Seems like one of those mom's who make up shit to make their kids look awesome. Oh lookie here 16 mo old Brayleene just cleaned her room and made her bed. All by herself! ugh.
Reminds me of my nieces psychotic dad, who would ask her who she liked between Clinton and Trump. If she didn't say Trump, he'd scream at her. Of course she was 6 at the time so...
xxHikari ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 20:28:38 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know why parents do that to their kids? How would you feel if you were used as some cringe "meme" by your presents to tout their political discourse? I know I'd feel kinda ashamed
xxHikari ยท 111 points ยท Posted at 20:24:07 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yeah? My toddler, Brent got home after a hard shift in the coal mines for 22 hours, walked through the door, did a line, then skulled a cold one with his paw. Proud of that boy! He's going places!
Well he obviously wants his kid to be a smart American and take out crushing student loan debt. Because all the money that kid can save before college may cover one semesters worth of text books.
emp1981 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:37:31 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No... she's not likely making this up. She's truly proud of her kid for repeating her anti-science, anti-vaccination ways. Did you totally miss the point of this because you are ALSO an anti-vaxxer? If a parent wants to neglect their kids and not vaccinate, that's all fine and dandy, but when they start pushing their unrealistic and idiotic views on MY children, we are going to be having some issues.
Wow! Calm down the crazy. I am a firm believer in vaccines. I really doubt an 11 year old really said all that to his friend. Sounds to me like she made the whole interaction between him and his friend seem a lot more than it was.
... Not quite enough to get him vaccinated though. Better dead than autistic though, am I right?
Edit: I feel as though I need to clarify at this point.
This was a joke that is implied to be from the point of view of the anti vaxer.
Many people who are against vaccinations (not necessarily this person) believe they cause autism and would rather risk their child getting horrible, life threatening illnesses than have to deal with an autistic child. That's the joke.
I myself do not believe that vaccines cause autism because I'm not batshit insane.
If I had a child, then I wouldn't want hypothetical child to be dead if they were autistic because I'm not a monster.
cyphrr ยท 3336 points ยท Posted at 16:36:00 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not necessarily. The ones who get sick easily are the kids who are never gt to build up an immune system. The ones who live in immaculately clean houses where everything is disinfected, who bathe and wash hands with anti-bacterial soap, and those that live in little bubbles their parents make to keep their kids away from germs, they are the ones who are fragile.
Kids get a strong immune system playing in dirt, having animals around, and not getting washed every time they get the tiniest bits of grime on them. However, even kids with a strong immune system aren't immune from diseases they have never encountered. That is why vaccinations are so important.
As a parent of an Autistic child (man now) I always find the anti-vaxxers to be selfish people who can't stand the thought of a flawed kid so much they would put their own children at risk for an early death from preventable diseases. I would much rather have my son as he is now than have him six feet in the ground.
Thank you for that. I wish I could take all the credit, but he is pretty determined and has worked hard to get a job and a bit more independence. I wouldn't trade him for the world.
cntu ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:30:39 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know that you're joking but that's not how simply vaccinations work, just in case someone else is looking.
By not being vaccinated you don't only risk getting the infection, disease or whatever yourself, but you risk infecting others that have not been vaccinated. When 95% of the population is vaccinated, they aren't only protecting themselves, but the other 5% as well because they are controlling the ability of the disease to spread.
All these anti-vaccination people don't realize this and they are going off "oh my children aren't vaccinated but they are healthy!" when in reality it's everyone else being vaccinated that is protecting their children.
cyphrr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:51:17 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I was joking, but you are 100% right.
God forbid that child goes to a foreign country and gets something that's easily vaccinated against. I wonder if said parent would be at all guilty for their choice.
kenda1l ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:29:44 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously. Hope they never want to go to any country that requires vaccinations.
List of recommended vax:
Hepatitis A
Hepatitis B
Typhoid and paratyphoid fever
Meningococcal disease
Yellow Fever
Rabies
Japanese Encephalitis
Yellow fever is actually required to travel to some parts of Africa, and the meningococcal vax is required in Saudi Arabia to participate in the pilgrimage to Mecca.
And this is all assuming that you are up to date on both your childhood and adult vaccinations, which these kids wouldn't be.
Seriously. I've rolled the dice and had them repeatedly vaccinated. As an unschooled untrained statistician, i presume they have like a 480% chance of it now.
DougFane ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 19:28:07 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's a very dangerous stance to take. I'm all for vaccinations, and I think anti-vaxxers are retarded, but you're literally suggesting we don't have the right to bodily autonomy. Nobody should be stabbing you with a needle without your consent.
mcq316 ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 19:35:08 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed. But to be included in society, that consent needs to be given. Is it California that won't let kids into schools without vaccinations or an exemption from a licensed medical doctor?
It's not about forcing the vaccinations. It's about prohibiting those who refuse to put the rest of us at risk. You won't be stabbed without your consent, but if you choose to go that route, of not vaccinating, you will be segregated from society in certain ways because the rest of us know that we're safer when we do consent.
kenda1l ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 20:41:56 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, California is like that. I had to start middle school late because my mom, who was in Colorado and had my records, forgot to send them.
I was honestly shocked to find out not all states require vaccinations for public school, because I just assumed they did, like mine does.
DougFane ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:38:38 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That I'm totally okay with, because as you said it's more a case of voluntary segregation. But it's absolutely their right to self segregate in that manner if they so choose.
The preschool I just enrolled my toddler in won't let kids attend if they don't have their shots, unless they have a real, legitimate reason for not getting them. Little Tommy is immunocompromised? He can come. Little Suzy's mom thinks the vaccines are scary? No preschool for her.
I hate getting my kids shots. I hate it so much, but I'd hate having to get them a tiny wheelchair or tiny coffin more, and if another kid got sick because of something I could help prevent, but didn't, I don't think I could forgive myself. I've got a very fussy baby right now, because he got 5 vaccines yesterday, but a few days of fussy grumpy baby is nothing compared to a lifetime of disability from a preventable virus.
True but I think we need civically-minded virtuous citizens making educated decisions that benefit society.
DougFane ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:09:07 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not arguing with you on that, but the comment I was replying to very strongly implied that they should not have the right to refuse vaccinations. That's what I had an issue with
Ah yes after your 20 minutes of research on the internet please tell me about how the vaccine side effects are worse the the life threatening disease they prevent.
Edit: I see that you are all experts in sarcasm but missed the fact that too was using sarcasm to continue the nice sarcasm streak we have going
kenda1l ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:49:06 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sadly, I had a conversation with someone actually in the health science field (peripherally, not directly) who is an anti-vaxxer. She kept going on about how the studies showing that vaccinations were helpful, and the ones showing no correlation between vax and autism were all badly done or done with money in mind, not health. But if course all the studies proving otherwise were impeccable. I never wanted to shake anyone harder and scream, "you're supposed to know better!"
Instead I just asked her if I could see her source material so I could determine how well the studies were done for myself. Surprise surprise, she hasn't ever gotten back to me about it.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:06:43 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't have kids. And I get vaccinated. Only vaccine I don't get anymore is the flu shot (I used to when I volunteered with old people because... duh)
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:55:32 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not just a problem in human medicine, either. I rarely see vaccine reactions. You know what I do see a lot of? Parvovirus.
I also see a lot of animals die from heart worms, because people don't want to give their pets HW prevention because "chemicals", even though we live in the south and heart worms are spread by mosquitoes. I see so, so many heart worm cases. Then it's my fault that you're now having to pay for a very expensive treatment that may or may not save their life. Yeah, you hate "chemicals", but now you're fine with me giving your pet "chemicals" in the form of heart worm treatment . Not all "chemicals" are bad. You know what IS bad? Heart worms, and those are natural. Viruses are natural. Diseases are natural, but that doesn't mean them good.
I have a dog who had Heart worms, and I had another recently passed away from old age that used to have heart worms. We have them their meds until the vets said they were good. You can worry about chemicals when there aren't worms on your dog's heart.
You can worry about chemicals when there aren't worms on your dog's heart. you have the knowledge and aptitude to know what you're talking about.
ftfy
There are reasons why people spend years in school for qualification, are required to have licenses, publish studies, provide proof in their research, etc. The reason isn't because they're eager to be proven wrong by some Internet-Science warrior with the mental dexterity equivalent to a potato. These are the people who get their information from improper sources or false authorities (who lack the proper knowledge and aptitude to know what they're talking about).
To discredit generations of research is to intentionally ignore facts for nobody's benefit. It's even more absurd and disingenuous to blatantly ignore the facts only until they prove to be useful.
I vaccinated his anus with my penetrating needle so hard that I smashed his pelvis and lower spinal column thus rendering his legs lame as if he contracted polio.
My 4 month old just got his round of shots yesterday. It's been a rough two days, and sometimes I really wish I didn't need to put him through these days of feeling like shit when he doesn't even understand why he feels so bad.
But I'd feel worse for him if he needed a tiny wheelchair or coffin because I didn't get him his shots. I'd rather a few days of grumpy fever baby than a lifetime of crippled or dead baby.
Did you do Tylenol pre-shots? It really helps with fussiness. Plan on dosing for 48 hours after next time along with some warm baths. Unfortunately, some babies just handle vaccinations poorly but, you are absolutely right! You are doing what is best for him!
We gave our older son Tylenol before every round of vaccines, but this one had his first cold a few days before this round of shots, and I didn't want to mask a fever if he was still running a low grade temp, so we skipped the Tylenol this time. He spits moist of the Tylenol out anyway, so I don't know that he actually gets any anyways...
Warm baths for him to kick his sore legs in have been so helpful, but at night all he wants to do is sleep pressed against me belly-to-belly with my boob in his mouth, when he usually sleeps great in his own bed. But I'm ok going a bit with minimal sleep if it means he gets better sleep +vaccines.
Always hated guitar hero. My buddy got rock smith to learn guitar, but, the game has some sort of built in curve so when I played it, it put the difficulty too high for him lol.
I don't know man, 100% of people who breath air, die. You don't want him to catch death, do you? seal that shit up!
[deleted] ยท 61 points ยท Posted at 19:41:46 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stop breathing oxygen! Big Oxygen doesn't want you to look at the studies but they do show 100% of oxygen breathers die at some point. Start breathing Carbon Dioxide now!
kaisong ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:02:59 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Carbon dioxide is a subsidiary of oxygen. They're making profits off that too. I just breathe pure helium.
Cin77 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:30:00 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah! I thought your voice was like that because your balls haven't dropped yet
When I was an argumentative teenager I'd always make this argument and it's true. Breathing kills you. Stupid argument, but true all the same. Death is inevitable. Life kills you.
Divionix ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:31:14 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This made me actually laugh out loud. Bravo, good sir!
If you do part two, make sure not to get Trivial Pursuit cards with a missprint
Psarae ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:35:15 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like your thinking! Iโm anti-aging now. Maybe ageist? Itโs pithier.
No more teenagers!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:40:11 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Vaccinate him so he gets autism
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:08:47 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
give ur a kid a foreign prostitude not sure which one is worse
kenda1l ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:18:59 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But I know someone whose kid got the Auts after being vaccinated!!!1!
Simple and sad truth is, the end of the standard round of vaccinations corresponds with when autism starts to become more obvious (a large amount of autistic kids aren't diagnosed until 4 or older). The kid already had autism, the parents just didn't notice yet.
Another fun fact: the reason autism appears to be on the rise is because of the way autism is now diagnosed. Whereas before, it was one disorder among many types of mental disabilities, many of those types (ex: Asperger's, Child Disintegrative Disorder) are now classified along a spectrum under the umbrella of autism. That, combined with more awareness of autism in general, makes it look like a big spike happened. But no, clearly it's the vaccinations, duh.
yeah you make a good point, there's also a much broader spectrum than there was just twenty years ago. It's becoming more and more evident that autism is fairly normal recessive trait that can range anywhere from severe to almost non-existent. Nobody on that spectrum, however, should feel like they are less human or somehow flawed in any way.
But this isn't the logic of contemporary antivaxxers. Almost all protest to other aspects of vaccination and almost no one makes arguments based on autism.
Nothing really causes cancer, it just increases your statistical likelihood of getting cancer. Lots of things increase your likelihood of cancer, including sunlight, alcohol, and tobacco. So it is possible that vaccines contribute to higher cancer rates, but this is impossible to study since you would have to follow children from the time they get vaccines until they either get cancer or die. The problem is, since so many things increase likelihood of cancer, you can't possibly control all the variables in the study.
Even if you could control all the variables and conduct a useful study that showed an increase in cancer rates among vaccinated study participants compared to non-vaccinated, the death rate from all cancer cases in the US is currently 171 per 100k cases; that's less that 2/10ths of a percent. Polio, on the other hand, has a death rate 5% in children and as much as 30% in adults. Smallpox also kills at a staggering rate of 20-30%
Therefore, even if anti-vaxxers could show a link between cancer rates and vaccines, it is a stupid reason to not get vaccinated.
You shouldn't be flabbergasted. Thimerosal was a mercury based additive used in vaccine preparation. To limit infants and children from mercury exposure (due to increase in number of vaccines being taken), the CDC and AAP basically told manufacturers to slowly stop using it. This was the initial spark of the reaction to vaccines. The link between autism and thimerosal was published in an actual study. It was about how the vaccine for measles/mumps/rubella was linked to children disorders like autism.That is where they are getting their assertion from.
What they don't realize is that the study was flawed. It was published in 1998, and we still can't replicate it or back it up, even though there have been subsequent studies. Correct Science requires the ability to reproduce results, and we can't reproduce the results of this study. 10 of the 12 people involved in the study backed out of its conclusions and later it was shown that the data was falsified purposefully. This is the study people are so reliantly citing when they say vaccines cause autism.
So no it is perfectly reasonable to understand why some people are mislead into thinking it causes autism. They were curious, googled a scientific study on it, and were shown an actual, yet terribly flawed study that they didn't know was flawed. The first step in getting anti-vaxxers to change their minds is to stop acting as if they are all idiots and show them exactly what has been misleading them this entire time, in full detail, while also being understanding of their concerns.
Most people say "but that study has been debunked dummy" and then expect someone to have a complete change in mind set. That won't work. Do the research with them. Show them that you are not there to look down on them, but to help them see the truth.
it is perfectly reasonable to understand why some people are mislead into thinking it causes autism
That's true, but it is also reasonable to expect adults to disregard information that was admittedly falsified. Anti-vaxxers go way beyond reasonableness and into a realm of almost religious fanaticism where they bitterly reject science and reason for no other purpose than to fight something at the expense of the future of our species.
The first step in getting anti-vaxxers to change their minds is to stop acting as if they are all idiots and show them exactly what has been misleading them this entire time.
You have a point there, but the fact that they are not willing to listen to their doctors and actually believe that their pediatricians are part of a conspiracy to inject children with autism-inducing poison, leads me to believe that they have little room for logic and reason in their lives.
I really understand where your coming from, and I'm a very compassionate person. However, I will not lower my standards for human reason and thought to accommodate such ridiculousness. I have no choice but to remain flabbergasted and hope that, eventually, the doctors and trained phsyicians can eventually get through to them.
It's not dumb or stupid to be ignorant of scientific data. However, it is dumb to ignore the advice of your doctor and risk the lives of thousands of children.
The craziest part, is it was ONE scientific study published stating vaccines could cause autism, which then was retracted (because the data interpretation was absurd) but the damage for public perception was done.
She only loves him if he makes her look good, but if he's one of those burdensome children that needs "love and support", he's better off dead, apparently.
Wow your insight is amazing. Can you do me a favour? Read your own comment like you're a stranger to yourself, and then post some more amazing insight about yourself! Or maybe you don't think you, you entire, can be picked apart by one comment, who knows.
Maybe half of your inane comment made sense. I was especially confused by this brain-vampire of a sentence:
Or maybe you don't think you, you entire, can be picked apart by one comment, who knows.
Who knows what? What's "my entire"? Why did you start a sentence with "or", when that would imply the part of the sentence after it is being compared to the part of the sentence before it?
Fuck your reading comprehension. You understand that? And it was never a rule not to start a sentence with or or and. How was your reading comprehension with that one? Did you think it was slightly funny it clever? Don't bother answering, I don't care.
Next time, follow the instruction. Stop getting your dick stuck in your mouth.
I'm getting a stem cell/bone marrow transplant in a couple weeks. Months after that, I'll need to get all my vaccinations redone. If you don't hear from me by March, I've probably succumbed to sudden onset super autism.
"I've seen people where they have a perfectly healthy child, and they go for the vaccinations, and a month later the child is no longer healthy. It happened to somebody that worked for me recently. I mean, they had this beautiful child, not a problem in the world. And all of a sudden, they go in, they get this monster shot. You ever see the size of it? It's like they're pumping in โ you know, it's terrible, the amount. And they pump this into this little body. And then all of the sudden, the child is different a month later. And I strongly believe that's it."
Robert F. Kennedy Jr., a proponent of a widely discredited theory that vaccines cause autism, said Tuesday that President-elect Donald Trump asked him to chair a new commission on vaccines.
logoster ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:41:51 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
technically, the american voters did in fact NOT vote for that, the electoral college did, and because the electoral college votes are all that matter in the end, we ended up with this shit
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:38:15 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's slowly becoming illegal, heard some countries in Europe started coming for not vaccinating
wait. do anti-vaxxers think vaccinations cause autism as in like give you immediate autism? or do they think that over vaccination (whatever that means) has lead to an increase in autism over time?
The first one. They believe some ingredients in vaccines directly cause autism. Their favourite example, thimerosal, isn't even used in childhood vaccines in the US anymore, yet the incidence of autism has increased since then.
Simple-I ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:29:57 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea this. The only reason we have had an increase in autism, which usually develops around the same time that most children get vaccinated is because we have a better understanding and ability to test the spectrum not because of some random "mercury" based preservative. My wife WAS an anti-vaxxer simply because of that stupid 2 star Netflix show but I shut that shit down quick with some CDC reports and studies... ps sorry for shit grammar I am stoopid
Honestly, I don't blame people for making the decision not to vaccinate; there's a lot of really bad information out there, and it plays on parents' fundamental fears. I wish people wouldn't fall for it, but I can't put much blame on a parent for never having learned proper research skills, or for trusting the wrong people.
The people who advocate, though? Fuck them. Especially if they have a large platform, and extra especially if they have medical or scientific training. If you're going to tell people not to take a potentially life-saving treatment, you have a responsibility to have your fucking ducks in a row.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:49:21 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed, that's why I went back and edited it to reflect my views on it as a couple of people seemed to be questioning the legitimacy of it. In hind sight you're right, not worth stirring up controversy and misinformation for the sake of a wee jokey joke.
rvalt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:33:22 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
IIRC he was also trying to sell his own vaccine, the autistic accusations were a way to discredit the competition.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:28:07 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He probably is Autistic already though
Rock23L ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:32:50 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't give your kids vaccines but please by all means let your kids keep eating fast food. It has enough preservatives and antibiotics to keep them healthy. ๐
nhjb1034 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:04:15 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Any day of the week man. FINALLY someone is talking my language in this subreddit
My sister thinks they cause autism but she also believes some essential oils will keep the autism away. She vaccinates her kid then puts oils on him for a week. The two crazies are kinda cancelling each other out, she's still vaccinating at least.
Peachy88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:57:14 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My son got vaccinated and you know what those awful vaccines did!?
He had a fever for 2 days, stayed home, ate some ice cream and watched cartoons with his daddy. It's awful, tell your friends, vaccines lead to ice cream and cartoons.
I can completely understand why people don't trust medical science considering the amount of bullshit that's spread today in just about every subject. These parents grew up attending DARE classes in school, how do you expect them to trust what they're told?
ultine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:09:02 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even worse is that Vaccines will make your hair turn gray, you'll get wrinkles, and you'll likely be taking even more medications later than you would be before you take the vaccines!
Aging is terrible guys. And vaccines are a leading cause in it.
I homeschool so I know a lot of anti-vaxxers, but none of the ones I know believe vaccines cause autism. I know that's how a lot of this started, but I don't know how popular this argument is anymore. Most I know are concerned about "toxins" and "destroying the body's natural immune system."
xbruja ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:28:08 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not only that but she's lying. Nowhere in the U.S can your child go to school without vaccinations. I'm not one to preach who should breed and who shouldn't but I sure as hell hope she doesn't have anymore children.
B52CREW ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:08:27 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. Dr will be lying when he tells the parents Polio isn't that big a deal.
sirixamo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:35:04 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I myself do not believe that vaccines cause autism because I'm not batshit insane.
Do we need to quantify it like this? Do we say "I myself believe that gravity exists" or "I myself believe that my eyes are real"? Vaccines don't cause autism. Period.
Woah.... would the autism vaccine simultaneously cause and cure autism??? Leaving the patient forever left in a vaccinated paradox world where nothing makes sense, yet everything is perfectly clear?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:46:28 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can help with this: I may have wound up being one were it not for surgical intervention.
Right now there is a generation of women in the US who are young enough to not yet have settled down when HPV rates started getting really bad, but were already too old when the Gardasil vaccine came out.
A majority of people contract HPV at some point these days. Most people's bodies clear it. Some dont, and there are several strains that will give you cancer if not caught and treated in time.
I'm married now and was never particularly "wild," but I was diagnosed with essentially stage 0 cancer (CIN III) two years ago. Went from normal pap test to "we can't rule out cancer" in 13 months.
If I had been able to get the Gardasil vaccine, none of this would have happened. The cutoff for the vaccine was age 26, though, and by then I had probably already been exposed.
With very few exceptions, you cannot get cervical cancer without HPV. The Gardasil vaccine prevents the HPV strains that cause cancer. Ergo, the vast majority of women who are dying of cervical cancer right now are dying because they were not vaccinated.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:57:44 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Happy to hear you are OK, yes I would say this is a critical vaccine.
My mistake 100%, I somehow assumed the person meant vaccines to be given to babies. I think the age for this vaccine is 9 in girls? I would hope all get this one.
No worries, a lot of people don't think about this since its a lot newer than polio, measles etc. and (typically) doesn't affect children. But definitely make sure your children get Gardasil!
My daughter is getting it as soon as she is old enough, and it infuriates me that parents are turning it down as a show of certainty that their children will remain abstinent.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:06 on September 2, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For sure.
That said, is there some place I can go online to see confirmed proof of deaths in US children due to not being vaccinated with the vaccines which are a major component of this larger conversation? ( MMR polio etc )
My tough spot is everyone I encounter against vaccines says there's no data to support this claim of deaths in US children, and I must say google is not my friend in this regard ( or I just don't know what to look for )
I have two boys with autism.
Both are intelligent, articulate and easy going boys who do well at school.
My eldest plays team sports and is a popular, well mannered boy who comes top of his class and has been flagged as gifted by the national educational board.
The youngest has a sky high IQ and writes book length stories for fun, as well as having mathematical skills years ahead of his age and an amazing sense of humour
Compared to my autistic boys you're the one who seems retarded...
Also, when this next generation of unvaccinated folk succumb to smallpox, the average intelligence of our population will skyrocket, making things better for us all.
I'll always remember these brave anti-vaxers' sacrifice.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:27:36 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
a joke that is implied to be from the point of view of
its funny how much of this sociopolitical bickering is just that...
"some terrible thing that was said"
-the other side, probably
Well if it helps bro autism isn't anything really. It is a retarded sociologist defined "spectrum". Spend a day with a Ph.D. Sociologist and you'll realize they're all quacks.
If you're depressed that's one thing. But don't let an artificial diagnosis defined by pseudoscience be the reason for or contribute to your feelings.
Today I learned that it would be better if I were dead and that my parents should have tossed me out and let me starve so they could start over to get a normal kid. Huh, cool.
Nah, you wouldn't be better off. I apologize if my comment was misleading. EVERYBODY ELSE specifically your parents would be better off. I didn't even give a thought about the kid (you) in this situation.
Well, considering that I wasn't diagnosed until college, I'd say my parents were pretty happy with who I was as a child. See, I agreed with you back when I was suicidal, and they were sure to let me know that they wouldn't have their lives any other way. So I'm pretty sure of that little tidbit.
Unless they're you, you mean? I'm curious as to what you think of all of the inventions, discoveries, and other contributions made by autistic people. Do you use a Mac or a PC? Pretty much anything from Silicon Valley? A fan of ghostbusters or Tim Burton's movies? Do you like music the way it is? Because it wouldn't have been here without Mozart. A fan of Tesla? A fan of Einstein? I just don't understand how you think the world and society as a whole would be better off without autistic individuals.
Well, I'm not your parents, so I don't have to lie to you.
I'm curious as to what you think of all of the inventions, discoveries, and other contributions made by autistic people. Do you use a Mac or a PC? Pretty much anything from Silicon Valley? A fan of ghostbusters or Tim Burton's movies? Do you like music the way it is? Because it wouldn't have been here without Mozart. A fan of Tesla? A fan of Einstein? I just don't understand how you think the world and society as a whole would be better off without autistic individuals.
So now you're comparing yourself to people of actual value, come on now. You did a good job of proving your autism by posting these long replies to someone being a dick. And you really threw in Tim Burton? I didn't even know he had autism, but that would explain why he's such a terrible fucking director
So now you are getting my words twisted in your lil autistic brain.
It's an opportunity cost problem.
Do I go forward with this autistic kid who could turn out to be a shitty director like Tim Burton? Possibly "ruining" any semblance of my life and goals in favor of raising this lil autistic baby.
Or do I just chuck it in the garbage disposal and start fresh? Possibly might even turn out worse than having an autistic kid, but also has a better possibility of turning out better!
Can you not think of any reason at all why a parent would want to abort their kid?
Edit: Also, I know this makes me look a lil autistic, but it's really fucking dumb to say "do you use a MAC or PC?" Macs are PCs...
The thing is that autism usually isn't diagnosed until a few years into the child's life at the earliest. I'm pro-choice, so it's a bit presumptuous of you to assume that I don't understand the reasoning behind abortion. I'm in favor of abortion for cases in which it's obvious that the child will never lead a normal life early in the pregnancy. But autism isn't detectable in the womb, and many autistic people grow up to lead perfectly normal lives. By the time the child is diagnosed, the parents are attached. If no parent ever found value in raising a child with autism, why do so many do so regardless?
It's fairly obvious you have no idea what you're talking about. Either that or you're being intentionally ignorant of the realities of what autism is. If you really want people to start killing their 3-year-olds, you're going to have to do a better job of being acquainted with the facts. Otherwise nobody's ever going to listen to you and you have to keep being uncomfortable around people who are slightly different than you.
Edit: I usually find it easy to ignore trolls and idiots, but every single post is a new level of ignorance and hatred above the last. It's fascinating.
Edit: I usually find it easy to ignore trolls and idiots, but every single post is a new level of ignorance and hatred above the last. It's fascinating.
Are you talking about yourself? You're taking a troll seriously even though you know I'm a troll... what do you expect to accomplish here? Oooooh yeah, the autism thing.
No, that earlier comment wasn't true. I'm talking to you because I'm still suicidal. I come very close very frequently. Talking to you is like listening to my constant self-abuse. At this point it's just a reaction. Deep down I know you're right about everything. I want to end it so fucking bad but my parents do love me. I can't do that to them. But you're right. I am a worthless piece of shit who should never have been born. So we really haven't gotten anywhere since I agreed with you the whole time. It's just like I think that if I can get you to say "well, okay, haha, I was just kidding" all of my problems will go away, but nope. The only way to make that happen is to actually go through with killing myself. So you can go and tell your friends that you triumphed over the stupid autistic guy and made him want to kill himself even more. Whatever. If it makes you happy at least that's something I can do right.
While I get that, you should know this whole time, that I have been joking. And I just admitted that in the last few comment. Plus, I quite obviously pointed out to you that I was talking about from a parents perspective with a child, not someone like you who is an adult and is clearly functional. Do I really think Tim Burton should kill himself because he's a shitty director in my opinion? No. Do I think you should kill yourself just because you claim your autistic? Come on man, it's just internet shit talk
Unless you're baiting me into feeling empathy/sympathy/regret then congrats I did think for several seconds shit what if this guy kills himself. No one REALLY wants that, man.
No, I just really don't like arguing with people and wanted to tell the truth so we could stop. I didn't know you were joking, since I'm really bad at picking up sarcasm. I just reacted so strongly because this is all shit that I tell myself constantly and it was just like trying to tell myself not to believe myself. I'm not going to kill myself, unfortunately. I can't, I have plenty of people in my life who would be devastated, so no need to worry about that. Sorry I've wasted your time.
Hey man didn't you hear they approved MDMA for treating PTSD? Microdosing under supervision of a therapist is totally the same as dropping five points and grinding the top half of my teeth off every weekend. I'm basically just eating a lot of kale.
Didn't you hear though? They cut down trees for mdma and it's bad for the environment. Just do meth it's pretty much the same but it lasts longer and makes you completely narcissistic and pleasure seeking so you'll forget all about vaccinations and possible children you have while you're going down the rabbit hole repeating unnecessary tasks while masturbating. Self love though, amiright
Eats vegan. Parties for two weeks at burning man. Balance ๐
Gshep1 ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 18:26:56 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds about right. This kid at work always feels like shit and has no idea why, but I see him knock back 3 bags of candy, a couple sodas, and various other junk before lunch.
Vaztes ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 18:49:28 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why do I "munches on chips" always seem to be so tired? I just "sips coca cola" don't know how that burps is possible.
I mean I constantly brag about only getting 5-6 hours a sleep and exercise? ahah, what's that. i-it's a mysterty im tellin' you.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:31:17 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like most anti-vax idiots think that the fact that they put small amounts of the virus into their child means that vaccines are slowly killing your child. Obviously these people have never had any sort of medical training, much less gone to medical school.
"I've seen people where they have a perfectly healthy child, and they go for the vaccinations, and a month later the child is no longer healthy. It happened to somebody that worked for me recently. I mean, they had this beautiful child, not a problem in the world. And all of a sudden, they go in, they get this monster shot. You ever see the size of it? It's like they're pumping in โ you know, it's terrible, the amount. And they pump this into this little body. And then all of the sudden, the child is different a month later. And I strongly believe that's it."
Robert F. Kennedy Jr., a proponent of a widely discredited theory that vaccines cause autism, said Tuesday that President-elect Donald Trump asked him to chair a new commission on vaccines.
Really extreme people on the left and right have more in common with each other than they do with center-left and center-right. Unfortunately, it seems that the Right is falling further into the extreme side. The Democratic Party is centrist at best.
I seriously doubt an 11 year old could even say the names of half the ingredients while reading them off a list, let alone from memory.
squamesh ยท 1126 points ยท Posted at 15:22:02 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My girlfriend's step brother is nine and her step mom is a crazy person (she's a sweet lady but she believes just about every conspiracy theory, is involved with half a dozen MLMs despite being poor, believes in homeopathy/crystals/magic healing...).
We were having lunch one day and my girlfriends dad mentioned that he's on a health kick. Unprovoked, the nine year old said, "speaking of health, don't get vaccines. Just don't get them! They have mercury and lots of toxins that will make you sick!"
It's crazy what kids will pick up from their parents, and it's really sad when what they're picking up is misguided, dangerous nonsense.
Meloetta ยท 338 points ยท Posted at 16:07:51 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even if it's good, it's used for evil in the hands of not-fully-developed children
I flushed all the aspirin and over the counter medication after DARE taught me that drugs are bad
I started crying once when my mom started drinking a cherry limeade in the car, because I thought she was going to be arrested for drinking and driving.
Brilliant. It's easy to forget how literally kids take things. Like that "keep your eye on the ball" video that was meme'ing recently, where the kid puts his face on the tee ball.
One time when I was little (maybe 3 or 4?) my mom came home and started talking about how she "killed two birds with one stone" and I started sobbing because I thought she straight up murdered 2 birds with a fucking rock
I recently sent my 5 year old daughter into time out by telling her "go put your nose in the corner." Two minutes later and she's bawling her eyes out because her cheeks are getting stuck on the walls and she can't actually touch her nose to the corner. She thought she was going to get in more trouble for not listening and she was literally hurting herself by pressing her face into the wall so hard.
squamesh ยท 137 points ยท Posted at 17:38:11 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My girlfriend and I are actually fairly concerned about what would happen in a situation like that. Her stepmom clearly doesn't trust medicine so it would be an uphill battle to get the kids proper treatment.
Plus, some of the shit she believes in seems downright dangerous. My girlfriend has stomach issues, so her stepmom tried to get her to take this supplement that is supposed to heal your stomach. Before she tried it, though, my gf wanted me to look at it since I'm the only one with a science/medical background.
It was literally just coal extract dissolved in water. She wanted my girlfriend to drink coal. I'm not a doctor yet, but that seems like a really bad idea. So I started looking into the product. I mostly found blogs about people pointing out how crazy it is that the active ingredient is fucking coal. But I found one scientific article that supported the claims on the bottle (basically repeating them word for word).
So I looked into this article. It was funded by the company that makes the product (surprise surprise). Then I looked into the journal. I couldn't find it listed as any of the top 150 nutrition journals, and there was no impact factor to be found. It did, however, have a name that was very similar (but legally distinct I'd imagine) to the top nutrition journal.
So basically, some company used a phony journal to publish a phony study supporting the phony claims they put on their phony product, advertised it heavily on Facebook, and convinced gullible people to drink coal.
It... might be ok? I know activated charcoal is a thing (it makes you throw up though). I would stay away form it though b/c it sounds like the best case scenario is that you'd be violently ill.
I took some homeopathic drops from someone once because I thought "what's the worst that can happen, it doesn't even have the active ingredient?" and I got really sick. I stay away form that shit now. I only take medications and supplements after running them past my doctor.
BTW my step mom has also been pushing a bullshit supplement lately. She asked me to deliver a bottle of it to my mom, which I did, but I doubt anyone's going to use it.
squamesh ยท 65 points ยท Posted at 17:45:53 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I had to guess, I'd say that the product makes you shit your pants. That way they can spin some bullshit about how your body is releasing toxins. My concern is that coal is a known carcinogen, so drinking it can't be good
Z0di ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:07:51 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've heard of charcoal being pumped through to the stomach to induce vomiting
PonKatt ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 18:41:01 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Coal and charcoal are widely different things. Charcoal is made from burned wood. Coal is a fossil fuel. It's like saying drinking bleach is fine because it's the same color as water and is also used to clean things.
Z0di ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:02:16 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I specified charcoal, I didn't say coal.
PonKatt ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 19:11:17 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. But bringing it up when the other person has mentioned that it was coal that was being drunk meant to me that you where assuming the two are close. I was just seeking to clarify that they are in no way related beyond the surface most characteristics.
Nah, my water filter uses a charcoal filter to remove TOXINS. So when I eat it, it allows my body's natural filtering processes to work at 100%. (It normally only works at 50% because of gluten and TOXINS.)/s
That's actually kind of correct, activated charcoal is used medically to bind toxins to in some cases. It just won't do anything for you unless you're also drinking poison.
Korhaka ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:10:25 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The charcoal goes to your liver and allow it to remove toxins like your filter does!
activated charcoal is fairly common, and harmless.
All the over-the-counter stuff is like 1% the dosage of medical grade charcoal designed to absorb poisons in the digestive tract, so its arguable if it even does anything.
It is supposed to 'absorb' crap. The bottles usually warn to not take any important medications/ supplements within 2 hours of taking the charcoal. That's a +1 in credibility, since it's actually a potential negative they are listing.
Not sure if it does much. I used to take it to reduce intestinal gas. Was a mighty fine placebo at the very least.
In the US, "supplements" like vitamins, homeopathic medicine, and the like aren't regulated by the FDA. All you have to do is slap a, "This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, or cure anything at all, actually," disclaimer in small writing somewhere on the packaging, and you can sell dog shit as a health supplement.
What this also means is that unless someone has reason to notify the FDA about side effects and try to get the FDA to investigate, anything could be in your supplement. Coal? Too expensive. Save money by collecting dirt from your yard. Close enough. Literal dog shit in that dirt? Beneficial bacteria! Two supplements in one. Charge more! Unlike actual medicine which has to be proven effective and relatively safe before the FDA will approve it (a process that takes years, if not over a decade), the FDA does not protect consumers from snake oil. Unless that snake oil kills or otherwise causes significant side effects in a good many people. They only act after the fact.
Most of them just don't work at all. Or they upcharge you for stuff you can't use anyway. You could take 1 500mg calcium supplement 3 times a day, but for a few dollars more, you could have the convenience of of 1500mg once a day. Except your body can't absorb more than 500mg of calcium at a time.
It's not quite that easy, there is a list of ingredients grandfathered in and a new ingredient needs to be tested. The problem is that no one checks. I used to work in regulations :)
Most supplements claiming they have science to back them up say that a study has validated their active ingredient. But there is more than 1 ingredient in their supplement, and they may be used in manners which make them unsafe or ineffective. The active ingredient that survives testing isn't the finished product. With actual medicine, the finished product has to tested.
At least that's how I understand it. Is that about right? I'm really interested in this subject, because my life revolves around my medications right now. (Type 1 diabetes and leukemia! Yay, me!) And people are starting to try to convince me to try different products or ingredients that aren't regulated by the FDA because their facebook acquaintance's cousin's best friend's boyfriend had bone cancer once and bananas saved his life.
There is something called a "dietary ingredient" which needs to be grandfathered in, meaning it was used before the law passed (I forget the year and I have class soon, I'm sorry, I can find out later for you). There are a few books that list acceptable ingredients but none of them are official. The rest is the "other ingredient" list and those substances should be Generally Recognized As Safe (GRAS) but, again, it's kinda vague. You basically can do it until FDA tries to shut you down. If you want to use a new "dietary ingredient" you are supposed to prove it's safe, but it's not really enforced often. They are regulated as a type of FOOD, not as a drug. Drugs must be proven to be Generally Recognized as Safe and Effective (GRASE) and needs to follow a "recipe" called a monograph. OTC drugs are regulated tightly, so they are almost always safe.
I really would not take anything unless your doctor recommends it. Unsafe supplements are a huge problem in the US.
Activated charcoal isn't SUPPOSED to make you throw up. It's just an unfortunate side effect that seems to happen somewhat frequently.
It's not unheard of to use activated charcoal for some GI issues. I don't know how effective it is, really, but I've seen it used frequently. Especially in Eastern Europe, for some reason.
Are you familiar with the new epi-pen generic? Mine expires...today... so I'm picking up a new one soon and I want the generic version but I also want it to work. I'm very lucky to have never needed one, the ambulance always got to me before that point. But I had a new reaction recently so you know, anything is possible.
I feel for you. My really bad reactions were drug reactions so obviously I'm never taking those drugs again, but no one is going to sneak antibiotics into my food so it's easy to avoid. But I just learned that I'm also allergic to sheep's milk (?) and I'm worried I might develop the same bad food allergies my cousin has. Food allergies are terrifying because it's hard to know what's in food you didn't prepare. I've also been rushed to the hospital when we never found out which allergy was triggered, so let's just say I'm carrying around 100mg benadryl, an asthma inhaler, and 2 epi-pens just to be safe.
Oh, you have the antibiotic thing too? I have surgery in the morning and I've been through hell trying to find an antibiotic that wouldn't kill me. I have shellfish allergy which is the only food thing, but I feel your pain! (Do you ever get people acting like you have these allergies on purpose or something? Wtf with that?)
I have had an allergic reaction to every oral antibiotic I've taken! I did some blood tests that didn't show reactions but the doc admitted that it's not conclusive. So now my options are "take this with a huge amount of benadryl and hope for the best" and "don't get sick."
No one has quite done that for me, I'm sorry that happened to you. I've seen it a lot with my cousin. He's allergic to dairy and has to ask if everything is cooked with butter and you can tell the waiter is rolling his eyes. It's a serious, life threatening allergy though! It doesn't help that a lot of people claim to be allergic to foods they just dislike.
My doctors seem to be the worst. I can take ONE oral antibiotic for MAYBE three days, even with Benadryl. Like I WANT to be admitted every time I need antibiotics.
Before the doctors gave up on oral antibiotics, I got my prescriptions with the instructions. "Take one in the ER and wait for one hour" sigh.
I manage, but thanks. Misery loves company, or so they say. It's just nice to meet someone with the same problem. You take care and "DON'T GET SICK! Lol.
I hear 2% of the population has the problem. I live in a large city and no one believes me, let alone knows anyone else! Maybe we need a club, secret handshake....pillow fort....
Was it the kind with the pink dye? I know that's an issue for a lot of people. They do make a dye free version that might be better for you, just in case.
It was and I use dye free now, but I've had things happen where it's been pink dye or nothing, not had a problem. I have a TON of antibiotic and medication based allergies but I also sometimes just have horrible allergies for no oblivious reason. I've had auto immune workups every couple years, tested for urticaria, you name it...it is baffling.
Activated charcoal can be used in patients that arrive to the ER with alcohol poisoning and probably other poisoning too. Not sure it should be used so casually for stomach problems.
Source: I was a medical scribe in an ER and saw multiple cases of alcohol poisoning and had to document the treatments.
Ah, yeah, I didn't mean to imply it's a good idea. I just figured that it might not kill you? It would probably make you feel very sick though. 0/10 do no recommend.
I just know that charcoal tablet help to not shit your intestines out. They bind poison so they can't get in your system. Comes in handy when your dog ate poison and the next doc is far away.
I've had multiple overdoses on medications (suicide attempts) and was fed activated charcoal more times than I can count. I always thought it stopped the effects of the meds I took, but the last time I drank it the nurse told me it was just suppose to make me throw up all the meds.
Fucking nasty ass shit though, every time I think about the taste I literally gag.
Aegi ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:25:55 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The decision for your and your girlfriends kids are between the two of you, and not her mother.
squamesh ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:35:44 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I guess I phrased this weirdly. We're worried about the stepmother's children. My girlfriends step siblings
HugoTRB ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:42:56 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An uphill battle? How does your girlfriend's stepmom have any say in the matter of how you treat your own kids? Tell her to get lost. You gonna call her fucking stepmom for permission every time you take them to a doctor's appointment?
squamesh ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:34:51 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The stepmom is the mother of the step-brother
Gabrovi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:11:54 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Am doctor. It's not a hoax. Activated charcoal is a real thing used in medicine. When my oldest was born and a little colicky, an Indian friend of mine gave us something called Gripe Water. Very similar and worked well.
I'm not saying that whatever your GF is about to take will cure her, but it probably won't hurt her either.
squamesh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:53:19 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This wasn't activated charcoal though. It was coal. And you weren't supposed to drink it once, you were supposed to drink a lot of it daily. I would think that would up the risk factor
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:20:56 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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squamesh ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:24:15 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's really sad is when I'm immunocompromised and that kid gives me the measles. What's really, really said is when enough people get the measles that it has the opportunity to mutate and the vaccine is no longer effective and then everybody gets the measles.
is involved with half a dozen MLMs despite being poor
Honestly, it's no huge surprise that she's involved with Maoists if she's poor. I mean, if you are at the bottom of the heap financially speaking then why wouldn't you advocate the overthrow of the system in order to abolish capitalism in a protracted people's war? It makes a lot of sense.
Whelks ยท 85 points ยท Posted at 17:52:25 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
MLM means multi level marketing aka pyramid scheme. Where did you get maoism from?
Yes. They did mean MLM. It also stands for multi-level marketing
That's not what Freudian slip means:
[An] error in speech... that is interpreted as occurring due to the interference of an unconscious subdued wish or internal train of thought (Wikipedia)
3. There is no indication that the original comments author had any unconscious thoughts about Maoism
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:37:21 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are confident in your psychological terminology when you really shouldn't even be confident in your reading comprehension.
Feigned misunderstanding isn't a Freudian slip. A genuine misunderstanding isn't a Freudian slip.
A Freudian slip would be talking about not being interested in incest because "It would be too much brother... errrr, I mean, bother!"
