Because back in 1933 cartoons were shown in movie theaters and would play for several weeks. Once everyone had a TV, cartoons studios needed to put out more of them faster and cheaper. This meant streamlining the process which consequently meant some of the more complex techniques simply weren't possible.
[deleted] · 545 points · Posted at 21:52:25 on January 16, 2019 · (Permalink)
The raw talent of the animators back then was unbelievable. Doing animations of this quality given the technical limitations of not having any computers is crazy
The first three Mickey cartoons (Plane Crazy, The Galloping Gaucho and Steamboat Willie) were 100% the creation of one man: Ub Iwerks. He drew every single frame, including the inbetweens.
no1dead · 27 points · Posted at 02:37:44 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Which blows my mind because that must have taken literally fucking years for the entire movie to be finished by one guy.
The backstory of that is kind of interesting. Disney and Ub Iwerks worked together in Kansas City before going out to Hollywood to work on the Alice in Cartoonland shorts and later Oswald the Lucky Rabbit. When Charles Mintz kept giving Walt the runaround about renewing Oswald it was discovered that he was hiring Walt's animators out from under him. So Walt, his brother Roy and Ub devised a plan to start a new studio but they needed a character that they owned. So Ub created Mickey Mouse (a reworking of Oswald) and drew every frame (averaging 700 a day) and whenever someone came near his desk he would hastily slap a picture of Oswald over the picture of Mickey.
To be clear though the backgrounds in those clips are NOT drawings, they are 3 dimensional miniature sets photographed with individual animation cells placed in from of the camera using a device called a rotograph.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 09:26:19 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Most of the known laws of quantum physics and special relativity were worked out then too. Without computers. Today most people would be helpless without a calculator to do basic math for them. Nobody ever improved a skill by letting a machine do it for them.
That and all the medical breakthroughs with antibiotics, insulin, TB vaccine, Polio vaccine, smallpox erradication and many others. Not to mention invention of airplanes, cars, rockets, TV, movies, radios, and computers themselves all in the first half of the 20th century
It looks like a combination of the two. Old animations were painted on transparencies and stacked at different distances from a camera to create depth. It would be possible to incorporate models into that kind of set up.
[deleted] · 214 points · Posted at 22:29:25 on January 16, 2019 · (Permalink)
I can't include that sorry :-P As that is a miniature set that they lit and filmed, then overlayed his character walking through it.
Now if they had hand drawn that whole thing?! I would be going apeshit cause that would have been soo cool
[deleted] · 94 points · Posted at 22:31:57 on January 16, 2019 · (Permalink)
I was just pointing out how much effort they used to put into making things look cool, hand drawn, model, or hybrid. Animators back in the day were ARTISTS, and their canvas was all of reality.
On behalf of animators everywhere, just let me say that we are still artists, and we still put our heart and soul into our work. If you want to see awesome stuff, talk to the studio execs who have milked the animation and vfx industry for decades, cutting production budgets and artist pay, while pocketing the biggest box offices of all time.
Dude, artists are the only thing that has advanced. You all are at the peak of your game across all media. The real shame is watching the talent of you artists expand with the tech and the times, and get pegged to stagnant writing and lazy production that decided that a phoned in script for Garfield ought to be greenlit.
And redditors belittling artists for using computers. That always sticks in my throat. You wouldn't belittle a doctor for using the most advanced, modern technology to cure someone. Let the artist use the computer to make their art. If the artist really has no talent and just uses the machine to do it all like so many think, they're likely not going to go anywhere.
sudo999 · 6 points · Posted at 02:43:08 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
for real. you see a photomanipulation or something, where the artist took all their own photos and then shopped them together in a cool way, and people are just like "hHHH this takes 15 minutes in Photoshop" like yeah you dick muffin it would take 15 minutes if you already had all the photos and you were just going to exactly replicate the work of someone else but the whole creative part takes longer
zdakat · 2 points · Posted at 03:54:31 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
some of the studios that do computer work,also research it and such, so the next generation of graphics will be faster,cheaper,and better. so there's definitely math and science going into it,which is usually considered an intelligent work. and from what I've seen with the tools used for those sort of things, it's not as simple as many people would think. sure you can be lazy with it, and it's getting easier to do so, but it's pretty obvious when it is. making a full movie from start to finish must be a lot of work on everyone's part.
Thanks a lot! I am continually baffled by how incredibly talented everyone in this industry is, so I totally agree with you. And yeah, it's crazy to see really bad stories get greenlit, but there are also a lot of really awesome stories getting made. Into the Spiderverse just flat out blew me away, and I hope we keep making films that push the boundaries like Sony did on that film.
You should definitely expect to have a good time! Animation is an awesome field to work in! However, you do need to be very proactive and assertive in taking care of yourself, especially if you start in freelance / commercials like I did. Don't let companies over work you, and demand overtime pay and benefits.
I've had companies hire me on as a 1099 instead of a W2, which is super illegal. Companies placing "holds" on artists where you can't work for someone else while they make up their minds. Commercial houses will hire on a "day rate" instead of hourly, to get out of paying overtime, etc. There are lots of things employers will try to do to take advantage of you, and it's your job to be aware of it and stand up for yourself. For instance, you can build your overtime into your day rate by assuming 10 -12 hour day and charge according. If they try to hire you as a 1099 tell them you demand a W2. Or if they insist and you really want the job, increase your rate by 35% to cover the cost of payroll taxes.
I love working in animation, and I wouldn't do anything else. It can definitely be a great life, however, you need to take it seriously and protect your financial security.
PS. Things tend to be a lot better in the larger studios or in games where employment is more stable. The stuff I listed above is the worst case scenario, not something that happens all the time everywhere.
zdakat · 1 points · Posted at 03:56:24 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
how much leverage would someone who wants to get into it have? seems like it would be easy for the company to be indignant and hire someone else, and certainly someone wouldn't want to miss the opportunity to be able to do the job. (not that they shouldn't stand up for themselves, it just seems intimidating)
It definitely varies from case to case and depends a lot on the quality of your work and the needs of the company. That said, I think in most cases artists generally tend to underestimate their worth, rather than overestimate.
If you sit down and go over your expenses, savings and spending plans, and come up with a reasonable number, then go into the meeting being respectful, I don't think the person hiring would be indignant or get mad at you. There is always the possibility that they will turn you down sure, but better that then working for slave wages.
The other absolutely most important thing to do is to talk to other people in your field. See what they are earning. It is a bit of a taboo, but one we need to break. Keeping silent on wages only ever benefits the employer.
Am 3D game art and animation student- can vouch for it being very challenging, haha. There’s fun in it too, though!
zdakat · 2 points · Posted at 03:51:47 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
I do think that the people putting those together want it to be the best. I still have that ounce of faith in humanity. I suspect that it must be really disappointing to have to cut back the best stuff and then have viewers be disappointed, because the best work isn't available.
It can be for sure! But one of the things you learn is that you can't get too attached. Just make the things you do as best as you can and then let them go. I'm still struggling with that last part!
sir he was speaking purely to the technical aspect (the "complex techniques" for cartoons talked about in the second comment?). don't turn this into a terminology debate about whether a miniature set is a "true animation" because no one was talking about that.
[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 01:46:28 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
The Micky Mouse clip is also a physical set that is drawn over frame by frame (rotoscope.)
Yeah, gonna have to downvote this. That took talent and skill and remember, they were developing this technique. It seems quaint and a cheat now but was pretty awesome stuff back in the day.
Fleischer cartoons were fuckin' bananas. Check out the old Superman shorts they did as well. A lot of it is rotoscoped, but it's still impressive as hell.
EhAhKen · 3 points · Posted at 01:20:12 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
yes, the el cheapo shit-tooning started at same time as tv but it was in the theaters too... i remember mr magoo was especially minimalist.. and they were not disney iirc
but then everyone adopted “the style” even disney... but it was for the money not for the art.
zdakat · 2 points · Posted at 06:39:23 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
there's probably a way to make minimalist good. but if you're just straight up ripping it because it's easier than coming up with your own style, it's going to look forced and not as good(possibly poor integration for the same reason they chose to do that in the first place)
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 03:04:29 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Except for that particular background wouldn't it actually be the same amount of work if not more because the lady is mopping?
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 03:11:06 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
No, they already drew the frames once, they just have to reuse them, over and over. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that drawing a moving 3d perspective is probably harder than a 2d woman mopping :-P
Hanna-Barbera were the early pioneers of this, innovating lots of techniques that should be familiar to anyone who ever worked in Flash animation (draw in layers? Yeah, no duh) but were revolutionary in the 50's. That's why most of their major characters like Yogi Bear and Quick Draw McGraw always had something like a collar or tie or bandana to clearly delineate their heads from their separately drawn bodies. Go back and look at how much their bodies only assume a handful of static poses while the heads and faces do most of the acting. That was never the case before in made-for-movie shorts where every cel was wholly redrawn frame by frame (which was more fluid, but more time consuming and prohibitively expensive for a TV budget)
[deleted] · 16 points · Posted at 00:23:40 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Actually Hanna-Barbera took a lot from UPA animation studio who pioneered the "cartoon modern" style with limited animation.
I worked in Flash professionally from 2000 to about 2012 or so when it was pretty much into its death throes. And all through that time, including all the projects I personally worked on and was proud of, this was the one thing I remember as the pinnacle of all Flash work: Jake’s Booty Call.
Simply unrivaled. “Get me a Jack and Coke—and a bottle of Dom!”
zdakat · 1 points · Posted at 06:40:52 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
isn't vector animation still used sometimes? or do you mean like the actual product Adobe Flash? (some people seem to call it that even if it's a different software)
To add on to this comment. This is why lots of cartoon characters from the 60s through 80s have some form of collar (or some line around their neck, and their legs/pants. Every line that cuts completely through the body creates a new “layer” that needs to be drawn (even when it’s Fred Flintstone’s legs that stick out from under his triangular cut animal skin.
