๐๏ธ Dapper_Hedgehog ยท 268 points ยท Posted at 13:52:56 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)*
I'm not a particularly slow player myself (I only see the rope burn like once or twice per day), but just mashing my face on the keyboard isn't going to win me games.
Right before any play I MUST consider every other option and what results it will lead to, this easily determines whether I'm gonna win or lose.
I'm pretty sure I've never played against people who look like they just want to extend the game to bother me, and I assure you I've been playing for a long ass time. After analyzing their following play it always turns out that they did have something in mind and they were thinking of how to execute it.
BUT MAN.. LOOK AT THAT WARLOCK TAKING THE WHOLE TIME ON HIS TURN ONE
Did you consider that he might actually have three 1drops in his hand and a knife juggler and he's considering the different possible outcomes that he'll get from each play by turn 3?
OH MAN LOOK AT THAT ROGUE TAKING HER WHOLE TURN JUST TO DAGGER AND PASS
Did you consider that she might be 1 off lethal and she was continuously counting and double checking to make sure that she isn't going to miss it?
OH MAN LOOK AT THAT PRIEST TAKING HIS WHOLE TURN TO TRADE
Did you consider that he might actually be lagging due to a connection problem (this actually happened to me multiple times before) and there's a significant delay on every single action he takes? He's not enjoying the game any more than you are right now.
BUT WHAT ABOUT THE ONES WHO ACTUALLY DO IT ON PURPOSE BECAUSE REASONS
So far it seems to me that they're a ridiculously rare breed, the one time this happens, they're giving YOU even MORE time to think! use that gift against them. If you're not feeling competitive feel free to alt tab. It's only one game per god knows how long. I don't even remember the last time I suspected someone did this.
TL;DR: Always assume the best out of people, it makes you a better person in general, makes you less likely to get frustrated, and it'll help you read your opponent, leading to your victory.
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ICAA ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 18:41:02 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
I like how you put it. Zoo: deep thoughts about the possible outcomes of the next two turns. Miracle: deep thoughts about the possible lethal and a lot of math counting the damage potential. Priest: LAG
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 21:36:16 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
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TheAwesomeHNH ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 04:13:37 on July 9, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Nah he's probably just planning on not dying next turn because he didn't drop a minion for 6 turns.
Zenrot ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 09:08:39 on July 9, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
#justpriestthings
Hearthmus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:25:55 on July 9, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Could always take yours ;)
Wololo !
Mefistofeles1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:07:02 on July 9, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Its funny because it would make more sense if it were backwards.
[deleted] ยท 262 points ยท Posted at 14:14:28 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Have in mind you are talking to people that get easily offended when their opponent uses emotes. You are expecting way too much.
thedinnerdate ยท 60 points ยท Posted at 16:44:52 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Keep in mind you are talking to people who are offended when you use certain heroes and card combinations.
MY_LITTLE_ORIFICE ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 19:46:29 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)*
The reason is obvious. People on this subreddit are more often than not already gamers since a long time back. They carry heavy luggage of people they play against online.
It's PTSD from the other very popular games with extremely toxic communities.
Years of constantly being insulted and in turn constantly insulting can yield no other result than an extremely fragile confidence and a nihilistic bitterness towards other nameless online players. They fail to see that they are perpetuating the very same problem that they've hated so much.
Since the means of communicating with your adversary in this game is very limited, every emote or action is open to interpretation. But only this particular group of people tend to consistently interpret them in the most negative way possible.
[deleted] ยท 55 points ยท Posted at 20:24:56 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
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XINTERCEPT ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 23:58:54 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
this made my day.
BobSagetasaur ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:52:23 on July 9, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
GREETINGS, TRAVELER.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:48:33 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
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MY_LITTLE_ORIFICE ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:51:34 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
I couldn't come up with a term that describes it better than that. English isn't my first language. If you think it's disrespectful to people who suffer from the real condition, I am sorry.
clickstops ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:01:52 on July 9, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Apologize for playing that deck
Beardamus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:12:27 on July 9, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Buying packs is a very good skill toi have.
Narrative_Causality ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:25:13 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
God I HATE IT when people use cards against me!
[deleted] ยท 61 points ยท Posted at 15:53:41 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. Opponent uses well played "improperly" and everyone freaks the fuck out.
mystikraven ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 16:01:19 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Those people must be unaware of the "Right-click opponent portrait -> Squelch" option, I guess. If someone's being a smart-ass with emotes and I'm not in the mood, I simply don't put up with it.
Why people sit there and "take it" then come on reddit/forums to rant about it... I'll never know. Just fuckin' squelch the guy!
Adacore ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:22:52 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
I quite often try to emote too quickly and end up hitting the wrong thing, which probably seems like BM to the opponent and makes me feel pretty embarassed.
Accidentally forget to end turn so opponent is already wary of BM; go for "Sorry" but forget which side it's on and miss-click "Thanks"; hang head in shame.
stumpyoftheshire ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:35:51 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
If i get one taunt, I squelch. You can taunt all you want, it doesn't mean i want to see it.
duncanstibs ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:35:58 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Can you tell when you've been squelched? Sometimes I'd really like them to know they've been squelched!
masterchip27 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:43:44 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure they'd Squelch you back for the same purpose. It would devolve into a petty minigame.
dylan522p ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:55:36 on July 9, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Who cares if they squelch you back?
Isomodia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:40:55 on July 9, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
If it let you know you'd been squelched, spam-squelching an opponent that has squelched you would be similar to emote spam.
It doesn't, but I feel like that's what he was getting at.
dylan522p ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:46:44 on July 9, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
I mean if you squelch then they get the emote and when they squelch you back it shouldn't do anything to alert you because you already squelched. Once one does the other person doing it should not matter.
matchu ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:01:03 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
If they're paying attention, they'll see your mouse hover over their hero. That's about it.
Tegyukfel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:17:55 on July 9, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
You should be able to silence heroes. Would be so hilarious.
WillWorkForSugar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:26:26 on July 9, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Breaking news: no one uses Warlock anymore.
mystikraven ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:12 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Not that i know of. It's just for peace and quiet, really.
DPSisBad ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 18:06:44 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
If you're squelched I'm pretty sure the emotes go blank.
GreyFoxMe ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 17:11:04 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
You can't use emotes I believe.
Sleith ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:52:05 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
No, we need auto squelch, two clicks every game is just too much. And also turn off the "i must choose" emotes, oh and while were at it let them know I squelched them so I know for sure theyre not using emotes and I cant hear them.
/s
ertaisi ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:36:44 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Two clicks is an egregious violation of my rights!
BobSagetasaur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:53:14 on July 9, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
hahah i like it because then i can say greetings or thanks or oops to every gg or sorry they throw out. its funny
SadDragon00 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 18:19:46 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
There was a thread on the official forums the other day of someone raging at opponents that mouse over his portrait after making a play. Like in doing so was taunting him somehow. He classified it as rude and toxic.
Some people..
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:37:45 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Psychic BM
ishkabibbel2000 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:13:54 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
I like to believe that when I mouse over my opponent's hero power, and then their portrait that they'll somehow react to my jedi mind trick and use their hero power.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:01:59 on July 9, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, this is so true! I thought I would help them a little by thickening their skin up a bit, so I always end with a "Thanks", unless they have time to say "Well played" first. Then I just stay silent. (When I am winning of course)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:06:28 on July 9, 2014 ยท (Permalink)*
I was about to reply about how when I'm thinking about my next move the other guy greets me to try and hurry me along.
But now i'm not gonna.
[deleted] ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 17:11:25 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Relevant
http://imgur.com/a/uLB8x
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:17:31 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Hm. Well played.
Potatoesaremyfather ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:12:24 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Coming from LoL this baffles me.
"Lucker noob dog l2p real hero" gets less reaction out of the community than someone saying "Sorry" when they polymorph someones legendary.
scamp41 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:01:21 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Keep in mind that these are people who feel like they are owed certain things by Blizzard just because they like to play Blizzard games.
UniqueCoverings ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 16:59:39 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
I like the emotes.. Whats a game without a little trash talking?
Keskekun ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:15:26 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
I find it really annoying that there isn't an emote that exists just for me to be an asshole. Something that says "In your face you cheap piece of shit" would be nice. Obviously a bit more warcrafty. "In your gobhole you son of a motherless ogre"
DerSchaefer ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:43:55 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
I think that would just be the "Threaten" emote.
