๐๏ธ ilya239 ยท 398 points ยท Posted at 13:07:30 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Saphen- ยท 122 points ยท Posted at 15:25:12 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did you see those hero portraits at 2:14? Rogue and Hunter not quite polished yet I think...
Ruud-a ยท 64 points ยท Posted at 16:58:39 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can also see lots of cards with different text; Illidan used to be a crazy card!
conchois ยท 55 points ยท Posted at 18:45:52 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of them were OP back then but would be considered tame and playable by today's standard. Some would still be flat out busted though.
Here's all the cards I noticed in the video that were different:
Keeper of the Grove was a 2/3 in the video, used to be a 2/4 that was recently nerfed to a 2/2.
Cleave was 3 mana instead of 2
Shield Bearer had Enrage: +1 attack along with Taunt.
Onyxia: When you draw a card, deal 2 damage to all characters
Polymorph: 3 mana instead of 4
Fireball: 5 mana instead of 4
Soul Fire: 0 mana instead of 1 (nerfed during GvG I think?)
Cult Master used to be a 3/4 instead of a 4/2
Demoralizing Roar: Druid spell that is basically Pint Size Potion but for 3 mana instead of 1.
Savagery: Deal damage equal to your attack to all enemy minions.
Emperor Cobra: Has +attack equal to the number of mana crystals you have.
Dalaran Mage: 2/4 instead of 1/4.
Gorehowl: Attacking a minion doesn't lose durability
Illidan: 7 mana 7/7, each player discards 3 cards and draws 3 cards
Fade: Priest spell - 2 mana, give your minions taunt and draw a card
Tirion: Battlecry draw a card for each enemy minion replaces Ashbringer deathrattle.
DJ_IllI_Ill ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 19:03:11 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wish we had the Illidan shown here.
TheoreticalWizardry ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 19:18:35 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It fits so well with his character too, throwing away everything for new power.
ChemicalExperiment ยท 57 points ยท Posted at 20:23:50 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trust me, you don't. It was nerfed because of how cheap it felt for the opponent. You spend all game preparing your huge combo then out of nowhere Illidan shows up and you lose the game on the spot since your key cards are gone. Like, imagine if, instead of a Dirty Rat pulling out your Kazakus, it instead pulled out your Kazakus, Reno, and Jaraxxus all in one fel swoop, and you don't even get a body out of it. Let's just say this caused a lot of rage when playtesting.
DJ_IllI_Ill ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 20:59:09 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've played Magic. Disruption is one of the most important things for keeping combo decks in check. If the slightest bit of disruption makes combo decks completely fall apart, that doesn't mean that disruption is the problem - it means that the game's design is the problem.
ChemicalExperiment ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 21:56:58 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've played a bit of Magic myself, and I don't think it's a problem with Hearthstone's design. I think the lack of disruption is more of a byproduct of two things: it being an online game, and the decision not to have a sideboard. In a game like Magic, disruption is key because you can respond directly to the opponent on their turn. You can wait until your opponent plays their options, then immediately respond before they get any value from it. With Hearthstone all we have is sorcery speed, as to not slow down the game with "Response? Yes-No" triggers every time a card is played. And, at sorcery speed you can't be reactive about combos, you have to proactively try to mess the combo up before your opponent has a chance to play it. Normally that'd be fine, you'd have some sort of Pithing Needle type card and it would disrupt combos while still giving the other player a chance. But the problem is that you would normally include those types of cards in your sideboard, because they aren't worth a place in the deck proper. Without a sideboard, every response card has to be flexible enough to keep in the original deck, making it insanely overpowered against any combo deck you face.
And that's the case of the old Illidan, since it was a response to combo decks but was still a decent play against any other deck, meaning it was almost an auto-include in every deck. And I'm not saying Blizzard is off the hook here, because it became a problem after the Illidan rework that combo decks weren't taken care of, resulting in vanilla being dominated by Miracle Rogue. The answer unfortunately is that traditional 1-turn-win combo decks can't really work in Hearthstone. They need to be set up over two turns at least, and give the opponent ample options to counter. And that's not necessarily a bad thing. The game is still working both casually and competitively. I think the decision to remove heavy disruption has worked out for the better, and the experience has been more fun because of it.
smashrawr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:57:56 on May 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if it became like discover where you choose one card to discard and the other 2 pieces get shuffled back into your deck?
