Skoot99 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:22:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm running a Moto X (2014). Anxiously awaiting a OnePlus 3 in the mail. While I know I could have used this phone for another year and probably been happy(aside from the 16gb storage that's really ~8gb and the crappy camera) the OP3 definitely seemed like a worthy upgrade.
Within the Moto family, the Moto g4 Plus was definitely in the running.
tadadaaa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:55:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
moto g4 has it.
ladut ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:56:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly it's not that bad. I just keep the dongle on my headphones.
The 20-minutes to near full charge is kinda awesome.
They merged Motorola into their own smartphone division and the Moto Z they released this year to succeed the Moto X eliminated the 3.5mm jack in favor of a bundled adapter dongle for the USB Type-C port. Their new Moto G4 was also reviewed as having clumsy design (huge chin w/ fingerprint sensor that looks like but isn't a home button) and very poorly optimized software with stuttery performance. It was very apparent Lenovo set out to make a phone with marketable high specs on paper instead of focusing on designing the best possible user experience at an affordable price point, which was what the Moto G was the benchmark for back when Motorola designed it.
Didn't know they had moved to android to be fair... but makes sense as their own OS was a shambles. The company's real value these days lies in a bunch of other softwares & IP licenses... seems pretty ripe for someone to acquire them IMO
Sagaci ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:56:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Like when Sony Playstation did that how to share games with friends during the release of Xbox One and the PS4 to mock Xbox One on their planned no sharing games? XD
Zilveari ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:06:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Within the next year there will be an Android phone without a headphone jack. And most likely it will be the Galaxy S8, since Samsung has been thinking about removing it as well. This gives them the incentive.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:38:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Zilveari ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:46:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You obviously don't understand Samsung. Overpriced hardware with shit software, and let the service providers own their devices instead of letting the consumer own them. All they care about is making shit thinner, and stupider.
mydoobie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:46:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean I don't care if android fans have something I don't, I'm willing to try the new thing and give it a chance, if it sucks, but generally Apple changes are just behavioral adjustments.
Actually, you fucking are. This is a minuscule, free adapter that's added to the end of your headphone cable. But you've all soiled yourselves over it.
Meanwhile, the new iPhone has a 14% larger battery, adding to the already excellent performance per unit of power of iPhones.
its ok man, don't be cross about it. You will get the same technology on your phone 2 years, ofc with a myriad of accessories that you can only buy through apple for an exorbitant price.
so it has just slipped by you apparently that iPhone has been a generation behind an a lot of useful mobile device functionalities, in multiple iterations of the iPhone? Oh yeah it would because you just by iPhone because its the iPhone. IPhone has had only one thing over android for pretty much the entirety of the mobile device arms race, the size of the app store.
I'm gunna stick my fingers in my ears and yell "I know you are but what am I?" until you go away
FTFY
MoesBAR ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:56:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Really? You're gonna brag about how Apple designed their new iPhone to work best with wireless earbuds you have to buy separately for an extra $160 and are just begging to pop out of your ear and stepped on by strangers when youre in a rush?
So what? Nobody has to buy them to listen to audio on an iPhone.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:20:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If the new iPhone doesn't have an audio jack, and only uses wireless headphones, how else do they listen to audio on the iPhone without playing it through their speakers? People already frown upon this, so people use headphones to not bother the surrounding public. It just seems like a petty cash grab for Apple since they know many people will buy the latest and greatest, you know? They're making a phone that can only be used with their own special $160 headphones, correct? It seems like people WILL have to buy them to listen to audio on an iPhone without being "that person" who plays their music through the phone speaker.
how else do they listen to audio on the iPhone without playing it through their speakers?
A small adapter that comes free with the phone. Any headphones. The universe doesn't change one bit. But Android fanboys are losing their fucking minds about it. Go figure.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:53:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ahh, okay! I was unaware of the adapter. I guess my FB has been blown up by the "wireless" aspect of it rather than the possibility that it is staying compatible with regular headphones.
Just like the amount of licks it takes to get to get to the center of a tootsie pop.
The world may never know.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:09:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maaattte hold up the size of a 3.5 jack does not add up to a 14% increase in battery either they are using better bateries in general or they arnt 14% better. You lost a headphone jack for nothing...
Also fuck having a goddamn adaptor for headphones its just another point for something to go wrong amd fuck up so you need to spend more money...
Lucas-RS ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:00:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Phone dies mid way through show. Gotta wait 10 mins for enough battery to finish episode... End up going to bed ten minutes than your Android counterpart.
Dude, common. It doesn't matter what type of phone you have... its literally just an operating system. Phone batteries die when they get used. The more assets a phone is using, the faster it dies. Apple dosent have a magic "battery saving os" and neither does anyone else. You can defend your favorite phone all you want, but in the end... its just a mobile operating system on a mobile computer. At their core, all phones work the same way. They use a cpu and gpu for processing and ram as well as disk space for storage and aid in processing. That's it man. You don't need to be an ass to people...
Apple could have at least given you a reach around as they fucked you in the ass, instead Apple just zips up and leaves like your dear Ole dad did when you were a little boy.
The irony here is that Apple is logging and extrapolating as much data as possible from you at any given moment, yet all Android phones are "key loggers"
What if my phone is almost dead? What if I fall asleep during the show? Removing the headphone jack is a really big inconvenience for most people in my opinion.
Quick get your popcorn there is enough for everybody
Ricelyfe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:45:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We all know the adapter isn't going to last....then you gotta pay $9 for a new one. Tbh nothing is going to change in terms of users,people who are more tech savvy or on a budget are gonna go to android, everyone else who wants to fit in with the masses will go with the iPhone. At this point there aren't many more real gamechanging improvements to be made,just the same features rebranded.
This is a minuscule, free adapter that's added to the end of your headphone cable. But you've all soiled yourselves over it.
This is a fine point that I more or less agree with.
Meanwhile, the new iPhone has a 14% larger battery, adding to the already excellent performance per unit of power of iPhones.
This is just weird. Bringing the battery increase into the conversation might make sense if that battery size would seem impressive when compared to most phones on the market, and if every single vendor didn't incrementally increase their battery size with every model.
Also, increasing the size of the battery doesn't actually do anything to the performance per unit of power.
I don't much care for the Android vs iPhone thing, but I do feel pain whenever any company, with a reach to influence the market, ditches well established international standards without the possibility of it leading to new and better standards.
But, that's irrelevant.
I'm just generally salty about the Apple's disgusting disregard for standards.
The fact that, when I go on a trip with my Nexus 6P, iPhone 5S (for work) and my old but gold Nokia BH-905 headphones, I have to take three separate chargers/adapters just because Nokia was (back in 2008) and Apple is still unable to follow basic hardware design etiquette.
We can only hope that the combined pressure from the USB Implementers Forum and the new EU legislation will be enough to push Apple over, that when the law comes into effect next year โ
Rather than replace the Lightning cable, though, Apple suggested it would instead introduce a Lightning-to-Micro-USB adapter.
But, that's irrelevant.
Really. Your comment about standards in a thread about the audio port.
Apple is still unable to follow basic hardware design etiquette
Unable? Apple ushered in USB with the iMac. Apple contributed substantially to the design of USB-C. Apple keyboards, phones, watches and other devices use Bluetooth.
You Apple bashers aren't impeded by the facts, are you?
It's fucking inane how much you people care about A FUCKING CABLE FOR YOUR PHONE WHICH CAME FREE WITH YOUR PHONE.
Holy fuck. The only thing more shocking is that I'm wasting precious moments of my life on this brain-rottingly stupid shit.
Every Apple basher (and I'm old enough to have known your equally inane predecessors) was foaming at the mouth about how Apple was removing ports, and going with this completely obscure USB thing. It made headlines, and as the iMac became a hit and a cultural phenomenon (as far as computers go), peripherals went from non-existent to very common. Of course, USB may have been successful anyway, but this is a totally fair use of the term. Apple enthusiastically pushed a standard it thought was better, and removed those it felt were archaic. Just like it's doing now.
And I'm sure they knew you inane, "Calvin Pissing" Android fanboys would be flipping the fuck out about it. I think it pisses you guys off even more because Apple clearly doesn't give a shit what your slice of humanity thinks. In fact, if you're jumping up and down, they're on the right track.
No jumping here. I'm laughing myself silly at everything Apple. It never made headlines. No one cared about apple back then. iMac was never a 'phenomenon'. I don't recall apple ever getting beyond 10% marketshare until the ipad/iphone. Usb was popularized by everyone PC.
You're just wrong. In the tech world, the iMac had a big impact, and the USB port was the sujet du jour among people who care about such things.
The description of this author, while using animated language, is essentially true:
But Apple shocked the computing world when it swept its old connectors away with the original 1998 iMac. The bulbous computer adopted a then-struggling standard developed by Intel called USB (Universal Serial Bus).
As an Android fanboy, it's not that you disagree with the facts, it's that the facts are irrelevant.
It's really this simple. Count the units sold. Pc vs apple. Apple had no real prescence in 98 as anything but a fringe computer for people who weren't tech savvy like artists and musicians. No one cared but them and the apple fanboys. The mainstream always was and will be pc. 4% market share in '98 means apple has zero influence.
No one's going to dump the earphone jack. We're all laughing at apple trying too hard to be relevant, and failing miserably. Apple tech is overpriced, emaciated boredom that makes a lot of noise then fades back into it's obcure little niche.
The iphone and only the iphone has kept the company afloat. But now they aren't the only game in town, nor are their self inflated opinions even important.
They've just shown the world they are as clueless as ever and just another tech company lerching from one mistake to the next. This is the start of them fading back into obscurity. There's too many other choices. Better choices.
You're a stock market analyst now? You're going to connect Apple's stock to your inane opinion? You think I'm going to open yet another line of bullshit, where you tell yourself what Apple's stock has to do with your baseless position? Question: which one of us has stayed on point? That should give you a hint as to why you're hand waving about Apple's stock: you know you're full of shit somewhere in the recesses of that vacuous mind of yours.
It's fascinating how much you illustrate an offhanded remark by the psychologist Steven Pinker: people don't think on the basis of what's true. They draw conclusions based on what makes them feel good, what would make the world a better place if it was true, what it says about them when they think it.
The latter is the highest priority for you, clearly.
You know why comments like mine on Reddit are so rare? Because Mac users don't give a shit what you think.
They would only stop to wonder why I'm stopping to argue with one of they myriad Android fanboys with middling IQs on Reddit.
I guess it feels good to scratch the itch when people say brain-rottingly stupid shit, but still, they'd be right. Talking with someone who can utter the claim that Apple had "zero" influence when they released the original iMac without being profoundly embarrassed for himself is not so much satisfying as it is kind of sad. Even a little disturbing. Like watching someone standing there with a smile as they wet their pants.
Really. Your comment about standards in a thread about the audio port.
It really wasn't any worse than yours about the battery.
Apple keyboards, phones, watches and other devices use Bluetooth.
All keyboards, phones, watches and other devices use Bluetooth.
It's fucking inane how much you people care about A FUCKING CABLE FOR YOUR PHONE WHICH CAME FREE WITH YOUR PHONE.
It means much more than a simple cable. For me, it means the ability to easily transfer data between my two phones using a flash drive and ability to use the same external keyboard with both phones. These needs aren't common, but having the main port in your device conform to a standard has countless benefits.
It isn't even about which port or protocol is better, it's about everyone being able to agree on what to use. Having less barriers between the products of different companies is obviously better for the end customer. Surely you have to agree, that the more devices you could connect to your iPhone the better.
But it'll be important to include a trigger warning, since Android fanboys will be scarred by the sight of a minuscule adapter attached to their headphone cable.
skoffs ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 04:24:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, why you so salty?
"Oh no, people like Android devices and dislike iPhones! I must rush to defend Apple's honor by calling them fanboys!"
stevenmc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:06:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's the old Google logo.
barosa ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:59:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How do you sync it though?
On the mac air phones, you just have to charge the case, and then open the case, click sync on the phone, then find the button on the case, and then click that and then it's synced. Couldn't be any simpler, that's what the presenter assured me.
zvoidx ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:30:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
that's like the old fool at my work he doesn't do shit but follow me around and tell me random ass stories non stop he will literally follow me into the restroom.
You just have to go to /new, say what the reddit narrative wants to hear and watch as your karma increases because you got the thread first and said what everyone wanted to say, but were too slow, so they upvote you. Usually nets a few hundred unless it's a front page post at which point you get into the thousands.
But then you're an hour too late grokking the zeitgeist.
You need to strangle that fucker in his crib, first chance you get.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:35:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Look at his top posts per month. Collect a bunch of gifs and sort them well on your computer. Whenever you see an instance where one of them is even slightly relevant, throw it in. Gifs are the easiest way, much more so than text. Not hating on Donald btw, most karmawhores do this.
His gif game is on point! Looking at his history, he clearly posts words too but whenever I see a gif battle or a great gif...there's a good chance Mr. Keyman is involved.
If you really want a lot of karma, you just comment at peak hours on rising posts. It has very little to do with the intelligence, importance, etc. of your actual comment itself.
There's an account that shall remain nameless that almost exclusively shit posts about anyone critical of Clinton being a literal Russian spy (not that I'm defending any candidate, but I don't think critics are literally spies for Putin or whatever), trolls incessantly, is banned from commenting in half the subs they post in, and is generally down voted into oblivion any time they comment in a sub that isn't for deeply disturbed trolls.
They have over 1 million karma. The longer I'm here, the more I see that the lunatics run the asylum.
saranshk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:53:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
HE'S DONALD FUCKING KEYMAN YOU PEASANT SHOULDNT YOU BE SHUFFLING DIRT IN YOUR NO NAME HOVEL WITH YOUR UNREMARKABLE WIFE AND SLIGHTLY BELOW AVERAGE NEVER-AMOUNT-TO-NOTHING CHILDREN? DONALD DOES WHAT HE WANTS CAUSE HE'S THE OPPOSITE OF YOU - HE ACTUALLY MATTERS. YOU MAKE ME AND DONALD KEYMAN SICK WHATEVER YOUR NAME IS.
That day lost Microsoft the console war for this generation. What a colossal blunder.
Rejusu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:45:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lost the battle sure, the wars got a few more years in it though. They can and likely will recover. The PS3 launch was just as colossal a blunder if not more so (five hundred and ninety nine US dollars!) and it pulled it back to end the generation on more or less even footing with the 360. And before any accusations are made about my allegiances (by anyone) I'm primarily a PC gamer and have owned all four generations of PlayStation and zero Xboxs.
KlossN ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:43:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jokes on them I buy all my games digitally so I can't share them anyway... no wait
no1dead ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:38:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And short memories like yours are what those fools at Microsoft were relying on. The early announcement had the console on constantly active DRM mode, and game sharing required a 30-day Live friends requirement, among other conflicting news releases.
We're not talking about the machine as you know it, because even Microsoft listened to the backlash. Except you. You didn't, or forgot.
no1dead ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 04:37:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah it also let you share games with 10 people.
Oh let's not forget. Sony did the same thing. Just backed out last minute. They literally didn't have the day one update out when they announced that.
How about, if it works for most people, why should we care about the very small minority that for some reason can't access the internet once every 24hrs.
But besides that, choosing a home Xbox console (like we have now) would solve that issue. You'd only need to have the checks if you were the one borrowing the game. Which seems like a fair trade.
Microsoft pulled the feature, no one else. Microsoft even said they may introduce it later, and apparently they haven't. No one was up in arms over being able to share with 10 people. Your insistence that it can still be done even without the always online restriction only reinforces that Microsoft doesn't want to do it, it says nothing about anyone criticizing the proposed always online functionality of the Xbox One. You keep bringing it up like it's the fault of everyone else, when it rests entirely on Microsoft's shoulders.
Also, how do you know "it works for most people"? Apparently it didn't sit well with enough people that Microsoft reversed it within something like a week of announcing it because they were afraid of losing sales.
You're also being extremely shortsighted to assume that always online only rests on your own connection. Always online DRM has a horrible reputation for a reason, because many developers/publishers have abused it and screwed over consumers by shutting down authentication servers while people are still playing their games, making the games unplayable. The original Xbox stopped being supported by Xbox Live in 2010, if it had always online DRM, it would functionally be a brick unless they released an update that turned off the DRM. Since you'll likely say that it doesn't matter because it's an old system that nobody played anymore, well that's again shortsighted of you. It's merely an example of how a console stopped receiving online support, whereas theoretically they could end support at any time for any reason. They would never do that you say? That's what everyone says when any always online DRM game gets shut down early. They'd never do it, until they do.
Xbox had planned to have a share system similar to what Steam has.
They were intentionally vague the entire time about the details of the sharing system though. The vagueness in combination with the other restrictions that they were attempting to introduce seemed pretty shady. They didn't detail how the sharing feature would work, and it was only after they canned it that they would even start to release details of how it would supposedly have worked, but at that point they could say whatever they wanted because it was already scrapped.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:03:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't say the Neo was "meh". The lack of 4K Bluray is very unfortunate, but beyond that you'd be paying $350 for an equivalent Xbox One S 1TB. An extra $50 for what the PS4 Pro offers is very enticing to people who haven't picked a console camp yet.
Holy shit what? Sony, the ones that made the original Console/BluRay player? Damn.
siegewolf ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:22:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Greatest games.
When did the Xbox get The Last of Us, Bloodborne, and Uncharted 4?
Oh...they didn't. I've been using my xbox one as a glorified emulator. The only titles I own are the halo collection that came with the console and Rare Replay. The PS4...well I have The Last of Us, Bloodborne, and Uncharted 4
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:37:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was a massive Xbox fan and I regret getting my Xbox One.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:10:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
How's that even antagonistic in any way? The PS4 Slim has better games, is smaller and does HDR for the same price. Only thing it's missing is 4K bluray.
Goldy84 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:21:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Better games is entirely subjective.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:25:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly, just like how "Greatest Games" is very subjective in the Xbox tweet.
Dan_Ugore ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 02:04:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same, That was godlike. Sony destroyed that conference.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 04:04:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One of my favorite goddamn E3 conferences of all time. The total smugness, laughter and applause from the crowd each time the Sony presenters would bring up how they were doing what the Xbox wasn't was palpable. It was total annihilation.
Rejusu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:52:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was especially hilarious because of what a role reversal it was from the E3 when they revealed the PS3. This time it was Sony who had their shit together while Microsoft lost the plot. I honestly don't know how MS screwed it up so badly. Did they look at that past E3 and say "yeah we want to emulate Sony on this one"?
Lol it's wasn't even true tho.... So I would definitely be surprised if that ad was what caused then to get rid of it.
Rejusu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:57:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
True or not it didn't matter. The truth is less relevant than what customers think is true. And because Microsoft did such an atrocious job of communicating details about the Xbox One (especially in relation to its DRM features) often contradicting themselves on the matter they left themselves open to being stung by propaganda like this.
How so? If you mean it is/was more complicated than that to share games on PS4... well, I was unaware. I haven't made the leap into PS4 territory yet and didn't pay as close of attention to their initial conferences as I have a heavy preference for Xbox.
If you mean it wasn't true on the Xbox side, it didn't have to be. I know their initial policy allowed for sharing games, but it required more than just handing the disc to someone and had restrictions, which confused and/or upset a lot of the fan base. Then the conflicting comments and answers by various members of the team only made it worse.
Basically from how I understand it, it was like how steam shares it's games. The only reason people hated it cause there would be no more physical copies and you couldn't sell your games to a third party store (like to gamestop for credit).
Except physical copies were still a thing from the start. If memory serves the problem was that each disc was tied to an account, you could only lend the game to a certain number of people, it was up to the developers/publishers to decide how much of the game someone borrowing it could play, and the resale value of discs would be driven down by the fact the the store or the next person to buy the game would essentially have to buy back the original lisence from MS. Now bits of that could be a bit off because, as I said, there were a lot of conflicting answers being given around that time.
MrGMinor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:01:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Now Microsoft is completely open for an opportunity to get back at them. Show someone inserting a UHD blu-ray and say "Xbox Exclusive".
muzakx ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 03:44:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Microsoft was planning to include "Used Game DRM" on their console. Essentially locking a physical disc copy to the first system it is inserted into. There was a huge uproar in the gaming community.
Sony capitalized on the situation. They issued a statement that they were not planning to add anything like that to the PS4, and followed it up with the video posted above.
Microsoft back pedaled, and retracted their plans for the "Used Game DRM".
uss1701jb ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 05:47:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This was at E3 too, so this was literally made in a few hours before the Sony event
DRM would have been fucking fantastic too. Idc if idiots who cant think critically downvote me.
Rejusu ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:11:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The merits of a system like the one MS wanted to introduce are understandable in theory. And yes many people refused to think critically and see those merits, but naturally those seeing the merits often refused to see the downsides too. I think you're giving your own critical thinking skills too much credit though if you trusted Microsoft to implement a DRM system that benefitted the end user when the impression they gave was that they had no clear idea how such a system would work.
The fact there was DRM wasn't the problem with what they were trying to do, it was their inability to communicate a clear vision of it.
Ayoza ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:05:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can't go to in depth cause I need to leave for class. But games would have been cheaper to buy new. Game developers wouldn't be struggling so bad and going under left and right(maybe I would've gotten a Darksiders 3...). And they had a family feature where you could put 10 people into a group and if one person in the group has the game, everyone in the group can share it.
If you think that would have made AAA game developers release anything under $60, think again. Why lower their profits if people will still buy the product anyways? Except now, every idiot will have to get it, effectively making them even more money. It was an awful move on Microsoft's part.
Fgtfv567 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:55:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Samsung joked about it during the note 7 reveal and Google might do the same for the Pixel phones in early October
Sasswell ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:17:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This was before the iPhone was even released and it's happened.. Oneplus also took a pop on facebook
OnePlus is marketing their new phone (the OnePlus 3) by saying it's got a very nice 3.5mm audio jack that works perfectly.
And, well, theyre not lying. It's definitely one of the better sounding phones out there.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:33:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like Samsung should do this because they are usually pretty direct about taking on the iPhone in their ads, but knowing them they will probably just copy Apple and also get rid of the headphone jack on their phones too.
Samsung already joked about it at the Galaxy Note 7 announcement, IIRC. They'll for sure tout it, the same way they do expandable memory and LG does with swappable batteries. If people continue to make it known they want a 3.5mm jack, plenty of manufacturers that aren't Apple will continue to include them.
lagspike ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:44:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
remember when apple used to mock pc's for being out of touch?
yeah, this would be the perfect time for that kind of advertising.
mrbooze ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:24:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They could also show a guy listening to music while using his horse to pull a plow.
dbx99 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:27:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Even Steve Wozniak urged against dropping the earphone jack.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:30:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Worked for playstation when xbox decided to take a shit all over their customers at the beginning of this gen... probably going to play out the same way too
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:42:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Goes completely fine with "together, not the same" like usual
Don't worry, Samsung will remove the audio jack with their next phone, then put it back in with the following release praising it as innovation just as they did with the SD slot.
Reminds me of Playstation fucking with XBoX when Microsoft said their console wouldn't allow friends to share discs, then Sony came out with that advertisement of sharing discs being easy.
I mean they do have wireless headphones these days... But I know most of us probably don't have the money to buy wireless headphones so iPhone is being really stupid. Just wait, iPhone is going to release some wireless headphone thing now.
Android is an OS, not a phone/tablet. The hardware specs are up to the manufacturers of the latter, not the former.
Vesane ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:46:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As an ad, it should have a shot of the 3.5 jack going in while thousands of different compatible phones cycle through the spot where the jack is entering.
Same on the other side with the micro-usb charger.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:12:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
orwindowsphone
Huwbacca ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:30:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How do you find time to reddit so much whilst managing Everton?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:22:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Droid does
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:27:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The moto z got rid of it and nobody bitched at all. Reddit is weird sometimes.
It's been the standard for a lot longer than smartphones have been around. I'm sure some will continue to have a 3.5 mm jack, but most are going to ditch it within the next year or two for the same reasons Apple did. It takes up space, and we have other ways of connecting our headphones to devices.
JPJones ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:57:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You say "most are" like you know. Is there some source we're all missing here or are you speculating?
Complete speculation. But, why wouldn't they? Phone manufacturers have likely been thinking about getting rid of the traditional headphone jack for years. Headphones will likely just either move to Bluetooth or a USB connected headphones for those like myself that don't need/want wireless headphones.
[deleted] ยท 1923 points ยท Posted at 01:35:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
The whole "cordless" push Apple has been trying to enforce is just making me buy more cords. I can't tell you how many adapters I had to buy for the new "cordless" MacBook.
I find the removal of the USB ports absolutely ridiculous. In what way is the USB port obsolete? I use it EVERY DAY for multiple devices! Now I need to get a bunch of adapters? And if I want to charge my computer while also using 2 or more USB ports, I need to get a bunch of adapters that plug into one another creating a chain of adapters. And if I also want to plug my computer into my HD screen? Fking forget about it.
Don't worry, apple will either replace it with a lightning port, or else sell you USB-C headphones. Because who on earth wants headphones they can use with both their phone and laptop?
For a truly sleek and magical experience, Apple will be streamlining the macbook by removing the clunky screen, keyboard, internals, and housing. Indistinguishable from air itself, the new macbook unleashes the power of imagination as you pretend you are using a laptop. Unenlightened Android users will insist we sold you an empty cardboard box, but that's just because Android can't capture that Apple magic.
[deleted] ยท 75 points ยท Posted at 06:18:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like you should have thrown a "truly innovative" or something in there.
lkodl ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 08:30:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
he did. you must not be reading from the newest macbook.
geeeeh ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 04:57:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you buy an iPhone 7 and have a MacBook, you'll need to use a 3.5mm to lightning adapter to use normal headphones on an iPhone, and a lightning to 3.5mm adapter to use your new lightning earbuds on your laptop.
Gone are the days of one pair of headphones for everything. Unless you go wireless...in which case, enjoy your degraded audio quality and have fun keeping track of battery life.
5amy ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 05:11:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or you know, stay away from Apple products.
xeromage ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:46:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've been listening to the tech world. The lack of audiojack on the new phone is not really a surprise. I can see them removing it from the small macbooks, but definitely not the pros.
Exactly. I have an iPhone 6 so I'm not really in the best position to bash Apple, but no headphone jack?
How is this even good design. Sounds like the definition of inconvenient.
Good design for them cause it makes them more money
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:33:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably a multi-dongle like the new macbook has for usb-c. I only charge at night so if I were offered the ability to trade my 3.5mm port for IP67 water resist and a bigger battery, I'd do it. I probably won't get the 7 though because I don't want that large of a screen.
They removed the headphone jack??? What a bunch of effing morons. I've hated Apple since the late 90s, and all the Apple fanboys and girls have been driving me nuts ever since. Now I have.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rlqjIYpmIo
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 03:42:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not for people who use computers like you do, though.
Realistically, most people won't have to charge, charge a device through USB, mirror their screen through cables (AirPlay works pretty well, actually), or plug in a flash drive all at the same time. It's not for high-power users, it's for a person who wants a small, light computer for personal use.
[deleted] ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 03:51:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Realistically, most people will have to charge, charge a device through USB, and plug in a flash drive all at the same time.
โฆNot really. A power user, sure. A person who just uses their computer casually (i.e. most people) would not.
Edit For the responses below:
Most students, in my experience at least, would use a cloud service like Google Drive. Apple also says the battery lasts 10 hours, which would mean that if you needed to charge your phone from your laptop, you wouldn't have to have it also plugged in.
Is it ideal? No, I don't think so and personally I wouldn't buy one. But I wouldn't discount it just because I use my computer differently.
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 03:55:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, lets take a typical use case. A student is at a school or college with their laptop. They are sitting in the library. They will want to charge their laptop, charge their cellphone and store their homework on a thumb drive. This student is a power user?
Personally I use Google Drive, but yeah, in effect. The cloud has always been much more convenient for me than a physical medium. If you don't think that, sure, that's fine, the MacBook's just probably not for you.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:01:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I don't think power user was the right term, but someone who uses their computer casually and doesn't rely on it for work and such could probably get by with one port.
Hinari ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:59:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know, if you imagine a highschool girl who will only use the laptop for Instagram and Microsoft Word, using the flash drive for schoolwork while also trying to charge her laptop + phone at the same time doesn't seem like a stretch. I wouldn't call her a power user.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 03:55:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is ridiculous. So now a power user is someone who needs to charge AND use a USB stick? Whoooah, what nerds.
ahyeg ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:57:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Right. And the MacBook isn't for everyone. Like I said, if you can think of a commonplace scenario for you in which it would be impossible to accomplish whatever you want to accomplish without multiple portsโฆ the MacBook's not for you. Plain and simple.
It's not, though. The MacBook line, I'd say, is for everyone, but not the plain MacBook. The MacBook Air would be better for most users -- I'm a software engineer and it's my daily driver. No complaints, honestly.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:06:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Macbook isn't for everyone
No see the problem is it's for almost no one. The kind of person that has a use for such a simplified device doesn't need a retina screen or a 1200$ price tag. The macbook would make a lot of sense as a budget device at 699 with a normal res screen but it's current use case doesn't match its feature set. Everyone, myself included, wanted a retina air, not this thing. Apple doesn't want to cut into pro sales though. Apple has completely lost the plot. They are supposed to be about simple elegance. Dongles are neither of those. On a related note and further proof that they have lost it, where the hell are the new macbooks?
komali_2 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:53:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So, no developer, which is a huge chunk of macbook owners. Just step into an SF cafe, bunch of JS programmers on macbooks.
I think you're missing something. There's MacBook the line, which includes the MacBook Air and the MacBook Pro, both of which have the full lineup of ports. The Air I'm using right now has a power socket, two USB 3 ports (one on each side), a 3.5mm audio jack, a Thunderbolt port, and an SD card reader. One of those are what you'd buy if you needed ports and/or higher specs.
Then there's MacBook the singular computer, which is what we're all talking about. It's this, and it's the one that only has a USB-C and 3.5mm jack.
komali_2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:54:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So pretty much a dodgy smart tv, I could not justify the waste of cash.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 03:54:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. For the average user everything can be backed up on the cloud. I'm in college and don't even have a usb drive anymore. Google drive has everything I need. If you need more ports don't get the damned computer.
Why would you ever trust the cloud with anything you care about? The only safe storage is storage you control, just look at how many stories there are of valuable data getting accidentally wiped by service technicians, and you want to trust drives you can't even see? Plus, what happens the ~30% of the time when you don't have internet access? That's on a good day, mind you, not one where something actually crashes. And you're counting on everything you want to interface with having full access too. As a grad student I'm transferring tons of research data with a computer that doesn't have any internet at all, and when the site to upload lab reports on fails I'm pulling out my flash drives again for the undergrads to put their files on. Get yourself some flash drives, and an external hard drive in case your computer crashes, otherwise you're just setting yourself up for disaster.
Um, 2016? The year when everyone is still complaining about the cost of home internet and mobile data is through the roof, if you can find it? Even on a college campus the wifi drops out between buildings, when you leave, forget it.
I can't say I'm particularly worried about my year old phone blowing up, I wouldn't be that worried even if it was new and a Samsung, but I rarely go anywhere without my laptop so I'd have a copy even if my apartment did burn down. Meanwhile, one unlucky maintenance glitch at any of a half dozen points in the chain and you're in big trouble.
Shmeves ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:32:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean it will sort of force USB C as the standard quicker, which isn't a bad thing.
Seems kinda early though to totally do without a USB A port.
But if you want to force a new standard... you have to have it ADD functionality, not lose it.
So in my opinion, that decision was made so chargers, cords, and such wouldnt be compatible... thus making icloud and adapters more necessary to purchase.
If they wanted to encourage a new standard, they'd get rid of the ridiculous "lightning" cord, and use type-c for their phones.
And that, folks, is why more Galaxy s7's were sold than iPhones. (Samsung was admittedly slow, but their next phone will certainly have type-c... the note 7 did, but lets not talk about that)
Namika ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:34:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For the life of me, I can't understand why the MacBooks charge with USB-C (something normally only for charging phones), and then their phones charge with a proprietary port (which is how most laptops around the world charge, via custom made charing cables). Hmm, Apple, I think you might have mixed up your engineering teams, the USB C was supposed to charge the phone...
Oh, but it's okay, their phones also come with headphones that use the Lightning Port for audio... but their computers all still have standard audio jacks. So someone who fully commits to the Apple ecosystem now has to carry two sets of headphones and two different chargers and charging cables even though one of them is USB C...
Shmeves ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:59:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yes, the way they've gone about this isn't very practical or efficient.
But with time most things will have the USB C port. Might even be possible to power entire Monitors or Tv's with that one cord, as well as passing the Video data AND USB data lines.
I feel like they shouldn't have done without the USB A just yet.
The type of port is not the issue here. No one has anything against USB C. The issue is with the laptop having only one port, which is just idiocy. If they must push USB C, they should just include two USB C ports.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:18:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What in fuck's name? My 2013 MBP feels limited with only 2 USB ports. I regularly use a second monitor, two USB devices (headphones, personal fan), and get annoyed that I can't plug my phone in without unplugging something else.
If I had the new MacBook I would be pissed off.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:00:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then stick with the Pro line. I don't know why people are complaining about something they had control over buying. Only the new Macbook has the single USB-C, and it's all about portability (thing is stuffed with batteries). If you're the type to use multiple USB devices frequently, then you'd stick with an Air or Pro.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:14:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ah okay I wasn't aware of that. Thanks.
NLight7 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:31:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At least it's a universal type of cable and not their own bs hipster cable port.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:50:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At least they actually used a standardized port for once. Credit where credit's due.
Now, why the fuck they thought a single port was sufficient for a laptop will never make sense to me, but, hey, at least that single port is compatible with things that aren't also shitty apple products.
venounan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:25:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
True. I'd have been perfectly happy with three or four of them.
komali_2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:52:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What the fuck, you can't even plug your computer in with an external mouse? or external harddrive? Or while charging your phone? The stupidity is mind boggling. I might as well fucking carry around a kindle fire for how useless such a laptop would be.
Paril101 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:49:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Only one..? I feel like they shouldn't have skimped on the number at least.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:56:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If only other device manufacturers would catch the fuck up and give a fucking 3.1 port hub.
m0rogfar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:13:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, that's insane.
I can kind of understand switching to USB-C because it's a newer and better format, but only having one plug for everything is just stupid.
Rowdy10 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:13:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lightning / 9-pin hasn't ever been on Mac iirc. Just iOS.
Maybe thinking of thunderbolt?
conel0rd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:40:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is absolutely rediculous. I still find myself wanting a disc drive in mine from time to time, but 1 port for everything? How is that more useful than multiple ports to do multiple things at once?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:58:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
that's incredible. you have to eject anything youre using once the battery starts dying, and then cant use it again until the battery is charged up to a halfway-decent amount where you can unplug it again for awhile? Repeat repeat repeat ad nauseum?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:13:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The pro still has 2.
venounan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:25:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but the pro hasn't been updated for like three product cycles right?
venounan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Really none currently. In order to use a USB type A connector you need to get a hub that plugs into the USB type C port on the computer. Which you pretty much have to do if you want to charge and use/do anything else at the same time.
As a Linux user I never heard of something so stupid. But they did it anyways. It's like Apple forgot how useful and fast flash memory was and decided wasteful & inconvenient wireless was the most clever thing ever.
It's not for people who use computers like you do, though.
Realistically, most people won't have to charge, charge a device through USB, mirror their screen through cables (AirPlay works pretty well, actually), or plug in a flash drive all at the same time. It's not for high-power users, it's for a person who wants a small, light computer for personal use.
I mean, if they don't make use of the cloud, I don't think the MacBook is for them. They'd probably want the Air anyway, even considering just the screen size.
I would never, ever let myself be dependent on cloud storage for presentations. I'm severely uncomfortable with the fact that my Alienware only has HDMI and DisplayPort output, and keep debating shelling out for an adapter, even though I do have a second laptop that has the VGA. Actually, it looks like the adapters have come down since I checked a few years ago, so I'll probably get one soon.
Talk to a twelve year old and see the future. Power users are becoming the norm and it's only going to be more and more the case. Apple may be banking on the ultimately smaller demographic with this one.
and I thought my life was hard cuz my ASUS doesn't have a disk drive.
atakomu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:23:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There is a funny video about the reason for that from Apple engineer :)
LeLoLaLu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:09:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is for the 12" Macbook, which is ridiculously small and thin. I don't like it either, but the other macbooks have multiple usb ports, although no USB-C yet. I doubt they will limit those to one port when the new one comes out.
OakLegs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:11:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
WHY DO PEOPLE CONTINUE TO PAY APPLE OUT THE ASS FOR OBJECTIVELY INFERIOR PRODUCTS?
That's kind of the schtick of the Macbook though. It's intended to be incredibly thin and incredibly light. If you know you need ports then don't buy it, there are other Mac models to choose from that do have ports. Macbook Pros are always going to have ports.
I own a Pro, but honestly maybe I've just really bought into the cloud and streaming services more than your average person but I basically never use any of the ports except the HDMI port, and that's pretty rare.
Steve used to show a vision for future, spend a year marketing it for market acceptability, then kill old standard.
Cook kills the standard first, then hope people call it futuristic.
I'm preordering the second it comes out. I haven't used a 3.5mm jack since before 2010, so this change is a positive one for me.
Doxbox49 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:22:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As long as you don't complain about it after you buy it like these idiots
deej852 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:13:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. He has a great point on the stupid removal of USB ports. Then again, he was dumb enough to buy the product so I'm not sure what he's complaining about
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:01:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, he bought a device that is all about portability (it's stuffed with batteries and isn't for people who frequently connect USB devices). Just stick with the Air or Pro lines, don't complain about one single product that has a goal in mind.
EHP42 ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 03:48:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because Apple doesn't care about their customers. They care about their image, and at this point I'm honestly wondering if they're conducting some social experiment to see how ridiculous they can get.
"Hey, let's see how many people we can get to navigate a super long list of songs with a little clicky wheel."
"OK, they ate it up. Now let's try to convince people that 3.5" is the perfect phone screen size and that they're stupid for wanting more."
"OK, now let's create a critically flawed wireless antenna and see if we can get people to admit they're holding the phone wrong."
"Jeez, they're still with us? OK, now let's try to sell a laptop as a business and work solution, but only put one port in it."
"Holy crap, still here? Fine, let's get rid of the headphone adapter and see what happens."
Rindan ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 03:49:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They removed the USB ports on a fucking laptop? Are you shitting me? That is insane. Who the fuck would buy that?
Well they're replacing them with the newer USB-C ports which are superior in every way and will likely replace the older USB standard on all devices and peripherals within the next 5 years or so anyhow. The poblem is that they saw fit to only put a single Type C port on the MacBook so if youre using the MacBook whilst plugged in and charging (up to 100w with the new Type C standard instead of 2.4w max so can now be used to charge laptops) then you can't use any other Type C peripherals or devices with it. If they had put 3 ports on it, one for power, one for a mouse or other peripheral, and one spare for a new Type C thumb drive, then it would have been a good decision ultimately.
jakibaki ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:05:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It has one usb-c port. Not enough for many but not as insane as it would be removing all of them.
GV18 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:28:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most people don't need more than one. You might, but most don't. They also have a separate adapter for when you need more than one. It means the laptop is lighter, and can be made thinner making it lighter again. That's good for consumers.
Logitech Bluetooth mouse. Logitech Bluetooth keyboard. Sony Bluetooth headphones. if anything dies, they're all charged via micro USB so I have chargers that go from the power strip to the base of my monitors.
"Wireless devices temporarily wired. Sorry for the convenience."
-Mitch Hedberg
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:15:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My battery got drained just by reading your comment.
Scarred by the 2000s, will never adopt wireless, ever.
Apple's so powerful they can do this and people will still buy their computers.
samwam ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:28:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's because Apple wants to have the thinnest, most sleek design on the market. They do this by removing all the 'ugly' practical aspects of the computer and pass it off as intelligent design and next-generation simplicity with a single port. Honestly, it's a fucking joke and the consumers are paying for it.
Have you considered that you bought the wrong laptop? I own a MacBook Pro and I basically never use any of the ports. Meanwhile, you bought a laptop with only 1 port and it sounds like you need many ports. Is it really Apple's fault that you bought a computer that doesn't suit your needs when they sell a bunch of computers that do (and for cheaper)?
And yet everything Apple releases is wireless and needs to be charged, so they're removing the ports that they require you to use to charge everything- now even your headphones. I will never ever have all of my electronics charged all at the same time ):
finch221 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:04:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
...but that's obviously why they do it.
sec5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:06:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shut up. Don't hold back the future and good design. You will buy and enjoy this double priced, half functioning device because we said so and because we are innovative. Coz we are Apple and you should care what we think and not vice versa. /s
plays Apple tv ad throwing sledgehammer onto the screen
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:13:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Every other major computer company already announced the switch to USB Type C. It was gonna happen soon anyways. This time Apple is just doing it first. I still think it sucks, I don't have any problem with using the cords I have now. But as they say "don't hate the playa, hate the game"
arktoid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:17:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The new MacBook is not meant for you then, plenty of people charge their computer at night and use it all day long using almost nothing USB. One port is just fine for when they do you need to for something.
Ha, I have like an 8-port USB hub in addition to about 8 other USB devices on my computer...
WiDi fails on my surface 4 pro for school with fire TV, so I use wiredxdisplay and a nexus 5 to put its display "wirelessly" on my monitor.
I got a USB a female-female connector to try to connect more stuff to my mobile devices with wires...
RIP vive and oculus users when they try to use their new Mac that they hijacked a 1080m into...
And wireless charging is a myth. You still plug something into a wall, and I'd prefer to be able to move around with a wire sticking out of my phone than have it magnetically charging on a pad (sorry Samsung)
This is the Windows 8 of Apple. Be prepared for another rise in Android.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:02:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry but you DON'T HAVE to buy said adapters. You chose to purchase the MacBook with only a single port. What did you think? another USB port would appear after a software upgrade.
The machine is designed for individuals who are always on the move and connect to cloud services, Not those share their crap via USB drives.
rubdos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:24:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't get why they didn't take a chance on putting all four sides full of C connectors. That would have been a lot more useful.
jacenat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:26:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In what way is the USB port obsolete?
It isn't. But the user demographic of apple products is very distinct. Their usage and behaviour might not fully align with the general laptop user. My GF certainly doesn't need more than 1 USB port, if she does need one at all. So a single Type C would be totally fine for her. It would be an absolute nightmare for me though.
It has nothing to do with obsoleteness, it has to do with making people buy $1000s of proprietary kit that only works with your apple devices. It's about locking you in for good. It's a life sentence.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:54:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This interview with Apple CEO is still relevant and very insightful.
Yeah the new macbook has only a single USB type C connector. For charging, data, everything.
Sounds like they wanted to be ahead of time a little to early.
Bruntaz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:05:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The thing people interested in tech never seem to realise is that the MacBook is not designed for them. Most people just use the built in keyboard and trackpad and rarely plug stuff into the USB ports. Personally I always have about 3 things plugged into my laptop but also I don't have a MacBook because it's not for me. It's designed for people who want something really portable and don't need much power.
People complaining yet keep buying them. They aren't the only actor on the market. In fact they aren't even the best actor on the market. In fact they are probably one of the worst actors on the market relative to what you get for the pricetag.
They removed USB ports? Why?? I get annoyed my computer doesn't have enough USB ports? I bought a USB hub for a reason. There's a point at which I don't want my laptop to be thinner, it's just inconvenient to be too thin. It becomes fragile and flimsy. In what goddamn way is removing the USB port either convenient or innovative.
JZApples ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:34:49 on January 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why the fuck would you buy a computer with no USB ports?
Firstly, I know Macs are still stellar top end machines, but Jesus if you needed to do all that, why did you buy that Mac?
chaimbo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:51:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So you as an individual with specific needs just don't buy the Mac without the ports you require. No one's forcing anyone to buy products which don't do what they need.
It's all about getting what's right for you. And this applies to everything.
So you are telling me Beats are worse than $4 gas station headphones?
Buckling ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:43:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe not that bad but Beats have one of the worst sound quality ratings on the market. Just Google how much it costs to make them. People are just buying Beats so they can say they own a pair of Beats. Any audiophile would cringe at the idea of using them.
Why does it matter how much it costs to make them?
Everything costs pennies on the dollar to make, its called making a profit. I assure you that nice pair of Sony's or whatever else is top of the only cost $20-$40 to make.
And at the end of the day what is wrong with buying something for the style? "Their purpose is to listen not be fashionable", the purpose of clothes is to keep you warm and protected but you aren't wearing cut off sweatpants right now now are you?
Beats are just something reddit loves to be elitist about. Making them feel smarter than everyone else
nism0o3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:38:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Glad I'm not the only one to question Beats. Your $200 Beats sound exactly like my $80 Sennheiser headphones. But I guess because they are red and huge.....yeah.
Malgio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:40:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was commenting on another thread how I was excited to buy the iPhone 7 until I saw this bs. Another guy commented saying "It's the way it's going to be for all the future iPhones. You are going to have to buy one eventually"... it's like he didn't even consider the existence of another phone, or the fact that if I owned an iPhone I might switch to Android; it just didn't compute
And wireless pairing blows, I don't care what kind of wishful thinking you might have, but manufacturers make all kinds of products that aren't exactly OEM and don't pair perfectly, nor do OEM either.
Bluetooth headphones are OK for jogging but they fucking blow when you just want to listen to music, even if the quality was good, the batteries suck, radio sucks
And then you have some asshole apologists trying to say you can just get a wired adapter.
Oh, OK, the $50 minimum lightning to line out adapter? Wtf
I wonder if they're being assholes just to be assholes or for the publicity that they can do whatever the fuck they want and people will still flock in droves.
Yes. Piece of junk. Has one port on the side that is supposed to be a "do all" with the right 100 dollar adapter.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:02:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, well, the newer Macbook is all about portability. Don't complain about it, just acknowledge it's not the right one for you and stick with the Air or Pro lines. People are such idiots in their hatred of a company, I swear.
At the end of the day all they care about is money. The more changes they make to the phone/MACs the more cords or extra accessories you need to buy from them!
dp_ny ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:50:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Buying the new MacBook and complaining about not having the ports you want is like buying yoga pants and complaining that they don't have belt loops.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:11:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm confused as to why you bought the MacBook then?
You know the deal going in. You're buying a premium and (almost silly) minimally designed piece of kit.
I've used mine ever day since launch working on it. It's gets me through a full day at the office easy. I have quite literally never needed a usb where a file couldn't be drop boxed or emailed.
But before I purchased the laptop I thought about how I used my old Mac Air and realised I could adjust.
Heard the next model of Macbook they're dropping the screen and keyboard.
Will have headphone jack.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:35:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The point is to get you to buy nothing but airport compatible apple products and switch to iCloud. However, at that point you may as well just buy a Chromebook and save yourself several thousand dollars
Don't you have yourself to blame for this? The MacBook is obviously for people who want ultra portability and don't need to plug things into it all the time. They're probably using mostly wireless solutions like AirDrop and cloud storage.
If you needed to use the ports so much, why didn't you get a MacBook Pro or a PC with all the ports that you needed?
rk119 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:38:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Some of their moves pushes end up working really well. I remember when the first Air came out without a CD drive to save space, everyone thought they'd made a huge mistake. But life changed as they predicted. Similarly, I think wireless headphones are going to be mainstream very soon.
I think reducing cords on a MacBook can lead to more frustrations than dropping the headphone jack in iPhones.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:43:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a scam, to create a whole new market. Think of all the extra money earned.
Your fault, you bought the wrong machine. I have the rMB and have two adapters, USB-C to Gigabit Ethernet and the Digital A/V Adapter. I rarely use them. You should have bought a MacBook Air.
ofrance ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:23:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
then why did you buy it if you needed to make so many connections? the reason I bought one was because I was working in an almost wireless environment on it to do light tasks, if you needed a mac to do heavy tasks and make lots of wired connections then you should've gotten an air or a pro
At least 15% of the reason I purchased a Macbook was because of the magsafe connector, which Apple is now abandoning in favor of USB-C. It's downright stupid.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:01:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
macbook is awful, they aren't good for gaming
Tea-Rekt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:40:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In this comment chain, people who don't realize that USB-C was a joint venture between quite a few companies, and that even the newest HP laptops don't come with regular USB ports.
USB-C will become industry standard.
I blows my mind how everyone wants innovation and change, but the second someone changes something, everyone loses their shit.
Mds03 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:58:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've started calling then Adapptle now. Some day my 2012 macbook will die and if their next one lacks SD card, 2 usb slots and hdmi+dp I won't be upgrading to a mac.
Mds03 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:00:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've started calling then Adapptle now. Some day my 2012 macbook will die and if their next one lacks SD card, 2 usb slots and hdmi+dp I won't be upgrading to a mac.
Very interesting push considering they include cord headphones, another cord adapter, don't include the cordless headphones and don't even have wireless charging
In before 6 months after release apple puts out a plus version of the phone WITH a headphone jack for $200 more
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:07:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was forced to switch to this MacBook at work. I've had no end of troubles getting the right chords and adapters. IT can't figure it out, and the costs are mounting.
Soon you will have to buy cords for the cordless Air Pods to keep them from falling out one by one.
Malgio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:42:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't get people that defend this move by saying "you can just buy an adapter". Adapters are cumbersome and annoying. If a device needs an adapter it's a sign of its incompleteness
Faemn ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:26:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then you're not using it right. The MacBook is NOT supposed to be a main computer/work device where you do the brunt of your work and connect your peripherals and shit. If it's your sole computing option you should've gone for another device.
CurtR ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:41:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not so much that they're going cordless, it's that they want to sell you overpriced accessories to make up for the functionality they refused to include in the first place.
[deleted] ยท 2306 points ยท Posted at 01:12:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm honestly confused about all the "Jobs would'nt have removed the aux port" talk
That's exactly the kind of stuff Jobs has done many times over and would do if he still was alive.
He tried to remove Floppy and CD slots from Macs when they were basically the only available technology and he passionately removed USB ports from laptops to make them look better.
This is Steve Job's philosophy people. I'm pretty sure he sheds a tear of joy while looking up on us.
Read his (actually quite interesting) biography if you don't believe me
[deleted] ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 07:01:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
IIRC, he was just copying all the things custom computers did because cds and floppys were being faded out. I can't disagree with the lack of USB, other than the fact that it is fucking stupid to do that.
Ninja edit: Jobs did it for the beauty, new Apple is doing it for the money
If apple really wanted their phones to be better looking they could start by removing the hardware button in the bottom and letting the screen have a bit more space.
It was redundant from day one. The only reason to keep it is for the finger print scanner but they could move that to under the screen if they wanted to.
He would kick some asses if he saw the camera bump though.
GV18 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:25:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The whole thing for him was to employ the jeep principle. Just Enough Essential Parts. Was a floppy disk or CD really needed? At a point, no it wasn't because you can download virtually everything. Flash is pretty shit, why don't we just not use it to force companies to upgrade to something better.
If Jobs had been alive today, this would not have happened today. It would have been next year, or the year after. Once all the big issues with wireless headphones had been sorted, and they could bundle AirPods and not lose money (in real terms) but sell wireless beats at $400.
What Apple have done now is go, "this is where we think it'll go, so let's go there first". It used to be, "we don't have to be first, just be the best for most people".
-kljasd- ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 03:06:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yea, but Tim Cook is channeling Steve Jobs in this decision. "hmm, what would Steve Jobs do? i know... he would fucking get rid of the audio jack because people don't really know what they want until we give it to them!"
This is still within the Jobsian line of thinking. Innovation at any cost, each release must be significant. Jobs spent his career trying to do things differently, at the cost of usability and general design sense.
However, he did single-handedly keep the turtleneck industry alive. For that, we cannot forgive him.
HunterTV ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:05:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh really? I've never heard this before. Please tell me more.
mirhagk ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 03:33:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He had a daughter, and fought tooth and nail to not pay child support. After a paternity test (which he still contested) he paid $500/month while he was a millionaire. You don't get much more of an asshole than that.
Balind ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:35:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He felt she wasn't his daughter. He also admitted he was a bit of an asshole then, and he made things up with her later - he paid for her college at an expensive school and IIRC she was his heir.
And $500 in the 80s was about equivalent to $1000 today. How much should he have paid? Is there no reasonable child support cap?
Love how everyone is replying with standard rude person stuff and failing to mention the hundreds of Apple slaves who killed themselves working for Apple in Asia.
jensenw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:48:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Krabins ยท 2768 points ยท Posted at 23:09:20 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
When I drive I plug the aux cable into my phone while I have it charging. It's something I do multiple times on a daily basis. What type of horrible horrible design is this?
Edit: My car and my wife's car are 08 and 09. They have aux ports and USB ports to plug stuff in but no Bluetooth. I'm obviously not going to buy a new car to be compatible with my phone. I'll just stick to my Android that already does all that shit and has a headphone jack.
Normally, the wound up tape is magnetically imprinted right? Well, instead of a roll of tape of changing magnetic waves, it's just one piece of material that changes in its magnetic signature based on the data it gets from the headphone jack. The read head can't tell the difference; it's still getting the same information.
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Tidial ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:14:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just like we don't know how gravity works or why quarks don't exist on their own. We can break those down to more specific questions, but we can't answer them.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:51:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In the end whatever question you have will unsatisfyingly be answered by 'it is'.
fib11235 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:15:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not one ICP reference...disappointed
Tidial ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:47:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What does Insane Clown Posse have to do with that? :^)
nixt26 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:43:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I figured that's how it worked, the part that blows my mind is that we can do that within something the size of a cassette tape. And have been able to for what, at least 20 years?
It is essentially a cassette write head mounted in a cassette tape shaped housing. The head itself is no different than one in a tape recorder. The head in the adapter "writes" the audio you input onto the read head inside the tape deck.
I have a 2000 Accord and recently swapped out my deck for a Bluetooth one I got off Amazon for 20 bucks. It's a really easy install and I totally recommend doing it.
I drove a 99 durango and used one of those tape deck things until one day the radio stopped working. So I spent $65 on a stereo from amazon and installed it in the stock radio's place. It had an aux cable , usb port, and bluetooth. For less than the cost of all those stupid apple adapters.
the-mbo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:08:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In my old Audi a6 its the same. Luckily I am no Apple customer.
I have an '01 Accord that has a stupid CD player instead. Used one of those shitty radio transmitters for years before I found out there's an aux cord adapter you can plug into the empty port in the back that was left open for a CD-changer you could put in the trunk.
MGJon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:26:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
...you know you can buy aftermarket stereos, right?
The FM thing works better in my case, the cassette motor humming is worse than finding an interference-less FM channel, and I don't have to inject the cassette every time, since it has auto-eject on power-off.
Marenum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:21:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can I ask which one you use? The ones I've tried have been a major loss in audio quality, but I'd like to find a decent one.
This is the one I'm using, the only annoyance is the spoken chinglish pairing-connected message; I'd rather have simple beeps or just some led things for that. Its microphone is good enough for Siri while driving (and of course hands-free calls), with the transmitter in the center console and the media/call buttons work just fine. Also has an ยตSD-MP3 player, which I haven't used and a 3.5mm stereo receptacle apparently for AUX connectivity, which I haven't used.
Anyway, I think the key spec for finding one is to look for A2DP and such features, since some (especially old) BT receivers are of the mono handset variety, which of course sounds horrible.
Marenum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:02:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How would a different phone resolve the situation? I'd still have to deal with those damn wires; haven't used wired anything but charging on my phones since 2010-ish.
God, you still have that old 2014? Fuck. You'd better get a 2016, like, now. Then we can drive our 2016s to trade in for the 2017s. While we're there, may as well pre-order the 2018. I mean, you already know we're going to get it, so we may as well pay now.
izModar ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 05:14:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just wait until they make proprietary gas nozzle ports to go along with those cars!
You joke, but in an oddly related anecdote, some years ago when I moved to Denmark, I was working for a small web development place here. The Danes love their Apple stuff. I think one of the 'S' iPhone models had just came out and one of the developers was showing his off and comparing it to the bosses non-'S' model. He was telling him how he should upgrade to this newer model. When I asked what was different on the newer model, the developer said 'I'm not sure. Hang on and I'll look it up'. He just spent all that money on a new phone model and didn't even know the difference, just knew it was 'newer' and was trying to talk other people into doing the same thing.
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munche ยท 317 points ยท Posted at 02:45:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh the people in China don't have a car, they live in factory apartments and walk to work
Those nets aren't for suicide attempts, they jump into the designated net and it bounces them safely and funnly to their assigned positions. Everyone wins!
Bluetooth kills my iPhone quicker than streaming video
munche ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:36:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well luckily for you when it's on Bluetooth you can still use the charging cable
hanoian ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:57:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's not lucky. Now he needs to have a charging cable in his car.
Apple fans will excuse anything. It the iPhone 8 doesn't have a screen and needs to be plugged into an Apple TV to work, some plank will defend it.
munche ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:08:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fortunately for you you can buy a new VW Passat with AppleTV integration, which will make pairing to your car a snap! Apple has really thought of all the ways to make your life easier. Just need you to swipe your credit card, and all of these new conveniences will get you right back to operating your phone like you did 2 years ago.
Infin1ty ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:52:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know you're not making it, but I fucking hate the excuse of "well, it has Bluetooth!"
Unless you're completely deaf, Bluetooth audio sounds like the noises coming out of my 400+ lb dad's ass.
I have a 2015 truck that has an aux jack and HDMI but no Bluetooth.
munche ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:07:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All you need to do to support your new iPhone is buy a new car, or rip your entire central nav/entertainment system out and replace it with a head unit from Best Buy! EZ
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:18:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have a 2011 car with no bluetooth, I am such a dick. I apologize ghost of Steve Jobs.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 03:44:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, but if you can afford a $700 phone surly you can also afford a stereo head unit that's better than the shitty stock unit. No one said you have to replace the whole car.
Sawder ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:50:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Or I could just get the other $700 phone that works with my non-shitty pre-Bluetooth head unit. Plus I get the added bonus of not have to dick around with an adapter when using regular headphones.
Edit: Just to add, it's absolutely ridiculous that something like this should even be a question for upgrading a phone. An iPhone isn't some super exclusive device, we're not talking Tesla's here.
To me, this is a push away from the device convergence that the original iPhone did well in the first place.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:16:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Buying a different phone is always an option, and I highly recommend buying the phone that best suits your needs. However, if you have to have the next iPhone, using an adapter or buying a 3.5mm Bluetooth adapter for your car won't be the end of the world. You can find some for ~$35.
Sawder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:44:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, that's about where I'm at. I had been holding out for the 7 on the slim hope that the rumors were false about the 3.5mm. Likely will head over to the S7 at this stage.
My setup just isn't ready to get rid of the 3.5mm yet, I can't see that changing for a while, and paying an Apple price for something that requires an adapter to fit into that setup just doesn't make much sense to me. Just a little frustrated, I'm sure that shows in my posts.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:21:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The S7 is a wonderful phone! Make sure to look at the S7 Edge as well, it's a little bigger but the battery life in insane! My fiancรฉe has one.
munche ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:58:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Unless your car is advanced enough that your head unit controls other features besides your radio, then replacing it becomes a tricky proposition. Even worse with newer cars with funky dash shapes that can't support a standard head unit.
Also, everyone needs a phone. Apple is charging a premium for their phone's ease of use. Forcing people to buy new headphones/car head units to work with their new phone when their old ones worked just fine is not ease of use.
Considering Apple is coming off of their first overall sales decline and this phone offered very little outside of incremental updates, we'll see if they stemmed the tide of people abandoning ship.
When I was shopping for cars in 2015, I found that the additional cost on a base model A4 for Bluetooth audio (music not voice) was $5000. Meanwhile I will concede that it's Volkswagen counterpart came with the capability in the standard package. That's when I stopped looking at luxury cars.
I have bluetooth and my car will actually display artwork and song information when I play music through bluetooth. I still use an aux cord because it's a solid second faster. Latency does not sit well with me and it's infuriating with music.
sec5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:08:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
After 10 years I still can't get Bluetooth to work flawlessly as it should. Somethings should stay analog like the clock, and don't need to be digital. That's good design, not shoving down technology and dictating how it should be used the way Apple does it.
chk102 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:17:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually just went to Apple campus with a friend to drop someone off at work there... there are definitely a ton of nice cars, but there are also some pretty shit cars, too...
woodsbre ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:36:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know this is joke but if they had Bluetooth especially in socal. And they never experienced interference. Then they never had Bluetooth. Hell my device gets interference if you walk through automatic doors for crying out loud. And audio that comes out Bluetooth isn't exactly high quality.
Why are people justifying this by using Bluetooth? Bluetooth kills your battery about 5x quicker than having aux cord connected
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:50:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
blue... tooth? that's something i haven't heard since 2004.
i see the guys with the earbud necklaces from time to time, but i never see them actually use it so i just assumed it's just a way of telling everybody that they're hip and fresh. kinda like wrapping trash bags around your jordans on your way to work.
i mean i think the original PSP's used bluetooth. that's new-ish, right? gotta be at least pre-9/11.
To be fair, I still drive around my 2010 car for the same reason I won't replace my iPhone 6 for another few years. Apple knows the people who are likely to buy the newest iPhone are also likely to be the kind of people who lease cars with Bluetooth capabilities. Let's get real, I've never bought a new phone as soon as it came out, I always buy one version older because it's cheaper and the bugs have been identified already. Apple wasn't going to get my money either way, though I'm sure they lost at least a few sales with this bs. I imagine they'll still make plenty in profits regardless.
londite ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:26:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You could find Bluetooth on older cars too. My parents bought a BMW 5 series back in 2007 and it already had Bluetooth and USB. Although I have to admit that it was an exception back then.
A Bluetooth compatible stereo for a car is pretty dirt cheap... I put one in my 2006 car a few years ago and it was simple.
I've since traded that car in and I love my new car having it built in though.
munche ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:28:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree to a point, on a lot of current cars they just aren't really designed to handle a regular single DIN head unit. In my current car I'm not sure how I'd fit an aftermarket head unit if I wanted to.
Didn't come stock of course. I put an aftermarket radio deck in it that has bluetooth for both phone calls and music.
Just saying. You don't have to break the bank to get more modern features in your vehicle.
munche ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:11:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey man, I get it. I was an early adopter on bluetooth in my car and I've had it since like 2005. I've installed aftermarket head units to support bluetooth in my personal cars and my gf as well.
When you're selling phones to people who love that your phone is nice and "just works", telling them to buy and install a new head unit in their car to get features they've had for years is a pretty fucking hard sell.
Lots of people will spend the money for an iPhone but don't want to buy a new car or spend time/money upgrading their old car for a feature they had yesterday.
I'm not talking about people who have had these features for years. I'm talking about lower middle class folks like me who drive vehicles from the late 90's and the early 2000's who don't currently have this type of functionality in their vehicle.
You can get em as cheap as $60 from Walmart if you just want a bare bones aftermarket radio with bluetooth. A lot better than spending upwards of $20,000 on a new vehicle lol
munche ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:21:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure we're making the same argument. Nobody wants to spend time/money upgrading their car to play their phone in their car when their aux cable has worked for years.
I don't know of any late 90's or early 2000's cars that have AUX cables though.
No car I've ever owned came with an AUX cable hookup. Not stock anyways. Unless you use one of those shitty cassette player adapters.
Which is why, as I said, it's a worthwhile investment if your car doesn't already have the technology
munche ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:34:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But if my car is a 2000 Whatever and I spent a few hundred bucks in 2007 to get a head unit with an aux cable, spending a few hundred bucks again to have Best Buy install a new bluetooth unit is pretty unappealing when I'm not gaining anything
Well yeah if you're just talking about bluetooth then a few hundred bucks wouldn't be worth it.
However, if you're spending a few hundred bucks on a radio in 2016 then more than likely you're getting a top of the line model with backup camera, DVD playback, Android Auto and Apple Carplay, hands free bluetooth calling, bluetooth audio playback, GPS, USB, and SD card support as well.
My radio is from 2011, so it has most of that minus the Android Auto and Apple Carplay. Still, a very worthwhile upgrade from a basic deck from 2003 that only has CD, cassette tape, and AM/FM radio.
I have a 2005 car. It had neither Aux nor Bluetooth. In 2010, I spent a whopping $100 to upgrade the radio. I'm sure it's cheaper now. The car now has Aux, Bluetooth and a really good quality Bluetooth speaker phone.
I don't have any Apple devices, but I feel the current public whining is getting really tiresome. There are plenty of good and affordable options, and anybody with a car that was built in the last 5 years doesn't even have that problem.
If you can't afford less than $100 to upgrade your car stereo, then maybe you shouldn't waste many hundreds of dollars on having to get the most bleeding edge phone
There are plenty of cars where the stereo is integrated with other car systems (climate control etc) and can't be changed.
More to the point, there is no reason Apple couldn't have just announced the AirPods as a new product and left the headphone jack alone.
Don't kid yourself, this has nothing to do with pushing for better quality audio or anything like that - it is purely a cash grab to try to maintain their profit levels with expensive accessories and nothing more...the fact that they're still persisting with the rubbish quality drivers of the old EarPods is solid proof of that.
munche ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:33:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The thing you don't realize - maybe you CAN afford a new head unit for your car, but you don't think it's worth fucking with your car stereo to allow you to hear your phone that worked fine last week.
When Apple killed CD/DVD drives, people were pretty much over using them. When they killed the floppy, people were done with the floppy. Hardly anyone ever cared about FireWire.
Almost everyone uses the 3.5mm jack. And Apple killed it without offering a good justification. "You may not have the headphone jack, but now you get....nothing. Fuck you. Buy our headphones or bluetooth headphones or eat a dick"
But even more working professionals have iPhones. Blackberry used to be the industry standard and due to Apple's strong security, almost every major bank/F500 provides iPhones for work phones. Those kids in college are also the ones that are going to be earning $85k+. Apple's demographic is also much more educated (though they have much fewer in tech-related fields).
Fair enough, I guess just about all the high school kids with them are technically their parents iphones as well.
munche ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:35:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I suppose so, but closing off part of your market seems like an odd response to your first ever quarter without growth in sales. "Let's alienate more people!"
I don't think they thought this would be as polarizing as it was. They got a lot of space from removing it and have a $9 lighting/aux converter.
I think it was a pretty poor call, but that wouldn't stop me from buying an iPhone 7 if I were in the market. Generally, I think iPhones are just superior products to other phones, but I doubt that'll last for another 5-10 years.
munche ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:35:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
humblebrag
Faemn ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:22:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
cmon dawg i've had bluetooth in my cars since before the iphone came out, 2014, really?
munche ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:27:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Look man you're talking to a guy who had janky early ass Pioneer head units that played MP3 CDs and had Bluetooth and that was a Big Deal
Faemn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:30:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
what does that even mean?
munche ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:40:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm saying I jerry rigged bluetooth in my car in fuckin 2002 but that doesn't change my point
Faemn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:47:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
so should they release breakthrough tech assuming people are still 15 years back in tech instead of pushing the boundaries? shit would be super boring if everyone was so fucking conservative that they would not push for something new because some people might be reluctant to change.
munche ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:54:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The thing is, there's no breakthrough. People have had bluetooth headphones for years, and some people like them, some don't. Apple didn't suddenly revolutionize headphones where you'd never need to plug them in again, they just removed the jack and tough shit if you don't like it.
Faemn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:57:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You do not have to buy this product. There's literally thousands of other options out there. Nobody is forcing anything on you. There are at least 3 other iPhones on their line up that do have a headphone jack that were shown to be supported, and even updated today.
munche ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:05:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I'm not claiming it's a great injustice. I'm just questioning the logic of a company that's losing market share deciding to remove a popular feature without even bothering to offer a benefit to justify it. Apple can sell whatever garbage they want. And I can comment on it as I see fit. The last Apple device I owned was an iPod with a spinny hard drive in it.
The question is how removing a popular feature with no benefit in exchange helps them win marketshare when their brand is slipping.
Faemn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:13:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People were similarly outraged when they removed 30-pin apple connectors... we'll see how this turns out.
I'm not an iPhone user (GS7e) but honestly I feel like the people at Apple are far smarter than people give them credit for. If they didn't absolutely know this was the right call for their brand/phone they would not have shipped this as a baseline. They probably have plans or some form of scheme to make this work better than we think (?) Who knows maybe this is the first iPhone that absolute bombs and shits the bed. Somehow I don't think that'll be true tho
munche ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:25:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We'll see. Sony tried this whole idea 10-20 years ago with locking people to their brand with proprietary everything. It worked for a while when people had it in their mind that Sony was the best. Then people lost enthusiasm for Sony, and their consumer electronics business tanked as a result.
As a layperson, it looks like Apple is making a thinly veiled attempt to force people into buying more headphones after they bought a headphone company. It'll probably work for a while, and a small percentage of people will abandon ship over to Android. But tricking customers into sticking with you while doing nothing to win new customers isn't a way to gain marketshare. Apple has marketshare to burn, but you know what, Sony did too in 1999.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:00:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can deny. Sibling works at Apple in Cupetino and drives 2007 CRV. He still uses an aux cord.
The first dongles I encountered were serial port keys for DRM of software. That excludes your theory, however your theory does not exclude this use of dongles.
Arkanial ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:38:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The real question is will the new Plumbus have a dongle port or will it only support kringle2.0.
lkodl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:32:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Huh. Motorola's MotoZ and Z Force both made the switch to no aux ports and were released over a month ago but you can buy a replacement dongle for them for ~$5
OminousG ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:02:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're not getting a lightning dongle for $5 thats Apple approved, and they started blocking non-approved dongles several ios updates ago. Apple blames cheap and incorrectly built dongle and accessories for the lock down.
Have you guys never heard of a lightning cable aux cord that already exists? I use it in my car all the time with the 6s, charges and plays music on one cord. People complaining that Apple is killing the aux cord, no they aren't. Just use a lightning cable aux that already exists.
But now we are back to another debate: I am on a plane. I brought a backup battery to charge the phone with. The phone is almost dead. I am listening to music because I'm on a plane. I don't have bluetooth headphones because I literally have no need of them for any other device I own, plus the audio quality isn't as good. Now what?
This is a valid problem that I do not have an answer to, other than don't buy the new iPhone. I sought to answer the aux cord problem but like your situation, it would not work both ways.
When I do that I get a gloriously loud screech of feedback. iPhones and Android phones do it. Have to use a portable battery to charge while listening in the car.
I'm not saying that's something I wouldn't buy, just for the convenience factor of only having one cable, but the annoying thing is that it will be the only option.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:45:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I dont think that will work bc the charging will interfere with the sound
kantFTW ยท 66 points ยท Posted at 01:28:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a courageous one.
H2iK ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:58:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It takes courage to intentionally be a fuck-up.
rumborak ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:42:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You obviously have to upgrade your car to one that supports Apple Car.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 02:40:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can buy a $20 bluetooth dongle that will receive audio for you. I use this one and I LOVE it. I plug it into my computer speakers, car radio AUX port, or my headphones directly! Cheap, quality bluetooth. Losing the 3.5mm isn't the biggest deal in the world at this point. It's a minor annoyance depending on your lifestyle though. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01IDEZ3YW
I second this, I have BT to FM radio in my old car (no AUX, C-cassette adapters suck), BT to 3.5mm jack for old headphones, new headphones with BT. Those adapters are the only adapters you need, they're affordable and improve the quality of life. If battery life is important, there are portable ones with more than enough of battery life (outlasts any phone battery). I have practically not used the 3.5mm jack since iPhone 4.
I have a similar Bluetooth adapter. I stuck it on my dash and can now take phone calls and listen to music without a problem.
MrStu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:33:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I use this in my new car, it was far cheaper than the dealer option to put it on the car, and works just as well.
YELLHEAH ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:30:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you so much for posting this. Believe it or not, I am considering upgrading to the 7, but I haven't for the life of me been able to come up with a viable solution to charging AND playing music in a pre-Bluetooth car. This may have solved that, if I end up going that route.
That's what I assumed with my new car, but for the life of me, I can't figure it out. It can supposedly play songs from an iPod, so I figured my phone would work just fine. I have to go read that damn manual.
I plug my iphone directly into my cars usb port. It plays music directly from my phone and I can control it from my stereo.
Having two cords and reaching for my phone to change the song doesn't get me nostalgic
gellis12 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:04:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The stock radio in my car had a 6-disc cd player, and a cassette player. I swapped it out for an aftermarket stereo with bluetooth that I got for $30 on Amazon. I was dumb and didn't buy the mounting kit at the same time, so Canadian Tire charged me $35 for that.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:44:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
$109.99
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Texel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:08:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
honestly - were I in your position I'd prefer that I could join the aux / power cables together and only have to plug in one cable when I get in the car. Having to plug in two cables bugged me for a long time, enough to the point that I bought a head unit with a USB input just so I could plug in the USB alone.
LOCHO53 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:15:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Give this a go. It's life changing. I have one in my 05 Freestyle.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:54:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm obviously not going to buy a new car to be compatible with my phone.
Just wait for iVehicle
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:45:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As well, the sound quality over Bluetooth is abysmal compared to the aux jack. Although the aptX protocol for Bluetooth is a significant improvement, both the sending and receiving unit need the hardware to support it. I haven't read anything yet about the iPhone 7 supporting it, and most people can't just upgrade their headunit in the car.
most people can't just upgrade their headunit in the car.
I'm not overly techie or handy and I did mine for $80 off amazon - I can't really tell the difference in quality with bluetooth and it's nice being able to answer calls without holding my phone.
I had the same lack of Bluetooth streaming in my 07 TL-S. I just got the Blackberry Music gateway and it fixed all my issues. You should look into it. Neat $25 US
Slannar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:40:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Uhh buy a new car? Seems super obvious dude. Apple is developing one as we speak... Probably would be very compatible with the next iPhone and potentially even the one after.
Bactine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:42:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They have Bluetooth receivers now that plus into your aux port. I got them for both of my Cars on amazon
CalebDK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:43:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My car has aux and bluetooth. I use the aux because sound quality is better. Only use bluetooth for phone calls.
With an IPhone you can plug your phone into your car with the lightning cable and it will play music and charge the phone.... No headphone jack needed. I use it daily!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:48:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They have . . . USB ports
Use the USB port. . .
Earendur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:49:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know, the whole iphone thing aside, a bluetooth capable deck can be bought as cheaply as like 100 bucks. Installation at most places is 80 bucks or less. You can do it yourself if you're feeling adventurous and can find some example videos online.
I've never owned a vehicle newer than 2004 and I've been rocking bluetooth for at least 6 years.
gr00ve88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:50:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Not that I am supporting Apple's phone, I am the last thing from an Apple fanboy, but I do have to hand it to Apple as far as being a leader in technological movements. It's kind of like that quote from Ford, "If I asked them what they wanted, they'd say faster horses." I feel like that applies here. They frequently push technology towards the mainstream, and lets be honest, in the future, once battery tech really comes up, I'd say most things will start becoming wireless. This is just a series of small pushes in that direction. This is going to be the one people remember in 20 years and laugh at.. "Battery pack for your headphones??? lmao"
Sure, right now though, it's an inconvenience.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:50:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:51:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apple is dumb, but for 12 to 20$ you can add a bluetooth dongle that plugs into your car's Aux port. I use one along wireless charging port so that I never have to fuck with cords in the car.... a pet peeve of mine
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:52:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My 2006 Infiniti have a aux input. No usb either. I feel the pain.
Buy a Bluetooth to 3.5 receiver on Amazon. Plug it into your 3.5 jack on the car. Now your car is Bluetooth capable. O did this when my jack on my lg g4 got messed up. I use it with my new phone now because I love it.
They also make Bluetooth Aug adapters. But obviously they cost more than a regular cable. But you did buy an Apple device so Apple clearly assumes you're affluent and ready to drop dumb amounts on basic features. Lel.
You can get Bluetooth receivers that plug into the aux port. I use one all the time and it's super convenient to me to not have to plug anything in and out in the car. Also does handsfree calling too, but the call quality is really bad though.
If for some reason the iPhone was suddenly very appealing to you, you can buy great Bluetooth fm transmitters for your bluetoothless car. There are ways around it. It's just still a ridiculous decision.
My car is an 09, it's not that hard to get a Bluetooth radio to replace your stock unit, mine cost less than $100 for all the parts and installation isn't too hard
A solution i did with my first car a 2002 civic that i still drive, is install a Bluetooth stereo unit. Replace the shitty factory stereo. I now have bluetooth, hands free calling and i cool blue led stereo
I think the only reasonable course of action is for you to return the iPhone that you didn't get.
mrbooze ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:26:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I drive I plug the aux cable into my phone while I have it charging. It's something I do multiple times on a daily basis. What type of horrible horrible design is this?
One not for you apparently. I guess you buy a different widget than this widget while all the other people who don't need it buy different widgets.
I don't want to shock anyone, but after extensive economic analysis it turns out that not all widgets are for you. Some widgets are for other people.
calm down it has an adapter with it and if you have an iphone 6s or below it doesn't matter. Nobody HAS to buy a new phone just because it's the new model
No one is asking you to buy a new car....even if you were held at gunpoint to switch to a phone with out an aux you wouldn't need to get a new car. There are plenty of $100 or less car radios with Bluetooth... Or buy a $10 Bluetooth adapter for the aux or USB. Stop overreacting yo...
radradio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:35:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey! I bought a 20 dollar bluetooth to aux receiver for my car. Works like wonders. I also created a task to run spotify automatically and start playing it when it connects to the receiver. It is beautiful!
I mean, you could get a Bluetooth adapter. I doubt your car has a hi-fi setup that you'd notice the change in quality. Android or not, it's one less cable.
I have a 2012 Jetta and still has only aux for some dumb fuck reason. I use a Bluetooth adopter though and works great. Surprised many people don't know about them.
link to adapter https://amzn.com/B013QJ0W8Q
Alex014 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:42:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They sell Bluetooth adapters that plug into your aux port but I see where you're coming from
tekdemon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:42:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
If you gave an aux port it's very easy to add a Bluetooth adapter for $10-35 depending on the specific model. I've been using the Kinivo BTC450 that I paid $25 for although I guess with all the iPhone 7 panicking the Amazon price is a bit higher now lol
Belkin makes one as well and there's random generic ones for as cheap as $10. Made a world of difference in my 2003 car though I had to actually add an aux input cuz it was so old.
So it's not an expensive problem to solve but I think Apple might need to carry these in store for people.
The real problem is with places I have no control like hotel room speakers and rental cars where there might only be aux input. Bluetooth audio also has some lag so it's also shitty to be forced into weird proprietary apple headphones
aknutty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:48:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I see your problem. Your too poor! You should get more money so you don't have to have an older car that won't work with the newest iPhone. This is your fault.
Hejie023 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:49:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In comes the age of the renewed age of port hubs. Whole reason why I was super fucking excited for Project ARA. Need an audio Jack for a trip? Put in a DAC, or once it's cheap enough an Optical module. Still has the one USB port but now I can use any damn port from the phone I want, all I need I'd the right module. Google should have stuck with the project. Moto Mods and Alphabet reining in the budget are why we aren't getting Project ARA anymore. I hope some of from the team jumps ship and gets a new company going.
It's been well worth the small cost. My phone connects automatically to it when I turn on the car, it's got pause/play, track skip and it activates Siri. You also place the button wherever you want, I have it next to the steering column behind the windshield wiper stick or whatever on the right side. Been one of my better purchases.
dejacoup ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:13:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have a 2002 Toyota Camry. I guess I can just listen to the radio?? :(
Buy a cheap bluetooth to aux adapter for your car. I did even before the removal of the aux jack. Because I'm not a caveman and I don't use caveman cables.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:15:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why not just plug into the USB port and play your music that way?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:20:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I bought a $5 bluetooth plug that connects to my car's aux.
Last time I checked most cars with USB ports can charge and play data . At least in my friends 06 civic he can . If the car is iPod ready then you have no issues playing music over the port
solepsis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:33:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Plug it in with USB maybe? Charging and playing at the same time in only one cable!
jgreg728 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:36:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait I'm confused if your car has USB why wouldn't that solve the problem? I use USB to charge AND play everyday. For years.
Xerox- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:38:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Aye? If your car has a USB port can't you just plug your phone in through that and listen + charge at the same time? That's what I do in 2 of my vehicles
ajc1239 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:39:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm obviously not going to buy a new car to be compatible with my phone.
Or just buy a new stereo for your car. Had to do it for mine because all my 2001 had was a damn cassette player.
They should change the slogan at Apple to: "We try to fix things that were never broken."
kojak2091 ยท 965 points ยท Posted at 01:33:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
The University of Michigan had an Athletic Director (the guy who is basically CEO of the athletic department of the university) who has a philosophy of "if it ain't broke, break it." The core of the idea is to make sure you're always innovating, but in practice you just end up breaking everything and end up taking an institution that had a massive waitlist to pay thousands for season tickets to the point of giving away tickets for the purchase of soft drinks.
tl;dr: "If it ain't broke, break it" is a shit philosophy.
edit: By the way, breaking/removing something and adding absolutely nothing new is not the same as innovating or "inventing a car instead of a horse-drawn carriage." The philosophy sucks because it pushes you not to innovate but rather to destroy in the hopes that you'll force yourself to innovate. Ford didn't say, "Hmm this horse-drawn cart thing is perfectly fine, let me take the part you sit on off and change nothing else." He said, "wow this automobile invention that already existed isn't quite good enough yet, let me make it able to be sold to the masses."
I'm in AA now and I just am not into sports, but it's sad to see my once-great Flagship school brought low.
Harbaugh seems like a badass, tho. He beat up on those Rainbow Warriors, and lost by a snap to those evil green people from the hinterlands of the state.
I don't know what he's doing about the Leprechauns, though.
Also, is it a coincidence that the two main football rivals are drunken green-type teams? Can't be coincidence.
Then I heard something about Ohio, but no one takes that place seriously so I can't believe they're an actual rival. Seems a joke, really. Ohio... "We're bland!"
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:50:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Something about winning, probably. Michigan forgot to take that seriously.
N3rdLink ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 02:44:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was 2 coke products. I actually worked at U-Go's and handed out several of the tickets. You could buy 2 Dasani waters ($3 total) and get a ticket to the game. I took my entire family lol.
eskaza ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:01:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I liked Harbaugh when he first got to Michigan. I don't really hate him as much as he's annoying to me, but granted if he was my coach I would probably love his intensity.
I graduated from Michigan, and worked at the store that was running this promotion. It's called U-Go's. We ran out of tickets in a few hours (people didn't know we were running it at first but news spread quickly). It was a deal with Coke and U-Go's general manager. Dave Brandon had nothing to do with it.
Computer hardware and software development are very different worlds than sports that have been around for 120+ years.
I am not defending Apple's decision here. It sucks and is going to screw me over because my car only has an aux input and no Bluetooth or USB.
But still, if you don't try to innovate in technology you become fucking Kodak (developed the first digital camera, but thought film would live forever so they didn't pursue the technology, missing out on many billions of dollars). You MUST follow the "if it ain't broke, break it" philosophy in technology or you will always be a follower and never a leader. Rapidly-developing technologies create industries where you absolutely cannot rest on your laurels and what has worked in the past.
brads005 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:46:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So true. The only way that this philosophy works is if you have a true innovator at the helm. Steve Jobs might not have done any of the actual work to make his creations a reality, but his ridiculous ideas and demands ended up making his company a behemoth. Of course, he had the best and brightest doing the legwork for him too. In every situation where things get ruined, the person in charge wasn't the innovator they thought they were.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:59:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Horses and carriages work perfectly fine. I don't know why people don't try to push these horseless carriages on me. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
DirkNord ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:02:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Its like the polar opposite of the Bill Gates quote "โI choose a lazy person to do a hard job. Because a lazy person will find an easy way to do it.โ
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:07:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did anyone in this thread even watch the Apple press event today? They even talked about it. If you're a football coach and are gonna have a short career making a ton of money, yeah don't break the system, make your money and get out. If you're in a STEM field, what do people think innovation is, and how some companies stay on top while others stagnate and die? Do you still use MS-DOS? That was incredibly successful at the time, and Windows looks nothing like it in 2016, while football from the 80s looks similar to football now. It's literally the purpose of business and moving forward as a human race, or I mean you can sit back and make your minimum wage if you want to do the same things over and over again.
butt-guy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:10:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeahhhh, an action mind-set where you think that there needs to be constant changing or "evolving" in an organization will lead to anarchy.
Interestingly enough I just wrote a paper about this.
"If it ain't broke, break it" is a shit philosophy.
No it isn't. As a company you always have to innovate. If you don't innovate you get stomped over by the competitors that do. Innovating IS risky but you have to play it SMART. I am not an Apple fan but the first iPhone presentation will always be a great video because of how innovative things were back then.
The PROBLEM isn't if it ain't broke break it.. it is the fact that when they DO break what they are breaking they aren't adding anything better to it but making it worse.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:51:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
that depends whether your goal is to win or whether your goal is to create something new.
You shouldn't break things in order to do either. You can improve and innovate without breaking. If you feel you need to break something to figure out how to make it better, you're not going to succeed unless you get lucky.
Zeus1325 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:52:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Their athletic director should've talked with someone, anyone from Ross...
IIRC Ross himself backed Brandon, but I got the impression that Ross wasn't terribly involved and was just supporting the university he's dumped millions into.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:39:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm hoping they make it in a very tiny screen or something and make it fully customizable. Can you imagine a custom ROM or even a innate Google implementation that pulses based on the music you're listening to? oH mygod. google pls.
Isogen_ ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:11:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why the bloody hell do you need a higher res screen on the 6P!?!?! VR?
grigby ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:57:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have an s7 which has the same resolution as a 6p and yet a smaller screen. It's fucking beautiful. I literally cannot see any individual pixels without a magnifying glass. Seems apple is sticking with their retina level density on the 7, which never impressed me much except when I upgraded from a ipod touch 2nd Gen to an iPhone 5 back in 2012. Looked it up and the 7 has a quarter the pixels as my s7 in pretty much the same physical size. I guess it would help in battery life a little bit if, though not as pronounced because of black colours of Android amoled screens. Also, amoled is amazing. Blacks are actually black, even at full brightness.
jaboober ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:06:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Says someone stuck in the past...
Isogen_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:19:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
2560x1440 is more than enough on a 6" screen.
jaboober ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:43:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought so too, but going from the OnePlus One 5.5 inch 1080P screen to the 6P's higher resolution, amoled screen has been night and day. The superior blacks and contrast are just as much to thank for that as the higher resolution, everything just pops and has a brilliant wow factor to it. I have a properly calibrated TV and monitor for colour accuracy, that's not important on a mobile device IMO. The 6S screen is pedestrian at best and I'm assuming the 7 is more of the same mid-range for premium price.
Isogen_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:52:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
What are you even saying? I said 6P in my OP. I said nothing about a 6S. That's what my comment was about... I don't think you need more than 2560x1440 on a 6" screen unless you're thinking of doing Daydream/VR stuff.
There's little to gain from increasing resolution and by extension, PPI on a 6" screen unless you're aiming for VR. In which case, mobile VR is going to be rather underwhelming.
When do I ever need sound that loud from the phone? If I wanted good-quality sound out loud, I'd bring external speakers (some of which use the aux jack). But most of the time, I'll just plug in earphones.
Seriously. What's wrong with wired headphones? I have a pair of decent Bluetooth earbuds and I rarely use them, because the wired buds I have (which are just the Samsung ones I got with my phone) sound just as good (subjective), never have to be charged, and are compatible with all of the older technology I still have.
The only device I use to listen to music from my phone when I'm not in my car is an AKG headset. A wired one. And no way in fucking hell I'm switching to wireless. Not today. Not ever.
dzamir ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 08:23:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's this sort of thinking that does stifle innovation. The whole "faster horse" thing. Everyone would still be using smartphones with a billion buttons.
The headset jack is as old as can be. Times are a changing. If you need it that bad use the included adapter.
I'm surprised that people are so shocked that apple would do this, it seems totally consistent with their policy of making all hardware as proprietary as they can. Wouldn't want anyone using $8 Panasonic earbuds with their phones.
Also, just because something is changed and you get used to it, doesn't necessarily mean it's better.
Case in point: getting rid of the up and downvote counts on comments and just having a net number. I got used to it, but I remember and I still hate it. THAT'S RIGHT REDDIT, I REMEMBER YOU GOT RID OF OUR UP/DOWNVOTE COUNTS!
Hoogyme ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:54:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not when their solution is proprietary and iPhone/iPad exclusive. Their decision may have been more acceptable if they chose to switch over to USB-C rather than Lightning or proprietary wireless tech.
No, physical discs have been on the way out for a while. This is more like removing floppy disk drives in 1995, or cd drives in 1999, or USB ports in 2010.
Headphone jacks are THE audio standard and Apple is doing away with it because adapters and expensive wireless ear buds. If their wireless solutions were so fuck all magical they'd be able to sell it without removing the jack.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:36:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Doing things different just for the sake of doing them different.
If everyone took that attitude we'd still be sat around naked in caves picking our butt holes
knukx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:40:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree this headphone jack removal is probably the stupidest thing I've ever seen, and is destined for failure. But as far as fixing things that aren't broken, the same could be said for the iPad. It was ridiculed when it was announced. Seemed pointless. Now everyone owns a tablet.
Clearly, it's the New Coke strategy of marketing. Apple people will buy this phone no matter what. And they'll hate it. And when they bring back the jack for the next phone iteration users will flock right back to the stores and buy a whole new one. Look! They brought back the jack!
and you know what? it will sell in huge numbers and without questioning.
because thats the way it is in cults. they offer you no choice.
they chose for you.
Faemn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:25:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If they didn't think that way slate style, touch screen no button phones maybe would've never gotten popular/had become mainstream. Nobody ever thought about tablets (REALLY) before the iPad, they took risks there any way you look at it. I wanna fucking see the market in 5 years and see who was right, cause according to their track record and history something tells me Apple is gonna still come out on top.
wick78 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:37:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Which is exactly how tech advances. When people were replacing vacuum tubes with transistors, it wasn't an issue of the vacuum tubes not working, it was just that transistors were better.
Honestly, i think that pretty soon the 3.5mm port is going the way of the vacuum tube too, just not yet. I would guess that wireless is the next step for consumer audio, though not necessarily Bluetooth. Bluetooth has been around for quite a while, and is rather prone to faults. I am almost sure however, that it is not the lightning port. Apple has the right concept, the 3.5mm port will leave consumer devices eventually, it is just a question of under what circumstances.
ofrance ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:24:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You should look through the archives to see how many people said the same thing when Apple stopped including floppy drives. Of course soon after everyone else jumped on board and no one complains about the lack of them any more.
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dinowak ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 02:44:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
With the release of their AirPod wireless headphones, it's clear that Apple is banking on people going wireless with their headphones, not adopting wired Lightning headphones.
Bluetooth is already a very widely adopted and ubiquitous standard.
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dinowak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:48:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I don't think you understand what branding means. They didn't rebrand Bluetooth. They are only branding their headphones, not the technology standard.
They just named their wireless headphones as AirPods. The wireless technology standard in their iPhones is still called Bluetooth as seen in the "Cellular and Wireless" section: http://www.apple.com/iphone-7/specs/.
These Samsung Gear IconX earphones are branded as Gear IconX, but that doesn't mean Samsung is rebranding Bluetooth.
dinowak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:46:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. I remember when the first MacBook Air came out and everyone was freaking out about it having no optical drive. Now, it just seems ludicrous to even need an optical drive with today's computers.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:32:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Tin_Foil ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:39:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Here's that thing that you said you wanted -- aren't we great at listening?
NO! We begged you to not take it away in the first place!
That's right! Everyone was missing the headphone jack, so we added the new smaller 2.5mm size!
What??!? No one uses 2.5mm anymore!
3.5mm to 2.5mm exclusive Apple converters for only $40!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:48:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everything demoed over video showing people embracing their tradition.
Not gonna lie.... Whenever i'm in public and listening to music, fiddling with my headphones, I think about how headphone wires won't be a problem in the future. I hate how they get tangled in things, how I accidently pull them out of my ears, how the wires freeze in winter, and so on.
I'm excited to see progress with non wire headphones
I'd rather get devices that don't need to be charged every 6 hours.
I love technology and all but for fuck's sake I hate living around electrical current because otherwise my devices are going to die when I need them the most.
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 01:33:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apple talked about "moving to the future" except they used their proprietary lightning cable (4 years old) rather than the new standard of USB C, just to keep people in their eco system.
am0x ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:36:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Who knows. Right now it is Bluetooth which they still allow.
vkbrian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:24:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're so confident in this decision that they're packing every phone with a way to circumvent it.
am0x ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:42:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yup. In fact because of this, it jell accelerate the adoption by other companies to make this the norm. Earlier this year I would have said 4 years, now
I think we are looking more like 2
lnsulnsu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:46:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
From a technical perspective, lots. It's big and takes up a lot of internal phone space for what it does. We could come up with a much better and smaller connector thst does the same thing and maybe more too.
What makes it good is how universal it is. It's like the north American AC power plugs. They suck, but its just too much work to replace them all.
My understanding is that there is still space in the iPhone 7 to store a headphone jack.
Even then, Apple didn't supply a solution, they only removed the perceived "problem". If they had included a second lightning connection (or, even better, switched to USB C (standardized, non proprietary, newer, and faster)) then I can see people having less issues with this, as it would still be possible to charge and listen.
If I was doing this, I would have released the air pods and USB based audio in a phone that still had a 3.5mm Jack, with the information that the next phone would most likely not have a 3.5mm standard jack. This gives people time to adjust to the idea, without sacrificing the sales of those who still rely on a 3.5mm jack.
lnsulnsu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:29:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I totally agree. Removing the headphone jack is stupid. It's not a good thing on its own, but its just too universal to kill.
Pretty cool that I can connect my phone to my grandma's stereo from the 80s or my school's sound system from the late 90s still.
Part of the reason it's so old is because it was discovered/invented first and meets the need of audio transfer pretty perfectly. USB is newer because we simply didn't need the tech to transfer data in such a way until recently, and while USB is still being updated/refined, it's pretty obvious innovation on it is slowing as we meet the need pretty nicely.
Just wanna say I don't support omitting the jack, just like giving counterarguments. Otherwise, this would be entirely circlejerk with no opposition or free thought. But then again, redditors hate people who think differently than them so I totally understand lolol
Sometimes circle jerks are warranted. It's not that anyone hates anyone who think differently, but insinuating that age has anything to do with the inclusion of the most wide spread and standardized phone tech doesn't really make sense.
Except you can't if you'd gone back slightly further. You'd need one of these or one of these if the equipment is old enough.
Let's be honest. The 3.5mm jack isn't going to be around forever, because nothing is, and Apple is in a unique position to be able to take away something as ubiqutous as the 3.5mm jack, have everyone bitch and moan about it, and weather the storm just fine.
Someone's gotta be first. They took the floppy drive out and they were crazy. They took the optical drive out and they were crazy.
They put a fuckin' USB port in their iMac, what the fuck is USB amirite?
Don't get me wrong, Apple has their problems. The largest of which in my opinion is shoving proprietary shit down people's throats like lightning (and not USB-C) and AirPlay (and not Bluetooth and/or 802.11), but when it comes to doing shit no one wants until it becomes industry standard, no one beats Apple.
They have become the Andy Dufresne of the tech industry: they can crawl through a river of shit and come out clean on the other side.
Apple is in a unique position to be able to take away something as ubiqutous as the 3.5mm jack, have everyone bitch and moan about it, and weather the storm just fine.
Is a problem because:
The largest of which in my opinion is shoving proprietary shit down people's throats like lightning (and not USB-C)
Lost4468 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:47:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
hobskhan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:40:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wheels are pretty old.
Solar panels were invented in the 19th century.
Steam engines are pretty old.
Sharp metal blades have always been good for cutting.
making goddam beer is pretty fucking old
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:39:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And they should change androids to, "we thought of it first!!!!"
Haven't people learned that Apple has a pretty damn good track record of anticipating where product design is heading and acting early? Just think back to when people went crazy when Apple dropped the floppy drive. Or the CD drive. Yet now we wouldn't bat an eyelash at that. I expect in 5 years for everyone to think, "no shit we don't want a headphone jack in our phone."
I disagree. They are trying to push technology forward. They've done many things that people haven't liked at the time, but now people accept them. This may be one of those, or a stupid mistake and they'll be reverting it with the next phone. At the very least this will drive a demand for improved battery in both the phone and bluetooth headphones.
nbshark ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:06:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I do remember however, that people were hating on Apple for taking the CD/DVD player out of a MacBook. "But I need the CD-drive!" everyone yelled.
Then they took out Flash Player on their iPhones, and everyone was: "omg but we need Flash Player!" and everyone was angry again.
I was angry at both these things too!
But now I've been going without a CD player for years (on PC) and never missed it once. Had Blu Ray player in my old laptop, and only used it once to install Diablo III. CD is still in there.
And I don't have Flash Player on my Android, and I'm not missing it at all. Plenty of "Flash Games" on the Play Store and plenty of "Flash Videos" on Youtube. (I use Adobe Flash/Animate myself on a daily basis for my job as animator but never even use the .swf Flash Player format anymore and just render .mp4).
So maybe it's going to be the same case with the headphones... (Still extremely overpriced though. Jesus).
Thank god, it's not just me. I don't need the thinnest fucking phone known to man, I'd just like to be able to use the god damn thing for more than 1 hour without needing to charge it or plug it in.
Edit: minor text fixes
komali_2 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 03:54:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I could take it being a centimeter or two thicker easily.
FGHIK ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:03:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah yeah, Lenny face it up funny man.
bardoch ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:21:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Upvoted for Niantic reference.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:03:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This will come off as super judgmental, but the people who consists of Apple's base seem to put a of weight towards thinner phones, and will ignore the lack of a headphone jack and purchase the phone solely because they hear that the phone is thinner.
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 03:09:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm gonna put it in an otterbox so as long as the end product isn't more than 3/4" thick I really never got this. Is it a little sleeker when it's thin? I guess, but if I'm gonna drop it on the ground and break it, it'll look worse than if it were a little fat to begin with.
the people who consists of Apple's base seem to put a of weight towards thinner phones
How do you know?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:45:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm guessing Apple knows a lot more about their customer base than I do, and determined that customers would value the thinner phone and accept the tradeoff of losing a headphone jack. I admit, I am giving Apple the benefit of the doubt here.
I have a feeling Apple will not lose any significant amount of money over this. Many Apple customers will be happy to ditch their regular headphones, and many of those who are complaining weren't going to be waiting in line for the new model or anything.
Chieres ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:26:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most people use includes headphones anyway, so it would make 0 difference even with SATA headphones
Samsung, powersaving is a life saver. Not to mention they last longer anyways. I was usikg the galaxy s, the original s since last year when i got the s6.
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NotGouv ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:43:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's fine, not everyone is looking for the same thing in a phone. And if you're looking for extra long battery life there are some phones for you out there. But not all phones are gonna suit you so stop dumping on thin phones and go look for other phones.
SCphotog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:22:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
...and I'm over here just wanting it to fit in my phone pocket.
My job is physical. I'm climbing ladders and working with power tools, swinging a bush axe, etc...
I can't really use one of those phone holsters.
I need a phone that I can slide into a leg-side phone pocket. I only buy pants with a phone pocket.
So I'm relegated to older and or otherwise less powerful, less capable phones because most of the nicer phones are only slightly smaller than a big screen television.
Limited to what's available through/for my carrier too. Far fewer options to choose from.
Their shop link goes to Amazon, it's near the bottom of that page at $299. Limited carrier options, though, and not all that good a processor. If my Droid Turbo ever dies (my first smartphone) I'll have to see if they've added Verizon support, if I remember.
mirhagk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:05:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No $300. The catch is it's Blu, which doesn't have the greatest reputation (thanks to their $100 phones, which are understandably not that fantastic)
I'd take a phone the size of my old iPhone 4 if that meant a big battery. I also miss the smaller screen, as someone with tiny hands. My Nexus 5 is great, I like having a screen on the smaller end of smartphones. I just wish it had a better battery.
Same here. Also, I feel that phones are becoming too thin to be comfortably held.
londite ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:36:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Back in the Gingerbread days of bought a Motorola Razr Maxx. 2mm thicker than the regular Razr but almost twice the battery size. I could go 4 days without recharging. Definitely worth.
And honestly I wish companies took this decision more often.
I'd happily double the thickness of modern smartphones If it doubled the battery capacity.
I'm honestly at the cusp of just soldering some massive lipo to the terminals and holding the case together with elastic bands and jbweld
Yeah, like the iPhone 5 was a perfectly acceptable level of thickness. I mean the new phones are sleek and nice looking and that, but am I going to take that over extended battery life if those are the two options? Probably not.
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 02:38:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd rather have better battery technology that's miniaturized and more powerful than today's batterys.. but HEY that's just me. You're free to carry around a car battery attached to your phone to keep that bad boy charged. ;)
mirhagk ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:11:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The thing is that that's SO far off. The very best cutting edge research gives us like 2x the storage. So great, charge every other day instead of every night.
One thing I want to see take off is e-Ink screens. They are amazing on the kindle, and I think I've charged my Kindle a total of 5 times in the entire year and a half I've owned it. With a e-ink screen the phone could last for weeks or months. But the quality is nowhere near as good yet.
Faster and more convient charging is really the only solution we have. The latest nexus plugged into a wall charges like a madman (like half an hour gives you half the battery), but we can at least increase this a lot more. Wireless charging would help if it didn't suck so bad presently, but there is a tech out there for truly wireless charge (that charges several meters away. Stick it under your desk, or behind your couch and your phone will always be charging)
Cosmic2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:51:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I really wanted one of those yota phones when I discovered them. Having the back of my phone being an e ink touch screen sounds and looks awesome. But my S5 is still going strong so I guess I'll just watch from afar...
mirhagk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:59:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's a company that made cell phone cases which include an e-ink screen. Those screens are powered by NFC. They are still quite expensive, but that's something that is really cool.
Cosmic2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:04:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yea I've seen those. Sadly they're not all that good for the price and I'm not a fan of the flip open dual screen case thing they do with their android cases.
Don't we all. But for some reason battery technology has been pretty stagnant. I have hearing aids and the only reason they can't get smaller is because of the batteries. The same ones they have been using for 20+ years.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:53:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I find that peculiar as we wen't from disposable batteries in the 90s, to rechargeable batteries in the 00s, and now in the last decade we have rechargeable battery packs embedded in all of our devices.. Some of them VERY tiny. I'm surprised to hear that hearing aids are still using those old school batteries instead of a Li Ion battery pack?
its definitely not for thinner phones, theres a phone thats 2mm thinner that still has the headphone jack..
KzBoy ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 01:02:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Problem is I need mic jack adapters, accessory adapters, tool adapters ect. All to use that slightly smaller port with my devices I need on a daily basis. Totally not worth it.
As an aside, when jobs was around they would make a workaround for ppl that needed it. An adapter for the charging port that gave you back your 1/8", or a BT wireless unit that gives you wireless 1/8" TRRS jack.....something. Now you just have to deal with it, for some folks 'dealing with it' isn't an option since the tools I use don't have wireless options, and nothing I say to the tool manufacturers will change that. I'm sure it's coming but these companies have to adapt, and that takes time.
Edit: just saw that they have an adapter. Disregard the above... :-)
Cool, $10 for another cable to keep, that you can't use while charging. Losing half the purpose of a headphone jack in of itself.
KzBoy ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:47:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh don't worry, I'm sure they sell ANOTHER cable for ANOTHER $20 that lets you charge AND get back the headphone jack they decided to remove....but hey, its .01mm thinner in your pocket (disregarding the fact that you need a whole other pocket to carry all the adapters in.)
KzBoy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:27:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thats too bad :-/
Well it cost $80, so just be happy you probably spent less one your pitchfork then the adapter....hey, now that I think about it I think I see a use for the pitchfork!
It's European standard. I would need an adapter. And that will cost extra.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:07:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This reminds me, i guess businesses that use those headphone jack card readers wont be upgrading any of their devices now
KzBoy ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:24:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, and I use them for some tools, Ryobi makes a nice line of 1/8" jack tools, lazer measurement, temperature guns, camera snake prob, ect... Not the best stuff, but handy in a pinch, and they have a nice carring case for them.
Plus I do audio tuning and I have a special tuning mic that plugs into my phone, not as good as my main rig but nice for quick readings and spot checking.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:48:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
even if they do have some sort of analog over usb adapter, it's still going to be vastly more of an inconvenience over a standard 3.5mm jack. There's a reason why it's still around over pure digital means. On top of cost, it's also pretty damn reliable vs digital means.
I can't imagine having to choose between charging a phone and being able to use headphones. Just seems really stupid.
As an aside, when jobs was around they would make a workaround for ppl that needed it. An adapter for the charging port that gave you back your 1/8", or a BT wireless unit that gives you wireless 1/8" TRRS jack
I heard they are giving bluetooth headphones, probably earbuds, and the headphone jack adapter with the phone. I did hear that on Reddit and don't even use Apple products anyway so I didn't verify that information.
Jimmy422 ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 01:24:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're including a lightning to 3.5mm adapter, but that means you can't charge and listen at the same time. They're selling wireless earbuds separately for $159
gemini86 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:33:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Will generic Bluetooth headphones work? I don't see why anyone would pay that much for earbuds that aren't done fancy high end brand name.
Salium123 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 01:34:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But they are a fancy high-end brand name, its apple.
Mukwic ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 01:41:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yea, that may be true, but in the world of headphones apple is NOT fancy high-end. Beats (owned by apple) are $30 headphones with a $300 price tag. Go check out what r/headphones has to say about it if you don't want to take my word for it.
edit: Ok, Studio beats are down to $219, but the bluetooth version is $379. The fact that they put the word "studio" in front of it is a joke, and an insult to audio engineers everywhere.
Work in live entertainment. Plenty of artists come through with the $20 skullcandys as in- ear monitors. They're available practically anywhere, they're clear and true enough to function as monitors (not like your getting an eq in your mix anyway), and they're cheap enough to just replace if they get lost in transit.
In the other hand, I've only met one guy that used beats as cans at front of house. The only reason he stood out was because his mix was crap. But I'm sure that's coincidence.
Mukwic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:27:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I never said that there was anything wrong with cheap headphones. They work, some better than others. I guess my point was that Beats are overpriced, and you could get so much more for your money.
As someone who also works in live entertainment, why wouldn't you have EQ for the monitors? If you have wedges how do you ring them out? My experience comes from running sound/playing in bands. Most people I know either just use a wedge, or any price range bud that isolates well enough. The most popular brands I've seen are Shure, Sennheiser, and Audio-Technica, to name a few. If you're making money in a band, it's not unreasonable to invest more than beer money in a decent setup.
Also, if you're a front man in a band you'll likely want to be wireless. If can shell out for a wireless kit, you can save up for decent in-ears.
At the national act level, they don't own the sound gear. Either the venue rents it (from the company i work for), or their label rents it for the tour. There are a few artists that have purchased their own gear... but for the most part, it's not worth it once you get into maintenance, upgrading, and life after warrantee.
So far as the EQ goes, yes, we EQ it to ring out the mics. We don't eq it to sound like the house. It's a functional setting, not an artistic one. But it's pretty common to have artists ask for an eq in their wedge, so they can hear what the audience does, or maybe they like a little extra low end, or maybe they're 80 and deaf from doing this shit for the last 60 years. The answer is always "no", because we have it flat and true as possible, without feeding back.
With ear buds, for the most part, they just want to hear where everyone else is at. Top notch precision replication doesn't matter if you're used to hearing everything through a 12" mono wedge. So, skullcandys or whatever else will work, as long as they're covered in your earwax, and not someone else's. And if you're doing fly-dates, or otherwise traveling outside a private bus, having disposable gear is nice. TSA has sticky fingers, luggage gets mis-routed, less reputable hands steal shit for the sake of saying "this here is Reba MacIntyre's personal toilet paper dispenser", and sometimes you're just in a rush and miss something. And it's pretty common to arrive in town at 11 am for a 2pm sound check and a 8pm show. We've had to call in favors to get sticks and strings last minute, no problem beyond delivery fees. But no way can i get a set of Sennheiser IE8s on short notice. But, if they're using cheap ones to start with, they can just send the runner to Walmart for that and a 5th of Jack and call it a day (provided they don't have 5 pair in the production work box)
Edit: and oh yeah, beats are way overpriced. I mention skullcandys by name, because they're on par for quality, but a fraction the price.
blofly ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:16:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Whoops, you misspelled 'autistic'
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 01:46:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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zorroww ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:48:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think it'll have bluetooth, a phone not having Bluetooth is idiotic nowadays
NovaDeez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:09:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That would almost be as stupid as removing the headphone jack.
L43 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:49:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They work on the old iPhone, so they will almost certainly continue to work
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:59:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They work on the old iPhone
The old iPhone could also have wired headphones plugged in while charging
L43 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:18:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, that is a limitation, I agree. But my 6S lasts all day on a single charge with constant audio playback, and fully charges in about an hour even if it does get low if you have been ripping through your battery playing PoGo or something, so I don't think it is that huge of a deal.
digicow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:38:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's likely that there'll be a 3rd party charge+audio output passthrough adapter within months. And then people will only be able to whine about adapters, not capabilities
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:36:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I read it on the Apple website, so--verified! Along with every phone comes a set of earbuds that have a lightening jack as well as a lightening to audio adaptor.
If some Chinese company can make a thinner phone with a audio jack I'm sure the engineers are Apple can figure it out. The real reason is to make you buy new gear with new plugs.
there really is no reason not to go back to 2.5mm jacks, and use them as digital connectors too
zincH20 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:26:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's 100% about the Beats headphones purchase.
Doomsider ยท 392 points ยท Posted at 01:31:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No I don't think this is close to the real reason. I personally believe they are interested in removing analog because it is a way around digital protections and lock-ins that they very much desire.
Now they can sell headphones that are digitally locked-in to a device. This means more proprietary hardware for Apple which they love and they can always license their key to access their hardware to other companies who will pay enough for it.
Finally there is a thing called digital rights management that further locks in Apple users to their hardware and services. In the near future we could see "playback device not supported" much like the issue we have seen with HDCP.
what sucks is that people dont just use those jacks for headphones, they can plug in external speakers that are typically plugged into computers, the NEXT radio app requires you to use earbuds as an antenna for the FM chip thats in most phone, even though you can still pump out the sound to external speakers.
There's just a million uses for the jack besides using earbuds to listen to music, I think there's even gieger counters you can plug into it.
edit:should be considered a legacy port, we're surrounded by legacy electronics
afafio ยท 164 points ยท Posted at 02:08:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The square reader uses the headphone jack too.. that's going to be a big problem.
ohh wow, didnt think about that, could they be laying the ground work for another product like square? although I bet Square could go bluetooth by now if they needed to.
there is actually a bluetooth square reader, but that's only for chip cards and apple / android pay. To actually swipe a card, you still have to have it plugged into the headphone jack.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:33:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
well dang. Is that just for the counter system though? I know I saw something about the tablet holder thing that can do it all, but do they have one for on the go systems?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:52:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:36:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I imagine that Square dongle's headphone jack is to just keep the device mounted to the phone, no? It's not using it for any data transfer.. is it?
cdrt ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 02:53:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It uses the microphone part of the jack to read the magnetic strips on credit cards. The data on the magnetic strip is transformed into sound and the Square app on the phone turns the sound back into a credit card number.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:08:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The reason being that (until now) the headphone jack was the only port that was guaranteed to be the same on all phones. It saved them from having to produce separate hardware for micro-USB Android and whatever special snowflake bullshit Apple was using in any given year.
jonknee ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:16:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well and the analog data on a magstripe is perfect for transfer like that.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:56:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can't they just use a bluetooth dongle for both Android/iOS devices instead of using the USB/Lightning interface?
Do you mean a Bluetooth card reader? A dongle is something that plugs into the main device (to give it Bluetooth capability, in this case).
In any case, transmitting people's credit cards via Bluetooth requires all kinds of security/encryption that isn't necessary with a direct connection, and is still an extra, unnecessary point of vulnerability. Also you'd have to worry about keeping the card reader charged...it's a lot simpler to just have it attached to your phone/tablet.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:34:50 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you mean a Bluetooth card reader? A dongle is something that plugs into the main device (to give it Bluetooth capability, in this case).
Ahh, you're that guy. :P
In any case, transmitting people's credit cards via Bluetooth requires all kinds of security/encryption that isn't necessary with a direct connection, and is still an extra, unnecessary point of vulnerability. Also you'd have to worry about keeping the card reader charged...it's a lot simpler to just have it attached to your phone/tablet.
You hand your credit card to dozens of people in a day potentially... this means that the security of transmission protocol only needs to be modest and not Fort Knox level security. Also with the new chip cards they use a one-off digital key with a public/private key I believe so even if someone does snoop on a BT connection with the latest cards it wouldn't be useful in any meaningful way unlike being able to clone a magstripe card.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:57:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for the explanation.. that's very interesting!
vimfan ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:33:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought the dongle's headphone jack was simply to facilitate bluetooth pairing. My wife's dongle is bluetooth, but uses the headphone jack. Unfortunately it doesn't work with her old Nexus 4 or new Moto G3 (because the angle on the jack opening means the plug doesn't go all the way in).
I'm not sure that makes sense. If you were making a bluetooth device, why would it require to be plugged in to a 3.5 jack?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:26:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Industry Focus (a podcast on Spotify) recently had a discussion about this. Yes this will be an obstacle for Square, but they will work around it. They have bigger plans for its customers than just payment processing (i.e. finance services). Square will adapt that sector of their business, but they are investing in much more than their dongle.
But they don't want you to use a Square reader. They want you to only use Apple Pay.
pnwlance ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:07:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think this will be as big of a problem the 7 will ship with the adapter so it'll work right away and eventually square will offer a lightning version of their reader which will actually in my personal opinion be more stable
Why is it that everyone in this thread forgets that they can still use ALL of these devices still. They are giving a cable that still has an 8th inch female adapter to it. Whether you think it's solely selfish reasons why they are doing it or not, they are moving to the future - which is wireless.
Everyone here laughing at Apple reminds me of those who laughed when iTunes and others started selling digital copies of music. Who would not want the CD people thought? Or when Apple made the hard switch to remove CD/DVD drives in their laptops knowing full well they were bulky and on their way out. Now almost all new sleek laptops omit these drives. They get laughed at first, but always have the last laugh. And to assume this will be any different is ignorant.
This has all been seen before, and it will go on until finally Samsung creates a phone with no 8th inch jack.
So it is with past technology, and so it will be with future technology.
Edit - I am getting downvoted yet no one has given me a reason why they disagree. If you are down voting because you want only the anti-apple posts to be visible that's fine, but if anyone out there has a compelling reason as to why they disagree, I'm all ears!
kescusay ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 04:19:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why is it that everyone in this thread forgets that they can still use ALL of these devices still. They are giving a cable that still has an 8th inch female adapter to it. Whether you think it's solely selfish reasons why they are doing it or not, they are moving to the future - which is wireless.
Adapters suck. Unless you're dealing with an always-on system that doesn't go anywhere, you will lose that adapter. And you'll lose it almost instantly.
Adapters suck. The constant additional wear and tear of having to take it in and out of a lightning port, which is fragile compared to sturdy old 3.5 jacks, will cause the port problems down the road.
Adapters suck. Here you go, buying a device that's supposed to simplify your phone experience, and instead you just have another device you need to carry around with you. Oh, and don't forget, you can't use the damn thing if you also need to charge the phone. Wanted to listen to that podcast at night while your phone charges on the nightstand? Nope. Simultaneous charging and listening with your existing headphones: Not yours.
Everyone here laughing at Apple reminds me of those who laughed when iTunes and others started selling digital copies of music. Who would not want the CD people thought?
Apple didn't pioneer that.
Or when Apple made the hard switch to remove CD/DVD drives in their laptops knowing full well they were bulky and on their way out.
Apple didn't pioneer that, either. Small form factor netbooks were coming out without optical drives by 2007.
Now almost all new sleek laptops omit these drives.
Because they're still netbooks. Which, again, Apple didn't pioneer.
They get laughed at first, but always have the last laugh.
Which explains why Apple dominates the online music market, the PC market, and the phone market.
Except they don't dominate any of them.
And to assume this will be any different is ignorant.
Look... I actually think Apple products are generally okay. I'm in favor of using whatever tool works best for the job at hand. I'm pretty happy with the little Mac I use for work. But it takes a very particular type of willful ignorance to avoid understanding why this particular decision on Apple's part will annoy and inconvenience a bunch of people.
Do you know what it most reminds me of? The single-button mouse. For years, Apple insisted that you only really needed one button, and its die-hard fans raved about how they never, ever needed to right-click anything, as if having to hold down the Command key and click to get a context menu was somehow an improvement.
Eventually, Apple realized that the market just did not agree with them, put their efforts into a really good multi-button mouse, and were applauded for it... by the same people who insisted that it wasn't necessary to have two buttons in the first place.
This has all been seen before, and it will go on until finally Samsung creates a phone with no 8th inch jack.
This will happen never. At least, not until there's an industry-wide replacement.
So it is with past technology, and so it will be with future technology.
1 - I never claimed apple pioneered any of these. But to deny they weren't a massive part in pushing those innovations is ignorant. I would argue they had the biggest push in both these areas when it comes to these. And thus they had the biggest backlash online when this happened, hence why I said "remember when everyone was laughing at Apple when"... It's not an opinion, it did happen.
2 - I never said adapters don't suck, but to give them shit and to say you now can't use your old headphones or a square reader peripheral is just plain ignorant.
3 - You proved your own point in saying buying a device to simplify your life. That is exactly what Apple is pushing with having no need for a wire for your headphones. Do you really think that having wired headphones is more simplified than wireless? Give me a break.
4 - I have 2 laptops, an Asus and a MacBook Pro. Both are not netbooks. Look for yourself though if you don't believe that the majority of PCs and Laptops (Mac or not) are omitting these. Why I even had to write this point pains me เฒ _เฒ
5 - Who said anything about dominating any market space? You are obviously missing the point of this thread. It's not about being pro Apple, it is about being sensible. You obviously assume I am an apple fanboy, and you know what they say about people who assume...
6 - I agree with you on the one touch mouse. But this isn't about preference on workflow, it is about simplifying. You can't stop progress, and moving to wireless is happening, whether you agree or not. Wireless power is coming. Wireless networks are almost standard. Wireless phones. Wireless HDMI. Wireless speakers. It cleans/de-clutters your life, and simplifies your dailies. This is why the comparison is quite different. You can prefer a mouse preference, but to prefer wires hanging around your neck will never be the case. And remember not to think about tomorrow's problems with today's tech. You will see more and more wireless headphones come out in the upcoming years. Quality will only increase. And as the price drops, more will adopt to the obvious better method of headphones. It has been proven in every advancement in this capacity.
Look, in all honesty I use an S7 Edge for my phone. I love it and also enjoy my MacBook Pro and IPad. But I do not think this is a negative, it will just take time for people to realize it. I am also an early adopter for tech, and have been using a set of Bose wireless headphones for a few months now. I absolutely love them and see how they will become more and more popular as time goes on.
It's not an opinion, it is fact. Data transfers via CD is archaic and dying. Even USB drives and SD cards are far better, in almost every single way. So stop living in the dinosaur age and realize that you can enjoy your life even more without CDs, VHS taps, 8 track tapes, and DVD's...
SadSorbet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:54:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
and yet they are still so prevalent that not having a cd drive is a huge pain in the arse - one you have to subvert by buying a plug in drive.
You are part of the problem if you are buying an external drive to use archaic mediums.
kescusay ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:51:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
1 - I never claimed apple pioneered any of these.
You strongly implied it.
But to deny they weren't a massive part in pushing those innovations is ignorant. I would argue they had the biggest push in both these areas when it comes to these. And thus they had the biggest backlash online when this happened, hence why I said "remember when everyone was laughing at Apple when"... It's not an opinion, it did happen.
Let's look at the netbook. It's a small and slim laptop designed for extremely high mobility rather than having every bell and whistle. Apple jumped on that bandwagon long after the early ones like the eeepc were out. I don't dispute that Apple helped popularize slim, lightweight laptops that lacked optical drives, but that simply is not their innovation. Other people saw the appeal first.
People "laughed at Apple" not because they were necessarily doing anything stupid (though the one-button mouse definitely qualifies), but because they were claiming "magical innovation" that was neither. What Apple does, and does well, is refinement. They made a really good netbook (or "ultrabook" if you prefer). But that certainly wasn't their innovation.
2 - I never said adapters don't suck, but to give them shit and to say you now can't use your old headphones or a square reader peripheral is just plain ignorant.
And I never said you couldn't use your old headphones or square reader. I pointed out 1) the suckiness of having to use an adapter to do that, and 2) the additional suckiness of being unable to charge the phone at the same time. I'm a textbook example for this, because most nights I fall asleep with my earbuds in, listening to music or a podcast, while my phone charges, and with the iPhone 7, that is a physically impossible task.
3 - You proved your own point in saying buying a device to simplify your life. That is exactly what Apple is pushing with having no need for a wire for your headphones. Do you really think that having wired headphones is more simplified than wireless? Give me a break.
I have both, but there are times when I simply prefer wired headphones. I use the wireless ones for when I'm mobile (exercise, for example), but prefer not to waste their batteries and use wired headphones when stationary. Wired headphones are also mandatory when fidelity is important.
And regarding simplicity... With wireless headphones, that's just one more charging cable you need, and battery life is a concern. Wired headphones have neither complexity added.
4 - I have 2 laptops, an Asus and a MacBook Pro. Both are not netbooks. Look for yourself though if you don't believe that the majority of PCs and Laptops (Mac or not) are omitting these. Why I even had to write this point pains me เฒ _เฒ
Huh. Took a look at one of the current top sellers from Asus, the F555. There's an optical drive in it. So let's look at another top seller, the HP 15-ay... Whoops, also has an optical drive. Maybe the top-selling Dell Inspiron 15"... Nope, it's got an optical drive, too.
In fact, to find laptops that don't have an optical drive by default, you have to look in the netbook/ultrabook styles and sizes. Which, again, Apple didn't invent.
Even Apple still includes a "super drive" in their MacBook Pros in the 13"+ range. In fact, if you search "MacBook Pro specs," you find this site: http://www.apple.com/macbook-pro/specs. And guess what's listed there?
None of this is to say removing the optical drive from netbook/ultrabook laptops is a bad idea. Mine has one that I only use very intermittently, and could easily be replaced with an external optical drive for those occasions when I need one. But you're giving Apple credit where it isn't due.
5 - Who said anything about dominating any market space? You are obviously missing the point of this thread. It's not about being pro Apple, it is about being sensible. You obviously assume I am an apple fanboy, and you know what they say about people who assume...
You were arguing that Apple is in some way the leader in all of these innovations. I countered by pointing out that 1) Apple has made and stood by mistakes in the past, like the one-button mouse, and 2) that Apple didn't actually pioneer any of the examples you used.
6 - I agree with you on the one touch mouse. But this isn't about preference on workflow, it is about simplifying. You can't stop progress, and moving to wireless is happening, whether you agree or not.
It is possible to elegantly support both wired and wireless audio, in much the same way that it is possible to support two mouse buttons. Apple has inexplicably decided not to. Their solution makes things like plugging your phone into the aux port in your car and charging it from the car battery impossible.
Wireless power is coming.
No thanks to Apple. Their phones still don't support it.
Wireless networks are almost standard.
Almost?
Wireless phones.
I'm not even sure why you're listing all this. Apple has nothing to do with any of it.
Wireless HDMI.
Please...
Wireless speakers.
Please stop.
It cleans/de-clutters your life, and simplifies your dailies. This is why the comparison is quite different.
I can envision an interface with computers that does away with the mouse. Would getting rid of any possible port for mice be a good way to introduce such a change?
You can prefer a mouse preference, but to prefer wires hanging around your neck will never be the case.
I think you genuinely have no idea how much "legacy" hardware there is out in the world, hardware that is reliable and works well, that its owners don't want to throw away just because Apple won't support it anymore. Failing to give such people an elegant way to keep using their existing hardware is a guaranteed way to keep their products niche, boutique products.
And remember not to think about tomorrow's problems with today's tech. You will see more and more wireless headphones come out in the upcoming years. Quality will only increase. And as the price drops, more will adopt to the obvious better method of headphones. It has been proven in every advancement in this capacity.
If you own one, I'd like you to take a look at the back of your fancy, modern, 4K flat screen TV. See the array of ports back there? Yeah, some of them, like the component ports, have been around more than 20 years. Why are they there? When you can answer that question, you'll understand why some people are less than thrilled with Apple's decision.
Look, in all honesty I use an S7 Edge for my phone. I love it and also enjoy my MacBook Pro and IPad. But I do not think this is a negative, it will just take time for people to realize it.
It will, clearly, be a negative for some people. People who like to plug their phones in while playing music through a wired system of some sort will not be physically able to do it, any more than they could right-click with a one-button mouse. It's that simple. I don't think this will be a problem for everyone, but it will be a problem for enough that if Apple has any dreams of going beyond the boutique, they've just shot themselves in the foot.
I am also an early adopter for tech, and have been using a set of Bose wireless headphones for a few months now. I absolutely love them and see how they will become more and more popular as time goes on.
Good for you. Your personal experience and needs do not equate to those of society at large.
Just for fun, I thought I would reply. Here we go :)
You strongly implied it.
You know what they say about people who assume...
People "laughed at Apple" not because they were necessarily doing anything stupid (though the one-button mouse definitely qualifies), but because they were claiming "magical innovation" that was neither. What Apple does, and does well, is refinement. They made a really good netbook (or "ultrabook" if you prefer). But that certainly wasn't their innovation.
No one is saying it was. But I am mentioning the backlash that DID happen when their laptops (and others) started coming out without a disc drive. If you do not remember those comments (similar to the ones today), then go back and google it.
And I never said you couldn't use your old headphones or square reader. I pointed out 1) the suckiness of having to use an adapter to do that, and 2) the additional suckiness of being unable to charge the phone at the same time. I'm a textbook example for this, because most nights I fall asleep with my earbuds in, listening to music or a podcast, while my phone charges, and with the iPhone 7, that is a physically impossible task.
So your saying a wireless headphone option would be the best scenario here? Well you are in luck! I do agree that the charging while listening is an issue though. And it was other commenters talking about the lack of peripherals you can use. I actually use the Square reader, and it would be far better with an adapter IMO. However the charging would require a second Adapter that offered both 8th inch and lightening.
I have both, but there are times when I simply prefer wired headphones. I use the wireless ones for when I'm mobile (exercise, for example), but prefer not to waste their batteries and use wired headphones when stationary. Wired headphones are also mandatory when fidelity is important.
This will not be an issue. Fidelity will be perfect, and charging solutions will become null. Do not think of tomorrows problems with todays tech. That piece of advice goes for all innovations. I don't need to explain that, it should be self explanatory.
It is possible to elegantly support both wired and wireless audio, in much the same way that it is possible to support two mouse buttons. Apple has inexplicably decided not to. Their solution makes things like plugging your phone into the aux port in your car and charging it from the car battery impossible.
What do you think pushing innovation means? There is a time where you have to stop putting diapers on your toddler, and sometimes there will be backlash. But at the end of the day, it's always the better choice.
No thanks to Apple. Their phones still don't support it.
I said it is coming. Apple is waiting to perfect the tech before they integrate it (my opinion only). S7 wireless charging is nice, but far from perfect. If it were, I would never plug my phone in, however I still do OFTEN.
Wireless networks are almost standard.- almost?
Yes, almost. I work in an office where we still use a wired network for data transfer. But it is becoming a standard in almost every situation.
I'm not even sure why you're listing all this. Apple has nothing to do with any of it.
Why do you think this is a battle about Apple? It is a debate about tech innovations and how social acceptance and progress happens. There are many scenarios that back up these claims that are beyond Apple. So take a breath and take a step off your fanboy soapbox for a bit while we have an adult conversation.
I can envision an interface with computers that does away with the mouse. Would getting rid of any possible port for mice be a good way to introduce such a change?
Yes absolutely. If and when there is a better way to navigate your desktop, then removing the mouse functionality is a great way to usher in the better solution. I am glad you can agree on that point.
I think you genuinely have no idea how much "legacy" hardware there is out in the world, hardware that is reliable and works well, that its owners don't want to throw away just because Apple won't support it anymore. Failing to give such people an elegant way to keep using their existing hardware is a guaranteed way to keep their products niche, boutique products.
No doubt, but change has to happen somehow, and it is. Thankfully in the Information era we live in, it happens faster than previous generations. But there will still be backlash from those who are stubborn.
If you own one, I'd like you to take a look at the back of your fancy, modern, 4K flat screen TV. See the array of ports back there? Yeah, some of them, like the component ports, have been around more than 20 years. Why are they there? When you can answer that question, you'll understand why some people are less than thrilled with Apple's decision.
You agreed with your own point there. Many connectors are gone. And as TVs progress, more and more ports of archaic tech will disappear. Even with Samsungs One Connect box, things are evolving. And as I mentioned as well, Wireless HDMI is out too, and is slowly becoming more appreciated in many households. TV tech has a much slower transtion based on the price, and the reliance of thrid party media. But it is no different.
Good for you. Your personal experience and needs do not equate to those of society at large.
Never said it should. But an opinion on someone who has tried these solutions holds more weight than those who speculate. At the end of the day personal opinions do not matter, and you have to base your predictions on historical cases that are similar. And these predictions and explanations I have offered are backed up in almost every single passed scenario.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:16:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trying to compare wireless headphones to CDs is a pretty weak argument.
It's actually pretty similar. CDs were a platform to deliver data in a way that is transportable. Tech advances have made those close to obsolete. So how hard is it for you to comprehend that a platform that delivers audio that is transportable can't innovate and progress? If you really think that wires are here to stay you are greatly mistaken. And just as CDs became less used, so will wired headphones.
Jesus, think about it before you reply.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:43:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wireless headphones have been around for a decade or so already. There is a reason not every one ueses them. Removing the wire doesn't make them any more "transportable". It just adds other issues and challenges. What happens of you lose a singe headphone? Can you buy a single headphone and pair it with the one you have or is it another 160$ to replace both? If the Mic is usually on the cord where is the mic on these? How much is a replacement charger? How long will the batteries hold a charge before the batteries need to be replaced? Is Bluetooth here to stay or is there going to something new and better coming out eventually? These wireless headphones are just another fad apple is trying to start to make more money. Apple has done plenty of innovative things but wireless headphones aren't one them.
It seems most of Reddit thinks about tomorrow's problems with today's tech. And right now you are assuming that wireless headphones will never improve and never drop in price. All of the issues you brought up are things that will not matter. Fun fact - did you know that people similar to you used to say the same thing when cell phones started coming out? What if the battery dies, or I lose or sit on a cordless cell phone? Well look what happened there.
Price will drop. Pairing will improve. Wireless tech (be it blue tooth or other) will improve. Backwards compatibility will come. And the problem you mentioned about losing them, well think about it this way - soon your phone will pair with them and always know where they are. Just like find my phone, so you would never lose them. Imagine being able to press the other ear bud to signal a noise that emits from the lost bud so you can find it? Amazing eh, and all the sudden when you start looking ahead you will see all of your "problems" are really non problems at all.
Tech will not stay the same as it has been for the last 10 years. And when a massive company like Apple heavily invests in a new format, the amount of money they invest in R&D will only push competitors, and improve the tech...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:31:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You are missing the point. These "solutions" are unnecessary. Apple removed a feature without replacing it with anything.
You keep making the worst comparisons. Wireless headphones are not even close to cellphones. Also the world is a totally different place now. "People similar to me" didn't grow up in the age of technology. I understand and can see the issues of these headphones. These headphones aren't going to be some magical device that changes the world. They are fucking wireless headphones. The biggest effect these will have is a bit of added
convenience because you don't have a cord. Does this convenience out weigh the issues and cost of these wireless headphones? No. You might disagree but you are wrong.
The lightning port is never going to beat USB-c. Apple knows this, but they also know they will make money off of anything that using the lightning port. This is all about Apple making as much money as possibl. People like you are going to buy the new iphone and rave about it but they are going to lose a big chunk of their market.
So if you admit that all of these things you describe about wireless headphones are not representative of the current situation, why would anyone buy a phone that only supports them until these things are resolved?
Ahhh FINALLY. Someone who has given a point that is worthy of a serious reply. Thank you so much.
That is actually a great point, and I will wait until I see and use the AirPods before I make any further judgement. Currently the wireless buds I use work great, so I already think the tech is advanced enough to move forward. And for $149, the price is not nearly that bad. Most Wireless options go for over $200, so what excites me about this change is the push for cheaper solutions with a competitive marketplace.
I agree and hope that more high-quality affordable wireless options start to hit the market. I bought some from Amazon a few months ago (can't remember the brand, they're the same ones everyone keeps posting to try to prove that they're not that expensive) and the sound quality is absolute garbage compared to any decent set of wired headphones. I love the idea of getting rid of the wire, I just don't think Bluetooth itself is quite there yet, but am excited for when it is.
I'm more concerned with the fact that I have very expensive Audio-Technixa headphones, and I wouldn't be able to use those headphones with this iPhone. I would be forced to downgrade to whatever audio quality the apple headphones have
Heystew ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:35:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or just use the lightning to 3.5mm adapter that comes in the box....
What model headphones do you have? Just out of curiosity.
(this is in no way defending the decision to remove the headphone jack. I work in professional audio and am adamantly against this.)
For some reason I didn't catch that the adapter came with it haha. Whoops. I have the ATH M50
Heystew ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:00:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Haha! That's cool! Pursue high fidelity audio! My brother just recently picked up a partially open back pair by senheiser. Not sure on the model exactly. I (and I will never be able to justify this again...) picked up a pair of Jerry Harvey Audio JH-16 pros a few years ago when I was running monitors/FOH (front of house or main house speakers) pretty regularly. They're amazing, custom molded and all. Six drivers: two low, two mid and two high. Most ear buds have 1 for everything; sometimes two until you get into higher end. Great for just listening too!
This ended up being much longer than I intended....
projz ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:35:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Those aren't "very expensive" headphones let alone top of the line so relax there buddy.
telute ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:32:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It comes with an adapter for your headphones. Problem solved?
I still only buy music on CDs, and I refuse to consider a laptop without a CD drive unless there's literally no option. Fortunately Sager still offers disk drives and Windows 7, too. These are not technologies that are on the way out, they're technologies that people are struggling to find and occasionally giving up.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:08:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That makes you an extreme edge case, though. Apple does not junk up their products chasing "everything and the kitchen sink" like all the other manufacturers used to do. That only turned out to be a race to the bottom on price and quality.
Am I, though? Most people seem to at least keep a computer with a CD drive on hand because they need it occasionally. I guess you could spend a lot of money to minimize use, but it still comes up, because it's too good a compatible, idiot-proof option for manufacturers to not use it. They just get stuck with a second box that might not actually do what they want now. Maybe I'm somewhat more unusual with music, but even physical stores still keep a healthy stock so it can't just sit there indefinitely.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:28:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. Optical media for the distribution of digital goods really only exists anymore for some video distribution, console games, and waning market momentum for audio cd's. For most anything else, if it's even an option, it's the alternative one. And (quite obviously) none of that is compelling enough to include optical drives in laptops like they were a necessary, integrated component. The market spoke with its purchasing decisions, on this one.
Anecdotally, I can't remember the last time I thought, "I'm using this external optical drive so often that it'd be nicer to carry a clunkier laptop with one built in."
You really wouldn't want your laptop a few millimeters thicker to avoid all the compatibility and portability problems? I guess I do tote around a 6 lb monster all the time, but I'd never want to give up the capabilities it has for something marginally more convenient. And I still play the majority of my games from CD, you can still get them cheaper that way (COD Ghosts is a particularly crazy example at the moment, a 6x price difference, 3x with a good digital sale), and then there's work software where sticking a CD in the package with the hardware is the easy, reliable way to do things for smaller companies. And optical media is definitely still the standard for any movie or TV show you want long term access to, alternatives for that really don't exist, unless you count torrent sites.
The whole thing just seems a lot like the complaints reddit always has about smartphones: companies are so eager to advertise that they have a thin product that they sacrifice valuable capability, and there are so few alternatives people have to buy them anyway. Particularly affordable alternatives, the whole laptop market seems to be chasing the form factor of netbooks, which became popular primarily because they provide some capability for a very low price.
I think so. Or at least there are definitely parts of the US where it absolutely is not the case about most people buying computers with cd drives. People use USB as the main input to the computer now and a lot of people stream music and movies and don't use physical media at all.
I don't deny that people are buying computers without CD drives, but it's because those are most of what's available, and they still use an old computer with one or an external drive on a somewhat regular basis. And streaming isn't replacing physical media as much as it's replacing TV and radio, which is why many radio stations were pretty early adopters. People tend to be painfully aware that just because a service has your favorite movie today does not mean they'll have it next year, so for everything they want to keep they tend to still get disks. Plus, streaming music only really works at home or work, everywhere else it's unreliable and expensive, so the files are always stored on the device. I will admit to being surprised by how many people trust iTunes, despite all the evidence that it puts your files completely under their control, but that seems like the outlier.
Are there polls on this or something? Because all I see is the manufacturers chasing size accolades while consumers struggle to accomplish what they want with inconvenient or aging hardware.
Apple is definitely trying to undercut square and other third party hardware. They want you to use apple pay, apple bluetooth, apple headphones, etc. This has always been a part of their business model.
OMG! What is Square going to do? What alternative port at the bottom of the iPhone could they have their reader plug into? If only there was a PORT! Maybe one that had LIGHTNING fast connection. Fast as LIGHTNING! But what port? Which one! WHICH ONE WOULD WORK?
So every square user has to buy a new piece of hardware or use apple pay. That is the choice apple is creating, and they are definitely hoping to poach some business from square in the process.
Also, what does it fucking matter? It's not Apple's job to make sure every home made business gets to use the same cashier hardware for all of eternity. Get bent.
Well yes. As a company, are not your customers problems in using your product your problems? We'll see if they nix it from the iPad's next release. Should be interesting.
I work in live entertainment (I'm a lighting douche). This coming weekend, I'll be working an event in a little venue run by the company i work for. Putting gels (color) in 90 fixtures alone takes a while. So, i like to plug my phone into the audio console and blast my music while i work. My favorite songs, in stereo, 20-12" mains, 40 high-end drivers, and 8-18"subs per side, with 200 amps of power (about double the maximum possible on a house) before i trip the breaker. It's one of the few parts of my job that's purely a privilege, and a feeling that few get to enjoy. Also, answering telemarketers while I'm plugged in is fun.
But consoles don't accept bluetooth, and no one's in a hot hurry to make that happen. So, that's now the #1 reason i don't want an iphone. For a moment, they seemed pretty interchangeable with Samsung.
jakub_h ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:24:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a lighting douche
Uh...OK? (I assume being a lighting gentleman was not an option?)
Gentleman? You've never met a real Roadie, have you? We aren't generally the most gently worded people. And quite a few of us are outright dicks until you get to know us. Then you realize that on the inside, we're just cynical misanthropists.
LsDmT ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:48:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well - now all those devices can adapt to the lightning port standard, which means buying more shit!
Is the lightning technology property of Apple that would require a license from people making other devices?
Edit: Yup...
Official Lightning connectors contain an authentication chip that was intended to make it difficult for third-party manufacturers to produce compatible accessories without being approved by Apple;[7] however, the chip has been cracked.
not sure what dongle you're referring to, a bluetooth dongle?
square credit card isnt bluetooth yet?
or are you referring to some kind of adapter for the type b plug that has a female 1/8 jack?
Because even if there's one of those, that means i cant charge my phone at the same time i want to play music through the FM transmitter, to my cars stereo.
Dawgi100 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:02:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Female 1/8 jack. And yes you give that up. But you have a choice to make. It's not like you're incapable of using a 1/8 jack of you want.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:57:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except they are providing an analog adapter with every device ...
As I mentioned already it is all about proprietary hardware and locking people in. What happens when you lose your adapter or need a new one. Have fun paying Apple prices for it.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:30:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can pair any bluetooth headphone or earbuds you want and you can connect any analog headphone to the included dongle, so please, tell us more about how Apple is locking us in to their proprietary hardware.
What are you shitting on. You identify a new piece of proprietary hardware you have to buy from apple but then deny locking you in. I am guessing fanboy or devils advocate at this point, but maybe you are just crazy.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:24:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What you describe is not lock-in. Lock-in is when you lock your customer in so that they have no choice but to deal with you or face substantial loss. Printer ink is a good example, if it's DRM'ed the customer has no choice but to buy from that printer company. Simply making a product that only works with one other product is not lock-in.
lomelyo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:06:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's going to be 9.00 dollars. Not expensive for a 800 dollar phone.
