You set me up so high with that comment and smacked me down as hard equally, played like a god damn fiddle.

Unless Hunter's weapon is "whenever you play a spell, summon a random best of the same cost"

I don‘t think so either. Even if you meet the condition, it doesn‘t come into play early enough. Should be 5 or 4 mana to be evaluated like that.

Though I can definitely see new hunter archetypes becoming a thing in the near future should blizz decide to print one or two overpowered hunter cards.

Yeah this is going to be one of the rare times where everyone is right. This card sucks.

It's remotely possible that in the next expansion or two, Hunter will get a bunch of bonkers "no minions" synergy cards, and this will get played. Cue Ben Brode laughing at this thread.

I haven't paid much attention so I would really love to see the examples of such cards!

I love you.

What are some examples of that happening?

It seems like I'm the only one that thinks this is not only playable, but good. There's a lot of cheap beast decks and this slots in better than highmane. I've played a lot of games where playing this on turn 6 and getting two 4/2 charges ends it.

I feel like every expansion there is a card that reddit tears apart and berates as completely unplayable that goes on to later be an integral part of the meta. This is not that card.

LOL

... for only twice the price!

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actually lmaod

I'd expect it to not summon two of the same.

Looks like hunter is in the "purify" stage class cycle. We should expect some pretty broken cards for hunter for 3 next expansions!

And for six mana which is the price you would normally pay

2 Leokks are not bad... when you have minions on the board (or in your deck)

Looks like it's for late game in a deck that is heavily recruited as a get out of jail card once your deck is out of minions.

It does not say random though. I'd rather pick two Huffers.

I may be thinking wrong but it says no minions...so that means as long as you run an all beast deck this card isn't as terrible as it sounds? I think of it like having 6 copies of animal companions in your deck.

The card text is not "if you run no minions..." but rather "if your deck [currently] has no minions." Once you have drawn (not necessarily played) all the minions in your deck, you get the full benefit of this card. If your point is that the full benefit of the card is probably not worth the downside, I concur.

Sorry how do you heal to full? I'm confused ahahah

1 star now and in the future!

????????

Doesn't make sense, it should 5 mana at the most so it's a discount on two Animal Companions if you fulfill the requirement.. at 6 mana its just saving you a card with a punishing requirement of not having minions.

Maybe they want Yogg/Spell Hunter or Trap Hunter without minions to be a thing..?

They just want Hunter players to feel a sense of pride and accomplishment when they win

Something something... card games need bad cards... something something.

I know Team 5 stubbornly refuses to buff/change cards... but this is one they just have to make an exception. I literally feel insulted by this card and closed out of Hearthstone for the night

For the Barnes-Yshaarj decks that win like 25% of the time i guess.

...nani?

i just cant believe how awful this is.

......why?

Obviously, it's to help people beat the lich king as hunter so they can get that shiny new hero.

UMMM

Even if it summons 2 animal companions of your choice under the same condition it will just be mildly viable in specific deck.

Literally my reaction as I opened this, and by the looks of your comment score we weren't alone.

lol I’m dying. Best reaction.

I said this out loud as I read the card... but mine was more "what the fuck is that...?"

This is obviously the purify of this expansion. I can't wait until everyone is laughing later when Hunter is tier 1 after they print more cards like secrets/spells to sustain a hunter while they run Animal Companions, Call of the Wild (Shit that's rotating soon), Deathstalker Rexxar to steamroll their opponents in the late game.

What I'm saying is, don't count this card out, Hunter is getting a cool archetype I think

'upside' ? thats +3 mana to gain the exact value it should have had to begin with.

I thought some shut like Priestess of Elune was objectively the most unplayable Hearthstone card, but now, looking at this, the bar is set too low.

When I first heard about this I didn't see the mana and figured it was probably 4. At 4 it'd be bad, but I guess maybe in some weird lock and load deck?

But 6? What the fuck?

Serious question: With that condition, would this card even see play if the upside was the entire ultimate infestation effect?