Keskekun ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 19:56:49 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
But they are not BM enough. We need more BM, since you can't 6 pool
DerSchaefer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:50:59 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Should probably just hallucinate a bunch of units and force the other person to concede.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:59 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
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Le_Fedora_Atheist ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:28:42 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
My thanks, to you
rogeris ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 16:45:31 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
You have my thanks.
Bukowskaii ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:24:07 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Something that happens to me a lot is I'll smack the end turn button and think it went through then get up to get a drink or something, only to come back and realize that the click didn't actually process. I feel bad every time.
onyxblack ยท 97 points ยท Posted at 14:59:07 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)*
my wife started playing hearthstone before I did... she'd be sitting on the couch on her ipad yelling at the people for being so slow, a week later and once I had a deck built we played a game vs each other - I would have my turn finished on the computer and my turn would be over, and it would be 20 sec delayed on her ipad.
I've come across this motto: If everyone you meet is an asshole, you're the asshole.
Likewise: If everyone you meet is lagging, you're the lagger
SpelignErrir ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 17:18:11 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
You take that back, I am not an alcoholic beverage!
HenrikVogelius ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 17:43:37 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
lager is the word you are thinking of
SpelignErrir ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 17:47:00 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
yeah he edited the post :(
HenrikVogelius ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:59:19 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Oh - I'm sorry
SpelignErrir ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 18:00:42 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
I am too. A perfectly good joke, ruined.
rival22x ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:27:20 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry that happened.
ArchdukeOfWalesland ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:13:14 on July 10, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
My apologies.
HenrikVogelius ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:12:37 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Witchhunt OP
onyxblack ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:09:21 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
lies! ... no pix no proof >.> ... <.<
Dropping_fruits ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:26:28 on July 9, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Ooops http://i.imgur.com/V7VBaIA.png
onyxblack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:57:14 on July 9, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Hax :P
GeneralWarts ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:53:26 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
I heard this variation recently: "If everywhere you go it smells like shit, maybe it's time to look under your own shoes."
8________8 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 17:03:34 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Poor people need to know this.
[deleted] ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 18:36:58 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)*
Agreed, as someone who's made it to legend and goes to the rope semi-often, when I see a rank 15 making a complaint thread about this, the only thing that comes to mind is "maybe you'd be higher ranked if you actually thought through your turns a little bit".
Also, for the people who actually are being assholes, squelch and alt-tab into reddit works great
labraphoto ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:43:29 on July 9, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Dual screens works even better! or just think through your next turn while they are thinking.
larkhills ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:55:56 on July 9, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
if you're legitimately taking the full time to think of your moves, i have absolutely no problem with you slow playing every single turn.
but if you're alt-tabbed on reddit, you're wasting time and being an asshole.
as an aside, if i see someone taking the entire time to make their move, i will do the exact same thing. every turn. no matter what.
IAMAlgamate ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 16:41:34 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
"TL;DR: Always assume the best out of people, it makes you a better person in general, makes you less likely to get frustrated, and it'll help you read your opponent, leading to your victory."
This. SO much this.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 10:45:05 on July 9, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Except in the real world, where you must always assume the worst of people.
IAMAlgamate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:41:52 on July 9, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
No, that's kind of the opposite of what you should do. Assuming positive intent leads to empathy and a better understanding of another person's perspective.
Next time you're mad at someone in real life, try assuming that they aren't out to kill you or ruin your life. It will make a difference.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:58:08 on July 9, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Atleast when you're driving, assume everyones an idiot and you won't be as prone to accidents caused by morons. But when you expect nothing from people you'll never be dissappointed
IAMAlgamate ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:38:09 on July 9, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
There's a difference between expectations and assuming that the actions that someone has already taken weren't taken with the purpose of screwing up your day.
Also, driving defensively is different than assuming that people who drive unsafely are actually driving unsafely, or if they are just driving in ways that bother you.
CreativeEgo ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 14:02:10 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Considering all of my options before making plays, even obvious ones, is my no. 1 Hearthstone rule.
Also, it's the rule I ignore the most. And usually the rule that I swear to remember forever after losing a game because I've broken it.
xUsuSx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:48:59 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
I understand taking time on important turns and in the examples provided then yes that's fair. It's the people that go to the rope every turn, it's literally impossible they have that many decisions and that many close to equal in goodness plays that must be evaluated. I think it's possible for most turns to think out possible plays before the rope burns down.
SlyKook ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:49:53 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
The amount of times I've had 2 mana left turn 6 agaisnt a mage and decide I may aswell dump Scrubs down. Flamestrike sends their regards.
This is after thinking out very specifically the rest of my turn.
[deleted] ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 14:04:01 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:13:23 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)*
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๐๏ธ Dapper_Hedgehog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:23 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)*
I should rephrase my sentence since I got it wrong like 7 times in a row, meant to say that 20% losses are by RNG and 80% are not. Gonna take a nap to recharge some brain power, thanks for pointing it out though.
sea-jewel ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 17:38:42 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
I was watching some streamer who I guess had made a fresh account so he was Rank 22 fighting another Rank 20+ player and bitching about how long the other guy took to play cards. "Oh, was that so hard? SERIOUSLY, was that so hard?" I turned off the stream (I typically do once streamers start their salty routine, which many do..) and switched to someone else. Does this guy realize that someone who is Rank 22 at this point probably is a newer player since if you play a reasonable amount of constructed you would start at least around Rank 20 after the reset? And as a newer player, do you remember how you kinda had to like read each card to figure out what it does? I mean.. seriously, get over yourself.
Yes, it's annoying if I meet someone who is purposefully BM-ing delays. It happens so infrequently. Sometimes I meet someone who takes a long time to take turns. Sometimes I take a long time to take turns because I am trying out everything in my mind. It's okay by me. I often regret rushing into a play much more often than I do taking a step back to think about the consequences.
timelyparadox ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:11:05 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
This, i started game 2 days ago, im at rank 20 and sometimes i do take a lot of time to do a turn, especial sometimes if something i don't know is played.
sea-jewel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:48:48 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Well, don't let it get to you if anyone chews you out about long turns or if you see people ranting here. There are always going to be people mad about how slow other players are. There's a reasonable turn timer and it's not as simple of a game as one might think--when you're new or even once you're more experienced. Once I coached my friend on skype through his first Arena. We took forever to do turns because I'd ask him what he would do, then explain what I would do. I'm sure some of our opponents were angry. But I honestly don't care. It was a great experience and friend went 4 or 5 wins (with 2 losses, so arena wasn't over) before I called it quits for the day, and that was his first arena and I "let" him do some plays I wouldn't have (generally, he just made his decision after I explained what I would do, I'm joking about "letting" him do anything)! It was fun all around and I think he learned some stuff.
PesterThePatient ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 14:03:21 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)*
Indeed. I'm a pretty deep thinker/slow player myself. And I just recently watched the videos from Hyped when he played in the Soulfire Masters tournament. He's considering everything. Takes his whole turn just to decide whether to play a turn 1 Leper Gnome or coin Defias. And then you realize...man there's actually a LOT of things to consider here. And well, he won the tournament.
๐๏ธ Dapper_Hedgehog ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:06:30 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Indeed, as a matter of fact most of the successful high rank streamers are rather slow players.
Considering the possibilities is what separates good players from the best players.
Ostilicious ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:48:12 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Trump almost always reach the rope, on Very rare occasions he even misses an action due to times up.
VTHK ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 14:22:39 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
And then we got Hafu.
Tafts_Bathtub ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 16:23:20 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure why you're being downvoted. Hafu is a successful high ranked streamer who plays really fast most of the time.
S1xE ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 18:40:51 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
I think a lot of people just thought it was meant rude, but I think it really wasn't, so you are most probably right. :P
Selthor ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 20:29:33 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
It sounds like he is implying Hafu is bad. Which he might actually be doing.
nhal ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:40:00 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
He is only implying (as far as language goes) that Hafu is fast AND a successful high ranked streamer. His sentence doesn't have any implication on Hafu''s play level.
VTHK ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:58:54 on July 9, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
I just want to add that I really like Hafu and would never say anything bad about her, I'm really sorry to upset some of you, that was not my intention. I just meant that you can play fast and be really good.
Kibblebitz ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 18:46:11 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)*
And most of the slow players that I go up against aren't pulling out MLG plays (on top of not explaining what their doing to hundreds of people/reading a chat). It's nice to think every slow player is running complex scenarios in their head, but the truth is that many of them are just idiots trying to overcome their disability. Unfortunately no amount of thinking will allow them to do so.