Wow that is really nice of them to not rip people totally off. I mean they are still making a really good profit, but at least it is not rape. Good for them!
lomelyo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:23:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No they are not. Their number one priority is for you to buy the 800 dollar phone and buy apps in their app store. That's how they make their money. They get 30% of every sale in the App Store. Nintendo is getting in the app store. It makes no sense what you are suggesting.
They believe, along with many people on the industry that switching the 3.5mm jack is good and that switching to one cable is the trend. Which is why they do it. They did it because they thought this would allow them to sell more iphones.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This means more proprietary hardware for Apple which theyv love and they can always license their key to access their hardware to other companies who will pay enough for it>
digicow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:34:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
USB audio supports right management, too. The music industry doesn't use it. Apple spearheaded the effort to remove DRM from the iTunes Music store -- they're not interested in locking users into rights management. Tim Cook Phil Schiller explicitly said that that's not a factor in this decision. You can say that he's lying, but lying outright isn't really Apple's style, nor is it precedented.
Why do you need the technology unless you have a plan to use it. The simple fact is Apple can and will likely use this technology to lockout competition and sell more proprietary hardware.
They will already be selling their exclusive Ipod dongle and who knows if a third party can also make these or if there are in fact an encrypted and locked down adapter.
I think you confuse DRM systems like HDCP with DRM like seen in the old Itunes. They are entirely different with one being related to hardware and the other related to software.
The industry can't easily adopt this technology until it is actually possible. Well guess what!
digicow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:53:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's been possible. USB Audio supports the same DRM capabilities as Lightning.
Sorry but how has it been possible with devices that have analog outputs. The Industry would need to have a lot of devices that have no option in order to really move forward with standard encryption and rights management for all audio delivery.
digicow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:59:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm saying, people have had the capability of sending audio around on USB Audio for years and the industry has expressed zero interest in enforcing any kind of rights management on that, even though USB Audio supports that. Extrapolating from that, they would similarly not be interested in doing so on Lightning Audio
What your saying makes no sense as long as we have devices that can easily go around encryption with a analog port. I am not sure you understand what this means.
digicow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:22:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So you're saying on Android, the OS or an app couldn't prevent audio playback on the analog port so that you'd be forced to use DRM'd USB Audio output? Cause the iPhone definitely could've done that anytime before now if that's what they'd wanted to do
I did, please read mine. Are you suggesting they would eliminate the way most people access their device by turning off a port.
This is silly, suddenly people would no longer be able to use their head phones. Now if all they have is just one port that is not analog and their devices are not either it is possible to force a change like this.
Not sure if you are just being argumentative at this point or you are being serious.
digicow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:37:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ok. So now the iPhone only has one port. You plug the cute little Lighting-to-3.5mm dongle Apple supplies with every iPhone 7, and now you have an analog audio output. Are you saying that Apple would "eliminate the way most people access their device by turning off a port" to prevent people from extracting DRM-free audio through it?
You accused me of not reading your post, but now you have done it twice.
Just one port that is not analog and their devices (read headphones) are not either.
You have to meet these conditions to make it practical to implement something like HDCP for audio in new Apple devices.
Please do not get me wrong, this is my opinion and where I think this will lead in the end. I could be wrong but also no one would have believed MS would one day be collecting a ton of information about usage habits to sell to advertisers when it all started out as "security updates to protect you computer" back in the days of XP.
These things tend to get abused, that is just the nature of things. I do hope I am wrong.
digicow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:51:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apple made an explicit public statement to the press that that was not their goal of this change. That's a pretty stupid thing to do if you're going to turn around and start applying DRM to stuff.
More than that, though, Apple has been siding with the users. They fought hard with the music industry to get iTunes Music store audio to be DRM free. Eventually they won, and now the music you buy from them has no DRM. Seems a little silly to go through all that just to apply DRM here.
Further, they've had 3rd party lightning audio devices on the market for a while. No sign of DRM.
Finally, you're misunderstanding something: iOS could, at any time, disable the user's analog audio port if it wanted to enforce digital DRM restrictions. In that sense, there is literally no difference between the analog port on the iPhone 6S and the one at the end of the Lightning adapter on the iPhone 7: they are both DRM-free analog audio jacks that could be disabled at the Operating System's discretion for DRM purposes. That's never happened before, though, and it won't now.
Hey, it happened with High Definition and now you are arguing what exactly. It seems to me you are saying for instance that when streaming 4k from their devices in the future they do not plan on adopting the industry standard so their devices work.
I am not sure you have thought this through honestly, and really what is so bad about HDCP anyways other than it just causes a lot of annoying incompatibility issues for hardware. It sure does keep people buying the latest and greatest though which is right up Apple's alley.
You are misunderstanding a lot. Companies don't get along very well pissing off their customers, but a change like this can be implemented when it only affects a small percentage of users is possible (See PS3 disabling Linux).
Since most people will be wireless or using new proprietary headphones it would not be an issue to just disable the port option (or not even make it) in the future.
It won't even come to that though because likely what will happen is the analog will simply be downgraded/degraded as per industries wishes which has already happened in the past.
So in the end the next next version of the Iphone might not even have an analog option at all and will likely be fully HDCP compliant.
digicow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:19:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're ignoring that Apple could've done that all along, and that Apple is the one fighting the music industry to make DRM audio not a thing.
Getting rid of the functionality that makes the analog adapter work is a nonstarter. It doesn't benefit them or their goals. They'd never do it. But hey, if they ever do, I promise I'll come right back here and admit you were right.
Doomsider ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:45:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Well as I was saying they will include some form of HDCP with their wireless streaming technology because they will have to. I don't think you understand the difference between DRM in HDCP and DRM in a file. They are not the same thing.
Ok I will take that promise, you come to me and admit you are wrong when Apple includes the proper specs in order to stream HD at 4K. You think it won't happen, which is well.... not even sure what to say, but good luck on that bet.
Oh yeah just in case you think it is not an issue already.
digicow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:47:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, I do understand that difference. I'm not talking about video and HDCP. I'm talking about streaming audio over the Lightning port. And I'm assuring you that that will not create any new restrictions as a result of the analog port's removal.
Really I am confused why you think the lightning port is not already locked down.
"Official Lightning connectors contain an authentication chip that was intended to make it difficult for third-party manufacturers to produce compatible accessories without being approved by Apple"
So your saying Apple's current workaround (by downgrading signal through reprocessing) for HDCP that is not 4k capable will continue to be used. That they will not make a HDMI adapter for lightning and they will not include HDCP in their streaming technology so that they can obtain 4k resolutions.
If you really believe Apple will never join the 4k club or find some workaround please let me know.
digicow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:07:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have no idea why you keep redirecting this to video. I'm only talking about audio, since the conversation is about the removal of the analog audio port, which didn't support video.
lol, what is this an exercise in semantics. It is encrypted and then decrypted for the the analog adapter. Are you suggesting that currenty internally that iphone encrypts audio before it is decrypted to go out the analog.
If you have some insight into this then please tell.
digicow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:05:11 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not at all. I am saying that that that's entirely irrelevant. In both cases, you get analog audio out, and the phone has the ability to degrade or disable that output if the content demands it; encryption is just a tool toward that end, it's not the only possible mechanism
mirhagk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:17:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The difference here is that if a headset suddenly did that then noone would buy the headset. Apple is able to push this out to half the market, and what's more is they control both the headsets and the phone, so it is possible.
Now I don't see music DRM being a thing here. Instead what I see is them introducing private, exclusive APIs that only apple manufactured headsets can use. Or even just proprietary APIs that android would have to license (or not have at all). It's easy to imagine stuff like surround sound, or controls or even APIs that allow a faster more raw source of audio, which decreases latency, or improves quality.
That is something apple would definitely do. And get away with. (After all they've done it for safari on the iPhones for god knows how long)
digicow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:30:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There already are (and were, before today), Lightning headphones. There already are (and were, before today), Bluetooth headphones that worked with previous iPhones, the iPhone 7, and future iPhones.
There is nothing like the AirPods already on the market -- Apple seemingly had to add proprietary extensions to the Bluetooth protocol so that when phone and speakers are both Apple-controlled, better audio and other control features can be used. Will 3rd party devices have access to this? No, probably not. But the real point is that the Bluetooth committee should see this and get comparable industry-standard features added to the spec, which Apple will someday support.
It's not quite as benevolent as, say, Tesla, whose cars are designed to be proof of concept and they give away their patents to make it happen. There is a concept of profit involved ("We implemented this better than anyone else, so we should make money from it till everyone else catches up"). But it will improve the market as a whole, and that's a worthy thing
mirhagk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:10:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
which Apple will someday support.
LOL. Just like USB? We got type-C now, there's absolutely no reason for lightning.
The difference is that most other companies don't control both sides of the market (heck the competitors don't even really control both hardware and software, it's 2 separate companies) so they will improve on things and make it in a way that is either an open standard or something very close to.
Sure they should be allowed to reap from their own inventions, but it's not really reaping from their own inventions here, it's reaping from the fact that they have unfair business practices (exposing crappy APIs to everyone else, but using a better one internally). Just like NFC where they exclude anyone else to give their payment platform a chance to survive. They didn't invent NFC, they just chose to make it so that the hardware was artificially locked down.
It's not like they are doing groundbreaking inventions here. Everything iPhone does has been in an android phone for at least a year before it makes it into an iPhone.
digicow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:17:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
NFC payment was a miniscule niche with glacial rollout plans before Apple Pay. Now people can actually use it in the real world. That's a significant advantage. No, they didn't invent it, they just made it useable, just like they did with USB.
mirhagk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:23:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah see I live in Canada where our banks and payment systems don't suck with rollouts. We got chip and pin a decade ago, we've had NFC tap on debit/credit cards for a while now (quite a bit before apple pay I could use tap pretty much everywhere) and we don't have a penny.
digicow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:56:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Time will tell, but nothing in Apple's history suggests that this is the case. Phil Schiller even told the press explicitly, โThe idea that thereโs some ulterior motive behind this move, or that it will usher in some new form of content management, it simply isnโt true,โ he says. โWe are removing the audio jack because we have developed a better way to deliver audio. It has nothing to do with content management or DRM โ thatโs pure, paranoid conspiracy theory.โ
Maybe he's lying, but it's a pretty stupid lie to tell when you could just... not do that.
Really who knows who will be in charge of Apple in even five years and Apple's history isn't anything to get excited about considering they have always and continue to struggle with their proprietary nature and their walled garden philosophies.
Maybe they will continue to open up and release their stranglehold, but in the past they have been quick to sue and go patent supernova on competition which does not speak highly of their IP especially considering how absolutely borrowed it has always been.
digicow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:06:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're certainly much better than they used to be. They open sourced the base of their operating system, their web browser, and their programming language.
They worked with Intel on technology like Thunderbolt, instead of continuing to stick with Firewire. They forced the industry to adopt its own standard of USB in the 90s. Lightning is an outlier, but only because the USB standard wasn't keeping up technically at the time. The Airpods use Bluetooth instead of some proprietary RF.
I'd say that their recent history definitely indicates a good trajectory toward openness and away from closed, proprietary systems.
lomelyo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:11:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
lol if you think they care about drm music in 2016. Apple of all people, they even released itunes match for pirated music.
The simple fact is Apple can and will likely use this technology to lockout competition and sell more proprietary hardware.
They can't lockout the competition, this is going to push Android to adopt and develop the USB-C standard which they will eventually. And apple will adopt it eventually too, because they already have with the Macbook.
This is a good thing for technology. You'll see when you hear in 2 or 3 years people trying to argue how Apple didn't have anything to do with this.
Not sure how you are confusing something like the DRM in HDCP with the DRM in music. One is a standard for transmission in the digital realm the other is a method of protection for a file. Not the same thing.
They can't lockout the competition, not sure if we are talking about the same company. Sure they have made some strides in opening up but they are NOT an open platform or anything like that.
This is neither good or bad for technology it just is. I would not argue Apple has had anything to do with innovation except mass marketing it.
That is hardly a sign of progression rather proliferation of one version or viewpoint of what technology could be. In the end their choices around openness has cost them the cell phone market they once dominated.
lomelyo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:47:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I guess I understand what you meant. That it's unfair that people have to pay the $4 dollar licensing fee for the Lighting and that they are using that to lockout competition. I don't think that fee is going to achieve that. HDCP does suck, true. But any digital standard is going to have it, regardless of who makes it, I don't think it will affect audio because it can't be protected in the same way because AFAIK there are no digital speakers yet.
I think that this will push other phone manufacturers to push for USB-C which they inexplicable haven't done. So I think it's a good thing that Apple makes their products better.
The lighting connector is many many many many times better than Micro-USB and the Galaxy s7 doesn't even have it. It's fucking ridiculous.
It's easy to criticize Apple because one phone represents the whole ecosystem, but every single manufacturer out there is worse. Collectively, they come up with things that can compete. But so far there is no perfect phone. Just preferences.
Totally agree with you here. Yes it would be nice to be using open standards and have an open platform. We just are not their yet and so far Apple in my opinion has done little to actually change their course.
They are proprietary and closed and in the end (once again just my opinion) actually work against the progress of technology by not adopting the open standards that would free hardware and software from the control of marketers, licencors, and bureaucrats.
lomelyo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:02:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your opinion is fair. I think we are making a distinction here though. The people who actually ship the standards are the ones pushing the worldwide progress of technology.
Apple pushes the progress of technology for a select few, who likes things a certain way and in a capitalistic way, which due to its rapid changing nature can be unfair to the consumer. Fortunately, technology advances so fast, that others do catch up.
natas206 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:18:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why do you need the technology unless you have a plan to use it. The simple fact is Apple can and will likely use this technology to lockout competition and sell more proprietary hardware.
They will already be selling their exclusive Ipod dongle and who knows if a third party can also make these or if there are in fact an encrypted and locked down adapter.
Right. Apple has been doing this for ages. They always make money off their adapters and additional hardware. Remember ADB cables? Now of course there is the USB-C port on their MacBook, which would be fine if it wasn't literally the only port, meaning you have to buy their overpriced adaptor/hub to connect everything else. "But the future! Everything is wireless!" no, it's about making money.
wprtogh ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 01:51:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ding ding ding! This is the correct answer.
vaesh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:05:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
fuck off with your dings. like you're the decider of the correct answer.
imperabo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:44:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
PyroDesu ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:30:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds perfect, I love hardware that feels like I could murder someone with it.
(Seriously, I just really like a good, solid device. I don't mind an extra bit of heft - in fact, I like it. What's the point of hardware that feels like handling a thin sheet of glass?)
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:12:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There are good compromises on this. For years the Mac laptops felt much sturdier than 95% of the competition. Phones have done what the laptop market did, though. There's precious little market for a Panasonic Toughbook of mobile phones.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:59:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:17:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Still using an s5 active here. 3 years in its been washed multiple times, submerged multiple times, dropped, thrown, smacked, kicked, stepped out, and left outside for 2 days straight in temperatures under 15 degrees Fahrenheit and parked on top of by a jeep liberty for 8 hours before being found.
My battery has maybe 2 less hours per charge than when I got it but I'm pretty sure that's an age thing.
kikitron ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:58:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The BEST thread and all too Tru reasoning behind phone strength. ARE YOU LISTENING PJINE ENGINEERS?
Why dont they just make the phone as thin and beautiful as possible then let the end user decide how much protection they want. Hell, let them even pick how it looks and feels, too! Oh yeah, and make the outer portion cheap and replaceable in case it gets damaged, so they dont have to buy a whole new phone. I think I'm onto something here...
Cronock ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:39:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is honestly one big reason. A thinner case means that quality protective case such as the Magpul cases don't have to be HUGE like the original Otterbox cases to offer the same level of protection. But with thin, you get a choice. I would prefer a thicker phone with more battery, but I see the appeal. You can be compatible with a broader audience this way, and that's exactly what Apple wants
Korbitr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:15:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because different people want differently levels of protection. Some people are willing to have little protection in favor of a slimmer phone get a thinner case, and people who are willing to get a thicker case for more protection buy that. And cases allow people to customize the appearance of their phone. Additionally cases can be easily changed if you want to go a different direction, or if it gets damaged.
Oggel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:04:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I use a case so that wheni drop my phone (not if, you always drop your phone eventually) I can just change my cracked case for like $10 instead of having to change a cracked screen.
Complete non sequitur. The question was why phones weren't made rugged to begin with, and you answered "I use a case so my screen won't break".
Oggel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:09:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My point is that it doesn't matter how "rugged" you make a phone, it can still break. But if you have a case, the case breaks first and you can just change it instead of having to change the screen or get a new phone.
Because you remove the option of not having to use a case and having a super slim phone. Making the phone itself bulky and rugged would be the same as removing the headphone jack, it removes the consumer's option of choosing whether or not they want it a certain way.
Because apparently the market is new enough that people still don't know what they want. People buy shiny thin phones because they don't realize a thicker one would give twice the battery life and fall protection.
Best reason is when you have a case and you beat it up enough, you can replace it. or if you simply want your phone to look/feel different, replace the case. Then again, I'm a clumsy and style obsessed loser, so you can do your own thing.
Better than lifeproof? I've only ever used lifeproof and it kept my phone safe, and I think it was slimmer than otterboxes... I never really tested its limits though.
awhaling ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:38:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Definitely better but it's not waterproof. The rubber helps a ton with protecting the shock, unlike the life proof.
Source: have both. Use lifeproof at the beach and otterbox when longerboading because my phone falls out all the time while longboarding but I keep it in case I need for an emergency
awhaling ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:51:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sure thing, I use the commuter and it's sufficient. There is a better one, but it has a screen protector built in. I hate those with a passion. So I got the second best one in terms of defense. It's much slimmer, and the the rubber boarders are big enough to protect the screen. I have dropped it many times while going 30+ longboarding and my phone falls out and tumbles down the hill. Commuter works great, but the defender is better, just too bulky for not that much more protection.
I have the commuter for both the 5 and the 6s
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:23:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Where it on yo hip so they know that we hip
Source: am not hip
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:41:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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coinpile ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:49:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That case isn't going to do a bit of good if you apply pressure to the screen only, which I'm assuming your friend did. He didn't think about the physics!
Shux_ ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 01:54:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Troy and Abed in the morning!
Skadwick ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 02:44:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd honestly like to see a study on this. Most of the people I know in the software field with me go with no cases, and I never see them with damaged phones.
It's not at all comparable. The most useful part of car insurance is third party, so you can cover damage you do to other peoples expensive cars. that's not a thing for phones.
Pluxar ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:53:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you have an android you can just buy a screen replacement on amazon for like $10, for the one time it happens.
How would insurance equate to screen covers or protectors? Neither are gonna be a guarantee of safety nor will they reimburse you for losses even if your phone broke/cracked while using them. Most protectors and cases can't seem to go a good enough job to justify even having one.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:55:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If t happens that rarely, however, it's worth paying for that one freak accident (if it even occurs) instead of throwing away money every month "just in case."
jakibaki ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:55:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But op made it seem like they are bound to happen.
boxzonk ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:43:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Accidents happen. You're betting $600 that you won't drop it every time you touch it when there's not a case on it. If you're comfortable with that, that's fine I guess.
I haven't ever broken a screen on a phone, until 3 months ago. It still sucked to shell out 500 smackers for a new one, and I'm reasonably well off. I'd say a $15 phone case is a worthwhile investment (and my phone only wasn't in one because mine had fallen apart a few weeks before and I was too lazy to order a replacement).
The best thing would be a phone manufacturer that built the device so that there was a bezel or something and it was difficult to break the screen.
Fun fact, my screen cracked while being 'safely' inside my pocket. Most have bumped into something. (Moto X 2014, which is known for having a fragile screen)
Zajdo1993 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 02:39:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've had one Android phone screen get cracked in the 7+ years I've been using them. You have to be incredibly stupid to crack the screen on an Android phone. I say that as an incredibly clumsy person that drops his phone at least once a week.
I was like you until it happened to me with my Nexus 5. One day I stopped to take a picture of a lovely purple flower, I lost my footing, and the phone landed face down on the pavement. I still remember the feeling of my stomach dropping as I caught my first look at the screen.
I was like me until I was running to class and dropped my galaxy note 2. Nothing has happened since then or before then. Hell my G1 is still in great condition despite all the abuse it got.
Man, I was walking across the parking lot with some co-workers and somehow flung my Nexus 5 like a frisbee across the pavement (I was pulling it from my pocket and somehow did this). It landed face down and slid for about 25 feet. Not a scratch and no cracks. I was honestly shocked.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:57:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Unless its a Sony phone, shatters like suger glass and the screen stops working. A finger nail could probably scratch the screen.
I used to be a member of the No Case Master Race, but then my Android phone screen died entirely when it fell from the breast inside pocket of my motorcycle jacket to land on a linoleum floor. I'm 5'8" so that shouldn't be a significant fall, but it did the phone in. And no I didn't look at the board and see if there was something that just needed solder.
Now I use a phone case, but I still own an old phone. I might have conceded the phone case ground, but I'm still holding the "Hardly use it--just try to convince me to pay for an upgrade I don't need ground."
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:48:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah seriously. How do so many people crack their screens? Did your parents not teach you to respect your stuff? I've only cracked one screen as well and it's because a tire rolled over it while I was putting on a spare. I didn't realize the tire was heavy enough to cause so much damage on its own. I never use a case.
I had mine crack in my front pocket. All I was doing was sitting down on an amusement park ride. Nothing I can think of would have broken it except maybe the lap bar but maybe. I just know I got off the ride and went to look at my phone and it had bleed through and a semi noticeable in a certain light crack down the center.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:16:42 on September 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I learned from my first Android to face the screen towards my leg when its in my pocket for this very reason.
After that happened I learned that lesson as well.
toth42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:31:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not true. I've never cracked any of mine, but I've seen plenty of cracked Galaxy Sx. Especially now with the little curve on the screen, a pocket drop when exiting your car is enough.
Source: wife did it yesterday, her screen is now dead and she uses my old Huawei Mediapad as a phone.
I am no case, no screen protector and I use it in the gym and haven't had it break at all. I went from an HD2 to a S7 so I've had it that long. The only reason I ungraded finally was because the buttons were beginning to fail.
I don't know what people do that they just drop their phones constantly. If you can't hold onto a phone maybe a $500+ accessory isn't right for you.
kohlzor ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:55:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am the same way! They made the iPhone thin for a reason why add a bulky case to ruin aesthetics and then have that brick sit in your pocket.. Enjoy the phone the way they designed it to be..
Yea, you say that until it happens to you, and then you understand how fragile they can be. I went 5+ years without a case, couldn't understand how people crack their screens. Then one day my morning wake up alarm went off and I slightly fumbled it, it bounced off the carpet and tapped the edge of the nightstand, completely shattered the screen.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:51:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It has happened to me once in my 10 or so years of owning phones. It was from a rare incident and honestly since it is such a rare occurrence for me, I still don't use cases. So no. Once it happens to you you don't understand. It's like being hit by a car because you didn't look both ways. Look both ways! Look after your phone!
Well, people with common sense understand. Getting hit by a car is rare too, by your logic that means DON'T look.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:20:22 on September 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No? Look both ways when crossing the street and fucking hold your phone when you're using it. Simple as that. I've been told for years that I'll drop my phone and regret not having a case and so far so wrong. Have some responsibility, people. It's not hard to treat your electronics with respect.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:54:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Let me put a case on my stylish $800 smartphone so no one can see it. Let me also put bubble wrap on my brand new Camero as well. In fact I should put plastic coverings all over my clothes so they don't get stains and on my furniture.
"Hey, let's not buy insurance because I've never been in an accident."
I think you may change your tune on the day that $800 becomes a paperweight. In the mean time, have fun with your "style".
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:18:54 on September 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No I will not. I can afford it. I know the small risk. But I'm responsible and am not worried about it anyway. If my clumsy friend drops it while drinking however I'll pay, no big deal. Putting a case on a beautiful phone is really extra. I stand by my Camero reference. It's just dumb. But people don't think this way because they're used to it.
I travel a lot for work. If my phone breaks, I literally cannot get my work done. It's my mobile office.
You better believe I protect it from the many cabs I get in and out of, the planes I travel on, the hotels I visit. Without that phone, I make my company no money and that sucks.
You're right, it's an expensive smartphone...and the amount of chances it has of breaking in a day are insane. Why wouldn't I protect it?
You've never gotten a girl pregnant without a condom either.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:01:20 on September 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am angry that the industry has pushed "put a case on it" instead of just making their hardware more durable. That's not what angers me though. What angers me is people like you who think you're better than people like me because you don't know how to hold something.
billhound ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:49 on September 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You are angry. Stop being so mad that I am ok with a case and you aren't.
I've never said you're wrong, it's just I have to rely on my phone. I can't take chances. Let's put it this way, I'd rather look silly with a case and have a flush bank account than have it break and miss an important meeting because I can't find the place.
We have different lives, but I do believe that you're the angry one telling me why I'm dumb.
I cracked my first phone ever a few months ago (been using Android since 08) it's not a bad crack and honestly I spend 99% of my time on reddit with the black background where you literally can't see it at all. That's my defense. And it had a fucking case on it anyway!
I even bought a new phone and returned it because I just can't be bothered spending that money when I love my old, beater Nexus 6 so much. I'll get something eventually.
I've had my iPhone 6 for almost two years with no case or screen protector. There are no scratches on the screen and minimal damage to the corners and back. I've dropped it multiple times but never in a way that would destroy it. This is my 3rd iPhone. I have never had a broken screen although earlier models seemed to scratch easier on the glass.
Maybe it's just the way I've carried my phones, but I've always had a naked phone from my Nexus 1, S and now 5 and I've never had a cracked / badly scratched screen. Some light scratches on the case I guess.
Meh, I have never used a screen protector or case or anything in over a decade of smartphone use. I've also never had a cracked screen. But I also don't go around dropping my phone everywhere or whatever it is most people do. Although now I've probably jinxed myself.
I don't know. I never had a case on my Droid, Revolution, or S4. None of them ever cracked. I had one on my Note 5 and S7 though. Mostly cause I dropped my S4 so much the back got all scratched up, and the plastic chrome edges had big chunks missing. The screen and functionality were fine though.
I don't understand how so many people shatter their screens...
Watch. I'm gonna fucking break my screen now.
fb5a1199 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:51:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've had numerous Android phones (about 9) and 2 iPhones. Both iPhones have cracks. The Android phones are blemish-free. All of my android phone had Gorilla Glass. I'm not sure what cheap glass Apple is using on their phones, but it's awful.
Pluxar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:52:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then I'll just buy a screen replacement for $10 on amazon.
Only if you use Iphone. I've used my galaxy with out a case, Still no cracks on screen. No scratches. And I know I do drop it a little more than occasionally.
Everyone I've seen operating a phone with a cracked screen had an Iphone.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:00:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
tbh, I really dont care about the cracked screen. I only really use it as a hotspot anyway, or at work on the shitter.
Fa6ade ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:31:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or be like me and never drop your phone because you're not a moron who drops things all the time. I've had my 6s for a year and it doesn't have a single scratch on it.
Somehow I'm struggling to reach this final step of evolution, I've been trying for many, many moons... using smartphones since before they became a thing, never had a screen protector, never had a case...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:39:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What do you bulky Cade people do with your phone's? I've never accidentally cracked a screen. You just take your phone out carefully and slowly. Hold it firmly. It's not magic, it's common sense.
dblink ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:10:36 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've been rocking smartphones since the first iPhone and have never cracked the screen or damaged it from dropping, and I'm pretty klutzy.
Started with a Moto Droid in 2009, have yet to even scratch a screen let along crack one. No case, no screen protector. I have no idea what the fuck people are doing to their phones, tbh.
You, like every case-less phone owner, will find out that glass can be very strong or very fragile depending on how it's struck. Just because it survived a fall doesn't mean it will survive a similar one. It will happen to you, but until then, bask in the bliss of ignorance ๐
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:52:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I cannot stand the ruined optics from a screen protector, yeeeeech.
I never used a case and I haven't used a screen protector in years. It is possible to have a phone for a long time and upgrade without any scratches or cracks.
Serantos ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:16:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I generally have a phone for 3 years, the screens don't scratch anymore. I could understand the tempered screen protectors though. I do worry about dropping and cracking my screen, but just everyday use? It doesn't scratch, no need to baby the damn thing.
I sell phones, people like you raise my blood pressure. I know you'll be back in 2 months complaining about how expensive fixing/replacing the phone is. Then demand I do something because you are a loyal customer. I'll ask if you have insurance, but of course you don't, you're too cheap for a case, let alone insurance.
I'm sure you aren't like that, but man some people I have to deal with...
I'm with you. I can't stand the bulk of a phone case in my pocket. And I'm for sure not gonna be one of those guys with the clip case on my belt. And screen protectors are out dated. I can take a knife to my screen and no matter how hard I try it's not scratching. But as always there are exceptions, I have a friend who is a mason, without a screen protector the sand will scratch the shit out of his phone.
My Note 7 is the first time I've added something to my phone - the thing is so slippery that I put some black grip tape on the back so I can hold it without slipping.
Aside from that, always been naked and never had a cracked screen or serious scratches.
Serantos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:13:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have the HTC 10, and this thing is damn slippery, I've been thinking about the ice view case for it, doesn't add much for protection, but makes it easier to hold... It's such a good looking phone though.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:37:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is your middle name "danger"?
GorillaX ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:26:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't have a case on my Note 5, but I do have a pop socket on the back. Can I still join up?
Serantos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:46:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is that a bottle opener? If so, then you're in!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:34:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm on my 3rd phone since I quit buying cases and protectors and have yet to see a crack or anything. I'm not super light on them either. Phones are tough.
My sister on the other hand... she buys her phone cases from Tony Stark I'm pretty sure and her phones still become confetti after a couple months. No idea what she's doing to them.
Exactly - Like yellow cake, you just don't drop that shit. It's really not that hard, from pocket to face is a whole two feet or so. Honestly, are these people doing Daunte Culpepper impressions while taking selfies on the tilt-a-whirl, or just limp handshake type folk? I get that some people are clumsy, but jesus, what happens if someone were to hand them baby with no Otterbox on it?
Phone cases are like condoms - Sure, it might be nice to the touch, and might feel better and be smoother - but is it really worth the extra risk if you have no other form of protection?
I think it has to do with a textured back on the phone. I know the metal and wot not looks slick, but there's something to be said for feeling like you're not holding a rod in your hand.
Richy_T ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:42:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I also don't use a case. But I did put the QI back on my S5 and that does make it feel better in my hand.
They make them thinner for that very reason. People want to put their own case on their phone, so it needs to be thin enough so that adding a case doesn't make it too thick
Maybe phone manufacturers should recognize this and start housing phones in some type of case before you buy them. Couldn't they just get, say,brushed aluminum, hard plastic, and gorilla glass, and cover the electronics with that, and just make it part of the design? They could even have perfect holes for all the jacks and speakers. The perfect case.
But the thinner they make it, the more fragile it is, and the thicker the case will need to be. If the phone was thicker, the case could just be a thin sheet of plastic, with maybe a little border around the edges. The case could be lighter if the phone was good enough to stay in one piece all by itself.
For the same reason backpackers select lighter equipment to put in their packs. A thinner phone with a case is still thinner than a bulky phone with a case
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:56:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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coinpile ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:50:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just carry a battery bank and a solar charger. Overkill honestly, but that peace of mind is pretty sweet.
Because if a phone is thick it's not going in a case at all.
K5cents ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:49:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not exactly for the thinness. In terms of length the 3.5mm is really big compared to USB-C or Lightning. The analog jack port has to go into the phone quite a lot. Inside the phone is where they have to fit all the important bits.
I don't buy into the slim ideal, but an argument could be made that the tinier the phone, the tinier the case - thus getting you to a comfortably pocket-able phone that's protected.
Is it true that the majority of people use phone cases? Maybe it's a regional thing but near me it seems like most people don't. (I do, so I'm just genuinely curious)
I want better batteries in my phones which means they would need to be a bit bulkier to support them. Slim phones hold us back from better batteries. We need to get beyond it just "getting through the day."
Cause when looking at phones in the store the thinnest one feels the most high end and fancy. Idk?
I've heard that before and it makes sense. I really like thin phones. I take my case off whenever I'm home because it feels better without it.
That being said. I'd be all about a phone that's a quarter or even half inch thicker if it meant I didn't have to charge the goddamn piece of shit thing twice a day. I don't want a fast charger that stops being fast after 6 months cause some connection got a bit loose or fouled or somthing. I just want a bigger battery.
anoxy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:38:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I put my phone in an ugly case so everyone else must.
What? I don't understand why people need cases, it completely ruins the shape. If you're not clumsy, then you won't drop it. And even if you do drop it, the newer iPhones are super tough (feel free to watch drop tests if you don't believe me). Cases are overall just a stupid idea in my opinion.
A lot of the bigger screen comes down to the obvious engineering decision brand blasphemy of not having a huge top and bottom bezel with a stupidly tall physical button.
If only there were some portable device with small speakers that one could use to augment their smartphone's audio capabilities. Perhaps one that could be plugged into a 3.5 mm jack.
00zero00 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They added an extra speaker where the fucking headphone jack was, so now I can watch shitty vertical video on Facebook with stereo sound! Plus, we get the annoying camera bump. I would quite happily pay a slight premium for an iPhone 7++ that was thicker so that the camera bump was flush, that used the extra space for a 3.5mm jack and more battery.
90% of my phone use is to read Reddit. The rest is YouTube and browsing. I remember when I first bought my Nexus 6p there were reports that the microphone didn't work properly and i didn't care less. My phone is just a small entertainment computer.
Generally makes it more likely to shatter the first time it slips out of your hands lol not to mention battery life can't last as long which I would rather have in a second.
But it had nothing to do with a slim phone as it didn't get thinner. I really think Apple does their homework and likely knows exactly how many of its 1 billion iPhones gets a headphone jack plugged into it and likely knows how many charge their phone while pods are plugged in. The vocal are the ones that do this exact thing...i imagine there are many many more who just don't care as they stream their music to speakers, or already use wireless headphones or wouldn't want to be plugged in twice to listen to music. Everyone should do a "remind me in 5 years" for everyone of these threads and see how important this actually is. I hope this propels the wireless tech and hopefully wireless charging to a point where no one will miss wires. Wires on a mobile device will be gone in 5 years, but only if someone makes the move.
Uh my brand new note 7 still lets me use regular headphones and it's not bulky also (lets ignore the exploding battery issue its rare and they are already working on it anyway lol). I left apple for samsung/andriod 3 phones ago and I will never go back. This note 7 is such a powerful phone and can do so much. IPhone has really fallen behind.
The dimensions of this phone are literally identical to the 6S
goal2004 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:12:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a 3.5mm jack. Even if you add all of the outside stuff it's still plenty thin. Better yet, come up with a new design that only really includes 60% of the jack (if it had a side of it sliced off) and the rest is left exposed to the outside. That way it's cool, slimmer, and still perfectly functional.
Rindan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:46:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why of fucking why do they have to make them thinner? Screw head phone jacks, just make the thing a few fucking mm thicker so that the battery lasts longer. You forget about the thickness of your phone 10 seconds after you first touch it, but I sure as shit rage about my battery dying every single time it happens.
Every time some asshole reviewer shows some phone profiles and comments on how one is like half a mm smaller than the other, I wish for that reviewers fingers to break so they never write another review. I swear, those asshole reviewers are encouraging them. It's okay to say, "this phone is like all the other phones", instead of spending three pages on the aesthetics of the damn phone. Jesus fucking Christ, no one cares, and anyone who does is an awful person. Yes, that might mean a phone review is boring and short.
I'll tell you what I want in phone reviews; consumer reports style testing to figure out how long it is going to last, how long the battery will REALLY last in a year, and shit like that. Babbling about beveled edges and curved screens means shit when your phone's battery is dead.
How actual battery is not the #1 most important stat on any phone is utterly and completely beyond me. Twenty fucking paragraphs on how many sheets of paper thinner one phone is over the other, and a "Uh, the manufacture says the battery will last 7 days, so I guess we believe them because fuck testing shit, let's talk more about beveled edges."
darderp ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:00:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
iPhone 8: Removed camera, external camera module available for $599, plugs into lightning port.
Which no one needs and only gadget fetishists want.
Seriously, they only make the stupid things thinner because there isn't really much to set them apart from whatever the previous generation is, especially in the tactile sense. Making them thinner is just marketing "Ooh, look, it's thinner! Spend another 700$ so you can send text messages and snapchat!"
sbowesuk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:37:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is that a bulging two-lens camera in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me.
the funny thing is, Igay users have the biggest, the most thickets phone covers I have ever seen. Look at your average user, everyone uses big thick covers, pointless.
That beats acquisition was a big decider in my recent switch to Android, I just see the brand as kind of ghetto trashy and I lost all respect for Apple by proxy
Why is Beats ghetto or trashy? I mean, sure their headphones are incredibly overpriced and obnoxiously trendy, but in what way are expensive headphones ghetto or trashy? Is it just because they've got Dr Dre's name on them?
but why describe it as ''ghetto'' or ''trashy''?. Its basically the apple of the headphone market; looks good, overpriced and above average performance.
Right. Ghetto, trashy headphones are the $1.00 bargain bin headphones at the shady corner store where you have to wrap them in electrical tape to prevent the wires from separating 5 minutes after plugging them in. I have a hard time categorizing $100+ ear buds and $200+ headphones as ghetto.
I can't speak for all beats detractors. But in my case it's because part if it would be that they seem to focus their advertising on a more urban market, but it's more than that, they are a 30 dollar speaker wrapped in 200 dollars worth of branding, they are the perfect example of what I would consider "Ghetto fabulous" a hollow display of wealth that says "I don't know anything about technology, I'm motivated purely by my need to impress other dumb people".
True, but it does kinda feel like something they will be eager to remove once people are more used to the idea. Also, I would hate to have that adapter in my pocket all the time
the wireless earbuds, which is the entire reason they got rid of the jack, to transition from wired to wireless, are $160. You telling me you're willingly going to pay $160 for wireless earbuds from Apple? If not, and you still plan on using wired headphones, then there was no need to get rid of the 3.5mm jack in the first place.
Cronock ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:50:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you're saying there is no need, then you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the issue. Look at the size of that jack compared to your phone, then you need the supporting adapter hardware internally, as well as the issues that come with ingress points in the phone. Dust/lint/liquid.. I'd personally have that space back for 30 minutes more battery and the water resistance rating on the phone now means a crapload less income for apple due to repair and phone replacements. Also, it does allow you to get rid of or bypass the DAC and lets audiophiles go pick a far superior set of headphones or a quality stereo.
There are so many reasons to get rid of it, while I am sad to see it go, Apple won't be punished by the market for this other than a little bad press from people that misunderstand the facts in the incredibly short term.
Its not like anyone is compelled to buy those... as with any $160 dollar headphone, only those with the resources and desire to have them will buy them. Other than that, most of us will continue to use our headphones as we always have, except they may sound a little better. Not to mention it comes with a 3.5 mm adapter...
And yes there is a reason... You just refuse to listen to it. Headphone jacks are ancient. They provide shitty sound quality and are vulnerable to all sorts of damage. By changing they will be able to provide better sound quality, better resistance to damage (including water), and the phone will have one less common failure point.
For the record I'm an iPhone 6 user and I love it; sleek, user friendly, and I don't care about the hardware inside of it if it works. However, there are already several phones with 3.5mm jacks that are waterproof on the market right now, so if its possible I want the jack.
By eliminating the headphone jack, I can no longer charge my phone and listen to music at the same time, which may not be a big deal to everyone, but on long drives to see my family on holidays and such, I need to use a GPS which kills the battery and now I am going to be restricted from listening to music while charging my phone? I don't have any bluetooth capabilities in my car, I just graduated college in the Spring and still have an older car. I know this is supposed to be a transition, but its too earlier for me to make it with these limitations
Cronock ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:55:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Since there are already docks that can charge and have a headphone out port, I think an adapter that contains both audio out and lighting in will hit the market with haste. My car is the low end trip package yet newer model (3 + years old) and it has bluetooth, and I've used the heck out of it. But I will likely upgrade to a carplay stereo in the future for better interoperability. If you plan on keeping your car a while, think about investing in a new head unit with bluetooth and hands free talk. You'll be happy you did.
$9? Are you kidding me? So if someone loses a small cable that they are forced to carry around now, they have to pay $9 for a new one? Fuck that. I would rather, ya know, just have the headphone jack built in and not deal with carrying around some expensive adapter.
Well I do have have a more economical phone with more features and less things stripped away. Don't act superior and dismiss a standard that many people still use just because you waste money on expensive stuff.
hghhahahhahahaha telling me I act superior? What a hypocrite....
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:43:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's right though, you were. Calling him a baby, "kicking and screaming" is just obnoxious.
Cronock ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:42:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
um.. it COMES with the adapter for stereo minijack. This argument is completely invalid. It also COMES WITH a pair or pretty good quality digital earbuds.
except for when you are listening and your battery is low and need to charge. cant do both at once.
Cronock ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:17:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
ah, for sure.. I, for one, charge my phone while I sleep. I don't know why you decide to charge yours at such inopportune times. But I'm certain a fix for your complaint is quick to the market, as This already exists
when I drive a lot using nav and listening to music it drains pretty quick
Cronock ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:27:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're driving with headphones? That's illegal here at least. Simple solution otherwise would be to have it be on a charger during this time and be using bluetooth to the radio. Most modern cars have bluetooth audio.
no i plug in to the aux port on the car stereo and listen through that my car doesnt have bluetooth
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:26:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not everyone uses their phone once a day for ten minutes.
Cronock ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:42:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Some of us use them all day long for work and mobile games.. I know this. I'm one of them. I've had mine going all day with about 3 hours of phone calls today, around 40 email responded to, maybe 30 games of clash royale, and about 30 minutes of pokemon go. Thanks to my questionable decision to use pokemon go, I got home with about 15% battery remaining tonight and stuck my phone on the charger for about 20 minutes while I ate dinner with my kids to bring me up to 35% and finished the rest of my day.
csonny2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:38:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh right, having to keep track of a small little adapter is way better than just plugging headphones straight into the phone.
Especially when the adapter is what you use to charge the phone because nobody would charge their phone and listen to music at the same time.
Cronock ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:47:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
keep track? like keeping track of the headphones? just dont take it off the headphones. I don't see the complication here. You can skip the adapter and just use the lighting headphones that come in the box.. Or use a pair of bluetooth headphones and quit worrying about wires at all! I bet 75% of the people complaining here don't even plug headphones into their device
vibrate ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:58:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A bit silly - the iPhone is comparable in price to any other premium handset. The MacBooks are the same - similarly specced Windows laptops cost the same.
IggyJR ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:31:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
MacBooks are the same
Sorry, you couldn't be more wrong.
vibrate ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:59:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, but damn near every other company in that price point has gone with a base storage of 32 gigs for a while. Apple had the balls to lower the other price points, but stick to 16 as the base.
vibrate ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:11:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Still, spec wise they are basically the same price as any other premium handset.
I work for a telecoms company in mobile app development btw - this is kind of my field.
So much misinformation spread by rabid Apple haters in this thread, it's painful. Some infant just told me to 'keep drinking the Kool-Aid'.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because consistently, year after year, I enjoy using them. I've been an Apple customer since 1985 and I've enjoyed every minute of it.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:26:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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Cronock ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:14:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"just as good" is subjective. And "costs half as much" doesn't mean much either when it doesn't do what I want it to do.
I have quite a wide range of skills in the IT field, so I touch just about everything there is on the market on a constant basis. I use probably 3 personal computers daily, one of which is a MacBook pro which is my real "personal" computer. I can't find a product in the windows-only world that will handle all of the aspects of my amateur photography better than what I find on the Mac platform. I've tried and it's just not there. Once you count the value of their Retina displays, it starts to really balance out, financially as well.
I don't want everyone to have a mac, most people don't need them. Most people use their computers for porn and facebook, then the occasional document, most wont ever open a real PC game.
You must not play any PC games then, my friend has a Mac fairly new to and it is hell playing anything on there. Not to mention a lot of games just flat out aren't compatible with them because Microsoft was so big in the PC game.
That's why you install Windows on a Boot Camp partition.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:28:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've never played many video games. And that was a big part of why they almost didn't make it. Apple clearly had the speed to play the games that were on the market but that wasn't their niche. Unlike a lot of PC (and now android?), I saw that there were different computers for different people. I never was going to touch a PC. It felt clunky and didn't work as elegantly as my Mac but I figured people had their reasons.
The derision on this thread from a lot of peopleโfor products that are, you know, really niceโreminds me of the way people feel about Obama and Hillary. Hate for hate's sake.
If you do not realize how stupid of a comparison that is I pity you. Especially since gaming is one of the main reasons many people buy labtops and computers.....
Cronock ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:33:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Labtop? Well, um. Ok.. I don't know how to break this to you. It's called a Laptop.
And no, most people don't buy them for games these days. PC gaming itself has been hurting pretty bad since the move to mobile games took hold for the general populace. PC industry as a whole is shrinking, and business PCs are a huge chunk of what's left out there. Everything else seems to be low end laptops. Maybe 1 out of every 40 PCs sold these days could be considered a gaming machine or even capable of running a current demanding game. So many of these only use the on-die video processor in the CPU and are horrible at anything demanding. But sure.. I don't know anything about this stuff.. it's only what I do for a living.
http://www.winbeta.org/news/pc-games-still-rule-consoles-mobile-2015-sales
"hurting pretty bad" yeah you are full of shit if you think a 32 billion dollar industry is hurting. Looks like they consistent beat out mobile games as well especially when you include free to play PC games like lol and World of Tanks. If this is what you do for a living perhaps you should be replaced lol
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:48:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe because we actually know how to use them and enjoy them instead of getting angry about the nonsense made up on the internet about Apple.
Can't use or enjoy apple products without audio jacks.
Cronock ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:04:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm good thing a stereo minijack and a pair of digital headphones come right in the box with all new models.
TeamJim ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:32:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To sell Bluetooth headphones and adapter dongles to use plug in headphones.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:27:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
$$$
They do their own thing, forcing customers to shell out more money for proprietary equipment hidden behind the guise of innovation.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:51:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
forcing
You know, you don't have to buy an iPhone....I am pretty sure that is what many will do, now that every pair of headphones they own doesn't connect without an adapter or while the phone is charging.
-$$$
xQx1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:13:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Every pair of graph ones I've owned since about 2012 has been Bluetooth. This is a non-issue for the average iPhone user.
So? The adapter doesn't let me plug in my headphones and charge at the same time. It's just another thing to carry and then lose or break, and pay $35 to replace. It's a decision that has nothing to do with quality of experience, and everything to do with an agenda and leverage. I get that, it's a business, and it's a power move. But I'm an experience designer and I think this is bs.
Cronock ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:37:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're attributing something to malice that is really a technical decision. The adapter is $10 on its own, and yes it does have something to do with the experience... maybe negatively affects YOUR experience.. or better yet your perceived future experience, since you have yet to experience the new phone at all. But you should be weighing the technical tradeoffs here. For that space they can add more modern features and more battery.
I'm not attributing malice, I'm acknowledging unfortunate side effects of their business plan.
Cronock ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:00:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Some people will always get left behind by progress. But the reaction to this is overblown and there are still plenty of older phones apple sells that still have audio jacks.
Cronock ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:13:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, that article was so full of accusatory language, I don't think you should be taking it seriously. It read to me like a fox news article talking about Obama's latest trip to the bathroom and how horrible it went.
I agree, they have lost sight of what saved their ass when Jobs returned, and have clearly been a bunch of rich dudes in a boardroom out of touch with actual life. The fact they called it courageous is borderline offensive.
Graize ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:44:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They want to see how far they can push Apple fans while still buying their products.
Probably further then Cosby pushed most women
to soon?
Spanky2k ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:44:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Meh, I used to think the same way until I got some Bluetooth headphones for exercising. It really is much, much better.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:47:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Like /u/IggyJR said. It's money. By moving to a new connector Apple can extend its Made For iPhone(MFi) program. Each product that has a lightning connector has to be part of this program, and it's not cheap. Rumor has it at around 10% of the point of sale cost. So if you buy a pair of headphones for 200 bucks, apple gets 20 buck out of it via this program.
Because it makes for an easy interface for 3rd party accessories that apple can't monetize.
pynzrz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:57:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because eventually headphones will all be wireless, just like all our mobile devices are wifi. Right now, it's inconvenient, but it has to happen some time.
Investors value short term profits over long term profits. I think that explains this situation.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The same reason there's no wireless charging
xQx1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because I can't charge a licensing fee when people connect via 3.5mm.
I really don't know what the fuss is about, in about 24 hours someone is going to release a charge in + 3.5mm audio out adapter cable, and you'll have full functionality right back.
The Lightning connector is proprietary to Apple, a 3.5 Jack is not. That means accessory manufacturers like people who make plug-in headphones--but also Square card readers and wired speakers--could manufacture their products without licensing anything from Apple. Just... add a 3.5 plug and its Apple-compatible!
That's no longer the case, in the post-iPhone 7 world. Those manufacturers will have to pay Apple money before they even get a product out of R&D.
Dominwin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:58:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They control the market on those headphones. Money.
I was almost OK with it until I read about the Bluetooth alternative they will be using, you wont even be able to use cheap disposable Bluetooth as an alternative. I really hope this is the first nail in iPhones coffin, what a money grabbing "fuck you" to the userbase
Lots of people complained when Apple dropped the floppy too, somebody always has to be the first. I have slowly migrated to having all Bluetooth for audio (soundbar, portable speaker, headphones, and car audio) over the past three years, I think the writing has been on the wall for a long time. Watch Samsung follow this path within the next year.
I'd expect all Macs to drop the jack soon too. Eventually everything will either be wireless or run through a single high speed port (prosumer feature) that can be connected to a hub or dock.
Apple don't do what the customers want, they do what they think the customers may want in the future coupled with what increases the reliance on their ecosystem. No Apple decision has been bad for their bottom line, but a lot of decisions haven't been great for the users. They're good at convincing the masses their ideas are for our greater good but they may have missed a trick here.
Had they said: "here's an adaptor in the box that lets you charge and listen to your headphones at the same time", then they'd get a much better reception. Instead, they'll charge $30 for it (if it's possible), further alienating people. My guess is that the growth of iPhone will be slowing down soon. Too much ego with Apple of late.
The iPhone apparently comes with the adapter. But yeah, it's more of a hassle to have more moving parts. Worst situation is if you want to charge your phone and at the same time watch videos or something with headphones.
Which is absurd because it is getting to the point where they are charging more for providing less than the competitors are offering for a cheaper price. Brand Loyalty is nice and all but sometimes you have to cut ties.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:05:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Brand loyalty isn't that much of a thing outside the USA. Many people somehow still consider Apple an American company, despite all its production happening overseas. So there's the "buy American" mindset at play too. Most people buy Apple because of fashion and the work of influencers. Most couldn't tell you WHY Apple is technically better, and even fewer will know that it technically isnt anyway.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:37:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
basically when they removed the headphone jack they found they could move the driver ledge from the top of the screen to the bottom, which created more space for the camera system up top, and made it easier to install the haptic engine at the bottom of the phone. Additionally it made room for a bigger battery and removed a major hole for water to enter the phone from.
Apple also felt that wireless EarPods are the future anyway, so they may as well transition now.
TL;DR the audio jack was taking up too much real estate in the internals of the iPhone and apple didn't see a future that included using an analog audio jack.
I'm guessing it made it easier for them to make the phone water resistant. One less hole to worry about and more room for the taptic engine to make the home button water proof.
Also they are greedy, and know they can remove it because people will still buy their phones. Cook stated in the keynote that Apple doing this will cause headphone manufacturers to start producing all sorts of amazing headphones compatible with lightning. But in reality that's always been an option, lightning has been around for a while. I expect they will release the same products they already have with a different cable, maybe some noise canceling headphones that won't need batteries.
This is going to get downvoted to hell, because people seem angry that their God-given right to have a headphone jack on a phone they purchase from a private company is being taken away.
Apple sees itself as the trendsetter. Apple tells the customer what the customer wants, not the other way around. This is their entire philosophy. They don't give a shit about what the customer wants, because frankly, they don't care. They see it as a stylistic/functional improvement, so they did it.
Does anyone seriously think phones will have headphone jacks in 10 years? Everything is inevitably moving towards wireless. They are selling you the phone of the future in their eyes.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:51:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
No kidding. They're an almost perfect technology that doesn't really need replacing. I sometimes listen to music on my smartphone with the very same headphones I used with my Walkman when I was 15 (I'm 48 now) They not only sound great, but they're also much more comfortable than goddamn earbuds, which I think must have been designed by a committee of bitter deaf engineers.
vibrate ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:59:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Headphone jacks are flawed. How many devices have you had where the sound only comes from one headphone, where you have to wiggle the headphone jack to get stereo?
On the other hand, the reason that audio equipment has had these jacks for the last 40 years is that they're extremely efficient and incredibly useful. In other words, this move seems unlikely to produce the market advantages Apple thinks it will. At the very best, it will be tolerated even though it makes the user experience more tedious, but it won't win them any new fans.
Seriously, this is like Levi's removing zippers from their pants and replacing them with proprietary Crotch-Sealโข technology that requires you to do a special dance every time you want to take a piss.
They don't think it would produce market advantages, and I never said they did. It's about pushing the boundaries of the user experience. Wires are becoming obselete, and Apple wants to be on the forefront.
And to be honest, I understand fidelity is an extremely important factor in audio equipment. However, as the capability to transfer data over bluetooth continues to improve, eventually cables won't be needed (assuming audio quality isn't also increasing at a similar rate).
Also, your analogy is terrible and has no relevance. Unless in 15 years everyone will also have this Crotch-Seal technology, and Apple is the first to adopt.
The first one yes. What happens when the sheath starts to come off. (and that goes for all cables I've had the sheath come loose on my Samsung charger, on headphones, the old iPod chargers. Nothing is immune to it lol)
LanZx ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 00:27:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
The Sony Xperia* series is waterproof and has headphone jacks for years now.
Also the Samsung S series have headphone jacks while being waterproof
KzBoy ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:05:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Waterproofing isn't a hard problem. Use stainless contacts and a rubber housing. There are 1000's of devices with waterproof 1/8" jacks. A competitors phone being one such device....
HawkinsT ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:39:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Stainless steel has a low conductivity. If you want a non-corrosive conductive metal, gold plating would be your best bet.
KzBoy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:28:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Good point, even better!
teh_duke ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:56:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know, but Sonys have a headphone jack and had waterproof designs for 4 years.
There's actually tests shown that the samsungs s7 (other samsung devices are not waterproof) are indeed waterproof (up to a certain depth; I think it was 10m). And there are countless reports of people killing their phones when they had it in a ziploc and thought it was waterproof.
akiva23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Those tests are done in standing water and there is no way to make almost impossible to make a device completely seamless. The best they can do is gaskets seal seam and coat the board in something which is pretty much just another ziploc bag on the inside of your phone. the ziploc should be able to handle 10m as long as you're not doing anything that could puncture or tear the bag or open the seal but i guess testing needs to be done to find out the bags true potential. Also its user replacable unlike a coating.
That problem has already been fixed with Bluetooth 4.0 and aptx audio. Only really old BT equipment has severe latency.
amolin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:55:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
On my Mac it automatically delays the video during playback, so it syncs with the bluetooth delay. Alternatively, if you use VLC you can manually adjust the video / audio sync in 25ms increments.
I'm so confused. I've been using multiple generations of LG Tone Bluetooth headphones for years. Lag isn't a common occurrence for me.
Nuro92 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:33:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same here, ironically the only device I've had issues with was the Fire TV, they sorta fixed it eventually though.
amolin ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 04:45:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
While I do exclusively use a bluetooth headset for my iPhone as well (a pair of Sony SBH70, quite nice, not that loud though), there is admittedly a bit of lag on YouTube videos. It's most noticeable when you see someone talk of course. I haven't tried Netflix on it, and we don't have Hulu where I'm from - but I'm sure they suffer from the same problem.
With that said, it'll be a temporary problem. There's no reason why the app developers can't make the same "hack" in their apps, when a user uses Bluetooth headphones.
We're in the infancy of many new technologies, and there will, of course, be teething problems that will look ridiculous in one, five or ten years. The problems will be solved, and then we'll find some new first world problems to complain about as the cycle continues :)
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:07:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So the problem exists today but we should ignore it because it'll likely be fixed in the future?
That's a terrible stance. If it's affecting customers today then they have every right to complain.
amolin ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 07:15:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Unless you work for YouTube, Hulu or another relevant app-developer - what else did you have in mind? It's arrogant to think that they're not aware of a major and common problem, and working to fix it. Unless you're part of the solution, what gains do you expect to achieve by waving your arms on Reddit? You're even wasting my time right now. Stop that, and go hug a puppy or bake a loaf of bread instead :)
Basically he's saying no one wants to spend money on a project that doesn't work the way the user expects it to. Companies shouldn't be releasing products without testing, and if testing raises a problem, that should be managed before launch.
Products that come with problems look like a work in progress, and companies shouldn't expect customers to pay full price for these things.
That's what people are complaining about.
amolin ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:36:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I understand his position (and upvoted him, unlike you other degenerates that don't know the reddiquette) - I just think that it's pointless to get in a huff about a complex technical issue that you have no bearing about. For instance, where would you put the blame?
Sony, who makes the bluetooth headset that lags when I watch videos?
The organization behind the Bluetooth Core Specification, who hasn't accounted for this particular problem when they created the standard?
The specific app developers, who haven't made their app so the problem doesn't appear?
Apple for creating a platform that runs all of these technologies?
Who exactly should give you a discount? And this is just a simple take at the problem. You cannot assign blame based on your emotions or gut feelings.
There are of course millions of Redditors, including some very intelligent and wise people. Most of the people here, are not, and their opinions are irrelevant to the technical issue at hand. They can complain, picket, yell or hug a puppy - the problem is going to be fixed at the same speed.
I don't think they should be offering discounts. I think as a fast moving technological industry, these companies and organisations should be working together to resolve an issue before releasing a product that they're calling done.
I also didn't expect my comment to solve all these problems, I was just outlining what people are pissed off about, and it's okay to complain about things not being up to grade when we spend money on them.
amolin ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:50:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Since I just love the downvotes, I'll counter your opinion again :)
You, as a customer, do not get to define when a product is done or what features it has. There are truth in advertising laws that protect consumers from fraudulent claims, but no-one claims that video playback on bluetooth enabled devices have zero-latency audio.
No developer likes to deliver a less than perfect product. You can bet your ass that they dislike this a lot more than you do, which is why they're trying to make better products all the time. But if we stop all innovation until we reach perfection, nothing will get done.
You can try products in stores, you can return products bought online, and you can buy from any combination of competing companies as you like - but that's it. Take it or leave it.
And they don't come with the phone, have to drop an extra $160 for that wimpy 5 hours. sigh.
It would be better if the phone included a splitter adapter with a 3.5 and lightning. That way only need the one cord, and could charge and listen at the same time.
How often do you listen to music 5 hours straight? The carrying case wirelessly charges it for a total of 24 hours, and when charging the case (with or without the AirPods inside), they get 3hr in 15min, which is really good. One tiny detail I like is that it automatically gets paired with all your iCloud devices during the initial pairing, which is simply opening the case near the device.
"How often do you listen to music 5 hours straight?"
Well I don't think anyone does, but in a span of 3 or 4 days I do. My current wireless headphones that cost me a fraction of the price of the airpods gives me 13 hours.
Which is why the wireless charging case is a thing, giving you 24 hours.
Part of the reason they are expensive is because of the new codec it is using, which allows for better audio quality and the iCloud syncing via opening the case for the first time near the phone and having it paired to all your devices.
Another feature is that they have an IR sensor in each side. Meaning they will start playing when you put them on and stop playing when you take them off (this also works individually as well).
So, they probably have the audio quality of a $80 pair, but add in the new codec/pairing, wireless charging for 24 hours, double tap for Siri, and the IR sensors, and I would say $120 would have been a much sweeter pricepoint. However, since I don't see a ton of people buying this, they had to up the price.
Got this great set of headphones. NEVER need to charge them. It's amazing! I can listen to infinite hours of music, limited only by the battery life of the device I'm using! (Which gets at least 8-10 hours of life, at which point I can charge overnight. Alternatively, I'm using my laptop, which is plugged in all day.)
Nope never said that, just stating that some people do listen to audio more than 5 hours a day buddy. But personally I'd rather just stick to my normal wired headphones. Never been a fan of Bluetooth headphones in the first place.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 07:07:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Way to make light of crippled people's condition. Go walk through a paraplegic ward and tell everyone what a charmed life they live, asshole.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:35:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
24 hours here. I am a musician.
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That being said, I'm an acoustic musician so I don't need Apple products and actually oppose iTunes.
Ararat00 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:14:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Out of curiosity, why do you oppose iTunes?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:32:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because it has so thoroughly turned music into a commodity. Because it has enabled and promoted the picking and choosing of singles and destroyed the concept of the album. There are many reasons and it isn't just iTunes I'm against.
Nuro92 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:34:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Curious too... Maybe because of the pay structure?
Not regularly. When I do, I usually watch an in-flight movie instead of my own content, so I have to use wired anyway, I also try to get a quick nap in. LAX to JKF / JFK to Heathrow is like 6hr airtime, so using AirPods mean 1hr without content, which is good time for a nap.
If you fly LAX to Heathrow you are crazy if you think you'll have enough time to fully recharge those headphones at jfk. Clearly you think you are right and nothing will persuade you when you make an argument like that streaming turd. So yes, you are right. No one uses headphone for more than 5 hours at a time.
What I'm saying is you can take a 15min total break in those 5hr (bathroom break(s) and such) to get an extra 3hr by putting them in their case. Again, you don't have to buy these, you can buy cheaper Bluetooth headsets with longer battery in the headphone itself (8hr-13hr is a normal battery life).
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:05:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So in your commute and lunch? That's not 5hr straight, the AirPods/case get 3hr in a 15min charge. I personally plug into my car's stereo when driving, it has USB charge+audio and it was a $150 aftermarket headunit for my '01 Mitsubishi Spyder GT. Most vehicles ~2009-current have USB charging, where many have USB audio.
Flying I understand, though I usually take at least a 1hr nap on 6+ hours trips (LAX to JFK & JFK to LHR are about 6hr in airtime).
Also while I'm working, which I do for seven and a half hours a day, plus lunch, when I also listen to music. Now, the device I use changes, but the headphones do not.
You still get 40hr of audio via Lightning, you don't need wireless, only if you want to charge simultaneously.
For a business day on mostly continual listening using the AirPods, you put them in their case when going bathroom or when walking in-between work and lunch, and that gives you 3hr (so now 8hr) if you charge them for 15min.
I can see that you're outlining solutions to this problem which is great, but the fact is, the option for straight forward headphones that we don't have to worry about is being taken away from us. Even with the wired headphones, there's problems. I have four apple devices. Four. Three of which are not likely to be updated any time soon. I'd like to have headphones that are interchangeable.
You still have the 3.5mm EarPods that come with the older phones and now the Lightning EarPods. If you want a 3rd party 3.5mm headphones, you use the included adaptor, which you likely will keep attached to the headphone so you never misplace it.
Like your flaccid headphone cable. It's actually likely reduce the chance of the headphone cable coming apart near the jack, since the stress on the cable when bent is severely diminished.
Oh, yeah one of my friends told me about that, but the context was an argument and the one who makes a comparison to Hitler loses the argument.
Also I believe there was one "o," not two. Could be wrong though.
I never said they were... But people don't praise Trump either. Because he's an ass. Just because someone is a successful and innovative businessman doesn't make them worthy of praise if they're otherwise a complete piece of shit.
By "praise" I was referring to the people who treat him like a God simply for being the owner of Apple which provides the public with things like iPods, iPhones and Macbooks. Those people aren't praising him for being a successful businessman. They're praising him for being Steve Jobs, owner of Apple.
xcerj61 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:24:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Plenty of people do, all the time. And his biggest competitor is a much better person than he was. Bill Gates donates millions of dollars to vaccination and medical research yearly, when Jobs reacquired Apple he stopped all humanitarian expenses for the rest of his life.
until the point where they have to make some new lens technology or something.
Or, ya know, make the body of the phone 1mm thicker to make the phone flush. Which I guess speaks to the often absurd thinking behind some Apple (and industry-wide) design and the chase for "thinnest, fastest, awesomest" titles. It reminds me of the whole "Russian pencil vs. space pen" anecdote.
That's what I mean though. NASA didn't need to spend money on R&D - they already had a budget for it, so they let a private company take the risk (and monetary reward) in developing it. NASA created the incentive for its creation by their demand for it.
I didn't know that! Thank you for that interesting factoid fact/factlet. I really appreciate you as a person and a redditor. I hope your evening is amazing.
Edit: Factoid was not the correct word choice! Thank you all for the new knowledge! However, some sources on the internet say in the United States (my country) that a factoid can be a short fact.
Pencil "lead" is actually Graphite, as I'm sure you're aware, and it creates dust as you write. Graphite also conducts electricity fairly well. In micro gravity, dust doesn't just fall to the ground, it remains somewhat suspended in the air until it is filtered out. There are a lot of sensitive electronics on board any given spacecraft, and their circuitry tends to operate better when there's not a layer of conductive dust covering it.
Now, could you make enough dust to actually cause a legitimate problem during the course of a short mission? Maybe, maybe not. The point is, it's possible, and NASA engineers don't like possible problems.
I don't think Graphite itself is flammable, but things in powdered form often become flammable when suspended in air, even if their solid counterparts are not( see Mythbusters coffee creamer explosion), so I'm not sure. The problem I'm sure about lies with the conductivity. Ever looked at a circuit board or a computer motherboard? All of the circuits are just printed on the board, and some components, like resistors or capacitors, are soldered on to the board. These solder points are pretty close together, and if they were to touch, the current flow would bypass the component and create problems. If enough conductive dust gets on them, it can start to make connections that are supposed to exist.
Cosmic2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:23:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
MrDLTE3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:51:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What if they used crayons?
JJagaimo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:59:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Its made of wax, so no electrical hazard, but it's difficult to write with and looks like crap for printing, plus it can chip and small particles can still become an issue, similar to graphite (also a health hazard if breathed in)
Aside from the obvious issues, he was actually one of the best mayor's TO has had in a very long time.
debspeak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:56:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The obvious issues, made him a liability. Political power requires a perfection of lifestyle that most of us can't keep up with. He was a good ole boy, but not the one meant to run the show.
They make them thinner to save on material costs. Same reason soda cans and plastic bottles have been getting thinner. They just try marketing it like it's a selling point after the fact.
Chibios ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:37:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's an engineering decision as the flash and lens are too close and will cause artifacts and haze. With the flash and lens not on the same plane, this would be less of an issue.
lkodl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:28:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
just roughly thinking about stuff... apparently apple sold 74.5 million iphones in Q1 of 2015. they make more phones than they sold, so let's say they made 300 million iphones for the year. an additional 1mm of aluminum adds up at the volume. the thinnest phone isn't just a sales pitch, it's also a cost saving measure at that point.
Seriously. I don't want a thin phone. I want a phone that will last a few years without breaking. Eugh. Fucking phones. What do I know, though, I have a blackberry because it's the last dinosaur on the market that still has a freaking keyboard.
Dandydumb ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 01:33:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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joh2141 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:00:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One thing I'll mention to this is that while small phone was preferred by Jobs for trend purposes, the entire industry market was looking to bigger screens and phones for two reasons. To make use of 4G data via video and make money was one. Second reason was to literally have a device as strong and capable as some computers out there. The entire industry always pushed for bigger screens to better market video apps and data usage thus turning more profits for them. Even if Jobs was alive today and still CEO apple would inevitably released multiple versions and bigger models.
Saying we should have stayed with smaller phones is like saying let's refuse the next trend because they want to give Jobs a bj. TBH big phones are not going out of style until hologram style Minority Report phone comes out or we finalize those digital lenses and perfect it's design. I can't figure out how we will advance them to have and use a lot of power without heating up and harming your eyes though.
cubine ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:24:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Man, I think the size of the 6S is the biggest phone I'd ever want. I just don't like having a phone that I feel like could easily break in my pocket.
joh2141 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:43:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't disagree with you there; I just stating the current market's goal with smartphones. I worked at Verizon few years back when 4G first came. While prior to 4G we still had bigger phones, most phones were still relatively small sized. When 4G kicked in, more and more people started watching videos and playing games that require you to stay connected online. Having smaller screens would simply restrict the potential smart phones have. Now, people can watch movies and shows and live games on their phones wherever they are. Having smaller devices at this point would be a hindrance to one of the bigger and more desirable features of smart phones.
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joh2141 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:14:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I understand what you are saying but here's the thing. People are starting to break from that spell of "Oh it's an iPhone" and starting to prefer features provided rather than it just being the stigma of being an Apple product. I'm not arguing what you were saying. What I mean is that Steve Jobs can't stop what everyone wants. If 99% of the world wants bigger iPhones.
The industry was set in getting bigger phones to make use of its internet and video rendering capabilities. Without it, there was no money to be had. iPhone and Apple is still way too small scale in the grand scheme of things. This entire industry is huge and the players in it are way bigger than simple consumer electronic companies. Should Jobs be alive today and be adamant in keeping small phone sizes, iPhones would have lost sales. I mean look at how people treat the Apple vs Samsung phones today. The Samsung 7 Edge came out; the phone I got. I didn't get it because it had more features than iPhones but so many people I know switched to Samsung because it was better. When a new iphone that is better comes out, they'll buy it regardless of company. They just buy what is better. More and more people are like this. As I mentioned before, people are breaking away from the thrill of simply owning an Apple product.
The primary interest of iPhones were how simple it is and how "For-dummy" like it was for smartphones. I mean just 5 years ago we had majority of grown adults saying smart phones are dumb gimmicks for kids and now more than half the adults and seniors I know all have iPhones or used iPhones to "get started" in the smart phone world. This is a fast evolving industry where if you're simply trying to set a trend, you aren't going to succeed. That's why iPhone changed their motto to innovation and being all artistic. iphone loyal fans need continuous release of innovative features to convince themselves that the product they own is a premium.
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joh2141 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:30:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bigger phones isn't a market trend though. It directly improves prime features that is now in daily use of smart phones. That's what I'm talking about. No one cares about trends or Jobs being a cult figure is what I mean. Even him being such a huge trend setter wouldn't have stopped the big screen phone era that is today because it was already in the works and planned. And what I mean is Steve Jobs and Apple is too small to even consider being able to directly force the industry to stop that big screen era movement. Sooner or later the people that praised Jobs for fighting against market trends and setting his own trend would abandon iPhones for others. It's not fun being "trendy" when you got small ass phones and all your friends are watching HD Game of Thrones on their phone or live super bowl during work when you got your small phone. Only a small percentage of people actually liked the small iPhone thing first of all. No one picked iPhones because it was so small. At least not the few years I worked at Verizon.
Oggel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:01:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I really don't like apple or Steve Jobs, but you can't deny that the man was an innovator.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:03:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The iPhone 6 SE is the newest available iPhone and it's pretty much the smallest smartphone available. I think Steve Jobs would HATE the camera sticking out like it does though. IMO this is still worse than taking out the 3.5 jack
Yeah, I remember a pretty early galaxy being fairly large (by standards back then) and people complaining about it. Have small hands? Don't buy it. I have big hands, I could've used that galaxy one handed just fine. Now we all have huge phones that we can't use with one hand anyways and we like them. Also, some phones have more pixels than most huge flatscreen TVs because that makes sense? 1080p (battery) master race!
Steve Jobs Turned Out To Be Completely Wrong About The Key Reason People Like The iPhone
He wasn't wrong, people are getting tired of HUGE phones already, and Apple is out of ideas, as we see with their revolutionary non-headphone jack update.
Moal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I actually agree with him on that. I refused to upgrade to an iPhone 6 because I hate giant clunky phones.
Ya know, wumbo. I wumbo. You wumbo. He, she, we wumbo. Wumbo; Wumboing; We'll have thee wumbo; Wumborama; Wumbology; the study of Wumbo. It's first grade, Spongebob!
NemWan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:56:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also the Power Mac G4 Cube/Mac mini, which increased Mac desktop form factors from two to three.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:07:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Steve Jobs would have absolutely purged the Apple Watch back to R&D.
He'd also have thrown out the idea of using USB-C and Lightning as the ONLY port. I mean replacing the Display Port made sense, because there are 3 existing standards - VGA, DVI & HDMI - but it makes absolutely no sense to remove the most popular ports of every device. USB and Audio Out.
He may have hated the physical design (aesthetics) but he would love the theory. Don't forget that Jobs pioneered Apple's market strategy of making everything as proprietary as possible in order to nickel and dime customers on peripherals
The camera not being flush is very annoying. When I got the 6 I thought it was maybe some kind of cap to protect the lens during shipping or in packaging or something, because it just seems so shitty to have this little thing sticking out, just begging to get smacked on something. I'm sure Jobs would have told them to find a way to fit it flush with the casing.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:18:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Personally, it doesn't bother me because my phone is always in a rubberized casing. If it wasn't, well... I'm certain I wouldn't have had this phone for long, thanks to uncoordinated meat-fists.
I envy those people that feel safe carrying around their expensive pocket computers without any sort of protector (and also kinda think they're crazy).
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:50:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sometimes I feel kind of crazy for not using a case, but my last phone I had for 4 years and dropped once while flipping it around in my hands like an idiot. I'm considering getting one, just because the iPhone 6 feels much less durable than the 4, and I wouldn't be surprised if it broke apart if I dropped it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:35:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The iPhone 6 is pretty durable, I've dropped mines about 15x and only got some scuff marks on the corners and scratches on the back.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:47:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely hated. I wish he was still around, can't imagine how much better the iPhone 6 and 7 would have been with him in charge
It's really a different marketplace since he passed. He may have come around to offering the cheaper versions once they became fully saturated.
nathris ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:13:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He'd be too upset they've given up trying to sue Android into oblivion.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:37:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He would've been in favor of Apple sticking up to the FBI.
As for Apple's current products, however...
imGnarly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:43:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't get the hate for the digital statement, I get a lot of the shit you guys give apple, but that I don't. Yeah, I get it, all of my one pair of headphones is analog and will be useless, so what, I'll buy some others. I got a bajillion cds and dvds just lying there because technology moved forward. I know lightning is exclusive to apple, but wireless headphones aren't. We don't have to buy their ridiculously expensive airpods, but there are hundreds of other options.
FGHIK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:12:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
CDs and DVDs are out because plainly superior options became available. Wireless headphones, however, are NOT a plain superior option. They have the advantage of not needing a cord, at the cost of needing to be charged and being easier to lose. Cutting off a completely serviceable option that people might prefer is stupid.
imGnarly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:34:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, wireless are not, but digital is definitely superior to analog for sound quality. People prefer it because they already have a pair of headphones, why would you prefer analog over digital? You remind me of my dad in early 2000's complaining on his new car not having a cassette player, only to never mention that again the next year.
Steve Jobs was the one who pioneered the pro vs consumer lineup and simplified the absolute mess of a product line that Gil Amelio created.
Jobs simplified the Apple desktop from the myriad of esoteric model numbers (7500, 7600, 8500, 8600, 9500, 9600, 9650, 9650N, etc) into the iMac and Mac Pro. He also simplified the laptop lineup into the MacBook and the MacBook Pro.
Jobs was very much a fan of splitting things along a very defined line of consumer vs professional, even if that line was forced in a lot of regards.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:03:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know he would've hated it. He wouldn't have even approved iOS 7. It's ugly. Not his style.
...And now we have the iPad pro and its pencil thing.
We also have his opinion that 3.5 inches is the perfect size for a phone screen and "nobody's going to buy [big phones]", now apple doesn't even make a phone that size anymore.
then we have โThere are clear limits of how close you can physically place elements on a touch screen before users cannot reliably tap, flick or pinch them. This is one of the key reasons we think the 10-inch screen size is the minimum size required to create great tablet apps.โ now we have an ipad mini.
there are probably others, these are the ones I could think of at the moment.
ghjm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:28:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
...wumbo?
acwilan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:37:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The things that came after he left weren't his. Leaving the skeuomorphic design in iOS 8, iPad mini, bigger iPhones, an iPad with a stylus.
But apple always acts like "you can't ask, so you have to afford it."
Popetown ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:43:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Haha, either you are a clever bastard that isn't receiving the credit you deserve for the slyness of that comment or I'm reading into it. But I'm just thinking about people wondering if they can afford to be dominated anally and I'm finding it hilarious.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:04:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Ma'am how much is this sweatshirt? The price tags been ripped off. "
"Did you just ask me how much a sweatshirt costs?! You clearly can't afford it. The thrift shop is on the other side of the street."
I now have a theory that this is all an elaborate necromancy attempt.
Porrick ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:35:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This sort of shit would be completely in-character for him though. Nothing he liked more than arbitrarily disabling stuff because it wasn't how he wanted people to use his machines.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:43:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Frankly, Steve Jobs was responsible for a number of questionable style decisions - like his obsession with skeumorphic design and minimalism, even at the expense of function. It's all been 'buffed out' at this point, but the mac line and software when OS X was first released wasn't nearly as solid.
quirk223 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:15:01 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Please! Seriously, I have not bought an Apple product since he passed. This company needs to make a new product...no more redesigning the past.
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[deleted] ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 01:30:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone remember the 1st gen iphone & how it was unable to copy & paste text, send mms or record video unless the phone was jailbroken? It was then possible with the 2nd generation without jailbreaking and everyone thought it was revolutionary...what a joke.
everdred ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:05:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also, no native third-party applications. "Want to develop for iPhone? Write a web app for Safari."
Fanboys actually defended this. In two-thousand-freaking-seven.
ka-splam ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 05:31:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And now look. Apple's "joke" has killed Palm, Nokia, Blackberry and WindowsPhone. Drop back to 2001 and tell yourself that a "phone has no copy and paste" and see the confused look on your face because you don't care. Then tell yourself that Nokia and Blackberry are going down and see how much you don't believe it.
Other phone users have been writing a bullet point list of a longer spec sheet for 9 years while Apple has grown to dominate the market. It doesn't actually seem to matter at all, does it?
Apple never claims to do things first. They just claim to be the first to do it right... most companies are always looking for gimmicky technology to introduce into their gear without knowing how to properly utilize it.
That said... Apple has certainly been a shit-show for the past 3-5 years. I miss Steve.
Just because they don't outright say that specifically, doesn't change the fact that it's how they market it, they tout it as this amazing new things that people haven't seen until now, they constantly use the word "innovative", yet that's not innovation when you didn't invent it nor were the first to implement it.
Finding a way to utilize technology in a way that is actually useful and relevant to people's lives is absolutely, 100%, what innovation is.
Using technology because you have access to it without considering how people are going to use it (half the features on Windows) is simply experimentation... and can even be detrimental to the overall product.
I'm a UX designer and have debated this pretty much on a daily basis for the past 6 years of my life lol
Edit: I also want it to be clear that I mostly agree with you lol. The way they talked about removing the headphone jack, using words like "bold" and "courageous".... you'd think they were talking about curing cancer hahaha
He was pretty against the iPad being a larger size and I highly doubt he was involved with the watch. At the very least, iPad Pro was the true Steve jobs non influenced product.
He had a roadmap for the future of Apple, yes. However, we all know the company has strayed from his vision (I'm looking at you Apple Pencil).
Sawses ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:44:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, he was really, really good at marketing. They produced a quality, reliable product that was easy to use, even if it didn't have new shit. Now, they're unreliable and of questionable quality...but still easy to use. So now I'm an android user.
Not this crap again. Less features blah blah. It implemented its minimal set of features very well. That was what people liked even if it had far few features. No one cares if you have a browser on your phone if the page it loads looks like shit.
everdred ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:15:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not this crap again. Less features blah blah.
You realize that the company that went on to "invent" mobile apps (in the minds of the general population) spent the first year of the product insisting that nobody should want native third-party apps on their phone?
No, touchscreens, as well as multi-point touch, was developed by IBM.
vibrate ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 02:27:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was implemented in mobile devices by Apple.
munche ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:38:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As someone who really doesn't care for Apple, in the Jobs era I would be excited to watch their announcements because they used to actually innovate. There would be some cool feature that I wish my phone had (and probably soon would)
Now Apple press conferences are incremental updates and the major news is what feature they removed.
That's not all he did. I'm no Apple fanboy but hearing that all he did was steal is an inane statement. And even then, if you truly believe that, he at least got a lot of stuff out in the mainstream. Pushing ideas and tech to the masses and in turn making other people try to keep up or top them. Competition is good for any market and I guarantee half the features in any other brand wouldn't exist without it.
People act like he was lucky or just stole. But come on, don't let your hate for Apple blind you into making stupid statements. Not to mention the same could be said for any other ''visionary'. Gates stole just as much, if not more. Used a ton of shady business moves to crush smaller companies, etc etc. He just gets commended more because of what he has done with his money post three comma club. But how he got there wasn't exactly pretty.
When steve was around, yes, the iPhone was always behind in features, but it worked. it worked a HELL of a lot better then android did. lasted longer, had had exponentially worse specs, yet it was able to run smoother and was a better experience. -android fan boy who wishes apple would be revolutionary again
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:50:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hate to disagree, but the original iPhone did revolutionize the smart phone industry. Before that, every smart phone had a miserable ui and needed a stylus to work. The launch was such a risk, that no one was willing to market it. Only after it debuted did ATT realize they have a cash cow.
I quite enjoy mine. It doesn't really replace a computer or anything like the other tablets out there, and definitely isn't comparable to anything like the Cintiq Companion for making art, but for a $350 device I've used it pretty much every day for the last 2.5 years. It's a bit more portable than my laptop, so I can just slip it into my bag and take it to work or studio and it covers most of my needs and has a big enough screen that I can use it to pull up reference material for whatever I'm working on.
Panaka ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 00:47:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jobs despised buttons. It was rumored that he had thought of switching the physical button on the iPhone to a capacitive one until Android came out and used the idea first. If anything he'd be on board with this design over recent iterations.
enleeten ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:31:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, originally the iPhone didn't have a capacitive screen like you see today. It just had a single, giant resistive button that would deduct money from your bank account when pressed.
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:32:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't know what it meant.
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:55:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Search engine?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:45:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Sawses ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:43:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep! I bought two phones after his death. The quality kept decreasing. When their smallest new phone was too big for me, I just moved to an Android. Now I don't think I'd ever go back.
Considering Steve Jobs made apple move away from ps2 to USB, made Bluetooth standard before anyone else and continuously pushed standards forward he's probably actually pretty happy with this. He was the guy who said that a 31 pin connector was an okay thing.
I don't know, I remember hearing all of the same things back then too. Except instead of "I wish Steve were still here!" it was "Steve needs to step down and let someone else run the company."
Remember, he was the one that was obsessed with removing buttons, ports and features in the name of aesthetic simplicity. He was the one originally obsessed with making everything thinner.
I feel like everyone here has a serious case of amnesia. Does no one remember how big of a joke the original iPhone was because it had no buttons? For years all you heard were people bitching about how stupid it was to remove the physical keyboard from a smartphone.
Removing a port prematurely in the name of aesthetics is EXACTLY what Steve Jobs would have done.
Are you kidding me. This is exactly the kind of thing he would do. The first Mac was completely closed. He got rid of the floppy drive, created the 30-pin cable, probably greenlit the lightning cable, made a phone wth one button, etc
Steve Jobs, who had to have his arm twisted to put volume buttons on the 1st gen iPhone? (The 1st gen iPod Touch didn't have volume buttons.) I think this decision is right in line with his minimalism.
Right, because Steve Jobs's vision isn't what paved the way for decisions like these. Apple was built on hustling. As much as I hate to say it, it's similar to Nintendo's business strategy. Be so far removed from everything else on the market that people are forced to buy your products solely for exclusive quality content. Only difference is that for all of Nintendo's tricky marketing, their prices are always crazy reasonable. Unless you're a collector, in which case, you know what you're getting into.
Meanwhile, Apple offers nothing more than high-quality options that no one actually needs, but wants in order to look cool. And on that principle alone, they can justify selling devices 4ร the price of other high-end, perfectly functional options. They're just putting the squeeze on the competition. That was Steve Jobs's goal. Early iPods were very finicky about non-Apple headphones. I know because I have always had issues with my iPod classic randomly cutting off, not when the headphones were unplugged (it actually continues playing if they are), but when the jack is moved in certain ways. This feature can't be disabled or worked around and apparently only functions properly with headphones made by Apple. The only reason I still use the classic is because it's the only player that actually holds 80 gigs of music without the need for external storage. When it dies, I'm through with Apple.
The same Steve Jobs that oversaw the removal of the optical drive and the ethernet port pretty much simultaneously across their entire range of laptops? I'm sure Steve wouldn't have been afraid of taking away another piece of old technology from the plebs for the sake of progress.
I see Apple's Beats division courageously releasing Beats by Apple, Lightning edition. Because courage.
sdguero ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:59:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All the courage in the world ain't gonna fix bluetooth.
NEDM64 ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 03:08:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
that's because you have a crappy android phone, not because of bluetooth.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:39:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The courage line just sounded so strange to me, it almost sounds like a negative point, as if Tim is saying they had the balls to go backwards in phone design.
I don't think anyone booed while he was on the subject. But it seemed that he spent a lot of time trying to justify it. If I recall correctly they said they would include a lightning to audio jack converter cable. The whole segment was just awkward.
Fnhatic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:23:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is he looking for the second AirPod, because within ten minutes of taking them out, his cat threw one under the couch?
Or is he looking for his lawyer for the massive settlement he's going to get because his kid just choked on one?
AfroClam ยท 247 points ยท Posted at 01:28:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don worry. After Apples tells all the people who complain that they are listening to their music wrong, they will come out with the iPhone 8 and it's ($99 extra) feature....the iHole
iHole because regular audio jacks don't met our standards, exclusively by iPhone because no one else has the market share to create audio devices exclusive to their product.
Our sub-par audio equipment only works with Ihole, next year you'll get the choice of color you want. Customization of color will reach you in your life time!!! not too soon of course...
Don't be outrageous. It'll be square, but only works if you insert it the correct way, so that way you'll inevitably have to try and plug it in nine times before it'll go in properly.
This comment just made me realize the only possible bright side of this decision: Manufacturers might actually start making microphones and controls to Android standards instead of the proprietary Apple standard.
You got to be careful Morty, If that guy catches you with a box of his iHole, he come bursting in through a window and just starts kicking the shit out of you. But its worth the risk. They melt in your mouth
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Deto ยท 105 points ยท Posted at 00:31:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They've really gone too far this time. You can rip off your users and get away with it. But not if they feel like they're getting ripped off. It's just too blatant this time.
Dyalibya ยท 220 points ยท Posted at 01:27:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You underestimate Apple users
tplee ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 03:25:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Literally my wife 5 minutes ago:
Wife: I want to get the new iPhone. (We have iPhone 6s pluses.)
Me: why? What does it have that your phone doesn't.
Wife: it has wireless earbuds
Me: you know they don't come with it and they are almost $200
It's not that mind boggling, because that's the exact market they're going for.
My sister buys MacBooks and iPhones without even so much as reading about the specs or new features. That's exactly the people they're going for. For them, it's all about Apple prestige.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:15:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't mind that, except Microsoft and Google noticed that it works and now everything is a fucking walled garden and you need to jump through hoops to gain root to god damn anything. Makes a man want to boot Linux. In fact why the fuck am I not booting Linux? it's not like I actually use any freaking software anymore. *shakes old man fist*
Lenovo Thinkpads are far and away the best laptops for business. The only people in my company who use Macbooks are developers and graphics designers. Pretty much every review backs this up.
mirhagk ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 03:22:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's false. Macbooks are fantastic for sales staff who need to show off how great they are. Macbooks are like suits.
Seriously. Apple users have been putting up with paying twice what the hardware is worth for decades. Glaring lack of basic functionality has been an apple trademark since before the puck mouse. Do they still do the puck mouse? Do kids even remember the puck mouse?
I'm done too and considering a Galaxy Note or a Nexus
1esproc ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:48:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They come with a pair, and there's an adapter...what is the ripoff exactly?
L43 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:05:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't really see why you think they are ripping users off (more than for other iphones). They give you an adaptor in the box so you can still use a 3.5mm jack with the phone (if they didn't, that would be bad). They just freed up the space inside for more battery or new chip etc, and got rid of a dust magnet/structural weakness. Hopefully, soon we will all be using wireless headphones, and we won't even think we need the jack.
I've got some already, and so I haven't used the 3.5mm jack on my 6S ever. I know I'm probably a bit ahead of most people with this, but it pretty much is the future.
Really, this is much less overly forward thinking than the Macbook with its single port...
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L43 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:56:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm surprised I haven't been downvoted more with my recent comments. I'm not that much of a fanboy, I will jump ship as soon as I see greener pastures, I just have this addition of going against circle jerks.
huppfi ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:36:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well you can't charge your phone while listening to music.
Other than that Bluetooth headphones will always lose in quality to wired ones so no way am I going to use them.
But I guess if you don't care about quality get the overpriced new IPhone.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:35:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The hashtag AppleEvent on Twitter says otherwise
Fleeeemo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:09:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You realize it comes with an adapter, right? It won't cost people any extra to use the headphones they already have... and let's be honest, the tech world is moving toward wireless, so it's really not blatant at all.
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Deto ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:37:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Devs cheered Apple for doing this though. Flash was a mess.
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Deto ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:50:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but did it actually affect the general public much? Or did websites just scramble to switch to HTML5 instead?
Also, users could always just download Chrome so it couldn't have been that big of a deal for them.
I still cheered i though... Every. Single. Time. my web browser crashed at that time it was due to flash. Also the original iPhone wasn't really up to the task of running flash anyways.
As far as I can tell theres no benefit, right? There's a lot of "bluetooth is the future" and "they give you an adapter, so its no big deal"... But I havent heard yet why it's better for the consumer.
By removing the DAC from the phone, that does two things- one- less space, both from the Jack and from the DAC, meaning EITHER slimmer or, in the case of the 7 and 7+, more battery.
Two- it forces the headphone manufacturers to put the DACs in their headphones. For years he manufacturers haven't had to do that, and while sure it's easier, it very well could've stifled development of newer, better tech.
If BT can get to a point where the headphones last for days on a single charge, then I'm fine with no headphone jack. Honestly, the only time I use it is in he car, and I can just leave the adapter in there.
All in all, it doesn't inconvenience nearly as many people as the Internet would have you believe.
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gormster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:28:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah there is obviously still a DAC and an amplifier. (Heads up, though, the microphone needs an ADC, not a DAC.)
To me that sounds like it's going to make headphones more expensive and bulkier for theoretical innovations. What possibilities may be out there with the DAC in the headphones? I agree it probably wont impact most people though, like most things the internet gets upset about.
By forcing the manufacturers to R&D some DACs, it's likely we could get get better fidelity or higher quality BT standards due to that. There's been external DACs for years, but really only used by the enthusiasts.
It's a guessing game- Apple made the wager that less people will be upset than those that either aren't affected, or are excited.
Me personally, I'm stoked to get rid of it. I use mostly Bluetooth anyway.
In any case, a vast percentage of people in this thread are idiots. From not grasping how apples ecosystem actually functions, to insulting users who are actually excited.
It's fucking ridiculous. It's a phone guys. I've seen hardcore football rivalries that argue less than this. And it's mostly android users shitting on iPhone users. I just don't understand.
gormster ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:25:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly I was surprised they even put the adapter in the box. They didn't put the 30-pin to lightning adapter in, you had to shell out an extra $30.
But seriously, I don't think it affects most people, because (a) most people never use headphones with their phone, and (b) most people that do use the headphones that came with it. The average redditor is a long way from the average user.
and think about it- what's better with this phone?
a bit of waterproof- but it's NOT tough. 9/10 if you drop it into water, it's gonna die from the shock.
So there's only HALF of the reason for having a waterproof phone.
You have a LITTLE better camera, but for 90% of people this difference WILL NOT matter.
You have similar battery life to the last model (in real world use).
What's there to love? Most of what it brings people DO NOT NEED.
Last year's model is more than enough for almost ANYBODY.
Aedan2016 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 01:31:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I could understand them doing it IF there was some real reason for doing so. ie. Making the phone significantly thinner. but there is absolutely no reason for them having done this.
I'm going to be sticking to my 6 for a while it seems.
I thought about this, but Samsung have phones that have been waterproof with the headphone jack for sometime now.
Also, I don't have a big problem with using wireless headphones. But every now and then my phone for whatever reason decides not to want to connect to my headphones - not often, but it happens. I usually have a wired set kicking around somewhere just in case.
L43 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It takes up quite a lot of room in the case, is a structural weakness and a potential gap for dust to get in. Also, you don't really need it. You can still connect 3.5mm headphones with the adaptor, or get bluetooth headphones (any work, not just their overpriced, likely crappy quality ones), and not piss about with wires at all. Thats the future in my eyes.
This is going to get down voted to hell but I agree with Apple's decision to remove the headphone jack. This pushes sound quality advancements in wireless headphone tech. Current Bluetooth tech is shit in terms of sound quality. How are we suppose to move into the future if everyone's OK with the same old wired tech.
I agree. It's probably gonna drop Apple's sales a little, but at least it's something Apple is supposed to be known for. Innovation.
modal11 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:00:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How are we suppose to move into the future if everyone's OK with the same old wired tech
By working on wireless tech issues that actually need fixing before taking the leap perhaps? Most of us have zero issues with wired audio tech and for good reason: Unless the product gets physically damaged, it generally works and sounds great provided you have decent speakers/headphones. They could focus on addressing Bluetooth quality issues without removing the DAC and audio jack from the phone, neither takes up much space and could easily fit into the current design. IMO this has everything to do with the Beats acquisition (a well marketed, superficially well designed but technically horrible product, when you compare cost v.s. quality) and how to monetize it.. easy enough.. by locking devoted Apple users into using it.
amolin ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:58:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did you miss the part where it has longer battery life? Or the new haptic engine? Removing the DAC and the plughole gives more room for other things.
jarrys88 ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 01:17:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm an android user but honestly, it comes with a little cord adapter anyway, whats it matter?
DariusL ยท 72 points ยท Posted at 01:27:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can't charge the phone and use the adapter at the same time, plus a small adapter like that is very easy to lose
And honestly the fact this is a conversation we even have to have now is fucking ridiculous. They screwed their users, plain and simple, no hand waving will change that.
Incursus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:54:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
$9 for something that would be pennies to add to the phone directly.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:34:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Only $9.
That's $9 for a stupid adapter that I shouldn't even need. I had dumb phones in the early 2000's that required dongles for headphone use and it was terrible.
I can't believe that people are willingly going to buy a phone that will require them to use dongles as well.
And yes, I know wireless headphones are a thing, but I don't want to have only a 5 hour limit on my headphones before I have to recharge them and I don't want to buy new headphones when I already have several pairs of $100 plus earbuds and headphones.
DariusL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:14:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're supposed to cost 9$, which isn't too bad, but it probably means it'll be super flimsy
ijustrk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:42:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
$9 from Apple. Knockoffs will probably only be a couple bucks at most.
the wireless earbuds, which is the entire reason they got rid of the jack, to transition from wired to wireless, are $160. You telling me you're willingly going to pay $160 for wireless earbuds from Apple? If not, and you still plan on using wired headphones, then there was no need to get rid of the 3.5mm jack in the first place.
This. How headphones to people own? I'll use the new earpods, and then put the adapter on my sennheisers and forget it. My sennheisers already have an adapter to bring then from 1/4 to 3.5mm. I usually have my phone hooked up to my car via BT or to another speaker.
ITT reddit is mad over change, than in 3 years will be laughable non-issue.
The worst part about it is they own the lightning technology, and it supposedly produces better sound quality than the 3.5mm jack. More power to that port I guess? But the other worst thing is that so many businesses rely on it for things like Square card readers.
Audio via Lightning is only better quality if the external DAC is better than the previous internal DAC of the phone (which is now in the adaptor). This is often the case with decently priced wireless headphones, but not on some $15 pair.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:29:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What is it like to gain an extra camera and lose audio jack?
Mezujo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:41:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It'd be a bit defensible if they at least included wireless headphones with the purchase of the iphone or if they had wireless charging instead so that the various usages of the lightning cable were shortened.
But no, they didn't. I've had every flagship model of the Iphone they've had and I think this might be the first one I don't get.
Being an Apple user or not has nothing to do with it. Not being able to defend this is a bit shortsighted and shows a lack of vision. The headphone jack is an ancient technology. It delivers shit audio quality and is vulnerable to all sorts of damage. There may be some lost convenience in the short term, but just like removing the floppy drive, optical drive, ethernet port and etc its time to move on and in the long run this is a better product.
And if you want to use your old headphone just use the damn adapter.... its a simple solution.
I use my wired headphones to run and my wireless doesn't work well when I run. I have a good set of headphones that I paid good money for that I will no longer be able to use. I was complaining when they removed the CD drive cause I used it for work. Since I don't anymore, haven't used it in years, but still don't need to upgrade to a new Mac cause this 5 year old one that I'm using is smooth as hell.
Why cant you defend it? Its an obsolete technology. Theres literally nothing a headphone jack can do but provide audio. Its pointless. With that free space they were able to add double sided stereo speakers. Thats 100x worth it than a little headphone jack, that is slowly dying out anyway. Music is starting to be streamed via bluetooth, wireless, and even now with apples W1 chip. So I dont understand why people are all up in arms, eventually all phones will have this technology gone. Its a matter of time.
I don't think it's obsolete yet. I use wired headphones when I run. The wireless ones that I have don't work well while running. I think it's a bit too early too jump ship on the jack.
Just like apple was a bit too early to jump ship on the USB-C. But it will happen, and when everyones just jumping on, Apple will be the one perfecting what they already started, like always.
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:59:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's probably to sell more wireless beats headphones
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:01:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As an Apple user, I can't even defend this decision.
Android user here. Yes you can. Wireless BT has improved by leaps and bounds. I listen to music on my wireless Sonies all the time. Wireless earphones with no cords are also around the corner.
If it's allowing Apple to make other improvements and improve water proofing, I'm all for it.
What could putting an audio jack on the phone possibly hurt? Their reputation has always been simplicity and convenience. They blew that shit , right out the window with this phone!
T-Mobile tried the no headphone jack with the mytouch and I think it was less than a year later they released a new version of the mytouch with a head phone jack because most people hated having to carry around that stupid adapter. I wonder if it's going to catch on for Apple or be a fail.
Farradi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fnhatic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:19:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly the most ironic part is that a couple months ago, Samsung enabled the FM feature on the S7, which uses the 3.5mm jack for an antenna, which is something Apple had several years ago. And now Apple's removing it.
Same. I guess the one I have now will be my last. It's time to switch.
frahs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:36:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As an Android user, I can. Getting rid of the auxiliary port makes total sense -- USB Type-C has more than enough bandwidth to stream high-quality digital audio and who needs one more hole in your phone?
Now the decision to use a lightning connector. That's dumb. They should have used USB type-c and added wireless charging so that you have a convenient way to charge your phone while listening to music.
It-idiot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:37:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Really? The adapter is in the box...
At some point, it is time to move on to something better. Example, VHS to DVD to Blu-Ray.
schwab002 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:38:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
The only thing I can think of is the mac book air, which was the first laptop to come out without a CD-rom drive, and nearly everyone was angry that apple would do such a thing and make them pay extra for a clunky external drive.
They (Jobs' decision?) were so right on that one.
I don't think the removal of these two features are that comparable but they are probably thinking along those lines.
edit: this is coming from someone who generally dislikes apple, and doesn't own a single apple product.
I love my Macbook as it's held up incredibly well and I can't stand Windows so I've always just bought iPhones for the sake of cohesion. The iPhone 7 would need a different set of headphones from my Mac. Cohesion right?
And yes, I know there's an adaptor. I also know that it will break every other month and will constantly come out of it's port. No dice.
I can defend it. Headphone jacks are outdated, take up valuable space and don't offer the same music streaming quality that lightning ports could. At some point we need to stop getting emotionally attached to these things and keep progressing.
kevando ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:42:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think this is one of those decisions that's an early indicator of what the apple car experience will be like. You can imagine they want as few cords as possible and they're getting us used to that early. Sucks now, though I agree.
The worst part is that the product is fucking cool. Wireless earbuds are amazing and I've wanted them ever since seeing the movie Her. But that doesn't mean you sacrifice your 3.5mm jack!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:44:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought it was to make it completely water proof
avboden ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:46:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not that hard
More space for internals, dual speakers, bigger battery, better mics, thinner form factor, easier waterproofing, etc.
Ensures better quality audio via digital output
Pushes the wireless standard forward, you will start seeing many more wireless headphones on the market.
don't like it? It's a tiny adapter you'll hardly notice.
the ONLY downside is not being able to charge the phone and use lightening headphones at the same time, that's seriously the only downside here.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:49:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've used macs for 25 of my 28 years of life and I won't even try
All i can say is that people kept mocking apple when they killed the floppy/CD and look how it great it turned out for the rest of the industry. I honestly think apple is the only company that can get away removing the jack.
Its pretty futuristic but i cant help but feel sad about it
You know, I like Apple but that's just one of these things where I stand on the side and let people complain because there's nothing else to do
cenamark ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:09:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I understand why they've done it it's old technology, but you're turning off potential customers who can't imagine a phone without the jack. It's like when Apple stopped including floppy drives with their computers in 1999. Yeah, the floppy's time was coming up, but it still had at least 5 years left of being used by the general public. Apple pulled the plug on it too soon. People don't want to be abruptly forced to give up their old technologies.
I can try. The 3.5mm headphone jack is long over due for retirement, it's archaic! It more than likely took up valuable space inside the device, which could be used for other improvements. Wireless headphones will only get better as time and research progresses, so why bother catering to old technology. Most people I know have already shifted over to wireless headphones. Honestly tho, who the hell even likes wires anymore...? I love this move by Apple. Fuck microUSB and fuck the 3.5mm !
what honestly made you buy their shit product in the first place, before this fiasco?
did you really get rekt by their marketing nonsense?
mrbooze ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:29:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's never bothered me to have the headphone jack, and I wouldn't care if it was still there, but I honestly haven't used my headphone jack in years.
And I don't have bluetooth in my car, I just charge and play via USB with the lightning cable.
moush ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:36:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You realize Apple has done this multiple times over the years and people just ignore it right? Nothing will be different this time either.
SMurdaa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:36:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As an apple user I really don't get the big deal. I already use Bluetooth audio almost exclusively... Plus they'll supply lightning port headphones and adapters. Everything is trending towards wireless anyway. Not really a deal breaker
lettis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:44:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
you do understand that at some point in your life the 30 year old analog headphone jack was going to die and be replaced by a digital connection right? its inevitable, unless you would rather see technology stagnate?
people hate on apple and make jokes every time they change something yet 2 years later everyone is like MY ANDROID DOES THAT TOO
Ehrre ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:45:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How about a waterproof phone?
Fnhatic ยท 591 points ยท Posted at 01:54:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
GreyRobe ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:47:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Does that actually work?
sparkpin ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 03:02:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If the Cleaning System acts as a passthrough port then it should boot Game Genie, which then starts Sonic 3 & Knuckles, unless the SEGA CD takes priority
GAME GENIE!!! holy shit I forgot all about that and actually have no recollection of what it does
Die4Ever ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:00:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Introducing the iPhone 7 and Knuckles and Knuckles and Knuckles
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:31:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm still devastated that NHL 97 & Knuckles didn't work.
KOgames ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:52:18 on December 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sonic 3CD & Knuckles & Knuckles
xdamm777 ยท 177 points ยท Posted at 01:33:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So, honest question here.
If Apple defends this decision because they have "courage" and we must "move on" how are they going to realistically defend the decision of removing the headphones jack from their iPad, Macbooks and iMacs?
Will they simply keep the headphones jack because these are larger devices and have enough space to accommodate it or will they prove they actually do have the courage to start this shit and go on with it?
Good question. Motorola beat them to it, but I bet they will continue on with this trend. They'll probably still have it on their bigger products for a while, just like they still have ethernet ports on their desktop computers.... Then again, they removed the DVD drives from their larger computers too... But DVD drives are larger than headphone jacks, so we will see
Yea I got a new mac as a present in 2015. Went to insert CD and....oh. Now I have an external cd/DVD drive sitting next to my mac, using up an additional USB port. Thanks Apple.
xdamm777 ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 02:52:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair I haven't even physically touched a CD/DVD in the last 6 years, but sometimes I think about buying some BluRays and a BluRay player for my PC, but then I remember the case I bought doesn't even have a tray for a disk reader...
Everything is a compromise but removing such an essential part of a mobile device (headphones jack) is still dumb IMHO.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 11:07:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:11:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The quality is a worse bitrate. Blu-ray is still the best quality, better than the ultraviolet codes
Yeah I remember the uproar, but I also remember buying the Macbook Air around then after realising that due to Steam and Spotify I didn't ever buy CD's anyway.
It isn't true. Besides Linux based systems typically have some guy in the community who gets angry enough at a problem to write his own software, that's is available free to everyone.
Fbydus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:57:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Motorola recently released moto z play and it has 3.5 mm port
They will. A thunderbolt to audio jack adapter can have as high quality or better DAC than the current macbook has. I'm not defending the decision, but I would put money on it happening on the next big update.
I used to feel the same way, until I realized I don't use hardly any apps. I would download flappy bird, play it for a week, then be done with it. The ONLY apps I need are Office apps, a music player, email and an alarm. (Oh and calling and texting). Occasionally Facebook messenger. I never used Snapchat. Windows Phone works for me, and I love Continuum, so I don't need a full computer.
Windows Phone is great for me.
b0005 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:39:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This
It does everything I actually want it to do. I've had my Lumia 928 since it was brand new and I love the thing.
I didn't miss it at first. I moved from android to Windows phone. It was STELLAR. I loved every damn thing about that phone.
Then it broke around the time my contract was up. No new phones at the time so i decided to go with android. Now I use Snapchat all the time. Wouldn't want to switch back if it wasn't there.
Exactly this, I got the lumia 800 on release and it's still one of my favourite phones, incredibly drop proof, really smooth and felt great in the hand, unfortunately I'm a sucker for social media and snapchat and Instagram were kind of deal breakers for me, when it came to replacing it I had to go for android because it was cheap and actually had an App Store
From what little I used Snapchat, it seems as though it encourages users to make fun of people, and for people to share nude pictures. Not to mention, the CEO is an an absolute douche. He is a misogynistic jerk that needs punched in the face badly. I got more snaps laughing at professors/teachers and people than anything actually meaningful. Snapchat users tell me, "I like it because it doesn't save pictures on my device," but you can just delete pictures if you don't want them.
I heard that he doesn't care about the Android platform, which is why their Snapchat app sucks. When asked about Windows Phone, or at least letting a WIndows Developer write for the app (or give them access to the API), they don't respond. I have asked multiple questions to their support team, and I have NEVER had a single response. Not even a "We got your message."
I have seen selfies on Facebook where they use doggy ears and templates to make the pictures look cute. I have also heard cautionary tales about people taking screen caps and to never assume that a picture won't be shared or won't survive on the internet forever.
That being said, constantly receiving snaps that make fun of others and gives me more negative snaps than feel-good snaps would sour my experience too. Your gripes with the app are justified.
The lack of apps doesn't bother me at all. It's the really poor design of the OS that made me leave.
I had a Lumia 640 and I loved it. It was fast, had a great camera and the battery life was phenomenal. Sadly it fell out of my pocket and cracked, so my insurance company replaced it with a Lumia 650 running Windows 10.
Since switching I've had an absolute nightmare of a time with it. They even swapped it again for me under warranty but the new unit has the same issues. Updates form MS fix one problem but break something else. I've been told to join the Insider program to try the test builds but I can't see that making my phone more stable.
Long story short, I bought a secondhand Samsung S6 Edge and I love it. The battery life isn't as good but it's fast, stable and has fast charging.
TL;DR: Fuck Windows 10
mirhagk ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:26:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm hoping UWP solves this issue. That and Xamarin forms where you can write a single app, target every platform, and have it not suck. Just need to wait a few years for it to take a decent market share.
Rhysing ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:04:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because its a better phone. Not a better small screen social media device.
I'm so I happy I went WP. High quality camera and headphone jack? Removable Battery? Left the cancerous Facebook community for the even more cancerous reddit community. Seems like it's working out for me.
b0005 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:38:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Preach Brother!
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 01:35:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Apparently something called "surface" phone will be our savior.
Zoltrahn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:52:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nothing comes close to my phablet 1520. I've had it since the day it came out and have no intention of changing phones anytime soon.
dmt267 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:37:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lumia 950XL masterrace
Zoltrahn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:38:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That really is the only phone I have even thought about upgrading to and really only for continuum. Have you tried it out yet? If so, what do you think of it?
Betinem ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:00:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:46:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just bought a Lumia 640 'cause it was like $30 new at Best Buy. I absolutely hate -- hate -- the Windows mobile user interface. It is so fucking bad. Luckily I just bought the Lumia has a spare device to play around with, it didn't replace my Moto X Pure.
You'll get used to it, I couldn't figure it out after iOS for like 2 weeks. But now I honestly think win mobile is the best platform for phones out there. No, my Lumia doesn't hold me hostage while I write these words.
Everytime I use a friends Android or iOS device I realise that there is just so much unused space on the homescreen or app drawer, I really like how "dense" the W10M UI is. Oh and my parents love it because for them it's much simpler to use than the other two but that's a subjective thing.
giganato ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:20:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's better read cleaner than the Android interface.. Google apps though is the only thing I miss
dmt267 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:38:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Meh I have a moto g4 and the Windows Phone interface is much better than this
I've had two windows phones. One got thrown out the window of my moving car and not a scratch. The most recent one had screen cracks and nothing else after being run over by a forklift carrying a full load. Regretfully switched to a Nexus... I want my windows phone back.
Had a lumia before i got my s6 and now s7 active. Honestly, i used to be big into phone modding, flashing and customizing windows mobile phones but when windows phones rolled out i tried to stay aboard the microsoft ship.. but they failed to get more apps and tools we requested. On andriod until that issue is solved.
wabojabo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:34:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think almost everyone who has ever had one has loved it but Microsoft and the cell companies just never gave it a chance. I loved my 920 and would've switched back to wp in a second had I not been pressed for time to get my newest phone.
Betinem ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:58:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Totally agree! Proud Lumia 830 owner. Really love this device.
I liked mine but the app support was dropping like flies. I mean, Bank of America pulled their app. I went to transfer some money, "Bitch, We don't support your janky Windows phone." I don't do a ton on my phone, but the banking app was the nail in the coffin for me. With Samsung I have the app and login with my fingerprint.
I had a Windows phone for a couple years. Having had an iPhone since then, and now a Galaxy S6, the Windows phone is the best phone I've ever had. It's not even close.
Yes, the app market on Windows sucks, BUT the OS is way faster, way less buggy, nicer looking, more intuitive, more user-friendly, and the phones themselves come with way less bloatware.
I'm switching to Google Fi (HTC) for my next phone because I absolutely hate my Samsung. If that's a bust then I'd seriously consider going back to Windows phone.
[deleted] ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 03:07:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
My biggest gripe is they have a stick so far up their ass about allowing any kind of competitor stuff into their app store. Ok, I get that you don't want Google taking a piece of your pie, but really? I'm pretty sure they've lost a lot more to the microscopic app store than they would to letting some apps in that might take a small cut of their captive audience...
Yap.. Instagram only recently has a official app for win mobile. Facebook is ported from iOS, and it's rubbish.. Great OS, great phones most of them, but the apps..
My windows phone only has a year, it's almost new and I don't intend to switch it for another year or two. I hope when I need to buy a new one they already had made a change of some kind to the app problem or I'll go to Android unfortunately.
It's Google not wanting to be let in. Look at the original Microsoft YouTube app. They know WP is a competitor so they have tried to kill the market.
IllRED ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:46:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My only gripe with my Windows phone is that I can't use Hangouts on it. If I could use Hangouts and if there were a few more apps I want (Wickr), I wouldn't be tempted to switch to an Android phone.
Same, I'm on my third budget Windows Phone. It's super sturdy, plays anything I need it to. But as much as I'd love to use skype to talk to my friends, that app is just a broken mess and messages are simply not arriving or being sent.
Was a proud former-WP user since WP7, only converted about a year ago when they started beta testing w10m, and man do i miss it for many things. I'm on an S7Edge right now, and it's ok - cluttered, buggy, but it gets the job done. WP8.1 was quite fantastic and actually very clever - too bad MSoft didn't pursue devs more aggressively. I understand they're playing the long game by making UWP and building that foundation, but come on man, i want to go back.
Shmeves ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:44:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's good for what it does. Not the best network as they borrow from both Sprint and T-mobile, but I rarely have issues with signal strength and with Wi-Fi calling/texting it doesn't matter much anyways.
Also being able to text/call from the web on any pc is pretty cool too.
Cheap as hell plans on top of that (you pay for what you use in data other than the first payment).
venounan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:22:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Have you checked out Motorola phones? I love mine, even the flagship phone is cheap. It also blows people's minds that my phone has a built in radio that I can use (afaik every phone has a radio but only Motorola activates it). My cel plan is ting, which is also so inexpensive and similar to Google Fi I think.
I say the same about my blackberry 10 phone. Plus security, 36 hour battery life, expandable memory, built like a tank, best integrated messaging hub, and wicked physical and virtual keyboards.
Balind ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:35:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hrm, I wonder if making Windows Phone specific apps might be a good business strategy.
I wouldn't say so. All the users of WP want is to use the same apps that their friends on Android and iOS use. One developer made several clone apps (like 6Snap instead of Snapchat) that worked with their counterparts, but those companies came after him (despite having no intention of ever making their own WP version) and his apps were removed. It sucked.
I suspect the reason so many popular apps don't have a WP version is because Google and Apple try hard to keep it that way :/.
Thomjones ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 02:13:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I LOVED my Windows Phone. I seriously miss it. The ease of use was incredible compared to my new android phone. And the UI was just...idk...it was just dynamic and stylish and idk. It was quality.
I always thought my HTX 8X had actual life to it when the tiles were flipping with new updates/information. The home screen was never static. I loved that thing.
I used to love my windows phone too. The touch on HTC was amazing. Then I had an android and I used to miss the touch that my windows phone had. Then I was gifted an iPhone and now I am stuck with it.
w4rkry ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:25:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can put a full Win Phone UI on an android
dmt267 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:39:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
dmt267 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:55:11 on September 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting. Thanks mate~
ajvl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:02:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
RemindMe! 2 days
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:19:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It won't feel the same. One thing that annoyed me with android three years ago, was that when I ran an app it didn't respond to anything, the phone hung for 6 second. WP stays responsive no matter what. When an app is starting I can cancel it.
MatsuDano ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 01:45:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 01:48:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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FoxxyRin ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:59:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The community kind of blew that one out of proportion. They never once had the intention of letting the average user port over .apks. It was an app conversion method for developers which IS implemented. Any app can become a W10 universal app if they just port over their iOS/Android app. The issue is that companies are being jerks about it and refusing to do it. A few have finally started (Instagram, Facebook, etc.), but companies like Snapchat are just being jerks about it.
The annoying thing about Snapchat is that they could have spent all the time and effort they put into taking down all the knock-off SC apps and proactively being anti-Windows Phone, just making a fucking Snapchat app.
They legitimately have been dicks about it too. IIRC, they hired Rudy Huyn, the guy behind all the '6' series of ports/knocks offs (6tag - Insta, 6tin - Tinder, 6sec - Vine, etc) and then just dicked him around before binning him. They basically just wasted his time so he wouldn't create another 6snap after they originally took it down.
FoxxyRin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:33:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't Rudy do something along the lines of offering to do their app for free as long as they'd just keep his name on it, and then Snapchat threw a huge fit about him wanting his name on it? Or some sort of dumb drama like that? I don't remember the exact story, but I do remember that they're just a bunch of fucking jackasses.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:51:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Windows Phone being able to run .apk apps? Pretty sure Microsoft gave up on it.
EpzDR ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:49:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apps. The damn (Lack of) apps.
I absolutely love Windows 8.1 mobile. It's like the middle ground between iOS and Android, stable OS that doesn't show signs of slowing down, a degree of flexibility (Not as much as 'droid but more than iOS) and the phones were a bargain for their specs.
Lost my Lumia 1020, I still miss it. Unfortunately I can no longer do with the lack of important apps (Social media usually lagged behind in features, and there's no Waze!!) so am reluctantly switching to Android once I buy a new phone.
M0ty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:16:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There is a waze app actually. It's a little outdated but it's there
I loved Windows Phone when I had it, for simple tasks like calling, SMS, whatsapp and browsing it was so nice and smooth and the battery used to last 2 days, only thing lacking in WP is apps variety IMO
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:14:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm honestly thinking about switching from Android to Windows phone on my next purchase (in a few years). I just bought the axon 7 and I love it, but I don't like the direction Google is taking with Android.
As a Palm OS user I feel your sense of loss and confusion. Come to Android, no it isn't the warm fuzzy embrace of your mother OS but at least we have 3.5mm jacks.
Fucking Android fanboys. Think you're so special with your headphone jacks, NFC functionality, expanded memory slots, wireless charging, and wide range of easy customization for nearly every aspect of the phone!
Oh god I miss my HTC so much....
[deleted] ยท 1501 points ยท Posted at 23:06:10 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like a bad case of droid rage.
4609203 ยท 727 points ยท Posted at 23:45:05 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Droid commercials were the best because of the cool way they said Droid at the end.
learn about "hyperbole" and use context to figure out "statements of jest."
insulting autistic people by belittling their condition
These two statements are almost completely contradictory
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 01:46:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or you can keep going around and insulting autistic people by belittling their condition.
Oh, twat off.
skeptibat ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:47:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Twat did you say?
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 01:49:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, congratulations on managing to comprehend that well enough to parrot it back.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:50:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 01:53:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, even when I'm not looking at the screen I know you're there.
skeptibat ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:55:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well then, if you feel that these letters are worth your time and effort, then by all means, have fun! Vent your frustrations of the day! Get em out! If insulting letters on the screen makes you feel good inside, then who am I to stand in your way! hifive
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:07:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Now that I think about it, I've actually never used the private messaging system in reddit. It's just a platform to look at cat pictures and make snarky comments. I don't even use the agree/disagree arrows.
Actually, I take that back, i did receive one message, about a month ago, and I have no idea what it means:
Do you use references or historical literature when you are looking for names such as Tetsusaiga?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:18:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tetsusaiga
I had to look that one up, apparently it's a sword from an anime, but there's some kind of debate about whether that's the name? Kinda weird, but it looked like it would have been a cool sword.
Nah, because I wasn't around at the time those became genericized. I'm sure if I was, and reddit was, I would have made the same comment about it though.
But, this is more akin to calling all tablets 'ipads' -- another thing that I would make a snarky comment about on reddit. (Don't mistake my snark and hyperbole as being bothered, I really couldn't care less. I just like making dumb comments on reddit.)
I carry a pocket size foldable keyboard that plugs into my phone's USB port. That, combined with a tiny phone stand, makes for a perfect cafรฉ setup. Power bank is a great thing to have on hand, even though it needs the same port.
Walking aimlessly around town while trying to convince yourself to sit down and write has never been easier.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:48:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you're a writer, it might make sense to carry a keyboard wherever you go. For everyone else, it's just one more thing to have to carry around that doesn't make much sense to.
Plenty of my friends in University do this, and then there are those freaks called redditors who most certainly have a fair deal of phone-keyboarders in their ranks. Redditing 20 hours a day is hard work.
True, there's no point if you don't plan to sit down to write for hours.
However, in the cafรฉ that I frequent there have always been loads of people with their laptops. Over the years I've seen a few of them adopting the phone&keyboard-solution. My guess is that they are translators, copy-editors, bloggers, or any of the dreadful jobs where you end up writing emails all day.
I just want to say that if anyone is carrying their laptop around just to produce text, I can wholeheartedly recommend the phone&keyboard-solution.
I can't believe Apple had the audacity to get rid of the physical keyboard in the iPhone. I for one know I will never buy an iPhone unless it has a full QWERTY keyboard
Can absolutely agree with that, I'm using this to type right now, and I'm noting going to go back and correct any mistakes I make on purpose. Jus to show how bad I am at typing on a digital keyboard.
I'm in my 3rd week of this semester, and I spend about 8 hours on campus every weekday, and use a big batterypack like that to charge my phone when it needs it. I use that charger every day, and it didn't die until this morning. It's so useful to have.
Interesting that you say that. Since getting my g3, my tablet gets very little use, I don't always bother to bring it when I travel since my phone is so capable, large enough to be very useful but small enough to fit in my pocket.
[deleted] ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 01:28:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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VulturE ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:02:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Get a 6P and a usb battery bank that can do reversible USB. You'll only use the battery bank for emergencies.
I charge my phone every day by plugging it into the car charger and doing my 20min ride to work and my 20 minute ride home. No charger at work and no charger at home except for one kept in my laptop bag which is used once or twice a month.
Dude, people who haven't experienced the joy of multiple batteries will never understand how great it is to not plug your phone in. The only time I put mine on a charger is if I use the Hotspot so it doesn't die.
My battery will last me a day and a half or more and it's nice to just pop a new battery in and keep going about my day.
I'm on my phone constantly too and, well my iPhone 6 lasts all day from an overnight charge. If I forget to charge one night it still has around 30%. I'm never really concerned about my phone dying even if I forget to charge it.
My phone is 3 years old, the battery was great to begin with but eventually stopped holding a charge as long. I was able to just buy a new battery thankfully.
I wonder what the difference is. I have a 6S and, while the battery life is miles beyond the HTC One I had, it doesn't last a whole day anymore without charging. It might have right at the beginning (it's about a year old now).
Except I would never need one more of either lol. I'm not the same guy you were talking to.
My battery lasts me 2 days, if I bring my second battery that's four days of charge without needing to plug in.
Why on earth would I need another 200 gig SD card? My phone has 64 already built in. I don't even use the SD, it's just an extra bonus.
You won't understand how nice it is having more than one battery because you've never had one. I used to think it wasn't that great before I had one too.
Also, an oem charger for my phone is 20 bucks and so is an extra battery so your point on it costing more is moot.
I was simply addressing the comment of how great it is having a spare battery at home and a spare battery at work so the phone can always be charged. In that scenario, it is literally no different than having a USB cord at home and one at work.
And how does an additional charger and an extra battery costing $40 total make my point that a USB cord is cheaper "moot"? A USB cord is like $5.
That's not an oem charger. A non oem charger means I can't use fast charge functionality. If I can't use fast charge there's almost no point to plugging my phone in and an oem charger is still 20 bucks but I can get the batteries for the same price so it still makes more sense to buy more batteries. They also have longer lives and won't start dying as quick because they never get fully depleted. I'm trying to get the point across that the USB and battery are the same price. I already got the extra battery and charging station for free with my phone. If I want another battery it's the same as the oem cord so why buy the cord? Idk, maybe you like being tethered to a wall.
I agree having a battery at home and work is a little overkill.
You're won't understand though because you've never had two batteries for your phone. It's a godsend.
To be clear, I have had two batteries for my phone--I don't know why you assume I've always had an iPhone. Having the second battery was nice, but I found myself never using it.
I think this might just be a difference in opinion based on profession. Where I work, I'm sitting at my computer all day. So in the afternoon when my phone hits 10%, I just plug it in to the cord right in front of me and carry on as normal. It would really be no different to just switch out the battery. I suppose if I had a job where I was constantly going places the spare battery would be helpful, but I'm constantly fully charged because I'm not really leaving my computer.
I never said iPhone. Never even said you didn't have a phone that had the option. Just said I assumed you never had a second battery.
If you feel it's better to constantly be plugged in or have to remember to plug it in that's fine. I'll keep flipping my batteries every two days and not be tied to a wall ever.
myownman ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:28:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
S6edge owning office drone here.
Beautiful phone. Extremely long list of features. Eats batteries like nobody's business.
I would kill for a battery swap option instead of this zerolemon battery case. Being tethered to my desk because of a dead battery sucks ass.
VulturE ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:03:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And they had to stick with USB 2 because they really wanted you to buy their old VR headset that they've already replaced!
Interesting, I didn't know that. I have good reception most of the time so that could be it.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:03:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, my g3 lasts pretty well over a day of moderate-heavy use. It's still awesome to swap in a fresh battery after a year when it starts to lose capacity.
Also, given the 1440 screen, decent ram and snap 801, I haven't found a reason to move on to anything else.
I'm amazed how long my N6P battery lasts with Android Nougat. I use my phone quite a bit, and it rarely dips below 30% at the end of the day. And if I drove my car at any time during the day, it'll be closer to 80%. There is a charging dock in the car, and fast charge is pretty impressive
The battery is miniscule and doesn't require you to bring a cord around. Plus instant 100%. Why would you not buy an extra battery if your phone allows it?
Plus I get a little feeling of superiority when I see other people scrambling to charge their phone, or getting tethered to a wall outlet.
Oh man, if I had a dollar for every time someone with an iPhone was frantically running around asking for a charging cable at an industry conference...
Check out /r/lgg4 but be warned, there was a manufacturing defect causing boot loops so that sub is inundated with posts about that.
My quick review: I came from a galaxy s4 that I loved because it was rooted and heavily customized.
I love the g4 camera. Manual mode and raw pictures are awesome.
The size is ok. The leather curved back feels pretty nice in my hands. The build quality is pretty good. The LG launcher is pretty lightweight, I actually like it above others that I've used (HTC and Samsung). The weirdest thing to get used are the volume buttons and power button (they are under the rear camera). But once you get used to it, your index finger sits there naturally.
Cons: battery life is poor. No root and probably won't ever get root.
Pros: camera, expandable storage, removable battery, headphone jack
LagT_T ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:46:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can root the international version.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:24:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hello, Australian here, I've rooted mine and it still works fine.
Also you can also get root access but I haven't tried that.
What about the insanely low headphone volume? I'm on my 3rd because of the bootloop. This is the worst phone I've ever owned
8lbIceBag ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:39:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
My Verizon LG G4 is rooted and I have xposed? The only thing I can't do is unlock the bootloader.
I also came from the S4, here's my mini-review:
Touch Screen is poor compared to S4. The S4 knew when you were hovering a finger an inch away, this thing sometimes fails to register touches.
The LG-G4 has a display overdrive feature for viewing in sunlight when in auto mode. In manual mode it sets the brightness including the overdrive, then in 15 seconds it's all like "shit, I'm not in auto mode and it's not super bright, better annoyingly and abruptly dim the screen." Workaround is to use root and force the brightness sensor to always read 10000 lumens. I've had my brightness set to max 24/7 overdrive brightness for a year now with no problems.
Because the brightness sensor always reads 10000 lumens, it's now possible to butt dial.
Battery Life is better than the S4. I have a heavily modified system tho. Looses about 3-5% battery every 8hrs with screen off. It'll do 6hrs streaming netflix at 50% brightness and just about 4hrs web browsing at max brightness.
USB Port is shot so I have to swap batteries when one dies. On the S4 you can easily replace this part (did twice on my phone, 3 other times on friends S4's.). On the LGG4 the port is part of the motherboard and you're shit out of luck. Also if your battery is older than a year old it IS SO WORTH BUYING A NEW BATTERY. The old battery couldn't last a full day. The new batteries have 25-40% left when I'm going to bed. I normally have just over 2hrs screen on time a day to arrive at that. That's at max overdrive brightness, Bluetooth, wifi, locations, etc always on.
I hate onscreen buttons. Always have to fumble with them when they go offscreen. They're also sometimes slow to appear.
Speed is so - so. I even have the mini cores set to run full tilt when screen is on.
The phone is running Android 5.1 @ security path level 2015-11-01. There's a few updates available but I'm not sure what that would do to the rooting abilities. I can't think of a single thing to be gained
by upgrading. Every new feature that google has released I've been doing with root and exposed for years.
LagT_T ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:46:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There are plenty that were made this year and even last month that bootlooped. I would stay away from LG in general, but that might change in a few months after the V20 gets released.
Love my G4... though I only have one pretty shot battery, mostly out of laziness to buy another. I see no reason to replace going on two years now. Works like the day I got it.
Except for that whole boot loop thing... but I pretend it never happened!!!
I'm on my 3rd G4 because of the bootloop....this is the worst phone I've ever owned. The camera is shit, the battery is shit, headphone volume is insanely low and you have to replace it every 4 months because it gets stuck in a boot loop. LG should replace these pieces of shit for us.
They replaced the second one for free. The first one was before they acknowledged the manufacturing defect. I have an S6 as a work phone and the picture quality is way better. The auto-adjust feature for the G4 is awful. Everything is dim and it captures every bit of glare if it's present.
ohSpite ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:43:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Really annoyed Samsung have removed this, my old S2 and S4 had this and the S6 I got this year doesn't have a removable battery :(
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:24:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you charge while driving?
munche ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:53:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In the era of external battery packs (which work for your phone, your buddy's phone, and your next phone) the idea of carrying around pre-charged batteries (and how do you charge them?) seems a bit silly.
I can see the argument for things like removable SD cards. I can't see why anyone would rather carry around a battery that they charged in some sort of expensive proprietary cradle vs. a cheap Anker battery pack that will charge their phone 4x over
I hate being tied to the wall. Plus my phone is the remote to all the tvs, dvd players, and roku stick so if the battery is dead then it's a pain in the ass. I have 3 batteries too but one is the original and I've just stopped using it. The 2nd battery is always 100% by the time my phone gets low anyway. I'm starting to suspect the charger port is going out on my phone anyway.
Is it really that different than just having a USB plugged into your computer at work and computer at home (or by your bed)?
vibrate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:04:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My Nexus 6 charges from 0 to 100% in about an hour.
It charges to 70% in about 15 minutes.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:30:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have the Xperia 3, it lasts well over a day on a full charge, with moderate use I get two full days out of it. Plus it has two good speakers and is waterproof to 5m for 30 minutes, and it meshes well with my PS4 and Sony TV.
agree. updated my phone to 256gb with a sd card and bought another battery. Love it.
toconn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:10:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
this is one of those conveniences that's a small plus some of the time, but every now and then it's a HUGE plus - like when you're spending all day traveling and sitting in airports or you're waiting a stupidly long time at the DMV
Oggel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:11:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But if you swap the batteries you lose the 24/7 connection to the world. What if you miss an important email when you're changing battery?
bendvis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:55:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why don't phones have a small, non-removable battery that'll keep the thing alive for 2 minutes during a battery swap?
This is the exact reason I still have my Galaxy Note 4. In an act of epic stupidity, they did away with removable batteries. Until they bring them back, I'm not upgrading.
kenlubin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:49:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Got a v10. I keep a power brick in one pocket and my phone in the other with a usb cable going across and under my shirt. It's probably stupider than just buying another battery.
That seems a bit unnecessary. My droid turbo lasts a day and a half at least and charges in what seems like an hour but I don't know cause it charges so fast I don't think about it.
Jesus fuck I could actually strangle a hardware engineer over that. Batteries crap out all the goddamn time and now you can't do any fucking repairs on anything because Apple made it cool! FUCK!
I have an Android without swappable battery. But I go from 5-10% to 50% in about 15 minutes and be good for another 8 hours of use. Full 100% in less than a hour and am good for all day. I don't even miss my swappable batteries. And that is only QC2.0. QC3.0 is even quicker.
Been waiting over a month for a bootloop repair. Hope you have a back up phone!
jahoney ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:46:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If your device was efficient enough you wouldn't have to worry about it so much -___-
My 6+ lasts an entire day of very heavy usage. If I'm busy doing other stuff I regularly only have to charge it every other day. And my phone is about a year and a half old and battery is still going strong. My androids always had issues with batteries after a year or so and would die very quickly.
Just be cautious with carrying around so many lithium batteries, they do explode if damaged.
romkyns ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:08:02 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I do this a lot when travelling, when I use my phone extensively for the whole day. My only wish is that the phone could last 10 seconds on some sort of an internal capacitor, so that I could swap out the battery without rebooting it.
spader1 ยท 149 points ยท Posted at 01:17:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget the standardized charging connector.
gellis12 ยท 98 points ยท Posted at 01:56:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, good old mini-USB. Wait, no, Micro USB. Fuck, or was it micro USB 3.1 with that extra thing on the side? Shit, no, it's USB-C for sure this time.
[deleted] ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 02:09:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
gellis12 ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 02:13:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
After proprietary connectors died off on android phones, they mostly switched to mini-USB. A lot of the knock-offs that you mentioned still use mini-usb, and most 5+ year old flagship android phones are also mini-usb.
Alos you can't plug a micro usb 3.1 ("with that extra thing on the side") with a normal micros
If you have a micro 3.1 cable, you won't be able to plug it into a phone with a normal micro-usb port because of that extra thing on the side.
edit: spelling
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:22:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't you mean lightning? Thunderbolt is completely different.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 08:05:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Does it matter? Either way, they're very, very frighting.
gellis12 ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 02:23:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Considering the fact that there are still a lot of android phones that use mini-usb, I'd say you're dead wrong about everyone switching.
Once GPU developers start using USB type C to deliver video and power to a monitor, it'll be a staple.
You're thinking Thunderbolt 3, not USB-C. Thunderbolt is a lot more heavy duty than USB, and it requires an intel CPU. You won't be seeing it on a phone any time soon.
I never have had problem with android phone users that I had with iPhone when they switched over to thunderbolt.
You mean Lightning, but I get it. Although the example is a pretty stupid one tbh. If you're using an android phone with micro-usb and your friends only have usb-c or mini-usb or 30 pin, you're just as fucked as an iPhone user who needs a Lightning cable would be.
Lol yup. This guy keeps parroting false information
gellis12 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 04:44:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, you're trying to put words in my mouth. When did I ever say that modern phones do it? I said that there are still a lot of them. Most people don't through their phones out on a yearly basis. Hell, my grandparents still have motorola flip phones from the mid 2000s.
No one I know who isn't poor or old has a phone that old. That's like saying "there are still some computers that only run Windows 95!", which is technically true, but doesn't represent market share at all.
The reason I say that USB c will be more popular is because of it's thunderbolt-esque capability
ThunderBolt 3 and USB-C use the same port but that's as far as it goes, USB-C doesn't have any 'thunderbolt-esque capability'.
ThunderBolt 2 simply used a mini-DispalyPort plug but that doesn't mean mDP supported anything remotely like what a Thunderbolt port would do.
Aidyyyy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:48:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apple's proprietary connector is Lightning. I know, confusing.
gellis12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:52:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
USB-C does not have "thunderbolt-esque" capability... It's USB, and it can cram up to 5 gbps down the cable. Thunderbolt uses the USB-C connector, and it extends the PCIe bus over the cable, and it requires special hardware in the computer to work. You can plug USB devices into a Thunderbolt port and they'll work just fine as USB devices, but you cannot plug thunderbolt devices into a standard USB-C port and have them work.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:09:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know of a single android out of any of my family or friends' phones that use mini usb
gellis12 ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 02:41:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People got ridiculously pissed when Apple switched from the 30 pin connector to the Lightning connector, but android phones do the exact same thing every few years and everyone just accepts it. Hell, a lot of people even get excited about it.
Point is, calling it standardized is a bit of a stretch, given that they'll switch to a different and incompatible version of the standard a few years down the line, and also considering the fact that your phone might be micro usb while your friends is USB-C.
FowD9 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 02:47:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
but android phones do the exact same thing every few years and everyone just accepts
see... that's the thing... it's not "android" that does it every few years.... it's the UNIVERSAL STANDARD that does it and it's only been twice in the past 20 years (mini usb was the standard in '96). almost all of my devices went from Mini to Micro when that standard came out, not just my phone. Now a lot of my devices are using USB-C, not just my phone. and why the changes? performance. meanwhlie iphones have a new adapter every year with no actual bonus to them, just to make you buy a new one
Except lightning has been around for like five years. You're just making shit up.
FowD9 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:53:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
great, now use that to charge your wireless headphones... oh wait... use it to charge your portable battery... oh wait... use that to charge your xb1/ps4 controller... oh wait you can't do that either... hmm, i'm having trouble here... oh I know you can charge your digital camera! nvm, not that either....
I guess your only option is to only ever buy apple products and hope they make every type of device for their proprietary connectors
literally the only reason they don't move to Micro-USB, now USB-C standard, is because they want idiots like you pulling out your wallet for their proprietary shit, even going as far as defending their saddy practices
pedantism ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 04:02:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You sure are angry about something that doesn't affect you. It's ok to just think "well I don't like that. Guess I won't buy it," but for some reason you feel like you have to go shout at people on the internet about how right you are about everything.
FowD9 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:36:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
no, i'm calling out apple for their shitty business practices. not my fault your fanboyism is blinding you to that
gellis12 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 04:47:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lightning is 4 years old. But anyway, lightning was only unveiled at the same time as the iPhone. With USB Type C the specification was finalised in 2014 allowing a year for manufacturers to implement it.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:36:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Universal standard my nuts dude. I'm sitting here with a top of the line Samsung S7 Edge with a micro usb port on it. Nearly a thousand dollar phone and it doesn't even have the newest, best standard.
Why? All because Samsung wanted to ensure compatibility with its shitty fucking vr headset that nobody wants. Then, months later they release a new version of their dog shit vr headset...with a fucking USB-C connection! WTF!
All of these companies make idiotic decisions. Stop tying your self worth to corporations, it's ok to call companies out when they fuck up.
FowD9 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:41:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
it's almost as if... get this... that we're moving into transitioning to USB-C currently... meaning... get this... that not all devices have moved over yet!
amazing how that works, right?
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:58:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So Samsung sells me a phone with an outdated port (Android OEM's were using USB C before the S7 edge came out) so that they can try to sell me a back alley vr headset, then release the exact same headset with the port they should have included in the phone seemingly as a slap in the face to everyone who bought the phone and that's just the way it works right?
Apple makes a crazy ass decision but at least has the decency to include a compatible headset and dongle in the box, and they're literally satan?
Do the Android OEM's pay you to brag about their dick sizes on the internet?
So just because other phones have been released with USB-C (Android is still experimental with USB-C BTW, and TouchWiz can't handle it yet), Samsung must be ripping you off by not including the very cutting edge? And you've somehow connected this to the VR headset. Its easier to integrate a different port into a small embedded device than into a complicated phone with a custom OS on top of an experimental OS.
And meanwhile, Apples decision is somehow better, or even on par? Apple removed a universal standard from their device with no perfect alternatives in its place. Samsung continued to support a universal standard instead of jumping to a very new, not widely used standard.
If you wanted USB-C, why didn't you buy a phone that had it?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:55:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Android is still experimental with USB-C BTW, and TouchWiz can't handle it yet
Lol, that makes no sense. Touchwiz can't handle it? Is that why the Note 7 doesn't have USB-C? Oh...wait.
And you've somehow connected this to the VR headset.
Samsung themselves stated that the reason for sticking with micro USB was to ensure compatibility with their dogshit 6 month old (at the time) vr headset. What they didn't say is that they were going to release the same dogshit headset with USB-C months later. They handicapped their new flagship device to ensure compatibility with a headset that was destined to be outdated months later.
Samsung continued to support a universal standard instead of jumping to a very new, not widely used standard.
Except they just released the Note 7 with USB-C. So which is it? Also, they include a micro-USB to USB-C adapter in the box. Sound familiar?
If you wanted USB-C, why didn't you buy a phone that had it?
You could say the same thing for Apple. If people want a headphone jack, they can still buy a phone with it. Fuck, they can still buy phones in Apple's own line with the jack. Apple did not declare that no phones from now till the end of time can have a headphone jack.
I'm not in anyway saying Apple's decision makes sense, I'm just pointing out that it's sad that people invest so much of their identities into corporations, and their little dicks get so hard when they think the "other side" has fucked up. They all fuck up, all the time.
gellis12 ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 02:55:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
it's the UNIVERSAL STANDARD that does it.
And all of you just bend over and accept that.
meanwhlie iphones have a new adapter every year with no actual bonus to them, just to make you buy a new one
You're dead wrong on that one. The last and so far the only time that the iPhone switched connectors was when it went from the 30 pin connector to Lightning.
