[deleted] ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 16:23:22 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
Some faerie dragons are tagged as dragonkin, mana wyrms are tagged as beasts, while mana wyrms are not tambeable by Hunters they older brothers ARCANE WYRMS are tameable and fall on the serpent family.
For the why are fey like faerie dragons tagged as dragonkin, while they are not true dragons, probably because the Blizzard consider's the structural factor to consider something Humanoid, Dragonkin, etc...
Soo fairy Dragon might be considered Dragonkin on Hearthstone because[a few of them on Wow are dragonkin] of how they look like one, they are semi-inteligent or inteligent[check], they are Lizard-like[check], Have a Breath[fire,water, magic etc..., check, just play brightwing on heroes]
I thought they lived in Blade's Edge Mountains in Outland. But to be fair, a bunch of druids set up camp around there and probably brought their faerie friends.
back in the day Alliance toons could do a questline in Ferelas that awarded a little faerie dragon pet. I don't remember if Cata affected Feralas at all so it might be gone now.
I stopped playing right before cata but I had something like 150 pets. I hear they added a pokemon battle feature for them since then. Makes me tempted to check it out
Ah, beat me to posting the wowhead link first hehe.
Anyways, i guess it was a design thing for WoW back in the day. It might have felt aesthetically awkward (for lack of better adjective) to track Dragonkin at such low levels, I guess given that the Dragonflight of WoW are considered Endgame caliber creatures.
My 2 cents
Sanic3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:06:00 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Eh not really. Dustwallow and Wetlands were lower level than Feralas and had dragons.
They're a combination of arcane elemental and mechanical construct. If WoW allowed for minions to have multiple subtypes then they would all be "Elemental Mechs" instead of some being mechs and others being elementals.
What's odd is that Anima Golem is considered a mech in Hearthstone while Arcane Golem isn't. The two are extremely similar.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:58 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That's a nice thing to implement on Hearthstone, Elementals, we already have a bunch of them [ most of them are Shaman...]
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:44:48 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Arcane Golems are held together and powered by magic, in fact they have very little in common with mechs besides being autonomous, so a lot of the mech interactions wouldn't make much sense for them.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:36:25 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
In a sense, but they are not moved by Science or mechanical parts, but by magic.
Now, If you would place every Golem as a mech on Hearthstone ,well...time to palce Sludge Belcher as a Mech, because he is a Meat Golem.
Mike737 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 12:04:31 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It's made out of Mana though, I'm not even sure it counts as a living thing. Like, I could make a Paper dragon but it still wouldn't be an actual dragon. Kinda how Komodo Dragons aren't actually dragons.
Ah I see, "Other creatures" - yeah, that implies not Dragon. Cool.
Patashu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:34:08 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Read lower down on the page.
LtCubs ยท 193 points ยท Posted at 11:24:30 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Here's the thing. You said a "Mana Wyrm is a Dragon."
Is it in the same family? Yes. No one's arguing that.
As someone who is a scientist who studies Dragons, I am telling you, specifically, in science, no one calls Mana Wyrms Dragons. If you want to be "specific" like you said, then you shouldn't either. They're not the same thing.
If you're saying "Dragon family" you're referring to the taxonomic grouping of Drakonids, which includes things from Dragonkin to Proto-Dragons to Aspects.
So your reasoning for calling a Mana Wyrm a Dragon is because random people "call the scaly ones Dragons?" Let's get basilisks and orcs in there, then, too.
Also, calling someone a human or an ape? It's not one or the other, that's not how taxonomy works. They're both. A Mana Wyrm is a Mana Wyrm and a member of the Dragon family. But that's not what you said. You said a Mana Wyrm is a Dragon, which is not true unless you're okay with calling all members of the Dragon family Dragons , which means you'd call Dragonkin, Proto Dragons, and other animals Dragons, too. Which you said you don't.
i think youve crossed into a different universe, in this one mana wyrms arent related to dragons at all. they were just named by idiots and the scientific name is Draconis Anguilla
KKlear ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 12:58:25 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
If you're saying "Dragon family" you're referring to the taxonomic grouping of Drakonids, which includes things from Dragonkin to Proto-Dragons to Aspects.