+3 mana for a conditional upside

Or just run two animal companions as usual

And it's epic...................

So what you're saying is I'll get 3 of these.

The Glacial Mysteries for hunter

Purify for Hunter

Cold take

Buuut is it the worst?
I'm thinking second from tentacle for arms. Purify sees play

Do you have a hot take on how this card might perform in Arena?

Over time this will find a home IMO. One of my Wild decks is focused on token makers like this as a means to maximize King's Elekk value. Brewing such a deck shows you that this will be possible, but it's not quite there yet. It needs a 2-drop token maker that isn't a secret, a 1-drop discover-a-minion like Rogue and Warrior have, and a payoff high-drop and it'll already be plausible, and after another year of cards it'd be a legit deck.

Stage 1: Denial.

This condition is harder than highlander, for a class that relies heavily on minion, for the most boring effect possible

If it was a fake Hunter card then wouldn't it actually be good?

You underestimate Blizzard's power.

We can only hope

Don't forget how one of the three options you can randomly get synergizes with other minions

I think the wording is a bit weird, it should say summon an animal companion, if your deck has no minions summon two instead or something

The twitter post makes it seem like a joke so we can only pray edit: i am an idiot ignore me wrong twitter account

the only explanation I could see is there's a big card they haven't revealed yet that rewards you for each companion summoned in the game (similar to the Mage legendary)

and of course it's an epic

I seriously thought this was a "hunter is so bad circlejerk fake card".

Hunter is a very beast heavy deck, not minions heavy. It just means you won't be able to run things like bonemare or scalebane. Just strictly beasts only.

So that you won’t get good epics when you open your packs.

It feels like it should read 'summon 2 animal companions, 3 if you have no minions'

This is the card embodiment of Mike Donais throwing a tantrum that he can't get out of rank 25 due to Hunter.

Blizzard logic

3 mana: one companion

6 mana: two companions if you meet deck crippling activator

9 mana: three companions

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You fail to see the Genius of Team 5
You see, this is obviously a card for all the people who haven't beaten the Lich King with Hunter yet. Good Guy Blizzard just wants everyone to have Arthas and you guys are giving them shit

inb4 they print another card to justify this.. "Giga-Huffer: 0/2 Charge, gains +3 attack for each Animal Companion you summoned this game"

This is going above and beyond Ticking Abomination levels of bad

this is one of the worst in the entire game to be honest. Magma rager level.

This may be worst card ever printed.

Worse than Dragonhatcher?

I... I think it's designed as a high roll in barnes y'shaarj hunter??? That's about all it can do. Honestly I hope Pure Spell Hunter gets some more support, it's bloody funny.

Maybe they wanted to keep the strong cards for hunter mostly in the common and rare slot. No hunter commons have been revealed yet..right blizzard?

Even if you manage to make a no-minion deck, Psychic Scream hilariously counters this.

and of course it's a hunter card

This is possibly the worst card ever printed. Like for real, name me a card that's worse than this one lol.

Why do they do this? They print beyond bottom tier cards for classes that are already bad...like when they have priest Purify.

this may well be the worst card ever printed in any card game ever. It may as well say "go fuck yourself for playing hunter."

I'm just gonna say, remember when the Blood Princes (the lego 2, 3, 4,) were announced and everyone called them dog shit and now they're meta.

I mean, THIS card is dog shit, I just wanted to bring that up because the Blood Council was one of my favorite fights in ICC.

The hunter cards feels very disjointed.

Hmm. I think Rin and Runespear could compete for #1.

What do you mean? This card is a straight buff to Yogg!

In wild Yogg-n-Load after drawing your Yogg, obviously! ^/s

It’s way OP, friend. It’s just a good thing they gave Priest Psychic Scream to counter this.

Honestly? Blizz probably looked at idiots like me who occasionally make no minion hunter decks and said "lets make a card for that... special individual".