ImMeltingNow ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 05:07:29 on May 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice try, Blizzard PR dude.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 06:57:36 on May 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thats because in magic you A) have tutors B) have up to 4 of each card C) a combo just wins the game
smashrawr ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:38:46 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But imo we need cards that discard opponents cards. The only thing I see broken about illidan is in addition to screwing your opponents combo, you also got a 7/7 for 7 mana. Maybe if his effect was there but you didn't get a body, or a cheap body like a 3/3 would be more balanced. We need ways to force opponents to discard cards so you can make combo interactive. And with it being a legendary that's even more balanced. Combo in reality is the only archetype that can't be interacted with. The only way to beat combo is if you can kill them before they assemble the pieces currently. That's my problem. If there was a way to interact with the combo players hand (and no not force them to discard a card of your choice), then most of the problematic combo decks wouldn't be problematic (see miracle and the auctioneer and leeroy nerf, patron and warsong nerf, Worgen and charge nerf) as I can force you to discard pieces of your combo.
leigonlord ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:37:12 on May 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the problem with discarding your oppenents cards in hearthstone is that the 2 card 30 card deck means if you lose your combo pieces you lose the game. you could have a card thats 5 mana discard one of your opponents cards and it would be bad. not because its unbalanced but because its a 5 mana flip a coin combo player loses the game.
smashrawr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:11:45 on May 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yet dirty rat is ok? A 2 mana coinflip that is usually included with doomsayers to totally destroy your combo. And I'd rather RNG deal with it than look specifically at their hand and discard the card. And having the coinflip, combo player loses the game is necessary in hearthstone as literally the only way to beat combo is to race them. Hell I am even ok with cards like jade idol, as they can be used to beat fatigue decks. I think the more cards that can be used to beat specific archetypes the better. And cards that allow you to act with your opponents hands would prevent them from playing solitaire and actually play the game.
leigonlord ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:56:38 on May 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
this isnt allowing interaction with combo decks. its killing them. either combo decks are around and you cant discard opponents cards or you can discard opponents cards and combo decks dont exist. there is no world where combo decks exist with this mechanic.
smashrawr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:10:42 on May 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except there are literally Tech cards for counter play to any other deck types. There are no tech cards for counter play to combo (sans dirty rat somewhat)
leigonlord ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:15:34 on May 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
its not about being a tech card. hungry crab is a tech card against murloc and if you play hungry crab your winrate might go from 40 to 60%. if you discard an opponents combo piece the winrate goes from 40 to 100%. tech cards are good and there should be a tech card against aggro. tech cards shouldnt delete a deck though, just make it weaker.
okayfratboy ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:47:52 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also 2 mana execute! Its finally back to the REAL original!
10/10 giants!!
A whole category of "deal damage based on your opponents hand size" in priest.
And a druid card "Demoralizing roar" that is now Pint Sized Potion
Avant_Of_Eredon ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 19:27:02 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I also liked the part where epic card costed 32 dust to craft.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:00:06 on May 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dusting a common probably gave you one dust and everything was scaled to that. Though to be fair that is still cheaper than today by a long shot.
disabledchipmunk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:31:37 on May 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just assumed it was super cheap in the dev client..?
One_Angry_Cow ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:31:36 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Millhouse Manastorm used to add a 'megablast' to your hand
Cohenbby ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:21:34 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
actually demoralizing roar was 1 mana, literally the exact same card.
conchois ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:38:57 on May 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are correct. I got mixed up while switching back and forth on one monitor.
Verpous ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:03:40 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So it was just an infinite durability weapon as long as you only hit minions? WTF?
Debeck_HS ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 20:29:29 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think OP meant to say heroes. You could attack the enemy and the weapon would not lose durability, so 28 damage in the course of 7 turns.
Munrot07 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:01:54 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Millhouse manastorm was 2 mana 2/2 add a mega-blast card to your hand (or something like that).
Jblack2236 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:00:29 on May 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What was the legendary 10 mana spell that did 5 to all enemies at 0:45?
ryanj0421 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:33:00 on May 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Megablast. Used to be added to your hand by a 2/2 Millhouse
JUST YOU WAIT UNTIL I HAVE 10 MANA
Jblack2236 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:50:07 on May 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh cool. Thanks! Seems like it would be still ok like that. Way better than millhouse now.
isospeedrix ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:12:18 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
also "Standard Decks" at the bottom. foreshadowing
jde1126 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:18:07 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
4:11 I noticed that as well!