Dragonkin and Proto-Dragons are already considered to be Dragons in Hearthstone. Furthermore, aspects have nothing to do with taxonomy, as all the original ones were also Proto-Dragons and Thrall, an Orc, has been an aspect at least for a little bit.
E10DIN ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 12:59:57 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Whoosh?
That's a reference to unidans crows/jackadaws rant.
KKlear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:05:09 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Haven't read that before. He's go a point, though.
E10DIN ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 13:08:29 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah the unidan rant it's based off of was a biologist talking about the differences between crows and jackadaws so I'd imagine it makes sense from a biological perspective.
KKlear ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:12:35 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I tend to go on rants about how "crow", "raven" and "rook" is usually translated between Czech and English. Not quite the same, but close enough.
And lore-wise they're incorporeal beings akin to water creatures of their area: http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Mana_wyrm -> "Mana wyrms are floating, serpentine creatures found in the blood elven lands and some Outland zones such as Netherstorm. They closely resemble the eels found in various bodies of water."
They seem to be only Wyrms in name. But then again, Nether Dragons are also more like dragon... specters... or something. Not that I'd call Blizzard inconsistent in their naming of things but... they are.
Ah, yeah. Correct. I remember now. Some "dark energy" had "corrupted" them when Draenor blew up, right? There was a dragon (or several?) complaining about that in BC iirc... It's been a long while.
Drasha1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:23:48 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Dragons are not native to Draenor. Deathwing brought dragon eggs to Outlands to create nether drakes for some reason I can't recall.
Right. It all comes back bit by bit. I was really into the lore a few years back but I haven't touched the game since mid-Cataclysm. I didn't even fight Deathwing. But just now I remembered the quest where you had this cutscene where Deathwing fought against Alexstraza in the Twilight Highlands... and then some other quests reaching way back to Redridge Mountains...
Welp. Maybe I'll get back into the lore again at some point.
Drasha1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:55:22 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
If you read Day of the Dragon it is about the orcs controlling the red dragon flight. I enjoyed the book when I read it a long time ago.
It was a decent read. I think I had a little compilation of Warcraft books, there was that story, Medivh and Khadgar's origins, one shorter one about this Paladin meeting an Orc in the woods, and I believe Thrall's origin story was in there as well.
Merrena ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:34:26 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
They just enslaved them on Azeroth.
adilmaru ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:33:14 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
They enslaved Alexstraza.
Lockeid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:52:39 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Deathwing brought lots of black dragon eggs to Draenor before it became Outland, and it was taken care of by him and Sinestra through the Dragonmaw clan (in Shadowmoon valley). When Draenor shattered and became Outland it affected the eggs and that clutch became the Netherdrakes.
They weren't created to be netherdrakes, as Deathwing brought them to Draenor so they were safe from the threats in Azeroth, it's just that when Draenor shattered the energy for the Twisting Nether changed affected them to change.
Actually, Nether drakes were created after Deathwing abandoned them. The destruction of Draenor and its subsequent transportation into the Twisting Nether made the hatchlings almost incorporeal, creating the nether drakes.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:14:39 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The Twisting Nether, it's what it does to stuff.
๐๏ธ GlenThen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:03:22 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yea I just Wowheaded it, you're right. One can dream.
Luksin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:03:21 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Frost Wyrms are dragons.
Suradner ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 12:37:29 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Frost Wyrms are dragons.
Sounds like a Black Bear/Koala Bear sort of situation.
Hence why I said that Blizz isn't really consistent in naming their stuff.
They have Kodos which are actually Clefthoofs. That's the equivalent of calling a mammoth an elephant.