The torso isn’t redrawn when a characters mouth moves because you can just redraw the head without any color issues thanks to the fact that there’s a nice big collar separating the two. The torso and arms arent redrawn every time a character runs because you can just redraw the legs.
This creates the distinctive Hanna Barbara Run where legs are moving and torso/arms/head are all still (unless running and talking). Sometimes they do draw two discrete frames of the torso and arms like the Flintstones where the arms move forward and backward. But that’s still less work.
Anywhere they can cut corners to crank out shows in time.
If you notice, Tom and Jerry cartoons are pretty smooth. That’s because they started out as short films that had the ability to take as much time as possible.
Alderez · 100 points · Posted at 00:19:44 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
This isn't 3D, it's just drawn perspective. It's been understood for hundreds of years. 3D software that draws space between vertices in 3D space wouldn't start rearing its head until the late 60's, early 70's.
Thank you for pointing this out. Part of the problem is our terminology is innaccurate and clumsy. 3D animation has come to mean computer animation, but really we should use the terms CG animation and Traditional (or hand drawn) animation.
The ship has kinda sailed on that one though :/
Alderez · 25 points · Posted at 00:44:52 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
In the industry we use Digital 3D, Digital 2D, Traditional 3D (clay sculpting), and Traditional 2D.
CG is kind of a dirty word since it's such a catch-all that could mean anything between effects compositing, procedural animation, or literally anything that impacts the end-product where a computer was involved.
Hmm, I haven't heard those terms be used that way, at least in my area, but I do like them. I agree that CG can be vague too.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 03:32:33 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
It all falls under the magical veil of CC.
Wheffle · 7 points · Posted at 00:43:51 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
A computer just uses a bunch of math to project a 3D scene onto a 2D surface, so in a way it's kind of doing the same thing people do when they draw a perspective manually (especially if they carefully measure).
You gotta check out the real Thief and the Cobbler by Richard Williams: Recobbled Edition. Not the garbage Disney put out in the 90s. Read the actual history behind it, very upsetting but super interesting. Williams was the guy behind Who Framed Roger Rabbit and Disney stole his idea and made Aladdin and then a bad musical version of TTATC later. Really amazing animation!
Another thing the other redditors are forgetting is Disney was heavily directly effected by World War II. Disney basically shut down most of it's productions and used basically a barebones staff to make propaganda. Many of their animators at the time were either drafted or resigned to serve the military.
[deleted] · 580 points · Posted at 21:19:55 on January 16, 2019 · (Permalink)*
The Mad Doctor, for those who want to see it in context. Truly classic right up there with Steamboat Willie, and was revolutionary at the time for the attention paid to the details of shadows and lighting.
EDIT TO ADD: Also, if any of you have dogs and love your doggo, it can be pretty hard to watch Pluto getting kidnapped and tortured.
It is truly remarkable the capabilities that people had back then. It makes one wonder what would be possible during the Super Bowl Excel, with Berger's touchdown run where the tip of the ball barely breaks the plane. I mean, just look at the level of detail for every picture ran in the sequence!
Ok I’m out of the loop... what is Super Bowl Excel? This is the second reference I’ve seen today and I don’t know what people are talking about. Granted I don’t watch Football (doesn’t sound like a football thing though) what is the plane?
A quick google search only brought up excel files about the Super Bowl haha
Superbowl XL. There was a controversial TD call where steelers QB ben roethlisberger scored a TD run by having the tip of the football barely break across the endzone line (plane) by millimeters.
Well, the scores of these films feature a lot of existing music blended together with improvisational themes. Carl Staling (who worked first for Disney until 1930 and later worked for Ub Iwerks and then famously at Warner Bros) would put his talents gained from being a silent film accompanist to essentially write the manual for cartoon music.
In the case of Warner Bros, they already had full orchestras on staff who would sit around playing cards while waiting for a Bogart film or something. Stalling got permission to use them in the off time and Looney Tunes would forever have the reputation as the studio with the best music.
That's the most anxiety I've ever felt watching a Mickey Mouse cartoon.
It really looks like a labour of love.
I'm sure the ending wasn't quite so cliche back in 1933 but I feel really let down by the it was all a dream finale because the cartoon was so good I was actually really worried for Mickey and Pluto and then there was just zero resolution.
Hot damn, reminds me of one of my favorite SNES games as a kid; Mickey Mania. It's levels were based on this, Steamboat Willie and a lot of other classic Mickey cartoons. Great game.
[deleted] · -109 points · Posted at 23:09:57 on January 16, 2019 · (Permalink)*
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[deleted] · 58 points · Posted at 23:12:50 on January 16, 2019 · (Permalink)
Are you referring to houses and apartments as cages? Because I've had dogs all my life and I've never owned a cage. I was shocked to find out some people actually do this like a few years ago.
[deleted] · -51 points · Posted at 23:25:30 on January 16, 2019 · (Permalink)*
I know "1%" is just a proportional quantity but it's got such a strong connotation it's probably better to just say I'm a tiny minority (because I'm broke). And if that's true, that's just depressing, poor dogs.
Dude you're on some sort of crusade here and that's cool but you're fighting the wrong people. Why are you just blatantly assuming anyone that replies to you and has a dog is a horrible person?
And you realize that "owning a cage" does not mean "locking up dog for nine hours" right? I have a cage with the door just dropped open, and my pup loves to just go and lay in it. A lot of dogs actually feel comfortable and safe while in their cage, it's their little spot. An animal owner having a cage doesn't automatically mean they're abusing their animal or locking them up for long hours. When I go to work my dog does whatever she wants, usually sleeps on the couch and I leave the TV on so she has some sounds.
Owning a cage is just part of being a pet owner at times, man. Cage ownership does not inherently mean abuse or extended periods of neglect.
I put my dog in her cage when I’m not home simply to protect her from herself. She’s a one and a half year old german Shepherd. Young dogs are curious. They like to chew and eat random things. I’d much rather her sit in her cage for a few hours instead of have her chew a hole in my couch, eat the stuffing and have an intestinal blockage, or pull the knife block from the back of the counter because she likes chewing on wood and have a bunch of sharp knives fall on her(yes she almost did this once luckily I was in the next room and caught her).
For sure. I did the same when Luna was younger, and when I move I'll have to do it again for at least a month. She's super energetic and will get into absolutely everything until she settles in and it's all normal. I totally understand that some dogs can't be left out while alone, I was referring to extended periods of being locked up, the sort of typically cliche image of a dog in a cage that's dirty and too small for days at a time.
That sounds fine. Personally I’ve never caged but I’ve never had a dog under two, and animals are dumb, and children are dumb, so animal children must be pretty damn stupid. We lock infants away in little baby prisons and that’s pretty reasonable, the only reason playpen walls are fabric instead of metal wire is because wee humans are so weak
Currently I’m in college so she’s in it for I think 3 hours at the most, and now that she’s getting older I can actually trust her to be on her own. And yes, puppies are very very dumb. They go out of their way to get as hurt as possible. They’re clumsy beyond belief because their heads and feet are usually too big for their bodies. They chew and destroy anything in sight when they’re teething. Luckily puppies are very durable. They’ll run head first into a wall and get back up and keep going.
I looked at safety harnesses for dogs and could not find any that had been tested to ensure they actually improved safety instead of just claiming to improve safety while doing nothing (or even causing harm). Is there some harness system that's been evaluated for different sized dogs and shown to work in conditions like vehicular collisions?
Also my dog isn't caged anytime except when it's required for his safety. At least not any more caged than I am. I'm aware some people do use cages regularly but I'd be interested to know how you got to "most" with such confidence that you call other people "oblivious". I agree that there are lots of abuses to pets (and children, and other creatures that are assigned owners) so I'm not unwilling to believe, but I would like to understand more carefully than a claim of "most" by someone on the Intertubes.
[deleted] · -8 points · Posted at 23:36:20 on January 16, 2019 · (Permalink)*
Since when did someone who shits on so many people put in the time and research to know of a particular harness for an animal they don't even care for?
In case that's too vague for you, I'm saying you're full of shit.
Every time someone says something he just moves the goalposts.
His goal is to shit on people, not have a meaningful discussion. Just put him on ignore and never deal with his shit again. Let him disappear into the obscurity from whence he came.
[deleted] · -2 points · Posted at 00:12:15 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)*
If you really care about animals you should make your point in a way that makes the owners want to listen. Being on the attack all the time just means people are going to blow you off for being a dick, and as much as you might prefer the animals to their owners you can't make any changes like that. The owner makes the changes, not the animal, so the "fuck you I don't care about the owners just the animals" line might be your thing, and if it is that's cool dude, but understand then that people are going to label you a troll - whether you're trying to be or not - and ignore your advice. If you're sure you have good advice, maybe suck it up and act nice to ensure people take it? If your priority really is the animals above all else then it shouldn't be hard for you to pretend to be nice and get along to increase the odds that you're listened to.
“Where I can interact face to face with owners” meaning that once you lose your anonymity you aren’t some dick and people are willing to listen to you? Gotcha!
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 01:30:18 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)*
There seems to be an easy solution to getting people to listen to you on the internet. Maybe try not being some asshat on a soapbox? Just a suggestion.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 01:36:37 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)*
That’s like bashing your head against a wall, complaining it hurts, being told “hey maybe don’t bash your head against a wall?” and then continuing to bash your head against said wall.
Plenty of people will listen if you have genuine advice about certain harnesses not being good or anything else of the sort. It's just the way you presented yourself, that's all. If you have legitimate information I can assure you people would be interested as long as you offered it in a reasonable way.
zarp86 · 13 points · Posted at 23:30:21 on January 16, 2019 · (Permalink)
Everyone I know who has a dog, including myself, does not cage them during the day when at work. I know some people do, but I definitely don't think it is the majority.
[deleted] · -5 points · Posted at 23:32:13 on January 16, 2019 · (Permalink)*
Shut the fuck up, you post furry porn you god damned weirdo.