FowD9 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:16:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yes, because the universal standard isn't proprietary and there's been legitimate reasons for upgrading
and no i'm not dead wrong, i'm just not blinded by fanboyism. every time they switch their connectors its been for no other reason than to force you to buy new connectors. they've been doing it for ages beyond just the iphone
gellis12 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:55:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wanna give a source for all of these connector changes you're talking about?
kab0b87 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:12:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
On the plus side micro USB 3.1 could still use the old style plugins just not for fast data transfer
gellis12 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:14:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The cables aren't backwards compatible though. That extra bit on the side won't fit into a phone with normal micro-usb.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:56:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Well, if I had to pick between the cable or the port, I have tons of old cables laying around. Use old cables on new phone, or new cables with old phone? What makes more sense?
gellis12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:59:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was so surprised when my classmates phone had SS micro USB port on her phone instead of just micro usb. Went to lend her my cable as her phone died in class and it shocked me, never seen one of them outside of external hard drives.
In fairness, I've never had a non-usb cable require a second flip to to connect properly.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:55:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you're still requiring a second flip to connect a USB cable properly, you're a fucking idiot. The connectors are marked so that you can always line them up correctly the first time.
The 7 isn't using a usb type C??! Really? Cause usb type C has all the benefits of the lightning connector and the standardization and speed of usb behind. Plus Apple already uses it in in their macbooks. I'm kinda shocked they still went with a lightning connector.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:01:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure it's still lightning. I mean, it's USB on one end, but why change it now? It works great.
USB type C has MUCH faster data transfer speeds. Also, I was really hoping that with Apple putting the type C connector on the mackbook, they would also put it on their phones, and finally adopt the standard that all other phone companies are adopting.
nathris ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:45:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget charging speeds. With the tiny batteries Apple puts in their phones you could charge them 0-80% in 15 minutes with a good type C charger. Then there's bidirectional power delivery, so you could use your iPad to charge your phone or lend some of your power to a friend at the end of a long day.
Then there's alternate mode. Accessory manufacturers would have a field day making peripherals that could work across iOS and Android.
Of course then Apple wouldn't be able to extort licensing fees through the use of hardware DRM in the cables, and they aren't having any of that.
With non-expandable memory and music services like Spotify.. WTF, other than photos (Dropbox), are people transferring over cables. No one gives a fuck about that. And, the small percentage that do, aren't a large enough segment. That being said, I use Samsung with aftermarket battery and expanded memory.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:17:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would prefer just to keep the lightning. I don't really need any faster speeds right now for the phone, though I would guess if they end up making a type C on one end, the lighting cable is supposed to be good enough to carry a lot more data. I am more concerned how the cables hold up. USB is fine if you're not using it daily, but the cables tend to be crap and the fitting is like an after thought.
gellis12 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:18:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except they're not all adopting the same thing. Loads of android phones still use micro or even mini usb. It's pretty pointless if you still need an adapter to use your friends charger.
efects ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:35:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
no idea where you're getting your information from, but this is completely false. the entire world standard for charging mobile phones has been micro-usb for a few years now. in fact, outside of america, iphone's are packaged with a micro-usb adapter because it's law in some places (i believe). also, mini-usb hasn't been used since the early android phones before 2010
gellis12 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 02:49:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hell, there's even mixed connectors coming from a single manufacturer!
efects ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:54:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i was responding to the fact that you said
Loads of android phones still use micro or even mini usb
there are no current android phones in the last 6 years that have used mini-usb. you proved my point though, micro-usb has been the worldwide standard for years. we are just now moving to USB-C
gellis12 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:00:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
usb type C has all the benefits of the lightning connector
Except the strength. I can comfortably lift my phone horizontally by the lightning cable. If you tried that with a USB-C cable, it'd break.
The Lightning connector is a solid block of aluminium that slots into another solid block of aluminium. USB is bent sheet metal with a plastic tab in the middle.
No, actually USB C is very durable, I can also hold the phone horizontally with it with no bending. The rounded edges and thicker sheet of metal used make it less likely to deform
gellis12 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:10:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm still not a fan of the plastic tab in the middle of the port on the phone though. Makes it pretty much impossible to clean off the terminals if you ever need to.
You're absolutely right. I switched from an HTC One (M8) to a 6S, and I still use many other devices that charge with a micro USB (tablets and back up phones and the like). I go through micro USB cables like water. Didn't matter if I got high quality or cheapies, they all got wiggly and terrible so quickly. I've been using one lightning cable for a year without issues. That alone makes me really not want to switch to Android.
Supposedly type C is more stable but I still kind of doubt it will hold up as well.
Korbitr ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:46:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What are you doing with the cables to make them fall apart so quickly? I still have micro USB cables from 5 years ago...
Using the device while charging? I don't know. All I know is that my OEM HTC cables crapped out within a couple months, Amazon Basics cables lasted less than that, other expensive/official cables didn't fare any better, and the super cheap, crappy cables actually lasted almost as long.
Korbitr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:13:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you really rough with the cables or something? I use the stock Xiaomi micro USB cable at home and an AmazonBasics one in the car and neither one shows any sign of damage...
I have no idea. All I know is that the micro USBs wore out really fast under the same use as the lightning cables.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:14:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, this is my experience and the fitting on USB cables has always just been awful. The lighting connector has a nice snug fit that lasts years. If you're using a USB connector daily, it just falls apart.
pooch321 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:25:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've had my Nexus 6P since March and the port and charger are perfectly fine. Hasn't gotten any looser and the thick wire doesn't seem like it'll break anytime soon
grigby ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:36:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Different experience over here. Had an iPhone 5, the first with lightning. I owned four cables, each lasting about a year before the wire (Which had been exposed from wear after around 8 months) would stop working entirely. They all fell apart just below the cable head. And these were cables from the apple store.
Switched to an s7 in March, still same micro USB cable with no damage on it yet whatsoever. This might change once I get closer to the year mark, but even in my other devices I've never had a usb cable (of any type) break.
vibrate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My kid knocked the tv off his dresser once and it just broke the charger in the back of the roku stick. I didn't notice until bed time so I used my phone charger.
[deleted] ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 01:23:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One word: OLED.
It's so much more beautiful I cannot fathom how apple isn't at the forefront.
How is that any different from a 'Quad HD Super AMOLED' found on a Galaxy S7?
Besides, Apple calls every single one of their screens 'Retina' anyway, the only name difference between their normal screens and OLED screens is it's 'Retina Display' vs 'OLED Retina Display', they haven't "come up with a cool marketing term to trick users" considering it came around in bloody 2010.
The fact that you can't tell the difference is a perfect illustration of what I'm talking about. Quad HD amoled is the name of the technology by the people that make the screen. Retina display is a name apple put on a resolution. It's like the difference between stereo sound vs apple dumping "iSoundz" on a certain range of volume.
Lol, so Super is the equivalent of naming a resolution range? It's still the name of an actual product vs dumping a name on a resolution so Apple users think they're paying that much extra for something. I'm not under the impression that Apple is the only one that does it, they just the most brazen about it and their users suck it up the most readily. No one was going around asking for "super" screens.
It's like Apple's magical lcd display. You could buy the same monitor from dell for significantly cheaper. I'm talking same screen from the same manufacturer with the same components, just one had dell on it the other had apple. Guess which one tech reviewers jerked off over? It was entertaining watching them twist in the wind trying to explain why there were such different reviews for the same product. Similar to when someone actually tested the sound quality of the ipod and found it to be terrible.
It's the king's new wardrobe of the tech world and it's always hilarious. "Sell them the box" Steve Jobs said, and he was right. It doesn't matter what's actually in it or how it works, you sell that it will make you feel cool. What are you doing here defending apple anyways, shouldn't you be in line for the next Iphone? Your iWatch is looking a little warn down there too buddy. Time to get a new watch and new $100 watch band while you're at it. You're helpless to resist.
Lol, so Super is the equivalent of naming a resolution range? It's still the name of an actual product vs dumping a name on a resolution so Apple users think they're paying that much extra for something.
And the fact that when the first Retina display came out, it was considerably sharper than the next best phone (326PPI vs the HTC Evo 4G's 217PPI) and it wasn't until 2012 before most phones had caught up to the Retina Displays.
Totally ignoring the fact that 'Retina' is the brand name for a screen that uses HiDPI scaling, which, while it requires a higher resolution screen, also requires software support. Otherwise the MacBook Air would have a 'Retina' display as it has a larger resolution than the iPhone OG/3G/3GS, which it doesn't.
If you've ever use a rMBP on the standard settings (2560x1600 scaled to 1280x800p) vs a Zenbook UX305's 1800p screen, you'll find the all the text on the Zenbook's screen and all the UI elements much harder to read as the text is tiny. Windows 10 sorta solves the issue but Windows scaling is currently shotty at best and not much supports it.
For example, some screenshots from my uni MacBook;
You'll need a montior that supports 2560x1600 or above, but if you do, when you blow those images up to fit the screen, the one with the 'retina' HiDPI scaling is exactly like the 1280x800 screen but much sharper.
Same logic applies to the iPhone screen, as the iPhone 4's display was exactly twice the width and height of the iPhone 3GS with the same scaling applied to it.
I'm talking same screen from the same manufacturer with the same components, just one had dell on it the other had apple. Guess which one tech reviewers jerked off over?
Not entirely sure what you're trying to say, the Dell UltraSharp 27 Ultra HD 5K Monitor with PremierColor - UP2715K (Actual name) is actually $200 more expensive than a 5K iMac and it's just a monitor, while the iMac is a computer.
shouldn't you be in line for the next Iphone?
While it would be cool owning a phone that has a processor that shits over literally every mobile device, I'm on a two year contract.
Your iWatch is looking a little warn down there too buddy.
Not really, it's holding up fine, I only replaced my Pebble with it 3 months ago.
new $100 watch band while you're at it.
My $7 Chinese knockoff is in the mail as we speak.
Oh, and reference to your last comment, Apple's stereo speakers are advertised as 'Built-in stereo speaker'; shoutout to the HTC BoomSound.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:52:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:09:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's fine at 1440p imo.
gormster ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:35:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One word: failure.
The Apple Watch uses OLED, and it also has the highest failure rate of any screen that Apple makes. Apple's current policy is one dead pixel means a screen replacement, and since iPhone users are far more likely to get their phone repaired than Android users (because it's so much easier), that would mean a LOT of screen replacements.
OLED screens fail a lot faster, and for systems that use a lot of light elements (like iOS) they fail faster still. It's a decent fit for the watch because most of the screen is black most of the time. For iPhone and iPad, most of the screen is white most of the time, so it's a bad fit.
You shush your god damn dirty mouth! You've chosen to ascend to a godsent phone!; deal. With high efficiency curves and quantified aesthetics mother fucker. You don't even know! We know.. You dont need pleb clutter, non of that so called "specs". We continue to maximize our simplification of the simple and we simpalize THAT and minimize it. Treat it gently because its a fucking work of art and if you break it fuck your mother... Its 2016 fuck em all! -Apple
Coogah33 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:12:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Speakers are a step down from the previous versions mainly because they put the other speaker at the bottom of the phone, still loud just not AS loud as its predecessors.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:36:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bummer. I guess maybe I'd be willing to trade that for the rest of the phone being better, but it is really nice to have the front-facing speakers.
I had to call 3 tmobiles on the HTC 10 release day to find one that had any in Stock. None of them seemed to know it existed. Not even the one that had it.
quirk223 ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 23:31:03 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
While some of the features you mentioned are available in newer iPhones, what I have come to realize is that Apple is about 2 years behind in the smartphone market. So just be patient!
But it's limited to Apple pay. I use NFC to pair accessories, or when sharing stuff between my wife and my phone. I'm sure there are other uses as well (I know of like tiles you can get and set places like in your car, front door, desk at work, and when you scan over it, it changes settings on your phone).
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:39:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
doesn't airdrop require wifi? at least i think it did back when i had my iphone 5.
as long as NFC is turned on for the receiving device, you can just boop your phones together and share something. doesn't require bluetooth or any internet connectivity.
AirDop uses both BlueTooth (to establish a connection) and WiFi (to send the files) but doesn't require you to be connected to a WiFi network (It sends stuff using Apple's version of WiFi Direct) if that's what you're wondering.
You're not wrong. I had an older HTC and function/customization was so much easier and had more options. I wouldn't have switched if I had not gotten a very good deal on a brand new phone.
They've always been 2 years behind. But, Steve Jobs was great at marketing.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:27:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except that none of them are. That's why he listed them.
vibrate ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:04:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My HTC was shit. The Nexus 6 is a far better device, HTC have their shitty proprietary 'Sense' OS layer which is just awful and buggy.
Apple win with the OS layer - iOS is MUCH faster than a similarly specced Android device and the API is much more powerful and flexible. This is just a fact.
The speed surprised the hell out of me. Comparing specs I was expecting a much slower phone but that was not the case.
Also, just get ride of sense! I think you can do that, right?
vibrate ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:20:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You have to root and install a ROM which invariably stops being updated as soon as a new HTC phone is released. My ROM crashed a lot, some features didnt work, and eventually it started to overheat :(
I was so glad to get rid of that phone and go pure Android with my Nexus.
I'd move back to iOS happily - both are great OS's and I have zero interest in rooting my phone as I don't see any benefits if you don't want to install a different ROM.
MarzMan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:41:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You forgot replaceable batteries, expanded battery packs
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:05:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I never understood why Iphone users like being on such a restricted platform.
Had two HTCs (m7 and m8?) and they were both great. Everything started to fall apart after that, though, and I have been skeptical since. The M9s looked ok, but nothing has been great enough to draw me back in.
I'm super cheap. Stupid, really, considering how much I use my phone.
Inductive charging (also known as wireless charging) uses an electromagnetic field to transfer energy between two objects. This is usually done with a charging station. Energy is sent through an inductive coupling to an electrical device, which can then use that energy to charge batteries or run the device.
What htc did you have? I have the m9 and it's gotten to the point where it's just starting to shit itself. Maybe cause it's suffered a cutla drops but my friends have had problems too
Still have mine. HTC One m8 that I bought 2.5 years ago. Still going strong. No plans to upgrade any time soon, unlike every previous smartphone I had. So confident of this that I bought two new cases for it (one Dot-View and one really nice leather one) recently (for $6 total, shipped free from Hong Kong, because a 2.5-year old phone has accessories that the accessory vendors really want to get rid of).
I still have mine as well but its a little laggy these days.... No idea why. Def not all the GBA roms I played on it or the custom changes or... well, maybe it is.
Australia right now is getting butthurt over banks refusing to play nice with Apple over Apple Pay. "Give us a choice!" They are screaming.
Meanwhile, I've been using tap to pay with the same bank for close to two years, built right into their official app, even gives me my exact balance in the tap to pay screen. Granted, I need to enter a 4 digit pin instead of just vaguely waving my phone in the right direction without thinking, but it adds what, five seconds to the equation?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:53:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If it helps I miss my battery cover on my s7
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:58:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In all honesty I used to hate Apple stuff, fucking love being able to customize my stuff. I switched over to Apple stuff when I started getting more devices. Laptops, desktops, tablets, phones, even fucking watches now, and pretty much the syncing globally requires typing in my email and password when I buy something new. Believe me I'm familiar with the abilities of Android and/or Windows devices, but no other single company has as much of a unified technological scheme as Apple, it's just a pain to have to deal with every company updating things separately and constantly breaking compatibility. I don't want to update my HTC watch using Android software so it no longer connects to my Microsoft phone using Windows software which no longer connects to my Linux machine running the Dell hardware's version.
I'll spend some more money to stick to one company and make that money back in the time I don't spend debugging.
The HTC 10 is awesome and is on-sale for $599 till the 15th. Unlocked and in some new colors. I'm going to get one near the holidays once I have money saved up.
Have you tried adding custom sounds to an iPhone? You have to jailbreak it to actually change all of them and doing it for free is annoying. My old HTC could handle all of it on phone.
I don't really care about what my phone ringtone sounds like. I personally think Apple did a great job on how the phone sounds. Also, I'm using Windows Phone now. So, not really a fan boy...
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:16:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
On paper android seems a lot better in terms of the features you listed, but I've switched over twice now in the past 3 years and both times I've had to switch back because the OS just goes to shit very quickly. I really wanna love android but I just can't because the software is so clunky
In Apple's defense, you can get a 256 gb phone, it has had NFC since 2015, wireless charging has caused many problems, including a recall, and some people don't care about being able to customize
HLef ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:26:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Windows Phone has all that but nobody ever mentions it.
It's not exactly a joke, as a windows phone user, I feel like I miss out on a lot because I can't use snapchat, I couldn't play pokemon go, etc. And even if an app is available, there's pretty much a 50% chance that it actually works correctly.
HLef ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:53:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
HTC, Nokia, Samsung and various others make phones that run Windows.
I had two of them over the span of 3 years leading up to the launch of the iPhone 6 and it has a lot of good stuff going for it. Unfortunately, even though I'm not a heavy app user, the lack of developer support eventually got the best of me.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:54:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel the big difference between iOS and android, is you get a finished, polished, intuitive OS with Apple. Whereas android is just finished. For example, there is lag where there shouldn't be (such as searching contacts from memory - that short delay makes it painful for me to use).
Basically in everything you listed I see negatives. Expanded memory slots likely affect the sign of the phone and other components. Wireless charging, you still need to place it on a charger. Not worth it imo. Customisation, awesome if you're a really good designer with coding abilities, stupid if you're not. There are some pretty horrible looking themes out there.
I prefer an OS that is locked down like iOS.
I'm basing this on my experience of using a nexus 5 on lollipop for 12 months.
I can sense the down votes pouring in already haha.
I feel you on a lot of that. I know some of the customization can be quite daunting, I'm not amazing at that stuff by any means. I just wish apple wouldn't do their best to lock that stuff away from us.
Also its really been pissing me off my custom ringtones randomly don't work until I restart my phone three times.... Especially when the few I bought seem to be the worst offenders.
m13b ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:44:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
God damn Apple fanboys. Think they're so special with their capable SoCs, software updates and fast storage!
I think phone envy hits both sides pretty equally ;_;
They both could take lessons from the other. Except then I guess they would sue each other. Sighhhhh
g0atmeal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:51:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The sad thing is, all those features sound like you're describing Android. In truth, they should describe all phones/devices. It baffles me that Apple can continue to sell such under-powered and massively over-priced hardware and succeed.
Look on a store page or watch the reveal and they won't list hardly any specs. For the most part, people that buy Apple products don't tend to care about the device's resolution, chip, battery, OS, etc. They just accept the notion that apple products are somehow inherently better and use that for judgment. That $800 iPhone you just bought has poorer specs than the $500 competitor.
That was my joke, I used to have an Android with all that and I sure wish my iPhone did. I would not have gotten one if I had not received an insane deal. Then again, I wish my HTC had been as stable as my iPhone has been.
people that buy Apple products don't tend to care about the device's resolution, chip, battery, OS
I was with you until OS. People buy Apple products because of the OS. iOS has a reputation since the very first iPhone basically shat on the competition. It's also pretty user-friendly and basically perfect for vanilla users.
Also the average consumer doesn't care about the chip or resolution. And battery life is an afterthought since most smartphones are in the same general range and since mileage varies based on SO many factors, it's hardly a selling point.
In general things like expandable memory, NFC, etc sound good in theory but the layman doesn't use those things. Most people just want a shiny phone that works out of the box and "looks pretty." Apple has got that down to a science.
pinkpooj ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:06:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My favorite Android features are when they catch on fire or I get hacked and my identity is stolen because I no longer get software updates after 8 months.
Hey iphones have nfc too... they just can't use it for anything. But they have it!
ICEMAN13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:30:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've had, androids for years and honestly when it comes to the everyday functions of a smart phone iPhone beats Android. My droid freezes everyday for the smallest shit that never happens with iPhones. Droids are more customizable and should be better, but iOS is more stable and efficient.
vibrate ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:07:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
iOS is still way ahead of Android, especially for dev tools and API.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your "droid" eh? No. My last 4 Android devices froze 0% of the time. Meanwhile, my iPhone 6 had broken wifi out if the box. Guess that means all Apple devices are inferior right? No, of course it doesn't.
I like my iPhone too, there is a lot to be said about some of the things Apple has done for uniting computers, phones, and tablets, as well as many other things. At the same time, there are a lot of things they do that makes sense from some perspectives and not others.
I like my iPhone, I liked my HTC. They both had strengths and weaknesses.
swizzy12 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 01:02:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But... Their circle jerk!
4609203 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:44:02 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can't fix what isn't broken
VulturE ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:59:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And it's sad that HTC was your best experience with Android.
Literally any other major Android phone maker makes a better, less locked down phone.
Why do you say that? I could do all sorts of things with my phone and it held up longer than my buddy's Samsung. Guy I know with a Motorola never really jacked with his, though.
VulturE ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:33:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Samsungs have gone downhill in that regard since the S3. The S6 is a sad, sad device when compared to a Nexus 6P.
S3 = good solid phone for its time
S4 = same phone but larger screen, new OS and faster
S5 = nearly the same thing as the S4 but a better camera and IS, but lets add micro USB3 to be edgy.
S6 = missed the boat on reversible USB to try and sell you a VR headset addon, and added a really bad implementation of fingerprint detection
S7 = lets backpedal as fast as we can and do reversible USB (oh wait NOPE lets continue to sell older technology) and add more software features. Oh, and everyone is waterproof so we must follow the leader and do this as well. We've officially doubled down on selling this USB 2 VR headset.
Basically, there were too many generations of HTC devices that were fully locked and had no chance for customization. Yes, the latest models aren't like that, but even the latest models don't really have noteworthy specs. The new 10? It's the same damn thing as the 6P, but with more software-based features. Sorry, I know better than to trust that after dealing with Samsung for the last 3 phones - it's a slippery slope.
It makes so much more sense to get stock Android on a Nexus without Verizon or anyone's bullshit added to the phone and to get the real android experience. Or a Sony. They seem to get it too.
I feel like that would suck for your phones battery to be charging, not charging, charging, not charging over and over again though right? And isn't that puck like rounded and glossy? I just imagine it spinning around and slipping off all the time.
There are about 30 apps I cannot delete off my phone. Pretty sure you have more, but JFC. 30 apps on an unlocked phone? I'm just gonna DL all the Google apps that do the same thing. Just, you know. Better.
There are only three that are useless, that is. Clock, Notes, and Calendar aren't exactly bloatware just because they are default and can't be deleted. The shit on my fucking Samsung was really bad bloatware. Like subscription services and games and shit that I would never use in a million years.
I consider things I would never fucking use as bloatware. Keynote, Pages, Numbers, iMovies, News, iTunes u, Stocks, iBooks, GarageBand, Tips, Voice Memos, Watch...
And most of all, Find Friends. I DON"T HAVE ANY, FUCK OFF!
You can't delete Keynote, Pages, Numbers, and iMovie? I don't have any of those on my iPhone. But yeah, fuck Find Friends, Tips, and Game Center. I use the other ones you mentioned, though. Especially Voice Memos.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:31:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget our garbage level batteries that only last for a few hours of constant use.
Wait Apple or Android? I generally have great luck with phone batteries but my SO (apple addict) drains them like no one's business.
agk23 ยท 243 points ยท Posted at 01:39:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But guys, it comes with an adapter!
Elevenst ยท 143 points ยท Posted at 01:47:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A 6 pack of adapters might be better justified. Those little fuckers are going to be lost everywhere.
mcdswimr ยท 67 points ยท Posted at 03:24:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You wanna talk about lost, how about them Air Pods? All it takes is for one of them to get lost and you're out $160...
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:00:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Gonna be a nice $200 dent for us Canadians. Insanity.
I'm hoping this means we'll get cheaper and higher quality Bluetooth earbuds now though, put the pressure on the more off-brand but good quality manufacturers to crank them out, I've so far only found one pair that's affordable and has decent audio quality. $30 QCYs. Audio quality still wasn't superb, but good enough for my uses (far better than any other <$100 pair I've tried) and having to charge every 2 or 3 days was still annoying, so even if we go in this direction I can't say I'm looking forward to it.
I have a LG earbuds, the neckless type and I got to say I love it. Sound quality is good, they are comfy and battery last for days. Oh and they are like 70$ in bestbuy.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:42:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Fnhatic ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:59:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or a cat at home.
Or a toddler. But on the plus side after your child eats one, there's that sweet Apple settlement cash.
Well, $80, but I doubt they will sell single replacements. XD
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:45:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously its a wonder I dont already lose my cheap earplugs but those things would be the death of my wallet.
5MoK3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:15:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's why you buy there insurance package for an extra $50 on your bill each month. Then you have to send your old ones in, and they'll mail you a new set. In 5-8 weeks though
joelly88 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:30:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"courage adapter included"
hanoian ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:01:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd put all my money on the 7S or 8 not coming with one though.
Reali5t ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:37:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They are going to make a killing on those adapters. People will constantly lose them and cheap 3rd party ones won't work in the Lightning ports.
AirBacon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:58:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'll need several. I don't want to keep one in my pocket all the time so I'll need at least one at home, one in my car and another one at work.
Skoull ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:16:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I seriously saw someone arguing earlier that if your car didn't have Bluetooth you could simply just UPGRADE THE ENTIRE HEAD UNIT TO ONE WITH APPLE CARPLAY like sure who doesn't have a good $100-200 to blow on an entirely new head unit just because their phone didn't come with a 3.5 mm jack. Ridiculous excuses.
lqupro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:28:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's so weird that it comes with an adaptor. It's like 'Hey, we made this great decision that we want everyone to get on board with, but we know everyone's gonna hate it, so here's a solution to it :)'
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 02:59:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you serious? Stereo has been there forever. You would prefer to have tinny, shitty, stereo audio from your phone speakers over plugging them into a sound system?
Apple has so much damn money that they're just spinning the bottle on random stupid shit to add subtract to from new products to give em something to do
FTFTFYFY
FowD9 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 02:58:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apple has so much damn money that they're just spinning the bottle on random stupid shit to add subtract to from new products to give em something to do likes to scam their fanboys
Apple is a public company and public company isn't going to piss away billions of dollars and soil their brand just because they are bored. They are gonna do it while attempting to generate revenue and gain market share.
If apple would have moved to USB C or included the wireless AirPods with the phone I would defend the decision. But no they included lightning headphones and a shifty adapter. I think that apple not supporting flash on their devices was the best thing that happened to the internet even though it was regarded as a bad decision. Apple could have done another big shift in the way people use headphone if only they included wireless ones.
That doesn't even make sense considering earpods have come free with iPhones.
Arjunnn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:23:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, when you gotta sell a kidney for the iPhone, atleast they're nice enough to throw earphones in there
Nurgle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:27:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, except their chips beat the shit out of Qualcomm's crap. That said I'm probably going to switch over since I need a new phone, not new headphones.
I'm not arguing that Apple doesn't make high quality hardware, I'm arguing that the stuff they sell is impractical and overpriced, the former being due to the fact that so much of their shit is proprietary.
I just realized that you can't charge it and listen to music at the same time. Now I can't jerk off quietly in my cramped bathroom when my phone starts to die. I won't risk my phone dying first...
am0x ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:49:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eh...Wireless headphones are going to be the norm on phones in 2-4 years. It is already that way where I work (50k+ employees).
Where do you work where 50,000 people wear cellphone headphones all day? Wireless telecom headsets yes, and most of those sound like shit. Wireless headphones can be really great, (I have some jaybirds and love them) but as long as you can pick up decent sony ear buds for like 15 bucks, and most wireless are 50+ they're not becoming the norm.
am0x ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:39:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My building is full of engineers, developers, medical coders, and essentially data entry people. Huge building, other than developers and engineers, mostly lower to mid income. They have the ones that go around the neck. I think i saw them at target for like $20. Mine are jaybirds and a few other devs have planktonic, Bose, and audiotechnicas.
Antrikshy ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 03:58:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think that's more Samsung.
Apple is influential. They more often than not stick with their decisions, even if criticized, and often other companies follow. See: No more disc drives in laptops, fingerprint readers on smartphones, gold and rose gold color options, USB-C exclusive laptops, touchscreen smartphones for everyday consumers...
Unless there's a better way to attach a square reader to an iPhone, this is going to push my apple fan wife to get an android for her next phone. (yes, yeees, come to the dark side, my dear!)
The main reason I switched is because I wanted to keep my phone for more than 2 damn years. I'd eventually start getting messages on almost all apps saying that my operating system wasn't compatible with the app. Same thing happened when I had a macbook.
JJagaimo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:20:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Havent done much with ios, but it's likely due to the app using the sdk for a newer version of ios that has features the previous didn't, thus raising the minimum ios version, even if the app does not in any way utilize those functions, meaning the minimum version vould be lowered. There is also, however, the problem of certain functions that could be literally impossible or incredibly difficult to implement that are available in newer ios versions or bugs/performance issues on older ios versions. Other times it can be attribited to developer laziness or libraries (why write code that does this when I can use a built in function in a later ios version).
I have a 6+ and I'm running ios10 beta, I know betas are supposed to be buggy and it has to some extent but my phone is also a fuck of a lot slower. It takes about twice as long to open up a new app or switch between apps.
Oh, whoops. This is a pretty great example of poe's law, anyways.
Brobeans_ ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:54:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wooooooooooooooooooosh
Rocto ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:47:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I still have an iPad 2 (from 6 years ago) on ios 6-7 (can't remember) and an iPhone 4 at ios 7-8. Both still work great.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 01:46:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've had the same 5s for what seems like years. Despite what all the circle jerking would leave you to believe I've never witnessed any performance issues with updates, it's just as great as the day I bought it, which I couldn't say about the galaxy I had for a year beforehand.
grigby ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:06:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'll add my own anecdotal evidence. My iPhone 5 got super slow after ios 9. Like really slow. Two seconds or more to get to the home screen from the messages app slow. 9.1 made it a tiny bit better but nowhere near as good as it was in 8.x. After getting 9.2 with another slowdown I refused to update it because I didn't trust them anymore. I have an s7 now and the few updates I've had haven't changed much. Time will tell what happens to it.
Crimson5 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:50:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a iPhone 5s(was at least) and iPad mini 2 owner I can tell you the move from iOS 7 to 8 wasn't too bad at all. But fucking iOS 9 killed it, I can't imagine what 10 would do (if it's even supported I didn't check).
I ended up selling the 5s since I can't have two webpages open without one of them refreshing. Bought an S6, great phone with custom rom.
Apple updates not only kill performance but they lock you into it, at least on Android I can flash new or old roms on at any time.
squalore ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:49:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
iPhone 5s
Mine worked great on IOS 9.
Crimson5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:40:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well mine became terrible at multitasking, I don't even use my iPad mini 2 anymore because it will crash randomly when all I'm doing is watching a video through safari.
Frankly both these devices have become unusable for me.
But on the other side of the coin my mother loves her iPad mini 2, some people can tolerate all the lag and instability.
I have a bike i could sell you with only one wheel, but it's for your convenience. Having only one wheel also makes it lighter and all you need to learn is how to use it (balance on the one that's still there).
Not my fault if you decide to use it wrong and want a second wheel though.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:07:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They also actually give regular updates to phones which is more than I can say for the vast majority of non-top-tier Android phones. Even some of the top-tier phones get screwed if you saddled with a bad carrier.
Say what you want about Apple, but them telling the carriers to screw off when it came to OS updates was the smartest thing they could have ever done, and something Google still desperately needs to do.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:09:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fair enough... but i will take sporadic unnecessary upgrades over loss of control over the device i own any day. I can copy any file i want to my phone anytime i want from any device. Then i can view/playback/listen to that file freely as well. Fuck itunes.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:22:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
After not being able to get like 5 podcasts onto my phone because of fucking iTunes, fuck iTunes.
nmaxcom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:08:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's never an overstatement. Fuck fucking iTunes!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:06:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. Itunes is the sole reason I went to Android.
jrpjesus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:32:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Which files can I not listen to on an IPhone? I've never used iTunes on mine btw.
I think everyone else is being sarcastic about updates gimping old hardware (I think there was just a lawsuit about that but I'm too lazy to check my facts) but you're absolutely correct about the updates.
Even among the top tier phones, Google phones are the only ones that actually get updates when they're released. Any other kind of phone and you're stuck waiting months or years before getting that essential security update.
amolin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:02:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, but you just don't get it. That's Androids solution to prevent phones from slowing down. Apple just lacks the courage to stop supporting their customers. Just look at how brave Sony is!
GV18 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:31:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yup, my last android phone was a Sony, and they stopped updating it regularly within a year, and they released the newest version of Android about 18 months after it came out. My iPhone is almost 3 years old now, and it's still getting regular updates.
I mean, so is Google. Samsung, Sony, HTC, etc, run their own versions of Android that need to be updated separately after the newest version of stock Android is released. Nexus phones, which run stock Android, stay up to date for as long the phone is in service, and run comparably well to iPhones of similar status (at least in my experience). So many people get tired of Android due to their relatively brief lifespans, yet opt away from Nexus devices which receive updates for as long as Apple devices.
lesleh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:56:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're wrong, even Nexus phones only get updates for 2 years. iPhone seems to have been getting 4 years of updates. Case in point, the iPhone 4S came out in 2011 and runs iOS 9.
Case in point, Nexus 5 released in 2013 running Marshmallow. Pretty sure it's been more than 2 years.
lesleh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:52:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Do you have an example of a 4 year old Nexus phone getting updated?
Marshmallow was released in 2015 so that would be 2 years. Is it going to get updated to Nougat? Googles official policy is:
Nexus devices will continue to receive major updates for at least two years and security patches for the longer of three years from initial availability or 18 months from last sale of the device via the Google Store.
I have a six plus that I bought two years ago, this thing still runs as fast as the day I got it, and I still get through a day on one single charge easily.
monarc ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 06:54:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The fact that a device working properly for two years is a braggable event says so much about how fucked the whole situation is. I used a razr brick that lasted a decade before I finally upgraded to an iphone 5. I hope to god I can find a way to make this thing last because the 6 is too big and the 7...
Just don't update your software, or downgrade if when you update you find that your phone is slow. As long as the previous firmware is still being signed, you'd be fine
squalore ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:49:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
re, or downgrade if when you update you find that your phone is slow. As long as the previous firmware is still being
Unless it's some huge major flaw, I don't think it's thaaat important. Lots of older android phones running on anything but the latest version are doing fine. If there is an update that fixes a big flaw in the OS, then chances are that a jailbreak developer would make a patch for it made for lower iOS versions.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:49:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fo real, just upgraded after three years with the 5 to the 5se. This thing is amazing. Soo much faster with twice the ram.
no1dead ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:43:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah it's because you need to wipe your phone. If you don't fresh start at every 2-3 iOS updates. Your phone will slow the fuck down.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:10:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know you're joking but really any iPhone up to 2-3yrs old handles the new OS very well.
The days of a new release crippling an older phone are pretty much gone.
My 5s runs ios9 better than it handled 8. Not sure 10 will be the same but as they've focuses on refining over the last few years I don't see any reason why it wouldn't.
And really if a 3yr old phone is working well with a new release that's actually pretty impressive.
I'm convinced that the OS upgrades are killing the iPhones. It's virtually impossible to add functionality with millions of lines of code, without impacting performance. Any programmer worth his weight in shit will tell you... Once you add another layer of an API on top of another layer... it reduces performance more exponentially thant linearly.
Never had one problem with my 6+. It does all I need it to.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:01:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Good maybe if they release a model without any strong consumer base support they will learn to stop trying to feed a cock meat sandwich to their market!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:55:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have a 4s. I will upgrade to,the 5s after the seven comes out. In two years I will upgrade to the 6 or see what happening in 2-4 years
I mean, the last few haven't been that different from each other. Why not upgrade for free if you get a bigger screen, better camera etc? This one, however, I will never upgrade to
My roommate has 5 plus with a shattered screen, chips of glass are off exposing the whole top where the proximity sensors are, the digitizer doesn't even work.
He's kept it in this condition for over a year... Refuses to just fucking buy anything else despite having the money to.
One can only describe that much affection / obsession as mental illness
Elronnd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:16:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It will suck to not have the swiper interchangeable across phones, since some times her phone's battery dies and we have to sub in my android. Be that as it may, I think she will be fairly resistant to buying a new swiper any time soon after being forced to upgrade to a chip reading "swiper" so recently.
Tell ya what, I will donate my $9 square reader to you and that way you won't even have to go through the hassle of unplugging it, you can just leave that in your android!
The thing about that is I know of so many local businesses hat use an iPad with a square as a cash register. Unless they make a square that can also charge the device that could be a problem.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:12:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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myerrrs ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:30:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Aren't square readers still free? Honestly asking.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:55:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So your phone is dying and you have a long line of customers who need to pay...probably better off with a Bluetooth square and all the security nightmares that entails.
IggyJR ยท 98 points ยท Posted at 23:29:13 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
(yes, yeees, come to the dark side, my dear!)
I think you have things backwards. Your wife might be Kylo Ren.
[deleted] ยท 194 points ยท Posted at 01:34:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All iPhone 7 models come with a lightning to 3.5mm adaptor you can still attach your reader and those with wired headphones can still attach. Not saying it's the best thing out there.
venounan ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 01:29:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I think that would be huge pain to use to swipe cards.
Fnhatic ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 01:55:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just picture trying to run a card through this three inch long penis of six attachments plugged into each other like this abomination, and its waggling all over the place, and then it suddenly loses connection because the leverage breaks the tiny solder beads on the internal jack. And now you can't charge your phone.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:59:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All of those attachments can't make Sonic fun
narf3684 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:07:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
True. A square reader that uses a lightning port might be easier than 3.5mm though. Although you are now limited to iPhones for it. I'm sure that's part of the switch, though.
venounan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:48:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah it'd definitely force square and paypal to come out with new readers that plug into the lightning ports now.
Or they could decide not to, so they can keep their standardization on literally 99% of all devices and not bother making a new adapter because Apple are being assholes.
Aren't Square readers usually free of cost? I would like to bet they will have a standard 3.5mm reader for free or pay like $5 for a lightning one. Apple is happy because people will continue to buy iPhones without worrying about Square functionality. Square makes bank off of a $5 "iPhone exclusive" reader which literally costs them nothing to make. Apple iPhone users happily pay an extra $5 for an upgraded Square reader because they are used to overpaying for little things like this and $5 is barely anything in the long run and they get to keep their platform of choice. Everyone wins.
They have the EMV reader which is a recommended, almost mandatory, upgrade because as of October 2015, vendors who use mag stripe readers are liable for fraud charges and can no longer have the bank bail them out.
What's interesting is that the place where most credit card fraud happens is the pay at the pump card readers. I haven't seen one EMV reader yet at the pump and would be a hassle to pay after since the habit if pre-auth before you pump is the status quo.
I guess the other option is that you could set a pre-auth amount before you pump then pay then pump. Then people would be pissed because the Quik Tip held $50 for 3 days.
venounan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:19:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm that's really interesting about the fraud protection. I know I have some cards that are neither chipped, nor have NFC so a mag strip is my only option to use them. If I were a business owner who did all my transactions through square, I'd have to either not upgrade my phone, or invest in tablets or some other method of ensuring i could take payments from as many customers as possible.
[deleted] ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 01:31:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How can you charge your device while doing checkouts?
Fnhatic ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:53:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Cool so now your phone has a giant three inch clit hanging off of the dangerously fragile port, the ONLY thing you can use to charge your phone because Apple has yet to invent induction charging.
More batteries... Everything with a radio needs batteries
So now your square reader has a charger and your headphones have a charger and they both die rather quickly which leaves you fucked if you can't charge mid day or out selling things
Oh oh but you say you can just get a battery backup... Well isn't that nice, more shit to obtain the same functionality that used to be free. Very good reasoning
That's really more a problem with having to move to chip cards than anything. There is no chip card reader that plugs into the headphone jack. Maybe there is a plug in version? I'm not sure.
It comes with the connector to hook up a 3.5mm headphone via lightning cable, and presumably the Square reader
akiva23 ยท 56 points ยท Posted at 00:50:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's about as awesome as when camera phones used to come with the cameras separate and you'd have to connect them to the bottom. Actually i think i just found a way for them to save more space on the phone.
"The best iSight ever: iSight Fusion". I can see it already.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:42:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
With its Al-you-miny-um plate, you'll be sure its the most purposefully revolutionary useless feature yet!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:38:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Inb4 new iPhone will be a piece of paper that sticks to an adroid. It would be the thinnest iPhone ever created and have all if not more functionality.
She has a chip reader square, and says it only uses the headphone jack, no Bluetooth. She bought it when they first said you would be liable if you don't have a chip reader version.
Apple. Destroying small businesses one hole at a time.
Vlyn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:11:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Take a look at OnePlus when you're at it. High-end hardware for cheap (The latest one costs 400โฌ here while comparable phones from other manufacturers cost around 600โฌ+ for the same parts. iPhones actually have worse hardware in some cases..).
I still have my OnePlus 1 and it's running great (The battery also lasts at least a full day, usually two) :)
Your wife should be using Square's contactless & chip reader anyways. Every card I have has already been replaced with a chip, most people should be by now as well.
3ldude ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:45:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
there is a converter that comes free with the phone.
By not giving users an analog output as an option and keeping the signal chain digital, you can start to enforce copy protection on audio like what is already done with HDMI (HDCP) and disallowing analog output on protected content unless it is degraded to a much lower but acceptable (to the content owner) quality.
[deleted] ยท 426 points ยท Posted at 01:38:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dystopia. But i get what you're saying and i agree.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:55:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's still going in the other direction too. Technology companies are historically the greatest enemy of copyright owners, I don't see that changing anytime soon.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:17:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
True but their being punished more severely and frequently than ever today as well it would seem.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:54:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well I'm just a lay person but this year I have seen torrent sites actually shut down and the owners arrested (kickass torrents I think by the Feds). Companies have been able to force internet providers to cease providing service to people they have reason to believe are torrenting. With Microsoft 10 being creepy on my and the state of the surveillance gride it's hard to know how safe any of your information is.
Honestly you're right. I've never heard of anyone ripping an MP3 from their phone's audio port, but damn if Apple isn't going to prevent it from happening.
iboiloil ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:23:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
tehlaser ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:06:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They could do all of that even with a jack.
The fear seems to be that Apple wants to make it a bit harder to sneak audio out the jack and right back into some other recording device. I have a hard time imagining what they would expect to accomplish by that. Moving the analog hole from the jack to the speaker terminals isn't going to end piracy or anything.
kbotc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:43:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They provide an audio jack in the box.
yeezul ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:31:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh no don't be silly, you'll be allowed to listen to all your content like always there will only be a small surcharge on your bill at the end of the month that's all.
Nicnl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:46:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That wouldn't be on the hardware side but the on the software.
All operating systems can potentially turn off the audio output based on conditions, with or without a digital audio output.
It seems like regulation has caught up to the wild west days of the Internet.
CSGOWasp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:07:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
okay cool now im really not going to buy your phone, ever. I'm doubly not buying it!
Wacefus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:16:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honest question, if you are using software to play the music, what stops the company from making the software not play the file? i mean, isn't the worry that the software will "figure out" it's a copyrighted file or whatever? How does a 3.5 mm jack stop this now?
Anything that appears on the screen of an apple device, unless it is coming through your web browser, has already been filtered through and approved by Apple's money grubbing mitts. I don't know why they wouldn't want to extend that grip to whatever plays through the audio channel.
Sony already does this on the ps3 and ps4 called ciniva. It detects a sound that must match to a disc / whatever key to actually be played. I cant play Hotel Transylvania without the sound being turned off even when I have a legal copy in the optical bay.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:17:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know that's not realistic
It is absolutely realistic. And entirely possible.
eleqtriq ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:20:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They could stop you from listening to "detected" music without making any hardware changes. That would all be done on the phone. So since they're not doing that already, I'm thinking we're safe.
They said digital content control as in being able to stop, pause, rewind, skip, etc. from buttons on a lightning device. They were just going over the fact that they can replace the single function headphone jack with a multi-function one.
Headphones can't play digital signals and any music you hear is analog. From a signals perspective this isn't any different than what was done before and if they wanted to implement copy protection on a normal headphone jack they can.
A DAC exists in both cases as music is stored digitally and has to be converted to an analog signal before playing on headphones. The signal still has to be analog at the headphone jack on the lightning adapter, which is no different than before at the headphone jack on any other phone.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:31:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Yes, but there is no difference between the lightning to headphone adapter and a headphone jack. If Apple wanted to add copyright they wouldn't have to remove the headphone jack to do it.
For now. I think their point was more "where is this headed"? For example straight from the horse's mouth:
But Apple also believes that the conventional headphone jack has become a bottleneck to improvements in audio quality and headphone design. At Wednesdayโs event, Appleโs Phil Schiller argued that removing the headphone jack was an act of "courage" on Appleโs part. The shift to the Lightning connector will shift audio circuitry from the iPhone into the headphones themselves, creating the opportunity for third parties to experiment with new features and designs. (Vox)
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 02:41:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
HDMI is digital-in, digital-out. There is no DAC involved directly. If audio is being passed through with the video signal, it is converted to analog by the DAC on the device receiving the signal, where it outputs an analog signal to whatever audio device is connected.
That is correct. There is also nothing that could prevent a handshake arrangement like the HDCP that I mentioned. In HDCP, every device on the chain has to be compliant.
They could have done that without removing the headphone jack.
The only thing that removing the headphone jack does is makes it more inconvenient to use standard headphones, which Apple hopes pushes more users to more expensive Bluetooth headphones that they make.
As well it adds another product that Apple can sell (the adapter).
The music industry hasn't even bothered with any form of copy protection and/or DRM since the whole Sony rootkit thing happened, so I doubt they would do that shit. Besides, iTunes has been selling DRM-free music since 2009.
AAC takes up too much space in my opinion. My rule of thumb is that whenever possible, I try to get my music as V0 MP3s. It's basically 320kbps MP3s, only that it's variable-bitrate, and therefore takes less space then 320kbps MP3s. Sounds great and takes up little space. If I get the music as 320kbps MP3s, I use a program called winmp3packer to "convert" those to variable-bitrate. It doesn't reencode the file, rather it takes out the unnecessary bits to make them variable-bitrate. Therefore the file sounds just as good the source MP3.
Which is still lossy format so we still lose. Go lossless or go home.
seedzero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:52:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's lossy, but most people fail to identify the difference when doing a double blind listening test between decent bitrate MP3s / AAC and lossless files. You might be able to tell the difference, but the majority cannot.
Then buy it elsewhere ... 7digital, junodownload, the devil (sorry, I meant beatport), digitaltunes ... loads of stores that sell drm free lossless music.
HDCP is pretty crazy, I experienced it for the first time last week at work (I'm an ITV operator for my college), when the class I was recording tried to watch a sitcom on Amazon the whole screen went green. After freaking out and asking my manager what was happening, he explained it pretty much as our cameras in the classroom being able to detect copyrighted material and block it from being shown at our college on the air.
I never knew about HDCP until that incident and it kinda freaked me out that some companies are going through that much trouble to protect their shit from being shown.
r34p3rex ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:44:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
HDCP can be defeated with an HD Fury box
JViz ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 01:54:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wasn't Apple the first legitimate pioneer of DRM free music streaming? Isn't iTunes still DRM free?
Apple being an pioneer of DRM-free music? Yes. Is iTunes still DRM-free? Yes and no. Music is DRM-free, however Movies/TV Shows, Apps, and music off Apple Music is DRM'd.
JViz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:24:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What's to stop me from taking apart my speakers and connecting the driver input to an ADC?
shokalion ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 01:40:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This should be higher up. I can't see it being long before you have to have certified this that or the other before you're allowed to play stuff, and bog standard downloaded-from-anywhere Mp3's won't make the cut.
Korhaka ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:07:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What about downloaded from anywhere .ogg then? ... I really should start paying for stuff someday.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Would it then be plausible to say they could control what content is played on what device i.e. $0.99 lets you play buy and play a song in your wireless earbuds, but if it's going to an open air speaker where others can listen it's $2.99?
Sure, they could, but they could have also done that without removing the headphone jack. The OS already knows whether or not the music is playing over Bluetooth, the headphone jack or the speaker.
TheKrs1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:56:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They already had strict control on the audio chip controlling the analog port. What's the major difference here?
In HD television content there is a handshake that goes on between each device from the source to the final endpoint (TV). Any device in the chain has to carry the copy protection or else it does not output. This is to protect the owners of the content from having the digital content being losslessly copied. (Honestly, I have no problems with this as the content creators / rights owners are entitled to not having their stuff ripped off).
The point I was trying to make was that in theory it would be possible to require having that handshake occur or otherwise output a downgraded quality signal.
MrDyl4n ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:14:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So all in all it just gives Apple more control of how the audio is sent through the device?
So, as per usual with theese things, people who have bought their audio files with baked in protection might run into problems, while people who illegaly downloaded drm free ripped files are good to go?
Oh that HDMI crap boils my blood. I rented a movie on itunes and then couldn't watch it because my projector didn't have whatever copy protection protocol.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:54:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
And FYI music still gets converted to audio when it goes to earbuds. That's how the technology of audio equipment works.
OK and? That's after the source of the signal, which comes out either an analog jack, or a digital jack. The difference being, the digital jack can be DRM'd. Meaning Apple could decide to only allow the phone to connect to 'Apple approved devices' through this jack.
I mean, if you really wanted to get tin foiley, Apple would be in a position to restrict everything except Apple-owned products from being able to use the lightning port. Obviously, no, Apple wouldn't be so stupid to do something like that. At least lets hope they aren't.
The point is, they could theoretically start dividing phone devices by market with the lightning port. Oh, you want to connect your iPhone to that fancy audio mixer and sound system, sorry you have to buy our Apple audio app for $300 in order to unlock the phone's ability to connect to a sound mixer.
Yes, this is an extreme example, but I hope you get the point. Switching to a completely digital port does bear the risk of DRM restrictions being introduced down the line. With the direction consumer electronics is moving, it's not that far fetched as you might think either.
I'm in the same boat.. the ease of keeping my itunes and phone working together has kept me from getting off of iphones. This whole debate has gotten me a bit more intrigued though....
Yeah I'm just sick of Apple deciding what features are necessary on their own. As far as I can tell there's really not a good reason to remove the headphone jack, and if waterproofing is the only reason, I'd rather have the option to have a less waterproof one, rather than Apple just deciding for me.
I like iOS, bugs and all, and I like that things are consistent and seamless across their products, but things like this that they constantly do just add up and are annoying me.
They're just bullshitting. Bunch of waterproof/water resistant phones with headphone jacks. Bunch of thin ass phones with headphone jacks. Now it's just one hole for everything for no fucking reason that doesn't involve making money off new accessories
bacondev ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:49:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
if waterproofing is the only reason
Considering that the Galaxy S7 is rated IP68 and still has the 3.5mm jack, this surely canโt be the reason.
Because I have an S7 edge I have an 120gb SD mini card. coupled with the memory on the phone, I have 140gb. Yep, its nice to have all ur music and porn on one mobile device.
I never play any music via itunes, even though I still buy it there. VLC when I'm on my desktop, default generic music player app on both android phones I've had. There's sometimes a prompt to convert the files but it's easy as clicking "OK".
Not just that. I tried to do this a long time ago when I went from the ipod touch to a galaxy S. I had to use an aftermarket tool to rip the songs from itunes. Itunes converted all the actual file names to random titles like ixxyt.mp3 or whatever. So I had to go through and rename every song ao they would appear properly in every other device I used. Obviously this was probably 8 years ago and there may of been a better way. They don't make it easy though.
idunnofry ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 02:01:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
iTunes doesn't sell files that can be played by anything but apple products, they are protected m4a.
Did a reduction in drm happen recently? I have files i downloaded in the first year of itunes' existance and i was never able to convert them to mp3 when i tried.
I stopped using iTunes recently and all I had to do was copy the m4a files out of the iTunes folder. They play fine on most other music players like AIMP on Windows, Amarok on Linux and Google Play Music/Blackplayer on Android. (Those are some good players that I personally use.)
My computer/phone usually asks to do some conversions when I initiate the file transfer, but literally every song I've bought on iTunes works on my S6 and they also worked on my old S3.
You could sync your music with apple music and use the app on android?
aquaknox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:59:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well since you're someone who buys music if you buy Youtube Red the Google music app automatically upgrades to the all access version. It's not perfect since you never actually own the music, but it sounds like that's basically no different than your relationship with Apple right now.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:51:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As someone who owns a lot of CD's, that's great. As someone who, like everyone else on the planet, hasn't bought a CD in over a decade, that doesn't really tell me anything.
Anything you have bought before 2009 does have DRM. But even then, you can redownload those to get a DRM-free copy. Movies/TV Shows, Apps, and music off Apple Music are still DRM'd though.
Well idk about other phones, but with my s6 edge, I literally just copied all the songs from my itunes library to a folder on my desktop, then copied everything from that folder into my music folder. No trouble at all
It is but they allow 50 000 songs. It's great as a backup, to make room on your desktop, to stream your own music on your phone, to download it all on another computer and stream your music to your chromecast. I really don't know how Google came up with that but it's awesome.
50,000 songs for FREE, then the files count towards your Drive storage (which is pretty cheap and you can get another gig every once in a while by verifying your security settings)
I really hate "FTFY" when the fix is based on a misinterpretation of what I was saying. Jrook talked about the free version, I elaborated on that. The rest of your message is just extra information, which is good but not a fix.
Why do that when you can simply extract the music files from your iTunes folder under Music? Oh wait, don't even need to do that. I believe you can simply drag from iTunes UI itself.
Google Play Music is not a special fairy that comes to free you of iTunes. iTunes literally sells DRM-free music files that go to your hard drive, like with any other online digital music store.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:52:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As with everything, have backups. In this case, I copy all my files regularly to my 2TB external harddrive. Even though Google is massive and will most likely not screw you over, it's better to be safe than sorry.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:41:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, all you need is a constant, high speed data connection at all times.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:32:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Really? That's neat. I have a massive iTunes Library on my PC and I absolutely LOATHE iTunes. Good to know I can move it to a more lightweight, functional program.
mlbhr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:55:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How does that work with music aquired in... alternative ways. My friend is asking if he can do this with pirated music without problems.
Jrook ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:56:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just fine as far as I know, the only problem is if there's a goofy filename I'm not sure how to fix it lol. I have a whole hoobastank album that's a url
In case you weren't aware you can upload your entire library to google music and stream and download your own music all for free.
In case you don't know I can avoid all that nonsense bullshit of having to upload my collection to someone else's cloud by using Subsonic and setting up my own server. http://subsonic.org
If you have an iOS or Android phone/tablet that home built server is a god send. I got tired of syncing all my stuff all the time and I hated itunes so about 6 years ago I built that subsonic server and never looked back. On iOS I use iSub which lets me cache the music directly in the app so if I am in an area that has no coverage I can still listen to music. Setting up this server is a 10-15 minute process at most. You install it, point it at your resources(ie music, movies, etc) and you let it index it. From there you can configure it to use either a yourname.subsonic.org address or in my case I bought a domain from google domains for $12 a year so I could tell my server to broadcast to mynamemusic.com. I also set it up so other friends of mine could access everything inside of it either from their devices or the website. It has been chugging along for 6 years now and it's been glorious. I highly recommend it if you want to get away with cloud or Apple dependencies like syncing to iTunes.
Yeah... That's amazing, because googles streaming quality is renowned for quality and speedy reliability at the same time, especially YouTube.
And I mean, streaming files you already own physically makes tons of sense for cellular use, the only time you'd need to access music you own already on your computer, it's definitely much better and more economical than a 128gb SD card in your phone, which might cost $30, versus the 3 GB per month cellular data
I mean seriously, why would anyone want to have all their music cheaply stored locally for immediate access when they can wait for it to buffer while depleting data plans that cost money every month!
Same thing with Xbox music. Upload your library to onedrive and play it on any device. The music player (Groove) is available on all platforms.
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 01:45:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Jrook ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:05:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not for your own music. If you've uploaded your songs into the cloud you can access it for free. It's listening to their spotify-like service that is premium
Ever since I got my Google Play Music subscription I haven't pirated any music, the service is just so convenient and I've never had audio quality issues. I also don't have to manage a bunch of MP3 files. Hell I ended up deleting the 30+ GB of music I had stored on my computer.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:29:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
DEFINE WE MATEY
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:33:43 on September 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
speak for yourself
[deleted] ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 02:46:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
kemando ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:41:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I still pirate a majority of my music, but if I find myself liking a new band and listening to an album or 2 of theirs constantly, I make a point of going to the store and picking up a physical copy.
Korhaka ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:11:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Namika ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:51:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly don't see the need to pirate music when you can Spotify or YouTube literally any song at any time on any device.
I mean, I still have close to a hundred gigs of music on my harddrive, but I'm using it less and less. Even if I know I have the MP3, it's literally faster to just open a new Chrome window and type in the song name to play it in youtube compared to opening my music program and scrolling down to the song. Not to mention I don't have to buy 128 GB phones just to carry my music around, just stream it for free instead, no need to even have the MP3s anymore.
I work in a restaurant and my managers allow us to listen to music with headphones while we work in the back. Whenever I play music on YT, the video always gets paused being in my pocket while I move around and work. I also don't use my phone for anything except reddit and music so I have plenty of space with a 16gb phone. Also there's no telling when you won't have any connection to radio or wifi so all in all I find it convenient to just have the music locally stored.
Hahaha someone's triggered. I get a student discount so it's only $5. I can spare $5 a month thankfully for almost every song as well as new music I wouldn't have heard otherwise. You can talk to literally anyone and they'll tell you it's worth it. Not sure what hillbilly third world country you're from that you think this service is "useless."
am0x ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:53:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most people I know use them for their snappiness and simple use. But I guess we have very different friends.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:01:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Spotify master race!
Bmilphy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:02:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I dont listen to music i just prefer iphones... Although i would never use an iphone without a jailbreak
AndyFNG ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:56:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly don't know anyone who uses iTunes for music, they all use Spotify.
You can upload your music to Google play through your computer, thats what I did and its great. I can stream or download it to anything that supports the google play music app. So my galaxy s5 and iPad have the same music library
Bohya ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:17:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can literally just download the songs from your iTunes library onto your PC and turn them into any format you could ever wish for. They aren't stuck on there.
But... they can simply extract the files from the iTunes folder, no need for Google Play Music like a lot of people are suggesting. iTunes has been DRM free for a very long time.
FlatBot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:04:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People still use iTunes? I thought Spotify kind of took over
I actually just moved to iOS with an SE and music was a big reason. My very old nano was having issues but I really liked it more than my Nexus 5 for playback, and the integration with my car stereo. With my Nexus having issues as well, I considered what Android and iPod combo I could buy for the same price as an SE, and the iPhone just made more sense. Such a nice little phone.
I doubt that. It's pretty simple to move all your music to google play.
I have an iPhone because iMessage is useful and I like the interface. Simple as that.
I'm just gonna wait until they realize how dumb of an idea and auxless phone is.
Someone at iPhone wants everything to be wireless but don't realize how important wires still are. They need to improve interfacing around old systems before implementing wireless
tomsox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:11:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People are not going to leave because of this. Why? Because they're comfortable with the platform they're using. It's a lot easier to start using an adapter or buy new headphones than invest the time into learning to use Android. They may try it because they're temporarily upset, but they will probably switch back.
I realize it's the cool thing to do to mock Apple, but this is seriously going to be something that we laugh about 5 years from now. Transitions suck (do I swipe my card or stick it in the chip reader?), but they're temporary and bring advantages (higher quality audio and larger screens in this case). I just wish they would drop the lightning port...it was a nice try, but you're already using USB-C in other Apple devices.
avboden ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:51:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
iphone user here, don't have a single damn song on my phone, haven't opened itunes in months
Seriously you're like bernie sanders fans "well everyone I knows is voting for bernie therefor there was votor fraud she couldn't have won" "everyone I know with an iphone is mad!"
dedokta ยท 558 points ยท Posted at 01:29:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Has anyone picked up a phone recently and thought "man, I wish this thing was thinner!"
Yep, that is a good solution. However, if someone is tied into an ecosystem, then it's not that simple. It's crazy that Apple are going to be forcing people to their competitors and unfair on people who have put their faith and money into one particular brand.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:58:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like that basket full of eggs just lost a few.
I don't know for certain but I think the battery improvements come from having the new\more efficient processor. Something like a 40% CPU performance bump while using 30% less energy.
not that it matters but im curious how it stacks up to the old battery as far as physical size... like did they take advantage of getting the headphone jack out of there and the space it freed up or did they just find a more efficient battery to fit in the same space
The trend towards less and less autonomous memory in favor of reliance on streamed content seriously bothers me. Especially since you can get like, hundreds of gigabytes in the form-factor of a snowflake these days..
Not to mention carriers killing off unlimited data plans.
The more data we need, the less we have
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:45:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not to defend the practice, but that's exactly why it makes sense from a business angle - unlimited data was fine when most people were just browsing fb and sending the odd email, but now pretty much every app and feature is chewing into your data to some degree, it's no longer cost efficient (read: grotesquely profitable) to just give the stuff away.
mirhagk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:36:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The port wasn't exactly taking up a ton of space. If it was next to the speakers you probably wouldn't even gain any space by removing it.
There's other stuff inside that relates to making it work that they could get rid of. But battery improvements are likely due to better battery technology rather than more internal space.
mirhagk ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:03:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know tbh. Batteries haven't really improved all that much.
Here's the motorola razr v3, which was released in 2004:
I don't think the battery is bigger. I think the new processor is just more efficient. Didn't they just mention better battery life? I didn't watch it just saw stuff online so I could genuinely be wrong.
I personally use NFC for NFC tags and to connect to wireless devices, such as Bluetooth speakers, with a tap
mirhagk ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:52:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cool. And when does any other company or protocol get access to it? When can consumers use it for something besides buying stuff?
My bank supports using my phone instead of my debit card. The merchant doesn't need any new systems, and I don't need to have my money move anywhere else.
My bank supports using my phone instead of my debit card. The merchant doesn't need any new systems, and I don't need to have my money move anywhere else.
Not sure what your point is, that's exactly how both Apple Pay and Android Pay works.
mirhagk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:20:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then why are there stuff like this which talk about merchants that support NFC payments (through debit/credit cards) but not apple pay?
I don't live in the US, I literally have to go out of my way to find a card reader that's not NFC capable or won't read Apple/Android Pay.
And I'm still don't know what you're trying to argue, Android Pay works the exact same way. Only SamSung's implementation is any different.
mirhagk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:30:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but as far as I'm reading and I've seen NFC was around for a long time before apple pay. Even Mcdonalds just recently started accepting it (if you believe their marketing).
As far as I can tell it is a proprietary protocol that the merchant has to opt into, as opposed to what the bank is doing, which is communicating over the same protocol as regular NFC payments.
And besides that there are other things besides Apple Pay that you might want NFC for. But apple won't allow anything else to use it, for fear that google wallet or regular NFC payment systems would destroy it. There's even stuff like an e-ink phone case that is both powered and delivered data over NFC.
What else do you personally use NFC for? I'm just curious because you've made a big stink about this, it must be really important to you.
I actually prefer Apple Pay over having to open my bank's clunky app every time. I literally don't have to press anything to activate Apple Pay- it's a very polished experience.
In my experience with Android phones they just lack the polish that I desire. For all of the processing power you can buy, things like searching through contacts still lags and the OS feels sticky. I don't think I can ever go back, iOS is too polished & fast.
Yeah but as far as I'm reading and I've seen NFC was around for a long time before apple pay. Even Mcdonalds just recently started accepting it (if you believe their marketing).
What are you going on about? Nobody has to 'accept' it. It works out of the box with standard contactless readers which are everywhere around the counrty.
The only reason US businesses need to upgrade is because they've got old-ass chip & pin readers (That the rest of the world doesn't use) which aren't compatible with any sort of contactless payments and have to be changed out for a reader that does.
I can go to any contactless reader (Which is easily 95%+ of them) in the country and use Apple Pay with any of them, nobody has to opt into anything.
As far as I can tell it is a proprietary protocol that the merchant has to opt into
The merchant doesn't have to opt into anything other than having a compatible reader.
It's the banks who've got to opt in, and that's so that it works properly with their systems and both Apple and Android can add additional authentication to the services.
mirhagk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:53:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then can you explain why retailers that have had NFC for years are advertising "Apple pay now supported"?
Because of CurrentC and several other factors leading to some places banning Apple/Android Pay contactless payments in favor of their own services that then died off so they need a way of saying 'We support it'.
Again, it's only a US thing, 'Apple/Android Pay Accepted' stickers don't exist here (Or in the UK, etc) because it's correctly assumed it works on any NFC-compatible reader.
mirhagk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:01:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They exist in Canada (the mcdonalds link is from canada). And merchants didn't have their own here. We had interac flash, mastercard paywave and visa paypass (or w/e the names are) which is debit cards, and the 2 major credit cards. Those were going for years before apple pay came along, and merchant specific payment systems didn't even come into play at all here.
I mean I don't own an apple device, but it was my understanding that apple pay has just recently started to work at places besides starbucks
I'm really curious what system you are talking about.
mirhagk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:15:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I live in Canada. We've got Interac Flash/Visa Paypass/Mastercard Paywave or something. Basically NFC debit/credit cards that you just tap to pay. Since it's just NFC, all my bank has to do is emulate my debit card using my phone's NFC and the payment terminal is none the wiser.
Also we got chips like a decade ago. And we have PINs (since nobody even bothers to look at signatures). Also we don't have pennies. Also we have email money transfers (enter an email address, they get money that you send, after answering a security question). Jeez america, catch up with your payment processing.
At least we have third party services that do email money transfer... :(
(Square Cash, Venmo etc)
mirhagk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:26:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. It seems that banks/payment providers in the states just suck and corporations need to step in to fill the gap. I mean that's basically why apple pay even exists.
xbbdc ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:26:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.apple.com/iphone-7/specs/ The main page and the site just says "new Home button" but nowhere mentions haptic feedback or Taptic Engine. Pretty odd considering it's a brand new feature that already sounds like it sucks with some early reviewers.
That's what I don't understand. They didn't shave any mm, meanwhile the GS7 which came out in March and is 7.7mm thick with ip68, a headphone jack, and larger battery and is only .4 more mm thicker for it.
They weren't trying to make it bigger they were trying to fit more important things in there. Like battery. The new battery is 14% bigger. Also another misconception: you'll have to pay for an adapter. They're actually putting it in the box with the phone.
Their idea is.. If the battery is bigger then you will be freed up from charging it all day so you won't need to have an 3.5mm and a charging port. They're trying to get you away from being tethered to a wall all day.
Apples a big fucking company, they're not a bunch of dumbasses running around not knowing the industry, they recognize the risk and are doing it anyways.
I always just think "man, I wish this had a smaller screen".
My last phones were Nexus 5X and Nexus 5. I miss the screen size of my Nokia N900, although not the thickness.
Rindan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:02:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Every single reviewer ever. No reviewer can review a phone without lining up an iPhone, the latest Nexus, a Galaxy whatever, and the phone they are reviewing on their profiles so you can zoom in in photoshop and count how many fucking pixel thinner or thicker the phones are.
Fuck smartphone reviewers. Fuck every single smartphone reviewer out there*. You are all awful people. You spend a dozen paragraphs jerking off to how many microns thinner one phone is over then other, jerk it for another dozen paragraphs talking about whether or not you like the corners or the bevels, and then you spend one fucking sentence reporting what the manufacturer told you about the a battery life fresh out of the box. I hate smartphone reviewers.
A smart phone review should be a picture of the god damn phone so that you can decide if you like the aesthetics of it (assuming you even give a fuck, which you shouldn't), and then a whole bunch of testing and words so that I know if the phone is going to have a 2 hour battery life in a month and be slow as molasses. The whole idea of a reviewer reviewing the aesthetics of something THAT THEY HAVE PICTURES OF SO YOU CAN DECIDE FOR YOURSELF, is so stupid it hurts. I can decide if I think the phone is pretty without help. Thanks. I can't tell how long the battery is going to last from a fucking picture though, even a stupid profile picture next to a dozen other phones.
*okay, maybe not every reviewer. I'm sure there are some reviewers out there that are not awful human trash who can't an instant erection the second they turn a phone sideways and see exactly how little battery it has.
I put my g3 in a slim case just to give it some bulk. It just feels too thin without it and I'm afraid I'll drop it. I don't understand this obsession with thinness. Give me a few extra millimeters for more battery capacity.
I want them to be thicker. I wonder if they're just seeing how close to paper they can get. On the plus side I guess this means they have to put serious money into battery research
What I think is funny is all these people saying that they don't need a thinner iPhone without realizing that the new iPhone isn't any thinner and that Apple didn't saying anything about it being thinner.
It's because it's been rumored for the past year that it would be thinner and rumors persisted up until Sep 6th. But then they actually saw the iPhone 7 and journalists who held one said it's not any thinner. And numerous Apple insider reports said they ditched the jack to make the phone thinner. But we're seeing none of the reasons mentioned are actually legit. There are plenty of water resistant phones with the jack, and two speakers phones exist that also have the jack. So it's even more confusing.
moeburn ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:14:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My last iPhone was so thick it made me want to shit myself with rage.
[deleted] ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 01:55:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thai so going to piss some people off, but, has the larger part of the cell phone market picked up a phone recently and thought "Man, I can't wait to plug my non-Bluetooth headphones into this device!"
A majority of cell phone users are using Bluetooth headsets like the LG HBS models. They also have Bluetooth speakers and receivers in their cars. The 3.5 jack could have been left alone but it was the last physical entry point for water and dust into the device aside from the charging port which has been made waterproof.
I use Bluetooth in the car, but when I listen to aidiobooks and music in the house, I use headphones. I don't like Bluetooth headphones because I don't like having another thing to charge. And I need to be able to charge and listen simultaneously, which I'd like to do without jumping through hoops.
has the larger part of the cell phone market picked up a phone recently and thought "Man, I can't wait to plug my non-Bluetooth headphones into this device!"
Probably not, but then again it wasn't a particularly special feature since they all have them.
bsmythos ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:07:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
has the larger part of the cell phone market picked up a phone recently and thought "Man, I can't wait to plug my non-Bluetooth headphones into this device!"
According to a place that has actual information, unlike your bullshit, a lot of people used wired and non LG headphones.
[deleted] ยท 71 points ยท Posted at 04:12:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love the apple apologia "it's 60 year old technology" cause old can't still be good. Yet none of those smart mother fuckers showed me their better wheel yet.
I don't at all agree with Apple on the decision, but that comparison really doesn't hold lol.
That's like comparing the removal of a cassette reader to banning cars.
I get where they're coming from, but wireless headphones are not the future. Kind of crazy how quickly Apple is losing its role as the visionary of the tech industry without Jobs, and I was no fan of Jobs.
What? Telephones are over a century old, that's not a comparison it is a statement of fact.
bstix ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:26:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The audio still has to be converted to filthy "analog" airwaves at some point. Apple are just moving the conversion from the phone and into an even smaller and crappier piece of hardware. It's not much of a technological advance.
Sorry, if you want the iWheel you'll need Apple's new lighting-to-axle adaptor now available for $1,500,000 at your local genius bar
CB_Ranso ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
That's my problem with all of this. I have an iPhone 6 and I love it. If they had introduced a genuine benefit for the consumer I'd be fine, but I personally don't feel like there is one. It's a huge middle finger to the consumer just so they can push their $160 Air Pods and sell more of their Wireless Beats by Dre.
The consumer doesn't receive a single benefit out of them getting rid of it. I can't use my V-Moda Crossfade headphones with my phone unless I get the adapter (yay...) which also uses up my charging port (yay...). And many people are asking "How often do you charge and listen to music at the same time??"
Enough to still want to do it.
I also don't think battery technology has advanced far enough for Bluetooth audio to be the only option for my phone. I don't want to have to worry about making sure my headphones are charged just so I can listen to my music. And it's not like they put a USB-C port on it, which I would have been slightly more okay with, but it is STRICTLY LIGHTNING. Which means the wired headphones that come with the phone will only work on iOS products. They will not even work on Macs or Macbooks.
In my eyes, there's just so much more wrong with this than just "They got rid of the Aux port." I'm now heavily considering Android for my next phone if anybody has suggestions and hoping this whole thing backfires in Apple's face.
2790 ยท 880 points ยท Posted at 00:10:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Just read the rundown on CNN:
The Home button is now force sensitive. Instead of knowing you pressed the button because it clicked, it will vibrate. Apple marketing chief Phil Schiller said the revolutionary new button is "creating new feelings and experiences that could not have been created before."
This experience that "could not have been created before" is coincidentally the exact experience of using a Oneplus 2, a phone released over a year ago and already replaced by a newer handset. Maybe instead of trying to enforce a copyright on rectangles with filleted edges, Apple should invent something actually new.
edit: it is a patent, not a copyright. my bad.
dongknog ยท 287 points ยท Posted at 01:32:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure my shredder at work has this feature.
246011111 ยท 55 points ยท Posted at 01:58:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Home button is now force sensitive
there has been an awakening
[deleted] ยท 184 points ยท Posted at 01:28:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apple uses the taptic engine on all of their laptops. It was only a matter of time before it came to the iphone. It feels the same as a physical click.
I read a tweet from a guy who was at the event who said the button disappointingly feels nothing like a real button, the way the Macbooks trackpad feels like a real button
It's a really weird change. Once you get used to it, it's easy to forget it's not a button but when I first switched, I had some problems with pressing too hard. It's kind of amazing though because I'm pressing it now and consciously thinking about how it's not a button but it really does feel and sound like one no matter where you click on the trackpad.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:13:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have a 2015 MBP with force touch and it's really weird. You start applying pressure and it "clicks". You apply more pressure and it clicks again. I have spent more time than I'd like to admit just clicking and trying to figure out how it works. Especially since with the laptop off, it doesn't click nor depress at all.
Kingbuji ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:33:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I turn off and click and on then click and it feels so weird
FowD9 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 03:02:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i have it, it's not a button. it has a type of haptic feedback that makes you feel like you clicked a button, not in the way of just vibrating, but legit feels like you clicjked a button. for example if you really quickly hit the trackpad and press down, it won't click which is just weird, but if you lightly press it, it'll click as if you just clicked a button. you can also set a "second" button where if you click and then press a little harder, it'll "click" a 2nd button (which you can set as your right click)
as somebody that doesn't care for apple products, it's something that's actually pretty neat. fyi, it's my work laptop
The Mac trackpad is a thing of beauty. The Surface Pro 4 cover is as close as I've ever seen on a windows machine but it's nowhere near as close. I remember when they took the buttons off. I thought it was ridiculous. I was wrong. Ok on the Surface, there must have been some improvements in a firmware update because I don't feel the need to use a mouse every time I fire it up.
coworker ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:21:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Even the MacBook trackpad has problems though. There's nothing more fun than attempting to wake the laptop via the touchpad and it doesn't click because it's kernel panicked or something. You can't even be sure you pressed it right.
This happens to me fairly often because at work I generally keep the lid closed, connect to external monitors, and then wake by bluetooth. Half the time when I disconnect and reconnect, OS X just hangs.
I'd recommend opening the laptop screen when disconnecting. For some reason, OS X has never been great at recovering from a monitor change + wake from sleep. If you open the laptop screen, let it get its bearings, then unplug the external display and let it move everything to the laptop screen before closing it again, it should completely eliminate your problems. I wish they would fix this but imagine it's a more difficult problem to solve than it sounds.
Another great tip for anyone reading is that if you have an Apple laptop with a glowing white LED light on the front, you are better off waiting for that light to go from solid to blinking after closing the lid and before picking it up. The reason is that the hard drive doesn't stop spinning until the light is blinking so by waiting to move it you reduce the likelihood of damage to the hard drive (and the dreaded inability to wake from sleep that sometimes results). If your Mac has an SSD this is a non-issue as those have no moving parts.
kbotc ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:46:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
because it's kernel panicked or something.
Uh... What the fuck? I haven't seen a kernel panic in years
They've just figured out how to make them reboot automagically in the event of a kernel panic instead of making the user do it so it's much less noticeable.
I do not like how the new trackpads feel. Not a satisfying click and delicate enough that if you use "tap-to-click" you can accidentally click. Blargh. Some weird decisions from Apple lately...
It took a while to get used to- I hated it at first. The one thing I like is that you can click anywhere on the trackpad (even the corners) and get the same level of "click." Other laptops with hinged trackpads just feel crappy now.
Zeus1325 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:57:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I use a mac, you realize how many times I just stared at my finger and clicked because of your comment?
jimbo831 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:25:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've been amazed at how real it feels on my MacBook.
It saves space and allows for more functionality like force touch.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:48:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Water resistence. Also, more customizations. I guess they can program more gestures this way. It practically took all the space of the headphone jack. They spoke briefly about what you it can do.
How the fuck do you replicate the feeling my thumb physically sinking in as I press the button. That's the feeling I seek when I press something. I don't see how touching something with vibration would really replace this.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:55:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Find a 12" MacBook and click the trackpad. Then shut down the computer and try clicking it. Your mind will be blown.
You've never used an rMBP, have you? The click feels incomparably better than, for example, the click on the Surface Book. Or any other laptop with a lever click, really.
No I have, I just prefer real buttons. It's objective obviously so to each their own. Honestly with some of the changes on the iPhone 7, I might stick with getting the iPhone SE since I really liked the size of the iPhone 5. I just hate the fact that their removing the headphone jack so I can't listen to music and charge my phone at the same time.
krackers ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:39:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can't vouch for the new mbp force-touch trackpad since I haven't used it for an extended period, but my mbp 2010 trackpad has slowly become less "clicky" to the point of sometimes missing clicks.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:04:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:51:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know but it somehow works (at least on the laptop). It feels nothing like a vibration.
FowD9 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:07:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
trust somebody that couldn't give two shits about apple's "innovations". it legit feels like a button. I only know because my work gave me a new macbook when I started (i'd have prefered a linux box, but whatever). If you didn't actually know, you'd have no idea that it wasn't a button. It's exactly the same as clicking a button, 100% in every way, feeling, sound, feeling like your thumb dipped down a millimeter, everything exactly the same. but it's not a button, it doesn't depress like a button, but it feels like a button. really it's that simple. they somehow managed to 100% imitate the feeling of pressing a button
if you don't believe me, just stop by a best by and try it yourself
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:49:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
See I thought this when I heard about Apple implementing the technology on the new MacBook, but then I got a Macbook Pro (without realising it also used the force touch) and had my mind blown when a month later realised that it doesn't actually click. It honestly feels just like a click.
ohio818 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 01:38:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It feels the same as a physical click on their laptops, yesโtotally agree. It feels nothing at allโnot even slightlyโlike a physical click on their phones.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:43:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Its not the same as 3D touch on iPhone 6S. iPhone 7 hasn't been released yet so we'll have to wait to see what it's like. (cant wait)
ohio818 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:14:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's the same Taptic Engine stuff. It feels like a click on a laptop because the vibration only pushes upward on your finger, which is simultaneously pushing down.
The same effect on a handheld device is almost impossible to engineer because the vibration reaches all parts of the hand that holds the phone. So you end up feeling it in front, in back, on the sides, etc. It's just not the same unfortunately.
It'll be an interesting market experiment on their part nonetheless.
Apple doesn't invent new things. They take existing products and improve/change/re-market them. This has been their history from the beginning without fail. I say this as an Apple fan. They're not inventors. They're not creators. They're changers.
I don't think they're known for saying they were the first to do something. They'll tout things as the best or new (for them) but I don't recall them claiming to be first with things.
My old iRiver would agree with you. Had a colorful screen before the ipod.
Edit: I must add that I'm 50/50 with that comment. Apple had been very innovative in the past but there were also products (or segments of a product) that was marketed as an Apple idea and "REVOLUTIONARY! " but was neither- as we all know.
FowD9 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:10:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
meh, they used to improve/change... not they do nothing more than stick "Apple" before the name and call it "innovation". They've fallen to just being copy cats trying to keep up with the competition but then acting like they invented something new
to quote myself from earlier today
it's been many years now that they're not the better brand. every year i watch keynote, every year i watch apple reveal a "revolutionary new feature".... that's been out with competitors for 2-3 years already. And it's not like they make it even better than their competitors, they just put their branding on it and make it sound better to the fanboys, nvm it's the same thing
"Water and Dustlolreally? proof" - how many years late?
"Black iPhone, we call it... BLACK" - umm... really?
"Apple Pen!" - only a decade late
"Apple Pay" - NFC was only on essentially every android for 2-3 years already
That's literally the exact same philosophy that made Japan a rich country.
NLJeroen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:30:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People don't want what you have, but why you do it.
Find Simon Sinek on TED.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:43:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
not inventors
NVMe and the A-series chips come to mind. Do you have any actual knowledge regarding this subject or are you just jumping on the bandwagon? Are you familiar with Darwin and the low-level architecture in macOS?
No bandwagon here. I'm a fanboy, but a realistic one. You've got fair points that I addressed in another reply:
Calm down brother. Let me clarify. They do indeed invent and create parts of the whole, no doubt about that. They've done some amazing things in order to create the whole product. But show me one device they invented that hadn't been created by another company in some manner before them. I'm not even saying that's a bad thing. I see nothing wrong with taking existing items and improving upon them or changing them to suit a different or larger market.
Then someone brought up the Newton, I gave them credit, then asked for an example of a truly invented device that was successful.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:11:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
a truly invented device
If you follow this logic virtually every company in the consumer tech world falls short of your standard.
You're just mistaken as to what resolution innovations in technology actually happen. Nobody set out to build an iPhone, there's a thousand independent pieces inside it that each had their own R&D history. Those are what you call "inventions".
a_o_a ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:51:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's a pretty broad generalisation there. It might appear that way to you, but that doesn't make it true.
epwnym ยท -20 points ยท Posted at 01:45:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're not inventors. They're not creators.
This is absolute horseshit and fucking offensive to the brilliant engineers and designers who work at Apple.
Calm down brother. Let me clarify. They do indeed invent and create parts of the whole, no doubt about that. They've done some amazing things in order to create the whole product. But show me one device they invented that hadn't been created by another company in some manner before them. I'm not even saying that's a bad thing. I see nothing wrong with taking existing items and improving upon them or changing them to suit a different or larger market.
kbotc ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:47:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But show me one device they invented that hadn't been created by another company in some manner before them.
kbotc ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:21:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm... I got nothing.
FowD9 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:11:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/s
I really hope you dropped this, I found it on the floor next to you
MactheDog ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:34:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They invented touch screen smartphones and tablets. Look at alpha versions of Android, they were making a Blackberry clone until Apple invited them to code apps for the unreleased iPhone. It's why Jobs lost his mind over the whole deal, he felt betrayed.
They invented neither of those. What they DID do was make them better. They reimagined products that already existed both from a hardware and software perspective. They pioneered the concept of User Experience in the modern age.
Pre-iPhone touch screen phone example: HTC XDA, released in 2002
Pre-iPad touch screen tablet example: Fujitsu Windows XP Tablet, released in 2000
The LG Prada did, which was released prior to the iPhone, but only nearly. And the Windows tablet did as well.
But that doesn't matter. Let's say Apple was the first to put a capacitive touch screen on a phone, that doesn't make them inventors. That's proves my point that they take an existing item (touch screen phone) and make it better (capacitive). So...I guess we agree? They innovated an existing product.
I guess we agree, but it really is a semantic thing. The first cellphone was still just a phone, not totally new, just improved version of a device that was invented in the late-1800s.
My position is that Apple changed and refined both of those products and concepts enough to take credit for inventing the modern smartphone and tablet. Every invention is built on top of previous inventions, but when someone steps outside and does something different and literally everyone copies them it should be acknowledged.
They are the Thomas Edison of our time. Nothing is actually invented, just derived from other people's work, and then claimed to be an Apple invention.
From the beginning: GUI: Stolen from Xerox. Mouse, stolen from Xerox... Adding proprietary interconnects onto top spec hardware, stolen from Sony... Magnesium unibody construction, stolen from the Sony Vaio line of laptops... Their only TRUE innovation, was a digital music delivery system that was LEGAL, even though that was derivative of other existing services that launched before getting the legal issues handled first...
I honestly think that iTunes is the only reason Apple is still in business today. Without iTunes, no one had a reason to buy an iPod. Without an iPod, no one had a reason to buy a Mac. Without a Mac and an iTunes music library, no one had a reason to buy an iPhone... and no one has a reason to buy an iPad, but they still do...
In their defense, the haptic touchpad thingy is pretty dope
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:50:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So apparently you're unaware their trackpads have done the same thing for a few years now, this is simply them using their technology in the phones now.
iakhre ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:29:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hell, my LG chocolate from 9? years ago had that functionality
Huawei i think? Regardless its a feature that seems cool for the first month, then kinda irrelevant after
Leporad ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:42:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Instead of knowing you pressed the button because it clicked, it will vibrate.
That's the dumbest idea I've ever heard. That just takes up power...
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:44:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You have to admire their marketing. It's incredible. You're right, they recycle features that other devices came out with years ago, but they market it way better and do a great job of selling it. It reminds me of Siri. Siri was hyped up as being revolutionary, but at the same time Google had a pretty powerful voice recognition system, they just did a really terrible job of marketing it.
Of the six phones I've owned, I've only had one iPhone, and I didn't really care for it. I went back to Android after a year. I don't like the phones, but their marketing is superb.
tyy3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:46:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My favorite part was. It's the best iPhone yet..... NO SHIT
The way Phil kept going on about the "new feelings and experiences" you'd have with this button, I was afraid he was talking about a different button entirely...
and people cant also say the camera is new and the 1st ones to make as Huawei has done it with Honor and P9, but i think they werent the 1st's of course (well they got the 2x but its ugly af imo)
The original fat ps3 had that touch sensitive button, I still have one, button stopped working in less than a year. The next generation of ps3 got rid of that button.
Do you know anything about Apple's product history? Almost EVERYTHING they've produced is a slightly revamped and newly marketed version of someone else's product.
Renyx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:10:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My Droid Maxx does this, which is a few years old.
strugglz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:12:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wasn't there a fucking blackberry like 10-12 years ago that did this with the touch screen?
Phones have had vibrators in them for about 20 years.
Really? Apple is just getting around to this?
sygraff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:45:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In fairness though, the Oneplus 2 haptic feedback is not the same as the taptic engine. My Oneplus 2 is simply a phone vibrate, whereas the taptic engine on my MBP actually feels like a click. Now, whether or not the taptic engine in their laptops are the same as the one in the iPhone 7 remains to be seen.
I intend this as non-biased as possible, but I think you'd find this video interesting (title: Has apple ever really invented anything?). I'd suggest watching it all, there's a really good point at the end.
They already have products out that use the Taptic engine and it's nothing like the vibration your phone has. It actually feels like you're physically clicking it down.
Are they seriously trying to pass off the phone vibrating as a 'revolutionary new button'? They have become a parody of themselves. Seriously, my Android already vibrates the phone for feedback when I press buttons.
Apple has been doing the haptic feedback way before Oneplus. They just never brought it to their phones.
bon_bons ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:50:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
lol i have a One Plus 2 and i read that and was like "wtf...must be talking about something different. This phone is just ok in terms of features"
guess not!
If I was gonna be an asshole, this is where I'd point out that people who work for (and obsess about) Apple are somewhat cult-like, and that they probably don't know anyone who uses a phone more than 12 months old, or drives a car more than 2 years old, or has equipment from (ewwww) a few years back. Of course everyone has bluetooth everything in their car and home speakers and headphones and of course everyone is used to upgrading devices that don't need fixing to have the latest gimmick. Everyone!
Of course that would just be a tremendous exaggeration. Maybe. Sort of. Not really?
But Apple's bluetooth was such a pain, oh you want to transfer an image from an android phone to an iPad? Both has bluetooth but the iPad won't accept a file.
Happened to us a few years back at a shoot. We had to mail the images instead with a shoddy network in the middle of nowhere.
At the end of the day, each new phone does come with an adapter to a normal headphone jack, so (for now) it doesn't really matter. I won't be buying one this year (for the first time in a few years) due to the massive price-hike in the U.K.
Yes and no. I only use apple. My entire office is purely Apple. Some new staff have wanted PC and I have refused. I actually only know one person who has an android phone. I've been a "fan boy" since maybe 2002. I've liked Apple products because their operating system is far superior. The hardware is of good quality and Apple products last longer in general. It's just a better experience over all.
All that said, this is the first time I'm not getting the new iPhone. I already have a massive issue with the battery which I charge 3-4 times a day. Removing the Jack is simply put stupid. But although I'm not getting a new iPhone I wouldn't dream of getting an android phone. I'll just stick with my current iPhone 6.
You were gonna be an asshole, but instead you generalized the entire consumer base & employed population of the most successful/popular product company in the world as idiotic consumers, proving to the rest of us that you are in fact an asshole.
congrats, you noticed the obvious ironic litote I used. You win a prize!
The prize is learning a new word - litote.
Bonus points for getting into a nitpicky slapfight about whether I used 'irony' correctly in context. Super bonus points if you do the same about 'litote'.
How were you able to read it that way? I mean that Apple is popular therefore tons of people use their products, and OP just assumed they all have 2 year old cars with Bluetooth? Lol wtf?
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 05:32:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Surely you read the last line of their comment. Surely.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:03:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was making fun of your likely argument, and you just proved my point.
GV18 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:46:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yup they assume everyone only uses Bluetooth, which is exactly why their including an adapter. For all those people who don't use Bluetooth. Even though there's none of them.
Incursus ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:09:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You have to use an included dongle now and plug into the lightning port.
Of course you can, the phone comes with an adapter for 3.5mm that works with the lightning connector. People here just seem to ignore that small fact. I'm not saying the lightning is perfect, but keeping an analog plug for the sake of convenience is not logical. Most devices will now interface audio and power through lightning/USB-C, thus aux cables will disappear in a few years.
edit: obviously got downvoted to oblivion, perhaps I came off to strong. I know that all headphones use 3.5mm, but it has to change inevitably. Might as well start now than later is what I meant. It's a pain in the ass but I think it will happen to other devices as well (hoping USB-C and not lightning). Would perhaps two plugs be a solution?
The adapter will most likely be of the worst quality, much like all of their cables. Third party sources hopefully make something durable that can be left permanently on the headphones.
Before being sold to Lenovo they made pretty solid phones. I'm pretty happy with my Moto X 2014 and was planning to go for a Motorola somewhere next year.
Obviously plans changed, Motorola in the hands of Lenovo is significantly worse.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:49:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, I'm still surprised whenever I hear them mentioned. As in 'oh really? They haven't gone bust / been bought yet?'
I find it funny that when Apple announced TouchID everyone was like "yeah but Motorola done it first with the Atrix" and now when it's pointed out that Motorola done this with the Droid it's just ignored or answered with "yeah but Motorola is shit"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:01:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This what made apple as a company. Mouse? Check. Graphical user interface? Check. MP3 player? Check. Many, many other things? Check.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:28:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This happened with all of the features that I mentioned. Apple wasn't the first for any of those things. Now the companies they took them from are no where near where apple is now.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:59:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Typical apple. Always stealing ideas.
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 03:01:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Android phones don't even have to innovate to keep me on their platform. They just have to not remove highly-desired, useful features like a fucking headphone jack.
Not every Android--Motorola did also did away with the aux jack instead using USB-C for audio.
Android has an enormous fragmentation problem and it'll keep me with Apple short of them removing the screen.
IamZag ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:36:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Great is the wrong word, more like, obsolete. Give it a year or two and all phones will ditch the headphone jack.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:51:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It depends on the user. Some people really depend on it. It's certainly likely that all phones down the road will ditch it but I hope it's a long while from now.
And yet the iPhone and iOS is still miles better than anything Android. Enjoy your lack of updates, uglier thicker phones, slow as fuck OS even on "flagship" devices and exploding batteries that require global recalls
LUL. Fanboy. Lack of updates? Who needs updates when the freaking OS works? I'm confused on this part. Uglier thicker phones? Wtf man? My phone is fine. I have a Moto G 3rd Gen why would I want anything thinner? How the heck do you hold that crap? Don't you just buy a case to make it thicker?? I have no case and it's comfortable. I drop it and the whole thing doesn't shatter either lul. Slow AF? Wut. Works fine for me...
I will enjoy my expandable memory and not being forced into using their crap.
And btw my battery doesn't explode and my phone isn't recalled. Just like hundreds of other Android phone models that give you so much variety to choose from. Don't like the Samsung phones like myself? Get a different one. Can't do that with Apple. Rofl.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:55:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Get a Nexus. Problem solved.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:20:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Miles better than the bottom of the barrel el cheapo Android phone from the Walmart clearance isle, yes, totally, but don't hate until you try a nexus. It's a pure Android experience on solid hardware. I get updates way quicker than any apple device does.
Why would I keep up with Apple rumors when I don't buy their products? Personally, I don't give a shit what the next iPhone does or doesn't have, because I'm not getting one either way.
Not stupid, just slightly too early. People reacted the the same way when the first iMac didn't have a floppy drive and the CD-ROM drive wasn't writeable. You literally had no way to get data off the device out of the box without some sort of external drive. They still sold millions.
Side note: Steve Jobs cried backstage before the iMac reveal because they weren't able to source slot-loading cd drives instead of the tray variety and no one bothered to tell him.
am0x ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When everyone will be using proprietary lightning headphones?
am0x ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:31:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thing is that it still has Bluetooth, so you can still use that. Your aren't required to use lightning.
Thomjones ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 02:42:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's like you're telling me I'm not required to get fucked in the ass, I can get fucked in the face instead.Yeah cuz that's what I wanted to do. I wanted to buy a new pair of bluetooth headphones. This fucking wired pair I paid good money for...fuck it right? Or y'know, my car stereo that doesn't have bluetooth. I guess fuck driving around listening to music while charging my phone. Maybe I'm just being dramatic but it's a bizarre design decision. Making all these adapters and shit is gonna save them money in the long run?
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:51:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:15:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Charging daily is no big deal, just do it while you sleep. I would rather have that small inconvenience while I don't use than the inconvenience of wires whenever I want to listen to something. Sound quality gets better all the time and will be lossless soon enough.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:39:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Funny enough when I don't want to hear stuff around me I like them with earplugs more than regular headphones and music is pretty good. Most of my listening with them is podcasts and audio books though. I like music through car or home stereo more than earphones.
I don't see the 3.5 mm jack going away in favor of something wireless. There may be a better wired way to listen to audio that becomes public standard, but the choice to use wired or wireless connections have both positives and drawbacks.
Bluetooth requires syncing (I know this isn't every time), being the only one with the connection saved (if you want to reliably connect), puts more strain on your battery, and has an inherent latency. Not to mention the fact that you have to charge the device you're using regularly. I don't want to have another device I have to plug in every single night.
Wired requires you to stay connected to what you're using, the wires could be damaged, and the wires can be messy.
I could use bluetooth for my speakers, car, and several other devices but I still choose to use auxiliary because it's a better experience for me. I'm fine with wires. I'm not fine with having to mess with settings regularly when there's another option.
Tl;dr: There's no way wired connections will get phased out in our lifetime when it comes to music.
I have bluetooth speakers and every now and again they'll kick up a stink and refuse to connect. The wifes last car had a bluetooth stereo in and it never worked right.
The only issue so far with wires is interference from the phone connecting to masts!
Not everyone out there has a USB input in their car, or the money to retrofit that into their car.
I'm happy rocking the old unit in my car seeing as it supports the CD changer and the steering wheel controls, and it fits the dash properly.
If I were to part it out for a bluetooth/usb deck i'd have to buy an adaptor to fit it in the car, an adaptor to get the wheel controls to work and try and find a unit that supports the changer or bin a perfectly good one.
apawst8 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:12:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can't continually design for the past. I've never owned a car that had even an Aux input. What did I do? I bought an aftermarket head unit that had an Aux input (and Bluetooth). Then, when I upgraded to a phone that had Bluetooth, I was able to choose between Aux and Bluetooth.
i'd say it's not an expense everyone can make, but if you're buying an iPhone 7 then it could be!!
It's not really the past either, moreso it's a standard that hasn't needed updating. Phasing out for better mediums of storage etc is fine (VCR/DVD combos!) but this is like removing the UK 3 pin power plug and expecting everyone to just lump it with whatever standard they pick instead!
apawst8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:24:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When you're talking about car stereos, it's not a new standard. Bluetooth is common in cars and will be available with the new iPhone.
This change has a much greater effect on the headphone market (which is largely wired) than the car market, where Bluetooth is either already available or an easy upgrade (cheaper than a new phone).
Is the changer in the dash? You just get a double din and replace everything the screen flips up then there's a cd drive. The improved audio quality will probably make you forget all about those steering wheel controls.
chinkostu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:49:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
double din
Its a 1.5din fascia, then the actual radio itself is 1 din, it's hard to describe but to fit a 1 din you get an adaptor that fills in the space upfront, for a 2 din you'll be hacking away the ducting for the heaters
The changer is in the boot, OEM fitment. And the wheel controls you could probably forget about except they're quite useful for when you're driving, as the radio requires a slight lean to reach for me!!
Plus it's a car made in 1994, flashy radios just look wrong in the dash ๐ the only real fix to get bluetooth is to fit one of those Yatour units in place of the cd changer, if I can find one to fit a 22 year old plug!
I'd love to put a decent bluetooth unit in one day, but for the cost i may as well buy 100 cd's and carry them around!!
What I mean by saving money is they're spending money having to make all these adapters. If the design is successful and people buy the phones anyway, they're still making loads of profit off each phone. So I'm not sure if the cost of the adapters is negligible in the long run or not.
Jawileth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:35:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit you need to relax. All he implied is you don't need lightning proprietary headphones. He never said he agrees or disagrees with design change. You also look like an idiot when you reply like that whether you're right or wrong
But if you only have wired headphones you HAVE to use the lightning port. He specifically said the port. Not lightning headphones. Anyways, this is reddit, I'm just fitting in.
Jawileth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:43:12 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All I'm gonna say is I can't argue with the last thing you said haha
Dude, calm down. You can buy whatever you want to. It's going to be okay.
am0x ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:49:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well Apple is know for pushing tech or banning old tech to accelerate a transition. It is to their advantage. I mean look at flash.
That being said, most cars in America that are less than 3 years old have Bluetooth built in. This will only make manufacturers want to include it more. While a year ago I would have said 5-6 before this transition, I'm going to say it will be the norm in 2-3 years with all phones. I mean it has been over a year since I have used wired headphones for my phone or had to hook up an aux cord. It's the future whether you want it or not. Hopefully we will be fully wireless within the next 8 years.
Yep but that's just another thing to charge and personally I never had issues with a wire.
am0x ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:43:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yea personally. Personally I do unless I am sitting at home or at work, at which I am listening on my computer and not my phone. I only listen to my phone when traveling around.
Yeah, one Android phone removed the headphone jack this year. But unlike the iPhone, there are many different Android phones and you have choices, albeit the number of good choices is very small.
Also the only reason why Motorola got rid of the headphone jack was because of the rumours that Apple was ditching it. They wouldn't have done it otherwise.
I mean, the first android phone didn't even have a headphone jack, so I guess They would be the first to do that.
apawst8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:09:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's one of those "Apple can do no right" things. If this fails (which is pretty likely), the common thinking becomes, "Apple tried to pioneer this stupid idea and it failed just like everyone thought it would.
If it succeeds and almost every Android becomes wireless in a few years, the common thinking will become, "Apple can't innovate anything, Moto Z was first."
Same here, cd and tape deck, no aux - although I found a neat and strange device in the clearance bin of a truck stop: a bluetooth tape adapter. It has a little section on the side that faces front with a power switch and charge port, plus a corner that opens up to let out a little mic on a tiny cable.
I picked it up for $10 and bought a $5 right-angle usb cable, then trimmed it down with a razor so it could fit when my car sucks the tape in. It's the weirdest stretch of retro adaptation, like a M.2 floppy drive. I dig it.
It's weird, I'm really technical but I cringe at taking off car panels and things like that.
I won't hesitate to disassemble a PC or solder*(corrected) a new connection on my shitty loose audio out port on a stereo, but I am so convinced I will fuck up my car that I am afraid to change the oil or fix my off-track back window.
you drive it into the mechanic and some student getting paid minimum wage takes the panes apart with their greasy hands.
It's meant to be taken apart, just as how it was assembled. Don't be scared. Unless your car is pretty new (say 5 yrs old?) then maintenance is usually covered by the dealer
donny007x ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:39:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Engine/bodywork stuff can be scary, but interiors are easy to work on.
The panels are designed to come apart in a certain way, just like how computer components are installed in a certain order...
There are many guides/videos available on the subject of installing stereos and taking interiors apart.
Swapping your stereo for a new one with Bluetooth is not all that hard to do.
You mentioned that your car has a tape deck, so its probably more than ~12 years old. Back then they didn't do the 'infotainment' thing where climate control and other vehicle stuff is blended together with the radio. Swapping the deck should be easy.
Op delivers. Today all our radios broke so i found this baige, gross 1990s sony amfm cassette radio and a tale to aux adapter. Plugged into my phone for google music streaming. That was also a weird mix of tech generarions.
rebo2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:56:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I tried one of those but there are so few unoccupied stations near me that I was having to change frequencies depending on which side of town I was on.
The adapter literally comes in the box. It still has the jack.
Edit: Since everyone is posting the same thing I'll post things I've said elsewhere in the thread.
I agree that the current lack of ability to charge with headphones of any kind plugged in is a massive and stupid oversight. I suspect a replacement pair of EarPods and 3.5mm adapter with a lighting passthrough added will be made before the end of the year.
I'm not saying they did it right, but I think the lack of 3.5mm jack is far more trivial than anyone makes it out to be, especially since a great many people outraged about it are using Android phones and weren't planning on buying an iPhone anyway.
aaanold ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 01:39:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes but what about when you want to charge and listen at the same time?
That's the one issue I have with it, the Lightning port is small enough they should have easily been able to include what would essentially be a pass through port for charging.
I suspect a new cable will come out in a few months and will be made available as a replacement to owners because that is a massive and stupid oversight.
Generally I would think there'd be enough battery life, but if you use your phone as GPS and have it plugged into the aux port in your car that creates a problem.
Something else that they desperately wanted to fit in there without making it any bigger. I actually saw someone call it massive and bulky compared to the Note 7 which is 5mm narrower and shorter.
I also saw someone speculate that it's actually to prepare us for whatever they have planned next year. Get the outrage out of the way now so it doesn't overshadow an amazing feature.
The reality is that there's a crazy engineering decision we'll only ever get pieces of combined with the Lightning port licensing.
So as a customer, I get a pretty big inconvenience in exchange for a new exciting piece of technology, in the future, that I'm not sure I want and I definitely didn't ask for. Count me out. I was on the fence about going back. This business decision by Apple made it a much easier decision.
And that's perfectly fine, you're entitled to it. It seems as though people are posting that it's a bad idea for everyone, when that simply isn't the case.
I'm sure 3rd parties will make adapters that will connect and have a jack and another lightning pass through. Though that should be what the initial design for the adapter should have been anyways.
Motorola made this exact change with the Moto Z and I figured it wouldn't be a huge problem either. However, I've found that if you leave the adapter attached to your headphones or the aux cord in your car you then can't listen to music.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:00:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, the problem with it being an adapter--even though it is included--is adapters get lost, forgotten, break, etc. They're only $9 in the store right now, so additional ones are not that big of a deal.
The bigger question is what will happen in 2-3 years? The next iPhone could very well not come with an adapter. They could stop making the adapter all together. They could stop allowing licensees from using analog-out on lightning products.
What is the quality of the DAC in the adapter? There really isn't much of any room in the adapter for many of the higher-quality DACs. I'm by far the most curious to see an iFixit teardown of the adapter.
Which I agree is stupid, but I am betting will cause a replacement cable to be made sooner rather than later. I'm sure the media grilled the demo personnel about it and I guarantee they do some kind of exit survey.
Should it have been there from the start? Absolutely, but less people will miss it than we imagine.
I think a lot of people are panicking without realizing that if they use the 3.5mm jack, they will still be perfectly able to continue using it on the 7
Or think of long phone conversations and you need to use the headphones. You can no longer talk on the phone while the phone is charging. Oh yeah of course I can pay 150 more to get wireless buds. Goddammit.
Use a battery case like a ton of people already do? As someone who refuses to use wireless headphones since the audio quality sucks and has thousands of dollars worth of high-end headphones, I'm not bothered by Apple removing the aux jack at all. If anything I'm really excited about not having to carry around a potable amp anymore just to power my daily-use headphones.
Oh for sure. I'm not disagreeing at all. I'll speak for myself when I say in terms of everyday use, I'm not always in need of a charge and think, while it is hindering, wouldn't bother too much in my day-to-day.
zennX ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:40:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Almost consistently if I'm not at home, I'm a music student and musician, unless my ears are otherwise needed I am listening to music. I also carry a wireless charger so i can charge on the go and there lies the problem
To be fair, you can get a new radio put into the dash of your old car for a little over $100 that has an aux port in it. I did this for my '98 Buick LeSabre a while back
Wow are you the moron. Calling someone a dumbass when you can't even understand a hardwired connection will always sound better with a decent pair of headphones then over Bluetooth. Instead of being a fanboy and calling people names, why don't you learn a thing or two about audio technology and stfu
Asshole. You know not everyome can just go out and afford a newer car. Or a car at all. I have nothing to my name except an 83 new yorker and it has a tape deck. So sorry I can't just go to the dealership and buy a new car because i haven't had everything handed to me.
Seriously, you should just never comment if you're gonna be so insulting. Learn what it's like to live without your parents money and maybe you'll humble yourself to the point of feeling bad.
You live in a world where people pay money for phones instead of using a plan? Alright, well I live in the real world where we just pay for our phone bill and upgrade our phone at no cost out of pocket.
Please, continue. I enjoy people completely clueless to the lower scocio-economic classes.
antsugi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:55:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
the phone is the hub, the auxiliaries need to be up to par before the hub makes a change. Apple benefits by now having to make people choose between their products or dealing with the shit Android can give users. Dedicated Apple users don't want to do that, so Apple cashes in a lot harder per customer.
It's a shame, Apple has really nice and innovative technology, but it's a very king-of-the-hill sort of club where you need the whole package to truly enjoy all it offers
[deleted] ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 01:25:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's what it was? Never knew there was a a term for it. I too went through two G4s. Didn't know LG was notorious for that. Is that a software issue? Are there phones getting better?
firelion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:03:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yea the g4 has a hardware issue that guarantees it will get stuck in a boot loop, just a matter of when. There is a subreddit here called r/lgg4 and it was flooded with bootloop posts.
I dunno about their other phones but the way LG handled a defect this bad made me not want to give them anymore of my money.
Thanks. Ya that is super annoying and disappointing because I am a big fan of the phone. Probly the best phone I've used. I might give the V20 at shot given the Samsung recalls.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:55:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Better yet the Axon 7 has insane audio quality.
derek_j ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:59:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Look up the specs for the V20. It's being marketed as the phone for audiophiles. I even saw a review that said it'll be the best quality in a portable music player that you could get without spending $3000 on those new Sony Walkmans.
blamb211 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would say wait for the Pixel phones coming out. I've been loving my Nexus 6P, stock Android is awesome.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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blamb211 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:26:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can understand no SD card, it's disappointing for sure, but a removable battery isn't that big a deal for me. I'm willing to overlook it.
Is the v20 really good? Cause I have a v10 and audio is definitely not it's strong suit
Edit: To be clear, I was talking about the actual phone speakers and got confused for a bit when the DAC came into play, I know it's not used for the actual phone speakers and I responded without thinking.
You can't judge a DAC by how the tiny speakers on a cellphone sound. It's like listening to high end speakers on youtube... through... your speakers....
You're right, i don't know why I associated it with the phones speakers even though I know it only comes on once I plug in my headphones or an aux cord. That was my bad. I also thought in the original comment I commented on, the guy was just talking about the v20 phone in general, not when headphones are plugged in. I like my v10, I just think the phones speaker sucks.
mon01ith ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:48:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes absolutely. The DAC going into that phone is phenomenal.
lit0st ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 01:37:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think anyone who's big into audio should be balking at using a line-out dock instead
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 02:01:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
By big into audio he means they own a pair of Klipsch headphones and like to make fun of beats.
That's kind of the point... isn't it? If you're in to audio, you're probably already carrying multiple devices/cables. Adding another isn't much of a selling point.
I can vouch for this. As someone who actually is big on audio, I carry a Dragonfly Red USB DAC and a lightning adapter to plug my ATH M70X headphones into. It sounds better than any phone 3.5mm jack because nearly all phones have subpar DACs.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
That will be me. Even though I don't listen to music on my phone if I want high quality I still don't want it to sound completely terrible compared to my desktop setup. I will have to switch to android when it is time to upgrade.
I wouldn't say I'm "big into audio". But I literally use my phone as my music player. My current iPhone(5) will likely be the last Iphone I ever own
I always figured changing from the iOS ecosystem to android would be somewhat of a hassle. But less of a hassle than requiring an adaptor to have the functionality of a headphone jack.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:10:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
HTC 10 went big with a 24 bit dac whereas iPhone removed the dac completely lolz
cyan2k ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:30:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but lightning bypasses whatever shitty DAC is in the phone. The new Audeze Sine lightning headphones have their own DAC which is far far better than everything else on the mobile market.
Too bad iPhone is the only thing with a lightning port, if it was type c which is quickly becoming the standard, it'd make more sense. Can't imagine how Shitty the dac must be in that $9 dongle.
pmdevita ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:29:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There are a few android with great DACs. The LG G5 has a module with a high end one, the HTC 10 (which I am using right now) has a nice one, and the LG V20 coming out soon will have a good one too.
The V10 has great DAC as well. That's what I'm using
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:49:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know morons who'll spend $160 on those airpods instead of bluetooth headphones. Can we trade friends?
cyan2k ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:31:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know that I'm in the minority, and I understand why everyone is pissed, heck I've got plenty of high end headphone gear which I can't use with the new iPhone anymore without a probably shitty adapter, but I'm somehow still okay with the change... perhaps I'm just crazy?!
The reason I got an iPhone after years of Android was the superior DAC the iPhone had. It isn't perfect but far better than what every other phone had.
The fact that audio over lightning is digital and bypasses whatever shitty DAC is in the phone is a huge game changer. Everyone who listened to Audeze headphones knows how audio orgasmic their stuff is, and their Audeze Sine lightning headphones have their own DAC, and you can bet your ass that their DAC is far far better than everything else available on the mobile market which means more clarity, better resolution and higher volume without distortion.
I really am looking forward to high end mobile audio quality that wasn't possible until now.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:39:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Most audiophiles would either use a standalone USB DAC or take it directly from the headphone output into a portable headphone amp. Headphones having a built-in DAC will likely just be overpriced and not sound very good in comparison to a standalone unit.
Oh perfect, a higher current draw, so it uses the battery faster. It's fine, I'll just put it on charge.... Oh wait. I can't. I really feel like I'm living in the future.
Coolflip ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:12:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People have never gone to Apple for their audio. Even ever since the original iPod, they have never offered a custom EQ. A fucking music listening device that doesn't let you change how the music sounds.
If you don't know how to tune an EQ, learn. It will then your shitty $20 earbuds into Bose.
Prepare for this trend to follow to all flagship androids within a year or two.
Kvahsir ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:43:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
LGV20 should be their new best friend then.
Considering buying it just to use it as a MP3 player.
avboden ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:52:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If they're "big into audio" then they'd appreciate the better audio quality over a digital output and a better wireless standard.
derzaub ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 23:37:50 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Big into audio" and running their fancy 500$ headphones off a cheap/weak phone DAC? Seriously? Audiophiles will be the community least affected by this.
Tiny311 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:48:14 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure if youre being serious or not...
Investing $500+ into a setup for a commute only to not be able to use it and be told to buy a second pair of lesser headphones for your phone that doesnt need a dac or buy bluetooth headphones will greatly effect them.
I know a lot of people that have a weak dac for their phones for the commute but have a better setup at work, and dont feel like investing in multiple sets of headphones.
I dont know a single audiophile who listens to music on their phone.. they use hifi "Mp3" players attached to dac/amps
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:22:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lots of budget audiophiles listen to music on their phone. All but the most finely attuned ears with super pricey equipment can't tell the difference between lossless and 320kbps. You can get pretty good sound with a phone and entry-level audiophile headphones ($100-200).
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:51:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Plus, this opens the door to headphones which have their own built-in DAC, and possibly their own built-in amp! Pretty cool if you ask me. Meanwhile I'm over here with my Axon 7, and my external USB DAC connected via an Android OTG adapter.
Audeze is already making headphones like that and they have been since before this announcement. I listened to a pair at my local Hi-Fi shop and they sounded great (but were more than I'm currently interested in spending).
There are way better audiophile phones on android anyway.
S4VN01 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:04:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't get this. People who are big into audio would NEVER use the onboard DAC in the iPhone anyway. It would be digital out to an external DAC. This function isn't going away, since that was always available with lightning.
No222 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:34:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not exactly. Audiophiles prefer to use the lightning or USB port for audio playback. Analog vs digital
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:43:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The only issue for me would be charging and listening simultaneously. I'm fine with the iPhone because I usually only need to charge it at night, but if they do this to the iPad I'll be real annoyed.
joevsyou ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:00:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bluetooth!
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 75 points ยท Posted at 01:11:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
After browsing the first 20 or so comments, I realized Motorola has completely fallen off the face of the world. The new moto z has no headphone jack. It does have some really interesting design choices and the ability to use mods which is pretty dope.
Generally that phone has flopped. I didnt buy it specifically due to the missing headphone jack and I know a lot of other people who didn't as well. Im really curious how this will actually affect a company like apple though
shishdem ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:58:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The thing is, even if they removed all ports and speakers from the iPhone, they always have a following and with iPhones you don't have a choice. But in the Android world? If I think your model doesn't have the right shade of dark gray cover I will keep looking until I find it.
Chigurrh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:44:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That might be my next phone. I honestly don't care about a headphone jack. Went bluetooth and haven't used an auxiliary cable or headphone wire in months.
babyd90 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:07:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not an audiophile by any means and I've had the z force since launch and haven't had a single time where I needed charging and headphones at the same time. Plus if you got the external battery mod you can charge and listen at the same time. Granted I might be an exception but I knew it wasn't going to be a big deal to me. Not to mention it's usb type c so I needed to buy a few new usb cables for a few dollars on Amazon. Everyone shits all over Motorola mean while I loved my Droid turbo and now my moto z force. It's been my best phone so far.
Chigurrh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:34:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pre Bluetooth, I can't think of a time when I charged and used the audio jack at the same time. It's just not that common of a situation. I could see doing it in a car, but newer cars let you play audio over the USB connection.
I'm also a huge proponent of reversible and more flexible standards like lightning and USB c. Really not a fan of micro usb.
I also find the external battery mod pretty appealing.
Literally typing this comment on the Force. Excellent device and very happy with it even without the headphone jack
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:28:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I also have a z force. Honestly the thing is ridiculous. I'm easily able to squeeze 3 days of use on it doing the same things I'd get one day from my note 5. On top of that, the mods are really cool and I'm excited to see where that goes or if it just disappears.
Which apparently does have a headphone jack. Figure that.
Nicd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:54:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not to mention that with the Moto Z, Android was the first to remove the headphone jack (it's even thinner than the iPhone, too!). But that doesn't make for a good joke I guess.
John_Bot ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 05:28:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No...
It's because there are TONS of Android phones and you have plenty of options... Some are terrible, some are great... If you don't like that idea, then buy a different Android phone. With an iPhone. That's it. You get your iPhone and have to live with it. There's no variation, nothing that lets you pick and choose things that you find important in a phone and prioritize them. You get your iPhone. And you better like it.
Nicd ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:56:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well there is the iPhone 6S and iPhone SE, both of which have a headphone jack.
So either buy an out of date iPhone or a state of the art android which is much better specs for probably the same price, hmmm such a hard choice that one is.
Nicd ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:32:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's funny since iPhones have traditionally stayed up to date a lot longer than Android phones. The iPhone 5, released in 2012, will still get the new iOS 10, whereas the Nexus 5 (Nexus is usually hailed by Android users as best in class with regards to updates), released in 2013, will not be getting updates.
You can't compare specs directly either. iPhone 6S still only has 2 GB of memory and a dual-core processor, compared to Android flagships' 4-6 GB and octacores. Yet it runs extremely smoothly.
That's hilarious. Have you tried to use the OS of an updated, outdated iPhone? It's absolutely horrendous. This is deliberate.
Nicd ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:58:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just reset and installed iOS 9.3 onto an iPhone 4S. I didn't see any major issues. I have seen similar smaller slowdowns on Android phones I have tried.
But the thing is that since android phones let us do what we want it's extremely easy to update, the Nexus 5 for example, to Nougat on your own. You're obviously to far into Apple to see that they are objectively not the best.
The only main reasons to buy iPhone is because you really like iOS or brand loyalty. I think android software is much better, atleast for me, with all the easy customisation and I believe brand loyalty is what causes stalls in technology. Why should Apple innovate and do new things that are better for customers when people will buy them no matter if they do things like take out the headphone jack and force you to but ยฃ100+ headphones. Even the "innovations" they try to do is stuff thats already been done on android phones.
All apple care about is money. Now I'm not saying samsung or LG or HTC or many others care about the customers more but there is so many options with android you can pretty much pick a phone tailored to your needs and not just the couple choices.
I've changed from the Galaxy S3 to the LG G3 and now to the Oneplus 3. I had great choice and picked the phone best suited to me each time and I have loved all of these phones. iPhones barely feel like they've update in a few years.
Nicd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:15:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't own an iPhone and I have never owned one. It's not for me, there is not enough freedom. In fact I'm planning to buy an Android phone (probably a Moto Z without a headphone jack in fact) this month, so maybe don't assume too many things. :P
extremely easy to update, the Nexus 5 for example, to Nougat on your own
How? Can it be done without the command line? Will it get updates automatically? Will everything work as it should? And having to do it on your own is the Android ecosystem's big problem. Being able to do it on your own is good, having to do it just to keep it updated is not.
All apple care about is money.
All any big company cares about is money. Customer satisfaction is cared about only because brings in more money. It's a balancing act.
As for the choice of device, it's a double edged sword. The Android market as I currently see it is flooded with black rectangles with displays on the front. All have nearly the same specs and differentiating on specs alone is not interesting for me as a consumer. Most differentiation is in the bloat the put on top of the OS. But then there's the updates, or lack of. Bet on the wrong horse and your phone will be without updates after 2 years. It seems like a big game of optimization between getting updates, having to deal with bloat, having proper support from the manufacturer, and specs.
The Moto Z is the only Android phone in the last couple of years that has actually made me think "that's cool" because of the mods. And even it has problems like no headphone jack, maybe no updates (everyone seems to be saying Motorola is shit in this matter), and being really thin.
Yawra ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 03:22:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I own this phone, the higher end model, the Moto Z Force. It's excellent. Comes with a Type-C to 3.5 adapter in the box. I use it if I need it. Don't miss the headphones jack.
That jack is ancient, and will be gone from new devices eventually. It wasn't necessary for Moto to drop it, but it's gonna happen soon anyway and, despite my general dislike of Apple, I think dropping the port will help shift the industry towards a better standard more quickly. Hopefully.
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Yawra ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:04:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly I bought the phone for the insane battery life and charging speed, the shatterproof screen, the modularity, the near stock Android, the clever Moto Actions, and the top of the line hardware. Missing a built in port to plug in headphones was not nearly enough of a detriment to outweigh every thing else.
I rarely listen to music, and the adaptor works on those occasions I need to. Everybody values certain aspects of phones differently. For example, I care about the above mentioned aspects, but don't care as much about music, gaming, or camera. For me, the Z Force was the perfect phone. For some, the lack of a certain port would be a deal breaker. I can totally respect that, and that's why it's great we have phones that cater to every niche, such as the LG V20 with its 4 DACs. To each, his own!
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Yawra ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:31:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I use my phone frequently in my work selling phones and in my personal life. Got a girlfriend I gotta text all day haha. I also love to tinker with Android. Honestly I've only had maybe a few instances where I've used all my battery in a day. It can be annoying, and if I can get a phone that won't die on me, I will, even if it dying on me is a rare occurrence, I'll take that option. I'd rather have the question of "will my battery last through X?" be a question I never have to consider. Motorola, in my opinion, knowledge, and experiences, makes phones with the best battery life while still providing others aspects I value. The modularity of the Z is just a bonus, and a cool one with lots of potential at that. I like to have new toys.
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Yawra ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:58:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Status symbol appeal is a huge reason iPhones are popular. This is irrelevant to me. I buy the phone I think is best for me. Even if it's a Motorola in a world where the average person only knows Apple and Samsung, and any response other than those two brands to the question of "what phone do you have?" elicits a blank stare. The Z is far from a status symbol, but it is a hardware beast, has mostly unmolested software, and the modular concept is a fun new idea. The fun new idea part is what I meant by the toy comment. It's awesome to have a phone that's above average at nearly everything, but can be made to excel greatly at one specific task with the simple and temporary addition of a module. It's a cool idea, coupled with a solid phone. That's why I picked it. And that's how everyone should pick their phone, by what it can do compared to what you want it to do, factoring in price and availability.
Like I said my friend, to each his own. I suggest you make a mental list of aspects of your S5 you are not pleased with, and compare it with current options, then factor for your budget and decide if the money spent would be worth the benefits a new phone would bring you. I might suggest the OnePlus 3 and upcoming Moto Z Play (the Play has a headphone jack), both are excellent, in the $400 range since you seem wary of spending a lot on a less than necessary upgrade, and will be an improvement in every aspect over the S5. Best of luck to you.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:16:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's why I got a One+3, why would I ever need a display on a phone that is higher in resolution than 1920x1080?
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:02:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What is the fetish with making phones slimmer and lighter? How weak are these people's arms?!?! I'd rather have a heavier, bulkier phone, that can take some abuse and may not even need a case. Then you wouldn't have to keep sacrificing things like ports and removable storage and battery life could be much longer.
Fnhatic ยท 136 points ยท Posted at 02:03:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I don't get it either. Everyone wants bigger phones for a bigger screen, but the problem is people can't fit a phone somewhere because it's too wide, literally nobody has a problem of it being too thick.
If it's already going to be the size of my entire hand, why would I care about it being thinner? Even if it were half a millimeter thick, it still would be big.
Making a cookie sheet thinner doesn't mean it's suddenly easier to carry with me everywhere.
If you buy two, and glue them together, it will not only DOUBLE your battery life, but make a great shock absorbant case for when you drop it, and is probably cheaper than apple's brand cases anyway
My ridiculously small pockets in my pants(woman's pants) can't even fit an iPhone 5 let alone anything newer. Certain pants I wear I have to use my back pocket. Which is ridiculous.
I have the Galaxy S6 Active. I've dropped this thing SO many times and gotten nothing more than minor scuffs on the frame. I've spilled drinks on it, stepped on it, you name it. Never needed a case, never needed maintenance.
Dynorawr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:01:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just got an S6 and the first thing I did was to get a bulky as hell battery case. Now I have super longevity, I can drop it and it won't necessarily shatter into pieces of broken hopes and dreams, and it has a satisfying heft to it.
That and it doesn't exactly make it more comfortable to hold. Bending screens might do a little for that, but overal super thin phones are flat and have annoying edges. I'm currently running a Moto G and I love that it's a bit more chubby with a rounded back and edges. It's very comfortable to hold like that. And its lack of a humongous screen resolution makes its battery life pretty sweet for a smartphone. I don't get this fapping on thinness and screen resolution, at all.
Oh I don't think Apple refuses to put in removable storage to make it thinner...I think they just want people to shell out more money for the higher storage models. This way you can get people to pump out big bucks for the 64 GB or 128 GB model instead of them getting the 16 GB model and gettting a 128GB sd card for 20 bucks.
Yeah, so logic would mean a 16GB iPhone 7 would be cheaper than a 32GB iPhone 7. Nothing I'm saying is relevant, bc I think the people that would be the first to upgrade to 7 aren't the kind of people worried about that much of a price difference anyway.
No. Instead of having a 16GB iPhone 7 for $649, they have a 32GB iPhone 7 for $649.
Before it was a 16GB iPhone 6 and 6s for $649. $649 is always the price of the base model of an iPhone, they're not going to offer a new release iPhone (except if it's the SE) under $649. So you're getting more for your money technically.
And yeah, many people (including me) aren't worried about the price difference because it's free if you trade in your 6s :)
They're not trying to make it thinner. They're making room for newer things. Like a bigger battery. More speaker. Hectic feedback. Just go read some articles on why they're doing it, and it makes sense. I know change can be scary but it sort of needs to happen.
Lightweight is pretty much the most important factor for a portable device that you use in your hand or carry around in your pocket. My 88 g iPod touch feels like Star Trek technology in comparison.
Performance is good enough for me, so the lighter the better, doesn't need to have arm fatigue to be noticeably better. My iPod is invisible in my pocket, my phone isn't.
jahoney ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:04:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is removable storage really that important when you can buy a 256gb phone with extremely fast memory? Far faster than the removable memory and much more consistent.
Devices in general are getting thinner over time, including Apple's laptops, and it was also cited as a reason for removing the headphone jack on iPhone. Give me more features and/or battery instead.
No you're right. Ive never even been outside. I dont even own a phone. My friends whom all break their phones are also outdoor bootcamp instructors. Im jealous of how cool and fascinating you are.
Wouldn't lighter phones reduce the amount of shock from an impact and reduce the likelihood of them breaking? I'm no physicist so maybe that's not the case but it seems intuitive to me.
I absolutely hate low quality audio. When my sister plays music from her lap top i tell her to shut that noise off (literally sounds like noise pollution) and offer to buy her speakers.
I feel like companies could come out with 2 phones one for me and ops style. We preffer the abuse protection and wouldnt mind the weight gains for extra features and capabilites. One for you and your gang on the beauty side of things... Im guessing companies don't think they would make as much money this way though.
Edit: Or someone could make that modular phone that seems soo awesome like last year. That would be cool too.
Edit2: Then maybe iphone users could ad a headphone jack.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:51:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can't add a case that expands the battery, adds removable storage, increases speaker strength, adds back the headphone jack, etc... Slimness has been part of the rationale for removing all these.
Those Moto Mods look nice but you just know they will eventually change the shape of the phone and all your shiny mods will be trash. All these "innovations" are just creating more and more e-trash every day that can't be repurposed or recycled...
Zanowin ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 01:52:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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Chigurrh ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 10:46:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People really don't know what they are missing.
CB_Ranso ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:17:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Im hesitant cause sound quality and battery life. Have you ever found either of this to be a problem?
90guys ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:59:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm on an HTC A9, so battery is already a problem, but it doesn't hurt as much as you would think. Sound isn't complete shit, if you don't mind a little skip here or there or overall slightly compressed sounding quality. If you are fine with the standard speakers in the average car while you are driving you will have no problems with quality.
Biggest con by far is having to charge them, but it really isn't that bad. I keep two portable chargers with me anyway (thanks HTC) so they hardly ever run out of battery.
Not having a cord is PHENOMENAL! No more tangles and they can go like 30 feet from my phone! Being able to walk around and do stuff while listening to music while the phone is charging is amazing! Great for exercising too.
CB_Ranso ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:22:22 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I both work a desk job where I listen to music, and I also frequently enjoy my Netflix at home, in bed, with my headphones on and my phone plugged in.
Nothing like video playback to drain a battery, so not being able to supply power to my phone while watching movies will dramatically hurt battery life. It's just silly... how hard would it have been for Apple to build some seals around the headphone jack?
They could have done it, but then they would have needed to reduce the size of improved Tapic Engine and other stuff, which would have been easy. I'm just saying that they didn't just remove it, they used the increased space for better specs.
For your case, this is why they are pushing Bluetooth/wireless, as both a money-based move and a technological-standpoint.
Yeah, I get the idea behind pushing wireless, but you can't use BT on many airlines still. I fly a lot so this would affect me noticeably. Also, BT often does not deliver good sound quality, and in RF-noisy environments can also skip and randomly disconnect mid-song.
I've owned two different sets of BT earphones, and in both cases performance has been merely tolerable at best.
As for the Taptic Engine, I'm not actually clear why we need one on the home button. It's a small button - there's only so much you can do with it until it becomes user unfriendly. Imo, single click, double click, Touch ID, and double-tap for Reachability is more than enough to confuse the average iPhone user.
Also, BT often does not deliver good sound quality.
Expensive ones due, as they are better speaker and allow higher bandwidth.
The new Apple AirPods actually aren't Bluetooth (though they support it for non iPhone 7 devices). They are using a new wireless codec that allow for 320Kbps MP3 / 256Kbps AAC (though it could go up to 320Kbps for converted CD's I guess) with better efficiency.
I'm not actually clear why we need one on the home button.
I'm guessing to make it water-resistant. The new home button doesn't click like the current one, it instead is pressure sensitive and the Taptic Engine will simulate a click feel.
Arkajion ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:05:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"But don't worry, we're going to include a small, like puny as fuck, adapter for your headphones. If you lose it, and we know you will, you can buy more from us at the everyday low price of $29.99!"
It's $9 firstly. Secondly, you leave them attached to whatever headphones you use. I agree this isn't the smartest decision, but people are making it seem like Armageddon.
Arkajion ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:14:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yea now people are going to need bluetooth headphones to jack off and what if they connect to the wrong thing lets say that speaker downstairs in the living room.
[deleted] ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 22:56:29 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
iPhones aren't all that bad, but 90% of the people that have worked at my Verizon store prefer Android phones... Regular people just assume the iPhone is the best phone.
Psudopod ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:19:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Well, that's two very different populations with very different needs. I was taking to someone about phones just yesterday, and I think we figured it out. She used to have a Motorola something or other Android, but she told me it ran slow and just got slower over time. She has an apple now and just uses it as a candy crush machine. Like, if you want to pay a premium for something that "just works," a trusted brand so you don't need to sift through all the shit droid bloatmonsters, minus all the features and customization of a decent Android that could just confuse the technical illiterate.
Let's be honest. Subtle features = bug to the technical illiterate. My grandpa used to need help with all the "popups" that were just applications asking for permission to update. A lot of people see an apple app spontaneously shut down and think they must have triggered it, because without an error window with a labelled bug they wouldn't even know they just experienced a crash.
I'm willing to do the consumer's research and do some learning, some more research to get customizing, watch some YouTube videos and do some fixing, and in the end my Nexus can do some damn impressive things. She does not want to worry about more features which could be more ways to break, a brand with a lot of support and repair workers.
... Apple is box cake. Android is baking.
You know you'll get Devil's Food Cake from a box but I think I can swing a Schichttorte or something crazier. Ingredients can be cheaper, I can add my own flavors, but it requires more knowledge, or at least more effort. Maybe you like Devil's Food Cake, that's all you need.
He carefully lowers himself to his knees in the dark, concrete basement below his condo. "Holy Father, please allow me the patience to address these non-believers. Everyday you make it harder and harder to keep my values true." Jobs looks down from his golden framed portrait with his wise eyes casting an aura of calmness over the boy. Suddenly, the iPhone in his hands lights up, and the voice of Siri speaks out from nowhere. "Listen not to the non-believers child, for they are compromised with their ability to judge value over price. Continue your path to righteousness, and transcend beyond reason into a better place. A place where customisation comes purely in cases and a choice of three case
colours. A place where your individuality can be expressed by your vast array of converters and adapters. A place where these droid heathens cannot taint your undivided faith in the one brand. Have faith young one, and one day there will only be one phone. A singularity in the world where rules are set not by the individual man, but by the religion he follows."
So you didn't like working for them so now you choose to use products that aren't Microsoft to "stick it to them".
Yeah, I'm sure they're super upset lol.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:02:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And I'm sure I don't give a shit if they are or aren't. It's a choice if you want to use a product then it's called freedom of choice, but you idiots bust on people for their choice of product...go move to Soviet Russia 1975 if you want shit forced on you to use.
People aren't arguing you shouldn't have freedom to choose the inferior product. Go ahead and waste more money on something that is a walled garden and doesn't perform as well.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:49:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'll waste it because you don't have the money for it.
Yeah lol Iphones are so expensive I could never afford one.
You sound like a teenager with their first job trying to brag to their friends who don't have one.
You waste it because you are an Apple fanboy plain and simple. You'd buy any garbage they release and praise it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:46:46 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep I'm a teenager in a $250K house, own two cars and have almost $100K in my checking account. Want me to send you a screenshot of my banking app balance so you STFU and go back to playing with yourself in glee on your Android device?
Lmao see there you go again, trying to brag that you have money as if anyone gives a shit. Just like a kid would do.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:56:25 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, I'm a successful kid too. Obviously you give a shit you keep replying to me. Library's closing soon don't keep mommy waiting outside the front entrance.
Jcoulombe311 you're probably one of those assholes who wants to buy an iPhone but can't afford the monthly payments or has shitty credit so has to settle for the $39 piece of shit Android Go Phone.
I'm not an alt account asshole guess you're too stupid to click on someone's profile to see how long they've had it. I created this account 9 months ago but I guess since you're too stupid to do basic Reddit you deserve your cheap ass trac phone.
Nah it's 100% an alt account. A quick look at your post history, your username, and the fact that you randomly posted on just my single comment out of this whole thread minutes after I replied to your other account proves it. All you did was show that you made the other account after this one, to post on /r/The_Donald with.
And my "cheap ass trac phone" is better than your overpriced paperweight lmao.
Unlike you I just don't feel the need to try to brag about being able to afford a product that is only slightly more expensive than the rest to feed my insecurities lol.
But seriously who in the adult working world can't afford an iPhone? Teenagers who save up for a couple weeks working at their entry level jobs can afford one.
Nope, just pointing out that it's ironic that you keep having to claim how much money you have and how you can afford apple products, when I probably make more than you do.
Also, you've outed yourself as the same person who owns both accounts.
Or like the people who like to pay more money for an inferior product like an iPhone? The iPhone 7, which isn't even out yet, has worse specs than the galaxy s6, which came out about a year and a half ago. It's your money spend it however you want it, but I'd rather spend less money and get better performance.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:46:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I'm talking about everything else as well. The screen is only the beginning. I also have an s7 and I love it. I had an s6 previously and the only two complaints I had about it were fixed in the s7, being the battery life and the non expandable storage. The s7 has a 3000 mAh battery where the s6 had only a 2500. I'm having a hard time finding specifics on exact speeds of the processors in iPhones because apple think people will get overwhelmed by the information or something. The processor in the iPhone 7 is an A10 and it's "faster" than the processor that was in the iPhone 6. The processor in the s7 is a quad core snapdragon at 2.2ish ghz and 1.5 ghz. The s7 has 4 gigs of ram. No clue how much the iPhone 7 has but doubtless it will be "plenty" of memory of the apple flock. Now to a few things apple does tell us about their phone: the iPhone 7 can record 1920x1080 video at 30 or 60 fps. Strangely the iPhone 7 will have to interpolate that video to even play it back on the same phone with which you shot it because the iPhone 7's screen is a 1334x750 led display. The s6 as well as the s7 both have a 2560x1440 amoled display which is just hands down a better display. The s6 and s7 can record video at the same resolutions and framerates, but you have the distinct advantage of actually watching the video you shot :oooooooo apple are very quickly becoming the Razer of the cell phone industry. Charge an absolute premium price for garbage tier products but put them in a flashy box and a flashy case and people gobble it up.
krijoh92 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:00:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Username kinda checks out
Shiznot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:28:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
dumb fuck technical people like Windows users who are too stupid to move to a different OS
If technical people moved to a different OS most would choose Linux as it's generally a better development environment. Also tech people tend to hate apple for the same reasons they hate beats headphones...
Also, businesses run on windows, enterprise support for apple barely exists. Knowing Mac is optional as a sys admin, knowing windows is required.
Edit: Of course he supports trump, that explains a lot.
Windows 10 is about 100 times more complete than OSX. The compatibility with softwares is unmatched (for research, simulation, edition, etc) and the hardware it's used with is years ahead.
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[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 23:13:17 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can't tell if you're a horrible troll or just mentally handicapped. It was a pun. They got rid of the headphone jack. They took the "jack off".
Translation of your translation, I bought an iPhone only because it cost more and not because of its specs, which are notably worse than phones that came out years before it.
A solid lash out, courtesy of iPhone buyer's remorse.
LucaYo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:55:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Though I won't agree with any of the mean comments, I don't think anyone who kept an iPhone has buyer's remorse, maybe you're being sarcastic but if you're not it's baffling that you think iPhones are that bad...
[deleted] ยท -33 points ยท Posted at 23:13:06 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Buyer's remorse? LOL nice try I've owned iPhones since the 4 and have never had buyer's remorse because I make enough money to buy one and not worry about what it costs.
Don't exasperate yourself in this thread, man. You don't need to prove anything. Some of my closest friends are iPhone users. Guess what? It has zero bearing on my life. Oh and it's almost Friday. Cheer up.
dumahim ยท 129 points ยท Posted at 22:42:35 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sadly I could see Android phones doing the same thing soon.
[deleted] ยท 81 points ยท Posted at 00:38:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually the very first android phone ever, the T-mobile G1 didn't have a headphone jack. You either had to use the crappy bundled earphones. Or shell out for an adapter that didn't work half the time and looked stupid.
compelx ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:55:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I reromed mine after an eternity thinking I could have a music box for the road and then I went to plug it in and... well it now sits in a drawer next to the Archos Internet Tablet 5.
The Sony Ericsson W550i, a Walkman branded phone, was incredibly cool, but only had some crazy proprietary port for the headphones. I got through a few pairs of those, I can tell you.
And it was awful. Let's not repeat the no headphones jack of the g1. I gave it to my dad so he could trade it in for 200 on a note 4.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:24:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, I ended up changing phones for this exact reason. I still have the G1 somewhere though. I like to dig it out every once in a while ti see how far android has come
I seriously doubt they'll release an updated model with the headphone jack. The only feasible exception is if they continue the SE line (which isn't the most-updated, flagship line), but even then I'd be really surprised.
extoxic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:22:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There is also the iPhone 6s which is faster then all those Androids and comes with a jack plug
I love 'speed tests', no app is the exact same on android and Apple.
Do we compare how long it takes to boot Photoshop on mac, Windows and linux as key features to desktops, laptops etc?
And if an app opens half a second faster on most iOS devices does anyone truly care? There's a lot more important things to think about.
Screen size, power capacity and charge time (inc is it removable battery in this), resolution, ergonomics, cpu ram and gpu, memory, specific features, privacy etc. Are all things everyone has considered more important over the years of smart phones compared to speed tests.
Literally only see speed tests crop up from Apple users as it's the last thing left to say they have an advantage in.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 02:05:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Those aren't true alternatives. You're suggesting that someone needs to pay for an outdated phone to get what they want if they wish to stick with Apple. Apple doesn't exactly have the best track record with outdated devices. On top of that, at some point those people will have to purchase a used phone to continue getting what they want if they wish to stick with Apple.
Your solutions aren't real options. They're options, but they're hardly viable if someone wishes to keep up-to-date functionality.
Its odd to me that iphone users don't understand the benefit of non monopololies in buisnessess...android come in all shapes and sizes and your options are unlimited. It also allows for inter competition and growth.
Probably because there are countless options and only one phone that doesn't have a 3.5jack. One company made a design decision, just like Apple is only one company, except Apple is the only source for an iOS phone.
With Android you can get a Google, LG, Huawei, Samsung, Motorola, or a Sony phone, all with different options, or lack of options.
Yeah, there's a droid phone that doesn't have an aux jack, but you aren't forced to get it to upgrade your phone. And the iOS won't bog down an old phone because the ability to auto upgrade is limited based on the model. Apple puts people in a predicament where upgrading is kind of mandatory, or your phone slows down, has limited features, and is viewed as obsolete by others.
(I'm not sure if iPhones still face the update that slows you down problem, but I remember it being a big deal a Fe years back)
Panaka ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:54:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Assuming you're in the US, the Moto Z is only available on Verizon and Lenovo is dropping the ball on marketing again.
Oh won't worry. I'm sure there's a different thread making fun of how iPhone wasn't the first to do this.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:10:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The difference is that there are an endless stream of Android phones on the market. If one doesn't have a headphone jack, an SD card, a super high-res screen, a large screen, a small screen, a built-in thermal camera, waterproofing, etc, then you can just move on to a different model that does have what you need.
When it was apparent that the Moto Z wasn't going to have the jack, the reaction was "Thats stupid, I'll just get this other one."
With the iPhone, you're pretty much fucked going forward.
Why are you making variety and flexibility out to be a bad thing? We're bad because we have options to choose from while you're stuck with a stupid decision over and over?
No no no, I'm saying you cant claim your phone has every single feature that every android phone in the world has just because that other hardware also runs android OS. Also would like to point out i don't support the headphone hack omission and like diversity in hardware. What I don't like is claiming every feature because of the diverse choices of hardware, which seems to be what most users do.