They could easily print more cards to make this viable. Some overpowered cards with the "if your deck has no minions" tag would make this great as you need spells to fill out your deck

I'm guessing the legendary weapon might be crazy like "recruit every minion in your deck." This could work with recruit as it thins out your deck and maybe Hunter gets some insane weapons/spells that summon minions. But yeah, you kinda need minions to win in HS.

Its not bad in that Summoners Tavern Brawl, which summons a minion of the same cost as any spell you cast. It’s so bad everywhere else that I can only assume they printed it just for that brawl.

OP, any reason why the name of the linked image is named memescard.png? :thinking:

Secret tech against Fatigue Warrior

They don't f print anything. They can literally change the card anytime they want. Don't pretend that once they showed this piece of garbage card they can't alter it.

This card is viable on the fight against The Lich King.

... That's it.

It's to complete the Lich King adventure.

Secret hunter...?

Nah man, if you play big hunter, you dont want to have your abominababbale snowmen rez a 2/2 token off of highmane. so if you dont run highmane, you need another 6 drop.

i think what a lot of people are missing about this card, and what ultimately gives it incredible value, isnt the relatively easy condition to satisfy to get two animal companions. The value in this card lies in it curving perfectly into the concede button. Just drop bad boy here on the board, summon a huffer, or even a leokk. then bottom right straight back to the next worthy opponent.

its 5d chess, you gotta understand

Even if you build a whole deck around this card to satisfy its absurd condition, it's at best an average card that's boring as fuck to play.

This is the biggest issue I have with it. I'm all for silly "build-around-me" Johnny cards that will never see competitive play, but for those kinds of cards to work they need to actually do something cool when you manage to pull it off. With this, your grand prize for building a hunter deck with no minions is... a card that's exactly half way in between Animal Companion and Call of the Wild?

This would barely be overpowered without the completely extreme deckbuilding restriction, and the reward is too small even if you do manage the condition.

I am disappointed that a fellow human being, someone the same species as you and me, thought that this card was worth printing. What the actual fuck.

I think it would be interesting at 4 mana. Or having it cost 1 if you have no minions (sure one mana huffer but that’s the only minion hunter would have other than like 3 more huffers) Not so bad but amazing if you trigger it. Don’t get me wrong the drawback would probably still be too big, but at least there would be some real reward to it

It's like insultingly bad.

It's an Epic you don't have to ever craft. Just think about it like that.

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I could see an effect like this being cool if it wasn't so horrible, lower cost or add a body

Nah this goes in yogg and load maybe and that deck is crazy fun.

I could see a meme deck running 2 Animal Companions, 2 To My Side!s, and 2 Call of the Wilds. That said, there's a damn good reason it'd be a meme deck, because it'd sit right next to freeze Shaman decks.

It should be 4 mana and even then... What for?

But, but ... what about the ragers? D:

Calling it now, hunter will get the support cards for new archetypes in 2018 and suddenly this card fits in.

dead serious - i think team 5 spends the least amount of time on hunters design philosophy, and by that i mean, they just literally think about it on the toilet while they are on a shit break. then they get back to real work on the real classes

And the worst part - when you concede as hunter, you're forced to say "Well Played."

I absolutely hate hunters and I'm starting to feel bad for them. Is this karma for huntertaker?

I actually feel like most of the Hunter cards have been interesting, even if we’ve still had to wonder how it’s supposed to support all of the expensive cards being printed. This card though... I just can’t see it, in any world. This is the first card revealed that just looks dead on arrival for me.

What about Alleria?

Well, at least we can be sure that hunter is the next shaman/priest. This is comparable to Purify, except a lot worse. But like they printed shit for priest when they were in a bad place, they are doing the same for hunter now and this phase is followed by the overbuff-phase.

cant wait for hunter to be Shaman tier op the next expansion.

Just revert CotW so Hunter doesn't get 0.1% playrate with negative WR thanks

Hunter has been straight busted too man times for me to feel even slightly bad for rexxar. I was there for undertaker coin leper gnome and buzzard unleash.