Go read that definition I gave you again but this time around don't read it as if you are looking for how it confirms that what you think is correct but instead read it for what it says.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:51:31 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow! What a clever nitpick-cum-strawman. I never claimed anything close to "a Freudian slip can only be one single word".
Yet again, your reading comprehension fails you miserably.
The article you linked literally said "speech" as well as other things like memory.
Yes. You read the same thing as I did. Let's put a little smiley face next to your name so you get some positive reinforcement for doing a good job of reading something and correctly making sense out of it.
A normal person couldn't make such a stupid mistake
These words are going to haunt you.
...unless they subconsciously care more about communism than the average westerner.
Nowhere did some secret, suppressed sympathy for Maoism unintentionally spring up to the surface when I wrote that comment - I was quite clearly and intentionally discussing it.
The joke was that MLM is an initialism which stands for both multi-level marketing and Marxism-Leninism-Maoism and the "misunderstanding" of MLM to mean the latter when most commonly people would expect it to mean the former.
Dude, just admit you're wrong and move on.
Yeah, this these words are going to haunt you too buddy.
Edit: Go and copy-paste the exchange somewhere else on reddit like /r/nostupidquestions and ask people if there is Freudian slip. You might learn something, maybe even a bit of some desperately-needed humility...
It's one thing to be wrong. It's another to try to fight it. Fighting to prove you're right when you are clearly wrong is how you end up on r/iamverysmart
"The essential difference between Maoism and other forms ofย Marxismย is that Mao claimed that peasants should be the essential revolutionary class in China, because, contrary to their industrial working "comrades", they were more suited to establishing a successful revolution and socialist society in China."
Tijuano ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:52:39 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What the Good Chairman said and what he did are sadly, very very different. While Mao and the Central Committee went around posturing about how the peasantry (the single largest social stratum in China at the time) would rise up and take the means of power, he and his fellow military oligarchs had decidedly different plans. From 1949 to 1955, Mao's rule became ever more a military junta, culminating with their attempt to exclude the Soviet Union from the '55 Bandung Conference in an effort to replace the USSR as the dominant political force in the African and Arab third-worlds.
Essentially, like every major Communist government, it devolved very quickly from a "utopian" worker's paradise to a military-industrial oligarchy where the working class became even more oppressed than ever before.
I'd recommend reading "The Government and Politics of the People's Republic of China" by Derek Waller or "Politics in the Communist World" by Leslie Holmes. They're a bit dated (1981 and 1986 respectively) but they are both excellent reads for anyone interested in a factual account of the rise and continuous fall of Communism in the modern world.
A Maoist would be someone who believes in the the original theories though, right?
Tijuano ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:27:31 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not necessarily. Maoism, like most post-Leninist Communist ideologies, is tainted by the establishment of some sort of oligarchal central office, generally a Committee or some such, which inevitably leads to an even greater division of classes. Because of this, Maoism is inherently different to the pre-October Revolution Marxist-Leninist socialism that is generally agreed to be the last "truly Communist" ideology put into practice. Maoism inevitably leads to a class struggle, which is both decidedly un-socialist and un-Communist.
Basically, the "original" Maoism is still corrupted by the establishment of a central government that puts the reigns of power squarely in its own hands and not those of the people as socialism strives towards.
Strong central government + popular control of power = socialism
Strong central government + central control of power = Stalinist tyranny.
If you aren't ona communist, anarchist, or socialist forum, you're gonna get a lot of bullshit.
OK6502 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:12:24 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it's crazy
No, that's how it's supposed to work. Kids look up to their parents and until a certain age take what they have to say for granted. The problem is these kids might have lousy parents and their parents take advantage of their naivete
Yep, just like how I used to spout my parents homophobia when I was 11 because I didn't know any better. "It's just really unnatural, you know? How do they even fit together?"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:36:16 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, I feel that it's good. Generations ago, you'd still have your parents opinions when you grew up. Nowadays we've got education, and everyone is exposed to so many people, cultures, languages, etc that you really can't help but become more open to different people and experiences and lifestyles.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:02:54 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They didn't actively push...it just rubs off. You'd be surprised how much of any child's upbringing/opinions are just casual off-hand remarks. Things like "ew" or "ugh" when they see something they defined as 'gay'.
p.s. they're better now. I think they've met some real-life gay people. Also my dad's cousin came out, so that helped.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:02:14 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, they had to tell her something to explain why she/he isn't allowed to attend public school with her friends.
Yeah, it's actually somewhat believable insofar as if you really drill something into your kids they're likely to blindly repeat it up to a certain age. I can see getting at least "mercury" right, although I do doubt the ticks off list of ingredients and their harmful side effects. I feel like "dude, don't get vaccines they'll kill you!" is a much more likely statement.
Teeratom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:17:02 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was about 6-7 when there was a solar eclipse where I live, on the news they said not to stare at the sun or go out unprotected, I took that as if my mom goes to work tomorrow she will lose her eyesight. They couldn't calm me down for hours
Nothing if you're only wearing them because you like how they look. If you expect them to act as some sort of magic BS it's a huge red flag for a normal person.
So all those people believing that there is a blessed man in the sky are just as crazy as we are right? Since we believe in vibrations of the universe? It's not even that we discount the value of medicine (usually)! Just believe you can feel more comfortable or emotionally balanced around a certain natural force. That's not crazy. It is a different form of faith. Stop generalizing
That's all well and good, but when you have irresponsible people like this who are encouraging people to use crystals to "heal" cancer, then it becomes dangerous.
So if being around your dog makes you feel safe but you own a chihuahua who can't hurt anyone, that is deluded?
I just feel comfortable around natural made objects, like plants and minerals
Edit: if you don't want to read the wall just read the last paragraph.
Um, yes? It would be a false sense of security. All the times nothing happens it doesn't matter, but if you're hiding behind your chihuahua when someone is breaking in, expecting it to realistically do something about it, you're worsening your chances of coming out of it ok.
Now use than analogy with mental health. If someone is clinically depressed, but they are surrounded by people telling them to rub smooth rocks to feel better, they may not seek any sort of meaningful treatement.
Let's use the analogy for physical medicine. If someone is stricken with cancer, and decides praying or rubbing stones does anything, they are worsening their chances of beating it.
So if you just like the idea and it makes you feel better, you do you. But it's shitty perpetuating the idea that they will do anything meaningful in an objective setting.
As a side note, I'm sorry for being an asshole about it. You're allowed to do anything that makes you happy without feeling the need to justify it to anyone, I'm just saying you should keep it in perspective and factor in the effect you may have on others.
Youre not an asshole! It is a 'make me happy' sort of thing. I think people are misunderstanding me. It's relating that happiness meaning to a higher power which is a certain belief that people question. I like your response is my point(:
Damn, sorry for going in on you like that. I jump to the worst conclusions about certain things lol
squamesh ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:27:21 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Crystals are visually cool, and studying the crystal structure of certain compounds can reveal information about their physical properties. They can't, however, heal people magically or absorb evil energy
Some places in the US allow children to attend school without vaccines if the parents claim religious exemption. It's difficult to draw the line in the US because of the extremely heavy (and necessary) religious freedom slant and laws requiring that education be made available to everyone at a certain age.
This is a country that allows parents to let their children die in the name of religious freedom. Christian Scientist? You don't have to take your kid to the doctor for any illness or preventative treatment ever. Unless a couple of your kids die. The first one is free though; you likely won't face prosecution for it. You can also tell doctors that they cannot provide lifesaving blood transfusions to your child because you are a Jehova's Witness. Your kid could be 2 months old and not able to be a Jehova's Witness, but the parents' religious freedom counts more than the child's life (which is really weird considering all the "right to life" bullshit that Christians use to oppose abortion).
sewsnap ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 16:17:31 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Especially when the parent pretty much grinds it into their brains over and over. Meeting a few avid anti-vaccers, they're intense. It's not too surprising that that one thoroughly brainwashed her child.
My cousin's the kind of person who spends too much time on Facebook sharing links from the guardian... Her 3 year old lad used to stop playing randomly and say "I like pink" or "Boys can like pink too!", "Boys can wear skirts", and stuff like that. He'd clearly been taught to say it and he doesn't actually like pink, either, he loves green (all the clothes and toys he chooses himself are green). But two years later he still just randomly says it.
It's really weird to hear sentences like that come from a young kid.
Do you think it's a case of she's trying to be supportive in case he likes pinks and has just overdone it? Or do you think she's trying to be a special snowflake because her boy likes pink, damn it, and she's still going to love him?
As an aside, my grandfather was a Texan who was possessed by the ghost of John Wayne. Super tough guy, no nonsense, only talked when something needed to be said, legitimate Stetson cowboy hats, even had several pairs of "dress" cowboy boots. He embodied the type of masculinity John Wayne performed. My biological father wasn't a "sissy," so he wouldn't wear pink and made fun of men who did. And then he saw my grandfather wearing a pink Western-style shirt with mother-of-pearl buttons. Pink was not a color for sissies after that.
I mean, I think it's okay to make your kid aware of stuff like that, but not to push it so hard and repeatedly that they randomly bring it up with no prompting whatsoever, for years.
That's my thought exactly. It was one of his first sentences, and it was obvious that it wasn't even true. There's nothing wrong with it, it's not malicious or anything, it's just real odd...
I mean, I can only imagine she would repeat those sentences to him a lot to get him to learn them before he could even ask for food ...
Yeah... that's insane. You shouldn't be talking to a BABY about social issues like that. They don't have the knowledge and intelligence to comprehend the meaning or importance of any of it. It's actually really, really fucking stupid of her to do that and think he would understand it at all. smh
Brother in law and sister in law are anti-vaxxers with two kids. Caused a HUGE fight between us when we had our daughter and I had commented something on social media about my newborn and idiots that spread measles.....etc. Was not good-it's been nearly three years and it is still awkward. They kind of talk to us now? Super bizarre interactions. Ugh.
You shouldnt be sorry. Be glad you found out. Im assuming the kids would comingle at parties and shit? These assholes put your kids in danger because they are morons.
Little babes don't get the measles vaccination until they are quite older-I think around one (?? I can't remember the age, it's all a blur). So up until that point they are vulnerable to catch the disease from someone else that is not vaccinated and has contracted it themselves. There is literally no protection for a baby that is waiting to be old enough to get the vaccine.
Newborns can be exposed to pertussis (aka whooping cough) from unvaccinated kids. Babies are recommended to start getting the Dtap at 2 months but they don't get full protection for a while (not a doctor, but I think it's not until the 15-18 month shot).
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/hcp/vis/vis-statements/dtap.html
Plus babies can be exposed to the flu if visitors didn't get their flu shot.
So there are a lot of parents with antivaxxer families that won't let unvaccinated children or adults be around their child until they are 15 months and get the MMR and Dtap.
Ugh. The anti-vaxxers and parties things just reminded me of something. Some of them have "pox parties" where if one of their kids gets chicken pox, they'll have that kid come play with their kids to expose them. Even read about someone either mailing or asking to be mailed scabs from a kid's chicken pox so that others could be exposed (the parents of both kids wanted this to happen, not like they were trying to chicken pox bomb someone unsuspecting).
They seem to understand that exposure to a disease can have an inoculating effect, but that doesn't extend to actual vaccines. Fun fact: I think the earliest inoculation protocol comes from China, where they were grind a certain pox's scabs into a powder and blow it into the faces of the person being inoculated.
Man that sucks. Obviously I have no idea what your relationship with her was before all that, but assuming it was good, that sucks that it was ruined by such a dumb thing.
Yeah it was pretty nice prior to that, so a huge bummer. And I agree it is stupid to have ruined our relationship. Problem is, they're stubborn about their beliefs, and I'm stubborn about mine. I won't budge-we vax and will always vax. Period. So there isn't a nice conversation where we could hear each other's opinions/ideas/information and try to see the other side and have empathy. I believe in what I call science and facts and you can't tell me otherwise, and she believes in what she calls science and facts and thinks I'm part of the "sheeple". That's the crux of the problem with the entire thing overall-when you KNOW in your guts you are right and protecting your kid (on either side) there is NO budging. At least in my personal experience with this situation. Overall-sucks donkey dicks to have the issue within a family. Lol.
Accurate statement. I'm trying really hard to come from a place of....I don't know someplace more nice than where I came from before, which still lurks within me right below the surface haha
I am immuncompromised and will need all of my vaccinations redone in the months to come. I spent a week in the hospital earlier in August because I had a mild sinus infection my body couldn't fight.
I think being nice is the best first step, especially if they're family or friends. Most people shut down when you're too aggressive. But at some point, if I had to deal with that in person, I'd give up being nice and say, "You are putting me at risk of getting a minor infection that could kill me. Stop."
First of all, I hope you get better and recover from what's going on very soon! I'm so sorry to hear that. Secondly, your story is exactly another reason why it's so important. And yes, I agree with what your statement would be as well.
Aegi ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:29:20 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even if they are right it's still stupid.
That's how you need to approach it.
Tell them it will cause autism but you want them to tell you what percent of people vaccinated get it, then you need to say how you'd still way rather have autism than be dead or complicit in someone else's death.
That way they are right, but they also see how with them being correct it STILL makes sense to vaccinate.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:56:54 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But... Why do they care? Not vaccinating is a danger to everyone, vaccinating is (according to them) a danger to that child and that child only.
If they want their kids to become fucked up, fine. But why would they get angry at others?!
I wish I could answer that for you, but I can't. It's equally frustrating for me, trust me. The only bit of response I can factually give is that in their minds they think they are protecting their own kids and that we are poisoning them. There is no rationality, in my opinion, to that idea...but that's exactly the place they are coming from. They sincerely believe that to vaccinate their children is akin to poisoning them. And I sincerely believe they are bat shit crazy. ๐น
Edit: to vaccinate any person is like poisoning people-to more properly address you question.
Seriously though, how long before natural selection squashes the whole "anti-vaxxer" thing?
Tdir ยท 82 points ยท Posted at 15:56:20 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Long, because of herd immunity. It's only going to be a problem when there are too many anti-vaxxers and immunosupressed people in close proximity, and then it is going to hurt the immunosupressed people harder I think. Don't take my word on it, I'm just a guy on the internet basking in his superior intellect.
eelwarK ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 16:20:34 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This, plus diseases are subject to natural selection too. That is, they evolve and gain characteristics that make them hardier and more resistant to modern medicine. When anti-vaxxers spread and catch them, they increase the chance that our vaccines will stop working against a new strain of the disease (see: the flu)
I know 3 separate mothers who have chosen not to vaccinate their collective 8 children. They don't know each other, nor are they "hippie" or "conspiracy theory" types. They're just ignorant and caught up in this "I need to be an advocate for my child's health and not trust doctors because the internet told me stories that scared me" thing.
I'm gonna be and advocate for my child's health and ignore medical professionals who went school for a very long time to be where they are... lol People are strange.
Whenever I tried to talk to any of them about it, I was always amazed by the fact that they legitimately thought that their own Facebook research was superior to decades of documented science. It's all about feelings for them. They can feel superior to all the other moms out there who don't love their child enough to get between the child and medicine.
Omg this is so true for alot of people now, they do a bunch of Facebook research and no real documented medical research. Like seriously the belive everything they read no matter what the source or if it actually pertains to their situation. It's flabergasting.
Totally. It confirms their bias and makes them feel smart, so they keep doing it.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 11:45:27 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's even worse than that. I debated them online for years and the many of them DO read documented medical research. They read everything from established medical journals and the CDC that they can find. The problem is that they do not trust ANY major organization. In fact, they believe that anything a major organization like the CDC or even the AAP says is automatically suspect because they are all shady villains with nefarious plots underway. And who does that leave to be trusted? Quacks, snake-oil salesmen, and conspiracy loons like Joseph Mercola, Alex Jones, and Facebook randos.
divajedi ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:54:13 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a control issue, too. Because of social media they feel the world and society is spiraling out of control, so decisions like this make them feel like they have some sort of steady home base to rely on.
This went really mainstream and spread with Jenny McCarthy, who said in an interview about her anti-vaxx beliefs, "I got my degree from google." They do think that their own internet research is better than all accepted medical science.
Raises hand... yup. One of my in-laws was dating a person that decided to debate my whole family, including one person who was immunosuppressed and "at risk" about the mysterious dangers of vaccines.
I took a nursing class from someone who insisted that children who have "naturally high heavy metals in their blood" will get autism if they have too many vaccines at once. She was a healthcare professional. Every single class she'd talk about why it was bad to overdo it, and that you could a) not vaccinate (her #1 choice), b) pick and choose which you'll use (only a few through your lifetime!!), or c) if you fuck it all up you can cleanse the autism out by flushing all the heavy metals (obv last ditch effort).
The anti-vaxxers have infiltrated the healthcare system.
A friend of mine was applying to be a dental assistant and the program required proof from your family doctor that you were up
To date on all your inoculations before you could get accepted, which should be the standard for any job in health related fields I think.
Ok but what if we take the last one and run with it....
If we tell the anti-vaxxers that the vaccines are safe as long as you take a cleanse solution or whatever, which would basically be like a protein shake or some other sort of placebo liquid
Then the children will have vaccines and they will have extra vitamins or water or whatever from the placebo liquid
Yes, loads. I grew up in the evangelical homeschool community in the 90s. Many kids I grew up with are now anti-vaxxers with their own children. I would guess that it's still less common than Reddit would make it seem but it's still fairly prevalent in specific communities.
Hey, I was in the evangelical homeschool community in preschool. Stopped homeschooling, but stayed in evangelical churches most of my life. I haven't heard of a correlation between that community and anti-vaxxers before. My parents vaccinated anyway. Is it a coincidence, or part of the common belief system?
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:52:43 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think that there are two kinds of anti-vaxxers: the extremist fringe conservatives and the extremist fringe liberals.
The conservative anti-vaxxers tend to believe that vaccinations are a government conspiracy designed to brainwash children, while the leftists tend to believe that traditional medicine, genetically-modified ingredients and corporations are conspiring to make children sicker and dependent on pharmaceutical companies.
I don't believe evangelical Christians are any more likely than any other group to be anti-vaxxers; I just think it's a rare issue that transcends party lines.
I know a bunch of the lefty antivaxxers! There's an area near Seattle (Vashon Island) where 25% of kids aren't fully vaccinated. Mostly neo-hippies living there.
I had whooping cough. It was terrible. Coughed for nearly half a year. Eating was always a risk, because if I coughed immediately after eating, I'd puke. Couldn't sleep. And this was back when it was thought that childhood vaccines protected from whooping cough for life, and my doctors had no explanation for why I was sick aside from knowing for sure that even though my symptoms perfectly matched whooping cough and emerging evidence showed that immunity eventually fails, I definitely could not possibly have whooping cough. (The next year, they were like, "Hey, remember when you were coughing? Turns out it was probably whooping cough after all!" Thanks.)
Notuss (cough syrup with codeine) was the only thing that suppressed the cough. I was prescribed as much as I could legally be prescribed at the time. It was horrible.
It isn't actively taught within the curriculum but it does seem to be a fairly commonly held belief in the community. Totally anecdotally and could very well be a coincidence.
Gotcha. I actually want to ask my parents about their views on it now. Especially since the vaccination regimen has essentially tripled from when i was a kid, I wonder if they would do it differently today.
All of my in-laws are anti-vax. My oldest sister-in-law actually trapped me in the car on a ling car ride and grilled me about my vaccination stance, telling me that my child will drop dead if I get her vaccinated. It was really uncomfortable.
[deleted] ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 16:17:44 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I do a lot of smiling and nodding when the topic comes up, they know I disagree with them. Other than that, they are excellent people and super great to us. They just get a little nuts when it comes to vaccines.
Yeah. My oldest is a preemie, so we definitely got her vaccinated. The risks to her were too high not to.
lolarent ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 15:55:53 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, in the family as well. It's great because someone else in the family has a PHD in biology so when antivaxx girl came out with her stories, Auntie PHD just smiled, nodded, and rolled her eyes.
I have a few on Facebook, old friends from highschool. One of them has an autistic son that I'm pretty sure she blames vaccines for (let's ignore the fact that she and her husband weren't the most physically or mentally healthy people to begin with and they had a child), another is one of those "crunchy" moms who had five home births with no medications, and she blames Tylenol for the mild learning disability one of her sons has.
The lady at the local hippy store believes in homeopathy, crystal healing, etc. I avoid mom talk with people because everyone has an opinion and I don't feel like getting into a debate with a brick wall. I'll judge them until the end of my days, but I don't wanna get into arguments with them over it.
My step - sister and her husband are anti-vaxxers. It's because she comes from a long line of crazy (my stepmom's family). They also believe lavender oil can cure psoriasis, and frankincense could cure cancer. That's not hyperbole. She actually believes that
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:53:30 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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divajedi ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:03:23 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because you can make lavender oil yourself at home. "Big Pharma doesn't want you to know this one little secret! It would ruin their profits!"
It always boggles me when the same people who criticize pharmaceutical companies for making billions of dollars off of vaccines (probably a pharmaceutical company's least profitable division) are not nearly as discerning when they pay some charlatan who owns a supplement company hundreds of dollars per month for vegan encapsulated dirt pills.
Same that day I blocked them and watched as some chick who i know call them out on it and how stupid they are
sewsnap ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:20:11 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I homeschool my kids, and they're saturated in this community. Some of them are quiet about it, and you barely hear. And other have it covering their facebook, and try to tell you the evils every time they see you. Those ones thankfully don't stick around long.
I know a couple. One "unschools" her kids and us trying to move to Michigan to live off grid.
The other says her son doesn't need them but isn't rabidly against them. Her son also never leaves the house.
divajedi ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:59:25 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have this dream that all the home schooling anti-vaxxers will eventually die off because they have no immunity at all. Akin to when diseases brought over by the colonists killed off Native Americans.
(Also, funny, my phone wanted to change "anti-vaxxers" to "anti-Vader's." r/EmpireDidNothingWrong )
My sister says this about her kids. They are homeschooled and don't get out a ton. She always talks about how they get sick anytime someone around them is sick. She's very educated too.....I don't understand it
She says it's because he was premature. He was 1 week early and had no health problems. He's sick all the time because he never leaves his house and never interacts with anyone outside his family.
divajedi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:48:58 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That sounds like it could be the plot of a Lifetime movie. (Is that still a thing?)
A riding instructor of mine that my family was close to turned into an anti-vaxxer. She started saying how vaccines were a government conspiracy and that they give kids autism.
I've met one. She thinks her internet education is more valid than my actual degrees. It's so hard to argue with her because she doesn't have basic chemistry or biology. She's a good business woman but she should stay far away from pretending to be a health expert. I used to stay quiet about it when she would bring this stuff up, but I reached a limit. Hopefully something will enter her stubborn brain.
the youth leaders from my church when my brother was is high school were. apparently it was one of those things the husband insisted on and the wife decided it wasn't worth fighting. i heard this all 3rd party from my brother because he was very close to their family, but they've never been very outspoken and have never said anything publicly so i can't confirm.
pretty sure they just welcomed baby #4 into the world, so hopefully they aren't as extreme as they seem or have given in because here in CA it's getting harder to send your kids to school without them.
A guy I work with is an anti-vaxxer. He's an executive in our company. I don't see him face-to-face that often, because he's in LA and I'm in the Northeast, but he gloms onto any fad that claims to be health related that floats across his world. Being in LA, that's a lot of really stupid ones.
Tons. You just gotta run in the right circles. Or the wrong circles...
They tend to form close-knit communities on account of everyone else thinking they're retarded. The loud and vocal ones are the exception; even in this post, as you can see based on the group she shared it to, most of what they do is preaching to the choir. Don't let that fool you into thinking there aren't shittons of em out there though. It's insidious.
My company works with adoption agencies to find homes for their pets. I was adopting out a cat that was too young for its rabies vaccinations (required by law, not just a good idea), and it had a certificate to have a rabies vaccination done for free by a particular vet when it was old enough.
The adoption paperwork also asked about other pets the person had owned or currently owned, and their vaccination status -- because the adoption agency wants to make sure that the person getting the cat is going to take it to their vet when needed, including yearly check-ups and vaccinations.
The person was appalled that we -- not the adoption agency, me and my store -- were attempting to make her vaccinate her pets. We shouldn't be pushing our beliefs on other people who don't want to vaccinate their pets, because vaccines can cause so many potentially fatal problems for cats, according to them.
They had to do a phone interview before they could take the cat home, and when they told the shelter's owner that they did not plan on vaccinating the cat, she told them that they couldn't have the cat. And then they were appalled that I could not just give them the cat they wanted, as they were a paying customer and had the adoption fee. Like they wanted to buy a product and I was refusing to sell it to them. It's not my cat. I legally cannot give it someone that the owner of the cat does not approve of.
I did, once. A guy I briefly dated as a teenager never got his flu shots because his parents were anti-vaxxers. His mom explained why she didn't trust them once, but it was a long time ago and I don't remember her reasoning now. But I do remember she was VERY pompous and superior about it. I told the boyfriend I got my flu shots every year and then he asked if I ever got the flu, to which I said no. He was amazed. He could not believe I had never gotten the flu. It made me sad. It seemed like him and his brother got the flu often :(
I know ONE but he's a conspiracy theorist and unironically talks about how jet fuel can't melt steel beams, flat earth, and other things you might see in r/conspiracy so that might not count
Heard a well dressed older dude ranting to what was either his daughter or at the least someone a generation+ younger than them, about how pissed they were in regards to their kid/vaccination. Having only heard bits of their anger, I mistakenly assumed they were angry that someone had told their kid the whole 'vaccines cause autism' thing, as that matched the fragments I'd heard, and I attempted to sympathize with them.
SURPRISE, it was an anti-vaxxer... and no, I can't say that they had anything interesting to say - any and all attempts I made to find out where they were getting their ideas from, even a point in the direction so I could research it myself, was met with basically 'I shouldn't have to tell you, you should already know, it's OBVIOUS' style pushback. Even when I tried to get them to elaborate on... anything, really, other than their anger that other people don't share their stance, they just went right back to it. 'Twas strange.
I'm still hoping to encounter the white whale that is an anti-vaxxer that will attempt to actually debate their stance... but I get this feeling I haven't found any for a reason.
Only two that I'm aware of. Both were co-workers with multiple post-graduate degrees in STEM fields. One of them never talked about it, and I only heard about it through someone else telling me about it. The other didn't really talk about it per se, but we were out to lunch with another coworker that happened to be an MD, and somehow the topic came up. The MD knocked down every one of his assertions about why vaccines were wrong by pointing out that studies had debunked them until all he was left with was that he didn't trust doctors.
itekk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:40:39 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unfortunately yes, a few old friends. Most of them also believe in pretty much every other conspiracy Alex Jones sells them too.
dionvc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:45:19 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes I knew some anti vaxxers. They're nice people and I hope their kids dont die from polio or something crazy. Apparently they moved away from their previous country because they were being investigated for child abuse because a doctor reported them not vaccinating their children.
Yes, but she believes in pretty much everything and I don't know if she has dementia but she was never really all there to begin with. In her case I think she clings to bullshit like "put an onion in the corner of your room to prevent the flu" and "drinking cold water will stop your heart and destroys the ph balance of your stomach." I'm not exaggerating either of those, by the way.
I think she believes in so much bullshit because fear in something she can avoid is a hell of a lot better than dealing with a real problem that she can't control. A lot of the anti-vaxxers I've met are the same way. Before it was anti-vaxx, it was Morgellon's. There are always desperate people who will believe in something that gives them a solution.
Depends on what you're considering an anti vaxxer. Like the crazy ones that advocate against it? I haven't met one of those but my ex husband said "we're not going to get [son's name] vaccinated right?". I said yes we were and he acted all worried and started spouting bullshit. When I asked him where he heard all that shit, he said on a post on Facebook then admitted he didn't actually look any further into it than that. I think a lot of anti vaxxers get info like that and then you have the crazy vocal ones that actually look into the bogus research on it.
Ex girlfriend and her whole family, my old friends mother, a childhood friends mother (all spend too much time on Facebook), the president of the US (twitter), my boss at work etc. it's fairly common and in the suburbs also where it's less scientifically/intellectually inclined
anliotxa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:50:39 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know a few from my children's school. 1 mother of 5 declined vaccines for all her children and they all got measles, 1 died and the rest spent time in hoslital. It was all over the news where I live. I bet the mum regrets it now she lost a child and allowed the other to get severely ill
Of course all medication have side effects. I'm very sorry that unfortunately you were one of those people to experience those effects. However, for the collective good, vaccines are extremely important.
Riiiight, and while its really unfortunate you're one of the one in a million who suffers from negative side effects, there's countless more who are perfectly fine with the vaccines, and those vaccines serve to protect far more people than the side effects would hurt. So its kind of a greater good thing, a little personal sacrifice to help everyone around you, especially children/elderly.
Since you're just making things up vaccines cured my cancer and increased my IQ! They even made me win the lottery. I personally saw the MMR vaccine bring 80+ people back to life in Africa, two people even grew wings!
As a child with who's parents started SAT prep when I was 6. I had a surprisingly large vocabulary when I was 11. I remembered juxtaposition and dichotomy gave me trouble but now those are the only SAT words I can pull out on a dime and use in a sentence
Pilsu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:14:17 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, when I was a kid I'd say anything to try to get out of having a shot.... Too bad my mom was a good parent and dragged me to get them anyway.
I have to put my children into full body holds for vaccinations. It's not fun, it sucks, it hurts them, and we all end up crying everytime because it's so stressful.
But then we go get ice cream, and nobody dies from preventable illnesses. Win-win, really.
I once hid behind the exam table (it was in the corner). It took 3 people to get me out and give me the shots... I feel bad about it now. Those poor nurses....
Giving my cats their medicine and shots these days reminds me so much of what my parents had to deal with when taking my brother and I in for our shots. Everyone tries to hide behind the exam table and it takes two people to hold the patient down long enough to get the job done :P
I'm afraid of needles and managed to fake sick everyday in high school when they were happening. Eventually, when they went to see if I had everything lined up for graduation they realized all the missed shots and called my mom.
Mom made me go to the health clinic once a week for about a month to get caught up on all of them.
My daughter kicked the nurse giving her a flu shot in the chin last year. I ended up needing help (I'm just shy of 300, 6'5" and work out enough to be considered strong) from 2 other nurses to hold her down.... she was 6.
I'm already dreading this year's trip, it might start with whiskey for BOTH of us.
I put their butts in my lap, criss cross my legs over their knees, and wrap my arms around their upper bodies and elbows. Now that they're tall enough to hit me in the nose with their heads, I also push their heads to the side against my shoulder with my own head. Keeps them immobile. It's not comfortable for any of us. It looks mean, but it's so much better than being accidentally scratched by the needle, which has happened. Or being jabbed in the bone because they kicked at just the wrong time.
"So I tell him the dangers and he turned pale, his hands turned clammy, and with a bead of sweat dripping down his brow he said 'd...do my parents know this?' with a look of fear on his face unlike I've ever seen. It was pretty cool mom."
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fungah ยท 98 points ยท Posted at 15:09:18 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He looked towards the monkey bars and the knot in his stomach grew tighter. He always felt cold, desperate fear and remorse when he was near the monkey bars. This time it was different. It was a fear born not from guilt and possible discovery, but a concrete kind of fear made all the more terrifying by its tangibility.
It was almost too much to bear. He stared at the now smooth earth of the playground, and remembered the cool evening air that hung about him as he broke ground and dug, almost until dawn, to bury his guilt.
The fear he felt now was different than the fear of someone finding what he'd buried under the monkey bars, along with his innocence.
The fear he felt now was inexplicably worse.
[deleted] ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 16:43:07 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was a cold and stormy evening. I had a sandwich, but tonight... tonight I wanted something more. I had a hunger... for bad fiction.
gliotic ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 16:17:40 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The fog lay low on the moors that night while the stars sparkled in their thousands. From out the gloom came an unearthly whisper, high and reedy: "hey thimerosal gives u autism." I hastened my step.
kal824 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:18:02 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There was vomit on his sweater already, mom's spaghetti
If they heard from someone they look up to that lincoln was a tranny horserapist, thats what they would proudly regurgitate, and orobably get into a fight over when the other kids tease him for saying
gordo65 ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 19:18:30 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
11-year-olds especially like to repeat the stuff that they think no-one else knows, like the fact that doctors are paid to lie to their patients.
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Kyoopy11 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:39:30 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd imagine brothers/cousins being in the same room and just filling dead air with random statements is different than two kids having an "actual" conversation.
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:23:08 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have an 11 year old. Minecraft, legos, Halo, Destiny. They ain't that deep.
sewsnap ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:19:36 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They are little parakeets though. I have a nine (almost 10, he wouldn't want me forgetting that) y/o. And the kid brings up shit I didn't even think he could hear.
I once attempted to walk into a room and was immediately kicked out by the two boys I wanted to talk to, B & D.
Me: What's going on?
B: giggling Just go! Just get out of here!
D: He farted! guffawing It's so bad!
B: I didn't fart! You farted!
D: No, you did!
The two boys were actually grown ass men in their late 20s, and they were fellow managers at my store. They were actually above me in management. This was not a one time occurrence. Men will never not think fart jokes are funny, no matter how old they are.
sewsnap ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:15:25 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was just referring to the trucks part really. No guy ever grows out of the fart thing.
OminousG ยท 403 points ยท Posted at 16:17:00 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
11 years old is 5th grade. They start sex Ed around here then. My daughter came home one day last year talking about pompeii and condoms. Took me by surprise.
ancient city that was swallowed by an eruption. She was trying to wrap her head around the level of a catastrophe that would so easily wipe a city off the earth.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:07:21 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know what the city of Pompeii is... but in your context is sounded like "My daughter started sex ed and began talking about pompeii", so I was curious if it was a typo or if there was something about pompeii that I didn't know...
There is a connection between the two, but it's far too disgusting to mention even on reddit. I just can't believe that OminousG's kid is learning about it in school. Times change, I guess.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:38:03 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Too disgusting to mention on Reddit? Have you seen some of these subs?
I don't want to discuss it and then have to live with the guilt that I may have pushed some poor redditor over into having a full-blown pyroclastic flow fetish.
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:10:43 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
11 year olds are in 6th grade. But you're definitely correct.
OminousG ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:20:30 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cut offs vary but you usually end up with about a quarter of a grade on either edge of the deadline. My daughter turns 12 next month, so for a majority of 5th she was 11.
I'm the opposite. My birthday is the end of May so in 5th I was 9 excerpt for a few weeks at the end. I just know the regular ages for the grades and go by that. I never really thought about how I was always younger.
wimb0 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:11:51 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't start sex ed until 8th grade. Idk what you are talking about sex ed in 5th.
Billabo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:46:48 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I had sex ed in 5th grade. The younger you teach about it, the less likely that kids will be taken advantage of, because they know what's happening. Plus, puberty can begin at that age, more likely in girls.
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mwinks99 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:17:52 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same here man, when I was growing up I never really noticed that whole "the opposite sex is icky" thing. In fact my two best friends all the way through elementary and middle school were a guy and a girl.
Depends on how old you are. It seemed to stop being a thing shortly into the Millennial generation. By the time I was in high school, the elementary schoolers didn't care any more.
I pretended I didn't like girls for years because of peer pressure from other boys, but I've always secretly loved them and drooled over lingerie and swimsuit ads, women's magazines, stolen Playboys, etc.
Gamped ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:20:04 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know, I know, I'm really in the minority here but.... Centipede and Food Fight on the Atari 5200
Not enough people had this system so they might not know just how damn fun and challenging those two games were. I think to beat the upper levels you have to actually be born outside our galaxy.
Not really... My 5 year old would probably ask whether their friend liked trucks, but even then, that's getting pretty old. Mario might be 6 or 7. But at 11 years old, kids are not that dumb. Not saying that they are talking about vaccines and stuff, but it isn't like this person is saying.
Yeah, by 11 they're trying to sneak in curse words with their friends to seem cooler. Farts are still legit funny, but toy trucks are mostly old hat. Mario is typically a "baby game" unless you grew up exclusively on Nintendo products.
When I was 11, a pretty common discussion point was about how David Cameron was the best choice to lead the country, and how we needed to get rid of Gordon Brown.
Of course, our political discussions were pretty shallow, but they were there.
kxxzy ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 16:51:49 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, being a Tory is a pretty uninformed and shallow viewpoint so that makes sense
Yeah even if (huge "if" incoming) we lived in a world where vaccines were bad, there's no way the other friend would be so credulous of things that go against everything they've ever heard.
I remember one time in grade school, I had a cold sore, and my one precocious friend was like, "Don't you get those from sucking dirty dicks or something?" And everyone at the lunch table raged on him so hard for saying something so ridiculous. Imagine my surprise years later when I learned about oral herpes and how technically correct he was.
I feel like by 11 they are secretly saying fuck all the time like they are cool and making stupid poop jokes and other weird probably wrong sex jokes depending on where they grow up.
And by 11 if they are from a wealthier family they have ipads and phones so they are talking about whatever stupid app while snapchatting and the likes.
Couple years ago my cousin (12 now) had some kind of group text thing on her itouch. My aunt was scrolling through the messages and one of the boys sent a picture of his penis. My cousin didn't message in the chat I guess but also didn't tell her mom ? My aunt was pissed.
11 is around when they stop being cute truck lovers to fucking mini sociopaths, but they still don't care about vaccines.
[deleted] ยท 231 points ยท Posted at 15:59:13 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I fucking hate anti vaxxers. I have a genetic illness that comes with an immunodeficiency and if some little shit kid had given me typhoid or polio or some other disease because mombie didn't vax them I would've died. Have some consideration for...THE WORLD.
ItsKipz ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:55:56 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
how long can you move in the frozen time, jotaro
Zexis ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:44:32 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
BROWWWWWWWVVVVRRRR!
oddish56 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:06:41 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ONE SECOND HAS PASSED!
kieran81 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:55:59 on January 26, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
WWRRRRYYYYYYYY!
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:55:33 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
YEAH BUT DEY GOT BAD THINGS IN THEM WHICH MUST MEAN THEY'RE BAD FOR YOU!
It's like these people don't get how our immune systems work despite talking about how our immune systems can take care of it.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:50:17 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I got a mild case of the measles from the vax and it didn't deter my smart mom from continuing to vaccinate me according to school rules!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:20:38 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I got the flu from a flu shot but my mom was aware that sometimes that happens because they are technically injecting you with a little bit of the disease to get immunity to it.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:32:29 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"but i might die" is like the weakest argument anyone could make, nobody gives a shit if you live or die. if someone isnt going to vaccinate their kids what in the world makes you think all of sudden someone will at you and think "oh noooo this piece of shit nouterusnoproblem might die, of the 1:1,000,000,000 odds of catching polio in the USA, better go queue up"
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:50:35 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Asshole has a valid point. Nobody will change their opinions or practices because some stranger may die. Look how well that argument is working to keep ACA in effect.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:54:29 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
PLEASE NOTE: that is a harsh and terrible point of view and i no way endorse it, i am very good at playing devils advocate, or whatever that's called.
xkid8 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:18:41 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mombie. I love it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:50:47 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Credit belongs to /r/childfree but isn't it a great term?!
xkid8 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:53:37 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
so good. I work at a small coffee shop in a wealthy part of suburban New Jersey...it's like the mombie apocalypse in there. ugh.
You've never met a sociobathic or borderline kid, have you? Those kids naturally tend to fucking suck. It's a mixture of both nature and nurture with most people, and those little dickheads are all nature.
Evillisa ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:49:24 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean even then one could argue that it's not entirely their fault, they were born with a disadvantage.
I'm not arguing that it's their fault. I'm saying there are amazing parents who have other wonderful children but one just naturally pops up as a total piece of shit.
That said, most serial killers and rapists were terribly abused as children. Lots of head injuries, too.
jeegte12 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:22:28 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
that's hilarious. let me guess how much experience you have dealing with children.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:16:08 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You call them satisfied. In my opinion, there's nothing wrong with being content in life. Without any more information, I would call those people average but happy to be so.
You call them emotionally unavailable. It doesn't just happen with kids and parents, this often happens between couples as well. The reasons behind it can vary from a possible mental illness to just being too busy and not being able to prioritize well. Not all people are aware they're doing it, and sometimes all it takes is an honest conversation for them to realize what it is they're doing.
This one is impossible to answer because it's so vague. With age really does come wisdom, and while adults make mistakes the same as children and teens, it's really the reasoning behind their actions or inactions that define the merit of those actions. Sometimes they might just understand that the only way to learn is the hard way. It's good to let kids make some mistakes, it builds character and allows them to realize that they have control of their life, for good and bad.
The other day I was downloading Spotify on my laptop while my 2-year-old nephew was playing in the same room. He had just heard a rooster sing outside and was very excited. So I was having those silly conversation you have with toddlers, when you talk about what you are doing and they repeat words, and I was like "I'm downloading Spotify now. Well, T., is Spotify a rooster, or is it an application?" He decided that application was too a complicated word, so he was adamant that Spotify is a rooster. He tried to repeat application at first, but wasn't worth it. Oh I love talking of my nephew.
Boy I tell ya, if it wasn't for all those paychecks coming in from Big Vacc, my doctor wife wouldn't be rolling in all those extra hundreds of dollars a year made from continuously violating her Hippocratic oath.
We have TWO PS4s because of it. TWO.
Edit: But seriously folks I know a shitload of doctors since almost all her friends are M.D.s...these people wouldn't even write a scrip for each other, let alone administer "highly toxic and harmful" injections to children for what sounds like literally no reason other than money. Also like how much could Big Vaxx even be pocketing on each shot? Vaccines are generally free so I really don't understand where this supposed "payout" to M.D.s comes from. Or here's an even better point...if the whole exercise was to make extra money from giving people shots they don't need, why not just fucking shoot people with saline solution? Shit's damn near free, has zero side effects, and is super easy to produce and distribute. Why risk all these people finding out about poisonous toxic shots when the goal is just to pocket some cash from useless injections?
Plus I mean if doctors loved money THAT MUCH that they'd be willing to completely shit on every single thing they ever held dear and were taught during their ~12yrs of schooling, why the fuck are most people's family physicians taking lots of time off in the summer or working 3 days a week?
Like seriously, not that logic is a strong point for anti-vaxxers, but if someone really was anti-vaxx, just look up your M.D.'s work schedule and think to yourself "why would they be trying to get an couple thousand a year for pushing the Big Vaxx machine when they're not even working full weeks right now?"
Dang son, I better start "studying" medicine to get that big vacc and big med cash.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:43:36 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why should I believe you? You're clearly a lizard person.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:09:08 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's about general distrust. They don't believe they can ever trust a large organization. Therefore any conspiracy theory that suggests motivation (no matter how flimsy) feels more accurate to them than accepting what the CDC has to say. I blame extreme inequality. People distrust corporations, big banks, and at least 50% of the government (whatever their "opposite party" is) for assorted scandals that have gone unpunished because of their privilege, money, or connections. People are aware that they are potential victims (or at least comparative losers) for anyone higher than them in social/economic status. This generalized distrust has become so enormous that many people can't even trust the medical establishment or their own K-12 science education anymore. It's not just anti-vaxxing. Some parents think baby formula is basically poison and part of a similar conspiracy. Flat earthers are making a comeback. People proudly stared at the eclipse. If we can't win these people back (or at least their children) to the world of reason, our society is in trouble.
"Mom turn off the water now! I learned in chemistry that water is made of chemicals like hydrogen and oxygen! Water contains dihydrogen monoxide and 100% of people who consume it die!
As a physician this enrages me! According to this lady doctors are getting paid to vaccinate and here I am doing it for free like a chump!
delta102 ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 17:31:38 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What an idiot.
KameKani ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 20:12:11 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Another physician told me that vaccines are the one area in which she operates at a loss. She mentioned storage and other reasons I can't remember. Is that a common thing?