Ex. "Android does this!" while having a phone that actually doesn't have that hardware, they can still claim the feature. It's like saying my laptop with no wifi card has a wifi card because ubuntu has some drivers that will allow usage of wifi. Idk thats just a simple analogy and is probably bad in a hundred different ways lol
Eh, that may be true for some, I guess...but when it comes to hardware in the whole "iPhone vs Android" debate, it's kinda like apples and oranges. It's easier for an OEM like Motorola to leave out a feature like a headphone jack in the spirit of making a cheaper/thinner device because if want an Android device with a headphone jack there are still plenty of other options.
The comparison may be more relevant if we're talking about the Nexus line (because of their direct affiliation with Google) or even the Samsung Galaxy/Note model lines (because of their massive popularity), but even then it's a stretch to think the impact is the same across all users of Android as an OS vs iOS users.
Plus, it's noteworthy because it's rare that such a popular product line chooses to remove a feature/component...especially when it's one as widely used as an analog headphone jack.
Personally, I really hope this experiment goes really bad for Apple. Is it because I think Android rulez and the iPhone sucks? No. I do prefer Android but think Apple makes great products...I just hope this change is so obviously unpopular that other phone makers don't decide to follow suit.
I agree, I hope apple regrets the decision to omit the jack, but they never go back on decisions so I doubt we'll ever see an iphone with a jack, unfortunately. I guess ill be stuck on my jailbroken 6s until I find an android phone with hardware I like.
If you do switch, do yourself a favor and limit your search to Nexus devices (or whatever Google is going to be branding their signature devices in the future).
Well, do that if you don't want a phone that's always at least 6 to 12 months behind in software updates (and that's assuming the OEM even chooses to provide updates) and full of carrier bloat.
Good deal...that's part of the reason I make my suggestion, though...many newer Android models have encrypted bootloaders that make them either impossible to root or require you to jump through hoops to do so.
At the very least, something you may want to research before choosing a particular model. Nexus phones, of course, can still be rooted using traditional methods.
chickdan ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:11:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not as big of a deal because it uses USB-C which is infinitely more universal that the Lightning connector.
The Motorola Z is at least extremely thin with the lightning port for people who would actually want that. It's only ~.204 inches while the iPhone 7 is still stuck at .28 inches. That's about 37% thicker.
They all have removable batteries, they're just a bit harder to replace than devices designed for field-replaceable batteries. iPhone 4 could've been planned for a field replament at some point, since its back cover slides so cleanly off after removing the two screws locking it in place. If you have the right tool(s), it's a less than 5 minute job. Earlier and later iPhone models made it somewhat (or a lot) more time-consuming and/or difficult.
ffstriker ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 02:59:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Many of us like to carry a spare on the go, or upgrade to a bigger battery since all manufacturers insist on batteries with shit life. So basically, you're talking out your ass.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:59:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can't name a single person who carries an extra battery around with them, nor anyone who did when mainstream Android phones still had the capability. If you're going to carry around another battery, you might as well just buy a piggyback battery case thing for the phone.
[deleted] ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 02:15:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Not mine. The next one in the series has one too. LG masterrace
lFallout ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:08:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had a g3 but I can't stand lg anymore :/ the quality control really irked me and on top was the unrecognized hardware issues
gallowdp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:05:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same here. Randomly stopped recognizing my sim card and microsd. I just switched to a Galaxy S5 and love it
lFallout ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:37:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's honestly the same story for me! I had rooted on kit Kat to fix the headphone issue always popping Google play, stupidly removed root and tried updating when my Bluetooth stopped working. Finally flashed to newest Ota and my phone stopped reading my sim and sd. It was fine before that but the rma/cs stories are deff sketch
Converted to LG when I got tired of Samsung phones having too much uninstallable shit on them. Recently replaced my broken LG G3 (a friend knocked it over while charging) with a Motorola Moto G4 Plus. Decent phone with a good camera, but it's super bare bones. If I wasn't out of work and money I would've probably bought a LG G5. Looks incredible.
Sorry for the rant, I just miss tapcode so much.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:45:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not many, I think? 95% of the ones I've seen can have their battery removed.
Urgranma ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most of the premium android phones fixed that issue by including a large battery and superior battery life. Don't need a removable battery if it'll outlast an iphone.
Most don't outlast the iPhone though, and those that do have way larger batteries than the comparable iPhone. The iPhone is ridiculously optimized in terms of power consumption, way more than any Android phone.
jaab1997 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:03:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well that's because they CAN do that. It's impossible for the software to be fully optimized for each device because they are all different. I get great battery on my 5X, granted that's because of Doze.
Urgranma ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:11:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
An S7 has almost double the videoplay back time of a 6S, how can you say they don't beat the iPhone? Not to mention the 6S can't even playback in 1080p...
Most don't outlast the iPhone though, and those that do have way larger batteries than the comparable iPhone. The iPhone is ridiculously optimized in terms of power consumption, way more than any Android phone.
Added emphasis.
S7: 3000mAh battery
S7 edge: 3600mAh
iPhone 6S: 1750mAh (42% and 51% smaller, respectively)
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:02:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People don't understand how good Apple's battery technology is, and how far ahead of the game they are of everyone else. Their laptop batteries have blown the competition away for a good 7-8 years, at least. The battery in my six year old macbook pro still lasted 3 hours, whereas the best battery in any PC laptop I've own shits the bed after like 1.5 years, maybe 2.
It's not even their battery technology. They use the same batteries as everyone else (there are only a handful of top tier battery makers in the world). Its that their optimization is leagues ahead of everyone else.
Urgranma ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:37:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Have you ever spent as much on a PC laptop as you did your MacBook?
Urgranma ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:35:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I did say premium Android phones, as in the ones that compete with the 6s. Sure, apple might have some better optimization, but their devices still drain dramatically faster.
And as soon as it happens, to keep on circlejerking against Apple, they'll point out that Apple was the first to do this bullshit.
aquaknox ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:06:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why? Sure maybe some OEMs will drop it (I could see Samsung doing it) but it's super unlikely that they all will, which has basically always been the upside of Android. There's no authority that stops small niches from being served.
am0x ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:55:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For sure. 2-4 years, headphone jacks are dead like Flash. I haven't used mine in over a year.
am0x ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:13:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In the tech world things move quickly. Add a remind me to this post for 3 years. Then you can give me some gold for being right. I mean part of my job is identifying new trendsetting tech, and this was something that was identified 2 years ago.
Just because it was identified doesn't mean most people want it. It won't be gone from every phone in 2 to 4 years. Set a remind me, you can lick my balls when I'm right.
dumahim ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:00:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
None of them really have the weight to pull this off. Maybe Samsung, but all they're going to do is run stupid ads about 3.5mm jacks now. I mean if you love samsung, that's your deal, but damn their ads are fucking dumb.
LG went a large step in the opposite route putting a quad DAC in their V20, actually.
dumahim ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:05:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, and I have an HTC 10 which has some good audio hardware as well. I'm not using decent headphones and switching everything over to FLAC so I can send it over Bluetooth.
mikeysof ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:29:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Samsung perhaps. They seem to be the apple / android equivalent
They will be running to the gate to do the same thing. And once everyone gets past the drama queen phase they will be wondering how anyone would still want a analog jack from the 50s on their phone.
Charging and listening to music at the same time. Charging and using the aux port for dongles like credit card readers at the same time. Listening to analog music because it's far higher quality than Bluetooth, and Bluetooth isn't always an option. Do you think at all?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:14:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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joevsyou ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:59:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
they will, Apple has the power to move to the future and is willing to to take the heat to move forward, Also most other cell phone makers don't have the balls to remove a useless port when the use port can do the same plus more.
ffstriker ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 02:58:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's an 100 year old port. It's time go. People needs to understand that if they want a bunch of new features, such as waterproofing. You have to get rid of things. The next logical option.
You haven't described how technology works, or why this is a good example. You're just speaking in vague platitudes, while thinking you're being deep and philosophical. Digital sound has lower audio fidelity than analog. Cordless headphones mean worrying about one more thing to keep charged. There's multiple scenarios where the headphone jack needs to be used while the phone charges. Radically changing what many people use, while offering up insufficient solutions (or none), isn't progress. They're also killing choice. Having the headphone jack as an option is a great feature for many people.
It's a horrid mess of junk built upon junk, of interoperability nightmares, and low throughput. At its best it does a lot of things, but few of them well. When you transmit audio over a typical Bluetooth connection it'll do a lossy compression of the source material which is likely also compressed with loss, which makes artifacts out of artifacts and amplifies compression noise exponentially. The higher bandwidth versions of Bluetooth achieve the transfer rates by hiding a separate 802.11 connection behind the Bluetooth connection acting as control, but because the spec still calls for lossy codecs, it's still garbling your sound even if there's sufficient throughput to send the source material in its entirety.
Shedding all of the legacy nonsense. If they're going to do 802.11 anyway, then ditch the Bluetooth part and just do 802.11, or some other sensible and extensible ISM standard. Keep the PHY simple and put the applications on top of the stack instead of inside of the stack. The days of low processing power and rigid protocols run in hardware on mobile devices are long gone.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:25:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Well for 2, 3, and 4 Apple is shipping a small adapter that lets you use all your existing headphones and cords for free. Honestly the adapter solves 1 too...
It comes free with the phone you would never buy anyway, extras are $9.
stfsu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lots of audiophiles claim that it has worse audio quality, most people can't tell the difference unless you point it out (like a certain instrument or vocal in a song that you can somewhat hear with headphones, but can't using Bluetooth).
You don't need to be an audiophile. I can assure you that anyone listening to even a decent speaker setup would be able to tell the difference.
BT has a crippling best case of 721kbps for audio. Less than half of the 1.4Mbps needed for CD quality. In the real world it usually comes out around 128kbps Mp3 quality (a lot of that 721kbps goes to overhead).
Let me rephrase that. In 2016 we use a standard for streaming audio that usually can only handle 128kbps Mp3. Meanwhile, Wifi, another wireless standard in 2016, can handle around 1Gbps streams. Faster by a factor of almost 10,000. Get you fucking heads out of your asses BT consortium.
There is aptX for BT. aptX allows ~328kbps Mp3 quality streams. However it is proprietary and requires a license to implement.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:18:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As people have already stated the audio isn't that bad. I have BT speakers and headphones that also have headphone jacks, when you switch from one to the other you can barely tell a difference. Wifi audio is useless for anything but home listening.
By decent I mean a system with at least separate tweeters and woofers, of proper size. For headphones I can't really speak. I have never used to more expensive bluetooth headphones, just <$50 ones.
Also I used wifi as a reference for modern wireless bandwidth capability, not to suggest that we use it instead. Bluetooth switching to 5Ghz alone would greatly increase its bandwidth, and that spectrum is perfectly suited for short range use.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:17:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not saying it's a good thing, just that it is happening.
The point is wireless. As time goes on, everything will be wireless. And at every stage there will be threads on reddit saying how that particular thing does not need to be wireless. But the trend will continue until nothing has any ports anymore.
Really doubt that, wireless transmition is horridly inefficient way to transmit anything, whether it's data or power. I avoid wireless as much as possible due to reliability and signal degradation concerns. These are issues i really doubt will be resolved any time soon.
Eh, people used to say the same about wireless broadband, and now you can stream 4k video in real time with even a modest connection to your ISP. Yes, yes, ethernet will still provide superior performance that could be necessary, but the benefits are being marginalized constantly. Wireless is always at a disadvantage, but recreational users care far more about convenience of wireless over the minimal loss of audio quality you get from something like bluetooth.
Wireless charging is new, of course the technology is awful. New technology usually is. But again, we will see what happens.
I would argue wireless is much less convenient with all the annoying pairing you have to do. Analog just works. Also you can pass around an aux cord, not the wireless connection
Also we are talking 1000's of wireless streams in a public space. Wireless broadband can bearly deal with that as is. And we are talking about implementing Bluetooth both wireless broadband. So it will be even worse.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:08:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hate people that said he would be spinning in his grave.
Jobs took risks. Remember when he put USB in a computer and everyone laughed. Remember when there was no floppy in the eMac? The iPod? The iPhone? It's called innovating. You need to take risks. Apple was the first to do it in this case.
Reddit has a such a hate for Apple. If this was Samsung, it would be praised.
At least the phone doesn't explode.
IggyJR ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:28:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Reddit has a such a hate for Apple. If this was Samsung, it would be praised.
Sorry, but you couldn't be more wrong. There is no cult of Samsung.
Yeah, they guy who was known for being the first to get rid of antiquated things like the floppy drive and the CD-ROM would be rolling in his grave because of his company following in his foot steps.
zappa325 ยท 146 points ยท Posted at 23:37:06 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I named my IPhone the Titanic, so when I plug it in it says "the Titanic is syncing"
haha 'syncing'. As an android user, I wonder why you guys waste your time. It's much easier to just drag and drop music, or stream everything (online or offline) via google music
Fittri ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:43:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think the last time I synced my iPhone was in 2011.
IntrovPC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:28:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just use Apple Music & Spotify. Just got the 6S+ a month ago and I haven't plugged it in my pc once. Go on my pc, all my music is there already. Nice try to feel superior though.
OK. Cool story bro. For the record I torrent everything
IntrovPC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:43:54 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You do you dude, I used to torrent but I got spotify and I havent torrented since. Also offline listening is super nice because I dont always have a connection/want to use my data.
Im not gonna bring up the 'morals' of torrenting, but I don't see why you would torrent if you're not 14-17 with no job. Once you have income you have no reason to not support artists. But again, you do you homie. Ill do me.
IntrovPC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:27:00 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean it's free yeah, but kind of shitty. I also don't need a cease and desist letter that prevents all torrents, I actually torrent Linux distros and other items that give me the choice.
And there's nothing for you to say, just enjoy your music fam
ITT: People who never would have bought the new iPhone regardless, still complaining about it like Apple is going to break into their house and rip the jack out of their existing phones.
Sector-R ยท 75 points ยท Posted at 02:11:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Android user here. This concerns me because Apple is one of the biggest players and if someone is capable of starting trends it's them. So I'm a bit worried that more manufacturers start to think this is ok.
Cant wait till Samsung starts to brag about having a port just like they bragged about having a removable battery yet last time i checked they don't have removable batteries anymore.
The S5 also had that annoying-ass cover, but your point still stands. The real reason removable batteries were ditched is because it harms the life cycle of the battery. Also because non-removable backs look cool, at least until you cover it with a case.
The way I see it is that it's going to happen regardless of Apple.
Do you remember when the iPhone came out and people freaked because it didn't have a physical keyboard?
I laughed my ass off. I was like "Stupid Apple, this thing is gonna tank."
Then it did well. And everyone started doing it.
Bluetooth and other wireless tech is getting better and better. Wireless charging is a thing now.
It will happen eventually. This first iteration probably will be janky as fuck. But it will get better. Other manufacturers are going to do it and make it better. Third parties will do it and improve on designs.
At some point we will think it's weird we once complained about it.
It shocks me that so many people that as though things like this are stupid.
ffstriker ยท -17 points ยท Posted at 03:06:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Getting rid of an 100 year old standard forces companies to innovate and create something different.
Sure, it sucks and there are problems. But someone has to do it.
That depends on if the potential benefits make it something that is truly necessary. Changing something just to change it is a waste of time. There's a reason that "you don't need to reinvent the wheel" is a saying.
I'm not saying that's what's happening in this case, just that the logic of "we must change something because it is old" isn't always correct.
Edit: Besides, these are going to have to be headphones designed to work with a proprietary connector, lightning. If Apple had moved on to USB-C your argument about standards would be a lot more valid.
While I am kinda torn on the removal of the jack (I already use bluetooth in the car and BT headphones when running) I don't think they were 'changing something just to change it'
The truth is good headphones can be much better using a digital interface rather than the old 3.5mm one. That won't matter to most people who are going to use wireless headphones or not so great wired ones though, since those won't really show any of the benefits.
One way which people might, might, see a positive change is active noise cancelling headphones will now be able to pull power over the port rather than having to include a battery. This isnt a big deal for over ear headphones where theres lots of room for a battery but for earbuds this could be pretty big.
The main reason they did it was because they had to move the connector on the display because it was in the way of the new dual lens camera. So it down to the bottom of the display where they had some room, but it interferred with the 3.5mm jack so they removed it.
After typing this message out, i've decided that I am actually happy it's gone. I love the push towards wireless and/or all digital audio. But what i really really really don't like is the fact that it isn't USB-C. i really hope it is possible to have a usb-c to lightning adapter that will work well for headphones because i hate the idea of some headphones only being released with lightning or usb-c. It would be nice if they all jsut came out as USB-c....but i know im dreaming
Just to be clear, I wasn't trying to imply that Apple's decision was without merit. I was just saying that the logic is flawed in claiming that because something has been around for a while it needs to be changed.
I'm well aware of the potential benefits, but until I get a chance to play with my girlfriend's when she gets hers i'm going to have to wait to really form an opinion. For the time being, I'm more focused on the inconvenience of having to either buy headphones that will only work with iPhones, or carry around a dongle and/or splitter.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:10:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:03:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What are we buying more of? The iPhone 7, should you get it, comes with the adapter, which allows you to continue using your existing headphones.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:28:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:29:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well I can't really do much to appease your hyperbole.
God it's so hard to tell sarcasm in these threads. If the age of the port is the strongest argument against it, that's very telling
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:04:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not just the age, really. It takes up extra space that could be used for better internals, and makes it harder for a device to become water resistant. Plus it's analog. Being powered through a digital port does allow headphones to do a lot more.
If people preferred a digital port, headphone sales would reflect that. I've literally never seen anyone using USB/Thunderbolt headphones.
Waterproofing has been done on other phones with this port
If they were going to work miracles with the extra fraction of a square centimeter, they could have just made the phone slightly bigger and kept the port
You aren't wrong, but Apple is definitely not original with their ideas. Let's not forget that Apple got many of its ideas from what Blackberry did with their phones
Wacefus ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 03:06:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As someone who plugs in there phone daily so battery life isn't an issue, bought a pair of blue tooth headphones for bike riding and lawn mowing, I like the slimmer phone move. I really can't understand why everybody is losing their shit. You don't like the product, don't buy it. If more people are leaving because of no jack vs. having one then it'll go back. This is simple economics.
the phone isn't slimmer. It has nothing to do with thickness. (and lets not even get into cases)
The phone isn't any more water resistant than a Samsung with a jack.
Its just cause apple wants to make more money
Wacefus ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:10:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fair enough, not thinner. But I know that every 100/th of a cubic inch means a lot to phone internals. No jack frees up a lot of space. I bet if you talked to Samsung engineers and told them they had an extra amount of space equal to the jack port they would start innovating. Also, it will lead the way for thinner phones. They have been getting thinner for years. I mean, we aren't going to let advancement in battery, camera, screen and chipset be overridden forever because the 3.5 jack has to be included. It will go away universally eventually. I'm not sure about cases or what you mean. Its a for profit company so of course it's about money. They are trying to offer the best product at a price point they can. if they messed up it will go back to having the jack later.
If they were going to work miracles with that tiny amount of space they could have just made the phone slightly bigger and kept the port.
Wacefus ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:10:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Unless they felt there would be too many people like me that thought "why did they make it bigger. Just drop the port for blue tooth already". this is very similar when they switched to the Lightning over the 128 pin or whatever it was. Lots of people were upset that all the good accessories they owned became obsolete. But every one that stayed with Apple got new accessories and moved on. And it worked out well. We have a difference of opinion on what they should have done. I think time will tell they still sell enough they do all right. They will never have the market share they did 7 years ago, but it's not gonna be wholesale loss of the company like Reddit would seem to think either. My guess is that lots are perfectly fine with a 3rd party Bluetooth for those times they do listen to music. And a lot of over 20's Apple users don't use their phone for music on a daily, possible weekly basis. So it's really not a big deal to a lot of people.
they already do by having a phone with higher tech specs consistently than iphones and bringing newer features to market first.... like water resistance.
Iphone hasn't innovated anything significant in years (and saything this as a iphone user).
and 3.5 isn't going anywhere anytime soon. its been around for 100 years and there is a reason for it. It is to important to the audio industry. Apple may not care, but they are about to lose a significant portion of the music industry who are not about to give up high quality audio options... and frankly Mac has been an audiophile preference for many years. Its just stupid.
They are trying to offer the best product at a price point
Apple has literally never done that since the 80's. They overcharge for everything and everyone knows it.
Hilarious that Apple was the first company to ditch the 3.5" and CD/DVD, hell they never even bothered with Blu-Ray.
Bluetooth has grown up, lightning connected headphones and adapters will help bridge the gap.
My car and my wife's car both take a usb input and I have Bluetooth earbuds for exercising/mowing and Bluetooth headphones for work. I will be preordering the new phone without any hesitation.
He is well aware. And he means it (the audio jack) is outdated, which it is. The fact that is is widely used doesn't mean it is or isn't outdated, but the fact there are other interfaces which can provide much better sound quality as well as lots of other benefits means it is.
Now just cause it's outdated, does that mean it's a good idea to get rid of it? I dunno, there is obviously something to be said for legacy support.
the audio jack) is outdated, which it is. The fact that is is widely used doesn't mean it is or isn't outdated, but the fact there are other interfaces which can provide much better sound quality as well as lots of other benefits means it is.
Sound quality isn't the only thing that makes something outdated. Standard headphones have much better price to quality ratio, are much more compact, and are almost ubiquitous to every other device. I'm going to quote /u/allrollingwolf on this one:
Audio cabled headphones are not outdated.
Good bluetooth headphones barely exist and the ones that do are much more expensive.
When bluetooth headphones can be just as small as high quality ear buds, hold a charge for long enough that it doesn't matter, and have the same audio quality for the price of normal headphones, then normal headphones will be outdated. But we aren't there yet.
Your remaining options are either using a headphone with a lightning cable, which isn't better than a headphone jack, needs to be replaced much more frequently, is already used for charging, and is less reliable, or having to spend significantly more money for bluetooth headphones, which aren't usually as good and also have shit battery life.
So you tell me what's more outdated: using a headphone jack with a phone, or not being able to charge your phone and use headphones at the same time unless you make your wallet cry for mediocre bluetooth ones?
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:22:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I'm sorry but you are simply wrong, i use a 1/8th inch jack professionally daily and no lightning adapter or blue tooth is going to work there. Ever. I hope this is the begging of the death of apple.
Good bluetooth headphones barely exist and the ones that do are much more expensive.
When bluetooth headphones can be just as small as high quality ear buds, hold a charge for long enough that it doesn't matter, and have the same audio quality for the price of normal headphones, then normal headphones will be outdated. But we aren't there yet.
We are not anywhere even close to that being the case. For the time being, all this move has really done is make sure that you need to bring an extra cable in order for you to be able to listen to your music. I'm skeptical that we're suddenly going to see massive amounts of people completely ditching wired headphones in exchange for Bluetooth ones.
I would be a lot more okay with this move if Apple had at least moved on to USB-C and ditched lightning. If that is something they plan on doing later, that's just going to be another headache after companies start pumping out lightning headphones.
"Here's this adapter to make your iPhone bigger and bulkier and harder to transport, you're welcome!"
reebee7 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:05:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I charge while driving, and use the aux chord for music very often.
e3o2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:50:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Still doesn't help the fact that you can no longer charge your phone without losing the ability to listen to music or watch Netflix. It was a dumb idea when Motorola did it and it's a dumb idea now.
envyxd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:42:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I totally disagree with the removal of the jack, but I can totally see why people would still buy the phone.
Your question brings something to light here. How exactly do you use your phone? See, for me, I almost never have to charge and listen to my phone at the same time. I only really do this at work, and then I only care having my phone at a fuller charge if it's under 20% or if I know I'm going out after.
Besides that, I almost never charge my phone while listening to it. Netflix? I have a projector in my room to watch TV. Listening to music on the go / gym? Never plugged in to a charger while I'm moving.
What gets me about this is that it really feels like some sort of money scheme. How can Apple save more of the money that it's making? By not producing headphones. There was really no real reason to remove the headphones, except to push bluetooth and wireless technology. People are already easing into bluetooth technology, you don't need to force them.
e3o2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:29:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
GPS on a road trip and want to listen to music?
envyxd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:47:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have bluetooth in my car, so I never use my headphones while driving. I can charge my phone and listen to music and have the GPS on with one cable.
Also, I don't really go on road trips or travel for long periods of time like that. I've only been on one real road trip in my life and my phone was on bluetooth, so it didn't matter to me
e3o2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:11:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but not everyone, like myself, has Bluetooth in their car. It's a bad decision imo. Plus it you're in a friend's car you can no longer just plug in and play a song
envyxd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:25:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Then the iPhone 7 may not be the best thing for you, and that's something that you just have to acknowledge.
See, it works for me because I do have bluetooth.
The thing here is, you can think of endless scenarios where it's going to be difficult for you. But then you're just fantasizing. Me being in a friend's car.. see that never happens to me. I live in NYC and when I meet up with my friends, it's usually us going out and do something. I'm hardly in someone else's car. If I am in someone else's car and they have an aux, then they can use their phone to play music. If I really want to play something for them, well thank god there's youtube, right? Why do we really have to jump through hoops when there's reasonable alternatives.
If people want to adapt, they will. There was a big fuss when the iPhone 5's lightning cable came out. Guess what? People adapted and now you hardly see those wider cables. You still see them in some places, like the gym, but overall, hardly anywhere else.
az116 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:25:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well. It has been that way for some time. Apple makes the first leap into certain things and then others follow. It's almost never popular at first, but the industry almost always follows.
reebee7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:04:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have an iPhone and probably won't be getting a 7! Unless I suddenly make enough money to buy a new Bluetooth enabled car.
You didn't get the memo? Apple stole your pension.
hobolow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:50:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
While I agree with your overall sentiment, Apple is such a large part of the market that they could influence future designs from other makers. If enough people don't make a fuss about the design or just accept it flat out, then it could see more implementation outside of Apple. Now, I don't think this will happen because I have some faith that other companies will realize that this pisses off most consumers, but I see it as a possibility, no matter how small.
Again, I agree that many are just complaining to complain, but there could be some ramifications from this new (albeit horrible, in my opinion) design.
Not true. I have an iPhone, but I won't buy another. If this move was really about innovation for their users then it wouldn't have included their proprietary bullshit. Fuck Apple, I won't buy another iPhone.
isuzorro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:45:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm guessing the 6s will continue to outsell the 7 until the next iteration comes out. I'm sticking with my 6 until I see what shakes out over the next couple years.
Killybug ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:33:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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I work at a tech store in Sweden and Ive had multiple middle-aged Women coming up to Me and saying "Hi, I'd like a memory card for my iphone, it says my memory is full".
"Erhm, Iphones doesnt support external se cards, sorry."
"What? But why?"
"I dunno ask Apple"
rumborak ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 01:50:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fun fact, the headphone jack is essentially the jack switchboard operators used about 130 years ago. That's how old that design is. And just for that i wouldn't want to part with it.
That's completely unfair. Hard disks do have a flaw: they crash easily because it's a physical needle that reads and writes data. That needle falls out of alignment or breaks, you have nothing but an ugly paperweight. Solid states don't have that problem.
But there is literally nothing wrong with headphone jacks. Zero problems. They pump out incredible sound quality and basically never break.
Your argument is a non sequitur. You're saying "if it isn't broke don't fix it" doesn't apply, but it does and you even gave an example of how it does: hard disk drives are broke in a sense, so they should be fixed. Headphone jacks are not broke, so they should remain the same.
Jeush_ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:39:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well then. We could easily point out the flaw of the headphone jack. Not powered. Not possible to power it. Want to plug in those high powered speakers? Make sure you have an external power source. Want to use those noise canceling headphones? Make sure you..... You get the point. There is no such thing as perfect. Everything can be better. The ancient old headphone jack is far from perfect.....
CB_Ranso ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What is your point? Everything you just said is not a problem. And Bluetooth is a HUGE step backwards if you're wanting to pump high quality sound on your powerful headphones.
Are you saying if you want to use high power headphones to get an amplifier? Something that even the most expensive and best sound systems use/need?
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 03:15:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In that instance then SSDs are bad too since they only have a certain amount of reads and writes it can perform. Granted it's a very large number but it's still the case.
That's seriously not even relevant. No one has had that problem since the very very early days of SSDs. The only argument you could make in your favor is that SSDs are more expensive, but that's true with any superior technology, and they're getting cheaper all the time.
ffstriker ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 03:00:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not perfect. It's an analog system in an entirely digital environment. It's time.
jaab1997 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:04:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have bought 5 dollar headphones, and 30 dollar headphones. I've bought 30 dollar bluetooth headphones, and 100 dollar bluetooth headphones. I have destroyed them all in a matter of weeks, and I don't know what it is about me that causes them to die so fast =(
But I have a dollar store near me that sells 3.5mm headphones for a buck, and I go through a pair about once or twice a week. But since they are so cheap, it's kinda worth it. I'd never be able to afford replacing bluetooth headphones =(
rumborak ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:15:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not that I have that high a turnover, but yeah, the beauty of the 3.5mm jack is that you can get sufficient audio quality for $20, so losing them or shredding them is not the end of the world.
$200 earbuds, god no.
jrpjesus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:53:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've found that the part of headphones that tends to fail though is the part right next to the jack? Never had a pair of Bluetooth headphones fail due to a torn wire.
Honestly, after working in the tech industry between phones and computers over the last 25 years, these days I have no idea why anyone would buy an Apple product anymore. Over priced and under specced in comparison to their non Apple counter parts.
Then again, people buy beats by dre headphones. It's just a fashion accessory now.
Edit: Ok Apple fans. I pissed you off. Sorry for that. I still need your custom and not for me to tell you what is best. If you're happy, you're happy and thats all that counts. My opinions are irrelevant. I'm serious on that. My mortgage wont pay itself.
Because they target the people who want to spend it. Then other people are "keeping up with the Joneses" and get it as well. Then other people get it because it's obviously cool to have with everyone else having it and most will look down on the few remaining that dont have it.
And don't forget the poor people that scrape up for it so they can feel like they fit in but deep down still know that they don't and end up missing the hype train and so stay outcasts with their outdated stuff.
I think I got a little bitter toward the end there, sorry. :(
Its assinine. People hate the idea of a buisnessman (trump) running america but they let a buisness (apple) run their life/opinions. WAKE UP ITS ALL BULLSHIT!
That said, I won't buy another iPhone (had one since 3).
Panaka ยท 212 points ยท Posted at 00:51:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It really isn't. The A series of chipsets Apple has made is always a year or two ahead of anything anyone else can come up with. With Qualcomm floundering since the 801 and Samsung unable to ramp up production of their own SoC's to market to other OEMs, Apple will continue to reign supreme.
I love Android/Google, but Apple has always had the best SoCs and radios on the market.
This is true. When a dual core chip with insanely good singlethreaded performance gets a close score to an 8 core heater in benchmarks, you can't keep saying it's underspecced processor wise. The gpu has always been tops as well. The things that are underspacced are screen resolution and ram. Coming from a pcmaster race/jailbreak master race user.
limenuke ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 02:01:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
It really doesn't matter that there's so little RAM. Adding RAM is not a difficult task. The beauty of iOS and the kernel is that it is amazing at managing RAM. It'll keep your apps in the background while running FB messenger at its full frame rate (FB messenger is notoriously hungry for everything). It'll run Snapchat with no lag. My burner Moto G4 Plus cannot do any of this without coughing and stuttering.
If you can find a legitimate use case where the RAM is the limiting factor on an iPhone, I'll be surprised. This is the phone that's capable of recalling almost all of its photos onto one screen to let you browse through everything chronologically, without lagging. The amount of RAM on board the device is not relevant in this discussion.
limenuke ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 08:55:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Have you ever tried recording video on Snapchat on a non flagship Android phone? I didn't expect that it would stutter either. It's pretty embarrassing.
So comparing a non-flagship android to a flagship apple?
limenuke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:45:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, I'm not trying to say that. I'm trying to say that the G4 Plus is a modern phone that has some darn good specs. For all intents and purposes, these specs should be enough to run snapchat. For some reason, it can't run a very basic and 'essential' app by today's standards. I do not think it has anything to do with the hardware on the phone - it is likely the firmware or kernel causing the stuttering.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 02:00:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Screen resolution I will give you. RAM I won't. Technically, it has less ram, yes. But iOS is so well optimized it doesn't make a difference in usability. If an iPhone with 2GB of RAM can outperform a droid with 4, can you really still call it underspecced?
Well I jailbreak my iphones and running multiple applications simultaniously works well on 2 gigs, but I'd really love to have 3gigs just cause sometime springboard kills itself because it thinks a daemon is using too much ram. Then again, most tweaks aren't optimized and dont tell the system to not kill itself lol. Wish they did.
Ram capacity doesn't directly affect performance unkess you don't have enough for the task you're currently doing.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:35:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. And iOS runs efficiently enough that it isn't negatively impacted by the amount of RAM. I never get why people complain about the amount of RAM on iPhones or MacBooks when both of them run so smoothly. There's so much more to it than just raw numbers.
Its nice leaving apps for a while and returning to them exactly as you left them. I really hate scrolling down a webpage, checking a few things on some other apps, and returning to a webpage that has been refreshed.
RAM isn't underspecced because iOS manages memory much better than Android, benchmarks show it. Agree on the screen, but it was them who pushed the High DPI market back with the iPhone 4, they just haven't bothered increasing the pixel density since then, which is fine for most applications.
That's all fine and good, but these days even the $200 Android phones (like the Nexus 5x I'm typing this on) are more than fast enough even for a geek like me. I want a phone that doesn't ever lag, lets me log in with my fingerprint, has a solid camera, and supports all of the important apps. I've got that. Why do I need a $799 iPhone?
UrEx ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:03:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's talking about Apple products in general. They're - for the price tag - underspecced.
Name me one Apple product and I can name you an alternative for 50-80% of the price with equal or better performance. That's especially true for Mac Pros.
Their software works great with their hardware but that's about all Apple has going for them.
I feel that definitely. Price to performance is a non-existant term in Apples ecosystem. Their macbooks have shit intel cpus. My razer blade 16 costs as much as one and has a freakin 970m in it, then you compaire that with the shit cpu in macbooks to the 6700hq its no question. So i definitely get the money argument, I just thought he was dnjx to underperforming side by side with other phone hardware.
chickdan ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I do not, I mean I seriously do not understand why Apple continues with their 750p shit. People are beginning to move on to 4k and Apple is still shilling 750p (which doesn't even make any sense, how the hell did they get 750 when 720 is/was the standard!?)!
I dont really get this. There isnt much tangible difference between 720p and 1080p in my eyes, and I definitely dont see the thing with 4K. 720p, to me, seems like a pretty decent size where you can also get more performance and save battery.
chickdan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:13:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A good test is to watch a 720p video then watch it in 1080p (or compare side to side). This probably won't work on YouTube though since they compress things so heavily to begin with. On smaller devices it's not super noticeable but it can be sometimes.
Have you by chance seen a good 4k tv in person? If you have then maybe you are somebody who just doesn't care enough to see the difference lol, and there is nothing wrong with that.
Quivex ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:35:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's a huge difference between 4k on a 60" TV and a 5" phone...750p I agree is far too low, but for normal use anything past 1440p on a phone is completely indiscernible.
4k won't matter on phones until phone driven VR becomes more mainstream...hopefully sooner than later.
I've done that. I can see a pretty decent difference on my TV between 720p and 1080p, and I can see it on my laptop as well. I can't see it on my phone though, as I usually hold it far enough that it doesn't really matter so much.
I've seen Samsung's UHD TVs and they're pretty nice. (saw the 60" one I think, or 55". It was curved is what I remember) I can kinda differentiate between their test 4K and 1080 footage, but again, standing about 5-6 feet away, that difference goes away for me.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:03:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually the rumor is apple is using oled in the next iphone as a transitional screen since they are working on something like MicroLED (or something). Should be interesting to see what gpu they use when their new screen tech is finally available.
kbotc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:51:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
MicroLED (or something)
Yea, Apple bought the guys who hold a ton of the patents and I figure it will be an Apple exclusive for awhile.
Straight up fact. Their photo correction software is also unparalleled.
Too bad everything else about the way the phone works sucks balls. It's a really smooth, really polished turd.
Nosiege ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:35:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In effect though, the differences between Apple's and their competitors are negligible to the point where I can't honestly consider it a selling point.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:40:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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Panaka ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:50:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Think of it this way. The new SoC is twice as powerful as the old one, so to do its normal tasks it only needs half of the chip to meet the same demands. This means less overall power consumption by the SoC and better battery life.
This is how newer phones get better battery life than previous devices when they're packing smaller batteries.
edit: I should say that this is what SoC design hopes for. Normally a newer chip can be more efficient so it can do more with less. Other times you end up with the 820.
Wait for the coming iOS updates. Whether the phone actually slows down due to poor optimization (or bloating) or you get to play with the full power of a new 7 and begin to mentally use that as a benchmark, the 6s will begin to feel slower. It sucks to say that because I absolutely love my 6s+ 128gb at the moment.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:47:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Go look at the camera quality of the iPhone 6 and the Galaxy S4...big difference...go look at the screen resolution of the iPhone 6 and the Galaxy S4....big difference, go look at when the S4 came out and when the iPhone 6 came out and then be shocked.
Lol at the downvote, it's true though. iPhone 6 rear camera is only 8mp, galaxy s4 is 13mp, s4 resolution is 1080x1920 while the iPhone 6 is a lot less.
Isn't that what most parents do these days, instead of actually raising their children, just give them some electronic pacifier so the parent won't have to parent?
The crazy thing is I've seen kids younger than 3 operating ipads. A lady I worked with had a two year old that could swipe through the pages until she found the icon for her game and start it up. Admittedly, the game itself was designed for toddlers, but it was amazing to see how early she had figured out the basic mechanics. She couldn't even speak yet.
You'd be surprised. My nephew isn't three yet and he's extremely fluent with iOS devices. I mean, he can't hold a conversation yet, but he does know how to use an iphone.
Antabaka ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:13:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No arguing, but there's a lot more than rooting and roms worth mentioning. The ability to install apps not from a curated store, the freedom of apps both on and off the store to be whatever they want - browsers with custom rendering engines come to mind.
As a nexus 6p owner, I've never experienced any of these issues. Maybe it's because Google focus on making sure the Nexus series are perfect and neglect the other platforms a bit.
repens ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:45:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
> neglect the other platforms a bit.
Are not at all responsible for other manufacturer's phones and decision making*
domo9001 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:20:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's hard to find someone today who has never put hands on iOS or Android, but if you have ever witnessed a tech noob operate an iPhone next to an Android, there is absolutely no contest. The struggle is very very real.
I spent about 8 seconds trying to find how to switch apps on an Android once upon a time, and pretty much gave up on the entire platform since that day. I don't have time for this shit. Nexus are the nicest, and the software truly keeps getting more and more impressive. Google are greek gods of software for real it's not even worth trying.
But iOS.... creates reflexes, versus Android's UI which I feel requires too much accuracy, concentration, memorization. And the worst part is how satisfied they are with it. There is still a ways to go.
Shit is like a homemade prototype race car next to a stock 5 series. I know which one I want to drive daily if I have to. I know I look like a douche. I know I overpaid. I know it goes slower.
I pay extra to not think about my phone. The pedals are in the same place as every other car.
barjam ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 01:52:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a software developer who does mobile it is in shambles. I hate developing for that platform so much. Thankfully the android market isn't as strong as iOS so not as many folks want that sort of work (not as profitable).
This is ridiculous. No one is just developing for one platform anymore.
If I had to guess, the "I hate developing for Android," is really code for "I suck developing for Android." Thus, why you think no one wants Android apps developed.
Not really. Programming in Swift and developing layouts with AutoLayout and size classes is soooo much more enjoyable than writing Java for Android. Not to mention you usually get paid more as an iOS developer, not always but that's been my experience.
You just compared layout building in iOS to logical programming in Android. How about comparing Java to working on legacy code in Objective C? How would that comparison work out for ya? Besides, once you actually learn how layouts work in Android you can breeze through it. It's tedious until you have an understanding of it. At my contracting company, our current iOS developer wishes he could go back to Android.
barjam ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:43:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I never said we didn't. I just pointed out that developing for that environment sucks and since the ROI is less it isn't as desirable.
I have a nexus and get them immediately. The main reason for the delays in other platforms is because Sony, Samsung, htc, all the other manufacturers as well, like to Fetter and change the os before they install it on their phones. You can thank them for that
In what way? Youre full of it mate. It's immediately responsive. It's literally as fast as it can be on my phone. Any faster and menus would be appearing before I fucking tapped them.
vibrate ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:26:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
That's not how you measure performance.
It underperforms in games and other processor heavy activities.
This is widely accepted, even by Google engineers, and has been for years. It's a known issue with the architecture of Android and how it runs on multiple devices. It will never change.
In a nutshell, the fastest known Android device available today -- and there are millions of Android devices much slower than that out there -- performs 5ร slower than a new iPhone 6s, and a little worse than a 2012 era iPhone 5 in Ember. How depressing.
While Apple's iPhone 6 turns in better performance than the fastest Android phone from Samsung, its also worth noting that Apple's less expensive iPhone 5s from 2013 also packs 64-bit high performance with its lower screen resolution, allowing it to run top games smoothly as well. That can't be said for second tier Android phones, including Nexus 6, a device that is still relatively expensive within the huge range of Android devices.
Shiznot ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 00:17:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Android OS is a shamble.
Found the fanboy. Having used both the two OSes might as well be flavors of the same thing when it comes to functionality, stability, and style.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:58:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Java / the JVM is always going to be less efficient than the native code used for apps on the iPhone. Android phones can match and exceed the performance of iOS, but require higher specs to do so.
Shiznot ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 01:04:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
IIRC many simpler apple apps are actually webkit shells encapsulate java so the developer doesn't need to develop two apps for each ecosystem. If that's still true the apple based java apps would perform poorer.
Also C is ancient and inflexible without some fineness and many shovel ware app developers lack in that category.
You're thinking of hybrid apps. Webkit is the web browser which runs HTML CSS and Javascript. They run pretty poorly on both systems. Remember, Java is to Javascript as Car is to Carpet
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nyrol ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:41:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. Me. An android user, an Apple fanboy.
Shiznot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:48:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Apparently. The kind of thing you are mentioning is only possible because android is free and can be used by anyone. iOS on the other hand is not.
Its the exact same thing as windows VS Mac OS. Mac users claim their OS is more stable when this is only true because practically nobody makes drivers for it. They claim their OS is more secure (provably not true) because nobody bothers targeting the minority market share.
Shiznot ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:59:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm practical as opposed to a fanatic. I have a Nexus 5 because I'd rather have my money than a new shiny toy to brag about. Before that I had a Droid 2.
knukx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:37:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd rather have my money than a new shiny toy to brag about
Yeah you sound like a fanboy lol
Shiznot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:41:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did you miss the /s or are you insinuating not buying things makes you a fanboy.
knukx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:56:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just the way you phrased that sentence made your biases pretty clear. Not missing a /s.
Shiznot ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:05:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't buy new iPhones either, I claim the two platforms are roughly equal. There is no bias, you just want to pretend there is because it makes you feel better.
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Shiznot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:15:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
See point above, you obviously didn't read it.
xiofar ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:28:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Was it difficult to pull that factually handicapped number from thin air?
It took 3 seconds of hard research and then picked a number between 50 and 100.
JizzCreek ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 01:36:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Android OS is a shamble
Nah, it's actually a dream to use. The reason iOS draws so many people is because of iMessage/Facetime exclusivity. Ladies look at you with disgust if you slide into their DM's in puke-green.
Screen resolution and ram, yes. Processor and gpu no. People get mad when a dual core apple chip beats their 8 core qualcomm in benchmarks and go straight to ram and screen size cause they know songle threaded performance is best. Gpu in iphones have always been tops at release as well. all you gotta do is jailbreak it and you got yourself android functionality on iOS b
snowcobra ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 01:52:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly don't know how much better screen resolution needs to be on a fucking 4" screen. 720p is really good for watching videos, and 1080p on my 6s+ is fucking beautiful. I really don't think I'd be able to appreciate the benefits of 4k on a 4" screen without going blind. As far as more RAM goes, I'll just download more /s
Fair enough, limited-capability VR would definitely benefit from 1440p minimum resolution. If it was my money though, with the rate that VR seems to be advancing at it seems like getting a dedicated gaming PC is a cheaper way to go VR in the long term instead of playing catchup to developers every 2 years with new phones.
Jailbroken, it's as customizable as android in that regard. Windowed apps, running background apps as if its in foreground, instant kill, modifying apples suspend time. If you reduce apples low power mode cpu throttle(80%) by changing the plist file to something like 50% or whatever, and use lpm then set multitasking (dissident tweak) to autokill every app when you leave its very useful to help control battery use. Per app controls are really were its at though. Like I said, same in that sense, of course you must jailbreak which is unfortunate. I love jb iOS and hate stock
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extoxic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:10:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We are talking phones here maybe read what you are replying to
DJPelio ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 01:44:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was about to get the note 7, but then saw the speed comparison video with iPhone 6. The weak iPhone 6 is still 2x faster than Samsung's flagship. Nothing pisses me off more than slow phones.
jpark28 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:25:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Get a phone with stock android. Nexus 6P ftw.
JorusC ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 02:07:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most if not all of that speed is smoke and mirrors. Apple set up their apps so they would load a screenshot of an app's menu before the menu itself had loaded, so it looked faster even if it was loading slower than the Android.
DJPelio ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:11:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The test involved using the apps, not just opening them.
Its street for specifications. It has been taken out of context, and turned into a verb.
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xiofar ยท 85 points ยท Posted at 01:27:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The removal if the headphone jack is total idiocy but Apple phones are easily outperforming Android phones. Look at Anandtech testing. Apple's A series is easily the best SOC on the market.
Apple's pricing of their internal memory is very high but they also tend to have much faster memory than anyone else.
barjam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:54:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am not planning to by the 7 but honestly the lack of a headphone jack is irrelevant to me. In a year or two android will follow the lead and largely ditch the jack as well.
xiofar ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:13:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It would make a little more sense if Android manufacturers ditched the headphone jack. I don't know anyone that uses their headphones as much as iPhone users.
I am not choosing to ignore the solutions and alternatives, but as an iphone user I have really mixed fillings about this. I think this is really people overreacting, but with legitimate concerns. Unless there was a solution presented I didn't see, I can no longer listen to headphones while having my phone charge. Of course I can go bluetooth on headphones, but it seems like a shitty alternative to have to spend money on a product to solve a solution to a problem that has never existed. I wouldn't have nearly as much a problem personally if they fully committed to bluetooth as a headphone solution and just gave you bluetooth heads with the phone.
This situation reminds me a lot of the Xbox One announcement. Xbox was right in that gaming is going to an all digital, always connected future, but they made the move too early so it bit them in the ass. Apple realistically is probably just 2-3 years too far ahead in making this move. Bluetooth headphones aren't everyone's go to choice yet.
xiofar ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:29:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lighting headphones
Proprietary crap that only works on iPhones and nothing else. Can't charge phone while using headphones.
Apple Airpods
$160 for easy to lose headphones. Another thing to charge. Most likely crap sound quality just like every pair of Bluetooth headphones I've ever used.
Bluetooth headphones
Same problems as the Airpods
Dongle
Nobody likes dongles. Can't charge phone while using headphones.
Every solution sucks when compared to just having a headphone jack.
If they had left the headphone jack in the design, every single one of those "solutions" would still work. I'm willing to bet that the vast majority would just stick to normal wired headphones.
huppfi ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:31:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you serious? It's not a solution if you created the problem in the first place.
Why would I buy headphones that only work with my phone?
Why should I buy Bluetooth headphones that are way worse than wired ones.
I am not ignoring solutions and alternatives, I am mad that a company this big chooses to do shit like this to scam their consumers.
ffstriker ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 03:33:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because Apple haters are worse then the fan boys. Unfortunately it's primarily android fan boys that do it.
xiofar ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:36:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm due for an iPhone replacement. I use my wired headphones every single day.
I use my Bluetooth headphones occasionally at work.
Wired is much better in every possible comparison except that it has a wire.
I'm want to replace my iPhone 6. This is a pretty huge disappointment.
I'm genuinely curious, what do regular people do with their phones to need that kind of performance? I can't think of anything aside from streaming 4K videos (which probably almost nobody does) or playing games (which isn't really a reason to buy an expensive phone).
xiofar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:38:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To me, speed is important because it makes every action quicker and more responsive. It's more pleasing to use and to the eye.
I mean, I think most smartphones passed that point a long time ago, unless you need to instantly load 300MB PDF files. You certainly don't need a GPU capable of running Crysis.
Partly. I think it's a combination of what I said AND that only a few companies have control over this market in the US.
xiofar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:47:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think it has more to do with the chip-maker's (Qualcomm) motivation to improve their SOCs and phone manufacturer's willingness to purchase state of the art hardware.
Apple has a lot of motivation in keeping their money maker full of quality parts.
Urgranma ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 02:10:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Outperforming in benchmarks, but premium Android phones are fast enough in real world use that it really isn't noticeable. Not to mention: removable memory.
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Urgranma ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 03:33:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just because a few idiots argue that their excessively fast (but only slightly faster than the competitors) cpu/gpu is faster in a few benchmarks, doesn't make the entire device better or function better in the real world. There are people on both sides arguing the specs, don't pretend it's just android users.
My MacBook Pro is a fucking beast. Batteries last longer than Ron Jeremy. But yeah, my employer paid for it, and if I had to pay for that shit myself, I'd be in Dell-land.
amoxvox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:43:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Never buy dell! Never ever! Go for IBM Toshiba lenovo etc
bat03 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:58:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why?
amoxvox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:32:04 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Poor battery. And not battery itself but the hw around battery. Bad service. Frustratingly slow processor.
Arkajion ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 04:00:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well fucking done, you've now properly demonstrated that phones designed for simplicity, not functionality, can launch applications faster than those designed for maximum functionality.
Do you want a cookie?
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 01:27:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Their iMessage and FaceTime combo is truly awesome. I know for a fact that it keeps a lot of people from switching.
If they put those in the Google play store, it would certainly open up the doors for many people.
bon_bons ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:53:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
theyre trying to but theyre doing it all wrong. theyre releasing them as two separate apps not even integrated into the texting app. google is so out of touch
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:01:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can't explain why that doesn't get traction. I just know Apple has it, especially with iMessage.
I was on a two year old thread of messages between me and 3 friends. I switched to Samsung. No problem, just have to start over. Nope. iMessage just ignores me. That's what's keeping people on board. That's why Apple wont port it.
I wouldn't recommend it for that reason. I have an iphone 5c and after the update to ios9 it runs like absolute ass. Even simple stuff like podcast apps are barely functional and crash constantly.
Mezujo ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:56:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't worry. I have an iphone 6 and it runs like an absolute ass on the latest ios updates as well.
I'm in need of a new phone and I was going to go for the Iphone 7, but it seems like it's just a massive disappointment over all... Don't know which phone I'm going to go for now.
Really? I have a 6+ that's been running flawlessly since day one. I couldn't even tell you the last time any of my apps crashed or I had any kind of issue.
What? Iphone 6 should not run like ass. Something is wrong with your phone. I upgraded to a 6s recently, which is an amazing phone, but I remember the 6 being quite fast. My only issue with it was apps reloading bc of the lower RAM
What version are you running and what problems are you having?
Mezujo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:39:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Running on 9.3.5 and outside of lag issues and slow performance, the main issue is that it'll randomly exit out of an app sometimes. Not frequently but without me touching it, it'll sometimes just go back to the homescreen. Has happened only on Youtube and Safari, but then again, that's about the only reason I use my phone outside of making calls so not enough to tell the cause of that.
Have you tried restoring from a backup? Or just resetting and starting a fresh to see if software is the issue? Then you'll narrow it down to hardware. If you can demonstrate this at the Apple store then they should definitely replace it. I've never encountered this issue.
Mezujo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:12:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Unfortunately, I'm one of the idiots who originally didn't keep a backup so I wouldn't be able to do this.
Would strongly recommend the Nexus 6p. It's a fantastic phone. It's google so you get the latest android updates. Android N(ougat) just came out.
Mach10X ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:43:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Have you done any troubleshooting at all? Sounds like your OS got screwed up in the update. Backup, restore, setup as new and test it out, load your backup.
Call or chat Apple, chat is 24/7, they'll get you fixed. Support in most countries is free no matter how old your phone is.
Meanwhile I have a 5s and it runs perfectly on the latest OS.
Mach10X ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:41:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Have you done any troubleshooting at all? Sounds like your OS got screwed up in the update. Backup, restore, setup as new and test it out, load your backup.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 02:33:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've got a 6s (i think. It's the tablet sized one) that is basically a paperweight since ios9. It's my work phone and I carry my android around for anything except work calls and emails. I've found myself getting closer and closer to accidentally malicious dropping it to not have to wait for it to unstuck itself after I delete a voice mail or exit an email. I have to reset the gorram thing 8 times a day.
A redditor full of BS and looking for karma?!? That would never happen.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:42:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Admittedly I don't know much about it. I don't really care to either. I'm fine with using my galaxy for everything I need to do that isn't making calls or email. Hell, if I could put my work email on my personal phone I would. I don't know why searching for messages in my inbox is so horrible on my iPhone but it is. I'll type in exactly who the email I'm searching for is from, knowing they've sent it this week and come up with nothing. And since the last update, it's now trying to auto populate names into the fields which is becoming increasingly frustrating. I'm trying to quickly reply to someone and after I've added our security code it starts trying to populate names rather than just letting me type the fucking message.
It's updated twice since I've had it and each time it's gotten worse.
Trust me, the older devices running the latest iOS don't do it very well. My girlfriend had a 5c that worked great, but the second she updated to iOS8(i think that was the one) the phone ran like complete shit. It started to get really buggy and ran extremely slow.
I have office provided iPhone 4 (A1387) and recently throat-fucked by Apple with iOS 9.3.
Now I've to literally wait two seconds after pressing phone icon, another few seconds to search the number, another second to press the name ... then another second or two to display the calling screen. Fuck my life and iPhone. It's crawling like hell!
The 4 is also about 6 years old, so you have to take that into account. It's impressive that it can even run the latest OS and still function at all. Are there any 6 year old android devices that could run the latest release of android?
GV18 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:41:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There were problems on all iPhones when they first released it. Then again, 8.0.1 caused issues for Touch ID when released, within 3 hours it was removed, and then within 24 hours it was re-released and fixed.
Yeah.... because you're getting phones that aren't directly Google products running stock Android. My Nexus 5, released in 2013, still gets the latest Android updates because it's Google's phone. If you're going to make comparisons, at least make sure you're comparing Nexus devices, since all other Android devices run company specific versions of Android that need their own development team to update after Google releases the newest version of stock Android. Plus I'd probably still be using my Nexus 4 if it's battery hadn't been damaged from repeated dropping, and it'd probably be running the newest version of Android.
Yea, it's a very different experience being with one of the Nexus devices. Had a motorola atrix and loved it till it got outdated and I couldn't even use half the new apps coming out and while the specs were good enough for newer versions I got left on android 2.3 simply because motorola couldn't be bothered to come out with the 4.0 update despite promising to. Now on a nexus 5X and just got android 7.0 and I'm loving it. No bloatware just a clean fast android experience.
Meh my iPhone 4S isn't running that much worse than before updating and it's not a forced update. I'm on iOS 8 not 9 idk if that makes a big difference or not.
Explain why. I haven't updated my iPhone for like a year and a half.
Lavanger ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:57:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol, don't you ever think that because it gets updated it's good, mine for example, it's slow as fuck, and the wifi doesn't work anymore because the product is bad as default. Google Iphone 4 wifi problems, and you will see how common is that problem, and how you have to pay to repair it, and that's why is my emergency phone, can't even watch netflix or listen to spotify at house without ripping data plan.
Apple is crap, don't buy that sutff, gets outdated after the next generation is out, also updates are made for newer models, not the old ones..
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 01:16:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To provide a helpful answer... Unofficial builds are ROMs created by developers in their spare time for different Android compatible phones. Cyanogenmod was one such example of a ROM that worked across many different Android phones, but there are many many alternatives out there.
aclee_ ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:33:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Unofficial builds are custom versions of Android that developers (typically on XDA) release for phones that are unsupported/people who want a "stock" Android experience. That being said, these unofficial builds can have bugs but not all of them do. These builds can give support long after the manufacturer does (for example, my 5 year old galaxy nexus has the latest android; Google dropped support after 1 or 2 years)
Also, it's kind of silly to argue whether someone refers to their phone as an Android or a phone.
natdm ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:34:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Unofficial android operating systems that didn't ship with the phone. Like CyanogenMod.
He means software made by the community. Some fans will write software for aging hardware that the manufacturers have left behind.
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 01:28:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Nosiege ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 01:36:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How can a build be unofficial? Android is open source. Just because the OpenSource OS placed on a OEM's device isn't their version of the OS doesn't mean it's unofficial.
An unofficial build is a fork of ROM not officially supported by the ROM's original developers.
It has nothing to do with Android. ROMs still use Android. ROMs, for example CM, Paranoid, Carbon, etc., can be forked. Those forked ROMs are not official releases of the developers (CM, Paranoid, Carbon, etc.).
It really shouldn't be that difficult to understand.
The real problem with Android is that there is no one OS, there is a base OS and different phone manufacturers put their own shells on it and such. I actually like android, but I am a tech guy, it's not nearly as accessible as iOS is. If you are too stupid to figure out an iPhone, you go to an Apple Store and there are 15 Geniuses(TM) who will help you be less stupid. If you are an Android user, and you are too stupid to figure it out, well, you better start googling.
I am an Electrical Engineer, so I don't have either problem, but I got my parents to get iPhones so I am not stuck spending half my life fixing my parents phone problems.
It doesn't. The topic is centered around compatibility.
Just because the parent company is no longer supporting it, doesn't mean it isn't compatible; it's called marketing and forcing the hands and wallets of your customers.
The same way your car will last longer and save you cash if you know how it works and how to fix simple problems, knowing how your phone works will save you from getting a new one every release.
bieker ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:46:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Which high end/high quality phone hardware manufacturers are there that provide software updates?
He's smoking facts. Its a fact that Apple is far more backwards compatible. Open source or not doesn't matter when the actual practice doesn't take advantage of that. Ask any developer that deals with both what compatibility issues are like between the two platforms.
Ikeelu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You forgot to mention the latest version is also missing a lot of features in a phone that old and also doesnt run as well as it did when new.
you've got comment replies up the ass, but i don't feel like reading them all so i'm going to say this anyways.
ceasing software updates after a certain point is intentionally prolonging the life of your phone. that phone was designed to run the OS it was released with, not the OS after it. you got a couple updates because your phone could handle it. then they stopped.
meanwhile, apple pushes the latest (read: more resource intense) OS to absolutely everything. iphone 4S began running like shit as soon as it got hit with iOS 7. these further updates will continue running that phone into the ground until it's near unusable. that trend will continue with every new product and every new iOS released.
each update further hindering performance of outdated phones, to encourage the user to buy the new 'fast' phone. little do they know that phone will succumb to the same fate a few years later.
Can people keep phones for five years without smashing the screen? I can, but I've never met anybody else who could which is why I think I'm not really alive.
tplee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:30:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I will say that this is the one really nice thing about iPhones. I'm still probably going to switch back to android, but at the end of the day iPhone consistently get updated and consistently work for their users. They do not have nearly the same amount of bugs or quirks android phones have.
huppfi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:10:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Using anything other than the nexus with it's stock OS is a bad idea. Just get cyanogen and you are set.
As an Android developer: we still have to target Android 4.1 because there are so many devices without updates out there. And this is on a brand new app from august 2016.
I hate manufacturers for fucking up Android with their skins (as in TouchWiz from Samsung). It means the OS eats resources, is slow and updates come very late or never.
I owned a Nexus 5 (which I broke) and now I have a cheap ass LG G4 Stylus. The Nexus with stock android was brilliant. Fast, reliable and I was always first in line with updates. With my LG? Not so much.
If you want the true Android experience, I recommend you try a phone which runs stock android, which is how android is supposed to be.
Older iphones running newer IOS can cause issues I've heard
wml653 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:35:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apple saying that an iPhone 4s runs the latest and it actually ruining the latest are two different things, I've had at least a half dozen friends who've had their phones bricked by updating their phones after they're one generation out of date.
Fnhatic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:01:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, you're bitching about not updating?
Forcing updates your phone can't handle is a planned obsolescence tactic Apple uses. Force an update, phone runs like shit, "Time to get a new phone!"
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xiofar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:29:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nexus doesn't have a very good history of updates either.
Like your iPhone, if your care so much about the updates get a Nexus. Stop whining
FTFY
mr_stark ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:36:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The reason for this is that Apple controls the entire phone, inside & out: Apple software and Apple hardware.
Android is an OS that runs on multiple platforms of which is has no affiliation, very much like Windows running on just about any configuration of hardware you can throw at it.
p3ngwin ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:59:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Meanwhile an iPhone 4S, released in 2011, is running the latest iOS version. Officially.
not with all of iOS' features it doesn't. Typically for any given upgrade, you don't get it all.
k0rm ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:20:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Meanwhile an iPhone 4S, released in 2011, is running the latest iOS version. Officially.
Yeah and my iPad was updated to the latest version and now it's completely fucked. Might as well be bricked. Talked to Apple and their solution was that I buy an iPad Air 2 LOL.
Best part is that reading online, it's happened to a ton of people and it's 100% irreversible.
That's not how this works. Android is just the software ON the phone. It's up to the manufacturer to decide to support the device or not.
FowD9 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:56:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Meanwhile an iPhone 4S, released in 2011, is running the latest iOS version. Officially.
and they make it so it runs like absolute shit on the OS... so that you go and buy the newest iphone. don't support shaddy business practices (as seen by the thread you're posting in)
Then do the apple equivalent and get a nexus from Google instead of relying on shitty manufacturers. This is coming from someone who was in your position. I don't support deliberate "obsoleting" and think that android should have a minimum support requirement on new phones.
People buy them because they look nice, run well out of the box, and they're simple. I love Android because you can fuck with it to your hearts content, but most people just want a phone that does what they need without tinkering. Most Android phones look like shit out the box; the first thing most of us do is change the homescreen and icons, but it looks cheap if you don't.
am0x ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 01:45:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you worked in the tech industry for 25 years then you would know the basics between owning a Unix system with support vs. Windows. They have their places.
On top of that, between the hundreds of laptops I have owned/used in my day, the Macbook is by far the best built machine I have ever touched. I have gone through 2 Linux machines and 3 Windows (same manufacturers in a sense, HP, Dell, Lenovo, Asus) and they absolutely could not compare even when their price tag was the same.
Yep, it works great for calls, texts, taking pictures, and web browsing. That covers about 99% of what I do with my phone and can't say i've ever wanted to customize it more. Owned many Android phones and didn't like them as much.
I also give zero shits what kind of phone anyone else chooses to use.
huppfi ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 05:05:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If that's all you want why not buy a 200$ android that can do all that too?
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huppfi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:30:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean yes if that's worth 500$ to him then yeah great for him.
If you want the fastest device, you go with iOS, not Android. The main downside of an iPhone is the screen, but I find the rest of the specs don't really matter as much when the OS is faster.
EDIT: And for fun, here's a Note 7 vs iPhone 6s speed test https://youtu.be/3-61FFoJFy0 The iPhone 6s is a full year older than the Note 7.
Wynxsu ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:11:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No AMOLED is the main thing, but their resolutions are pretty low in comparison to the competition as well (my old S4 was 1080p and the base iPhone 7 is about 720p). Hard to say at what PPI you no longer see any gains at, but the S7 is almost 600 PPI. The best iPhone is around 400 PPI.
vibrate ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:11:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In tests there is a sweet spot between PPI and performance. Pushing more pixels means faster battery drain and hotter processors, and slower performance.
Can you really see that much of a difference between 1440 and 1080 with a screen that small? (honest question because i haven't looked at a Note 7 screen)
cryolems ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:42:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nope, you can't. But it's the colors that honestly matter now.
Its one of those things that you can only really see when you are looking at it side by side, but you would say that the 2k screen looks objectively better at the same size.
Wynxsu ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 00:24:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But.... Apple invented the pixel ratio... and based it off of how far away the screen is, so technically, any iphones pixel ratio is perfect...
jimbo831 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:24:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. The A9 is better than anything on Android already and now Apple had the A10 coming. Specs are not the iPhones problem.
cowvin2 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:08:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
a couple of things to note here (haha)....
the note7 has close to 4x as many pixels to draw.
many applications are written for ios first and then ported to android because of how hard it is to do it the other way around. this means they are written to be fast on ios rather than android and they are often not seriously optimized for android.
that being said, at the end of the day, iphone users usually do have the more responsive experience, but it's just hard to say how much of it is because of the o.s.
True story! My daily driver is a 6s Plus, but I used a Nexus 5X for a few months and loved it. Also used a Galaxy Edge but really wasn't on board for that.
Thaliur ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:30:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
it's just hard to say how much of it is because of the o.s.
Judging from my years with Android, followed by a few years with Windows, and only based on System apps like phone or Messaging, I feel confident to say "a lot". A lot is how much of it is because of the OS.
am0x ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:47:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit, a reasonable response.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 00:58:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
On a 4-6inch mobile device screen, I'd prefer speed to marginally better (in terms of your ability to actually detect a difference, not numbers) resolution.
Minusguy ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:24:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How come screen is the downside? You can't see pixels at that resolution, what else you might even need?
Shiznot ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 00:55:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Man you are knee deep in the hype, it took one google search to find that the Moto Z outperforms the 6. But then again the Moto Z is newer so that's to be expected as everyone has better performance every year.
The obvious conclusion is the iPhone uses good hardware but is indistinguishable from similar competition. In the end they are all just ARM CPUs and GPUs made by the same companies and apple doesn't have magic code that outperforms google.
TLDR; You are claiming Red outperforms blue because you like the color red...
Not knee deep in anything. It literally took me 2 seconds to find one of hundreds of articles showing the Iphone 6s was the fastest on the planet. Ok, so the Moto Z is (or was) and now the 7 will be. The funny thing is, I don't buy into any hype. I've owned and used both Android and Apple devices, I prefer PCs to Macs (would never own a Mac) and am not a fanboy of any certain device. I just like the Iphone better than any other phone I've had over the years. It does what I want it to do, I like the design and I like the ease of use. If that bothers people like you.....well tough. It seems to me that the people that are knee deep in the hype are the Android fans who have a coronary anytime someone doesn't bow down and worship their obviously superior handsets. I would make fun of Apple users that act the same way. Couldn't care less what everyone buys as long as they like it.
Shiznot ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 01:09:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ok, so the Moto Z is (or was) and now the 7 will be
Glad you concede the point.
worship their obviously superior handsets.
I said they were equal, you said apple was superior. Objectively they are equal, your biases are what people are attacking.
Couldn't care less what everyone buys as long as they like it.
How is a synthetic benchmark of a better test of a phones capabilities than a benchmark of actual use cases?
Shiznot ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:25:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because it is objective. Also as I have told others the reviewer is actually just opening shitloads of apps intentionally because he knows android allows more background processes than iOS, this way he can use a click bait title and claim mythical superiority.
Objectively shows which phone gives higher benchmark numbers. While the video may not paint a complete picture, I still find it more useful than benchmarks, as it covers a use case.
Shiznot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:48:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
See above point about background processes rigging the video, that's adjustable in android btw but not in iOS.
Does it matter when most people have no idea how to change that setting, or potentially lack technical ability to do so? I assume you have to root to do it as well? That's why comparisons are usually done on the stock experience and not after someone roots their phone, installs CM, and overclocks.
Regardless, the reason doesn't really matter. People will just think "Hey, I use that many apps, and the iPhone opens them quicker", and they'd be right in doing so. Of course, this is for one particular use case.
Shiznot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:15:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Does it matter when most people have no idea how to change that setting, or potentially lack technical ability to do so?
The handset manufacturer can set it and android lets power users do what they want. I claim the two are equal but that is still a point in androids favor no matter what you say.
I assume you have to root to do it as well?
NO
That's why comparisons are usually done on the stock experience and not after someone roots their phone, installs CM, and overclocks.
See above, stock android does this.
"Hey, I use that many apps, and the iPhone opens them quicker", and they'd be right in doing so. Of course, this is for one particular use case.
Lack of choice GOOD, got it. That's been apple's motto for years.
The default experience is what should be judged. That particular menu is hidden by default and most people aren't power users anyways.
In addition, I haven't yet seen a video where changing this setting makes the Note 7 beat an iPhone.
Shiznot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:59:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The default experience is what should be judged.
That experience varies depending on what the manufacturer set, also I'd put even odds on the guys setting the value to maximum so his video would be more shocking(click bait).
In addition, I haven't yet seen a video where changing this setting makes the Note 7 beat an iPhone.
With these kinds of tests the results are all subjective, the only objective test in benchmarks. Even there they don't conclude much because each has different strengths. The end result is that some people like one and some like the other.
The point you are incessantly trying to prove, that either is in a concrete way better than the other simply CANNOT be proven because in the end it comes down to choice and circumstance.
I didn't try to prove anything, because that'd be ridiculously difficult. I linked a video that I thought was a useful real-world test. Sure, I believe it also supports my opinion that the iPhone is faster.
It's very true, even Samsung's newest phone Note 7 got its doors blown off from an iPhone 6S, a phone that should have no right competiting with it in terms of specs and now outdated. The iPhone 7 will probably make that gap even larger.
I've been very critical of some of Apple's recent decisions. But that is one area the iPhone is simply unmatched. It's not even close, the iPhone 6S and presumably iPhone 7 simply is the fastest phone. The Andriod better specs argument means nothing when in actual everyday use, it's much slower. Apples lower specs actually increase battery life as well.
The iPhone user experience is simply faster/better. Well, I guess if you like a slow OS then it's worse, but iOS has always been very quick because Apple know exactly what they are working with.
Shiznot ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:20:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Samsung's newest phone Note 7 got its doors blown off from an iPhone 6S
Not the fastest android phone.
Received better reviews than iphone.
doors blown off
Pandering, stupid exaggeration.
Edit: Video of the test here.
Youtube video by some random dude is proof world is flat. Also this occurs because iOS gimps their multitasking because they belive their users are stupid. The test is intentionally rigged to start background processes on android aka bullshit pandering.
Why are you bringing reviews into this? We were talking about speed. Please, by all means show me a video of a speed test where an Andriod phone beats the iPhone 6S. Or you can continue coming up with excuses and discrediting any evidence shown to you like you have with multiple people so far. LOL, you're like the Apple fanboys you hate just in Andriod form. Two sides of the same coin.
Shiznot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:38:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
See above post, last section. (The test is intentionally rigged to start background processes on android aka bullshit pandering.)
you're like the Apple fanboys you hate just in Andriod form. Two sides of the same coin.
NOPE, I was always claiming they are roughly equal. Others were seeking to prove the mytical superiority of iOS.
It's the phones that are two sides of the same coin.
Then find some other test where it isn't as you say rigged. There are hundreds of tests online that show speed tests.
This isn't some unknown subject were discussing. Even the majority of readers over at /r/Android understand that because Apple can focus on a specific set of specs, they can optimize the OS for that hardware. If the phones OS's were somewhat equal, the speed tests would have the Androids destroying the iPhones because they have more powerful hardware. But surprise surprise, that's not what happens. If you're not going to show any evidence, there's no point in continuing this conversation.
Shiznot ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:51:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then find some other test where it isn't as you say rigged.
Benchmarks, moto Z
because Apple can focus on a specific set of specs, they can optimize the OS for that hardware
Nexus/Flagships
the speed tests would have the Androids destroying the iPhones because they have more powerful hardware
Neither are really that much better than the other, six of one and half a dozen of the other.
If you're not going to show any evidence, there's no point in continuing this conversation.
Benchmarks show they are roughly equal with the trend that newer hardware is better. Reviews point at different devices but newer stuff is always reviewed better. All of this should be obvious to you if you could be objective.
Shiznot ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 01:14:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I did, still wrong, also shitty test, objectively stupid premise to post a youtube video as proof of anything. I could go on but your choice-supportive bias makes me queasy.
All the proof you guys submit is just cherry picked to support yourself, the two are equal.
Got one apple and one android device. The android is always laggy, the pixels on the screen are more obvious, and the OS just looks ugly. Yeah I got more options on Android, but I'm not using any of those, so how does that make Android better? I'll stick with my apple thx, if you got a problem with the fact that it cost more, well that's just it, your problem.
I'll be buying the new iPhone as well as the Airpods as soon as they come out and it's definitely not as a fashion accessory. Sorry you can't comprehend that people like different products than you.
barjam ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:50:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like my apple devices and absolutely abhorred the android tablet I had. The MacBook is the only device that allows you to develop for everything (I am a software developer).
Those are my reasons. I don't particularly care about specs as long as it is fast enough for what I do.
If you're basing your Android experience on a tablet, I'm sorry you had to go through that. The phone experience is much better, not much has been optimized for tablets.
barjam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:44:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have heard that but my tablet must match the phone (ecosystem) so for me android isn't a usable platform.
They buy Apple products for the operating system. Windows is trash, and Linux is too complicated and not used widely enough for the average user to adopt.
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vibrate ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:13:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People think that higher price means higher quality.
The iPhone 6 plus costs the same as the Nexus 6P or Galaxy S3, Sony Xperia Z4.
I used to think the same way until I tried to find a PC laptop that meant every single spec and feature of a Macbook pro. Couldn't find anything close for less than twice the price.
I find that most people who make statements like yours think they know everything, but often know the least.
The only thing that is keeping me with my iPhone these days is the fact that my grandmother got me an Apple Watch this past Christmas and I couldn't imagine having a phone without a smart watch anymore. I know that there are other smart watches and they're better, but I don't have the income right now for a phone and a watch.
I really like getting my notifications to my watch instead of my phone. Also, I have the app called Dark Sky, which has an Apple Watch complication, so the current weather is also displayed on the watch face. I also answer calls on it semi-frequently.
I'll bite I guess. I prefer the simplicity of the iPhone. I don't dislike Android phones, but a lot of what android offers are things I simply wouldn't use. Wireless charging, NFC and the customization are nice to have for most, but I just wouldn't utilize those functions.
I find the things I use most on my phone work much better on the iPhone. The keyboard is amazing.
The most important thing for me in a smartphone is the camera. And nothing I have tried beats the quality and user experience that the iPhone offers. The iPhone 7+ camera looks amazing, but I just don't want that screen size.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:53:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like the built in podcast app, I have tried a lot of the android ones like podcast addict but they are not as good. I have the iphone SE and it serves my purpose now, but if apple continues in this direction then I will probably have to switch back to android.
Fuzzdump ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:56:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Over priced and under specced in comparison to their non Apple counter parts.
I'm wondering what exactly you did in the tech industry if you think iPhones are "underspecced."
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:56:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have no idea why anyone would buy an Apple product anymore
Because some of us have zero desire to hack our phone or have it explode in our pockets?
Unpopular opinion: I actually don't think this is a bad decision. I already prefer my bluetooth headphones. I hate wires. I wouldn't miss my headphone jack at all.
Also, as an avid gamer, web developer, and long-time Apple hater: My Macbook Pro is the best computer I've ever had. I don't use it for gaming, but for everything else it is flat out better in every way than my Windows machines have been.
Unfortunately, I find most people that went from Android to Apple came from Samsung because they think that OS represents all of Android. The Nexus experience is much better in terms of less clutter and has frequent security updates. It also doesn't experience the ~2 year slowdown a lot of Samsung devices seem to have where they drag through everything. Also it sounds like Google Photos wasn't around when you had your phone because it is by far the best and easiest photo syncing/storage app.
I don't understand why people are always so confused about this.
"Specs" don't matter to a majority of the computer-buying public. For most of us, every computer is more powerful than we'd ever need.
And price? People pay for things based on more than just linear value. Thats why brands exist. And it's not even just a "I want an Apple to be trendy" thing either. It's other (seemingly silly) stuff like "I really like the look of that computer," or "that has a great design," or "wow, that's really easy to use," etc.
they're so much safer/ better/ faster/ better looking/ newer. Apple even says so!
I have had an apple fangirl call me a piece of shit because I kept pointing out my phone did what here's did, sometimes better and more. She started and wouldn't stop going on about how my phone was trash so I spoke up because it was annoying. She was the manager of a candy store I was visiting for the first time. I haven't gone there since.
cryolems ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:40:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not even close to under specced. That's just wrong. How do you even figure that given that the 6s is beating out any current Galaxy or HTC or hell any other smartphone?
I'm by no means thrilled with the 7 as of now but damn how blindly do you have to have something to become oblivious?
Oh, and almost every other quality smartphone costs as much as an iPhone. $299 really ain't out of the ballpark anymore.
DJ-2000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:41:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because I like the interface and they do the job.
I'm not sure I'd buy this new version, at least not until I see how the no headphone jack thing works.
But I am yet to find an Android phone that has an interface I like nearly as much as the Apple one and I'm obviously aware of the flaws of the Apple phone, but honestly I just don't care. I like using it.
But then, I have never worked in the tech industry.
MarzMan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:44:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Over priced and under specced in comparison to their non Apple counter parts.
In the past 25 years when has this been not true?
LucaYo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:47:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Personally every single person I text has an iPhone so it's really great to all have iMessage, and group iMessages. Plus iPhone's tend to be much faster and efficient than Android phones, regardless of specs. On top of that, I've been using iPhone since the 3G when I was 13, and have been jailbreaking with iPod since 11/12. I HATE having stock OS, I can deal with it, but I love having a jailbreak and probably won't get the 7+ until a jailbreak comes.
There's also other things like Snapchat looks shitty on Android and overall I see no reason to switch to an Android, it'll just be worse for me not having iMessage with my friends and having to learn everything over again.
Sure it's expensive but for some people that isn't a problem and many people fail to realize that it seems.
Edit: Also I forgot that my whole family has iPhone so it makes it easy for us with our iMessage group chat and Find My iPhone to see where each other are and such, also we're subscribed to Apple Music which I love, so literally there's tons of reasons to buy an iPhone but people seem to point directly to the fact that Android has a few additional features that can be totally useless to some people.
byho ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:48:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I only went iphone because of one thing, the charger was significantly better. Not in terms of how fast it charges, but on my android I had to push down my charger to make my phone actually charge, and then I had to wrap my phone with the cord to make it stay charging. Yup... literally the only reason... and I deeply regret it.
avboden ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:49:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like you don't actually work in the tech industry if that's all you have to say.
The gold phone was called the Kardashian phone. The answer to your question is that apple users are shallow and materialistic easily manipulated sheep. Most can't afford a Range Rover, so they buy an apple. Dr. Seuss wrote a book about apple people called The Sneetches. You should check it out.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:57:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
iPhones are faster than any other phone. Just YouTube opening and closing of apps videos.
If most Android phones came "virgin" like the Google Nexus phones instead of heavily tampered with that never get critical security and other updates plus a ton of junk I'll never use (this one is less an issue unless it takes up HALF THE GODDAMN PHONE) that's unremovable I'd consider. A minor issue I'd eventually learn around is the massively unstandardized interfaces that always seem confusing.
Why in the fuck do I see so many edits apologizing to Apple fanboys? Why the fuck would you say sorry for this?
jimbo831 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:23:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I severely doubt your tech bonafides if you think the iPhone is under specced. It's chipset is second to none. It usually has the best camera or damn close. It's internal storage access speeds blow away the competition. Just read the Anandtech review of the last several iPhones. It blows away the competition in performance. The A9 SOC is already the best mobile SOC available and the A10 will just be better. You have some biased views if you think the iPhone is under specced.
You don't buy apple products for innovation and for the latest tech (ignoring the original iphones). You buy apple products because you get a device that just always works and is built with quality hardware. Don't get me wrong, I use a Nexus 6 for my phone so I'm not a iPhone user. However, I have both a macbook and a windows computer and the OS on Apple is hands down cleaner and has far less hassles, bugs, crashes, and just problems in general. The overall build quality is also much better than most windows computers (the only ones built as nice are priced the same).
What do you do to believe this? It's not magic and it's not purely marketing. Apple does many things right and you should know if you've apparently been working in the tech industry for 25 years.
Most of my friends switched from Androids to iPhones, saying that iOS is easier to use and more stable.
I switched from BlackBerry because it lacked apps. I'm more than happy to switch back to BlackBerry z10 if it's app world is any similar to the app store
If you really work in tech, you should know that specs don't mean shit.
amoxvox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:41:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm definitely not an apple fan and I'm annoyed as many others from lack of so many age old features. But The one good thing about Apple products that no one can deny is that they have great processing that is battery efficient and less prone to hangs/ crashes.
Oi mate, I think you need to get your eyes out of your ass.
Fadic4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:02:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love iOS and the apple Eco system. Besides, every phone will come with the adopter. I feel like 90% of people won't give a shit about the aux cord removal. I'm getting a 7+ 128gb ASAP
Man, I'm so disappointed in apple. I used to have the iPhone 4s, and that that thing was a beast at the time. I loved everything about that phone. I dropped it so many times and it still wouldn't break, and it was so fast compared to other phones in the market. After the 4s, apple just kinda fell off.
Now I'm using the Note 3, and I'm surprised by how well it still works.
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Santi871 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:37:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So you're saying I get more features and less restrictions in the same price range. That's exactly the point.
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Well the only reason the specs are better is because Android is usually a bloated turd of an OS by the time the manufacturer and carrier are done fucking with it.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:20:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Sorry, not familiar with Canadian Telecom practices.
Still, I would argue that most android users are not on a Nexus system, and Carriers and Manufacturers all adding bloatware seriously impacts performance.
emd2013 ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 01:35:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
found the dumbass
akiva23 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:54:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm using a blackberry
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:02:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have no idea why anyone would buy an Apple product anymore
Look, you can say Apple < Other products but you obviously do know why people buy them. We don't live in a world where products can only sell if they're the best.
I don't get that statement since this is about Apple's lack of headphone jack and Windows phones have headphone jacks. But the platform is indeed a sinking ship. A beautiful ship that did so much right...
I honestly cant agree with this choice apple has made. I think its inevitable that the physical audio jack as standard on a phone will go away. And to apples credit, there is a dongle you can get if you really want to use the audio jack.
However, I use my audio jack on my phone a few times a week. For me, I use it while running, because all Bluetooth headphones iv found for working out suck. I also dont think battery technology has advanced far enough for bluetooth audio to be the only option as standard on a phone. And while the dongle is included, I can handle call it an improvement to need to carry around an extra, easily lost piece of hardware just to get that functionality.
I think this is a bad move at this point, and if I was in the market for a new phone would definitely come into my decision making process.
Realistically they have only given people a reason not to buy the phone, where one never existed previously.
NecroJoe ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:49:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And while the dongle is included, I can handle call it an improvement to need to carry around an extra, easily lost piece of hardware
Wouldn't you just leave it attached to your headphones? Unless you're walking around your house, moving your headphones from source to source, this part doesn't seem like a big deal to me.
because all Bluetooth headphones iv found for working out suck
the new JLAB Epic 2 headphones are awesome, 12 hour battery life on Bluetooth 4.0. I have really enjoyed them since I got them a few months ago. As someone who has used all kinds of bluetooth headphones because I do not care for the wires I found them to be the best for sound and performance and battery life.
am0x ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:58:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All bluetooth headphones suck. I am on pair 3 (first one was bad, but I paid $25 for them) and the past 2 have sounded really good and one I got on sale for $40.
I haven't used the headphone jack on my phone for at least 3 years now, possibly 4. My car has built in Bluetooth and I have stereo Bluetooth headphones. The AptX bitrate is higher than Pandora or Spotify's and my podcasts are not so well produced that you could tell the difference. Either way it all sounds better than SiriusXM and plenty of people pay for that apparently.
Also the 3.5mm adapter ships in the box with the phone.
The only true nitpick I can see people making is that with both the included headphones and the adapter there isn't a way to charge while they're plugged in currently. Although that will likely become the "_____gate" for this iPhone and Apple will ship updated adapters and EarPods in a few months with a lighting port on them to allow simultaneous charging and listening.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:23:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
My Bluetooth headphones may not match the quality of high end headphones, but the audio quality is more than sufficient. 99% of the population won't notice or care about the difference.
There's an opportunity for people buying mid range headphones to get a better experience by getting headphones with a better DAC built in that they wouldn't have otherwise because such things are like magic to most people.
The company does offer alternatives, though. The iPhone 7 will come with wired headphones that plug into the Lightning charger port of the iPhone, as well as a $9 adapter that plugs into the port so people can use their traditional headphones.
dumahim ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 23:58:00 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, but will you be able to charge while using the adapter?
[deleted] ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 00:00:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Richy_T ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:27:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It should still fit in the microwave.
Mezujo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:58:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Which is ridiculous.
If you're going to make a phone with only one hole in the bottom for two purposes, then you should probably make one of those purposes redundant.
Not make it so I have to shell out 160 dollars for overpriced pieces of crap in order to accomplish something that I could accomplish without paying the extra on my current phone.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:12:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They are the company that made a laptop with one USB C port for I/O and charging. I can't wait till they remove the audio jack from it. Then it'll have one port for all I/O, charging, and audio. Lol. Get go fuck yourselves, Apple.
Does anyone bitch that the iPad only has one port? No, because people charge it when you're not using it and the batteries are so damn good. That is the same with the new MacBook.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:20:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The iPad is a media consume device. The MacBook is a laptop, if should have more I/O
Io for what? You can do everything wirelessly now, no point on an ultra portable.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:56:35 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh I don't know. Using any USB device while charging. Just because it's possible to do everything wirelessly doesn't mean you have the wireless equipment to do it all the time everywhere. Especially since wireless shit needs charging.
With the batteries being so good, almost nobody charges them while using them.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:46:21 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's an excuse, not a reason. With one more port you could have the option to do both in a situation where you need them. Not to mention if you want to use more than one USB device. 1 I/O port for charging and peripherals is an annoyance.
Not when you never charge in while using it. I don't even take my power brick in my commuter bag anymore with my air and never use more than one of its ports at a time.
DSJ13 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:55:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I heard CNNs coverage of the announcement today. The reporter literally said something like "no more headphone jack, this is going to revolutionize the way we think about electronics"
Literally every time I use my phone for music in the car I also plug in a charger. I can't own an iPhone 7 even if I liked iPhone's. It's completely impractical.
I actually don't think it's a new speaker in its place, I think they just improved the microphone. In the stereo microphone graphics, it looks like the second speaker is the one on top for phone calls, so they just boosted there volume on that.
b00st3d ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:13:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except they replaced the headphone jack with a ton of stuff.
Haptic feedback engine. Bigger battery. Stereo speaker. Made it easier for 7 water resistant rating.
The processor is 33% faster (sucks up more juice) the screen is 25% brighter (sucks up more juice) and yet the battery lasts LONGER. That's quite a difference in battery life.
And it does have a better DAC to help with shit Bluetooth quality.
It has most of the shit you asked them to replace the headphone jack with. I need to go lay down because I'm laughing too hard right now.
Stereo sound is actually really nice. It's been a staple on most phones for a couple years and when you hear how tinny and distorted everything sounds from an iPhone in comparison it makes it obvious I could never go back to that. If you want a useless feature to make you wonder "why bother" how about a home buttonsensor that vibrates when you touch it, so it almost feels like a real button.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:30:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Why does everyone keep saying this? It's one on the top and one on the bottom. And if you're watching something, your phone would be turned on its side, so it works out pretty well.
DMod ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:35:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everybody who has encountered a phone with stereo sound - my Nexus 6 blows away my (admittedly quite shitty, it's not a very fair comparison) laptop speakers in quality and volume and it's not even close.
Thomjones ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:44:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What's dumber is other phones putting in dual speakers and shit AND still having the jack. Apple engineers can't be these stupid.
[deleted] ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 02:14:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:53:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, but there are a bunch of different Androids, tons of variety to choose from, while apple only has IPhones, the one branch.
ffstriker ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 03:11:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Which is apart of the android problem.
To many hands in the cookie jar
Infin1ty ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 03:59:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's not a problem, it's exactly what Android was designed to do. You don't create open source software and expect it to be used in limited fashions.
pupuusas ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 00:54:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've had it.. I'm getting an Android next.. Any suggestions?
jpark28 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:30:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait for the new Nexus (Pixel). It won't have some of the bells and whistles of the Samsung Galaxy line, but the OS will run smoother and stay that way longer.
Senju19 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:05:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Unless your getting a really cheap Android phone (50-100) I don't think what you described is relevant. I have a Galaxy S6 and have not once experienced any slow down of my OS. I used to be a nexus purist but as long as you have a decent CPU and ram Android is stable. I just splash the pure Android theme and Android launcher on it and it's like having a nexus with extra cool features.
LG's low-mid range phone seem to be great in my experience, but I really hate their more expensive options. I had a G4 that would always overheat and freeze until it got a bootloop issue, and my replacement had similar issues.
However, my friends' LG K7 and my dad's LG Transpyre were both excellent performers for the price. What do you like about the Stylo 2?
nonplanar ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:36:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Yea, the top end HTC 10, all the Galaxy S and Note, and two new nexus models. 6-7 phones that are all very good. Rest comes down to things like screen size, build quality, carrier, and price.
Edit: poor timing on my part(new models around the corner), but I recently got a Nexus 5X from Google Fi($199 + $30 for a month of service). /r/android doesn't seem like a huge fan, but it's a great little device with all Android features implemented well. Great camera, mostly fluid software, slim design, good screen, OK battery, poor speaker. I was going to sell it and buy a new device shortly, but I feel like this device is great so far after a month of usage. I might just keep it for a while :) Plus, the US version works on all carriers.
You forgot the most important... a 3.5 mm aux port :)
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:40:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Stick with Google's version of their own operating system. Their new phones will be out soon. Previously known as Nexus, but they'll be called Pixel go match their tablet and expensive Chromebook.
I used to love rooting my phones. It was my favorite hobby, since the old days of the LG Ally.
But I got the Samsung Galaxy S7, and found out it also has a locked bootloader.
But to be honest, it's such a great phone, I don't really miss root. It already lets me do everything I used to use root for. I even hear that my current phone can be rooted now, but I can't be bothered. The S7 is pretty damn solid...
S7 Edge, Note 7 or whatever they're called are great. The Nexus is also great, obviously.
Those are the high-priced top-tier phones.
OnePlus 3 is the next best thing imo. About $200 cheaper for essentially the same thing. Better on some things, neutral on some things, worse(?) on some things. Imo it's better than all the phones out there right now except the Note 7. I really liked that thing, just as much as my OnePlus 3.
myokan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:21:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait for the new Nexus phones (or pixel now), and see how they are. You really can't go wrong with them given that they are Google's babies. The Nexus 6p from last year is arguably the best Android phone ever made.
Other manufactures make great phones too, but they like to do Android "their way" which in every case has been regarded as inferior to the pure Android run on Google's phones (outside of niche uses).
Make a post on /r/Android to help you decide. Obviously lots of Nexus (Pixel) devouts, but also plenty of Samsung, HTC, LG, OnePlus, Moto and other users to help you decide.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:37:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i like huawei, good quality to price correlation, but if you want garanteed quality go for samsung
Evgarian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:47:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The OnePlus 3 will probably be my next phone. It's gorgeous, has incredible specs, and is very affordable. It's like an Android iPhone clone right down to the aluminum body and button layout so it's a pretty smooth transition.
When the rumors of the removed headphone jack seemed way more plausible a few weeks ago, I, too, left Apple for Android. I have zero regrets (but my note 7 hasn't exploded yet). Switch. You won't regret it.
Doonce ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:50:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Note7. I love the phone. Plus, there will possibly be cheaper refurbished ones soon.
Google phones get the latest updates first and run stock android. I've had the 6P for 6 months now and its amazing.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:16:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Good luck with that buggy shit with an 8 core processor that still performs worse than the dual core A series.
Oh and good luck getting updates after a year or two.
BGYeti ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:50:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait for Motorola to announce there next phone after the Z if you are not looking currently if you are go for the Moto Z Play since they decided to remove the 3.5m, jack with the basic Moto Z, that or the Galazy series, both great phone lines that offer you the best performance and battery life.
LG G4= Amazing and aside a few issues, was in love.
Note 7= I'M IN LOVE (but may return it because of recall and checkout the V20)
All that to say: Love the Note 7 in everyway aside from not having a dual rear camera
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 03:34:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Was anyone asking for a thinner phone?? This is a power move to sell shitty accessories and to make the genius bar more busy with broken flimsy phones.
Nobody needs a thinner phone we need them more sturdy, bigger battery, more space and better camera.
This phone isn't thinner. It has a bigger battery instead of being thinner.
WrenSC2 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:38:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody needs a thinner phone
Thank you!
Fuck!, it was fine when phones were half as thick as a brick but god damn whats a guy gotta do to get a decent battery around here these days?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:27:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
if the iphone had the same thickness as the 3GS, people would be sooooooo happy. Imagine all the tech they can fit in that thing.
ofrance ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 06:30:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Literally, it's 2016. And your comment is idiocy. Grow the fuck up, and google something if you have a question. Analog cables are bullshit. Ask the HDMI port in your tv.
Dumbest comment I've read all day, thanks for the laugh. And the iPhone 7 isn't even thinner...
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:40:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:07:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Remove core functionality and put it into additional accessories. It's a money grab. They have their users exactly where they want them, now they're gonna fuck em.
Exactly! I wish more people would realise this. Im a bit annoyed that I won't have a headphone jack anymore. But its true, innovate or die. Its one thing for a few random phones not many people know about taking out their headphone jacks. Android phone or not, not as many people know about those phones, as much as they know the brand Apple, or their Iphones.
And for that reason, its as if Apple is the first one to do this. (Key words: as if).
One of the big companies would have eventually made a change like this (and made a stupidly big showcase about it). Apple knew they had to be the ones to do it first, with a big launch for the most visibility, to make the biggest statement; compared to the other phones I didn't even know about, let alone them losing their headphone jacks.
I wouldnt be surprised if Android fully follows this trend too. Id imagine all the big phone companies will start doing things like this, putting their own twist on it and trying to figure out what will work best. Our tech world will eventually work its way past the headphone jack.
I doubt it will be obsolete any time soon. But tech always moves forward, and big business knows this very well.
I wonder what people would be saying if Android had suddenly released this same thing in a big launch for all future phones. Would people praise them for their innovation? Or would they be annoyed they lost their headphone jack?
Would it be a mixture of both?
Or would people just slander the decision, no matter what it is, purely because it has the name Android attached to it?
OldShoe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:55:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When Apple does these changes it always feels too early. But in retrospect not one of the changes caused any big problems, at least not for me or anyone I know.
I hope this puts pressure on the manufacturers of Bluetooth earpods/headsets and make them compete hard for price, battery life, weight and other things.
-kljasd- ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:25:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Please don't interrupt the circlejerk
xeromage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:21:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They should have tried diverting power from thrusters and reinforcing the deflector field with a focused chronoton burst. :P
newsagg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:36:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
absolute bullshit
Diknak ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:39:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's called spin. . .
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:42:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They do, but they're so rich and out of touch with the world that they just assume everyone can buywireless headphones and stream via Bluetooth or CarPlay when driving.
jrpjesus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:50:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i mean they know they are making a premium product at $800. If you can't afford the $9 dongle you probably shouldn't buy an $800 phone.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:32:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of people don't look at it as an $800 phone. For a lot of is it was a $200 phone because we had contracts anyway, or a $30 a month phone on top of our already overpriced cell phone bill. Not everyone buys them outright.
Do many of you not realize that Motorola(Lenovo) already launched a phone with no 3.5mm jack? Like 2 or 3 months ago? Apple didn't even do it first and get the most flack for it.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:21:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm assuming because with Motorola, there are plenty more android phones out there rather than only one choice of iPhone (excluding older generations).
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:55:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:59:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, you're right. I forgot about that one actually.
That's the same reason why people buy Apple to begin with. Because of cool kids.
Thomjones ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 03:07:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cuz they fucking deserve it. I don't go around selling people shit with a 300% mark up, brag about being all about America, and then go to other countries to avoid paying taxes. Tout how I'm all about helping the little man while paying my store employees shit. They steal everyone's ideas and brag about how revolutionary they are. If they didn't bullshit so much I wouldn't care that much. Don't even get me started on that "We can't access that iPhone bc backdoors" horseshit. It was complete and utter bullshit, a giant PR jerk off circle meant to make them look good and save money. People fell for it it hook, line, and sinker. Y'know, like they don't already give out your info for money or subpoena. At least Steve Jobs openly admitted to stealing ideas and jacking up prices just because.
I read the comments. I browse the Internet. The vast majority of Apple hate is in regard to Android being better, from people that use Android. Reply to any comment hating on Apple in this thread and ask them if they have or plan on buying an iPhone.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:38:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Tomman89 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:55:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What about Windows PhONE!?!?!
Fede1195 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:59:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Who..?
bsox59 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:52:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Really all the outrage is misplaced. I remember when people used to knock the idea of the iphone because it didn't have a tactile keyboard, and now not even Blackberry makes phones with keyboards anymore. People simply adapt to the new technology, and then they forget that there was any adoption issues in the first place.
Eventually we will go through the cycle again, and people will complain that the next generation of phones need to be implanted in the colon. But just remember: we will get used to colon phones.
Apple couldn't think if any commonly pre-existing features they could add and claim innovation so they're removing features and calling it innovation instead.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 07:19:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol. The camera, A series SOC, haptic engine, screen tech, 3D Touch. Literally none of that is anywhere else on the market.
chowies ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:51:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, its like Apple is trying so hard to be different, they come up with useless "innovations" that make people use extra effort to do their thing. And that extra effort becomes sort of a positive reinforcement that makes you think that the whole effort was worth something.
An adaptor is supplied with the phone so you can use the aux cable still... also I get the joke but this is no android exclusive, Tv's have them, other mobile phones have them, laptops and PC's have them... Hell, he'll be claiming it's a microsoft exclusive next.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 10:56:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Most people will get third party bluetooth headphone, also yes if they wan't to carry on using standard headphones.
Also it doesn't personally look any more cumbersome.
"cough cough" Windows Phones still have this feature too
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:52:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I left Apple for a Note 5 last year. I love it, but I was debating about returning to Apple. This basically showed me that I was justified in my choice. Shame. I liked my old iPhone.
Tabe12 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:57:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Aaaaaand Apple reached the top and are now going downhill.
Comder ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 01:39:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't get this decision by apple. It honestly adds more clutter and crap to the phone to be able to use the headphones. Especially if you are going to want to listen to headphones and charge at the same time.
g-j-a ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:46:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
listen to headphones and charge at the same time.
And on that point, my Priv does wireless charging.
Yeah, but do you really want to lug an extra adaptor around?
[deleted] ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 01:47:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
just plug it in to your headphones...once
NecroJoe ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 01:51:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can't charge while using it. So if I get to my desk and want to get some work done before I need to head out for a meeting, I have to choose between music and charging before I head out...or use expensive wireless earbuds with worse sound, and short battery life. Seems like an awful lot of PITA for a change which really didn't net any improvements.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:04:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
You are compairing them to skill candy that's why you can't tell the difference. The $30 wireless heaphones are probably BETTER than the skull candy. Seriously skull candy makes beats look good.
2Nash ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:22:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
$15 wired headphones are better than skull candies
Sorry, let me explain. The stuff in today's phones are fighting for space. Every sq. cm is incredibly valuable. If it's not essential or can be replaced, they will. If they can eliminate a whole port and a DAC they can free up space in future iPhones. Additionally, the 3.5, designed in 1964, is much thicker than the Lightning, thus allowing future iPhones to be thinner.
That's a weird random scenario. But to answer your question. Just plug both your phone and your headphones into your computer. You can listen to songs on your phone in iTunes. Your phone gets charged and you get music.
Or you can just listen to music on your computer. Spotify, google music, Pandora, whatever.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:50:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
why should some have to think so much just to listen some music on their phone?
Lol sorry I struggle with organization. One more essential cable would be bad.
UberVice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:56:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, not just "once." I have several pairs of headphones for different uses. I'm not going to keep track of a tiny ass adapter when I should be able to plug in and use the devices I already own, and have owned for YEARS.
Topper82 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:07:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
lug
Seriously? It's a 3.5mm adapter. I don't like the decision, but c'mon.
Androids don't inherently come with bloatware, that's the carriers and sometimes manufacturers. And if you don't want to root to remove it you can disable it from the settings.
You can't charge the phone and have a jack inserted at the same time. So people who are on their phones all day and wanna charge it in the car and listen to music can't if they only have an aux cord.
shokalion ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 01:44:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
charging while listening
Not having to use an adapter that you could lose, and then have to give Apple another $40
potential for DRM on music now the only analog out has been removed.
Just food for thought.
I'm happy with my Note 4 that just lets me do what I want without the bullshit.
The out is still Analog. Otherwise the adapter wouldn't work.
All the processing and conversion is still being done in the phone, just instead of being sent down a jack, it's being sent down the lighting connector.
So the Lightning connector is capable of still putting out straight-up analog audio as well as digital?
I don't know for sure but it wouldn't at all surprise me if even that diminuitive cable had a DAC built into it. That's how they did the lightning-to-30-pin adapter for audio, and that's similar.
What if I own multiple pairs of headphones? What if I have auxiliary port in my car? What if I go somewhere and want to plug in my phone into somebody's speaker at their house?
Theothor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:35:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just buy 5 adapters jeez
jrpjesus ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:58:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you and nobody you know owns any Bluetooth compatible devices maybe don't buy an $800 phone?
No respectable car audio system or home speaker system is going to use Bluetooth.
jrpjesus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:26:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The reality is the vast majority of users are listening to audio at relatively low quality levels, with many users streaming exclusively. They don't care if their system isn't respectable. And any car audio or home speaker system that doesn't support Bluetooth (as an option) is as neutered as the iPhone 7.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:01:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe because audiophiles are a minute and negligible percentage of their customer base? People spending significant amounts of money on high end audio equipment probably aren't going to be purchasing Beats too often.
You cant charge and use aux at the same time unless you buy a spliter wich cost around 60 $.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 01:37:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can't charge your phone and have headphones in at the same time.
The adapter is 2 inches long so it will get lost super easy.
Knowing apple cables after 2 months of use that dongle will need to be in the perfect position to not short.
It allows Apple to push $160 bluetooth earbuds that cost $15 to make.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:06:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, plug the adapter into your headphones and then forget about it. Blammo never getting lost.
Apple chords have been great for me. Are you chewing on them?
I don't know how much a product that doesn't exist yet costs to manufacture.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:17:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And yet you still can't play music and charge your phone at the same time unless you get a wireless set. For audiophiles and people who can't afford 159 dollar EarPods, this is simply a terrible decision by Apple.
Does it come with lightning wired earbuds at least?
IntrovPC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:34:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm using an 18$ pair of SoundPEATS QY7s. Fantastic headphones, and Bluetooth on my 6s+. You won't need a $160 pair. These actually cost me less than those shitty skull candies.
huppfi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:52:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you think those are good quality you never used good headphones...or even acceptable ones.
IntrovPC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:18:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
For Bluetooth headphones they are. And I have a pair of Audio Technica ATH M50x sitting at home that I use there, and I previously owned a pair of Sennheiser 598s I have definitely used good headphones before. The QY7 are surprisingly good for their price point and being Bluetooth. I was not talking the entire headphone spectrum but simply in In Ear Bluetooth.
huppfi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:52:52 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Alright I misunderstood. Sorry.
IntrovPC ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:44:32 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All good man. Shits hard to convey through text sometimes ๐
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:15:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fantastic for you, sure. I use a pair of 120$ IEMs that i wouldn't be able to use with the stock IPhone 7.
IntrovPC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:19:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I was just saying that you don't 'need to spend 160$' for Bluetooth headphones. I don't agree with the change but I was simply stating it wasn't as expensive as you think.
And unless i understand you wrong, you can still use your pair with the stock 7, as it comes with a converter.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:24:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah man you sure know better than fucking Apple.
Lets see how it plays out, because they definitely put more (and better) thought into it than we did.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:36:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just because Apple made the decision doesn't mean it's the right one. Saying "you guys don't know as well as Apple" is a terrible line of reasoning.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:44:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not though. This place has extremely weird and narrow views on technology, plus a predisposition for despising apple and being scared of change.
And the amount of money/man hours/ and thought that apple has poured into the iphone 7 is, believe it or not, a lot better than what the goobers that hang out on reddit think up.
If reddit designed a phone, it would have a full keyboard, would be three inches thick for maximum battery and gaming hardware, and the OS would be crowdsourced.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:02:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not saying Reddit is right, either. It's just that "Apple spent a ton of time on this, so they know what they're doing" could have been said about iTunes Ping, MobileMe, and Apple Maps, too.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:05:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apple Maps is dope now though.
But yeah apple has definitely had some missteps in the past (Apple Maps not being among them), I doubt this is one of them.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:29:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A terrible decision in my opinion. In the last 8 years I've owned 2 apple devices and 2 android devices, and after this I'm not going to own an apple device again because this is such a mindfuckingly stupid change.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 02:38:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cool man. But you might want to take good care of your mom apple device because headphone jacks aren't going to be a thing in a few years regardless of the brand.
No one can fix the fact that bluetooth headphones are inherently more expensive than wired ones, and that they inherently require batteries, and that these batteries can't be very big.
And besides, Apple isn't pushing Bluetooth audio very hard. They only included Lightning earbuds with their phones, and they're charging $160 for the Bluetooth Airpods.
I agree. Another thing no one is really mentioning the fact that wireless headphones exist now. In a few years time, if you're still using wired headphones, you'll be like that one person that still uses a blackberry today.
Crypto- ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:34:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is reddit where everyone will bitch at Apple if they cured cancer.
True but it is dumb that you won't be able to plug in your headphones while you charge your phone with or without the adapter. I use my AUX cord while I charge my phone in my car all the time so it's a pretty big sewer for me.
I have a 2012 Jetta and still has only aux for some dumb fuck reason. I use a Bluetooth adopter though and works great. Surprised many people don't know about them.
link to adapter https://amzn.com/B013QJ0W8Q
This is reddit where everyone will bitch at Apple if they cured cancer.
very true, r/technology also gets a hard on for trashing Apple. Anytime anything comes out that could be taken as bad they go full force into it, kind of like this thread even though Apple wasn't even the first to take away the headphone jack, Motorola, an android manufacturer was.
I mean i use Android so I don't really care. But I think it's hilarious that you people are so small minded that you can't see a blatant cash grab. Honestly I find it hard to believe that people have drank this much of Apples koolaid.
Crypto- ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:28:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But you do care enough to call people close minded for owning iPhones.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:20:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yea, I dunno. I'm sure there will also be an adapter that allows charging while listening too, very soon. I think mostly it just helps reenforce the narrative that Apple has their heads up their asses for a lot of folks.
Kapody ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:47:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's for people who want to listen to music and charge their phone at the same time. If they have an adapter for that then you're right, there is no reason to bitch.
I hear what you are saying but, if that's the answer, why bother to get rid of it in the first place? "They got rid of the battery... So what's the big deal they gave you an extension cord!"
Fudge89 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's only an issue if you need to charge simultaneously.
Most people don't like the hassle of having to use an extra adapter and they can't charge their phone and listen to music at the same time unless they want to use Bluetooth.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:50:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nothing says elegant design like phone adapters
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:01:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
apple isnt forcing you to use wired headphones..
jayy42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:54:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And a set of lightning headphones.
muaddeej ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:41:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because I have a set of headphones at work, at my pc, in my laptop bag, in my living room and in my car and I also hook up an aux cord in my car. So I would literally have to carry this adapter everywhere and switch it 3 or 4 times a day. And for what benefit? What do I gain for giving it up and using the adapter?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:04:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Buy a couple more adapters. And you get space for better phone components.
muaddeej ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:10:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So I have to spend extra money and be continually inconvenienced for ambiguous "better components"? I'll pass.
They had to imagine the backlash if it was sold separately and that could easily have happened if you look at apples track record
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:37:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So when I'm in my car jamming to music, how the fuck am I going to charge my phone with the charging port tied up with the goddamn adapter? Do people not listen to music in their cars on long drives? Why is this so hard to grasp?
Who gives a fuck if you're an android user, you're an idiot regardless.
The one and only real reason to complain is all of the people who like to plug their phone into their cigarette lighter in their car, and their phone's headphone jack into their car stereo's aux port. With this phone, they won't be able to do that any more.
On the flip side, it's an $800 phone. You can upgrade the stereo in just about any car to one that has wireless Bluetooth support for like $200.
Plain and simple, it's not anywhere near as big a deal as people are making it out to be.
I honestly can't even remember the last time I used the headphone port on my phone. I get in my car and it instantly connects to my phone over Bluetooth and starts streaming my Spotify playlist as I'm backing out of the driveway.
1) You're right, people are making a mountain out of a mole hill. 2) It's still an incredibly stupid design choice. They say 'it's been around for over 100 years!' like it's a bad thing. But it isn't. It's been around that long because there are almost no ways to improve upon it.
TL;DR; It's a big deal, but not that big. But it's Apple, had Samsung done this you wouldn't be seeing this as #1 on /all
chickdan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:07:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because Apple has become adapter happy and adapters are a bitch.
4609203 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:06:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:34:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Iphone 8: To make our product as slim and as lightweight as possible we've removed the screen and power button. Also to reduce strain on the processor we've removed useless apps such as the phone app.
Leedubs1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:37:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sick (chemical) burn
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 05:37:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apples apologists about this whole fiasco are pushing me even closer to Google
[deleted] ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 01:29:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, I haven't been super happy with a lot of the decisions Apple has been making since Steve's death in 2011. But I think this is a decision that Steve Jobs himself would have agreed with. Steve wasn't big on external ports, and he hated out-dated technology even more. Remember when he was ushering fire-wire versus USB? How about Thunderbolt? A blue tooth headset is not that expensive now a days, and beats the hell out of being physically tethered to the device. You guys can whine on all you want, but this is good progress, and someday (maybe years from now for some of you), you will see that.
I know I can do that, but I don't want to. I like what I have and don't want to change. At least not as long as it has to be done that way
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:38:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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CB_Ranso ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:11:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How is it more complicated? My Bose headphones can go right in my phone, no hassle waiting for the Bluetooth to connect, better sound quality, and they don't have a battery life I need to worry about. When Bluetooth can seamlessly connect and has a day long battery life then I'll hop on board, but until then I don't think they should get rid of Aux ports.
Wireless is nice, yes. But I want it in a better format before I make the change. Right now it's like a C+ type of thing, I need it to be A- at the very minimum if I'm going to be using it.
They said the same thing about NO FLASH!!!11!, NO OPTICAL DRIVE!!!, ONE PORT!!! I'm os/manufacturer agnostic--I dual boot windows on mbp, have iphone 6s, windows gaming rig, surface pro 3--but all of these moves, including the jack removal are good things. Apple chooses the course for the entire market. Flash was shitty--now its dead. Optical drives suck donkey dick--now they're dead. Wired headphones are irritating and wireless head phones sound like diarrhea--now they won't and they'll get cheaper.
The problem is 3.5mm jack isn't outdated. As far as audio goes it's superior to Bluetooth for the foreseeable future. Bluetooth operating on limited bandwidth forces it to apply lossy compression. Which wouldn't be a big problem except people overwhelmingly listen to MP3 streams. So Bluetooth only will be double compression from the source where songs are universally exported in 16 / 44.1 wave files
It's like a wireless cable box to your tv. It may "forward thinking" because it has no cables but it'll just give you a shittier picture.
So audio quality will go down for the sake of design.
No, its more like netflix. Is hbonow shittier than blueray? 100 times out of a hundred I will have a better experience with hbonow than putting pants on, driving to some store, finding a blueray disk, buying it, driving home, unpacking it and placing it in an optical drive bay. but i can't tell you the picture quality is better.
ffstriker ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:12:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is outdated. It limited so much that other jacks are ports were created to handle more in the audio world.
Digital Audio, Optical, XLR are a few that comes to mind
Except both of those are options, and you'll be hard to find a system in the past that forced you to one. The 1/4" (6.35mm) is essentially the same jack with a larger input. XLR is almost exclusively used in audio production because of balancing and impedence issues. Digital Optical is an alternative for functionality and not necessarily quality. But in 99% of those cases, you still had the 3.5mm jack somewhere.
I think thats the problem here. Apple owns a consumer electronics company, they could have spent some money on developing codecs for Bluetooth that are working on better compression instead of just forcing it.
Its all in the context of consumer electronics and not the professional audio world. In professional audio plenty of people love lightning wire because of transfer speeds. It was shoe horned in, but it had benefits that people could justify.
Even forcing an adapter to the bluetooth / lightning cable just reeks of a money grab with apple making it proprietary.
Its not some apocalypse, I probably just won't get an iphone when I upgrade but from the consumer side, theres just a bunch of question marks above our heads.
Talking about technology and innovation and "courageous". The touch screen UI was courageous. That shit brought us a step towards the future.
This is probably the right route, but they really really fucked up the timing on it. Bluetooth isn't quite there yet to completely replace wired audio when tens of millions of people are using their phones for music on a daily basis.
I'm actually on the fence regarding this decision. I think it's a bold and almost unwise move by Apple, then again I can't remember the last time I used my phone's headphone jack. I've been using Bluetooth earphones since almost forever and it's soooo amazing to not have a damn cord swinging around. That being said, I am not representative of the general demographic. I will most probably be getting the new phone however. I like iOS.
Wwwi7891 ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 01:52:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, it isn't.
d-atribe ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:01:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Show me a Bluetooth headset that will last all day without charging and you'll have a leg to stand on.
So do I; get a full Stern show in to start, then M4As between calls for the day. I mean, there may be a few 20-30 min. windows where it's paused, while I talk to someone or do something that requires more of my attention, but I only need to hit the charger every 1.5 - 3 days.
My problem is often bluetooth headphones don't work reliably in open spaces, every pair of bluetooth headphones I've had haven't worked consistently when I run out in open areas. The nicer headphones are better at dealing with this, however, I don't really want to spend 150 buckson headphones.
Also, if you have a car without bluetooth and want to go on a trip with the ability to both charge your phone and play music at the same time, you can't. Same with in house stereos and such without bluetooth. I agree eventually things will probably go to all wireless. I just personally think that it's too soon to be widely accepted.
Also, people/businesses who use the square for credit card swiping, can no longer keep their phone charged while doing this without buying extra stuff.
Overall I agreed in 2-3 years this will be mainstream, overtime all of these issues will slowly become non existent. Despite not liking the change I'm excited to see what happens.
I don't get what anyone's point is in this thread. If you don't think they're delivering an adequate level of value, then don't buy their products
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:19:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:08:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not on your life. When have they gone back on a "progressive" change? Their users just get used to the new normal.
PowerPC to Intel, USB A to USB C, 12-pin to lightning, trackpad scrolling direction, MP3 to AAC, Floppy to optical, removing optical. I could go on. But you know what's great about all those examples? They were right.
The one that didn't take would have to be FireWire, which was superior to USB (at the time). Coincidentally, that is the only change I've mentioned that was optional.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:51:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:17:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then buy a computer with an optical drive. They still exist.
Most people nowadays don't need to carry that around on a daily basis, though. Maybe music CD collectors and the odd time you want to watch a DVD (which will use your entire battery, too). I just leave my optical drive on my desk at home. On my laptop, in exchange for the optical drive I have both an SSD and a 1TB Hard Drive, but I could just as easily have opted for a thinner and lighter laptop instead. If your laptop weighs more than 4 pounds, it kind of defeats the purpose of being a laptop.
am0x ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:01:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah. They didn't go back on Flash and where is that now? If anything, wired headphones are something I already dismissed whil using my phone over a year ago. It is going to become the norm in 2-4 years.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:29:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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am0x ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:54:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There are other phones already out that don't have headphone jacks.
But another is the optical drive. You don't see those on laptops anymore and I don't know anyone who misses it. They also were the first to get rid of the floppy to replace with optical.
I've always found the quality of Bluetooth headphones to be a more than a bit shoddy. Any recommendations? I really don't want to start carrying around a "dongle"...
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 01:28:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Android users care more about iPhones than iPhone fan boys
The Android users didn't even know about this until all of the iPhone users informed the world about it.
blurry00 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:14:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The same can be said for iPhone users didn't know about the pull down notification back in the day.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:02:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Android users care about the state of technololgy. Apple is, for better or worse, a leader in this field. If they stubbornly refuse to include 3.5mm jacks, it's not like we can just ignore it and the rest of the industry won't budge. If Apple is successful, we will have to buy new devices.
Then there's the environmental impact - to say "you need to throw away your old shit" every few years is absolutely disgusting. In an era where global climate change is a major concern and front page news, to make changes that will force people to buy new shit that didn't need replacing (without a 3.5mm jack, I won't be able to plug into either my car or my home stereo) is shameful.
What technology improvements have actually been bad and made you miss how it used to be? If Apple pushes any innovation with this, it will be better. Yes, you would need a new device, but that's what happens when there's new technology. I don't know want the problem is, besides needing to feel like you belong by hating something that everyone else on Reddit hates.
yolosw3g ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:21:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
there's no guarantee about anything just because it's apple
Ionno man on here it really just seems like Android users love shitting on Apple, not for some greater good but just because they hate Apple. In the real world, yeah, Apple fan boys are more prevalent.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:20:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If I had a dollar for every time I heard "no, I mean a real phone charger" I'd have, I dunno, 11 bucks? Apple fanboys rub me the wrong way because there's this sense of "what Apple does is correct and the rest of the world needs to adopt their standards", while Android fanboys seem to be more along the lines of "jesus christ Apple why the fuck won't you just play along with the standards of the rest of the industry for fucks' sake you're ruining it for everyone".
I just don't see how Apple is "ruining" it for everyone else though. If you don't like their products, don't buy them.
gcburn2 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:04:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Almost every other manufacturer out there has been using micro USB for years and is now moving toward USB Type-C.
Meanwhile, Apple had proprietary plugs.
So instead of everyone being able to use the same plug, apple users had to buy from apple and couldn't help their android friends out in a pinch.
Could you imagine how annoying it would be if not all computers could use the standard USB Type-A connectors that are everywhere? and If you came across a Dell you'd have to have a special cable to connect?
jrpjesus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:07:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Could you imagine if all android phones slowly switched from one USB standard to another? How could they inconvenience all of their customers like that?
gcburn2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:33:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except they're switching to a new standard that literally any company can and will adopt within a year or two and there's a a tangible benefit to the customer.
Apple won't let anyone else adopt lightning so it couldn't become standard even if other manufacturers wanted it to and it provides no benefit to customers.
jrpjesus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:44:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lightning provides benefits to consumers. It's a superior cable to micro-USB and has been around for 4 years whereas the USB-C spec was only nailed down in 2014.
Dvanpat ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 02:00:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've been a iPhone user for seven years, and four phone iterations (3G, 4, 4S, 5). My Android fanboy coworker talks more about iPhones than I do (granted it's all negative), and he's going on his fourth Android phone in a year. I'm still currently rocking my iPhone 5 that I've had 3+ years, and I've put it through hell.
He still won't accept the fact that he hates iPhones because he ruined his first one trying to jailbreak it.
jpark28 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:31:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, I have an Apple fanboy coworker who talks shit about my Android phone literally any chance he gets. "Oh, what are you having for lunch? Your phone sucks."
I had my Nexus 5 for 2 years with zero issues and am now rocking a Nexus 6P for a year with zero issues. It goes both ways.
It does go both ways, but there are multiple top posts on Reddit right now of people hating Apple, which never happens for Android.
Dvanpat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:38:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Reddit collectively hates a few things, iPhones are probably #1. I got downvoted for saying I have an iPhone, next guy says the same exact thing only has an Android, and he gets upvoted.
there will be no posts because reddit doesn't like jerking the circle against androids. It has to be about apple! Because fuck people's aesthetic and artistic choices! If you're an artist, just get a thinkpad!!!
But seriously, I really am a fan of apple products. My macbook pro has a partition so i can game on the windows hard-drive, but i kept OSX for music production because it's far superior for that, and it's the industry standard.
I know. I don't think all will jump ship right away but expect some to do so in next few generations of devices
gpzal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:34:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pfft Moto did it first, copycats.
Shadowws ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:49:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"It's probably a headphone jack, I bet it's a headphone jack, I know it's a headphone jack fuck it I'll just upvote now"
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"Fucking knew it."
Still running on my iPhone 5, the last Apple innovation worth a damn.
I consider the iPhone 5 the peak of human civilisation. The 6 is too big for my pockets. Thus I will be holding onto my 5 for as long as humanly possible.
(Then I learned about the iPhone SE. Same size only faster)
Shadowws ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:41:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The SE is what I might end up with
ab-Owen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:50:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Even Windows Phones have a headphone jack...getting set for a comeback!!!!
The new iPhone doesn't have an 3.5mm jack. Instead, Apple will include Lightning EarPods and a Lightning->3.5mm adaptor.
Apple also announced their new AirPods, which are wireless earphones. Besides Bluetooth, they use a new Apple-only codec that allows for better audio and easier pairing. The AirPods don't have cables connecting the earpieces (think of two Bluetooth headsets) and both fit into a wireless charging case, opening the case near the phone for the first time will pair it with not only the phone, but all your Apple devices on your iCloud account (after you confirm it of course).
Apple also announced this new codec is coming to 3 Beats earphones/headphones.
I'm currently using a ZTE ZMAX pro. A phone that has 32gb internal storage, expandable memory, a home button that is part of the touch screen (and vibrates when you press it) 2 more control buttons at the bottom of the phone (back and recent apps) that also vibrate when you press them, a fingerprint scanner, 2 great cameras, and a headphone jack. And it costs less than 200 brand new and unlocked. Also just to add, a 6inch screen and it is not even half an inch thick.
Apple is charging more money for less product with every iteration of their phones.
IamZag ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:50:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But, chip is slower, ram is slower, gpu is worse, screen is worse, camera and camera software is undeniably going to be worse, battery more than likely is worse, and you aren't running iOS, one of the main reasons people choose Apple. Your phone might seem better, but in all honesty, it's not. Most android phones cost the same amount as an iPhone, but have around the same features, it's not just Apple, it's all phone makers.
It's like Groundhog Day every time Apple removes something from their products. Floppy drives, Physical keyboards, Adobe Flash, Optical drives, etc. Go back and look at all of the times they've taken something away and how the industry moves towards Apple. This will be a non-issue within a few years.
I don't understand how Apple can be criticized for not being innovative and stealing things from Android; but when they try something different and unorthodox they get criticized again for being stupid and making bad decisions.
Spritedz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:21:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I totally understand the decision from Apple's standpoint.
They want to revolutionize something and this is their first move towards that goal, wether it's good or bad.
However where i think they are messing up is by the inconvenience this now creates for their customers. They are trying to remove a port and remove some cables - that's good, but it comes at the expense of being unable to charge your phone while using accessories or headphones with a cord, which would require the 3.5mm jack, considering that you need to use the charging port for the adapter. Some might argue that another adapter will come to help us do all of these things at once, which then makes the whole process more complicated and adds even more cables to the equation, making this technology more complicated than it needs to be.
I do feel like this technology will improve and we will look back and say this was a step in the right direction, but there are still some issues that need to be resolved and a lot of compatibility issues that will arise from this situation which makes this very impractical.
Anyone who is upset about Apple removing the headphone jack from the phone has obviously never used Bluetooth headphones. Once you go wireless, there is no going back. And if you do have to go back for the occasional fling, it comes with a free adapter. Or you could buy a wired pair of headphones with a lightning connection if you are that desperate to stick to old technology.
Why would I use bluetooth headphones when the sound quality is degraded? Until bluetooth is able to play the same quality audio as a headphone jack, people will always want to use the jack. I'm guessing you've never owned any hifi gear if you can't see why anyone wouldn't want bluetooth.
jrpjesus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:10:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most users are streaming music at bit rates too low to make hifi gear viable.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:42:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dafuq? Sound over Bluetooth is noticeably awful
AndyFNG ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:53:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I always go to bed listening to a podcast or whatever and while I'm listening I'm also charging my phone. I will switch to Android when my iPhone dies.
Dale_edg ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:59:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Great now we have to worry about headphones running out of battery. What if you're on the subway and the headsets die? Boo apple
swaggler ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:32:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The iphone7 does not have a 3.5mm earphone jack because proprietary software users have forgone their freedom for the illusion of convenience. Enjoy the DMCA suckers.
I've been using iPhone for like 5 years now. These seems like just a selfish reason to make more money by then, either that or just a plain stupid question. It's tempting to go android just for that reason alone
Yet people will still mindlessly line up in front of apple stores everywhere to wait on ridiculously long lines to buy the shiny new phone, even though it is a completely unnecessary "upgrade".
I wonder what Apple is going to do for people who use their phone as a credit card reader. Many, many street vendors and the like use a cell phone as credit system. I'm not goinmg to be happy with the reader flopping around at the end of a 3" cord. Also does the new system mean you can't charge at the same time as head phone use?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:48:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This seems like a repeat of iOS 7:
remove Google Maps and install shitty navigation that's not complete yet
change UI design complete around from what was already liked by the average user
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:48:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Prediction: Apple gets rid of volume controls next. For too long we have been slaves to controlling the volume of music we listen to.
They just want to push their god awful beats headphones on people that will be designed exclusively for apple. Honestly, fuck beats and fuck apple for this (from an apple user)
Never mind the adapter... the worst part is not being able to charge the phone while listening to music. So you have to sit there and stare at the phone as it charges, or make it play music from the speakers (try that at your work), or play music and NOT charge the phone. Pure genius.
Watch as all android phones coming out will suddenly get rid of the headphone jack too
Reali5t ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:32:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't like it that they removed the headphone jack, but let's see how it's going to work out for them before we critize it. The same port has been so long in use that quite a few people most people here on Reddit weren't even born when Sony started using it in their electronics. Some peoples parents weren't even born back then. Now in the last 50 years technology has made huge improvements, including wireless connectivity.
Just a few examples would be that phones are no longer corded, we no longer use cable boxes nor do we hookup our laptops to the TV as we have google chrome for that, we use Bluetooth instead of a wired headset.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:47:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm always been a big apple fan (as I type this on a 6s) but they make really stupid design choices. I'm just about done with their crap decisions.
Is Apple trying to force users to use wireless headphones? Could this be a design decision to improve people's experience with listening to music. If you have wireless headphones, you never have to mess with a cord. If not-having-a-cord is more comfortable, moving to a wireless platform makes sense. Although, wireless means people can't easily tell you're listening to music (if they're ear-buds); and sometimes people use the corded headphones to signify they're not open to conversation.
Lopatron ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:57:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ITT: People who don't realize that iPhone 6's still work after the 7 is released.
Honestly I think my 6 will work for another 10 years, and if it does, that's how long I'm keeping it. It's perfect. They have built the perfect phone, so now they're just fucking around.
One of the things I found quite funny is GarageBand
It has a guitar amp option that uses the line in function of the 3.5mm jack to record guitar or whatever else you plug the cable into straight into your phone.
Can't do that anymore
The main issue I have is that at the moment with a nice open system if you loose your headphones it's no problem, grab that old pair or borrow your mates for the day. Car auxiliary ports are no problem (my car is only 4 years old but doesn't have Bluetooth), trying out your old speakers is fine, using pc speakers because you lost yours is fine, using an aux cable to record directly into or out of your phone is fine.
All of that now depends on a single adapter. If you loose that your fucked until you go to the shop to buy another.
It's funny because phone model updates used to be about making life easier. The removal of floppy and cd rom was in response to the rise of usb at the expense of these two systems so it made sense. There has been no decline in the use of the 3.5mm jack in favour of Bluetooth and that's for one main reason. It's because in the quest to get a phone a molecule thick for some bizarre reason they have sacrificed phone battery to the point that for some people a charging pod is a necessity.
Fix the battery and Bluetooth headphones might take off. This is not a brave decision it's one based on trying make a device which all accessories need to be signed up with your company's standard, it's not progress it's regress for the sake of money.
I type this from my iPhone SE which I am quite happy with.
1wsx10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:32:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
exactly. the reason 3.5mm jack has been standard for so long is because audio hasn't needed it. almost everything else has had to change with the advance of technology, but audio is just so easy to do.
The 3.5mm jack is a great example of "if its not broken, don't fix it". something fashionable tech giants don't care for.
I just upgraded to the Moto Z Force Droid Edition and it is also missing a headphone jack, however it does come with an adapter for the phone so you you can still use them...I honestly don't miss it.
Me: Dude! Did you know the iPhone from three years ago just got an OS patch to fix a security issue? How cool is it that the OEM supports a product even after a newer model has come out!
SDGuero's 3 year old samsung: WHY WON'T GOOGLE-SAN NOTICE MEEEEEE!
sdguero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:40:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Right... Because my phone is always getting hacked due to Android security bugs. And if I did have a need or care about a zero day security bug, I definitely couldn't run a nightly build.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:45:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Until everyone starts copying Apple and does the same.
Look I don't support them removing the jack as it seems completely unnecessary, but is anyone actually calling them courageous for this move? Reddit seems to think that anyone with an iphone must be a complete and total Apple fan boy and are just jerking off to every keynote thinking everything is brilliant.
lFallout ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:28:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually they might not. The beauty of Android phone manufacturers is, if one manufacturer forces something stupid, the others say "Look at that idiot" and continue to produce the normal stuff. You'll always find variety in the market. Atleast one or two of the major OEMs will continue the jacks.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:44:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think y'all are taking this to serious. Like every new car sold has a Bluetooth option and soon it will be a standard feature. Headphone have been already going wireless, it's just Apple taking it a step further.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:27:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not everyone has a car with Bluetooth Is the Issue though.
Still, there's no point in killing a feature just because you assume it will be unneccessary in a few years. You're still able to use wireless tech, but the option for wired is always appreciated.
It would have been smarter for Apple to release a model of the 7 that loses the audio jack (in exchange for a slimmer profile), and just let consumers decide if they want to make the tradeoff.
Stick to Nexus phones, forget the rest manufactures. Having used life long Nexus, saw very few minor issues which can be solvable by semi-technical knowledge.
lFallout ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:24:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'll highly suggest samsung, my phones; 4s, s3, g3, and finally s7e. Couldn't be happier with my daily driver
I don't get what all the hate is about. Apple said that they were including an adaptor and headphones with the phone so people who said that they would gouge you on adaptors don't have much to complain about. and honestly, I've never used the headphone jack in any of my phones, ever. It's usually bluetooth headphones or speakers.
I'm an android guy through and through but I think having dual sims or an sd card slot is more useful than having an audio jack, especially when an adaptor comes with the phone.
Elevenst ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:45:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd imagine most people would just leave it plugged in to their headphones all the time. At least that's what I would do if I was in that predicament.
Elevenst ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:55:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well that's a given, but my headphone jacks get yanked on sometimes to the point of fraying at the plug base. I'd be the one losing it, and people like me that aren't delicate with little things.
00wabbit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Some people already own headphones with an analog jack. Some people own more than one set of headphones. I have over the ear for work and a nice set of buds for travel. I also use the apple headphones sometimes if I don't have the others handy. Sometimes I misplace one and use the other. I'm not buying dongles for all of them. I'm not buying new headphones because Apple wants me to. I like the ones I have.
When this iPhone 6 dies, I'm switching. I'm tired of their shit. I would rather take the money I would spend on new headphones and dongles and put it towards replacing the few apps I use regularly on android.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because it's a move that has no real reason except for to get people to buy more iCessories.
oh yeah thats a great feat this year brought, 2 sims or sd card, so legit dual sims dont need to be manufactured so its easier for companies, im looking to buy a phone on friday and i found it a really cool chance
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:32:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't get it either. Why would the adapter be any easier to lose than the headphones? Just keep it all in one place, and you'll be fine.
I don't really use headphones with my phone though, so maybe I just wouldn't understand.
It's a small, inchlong peice of wire. That you are expected to constantly carry around with you, and would be unplugged any time the headphones are used with something besides your phone. The thing will vanish quicker than a Apple remote.
Funny because there are Androids with no headphone jack. DERP.
mon01ith ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:01:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Just wait, in less then a year most android phones will have switched to USB-C and their headphone jack removed. There's a very good reason to do this, it off-loads a bunch of internal components (DACs, CODECs, Jack detection, etc.) into the headphones. This frees up some area and reduces power consumption when headphones aren't being used. Also, it opens up the possibility of some really great sounding headphones. The DAC and amp they can be bundled with won't have the crazy design restrictions of internal cell phone components.
ATL_LAX ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:19:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I understand why some of you might be mad, because you want to charge your phones all the time. I have a 6s right now and the battery lasts me around 10-11 hours before I really have to charge. I listen to music, browse Reddit , text, watch 1-4 videos on a day to day basis. I understand why some of you might be mad, but what if the battery life is so good not having to charge it a lot really doesn't change if you have an audio jack or not.
The second issue is the aux cord, Apple is giving out adapters and cars already have Bluetooth and some already use the usb as an aux in most cars.
People say they are going to lose these adapters etc. but if you are always gonna use it for an aux just keep it plugged into the aux.
Who knows, maybe other phone companies will follow maybe Apple will flop with the 7 and revert back to the aux in the 7s.
Every year Apple always gets bashed and then people forget about it when the actual phone comes out.
If you want fancy features get an android by all means, but I switched to an iPhone because my htc got really slow. Also iMessage is a great feature, android has hangouts but it's not the same, I wish they integrated it into the messaging app itself.
Just my opinion, trying to have a civil discussion.
I agree, I have an iPhone 6 but used to have a Galaxy for my work phone. I thought the Android OS wasn't great for me personally. The phone seemed to be slow (I thought I was the only person that thought this) so when I had the option to switch back to an iPhone for work I pounced. I guess I'm used to what I'm know?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:48:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The flaws with your theory is that I use an aux cord on long drives and charge my phone at the same time, with the new iPhone 7 I'm essentially choosing between listening to music or charging my phone. Also, I don't want to have to carry around the adapter to listen to music in my girlfriends car, or on my computer, or whatever. It's an inconvenience with no real benefit to me, only for Apples coffers. I'll be ditching Apple for a competitor. Googles phones are shaping up to be impressive, and will almost certainly have better specs.
ATL_LAX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:12:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Google phones have always had better specs, but it's just too many features I don't use daily. The only think Apple has consistently been good at is taking photos and messenger.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:01:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'll take features I don't use daily + headphone jack I do use daily and better specs any day. Expandable storage too? I'm excited to see the Pixel announced next month
ATL_LAX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:20:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly android already has so many features it's prolly gonna be like last years but look much nicer and more refined.
I moved from an iPhone 6 plus to a Samsung s7 edge at the beginning of summer,
Thank fuck I did.
I spent months and months debating back and forth about the switch from Apple to android - this Is the best I could of hoped for.
Thanks Apple, for cementing my decision.
Seriously. I've found many of Apple's most devoted fans haven't ever tried a non-iPhone, can't bear the thought. I had an iPhone for 3 years and literally 1 month into my android thought to myself, "I'm never going back."
Siex ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:59:43 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have the droid Moto Z Force... And it does not have a 3.5mm Jack
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:58:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But but but muh anti-apple circle jerk
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:14:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One Android device out of the 100s out there doesn't have a headphone jack, get over yourself.
am0x ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:00:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually I think there are a few without them.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:50:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One phone out of hundreds doesn't have a headphone jack. Get over yourself.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:57:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One iPhone with iOS. Only phone line to have iOS. Want iOS and a headphone jack on a new phone? Sucks to suck.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
5 phones with iOS. SE, 6s, 6s plus 7 and 7 plus. Still not getting the non stop butt hurt.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:29:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hence why I said "on a new phone."
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:39:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure you can get a brand new iPhone 6s directly from Apple.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:40:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure with the release of the iPhone 7, the iPhone 6s isn't "new" anymore.
Siex ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 01:03:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hate em as much as the next guy... but not because of the lack of a 3.5mm jack.
Siex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:14:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Here are some things that suck about them. the products, and the business practice.
Closed Environment for Developers, Apple micromanages its smaller companies into oblivion only continues a closed environment for developers and consumers.
Jailbreaking phones is not illegal. Breaking free to maximize a phone's potential is just fine with most companies, but not Apple. They regularly try to cancel out jailbroken phones through "mandatory" updates.
Apple was recently in court over the discovery that they would delete songs not purchased through them via iTunes "updates." This would be like a Sony Playbar not working on a Samsung TV because both items are not from the same company. Oh, Apple didn't tell anyone they were doing this, so imagine losing songs you paid for. The best part? Apple was found innocent in this.
While there is sadly no law against tax avoidance, Apple has abused this to an extreme. Last it was checked, Apple has more money than the US government AND enough money saved to end global poverty. Don't believe me? Look up Oxfam's numbers to end poverty and compare that to what Apple has in their reserves. This side money can also be used to bully small businesses (or buy them out) as they head towards a Monopoly.
Most companies will let you know about downloads so you can accept or reject them. Apple just shoves them in an update knowing you aren't reading the "Terms and Agreements." Some are harmless, like Safari being downloaded, but others include malware that Apple purposely put in their updates. They were even taken to court when they had the idea to have forced ads that, if skipped, would lock you out of your phone.
Remember the crazy war between Samsung and Apple over patents? Well, Apple was basically trying to patent every little aspect of the smartphone (like the shape of the apps and the ability to swipe). Normally, you would just pay someone to use the patent, but Apple wanted them just so nobody else could make phones besides them.
Aggressive Litigation - This term essentially means you sue your competition until they don't exist. It can be over patents (like with Samsung) or it can be moments like them trying to ban certain companies from selling in the United States. With the money they possess thanks to tax avoidance, they can go to court with everyone almost as often as they like. Like I said, they're not the only company doing things like this, but they do this far more often.
Treatment of Employees (the workers that make the phones/tablets/ipods), the "Apple Geniuses" are another story This includes forced holiday work WITHOUT BEING ALLOWED to tell families, spy cameras in offices, engineers being forced to work under sheets and the fact one employee hinted that Apple has "pain chips" for higher-ups that leak anything.
Sun Dan Young This man worked for Foxconn, one of the Chinese manufacturers Apple uses. Under his care, an iPhone prototype (the iPhone 5 I think) was stolen and/or lost. Foxconn, fearing Apple's lawsuits from zero-tolerance on leaks, tortured this man until he leaped out of a 12th story building.
Speaking of Foxconn, let's breakdown how they treat workers. Fifteen hour a day shifts with zero breaks, no contact with the outside world, yawning can result in pay deduction and army-like training every morning. All this, and much more, for only $ 40 A MONTH. Another company Apple uses doesn't even pay, but instead promises student workers a CHANCE to graduate. That's illegal in China as it is in the United States. Not to mentions these plants have "suicide nets" built around the buildings because people were jumping from them so regularly due to the treatment at work.
Apple practices censorship. Here are a few examples.
Apple appears to be censoring all bitcoin apps for iThings.
It should be illegal to make or distribute computers which are platforms for censorship.
Apple demonstrates the arbitrariness of its censorship by blocking an app that tells people with text messages when US drone attacks kill civilians.
The author said that this app was meant to raise awareness. I hope Apple's censorship of it raises awareness.
Apple censors information about abortion providers.
As of 2015, Apple systematically bans apps that endorse abortion rights or would help women find abortions.
This particular political slant affects other Apple services.
Apple's mail service silently censors the mail people send.
Apple deauthorized a Wikileaks access application, using censorship to support censorship.
Apple censors iTunes ebooks โ banning all mention of Amazon.
People should not do business with Amazon, which mistreats authors, publishers, its workers, and its customers. Ms Lisle's presupposition that the goal of success is all that matters is not admirable.
However, that doesn't justify Apple's censorship.
Of course, publishing in iTunes was already bad for other reasons, such as DRM, and requiring users to use nonfree software.
Apple banned from iTunes the erotic novel, The Proof of the Honey, saying it was because of the cover.
Apple censored a game for the iThings called Angry Syrians, which is a political parody of Angry Birds.
Apple said it was "defamatory or offensive" โ to the dictator Assad, apparently.
am0x ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:00:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Becuase Sony and Motorola hire only war vets and pay them $200 an hour to build their phones...oh wait, no they still use slave labor too.
traduce ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:38:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is pretty funny. I'm amazed that some of the Apple users are impressed by this. Apple does a great job at putting a bow on dog poop and telling you it's steak
No, the do cost/benefit analysis and find what makes them more money. This is why they introduced their new wireless earphones (not Bluetooth, though the earphones also support that, but a new codec) and they also introduced that same codec into a few Beats devices (the new Solo3, the power Beats, and a new one). If you forgot, Apple own Beats, so they are making a ton of money.