And then we'll all complain about the unplayability of Hunter, and Blizzard will give them the same treatment they gave Shamans and Priests.

I mean, this may just be the worst card of the expansion.

This card would barely be playable if it was no minions in your hand or your hand is empty. This is just... what?

Making you excited for Artifact and the new Magic game.

Tickling their nipples saying “ooooh you need good hunter cards. Sorry we can’t do that. Why don’t you find another card game? Oh there’s nothing as good? Oh that’s too bad.”

here's the VOD to the reveal in case anyone might think it's a hoax: https://www.zhanqi.tv/v2/videos/363848.html

Skip to 55:22

1 companion = 3 mana

2 companion = 6 mana + have literally no minions in your deck as a hunter

3 companion = 9 mana

Seems legit to me

This is what it should have been, we found our [[Purify]] of the expansion, and even purify had some uses

Edit: where is leokk?

It was probably this at some point and then the "balance" team made a spell hunter deck that was too OP for the shieldbearers in testing.

Dude this is hunter. No way they would give him good cards.

Or the card could cost 4

How many animal companions would this have to summon in order for it to be playable? 5? 6? A hunter deck without minions basically can't win, so this card needs to be able to literally win the game by itself in order to be played.

Yeah and this just makes me think the hunter spellstone would have been cooler if it made companions instead of wolves.

2 for 6 mana would be insanely strong. But 1 for 6 is easily the worst card of the expansion so far.

It should be a CotW for this ridiculous caveat.

And it should cost 4 or less.

Absolutely trash epic card. Garbage.

That design would make sense.

Besides the fact that'd be completely busted?

I mean I get they are trying to push "Big Beast Hunter" with these minion generating spells and the Recruit Legendary but it's going to take a few more expansions to flesh it out which stings when Hunter has already been in the toilet for so long.

I think the idea is to make it so you basically can't put it in a deck that isn't built around a minion-less deck, but still gives it some use if you pull it in a random effect. It'd be much better at 5 mana, in my opinion, albeit still not good.

I think it may create some interesting decks in wild, but that's about it.

Jesus christ your version is way more broken then original cotw ever was. Clear hunter's board? Nope, summon an even bigger one and take 5 to the face.

Same I had no idea this was real until I read the comments. What the fuck is this garbage. I hope to God it's just a joke and blizzard is just grabbing our goblins right now.

how can someone make a card this bad lol

Hopefully whatever they planned for the epic slot got pushed down to a lower rarity to make it more accessible.

Dude, you just put into words what I just felt when seeing the card.....I love hunter, but it’s just not fun for me anymore and cards like this don’t help. I think this reveal reinforced my decision to not spend money on the game anymore....[audible sigh]

inb4 hunter legendary weapon turns all minions in your deck into copies of Animal Companion

I've been insulted by the hunter cards in every set for a while now

This IS fucking insulting to hunter. I'm so angry right now, Team 5 can go fuck themselves

almost

They're planning to delete Hunter once Gadgetzan rotates. Too many new players complaining about SMorc.

almost insulting

The Dream: Call of the Mild (3 Mana) - Summon a Stonetusk Boar, a Timber Wolf, and a 0/1 Frog with Taunt.

This is a perfect card for Control Hunter. It fits perfectly in with [[Toxic Arrow]].

The meme is real LUL.

reaaaally Mild..

Call of the concede button.

Call of the Riled.

I’ve already opened 5 AMA

If I open this in my first round of packs I will uninstall

even when the absurd condition is met it's just all right mediocre card that might summon two leoks which then seem pretty bad because you dont have any minions

Hold up, we still need to see Hunter's Legendary Weapon

10 mana 3/3 weapon

Battlecry: Cast Toxic Arrow on each friendly minion.

lots of excellent candle-dates

FTFY.

And i thought crushing walls was bad...

Rin and Runespear might have a word with you.

Reduce all numbers by one, except the Mana cost. So disappointing

Nani?