I work for a hospital system, so I'm insulated from those costs. This is one of the benefits of being an employee as a physician. Though, I've heard similar from colleagues in private practice that the when accounting for storage and nurse time there's no profit.
tgbst88 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:49:45 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Weird.. I thought in med school they taught fraud.
You guys, I'm like so smart now. You don't even know. You could ask me, "Kelly, what's the biggest company in the world?" And be like, "Blah blah blah, blah blah blah," giving you the exact right answer.
meh_day ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 17:20:05 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to throat punch parents like this. It's not so much that they choose to risk the wellbeing of their own children (although that's certainly awful), it's the fact that that their shit decision puts others that lack the ability (due to compromised immune systems) to be vaccinated in harms way as well. Fuck them. If I had a child with leukemia that was exposed to some totally preventable illness because of some whack job I would rage.
I really hope you coughed on them and walked away.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:12:17 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They aren't being accepted though. That's what all the controversy is about. Normal people don't accept their ignorant, fear-based recklessness. Sounds like someone has settled down in an echo chamber.
gordo65 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 19:15:35 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The other day, my 7-year-old daughter was singing a song she learned in school. One of the lines she sang was, "I may never ride in the calorie".
I told her that the word she's looking for is "cavalry". She got angry and said, "No, it's calorie! Cavalry is just a word you made up!"
Kid: So yeah, found out my dad's a huge liar. This time he made up some anti-vax convo I never had and posted it in proud fashion. Does this mean I'm not good enough because I don't have shitty hippy logic?
Maybe that's the problem... we "know" these people but aren't able to communicate with them in any meaningful way about, oh, life changing world-impacting issues. Seems like that might be a good starting point. That or we just round them up and stick them in front of their favorite TV shows, keep them watered & fed and try not to hurt their feelings.
That or we just round them up and stick them in front of their favorite TV shows, keep them watered & fed and try not to hurt their feelings.
Huh, I think this is what's happened to our country already. We're so entertained we're complacent. We're taught by example that the only way to deal with a different opinion than our own is with vitriol. It's better to hate something than to try and understand it.
Because he saw a beautiful, beautiful baby just, after the vaccinations, became autistic. He then said "Believe me" because he never lies or exaggerates.
Caprious ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:59:08 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You actually do have to be immunized to start school....
I had a shot that you're supposed to get when you're four years old when I was three years and 361 days old. In elementary school I remember I needed to bring a paper to the nurse's office signed by my doctor saying that was okay. So yeah. Schools require vaccines.
KameKani ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:15:36 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Parents can get waivers for religious or philosophical beliefs in most states and waivers for medical reasons in all states.
Caprious ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:31:51 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Medical waivers are one thing.
Religious/Philosophical waivers are bullshit. Don't bring your diseases around us because your religion/philosophy doesn't allow you to properly immunize and care for yourself and your children.
kaaaaath ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:41:04 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In California at least, (barring medical exemption.)
Well, the salt is optional. I just find it really helps bring out the flavor of the formaldehyde.
To answer your question, this is the family size recipe. It can be scaled up or down as necessary. You can also adjust the ratios to preference. A bit more mercury, a bit less nanites, etc.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:55:57 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One of the most heart breaking conversations I've had was with a dad who had an autistic son. He was almost in tears trying to understand why people would rather have their child die then have to raise a son like his.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:33:13 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They think vaccines cause all kinds of things, not just autism. Some think the autism claims are bogus but will then get all serious and explain to you how vaccines overload and damage infant immune systems, leading to a lifetime of frequent colds, increased occurrence of allergies, reduced energy levels, learning disabilities like ADHD, and so on. While some people are afraid that Big Pharma is trying to thin the herd or rake in the cash, others are convinced that well-meaning but stupid medical professionals don't realize that vaccine-preventable illnesses are not that big of a deal and that vaccines are making their children sickly dullards. In some cases they believe all of those things - Big Pharma is evil; some doctors don't know better, some are evil minions; the purpose of the plot is to thin the herd, destabilize society, and make people less healthy and intelligent, because that equals profit somehow. Point being - it's not always autism they are warning against. It's not even often autism. The people who are really involved in this movement tend to have developed far more intricate conspiracies in the face of debates against people who point out the autism link is bogus. Average dumbasses who join the movement on Facebook and then never debate it might cling to autism as their reason why, but the most frequent debaters have their own far-fetched explanations.
valid point, I was generalizing from the many arguments I've seen made about how vaccines cause autism, but a lot of the people who are farther into the anti vaccine shit have probably come up with more to say than just that. I point out the autism thing only because it was relative to my point of "people shouldn't treat learning disabilities, etc. as being equal to or worse than death." But yes, that is far from being the only reason vaccines are not accepted by a large group of people.
This is an inevitable phrase when dealing with these idiots. haven't you heard about the dangers and ingredients!!! But they will never list any of these dangers or ingredients. Except autism. Which is straight nonsense.
kaaaaath ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:36:04 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They also don't understand the difference between elements and compounds.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:23:27 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of these people do in fact read the ingredient labels. They do memorize info, and they keep a collection of links on hand (usually official links to prove their ingredient/dosage/etc info is correct, and then conspiracy theorist links to interpret that info as proof that vaccines are dangerous). They are informed in a sense, they just don't understand what their information means, and they don't trust the legitimate sources that are trying to explain it to them. I have known people with an otherwise solid understanding of basic science to go down this nutjob rabbit hole because they are so afraid of large organizations. This whole crazy movement is based on social fear, not ignorance. It couldn't spread without fear. People ignorant of the science used to vaccinate their children, no problem. Now we have people who should know better refusing to vax. The problem is fear - fear of being a victim of power, fear and misunderstanding of how an organization gains legitimacy, fear of people who know more than they do, fear of falling victim to an unscrupulous profiteer, and fear of government. The problem is 100% fear.
Facts everyone should know in the 21st century: 1. The Earth isn't flat. 2. Chemtrails don't exist. 3. Vaccines don't cause autism. 4. Vaccines save lives.
You know what diseases I've never had?
Tetanus, Diphtheria (reduced toxoid), Acellular Pertussis (reduced toxoid), Measles, Mumps, Rubella, Polio, Varicella, Meningitis, Tuberculosis or Rotavirus.
I used to just think anti-Vaxxers were annoying. That was before I had children. My youngest son is autisitic. He got all of his vaccines because I love him and I am a reasonable responsible human being. As a parent to an autistic child I can safely now say "I FUCKING HATE ANTI-VAXXERS." Better diagnosis and understanding of the condition has led to proper identification. That weird kid you all went to school with? Maybe autistic. All those kids they labeled as "retarded" and put into institutions up until the 90's? Probably many autistic. They are distracting and diverting resources from actual research because some fuckwit made up a bunch of shit to make money on his autism-free vaccine.
Seriously. Fuck those people and if your unvaccinated kid spreads the measles or whooping cough then fuck you too.
Sincerely,
A parent of an autistic child
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 16:18:05 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
IMO, you'd be best to leave it alone. The anti-vaccination movement is like a religion now. Or more like a cult. They believe what they believe even in the face of all evidence. So basically you'd be trying to convert them to a new religion, which usually doesn't go well for friendships.
I recently learned a friend doesn't believe in climate change. Ended a friendship over that. I've got no time for morons.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:58:28 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've posted this before but I think a good rule of thumb is to remember that people aren't generally able to remember exactly what was said throughout an entire conversation like this.
Because of that, any time I see a whole conversation posted somewhere, as if the poster is just able to freakishly remember every word of every sentence, it's literally never believable.
99% of the time it's sensationalized (like this) to benefit the writer. I'd venture to say that 90% of these interactions didn't actually happen; or a similar one happened and what we get is a recount of the story after the writer has pumped themselves up about what they could have said and how the other party just couldn't win and how the writer was victorious. We've also seen more extreme versions in which the surrounding people actually clap for the protagonist, in public, as if everyone-or anyone- really cared.
I believe it if the mom is crazy enough. They drill this shit into their kids heads until the kids become parrots. I showed my 6yo cousin a picture of dyed bread and he said I couldn't eat it because artificial colors will kill me. He also ran to tell me about cow pus on my bagel because he overheard his dad talking about it. I call bullshit on the other kid believing him though.
Smallpox is pretty hip nowadays. Don't worry about my kid that had cancer and had no immune system. I'm sure he'll understand that your parents take medical advice from Jenny McCarthy
Zoower ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:48:58 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There has never been supported evidence that vaccinations cause autism. There was a claim that a specific one did, and it was made because the guy was paid to make it by an alternate company.
Read up.
Mm the literal only time that I've personally seen vaccines do any damage to a person is my mums cousins, who were given a bad batch and are now unfortunately disabled (one to the point where she can't walk/talk) But normal vaccines that aren't a bad batch don't hurt people. (unless they have a reaction, which is usually not common) and this all happened before I was born, which is over 17 years ago. I'll never understand why people continue to believe shit like this.
Zoower ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:46:10 on September 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks-- good point, though. I forgot about the bad batches, because those do happen and it really sucks.
My son was born with a severe congenital heart defect. He was hospitalized until 7 months of age. They had to work magic between all the surgeries and procedures to get him vaccinated on time, but by God we did it. The hospital is crawling with the best germs.
Being a bit of a hippie, the doctors always asked me in a very hesitant way if he was up to date with his shots. There was always a big sigh of relief when I boomed "of fucking COURSE he is!" He always gets his flu shots, too.
I hate that we keep having to have the conversation, but I keep screaming it. Because my kid is one of the sick kids that will catch it first if yours isn't vaccinated. My kid is the kid that will die.
As a doctor the thing that pisses me off the most is the perception that we somehow are profiting from the vaccines. We are doing good just to break even on them, and sometimes we are reimbursed at a loss by insurance. So fuck me for trying to keep her kid from dying of parental stupidity.
vfxdev ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:58:51 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sad story.
My fiends had a kid and didn't vaccinate him because they were afraid of autism. They also put him on some strange vegan diet with these powders and stuff they ordered online, which turns out had some bacteria in it which exposed him to a disease that he would have been immune from. The kicker is that he was also diagnosed with autism recently.
DaHawk12 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:45:00 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As someone who takes lots of meds that lower my immune system. Nothing makes me angrier than these selfish "parents."
I guess this is how our society finally dies; we become so safe and apply so much weight to individuality that people end up demanding an end to intelligence
Antivaxxers, flat-earthers, MAGA, they're all just symptoms of the bigger problem. Now that people are so protected that they're free to ignore science and reason without the consequence of immediate death, they're going to tear down everything that made them so protected in the first place.
anliotxa ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:46:14 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Vaccinations serve to protect the whole community not jist the person getting the vaccine. Some children are too sick to be able to be vaccinated so by vaccinating our children we protect the vulnerable children who can not get vaccines. By not getting your child vaccinated you could potentially kill a child who has already suffered with illness. Really selfish. You vaccinate for the common good of everyone.
That is definitely how real 5th-6th grade kids converse. This definitely happened. I can tell from the pixels and from having seen quite a few kids in my time.
I like how they tried to euphemize "Anti-Vaxxers" by naming the group "Vaccine Re-Education." Reminds me a lot of "Conversion Therapy," equally disproved and unscientific.
Looks like mom is training her son into a true retarded clone with no desire to learn on his own about the benefits versus the very small risks that a life saving vaccine provides.
BenV94 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:40:48 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The vaccination circlejerk is so embarrassing.
'Anyone who disagrees with me is evil, insane and bad!'
We'll my 8 year old actually did tell a kid he was going to die because he didn't get his vaccinations. Mom tried to go off on my wife, wife basically told her he was right, she was a bad mom, and that we should probably report her to CPS. Oddly enough we didn't see that woman again. Go figure.....
I genuinely hate everything about this post. From the idoocy of the parent, to their pride in warping the mind of someone else's child, to the way they're boasting about their pointless kid on social media, to the asshole way they type "I. Love. Him".
It probably did happen.. there are tons of terrible parents out there who don't care how many children's lives they put at risk as long as they get to rant about government conspiracies and how all doctors on the planet obviously care more about a little bit of money than saving children's lives.
My lesbian cousin and her wife have a son, and he absolutely parrots their beliefs like this, we were at our family reunion once when he was around 8 or 9 and he was lecturing everyone on eating meat and how we were just too lazy to be vegetarians. They found it adorable and we found it irritating.
Later boy contracts measles from his friend, who then passes it to his baby sister and she dies a horrible death. Vaccines are bad but diseases are good? Some people are just too dumb!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:47:54 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Son: lists off dangers and ingredients
(Because she doesn't actually know enough about the dangers and ingredients to list any)
We have an undiagnosed mental illness problem in this country that is going to tear us apart.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:50:44 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I once overheard someone with a kid being in a really passionate conversation with someone about all the scary and dangerous ingredients in vaccines and how irresponsible it was for parents to risk their kids's health like that blabla. We were in a mcdonalds.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:59:07 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That never happened to anyone ever.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:04:22 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't be a sheep, Timmy, be exactly like Mommy!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:10:27 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That someone thinks this is incredible highlights how worrying its plausibility is. I mean this clearly isn't verbatim, 11 year olds aren't that wordy and unless he recorded it, then how would mom know? But an 11 year old could rattle off that shots are bad and their parents said so, and they have the added motive of hating shots, and they could imaginably tell their parents of the conversation. So let's not layer on too many layers of skepticism here.
They shouldn't have redacted the name. I feel like we all should know who these people are....
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:15:48 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah yes. Alongside anatomy and immunology there's also that 'mad scientist, evil finger pyramid and villian laugh' module you need to ace in order to complete your PhD. Can't believe you people don't know that.
This reminds me of how people talk about HIV and AIDS and the stigma that exists around it.
The medications are worse for you than the virus/disease!
..... No, Massive Dose Monotherapy of AZT and or D4T were nearly as bad and or worse. Modern Therapy like Genvoya which is one pill a day with little to no side effects and provides a near normal life expectancy and also makes it nearly impossible to transmit the virus is the reality.
Vaccines truly are the greatest medical development of all time. Even now at a time where humans don't really experience a lot of natural selection, vaccines contribute so that some of the really dumb people eventually die since they never got vaccinated.
It makes me despair that people like that actually exist. But then, as a human race we are doomed. We mix red bull and alcohol even though the can specifically tells us not to.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:29:29 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The can is a higher power? People who listen to cans cause me despair.
They should make schools soley for kids that arent vaccinated, it would be a cesspool of sickly children. Non vaccinated kids are lucky all other kids are. You are a dumbass and so is your kid which is soley your fault. Fucking idiot.
Mixbulk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:52 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Solely*
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:57:36 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder what school he was in, considering vaccinations are required for most public schools...
There was a doctor who just wanted to become well known, and did a study that showed that vaccinating your kids gives them autism. He did this study by finding out if autistic kids has been vaccinated, rather than the other way around. He ended up having his doctor's licence revoked and got imprisoned.
jjg0750 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:38:29 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Occasionally people have had allergic reactions to the shots. I have an egg allergy so when that was a major component of flu vaccines it was less risky for me to not get vaccinated. This isn't much of an issue nowadays. Allergies also can make it dangerous to get antivenom shots as well.
yeah3111 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:33:31 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think a lot of the anti vaccinators in the USA can be traced back to this person:
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:21:08 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can we start giving these people Polio? Like seriously, let's start taking these people and putting them on a plane and send them to places like India or Pakistan so they can see Polio patients.
jjg0750 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:34:03 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh so now they get free vacations. Jeez
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:36:54 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hear rural Pakistan is gorgeous this time of year.
That PhD is talking out of their ass, last years flu vac wasn't as effective as previous years batches, but it still helped millions of young and old folk that did benefit from it.
That might have been what he was referring too, he claimed that the stuff in the vaccines was not very representative of what people faced. Like they got some flus in there but they missed some of the most important flus. I am an engineer at big pharma, this is my understanding.
Even my University told me I could not attend class until I got a TDAP because it had been too long, and we very much have required vaccines. You have to get even more if you live on campus or are a nursing student. It is not a wish list. It's a necessity to attend.
I sure have my own issues, but I sure as hell am glad I lived this long, or haven't lived with damage from a totally preventable disease thanks to vaccinations. I won't even suffer from shingles someday because I never got chicken pox due to that shot. My parents didn't say "might as well get you exposed to it to get that sickness out of the way" because they knew better.
I don't think this is /r/thathappened material. If a kids been indoctrinated by his parents I could see him going around school preaching to the other kids.
Reminds me of that doc where Louis Theroux meets the Westboro Baptist Church and the kids are explaining how they tell other kids they are going to burn in hell if it comes up.
My mum is anti vaccine, I believed it for a long time.
skztr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:59:50 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Serious question, that I've never thought about before:
Are vaccinations free? Is the whole "anti-vax" thing actually just some people who are desperately cheap, to the point of putting others in danger, trying to feel justified as if they're making the decision based on something other than money?
Wait is the mom the teacher? Assuming this could have happened, which...no, how could she have been there and also know that the other kid had to leave early? And how does the kid whos super against shots go to school with the kid whos required to get shots by the school? Did i read that right?
Also maybe this is a harsh joke, but if your kid can accurately list and pronounce the harmful ingredients and their effects in the specific shots this other kid needs off the top of his head, then he might already be autistic. Get him his shots.
Have these people never heard of people in the third world not getting access to vaccines, which leads to large cases of many different communicable diseases on those countries. Hell, just read hinstory of diseases in your own country. Vaccines are a god send for humans to save uncountable lives. Please do not let natural selection act against your child just because you are too proud (or foolish. Choose your own adjective) to acknowledge that autism has nothing to do with vaccines. All the studies correlating vaccines with autism have been discredited and widely criticized in scientific community.
I understand that as a parent you might like to point fingers somewhere for your child disability. But when you are pointing fingers at the wrong direction (vaccines in this case), it's a dis-service to all fellow humans around you.
This reminds me of when Trump was like, "have you seen the needle they use to vaccinate babies with? It's huge!" I've been vaccinating my baby on schedule and I've never seen the giant needle.
Community Immunity ("Herd Immunity")
Vaccines can prevent outbreaks of disease and save lives.
When a critical portion of a community is immunized against a contagious disease, most members of the community are protected against that disease because there is little opportunity for an outbreak. Even those who are not eligible for certain vaccinesโsuch as infants, pregnant women, or immunocompromised individualsโget some protection because the spread of contagious disease is contained. This is known as "community immunity."
The principle of community immunity applies to control of a variety of contagious diseases, including influenza, measles, mumps, rotavirus, and pneumococcal disease.
In order to go to med school I had to update 1 of my vaccines. I also had to get a blood test to prove i was immune to chicken pox as well as measles. I had both vaccines before so I wasnt worried. Got the blood drawn. Results come in and it turns out I had low antibodies for both. In other words I was not immune. So I got a new vaccine the next day and everything is all good now.
moral: getting the vaccine helps build up antibodies, however not everyone has it. Some people do not develop enough antibodies to become immune. Some also have disorders that prevent vaccines. This is where herd immunity comes into play. Most people will bring up people who are immunocompromised, however most people forget that they themselves may be susceptible if they lack the appropriate number of antibodies.
I wonder how many anti-vac people would die rejecting a treatment for a virus or disease that they turned down the vaccination for. Just morbidly curious.
Sumgamma ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:48:08 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I call bullshit.....
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:06:42 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And when your kid gets sick, I'm just gonna assume you're gonna take him on a spiritual journey and feed him noodles tossed with love.
lamprdo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:35:27 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I get some mother's have a hard time letting their kids out into the world; but surely, making it so they're likely to die before you, is a bit much...
r/thathappened is such a strange sub. like, i get what it's aiming at (everyone applauded and that boys name was albert einstein etc etc) but it tends to just be full of people who seem a bit bitter that something interesting or funny was said or done by someone else and so decide it can't be true.
this, for example. i have no doubt that this could be a totally real convo from a young kid indoctrinated by anti-vaxxer parents.
As if a doctor would want you NOT to get sick for economic reasons
Edit: I meant that in the crazy anti-vaxers logic (c'mon, they think that the government wants to control our minds with vaccines) doctors would NOT benefit from vaccines because it would take part of their job and/or income. This is not what I think.
Yes, that's what I meant, but I didn't want to expand too much. What I mean is that doctors would also make money by having sick people in their offices rather that people not getting sick (and not going to the doctor)
But anti-vaxers think that the vaccines are what MAKE you sick.
By the way, this is not my first language and that's one of the reasons why I didn't want to expand too much
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:05:55 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
_laz_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:26:01 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That "article" is absolutely horrendous. Get better sources.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:34:05 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the source is the pdf fool.
_laz_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:00:24 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The source is the website you posted which is trash, although it's not a surprise that you use that as a source.
Go crawl back into your conspiracy hole. You will feel more comfortable talking to people there, they are more on your level.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:14:45 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
are you kidding me? that has nothing to do with this. the issue was with doctors moron.
the article HAS a source. its a source of a source. its not THE source. moron.
_laz_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:23:37 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You posted a link to a biased article. It was trash, just like your views.
You definitely aren't the sharpest knife in the drawer there, are ya bud? Like I said, it's probably best you head back into your conspiracy safe place. You'll feel better there.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:04:44 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
youre STILL going on about the article? i addressed this a few times. the article has the pdf. i said NOTHING about the article.
Are you stupid? how does doctors getting paid extra to do their job a conspiracy related subject? AGAIN, THIS IS ADDRESSING DOCTORS. REREAD WHO I REPLIED TO AND WHO THEY DIRECTLY REPLIED TO SO YOU CAN HOPEFULLY UNDERSTAND. THE ONLY THING I SAID REMOTELY ENTAILING "CONSPIRACY" IS THAT THERE SHOULD BE OVERWHELMING EVIDENCE
moron
_laz_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:09:53 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh you poor thing
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:10:11 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
thanks
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:19:43 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
are you finished rereading the previous comments? do you have a better understanding? if im not the sharpest knife, that makes you lesser for failing to grasp the concepts right? "reaching" and claiming that any comment here is at or borderline conspiracy quality? repeating something (the article/PDF) that was already addressed? you can quote but you wont. theres nothing to connect.
dont even have the right pieces in the puzzle and still you claim you are finished. moron.
_laz_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:30:43 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really struck a cord there I guess. Sorry pal, I should know to be careful with the mentally deficient. Now scurry along back to your hole.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:36:31 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
struck a *chord? how is explaining that i already addressed you striking a chord?
how is explaining how you are reaching striking a chord?
is it because i capitalized my point? and did the little "#" that confuses you so?
even if you DID strike a chord, how does that excuse your reading incompetence?
_laz_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:39:29 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure if you know, but that website you posted up there was shit.
Just thought you should be aware! ;)
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:47:40 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You fuckers with your conservative views and unwillingness to changed have fucked up so much. The mess you've left the world in will take decades to fix. Fuck you all. Fuck your racism. Fuck your inability to flex on fucking anything. I hate you. Your fuckers are the goddamn fucking worst. Thanks for trump. and brexit. and la pen. Fuck you. Fuck your lazy fucking oldness and your "Oh I'm an old dog and can't do new tricks" bullshit. Fuck right off and die. I've had this sitting on my chest for months. Jesus fucking christ I hate you. thanks so much for a world where your children will clean up your messes. Remember how you would always scold us when we didn't clean the table? Thanks for fucking up the planet and society. Suck a monstrous cock, drop dead, bye and die. Fuck you.
_laz_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:02:36 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Glad I could help relieve that pressure, honestly.
Your anger is misplaced though (unless this is some sort of copy pasta). I'm very open to changing my views, actually. And they are absolutely not conservative or pro trump, that's for sure.
Truth be told, I just get extremely frustrated talking to anti-vaxers on here I have a very short attention span with them and the subject.
Whatever the case may be, I hope you feel better!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:17:50 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Insurance companies would rather pay a bonus to pediatricians to encourage vaccination than have to pay for the treatment of hundreds/thousands of kids suffering from measles, diphtheria, hepatitis B or any of the plethora of diseases which are preventable with vaccinations. Shocker.
theyre paid to push what everybody should be addicted to.
How many people do you know that are addicted to vaccines? When was the last time you overheard some junkie talking about needing his MMR fix? I don't think you understand how addiction works.
there should be overwhelming evidence to shut these people up.
No amount of evidence, no matter how compelling, will ever shut these people up. If you're stupid/crazy enough to be an anti-vaxxer you clearly have a very casual relationship with reality and logic, so why would they care about some silly little thing like evidence? It's not like a lack of evidence dissuades anti-vaxxers from spewing their nonsense.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:27:49 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
middle paragraph- holy crap you dont honestly think that i meant vaccine addiction literally? i meant every time theres a vac out, all people should want to get any they can afford to get their hands on.
1&3- yeah thats understandable , but the fact that its lumped in with other questionable payouts like diagnosing a condition a certain percentage, continuing treatment instead of curing, etc - is still the doctor getting paid. the thread was about doctors,economics just reread who i replied to. and who they replied to.
so thanks for highlighting what i already said. thanks for thinking i believe in Vaccine Addiction, something im sure most people have never heard of(based on absolutely no information. i could be wrong; there could be a lot of people that believe Vax Addiction) And i just think its scary my doctor is possibly "stupid" enough to believe antivax is great. what else does my doctor believe?
holy crap you dont honestly think that i meant vaccine addiction literally? i meant every time theres a vac out, all people should want to get any they can afford to get their hands on.
I mean, you're apparently an anti-vaxxer, or at least defending anti-vaxxers, and anti-vaxxers believe there are all these poisons in vaccines, that they cause autism and that they're part of some sort of government surveillance conspiracy. I can quite easily picture an anti-vaxxer spouting "OMG DON'T YOU KNOW THEY PUT HEROIN IN THOSE VACCINES TO MAKE THEM ADDICTIVE SO YOU HAVE TO KEEP GETTING VACCINES TO FEED THE ADDICTION?!?!"
the thread was about doctors,economics just reread who i replied to. and who they replied to.
I was the person you replied to. And the person I replied to was saying that big pharma actually makes more money from non-vaccinated people requiring costly, long term treatment for conditions that are preventable with vaccination, not doctors...
so thanks for highlighting what i already said. thanks for thinking i believe in Vaccine Addiction, something im sure most people have never heard of(based on absolutely no information. i could be wrong; there could be a lot of people that believe Vax Addiction)
Umm... You're welcome? And like I said before, considering some of the batshit ideas that anti-vaxxers hold, it's not exactly a stretch to think they might believe vaccines are addictive. Just add it to the batshit list.
And i just think its scary my doctor is possibly "stupid" enough to believe antivax is great. what else does my doctor believe?
If your doctor believes anti-vax is great, it's time to find a new doctor. And report your doctor to the appropriate licensing authorities because a doctor pushing anti-vax and swaying other patients into that ideology is gross negligence in my opinion. Being skeptical about a new vaccine or telling a patient "we don't have all the info yet" is fine, but to outright condone, or even support anti-vaxxing flies in the face of the Hippocratic oath which that doctor has sworn to uphold.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:04 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
youre apparently an anti vaxxer
umm... youre welcome
ok but nothing like that was said. i only stated "everyone should be addicted to vaccines". im not sure why you try to group me in with "anti vaxxers think this" "so you must think so-and-so". im not sure why youre trying to stretch that statement from "everyone should be addicted" to "is addicted".
I was
yeah and i was pointing out there are programs that do benefit doctors in addition to bug pharma. they should already be pushing vaxing to the max on brands universally agreed on(medically.not by anti vaxxers,insurance promoting brands, etc).and like i mentioned earlier, its grouped in with other programs that seem to benefit doctors based on the same principles.
if your doc
i was really alluding to other topics medically disputed, and what influences their treatment behind the scenes. i think we should be able to quash anti vaxxers effortlessly. its not like i said vaccines directly/indirectly cause autism or something.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:16:45 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:00:43 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
im only focused on the pdf. the website is the first one that had the pdf.
i dont need google to tell you its $25 to fully vac a child to get that bonus.
page 15 , doctors in the program do get paid. that $400 is for the doctor. other things mentioned here like disease management(not curing them) also gives them a payout.
dont attack my views on the article when ive said nothing of it.
before i have to repeat myself, im only concerned about the pdf.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:51:38 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I suggest you ask an actual physician why this article is wrong. I took the time to ask one and he thoroughly explained it to me, now it's your turn to do the same.
getSmoke ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:07:20 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Too late for your edit. Reddit made its mind and expect downvotes to keep coming. Sorry bud, use /s next time.
I support vaccination, but in the interests of truth at the expense of circle jerking, doctors are incentivized to administer vaccines in a number of countries[1] and are thus subject to an unscientific conflict of interest. Additionally, some doctors do take it upon themselves to lie rather than treat parents as rational adults, which only encourages conspiracy theories and a contempt for the truth among the public. Treat the public like adults and they will behave as such. We wouldn't have the political problems that we have today if the public weren't constantly infantilised by liberals and conservatives alike.
Why is there a huge overlap among middle class liberal whites and antivaxxers? The same folks who decry the lack of climate change initiative but are putting their children at risk?
Edit for accuracy: I'm aware of the growing trend among republicans to go anti-vaxx. My question was posed about the origins of this culture.
It's origins were upper class and upper-middle class liberals (race probably not a factor) that started pulling the anti-vax card. Those with stay-at-home moms who watched too many daytime-talk shows on TV that promoted the junk-science of it, and "researching" it on the interwebs. California till recently allowed anyone to fill out personal exemptions for their kids to attend school unvaccinated and these people had the time to do this. Also, their mentality was, "well I don't know if it's safe or not but because of herd immunity I don't need my kids to be vaccinated". So they rely on the poor and standard middle class folks to maintain the herd immunity and "risk" taking the vaccinations so they don't have to. Just the rich once again bootstrapping off the rest of em.
Jokes on them though, they started getting sick, cause the herd immunity percentage got too low, so now California has scrubbed the personal exemption rule. All kids in public schools should be vaccinated, like it should be.
Idk anymore I used to be a shove it down your throat guy for vaccines until I had children of my own and my sister in law may become permanently disabled due to the MMR, I now see parents concerns as legitimate I also believe they're good for a community as a whole but it's not so cut and dry as people make it out to be.
careoke ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 18:21:04 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well my half sister who was born in the 1970s in a less developed country is permanently deaf and disfigured because of measles. Nothing in life is ever 100% risk free, but not getting vaccinated is more dangerous than getting vaccinated.
Sure about that? Do you really have all of the scientific data that properly shows all the risks of all the vaccines, or not using vaccines, under all the various situations and conditions?
Here's the answer, by the way. It doesn't exist.
homeyG75 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:35:28 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uh...literally the existence of all vaccines ever? Look at polio by itself. To quote wikipedia, "At its peak in the 1940s and 1950s, polio would paralyze or kill over half a million people worldwide every year." Now literally no one gets polio in the US anymore. Then look at all the other vaccines that exist. There's a reason they exist.
How about instead of googling "why r vaccines the devil" you should try searching for reasons that vaccines are good.
Well...here's the deal. I'm not anti-vac. There is a time and place for them. And in some cases, no vaccine can mean death.
The biggest issue is that we put the application of them into a go or no go bucket. Pro vac or anti-vac. And what we should be doing is looking at the need and application of each of them. The need for a polio vac is a very different dynamic than giving every new born a vac for Heb B...etc.
_laz_ ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 21:22:31 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. Not OP, but we are sure about that. There are plenty of studies, but I'm sure you don't care. You also probably believe climate change is a lie and the government is turning our frogs gay, dontcha?
Yes. Not OP, but we are sure about that. There are plenty of studies, but I'm sure you don't care. You also probably believe climate change is a lie and the government is turning our frogs gay, dontcha?
I think you would be shocked to know how much scientific data there is that clearly shows the dangers of vaccines. I've done this research. I know.
Listen - it's not black and white. Pro or anti. There is a time and place for certain vacs, but the current CDC schedule is way out of hand.
You also probably believe climate change
Someone should also tell you that there is no scientific evidence that CO2 in the atmosphere actually raises temps on the surface and elsewhere. It doesn't mean that I'm not saying it is or is not. I'm just saying there is no clear evidence that proves it. Just because there is more CO2 in the atmosphere and temps are up does not mean a direct cause and effect.
So...please...I challenge you, search the science. Proof me wrong.
Someone should also tell you that there is no scientific evidence that CO2 in the atmosphere actually raises temps on the surface and elsewhere.
This is an experiment kids to in high school now. Saying there is no evidence is like saying that mentos and coke doesn't have a reaction. Even Mythbusters did it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPRd5GT0v0I
Tons of schools are doing temperature experiments using CO2. You can do it at home, amazon sells small CO2 tanks for $15. Tear apart an old Pressurecooker and you have yourself a $30 experiment.
IF every high school chemistry teacher can prove it with $30 and a day of free time I think it's safe to say the people saying it isn't true probably have some other motives.
I won't get into your first point I just wanted to comment about your one point.
Proof me wrong
edit: Not sure if a meme or English isn't your first language, but you may want to edit that to "Prove" to be taken a bit more seriously. I understand your points but also remember not to misplace the burden of proof. If you think something is wrong that everyone is saying is right, don't ask everyone to find sources, how about you link a source to show your side. It gets tough when people make crazy claims and say "look it up, prove me wrong" and everyone else has to do the work, then you just find a small detail you don't like and dismiss it. It's all too common in these online discussions. So throw in your own proof whenever you make a claim, saves time for everyone.
This is an experiment kids to in high school now. Saying there is no evidence is like saying that mentos and coke doesn't have a reaction. Even Mythbusters did it. ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPRd5GT0v0I Tons of schools are doing temperature experiments using CO2. You can do it at home, amazon sells small CO2 tanks for $15. Tear apart an old Pressurecooker and you have yourself a $30 experiment. IF every high school chemistry teacher can prove it with $30 and a day of free time I think it's safe to say the people saying it isn't true probably have some other motives.
So a small bottle or cube pumped full with CO2 is the same as the earth and its atmosphere?
Please tell me that you're not hinging everything related to global warming and climate change on this?
EDIT: sorry for the earlier spelling error.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:38:59 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I only commented on his point. He said that CO2 actually raises temperature is something we have no evidence of. I showed that we have overwhelming evidence of that fact.
If you want to discuss the intricacies of all the different possible variables of climate change, that is for a different discussion, I was simply talking about one point he made and how we already have an answer to that one point.
_laz_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:19:59 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just as I thought, thanks. And no, I decline your challenge, definitely not worth the effort.
"The earth is flat. Prove to me I'm wrong."
"The gays are going to hell, the Bible says so! Prove to me I'm wrong."
"Chemtrails are turning the frogs gay. Prove to me I'm wrong."
I have a photo of the earth. Shows it being round.
The gays are going to hell, the Bible says so! Prove to me I'm wrong
This is religion. Don't confuse religion with science.
Chemtrails are turning the frogs gay. Prove to me I'm wrong.
Can't say one way or another. Never researched it.
But I have researched climate change and global warming, in an effort to make up my own mind, and there is no definitive evidence that CO2 in the atmosphere is causing climate change or warming. If there was, it would be super easy to spot and prove.
_laz_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:38:26 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Photos of the earth are doctored by NASA, that isn't proof of anything. The earth is flat - prove me wrong.
Do you not see the point?
And also - 99% of climate scientists, the actual experts in the field, disagree with you.
Only some of them. Besides, I've been up high enough to see the curvature for myself. Not to mention that the only stuff flat in the universe are things like galaxies.
And also - 99% of climate scientists, the actual experts in the field, disagree with you.
That's not true, by the way.
And there are actually some very very smart people that disagree that CO2 is driving temperature changes or that we can accurately state this. Including the guys at CERN.
You have let a mostly green non-scientific media make up your mind for you. Be fair to yourself and others and go back out with an open mind.
careoke ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:03:30 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, because that's not the way science works. Can you name any similar medical intervention that has scientific data for ALL risks of use and non-use for ALL forms in ALL situations and conditions?
Here's the answer: you don't. Because it doesn't exist.
But that doesn't mean, for example, that doctors shouldn't wash their hands before performing surgery just because the hygiene hypothesis asserts, with some good evidence, that a "too sterile" society increases risk of allergies.
Look, no offense, but I'm not going to waste my time arguing with an anti-vaxxer. I've worked and spent a lot of time in countries with low vaccination rates, and the suffering lack of vaccinations has caused is real. And has touched my own family in a serious, horrifying way.
Look, no offense, but I'm not going to waste my time arguing with an anti-vaxxer. I've worked and spent a lot of time in countries with low vaccination rates
Yes, in countries where vaccinations are the difference between life and death. Do it or die.
Now...back in first world nations, please show me the justification to mass vaccinate everyone over something that has very little risk.
And has touched my own family in a serious, horrifying way.
Great drama, now let's also talk about the families that were also seriously injured from vaccines.
Listen, I'm not anti-vac. They have their time and place, but the current CDC schedule, especially those involving kids, has gotten way out of hand. It's fear mongering. And the body is very very complex. It's not a precise a science that everyone thinks it is.
I am qualified in the sense that I have read just about every book and paper on this subject. More than nearly all physicians that I have spoken with.
It's called, using education to make up my own mind instead of this band wagon, black or white position that people have with vaccines.
And this is why I say I'm not pro or anti. They have a time and place. But mass vaccinations are going to f*ck us up. We put too much emphasis on saving everyone under all possible scenarios, fueled by profits, and it's going to burn us. Not much different than the over use of antibiotics, which, two decades ago, everyone said was perfectly safe. Same thing with NSAIDs and opiate based medicines.
careoke ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:54:23 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, but you don't have any evidence of what you're talking about. Got any links to back up anything? Legitimate ones.
And the only reason vaccines are a matter or life in some countries is herd immunity. The country where my family is NOT a third world country and was not one when my sister was born in the 1970s. It just didn't have mandated vaccine schedule at that time.
Legitimate stories of people getting hurt by vaccines are very rare. Death and disability caused by diseases that vaccines now protect us from are, historically, the rule not the exception.
Not an anti-vaxxer? Well you certainly sound like one...
I'm having trouble locating studies on effects of combined vaccinations and risks associated with that myself, but overall it seems we have a lot more data to sift through before we get a solid answer on that, I understand the amount of variables in that is absurd but the way people treat concerned parents is absurd as well but I know most concerned parents are NOTHING like the mom in the original post. Most of us just want some straight forward answers but man is it hard to find.
careoke ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:14:29 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not being a jerk, but what do you think makes you qualify to conduct this kind of meta-analysis of existing research? Have you sat down with an expert, a trained scientist in this field, and asked them to explain to you what the actual gaps in the research are?
I personally have done a small amount of looking at the existing, legitimate research on the present vaccine protocol and I haven't seen anything like the gaps you described and are concerned about.
Vaccines are generally good to take for everyone, except people whose immune system can't handle those, for these people it's important that others are vaccinated so the disease can't spread to them.
(My take, concerns are legitimate though, ask medical doctors when in doubt)
That's a 1 in a million chance that your sister in law would have something bad happen to her because of vaccines. Overall, it is WAY better to get vaccines then not to.
_laz_ ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 20:27:50 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It really is cut and dry. You should educate yourself.
Could you offer some sources I could use to make me and my wife feel more comfortable about them? It's hard when it hits so close to home ya know.
_laz_ ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:52:44 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can appreciate that and I'm at work on mobile so perhaps I will later tonight.
Here's the thing that I always drill down to tho... the anti-Vaxer won't vaccinate their kids due to the risk (usually of autism), and since the vast majority of people in the modern world are vaccinated, the current risk of obtaining the diseases these vaccinations prevent is relatively small.
What happens, then, if the world takes on their viewpoint and everyone in the world stops vaccinating? What happens to your kid at that point when these diseases start coming back in mass?
There are many scientific based studies on why vaccinations are a good thing, but the saying of "you can't reason someone out of something they didn't reason themselves into" is very true with the anti van crowd.
Ok I would appreciate that. And to be honest I feel like I was reasoned into the position I am now, I've seen enough evidence to know they don't cause autism but I'm still concerned about adverse effects and how common they actually are everyone says 1 in million but the more I dig in the smaller that number gets and again I'm fully aware of herd immunity but to keep it simple you really don't give a shit about everyone else when it comes to your own children and I don't see enough people acknowledging this bias.
_laz_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:33:38 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The other poster below this provided a couple of good links and I'll try to post others.
I do understand only caring about your own children. But the chances your child gets a horrific disease that could have been prevented goes up with every other unvaccinated child. Every little bit of momentum this "movement" obtains is problematic.
There are risks with literally every medical procedure. The overwhelming effectiveness of vaccines is what allows these parents to be comfortable enough to not vaccinate.
Hey man know it's close to home!
A lot of people are skeptical about the government, but the Centers for Disease Control is really a great organization with consistent, reliable data and helpful information. Check out their vaccine safety here (https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/index.html)
If you're more of a numbers guy here is a great resource from Oxford university with a lot of data on the good of vaccines!
ImBrandy ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:35:53 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why are you guys down voting Caleb? He's not spewing lies about vaccines he's saying he knows someone who had a negative outcome and understands their concerns.
If you don't blindy praise vaccines on reddit, or if you voice any concerns about their safety or efficacy, you get downvoted. I'm surprised you aren't heavily downvoted for even pointing this out. It's such a strange and reliable reaction that it made me really look into the facts and statistics instead of going along with the hivemind on this one.
I don't know everything how vaccinations work but if the other kids are vaccinated what would it matter?
Azerov ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:54:26 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As it was stated before, some kids can't her vaccinated; too young, immune issues, etc. by having a school age kid not being vaccinated, all those germs and such from other kids will be brought into contact with kids who don't go to school and can cause serious issues, up to and including death.
Here's a post regarding this exact situation
Children can't consent to being vaccinated or not. Let us quit "choice" horseshit when children are involved and let the common sense take the wheel. See? Simple as that.
Somehow people still underestimate the how idiotic parents can be and the fact there are actual parents out there who lecture their kids on conspiracy theories that have no basis in fact such as the holocaust never happened and vaccines cause autism.
ayydance ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:01:46 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right. He is just parroting what his crazy ads Mom probably talks about non stop
Yeah, it's possdible a 11 year old said this, it fits better here than thathappened, it's amazing what your kids regurgitate back at you around that age.
Unless you 100% know every compound in the vaccine you're taking, and how exactly it reacts with your body, then don't talk down on people for refusing to blindly sign up. Just shut the fuck up and go get vaccinated. You don't have a right to tell other people to get vaccinated, because corporate news told you to. Typical pussyface liberals
Look up herd immunity. Refusing to get your kid vaccinated could lead to them spreading a disease to a kid who is medically unable to get vaccinated. It's not blindly signing up, it's proven science. You're only one rung above the average antivaxxer yourself.
I know you've never had the time to read a book or look up any history, but if you had you'd know that people die of diseases when their immune system isn't strong enough to fend for itself. Welcome to the real word fantasy land fuck. You're only one rung above the hamburger I ate for lunch
STYX010 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:48:59 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, it is commonly known that children and old people are those with "immune systems that aren't strong enough". Myself had a lung operation (4 times collapted lungs on the left side) and if i hadn't been vaccinated, i would probably be really sick or maybe dead, because i had a immune system which wasn't great after surgery and the guy next to me had diphtheria, which caused a quarantine on the ward. I'm 31 years old now and glad i was vaccinated.
I'm glad you got vaccinated too. I'm saying people have a right to chose not to get vaccinated since we live in America and not nazi Germany. Not to mention natural selection could use all the help it can get. Here's a way to stop worrying about people getting vaccinated, get yourself and your kids vaccinated. Sit down and shut the fuck up. Then let all the idiots die, sounds pretty simple.
It's not the fictional act itself they're talking about , it's the fact that this was posted on social media to begin with since this obviously indicates they're a anti-vaxxer that lies to everyone around them, plus they're bringing their child into this shit. This can't be good for the actual kid.