Scunndas · 368 points · Posted at 21:24:22 on January 16, 2019 · (Permalink)
I love animation where the thing that is going to move, i.e. door, window, brick, is always a different hue than the other items around them. Nostalgic AF to me.
[deleted] · 122 points · Posted at 22:36:35 on January 16, 2019 · (Permalink)*
Thanks! I knew why it was happening due to the way they used to animate. Crazy to think about the hours and talent that would go into a single cartoon short. I have friends that work in animation and some still try to replicate the old process instead of going fully digital.
no1dead · 7 points · Posted at 02:38:34 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Not a horrible idea considering we have a collective century of experience, but many of the old methods still find use in 3D. It's plain to see when a 3D cartoon has forsaken its heritage, and only comes out stiff and unpleasant for it.
zdakat · 1 points · Posted at 20:24:27 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
if you're just dumping techniques because "we're in 3d now and don't need the traditional skills!" or just not teaching/applying it, some of those are inherent to things learned to make a better picture. tricks for quality and speed. just emulating them isn't enough though,without understanding why things were done the way they were, otherwise it just looks tacky.
I don't know man he woke up and he saw that shadow and it was real life and he thought it was Hitler and he was about to do the salute and then he saw that he was in America and he change his tune real quick.
[deleted] · 10 points · Posted at 02:52:24 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
It was a film showing how people obey authoritarian regimes, because they're forced to.
[deleted] · 4 points · Posted at 04:59:35 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Because he was scared. Disobedience would be punished harshly, and the entire cartoon is essentially about how much it must suck to be a nazi(to the point where the song itself is making comments about how despite being told "we never will be slaves", "yet still we work like slaves", and essentially ends with "I hope the führer chokes on all these weapons we're making").
Cut Donald some slack. He was pretty clearly relieved that it was all a dream.
As an animator, watching it and knowing it was hand-drawn 2D, my face went from - . - to O.O as soon as the camera turned the corner and he started sliding down the ramp. That shit's dang hard to animate.
when there was a severe depression on, there were very few outlets for trippiness *other* than the cartoons. music, for example, had to be sentimental and/or danceable because the business was in such terrible shape (delaying the swing era by several years). live-action movies could be salacious or violent or wacky, but *not* surreal, because it didn't pay.
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 01:07:14 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
This is how they do “moving” scenes in the stage show of Les Mis. Super impressive to seem like everything is moving with just a projection on the screen.
avaze95 · 1 points · Posted at 00:04:08 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
The first thing came to my mind after watching this was the bed of chaos boss fight from the dark souls.
Wtf is wrong with me?
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 00:11:12 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Wow the new Doom is looking great!
v-gun · 1 points · Posted at 00:14:54 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
I wonder if this was done mathematically. Computer graphics today work by doing some math to points in 3d space to see where they lay on the screen. I wonder if they did that, but by hand.
Pure nightmare fuel. They used to do a Halloween special in the early 90s that had a bunch of old creepy B&W Disney cartoons set to songs like Bad Moon Rising. Scared the shit out me as a kid. Those damned dancing skeletons.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 12:04:12 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
It's incredible how well animators used to be back then. I guess it's because they didn't have the help of computers to do what they wanted, so they were able to be paid to go into such detail and spend a lot of time analyzing how 3D works on a 2D space.
I saw one of the Chevrolet videos that you see on YouTube (like the differential or transmission ones) where they show the improtance of oil in an engine. The animations were ridiculously detailed and they even drew essentially 3D cut-outs and made all the physics work and make sense. It's nuts.
wengxyu · 1 points · Posted at 12:53:48 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
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davetrials · 2679 points · Posted at 19:39:23 on January 16, 2019 · (Permalink)
Why did they have this shit dialed in 1933, yet it didn't seem to raise its head until 1972?
graveyardspin · 2098 points · Posted at 20:36:48 on January 16, 2019 · (Permalink)
Because back in 1933 cartoons were shown in movie theaters and would play for several weeks. Once everyone had a TV, cartoons studios needed to put out more of them faster and cheaper. This meant streamlining the process which consequently meant some of the more complex techniques simply weren't possible.
[deleted] · 545 points · Posted at 21:52:25 on January 16, 2019 · (Permalink)
Relevant Clip
[deleted] · 526 points · Posted at 21:55:25 on January 16, 2019 · (Permalink)
Compare to this. (From 1936)
AirPhforce · 128 points · Posted at 01:05:42 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Another example;
https://youtu.be/AUrOCEt3Olo?t=203
Kwpthrowaway · 112 points · Posted at 01:41:17 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
The raw talent of the animators back then was unbelievable. Doing animations of this quality given the technical limitations of not having any computers is crazy
battraman · 61 points · Posted at 02:16:52 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
The first three Mickey cartoons (Plane Crazy, The Galloping Gaucho and Steamboat Willie) were 100% the creation of one man: Ub Iwerks. He drew every single frame, including the inbetweens.
no1dead · 27 points · Posted at 02:37:44 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Which blows my mind because that must have taken literally fucking years for the entire movie to be finished by one guy.
TheCountryOfWat · 8 points · Posted at 12:14:37 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
I understand he drew steamboat Willie in something insane like 3 days...
Edit: days = weeks: and it was plane crazy, and he drew it only during his off hours. He was incredible.
wobblysauce · 3 points · Posted at 12:32:30 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Being smart with movements you could reuse a number of frames.
That said still an amount more than my ability.
battraman · 5 points · Posted at 13:01:49 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
The backstory of that is kind of interesting. Disney and Ub Iwerks worked together in Kansas City before going out to Hollywood to work on the Alice in Cartoonland shorts and later Oswald the Lucky Rabbit. When Charles Mintz kept giving Walt the runaround about renewing Oswald it was discovered that he was hiring Walt's animators out from under him. So Walt, his brother Roy and Ub devised a plan to start a new studio but they needed a character that they owned. So Ub created Mickey Mouse (a reworking of Oswald) and drew every frame (averaging 700 a day) and whenever someone came near his desk he would hastily slap a picture of Oswald over the picture of Mickey.
natsnoles · 1 points · Posted at 18:40:03 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Is that really his name?
battraman · 2 points · Posted at 18:45:34 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Well his birth name was Ubbe Iwwerks actually.
cckby2005 · 23 points · Posted at 03:03:18 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
To be clear though the backgrounds in those clips are NOT drawings, they are 3 dimensional miniature sets photographed with individual animation cells placed in from of the camera using a device called a rotograph.
You can see it in use at the 2:40 mark in this video: https://youtu.be/k77oMHRDQbk
And this clip has many more examples of the rotograph in use: https://youtu.be/1AZAbSXmeoI
libertyordeath1 · 46 points · Posted at 01:56:20 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Amazing what you could accomplish with no Reddit
SleepyConscience · 12 points · Posted at 02:35:35 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Trust me, without Reddit you'd waste all your time on something even more trivial and addictive.
tomjoad2020ad · 8 points · Posted at 03:07:20 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Who’s up for some stickball?
ReadySteady_GO · 13 points · Posted at 02:13:02 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Blasphemer
SpellsThatWrong · 5 points · Posted at 02:29:20 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
There was always a reddit
anynamesleft · 2 points · Posted at 02:49:18 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
We could land a man on the moon if it weren't for reddit.
TheDecagon · 7 points · Posted at 02:56:16 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
They also had clever technical solutions to work with, which in the case of those 3D ones would involve physically building a 3D background.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 09:26:19 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Most of the known laws of quantum physics and special relativity were worked out then too. Without computers. Today most people would be helpless without a calculator to do basic math for them. Nobody ever improved a skill by letting a machine do it for them.
Kwpthrowaway · 1 points · Posted at 12:25:50 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)*
That and all the medical breakthroughs with antibiotics, insulin, TB vaccine, Polio vaccine, smallpox erradication and many others. Not to mention invention of airplanes, cars, rockets, TV, movies, radios, and computers themselves all in the first half of the 20th century
ItsMeMora · 27 points · Posted at 01:23:20 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Holy shit that's amazing. The train making faces shouting "BEWARE!" is nightmare fuel tho.
kalabaddon · 14 points · Posted at 02:08:11 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)*
Ya Blaine is a pain!
WaryKit · 3 points · Posted at 06:29:00 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
And that is the truth
lookcloserlenny · 3 points · Posted at 08:01:14 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
What has four wheels and flies?
WaryKit · 2 points · Posted at 12:14:58 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
A garbage truck. When is a door not a door?
brickplate · 10 points · Posted at 01:26:59 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Thomas the Infernal Engine.
ReelAwesome · 16 points · Posted at 01:55:13 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
This really makes you appreciate the attention to detail and artistic style in Cuphead. They replicated that animation style almost perfectly.
LukaCola · 6 points · Posted at 02:17:11 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Of course, right after that segment, they're reusing backgrounds while the train is moving.
Cause that's just smart animating.
[deleted] · 7 points · Posted at 02:05:44 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)*
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perpetualwalnut · 3 points · Posted at 03:11:06 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Hey if it makes kids stay away from train yards then I'm cool with that.
EhAhKen · 2 points · Posted at 01:25:14 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
That was class.
8ofAll · 1 points · Posted at 02:26:59 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Good dogo! A cat would never do that for a human.
KimonoThief · 1 points · Posted at 03:16:09 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Is that actually hand-drawn or a miniature set?
NoSmallCaterpillar · 1 points · Posted at 03:37:34 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
It looks like a combination of the two. Old animations were painted on transparencies and stacked at different distances from a camera to create depth. It would be possible to incorporate models into that kind of set up.
Wavelength_Finder · 1 points · Posted at 15:22:39 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
This is why I'm so happy that cup head was made.
[deleted] · 214 points · Posted at 22:29:25 on January 16, 2019 · (Permalink)
I can't include that sorry :-P As that is a miniature set that they lit and filmed, then overlayed his character walking through it.