There's a huge difference between using a complex deck with a LOT of options currently in your hand and a Zoolock on turn six with 2 cards in their hand. One of these scenarios is reasonable for someone to take some time pondering while the other is being an inconsiderate dipshit and an idiot.
Look, I know some people want to think of themselves as a deep thinker, but the truth is that maybe, just maybe, said person is just an idiot. If all ungodly slow players were also great players in Hearthstone like a lot of the post in this thread want you to believe, then I'm literally the best Hearthstone player just from my win percentages vs these players alone. There's nothing wrong with being stupid in a card game. If you're having fun then power to you. But don't try to make it out as something it's not.
TheOneTheOnlyPinky ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:17:20 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Thinking things through is a great way to slowly improve your game and over come your "disability" (not being able to make the correct plays).
The truth is that not thinking your turns out will make you conform to a lack luster style of play and probably lead to a "everyone is getting so lucky" mind set.
Kibblebitz ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:31:14 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
There are times where a lot of thinking is required, and times where there are literally one or two options, with one being far superior than the other. Not every play needs you to pull out the air fingers to count what's going to happen like Trump does.
TheOneTheOnlyPinky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:20:00 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
That depends on multiple things. If you are strictly speaking about the first few turn, then yes I can see how you would come to that conclusion. But if you are speaking with regards to later in the game, one of those plays is probably correct and the other is probably wrong, or at the worst one is more correct. The thinking goes beyond what its blatantly obviously more value if the board state doesn't change on your opponents turn.
If you aren't considering what your opponent might do after you play a card, you might want to start thinking about your plays more.
I apologize if this comes across in a negative way, I'm only trying to prove my point.
Kibblebitz ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:48:32 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Look, I know what situations use or require thought and which don't. I'm not really sure why people keep thinking I'm implying "hurr just play a card that cost as much mana as you have." even though I keep emphasizing that's not what I mean. There are turns that are so black and white that it might as well be "Do I do this, true or false". Situations where you can't play around the idea of a removal spell because your options are literally play that minion that might get fucked or pass without playing anything on your empty board. These are scenarios that happen, sometimes quite a bit depending on the deck or arena. These are the scenarios where if you're taking up to the fuse to play your turn then you are being inconsiderate and wasting both your opponent's time as well as your own.
I'm going to stress that I'm not talking about turns where you have multiple options, where each option has its own pros and cons that have merit. Some plays are just no brainers, or at the very least, don't require two minutes to play out. It's very easy to tell the difference even if it is your opponent's hand and not your own.
TheOneTheOnlyPinky ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:14:35 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, are you trying to say that Hearthstone is MORE than 5% skill!? Pretty sure that guy won purely from luck.
Only kidding of course. I really wish more people would draw to this conclusion and the one the OP has. Because there will always be assholes in games, but assuming someone is just makes an ass out of "u" and "me".
Jackalopee ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:27:22 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
TL;DR: Always assume the best out of people
agree wholeheartedly, the opposite has only negative effects, there is absolutely no reason to intentionally make your own experience worse
there is actually no way to BM in hearthstone if the person who is supposed to be BMd is positive about what is happening apart from abusing bugs
MGlBlaze ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:35:11 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)*
The only time it ever bothers me is when someone makes a bunch of moves, brings me to low health, waits for a good ten seconds letting me think "Do I live? Did I win?" and then busting out a spell that does the final damage to kill me. All the other examples I am fine with. I might be annoyed if they do it frequently, but I sometimes take a while to consider my options as well. Everybody does. But to delay lethal after it looks like you have already made your turn's moves? No legitimate reason for that to happen, none. It is especially aggravating if I would have lethal next turn and I get hopeful that maybe I don't suck for once.
I would like to at least try and view the world in some kind of positive light every now and then thank you, I have enough problems going on in my head without someone fucking toying with me.
ClemsonPoker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:25:05 on July 9, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
I often am so deep into thinking about my play ahead of time that I don't "see" my draw initially. The above is sometimes the result. Sorry about that.
Nj_all_day ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:51:46 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
I think people take this game far to personally. Just relax, take a deep breath, and play the game. The amount of rage a damn card game induces is ridiculous.
Personally I have a dual monitor setup, so I can just reddit or pick a song while I wait.
I-Cut-Myself ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:34:34 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Don't care what the other persons reason is, its just annoying. But im not gonna cry over it or rage at the guy.
DaOrks ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:20:29 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Nope they're assholes.
cdank ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:49:02 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck this, get mad.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:38:26 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)*
Personally, I think my moves out if I can and my turns start to take longer at around 5 Mana. Until then mostly "drop any card you can play" with maybe one alternative play.
Sometimes my opponent will throw a "Well met" or something like that my way, so I know that my opponent thinks I'm taking to long, to which I apologize. It's just when I play my hunter deck and it's around 8 mana I usually have about 3-4 different ways to go forward, all of which have different consequences and possible counters. Thinking that through costs a bit of time.
On the other hand I've run into a miracale rouge once, that just spammed "I'll be your death" until the fuse was halfway through and then tried the miracle. Fuse ran out before the last attack could hit and I was one turn away from winning myself. :D
deathyz ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:59:54 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
From what I noticed it's mostly in the lower ranks where people care about the time the opponent takes, and I was the same way, it's just as you go up in rankings you try to think your moves more and just assume the oponent is doing the same thing (even something like a face hunter still has to think about what he's going to do if he wants to climb the ladder)
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:34:24 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Legit... I played next to my buddy for a few months and he was CONSTANTLY burning the rope and even scrambling to make a play then. Almost every game he'd take his entire turn at least twice, sometimes more. He just genuinely could not decide on a play, it's just not that easy for some people to gauge what is best.
Also agree with OP saying stop being so easily offended too, it's like the majority of reddit users especially in the past year or two are seriously the most PC, thinnest skinned weenies on the planet. Toughen the fuck up cause there are far more offensive things in life than a guy spamming one of 6 emotes in a video game and taking a long time to play. How it so deeply affects your emotional well-being, I will never understand.
mioraka ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:14:39 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
I'm an extremely fast thinker who often tunnel vision my way into stupid losses. So playing it safe and slow is definitely not something to a shamed of.
Still, sometimes I'm just trying to finish a game and the opponent takes 10 times more time is quite frustrating..........
P0PSTART ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:30:08 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
I'm the same way :( Trying to break the habit.
DinkSW ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:37:13 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
I'm actually working on playing slower because I feel like I'll have more success. I tend to hammer out my turns really fast and a lot of times I'll end up smacking myself because I could have done a better play if I just thought about my turn more.
Now I force myself to slow down and really think about every possible combination of actions I can take each turn and I'm winning more games
FriENTS_F0r_Ev3r ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:17:14 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
I dont get offended by it but I get annoyed when people take their whole turn to think every time...that's my probably though so I'm not really pissed at my opponent.
The only thing that offends me in this game is when I say well played and concede when I know they have leathle and their response is "Thank you".
yo_goliath ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:06:51 on July 9, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
I must apologize that I constantly am doing something else while playing and totally space out sometimes until the fuse comes up.
That's my bad. I'm a bad person.
IncorrigibleOldQuare ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:29:31 on July 9, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
The thing with this game is that it is strategic to do your stuff and then wait for the rope to burn always.
If you end the turn you give away information about your hand, ending the turn after you did your play immediately implies you have nothing left to play.
Tuplex ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:18:02 on July 9, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Sometimes late at night I doze off during my opponents move, and then I suddenly wake up and it's my turn. Sorry.
thebaron420 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:45:34 on July 9, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
I tend to take longer turns when i have the coin or innervates in my hand as they can greatly increase the number of available plays to consider.
Pyrrhus272 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:26:55 on July 9, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
I wish Blizzard would introduce a Blitz mode, it would get rid of this entire argument in a moment and also make Hearthstone far less time-consuming. They probably won't make one though to stop people farming gold from arenas quicker unfortunately.
myrec1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:45:15 on July 9, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Or maybe it's Noxious playing blind folded. Look it up.
Cristib33 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:07:47 on July 9, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
i have about 1500 wins in ladder/casual and about 500 in arena so its safe to say iv played over 4000 matches...in my experience not to many ppl take long turns and only very very few ppl are BM me....i think many ppl just exagerate saiyng this happens often....