๐๏ธ bdross97 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 14:24:50 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lmao
[deleted] ยท -19 points ยท Posted at 16:38:35 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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pawelf1 ยท -23 points ยท Posted at 16:26:54 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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phoenix3423 ยท 3725 points ยท Posted at 14:14:31 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seems like one of those mom's who make up shit to make their kids look awesome. Oh lookie here 16 mo old Brayleene just cleaned her room and made her bed. All by herself! ugh.
SkullFiddle ยท 652 points ยท Posted at 14:59:35 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Similarish: https://www.reddit.com/r/forwardsfromgrandma/comments/54lhfc/my_cousin_makes_political_memes_out_of_pictures/?st=J70KT44R&sh=b3432978
pizza_for_nunchucks ยท 569 points ยท Posted at 23:04:09 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If the vaccines don't give me autism, that sure as fuck will.
kaaaaath ยท 60 points ยท Posted at 06:05:20 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm done. You win.
[deleted] ยท 76 points ยท Posted at 22:03:56 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They aren't even clever.
Amarella ยท 175 points ยท Posted at 20:43:36 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit these are disturbing AF. Poor kids.
[deleted] ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 19:33:29 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Those were not memes.
DayMan4224 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 01:14:21 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But they put words on pictures!
Ellemshaye ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 01:28:59 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This guy must hold some kind of record for unfollowed/total friends ratio.
SLOW_PHALLUS_SLAPPER ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 19:30:45 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
DayMan4224 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:13:48 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reminds me of my nieces psychotic dad, who would ask her who she liked between Clinton and Trump. If she didn't say Trump, he'd scream at her. Of course she was 6 at the time so...
AtomicPunk ยท 86 points ยท Posted at 16:12:22 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit fuck that dude and his cute kid memes. His kids aren't even all that cute, they look like white trash tadpoles to me.
Dinosauringg ยท 133 points ยท Posted at 18:07:13 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, his kids are adorable. It's not their fault he's a dumbass
AtomicPunk ยท 59 points ยท Posted at 20:18:02 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fine. They're cute. Their dad sucks
xxHikari ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 20:28:38 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know why parents do that to their kids? How would you feel if you were used as some cringe "meme" by your presents to tout their political discourse? I know I'd feel kinda ashamed
Dinosauringg ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 21:56:23 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. Even if I grew up to agree I feel like I'd be offended
MintyTS ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 05:11:36 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even if I felt the same I would disagree out of spite.
thebirdsareoutlate ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 21:39:25 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Upvote for "white trash tadpoles"
HardlightCereal ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 00:23:52 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I normally don't like racist slurs, but in this case it is completely true.
fluteitup ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:47:48 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Omg the political ones were terrible
RealChase73 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:07:56 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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xxHikari ยท 111 points ยท Posted at 20:24:07 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yeah? My toddler, Brent got home after a hard shift in the coal mines for 22 hours, walked through the door, did a line, then skulled a cold one with his paw. Proud of that boy! He's going places!
RussLincoln ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 22:23:37 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm laughing at the name brayleene.
jakeair ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:54:31 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh look my newborn kicked the vaccine out of the doctors hand, he already knows the evil of them!
tragic_exit ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:16:45 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well he obviously wants his kid to be a smart American and take out crushing student loan debt. Because all the money that kid can save before college may cover one semesters worth of text books.
emp1981 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:37:31 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No... she's not likely making this up. She's truly proud of her kid for repeating her anti-science, anti-vaccination ways. Did you totally miss the point of this because you are ALSO an anti-vaxxer? If a parent wants to neglect their kids and not vaccinate, that's all fine and dandy, but when they start pushing their unrealistic and idiotic views on MY children, we are going to be having some issues.
phoenix3423 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:52:40 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow! Calm down the crazy. I am a firm believer in vaccines. I really doubt an 11 year old really said all that to his friend. Sounds to me like she made the whole interaction between him and his friend seem a lot more than it was.
069988244 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:03:58 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or the type of mom who poisons her child to get sympathy
metastasis_d ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:53:03 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HardlightCereal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:22:34 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't most 16 year olds do that?
phoenix3423 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:51:18 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They should but not a 16 month old
Dekuscrubster72 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:14:00 on October 2, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My 2 month old just found the cure for cancer I'm a better parent
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:36:33 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why the FUCK do so many Redditors think plural words get apostrophes? Where do they teach this?
phoenix3423 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 18:41:47 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My auto correct did that so kindly fuck off
Kidvette2004 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:43:17 on November 23, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeeahhh
NeoRevanchist ยท 12038 points ยท Posted at 14:56:38 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I. LOVE. HIM
... Not quite enough to get him vaccinated though. Better dead than autistic though, am I right?
Edit: I feel as though I need to clarify at this point.
This was a joke that is implied to be from the point of view of the anti vaxer.
Many people who are against vaccinations (not necessarily this person) believe they cause autism and would rather risk their child getting horrible, life threatening illnesses than have to deal with an autistic child. That's the joke.
I myself do not believe that vaccines cause autism because I'm not batshit insane.
If I had a child, then I wouldn't want hypothetical child to be dead if they were autistic because I'm not a monster.
cyphrr ยท 3336 points ยท Posted at 16:36:00 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah its cool to have diseases no one else gets.
He's a true individual.
queen_laqweefah ยท 936 points ยท Posted at 17:02:20 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True hipster
sumphatguy ยท 850 points ยท Posted at 17:20:40 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But he's getting diseases after everyone stopped getting them. Does that make him a shitty hipster or reverse hipster? ๐ค
agg2596 ยท 600 points ยท Posted at 17:40:44 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
r e t r o
brainsack ยท 437 points ยท Posted at 19:06:44 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
vintage diseases are so hot right now
edgrrrpo ยท 126 points ยท Posted at 19:13:09 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely. Listen to all your favorite tunes on wax cylinder while idling the time away in that retro-tastic iron lung. Just like the good old days.
Taxus_Calyx ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:16:19 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was autistic before it was cool. Now, I'm not autistic because its cool, and because I bought the devax kit from Gwyneth Paltrow.
Self-Aware ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:02 on September 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Necroposting here but I gotta ask, was that actually a real thing she did?
Taxus_Calyx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:17 on September 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No. Its my own anti-tech prediction.
Self-Aware ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:51:03 on September 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly I wouldn't be surprised.
DankWojak ยท 84 points ยท Posted at 20:41:58 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TylerInHiFi ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:43:45 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
r/lewronggeneration
AMAKanye ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:22:41 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Locally sourced, had crafted polio blankets are all the rage these days
MrMcgruder ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:28:38 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dengue fever is to die for
ECHO-Respect ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:13:15 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I recently contracted bubonic plague. That's how vintage I am. Only the finest of diseases for me, thanks.
eisme2016 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:21:32 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Polio has never been hotter.
BigNinja96 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:19:33 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I prefer artisan microbes, but to each his own I suppose.
KyleRichXV ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 17:33:34 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Asking the real questions.
kinsano ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 17:59:27 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It makes him one of those retro hipsters. He's got nostalgia for those diseases his generation never got to experience
rbj0 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:15:11 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
r/lewronggeneration
Cartod ยท 51 points ยท Posted at 17:45:50 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's bringing it back.
CanhotoBranco ยท 85 points ยท Posted at 20:37:54 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm bringing smallpox back.
My pediatrician just don't know how to act.
My child's a snowflake, fuck herd immunity, Jack.
I get my medical advice from Facebook and some quack.
AerThreepwood ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:31:31 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
YYYYUUUUUPPPP!
CoffeeHelpsThePoo ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 11:47:30 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Takeittothe moooooooorgue!
DakotaEE ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:54:14 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This could be a Weird Al song.
Vat1canCame0s ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 18:54:22 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank God, how did we ever live without Polio?
hellokkiten ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:38:15 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Things were better back then, we're just trying to make childhood disease deadly again.
Squonkster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:48:34 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We need another polio-crippled president to really make America great again.
manflusurvivor ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:36:54 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Smallpox = sexy
queen_laqweefah ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 18:08:33 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but hipsters also listen to records and shit after everyone stopped using them so just a plain hipster.
Squonkster ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:52:20 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pfft, vinyl is soooo mainstream these days. True hipsters only consume their media on analog magnetic tapes.
/r/cassetteculture/ /r/VHS/
Mastur_Of_Bait ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:44:47 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Both
lubujackson ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:11:07 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It makes him a dead hipster.
Terminator_Puppy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:04:54 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't that what all hipsters do though? Long hair, weird beards, hippie glasses...
fluteitup ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:48:52 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In the music world when we have a return to something that happened before it's "Neo" so "Neo-Hipster"?
Th3R00ST3R ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:51:38 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's called thinning the herd. Don't want to get vaccinated...fine by me.
Pavotine ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:08:51 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bad for "Herd immunity" though no?
BoristheDrunk ยท 69 points ยท Posted at 17:34:20 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only one hip though, he lost the other to Polio...
RIP Hip.
so-cold ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:24:28 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's a hipter.
Nickbotic ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:06:12 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hip
Hopis deadCeilea ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:56:08 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where tf is your next nosleep quit slackin'
Vague_Disclosure ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:09:19 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I got polio after it was cured
AmericanoFaggoto ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:10:41 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have shittyparentinganalbloodlygutsyndrome, but you probably have not heard of it.
queen_laqweefah ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:37:02 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have heard of it, and I had it way before you and I think you're just saying this for attention! Poser!
corship ยท 60 points ยท Posted at 16:53:10 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A true snowflake.
Chilly_Moe ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:31:49 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That isn't a snowflake, that is ignorance.
KorianHUN ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:49:50 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nope, true snowflake. As in, his child will be as fragile as a snowflake, and just a little touch (= illness) will kill the child.
anamoirae ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:37:11 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not necessarily. The ones who get sick easily are the kids who are never gt to build up an immune system. The ones who live in immaculately clean houses where everything is disinfected, who bathe and wash hands with anti-bacterial soap, and those that live in little bubbles their parents make to keep their kids away from germs, they are the ones who are fragile.
Kids get a strong immune system playing in dirt, having animals around, and not getting washed every time they get the tiniest bits of grime on them. However, even kids with a strong immune system aren't immune from diseases they have never encountered. That is why vaccinations are so important.
As a parent of an Autistic child (man now) I always find the anti-vaxxers to be selfish people who can't stand the thought of a flawed kid so much they would put their own children at risk for an early death from preventable diseases. I would much rather have my son as he is now than have him six feet in the ground.
KorianHUN ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:35:39 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nothing to add, good comment, 100% agreed.
I assume you raised him well then, so you did a good job with that too. Not all people are good as parents.
anamoirae ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:24:31 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for that. I wish I could take all the credit, but he is pretty determined and has worked hard to get a job and a bit more independence. I wouldn't trade him for the world.
cntu ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:30:39 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know that you're joking but that's not how simply vaccinations work, just in case someone else is looking.
By not being vaccinated you don't only risk getting the infection, disease or whatever yourself, but you risk infecting others that have not been vaccinated. When 95% of the population is vaccinated, they aren't only protecting themselves, but the other 5% as well because they are controlling the ability of the disease to spread.
All these anti-vaccination people don't realize this and they are going off "oh my children aren't vaccinated but they are healthy!" when in reality it's everyone else being vaccinated that is protecting their children.
cyphrr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:51:17 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I was joking, but you are 100% right.
God forbid that child goes to a foreign country and gets something that's easily vaccinated against. I wonder if said parent would be at all guilty for their choice.
kenda1l ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:29:44 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously. Hope they never want to go to any country that requires vaccinations.
List of recommended vax:
Hepatitis A
Hepatitis B
Typhoid and paratyphoid fever
Meningococcal disease
Yellow Fever
Rabies
Japanese Encephalitis
Yellow fever is actually required to travel to some parts of Africa, and the meningococcal vax is required in Saudi Arabia to participate in the pilgrimage to Mecca.
And this is all assuming that you are up to date on both your childhood and adult vaccinations, which these kids wouldn't be.
Source: http://www.webmd.com/vaccines/features/travel-vaccines
Edit: formatting
Thugnificent646 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:21:39 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want them designer diseases. I want the cancer to metastasize into a gucci logo.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:20:51 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not like those other boys. I can give you whooping cough and measles
raudssus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:32:40 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No panic, he is not alone for long then ;-)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:02:55 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cool bro. I've Been Polio-ing since 07' HBU?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:28:26 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Autism is way too common now
xbruja ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:28:43 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's cool to possibly infect and murder children smaller than me. Duuurp.
crapbag451 ยท 429 points ยท Posted at 16:41:38 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Both of my kids are vaccinated. We like to live dangerously.
yhack ยท 218 points ยท Posted at 19:07:04 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sad to say that your kids will die, but not for fucking ages
crapbag451 ยท 87 points ยท Posted at 19:51:46 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude. Brutal truth is brutal.
kenda1l ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 20:50:38 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone who has ever had a vaccination has died or will die. GET THE TRUTH OUT THERE!
OktoberSunset ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:25:12 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, you don't know that, those kids could be into dangerous extreme sports.
JuniorSeniorTrainee ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:53:23 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your autism bill is going to be huuuuuuuuuge.
crapbag451 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:59:07 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously. I've rolled the dice and had them repeatedly vaccinated. As an unschooled untrained statistician, i presume they have like a 480% chance of it now.
ThePorcupineWizard ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:08:35 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No worries, I'll take 470% for me and you can keep the other 10%
brucetwarzen ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:58:20 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Three of them have autism.
kataskopo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:00:16 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope they die... of old age surrounded by their loves ones!
arobtheknob ยท 1195 points ยท Posted at 16:56:39 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I give lots of vaccinations. I see a lot of sore arms. Do you know what I don't see a lot of? Polio.
If you love your kids vaccinate.
[deleted] ยท 564 points ยท Posted at 18:39:59 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As a mother, I should have the right to decide which fatal/debilitating yet preventable disease gets to come roaring back.
CyanideSeashell ยท 242 points ยท Posted at 18:45:13 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think Small Pox deserves it's time in the sun. Who's with me?
larsdk99 ยท 99 points ยท Posted at 19:11:02 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How's a tiny little pox ever going to hurt anyone?
Ten-Blade ยท 115 points ยท Posted at 19:17:30 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Personally, I'm only scared of getting Large Pox.
_breadpool_ ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:23:08 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Medium pox is okay though. Just some mild discomfort. Maybe death. Who knows.
dylanus93 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:57:37 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not so fun fact: 'Great Pox' is an old term for syphilis.
skinnypod ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:25:36 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I may be wrong, but wasn't small pox "small" in comparison to the plague, being the "large pox"? Because of the rashes they caused or something.
Subalpine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:35:47 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it can't be worse than chicken pox, right??
andrewshepherdlego ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:11:45 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's pronounced small cocks
httpdia ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:19:01 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
uhhhh later in life when they get shingles
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:58:46 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just in case: smallpox is an incredibly deadly disease humans managed to eradicate through vaccination.
sjthrowawayhey ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:34:22 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was just playing The Division 5 minutes ago.
Luigi1364Rewritten ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:30:05 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FTFY
Try-Again-Next-Time ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:09:09 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
small pox! Small Pox! SMALL POX!! SMALL POX!!!
shewhomustbeobeyed1 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:39:55 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I need a blanket.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:47:57 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, I got a nice scar on my shoulder that says it won't get me. Have at it society ๐
Semicolon_Expected ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:25:16 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Put smallpox in the game! It hasn't gotten to play for 40 years!
(Last known smallpox outbreak was in 1977 in Somalia)
redheadedalex ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:35:05 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't that one extinct?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:59:02 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In the wild.
VoidWalker4Lyfe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:27:31 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm down. got my vaccination, let natural selection take its course.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:07:46 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
dont mention that shit even joking. smallpox killed a lot of my ppl it has a been a pain in the ass in the last 500 years for my ppl
mcq316 ยท 96 points ยท Posted at 19:09:35 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And as the owner of my car, I should have the right to drive it to its maximum speed.
But as a member of society, we forego certain liberties for the greater, collective good.
author_dreamweaver ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:52 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The greater good
DougFane ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 19:28:07 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's a very dangerous stance to take. I'm all for vaccinations, and I think anti-vaxxers are retarded, but you're literally suggesting we don't have the right to bodily autonomy. Nobody should be stabbing you with a needle without your consent.
mcq316 ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 19:35:08 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed. But to be included in society, that consent needs to be given. Is it California that won't let kids into schools without vaccinations or an exemption from a licensed medical doctor?
It's not about forcing the vaccinations. It's about prohibiting those who refuse to put the rest of us at risk. You won't be stabbed without your consent, but if you choose to go that route, of not vaccinating, you will be segregated from society in certain ways because the rest of us know that we're safer when we do consent.
kenda1l ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 20:41:56 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, California is like that. I had to start middle school late because my mom, who was in Colorado and had my records, forgot to send them.
I was honestly shocked to find out not all states require vaccinations for public school, because I just assumed they did, like mine does.
DougFane ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:38:38 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That I'm totally okay with, because as you said it's more a case of voluntary segregation. But it's absolutely their right to self segregate in that manner if they so choose.
Pm_me_baby_pig_pics ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:35:52 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The preschool I just enrolled my toddler in won't let kids attend if they don't have their shots, unless they have a real, legitimate reason for not getting them. Little Tommy is immunocompromised? He can come. Little Suzy's mom thinks the vaccines are scary? No preschool for her.
I hate getting my kids shots. I hate it so much, but I'd hate having to get them a tiny wheelchair or tiny coffin more, and if another kid got sick because of something I could help prevent, but didn't, I don't think I could forgive myself. I've got a very fussy baby right now, because he got 5 vaccines yesterday, but a few days of fussy grumpy baby is nothing compared to a lifetime of disability from a preventable virus.
CecilFieldersChoice ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:59:56 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True but I think we need civically-minded virtuous citizens making educated decisions that benefit society.
DougFane ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:09:07 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not arguing with you on that, but the comment I was replying to very strongly implied that they should not have the right to refuse vaccinations. That's what I had an issue with
arobtheknob ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:45:14 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah yes after your 20 minutes of research on the internet please tell me about how the vaccine side effects are worse the the life threatening disease they prevent.
Edit: I see that you are all experts in sarcasm but missed the fact that too was using sarcasm to continue the nice sarcasm streak we have going
kenda1l ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:49:06 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sadly, I had a conversation with someone actually in the health science field (peripherally, not directly) who is an anti-vaxxer. She kept going on about how the studies showing that vaccinations were helpful, and the ones showing no correlation between vax and autism were all badly done or done with money in mind, not health. But if course all the studies proving otherwise were impeccable. I never wanted to shake anyone harder and scream, "you're supposed to know better!"
Instead I just asked her if I could see her source material so I could determine how well the studies were done for myself. Surprise surprise, she hasn't ever gotten back to me about it.
shewhomustbeobeyed1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:24:14 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I got it, totally, you're cool.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:06:43 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't have kids. And I get vaccinated. Only vaccine I don't get anymore is the flu shot (I used to when I volunteered with old people because... duh)
HungarianMinor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:56:16 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/Woooosh
Kesha_Pauler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:06:59 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Vaccines prevent you from understanding sarcasm apparently
LavenderLullabies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:02:12 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They were being sarcastic.
RwmurrayVT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:13:40 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not the natives...
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:55:32 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not just a problem in human medicine, either. I rarely see vaccine reactions. You know what I do see a lot of? Parvovirus.
I also see a lot of animals die from heart worms, because people don't want to give their pets HW prevention because "chemicals", even though we live in the south and heart worms are spread by mosquitoes. I see so, so many heart worm cases. Then it's my fault that you're now having to pay for a very expensive treatment that may or may not save their life. Yeah, you hate "chemicals", but now you're fine with me giving your pet "chemicals" in the form of heart worm treatment . Not all "chemicals" are bad. You know what IS bad? Heart worms, and those are natural. Viruses are natural. Diseases are natural, but that doesn't mean them good.
ThePorcupineWizard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:06:24 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have a dog who had Heart worms, and I had another recently passed away from old age that used to have heart worms. We have them their meds until the vets said they were good. You can worry about chemicals when there aren't worms on your dog's heart.
fyrstorm180 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:53:16 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ftfy
There are reasons why people spend years in school for qualification, are required to have licenses, publish studies, provide proof in their research, etc. The reason isn't because they're eager to be proven wrong by some Internet-Science warrior with the mental dexterity equivalent to a potato. These are the people who get their information from improper sources or false authorities (who lack the proper knowledge and aptitude to know what they're talking about).
To discredit generations of research is to intentionally ignore facts for nobody's benefit. It's even more absurd and disingenuous to blatantly ignore the facts only until they prove to be useful.
ThePorcupineWizard ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:11:50 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, I agree with you. Just trying to say those people have their priorities wrong.
fyrstorm180 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:56:49 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It wasn't specifically directed at you; I was displeased with the notion.
WowYouAreIgnorant ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:12:04 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I vaccinated his anus with my penetrating needle so hard that I smashed his pelvis and lower spinal column thus rendering his legs lame as if he contracted polio.
arobtheknob ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:12:46 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is the correct vaccination method. Good. Good.
citizenkane86 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:16:45 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love the newer conspiracy theory they have now that no one ever died from polio and there were no long term effects from having the disease.
Nightwing300 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:47:35 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In india, I wish I could say the same. I genuinely can't understand why people wanna bring that horror back in the western world.
CatButtJones ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:51 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who pays you to lie to us?
Pm_me_baby_pig_pics ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:27:40 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My 4 month old just got his round of shots yesterday. It's been a rough two days, and sometimes I really wish I didn't need to put him through these days of feeling like shit when he doesn't even understand why he feels so bad.
But I'd feel worse for him if he needed a tiny wheelchair or coffin because I didn't get him his shots. I'd rather a few days of grumpy fever baby than a lifetime of crippled or dead baby.
arobtheknob ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:30:56 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did you do Tylenol pre-shots? It really helps with fussiness. Plan on dosing for 48 hours after next time along with some warm baths. Unfortunately, some babies just handle vaccinations poorly but, you are absolutely right! You are doing what is best for him!
Pm_me_baby_pig_pics ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:15:35 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We gave our older son Tylenol before every round of vaccines, but this one had his first cold a few days before this round of shots, and I didn't want to mask a fever if he was still running a low grade temp, so we skipped the Tylenol this time. He spits moist of the Tylenol out anyway, so I don't know that he actually gets any anyways...
Warm baths for him to kick his sore legs in have been so helpful, but at night all he wants to do is sleep pressed against me belly-to-belly with my boob in his mouth, when he usually sleeps great in his own bed. But I'm ok going a bit with minimal sleep if it means he gets better sleep +vaccines.
Volfgang91 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:47:20 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And how much do big pharma pay you to give them, you shill????
DonGamerGuy ยท 449 points ยท Posted at 16:44:50 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I got vaccinated, i'm full blown autistic now. I have a license, am self employed and can dress and feed myself.
S0F4king_clever ยท 224 points ยท Posted at 16:54:02 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think you mean "artistic"
DonGamerGuy ยท 199 points ยท Posted at 16:57:52 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol, i am a musician.
DH_MKE ยท 258 points ยท Posted at 17:21:48 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nothing is worse than finding out late in life that you are an artist. Damn vaccines, ruined your life!
DonGamerGuy ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 17:47:49 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How unfortunate.
melperz ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:28:51 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can you play Wonderwall please?
DonGamerGuy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:58:27 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes I can.
kenda1l ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:51:33 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Better an artist than an addict; that's what vaccines made me. Now I can't get enough of them, and I need my fix!
[deleted] ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 17:38:49 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought you were a gamer guy?
Mastur_Of_Bait ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 17:45:22 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He is a man of many talents
JanMichaelVincent16 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:47:01 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is baiting your only mastery?
Mastur_Of_Bait ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:38:23 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also masturbating
itekk ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:25:31 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A jerk of all trades even.
DonGamerGuy ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 17:46:37 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Both lol.
pigwalk5150 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:52:21 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He has mastered guitar hero.
DonGamerGuy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:16:48 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Always hated guitar hero. My buddy got rock smith to learn guitar, but, the game has some sort of built in curve so when I played it, it put the difficulty too high for him lol.
MarcTheMerchant ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:56:23 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's a gay mer-guy?
curbstickle ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:04:13 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only immediately after vaccinations and when near those gay frogs. Or a really hot dude.
TrumpIsAFatty ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:10:23 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe he's just really good at Guitar Hero or something?
omnipotentfly ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:21:50 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gaming IS art.
FracMental ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:49:01 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dyslexic musican
DonGamerGuy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:17:18 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
From the autism needles
arrow74 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:08:28 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You deal with dead people all day
DonGamerGuy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:15:57 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, it's the worst.
SocialWinker ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:25:39 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nope, he said he could feed himself, can't be an artist.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:36:52 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Damn sorry to hear about your crippling responsibilities.
DonGamerGuy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:43:01 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks. It helps knowing someone out there cares.
OktoberSunset ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:28:35 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What government agency issues autism licences and is there a test?
DonGamerGuy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:20:54 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Canadian. It's a gender.
MN_hydroplane ยท 498 points ยท Posted at 17:03:09 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am constantly flabbergasted (underused word btw) at the assertion that vaccines are correlated with autism.
By the logic of anti-vaxxers, we should never let kids get older, since being a teenager seems to cause suicide.
Imawildedible ยท 387 points ยท Posted at 17:54:37 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Damn. My kid turns 13 in a couple months. Do I kill him now to protect him from teen suicide or is there another way around it?
rand0mpers0n12 ยท 113 points ยท Posted at 18:03:09 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Two options, kill him or put him in a plastic bubble until he is an adult.
Pavotine ยท 82 points ยท Posted at 18:11:08 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Make sure there's an breathing hole though. You don't want your teenager running out of air.
Farncomb_74 ยท 161 points ยท Posted at 18:37:11 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know man, 100% of people who breath air, die. You don't want him to catch death, do you? seal that shit up!
[deleted] ยท 61 points ยท Posted at 19:41:46 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stop breathing oxygen! Big Oxygen doesn't want you to look at the studies but they do show 100% of oxygen breathers die at some point. Start breathing Carbon Dioxide now!
kaisong ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:02:59 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Carbon dioxide is a subsidiary of oxygen. They're making profits off that too. I just breathe pure helium.
Cin77 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:30:00 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah! I thought your voice was like that because your balls haven't dropped yet
SoImProbablyDrunk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:37:38 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When I was an argumentative teenager I'd always make this argument and it's true. Breathing kills you. Stupid argument, but true all the same. Death is inevitable. Life kills you.
Divionix ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:31:14 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This made me actually laugh out loud. Bravo, good sir!
metastasis_d ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:31:46 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sinakus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:02:33 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To keep him from an heroing himself.
Pavotine ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:48:21 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ha! I originally typed "an air hole" but it sounded to0 much like arsehole so I changed it but forgot about the "an".
Grillard ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:35:51 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Air is full of toxins that cause autism.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:15:43 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most of the time.
Pavotine ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:46:23 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm totally with you. I have a 17 year old daughter. She never stops talking.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:16:57 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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fyrstorm180 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:58:02 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or, technically, a murderer. For all your hard work.
JeremyTheMVP ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:42:09 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you do part two, make sure not to get Trivial Pursuit cards with a missprint
Psarae ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:35:15 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like your thinking! Iโm anti-aging now. Maybe ageist? Itโs pithier.
No more teenagers!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:40:11 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Vaccinate him so he gets autism
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:08:47 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
give ur a kid a foreign prostitude not sure which one is worse
kenda1l ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:18:59 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But I know someone whose kid got the Auts after being vaccinated!!!1!
Simple and sad truth is, the end of the standard round of vaccinations corresponds with when autism starts to become more obvious (a large amount of autistic kids aren't diagnosed until 4 or older). The kid already had autism, the parents just didn't notice yet.
Another fun fact: the reason autism appears to be on the rise is because of the way autism is now diagnosed. Whereas before, it was one disorder among many types of mental disabilities, many of those types (ex: Asperger's, Child Disintegrative Disorder) are now classified along a spectrum under the umbrella of autism. That, combined with more awareness of autism in general, makes it look like a big spike happened. But no, clearly it's the vaccinations, duh.
Metalfros ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:49:17 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Besides the fact nothing is wrong with autism. I got a mild form myself and I turned out fine.
MN_hydroplane ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:20:52 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yeah you make a good point, there's also a much broader spectrum than there was just twenty years ago. It's becoming more and more evident that autism is fairly normal recessive trait that can range anywhere from severe to almost non-existent. Nobody on that spectrum, however, should feel like they are less human or somehow flawed in any way.
LukeCunningham ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:23:51 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But this isn't the logic of contemporary antivaxxers. Almost all protest to other aspects of vaccination and almost no one makes arguments based on autism.
MN_hydroplane ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:11:48 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you have some examples?
AppleCiderCinnamon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:46:51 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've heard a few claim that it causes cancer.
MN_hydroplane ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:06:44 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nothing really causes cancer, it just increases your statistical likelihood of getting cancer. Lots of things increase your likelihood of cancer, including sunlight, alcohol, and tobacco. So it is possible that vaccines contribute to higher cancer rates, but this is impossible to study since you would have to follow children from the time they get vaccines until they either get cancer or die. The problem is, since so many things increase likelihood of cancer, you can't possibly control all the variables in the study.
Even if you could control all the variables and conduct a useful study that showed an increase in cancer rates among vaccinated study participants compared to non-vaccinated, the death rate from all cancer cases in the US is currently 171 per 100k cases; that's less that 2/10ths of a percent. Polio, on the other hand, has a death rate 5% in children and as much as 30% in adults. Smallpox also kills at a staggering rate of 20-30%
Therefore, even if anti-vaxxers could show a link between cancer rates and vaccines, it is a stupid reason to not get vaccinated.
SouthernMedication ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:02:23 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You shouldn't be flabbergasted. Thimerosal was a mercury based additive used in vaccine preparation. To limit infants and children from mercury exposure (due to increase in number of vaccines being taken), the CDC and AAP basically told manufacturers to slowly stop using it. This was the initial spark of the reaction to vaccines. The link between autism and thimerosal was published in an actual study. It was about how the vaccine for measles/mumps/rubella was linked to children disorders like autism.That is where they are getting their assertion from.
What they don't realize is that the study was flawed. It was published in 1998, and we still can't replicate it or back it up, even though there have been subsequent studies. Correct Science requires the ability to reproduce results, and we can't reproduce the results of this study. 10 of the 12 people involved in the study backed out of its conclusions and later it was shown that the data was falsified purposefully. This is the study people are so reliantly citing when they say vaccines cause autism.
So no it is perfectly reasonable to understand why some people are mislead into thinking it causes autism. They were curious, googled a scientific study on it, and were shown an actual, yet terribly flawed study that they didn't know was flawed. The first step in getting anti-vaxxers to change their minds is to stop acting as if they are all idiots and show them exactly what has been misleading them this entire time, in full detail, while also being understanding of their concerns.
Most people say "but that study has been debunked dummy" and then expect someone to have a complete change in mind set. That won't work. Do the research with them. Show them that you are not there to look down on them, but to help them see the truth.
Source for the study: Kuby Immunology 7th Edition
MN_hydroplane ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:10:08 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's true, but it is also reasonable to expect adults to disregard information that was admittedly falsified. Anti-vaxxers go way beyond reasonableness and into a realm of almost religious fanaticism where they bitterly reject science and reason for no other purpose than to fight something at the expense of the future of our species.
You have a point there, but the fact that they are not willing to listen to their doctors and actually believe that their pediatricians are part of a conspiracy to inject children with autism-inducing poison, leads me to believe that they have little room for logic and reason in their lives.
I really understand where your coming from, and I'm a very compassionate person. However, I will not lower my standards for human reason and thought to accommodate such ridiculousness. I have no choice but to remain flabbergasted and hope that, eventually, the doctors and trained phsyicians can eventually get through to them.
It's not dumb or stupid to be ignorant of scientific data. However, it is dumb to ignore the advice of your doctor and risk the lives of thousands of children.
Source for the assertion of the religious-like fanaticism and rejection of medical science
coxpocket ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:56:46 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The craziest part, is it was ONE scientific study published stating vaccines could cause autism, which then was retracted (because the data interpretation was absurd) but the damage for public perception was done.
noodlyjames ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:08:57 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
See? If he hadn't been vaccinated he would have never been a teenager.
Katholikos ยท 169 points ยท Posted at 16:37:35 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She only loves him if he makes her look good, but if he's one of those burdensome children that needs "love and support", he's better off dead, apparently.
Kanadian_Space ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:50:26 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Soon he'll be posting in r/raisedbynarcissists
machenise ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:03:48 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here, love and support explicitly includes adequate medical care.
Ntshd ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:21:38 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You reminded me of something
motleysdead ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:18:06 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, apparently she's my mom too!
UsePasswordNamer ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 19:52:11 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow your insight is amazing. Can you do me a favour? Read your own comment like you're a stranger to yourself, and then post some more amazing insight about yourself! Or maybe you don't think you, you entire, can be picked apart by one comment, who knows.
Katholikos ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:57:51 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe half of your inane comment made sense. I was especially confused by this brain-vampire of a sentence:
Who knows what? What's "my entire"? Why did you start a sentence with "or", when that would imply the part of the sentence after it is being compared to the part of the sentence before it?
UsePasswordNamer ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 20:04:50 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck your reading comprehension. You understand that? And it was never a rule not to start a sentence with or or and. How was your reading comprehension with that one? Did you think it was slightly funny it clever? Don't bother answering, I don't care.
Next time, follow the instruction. Stop getting your dick stuck in your mouth.
candle_and_bra ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:07:00 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mate relax
Katholikos ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:23:31 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You seem very upset over the fact that you can't successfully navigate the complex art of writing a sentence.
Also, lol:
machenise ยท 51 points ยท Posted at 18:58:05 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm getting a stem cell/bone marrow transplant in a couple weeks. Months after that, I'll need to get all my vaccinations redone. If you don't hear from me by March, I've probably succumbed to sudden onset super autism.
jackloire ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:45:07 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FanFare Super Autism
logoster ยท 90 points ยท Posted at 18:26:44 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
seriously how is this shit legal?
"HERE LET ME JUST PUT MY CHILD IN DANGER BECAUSE I'M FUCKING STUPID"
Literally_A_Shill ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 21:54:02 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because it's what millions of American voters wanted.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/449525268529815552
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/507158574670573568
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AffuKjGV6BA
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-to-meet-with-proponent-of-debunked-tie-between-vaccines-and-autism/2017/01/10/4a5d03c0-d752-11e6-9f9f-5cdb4b7f8dd7_story.html
_youtubot_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:59:11 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Video linked by /u/Literally_A_Shill:
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logoster ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:41:51 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
technically, the american voters did in fact NOT vote for that, the electoral college did, and because the electoral college votes are all that matter in the end, we ended up with this shit
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:38:15 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's slowly becoming illegal, heard some countries in Europe started coming for not vaccinating
edit: fining*
fuckwad666 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:50:36 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is that supposed you say "fining"? Otherwise that doesn't sound like much of a punishment lol
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:58:33 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oops lol
Daring86 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:23:30 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Vaccines also cause adulthood. I'm still trying to cope with that diagnoses.
you_heet_canadian ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:35:28 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I. Love. Him...and his wheelchair. I mean who saw polio coming? Am I right?
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:53:22 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In fairness, it's not her kid that's going to die.
It's the newborn not old enough for a vaccine, and the immuno-compromised children who can't be immunized who will die from her negligence.
PhillMahooters ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:27:09 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It looks like he might already be autistic...
camoprinces3113 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:14:43 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree! Also it's sad that you had to explain this! Some people should not reproduce!
Divergent99 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:40:23 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It makes me sad that you had to clarify your point...
Hairy_Juan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:33:28 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's really sad that you had to explain your comment that thoroughly.
Anechoic_Brain ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:19:42 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As someone who has an autistic son, I get the joke completely. No clarification needed. Bitterly ironic joke, sure, but I get it. Just sayin.
ScottSaw ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:43:32 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hate how you had to explain this was a joke ๐
jjman070 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:02:40 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would love to see the reaction of the parents when they find out their kid is autistic even though they didn't vaccinate.
kenda1l ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:58:19 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They'll just find something else to blame it on, like pollutants, or chemicals or something.
agangofoldwomen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:09:16 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
wait. do anti-vaxxers think vaccinations cause autism as in like give you immediate autism? or do they think that over vaccination (whatever that means) has lead to an increase in autism over time?
Jackal_Kid ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:52:43 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The first one. They believe some ingredients in vaccines directly cause autism. Their favourite example, thimerosal, isn't even used in childhood vaccines in the US anymore, yet the incidence of autism has increased since then.
Simple-I ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:29:57 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea this. The only reason we have had an increase in autism, which usually develops around the same time that most children get vaccinated is because we have a better understanding and ability to test the spectrum not because of some random "mercury" based preservative. My wife WAS an anti-vaxxer simply because of that stupid 2 star Netflix show but I shut that shit down quick with some CDC reports and studies... ps sorry for shit grammar I am stoopid
WailersOnTheMoon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:03:56 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Keep fighting the good fight.
agangofoldwomen ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:15:46 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
oh... :(
philonius ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:24:29 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Our school system has utterly failed us. The average american is as superstitious and uneducated as any medieval peasant.
goodyeardxh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:00:32 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can't trust the man
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:51:24 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TrumpIsAFatty ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:09:44 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Somewhere, some idiot is going to read that sentence and think that vaccines cause autism.
i_made_a_poo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:26:26 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
More likely other kids will die because he was not vaccinated.
allhailbobevans ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:07:21 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even though if you get vaccinated neither of those things would happen to you.
asherdabasher ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:40:19 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My son is autistic and I read it as a joke. U understand what you mean.
loljetfuel ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:56:19 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, I don't blame people for making the decision not to vaccinate; there's a lot of really bad information out there, and it plays on parents' fundamental fears. I wish people wouldn't fall for it, but I can't put much blame on a parent for never having learned proper research skills, or for trusting the wrong people.
The people who advocate, though? Fuck them. Especially if they have a large platform, and extra especially if they have medical or scientific training. If you're going to tell people not to take a potentially life-saving treatment, you have a responsibility to have your fucking ducks in a row.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:49:21 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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NeoRevanchist ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:50:57 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed, that's why I went back and edited it to reflect my views on it as a couple of people seemed to be questioning the legitimacy of it. In hind sight you're right, not worth stirring up controversy and misinformation for the sake of a wee jokey joke.
rvalt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:33:22 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
IIRC he was also trying to sell his own vaccine, the autistic accusations were a way to discredit the competition.
unusualyardbird ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:47:37 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds logical.
Meghan1230 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:11:34 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
starts new plague
Phooey-Kablooey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:06:13 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FDR had the polio and he did alright.
I_bape_rats ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:14:39 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This. Is. Everything
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:28:07 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He probably is Autistic already though
Rock23L ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:32:50 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't give your kids vaccines but please by all means let your kids keep eating fast food. It has enough preservatives and antibiotics to keep them healthy. ๐
nhjb1034 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:04:15 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Any day of the week man. FINALLY someone is talking my language in this subreddit
Ja_sam_budala ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:21:18 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone knows an unvaccinated child has a 0% chance to be autistic same applies for their chances of living
Whydoismellbacon2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:25:08 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If during the course of prenatal care you discovered the child had a life debilitating condition and all options were on the table what would you do?
Imissmyusername ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:52:42 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My sister thinks they cause autism but she also believes some essential oils will keep the autism away. She vaccinates her kid then puts oils on him for a week. The two crazies are kinda cancelling each other out, she's still vaccinating at least.
Peachy88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:57:14 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My son got vaccinated and you know what those awful vaccines did!?
He had a fever for 2 days, stayed home, ate some ice cream and watched cartoons with his daddy. It's awful, tell your friends, vaccines lead to ice cream and cartoons.
notsowise23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:19:05 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can completely understand why people don't trust medical science considering the amount of bullshit that's spread today in just about every subject. These parents grew up attending DARE classes in school, how do you expect them to trust what they're told?
ultine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:09:02 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What was wrong with DARE? Didn't work for you?
ChibiLlama ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:04:58 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even worse is that Vaccines will make your hair turn gray, you'll get wrinkles, and you'll likely be taking even more medications later than you would be before you take the vaccines!
Aging is terrible guys. And vaccines are a leading cause in it.
treegardner84 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:41:37 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I homeschool so I know a lot of anti-vaxxers, but none of the ones I know believe vaccines cause autism. I know that's how a lot of this started, but I don't know how popular this argument is anymore. Most I know are concerned about "toxins" and "destroying the body's natural immune system."
xbruja ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:28:08 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not only that but she's lying. Nowhere in the U.S can your child go to school without vaccinations. I'm not one to preach who should breed and who shouldn't but I sure as hell hope she doesn't have anymore children.
B52CREW ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:08:27 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. Dr will be lying when he tells the parents Polio isn't that big a deal.
IronChefAndronicus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:07:39 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry you had to clarify that bro :(
sirixamo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:35:04 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do we need to quantify it like this? Do we say "I myself believe that gravity exists" or "I myself believe that my eyes are real"? Vaccines don't cause autism. Period.
Nail_Biterr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:50:42 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if there were a vaccine against autism?
theatog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:00:24 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even if you DO rather be autistic than dead, vaccination doesn't even give you that. so...
thebbc79 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:18:39 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Autism is all the latest rage!
MrSinnerHere ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:16:38 on September 2, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The have distanced themselves from the diseases. Though i will say I'd rather a freshly produced vaccine than one with the preservatives.
4DimensionalToilet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:25:05 on September 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Better Dead than Sped!"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:27:27 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Not_A_Korean ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:12:37 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Damn.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:06:32 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Depends. How autistic?
Cautistralligraphy ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:33:37 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right, there's a cutoff point where we should be euthanizing children for being too autistic, amirite????
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:54:23 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No silly, we need to vaccinate them!
Cautistralligraphy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:14:15 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But we've already been vaccinated. Otherwise we wouldn't be autistic, right?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:32:21 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No... it's an autism vaccine.
Cautistralligraphy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:36:34 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Woah.... would the autism vaccine simultaneously cause and cure autism??? Leaving the patient forever left in a vaccinated paradox world where nothing makes sense, yet everything is perfectly clear?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:46:28 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. This is how Trump voters are made.
Cautistralligraphy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:11:48 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit. I had always wondered how it was possible to be that deluded.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:08:02 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Science, bitch!
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:48:19 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dead how?
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:29:49 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:07:52 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am pro-vaccine, but I've never seen cases of death due to not being vaccinated in the US.
WailersOnTheMoon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:06:56 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you serious?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:30:36 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
100%. Try to find confirmed deaths due to not vaccinating in the USA, it's tricky. I am still looking.
WailersOnTheMoon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:53:04 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can help with this: I may have wound up being one were it not for surgical intervention.
Right now there is a generation of women in the US who are young enough to not yet have settled down when HPV rates started getting really bad, but were already too old when the Gardasil vaccine came out.
A majority of people contract HPV at some point these days. Most people's bodies clear it. Some dont, and there are several strains that will give you cancer if not caught and treated in time.
I'm married now and was never particularly "wild," but I was diagnosed with essentially stage 0 cancer (CIN III) two years ago. Went from normal pap test to "we can't rule out cancer" in 13 months.
If I had been able to get the Gardasil vaccine, none of this would have happened. The cutoff for the vaccine was age 26, though, and by then I had probably already been exposed.
With very few exceptions, you cannot get cervical cancer without HPV. The Gardasil vaccine prevents the HPV strains that cause cancer. Ergo, the vast majority of women who are dying of cervical cancer right now are dying because they were not vaccinated.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:57:44 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Happy to hear you are OK, yes I would say this is a critical vaccine. My mistake 100%, I somehow assumed the person meant vaccines to be given to babies. I think the age for this vaccine is 9 in girls? I would hope all get this one.