Games developers ignore their PC's, and their phones are an overpriced-locked ecosystem. ...I've never had a use for an Apple product, and I doubt I ever will.
am0x ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:59:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well for people that don't play games and need a Unix environment, Apple is by far the best product. Just because you don't have a need doesn't mean others don't either.
madd74 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:32:24 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Give Samsung a few more, and they will remove it... cough S6 cough
Given that they've backtracked on expandable memory, that would not be happening anytime soon.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:48:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ugh, dropping support for expandable memory was so annoying. So painfully obvious the only reason they were doing it was to drive people to SaaS online storage options. Infuriating!
madd74 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:53:28 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is a take on the ad campaign for the s5, talking how it was nothing like the iPhone, just to have the s6 come out that took away removable battery and memory, and in many cases having people compare it to the iPhone (going against that ad campaign).
Remember when they tried to make their phone more like iPhone and it failed horrendously? Yeah let's take away expandable memory, removeable battery, etc. People got pissed the fuck off.
madd74 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:55:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, or, a phone battery would "explode" and instead of just doing a simple battery recall/replacement you have to do an entire phone....
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:15:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They have no reason to, this is the perfect marketing point for the S8 when it comes out.
Except people said the same thing about the iMac not shipping with a floppy drive, and iPhones not having a physical keyboard, and iPads not running Flash.
Jobs was at the end of the line for all of those decisions, and they all worked out.
Yeah and they all sucked at first. It took another generation or two before it was okay. I will never forget the amount of bitching about the iphone's screen when it came out. Or how mac didn't have a floppy drive bc it had no use for it, but you were fucked if you wanted to reinstall old programs. Having a floppy drive on a PC made sense and made sense for years after the tech was outdated.
The iPhone first gen? Really? They essentially innovated the contemporary smartphone.... But anyway, Apple may not invent everything they come out with, but they sure as fuck make it mainstream/marketable.
Forgot about the speaker. I heard they were thinking of removing the dac but now I'm not sure how they planned on doing that. Lose the speakers too I guess.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:26:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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lFallout ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:30:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm hoping for LG users it doesn't have the hardware issues so many releases are plagued with
They are $160, though that is actually not much more expensive than the competition, and it includes a wireless charging case and a new wireless codec for better audio, double tap for Siri, noise cancellation (though it seems only for calls) and auto-pairing with all your Apple devices.
I would never buy them, but they aren't outrageous.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:55:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're not outrageous for wireless earbuds no. However the outrageous part is you have to have them. You can't just go pick up a pair of generics for $5-$10 when you inevitably lose them.
I probably go through 2-3 sets of earbuds a year. They're like socks in the laundry.
You can buy $10 Bluetooth earbuds. I just bought a pair of $16 ones (one-day sale from $25) and they are pretty decent. The range is super great, they sound decent, and they have "memory wire" where cable wraps around your ear and keeps its form (think of a bendy straw), my only real complaint are that even the small ear tips are a bit large.
So now I either have to use some stupid wireless earbuds or carry around some lame ass adapter. Guess I'll be sticking with the 6 for a long time.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:18:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't get the issue. For me the adapter will just stay on the end of my headphones which are always in my bag so........
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:52:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly miss my old military grade flip phone. I had it until you couldn't get them anymore but lost it at Bonnaroo back in 2013. I ran that fucker over twice changing my oil in gravel, no damage.
kijib ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:56:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
srsly fuck Apple
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:57:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was actually thinking of making my next phone an iPhone so that I could compare and see which I prefer. That ain't happening now.
If apple made a car with the same design choices as their current products, it wouldn't have any way to access the engine, and repairs will only be possible at apple dealers that charge $150 for an oil change, and the engine will self destruct if it detects any repair that was done by anyone but a certified apple mechanic. The gas tank filler will be on the bottom of the car and you will need to buy an adapter to fit the nozzle in your tank if your car was made before 2012. Now with today's announcement, it will only have one pedal because why on earth should we waste space on 2 if 1 can do just fine? If you insist on using the outdated 2 pedal system, we have provided an awkward adapter that adds a brake pedal and makes it 2 feet longer than it needs to be.
Happy to be a Galaxy owner. I feel bad for all the apple folks out there who are used to aux cords for their cars.
kikitron ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:03:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How many items can you have connected to your wifi or Bluetooth before you slow your phone down, kill your battery or drain your resources? Sounds like they are causing more problems to swoop in and claim they solved.
Dirayiou ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:07:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As an iPhone user I'm laughing my ass off at this.
Take my upvote.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:44:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
it's almost a given that everyone is going to get rid of the phone jack. i don't even know why you guys are crying so hard.
What's suddenly so bad about the headphone jack? Literally nobody thought this until Apple told them to.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:59:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I will not buy a phone that I cannot connect to my car and home stereo. The people saying "you need to get with the times" are saying "you need to buy a new car". Fuck bluetooth - I've never been in a car with built in bluetooth that let me sync a device while the car is moving.
I have a car with Bluetooth and it's annoying sometimes. Car loses connection to the phone a lot. I have to delete phone from car and sync it all over again. It happens every few times.
If you mean back in the mid 2000s, then yeah there were and it sucked. There were crap adapters you had to use, or even worse custom (invariably low quality) headsets that had the right connector for your phone.
If you mean now, sure there have been some Motorola handsets like the Moto-X without it, but that's one Android handset from one company that people have almost invariably slammed because of it. Out of hundreds. So importantly you still have the choice to buy a phone that does.
You wanna stick with Apple, well then sucks to be you if you've spent hundreds on a high quality set of monitor headphones.
lFallout ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:13:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And they didn't strive and become norm because nobody wants them
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:55:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The fact that people are "crying so hard", me included tells competitors that this is a stupid decision. Give me one reason why its a good idea please, i genuinely want one. I don't need my phone to be thinner, bluetooth headphones consume more battery, and many phones WITH jacks are still waterproof. So why is it a good idea? The people who are "crying" are literally just calling this a stupid move, as I said please tell me why it's so progressive of apple.
I had to sort by controversial and scroll through a bunch of comments to figure out what you people were talking about. how the fuck are you this aware of what holes random expensive products have?
Yeah, I don't know too many people millennial age or younger that use the jack more often than Bluetooth.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:48:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The new Moto doesn't have one either
am0x ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yea, they are too early to the game, but they are on a lot of things. Their changing the game tends to accelerate how quickly new standards are adopted.
Why? Why get rid of such a well-working ubiquitous standard that people clearly like?
marabra ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:03:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apple is the greatest marketing company of all time. They pinpoint target what they think people overvalue. Nice screen, nice camera, nice design, simplified UI, while cutting costs by giving the rest poor specs. Make it a closed system so they can control 3rd party products and sell it all for twice the price it should be.
But soon all android manufacturers will copy and that'll be the end of 3.5" port
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:28:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What's the big fuss? They package a Lightning to AUX adapter in the box...
Birata ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:37:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Which becomes a nice long lever together with the 3.5mm and starts bending your port until it breaks and you have to buy a new phone.
Apple are smart, they gave though about this top.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:51:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What the fuck is so hard to understand about this? You can't charge your phone and play music. Long car rides and plane flights all of a sudden become a matter of choice rather than convenience. With apples specs already lagging way behind their competitors, at a higher price, what is enticing me to get a new iPhone? Nothing
If it comes with an adapter, and a lightning set of headphones- what is the actual problem? You now have a more durable and more water resistant phone. Also it's 1 less port to clog up with lint from my dam pocket
yeah and you know what is free? A headphone jack in my android phone.
ntrahan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:04:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
HURR DURR the biggest company in the world by market cap is full of idiots, HAHA they can't seem to get anything right!
What you all seem to fail to see is that:
1) The headphone jack is HORRIBLY outdated. it's an ANALOG connector for crying out loud!!! Do we still use analog audio and video cables for our TVs for instance? No because digital connectors are much better in many ways, most importantly, the quality of the signal itself is much higher!
2) This isn't about making a slimmer phone!!! Stop saying that! The iPhone 7 is the same thickness as the iPhone 6s. It's about freeing up space inside the casing to have more design options. For instance, you can put a larger battery there, better camera and screen technology, etc. Designing hardware is about making trade-offs. There's only so much space you can use, and I really don't think it's worth using so much of it to permit the use of an ancient, outdated connector.
3) The real issue here isn't about removing the 3.5mm jack. It's the fact that Apple is replacing it with a proprietary connector. This sucks for the iPhone consumer because if they want to continue using wired headphones, their new iPhone 7 compatible ones won't work with their other devices. That's unfortunate, but it also means that Apple is able to save even more space by reusing the lightning connector infrastructure. So as an iPhone consumer, you might have to buy an extra pair of headphones, but your phone will probably be even better in other ways than if it would have had a dedicated digital audio connector. So you pay more $$ but you get a better experience, which is in theory the Apple way (obviously that's not always the case with Apple, but often it is and it's part of the image they want to create for themselves) Also note that this is all irrevelant if you use bluetooth headphones, which have gotten much better in the last few years.
And by the way I'm an Android user, happy owner of a Nexus 5 (although it does have its issues), and for me I see removing the headphone jack as a PLUS. But note that I mostly use bluetooth headphones.
so_wavy ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:16:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Last year:
"Apple isn't innovative anymore!"
This year:
"Apple needs to stop changing stuff!"
LanZx ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 00:31:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Removing functions of the phone isnt innovative
akiva23 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:57:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Putting out the same garbage every time year isn't either but apple used to win those most innovative company awards like all the time
But a super energy efficient wireless technology is innovative. A smartphone with a fucking telephoto lens is innovative.
LanZx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:05:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If your talking about the CAM and the CPU, i got nothing about praise for apple cause they keep blowing other companies out of the water on that end.
But removing a core function of a phone for no reason is not innovating, They could have added the efficient wireless technology into the phone without removing the jack.
Also this inst a improvement. Unlike from VCR to Disk this doesnt give enough of a improvement to justify removing the option on having it
In Apple's case they needed space for 3D touch, stereo speakers, and waterproof and bigger battery. Look it up
LanZx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:15:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All of those features have been done on before and doesnt reqiure the internal DAC to be removed for the 3.5MM jack.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:50:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
lol waterproofing doesnt require the removal of the headphone jack, bigger battery is solved by abandoning this silly thin fad, and your simply not going to get stereo sound from a phone so dont even try it
K well youre missing the bigger picture here. ultimately if you dont like it dont buy it. ive always said apple is the bmw, audi, etc of the tech world. premium experiences. and btw im not a full apple fanboy i have a android phone
They're not forcing you to buy anything. If you didn't see their value proposition you wouldn't be considering purchasing their product, yet you are... and if you're not, then you shouldn't care.
I've only purchased one Apple product (iPhone 6, never had an iPod or Mac or any other phone), so maybe there's just something I fundamentally can't understand.
I had a 5S before the one I have now, so my smartphone experience has been pretty much constrained to just iphones. I dont want to learn a whole OS but I use my audio jack every day while also charging my phone. Im not made of money, so the wireless headphone with lower sound quality dont appeal to me at all.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:56:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
the companies long term vision is to get idiots to buy a new overpriced phone every half year that requires specialized peripherals that are also overpriced.
Do only idiots buy Lexus vs Honda in your view? The market is saying that they're not overpriced. Do you think Samsung or any other Android phone maker doesn't have a similar ultimate vision (i.e., $)? The thing is, in order to get the most $ you have to deliver a competitive product. Competition is good.
Ianchez ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:52:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
GPrime85 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:34:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just saw Steve Jobs starring the Fassbender. I've only ever owned an iPod Nano, so I can't speak in detail about Mac's products, but it seems that man had a real chip on his shoulder for doing things his way (for better or worse).
Whoever led the design team for my Macbook Pro touchpad should have the Apple reigns so shit like this never sees the light of day. Taking the mouse peripheral away was, and continues to be, an amazing upgraded experience.
But this..... this is..... nonsense.
niikhil ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:44:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Facepalm when someone passes you the aux cord...but you have an iPhone 7
Can't really say "exclusive" when Windows and Blackberry still have earphone jacks. :/
paskabai ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:45:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But, it isn't exclusive. The dumb phones, and windows phones have it too
exu1981 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:45:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh lord lol
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:47:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
look at the stress relief on that cable, that's another thing apple completely fails on, could fix immediately, but just doesn't give a fuck
agk23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:48:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think having a universal plug for everything in the future is a pretty good direction to go towards. Sure, there's transition but there's always going to be that. I know I still hate having to carry around a VGA adapter because I never know when I'll need to hook up to a VGA-only projector.
If the world's top engineers could redesign every piece of consumer electronics from scratch, don't you think there'd be a single type of cable? Its not convenient at the moment, but I think it will be in the future
time4b ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:48:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apple got rekt
bonimy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:48:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Introducing the iPhone 8. We've managed to make the phone 0.1mm thinner by removing the charging port. You need not worry about needing to charge your phone. You can simply purchase a new phone, fully charged! (starting price $999) We will transfer all of your photos and apps to your new phone for the low price of $260.
Apple makes reliable product that work. The thing that bug the shit out of me os how far up thier own ass they are. They act like every repolished feature is the grestest innovention since the wheel and people just buy into it.
I think it was a mistake to remove the headphone jack, but the wort thing is the design of the earpods. Those things look absolutely hideous. Tim said they were the first but Samsung released the IconX last month and other companies have put out earbuds for a while now
So I'm going to see how this all plays out. I bet in 5 years all phones wont have 3.5mms
arcedup ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:52:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have has a number of Bluetooth headphones over the years which suit me fine. I think the last time I used headphones for my iPhone was three years ago.
bmk2k ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:52:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are there any phones besides Blackberry that use their own OS these days?
Mel_bear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:54:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Saw a few endcaps at Target filled with bluetooth ear buds today, its like they knew.
JpBonez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:55:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Looooooooool
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:56:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I enjoy the ability to walk around my house with my phone connected to Bluetooth playing music throughout the house. I enjoy driving my car and talking on the phone and listening to
Music hands free with Bluetooth. I never go to the gym without my wireless head phones. (Duh) all my aux jack does is collect #1 dust #2 water. I'm so pumped for a water resistant iPhone.
Diknak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:59:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apple just announced new iPhones won't have the headphone jack and not only are they going with bluetooth, but it's a proprietary bluetooth connection so you can't use the headphones with anything NOT Apple. Because fuck you customers, give us more money,
The new Iphone7 doesn't have a headphone jack, as a way to force people to buy their new wireless headphones.
jgame64 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:00:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apple axed the analog adapter on the iPhone, now you need to buy a converter to plug in old earphones.
Fnhatic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:57:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is especially ironic since Android just released an S7 update that enables the FM radio, which needs the headphones to be plugged in to act as an antenna.
So Android enables a feature that Apple had five years ago, while Apple removes it.
I have officially given up on the big manufacturers, gonna buy a top spec Ebay special for 250 quid.
Quad core, waterproof, dual sim, big freakin battery, not obsessed with stupid curved screens and wafer thinness.
Just the stuff you want
ITT: I've read the word jack so many times its not even a word anymore. Sorry, people named jack. And how did we start using the name 'jack' for a port anyways?
Is it that time of the year where we collectively shit on Apple?
Asimxo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:00:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shit
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:00:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just switched to a galaxy s7 edge just for the headphone jack. No regrets, it's a better phone by leaps and bounds. Thanks apple for making me switch.
Not really. Apple is just the first company to force you to use head/earphones that don't use cables. Every phone company already has that capability and has had it for ages. The only thing that is "new" is that they are stripping you of an option you've had before without adding anything in exchange.
And this is especially troublesome for people who use their phones to store music - especially those with high-end headsets, as those are pretty much always wired, and they are wired for a very good reason.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:07:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
nsfw
alecyo12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:07:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I saw the new iPhone at work and I've had my current Galaxy s4 since 2013. I thought the jet black looked awesome and the new camera and I thought I was finally going to make the switch. Nope, apple always manages to fuck it up somehow.
Basically forcing people to buy bluetooth headphones. I already own a nice pair with 5 hour battery life so I'm set. To everyone saying they want to charge and listen to music, I think you belong to a very small minority of people with that problem. I usually charge my phone overnight when I go to bed, so I don't need to do both.
I won't be getting a new phone until they start getting drastically different from the S6. Becuase the S6 to S7/iPhone 7 upgrade just isn't worth it because they're so similar.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is only an issue for people who don't have new cars or don't have Bluetooth headphones. For one, I never use the headphone jack or Bluetooth in my car for music. (2015 versa note) I've always used the lightening port. Which is great when people want to plug in their phone. Oops! I don't use a headphone jack, and my Bluetooth to call is set up to my phone. So. It reallllyyyyy doesn't bother me. :/
The big issue I see is the headphone jack locks into place. If my phone falls, I can catch it by the headphone chord. But the lighting jack is all wiggly and looks like it would just fall out.
Fnhatic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
The best part of these $160 AirPods is that you're almost certain to lose one of them within a month of purchase.
If you have a toddler, you're going to lose one in a week and find it on an x-ray.
If you have a cat, well, they won't make it a day.
Dcsaxton ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What about the android phones without headphone jacks. Y'all know android is a platform and not the hardware!!??
dannyism ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:36:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Huh. Took me a while to get it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:37:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, the only reason I have an iPhone is because of iMessage. All of my friends and work contacts use it. If iMessage came to Android, I would sell my iPhone the next day. I'm so done with Apple.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:37:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
People want something to complain about. They want proof that Apple makes mistakes, or that andriod is totally awesome. They have to tear down something to raise themselves up.
The fact that they're making such a big deal out of this is kind of telling, that they're grasping at straws to find something to rage against.
Please tell me again how Android 'fanboys' are only bashing this because it's Apple after reading the comments in what I linked. Sounds like you're grasping at straws to defend Apple.
I wonder who thought of the idea at the Apple HQ to take it out and only have the lightning plug-in. And I wonder who were the ones who fucking agreed to that idea. like What the fuck are you guys smoking
ShadowzI ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:43:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Propriatary hardware.
They were hoping that Apple customers will exclusively shop at Apple Store for hardware they might've bought else where...
That or companies will ask for the right to include a lightning cable in there headphones and have to pay a royalty.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:41:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
and windows phone
Autodrop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:41:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For fucks sake can they stop fetishizing how thin their phones are and just make them thicker with a bigger battery, NFC, and a headphone jack. Seriously, if the iPhone 7 plus had a battery the size of the Note 7 (3600mAh), it would last for at least a couole days what with how optimized iPhones are.
cooltim ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:06:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As an avid music/podcast listener, I really couldn't care. I haven't plugged anything aux into my phone in a long time. I know I'm in the minority for having bluetooth headphones, Bluetooth car, USB in the car and all that, but..
I think people will complain and people will forget. Androids will do the same. They gave you an adapter and more battery life in exchange, chill out. They're gonna sell millions of these and in 6 to 18 months no one will question this decision.
Can someone explain this please? I would go to /r/outoftheloop but i feel like they get enough posts about people asking "why is this on the front page" (myself included)
Sooooo I work in an AT&T call center, from what I know you get the special apple headphones but they plug into the charger port. And obviously you can use Bluetooth as well
Calkky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:55:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The hilariously said thing is that I switched to a Nexus about a month ago, and I've only ever used Bluetooth headphones on it. Haven't touched the headphone jack yet.
My new Android doesn't have a headphone jack either (Moto Z Force). It did come with a free adapter though that fits into the charging port.
conanap ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:13:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
im so confused by this choice honestly. I use my ATH M50 + HD598 the most, their earpods sound absolutely horrible. Not only that, I travel a lot through out the day (i live in canada, my life is literally just commuting with a few hour of activities in between) and the phone absolutely cannot last the entire day. How the fuck am I supposed to listen to music and charge my phone?
No, I'm not buying the 10$ adaptor for lightning to headphone jack + a lightning splitter to put the lightning to headphone jack adaptor into that splitter so i can plug it all into my phone. Why the fuck try to fix something that's not broken (well $$)
fuck man. I really get stand android as an OS because I'm just super used to iOS, but fuckkkkkkk
edit: i'm not buying a splitter, lightning to headphone jack comes with the phone
facktotem ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:17:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
You won't need to buy an adaptor.
In the Box:
iPhone with iOS 10
EarPods with Lightning Connector
**Lightning to 3.5 mm Headphone Jack Adapter**
Lightning to USB Cable
USB Power Adapter
Documentation
conanap ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:18:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
-refusing to buy a $10 splitter even though you just purchased/upgraded to a $1000 phone.
-refusing to buy a $10 splitter even though you can't fathom the idea of being without music for an hour or so.
you're definitely sticking it to the man, man! it's about the principles man!
ps. they're still selling the se, 6s, and 6s+ all of which comes with the 3.5mm. your phone is working (why fix it?). consumerism much?
conanap ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:57:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yeah i'm actually considering the 6s instead, but i'll wait til next year to see what's up.
to put it into perspective, just cuz i have 1000$ phone doesnt mean i think the 10$ is justified. I have to save up 4 years for a new phone, I'm a student who does way too much volunteering. I guess that's my fault for contributing to the society too much some times and skipping lunch 3/5 school days to buy a phone for a few years
and ffs, i really do not want to daisy chain dongles, it's ridiculously annoying
Am I the only one who thinks that Apple's continued obsession with making slim devices at the expense of all other features? Slimming early bulkier smartphones made sense, but now they're more obsessed with being thin than an anorexic. After a while, it stops feeling better and even becomes detrimental to the design of the phone (phone bending)
RVelts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:15:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Am I the only one who literally never uses the headphone jack? I seriously don't think I've ever used it on my 6s which ice had for a year. Nor my 5s before that.
I don't really have a problem with removing the port. I'm okay with going wireless.
But I have a HUGE problem with asking people to drop another $160 on top of the already exorbitant price of the phone to even be able to board that train.
That is, basically, everything that is wrong with Apple in a nutshell.
Would seriously be a good time for casual iPhone users to at least check out what Android has to offer. A lot of iPhone users feel so attached to that brand/device because they think it's their only choice. There are other options out there.
giny33 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:21:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah. Don't get samsung. TouchWiz is horrible. Get a nexus phone. Stock android is the way to go.
e10ho ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:19:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have never used the headphone jack on any of my phones. Maybe I'm weird but I just stick an ipod in my car and sync it over wifi. I have another ipod for listening to music at work.
JAKEdotH ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:23:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everyones busting a nut about this but I mean the phone does come with a lighting to 3.5mm headphone jack adapter so it's not THAT awful. I am not saying it's a good idea, it's terrible, but still.
_deedas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:24:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People that are not audiophiles, do you really still use that anymore? Really? The only time I use it is when I get that itch to listen to classical music and I put on the expensive headphones I bought on a whim one time.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:57:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do people not understand there are a shit ton of people who listen to music in their car and charge their phone while doing it? Do you people have friends?
vactu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:25:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apple should have gone USB-C.
WrenSC2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:42:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:27:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My B&O H8 are Bluetooth anyway.
kjazzy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:27:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This girl I'm talking to texted me today saying she is so done with today. So of course I ask her why? Expecting some work place drama or something of that nature she replies that the new iPhone won't have an aux port and so she has to buy a new car... I was dumbfounded. She is so wrapped up in her "iPhone lyfe" she never even considered, "Hey, maybe I don't need the new iPhone so I won't need to spend $30,000+ on a new car to make it work." She immediately thinks she has to have it without giving it a logical thought. I don't think we'll be talking anymore...
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:58:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apple changed the iPhones? Better get a new car and ignore the other options out there which probably have better specs and more flexibility than Apple
They seriously need to start working on bringing flip phones back. Incorporate these magnificent displays into some kind of collapsible protective casing rather than making it thinner & thinner. They're rapidly approaching flexible displays - they should R&D the hell out of that instead of this type of crap. I miss the days of hanging up on someone by clapping my phone shut (replaced slamming the receiver down on the home phone), but in all seriousness, I want a phone that fits in my pocket correctly and can ergonomically be held up to the side of my head with the mic in front of my mouth so I can hold a conversation on my phone that doubles as a computer/movie/music player, not a gigantic, flat piece of glass with a million adapters to make it work. Enough with these proprietary shenanigans and make these things practical again!
RobotJiz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:46:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Leaky batteries: AA, AAA, C, D, 9V, A few Tesla cars, a Dreamliner jumbo jet and a few android Tablets and phones.
Companies who have made a $900 phone with a non working antenna?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:36:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For the low price of $159 all your problems will be solved though! What's not to like?
RobotJiz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:42:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The price and proprietary plug. C'mon Apple. Why not go with USB-C and ditch the lightning port. Is licensing that port out to other accessory manufactures making you that much money?
Great, I still need to be able to damage my phone by dropping it I the toilet, and I need to be able to fuck something. It's the perfect size, fuck you Apple!
I was at first, but years later I can't remember the last time I've needed or used one.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:04:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I use it daily. I go to my public library and they have endless music albums that I choose go home and upload them to to macbook itunes and have many songs and albums. It is free and legal, and fun thing to do. Sometimes I get albums from unknown and quite suprise at some albums something I will never get with digital either have to buy or torrent them. Also, when a friend lets you borrow his CD collection it is the best!
Instead of getting rid of the jack entirely, this would be a great opportunity to introduce a new Jack that provided far superior audio quality... People who are saying headphone jacks are outdated aren't exactly wrong...
Wait... Samsung Gear IconX is almost exact as Apple Air pods, why are people grinding their pitch forks?
Is the apple air pods only compatible source of audio now? (In that case, damn)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:49:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
no, but they have a special chip set that is only available from apple a beats that ensures a rock solid connection. at least that is the promise of the w1 chip.
jonstew ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:08:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
MrLRG ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:12:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As much as I agree with the fact apple is silly, they can get away with it. Brand recognition is basically the only thing that kept the iPad from failing, and now there is an entire tablet industry basically because apple taped 4 ipod touches together.
mad_kap ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:29:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't know you could be too ahead of your time when it came to technology. Aux ports aren't going to go outdated for a while yet, and apple is pretentious enough to sucker people into believing that they'll be the catalyst into this new "wireless" era, when wireless, in this case, means useless and incompatible with practically everything.
iPhone user since the second one came out. I didn't care much about no headphone jack seeing as longer battery and an extra speaker, but now, damnit you people are having me switch.
Everyone's talking about slimmer. I think the idea was actually to push forward Bluetooth audio. They also came out with Bluetooth headphones today. Its probably a move to try and increase innovation in Bluetooth headphones.
Cords suck. But so does Bluetooth. If it works, this could improve Bluetooth.
It's not my headphones that I'm mad about. I have Bluetooth headphones but what sucks is I use my aux port in my car and I'm not upgrading my car anytime soon.
Motorola is phasing out the jack, not long before samsung and others do.
bnx8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:39:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
JackOff
Jabullz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:40:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like how apple has always had music as one of their main platforms to advertise. Yet they had the shittiest headphone design ever. Now, with this, their trying to get rid of conventional headphones/ear buds that has the capability to sound better. Yet they still choose to use a shit design. It's honestly mind-boggling at this point. I guess they know that their followers will buy literally anything they market.
tdub117 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:41:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
CONGRATS! your technology has been selected for extinction.
SKmaric ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:42:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My family thinks I'm insane for thinking it's easier to listen to music on an Android since you just drag and drop rather than using a slow piece of bloatware to get music on it.
Time to show them this.
gandaalf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:42:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol this seriously will be the only reason I won't get a new iPhone, and I've had them since the 3s. I'm not spending a few hundred bucks to upgrade to a new phone AND THEN spend another hundred or so to get new headphones/earbuds
You don't have to mate, basically the first thing they said after announcing that was "don't worry, you get an adaptor with your phone"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:44:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
History has repeated.
The first Android phone the HTC Dream, had no headphone jack. And Apple is doing the same with its iPhone 7. You needed a Mini-USB/3.5mm adapter for headphones in 2008. It was the same for the iPhone 2G.
I'm on a OPO which had 2 yrs of timely updates (4.4 -->6.0.1 for OPO)
With as much press as this is getting (plus I love my android everything and don't own any i-products), it makes me guess that in 10-20 years, if not less, we'll laugh about using cables to connect things
Yeah I agree with you that not being able to use wired headphones while charging without some sort of dongle is pretty shit. But thAt isn't a product of the 3.5mm port being better than the lighting port, but the fact that there used to be two ports and now there isn't. If there were two lightning ports on the phone it would be a more fair comparison when it comes to deciding which tech is outdated (if either)
Some of you other points I dunno about. You say the Lightning port needs to be replaced more often, in my experience I've broken the 3.5mm jack on 3 phones, 1 old iPhone and 2 android phones. Not on my current phone, but I use wireless headphones and bt for my car now so I wouldn't expect it to be broken. I've never managed to break a 30-pin , micro usb or lightning connection, I assume because they are much larger which allows for better structural support around them. But maybe it's just luck.
You also mention in that list of reason why lightning is worse that lighting headphones aren't 'better'. Well, I guess that really depends on what you mean by better. If you mean sound quality then they can be better, or worse. It depends on how they are built. But they have a higher ceiling in how good the sound quality can be. If you take some of the headphones that can use either 3.5mm and lightning, for the most part they will sound better when using lightning. This is because everything is essentially the same except for one piece, the digital to analog converter, or DAC. Since good headphones would probably have a better DAC than the one built into the old iPhones 3.5mm jack the headphones will get a better analog signal. But this is also a double edged sword, because cheap headphones will probably include shittier DACs than the ones in old iPhones. And you have to pay for that DAC on each pair you buy. I generally buy mid-tier headphones and mine seem to last a long time so for me this isnt a big issue but I can see it being huge for others.
Another benefit of the lightning cable is that it can deliver power to attached headphones. Active noise cancelling headphones wouldn't need to include a battery, which means they might actually be cheaper if it was a rechargeable built in battery, or less bulky if it was a AAA battery thrown into the cord.
Lightning also has the ability to send information back to the phone. Headphones with heart rate monitors could send that data to the phone.
All these things also apply to USB-C which will replace the 3.5 mm jack on Android phones (that already started a month ago) and the really shitty thing about it is now we are going to have two different audio connections. And that really sucks.
To be clear I'm not saying that Apple made the right choice getting rid of the port. I'm just saying that the port is an old outdated tech, it provides less power, less options and newer digital ports can provide a better audio signal.
KlossN ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:40:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So the lightning cable is where the headphones go? That was news to me, in that case I'm fully onboard with this
ignisnex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:29:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just had a thought. Does the thunderbolt jack output more audio channels? Can it do a native 5.1 or 7.2 experience? That MAY be a reason to do this whole removal of the 3.5mm jack business. Not a great reason, mind you.
gatf66 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:31:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Unless it's a Sony Z5, in which case it's just a storage port for my headphone jack....
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:39:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This reminds me of how Microsoft is advertising their Surface Pro vs the new iPad Pro. Basically just saying that they have basic features that Apple doesn't have.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:41:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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As an act of protest, I have chosen to redact all the comments I've ever made on reddit, overwriting them with this message.
andudud ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:41:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lumias too!
Lucarii ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:43:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Good thing I was planning on buying a HTC, under half the price and about as good as an iPhone 6
1wsx10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:27:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The 3.5mm jack is a great example of "if its not broken, don't fix it". something fashionable tech giants don't care for.
pinky218 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:29:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Give it time and you will start to see Androids dropping it, some already have. I really dislike this trend of thinnest phone at all cost that manufacturers have been going for.
Yup, always. Apple lead, pun intended, then slowly other companies follow.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:30:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lmao calm down y'all it comes with an adapter. Which is actually shocking coming from Apple
1wsx10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:27:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
having an adapter included is nice, but its nothing like having an in-built port. adapters make it more bulky for the plug to go in (especially in your pocket) and are a second point where it can be detached. this means more inconvenience when the cord gets tugged as you have to figure out which one actually got unplugged before proceeding. apple owns the lightning connector, and that means any headphone maker is going to have to pay licensing to apple (and also re-tool their machines to put the connector on) in order to have a set of headphones available for iphone7 users that don't want a bulky adapter that probably doesn't match their case.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:51:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The epitome of first world problems right here^
1wsx10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:27:32 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
it may seem like im nit picking, but thats how you explain good design vs bad design.
Just hope that it's not just mid tier phones that have them next year. For me personally, I only use beginnings headphones for porn and waiting in lobbies, so as USBC splitters exist next year, I'll be fine.
Regardless, I think ditching the jack is a bullshit move no matter how OEMs try to spin it.
drleephd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:49:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
interesting about USB-C to analog adapters existing. I Didn't know that was possible.
I never much considered the idea of eliminating the headphone jack-- I haven't noticed basic to mid tier phone designs that had to compromise much in order to incorporate a built-in 3.5mm jack.
To me, the whole issue reeks of lazy OEMs who ALSO don't care about their customers. The battle for market share in adroid phones is pretty competitive and I can see OEMs keeping the headphone jack for the hordes of people who still want one.
MFG1986 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:44:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think they are a lil ahead of there time. Soon that will be acceptable. Unfortunately so many people have a ton of money into Beats headphones and other junk with the 3.5mm. Im a Android user BTW and hate Mac products.. First time Reddit poster.
1wsx10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:11:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ahead of their time? take a look, the phone is still much thicker than the 3.5mm jack. they removed it because they want you to either use a bulky adapter or get some headphones with their proprietary connector.
the 3.5mm jack has not been replaced over the years like other standards because audio is easy to do and it has gotten to the point where improvement just doesn't make much of a noticeable difference. there is no need for innovation here.
See that big white block in the bottom left corner? Ya, that's the analog jack. Notice the size of it? It's absolutely massive. Ya, that is free now on the iPhone 7.
That space may not mean much to you but to an engineer at Apple, that's a lot of space.
So in terms of the analog jack not being broken, perhaps you're right but in terms of Apple and their space problem, and moving ahead towards the future and improving their products, you can only do one of three things, make the components smaller, make the case bigger, or make more room on the inside by removing things which once mattered and no longer do.
They don't see a point in the analog jack and neither do I.
Now, with that said......... my only concern is how to charge the damned thing while listening to my headphones. If they didn't think that was important then we have an issue.
1wsx10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:46:37 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
im surprised they couldn't make that any smaller. and if they are making moves that remove accessibility as much as removing a worldwide standard then im also surprised they are sticking with that shape of case. i mean, they could fit more in if they freed up those corners.
also, in the debate of analog vs digital, its unnecessary for this use case. audio works fine as analog. you want to talk about the signal being distorted from induction in the wire, well its hardly noticeable.
๐๏ธ No_Tamanegi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:51:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit, RIP my inbox. Thanks everyone!
antsugi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:52:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
meanwhile, my LG G3 thinks there are headphones plugged in when there are not. This is after almost 6 months of a jack that would only recognize headphones when pushed at an angle in the port
1wsx10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:03:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
you are comparing a $300 phone to a $1000 phone.
antsugi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:21:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
$300 now, $700 at launch. And headphone jack tech was nothing new. LG just really failed with the jack on their G3 model
1wsx10 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:25:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:55:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The iPhone 7 release has finally driven me from Apple, I would have left years ago but I have a maxed TH10 clash of clans account on the game centre that won't port over to android.
Even the specs, not much improvement in terms of performance, greater battery capacity however the phone requires more power to run the upgraded hardware and CPU so no real difference in battery life most likely... Now taking away a headphone jack so I have to use their shitty headphones or hope that Bose actually make wireless ones which are compatible?
This actually could be the long coming death of Apple. Android has so much more choice. In terms of performance and cost, the galaxy series outperforms the apple series every time. The Lumia series now has better performance than iPhones. There are a list of other android devices which outperform and they all use the same operating system. They're all compatible and you're not restricted to what you can install on them through some arbitrary market place.
My contract runs out March 2017 Apple and I shan't be remaining an apple customer, good luck over charging and ignoring your consumers over the coming years.
Actually as far as performance the iPhone always outperforms the competition. I just read the other day that the 6S still beats the Note 7 in day to day tasks. Anyways, im still with you on the headphone thing. Grrrrr.
NehEma ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:31:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Back to the good old these where each brand requires an adapter from their phone to a 3.5" jack. I'm a fervent Apple user, but this is a very stupid decision...
Scotho ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:56:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This reminds me of the ps4 ads when Microsoft was planning to make the Xbox one's disc games limited to one console
Firstly When you are talking about android you are talking about SOFTWARE. Secondly the iPhone is the SECOND phone to be without a headphone jack. The first was an ANDROID run phone.
Eedis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:15:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Still, fuck Apple.
NehEma ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:30:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And did that android phone sell well?
1wsx10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:40:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
artists license. they could have said non-apple exclusive but it wouldn't have the same effect.
i think everyone in this thread knows apple also has other phones that feature a 3.5mm jack
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:00:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ironic, since there are android phones even thinner than the iPhone, but still have the headphone jack XD
Headphone jack should only be removed when phones are ACTUALLY thinner than 3.5mm
I'm sure the female 3.5mm jack could be re worked to be thinner on one axis, open on one side with a 'c' shaped "recessed" jack that standard plugs 'click' into horizontally, rather than insertion.ยฉยฎ
NehEma ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:30:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That'd require an adaptor or new headphones, the hope would be that this doesn't need to make you have "something else" between your crazy expensive headphones and phone; adaptors get lost. 3.5mm is already a standard plug, it's really just the socket that could use an overhaul.
1wsx10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:37:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yeah, that or it could still go in the normal way, and be as if its chopped off on both sides. the parts that actually connect only need to connect at one point. i think that would be less susceptible to wear.
only worry there *(and i thought of that way too) would be now there's a chunk missing from the phone, a void while the headphones aren't plugged in, with a "c" shaped receptacle on the back you don't eat into screen real estate.
1wsx10 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:16:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hilarious...they will do what they want and people will follow because their friends on Facebook will gush about how great it is without the old headphones and aren't these ones better!...fucking eye and fingerprint scanning..Jesus Christ why? iCrap should concentrate on that piece of shit iTunes and make that a bit more friendly first.
Lol at all the vaguely pro-apple computers getting guilded. Who said apple fanboys have more money than sense?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:11:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The most amazing part to me was when he said "it will allow us to make the iPhone thinner" and then proceeded to reveal an iPhone that wasn't thinner...
ShadowzI ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:21:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
General market: We're going to slowly migrate and create usb type c headphones.
Apple: Lol... We'll do our own thing and we'll skip right to the jack instead of just starting with the headphones
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:22:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm honestly probably going to switch to Android once my contract is up... It's so annoying seeing all these awesome android phones, even non-flagship ones with new features, then Apple trailing behind like a sullen preteen saying "I don't want to do what everyone else is doing!" and refusing to implement features which have become standard in every other phone.
Red23UK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:25:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I use bluetooth headphones with my Android phone, works like a charm!
1wsx10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:08:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thats nice, but its also compatible with almost every wired consumer grade audio device on the market.
The 3.5mm jack is a great example of "if its not broken, don't fix it". something fashionable tech giants don't care for.
Apple announced they are doing away with Headphone jacks on the Iphones infavor of wireless "airpods"/headphones as well as a lightning jack to headphone jack converter piece.
Seems like lots of people have forgotten Apple bought Beats headphones. Any day now a new line of beats headphones with native lightening connector support will be announced.
ijui ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:51:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have been an iPhone user for years, and this is the thing that will get me to change. So lame. F post-Jobs Apple.
Exactly why I don't use garbage Apple products. Their only for people with a huge wallet because those people rely on things to do things for them.
Venrexx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:53:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, Apple pretty much shot themselves in the foot with that stupid move. Seriously, who the hell would prefer a phone without a headphone jack for the sake of slimness? (extreme fanboys aside)
I feel like everytime they want to go Forward, they just do something other phones already have done for years but then Charge dou le the amount and go one Step back by removing a necessary Feature.
Probably better that way. My 950 serves use as an expensive wireless hotspot :p
hinote ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:45:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do people not realize that all iPhone 7s come with a free adapter in box? Has anyone read the entire highlights for the iPhone 7? Or just stopped at the line that said "no 3.5mm jack"? I know it sucks, but people are reacting like my old headphones wouldn't be usable.
LaXandro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:47:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Personally I'm not bothered by this. It's not like all phones won't have a 3.5mm jack for those with high end IEMs that want one. Plus, audiophiles often have matchbox DACs for the headphones, so USB to DAC with 3.5mm and you're sorted if you're on Android if the big players make the same move.
I use apt-X capable bluetooth earphones having recently sold my Sennheiser IE80s. The quality is really excellent and I enjoy the cordless freedom. I think if Apple supported apt-X on the iP7, then this would be an even smaller issue, because high quality bluetooth earphones with mics for call handling can be bought for as little as ยฃ30 here.
But Apple don't want to pay CSR the license/compliance fees I guess. It also means for users wanting high quality lossless audio transmission, they will need to buy Apple's wireless buds for ยฃยฃยฃ as opposed to third party ones with equally exceptional audio quality, but for far less.
Virtually all OEM Android phones support apt-X for bluetooth. Nexus devices do not. I am hoping the new Pixel phones do, though... Not getting my hopes up.
Asoxus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:28:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Windows phone doesn't exist
UPRC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:14:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When it comes to smartphones, Androids and iPhones are Coke and Pepsi while Windows phones are Canada Dry Club Soda. Everyone forgets that it exists and nobody particularly wants it just because it's Canada Dry Club Soda.
iiJynx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:18:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I use bluetooth headphones anyway. And if I don't, I use the headphones they give you with the phone. I'm immune! And if I ever did decide to go back to a 3.5 they included an adapter.
It's happening on Android too. Moto Z doesn't have a headphone jack and there are a couple others as well. It's just not the best selling phone in the world that got rid of it.
cs-777 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:28:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Windows 10 Mobile...
slax03 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:50:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why wouldn't you go with both the headphone jack and the new technology? For at least one Iphone model? If this new proprietary Apple headphone thing is so great, people would gravitate to it and it would get rave reviews.
Forcing something on consumers that they don't want will not go over well.
There is no new technology :) There is nothing proprietary. They will just have a handshake that prevents any non-Crapple headphones or adapters from working, which was impossible with the jack. Simple as that, they just want to suck your money. If you knew something about audio, you would understand that there is no way, even in theoretical level, to create better audio with these things than what you can already have with something like FiiO Q1.
slax03 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"...prevents non-Crapple headphones or adapters from working... they just want to suck your money."
This is the literal definition of proprietary trademarked technology.
I have a solid understanding of audio as a video professional. What's with the talking down to other commenters for?
No, a proprietary technology must first be different than non-proprietary technologies. This one is not a new technology. In fact, it's not a technology at all. They don't have a specific technology there. They still use the same lightning bus as they used before. Removing the headphone jack doesn't make it a "technology". It's just a money-sucking gimmick.
slax03 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Lightning is a proprietary computer bus and power connector created by Apple Inc."
paulens12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:07:21 on September 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes but PCM audio isn't proprietary.
slax03 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:25:37 on September 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No one is talking about PCM compression and you're 5 days late to this discussion.
paulens12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:44:25 on September 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't blame me for not spending my whole life in Reddit.. I'm not as spoiled as some others here :D
But then, what are we talking about? Can you explain it better? Or are you just picking on my words because you have nothing better to do with your life?
slax03 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:26:57 on September 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We're talking about the physical lightning port. It's a proprietary Apple development.
paulens12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:03:45 on September 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If this new proprietary Apple headphone thing is so great
Ok then let me correct myself. There is no "new proprietary Apple headphone thing". The lightning connector has been around since forever, and nothing has changed now. It's still the same connector. And even if they had a new connector special for these headphones, it still wouldn't improve anything because sound quality doesn't depend on the digital bus except additional noise, which is inavoidable in such a small device, even with the fanciest of the fanciest connector that can fit there.
slax03 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:21:59 on September 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're nit picking at tiny details of what I'm typing. You're actually agreeing with my original comment and you don't even realize it.
paulens12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:07:05 on September 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol, I really don't see a way to understand it in any other way. You can explain what you meant if you want. But I doubt that will change anything. You don't know what you're talking about, and that doesn't equate to a tiny detail in any way.
slax03 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:31:23 on September 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Who the fuck mentioned PCM? You brought up something never before mentioned in this thread and are now telling me I don't know what I'm talking about. You're having an entirely different conversation all together.
paulens12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:27:39 on September 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well then why don't you make yourself clear instead of resorting to swearing? PCM is used for transporting the audio, and it is the only thing that influences sound quality before DAC. They don't have a new PCM standard, so nothing new here. There is absolutely no wqy, neither theoretical nor practical, that iShit 7's sound is any better than iShit 6, when using the same DAC, amp and headphones combo.
slax03 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:05:52 on September 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At no point in this comment thread has there been a discussion about sound quality until you brought it up. At this point I didn't know why you're replying to any of this, you're having your own conversation about PCM while I was talking about a different way of rolling out the 3.5mm Jack-less iPhone. I was talking about a better marketing plan and slower move to roll out a headphone jack-less iPhone and you're talking about PCM. What more is there to say?
paulens12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:40:02 on September 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If this new proprietary Apple headphone thing is so great, people would gravitate to it
You were talking about it being somehow "better". The only way it could somehow be better that I know of is sound quality. Do you know anything else? Because for me, the only thing that matters in audio is the quality.
slax03 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:07:25 on September 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I meant it as "better" according to Apple and not regarding sound quality but "better" as in your daily usage.
Most of us understand the benefits of cordless headphones but all here realize the problems they create will outweigh the benefits.
paulens12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:31:57 on September 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eh... I was just saying that you can use the same kind of DAC and wireless headphones on iShit 6 and 7. There is nothing "new" here. The only thing that is new is the lack of a headphone jack with built-in DAC/amp, but otherwise it's pretty much identical. So, this move does NOT create any benefits at all. Only problems. Because they removed something but didn't add anything new.
So I was referring to PCM to explain that there is nothing new here. The same lightning connector, the same PCM, the same Bluetooth. Same everything. Except there is no headphone jack.
slax03 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:13:31 on September 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ok I got it, we are in agreement but you're still trying to find something to disagree about.
paulens12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:14:33 on September 19, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, we're not in agreement. You implied that there's some "new proprietary Apple headphone thing". There is none. That's all that I'm trying to explain. Why is it so hard for you to understand?
Look!!!!!! An attachable cord for your wireless headphones....Fucking Brilliant!!!!!!!!!!
Jeush_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:31:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, Bluetooth has huge capability if done right. More than the analog port that is. But I was actually referring to the change of the analog port to a digital one. The analog port is NOT perfect as previously mentioned, and has a lot of room for improvement.
_deedas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:52:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah and that's also done through the Lightning port if you have a semi new car and upwards. My car stereo gets the music off my iPhone or android if you have one of it's USB port which also charges the phone. Charging is pretty slow but it gets the job done.
I posted this at MacRumors and they locked the thread and moved it to their "Wasteland" forum. That's how touchy they are about anyone who doesn't conform to their fanboy club.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:29:12 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh no. I have to leave the adapter that comes with the phone on my aux cable. My life is in shambles.
One day, these 3.5mm headphone jacks will be absolutely meaningless for us and will be a nostalgic feeling to look at just like how we see our old serial ports now. These changes can't be made unless if a first move is made in the market. There is no "perfect time". I can't wait until the day that we stop seeing this 3.5mm BS and people are moving onto different things to pick on for no reason.
In this age of bluetooth and waterproof phones, I can certainly see a good case for removing this jack from phones entirely. It makes sense.
gh1993 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:34:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's fine, now wireless will be the new standard and they'll be able to get price down to $20 a pair.
gibertot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:58:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
but have ypu owned a wireless pair of headphones if you use them as much as me its just a pain to charge them all the time and syncing with bluetooth is still a bitch i just want to plug it in and thats it
The syncing for the new wireless AirPods (they use a new iOS only codec besides Bluetooth, though they also support it) is super cool, you literally just open the wireless charging case, and now it's instantly(after you confirm it) paired with all your Apple devices.
No sorry - go away with your facts and pinpointing how that phone did it first. You're ruining the Fuck Apple circle jerk right now. Bring on the downvotes.
They say it's for making it thinner =/ I hope Apple crashes, they overcharge everything and steal everything. If anyone innovates on their designs they sue them.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:30:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Who would even choose thinner over battery life and a headphone jack?
jesse9o3 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:42:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The same morons who buy anything with an Apple logo on it.
Sorry about the late reply, just wanted to miss the wave of fanboys. Just look at any news website as to why they removed the headphone jack. Many say it's probably to make a thinner iPhone.
gibertot ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:54:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
being thin. arent phones small enough like size is no longer an issue ever since the iphone 5 i do not care if its thinner
Mezujo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:00:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We have thinner phones in China that have a headphone jack so that's a bs excuse as well.
does anyone remember when phones didnt have headphone jacks as standard and each brand had their own special headphones and what an unnecessary pain in the ass clusterfuck that was?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:27:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Its perfect, quasi-idiotic, corporate think. We have a large, loyal fanbase...how can we get more money out of them?
That's all. Probably a mistake as it should cause people to not buy their new iteration...but if they do...fucking everyone (under X age) needs headphones. Our civilization has issues.
Gk5321 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:28:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't really like this decision but I wonder how long until they either bring it back or every company follows along. Innovation right
so... this doesn't just affect headphones. don't most mobile device card readers plug in to the headphone port? are there any lightning port models out there today?
Square already has a wireless reader that accepts NFC and chip. Besides using the adaptor, the companies may make a Lighting-based connection model.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:38:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'll be honest. In technology whenever something crazy is done, if you look hard enough there's a rational reason for it. And it makes sense.
But this time, it doesn't. Hell, even if Apple's reason was "removing the headphone jack allows us to make the phone thinner" it would have worked. But they didn't do that, the phone is still the same.
I think it's just for marketing/pretentiousness. Removing the headphone jack gets people talking, it's "out-there" and generates waves.
And yes, it could also encourage more sales of bluetooth headphones. Like the Airpods, or the Beats wireless collection.
Those are pretty much the only rationalizers I can think of. And both are fairly weak.
I am reminded why I dislike certain Apple things.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:06:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:10:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't use any of those things at all. I don't use a disc drive either.
But an aux-input I still use regularly.
I can see that they're trying to usher in an era of "bluetooth only" headphone usage. But it seems misguided.
As a New Yorker, I lose my headphones constantly, and use them daily. Bodegas sell cheap knock offs for 5 bucks which always come in handy in a pinch. But... not for iPhone users anymore I guess. There are just so many things wrong with this idea.
wmd2009 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:49:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Gonna make the switch I think... Any ideas how to get my music off the cloud? That's the only issue I can identify.
They can always go back. They can release one next year WITH the iphone jack if it was that bad. So essentially they have one year to see how stupid their plan is. Heck they might even add it back in as a "NEW FEATURE".
The only thing Apple has over android is a cleaner more "pretty" interface. Although even that is a long shot after phones like the newest Nesus' and such. Apple is going to fall soon, I promise.
mimbo757 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:33:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just kinda think about it though. Do they really have a leg up on competition at all anymore? A lot of the die hard iPhone users I know are starting to see right through the BS.
mimbo757 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:00:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think they ever did tbh. Apple today isnt all that different from four years ago in regards to their products. Some people buy them as they consider them a premium product, some buy them for their ease of use, some are invested into the apple ecosystem or whatever. I'm a technical guy, has worked in IT, etc and I just enjoy the phone for what it is. I'm no Apple nut, I love my surface book and only use Windows computers, but my iPhone has always been more than sufficient. I've tried android on and off, but I always end up just trying to tinker the phone to work more like my iPhone.
It's just that Apple had diehards never cared and folks who just wanted an easy to use and reliable product don't care either. My mother and mother-in-law don't care about "the bs". They're used to what they have and will continue to purchase iPhones. Most people will.
Good riddance. Haven't used that thing sense Jaybirds were released, and I'll probably get those sweet AirBuds when my current Jaybirds die. Not too mention the superior audio quality of the DAC to lighting headphones.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:18:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apple, forcing you to carry an adapter for fucking everything just so they can have a product that is 0.1mm thinner or 1 ounce lighter than the competition.
Now all Apple users have left to do is call you poor and mad. And somehow they'll win by advertising to simpleton minorities that want nothing but a status symbol. I really want to be proven wrong.
It's advancing technology. Every car that comes out has wireless capability. Wireless headphones are huge. Wireless charging is a huge push. Apple is trying to force technology to take a jump that it's been eying up, but doesn't want to take. I use the headphone jack to plug into my car, but I would be an idiot if I didn't see its inconvenience. I have used every iPhone since the 4, every galaxy since the 2, every LG since the G2, every Nexus since the 4. Apple is trying to force technology towards a wireless future. And I love it.
leifeday ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:01:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well Androids just aren't courageous enough then /s
This thread is a one-sided mess... Why is everybody so surprised? This is what Apple does and always will do... They're always the first to get rid of older technology that everybody is comfortable with, but then everybody eventually follows in their footsteps. It happened with the Floppy Disk, and more recently the CD drive... And is everybody still mad at them for getting rid of their own old 30-pin chargers? They take so much heat for stuff like this, but in the end it gets better for everybody as a result.
The real poor decision from Apple is that they're still holding onto their proprietary lighting port instead of using USB-C... If they made the switch to USB-C for the iPhone, it would almost immediately become ubiquitous since so many companies want to use it and are already using it as the standard port for the long haul.
Same story with the CD drive - they're not exactly adding a new replacement, just dropping the older technology... In the short term it saves them space to keep their devices compact which we know they like to do... But from my perspective it promotes the alternative technology. The CD drive was dropped and it helped the growing cloud storage solutions. The headphone jack is dropped and it will pave the way for more versatile connectors... Headphones with digital connectors can allow more custom controls to software which you cannot do over an analogue port.
But again, switching to USB-C would have been perfect timing after dropping the headphone jack... That would've made up for it by a long shot and let everybody know that we could long forget headphone jacks and lighting connectors. But I guess I can see them maybe wanting to spread those out... But I am convinced lighting connectors have only a year or two left until we finally get to all use the same port.
They're not trying to advance anything in this case, they are trying to push their proprietary tech and make bank off of their new headphones. That's it.
They would have been making bank on new headphones either way... In fact, probably more so if they were selling new headphones with the universal audio jack. So I disagree with that in regards to the decision on the headphone jack. But that is the likely explanation when it comes to not switching to USB-C.
I love how everyone is so pissed at Apple for this and nobody is saying anything about Motorola already having an Android phone out with no headphone jack. The Moto Z has been out since June with only a USB-C port.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:06:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck right off Apple. You're full of shit! Money grabbing assholes
cplatt10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:17:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You fools do realize some android devices have also ditched the audio jack and do it through usb-c just like apple. Moto Z and Moto Z force both come to
Mind, but yet apple does this and every one makes a dumbass big deal out of it. Typical android fanboys
I for one give 0 zero fucks about a headphone jack, this 2016 and they have this fancy technology called bluetooth use it.
vactu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:37:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bluetooth has issues at time with sync and audio quality. USB-C is not what apple switched too, they went lightning only, which is only compatible with other apple devices.
cplatt10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:56:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most apple users use apple products, i sell cell phones for the largest carrier in the US and 19th largest seller of apple on the county, most people will only buy the earpods or beats that I have dealt with. This is a non issue to 95% of apple followers
cplatt10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:59:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also apple is giving an adapter to go from lightnig to 3.5mm which will allow any headset so idk what the big fuss is abaout
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:43:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bluetooth sucks though
skunkz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:34:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everybody, shut the fuck up and choose the product you like.
jlz45 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:43:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes! Finally the world will drop these piece of shit iPhones and move toward the obviously superior android os. Needless to add, but I hate iPhone fanatics who claim apple products are better.
All you Apple lovers will fall in line and buy the $150 ear buds anyways because Apple tells you what to do and what is cool.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:05:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Am I the only one that understands why they're doing this? The 3.5 mm headphone jack takes up quite a bit of space in the phone, so now they can fit more technology in tighter and tighter spaces.
Are we supposed to keep that same headphone jack forever? It's been around since the 80s and I'm honestly surprised it's lasted this long.
Don't get me wrong it'll be a hassle having to adapt, but that's the point of technology.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:14:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
it is just $170 to replace them? I am sure I will lost this fast. I feel only time will tell.
ITT: Apple sucks, android is better because they decided to get rid of an outdated technology.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:10:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kind of appalled by the ridiculous overreaction towards such an effective (de facto inevitable) design decision.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:21:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's basically forcing people to buy new headphones, and it's the only device on the market that's using it so you'd only use those special headphones with the iPhone 7.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:28:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Forcing people to buy new headphones? The new iPhone not only comes with Lightning Port earbuds, but a 3.5 to Lightning adapter in the box (i.e. you can use any headphones with the new iPhone).
If you're worried about not being able to simultaneously charge and listen with headphones โ a contrived complaint in itself โ there are bound to be dozens of 3rd party accessories on the market in the next few months to remedy that scenario (e.g. dual-female Lightning port splitter cables) ranging anywhere from $5 to $20.
Edit: Also, nobody is forcing you to upgrade your iPhone. You can stick with the previous gen as long as you want or until you find yourself more willing to switch.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:30:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To me it just seems like them trying to get people to buy more stuff. But that's what Apple's all about anyway.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:31:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How when all the "more stuff" you'd need to buy is included in-box for free? There's not even any "ghost charges" in the set price to include the new headphones and 3.5 adapter since the iPhone 7 is the same price as the iPhone 6 when it released.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:55:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's true.
But that little strip on the first page is accurate. People are gonna lose the air buds or whatever they're called so quickly. I just think the public outrage is reasonable, this is very new and pretty cool, but definitely not a highly desired feature... they could've done so many other things with the design. And isn't it not even thinner, which was the supposed purpose of eliminating the headphone jack?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:35:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But that little strip on the first page is accurate. People are gonna lose the air buds or whatever they're called so quickly.
The wireless "air pods" in that strip are an entirely different product available for separate purchase โ a ridiculous $159. The EarPods that are included in-box with the phone are normal, wired EarPods just like the ones they have always included, except the iPhone 7 EarPods are Lightning input instead of 3.5mm.
The wireless air pods are the actual, flagrant cash-grab in Apple's new accessory line: They are advertised as "next level wireless audio", but in reality they simply connect to your device through Bluetooth the same as any other wireless earbuds that have been available for over a decade and will only cost you $20-$40 for the average pair. Their audio quality is no different than any other Bluetooth headphones because it's simply not possible to raise the bar of Bluetooth audio quality at this point. The new wireless air pods also promote the "tap" gesture to access Siri (and I assume other gestures for pausing, etc), but again, these features have been available on hundreds of other 3rd party wireless earbuds for years.
Apple's "air pods" focus on one (very trivial) difference: They automatically/seamlessly connect to your iPhone when they are near it, rather than going into Settings and manually pairing them to the device like you normally would. It's a minor feature being pushed as some "incredible innovation". Anyone who buys Bluetooth EarPods for $159 in 2016 is a fool.
And isn't it not even thinner, which was the supposed purpose of eliminating the headphone jack?
Removing the 3.5mm jack was never about making the Lightning port thinner. The AUX jack intrudes on the phones base, and it has been eliminated in order to make room for two new hardware feature that occupy that space: the stereo speakers, and the redesign Home button (it has a "Taptic Engine" where the jack would be that allows the home button to be pressure-sensitive, and apparently will provide feedback of some sort).
The other bonus of eliminating the 3.5 jack โ or rather, putting focus on Lightning โ is the AUX jack is analog, while the Lightning Port is digital, which means Lightning Port audio will be much better quality. Whether or not you really care (or will even be able to tell the difference most of the time) is personal, but better audio quality is never a bad thing.
Sorry for the lengthy response and tangent on the wireless "air buds", ha. Just wanted to cover all ground :)
The first product is an actual beanie/toboggan with built-in Bluetooth headphones and playback controls for $10. After that, there's a slew of $20-$40 wireless earbuds.
The Apple airpods are very well-designed and aesthetically desirable, which is to be expected from the company, but they aren't actually "new" at all, and certainly not worth $159. I think they set their price that high because you're essentially paying for the new "W1" chip they put in them โ the chip that literally just allows you to connect through bluetooth automatically without manually pairing.
I mean the size ddifference is still there. For someone who doesnt want to bring a bag wherever he goes, those low profile apple/Samsung buds are great. I know that's really petty but you gotta give them credit for making such small buds, none of those in the link are comparable in size
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:30:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There are plenty comparable in that size โ did you not even look?
If you're equating "size" to the difference between having a ~5" loop cord attached to them then that's ridiculous. Not to mention almost every one that I linked above actually have smaller earbuds than Apple's wireless air pods, which look like you have 2 Bluetooth-phone headsets protruding from your ears.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:01:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Haha, it's okay thanks for the information.
I guess it's just frustrated me for some time how (in my armchair-tech-analyst-opinion) Apple seems to be doing everything it can to be different and not follow the trend. And it sounds like the stuff they just released+the improvements to the 7 might help the company. But I struggle to understand how the stubbornness of whomever to not implement things like wireless charging, quick charging, IR blaster, no expandable memory, extra-durable screen like gorilla glass (unless the 7 has something like this), less RAM, etc.
its not contrived, while i may not use an iphone i do charge my phone and have the aux plugged in, almost daily, in my car, to listen to music.
And as much as i dislike apple devices people who do like them should be able to get ones with basic functionality.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:02:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
while i may not use an iPhone
Firstly, you just admitted that you're arguing for argument's sake. Joining in on a conversation that's irrelevant to your current lifestyle is just a desire to be a part of any popular topic, even though you're entirely unaffected.
But I'll entertain the argument and tell you why it's contrived:
The practical need to charge your phone while listening to music is far too circumstantial to be considered pressing. Most people automatically plug their phone in to charge when they are near a charger, regardless of their battery life, purely from routine (learned behavior). I do it every day in my car even if my phone is above 70%.
But let's look at how impractical the circumstances actually are when iPhone users charge their phone while listening to music, and how there's a de facto "safety" that nulls the need for charging.
Long road trips: If you're going to be driving for a while, then it's typically a planned trip and your phone will likely already be decently charged when you walk out of your door. A fully charged, current-gen iPhone gets 80 hours of audio playback (divide by two for iPhones with 50% charge). I doubt anyone is driving for (+/-) 40 hours straight enough for their phone to die while listening to music.
Okay, what about streaming? 80 hours of audio playback, but 12 hours of Internet usage over LTE (full charge; 6 hours for half). Imaginary math guesstimating somewhere between 5-7 continuous hours of streaming before your phone dies. Again, the likelihood of needing to charge while listening to music is forced out of pure "my phone can't reach 10%" anxiety.
It's ridiculous to assume that the target demographic is charging their phone and listening to music while walking/running/in the gym, so let's breeze right past that one.
The only complaint left is that you un/knowingly leave the house with your phone 15% or less, and have to choose between charging in the car or listening to music.
But wait! You can charge your phone for 20-30mins while still listening to music, because radio and CDs do in fact still exist. So now the argument boils down to the entitled complaint that you can't listen to exactly what you want, when you want โ A lazy, contrived (if not superficial) complaint born out of nothing but entitlement and impatience. It's unrealistic and the vast majority of products (especially those pushed by major companies like Apple) are not designed to cater to these types of circumstantial wants โ not "needs".
Of course, it'd be remiss of me not to point out the iOS standard "low battery mode" feature, which can stretch 15% of battery life for around 2 or more hours (even while listening to music), and can be enabled at any time your battery falls below 80%. A key factor in why charging your phone while listening to music is more of a familiarity than practicality.
1wsx10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:22:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The 3.5mm jack is a great example of "if its not broken, don't fix it". something fashionable tech giants don't care for.
having an adapter included is nice, but its nothing like having an in-built port. adapters make it more bulky for the plug to go in (especially in your pocket) and are a second point where it can be detached. this means more inconvenience when the cord gets tugged as you have to figure out which one actually got unplugged before proceeding. apple owns the lightning connector, and that means any headphone maker is going to have to pay licensing to apple (and also re-tool their machines to put the connector on) in order to have a set of headphones available for iphone7 users that don't want a bulky adapter that probably doesn't match their case.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:42:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
and that means any headphone maker is going to have to pay licensing to apple (and also re-tool their machines to put the connector on) in order to have a set of headphones available for iphone7 users that don't want a bulky adapter that probably doesn't match their case.
So I'm guessing you missed out on the part of the Keynote event that said how there are already a hefty amount of 3rd party headphone options that use lighting connector, which have actually been on the market since lighting connector was introduced (because the LC was originally introduced as an audio connection).
1wsx10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:51:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
what is keynote?
(because the LC was originally introduced as an audio connection)
it doesn't matter weather or not it has happened for some manufacturers (if it has they will still probably be paying to use it in their next model too), the lightning connector will have a significant effect on the budgeting these companies need to make. this is going to have an effect on the price of their product.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:20:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Over 900 million devices use lightning connector now. And yes, lightning port was initially introduced with higher quality, digital audio output as one of its main selling points.
You're trying to talk about an Apple product decision, the company, and its business models but you don't even know what I'm referring to when I say "Keynote". What's credibility?
1wsx10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:29:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
sorry, i didn't realize i had to be familiar with an application in order to talk about the economy of a new connector.
the thing about the high quality audio is that the 3.5mm jack has been around for so long specifically because there has been no demand for it. (or next to no demand, i don't want to get into the audiophile niche)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:45:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When someone says "you missed the Keynote" or "Apple Keynote", they're referring to the live events and unveiling press conferences that Apple has been holding 2 to 4 times a year since 2007, where they cover literally every new hardware/software product and update to the world ... sigh What's credibility? What's context?
1wsx10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:02:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
again, its irrelevant. i dont need to watch their conferences to be able to talk about a connector they made.
Face it, thinner is improvement. 3.5mm is a legacy since 1964. Modern phones are fighting for space and ancient technology has to go to make room for future improvements.
I have no idea why anyone would want a phone that isn't a Samsung galaxy. Easy to use, durable, good battery life, very few software restrictions, fast, external memory etc etc etc the list goes on.
Am I the only one that doesn't care about the missing headphone jack? I'm very confident that other manufacturers will follow this trend and remove the headphone jack.
People complained about the change from 30 pin to lightning but you hear nothing about that now.. I'm sure this is going to be the exact same situation
How antiquated. I want to bookmark this post so that by next year when all phone makers have moved away from old fashioned headphone jacks we can look back on the neckbeard posts.
Ianchez ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:59:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yea, I have a really nice pair of headphones that I'll have to use with the adapter. Oh well.
so_wavy ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:14:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yeah i don't care either lol
MntIsDew ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:48:49 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Some people don't have the money to buy brand new BT headphones and devices such as the Square card reader (which isn't compatible anymore) or an AUX cord won't work when charging the phone
Tennikee ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:27:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In all fairness someone who can afford the newest iteration of an iPhone can likely afford new headphones as well. If you don't like it, don't buy it. As simple as that. Speak with your wallet.
MntIsDew ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:51:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Point taken. But I don't see why someone would buy the earpods.... a decent pair of JBL or Sony BT headphones cost around $80-120.
eh, in the same boat, but I can imagine people less fortunate than us (cough, buy their headphones at 5 below) will be fucked when they can't buy cheap bluetooth.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:39:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It comes with an adapter as well. So you can still use your old headphones.
Headphone jacks suck. They provide shitty audio and are one of the most vulnerable part of the phone. Its an ancient standard (130+ years old) that is due to be replaced. I just find it funny that supposed tech people are so reluctant to adopt new and better technologies... the whole backlash sounds like a bunch of old folks complaining about the world changing without them. As such, these posts happen every time Apple has moved on from an obsolete tech like floppy or CD drives, and in every instance of this happening these posts always look ridiculous in hindsight as it becomes clear that Apple was right to push us toward something new, or away from something old.
Overall, I really can't believe this reaction... utter hysteria. Its really just fear, lack of vision and android fanboyism/apple hate.
danosaur ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:02:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Headphone jacks suck? It's Analog-Out via a copper buss from the DAC? How is that shit for any purpose?
It's an industry standard in both 3.5 and 6.5mm - do you see Pro-Audio users switching out their copper lines for Bluetooth receivers in Recording Studios? No, they're using the reliable and lossless standard of copper cabling, XLR and 6.5mm connectors.
Ethernet is always a better option if you have it. Bluetooth headphones will never compare in quality to equivalent wired headphones. It's just the way it is.
I actually really like having a dedicated Ethernet port on a laptop. WiFi will always be the slower option, and occasionally you want the extra boost for large downloads/streaming.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 02:46:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Some minor inconvenience up front for a better experience in the end. I'm glad they are pushing us forward.
Shiznot ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 00:44:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I find it incredibly amusing that apple fanboys are crowding this thread trying to prove their overpriced phones are superior.
I don't need a headphone jack, I have Beats Bluetooth headphones
AKA monster cables in headphone form.
am0x ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:05:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Let's be honest, these days Android Fanboys are, by far, the outspoken ones.
It's a damn phone. Are people really so boring that they identify with material items as who they are? I get you like one phone or another, but why do you care what other's buy? Mustangs are fast and cheaper than Mercedes, but I'm not going to bitch if I owned a Mercedes.
Shiznot ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:18:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Let's be honest, these days Android Fanboys are, by far, the outspoken ones.
That's why all the apple guys are here attacking everyone and claiming superiority I suppose.
It's a damn phone.
I agree.
Are people really so boring that they identify with material items as who they are?
Not all of them, but people who do annoy me.
I get you like one phone or another, but why do you care what other's buy? Mustangs are fast and cheaper than Mercedes, but I'm not going to bitch if I owned a Mercedes.
I agree, the only thing I oppose is claiming that a Mercedes or a mustang is objectively better than the other. That's a personal opinion.
am0x ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:41:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yea personal opinion but who would take the mustang over the Mercedes?
Shiznot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:53:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People who like muscle cars.
am0x ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:19:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe, but wen then it proves my point. Most people don't play PC games, why would they need the best hardware? They would prefer luxury.
Mustangs are in a different class than Mercedes depending on the Mercedes. So yea while it is an opinion a high end Mercedes is going to be superior to a mustang in almost every single way
You fan boys are incredible. Bluetooth blows the quality sucks. I'll continue to use my superior android device. You continue to praise apples "new" ideas. You realize even this shitty idea has already been done by android? Apple is so revolutionary.
Dirigent ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:02:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Personally, I like that the new iPhone has done away with the headphone jack. It will push other manufacturers to develop wireless headphones, as they sure as hell won't produce to cater to Apple specifically. Wireless headphones were a matter of time, and it's just nicer.
About 400 comments later, someone will say "here we go again. More people bitching about change." And then in a year they will completely forget the whole thing.
Like when you needed to buy the new digital tv antennas after the old bunny ears stopped getting supported. Bitch bitch bitch then move on.
This is easily the worst decision apple has ever made, well maybe besides the pippin. But I feel like people are skipping over another fact, the iphone 7 is supposed to be water resistant right? Well if you look at the end of the announcement video on youtube it says that liquid damage is not covered by the warranty, so if your water resistant phone breaks of water damage they won't give you a new one. This obviously isn't as bad as the headphone jack but i think it's also something that people should be acknowledging
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:05:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just bought a Moto Z Force and it's also lacking a plug. I have an adapter and can still use my regular headphones with it. Even so, the only reason I was willing to ditch the jack was because of all of the awesome modifications that I can make to my phone now. They ditched the jack in order to allow them to do something revolutionary with the phone. They didn't sell the lack of a jack as something revolutionary in and of itself.
pac_pac ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:31:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You didn't actually say what was revolutionary about it. You're gonna have to back that up.
Celesmeh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:01:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Look up moto mods, it basically makes the phone modular
Quick swapping phone modifications that don't require any disassembly or powering off of the device. They're held on with magnets, but hold on far better than I would have expected. I've never had anything come apart unexpectedly. I have the bigger battery and the speakers. The phone is super thin so that the mods don't make it clunky. With the battery, after 20 hours of regular use I still had about 60% battery left. Then, whenever you want, you can just un-clip the battery and clip on the speakers. They have their own battery so they don't drain the phone and they're loud enough that I was able to listen to and understand an audiobook while I was in the shower, and it wasn't even full volume. There's also a projector, but I have neither the need, nor the cash for that. They're working on other mods as well, but those are what's out there so far.
What phone did you come from? I was looking at the z force until I compared screen real estate to my G3. The mods are awesome but I'd only do battery if I even got it. Currently loving the V20 and waiting to see some hands on reviews.
My previous phone was a Moto X, so it's a pretty obvious step up. I also use line launcher, which lets me pack more apps and links into the home screen. I was originally planning on only getting the battery, but the speakers were on sale and I actually ended up using them almost daily, mainly in the kitchen. The other nice thing is some of the gestures and the trick where notifications can be previewed without turning on the screen's back light. I keep my phone on my desk at work and it's nice to be able to wave my hand a few inches in front of the screen and see a preview of my notifications without having to even touch the phone.
maqee ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 01:07:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
IPhone 7 isn't even waterPROOF.
I don't understand why they can't keep up with Android phones when their numbers are insane.
RIP Apple
Nepluton ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:39:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No phone is water proof, they are water resistant.
maqee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:12:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Galaxy's flagship are all waterproof, most even being proven to beat their 30 minute threshold, and withstand hours underwater then being pulled out with little or no damage.
Nepluton ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:23:59 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thats still water resistant, waterproof means immune to all water damage. Which they obviously arnt.
I don't understand why you guys aren't happy. The 3.5mm is outdated technology. Headphones should all be wireless by now. Plus the fact that they're giving away an adapter makes all debate pointless.
gcburn2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:53:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wireless earbuds? Sure, but I'm already spending $150+ on nice Sennheiser over-ear headphones. I'd rather not be required to repurchase something inferior for $200+.
We have a universal port that is relatively small, analog, and has been shown to be made water resistant if not waterproof. What is the benefit of dropping it?
--96 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 01:40:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also exclusive to Android, and more specifically the Note 7, Exploding batteries!
--96 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:52:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You linked me to a problem someone had with a laptop charger, cool, it happens.
What hasn't happened however is a mass re-call of ALL units due to fucking EXPLODING batteries dude.
Nice try though
I do not defend the removal of the headphone jack, but...
My dad just got an android phone, literally tonight. I have an iPhone 6S and I've never used any other smartphone in depth.
Android OS sucks so much dick. First, the touch screen on the S7 right off the bat is not as good. Idk what it is about it, but it's not as good as Apple's. Not as responsive. It's really good, but not as polished as the iPhone's.
Second, Android voice to text is garbage compared to Apple's.
Third, I'm a PC guy. I work in IT. I build and fix PCs. Why is Android OS so needlessly cluttered with bullshit? The fucking thing (S7) came with like 3 screens of bullshit apps that I can't imagine a normal person ever using. Like, consolidate that fucking shit. The 6S actually came installed with 90% useful stuff.
If Apple does anything well it's making a phone that's fun to use, reliable, and quality feeling. Everything's integrated to work together. I won't be getting an iPhone 7 because it literally does nothing new, but the Galaxy affirmed my opinion that Apple are really the ones who know how to make the best phones.
There are numerous custom rom available. Usually much much better than stock. Check out Xda if interested.
Zeal514 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:33:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Android is better, if you know how to use it. Aside from at&t phones, the customization, & use of your phone is limitless. The lag, delay, or anything else you may have a problem with is just a result of people not knowing how to avoid it.
The s7 is a great device. I personally have a note 4 for personal, & a iphone 6s for work. I hate the iPhone. Everything is oversimplified I don't want all of my apps on my home screen. The list goes on. My android does everything my Iphone does, except better. No lag delay or any other issues everything is seemless, I just keep a widget on my homescreen, I press it and it kills all open apps & clears up my phone ram, all good.
I will say apple does have very good quality hardware, except, they practically design there phones to break.
I'd hate to be stuck in apples world where only some products are supported. As a matter of fact, my girlfriend has a ipad & transferring files to it is a pain in the ass. My phone, I just open file explorer on my wifi, access my nas, boom instant file transfers, whatever folder. Her ipad, got to break out of faithful iTunes, the restrictive show software forced down or throats, because it appeals to the sheep.
I think eventually Apple will just try to sell the same iPhone every year as the new iPhone. I know that's been a running joke, but I mean literally - Just slap on a new sticker with a higher number and hope people will "upgrade". What the hell else can they do?
I just don't see there being any future worthwhile upgrades to the "ubiquitous black squares" we all carry until we get AR glasses/contacts, brain implants or a truly wearable device with equal functionality, which I don't see happening any time soon. So we'll just have to live within the "smartphone dark ages" until we get our renaissance.
Actually, Apple hardware sales have been declining for awhile. The phones not that much, but the ipads and laptops definitely have taken a hit. Not that it matters because they make like 300% profit off any item sold.
deboes ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:20:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The fact that most of the Internet has lost their shit means it was the right call. We're moving from an audio analogue to digital media port. Did everyone really lose it this much when component was left out for HDMI only?
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 08:26:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why are android users so insecure?
The truth hurts.
Koper3k ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 09:29:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't worry. After 1-2 years all Android phones will remove 3.5mm too. Just like they always do after Apple.
hahaha, that's funny because Android has had a lot of features that were later added later to iPhones.
http://bgr.com/2016/06/14/ios-10-vs-android-stolen-features/
Regarding cables, iPhone changed the standard entrance for each iPhone model (or at least iPhone 4-5). I don't see that feature being copied by companies using android. So yeah, long live micro USB. Unless they have a good reason, jack 3.5 will continue with us for a long time. Long live the standards. Now all we need is a "Make Apple Great Again" joke.
UPRC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:07:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Please please please don't act like Apple always does everything first. Nobody does everything before their competitors.
papaeco ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 23:48:46 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I got a Samsing rn, and I love it way more than the iphone, but i'm gonna have to switch back because litterally everyone else has an Iphone
Why would you have to switch back because everyone else has one?
papaeco ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:51:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Its not just me joining in on a trend, It's my international family, and me having an Iphone means i can face time and keep in touch, and I know I could use skype, but most my family there aren't very tech savy.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 02:56:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Old tech that works, is cheap to make, universally compatible, has superior sound quality, easy to use, doesn't need charging or uses excessive battery, etc... Yeah, there's a reason it's still around after these years. Because nothing better has come along to displace it yet. Nothing worthy.
vicarwin ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:18:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But but but it has to be thinner! Seriously though how long is Apple going to stick with this gimmick. I'd rather have a headphone jack, larger battery, better processor than have it be thin. And guess what it doesn't really matter how thin it is because most people use phone cases anyways
Steve would have made the engineer who showed him the dongle, shove it straight up his or her own asshole before Steve would ever ship a new flagship phone with it.
"And Iโm gonna need you to put that dongle way up inside your butthole, Jeff. Put it way up inside there, as far as it can fit."
I said Apple was faster, where did I say it was superior? And I never contradicted myself, unless you are using a different working definition of the word contradicted than what is generally accepted.
Crypto- ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:38:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Funny how everyone was bitching when they ditched the floppy disk back in the 90's. Look how far we've come now
Dayan54 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:42:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because a slim phone with a bulky case is normal sized but a bulky phone with a bulky case is like having a brick in your pocket/purse
You're dumb to think Apple is the first big tech company to do this . Oppo did this with one of their devices a while back and Motorolas new phone has no 3.5mm jack
Diknak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:00:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not very well but Apple does spend a lot of money on marketing and is a huge company . So yes it'll sell very well :)
Practically anything Apple or Samsung makes it'll make a profit .
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:53:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow amazing!
My Mind is blown!
runs away
ar9mm ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:54:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cuts off too soon. Where's the part where it bursts into flames?
Zeus1325 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:58:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was going to get an iPhone for my next phone, Ive got a mac and iPad, but now...Im sticking with android
Apple execs probably said something like, "yo, we're gonna take the headphone input out of the iPhone and these idiots are still going to buy it. Watch!".
So now you cannot charge and listen to music at the same time? Innovative! Especially since Apple phones are always significantly behind in battery capacity to Samsung phones.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:26:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
roxasx12 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:10:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In a smartphone space comes at a premium because there is such a limited amount. I'm all for removing the headphone jack if that means more space for new technology.
Honestly, I am quite pissed at the fact that Apple removed the headphone jack.
It's a nightmare for anyone on a low wage who wants to listen to music. Not only are the earbuds ridiculously expensive ($160), they consume battery power, which is something apple phones aren't known to be good for. And you can't use the same headphones you use for all your other devices. What if I want to save money and get a pair of quick emergency headphones for 1 buck huh? Can't use them.
The money grabbing needs to stop. I would be totally down if this was an optional feature and the phone still had a jack. But Apple says they need to be thinner, who the fuck needs a thinner phone?
Phones are moderately lightweight already, and besides I'd like to feel some weight in my pocket as security if someone decides to pickpocket me. Now, if they worked on the fragity and battery life, that would be innovative.
Let's be honest here, you shouldn't be buying an Iphone 7 "on a low wage" or owing any apple products in general, unless you got them used couple years since they've been around.
Who are we kidding tho, murican consumerism will not let common sense to strive, and chances are, you'll be getting one upon release.
Yeah but the phone is a one-off purchase, or something you get on contract. The earbuds can be damaged, eventually stop working or lost, and you'll have to keep replacing them with $260, the price of a new phone. That is quite devastating to the wallet knowing how headphones in general can be.
And it means you can't even get a $1 pair of wired headphones until you get a new pair, y'know?
I am an Android guy. Always was and most likely will always be. It's nice to shit on Apple and all, but I am damn fairly sure that in the nearest future all the fucking headphones will be wireless. Apple is just pawing the way. 100 % a couple years from now everyone will be looking back at wired earplugs and cringe.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:58:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bluetooth is shit quality and I don't want to carry around a charger for headphones, so I'll always have a wired headset
I feel like headphones switching to USB-C instead of the 3.5 is much more likely. The only disadvantage would be not being able to charge your phone while being jacked in. People are comparing this to forcing people to drop Floppy disks, it's not even in the same league.
mcqtom ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:32:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry pal, Windows Phone has this in spades.
WrenSC2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:39:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Now if only more then .7% of cell phone buyers would buy Windows Phone maybe your comment would mean something.
mcqtom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:28:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't matter how few people buy them, they're still better than iPhones.
diyab_ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:37:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean I'd rather have no headphone jack then a 2.0 megapixel camera
You mean until other manufacturers inevitably follow suit and remove it from their phones too? That's usually how it works when Apple doses something like this.
I won't miss it.
I've had LG Tone Bluetooth headphones for a couple months now, and will never go back to wired headphones. I use them at work for 10 hours a day, and they have never died on me.
When they inevitably crap out on me at some point, I'll probably buy the Air Pods since they look damn nice.
Before you start downvoting me for sounding like an Apple fanboy, I've used both Windows Phone (a Lumia), and Android (Nexus 5) for at least a year each, and I've always come back to the iPhone. I just enjoy the user experience, and love Apples build quality and design.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:38:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm an android user, and I've been using wireless bluetooth headphones for almost a year and have no intention of going back to twist-e-knot headphones ever again, but that's none of my business.
You know what I find funny? Apple does things different and people hate all the time. Once the boo's subside people go "oh this is kind of cool".
I use multiple platforms so don't side with one over the other. Still the fact I can get wireless ear buds is epic. No more getting snagged up on shit when doing yard work!
POP_L1F3 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:40:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
jgreg728 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:47:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
eyeroll people will get over this soon enough. The thing comes with an adapter anyway. And to the people who complain that they can't charge and listen at the same time, who tf does that anyway? Buy a dock if you do that at work, they still have a separate headphone jack.
tsnives ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:55:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Needing extra accessories for daily function is just idiotic. I'll just stick with functional devices that don't need the user to cover for the design. If it offered a single benefit it could have been an understandable change, but all it was for was to make them thinner so they would be easier to bend and drop.
jgreg728 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:32:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you get a free adapter with the phone then just plug it into your existing headphones and never worry about it again...
And apparently the intent was to make way for the extra components that went into the new cameras. Also I'm sure it helped the amazing extra battery life bump the regular 7 got.
Am I the only one who is all for this? I'm not even an iPhone user but I do understand the benefits that come with moving to all digital. And no, it's not only for saving space!! You can potentially be getting better audio quality as well. Accept it, this will be happening to android phones as well! I just wish everyone would agree on usb-c so we could be a truly universal utopian society.
I'm just going to point out that the Motorola z also has no headphone jack. Apparently everyone doesn't know this. It also comes with an adapter for your headphones.
Honestly, I thought this was crazy at first, but it's actually not a big deal. There's an adapter included, as well as some sweet new digital headphones. It sucks for people who connect with aux, but my car has usb input and Bluetooth, so it's all good. Also, you could use the adaptor to do aux. This is a non-issue for me. Fuck the air pods though. Horrible idea. Will never buy.
nevermind the dozens of android phones that have tried to remove the headphone jack for years, pfffft facts
DMod ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:46:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't agree with this decision, but there is so much misinformation and circle jerking in this thread. They didn't remove it to make the phone thinner or add a second speaker. It basically came down to placement of the components inside the phone causing interference with the new camera. The headphone jack was just valuable real estate that they needed.
jgreg728 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:47:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol the haters blowing this issue up more than it needs to. The rumor has been ongoing for over a year now. Get over it. The adapter is free and won't become lost if you keep it attached to your usual pair of headphones all the time. It's really not that big of a deal....
lol it's hilarious how people see apple release a new product and immediately act like:
this is the ONLY product made by Apple that serves this purpose (it's not)
there's a history of repeated poor decision-making when it comes to dropping legacy features (there's not)
the competition is light years beyond apple and won't ever align themselves with any of apple's dramatic and horrible product decisions (they probably will, much like apple does to their own competitors)
please. give me a break. while i'll be the first to tell you i prefer apple products over most others, i won't deny the advantages to a customizable OS, plethora of hardware options, a much more open app economy, etc etc., but i also won't watch an I/O presentation and pretend that google's product decisions are historically awful and in poor taste and won't ever succeed or make any sense in a year or two.
except for that whole project ara thing. that probably deserved every bit of criticism.
NerdRep ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:14:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Am I the only one who thinks this is not a big deal? It comes with new headphones and a new adapter for old headphones, and bluetooth headphones have been out for a while, some of which are already pretty awesome. Not to mention, untangling headphone wires is a GD PITA! So seriously, whats the problem here? I'm not a fanboy, but I also don't understand this dramatic outrage.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:33:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Thork420 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:48:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd just like to point out that, as a rich person, we think you're poor if you aren't using Bluetooth headphones. You look poor when you use wired headphones, no matter how "nice" they are, that's just the stigma associated with seeing a cord hanging across your chest today. Sorry if this butthurts some of you, but maybe it'll save the image conscious ones here some embarrassment.
So all you care about is the image? Well why don't you buy designer earmuffs? I mean, the sound quality obviously doesn't matter to you as it's at the cost of design, so why have it? Most people who outright claim to be rich are at best upper-middle class with a slightly above average income, in my opinion. I think you just haven't got used to being in the top 40%. The fact that you are defending the removal of a port that only was causing 0.3mm of thickness is stupid really.
That's entirely subjective, and I've count the number of times I've been to concerts on my hands, and you still haven't got any reason not to have the port.
I gave you the reason. Apple is a Luxary brand, and cords make people look poor/ dated. apples white headphones were never anything special, but they stood out and we're always associated with the luxury apple products. Don't tell me when you saw a pair 6-8 years ago you didn't assume it was connected to an iPhone or iPod. Don't tell me you didn't feel cool when you wore a pair in public. If we're going to judge off of practicality and utility Apple has NEVER been ahead of the curve. I had an MP3 player that could play video years before Apple released anything that could. Apple is about fashion, Luxary, and branding. So it makes perfect sense for them to drop the headphone jack in a world that's full of Bluetooth headsets, as wired headphones decrease the prestige of their product. They want to discourage people from using $3 airplane headphones on their $800 phone. A $20 tie will never look good with an Armani suit, a $10 steering wheel cover will never look good in a Ferrari. They saw something that looks like shit and successfully deterred people from using it. It's genius. It's no different than ABC/XYZ Clothing company refusing to make XXXL shirts and size 42 pants.
Oh, I see where I went wrong. I was treating this as if the iPhone was the only brand on the market. But it still is a stupid step on Apple's part as they'll lose many customers. However, I agree with your reasoning.
mundoid ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:47:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When are people going to wake up to the fact that apple is a dirty, lowdown, money ganking whore of a corporation?
They aren't removing USB ports and 3.5 jacks becase of any future compatibility. They are doing it so you can't use third party hardware and are forced into buying more crapple products. ffs stop supporting them!
What does a micro USB port have to do with anything? Apples never used them, and even Android manufacturers are ditching them.
NehEma ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:34:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For usb type c which is another non proprietary format.
Eedis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:45:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What does Bluetooth and headphones have to do with charging your phone?
mundoid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:29:21 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh look, here come the Apple fanatics brigade coming to defend their lord and saviour. You can stick a Bluetooth headphone in your ear if you want, and lug a lightning/USB converter everywhere so you can plug in a friggin usb stick. I'll be sticking to companies that actually give a shit about function over form, and their consumers.
MrGalecki ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:21:22 on September 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Who peed in your cereal? They're just phones. Relax.
Kann0r ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:29:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, I'm not going to miss it one bit. I haven't used corded headphones in over a year.
Even though everyone is hating on the removal of the 3.5mm headphone jack, Apple is the winner here because of all the discussions and free publicity it is getting.
1wsx10 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:05:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
apple is a widely known, international company. "any publicity is good publicity" does not apply
ally1707 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:54:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, I am not that upset about it. I rarely listen to music while I'm charging my phone. In fact the only time I've ever done so was because Pokemon Go had drained my battery so much that I had to use my power bank on my way home.
However, over the years I have run into a few problems with iPhone cases and the cutouts for the headphone jack. I have some headphones with rather bulky plugs and once I had a really sturdy case with a ridiculously small headphone cutout so I couldn't use those specific headphones for a while.
I totally understand that people are upset but for me personally, I think i could get used to it. Once third party adapters and splitters come out I don't think it'll be such a huge deal for me.
And as someone who recently dropped her iphone in a sink with the water running, the fewer ports on my phone the better xD
smoofles ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:10:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs amazing how much Android users care about Apple products.
Afrobean ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:47:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I still don't understand why people care so much about this. You can still use your old headphones with the new iPhone. Literally all they did was move the jack's location. And it's not like Apple is forcing people to buy adapters, not to mention that Bluetooth is way more than capable of satisfying the needs of the typical consumer. There are even Bluetooth dongles available that allow a person to use old analog headphones wirelessly, so there are a few different ways of dealing with this. Yeah, Bluetooth might drop the quality a bit (while still being more than good enough for most users), but old iPhones aren't giving audiophile level quality out of the headphone jacks anyway and I'm sure the USB option will deliver comparable quality to the old built-in systems.
Seriously, I bet it won't be too long before you have to plug your wired headphones into the USB slot of most of your Android devices too. It's just a more efficient design to have the universal serial bus port send audio out along with all of the other universal data it's responsible for. Sort of like how most manufacturers don't bother with SD slots. If you ABSOLUTELY need to read a SD card, there are adapters that can be plugged into USB, but wireless storage is effective for most users so it's not worth using up internals space on a redundant feature. See also: dedicated mini-HDMI ports being replaced with MHL or SlimPort (along with wireless options like Miracast).
Also, if you don't like this new, more efficient design? Buy from a competitor that offers all of the niche features you need. And maybe if enough people do this, Apple could change their mind to cater to that market segment who demands this feature.
Atwalol ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:51:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
3.5 mm has been the standard for 20 years, and will be for at least 20 more.
Its a perfectly fine standard that works wonderfully, and will remain so for the simple reason that any headphones bought in the last 20 years can basically be plugged into it.
Afrobean ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:13:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree completely on all fronts. The 3.5mm TRS standard is great and will continue to be a useful industry standard for audio for the foreseeable future. That said, it still makes plenty of sense to not waste internals space on a feature that is non-essential and which can be easily covered with a simple USB adapter and wireless alternatives.
I think the breakdown here is just that many people consider a 3.5mm audio jack to be an essential hardware feature when it's not and can actually be easily avoided. I used to feel the same way about physical keyboards.
Atwalol ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:17:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well saying its not essential is just silly, as its something that will differ from person to person.
I would never buy a phone without a 3.5 mm jack, I have about 5-6 pairs of expensive headphones that all are 3.5mm. Sure adapters work, but lets be real, adapters suck. To me the jack is essential.
Heitomos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:16:50 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, it only has bluetooth headset capability, and they want you to buy their set of wireless ear buds that cost 160$ and are easily lost. And you can't charge the phone and listen to music at the same time. And they want you to 'just trust us' that it's a good idea.
And again, Apple didn't "innovate" shit. They copied someone else and made it white, shiny and expensive.
"But itโs also worth noting that Apple isnโt the first smartphone brand to ditch the headphone jack. Chinese competitors have had jack-less devices on the market for months, and have been experimenting with them for years."
I truly don't understand why people care about the headphone jack. (Minus the audiophiles). I worked at an electronic store and By FAR the most popular headphones were wireless versions. Get over it already.
Nothing funnier to me than Android fanboys... you guys are exactly the same as Apple fanboys, except you actually don't think you are fanboys while you show the same brand biases and blind opinion that defines fanboyism.
The only thing worse than an idiot is a hypocritical idiot.
Hahaha, yes, calling out shitty and hypocritical behavior is being a judgmental asshole while constantly belittling people because they prefer a different phone than you do is totally ok.
Your argument is a really pathetic age-old technique of the weak... that I'm an asshole for calling out asshole behavior. You are trying to create a reality where your shit behavior is beyond reproach. Sorry buddy, not gonna work here.
If you wanna sacrifice every ounce of sound quality, then sure.
mikeysof ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:28:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because "courage"
joevsyou ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 01:56:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
because it's stupid when we live in a wireless era and when the usb port can fully capable of doing audio and more so why take up space inside a small little box for 2 ports?
Hell yeah, get rid of the ports and go wireless. In fact who needs on-board memory when you can have wireless hard drives or cloud garbage storage. And why take up space on the box for a screen when you can use your watch for a screen. Why even have the device at all go ChromeBook style and have a watch that only works if it's connected to someone else's computer. Or just make a device that has as much connectivity as possible and don't get an iJunk.
[deleted] ยท -19 points ยท Posted at 02:07:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
of or denoting a type of behavior or personality characterized by indirect resistance to the demands of others and an avoidance of direct confrontation, as in procrastinating, pouting, or misplacing important materials.
I asked you how much thinner of a phone you needed and your first response was 'get a flip phone' followed by 'lagdroid lol.' And I'm the passive aggressive one?
Lol, so this is what arguments with Apple fanboys devolve into. I asked about the thickness of a phone and we're now to you talking about me being born from sodomizing a donkey. You stay classy man and keep on shilling for Apple.
The jack is more phallic, so feminists should love the new lightning connector because, given it's the only viable hole, the iPhone is now male, and it's ok to rape a male iPhone.
But eeeew!! that male iPhone just touched my butt! RAPE!!!
redyambox ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:41:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The only reason they have to remove the audio jack is to enforce DRM on music. That is all.
Not because they wanted to make the phone waterproof... not because they wanted to make it thinner... not because they want to "start the bluetooth headphone revolution".
I don't doubt that the phone will still play everything over its speakers, but over Bluetooth and lightning connections I expect to start seeing issues with playing over non Apple endorsed headphones. (the 3.5mm adapter is there for now... but how hard is it to disable or drop support for a lightning accessory when we know that iOS can interrogate the accessory?)
Bluetooth can be a bit tricky, it's up to the manufacturer to decide what the device reports itself as, but in the end it is still a digital connection.
What I'm trying to get at is that with a pure digital output, it really isn't hard to put a block on playback.
Just my humble opinion. But I really see no other reason for them to take away the standard audio jack.
So you mean play back over non Apple headphones or other types of speakers? That sounds like some shit Apple would do. That's why I don't buy anything Apple.
Billion dollar company like Apple wouldn't "make a mistake" on this scale.
They know their intentions, and I'm sure you know they even had focus groups. Maybe they have some knowledge on where the audio industry is moving away from 3.5mm jacks. I mean who knows really, besides then.
Point being if they standardize it, it will become popular. Love them or hate them, they have a pretty good idea of what they are doing.
joevsyou ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:55:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I glad someone has the balls to remove the old use jack from phones, We are in wireless era and and for some reason you still want a stupid wire hanging down, usb cables are capable of transferring audio so why have 2 ports when 1 can do audio plus more?
There's going to be a lot of butthurt people when Android inevitably does the same thing with their phones, and a lot of those people are in this thread.
Geta-Ve ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:15:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I for one am happy about this decision. It will push ear phone tech forward as well as normalize wireless earbuds and lower costs (eventually).
Apple did the same thing with the cd rom drive and are no worse off. Say what you will but their bold decisions are the reason the phone market is where it's at today.
I guarantee that other cell manufacturers will follow suit. They may not use the Lightning port, but they WILL ditch the aux. if for no other reason than to gain back some of that insanely premium internal space. On top of that, they don't have to take the initial beating for doing so. I am all but certain the industry was just waiting for Apple to cut the tether.
Vanthonn ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:32:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I see android is still living in the dark ages.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:36:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:58:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As someone who switched a year ago to a Galaxy S6 from an iPhone 5, even lack of a headphone jack won't stop me from running back to iPhone.
pvtjace ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:02:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A galaxy would make anyone switch....
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:28:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Remember when the iMac was released and people freaked out because it didn't include a floppy drive?
lettis ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:42:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
its time to get away from analog, do people just expect to be using the 3.5mm headphone jack for another 10 years? 25 years? 100 years?
at some point there is going to be change and there is always people who resist the change and people who drive the innovation forward.
graboy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:59:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why get away from analog? The speakers in headphones are controlled by an analog circuit, not a digital one. This means that a digital to analog converter (DAC) circuit will need to be placed in every pair of headphones. This is redundant because it's much easier to have a single DAC inside of the phone, rather than many DACs in every pair of headphones. This will not only drive up the cost of headphones overall, but also result in worse sound quality for budget headphones which use low-quality DACs because they can't use the high-quality DAC that used to be on the iPhone.
So, yes, I expect to be using the 3.5mm headphone jack for the rest of eternity. There was a reason it was designed this way.
lettis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:43:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
hmm interesting point!
it assumes that a user can tell the difference between a low and high quality DAC
and it assumes that the cost of a DAC would stay the same for ever, the cost of technology is always getting cheaper as manufacturing technologies evolve.
the price of a DAC for a headphone company will certainly decrease enermously as demand for them increases
when on a level playing field and the quality of the DAC chips are universal and cheap (assuming they are not already, cant imagine they cost more than a few dollars per headphone) it will surely be better to have digital audio
the price of the DAC would likely already be rock bottom in anticipation of the iphone 7
jlz45 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:48:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol. Is this in defense of iPhones being ahead of the curb? Got news for you on the hardware and software fronts....most devices running android have been ahead of iPhones since as early as 2012. Apple marketing seems to have gotten the best of you.
lettis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:36:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
in what way is the software and hardware in front? im not really partial either way i dont even own a smart phone, every time i have used an iphone ive found the user experience far better than android and it seems most people i know prefer iphone, android runs like a bad linux kernal to me
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:47:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I don't get it. Is this suppose to be funny or something? And how the hell did this make the front page?
Edit: I get it now. The new iPhones don't have headphone jacks.
1wsx10 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 08:02:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
in the world of engineering, the less complex solution is almost always considered the better one.
Zilveari ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 10:05:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This doesn't really make sense... Android is not a hardware manufacturer. It is the name of a mobile OS. And some Android phones will be coming out without headphone jacks. Samsung has been mulling it over for a while now.
The real problem here is that Apple users get iPhones because Droid phones are too hard for them to understand. So removing the audio jack is just too confusing for the iSheep casuals. Speaking in general terms of course, there are smart Apple users out there.
Edit: Adjusting grammar, although my point is already ruined by auto-correct.
So you call out people for not being able to "understand" how to use a Droid, yet you don't understand the difference between a contraction, a possessive and an adverb? That's outstanding.
As someone who works for Apple, I think it's a tough decision but ultimately good. Wireless , though expensive now, is the way to go. It provides the best experience for users- no tangeled cords, less damaged devices due to getting yanked, and more enjoyable usage due to not having a dangling and annoying wire . Also, sound quality through lightning connection offers higher quality . I think this decision is less about what is most convenient and more about optimizing the phone to offer the highest possible of quality . If you can buy a $649 phone, then you can buy wireless headphones or deal with their FREE adapter for the standard headphone jack.
rethyk ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:00:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
the real issue here is how do you charge your phone AND plug in your headphones at the same time?
Wouldn't do that , you'd use wireless to listen and then plug to charge. If your talking about a car for example, then you would be saying "let's not progress-- we still have old cars!" Which is totally fair, I'm not discounting your thoughts, but still you are being held back by older technology.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:46:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Blue toof is wireless. Having blue teef though not a good look in 2016.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 01:55:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love how many people are FUCKING OUTRAGED at this. I mean seriously - I didn't know Reddit (and Facebook, and anywhere else that posts Apple news) had so many users who are engineers.
I'm assuming the billion dollar business isn't going to do anything to effect their bottom line. I understand that there are people that say that the AirPods should have come in the box, but seriously, it's a business. People did the same freak out shit when they switched from 30 pin to Lightning and look, EVERYONE has Lightning enabled accessories.
I understand if you don't want to buy, but can we can the shit where we're acting like this is THE WORST THING EVAR!!!11!!!
avboden ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 02:47:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This many people complained when they removed the CD/DVD drive, and then when they ditched firewire, then when they ditched the 30pin connector.....you know what? It's worked for them every. single. time. I'm gonna give them the benefit of the doubt on this one that it's gonna work out just fine.
I'm a 25 year veteran programmer (C#, sql DBA). I use iPhones and love them. I've owned Android devices as recently as two years ago, and didn't like them as much. Frankly the money isn't an issue and I don't use earbuds, ever. The iPhone 7 is looking great to me.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 08:36:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So all of my worldly travels and living abroad don't count, you're more brilliant by default because you were BORN IN a self determined superior country. And you think that what we learn about the world at age 18 months is more relevant than when we are in our 30's.
Pretty sure you're the dumb shit in this thread. And an asshole too. Good day, my last post to you.
YYCEggy ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 05:49:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
old technology has no place. same deal was with floppy disk , apple was the first one to get rid of it ... everyone was crying " that is so stupid ... no bring back floppy " ... shit... when was the last time you have seen floppy disk ? i bet most of you don't even know what one looks like ...
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 09:55:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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UPRC ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:06:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You probably buy a new fuck phone every year without thought.
As someone who keeps the same phones for 3-4 years, the misconception that almost everyone does the above these days amuses me (since I can only think of one person I know who is like that).
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 10:19:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're all going to be onboard in 2 years.
I haven't used wired headphones in a while and this is seriously the biggest fit I've seen the tech community through.
Besides, an adapter is in the box.
Good riddance to ancient technology, and Use some BluTooth.
Alienmade ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 03:04:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Primitive backward thinkers who don't understand change and would rather have everything comfortable how they want it with their teddy bears sucking their thumb will be primitive backward thinkers.
irule ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 13:41:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i am watching this and it looks so old... thank god Apple improves
ibrahim73 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 16:39:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i am totally and utterly upset by this! Why Apple? Why?
Having said that, let me remind you that android is just a blatant shameless ripoff of the iOS. So without the apple, android wouldn't even exist, IMO!
And without Sony, the iPhone wouldn't exist. It's a never ending line of people poaching ideas.
So stop trying to sound elitist with your iOS is better than Android rhetoric. It just falls flat.
ibrahim73 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:12:59 on September 20, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
what the hell are you talking about? elitist? Im stating historical fact. What's sony got to do with anything i said?
edit: ah ok, i get what you mean. Still...
stonefit ยท -32 points ยท Posted at 22:45:47 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'll trade a stupid headphone jack for waterproofing any day. Sign me up for bluetooth phones!
It still remains waterproof, you typical douche apple fanboy.
stonefit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:20:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey! I resemble that remark!
PowManiac ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 02:47:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People. The headphone jack is outdated. It takes up valuable space for a job that the lightning port can easily do even better. Also, they're giving you an adapter with the phone. Why are we acting like Apple said "Throw away your headphones...you're gonna buy these now"
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:49:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Love keeping a dongle attached to my phone. Guess I'd be okay with it if Bluetooth wasn't an abortion on iOS.
you could leave said dongle attached to your headphones, if you wanted to be practical or sensible.
DFWFTW ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:12:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're right it's outdated. Unfortunately every phone, tablet, and audio device uses it except the new iPhone. Oh but they give you an adapter that way you can still use your existing headphones, awesome!
Then you hear I'm sorry you lost the adapter, well you have a few choices if you still want to use this device for music, podcast, or whatever. You can 1. Buy a new adapter. 2. Buy a new set of Bluetooth headphones or speakers.
If you lost your headphones wouldn't you do the same if you didn't have extras?
DFWFTW ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:01:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Let's say you lost both the adapter and your headphones because, well they plug into each other then what.
DFWFTW ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:17:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I understand they are trying to do something different and advance modern technology, but they aren't giving you reasonable options. If you want want to use something that is readily available you will have to use their adapter. If not, then you will have to buy a completely different type of product.
$2 headphones that now cost $169 that everyone will lose with an apple chipset it will license out to select companies with a free $34 adapter everyone will lose that cost 2c to make in bulk.
Sounds like a future we can believe in folks! Take a bite of the apple!
The Bluetooth headphones are an extra item you can buy if you want them. You're not forced to buy them The adapter is $9.... I'm also certain headphone companies won't just ignore this move. Just like JBL has already done, they'll make them with lightning port connections instead.
King_Webb ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 01:16:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Praise be to all the bloat-wear that android support. Lag. Lag. Lag. Lag. Lag. Oh....yawn....thanks for waking me up....what was it that you wanted me to do again....oh make a phone call....sure can....I'm....getting....to....it.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:35:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Living back in 2007, Android is hardly the cluttered laggy mess it used to be.
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Donald_Keyman ยท 7320 points ยท Posted at 23:03:48 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This could honestly be a commercial for android now
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It's dat boi, 3.5 jack.
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crozone ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:26:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dongle's out for Harambe?
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andypant ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 04:07:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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TurtleFucks25 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:29:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:11:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
3jack5me
Boats_of_Gold ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:34:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I miss 5" Jack.
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:()
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Some memes need to be aged like a fine wine.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:57:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah it's actually mine
UrbanEngineer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:57:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jon Frost Chicago Crew?
JonFrost ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:36:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Had half a mind to claim I was, but I've never been to the windy city.
UrbanEngineer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:47:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
:) I know a Jon Frost from up there. Too bad. If you go, avoid the South and West sides for obvious reasons.
rhn94 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:35:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
2late
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z3rus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:38:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Joke's on you. You're not OP.
gabbagabbawill ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:54:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is the original
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:31:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Lying_Cake ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:36:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
THIEF!
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Lying_Cake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:56:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you're into that shit, then sure.
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Too late, already stole and tweeted
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STOP RIGHT THERE, CRIMINAL SCUM!
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iijeriichoii ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:44:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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allrollingwolf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:51:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The internet is for sharing.
Lying_Cake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:54:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I heard the internet was for porn.
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Shiny_and_ChromeOS ยท 200 points ยท Posted at 03:37:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"except for you, Lenovo. Go sit in the corner and think about what you've done"
FocusedADD ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 05:54:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm very out of the loop, and I've got a Lenovo tower. What did they do?
oeihbg ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 06:05:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lenovo owns Moto. The Moto z, z force, and z force droid does not have a 3.5mm headphone jack.
VaporStrikeX2 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 07:24:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
God dammit. And here I am, enjoying my Moto X, looking to upgrade to a newer Moto. Guess not.
NintendoGuy128 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 07:50:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Z Play has the headphone jack.
Skoot99 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:22:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm running a Moto X (2014). Anxiously awaiting a OnePlus 3 in the mail. While I know I could have used this phone for another year and probably been happy(aside from the 16gb storage that's really ~8gb and the crappy camera) the OP3 definitely seemed like a worthy upgrade.
Within the Moto family, the Moto g4 Plus was definitely in the running.
tadadaaa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:55:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
moto g4 has it.
ladut ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:56:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly it's not that bad. I just keep the dongle on my headphones.
The 20-minutes to near full charge is kinda awesome.
Doctor_Fritz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:22:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
so basically another company did it before apple, failed miserably, and then apple proceeded to do it anyways. heh.
Shiny_and_ChromeOS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:50:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They merged Motorola into their own smartphone division and the Moto Z they released this year to succeed the Moto X eliminated the 3.5mm jack in favor of a bundled adapter dongle for the USB Type-C port. Their new Moto G4 was also reviewed as having clumsy design (huge chin w/ fingerprint sensor that looks like but isn't a home button) and very poorly optimized software with stuttery performance. It was very apparent Lenovo set out to make a phone with marketable high specs on paper instead of focusing on designing the best possible user experience at an affordable price point, which was what the Moto G was the benchmark for back when Motorola designed it.
Strid3r21 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:01:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait that square at the bottom isn't a home button? Wtf
if_the_answer_is_42 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 08:29:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It could be worse- you could be buying a new blackberry... god knows how they haven't completely gone under yet.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:22:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Shribbles ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:14:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That and the business contacts.
if_the_answer_is_42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:30:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't know they had moved to android to be fair... but makes sense as their own OS was a shambles. The company's real value these days lies in a bunch of other softwares & IP licenses... seems pretty ripe for someone to acquire them IMO
Solomonlusk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:34:35 on February 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They have now.
Say117123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:36:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Go read about the Priv and DTEK50 if regular android security updates are a must for you.
IAmBetteeThanU ยท 129 points ยท Posted at 03:03:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, that would be the best marketing campaign Android could use.
ThePoltageist ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:45:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean its what we are all thinking already...
Fgtfv567 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:54:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, Android's true motto is "Be together, not the same" so the two aren't that far apart from one another
IAmBetteeThanU ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 04:59:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"We aren't fucking morons." just has a nicer ring to it. I much prefer it.
Fgtfv567 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:45:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're right it does have a better ring to it...
Rex_Mikakka ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:59:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not so fast... How many morons?
Hawkbone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:17:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Only 2, i think.
MrMabuboo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:41:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just checked, it's 4.2. Trust me I'm a machinist.
fuckusnowman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:24:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And it works two ways, because Apple is most definitely fucking the morons that buy their shit...
zadolinskistien ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:56:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Introducing: The Android 3.5
nitro1122 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
this one gave me a good laugh. Have an upvote
zadolinskistien ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:57:02 on September 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Gracias:)
Sagaci ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:56:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Like when Sony Playstation did that how to share games with friends during the release of Xbox One and the PS4 to mock Xbox One on their planned no sharing games? XD
IAmBetteeThanU ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:29:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can share games on XBox One. I guess the backlash of that decision forced change.
Sagaci ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:57:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but just the way that ps4 put the commercial out was like how android could mock apples decision.
Nonpareil090 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:22:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They don't have "courage"
SteelCrow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:56:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't there a British beer called 'courage'?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Courage_Brewery#Beers
Well that explains what Apple meant by courageous thinking.....
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:02:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
More for me!
fera_acedia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:19:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait...the Moto z doesn't have a headphone jack though
momsworldwide ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:26:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah i want to write a fuck you letter to apple asking them who the fuck they are
WhiteAdipose ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:04:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You mean "Android. We're not brave like Apple." /s
chipmandal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:22:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Android has a headphone jack?
MagnanimousEINZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:05:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking perfect.
Zilveari ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:06:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Within the next year there will be an Android phone without a headphone jack. And most likely it will be the Galaxy S8, since Samsung has been thinking about removing it as well. This gives them the incentive.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:38:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Zilveari ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:46:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You obviously don't understand Samsung. Overpriced hardware with shit software, and let the service providers own their devices instead of letting the consumer own them. All they care about is making shit thinner, and stupider.
mydoobie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:46:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Android. We aren't courageous enough"
pickleweedinlet ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:30:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But lucky for Apple, their flocks of fanboys are.
0912873465no ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:03:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"We just all think we are hackers and want cheap plastic phones that explode."
ozzagahwihung ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:18:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The anger directed to Android users from apple fans over this decision by Apple is almost tangible
0912873465no ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:32:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean I don't care if android fans have something I don't, I'm willing to try the new thing and give it a chance, if it sucks, but generally Apple changes are just behavioral adjustments.
TheOriginal_SamBell ยท -91 points ยท Posted at 03:21:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, you fucking are. This is a minuscule, free adapter that's added to the end of your headphone cable. But you've all soiled yourselves over it.
Meanwhile, the new iPhone has a 14% larger battery, adding to the already excellent performance per unit of power of iPhones.
So yes, you are fucking morons.
MistaFolgers ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 03:26:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Found the Apple fanboy.
pickleweedinlet ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 04:32:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apple could sell bricks and they'd buy them with equivalent zeal.
Lucas-RS ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:57:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That was quick
TheOriginal_SamBell ยท -32 points ยท Posted at 03:37:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's rich, in this sea of Android fanboy inanity.
Whatever. Enjoy that glorified keylogger in your pocket.
ThePoltageist ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:47:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
its ok man, don't be cross about it. You will get the same technology on your phone 2 years, ofc with a myriad of accessories that you can only buy through apple for an exorbitant price.
TheOriginal_SamBell ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 04:52:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm having trouble interpreting that. Apple will change the technology in two years?
Apple has changed their cable technology ONCE since the original iPhone. And you Android fanboys love flipping your shit about that, too.
ThePoltageist ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:56:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
so it has just slipped by you apparently that iPhone has been a generation behind an a lot of useful mobile device functionalities, in multiple iterations of the iPhone? Oh yeah it would because you just by iPhone because its the iPhone. IPhone has had only one thing over android for pretty much the entirety of the mobile device arms race, the size of the app store.
TheOriginal_SamBell ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:58:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I figure you'll just jump subjects again if I refute this dump truck.
ThePoltageist ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:03:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
FTFY
MoesBAR ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:56:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Really? You're gonna brag about how Apple designed their new iPhone to work best with wireless earbuds you have to buy separately for an extra $160 and are just begging to pop out of your ear and stepped on by strangers when youre in a rush?
TheOriginal_SamBell ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 03:58:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The hell? Who are you quoting?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:08:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Circuit Breakers released a video for the headphones, stating they are going to be sold in October for $160.
TheOriginal_SamBell ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 05:11:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So what? Nobody has to buy them to listen to audio on an iPhone.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:20:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If the new iPhone doesn't have an audio jack, and only uses wireless headphones, how else do they listen to audio on the iPhone without playing it through their speakers? People already frown upon this, so people use headphones to not bother the surrounding public. It just seems like a petty cash grab for Apple since they know many people will buy the latest and greatest, you know? They're making a phone that can only be used with their own special $160 headphones, correct? It seems like people WILL have to buy them to listen to audio on an iPhone without being "that person" who plays their music through the phone speaker.
TheOriginal_SamBell ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:27:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A small adapter that comes free with the phone. Any headphones. The universe doesn't change one bit. But Android fanboys are losing their fucking minds about it. Go figure.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:53:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ahh, okay! I was unaware of the adapter. I guess my FB has been blown up by the "wireless" aspect of it rather than the possibility that it is staying compatible with regular headphones.
-kindakrazy- ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:48:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Which will quickly be eaten up by the new lovely "wireless" headphones that look like broken Q-Tips hanging out of both ears. Good ol' Apple.
TheOriginal_SamBell ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 03:51:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's cool that you're a smart phone & wireless technology engineer.
-kindakrazy- ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:01:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Possible secret enginner. Or just knows basic facts regarding wireless devices and battery use.
TheOriginal_SamBell ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 04:04:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So these will drain the phone's battery 14% faster? Is that your calculation? What is your source for that? Or is that secret too?
I think you're just an android fanboy.
skoffs ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:18:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Says the pot to the kettle.
-kindakrazy- ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:20:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do yourself a favor. Don't go to the front page for a while. So much Apple bashing going on you may have a stroke.
-kindakrazy- ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:15:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just like the amount of licks it takes to get to get to the center of a tootsie pop.
The world may never know.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:09:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maaattte hold up the size of a 3.5 jack does not add up to a 14% increase in battery either they are using better bateries in general or they arnt 14% better. You lost a headphone jack for nothing... Also fuck having a goddamn adaptor for headphones its just another point for something to go wrong amd fuck up so you need to spend more money...
TheOriginal_SamBell ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:18:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can you guys hear yourselves? You are fucking morons.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:23:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Quoting someone out of context for a point doesnt work very well when the full quuote is just above it...
MAADcitykid ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 03:25:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Go back to your Apple subreddit
spadeops4 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 03:34:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How do you like them apples
Page_Won ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:35:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
applesauce BITCH!
AngryGardenSalad ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:24:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nexus 6p has a 3450mah battery. iPhone 7 has a 1960mah battery.
114% of a small number is still a small number...
TheOriginal_SamBell ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:31:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There are indeed phones with bigger batteries.
EverySingleRedditor ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 03:25:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
LOL
nilesandstuff ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:29:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Relevant username.
ThePoltageist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:52:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
check the post history, this account is a meme dedicated to redditors (tbh I hope its a sophisticated bot, designed to be the stereotypical redditor)
nilesandstuff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:07:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
god i hope you're right.
vishnumad ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:49:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What if I want to watch some tv shows on my phone at night before I go to sleep while my phone is charging?
TheOriginal_SamBell ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 03:50:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Watch your show
Charge your phone.
Lucas-RS ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:00:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Phone dies mid way through show. Gotta wait 10 mins for enough battery to finish episode... End up going to bed ten minutes than your Android counterpart.
TheOriginal_SamBell ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:05:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your iPhone will run all day by far, and more likely several days.
I guarantee you it'll perform far better than the Google keylogger in your pocket.
eastwesterntribe ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:22:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, common. It doesn't matter what type of phone you have... its literally just an operating system. Phone batteries die when they get used. The more assets a phone is using, the faster it dies. Apple dosent have a magic "battery saving os" and neither does anyone else. You can defend your favorite phone all you want, but in the end... its just a mobile operating system on a mobile computer. At their core, all phones work the same way. They use a cpu and gpu for processing and ram as well as disk space for storage and aid in processing. That's it man. You don't need to be an ass to people...
TheOriginal_SamBell ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:36:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Of course operating systems matter.
And when you compare phones of the same generations, iPhones tend to be at the top, or above.
Some actual testing:
http://www.trustedreviews.com/opinions/which-phone-has-the-best-battery-life
You could say that about 1000 comments in the 5 Apple bashing posts on Reddit today. But you won't, based on the phone you use.
BigRed8303 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:46:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Speak up mumbles...
We can't understand you with Apples dick in your mouth
TheOriginal_SamBell ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:53:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're coming through loud and clear with your Google Keylogger up your ass.
BigRed8303 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:58:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apple could have at least given you a reach around as they fucked you in the ass, instead Apple just zips up and leaves like your dear Ole dad did when you were a little boy.
TheOriginal_SamBell ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:59:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ok I'm going to leave you to your metaphors.
Eagleznest ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:01:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The irony here is that Apple is logging and extrapolating as much data as possible from you at any given moment, yet all Android phones are "key loggers"
TheOriginal_SamBell ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:08:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The irony is that this is the stupidest thing said on this thread, amidst a strong field.
TheRollingBones ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:23:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"several days" lol it hardly lasts a full day with average use now, how is an extra 14% supposed to translate to several more days of use?
TheOriginal_SamBell ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:32:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Watch the keynote about uptime of the device. Apple doesn't lie about this stuff, in fact they tend to be conservative.
Lucas-RS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:01:09 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And at the end of these "several days"?
vishnumad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:03:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What if my phone is almost dead? What if I fall asleep during the show? Removing the headphone jack is a really big inconvenience for most people in my opinion.
thedirtyjackal ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:55:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're going to delete your post within the next few hours, I guarantee it.
TheOriginal_SamBell ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:59:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why would I do that? Do you think I care about the little votey thing? Or the opinions of you brain-numbingly stupid people?
thedirtyjackal ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:12:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, otherwise you wouldn't be here.
YT4LYFE ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:35:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
larger than what?
TheOriginal_SamBell ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:35:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Than their current phone.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:24:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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TheOriginal_SamBell ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:31:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Android is the OS though. The question would be about hardware.
ozzagahwihung ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:27:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can literally taste the salt from here
nitro1122 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:51:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Quick get your popcorn there is enough for everybody
Ricelyfe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:45:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We all know the adapter isn't going to last....then you gotta pay $9 for a new one. Tbh nothing is going to change in terms of users,people who are more tech savvy or on a budget are gonna go to android, everyone else who wants to fit in with the masses will go with the iPhone. At this point there aren't many more real gamechanging improvements to be made,just the same features rebranded.
TheOriginal_SamBell ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:54:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cool how you know that.
Android has 90% marketshare.
Kashimir1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:18:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is a fine point that I more or less agree with.
This is just weird. Bringing the battery increase into the conversation might make sense if that battery size would seem impressive when compared to most phones on the market, and if every single vendor didn't incrementally increase their battery size with every model. Also, increasing the size of the battery doesn't actually do anything to the performance per unit of power.
I don't much care for the Android vs iPhone thing, but I do feel pain whenever any company, with a reach to influence the market, ditches well established international standards without the possibility of it leading to new and better standards.
TheOriginal_SamBell ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 04:38:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A D A P T E R P R O V I D E D W I T H EA C H I P HO N E S O LD .
Holy fuck you people.
Kashimir1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:53:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But, that's irrelevant. I'm just generally salty about the Apple's disgusting disregard for standards. The fact that, when I go on a trip with my Nexus 6P, iPhone 5S (for work) and my old but gold Nokia BH-905 headphones, I have to take three separate chargers/adapters just because Nokia was (back in 2008) and Apple is still unable to follow basic hardware design etiquette.
We can only hope that the combined pressure from the USB Implementers Forum and the new EU legislation will be enough to push Apple over, that when the law comes into effect next year โ
Oh... Well...
TheOriginal_SamBell ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 05:59:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Unable? Apple ushered in USB with the iMac. Apple contributed substantially to the design of USB-C. Apple keyboards, phones, watches and other devices use Bluetooth.
You Apple bashers aren't impeded by the facts, are you?
It's fucking inane how much you people care about A FUCKING CABLE FOR YOUR PHONE WHICH CAME FREE WITH YOUR PHONE.
Holy fuck. The only thing more shocking is that I'm wasting precious moments of my life on this brain-rottingly stupid shit.
SteelCrow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:19:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They did nothing of the sort. Apple had less than 5% market share back then. They couldn't have 'ushered in' anything.
No more or less than Apple apologists.
TheOriginal_SamBell ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:25:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Every Apple basher (and I'm old enough to have known your equally inane predecessors) was foaming at the mouth about how Apple was removing ports, and going with this completely obscure USB thing. It made headlines, and as the iMac became a hit and a cultural phenomenon (as far as computers go), peripherals went from non-existent to very common. Of course, USB may have been successful anyway, but this is a totally fair use of the term. Apple enthusiastically pushed a standard it thought was better, and removed those it felt were archaic. Just like it's doing now.
And I'm sure they knew you inane, "Calvin Pissing" Android fanboys would be flipping the fuck out about it. I think it pisses you guys off even more because Apple clearly doesn't give a shit what your slice of humanity thinks. In fact, if you're jumping up and down, they're on the right track.
SteelCrow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:57:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No jumping here. I'm laughing myself silly at everything Apple. It never made headlines. No one cared about apple back then. iMac was never a 'phenomenon'. I don't recall apple ever getting beyond 10% marketshare until the ipad/iphone. Usb was popularized by everyone PC.
TheOriginal_SamBell ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:09:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.fastcompany.com/3044088/tech-forecast/apple-and-usb-a-history-of-adoption-acceptance-acquiescence
You're just wrong. In the tech world, the iMac had a big impact, and the USB port was the sujet du jour among people who care about such things.
The description of this author, while using animated language, is essentially true:
But Apple shocked the computing world when it swept its old connectors away with the original 1998 iMac. The bulbous computer adopted a then-struggling standard developed by Intel called USB (Universal Serial Bus).
As an Android fanboy, it's not that you disagree with the facts, it's that the facts are irrelevant.
SteelCrow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:12:49 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nope. No one cared. Lots of self aggrandising apple babble, but no one cared.
TheOriginal_SamBell ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:22:12 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You are so full of shit.
I was the art director for a tech magazine at the time. You have another source I just sent you, by a tech writer at Wired. But you know better.
You Android fanboys need no facts whatsoever to say stupid shit. Whatever enjoy your Google Keylogger.
SteelCrow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:27:23 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's really this simple. Count the units sold. Pc vs apple. Apple had no real prescence in 98 as anything but a fringe computer for people who weren't tech savvy like artists and musicians. No one cared but them and the apple fanboys. The mainstream always was and will be pc. 4% market share in '98 means apple has zero influence.
No one's going to dump the earphone jack. We're all laughing at apple trying too hard to be relevant, and failing miserably. Apple tech is overpriced, emaciated boredom that makes a lot of noise then fades back into it's obcure little niche.
The iphone and only the iphone has kept the company afloat. But now they aren't the only game in town, nor are their self inflated opinions even important.
They've just shown the world they are as clueless as ever and just another tech company lerching from one mistake to the next. This is the start of them fading back into obscurity. There's too many other choices. Better choices.
Apple stock is dropping. Fast. Guess why?
TheOriginal_SamBell ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:50:19 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not that it's simple, it's that your a simpleton.
Apple had every engineer in the world scrambling to redesign their phones to ape the first iPhone before a single unit was ever sold.
Again: you Android fanboys have no need for facts to support your bullshit.
And when people vastly smarter than you buy their products, you tell yourself that it's a fashion statement, and these people are stupid. Ok,
then.
You're a stock market analyst now? You're going to connect Apple's stock to your inane opinion? You think I'm going to open yet another line of bullshit, where you tell yourself what Apple's stock has to do with your baseless position? Question: which one of us has stayed on point? That should give you a hint as to why you're hand waving about Apple's stock: you know you're full of shit somewhere in the recesses of that vacuous mind of yours.
It's fascinating how much you illustrate an offhanded remark by the psychologist Steven Pinker: people don't think on the basis of what's true. They draw conclusions based on what makes them feel good, what would make the world a better place if it was true, what it says about them when they think it.
The latter is the highest priority for you, clearly.
You know why comments like mine on Reddit are so rare? Because Mac users don't give a shit what you think.
They would only stop to wonder why I'm stopping to argue with one of they myriad Android fanboys with middling IQs on Reddit.
I guess it feels good to scratch the itch when people say brain-rottingly stupid shit, but still, they'd be right. Talking with someone who can utter the claim that Apple had "zero" influence when they released the original iMac without being profoundly embarrassed for himself is not so much satisfying as it is kind of sad. Even a little disturbing. Like watching someone standing there with a smile as they wet their pants.
Kashimir1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:19:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It really wasn't any worse than yours about the battery.
All keyboards, phones, watches and other devices use Bluetooth.
It means much more than a simple cable. For me, it means the ability to easily transfer data between my two phones using a flash drive and ability to use the same external keyboard with both phones. These needs aren't common, but having the main port in your device conform to a standard has countless benefits.
It isn't even about which port or protocol is better, it's about everyone being able to agree on what to use. Having less barriers between the products of different companies is obviously better for the end customer. Surely you have to agree, that the more devices you could connect to your iPhone the better.
TheOriginal_SamBell ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:19:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Right, including Apple. So your claim about Apple being anti-standards is bullshit.
So much stupidity in one thread.
Slayta ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:31:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Boo
jhayes88 ยท 81 points ยท Posted at 01:25:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking brilliant. Now make it in video form and put the clip on YouTube so everyone else can use the clip like it should be.
JohnPaulJonez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:20:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Troo
RolledUpMaxipad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:40:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or just save as a video because android
HumbleIcarus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:12:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or so it can be taken down from a copyright strike.
TheOriginal_SamBell ยท -19 points ยท Posted at 02:50:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But it'll be important to include a trigger warning, since Android fanboys will be scarred by the sight of a minuscule adapter attached to their headphone cable.
skoffs ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 04:24:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, why you so salty?
"Oh no, people like Android devices and dislike iPhones! I must rush to defend Apple's honor by calling them fanboys!"
TheOriginal_SamBell ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 04:30:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So you think that's a little silly? Good to hear it.
DaBearsMan_72 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:22:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They should hire you.
RedditDoneRight ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:02:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck you're prehistoric
ivoryisbadmkay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:23:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i was half expecting it to blow up
Donberakon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:44:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ur a containter of phlem
donnavan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:49:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Put it on youtube
UncreativeTeam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:50:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody would believe that. It's the old Google logo.
SoSpecial ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:18:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
With a caption "Android, it just works."
I_Fart_Liquids ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:35:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd buy that!
CopiesArticleComment ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:36:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Now make one where it explodes when you plug it in?
_KingOfCanada_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:37:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Android, we got your "jack"!
stevenmc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:06:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's the old Google logo.
barosa ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:59:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How do you sync it though?
On the mac air phones, you just have to charge the case, and then open the case, click sync on the phone, then find the button on the case, and then click that and then it's synced. Couldn't be any simpler, that's what the presenter assured me.
zvoidx ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:30:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
updated a bit:
http://i.imgur.com/wQ2WRPd.gif
[deleted] ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 01:52:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Minus Android phones eliminating it first
Downvoting facts Always very Reddit
CeReAL_K1LLeR ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:16:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Problem with that is Android isn't a singular unit... but, a bevy of manufacturers giving people choices. Might be why you're being downvoted.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 13:38:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nope ignorance
CeReAL_K1LLeR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:12:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You cry a lot about downvotes. LOL
Atomic-Bell ยท 291 points ยท Posted at 00:31:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How the fuck do you have 2 million karma!?!?!
[deleted] ยท 238 points ยท Posted at 00:40:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted]
Mirkon ยท 133 points ยท Posted at 01:23:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Gifstorian
Whiskycoke ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 02:53:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Gifstorian, Keeper of Memes.
LIKE_VJS_PM_ME_THEM ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:04:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One could assume he is a gilfstorian as well
NetworkingEnthusiast ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:17:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Gifstafarian
fackinH8loudpeople ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:16:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
that's like the old fool at my work he doesn't do shit but follow me around and tell me random ass stories non stop he will literally follow me into the restroom.
TheJeffreyLebowski ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:59:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
GOOD point!
LookingforBruceLee ยท 185 points ยท Posted at 01:32:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
First you must realize there is no karma, and then you can bend the karma.
kimmjongfun ยท 58 points ยท Posted at 02:48:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well you only have 4k comment karma. Why should I trust you?
Bosknation ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 03:21:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's still in the phase of realizing there is no karma.
Magnetronaap ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:00:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What karma?
Mr_Roblcopter ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:36:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's slow honest work for some of us.
iscovisco ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:39:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He is working towards step 1 ..
LEGO_Zelda ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:24:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because 4k is so in right now
LookingforBruceLee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:17:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Karma isn't real. I'm real.
spockspeare ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:11:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Last Karmabender.
BAMFndPI ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:46:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was always told karma is a bitch..........
IJustThinkOutloud ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 01:59:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You just have to go to /new, say what the reddit narrative wants to hear and watch as your karma increases because you got the thread first and said what everyone wanted to say, but were too slow, so they upvote you. Usually nets a few hundred unless it's a front page post at which point you get into the thousands.
PitchforkAssistant ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:46:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sorting by new isn't for everyone. If you want to browse newer posts with the worst of the worst filtered out, browse by top this hour.
IJustThinkOutloud ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:15:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nice tip I hadn't thought of doing that before
spockspeare ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:12:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But then you're an hour too late grokking the zeitgeist.
You need to strangle that fucker in his crib, first chance you get.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:35:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Look at his top posts per month. Collect a bunch of gifs and sort them well on your computer. Whenever you see an instance where one of them is even slightly relevant, throw it in. Gifs are the easiest way, much more so than text. Not hating on Donald btw, most karmawhores do this.
spockspeare ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:45:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Had to think about what you meant by "not hating on Donald" for a second there...then I got it. Because the other way doesn't make sense.
stevenmc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:08:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.reddit.com/user/Donald_Keyman/comments/?sort=top
42sthansr ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:46:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You live on reddit of course.
Onaimlos ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:35:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Here I am 4 years later and still have 100+
Noname_Maddox ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:49:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit right enough!
Sicfast ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:59:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why are so many of you chasing arbitrarity?
TheAddiction2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:34:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He posts gifs, a lot of gifs
spockspeare ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:44:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He uses his real name. That's always a draw.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:43:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Compound interest
Ransack505 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:44:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He has 21 thousand karma
Siegelski ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:01:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently he comments almost 100 times per day.
xFoeHammer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:11:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It can't be that hard. I mean, I've got ~100k comment karma and I really don't comment that much. And also most of my comments suck.
EndgameArchitecture ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:00:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have 100K on Imgur... On Reddit, I'm a hobo.
FroZnFlavr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:03:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
how bout the dude with 8 mil ):
pacoseventeen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:15:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His gif game is on point! Looking at his history, he clearly posts words too but whenever I see a gif battle or a great gif...there's a good chance Mr. Keyman is involved.
scalatons ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:33:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's tempting to try to build up a lot of karma and see how much you can lose with a single horribly insensitive shitpost
Fagsquamntch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:54:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you really want a lot of karma, you just comment at peak hours on rising posts. It has very little to do with the intelligence, importance, etc. of your actual comment itself.
pcteknishon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:03:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
what is karma and how do you get it? can i have some?
virtualpants2000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:17:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's an account that shall remain nameless that almost exclusively shit posts about anyone critical of Clinton being a literal Russian spy (not that I'm defending any candidate, but I don't think critics are literally spies for Putin or whatever), trolls incessantly, is banned from commenting in half the subs they post in, and is generally down voted into oblivion any time they comment in a sub that isn't for deeply disturbed trolls.
They have over 1 million karma. The longer I'm here, the more I see that the lunatics run the asylum.
saranshk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:53:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He gets them as donations
p5eudo_nimh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:41:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
1) Click username
2) Choose "top" from "sorted by" drop menu at upper left.
3) ???
4) Profit.
DoctorAwesomeBallz69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:38:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
HE'S DONALD FUCKING KEYMAN YOU PEASANT SHOULDNT YOU BE SHUFFLING DIRT IN YOUR NO NAME HOVEL WITH YOUR UNREMARKABLE WIFE AND SLIGHTLY BELOW AVERAGE NEVER-AMOUNT-TO-NOTHING CHILDREN? DONALD DOES WHAT HE WANTS CAUSE HE'S THE OPPOSITE OF YOU - HE ACTUALLY MATTERS. YOU MAKE ME AND DONALD KEYMAN SICK WHATEVER YOUR NAME IS.
patchgrabber ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:39:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
http://i.imgur.com/vrgTu5m.gifv
nitro1122 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:56:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
asking the important questions
personalcheesecake ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:35:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
it's fucking /u/Donald_Keyman
[deleted] ยท 334 points ยท Posted at 01:15:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Reminds me of that Playstation video reply to news the Xbox One can't share games.
SuddenlyCentaurs ยท 55 points ยท Posted at 01:58:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Video?
naturallyfrozen ยท 359 points ยท Posted at 02:01:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://youtu.be/kWSIFh8ICaA
The_Narrator_9000 ยท 155 points ยท Posted at 02:48:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably one of my favourite recent ads. Brutally savage just by being honest.
carnifex2005 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:51:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That day lost Microsoft the console war for this generation. What a colossal blunder.
Rejusu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:45:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lost the battle sure, the wars got a few more years in it though. They can and likely will recover. The PS3 launch was just as colossal a blunder if not more so (five hundred and ninety nine US dollars!) and it pulled it back to end the generation on more or less even footing with the 360. And before any accusations are made about my allegiances (by anyone) I'm primarily a PC gamer and have owned all four generations of PlayStation and zero Xboxs.
KlossN ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:43:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jokes on them I buy all my games digitally so I can't share them anyway... no wait
no1dead ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:38:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Recent lol. Kk let's keep that up now.
FlamingJesusOnaStick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:37:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Friend and I swap our games all the time
:Xbox one
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:31:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Xbox decided to do away with the DRM after the outrage it caused.
EndsInATangent ยท -35 points ยท Posted at 03:19:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honest?
Xbox had planned to have a share system similar to what Steam has.
People were just sad they couldn't sell their games
SoloKMusic ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 03:34:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No. People were mad they could not take their discs to other systems and be actually able to play those games.
EndsInATangent ยท -41 points ยท Posted at 03:59:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So?
That's what hard drives are for.
All of my Xbox games are on my hard drive. I can bring it to any console I want
SoloKMusic ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 04:06:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And short memories like yours are what those fools at Microsoft were relying on. The early announcement had the console on constantly active DRM mode, and game sharing required a 30-day Live friends requirement, among other conflicting news releases.
We're not talking about the machine as you know it, because even Microsoft listened to the backlash. Except you. You didn't, or forgot.
no1dead ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 04:37:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah it also let you share games with 10 people.
Oh let's not forget. Sony did the same thing. Just backed out last minute. They literally didn't have the day one update out when they announced that.
legayredditmodditors ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:40:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
not worth always online consoles
no1dead ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:57:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean I'm literally always online and the checks really only were every 24 hours. So whatever really.
i_lack_imagination ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:59:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well I guess if it works for you then it works for everyone else.
EndsInATangent ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:04:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How about, if it works for most people, why should we care about the very small minority that for some reason can't access the internet once every 24hrs.
But besides that, choosing a home Xbox console (like we have now) would solve that issue. You'd only need to have the checks if you were the one borrowing the game. Which seems like a fair trade.
i_lack_imagination ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:14:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Microsoft pulled the feature, no one else. Microsoft even said they may introduce it later, and apparently they haven't. No one was up in arms over being able to share with 10 people. Your insistence that it can still be done even without the always online restriction only reinforces that Microsoft doesn't want to do it, it says nothing about anyone criticizing the proposed always online functionality of the Xbox One. You keep bringing it up like it's the fault of everyone else, when it rests entirely on Microsoft's shoulders.
Also, how do you know "it works for most people"? Apparently it didn't sit well with enough people that Microsoft reversed it within something like a week of announcing it because they were afraid of losing sales.
You're also being extremely shortsighted to assume that always online only rests on your own connection. Always online DRM has a horrible reputation for a reason, because many developers/publishers have abused it and screwed over consumers by shutting down authentication servers while people are still playing their games, making the games unplayable. The original Xbox stopped being supported by Xbox Live in 2010, if it had always online DRM, it would functionally be a brick unless they released an update that turned off the DRM. Since you'll likely say that it doesn't matter because it's an old system that nobody played anymore, well that's again shortsighted of you. It's merely an example of how a console stopped receiving online support, whereas theoretically they could end support at any time for any reason. They would never do that you say? That's what everyone says when any always online DRM game gets shut down early. They'd never do it, until they do.
SoloKMusic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:42:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, let us remember all the sinners, not just one. Good point.
EndsInATangent ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 05:01:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I remember.
But we could have solved the DRM issue easily (with the home Xbox system we use now) without going back to discs.
The only issue with a diskless system is that you can't resell your game.
But even that could have been fixed with a fairly priced digital rental system
SoloKMusic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:09:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm in favor of discless systems. I game on the PC, and what you're describing seems oddly familar...
EndsInATangent ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 06:39:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly.
When was the last time someone bough a PC game in a box?!
Bunch of crybabies scared of change
JohnQAnon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:01:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except you can't. The motherboard and the hard drive are married to each other. They won't work with others.
no1dead ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:37:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They aren't married to each other. You can HD Swap with any drive and it'll work.
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 04:03:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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JohnQAnon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:06:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm talking about on the Xbox. And if you are using an external hard drive to play games, I'm sorry. Your load times must be atrocious.
Does the Xbox even let you install games on a external HD?
EndsInATangent ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:08:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have all my games on my External Hard Drive.
The only difference I've noticed in load times is maybe time to title screen. But even that is only a second or two.
They work perfectly.
But even if you hate that, just make a copy of all your games to your HDD, then bring that HDD to your friend's and copy them to his Xbox.
Viola. Now your friend has a copy of all the games, you have a copy of all the games, and you have a back up on your HDD.
Now anytime you go to a friend's house, just sign in to your profile and play your games.
Or better yet! Make your friend's console your "home" console and make your console his "home"
Now any game either of you buy, you both get! Say hello to $30 games on release day.
Xbox One has a superior platform in almost every way that was severely hurt by the poor marketing before launch
jollyollyman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:40:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Who really wants to carry a hard drive everywhere?
EndsInATangent ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:56:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Who wants to carry 20 discs everywhere?
My hard drive is much more convenient.
Plus, since games make you download even with a disc, my hard drive is faster
Masterpicker ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:47:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why would I carry 20 discs? I need few to play with.