They also have Wyrms that look exactly like dragons, dragons that look like flying serpents, flying serpents that are actually called flying serpents and then they have Wyverns - which, in the real world lore are scaled, winged dragons - that are lions with wings and a scorpion tail... the real world equivalent of a manticore. It's a fantasy world and Blizzard has free reign over what name they give to things. It's not a basis for logic whatsoever :)
I'm a big lore fan after years of WoW. I appreciate what we do get in terms of creature types and flavor text, but once again I have to remind everyone that this is not World of Warcraft.
Creature types vs balance decisions, etc. It is what they say it is.
Khengar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:27:41 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
He is a Wyrm
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:40:49 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I thought the point of the Mana Wyrm was that it was in the shape of a dragon (wyrm) but like...created out of mana or something arcane or magical bullshit nonsense, etc.
stygianz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:54:19 on August 21, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
psymunn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:40:07 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Pre-nerf flame imp.
๐๏ธ GlenThen ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:48:58 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I know there is a lot of text they need to fix but I would like to see this one right away. I know Brian Kibler would like this, he's one of the only streamers I see play dragon mage and its fun to watch him
_Peavey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:14:57 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I think every dragon should be a Beast in addition.
Well, all dragons are technically beasts...
KKlear ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:01:17 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Orcs as well.
Isthatracist?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:00:00 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Here is what we Need, a new adventure themed on Dragons.
But now RLY Themed on Dragons, each class will get 2 Dragons, 1 common and 1 Rare.
Red dragonflight for Warriors: Why? well Warriors now have a 3/3 named on the Red Dragon Aspect, and all the lore around Orcs enslaving Red Dragons on the 2 war.
Bronze Dragonflight for Paladins: Because they match colors, and the 5/5 of BRM.
Blue Dragonflight for Pries...nope, obviously for Mages.
Black dragonflight for Rogues, both of them are cunning,like ambushes, and Rogues worked together with Wrathion to make him...well, the last of the black dragonflight.
Green Dragonflight for Druids, like Mages, it's kind of obvious.
Twilight Dragons for Priests: the theme of Twilight have a certain ring with Priests HOLY/SHADOW thing, and we already have a 2/1(2/3 Twilight Welp)
Netherwing Dragonflight for Warlocks, they have this very close relationship with the twisting NETHER.
Hunter's ...i don't know, It's kind of weird to give to a guy that uses beasts ,Dragons, and the remaining dragon flights are kind of "why?" infinity, plagued and undead , Hunter's could get dragons with beast sinergy...
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Patashu ยท 208 points ยท Posted at 09:53:16 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Mana Wyrms are canonically not dragons in WoW.
http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Wyrm
Mike737 ยท 86 points ยท Posted at 12:02:16 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Neither are Faerie dragons to be fair. They are beasts of Ashenvale.
LiquidOxygg ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 13:18:07 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I remembered them being dragons in Feralas.
[deleted] ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 16:23:22 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
Some faerie dragons are tagged as dragonkin, mana wyrms are tagged as beasts, while mana wyrms are not tambeable by Hunters they older brothers ARCANE WYRMS are tameable and fall on the serpent family.
For the why are fey like faerie dragons tagged as dragonkin, while they are not true dragons, probably because the Blizzard consider's the structural factor to consider something Humanoid, Dragonkin, etc...
Soo fairy Dragon might be considered Dragonkin on Hearthstone because[a few of them on Wow are dragonkin] of how they look like one, they are semi-inteligent or inteligent[check], they are Lizard-like[check], Have a Breath[fire,water, magic etc..., check, just play brightwing on heroes]
While Mana Wyrms look like Eel's.
RiteInUrEye ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 19:07:00 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ironically spelling intelligent wrong[check]
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:18:18 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
i AM sorry, english is not my first or second language, i am well aware that i make a huge amount of mistakes when i try to communicate using it.
RiteInUrEye ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 19:21:17 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
no worries, im just buggin. je ne parle pas francais tres bein, aussi.
