Stonehill defender and free from amber in priest is looking to become completely insane in KFT.

the first part of this made me want to die, and then the second half also made me want to die

And you play that Army of the Dead from LK, then your fireballs, frostbolts and fireland portals vaporize.

countered by polymorph and eater of secrets :/

TO BATTLE

Shoulda held onto your butt!

GOTCHA

this just made me laugh uncontrollably lolol

Dwarf Wilkes Booth

implying he was acting alone

get woke

So instead she calls down a fat meteor down on his face, possibly also killing the Arfus loyally at his side

If polymorph + fire blast was an option, why did I have to bring those 24 idiots with me years ago ?

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Even better is a Panda sending The Lich King home because he got too drunk at the tavern.

Ironic. He could save others with his taunt, but not himself.

The black knight always triumphs!!

Poor guy didn't have a chance. But when you think about it, Thats exactly how Archimonde died. He just get attacked by lots of wisp tokens:P

This comic always triggers me because squirrel tokens don't have flying Feelsbadman

I have that second panel for my playmat. Weird seeing it on the HS sub

Seeing all the Eldrazi cards makes me wish I started playing MTG in that set.

Short people are craven and sneaky, fantasy literature has supported this for centuries.

If you put your soul in a ring, it's your own fault if somebody drops it in lava. Hell, there is literally only one way you could die permanently, and you couldn't leave behind one guy to keep people from throwing your soul into the lava in case they used the back entrance.

Doesn't make it less funny to imagine.

What fool in Azeroth thinks you can just polymorph the Lich King then?

I like to think it was some bragadocious mage claiming if he were there, he would have just polymorphed Arthas and stopped him by himself.

Only really vulnerable to human racial/pally bubble

Not that broken, I'd imagine. This outcome is better.

I'd rather get clearly overpowered cards than perhaps viable cards that you generally need to build your deck around.

Why would you want to play so many death knight cards? They're expensive and they cancel each other out.

It'd actually be far far worse lol

Honestly it would be a high chance of getting something you didn't want...

It'd be ridiculously unplayable.

Like this is already 8 mana for a benefit for the following turn which is slow enough, you want an 8 means card to give you another 6-10 mana card some that might be completely useless (ie warlocks)

Not... At all?

• The Black Knight Neutral Minion Legendary Classic 🐘 ^{HP, HH, Wiki}
  6 Mana 4/5 - Battlecry: Destroy an enemy minion with Taunt.
  

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Don't we say this every expansion about The Black Knight?

I remember the last time people were hyping up black knight as a must have in the upcoming meta after WotOG. And then he was never seen nor mentioned again.

Screw it im gonna spend all my dust on this guy

im not gonna craft him if i can just discover him from 'out of my jungle'

Except the power level of this card is obvious. We know Ysera is strong, and the Lich King is a similar card.

This card is like shredder or boom it's so in your face OP.

An ironbark protector with an extra effect which is pretty insane. Stone hill defender.

Every control deck will try to squeeze this in. I think warlock-warrior-Druid will fit the best. Paladin has Tirion and the deathknight and Tarim. I doubt it'll fit.

Warlock could use the taunt. Warrior will just play this instead of ysera from now on, way more threatening than ysera. Death knight cards are more powerful. Also makes curator draw primordial drake every time which is huge. Druid just a better ironbark definitely worth having big taunts that also grinds them out.

Just wow honestly.

Another thing is it's 8 mana which is a pretty huge diff from ysera at 9 mana.

You at least get a card before it dies.

some cards are just awesome even if they arent strong. id craft him if he was a 5/5.

No you get an Arthas skin.

No, just a random Death Knight Hero card

And in the other 49 of the 50 games... you get run over by agro.

Literally remove!

also frostmourne - 7 mana 5/3 weapon deathrattle: summon all minions killed by this weapon

death coil - 2 mana spell deal 5 to an enemy or restore 5 heal to a friendly

Removes the card. Going to be super annoying.

The card does what it says it does

Ben Brode confirmed on the stream that it removes the card from your opponent's deck.

Yeah. It shows the card you lost, but it goes and removes it from your deck.

Yeah it's just a straight up jack. No copy.

It steals it.

Steal means steal...If it was copy it would say so.

LITERALLy remove.

Literally remove.

Literally steal, from their deck to yours

Steal as in steal, a random entomb from their deck to your hand basically.

Well really it should have a red Artifact gem and be an Artifact card.

'Destroy a minion, your hero takes damage equal to its health' - Very risky to remove big minions, not that efficient for removing small minions.

It's 2-mana hard removal, it's quite nice. Sure, there will be times when you can't use it to remove a big minion, but if that big minion was going to hit you in the face anyway, it's usually well worth it.

'Destroy all minions, remove the top card of your deck for each minion destroyed' - Only good once you fatigue, use it for lethal through taunt (weapon/charge) or are in a hopeless position.

