Making Doomhammer a legendary weapon would have been an elegant nerf

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But hey even if the Pally forgets about it, at least you know it's in the Rogues hand

(Priests steal cards from their opponents)

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Priest has a lot of cards which provide bonuses when characters are healed.

Paladins' limited healing abilities tend towards face-healing (at least in the sense that they're big heals, so don't have that much value if applied to minions' smaller HP) so providing a significant source of minion healing would both be a big style change and undermine the Priest's role.

Like Malkarok

Loot Hoarders brother, Hunter Loot Hoarder.
Mind if roll need?

equip a huffer

Poor Hubschraubbär needs healing :(

can't equip maces

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Well, you need to roll on the fragments.

Fun little factoid, I'm pretty sure I heard somewhere the very first Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker went to a hunter, just because they didn't know what the fragments did and that the reward was useless for hunters.

Implying hunters know and/or care for that.

At one point, Hunters could equip a bow and a one hander, so they actually had use for them, despite all the jokes. That was removed, though I don't remember exactly when.

Ours are shit.

Support weapons would be cool! You could have staffs that have 0 attack, gives +spell damage and loses a charge each time you cast a spell or something like that. Priest could have weapons that randomly heals a minion instead. Would love to see weapons like that!

I'd love to see Benediction, and you could choose between healing or doing damage with your hero power. The mechanic is already there with the improved Shaman hero power from Justicar.

I'd love a weapon that lowers attack instead of health.

I think it should be some weapon that is useable only to heal, like a pre-emptive loading up on your Hero turn for few turns.

Lightbomb and Velen's were insanely good for priest. What are you talking about?

Yeah I hated when our main tank gm got the first val'anyr.

Really? Our main healers were neither and they ended up getting it. I mean by the end of the expansion we had 4 or something so it wasn't a big deal but still.

It makes sense. The shards take forever to collect and you want them going to someone who is more likely to stick around.

or the tree druid. or the shaman.

Apparently some ancient kings owned it once.

EDIT: I forgot to mention it also shattered. As far as I know, this is actually the comprehensive lore for the item.

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It doesn't matter if anduin is his son, varain has nothing to do with priest and would be out of place

You see this argument for why Varian should be a priest card is just dumb. People are like "ooh, Garrosh and Varian shouldn't be together, it doesn't make sense," but the thing is, putting Varian with Anduin makes even less sense cause Varian is a warrior, he isn't classified as "Father of Anduin".

We already have seemingly contradictory things like Fizzlebang and Guldan, Fandral and Malfurion, and Valeera and Edwin. Not to mention neutral cards allow for weird things like Illidan and Malfurion, and Cairne and Garrosh.

Also, there are alternate heroes. For every "Garrosh shouldn't be with Varian" argument there is an equally convincing "Magni should be with Varian" cause they are both Alliance leaders. And for Priest, once Tyrande comes and some people are using her, it won't make any sense for Varian to be a priest card cause there would be no connection between him and Tyrande, making his inclusion with the Priest class very confusing.

Varian Wrynn fought as a gladiator after he was kidnapped. Valeera fought alongside him. Long story there, but he is definately a warrior. One look at the Legion cinematic should make that pretty clear.

Had to kill C'thun, not Yogg. Yogg was in Ulduar in Wrath.

But yeah, the quest for Atiesh was hard as hell. Vanilla was no joke.

Flame Leviathan, Mimiron and Yogg already have cards. But still plenty of bosses to use, and reprints are on the table now with the OG expansion.

I just love that raid. One of the coolest places in all of WoW.

The drop rate was like 5% tho

I would find that histerical if the warglaives were like "equip a 30/1 warglaive that ignores taunt. If you opponent is a warrior and they played justicar trueheart this game, equip a 400/1 warglaive that ignores taunts."

Spoilers: future illidan will be a priest card. Maybe paladin.

Corrupted Tirion, hmmmmm...

I know they are used, so why dont they add them already? Seems like wasted resources unless they dont want it in the game.

Did someone mention [Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker] ?

I'm pretty sure someone said [Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker].

Yes, every server has [Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker].

Two memes with one card, can't really argue with that.

It's a joke. In vanilla (or original) world of Warcraft hunters were infamous for rolling on every piece of loot because it "had stats they need" (which was technically true, they needed some of everything).

So a joke evolved about hunters needing thunderfury because it has agility on it, even though it's clearly meant to be more of a warrior tank weapon (I think it's the best in vanilla IIRC)

Call of the wild was quite a bit of love imo, but yeah.