See, this card is obviously printed so that you can play animal companion on curve on turn 6, and if you happen to run a minionless deck you get a bonus! It's amazing value!

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I’m assuming for the new hunter legendary, only roll a few big minions for the recruits.

Happy cake day lol, enjoy your garbage Hunter epic

I've been having fun trying Keleseth/Carnassa memes on ladder

Hang in there mate, we're in this together

What do you mean? There's obviously great synergy between this card and the new hunter legendary!

/s

It's already over, this expansion will be my last one, it's fucking insulting

This has to be a practical joke of some kind

No, you don't get it! This card is so overpowered, Blizzard made sure to give Priest a single card with the power to shut the entire minionless hunter archetype down! laughs in psychic scream

What're the needed epics?

And also, since there'd be that many epics anyways, is having a bad one that bad? Means there's less to craft overall generally?

Hearthstone being digital card game it is really easy to buff cards that turn out to be underperforming. ^\s

Big Hunter runs Big Minions.

What the hell deck is this going into?

Employee #1 "Hey guys, I'm thinking of creating a new archetype for Hunters. Hear me out.... minionless hunter!"

Employee #2 "Oh shit that could possibly become overpowered! We better preemptively give Priest a single spell that shuts the entire archetype down, just in case"

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I wish I could downvote too buddy.

• Call of the Wild Hunter Spell Epic OG 🐘 ^{HP, HH, Wiki}
  9 Mana - Summon all three Animal Companions.
  

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I’m pretty sure that Blizz knew this card was bad when they printed it.

Employee #1 "Hey guys, I'm thinking of creating a new archetype for Hunters. Hear me out.... minionless hunter!"

Employee #2 "Oh shit that could possibly become overpowered! We better preemptively give Priest a single spell that shuts the entire archetype down, just in case"

I was hoping it would say if you don't have minions in your hand....

meh, you could treachery ticking bomb dude at least, for the memes.

At least ticking won me several games in arena

The crazy thing I'm imagining is if they had another reveal fiasco and this had been the only card revealed.

Animal companion is 3 and chooses a random one. This card should be 4, to be great, 5, to be fair. Since you choose the companion. As it is now it is worse than bad.

As if it needs help to be unplayable.

First time for everything

"Hunter has a 50%+ winrate from ranks 25-16 so we don't need to give it any more tools. By the way, here are some more broken Priest cards!"

-Team 5

Team 5 can go fuck themselves, I'm out

If after years and years, after countless expansions, THIS is what makes it into a viable Hunter deck in Wild, we will need a new tier system that goes down to tier 10. We will call it Rexxar Tier.

By then the spells will be good enough to eclipse this.

... CURRENT spells eclispse this, the spellstone is so much better.

It's honestly not even worth running then, I'd rather just play 2 animal companions and a Call of the Wild

GOLDEN EPIC!

Did you get it?

They ARE pushing it...................off a cliff.. into the abyss..

Can't have Hunter getting too good or it spooks all of the potentially profitable noobs away

Comparing the hunter cards with priest cards is painfull. It's like an elemantary schooler made them with clear favorites in play.

They really want their microtransactions to become an actual gamble.

This dilutes the overall pool of Epics your pack RNG pulls from ... they know exactly what they're doing lol

It's a bit more than a 0-mana discount. Two Animal Companions is quite strong.

I wish I could upvote this more

They all design the cards

It's an intentional effort to keep Hunter's winrate suppressed so Sub-20 noobs don't run away, taking their money with them

That's fucking insulting

As a priest main I saw the up side with purify, I knew it be decent with more support. But this card. I just can't, it's way over priced for an up side not even worth the cost. At 6 man I can play two AC, people say 4 Mana maybe but I'd say 3.

They wanted Deathrattles to be one of Hunter's class themes, they're just taking it a step further by actually killing it.

as a priest main, I agree with you. I thought there would be no bigger spit to tha face than Purify.