P.S. english is not my first langage
otimus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:27:19 on July 21, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
I never think people are being slow to intentionally frustrate me, not usually anyways.
I just think people are slow because they're mentally retarded and must take seventy god damn years to make a choice in some random casual game. That, or they're probably only halfway paying attention or something. I dunno. Probably the former. I really, really, really, REALLY wish the default choice timer was 15 seconds.
ewyll ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:34:26 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
I sometimes go make a coffee between turns.
Itsaghast ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:15:37 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)*
Every turn? That's stupid. You may have to take some time to plan things out, but you should have a plan for all of your cards based upon your draw and a couple of likely plays your opponent will make. You don't need to build your strategy from the ground up with each turn.
I want a better mechanic to punish people for this. Though it'd just probably just reward aggro and make control and midrange harder to pilot.
You probably like to think that you're Lex Luthor calculating nn iterations of possible game state by going to time each of your turns, but it's more likely that you're just bad at threading multiple strategies together.
P.S: Suck it haters
opposing_critter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:51 on August 2, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
I agree it's not fucking hard to look at your hand and know your options plus it's not exactly hard to tell within the first few turns what deck they are playing.
ghukas ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:26:32 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, some slow players are intentionally slow playing you.
Source: I slow play people who BM. But hey, you guys don't want auto-squelch.
Vergilkilla ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:19:08 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
I'm gonna dissent on this one. The average speed of play is grotesquely slow, and I'm really not sure why. This is especially annoying in ranked.
It's not the late game turns or anything like that that gets complained about. It's playing against druid and you drop something to obviously be wrath'd, and the opponent taking nearly to the rope to make that call. I'll see the cards they are playing, I'll know their list, and I will KNOW there is no other play. Not think: KNOW.
So why does it take sooo soooo long?
It's you sitting there at 10 health and the miracle rogue waits so so so long to triple leeroy with no taunts... it's like... did you forget how much damage it does? Surely you have played the deck before? Or is every MR I face a first-timer lol?
Hell, I'll go as far as to say that if you keep on playing the game when you have 100% lost, that's a sort of waste of time and just as annoying as taking forever to make basic, dead obvious plays. I'm at 20 health, have lethal next turn, and aggro hunter is topdecking. Like...what the hell are you going to topdeck for 20 damage? Just concede, there is no reason to play that turn.
You might say "Oh it's one turn dude, who cares?" "Oh he's just DOUBLE CHECKING that leeroy does 18 when attacking face three times!"
Yeah, but it adds up. If you are grinding to higher rank you could be playing a shitton more games if this kind of behavior was discouraged.
SWEET_SALTY_TEARS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:04:54 on July 9, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Oh boy do I love the beginning of new seasons. Everybody is playing generic rush decks to grind back down to lower ranks asap, and then there is me. Playing Mage. With all the stall available. Not doing anything wrong, playing by the rules, making my plays at the last second.
And afterr they have ran out of cards and minions to play and they realize they can't win. When they realize they should really have conceded half an hour earlier, my victory is total.
ThudnerChunky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:25:23 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
I've suffered from server lag so much that I usually assume the other guy has the same problem, but sometimes it's obvious the guy is just slow.
tiberiusbrazil ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:33:26 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
add a 'chess clock' , 10 minutes to each player
your times up? you lose
Infectious_Cockroach ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:27:46 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
I think that would be a fun mode. "Speed play."
Orangebeardo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:44:47 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
100 times this. I'm getting more annoyed by people complaining about it than people actually taking turn that take too long.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:03:40 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
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opposing_critter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:38 on August 2, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Yes please
error_98 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:32:52 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
the most annoying thing I find is that of the slow players the majority plays aggro.
i mean, WHAT IS THE POINT?? YOURE DECK IS FAST! THE ENTIRE POINT OF YOUR PLAYSTYLE IS BEING FAST!!! SO WHY THE [swears] ARE YOU SO [swears] SLOW?!?!???!!!
kouriichi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:18:42 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
On an additional Priest Note, we dont try to Mind Game Ragnaros, Cairne or Ysera on turn 3. And many of us feel absolutely terrible when it happens. So dont hate us for RNG landing a good draw. Hate yourself, for playing warrior and having a deck thats 80% legendaries.
ClemsonPoker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:21:05 on July 9, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't that why you play Mind Games? If you're not going for the dream then you should drop the card, IMO, because it's mediocre over time.
kouriichi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:27:52 on July 9, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno. If you're second, it can be a turn 3 drop. And more often than not it will 3 mana 3/2 or better. Most people dont run enough bad low quality cards for it to pull something bad. At worst, you're often just paying 2 extra mana to fit a 3rd of a certain card into your deck.
Like i run 2 Loot Hoarders. If Mind Games pulls a Loot Hoarder, id still be happy with it, because card draw is important at all stages of the game, and it gets something on the board when it might be empty. The Class i think Mind Games is specifically bad against is Zoo, but even then you could get a flame imp or succubus without paying the Battlecry.
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CreativeEgo ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 14:16:48 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Squelch, breathe deep, switch to the browser and watch some Twitch stream, watch a movie, pick up a hobby etc. This is what I do.
They're annoying, but the chances of 2 consecutive matches with troll are quite low, I think.
Tafts_Bathtub ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:33:34 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Does this really happen to you often enough to start a thread on reddit about? I have over 2000 wins in play mode (so probably about 3000 ranked games) and this has happened to me twice, maybe three times.
rogeris ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:49:09 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously, ive only had this happen once in casual mode. Everyone in ranked will give me a snide squelch when they do something awesome but other than that, no slow rolls, no taking forever on turns, no emote spamming.
Im not sure who everyone else is playing but I'm pretty sure everyone is exaggerating.
Bigchuck664 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:49:48 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
It seems likely you are just lucky. I've only racked up 4-500 play mode wins since they started tracking it. (I played a lot more arena until recently.) And I have seen the timer troll dozens of times.
edit: Curious if it matters, I have hovered ran 3-6 every season so far.
Tafts_Bathtub ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:00:34 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe I am just lucky. I'm usually not much higher than rank 3 - 6 myself.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:45 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
I maybe encounter one person like that every few days, and I play a fair bit.
Meoang ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:57:00 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
In nearly a year of playing Hearthstone, this has maybe happened to me twice. It doesn't help anyone when you exaggerate a problem.
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IAmRichHomieQuanAMA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:35:18 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Your premise is right on--if I see activity on your board, like targeting or hovering over cards or what, you're fine with me. But if it's a minute into your turn and I haven't seen anything, I'm spamming the "greetings" emote until your fuse runs out. I don't want to win a game just because you're away from your keyboard.
corpuscle634 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:49:59 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, I intentionally try not to touch my cards until I play them. I definitely notice when my opponent does that thing where they hover a card for five seconds and then play something else, and it often telegraphs what card they're holding.
randomechoes ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:52:24 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Same here. Some streamer or article advised this a while ago and I try to do it when I remember, which is this: take your hand off your mouse until you are actually doing your move so that you don't telegraph your thoughts to your opponent.
fnordbert ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:25:01 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
I play on my iPad, where I have to tap a card to "hover" it. This means there is no "accidental" hovering through random or "automatic" mouse movement (many people just move the mouse cursor wherever they're focusing their attention). Also, hovering cards requires a more effort (not much, but I find it noticeable) compared to playing with a mouse. This, combined with the fact that I know most cards and don't see a reason to hover those, means that most times I'm just looking at the board while I plan my turn, but don't touch the screen until I know what I'm gonna do. There is also the added benefit of giving my opponent as few hints as possible about what I'm thinking about.
I know how infuriating it is to stare at a board where literally nothing happens for a minute (and I used to get pissed at people for doing that, too). But, try to think about whether there could be other, innocent reasons for that behavior โ e.g. if we played each other, you would basically misinterpret the effects of me playing on a touchscreen device as me trolling you. Neither of us should want that.
IAmRichHomieQuanAMA ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:32:24 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Ah damn, I've never played on an iPad so I didn't realize that. Definitely changed my mind on the matter.
Elo0 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:42:34 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Fantastic post. I strongly agree. Personally I don't care much about whether my opponent is BMing or thinking hard. It's hard to decide 100% anyway. In either case waiting is pretty much the only alternative, and most hearthstone players should be content with that after a while, I guess. Think about the mathup, your decks weaknesses and strengths, and think about what you'll do the next sunny day!