:)
Ray661 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:15:14 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Aren't Faerie Dragons a part of Ysera's brood (with my limited knowledge)?
sjk9000 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:19:55 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
They work for Ysera, but aren't actually part of the Green Dragonflight.
erik4848 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:25:35 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Bit non-canon but Malfurion calls them ''One of Ysera's creatures"
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:27:36 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Well, he is not wrong Fey are native of the Emerald Dream, created by the Titans and passed to be guarded and sustained by Ysera's.
Soo you could say that any being that it's origins are from Emerald Dreams are one of the Ysera's Creatures.
FrothingAccountant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:00:53 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I thought they lived in Blade's Edge Mountains in Outland. But to be fair, a bunch of druids set up camp around there and probably brought their faerie friends.
flameofanor2142 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:45:34 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
back in the day Alliance toons could do a questline in Ferelas that awarded a little faerie dragon pet. I don't remember if Cata affected Feralas at all so it might be gone now.
sharkattackmiami ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:35:53 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I got that pet, had to farm for one of their eggs I think.
flameofanor2142 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:14:24 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It was my favourite pet, honestly. I had a bunch of others but I only ever used that one. It wasn't as common to have as a lot of the others.
sharkattackmiami ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:34:41 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I stopped playing right before cata but I had something like 150 pets. I hear they added a pokemon battle feature for them since then. Makes me tempted to check it out
flameofanor2142 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:36:55 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Imo it's nothing special. I took breaks in between, but capped my druid in both Cata and MoP. Did maybe 12 total pet battles the whole time.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:29:52 on August 21, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
..
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;_;
Mike737 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:40:47 on August 21, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah.. just like Komodo Dragons in real life aren't dragons. And Quala Bears aren't bears.
They were a magical unit from Warcraft 3, a natural animal of the Forests of Ashenvale. And they started in Hearthstone as a beast.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:46:03 on August 21, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not saying you're wrong I was just pointing it out because I thought it was amusing
๐๏ธ GlenThen ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 10:02:34 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You're right they are beasts in WoW
http://www.wowhead.com/search?q=mana+wyrm#npcs
Rpgguyi ยท 88 points ยท Posted at 11:24:10 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Make a new topic "Shouldnt Mana Wyrm be a Beast? " :P
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 13:05:09 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Just what we need, another buff to Hunter!
digitalovertone ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 13:10:58 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
More like a buff to Hemet. Guy shits on my Beast Pirate Rogue hard enough already :(
Szylepiel ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 13:42:51 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You play Mana Wyrm in Beast Pirate Rouge? Damn, with that change Hemet would be the ultimate counter.
/s
bladelock ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:54:55 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, beat me to posting the wowhead link first hehe.
Anyways, i guess it was a design thing for WoW back in the day. It might have felt aesthetically awkward (for lack of better adjective) to track Dragonkin at such low levels, I guess given that the Dragonflight of WoW are considered Endgame caliber creatures.
My 2 cents
Sanic3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:06:00 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Eh not really. Dustwallow and Wetlands were lower level than Feralas and had dragons.
rabidwhale ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:50:46 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Arcane golems are canonically mechanical units but ben brode refuses to admit it, even though it most instances they are.
assassin10 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:39:37 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
They're a combination of arcane elemental and mechanical construct. If WoW allowed for minions to have multiple subtypes then they would all be "Elemental Mechs" instead of some being mechs and others being elementals.
What's odd is that Anima Golem is considered a mech in Hearthstone while Arcane Golem isn't. The two are extremely similar.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:58 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That's a nice thing to implement on Hearthstone, Elementals, we already have a bunch of them [ most of them are Shaman...]
trashywashy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:32:11 on August 21, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Hearthstone really needs more tribes in general, but before that the existing ones need more viability.
ashesarise ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:46:58 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ehhh. They are more magic than machinery.