EndsInATangent ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:59:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because you don't know what your friends will feel like playing?
i_lack_imagination ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 03:54:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They were intentionally vague the entire time about the details of the sharing system though. The vagueness in combination with the other restrictions that they were attempting to introduce seemed pretty shady. They didn't detail how the sharing feature would work, and it was only after they canned it that they would even start to release details of how it would supposedly have worked, but at that point they could say whatever they wanted because it was already scrapped.
legayredditmodditors ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:39:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Uh, people don't like always online for single player.
EndsInATangent ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:56:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That wasn't what I was talking about, and yeah that was an issue. But one that easily could be solved with the home Xbox system we have now
legayredditmodditors ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:34:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But the online requirements make it 100% NOT like steam.
RicaRicaRemix ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:32:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes honest
legayredditmodditors ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:39:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe microsoft will get it the next time around.
yourawesome247 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:54:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
damn
rememberthatactually ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:42:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ohhhhhh noooo he didntttt.
SuddenlyCentaurs ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:11:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Rofl
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:32:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Straight savage
Feraligatre ยท -15 points ยท Posted at 02:52:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ok but you didn't see Microsoft take a shit on Sony today after the PS NEO turned out to be meh af.
https://twitter.com/Xbox/status/773608657007280128
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:03:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't say the Neo was "meh". The lack of 4K Bluray is very unfortunate, but beyond that you'd be paying $350 for an equivalent Xbox One S 1TB. An extra $50 for what the PS4 Pro offers is very enticing to people who haven't picked a console camp yet.
Really, the PS4 Slim is the weird one.
maxiimus1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:47:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit what? Sony, the ones that made the original Console/BluRay player? Damn.
siegewolf ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:22:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
When did the Xbox get The Last of Us, Bloodborne, and Uncharted 4?
Oh...they didn't. I've been using my xbox one as a glorified emulator. The only titles I own are the halo collection that came with the console and Rare Replay. The PS4...well I have The Last of Us, Bloodborne, and Uncharted 4
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:37:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was a massive Xbox fan and I regret getting my Xbox One.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:10:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
How's that even antagonistic in any way? The PS4 Slim has better games, is smaller and does HDR for the same price. Only thing it's missing is 4K bluray.
Goldy84 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:21:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Better games is entirely subjective.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:25:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly, just like how "Greatest Games" is very subjective in the Xbox tweet.
Dan_Ugore ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 02:04:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same, That was godlike. Sony destroyed that conference.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 04:04:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One of my favorite goddamn E3 conferences of all time. The total smugness, laughter and applause from the crowd each time the Sony presenters would bring up how they were doing what the Xbox wasn't was palpable. It was total annihilation.
Rejusu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:52:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was especially hilarious because of what a role reversal it was from the E3 when they revealed the PS3. This time it was Sony who had their shit together while Microsoft lost the plot. I honestly don't know how MS screwed it up so badly. Did they look at that past E3 and say "yeah we want to emulate Sony on this one"?
fullforce098 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:55:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking scorched earth. Best E3 ever.
zombiekamikaze ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 02:39:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That was such a good burn I wouldn't be surprised to find out it was the main reason the Xbox team decided to drop that bullshit policy.
ChaseballBat ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 03:26:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol it's wasn't even true tho.... So I would definitely be surprised if that ad was what caused then to get rid of it.
Rejusu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:57:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
True or not it didn't matter. The truth is less relevant than what customers think is true. And because Microsoft did such an atrocious job of communicating details about the Xbox One (especially in relation to its DRM features) often contradicting themselves on the matter they left themselves open to being stung by propaganda like this.
zombiekamikaze ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:02:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How so? If you mean it is/was more complicated than that to share games on PS4... well, I was unaware. I haven't made the leap into PS4 territory yet and didn't pay as close of attention to their initial conferences as I have a heavy preference for Xbox.
If you mean it wasn't true on the Xbox side, it didn't have to be. I know their initial policy allowed for sharing games, but it required more than just handing the disc to someone and had restrictions, which confused and/or upset a lot of the fan base. Then the conflicting comments and answers by various members of the team only made it worse.
ChaseballBat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:15:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Basically from how I understand it, it was like how steam shares it's games. The only reason people hated it cause there would be no more physical copies and you couldn't sell your games to a third party store (like to gamestop for credit).
zombiekamikaze ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:39:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except physical copies were still a thing from the start. If memory serves the problem was that each disc was tied to an account, you could only lend the game to a certain number of people, it was up to the developers/publishers to decide how much of the game someone borrowing it could play, and the resale value of discs would be driven down by the fact the the store or the next person to buy the game would essentially have to buy back the original lisence from MS. Now bits of that could be a bit off because, as I said, there were a lot of conflicting answers being given around that time.
MrGMinor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:01:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Now Microsoft is completely open for an opportunity to get back at them. Show someone inserting a UHD blu-ray and say "Xbox Exclusive".
retardcharizard ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:07:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It can... And the original plan even included sharing digital games.
Now that second feature is gone because the Internet decided to run with a stupid idea instead of thinking first.
Kind of like what's happening now.
Blues27Xx ยท 172 points ยท Posted at 01:42:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Reminds me of this gem from Sony in response to the used game DRM scandal before the Xbone and PS4 release.
I wouldn't be surprised to see something similar from Google when they release their next flagship.
YipRocHeresy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:10:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't get it. Please explain.
muzakx ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 03:44:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Microsoft was planning to include "Used Game DRM" on their console. Essentially locking a physical disc copy to the first system it is inserted into. There was a huge uproar in the gaming community.
Sony capitalized on the situation. They issued a statement that they were not planning to add anything like that to the PS4, and followed it up with the video posted above.
Microsoft back pedaled, and retracted their plans for the "Used Game DRM".
uss1701jb ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 05:47:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This was at E3 too, so this was literally made in a few hours before the Sony event
YouGotCalledAFaggot ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 09:57:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
DRM would have been fucking fantastic too. Idc if idiots who cant think critically downvote me.
Rejusu ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:11:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The merits of a system like the one MS wanted to introduce are understandable in theory. And yes many people refused to think critically and see those merits, but naturally those seeing the merits often refused to see the downsides too. I think you're giving your own critical thinking skills too much credit though if you trusted Microsoft to implement a DRM system that benefitted the end user when the impression they gave was that they had no clear idea how such a system would work.
The fact there was DRM wasn't the problem with what they were trying to do, it was their inability to communicate a clear vision of it.
Ayoza ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:05:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'll bite. What's your point of view?
YouGotCalledAFaggot ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:26:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can't go to in depth cause I need to leave for class. But games would have been cheaper to buy new. Game developers wouldn't be struggling so bad and going under left and right(maybe I would've gotten a Darksiders 3...). And they had a family feature where you could put 10 people into a group and if one person in the group has the game, everyone in the group can share it.
Mooseman9 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:06:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you think that would have made AAA game developers release anything under $60, think again. Why lower their profits if people will still buy the product anyways? Except now, every idiot will have to get it, effectively making them even more money. It was an awful move on Microsoft's part.
Fgtfv567 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:55:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Samsung joked about it during the note 7 reveal and Google might do the same for the Pixel phones in early October
Sasswell ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:17:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This was before the iPhone was even released and it's happened.. Oneplus also took a pop on facebook
https://youtu.be/DDK5EmOtokI
zappa325 ยท 69 points ยท Posted at 23:09:10 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can forget the eye identification thing. We have a state of the art headphone jack! Beat that, Apple!
spockspeare ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:46:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eye spy with my little ear....
Trazac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:23:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The galaxy note 7 has an iris scanner.
Bachklamk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:05:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Microsoft Lumia 950 had it first.
mmmje11o ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:38:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not Moto Z
Wookie301 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:40:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey we have headphones too - Windows Phone
scag315 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:32:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well....Not Motorolla since they removed it first on the new Moto Z that's been out....
ASmallRiceBag ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:03:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
OnePlus is marketing their new phone (the OnePlus 3) by saying it's got a very nice 3.5mm audio jack that works perfectly.
And, well, theyre not lying. It's definitely one of the better sounding phones out there.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:33:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like Samsung should do this because they are usually pretty direct about taking on the iPhone in their ads, but knowing them they will probably just copy Apple and also get rid of the headphone jack on their phones too.
KlaatuBrute ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:55:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Samsung already joked about it at the Galaxy Note 7 announcement, IIRC. They'll for sure tout it, the same way they do expandable memory and LG does with swappable batteries. If people continue to make it known they want a 3.5mm jack, plenty of manufacturers that aren't Apple will continue to include them.
lagspike ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:44:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
remember when apple used to mock pc's for being out of touch?
yeah, this would be the perfect time for that kind of advertising.
monkeybrain3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They should just play the gif from OP in the background while this guy is in the front.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your iphone doesn't have an audio jack? Droid does.
chipwithdip ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:58:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because there are android phones getting rid of the headphone jack too
http://mashable.com/2016/07/23/killing-headphone-jack-sucks/#A65JRRigMOqM
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:13:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Arkajion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:32:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is Apple we're talking about, if everyone wasn't rich, they wouldn't be able to do their yearly cash grab.
FunstuffQC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:16:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Playstation did something like this lol
JaredBanyard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:23:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except for the first Android phone ever.
mrbooze ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:24:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They could also show a guy listening to music while using his horse to pull a plow.
dbx99 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:27:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Even Steve Wozniak urged against dropping the earphone jack.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:30:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Worked for playstation when xbox decided to take a shit all over their customers at the beginning of this gen... probably going to play out the same way too
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:42:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Goes completely fine with "together, not the same" like usual
entheogeneric ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:47:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The new click bait, circling on Apple
BigBoyCawk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:54:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also exclusive to Android, exploding devices.
SexyMrSkeltal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:12:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't worry, Samsung will remove the audio jack with their next phone, then put it back in with the following release praising it as innovation just as they did with the SD slot.
whowantscake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:26:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Followed by an explosion right?
warchitect ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:02:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
basically is now...
asng ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:51:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm not when a lot of Android flagships in 2017 ship without 3.5mm ports.
harleyaston ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:19:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Reminds me of Playstation fucking with XBoX when Microsoft said their console wouldn't allow friends to share discs, then Sony came out with that advertisement of sharing discs being easy.
mycousinvinny99 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:07:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean they do have wireless headphones these days... But I know most of us probably don't have the money to buy wireless headphones so iPhone is being really stupid. Just wait, iPhone is going to release some wireless headphone thing now.
Delkomatic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:51:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
add this into the Droid Does campaign and bring that shit back! I really enjoyed the Droid Does campaign.
hardypart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:02:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It already is.
treeradical ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:03:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but google is going to stop development of android
dsummo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:21:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
because Android is manufacturing the phones yea right
drgonzo67 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:30:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Android is an OS, not a phone/tablet. The hardware specs are up to the manufacturers of the latter, not the former.
Vesane ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:46:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As an ad, it should have a shot of the 3.5 jack going in while thousands of different compatible phones cycle through the spot where the jack is entering. Same on the other side with the micro-usb charger.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:12:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
or windows phone
Huwbacca ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:30:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How do you find time to reddit so much whilst managing Everton?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:22:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Droid does
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:27:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The moto z got rid of it and nobody bitched at all. Reddit is weird sometimes.
Bachklamk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:03:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"The only thing going for it!"
choozyapa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:05:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
and Microsoft/Nokia, and many others.... try again.
apawst8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:52:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except it's not true. At least one Android phone already got rid of the headphone jack (Moto Z).
The selling point of Android is the variety of compatible products, not the sameness of it, a la Apple.
Benolio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:50:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have the tagline sorted:
Still refusing to treat people like mugs, maybe a bit evil
msch6873 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:14:38 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
not do sure... htc ditches the jack too
Tim__Donaghy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:24:45 on December 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not for Samsung
sulaymanf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:40:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But it wouldn't be accurate, iPhones still work with headphone jacks, theres even an adaptor in the box
rhoran2 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:45:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like we are witnessing the fall of the iPhone and it will be comparable to the fall of Rome.
embrex104 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:21:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Android: Jack on, don't jack off.
GreyFox860 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:26:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except the last 2 out of 3 Flagship Android phones don't have a headphone jack....
mlivebc ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:40:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's going to be amusing to revisit this thread in 2-3 years when all the Android OEMs are releasing phones without headphone jacks.
ofrance ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:22:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
God people are stupid as fuck..
AUKEY Bluetooth Receiver, Audio Music Adapter with Hands-free Calling for iPhone, Samsung and More https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00O8FYUJA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_4lq0xbW0HJD08
sliverr828 ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 01:32:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For the two months until most phone makers drift away from the impractical 3.5 millimeter jack.
JPJones ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:33:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What about every other device that utilizes the standard? The 3.5 mm jack is an existing standard that smart phones adopted.
sliverr828 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:51:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's been the standard for a lot longer than smartphones have been around. I'm sure some will continue to have a 3.5 mm jack, but most are going to ditch it within the next year or two for the same reasons Apple did. It takes up space, and we have other ways of connecting our headphones to devices.
JPJones ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:57:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You say "most are" like you know. Is there some source we're all missing here or are you speculating?
sliverr828 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:30:07 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Complete speculation. But, why wouldn't they? Phone manufacturers have likely been thinking about getting rid of the traditional headphone jack for years. Headphones will likely just either move to Bluetooth or a USB connected headphones for those like myself that don't need/want wireless headphones.
[deleted] ยท 1923 points ยท Posted at 01:35:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
The whole "cordless" push Apple has been trying to enforce is just making me buy more cords. I can't tell you how many adapters I had to buy for the new "cordless" MacBook.
Sir-Knightly-Duty ยท 1209 points ยท Posted at 02:24:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I find the removal of the USB ports absolutely ridiculous. In what way is the USB port obsolete? I use it EVERY DAY for multiple devices! Now I need to get a bunch of adapters? And if I want to charge my computer while also using 2 or more USB ports, I need to get a bunch of adapters that plug into one another creating a chain of adapters. And if I also want to plug my computer into my HD screen? Fking forget about it.
vanburensupernova ยท 879 points ยท Posted at 03:17:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They removed usb ports? Jesus
venounan ยท 540 points ยท Posted at 03:20:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah the new macbook has only a single USB type C connector. For charging, data, everything.
colecf ยท 572 points ยท Posted at 03:42:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ironically, it actually also has a headphone jack that was just removed on the iPhone.
l3lC ยท 328 points ยท Posted at 03:56:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Give it a few months
catrpillar ยท 164 points ยท Posted at 04:12:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What, is it going to disappear off my macbook? That's messed.
lachlanhunt ยท 147 points ยท Posted at 04:47:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't worry, apple will either replace it with a lightning port, or else sell you USB-C headphones. Because who on earth wants headphones they can use with both their phone and laptop?
Dr_Prampbert_Bastion ยท 394 points ยท Posted at 04:58:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For a truly sleek and magical experience, Apple will be streamlining the macbook by removing the clunky screen, keyboard, internals, and housing. Indistinguishable from air itself, the new macbook unleashes the power of imagination as you pretend you are using a laptop. Unenlightened Android users will insist we sold you an empty cardboard box, but that's just because Android can't capture that Apple magic.
[deleted] ยท 75 points ยท Posted at 06:18:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like you should have thrown a "truly innovative" or something in there.
lkodl ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 08:30:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
he did. you must not be reading from the newest macbook.
jaredjeya ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:36:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Courage"
[deleted] ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 07:13:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Emperor's New Apple Device
cackling_fiend ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 08:46:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And it's called MacBook Air.
Deltamon ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 08:07:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And still it costs 499$
KristinnK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:47:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
FTFY.
Deltamon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:53:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Man.. Now that you put it in that way, getting such a jewel with under 500 bucks, what a bargain.
Jackker ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:47:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, don't go giving them any ideas!
chipmandal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:16:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
obviously.. ideally you wouldn't have a screen and keyboard. Its a temporary hack until we come up with something better.
labdweller ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:43:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
-- new Apple Air
tri4it ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:30:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BnLbv6QYcA
Zilveari ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:08:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What's next? Removal of the ports and input devices from the Humancentipad?
deknegt1990 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:11:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jokes on them, I only bought it for the box anyways!
WhosFamousNotMe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:07:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This could have been straight out of a MadTV skit
naanplussed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:35:40 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They could be MLM or Scientology at this point.
It works!
ztelemetry ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 07:01:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If I had money I would gild this.
geeeeh ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 04:57:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you buy an iPhone 7 and have a MacBook, you'll need to use a 3.5mm to lightning adapter to use normal headphones on an iPhone, and a lightning to 3.5mm adapter to use your new lightning earbuds on your laptop.
Gone are the days of one pair of headphones for everything. Unless you go wireless...in which case, enjoy your degraded audio quality and have fun keeping track of battery life.
5amy ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 05:11:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or you know, stay away from Apple products.
xeromage ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:46:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
correctest answer
incompetentmillenial ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:14:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I like to think of Apple products as the 'consoles' of their respective categories. iPhone is to Android as a console is to a PC
edit: A
Eric_Shang ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:40:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They own beats now. All beats will come with only the new lightning port
jmbtrooper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:50:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or sell you a blanking plug for $50.
Zygt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:26:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They will sell you USB-C to analog and analog to lightning. All for the low low price of $99
just_comments ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:35:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not likely actually. Audio engineers need it.
FamilyHeirloomTomato ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:53:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It will happen. They will sell it with a thunderbolt to audio jack adapter just like the phone.
just_comments ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:00:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've been listening to the tech world. The lack of audiojack on the new phone is not really a surprise. I can see them removing it from the small macbooks, but definitely not the pros.
FamilyHeirloomTomato ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:55:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People said that about the phone, too. Just wait and see. I believe it will happen.
derpdeladerp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:15:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Those software updates will get you every time
fuckusnowman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:27:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They'll release an update that will remove it.
JonnyLay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:14:45 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, you agreed to the terms and conditions, you should know this better than anyone human iCatrpillar
Rapes_modz_gently ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 05:02:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like I found a hipster.
hexane360 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:18:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"We've pushed our a software update that disables your headphone jack. Sucks to suck.
-Apple"
krebstar_2000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:14:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BnLbv6QYcA
Lolwhatisfire ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:07:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, they removed headphone jacks from iPhones? How does one listen to music with it, telepathy?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:09:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
lightning-to-3.5mm adapter (included with phone), or AirPods ($159).
ghettojaaack ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:12:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why not just leave the port in and not give everyone a dongle? Stupid fucking move by apple
tonyrocks922 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:13:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How do you listen to music while it's charging?
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:20:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You Don't.โข
© Apple
Lolwhatisfire ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:17:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. I have an iPhone 6 so I'm not really in the best position to bash Apple, but no headphone jack? How is this even good design. Sounds like the definition of inconvenient.
cerealkiller30 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:20:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Good design for them cause it makes them more money
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:33:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably a multi-dongle like the new macbook has for usb-c. I only charge at night so if I were offered the ability to trade my 3.5mm port for IP67 water resist and a bigger battery, I'd do it. I probably won't get the 7 though because I don't want that large of a screen.
cubictortoise ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:27:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At the rate they're slimming down you'll soon be buying the MacBook iPad โข
Rand_alThor_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:24:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The point is the headphone jack is the thickest part.
And honestly everyone cried like this and made fun of apple when they removed the CD tray too.
Kaizerina ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:19:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They removed the headphone jack??? What a bunch of effing morons. I've hated Apple since the late 90s, and all the Apple fanboys and girls have been driving me nuts ever since. Now I have.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rlqjIYpmIo
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 03:42:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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ProllyJustWantsKarma ยท -15 points ยท Posted at 03:49:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not for people who use computers like you do, though.
Realistically, most people won't have to charge, charge a device through USB, mirror their screen through cables (AirPlay works pretty well, actually), or plug in a flash drive all at the same time. It's not for high-power users, it's for a person who wants a small, light computer for personal use.
[deleted] ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 03:51:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Realistically, most people will have to charge, charge a device through USB, and plug in a flash drive all at the same time.
ProllyJustWantsKarma ยท -21 points ยท Posted at 03:53:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
โฆNot really.
A power user, sure.A person who just uses their computer casually (i.e. most people) would not.Edit For the responses below:
Most students, in my experience at least, would use a cloud service like Google Drive. Apple also says the battery lasts 10 hours, which would mean that if you needed to charge your phone from your laptop, you wouldn't have to have it also plugged in.
Is it ideal? No, I don't think so and personally I wouldn't buy one. But I wouldn't discount it just because I use my computer differently.
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 03:55:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, lets take a typical use case. A student is at a school or college with their laptop. They are sitting in the library. They will want to charge their laptop, charge their cellphone and store their homework on a thumb drive. This student is a power user?
avkid6345 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:00:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apple's logic... Why use old technology like a thumb drive when there's iCloud to store your homework and access it from your phone or browser.
ProllyJustWantsKarma ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:08:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Personally I use Google Drive, but yeah, in effect. The cloud has always been much more convenient for me than a physical medium. If you don't think that, sure, that's fine, the MacBook's just probably not for you.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:01:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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ProllyJustWantsKarma ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:09:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think power user was the right term, but someone who uses their computer casually and doesn't rely on it for work and such could probably get by with one port.
Hinari ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:59:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know, if you imagine a highschool girl who will only use the laptop for Instagram and Microsoft Word, using the flash drive for schoolwork while also trying to charge her laptop + phone at the same time doesn't seem like a stretch. I wouldn't call her a power user.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 03:55:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is ridiculous. So now a power user is someone who needs to charge AND use a USB stick? Whoooah, what nerds.
ahyeg ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:57:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
the first step is denial
ProllyJustWantsKarma ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:00:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't have a MacBook, nor would I buy one. But not everyone needs that many ports.
Minerex ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:00:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You now have to define casual.
I'm just a researcher and I always have the need of using multiple usb ports. Heck, my wireless mouse receiver is permanently fixed to one.
ProllyJustWantsKarma ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:06:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Right. I guess "power user" wasn't the best term, but most laptop users don't consider a wireless mouse a necessity.
Like I said, though, I wouldn't buy this.
JohnQAnon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:02:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What about someone with a wireless mouse, because they hate the trackpad? Or someone who wants to plug in their iPod/iPhone to the laptop?
Or any usage whatsoever while the thing is plugged in.
ProllyJustWantsKarma ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:04:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bluetooth? But if you refuse to use the trackpad I don't see why you'd get it in the first place.
JohnQAnon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:08:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because bluetooth is soooooo secure! /s
But seriously, logitech wireless mice. Little USB nub. I'm not buying a new godamn mouse just because Apple decides to fuck shit up.
ProllyJustWantsKarma ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:11:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Right. And the MacBook isn't for everyone. Like I said, if you can think of a commonplace scenario for you in which it would be impossible to accomplish whatever you want to accomplish without multiple portsโฆ the MacBook's not for you. Plain and simple.
JohnQAnon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:13:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But the Macbook should be for most people. It's a mass product, not a niche little thing. And most people are going to have problems with it.
ProllyJustWantsKarma ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:15:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not, though. The MacBook line, I'd say, is for everyone, but not the plain MacBook. The MacBook Air would be better for most users -- I'm a software engineer and it's my daily driver. No complaints, honestly.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:06:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No see the problem is it's for almost no one. The kind of person that has a use for such a simplified device doesn't need a retina screen or a 1200$ price tag. The macbook would make a lot of sense as a budget device at 699 with a normal res screen but it's current use case doesn't match its feature set. Everyone, myself included, wanted a retina air, not this thing. Apple doesn't want to cut into pro sales though. Apple has completely lost the plot. They are supposed to be about simple elegance. Dongles are neither of those. On a related note and further proof that they have lost it, where the hell are the new macbooks?
komali_2 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:53:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So, no developer, which is a huge chunk of macbook owners. Just step into an SF cafe, bunch of JS programmers on macbooks.
and me on my surface pro
ProllyJustWantsKarma ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:56:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think you're missing something. There's MacBook the line, which includes the MacBook Air and the MacBook Pro, both of which have the full lineup of ports. The Air I'm using right now has a power socket, two USB 3 ports (one on each side), a 3.5mm audio jack, a Thunderbolt port, and an SD card reader. One of those are what you'd buy if you needed ports and/or higher specs.
Then there's MacBook the singular computer, which is what we're all talking about. It's this, and it's the one that only has a USB-C and 3.5mm jack.
komali_2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:54:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh what lol I can't keep track of this.
RedCentreRat ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:54:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So pretty much a dodgy smart tv, I could not justify the waste of cash.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 03:54:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. For the average user everything can be backed up on the cloud. I'm in college and don't even have a usb drive anymore. Google drive has everything I need. If you need more ports don't get the damned computer.
thisvideoiswrong ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:06:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Why would you ever trust the cloud with anything you care about? The only safe storage is storage you control, just look at how many stories there are of valuable data getting accidentally wiped by service technicians, and you want to trust drives you can't even see? Plus, what happens the ~30% of the time when you don't have internet access? That's on a good day, mind you, not one where something actually crashes. And you're counting on everything you want to interface with having full access too. As a grad student I'm transferring tons of research data with a computer that doesn't have any internet at all, and when the site to upload lab reports on fails I'm pulling out my flash drives again for the undergrads to put their files on. Get yourself some flash drives, and an external hard drive in case your computer crashes, otherwise you're just setting yourself up for disaster.
cyberyear2016 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:44:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
what year are you living in where you aren't connected 24/7.
have fun when your android phone explodes and takes out your apartment and grad project with it.
probably should have gotten with the times and sprung for some cloud storage.
thisvideoiswrong ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:28:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Um, 2016? The year when everyone is still complaining about the cost of home internet and mobile data is through the roof, if you can find it? Even on a college campus the wifi drops out between buildings, when you leave, forget it.
I can't say I'm particularly worried about my year old phone blowing up, I wouldn't be that worried even if it was new and a Samsung, but I rarely go anywhere without my laptop so I'd have a copy even if my apartment did burn down. Meanwhile, one unlucky maintenance glitch at any of a half dozen points in the chain and you're in big trouble.
Shmeves ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:32:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean it will sort of force USB C as the standard quicker, which isn't a bad thing.
Seems kinda early though to totally do without a USB A port.
nilesandstuff ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 03:37:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thats the only good defense ive heard for that...
But if you want to force a new standard... you have to have it ADD functionality, not lose it.
So in my opinion, that decision was made so chargers, cords, and such wouldnt be compatible... thus making icloud and adapters more necessary to purchase.
If they wanted to encourage a new standard, they'd get rid of the ridiculous "lightning" cord, and use type-c for their phones.
And that, folks, is why more Galaxy s7's were sold than iPhones. (Samsung was admittedly slow, but their next phone will certainly have type-c... the note 7 did, but lets not talk about that)
Namika ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:34:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For the life of me, I can't understand why the MacBooks charge with USB-C (something normally only for charging phones), and then their phones charge with a proprietary port (which is how most laptops around the world charge, via custom made charing cables). Hmm, Apple, I think you might have mixed up your engineering teams, the USB C was supposed to charge the phone...
Oh, but it's okay, their phones also come with headphones that use the Lightning Port for audio... but their computers all still have standard audio jacks. So someone who fully commits to the Apple ecosystem now has to carry two sets of headphones and two different chargers and charging cables even though one of them is USB C...
Shmeves ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:59:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yes, the way they've gone about this isn't very practical or efficient.
But with time most things will have the USB C port. Might even be possible to power entire Monitors or Tv's with that one cord, as well as passing the Video data AND USB data lines.
I feel like they shouldn't have done without the USB A just yet.
nilesandstuff ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:52:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like you just told me a heartwarming bed time story.
I'll sleep good tonight.
selflesslyselfish ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:56:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They added the Thunderbolt port and it didn't force the standard.
nilesandstuff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:50:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because intel designed it;)
Mad_Hatter_Bot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:49:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What happened to USB B?
Shmeves ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:57:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
USB A is the standard for what usually is the 'home' device being used. Like a PC. It's the Square plug.
USB B is the printer cable looking thing. It has variations, Micro, Mini, USB 3.0 additions, etc.
USB C is the newest standard. One plug that simplifies the standard.
In case you actually wanted to know.
mr_bubby ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:55:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
USB B is the squarish printer cable
BabiesSmell ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:00:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
USB-B was that shitty square plug that was only used on printers for some reason and some other odd peripherals.
Apparently micro and mini USB were also technically micro and mini USB-B.
raptor102888 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:31:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The type of port is not the issue here. No one has anything against USB C. The issue is with the laptop having only one port, which is just idiocy. If they must push USB C, they should just include two USB C ports.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:18:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What in fuck's name? My 2013 MBP feels limited with only 2 USB ports. I regularly use a second monitor, two USB devices (headphones, personal fan), and get annoyed that I can't plug my phone in without unplugging something else.
If I had the new MacBook I would be pissed off.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:00:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then stick with the Pro line. I don't know why people are complaining about something they had control over buying. Only the new Macbook has the single USB-C, and it's all about portability (thing is stuffed with batteries). If you're the type to use multiple USB devices frequently, then you'd stick with an Air or Pro.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:14:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ah okay I wasn't aware of that. Thanks.
NLight7 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:31:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At least it's a universal type of cable and not their own bs hipster cable port.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:50:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At least they actually used a standardized port for once. Credit where credit's due.
Now, why the fuck they thought a single port was sufficient for a laptop will never make sense to me, but, hey, at least that single port is compatible with things that aren't also shitty apple products.
venounan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:25:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
True. I'd have been perfectly happy with three or four of them.
komali_2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:52:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What the fuck, you can't even plug your computer in with an external mouse? or external harddrive? Or while charging your phone? The stupidity is mind boggling. I might as well fucking carry around a kindle fire for how useless such a laptop would be.
Paril101 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:49:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Only one..? I feel like they shouldn't have skimped on the number at least.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:56:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If only other device manufacturers would catch the fuck up and give a fucking 3.1 port hub.
m0rogfar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:13:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, that's insane.
I can kind of understand switching to USB-C because it's a newer and better format, but only having one plug for everything is just stupid.
AngryGardenSalad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:27:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sooo what happened to lightning?
Rowdy10 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:13:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lightning / 9-pin hasn't ever been on Mac iirc. Just iOS.
Maybe thinking of thunderbolt?
conel0rd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:40:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is absolutely rediculous. I still find myself wanting a disc drive in mine from time to time, but 1 port for everything? How is that more useful than multiple ports to do multiple things at once?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:58:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
that's incredible. you have to eject anything youre using once the battery starts dying, and then cant use it again until the battery is charged up to a halfway-decent amount where you can unplug it again for awhile? Repeat repeat repeat ad nauseum?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:13:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The pro still has 2.
venounan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:25:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but the pro hasn't been updated for like three product cycles right?
Flyingwheelbarrow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:59:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
madness!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:45:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why does it use USB amd not whatever apple use? Or the magnetic thing
Zilveari ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:07:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
USB C? It's not some new proprietary Lightning Super Ultra Mega port version 2.409.466.435? Eac adapter and cord for it costs $50-$543782?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:24:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What? 1 USB?
SilverNeptune ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:41:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What USB drives use C for data?
venounan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Really none currently. In order to use a USB type A connector you need to get a hub that plugs into the USB type C port on the computer. Which you pretty much have to do if you want to charge and use/do anything else at the same time.
PearlClaw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:42:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ironically in light of this recent move it also has a 3.5mm jack.
the_rabid_beaver ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:51:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh god, what bunch of idiots. STOP BUYING THEIR PRODUCTS SHEEPLE!
Vomahl_Dawnstalker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:40:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a Linux user I never heard of something so stupid. But they did it anyways. It's like Apple forgot how useful and fast flash memory was and decided wasteful & inconvenient wireless was the most clever thing ever.
ProllyJustWantsKarma ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 03:49:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Reposting a comment I made above:
thisvideoiswrong ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:17:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're basically defining a "high-power user" as an English Lit student who does their schoolwork on their laptop. That's a tad unrealistic.
ProllyJustWantsKarma ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:22:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, if they don't make use of the cloud, I don't think the MacBook is for them. They'd probably want the Air anyway, even considering just the screen size.
thisvideoiswrong ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:36:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would never, ever let myself be dependent on cloud storage for presentations. I'm severely uncomfortable with the fact that my Alienware only has HDMI and DisplayPort output, and keep debating shelling out for an adapter, even though I do have a second laptop that has the VGA. Actually, it looks like the adapters have come down since I checked a few years ago, so I'll probably get one soon.
AnneBancroftsGhost ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:01:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Talk to a twelve year old and see the future. Power users are becoming the norm and it's only going to be more and more the case. Apple may be banking on the ultimately smaller demographic with this one.
ProllyJustWantsKarma ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:05:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed. I'd say it's small, but I wouldn't discount that it exists, which reddit seems to be doing.
just_comments ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:36:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Like 6 months ago.
Off the macbook air (now just macbook)
The macbook pro still has USB, and probably will for at least another decade, unless USB 3 starts to really suck
Say-no-more ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:46:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BnLbv6QYcA
slytherinwitchbitch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:18:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
and I thought my life was hard cuz my ASUS doesn't have a disk drive.
atakomu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:23:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There is a funny video about the reason for that from Apple engineer :)
LeLoLaLu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:09:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is for the 12" Macbook, which is ridiculously small and thin. I don't like it either, but the other macbooks have multiple usb ports, although no USB-C yet. I doubt they will limit those to one port when the new one comes out.
OakLegs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:11:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
WHY DO PEOPLE CONTINUE TO PAY APPLE OUT THE ASS FOR OBJECTIVELY INFERIOR PRODUCTS?
BlueLaserCommander ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:12:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus, they removed usb ports?
HALPERTLOL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be clear, just on the macbook. The macbook pro still has 2 USB ports (and others).
TheEternal21 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:27:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHZ8ek-6ccc
Deroni76 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:33:47 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No fucking way.
patrickfatrick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:39:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's kind of the schtick of the Macbook though. It's intended to be incredibly thin and incredibly light. If you know you need ports then don't buy it, there are other Mac models to choose from that do have ports. Macbook Pros are always going to have ports.
I own a Pro, but honestly maybe I've just really bought into the cloud and streaming services more than your average person but I basically never use any of the ports except the HDMI port, and that's pretty rare.
NAUGHTY_GIRLS_PM_ME ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:52:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Steve used to show a vision for future, spend a year marketing it for market acceptability, then kill old standard.
Cook kills the standard first, then hope people call it futuristic.
WastedPotato ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:42:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Chromebook did too. Although the vast majority of MacBooks still have USB. There are different models.
Severase ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 03:21:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't buy a stupid product that is limiting you before it's even out of the box
hanoian ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 03:49:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But so many people will.. And they will "adapt" or whatever and not mind one bit.
Throwaway_Consoles ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:46:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm preordering the second it comes out. I haven't used a 3.5mm jack since before 2010, so this change is a positive one for me.
Doxbox49 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:22:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As long as you don't complain about it after you buy it like these idiots
deej852 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:13:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. He has a great point on the stupid removal of USB ports. Then again, he was dumb enough to buy the product so I'm not sure what he's complaining about
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:01:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, he bought a device that is all about portability (it's stuffed with batteries and isn't for people who frequently connect USB devices). Just stick with the Air or Pro lines, don't complain about one single product that has a goal in mind.
EHP42 ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 03:48:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because Apple doesn't care about their customers. They care about their image, and at this point I'm honestly wondering if they're conducting some social experiment to see how ridiculous they can get.
"Hey, let's see how many people we can get to navigate a super long list of songs with a little clicky wheel."
"OK, they ate it up. Now let's try to convince people that 3.5" is the perfect phone screen size and that they're stupid for wanting more."
"OK, now let's create a critically flawed wireless antenna and see if we can get people to admit they're holding the phone wrong."
"Jeez, they're still with us? OK, now let's try to sell a laptop as a business and work solution, but only put one port in it."
"Holy crap, still here? Fine, let's get rid of the headphone adapter and see what happens."
Rindan ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 03:49:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They removed the USB ports on a fucking laptop? Are you shitting me? That is insane. Who the fuck would buy that?
SirSpaffsalot ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:07:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well they're replacing them with the newer USB-C ports which are superior in every way and will likely replace the older USB standard on all devices and peripherals within the next 5 years or so anyhow. The poblem is that they saw fit to only put a single Type C port on the MacBook so if youre using the MacBook whilst plugged in and charging (up to 100w with the new Type C standard instead of 2.4w max so can now be used to charge laptops) then you can't use any other Type C peripherals or devices with it. If they had put 3 ports on it, one for power, one for a mouse or other peripheral, and one spare for a new Type C thumb drive, then it would have been a good decision ultimately.
jakibaki ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:05:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It has one usb-c port. Not enough for many but not as insane as it would be removing all of them.
GV18 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:28:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most people don't need more than one. You might, but most don't. They also have a separate adapter for when you need more than one. It means the laptop is lighter, and can be made thinner making it lighter again. That's good for consumers.
Throwaway_Consoles ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 04:52:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Those of us with Bluetooth devices.
Logitech Bluetooth mouse. Logitech Bluetooth keyboard. Sony Bluetooth headphones. if anything dies, they're all charged via micro USB so I have chargers that go from the power strip to the base of my monitors.
"Wireless devices temporarily wired. Sorry for the convenience." -Mitch Hedberg
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:15:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My battery got drained just by reading your comment.
Scarred by the 2000s, will never adopt wireless, ever.
RedditHairDude ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:03:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly think of Apple users as victims of an abusive relationship. They keep getting screwed over but stay loyal and keep on coming back.
42points ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:01:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You like punishing yourself hey..
jhaluska ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:01:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Instead of seeing Apple as a computer company that sells adapters. Think of them as an adapter company that sells computers.
Who_Said_The_N_Word ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:46:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then why did you buy it?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:58:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can't wait for the memes of the new MacBook with a thousand adapters hanging off of it.
Squilly123 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:21:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apple's so powerful they can do this and people will still buy their computers.
samwam ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:28:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's because Apple wants to have the thinnest, most sleek design on the market. They do this by removing all the 'ugly' practical aspects of the computer and pass it off as intelligent design and next-generation simplicity with a single port. Honestly, it's a fucking joke and the consumers are paying for it.
onlyCulturallyMormon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:08:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Have you considered that you bought the wrong laptop? I own a MacBook Pro and I basically never use any of the ports. Meanwhile, you bought a laptop with only 1 port and it sounds like you need many ports. Is it really Apple's fault that you bought a computer that doesn't suit your needs when they sell a bunch of computers that do (and for cheaper)?
Throwaway_Consoles ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:47:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
FUCKING THANK YOU!
onlyCulturallyMormon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:49:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
YOU'RE FUCKING WELCOME! :)
Dead0fNight ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:34:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seems like you need to stop buying shitty apple products that are shiny...
GringoGoneWild ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:26:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
here's an idea: don't buy the computer then
gandaar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:52:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Technically they just removed MOST of the USB ports. But your point still stands.
NotSabre ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:20:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
M O N E Y O N E Y
Bachklamk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:36:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, Hitler had a push to remove all the Jews and millions of people agreed with him...
zerotwozerofour ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:41:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And yet everything Apple releases is wireless and needs to be charged, so they're removing the ports that they require you to use to charge everything- now even your headphones. I will never ever have all of my electronics charged all at the same time ):
finch221 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:04:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
...but that's obviously why they do it.
sec5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:06:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shut up. Don't hold back the future and good design. You will buy and enjoy this double priced, half functioning device because we said so and because we are innovative. Coz we are Apple and you should care what we think and not vice versa. /s
plays Apple tv ad throwing sledgehammer onto the screen
Shiny_Rocks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:10:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why did you buy that computer, then?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:13:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Every other major computer company already announced the switch to USB Type C. It was gonna happen soon anyways. This time Apple is just doing it first. I still think it sucks, I don't have any problem with using the cords I have now. But as they say "don't hate the playa, hate the game"
arktoid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:17:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why are people still buying their crap...
BUT_THERES_NO_HBO ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:34:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Reminds me of this MacBookAir unboxing. YOU CAN'T TAKE OUT THE BATTERY?!?!
14irahtom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:45:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Vote with your wallet.
PirateNinjaa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:52:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The new MacBook is not meant for you then, plenty of people charge their computer at night and use it all day long using almost nothing USB. One port is just fine for when they do you need to for something.
QuantumQuantonium ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:59:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ha, I have like an 8-port USB hub in addition to about 8 other USB devices on my computer...
WiDi fails on my surface 4 pro for school with fire TV, so I use wiredxdisplay and a nexus 5 to put its display "wirelessly" on my monitor.
I got a USB a female-female connector to try to connect more stuff to my mobile devices with wires...
RIP vive and oculus users when they try to use their new Mac that they hijacked a 1080m into...
And wireless charging is a myth. You still plug something into a wall, and I'd prefer to be able to move around with a wire sticking out of my phone than have it magnetically charging on a pad (sorry Samsung)
This is the Windows 8 of Apple. Be prepared for another rise in Android.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:02:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry but you DON'T HAVE to buy said adapters. You chose to purchase the MacBook with only a single port. What did you think? another USB port would appear after a software upgrade.
The machine is designed for individuals who are always on the move and connect to cloud services, Not those share their crap via USB drives.
rubdos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:24:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't get why they didn't take a chance on putting all four sides full of C connectors. That would have been a lot more useful.
jacenat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:26:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It isn't. But the user demographic of apple products is very distinct. Their usage and behaviour might not fully align with the general laptop user. My GF certainly doesn't need more than 1 USB port, if she does need one at all. So a single Type C would be totally fine for her. It would be an absolute nightmare for me though.
Dances_with_wookies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:29:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's going to look like how the Gameboy looked with all the add-ons back in the day.
ClassyJacket ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:18:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The MacBook does have a USB port.
By being updated to USB-C.
munkifisht ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:32:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It has nothing to do with obsoleteness, it has to do with making people buy $1000s of proprietary kit that only works with your apple devices. It's about locking you in for good. It's a life sentence.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:54:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This interview with Apple CEO is still relevant and very insightful.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTe-JvmfU6Q
Ersthelfer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:54:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Sounds like they wanted to be ahead of time a little to early.
Bruntaz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:05:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The thing people interested in tech never seem to realise is that the MacBook is not designed for them. Most people just use the built in keyboard and trackpad and rarely plug stuff into the USB ports. Personally I always have about 3 things plugged into my laptop but also I don't have a MacBook because it's not for me. It's designed for people who want something really portable and don't need much power.
Friendofabook ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:05:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So.. Why are you buying MacBooks?
People complaining yet keep buying them. They aren't the only actor on the market. In fact they aren't even the best actor on the market. In fact they are probably one of the worst actors on the market relative to what you get for the pricetag.
cpt_pancreas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:36:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They removed USB ports? Why?? I get annoyed my computer doesn't have enough USB ports? I bought a USB hub for a reason. There's a point at which I don't want my laptop to be thinner, it's just inconvenient to be too thin. It becomes fragile and flimsy. In what goddamn way is removing the USB port either convenient or innovative.
JZApples ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:34:49 on January 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why the fuck would you buy a computer with no USB ports?
Burnt_P0Pcorn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:22:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Firstly, I know Macs are still stellar top end machines, but Jesus if you needed to do all that, why did you buy that Mac?
chaimbo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:51:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So you as an individual with specific needs just don't buy the Mac without the ports you require. No one's forcing anyone to buy products which don't do what they need. It's all about getting what's right for you. And this applies to everything.
stryfejtf9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:00:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why buy/use it then>?
eskaza ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:58:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe don't buy a Mac?
[deleted] ยท 117 points ยท Posted at 03:22:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why would you buy a cordless laptop in the first place?
Buckling ยท 61 points ยท Posted at 07:48:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because people buy Apple products because they are Apple products, its like people who buy Beats.
Aggropop ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 08:08:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Beats, which are also owned by Apple.
amicaze ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 08:13:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And they're both well packaged shit.
chargercord ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:05:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Agree with that. Although free beats with them discounts isn't bad ๐ค
Zilveari ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 10:09:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Free Beats ARE useful. Sell those pieces of shit on Ebay and use the money to get some Sennheisers.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:00:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
AND NO LONGER WORK BECAUSE THEY HAVE CORDS
SilverNeptune ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Whats wrong with Beats?
Buckling ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:23:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You are paying for a brand not a quality product. Beats have been reported to be made for as low as $14 a headset and retail for $199+.
SilverNeptune ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:31:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So you are telling me Beats are worse than $4 gas station headphones?
Buckling ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:43:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe not that bad but Beats have one of the worst sound quality ratings on the market. Just Google how much it costs to make them. People are just buying Beats so they can say they own a pair of Beats. Any audiophile would cringe at the idea of using them.
SilverNeptune ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:35:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why does it matter how much it costs to make them?
Everything costs pennies on the dollar to make, its called making a profit. I assure you that nice pair of Sony's or whatever else is top of the only cost $20-$40 to make.
And at the end of the day what is wrong with buying something for the style? "Their purpose is to listen not be fashionable", the purpose of clothes is to keep you warm and protected but you aren't wearing cut off sweatpants right now now are you?
Beats are just something reddit loves to be elitist about. Making them feel smarter than everyone else
nism0o3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:38:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Glad I'm not the only one to question Beats. Your $200 Beats sound exactly like my $80 Sennheiser headphones. But I guess because they are red and huge.....yeah.
Malgio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:40:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was commenting on another thread how I was excited to buy the iPhone 7 until I saw this bs. Another guy commented saying "It's the way it's going to be for all the future iPhones. You are going to have to buy one eventually"... it's like he didn't even consider the existence of another phone, or the fact that if I owned an iPhone I might switch to Android; it just didn't compute
rodriguez256 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:34:26 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They could always buy a MacBook Pro then. Still has all ports. Believe just the air removed the jacks and went with the USB-C.
HoofedEar ยท 59 points ยท Posted at 04:08:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly this. You knew exactly what you were buying when you bought, don't blame Apple for your poor judgement.
[deleted] ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 04:32:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. If people stopped buying them, then maybe Apple will reevaluate their decisions.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:57:03 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It would be cool if I could have a cordless charging laptop, though.
Like a large QI charging mat at my desk that I can plop it down on when I get home or something. Maybe at work too.
GringoGoneWild ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:26:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
sounds like you shouldn't buy the new Macbook then
Digital_Ctrash ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 03:02:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You didn't have to buy anything. You should reevaluate what drives you to purchase from apple, a company that is actively fighting consumer desires
ivoteforvoat ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:04:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It still looks cool when you're sitting at the Starbucks and pretend to work.
Thedirtyjersey ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 03:01:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Of course
And wireless pairing blows, I don't care what kind of wishful thinking you might have, but manufacturers make all kinds of products that aren't exactly OEM and don't pair perfectly, nor do OEM either.
Bluetooth headphones are OK for jogging but they fucking blow when you just want to listen to music, even if the quality was good, the batteries suck, radio sucks
And then you have some asshole apologists trying to say you can just get a wired adapter.
Oh, OK, the $50 minimum lightning to line out adapter? Wtf
Tundralight ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:43:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The adapter is $9.
71Matt71 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:08:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
$50 minimum? Try $9, not to mention the one that is included with the phone.....
SmallzMafia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:19:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder if they're being assholes just to be assholes or for the publicity that they can do whatever the fuck they want and people will still flock in droves.
phatboy5289 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:20:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Needing an adapter is stupid, but it's $9 dude. Nice strawman there with your $50 figure you pulled out of your ass though.
Baltowolf ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:12:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait... There's a "cordless" Macbook? I somehow missed that one. Wtf.
jawr_character ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:34:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. Piece of junk. Has one port on the side that is supposed to be a "do all" with the right 100 dollar adapter.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:02:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, well, the newer Macbook is all about portability. Don't complain about it, just acknowledge it's not the right one for you and stick with the Air or Pro lines. People are such idiots in their hatred of a company, I swear.
Thomjones ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:48:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's the idea!! That's how they make more money.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:59:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Want to see my dongle?
Moonknight531 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:10:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm surprised they haven't implemented wireless charging for all their devices to become fully cordless . Then they can remove all the ports!
Jaredelasshole ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:13:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At the end of the day all they care about is money. The more changes they make to the phone/MACs the more cords or extra accessories you need to buy from them!
dp_ny ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:50:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Buying the new MacBook and complaining about not having the ports you want is like buying yoga pants and complaining that they don't have belt loops.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:11:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm confused as to why you bought the MacBook then?
You know the deal going in. You're buying a premium and (almost silly) minimally designed piece of kit.
I've used mine ever day since launch working on it. It's gets me through a full day at the office easy. I have quite literally never needed a usb where a file couldn't be drop boxed or emailed.
But before I purchased the laptop I thought about how I used my old Mac Air and realised I could adjust.
RogerPackinrod ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:21:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's the point.
The_Seymour_Butts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:22:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So why did you buy it?
NLJeroen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:28:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They want you to buy AirPods.
monkeyboy888 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:32:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Heard the next model of Macbook they're dropping the screen and keyboard.
Will have headphone jack.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:35:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The point is to get you to buy nothing but airport compatible apple products and switch to iCloud. However, at that point you may as well just buy a Chromebook and save yourself several thousand dollars
cyanletters ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:03:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't you have yourself to blame for this? The MacBook is obviously for people who want ultra portability and don't need to plug things into it all the time. They're probably using mostly wireless solutions like AirDrop and cloud storage.
If you needed to use the ports so much, why didn't you get a MacBook Pro or a PC with all the ports that you needed?
rk119 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:38:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Some of their moves pushes end up working really well. I remember when the first Air came out without a CD drive to save space, everyone thought they'd made a huge mistake. But life changed as they predicted. Similarly, I think wireless headphones are going to be mainstream very soon.
I think reducing cords on a MacBook can lead to more frustrations than dropping the headphone jack in iPhones.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:43:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a scam, to create a whole new market. Think of all the extra money earned.
0912873465no ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:06:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your fault, you bought the wrong machine. I have the rMB and have two adapters, USB-C to Gigabit Ethernet and the Digital A/V Adapter. I rarely use them. You should have bought a MacBook Air.
ofrance ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:23:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's 2016 you geriatric fuck.
AUKEY Bluetooth Receiver, Audio Music Adapter with Hands-free Calling for iPhone, Samsung and More https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00O8FYUJA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_4lq0xbW0HJD08
NihlusKryik ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:26:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You bought the wrong laptop.
ofrance ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:37:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The MacBook isn't for everyone. Why did you buy it then? You're an idiot.
strapaty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:40:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then why did you buy macbook?
Biscuits0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:59:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Stop buying Apple then?
WhiteAdipose ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:05:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wireless Revolution - no wireless charging.
Diggly123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:15:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
then why did you buy it if you needed to make so many connections? the reason I bought one was because I was working in an almost wireless environment on it to do light tasks, if you needed a mac to do heavy tasks and make lots of wired connections then you should've gotten an air or a pro
slickasducks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:45:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's the idea.
carefulwhatyawish4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:10:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At least 15% of the reason I purchased a Macbook was because of the magsafe connector, which Apple is now abandoning in favor of USB-C. It's downright stupid.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:01:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
macbook is awful, they aren't good for gaming
Tea-Rekt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:40:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In this comment chain, people who don't realize that USB-C was a joint venture between quite a few companies, and that even the newest HP laptops don't come with regular USB ports.
USB-C will become industry standard.
I blows my mind how everyone wants innovation and change, but the second someone changes something, everyone loses their shit.
Mds03 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:58:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've started calling then Adapptle now. Some day my 2012 macbook will die and if their next one lacks SD card, 2 usb slots and hdmi+dp I won't be upgrading to a mac.
Mds03 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:00:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've started calling then Adapptle now. Some day my 2012 macbook will die and if their next one lacks SD card, 2 usb slots and hdmi+dp I won't be upgrading to a mac.
CookieTheSlayer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:18:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Very interesting push considering they include cord headphones, another cord adapter, don't include the cordless headphones and don't even have wireless charging
ryokensan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:06:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In before 6 months after release apple puts out a plus version of the phone WITH a headphone jack for $200 more
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:07:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was forced to switch to this MacBook at work. I've had no end of troubles getting the right chords and adapters. IT can't figure it out, and the costs are mounting.
ViciousDiarrhea ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:15:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nothing against MacBooks but I highly doubt that.
jxy2016 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:43:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That being the case, Apple did it right lol
iamitman007 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:32:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Soon you will have to buy cords for the cordless Air Pods to keep them from falling out one by one.
Malgio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:42:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't get people that defend this move by saying "you can just buy an adapter". Adapters are cumbersome and annoying. If a device needs an adapter it's a sign of its incompleteness
crashing_this_thread ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:45:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why the fuck would you buy that model when you are clearly the type who should have model with ports.
Auctoritate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:04:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, shit.
They're milking money with this, aren't they?
Faemn ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:26:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then you're not using it right. The MacBook is NOT supposed to be a main computer/work device where you do the brunt of your work and connect your peripherals and shit. If it's your sole computing option you should've gone for another device.
CurtR ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:41:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry you can't count. :(
SkollFenrirson ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:00:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not so much that they're going cordless, it's that they want to sell you overpriced accessories to make up for the functionality they refused to include in the first place.
[deleted] ยท 2306 points ยท Posted at 01:12:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You had one Jobs, Apple.
spockspeare ยท 141 points ยท Posted at 03:26:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And now, Too Many Cooks.
jacksalssome ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 09:31:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
WTF's up with the title.
MrTim165 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 11:16:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sometimes it's best not to question what happens around Adult Swim.
BlueLaserCommander ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:14:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have a friend that had a straight-up panic attack watching this while tripping shrooms.
nessie7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Watched it drunk a few times, always an experience.
spockspeare ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:44:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking Smarf.
Nosiege ยท 130 points ยท Posted at 01:43:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And he was an asshole.
Eatapear ยท 150 points ยท Posted at 01:53:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But at least he didn't do this
Greatmambojambo ยท 58 points ยท Posted at 05:19:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I'm honestly confused about all the "Jobs would'nt have removed the aux port" talk
That's exactly the kind of stuff Jobs has done many times over and would do if he still was alive.
He tried to remove Floppy and CD slots from Macs when they were basically the only available technology and he passionately removed USB ports from laptops to make them look better.
This is Steve Job's philosophy people. I'm pretty sure he sheds a tear of joy while looking up on us.
Read his (actually quite interesting) biography if you don't believe me
[deleted] ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 07:01:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
nice.
emezachariah ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 05:52:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
IIRC, he was just copying all the things custom computers did because cds and floppys were being faded out. I can't disagree with the lack of USB, other than the fact that it is fucking stupid to do that.
Ninja edit: Jobs did it for the beauty, new Apple is doing it for the money
wedontlikespaces ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:16:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If apple really wanted their phones to be better looking they could start by removing the hardware button in the bottom and letting the screen have a bit more space.
It was redundant from day one. The only reason to keep it is for the finger print scanner but they could move that to under the screen if they wanted to.
funknight ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 06:56:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He would kick some asses if he saw the camera bump though.
GV18 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:25:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The whole thing for him was to employ the jeep principle. Just Enough Essential Parts. Was a floppy disk or CD really needed? At a point, no it wasn't because you can download virtually everything. Flash is pretty shit, why don't we just not use it to force companies to upgrade to something better.
If Jobs had been alive today, this would not have happened today. It would have been next year, or the year after. Once all the big issues with wireless headphones had been sorted, and they could bundle AirPods and not lose money (in real terms) but sell wireless beats at $400.
What Apple have done now is go, "this is where we think it'll go, so let's go there first". It used to be, "we don't have to be first, just be the best for most people".
-kljasd- ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 03:06:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
this makes Jobs look good. Wow
BilllisCool ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 03:21:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lots of things make Jobs look good because he did a lot of amazing things.
timescrucial ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:17:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yea, but Tim Cook is channeling Steve Jobs in this decision. "hmm, what would Steve Jobs do? i know... he would fucking get rid of the audio jack because people don't really know what they want until we give it to them!"
WhereIsYourMind ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:30:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is still within the Jobsian line of thinking. Innovation at any cost, each release must be significant. Jobs spent his career trying to do things differently, at the cost of usability and general design sense.
FarsideSC ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:12:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
However, he did single-handedly keep the turtleneck industry alive. For that, we cannot forgive him.
HunterTV ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:05:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh really? I've never heard this before. Please tell me more.
mirhagk ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 03:33:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He had a daughter, and fought tooth and nail to not pay child support. After a paternity test (which he still contested) he paid $500/month while he was a millionaire. You don't get much more of an asshole than that.
squishy404 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:55:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nope...he was just "inovating"
Balind ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:35:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He felt she wasn't his daughter. He also admitted he was a bit of an asshole then, and he made things up with her later - he paid for her college at an expensive school and IIRC she was his heir.
And $500 in the 80s was about equivalent to $1000 today. How much should he have paid? Is there no reasonable child support cap?
Big_Damn_Hiro ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 02:20:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, here is an article talking about him parking in handicap spots.
Ilandar ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 03:28:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
BUT HE HAD THE CANCER
HighProductivity ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:37:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Love how everyone is replying with standard rude person stuff and failing to mention the hundreds of Apple slaves who killed themselves working for Apple in Asia.
jensenw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:48:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Never met the guy
fearachieved ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:50:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But he had VISION
CatzRuleZWorld ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:17:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The he died
TheObviousChild ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:30:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He got a PC
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 04:59:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He did get a pancreatic cancer, yes.
Oregon_Bound ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:08:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
http://i.imgur.com/axJmn.gif
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:18:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure you whooshed my joke on P.C.
Tidial ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 06:40:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Woosh
ccAbstraction ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:17:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That made my horrible day!
67Mustang-Man ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:44:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah to bad he died.
fapsandnaps ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:19:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Applecare doesn't cover the pancreas.
whatisthisicantodd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:00:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
zing!
smoofles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:05:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tha guy who killed the floppy and the CD/DVD drive and forced everyone to go with โgaspโUSB back in the day.
Yeah.
MentallyWill ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:48:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How is this not the top rated comment?
Black_n_Neon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:30:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And this is what happens when they lost him
Astrangerindander ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:59:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Underrated comment right here
PunctuationsOptional ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:57:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And you wasted him.
Krabins ยท 2768 points ยท Posted at 23:09:20 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
When I drive I plug the aux cable into my phone while I have it charging. It's something I do multiple times on a daily basis. What type of horrible horrible design is this?
Edit: My car and my wife's car are 08 and 09. They have aux ports and USB ports to plug stuff in but no Bluetooth. I'm obviously not going to buy a new car to be compatible with my phone. I'll just stick to my Android that already does all that shit and has a headphone jack.
CubicleFarter ยท 458 points ยท Posted at 02:01:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I still drive a '99 Honda Accord and have to use one of those cassette tapes that plugs into the audio jack
futilitarian ยท 515 points ยท Posted at 04:32:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm still convinced those work by magic alone
Bubba_Junior ยท 105 points ยท Posted at 04:54:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah how tf do those work
FocusedADD ยท 129 points ยท Posted at 06:00:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Normally, the wound up tape is magnetically imprinted right? Well, instead of a roll of tape of changing magnetic waves, it's just one piece of material that changes in its magnetic signature based on the data it gets from the headphone jack. The read head can't tell the difference; it's still getting the same information.
[deleted] ยท 80 points ยท Posted at 06:25:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 97 points ยท Posted at 06:37:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"How does it work?"
"It uses magnets"
"Oh, cool. So, how do magnets work?"
"... Get out."
Ravingsmads ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:39:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's actually a valid question that I never thought about before.. how do magnets work?
Tidial ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:43:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://youtu.be/hFAOXdXZ5TM
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 06:48:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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Tidial ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:14:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just like we don't know how gravity works or why quarks don't exist on their own. We can break those down to more specific questions, but we can't answer them.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:51:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In the end whatever question you have will unsatisfyingly be answered by 'it is'.
fib11235 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:15:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not one ICP reference...disappointed
Tidial ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:47:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What does Insane Clown Posse have to do with that? :^)
nixt26 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:43:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://youtu.be/MO0r930Sn_8
horegregor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:30:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And I don't wanna talk to a scientist, those motherfuckas lying and getting me pissed
Pirate_King_Mugiwara ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:57:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuckin' Magnets, how do they work?
PhantomZmoove ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:08:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No one is going to reference the magnet guys here?
mochi_chan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:08:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So basically magic.
Parcequehomard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:35:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I figured that's how it worked, the part that blows my mind is that we can do that within something the size of a cassette tape. And have been able to for what, at least 20 years?
drunk_mulder ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:31:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
fuck yeah, science!!
thaliart ยท 149 points ยท Posted at 05:11:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
http://i.imgur.com/YsbKHg1.gif
rudy_fr ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 05:57:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I expected an explanation gif but this is funnier
supersurg ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:23:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is an explanation, I understood perfectly XD
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 06:18:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Idontknowwhatiexpected.gif
vhite ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:42:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No matter how many times I watch this gif, it doesn't get any less magical.
sparkyfrodo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:37:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bookmarked, while I wait for an appropriate opportunity to use it in a team Slack conversation .
theamusingnerd ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 05:22:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is essentially a cassette write head mounted in a cassette tape shaped housing. The head itself is no different than one in a tape recorder. The head in the adapter "writes" the audio you input onto the read head inside the tape deck.
Linus_in_Chicago ยท 75 points ยท Posted at 05:37:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Magic. Got it.
Xcam55 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 05:16:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have one of those too and now that I think about it, it really doesn't make sense.
winterspan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:58:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://m.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/3uvs8i/how_do_cassette_tape_to_aux_cable_adapters_work/
Juankestein ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:00:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit I thought I was alone, my sister has one and I've always wondered the same, doesnt make sense to me lol
VaporStrikeX2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:29:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same here. I found one on vacation, and immediately grabbed it since I had never seen one before. Works flawlessly in my 97 Buick Century.
Fuckin magic.
sungazer69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:53:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Damn. I never really understood how those work and now I fear that I never will.
donkypunchrello ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:56:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've found my people
savageboredom ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:57:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I have a 2000 Accord and recently swapped out my deck for a Bluetooth one I got off Amazon for 20 bucks. It's a really easy install and I totally recommend doing it.
natertater23 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:10:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i have an old car too and got an fm tranmsitter. works like an aux and a usb charger. works like a charm. can provide more info if needed
NerdRep ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:08:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know head units with usb and bluetooth only cost about $100 these days right?
ghost_ranger ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:33:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And they're worth every. God. Damn. Cent.
Insearchofloam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:02:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This. Who replaces a $1000 car over an issue that can be solved with a $100 upgrade?
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:43:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same here. Those things are fucking magic, been using the same one for years. Great audio quality too for being piped through a fuckin cassette.
Marenum ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:03:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
'99 Camry here with the same setup. I keep telling myself I'll just wait until the car dies, but it refuses.
IslandFishAJ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:25:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I know how you feel! Still rocking my cassette tape/audio jack.
I_FART_IN_DOORWAYS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:37:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I drove a 99 durango and used one of those tape deck things until one day the radio stopped working. So I spent $65 on a stereo from amazon and installed it in the stock radio's place. It had an aux cable , usb port, and bluetooth. For less than the cost of all those stupid apple adapters.
the-mbo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:08:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In my old Audi a6 its the same. Luckily I am no Apple customer.
greengorilla60 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:12:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That cassette thing wouldn't work in my truck so I bought myself one of these. Works like a charm with Bluetooth.
Bucanan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:58:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have one of those. I don't get how those work but they are fucking awesome. Also, i have a 99 Honda Accord. Shit. We might be the same guy.
elbekko ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:58:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mine makes horrible grinding noises after using it almost non-stop for a 10h+ road trip. Cassettes were never made to be played that long, I guess...
Dalers08 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:06:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Get a Bluetooth cassette instead of a wired one. Not for iPhone users, I just have a way better experience overall, no more terrible shorting noise.
Zilveari ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:12:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ugh, I would wind up getting a cheap replacement head unit with an aux jack, then buy a bluetooth adapter for $20.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:12:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yeah, they sound horrible.
BlueLaserCommander ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:24:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My car is too new to have a cassette and too old to have an aux jack. I just burn CDs or listen to my headphones.
Nuggetry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:33:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had an old Elantra and I used one of those things that hijacks an empty radio channel and plays your music from your iPod or Android
Shakeweight_All-Star ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:10:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have an '01 Accord that has a stupid CD player instead. Used one of those shitty radio transmitters for years before I found out there's an aux cord adapter you can plug into the empty port in the back that was left open for a CD-changer you could put in the trunk.
MGJon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:26:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
...you know you can buy aftermarket stereos, right?
Even ones with Bluetooth.
hajamieli ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:45:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Connect that to a BT to 3.5mm jack adapter, or get a BT to FM radio thingy.
Marenum ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:03:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Those BT to FM radio things still suck. The cassette deal is way better.
hajamieli ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:27:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The FM thing works better in my case, the cassette motor humming is worse than finding an interference-less FM channel, and I don't have to inject the cassette every time, since it has auto-eject on power-off.
Marenum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:21:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can I ask which one you use? The ones I've tried have been a major loss in audio quality, but I'd like to find a decent one.
hajamieli ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:33:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is the one I'm using, the only annoyance is the spoken chinglish pairing-connected message; I'd rather have simple beeps or just some led things for that. Its microphone is good enough for Siri while driving (and of course hands-free calls), with the transmitter in the center console and the media/call buttons work just fine. Also has an ยตSD-MP3 player, which I haven't used and a 3.5mm stereo receptacle apparently for AUX connectivity, which I haven't used.
Anyway, I think the key spec for finding one is to look for A2DP and such features, since some (especially old) BT receivers are of the mono handset variety, which of course sounds horrible.
Marenum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:02:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Awesome, thanks for your detailed reply!
jugernot420 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:57:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why not just get a different phone?
hajamieli ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:28:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How would a different phone resolve the situation? I'd still have to deal with those damn wires; haven't used wired anything but charging on my phones since 2010-ish.
better_spelling ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:47:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I use one of those but its bluetooth! Go figure...
munche ยท 1118 points ยท Posted at 01:51:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody who works at Apple has a car made before 2014 so they just assume the entire world has bluetooth
ArchNemesisNoir ยท 145 points ยท Posted at 03:26:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
God, you still have that old 2014? Fuck. You'd better get a 2016, like, now. Then we can drive our 2016s to trade in for the 2017s. While we're there, may as well pre-order the 2018. I mean, you already know we're going to get it, so we may as well pay now.
izModar ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 05:14:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just wait until they make proprietary gas nozzle ports to go along with those cars!
maxiimus1 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:54:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
iGas - the new innovative solution to fuel. 0.2% more performance, 200% more expensive.
Mentalpatient87 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:48:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think you mean 17% less performance.
Decepticle_Ronnie ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 10:01:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You joke, but in an oddly related anecdote, some years ago when I moved to Denmark, I was working for a small web development place here. The Danes love their Apple stuff. I think one of the 'S' iPhone models had just came out and one of the developers was showing his off and comparing it to the bosses non-'S' model. He was telling him how he should upgrade to this newer model. When I asked what was different on the newer model, the developer said 'I'm not sure. Hang on and I'll look it up'. He just spent all that money on a new phone model and didn't even know the difference, just knew it was 'newer' and was trying to talk other people into doing the same thing.
[deleted] ยท 144 points ยท Posted at 02:42:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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munche ยท 317 points ยท Posted at 02:45:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh the people in China don't have a car, they live in factory apartments and walk to work
bawbaw_wabwab ยท 325 points ยท Posted at 03:11:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sometimes they try to fly to work.
Ikbeneenpaard ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 04:35:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Brutal
n0vacancy ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 05:17:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They try and fly to the grocery store too.
NetVet4Pets ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 03:26:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hear they sometimes fly from work.
Badvertisement ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:06:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
From the roof of their work...
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 05:36:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Way to ruin the joke.
NetVet4Pets ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:03:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Way to woooooooooosh.
DuntadaMan ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:19:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Gets dark fast 'round these here parts.
johnnybiggles ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:23:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
FTFY
munche ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:34:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
God bless them
DarrSwan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:18:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://media.giphy.com/media/l3V0w34dIIiW35KkE/giphy.gif
ArchNemesisNoir ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:27:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ftfy
fearlessgod ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:31:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is all I can say.
http://67.media.tumblr.com/f6fdfb34d4f8148103515d28b71c0ac9/tumblr_nq1pj4GIUs1r5iauuo4_250.gif
Jackbauer1126 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:22:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Too soon bro...
manbearpig916 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:32:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No they land..... with style!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:35:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nice.
estatheo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:09:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That was a nice jump
Zilveari ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:13:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
FTFY. The roof at work is apparently a very good launching pad.
nism0o3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:47:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think they're trying hard enough because they don't flap their arms.......oh.....ha. I see where you went with that. Dark....dark.
Endeavor305 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:57:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This comment should have gold. I don't have any but from someone that does.
eskaza ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:05:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a win-win for the flying individual who lands in a better work environment with a guaranteed job placement for all of eternity.
Badvertisement ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:05:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
On dragons
jdb12 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:20:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
*away from
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:29:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ha!
ColossalJuggernaut ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:38:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Those nets aren't for suicide attempts, they jump into the designated net and it bounces them safely and funnly to their assigned positions. Everyone wins!
Mad_Hatter_Bot ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:52:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This message has been brought to you by Apple!
purplepooters ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:30:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
you mean the slaves
legayredditmodditors ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:44:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
they don't even walk to work, afaik their apartments are part of the factory.
frege-peach ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:26:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They do have nets though. In the factories I mean.
vhite ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:44:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And it's not like they can't afford it, Apple just doesn't want to make suicide easier for them.
USAuthority ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:43:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
actually it was a trick question, the Chinese factory workers aren't people.
Adam-SB ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:21:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The people in the factory don't work at or for Apple. They work for Foxconn.
Bosknation ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:23:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think they're making any important decisions there.
derekandroid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:24:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That was a red teeth problem
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:54:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He meant just the important people
Bbs56 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:12:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Would they even have apple phones?
jpgray ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:21:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Okay...but I'm gonna get better audio quality from a 3.5mm cable than I will from bluetooth.
MAADcitykid ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:26:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bluetooth kills my iPhone quicker than streaming video
munche ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:36:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well luckily for you when it's on Bluetooth you can still use the charging cable
hanoian ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:57:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's not lucky. Now he needs to have a charging cable in his car.
Apple fans will excuse anything. It the iPhone 8 doesn't have a screen and needs to be plugged into an Apple TV to work, some plank will defend it.
munche ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:08:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fortunately for you you can buy a new VW Passat with AppleTV integration, which will make pairing to your car a snap! Apple has really thought of all the ways to make your life easier. Just need you to swipe your credit card, and all of these new conveniences will get you right back to operating your phone like you did 2 years ago.
Infin1ty ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:52:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know you're not making it, but I fucking hate the excuse of "well, it has Bluetooth!"
Unless you're completely deaf, Bluetooth audio sounds like the noises coming out of my 400+ lb dad's ass.
inspirekc ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:54:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have a 2015 truck that has an aux jack and HDMI but no Bluetooth.
munche ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:07:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All you need to do to support your new iPhone is buy a new car, or rip your entire central nav/entertainment system out and replace it with a head unit from Best Buy! EZ
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:18:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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AndroidPaulPierce ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:26:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Which only works if you have an Ipad, Iphone, and the apple watch which all must sync at the same time.
chinesef000d ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:45:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I worked there for 5 years with the same 2010 Hyundai... Guess I didn't get the memo.
witch_trial ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:02:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You joke but I've been to menlo park and palo alto and you're not even wrong. it's the definition of a bubble
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:07:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apple is a premium brand. They expect their customers to have premium items.
munche ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:29:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"if you're still driving a 2005 car, buy a 2005 phone, you dick!"
ColossalJuggernaut ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:38:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have a 2011 car with no bluetooth, I am such a dick. I apologize ghost of Steve Jobs.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 03:44:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, but if you can afford a $700 phone surly you can also afford a stereo head unit that's better than the shitty stock unit. No one said you have to replace the whole car.
Sawder ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:50:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Or I could just get the other $700 phone that works with my non-shitty pre-Bluetooth head unit. Plus I get the added bonus of not have to dick around with an adapter when using regular headphones.
Edit: Just to add, it's absolutely ridiculous that something like this should even be a question for upgrading a phone. An iPhone isn't some super exclusive device, we're not talking Tesla's here.
To me, this is a push away from the device convergence that the original iPhone did well in the first place.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:16:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Buying a different phone is always an option, and I highly recommend buying the phone that best suits your needs. However, if you have to have the next iPhone, using an adapter or buying a 3.5mm Bluetooth adapter for your car won't be the end of the world. You can find some for ~$35.
Sawder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:44:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, that's about where I'm at. I had been holding out for the 7 on the slim hope that the rumors were false about the 3.5mm. Likely will head over to the S7 at this stage.
My setup just isn't ready to get rid of the 3.5mm yet, I can't see that changing for a while, and paying an Apple price for something that requires an adapter to fit into that setup just doesn't make much sense to me. Just a little frustrated, I'm sure that shows in my posts.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:21:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The S7 is a wonderful phone! Make sure to look at the S7 Edge as well, it's a little bigger but the battery life in insane! My fiancรฉe has one.
munche ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:58:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Unless your car is advanced enough that your head unit controls other features besides your radio, then replacing it becomes a tricky proposition. Even worse with newer cars with funky dash shapes that can't support a standard head unit.
Also, everyone needs a phone. Apple is charging a premium for their phone's ease of use. Forcing people to buy new headphones/car head units to work with their new phone when their old ones worked just fine is not ease of use.
Considering Apple is coming off of their first overall sales decline and this phone offered very little outside of incremental updates, we'll see if they stemmed the tide of people abandoning ship.
Sound_of_Science ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:36:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You'd think being tech-savvy would help them understand how shitty the audio quality becomes when using Bluetooth.
fwipyok ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:37:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
my '11 renault twingo had bluetooth :/
but my 1997 motorbike hasn't got one... hmmmm... >:]
lurker_33 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:02:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I was shopping for cars in 2015, I found that the additional cost on a base model A4 for Bluetooth audio (music not voice) was $5000. Meanwhile I will concede that it's Volkswagen counterpart came with the capability in the standard package. That's when I stopped looking at luxury cars.
MLG_SlashySouls ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:03:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have bluetooth and my car will actually display artwork and song information when I play music through bluetooth. I still use an aux cord because it's a solid second faster. Latency does not sit well with me and it's infuriating with music.
sec5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:08:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
After 10 years I still can't get Bluetooth to work flawlessly as it should. Somethings should stay analog like the clock, and don't need to be digital. That's good design, not shoving down technology and dictating how it should be used the way Apple does it.
chk102 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:17:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually just went to Apple campus with a friend to drop someone off at work there... there are definitely a ton of nice cars, but there are also some pretty shit cars, too...
woodsbre ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:36:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know this is joke but if they had Bluetooth especially in socal. And they never experienced interference. Then they never had Bluetooth. Hell my device gets interference if you walk through automatic doors for crying out loud. And audio that comes out Bluetooth isn't exactly high quality.
beniceorbevice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:42:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why are people justifying this by using Bluetooth? Bluetooth kills your battery about 5x quicker than having aux cord connected
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:50:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
blue... tooth? that's something i haven't heard since 2004.
i see the guys with the earbud necklaces from time to time, but i never see them actually use it so i just assumed it's just a way of telling everybody that they're hip and fresh. kinda like wrapping trash bags around your jordans on your way to work.
i mean i think the original PSP's used bluetooth. that's new-ish, right? gotta be at least pre-9/11.
gharbutts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:03:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, I still drive around my 2010 car for the same reason I won't replace my iPhone 6 for another few years. Apple knows the people who are likely to buy the newest iPhone are also likely to be the kind of people who lease cars with Bluetooth capabilities. Let's get real, I've never bought a new phone as soon as it came out, I always buy one version older because it's cheaper and the bugs have been identified already. Apple wasn't going to get my money either way, though I'm sure they lost at least a few sales with this bs. I imagine they'll still make plenty in profits regardless.
londite ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:26:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You could find Bluetooth on older cars too. My parents bought a BMW 5 series back in 2007 and it already had Bluetooth and USB. Although I have to admit that it was an exception back then.
Mandus_Therion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:30:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
He is looking at them
BenekCript ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:56:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
2013 has Bluetooth! Also I imagine it's pretty trivial to make an adapter. Like the Aux cord you already use.
lkodl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:32:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
or can get it for $15 https://www.amazon.com/Bluetooth-Receiver-TaoTronics-Microphone-Streaming/dp/B013QJ0W8Q/ref=pd_lpo_107_lp_t_3?ie=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=APQFPK22DEWCVRGSK24J
Voodoo78 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:38:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They have chauffeurs.
shit_lord ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:23:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They really ride very nice buses to work from their million dollar homes and 3k a month studios in sf.
Cars aren't eco friendly yo
Mach10X ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:27:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can add bluetooth to a car with a $9 bluetooth receiver
nism0o3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:45:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Perspective is everything.
swoledabeast ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:20:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A Bluetooth compatible stereo for a car is pretty dirt cheap... I put one in my 2006 car a few years ago and it was simple.
I've since traded that car in and I love my new car having it built in though.
munche ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:28:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree to a point, on a lot of current cars they just aren't really designed to handle a regular single DIN head unit. In my current car I'm not sure how I'd fit an aftermarket head unit if I wanted to.
swoledabeast ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:40:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He was talking about an older model car though. I agree, my new car I don't have that flexibility.
DracoAzuleAA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:05:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My car is an 03 and it's got bluetooth.
Didn't come stock of course. I put an aftermarket radio deck in it that has bluetooth for both phone calls and music.
Just saying. You don't have to break the bank to get more modern features in your vehicle.
munche ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:11:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey man, I get it. I was an early adopter on bluetooth in my car and I've had it since like 2005. I've installed aftermarket head units to support bluetooth in my personal cars and my gf as well.
When you're selling phones to people who love that your phone is nice and "just works", telling them to buy and install a new head unit in their car to get features they've had for years is a pretty fucking hard sell.
Lots of people will spend the money for an iPhone but don't want to buy a new car or spend time/money upgrading their old car for a feature they had yesterday.
DracoAzuleAA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:20:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not talking about people who have had these features for years. I'm talking about lower middle class folks like me who drive vehicles from the late 90's and the early 2000's who don't currently have this type of functionality in their vehicle.
You can get em as cheap as $60 from Walmart if you just want a bare bones aftermarket radio with bluetooth. A lot better than spending upwards of $20,000 on a new vehicle lol
munche ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:21:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure we're making the same argument. Nobody wants to spend time/money upgrading their car to play their phone in their car when their aux cable has worked for years.
DracoAzuleAA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:31:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know of any late 90's or early 2000's cars that have AUX cables though.
No car I've ever owned came with an AUX cable hookup. Not stock anyways. Unless you use one of those shitty cassette player adapters.
Which is why, as I said, it's a worthwhile investment if your car doesn't already have the technology
munche ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:34:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But if my car is a 2000 Whatever and I spent a few hundred bucks in 2007 to get a head unit with an aux cable, spending a few hundred bucks again to have Best Buy install a new bluetooth unit is pretty unappealing when I'm not gaining anything
DracoAzuleAA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:52:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well yeah if you're just talking about bluetooth then a few hundred bucks wouldn't be worth it.
However, if you're spending a few hundred bucks on a radio in 2016 then more than likely you're getting a top of the line model with backup camera, DVD playback, Android Auto and Apple Carplay, hands free bluetooth calling, bluetooth audio playback, GPS, USB, and SD card support as well.
My radio is from 2011, so it has most of that minus the Android Auto and Apple Carplay. Still, a very worthwhile upgrade from a basic deck from 2003 that only has CD, cassette tape, and AM/FM radio.
Grim-Sleeper ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:12:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have a 2005 car. It had neither Aux nor Bluetooth. In 2010, I spent a whopping $100 to upgrade the radio. I'm sure it's cheaper now. The car now has Aux, Bluetooth and a really good quality Bluetooth speaker phone.
I don't have any Apple devices, but I feel the current public whining is getting really tiresome. There are plenty of good and affordable options, and anybody with a car that was built in the last 5 years doesn't even have that problem.
If you can't afford less than $100 to upgrade your car stereo, then maybe you shouldn't waste many hundreds of dollars on having to get the most bleeding edge phone
Lurker_81 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:23:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There are plenty of cars where the stereo is integrated with other car systems (climate control etc) and can't be changed.
More to the point, there is no reason Apple couldn't have just announced the AirPods as a new product and left the headphone jack alone.
Don't kid yourself, this has nothing to do with pushing for better quality audio or anything like that - it is purely a cash grab to try to maintain their profit levels with expensive accessories and nothing more...the fact that they're still persisting with the rubbish quality drivers of the old EarPods is solid proof of that.
munche ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:33:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The thing you don't realize - maybe you CAN afford a new head unit for your car, but you don't think it's worth fucking with your car stereo to allow you to hear your phone that worked fine last week.
When Apple killed CD/DVD drives, people were pretty much over using them. When they killed the floppy, people were done with the floppy. Hardly anyone ever cared about FireWire.
Almost everyone uses the 3.5mm jack. And Apple killed it without offering a good justification. "You may not have the headphone jack, but now you get....nothing. Fuck you. Buy our headphones or bluetooth headphones or eat a dick"
The_Real_Max ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:13:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Point taken, but they're not entirely off base. The median income for an iPhone owner is $85,000.
toadstoolsupreme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:23:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I cant see how that is true, just about every kid in high school/college seem to have an iphone
The_Real_Max ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:26:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But even more working professionals have iPhones. Blackberry used to be the industry standard and due to Apple's strong security, almost every major bank/F500 provides iPhones for work phones. Those kids in college are also the ones that are going to be earning $85k+. Apple's demographic is also much more educated (though they have much fewer in tech-related fields).
toadstoolsupreme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:11:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fair enough, I guess just about all the high school kids with them are technically their parents iphones as well.
munche ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:35:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I suppose so, but closing off part of your market seems like an odd response to your first ever quarter without growth in sales. "Let's alienate more people!"
The_Real_Max ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:28:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think they thought this would be as polarizing as it was. They got a lot of space from removing it and have a $9 lighting/aux converter.
I think it was a pretty poor call, but that wouldn't stop me from buying an iPhone 7 if I were in the market. Generally, I think iPhones are just superior products to other phones, but I doubt that'll last for another 5-10 years.
bestmaokaina ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:15:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My 2011 car has bluetooth lol
munche ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:35:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
humblebrag
Faemn ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:22:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
cmon dawg i've had bluetooth in my cars since before the iphone came out, 2014, really?
munche ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:27:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Look man you're talking to a guy who had janky early ass Pioneer head units that played MP3 CDs and had Bluetooth and that was a Big Deal
Faemn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:30:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
what does that even mean?
munche ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:40:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm saying I jerry rigged bluetooth in my car in fuckin 2002 but that doesn't change my point
Faemn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:47:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
so should they release breakthrough tech assuming people are still 15 years back in tech instead of pushing the boundaries? shit would be super boring if everyone was so fucking conservative that they would not push for something new because some people might be reluctant to change.
munche ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:54:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The thing is, there's no breakthrough. People have had bluetooth headphones for years, and some people like them, some don't. Apple didn't suddenly revolutionize headphones where you'd never need to plug them in again, they just removed the jack and tough shit if you don't like it.
Faemn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:57:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You do not have to buy this product. There's literally thousands of other options out there. Nobody is forcing anything on you. There are at least 3 other iPhones on their line up that do have a headphone jack that were shown to be supported, and even updated today.
munche ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:05:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I'm not claiming it's a great injustice. I'm just questioning the logic of a company that's losing market share deciding to remove a popular feature without even bothering to offer a benefit to justify it. Apple can sell whatever garbage they want. And I can comment on it as I see fit. The last Apple device I owned was an iPod with a spinny hard drive in it.
The question is how removing a popular feature with no benefit in exchange helps them win marketshare when their brand is slipping.
Faemn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:13:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People were similarly outraged when they removed 30-pin apple connectors... we'll see how this turns out.
I'm not an iPhone user (GS7e) but honestly I feel like the people at Apple are far smarter than people give them credit for. If they didn't absolutely know this was the right call for their brand/phone they would not have shipped this as a baseline. They probably have plans or some form of scheme to make this work better than we think (?) Who knows maybe this is the first iPhone that absolute bombs and shits the bed. Somehow I don't think that'll be true tho
munche ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:25:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We'll see. Sony tried this whole idea 10-20 years ago with locking people to their brand with proprietary everything. It worked for a while when people had it in their mind that Sony was the best. Then people lost enthusiasm for Sony, and their consumer electronics business tanked as a result.
As a layperson, it looks like Apple is making a thinly veiled attempt to force people into buying more headphones after they bought a headphone company. It'll probably work for a while, and a small percentage of people will abandon ship over to Android. But tricking customers into sticking with you while doing nothing to win new customers isn't a way to gain marketshare. Apple has marketshare to burn, but you know what, Sony did too in 1999.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:00:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can deny. Sibling works at Apple in Cupetino and drives 2007 CRV. He still uses an aux cord.
thomascgalvin ยท 488 points ยท Posted at 00:23:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The kind where you get to buy a $20 splitter so you can charge and listen at the same time.
[deleted] ยท 665 points ยท Posted at 00:58:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
*$60
Zashmaster ยท 208 points ยท Posted at 01:31:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
*$200
dhotlo2 ยท 193 points ยท Posted at 01:34:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
$3000 * after R&d costs
Kovah01 ยท 661 points ยท Posted at 01:52:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
$6000 with a Epi-pen attachment.
yousakura ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 04:02:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
18000$ after Pearson puts an "educational" sticker on it
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:15:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
$5999 if using generic epi-pen
(I know my rights. Yeah reddit!)
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 02:35:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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-kljasd- ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 03:03:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Showing off your latest iPhone 7: Priceless
/s
spockspeare ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:15:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's an iPhone 6 with the 6 scratched off and a 7 written-in in crayon.
SkyezOpen ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:37:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And the headphone jack ripped out with pliers..
Johndough99999 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:15:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You gave me cancer.
Is there an epipen, spliter and cancer cure combo?
RonaldTiedeken ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:20:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I see what you did there
yuno4chan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:43:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Best add on comment of the month (so far.)
pyrocrastinator ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:43:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably still $6000. If it's white and comes in a big box with a monochrome fruit on it.
Kovah01 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:47:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I remember when my apples were multi-colour. Apparently Apple decided to remove that feature too.
hexane360 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:16:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And that's before Martin Shkreli gets his hands on it.
Towaum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:00:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dank.
SunosUnix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:24:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
$8100 for the Apple iAmplifier ยฉ version
streamlined_ ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:51:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking Shkreli.
Motivatedformyfuture ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Make that R&D marketing instead and you have some sweet new Beats.
lnsetick ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:35:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hear those offer 10 times the gigaflaps of transfer speed using patented Titanium Encabulation technology, so I think it's worth the money
compelx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:50:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, the outer casing of the adapter is made from prefabulated amulite. Guarantees superb reliability and performance.
gladamirflint ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:41:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At least they're not lying when they say it's pure silver wire/sheathing. It just doesn't make it any better.
STIPULATE ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:35:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
iSplitTM
gbhv ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:39:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This guy thinks different.
GenericBlurb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:41:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is this just a guess or is this an actual figure? I've heard people say $60 exactly like it's a fact maybe I'm missing something.
gharbutts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:05:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You might as well find it from a sweatshop in China for $2.99, it's all slave labor.
portage ยท 197 points ยท Posted at 01:15:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It would be called a dongle, not a splitter. Anything that was previously built in but then removed, the resulting kludge is called a dongle.
thomascgalvin ยท 140 points ยท Posted at 01:31:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can we compromise on iFucker?
Respubliko ยท 74 points ยท Posted at 01:37:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
We're talking about a dongle, not your mother.
Edit: A "your mom" joke shouldn't be getting this many upvotes Reddit. What the fuck. Downvote this shit. I want negative numbers by 08:00.
thomascgalvin ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 01:51:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
HOW DARE YOU SIR? That would be the iWhore.
The_Man_on_the_Wall ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:12:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
iWhores get paid for their work. More like iSlut
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:23:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No no. iWhore is what she says is her profession.
BetterThanA_Stick ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:07:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As you wish
slingmustard ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:17:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
iLMAO
finch221 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:02:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck you. Here's an upvote.
Fnhatic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:52:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How about iDiot because that's what you'd have to be to buy this stupid fucking phone.
Literally the only reason is breathtakingly stupid brand loyalty.
TexanInExile ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:54:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, because he's technically correct and, as we all know, it's the best kind of correct.
EnclaveHunter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:18:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We need the fruit from Gta V. The future is here to dock.
Khamomile ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:14:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
iFucker? I barely know her! badum tsh
braytag ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:18:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
you shouldn't joke about a dongle.... could get you fired!
rightinthedome ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:02:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's also much more fun to say "dongle"
erie21594 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:09:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'll give you my dongle for free...
YogiNurse ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:58:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Looks more like a USB Dongle Goblin!!"
zombie_JFK ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:09:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Really? My friend worked at avid and had a USB stick that gave permission to use the program and we called it a dongle. Were we using the wrong term?
diddatweet ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:21:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's an interesting way of looking at it. Would you call a thumb drive a dongle?
gladamirflint ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:41:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I call a thumb drive a "flash memory stick" but those Bluetooth wireless adapters that barely poke out of the USB port, I call dongles.
tl;dr wireless connectivity USB devices are "dongles"
E1294726gerw-090 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:26:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a storage dongle! /s
nicksupe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:44:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
that might be sarcasm, but I believe you anyway
ZenEngineer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:56:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, it's a small floppy disk
OfficialSRSRep ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:11:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i would like to fork that dongle.
Moose_And_Squirrel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:24:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The first dongles I encountered were serial port keys for DRM of software. That excludes your theory, however your theory does not exclude this use of dongles.
Arkanial ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:38:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The real question is will the new Plumbus have a dongle port or will it only support kringle2.0.
lkodl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:32:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i thought it was called the grundle.
guardsanswer ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:33:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Huh. Motorola's MotoZ and Z Force both made the switch to no aux ports and were released over a month ago but you can buy a replacement dongle for them for ~$5
thomascgalvin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:51:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is theirs built with love in Cupertino? Does it come in a nice white box? THEN IT'S SHIT.
guardsanswer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:09:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
... The box might be white
OminousG ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:02:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're not getting a lightning dongle for $5 thats Apple approved, and they started blocking non-approved dongles several ios updates ago. Apple blames cheap and incorrectly built dongle and accessories for the lock down.
You could be close though, replacement audio dongles are $9 (but currently not for sale). http://www.apple.com/shop/product/MMX62AM/A/lightning-to-35-mm-headphone-jack-adapter?fnode=97
guardsanswer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah the Z uses a USB C port and so far I've only been able to find them from a 3rd party. They're kinda hard to find though.
thatotherguy321 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:41:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
or the $160 Airpods. They're just bluetooth earbuds.
shadow_shooter ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:42:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Even better pay for "wireless" earbuds for $149, which just happened to come out at the same time they got rid of earphone jack.
ohmanyouresosmart ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:07:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Something else to keep up with.
redsox371 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:01:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Have you guys never heard of a lightning cable aux cord that already exists? I use it in my car all the time with the 6s, charges and plays music on one cord. People complaining that Apple is killing the aux cord, no they aren't. Just use a lightning cable aux that already exists.
Landrin201 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:13:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But now we are back to another debate: I am on a plane. I brought a backup battery to charge the phone with. The phone is almost dead. I am listening to music because I'm on a plane. I don't have bluetooth headphones because I literally have no need of them for any other device I own, plus the audio quality isn't as good. Now what?
redsox371 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:12:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is a valid problem that I do not have an answer to, other than don't buy the new iPhone. I sought to answer the aux cord problem but like your situation, it would not work both ways.
smokemarajuana ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:00:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
$100 wireless adaptor
jayy42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:38:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
$5 monoprice knockoff
BonerMalone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:17:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
SPLITTER! https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xRvCwtLLV6I
TurquoiseXWonderland ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:20:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I shouldn't have to do that. My phone should have two different areas for charging and ear buds
legayredditmodditors ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:42:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
afaik there aren't any apple lightning splitter connectors
RickAndMorty_forever ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:52:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So I have to buy more shit. Okay.
Throwaway_Consoles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:53:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or just use a USB cable.
RebornPastafarian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:14:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I do that I get a gloriously loud screech of feedback. iPhones and Android phones do it. Have to use a portable battery to charge while listening in the car.
Gangringo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:04:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not saying that's something I wouldn't buy, just for the convenience factor of only having one cable, but the annoying thing is that it will be the only option.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:45:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I dont think that will work bc the charging will interfere with the sound
canihelpyoubreakthat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:36:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, this is not unavoidable
kantFTW ยท 66 points ยท Posted at 01:28:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a courageous one.
H2iK ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:58:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It takes courage to intentionally be a fuck-up.
rumborak ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:42:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You obviously have to upgrade your car to one that supports Apple Car.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 02:40:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can buy a $20 bluetooth dongle that will receive audio for you. I use this one and I LOVE it. I plug it into my computer speakers, car radio AUX port, or my headphones directly! Cheap, quality bluetooth. Losing the 3.5mm isn't the biggest deal in the world at this point. It's a minor annoyance depending on your lifestyle though. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01IDEZ3YW
hajamieli ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:49:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I second this, I have BT to FM radio in my old car (no AUX, C-cassette adapters suck), BT to 3.5mm jack for old headphones, new headphones with BT. Those adapters are the only adapters you need, they're affordable and improve the quality of life. If battery life is important, there are portable ones with more than enough of battery life (outlasts any phone battery). I have practically not used the 3.5mm jack since iPhone 4.
vitaminz1990 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:52:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have a similar Bluetooth adapter. I stuck it on my dash and can now take phone calls and listen to music without a problem.
MrStu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:33:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I use this in my new car, it was far cheaper than the dealer option to put it on the car, and works just as well.
YELLHEAH ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:30:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you so much for posting this. Believe it or not, I am considering upgrading to the 7, but I haven't for the life of me been able to come up with a viable solution to charging AND playing music in a pre-Bluetooth car. This may have solved that, if I end up going that route.
focus_powa ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:00:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I find it sounds louder and with more base when it's plugged in rather than Bluetooth.
Solomanrosenburg ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:21:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As an audio engineer, I can tell you that you are 100% correct. Bluetooth is absolutely inferior sounding.
fightersfoo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:55:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The adapter comes with it at least
ClassifiedClothing ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:05:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It should be able to play music through the USB too
UndeadBread ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:45:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's what I assumed with my new car, but for the life of me, I can't figure it out. It can supposedly play songs from an iPod, so I figured my phone would work just fine. I have to go read that damn manual.
whatyouthink ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:29:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I plug my iphone directly into my cars usb port. It plays music directly from my phone and I can control it from my stereo.
Having two cords and reaching for my phone to change the song doesn't get me nostalgic
gellis12 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:04:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The stock radio in my car had a 6-disc cd player, and a cassette player. I swapped it out for an aftermarket stereo with bluetooth that I got for $30 on Amazon. I was dumb and didn't buy the mounting kit at the same time, so Canadian Tire charged me $35 for that.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:44:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
$109.99
Brought to you by Appleยฎ
Texel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:08:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
honestly - were I in your position I'd prefer that I could join the aux / power cables together and only have to plug in one cable when I get in the car. Having to plug in two cables bugged me for a long time, enough to the point that I bought a head unit with a USB input just so I could plug in the USB alone.
TheGrandPigin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:12:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But Wait! We have an adapter!...
LOCHO53 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:15:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Give this a go. It's life changing. I have one in my 05 Freestyle.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:54:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just wait for iVehicle
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:45:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As well, the sound quality over Bluetooth is abysmal compared to the aux jack. Although the aptX protocol for Bluetooth is a significant improvement, both the sending and receiving unit need the hardware to support it. I haven't read anything yet about the iPhone 7 supporting it, and most people can't just upgrade their headunit in the car.
ChaseballBat ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:37:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can buy bluetooth adapters for an aux cord....you don't have to replace your car radio.
shenanigansintensify ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:44:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not overly techie or handy and I did mine for $80 off amazon - I can't really tell the difference in quality with bluetooth and it's nice being able to answer calls without holding my phone.
nsfw_thunder_twat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:33:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had the same lack of Bluetooth streaming in my 07 TL-S. I just got the Blackberry Music gateway and it fixed all my issues. You should look into it. Neat $25 US
Slannar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:40:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Uhh buy a new car? Seems super obvious dude. Apple is developing one as we speak... Probably would be very compatible with the next iPhone and potentially even the one after.
Bactine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:42:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They have Bluetooth receivers now that plus into your aux port. I got them for both of my Cars on amazon
CalebDK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:43:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My car has aux and bluetooth. I use the aux because sound quality is better. Only use bluetooth for phone calls.
Zajdo1993 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:44:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Grow a spine and purchase a new car. People like you are dragging society back, clearly.
Show some courage. Apple's shareholders are counting on you.
Masstaff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:47:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, why wouldn't you just use the usb port then and kill two birds with one stone?
vodkanow1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:48:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
With an IPhone you can plug your phone into your car with the lightning cable and it will play music and charge the phone.... No headphone jack needed. I use it daily!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:48:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Use the USB port. . .
Earendur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:49:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know, the whole iphone thing aside, a bluetooth capable deck can be bought as cheaply as like 100 bucks. Installation at most places is 80 bucks or less. You can do it yourself if you're feeling adventurous and can find some example videos online.
I've never owned a vehicle newer than 2004 and I've been rocking bluetooth for at least 6 years.
gr00ve88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:50:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Not that I am supporting Apple's phone, I am the last thing from an Apple fanboy, but I do have to hand it to Apple as far as being a leader in technological movements. It's kind of like that quote from Ford, "If I asked them what they wanted, they'd say faster horses." I feel like that applies here. They frequently push technology towards the mainstream, and lets be honest, in the future, once battery tech really comes up, I'd say most things will start becoming wireless. This is just a series of small pushes in that direction. This is going to be the one people remember in 20 years and laugh at.. "Battery pack for your headphones??? lmao"
Sure, right now though, it's an inconvenience.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:50:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My car is a 2012 and doesn't have bluetooth.
dougmpls3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:51:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bluetooth
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:51:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apple is dumb, but for 12 to 20$ you can add a bluetooth dongle that plugs into your car's Aux port. I use one along wireless charging port so that I never have to fuck with cords in the car.... a pet peeve of mine
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:52:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My 2006 Infiniti have a aux input. No usb either. I feel the pain.
DigitaLegend ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:53:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Buy a Bluetooth to 3.5 receiver on Amazon. Plug it into your 3.5 jack on the car. Now your car is Bluetooth capable. O did this when my jack on my lg g4 got messed up. I use it with my new phone now because I love it.
ProfessorWeeto ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:54:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Poor baby, you realize they make devices that allow you to plug a Bluetooth adapter into your aux cable so that it works wirelessly.
Enjoy your inferior android phone, nerd
zampe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:57:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If your car has USB ports it should be able to play the audio through them
osirisad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:57:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.amazon.com/Mpow-Bluetooth-Receiver-Streambot-Hands-Free/dp/B00MJMV0GU/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1473303342&sr=1-3&keywords=Bluetooth+adapter
5kyl3r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:01:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or you spend $12 on amazon to get a bluetooth car kit that you plug into your AUX port in your car.
zagnuts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:01:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just plug it into the USB port? Then it will charge and be connected to your car...
ATL_LAX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:05:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Check if your car has the capability to plug in a usb and play music, a lot of my friends cars have that function with even today's iPhones.
But I guess it doesn't matter to you since you have an android.
raddits ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:07:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can buy a Bluetooth auxiliary connection thingy for like 10 bucks
teh_tg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:07:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can add Bluetooth to your car, even if it's 1908 or 1909. Shop around if it makes sense.
Baltowolf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:10:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They also make Bluetooth Aug adapters. But obviously they cost more than a regular cable. But you did buy an Apple device so Apple clearly assumes you're affluent and ready to drop dumb amounts on basic features. Lel.
BuzzBadpants ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:10:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can get Bluetooth receivers that plug into the aux port. I use one all the time and it's super convenient to me to not have to plug anything in and out in the car. Also does handsfree calling too, but the call quality is really bad though.
OnwardUnknowing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:12:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If for some reason the iPhone was suddenly very appealing to you, you can buy great Bluetooth fm transmitters for your bluetoothless car. There are ways around it. It's just still a ridiculous decision.
spockspeare ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:14:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My car is 09. It has an aux port but no USB, but it does have bluetooth.
I'm never buying an Apple product, but this isn't what's stopping me.
LAthrowaway999 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:14:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're clearly outside of the Apple demographic at this time.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:16:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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dem_banka ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:16:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Entire car just for Bluetooth? LOL, Bluetooth adapters are $20
Hurrektcane ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:17:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My car is an 09, it's not that hard to get a Bluetooth radio to replace your stock unit, mine cost less than $100 for all the parts and installation isn't too hard
Gonorrh3a ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:17:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You could also buy a Bluetooth adapter for your aux port. Solves the problem
FuckOffMrLahey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:17:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A new radio with Bluetooth is like $35. Add-on the harness and dash kit for like another $20. Or just get a Bluetooth to Aux adapter for like $10.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:19:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
An intentional one to force their propriety bullshit?
diego97yey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:20:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A solution i did with my first car a 2002 civic that i still drive, is install a Bluetooth stereo unit. Replace the shitty factory stereo. I now have bluetooth, hands free calling and i cool blue led stereo
0123RedditUser ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:22:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The iPhone comes included with a lightning to headphone adapter.
I_1234 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:23:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can't you plug it into the USB and have it charge?
robledog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:24:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same here they better sell a splitter
GringoGoneWild ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:24:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Buy a newer car, get a new radio with carplay, oh i don't know... come join us in 2016.
Nervette ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:25:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My car is a '95. I have a tape deck and a cigarette lighter. I can still charge and listen to music with an Android. All hail backwards compatibility.
twosummer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:25:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think the only reasonable course of action is for you to return the iPhone that you didn't get.
mrbooze ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:26:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One not for you apparently. I guess you buy a different widget than this widget while all the other people who don't need it buy different widgets.
I don't want to shock anyone, but after extensive economic analysis it turns out that not all widgets are for you. Some widgets are for other people.
Idontknow_whattodo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:26:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Get a Bluetooth adapter with an aux jack. Stop plugging your shit in.
BacillicideTheSecond ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:26:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
calm down it has an adapter with it and if you have an iphone 6s or below it doesn't matter. Nobody HAS to buy a new phone just because it's the new model
UnhelpfulMoron ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:29:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure you were already going to stick with your android by the tone of your post.
If not and you did get the iPhone 7, it comes with the adapter bundled in the box so literally nothing would change for you.
Coldfryz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:30:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well then use the USB to play music and charge at the same time with the same cable.
Made_in_Murica ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:31:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you can afford a $650+ phone you can afford this
Belkin Bluetooth Car Hands-Free Kit for Apple iPhone, iPod, BlackBerry,and Android Smartphones https://www.amazon.com/dp/B004EHZUYG/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_TTn0xb9BE99BV
ChaseballBat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:33:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No one is asking you to buy a new car....even if you were held at gunpoint to switch to a phone with out an aux you wouldn't need to get a new car. There are plenty of $100 or less car radios with Bluetooth... Or buy a $10 Bluetooth adapter for the aux or USB. Stop overreacting yo...
canihelpyoubreakthat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:34:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So now you will have to just plug in 1 cord that does the work of 2. Sounds horrible.
Make_7_up_YOURS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:34:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Aux bluetooth dongle for 20 bucks on amazon works great in my 07 prius.
airmoz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:34:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not that hard bro... here you go: https://www.amazon.com/Okra-Portable-Bluetooth-Receiver-Headphones/dp/B00N9HDQKW
radradio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:35:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey! I bought a 20 dollar bluetooth to aux receiver for my car. Works like wonders. I also created a task to run spotify automatically and start playing it when it connects to the receiver. It is beautiful!
metarugia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:35:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, you could get a Bluetooth adapter. I doubt your car has a hi-fi setup that you'd notice the change in quality. Android or not, it's one less cable.
ColossalJuggernaut ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:36:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously, I have baseline 2011 Honda CRV and it has an aux port. That's it. No USB. It is crazy to me Apple made this change.
RomulusRuss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:38:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Boy, talk about your first world problems
austindailey15 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:39:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know the iPhone 7 comes with an adapter so that you can use normal headphones, right?
That1one_guy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:41:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have a 2012 Jetta and still has only aux for some dumb fuck reason. I use a Bluetooth adopter though and works great. Surprised many people don't know about them. link to adapter https://amzn.com/B013QJ0W8Q
Alex014 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:42:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They sell Bluetooth adapters that plug into your aux port but I see where you're coming from
tekdemon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:42:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
If you gave an aux port it's very easy to add a Bluetooth adapter for $10-35 depending on the specific model. I've been using the Kinivo BTC450 that I paid $25 for although I guess with all the iPhone 7 panicking the Amazon price is a bit higher now lol Belkin makes one as well and there's random generic ones for as cheap as $10. Made a world of difference in my 2003 car though I had to actually add an aux input cuz it was so old.
So it's not an expensive problem to solve but I think Apple might need to carry these in store for people.
The real problem is with places I have no control like hotel room speakers and rental cars where there might only be aux input. Bluetooth audio also has some lag so it's also shitty to be forced into weird proprietary apple headphones
aknutty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:48:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I see your problem. Your too poor! You should get more money so you don't have to have an older car that won't work with the newest iPhone. This is your fault.
Hejie023 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:49:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's called apple music
ilikelogic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:57:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Order this. Less than $5 and it will give your car bluetooth. It turns on and off with the car, super slick.
SMofJesus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:00:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In comes the age of the renewed age of port hubs. Whole reason why I was super fucking excited for Project ARA. Need an audio Jack for a trip? Put in a DAC, or once it's cheap enough an Optical module. Still has the one USB port but now I can use any damn port from the phone I want, all I need I'd the right module. Google should have stuck with the project. Moto Mods and Alphabet reining in the budget are why we aren't getting Project ARA anymore. I hope some of from the team jumps ship and gets a new company going.
LiquidCaravan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:11:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I use a Kinovo bluetooth thing in my car and it works great. Requires cigarette lighter power and an aux input to the car.
caminator ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:13:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have a car with only an aux input and got this Bluetooth kit from Amazon a few years ago because I was annoyed having to take my phone out of my pocket and plug it in. https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B009NLTW60/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1473292178&sr=8-3&pi=SX200_QL40&keywords=kinivo&dpPl=1&dpID=41Ij%2BFpRa9L&ref=plSrch
It's been well worth the small cost. My phone connects automatically to it when I turn on the car, it's got pause/play, track skip and it activates Siri. You also place the button wherever you want, I have it next to the steering column behind the windshield wiper stick or whatever on the right side. Been one of my better purchases.
dejacoup ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:13:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have a 2002 Toyota Camry. I guess I can just listen to the radio?? :(
onlyCulturallyMormon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:15:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Buy a cheap bluetooth to aux adapter for your car. I did even before the removal of the aux jack. Because I'm not a caveman and I don't use caveman cables.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:15:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why not just plug into the USB port and play your music that way?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:20:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I bought a $5 bluetooth plug that connects to my car's aux.
AnthonyTheChamp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:32:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Last time I checked most cars with USB ports can charge and play data . At least in my friends 06 civic he can . If the car is iPod ready then you have no issues playing music over the port
solepsis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:33:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Plug it in with USB maybe? Charging and playing at the same time in only one cable!
jgreg728 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:36:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait I'm confused if your car has USB why wouldn't that solve the problem? I use USB to charge AND play everyday. For years.
Xerox- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:38:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Aye? If your car has a USB port can't you just plug your phone in through that and listen + charge at the same time? That's what I do in 2 of my vehicles
ajc1239 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:39:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or just buy a new stereo for your car. Had to do it for mine because all my 2001 had was a damn cassette player.
IamDanimals ยท 3178 points ยท Posted at 23:01:50 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They should change the slogan at Apple to: "We try to fix things that were never broken."
kojak2091 ยท 965 points ยท Posted at 01:33:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
The University of Michigan had an Athletic Director (the guy who is basically CEO of the athletic department of the university) who has a philosophy of "if it ain't broke, break it." The core of the idea is to make sure you're always innovating, but in practice you just end up breaking everything and end up taking an institution that had a massive waitlist to pay thousands for season tickets to the point of giving away tickets for the purchase of soft drinks.
tl;dr: "If it ain't broke, break it" is a shit philosophy.
edit: By the way, breaking/removing something and adding absolutely nothing new is not the same as innovating or "inventing a car instead of a horse-drawn carriage." The philosophy sucks because it pushes you not to innovate but rather to destroy in the hopes that you'll force yourself to innovate. Ford didn't say, "Hmm this horse-drawn cart thing is perfectly fine, let me take the part you sit on off and change nothing else." He said, "wow this automobile invention that already existed isn't quite good enough yet, let me make it able to be sold to the masses."
mynumberistwentynine ยท 222 points ยท Posted at 01:47:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dave Brandon was his name. As a big CFB fan it was interesting seeing the headlines his decisions made during his tenure.
kojak2091 ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 01:51:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yup, big Michigan fan personally. John U. Bacon's book provides a lot of interesting insight.
USOutpost31 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:49:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm in AA now and I just am not into sports, but it's sad to see my once-great Flagship school brought low.
Harbaugh seems like a badass, tho. He beat up on those Rainbow Warriors, and lost by a snap to those evil green people from the hinterlands of the state.
I don't know what he's doing about the Leprechauns, though.
Also, is it a coincidence that the two main football rivals are drunken green-type teams? Can't be coincidence.
Then I heard something about Ohio, but no one takes that place seriously so I can't believe they're an actual rival. Seems a joke, really. Ohio... "We're bland!"
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:50:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Something about winning, probably. Michigan forgot to take that seriously.
N3rdLink ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 02:44:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Buy a Coke get a free football ticket.
IAmBetteeThanU ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:19:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was 2 coke products. I actually worked at U-Go's and handed out several of the tickets. You could buy 2 Dasani waters ($3 total) and get a ticket to the game. I took my entire family lol.
eskaza ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:01:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How the fuck are Dasani a $1.50 in this scenario?
IAmBetteeThanU ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:58:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My b. Cokes were $1.50 and the Dasani were $1.25. It was a while ago. But yeah, bottled water is stupid expensive if you buy it on campus.
Nakateconroy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:09:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So happy that he's gone.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:48:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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retnuh730 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:52:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't get him going. You're gonna get Harbaughed into submission. Until November when he loses by 30 again.
Nakateconroy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:57:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not as crazy about Harbaugh as everyone else. But Christ, am I hopeful.
retnuh730 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:38:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I liked Harbaugh when he first got to Michigan. I don't really hate him as much as he's annoying to me, but granted if he was my coach I would probably love his intensity.
slaight461 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:54:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If there is one thing the internet has taught me, it's that you can never trust someone with two first names.
Conis22 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:57:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But then...................HARBAUGH
Jarmanuel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:53:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Harbaugh is the coach though, not the athletic director.
Conis22 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:06:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know, but who hired him and as a result how are ticket sales doing.
TremendousTiger ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:03:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Obligatory fuck Dave Brandon
D-Whadd ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:44:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't listen to to him Dave, you're the best! Sincerely, Ohio State Fan
SpartyEsq ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:14:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Personally, I'm a big fan. Dave Brandon was a huge boon to the Michigan State community. ;)
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:41:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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dontpeeonmejosh ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:48:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
New favorite .jpg response.
Edit: tangent, it's a trigonometry joke.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:52:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:59:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe the guy's story was going off on a tangent? I don't really get it either.
IAmBetteeThanU ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:20:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, that would be the joke.
odie4evr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:29:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh. Heh. I get it.
AosudiF1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:41:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's a phrase to frame, right there
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:52:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Reminds me of those entrepreneurial "disruptors" that major corporations pay morons millions of dollars to nurture.
Oh, wait.
mobearsdog ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:55:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Brandon's slogan was more like "if it's not broken let me break it".
kojak2091 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:57:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The quote is take directly from "Endzone: The Rise, Fall, and Return of Michigan Football" by John U. Bacon.
mobearsdog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:00:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
That's because Bacon is a well respect professional who cant go around calling Dave Brandon a greedy asshole, but I'll do it for him.
I actually read the original post wrong anyways... I plead temporary insanity. Thinking of the brandon/hoke combo fried my brain
zebrahippos ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:12:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
John U. Bacon is a Michigan treasure.
N3rdLink ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:44:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He was also the president of domino's and now at toys r us if I recall correctly.
porkyboy11 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:57:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like when I mod skyrim.
bluejackets722 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:58:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Man, do I miss Rich Rod and Brady Hoke.
drgreen818 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:13:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Their football team is doing fine? Tickets sell out regularly
chayatoure ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:14:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What exactly did he do?
The_Man_on_the_Wall ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:17:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love Dave Brandon as much as I love Brady Hoke.
Go Bucks!
IAmBetteeThanU ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:17:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I graduated from Michigan, and worked at the store that was running this promotion. It's called U-Go's. We ran out of tickets in a few hours (people didn't know we were running it at first but news spread quickly). It was a deal with Coke and U-Go's general manager. Dave Brandon had nothing to do with it.
DoctorHeckle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:19:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eagles fan here, can confirm.
OathOfFeanor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:41:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Computer hardware and software development are very different worlds than sports that have been around for 120+ years.
I am not defending Apple's decision here. It sucks and is going to screw me over because my car only has an aux input and no Bluetooth or USB.
But still, if you don't try to innovate in technology you become fucking Kodak (developed the first digital camera, but thought film would live forever so they didn't pursue the technology, missing out on many billions of dollars). You MUST follow the "if it ain't broke, break it" philosophy in technology or you will always be a follower and never a leader. Rapidly-developing technologies create industries where you absolutely cannot rest on your laurels and what has worked in the past.
brads005 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:46:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So true. The only way that this philosophy works is if you have a true innovator at the helm. Steve Jobs might not have done any of the actual work to make his creations a reality, but his ridiculous ideas and demands ended up making his company a behemoth. Of course, he had the best and brightest doing the legwork for him too. In every situation where things get ruined, the person in charge wasn't the innovator they thought they were.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:59:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Horses and carriages work perfectly fine. I don't know why people don't try to push these horseless carriages on me. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
DirkNord ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:02:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Its like the polar opposite of the Bill Gates quote "โI choose a lazy person to do a hard job. Because a lazy person will find an easy way to do it.โ
SeaGuardiian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:06:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
O-H!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:07:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did anyone in this thread even watch the Apple press event today? They even talked about it. If you're a football coach and are gonna have a short career making a ton of money, yeah don't break the system, make your money and get out. If you're in a STEM field, what do people think innovation is, and how some companies stay on top while others stagnate and die? Do you still use MS-DOS? That was incredibly successful at the time, and Windows looks nothing like it in 2016, while football from the 80s looks similar to football now. It's literally the purpose of business and moving forward as a human race, or I mean you can sit back and make your minimum wage if you want to do the same things over and over again.
butt-guy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:10:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeahhhh, an action mind-set where you think that there needs to be constant changing or "evolving" in an organization will lead to anarchy.
Interestingly enough I just wrote a paper about this.
kittyportals2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:19:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The key word there is "had". Do NOT piss off the largest living alumni body in the country.
Childish_Gamboner ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:04:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just graduated from OSU in May. I miss David Brandon =(
chipmandal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:23:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
right.. so we should be still riding on the horse and buggy? It worked fine before cars...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:57:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I worked for UM while that was going down. So true.
jkmhawk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:57:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
it actually works pretty well for netflix.
LexaBinsr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:55:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No it isn't. As a company you always have to innovate. If you don't innovate you get stomped over by the competitors that do. Innovating IS risky but you have to play it SMART. I am not an Apple fan but the first iPhone presentation will always be a great video because of how innovative things were back then.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hUIxyE2Ns8
The PROBLEM isn't if it ain't broke break it.. it is the fact that when they DO break what they are breaking they aren't adding anything better to it but making it worse.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:51:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
that depends whether your goal is to win or whether your goal is to create something new.
kojak2091 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:52:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You shouldn't break things in order to do either. You can improve and innovate without breaking. If you feel you need to break something to figure out how to make it better, you're not going to succeed unless you get lucky.
Zeus1325 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:52:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Their athletic director should've talked with someone, anyone from Ross...
kojak2091 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:55:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
IIRC Ross himself backed Brandon, but I got the impression that Ross wasn't terribly involved and was just supporting the university he's dumped millions into.
zebrahippos ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:08:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck David Brandon. That's it. Fuck that guy. He's an asshole of the highest order... I'm not a Wolverine. I don't know what you are talking about.
heisenbergerwcheese ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:08:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You talkin bout that Sandusky dude that used to fuck little boys' bungholes?
rwt711 ยท 58 points ยท Posted at 01:34:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The little slip of paper that falls from the box... "You never really had a real first world problem, until now"
[deleted] ยท 111 points ยท Posted at 01:30:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
B-but two full sized speakers! Didn't you want that?
RavenousPonies ยท 312 points ยท Posted at 01:37:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Already got that, and a 3.5mm port. Nexus 6P
blamb211 ยท 142 points ยท Posted at 01:56:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nexus master race, bitches.
canonymous ยท 77 points ยท Posted at 02:39:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
RIP Nexus master race, 2010-2016.
xelanil ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 03:04:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pixel master race will carry the torch
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:11:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Come here my delicious rainbow lightbar.
YipRocHeresy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:14:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Have they announced a release date yet?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:15:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah. The lightbar might not even be a thing either, but I'm being hopeful since the other pixel devices had it.
Minsc__and__Boo ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:37:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pixel 2 user here. Light bar is best bar.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:39:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm hoping they make it in a very tiny screen or something and make it fully customizable. Can you imagine a custom ROM or even a innate Google implementation that pulses based on the music you're listening to? oH mygod. google pls.
pipedream- ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:20:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
October 20th. It'll be revealed Oct 4th.
blamb211 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:43:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm actually looking forward to the Pixel phones. My past three (before my Nexus) have been HTC, I'd love to upgrade.
QuantumQuantonium ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:01:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's still 2016
spiral6 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:57:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And still dead. RIP
jpark28 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:10:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck yeah!
brovakattack ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:54:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yay!!! Same team!
swashbucklerjak ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:45:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pixel master race
CorvetteCole ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:01:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/googlepixel
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:50:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fellow 6p owner. Fuck everything else!
grigby ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:59:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Woah der. S7 is pretty damn great. If it had a USB C and less angle on the front camera it would be perfect in my book.
jaboober ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 02:03:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
With less bezel, a larger battery and higher res screen.
13EchoTango ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:06:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bezeled bevel, or beveled bezel?
Isogen_ ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:11:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why the bloody hell do you need a higher res screen on the 6P!?!?! VR?
grigby ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:57:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have an s7 which has the same resolution as a 6p and yet a smaller screen. It's fucking beautiful. I literally cannot see any individual pixels without a magnifying glass. Seems apple is sticking with their retina level density on the 7, which never impressed me much except when I upgraded from a ipod touch 2nd Gen to an iPhone 5 back in 2012. Looked it up and the 7 has a quarter the pixels as my s7 in pretty much the same physical size. I guess it would help in battery life a little bit if, though not as pronounced because of black colours of Android amoled screens. Also, amoled is amazing. Blacks are actually black, even at full brightness.
jaboober ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:06:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Says someone stuck in the past...
Isogen_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:19:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
2560x1440 is more than enough on a 6" screen.
jaboober ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:43:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought so too, but going from the OnePlus One 5.5 inch 1080P screen to the 6P's higher resolution, amoled screen has been night and day. The superior blacks and contrast are just as much to thank for that as the higher resolution, everything just pops and has a brilliant wow factor to it. I have a properly calibrated TV and monitor for colour accuracy, that's not important on a mobile device IMO. The 6S screen is pedestrian at best and I'm assuming the 7 is more of the same mid-range for premium price.
Isogen_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:52:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
What are you even saying? I said 6P in my OP. I said nothing about a 6S. That's what my comment was about... I don't think you need more than 2560x1440 on a 6" screen unless you're thinking of doing Daydream/VR stuff.
There's little to gain from increasing resolution and by extension, PPI on a 6" screen unless you're aiming for VR. In which case, mobile VR is going to be rather underwhelming.
EvrythingISayIsRight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:04:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
6Ps only weakpoint: the bend test
YottaPiggy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:01:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Reading this on my 6P โค๏ธ
WindforceGTX970 ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 01:33:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I want a auto jack port
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:38:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You will never get that. Ever.
Copyblade ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:52:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I want a port I can jack into... wait.
Helreaver ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:41:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well then wait til you see the iPhone 8! Pre-order now!
maybebaked ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:06:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It won't even have buttons. You will have to control it with the iWatch.
squrr1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Japan exclusive.
WindforceGTX970 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:11:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know your fucked when the country that got nuked twice is better than yours.
colonialsprinkle ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:39:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
HTC already gave us that...
gellis12 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 01:54:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If only it wasn't uglier than a middle aged hookers hairy asshole.
colonialsprinkle ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:03:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I quite like the look of my M8 and think the HTC 10 is actually kinda sexy. But you know, opinions.
The Moto Z tho... holy shit that looks great.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:47:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Like the htc m8 from 2013?
03Titanium ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:41:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
150 people want stereo speakers. Make it happen
150 million people want headphone jack. Cut it.
TurquoiseXWonderland ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:22:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No. That's what speakers are for.... I want a phone not a sound system
FFevo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:45:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not on the top and bottom...
david0990 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:46:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why not both? My idol 3 has two front facing 1.3W speakers AND a 3.5mm jack.
Original-Newbie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:46:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm the 1%
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:31:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow guys Apple is so innovative! Adding features that HTC had on the One M7 like 4 years ago.
DarrSwan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:24:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're still not facing the user though. It's so annoying to have to cup your hand around one end of your phone. I miss my Xperia...
jaredjeya ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:39:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When do I ever need sound that loud from the phone? If I wanted good-quality sound out loud, I'd bring external speakers (some of which use the aux jack). But most of the time, I'll just plug in earphones.
HoofaKingFarted ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:38:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously. What's wrong with wired headphones? I have a pair of decent Bluetooth earbuds and I rarely use them, because the wired buds I have (which are just the Samsung ones I got with my phone) sound just as good (subjective), never have to be charged, and are compatible with all of the older technology I still have.
Mechanicalmind ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:22:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The only device I use to listen to music from my phone when I'm not in my car is an AKG headset. A wired one. And no way in fucking hell I'm switching to wireless. Not today. Not ever.
dzamir ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 08:23:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What's wrong with wired mouse and keyboard?
What's wrong with wired phones?
What's wrong with wired ethernet?
giggle_water ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 10:04:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I still literally use all of those things and they have their advantages.
heinous_anus- ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:41:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"We remove features in order to get you to buy more of our products."
Cpapa97 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:48:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You never know, maybe someone told then that their audio jack was broken and Apple went above and beyond to repair the situation.
Fnhatic ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:08:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My favorite part of the $160 AirPods is that you're almost guaranteed to lose one of them within a month.
If you have a cat, a week.
If you have a two year old, a day. And probably a hospital trip.
SuperLuigi9624 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:50:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't remember what this quote is from, but...
"Here at Apple, we always say - "If it ain't broke, say it's obselete and do it again. Profit!"
vibrate ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:07:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The same outcry happened over removing Firewire ports in the MacBooks, and removing DVD drives, and removing mini-DVI, and moving to USB etc etc
The world keeps turning.
jrpjesus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:24:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How can you leave off the time that they had the audacity to manufacture a desktop computer without a floppy drive?
Cory123125 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:08:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The "fix" part should be in italics.
shadow763 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:12:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's this sort of thinking that does stifle innovation. The whole "faster horse" thing. Everyone would still be using smartphones with a billion buttons.
The headset jack is as old as can be. Times are a changing. If you need it that bad use the included adapter.
YoungHeartsAmerica ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:38:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Like the time they made a phone without a keyboard such a terrible decision.
conanap ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:07:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
as a programmer, this rings a lot.
TheResPublica ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:38:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair... there was zero demand for iPads when Apple created them.
Removing DVD-ROMs from notebooks seemed like a crazy idea at the time.
Historically, innovation often takes some getting used to. We'll see.
shenanigansintensify ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:47:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm surprised that people are so shocked that apple would do this, it seems totally consistent with their policy of making all hardware as proprietary as they can. Wouldn't want anyone using $8 Panasonic earbuds with their phones.
Also, just because something is changed and you get used to it, doesn't necessarily mean it's better.
Case in point: getting rid of the up and downvote counts on comments and just having a net number. I got used to it, but I remember and I still hate it. THAT'S RIGHT REDDIT, I REMEMBER YOU GOT RID OF OUR UP/DOWNVOTE COUNTS!
Hoogyme ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:54:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not when their solution is proprietary and iPhone/iPad exclusive. Their decision may have been more acceptable if they chose to switch over to USB-C rather than Lightning or proprietary wireless tech.
RebornPastafarian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:18:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, physical discs have been on the way out for a while. This is more like removing floppy disk drives in 1995, or cd drives in 1999, or USB ports in 2010.
Headphone jacks are THE audio standard and Apple is doing away with it because adapters and expensive wireless ear buds. If their wireless solutions were so fuck all magical they'd be able to sell it without removing the jack.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:36:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Doing things different just for the sake of doing them different.
smokemarajuana ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:56:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If everyone took that attitude we'd still be sat around naked in caves picking our butt holes
knukx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:40:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree this headphone jack removal is probably the stupidest thing I've ever seen, and is destined for failure. But as far as fixing things that aren't broken, the same could be said for the iPad. It was ridiculed when it was announced. Seemed pointless. Now everyone owns a tablet.
Mechanicalmind ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:24:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
almost everyone.
It's full of people without a tablet out there. It's almost FOURTEEN of us!
Gjixy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:04:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses.โ - Henry Ford
HanselSoHotRightNow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:33:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Citrix.com could also use this slogan. Some people may get this. :(
greenvillain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:45:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
or "Don't hurt yourself, dipshit"
FamousSAS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:50:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure this is Valve's motto at the moment with CSGO...
soup2nuts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:51:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Clearly, it's the New Coke strategy of marketing. Apple people will buy this phone no matter what. And they'll hate it. And when they bring back the jack for the next phone iteration users will flock right back to the stores and buy a whole new one. Look! They brought back the jack!
plant-fucker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:05:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"If it ain't broke, fix it!"
restless_oblivion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:20:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
and you know what? it will sell in huge numbers and without questioning.
because thats the way it is in cults. they offer you no choice.
they chose for you.
Faemn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:25:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If they didn't think that way slate style, touch screen no button phones maybe would've never gotten popular/had become mainstream. Nobody ever thought about tablets (REALLY) before the iPad, they took risks there any way you look at it. I wanna fucking see the market in 5 years and see who was right, cause according to their track record and history something tells me Apple is gonna still come out on top.
wick78 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:37:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
http://appleplugs.com
asharwood ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:49:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They are doing it strictly to lock people into their system and grab more money. Let's be real. It's a dick move.
Troggie42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:56:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, when a standard has existed and persisted for over 130 years, ESPECIALLY in the electronics field, maybe it's just fine the way it is.
BevoDDS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:19:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And "We won't fix shit that is broken if you already tried to fix it yourself."
VN5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:27:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What else did Apple 'fix that wasn't broken'?
emeaguiar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:35:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And thank god for that.
Disclaimer: I don't agree with them removing the headphones jack, but if nobody took that attitude we would still be using an Ericsson... Before Sony.
Orchid-Chaos_is_me ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:17:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Which is exactly how tech advances. When people were replacing vacuum tubes with transistors, it wasn't an issue of the vacuum tubes not working, it was just that transistors were better.
Honestly, i think that pretty soon the 3.5mm port is going the way of the vacuum tube too, just not yet. I would guess that wireless is the next step for consumer audio, though not necessarily Bluetooth. Bluetooth has been around for quite a while, and is rather prone to faults. I am almost sure however, that it is not the lightning port. Apple has the right concept, the 3.5mm port will leave consumer devices eventually, it is just a question of under what circumstances.
ofrance ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:24:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
AUKEY Bluetooth Receiver, Audio Music Adapter with Hands-free Calling for iPhone, Samsung and More https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00O8FYUJA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_4lq0xbW0HJD08
OMG. You are STUPID
nouille07 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:05:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
More like "we break things so you pay to fix it"
innocently_standing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:15:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"... And we make a ton of money doing so. So it can't be all wrong."
comp-sci-fi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:37:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
an ipoda phone and an internet communicatorDoctor_Fritz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:42:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apple: Because Less is More (profit)
jonnyclueless ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:39:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You should look through the archives to see how many people said the same thing when Apple stopped including floppy drives. Of course soon after everyone else jumped on board and no one complains about the lack of them any more.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:20:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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dinowak ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 02:44:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
With the release of their AirPod wireless headphones, it's clear that Apple is banking on people going wireless with their headphones, not adopting wired Lightning headphones.
Bluetooth is already a very widely adopted and ubiquitous standard.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:57:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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dinowak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:22:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What? Where did you get that? Bluetooth was being used long before iPhones were even created.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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dinowak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:48:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I don't think you understand what branding means. They didn't rebrand Bluetooth. They are only branding their headphones, not the technology standard.
They just named their wireless headphones as AirPods. The wireless technology standard in their iPhones is still called Bluetooth as seen in the "Cellular and Wireless" section: http://www.apple.com/iphone-7/specs/.
These Samsung Gear IconX earphones are branded as Gear IconX, but that doesn't mean Samsung is rebranding Bluetooth.
dinowak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:46:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. I remember when the first MacBook Air came out and everyone was freaking out about it having no optical drive. Now, it just seems ludicrous to even need an optical drive with today's computers.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:32:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Tin_Foil ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:39:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Here's that thing that you said you wanted -- aren't we great at listening?
NO! We begged you to not take it away in the first place!
That's right! Everyone was missing the headphone jack, so we added the new smaller 2.5mm size!
What??!? No one uses 2.5mm anymore!
3.5mm to 2.5mm exclusive Apple converters for only $40!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:48:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everything demoed over video showing people embracing their tradition.
"Sometimes old, is the new, new. Jack it!"
Credits
p3ngwin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:49:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Instincts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"...and then millions of people buy our shit and kiss our asses anyway"
millennialist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not gonna lie.... Whenever i'm in public and listening to music, fiddling with my headphones, I think about how headphone wires won't be a problem in the future. I hate how they get tangled in things, how I accidently pull them out of my ears, how the wires freeze in winter, and so on.
I'm excited to see progress with non wire headphones
RebornPastafarian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:19:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And what was preventing Apple from selling wireless ear buds without removing the headphone jack?
Mechanicalmind ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:25:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd rather get devices that don't need to be charged every 6 hours.
I love technology and all but for fuck's sake I hate living around electrical current because otherwise my devices are going to die when I need them the most.
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 01:33:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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nyan_narwhal ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 01:36:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And what's wrong with it that caused it to be needing a "replacement"?
am0x ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:42:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry but becuase of this move, in 2-4 years, the headphone jack in phones will be a thing of the past.
Lost4468 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:46:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And you expect headphone manufacturers to replace 3.5mm with what? USB-C or Lightning?
nyan_narwhal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apple talked about "moving to the future" except they used their proprietary lightning cable (4 years old) rather than the new standard of USB C, just to keep people in their eco system.
am0x ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:36:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Who knows. Right now it is Bluetooth which they still allow.
vkbrian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:24:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're so confident in this decision that they're packing every phone with a way to circumvent it.
am0x ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:42:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yup. In fact because of this, it jell accelerate the adoption by other companies to make this the norm. Earlier this year I would have said 4 years, now I think we are looking more like 2
lnsulnsu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:46:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
From a technical perspective, lots. It's big and takes up a lot of internal phone space for what it does. We could come up with a much better and smaller connector thst does the same thing and maybe more too.
What makes it good is how universal it is. It's like the north American AC power plugs. They suck, but its just too much work to replace them all.
nyan_narwhal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:07:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My understanding is that there is still space in the iPhone 7 to store a headphone jack.
Even then, Apple didn't supply a solution, they only removed the perceived "problem". If they had included a second lightning connection (or, even better, switched to USB C (standardized, non proprietary, newer, and faster)) then I can see people having less issues with this, as it would still be possible to charge and listen.
If I was doing this, I would have released the air pods and USB based audio in a phone that still had a 3.5mm Jack, with the information that the next phone would most likely not have a 3.5mm standard jack. This gives people time to adjust to the idea, without sacrificing the sales of those who still rely on a 3.5mm jack.
lnsulnsu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:29:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I totally agree. Removing the headphone jack is stupid. It's not a good thing on its own, but its just too universal to kill.
Redditor042 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:43:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty cool that I can connect my phone to my grandma's stereo from the 80s or my school's sound system from the late 90s still.
Part of the reason it's so old is because it was discovered/invented first and meets the need of audio transfer pretty perfectly. USB is newer because we simply didn't need the tech to transfer data in such a way until recently, and while USB is still being updated/refined, it's pretty obvious innovation on it is slowing as we meet the need pretty nicely.
GodKingThoth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:55:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just wanna say I don't support omitting the jack, just like giving counterarguments. Otherwise, this would be entirely circlejerk with no opposition or free thought. But then again, redditors hate people who think differently than them so I totally understand lolol
Redditor042 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:20:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sometimes circle jerks are warranted. It's not that anyone hates anyone who think differently, but insinuating that age has anything to do with the inclusion of the most wide spread and standardized phone tech doesn't really make sense.
GodKingThoth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:22:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can see that, idk.. Just thought it was interesting fact if nothing else
Crimson-Knight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:19:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except you can't if you'd gone back slightly further. You'd need one of these or one of these if the equipment is old enough.
Let's be honest. The 3.5mm jack isn't going to be around forever, because nothing is, and Apple is in a unique position to be able to take away something as ubiqutous as the 3.5mm jack, have everyone bitch and moan about it, and weather the storm just fine.
Someone's gotta be first. They took the floppy drive out and they were crazy. They took the optical drive out and they were crazy.
They put a fuckin' USB port in their iMac, what the fuck is USB amirite?
Don't get me wrong, Apple has their problems. The largest of which in my opinion is shoving proprietary shit down people's throats like lightning (and not USB-C) and AirPlay (and not Bluetooth and/or 802.11), but when it comes to doing shit no one wants until it becomes industry standard, no one beats Apple.
They have become the Andy Dufresne of the tech industry: they can crawl through a river of shit and come out clean on the other side.
Redditor042 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:02:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is a problem because:
Lost4468 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:47:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But what is wrong with it?
RussianGrammarJudge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:38:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shut the fuck up.
GodKingThoth ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:42:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Aw, you're a cute little bitch b
RussianGrammarJudge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Die.
hobskhan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:40:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wheels are pretty old. Solar panels were invented in the 19th century. Steam engines are pretty old. Sharp metal blades have always been good for cutting.
making goddam beer is pretty fucking old
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:39:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And they should change androids to, "we thought of it first!!!!"
shredderrrrrr ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:08:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Haven't people learned that Apple has a pretty damn good track record of anticipating where product design is heading and acting early? Just think back to when people went crazy when Apple dropped the floppy drive. Or the CD drive. Yet now we wouldn't bat an eyelash at that. I expect in 5 years for everyone to think, "no shit we don't want a headphone jack in our phone."
Ek_Los_Die_Hier ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:44:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I disagree. They are trying to push technology forward. They've done many things that people haven't liked at the time, but now people accept them. This may be one of those, or a stupid mistake and they'll be reverting it with the next phone. At the very least this will drive a demand for improved battery in both the phone and bluetooth headphones.
nbshark ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:06:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I do remember however, that people were hating on Apple for taking the CD/DVD player out of a MacBook. "But I need the CD-drive!" everyone yelled.
Then they took out Flash Player on their iPhones, and everyone was: "omg but we need Flash Player!" and everyone was angry again.
I was angry at both these things too!
But now I've been going without a CD player for years (on PC) and never missed it once. Had Blu Ray player in my old laptop, and only used it once to install Diablo III. CD is still in there.
And I don't have Flash Player on my Android, and I'm not missing it at all. Plenty of "Flash Games" on the Play Store and plenty of "Flash Videos" on Youtube. (I use Adobe Flash/Animate myself on a daily basis for my job as animator but never even use the .swf Flash Player format anymore and just render .mp4).
So maybe it's going to be the same case with the headphones... (Still extremely overpriced though. Jesus).
rck_james_bitch ยท 9054 points ยท Posted at 22:56:01 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As an Apple user, I can't even defend this decision.
JinxsLover ยท 472 points ยท Posted at 23:17:02 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It really is odd. There are obviously lots of people who still want it so..... why drop it?
Valdrax ยท 1440 points ยท Posted at 23:39:59 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
It's bulky and makes it harder to design a slimmer phone.
...You know, unlike that bulging two-lens camera.
(Edit: Apparently, my sarcasm did not come through clearly. My bad.)
TheRealistGuy ยท 460 points ยท Posted at 01:28:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then there are those like me that wish the phones would get a little THICKER so bigger batteries can fit in them.
Oopsifelldownagain ยท 283 points ยท Posted at 02:10:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thank god, it's not just me. I don't need the thinnest fucking phone known to man, I'd just like to be able to use the god damn thing for more than 1 hour without needing to charge it or plug it in.
Edit: minor text fixes
komali_2 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 03:54:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Heh, your edit reads like a git commit message.
fonster_mox ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 07:57:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
99% sure it was a Pokemon Go reference.
GeorgeAgdgdgwngoSah ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:41:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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deed02392 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:39:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Changed all line endings. All your blames are belong to me
komali_2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:05:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh god... No...
deed02392 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:25:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry. Changed them all back again in a new commit.
TryingT0Wr1t3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:54:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A bad git commit message, the ones I usually write.
wedontlikespaces ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:25:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Added a new method.
komali_2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:03:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fixed a thing
kurchak31 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:14:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm gonna use this edit entry forever
Amish_guy_with_WiFi ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:01:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Typically those two things go hand and hand.
FGHIK ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:15:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously. I ain't wearing skin tight pants, bulk that phone up with some better features. I could take it being a centimeter or two thicker easily.
TimbuFTZB ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:51:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
FGHIK ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:03:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah yeah, Lenny face it up funny man.
bardoch ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:21:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Upvoted for Niantic reference.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:03:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This will come off as super judgmental, but the people who consists of Apple's base seem to put a of weight towards thinner phones, and will ignore the lack of a headphone jack and purchase the phone solely because they hear that the phone is thinner.
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 03:09:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Princessspaceship ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:03:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Right? I mean I was just asking myself why tf does it make a difference how thin the phone is or what color. Either way I'm throwing a case on it.
ciaramicola ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:15:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe a ten pounds battery case with bt receiver and an headphone jack?
ciaramicola ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:16:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe it's time to design a ten pounds battery case with bt receiver and an headphone jack? Apple users will love that!
gharbutts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:11:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm gonna put it in an otterbox so as long as the end product isn't more than 3/4" thick I really never got this. Is it a little sleeker when it's thin? I guess, but if I'm gonna drop it on the ground and break it, it'll look worse than if it were a little fat to begin with.
legayredditmodditors ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:33:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How do you know?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:45:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm guessing Apple knows a lot more about their customer base than I do, and determined that customers would value the thinner phone and accept the tradeoff of losing a headphone jack. I admit, I am giving Apple the benefit of the doubt here.
gharbutts ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:12:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have a feeling Apple will not lose any significant amount of money over this. Many Apple customers will be happy to ditch their regular headphones, and many of those who are complaining weren't going to be waiting in line for the new model or anything.
Chieres ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:26:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most people use includes headphones anyway, so it would make 0 difference even with SATA headphones
SunosUnix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:14:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's why i invested in the Moto G when it first came out...
emezachariah ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:55:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The moto g is amazing. Too bad I got a lemon though. Damn thing couldn't sense my SIM card after a while of use
momsworldwide ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:36:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Samsung, powersaving is a life saver. Not to mention they last longer anyways. I was usikg the galaxy s, the original s since last year when i got the s6.
Gehrmeister ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:55:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The editing star * isn't shown when you edit your comment in less than 3 minutes after sending it.
NotGouv ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:43:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's fine, not everyone is looking for the same thing in a phone. And if you're looking for extra long battery life there are some phones for you out there. But not all phones are gonna suit you so stop dumping on thin phones and go look for other phones.
SCphotog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:22:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
...and I'm over here just wanting it to fit in my phone pocket.
My job is physical. I'm climbing ladders and working with power tools, swinging a bush axe, etc...
I can't really use one of those phone holsters.
I need a phone that I can slide into a leg-side phone pocket. I only buy pants with a phone pocket.
So I'm relegated to older and or otherwise less powerful, less capable phones because most of the nicer phones are only slightly smaller than a big screen television.