Now if they had hand drawn that whole thing?! I would be going apeshit cause that would have been soo cool
[deleted] · 94 points · Posted at 22:31:57 on January 16, 2019 · (Permalink)
I was just pointing out how much effort they used to put into making things look cool, hand drawn, model, or hybrid. Animators back in the day were ARTISTS, and their canvas was all of reality.
awtcurtis · 150 points · Posted at 00:28:23 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
On behalf of animators everywhere, just let me say that we are still artists, and we still put our heart and soul into our work. If you want to see awesome stuff, talk to the studio execs who have milked the animation and vfx industry for decades, cutting production budgets and artist pay, while pocketing the biggest box offices of all time.
MkVIaccount · 36 points · Posted at 01:12:02 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Dude, artists are the only thing that has advanced. You all are at the peak of your game across all media. The real shame is watching the talent of you artists expand with the tech and the times, and get pegged to stagnant writing and lazy production that decided that a phoned in script for Garfield ought to be greenlit.
clamroll · 52 points · Posted at 01:36:56 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
And redditors belittling artists for using computers. That always sticks in my throat. You wouldn't belittle a doctor for using the most advanced, modern technology to cure someone. Let the artist use the computer to make their art. If the artist really has no talent and just uses the machine to do it all like so many think, they're likely not going to go anywhere.
awtcurtis · 13 points · Posted at 02:48:32 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
One of my all time favorite gifs:
https://i.gifer.com/2j5y.gif
clamroll · 4 points · Posted at 03:02:21 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
That's fucking great, I've somehow never seen it 😄 thank you
The sloppy button press kills me
awtcurtis · 1 points · Posted at 21:10:24 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
The button press is my favorite part too :)
sudo999 · 6 points · Posted at 02:43:08 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
for real. you see a photomanipulation or something, where the artist took all their own photos and then shopped them together in a cool way, and people are just like "hHHH this takes 15 minutes in Photoshop" like yeah you dick muffin it would take 15 minutes if you already had all the photos and you were just going to exactly replicate the work of someone else but the whole creative part takes longer
zdakat · 2 points · Posted at 03:54:31 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
some of the studios that do computer work,also research it and such, so the next generation of graphics will be faster,cheaper,and better. so there's definitely math and science going into it,which is usually considered an intelligent work. and from what I've seen with the tools used for those sort of things, it's not as simple as many people would think. sure you can be lazy with it, and it's getting easier to do so, but it's pretty obvious when it is. making a full movie from start to finish must be a lot of work on everyone's part.
awtcurtis · 3 points · Posted at 02:46:00 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)*
Thanks a lot! I am continually baffled by how incredibly talented everyone in this industry is, so I totally agree with you. And yeah, it's crazy to see really bad stories get greenlit, but there are also a lot of really awesome stories getting made. Into the Spiderverse just flat out blew me away, and I hope we keep making films that push the boundaries like Sony did on that film.
Trankman · 4 points · Posted at 01:17:12 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Honestly I’m possibly going into 3D animation because I love it but I’m not expecting a good time lol
awtcurtis · 5 points · Posted at 03:01:54 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
You should definitely expect to have a good time! Animation is an awesome field to work in! However, you do need to be very proactive and assertive in taking care of yourself, especially if you start in freelance / commercials like I did. Don't let companies over work you, and demand overtime pay and benefits.
I've had companies hire me on as a 1099 instead of a W2, which is super illegal. Companies placing "holds" on artists where you can't work for someone else while they make up their minds. Commercial houses will hire on a "day rate" instead of hourly, to get out of paying overtime, etc. There are lots of things employers will try to do to take advantage of you, and it's your job to be aware of it and stand up for yourself. For instance, you can build your overtime into your day rate by assuming 10 -12 hour day and charge according. If they try to hire you as a 1099 tell them you demand a W2. Or if they insist and you really want the job, increase your rate by 35% to cover the cost of payroll taxes.
I love working in animation, and I wouldn't do anything else. It can definitely be a great life, however, you need to take it seriously and protect your financial security.
PS. Things tend to be a lot better in the larger studios or in games where employment is more stable. The stuff I listed above is the worst case scenario, not something that happens all the time everywhere.
zdakat · 1 points · Posted at 03:56:24 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
how much leverage would someone who wants to get into it have? seems like it would be easy for the company to be indignant and hire someone else, and certainly someone wouldn't want to miss the opportunity to be able to do the job. (not that they shouldn't stand up for themselves, it just seems intimidating)
awtcurtis · 2 points · Posted at 21:16:15 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
It definitely varies from case to case and depends a lot on the quality of your work and the needs of the company. That said, I think in most cases artists generally tend to underestimate their worth, rather than overestimate.
If you sit down and go over your expenses, savings and spending plans, and come up with a reasonable number, then go into the meeting being respectful, I don't think the person hiring would be indignant or get mad at you. There is always the possibility that they will turn you down sure, but better that then working for slave wages.
The other absolutely most important thing to do is to talk to other people in your field. See what they are earning. It is a bit of a taboo, but one we need to break. Keeping silent on wages only ever benefits the employer.
FeatheredCat · 1 points · Posted at 02:51:20 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Am 3D game art and animation student- can vouch for it being very challenging, haha. There’s fun in it too, though!
zdakat · 2 points · Posted at 03:51:47 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
I do think that the people putting those together want it to be the best. I still have that ounce of faith in humanity. I suspect that it must be really disappointing to have to cut back the best stuff and then have viewers be disappointed, because the best work isn't available.
awtcurtis · 2 points · Posted at 21:22:07 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
It can be for sure! But one of the things you learn is that you can't get too attached. Just make the things you do as best as you can and then let them go. I'm still struggling with that last part!
papusman · 1 points · Posted at 01:21:54 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
What field of animation are you in? I'm an animation nerd and admire the work a ton.
awtcurtis · 3 points · Posted at 03:03:42 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
I work for a lamp :)
TheLinden · 10 points · Posted at 22:56:57 on January 16, 2019 · (Permalink)
First you make high quality shit that you cannot afford to get fame and then you sell anything.
stonedsasquatch · 3 points · Posted at 00:42:26 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Back in my day....
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 01:40:43 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Spa Studios Klaus.
Just sayin.
[deleted] · 11 points · Posted at 00:58:17 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
So?
There are no hard set rules as to what is and isn't an animation. As long as Popeye is animated, I consider it an animated film.
steamwhy · 1 points · Posted at 02:00:50 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
sir he was speaking purely to the technical aspect (the "complex techniques" for cartoons talked about in the second comment?). don't turn this into a terminology debate about whether a miniature set is a "true animation" because no one was talking about that.
[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 01:46:28 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
The Micky Mouse clip is also a physical set that is drawn over frame by frame (rotoscope.)
Kinkywrite · 4 points · Posted at 01:45:49 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Yeah, gonna have to downvote this. That took talent and skill and remember, they were developing this technique. It seems quaint and a cheat now but was pretty awesome stuff back in the day.
Rutgerman95 · 8 points · Posted at 00:40:53 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Popeye walking through The Neverhood.
PunyParker826 · 5 points · Posted at 01:12:52 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Fleischer cartoons were fuckin' bananas. Check out the old Superman shorts they did as well. A lot of it is rotoscoped, but it's still impressive as hell.
EhAhKen · 3 points · Posted at 01:20:12 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
I know its popeye but what is this actually from?
drawkbox · 3 points · Posted at 01:52:49 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Created with the Multiplane Camera which allowed for layered parallaxing and better background quality reuse.
fluffykerfuffle1 · 1 points · Posted at 02:03:46 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
yes, the el cheapo shit-tooning started at same time as tv but it was in the theaters too... i remember mr magoo was especially minimalist.. and they were not disney iirc
but then everyone adopted “the style” even disney... but it was for the money not for the art.
zdakat · 2 points · Posted at 06:39:23 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
there's probably a way to make minimalist good. but if you're just straight up ripping it because it's easier than coming up with your own style, it's going to look forced and not as good(possibly poor integration for the same reason they chose to do that in the first place)
stat30fbliss · 1 points · Posted at 02:32:19 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
That’s a labor of love right there
nayhem_jr · 1 points · Posted at 02:52:15 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
If they put up this production quality for their spin-off characters, what more the main cast?
bezelbubba · 1 points · Posted at 07:59:12 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Popeye! The Fleisher Brothers were the best. They put parallax into their animations.
psychicowl · 1 points · Posted at 23:42:33 on January 16, 2019 · (Permalink)
Eh, not the same
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 03:04:29 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Except for that particular background wouldn't it actually be the same amount of work if not more because the lady is mopping?
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 03:11:06 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
No, they already drew the frames once, they just have to reuse them, over and over. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that drawing a moving 3d perspective is probably harder than a 2d woman mopping :-P
Frank-Hovis · 33 points · Posted at 23:24:06 on January 16, 2019 · (Permalink)
Cheapo Cartoon Man https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5SD2UU_XYU
gorka_la_pork · 51 points · Posted at 22:19:44 on January 16, 2019 · (Permalink)
Hanna-Barbera were the early pioneers of this, innovating lots of techniques that should be familiar to anyone who ever worked in Flash animation (draw in layers? Yeah, no duh) but were revolutionary in the 50's. That's why most of their major characters like Yogi Bear and Quick Draw McGraw always had something like a collar or tie or bandana to clearly delineate their heads from their separately drawn bodies. Go back and look at how much their bodies only assume a handful of static poses while the heads and faces do most of the acting. That was never the case before in made-for-movie shorts where every cel was wholly redrawn frame by frame (which was more fluid, but more time consuming and prohibitively expensive for a TV budget)
[deleted] · 16 points · Posted at 00:23:40 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Actually Hanna-Barbera took a lot from UPA animation studio who pioneered the "cartoon modern" style with limited animation.
statist_steve · 3 points · Posted at 02:03:22 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
I worked in Flash professionally from 2000 to about 2012 or so when it was pretty much into its death throes. And all through that time, including all the projects I personally worked on and was proud of, this was the one thing I remember as the pinnacle of all Flash work: Jake’s Booty Call.