FrothingAccountant ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:01:31 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
He's more machine than man now.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:44:48 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Arcane Golems are held together and powered by magic, in fact they have very little in common with mechs besides being autonomous, so a lot of the mech interactions wouldn't make much sense for them.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:36:25 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
In a sense, but they are not moved by Science or mechanical parts, but by magic.
Now, If you would place every Golem as a mech on Hearthstone ,well...time to palce Sludge Belcher as a Mech, because he is a Meat Golem.
Mike737 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 12:04:31 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Neither are Faerie Dragons
deadrebel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:53:49 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'm missing something - the link you provided:
ANAL_McDICK_RAPE ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:23:32 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It's made out of Mana though, I'm not even sure it counts as a living thing. Like, I could make a Paper dragon but it still wouldn't be an actual dragon. Kinda how Komodo Dragons aren't actually dragons.
UnluckyScarecrow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:42:41 on August 21, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, does that mean Komodo Dragons are made of komodo? What is komodo?
Banglayna ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:43:25 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
scroll down, it then says there are other creatures called wyrms as well. (implying they are different than the wyrms that are considered dragons)
and mana wyrms are listed as one of those creatures.
deadrebel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:02:35 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ah I see, "Other creatures" - yeah, that implies not Dragon. Cool.
Patashu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:34:08 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Read lower down on the page.
LtCubs ยท 193 points ยท Posted at 11:24:30 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Here's the thing. You said a "Mana Wyrm is a Dragon."
Is it in the same family? Yes. No one's arguing that.
As someone who is a scientist who studies Dragons, I am telling you, specifically, in science, no one calls Mana Wyrms Dragons. If you want to be "specific" like you said, then you shouldn't either. They're not the same thing. If you're saying "Dragon family" you're referring to the taxonomic grouping of Drakonids, which includes things from Dragonkin to Proto-Dragons to Aspects.
So your reasoning for calling a Mana Wyrm a Dragon is because random people "call the scaly ones Dragons?" Let's get basilisks and orcs in there, then, too.
Also, calling someone a human or an ape? It's not one or the other, that's not how taxonomy works. They're both. A Mana Wyrm is a Mana Wyrm and a member of the Dragon family. But that's not what you said. You said a Mana Wyrm is a Dragon, which is not true unless you're okay with calling all members of the Dragon family Dragons , which means you'd call Dragonkin, Proto Dragons, and other animals Dragons, too. Which you said you don't.
It's okay to just admit you're wrong, you know?
DerMonarch ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 11:27:22 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
are you studying at hogwarts?
fraccus ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 12:42:48 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds more like a winterhold student.
parker0215 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:58:14 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Oh god, I can't stop reading his comment in the voice of a high elf now.
octnoir ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:45:59 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
No need. Wizards get their degrees just by sitting at their computers. And keep doing that....for a while....
ICAA ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:49:14 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
http://hejibits.com/comics/2012-08-13-enchanted-executable.png
FireIre ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 12:37:58 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
2dank4me
Cabooseman ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:59:10 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Don't let your memes be dreams
Shikaku2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:33:10 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
MAKE YOUR MEMES COME TRUE! https://youtu.be/xuooumOYpNg
Crazhr ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 13:51:58 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Since it seems alot of people dont get the refrence.
https://np.reddit.com/r/AdviceAnimals/comments/2byyca/reddit_helps_me_focus_on_the_important_things/cjb2z41
Some added reading https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unidan
Mezmorizor ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:27:44 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I love how he doesn't even acknowledge that the American Crow and the Western Jackdaw are in the same genus. High quality clarification there.
jaypenn3 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 14:16:31 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This is bullshit - you're oversimplifying a complex situation to the point of no longer adding anything to the discussion.
leigonlord ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:47:37 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
i think youve crossed into a different universe, in this one mana wyrms arent related to dragons at all. they were just named by idiots and the scientific name is Draconis Anguilla
KKlear ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 12:58:25 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Dragonkin and Proto-Dragons are already considered to be Dragons in Hearthstone. Furthermore, aspects have nothing to do with taxonomy, as all the original ones were also Proto-Dragons and Thrall, an Orc, has been an aspect at least for a little bit.