Limited to what's available through/for my carrier too. Far fewer options to choose from.
marino1310 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:32:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Get a juicepack case. Slimmer for people who dont care about battery, and a thicker option for people who do.
Potato_death ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:36:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Get yourself a Zero Lemon battery. My galaxy s4 lasts for days. It's also half an inch thick and weighs 5 pounds.
Catbedhair ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:49:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I almost went with one for my phone, but after the reviews kept saying it made the phone feel like a brick I went with the 6500mah battery
mirhagk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:05:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Check out the Blu Energy XL. 3 day battery life. Almost as good as my first cell phone which had 3 weeks.
KMCobra64 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:30:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait... is this phone stupid expensive or something? It seems amazing.
thisvideoiswrong ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:48:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Their shop link goes to Amazon, it's near the bottom of that page at $299. Limited carrier options, though, and not all that good a processor. If my Droid Turbo ever dies (my first smartphone) I'll have to see if they've added Verizon support, if I remember.
mirhagk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:05:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No $300. The catch is it's Blu, which doesn't have the greatest reputation (thanks to their $100 phones, which are understandably not that fantastic)
Fragarach-Q ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:59:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have a BLU R1 HD(no ads) and it's been great.
AbigailLilac ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:54:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd take a phone the size of my old iPhone 4 if that meant a big battery. I also miss the smaller screen, as someone with tiny hands. My Nexus 5 is great, I like having a screen on the smaller end of smartphones. I just wish it had a better battery.
barakabear ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:29:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Moto g is a great compact(ish) phone.
TheGrey_Wolf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:31:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Moto G2 was a perfect upgrade to it.
TheRealistGuy ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:21:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The iPhone SE is the phone for you. It's smaller and has all the perks of the iPhone 6. Not so sure about the battery life on it though.
AbigailLilac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:31:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think I could go back to iOS after experiencing the freedom of Android/CyanogenMod. Apple makes great products, they're just not my thing.
teh_tg ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:36:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes! And replaceable batteries, like Samsung does NOT have. I love their Note 5 except for that-- after less than a year my battery is very lame.
And I cannot replace it without buying another $1,000 phone.
TheGrey_Wolf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:32:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Relevant Username bro.
Lieut_crunch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:46:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly end up having to make it bulkier anyway since I don't ever have it without a case.
angierhafai ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:54:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same here. Also, I feel that phones are becoming too thin to be comfortably held.
londite ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:36:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Back in the Gingerbread days of bought a Motorola Razr Maxx. 2mm thicker than the regular Razr but almost twice the battery size. I could go 4 days without recharging. Definitely worth.
And honestly I wish companies took this decision more often.
SadSorbet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:35:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd happily double the thickness of modern smartphones If it doubled the battery capacity. I'm honestly at the cusp of just soldering some massive lipo to the terminals and holding the case together with elastic bands and jbweld
p5eudo_nimh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:47:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm definitely in that boat. I don't give a shit about this ultra thin nonsense. My phone is a tool, not a status symbol. I want functionality.
And that battery better damned be removable/replaceable.
Sabrielle24 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:56:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, like the iPhone 5 was a perfectly acceptable level of thickness. I mean the new phones are sleek and nice looking and that, but am I going to take that over extended battery life if those are the two options? Probably not.
DerNeander ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:36:22 on January 6, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you'd fit right in at /r/Android
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 02:38:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd rather have better battery technology that's miniaturized and more powerful than today's batterys.. but HEY that's just me. You're free to carry around a car battery attached to your phone to keep that bad boy charged. ;)
mirhagk ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:11:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The thing is that that's SO far off. The very best cutting edge research gives us like 2x the storage. So great, charge every other day instead of every night.
One thing I want to see take off is e-Ink screens. They are amazing on the kindle, and I think I've charged my Kindle a total of 5 times in the entire year and a half I've owned it. With a e-ink screen the phone could last for weeks or months. But the quality is nowhere near as good yet.
Faster and more convient charging is really the only solution we have. The latest nexus plugged into a wall charges like a madman (like half an hour gives you half the battery), but we can at least increase this a lot more. Wireless charging would help if it didn't suck so bad presently, but there is a tech out there for truly wireless charge (that charges several meters away. Stick it under your desk, or behind your couch and your phone will always be charging)
Cosmic2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:51:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I really wanted one of those yota phones when I discovered them. Having the back of my phone being an e ink touch screen sounds and looks awesome. But my S5 is still going strong so I guess I'll just watch from afar...
mirhagk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:59:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's a company that made cell phone cases which include an e-ink screen. Those screens are powered by NFC. They are still quite expensive, but that's something that is really cool.
Cosmic2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:04:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yea I've seen those. Sadly they're not all that good for the price and I'm not a fan of the flip open dual screen case thing they do with their android cases.
The e-ink screen in the phone I mentioned is the just the back of the phone and looks so much better than a flip case that I personally would find annoying.
TheRealistGuy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:22:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't we all. But for some reason battery technology has been pretty stagnant. I have hearing aids and the only reason they can't get smaller is because of the batteries. The same ones they have been using for 20+ years.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:53:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I find that peculiar as we wen't from disposable batteries in the 90s, to rechargeable batteries in the 00s, and now in the last decade we have rechargeable battery packs embedded in all of our devices.. Some of them VERY tiny. I'm surprised to hear that hearing aids are still using those old school batteries instead of a Li Ion battery pack?
PsychoNerd92 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:30:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And I'd like a girlfriend who looks like Scarlett Johansson and shits diamonds but that ain't gonna happen either.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:55:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love all the downvotes.. reddit is like PC Principal from South Park... can't even make a joke without everyone getting their panties in a twist.
Suicide_anal_bomber ยท 247 points ยท Posted at 00:36:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
its definitely not for thinner phones, theres a phone thats 2mm thinner that still has the headphone jack..
KzBoy ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 01:02:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Problem is I need mic jack adapters, accessory adapters, tool adapters ect. All to use that slightly smaller port with my devices I need on a daily basis. Totally not worth it.
As an aside, when jobs was around they would make a workaround for ppl that needed it. An adapter for the charging port that gave you back your 1/8", or a BT wireless unit that gives you wireless 1/8" TRRS jack.....something. Now you just have to deal with it, for some folks 'dealing with it' isn't an option since the tools I use don't have wireless options, and nothing I say to the tool manufacturers will change that. I'm sure it's coming but these companies have to adapt, and that takes time.
Edit: just saw that they have an adapter. Disregard the above... :-)
legayredditmodditors ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:32:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cool, $10 for another cable to keep, that you can't use while charging. Losing half the purpose of a headphone jack in of itself.
KzBoy ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:47:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh don't worry, I'm sure they sell ANOTHER cable for ANOTHER $20 that lets you charge AND get back the headphone jack they decided to remove....but hey, its .01mm thinner in your pocket (disregarding the fact that you need a whole other pocket to carry all the adapters in.)
legayredditmodditors ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:08:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Since this adapter is only about 4 inches, I'd bet the splitter would cost at LEAST $29
geared4war ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:47:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What will I do with this pitchfork?
----โฌ
It was on sale and I don't think I can return it.
Chief_Givesnofucks ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 01:55:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Idk, does it have a 3.5mm jack?
geared4war ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:59:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's European standard. I would need an adapter.
KzBoy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:27:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thats too bad :-/ Well it cost $80, so just be happy you probably spent less one your pitchfork then the adapter....hey, now that I think about it I think I see a use for the pitchfork!
geared4war ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:59:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's European standard. I would need an adapter. And that will cost extra.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:07:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This reminds me, i guess businesses that use those headphone jack card readers wont be upgrading any of their devices now
KzBoy ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:24:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, and I use them for some tools, Ryobi makes a nice line of 1/8" jack tools, lazer measurement, temperature guns, camera snake prob, ect... Not the best stuff, but handy in a pinch, and they have a nice carring case for them.
Plus I do audio tuning and I have a special tuning mic that plugs into my phone, not as good as my main rig but nice for quick readings and spot checking.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:48:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
even if they do have some sort of analog over usb adapter, it's still going to be vastly more of an inconvenience over a standard 3.5mm jack. There's a reason why it's still around over pure digital means. On top of cost, it's also pretty damn reliable vs digital means.
I can't imagine having to choose between charging a phone and being able to use headphones. Just seems really stupid.
Alexstarfire ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:07:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I heard they are giving bluetooth headphones, probably earbuds, and the headphone jack adapter with the phone. I did hear that on Reddit and don't even use Apple products anyway so I didn't verify that information.
Jimmy422 ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 01:24:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're including a lightning to 3.5mm adapter, but that means you can't charge and listen at the same time. They're selling wireless earbuds separately for $159
gemini86 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:33:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Will generic Bluetooth headphones work? I don't see why anyone would pay that much for earbuds that aren't done fancy high end brand name.
Salium123 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 01:34:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But they are a fancy high-end brand name, its apple.
Mukwic ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 01:41:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yea, that may be true, but in the world of headphones apple is NOT fancy high-end. Beats (owned by apple) are $30 headphones with a $300 price tag. Go check out what r/headphones has to say about it if you don't want to take my word for it.
edit: Ok, Studio beats are down to $219, but the bluetooth version is $379. The fact that they put the word "studio" in front of it is a joke, and an insult to audio engineers everywhere.
ArchNemesisNoir ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:47:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Work in live entertainment. Plenty of artists come through with the $20 skullcandys as in- ear monitors. They're available practically anywhere, they're clear and true enough to function as monitors (not like your getting an eq in your mix anyway), and they're cheap enough to just replace if they get lost in transit.
In the other hand, I've only met one guy that used beats as cans at front of house. The only reason he stood out was because his mix was crap. But I'm sure that's coincidence.
Mukwic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:27:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I never said that there was anything wrong with cheap headphones. They work, some better than others. I guess my point was that Beats are overpriced, and you could get so much more for your money.
As someone who also works in live entertainment, why wouldn't you have EQ for the monitors? If you have wedges how do you ring them out? My experience comes from running sound/playing in bands. Most people I know either just use a wedge, or any price range bud that isolates well enough. The most popular brands I've seen are Shure, Sennheiser, and Audio-Technica, to name a few. If you're making money in a band, it's not unreasonable to invest more than beer money in a decent setup.
Also, if you're a front man in a band you'll likely want to be wireless. If can shell out for a wireless kit, you can save up for decent in-ears.
ArchNemesisNoir ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:01:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At the national act level, they don't own the sound gear. Either the venue rents it (from the company i work for), or their label rents it for the tour. There are a few artists that have purchased their own gear... but for the most part, it's not worth it once you get into maintenance, upgrading, and life after warrantee.
So far as the EQ goes, yes, we EQ it to ring out the mics. We don't eq it to sound like the house. It's a functional setting, not an artistic one. But it's pretty common to have artists ask for an eq in their wedge, so they can hear what the audience does, or maybe they like a little extra low end, or maybe they're 80 and deaf from doing this shit for the last 60 years. The answer is always "no", because we have it flat and true as possible, without feeding back.
With ear buds, for the most part, they just want to hear where everyone else is at. Top notch precision replication doesn't matter if you're used to hearing everything through a 12" mono wedge. So, skullcandys or whatever else will work, as long as they're covered in your earwax, and not someone else's. And if you're doing fly-dates, or otherwise traveling outside a private bus, having disposable gear is nice. TSA has sticky fingers, luggage gets mis-routed, less reputable hands steal shit for the sake of saying "this here is Reba MacIntyre's personal toilet paper dispenser", and sometimes you're just in a rush and miss something. And it's pretty common to arrive in town at 11 am for a 2pm sound check and a 8pm show. We've had to call in favors to get sticks and strings last minute, no problem beyond delivery fees. But no way can i get a set of Sennheiser IE8s on short notice. But, if they're using cheap ones to start with, they can just send the runner to Walmart for that and a 5th of Jack and call it a day (provided they don't have 5 pair in the production work box)
Edit: and oh yeah, beats are way overpriced. I mention skullcandys by name, because they're on par for quality, but a fraction the price.
MidDayNinja ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:52:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think he was being sarcastic.
blofly ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:16:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Whoops, you misspelled 'autistic'
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 01:46:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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zorroww ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:48:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think it'll have bluetooth, a phone not having Bluetooth is idiotic nowadays
NovaDeez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:09:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That would almost be as stupid as removing the headphone jack.
L43 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:49:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They work on the old iPhone, so they will almost certainly continue to work
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:59:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The old iPhone could also have wired headphones plugged in while charging
L43 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:18:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, that is a limitation, I agree. But my 6S lasts all day on a single charge with constant audio playback, and fully charges in about an hour even if it does get low if you have been ripping through your battery playing PoGo or something, so I don't think it is that huge of a deal.
digicow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:38:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's likely that there'll be a 3rd party charge+audio output passthrough adapter within months. And then people will only be able to whine about adapters, not capabilities
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:36:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So did the aux
joshcandoit4 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:28:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're wrong. All iPhones all are blutooth enabled.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:53:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For now.
gemini86 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:50:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In the EU, don't iPhones have micro USB because of import laws and such?
Richy_T ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:39:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They supply an adapter.
KzBoy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:40:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks, I also heard this from a 3rd party and edited my post accordingly.
I also wouldn't be buying it, (I think the iPhone is good for a lot of ppl, I'm just not one of them)
redddit_rabbbit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:29:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I read it on the Apple website, so--verified! Along with every phone comes a set of earbuds that have a lightening jack as well as a lightening to audio adaptor.
rektevent2015 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:55:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The adapters were like $80 each though
KzBoy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:25:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ouch! Thats pricy for an adapter. But hey its Apple, what do you expect right. Lol
Just got a look at the ear buds, they are super tiny. Don't look like they would hold a charge that long.
MPnoir ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:55:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. I mean even the latest iPod touch is 6,1mm (the iPhone 7,3) and it has a headphone jack.
Even as an iPhone user i can say that Apple's decision to remove the headphone jack was pretty damn stupid.
todayisforgotten ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:37:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
nope - i stand corrected.
zingertek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:33:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, those are Jony Ive's weird decisions
hpstg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:49:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Weird"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:51:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So...same sized phones with more features or bigger battery then?
B0NERSTORM ยท 82 points ยท Posted at 01:31:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If some Chinese company can make a thinner phone with a audio jack I'm sure the engineers are Apple can figure it out. The real reason is to make you buy new gear with new plugs.
balista_22 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:02:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ipod nano is already thinner
I_1234 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:28:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It comes with a free adaptor though, so you can use existing head phones.
hanoian ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:55:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The iPhone 8 won't.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:23:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can still use one from iphone 7.
legayredditmodditors ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:34:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So... they could stick with a 6/5/4 etc, or just upgrade with each new phone. Great options.
happysealND ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:39:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A bit like nintendo's move by not giving you a charger with the new consoles.
tossoneout ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:09:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
there really is no reason not to go back to 2.5mm jacks, and use them as digital connectors too
zincH20 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:26:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's 100% about the Beats headphones purchase.
Doomsider ยท 392 points ยท Posted at 01:31:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No I don't think this is close to the real reason. I personally believe they are interested in removing analog because it is a way around digital protections and lock-ins that they very much desire.
Now they can sell headphones that are digitally locked-in to a device. This means more proprietary hardware for Apple which they love and they can always license their key to access their hardware to other companies who will pay enough for it.
Finally there is a thing called digital rights management that further locks in Apple users to their hardware and services. In the near future we could see "playback device not supported" much like the issue we have seen with HDCP.
i_give_you_gum ยท 151 points ยท Posted at 01:42:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
what sucks is that people dont just use those jacks for headphones, they can plug in external speakers that are typically plugged into computers, the NEXT radio app requires you to use earbuds as an antenna for the FM chip thats in most phone, even though you can still pump out the sound to external speakers.
There's just a million uses for the jack besides using earbuds to listen to music, I think there's even gieger counters you can plug into it.
edit:should be considered a legacy port, we're surrounded by legacy electronics
afafio ยท 164 points ยท Posted at 02:08:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The square reader uses the headphone jack too.. that's going to be a big problem.
i_give_you_gum ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:11:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ohh wow, didnt think about that, could they be laying the ground work for another product like square? although I bet Square could go bluetooth by now if they needed to.
ohshit-cookies ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:19:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
there is actually a bluetooth square reader, but that's only for chip cards and apple / android pay. To actually swipe a card, you still have to have it plugged into the headphone jack.
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pseudocultist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:38:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is it still free or $5 like the headphone-port version was?
derivativeofwitty ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:38:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's about $50.
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ohshit-cookies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:46:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
well dang. Is that just for the counter system though? I know I saw something about the tablet holder thing that can do it all, but do they have one for on the go systems?
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[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:36:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I imagine that Square dongle's headphone jack is to just keep the device mounted to the phone, no? It's not using it for any data transfer.. is it?
cdrt ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 02:53:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It uses the microphone part of the jack to read the magnetic strips on credit cards. The data on the magnetic strip is transformed into sound and the Square app on the phone turns the sound back into a credit card number.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:08:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just like a 56k modem.
uroboroslycoris ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:46:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Was wondering how that witchcraft worked...
hexane360 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:42:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well not really sound. Analog waves.
PhasmaFelis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:07:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The reason being that (until now) the headphone jack was the only port that was guaranteed to be the same on all phones. It saved them from having to produce separate hardware for micro-USB Android and whatever special snowflake bullshit Apple was using in any given year.
jonknee ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:16:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well and the analog data on a magstripe is perfect for transfer like that.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:56:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can't they just use a bluetooth dongle for both Android/iOS devices instead of using the USB/Lightning interface?
PhasmaFelis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:37:21 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you mean a Bluetooth card reader? A dongle is something that plugs into the main device (to give it Bluetooth capability, in this case).
In any case, transmitting people's credit cards via Bluetooth requires all kinds of security/encryption that isn't necessary with a direct connection, and is still an extra, unnecessary point of vulnerability. Also you'd have to worry about keeping the card reader charged...it's a lot simpler to just have it attached to your phone/tablet.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:34:50 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ahh, you're that guy. :P
You hand your credit card to dozens of people in a day potentially... this means that the security of transmission protocol only needs to be modest and not Fort Knox level security. Also with the new chip cards they use a one-off digital key with a public/private key I believe so even if someone does snoop on a BT connection with the latest cards it wouldn't be useful in any meaningful way unlike being able to clone a magstripe card.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:57:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for the explanation.. that's very interesting!
vimfan ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:33:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought the dongle's headphone jack was simply to facilitate bluetooth pairing. My wife's dongle is bluetooth, but uses the headphone jack. Unfortunately it doesn't work with her old Nexus 4 or new Moto G3 (because the angle on the jack opening means the plug doesn't go all the way in).
meisteronimo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:22:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure that makes sense. If you were making a bluetooth device, why would it require to be plugged in to a 3.5 jack?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:26:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Industry Focus (a podcast on Spotify) recently had a discussion about this. Yes this will be an obstacle for Square, but they will work around it. They have bigger plans for its customers than just payment processing (i.e. finance services). Square will adapt that sector of their business, but they are investing in much more than their dongle.
Bobby_Booey ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:49:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But they don't want you to use a Square reader. They want you to only use Apple Pay.
pnwlance ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:07:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think this will be as big of a problem the 7 will ship with the adapter so it'll work right away and eventually square will offer a lightning version of their reader which will actually in my personal opinion be more stable
PiZZaMaN2K ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:47:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It'll still work with the dongle that's included. Square has already tested it apparently.
Guinness_the_Minnis ยท -15 points ยท Posted at 02:56:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Why is it that everyone in this thread forgets that they can still use ALL of these devices still. They are giving a cable that still has an 8th inch female adapter to it. Whether you think it's solely selfish reasons why they are doing it or not, they are moving to the future - which is wireless.
Everyone here laughing at Apple reminds me of those who laughed when iTunes and others started selling digital copies of music. Who would not want the CD people thought? Or when Apple made the hard switch to remove CD/DVD drives in their laptops knowing full well they were bulky and on their way out. Now almost all new sleek laptops omit these drives. They get laughed at first, but always have the last laugh. And to assume this will be any different is ignorant.
This has all been seen before, and it will go on until finally Samsung creates a phone with no 8th inch jack.
So it is with past technology, and so it will be with future technology.
Edit - I am getting downvoted yet no one has given me a reason why they disagree. If you are down voting because you want only the anti-apple posts to be visible that's fine, but if anyone out there has a compelling reason as to why they disagree, I'm all ears!
kescusay ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 04:19:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apple didn't pioneer that.
Apple didn't pioneer that, either. Small form factor netbooks were coming out without optical drives by 2007.
Because they're still netbooks. Which, again, Apple didn't pioneer.
Which explains why Apple dominates the online music market, the PC market, and the phone market.
Except they don't dominate any of them.
Look... I actually think Apple products are generally okay. I'm in favor of using whatever tool works best for the job at hand. I'm pretty happy with the little Mac I use for work. But it takes a very particular type of willful ignorance to avoid understanding why this particular decision on Apple's part will annoy and inconvenience a bunch of people.
Do you know what it most reminds me of? The single-button mouse. For years, Apple insisted that you only really needed one button, and its die-hard fans raved about how they never, ever needed to right-click anything, as if having to hold down the Command key and click to get a context menu was somehow an improvement.
Eventually, Apple realized that the market just did not agree with them, put their efforts into a really good multi-button mouse, and were applauded for it... by the same people who insisted that it wasn't necessary to have two buttons in the first place.
This will happen never. At least, not until there's an industry-wide replacement.
How's that one-button mouse working for ya?
Guinness_the_Minnis ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 07:59:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
1 - I never claimed apple pioneered any of these. But to deny they weren't a massive part in pushing those innovations is ignorant. I would argue they had the biggest push in both these areas when it comes to these. And thus they had the biggest backlash online when this happened, hence why I said "remember when everyone was laughing at Apple when"... It's not an opinion, it did happen.
2 - I never said adapters don't suck, but to give them shit and to say you now can't use your old headphones or a square reader peripheral is just plain ignorant.
3 - You proved your own point in saying buying a device to simplify your life. That is exactly what Apple is pushing with having no need for a wire for your headphones. Do you really think that having wired headphones is more simplified than wireless? Give me a break.
4 - I have 2 laptops, an Asus and a MacBook Pro. Both are not netbooks. Look for yourself though if you don't believe that the majority of PCs and Laptops (Mac or not) are omitting these. Why I even had to write this point pains me เฒ _เฒ
5 - Who said anything about dominating any market space? You are obviously missing the point of this thread. It's not about being pro Apple, it is about being sensible. You obviously assume I am an apple fanboy, and you know what they say about people who assume...
6 - I agree with you on the one touch mouse. But this isn't about preference on workflow, it is about simplifying. You can't stop progress, and moving to wireless is happening, whether you agree or not. Wireless power is coming. Wireless networks are almost standard. Wireless phones. Wireless HDMI. Wireless speakers. It cleans/de-clutters your life, and simplifies your dailies. This is why the comparison is quite different. You can prefer a mouse preference, but to prefer wires hanging around your neck will never be the case. And remember not to think about tomorrow's problems with today's tech. You will see more and more wireless headphones come out in the upcoming years. Quality will only increase. And as the price drops, more will adopt to the obvious better method of headphones. It has been proven in every advancement in this capacity.
Look, in all honesty I use an S7 Edge for my phone. I love it and also enjoy my MacBook Pro and IPad. But I do not think this is a negative, it will just take time for people to realize it. I am also an early adopter for tech, and have been using a set of Bose wireless headphones for a few months now. I absolutely love them and see how they will become more and more popular as time goes on.
SadSorbet ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:42:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Stop acting like not having a CD drive is an innovation its a massive pain in the arse
Guinness_the_Minnis ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:10:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not an opinion, it is fact. Data transfers via CD is archaic and dying. Even USB drives and SD cards are far better, in almost every single way. So stop living in the dinosaur age and realize that you can enjoy your life even more without CDs, VHS taps, 8 track tapes, and DVD's...
SadSorbet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:54:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
and yet they are still so prevalent that not having a cd drive is a huge pain in the arse - one you have to subvert by buying a plug in drive.
Guinness_the_Minnis ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:13:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You are part of the problem if you are buying an external drive to use archaic mediums.
kescusay ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:51:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You strongly implied it.
Let's look at the netbook. It's a small and slim laptop designed for extremely high mobility rather than having every bell and whistle. Apple jumped on that bandwagon long after the early ones like the eeepc were out. I don't dispute that Apple helped popularize slim, lightweight laptops that lacked optical drives, but that simply is not their innovation. Other people saw the appeal first.
People "laughed at Apple" not because they were necessarily doing anything stupid (though the one-button mouse definitely qualifies), but because they were claiming "magical innovation" that was neither. What Apple does, and does well, is refinement. They made a really good netbook (or "ultrabook" if you prefer). But that certainly wasn't their innovation.
And I never said you couldn't use your old headphones or square reader. I pointed out 1) the suckiness of having to use an adapter to do that, and 2) the additional suckiness of being unable to charge the phone at the same time. I'm a textbook example for this, because most nights I fall asleep with my earbuds in, listening to music or a podcast, while my phone charges, and with the iPhone 7, that is a physically impossible task.
I have both, but there are times when I simply prefer wired headphones. I use the wireless ones for when I'm mobile (exercise, for example), but prefer not to waste their batteries and use wired headphones when stationary. Wired headphones are also mandatory when fidelity is important.
And regarding simplicity... With wireless headphones, that's just one more charging cable you need, and battery life is a concern. Wired headphones have neither complexity added.
Huh. Took a look at one of the current top sellers from Asus, the F555. There's an optical drive in it. So let's look at another top seller, the HP 15-ay... Whoops, also has an optical drive. Maybe the top-selling Dell Inspiron 15"... Nope, it's got an optical drive, too.
In fact, to find laptops that don't have an optical drive by default, you have to look in the netbook/ultrabook styles and sizes. Which, again, Apple didn't invent.
Even Apple still includes a "super drive" in their MacBook Pros in the 13"+ range. In fact, if you search "MacBook Pro specs," you find this site: http://www.apple.com/macbook-pro/specs. And guess what's listed there?
None of this is to say removing the optical drive from netbook/ultrabook laptops is a bad idea. Mine has one that I only use very intermittently, and could easily be replaced with an external optical drive for those occasions when I need one. But you're giving Apple credit where it isn't due.
You were arguing that Apple is in some way the leader in all of these innovations. I countered by pointing out that 1) Apple has made and stood by mistakes in the past, like the one-button mouse, and 2) that Apple didn't actually pioneer any of the examples you used.
It is possible to elegantly support both wired and wireless audio, in much the same way that it is possible to support two mouse buttons. Apple has inexplicably decided not to. Their solution makes things like plugging your phone into the aux port in your car and charging it from the car battery impossible.
No thanks to Apple. Their phones still don't support it.
Almost?
I'm not even sure why you're listing all this. Apple has nothing to do with any of it.
Please...
Please stop.
I can envision an interface with computers that does away with the mouse. Would getting rid of any possible port for mice be a good way to introduce such a change?
I think you genuinely have no idea how much "legacy" hardware there is out in the world, hardware that is reliable and works well, that its owners don't want to throw away just because Apple won't support it anymore. Failing to give such people an elegant way to keep using their existing hardware is a guaranteed way to keep their products niche, boutique products.
If you own one, I'd like you to take a look at the back of your fancy, modern, 4K flat screen TV. See the array of ports back there? Yeah, some of them, like the component ports, have been around more than 20 years. Why are they there? When you can answer that question, you'll understand why some people are less than thrilled with Apple's decision.
It will, clearly, be a negative for some people. People who like to plug their phones in while playing music through a wired system of some sort will not be physically able to do it, any more than they could right-click with a one-button mouse. It's that simple. I don't think this will be a problem for everyone, but it will be a problem for enough that if Apple has any dreams of going beyond the boutique, they've just shot themselves in the foot.
Good for you. Your personal experience and needs do not equate to those of society at large.
Guinness_the_Minnis ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:03:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just for fun, I thought I would reply. Here we go :)
You know what they say about people who assume...
No one is saying it was. But I am mentioning the backlash that DID happen when their laptops (and others) started coming out without a disc drive. If you do not remember those comments (similar to the ones today), then go back and google it.
So your saying a wireless headphone option would be the best scenario here? Well you are in luck! I do agree that the charging while listening is an issue though. And it was other commenters talking about the lack of peripherals you can use. I actually use the Square reader, and it would be far better with an adapter IMO. However the charging would require a second Adapter that offered both 8th inch and lightening.
This will not be an issue. Fidelity will be perfect, and charging solutions will become null. Do not think of tomorrows problems with todays tech. That piece of advice goes for all innovations. I don't need to explain that, it should be self explanatory.
What do you think pushing innovation means? There is a time where you have to stop putting diapers on your toddler, and sometimes there will be backlash. But at the end of the day, it's always the better choice.
I said it is coming. Apple is waiting to perfect the tech before they integrate it (my opinion only). S7 wireless charging is nice, but far from perfect. If it were, I would never plug my phone in, however I still do OFTEN.
Yes, almost. I work in an office where we still use a wired network for data transfer. But it is becoming a standard in almost every situation.
Why do you think this is a battle about Apple? It is a debate about tech innovations and how social acceptance and progress happens. There are many scenarios that back up these claims that are beyond Apple. So take a breath and take a step off your fanboy soapbox for a bit while we have an adult conversation.
Yes absolutely. If and when there is a better way to navigate your desktop, then removing the mouse functionality is a great way to usher in the better solution. I am glad you can agree on that point.
No doubt, but change has to happen somehow, and it is. Thankfully in the Information era we live in, it happens faster than previous generations. But there will still be backlash from those who are stubborn.
You agreed with your own point there. Many connectors are gone. And as TVs progress, more and more ports of archaic tech will disappear. Even with Samsungs One Connect box, things are evolving. And as I mentioned as well, Wireless HDMI is out too, and is slowly becoming more appreciated in many households. TV tech has a much slower transtion based on the price, and the reliance of thrid party media. But it is no different.
Never said it should. But an opinion on someone who has tried these solutions holds more weight than those who speculate. At the end of the day personal opinions do not matter, and you have to base your predictions on historical cases that are similar. And these predictions and explanations I have offered are backed up in almost every single passed scenario.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:16:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trying to compare wireless headphones to CDs is a pretty weak argument.
Guinness_the_Minnis ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 07:33:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's actually pretty similar. CDs were a platform to deliver data in a way that is transportable. Tech advances have made those close to obsolete. So how hard is it for you to comprehend that a platform that delivers audio that is transportable can't innovate and progress? If you really think that wires are here to stay you are greatly mistaken. And just as CDs became less used, so will wired headphones.
Jesus, think about it before you reply.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:43:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wireless headphones have been around for a decade or so already. There is a reason not every one ueses them. Removing the wire doesn't make them any more "transportable". It just adds other issues and challenges. What happens of you lose a singe headphone? Can you buy a single headphone and pair it with the one you have or is it another 160$ to replace both? If the Mic is usually on the cord where is the mic on these? How much is a replacement charger? How long will the batteries hold a charge before the batteries need to be replaced? Is Bluetooth here to stay or is there going to something new and better coming out eventually? These wireless headphones are just another fad apple is trying to start to make more money. Apple has done plenty of innovative things but wireless headphones aren't one them.
Guinness_the_Minnis ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:08:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It seems most of Reddit thinks about tomorrow's problems with today's tech. And right now you are assuming that wireless headphones will never improve and never drop in price. All of the issues you brought up are things that will not matter. Fun fact - did you know that people similar to you used to say the same thing when cell phones started coming out? What if the battery dies, or I lose or sit on a cordless cell phone? Well look what happened there.
Price will drop. Pairing will improve. Wireless tech (be it blue tooth or other) will improve. Backwards compatibility will come. And the problem you mentioned about losing them, well think about it this way - soon your phone will pair with them and always know where they are. Just like find my phone, so you would never lose them. Imagine being able to press the other ear bud to signal a noise that emits from the lost bud so you can find it? Amazing eh, and all the sudden when you start looking ahead you will see all of your "problems" are really non problems at all.
Tech will not stay the same as it has been for the last 10 years. And when a massive company like Apple heavily invests in a new format, the amount of money they invest in R&D will only push competitors, and improve the tech...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:31:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You are missing the point. These "solutions" are unnecessary. Apple removed a feature without replacing it with anything.
You keep making the worst comparisons. Wireless headphones are not even close to cellphones. Also the world is a totally different place now. "People similar to me" didn't grow up in the age of technology. I understand and can see the issues of these headphones. These headphones aren't going to be some magical device that changes the world. They are fucking wireless headphones. The biggest effect these will have is a bit of added convenience because you don't have a cord. Does this convenience out weigh the issues and cost of these wireless headphones? No. You might disagree but you are wrong.
The lightning port is never going to beat USB-c. Apple knows this, but they also know they will make money off of anything that using the lightning port. This is all about Apple making as much money as possibl. People like you are going to buy the new iphone and rave about it but they are going to lose a big chunk of their market.
Guinness_the_Minnis ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:03:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't have time to continue educating people on Reddit. Just set a reminder to check this thread 4 years from now. You will be in for a treat :)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:32:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ahh yes in four years when the world is a totally different place because of wireless headphones. It will be a time to be alive.
Guinness_the_Minnis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:46:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No. In 4 years you will see more and more people using wireless headphones, and it will not be such a SHOCK to people to have no 8th inch port.
Come on man, you knew that's what I was getting at. No need to try and dodge the point.
jerrrrremy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:51:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So if you admit that all of these things you describe about wireless headphones are not representative of the current situation, why would anyone buy a phone that only supports them until these things are resolved?
Guinness_the_Minnis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:04:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ahhh FINALLY. Someone who has given a point that is worthy of a serious reply. Thank you so much.
That is actually a great point, and I will wait until I see and use the AirPods before I make any further judgement. Currently the wireless buds I use work great, so I already think the tech is advanced enough to move forward. And for $149, the price is not nearly that bad. Most Wireless options go for over $200, so what excites me about this change is the push for cheaper solutions with a competitive marketplace.
jerrrrremy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:18:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree and hope that more high-quality affordable wireless options start to hit the market. I bought some from Amazon a few months ago (can't remember the brand, they're the same ones everyone keeps posting to try to prove that they're not that expensive) and the sound quality is absolute garbage compared to any decent set of wired headphones. I love the idea of getting rid of the wire, I just don't think Bluetooth itself is quite there yet, but am excited for when it is.
JazzIsPrettyCool ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:25:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm more concerned with the fact that I have very expensive Audio-Technixa headphones, and I wouldn't be able to use those headphones with this iPhone. I would be forced to downgrade to whatever audio quality the apple headphones have
Heystew ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:35:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or just use the lightning to 3.5mm adapter that comes in the box.... What model headphones do you have? Just out of curiosity.
(this is in no way defending the decision to remove the headphone jack. I work in professional audio and am adamantly against this.)
JazzIsPrettyCool ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:58:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For some reason I didn't catch that the adapter came with it haha. Whoops. I have the ATH M50
Heystew ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:00:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Haha! That's cool! Pursue high fidelity audio! My brother just recently picked up a partially open back pair by senheiser. Not sure on the model exactly. I (and I will never be able to justify this again...) picked up a pair of Jerry Harvey Audio JH-16 pros a few years ago when I was running monitors/FOH (front of house or main house speakers) pretty regularly. They're amazing, custom molded and all. Six drivers: two low, two mid and two high. Most ear buds have 1 for everything; sometimes two until you get into higher end. Great for just listening too!
This ended up being much longer than I intended....
projz ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:35:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Those aren't "very expensive" headphones let alone top of the line so relax there buddy.
telute ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:32:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It comes with an adapter for your headphones. Problem solved?
CapitaineMitaine ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:41:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lose or break that adapter, pay premium for a replacement. More money source for apple!
markjaquith ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:32:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just use the adapter that ships with the phone.
hexane360 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:44:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or you can upgrade to a good DAC. Probably better in the long run. (not defending this though)
Guinness_the_Minnis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:30:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No you wouldn't. You could still use them with the adapter.
thisvideoiswrong ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:56:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I still only buy music on CDs, and I refuse to consider a laptop without a CD drive unless there's literally no option. Fortunately Sager still offers disk drives and Windows 7, too. These are not technologies that are on the way out, they're technologies that people are struggling to find and occasionally giving up.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:08:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That makes you an extreme edge case, though. Apple does not junk up their products chasing "everything and the kitchen sink" like all the other manufacturers used to do. That only turned out to be a race to the bottom on price and quality.
thisvideoiswrong ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:45:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Am I, though? Most people seem to at least keep a computer with a CD drive on hand because they need it occasionally. I guess you could spend a lot of money to minimize use, but it still comes up, because it's too good a compatible, idiot-proof option for manufacturers to not use it. They just get stuck with a second box that might not actually do what they want now. Maybe I'm somewhat more unusual with music, but even physical stores still keep a healthy stock so it can't just sit there indefinitely.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:28:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. Optical media for the distribution of digital goods really only exists anymore for some video distribution, console games, and waning market momentum for audio cd's. For most anything else, if it's even an option, it's the alternative one. And (quite obviously) none of that is compelling enough to include optical drives in laptops like they were a necessary, integrated component. The market spoke with its purchasing decisions, on this one.
Anecdotally, I can't remember the last time I thought, "I'm using this external optical drive so often that it'd be nicer to carry a clunkier laptop with one built in."
thisvideoiswrong ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:00:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You really wouldn't want your laptop a few millimeters thicker to avoid all the compatibility and portability problems? I guess I do tote around a 6 lb monster all the time, but I'd never want to give up the capabilities it has for something marginally more convenient. And I still play the majority of my games from CD, you can still get them cheaper that way (COD Ghosts is a particularly crazy example at the moment, a 6x price difference, 3x with a good digital sale), and then there's work software where sticking a CD in the package with the hardware is the easy, reliable way to do things for smaller companies. And optical media is definitely still the standard for any movie or TV show you want long term access to, alternatives for that really don't exist, unless you count torrent sites.
The whole thing just seems a lot like the complaints reddit always has about smartphones: companies are so eager to advertise that they have a thin product that they sacrifice valuable capability, and there are so few alternatives people have to buy them anyway. Particularly affordable alternatives, the whole laptop market seems to be chasing the form factor of netbooks, which became popular primarily because they provide some capability for a very low price.
PleaseExplainThanks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:36:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think so. Or at least there are definitely parts of the US where it absolutely is not the case about most people buying computers with cd drives. People use USB as the main input to the computer now and a lot of people stream music and movies and don't use physical media at all.
thisvideoiswrong ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:42:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't deny that people are buying computers without CD drives, but it's because those are most of what's available, and they still use an old computer with one or an external drive on a somewhat regular basis. And streaming isn't replacing physical media as much as it's replacing TV and radio, which is why many radio stations were pretty early adopters. People tend to be painfully aware that just because a service has your favorite movie today does not mean they'll have it next year, so for everything they want to keep they tend to still get disks. Plus, streaming music only really works at home or work, everywhere else it's unreliable and expensive, so the files are always stored on the device. I will admit to being surprised by how many people trust iTunes, despite all the evidence that it puts your files completely under their control, but that seems like the outlier.
Guinness_the_Minnis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:30:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You are in the minority. You can have your own opinion, but that doesn't make the facts false...
thisvideoiswrong ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:02:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are there polls on this or something? Because all I see is the manufacturers chasing size accolades while consumers struggle to accomplish what they want with inconvenient or aging hardware.
PhasmaFelis ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:12:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Who the hell says "8th inch jack"? It's 3.5mm.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:11:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Musicians
Guinness_the_Minnis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:24:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Came to say this. I am a musician and there are quarter inch and eighth inch adapters hahaha.
jerrrrremy ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 05:35:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This may be the most inaccurate comment in the history of reddit. I honestly can't even tell if you're trolling or not.
LitewithRight ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:43:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No it isn't. The adapter supports every normal accessory including square.
Jesus.. the anti Apple circle jerk here..
Mocha_Bean ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:52:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But then the Square reader would just be flopping loosely off the bottom of the phone.
LitewithRight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:46:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Now that's a fair complaint. Do you think it'll be days or weeks before the lighting version of the square reader is released?
LikeWolvesDo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:49:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apple is definitely trying to undercut square and other third party hardware. They want you to use apple pay, apple bluetooth, apple headphones, etc. This has always been a part of their business model.
onlyCulturallyMormon ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:13:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
OMG! What is Square going to do? What alternative port at the bottom of the iPhone could they have their reader plug into? If only there was a PORT! Maybe one that had LIGHTNING fast connection. Fast as LIGHTNING! But what port? Which one! WHICH ONE WOULD WORK?
LikeWolvesDo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:50:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So every square user has to buy a new piece of hardware or use apple pay. That is the choice apple is creating, and they are definitely hoping to poach some business from square in the process.
onlyCulturallyMormon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:08:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Square's magstripe reader is free. you're daft.
Also, what does it fucking matter? It's not Apple's job to make sure every home made business gets to use the same cashier hardware for all of eternity. Get bent.
LikeWolvesDo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:04:45 on September 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why are you so worked up about this? It's a conversation on the internet. Take a breath.
onlyCulturallyMormon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:09:47 on September 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why are you so upset?
All_Work_All_Play ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:11:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah... for Square :\
fapsandnaps ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:22:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For every small business that uses square is more like it.
All_Work_All_Play ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:27:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well yes. As a company, are not your customers problems in using your product your problems? We'll see if they nix it from the iPad's next release. Should be interesting.
ArchNemesisNoir ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:16:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I work in live entertainment (I'm a lighting douche). This coming weekend, I'll be working an event in a little venue run by the company i work for. Putting gels (color) in 90 fixtures alone takes a while. So, i like to plug my phone into the audio console and blast my music while i work. My favorite songs, in stereo, 20-12" mains, 40 high-end drivers, and 8-18"subs per side, with 200 amps of power (about double the maximum possible on a house) before i trip the breaker. It's one of the few parts of my job that's purely a privilege, and a feeling that few get to enjoy. Also, answering telemarketers while I'm plugged in is fun.
But consoles don't accept bluetooth, and no one's in a hot hurry to make that happen. So, that's now the #1 reason i don't want an iphone. For a moment, they seemed pretty interchangeable with Samsung.
jakub_h ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:24:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Uh...OK? (I assume being a lighting gentleman was not an option?)
ArchNemesisNoir ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:31:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Gentleman? You've never met a real Roadie, have you? We aren't generally the most gently worded people. And quite a few of us are outright dicks until you get to know us. Then you realize that on the inside, we're just cynical misanthropists.
LsDmT ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:48:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well - now all those devices can adapt to the lightning port standard, which means buying more shit!
Is the lightning technology property of Apple that would require a license from people making other devices?
Edit: Yup...
SuperSaiyanSkullFuck ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:28:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apple Camera Connection Kit: ยฃ30
Ebay generic kit: ยฃ2.
Gotta love that cracked DRM.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:08:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Like the selfie stick!
twitchytongue ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:25:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I believe they're offering the adapter dongle with each purchase?
ben0318 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:08:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But on the upside, many selfie sticks use the headphone jack.
Maybe that's what Apple's plan is... To get rid of those things.
theexpertgamer1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:55:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
RIP selfie stick.
/s
There is an adapter that comes with the phone so it doesn't really matter.
i_give_you_gum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:27:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
An adapter for what? So that it suddenly has an 1/8 Jack female port? You can't just say adapter, there's a million adapters out there.
theexpertgamer1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:51:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Adapter from the charging port that turns into a headphone jack.
i_give_you_gum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:24:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Roger leaving me one less option, if I owned an iPhone which I don't and probably wont
Dawgi100 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:33:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You realize every phone comes with a dongle adaptor?
Minor inconvenience. But the jack is still there if you NEED it.
i_give_you_gum ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:45:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
not sure what dongle you're referring to, a bluetooth dongle?
square credit card isnt bluetooth yet?
or are you referring to some kind of adapter for the type b plug that has a female 1/8 jack?
Because even if there's one of those, that means i cant charge my phone at the same time i want to play music through the FM transmitter, to my cars stereo.
Dawgi100 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:02:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Female 1/8 jack. And yes you give that up. But you have a choice to make. It's not like you're incapable of using a 1/8 jack of you want.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:57:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except they are providing an analog adapter with every device ...
Doomsider ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:20:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As I mentioned already it is all about proprietary hardware and locking people in. What happens when you lose your adapter or need a new one. Have fun paying Apple prices for it.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:30:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can pair any bluetooth headphone or earbuds you want and you can connect any analog headphone to the included dongle, so please, tell us more about how Apple is locking us in to their proprietary hardware.
DRM for music is driven by the music industry, Apple has no interest in it and Steve Jobs even famously wrote an open letter to the music industry about it. http://macdailynews.com/2007/02/06/apple_ceo_steve_jobs_posts_rare_open_letter_thoughts_on_music/
Sorry about shitting all over your cynical tirade.
Doomsider ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:39:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What are you shitting on. You identify a new piece of proprietary hardware you have to buy from apple but then deny locking you in. I am guessing fanboy or devils advocate at this point, but maybe you are just crazy.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:24:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What you describe is not lock-in. Lock-in is when you lock your customer in so that they have no choice but to deal with you or face substantial loss. Printer ink is a good example, if it's DRM'ed the customer has no choice but to buy from that printer company. Simply making a product that only works with one other product is not lock-in.
lomelyo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:06:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's going to be 9.00 dollars. Not expensive for a 800 dollar phone.
Doomsider ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:17:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow that is really nice of them to not rip people totally off. I mean they are still making a really good profit, but at least it is not rape. Good for them!
lomelyo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:23:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No they are not. Their number one priority is for you to buy the 800 dollar phone and buy apps in their app store. That's how they make their money. They get 30% of every sale in the App Store. Nintendo is getting in the app store. It makes no sense what you are suggesting.
They believe, along with many people on the industry that switching the 3.5mm jack is good and that switching to one cable is the trend. Which is why they do it. They did it because they thought this would allow them to sell more iphones.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Doomsider ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:19:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What happens when it breaks or wears out... oh yeah buy another from Apple!
mrbear120 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:47:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yah just like all the chargers, headphones, and phone cases we have have to get from them now...oh wait..
coinpile ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:52:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apple is including a lightning to 3.5mm adapter with every iPhone 7 and 7 Plus.
MAADcitykid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:29:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If that's even remotely the case I'm never upgrading from My iPhone 6
yellingatrobots ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:34:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bingo. This is the exact reason I will not be buying anymore Apple products. The walled garden is turning into a prison.
Leafblight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:11:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's like what Sony Ericsson did back in the day when they had their own special port
SmallzMafia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:29:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Evil, evil geniuses.
RebornPastafarian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:20:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why could they not sell the wireless ear buds without removing the headphone jack?
Book_talker_abouter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:00:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure you know that Apple has a pretty long history of fighting against content DRM. Jobs wrote an open letter about this 10 years ago: http://www.apple.com/kr/hotnews/thoughtsonmusic/
Fa6ade ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:30:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah except Apple have been campaigning to eliminate DRM for basically got forever?
andonevris ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:15:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ding ding ding....we have a winner
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:03:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As if I needed another reason to hate apple.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:54:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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digicow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:34:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
USB audio supports right management, too. The music industry doesn't use it. Apple spearheaded the effort to remove DRM from the iTunes Music store -- they're not interested in locking users into rights management.
Tim CookPhil Schiller explicitly said that that's not a factor in this decision. You can say that he's lying, but lying outright isn't really Apple's style, nor is it precedented.Edit: wrong Apple guy
Doomsider ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:52:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why do you need the technology unless you have a plan to use it. The simple fact is Apple can and will likely use this technology to lockout competition and sell more proprietary hardware.
They will already be selling their exclusive Ipod dongle and who knows if a third party can also make these or if there are in fact an encrypted and locked down adapter.
I think you confuse DRM systems like HDCP with DRM like seen in the old Itunes. They are entirely different with one being related to hardware and the other related to software.
The industry can't easily adopt this technology until it is actually possible. Well guess what!
digicow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:53:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's been possible. USB Audio supports the same DRM capabilities as Lightning.
Doomsider ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:57:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry but how has it been possible with devices that have analog outputs. The Industry would need to have a lot of devices that have no option in order to really move forward with standard encryption and rights management for all audio delivery.
digicow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:59:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm saying, people have had the capability of sending audio around on USB Audio for years and the industry has expressed zero interest in enforcing any kind of rights management on that, even though USB Audio supports that. Extrapolating from that, they would similarly not be interested in doing so on Lightning Audio
Doomsider ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:15:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What your saying makes no sense as long as we have devices that can easily go around encryption with a analog port. I am not sure you understand what this means.
digicow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:22:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So you're saying on Android, the OS or an app couldn't prevent audio playback on the analog port so that you'd be forced to use DRM'd USB Audio output? Cause the iPhone definitely could've done that anytime before now if that's what they'd wanted to do
Doomsider ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:29:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Once again you have a analog port that goes around this. Are you suggesting they would eliminate the way most people access their device.
Back to my point, it is not possible or practical to do this while there is a analog port on a device.
digicow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:30:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think you read any part of my last comment
Doomsider ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:33:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I did, please read mine. Are you suggesting they would eliminate the way most people access their device by turning off a port.
This is silly, suddenly people would no longer be able to use their head phones. Now if all they have is just one port that is not analog and their devices are not either it is possible to force a change like this.
Not sure if you are just being argumentative at this point or you are being serious.
digicow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:37:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ok. So now the iPhone only has one port. You plug the cute little Lighting-to-3.5mm dongle Apple supplies with every iPhone 7, and now you have an analog audio output. Are you saying that Apple would "eliminate the way most people access their device by turning off a port" to prevent people from extracting DRM-free audio through it?
Doomsider ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:46:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You accused me of not reading your post, but now you have done it twice.
Just one port that is not analog and their devices (read headphones) are not either.
You have to meet these conditions to make it practical to implement something like HDCP for audio in new Apple devices.
Please do not get me wrong, this is my opinion and where I think this will lead in the end. I could be wrong but also no one would have believed MS would one day be collecting a ton of information about usage habits to sell to advertisers when it all started out as "security updates to protect you computer" back in the days of XP.
These things tend to get abused, that is just the nature of things. I do hope I am wrong.
digicow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:51:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apple made an explicit public statement to the press that that was not their goal of this change. That's a pretty stupid thing to do if you're going to turn around and start applying DRM to stuff.
More than that, though, Apple has been siding with the users. They fought hard with the music industry to get iTunes Music store audio to be DRM free. Eventually they won, and now the music you buy from them has no DRM. Seems a little silly to go through all that just to apply DRM here.
Further, they've had 3rd party lightning audio devices on the market for a while. No sign of DRM.
Finally, you're misunderstanding something: iOS could, at any time, disable the user's analog audio port if it wanted to enforce digital DRM restrictions. In that sense, there is literally no difference between the analog port on the iPhone 6S and the one at the end of the Lightning adapter on the iPhone 7: they are both DRM-free analog audio jacks that could be disabled at the Operating System's discretion for DRM purposes. That's never happened before, though, and it won't now.
Doomsider ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:08:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, it happened with High Definition and now you are arguing what exactly. It seems to me you are saying for instance that when streaming 4k from their devices in the future they do not plan on adopting the industry standard so their devices work.
I am not sure you have thought this through honestly, and really what is so bad about HDCP anyways other than it just causes a lot of annoying incompatibility issues for hardware. It sure does keep people buying the latest and greatest though which is right up Apple's alley.
You are misunderstanding a lot. Companies don't get along very well pissing off their customers, but a change like this can be implemented when it only affects a small percentage of users is possible (See PS3 disabling Linux).
Since most people will be wireless or using new proprietary headphones it would not be an issue to just disable the port option (or not even make it) in the future.
It won't even come to that though because likely what will happen is the analog will simply be downgraded/degraded as per industries wishes which has already happened in the past.
So in the end the next next version of the Iphone might not even have an analog option at all and will likely be fully HDCP compliant.
digicow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:19:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're ignoring that Apple could've done that all along, and that Apple is the one fighting the music industry to make DRM audio not a thing.
Getting rid of the functionality that makes the analog adapter work is a nonstarter. It doesn't benefit them or their goals. They'd never do it. But hey, if they ever do, I promise I'll come right back here and admit you were right.
Doomsider ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:45:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Well as I was saying they will include some form of HDCP with their wireless streaming technology because they will have to. I don't think you understand the difference between DRM in HDCP and DRM in a file. They are not the same thing.
Ok I will take that promise, you come to me and admit you are wrong when Apple includes the proper specs in order to stream HD at 4K. You think it won't happen, which is well.... not even sure what to say, but good luck on that bet.
Oh yeah just in case you think it is not an issue already.
http://www.macworld.com.au/help/problems-with-apple-tv-airplay-and-hdcp-restrictions-20230/#.V9FrLPkrJD8
http://macmad.org/blog/2014/05/hdcp-prevents-legit-viewing/
digicow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:47:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, I do understand that difference. I'm not talking about video and HDCP. I'm talking about streaming audio over the Lightning port. And I'm assuring you that that will not create any new restrictions as a result of the analog port's removal.
Doomsider ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:05:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Really I am confused why you think the lightning port is not already locked down.
"Official Lightning connectors contain an authentication chip that was intended to make it difficult for third-party manufacturers to produce compatible accessories without being approved by Apple"
So your saying Apple's current workaround (by downgrading signal through reprocessing) for HDCP that is not 4k capable will continue to be used. That they will not make a HDMI adapter for lightning and they will not include HDCP in their streaming technology so that they can obtain 4k resolutions.
If you really believe Apple will never join the 4k club or find some workaround please let me know.
digicow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:07:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have no idea why you keep redirecting this to video. I'm only talking about audio, since the conversation is about the removal of the analog audio port, which didn't support video.
Doomsider ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:52:49 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well apparently you think the lightning port is "open" when it is not and also believe that the audio is not encrypted already which it is.
I am at a bit of a loss at what your point is anymore, but that is probably my problem not yours.
digicow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:54:25 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not encrypted after passing it through the analog adapter. Making the situation exactly the same as it was pre-iPhone 7.
Doomsider ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:56:56 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
lol, what is this an exercise in semantics. It is encrypted and then decrypted for the the analog adapter. Are you suggesting that currenty internally that iphone encrypts audio before it is decrypted to go out the analog.
If you have some insight into this then please tell.
digicow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:05:11 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not at all. I am saying that that that's entirely irrelevant. In both cases, you get analog audio out, and the phone has the ability to degrade or disable that output if the content demands it; encryption is just a tool toward that end, it's not the only possible mechanism
mirhagk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:17:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The difference here is that if a headset suddenly did that then noone would buy the headset. Apple is able to push this out to half the market, and what's more is they control both the headsets and the phone, so it is possible.
Now I don't see music DRM being a thing here. Instead what I see is them introducing private, exclusive APIs that only apple manufactured headsets can use. Or even just proprietary APIs that android would have to license (or not have at all). It's easy to imagine stuff like surround sound, or controls or even APIs that allow a faster more raw source of audio, which decreases latency, or improves quality.
That is something apple would definitely do. And get away with. (After all they've done it for safari on the iPhones for god knows how long)
digicow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:30:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There already are (and were, before today), Lightning headphones. There already are (and were, before today), Bluetooth headphones that worked with previous iPhones, the iPhone 7, and future iPhones.
There is nothing like the AirPods already on the market -- Apple seemingly had to add proprietary extensions to the Bluetooth protocol so that when phone and speakers are both Apple-controlled, better audio and other control features can be used. Will 3rd party devices have access to this? No, probably not. But the real point is that the Bluetooth committee should see this and get comparable industry-standard features added to the spec, which Apple will someday support.
It's not quite as benevolent as, say, Tesla, whose cars are designed to be proof of concept and they give away their patents to make it happen. There is a concept of profit involved ("We implemented this better than anyone else, so we should make money from it till everyone else catches up"). But it will improve the market as a whole, and that's a worthy thing
mirhagk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:10:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
LOL. Just like USB? We got type-C now, there's absolutely no reason for lightning.
The difference is that most other companies don't control both sides of the market (heck the competitors don't even really control both hardware and software, it's 2 separate companies) so they will improve on things and make it in a way that is either an open standard or something very close to.
Sure they should be allowed to reap from their own inventions, but it's not really reaping from their own inventions here, it's reaping from the fact that they have unfair business practices (exposing crappy APIs to everyone else, but using a better one internally). Just like NFC where they exclude anyone else to give their payment platform a chance to survive. They didn't invent NFC, they just chose to make it so that the hardware was artificially locked down.
It's not like they are doing groundbreaking inventions here. Everything iPhone does has been in an android phone for at least a year before it makes it into an iPhone.
digicow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:17:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
NFC payment was a miniscule niche with glacial rollout plans before Apple Pay. Now people can actually use it in the real world. That's a significant advantage. No, they didn't invent it, they just made it useable, just like they did with USB.
mirhagk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:23:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah see I live in Canada where our banks and payment systems don't suck with rollouts. We got chip and pin a decade ago, we've had NFC tap on debit/credit cards for a while now (quite a bit before apple pay I could use tap pretty much everywhere) and we don't have a penny.
digicow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:56:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Time will tell, but nothing in Apple's history suggests that this is the case. Phil Schiller even told the press explicitly, โThe idea that thereโs some ulterior motive behind this move, or that it will usher in some new form of content management, it simply isnโt true,โ he says. โWe are removing the audio jack because we have developed a better way to deliver audio. It has nothing to do with content management or DRM โ thatโs pure, paranoid conspiracy theory.โ
Maybe he's lying, but it's a pretty stupid lie to tell when you could just... not do that.
Doomsider ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:02:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Really who knows who will be in charge of Apple in even five years and Apple's history isn't anything to get excited about considering they have always and continue to struggle with their proprietary nature and their walled garden philosophies.
Maybe they will continue to open up and release their stranglehold, but in the past they have been quick to sue and go patent supernova on competition which does not speak highly of their IP especially considering how absolutely borrowed it has always been.
digicow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:06:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're certainly much better than they used to be. They open sourced the base of their operating system, their web browser, and their programming language.
They worked with Intel on technology like Thunderbolt, instead of continuing to stick with Firewire. They forced the industry to adopt its own standard of USB in the 90s. Lightning is an outlier, but only because the USB standard wasn't keeping up technically at the time. The Airpods use Bluetooth instead of some proprietary RF.
I'd say that their recent history definitely indicates a good trajectory toward openness and away from closed, proprietary systems.
lomelyo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:11:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
lol if you think they care about drm music in 2016. Apple of all people, they even released itunes match for pirated music.
They can't lockout the competition, this is going to push Android to adopt and develop the USB-C standard which they will eventually. And apple will adopt it eventually too, because they already have with the Macbook.
This is a good thing for technology. You'll see when you hear in 2 or 3 years people trying to argue how Apple didn't have anything to do with this.
Doomsider ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:27:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure how you are confusing something like the DRM in HDCP with the DRM in music. One is a standard for transmission in the digital realm the other is a method of protection for a file. Not the same thing.
They can't lockout the competition, not sure if we are talking about the same company. Sure they have made some strides in opening up but they are NOT an open platform or anything like that.
This is neither good or bad for technology it just is. I would not argue Apple has had anything to do with innovation except mass marketing it.
That is hardly a sign of progression rather proliferation of one version or viewpoint of what technology could be. In the end their choices around openness has cost them the cell phone market they once dominated.
lomelyo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:47:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I guess I understand what you meant. That it's unfair that people have to pay the $4 dollar licensing fee for the Lighting and that they are using that to lockout competition. I don't think that fee is going to achieve that. HDCP does suck, true. But any digital standard is going to have it, regardless of who makes it, I don't think it will affect audio because it can't be protected in the same way because AFAIK there are no digital speakers yet.
I think that this will push other phone manufacturers to push for USB-C which they inexplicable haven't done. So I think it's a good thing that Apple makes their products better.
The lighting connector is many many many many times better than Micro-USB and the Galaxy s7 doesn't even have it. It's fucking ridiculous.
It's easy to criticize Apple because one phone represents the whole ecosystem, but every single manufacturer out there is worse. Collectively, they come up with things that can compete. But so far there is no perfect phone. Just preferences.
Doomsider ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:55:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Totally agree with you here. Yes it would be nice to be using open standards and have an open platform. We just are not their yet and so far Apple in my opinion has done little to actually change their course.
They are proprietary and closed and in the end (once again just my opinion) actually work against the progress of technology by not adopting the open standards that would free hardware and software from the control of marketers, licencors, and bureaucrats.
lomelyo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:02:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your opinion is fair. I think we are making a distinction here though. The people who actually ship the standards are the ones pushing the worldwide progress of technology.
Apple pushes the progress of technology for a select few, who likes things a certain way and in a capitalistic way, which due to its rapid changing nature can be unfair to the consumer. Fortunately, technology advances so fast, that others do catch up.
natas206 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:18:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Right. Apple has been doing this for ages. They always make money off their adapters and additional hardware. Remember ADB cables? Now of course there is the USB-C port on their MacBook, which would be fine if it wasn't literally the only port, meaning you have to buy their overpriced adaptor/hub to connect everything else. "But the future! Everything is wireless!" no, it's about making money.
wprtogh ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 01:51:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ding ding ding! This is the correct answer.
vaesh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:05:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
fuck off with your dings. like you're the decider of the correct answer.
imperabo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:44:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
THIS is the correct answer.
elephasmaximus ยท 468 points ยท Posted at 00:56:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I really don't understand the issue of having a super slim phone.
I don't even touch my new smartphone until I put it in a case. The majority of people use protective cases on their phones.
What is the point of having a super slim phone when it is just going to go in a bulky case?
[deleted] ยท 130 points ยท Posted at 01:42:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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asemodeus ยท 124 points ยท Posted at 02:08:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's the Galaxy S7 Active. You can beat a small child senseless with one without damaging it.
808909707 ยท 64 points ยท Posted at 02:54:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As someone watching his wife argue with a two year old while reading this, your comment made me laugh extremely inappropriately.
Disclaimer: I love my kid and would never beat them with a phone. That's what we have a dog for.
Whind_Soull ยท 98 points ยท Posted at 03:08:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You beat your kid with your dog?
Elbradamontes ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 05:32:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What an idiot. The dog beats the kid with the phone.
DebonaireSloth ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 06:53:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Like this
psykad ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:06:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What the fuck...
ShowMeFunnyPics ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:06:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure it's the other way around.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:40:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
you beat a phone with a dog?
ShowMeFunnyPics ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:20:50 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, he beat his kid with a dog.
JerrSolo ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:52:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And a sack of sweet valencia oranges.
TheGrey_Wolf ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 03:56:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you beat your dog, i hope your dick falls off with gangrene.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:18:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think we can safely assume he is joking.
or he's truly terrible and beats his dog and child
TheGrey_Wolf ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 05:46:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And that was where the "if" came in. Smh.
808909707 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:25:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To quote the great philosopher 50 Cent:
"They say I walk around like got a S on my chest"
PyroDesu ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:30:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds perfect, I love hardware that feels like I could murder someone with it.
(Seriously, I just really like a good, solid device. I don't mind an extra bit of heft - in fact, I like it. What's the point of hardware that feels like handling a thin sheet of glass?)
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:12:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There are good compromises on this. For years the Mac laptops felt much sturdier than 95% of the competition. Phones have done what the laptop market did, though. There's precious little market for a Panasonic Toughbook of mobile phones.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:59:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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asemodeus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:08:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I keep forgetting about that shortcut button on mine.
Frys100thCupofCoffee ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:27:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I suppose that's better than being beaten savagely with jumper cables by your father.
pttoau ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:41:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's...Frighteningly specific.
Vakoner ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:16:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
actually mine's slippery than soap with out a cover.... NO FKIN CLUE HOW
also consumer reports scared me of letting even moisture close to it...
i miss my last gen nexus sniff sniff ='(
filled_with_bees ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:46:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't know samsung merged with nokia
DadJokesFTW ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:18:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Plus the giant battery. I love holding my small tank that runs all day on a charge, fuck slim phones.
AnonymoustacheD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:12:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As long as the child isn't in the pool
SCphotog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:18:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's camouflaged? Just what an outdoors person needs. A phone that disappears if you drop it in the woods.
Sampetra ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:51:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Adrian Peterson's new spokesman gig.
baneoficarus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:05:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It also has theft deterrent.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:17:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Still using an s5 active here. 3 years in its been washed multiple times, submerged multiple times, dropped, thrown, smacked, kicked, stepped out, and left outside for 2 days straight in temperatures under 15 degrees Fahrenheit and parked on top of by a jeep liberty for 8 hours before being found.
My battery has maybe 2 less hours per charge than when I got it but I'm pretty sure that's an age thing.
kikitron ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:58:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The BEST thread and all too Tru reasoning behind phone strength. ARE YOU LISTENING PJINE ENGINEERS?
old_greggggg ยท 148 points ยท Posted at 01:48:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Easy now fuzzy little man peach. Let's not get logical.
theunknown21 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:58:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shut up old gregggg, put away that mangina
tossoneout ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:05:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
www.catphones.com
NOT phones for cats
ToasTeR1094 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:31:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Still clicked on this hoping it would be feline related.
Lifeisallthatmatters ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:28:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you. TAICS.
Why_are_you_so_dumb_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:05:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Whatcha doin in mah waters?
old_greggggg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:50:14 on September 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wanna go to club where people wee on each other?
Quaaraaq ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:07:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They make those, I have a 6S Active, it has a built in case.
sdguero ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:02:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Samsung Active line...
EvrythingISayIsRight ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:17:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why dont they just make the phone as thin and beautiful as possible then let the end user decide how much protection they want. Hell, let them even pick how it looks and feels, too! Oh yeah, and make the outer portion cheap and replaceable in case it gets damaged, so they dont have to buy a whole new phone. I think I'm onto something here...
Cronock ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:39:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is honestly one big reason. A thinner case means that quality protective case such as the Magpul cases don't have to be HUGE like the original Otterbox cases to offer the same level of protection. But with thin, you get a choice. I would prefer a thicker phone with more battery, but I see the appeal. You can be compatible with a broader audience this way, and that's exactly what Apple wants
Korbitr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:15:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What, like this?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:15:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There are a few phones that do that. The Samsung Active is one of the more popular ones with carrier availability in the US.
There are some more obscure ones, such as those sold under the Catapillar brand-name, one of them even has a FLIR camera built-in.
A_BOMB2012 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:38:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because different people want differently levels of protection. Some people are willing to have little protection in favor of a slimmer phone get a thinner case, and people who are willing to get a thicker case for more protection buy that. And cases allow people to customize the appearance of their phone. Additionally cases can be easily changed if you want to go a different direction, or if it gets damaged.
Oggel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:04:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I use a case so that wheni drop my phone (not if, you always drop your phone eventually) I can just change my cracked case for like $10 instead of having to change a cracked screen.
hexane360 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:40:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Complete non sequitur. The question was why phones weren't made rugged to begin with, and you answered "I use a case so my screen won't break".
Oggel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:09:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My point is that it doesn't matter how "rugged" you make a phone, it can still break. But if you have a case, the case breaks first and you can just change it instead of having to change the screen or get a new phone.
TheHiddenYolo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:40:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because you remove the option of not having to use a case and having a super slim phone. Making the phone itself bulky and rugged would be the same as removing the headphone jack, it removes the consumer's option of choosing whether or not they want it a certain way.
hexane360 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:39:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because apparently the market is new enough that people still don't know what they want. People buy shiny thin phones because they don't realize a thicker one would give twice the battery life and fall protection.
Acidplumber ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:18:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Money...
DeathByChainsaw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:11:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Best reason is when you have a case and you beat it up enough, you can replace it. or if you simply want your phone to look/feel different, replace the case. Then again, I'm a clumsy and style obsessed loser, so you can do your own thing.
jaredjeya ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:41:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because cases add a bit of personality to a phone, and also make them easier to distinguish.
stationhollow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:17:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because not everyone is a clumsy oaf that somehow drops their phone so often.
AtomTrapper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:49:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey! As a clumsy oaf that always drops my phone, I resent that comment!
brickmaster32000 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:00:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Like a Nokia?
Alexstarfire ยท 216 points ยท Posted at 01:08:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To make a phone case market? Honest, idk because I've never used a case.
Serantos ยท 335 points ยท Posted at 01:35:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck Yeah, naked phone master race, no screen protector either.
[deleted] ยท 372 points ยท Posted at 01:40:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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StatelyPlumpRedPanda ยท 132 points ยท Posted at 01:44:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Otterbox master race
aga080 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:20:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
there is nothing better than the otterbox. pelican schmelican everything else is garbage
el_canelo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:37:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Better than lifeproof? I've only ever used lifeproof and it kept my phone safe, and I think it was slimmer than otterboxes... I never really tested its limits though.
awhaling ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:38:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Definitely better but it's not waterproof. The rubber helps a ton with protecting the shock, unlike the life proof.
Source: have both. Use lifeproof at the beach and otterbox when longerboading because my phone falls out all the time while longboarding but I keep it in case I need for an emergency
el_canelo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:43:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nice, good to know thanks for the info
awhaling ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:51:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sure thing, I use the commuter and it's sufficient. There is a better one, but it has a screen protector built in. I hate those with a passion. So I got the second best one in terms of defense. It's much slimmer, and the the rubber boarders are big enough to protect the screen. I have dropped it many times while going 30+ longboarding and my phone falls out and tumbles down the hill. Commuter works great, but the defender is better, just too bulky for not that much more protection.
I have the commuter for both the 5 and the 6s
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:23:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Where it on yo hip so they know that we hip
Source: am not hip
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:41:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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coinpile ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:49:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That case isn't going to do a bit of good if you apply pressure to the screen only, which I'm assuming your friend did. He didn't think about the physics!
TheGrey_Wolf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:55:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Physics aside, that's just plain stupidity.
samwam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:31:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Full circle...
El_Fap_itan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:51:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck Otterbox. Mustard race.
Shux_ ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 01:54:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Troy and Abed in the morning!
Skadwick ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 02:44:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd honestly like to see a study on this. Most of the people I know in the software field with me go with no cases, and I never see them with damaged phones.
you_looser ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:53:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've gone years without a screen protector or case. I have one scratch...from when I handed my phone to my wife and she dropped it.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:41:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't broken a phone in that long either. But by giant, slick, hard-to-hold iphone 6s has eaten shit and shattered twice in the last 4 months.
Still won't use a case.
chucktheskiffie ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:45:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ha well now you're fucked. Guaranteed to drop it in the next 24 hours...
ForceBlade ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:40:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same and the one time a year I do, nothing bad happens when I check
Emay75 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:43:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's like saying I don't buy insurance for my car because I've never gotten in a crash..accidents happen
MasterDefibrillator ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:53:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not at all comparable. The most useful part of car insurance is third party, so you can cover damage you do to other peoples expensive cars. that's not a thing for phones.
Pluxar ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:53:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you have an android you can just buy a screen replacement on amazon for like $10, for the one time it happens.
DelusionalSocialist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:00:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Depends on the phone. My screen (Moto X 2014) is almost impossible to replace.
Besides, a new screen is closer to โฌ100 than to โฌ10 iirc. That's partly because replacing the screen requires to replace half the casing.
kukendran ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:51:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How would insurance equate to screen covers or protectors? Neither are gonna be a guarantee of safety nor will they reimburse you for losses even if your phone broke/cracked while using them. Most protectors and cases can't seem to go a good enough job to justify even having one.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:55:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If t happens that rarely, however, it's worth paying for that one freak accident (if it even occurs) instead of throwing away money every month "just in case."
jakibaki ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:55:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But op made it seem like they are bound to happen.
boxzonk ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:43:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Accidents happen. You're betting $600 that you won't drop it every time you touch it when there's not a case on it. If you're comfortable with that, that's fine I guess.
I haven't ever broken a screen on a phone, until 3 months ago. It still sucked to shell out 500 smackers for a new one, and I'm reasonably well off. I'd say a $15 phone case is a worthwhile investment (and my phone only wasn't in one because mine had fallen apart a few weeks before and I was too lazy to order a replacement).
The best thing would be a phone manufacturer that built the device so that there was a bezel or something and it was difficult to break the screen.
booboothechicken ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:44:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Touch screen phones haven't even been a thing for 15 years.
DelusionalSocialist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:58:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fun fact, my screen cracked while being 'safely' inside my pocket. Most have bumped into something. (Moto X 2014, which is known for having a fragile screen)
Zajdo1993 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 02:39:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol you must not use it much.
faux__mulder ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 01:53:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've had one Android phone screen get cracked in the 7+ years I've been using them. You have to be incredibly stupid to crack the screen on an Android phone. I say that as an incredibly clumsy person that drops his phone at least once a week.
AbigailLilac ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:50:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was like you until it happened to me with my Nexus 5. One day I stopped to take a picture of a lovely purple flower, I lost my footing, and the phone landed face down on the pavement. I still remember the feeling of my stomach dropping as I caught my first look at the screen.
faux__mulder ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:52:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was like me until I was running to class and dropped my galaxy note 2. Nothing has happened since then or before then. Hell my G1 is still in great condition despite all the abuse it got.
notacyborg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:44:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Man, I was walking across the parking lot with some co-workers and somehow flung my Nexus 5 like a frisbee across the pavement (I was pulling it from my pocket and somehow did this). It landed face down and slid for about 25 feet. Not a scratch and no cracks. I was honestly shocked.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:57:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Unless its a Sony phone, shatters like suger glass and the screen stops working. A finger nail could probably scratch the screen.
causeicancan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:03:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I used to be a member of the No Case Master Race, but then my Android phone screen died entirely when it fell from the breast inside pocket of my motorcycle jacket to land on a linoleum floor. I'm 5'8" so that shouldn't be a significant fall, but it did the phone in. And no I didn't look at the board and see if there was something that just needed solder.
Now I use a phone case, but I still own an old phone. I might have conceded the phone case ground, but I'm still holding the "Hardly use it--just try to convince me to pay for an upgrade I don't need ground."
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:48:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah seriously. How do so many people crack their screens? Did your parents not teach you to respect your stuff? I've only cracked one screen as well and it's because a tire rolled over it while I was putting on a spare. I didn't realize the tire was heavy enough to cause so much damage on its own. I never use a case.
bananenkonig ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:02:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had mine crack in my front pocket. All I was doing was sitting down on an amusement park ride. Nothing I can think of would have broken it except maybe the lap bar but maybe. I just know I got off the ride and went to look at my phone and it had bleed through and a semi noticeable in a certain light crack down the center.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:16:42 on September 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I learned from my first Android to face the screen towards my leg when its in my pocket for this very reason.
bananenkonig ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:33:07 on September 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
After that happened I learned that lesson as well.
toth42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:31:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not true. I've never cracked any of mine, but I've seen plenty of cracked Galaxy Sx. Especially now with the little curve on the screen, a pocket drop when exiting your car is enough.
Source: wife did it yesterday, her screen is now dead and she uses my old Huawei Mediapad as a phone.
monkeybrain3 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 02:04:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am no case, no screen protector and I use it in the gym and haven't had it break at all. I went from an HD2 to a S7 so I've had it that long. The only reason I ungraded finally was because the buttons were beginning to fail.
I don't know what people do that they just drop their phones constantly. If you can't hold onto a phone maybe a $500+ accessory isn't right for you.
kohlzor ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:55:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am the same way! They made the iPhone thin for a reason why add a bulky case to ruin aesthetics and then have that brick sit in your pocket.. Enjoy the phone the way they designed it to be..
booboothechicken ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:43:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yea, you say that until it happens to you, and then you understand how fragile they can be. I went 5+ years without a case, couldn't understand how people crack their screens. Then one day my morning wake up alarm went off and I slightly fumbled it, it bounced off the carpet and tapped the edge of the nightstand, completely shattered the screen.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:51:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It has happened to me once in my 10 or so years of owning phones. It was from a rare incident and honestly since it is such a rare occurrence for me, I still don't use cases. So no. Once it happens to you you don't understand. It's like being hit by a car because you didn't look both ways. Look both ways! Look after your phone!
booboothechicken ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:52:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, people with common sense understand. Getting hit by a car is rare too, by your logic that means DON'T look.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:20:22 on September 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No? Look both ways when crossing the street and fucking hold your phone when you're using it. Simple as that. I've been told for years that I'll drop my phone and regret not having a case and so far so wrong. Have some responsibility, people. It's not hard to treat your electronics with respect.
billhound ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:44:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or you buy a case? You're smug.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:54:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Let me put a case on my stylish $800 smartphone so no one can see it. Let me also put bubble wrap on my brand new Camero as well. In fact I should put plastic coverings all over my clothes so they don't get stains and on my furniture.
Do you see why cases make no sense?
MrZukiniHead ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:57:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Hey, let's not buy insurance because I've never been in an accident."
I think you may change your tune on the day that $800 becomes a paperweight. In the mean time, have fun with your "style".
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:18:54 on September 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No I will not. I can afford it. I know the small risk. But I'm responsible and am not worried about it anyway. If my clumsy friend drops it while drinking however I'll pay, no big deal. Putting a case on a beautiful phone is really extra. I stand by my Camero reference. It's just dumb. But people don't think this way because they're used to it.
billhound ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:33:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think you're angry.
I travel a lot for work. If my phone breaks, I literally cannot get my work done. It's my mobile office.
You better believe I protect it from the many cabs I get in and out of, the planes I travel on, the hotels I visit. Without that phone, I make my company no money and that sucks.
You're right, it's an expensive smartphone...and the amount of chances it has of breaking in a day are insane. Why wouldn't I protect it?
You've never gotten a girl pregnant without a condom either.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:01:20 on September 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am angry that the industry has pushed "put a case on it" instead of just making their hardware more durable. That's not what angers me though. What angers me is people like you who think you're better than people like me because you don't know how to hold something.
billhound ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:49 on September 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You are angry. Stop being so mad that I am ok with a case and you aren't.
I've never said you're wrong, it's just I have to rely on my phone. I can't take chances. Let's put it this way, I'd rather look silly with a case and have a flush bank account than have it break and miss an important meeting because I can't find the place.
We have different lives, but I do believe that you're the angry one telling me why I'm dumb.
LolItsGeorgieBest ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 02:44:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"$500 accessory"....
Lol, you sound like a tool.
keyboardname ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:49:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
my phone cost $12, bring on the cracked screen
legendaryPeen ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:55:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jitterbug?
imperabo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:42:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You put the boom-boom into my heart . . .
keyboardname ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:04:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
no, some cheap ass android tracfone
DoxedByReddit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:52:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I cracked my first phone ever a few months ago (been using Android since 08) it's not a bad crack and honestly I spend 99% of my time on reddit with the black background where you literally can't see it at all. That's my defense. And it had a fucking case on it anyway!
I even bought a new phone and returned it because I just can't be bothered spending that money when I love my old, beater Nexus 6 so much. I'll get something eventually.
LonePaladin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:52:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's easy to spot the Screen Crackers. Just look for Band-Aids on both thumbs and index fingers.
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rustid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:00:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Had a case, cracked my screen. Can i still be part of the master race?
stationhollow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:15:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've had my iPhone 6 for almost two years with no case or screen protector. There are no scratches on the screen and minimal damage to the corners and back. I've dropped it multiple times but never in a way that would destroy it. This is my 3rd iPhone. I have never had a broken screen although earlier models seemed to scratch easier on the glass.
MakeMine5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:52:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Never cracked a phone screen, never use a bulky case or screen protector.
PartySmasher89 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:54:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Having just smashed the screen on my caseless, screen-protectorless Galaxy S6 edge+ this hit home way too hard.
CuzImAtWork ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:56:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe it's just the way I've carried my phones, but I've always had a naked phone from my Nexus 1, S and now 5 and I've never had a cracked / badly scratched screen. Some light scratches on the case I guess.
Why_are_you_so_dumb_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:04:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Screen replacement at Apple. $129.
Insurance claim. $99.
Case that'll actually protect your phone $60+.
Decent screen protector. $10-$30.
Not worth fucking with my aesthetics.
Atheist_Republican ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:20:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Meh, I have never used a screen protector or case or anything in over a decade of smartphone use. I've also never had a cracked screen. But I also don't go around dropping my phone everywhere or whatever it is most people do. Although now I've probably jinxed myself.
VonGeisler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:21:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've had each iPhone that was available in Canada and never had a case/protector - I cracked the screen once in 9 years.
Wegmans4Ever ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:31:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know. I never had a case on my Droid, Revolution, or S4. None of them ever cracked. I had one on my Note 5 and S7 though. Mostly cause I dropped my S4 so much the back got all scratched up, and the plastic chrome edges had big chunks missing. The screen and functionality were fine though.
I don't understand how so many people shatter their screens...
Watch. I'm gonna fucking break my screen now.
fb5a1199 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:51:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
0 cases, 0 cracked screens, 0 iPhones. Checkmate atheists.
komali_2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:55:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
8 years, never broke a smartphone. Been through an iphone 3gs, galaxy s1, s3, and s5.
The longer I go without breaking a phone, the more terrified I become of breaking my phone...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:38:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Never had a case an never cracked my screen
seattledreamer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:42:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is me 8 hours ago. On an old HTC now after sitting on my naked 1+1 screen facing outward. No idea what phone to get now.
NWVoS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:44:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have had a smartphone for the last 6 years. I have never had a case or screen protector on any of them. I also have never had a cracked screen.
notacyborg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:46:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've had numerous Android phones (about 9) and 2 iPhones. Both iPhones have cracks. The Android phones are blemish-free. All of my android phone had Gorilla Glass. I'm not sure what cheap glass Apple is using on their phones, but it's awful.
Pluxar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:52:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then I'll just buy a screen replacement for $10 on amazon.
dqingqong ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:18:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Non cracked Android master race
cheesybstrd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:54:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Only if you use Iphone. I've used my galaxy with out a case, Still no cracks on screen. No scratches. And I know I do drop it a little more than occasionally.
thungurknifur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:57:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone I've seen operating a phone with a cracked screen had an Iphone.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:00:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
tbh, I really dont care about the cracked screen. I only really use it as a hotspot anyway, or at work on the shitter.
Fa6ade ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:31:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or be like me and never drop your phone because you're not a moron who drops things all the time. I've had my 6s for a year and it doesn't have a single scratch on it.
Quatroking ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:21:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Two years naked non-crack going on strong
CaptainCupcakez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:35:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've used iPhones without screen protectors for 8 years. Never once broken the screen.
big_troublemaker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:20:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Somehow I'm struggling to reach this final step of evolution, I've been trying for many, many moons... using smartphones since before they became a thing, never had a screen protector, never had a case...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:39:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What do you bulky Cade people do with your phone's? I've never accidentally cracked a screen. You just take your phone out carefully and slowly. Hold it firmly. It's not magic, it's common sense.
dblink ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:10:36 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've been rocking smartphones since the first iPhone and have never cracked the screen or damaged it from dropping, and I'm pretty klutzy.
Mark_Vii_Man ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:14:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Androids dont have to worry about glass breaking with a decent case, Gorilla Glass ftw
cocktails5 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:05:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Started with a Moto Droid in 2009, have yet to even scratch a screen let along crack one. No case, no screen protector. I have no idea what the fuck people are doing to their phones, tbh.
Imadethosehitmanguns ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:12:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You, like every case-less phone owner, will find out that glass can be very strong or very fragile depending on how it's struck. Just because it survived a fall doesn't mean it will survive a similar one. It will happen to you, but until then, bask in the bliss of ignorance ๐
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:52:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I cannot stand the ruined optics from a screen protector, yeeeeech.
onlyforthisair ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:05:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just get a tempered glass screen protector.
Imadethosehitmanguns ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:14:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Protect the glass with glass!
But no, they are awesome and do work
dewhashish ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:57:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I never used a case and I haven't used a screen protector in years. It is possible to have a phone for a long time and upgrade without any scratches or cracks.
Serantos ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:16:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I generally have a phone for 3 years, the screens don't scratch anymore. I could understand the tempered screen protectors though. I do worry about dropping and cracking my screen, but just everyday use? It doesn't scratch, no need to baby the damn thing.
Imadethosehitmanguns ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:14:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Possible, yet unlikely and not a safe bet
SockMonkey1128 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:02:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I sell phones, people like you raise my blood pressure. I know you'll be back in 2 months complaining about how expensive fixing/replacing the phone is. Then demand I do something because you are a loyal customer. I'll ask if you have insurance, but of course you don't, you're too cheap for a case, let alone insurance.
I'm sure you aren't like that, but man some people I have to deal with...
BugMan717 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:05:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm with you. I can't stand the bulk of a phone case in my pocket. And I'm for sure not gonna be one of those guys with the clip case on my belt. And screen protectors are out dated. I can take a knife to my screen and no matter how hard I try it's not scratching. But as always there are exceptions, I have a friend who is a mason, without a screen protector the sand will scratch the shit out of his phone.
mafian911 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:10:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There are others!
jrditt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:35:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There are dozens of us. Dozens!
karnyboy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:35:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Screen protectors are shams anyway. Good phones have scratch resistant glass.
hippocratical ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:36:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My Note 7 is the first time I've added something to my phone - the thing is so slippery that I put some black grip tape on the back so I can hold it without slipping.
Aside from that, always been naked and never had a cracked screen or serious scratches.
Serantos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:13:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have the HTC 10, and this thing is damn slippery, I've been thinking about the ice view case for it, doesn't add much for protection, but makes it easier to hold... It's such a good looking phone though.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:37:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is your middle name "danger"?
GorillaX ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:26:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't have a case on my Note 5, but I do have a pop socket on the back. Can I still join up?
Serantos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:46:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is that a bottle opener? If so, then you're in!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:34:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm on my 3rd phone since I quit buying cases and protectors and have yet to see a crack or anything. I'm not super light on them either. Phones are tough.
My sister on the other hand... she buys her phone cases from Tony Stark I'm pretty sure and her phones still become confetti after a couple months. No idea what she's doing to them.
hoochiscrazy_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:43:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I never use a case or screen protectors. I have never had a cracked screen or any phone issues. People are just fucking careless with their stuff!
Balind ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:50:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same here. What's the worst that happens? A cracked screen? Oh no.
Troggie42 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:54:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I do case and no screen protector. I've been good for the last six years of phones.
methreweway ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:01:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Damn right, I never wear protection. Haven't crack a screen once but I am having a baby though...
Governor-Fuckhead ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:27:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly - Like yellow cake, you just don't drop that shit. It's really not that hard, from pocket to face is a whole two feet or so. Honestly, are these people doing Daunte Culpepper impressions while taking selfies on the tilt-a-whirl, or just limp handshake type folk? I get that some people are clumsy, but jesus, what happens if someone were to hand them baby with no Otterbox on it?
legayredditmodditors ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:29:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
YOU ARE MAD
Caliterra ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:10:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
this fucker dont use a condom
NexusTR ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:22:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No screen protector!? Good Lord, you need Jesus.
Gkkiux ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:14:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was like that until I got an S7. Just don't want this to be the first phone I've cracked the screen of
Bobby_Booey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:46:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Get the fuck outta here with that nonsense.
Namaker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:47:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's a very good analogy for unprotected sex
WaitForItTheMongols ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:25:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Phone cases are like condoms - Sure, it might be nice to the touch, and might feel better and be smoother - but is it really worth the extra risk if you have no other form of protection?
RedChaous ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:28:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I use one on phones that have smooth surfaces, the s5 is a prime example, always felt like it was going to slip out of my hands.
My v10? No case.
Darth_Tom_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:58:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Moto Z force and no case. But the phone feels right without one. My Nexus 6 however had a case. That phone was slick and hard to hold.
RedChaous ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:26:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think it has to do with a textured back on the phone. I know the metal and wot not looks slick, but there's something to be said for feeling like you're not holding a rod in your hand.
Richy_T ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:42:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I also don't use a case. But I did put the QI back on my S5 and that does make it feel better in my hand.
incredibletulip ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 01:33:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They make them thinner for that very reason. People want to put their own case on their phone, so it needs to be thin enough so that adding a case doesn't make it too thick
cuntweiner ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:19:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe phone manufacturers should recognize this and start housing phones in some type of case before you buy them. Couldn't they just get, say,brushed aluminum, hard plastic, and gorilla glass, and cover the electronics with that, and just make it part of the design? They could even have perfect holes for all the jacks and speakers. The perfect case.
dalovindj ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:43:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you some sort of communist or something?
ColossalJuggernaut ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:29:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, and let's face it, broken phones = more phone sales. What incentive does Apple have for making durable phones?
zkredux ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:04:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yea my Galaxy S6 feels too thin if I use it without a case but with a slim case on its like perfect thickness
legayredditmodditors ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:29:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
99% of people would prefer a phone the same size as the case, but with a 100% LARGER battery.
incredibletulip ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:07:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you have any data on that? Do you think Apple doesn't have a highly active marketing team that does countless hours of advanced research?
WaitForItTheMongols ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:27:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But the thinner they make it, the more fragile it is, and the thicker the case will need to be. If the phone was thicker, the case could just be a thin sheet of plastic, with maybe a little border around the edges. The case could be lighter if the phone was good enough to stay in one piece all by itself.
incredibletulip ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:33:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, not really. It might be more fragile to bending and breaking, but not to damage from being dropped.
MistaHazard ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 01:30:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For the same reason backpackers select lighter equipment to put in their packs. A thinner phone with a case is still thinner than a bulky phone with a case
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:56:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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coinpile ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:50:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just carry a battery bank and a solar charger. Overkill honestly, but that peace of mind is pretty sweet.
MistaHazard ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:07:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's probably true. But I was not referring to tell phone when I was talking about lighter equipment. Thumbs up
ChillBallin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:41:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because if a phone is thick it's not going in a case at all.
K5cents ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:49:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not exactly for the thinness. In terms of length the 3.5mm is really big compared to USB-C or Lightning. The analog jack port has to go into the phone quite a lot. Inside the phone is where they have to fit all the important bits.
ScotchyEB ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:54:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Imagine how big it would be with a case if the phone wasn't already slimline
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:54:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because a case makes it thicker so they make the phone as thin as possible?
agentbob123 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:09:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't buy into the slim ideal, but an argument could be made that the tinier the phone, the tinier the case - thus getting you to a comfortably pocket-able phone that's protected.
velocity92c ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:08:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is it true that the majority of people use phone cases? Maybe it's a regional thing but near me it seems like most people don't. (I do, so I'm just genuinely curious)
arkain123 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:28:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're clearly moving towards the "shave with the side" feature
captaindigbob ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:47:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would much rather have a 15 mm thicker phone with a headphone jack and a battery that lasts twice as long
A_BOMB2012 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:40:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most people would rather not have a phone that's triple the thickness.
bobby_corwin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:03:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I want better batteries in my phones which means they would need to be a bit bulkier to support them. Slim phones hold us back from better batteries. We need to get beyond it just "getting through the day."
A_BOMB2012 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:40:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not everyone wants that.
demproteinz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:03:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For real. Let's make a phone 3mm thick, yet its face is the size of a fucking iPad.
What is this obsession with thin shit?
drmrsanta ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:50:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But how do you get it in the case without touching it?
L43 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:53:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If it was bulky and you put it in a case, it would be too bulky for your pocket?
timmytommy2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:17:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is why I don't get a case. Why buy a super sleek and sexy phone just to hide it in a clunky, cheap, and ugly case?
deeedogg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:36:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, if your phone was thicker, than your case will be thicker.
OneEyedCharlie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:19:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It would be bulkier in that bulky case if the phone was thicker too. Not that hard to understand.
Wegmans4Ever ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:26:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cause when looking at phones in the store the thinnest one feels the most high end and fancy. Idk?
I've heard that before and it makes sense. I really like thin phones. I take my case off whenever I'm home because it feels better without it.
That being said. I'd be all about a phone that's a quarter or even half inch thicker if it meant I didn't have to charge the goddamn piece of shit thing twice a day. I don't want a fast charger that stops being fast after 6 months cause some connection got a bit loose or fouled or somthing. I just want a bigger battery.
anoxy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:38:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The_Collector4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:50:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Real phone lovers don't use cases. Cases are for n00bs
ArttuH5N1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:53:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you have some sources for this or something? Seems interesting if true.
Book_talker_abouter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:55:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How do you put it in the case without touching it?
CaptainCazio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:57:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What? I don't understand why people need cases, it completely ruins the shape. If you're not clumsy, then you won't drop it. And even if you do drop it, the newer iPhones are super tough (feel free to watch drop tests if you don't believe me). Cases are overall just a stupid idea in my opinion.
Sworn_to_Ganondorf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:38:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hate cases I never use em
sorenant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:45:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This was a fair enough answer for me.
I'm a simple man, so this might not be a strong enough argument for many.
thenerdal ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:47:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not even slimmer. It's the same thickness as the previous iPhone.
RocketPowerHandshake ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:39:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, I never put my phones in a case.
I enjoy their design, and I'm not careless.
I've never had to replace a phone because of damage.
I want the slimmest phone possible.
Nurgle ยท 116 points ยท Posted at 01:24:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They needed the room to add a second speaker, so shit audio could be stereo shit audio.
bonyponyride ยท 145 points ยท Posted at 01:36:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Perfect for the discerning public transit asshole.
Daverbater ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 03:12:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh god I hate those people so godamn much. There needs to be a law
bonyponyride ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:37:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is one of the MTA's rules. The problem is enforcing it.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:15:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can't wait to hear the lil flavoftheday's latest hot fire track on the subway on my way home from work.
bonyponyride ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:38:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Now in STEREO!
Thomjones ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 01:48:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Aren''t there already phones out there with two speakers AND had a headphone jack AND just as thin as an iphone but with a bigger screen?
dai_panfeng ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:02:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, My Xiaomi 5
bobthehamster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:14:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That one has one speaker (with two grills) I believe
dai_panfeng ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:36:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe, whats the difference?
bobthehamster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:52:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Stereo requires two speakers - each capable of playing different sounds. That's how you get the stereo effect.
Whereas a single speaker with two grills makes it look like it's stereo, but it makes no difference to the sound.
But ultimately the speakers on phones are always going to sound terrible, and whether they're stereo or not isn't really going to change that.
dreamgear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:42:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The 3gs had two speakers or at least two grilles.
chinkostu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:26:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One was actually the mic.
TheGrey_Wolf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:00:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, and since you know that, and haven't bought that shit, you are a smart consumer.
hexane360 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:51:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of the bigger screen comes down to the
obvious engineering decisionbrand blasphemy of not having a huge top and bottom bezel with a stupidly tall physical button.nliausacmmv ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:38:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If only there were some portable device with small speakers that one could use to augment their smartphone's audio capabilities. Perhaps one that could be plugged into a 3.5 mm jack.
00zero00 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
HTC did a good job with stereo speakers though
a_berdeen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:21:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eh still use headphones over my m8's speakers any day.
DMod ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:08:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is wrong. There is no second speaker where the headphone jack was.
baildodger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:34:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They added an extra speaker where the fucking headphone jack was, so now I can watch shitty vertical video on Facebook with stereo sound! Plus, we get the annoying camera bump. I would quite happily pay a slight premium for an iPhone 7++ that was thicker so that the camera bump was flush, that used the extra space for a 3.5mm jack and more battery.
JinxsLover ยท 81 points ยท Posted at 23:55:27 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Have people really been saying "my one inch phone is to thick can we get a thinner phone?" Yeah I like the camera comparison lol
WAtofu ยท 166 points ยท Posted at 00:14:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
to be honest i dont think i'd use a 1 inch thick phone
mr_staberind ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 01:10:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My first cell phone was 2.5 inches thick. People in the office were all like "oooh... wow!"
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:35:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same here. That and the car phone..
itchy_puss ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:58:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She got sum tik tighs mon. Oh yea.
JinxsLover ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 00:15:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I meant half inch but oh well lol
lemonwedge123 ยท 65 points ยท Posted at 00:18:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Still very thick for a phone.
jackryan006 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 00:20:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You use your phone as a phone?
StumpNuts ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 01:32:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I use mine as a paperweight since I have nobody that calls or texts me anyway. I don't even know why I have the damn thing.
ColonelBuffslam ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:39:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bitchin' pog slammer.
DiscoDigi786 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:04:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This comment just made my day. Thanks man.
Milkman127 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:36:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i like you
FolkMetalWarrior ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:34:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Google maps.
TJ_Fletch ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:41:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mine gives me the false sense of hope that someone may call or text me. :'(
DiscoDigi786 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:04:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You never know...
Potato_death ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:03:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
90% of my phone use is to read Reddit. The rest is YouTube and browsing. I remember when I first bought my Nexus 6p there were reports that the microphone didn't work properly and i didn't care less. My phone is just a small entertainment computer.
StoicStroke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:01:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For Google maps and pretending you're busy when you don't want to interact with people.
tossoneout ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:07:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pokemon go
kirkum2020 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:31:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or as a razor?
PM_YOUR_Anything1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:45:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In an exclusive partnership with Bic, Motorola now brings you the Moto Razor*
*device cannot be used to transmit data, or do anything except shave, really.
luc123h ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:04:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol!
great_gape ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:09:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Use my phone as a phone? I can't I'm stuck with Verizon.
brblol ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:36:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yeah lol
kyuubixchidori ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:39:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
welp, my inch phone lasts for 3 days, soooooo
filled_with_bees ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:48:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, he sorta overestimates how small an inch is, the iPhone 6 is probably ~1/4 inch
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:21:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And most people don't want manual cars. That's fine. The majority usually have shitty taste.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:34:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Found the high schooler.
My first phone weighed more than a brick.. and resembled one too.
Shit, I remember people blowing their load at my car phone..
WAtofu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:30:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So you would use that phone now?
Fnhatic ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:22:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
For real. Making a cookie sheet thinner doesn't mean I can fit it in my pocket any easier.
JinxsLover ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:26:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Generally makes it more likely to shatter the first time it slips out of your hands lol not to mention battery life can't last as long which I would rather have in a second.
shredderrrrrr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:58:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But removing things that cause bulk in the phone allows for more space for a battery.
Richy_T ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:40:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. And then put it in a case that doubles the thickness.
JinxsLover ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:42:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Never bothered me. I prefer phones I can easily grip and actually watch stuff on.
Richy_T ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:30:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not been a problem for me. Horses for courses. I just find it amusing.
theexpertgamer1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:56:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One inch thick? That's like a telephone.
Kimbernator ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:19:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, funny how the iphone 7 is thicker than the iphone 6.
fco83 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:36:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Which itself is an overrated thing. Give me a slightly thicker phone and use that to put more battery in there, and i'll buy that.
VonGeisler ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:20:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But it had nothing to do with a slim phone as it didn't get thinner. I really think Apple does their homework and likely knows exactly how many of its 1 billion iPhones gets a headphone jack plugged into it and likely knows how many charge their phone while pods are plugged in. The vocal are the ones that do this exact thing...i imagine there are many many more who just don't care as they stream their music to speakers, or already use wireless headphones or wouldn't want to be plugged in twice to listen to music. Everyone should do a "remind me in 5 years" for everyone of these threads and see how important this actually is. I hope this propels the wireless tech and hopefully wireless charging to a point where no one will miss wires. Wires on a mobile device will be gone in 5 years, but only if someone makes the move.
theTANbananas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:41:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Uh my brand new note 7 still lets me use regular headphones and it's not bulky also (lets ignore the exploding battery issue its rare and they are already working on it anyway lol). I left apple for samsung/andriod 3 phones ago and I will never go back. This note 7 is such a powerful phone and can do so much. IPhone has really fallen behind.
nope_nic_tesla ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:50:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The dimensions of this phone are literally identical to the 6S
goal2004 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:12:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a 3.5mm jack. Even if you add all of the outside stuff it's still plenty thin. Better yet, come up with a new design that only really includes 60% of the jack (if it had a side of it sliced off) and the rest is left exposed to the outside. That way it's cool, slimmer, and still perfectly functional.
ShillinTheVillain ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:49:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You mean it makes it harder to sell a $160 accessory
ZeR47 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:27:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
From what I've seen they're actually still about the same thickness as the 6 and 6S.
Death_Soup ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:29:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except the 7 is no thinner than the 6s.
Rindan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:46:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why of fucking why do they have to make them thinner? Screw head phone jacks, just make the thing a few fucking mm thicker so that the battery lasts longer. You forget about the thickness of your phone 10 seconds after you first touch it, but I sure as shit rage about my battery dying every single time it happens.
Every time some asshole reviewer shows some phone profiles and comments on how one is like half a mm smaller than the other, I wish for that reviewers fingers to break so they never write another review. I swear, those asshole reviewers are encouraging them. It's okay to say, "this phone is like all the other phones", instead of spending three pages on the aesthetics of the damn phone. Jesus fucking Christ, no one cares, and anyone who does is an awful person. Yes, that might mean a phone review is boring and short.
I'll tell you what I want in phone reviews; consumer reports style testing to figure out how long it is going to last, how long the battery will REALLY last in a year, and shit like that. Babbling about beveled edges and curved screens means shit when your phone's battery is dead.
How actual battery is not the #1 most important stat on any phone is utterly and completely beyond me. Twenty fucking paragraphs on how many sheets of paper thinner one phone is over the other, and a "Uh, the manufacture says the battery will last 7 days, so I guess we believe them because fuck testing shit, let's talk more about beveled edges."
darderp ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:00:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
iPhone 8: Removed camera, external camera module available for $599, plugs into lightning port.
FrankManic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:30:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Which no one needs and only gadget fetishists want.
Seriously, they only make the stupid things thinner because there isn't really much to set them apart from whatever the previous generation is, especially in the tactile sense. Making them thinner is just marketing "Ooh, look, it's thinner! Spend another 700$ so you can send text messages and snapchat!"
sbowesuk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:37:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is that a bulging two-lens camera in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me.
iamtayareyoutaytoo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:25:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Reminded me of my favourite busted ad: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BXM3cJ3CUAAzZYk.jpg
andonevris ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:14:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
to be fair there are a lot of Yanks on reddit, sarcasm with a sledgehammer is usually the subtlety level required for them to get it.
desknob ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:52:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This new phone has identical dimensions to the old one though.
Gangbanged_Your_Mama ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 01:25:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
the funny thing is, Igay users have the biggest, the most thickets phone covers I have ever seen. Look at your average user, everyone uses big thick covers, pointless.
B0NERSTORM ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:33:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yet it has to have a hole in it so other people can see that you have an iPhone.
IggyJR ยท 127 points ยท Posted at 23:26:21 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Money, duh. Apple sucks every last penny out of their customers.
csonny2 ยท 94 points ยท Posted at 00:53:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They just bought beats for a few billion, of course they're going to force people to buy new headphones
IggyJR ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:22:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure if your are evil or just proving Apple's legendary assholery.
Eva-Unit-001 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:46:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why not both?
IggyJR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:54:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well said.
DiscoDigi786 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:05:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Evil.
molonlabe88 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:16:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except wireless can't perform as well as wired. So it really hurts the quality right?
Cronock ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:42:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
it comes with wired headphones still. Just not analog minijack.
Daverbater ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:15:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That beats acquisition was a big decider in my recent switch to Android, I just see the brand as kind of ghetto trashy and I lost all respect for Apple by proxy
accioupvotes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:14:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why is Beats ghetto or trashy? I mean, sure their headphones are incredibly overpriced and obnoxiously trendy, but in what way are expensive headphones ghetto or trashy? Is it just because they've got Dr Dre's name on them?
Krutonium ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:41:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They were shit headphones being sold for way too much - See: iPhone
magkruppe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:51:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
but why describe it as ''ghetto'' or ''trashy''?. Its basically the apple of the headphone market; looks good, overpriced and above average performance.
assasstits ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:41:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because Black people use them.
This is why he considers them ghetto and trashy.
accioupvotes ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:56:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Right. Ghetto, trashy headphones are the $1.00 bargain bin headphones at the shady corner store where you have to wrap them in electrical tape to prevent the wires from separating 5 minutes after plugging them in. I have a hard time categorizing $100+ ear buds and $200+ headphones as ghetto.
Daverbater ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:17:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can't speak for all beats detractors. But in my case it's because part if it would be that they seem to focus their advertising on a more urban market, but it's more than that, they are a 30 dollar speaker wrapped in 200 dollars worth of branding, they are the perfect example of what I would consider "Ghetto fabulous" a hollow display of wealth that says "I don't know anything about technology, I'm motivated purely by my need to impress other dumb people".
accioupvotes ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:12:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So because they have adbuys focused on black people the headphones are ghetto. Cool.
IggyJR ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 00:58:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apple bought Beats in 2014. They didn't "Just buy them".
Cronock ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:56:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
lol downvote hell apparently. Man.. say one correct thing about apple and the fandroids will SILENCE YOU.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 01:47:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's almost like you people don't know anything about what you're talking about...
...did you watch the Keynote? I already know that answer or else you'd say "It's nice they included an adapter in the box."
bradfordmaster ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:05:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
True, but it does kinda feel like something they will be eager to remove once people are more used to the idea. Also, I would hate to have that adapter in my pocket all the time
PurpleComyn ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 01:46:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Force"
It comes with an adapter for the headphone jack... and that adapter sells for $9. If that was their plan they sure failed to execute...
NiamLeeson ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:07:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
the wireless earbuds, which is the entire reason they got rid of the jack, to transition from wired to wireless, are $160. You telling me you're willingly going to pay $160 for wireless earbuds from Apple? If not, and you still plan on using wired headphones, then there was no need to get rid of the 3.5mm jack in the first place.
Cronock ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:50:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you're saying there is no need, then you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the issue. Look at the size of that jack compared to your phone, then you need the supporting adapter hardware internally, as well as the issues that come with ingress points in the phone. Dust/lint/liquid.. I'd personally have that space back for 30 minutes more battery and the water resistance rating on the phone now means a crapload less income for apple due to repair and phone replacements. Also, it does allow you to get rid of or bypass the DAC and lets audiophiles go pick a far superior set of headphones or a quality stereo.
There are so many reasons to get rid of it, while I am sad to see it go, Apple won't be punished by the market for this other than a little bad press from people that misunderstand the facts in the incredibly short term.
NiamLeeson ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:26:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
lol all I know is I'm angry, rabble rabble rabble
but really, all jokes aside, there is always gonna be a kneejerk reaction to change, but yeah I seriously doubt this is gonna hurt Apple too much
PurpleComyn ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 02:15:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Its not like anyone is compelled to buy those... as with any $160 dollar headphone, only those with the resources and desire to have them will buy them. Other than that, most of us will continue to use our headphones as we always have, except they may sound a little better. Not to mention it comes with a 3.5 mm adapter...
And yes there is a reason... You just refuse to listen to it. Headphone jacks are ancient. They provide shitty sound quality and are vulnerable to all sorts of damage. By changing they will be able to provide better sound quality, better resistance to damage (including water), and the phone will have one less common failure point.
NiamLeeson ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:27:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For the record I'm an iPhone 6 user and I love it; sleek, user friendly, and I don't care about the hardware inside of it if it works. However, there are already several phones with 3.5mm jacks that are waterproof on the market right now, so if its possible I want the jack.
By eliminating the headphone jack, I can no longer charge my phone and listen to music at the same time, which may not be a big deal to everyone, but on long drives to see my family on holidays and such, I need to use a GPS which kills the battery and now I am going to be restricted from listening to music while charging my phone? I don't have any bluetooth capabilities in my car, I just graduated college in the Spring and still have an older car. I know this is supposed to be a transition, but its too earlier for me to make it with these limitations
Cronock ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:55:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Since there are already docks that can charge and have a headphone out port, I think an adapter that contains both audio out and lighting in will hit the market with haste. My car is the low end trip package yet newer model (3 + years old) and it has bluetooth, and I've used the heck out of it. But I will likely upgrade to a carplay stereo in the future for better interoperability. If you plan on keeping your car a while, think about investing in a new head unit with bluetooth and hands free talk. You'll be happy you did.
Rubes2525 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:59:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
$9? Are you kidding me? So if someone loses a small cable that they are forced to carry around now, they have to pay $9 for a new one? Fuck that. I would rather, ya know, just have the headphone jack built in and not deal with carrying around some expensive adapter.
PurpleComyn ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 04:12:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just leave it attached to your headphones... Such a baby, kicking and screaming to hang on to some antiquated connector.
If that is really such a difficult price tag you should consider getting a much more economical phone anyway.
Rubes2525 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:27:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well I do have have a more economical phone with more features and less things stripped away. Don't act superior and dismiss a standard that many people still use just because you waste money on expensive stuff.
PurpleComyn ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 04:29:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
hghhahahhahahaha telling me I act superior? What a hypocrite....
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:43:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's right though, you were. Calling him a baby, "kicking and screaming" is just obnoxious.
Cronock ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:42:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
um.. it COMES with the adapter for stereo minijack. This argument is completely invalid. It also COMES WITH a pair or pretty good quality digital earbuds.
slot_machine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:12:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
except for when you are listening and your battery is low and need to charge. cant do both at once.
Cronock ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:17:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
ah, for sure.. I, for one, charge my phone while I sleep. I don't know why you decide to charge yours at such inopportune times. But I'm certain a fix for your complaint is quick to the market, as This already exists
slot_machine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:25:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
when I drive a lot using nav and listening to music it drains pretty quick
Cronock ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:27:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're driving with headphones? That's illegal here at least. Simple solution otherwise would be to have it be on a charger during this time and be using bluetooth to the radio. Most modern cars have bluetooth audio.
slot_machine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:30:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
no i plug in to the aux port on the car stereo and listen through that my car doesnt have bluetooth
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:26:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not everyone uses their phone once a day for ten minutes.
Cronock ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:42:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Some of us use them all day long for work and mobile games.. I know this. I'm one of them. I've had mine going all day with about 3 hours of phone calls today, around 40 email responded to, maybe 30 games of clash royale, and about 30 minutes of pokemon go. Thanks to my questionable decision to use pokemon go, I got home with about 15% battery remaining tonight and stuck my phone on the charger for about 20 minutes while I ate dinner with my kids to bring me up to 35% and finished the rest of my day.
csonny2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:38:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh right, having to keep track of a small little adapter is way better than just plugging headphones straight into the phone.
Especially when the adapter is what you use to charge the phone because nobody would charge their phone and listen to music at the same time.
Cronock ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:47:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
keep track? like keeping track of the headphones? just dont take it off the headphones. I don't see the complication here. You can skip the adapter and just use the lighting headphones that come in the box.. Or use a pair of bluetooth headphones and quit worrying about wires at all! I bet 75% of the people complaining here don't even plug headphones into their device
vibrate ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:58:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A bit silly - the iPhone is comparable in price to any other premium handset. The MacBooks are the same - similarly specced Windows laptops cost the same.
IggyJR ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:31:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, you couldn't be more wrong.
vibrate ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:59:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Derp.
http://www.computerworld.com/article/2541666/computer-hardware/mac-vs--pc-cost-analysis--how-does-it-all-add-up-.html
http://www.macworld.com/article/1134373/laptop_price.html
http://www.howtogeek.com/219478/surprise-macs-aren%E2%80%99t-necessarily-more-expensive-than-windows-pcs/
IggyJR ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:03:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
HAHA. Keep drinking the Kool-Aid.
vibrate ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:05:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I use a Nexus 6, a windows gaming machine and a MacBook Pro for work.
Your reply simply illustrates how juvenile you are when confronted with sources I'm afraid.
Sucks to be you ;)
domeforaklondikebar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:41:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not really silly. The base storage argument for the 6 and 6s are good proof that Apple will try and scrape as much cash as they can.
vibrate ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:57:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Unlike every other company out there... :P
domeforaklondikebar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:05:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, but damn near every other company in that price point has gone with a base storage of 32 gigs for a while. Apple had the balls to lower the other price points, but stick to 16 as the base.
vibrate ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:11:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Still, spec wise they are basically the same price as any other premium handset.
I work for a telecoms company in mobile app development btw - this is kind of my field.
So much misinformation spread by rabid Apple haters in this thread, it's painful. Some infant just told me to 'keep drinking the Kool-Aid'.
Well cringe.
aggieinoz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:51:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So do most companies
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:37:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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JinxsLover ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:39:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The real question is why so many people still buy their fucking products year after year and fork over so much money.
FrankManic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:34:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Marketing is mind control that works.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because consistently, year after year, I enjoy using them. I've been an Apple customer since 1985 and I've enjoyed every minute of it.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:26:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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Cronock ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:14:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"just as good" is subjective. And "costs half as much" doesn't mean much either when it doesn't do what I want it to do.
I have quite a wide range of skills in the IT field, so I touch just about everything there is on the market on a constant basis. I use probably 3 personal computers daily, one of which is a MacBook pro which is my real "personal" computer. I can't find a product in the windows-only world that will handle all of the aspects of my amateur photography better than what I find on the Mac platform. I've tried and it's just not there. Once you count the value of their Retina displays, it starts to really balance out, financially as well.
I don't want everyone to have a mac, most people don't need them. Most people use their computers for porn and facebook, then the occasional document, most wont ever open a real PC game.
JinxsLover ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:21:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You must not play any PC games then, my friend has a Mac fairly new to and it is hell playing anything on there. Not to mention a lot of games just flat out aren't compatible with them because Microsoft was so big in the PC game.
savageboredom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:59:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's why you install Windows on a Boot Camp partition.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:28:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've never played many video games. And that was a big part of why they almost didn't make it. Apple clearly had the speed to play the games that were on the market but that wasn't their niche. Unlike a lot of PC (and now android?), I saw that there were different computers for different people. I never was going to touch a PC. It felt clunky and didn't work as elegantly as my Mac but I figured people had their reasons.
The derision on this thread from a lot of peopleโfor products that are, you know, really niceโreminds me of the way people feel about Obama and Hillary. Hate for hate's sake.
JinxsLover ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:43:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I understand have a great day maybe I should be more nuetral and less aggressive.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:37:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nope. You were fine. Trust me.
Everyone else here...?
Cronock ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:59:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
my ps4 games don't work on my PC. Huh, but I keep buying my PCs. WTF am I thinking.
JinxsLover ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:23:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you do not realize how stupid of a comparison that is I pity you. Especially since gaming is one of the main reasons many people buy labtops and computers.....
Cronock ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:33:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Labtop? Well, um. Ok.. I don't know how to break this to you. It's called a Laptop. And no, most people don't buy them for games these days. PC gaming itself has been hurting pretty bad since the move to mobile games took hold for the general populace. PC industry as a whole is shrinking, and business PCs are a huge chunk of what's left out there. Everything else seems to be low end laptops. Maybe 1 out of every 40 PCs sold these days could be considered a gaming machine or even capable of running a current demanding game. So many of these only use the on-die video processor in the CPU and are horrible at anything demanding. But sure.. I don't know anything about this stuff.. it's only what I do for a living.
JinxsLover ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:07:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.winbeta.org/news/pc-games-still-rule-consoles-mobile-2015-sales "hurting pretty bad" yeah you are full of shit if you think a 32 billion dollar industry is hurting. Looks like they consistent beat out mobile games as well especially when you include free to play PC games like lol and World of Tanks. If this is what you do for a living perhaps you should be replaced lol
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:48:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe because we actually know how to use them and enjoy them instead of getting angry about the nonsense made up on the internet about Apple.
agave_wheat ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:01:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except for audio jacks.
Cronock ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:09:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This reply doesn't even make sense.
agave_wheat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:50:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can't use or enjoy apple products without audio jacks.
Cronock ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:04:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm good thing a stereo minijack and a pair of digital headphones come right in the box with all new models.
TeamJim ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:32:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To sell Bluetooth headphones and adapter dongles to use plug in headphones.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:27:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
$$$
They do their own thing, forcing customers to shell out more money for proprietary equipment hidden behind the guise of innovation.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:51:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know, you don't have to buy an iPhone....I am pretty sure that is what many will do, now that every pair of headphones they own doesn't connect without an adapter or while the phone is charging. -$$$
xQx1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:13:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Every pair of graph ones I've owned since about 2012 has been Bluetooth. This is a non-issue for the average iPhone user.
PretzelsThirst ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:32:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Leverage: https://techcrunch.com/2016/09/07/courage/
It's a complete "fuck you, pay me" and it's bullshit.
chickdan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:52:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, thanks for the article! I honestly had not thought about all of the other uses, eye opening for sure.
DiscoDigi786 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:09:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Spot on.
PretzelsThirst ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And normally I'd be the guy in here defending Apple. I can't defend this at all. I value good headphones, there's no way I'm getting this new crap.
Cronock ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:15:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
you realize the adapter comes free in the box, right? like.. right there... seriously.. check the box contents.. it say this.
PretzelsThirst ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:26:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So? The adapter doesn't let me plug in my headphones and charge at the same time. It's just another thing to carry and then lose or break, and pay $35 to replace. It's a decision that has nothing to do with quality of experience, and everything to do with an agenda and leverage. I get that, it's a business, and it's a power move. But I'm an experience designer and I think this is bs.
Cronock ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:37:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're attributing something to malice that is really a technical decision. The adapter is $10 on its own, and yes it does have something to do with the experience... maybe negatively affects YOUR experience.. or better yet your perceived future experience, since you have yet to experience the new phone at all. But you should be weighing the technical tradeoffs here. For that space they can add more modern features and more battery.
PretzelsThirst ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:56:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not attributing malice, I'm acknowledging unfortunate side effects of their business plan.
Cronock ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:00:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Some people will always get left behind by progress. But the reaction to this is overblown and there are still plenty of older phones apple sells that still have audio jacks.
Cronock ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:13:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, that article was so full of accusatory language, I don't think you should be taking it seriously. It read to me like a fox news article talking about Obama's latest trip to the bathroom and how horrible it went.
JinxsLover ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:33:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like Apple anymore, feel like they have gotten way to comfy being on top for being #1 in cell phone sales forever.
PretzelsThirst ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:37:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree, they have lost sight of what saved their ass when Jobs returned, and have clearly been a bunch of rich dudes in a boardroom out of touch with actual life. The fact they called it courageous is borderline offensive.
Graize ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:44:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They want to see how far they can push Apple fans while still buying their products.
JinxsLover ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:47:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably further then Cosby pushed most women to soon?
Spanky2k ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:44:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Meh, I used to think the same way until I got some Bluetooth headphones for exercising. It really is much, much better.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:47:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Like /u/IggyJR said. It's money. By moving to a new connector Apple can extend its Made For iPhone(MFi) program. Each product that has a lightning connector has to be part of this program, and it's not cheap. Rumor has it at around 10% of the point of sale cost. So if you buy a pair of headphones for 200 bucks, apple gets 20 buck out of it via this program.
UpliftMofoPlan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:15:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They own beats so getting people to buy their expensive wireless headphones is a big part of it.
slickmitch ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:15:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
129$ > 0$..just a guess though
PretzelsThirst ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:35:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://techcrunch.com/2016/09/07/courage/
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:35:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Steve Jobs would have kicked someone's dick straight off for this
diagoro1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:36:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I heard it will be waterproof. Guess they couldn't figure out how to make the plug water tight.....at least without copyright infringement.
phunkydroid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:43:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because it makes for an easy interface for 3rd party accessories that apple can't monetize.
pynzrz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:57:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because eventually headphones will all be wireless, just like all our mobile devices are wifi. Right now, it's inconvenient, but it has to happen some time.
porwegiannussy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:00:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Investors value short term profits over long term profits. I think that explains this situation.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The same reason there's no wireless charging
xQx1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because I can't charge a licensing fee when people connect via 3.5mm.
I really don't know what the fuss is about, in about 24 hours someone is going to release a charge in + 3.5mm audio out adapter cable, and you'll have full functionality right back.
SmokingStove ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:34:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Its a money grab to sell airbuds.
arguing-on-reddit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:41:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because now they can charge whatever they want for lightning adapter ear plugs. And since it's Apple, people will pay it.
rian_withaneye ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:41:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Courage
FowD9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:42:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
because it'll require the apple fanboys to buy more of their product, i.e. proprietary headphones that only work with their iphones
tarynevelyn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:54:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Lightning connector is proprietary to Apple, a 3.5 Jack is not. That means accessory manufacturers like people who make plug-in headphones--but also Square card readers and wired speakers--could manufacture their products without licensing anything from Apple. Just... add a 3.5 plug and its Apple-compatible!
That's no longer the case, in the post-iPhone 7 world. Those manufacturers will have to pay Apple money before they even get a product out of R&D.
Dominwin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:58:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They control the market on those headphones. Money.
sl8_slick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:04:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would think that they removed it to make it easier to make the phone "water resistant".
Daverbater ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:08:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was almost OK with it until I read about the Bluetooth alternative they will be using, you wont even be able to use cheap disposable Bluetooth as an alternative. I really hope this is the first nail in iPhones coffin, what a money grabbing "fuck you" to the userbase
DTWBagHandler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:11:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lots of people complained when Apple dropped the floppy too, somebody always has to be the first. I have slowly migrated to having all Bluetooth for audio (soundbar, portable speaker, headphones, and car audio) over the past three years, I think the writing has been on the wall for a long time. Watch Samsung follow this path within the next year.
I'd expect all Macs to drop the jack soon too. Eventually everything will either be wireless or run through a single high speed port (prosumer feature) that can be connected to a hub or dock.
mnsportsgeek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:18:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People were pissed when they dropped the DVD drive too and now?
legayredditmodditors ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:28:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be waterproof, and force you to buy a $69 Apple headset adapter, likely.
imaginethehangover ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:48:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apple don't do what the customers want, they do what they think the customers may want in the future coupled with what increases the reliance on their ecosystem. No Apple decision has been bad for their bottom line, but a lot of decisions haven't been great for the users. They're good at convincing the masses their ideas are for our greater good but they may have missed a trick here.
Had they said: "here's an adaptor in the box that lets you charge and listen to your headphones at the same time", then they'd get a much better reception. Instead, they'll charge $30 for it (if it's possible), further alienating people. My guess is that the growth of iPhone will be slowing down soon. Too much ego with Apple of late.
Cheesemacher ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:23:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you want to use it you can just get an adapter. Like what you had to do with GBA SP. Sold separately, costs a bunch.
JinxsLover ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:36:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How "Convenient" or to put in Apple's words "courageous"
Cheesemacher ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:50:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The iPhone apparently comes with the adapter. But yeah, it's more of a hassle to have more moving parts. Worst situation is if you want to charge your phone and at the same time watch videos or something with headphones.
spookbeard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:32:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But it still has apple maps and the stocks app so clearly they're interested in keeping the important stuff that everyone wants.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:37:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Point of differentiation. The Apple brand is losing traction and people are realising that its the brand they were buying, not the device.
JinxsLover ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:50:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Which is absurd because it is getting to the point where they are charging more for providing less than the competitors are offering for a cheaper price. Brand Loyalty is nice and all but sometimes you have to cut ties.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:05:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Brand loyalty isn't that much of a thing outside the USA. Many people somehow still consider Apple an American company, despite all its production happening overseas. So there's the "buy American" mindset at play too. Most people buy Apple because of fashion and the work of influencers. Most couldn't tell you WHY Apple is technically better, and even fewer will know that it technically isnt anyway.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:37:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Removing the headphone port created a lot more room within the phone and made the phone water resistant.
basically when they removed the headphone jack they found they could move the driver ledge from the top of the screen to the bottom, which created more space for the camera system up top, and made it easier to install the haptic engine at the bottom of the phone. Additionally it made room for a bigger battery and removed a major hole for water to enter the phone from.
Apple also felt that wireless EarPods are the future anyway, so they may as well transition now.
TL;DR the audio jack was taking up too much real estate in the internals of the iPhone and apple didn't see a future that included using an analog audio jack.
qwertyshmerty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:59:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm guessing it made it easier for them to make the phone water resistant. One less hole to worry about and more room for the taptic engine to make the home button water proof.
Also they are greedy, and know they can remove it because people will still buy their phones. Cook stated in the keynote that Apple doing this will cause headphone manufacturers to start producing all sorts of amazing headphones compatible with lightning. But in reality that's always been an option, lightning has been around for a while. I expect they will release the same products they already have with a different cable, maybe some noise canceling headphones that won't need batteries.
gigantepicante ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:34:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is going to get downvoted to hell, because people seem angry that their God-given right to have a headphone jack on a phone they purchase from a private company is being taken away.
Apple sees itself as the trendsetter. Apple tells the customer what the customer wants, not the other way around. This is their entire philosophy. They don't give a shit about what the customer wants, because frankly, they don't care. They see it as a stylistic/functional improvement, so they did it.
Does anyone seriously think phones will have headphone jacks in 10 years? Everything is inevitably moving towards wireless. They are selling you the phone of the future in their eyes.
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mycroft2000 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:19:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No kidding. They're an almost perfect technology that doesn't really need replacing. I sometimes listen to music on my smartphone with the very same headphones I used with my Walkman when I was 15 (I'm 48 now) They not only sound great, but they're also much more comfortable than goddamn earbuds, which I think must have been designed by a committee of bitter deaf engineers.
vibrate ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:59:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Headphone jacks are flawed. How many devices have you had where the sound only comes from one headphone, where you have to wiggle the headphone jack to get stereo?
It will die eventually, just like SCSI and DVI.
gigantepicante ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:18:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know, you're right. I still see these around all the time because nothing ever changes.
http://i.imgur.com/1bEtigT.png
mycroft2000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
On the other hand, the reason that audio equipment has had these jacks for the last 40 years is that they're extremely efficient and incredibly useful. In other words, this move seems unlikely to produce the market advantages Apple thinks it will. At the very best, it will be tolerated even though it makes the user experience more tedious, but it won't win them any new fans.
Seriously, this is like Levi's removing zippers from their pants and replacing them with proprietary Crotch-Sealโข technology that requires you to do a special dance every time you want to take a piss.
gigantepicante ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:21:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They don't think it would produce market advantages, and I never said they did. It's about pushing the boundaries of the user experience. Wires are becoming obselete, and Apple wants to be on the forefront.
And to be honest, I understand fidelity is an extremely important factor in audio equipment. However, as the capability to transfer data over bluetooth continues to improve, eventually cables won't be needed (assuming audio quality isn't also increasing at a similar rate).
Also, your analogy is terrible and has no relevance. Unless in 15 years everyone will also have this Crotch-Seal technology, and Apple is the first to adopt.
xmaslightguy ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 23:30:32 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They needed it to be waterproof and couldn't figure out how to make a waterproof headphone jack, so they removed the headphone jack
beefnchicken ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 23:40:46 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Does the s7 not have a headphone jack?
Crayton777 ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 00:01:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah the waterproofing argument is pretty weak.
Given the choice as a consumer which would you rather have: a phone slightly thinner than the one you have now or a larger battery?
What people want is capacity. Apple has delivered something else.
Suckydog ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 00:18:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes they have, crapacity
mr_staberind ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:09:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely craptastic!
GeraltofCanada ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:02:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
*crapassity
incredibletulip ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:34:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What you want is capacity. Do you not think they have incredibly advanced marketing research on these things?
Crayton777 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:52:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I guess i just dont actually see how it's better. Different, sure. Better? I don't see how.
MrCobraFlame ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 23:56:39 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It does. Prolly a patent too but that I'm not sure of.
That and I'm sure /u/IggyJR is spot on. It's a way to charge $60 for an adapter.
It was dumb when Motorola did it and its dumb now.
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MrCobraFlame ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:37:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The first one yes. What happens when the sheath starts to come off. (and that goes for all cables I've had the sheath come loose on my Samsung charger, on headphones, the old iPod chargers. Nothing is immune to it lol)
AWildAnonHasAppeared ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:41:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A new adapter costs $9
AWildAnonHasAppeared ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:41:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Adapter comes free with the phone and a new one is $9
MADPIRAHNA4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:33:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes the s7 has a 3.5mm headphone jack. I use it a lot @ the gym.
Pokepokalypse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:34:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My waterproof s5 sure as fuck has one. And a replaceable battery, and expandable storage.
ellenpaoisanazi ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 23:57:21 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No
LanZx ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 00:27:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
The Sony Xperia* series is waterproof and has headphone jacks for years now.
Also the Samsung S series have headphone jacks while being waterproof
KzBoy ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:05:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Waterproofing isn't a hard problem. Use stainless contacts and a rubber housing. There are 1000's of devices with waterproof 1/8" jacks. A competitors phone being one such device....
HawkinsT ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:39:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Stainless steel has a low conductivity. If you want a non-corrosive conductive metal, gold plating would be your best bet.
KzBoy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:28:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Good point, even better!
teh_duke ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:56:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know, but Sonys have a headphone jack and had waterproof designs for 4 years.
KarmaForTrump ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:09:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Samsung?
Rainoffire ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:39:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't Samsung just started waterproofing (IP68) phones with the S6?
I think Sony's Xperia Acro was water resistance (IP57) in 2012.
In terms of waterproof headphone jacks, the Z3 in 2014.
KarmaForTrump ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:40:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't know they even made phones. thanks!
Rainoffire ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:50:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ye, their US presence is abysmal.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:16:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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akiva23 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:45:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ziploc
sypher1187 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:40:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, ziploc makes your phone water resistant, not waterproof. Don't try to go swimming with your phone in a zioploc bag.
akiva23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:18:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would trust the ziploc over the "waterproof" samsungs
sypher1187 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:09:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's actually tests shown that the samsungs s7 (other samsung devices are not waterproof) are indeed waterproof (up to a certain depth; I think it was 10m). And there are countless reports of people killing their phones when they had it in a ziploc and thought it was waterproof.
akiva23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Those tests are done in standing water and there is no way to make almost impossible to make a device completely seamless. The best they can do is gaskets seal seam and coat the board in something which is pretty much just another ziploc bag on the inside of your phone. the ziploc should be able to handle 10m as long as you're not doing anything that could puncture or tear the bag or open the seal but i guess testing needs to be done to find out the bags true potential. Also its user replacable unlike a coating.
redyambox ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:28:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They managed to remove the audio jack and only get an IPX7 rating. Other phones however, do have an audio jack and received IPX8 ratings.
Water resistant for 30 minutes vs water-proof for 30 minutes.
PretzelsThirst ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:36:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
LOL that's hilarious. There are fuckloads of waterproof devices with headphone jacks. It's about leverage. https://techcrunch.com/2016/09/07/courage/
youreabigbiasedbaby ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:31:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Here's a crazy idea.
Keep your $700 electronic device away from water.
tiga4life22 ยท 98 points ยท Posted at 01:30:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Up to 60 hours of wireless audio playback which is nice, but the headphones only last 5 hours
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 03:41:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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mattthepianoman ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:14:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That problem has already been fixed with Bluetooth 4.0 and aptx audio. Only really old BT equipment has severe latency.
amolin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:55:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
On my Mac it automatically delays the video during playback, so it syncs with the bluetooth delay. Alternatively, if you use VLC you can manually adjust the video / audio sync in 25ms increments.
futilitarian ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 04:35:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And what if you're watching on YouTube on your phone? Or Netflix? Or Hulu? No options there. Just lag.
PleaseExplainThanks ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 05:41:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm so confused. I've been using multiple generations of LG Tone Bluetooth headphones for years. Lag isn't a common occurrence for me.
Nuro92 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:33:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same here, ironically the only device I've had issues with was the Fire TV, they sorta fixed it eventually though.
amolin ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 04:45:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
While I do exclusively use a bluetooth headset for my iPhone as well (a pair of Sony SBH70, quite nice, not that loud though), there is admittedly a bit of lag on YouTube videos. It's most noticeable when you see someone talk of course. I haven't tried Netflix on it, and we don't have Hulu where I'm from - but I'm sure they suffer from the same problem.
With that said, it'll be a temporary problem. There's no reason why the app developers can't make the same "hack" in their apps, when a user uses Bluetooth headphones.
We're in the infancy of many new technologies, and there will, of course, be teething problems that will look ridiculous in one, five or ten years. The problems will be solved, and then we'll find some new first world problems to complain about as the cycle continues :)
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:07:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So the problem exists today but we should ignore it because it'll likely be fixed in the future?
That's a terrible stance. If it's affecting customers today then they have every right to complain.
amolin ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 07:15:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Unless you work for YouTube, Hulu or another relevant app-developer - what else did you have in mind? It's arrogant to think that they're not aware of a major and common problem, and working to fix it. Unless you're part of the solution, what gains do you expect to achieve by waving your arms on Reddit? You're even wasting my time right now. Stop that, and go hug a puppy or bake a loaf of bread instead :)
Sabrielle24 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:49:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Basically he's saying no one wants to spend money on a project that doesn't work the way the user expects it to. Companies shouldn't be releasing products without testing, and if testing raises a problem, that should be managed before launch.
Products that come with problems look like a work in progress, and companies shouldn't expect customers to pay full price for these things.
That's what people are complaining about.
amolin ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:36:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I understand his position (and upvoted him, unlike you other degenerates that don't know the reddiquette) - I just think that it's pointless to get in a huff about a complex technical issue that you have no bearing about. For instance, where would you put the blame?
Who exactly should give you a discount? And this is just a simple take at the problem. You cannot assign blame based on your emotions or gut feelings.
There are of course millions of Redditors, including some very intelligent and wise people. Most of the people here, are not, and their opinions are irrelevant to the technical issue at hand. They can complain, picket, yell or hug a puppy - the problem is going to be fixed at the same speed.
Sabrielle24 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:39:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't downvote (or upvote for that matter).
I don't think they should be offering discounts. I think as a fast moving technological industry, these companies and organisations should be working together to resolve an issue before releasing a product that they're calling done.
I also didn't expect my comment to solve all these problems, I was just outlining what people are pissed off about, and it's okay to complain about things not being up to grade when we spend money on them.
amolin ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:50:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Since I just love the downvotes, I'll counter your opinion again :)
You, as a customer, do not get to define when a product is done or what features it has. There are truth in advertising laws that protect consumers from fraudulent claims, but no-one claims that video playback on bluetooth enabled devices have zero-latency audio.
No developer likes to deliver a less than perfect product. You can bet your ass that they dislike this a lot more than you do, which is why they're trying to make better products all the time. But if we stop all innovation until we reach perfection, nothing will get done.
You can try products in stores, you can return products bought online, and you can buy from any combination of competing companies as you like - but that's it. Take it or leave it.
Sabrielle24 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:03:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with this and with you on the whole, but I do think there's a line, and if consumers are pissed, that's it.
Sabrielle24 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 10:46:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Having to charge your headphones is one step too goddamn far.
qwertyshmerty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:20:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
And they don't come with the phone, have to drop an extra $160 for that wimpy 5 hours. sigh.
It would be better if the phone included a splitter adapter with a 3.5 and lightning. That way only need the one cord, and could charge and listen at the same time.
homeboi808 ยท -17 points ยท Posted at 02:36:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How often do you listen to music 5 hours straight? The carrying case wirelessly charges it for a total of 24 hours, and when charging the case (with or without the AirPods inside), they get 3hr in 15min, which is really good. One tiny detail I like is that it automatically gets paired with all your iCloud devices during the initial pairing, which is simply opening the case near the device.
tiga4life22 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 02:42:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"How often do you listen to music 5 hours straight?"
Well I don't think anyone does, but in a span of 3 or 4 days I do. My current wireless headphones that cost me a fraction of the price of the airpods gives me 13 hours.
homeboi808 ยท -15 points ยท Posted at 03:19:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Which is why the wireless charging case is a thing, giving you 24 hours.
Part of the reason they are expensive is because of the new codec it is using, which allows for better audio quality and the iCloud syncing via opening the case for the first time near the phone and having it paired to all your devices.
Another feature is that they have an IR sensor in each side. Meaning they will start playing when you put them on and stop playing when you take them off (this also works individually as well).
So, they probably have the audio quality of a $80 pair, but add in the new codec/pairing, wireless charging for 24 hours, double tap for Siri, and the IR sensors, and I would say $120 would have been a much sweeter pricepoint. However, since I don't see a ton of people buying this, they had to up the price.
buzzlightbeer27 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 04:18:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Every day
homeboi808 ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 04:21:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
5hr straight? What do you do for work?
buzzlightbeer27 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 04:36:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Data entry... 8hrs straight
[deleted] ยท -16 points ยท Posted at 05:34:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And you will be crippled by having to plug them in for 15 minutes to give you the 8 hours of playback time? You live a very charmed life!
semtex87 ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 06:36:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Who cares about crippled, it's a fucking unnecessary annoyance don't you see that? It's created a problem that didn't exist and doesn't need to exist.
Sabrielle24 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 10:51:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Got this great set of headphones. NEVER need to charge them. It's amazing! I can listen to infinite hours of music, limited only by the battery life of the device I'm using! (Which gets at least 8-10 hours of life, at which point I can charge overnight. Alternatively, I'm using my laptop, which is plugged in all day.)
buzzlightbeer27 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 06:03:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nope never said that, just stating that some people do listen to audio more than 5 hours a day buddy. But personally I'd rather just stick to my normal wired headphones. Never been a fan of Bluetooth headphones in the first place.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 07:07:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Way to make light of crippled people's condition. Go walk through a paraplegic ward and tell everyone what a charmed life they live, asshole.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:35:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
24 hours here. I am a musician.
EDIT:
That being said, I'm an acoustic musician so I don't need Apple products and actually oppose iTunes.
Ararat00 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:14:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Out of curiosity, why do you oppose iTunes?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:32:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because it has so thoroughly turned music into a commodity. Because it has enabled and promoted the picking and choosing of singles and destroyed the concept of the album. There are many reasons and it isn't just iTunes I'm against.
Nuro92 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:34:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Curious too... Maybe because of the pay structure?
I_Like_Quiet ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:20:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you not fly?
homeboi808 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 09:49:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not regularly. When I do, I usually watch an in-flight movie instead of my own content, so I have to use wired anyway, I also try to get a quick nap in. LAX to JKF / JFK to Heathrow is like 6hr airtime, so using AirPods mean 1hr without content, which is good time for a nap.
Sabrielle24 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:54:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I listen to music while I sleep, so there's that.
I_Like_Quiet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:36:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you fly LAX to Heathrow you are crazy if you think you'll have enough time to fully recharge those headphones at jfk. Clearly you think you are right and nothing will persuade you when you make an argument like that streaming turd. So yes, you are right. No one uses headphone for more than 5 hours at a time.
homeboi808 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:05:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
What I'm saying is you can take a 15min total break in those 5hr (bathroom break(s) and such) to get an extra 3hr by putting them in their case. Again, you don't have to buy these, you can buy cheaper Bluetooth headsets with longer battery in the headphone itself (8hr-13hr is a normal battery life).
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:05:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You clearly don't work outside.
Sabrielle24 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:50:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Flying, which I do frequently. During my work day, from home to work to lunch to home.
homeboi808 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 10:55:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
So in your commute and lunch? That's not 5hr straight, the AirPods/case get 3hr in a 15min charge. I personally plug into my car's stereo when driving, it has USB charge+audio and it was a $150 aftermarket headunit for my '01 Mitsubishi Spyder GT. Most vehicles ~2009-current have USB charging, where many have USB audio.
Flying I understand, though I usually take at least a 1hr nap on 6+ hours trips (LAX to JFK & JFK to LHR are about 6hr in airtime).
Sabrielle24 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:14:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also while I'm working, which I do for seven and a half hours a day, plus lunch, when I also listen to music. Now, the device I use changes, but the headphones do not.
homeboi808 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:18:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
You still get 40hr of audio via Lightning, you don't need wireless, only if you want to charge simultaneously.
For a business day on mostly continual listening using the AirPods, you put them in their case when going bathroom or when walking in-between work and lunch, and that gives you 3hr (so now 8hr) if you charge them for 15min.
Sabrielle24 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:33:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can see that you're outlining solutions to this problem which is great, but the fact is, the option for straight forward headphones that we don't have to worry about is being taken away from us. Even with the wired headphones, there's problems. I have four apple devices. Four. Three of which are not likely to be updated any time soon. I'd like to have headphones that are interchangeable.
homeboi808 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:43:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You still have the 3.5mm EarPods that come with the older phones and now the Lightning EarPods. If you want a 3rd party 3.5mm headphones, you use the included adaptor, which you likely will keep attached to the headphone so you never misplace it.
Sabrielle24 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:07:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Of course, there are ways around it. My point is, they're taking away my ease of use by removing the jack.
I_am_-c ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:48:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cause it's going to be awesome to have a flaccid adapter hanging out of your phone all the time.
homeboi808 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:01:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Like your flaccid headphone cable. It's actually likely reduce the chance of the headphone cable coming apart near the jack, since the stress on the cable when bent is severely diminished.
choozyapa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:16:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
shill game too strong
Konker101 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:23:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cant you charge them for a few minutes and get 3 hours out of just a small charging time?
tiga4life22 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:45:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just another thing to charge? I guess we'll just have to get used to them.
zappa325 ยท 2885 points ยท Posted at 23:10:24 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Steve Jobs is like "Do you want me to come back down to Earth for you guys?"
TheWhiteStone ยท 6983 points ยท Posted at 23:48:05 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You mean, back UP to earth.