Simply unrivaled. “Get me a Jack and Coke—and a bottle of Dom!”
aloxinuos · 1 points · Posted at 03:34:23 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
BATMETAL!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8yzt5AmpJU
zdakat · 1 points · Posted at 06:40:52 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
isn't vector animation still used sometimes? or do you mean like the actual product Adobe Flash? (some people seem to call it that even if it's a different software)
statist_steve · 2 points · Posted at 07:18:36 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Adobe Flash.
elriggo44 · 12 points · Posted at 02:04:58 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
To add on to this comment. This is why lots of cartoon characters from the 60s through 80s have some form of collar (or some line around their neck, and their legs/pants. Every line that cuts completely through the body creates a new “layer” that needs to be drawn (even when it’s Fred Flintstone’s legs that stick out from under his triangular cut animal skin.
The torso isn’t redrawn when a characters mouth moves because you can just redraw the head without any color issues thanks to the fact that there’s a nice big collar separating the two. The torso and arms arent redrawn every time a character runs because you can just redraw the legs.
This creates the distinctive Hanna Barbara Run where legs are moving and torso/arms/head are all still (unless running and talking). Sometimes they do draw two discrete frames of the torso and arms like the Flintstones where the arms move forward and backward. But that’s still less work.
Anywhere they can cut corners to crank out shows in time.
Hanna Barbara pioneered this technique.
If you notice, Tom and Jerry cartoons are pretty smooth. That’s because they started out as short films that had the ability to take as much time as possible.
Alderez · 100 points · Posted at 00:19:44 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
This isn't 3D, it's just drawn perspective. It's been understood for hundreds of years. 3D software that draws space between vertices in 3D space wouldn't start rearing its head until the late 60's, early 70's.
awtcurtis · 33 points · Posted at 00:31:10 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Thank you for pointing this out. Part of the problem is our terminology is innaccurate and clumsy. 3D animation has come to mean computer animation, but really we should use the terms CG animation and Traditional (or hand drawn) animation.
The ship has kinda sailed on that one though :/
Alderez · 25 points · Posted at 00:44:52 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
In the industry we use Digital 3D, Digital 2D, Traditional 3D (clay sculpting), and Traditional 2D.
CG is kind of a dirty word since it's such a catch-all that could mean anything between effects compositing, procedural animation, or literally anything that impacts the end-product where a computer was involved.
awtcurtis · 1 points · Posted at 03:14:31 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Hmm, I haven't heard those terms be used that way, at least in my area, but I do like them. I agree that CG can be vague too.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 03:32:33 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
It all falls under the magical veil of CC.
Wheffle · 7 points · Posted at 00:43:51 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
A computer just uses a bunch of math to project a 3D scene onto a 2D surface, so in a way it's kind of doing the same thing people do when they draw a perspective manually (especially if they carefully measure).
QweenethForktongue · 8 points · Posted at 02:11:35 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
You gotta check out the real Thief and the Cobbler by Richard Williams: Recobbled Edition. Not the garbage Disney put out in the 90s. Read the actual history behind it, very upsetting but super interesting. Williams was the guy behind Who Framed Roger Rabbit and Disney stole his idea and made Aladdin and then a bad musical version of TTATC later. Really amazing animation!
Ceramicrabbit · 1 points · Posted at 03:40:28 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
I actually loved the garbage Disney put out, but when I finally saw the full version it blew my mind.
Hilarious film for a kid and a real piece of art for an adult
QweenethForktongue · 1 points · Posted at 03:56:23 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Ye fair enough! It’s hard for me to get over the injustice that surrounds their version of the film however
remarqer · 4 points · Posted at 01:29:38 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
All the artists were jacking off to cubism
iwantedthisusername · 2 points · Posted at 02:00:15 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Most cartoons don't animate the background for budget reasons.
NerdySixShooter · 1 points · Posted at 02:34:48 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Another thing the other redditors are forgetting is Disney was heavily directly effected by World War II. Disney basically shut down most of it's productions and used basically a barebones staff to make propaganda. Many of their animators at the time were either drafted or resigned to serve the military.
apollodeen · -2 points · Posted at 23:00:26 on January 16, 2019 · (Permalink)
I would at the shit out of this videogame
[deleted] · 580 points · Posted at 21:19:55 on January 16, 2019 · (Permalink)*
The Mad Doctor, for those who want to see it in context. Truly classic right up there with Steamboat Willie, and was revolutionary at the time for the attention paid to the details of shadows and lighting.
EDIT TO ADD: Also, if any of you have dogs and love your doggo, it can be pretty hard to watch Pluto getting kidnapped and tortured.
MarkofPerplex · 46 points · Posted at 00:30:22 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)*
It is truly remarkable the capabilities that people had back then. It makes one wonder what would be possible during the Super Bowl Excel, with Berger's touchdown run where the tip of the ball barely breaks the plane. I mean, just look at the level of detail for every picture ran in the sequence!
randallpie · 8 points · Posted at 01:24:06 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Ok I’m out of the loop... what is Super Bowl Excel? This is the second reference I’ve seen today and I don’t know what people are talking about. Granted I don’t watch Football (doesn’t sound like a football thing though) what is the plane? A quick google search only brought up excel files about the Super Bowl haha
Kwpthrowaway · 12 points · Posted at 01:52:36 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Superbowl XL. There was a controversial TD call where steelers QB ben roethlisberger scored a TD run by having the tip of the football barely break across the endzone line (plane) by millimeters.
randallpie · 3 points · Posted at 01:56:21 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Oh so it is a real football thing haha... I never heard the term plane before, but that’s kinda what I was assuming... thanks!!
goatpunchtheater · 7 points · Posted at 01:44:00 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
What's crazy to me, is the orchestral scores. That they would pay an entire orchestra to compose original music for all this is so crazy to me
battraman · 3 points · Posted at 02:31:37 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Well, the scores of these films feature a lot of existing music blended together with improvisational themes. Carl Staling (who worked first for Disney until 1930 and later worked for Ub Iwerks and then famously at Warner Bros) would put his talents gained from being a silent film accompanist to essentially write the manual for cartoon music.
In the case of Warner Bros, they already had full orchestras on staff who would sit around playing cards while waiting for a Bogart film or something. Stalling got permission to use them in the off time and Looney Tunes would forever have the reputation as the studio with the best music.
goatpunchtheater · 1 points · Posted at 02:46:02 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
that's really interesting, thanks for the reply
battraman · 1 points · Posted at 13:02:42 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
No problem. The early days of animation are really interesting if you want to read up on the history of them.
[deleted] · 11 points · Posted at 01:01:44 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Labor used to be cheap, so they had more time for quality.
Zenquin · 8 points · Posted at 01:21:59 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Of course... But maybe...
tinierontheoutside · 3 points · Posted at 01:59:00 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
You’re not funny
SolarTsunami · 1 points · Posted at 02:32:39 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Yeah, well, it wasn't a touchdown.
SnowGryphon · 1 points · Posted at 03:33:19 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
oh it's a knockoff /u/shittymorph!
WannieTheSane · 6 points · Posted at 05:17:33 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
That's the most anxiety I've ever felt watching a Mickey Mouse cartoon.
It really looks like a labour of love.
I'm sure the ending wasn't quite so cliche back in 1933 but I feel really let down by the it was all a dream finale because the cartoon was so good I was actually really worried for Mickey and Pluto and then there was just zero resolution.
H3dgecr33p · 8 points · Posted at 01:21:29 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)*
At 2:30 there is a shadow of Mickey cast on the stairs. After he walks up and falls down the shadow isn’t drawn.
deathfist_ · 1 points · Posted at 02:32:56 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Hot damn, reminds me of one of my favorite SNES games as a kid; Mickey Mania. It's levels were based on this, Steamboat Willie and a lot of other classic Mickey cartoons. Great game.
[deleted] · -109 points · Posted at 23:09:57 on January 16, 2019 · (Permalink)*
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[deleted] · 58 points · Posted at 23:12:50 on January 16, 2019 · (Permalink)
That's blatantly wrong. Who hurt you?
Nilosyrtis · 15 points · Posted at 00:11:45 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
For real, all this users comments in here seem to be attacking dog owners. Must work for PETA or something
[deleted] · -58 points · Posted at 23:14:15 on January 16, 2019 · (Permalink)*
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PutHisGlassesOn · 29 points · Posted at 23:24:01 on January 16, 2019 · (Permalink)
Are you referring to houses and apartments as cages? Because I've had dogs all my life and I've never owned a cage. I was shocked to find out some people actually do this like a few years ago.
[deleted] · -51 points · Posted at 23:25:30 on January 16, 2019 · (Permalink)*
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legionsanity · 9 points · Posted at 00:42:11 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
lol.. what kinda fucked up view do you have on them generally? Maybe at first if you adopt them from a shelter or so though but no shit
PutHisGlassesOn · 3 points · Posted at 23:30:56 on January 16, 2019 · (Permalink)
I know "1%" is just a proportional quantity but it's got such a strong connotation it's probably better to just say I'm a tiny minority (because I'm broke). And if that's true, that's just depressing, poor dogs.
HueyCrashTestPilot · 16 points · Posted at 23:59:07 on January 16, 2019 · (Permalink)
Let's be honest here. Ol' themummra here smells faintly of PETA with a dash of self-righteous digital slacktivist.
PutHisGlassesOn · 7 points · Posted at 00:00:46 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
I mean, I wasn't gonna say it until it was too late to deny.
[deleted] · -1 points · Posted at 00:32:02 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)*
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Antosino · 4 points · Posted at 00:53:41 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Dude you're on some sort of crusade here and that's cool but you're fighting the wrong people. Why are you just blatantly assuming anyone that replies to you and has a dog is a horrible person?