I was making a joke about fact that [Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker] happens to be one of the most obvious and infuriating examples of "Everything is a hunter weapon". It is rather useless for a hunter, having an onhit effect that only procs from melee attacks with it, while at the same time, it used to be best weapon for protection warriors far into TBC. This didn't prevent several hunters from using their DKP on the item simply for it being orange, and their guilds letting them do so for some reason.

I indeed do not know enough about the current state of the hunter to say if they need new weapons or not.

WoW joke

I loved to link the achievement and everyone gets confused until someone actually links the weapon.

Has, it still happens regularly. As does anal [Rupture].

From a video I saw awhile ago, can't remember the name of it offhand, it was a compilation of sorts... Essentially, the weapon was quite difficult to obtain. One day, there was some sort of an interaction that happened in trade chat one day some time after the weapons addition to the game, and it was funny enough that it created a WoW meme that has lasted for years to come, like Leeroy Jenkins, for example.

Its because its a long ass name thats bright orange so of course its perfect for spamming

Originally, it's a legendary wow weapon. Haven't played d3, but if they implemented it there, it's a reference to wow.

Nah it's from vanilla WoW. D3 has tons of references like that in it.

Really?? from D3?? Did you just?

Absolutely a WoW thing. Like from Vanilla, old school Trade Chat spam

No, it's originally from World of Warcraft.

Thunderfury was a legendary in vanilla. They may have put it in d3 as well but it was in WoW first.

Some trolls don't work. It was a good try, and I see what you did there. You need to mount up on your [Invincible] so the downvoters can't see you.

It was always "Anal [Dirge]" on the server I was on, and it never got old

But you're already damaging up to 3 minions with the weapon already. So it's basically 4 damage to 3 minions, plus 2-3 damage to the other up-to-4 minions as well as the minions you've already damaged.

Across 4 turns, that's too much, imo, even for 10-mana (it's basically 4 board clears for 10-mana, effectively). So maybe reduce the base attack or durability (2/4 or 4/2), and reduce the mana to 8, maybe?

You give up a turn to have 3 more free explosive shots in a row in the 3 turns that follow it. Which means your usual 10-mana worth of cards in the 3 subsequent turns, plus basically a free glorified 5-mana spell.

So sure, I'd take 20-mana worth of spells for 10-mana across 4 turns.

Its only fitting that the hunter legendaries are never legendaries

Savanna Highmane is the best hunter legendary and you can play more than 1. How absurd is that

Not really. It's often run twice in decks.

Or "Mana Bomb"

Why would the Dark Portal be a spell? It keeps getting used over and over in the lore (Khadgar is a pretty shit wizard.)

"Summons all orcs"

Haven't there been at least 3 Dark Portals by now.

Yeah, i've been creating a lot of Warlock custom cards for a burning crusade expansion i've been thinking of, and I really want to put the famous Chaos Bolt in the game, but I simply can't figure out a way to incorporate it into the game. Some things worth noting of it is that it has a long cast time and always crits in WoW.

8 Mana, Deal 10 damage, discard your hand

well we don't really have an upper midrange spell right now in HS that can go face (we only have flame lance for minions). It jumps from lava burst and fireball to pyro. You could have something like 6 mana deal 7 or 8. Even at 7 which isn't too mana efficient it would probably see some play because of Cho'Gall.

Forgive me if im wrong but didn't it ignore armor?

The card could deal damage straight to health. Maybe that'd be too niche anti warrior tho.

What gets me is that Garrosh drops Gorehowl at the Sha of Pride fight (it's visible on the floor before you portal to Orgrimmar), but he still has it when you fight him in Orgrimmar! Not to mention all the Prince Malchezzar Gorehowls!

THEY'RE EVERYWHERE

I thought we agreed that we weren't ever going to bring up the extra dimensional stuff

WoD was just a dream

Especially after RIP Knife Juggler.

Nobody plays a 2 mana 3/2 without an effect. If you don't get the battlecry it's pretty weak.

It doesn't, really. Even if a few mage, warlock, priest, and druid decks started wplaying weapons, that puts those cards over the top.

Harrison and Ooze don't "break" weapon classes, they're just a strong card against them. They also don't "auto lose" against non-weapon classes, they're just poor, vanilla minions. That's what a tech card should be; something both rewards a player for understanding the meta and knowing cards to put in their deck based on what they might play against, and also something that serves as a guarantee that a particular card or card type won't become oppressive, as it can be tech-ed against.

I think Blizzard don't care too much about the weapon, considering they made it an epic drop in WoW, as opposed to (regular) Ashbringer, which has been completely unobtainable until the next expansion, where it'll be Retribution Paladin's only weapon.