Hutzlipuz ยท 74 points ยท Posted at 16:58:20 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't believe my eyes "THE CARDS YOU CHOOSE ARE YOURS TO KEEP!" 4:18
And the entry is just 3 card packs. You basically spend 15 cards to get 30 cards - and you get to pick them!
Holy shit thats awesome. I can see why they did not keep it this way (but I wish they did).
faulheitsiegtimmer ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 17:18:30 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because everyone, at each decision, would get all the cards they don't have, regardless of quality to your arena deck. The gameplay of Arena would be pretty much random, as everyone with an uncomplete collection would just draft their missing cards.
Neolunaus ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:38:46 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know Eternal uses this system. I didn't play enough to know if it's a downfall but I didn't notice this happening.
Blastmaster29 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:23:25 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because that's how a draft works in a paper game. Sure you can just take the cards you want but with hearthstone it didn't make sense because you were basically getting twice as many cards that you paid for
Neolunaus ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:36:46 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eternal isn't a paper game. It's a digital CCG just like Hearthstone.
Blastmaster29 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:50:13 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I understand that, but I was saying eternal does it like a paper game.
PhD_Prof ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:34:10 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Something important he's neglecting to mention is that eternal drafts are the equivalent of ~1000 hearthstone gold (probably more, it's been a while since I played), so you're really shooting yourself in the foot by drafting for cards over a good deck.
ShaBiCaoMei ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:37:14 on May 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It costs 5000 gold in eternal which is equivalent to 500 gold in HS
slnz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:14:13 on May 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You pay 5000 gold for 4 packs + guaranteed at least 500 gold.
Buying packs is 5000 gold for 5 packs.
If you go 2-3 you get, altogether, 5 packs (4 of which drafted so you can choose cards) and 500 gold so it's already better even without taking the selection into account.
You're really not shooting yourself in the foot very much by rare drafting.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:45:58 on May 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
1k gold in eternal = 60-70 gold in HS.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:05:40 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not a good idea to do that. You usually want your investment back, so it's in your best interest to pick the most suitable cards rather than the ones missing from your collection. Besides common and uncommon cards are very easy to obtain.
Serious_Much ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:50:29 on May 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It would still be superior to the system of shite rewards arena has today!
zotekwins ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 16:10:50 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Those arena rewards tho. 10 wins = 5 packs, 15 wins = 15 packs, 20 wins = 30 packs
Elleden ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 16:52:36 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But starting at 5 wins, you get 1 pack per win. So I think that at 10 wins you'd have 5 packs, plus you'd get another extra 5. It seems very high risk-high reward, since you need 8 wins to BREAK EVEN, but if you get the max number of wins, boy, it's your lucky day. So it's kind of similar to the Heroic Tavern Brawl, rewards-wise.
Hutzlipuz ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 20:41:36 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can keep the cards you picked, so you basically break even after creating a deck. Spend 15 random cards, discover 30
MrMrUm ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:02:30 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
that was the forge, the alpha version of arena. you used to pay with packs to play the forge, but you kept the deck you made.
Hutzlipuz ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 16:41:55 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ben brode slouching in his chair, almost slides under the desk 1:04
Keeper of the Grove while it was still balanced 3:00
Crafting cards was muuuch cheaper (32 for an Epic?!) 3:49
"And then you can earn medals or packs of cards while playing [in Play mode]
Arena is called Forge and you can win 30 packs by winning 20 games 4:30 (Heroic Forge?)
There were "expert packs" probably just a different name for what became Classic after Goblins & Gnomes
They actually picked Magma Rager in
ArenaForge"That doesn't have to mean that the game has to have thousands and thousands of monsters" We are currently at about 823 collectible minions so we'll get there maybe this year. (with tokens and maybe boss cards it's over 1000)
isospeedrix ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 21:13:31 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
32 for epic but disenchants for 8. that's the same ratio as we have today. they just multiplied all the values to get even numbers.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:01:09 on May 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To get easy to calculate numbers more likely.
Psdjklgfuiob ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:25:35 on May 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He chose a book for reading
Elleden ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:59:57 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And apparently you also got to keep the cards you drafted in the
ArenaForge.NicEastvillage ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:43:24 on May 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But it cost 3 packs to enter.
Serious_Much ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:49:23 on May 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
so worth it
FinnAhern ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:28:53 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pre GvG, Cards you got in packs were called Expert cards as opposed to Basic cards.