FUguru ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:03:09 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe this is a dick move but sometimes i get caught up in others things during a game. For example, I pre plan my move next turn then make myself a snack during my opponents turn and the start of mine. I don't want to trade minions on an empty stomach.
Defias_Swingleader ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:01:41 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds OK by me unless your snack requires 100k BTU oven or something, be safe
Leaf4Prez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:32 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)*
Thanks for the "TL;DR" I've never actually looked at games like that. I always have played games thinking everyone was worse than me, and in a lot of 1v1 games and shit that really worked.
I don't know if it was my attitude, but I always felt that the worse at the game I thought they were the better I would be. Recently, it hasn't been working as much as it used to...
It changes a lot on the way I think about things... not just video games.
Seriously though, thanks.
Edit: Btw, whats with the crazy amount of downvoting in this thread?
Branith ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:36 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Yea but when you take 60 seconds or more to figure out that Leeroy + Shadowstep + Shadowstep with 8 mana equals 18 damage and I'm sitting at 16 then you're doing it intentionally.
hydramarine ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:16:57 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Scenario: Zoo plays Voidwalker. I play a Knife Juggler. On his 3nd turn, he uses all of the turn time, then Coins + Sun Clerics it into 2/4 to kill my Juggler. On a scale out of ten, how right am I to threaten him and maximize BM?
Tree_Boar ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:12:12 on July 9, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
3nd?
GhostSynthus ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:14:30 on July 9, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
maybe he had other plays? that play was really good but doesnt mean he didnt have other options
It_Just_Got_Real ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:57:23 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
you're being overly optimistic, the fact is theres a lot of people who are going afk or alt tabbing during the game and just being lazy about it at the expense of your time. Someone taking 2 minutes on turn 1 does not mean they're carefully considering which 1 drop to use, its more likely they queued and went afk or alt tabbed to do something else then came back at some point during turn 1.
That isn't a good thing unless you're masochistic and somehow like your time being wasted. Also unless you're in a tournament you really dont need to be sitting there agonizing over a play in casual or low ranked, as the outcome isnt really that important.
Hot_Wheels_guy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:29:05 on July 9, 2014 ยท (Permalink)*
I agree, but I'll just add that it's not just AFKing or forgetful alt-tabbers, either. I mostly play "casual" games and it seems like every other person I play against BMs me by taking really long on each turn. Hear me out: tonight I played against a handlock (a handlock!) that took 1 minute for each of his turns. In casual mode. There's no excuse for that. He ended up playing a turn 4 Mountain Giant (followed by a turn 5 mountain giant) so why the hell would he "think" about each of his first 3 turns for 1 minute each? Contrary to most other comments here, the answer is BM.
People who say no one BMs by intentionally delaying play are living on a different planet. People do it ALL. THE. TIME. Like every day, most often when they know they've lost but hate how they lost. Play with a troll deck, like priest with mind control/mind games/mind vision/thought steal/shadow madness. People will start delaying their play nonstop as soon as you mind games their Ironbark or steal their rag with a wombo-combo like alchemist>shadow madness>brewmaster. If they had 4 or 5 cards in their hand OK I guess they're thinking about what to do but there's no excuse when they have no minions on board and 1 card in hand, they look at the card for a moment, then go AFK until the fuse runs out. The salt is real.
And like I said, this is in casual mode. In ranked play I don't care if someone delays when they've lost, cuz I still gain a star. In casual it's like "really? You're gonna sit there with 1 card in your hand and cry about my Earth Elementals with Ancestral Spirit instead of ending your turn or conceding? Alright, I guess we'll sit here til the rope burns down... "
And this doesn't even mention people who use ALL their mana and don't end their turn for another minute. I can't believe the top voted comments say this kind of BM doesn't happen...
ertaisi ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:57:30 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
It's funny you mention that no one should think for long at low ranks or casual play because it doesn't matter much. It's an awful egocentric opinion that assumes everyone's reasons for playing must either be the same as yours or be invalid.
It is for this that I'm not sorry I'm wasting your valuable gaming time. There's probably a person that is more important to me than you requiring my attention for 60 seconds, such as a child, wife, friend, or coworker. Or maybe I just had to take a piss or grab leftover pizza from the microwave. Or maybe I just noticed your name and I want to piss you off for being an intolerant jerk.
Hot_Wheels_guy ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:39:24 on July 9, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
"Egocentric"... Do you know what's really egocentric? Nevermind, I see you've already listed several egocentric habits:
People who queue up a game only to go afk as soon as it starts because they think their opponent's time is less valuable than their own are egocentric. It's rude. If you call someone on your cellphone wouldn't you think it was rude if- as soon as they answered their phone- you said "hold on I gotta go to the bathroom"? That's crazy rude. Don't do it IRL and don't do it on the internet. It's rude.
It_Just_Got_Real ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 19:04:51 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
its not egocentric its reality, if you're just playing casual games to do dailies or you're in rank 6-25 losing doesnt really matter as win streaks will still advance your rank over time. Delaying the game to agonize over plays when nothing is at stake is pointless.
Other than BM in response to BM, if you intentionally waste other peoples time so you can multi-task IRL you're a selfish little shit regardless of your reasons, and you should feel bad.
ByteSizedBits ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:14:27 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure why you play, but I play to win, whether it's casual, arena, rank 20 or rank 5.
It_Just_Got_Real ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 19:19:22 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
I play to win obviously but you should't sit there calculating future turns and debating plays in a casual game to the same degree you might when you're sitting at rank 1 or legendary. If you do, you're tryharding in the worst way and taking the casual side of the game (i.e. doing dailies or trying experimental decks) too seriously.
duckduckMOO ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:17:36 on July 14, 2014 ยท (Permalink)*
Win streaks are an arbitrary cut off point. they won't carry everyone as high as they want to go. There's people stuck at every rank (even 25).
A lot of people are much worse at the game than you. Going bluh bluh and crossing their eyes to fit into your image of that skill level is not going to make them any better.
They are allowed to try hard. They are allowed to take themselves seriously. That's how you get good. That's how you improve yourself and your skills. You don't have to respect their ability, but don't disrespect their effort.
ertaisi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:21:01 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
I'll use your logic. You shouldn't take long to think until you're in the top 50 legend because it doesn't really matter until you're that close to top 16. As you can hopefully see, that's some arbitrary opinion, not a fact. Some people want to win every single game they can, regardless of rank.
Apparently you don't have kids, because you'd know that life is multitasking once they're on the scene. I'm not going to quit gaming until they have moved out, sorry.
It_Just_Got_Real ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 19:28:45 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
No, as I said a casual game with no rank, or low ranked shouldnt be taken as seriously as ranked games post-win streaks i.e. 5 and above. losses only really start to matter when you can't quickly regain stars from win streaks.
Also sorry to break it to you but you're not a gamer, just so you know. Playing HS casually on your phone is not "gaming", you might as well be playing Candy Crush.
I see maybe thats why you take a casual side of a card game super serial, you're bitter that this is as close as you can get to hardcore gaming since you made the big mistake of having kids when you're still in your 20s and still a kid yourself.
ertaisi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:02:59 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
I'm ignoring your first paragraph since you ignored what I had to say on that point.
See, there's that ego-centrism popping up again. "No one's a gamer who's not as hardcore as me." Riiiight. If I haven't earned the right in your eyes to call myself a gamer after years of gaming on virtually every platform since the C64 (yeah, I'm certainly out of my 20's, son), I can't describe how much that doesn't hurt my feelings. Also, HS isn't on phones, just so you know. I'm surprised a gamer of your caliber didn't know that.
I don't take the game seriously, hence the reason that I am not against attending to my actual life during a match. What I take seriously is elitist assholes who try to boost their egos and hide their own issues by stepping on others after making up up reasons to justify why they are less than themselves.
It_Just_Got_Real ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 20:33:51 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
You didn't make a point, you erroneously suggested that by my logic no rankings matter even in mid-legendary, I clearly said it starts to matter when you can't benefit from win streaks anymore.
You were born in 84, you're still 29 or just barely turned 30. i'm a year older than you, son, and pre-date you in gaming and in life experience.
However because I didn't make the mistake of having kids young, i'm still enjoying the prime of my life, while you're cleaning up babyshit, going back to school at 30, unable to do the things you used to enjoy, trying to make up for lost time, bitter, and full of regret. Deal with it.
ertaisi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:52:08 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Ranking does not matter if your personal priorities place winning every game you play above rank. Win streaks ending makes each win matter more, but you're drawing an imaginary line and declaring that is where it begins to matter at all.