Now, if we take that logic and apply it to Doomhammer, which is also an Artifact for Shaman, it doesn't quite make sense why Doomhammer is only epic in Hearthstone.

no, Grom had the power.

What the others said. Grommash could've done it with any weapon the size of Gorehowl, but Tirion wouldn't have been able to destroy Frostmourne without Ashbringer.

Again, that was really Grommash's power, not Gorehowl's.

Given how huge of a pussy the warcraft universe has made Mannoroth, it's not that amazing

As far as I know, it's debatable whether the sword was named after Alexandros, or if it was the other way around.

The sword was so powerful because it was created with the crystal that was the embodiment of shadow, which was later purified by the paladins of the Silver Hand. From the last line of the lore's origins paragraph: "They agreed to forge a weapon from the crystal that would smite the undead with such power that only a cloud of ash would remain in its wake — The Ashbringer". What can be gathered from this is that it was the sword that had the reputation of turning undead into ash, not Mograine himself.

Just a sword with a shard from a naaru, imbued with the light itself.

The shard actually started as a powerful void artifact that they found interesting because it would absorb light magic, and they cast on it until it burst with light. So becoming corrupted could easily happen if the light was drained from it.

No, it's not. The glowy disc is pretty much the source of its power, it is much more than just a sword.

A weapon spawned by another card isn't the same rarity as the spawning card.

It has an orange gem because it belongs to a card that is legendary, not because it too is a Legendary Card.

Until they add a mechanic to unequip a weapon without destroying it, it is just a visual to reflect the card that created it.

Still a full dust refund overall.

The reason why we get full dust disenchantments whenever a card is nerfed is because Blizzard doesn't want to piss off players who crafted those cards. By allowing them to disenchant for the full value, those players can get their dust back and have no reason to be angry.

By making Doomhammer legendary, those who crafted it before that will get the full value back anyway (since legendaries disenchant for 400, the amount they used to craft the epic) so they wouldn't need to offer any more than that.

That was the point.

It's a nerf to shaman, not the card. And the fact it is now more expensive to craft should have no bearing to whether they give full refund cost.

This is a good idea. Everyone jumps to disenchant their cards when nerfs hit. But if you changed Doomhammer to a Legendary, it might give someone MORE incentive to craft it, as they'd only have to craft one. By leaving its crafting cost at 400 until the nerf dusting window expires, people don't get shafted.

If they were concerned about Dust refunds, they would have nerfed Savage Roar and not FoN

A little out of relevancy, but that is the driving suspected logic to why they don't nerf Dr. Boom. I have friends that sat on golden Dr. Boom for over a year hoping the day would come.

Yea! Beat it!

Full epic discount is 400, but full legendary discount is 1600, mate

That would be over 8 turns, 8 turns where you have the time to play a taunt and make his weapon useless

What's that about [Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker]?

Huh never thought of that it could be interesting for sure

Would taunt still be cheating if face is taunt?

True that was also make ice rager amazing for warrior

Leap of Faith: 2 mana legendary priest spell, give your minions immunity to area of effect spells.

DON'T STAND IN FIRE WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU

I think gorehowl is fine, as it's already probably the most iconic warrior weapon from warcraft

But it has 2 overload so it's kinda 7 mana

So what? It still refutes the original statement.

You're not collectible.

Gorehowl is definitely more of a centerpiece than Gromm. Gromm is just a win condition in some scenarios that usually requires 2 cards. Various slower Warrior decks didn't even include him because it often was just a 2 for 1 that cost 8 mana. When you put Gorehowl in your deck, you know you're going to be not only need to heal a ton, but the game is going quite longer. If we are talking about what defines a deck (as in centerpiece), I'd say Gorehowl is much more definitive. When I see my opponent play Gorehowl, I can basically identify 25/30 of their other cards just by the implications of running Gorehowl. Gromm can fit into almost any Warrior deck just fine.

I think the feelbad would come from the fact that a weapon or spell even if super powerful, generally isn't going to be the centerpiece of your deck like say a Gromm is. It's a utility piece that's just meant to help your deck along, not be the big thing you slam down with excitement.

Yeah, this is what I think it really comes down to. Doomhammer, Gorehowl, or a legendary spell wouldn't change the game. Yogg'Saron, C'thun, even something like Lorewalker Cho or King Mukla changes the game in a pretty significant way. That's not to say they're inherently better than the former options. Just that the former options wouldn't have as much impact. There's no counterplay or urgency to dealing with a spell. Same with a weapon. "Oh no my opponent has Doomhammer." Yes, tech options do exist, but you're not going to go "Oh shit this is a really insane card I need to get rid of now" in a majority of cases. Same with Gorehowl. You let them keep them unless you are running the Tech.