Hutzlipuz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:32:12 on May 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That sounds like a nerf but was just the name
Tenngu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:28:00 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At about 0:40ish, they also showed crafting thoughtsteal for 32 dust, and DE for 8, they might have just not tuned the numbers yet.
Fyrjefe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:07:39 on May 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The old arena and crafting costs were so people could get their hands on cards more quickly while still experiencing the "collecting" aspect. It's too bad that costs are so steep nowadays and haven't been updated to suit the current game, having 3 expansions per year coming out.
Nozick29 ยท 99 points ยท Posted at 16:05:28 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I gotta say, watching that video reinforces a feeling I've gotten over the past few expansions, which is that I wish they hadn't gone soooooo far from the Warcraft lore. It's great that Hearthstone has become successful enough to stand on it's own, and they've introduced great new characters like the League of Explorers, but I still get a little jolt of nostalgia playing the big time Warcraft characters, nostalgia that was virtually nonstop during Vanilla and Naxx but at this point is barely existent, even moreso with Sylvanas and Ragnaros getting rotated out recently.
acquisitionofawesome ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 18:36:55 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The big issue for me is not that they move away from warcraft but that there's simply no lore anymore. I loved to read the backstories of the cards but in the recent sets there's nothing to read about expect from the flavour text or that small excerpt from doyle journal (or however it's called).
There's a lot of cool characters in the new sets, but without proper supporting lore it all feels a bit lifeless. Take lyra the sunshard, really cool card and cool entrance but what is she actually, what's her story? I hope the hearthstone team would put some more effort in creating stories around the cards and the expansions.
XalAtoh ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:08:40 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hearthstone = Warcraft cardgame, and will always be that.
They use less characters from older Warcraft games, like Sylvanas, Neferian, Ragnaros, Kel'thuzad.. even leaving characters like Kael'thas, Mannoroth and Arthas completely out of the picture. But it doesn't mean Hearthstone is moving away from Warcraft. They are now in position that they have to make their own Warcraft characters, simply because Hearthstone would run out of ideas if they didn't do that.
Serious_Much ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:52:07 on May 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They just save the remaining big characters for the panic button best ever release to save the game.
Kinda like the 10th class would likely also be a panic button to get people back into the game
5xxx5five ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:05:16 on May 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, they did mention we'll be getting new Solo missions starting with the next expansion. That will probably help with establishing a backstory for the new characters.
[deleted] ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 17:26:50 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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PM_ME_CUTE_SM1LE ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:00:24 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
there is a certain portion of legendaries or unique WOW characters in each expansion. Now the portion itself can tell a lot about their long term strategy. In some point in time there will be a point where we can with any notable WOW character in Hearthstone. Since they are not cramming expansions with most known heroes it is safe to say that they are going to create expansion for years to come
Sawovsky ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:18:49 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"real"? You mean old Warcraft characters. Herthstone is Warcraft game just as WoW is Warcraft game.
Imagine some Warcraft 3 fan playing WoW and he sees some new characters and says "wtf is this shit, where are real WC characters!"
Hearthstone has full right to contribute to the Warcraft universe and lore.
TweedleNeue ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:11:22 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They haven't added Elise, have they?
Managarn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:35:43 on May 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They removed Heroes of warcraft part of the name. Clear indication the game is trying to distance itself from warcraft which is a huge shame.
heyboyhey ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:51:19 on May 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It might not be as dramatic as that. Maybe they just wanted to trim down a long and awkward title that they originally felt like they had to have, but is not needed anymore.
Sawovsky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:12:20 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I always say this when I see this kind of complains, and I will say it again - Hearthstone is not "moving away from Warcraft", Hearthstone IS Warcraft, just as WoW is Warcraft and Warcraft 1/2/3 are Warcraft, and Warcraft books and comics are Warcraft... New characters in Hearthstone are simply new Warcraft characters.
WordsUsedForAReason ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:34:56 on May 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's only so much they can use before they run out. It's simply an unfeasible strategy in the long run. WoW releases what? 1 expansion every 2 years? In that time HS releases 6 with 100-ish cards each. That's 600 cards per 1 WoW expansion. Unless you'd want 10 Ragnaros cards and 15 different Gorehowls what they're doing right now is better.
DiniVI ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:39:03 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
[[Keeper of the Grove]] at 2/3 seems actually balanced
hearthscan-bot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:39:13 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
4 Mana 2/2 - Choose One - Deal 2 damage; or Silence a minion.
Call/PM me with up to 7 [[cardname]]. About.