And you realize that "owning a cage" does not mean "locking up dog for nine hours" right? I have a cage with the door just dropped open, and my pup loves to just go and lay in it. A lot of dogs actually feel comfortable and safe while in their cage, it's their little spot. An animal owner having a cage doesn't automatically mean they're abusing their animal or locking them up for long hours. When I go to work my dog does whatever she wants, usually sleeps on the couch and I leave the TV on so she has some sounds.
Owning a cage is just part of being a pet owner at times, man. Cage ownership does not inherently mean abuse or extended periods of neglect.
Dankraham_Lincoln · 1 points · Posted at 01:37:54 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
I put my dog in her cage when I’m not home simply to protect her from herself. She’s a one and a half year old german Shepherd. Young dogs are curious. They like to chew and eat random things. I’d much rather her sit in her cage for a few hours instead of have her chew a hole in my couch, eat the stuffing and have an intestinal blockage, or pull the knife block from the back of the counter because she likes chewing on wood and have a bunch of sharp knives fall on her(yes she almost did this once luckily I was in the next room and caught her).
Antosino · 1 points · Posted at 01:39:19 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
For sure. I did the same when Luna was younger, and when I move I'll have to do it again for at least a month. She's super energetic and will get into absolutely everything until she settles in and it's all normal. I totally understand that some dogs can't be left out while alone, I was referring to extended periods of being locked up, the sort of typically cliche image of a dog in a cage that's dirty and too small for days at a time.
PutHisGlassesOn · 1 points · Posted at 06:09:39 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
That sounds fine. Personally I’ve never caged but I’ve never had a dog under two, and animals are dumb, and children are dumb, so animal children must be pretty damn stupid. We lock infants away in little baby prisons and that’s pretty reasonable, the only reason playpen walls are fabric instead of metal wire is because wee humans are so weak
Dankraham_Lincoln · 2 points · Posted at 06:26:19 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Currently I’m in college so she’s in it for I think 3 hours at the most, and now that she’s getting older I can actually trust her to be on her own. And yes, puppies are very very dumb. They go out of their way to get as hurt as possible. They’re clumsy beyond belief because their heads and feet are usually too big for their bodies. They chew and destroy anything in sight when they’re teething. Luckily puppies are very durable. They’ll run head first into a wall and get back up and keep going.
profplump · 9 points · Posted at 23:33:18 on January 16, 2019 · (Permalink)
I looked at safety harnesses for dogs and could not find any that had been tested to ensure they actually improved safety instead of just claiming to improve safety while doing nothing (or even causing harm). Is there some harness system that's been evaluated for different sized dogs and shown to work in conditions like vehicular collisions?
Also my dog isn't caged anytime except when it's required for his safety. At least not any more caged than I am. I'm aware some people do use cages regularly but I'd be interested to know how you got to "most" with such confidence that you call other people "oblivious". I agree that there are lots of abuses to pets (and children, and other creatures that are assigned owners) so I'm not unwilling to believe, but I would like to understand more carefully than a claim of "most" by someone on the Intertubes.
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Atomsk88 · 10 points · Posted at 23:55:17 on January 16, 2019 · (Permalink)
So after raving about these fantastic life-saving harnesses, you tell everyone to Google it...
Do you happen to have a bridge or two to sell me as well?
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Atomsk88 · 11 points · Posted at 00:00:54 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Since when did someone who shits on so many people put in the time and research to know of a particular harness for an animal they don't even care for?
In case that's too vague for you, I'm saying you're full of shit.
mcketten · 7 points · Posted at 00:26:28 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Every time someone says something he just moves the goalposts.
His goal is to shit on people, not have a meaningful discussion. Just put him on ignore and never deal with his shit again. Let him disappear into the obscurity from whence he came.
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Antosino · 2 points · Posted at 00:58:16 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
If you really care about animals you should make your point in a way that makes the owners want to listen. Being on the attack all the time just means people are going to blow you off for being a dick, and as much as you might prefer the animals to their owners you can't make any changes like that. The owner makes the changes, not the animal, so the "fuck you I don't care about the owners just the animals" line might be your thing, and if it is that's cool dude, but understand then that people are going to label you a troll - whether you're trying to be or not - and ignore your advice. If you're sure you have good advice, maybe suck it up and act nice to ensure people take it? If your priority really is the animals above all else then it shouldn't be hard for you to pretend to be nice and get along to increase the odds that you're listened to.
icarebot · 1 points · Posted at 00:58:18 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
I care
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Dankraham_Lincoln · 3 points · Posted at 01:27:16 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
“Where I can interact face to face with owners” meaning that once you lose your anonymity you aren’t some dick and people are willing to listen to you? Gotcha!
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Dankraham_Lincoln · 2 points · Posted at 01:32:55 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
There seems to be an easy solution to getting people to listen to you on the internet. Maybe try not being some asshat on a soapbox? Just a suggestion.
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Dankraham_Lincoln · 2 points · Posted at 01:39:44 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
That’s like bashing your head against a wall, complaining it hurts, being told “hey maybe don’t bash your head against a wall?” and then continuing to bash your head against said wall.
Antosino · 1 points · Posted at 01:13:16 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Plenty of people will listen if you have genuine advice about certain harnesses not being good or anything else of the sort. It's just the way you presented yourself, that's all. If you have legitimate information I can assure you people would be interested as long as you offered it in a reasonable way.
zarp86 · 13 points · Posted at 23:30:21 on January 16, 2019 · (Permalink)
Everyone I know who has a dog, including myself, does not cage them during the day when at work. I know some people do, but I definitely don't think it is the majority.
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VeryAwkwardCake · 8 points · Posted at 23:34:57 on January 16, 2019 · (Permalink)
I do
mcketten · 7 points · Posted at 00:25:17 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
How many goalposts are there in your little game?
stanley_twobrick · 23 points · Posted at 00:01:19 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
What an odd place to set up your soap box.
[deleted] · 9 points · Posted at 00:13:22 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
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TS_Music · 1 points · Posted at 02:31:54 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Shut the fuck up, you post furry porn you god damned weirdo.
Scunndas · 368 points · Posted at 21:24:22 on January 16, 2019 · (Permalink)
I love animation where the thing that is going to move, i.e. door, window, brick, is always a different hue than the other items around them. Nostalgic AF to me.
[deleted] · 122 points · Posted at 22:36:35 on January 16, 2019 · (Permalink)*
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Scunndas · 23 points · Posted at 23:57:27 on January 16, 2019 · (Permalink)
Thanks! I knew why it was happening due to the way they used to animate. Crazy to think about the hours and talent that would go into a single cartoon short. I have friends that work in animation and some still try to replicate the old process instead of going fully digital.
no1dead · 7 points · Posted at 02:38:34 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
This old method was also done with Cuphead too.
nayhem_jr · 2 points · Posted at 02:57:47 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Not a horrible idea considering we have a collective century of experience, but many of the old methods still find use in 3D. It's plain to see when a 3D cartoon has forsaken its heritage, and only comes out stiff and unpleasant for it.
zdakat · 1 points · Posted at 20:24:27 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
if you're just dumping techniques because "we're in 3d now and don't need the traditional skills!" or just not teaching/applying it, some of those are inherent to things learned to make a better picture. tricks for quality and speed. just emulating them isn't enough though,without understanding why things were done the way they were, otherwise it just looks tacky.
SlowSeas · 1 points · Posted at 02:16:19 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
That site is a nightmare on mobile.
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LetsWorkTogether · 2 points · Posted at 03:09:36 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Worked fine for me too, must be their browser. I even tried two different ones (RIF browser and Brave).
LetsWorkTogether · 2 points · Posted at 03:09:45 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
What browser did you use?
SlowSeas · 1 points · Posted at 04:18:07 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Chrome mobile, am I a noob?
LetsWorkTogether · 2 points · Posted at 05:03:37 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Possibly. Try a different one.
alexsouth · 3 points · Posted at 01:51:57 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
I noticed that a lot growing up, since many shows were still hand drawn.
omni222 · 54 points · Posted at 23:06:27 on January 16, 2019 · (Permalink)
Winsor McCay was experimenting with depth in 1911. Look at this clip of Little Nemo.
Vainel · 5 points · Posted at 02:38:28 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Wow.
anguianoewi · 3 points · Posted at 04:37:03 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
I was expecting a fish, but that also works
EhAhKen · 6 points · Posted at 01:53:59 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
That was incredible
[deleted] · 189 points · Posted at 20:48:56 on January 16, 2019 · (Permalink)*
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Hodl_Your_Coins · 45 points · Posted at 21:29:59 on January 16, 2019 · (Permalink)
Makes sense when you consider this.
mydickcuresAIDS · 12 points · Posted at 23:45:58 on January 16, 2019 · (Permalink)
Holy shit how have I never seen this?
[deleted] · 27 points · Posted at 01:04:13 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
People who think Donald Duck is a Nazi haven't seen the end of the film.
It's an anti-Nazi film.
lroosemusic · 7 points · Posted at 02:24:52 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
I don't know man he woke up and he saw that shadow and it was real life and he thought it was Hitler and he was about to do the salute and then he saw that he was in America and he change his tune real quick.
[deleted] · 10 points · Posted at 02:52:24 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
It was a film showing how people obey authoritarian regimes, because they're forced to.
[deleted] · 4 points · Posted at 04:59:35 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Because he was scared. Disobedience would be punished harshly, and the entire cartoon is essentially about how much it must suck to be a nazi(to the point where the song itself is making comments about how despite being told "we never will be slaves", "yet still we work like slaves", and essentially ends with "I hope the führer chokes on all these weapons we're making").
Cut Donald some slack. He was pretty clearly relieved that it was all a dream.
SmexyHippo · 3 points · Posted at 02:30:15 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
I don't think you have to see the ending to realise it's an anti-nazi film man, it's pretty blatant propaganda.