At least purify saw play due to the release of a single card.

I can see this seeing play, but it'd take a full set of REALLY good hunter spells to do so.

At least Purify was a common. This will feel like a dagger in the back getting it as your epic.

why are you giving this card such high appraise?

Honestly toxic arrow is better.

This is MUCH worse. It should've been 10 mana fill your board with random animal companions or something so atleast there is a meme deck for this because 6 mana make 2 animal companions isn't even super powerful so actually wtf.

This makes Toxic Arrow look like a Savannah Highmane on steroids. It is literally unplayable. Not like pre-KotFH Prince hype unplayable, like its not even possible in theory to build a Hunter deck using this card, and if you could build a no minion Hunter (you can't) this card still wouldn't be good.

Bonus: You get fucking wrecked by Psychic Scream if you play this. 2 Animal Companions? Nope, how about 1 because your opponent put all those shitty secret beasts back in your deck. Try harder next time to not queue into Priest.

• Toxic Arrow Hunter Spell Epic KFT 🐘 ^{HP, HH, Wiki}
  2 Mana - Deal 2 damage to a minion. If it survives, give it Poisonous.
  

^{Call/PM me with up to 7 [[cardname]]. About.}

[[Cobra Shot]] 3.0

You can’t even compare this to toxic arrow. I’ve played with toxic arrow. I put it in my meme deathrattle hunter deck, and it’s actually won me a few games. This card is on a level so bad that I’d choose purify over this for my hunter deck.

Nah, at least toxic arrow is playable in certain situations. I can't even imagine how this card will EVER be playable in ANY situation.

EDIT: Well, maybe it could be good if you've fatigued yourself, and that would only ever happen in Control Hunter. The card is still a piece of trash.

Toxic Arrow is a fair card. This is more like Purify, if Purify was actually given to Warrior at the same mana cost with the text "deal 1 damage to a friendly minion, draw a card".

Nevermind, it's even worse than that. At this point, might as well just print overcosted vanilla minions for Hunter like a 5 mana 4/5.

Even 5 mana would be pretty crap, a decent amount of the time, you'd be paying nearly double for a single Leokk

But even then you run a few crucial minions...

They should have given this to toast

Better than having all the strongest cards be epic.

Well, it doesn't really matter how far in advance they planned this, its shit no matter what the meta is like. It could have been made when huntertaker was OP and I still would not understand the thought process behind this card.

I've logged over 2,000 wins as Rexxar so far, and I'm still refusing to give up dreams of Egg and Quest Hunter

Hang in there ;D

No point in To My Side when you could run Savannah Highmane instead. Not conditional, and still better

I would swap Toxic Arrow for Dinomancy so you can buff all the minions you aren't allowed to play to make the deck work.

Lol, might be good? Where's your win condition, where's your board control, the f*** you gonna do against a mage or priest whose happy to sit and search for their win conditions while you play secrets.

Secret hunter without Cloaked Huntress 🤔

At 4 this isn’t worth the downside

It doesn't say a random Companion, so I think it does let you choose

I think you can choose, [[Animal Companion]] says random.

So we can be disappointed when we get an Epic from a pack.

Also, to make sure Rexxar doesn't scare all the potentially profitable noobs away

Purify you can see what they were getting at with silence priest..(all be it shit tier but it had a role in that silence archtype at least)

This? This shit right here? No role in ANYTHING except building a deck that's trying to lose

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CotW is a decent card at the moment. Not a great card, but somewhat usable. Sort of the '32/33rd' kind of card for a deck.

This makes toxic arrow look good.

Wasnt crushing walls the terrible epic?

Emerald needs you to save at worst 4 secrets for each copy. Meanwhile, mage only needs you to play elementals, and priest to use spells, requirements that their most played decks already fulfill.

Its probably the hardest spellstone to complete and gives you a shitty reward.

That has minions in it.

That is what it looks like, but it is still bad.

Change that to a battlecry

Tier S, like druid and UI