2daMooon ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 17:12:35 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/u/bbrode looks like a child wearing adult clothing that snuck into the building @ 1:06
http://imgur.com/a/5rLz7
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:28:42 on May 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
holy molly, is that the brode himself? we have come a long way.
lumabean ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 13:51:23 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Back when arena was fair! /s
HeelyTheGreat ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 15:31:42 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Arena? What's this arena you're talking about?
Ah, you mean THE FORGE?
jmxd ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:47:06 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Both players build a deck in the same way SO IT'S TOTALLY FAIR!
Hutzlipuz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:42:58 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Implying that Play mode is not fair
Bougeek ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 15:08:40 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"It's a warcraft game but so accessible"
Yeah ! Very accessible game now
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:41:10 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is, you can play in home, on your phone wherever you are
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:18:09 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And question your life choices after you wasted that paycheck on the game.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:19:12 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No one forces you to pay
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:56:04 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:01:04 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As a person who barely ever spend any money on this game I strongly disagree
finalattack123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:31:23 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Access in the same way you have access to a Ferrari
smothhase ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:02:55 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i am not sure it is even a "warcraft game" anymore after a few more expansions ...
i mean, they already got rid of that subtitle by now.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:16 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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CrazyFredy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:05:00 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah they are writing their own lore now. They no longer have to pull from the existing lore.
smothhase ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:34:56 on May 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
still think there was no justification for that move, because wow-lore is one of the richest and has a giant fanbase and was what pulled most players in the first place. Heroes of the Storm doesn't start adding characters they made up on the fly either for a good reason. ppl wanna play their favorite iconic characters, that's what makes the game special in comparison to other contenders. this feels like a "you think you do, but you don't". blizzard knows best.
NotSureIfNameTakenOr ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 15:32:46 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What was Illidan's ability in this video? Each player discards two cards then draws two?
heezle ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 15:57:30 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
correct, but discard/draw 3 cards
NotSureIfNameTakenOr ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 16:10:16 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can see why they changed his battlecry... that would be extremely frustrating to play against. I just wish they changed it to something more interesting than what we currently have.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:25:19 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What would he be changed to though? The discard then draw effect feeds aggro/midrange too much against combo/control while Illidan's Warglaives aren't as notable of weapons as Atiesh, Frostmourne, Ashbringer, Gorehowl, Shalamayne, or Doomhammer. His current effect does fit him fairly well; he just needs to be a 6/6 for better survivability.
NotSureIfNameTakenOr ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:32:19 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He could have been changed to something along the line of "Mana Burn".
Battlecry: Your opponent has two-crystal locked during his next turn.
Or along the line of "Immolation". But that would ressemble Baron Gedon.
"Deal 1 damage to every minion at the end of your turn".
Or "Evasion". Basically a reverse ogre.
"This minion has 50% chance of ignoring damage"
Goldendragon55 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:59:52 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like evasion.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:11:47 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. Everybody is talking about how it would have disrupted combo decks, but it would actually be more easily abused by aggro decks just to draw cards. It's almost 7 mana 7/7 battlecry draw 3 cards if you have empty hands or only some cheap minions.
TheWizardOfFoz ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:33:49 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It would have given decks some form of combo interaction. If Illidan was still like that I guarantee they wouldn't have had to nerf half the cards they have done.
N0V0w3ls ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:05:34 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But they would have nerfed Illidan.
Krunchtime ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:23:15 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's fine, then I could've gotten that sweet nerf dust.
deityblade ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:20:28 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure you grasp how insanely busted Illidan like that was
smashrawr ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:56:16 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It would have made it to where you don't need to nerf Leeroy, auctioneer, charge, warsong commander, among other cards. The best part of this card is it is the only way to disrupt combo decks. Maybe they can nerf it to 2 cards. But there is no way to interact with combo decks and that's the only archetype that can't be interacted with.
eurasianlynx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:37:24 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's also a fantastic way to completely screw over a control opponent. If you're an aggro deck, this card would be fantastic to use if you ever run out of steam.
smashrawr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:48:46 on May 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes but there needs to be more interact with your opponents hand cards. Even if it isn't as extreme as a 7 mana 7/7, and instead a 7 mana spell that discards 3 and draws 3 or discards even 2 or 1 and draws that number discarded. The main point is hearthstone lacks a way to deal with combo decks besides kill them before they assemble the pieces or mill them.
eurasianlynx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:43:01 on May 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Still- three cards? Hearthstone is not a card game designed for this to be a fair concept. While discarding three random cards in mtg might not mean anything, it's huge in hearthstone, especially on turn 7 when aggro decks are running out of steam and control decks are starting to get their big threats on the board.