That's hilarious that you took the effort to stalk my comment history. I must have really hit a sore spot.
It was no mistake having kids in my late 20's. The fact that you consider that young is kinda weird, but I guess I shouldn't be surprised that someone as apparently self-centered as yourself wants to put off being responsible for someone other than yourself for as long as possible. I still do all the things I used to enjoy, albeit while making compromises. No lost time, bitterness, or regrets. I've made quite good use of my time, while you've apparently wasted the last 10+ years in front of a monitor being a hardcore gamer while knocking people for living life. I pity you.
It_Just_Got_Real ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 21:03:28 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)*
When I criticize people I do it accurately, because then when I say something, you can downplay it but you know it's true and in your case does hit a sore spot. It's called doing your homework, a concept you must be familiar with being that you're still in school at 30.
Now if you feel old, you're living life wrong. You must not lift or get much physical activity so your body is starting to break down already, meanwhile i'm in better shape than I was 10 years ago and feel great, no screaming kid keeping me up at night. Whats irresponsible is having kids when you don't even have your own life in order, your kid needs a real father, not a college student having a mid life crisis at 30, struggling to find time to do things and deferring responsibilities to your girlfriend.
Thanks for confirming you're not a real gamer though with that statement about wasting time, you sound like someone's grandpa who doesn't understand why younger people do the things they do. 30 going on 65.
ertaisi ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:25:10 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)*
When did I say I feel old? Oh, that was just a way for you to segue into pumping your ego by telling me that you're in great shape, I see. Yeah, I have a few friends in my circle of nerds who have taken up lifting to try to salvage their self-esteem. It tends to make them obnoxious, but hey, whatever works. Next thing you know, you're going to proudly out yourself as a TRPer.
My head is straight, more or less, and my life is as ordered as I would like. It's certainly in a state where I'm quite capable of raising a child. You're moving into dangerous territory that would risk a physical confrontation if you were to make such baseless accusations to me face-to-face.
When saying that 10+ years was wasted, I'm not talking down to you. It's simply my opinion that if you've not done any of the things that you're giving me grief for, you've probably wasted a lot of time. That opinion expressed does not place me above you, which is what talking down is. Let's not forget that you're the one who is actually talking down to me, by attempting to place yourself above me when declaring that I'm not a gamer. How about we compromise? We can call you a l33t gamer, and I'm just a casual gamer. Then your ego is intact, and the fact that one of my hobbies is playing video games is duly represented. Of course, maybe we should just have the International Gamer Licensing Commission arbitrate for us instead.
ertaisi ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:55:36 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Saw your edit, so one more reply on it before I'm done feeding you. You're reaching so hard by trying to use your "research" against me to find a button to push. It's pathetic and I'm losing interest when this is the best you can do.
I'm not still in school. I'm in school again. I already have a degree and left my career to pursue a different one. My kid sleeps through the night quite well. You've no basis to declare I'm having a crisis, and I'm not. Deferring responsibilities to my "girlfriend"? I kinda wonder which comment you're pulling out of context for this one, but I kinda don't care either. We share responsibilities in a healthy way, and I don't defer anything to her in a negative manner. I sound more like my parents did at 30 because, you know, they were adults. Advocating the same attitude towards gaming that you had when you were a kid as an alleged adult should give you pause. But it won't, I'm sure.
thefezhat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:18:57 on July 9, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
The levels of douchebag in this comment are off the charts.
str1cken ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:38:00 on July 9, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Check his post history. He's just an angry child.
LordSkeletor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:08:36 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
I ran into a thing on my macbook last night where after taking some action (hero power, play a minion, aim a minion to attack) the game would completely stall. Sometimes it would come back a few seconds later. Once it stalled the whole turn and I missed 2 free minion shots to the face. I tried on my PC after dealing with it for a few games and did a 6 win arena run without running into the issue.
I'm sure my opponents were mad for those unnecessarily long turns but I was just as frustrated.
Also I've been in the exact Zoolock situation you describe. Didn't take the whole turn time but I did spend a moment considering potential outcomes based on the opponents likely 1-2 drops and what they might do with the coin.
dubesor86 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:26:15 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
I'm nearing 4k wins so probably have played around 6k games and the amount of times someone intentionally bm'ed me by threatening/trolling while waiting for the rope was maybe 10 times total - if that. Over the course of 1 year.
Brrryyycccee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:07:51 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
I use the opportunity to think about what they might play and how I might react to that or what my next couple of plays may be.
Thugorran ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:10:22 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Another thing to take into consideration that seems to have been overlooked a little bit is when the player is playing on an iPad as well.
I play on both my PC and my iPad Mini and even with the iPad on a known good network or 4G it is noticeably slower compared to the PC version. The app itself is slower, not the connection. I'm not sure if the same thing applies to more powerful iPad models but if it is the same expect more players to "take their time" when Hearthstone expands to Android as well.
YayImaLlamaagainwait ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:17:36 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
I can only speak for myself, but I constantly look at imgur and reddit in-between turns.
sizzlefriz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:25:50 on July 9, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Burn the witch!
CommieOfLove ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:29:29 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
I like that in the Priest example he doesn't actually have a play, it's just lag.
RevolveDUDE ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:05:04 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
I can definently understand and respect that it takes time to make some decisions, Trump is an excellent example of this. But it's not cool when you're spending half of your turn watching a Youtube video, and in that case I'll gladly remind my opponent that hey, it's your turn, if it happens on turn one, for example. I often do other things myself when I'm playing HS, and there are times when I don't hear that it's my turn until the time starts ticking out.
Chessland ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:09:07 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not bothered that much by people who play slowly, usually. When my opponent plays too slowly to my taste, I just do other things in the meantime, like browsing reddit or paying more attention to a stream.
brugi82 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:11:59 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know what is going on, but this game hates wireless. Since I started to play on my Microsoft Surface almost every game is very laggy. Playing on my PC - no problem at all...
meangelman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:18:03 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
I played a ranked 17 match as a druid class against a rogue class. I forgot the turn number, but he ended up rage quitting. I couldn't see which was the better play, but what I chose came down to the rope burning. He had out a azure drake with no other minions. I use ironbeak owl and silence his drake. I then use mark of the wild on my owl. I follow up with a naturalize on the azure drake. The rogue had 9 cards in hand for some reason. He drew two cards. I didn't see the first but the second one which was discarded was his edwin vancleef. My turn ended, and well for the rest of the game it felt like he just got up and walked away from his computer.
Serpencio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:18:32 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
I just think about things while opponent have his turn, thinking about all possibilities and preparing my moves ahead for turns 1-4. Usually only hesitating while playing priest and wondering if I should surrender against that turn 1 Cairne Bloodhoof.
Geonjaha ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:31:31 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
I cant alt tab hearthstone for some reason. It always comes back to the front.
๐๏ธ Dapper_Hedgehog ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:02:32 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Play in window mode, that's what I do :p
ted92811 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:42:45 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
"OH MAN LOOK AT THAT ROGUE TAKING HER WHOLE TURN JUST TO DAGGER AND PASS Did you consider that she might be 1 off lethal and she was continuously counting and double checking to make sure that she isn't going to miss it?"
THIS!!! A thousand times This!! Playing aggro rogue I have to count everything and 95% of the times, when it's either I win now or just die, I like to count 3-4 times to make sure I don't screw up! :P
yinsanity ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:47:00 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
I always assume that people have an ace in their hands, despite how long they take to make a play, if they have cards. I feel this should be written in stone.
peenegobb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:54:35 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
This. I once took almost a whole turn to decide because I didn't want to trade all my creatures into the opponents ancient of war because I wanted lethal next turn. I didn't find a that then lethal, but I did find a way to clear their whole board with my hand, and a defender of argus. It made me feel good, because I know that play secured me the win.
Tenmar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:56:11 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I noticed playtime in this game has increased significantly. To which I'm sorta okay with and I get it.
HOWEVER.