Disagree, I think this card is one of the more insane ones. A 5-mana full board clear? That's nuts. Burning cards isn't nearly as big a downside as many people seem to think (remember fel reaver?). This has far less steep of a downside than fel reaver and is far more powerful. Since it's only 5 mana, you can play this and develop 5 mana worth of stuff, it's bonkers and getting this card is definitely a high-roll.

There might be some matchups where it's less good, but even in a control vs. control matchup where fatigue might matter (though most control matchups still don't come down to fatigue these days, too many powerful late-game cards) you can save it to ensure you win in fatigue as you mentioned. However, most of the time, it will be better to use it when you need it, accept that you burn a few cards, and win the game with the huge tempo and value advantage you just got.

Remove the 5 cards on top of your deck and summon any minions removed' - Varian hasn't seen much play (this could change). Very good in some decks and matchups, very bad in others.

I agree that very spell-heavy decks won't like this one too much. However, you really do have to be very spel heavy for this not to be good. Varian didn't see much play because it's a 10 mana card, and basically the only warrior deck interested in a 10 mana card was control warrior, which played very few minions and relied on fatigue as its win con (and/or elise, which was awful to get off Varian). However, in many of the classes TLK could see play in, this is absolutely absurd.

Imagine this in midrange murloc pally, for instance. Or how about Dragon Priest? Sure, you might not get some of the battlecries, but those are minion-heavy decks and will on average summon a huge amount of stats for 6 mana which in itself will most likely win you the game. I think this is another instance where the "drawback" of burning spells seems far more relevant than it actually is. The % of games that come down to fatigue is incredibly small, even in control vs. control matchups, and getting an effect like this off further reduces the chance the game comes down to fatigue because it's a massive tempo swing and often your opponent will need a full board clear to come back.

Obviously they're all context dependent, but in general, army of the dead and doom pact feel like 2 of the high rolls alongside death coil and death and decay. Frostmourne is good, but it's very slow (a 7 mana 5/3 weapon by itself isn't great, the deathrattle is nice but will take some time, and if you die before it goes off it's useless). Death Grip is my pick for the one that will be most overrated by reddit (because in general people overvalue fatigue calculations, stealing isn't much different than add a copy in most games).

Only good once you fatigue, use it for lethal through taunt (weapon/charge) or are in a hopeless position.

If you don't reach fatigue, then removing the top card of your deck doesn't matter at all.

Varian hasn't seen much play (this could change). Very good in some decks and matchups, very bad in others.

Pretty sure Varian would see play if it were +2 cards and -5 mana.

Very costly to remove big minions, not that efficient for removing small minions.

I disagree, this is one of the better drops from this.

Only good once you fatigue, use it for lethal through taunt (weapon/charge) or are in a hopeless position.

It removes copies from your deck, not your opponents.

Yea unlike Ysera there are cards that you may simply not want to play. This card will most often appear in control decks which don't want to treat their remaining cards so flippantly.

It may actually kind of kill the card that there is a chance the card he gives you is a dead card.

Thanks. Yeah all in all seems like a better Ysera. Can't predict these things but I think it will be an instant craft and a staple in every control and most mid-range decks.

Good in big druid

This isn't Troggzor at all. No Dr. 7 in the same mana slot, doesn't rely on your opponent to get value, not understatted, and has Taunt which forces board interaction.

Just for anyone not watching the stream seeing this. When the opponent used it on Kibler we could see the card it stole.

The only thing cringeworthy thing here is your usage of cringe

[[Ysera]]

Do you also think Ysera has too much RNG?

The only thing cringe-worthy is that Frostmourne isn't represented.

Here ya go

P2p btw

Day one craft is the Hearthstone equivalent of pre-ordering a Ubisoft game. Something I will never fully understand.

I ended up unpacking a golden lich king anyway, haha!

That is not that hard to beat

Edit: This set

BGH and TBK are unlikely to be that relevant again, but yes, I will give you that Ysera is far better against Priest.

Against all the other classes however, I'd prefer the big D.

The fact your opponent has to go go through an 8/8 taunt is well worth it. Too often when you play Ysera, your opponent just ignores it and kills you.

4/12 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 8/8

Not to mention: dat ass. 12 health is significant.

Exactly. People are forgetting that Ysera cannot be easily removed. I can easily see most people running black knight or even BGH now since Lich King will basically be auto-include.

And having taunt just makes it easier to kill, and since it gives you a new card each turn you definitely want him to live.

Mmmm, not quite. You essentially just said it's better gainst PRIEST and two tech cards that never see play. In HAVING taunt the card is better against an entire spectrum of decks, aggro. Lich King is far superior.

No need to think about priests, they don't exist.

I think his DK cards are better than Ysras but thy gave him the Taunt as a drawback to that, since he is much easier to deal with......

Jesus, go back to English class.

Oh how I miss the adventures already.

And a KFT pack per wing completed (3 total)

And a Dragon tag

She can also get minions. But taunt is generally good on big minions that cost you a turn to play.

