I'm a smarter-than-average 17-year-old with a sharp tongue, a quick wit, and a lack of understanding of when the line has been crossed and when to stop.
Oh God, he's writing a sitcom character bio of himself.
sbr999 ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 13:25:28 on May 25, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am willing to bet 100 dollars that he wrote it about himself from his mother's POV.
Tutush ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:52:54 on May 25, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think that scenario is hard to believe at all. And it definitely doesn't read like something a 12-year-old would write, even one that is "very smart".
well beheaved, and at the same time stubborn, impatient, short tempered and a nerd that keeps bugging his family with genius questions at the age of 12
It pretty accurately describes the average "high academic thinking, low social skills" child. I'd guess mild autistic spectrum traits from this brief description.
I'm not sure what's so unbelievable about the post, or why someone would troll r/parenting.
These types of people exist, but yes I would also generally chalk it up to some forms of autism. It has mild effects too, and it's a shame that some people here would think that it's impossible for smart kids with no social skills to develop tempers because of it. If anything, that was me to the letter, but I have other issues that fed my temper as well... and I'd rather not go into them. Having assholes literally taunt me with stuff like "what are you gonna do, shoot up the school?" did not help my childhood. Let's just be thankful that the parents aren't dealing with that yet.
Sorry, maybe I'm reading the post wrong but I thought that OP in the r/parenting post was saying that their husband was losing his temper with their child, not that the child was losing his temper.
That might be true, in which case the kid could be being condescending to his father or something else entirely. It's a kind of confusing read and I shouldn't have even read it in the first place, since now it's just bringing up bad memories.
My guess is some kid who got amd at his parents, and then wrote the post pretending to be his parents as some form of coping, something i coudl totally see myself at 12 and many others do.
Is there anything bad about his advice though? Yeah his introduction is a bit narcissistic or whatever you would call it but I don't really think badly of the rest of the comment
I think so. "Because I said so" isn't a logical fallacy for one (based on force as he says). Second, a person may be smarter or have a correct interpretation but it's not OK to be an ass about it. Part of being a parent is teaching your kid how to interact appropriately with others. Looking down on someone because they are not as smart as you reflects poor social functioning. So just praising the kid for being arrogant and disrespectful does him a disservice in the long run.
"praise his intelligence but offer social criticism" I think that's solid advice. Acknowledge he's right on a technical level but let him know that he's being an annoying douche about it (or however you'd tell that to a 12 year old). The opening is definitely cringe-worthy but the advice is fine.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:37:01 on May 25, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Because I said so" isn't a logical fallacy for one (based on force as he says)
You're correct, but he was close. "Because I said so" is a logical fallacy, but it is an appeal to authority, not an appeal to force.
An appeal to force would be a threat, like "Admit I'm right or you're grounded" which may have been what he was referring to. But simply "I'm right because I'm the Dad and I said so" is an appeal to authority.
But also, and much more importantly, logical fallacies don't matter in conversations with your parents. When a parent says to do something because they are your parent, it isn't that important that it is a logical fallacy.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:28:05 on May 26, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
you're probably right, we are missing the context of what they were arguing about.
like, arguing about how planes fly? or arguing about whether he needs to clean his room? big difference
We'd have to know what they are arguing about. If the kid was told to go to bed and responded with "But a recent study in Sweden suggested that 12 year old's should go to bed at. . . " the proper response is "GO TO BED BECAUSE I SAID SO!"
Yeah this. The "reddit intellectual" just cherry-picks some shoddy study as The Truth and uses it for his advantage. Who cares about the whole problem domain, criticisms of those studies, if the problem domain has been exhausted, the journal quality, if anyone has replicated this stuff, if any of this applies to the situation at hand, etc. Instead its "HERES A LINK TO PUBMED! FUCK YOU!"
This kid isn't going to go far. We weed out smart-ass fuckers like these during interviews. He'll be another know-it-all bartender or landscape guy who's "too smart for an office job."
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:15:12 on May 25, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
WOW.
LOL, I remember when I thought I was smarter than dad cause I reads the Internet.
There is no fucking way an actual parent made that original post, probably some kid mad at his parents and coping by writing some fantasy post from his parents perspective.
Isredel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:56:36 on May 26, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
So, a couple of things
First, just because you're smarter than someone, doesn't mean you are right by default. The son may be smart, but the father has experience. The latter tends to be more valuable.
Second, losing respect for his father? And he's twelve years old? Sounds like her son is twelve going on thirteen. He's "losing respect" for his father because he's becoming a teenager, thinks he knows everything, and doesn't understand that just because you CAN do something (argue with your father), doesn't mean you SHOULD. So no guys, he's not on the autism spectrum. He's just becoming a stereotypical teenage jackass. And the person who replied to the woman may just not have grown out of that jackass phase.
xagent_cam ยท 51 points ยท Posted at 07:56:08 on May 25, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Judging by the lack of any social awareness, I think that's a given
wittynameunavailible ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 15:07:55 on May 25, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh God, he's writing a sitcom character bio of himself.
sbr999 ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 13:25:28 on May 25, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am willing to bet 100 dollars that he wrote it about himself from his mother's POV.