WailersOnTheMoon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:56:23 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No worries, a lot of people don't think about this since its a lot newer than polio, measles etc. and (typically) doesn't affect children. But definitely make sure your children get Gardasil!
My daughter is getting it as soon as she is old enough, and it infuriates me that parents are turning it down as a show of certainty that their children will remain abstinent.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:06 on September 2, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For sure. That said, is there some place I can go online to see confirmed proof of deaths in US children due to not being vaccinated with the vaccines which are a major component of this larger conversation? ( MMR polio etc ) My tough spot is everyone I encounter against vaccines says there's no data to support this claim of deaths in US children, and I must say google is not my friend in this regard ( or I just don't know what to look for )
with much thanks
WailersOnTheMoon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:23:21 on September 2, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There was a measles outbreak awhile back and I believe some children died. (i would look but my Wi-Fi here is garbage.)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:03:41 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:30:51 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes I do not mean by personal witness.
PrestigeMaster ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:09:07 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, are you saying vaccines cause autism? Is there proof to this?
[deleted] ยท -26 points ยท Posted at 16:53:49 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Reetgeist ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 17:02:39 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
GJ theres no link between vaccines and autism what so fucking ever then, really ;)
nachtwyrm ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 17:13:56 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i guess you are lucky that your parents felt differently.
dreeder22 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:28:30 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can imagine you'll be just an amazing parent
HungarianMinor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:00:20 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The world rather have a dead /u/Spankerss than a retard /u/Spankerss
HelHathNoFury ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:05:47 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have two boys with autism. Both are intelligent, articulate and easy going boys who do well at school. My eldest plays team sports and is a popular, well mannered boy who comes top of his class and has been flagged as gifted by the national educational board. The youngest has a sky high IQ and writes book length stories for fun, as well as having mathematical skills years ahead of his age and an amazing sense of humour
Compared to my autistic boys you're the one who seems retarded...
Spankerss ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 19:26:58 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good for you, I couldn't do it. I would put em up for adoption
IgnorantGunOwner ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:01:01 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure autism develops before birth.
Also, when this next generation of unvaccinated folk succumb to smallpox, the average intelligence of our population will skyrocket, making things better for us all.
I'll always remember these brave anti-vaxers' sacrifice.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:27:36 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
its funny how much of this sociopolitical bickering is just that...
"some terrible thing that was said" -the other side, probably
ForceBlade ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:25:08 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/CancerousEdits nobody didn't get it.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:56:05 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Read them comments boy
FearrMe ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:40 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
why are you implying that vaccines cause autism
lionhex2017 ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 18:38:44 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well while vaccines do not cause autism, you are right.. Better dead than autistic
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:08:49 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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lionhex2017 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:57:12 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well if it helps bro autism isn't anything really. It is a retarded sociologist defined "spectrum". Spend a day with a Ph.D. Sociologist and you'll realize they're all quacks.
If you're depressed that's one thing. But don't let an artificial diagnosis defined by pseudoscience be the reason for or contribute to your feelings.
fuckspezintheass ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:09:23 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tbh, is it not? I mean if he turns out dead or autistic I'd rather start over with a new one.
Cautistralligraphy ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:30:17 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Today I learned that it would be better if I were dead and that my parents should have tossed me out and let me starve so they could start over to get a normal kid. Huh, cool.
fuckspezintheass ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:16:58 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, you wouldn't be better off. I apologize if my comment was misleading. EVERYBODY ELSE specifically your parents would be better off. I didn't even give a thought about the kid (you) in this situation.
Cautistralligraphy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:09:55 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, I'm pretty sure if you asked my parents they'd let you know that you're wrong about that too. Emphatically.
fuckspezintheass ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:00:48 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mmhmm, good you have that optimism
Cautistralligraphy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:28:30 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, considering that I wasn't diagnosed until college, I'd say my parents were pretty happy with who I was as a child. See, I agreed with you back when I was suicidal, and they were sure to let me know that they wouldn't have their lives any other way. So I'm pretty sure of that little tidbit.
fuckspezintheass ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:26:21 on September 2, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course they'd say that, do you expect you parents to tell you that you SHOULD kill yourself? Unless of course they're pieces of shit lol
Cautistralligraphy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:07:31 on September 2, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unless they're you, you mean? I'm curious as to what you think of all of the inventions, discoveries, and other contributions made by autistic people. Do you use a Mac or a PC? Pretty much anything from Silicon Valley? A fan of ghostbusters or Tim Burton's movies? Do you like music the way it is? Because it wouldn't have been here without Mozart. A fan of Tesla? A fan of Einstein? I just don't understand how you think the world and society as a whole would be better off without autistic individuals.
fuckspezintheass ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:38:55 on September 2, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I'm not your parents, so I don't have to lie to you.
So now you're comparing yourself to people of actual value, come on now. You did a good job of proving your autism by posting these long replies to someone being a dick. And you really threw in Tim Burton? I didn't even know he had autism, but that would explain why he's such a terrible fucking director
Cautistralligraphy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:49:42 on September 2, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well fuck, now that I've been found out I should finally just go ahead and kill myself. How do you suggest I go about this?
fuckspezintheass ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:56:31 on September 2, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So now you are getting my words twisted in your lil autistic brain.
It's an opportunity cost problem.
Do I go forward with this autistic kid who could turn out to be a shitty director like Tim Burton? Possibly "ruining" any semblance of my life and goals in favor of raising this lil autistic baby.
Or do I just chuck it in the garbage disposal and start fresh? Possibly might even turn out worse than having an autistic kid, but also has a better possibility of turning out better!
Can you not think of any reason at all why a parent would want to abort their kid?
Edit: Also, I know this makes me look a lil autistic, but it's really fucking dumb to say "do you use a MAC or PC?" Macs are PCs...
Cautistralligraphy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:45:40 on September 2, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The thing is that autism usually isn't diagnosed until a few years into the child's life at the earliest. I'm pro-choice, so it's a bit presumptuous of you to assume that I don't understand the reasoning behind abortion. I'm in favor of abortion for cases in which it's obvious that the child will never lead a normal life early in the pregnancy. But autism isn't detectable in the womb, and many autistic people grow up to lead perfectly normal lives. By the time the child is diagnosed, the parents are attached. If no parent ever found value in raising a child with autism, why do so many do so regardless?
It's fairly obvious you have no idea what you're talking about. Either that or you're being intentionally ignorant of the realities of what autism is. If you really want people to start killing their 3-year-olds, you're going to have to do a better job of being acquainted with the facts. Otherwise nobody's ever going to listen to you and you have to keep being uncomfortable around people who are slightly different than you.
Edit: I usually find it easy to ignore trolls and idiots, but every single post is a new level of ignorance and hatred above the last. It's fascinating.
fuckspezintheass ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:04:38 on September 3, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you talking about yourself? You're taking a troll seriously even though you know I'm a troll... what do you expect to accomplish here? Oooooh yeah, the autism thing.
Cautistralligraphy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:04:20 on September 3, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, that earlier comment wasn't true. I'm talking to you because I'm still suicidal. I come very close very frequently. Talking to you is like listening to my constant self-abuse. At this point it's just a reaction. Deep down I know you're right about everything. I want to end it so fucking bad but my parents do love me. I can't do that to them. But you're right. I am a worthless piece of shit who should never have been born. So we really haven't gotten anywhere since I agreed with you the whole time. It's just like I think that if I can get you to say "well, okay, haha, I was just kidding" all of my problems will go away, but nope. The only way to make that happen is to actually go through with killing myself. So you can go and tell your friends that you triumphed over the stupid autistic guy and made him want to kill himself even more. Whatever. If it makes you happy at least that's something I can do right.
fuckspezintheass ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:32:04 on September 3, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
While I get that, you should know this whole time, that I have been joking. And I just admitted that in the last few comment. Plus, I quite obviously pointed out to you that I was talking about from a parents perspective with a child, not someone like you who is an adult and is clearly functional. Do I really think Tim Burton should kill himself because he's a shitty director in my opinion? No. Do I think you should kill yourself just because you claim your autistic? Come on man, it's just internet shit talk
Unless you're baiting me into feeling empathy/sympathy/regret then congrats I did think for several seconds shit what if this guy kills himself. No one REALLY wants that, man.
Cautistralligraphy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:32:49 on September 3, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, I just really don't like arguing with people and wanted to tell the truth so we could stop. I didn't know you were joking, since I'm really bad at picking up sarcasm. I just reacted so strongly because this is all shit that I tell myself constantly and it was just like trying to tell myself not to believe myself. I'm not going to kill myself, unfortunately. I can't, I have plenty of people in my life who would be devastated, so no need to worry about that. Sorry I've wasted your time.
fuckspezintheass ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:19:43 on September 5, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope you beat that shit man, I know it's hard. Sorry to put you in further agony just so I get a couple chuckles
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:16:51 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But you don't have a child so who fucking cares what you think?
Xtortion08 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:59:28 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, yes, but let's not split hairs here.
coldxrain ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 17:31:24 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, how autistic we talking?
Edit: Sarcasm people.
NeoRevanchist ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:43:00 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
7
coldxrain ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:12:33 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yikes.
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 17:50:16 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
r/killthosewhodisagree
ArmdaddyRox ยท 2358 points ยท Posted at 15:17:26 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Vaccinations have all this bad stuff" eats candy bar
jellybellybean2 ยท 742 points ยท Posted at 15:49:43 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My anti-vax relatives in a nutshell with a nougaty center.
IAmNotJoshua ยท 116 points ยท Posted at 18:49:48 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Melts in your hands, not in your pants!
DankeyKang11 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:20:41 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have a strong suspicion you are Joshua.
jifPBonly ยท 225 points ยท Posted at 15:58:56 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
snorts cocaine
Pops some molly
The mom of course!!!
Maximum_Burnination ยท 110 points ยท Posted at 18:51:41 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey man didn't you hear they approved MDMA for treating PTSD? Microdosing under supervision of a therapist is totally the same as dropping five points and grinding the top half of my teeth off every weekend. I'm basically just eating a lot of kale.
Cassaowna ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 19:02:01 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey I think we can agree both options are fucking awesome
crackrockfml ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:39:00 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here here. In fact I'd hazard to say that any option with mdma is good.
thetimeisentropy ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:14:28 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't you hear though? They cut down trees for mdma and it's bad for the environment. Just do meth it's pretty much the same but it lasts longer and makes you completely narcissistic and pleasure seeking so you'll forget all about vaccinations and possible children you have while you're going down the rabbit hole repeating unnecessary tasks while masturbating. Self love though, amiright
WrongPeninsula ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:17:47 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. Cannabis helped a guy with back pain so it's totally the same if I do bong hits every hour and waste away my life in front of my Playstation.
(Before you downvote, I am not being sarcastic. I am sadly just describing of my own thought processes and justifications of my behaviour.)
jeegte12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:20:34 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you could call it a waste, but there's not really anything else you'd be doing with your time that's much better.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:29:08 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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jifPBonly ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:43:32 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eats vegan. Parties for two weeks at burning man. Balance ๐
Gshep1 ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 18:26:56 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds about right. This kid at work always feels like shit and has no idea why, but I see him knock back 3 bags of candy, a couple sodas, and various other junk before lunch.
Vaztes ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 18:49:28 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why do I "munches on chips" always seem to be so tired? I just "sips coca cola" don't know how that burps is possible.
I mean I constantly brag about only getting 5-6 hours a sleep and exercise? ahah, what's that. i-it's a mysterty im tellin' you.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:31:17 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
[Overriding reddit comments]
ArmdaddyRox ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:08:01 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No problem
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:26:21 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
turns pale
XirallicBolts ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:40:31 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Meanwhile, the chlorine in your table salt doesn't bother them
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:41:20 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"vaccines are bad" feeds kid McDonald's
oh ok
DorkJedi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:41:20 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
takes a drag off cigarette
plazzman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:41:07 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
pops valium
SeveralPeople ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:51:17 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Okay so does that disprove that there isn't bad stuff in the vaccinations?
pr0_noscoper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:55:17 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like most anti-vax idiots think that the fact that they put small amounts of the virus into their child means that vaccines are slowly killing your child. Obviously these people have never had any sort of medical training, much less gone to medical school.
InsanityFodder ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:07:48 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not even medical training, this shit is high school level biology
pr0_noscoper ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:44:25 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Its first grade, spongebob"
PoopEater10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:56:11 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Candy bars don't cause autism... right?
redditating_ ยท 3429 points ยท Posted at 14:14:40 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Her 7 year old was at the monkey bars calling bullshit on global warming.
madmaxturbator ยท 844 points ยท Posted at 15:40:32 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also seems to be a rather theatric storyteller. When he was regaling his mom with his tale of trouncing a foolish vaxxer, he let her know
"Upon receiving this blessing of knowledge, the poor lad lost all color from his face..."
ImAOneTrackLover ยท 178 points ยท Posted at 17:12:21 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Technically she could have been there and witnessed this, but it's bullshit either way.
hickgorilla ยท 69 points ยท Posted at 18:58:01 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was because the diseases were already entering his body from his non vaccinated friend.
[deleted] ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 18:16:33 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Literally_A_Shill ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:58:22 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A young Donald Trump. And, I guess by direct link, the millions who voted for him and his agenda.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/449525268529815552
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/507158574670573568
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AffuKjGV6BA
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-to-meet-with-proponent-of-debunked-tie-between-vaccines-and-autism/2017/01/10/4a5d03c0-d752-11e6-9f9f-5cdb4b7f8dd7_story.html
And on Climate Change. -
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/418542137899491328
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/349973299889057792
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/316252016190054400
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https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/488825209189711873
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https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/416539702096052224
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/338429342646423553
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/402217536751951872
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https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/314744479821205505
Qwirk ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 17:34:10 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well that explains why shit was being flung through the air.
vgdiv ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:49:26 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
.. and when he done playing he went back to the Oval Office
RamenJunkie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:58:52 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also bullshit on the round Earth theory.
1jl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:28:27 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Global? Uh, ok, the Earth is flat! Do your research!
PrivateCaboose ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:39:30 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You should have been there when their baby had their first words!
"N....NNN...."
"Oh what's he going to say? Nana?"
"NNNNINE EWEVEN WAS AN INSIDE JOB!"
CrumpetsElite ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:46:19 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can you post that, or give me the subreddit based in her post
JuniorSeniorTrainee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:55:07 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only a round earther would believe in global warming.
admiralfrosting ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:18:31 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's funny is the anti vaxer community, from what I've noticed, are big believers in climate change.
Taste_the__Rainbow ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:59:19 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're outdated then. Vaccine denial has shifted to the right hard.
StartTheMontage ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:38:26 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Climate change denial is very Right Wing extremists, anti-vax is more Left Wing extremists
admiralfrosting ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:40:17 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Horseshoe theory in action.
BoltonSauce ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:16:32 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Really extreme people on the left and right have more in common with each other than they do with center-left and center-right. Unfortunately, it seems that the Right is falling further into the extreme side. The Democratic Party is centrist at best.
philonius ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:32:36 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dumbshit theory as well.
ShardsOfReality ยท 1963 points ยท Posted at 13:39:53 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I seriously doubt an 11 year old could even say the names of half the ingredients while reading them off a list, let alone from memory.
squamesh ยท 1126 points ยท Posted at 15:22:02 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My girlfriend's step brother is nine and her step mom is a crazy person (she's a sweet lady but she believes just about every conspiracy theory, is involved with half a dozen MLMs despite being poor, believes in homeopathy/crystals/magic healing...).
We were having lunch one day and my girlfriends dad mentioned that he's on a health kick. Unprovoked, the nine year old said, "speaking of health, don't get vaccines. Just don't get them! They have mercury and lots of toxins that will make you sick!"
It's crazy what kids will pick up from their parents, and it's really sad when what they're picking up is misguided, dangerous nonsense.
Meloetta ยท 338 points ยท Posted at 16:07:51 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even if it's good, it's used for evil in the hands of not-fully-developed children
I flushed all the aspirin and over the counter medication after DARE taught me that drugs are bad
FantasticShoulders ยท 344 points ยท Posted at 17:41:03 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I started crying once when my mom started drinking a cherry limeade in the car, because I thought she was going to be arrested for drinking and driving.
NotClever ยท 102 points ยท Posted at 19:40:11 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Brilliant. It's easy to forget how literally kids take things. Like that "keep your eye on the ball" video that was meme'ing recently, where the kid puts his face on the tee ball.
cschaefer13 ยท 153 points ยท Posted at 19:43:33 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One time when I was little (maybe 3 or 4?) my mom came home and started talking about how she "killed two birds with one stone" and I started sobbing because I thought she straight up murdered 2 birds with a fucking rock
yodudwhatsthis ยท 59 points ยท Posted at 20:25:19 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She planned that. She was telling a story to a friend and trolling you.
Killed two birds with one stone with that one.
itekk ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 20:29:32 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is why I exclusively use the Rickyism "get two birds stoned at once". Stoned birds don't cause childhood trauma!
mrtransisteur ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:47:44 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
atodaso, a-fuckin-todaso
Emperor_Neuro ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:02:11 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I recently sent my 5 year old daughter into time out by telling her "go put your nose in the corner." Two minutes later and she's bawling her eyes out because her cheeks are getting stuck on the walls and she can't actually touch her nose to the corner. She thought she was going to get in more trouble for not listening and she was literally hurting herself by pressing her face into the wall so hard.
RobertAntonWilson ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:31:44 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I always figured my dad was an outlaw.
Heavy_Weapons_Guy_ ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 18:43:19 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Goddamnit, stop turning the friggin frogs gay!
ispelledthiwrong ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:38:18 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I always hated DARE and the more I think back on it the more I hate it and how little affect it has on kids decisions.
RobertAntonWilson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:31:19 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Terrible example.
Meloetta ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:34:30 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Example of what?
RobertAntonWilson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:47:31 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of something good.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:31:56 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Meloetta ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:46:19 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or both, honestly.
I can't remember when drug education starts really, it's been a long time. Maybe 2nd-4th grade?
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:56:03 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Thewheelwillweave ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:15:45 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Welcome to America.
ssnakeggirl ยท 74 points ยท Posted at 16:07:51 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's really sad is when they get measles.
squamesh ยท 137 points ยท Posted at 17:38:11 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My girlfriend and I are actually fairly concerned about what would happen in a situation like that. Her stepmom clearly doesn't trust medicine so it would be an uphill battle to get the kids proper treatment.
Plus, some of the shit she believes in seems downright dangerous. My girlfriend has stomach issues, so her stepmom tried to get her to take this supplement that is supposed to heal your stomach. Before she tried it, though, my gf wanted me to look at it since I'm the only one with a science/medical background.
It was literally just coal extract dissolved in water. She wanted my girlfriend to drink coal. I'm not a doctor yet, but that seems like a really bad idea. So I started looking into the product. I mostly found blogs about people pointing out how crazy it is that the active ingredient is fucking coal. But I found one scientific article that supported the claims on the bottle (basically repeating them word for word).
So I looked into this article. It was funded by the company that makes the product (surprise surprise). Then I looked into the journal. I couldn't find it listed as any of the top 150 nutrition journals, and there was no impact factor to be found. It did, however, have a name that was very similar (but legally distinct I'd imagine) to the top nutrition journal.
So basically, some company used a phony journal to publish a phony study supporting the phony claims they put on their phony product, advertised it heavily on Facebook, and convinced gullible people to drink coal.
ssnakeggirl ยท 65 points ยท Posted at 17:42:11 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It... might be ok? I know activated charcoal is a thing (it makes you throw up though). I would stay away form it though b/c it sounds like the best case scenario is that you'd be violently ill.
I took some homeopathic drops from someone once because I thought "what's the worst that can happen, it doesn't even have the active ingredient?" and I got really sick. I stay away form that shit now. I only take medications and supplements after running them past my doctor.
BTW my step mom has also been pushing a bullshit supplement lately. She asked me to deliver a bottle of it to my mom, which I did, but I doubt anyone's going to use it.
squamesh ยท 65 points ยท Posted at 17:45:53 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I had to guess, I'd say that the product makes you shit your pants. That way they can spin some bullshit about how your body is releasing toxins. My concern is that coal is a known carcinogen, so drinking it can't be good
Z0di ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:07:51 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've heard of charcoal being pumped through to the stomach to induce vomiting
PonKatt ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 18:41:01 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Coal and charcoal are widely different things. Charcoal is made from burned wood. Coal is a fossil fuel. It's like saying drinking bleach is fine because it's the same color as water and is also used to clean things.
Z0di ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:02:16 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I specified charcoal, I didn't say coal.
PonKatt ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 19:11:17 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. But bringing it up when the other person has mentioned that it was coal that was being drunk meant to me that you where assuming the two are close. I was just seeking to clarify that they are in no way related beyond the surface most characteristics.
minddropstudios ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:17:25 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, my water filter uses a charcoal filter to remove TOXINS. So when I eat it, it allows my body's natural filtering processes to work at 100%. (It normally only works at 50% because of gluten and TOXINS.)/s
Heavy_Weapons_Guy_ ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 18:46:33 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's actually kind of correct, activated charcoal is used medically to bind toxins to in some cases. It just won't do anything for you unless you're also drinking poison.
Korhaka ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:10:25 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The charcoal goes to your liver and allow it to remove toxins like your filter does!
DaMachinator ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:47:10 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Charcoal != coal.
squamesh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:11:52 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But that's probably a one time thing. This shit wants you to drink it every day
DaMachinator ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:47:32 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Charcoal and coal are completely different things.
squamesh ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:02:05 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good point. This was coal
_breadpool_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:46:45 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
From personal experience, it did induce vomiting for me. Out my butt. Jfc, I shit so much.
math_cutter ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:13:58 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
activated charcoal is fairly common, and harmless.
All the over-the-counter stuff is like 1% the dosage of medical grade charcoal designed to absorb poisons in the digestive tract, so its arguable if it even does anything.
It is supposed to 'absorb' crap. The bottles usually warn to not take any important medications/ supplements within 2 hours of taking the charcoal. That's a +1 in credibility, since it's actually a potential negative they are listing.
Not sure if it does much. I used to take it to reduce intestinal gas. Was a mighty fine placebo at the very least.
fuckwad666 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:02:40 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Coal and charcoal are not the same thing at all.
randy_in_accounting ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:46:53 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I forgot to take my homeopathic medicine and died from an overdose.
machenise ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:27:22 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In the US, "supplements" like vitamins, homeopathic medicine, and the like aren't regulated by the FDA. All you have to do is slap a, "This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, or cure anything at all, actually," disclaimer in small writing somewhere on the packaging, and you can sell dog shit as a health supplement.
What this also means is that unless someone has reason to notify the FDA about side effects and try to get the FDA to investigate, anything could be in your supplement. Coal? Too expensive. Save money by collecting dirt from your yard. Close enough. Literal dog shit in that dirt? Beneficial bacteria! Two supplements in one. Charge more! Unlike actual medicine which has to be proven effective and relatively safe before the FDA will approve it (a process that takes years, if not over a decade), the FDA does not protect consumers from snake oil. Unless that snake oil kills or otherwise causes significant side effects in a good many people. They only act after the fact.
Most of them just don't work at all. Or they upcharge you for stuff you can't use anyway. You could take 1 500mg calcium supplement 3 times a day, but for a few dollars more, you could have the convenience of of 1500mg once a day. Except your body can't absorb more than 500mg of calcium at a time.
ssnakeggirl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:43:21 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not quite that easy, there is a list of ingredients grandfathered in and a new ingredient needs to be tested. The problem is that no one checks. I used to work in regulations :)
machenise ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:07:35 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most supplements claiming they have science to back them up say that a study has validated their active ingredient. But there is more than 1 ingredient in their supplement, and they may be used in manners which make them unsafe or ineffective. The active ingredient that survives testing isn't the finished product. With actual medicine, the finished product has to tested.
At least that's how I understand it. Is that about right? I'm really interested in this subject, because my life revolves around my medications right now. (Type 1 diabetes and leukemia! Yay, me!) And people are starting to try to convince me to try different products or ingredients that aren't regulated by the FDA because their facebook acquaintance's cousin's best friend's boyfriend had bone cancer once and bananas saved his life.
ssnakeggirl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:13:32 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is something called a "dietary ingredient" which needs to be grandfathered in, meaning it was used before the law passed (I forget the year and I have class soon, I'm sorry, I can find out later for you). There are a few books that list acceptable ingredients but none of them are official. The rest is the "other ingredient" list and those substances should be Generally Recognized As Safe (GRAS) but, again, it's kinda vague. You basically can do it until FDA tries to shut you down. If you want to use a new "dietary ingredient" you are supposed to prove it's safe, but it's not really enforced often. They are regulated as a type of FOOD, not as a drug. Drugs must be proven to be Generally Recognized as Safe and Effective (GRASE) and needs to follow a "recipe" called a monograph. OTC drugs are regulated tightly, so they are almost always safe.
I really would not take anything unless your doctor recommends it. Unsafe supplements are a huge problem in the US.
SocialWinker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:30:49 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Activated charcoal isn't SUPPOSED to make you throw up. It's just an unfortunate side effect that seems to happen somewhat frequently.
It's not unheard of to use activated charcoal for some GI issues. I don't know how effective it is, really, but I've seen it used frequently. Especially in Eastern Europe, for some reason.
shewhomustbeobeyed1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:31:06 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This so happened to me. I took some homeopathic shit to shut someone up and had an "epi pen, almost died" moment.
ssnakeggirl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:12:59 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
:(
Are you familiar with the new epi-pen generic? Mine expires...today... so I'm picking up a new one soon and I want the generic version but I also want it to work. I'm very lucky to have never needed one, the ambulance always got to me before that point. But I had a new reaction recently so you know, anything is possible.
shewhomustbeobeyed1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:16:04 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have a generic I've never had to use. I hope to hell it works, because my allergies don't mess around.
ssnakeggirl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:22:17 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel for you. My really bad reactions were drug reactions so obviously I'm never taking those drugs again, but no one is going to sneak antibiotics into my food so it's easy to avoid. But I just learned that I'm also allergic to sheep's milk (?) and I'm worried I might develop the same bad food allergies my cousin has. Food allergies are terrifying because it's hard to know what's in food you didn't prepare. I've also been rushed to the hospital when we never found out which allergy was triggered, so let's just say I'm carrying around 100mg benadryl, an asthma inhaler, and 2 epi-pens just to be safe.
shewhomustbeobeyed1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:54:15 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, you have the antibiotic thing too? I have surgery in the morning and I've been through hell trying to find an antibiotic that wouldn't kill me. I have shellfish allergy which is the only food thing, but I feel your pain! (Do you ever get people acting like you have these allergies on purpose or something? Wtf with that?)
ssnakeggirl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:24:56 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have had an allergic reaction to every oral antibiotic I've taken! I did some blood tests that didn't show reactions but the doc admitted that it's not conclusive. So now my options are "take this with a huge amount of benadryl and hope for the best" and "don't get sick."
No one has quite done that for me, I'm sorry that happened to you. I've seen it a lot with my cousin. He's allergic to dairy and has to ask if everything is cooked with butter and you can tell the waiter is rolling his eyes. It's a serious, life threatening allergy though! It doesn't help that a lot of people claim to be allergic to foods they just dislike.
shewhomustbeobeyed1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:28:10 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My doctors seem to be the worst. I can take ONE oral antibiotic for MAYBE three days, even with Benadryl. Like I WANT to be admitted every time I need antibiotics.
Before the doctors gave up on oral antibiotics, I got my prescriptions with the instructions. "Take one in the ER and wait for one hour" sigh.
ssnakeggirl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:49:02 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ooph. That's really shitty :(
shewhomustbeobeyed1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:18:02 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I manage, but thanks. Misery loves company, or so they say. It's just nice to meet someone with the same problem. You take care and "DON'T GET SICK! Lol.
ssnakeggirl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:36:37 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're the only other person I've talked to with this problem so it is really nice for me too!
shewhomustbeobeyed1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:47:26 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hear 2% of the population has the problem. I live in a large city and no one believes me, let alone knows anyone else! Maybe we need a club, secret handshake....pillow fort....
ssnakeggirl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:48:28 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would fucking love a pillow fort.
shewhomustbeobeyed1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:50:20 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Motion for construction of pillow fort approved! Although, I must insist bad horror movies must be viewed while in pillow fort.
ssnakeggirl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:06:02 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dead alive? (btw, maybe we should take this to PMs?)
shewhomustbeobeyed1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:55:16 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I also once had an allergic reaction to Benadryl, rushed to ER, no one knows why, never happened again.
ssnakeggirl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:19:30 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Was it the kind with the pink dye? I know that's an issue for a lot of people. They do make a dye free version that might be better for you, just in case.
shewhomustbeobeyed1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:23:22 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was and I use dye free now, but I've had things happen where it's been pink dye or nothing, not had a problem. I have a TON of antibiotic and medication based allergies but I also sometimes just have horrible allergies for no oblivious reason. I've had auto immune workups every couple years, tested for urticaria, you name it...it is baffling.
Dinobryon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:34:43 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Activated charcoal can be used in patients that arrive to the ER with alcohol poisoning and probably other poisoning too. Not sure it should be used so casually for stomach problems.
Source: I was a medical scribe in an ER and saw multiple cases of alcohol poisoning and had to document the treatments.
ssnakeggirl ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:16:48 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, yeah, I didn't mean to imply it's a good idea. I just figured that it might not kill you? It would probably make you feel very sick though. 0/10 do no recommend.
stahlwolke ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 18:15:31 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just know that charcoal tablet help to not shit your intestines out. They bind poison so they can't get in your system. Comes in handy when your dog ate poison and the next doc is far away.
LettuceWouldntFit ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:50:21 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've had multiple overdoses on medications (suicide attempts) and was fed activated charcoal more times than I can count. I always thought it stopped the effects of the meds I took, but the last time I drank it the nurse told me it was just suppose to make me throw up all the meds.
Fucking nasty ass shit though, every time I think about the taste I literally gag.
Aegi ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:25:55 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The decision for your and your girlfriends kids are between the two of you, and not her mother.
squamesh ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:35:44 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I guess I phrased this weirdly. We're worried about the stepmother's children. My girlfriends step siblings
HugoTRB ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:42:56 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, that is really scary.
Sloppy1sts ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:26:16 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An uphill battle? How does your girlfriend's stepmom have any say in the matter of how you treat your own kids? Tell her to get lost. You gonna call her fucking stepmom for permission every time you take them to a doctor's appointment?
squamesh ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:34:51 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The stepmom is the mother of the step-brother
Gabrovi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:11:54 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Am doctor. It's not a hoax. Activated charcoal is a real thing used in medicine. When my oldest was born and a little colicky, an Indian friend of mine gave us something called Gripe Water. Very similar and worked well.
I'm not saying that whatever your GF is about to take will cure her, but it probably won't hurt her either.
squamesh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:53:19 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This wasn't activated charcoal though. It was coal. And you weren't supposed to drink it once, you were supposed to drink a lot of it daily. I would think that would up the risk factor
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:20:56 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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squamesh ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:24:15 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's activated charcoal not raw coal extract
machenise ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:17:01 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's really sad is when I'm immunocompromised and that kid gives me the measles. What's really, really said is when enough people get the measles that it has the opportunity to mutate and the vaccine is no longer effective and then everybody gets the measles.
ssnakeggirl ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:43:53 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Keep in mind that the kid didn't choose to have lousy parents. They are a victim here too.
machenise ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:00:54 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True. I didn't state that well. I didn't mean to dismiss the kid.
ssnakeggirl ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:05:45 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No worries, having a huge outbreak where we all get measles would... not be ideal...
Anti-vaxxers really scare me. I have asthma so when I get sick I get sick. I'm one of those people who gets flu shots as soon as they are available.
Buffalo__Buffalo ยท 227 points ยท Posted at 15:52:56 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, it's no huge surprise that she's involved with Maoists if she's poor. I mean, if you are at the bottom of the heap financially speaking then why wouldn't you advocate the overthrow of the system in order to abolish capitalism in a protracted people's war? It makes a lot of sense.
Whelks ยท 85 points ยท Posted at 17:52:25 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
MLM means multi level marketing aka pyramid scheme. Where did you get maoism from?
Average_Giant ยท 87 points ยท Posted at 18:01:21 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
MLM Mao Loves Moms
BillyQ ยท 62 points ยท Posted at 18:04:47 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Multi Level Maoism
SonOfDadOfSam ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:32:57 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mao Like Me!
Sounds like a bad 90's sitcom. Someone get on that.
Semicolon_Expected ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:30:44 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To each level a different amount of subsidy.
Buffalo__Buffalo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:45:13 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/151/590x/secondary/consciousness-709143.jpg
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:42:24 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mao loves moms so much that he sent my great grandfather to jail and left my grandfather and his mom stuck on a farm in rural China lol
Buffalo__Buffalo ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 18:03:45 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
MLM
[deleted] ยท 91 points ยท Posted at 15:56:50 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
r/fullcommunism
DammitEd ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:39:58 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I remember when that sub was still a parody...
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:47:34 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It started as parody? So did r/T_D! It's almost as if they're both collectivist groups that only identify by what agenda they subscribe too.
mileylols ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 17:09:23 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
never go full communism
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:14:47 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Communism: not even once.
metastasis_d ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 18:39:12 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
http://i.imgur.com/Vb7udEC.jpg
Sloppy1sts ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:27:48 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody ever has.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:25:44 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Sloppy1sts ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:51:35 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That part comes after a dictator co-opts the movement for his own good.
Sloppy1sts ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:31:39 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A downvote? really?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:33:16 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pol Pot was the most logical interpretation imo
dfscha1402 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:50:08 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe if you're not a bad person?
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[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:02:53 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Buffalo__Buffalo ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:15:15 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This makes me wonder if you've ever seen a Freudian slip before.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:26:44 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Buffalo__Buffalo ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:29:41 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where is the Freudian slip?
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:30:33 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Longrodvonhugendongr ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:32:38 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was a joke, not a Freudian slip...
Buffalo__Buffalo ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:34:59 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. They did mean MLM. It also stands for multi-level marketing
That's not what Freudian slip means:
3. There is no indication that the original comments author had any unconscious thoughts about Maoism
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:37:21 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Buffalo__Buffalo ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:42:57 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are confident in your psychological terminology when you really shouldn't even be confident in your reading comprehension.
Feigned misunderstanding isn't a Freudian slip. A genuine misunderstanding isn't a Freudian slip.
A Freudian slip would be talking about not being interested in incest because "It would be too much brother... errrr, I mean, bother!"
Go read that definition I gave you again but this time around don't read it as if you are looking for how it confirms that what you think is correct but instead read it for what it says.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:51:31 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Buffalo__Buffalo ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:01:12 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow! What a clever nitpick-cum-strawman. I never claimed anything close to "a Freudian slip can only be one single word".
Yet again, your reading comprehension fails you miserably.
Yes. You read the same thing as I did. Let's put a little smiley face next to your name so you get some positive reinforcement for doing a good job of reading something and correctly making sense out of it.
These words are going to haunt you.
Nowhere did some secret, suppressed sympathy for Maoism unintentionally spring up to the surface when I wrote that comment - I was quite clearly and intentionally discussing it.
The joke was that MLM is an initialism which stands for both multi-level marketing and Marxism-Leninism-Maoism and the "misunderstanding" of MLM to mean the latter when most commonly people would expect it to mean the former.
Yeah, this these words are going to haunt you too buddy.
Edit: Go and copy-paste the exchange somewhere else on reddit like /r/nostupidquestions and ask people if there is Freudian slip. You might learn something, maybe even a bit of some desperately-needed humility...
philonius ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:35:42 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's one thing to be wrong. It's another to try to fight it. Fighting to prove you're right when you are clearly wrong is how you end up on r/iamverysmart
philonius ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:34:34 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, you can read? Lucky you.
read this shit then
HugoTRB ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:50:24 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not super sure if I like the sub super much but this is r/iamverysmart material.
HubbaMaBubba ยท -15 points ยท Posted at 16:24:59 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, she sounds like the exact kind of person who'd be into socialism.
Tijuano ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 17:21:18 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maoist Communism does not, in any way, equal socialism.
HubbaMaBubba ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:31:21 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Feel free to elaborate.
This is what Wikipedia gives me:
"The essential difference between Maoism and other forms ofย Marxismย is that Mao claimed that peasants should be the essential revolutionary class in China, because, contrary to their industrial working "comrades", they were more suited to establishing a successful revolution and socialist society in China."
Tijuano ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:52:39 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What the Good Chairman said and what he did are sadly, very very different. While Mao and the Central Committee went around posturing about how the peasantry (the single largest social stratum in China at the time) would rise up and take the means of power, he and his fellow military oligarchs had decidedly different plans. From 1949 to 1955, Mao's rule became ever more a military junta, culminating with their attempt to exclude the Soviet Union from the '55 Bandung Conference in an effort to replace the USSR as the dominant political force in the African and Arab third-worlds.
Essentially, like every major Communist government, it devolved very quickly from a "utopian" worker's paradise to a military-industrial oligarchy where the working class became even more oppressed than ever before.
I'd recommend reading "The Government and Politics of the People's Republic of China" by Derek Waller or "Politics in the Communist World" by Leslie Holmes. They're a bit dated (1981 and 1986 respectively) but they are both excellent reads for anyone interested in a factual account of the rise and continuous fall of Communism in the modern world.
HubbaMaBubba ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:05:40 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A Maoist would be someone who believes in the the original theories though, right?
Tijuano ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:27:31 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not necessarily. Maoism, like most post-Leninist Communist ideologies, is tainted by the establishment of some sort of oligarchal central office, generally a Committee or some such, which inevitably leads to an even greater division of classes. Because of this, Maoism is inherently different to the pre-October Revolution Marxist-Leninist socialism that is generally agreed to be the last "truly Communist" ideology put into practice. Maoism inevitably leads to a class struggle, which is both decidedly un-socialist and un-Communist.
Basically, the "original" Maoism is still corrupted by the establishment of a central government that puts the reigns of power squarely in its own hands and not those of the people as socialism strives towards.
Strong central government + popular control of power = socialism
Strong central government + central control of power = Stalinist tyranny.
StirlADrei ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:18:30 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you aren't ona communist, anarchist, or socialist forum, you're gonna get a lot of bullshit.
OK6502 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:12:24 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, that's how it's supposed to work. Kids look up to their parents and until a certain age take what they have to say for granted. The problem is these kids might have lousy parents and their parents take advantage of their naivete
instantrobotwar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:18:09 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, just like how I used to spout my parents homophobia when I was 11 because I didn't know any better. "It's just really unnatural, you know? How do they even fit together?"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:36:16 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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pizza_for_nunchucks ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:09:31 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe he has. Maybe he took his took parents homophobia and it's his very own now.
/s
instantrobotwar ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:11:00 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Naw, I'm homophobia-free now!
instantrobotwar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:09:54 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, I feel that it's good. Generations ago, you'd still have your parents opinions when you grew up. Nowadays we've got education, and everyone is exposed to so many people, cultures, languages, etc that you really can't help but become more open to different people and experiences and lifestyles.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:02:54 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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instantrobotwar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:29:18 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They didn't actively push...it just rubs off. You'd be surprised how much of any child's upbringing/opinions are just casual off-hand remarks. Things like "ew" or "ugh" when they see something they defined as 'gay'.
p.s. they're better now. I think they've met some real-life gay people. Also my dad's cousin came out, so that helped.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:02:14 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, they had to tell her something to explain why she/he isn't allowed to attend public school with her friends.
NotClever ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:41:38 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, it's actually somewhat believable insofar as if you really drill something into your kids they're likely to blindly repeat it up to a certain age. I can see getting at least "mercury" right, although I do doubt the ticks off list of ingredients and their harmful side effects. I feel like "dude, don't get vaccines they'll kill you!" is a much more likely statement.
Teeratom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:17:02 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was about 6-7 when there was a solar eclipse where I live, on the news they said not to stare at the sun or go out unprotected, I took that as if my mom goes to work tomorrow she will lose her eyesight. They couldn't calm me down for hours
TheONLYLogicError ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 16:29:53 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, what's wrong with crystals?
Edit: There was an attempt to make a joke...
xxJnPunkxX ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 16:58:54 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nothing if you're only wearing them because you like how they look. If you expect them to act as some sort of magic BS it's a huge red flag for a normal person.
forma_cristata ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:29:30 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So all those people believing that there is a blessed man in the sky are just as crazy as we are right? Since we believe in vibrations of the universe? It's not even that we discount the value of medicine (usually)! Just believe you can feel more comfortable or emotionally balanced around a certain natural force. That's not crazy. It is a different form of faith. Stop generalizing
JustinJSrisuk ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:05:41 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's all well and good, but when you have irresponsible people like this who are encouraging people to use crystals to "heal" cancer, then it becomes dangerous.
forma_cristata ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:09:12 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Obviously! I am a hippie, not a moron
Paddy_Tanninger ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:39:35 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck man, like just re-read that a few times.
xxJnPunkxX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:39:11 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I fully believe anyone who has faith in something that is not verifiable or repeatable is the same level of deluded.
forma_cristata ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:10:14 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So if being around your dog makes you feel safe but you own a chihuahua who can't hurt anyone, that is deluded? I just feel comfortable around natural made objects, like plants and minerals
xxJnPunkxX ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:20:19 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Edit: if you don't want to read the wall just read the last paragraph.
Um, yes? It would be a false sense of security. All the times nothing happens it doesn't matter, but if you're hiding behind your chihuahua when someone is breaking in, expecting it to realistically do something about it, you're worsening your chances of coming out of it ok.
Now use than analogy with mental health. If someone is clinically depressed, but they are surrounded by people telling them to rub smooth rocks to feel better, they may not seek any sort of meaningful treatement.
Let's use the analogy for physical medicine. If someone is stricken with cancer, and decides praying or rubbing stones does anything, they are worsening their chances of beating it.
So if you just like the idea and it makes you feel better, you do you. But it's shitty perpetuating the idea that they will do anything meaningful in an objective setting.
As a side note, I'm sorry for being an asshole about it. You're allowed to do anything that makes you happy without feeling the need to justify it to anyone, I'm just saying you should keep it in perspective and factor in the effect you may have on others.
forma_cristata ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:48:01 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Youre not an asshole! It is a 'make me happy' sort of thing. I think people are misunderstanding me. It's relating that happiness meaning to a higher power which is a certain belief that people question. I like your response is my point(:
xxJnPunkxX ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:03:22 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Damn, sorry for going in on you like that. I jump to the worst conclusions about certain things lol
squamesh ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:27:21 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Crystals are visually cool, and studying the crystal structure of certain compounds can reveal information about their physical properties. They can't, however, heal people magically or absorb evil energy
RandyJackson ยท 173 points ยท Posted at 14:13:26 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You'd be surprised what a kid picks up when they hear their parents say it.
ShardsOfReality ยท 89 points ยท Posted at 14:30:21 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I give the kid a trident layers pack of gum if he could remember the list of ingredients for FluMist.
Also, how would his friend be telling him at school about vaccines he has to get to be in school?
punkrockblitzkrieg ยท 100 points ยท Posted at 14:52:32 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some you have to get once you reach a certain age, and some you have to get again every few years
Source: was a school
ShardsOfReality ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 15:09:12 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll give you that since you have experience as a school. Still, the conversation between the two kids seems bogus to me.
Shoggoththe12 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:58:25 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An entire school? Blacktop and field included?
machenise ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:43:28 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some places in the US allow children to attend school without vaccines if the parents claim religious exemption. It's difficult to draw the line in the US because of the extremely heavy (and necessary) religious freedom slant and laws requiring that education be made available to everyone at a certain age.