If you are sitting on an empty hand and taking that full turn, that fucker is trying to frustrate you and they deserve the back of my hand for being a jerk.
rebelbranch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:10:52 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Or someone is playing on an iPad which has worse lag because of less powerful Wifi or is playing on LTE.
jocloud31 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:31:58 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
TL;DR is the best.
redjarman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:55:45 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Yesterday my grandpa kept calling me to help him with MS Word, but he always managed to call right as my turn started. "My Apologies" was used a lot
sinapzwork ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:01:24 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
THIS is why I play Mario Kart 8 in between turns. Waiting for my opponent to react is a huge waste of time.
OriginalCleverName ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:13:19 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
If I am playing against a mid range deck, I will take my time on purpose. Most people feel like if they rush their turn they will tell me I should hurry up. Then the 'oops' follow.
Mythic343 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:27:19 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Recently i also started taking longer on my turns, before i would just make the obvious play, but now that i think about it i definitely win more games.
And i only made this comment to mention that Forsen played vs Lifecoach today and said "Everyone get your popcorn and ResidentSleepers..because lifecoach
TheDarkMaster13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:29:12 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
I mostly get annoyed at my opponents when they play their whole turn, and then don't end it. They've got no mana left, they've attacked with every minion they have, they aren't going to have 0 cost cards, just end your turn already.
kometenmelodie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:36:29 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
I generally don't take a long time to think about my turns, but my internet connection is kind of shaky so I often find myself disconnecting for 20-30 seconds at a time. (My internet doesn't go out for that long, but for some reason it takes the game a little while to catch up.)
I always get afraid that my opponents think I'm slow rolling them on purpose, so I engage in a pre-emptive squelch.
MC650 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:52:47 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Guys I just have a shitty connection sometimes. Sorry.
SlyKook ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:00:11 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
I find the only time I start to get frustrated with long turns is when I'm on a losing streak. Which of course only make me play worse and lose more due to stupid irrational plays.
Its like losing while gambling, then deciding the best way to regain is by betting even more money even quicker, resulting in more loss.
Adacore ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:17:31 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
The number of intentional stallers I get is probably something around 0.5% of my games. I don't mind it at all, I often have a video on the other screen, so if I don't have much to think about I can just watch that while the rope merrily burns away, and if I'm in a complicated spot then I can spend their turn planning mine. Also when I win it feels much more satisfying to imagine how much they're raging impotently at their monitor (I have to assume that anyone who does this must get really pissed whenever they lose).
lane4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:59:06 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
That "TL;DR" is nice. People should read it even if they DID read the rest of the post.
Typetoupe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:04:10 on July 9, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
I played a hunter last night. First turn he waits till the rope burns out, does nothing with 1 mana. Whatever, I think, he is afk this will go quick. Turn 2 he hits his hero power then waits for the rope to burn out. The rest of the match he would make his moves within 15-30 seconds then sit there with no mana left till the rope burned down.
His plays were terrible; I handily beat him though the game probably took ten times longer than it should have. It was the most frustrating thing to happen to me in hearthstone. I wish I could somehow transcend time and space to make him realize how shitty it is to do that.
DrColonial ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:05:55 on July 9, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with OP, in every sense. Generally my plays are quick enough, or in my mind, quick enough after I've thought about what's likely going to happen the next few turns. If for some reason my opponent starts throwing out emotes, I take even longer. This isn't out of spite, this is literally because they've broken my train of thought.
Don't like waiting for an opponent's turn in a strategy TCG style situation? You're going to have a bad time.
Eyecelance ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:44:21 on July 9, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
So when a priest is slowrolling me on T2 before hitting my face with his Northshire Cleric I have to assume connectivity issues. Aight
arcainic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:11:04 on July 9, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
I only get mad when they're slow during their first 3 turns, when the choices should be obvious.
fibericon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:42:40 on July 9, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
This post was made for the sole purpose of fucking with the guy who made the rant about how frustrating it is to play against slow players. You're pretty much proving BM by doing that. Irony, ho!
larkhills ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:50:44 on July 9, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
if ur slow playing turn 8 with a full hand, i dont mind that one bit. theres a lot to consider there. but if ur slow playing turn 25 with no hand and 1 minion in the board, i question your sanity.
i normally dont mind slow play. but give me the option to play a speed round as well. if you want to take your time, thats up to you. but much like chess, i prefer speed rounds and think they are a lot more fun.
Haljegh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:57:56 on July 9, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
In 1000 wins, the "intentionally trolling slow guy" has happened to me less than 10 times, some of which may have been connection problems.
mmhrar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:08:38 on July 9, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
I would like more game modes, one of them being 10 second turn mode.
I know you're thinking, but some people enjoy fast reactive games.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:09:03 on July 9, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
I think a lot of the time people are tabbed out when their turn starts.
One "Hello" from my Jaina and I see them start to hover over their cards again.
It may be annoying but the "Greetings" emote actually seems to remind my opponent that they're in a Hearthstone game quite often.
awake283 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:19:28 on July 9, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
THIS THREAD OFFENDS ME
psiphre ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:58:09 on July 9, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
i'm currently in a game with a priest who is at 6 health. he has one card in his hand, which is the "double target minion's health". i've been waiting for him to cast it - it's been hovering in the middle of the playing field - for ten minutes. i've counted, by the songs that have played on winamp. i haven't gotten disconnected. what's the timeout? what the fuck is he doing to make this take so long and not trigger the fuse?
CaptainBenza ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:06:57 on July 9, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody BMs me, so I never feel the need to time out before I concede. The power of squelch
Bowbreaker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:51:04 on July 9, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
I am often in the same position. It still isn't that hard to think of the far less than 10 viable plays over the next 3 turns. And much of them depend on what the enemy will play anyway.
Some people are trying to grind here. Not everyone wants to spend 15 minutes in a game. I assume you haven't played physical board games a lot? Waiting for the other to think and think is never fun when you could plan out your next 3 turns in that time, if only you were able t finally draw and know how to continue. Thinking on limited knowledge can only go so far.
Slade_Wilson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:37:10 on July 9, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
I now play mostly on iPad, the upside is I can play on my couch. The other upside is my wife is beside me or nearby. As she tends to talk to me, watch bad tv, and brings me tasty beverages she often interrupts my turn and my train of thought, with the end result of most of my turns take the full time.
I've also got fed up with myself taking silly loses caused by my own errors so I will take the full time, especially on the first three or four turns. I've found that planning ahead in the early game helps me win more due to a more effective later game.
It's 90 seconds a turn, live with it.
Sazdek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:46:02 on July 9, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
I don't care much if a person takes til the rope burns to make plays, but if you're sitting with 1-2 cards in hand the entire time and little or no minions on the board, I have to question if you're actually thinking of plays or just trying to slow roll into a concede. Furthermore there are people who do this while making emotes the whole time, so they're clearly not disconnected or thinking of a play. For that reason I tend to squelch everybody from the start. If I want to deal with condescending fuckwits I'll go back to playing magic.
Dremu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:44:54 on July 9, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
I lag occasionally causing every thing I try to do to take atleast 10 seconds for the action to be made. I'd had to concede ranked matches cause of it...doesn't occur every game though only 1 every like 5-6 matches.
sizzlefriz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:23:18 on July 9, 2014 ยท (Permalink)*
Sure, some people occasionally need to weigh options until the rope, but they are not the majority of slow players. I assume the best of my opponent from the get go, which is exactly why I get frustrated when they slow play so casually (and I only really care about this if I'm playing in ranked).
Some people are trying to grind ranks and are giving their full attention to the game. Some people only have limited time to play it each day or at certain times (cig breaks at work are a prime example). Some people have empathy, value their own time, and thus; value the time of others (opponents) they play against. Some people play on their iPad and can't alt tab without disconnecting from the HS app, so they can only play. Some people don't hit the play button if they know they have to go do some shit before playing. Some people are actually trying to play more than browse imgur.
Sometimes you gotta help mom bring in the groceries or do other real life stuff that is more important than your turn, I get it. BUT, If you are slow because you are distracting yourself with alt tab bullshit during your turn, then guess what? You're bad mannered. Oh, but you wanna read the entire paragraph of text on that Alan Watts meme you think is so neat? Maybe share it on facebook before you take your turn? That's fine, because I have no problem waiting for you, provided that during your next turn you plan to go fuck yourself. Stop dicking around with alt tab crap and play the game.
TL;DR Accidentally being BM is still being BM. Stop browsing alt tabs and click end turn.
Imogynn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:04:23 on July 9, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Or it could be Applejacked.
rdldr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:13:37 on July 9, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
I was at the cottage for a week, on a 1-bar cell hotspot playing on my ipad. If I infuriated any of you while playing 'slowly' I apologize, but I was going as fast as I could!