E10DIN ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 12:59:57 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Whoosh?
That's a reference to unidans crows/jackadaws rant.
KKlear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:05:09 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Haven't read that before. He's go a point, though.
E10DIN ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 13:08:29 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah the unidan rant it's based off of was a biologist talking about the differences between crows and jackadaws so I'd imagine it makes sense from a biological perspective.
KKlear ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:12:35 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I tend to go on rants about how "crow", "raven" and "rook" is usually translated between Czech and English. Not quite the same, but close enough.
zondabaka ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:26:54 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
So you are saying Thrall is a dragon?
KKlear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:39:59 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
No, I'm saying being a dragon isn't a prerequisite to being an aspect.
I kinda lost touch with Warcraft lore after Frozen Throne, to be honest, though.
Azuranski ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 11:32:09 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Where's your dragonology diploma? Because it sounds like you're spewing a whooole ton of bull - or, indeed, dragon - shit!
neswii ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:13:11 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Charles Weasley?
traumac4e ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:54:35 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like you should just stick to your wizard poker...
Alternateaccount2015 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 09:58:26 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Gameplay wise it would definitely be interesting.
The Mob in WoW itself is a beast, though: http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Mana_Wyrm_%28mob%29 -> "Race: Mana wyrm (Beast)"
And lore-wise they're incorporeal beings akin to water creatures of their area: http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Mana_wyrm -> "Mana wyrms are floating, serpentine creatures found in the blood elven lands and some Outland zones such as Netherstorm. They closely resemble the eels found in various bodies of water."
They seem to be only Wyrms in name. But then again, Nether Dragons are also more like dragon... specters... or something. Not that I'd call Blizzard inconsistent in their naming of things but... they are.
TK-Trenloe ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 11:04:26 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
No but see Nether dragons were dragon eggs turned into what they are now, So its just a different race of Dragon like Proto Drakes and so on.
Alternateaccount2015 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:12:31 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, yeah. Correct. I remember now. Some "dark energy" had "corrupted" them when Draenor blew up, right? There was a dragon (or several?) complaining about that in BC iirc... It's been a long while.
Drasha1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:23:48 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Dragons are not native to Draenor. Deathwing brought dragon eggs to Outlands to create nether drakes for some reason I can't recall.
Alternateaccount2015 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:26:17 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't the Orcs come with the Red Dragonflight from Draenor? Or did they just enslave them in Azeroth?
Drasha1 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 13:35:36 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The orcs enslaved the red dragon flight on Azeroth. Dragons are native to Azeroth and where created to protect the world.
Alternateaccount2015 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:45:08 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Right. It all comes back bit by bit. I was really into the lore a few years back but I haven't touched the game since mid-Cataclysm. I didn't even fight Deathwing. But just now I remembered the quest where you had this cutscene where Deathwing fought against Alexstraza in the Twilight Highlands... and then some other quests reaching way back to Redridge Mountains...
Welp. Maybe I'll get back into the lore again at some point.
Drasha1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:55:22 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
If you read Day of the Dragon it is about the orcs controlling the red dragon flight. I enjoyed the book when I read it a long time ago.
flameofanor2142 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:47:59 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It was a decent read. I think I had a little compilation of Warcraft books, there was that story, Medivh and Khadgar's origins, one shorter one about this Paladin meeting an Orc in the woods, and I believe Thrall's origin story was in there as well.
Merrena ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:34:26 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
They just enslaved them on Azeroth.
adilmaru ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:33:14 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
They enslaved Alexstraza.
Lockeid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:52:39 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Deathwing brought lots of black dragon eggs to Draenor before it became Outland, and it was taken care of by him and Sinestra through the Dragonmaw clan (in Shadowmoon valley). When Draenor shattered and became Outland it affected the eggs and that clutch became the Netherdrakes.