Also she is much more consistent with her potential to draw from a pool of 5 cards vs. Lich King's 8 card pool, and she is a dragon. Lich King is still fantastic though.

The extra four health is a pretty big difference between using a minion plus a direct damage spell and having to wait two turns to eliminate her.

Not to mention that Ysera's cards are extremely cost effective.

That being said, being able to use your hero power or a 2 mana spell plus drop a giant taunt that could give you an amazing card is very strong, as is dropping it one turn early. Ysera is bae but the difference between eight and nine mana is pretty sizable.

I think Ysera's cards are far better too.

wasn't meant to be taken that literally I think

And has tribal synergy and can hide behind taunts and has more health and ... LK will be as good as druid 8 8/8 do not expect much more from him since he may give you one or two card but some of his card has no use in some situations. So he is a playable ancient protector:P

But 1 mana cheaper, which is huge. 9-mana cards essentially take your whole turn, but 8-mana can always be combo'd at least with a hero power.

But you stick this in every controlish deck, no question. Bit like Rag in that regard.

Not really - it has Taunt.

People actually said the same thing about Dr. Boom

How come? It's an 8/8 with taunt that generates immediate value. Obviously not put in aggro but in midrange and control its great.

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Lich king is more like troggzor than boom. Don't think it will see much play at all.

Seems a pretty great mid-range card.

Taunt makes it do something vs aggro. Can't tell you how many times I've had to hold Ysera because I didn't have the time to play her.

A neutral Ironbark would never see play LUL. Druid doesent play it. But the Lich King is rly good.

Twice.

Some of these are just as situational, and one will not work at all in a spell heavy deck

Rafaam, Nefarian, arguably Y'Shaarj/Kel'Thuzad (who see marginal play), and a big chunk of the quests.

I ended a game with double nightmare today

I think it being 8 mana instead of Ysera's 9 makes a huge difference though, the 9 mana slot is always super awkward because it's really hard to effectively use a 1-mana card that late in the game.

2-mana cards are often a bit more versatile, and it gives you a hero power option too. Which, if you have previously Hero'ed, can be a really significant amount of power.

Not saying it's strictly better, Ysera cards have less downsides and she does have the dragon synergy, but I think that 1 mana is a big deal.

Yeah I used to XD Silly Blizzard and their branding

Force of Nature is a spell, so it's not technically better. There's bee plenty of cards that are just objectively worse in almost every way but have one redeemining quality that makes they're technically not worse in every way. For example, Silverback Patriarch having the Beast tag and Hobgoblin synergy compared to Squirming Tentance, which otherwise is the exact same follower with 1 more attack.

This is more or less the first card that is objectively better than another in every conceivable way (besides overdrawing, which is more a stretch than usual for these kind of things).

[[ice ranger]] is better than [[magma ranger]], the 2 mana hunter adapt beast and [[Huge toad]] are better than [[bloodfen raptor]] for example.

They're two different ways to achieve the same goal. Arthas is straight up powercreep on Ironbark. Ironbark doesn't even have tribal tag for synergy to at least have some niche application.

There aren't any examples until now of class cards getting outclassed by a neutral in every manner. Other than what only being able to run one Arthas? I don't understand why they needed to powercreep Ironbark when there are plenty of shit neutrals that could have used a powercreep.

Dropped your /s

Again, not saying he is bad or else.

But lorewise, when did The Lich King started to be a wall ?

why would you care if it gets pained? You want this for the card, who cares if the body dies.

I cannot believe you just compared this to tirion...besides having taunt what exactly do they have common? Tirion is an auto include because he equips you with a 5/3 weapon without having to spend additional mana for it. He's also arguably harder to remove and gets guaranteed value.

I was thinking it would summon for your opponent as a drawback but....your explanation makes more sense. The fact that we are having this discussion means the wording should be clarified.

7 mana for a 5/3 weapon that doesn't completely deal with opponent minions or can only be used for face damage sounds too weak though.

I think I may have been confused about what death knight cards may be added. Whoops.

Despite what people think hearthstone needs aggro decks to remain healthy. Especially considering that they are far cheaper than control decks that rely on big legendaries and epics to actually be useable.

Also 40 minute control games aren't fun after the 10th one in a row.

Also, Smalltime Buccaneer was a card that slipped in with the card dump, they normally don't showcase non-flashy cheap minions.

Oh okay. Thanks!

Donais specifically said it would be revealed monday, so I was hoping there would be another barnes effect.

I think that really depends on how impactful the DK cards end up being. I'm keeping an eye on this card.

I thought it was eh too but arthas has taunt and I think I can maybe afford to spend a turn using this if you can kill a drak op or Elise. It's a nice swing.

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while that is good when i hear Lich King i think

10manna 30/30 with taunt, can't be targeted by spell or hero power, battlecry: summon six 10/10's with charge

Right. Just 3+ months...

monkaS

Yeah, I realized that MUCH too late.