Lkiss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:41:48 on July 9, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck idc what you say. If a mage waits his complete turn 1 to play a manawyrm and his complete turn 2 for a frostball on my 2/3 .. He does it on purpose. After turn 5 you have to think more. Before that you play what u can without losing the tempo or cardadvantage
SuicydKing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:07:20 on July 10, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Slow players are fine. I play slow sometimes, because I need to think. Playing too fast leads to mistakes or misclicks.
However, if someone goes full rope on me twice in a row, I give them a full rope right back. This says "hey, I know what you're on about, and I don't care. Now let's play the rest of this round like grown-ups.'. It usually works.
dust- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:16:10 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
i only start playing slow on purpose when they start doing bm emotes.
slurpme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:45:22 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
The bm finishes make me chuckle... Had a rogue that toyed with me for 3 turns before a OMG Leeroy + Cold Blood * 2 finish... Silly really, you could be half way through another game by then...
UniqueCoverings ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:58:30 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)*
I feel like some do it on purpose... I have had people that would run the time out on the first 3 turns alone and not play anything the first two rounds.
I have to admit.. I concede if this happens. My time is more valuable than winning that round.
I would have to disagree with the last.... Assuming the best in peiople makes a victim of you.
ENaught ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:06:07 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
As far as I'm aware this is a reasonably common issue; whenever I am reconnected to a game (my internet connection has been shaky lately), it won't let me make any actions until the rope starts burning.
Slyco ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:03:11 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
It's really easy to assume that someone is just being an asshole, especially in a competitive setting, but I try to not to assume anything and just enjoy myself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon's_razor
(Not that people are stupid/ignorant for planning out their turn, but the idea is the same)
autowikibot ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:03:19 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Hanlon's razor:
Interesting: Razor (philosophy) | DunningโKruger effect | Index of logic articles
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Kandiru ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:00 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Or, they've dashed off for a call of nature but left it as their turn so they would have enough time to get there and back before you ended your next turn!
Pufftreees ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:00:42 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Well met!
roflcptr7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:26:35 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
If I'm taking a while, I'm probably cooking dinner or doing the dishes. Sorry.
Alestorm ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 15:18:30 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
I encounter at least one person doing this daily. It's incredibly obvious when they do it.
This is absolutely horrible advice . I know it makes you sound and give the impression that you're this awesome positive person, but it's awful advice.
MommaDerp ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:13:21 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
I bet your road rage is horrendous! Do you get angry in long drive thru lines too?
If you're coming across this once a day or more, it's your attitude, not their actions, that are creating that scenario.
Alestorm ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:27:57 on July 9, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Nope.
Nope.
Nope.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:39:47 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
โฌ17,99 for buying the remaining 4 wings after the first one's free? That seems fair to me for a small expansion to a game, I'll pay up.
wasniahC ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:42:46 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Wrong thread bro
chrisinajar ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:52:23 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a slow player. I get to the fuse almost every single turn, unless I had planned it already 2-3 turns in advance, or something easy like a turn 2 Wild Growth.
I'm about a rank ~7-10 most seasons.
I'm sorry that you're in a rush, but I really don't feel bad at all.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 15:03:57 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
There is a reason why Starcraft is played on the highest speed setting. So it is more engaging. Hearthstone isn't engaging if I can do multiple sets of push ups between turns.
CreativeEgo ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:33:04 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, dat comparison...
Hearthstone is a thinking game, you don't need to outclick your opponent, just outsmart him. I can see how 90 second turns could be a lot to the TL;DR generation, but you have to realize this is not an action game.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:38:07 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Correct. Hearthstone is a puzzle game which can be easily compared to many others such as Chess. The problem is that it is a limited move set which means at any particular time there is a limited number of actions that can be preformed. Of those limited actions only a few of them (or one) is optimal. That can be calculated in under 20 seconds by most players; and executed in under 45 seconds. When you make more than 90% of your actions in under 45 seconds then waiting on someone for 90 seconds is basically double your turn time.
You could play two accounts at the same time. And it wouldn't even be that much harder due to the down time. If anything it would be more fun but sadly you can't trade cards.
CreativeEgo ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:45:45 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)*
"Most players" make a lot of mistakes. Some people like to win more. During tournaments, most professional players will take their whole turn to figure out the best course of action. And some go beyond that. I mean, have you seen StrifeCro play?
Also, it's not just about thinking what the optimal play for this turn is. You also have to plan future turns, to try and determine how the opponent will respond etc. Relevant.
Edit. Grammar.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:00 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Professional players take the full time because they aren't punished for doing so. That is the nature of being competitive with a large time limit.
corpuscle634 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:53:45 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Most players obviously can't calculate the optimal move in 20 (or even 90) seconds, that's absurd. If we could, there would be no difference between the pros and a rank 5, which is obviously not true.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:47 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Of course. What I am saying is that 90 seconds is far too much leeway. Imagine taking 90 seconds in a SF4, LoL, Dota 2, or any other game. All of these games break down into the same idea; in a particular position what is the most optimal move that improves my current and future situation. There is no reason that turns in Hearthstone should be 90 seconds instead of say 45 seconds with bonus time.
Jabari11 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:06:57 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
On the other hand, this game is extremely fast-paced to someone who is used to a clock of 40 moves in 2 hours (for chess).
Tiltedaxis11 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:00:57 on July 9, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
AS a legend who rarely goes to the rope except in very complicated situations, fuck you slow ass players.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:34:41 on July 9, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Only your mum agrees with that statement.
relics0 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 16:20:52 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
I always stall-bm lethal against any aggro deck; it especially tickles my jollies when it's was a close game. Throw down like a 2 mana hover over minions and hero powers, target something, cancel then BOOM!!! GG,FGT
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:29:22 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
If you get two games in a row vs lifecoach you will regret that you got to legend.
5eNintendan ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:49:54 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)*
Sometimes if I'm about to lose a game, but have Leeory + random other cards in hand that don't add up to lethal. I'll wait awhile, play Leeory emote well played and hope whoever I'm playing forfeits. I'm a special type of asshole, but it works.
MrGreggle ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:46:37 on July 9, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
When I do it it is to intentionally frustrate annoying beatdown and combo decks.
Deleted4Fun ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:01:13 on July 9, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry for everyone who has to play me now that i just picked up freezemage and miracle rogue
Scx007 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 16:34:36 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
I must confess that half the time im playing csgo and I just alt tab to do my turn so sometimes it takes me a long time to make a turn since round time is 1:45
wasniahC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:36:52 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
I have 3 monitors.. I play multiple at once. Sometimes I accidentally tab something infront of hs, forget, and sit there thinking "WTF IS THAT HISSING NOISE".
I'm sorry everyone :<. Some people you deserve to get frustrated with.
I'm also sorry about that time I had to deal with a delivery and forgot about the hs.
brkello ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 16:00:33 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, I take time to make decisions and think things out as well.
That being said, you most likely aren't a pro player and never will be. Some people just take a lot of time to make dumb decisions. I mean, when you are in ranks 25-5, we are all just trying to get out of there so we can start playing the real players.
I don't want to assume the best of the worst...I want to assume what is reality. That is that rarely someone is being a dick...the rest of the time the people are pretty dang dumb wasting both our time just to lose.
P0PSTART ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:23:53 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Because a player isn't good yet they shouldn't take time to try to make the best decision? Bullshit.
Suji_Rodah ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:04:13 on July 9, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry but no, it shouldn't take 2 seconds before you run out of time on your first turn. I'm dealing with this right now in my match. Like come on.
StopThisULameass ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 17:05:54 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't matter, they should be aware how annoying it is and find a balance between finding the perfect play and playing respectfully. Not every GAME, yes it is still just a GAME, at rank 10 will decide about your future as a HS pro player.
P0PSTART ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:20:48 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry but your answer to "find a balance" is ridiculous. You are basically saying "don't take the time to make the perfect play because I don't want to wait". Why should they give a shit about saving you time?
StopThisULameass ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:00:52 on July 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
My point is, don't wait AFTER you did your turn and think what COULD happen when this and that happens. End it, because after he did his turn you have to rethink everything anyways. I see strifeco doing that, doing his turn and waiting for ages for no fking reason.
raghavr ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 11:18:29 on July 9, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
No fuck slow players. Decision making comes after turn 5, only rogues are OK from turn 3