Prince_Edward_IV · 1 points · Posted at 02:30:30 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Hearing Donald duck yell heil Hitler is something I didn't know I needed
BKA_Diver · 8 points · Posted at 00:59:35 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
HAHA. I was going to say either this or Doom.
librlman · 2 points · Posted at 02:00:06 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Really wanna see Mickey packing a BFG.
tbbHNC89 · 2 points · Posted at 02:17:36 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Hoh-holy shit!
BKA_Diver · 1 points · Posted at 04:29:43 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
and a nazi mutant Donald the Duck to waste
mydickcuresAIDS · 2 points · Posted at 23:43:48 on January 16, 2019 · (Permalink)
Only Wolfenstein never went up or down stairs. That game really was kinda lazy.
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 01:13:54 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
So, more original Tomb Raider, with that ramp. But no spike bar swinging into low-poly Lara's face.
ianswoody · 61 points · Posted at 22:15:02 on January 16, 2019 · (Permalink)
This was my favorite Windows screensaver.
TheDevirgination · 86 points · Posted at 22:27:15 on January 16, 2019 · (Permalink)
“I been in a rut, ducked off from the sun...”
pm_me_your_bootypics · 35 points · Posted at 00:23:44 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
N I H I L
TherapeuticThrowback · 8 points · Posted at 02:38:55 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
“Bit my gun with my black gold gums I'm no fun, I'm no fun”
wazzupman98 · 3 points · Posted at 13:34:16 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Blood run marathons down my chest
max_daigle · 19 points · Posted at 22:38:55 on January 16, 2019 · (Permalink)
👻👻👻
TheDevirgination · 17 points · Posted at 22:39:06 on January 16, 2019 · (Permalink)
Ayyyy somebody caught it
Neutronova · 21 points · Posted at 20:54:15 on January 16, 2019 · (Permalink)
Id hate to be the dude with the rruler that had the job of inbetweening that fucking BG>
Naked-Lunch · 4 points · Posted at 01:19:35 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
You don't think this was rotoscoped?
aloxinuos · -1 points · Posted at 03:52:07 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
No, this is simple enough, repeat a bunch of orderly straight lines. Rotoscoping is for organic movements, someone walking or jumping or dancing...
entropyblues · 73 points · Posted at 23:38:04 on January 16, 2019 · (Permalink)
ACTUALLY...
It’s from 1931. This cartoon reuses the background with Mickey. But the original is Egyptian Melodies
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_Melodies
[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 03:21:19 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Thank you, this is the one I remember watching when I was a kid
LollerCoasterTycoon3 · 6 points · Posted at 01:12:27 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Oh no that is nightmare fuel
[deleted] · 28 points · Posted at 19:53:52 on January 16, 2019 · (Permalink)
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[deleted] · 13 points · Posted at 20:49:54 on January 16, 2019 · (Permalink)
aka Wolfenstein 3D
NeurotoxEVE · 8 points · Posted at 22:36:10 on January 16, 2019 · (Permalink)
No way man! It's all about The Swedish Chef's Kitchens of Doom
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkWaeaBYCsY&t=211s
edward14flynn · 50 points · Posted at 19:54:18 on January 16, 2019 · (Permalink)
As simplistic as that looks it's quite impressive.
Dontlagmebro · 27 points · Posted at 00:01:13 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Especially since it was done almost 90 years ago.
TheArtofDoingScience · 22 points · Posted at 00:55:32 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
As an animator, watching it and knowing it was hand-drawn 2D, my face went from - . - to O.O as soon as the camera turned the corner and he started sliding down the ramp. That shit's dang hard to animate.
AltimaNEO · 2 points · Posted at 03:50:29 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
I'm guessing it was likely rotoscoped over actual footage
PM_ME_PSN_CODES-PLS · 5 points · Posted at 01:50:28 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Y'all heathens ever seen Steamboat Willie?
That was some good shit.
TheLinden · 22 points · Posted at 22:54:46 on January 16, 2019 · (Permalink)
Damn Cuphead 3D looks great!
Kalamazoohoo · 5 points · Posted at 02:29:50 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
You actually get to play this cartoon location in a couple side scroll levels in Epic Mickey.
konsollfreak · 15 points · Posted at 19:51:17 on January 16, 2019 · (Permalink)
Mickey’s Lair
Firefishgamer · 16 points · Posted at 00:37:43 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
This was in a ghostmane video so IDK https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hp4AanxpAKU
EhAhKen · 9 points · Posted at 01:55:56 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Wait no way they paid the rights for all these clips.
TherapeuticThrowback · 3 points · Posted at 02:40:40 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
He has a lot of videos like these. He’s a great artist that just came out with a new CD for those who want to check him out:
N/O/I/S/E
Schmorfen · 13 points · Posted at 23:37:28 on January 16, 2019 · (Permalink)
When I see these old Mickey Mouse cartoons all I can think of is Ghostemane's music videos.
Slogfarts · 6 points · Posted at 00:50:20 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
I wonder if this was this inspiration for this Disney/Bioshock mashup
[deleted] · 9 points · Posted at 02:01:31 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Ghostemane, anyone?
TherapeuticThrowback · 2 points · Posted at 02:41:25 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
My favorite artist right now!
APenNameAndThatA · 3 points · Posted at 22:08:34 on January 16, 2019 · (Permalink)
Doom AND Minecraft
atmbomber · 3 points · Posted at 00:55:08 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Kubrickey Mouse
retina99 · 3 points · Posted at 00:59:52 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
First version of Doom.
Triffalger · 3 points · Posted at 01:56:21 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
I don't remember this dungeon in Phantasy Star
Phroday · 1 points · Posted at 02:44:46 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Oh thank you. I thought this too and everyone else is saying Doom and Wolf.
Hege_99 · 3 points · Posted at 08:08:48 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Ghostemane
o_higgy · 2 points · Posted at 21:59:40 on January 16, 2019 · (Permalink)
r/disneygifs
Kolkhoz · 2 points · Posted at 22:30:44 on January 16, 2019 · (Permalink)
Needs a perfect loop and a screen saver
SixtyEffPeeEss · 2 points · Posted at 23:53:26 on January 16, 2019 · (Permalink)
Reminds me of the game "Scarab of Ra"
blksome · 2 points · Posted at 00:09:16 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
r/interestingasfuck ?
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 00:18:08 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Is this the ending to Kingdom Hearts 3?
wheeler1432 · 2 points · Posted at 01:02:37 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
A lot of animation in that era is really trippy.
the_bass_saxophone · 2 points · Posted at 01:42:53 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
when there was a severe depression on, there were very few outlets for trippiness *other* than the cartoons. music, for example, had to be sentimental and/or danceable because the business was in such terrible shape (delaying the swing era by several years). live-action movies could be salacious or violent or wacky, but *not* surreal, because it didn't pay.
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 01:07:14 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Looks like the start of Oblivion.
KylesGoneWild · 1 points · Posted at 02:13:23 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Exactly what I thought! I love that game, I have a hard time getting back into it though.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 05:05:34 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Thats what you need 347 mods for.
MAGAsm69 · 1 points · Posted at 06:40:20 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Exactly what I thought. Same spot where you turn left and release the stacked logs that fall on the goblin below.
boxoffire · 2 points · Posted at 01:09:08 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
The new Wolfenstien DLC is looking great
Ner1d · 2 points · Posted at 01:11:04 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Linear perspective; perfected during the Renaissance
zombi-roboto · 2 points · Posted at 01:13:55 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Early concept art for Tomb Raider?
angleglj · 2 points · Posted at 01:18:46 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Mickey looking for Sasuke in Orochimaru’s lair.
Thanzo · 2 points · Posted at 01:33:46 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Cuphead 1st person shooter in this style?
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 01:34:37 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Ah, yes. The earliest version of Doom
BissXD · 2 points · Posted at 01:40:44 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Disney invented Doom
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 02:41:14 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Boris brejcha
Howtofightloneliness · 2 points · Posted at 02:41:30 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Why did they always make the one brick a different color that was going to be interacted with?
Nayro · 2 points · Posted at 02:44:13 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Ive been playing to much Minecraft. Im looking at the walls wondering what kind of block they are. lol
thefourohfour · 2 points · Posted at 03:02:20 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Mickeywolfenstein 3D, woah.
GryphonGuitar · 2 points · Posted at 07:38:34 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Man, I'm getting major 'Cuphead style FPS' vibes here. I'd play that!
MentalUproar · 2 points · Posted at 15:54:42 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
I remember being impressed by flying toasters
Thomasina_ZEBR · 2 points · Posted at 19:53:35 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Mousenstein 3D
stitchkingdom · 4 points · Posted at 22:58:27 on January 16, 2019 · (Permalink)
I dunno. Feels a bit forced to me.
HawaiianBrian · 1 points · Posted at 01:17:58 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
You just need to have more perspective.
cro1ssant_man · 2 points · Posted at 19:44:08 on January 16, 2019 · (Permalink)
That ending makes me uncomfortable
watching7708 · 2 points · Posted at 22:33:10 on January 16, 2019 · (Permalink)
Mmmm that mouse butt
joshuamentor · 2 points · Posted at 22:41:48 on January 16, 2019 · (Permalink)
I really enjoy these old cartoon with techno music played over them. The Mad Doctor
d4edalus99 · 1 points · Posted at 00:06:28 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
This is amazing I stumbled on it on a late night YouTube rabbit hole and couldn't remember the artist. You've made my week. Thank you
Tsenraem · 2 points · Posted at 23:41:29 on January 16, 2019 · (Permalink)
Even that was better than Virtual Boy.
acco4321 · 1 points · Posted at 22:58:18 on January 16, 2019 · (Permalink)
Woah! That's cool.