The thing about combo decks is yes, you have to kill them before they can find the pieces to their combo. That's the counter, and that's why they aren't found that often in the game. The only one I can think of in this season's meta is Divine Spirit + Inner Fire and I haven't seen anyone complain that it's broken in any way. They take so long to set up that they have a hard time winning.
smashrawr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:51:40 on May 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exodia mage? But seriously in my opinion here needs to be a way to act with the opponents hand. Even if it's discard 1 card or 2 cards, etc
eurasianlynx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:58:27 on May 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, Exodia is what came to mind for a deck that can't win. It's a deck, sure, but not really in the current meta.
Dirty rat is a good enough way to deal with your opponent's hand, imo. Removing cards from a match in an unavoidable way like this just does not fit the game.
TheWizardOfFoz ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:16:48 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Both Yugioh and MTG have "each player discards his hands and redraws" type effects. They're not even considered powerful.
InsaneWayneTrain ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:01:33 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
but this is not mtg or yugioh, we only have 2 or 1 offs, no lands clogging up hands and so on. you discard their win condition, and win. Dirty rat is allready a game breaker for certain decks, not to imagine 3 cards getting thrown away. Also it discards and then draws if I remember correctly, so in most aggressive or midrange decks its basicly a 7 mana 7/7 draw 3 and disrupt your opponent.
lifeisaheist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:30:51 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Wheel" type of effects are quite powerful in MtG. At least in some formats, such as Commander.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:26:10 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That version of Illidan is more stupid than pre-nerf Undertaker. He'd be the one card that Blizzard would nerf less than a month after his release due to the backlash.
smashrawr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:53:20 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I disagree. He would have dealt with miracle, patron, even exodia mage right now. The whole point is he would make combo interactive. The whole reason they nerf combo decks is because they are uninteractive in nature and people hate playing against them for that reason (the only way to beat combo is beat them before they assemble their combo). This illidan would be a 1 card combo disrupter and that's one of the things hearthstone desperately needs.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:50:47 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dirty Rat also deals with Combo decks while not bolstering the power of Aggro significantly. Every Aggro deck would run pre-nerf Illidan as for them he basically reads "Battlecry: Draw 3 cards. Discard your opponent's AoE and removal." It'd be horrible. I'd rather add in another Rat-like card, but make this one for spells.
smashrawr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:51:53 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think if it was slightly worse like 7 mana and didn't give you a body. Or 7 mana 3/3 discard 2 or 1 card and draw 2 or 1
TheWizardOfFoz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:48:16 on May 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think that as long as it was "Discard 3 cards. Draw cards equal to the number of cards discarded." It'd be perfectly fine. That prevents it being a free refill, but still keeps the disruptive angle.
leigonlord ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:40:47 on May 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
he wouldnt make combo interactive. he would of given you an i win button against combo decks. because of the 30 card decks and no more than 2 of a card if combo players lose their combo they lose the game right there.
smashrawr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:03:45 on May 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes but instead of having to race a combo deck, you could now interact with it by interacting with their hand.
Hutzlipuz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:46:30 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It would be cool in an Adventure (ah if only we would get more)
Fill your hand with Murlocs or good cheap cards
Run out of cards by turn 4 - no problem, Illidan gives you more
ToxicAdamm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:04 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep.
racalavaca ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:24:39 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, it's 3
bubbaa11 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:10:42 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
hahaha that card played at 0:44 was MEGA BLAST!!! for 10 mana, deal 5 damage to all enemies, sooo underpowered by today's standard.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:42:38 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Millhouse used to give you this card, he was 2/2
Elothel ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:05:39 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Millhouse used to be a pretty cool and balanced card. Why would they ever change it to the current version?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:06:03 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The current one is more fun and interactive
Nolzi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:23:04 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
dumpsteractive?
RiZZaH ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:29:45 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It also fitted him better with the whole "just wait till im done casting this" and takes forever.
Hutzlipuz ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:12:12 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Small indie team
xXdimmitsarasXx ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:44:55 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wish they reverted millhouse to what he was. An early drop with potential late game potency. Even if it's bad, it can't be worse than what he is now...
racalavaca ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:24:13 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man, I hate that they nerfed Illidan into being unplayable, but I sure am glad they changed him!
eduardo_a2j ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 14:13:52 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did you see the cost of Epics? 32 Dust 3:47... so good days... before they become avaricious.