Tutush ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:52:54 on May 25, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think that scenario is hard to believe at all. And it definitely doesn't read like something a 12-year-old would write, even one that is "very smart".
dIoIIoIb ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 10:10:30 on May 25, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
well beheaved, and at the same time stubborn, impatient, short tempered and a nerd that keeps bugging his family with genius questions at the age of 12
i totally believe this story is tots real
Nawara_Ven ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 13:03:56 on May 25, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It pretty accurately describes the average "high academic thinking, low social skills" child. I'd guess mild autistic spectrum traits from this brief description.
I'm not sure what's so unbelievable about the post, or why someone would troll r/parenting.
Shin_Rekkoha ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:41:28 on May 25, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
These types of people exist, but yes I would also generally chalk it up to some forms of autism. It has mild effects too, and it's a shame that some people here would think that it's impossible for smart kids with no social skills to develop tempers because of it. If anything, that was me to the letter, but I have other issues that fed my temper as well... and I'd rather not go into them. Having assholes literally taunt me with stuff like "what are you gonna do, shoot up the school?" did not help my childhood. Let's just be thankful that the parents aren't dealing with that yet.
Solracziad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:45:48 on May 25, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Sorry, maybe I'm reading the post wrong but I thought that OP in the r/parenting post was saying that their husband was losing his temper with their child, not that the child was losing his temper.
Shin_Rekkoha ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:54:54 on May 25, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That might be true, in which case the kid could be being condescending to his father or something else entirely. It's a kind of confusing read and I shouldn't have even read it in the first place, since now it's just bringing up bad memories.
Solracziad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:03:09 on May 25, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, it's pretty clear you're not over your own childhood trauma.
In all seriousness, have you considered talking to a professional about this? It might help you work through things that are still hanging you up.
elHerpes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:39:29 on May 26, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My guess is some kid who got amd at his parents, and then wrote the post pretending to be his parents as some form of coping, something i coudl totally see myself at 12 and many others do.
Walking_the_dead ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:31:54 on May 25, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Obvs
mothzilla ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:18:39 on May 25, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Praise The Son!
wittynameunavailible ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:41:35 on May 25, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Grossly incandescent, indeed.
FartingLikeFlowers ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:20:06 on May 25, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is there anything bad about his advice though? Yeah his introduction is a bit narcissistic or whatever you would call it but I don't really think badly of the rest of the comment
DrDalekFortyTwo ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:37:46 on May 25, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think so. "Because I said so" isn't a logical fallacy for one (based on force as he says). Second, a person may be smarter or have a correct interpretation but it's not OK to be an ass about it. Part of being a parent is teaching your kid how to interact appropriately with others. Looking down on someone because they are not as smart as you reflects poor social functioning. So just praising the kid for being arrogant and disrespectful does him a disservice in the long run.
doverawlings ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:15:45 on May 25, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"praise his intelligence but offer social criticism" I think that's solid advice. Acknowledge he's right on a technical level but let him know that he's being an annoying douche about it (or however you'd tell that to a 12 year old). The opening is definitely cringe-worthy but the advice is fine.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:37:01 on May 25, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're correct, but he was close. "Because I said so" is a logical fallacy, but it is an appeal to authority, not an appeal to force.
An appeal to force would be a threat, like "Admit I'm right or you're grounded" which may have been what he was referring to. But simply "I'm right because I'm the Dad and I said so" is an appeal to authority.
CountryTimeLemonlade ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:09:56 on May 26, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But also, and much more importantly, logical fallacies don't matter in conversations with your parents. When a parent says to do something because they are your parent, it isn't that important that it is a logical fallacy.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:28:05 on May 26, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
you're probably right, we are missing the context of what they were arguing about.
like, arguing about how planes fly? or arguing about whether he needs to clean his room? big difference
Sudokonym ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:44:04 on May 25, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We'd have to know what they are arguing about. If the kid was told to go to bed and responded with "But a recent study in Sweden suggested that 12 year old's should go to bed at. . . " the proper response is "GO TO BED BECAUSE I SAID SO!"
Not everything is debate club.
Smallmammal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:07:08 on May 25, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah this. The "reddit intellectual" just cherry-picks some shoddy study as The Truth and uses it for his advantage. Who cares about the whole problem domain, criticisms of those studies, if the problem domain has been exhausted, the journal quality, if anyone has replicated this stuff, if any of this applies to the situation at hand, etc. Instead its "HERES A LINK TO PUBMED! FUCK YOU!"
This kid isn't going to go far. We weed out smart-ass fuckers like these during interviews. He'll be another know-it-all bartender or landscape guy who's "too smart for an office job."
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:15:12 on May 25, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
WOW.
LOL, I remember when I thought I was smarter than dad cause I reads the Internet.
elHerpes ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:38:13 on May 26, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There is no fucking way an actual parent made that original post, probably some kid mad at his parents and coping by writing some fantasy post from his parents perspective.
Isredel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:56:36 on May 26, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
So, a couple of things
First, just because you're smarter than someone, doesn't mean you are right by default. The son may be smart, but the father has experience. The latter tends to be more valuable.
Second, losing respect for his father? And he's twelve years old? Sounds like her son is twelve going on thirteen. He's "losing respect" for his father because he's becoming a teenager, thinks he knows everything, and doesn't understand that just because you CAN do something (argue with your father), doesn't mean you SHOULD. So no guys, he's not on the autism spectrum. He's just becoming a stereotypical teenage jackass. And the person who replied to the woman may just not have grown out of that jackass phase.
Yoursistersrosebud ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:16:43 on May 26, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Go and get me a branch from the birch tree lad. It's time.