They weren't created to be netherdrakes, as Deathwing brought them to Draenor so they were safe from the threats in Azeroth, it's just that when Draenor shattered the energy for the Twisting Nether changed affected them to change.
parker0215 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:03:55 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, Nether drakes were created after Deathwing abandoned them. The destruction of Draenor and its subsequent transportation into the Twisting Nether made the hatchlings almost incorporeal, creating the nether drakes.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:14:39 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The Twisting Nether, it's what it does to stuff.
๐๏ธ GlenThen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:03:22 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yea I just Wowheaded it, you're right. One can dream.
Luksin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:03:21 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Frost Wyrms are dragons.
Suradner ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 12:37:29 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like a Black Bear/Koala Bear sort of situation.
Alternateaccount2015 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 10:37:57 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Hence why I said that Blizz isn't really consistent in naming their stuff.
They have Kodos which are actually Clefthoofs. That's the equivalent of calling a mammoth an elephant.
They also have Wyrms that look exactly like dragons, dragons that look like flying serpents, flying serpents that are actually called flying serpents and then they have Wyverns - which, in the real world lore are scaled, winged dragons - that are lions with wings and a scorpion tail... the real world equivalent of a manticore. It's a fantasy world and Blizzard has free reign over what name they give to things. It's not a basis for logic whatsoever :)
Azuranski ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 11:34:05 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Well I mean we do that in biology, too. A dragonfly is neither a fly nor a dragon.
MiUnixBirdIsFitMate ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:01:29 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
A whale in Dutch is literally called a "shore fish", like that might actually be the worst name ever for one of the few mammals that is aquatic.
Azuranski ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:15:52 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Polish word for a whale is translated to "A lot of fish", so I guess I can relate on the matter :P
Alternateaccount2015 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:56:00 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Hedgehog.
Zingshidu ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:56:30 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Never understood why they don't simply share the hedge.
KKlear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:59:54 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, taxonomy isn't really an exact science =P
leigonlord ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 11:44:25 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
the kodo clefthoof thing is only using the wrong art in hearthstone isnt it. not in wow
pcd0925 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:33:28 on August 21, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Its not blizard as a whole, its just that in HS they arent always what the picture is
TimeIsWaiting ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:24:16 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Frost Wyrms are undead dragons. Mana Wyrms are concentrated mana taken form. They're not even remotely similar.
The Romanian currency is called "lion". Should Romania therefore be classified as a big cat?
Luksin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:26:21 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It was a reply to this:
I was merely stating there are other things called 'Wyrms' that are dragons, not that they are similar.
BilgeXA ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 12:49:38 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'm glad you used the real world source Wikipedia for a fictional universe. Good job, OP. You sure showed Blizzard.
tyzyo ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 11:27:56 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
As if Mana Wyrm wasn't already too strong...
bladelock ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 12:49:21 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Mana Wyrms are beasts in Eversong Woods, the starting point of the Blood Elves in WoW http://www.wowhead.com/npc=15274/mana-wyrm
NeedHelpWithExcel ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:23:47 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You can't just pull definitions of made up things. That's not how any of this works.
SmaugTheGreat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:07:36 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
But it's fun.
abuttfarting ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 10:19:56 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
They're not dragons in WoW.
officeDrone87 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:38:40 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
No but they are Beasts and they don't have that tag either.
abuttfarting ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:43:42 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I don't really understand what you mean. Because they're beasts in wow, but don't have the beast tag in HS, they should be dragons in HS?
officeDrone87 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:46:58 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
No I'm saying they should be Beasts in HS.
Lockeid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:55:00 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
He means that since they're beasts in WoW if they were to have a tag it would be Beast but they don't even have it.
๐๏ธ GlenThen ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 09:41:30 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Would make Dragon mage a little better.
prodandimitrow ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 12:30:24 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
If they add a dragon tag they would have to nerf it somewhere else, its already one of the if not the strongest 1 drops in the game.