Hutzlipuz ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:50:35 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That explaines how their dust is not divisible by 5
NikIvRu ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 16:06:32 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So their goal was to build a game that was very accessible and yet today HS is easily the most expensive Blizzard game...even when you account for the Colector Editions for the other games.
SadDragon00 ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 18:27:52 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Accessible โ Affordable
deityblade ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:21:54 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I still think Hearthstone is accessible. My friend started playing recently and he is doing great and having fun, and he hasn't spent any money- though I'm sure he will eventually.
sdrawkcabsihtetorW ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:19:23 on May 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You get in play a 10 minute game, you get out! FUN!
deityblade ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:36:45 on May 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Between the Tavern Brawls, Arena and Casual mode, theres plenty to do as a new player
sdrawkcabsihtetorW ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:11:30 on May 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody'd denying there's a lot to do. But a 10 minute game where you get meta'd is hardly fun for anyone.
lialialia20 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:21:57 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HS is F2P unlike other blizzard games like wow
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:12:39 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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lialialia20 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:11:21 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
well i only play HS and WoW, and to say HS is easily the most expensive game is just wrong.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:16:25 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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mayoneggz ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:59:18 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's pretty disingenuous. You don't need all the cards to play competitively. You don't even half the legendaries. You can easily hit legend with a F2P hunter deck or hit top legend with a 1-2 legendary deck. I can craft the top 7-10 decks and I only bought the pre-order.
You're also not factoring in time. Paying for every card is getting all the content on the spot with no effort whatsoever. WoW content takes a minimum of several weeks of grinding and you're still not guaranteed to be able to see all the content from instances. It's a huge timesink to access all the content in WoW that's nothing like hearthstone.
sdrawkcabsihtetorW ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:20:52 on May 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You don't need the full WoW game either. Can always just play the endless trial!
finalattack123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:35:21 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yah! I get to play one or two decks forever :D :D :D
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:49:07 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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mayoneggz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:06:09 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So grinding is ok in WoW because some people enjoy it, but grinding in hearthstone is not? I played both WoW and hearthstone. I feel like I have a much larger access to the game in hearthstone than I do in WoW because I don't have to grind weeks upon weeks to see all the content. If there's something I want, I can craft it as long as I'm careful with dust. I'm also paying less for hearthstone even with pre-ordering every expansion.
My collection consists of all the decks you mentioned plus things like dinomancy hunter, discard lock, and quest rogue. Again, I only paid for the pre-order and just saved enough dust for ~30 packs. If you're upset that you can't craft a whole bunch of decks as F2P without doing any grinding, then I don't know what to tell you except that's an absurd expectation.
StillNoNumb ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:26:26 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why would you ever want to own every single card in the game? It is not needed at all to play it and have fun, and it isn't even needed to climb to Legend.
HOVSEPYAN0 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:44:40 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Look how far we've come! /s
WildeTheGreat ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:50:52 on May 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They created a great game and then changed it to cash caw !
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:41:25 on May 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The responsibility for that doesn't lie with the design team. Blame Pricing Dept.
๐๏ธ ilya239 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:07:55 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The good old days...
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:17:41 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gorehowl crafted for 32 dust. QQ
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:19:31 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Used to be 8 dust for a common DE and 32 to make it FeelsBadMan
StealthTomato ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:31:02 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sightings:
2-mana Greater Heal with Inner Fire's picture (0:43)
Mental Collapse (0:43)
0-mana Conceal (0:43)
Different Rogue portrait (2:12)
Different Hunter hero (2:12)
Punchier sound effect on Arcane Missiles (2:46)
2/3 Keeper of the Grove (2:59)
1/4 Acolyte of Pain (3:23)
Voidwalker with Voidcaller's picture (3:23)
Purple center on Classic packs (3:30)
3/4 Cult Master (3:36)
Demoralizing Roar (Druid version of Pint-Size Potion) (3:43)
2-mana AoE Savagery (3:43)
0/5 Nat Pagle (3:44)
2/2 Millhouse (3:44)
0/1 Emperor Cobra (3:44)
Gorehowl that doesn't need sharpening (3:53)
Arena where you keep your cards (4:18)
2-mana Execute (!) (4:27)
1/1 Leper Gnome (!) (4:27)
Old Arena rewards (4:29)
Crazypants 7/7 discard/draw Illidan (5:04)
Card-drawing Tirion (5:08)
clammyhams ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:13:55 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
MEGA BLAST!
labilo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:18:08 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ARENA REWARDS !!!!!!
veldril ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:26:04 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yeah, I also remember the drama when Blizz announced Hearthstone that people were so hyped up about the new game and it turned out to be a card game and that got a lot people going into a rage. Funny now it's one of the top earners for Blizz :P
conchois ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:51:07 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Overwatch had the same kind of reaction at first. "WTF this isn't WC4 this is just a stupid TF2 clone!".
lsfnewyork ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:52:44 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Does anyone know what song is in that?