Then why do we even have all those cards? Let's remove them all from the game and just go with the 100 or so meta cards.

Which phrase, [Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker]?

Arcane shot is a worse Living Roots, Darkbomb is a worse Frostbolt, Stormforged Axe is a worse Fiery War Axe, On the Hunt is a worse Mortal Coil.

Yes, yes, no, no, those last two aren't comparable in the same way.

Yes, it is different classes, but the issue here is that rockbiter weapon is a core shaman card, akin to Innervate or Fireball or Power Overwhelming. People would flip shit if Blizzard made fireball a 4 mana deal 5 damage, even if it is still a decent card.

Darkbomb is worse than Frostbolt.

I don't remember flesheating but i can confirm questing adventurer rarity change is a thing

(2+3+3) *2 + 2 * 2= 20

(2+3) * 2+ (2+3) *2=20

You forgot about the two attacks afterwards.

second option is better unless option 1 is lethal, obviously :P

I like the idea of making it a legendary more for the opportunity to change up the game a little and lead to legendary spells as well. Doomhammer will be strong as long as rockbiter can be cast on the hero

I'm afraid it's you who missed the joke. Remember they use the sword to kill "that which has no life"?

Hang on, got to go find my [[Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker]]

Doomhammer is too good, so much so that it actually hurts shaman. Blizz can never release weapon/damage buffs that effect the hero because of how strong it is. Doomhammer x double rockbiter is just as cancer as Druid combo was. Hammer of Twilight, which everyone can agree is a really strong card, will never see play just because of how good Doomhammer is and that it occupies the same mana slot.

Good cards are allowed to exist, but not when they negatively impact card variety.

Also...don't ignore the fact that Doomhammer is a LEGENDARY ITEM OF LORE! It's a fucking legendary item in the game that hearthstone is based off of...

The problem with good cards is that most cards are only average and are therefore useless in a game where the good cards exist. This is how you end up with a handful of mandatory netdecks that are the only viable way to play in the short term, and power creep in the long term.

The only thing really inelegant about it is if they didn't also do it to things like gorehowl at the same time. You could easily argue that right now it's not very elegant for unique characters to be limited to only one in a deck, but unique items can have two.

Refer to my other comment, harrison had actually better value pre standard than right now because rogue's gameplay doesn't rely around her weapon anymore and there's only gorehowl for warrior that's really valuable to destroy since death's bite is gone.

I guess you could say pirate warrior is scary with his weapon but he's not the major offender, doomhammer clearly is the biggest threat.

Also i'd say yes all deck should bring in harrison OR ooze, some can use both, some are too greedy to use ooze but harrison is mandatory imo, of course that's if you're a midrange/control deck, aggro decks don't care about that

They were around, but shaman didn't have the insane early game it has now, with Trogg, Totem Golem, Tuskarr and Flamewreathed Faceless.

Because Shaman has other good cards to go around it now.

Reddit wants to nerf every card that it loses to. Wait, someone just lethal'd me with Stonetusk Boar. Add it to the list.

I always used a burst shaman deck with the windfury spell. Was actually competitive up until the Leeroy nerf. Shaman as a class hasn't had quite enough tools to be competitive until LoE, it was just on the cusp with all the TGT cards.

Sure those classes are strong but harrison was played a lot right before standard as well, and there were actually better reasons to play him and ooze.

Rogue is strong but doesn't use it's weapon a lot unlike pre standard where their gameplay was weapon based and destroying it could be game winning.

Paladin has truesilver but you usually wait for ashbringer to use weapon destruction, didn't change from pre standard.

Warrior has only gorehowl which is worth destroying, you can use it on 1 durability fiery war axe for tempo but that's not really a great play. Pre standard destroying Death's bite was very important as it could've been his last activator for execute/grommash.

ONLY doomhammer is so broken that you HAVE to have a weapon destruction play or you lose to it, and that was already valid pre standard.

I do agree that there isn't currently any balance issues with aggro shaman or doomhammer. But if somehow it does become oppressively powerful, any change they make should be on doomhammer and not rockbiter (or at least not removing the ability of rockbiter to target face).

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Anytime you're thinking of using the word pretentious you should take a long hard think on it before you do. I don't have a particularly strong opinion on Reynad having never watched his stream or any of his casts. You being an insecure judgmental baby has nothing to do with him.

Hi.

well this is a forum for discussion not jerking yourself off about a play

Where'd you get 28 from? It's (3+3+2)x2, 16.

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Sorry, I agree with that. I thought you were saying only aggro runs doomhammer at all. My bad!