Norway313 · 1 points · Posted at 23:41:05 on January 16, 2019 · (Permalink)
That day, Mickey learned the dangers of urban exploration
aaroncoolguy · 1 points · Posted at 23:49:16 on January 16, 2019 · (Permalink)
The turn makes me feel things
ChillKyle · 1 points · Posted at 23:52:43 on January 16, 2019 · (Permalink)
Reminds me of the Windows 98 maze screensaver.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 00:00:39 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Did people freak out when they saw this?
laters_potaters · 1 points · Posted at 00:03:06 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
This is how they do “moving” scenes in the stage show of Les Mis. Super impressive to seem like everything is moving with just a projection on the screen.
avaze95 · 1 points · Posted at 00:04:08 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
The first thing came to my mind after watching this was the bed of chaos boss fight from the dark souls.
Wtf is wrong with me?
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 00:11:12 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Wow the new Doom is looking great!
v-gun · 1 points · Posted at 00:14:54 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Looks almost like Doom
superhighcompression · 1 points · Posted at 00:16:55 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Feels like the Indiana Jones ride in Disneyland
rdldr1 · 1 points · Posted at 00:21:21 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
This is my favorite Windows screensaver
egoldfarb96 · 1 points · Posted at 00:24:04 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
What it’s like walking into a new school
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 00:39:40 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Wait why is it so smooth? Is this not hand animated?
Nastapoka · 2 points · Posted at 00:44:10 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Yes, and? They drew many pictures, and used geometry to get the perspective right
Rutgerman95 · 1 points · Posted at 00:41:44 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
The perspective somehow makes me think of a classic DOOM level. Anyone made this a mod yet?
gswkillinit · 1 points · Posted at 00:44:54 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Does this have anything to do with their utilization of multiplane camera? Reminds me of that.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 00:46:16 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
OMG this bought back memories of Asheron’s Call dungeon crawls.
Bunch_of_Shit · 1 points · Posted at 00:47:24 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
That's some quality animation right there. Amazing.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 00:52:48 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Makes me want to toss around some proximity mines.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 01:05:00 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Now that's what I call an animation What happened to the world???
NeedASentryHere_ · 1 points · Posted at 01:05:50 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Woah
Orange_Cum_Dog_Slime · 1 points · Posted at 01:05:56 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
OMG, I read that as "1993" like four times in a row and was like how is this possible.
h4wkeyepierce · 1 points · Posted at 01:08:49 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
There used to be a Mickey Mouse, Sega Genesis game with a level like this. I miss those classic games.
PorkPiesForDays · 1 points · Posted at 01:12:28 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Can’t wait for Cuphead 2 to look like this!
Moonbeam_Dreams · 1 points · Posted at 01:22:55 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
For some reason, I'm having Daggerfall flashbacks
aclass46 · 1 points · Posted at 01:32:23 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Whoever produced this deserves to be famous
Isaac_Shepard · 1 points · Posted at 01:45:35 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
uh... uhm... hmm...
NC-Stern-Mark · 1 points · Posted at 01:41:58 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Was thinking Doom and its all the comments!
Nothing is really new.
Atomicduck_ · 1 points · Posted at 01:47:02 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
This is a fair effort for the technology that they had back in the day
GreenFox1505 · 1 points · Posted at 01:52:54 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
I wonder if this was done mathematically. Computer graphics today work by doing some math to points in 3d space to see where they lay on the screen. I wonder if they did that, but by hand.
sailorjasm · 1 points · Posted at 01:56:13 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
What is the show ?
NuncErgoFacite · 1 points · Posted at 01:58:41 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
This needs to be a screen saver.
KrispyTaders · 1 points · Posted at 02:00:10 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Did wolfenstein and doom use this as inspiration by any chance? Or was this just a common thing
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 02:01:47 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
I can hear underground rap music.
Tarcos · 1 points · Posted at 02:05:06 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
This level in mickey mania was so darn fun.
CallMeJesus12407448 · 1 points · Posted at 02:07:14 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Disney skill back then was quite impressed for it time.
Netsurfin · 1 points · Posted at 02:11:48 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
This gif reminds me of this video, this small scene is around 1:32 https://youtu.be/WddpRmmAYkg
Pipoxo · 1 points · Posted at 02:12:58 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
r/animation
CheeseMaster75 · 1 points · Posted at 02:13:40 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
RIP Mickey
Cocopuffzilla · 1 points · Posted at 02:18:59 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
This CGI sucks
Well_Read_Redneck · 1 points · Posted at 02:23:27 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
"Careful, Itchy! He's Irish!"
11Shareef · 1 points · Posted at 02:33:24 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
This is fascinating
Cheekylet · 1 points · Posted at 02:34:30 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Not bad.
KY-Belly · 1 points · Posted at 03:31:09 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Goldeneye 007
jholla_albologne · 1 points · Posted at 03:53:11 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Pure nightmare fuel. They used to do a Halloween special in the early 90s that had a bunch of old creepy B&W Disney cartoons set to songs like Bad Moon Rising. Scared the shit out me as a kid. Those damned dancing skeletons.
PlinioKZ · 1 points · Posted at 03:55:04 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Reminded me of Doom 1996
eatMYcookieCRUMBS · 1 points · Posted at 04:14:03 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
The first dungeon in Daggerfall.
matmac9 · 1 points · Posted at 04:23:21 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Isnt that segment is on the nihil song
recover_reengage · 1 points · Posted at 04:55:24 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Hmmm the year Hitler came to power. Coincidence much?
jzmacdaddy · 1 points · Posted at 05:12:35 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
That Doom level sucks.
JimBowen100 · 1 points · Posted at 07:36:21 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
r/accidentalgoldeneye
SamsungVR_User · 1 points · Posted at 10:12:16 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
wtf
prog_rockk · 1 points · Posted at 12:00:43 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Reminds me of the windows 95 maze screen saver
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 12:04:12 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
It's incredible how well animators used to be back then. I guess it's because they didn't have the help of computers to do what they wanted, so they were able to be paid to go into such detail and spend a lot of time analyzing how 3D works on a 2D space.
I saw one of the Chevrolet videos that you see on YouTube (like the differential or transmission ones) where they show the improtance of oil in an engine. The animations were ridiculously detailed and they even drew essentially 3D cut-outs and made all the physics work and make sense. It's nuts.
wengxyu · 1 points · Posted at 12:53:48 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Tomb Raider played by Mickey
Eve_Vickee · 1 points · Posted at 13:29:59 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
This gives me claustrophobia
YZXFILE · 1 points · Posted at 13:31:12 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Great film
ninjacatgamer · 1 points · Posted at 15:50:39 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Is this the windows screensaver?
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 17:01:10 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Starfox
MMZ_Thumper · 1 points · Posted at 15:25:18 on January 18, 2019 · (Permalink)
Hand drawn 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯
Rocko9999 · 1 points · Posted at 22:55:56 on January 16, 2019 · (Permalink)
http://www.angelfire.com/empire/infinity_dreams/misc/images/wolf3d0.gif
omni222 · 6 points · Posted at 23:01:55 on January 16, 2019 · (Permalink)
Friend, Angelfire has been around for 20 years, and they have never allowed hotlinking to images.
Get it together.
Also Anglefire.com used to be a porn site.
synwave2311 · 2 points · Posted at 01:50:11 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
lol wat
KevinKasperCole · 1 points · Posted at 02:28:00 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
R/oldschoolcool
frankzanzibar · 0 points · Posted at 21:58:01 on January 16, 2019 · (Permalink)
Give that Mouse a shotgun!
SuperCTC · 0 points · Posted at 22:48:25 on January 16, 2019 · (Permalink)
The best use 👌(https://youtu.be/Hp4AanxpAKU)
Murrbag · 0 points · Posted at 23:08:19 on January 16, 2019 · (Permalink)
👻👨
notyouraverageautist · 0 points · Posted at 23:54:16 on January 16, 2019 · (Permalink)
Ghostmane?
BeeGravy · 0 points · Posted at 00:24:20 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Clearly Ghostemane will use this in his next video.
TheDevirgination · 1 points · Posted at 00:46:46 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
It’s already been used in NIHIL?
BeeGravy · 0 points · Posted at 01:37:18 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Has it? My bad.
TheDevirgination · 0 points · Posted at 01:37:52 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
You’re good, most of the people that commented it were pretty close to the bottom of the list, so I don’t blame you if you didn’t see it
BeeGravy · 0 points · Posted at 02:43:01 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
I scrolled pretty far down and no sight.
I've seen the video too, just mostly remember the doors and the weird pig face lol.
On the plus side just listened to lots of great music
DoomMarine87 · 0 points · Posted at 01:56:21 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Ah yes, the hidden E1M0 map from doom.
Zombies637 · 0 points · Posted at 01:57:48 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
I just hear ghostmane while watching this
Kaltvene · 0 points · Posted at 02:38:30 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
I don't remember seeing this ending in Bandersnatch.
andymaq · 0 points · Posted at 02:40:06 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
This goes so well with those chillwave/trip-hop live streams on YouTube.
SnakeyRake · 0 points · Posted at 02:40:49 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Castle Wolfenstein, 1933 edition.
roby_soft · 0 points · Posted at 02:41:22 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Mickey’s Wolfestein
RagingAesthetic · 0 points · Posted at 02:42:09 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
I thought this was going to be the Nihil music video
AChineseTourist · 0 points · Posted at 03:11:30 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Getting flashbacks of Daggerfall dungeons...
420_Lsd · -1 points · Posted at 23:41:14 on January 16, 2019 · (Permalink)
It might be weird but this goes really well with post Malone’s new song wow.
Vercerigo · -1 points · Posted at 02:25:54 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Ghost mane, anyone?
Resevordg · -12 points · Posted at 21:20:46 on January 16, 2019 · (Permalink)
This looks like Minecraft!
forbid89 · 6 points · Posted at 21:52:20 on January 16, 2019 · (Permalink)
No it doesn't
PsychohistorySeldon · -7 points · Posted at 22:04:19 on January 16, 2019 · (Permalink)
Yes it does
forbid89 · 6 points · Posted at 22:06:32 on January 16, 2019 · (Permalink)
I respectively disagree
EhAhKen · -1 points · Posted at 02:01:53 on January 17, 2019 · (Permalink)
Arguably this was first so minecraft looks like thia