FardHast ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:21:12 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
1:23 Hey, who is that
LoBsTeRfOrK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:17:47 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TIL: Flame Strike use to do 5 damage to all enemies for 10 mana.
WeeZoo87 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:14:46 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
10 mana mage spell deal 5 damage to all enemies
coleschomer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:42:31 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Perfect Opponent
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:57:19 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Keeper of the Grove should go back to being a 2/3 like it was originally.
mrlizbn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:29:17 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"One of the best things about Hearthstone is how easy it is to get in and play"
How times have changed...
Jblack2236 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:59:14 on May 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's the legendary 10 mana spell deal 5 to all enemies? Wonder why it didn't make it in. Lol at 0:45
A_Wild_Bellossom ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:22:36 on May 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Milhouse used to be a 2 mana 2/2 that gave you that card. That's why in the tutorial he says, "Just wait until I have 10 mana"
Creepy0192876 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:47:33 on May 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
what cards are those at 1:36?
zegall ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:45:56 on May 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't know Andy Bernard was part of Team 5.
DiMit17 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:09:32 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They repeat how it's "very simple and accessive" and that you can "jump right into" so many times in the video that they started to believe it.
Try to be a new player nowadays ... You will get slaughtered immediately and need a lot of money/time to get into competitive.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:43:27 on May 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Youre not wrong. New players need to stick to standard casual, but it's still quite punishing if you go up against advanced decks.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:33:25 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ben Brode at 1:04
Agent-_-P ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:29:16 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
4:43
https://youtu.be/vF_PdZybRJE?t=283
" ... making games that are epic in quality, but not necessarily epic in skill, and that's exactly what Heathstone is."
nerdbomer ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:59:20 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He said "but not necessarily epic in scope".
The next guy expanded on that (by saying they wanted to completely change the definition of "epic"; they were definitely using the word wrong).
Caulaincourt ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 16:07:36 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It looks the fucking same. Really makes you realize how Blizzard did fuckall over the years.
Tymon123 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:46:58 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is how it used to look:
http://hearthstone.gamepedia.com/File:Development_-_pre-alpha_visual_target.jpg http://hearthstone.gamepedia.com/File:Development_-_3D_cards.jpg http://hearthstone.gamepedia.com/File:Development_-_Museum.jpg http://hearthstone.gamepedia.com/File:Development_-_Tyrande.jpg
naysawyer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:10:40 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The last one looks badass
CrazyFredy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:08:22 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The third one looks great
Fatal1ty_93_RUS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:17:24 on May 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The 3D cards and Tyrande versions look awesome
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:41:45 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It actually looks very different, less polished, lots of cards are different
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:43:20 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:11:46 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but many smaller UI changes makes it look very different.
Btw basically what that guy said at the beginning explains why Hearthstone development process isn't that good as it should be
RDeschain1 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:14:12 on May 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Hearthstone is an easy accessible game"
If you have a few hundred dollars to spare every few month.
jtrauger ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:38:22 on May 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only took 5+ years for it to fall on its face, thanks to their mantra of wanting RNG to be the "wow" factor.
lynx1243 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 15:17:59 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didnt saw Ben around the video...
iluvdankmemes ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:19:38 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then you gotta get some new eyes. He was sitting at a desk, very lazy posture.
lynx1243 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:24:10 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Opss, sorry.
DKThunda ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:09:11 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
32 dust to make an epic. If only this were still the case.
heezle ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 15:58:02 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tirion used to be a Warlock card!
AtlasF1ame ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:23:55 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
nope, pally boarder used to be pink
Elleden ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:56:26 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But the Thoughtsteal at 0:41 has a Warlock border, and is animated but isn't golden.
jmxd ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:54:14 on May 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, Paladin used to be pink instead of yellow like in World of Warcraft. They changed it before closed beta was available though i believe.