This is a country that allows parents to let their children die in the name of religious freedom. Christian Scientist? You don't have to take your kid to the doctor for any illness or preventative treatment ever. Unless a couple of your kids die. The first one is free though; you likely won't face prosecution for it. You can also tell doctors that they cannot provide lifesaving blood transfusions to your child because you are a Jehova's Witness. Your kid could be 2 months old and not able to be a Jehova's Witness, but the parents' religious freedom counts more than the child's life (which is really weird considering all the "right to life" bullshit that Christians use to oppose abortion).
sewsnap ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 16:17:31 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Especially when the parent pretty much grinds it into their brains over and over. Meeting a few avid anti-vaccers, they're intense. It's not too surprising that that one thoroughly brainwashed her child.
sweetnesssa ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:32:34 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I foresee a lot of intelligent teenagers whose big teenage rebellion will be getting themselves vaccinated.
sewsnap ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:10:05 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope so.
demeschor ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 16:11:55 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My cousin's the kind of person who spends too much time on Facebook sharing links from the guardian... Her 3 year old lad used to stop playing randomly and say "I like pink" or "Boys can like pink too!", "Boys can wear skirts", and stuff like that. He'd clearly been taught to say it and he doesn't actually like pink, either, he loves green (all the clothes and toys he chooses himself are green). But two years later he still just randomly says it.
It's really weird to hear sentences like that come from a young kid.
machenise ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 19:59:06 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you think it's a case of she's trying to be supportive in case he likes pinks and has just overdone it? Or do you think she's trying to be a special snowflake because her boy likes pink, damn it, and she's still going to love him?
As an aside, my grandfather was a Texan who was possessed by the ghost of John Wayne. Super tough guy, no nonsense, only talked when something needed to be said, legitimate Stetson cowboy hats, even had several pairs of "dress" cowboy boots. He embodied the type of masculinity John Wayne performed. My biological father wasn't a "sissy," so he wouldn't wear pink and made fun of men who did. And then he saw my grandfather wearing a pink Western-style shirt with mother-of-pearl buttons. Pink was not a color for sissies after that.
ShiversTheNinja ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:27:01 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, I think it's okay to make your kid aware of stuff like that, but not to push it so hard and repeatedly that they randomly bring it up with no prompting whatsoever, for years.
demeschor ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:50:47 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's my thought exactly. It was one of his first sentences, and it was obvious that it wasn't even true. There's nothing wrong with it, it's not malicious or anything, it's just real odd...
I mean, I can only imagine she would repeat those sentences to him a lot to get him to learn them before he could even ask for food ...
ShiversTheNinja ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:03:50 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah... that's insane. You shouldn't be talking to a BABY about social issues like that. They don't have the knowledge and intelligence to comprehend the meaning or importance of any of it. It's actually really, really fucking stupid of her to do that and think he would understand it at all. smh
demeschor ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:37:55 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's something you know has come straight from an adult as well. Kids don't care about gendered colours or clothes while they are still so young.
Braddo4417 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:15:21 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, they pick up measles, chicken pox, hepatitis, influenza...
TBIFridays ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:27:50 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or on the radio. I'll never forget hearing a bunch of six year olds sing along to Blurred Lines
GoiterGlitter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:05:20 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An 11 year old isn't an idiot either. I think person either knows no children or very immature ones.
[deleted] ยท 68 points ยท Posted at 15:21:33 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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prettybakedcupcake ยท 128 points ยท Posted at 15:26:48 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Brother in law and sister in law are anti-vaxxers with two kids. Caused a HUGE fight between us when we had our daughter and I had commented something on social media about my newborn and idiots that spread measles.....etc. Was not good-it's been nearly three years and it is still awkward. They kind of talk to us now? Super bizarre interactions. Ugh.
TripleSkeet ยท 124 points ยท Posted at 15:50:08 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You shouldnt be sorry. Be glad you found out. Im assuming the kids would comingle at parties and shit? These assholes put your kids in danger because they are morons.
prettybakedcupcake ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 15:50:49 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Precisely!
pleasehelpssll ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:36:00 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait..I know vaccines work but if a kid is vaccinated against measles why would they be at risk of getting measles from another unvaccinated kid?
prettybakedcupcake ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 18:38:20 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Little babes don't get the measles vaccination until they are quite older-I think around one (?? I can't remember the age, it's all a blur). So up until that point they are vulnerable to catch the disease from someone else that is not vaccinated and has contracted it themselves. There is literally no protection for a baby that is waiting to be old enough to get the vaccine.
hoovooloo22 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:42:26 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Newborns can be exposed to pertussis (aka whooping cough) from unvaccinated kids. Babies are recommended to start getting the Dtap at 2 months but they don't get full protection for a while (not a doctor, but I think it's not until the 15-18 month shot). https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/hcp/vis/vis-statements/dtap.html
Children are recommended to get the first MMR shot (measles, mumps, rubella) at 12-15 months and then they get a booster at 4-6 years old. https://www.cdc.gov/features/measles/index.html
Plus babies can be exposed to the flu if visitors didn't get their flu shot.
So there are a lot of parents with antivaxxer families that won't let unvaccinated children or adults be around their child until they are 15 months and get the MMR and Dtap.
prettybakedcupcake ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:39:39 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And also those whom are suffering from an immunodeficiency or are being treated for cancer, etc. Super vulnerable population as well.
machenise ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:02:21 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ugh. The anti-vaxxers and parties things just reminded me of something. Some of them have "pox parties" where if one of their kids gets chicken pox, they'll have that kid come play with their kids to expose them. Even read about someone either mailing or asking to be mailed scabs from a kid's chicken pox so that others could be exposed (the parents of both kids wanted this to happen, not like they were trying to chicken pox bomb someone unsuspecting).
They seem to understand that exposure to a disease can have an inoculating effect, but that doesn't extend to actual vaccines. Fun fact: I think the earliest inoculation protocol comes from China, where they were grind a certain pox's scabs into a powder and blow it into the faces of the person being inoculated.
Stubrochill17 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 15:36:45 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man that sucks. Obviously I have no idea what your relationship with her was before all that, but assuming it was good, that sucks that it was ruined by such a dumb thing.
prettybakedcupcake ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 15:49:54 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah it was pretty nice prior to that, so a huge bummer. And I agree it is stupid to have ruined our relationship. Problem is, they're stubborn about their beliefs, and I'm stubborn about mine. I won't budge-we vax and will always vax. Period. So there isn't a nice conversation where we could hear each other's opinions/ideas/information and try to see the other side and have empathy. I believe in what I call science and facts and you can't tell me otherwise, and she believes in what she calls science and facts and thinks I'm part of the "sheeple". That's the crux of the problem with the entire thing overall-when you KNOW in your guts you are right and protecting your kid (on either side) there is NO budging. At least in my personal experience with this situation. Overall-sucks donkey dicks to have the issue within a family. Lol.
machenise ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:29:58 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You believe in what is science and facts, while she believes what she thinks is science and facts. There's a difference.
prettybakedcupcake ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:33:58 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Accurate statement. I'm trying really hard to come from a place of....I don't know someplace more nice than where I came from before, which still lurks within me right below the surface haha
machenise ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:00:42 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am immuncompromised and will need all of my vaccinations redone in the months to come. I spent a week in the hospital earlier in August because I had a mild sinus infection my body couldn't fight.
I think being nice is the best first step, especially if they're family or friends. Most people shut down when you're too aggressive. But at some point, if I had to deal with that in person, I'd give up being nice and say, "You are putting me at risk of getting a minor infection that could kill me. Stop."
prettybakedcupcake ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:51:59 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First of all, I hope you get better and recover from what's going on very soon! I'm so sorry to hear that. Secondly, your story is exactly another reason why it's so important. And yes, I agree with what your statement would be as well.
Aegi ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:29:20 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even if they are right it's still stupid.
That's how you need to approach it.
Tell them it will cause autism but you want them to tell you what percent of people vaccinated get it, then you need to say how you'd still way rather have autism than be dead or complicit in someone else's death.
That way they are right, but they also see how with them being correct it STILL makes sense to vaccinate.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:56:54 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But... Why do they care? Not vaccinating is a danger to everyone, vaccinating is (according to them) a danger to that child and that child only.
If they want their kids to become fucked up, fine. But why would they get angry at others?!
prettybakedcupcake ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:00:30 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wish I could answer that for you, but I can't. It's equally frustrating for me, trust me. The only bit of response I can factually give is that in their minds they think they are protecting their own kids and that we are poisoning them. There is no rationality, in my opinion, to that idea...but that's exactly the place they are coming from. They sincerely believe that to vaccinate their children is akin to poisoning them. And I sincerely believe they are bat shit crazy. ๐น
Edit: to vaccinate any person is like poisoning people-to more properly address you question.
ShardsOfReality ยท 82 points ยท Posted at 15:29:16 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
they all died from preventable diseases, we have only the remains of their blogs and facebook posts to go by what their culture was.
HayesCooper19 ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 15:42:33 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously though, how long before natural selection squashes the whole "anti-vaxxer" thing?
Tdir ยท 82 points ยท Posted at 15:56:20 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Long, because of herd immunity. It's only going to be a problem when there are too many anti-vaxxers and immunosupressed people in close proximity, and then it is going to hurt the immunosupressed people harder I think. Don't take my word on it, I'm just a guy on the internet basking in his superior intellect.
eelwarK ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 16:20:34 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This, plus diseases are subject to natural selection too. That is, they evolve and gain characteristics that make them hardier and more resistant to modern medicine. When anti-vaxxers spread and catch them, they increase the chance that our vaccines will stop working against a new strain of the disease (see: the flu)
Resistiane ยท 57 points ยท Posted at 15:49:02 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know 3 separate mothers who have chosen not to vaccinate their collective 8 children. They don't know each other, nor are they "hippie" or "conspiracy theory" types. They're just ignorant and caught up in this "I need to be an advocate for my child's health and not trust doctors because the internet told me stories that scared me" thing.
dankestdame ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 16:24:57 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm gonna be and advocate for my child's health and ignore medical professionals who went school for a very long time to be where they are... lol People are strange.
Resistiane ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 16:29:53 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Whenever I tried to talk to any of them about it, I was always amazed by the fact that they legitimately thought that their own Facebook research was superior to decades of documented science. It's all about feelings for them. They can feel superior to all the other moms out there who don't love their child enough to get between the child and medicine.
dankestdame ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 16:34:07 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Omg this is so true for alot of people now, they do a bunch of Facebook research and no real documented medical research. Like seriously the belive everything they read no matter what the source or if it actually pertains to their situation. It's flabergasting.
Resistiane ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 16:36:55 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Totally. It confirms their bias and makes them feel smart, so they keep doing it.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 11:45:27 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's even worse than that. I debated them online for years and the many of them DO read documented medical research. They read everything from established medical journals and the CDC that they can find. The problem is that they do not trust ANY major organization. In fact, they believe that anything a major organization like the CDC or even the AAP says is automatically suspect because they are all shady villains with nefarious plots underway. And who does that leave to be trusted? Quacks, snake-oil salesmen, and conspiracy loons like Joseph Mercola, Alex Jones, and Facebook randos.
divajedi ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:54:13 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a control issue, too. Because of social media they feel the world and society is spiraling out of control, so decisions like this make them feel like they have some sort of steady home base to rely on.
machenise ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:53:12 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This went really mainstream and spread with Jenny McCarthy, who said in an interview about her anti-vaxx beliefs, "I got my degree from google." They do think that their own internet research is better than all accepted medical science.
Resistiane ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:07:03 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which is such a bummer since, if you look long enough, there will be someone out there to prop up your belief system.
bjyatch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:44:16 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Idk I'm a hippy but I still firmly believe in science, vaccinations kind of a no brainer to me lol
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:06:39 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
http://time.com/4920112/nurse-killed-patients-germany/
http://murderpedia.org/male.S/s/shipman-harold.htm
I still vax myself and kids. Still, difficulty of career and length of training might not be guarantees of good character.
spookthesunset ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 15:27:43 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Raises hand... yup. One of my in-laws was dating a person that decided to debate my whole family, including one person who was immunosuppressed and "at risk" about the mysterious dangers of vaccines.
It was.... interesting...
jifPBonly ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 15:56:15 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As an immunocompromised person I can confirm that these people are terrifying.
machenise ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:31:27 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As an immuncompromised person, I can confirm I am suspicious of everyone.
jifPBonly ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:10:34 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lmao so true
clemintinesnposies ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 16:07:57 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I took a nursing class from someone who insisted that children who have "naturally high heavy metals in their blood" will get autism if they have too many vaccines at once. She was a healthcare professional. Every single class she'd talk about why it was bad to overdo it, and that you could a) not vaccinate (her #1 choice), b) pick and choose which you'll use (only a few through your lifetime!!), or c) if you fuck it all up you can cleanse the autism out by flushing all the heavy metals (obv last ditch effort).
The anti-vaxxers have infiltrated the healthcare system.
Reetgeist ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 17:17:28 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If that's a class leading to a nursing qualification you should probably report that to someone.
Beardamus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:41:45 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How did she think flushing the heavy metals out work? People with lead poisoning would love to be flushed.
itekk ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:49:47 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Imperium_Dragon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:38:05 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also RIP urethra.
sweetnesssa ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:56:49 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A friend of mine was applying to be a dental assistant and the program required proof from your family doctor that you were up To date on all your inoculations before you could get accepted, which should be the standard for any job in health related fields I think.
clemintinesnposies ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:09:50 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think nearly every healthcare program requires students be up to date on their vaccinations, but that doesn't stop the crazies!
Atomicmonkey1122 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:00:08 on September 3, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok but what if we take the last one and run with it....
If we tell the anti-vaxxers that the vaccines are safe as long as you take a cleanse solution or whatever, which would basically be like a protein shake or some other sort of placebo liquid
Then the children will have vaccines and they will have extra vitamins or water or whatever from the placebo liquid
clemintinesnposies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:40:16 on September 3, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. Yes to all this. Let's make this happen.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:35:46 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This needs to be reported to the board of nursing, or equivalent in your area.
Imperium_Dragon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:37:44 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Was she reported/fired?
clemintinesnposies ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:10:51 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, none if it was a part of her lecture or curriculum , it was "an opinion" that she'd talk about when she'd go on a tangent.
Shanseala ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:49:41 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That shouldn't mean it's unreportable... pretty scary how a person tasked with impressing tons of future healthcare providers is spreading this filth.
fremenist ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 15:35:49 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, loads. I grew up in the evangelical homeschool community in the 90s. Many kids I grew up with are now anti-vaxxers with their own children. I would guess that it's still less common than Reddit would make it seem but it's still fairly prevalent in specific communities.
faderjack ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:43:37 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, I was in the evangelical homeschool community in preschool. Stopped homeschooling, but stayed in evangelical churches most of my life. I haven't heard of a correlation between that community and anti-vaxxers before. My parents vaccinated anyway. Is it a coincidence, or part of the common belief system?
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:52:43 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think that there are two kinds of anti-vaxxers: the extremist fringe conservatives and the extremist fringe liberals.
The conservative anti-vaxxers tend to believe that vaccinations are a government conspiracy designed to brainwash children, while the leftists tend to believe that traditional medicine, genetically-modified ingredients and corporations are conspiring to make children sicker and dependent on pharmaceutical companies.
I don't believe evangelical Christians are any more likely than any other group to be anti-vaxxers; I just think it's a rare issue that transcends party lines.
hoovooloo22 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:46:47 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know a bunch of the lefty antivaxxers! There's an area near Seattle (Vashon Island) where 25% of kids aren't fully vaccinated. Mostly neo-hippies living there.
NameIsNotDavid ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:14:18 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And, as a result, frequent whooping cough epidemics!
machenise ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:46:18 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I had whooping cough. It was terrible. Coughed for nearly half a year. Eating was always a risk, because if I coughed immediately after eating, I'd puke. Couldn't sleep. And this was back when it was thought that childhood vaccines protected from whooping cough for life, and my doctors had no explanation for why I was sick aside from knowing for sure that even though my symptoms perfectly matched whooping cough and emerging evidence showed that immunity eventually fails, I definitely could not possibly have whooping cough. (The next year, they were like, "Hey, remember when you were coughing? Turns out it was probably whooping cough after all!" Thanks.)
Notuss (cough syrup with codeine) was the only thing that suppressed the cough. I was prescribed as much as I could legally be prescribed at the time. It was horrible.
faderjack ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:52:48 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I'd say that's probably right
fremenist ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:01:40 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It isn't actively taught within the curriculum but it does seem to be a fairly commonly held belief in the community. Totally anecdotally and could very well be a coincidence.
faderjack ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:57:56 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gotcha. I actually want to ask my parents about their views on it now. Especially since the vaccination regimen has essentially tripled from when i was a kid, I wonder if they would do it differently today.
ihaveakid ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 15:52:17 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All of my in-laws are anti-vax. My oldest sister-in-law actually trapped me in the car on a ling car ride and grilled me about my vaccination stance, telling me that my child will drop dead if I get her vaccinated. It was really uncomfortable.
[deleted] ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 16:17:44 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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ihaveakid ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:58:47 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I do a lot of smiling and nodding when the topic comes up, they know I disagree with them. Other than that, they are excellent people and super great to us. They just get a little nuts when it comes to vaccines.
zClarkinator ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:53:46 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Other than potentially killing children due to preventable diseases, they're pretty okay
RetardedSquirrel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:23:02 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FTFH
ihaveakid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:01:41 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. My oldest is a preemie, so we definitely got her vaccinated. The risks to her were too high not to.
lolarent ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 15:55:53 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, in the family as well. It's great because someone else in the family has a PHD in biology so when antivaxx girl came out with her stories, Auntie PHD just smiled, nodded, and rolled her eyes.
coin_return ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 16:50:04 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have a few on Facebook, old friends from highschool. One of them has an autistic son that I'm pretty sure she blames vaccines for (let's ignore the fact that she and her husband weren't the most physically or mentally healthy people to begin with and they had a child), another is one of those "crunchy" moms who had five home births with no medications, and she blames Tylenol for the mild learning disability one of her sons has.
The lady at the local hippy store believes in homeopathy, crystal healing, etc. I avoid mom talk with people because everyone has an opinion and I don't feel like getting into a debate with a brick wall. I'll judge them until the end of my days, but I don't wanna get into arguments with them over it.
Ladyingreypajamas ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 16:16:03 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My step - sister and her husband are anti-vaxxers. It's because she comes from a long line of crazy (my stepmom's family). They also believe lavender oil can cure psoriasis, and frankincense could cure cancer. That's not hyperbole. She actually believes that
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:53:30 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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divajedi ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:03:23 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because you can make lavender oil yourself at home. "Big Pharma doesn't want you to know this one little secret! It would ruin their profits!"
InsipidCelebrity ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:24:55 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It always boggles me when the same people who criticize pharmaceutical companies for making billions of dollars off of vaccines (probably a pharmaceutical company's least profitable division) are not nearly as discerning when they pay some charlatan who owns a supplement company hundreds of dollars per month for vegan encapsulated dirt pills.
SonOfASelkie ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 16:01:40 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My aunt is nutjob antivax...thankfully my uncle gets their kids vaccinated...but...
TheCheshireCody ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:37:13 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I had a friend on Facebook, someone from my high school, who started spewing anti-vax propaganda.
had.
ScramblesTheBadger ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:04:04 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same that day I blocked them and watched as some chick who i know call them out on it and how stupid they are
sewsnap ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:20:11 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I homeschool my kids, and they're saturated in this community. Some of them are quiet about it, and you barely hear. And other have it covering their facebook, and try to tell you the evils every time they see you. Those ones thankfully don't stick around long.
UnrealStarling ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:22:06 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know a couple. One "unschools" her kids and us trying to move to Michigan to live off grid. The other says her son doesn't need them but isn't rabidly against them. Her son also never leaves the house.
divajedi ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:59:25 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have this dream that all the home schooling anti-vaxxers will eventually die off because they have no immunity at all. Akin to when diseases brought over by the colonists killed off Native Americans.
(Also, funny, my phone wanted to change "anti-vaxxers" to "anti-Vader's." r/EmpireDidNothingWrong )
UnrealStarling ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:52:18 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, the second woman's son gets sick every time he goes outside. Because he has zero immune system.
RussLincoln ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:36:49 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My sister says this about her kids. They are homeschooled and don't get out a ton. She always talks about how they get sick anytime someone around them is sick. She's very educated too.....I don't understand it
UnrealStarling ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:45:04 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She says it's because he was premature. He was 1 week early and had no health problems. He's sick all the time because he never leaves his house and never interacts with anyone outside his family.
divajedi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:48:58 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That sounds like it could be the plot of a Lifetime movie. (Is that still a thing?)
medicalmystery1395 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:44:30 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A riding instructor of mine that my family was close to turned into an anti-vaxxer. She started saying how vaccines were a government conspiracy and that they give kids autism.
Zzjanebee ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:32:09 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've met one. She thinks her internet education is more valid than my actual degrees. It's so hard to argue with her because she doesn't have basic chemistry or biology. She's a good business woman but she should stay far away from pretending to be a health expert. I used to stay quiet about it when she would bring this stuff up, but I reached a limit. Hopefully something will enter her stubborn brain.
ratadeacero ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:47:35 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ugh. Yeah. I know 3 of them. Idiots.
TripleSkeet ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:48:59 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have. Not many though. In this area coming out and saying shit like that will get you openly mocked for being stupid.
HubbaMaBubba ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:26:23 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're not going to talk about it non-stop...
HDRed ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:29:09 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, we just don't talk about it together.
LetsGetReptarded ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:29:51 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the youth leaders from my church when my brother was is high school were. apparently it was one of those things the husband insisted on and the wife decided it wasn't worth fighting. i heard this all 3rd party from my brother because he was very close to their family, but they've never been very outspoken and have never said anything publicly so i can't confirm. pretty sure they just welcomed baby #4 into the world, so hopefully they aren't as extreme as they seem or have given in because here in CA it's getting harder to send your kids to school without them.
DeweyCheatem-n-Howe ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:50:56 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A guy I work with is an anti-vaxxer. He's an executive in our company. I don't see him face-to-face that often, because he's in LA and I'm in the Northeast, but he gloms onto any fad that claims to be health related that floats across his world. Being in LA, that's a lot of really stupid ones.
hegemonistic ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:52:55 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tons. You just gotta run in the right circles. Or the wrong circles...
They tend to form close-knit communities on account of everyone else thinking they're retarded. The loud and vocal ones are the exception; even in this post, as you can see based on the group she shared it to, most of what they do is preaching to the choir. Don't let that fool you into thinking there aren't shittons of em out there though. It's insidious.
machenise ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:26:20 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My company works with adoption agencies to find homes for their pets. I was adopting out a cat that was too young for its rabies vaccinations (required by law, not just a good idea), and it had a certificate to have a rabies vaccination done for free by a particular vet when it was old enough.
The adoption paperwork also asked about other pets the person had owned or currently owned, and their vaccination status -- because the adoption agency wants to make sure that the person getting the cat is going to take it to their vet when needed, including yearly check-ups and vaccinations.
The person was appalled that we -- not the adoption agency, me and my store -- were attempting to make her vaccinate her pets. We shouldn't be pushing our beliefs on other people who don't want to vaccinate their pets, because vaccines can cause so many potentially fatal problems for cats, according to them.
They had to do a phone interview before they could take the cat home, and when they told the shelter's owner that they did not plan on vaccinating the cat, she told them that they couldn't have the cat. And then they were appalled that I could not just give them the cat they wanted, as they were a paying customer and had the adoption fee. Like they wanted to buy a product and I was refusing to sell it to them. It's not my cat. I legally cannot give it someone that the owner of the cat does not approve of.
ArchieChoseVeronica ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:21:23 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I did, once. A guy I briefly dated as a teenager never got his flu shots because his parents were anti-vaxxers. His mom explained why she didn't trust them once, but it was a long time ago and I don't remember her reasoning now. But I do remember she was VERY pompous and superior about it. I told the boyfriend I got my flu shots every year and then he asked if I ever got the flu, to which I said no. He was amazed. He could not believe I had never gotten the flu. It made me sad. It seemed like him and his brother got the flu often :(
Semicolon_Expected ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:31:59 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know ONE but he's a conspiracy theorist and unironically talks about how jet fuel can't melt steel beams, flat earth, and other things you might see in r/conspiracy so that might not count
WellPricklyMyCactus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:36:59 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I ran into one about a year ago, accidentally.
Heard a well dressed older dude ranting to what was either his daughter or at the least someone a generation+ younger than them, about how pissed they were in regards to their kid/vaccination. Having only heard bits of their anger, I mistakenly assumed they were angry that someone had told their kid the whole 'vaccines cause autism' thing, as that matched the fragments I'd heard, and I attempted to sympathize with them.
SURPRISE, it was an anti-vaxxer... and no, I can't say that they had anything interesting to say - any and all attempts I made to find out where they were getting their ideas from, even a point in the direction so I could research it myself, was met with basically 'I shouldn't have to tell you, you should already know, it's OBVIOUS' style pushback. Even when I tried to get them to elaborate on... anything, really, other than their anger that other people don't share their stance, they just went right back to it. 'Twas strange.
I'm still hoping to encounter the white whale that is an anti-vaxxer that will attempt to actually debate their stance... but I get this feeling I haven't found any for a reason.
NotClever ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:44:02 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only two that I'm aware of. Both were co-workers with multiple post-graduate degrees in STEM fields. One of them never talked about it, and I only heard about it through someone else telling me about it. The other didn't really talk about it per se, but we were out to lunch with another coworker that happened to be an MD, and somehow the topic came up. The MD knocked down every one of his assertions about why vaccines were wrong by pointing out that studies had debunked them until all he was left with was that he didn't trust doctors.
GillianOMalley ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:12:32 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My sister and all of her friends. She also thinks lavender oil cures the flu.
Sharpieman20 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:30:54 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, my aunt is an anti-vaxxer.
itekk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:40:39 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unfortunately yes, a few old friends. Most of them also believe in pretty much every other conspiracy Alex Jones sells them too.
dionvc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:45:19 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes I knew some anti vaxxers. They're nice people and I hope their kids dont die from polio or something crazy. Apparently they moved away from their previous country because they were being investigated for child abuse because a doctor reported them not vaccinating their children.
BigYearColorado ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:05:47 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, but she believes in pretty much everything and I don't know if she has dementia but she was never really all there to begin with. In her case I think she clings to bullshit like "put an onion in the corner of your room to prevent the flu" and "drinking cold water will stop your heart and destroys the ph balance of your stomach." I'm not exaggerating either of those, by the way.
I think she believes in so much bullshit because fear in something she can avoid is a hell of a lot better than dealing with a real problem that she can't control. A lot of the anti-vaxxers I've met are the same way. Before it was anti-vaxx, it was Morgellon's. There are always desperate people who will believe in something that gives them a solution.
Imissmyusername ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:15:39 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Depends on what you're considering an anti vaxxer. Like the crazy ones that advocate against it? I haven't met one of those but my ex husband said "we're not going to get [son's name] vaccinated right?". I said yes we were and he acted all worried and started spouting bullshit. When I asked him where he heard all that shit, he said on a post on Facebook then admitted he didn't actually look any further into it than that. I think a lot of anti vaxxers get info like that and then you have the crazy vocal ones that actually look into the bogus research on it.
Pm-me-gift-cardz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:46:24 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ex girlfriend and her whole family, my old friends mother, a childhood friends mother (all spend too much time on Facebook), the president of the US (twitter), my boss at work etc. it's fairly common and in the suburbs also where it's less scientifically/intellectually inclined
anliotxa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:50:39 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know a few from my children's school. 1 mother of 5 declined vaccines for all her children and they all got measles, 1 died and the rest spent time in hoslital. It was all over the news where I live. I bet the mum regrets it now she lost a child and allowed the other to get severely ill
Globalpigeon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:26:42 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I met one, she also believed in that bullshit about chem trails.
coullottesfrancaises ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:54 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup.
[deleted] ยท -22 points ยท Posted at 15:44:15 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Atthevoltain ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 15:57:05 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is absolutely not how auto-immune diseases work.
jifPBonly ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:57:50 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course all medication have side effects. I'm very sorry that unfortunately you were one of those people to experience those effects. However, for the collective good, vaccines are extremely important.
OneTrueChaika ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:58:46 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Riiiight, and while its really unfortunate you're one of the one in a million who suffers from negative side effects, there's countless more who are perfectly fine with the vaccines, and those vaccines serve to protect far more people than the side effects would hurt. So its kind of a greater good thing, a little personal sacrifice to help everyone around you, especially children/elderly.
Beardamus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:55:14 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Since you're just making things up vaccines cured my cancer and increased my IQ! They even made me win the lottery. I personally saw the MMR vaccine bring 80+ people back to life in Africa, two people even grew wings!
SoapSudGaming ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:51:49 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
11 year olds could be that smart, I just doubt that they are if they come from anti-vax parents.
ShardsOfReality ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:13:53 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Boom! Roasted!
reddit25 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:28:41 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unvaccinated 11 year olds are pretty smart. Source: am one.
Rudefire ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:21:24 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe he's autistic and vaccine ingredients are his fixation.
jb2386 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:38:35 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey you never know, they could have spent every waking hour forcing the kid to learn them and abusing him if he got it wrong.
Pennigans ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:16:35 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe he's already autistic
im_yo_huckleberry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:14:51 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Indoctrination is a powerful tool.
Semicolon_Expected ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:28:36 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As a child with who's parents started SAT prep when I was 6. I had a surprisingly large vocabulary when I was 11. I remembered juxtaposition and dichotomy gave me trouble but now those are the only SAT words I can pull out on a dime and use in a sentence
Pilsu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:14:17 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unless he's autistic. Zing and so forth.
Mastur_Of_Bait ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:48:55 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
11 year olds aren't as stupid as you think they are.
pixiedust93 ยท 213 points ยท Posted at 15:03:36 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, when I was a kid I'd say anything to try to get out of having a shot.... Too bad my mom was a good parent and dragged me to get them anyway.
Ladyingreypajamas ยท 158 points ยท Posted at 16:24:58 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have to put my children into full body holds for vaccinations. It's not fun, it sucks, it hurts them, and we all end up crying everytime because it's so stressful.
But then we go get ice cream, and nobody dies from preventable illnesses. Win-win, really.
pixiedust93 ยท 61 points ยท Posted at 16:50:55 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I once hid behind the exam table (it was in the corner). It took 3 people to get me out and give me the shots... I feel bad about it now. Those poor nurses....
Ladyingreypajamas ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 17:17:59 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's ok. Those are amusing stories they chat with their friends and family about. It's just another day in the life.
walkthroughthefire ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:41:46 on November 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you my sister? She used to do this too.
cfspen514 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:56:55 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Giving my cats their medicine and shots these days reminds me so much of what my parents had to deal with when taking my brother and I in for our shots. Everyone tries to hide behind the exam table and it takes two people to hold the patient down long enough to get the job done :P
sweetnesssa ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:05:56 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm afraid of needles and managed to fake sick everyday in high school when they were happening. Eventually, when they went to see if I had everything lined up for graduation they realized all the missed shots and called my mom.
Mom made me go to the health clinic once a week for about a month to get caught up on all of them.
Ladyingreypajamas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:15:20 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry you have to deal with that fear. It's really sucky because vaccinations are so important. Great job working through it.
sweetnesssa ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:39:03 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Funny enough I'm mostly over it now (enough so I even got a tattoo) but I still get woozy when I have blood taken.
matthewboy2000 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:04:35 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You better let them get mini marshmallows on them. They're the best thing ever.
Ladyingreypajamas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:10:19 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They always choose gummies. I get brownies.
matthewboy2000 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:19:33 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, you mean like...?
Ladyingreypajamas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:24:45 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
More like this
dougglatt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:54:37 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My daughter kicked the nurse giving her a flu shot in the chin last year. I ended up needing help (I'm just shy of 300, 6'5" and work out enough to be considered strong) from 2 other nurses to hold her down.... she was 6.
I'm already dreading this year's trip, it might start with whiskey for BOTH of us.
Ladyingreypajamas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:27:20 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I put their butts in my lap, criss cross my legs over their knees, and wrap my arms around their upper bodies and elbows. Now that they're tall enough to hit me in the nose with their heads, I also push their heads to the side against my shoulder with my own head. Keeps them immobile. It's not comfortable for any of us. It looks mean, but it's so much better than being accidentally scratched by the needle, which has happened. Or being jabbed in the bone because they kicked at just the wrong time.
iushciuweiush ยท 621 points ยท Posted at 14:33:03 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That kid is going to be a writer.
"So I tell him the dangers and he turned pale, his hands turned clammy, and with a bead of sweat dripping down his brow he said 'd...do my parents know this?' with a look of fear on his face unlike I've ever seen. It was pretty cool mom."
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fungah ยท 98 points ยท Posted at 15:09:18 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He looked towards the monkey bars and the knot in his stomach grew tighter. He always felt cold, desperate fear and remorse when he was near the monkey bars. This time it was different. It was a fear born not from guilt and possible discovery, but a concrete kind of fear made all the more terrifying by its tangibility.
It was almost too much to bear. He stared at the now smooth earth of the playground, and remembered the cool evening air that hung about him as he broke ground and dug, almost until dawn, to bury his guilt.
The fear he felt now was different than the fear of someone finding what he'd buried under the monkey bars, along with his innocence.
The fear he felt now was inexplicably worse.
[deleted] ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 16:43:07 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was a cold and stormy evening. I had a sandwich, but tonight... tonight I wanted something more. I had a hunger... for bad fiction.
CaptainNapalm22 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:05:05 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At the sound of the first syllable of the word "Mercury", he began having flashbacks to his days in Vietnam.
Shoggoththe12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:48:39 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The poor kid. I feel his longstanding duties have... Affected him.
TheGuyWhoLolz ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 14:51:45 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For a split second I thought I was going to be caught off guard with a "mum's spaghetti".
thratty ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:43:49 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You were on guard then, weren't you?
TheGuyWhoLolz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:47:09 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Always.
gliotic ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 16:17:40 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The fog lay low on the moors that night while the stars sparkled in their thousands. From out the gloom came an unearthly whisper, high and reedy: "hey thimerosal gives u autism." I hastened my step.
kal824 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:18:02 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There was vomit on his sweater already, mom's spaghetti
_Wartoaster_ ยท 4506 points ยท Posted at 13:13:36 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actual conversation between two eleven-year-olds:
"Do you like trucks? My favorite videogame is mario"
"Hahahaha I farted!"
jemyr ยท 278 points ยท Posted at 16:42:55 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually 11 year olds are great at pompously regurgitating what their parents have told them.
FuckingSynths ยท 72 points ยท Posted at 18:27:03 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This more than anything.
If they heard from someone they look up to that lincoln was a tranny horserapist, thats what they would proudly regurgitate, and orobably get into a fight over when the other kids tease him for saying
gordo65 ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 19:18:30 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
11-year-olds especially like to repeat the stuff that they think no-one else knows, like the fact that doctors are paid to lie to their patients.
melperz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:31:26 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Doctors hate him!
Dingus_McDoodle_Esq ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:15:05 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I read horserapist as HOR-sera-pist and had no idea what you were talking about.
AlisonJaneMarie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:50:02 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ahhh!! I see you teach Middle School. LOL
sewsnap ยท 480 points ยท Posted at 16:11:00 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think you're talking about 5 y/os. 11 y/o boy talk about Minecraft or sports.
_Wartoaster_ ยท 165 points ยท Posted at 16:55:47 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You haven't met my nephews
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Chispy ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:20:51 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
this guy firetrucks
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totallynot14_ ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:00:20 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yeah you found the joke
idkwhattoputhere00 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:38:57 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Woosh
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idkwhattoputhere00 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:49:37 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
............ok?
Kyoopy11 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:39:30 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd imagine brothers/cousins being in the same room and just filling dead air with random statements is different than two kids having an "actual" conversation.
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molsonbeagle ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:47:11 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have an 11 year old. Minecraft, legos, Halo, Destiny. They ain't that deep.
sewsnap ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:19:36 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They are little parakeets though. I have a nine (almost 10, he wouldn't want me forgetting that) y/o. And the kid brings up shit I didn't even think he could hear.
machenise ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:10:20 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I once attempted to walk into a room and was immediately kicked out by the two boys I wanted to talk to, B & D.
Me: What's going on?
B: giggling Just go! Just get out of here!
D: He farted! guffawing It's so bad!
B: I didn't fart! You farted!
D: No, you did!
The two boys were actually grown ass men in their late 20s, and they were fellow managers at my store. They were actually above me in management. This was not a one time occurrence. Men will never not think fart jokes are funny, no matter how old they are.
sewsnap ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:15:25 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was just referring to the trucks part really. No guy ever grows out of the fart thing.
NeedToProgram ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:10:11 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah.
rikalessandro ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:47:29 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shit, man. I'm 20 and "Hahahahah I farted" is guaranteed to get some laughs out of me and my group of friends.
sewsnap ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:21:06 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think that's pretty timeless for guys (and girls when we're with our trusted girlfriends)
zetswei ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:30:23 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Still taling about 5 year olds. My 6 year old has done nothing but talk about minecraft for 2 years now. I fucking hate that game.
MamaPenguin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:25:44 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm getting all of those at 5
Imperium_Dragon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:38:52 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or Call of Duty.
OminousG ยท 403 points ยท Posted at 16:17:00 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
11 years old is 5th grade. They start sex Ed around here then. My daughter came home one day last year talking about pompeii and condoms. Took me by surprise.
dankestdame ยท 296 points ยท Posted at 16:18:58 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pompeii & Condoms ... Sounds like a boutique name lmfao
IfaqYurmama ยท 97 points ยท Posted at 17:35:38 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
or r/bandnames
elhaupto ยท 70 points ยท Posted at 17:13:49 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Ay bb u wanna come over for some Pompeii and Condoms?"
Lich_Jesus ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 17:50:54 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Condoms before Pompeii, be safe
Rollinstone1980 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:23:22 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
r/nocontext
Luigi1364Rewritten ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:36:07 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the Italian word for blow job is similar to Pompeii
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:03:59 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
pompeii ?
OminousG ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:05:57 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pompeii
ancient city that was swallowed by an eruption. She was trying to wrap her head around the level of a catastrophe that would so easily wipe a city off the earth.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:07:21 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know what the city of Pompeii is... but in your context is sounded like "My daughter started sex ed and began talking about pompeii", so I was curious if it was a typo or if there was something about pompeii that I didn't know...
philonius ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:30:39 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is a connection between the two, but it's far too disgusting to mention even on reddit. I just can't believe that OminousG's kid is learning about it in school. Times change, I guess.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:38:03 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Too disgusting to mention on Reddit? Have you seen some of these subs?
philonius ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:48:59 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't want to discuss it and then have to live with the guilt that I may have pushed some poor redditor over into having a full-blown pyroclastic flow fetish.
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:10:43 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.reddit.com/r/insanepeoplefacebook/comments/6x6r9j/found_on_rthathappened/dme22va/
Pennigans ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:15:26 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
11 year olds are in 6th grade. But you're definitely correct.
OminousG ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:20:30 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cut offs vary but you usually end up with about a quarter of a grade on either edge of the deadline. My daughter turns 12 next month, so for a majority of 5th she was 11.
Pennigans ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:51:09 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm the opposite. My birthday is the end of May so in 5th I was 9 excerpt for a few weeks at the end. I just know the regular ages for the grades and go by that. I never really thought about how I was always younger.
wimb0 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:11:51 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't start sex ed until 8th grade. Idk what you are talking about sex ed in 5th.
Billabo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:46:48 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I had sex ed in 5th grade. The younger you teach about it, the less likely that kids will be taken advantage of, because they know what's happening. Plus, puberty can begin at that age, more likely in girls.
attohs ยท 647 points ยท Posted at 14:16:25 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sonic is better.
Captain_Nesquick ยท 289 points ยท Posted at 14:23:04 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Megaman is better
FlapYourWingsBoy ยท 201 points ยท Posted at 14:28:10 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Samus is better
Al3jandr0 ยท 342 points ยท Posted at 14:45:34 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're all wrong. Nothing is better than having farted.
Heliocentrix ยท 113 points ยท Posted at 14:50:00 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HAHAHAHAHAHA!
Farts.
DJSlambert ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 17:03:38 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
*Holds up spork*
theseconddennis ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 17:28:17 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't.
_Not_Bruce_Wayne_ ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:59:38 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why is the "don't" comment always higher up than the actual copypasta
uristMcBadRAM ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:52:55 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't ask.
Mmchips96 ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 18:11:37 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
hi every1 im new!!!!!!! *holds up spork* my name is katy but u can call me t3h PeNgU1N oF d00m!!!!!!!! lolโฆas u can see im very random!!!! thats why i came here, 2 meet random ppl like me _โฆ im 13 years old (im mature 4 my age tho!!) i like 2 watch invader zim w/ my girlfreind (im bi if u dont like it deal w/it) its our favorite tv show!!! bcuz its SOOOO random!!!! shes random 2 of course but i want 2 meet more random ppl =) like they say the more the merrier!!!! lolโฆneways i hope 2 make alot of freinds here so give me lots of commentses!!!! DOOOOOMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! <--- me bein random again _^ heheโฆtoodles!!!!!
love and waffles,
t3h PeNgU1N oF d00m
mwinks99 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:17:52 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Boobs are better!
TheCheshireCody ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 16:34:33 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not until you're thirteen or so. When I was eleven girls were still icky to me and all of my friends.
mwinks99 ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 16:38:04 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People say this, but I dont remember a time when I EVER didnt like boobs.
crueltyfromweakness ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:57:45 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same here man, when I was growing up I never really noticed that whole "the opposite sex is icky" thing. In fact my two best friends all the way through elementary and middle school were a guy and a girl.
Anarchkitty ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:11:57 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Depends on how old you are. It seemed to stop being a thing shortly into the Millennial generation. By the time I was in high school, the elementary schoolers didn't care any more.
TheCheshireCody ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:53:20 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, that's fair. I had a MAJOR crush on Samantha Fox when I was a kid, and it wasn't because of her singing.
Anarchkitty ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:09:26 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I pretended I didn't like girls for years because of peer pressure from other boys, but I've always secretly loved them and drooled over lingerie and swimsuit ads, women's magazines, stolen Playboys, etc.
Gamped ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:20:04 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Google: 11 year old boobs
CtrlCCtrlVVVV ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:35:54 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why don't you have a seat...
_Wartoaster_ ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 15:27:17 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This guy gets it.
ImNotAaronPaul ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:27:11 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're wrong. Farting is better than having farted.
Imperium_Dragon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:39:14 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Burps are better.
Larjersig18 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:21:26 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except for Qbert
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:55:37 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Carvernicus ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:00:53 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Casually talks about their dad massacring their friends family.
Osric250 ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 15:14:54 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shampoo is better. I go on first and clean the hair.
NomadicRobot ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 15:27:11 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, Conditioner is better. I go on last and make the hair silky smooth
Ouroboron ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 15:42:26 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
STOP STARING AT ME, SWAN!
cyphrr ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:34:56 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
NUDIE MAGAZINE DAY! NUDIE MAGAZINE DAY!
minddropstudios ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:23:22 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dat Veronica Vaughn is one piece of ace!
Juandules ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 15:08:57 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean Metroid. He's my favorite Nintendo character!
FordFB67 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 15:55:36 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I always liked that Zelda guy
iamtheonewhocrocs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:49:46 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No. Link.
PeridotEX ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:24:07 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Y cant he crawl ?
FlapYourWingsBoy ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 15:15:38 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No. Samus.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:30:34 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Whoosh
dippleshnaz ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 15:54:32 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mortal Kombat on Sega Genesis is the best video game ever.
mwinks99 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 16:18:50 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I disagree. It's a very good game, but I think Donkey Kong is better.