YourMomInThong ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:03:05 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
but that mana wyrm (common in blood elf starter zone in wow) is a beast.
http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Mana_Wyrm_(mob)
Timelordian ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:35:30 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure it's been said, but in WoW a Mana Wyrm is an arcane manifestation, not a physical creature.
Lo6ster ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 10:59:43 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Should Tirion be a pirate?
KKlear ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:00:45 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Duh!
SorteKanin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:50:02 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
They are actually not dragons, even though the are called Wyrms.
IAmInside ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:21:10 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
They are ethereal beings, and not actual wyrms.
FrothingAccountant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:02:29 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I think Mana Wyrms are little arcane elemental things that just happen to be shaped like tiny flying serpent dragony things.
WyldKat75 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:05:17 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I remember the WoW cinematic...
Aw, how cute. OMG, she KILLED it!
Sirrianne ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:50 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
Wyrms aren't Dragons in WoW for the same reason what's called "Wyverns" in WoW are actually Manticores (think Leokk).
Blizzard is not necessarily the best at staying true to already existing fantasy creations.
Mariuslol ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:32:14 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I remember Elder Land Wyrm, I got it in a booster when you could buy 3rd division!!
Yay
Tremulant887 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:16 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a big lore fan after years of WoW. I appreciate what we do get in terms of creature types and flavor text, but once again I have to remind everyone that this is not World of Warcraft.
Creature types vs balance decisions, etc. It is what they say it is.
Khengar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:27:41 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
He is a Wyrm
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:40:49 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I thought the point of the Mana Wyrm was that it was in the shape of a dragon (wyrm) but like...created out of mana or something arcane or magical bullshit nonsense, etc.
stygianz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:54:19 on August 21, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Are you trying to make a Dragon Mage, boi ?
Tensaipengin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:08:48 on August 21, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Hell no. It's already on top 5 best 1-drops.
Hiqo11 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:41:53 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, that would be a nice addition
Spyro5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:45:54 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
There is no need to make Mana Warm stronger, it already is one of the best 1 drops in the game (maybe the best?).
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:48:46 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Flame Imp
zwart27 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 11:49:05 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It dies to 2/1's
butwhereisqueenmukla ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:06:32 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Flame Wimp.
zillysusa433 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:02:06 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Zombie chow then
psymunn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:40:07 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Pre-nerf flame imp.
๐๏ธ GlenThen ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:48:58 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I know there is a lot of text they need to fix but I would like to see this one right away. I know Brian Kibler would like this, he's one of the only streamers I see play dragon mage and its fun to watch him
_Peavey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:14:57 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I think every dragon should be a Beast in addition.
Well, all dragons are technically beasts...
KKlear ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:01:17 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Orcs as well.
Is that racist?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:00:00 on August 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Here is what we Need, a new adventure themed on Dragons.
But now RLY Themed on Dragons, each class will get 2 Dragons, 1 common and 1 Rare.
Red dragonflight for Warriors: Why? well Warriors now have a 3/3 named on the Red Dragon Aspect, and all the lore around Orcs enslaving Red Dragons on the 2 war.
Bronze Dragonflight for Paladins: Because they match colors, and the 5/5 of BRM.
Blue Dragonflight for Pries...nope, obviously for Mages.
Black dragonflight for Rogues, both of them are cunning,like ambushes, and Rogues worked together with Wrathion to make him...well, the last of the black dragonflight.
Green Dragonflight for Druids, like Mages, it's kind of obvious.
Twilight Dragons for Priests: the theme of Twilight have a certain ring with Priests HOLY/SHADOW thing, and we already have a 2/1(2/3 Twilight Welp)
Netherwing Dragonflight for Warlocks, they have this very close relationship with the twisting NETHER.
Hunter's ...i don't know, It's kind of weird to give to a guy that uses beasts ,Dragons, and the remaining dragon flights are kind of "why?" infinity, plagued and undead , Hunter's could get dragons with beast sinergy...