Phantom-Space-Man ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:25:05 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Donkey Kong Sucks!!! (no it doesn't)
DenizenOfBellona ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:36:46 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know what? You suck.
philonius ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:27:37 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know, I know, I'm really in the minority here but.... Centipede and Food Fight on the Atari 5200
Not enough people had this system so they might not know just how damn fun and challenging those two games were. I think to beat the upper levels you have to actually be born outside our galaxy.
theforgottenddplayer ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:40:36 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
PONG is better
FlapYourWingsBoy ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:49:49 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No. Cowboys and Indians.
HDRed ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:27:48 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Found the racist!
belfaj26 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:24:33 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He means "Custer's Revenge"
FlapYourWingsBoy ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:47:31 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, no... I forgot it was 2017!!!
HDRed ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:01:42 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We had so much hope for you too
FlapYourWingsBoy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:23:49 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I meant native Americans! I MEANT NATIVE AMERICAAAAANSS!!
theforgottenddplayer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:04:20 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You Meant Pong
Demopublican ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:52:54 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stick and hoop ftw
Dyko ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:56:08 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Metal Gear!?!
FlapYourWingsBoy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:08:04 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No. Samus.
idkwhattoputhere00 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:40:37 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hind D?
form_an_opinion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:35:17 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shampoo is better
LotoSage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:47:13 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Orange pride
Betaalpha4 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:02:55 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Megaman Zero*
mikeydel307 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:49:43 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
MEGAMAN SUCKS!
canine_canestas ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 15:25:53 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know what? You suck!
Helpdeskagent ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:03:16 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You take that back!
yellowzorua ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:56:43 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
M8 ever heard of opinion btw Mega man was an arcade game so it's on purposely hard
mikeydel307 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:00:21 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know. I actually love Mega Man, but I was referencing Billy Madison, just without Donkey Kong as an option.
Icosahedralizational ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:28 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They were born in 2006, so "What's a mega man?"
THEBillcosby ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:41:31 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Vector-man is better.
THEBillcosby ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:41:41 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Vector-man is better.
ieatass2 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 16:18:24 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
MaohTheGiant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:19:49 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
MY WOODEN BADGE WAS DELICIOUS
Fecal_Armageddon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:58:03 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think Donkey Kong is the best game ever.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:02:49 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Donkey Kong sucks!
markswam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:06:00 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
*Dankey Kang.
FTFY.
NotClever ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:38:41 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude my dad works at Nintendo and mario is way better.
attohs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:19:08 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your mom was playing Genesis with my dad last night.
theswankeyone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:26 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
๐ ฑ๏ธonic is my ๐ ฑ๏ธity.
jko831 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:08:16 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
r/thehedgehog
jb2386 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:36:58 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
U wot m8? I'll fkn fight u
Suppafly ยท 61 points ยท Posted at 17:35:57 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, that's how conversations between eleven year olds are imagined by old people. That's an actual conversation between 3 year olds.
Source: own an actual 11 year old.
PM_ME_CARTOON_PICS ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 19:17:29 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When I was 11, I just talked about videogames and new swear words I recently learned to add to my edgy dictionary.
Also food.
source: was once 11
residentchubbychaser ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:24:03 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's 2017, you can't just own people.
joey_sandwich277 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:38:37 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, it's just too expensive, the same way the housing market is these days. Renting is much more attainable.
przemko271 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:35:28 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It seems your kid may be an alien in disguise.
Drfilthymcnasty ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:32:58 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But with way more f-bombs at that age.
ronaIdreagan ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:27:27 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I. Love. Him.
DoobertSpliffington ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 14:17:48 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This guy lives in the real world ๐๐ป
brentwilliams2 ยท 96 points ยท Posted at 16:14:39 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not really... My 5 year old would probably ask whether their friend liked trucks, but even then, that's getting pretty old. Mario might be 6 or 7. But at 11 years old, kids are not that dumb. Not saying that they are talking about vaccines and stuff, but it isn't like this person is saying.
DramaOnDisplay ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 16:22:31 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, by 11 they're trying to sneak in curse words with their friends to seem cooler. Farts are still legit funny, but toy trucks are mostly old hat. Mario is typically a "baby game" unless you grew up exclusively on Nintendo products.
snickers_snickers ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:15:45 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I took it as like...actual trucks. Kid's getting into vehicles.
AuroraHalsey ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 16:33:55 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When I was 11, a pretty common discussion point was about how David Cameron was the best choice to lead the country, and how we needed to get rid of Gordon Brown.
Of course, our political discussions were pretty shallow, but they were there.
kxxzy ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 16:51:49 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, being a Tory is a pretty uninformed and shallow viewpoint so that makes sense
AuroraHalsey ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 17:09:17 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The coalition government did a fair job. Better than 'New Labour' under Blair and Brown.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:00:04 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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AuroraHalsey ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:14:30 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The national debt blossomed under Blair, and we were dragged into a war based on lies.
BeardMan858 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:04:57 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No that's just because most children have been dumbed down by the toxins in vaccines. /s
Inerthal ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:24:47 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno man I thought 11 year old kids would be playing CoD and getting ready to shag everyone's mums.
papamajama ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:12:23 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sardonnicus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:48:14 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm 40 and this is pretty much all my conversations with my friends.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:58:03 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're not as dumb as you think they are.
BANAL_PROLAPSE ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:32:00 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're really fucking dumb. Source: am 12.
_Wartoaster_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:59:50 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
who said they're dumb?
gigglefarting ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:55:35 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not the biggest fan of trucks, but that's my conversation as a 31 year old.
Source: username.
Dinosauringg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:05:34 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you think eleven year olds are 7?
lubujackson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:12:58 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's because most 11 year olds are autistic because of vaccinations.
SCIENCE'D
SkidMcmarxxxx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:24:45 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You shouldn't project how you were at 11 on other people.
MamaPenguin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:25:03 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus I have to deal with this for seven more years?
surviva316 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:25:41 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah even if (huge "if" incoming) we lived in a world where vaccines were bad, there's no way the other friend would be so credulous of things that go against everything they've ever heard.
I remember one time in grade school, I had a cold sore, and my one precocious friend was like, "Don't you get those from sucking dirty dicks or something?" And everyone at the lunch table raged on him so hard for saying something so ridiculous. Imagine my surprise years later when I learned about oral herpes and how technically correct he was.
JasonIsMyMothersName ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:45:07 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes
Slightly_Stoopid_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:04:58 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
These kids from the 90s?
PooPooDooDoo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:08:19 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's what I sound like. Maybe I shouldn't have been vaccinated.
thenewyorkgod ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:08:21 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I.LOVE.HIM.
scam_radio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:18:22 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mortal Kombat for Sega Genesis is the best game ever.
Hraesvelg7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:31:10 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is an accurate transcript of Facebook threads between me and my other 37 year old friends.
KopitarFan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:33:31 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Insert a dab between each sentence.
Trax2oooK1ng ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:30:44 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh hi mark
generic-user-1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:28:24 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seems these two 11 year olds have been vaccinated.
idkwhattoputhere00 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:44:06 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually its more like:
"Ur so bad at this game i fucked your mom XD"
"haha good zinger XD"
Source: played mw2 multiplayer and forgot to turn voice chat off
OBRkenobi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:22:34 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, not at all.
ihatenewaccts ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:25:18 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like by 11 they are secretly saying fuck all the time like they are cool and making stupid poop jokes and other weird probably wrong sex jokes depending on where they grow up.
And by 11 if they are from a wealthier family they have ipads and phones so they are talking about whatever stupid app while snapchatting and the likes.
Couple years ago my cousin (12 now) had some kind of group text thing on her itouch. My aunt was scrolling through the messages and one of the boys sent a picture of his penis. My cousin didn't message in the chat I guess but also didn't tell her mom ? My aunt was pissed.
11 is around when they stop being cute truck lovers to fucking mini sociopaths, but they still don't care about vaccines.
[deleted] ยท 231 points ยท Posted at 15:59:13 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I fucking hate anti vaxxers. I have a genetic illness that comes with an immunodeficiency and if some little shit kid had given me typhoid or polio or some other disease because mombie didn't vax them I would've died. Have some consideration for...THE WORLD.
BamboozledDoggie ยท 62 points ยท Posted at 18:14:22 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget the possibility of nearly extinct diseases mutating and being able to affect the vaccinated people again.
KrazyTrumpeter05 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:56:24 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can't wait for polio to make a comeback;
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 00:52:07 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My dude with the way the anti vax movement is going the mombie army will have single manicured handedly brought back polio and diphtheria.
Player_Slayer_7 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 17:26:56 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TOKI YO TOMARE!!!
ItsKipz ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:55:56 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
how long can you move in the frozen time, jotaro
Zexis ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:44:32 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
BROWWWWWWWVVVVRRRR!
oddish56 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:06:41 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ONE SECOND HAS PASSED!
kieran81 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:55:59 on January 26, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
WWRRRRYYYYYYYY!
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:55:33 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
YEAH BUT DEY GOT BAD THINGS IN THEM WHICH MUST MEAN THEY'RE BAD FOR YOU!
It's like these people don't get how our immune systems work despite talking about how our immune systems can take care of it.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:50:17 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I got a mild case of the measles from the vax and it didn't deter my smart mom from continuing to vaccinate me according to school rules!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:20:38 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I got the flu from a flu shot but my mom was aware that sometimes that happens because they are technically injecting you with a little bit of the disease to get immunity to it.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:32:29 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"but i might die" is like the weakest argument anyone could make, nobody gives a shit if you live or die. if someone isnt going to vaccinate their kids what in the world makes you think all of sudden someone will at you and think "oh noooo this piece of shit nouterusnoproblem might die, of the 1:1,000,000,000 odds of catching polio in the USA, better go queue up"
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:50:35 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Asshole has a valid point. Nobody will change their opinions or practices because some stranger may die. Look how well that argument is working to keep ACA in effect.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:54:29 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
PLEASE NOTE: that is a harsh and terrible point of view and i no way endorse it, i am very good at playing devils advocate, or whatever that's called.
xkid8 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:18:41 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mombie. I love it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:50:47 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Credit belongs to /r/childfree but isn't it a great term?!
xkid8 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:53:37 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
so good. I work at a small coffee shop in a wealthy part of suburban New Jersey...it's like the mombie apocalypse in there. ugh.
noturmamaduh ยท 196 points ยท Posted at 14:48:09 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love when kids know how to repeat what their parents say. Its so hilarious!!! Like wow my child is so smart.
SabashChandraBose ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 17:02:24 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are no bad kids. Only bad parents.
It's sad how many bad parents are out there, and getting reaffirmed with their nut job theories thanks to pervasive social media.
snickers_snickers ยท 78 points ยท Posted at 17:20:50 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You've never met a sociobathic or borderline kid, have you? Those kids naturally tend to fucking suck. It's a mixture of both nature and nurture with most people, and those little dickheads are all nature.
Evillisa ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:49:24 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean even then one could argue that it's not entirely their fault, they were born with a disadvantage.
snickers_snickers ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:12:10 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not arguing that it's their fault. I'm saying there are amazing parents who have other wonderful children but one just naturally pops up as a total piece of shit.
That said, most serial killers and rapists were terribly abused as children. Lots of head injuries, too.
jeegte12 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:22:28 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
that's hilarious. let me guess how much experience you have dealing with children.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:16:08 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Yuccaphile ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:48:38 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You call them satisfied. In my opinion, there's nothing wrong with being content in life. Without any more information, I would call those people average but happy to be so.
You call them emotionally unavailable. It doesn't just happen with kids and parents, this often happens between couples as well. The reasons behind it can vary from a possible mental illness to just being too busy and not being able to prioritize well. Not all people are aware they're doing it, and sometimes all it takes is an honest conversation for them to realize what it is they're doing.
This one is impossible to answer because it's so vague. With age really does come wisdom, and while adults make mistakes the same as children and teens, it's really the reasoning behind their actions or inactions that define the merit of those actions. Sometimes they might just understand that the only way to learn is the hard way. It's good to let kids make some mistakes, it builds character and allows them to realize that they have control of their life, for good and bad.
1gramweed2gramskief ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:16:38 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't worry this never happened.
zuppaiaia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:43:29 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The other day I was downloading Spotify on my laptop while my 2-year-old nephew was playing in the same room. He had just heard a rooster sing outside and was very excited. So I was having those silly conversation you have with toddlers, when you talk about what you are doing and they repeat words, and I was like "I'm downloading Spotify now. Well, T., is Spotify a rooster, or is it an application?" He decided that application was too a complicated word, so he was adamant that Spotify is a rooster. He tried to repeat application at first, but wasn't worth it. Oh I love talking of my nephew.
KimchiTacos_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:25:48 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I dont get it.
flamedragon822 ยท 242 points ยท Posted at 13:11:28 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is the most happened thing that ever did dun happen
Paddy_Tanninger ยท 66 points ยท Posted at 17:34:44 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Boy I tell ya, if it wasn't for all those paychecks coming in from Big Vacc, my doctor wife wouldn't be rolling in all those extra hundreds of dollars a year made from continuously violating her Hippocratic oath.
We have TWO PS4s because of it. TWO.
Edit: But seriously folks I know a shitload of doctors since almost all her friends are M.D.s...these people wouldn't even write a scrip for each other, let alone administer "highly toxic and harmful" injections to children for what sounds like literally no reason other than money. Also like how much could Big Vaxx even be pocketing on each shot? Vaccines are generally free so I really don't understand where this supposed "payout" to M.D.s comes from. Or here's an even better point...if the whole exercise was to make extra money from giving people shots they don't need, why not just fucking shoot people with saline solution? Shit's damn near free, has zero side effects, and is super easy to produce and distribute. Why risk all these people finding out about poisonous toxic shots when the goal is just to pocket some cash from useless injections?
Plus I mean if doctors loved money THAT MUCH that they'd be willing to completely shit on every single thing they ever held dear and were taught during their ~12yrs of schooling, why the fuck are most people's family physicians taking lots of time off in the summer or working 3 days a week?
Like seriously, not that logic is a strong point for anti-vaxxers, but if someone really was anti-vaxx, just look up your M.D.'s work schedule and think to yourself "why would they be trying to get an couple thousand a year for pushing the Big Vaxx machine when they're not even working full weeks right now?"
BamboozledDoggie ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:24:18 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dang son, I better start "studying" medicine to get that big vacc and big med cash.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:43:36 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why should I believe you? You're clearly a lizard person.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:09:08 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's about general distrust. They don't believe they can ever trust a large organization. Therefore any conspiracy theory that suggests motivation (no matter how flimsy) feels more accurate to them than accepting what the CDC has to say. I blame extreme inequality. People distrust corporations, big banks, and at least 50% of the government (whatever their "opposite party" is) for assorted scandals that have gone unpunished because of their privilege, money, or connections. People are aware that they are potential victims (or at least comparative losers) for anyone higher than them in social/economic status. This generalized distrust has become so enormous that many people can't even trust the medical establishment or their own K-12 science education anymore. It's not just anti-vaxxing. Some parents think baby formula is basically poison and part of a similar conspiracy. Flat earthers are making a comeback. People proudly stared at the eclipse. If we can't win these people back (or at least their children) to the world of reason, our society is in trouble.
PYR4MIDHEAD ยท 60 points ยท Posted at 17:51:36 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
years later
'Sorry mom, no chemo for you! Do you have any idea what it does to your body?!'
[deleted] ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 18:48:12 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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PYR4MIDHEAD ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 19:30:18 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
chemicals
Chemicals sound more nefarious.
[deleted] ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 19:56:35 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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karmacop97 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:36:54 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Mom turn off the water now! I learned in chemistry that water is made of chemicals like hydrogen and oxygen! Water contains dihydrogen monoxide and 100% of people who consume it die!
PYR4MIDHEAD ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:39:21 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
furiously types another fictitious post on facebook
[deleted] ยท 219 points ยท Posted at 14:37:26 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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LustfulGumby ยท 57 points ยท Posted at 14:57:55 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And showered him with 100$ bills
Lexinator101 ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 17:09:54 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
%100$
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:29:49 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
please clap
chlorambucil ยท 114 points ยท Posted at 17:26:37 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As a physician this enrages me! According to this lady doctors are getting paid to vaccinate and here I am doing it for free like a chump!
delta102 ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 17:31:38 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What an idiot.
KameKani ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 20:12:11 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Another physician told me that vaccines are the one area in which she operates at a loss. She mentioned storage and other reasons I can't remember. Is that a common thing?
chlorambucil ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:44:08 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I work for a hospital system, so I'm insulated from those costs. This is one of the benefits of being an employee as a physician. Though, I've heard similar from colleagues in private practice that the when accounting for storage and nurse time there's no profit.
tgbst88 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:49:45 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Weird.. I thought in med school they taught fraud.
matthewboy2000 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:06:13 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As a nobody, this also enrages me
KickInTheAsgard ยท 98 points ยท Posted at 15:45:03 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even in own story cannot list the dangers or ingredients of vaccines xD
Zeus_Thunderballs ยท 71 points ยท Posted at 16:06:23 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gives an awesome reply that puts you in your place
BasketeerOverHere ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 16:48:27 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You guys, I'm like so smart now. You don't even know. You could ask me, "Kelly, what's the biggest company in the world?" And be like, "Blah blah blah, blah blah blah," giving you the exact right answer.
lubujackson ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:14:16 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I. LOVE. THIS.
BigGreenYamo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:47:07 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stands by and claps
huntdawgin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:41:33 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"that's my zeusy!"
matthewboy2000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:06:36 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yes.
LeKurakka ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 16:29:37 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's so difficult not to instinctively down vote this shit.
lessthancale ยท 126 points ยท Posted at 14:20:13 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Child abuse
idontfrickinknowman ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 14:28:34 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Another One Bites the Dust" starts playing
meh_day ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 17:20:05 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to throat punch parents like this. It's not so much that they choose to risk the wellbeing of their own children (although that's certainly awful), it's the fact that that their shit decision puts others that lack the ability (due to compromised immune systems) to be vaccinated in harms way as well. Fuck them. If I had a child with leukemia that was exposed to some totally preventable illness because of some whack job I would rage.
Edit: Fixed a few words for clarity.
huntdawgin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:49:21 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also the fact that she is proud of her idiocy
VivaSpiderJerusalem ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 15:20:15 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll take "Shit That Never Happened" for 200, Alex
ReallyNotARabbit ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:39:33 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
(Clears throat) "NINE. ELEVEN"
AlrightDoc ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 18:41:40 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"He gets paid to lie."
Unlike your mom, who just does it because she's crazy.
matthewboy2000 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:10:31 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She's discovered the true way to make money from home fast!
callmesnake13 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 16:52:52 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My 25 year old coworker: "I wasn't vaccinated and it's great to see that we're finally being accepted"
MrYourLastName ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:38:57 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really hope you coughed on them and walked away.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:12:17 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They aren't being accepted though. That's what all the controversy is about. Normal people don't accept their ignorant, fear-based recklessness. Sounds like someone has settled down in an echo chamber.
gordo65 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 19:15:35 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The other day, my 7-year-old daughter was singing a song she learned in school. One of the lines she sang was, "I may never ride in the calorie".
I told her that the word she's looking for is "cavalry". She got angry and said, "No, it's calorie! Cavalry is just a word you made up!"
I. Love. Her.
But sometimes she says some really stupid crap.
grandtheftcummies420 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:04:43 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"cheers, love! the calorie's here!"
IronicInternetName ยท 99 points ยท Posted at 14:49:35 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actual Conversation:
Kid: So yeah, found out my dad's a huge liar. This time he made up some anti-vax convo I never had and posted it in proud fashion. Does this mean I'm not good enough because I don't have shitty hippy logic?
Other Kid: Well... my dad voted for Trump.
Both: I guess we're just screwed.
monkeyfox ยท 61 points ยท Posted at 15:43:49 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ironically, a good portion of the anti-vax people I know also voted for Trump.
HayesCooper19 ยท 64 points ยท Posted at 15:44:56 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is... unsurprising.
jellybellybean2 ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 15:50:23 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Science is the devil!!1
zhaoz ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 16:43:24 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Momma always said crocodiles are ornery cause they have so many teeth, but no tooth brush!
Shoggoththe12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:50:29 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fake science!!!1!1!! /s
cajo3 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:59:01 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yeah! Those people think chromosomes determine your gender!
IronicInternetName ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:46:01 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe that's the problem... we "know" these people but aren't able to communicate with them in any meaningful way about, oh, life changing world-impacting issues. Seems like that might be a good starting point. That or we just round them up and stick them in front of their favorite TV shows, keep them watered & fed and try not to hurt their feelings.
Yuccaphile ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:42:50 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Huh, I think this is what's happened to our country already. We're so entertained we're complacent. We're taught by example that the only way to deal with a different opinion than our own is with vitriol. It's better to hate something than to try and understand it.
Thanks for your post.
Mark_Valentine ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:42:52 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not ironically. Trump himself stoked anti-vax fears and personally links vaccines to autism.
idkwhattoputhere00 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:45:54 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i am not surprised at all
originalmango ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:43:07 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because he saw a beautiful, beautiful baby just, after the vaccinations, became autistic. He then said "Believe me" because he never lies or exaggerates.
Caprious ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:59:08 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You actually do have to be immunized to start school....
tookTHEwrongPILL ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:19:45 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In some places, not all or even most.
Edit: in America, anyway
floatingwithobrien ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:45:29 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I had a shot that you're supposed to get when you're four years old when I was three years and 361 days old. In elementary school I remember I needed to bring a paper to the nurse's office signed by my doctor saying that was okay. So yeah. Schools require vaccines.
KameKani ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:15:36 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Parents can get waivers for religious or philosophical beliefs in most states and waivers for medical reasons in all states.
Caprious ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:31:51 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Medical waivers are one thing.
Religious/Philosophical waivers are bullshit. Don't bring your diseases around us because your religion/philosophy doesn't allow you to properly immunize and care for yourself and your children.
kaaaaath ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:41:04 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In California at least, (barring medical exemption.)
poetniknowit ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:30:57 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"So, today my son went to school and proved that I am a complete idiot. Unfortunately, he's going to become one too!"
kbehr92 ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 15:12:41 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol "ingredients"
HayesCooper19 ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 15:52:57 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
matthewboy2000 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:09:30 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here's the ingredients that anti-vaxxers think they have:
Death
Death
Death
Death
Death
Death
Death
Death
Death
Death
Death
Death
Death
Death
Death
Death
Death
Death
Death
Death
Death
Death
Death
Death
Death
Death
Death
Death
Death
Death
Death
ษฅสษวp
Death
Death
Death
Death
Death
Death
MrYourLastName ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:40:06 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A pinch of paprika.
FunkyTK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:55:40 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You forgot Autism.
TheDarkGamerTdG ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:22:16 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I knew all of those were included (except the salt) but can I ask cups? Can those little needles really hold 3 1/2 cups of liquid plus some?
HayesCooper19 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:55:30 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, the salt is optional. I just find it really helps bring out the flavor of the formaldehyde.
To answer your question, this is the family size recipe. It can be scaled up or down as necessary. You can also adjust the ratios to preference. A bit more mercury, a bit less nanites, etc.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:55:57 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
SALT? NOOOOOOOO!
iamagainstit ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:38:57 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And not just any salt, MSG!!!
Semicolon_Expected ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:34:14 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You forgot pure autism.
HayesCooper19 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:42:15 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I see a lot of recipes that call for concentrated autism extract. I, personally, just choose not to include it. But to each, their own.
Shot_In_The_Darkrai ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:13:37 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
god damn it. Vaccines don't cause autism. Even if they did, these people are horrible for thinking that autism is literally worse than fucking DEATH.
MenstruationMagician ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:46:18 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One of the most heart breaking conversations I've had was with a dad who had an autistic son. He was almost in tears trying to understand why people would rather have their child die then have to raise a son like his.
caterpillargirl76 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:43:42 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly what I said to my husband.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:33:13 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They think vaccines cause all kinds of things, not just autism. Some think the autism claims are bogus but will then get all serious and explain to you how vaccines overload and damage infant immune systems, leading to a lifetime of frequent colds, increased occurrence of allergies, reduced energy levels, learning disabilities like ADHD, and so on. While some people are afraid that Big Pharma is trying to thin the herd or rake in the cash, others are convinced that well-meaning but stupid medical professionals don't realize that vaccine-preventable illnesses are not that big of a deal and that vaccines are making their children sickly dullards. In some cases they believe all of those things - Big Pharma is evil; some doctors don't know better, some are evil minions; the purpose of the plot is to thin the herd, destabilize society, and make people less healthy and intelligent, because that equals profit somehow. Point being - it's not always autism they are warning against. It's not even often autism. The people who are really involved in this movement tend to have developed far more intricate conspiracies in the face of debates against people who point out the autism link is bogus. Average dumbasses who join the movement on Facebook and then never debate it might cling to autism as their reason why, but the most frequent debaters have their own far-fetched explanations.
Shot_In_The_Darkrai ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:33:45 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
valid point, I was generalizing from the many arguments I've seen made about how vaccines cause autism, but a lot of the people who are farther into the anti vaccine shit have probably come up with more to say than just that. I point out the autism thing only because it was relative to my point of "people shouldn't treat learning disabilities, etc. as being equal to or worse than death." But yes, that is far from being the only reason vaccines are not accepted by a large group of people.
Bast_the_Tree ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:59:03 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And that Kid's name?
Albert Einstein.
AgeeTyler ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:00:17 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An 11 year old can list off the dangers and ingredients in vaccines? Wow, I call that brainwashed.
Pilsu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:27:55 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like garden variety autism.
I_was_once_America ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:54:13 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
*lists off dangers and ingredients.*
This is an inevitable phrase when dealing with these idiots. haven't you heard about the dangers and ingredients!!! But they will never list any of these dangers or ingredients. Except autism. Which is straight nonsense.
kaaaaath ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:36:04 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They also don't understand the difference between elements and compounds.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:23:27 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of these people do in fact read the ingredient labels. They do memorize info, and they keep a collection of links on hand (usually official links to prove their ingredient/dosage/etc info is correct, and then conspiracy theorist links to interpret that info as proof that vaccines are dangerous). They are informed in a sense, they just don't understand what their information means, and they don't trust the legitimate sources that are trying to explain it to them. I have known people with an otherwise solid understanding of basic science to go down this nutjob rabbit hole because they are so afraid of large organizations. This whole crazy movement is based on social fear, not ignorance. It couldn't spread without fear. People ignorant of the science used to vaccinate their children, no problem. Now we have people who should know better refusing to vax. The problem is fear - fear of being a victim of power, fear and misunderstanding of how an organization gains legitimacy, fear of people who know more than they do, fear of falling victim to an unscrupulous profiteer, and fear of government. The problem is 100% fear.
DRMontgomery ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:40:54 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My. Brain. Hurts.
Facts everyone should know in the 21st century: 1. The Earth isn't flat. 2. Chemtrails don't exist. 3. Vaccines don't cause autism. 4. Vaccines save lives.
You know what diseases I've never had?
Tetanus, Diphtheria (reduced toxoid), Acellular Pertussis (reduced toxoid), Measles, Mumps, Rubella, Polio, Varicella, Meningitis, Tuberculosis or Rotavirus.
You know why? Vaccines.
7even2wenty ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:21:00 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Best way to f with a conspiracy-tard: Jet fuel can't melt steel beams, but we have no idea what temperature chemtrail chemicals burn at...
Richard_U_Pickman ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:52:16 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I used to just think anti-Vaxxers were annoying. That was before I had children. My youngest son is autisitic. He got all of his vaccines because I love him and I am a reasonable responsible human being. As a parent to an autistic child I can safely now say "I FUCKING HATE ANTI-VAXXERS." Better diagnosis and understanding of the condition has led to proper identification. That weird kid you all went to school with? Maybe autistic. All those kids they labeled as "retarded" and put into institutions up until the 90's? Probably many autistic. They are distracting and diverting resources from actual research because some fuckwit made up a bunch of shit to make money on his autism-free vaccine.
Seriously. Fuck those people and if your unvaccinated kid spreads the measles or whooping cough then fuck you too.
Sincerely,
A parent of an autistic child
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 16:18:05 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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MaiqKnowsMuch ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 16:45:21 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
IMO, you'd be best to leave it alone. The anti-vaccination movement is like a religion now. Or more like a cult. They believe what they believe even in the face of all evidence. So basically you'd be trying to convert them to a new religion, which usually doesn't go well for friendships.
BaronWaiting ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:56:24 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We live in a world where vaccine effectiveness is considered a political issue.
jrcprl ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:41:52 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd never speak to them again.
thecatgoesmoo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:12:10 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I recently learned a friend doesn't believe in climate change. Ended a friendship over that. I've got no time for morons.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:58:28 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've posted this before but I think a good rule of thumb is to remember that people aren't generally able to remember exactly what was said throughout an entire conversation like this.
Because of that, any time I see a whole conversation posted somewhere, as if the poster is just able to freakishly remember every word of every sentence, it's literally never believable.
99% of the time it's sensationalized (like this) to benefit the writer. I'd venture to say that 90% of these interactions didn't actually happen; or a similar one happened and what we get is a recount of the story after the writer has pumped themselves up about what they could have said and how the other party just couldn't win and how the writer was victorious. We've also seen more extreme versions in which the surrounding people actually clap for the protagonist, in public, as if everyone-or anyone- really cared.
theasteroidrose ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:22:22 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Three days later her son came in contact with a new born baby and gave it whooping cough. Safe!!!
SpaceAgeUnicorn ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:42:06 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe it if the mom is crazy enough. They drill this shit into their kids heads until the kids become parrots. I showed my 6yo cousin a picture of dyed bread and he said I couldn't eat it because artificial colors will kill me. He also ran to tell me about cow pus on my bagel because he overheard his dad talking about it. I call bullshit on the other kid believing him though.
Upsjoey25 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:43:29 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Smallpox is pretty hip nowadays. Don't worry about my kid that had cancer and had no immune system. I'm sure he'll understand that your parents take medical advice from Jenny McCarthy
agaperion ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:01:29 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Idiots breeding little idiots.
Zoower ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:48:58 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There has never been supported evidence that vaccinations cause autism. There was a claim that a specific one did, and it was made because the guy was paid to make it by an alternate company. Read up.
DirtPilgrim ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:13:02 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mm the literal only time that I've personally seen vaccines do any damage to a person is my mums cousins, who were given a bad batch and are now unfortunately disabled (one to the point where she can't walk/talk) But normal vaccines that aren't a bad batch don't hurt people. (unless they have a reaction, which is usually not common) and this all happened before I was born, which is over 17 years ago. I'll never understand why people continue to believe shit like this.
Zoower ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:46:10 on September 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks-- good point, though. I forgot about the bad batches, because those do happen and it really sucks.
scott81425 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:53:17 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But vaccines cause old people. Ew.
Shauna_Malway-Tweep ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:10:09 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My son was born with a severe congenital heart defect. He was hospitalized until 7 months of age. They had to work magic between all the surgeries and procedures to get him vaccinated on time, but by God we did it. The hospital is crawling with the best germs.
Being a bit of a hippie, the doctors always asked me in a very hesitant way if he was up to date with his shots. There was always a big sigh of relief when I boomed "of fucking COURSE he is!" He always gets his flu shots, too.
I hate that we keep having to have the conversation, but I keep screaming it. Because my kid is one of the sick kids that will catch it first if yours isn't vaccinated. My kid is the kid that will die.
Get your fucking shots.
backdoorintruder ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:19:03 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can tell its fake since her son made it 11 years unvaccinated
chicknblender ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:31:50 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As a doctor the thing that pisses me off the most is the perception that we somehow are profiting from the vaccines. We are doing good just to break even on them, and sometimes we are reimbursed at a loss by insurance. So fuck me for trying to keep her kid from dying of parental stupidity.
vfxdev ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:58:51 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sad story.
My fiends had a kid and didn't vaccinate him because they were afraid of autism. They also put him on some strange vegan diet with these powders and stuff they ordered online, which turns out had some bacteria in it which exposed him to a disease that he would have been immune from. The kicker is that he was also diagnosed with autism recently.
DaHawk12 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:45:00 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As someone who takes lots of meds that lower my immune system. Nothing makes me angrier than these selfish "parents."
spritanium ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 17:51:55 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I guess this is how our society finally dies; we become so safe and apply so much weight to individuality that people end up demanding an end to intelligence
Antivaxxers, flat-earthers, MAGA, they're all just symptoms of the bigger problem. Now that people are so protected that they're free to ignore science and reason without the consequence of immediate death, they're going to tear down everything that made them so protected in the first place.
Shauna_Malway-Tweep ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:11:44 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We are heading into the next dark ages.
SewItAlly ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:28:37 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anti-vaxers make me cringe so bad.
anliotxa ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:46:14 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Vaccinations serve to protect the whole community not jist the person getting the vaccine. Some children are too sick to be able to be vaccinated so by vaccinating our children we protect the vulnerable children who can not get vaccines. By not getting your child vaccinated you could potentially kill a child who has already suffered with illness. Really selfish. You vaccinate for the common good of everyone.
Darth__Vader_ ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:43:25 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You beat me to it
Harambexbox ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:47:06 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stay woke ๐๐ป
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:31:54 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh that poor terrified other kid. :(
damnboi11 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:54:37 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No Better than Flatearthers
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:18:49 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Mike_IcE9 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:20:27 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
agreed.this and the flat earth people are one and the same.
The_New_York_Jets ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:37:27 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Failing to vaccinate your children is child abuse. It's like faith-healing only with the plague instead of cancer.
kaaaaath ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:33:05 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As a physician, very few things make me as angry as antivaxxers. If only Darwin's Law in this case wouldn't affect the rest of the world.
Zygomycosis ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:35:03 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a doctor and I'm still waiting for those payments from the evil big pharma companies.
souljabri557 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:24:01 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That word gives me bad vibes
BamboozledDoggie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:25:11 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It shouldn't, it's only a word a cult would use, totally harmless. (/s)
kitsunevremya ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:00:22 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And this is why I'm proud of Australia for banning that antivaxxer from getting a visa. Please don't let it spread here. Please.
Panda_Hero01 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:47:29 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You better start loving him more because his life is gonna get cut short!
Cooperjmartin724 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:20:22 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
On today's episode of Shit That Never Happened
Urgonawakethedog ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:41:57 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Their bloodline is weak and they won't survive the winter
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:00:01 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wtf vaccinations save your goddamn life
CuntOfCrownSt ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:17:30 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This story gave me autism
tolandruth ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:42:29 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why do o have to get a polio shot no one even gets that anymore.
brober23 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:43:17 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No one gets it because we give the polio shots
tolandruth ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:43:30 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Whoosh
DasiMeister ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:44:26 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rofl
FrancisCastiglione12 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:23:40 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For when vaccine education isn't enough
Balthazar_Stormrider ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:21:53 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is definitely how real 5th-6th grade kids converse. This definitely happened. I can tell from the pixels and from having seen quite a few kids in my time.
...wait.
jochi1543 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:12:24 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, yes, I do get paid! $11.01 per shot, minus 30% overhead. Laughing all the way to the bank with my $7.50....
Bork841 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:32:37 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Love him quickly. He'll be dead of Mumps in 3 years.
stevenw84 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:51:33 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If he needs the shots to be in school, how are they having the conversation in school?
soopercoop3 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:34:09 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So the kid got autism anyway?
Gr1pp717 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:35:40 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I imagine if this did happen that other kids face turned pale because he wasn't sure how to handle so much stupidity, and it made him uncomfortable.
The_UnApologist ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:46:49 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
11 year olds don't list of dangers and ingredients. This is a lie.
stark0788 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:05:12 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i refuse to believe this is at all real.
HoneyBoobBoob ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:27:02 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Im sure lil Braxxtynn also singlehandedly got the entire school to quit gluten and gmo too!
ravenousld3341 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:23:51 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nothing says I Love You like Polio.... in 2017
spiritcrusher77 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:31:21 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Congratulations, your child is officially your personal propaganda machine. What fantastic parenting.
Paxxlee ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:31:32 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As it is from r/thathappened the post is real, but I cannot help to think that the kid was.. A bit uninformed.
"It got aluminum and animal dna and something from dead guys and it can make you dead and dumb."
LangGeek ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:07:42 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How has anti-vaxer culture not died out yet? Genuine question. What popular person or organization is still pushing this ridiculous agenda?
socsa ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:18:18 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't mind me, I'm just here to sort by controversial.
VapeNational ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:19:02 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Once my doctor told me I needed more dihydrogen monoxide. All of the autistic kids drink dihydrogen monoxide. Nice try, Dr. Hernandez
Freefall84 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:25:39 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You love him? Hope he doesn't die from an easily preventable disease.
BR_Astar ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:41:45 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gotta love parents who indoctrinate their kids /s
TheVerjan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:49:26 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like how they tried to euphemize "Anti-Vaxxers" by naming the group "Vaccine Re-Education." Reminds me a lot of "Conversion Therapy," equally disproved and unscientific.
ImTooOldForThisShi- ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:35:05 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like mom is training her son into a true retarded clone with no desire to learn on his own about the benefits versus the very small risks that a life saving vaccine provides.
BenV94 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:40:48 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The vaccination circlejerk is so embarrassing.
'Anyone who disagrees with me is evil, insane and bad!'
Just embarrassing.
anotherbrokephotog ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:22:02 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If only the diseases they're not vaccinating against only killed them it would be perfect.
hgrad98 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:56:26 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So when their son dies of a disease or brings smallpox back into existence, we'll all know who the liar was.
LyingRedditBastard ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:05:10 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We'll my 8 year old actually did tell a kid he was going to die because he didn't get his vaccinations. Mom tried to go off on my wife, wife basically told her he was right, she was a bad mom, and that we should probably report her to CPS. Oddly enough we didn't see that woman again. Go figure.....
gravityisnothing ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:07:35 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love people who think they know more than a doctor. Go to medical school and get back to me. All of them are laughing at these moms.
TheLastCleverName ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:32:01 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I genuinely hate everything about this post. From the idoocy of the parent, to their pride in warping the mind of someone else's child, to the way they're boasting about their pointless kid on social media, to the asshole way they type "I. Love. Him".
Bleh. I need a shower. And a vaccination.
I_Am_The_Cosmos_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:40:49 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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pontonpete ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:21:02 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The lies - and stupidity - run deep.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:36:38 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Her six year told me block chain was the future of currency.
BillyFromOregon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:16:31 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And they all started clapping
_Franman_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:35:13 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fake, no kid would ever deny getting out of school early
mcgrathc09 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:27:33 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We can prevent disease. We can't do anything about your own Stupidity sir.
FullstopCoding ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:35:03 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reading this while waiting to get my third round of hep a and hep b vaccinations.
I hate stupid people.
IDontReadReplies3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:42:45 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It probably did happen.. there are tons of terrible parents out there who don't care how many children's lives they put at risk as long as they get to rant about government conspiracies and how all doctors on the planet obviously care more about a little bit of money than saving children's lives.
ShyGuy993 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:44:40 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
God damn that gave me serious cancer
fondlemeLeroy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:54:05 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, because you indoctrinated him, dumbass. What a shocker he parrots back bullshit you've been force-feeding him since birth.
JetsDuck ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:16:55 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Almost every doctor in the world is paid off... wow.
That is... elaborate.
PuffyPanda200 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:20:33 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What I really don't understand about the anti-vax argument is the continuation of not vaccinating.
No 11 year old has gone to bed not autistic, then woken up autistic. Autism isn't something one can get later in life.
CarolineTurpentine ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:31:21 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My lesbian cousin and her wife have a son, and he absolutely parrots their beliefs like this, we were at our family reunion once when he was around 8 or 9 and he was lecturing everyone on eating meat and how we were just too lazy to be vegetarians. They found it adorable and we found it irritating.
TheRealRandyOrton ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:32:45 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is fucked
TheMaStif ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:36:02 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"HEY GUYS!! LOOK AT HOW GOOD A MOTHER I AM!!!"
realsmartass ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:41:30 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Later boy contracts measles from his friend, who then passes it to his baby sister and she dies a horrible death. Vaccines are bad but diseases are good? Some people are just too dumb!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:47:54 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Son: lists off dangers and ingredients
(Because she doesn't actually know enough about the dangers and ingredients to list any)
AgentSkidMarks ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:10:42 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
r/thathappened
snoflakemyass ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:19:02 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you choose to not get your kid vaccinated and he gets sick should you go to jail for child endangerment?
Nimnam_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:20:05 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Autism is more deadly than every disease now. Yay...
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:20:32 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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RnBoos ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:22:31 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
they're ; ]
httpdia ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:22:37 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've been vaccinated and all that's changed with my body is a small circle on my upper thigh from where they gave the shot
kuzuboshii ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:48:05 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We have an undiagnosed mental illness problem in this country that is going to tear us apart.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:50:44 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I once overheard someone with a kid being in a really passionate conversation with someone about all the scary and dangerous ingredients in vaccines and how irresponsible it was for parents to risk their kids's health like that blabla. We were in a mcdonalds.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:59:07 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That never happened to anyone ever.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:04:22 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't be a sheep, Timmy, be exactly like Mommy!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:10:27 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That someone thinks this is incredible highlights how worrying its plausibility is. I mean this clearly isn't verbatim, 11 year olds aren't that wordy and unless he recorded it, then how would mom know? But an 11 year old could rattle off that shots are bad and their parents said so, and they have the added motive of hating shots, and they could imaginably tell their parents of the conversation. So let's not layer on too many layers of skepticism here.
Shipless_Captain ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:12:10 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I legitimately just don't understand the anti-vaxxer argument/movement. How do people actually believe this shit? I just can't wrap my head around it.
WhoCouldIBeNow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:12:35 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
this made my day worse
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:28:25 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He can't wait to get the mumps!
CripplerChris ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:02:15 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your son sounds like hes gonna grow up to be the worst kind of person.
woodenTurtle10 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:08:43 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They shouldn't have redacted the name. I feel like we all should know who these people are....
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:15:48 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah yes. Alongside anatomy and immunology there's also that 'mad scientist, evil finger pyramid and villian laugh' module you need to ace in order to complete your PhD. Can't believe you people don't know that.
vroomvroomx1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:43:34 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This reminds me of how people talk about HIV and AIDS and the stigma that exists around it.
The medications are worse for you than the virus/disease!
..... No, Massive Dose Monotherapy of AZT and or D4T were nearly as bad and or worse. Modern Therapy like Genvoya which is one pill a day with little to no side effects and provides a near normal life expectancy and also makes it nearly impossible to transmit the virus is the reality.
People need to educate themselves lol
Petuniapie164 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:17:47 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"I. Love. Him" Eyerolled so hard my eyes got stuck.
isthisSnapchat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:00:35 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did. Not. Happen.
allusernamestaken1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:57:24 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Vaccines truly are the greatest medical development of all time. Even now at a time where humans don't really experience a lot of natural selection, vaccines contribute so that some of the really dumb people eventually die since they never got vaccinated.
BamboozledDoggie ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:26:37 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd refer you to the concept of herd immunity and mutations of diseases.
allusernamestaken1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:03:06 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry bud, but my joke may have gone over your head. I was exaggerating to try to be funny.
BamboozledDoggie ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:43:40 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, but it wasn't exeggerated enough to be a funny joke.
Walloony ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:54:15 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We. Hate. Him. And. You.
T_re_y ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:13:37 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And they all lived happily ever after. Then got Polio.
streetsauce88 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:57:33 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What an idiot. Quit looking up blogs online about how bad vaccinations are.
reachingforthestarss ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:21:07 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That kid is seriously going to hate his mom
whenif he grows up and gets a fucking education.nature_remains ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:21:35 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Goddamn those doctors with their science gigoloing
jamesbenson1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:48:23 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The kid heard the side effects from his non doctor parents
gaurded44 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:01:58 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And the stupid continues to trickle down from one generation to the next.
grandtheftcummies420 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:03:14 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I. Hate. This.
drewmighty ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:56:03 on September 2, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As someone in med school who wants to practice medicine, these are the people who ruin society.
shortsleevedpants ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:46:50 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yeah I forgot how doctors get paid a commission for each vaccination they issue.
thatbakedpotato ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:06:50 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Could you link a study proving that?
Rambo1stBlood ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 20:35:04 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here it is
StopChewingInMyEar ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:49:33 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also. This is how Republicans are made too. Misinformation that creates generations of disease.
depreciatinginprice ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:21:17 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It makes me despair that people like that actually exist. But then, as a human race we are doomed. We mix red bull and alcohol even though the can specifically tells us not to.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:29:29 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The can is a higher power? People who listen to cans cause me despair.
depreciatinginprice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:32:44 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm ashamed to say it took me a moment to realise what you meant.
SolidSnakesBandana ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:29:32 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're just trying to hoard all the red bull alcohol for themselves
depreciatinginprice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:35 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oooo, that is a good theory.
theyareamongus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:32:57 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You. Gonna. Die.
kevingharvey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:08:23 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I see a Darwin award in their future...
Mmmelissamarie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:08 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
๐
Shovokhiin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:30:00 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just waiting for someone to say that you and your son are wrong..
Bruceygoosey23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:33:11 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
r/quityourbullshit
dembethewarrior ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:45:48 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Feel sorry for kids who's parents push their own crap opinions like this on them.
kcrob22 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:57 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why even go to a doctor then?
ponyboy3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:03:22 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
this makes me angry. i like turtles
MadmanEpic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:04:58 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
DOCTORS. HATE. HIM.
TVs_Tim_Stack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:12:49 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
cringe #takesanothershot
Yuccaphile ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:31:19 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why does this person have to be a mom? Are there not crazy dads out there?
BamboozledDoggie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:26:11 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Crazy dads" starter pack: "I have no son." "I did NOT have sexual relations with that woman." "Just getting some milk and food."
FappinBob ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:01:56 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"oh hi Mark"
SyrupBuccaneer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:33:06 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Doctors get paid to put up with parents who want to be lied to. It's a very stressful thing.
Betrayed_Nl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:39:22 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They should make schools soley for kids that arent vaccinated, it would be a cesspool of sickly children. Non vaccinated kids are lucky all other kids are. You are a dumbass and so is your kid which is soley your fault. Fucking idiot.
Mixbulk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:52 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Solely*
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:57:36 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder what school he was in, considering vaccinations are required for most public schools...
MegaDinosir ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:57:40 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
r/facepalm
sleepytaquito ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:12:00 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
this physically pains me
Mega_Ounce ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:14:54 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All of one of my 4 children survived and he turned out well!
The_Real_Kuji ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:17:02 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to downvote this into oblivion because fuck that parent, but it's insane people facebook and I chose to be here. Updoot.
King_Superman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:20:08 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit can we just make vaccines mandatory already? I'll never understand why we put up with this absolute nonsense bullshit.
Micronator ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:34:18 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder if he will love her when he catches a bout of deadness?
sauerpatchkid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:36:36 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just wait until his measles go away and he's feeling better. His combacks are unstoppable!
ronijonny ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:43:15 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus Christ
happyhomer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:43:49 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
http://imgur.com/UUCaXbk
quantumbill ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:02:57 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why did these anti vaccinators even start? Is there any merit to anything they say?
Is there actually any downside to vaccinations ?
brainsareoverrated ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:17:54 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There was a doctor who just wanted to become well known, and did a study that showed that vaccinating your kids gives them autism. He did this study by finding out if autistic kids has been vaccinated, rather than the other way around. He ended up having his doctor's licence revoked and got imprisoned.
brainsareoverrated ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:18:23 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also, no there isn't a downside.
jjg0750 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:38:29 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Occasionally people have had allergic reactions to the shots. I have an egg allergy so when that was a major component of flu vaccines it was less risky for me to not get vaccinated. This isn't much of an issue nowadays. Allergies also can make it dangerous to get antivenom shots as well.
yeah3111 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:33:31 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think a lot of the anti vaccinators in the USA can be traced back to this person:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenny_McCarthy
I wish I was kidding but I'm not.
Kesha_Pauler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:04:36 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This week on Raising Little Ikemans
asdfwer089 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:07:05 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus Fuck!
Meowmeow_kitten ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:12:22 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How are people this stupid? Serious question.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:21:08 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can we start giving these people Polio? Like seriously, let's start taking these people and putting them on a plane and send them to places like India or Pakistan so they can see Polio patients.
jjg0750 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:34:03 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh so now they get free vacations. Jeez
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:36:54 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hear rural Pakistan is gorgeous this time of year.
ReallyNotARabbit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:38 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Re-education
oxymoronic_oxygen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:25:23 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus, that actually hurt to read
This is anti-inoculation indoctrination
ShitFacedSteve ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:27:01 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
turns pale how could anyone be this stupid?
VinnySmallsz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:34:30 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kids say the darndest things
Edit: But not now
Poveytia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:36:00 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This bitch is crazy
butt_shrecker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:36:05 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A PhD I work with claims that the flu vaccine specifically is worthless. All of the normal small risks of normal vaccines with 0 of the benefits.
FappinBob ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:50:06 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That PhD is talking out of their ass, last years flu vac wasn't as effective as previous years batches, but it still helped millions of young and old folk that did benefit from it.
butt_shrecker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:23:36 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That might have been what he was referring too, he claimed that the stuff in the vaccines was not very representative of what people faced. Like they got some flus in there but they missed some of the most important flus. I am an engineer at big pharma, this is my understanding.
TrumpianCheetoTan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:38:36 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
r/wokekids
Aesculapius1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:43:55 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Family doc here. Still waiting on my check.
anarchyarcanine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:47:24 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even my University told me I could not attend class until I got a TDAP because it had been too long, and we very much have required vaccines. You have to get even more if you live on campus or are a nursing student. It is not a wish list. It's a necessity to attend.
I sure have my own issues, but I sure as hell am glad I lived this long, or haven't lived with damage from a totally preventable disease thanks to vaccinations. I won't even suffer from shingles someday because I never got chicken pox due to that shot. My parents didn't say "might as well get you exposed to it to get that sickness out of the way" because they knew better.
SmooveMooths ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:48:05 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
DO MY PARENTS AND DOCTOR KNOW ABOUT THIS?
Dangger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:49:11 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ego on these people. They think they know more than a person who has dedicated their entire lives to study medicine.
dmk510 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:49:37 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As brainwashed as the kids who hold signs for the Westboro "church".
J5LLO ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:51:04 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Turns pale
MilesG102 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:57:00 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think this is /r/thathappened material. If a kids been indoctrinated by his parents I could see him going around school preaching to the other kids.
Reminds me of that doc where Louis Theroux meets the Westboro Baptist Church and the kids are explaining how they tell other kids they are going to burn in hell if it comes up.
My mum is anti vaccine, I believed it for a long time.
skztr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:59:50 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Serious question, that I've never thought about before:
Are vaccinations free? Is the whole "anti-vax" thing actually just some people who are desperately cheap, to the point of putting others in danger, trying to feel justified as if they're making the decision based on something other than money?
Joint-User ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:01:15 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Evolution doin' its thing...
SavageCentipede ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:02:18 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I bet his parents didn't warn him about the dangers of deodorant and fluoride either!!
duhderdah ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:06:57 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait is the mom the teacher? Assuming this could have happened, which...no, how could she have been there and also know that the other kid had to leave early? And how does the kid whos super against shots go to school with the kid whos required to get shots by the school? Did i read that right?
Also maybe this is a harsh joke, but if your kid can accurately list and pronounce the harmful ingredients and their effects in the specific shots this other kid needs off the top of his head, then he might already be autistic. Get him his shots.
Immortal888 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:06:59 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I almost threw my phone across the room, holy shit. Whatafitting comment
_shreb_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:09:07 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Antivaxxers are easy material here
7-billion-and-1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:16:12 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have these people never heard of people in the third world not getting access to vaccines, which leads to large cases of many different communicable diseases on those countries. Hell, just read hinstory of diseases in your own country. Vaccines are a god send for humans to save uncountable lives. Please do not let natural selection act against your child just because you are too proud (or foolish. Choose your own adjective) to acknowledge that autism has nothing to do with vaccines. All the studies correlating vaccines with autism have been discredited and widely criticized in scientific community. I understand that as a parent you might like to point fingers somewhere for your child disability. But when you are pointing fingers at the wrong direction (vaccines in this case), it's a dis-service to all fellow humans around you.
stellarwatermelons ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:16:23 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know it's good content when your initial reaction is to downvote.
hoodedmexican ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:22:14 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is also great r/wokekids material.
DoverBoys ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:25:46 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would also love my child if they did this, knowing I raised a troll.
DeezNuts0218 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:26:52 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
r/wokekids
NegrodamusIII ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:27:05 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I DRINK HYDROGEN. FEAR ME, PUNY MORTALS.
nissingno ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:38:50 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
oh no you hast've'd ascended
notMcLovin77 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:28:42 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The internet was a mistake
RobertAntonWilson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:30:04 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol
myweed1esbigger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:37:07 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Careful, he could be barred from entering Australia.
juliet8810 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:37:13 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
dumb.
NeonSignsRain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:45:52 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One might say she loves him...to death.
AlecAlecmcd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:48:20 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your kid is going to die
restonturnzy100 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:50:47 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
wtf
LysergicLark ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:54:00 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What would be worse? This being true or that face the guy made this up?
Dumguy1214 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:54:44 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The worst ones listen music they like. And post pics of theyr family.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:56:31 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wish citing sources were as easy as * lists kick ass reasons here *. Would make writing essays waay easier.
medicalmolecules ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:28:35 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The water turns frogs gay. water frogs gay
VonDingus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:57:44 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus fucking Christ.
ilolicious ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:21:12 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actual question...has there been a case of a child that's never been vaccinated that is autistic??
mreed911 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:06:48 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's worse than that. Every child that is autistic was born, breathed oxygen and turned food into feces. So many things cause autism, it appears.
fontay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:25:58 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
These people are fucking breading!
Dithyrab ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:55:09 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like a bagel?
fontay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:48:21 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but that's not cream cheese
BurrrritoBoy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:27:44 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's the yeast we can do
Vikingslayerz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:29:16 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, probably some are into making bread but I doubt a lot are.
verpin_zal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:15:37 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, what with the floor prices going up and up.
fontay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:49:17 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck those bread makers, and their yeasty bitches
oddshouten ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:33:24 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely horrifically disgusting
TinyPotatoAttack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:48:31 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I find it funny they said lists reasons and ingredients instead of just stating them outright. I'm guessing they don't know any of them.
baskcsgo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:04:15 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
r/quityourbullshit
fro99er ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:13:53 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Facebook should ban that page that allows parent to freely talk about killing there children
Edit: not only there own kids but others as well
imtinyricketc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:19:22 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Let the plagues begin!"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:47:55 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where Insane People Come From for $1000
shewhomustbeobeyed1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:19:27 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We have all ready rudely highjacked the post, but please feel free to pm me.
scribeheart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:19:59 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Misinformation that kills.
Luminox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:38:47 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And he dies at the ripe old age of 12. Stupid bitch.
Shannistration ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:43:28 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This reminds me of when Trump was like, "have you seen the needle they use to vaccinate babies with? It's huge!" I've been vaccinating my baby on schedule and I've never seen the giant needle.
jamesbenson1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:48:38 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Side effect = breathing
changc422 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:26:28 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Vaccinated kids are immune right? So why do people care about antivaxxers?
Deeblite ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:51:36 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.vaccines.gov/basics/protection/index.html
Community Immunity ("Herd Immunity") Vaccines can prevent outbreaks of disease and save lives.
When a critical portion of a community is immunized against a contagious disease, most members of the community are protected against that disease because there is little opportunity for an outbreak. Even those who are not eligible for certain vaccinesโsuch as infants, pregnant women, or immunocompromised individualsโget some protection because the spread of contagious disease is contained. This is known as "community immunity."
The principle of community immunity applies to control of a variety of contagious diseases, including influenza, measles, mumps, rotavirus, and pneumococcal disease.
drewmighty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:01:45 on September 2, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
med student here with a short story.
In order to go to med school I had to update 1 of my vaccines. I also had to get a blood test to prove i was immune to chicken pox as well as measles. I had both vaccines before so I wasnt worried. Got the blood drawn. Results come in and it turns out I had low antibodies for both. In other words I was not immune. So I got a new vaccine the next day and everything is all good now.
moral: getting the vaccine helps build up antibodies, however not everyone has it. Some people do not develop enough antibodies to become immune. Some also have disorders that prevent vaccines. This is where herd immunity comes into play. Most people will bring up people who are immunocompromised, however most people forget that they themselves may be susceptible if they lack the appropriate number of antibodies.
theonijester ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:59:51 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder how many anti-vac people would die rejecting a treatment for a virus or disease that they turned down the vaccination for. Just morbidly curious.
Chef_Fats ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:03:05 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A liar and and idiot. Combo breaker!
craggolly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:47:26 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who is paying the doctors? Cui fucking bono?!
worriedaboutyou55 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:12:31 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If this is true i hope she loses her kid
Sumgamma ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:48:08 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I call bullshit.....
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:06:42 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And when your kid gets sick, I'm just gonna assume you're gonna take him on a spiritual journey and feed him noodles tossed with love.
lamprdo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:35:27 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I get some mother's have a hard time letting their kids out into the world; but surely, making it so they're likely to die before you, is a bit much...
Ashfinski ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:53:30 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That kid is woke AF.... the one getting the vaccine. The other kid is fucked.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:27:46 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rest in peace kiddo
demonchefofportland ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:30:46 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
These people should have their children taken away for abuse and neglect.
dodobrains ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:51:45 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's too early to be this aggravated.
069988244 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:04:25 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She seems like the type of mom who would poison her child to get sympathy on her blog.
GenericProtag ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:32:45 on September 5, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is it normal that I actually stopped getting shots after I turned 8?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:13:28 on September 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love my son because he repeats the things that came out of my mouth
almostasenpai ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:59:22 on September 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A conversation between my 11 year old son and his friend
Friend: I need to go to the doctor to get shots
Father: Why are you talking to his grave?
TravDOC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:50:13 on September 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Re-education" sounds like something out of a fictional dictatorship. Do these antivaxxers know how ominous that sounds?
Coachskau ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:50:45 on October 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Great job, dipshit, welcome to your life of frailty and mediocrity.
PM_ME_YOUR_BIG_LOAD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:54:12 on October 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Child? Pfft, more like propaganda vector, am I right soccer moms?
GoldenTopaz1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:19:49 on November 21, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like some poor kid had been successful brainwashed.
Nashenal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:42:20 on December 23, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
r/wokekids
summerfest2009 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:26:07 on January 15, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's too bad men and women's reproductive organs don't work unless you pass a test.
therealdeadmeme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:02:43 on January 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Conversation between my son and his doctor today:
Doctor: Alright, we're gonna need to give you a vaccination
Son: A vaccination?!
Doctor: Sir, your son is dead, please stop pretending you did the right thing
Son: Let me go dad
I. Love. Him.
MrVernonDursley ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:34:02 on January 31, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That friend? Abraham Lincoln.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:19:59 on February 6, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Of all the things that did not happen, this one did not happen the most
RusoDuma ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:07:40 on February 6, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I hope she dies of whatever her son contracts.
N64IsBetterThanPC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:14:24 on February 16, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The use of the term re-education is never a good thing.
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 15:03:48 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 20:40:00 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let's not forget mercury and aluminium!
Agrees_With_Dipshits ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:07:49 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:49:09 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow! Le epic trole circlejerk pandering to the hivemind account! You must be swimming in karma!
Agrees_With_Dipshits ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:01:05 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 20:11:54 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:36:35 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/health/cdc-begin-detaining-travellers-forced-vaccinations-unless-something/
http://www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/health/scientific-proof-refuse-vaccines/
theyrerightbehindyou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:24:34 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh God.
eycoli2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:33:17 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why do people lie like this? Do they not have shame?
WarwickshireBear ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 17:11:25 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
r/thathappened is such a strange sub. like, i get what it's aiming at (everyone applauded and that boys name was albert einstein etc etc) but it tends to just be full of people who seem a bit bitter that something interesting or funny was said or done by someone else and so decide it can't be true.
this, for example. i have no doubt that this could be a totally real convo from a young kid indoctrinated by anti-vaxxer parents.
happycakeday1 ยท -28 points ยท Posted at 14:56:28 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As if a doctor would want you NOT to get sick for economic reasons
Edit: I meant that in the crazy anti-vaxers logic (c'mon, they think that the government wants to control our minds with vaccines) doctors would NOT benefit from vaccines because it would take part of their job and/or income. This is not what I think.
HayesCooper19 ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 15:53:59 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Umm... Shouldn't you be on Facebook?
AlesioRFM ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 15:59:07 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think he means pharmaceutical companies make more money from non vaccinated people.
HayesCooper19 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 16:02:34 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah. Well, big pharma I can believe. But he didn't say that. He said doctors, which I take issue with.
happycakeday1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:53:18 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, that's what I meant, but I didn't want to expand too much. What I mean is that doctors would also make money by having sick people in their offices rather that people not getting sick (and not going to the doctor)
But anti-vaxers think that the vaccines are what MAKE you sick.
By the way, this is not my first language and that's one of the reasons why I didn't want to expand too much
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:05:55 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
but they get paid $400 per full vaccinated child. theyre paid to push what everybody should be addicted to. there should be overwhelming evidence to shut these people up. but there simply isnt. https://wellnessandequality.com/tag/blue-cross-blue-shields-physician-incentive-program/
_laz_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:26:01 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That "article" is absolutely horrendous. Get better sources.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:34:05 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the source is the pdf fool.
_laz_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:00:24 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The source is the website you posted which is trash, although it's not a surprise that you use that as a source.
Go crawl back into your conspiracy hole. You will feel more comfortable talking to people there, they are more on your level.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:14:45 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
are you kidding me? that has nothing to do with this. the issue was with doctors moron.
the article HAS a source. its a source of a source. its not THE source. moron.
_laz_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:23:37 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You posted a link to a biased article. It was trash, just like your views.
You definitely aren't the sharpest knife in the drawer there, are ya bud? Like I said, it's probably best you head back into your conspiracy safe place. You'll feel better there.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:04:44 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
youre STILL going on about the article? i addressed this a few times. the article has the pdf. i said NOTHING about the article.
Are you stupid? how does doctors getting paid extra to do their job a conspiracy related subject? AGAIN, THIS IS ADDRESSING DOCTORS. REREAD WHO I REPLIED TO AND WHO THEY DIRECTLY REPLIED TO SO YOU CAN HOPEFULLY UNDERSTAND. THE ONLY THING I SAID REMOTELY ENTAILING "CONSPIRACY" IS THAT THERE SHOULD BE OVERWHELMING EVIDENCE
moron
_laz_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:09:53 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh you poor thing
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:10:11 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
thanks
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:19:43 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
are you finished rereading the previous comments? do you have a better understanding? if im not the sharpest knife, that makes you lesser for failing to grasp the concepts right? "reaching" and claiming that any comment here is at or borderline conspiracy quality? repeating something (the article/PDF) that was already addressed? you can quote but you wont. theres nothing to connect.
dont even have the right pieces in the puzzle and still you claim you are finished. moron.
_laz_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:30:43 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really struck a cord there I guess. Sorry pal, I should know to be careful with the mentally deficient. Now scurry along back to your hole.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:36:31 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
struck a *chord? how is explaining that i already addressed you striking a chord? how is explaining how you are reaching striking a chord?
is it because i capitalized my point? and did the little "#" that confuses you so?
even if you DID strike a chord, how does that excuse your reading incompetence?
_laz_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:39:29 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure if you know, but that website you posted up there was shit.
Just thought you should be aware! ;)
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:47:40 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You fuckers with your conservative views and unwillingness to changed have fucked up so much. The mess you've left the world in will take decades to fix. Fuck you all. Fuck your racism. Fuck your inability to flex on fucking anything. I hate you. Your fuckers are the goddamn fucking worst. Thanks for trump. and brexit. and la pen. Fuck you. Fuck your lazy fucking oldness and your "Oh I'm an old dog and can't do new tricks" bullshit. Fuck right off and die. I've had this sitting on my chest for months. Jesus fucking christ I hate you. thanks so much for a world where your children will clean up your messes. Remember how you would always scold us when we didn't clean the table? Thanks for fucking up the planet and society. Suck a monstrous cock, drop dead, bye and die. Fuck you.
_laz_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:02:36 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Glad I could help relieve that pressure, honestly.
Your anger is misplaced though (unless this is some sort of copy pasta). I'm very open to changing my views, actually. And they are absolutely not conservative or pro trump, that's for sure.
Truth be told, I just get extremely frustrated talking to anti-vaxers on here I have a very short attention span with them and the subject.
Whatever the case may be, I hope you feel better!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:17:50 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
nice fake concern moron
HayesCooper19 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:58:29 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Insurance companies would rather pay a bonus to pediatricians to encourage vaccination than have to pay for the treatment of hundreds/thousands of kids suffering from measles, diphtheria, hepatitis B or any of the plethora of diseases which are preventable with vaccinations. Shocker.
How many people do you know that are addicted to vaccines? When was the last time you overheard some junkie talking about needing his MMR fix? I don't think you understand how addiction works.
No amount of evidence, no matter how compelling, will ever shut these people up. If you're stupid/crazy enough to be an anti-vaxxer you clearly have a very casual relationship with reality and logic, so why would they care about some silly little thing like evidence? It's not like a lack of evidence dissuades anti-vaxxers from spewing their nonsense.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:27:49 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
middle paragraph- holy crap you dont honestly think that i meant vaccine addiction literally? i meant every time theres a vac out, all people should want to get any they can afford to get their hands on.
1&3- yeah thats understandable , but the fact that its lumped in with other questionable payouts like diagnosing a condition a certain percentage, continuing treatment instead of curing, etc - is still the doctor getting paid. the thread was about doctors,economics just reread who i replied to. and who they replied to.
so thanks for highlighting what i already said. thanks for thinking i believe in Vaccine Addiction, something im sure most people have never heard of(based on absolutely no information. i could be wrong; there could be a lot of people that believe Vax Addiction) And i just think its scary my doctor is possibly "stupid" enough to believe antivax is great. what else does my doctor believe?
HayesCooper19 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:48 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, you're apparently an anti-vaxxer, or at least defending anti-vaxxers, and anti-vaxxers believe there are all these poisons in vaccines, that they cause autism and that they're part of some sort of government surveillance conspiracy. I can quite easily picture an anti-vaxxer spouting "OMG DON'T YOU KNOW THEY PUT HEROIN IN THOSE VACCINES TO MAKE THEM ADDICTIVE SO YOU HAVE TO KEEP GETTING VACCINES TO FEED THE ADDICTION?!?!"
I was the person you replied to. And the person I replied to was saying that big pharma actually makes more money from non-vaccinated people requiring costly, long term treatment for conditions that are preventable with vaccination, not doctors...
Umm... You're welcome? And like I said before, considering some of the batshit ideas that anti-vaxxers hold, it's not exactly a stretch to think they might believe vaccines are addictive. Just add it to the batshit list.
If your doctor believes anti-vax is great, it's time to find a new doctor. And report your doctor to the appropriate licensing authorities because a doctor pushing anti-vax and swaying other patients into that ideology is gross negligence in my opinion. Being skeptical about a new vaccine or telling a patient "we don't have all the info yet" is fine, but to outright condone, or even support anti-vaxxing flies in the face of the Hippocratic oath which that doctor has sworn to uphold.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:04 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ok but nothing like that was said. i only stated "everyone should be addicted to vaccines". im not sure why you try to group me in with "anti vaxxers think this" "so you must think so-and-so". im not sure why youre trying to stretch that statement from "everyone should be addicted" to "is addicted".
yeah and i was pointing out there are programs that do benefit doctors in addition to bug pharma. they should already be pushing vaxing to the max on brands universally agreed on(medically.not by anti vaxxers,insurance promoting brands, etc).and like i mentioned earlier, its grouped in with other programs that seem to benefit doctors based on the same principles.
i was really alluding to other topics medically disputed, and what influences their treatment behind the scenes. i think we should be able to quash anti vaxxers effortlessly. its not like i said vaccines directly/indirectly cause autism or something.
NEVERDOUBTED ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:11:14 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's actually the other way around.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:42:01 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Doctors earn salary, they are not paid based on how many sick kids come through.
People are stupid enough to kill themselves as adults by being fat and lazy, and there is a large demand for doctors right now.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:10:01 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
they still are "incentivized" to pushing vacs for some reason. extra $400 per fully vacd kid
https://wellnessandequality.com/tag/blue-cross-blue-shields-physician-incentive-program/
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:16:45 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:00:43 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
im only focused on the pdf. the website is the first one that had the pdf.
i dont need google to tell you its $25 to fully vac a child to get that bonus. page 15 , doctors in the program do get paid. that $400 is for the doctor. other things mentioned here like disease management(not curing them) also gives them a payout.
dont attack my views on the article when ive said nothing of it.
before i have to repeat myself, im only concerned about the pdf.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:51:38 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I suggest you ask an actual physician why this article is wrong. I took the time to ask one and he thoroughly explained it to me, now it's your turn to do the same.
getSmoke ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:07:20 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Too late for your edit. Reddit made its mind and expect downvotes to keep coming. Sorry bud, use /s next time.
happycakeday1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:06:52 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're right, I'm just going to sink down with the ship
throwaway150106 ยท -16 points ยท Posted at 19:28:38 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I support vaccination, but in the interests of truth at the expense of circle jerking, doctors are incentivized to administer vaccines in a number of countries[1] and are thus subject to an unscientific conflict of interest. Additionally, some doctors do take it upon themselves to lie rather than treat parents as rational adults, which only encourages conspiracy theories and a contempt for the truth among the public. Treat the public like adults and they will behave as such. We wouldn't have the political problems that we have today if the public weren't constantly infantilised by liberals and conservatives alike.
[1] http://www.budget.gov.au/2015-16/content/overview/download/Budget-2015-Overview.pdf
R3dstorm86 ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 19:39:41 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why is there a huge overlap among middle class liberal whites and antivaxxers? The same folks who decry the lack of climate change initiative but are putting their children at risk?
Edit for accuracy: I'm aware of the growing trend among republicans to go anti-vaxx. My question was posed about the origins of this culture.
2WheelRide ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:22:26 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's origins were upper class and upper-middle class liberals (race probably not a factor) that started pulling the anti-vax card. Those with stay-at-home moms who watched too many daytime-talk shows on TV that promoted the junk-science of it, and "researching" it on the interwebs. California till recently allowed anyone to fill out personal exemptions for their kids to attend school unvaccinated and these people had the time to do this. Also, their mentality was, "well I don't know if it's safe or not but because of herd immunity I don't need my kids to be vaccinated". So they rely on the poor and standard middle class folks to maintain the herd immunity and "risk" taking the vaccinations so they don't have to. Just the rich once again bootstrapping off the rest of em.
Jokes on them though, they started getting sick, cause the herd immunity percentage got too low, so now California has scrubbed the personal exemption rule. All kids in public schools should be vaccinated, like it should be.
Gazorpazorp520 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:47:22 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why is there such a huge overlap among middle class conservative whites and neo naziism?
Caleb_has_arrived ยท -35 points ยท Posted at 18:01:20 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Idk anymore I used to be a shove it down your throat guy for vaccines until I had children of my own and my sister in law may become permanently disabled due to the MMR, I now see parents concerns as legitimate I also believe they're good for a community as a whole but it's not so cut and dry as people make it out to be.
careoke ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 18:21:04 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well my half sister who was born in the 1970s in a less developed country is permanently deaf and disfigured because of measles. Nothing in life is ever 100% risk free, but not getting vaccinated is more dangerous than getting vaccinated.
NEVERDOUBTED ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 21:10:36 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sure about that? Do you really have all of the scientific data that properly shows all the risks of all the vaccines, or not using vaccines, under all the various situations and conditions?
Here's the answer, by the way. It doesn't exist.
homeyG75 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:35:28 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uh...literally the existence of all vaccines ever? Look at polio by itself. To quote wikipedia, "At its peak in the 1940s and 1950s, polio would paralyze or kill over half a million people worldwide every year." Now literally no one gets polio in the US anymore. Then look at all the other vaccines that exist. There's a reason they exist.
How about instead of googling "why r vaccines the devil" you should try searching for reasons that vaccines are good.
NEVERDOUBTED ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 22:43:43 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well...here's the deal. I'm not anti-vac. There is a time and place for them. And in some cases, no vaccine can mean death.
The biggest issue is that we put the application of them into a go or no go bucket. Pro vac or anti-vac. And what we should be doing is looking at the need and application of each of them. The need for a polio vac is a very different dynamic than giving every new born a vac for Heb B...etc.
_laz_ ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 21:22:31 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. Not OP, but we are sure about that. There are plenty of studies, but I'm sure you don't care. You also probably believe climate change is a lie and the government is turning our frogs gay, dontcha?
NEVERDOUBTED ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:55:44 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think you would be shocked to know how much scientific data there is that clearly shows the dangers of vaccines. I've done this research. I know.
Listen - it's not black and white. Pro or anti. There is a time and place for certain vacs, but the current CDC schedule is way out of hand.
Someone should also tell you that there is no scientific evidence that CO2 in the atmosphere actually raises temps on the surface and elsewhere. It doesn't mean that I'm not saying it is or is not. I'm just saying there is no clear evidence that proves it. Just because there is more CO2 in the atmosphere and temps are up does not mean a direct cause and effect.
So...please...I challenge you, search the science. Proof me wrong.
Unbiased_Bob ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 23:30:15 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is an experiment kids to in high school now. Saying there is no evidence is like saying that mentos and coke doesn't have a reaction. Even Mythbusters did it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPRd5GT0v0I
Tons of schools are doing temperature experiments using CO2. You can do it at home, amazon sells small CO2 tanks for $15. Tear apart an old Pressurecooker and you have yourself a $30 experiment.
IF every high school chemistry teacher can prove it with $30 and a day of free time I think it's safe to say the people saying it isn't true probably have some other motives.
I won't get into your first point I just wanted to comment about your one point.
edit: Not sure if a meme or English isn't your first language, but you may want to edit that to "Prove" to be taken a bit more seriously. I understand your points but also remember not to misplace the burden of proof. If you think something is wrong that everyone is saying is right, don't ask everyone to find sources, how about you link a source to show your side. It gets tough when people make crazy claims and say "look it up, prove me wrong" and everyone else has to do the work, then you just find a small detail you don't like and dismiss it. It's all too common in these online discussions. So throw in your own proof whenever you make a claim, saves time for everyone.
NEVERDOUBTED ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:42:03 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So a small bottle or cube pumped full with CO2 is the same as the earth and its atmosphere?
Please tell me that you're not hinging everything related to global warming and climate change on this?
EDIT: sorry for the earlier spelling error.
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Unbiased_Bob ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:26:34 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I only commented on his point. He said that CO2 actually raises temperature is something we have no evidence of. I showed that we have overwhelming evidence of that fact.
If you want to discuss the intricacies of all the different possible variables of climate change, that is for a different discussion, I was simply talking about one point he made and how we already have an answer to that one point.
_laz_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:19:59 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just as I thought, thanks. And no, I decline your challenge, definitely not worth the effort.
"The earth is flat. Prove to me I'm wrong."
"The gays are going to hell, the Bible says so! Prove to me I'm wrong."
"Chemtrails are turning the frogs gay. Prove to me I'm wrong."
NEVERDOUBTED ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:45:10 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have a photo of the earth. Shows it being round.
This is religion. Don't confuse religion with science.
Can't say one way or another. Never researched it.
But I have researched climate change and global warming, in an effort to make up my own mind, and there is no definitive evidence that CO2 in the atmosphere is causing climate change or warming. If there was, it would be super easy to spot and prove.
_laz_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:38:26 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Photos of the earth are doctored by NASA, that isn't proof of anything. The earth is flat - prove me wrong.
Do you not see the point?
And also - 99% of climate scientists, the actual experts in the field, disagree with you.
NEVERDOUBTED ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:51:02 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only some of them. Besides, I've been up high enough to see the curvature for myself. Not to mention that the only stuff flat in the universe are things like galaxies.
That's not true, by the way.
And there are actually some very very smart people that disagree that CO2 is driving temperature changes or that we can accurately state this. Including the guys at CERN.
You have let a mostly green non-scientific media make up your mind for you. Be fair to yourself and others and go back out with an open mind.
careoke ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:03:30 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, because that's not the way science works. Can you name any similar medical intervention that has scientific data for ALL risks of use and non-use for ALL forms in ALL situations and conditions?
Here's the answer: you don't. Because it doesn't exist.
But that doesn't mean, for example, that doctors shouldn't wash their hands before performing surgery just because the hygiene hypothesis asserts, with some good evidence, that a "too sterile" society increases risk of allergies.
Look, no offense, but I'm not going to waste my time arguing with an anti-vaxxer. I've worked and spent a lot of time in countries with low vaccination rates, and the suffering lack of vaccinations has caused is real. And has touched my own family in a serious, horrifying way.
NEVERDOUBTED ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 22:31:38 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, in countries where vaccinations are the difference between life and death. Do it or die.
Now...back in first world nations, please show me the justification to mass vaccinate everyone over something that has very little risk.
Great drama, now let's also talk about the families that were also seriously injured from vaccines.
Listen, I'm not anti-vac. They have their time and place, but the current CDC schedule, especially those involving kids, has gotten way out of hand. It's fear mongering. And the body is very very complex. It's not a precise a science that everyone thinks it is.
maybesaydie ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:58:03 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And you, of course, are a physician and are qualified to say this right?
NEVERDOUBTED ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:51:22 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am qualified in the sense that I have read just about every book and paper on this subject. More than nearly all physicians that I have spoken with.
It's called, using education to make up my own mind instead of this band wagon, black or white position that people have with vaccines.
And this is why I say I'm not pro or anti. They have a time and place. But mass vaccinations are going to f*ck us up. We put too much emphasis on saving everyone under all possible scenarios, fueled by profits, and it's going to burn us. Not much different than the over use of antibiotics, which, two decades ago, everyone said was perfectly safe. Same thing with NSAIDs and opiate based medicines.
careoke ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:54:23 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, but you don't have any evidence of what you're talking about. Got any links to back up anything? Legitimate ones.
And the only reason vaccines are a matter or life in some countries is herd immunity. The country where my family is NOT a third world country and was not one when my sister was born in the 1970s. It just didn't have mandated vaccine schedule at that time.
Legitimate stories of people getting hurt by vaccines are very rare. Death and disability caused by diseases that vaccines now protect us from are, historically, the rule not the exception.
Not an anti-vaxxer? Well you certainly sound like one...
NEVERDOUBTED ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:53:03 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. Hundreds of them. And ya know what, you have full access to them as well. Start with PubMed.
Caleb_has_arrived ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:42:57 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm having trouble locating studies on effects of combined vaccinations and risks associated with that myself, but overall it seems we have a lot more data to sift through before we get a solid answer on that, I understand the amount of variables in that is absurd but the way people treat concerned parents is absurd as well but I know most concerned parents are NOTHING like the mom in the original post. Most of us just want some straight forward answers but man is it hard to find.
careoke ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:14:29 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not being a jerk, but what do you think makes you qualify to conduct this kind of meta-analysis of existing research? Have you sat down with an expert, a trained scientist in this field, and asked them to explain to you what the actual gaps in the research are?
I personally have done a small amount of looking at the existing, legitimate research on the present vaccine protocol and I haven't seen anything like the gaps you described and are concerned about.
BamboozledDoggie ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 18:21:18 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Vaccines are generally good to take for everyone, except people whose immune system can't handle those, for these people it's important that others are vaccinated so the disease can't spread to them.
(My take, concerns are legitimate though, ask medical doctors when in doubt)
thatbakedpotato ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:03:50 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's a 1 in a million chance that your sister in law would have something bad happen to her because of vaccines. Overall, it is WAY better to get vaccines then not to.
_laz_ ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 20:27:50 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It really is cut and dry. You should educate yourself.
Caleb_has_arrived ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:40:19 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Could you offer some sources I could use to make me and my wife feel more comfortable about them? It's hard when it hits so close to home ya know.
_laz_ ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:52:44 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can appreciate that and I'm at work on mobile so perhaps I will later tonight.
Here's the thing that I always drill down to tho... the anti-Vaxer won't vaccinate their kids due to the risk (usually of autism), and since the vast majority of people in the modern world are vaccinated, the current risk of obtaining the diseases these vaccinations prevent is relatively small.
What happens, then, if the world takes on their viewpoint and everyone in the world stops vaccinating? What happens to your kid at that point when these diseases start coming back in mass?
There are many scientific based studies on why vaccinations are a good thing, but the saying of "you can't reason someone out of something they didn't reason themselves into" is very true with the anti van crowd.
Caleb_has_arrived ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:14:31 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok I would appreciate that. And to be honest I feel like I was reasoned into the position I am now, I've seen enough evidence to know they don't cause autism but I'm still concerned about adverse effects and how common they actually are everyone says 1 in million but the more I dig in the smaller that number gets and again I'm fully aware of herd immunity but to keep it simple you really don't give a shit about everyone else when it comes to your own children and I don't see enough people acknowledging this bias.
_laz_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:33:38 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The other poster below this provided a couple of good links and I'll try to post others.
I do understand only caring about your own children. But the chances your child gets a horrific disease that could have been prevented goes up with every other unvaccinated child. Every little bit of momentum this "movement" obtains is problematic.
There are risks with literally every medical procedure. The overwhelming effectiveness of vaccines is what allows these parents to be comfortable enough to not vaccinate.
MisterMoonlite ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:06:14 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey man know it's close to home! A lot of people are skeptical about the government, but the Centers for Disease Control is really a great organization with consistent, reliable data and helpful information. Check out their vaccine safety here (https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/index.html)
If you're more of a numbers guy here is a great resource from Oxford university with a lot of data on the good of vaccines!
https://ourworldindata.org/vaccination/
Agrees_With_Dipshits ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:09:27 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed.
ImBrandy ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:35:53 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why are you guys down voting Caleb? He's not spewing lies about vaccines he's saying he knows someone who had a negative outcome and understands their concerns.
CobaltFrost ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 00:11:13 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because the anecdotal evidence of one man should not outweigh the years of research that refute the position people take upon seeing that info.
Mikeytruant850 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 23:04:40 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you don't blindy praise vaccines on reddit, or if you voice any concerns about their safety or efficacy, you get downvoted. I'm surprised you aren't heavily downvoted for even pointing this out. It's such a strange and reliable reaction that it made me really look into the facts and statistics instead of going along with the hivemind on this one.
NEVERDOUBTED ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:08:10 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Take your real life story and get the hell out of here.
hemeroidcream ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 21:26:18 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean it's their choice if they want to vax or not. If they get a disease then Darwinism right?
Azerov ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 23:09:34 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The main issue is by not vaccinating your kid, you also put other kids at risk.
automaticaddict ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:48:48 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know everything how vaccinations work but if the other kids are vaccinated what would it matter?
Azerov ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:54:26 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As it was stated before, some kids can't her vaccinated; too young, immune issues, etc. by having a school age kid not being vaccinated, all those germs and such from other kids will be brought into contact with kids who don't go to school and can cause serious issues, up to and including death. Here's a post regarding this exact situation
https://www.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/comments/5na3ry/please_please_please_god_vaccinate_your_kids/?st=J715ZWRX&sh=a37c917e
automaticaddict ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 00:59:07 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes but why is it everyone else's issue because they have that? If they have special needs they would need a special needs school or stay home.
verpin_zal ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:20:54 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Children can't consent to being vaccinated or not. Let us quit "choice" horseshit when children are involved and let the common sense take the wheel. See? Simple as that.
automaticaddict ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 00:57:39 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I see where you're coming from but it's not that simple. It's about choice and you can't force someone to choose what you believe to be right
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:14:41 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We can and we do, through what are known as "laws."
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ItsStellar ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:41:35 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
sweet summer child
[deleted] ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 17:34:55 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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BamboozledDoggie ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 18:28:31 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kids are good liars, but not good at making arguments or at rational thinking. Ask my past self and my past selfs classmates.
IDontReadReplies3 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:44:51 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Somehow people still underestimate the how idiotic parents can be and the fact there are actual parents out there who lecture their kids on conspiracy theories that have no basis in fact such as the holocaust never happened and vaccines cause autism.
ayydance ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:01:46 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right. He is just parroting what his crazy ads Mom probably talks about non stop
trollbocop ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 21:52:19 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So if you don't get vaccinated you automatically die? How did I make it to my 30's with a clean bill of health?
I've never had the flu, should I get a flu shot this year?
Is that kid telling the other kid that doctors lie an 11yo ghost
kkslice ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 00:16:59 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are an idiot
your_own_grandma ยท -25 points ยท Posted at 14:45:24 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
r/thathappened
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your_own_grandma ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:49:22 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't click the title
Jackvishs ยท -15 points ยท Posted at 16:53:37 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
r/thathappened
Buy_Us_Fuck_You ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 20:13:53 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, it's possdible a 11 year old said this, it fits better here than thathappened, it's amazing what your kids regurgitate back at you around that age.
SaintSlumlord ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 00:35:06 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unless you 100% know every compound in the vaccine you're taking, and how exactly it reacts with your body, then don't talk down on people for refusing to blindly sign up. Just shut the fuck up and go get vaccinated. You don't have a right to tell other people to get vaccinated, because corporate news told you to. Typical pussyface liberals
What_The_Shoe ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:59:58 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Look up herd immunity. Refusing to get your kid vaccinated could lead to them spreading a disease to a kid who is medically unable to get vaccinated. It's not blindly signing up, it's proven science. You're only one rung above the average antivaxxer yourself.
SaintSlumlord ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 05:43:38 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know you've never had the time to read a book or look up any history, but if you had you'd know that people die of diseases when their immune system isn't strong enough to fend for itself. Welcome to the real word fantasy land fuck. You're only one rung above the hamburger I ate for lunch
STYX010 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:48:59 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, it is commonly known that children and old people are those with "immune systems that aren't strong enough". Myself had a lung operation (4 times collapted lungs on the left side) and if i hadn't been vaccinated, i would probably be really sick or maybe dead, because i had a immune system which wasn't great after surgery and the guy next to me had diphtheria, which caused a quarantine on the ward. I'm 31 years old now and glad i was vaccinated.
SaintSlumlord ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:06:05 on September 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm glad you got vaccinated too. I'm saying people have a right to chose not to get vaccinated since we live in America and not nazi Germany. Not to mention natural selection could use all the help it can get. Here's a way to stop worrying about people getting vaccinated, get yourself and your kids vaccinated. Sit down and shut the fuck up. Then let all the idiots die, sounds pretty simple.
Gazorpazorp520 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:43:10 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck off you are so fucking stupid show me proof
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Tessaract2 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:57:12 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
r/NotKenM
Mmmelissamarie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:59:21 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lmao!!!!!
Unusualmann ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 14:28:02 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not the fictional act itself they're talking about , it's the fact that this was posted on social media to begin with since this obviously indicates they're a anti-vaxxer that lies to everyone around them, plus they're bringing their child into this shit. This can't be good for the actual kid.
๐๏ธ bdross97 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 14:24:50 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lmao
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pawelf1 ยท -23 points ยท Posted at 16:26:54 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dont upvote this post, idiot would think its true
InvaderChin ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:11:51 on August 31, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How dare you?! Everything from /r/thathappened is $100% true!