NotMyRealName14 ยท 210 points ยท Posted at 01:41:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Y'know I believe he's down there somewhere...screaming up at us." -George Carlin
turntJedi ยท 988 points ยท Posted at 23:53:42 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh damn. You made me laugh you bastard
skeptibat ยท 337 points ยท Posted at 00:01:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's dead, not in a space ship or an underground bunker... I think...
paperpants ยท 1028 points ยท Posted at 00:09:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lots of dead people are in underground bunkers.
skeptibat ยท 236 points ยท Posted at 00:15:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Touche.
Silent-G ยท 387 points ยท Posted at 01:29:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Please don't touche the dead people.
Jerazz_Man ยท 119 points ยท Posted at 01:32:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Touche pas les mort
[deleted] ยท 83 points ยท Posted at 01:54:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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HoochieKoo ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:10:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fetchez la vache
Zendittor ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:37:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fetchez les can can dancers!
lifelivesonandon ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:59:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Touche mais touche รฉgal
Jerazz_Man ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:23:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Toucher mon penis sil vous plait
DapperChapXXI ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:32:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pas si vous etes Quebecois
spectreismusic ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:00:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
J'arrivรฉ pour la.
thinkmps11 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:41:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The ne is actually optional in a lot of circumstances
DCodedLP ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:59:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mostly if you're speaking, though, isn't it? I thought the ne is almost always written
dantepicante ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:32:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think formally yes, but a lot of the time language becomes more colloquial online.
DCodedLP ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:46:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're probably right, I'm not exactly fluent in French
Astoryinfromthewild ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:57:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Touchรฉ pas les snorts
clevariant ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:11:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Les mots sont difficiles.
Chad_Chaddington ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:46:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ugh, there's two dudes over here having sex with dead people in French. Must be r/gifs
pbzeppelin1977 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:25:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
*Don't touch the dead people.
Fragarach-Q ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:31:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ne pas morts ouvert ร l'intรฉrieur
garrettj100 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:34:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
J'accuse, mon petit fromage!
DiabloConQueso ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:49:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you want the bubonic plague? Because that's how you get the bubonic plague!
InterimFatGuy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:59:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't touche me or my son ever again.
probonero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:37:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Too late
dragndon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:39:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or the fishies
PCKid11 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:50:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or THE CHILD
RNZack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:44:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Please don't douche the dead people
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:45:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Silent-G ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:53:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think that after they've been buried, you should just let them rest in peace.
DeathGuppie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:50:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's OK if we tupe' the dead people?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Touche the dead
scoobdrew ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:36:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No touche-ing!
Beelzabubba ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:58:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What they don't know won't hurt them.
upular21 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:21:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Please explain the use of that word in this context.
I understand it means he said something that can make him look bad and that you are pointing that out.
But I can't understand this context and barely can understand the use of that word in any context.
skeptibat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:01:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a fencing term. "Touchรฉ" also known as "Well played." I am simply acknowledging his clever statement.
I made a silly point, he pointed out a silly illogical point in my statement, I replied by saying "Well played."
upular21 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:10:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ooooooh thanks
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:47:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Douche.
StumpNuts ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:28:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And here we have Goodwin's Law.
paperpants ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:25:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Was referring to graves. You went there, not me.
Kriv_Nadar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:46:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Definition?
dryerlintcompelsyou ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:05:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazism or Hitler approaches 1"
Kriv_Nadar ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:13:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, yeah one of my friends told me about that, but the context was an argument and the one who makes a comparison to Hitler loses the argument. Also I believe there was one "o," not two. Could be wrong though.
dryerlintcompelsyou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:21:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're right; it's only one "o"
NihiloZero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:33:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Considering the size of the universe... lots of dead people are also probably in spaceships.
RapsFan420 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:42:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Last I heard Jobs was pretty deep in a mescaline binge with Jim Morrison. That bunker get's pretty wild.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:45:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Millions of skeleton fat cats sleeping in perfectly good formal wear.
Cryptoss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:46:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
thanks a lot enver hoxha
Greetings_Stranger ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 01:41:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hell. That's the joke.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:04:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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NihiloZero ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:34:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A world without jokes?
darexinfinity ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:34:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Steve Jobs confirmed to join
HollywoodSilicon Valley Undeadskeptibat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:35:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is that the new AMC Walking Dead spin-off?
darexinfinity ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:36:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
STOP STEALING MY IDEAS
spockspeare ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:48:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've seen the way he parked.
He's in hell.
pikachus_ghost_uncle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:24:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Could be in a parallel dimension. Who was it that said his name backwards to send him to the upside down realm?!
HiMyNameIsBoard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:27:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's just what him and Tupac want you to think
Wjme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:43:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's probably in hell for having all those people work like slaves in those factories
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:05:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
With Tupac.
13EchoTango ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:07:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not dead, just hiding with Elvis and Hitler.
xNicolex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:39:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you really think rich people die? They are keeping the immortality technology secret!
christo334 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:23:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
its ok you will only end up with him.
Skandalust ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
why does this have 280 upvotes you people are trash.
ryan35 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:02:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you want to say something more circle jerk like "take your upvote?"
NetanyahusPetHillary ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:24:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I bet you Ryan #1-34 are more pleasant
ryan35 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:13:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No I actually killed them all. /u/ryan36 will never get me
turntJedi ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:10:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I stand by what I said. Take your upvote you bastard
Yarthkins ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 01:58:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At least his new liver went to heaven.. to join the person who could've actually used it.
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 02:07:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He isn't dead. He just changed his name to Carlos trabajo and lives in Costa Rica.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 03:44:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
*Esteban
robhol ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:23:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Carlos Esteban Domingo de Trabajo
GDRFallschirmjager ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:57:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
lol i googled trabajo and it didnt show the translation just a bunch of stock images of people in suits looking busy.
PM_YOUR_RUSHB_PICS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:20:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trabajo is Spanish for job.
maybebaked ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 02:00:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you read his biography, you would know that this is a totally justifiable statement and deserving of even more upvotes.
Fuck that guy.
TheFlashFrame ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 02:55:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. Steve Jobs receives WAY more praise than he deserves. He was such an ass.
TheButchman101 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:17:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think people are praising him being a nice guy.
TheFlashFrame ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:29:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I never said they were... But people don't praise Trump either. Because he's an ass. Just because someone is a successful and innovative businessman doesn't make them worthy of praise if they're otherwise a complete piece of shit.
eternally-curious ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:55:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is it not reasonable for me to hate the man's morals but praise his business tactics at the same time?
TheFlashFrame ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:06:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
By "praise" I was referring to the people who treat him like a God simply for being the owner of Apple which provides the public with things like iPods, iPhones and Macbooks. Those people aren't praising him for being a successful businessman. They're praising him for being Steve Jobs, owner of Apple.
xcerj61 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:24:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump does not match those criteria though
TheFlashFrame ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:15:56 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You guys are really missing the point entirely now. I think you should recap on what this discussion is about.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:44:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You don't get far in life on just being nice honestly.
TheFlashFrame ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:26:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Plenty of people do, all the time. And his biggest competitor is a much better person than he was. Bill Gates donates millions of dollars to vaccination and medical research yearly, when Jobs reacquired Apple he stopped all humanitarian expenses for the rest of his life.
GoodHunter ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:51:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If he's anywhere post-death, that's where I'd think he is as well. The guy was a grade A douchebag
flaccidpedestrian ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:55:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm almost scared to upvote this...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:54:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At first, I was thinking: "wait why?" and then I realized that I watched the Michael Fassbender Steve Jobs movie and it all came back to me.
sinnick11 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit someone give this man gold. Spicy as fuck.
AngryGardenSalad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:28:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Savage!
HGuy10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:13:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Goddamit OP
RDS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:57:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oooh... Burn.
Some_Annoying_Prick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:43:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Savage AF.
Sultynuttz ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:40:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
or back from the dark abyss of nothingness that is death
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:36:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
hehehe
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:44:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Asshole. Have an upvote.
Drink_Clorox_and_Die ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:41:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Aaaaaay-oooooo!
BroB-GYN ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:53:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Savage AF.
thestatesmanc ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:38:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hahaha it's funny because he's dead hahaha
GoldenArmada ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:00:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And what have you done that's so great?
GuruMeditationError ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 01:42:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The EDGE is KILLING ME.
2sliderz ยท -27 points ยท Posted at 01:29:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
hahah you both believe in fiction
DannyAndHisDinosaur ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 01:33:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a joke, edgelord
2sliderz ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 01:43:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
hah I assumed as much..everyone knows steve jobs was an alien sent from beyond the stars
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:34:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/e1/e8/57/e1e8571d6242566fbb2db80f916c6e65.jpg
2sliderz ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 01:42:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
damn whered you get my selfies! My neckbeard has come in much better since that pic though
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:31:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Such edge
[deleted] ยท 343 points ยท Posted at 01:22:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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KlaatuBrute ยท 276 points ยท Posted at 01:50:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or, ya know, make the body of the phone 1mm thicker to make the phone flush. Which I guess speaks to the often absurd thinking behind some Apple (and industry-wide) design and the chase for "thinnest, fastest, awesomest" titles. It reminds me of the whole "Russian pencil vs. space pen" anecdote.
cinnamonandsteel ยท 373 points ยท Posted at 01:57:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone forgets that graphite is an electrical hazard in space when they bring that anecdote up...
whatdc ยท 132 points ยท Posted at 02:35:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also the people who came up with the space pen brought the idea to NASA and NASA didn't spend a dime creating it.
Adam-SB ยท 85 points ยท Posted at 03:24:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also that the Russians bought and used the space pen too.
DarrSwan ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 05:29:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also whales are mammals who have no sweat glands, but since they live in the water, they don't really need them.
All_Work_All_Play ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:10:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You don't need to spend a dime creating it if you've got an equivalent budget slated for purchasing...
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:19:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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TheObstruction ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:24:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also, they work in extreme cold, unlike more normal pens. Helpful if you live in the north.
All_Work_All_Play ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:29:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's what I mean though. NASA didn't need to spend money on R&D - they already had a budget for it, so they let a private company take the risk (and monetary reward) in developing it. NASA created the incentive for its creation by their demand for it.
Incognito_Whale ยท 187 points ยท Posted at 02:00:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I didn't know that! Thank you for that interesting
factoidfact/factlet. I really appreciate you as a person and a redditor. I hope your evening is amazing.Edit: Factoid was not the correct word choice! Thank you all for the new knowledge! However, some sources on the internet say in the United States (my country) that a factoid can be a short fact.
Example source: https://www.google.com/amp/grammarist.com/usage/factoid/amp/?client=ms-android-verizon
[deleted] ยท 176 points ยท Posted at 02:42:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Stop being so polite, motherfucker.
slingmustard ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 03:10:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Order has been restored.
Incognito_Whale ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:03:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Excuse me, but you didn't say please.thankyoukindlysirormadam
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:40:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's doing poorly at hiding that he's really a whale by being so god damned polite.
newbertnewman ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:12:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's Canadian
filled_with_bees ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:42:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My apologies, motherfucker
blofly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:12:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah gee what a jerk...#GenWilderSidelongGlance
NetVet4Pets ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:39:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Let him be. He's still on his second week of Prozac.
Scottz0rz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:43:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Could you maybe stop being so rude, friend, please?
immapupper ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:46:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah douchebag, go fuck yourself this evening.
RapsFan420 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:44:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, yes, let the hate flow thro.....wait a minute.
deepsouthsloth ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:05:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not OP, but a brief explanation of why.
Pencil "lead" is actually Graphite, as I'm sure you're aware, and it creates dust as you write. Graphite also conducts electricity fairly well. In micro gravity, dust doesn't just fall to the ground, it remains somewhat suspended in the air until it is filtered out. There are a lot of sensitive electronics on board any given spacecraft, and their circuitry tends to operate better when there's not a layer of conductive dust covering it.
Now, could you make enough dust to actually cause a legitimate problem during the course of a short mission? Maybe, maybe not. The point is, it's possible, and NASA engineers don't like possible problems.
Incognito_Whale ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:06:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is the dust itself flammable or does it just increase the risk of the electronics catching fire?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:59:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They also used 100% oxygen environments until the Apollo 1 tragedy.
Even the wood in the pencil is a fire hazard at that point.
MadDogMccree ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:56:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Really? I've always heard that prolonged exposure to that much oxygen had the potential to be poisonous.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:22:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Depends on the pressure.
deepsouthsloth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:25:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think Graphite itself is flammable, but things in powdered form often become flammable when suspended in air, even if their solid counterparts are not( see Mythbusters coffee creamer explosion), so I'm not sure. The problem I'm sure about lies with the conductivity. Ever looked at a circuit board or a computer motherboard? All of the circuits are just printed on the board, and some components, like resistors or capacitors, are soldered on to the board. These solder points are pretty close together, and if they were to touch, the current flow would bypass the component and create problems. If enough conductive dust gets on them, it can start to make connections that are supposed to exist.
Cosmic2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:23:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That they don't.
ixijimixi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:48:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Calm down. He's actually a salesman for russian pens.
At least it's a step up from Chewlie's Gum though
jerryeight ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:19:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We're starting to doubt your nationality. Are you secretly Canadian?
If, yes. Do not apologize. But, damn it, be sorry about it.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:53:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Here's something else you might not have known: a factoid is actually something that isn't true, or is at the very least dubious. How about that!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Factoid
_Megain_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:02:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Factoids are well known for their truthiness.
ConfidentBoner ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:25:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Turdoid
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:37:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
'Factoid' means oft-repeated but wrong information. The word you're looking for is 'factlet'.
__nev__ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:38:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In the same vein, "factoid" actually refers to a commonly held belief that is untrue. "Fact" would be the appropriate word here.
PM_ME_DANKEST_MEMES ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:47:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You smart
MrDLTE3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:51:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What if they used crayons?
JJagaimo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:59:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Its made of wax, so no electrical hazard, but it's difficult to write with and looks like crap for printing, plus it can chip and small particles can still become an issue, similar to graphite (also a health hazard if breathed in)
TERRAOperative ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:03:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Crayons it is then!
Edible too...
MAADcitykid ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 03:27:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or people just don't give a fuck because we don't study the properties of graphite in space
[deleted] ยท 102 points ยท Posted at 02:05:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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debspeak ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:55:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I seriously miss the physical size and weight of my IPhone 4. Hate my 6. Hate it!
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debspeak ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:12:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I question your Toronto political choice, but thank you for the info.
Krutonium ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:34:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Aside from the obvious issues, he was actually one of the best mayor's TO has had in a very long time.
debspeak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:56:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The obvious issues, made him a liability. Political power requires a perfection of lifestyle that most of us can't keep up with. He was a good ole boy, but not the one meant to run the show.
Krutonium ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:28:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just wish someone else could step up and be like him without the issues :/
McAwesome03 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:03:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
nah, that would make too much sense
Book_talker_abouter ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:54:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or go a little thicker than that and put a full size USB port on it! And a serial port, while they're at it. Why not VGA too?
Foktu ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:44:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
1mm thinner = $100 million in overpriced Apple TPU cases.
gamebox3000 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:47:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They make them thinner to save on material costs. Same reason soda cans and plastic bottles have been getting thinner. They just try marketing it like it's a selling point after the fact.
Chibios ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:37:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's an engineering decision as the flash and lens are too close and will cause artifacts and haze. With the flash and lens not on the same plane, this would be less of an issue.
lkodl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:28:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
just roughly thinking about stuff... apparently apple sold 74.5 million iphones in Q1 of 2015. they make more phones than they sold, so let's say they made 300 million iphones for the year. an additional 1mm of aluminum adds up at the volume. the thinnest phone isn't just a sales pitch, it's also a cost saving measure at that point.
FrankManic ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:27:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously. I don't want a thin phone. I want a phone that will last a few years without breaking. Eugh. Fucking phones. What do I know, though, I have a blackberry because it's the last dinosaur on the market that still has a freaking keyboard.
Dandydumb ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 01:33:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What's wumbo?
seriouslyfancy ยท 183 points ยท Posted at 01:56:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wumbology, the study of Wumbo. It's first grade, Spongebob!
mrsworser ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:53:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wumbo, you wumbo, he/she WUMBO
Nohbudy ยท 56 points ยท Posted at 01:51:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Opposite of mini. iPhones have increased in size, but Steve Jobs was adamant about keeping the iPhone sized for comfortable single handed operation. Some information: http://www.businessinsider.com/steve-jobs-was-wrong-about-big-phones-2014-9
[deleted] ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 02:07:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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joh2141 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:00:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One thing I'll mention to this is that while small phone was preferred by Jobs for trend purposes, the entire industry market was looking to bigger screens and phones for two reasons. To make use of 4G data via video and make money was one. Second reason was to literally have a device as strong and capable as some computers out there. The entire industry always pushed for bigger screens to better market video apps and data usage thus turning more profits for them. Even if Jobs was alive today and still CEO apple would inevitably released multiple versions and bigger models.
Saying we should have stayed with smaller phones is like saying let's refuse the next trend because they want to give Jobs a bj. TBH big phones are not going out of style until hologram style Minority Report phone comes out or we finalize those digital lenses and perfect it's design. I can't figure out how we will advance them to have and use a lot of power without heating up and harming your eyes though.
cubine ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:24:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Man, I think the size of the 6S is the biggest phone I'd ever want. I just don't like having a phone that I feel like could easily break in my pocket.
joh2141 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:43:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't disagree with you there; I just stating the current market's goal with smartphones. I worked at Verizon few years back when 4G first came. While prior to 4G we still had bigger phones, most phones were still relatively small sized. When 4G kicked in, more and more people started watching videos and playing games that require you to stay connected online. Having smaller screens would simply restrict the potential smart phones have. Now, people can watch movies and shows and live games on their phones wherever they are. Having smaller devices at this point would be a hindrance to one of the bigger and more desirable features of smart phones.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:58:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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joh2141 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:14:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I understand what you are saying but here's the thing. People are starting to break from that spell of "Oh it's an iPhone" and starting to prefer features provided rather than it just being the stigma of being an Apple product. I'm not arguing what you were saying. What I mean is that Steve Jobs can't stop what everyone wants. If 99% of the world wants bigger iPhones.
The industry was set in getting bigger phones to make use of its internet and video rendering capabilities. Without it, there was no money to be had. iPhone and Apple is still way too small scale in the grand scheme of things. This entire industry is huge and the players in it are way bigger than simple consumer electronic companies. Should Jobs be alive today and be adamant in keeping small phone sizes, iPhones would have lost sales. I mean look at how people treat the Apple vs Samsung phones today. The Samsung 7 Edge came out; the phone I got. I didn't get it because it had more features than iPhones but so many people I know switched to Samsung because it was better. When a new iphone that is better comes out, they'll buy it regardless of company. They just buy what is better. More and more people are like this. As I mentioned before, people are breaking away from the thrill of simply owning an Apple product.
The primary interest of iPhones were how simple it is and how "For-dummy" like it was for smartphones. I mean just 5 years ago we had majority of grown adults saying smart phones are dumb gimmicks for kids and now more than half the adults and seniors I know all have iPhones or used iPhones to "get started" in the smart phone world. This is a fast evolving industry where if you're simply trying to set a trend, you aren't going to succeed. That's why iPhone changed their motto to innovation and being all artistic. iphone loyal fans need continuous release of innovative features to convince themselves that the product they own is a premium.
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joh2141 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:30:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bigger phones isn't a market trend though. It directly improves prime features that is now in daily use of smart phones. That's what I'm talking about. No one cares about trends or Jobs being a cult figure is what I mean. Even him being such a huge trend setter wouldn't have stopped the big screen phone era that is today because it was already in the works and planned. And what I mean is Steve Jobs and Apple is too small to even consider being able to directly force the industry to stop that big screen era movement. Sooner or later the people that praised Jobs for fighting against market trends and setting his own trend would abandon iPhones for others. It's not fun being "trendy" when you got small ass phones and all your friends are watching HD Game of Thrones on their phone or live super bowl during work when you got your small phone. Only a small percentage of people actually liked the small iPhone thing first of all. No one picked iPhones because it was so small. At least not the few years I worked at Verizon.
Oggel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:01:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I really don't like apple or Steve Jobs, but you can't deny that the man was an innovator.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:03:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
this is why I still have my droid mini
cuntweiner ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:11:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The iPhone 6 SE is the newest available iPhone and it's pretty much the smallest smartphone available. I think Steve Jobs would HATE the camera sticking out like it does though. IMO this is still worse than taking out the 3.5 jack
13EchoTango ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:11:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I remember a pretty early galaxy being fairly large (by standards back then) and people complaining about it. Have small hands? Don't buy it. I have big hands, I could've used that galaxy one handed just fine. Now we all have huge phones that we can't use with one hand anyways and we like them. Also, some phones have more pixels than most huge flatscreen TVs because that makes sense? 1080p (battery) master race!
legayredditmodditors ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:27:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He wasn't wrong, people are getting tired of HUGE phones already, and Apple is out of ideas, as we see with their revolutionary non-headphone jack update.
Moal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I actually agree with him on that. I refused to upgrade to an iPhone 6 because I hate giant clunky phones.
Daniel-Darkfire ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:40:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
what about iphone se?
Toubabi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:17:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
God forbid a company actually give users a choice.
Joe_Baker_bakealot ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:05:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ya know, wumbo. I wumbo. You wumbo. He, she, we wumbo. Wumbo; Wumboing; We'll have thee wumbo; Wumborama; Wumbology; the study of Wumbo. It's first grade, Spongebob!
Bladeinsteel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:05:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know, Wumbo. I Wumbo, you Wumbo, he she me...Wumbo. Wumboing!
blofly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:12:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's like zombo.com, only more technical.
DontTreadOnBigfoot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:25:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a tiny doggo!
Wait . . . fuck! I messed that up...
SilverCratose ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:14:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wumbo, you wumbo, he/she/it wumbo.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:46:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
MacBook Air, MacBook Pro lines were Steve jobs era things.
cuddles_the_destroye ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Was the ipad mini also a jobs era thing too?
stationhollow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The iPod mini definitely was.
NemWan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:56:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also the Power Mac G4 Cube/Mac mini, which increased Mac desktop form factors from two to three.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:07:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Steve Jobs would have absolutely purged the Apple Watch back to R&D.
He'd also have thrown out the idea of using USB-C and Lightning as the ONLY port. I mean replacing the Display Port made sense, because there are 3 existing standards - VGA, DVI & HDMI - but it makes absolutely no sense to remove the most popular ports of every device. USB and Audio Out.
Dr_Capsaicin ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:03:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He may have hated the physical design (aesthetics) but he would love the theory. Don't forget that Jobs pioneered Apple's market strategy of making everything as proprietary as possible in order to nickel and dime customers on peripherals
ghostdate ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:02:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The camera not being flush is very annoying. When I got the 6 I thought it was maybe some kind of cap to protect the lens during shipping or in packaging or something, because it just seems so shitty to have this little thing sticking out, just begging to get smacked on something. I'm sure Jobs would have told them to find a way to fit it flush with the casing.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:18:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Personally, it doesn't bother me because my phone is always in a rubberized casing. If it wasn't, well... I'm certain I wouldn't have had this phone for long, thanks to uncoordinated meat-fists.
I envy those people that feel safe carrying around their expensive pocket computers without any sort of protector (and also kinda think they're crazy).
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:50:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Upvote for saying exactly what I was thinking.
ghostdate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:17:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sometimes I feel kind of crazy for not using a case, but my last phone I had for 4 years and dropped once while flipping it around in my hands like an idiot. I'm considering getting one, just because the iPhone 6 feels much less durable than the 4, and I wouldn't be surprised if it broke apart if I dropped it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:35:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The iPhone 6 is pretty durable, I've dropped mines about 15x and only got some scuff marks on the corners and scratches on the back.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:47:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely hated. I wish he was still around, can't imagine how much better the iPhone 6 and 7 would have been with him in charge
SzaboZicon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:55:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
or just put a reasonable battery on it, make the phone to math the sense depth
allsortsashit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:58:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's really a different marketplace since he passed. He may have come around to offering the cheaper versions once they became fully saturated.
nathris ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:13:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He'd be too upset they've given up trying to sue Android into oblivion.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:37:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He would've been in favor of Apple sticking up to the FBI. As for Apple's current products, however...
imGnarly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:43:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't get the hate for the digital statement, I get a lot of the shit you guys give apple, but that I don't. Yeah, I get it, all of my one pair of headphones is analog and will be useless, so what, I'll buy some others. I got a bajillion cds and dvds just lying there because technology moved forward. I know lightning is exclusive to apple, but wireless headphones aren't. We don't have to buy their ridiculously expensive airpods, but there are hundreds of other options.
FGHIK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:12:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
CDs and DVDs are out because plainly superior options became available. Wireless headphones, however, are NOT a plain superior option. They have the advantage of not needing a cord, at the cost of needing to be charged and being easier to lose. Cutting off a completely serviceable option that people might prefer is stupid.
imGnarly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:34:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, wireless are not, but digital is definitely superior to analog for sound quality. People prefer it because they already have a pair of headphones, why would you prefer analog over digital? You remind me of my dad in early 2000's complaining on his new car not having a cassette player, only to never mention that again the next year.
DiabloConQueso ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:54:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Steve Jobs was the one who pioneered the pro vs consumer lineup and simplified the absolute mess of a product line that Gil Amelio created.
Jobs simplified the Apple desktop from the myriad of esoteric model numbers (7500, 7600, 8500, 8600, 9500, 9600, 9650, 9650N, etc) into the iMac and Mac Pro. He also simplified the laptop lineup into the MacBook and the MacBook Pro.
Jobs was very much a fan of splitting things along a very defined line of consumer vs professional, even if that line was forced in a lot of regards.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:03:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know he would've hated it. He wouldn't have even approved iOS 7. It's ugly. Not his style.
turtlespace ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:11:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There are a lot of specific decisions they've made we know Jobs would have hated -
https://youtu.be/w2xPt8txgGs?t=44s
"If you need a stylus you've already failed"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YY3MSaUqMg
"Who wants a stylus?...Yuck!"
...And now we have the iPad pro and its pencil thing.
We also have his opinion that 3.5 inches is the perfect size for a phone screen and "nobody's going to buy [big phones]", now apple doesn't even make a phone that size anymore.
then we have โThere are clear limits of how close you can physically place elements on a touch screen before users cannot reliably tap, flick or pinch them. This is one of the key reasons we think the 10-inch screen size is the minimum size required to create great tablet apps.โ now we have an ipad mini.
there are probably others, these are the ones I could think of at the moment.
ghjm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:28:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
...wumbo?
acwilan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:37:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The things that came after he left weren't his. Leaving the skeuomorphic design in iOS 8, iPad mini, bigger iPhones, an iPad with a stylus.
OhGawdManBearPig ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:53:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I laughed so hard at going wumbo
YourBobsUncle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:33:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, Apple wouldn't have let Steve Jobs have a lead in the company if he was alive and applied for a job today.
number__ten ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:23:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And henry ford thought all anyone wanted or should ever have was a model t.
[deleted] ยท 1187 points ยท Posted at 00:23:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My wife asked me if I preferred handjobs or blowjobs. I told her I like stevejobs.
She said, "What the hell are stevejobs?"
I said, "It's when I regurgitate the same shit all over you then millions of people pay me $700 to fuck them in the ass."
beardicorn ยท 273 points ยท Posted at 00:57:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you have to ask, you can't afford it.
athickone ยท 69 points ยท Posted at 01:27:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
back the fuck up, Antonio!
SmilinLion ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 01:30:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My dick!
cabe565 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:59:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
MY BRAND!
lacheur42 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:59:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
...so hot, it's stolen
Yo dick look like Gary Coleman
snoogans122 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:02:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My dick!
Kanye_To_The ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:46:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Haha, so happy I saw this. Favorite line from that movie
Edit: https://youtu.be/feKbhuZIeBk
Licalottapuss ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:35:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But apple always acts like "you can't ask, so you have to afford it."
Popetown ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:43:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Haha, either you are a clever bastard that isn't receiving the credit you deserve for the slyness of that comment or I'm reading into it. But I'm just thinking about people wondering if they can afford to be dominated anally and I'm finding it hilarious.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:04:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Ma'am how much is this sweatshirt? The price tags been ripped off. "
"Did you just ask me how much a sweatshirt costs?! You clearly can't afford it. The thrift shop is on the other side of the street."
Affordable_Z_Jobs ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:14:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Really?
ThatZBear ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 01:28:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Something something "chair" something "meta"
Zepher2228 ยท 74 points ยท Posted at 01:44:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Oh, ok" "But really, blowjobs"
rollin340 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 01:02:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Savage.
liquidsmk ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:52:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is pretty damn funny.
iManera ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:53:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Brilliant, absolutely brilliant
n00b33l ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:06:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You work for urban dictionary don't you?
ShillinTheVillain ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:47:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A truer description of Apple has never been uttered.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:58:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol nice rayjay
jerryeight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:17:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Good Shit! They will buy it!
natural_seattleite ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:56:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
wait you married someone who didn't already know the answer to that question? Are you an alien??
YoshiYogurt ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 01:50:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My 5 year old iphone and 3 year old macbook have worked flawlessly from the start, while I've had to take back 3 different samsung phones.
The 4S still got ios9, while the 1 year new galaxy note 2 wouldn't go past 4.5
I don't mind paying extra for some longevity, same reason I get intel CPUs over amd
Anti-apple circlejerk gets ridiculous sometimes. No you aren't any better for not buying the expensive shiny thing. Don't want it, don't buy it.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:55:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why did you have three Android phones if you have a working iPhone?
YoshiYogurt ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:18:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not me specifically, but family
[deleted] ยท -16 points ยท Posted at 00:53:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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Futuramafryday ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:26:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Sounds like you're the pleb, using a phone brand that's two years old on technology then defending it by calling someone a pleb.
Edit: he keeps editing his post. He originally was bashing on Android.
hotdogs_from_hell ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:02:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
the real "plebs" are the people who argue about what phone to use on the internet
I_Think_I_Cant ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've seen typicalmacintoshuser.jpg. I know what Apple users are really into.
hamelemental2 ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 23:59:22 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I now have a theory that this is all an elaborate necromancy attempt.
Porrick ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:35:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This sort of shit would be completely in-character for him though. Nothing he liked more than arbitrarily disabling stuff because it wasn't how he wanted people to use his machines.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:43:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Frankly, Steve Jobs was responsible for a number of questionable style decisions - like his obsession with skeumorphic design and minimalism, even at the expense of function. It's all been 'buffed out' at this point, but the mac line and software when OS X was first released wasn't nearly as solid.
quirk223 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:15:01 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Please! Seriously, I have not bought an Apple product since he passed. This company needs to make a new product...no more redesigning the past.
[deleted] ยท 107 points ยท Posted at 00:29:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 01:30:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone remember the 1st gen iphone & how it was unable to copy & paste text, send mms or record video unless the phone was jailbroken? It was then possible with the 2nd generation without jailbreaking and everyone thought it was revolutionary...what a joke.
everdred ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:05:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also, no native third-party applications. "Want to develop for iPhone? Write a web app for Safari."
Fanboys actually defended this. In two-thousand-freaking-seven.
ka-splam ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 05:31:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And now look. Apple's "joke" has killed Palm, Nokia, Blackberry and WindowsPhone. Drop back to 2001 and tell yourself that a "phone has no copy and paste" and see the confused look on your face because you don't care. Then tell yourself that Nokia and Blackberry are going down and see how much you don't believe it.
Other phone users have been writing a bullet point list of a longer spec sheet for 9 years while Apple has grown to dominate the market. It doesn't actually seem to matter at all, does it?
Last year, the flagship Androids couldn't match several year old iPhones in JavaScript performance, this year the flagship Galaxy Note 7 can't open apps as fast as a year old iPhone, Samsung can't even put batteries in their phones without fucking it up; but 9 years ago iPhone had no copy and paste and that's unforgivable?
Rly.
rollin340 ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 01:03:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's the Apple mantra.
Look at this feature!
It's new! For Apple
infectedfunk ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 01:29:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apple never claims to do things first. They just claim to be the first to do it right... most companies are always looking for gimmicky technology to introduce into their gear without knowing how to properly utilize it.
That said... Apple has certainly been a shit-show for the past 3-5 years. I miss Steve.
Kakkoister ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:41:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just because they don't outright say that specifically, doesn't change the fact that it's how they market it, they tout it as this amazing new things that people haven't seen until now, they constantly use the word "innovative", yet that's not innovation when you didn't invent it nor were the first to implement it.
infectedfunk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:02:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Finding a way to utilize technology in a way that is actually useful and relevant to people's lives is absolutely, 100%, what innovation is.
Using technology because you have access to it without considering how people are going to use it (half the features on Windows) is simply experimentation... and can even be detrimental to the overall product.
I'm a UX designer and have debated this pretty much on a daily basis for the past 6 years of my life lol
Edit: I also want it to be clear that I mostly agree with you lol. The way they talked about removing the headphone jack, using words like "bold" and "courageous".... you'd think they were talking about curing cancer hahaha
smartstuff14 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:45:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jobs had a hand in Apples products years in advance becore their release, so the iphone 7 is probably the only ones he didn't give input too.
dxrebirth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:58:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He was pretty against the iPad being a larger size and I highly doubt he was involved with the watch. At the very least, iPad Pro was the true Steve jobs non influenced product.
infectedfunk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:04:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He had a roadmap for the future of Apple, yes. However, we all know the company has strayed from his vision (I'm looking at you Apple Pencil).
Sawses ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:44:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, he was really, really good at marketing. They produced a quality, reliable product that was easy to use, even if it didn't have new shit. Now, they're unreliable and of questionable quality...but still easy to use. So now I'm an android user.
youreabigbiasedbaby ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 01:27:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hell, the iPhone was behind in features even when it launched.
redvblue23 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:49:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is this from Maddox?
youreabigbiasedbaby ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:53:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep.
muffinmonk ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:16:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ah yes the great Maddox review.
The iPhone is a piece of shit and so is your face
jbrandona119 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 01:34:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't waste your breath telling them....Most iphone owners don't even know that other phones exist.
It's like they're acutely actually brain washed.
return_of_the_ring ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:50:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not this crap again. Less features blah blah. It implemented its minimal set of features very well. That was what people liked even if it had far few features. No one cares if you have a browser on your phone if the page it loads looks like shit.
everdred ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:15:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You realize that the company that went on to "invent" mobile apps (in the minds of the general population) spent the first year of the product insisting that nobody should want native third-party apps on their phone?
youreabigbiasedbaby ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:53:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I guess people didn't want the ability to copy and paste either.
vibrate ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:56:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was way ahead in usability, which is really where Apple devices have always shined.
The vast majority of mobile touchscreen OS interactions we take for granted were designed by Apple.
youreabigbiasedbaby ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:12:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't have copy and paste function or MMS. It was two years behind in functionality.
But it's white, and has an apple on it!
Nope, IBM.
vibrate ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:18:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nope, Apple.
youreabigbiasedbaby ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:20:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, touchscreens, as well as multi-point touch, was developed by IBM.
vibrate ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 02:27:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was implemented in mobile devices by Apple.
munche ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:38:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As someone who really doesn't care for Apple, in the Jobs era I would be excited to watch their announcements because they used to actually innovate. There would be some cool feature that I wish my phone had (and probably soon would)
Now Apple press conferences are incremental updates and the major news is what feature they removed.
dxrebirth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:04:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's not all he did. I'm no Apple fanboy but hearing that all he did was steal is an inane statement. And even then, if you truly believe that, he at least got a lot of stuff out in the mainstream. Pushing ideas and tech to the masses and in turn making other people try to keep up or top them. Competition is good for any market and I guarantee half the features in any other brand wouldn't exist without it.
People act like he was lucky or just stole. But come on, don't let your hate for Apple blind you into making stupid statements. Not to mention the same could be said for any other ''visionary'. Gates stole just as much, if not more. Used a ton of shady business moves to crush smaller companies, etc etc. He just gets commended more because of what he has done with his money post three comma club. But how he got there wasn't exactly pretty.
Just have some perspective ffs.
kyuubixchidori ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:38:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When steve was around, yes, the iPhone was always behind in features, but it worked. it worked a HELL of a lot better then android did. lasted longer, had had exponentially worse specs, yet it was able to run smoother and was a better experience. -android fan boy who wishes apple would be revolutionary again
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:50:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hate to disagree, but the original iPhone did revolutionize the smart phone industry. Before that, every smart phone had a miserable ui and needed a stylus to work. The launch was such a risk, that no one was willing to market it. Only after it debuted did ATT realize they have a cash cow.
nakedapedude ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:28:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And the ipad is utter shit. I know, I've owned two.
ghostdate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:57:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I quite enjoy mine. It doesn't really replace a computer or anything like the other tablets out there, and definitely isn't comparable to anything like the Cintiq Companion for making art, but for a $350 device I've used it pretty much every day for the last 2.5 years. It's a bit more portable than my laptop, so I can just slip it into my bag and take it to work or studio and it covers most of my needs and has a big enough screen that I can use it to pull up reference material for whatever I'm working on.
Panaka ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 00:47:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jobs despised buttons. It was rumored that he had thought of switching the physical button on the iPhone to a capacitive one until Android came out and used the idea first. If anything he'd be on board with this design over recent iterations.
THANKS-FOR-THE-GOLD ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:32:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If he hated buttons so much how come he wore jeans and not sweatpants.
Once again Woz proves he's the smarter Steve.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:24:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Capacitive?
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 01:27:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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mass_hysteria98 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:41:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I laughed.
enleeten ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:31:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, originally the iPhone didn't have a capacitive screen like you see today. It just had a single, giant resistive button that would deduct money from your bank account when pressed.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 01:32:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh. Like a clitoris.
StumpNuts ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:29:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Touch.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:31:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh. Thanks.
cmon_hitme ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:27:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:32:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't know what it meant.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:50:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:55:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Search engine?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:45:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
?
Sawses ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:43:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep! I bought two phones after his death. The quality kept decreasing. When their smallest new phone was too big for me, I just moved to an Android. Now I don't think I'd ever go back.
relaxlmao ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:34:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure that this was left by Jobs as part of a 10 year plan for after he died.
Valentinee105 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:41:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why? So he can steal the idea of a headphone jack back for Apple?
HonorMyBeetus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:41:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Considering Steve Jobs made apple move away from ps2 to USB, made Bluetooth standard before anyone else and continuously pushed standards forward he's probably actually pretty happy with this. He was the guy who said that a 31 pin connector was an okay thing.
proanimus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:55:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know, I remember hearing all of the same things back then too. Except instead of "I wish Steve were still here!" it was "Steve needs to step down and let someone else run the company."
Remember, he was the one that was obsessed with removing buttons, ports and features in the name of aesthetic simplicity. He was the one originally obsessed with making everything thinner.
I feel like everyone here has a serious case of amnesia. Does no one remember how big of a joke the original iPhone was because it had no buttons? For years all you heard were people bitching about how stupid it was to remove the physical keyboard from a smartphone.
Removing a port prematurely in the name of aesthetics is EXACTLY what Steve Jobs would have done.
leonsugarfoot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:58:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm glad Steve isn't here to see the Apple stylus. He'd die again from a heart attack.
2TEH2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
steve jobs is in argentina, so is hitler however hitler died at argentina in the 1960s
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Steve jobs would've never given the get go to the ridiculous looking "air buds" either I bet lol, what a shitty design.
xRyubuz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:42:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Realistically he would've supported the idea of wireless headphones, hell, i wouldnt be surprised if he brought the idea up years ago
RedditfalconFan822 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:46:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At the time I saw your comment it was leet http://i.imgur.com/qqQp3wc.png
Vallarta21 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:46:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ill bet if Steve was here he would say hell no to the wireless airbuds. He was totally against a stylist too.
He said you can lose them easily.
IStillLikeChieftain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:48:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wat.
Steve Jobs would be ALL. OVER. this propriety tech-locking make-your-userbase-even-more-dependent-on-your-exclusive-hardware shit.
bulletprooftampon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:49:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dramatic
phongku ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:06:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not like he would be any better.
ColeSloth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:13:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of his ideas were also pretty shitty, actually.
Made_in_Murica ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:28:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you kidding me. This is exactly the kind of thing he would do. The first Mac was completely closed. He got rid of the floppy drive, created the 30-pin cable, probably greenlit the lightning cable, made a phone wth one button, etc
hairycookies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:33:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I could see Jobs pulling this shit too lets be real here.
ice_blue_222 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:43:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can you bring Harambe too?
Swiftpain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:45:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The woes of uploading every thing to the cloud.
NoSuchAg3ncy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:48:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Steve Jobs, who had to have his arm twisted to put volume buttons on the 1st gen iPhone? (The 1st gen iPod Touch didn't have volume buttons.) I think this decision is right in line with his minimalism.
Phoequinox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:54:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Right, because Steve Jobs's vision isn't what paved the way for decisions like these. Apple was built on hustling. As much as I hate to say it, it's similar to Nintendo's business strategy. Be so far removed from everything else on the market that people are forced to buy your products solely for exclusive quality content. Only difference is that for all of Nintendo's tricky marketing, their prices are always crazy reasonable. Unless you're a collector, in which case, you know what you're getting into.
Meanwhile, Apple offers nothing more than high-quality options that no one actually needs, but wants in order to look cool. And on that principle alone, they can justify selling devices 4ร the price of other high-end, perfectly functional options. They're just putting the squeeze on the competition. That was Steve Jobs's goal. Early iPods were very finicky about non-Apple headphones. I know because I have always had issues with my iPod classic randomly cutting off, not when the headphones were unplugged (it actually continues playing if they are), but when the jack is moved in certain ways. This feature can't be disabled or worked around and apparently only functions properly with headphones made by Apple. The only reason I still use the classic is because it's the only player that actually holds 80 gigs of music without the need for external storage. When it dies, I'm through with Apple.
lexoheight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:54:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO MY BRAND?"
Noy2222 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:59:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Messopocalypse
onlyCulturallyMormon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:11:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The same Steve Jobs that oversaw the removal of the optical drive and the ethernet port pretty much simultaneously across their entire range of laptops? I'm sure Steve wouldn't have been afraid of taking away another piece of old technology from the plebs for the sake of progress.
just_comments ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:45:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No. He would have loved this. Don't pretend otherwise. Apple has and always will hate cables.
RoseEsque ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:06:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The second time reincarnation was deemed necessary due to major fuck ups.
OSPFv3 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:26:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We all know he lives in the iCloud now.๐ฉ
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:29:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We need to collect the dragon balls.
durthshtur ยท 251 points ยท Posted at 23:17:50 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Courage, it's about courage and some other mundane reasons the likes of which you have never considered before.
At least according to the keynote.
[deleted] ยท 100 points ยท Posted at 01:40:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had the courage to fart in a crowded elevator.
AmbiguouslyPrecise ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 03:07:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's easy, real courage is farting when there's only one other person in the elevator.
hayashikin ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 09:20:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The key is to maintain eye contact and be first to go, "What the hell dude!"
GenocideSolution ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:51:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Putting "The courage to" in front of any action makes it sound noble!
The courage to eat a steak!
ilovehentai ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:41:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
so brave
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:08:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Absolute madman
thegroovemonkey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:33:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The key is to do it right before you get to your floor.
cdrt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:55:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As long as there are 3 or more people in the elevator, you're good.
DTWBagHandler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:12:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
DIAE
durthshtur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:03:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A crowded elevator! Fill it with courage farts.
kukendran ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:01:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Medal of Honor. That is what you deserve for that display of courage.
qualityofthecounter ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 00:33:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I see Apple's Beats division courageously releasing Beats by Apple, Lightning edition. Because courage.
sdguero ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:59:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All the courage in the world ain't gonna fix bluetooth.
NEDM64 ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 03:08:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
that's because you have a crappy android phone, not because of bluetooth.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:39:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The courage line just sounded so strange to me, it almost sounds like a negative point, as if Tim is saying they had the balls to go backwards in phone design.
tinykeyboard ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:34:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
was there booing? i think they cut out the rest of the keynote after the live broadcast or maybe the rest of mine didn't load.
durthshtur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:29:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think anyone booed while he was on the subject. But it seemed that he spent a lot of time trying to justify it. If I recall correctly they said they would include a lightning to audio jack converter cable. The whole segment was just awkward.
tinykeyboard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:33:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
interesting. i would have predicted booing. hell hath no fury like a tech nerd p.o'd
arkain123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:29:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Courage, magic, innovation and synergy.
GenocideSolution ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:48:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is someone on the writing staff a Monogatari fan?
Osklington ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:58:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That speech was so dumb. "Have the courage to let us walletrape you for wireless headphones'
SurprisinglyMellow ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:04:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But they cost $160, have a whopping 5 hour battery life, and are likely easy to loose!
Honest_Joseph ยท 55 points ยท Posted at 00:36:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
http://gif.co/zbeK.gif
Fnhatic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:23:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is he looking for the second AirPod, because within ten minutes of taking them out, his cat threw one under the couch?
Or is he looking for his lawyer for the massive settlement he's going to get because his kid just choked on one?
AfroClam ยท 247 points ยท Posted at 01:28:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don worry. After Apples tells all the people who complain that they are listening to their music wrong, they will come out with the iPhone 8 and it's ($99 extra) feature....the iHole
Redditor8914 ยท 93 points ยท Posted at 01:54:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
iHole because regular audio jacks don't met our standards, exclusively by iPhone because no one else has the market share to create audio devices exclusive to their product.
Our sub-par audio equipment only works with Ihole, next year you'll get the choice of color you want. Customization of color will reach you in your life time!!! not too soon of course...
YouAreNotHere ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:36:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget that the jack will be some bullshit like 3/16" instead of 1/8" because standards are the devil if you're Apple.
BungleBungleBungle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:49:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't be outrageous. It'll be square, but only works if you insert it the correct way, so that way you'll inevitably have to try and plug it in nine times before it'll go in properly.
hexane360 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:55:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And then they'll revolutionize it by making an unnecessarily complicated symmetrical design, instead of putting a dimple on the right side.
JuleeeNAJ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:44:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And they will sue Samsung shortly after for copying them.
hexane360 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:53:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This comment just made me realize the only possible bright side of this decision: Manufacturers might actually start making microphones and controls to Android standards instead of the proprietary Apple standard.
MrWhite2020 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:16:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What colors do the iHole come in? Just curious?
Avisari ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 09:12:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pink and brown.
Then 3 months later; white.
tossoneout ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:10:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
but it's analogue, so it will be the aHole
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:13:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
it's an analogue sound system, the assHole.
UpvoteForPancakes ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:42:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The iHole with a slim, sleek 1/9" jack. Purchase your 1/8 to 1/9 jack converter for $159.
25_M_CA ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:23:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://youtu.be/C2WIvJUBbJw
kikitron ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:07:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yup that about sums it up
Anti-Iridium ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:44:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You got to be careful Morty, If that guy catches you with a box of his iHole, he come bursting in through a window and just starts kicking the shit out of you. But its worth the risk. They melt in your mouth
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:58:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Get up on outta here with my iHoles!
mr_nobody3123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Somehow it will be like getting effed in the ihole
Luvs_to_splooge_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:58:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds glorious
PM_ME_FOR_SMALLTALK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:22:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The iHole.
It's beautiful. It's amazing.
Crafted by our engineers, to perfection.
We used a special circular robotic arm, for perfect accuracy.
Then the iHole is dipped in a special liquid, that when dries, makes it change the color of the object.
The iHole utilizes special unique technology, present in the phone that allows any type of headphones to be plugged in, and used.
We did this, because we wanted our customers to experience the magic, the creativity, that is Apple.
momoranger ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:43:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
More like aHole
Deto ยท 105 points ยท Posted at 00:31:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They've really gone too far this time. You can rip off your users and get away with it. But not if they feel like they're getting ripped off. It's just too blatant this time.
Dyalibya ยท 220 points ยท Posted at 01:27:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You underestimate Apple users
tplee ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 03:25:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Literally my wife 5 minutes ago:
Wife: I want to get the new iPhone. (We have iPhone 6s pluses.)
Me: why? What does it have that your phone doesn't.
Wife: it has wireless earbuds
Me: you know they don't come with it and they are almost $200
Wife: yeah but they look cool.
Me: [sigh]
allme2016 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:02:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a trial, try buying her some $30 Bluetooth headphones off Amazon and let her try that for a week.
kangareagle ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 05:59:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People buy all sorts of stuff because it looks cool. So what?
Konker101 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:22:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just buy her some for christmas, then she'll be happy.
humangengajames ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:45:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's an overestimation.
Source: Am Apple user.
HappyViet ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:32:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've known apple fan boys to buy a piece of hardware without fully understanding how to utilize it. It boggles my mind.
BigCountryBumgarner ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 01:38:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not that mind boggling, because that's the exact market they're going for.
My sister buys MacBooks and iPhones without even so much as reading about the specs or new features. That's exactly the people they're going for. For them, it's all about Apple prestige.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:15:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She must have a good job.
FrankManic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:36:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't mind that, except Microsoft and Google noticed that it works and now everything is a fucking walled garden and you need to jump through hoops to gain root to god damn anything. Makes a man want to boot Linux. In fact why the fuck am I not booting Linux? it's not like I actually use any freaking software anymore. *shakes old man fist*
BilllisCool ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 03:15:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Many people prefer MacBooks for more than prestige. The top laptop for business is a MacBook Pro.
BigCountryBumgarner ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:19:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Objectively false.
Lenovo Thinkpads are far and away the best laptops for business. The only people in my company who use Macbooks are developers and graphics designers. Pretty much every review backs this up.
mirhagk ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 03:22:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's false. Macbooks are fantastic for sales staff who need to show off how great they are. Macbooks are like suits.
legayredditmodditors ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:37:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Old ones only, their current ones have poor builds, a real shame to the IBM name- most people HATE them.
BigCountryBumgarner ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:03:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I disagree, my work T460 has been great.
BilllisCool ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 03:57:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The top rated business laptop on Google is actually a MacBook Air.
BigCountryBumgarner ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:05:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
http://i.imgur.com/gTXxEyH.png
You see that little text on the right that says "sponsored?" Guess what that means?
I could link a dozen review sites that have the ThinkPad first.
dqingqong ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:21:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol what. Excel masters hate Mac
Osklington ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:59:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Overestimate?
FrankManic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:35:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously. Apple users have been putting up with paying twice what the hardware is worth for decades. Glaring lack of basic functionality has been an apple trademark since before the puck mouse. Do they still do the puck mouse? Do kids even remember the puck mouse?
DiscoDigi786 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not this user. I'm done. Fuckwads.
Oggel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:07:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Good for you. I just made the switch a few months ago and I'm never going back. Apple is for suckers.
shinigamiorphan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:29:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm done too and considering a Galaxy Note or a Nexus
1esproc ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:48:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They come with a pair, and there's an adapter...what is the ripoff exactly?
L43 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:05:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't really see why you think they are ripping users off (more than for other iphones). They give you an adaptor in the box so you can still use a 3.5mm jack with the phone (if they didn't, that would be bad). They just freed up the space inside for more battery or new chip etc, and got rid of a dust magnet/structural weakness. Hopefully, soon we will all be using wireless headphones, and we won't even think we need the jack.
I've got some already, and so I haven't used the 3.5mm jack on my 6S ever. I know I'm probably a bit ahead of most people with this, but it pretty much is the future.
Really, this is much less overly forward thinking than the Macbook with its single port...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:45:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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L43 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:56:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm surprised I haven't been downvoted more with my recent comments. I'm not that much of a fanboy, I will jump ship as soon as I see greener pastures, I just have this addition of going against circle jerks.
huppfi ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:36:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well you can't charge your phone while listening to music.
Other than that Bluetooth headphones will always lose in quality to wired ones so no way am I going to use them.
But I guess if you don't care about quality get the overpriced new IPhone.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:35:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The hashtag AppleEvent on Twitter says otherwise
Fleeeemo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:09:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You realize it comes with an adapter, right? It won't cost people any extra to use the headphones they already have... and let's be honest, the tech world is moving toward wireless, so it's really not blatant at all.
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Deto ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:37:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Devs cheered Apple for doing this though. Flash was a mess.
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Deto ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:50:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but did it actually affect the general public much? Or did websites just scramble to switch to HTML5 instead?
Also, users could always just download Chrome so it couldn't have been that big of a deal for them.
DinoBurner ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:20:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I still cheered i though... Every. Single. Time. my web browser crashed at that time it was due to flash. Also the original iPhone wasn't really up to the task of running flash anyways.
mobearsdog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:51:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As far as I can tell theres no benefit, right? There's a lot of "bluetooth is the future" and "they give you an adapter, so its no big deal"... But I havent heard yet why it's better for the consumer.
DinoBurner ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:33:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
More water resistant, bigger battery, and the lightning port is more robust than headphone jacks.
I'm not really sure if thats worth it to me though.
shaneathan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:00:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
By removing the DAC from the phone, that does two things- one- less space, both from the Jack and from the DAC, meaning EITHER slimmer or, in the case of the 7 and 7+, more battery.
Two- it forces the headphone manufacturers to put the DACs in their headphones. For years he manufacturers haven't had to do that, and while sure it's easier, it very well could've stifled development of newer, better tech.
If BT can get to a point where the headphones last for days on a single charge, then I'm fine with no headphone jack. Honestly, the only time I use it is in he car, and I can just leave the adapter in there.
All in all, it doesn't inconvenience nearly as many people as the Internet would have you believe.
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gormster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:28:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah there is obviously still a DAC and an amplifier. (Heads up, though, the microphone needs an ADC, not a DAC.)
mobearsdog ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:06:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To me that sounds like it's going to make headphones more expensive and bulkier for theoretical innovations. What possibilities may be out there with the DAC in the headphones? I agree it probably wont impact most people though, like most things the internet gets upset about.
shaneathan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:18:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
By forcing the manufacturers to R&D some DACs, it's likely we could get get better fidelity or higher quality BT standards due to that. There's been external DACs for years, but really only used by the enthusiasts.
It's a guessing game- Apple made the wager that less people will be upset than those that either aren't affected, or are excited.
Me personally, I'm stoked to get rid of it. I use mostly Bluetooth anyway.
In any case, a vast percentage of people in this thread are idiots. From not grasping how apples ecosystem actually functions, to insulting users who are actually excited.
It's fucking ridiculous. It's a phone guys. I've seen hardcore football rivalries that argue less than this. And it's mostly android users shitting on iPhone users. I just don't understand.
gormster ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:25:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly I was surprised they even put the adapter in the box. They didn't put the 30-pin to lightning adapter in, you had to shell out an extra $30.
But seriously, I don't think it affects most people, because (a) most people never use headphones with their phone, and (b) most people that do use the headphones that came with it. The average redditor is a long way from the average user.
legayredditmodditors ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:36:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
and think about it- what's better with this phone?
a bit of waterproof- but it's NOT tough. 9/10 if you drop it into water, it's gonna die from the shock.
So there's only HALF of the reason for having a waterproof phone.
You have a LITTLE better camera, but for 90% of people this difference WILL NOT matter.
You have similar battery life to the last model (in real world use).
What's there to love? Most of what it brings people DO NOT NEED.
Last year's model is more than enough for almost ANYBODY.
Aedan2016 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 01:31:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I could understand them doing it IF there was some real reason for doing so. ie. Making the phone significantly thinner. but there is absolutely no reason for them having done this.
I'm going to be sticking to my 6 for a while it seems.
morrisdayandthetime ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:41:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Helps with waterproofing maybe?
Pollia ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:48:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The s5 and s7 have very good waterproofing and have headphone jacks.
morrisdayandthetime ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:52:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, didn't say it was a good reason ๐
Aedan2016 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:43:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought about this, but Samsung have phones that have been waterproof with the headphone jack for sometime now.
Also, I don't have a big problem with using wireless headphones. But every now and then my phone for whatever reason decides not to want to connect to my headphones - not often, but it happens. I usually have a wired set kicking around somewhere just in case.
morrisdayandthetime ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:53:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, didn't say it was a good reason ๐
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:43:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You won't be sticking with the 6 for too long as "touch disease", as it's being called, will inevitably affect every device.
Aedan2016 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:45:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My plan allows me to get a new phone anytime from this (late) October until Halloween next year.
I hope to wait, and see if maybe something does come down the pipe that I like. I really do enjoy my Iphone.
callmerufio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:47:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's simply cause, progress.
L43 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It takes up quite a lot of room in the case, is a structural weakness and a potential gap for dust to get in. Also, you don't really need it. You can still connect 3.5mm headphones with the adaptor, or get bluetooth headphones (any work, not just their overpriced, likely crappy quality ones), and not piss about with wires at all. Thats the future in my eyes.
natty4lyfe ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 01:59:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is going to get down voted to hell but I agree with Apple's decision to remove the headphone jack. This pushes sound quality advancements in wireless headphone tech. Current Bluetooth tech is shit in terms of sound quality. How are we suppose to move into the future if everyone's OK with the same old wired tech.
Nyeaustin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:29:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree. It's probably gonna drop Apple's sales a little, but at least it's something Apple is supposed to be known for. Innovation.
modal11 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:00:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
By working on wireless tech issues that actually need fixing before taking the leap perhaps? Most of us have zero issues with wired audio tech and for good reason: Unless the product gets physically damaged, it generally works and sounds great provided you have decent speakers/headphones. They could focus on addressing Bluetooth quality issues without removing the DAC and audio jack from the phone, neither takes up much space and could easily fit into the current design. IMO this has everything to do with the Beats acquisition (a well marketed, superficially well designed but technically horrible product, when you compare cost v.s. quality) and how to monetize it.. easy enough.. by locking devoted Apple users into using it.
amolin ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:58:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did you miss the part where it has longer battery life? Or the new haptic engine? Removing the DAC and the plughole gives more room for other things.
jarrys88 ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 01:17:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm an android user but honestly, it comes with a little cord adapter anyway, whats it matter?
DariusL ยท 72 points ยท Posted at 01:27:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can't charge the phone and use the adapter at the same time, plus a small adapter like that is very easy to lose
iGotDatDainbramage ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 01:34:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
An I'd imagine the replacement adapters cost way more than they should.
r1pvanw1nkl3 ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 01:42:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
9 bucks
which seems cheap until you have to pay 9 bucks to buy a replacement adapter that you shouldn't need in the first place
Foktu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:50:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The good thing is that lightning cables don't go bad. That adapter will last a solid three months being pulled on ten times a day.
fullforce098 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:53:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And honestly the fact this is a conversation we even have to have now is fucking ridiculous. They screwed their users, plain and simple, no hand waving will change that.
imightgetdownvoted ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:05:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're actually only $9
Incursus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:54:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
$9 for something that would be pennies to add to the phone directly.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:34:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Only $9.
That's $9 for a stupid adapter that I shouldn't even need. I had dumb phones in the early 2000's that required dongles for headphone use and it was terrible.
I can't believe that people are willingly going to buy a phone that will require them to use dongles as well.
And yes, I know wireless headphones are a thing, but I don't want to have only a 5 hour limit on my headphones before I have to recharge them and I don't want to buy new headphones when I already have several pairs of $100 plus earbuds and headphones.
DariusL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:14:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're supposed to cost 9$, which isn't too bad, but it probably means it'll be super flimsy
ijustrk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:42:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
$9 from Apple. Knockoffs will probably only be a couple bucks at most.
FrankManic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:37:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One more fucking wire to carry around.
youcanttakemeserious ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's like they learned nothing from the my touch phones or g1
jesse9o3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:39:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And knowing Apple it'll be exorbitantly expensive and flimsy as shit.
Not that there's any connection between the product costing a lot and breaking all the time...
kangareagle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:00:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
$9.
NiamLeeson ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:08:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
the wireless earbuds, which is the entire reason they got rid of the jack, to transition from wired to wireless, are $160. You telling me you're willingly going to pay $160 for wireless earbuds from Apple? If not, and you still plan on using wired headphones, then there was no need to get rid of the 3.5mm jack in the first place.
youcanttakemeserious ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you remember the original my touch, or g1? Yeah I lost that adapter in about a week
TheSpektor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:35:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This. How headphones to people own? I'll use the new earpods, and then put the adapter on my sennheisers and forget it. My sennheisers already have an adapter to bring then from 1/4 to 3.5mm. I usually have my phone hooked up to my car via BT or to another speaker. ITT reddit is mad over change, than in 3 years will be laughable non-issue.
logged_n_2_say ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:34:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i'm probably right in apples wheelhouse for marketing the iphone 7
no change, for me:
for me, my car is bluetooth and the stereo connects through the lightning port anyways when i connect it to the phone.
i already work out with jaybirds.
home stereo uses airplay
bluetooth speaker is...well, bluetooth
would suck:
when i travel i have noise canceling headphones that i specifically got because i didn't want to mess with charging something else.
pool stereo is not airplay, and the amazon bluetooth adapter blows past 5 ft
can adapt (heh):
the noise cancelling headphones have a case that i could throw it in, but still something else to keep up with and potentially lose.
the new version of the NCH is ONLY bluetooth, and they stopped making the corded version like i have
not me but are shit outta luck:
those charging and using corded headphones. don't think i've done that once.
if you read all of my personal anecdotes kodos, sorry it wasnt in meme form
systembusy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:32:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The worst part about it is they own the lightning technology, and it supposedly produces better sound quality than the 3.5mm jack. More power to that port I guess? But the other worst thing is that so many businesses rely on it for things like Square card readers.
homeboi808 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:37:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Audio via Lightning is only better quality if the external DAC is better than the previous internal DAC of the phone (which is now in the adaptor). This is often the case with decently priced wireless headphones, but not on some $15 pair.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:29:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Harambe died for this
DiscoDigi786 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:13:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ouch.
Rosenblattca ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:36:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just got the new MacBook. It doesn't have a USB slot. What the fuck was I thinking? I had to buy a separate hookup for it.
penis_butter_n_jelly ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:28:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I bought a new horseless carriage and it doesn't even have a compartment for grain storage.
PretzelsThirst ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:32:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Me neither, have loved Apple since I was.... 6? I think I'm done.
DiscoDigi786 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:14:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Right there with you.
Scrubbing_Bubbles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:36:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You don't need to...
iamdroppy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:38:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What is it like to gain an extra camera and lose audio jack?
Mezujo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:41:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It'd be a bit defensible if they at least included wireless headphones with the purchase of the iphone or if they had wireless charging instead so that the various usages of the lightning cable were shortened.
But no, they didn't. I've had every flagship model of the Iphone they've had and I think this might be the first one I don't get.
PurpleComyn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:43:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Being an Apple user or not has nothing to do with it. Not being able to defend this is a bit shortsighted and shows a lack of vision. The headphone jack is an ancient technology. It delivers shit audio quality and is vulnerable to all sorts of damage. There may be some lost convenience in the short term, but just like removing the floppy drive, optical drive, ethernet port and etc its time to move on and in the long run this is a better product.
And if you want to use your old headphone just use the damn adapter.... its a simple solution.
johyongil ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:45:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Really? I'm actually down for it. It was inevitable, anyway. Lowers much of the market for active noise cancelling, among other things.
rck_james_bitch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just really like the wired headphones that I have. My wireless ones don't work well when I run.
johyongil ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:20:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They showcased a set of wired headsets that are active noise cancel, uses lightning connection.
mr_birkenblatt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:46:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
battery life
rck_james_bitch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No mention of battery life improvement. If there was, then it wouldn't be so bad.
mr_birkenblatt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:07:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Apple-iPhone-7-and-iPhone-7-Plus-battery-life_id85158
http://www.apple.com/iphone-7/ (third sentence)
Removing the jack gives room for a larger battery.
rck_james_bitch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:14:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Good news, but was that directly correlated with the removal of the headphone jack? I don't think it was.
mr_birkenblatt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
where-else does the room for the larger battery come from (also from the removal of the home button)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:46:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You don't like the ability to now have in-line noise cancellation?
TurboPGT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:47:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then obviously you're a moron, as anyone with ounce of reality and common sense can.
rck_james_bitch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a moron cause I like the wired headphones that I paid good money for that I won't be able to use anymore? You're a waste of life.
TurboPGT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:58:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So you overpaid for analog headphones and want to justify their existence? Keep trying. Oh, and you can still use them.
TexanInExile ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:50:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm proud of you; the first step to getting help is admitting you have a problem.
s00perguy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:51:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
as an android user: Fuck Apple, honestly.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:52:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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rck_james_bitch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:07:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I use my wired headphones to run and my wireless doesn't work well when I run. I have a good set of headphones that I paid good money for that I will no longer be able to use. I was complaining when they removed the CD drive cause I used it for work. Since I don't anymore, haven't used it in years, but still don't need to upgrade to a new Mac cause this 5 year old one that I'm using is smooth as hell.
TheMuffStufff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:52:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why cant you defend it? Its an obsolete technology. Theres literally nothing a headphone jack can do but provide audio. Its pointless. With that free space they were able to add double sided stereo speakers. Thats 100x worth it than a little headphone jack, that is slowly dying out anyway. Music is starting to be streamed via bluetooth, wireless, and even now with apples W1 chip. So I dont understand why people are all up in arms, eventually all phones will have this technology gone. Its a matter of time.
rck_james_bitch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:04:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think it's obsolete yet. I use wired headphones when I run. The wireless ones that I have don't work well while running. I think it's a bit too early too jump ship on the jack.
TheMuffStufff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:04:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just like apple was a bit too early to jump ship on the USB-C. But it will happen, and when everyones just jumping on, Apple will be the one perfecting what they already started, like always.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:56:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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PowManiac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:46:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean you get an adapter with it.
eyehate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:58:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They have really lost their way.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:58:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:59:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's probably to sell more wireless beats headphones
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:01:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Android user here. Yes you can. Wireless BT has improved by leaps and bounds. I listen to music on my wireless Sonies all the time. Wireless earphones with no cords are also around the corner.
If it's allowing Apple to make other improvements and improve water proofing, I'm all for it.
zxgravediggerxz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:01:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This coupled with ATT not subsidizing the 2 year contracts (grandfathered)... the iPhone 6 will most likely be my last Apple product.
Fhallopian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Idk what the big deal is. It comes with the adapter for those who still want to use the original headjack.
coolcool23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:04:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree, especially after seeing this picture of the Vivo x5 and knowing that the 7 is actually the same thickness as the 6.
demproteinz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Welp. Hanging onto my iPhone SE for as long as humanly possible.
I have an older vehicle that doesn't have USB in or bluetooth. It has a fucking AUX IN. Fuck you, Apple.
Apollo3519 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
what you can't use a tiny adapter? keep it on your usual headphone and PROBLEM SOLVED
plus it makes the phone water proof. I literally don't see any problem. you're making a big stink over literally nothing.
CRISPR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:07:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"We have to go back!"
-- Jack
Samiam23322 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:07:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What could putting an audio jack on the phone possibly hurt? Their reputation has always been simplicity and convenience. They blew that shit , right out the window with this phone!
Eyehopeuchoke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
T-Mobile tried the no headphone jack with the mytouch and I think it was less than a year later they released a new version of the mytouch with a head phone jack because most people hated having to carry around that stupid adapter. I wonder if it's going to catch on for Apple or be a fail.
Farradi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
http://i.imgur.com/9GBLKjH.gifv
Fnhatic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:19:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly the most ironic part is that a couple months ago, Samsung enabled the FM feature on the S7, which uses the 3.5mm jack for an antenna, which is something Apple had several years ago. And now Apple's removing it.
mastersw999 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:32:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just bought my first mac, if they do this shit Im out of here faster then some dude from the future on the titanic.
BALLARDINHO ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:33:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They do have 7 to choose from and iPods. So I'm not shocked they did something this stupid.
LookAtTheFlowers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:34:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Let's be real -- it's 2016. If you don't already have Bluetooth headphones you're a bit behind the times.
c_for ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:34:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're using your ears wrong.
-Apple
crack_a_toe_ah ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:35:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same. I guess the one I have now will be my last. It's time to switch.
frahs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:36:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As an Android user, I can. Getting rid of the auxiliary port makes total sense -- USB Type-C has more than enough bandwidth to stream high-quality digital audio and who needs one more hole in your phone?
Now the decision to use a lightning connector. That's dumb. They should have used USB type-c and added wireless charging so that you have a convenient way to charge your phone while listening to music.
It-idiot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:37:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Really? The adapter is in the box...
At some point, it is time to move on to something better. Example, VHS to DVD to Blu-Ray.
schwab002 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:38:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
The only thing I can think of is the mac book air, which was the first laptop to come out without a CD-rom drive, and nearly everyone was angry that apple would do such a thing and make them pay extra for a clunky external drive.
They (Jobs' decision?) were so right on that one.
I don't think the removal of these two features are that comparable but they are probably thinking along those lines.
edit: this is coming from someone who generally dislikes apple, and doesn't own a single apple product.
HenryKushinger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:40:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I must be living under a rock or something. What is this talking about?
imGnarly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:41:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Digital > Analog, someone had to do it first.
RapsFan420 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:41:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love my Macbook as it's held up incredibly well and I can't stand Windows so I've always just bought iPhones for the sake of cohesion. The iPhone 7 would need a different set of headphones from my Mac. Cohesion right?
And yes, I know there's an adaptor. I also know that it will break every other month and will constantly come out of it's port. No dice.
PowManiac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:42:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can defend it. Headphone jacks are outdated, take up valuable space and don't offer the same music streaming quality that lightning ports could. At some point we need to stop getting emotionally attached to these things and keep progressing.
kevando ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:42:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think this is one of those decisions that's an early indicator of what the apple car experience will be like. You can imagine they want as few cords as possible and they're getting us used to that early. Sucks now, though I agree.
A_BOMB2012 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:43:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People said the same thing when they started eliminating DVD drives in their laptops, now practically everyone does that.
Django117 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:43:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The worst part is that the product is fucking cool. Wireless earbuds are amazing and I've wanted them ever since seeing the movie Her. But that doesn't mean you sacrifice your 3.5mm jack!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:44:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought it was to make it completely water proof
avboden ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:46:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not that hard
Pushes the wireless standard forward, you will start seeing many more wireless headphones on the market.
don't like it? It's a tiny adapter you'll hardly notice.
the ONLY downside is not being able to charge the phone and use lightening headphones at the same time, that's seriously the only downside here.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:49:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've used macs for 25 of my 28 years of life and I won't even try
post-lurker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:50:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As an an apple user, I'll probably switch to android.
johnwithcheese ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:50:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All i can say is that people kept mocking apple when they killed the floppy/CD and look how it great it turned out for the rest of the industry. I honestly think apple is the only company that can get away removing the jack.
Its pretty futuristic but i cant help but feel sad about it
chtrchtr_pussyeater ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:53:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a Android Moto X Force user, I actually don't mind not having an aux port.
meh_whatev ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:58:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
You know, I like Apple but that's just one of these things where I stand on the side and let people complain because there's nothing else to do
cenamark ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:09:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I understand why they've done it it's old technology, but you're turning off potential customers who can't imagine a phone without the jack. It's like when Apple stopped including floppy drives with their computers in 1999. Yeah, the floppy's time was coming up, but it still had at least 5 years left of being used by the general public. Apple pulled the plug on it too soon. People don't want to be abruptly forced to give up their old technologies.
Good4Noth1ng ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:22:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can try. The 3.5mm headphone jack is long over due for retirement, it's archaic! It more than likely took up valuable space inside the device, which could be used for other improvements. Wireless headphones will only get better as time and research progresses, so why bother catering to old technology. Most people I know have already shifted over to wireless headphones. Honestly tho, who the hell even likes wires anymore...? I love this move by Apple. Fuck microUSB and fuck the 3.5mm !
GodzillaLikesBoobs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:27:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
what honestly made you buy their shit product in the first place, before this fiasco?
did you really get rekt by their marketing nonsense?
mrbooze ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:29:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's never bothered me to have the headphone jack, and I wouldn't care if it was still there, but I honestly haven't used my headphone jack in years.
And I don't have bluetooth in my car, I just charge and play via USB with the lightning cable.
moush ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:36:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You realize Apple has done this multiple times over the years and people just ignore it right? Nothing will be different this time either.
SMurdaa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:36:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As an apple user I really don't get the big deal. I already use Bluetooth audio almost exclusively... Plus they'll supply lightning port headphones and adapters. Everything is trending towards wireless anyway. Not really a deal breaker
lettis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:44:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
you do understand that at some point in your life the 30 year old analog headphone jack was going to die and be replaced by a digital connection right? its inevitable, unless you would rather see technology stagnate?
people hate on apple and make jokes every time they change something yet 2 years later everyone is like MY ANDROID DOES THAT TOO
Ehrre ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:45:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How about a waterproof phone?
Fnhatic ยท 591 points ยท Posted at 01:54:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't worry guys, Apple has a brilliant solution:
http://i.imgur.com/pMUH1OS.jpg
[deleted] ยท 282 points ยท Posted at 03:01:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For a second I thought that was a vacuum cleaner
all-the-puppies ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 04:07:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You mean it isn't?
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:57:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It does say cleaning system...
KOgames ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:52:40 on December 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
VOATisbetter02 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:18:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
haha so did i
pttoau ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:51:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I still do.
I_DOWN_VOTE_PUNS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:52:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You gotta buy that extension
IAmA_Risky_Click_AMA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:05:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
After working that out, I still find myself wondering, what has it got in its pocketses?
level1hero ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 03:04:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't know Sega made a vacuum cleaner
GolgiApparatus1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, it really sucks though.
Aterius ยท 139 points ยท Posted at 02:52:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your scientists were so preoccupied about whether they could they never stopped to think if they should.
turn30left ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:00:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jeff Goldblum!
GreyRobe ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:47:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Does that actually work?
sparkpin ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 03:02:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If the Cleaning System acts as a passthrough port then it should boot Game Genie, which then starts Sonic 3 & Knuckles, unless the SEGA CD takes priority
ToughActinInaction ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:54:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
be excellent to each other
Warholandy ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:38:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ahhh yes the Sega approach
It worked wonders for them,they're the leaders of gaming today
palunk ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:18:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tower of motherfucking power
Hamstry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:19:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The madder gaming ladder.
FutureInPastTense ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:07:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The second Sonic and Knuckles cartridge was a nice touch. I wonder what would happen if someone actually tried to turn that on.
Between Sega and Nintendo I was a Sega kid growing up. In hindsight I think I bet on the wrong horse.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:18:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sega kids thought they were so much better with their real Mortal Kombat blood
GGAllinsMicroPenis ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:53:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We had Blast Processingโข, bitch. Genesis does what Nintendon't.
FriendsOfFruits ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:37:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
and knuckles
Hamstry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:21:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Featuring Dante from the Devil May Cry series
TheBestestLaCeleste ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:50:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Omg i miss sonic & knuckles
palunk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:20:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kega Fusion bro
BertitoMio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:47:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Huh?
palunk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:31:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
an emulator
Hamstry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:20:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, once it's up there you'll never reach the cartridge again.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:44:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apple 7 & Knuckles
Kawaii_on_the_street ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:33:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's beautiful.
cinnamonandgravy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:36:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Whats the thing directly above the 32x?
My enhance aint too great these days.
jcw4455 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:48:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Stop..you're hurting it..
TheDeerKing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:54:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If one of those doesn't work you better bring your inhaler because you'll need it after all that blowing.
RedditDoneRight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:06:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Perfect for Sonic 3CD & knuckles& Knuckles
ChubbsDaddy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:13:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
GAME GENIE!!! holy shit I forgot all about that and actually have no recollection of what it does
Die4Ever ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:00:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Introducing the iPhone 7 and Knuckles and Knuckles and Knuckles
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:31:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm still devastated that NHL 97 & Knuckles didn't work.
KOgames ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:52:18 on December 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sonic 3CD & Knuckles & Knuckles
xdamm777 ยท 177 points ยท Posted at 01:33:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So, honest question here.
If Apple defends this decision because they have "courage" and we must "move on" how are they going to realistically defend the decision of removing the headphones jack from their iPad, Macbooks and iMacs?
Will they simply keep the headphones jack because these are larger devices and have enough space to accommodate it or will they prove they actually do have the courage to start this shit and go on with it?
Spacecommander5 ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 02:17:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Good question. Motorola beat them to it, but I bet they will continue on with this trend. They'll probably still have it on their bigger products for a while, just like they still have ethernet ports on their desktop computers.... Then again, they removed the DVD drives from their larger computers too... But DVD drives are larger than headphone jacks, so we will see
Greenpants00 ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 02:28:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yea I got a new mac as a present in 2015. Went to insert CD and....oh. Now I have an external cd/DVD drive sitting next to my mac, using up an additional USB port. Thanks Apple.
xdamm777 ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 02:52:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair I haven't even physically touched a CD/DVD in the last 6 years, but sometimes I think about buying some BluRays and a BluRay player for my PC, but then I remember the case I bought doesn't even have a tray for a disk reader...
Everything is a compromise but removing such an essential part of a mobile device (headphones jack) is still dumb IMHO.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 11:07:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:11:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The quality is a worse bitrate. Blu-ray is still the best quality, better than the ultraviolet codes
Fuzzysaur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:36:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But how much space do they take up?
DeandreDeangelo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:18:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think a GB or two. We only download a few onto the iPad when we travel, otherwise we stream them.
23569072358345672 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:00:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No one uses cd drives anymore! That's why they got rid of it. Apple aren't going to fit one so that it might get used once in its lifetime.
MrStigglesworth ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 08:22:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, that was justifiable at the time. But wired headphones are still in everyday usage and removing that port is so stupid.
Pingwinho ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:41:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People were crying about the CD drive at the time as well.
Edit: This is by no means a defence of the current decision to remove the jack. I know it's idotic.
MrStigglesworth ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:50:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I remember the uproar, but I also remember buying the Macbook Air around then after realising that due to Steam and Spotify I didn't ever buy CD's anyway.
YourBobsUncle ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:39:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And Blu-ray discs don't have any native support on macs. Do I seriously have to use Windows or Linux to burn Blu-rays or what?
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 07:49:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What? Yes they do. All the way down to 10.4.9(!!) there's been support for external blu-ray discs. What are you talking about?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:46:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's just idiotic if true.
wronglyzorro ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:30:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It isn't true. Besides Linux based systems typically have some guy in the community who gets angry enough at a problem to write his own software, that's is available free to everyone.
Fbydus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:57:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Motorola recently released moto z play and it has 3.5 mm port
iclimbnaked ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:26:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yah its only on their flagship z series that they dropped it.
vicarwin ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:45:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"courage", more like "arrogance" and also "stupidity"
They should tell people exactly how much space they saved.
PirateNinjaa ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:02:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Real estate is not as much a premium in those devices which seems to be the primary motivator. it will be interesting to see if they do or not.
Jomasjc ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:07:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They'll use usb C I'd say.
ThatGuyFromVault111 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:51:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Rumor mill says the next set of Macs and iPads won't have 3.5mm
just_comments ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:46:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They can't remove it from their macs unless they plan on making a high quality audio adapter because audio engineers need it.
FamilyHeirloomTomato ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:58:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They will. A thunderbolt to audio jack adapter can have as high quality or better DAC than the current macbook has. I'm not defending the decision, but I would put money on it happening on the next big update.
Hammersjose ยท 619 points ยท Posted at 23:07:25 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
RIP Windows phones
KarmaForTrump ยท 595 points ยท Posted at 01:11:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love my Windows Phone. There's dozens of us!
-birds ยท 228 points ยท Posted at 01:20:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dozens!
(same)
Span0201 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:00:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I want to join you! But there are so few apps...
marblefoot ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 02:14:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I used to feel the same way, until I realized I don't use hardly any apps. I would download flappy bird, play it for a week, then be done with it. The ONLY apps I need are Office apps, a music player, email and an alarm. (Oh and calling and texting). Occasionally Facebook messenger. I never used Snapchat. Windows Phone works for me, and I love Continuum, so I don't need a full computer.
Windows Phone is great for me.
b0005 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:39:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This
It does everything I actually want it to do. I've had my Lumia 928 since it was brand new and I love the thing.
MojoPinnacle ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:58:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Snapchat is the deal breaker. I mainly use my phone for reddit and functions similar to what you listed... And Snapchat.
blastinglastonbury ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:47:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't miss it at first. I moved from android to Windows phone. It was STELLAR. I loved every damn thing about that phone.
Then it broke around the time my contract was up. No new phones at the time so i decided to go with android. Now I use Snapchat all the time. Wouldn't want to switch back if it wasn't there.
daredevilxp9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:15:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly this, I got the lumia 800 on release and it's still one of my favourite phones, incredibly drop proof, really smooth and felt great in the hand, unfortunately I'm a sucker for social media and snapchat and Instagram were kind of deal breakers for me, when it came to replacing it I had to go for android because it was cheap and actually had an App Store
marblefoot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:00:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've got my own personal gripes against Snapchat. But no one seems to care. :(
dessert_all_day ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:37:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have never used Snap Chat. You can tell me your gripes. It will be interesting to see another POV.
marblefoot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:22:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
From what little I used Snapchat, it seems as though it encourages users to make fun of people, and for people to share nude pictures. Not to mention, the CEO is an an absolute douche. He is a misogynistic jerk that needs punched in the face badly. I got more snaps laughing at professors/teachers and people than anything actually meaningful. Snapchat users tell me, "I like it because it doesn't save pictures on my device," but you can just delete pictures if you don't want them.
I heard that he doesn't care about the Android platform, which is why their Snapchat app sucks. When asked about Windows Phone, or at least letting a WIndows Developer write for the app (or give them access to the API), they don't respond. I have asked multiple questions to their support team, and I have NEVER had a single response. Not even a "We got your message."
dessert_all_day ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:41:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I understand why you don't like Snapchat.
I have seen selfies on Facebook where they use doggy ears and templates to make the pictures look cute. I have also heard cautionary tales about people taking screen caps and to never assume that a picture won't be shared or won't survive on the internet forever.
That being said, constantly receiving snaps that make fun of others and gives me more negative snaps than feel-good snaps would sour my experience too. Your gripes with the app are justified.
beniceorbevice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:45:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I got a Windows phone last year for a short time when my nexus broke, I would be on a Windows phone if it had Snapchat and Swype. 100%
mattthepianoman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:23:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The lack of apps doesn't bother me at all. It's the really poor design of the OS that made me leave.
I had a Lumia 640 and I loved it. It was fast, had a great camera and the battery life was phenomenal. Sadly it fell out of my pocket and cracked, so my insurance company replaced it with a Lumia 650 running Windows 10.
Since switching I've had an absolute nightmare of a time with it. They even swapped it again for me under warranty but the new unit has the same issues. Updates form MS fix one problem but break something else. I've been told to join the Insider program to try the test builds but I can't see that making my phone more stable.
Long story short, I bought a secondhand Samsung S6 Edge and I love it. The battery life isn't as good but it's fast, stable and has fast charging.
TL;DR: Fuck Windows 10
mirhagk ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:26:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm hoping UWP solves this issue. That and Xamarin forms where you can write a single app, target every platform, and have it not suck. Just need to wait a few years for it to take a decent market share.
Rhysing ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:04:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because its a better phone. Not a better small screen social media device.
HanzoHouse ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:40:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm so I happy I went WP. High quality camera and headphone jack? Removable Battery? Left the cancerous Facebook community for the even more cancerous reddit community. Seems like it's working out for me.
b0005 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:38:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Preach Brother!
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FrankFeTched ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:03:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why?
nocommemt ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:09:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because there are two Windows phone users
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FrankFeTched ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:18:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh I just... I didn't get it
[deleted] ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 01:26:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lumia 640 user reporting in.
squrr1 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:07:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Whelp, looks like everybody is here, start the meeting.
tooyoung_tooold ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:40:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
640 is the shit.
kofteburger ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:46:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
830 master race.
compelx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:52:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cut the chatter Lumia users, accelerate to attack run!
kofteburger ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:10:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently something called "surface" phone will be our savior.
Zoltrahn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:52:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nothing comes close to my phablet 1520. I've had it since the day it came out and have no intention of changing phones anytime soon.
dmt267 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:37:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lumia 950XL masterrace
Zoltrahn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:38:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That really is the only phone I have even thought about upgrading to and really only for continuum. Have you tried it out yet? If so, what do you think of it?
Betinem ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:00:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
True!
YoungHeartsAmerica ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:40:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I loved my Lumia 800.
Bachklamk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:54:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lumia 925 user reporting in.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:46:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just bought a Lumia 640 'cause it was like $30 new at Best Buy. I absolutely hate -- hate -- the Windows mobile user interface. It is so fucking bad. Luckily I just bought the Lumia has a spare device to play around with, it didn't replace my Moto X Pure.
o4zloiroman ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:54:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
You'll get used to it, I couldn't figure it out after iOS for like 2 weeks. But now I honestly think win mobile is the best platform for phones out there. No, my Lumia doesn't hold me hostage while I write these words.
random352486 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:30:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everytime I use a friends Android or iOS device I realise that there is just so much unused space on the homescreen or app drawer, I really like how "dense" the W10M UI is. Oh and my parents love it because for them it's much simpler to use than the other two but that's a subjective thing.
giganato ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:20:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's better read cleaner than the Android interface.. Google apps though is the only thing I miss
dmt267 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:38:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Meh I have a moto g4 and the Windows Phone interface is much better than this
Aimless_Creation ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:26:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I adore my phone. I hate the android interface and apple is way too expensive. I love my windows phone.
psilontech ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:13:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Enabled FM radio FTW!
Uber_Nerd ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:46:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I'm kinda pissed that Microsoft removed the FM radio app in the anniversary update. At least there are 3rd party options in the store.
Diredoe ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:15:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I drop my Windows phone all the time on the cement floor at work and nary a single crack on my screen. Totally worth it for not having any apps!
FeMALEandConfused ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:34:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've had two windows phones. One got thrown out the window of my moving car and not a scratch. The most recent one had screen cracks and nothing else after being run over by a forklift carrying a full load. Regretfully switched to a Nexus... I want my windows phone back.
norcalcolby ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:09:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Had a lumia before i got my s6 and now s7 active. Honestly, i used to be big into phone modding, flashing and customizing windows mobile phones but when windows phones rolled out i tried to stay aboard the microsoft ship.. but they failed to get more apps and tools we requested. On andriod until that issue is solved.
wabojabo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:34:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hopefully, I'm buying Lumia 650 next November.
RadiantPumpkin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:45:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think almost everyone who has ever had one has loved it but Microsoft and the cell companies just never gave it a chance. I loved my 920 and would've switched back to wp in a second had I not been pressed for time to get my newest phone.
Betinem ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:58:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Totally agree! Proud Lumia 830 owner. Really love this device.
here2be2see2thee ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:05:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I liked mine but the app support was dropping like flies. I mean, Bank of America pulled their app. I went to transfer some money, "Bitch, We don't support your janky Windows phone." I don't do a ton on my phone, but the banking app was the nail in the coffin for me. With Samsung I have the app and login with my fingerprint.
Gorelover666 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:38:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe more :O
Th3GingerHitman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:11:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I used to have windows phones, and I miss them, but Verizon stopped carrying decent ones so I had to switch to android.
KarmaForTrump ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:14:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I actually switched to ATT for this reason...
Uber_Nerd ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:44:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah me too. I had the Icon and jumped to the 950XL on ATT.
spockspeare ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:22:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How many snakes can one snakeball contain!
ArgonWilde ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:22:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lumia 830 user reporting - 8.1 Update 2 master race
KarmaForTrump ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:14:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
8.1 was superior to 10. I miss my Lumia 1520 Denim
seattledreamer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:44:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder what the Surface phone has to offer. I really hope they finally make a phone with a mobile mode that docks to a kb+m desktop environment.
KarmaForTrump ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:13:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's what my 950 does right now. I think the surface phone will be sleeker, faster, and hopefully on all four carriers.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:16:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dozens
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:20:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Whoa now, lets not exaggerate our numbers.
hardypart ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:10:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hate my Windows Phone.
valtin97 ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 23:49:37 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Y? Now I'm worried
xavierdale ยท 53 points ยท Posted at 01:11:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's the Windows phones are dead meme, I guess.
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Samura1_I3 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:39:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, forgot to charge it last night?
nouille07 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:07:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Subtle
thebuttyprofessor ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:52:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can Windows phones be dead if they were never alive in the first place?
thevoiceofzeke ยท 56 points ยท Posted at 02:04:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had a Windows phone for a couple years. Having had an iPhone since then, and now a Galaxy S6, the Windows phone is the best phone I've ever had. It's not even close.
Yes, the app market on Windows sucks, BUT the OS is way faster, way less buggy, nicer looking, more intuitive, more user-friendly, and the phones themselves come with way less bloatware.
I'm switching to Google Fi (HTC) for my next phone because I absolutely hate my Samsung. If that's a bust then I'd seriously consider going back to Windows phone.
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ANGLVD3TH ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:19:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My biggest gripe is they have a stick so far up their ass about allowing any kind of competitor stuff into their app store. Ok, I get that you don't want Google taking a piece of your pie, but really? I'm pretty sure they've lost a lot more to the microscopic app store than they would to letting some apps in that might take a small cut of their captive audience...
TheUnspokenTruth ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 05:16:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My brother had a windows phone and I loved it, but I will never buy one because it lacks the apps I use. Defeats the purpose of having a smart phone.
Balind ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:36:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What apps specifically does it lack?
TheUnspokenTruth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:28:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty much all of them. My brother had to get a fake snapchat app and then that got shutdown.
ohhthehorror ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:13:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yap.. Instagram only recently has a official app for win mobile. Facebook is ported from iOS, and it's rubbish.. Great OS, great phones most of them, but the apps..
TheUnspokenTruth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:24:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If they opened up to the Google play store I'd buy a windows phone in a heart beat
ohhthehorror ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:27:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My windows phone only has a year, it's almost new and I don't intend to switch it for another year or two. I hope when I need to buy a new one they already had made a change of some kind to the app problem or I'll go to Android unfortunately.
Haecairwen ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 09:33:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's totally the other way around. They even had to delete their Youtube app because Google didn't want them to have it.
pyr0bee ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:55:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Petty sure it's the other way around. Google flat out refuses to develop for Windows phone and any 3rd party alternatives are blocked by them
misanthropicalturist ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:36:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's Google not wanting to be let in. Look at the original Microsoft YouTube app. They know WP is a competitor so they have tried to kill the market.
IllRED ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:46:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same, I'm on my third budget Windows Phone. It's super sturdy, plays anything I need it to. But as much as I'd love to use skype to talk to my friends, that app is just a broken mess and messages are simply not arriving or being sent.
mikaelfivel ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:55:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Was a proud former-WP user since WP7, only converted about a year ago when they started beta testing w10m, and man do i miss it for many things. I'm on an S7Edge right now, and it's ok - cluttered, buggy, but it gets the job done. WP8.1 was quite fantastic and actually very clever - too bad MSoft didn't pursue devs more aggressively. I understand they're playing the long game by making UWP and building that foundation, but come on man, i want to go back.
YipRocHeresy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:18:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Google fi? Does Google have their own network now?
thevoiceofzeke ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:35:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They don't advertise it for some reason, but my coworker is happy with it.
https://fi.google.com/signup?u=0
Shmeves ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:44:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's good for what it does. Not the best network as they borrow from both Sprint and T-mobile, but I rarely have issues with signal strength and with Wi-Fi calling/texting it doesn't matter much anyways.
Also being able to text/call from the web on any pc is pretty cool too.
Cheap as hell plans on top of that (you pay for what you use in data other than the first payment).
venounan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:22:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, and it's awesome - check out /r/ProjectFi
ThegreatandpowerfulR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:09:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Have you checked out Motorola phones? I love mine, even the flagship phone is cheap. It also blows people's minds that my phone has a built in radio that I can use (afaik every phone has a radio but only Motorola activates it). My cel plan is ting, which is also so inexpensive and similar to Google Fi I think.
itchy_puss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:15:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I say the same about my blackberry 10 phone. Plus security, 36 hour battery life, expandable memory, built like a tank, best integrated messaging hub, and wicked physical and virtual keyboards.
Balind ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:35:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hrm, I wonder if making Windows Phone specific apps might be a good business strategy.
thevoiceofzeke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:20:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't say so. All the users of WP want is to use the same apps that their friends on Android and iOS use. One developer made several clone apps (like 6Snap instead of Snapchat) that worked with their counterparts, but those companies came after him (despite having no intention of ever making their own WP version) and his apps were removed. It sucked.
I suspect the reason so many popular apps don't have a WP version is because Google and Apple try hard to keep it that way :/.
Thomjones ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 02:13:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I LOVED my Windows Phone. I seriously miss it. The ease of use was incredible compared to my new android phone. And the UI was just...idk...it was just dynamic and stylish and idk. It was quality.
Windows_97 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 04:07:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I always thought my HTX 8X had actual life to it when the tiles were flipping with new updates/information. The home screen was never static. I loved that thing.
Thomjones ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:59:45 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Right?!
imdungrowinup ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:22:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I used to love my windows phone too. The touch on HTC was amazing. Then I had an android and I used to miss the touch that my windows phone had. Then I was gifted an iPhone and now I am stuck with it.
w4rkry ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:25:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can put a full Win Phone UI on an android
dmt267 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:39:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How?
acupofteak ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:14:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There are all sorts of Winphone inspired launchers and apps on the play store. Just Google it to get started.
Or you could go full on Win10 with this dude's KLWP live wallpaper.
dmt267 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:55:11 on September 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting. Thanks mate~
ajvl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:02:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
RemindMe! 2 days
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:19:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It won't feel the same. One thing that annoyed me with android three years ago, was that when I ran an app it didn't respond to anything, the phone hung for 6 second. WP stays responsive no matter what. When an app is starting I can cancel it.
MatsuDano ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 01:45:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe this time they'll get it right.
AFCKillYou ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:22:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lumia 720 here, amazing phone.
pooh9911 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:59:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also Lumia 720, Sadly Both Microsoft and me broke it.
unknownman19 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 01:33:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/WindowsPhone disagrees
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 01:48:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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FoxxyRin ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:59:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The community kind of blew that one out of proportion. They never once had the intention of letting the average user port over .apks. It was an app conversion method for developers which IS implemented. Any app can become a W10 universal app if they just port over their iOS/Android app. The issue is that companies are being jerks about it and refusing to do it. A few have finally started (Instagram, Facebook, etc.), but companies like Snapchat are just being jerks about it.
Fire_Bucket ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:14:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The annoying thing about Snapchat is that they could have spent all the time and effort they put into taking down all the knock-off SC apps and proactively being anti-Windows Phone, just making a fucking Snapchat app.
They legitimately have been dicks about it too. IIRC, they hired Rudy Huyn, the guy behind all the '6' series of ports/knocks offs (6tag - Insta, 6tin - Tinder, 6sec - Vine, etc) and then just dicked him around before binning him. They basically just wasted his time so he wouldn't create another 6snap after they originally took it down.
FoxxyRin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:33:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't Rudy do something along the lines of offering to do their app for free as long as they'd just keep his name on it, and then Snapchat threw a huge fit about him wanting his name on it? Or some sort of dumb drama like that? I don't remember the exact story, but I do remember that they're just a bunch of fucking jackasses.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:51:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Windows Phone being able to run .apk apps? Pretty sure Microsoft gave up on it.
carbonnanotube ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:05:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They are still cheap as hell which is why I love mine.
It has a good youtube app and a reddit reader which is 99% of the usage of my phone anyways.
ALobpreis ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:37:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I bought a Lumia 640 for my wife and we are very happy with it!! I don't know why Windows phones are not more popular.
wabojabo ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 03:35:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Microsoft came late to the party.
ALobpreis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:06:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, it's not as successful as BlackBerry. :P
EpzDR ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:49:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apps. The damn (Lack of) apps.
I absolutely love Windows 8.1 mobile. It's like the middle ground between iOS and Android, stable OS that doesn't show signs of slowing down, a degree of flexibility (Not as much as 'droid but more than iOS) and the phones were a bargain for their specs.
Lost my Lumia 1020, I still miss it. Unfortunately I can no longer do with the lack of important apps (Social media usually lagged behind in features, and there's no Waze!!) so am reluctantly switching to Android once I buy a new phone.
M0ty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:16:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There is a waze app actually. It's a little outdated but it's there
yumyumgivemesome ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:46:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can somebody explain what the joke is? I've been living under a rock for the past few weeks.
EpzDR ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 03:45:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I believe it's just because the OP titled the post "Android exclusive", completely forgetting that Windows Phones still exist.
TheOddEyes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:05:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Previous BlackBerry user here. I know how you feel
RecursiveHack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:58:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I loved Windows Phone when I had it, for simple tasks like calling, SMS, whatsapp and browsing it was so nice and smooth and the battery used to last 2 days, only thing lacking in WP is apps variety IMO
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:14:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm honestly thinking about switching from Android to Windows phone on my next purchase (in a few years). I just bought the axon 7 and I love it, but I don't like the direction Google is taking with Android.
SaabFan87 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:32:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a Palm OS user I feel your sense of loss and confusion. Come to Android, no it isn't the warm fuzzy embrace of your mother OS but at least we have 3.5mm jacks.
julesthemodest ยท 175 points ยท Posted at 01:52:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, so now at the airport you can choose between charging your phone or listening to music/podcasts/etc.
wharpudding ยท 164 points ยท Posted at 02:04:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh come on, you'll be able to do both.
It'll just require a $49 proprietary adapter to do it.
TimbuFTZB ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 05:55:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
or just get those new $169 headphones and be really good at not losing small objects
Sabrielle24 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:59:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or dropping the delicate little money sticks.
rebo2 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 06:46:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually it's not physically possible due to the number of pins with an adapter or not.
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Durandal-1707 ยท 5880 points ยท Posted at 22:46:10 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking Android fanboys. Think you're so special with your headphone jacks, NFC functionality, expanded memory slots, wireless charging, and wide range of easy customization for nearly every aspect of the phone!
Oh god I miss my HTC so much....
[deleted] ยท 1501 points ยท Posted at 23:06:10 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like a bad case of droid rage.
4609203 ยท 727 points ยท Posted at 23:45:05 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Droid commercials were the best because of the cool way they said Droid at the end.
Citizen_Spaceball ยท 276 points ยท Posted at 23:48:00 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I say it like that in my head every time I see the word "droid" in print.
Suckydog ยท 478 points ยท Posted at 00:20:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I actually say it out loud, I also have throat cancer
surroundedbywolves ยท 79 points ยท Posted at 00:23:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe that has something to do with you going around yelling "droid!" all the time
DrDemenz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:22:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe he ate out Catherine Zeta Jones at some point.
powernk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:36:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Burn
ICE417 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:53:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bro. I haven't laughed this hard all day. Thanks.
iUnthinkYou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:45:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://media1.giphy.com/media/HPvfnOuz1tOgg/200w.gif
Merith2004 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:39:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
...that got dark very quickly. Be strong bud.
TheVentiLebowski ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:07:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Me too!
iUnthinkYou ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:48:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Clever username there.
knemical ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:03:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not the only one! DROID.
VonPursey ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:21:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
DROOYYYYYDDH
skeptibat ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 00:00:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hate that people refer to all android phones as "droid." "I got me a droid." What kind? "HTC from AT&T." Huh. Only Verizon has droid phones.
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:35:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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dryerlintcompelsyou ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:09:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
These two statements are almost completely contradictory
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 01:46:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, twat off.
skeptibat ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:47:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Twat did you say?
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 01:49:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, congratulations on managing to comprehend that well enough to parrot it back.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:50:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 01:53:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, even when I'm not looking at the screen I know you're there.
skeptibat ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:55:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well then, if you feel that these letters are worth your time and effort, then by all means, have fun! Vent your frustrations of the day! Get em out! If insulting letters on the screen makes you feel good inside, then who am I to stand in your way! hifive
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:07:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The way you type makes me embarrassed for you
skeptibat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:08:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Aww, don't be embarrassed, its OK. Sometimes you just need to vent.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:58:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're typing more, and I'm not reading yours past a glance. Have fun responding.
skeptibat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:01:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Aww, see, now you're all better, tellin' people to have fun! No more grouchypants /u/Merteroud here! <3 you too!
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:11:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
<3 Why don't I have a love letter in my inbox? Is this all just a lie?
skeptibat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:16:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Now that I think about it, I've actually never used the private messaging system in reddit. It's just a platform to look at cat pictures and make snarky comments. I don't even use the agree/disagree arrows.
Actually, I take that back, i did receive one message, about a month ago, and I have no idea what it means:
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:18:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had to look that one up, apparently it's a sword from an anime, but there's some kind of debate about whether that's the name? Kinda weird, but it looked like it would have been a cool sword.
hexane360 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:56:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Username checks out.
gophergun ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:18:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do other genericized trademarks bother you? Band-aid, Xerox, Kleenex, etc.?
skeptibat ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:29:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, because I wasn't around at the time those became genericized. I'm sure if I was, and reddit was, I would have made the same comment about it though.
But, this is more akin to calling all tablets 'ipads' -- another thing that I would make a snarky comment about on reddit. (Don't mistake my snark and hyperbole as being bothered, I really couldn't care less. I just like making dumb comments on reddit.)
hexane360 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:56:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Right here I have a Windows Phone. It's a Droid-like device.
promonk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:52:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The phones make that noise when they boot, too.
slugsnot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:36:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had the DNA that screamed that sound every time it turned on. I shit you not, the splash screen was "quietly brilliant"
inyourwindows ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:57:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fun fact: The Droid voice is from Apple too! http://kottke.org/10/09/how-to-make-the-droid-sound
PetrRabbit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:36:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Often experienced when you get hemdroids
Durandal-1707 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:41:34 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Does that mean I hate android or droids have infected me and forced me to rant about iphones?
PMME-YOUR-TITS-GIRL ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:44:43 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shh, you're not supposed to know about that part of Google's plan yet
MidDayNinja ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:54:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think it may be a bit of Apple rot.
timndime ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:55:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
roid rage
it hurts
killchain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:13:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Now imagine
MotorolaLenovo putting out a phone named "Droid Rage".[deleted] ยท 462 points ยท Posted at 00:48:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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BasicDesignAdvice ยท 112 points ยท Posted at 01:21:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm kind of amazed you would need to do this. My G3 lasted almost all day. Same with my 6P.
Do you work outside? Your wouldn't need to swap batteries if you just bring a charger to work and charge it.
kirkum2020 ยท 87 points ยท Posted at 01:28:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Once you hit that 5.5 inch mark, with sufficient power, you find your laptops and tablets gathering dust. You use the phone for everything but gaming.
I carry a fat 22,400mAh power bank in my bag for the same reason.
[deleted] ยท 99 points ยท Posted at 01:47:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Only if you don't type much on them.
Kashimir1 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:44:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I carry a pocket size foldable keyboard that plugs into my phone's USB port. That, combined with a tiny phone stand, makes for a perfect cafรฉ setup. Power bank is a great thing to have on hand, even though it needs the same port.
Walking aimlessly around town while trying to convince yourself to sit down and write has never been easier.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:48:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you're a writer, it might make sense to carry a keyboard wherever you go. For everyone else, it's just one more thing to have to carry around that doesn't make much sense to.
Earlycrowd ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:11:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not just writers.
Plenty of my friends in University do this, and then there are those freaks called redditors who most certainly have a fair deal of phone-keyboarders in their ranks. Redditing 20 hours a day is hard work.
Kashimir1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:31:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
True, there's no point if you don't plan to sit down to write for hours.
However, in the cafรฉ that I frequent there have always been loads of people with their laptops. Over the years I've seen a few of them adopting the phone&keyboard-solution. My guess is that they are translators, copy-editors, bloggers, or any of the dreadful jobs where you end up writing emails all day.
I just want to say that if anyone is carrying their laptop around just to produce text, I can wholeheartedly recommend the phone&keyboard-solution.
RaginReaganomics ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 03:59:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can't believe Apple had the audacity to get rid of the physical keyboard in the iPhone. I for one know I will never buy an iPhone unless it has a full QWERTY keyboard
TheRealCJ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:51:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can absolutely agree with that, I'm using this to type right now, and I'm noting going to go back and correct any mistakes I make on purpose. Jus to show how bad I am at typing on a digital keyboard.
TheRealCJ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:52:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, that fucking backfired. Normally I type like a a syphilitic monkey on this thing, suddenly I'm a pro.
iamdusk02 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:33:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Casuals
Elbradamontes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:37:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or record music. Or do graphic design. Or photo editing. Or file organization. Or sketch. Or edit web pages.
Dragoniel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:03:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Swype keyboards. Android has it per default, at least on OnePlus. I type on my phone just a little slower than on full keyboard.
Jaytalvapes ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 02:16:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I type waaaay faster and more accurately on my phone.
I don't understand the downvotes. It's a fact. I'm sorry?
[deleted] ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 02:19:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Really? I can't imagine that - no matter how fast I type, swype, or use voice on my phone I could never be faster than just typing it.
Alpha_Bit_Poop ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:10:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I guess lots of people can't type good on a keyboard, and only know how with their thumbs.
Callahandro ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 03:13:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Superman types good. People type well.
Shmeves ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:34:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Makes me appreciate computer classes in elementary school. Forced to learn how to type on a keyboard without looking at it at an early age.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:24:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You have only 2 fingers?
a_o_a ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:44:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
lol. Casual.
jibbyjam1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:02:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm in my 3rd week of this semester, and I spend about 8 hours on campus every weekday, and use a big batterypack like that to charge my phone when it needs it. I use that charger every day, and it didn't die until this morning. It's so useful to have.
ribairral ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:43:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What power bank you use?
SmallzMafia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:36:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
5.5 inches and "sufficient power" doesn't really get my panties wet.
EndgameArchitecture ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:04:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
On a Note 4 here, and you're absolutely right. I use my laptop if I'm going to be typing... Other than that, it's all on my Note 4.
pastryfiend ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:19:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting that you say that. Since getting my g3, my tablet gets very little use, I don't always bother to bring it when I travel since my phone is so capable, large enough to be very useful but small enough to fit in my pocket.
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VulturE ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:02:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Get a 6P and a usb battery bank that can do reversible USB. You'll only use the battery bank for emergencies.
I charge my phone every day by plugging it into the car charger and doing my 20min ride to work and my 20 minute ride home. No charger at work and no charger at home except for one kept in my laptop bag which is used once or twice a month.
Quickcharge 3.0 is goddamn magic.
kushxmaster ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:54:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, people who haven't experienced the joy of multiple batteries will never understand how great it is to not plug your phone in. The only time I put mine on a charger is if I use the Hotspot so it doesn't die.
My battery will last me a day and a half or more and it's nice to just pop a new battery in and keep going about my day.
ChillBallin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:45:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm on my phone constantly too and, well my iPhone 6 lasts all day from an overnight charge. If I forget to charge one night it still has around 30%. I'm never really concerned about my phone dying even if I forget to charge it.
Imissmyusername ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:59:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My phone is 3 years old, the battery was great to begin with but eventually stopped holding a charge as long. I was able to just buy a new battery thankfully.
Trinket90 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:08:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder what the difference is. I have a 6S and, while the battery life is miles beyond the HTC One I had, it doesn't last a whole day anymore without charging. It might have right at the beginning (it's about a year old now).
shredderrrrrr ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:05:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So you buy two extra batteries and chargers but can't buy two extra usb cords?
Buy a USB to keep at home. Buy a USB to keep at work. Done. You'll never be "scrambling for a charger" or anything.
kushxmaster ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:55:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
LG gave me a battery and charging station for free with my phone, along with a 200 gig SD card.
shredderrrrrr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:56:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And the cost of one more of each would still far exceed the cost of one more USB cord.
kushxmaster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:24:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except I would never need one more of either lol. I'm not the same guy you were talking to.
My battery lasts me 2 days, if I bring my second battery that's four days of charge without needing to plug in.
Why on earth would I need another 200 gig SD card? My phone has 64 already built in. I don't even use the SD, it's just an extra bonus.
You won't understand how nice it is having more than one battery because you've never had one. I used to think it wasn't that great before I had one too.
Also, an oem charger for my phone is 20 bucks and so is an extra battery so your point on it costing more is moot.
shredderrrrrr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:03:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was simply addressing the comment of how great it is having a spare battery at home and a spare battery at work so the phone can always be charged. In that scenario, it is literally no different than having a USB cord at home and one at work.
And how does an additional charger and an extra battery costing $40 total make my point that a USB cord is cheaper "moot"? A USB cord is like $5.
kushxmaster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:45:40 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's not an oem charger. A non oem charger means I can't use fast charge functionality. If I can't use fast charge there's almost no point to plugging my phone in and an oem charger is still 20 bucks but I can get the batteries for the same price so it still makes more sense to buy more batteries. They also have longer lives and won't start dying as quick because they never get fully depleted. I'm trying to get the point across that the USB and battery are the same price. I already got the extra battery and charging station for free with my phone. If I want another battery it's the same as the oem cord so why buy the cord? Idk, maybe you like being tethered to a wall.
I agree having a battery at home and work is a little overkill.
You're won't understand though because you've never had two batteries for your phone. It's a godsend.
shredderrrrrr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:40:50 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be clear, I have had two batteries for my phone--I don't know why you assume I've always had an iPhone. Having the second battery was nice, but I found myself never using it.
I think this might just be a difference in opinion based on profession. Where I work, I'm sitting at my computer all day. So in the afternoon when my phone hits 10%, I just plug it in to the cord right in front of me and carry on as normal. It would really be no different to just switch out the battery. I suppose if I had a job where I was constantly going places the spare battery would be helpful, but I'm constantly fully charged because I'm not really leaving my computer.
kushxmaster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:28:20 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I never said iPhone. Never even said you didn't have a phone that had the option. Just said I assumed you never had a second battery.
If you feel it's better to constantly be plugged in or have to remember to plug it in that's fine. I'll keep flipping my batteries every two days and not be tied to a wall ever.
myownman ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:28:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
S6edge owning office drone here.
Beautiful phone. Extremely long list of features. Eats batteries like nobody's business.
I would kill for a battery swap option instead of this zerolemon battery case. Being tethered to my desk because of a dead battery sucks ass.
VulturE ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:03:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And they had to stick with USB 2 because they really wanted you to buy their old VR headset that they've already replaced!
YM_Industries ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:22:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I also have an S6 edge, my phone's battery has no issues lasting a 14 hour day.
kushxmaster ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:56:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The biggest drain for cell phones is poor cell signal. Chances are they are in an area with worse signal or more interference.
YM_Industries ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:11:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting, I didn't know that. I have good reception most of the time so that could be it.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:03:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, my g3 lasts pretty well over a day of moderate-heavy use. It's still awesome to swap in a fresh battery after a year when it starts to lose capacity. Also, given the 1440 screen, decent ram and snap 801, I haven't found a reason to move on to anything else.
ShillinTheVillain ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:51:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
G4 owner here. The battery is fine for calling and texting, but if you do any gaming or anything screen intensive, your battery goes flat in a hurry.
AerThreepwood ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:09:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My LG V10 absolutely nukes batteries. I would buy the 6000 mAH battery but it doesn't fit into my OtterBox.
Grim-Sleeper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:35:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm amazed how long my N6P battery lasts with Android Nougat. I use my phone quite a bit, and it rarely dips below 30% at the end of the day. And if I drove my car at any time during the day, it'll be closer to 80%. There is a charging dock in the car, and fast charge is pretty impressive
AlphakirA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:55:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The battery is miniscule and doesn't require you to bring a cord around. Plus instant 100%. Why would you not buy an extra battery if your phone allows it?
ColossalJuggernaut ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:32:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh man, if I had a dollar for every time someone with an iPhone was frantically running around asking for a charging cable at an industry conference...
B0NERSTORM ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:42:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
walking around like a homeless person with a frayed lightning cable in their hand. "hey bro anyone got an outlet?"
JohnPaulRivera ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:27:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm thinking about getting this phone in the very near future. What's your opinion on it in general?
PunjabiPlaya ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:48:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Check out /r/lgg4 but be warned, there was a manufacturing defect causing boot loops so that sub is inundated with posts about that.
My quick review: I came from a galaxy s4 that I loved because it was rooted and heavily customized.
I love the g4 camera. Manual mode and raw pictures are awesome.
The size is ok. The leather curved back feels pretty nice in my hands. The build quality is pretty good. The LG launcher is pretty lightweight, I actually like it above others that I've used (HTC and Samsung). The weirdest thing to get used are the volume buttons and power button (they are under the rear camera). But once you get used to it, your index finger sits there naturally.
Cons: battery life is poor. No root and probably won't ever get root.
Pros: camera, expandable storage, removable battery, headphone jack
LagT_T ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:46:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can root the international version.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:24:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hello, Australian here, I've rooted mine and it still works fine.
Also you can also get root access but I haven't tried that.
MiguelGustaBama ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:34:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What about the insanely low headphone volume? I'm on my 3rd because of the bootloop. This is the worst phone I've ever owned
8lbIceBag ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:39:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
My Verizon LG G4 is rooted and I have xposed? The only thing I can't do is unlock the bootloader.
I also came from the S4, here's my mini-review:
The phone is running Android 5.1 @ security path level 2015-11-01. There's a few updates available but I'm not sure what that would do to the rooting abilities. I can't think of a single thing to be gained by upgrading. Every new feature that google has released I've been doing with root and exposed for years.
LagT_T ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:46:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Newer revisions don't have the bootloop problem.
UnknownKings ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:06:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There are plenty that were made this year and even last month that bootlooped. I would stay away from LG in general, but that might change in a few months after the V20 gets released.
Durandal-1707 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:29:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Forgot about that! Been so long since I had a phone with removable batteries, my HTC did not.
ThatOnePerson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:32:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
LG G4 + the wireless charger addon has been my dream phone right now.
I did have to charge mine directly once when I was stuck at the airport for 12 hours.
BigDavey88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:41:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Love my G4... though I only have one pretty shot battery, mostly out of laziness to buy another. I see no reason to replace going on two years now. Works like the day I got it.
Except for that whole boot loop thing... but I pretend it never happened!!!
MiguelGustaBama ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:32:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm on my 3rd G4 because of the bootloop....this is the worst phone I've ever owned. The camera is shit, the battery is shit, headphone volume is insanely low and you have to replace it every 4 months because it gets stuck in a boot loop. LG should replace these pieces of shit for us.
BigDavey88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:03:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oof, that sucks. They replaced mine for free.
Don't understand the camera remark though. I specifically got the phone for it's camera, it's great.
MiguelGustaBama ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:45:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They replaced the second one for free. The first one was before they acknowledged the manufacturing defect. I have an S6 as a work phone and the picture quality is way better. The auto-adjust feature for the G4 is awful. Everything is dim and it captures every bit of glare if it's present.
ohSpite ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:43:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Really annoyed Samsung have removed this, my old S2 and S4 had this and the S6 I got this year doesn't have a removable battery :(
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:24:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you charge while driving?
munche ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:53:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In the era of external battery packs (which work for your phone, your buddy's phone, and your next phone) the idea of carrying around pre-charged batteries (and how do you charge them?) seems a bit silly.
I can see the argument for things like removable SD cards. I can't see why anyone would rather carry around a battery that they charged in some sort of expensive proprietary cradle vs. a cheap Anker battery pack that will charge their phone 4x over
Imissmyusername ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:55:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hate being tied to the wall. Plus my phone is the remote to all the tvs, dvd players, and roku stick so if the battery is dead then it's a pain in the ass. I have 3 batteries too but one is the original and I've just stopped using it. The 2nd battery is always 100% by the time my phone gets low anyway. I'm starting to suspect the charger port is going out on my phone anyway.
shredderrrrrr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is it really that different than just having a USB plugged into your computer at work and computer at home (or by your bed)?
vibrate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:04:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My Nexus 6 charges from 0 to 100% in about an hour.
It charges to 70% in about 15 minutes.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:30:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have the Xperia 3, it lasts well over a day on a full charge, with moderate use I get two full days out of it. Plus it has two good speakers and is waterproof to 5m for 30 minutes, and it meshes well with my PS4 and Sony TV.
ghuldorgrey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:49:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
agree. updated my phone to 256gb with a sd card and bought another battery. Love it.
toconn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:10:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
this is one of those conveniences that's a small plus some of the time, but every now and then it's a HUGE plus - like when you're spending all day traveling and sitting in airports or you're waiting a stupidly long time at the DMV
Oggel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:11:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But if you swap the batteries you lose the 24/7 connection to the world. What if you miss an important email when you're changing battery?
bendvis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:55:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why don't phones have a small, non-removable battery that'll keep the thing alive for 2 minutes during a battery swap?
bakamusasabi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:01:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is the exact reason I still have my Galaxy Note 4. In an act of epic stupidity, they did away with removable batteries. Until they bring them back, I'm not upgrading.
kenlubin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:49:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or you could do it the Dave Morin way on his iPhone:
shit_lord ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:14:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Got a v10. I keep a power brick in one pocket and my phone in the other with a usb cable going across and under my shirt. It's probably stupider than just buying another battery.
Elbradamontes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:38:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That seems a bit unnecessary. My droid turbo lasts a day and a half at least and charges in what seems like an hour but I don't know cause it charges so fast I don't think about it.
FrankManic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:39:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus fuck I could actually strangle a hardware engineer over that. Batteries crap out all the goddamn time and now you can't do any fucking repairs on anything because Apple made it cool! FUCK!
eyemadeanaccount ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:57:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have an Android without swappable battery. But I go from 5-10% to 50% in about 15 minutes and be good for another 8 hours of use. Full 100% in less than a hour and am good for all day. I don't even miss my swappable batteries. And that is only QC2.0. QC3.0 is even quicker.
redhousebythebog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:44:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Been waiting over a month for a bootloop repair. Hope you have a back up phone!
jahoney ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:46:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If your device was efficient enough you wouldn't have to worry about it so much -___-
My 6+ lasts an entire day of very heavy usage. If I'm busy doing other stuff I regularly only have to charge it every other day. And my phone is about a year and a half old and battery is still going strong. My androids always had issues with batteries after a year or so and would die very quickly.
1N54N3M0D3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:11:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
looks at samsung
avtechguy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:43:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just be cautious with carrying around so many lithium batteries, they do explode if damaged.
romkyns ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:08:02 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I do this a lot when travelling, when I use my phone extensively for the whole day. My only wish is that the phone could last 10 seconds on some sort of an internal capacitor, so that I could swap out the battery without rebooting it.
spader1 ยท 149 points ยท Posted at 01:17:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget the standardized charging connector.
gellis12 ยท 98 points ยท Posted at 01:56:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, good old mini-USB. Wait, no, Micro USB. Fuck, or was it micro USB 3.1 with that extra thing on the side? Shit, no, it's USB-C for sure this time.
[deleted] ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 02:09:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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dai_panfeng ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:07:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Even Chinese knock-offs have USB-C
gellis12 ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 02:13:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
After proprietary connectors died off on android phones, they mostly switched to mini-USB. A lot of the knock-offs that you mentioned still use mini-usb, and most 5+ year old flagship android phones are also mini-usb.
If you have a micro 3.1 cable, you won't be able to plug it into a phone with a normal micro-usb port because of that extra thing on the side.
edit: spelling
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:22:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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hunterkll ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:51:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
HTC G1? ;)
gellis12 ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 02:38:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.google.ca/search?q=%22miniUSB%22+site:gsmarena.com
Phones with mini usb were definitely a thing.
TheRealCJ ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:55:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The key word being were. Phones with brand-specific chargers and data ports were a thing too.
gellis12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:40:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You must have missed the "5+ year old" part of my other comment then.
pinky218 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:10:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't know if I would say most flagships. Mini-usb got dumped in favor of micro-usb very early in Android's existince.
gellis12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:36:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
True, but it was still used.
[deleted] ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 02:16:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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hexane360 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 05:59:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't you mean lightning? Thunderbolt is completely different.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 08:05:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Does it matter? Either way, they're very, very frighting.
gellis12 ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 02:23:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Considering the fact that there are still a lot of android phones that use mini-usb, I'd say you're dead wrong about everyone switching.
You're thinking Thunderbolt 3, not USB-C. Thunderbolt is a lot more heavy duty than USB, and it requires an intel CPU. You won't be seeing it on a phone any time soon.
You mean Lightning, but I get it. Although the example is a pretty stupid one tbh. If you're using an android phone with micro-usb and your friends only have usb-c or mini-usb or 30 pin, you're just as fucked as an iPhone user who needs a Lightning cable would be.
SensualSternum ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:02:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Name 5 modern flagship Android phones that use mini USB.
poor_decisions ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:05:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The last mini-USB Android device I used was my G1....
SensualSternum ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:19:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol yup. This guy keeps parroting false information
gellis12 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 04:44:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, you're trying to put words in my mouth. When did I ever say that modern phones do it? I said that there are still a lot of them. Most people don't through their phones out on a yearly basis. Hell, my grandparents still have motorola flip phones from the mid 2000s.
SensualSternum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:09:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No one I know who isn't poor or old has a phone that old. That's like saying "there are still some computers that only run Windows 95!", which is technically true, but doesn't represent market share at all.
CeReAL_K1LLeR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:34:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's literally the 1st Android phone... not modern.
poor_decisions ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:48:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, that was my point, lol. I haven't seen a single modern device with mini-USB.
CeReAL_K1LLeR ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:51:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hah, my bad. Thought you were the other dude for a second.
gellis12 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:41:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So phones just cease to exist when they're a year old?
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:28:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Captain_Alaska ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:05:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ThunderBolt 3 and USB-C use the same port but that's as far as it goes, USB-C doesn't have any 'thunderbolt-esque capability'.
ThunderBolt 2 simply used a mini-DispalyPort plug but that doesn't mean mDP supported anything remotely like what a Thunderbolt port would do.
Aidyyyy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:48:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apple's proprietary connector is Lightning. I know, confusing.
gellis12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:52:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
USB-C does not have "thunderbolt-esque" capability... It's USB, and it can cram up to 5 gbps down the cable. Thunderbolt uses the USB-C connector, and it extends the PCIe bus over the cable, and it requires special hardware in the computer to work. You can plug USB devices into a Thunderbolt port and they'll work just fine as USB devices, but you cannot plug thunderbolt devices into a standard USB-C port and have them work.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:09:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know of a single android out of any of my family or friends' phones that use mini usb
BLOODY_ANAL_VOMIT ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:06:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I got a dash cam that used a mini usb. I was shocked. But then again, it's a cheap Chinese camera.
bonadzz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:31:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My fairly newish gopro uses mini usb. I was confused as fuck when I saw it.
watchtheinternet ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 02:19:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The design has iterated. Whats your point?
gellis12 ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 02:41:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People got ridiculously pissed when Apple switched from the 30 pin connector to the Lightning connector, but android phones do the exact same thing every few years and everyone just accepts it. Hell, a lot of people even get excited about it.
Point is, calling it standardized is a bit of a stretch, given that they'll switch to a different and incompatible version of the standard a few years down the line, and also considering the fact that your phone might be micro usb while your friends is USB-C.
FowD9 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 02:47:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
see... that's the thing... it's not "android" that does it every few years.... it's the UNIVERSAL STANDARD that does it and it's only been twice in the past 20 years (mini usb was the standard in '96). almost all of my devices went from Mini to Micro when that standard came out, not just my phone. Now a lot of my devices are using USB-C, not just my phone. and why the changes? performance. meanwhlie iphones have a new adapter every year with no actual bonus to them, just to make you buy a new one
pedantism ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:46:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except lightning has been around for like five years. You're just making shit up.
FowD9 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:53:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
great, now use that to charge your wireless headphones... oh wait... use it to charge your portable battery... oh wait... use that to charge your xb1/ps4 controller... oh wait you can't do that either... hmm, i'm having trouble here... oh I know you can charge your digital camera! nvm, not that either....
I guess your only option is to only ever buy apple products and hope they make every type of device for their proprietary connectors
literally the only reason they don't move to Micro-USB, now USB-C standard, is because they want idiots like you pulling out your wallet for their proprietary shit, even going as far as defending their saddy practices
pedantism ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 04:02:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You sure are angry about something that doesn't affect you. It's ok to just think "well I don't like that. Guess I won't buy it," but for some reason you feel like you have to go shout at people on the internet about how right you are about everything.
FowD9 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:36:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
no, i'm calling out apple for their shitty business practices. not my fault your fanboyism is blinding you to that
gellis12 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 04:47:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
> Goes on a rant about how evil a cable is
> complains about fanboys
LazyProspector ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:50:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lightning is 4 years old. But anyway, lightning was only unveiled at the same time as the iPhone. With USB Type C the specification was finalised in 2014 allowing a year for manufacturers to implement it.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:36:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Universal standard my nuts dude. I'm sitting here with a top of the line Samsung S7 Edge with a micro usb port on it. Nearly a thousand dollar phone and it doesn't even have the newest, best standard.
Why? All because Samsung wanted to ensure compatibility with its shitty fucking vr headset that nobody wants. Then, months later they release a new version of their dog shit vr headset...with a fucking USB-C connection! WTF!
All of these companies make idiotic decisions. Stop tying your self worth to corporations, it's ok to call companies out when they fuck up.
FowD9 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:41:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
it's almost as if... get this... that we're moving into transitioning to USB-C currently... meaning... get this... that not all devices have moved over yet!
amazing how that works, right?
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:58:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So Samsung sells me a phone with an outdated port (Android OEM's were using USB C before the S7 edge came out) so that they can try to sell me a back alley vr headset, then release the exact same headset with the port they should have included in the phone seemingly as a slap in the face to everyone who bought the phone and that's just the way it works right?
Apple makes a crazy ass decision but at least has the decency to include a compatible headset and dongle in the box, and they're literally satan?
Do the Android OEM's pay you to brag about their dick sizes on the internet?
hexane360 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:09:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So just because other phones have been released with USB-C (Android is still experimental with USB-C BTW, and TouchWiz can't handle it yet), Samsung must be ripping you off by not including the very cutting edge? And you've somehow connected this to the VR headset. Its easier to integrate a different port into a small embedded device than into a complicated phone with a custom OS on top of an experimental OS.
And meanwhile, Apples decision is somehow better, or even on par? Apple removed a universal standard from their device with no perfect alternatives in its place. Samsung continued to support a universal standard instead of jumping to a very new, not widely used standard.
If you wanted USB-C, why didn't you buy a phone that had it?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:55:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol, that makes no sense. Touchwiz can't handle it? Is that why the Note 7 doesn't have USB-C? Oh...wait.
Samsung themselves stated that the reason for sticking with micro USB was to ensure compatibility with their dogshit 6 month old (at the time) vr headset. What they didn't say is that they were going to release the same dogshit headset with USB-C months later. They handicapped their new flagship device to ensure compatibility with a headset that was destined to be outdated months later.
Except they just released the Note 7 with USB-C. So which is it? Also, they include a micro-USB to USB-C adapter in the box. Sound familiar?
You could say the same thing for Apple. If people want a headphone jack, they can still buy a phone with it. Fuck, they can still buy phones in Apple's own line with the jack. Apple did not declare that no phones from now till the end of time can have a headphone jack.
I'm not in anyway saying Apple's decision makes sense, I'm just pointing out that it's sad that people invest so much of their identities into corporations, and their little dicks get so hard when they think the "other side" has fucked up. They all fuck up, all the time.
gellis12 ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 02:55:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And all of you just bend over and accept that.
You're dead wrong on that one. The last and so far the only time that the iPhone switched connectors was when it went from the 30 pin connector to Lightning.
FowD9 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:16:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yes, because the universal standard isn't proprietary and there's been legitimate reasons for upgrading
and no i'm not dead wrong, i'm just not blinded by fanboyism. every time they switch their connectors its been for no other reason than to force you to buy new connectors. they've been doing it for ages beyond just the iphone
gellis12 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:55:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wanna give a source for all of these connector changes you're talking about?
kab0b87 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:12:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
On the plus side micro USB 3.1 could still use the old style plugins just not for fast data transfer
gellis12 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:14:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The cables aren't backwards compatible though. That extra bit on the side won't fit into a phone with normal micro-usb.
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gellis12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:53:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not all of the phones are.
Ariacilon ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:57:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, if I had to pick between the cable or the port, I have tons of old cables laying around. Use old cables on new phone, or new cables with old phone? What makes more sense?
gellis12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:59:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Samsung's very latest phone uses micro-usb V2.0
Havoksixteen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:01:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was so surprised when my classmates phone had SS micro USB port on her phone instead of just micro usb. Went to lend her my cable as her phone died in class and it shocked me, never seen one of them outside of external hard drives.
unappreciateduser ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:12:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
you do know that there is an adapter for all of that?
gheez! -_-
blairco ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:49:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'll take two years of missteps over decades!
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 01:42:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think the lighting connector is one of the best things about going to an iphone to be honest.
ScottieWP ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 01:51:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I imagine most Androids will migrate to USB-C in the near future, same thing the MacBook uses now.
[deleted] ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 01:53:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know, but still, the lighting connector has been awesome. USB-C sounds cool, but USB cables have also been historically crap.
Bemo98 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:59:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What the fuck are u saying?
UncleTedGenneric ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:13:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In fairness, I've never had a non-usb cable require a second flip to to connect properly.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:55:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you're still requiring a second flip to connect a USB cable properly, you're a fucking idiot. The connectors are marked so that you can always line them up correctly the first time.
BilllisCool ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:18:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not every port is facing the same direction.
Steamships ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:13:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
u fukkin wot m8?
AHostileHippo ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:53:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The 7 isn't using a usb type C??! Really? Cause usb type C has all the benefits of the lightning connector and the standardization and speed of usb behind. Plus Apple already uses it in in their macbooks. I'm kinda shocked they still went with a lightning connector.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:01:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure it's still lightning. I mean, it's USB on one end, but why change it now? It works great.
AHostileHippo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:13:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
USB type C has MUCH faster data transfer speeds. Also, I was really hoping that with Apple putting the type C connector on the mackbook, they would also put it on their phones, and finally adopt the standard that all other phone companies are adopting.
nathris ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:45:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget charging speeds. With the tiny batteries Apple puts in their phones you could charge them 0-80% in 15 minutes with a good type C charger. Then there's bidirectional power delivery, so you could use your iPad to charge your phone or lend some of your power to a friend at the end of a long day.
Then there's alternate mode. Accessory manufacturers would have a field day making peripherals that could work across iOS and Android.
Of course then Apple wouldn't be able to extort licensing fees through the use of hardware DRM in the cables, and they aren't having any of that.
here2be2see2thee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:00:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
With non-expandable memory and music services like Spotify.. WTF, other than photos (Dropbox), are people transferring over cables. No one gives a fuck about that. And, the small percentage that do, aren't a large enough segment. That being said, I use Samsung with aftermarket battery and expanded memory.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:17:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would prefer just to keep the lightning. I don't really need any faster speeds right now for the phone, though I would guess if they end up making a type C on one end, the lighting cable is supposed to be good enough to carry a lot more data. I am more concerned how the cables hold up. USB is fine if you're not using it daily, but the cables tend to be crap and the fitting is like an after thought.
gellis12 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:18:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except they're not all adopting the same thing. Loads of android phones still use micro or even mini usb. It's pretty pointless if you still need an adapter to use your friends charger.
efects ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:35:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
no idea where you're getting your information from, but this is completely false. the entire world standard for charging mobile phones has been micro-usb for a few years now. in fact, outside of america, iphone's are packaged with a micro-usb adapter because it's law in some places (i believe). also, mini-usb hasn't been used since the early android phones before 2010
gellis12 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 02:49:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The latest blackberry is micro-USB
The very latest Samsung is micro-USB
The more famous new Samsung uses USB-C
Hell, there's even mixed connectors coming from a single manufacturer!
efects ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:54:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i was responding to the fact that you said
there are no current android phones in the last 6 years that have used mini-usb. you proved my point though, micro-usb has been the worldwide standard for years. we are just now moving to USB-C
gellis12 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:00:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except the strength. I can comfortably lift my phone horizontally by the lightning cable. If you tried that with a USB-C cable, it'd break.
The Lightning connector is a solid block of aluminium that slots into another solid block of aluminium. USB is bent sheet metal with a plastic tab in the middle.
DD_Beauty ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:07:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just lifted my phone horizontally by its USB-C cord, did not break.
gellis12 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:14:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And you'd feel comfortable doing that on a daily basis?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:53:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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gellis12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:10:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My phone dock holds it up by just the lightning connector
BernankesBeard ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:04:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And you do this often?
gellis12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well the dock it sits in only holds it up by the lightning connector, so kinda.
LegoBatmanAllDay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, actually USB C is very durable, I can also hold the phone horizontally with it with no bending. The rounded edges and thicker sheet of metal used make it less likely to deform
This video explains the benefits of USB C quite well https://youtu.be/0-J0FWWDuRg
gellis12 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:10:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm still not a fan of the plastic tab in the middle of the port on the phone though. Makes it pretty much impossible to clean off the terminals if you ever need to.
Trinket90 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're absolutely right. I switched from an HTC One (M8) to a 6S, and I still use many other devices that charge with a micro USB (tablets and back up phones and the like). I go through micro USB cables like water. Didn't matter if I got high quality or cheapies, they all got wiggly and terrible so quickly. I've been using one lightning cable for a year without issues. That alone makes me really not want to switch to Android.
Supposedly type C is more stable but I still kind of doubt it will hold up as well.
Korbitr ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:46:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What are you doing with the cables to make them fall apart so quickly? I still have micro USB cables from 5 years ago...
Trinket90 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:54:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Using the device while charging? I don't know. All I know is that my OEM HTC cables crapped out within a couple months, Amazon Basics cables lasted less than that, other expensive/official cables didn't fare any better, and the super cheap, crappy cables actually lasted almost as long.
Korbitr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:13:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you really rough with the cables or something? I use the stock Xiaomi micro USB cable at home and an AmazonBasics one in the car and neither one shows any sign of damage...
Trinket90 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:58:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have no idea. All I know is that the micro USBs wore out really fast under the same use as the lightning cables.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:14:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, this is my experience and the fitting on USB cables has always just been awful. The lighting connector has a nice snug fit that lasts years. If you're using a USB connector daily, it just falls apart.
pooch321 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:25:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've had my Nexus 6P since March and the port and charger are perfectly fine. Hasn't gotten any looser and the thick wire doesn't seem like it'll break anytime soon
grigby ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:36:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Different experience over here. Had an iPhone 5, the first with lightning. I owned four cables, each lasting about a year before the wire (Which had been exposed from wear after around 8 months) would stop working entirely. They all fell apart just below the cable head. And these were cables from the apple store.
Switched to an s7 in March, still same micro USB cable with no damage on it yet whatsoever. This might change once I get closer to the year mark, but even in my other devices I've never had a usb cable (of any type) break.
vibrate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nope - the flagship Google phone uses USB C.
ScaredScorpion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:23:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is because they're shifting Android to USB-C. Give it a few years and all new Android phones will be USB-C
Holdat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:52:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
iPhones has this as well as everybody I know has an iPhone and has one handy most the time
Imissmyusername ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:02:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My kid knocked the tv off his dresser once and it just broke the charger in the back of the roku stick. I didn't notice until bed time so I used my phone charger.
[deleted] ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 01:23:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One word: OLED.
It's so much more beautiful I cannot fathom how apple isn't at the forefront.
B0NERSTORM ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 01:44:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They need to come up with a cool marketing term for it so they can trick their users into thinking it's something new. "Biolite Display Technology!"
LtCdrDataSpock ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:58:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
iOLED
Vortex112 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:04:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well Samsung has SAMOLED so yeah
Captain_Alaska ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:37:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hate to break the circlejerk but Apple calls their OLED displays a 'OLED Retina display'.
B0NERSTORM ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:27:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You realize the Retina part of it is exactly what I'm describing right?
Captain_Alaska ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:49:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
How is that any different from a 'Quad HD Super AMOLED' found on a Galaxy S7?
Besides, Apple calls every single one of their screens 'Retina' anyway, the only name difference between their normal screens and OLED screens is it's 'Retina Display' vs 'OLED Retina Display', they haven't "come up with a cool marketing term to trick users" considering it came around in bloody 2010.
B0NERSTORM ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:55:05 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The fact that you can't tell the difference is a perfect illustration of what I'm talking about. Quad HD amoled is the name of the technology by the people that make the screen. Retina display is a name apple put on a resolution. It's like the difference between stereo sound vs apple dumping "iSoundz" on a certain range of volume.
Captain_Alaska ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:57:46 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Deliberately leaving out the 'super' part to further your argument.
Noice
B0NERSTORM ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:01:56 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol, so Super is the equivalent of naming a resolution range? It's still the name of an actual product vs dumping a name on a resolution so Apple users think they're paying that much extra for something. I'm not under the impression that Apple is the only one that does it, they just the most brazen about it and their users suck it up the most readily. No one was going around asking for "super" screens.
It's like Apple's magical lcd display. You could buy the same monitor from dell for significantly cheaper. I'm talking same screen from the same manufacturer with the same components, just one had dell on it the other had apple. Guess which one tech reviewers jerked off over? It was entertaining watching them twist in the wind trying to explain why there were such different reviews for the same product. Similar to when someone actually tested the sound quality of the ipod and found it to be terrible.
It's the king's new wardrobe of the tech world and it's always hilarious. "Sell them the box" Steve Jobs said, and he was right. It doesn't matter what's actually in it or how it works, you sell that it will make you feel cool. What are you doing here defending apple anyways, shouldn't you be in line for the next Iphone? Your iWatch is looking a little warn down there too buddy. Time to get a new watch and new $100 watch band while you're at it. You're helpless to resist.
Captain_Alaska ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:38:51 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
And the fact that when the first Retina display came out, it was considerably sharper than the next best phone (326PPI vs the HTC Evo 4G's 217PPI) and it wasn't until 2012 before most phones had caught up to the Retina Displays.
Totally ignoring the fact that 'Retina' is the brand name for a screen that uses HiDPI scaling, which, while it requires a higher resolution screen, also requires software support. Otherwise the MacBook Air would have a 'Retina' display as it has a larger resolution than the iPhone OG/3G/3GS, which it doesn't.
If you've ever use a rMBP on the standard settings (2560x1600 scaled to 1280x800p) vs a Zenbook UX305's 1800p screen, you'll find the all the text on the Zenbook's screen and all the UI elements much harder to read as the text is tiny. Windows 10 sorta solves the issue but Windows scaling is currently shotty at best and not much supports it.
For example, some screenshots from my uni MacBook;
You'll need a montior that supports 2560x1600 or above, but if you do, when you blow those images up to fit the screen, the one with the 'retina' HiDPI scaling is exactly like the 1280x800 screen but much sharper.
Same logic applies to the iPhone screen, as the iPhone 4's display was exactly twice the width and height of the iPhone 3GS with the same scaling applied to it.
Not entirely sure what you're trying to say, the Dell UltraSharp 27 Ultra HD 5K Monitor with PremierColor - UP2715K (Actual name) is actually $200 more expensive than a 5K iMac and it's just a monitor, while the iMac is a computer.
While it would be cool owning a phone that has a processor that shits over literally every mobile device, I'm on a two year contract.
Not really, it's holding up fine, I only replaced my Pebble with it 3 months ago.
My $7 Chinese knockoff is in the mail as we speak.
Oh, and reference to your last comment, Apple's stereo speakers are advertised as 'Built-in stereo speaker'; shoutout to the HTC BoomSound.
kingrootintootin2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:35:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
no, they won't use it because it starts with an O
if it were iLED they'd be all over it
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:52:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:09:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's fine at 1440p imo.
gormster ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:35:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One word: failure.
The Apple Watch uses OLED, and it also has the highest failure rate of any screen that Apple makes. Apple's current policy is one dead pixel means a screen replacement, and since iPhone users are far more likely to get their phone repaired than Android users (because it's so much easier), that would mean a LOT of screen replacements.
OLED screens fail a lot faster, and for systems that use a lot of light elements (like iOS) they fail faster still. It's a decent fit for the watch because most of the screen is black most of the time. For iPhone and iPad, most of the screen is white most of the time, so it's a bad fit.
RaginReaganomics ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:02:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, a legit answer from a product lifecycle perspective. Last thing I would've expected in this thread.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mmmmmm oled
NW_thoughtful ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:43:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is funny. As an Android user I was confused as to what was so special about this gif. I was like, "It's a headphone jack, what?"
Durandal-1707 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:56:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Take it you have seen the new iPhone news then, yeah?
NW_thoughtful ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:15:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hadn't when I wrote that. I was on a very quick break from working, which has been quite busy. I've seen it now though, so I'm In The Looptm!
Durandal-1707 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:32:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hurray!
Don't worry, the loop will move again :/
NW_thoughtful ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:14:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ha! Indeed it will.
TheHeroicOnion ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:07:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just don't get an iPhone, easy.
Durandal-1707 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When your phone is a few years old and you're offered an amazing deal on a near new phone things are a little different.
RaginReaganomics ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:13:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That kind of sounds like a you problem
Borjeustransform ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 01:17:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
You shush your god damn dirty mouth! You've chosen to ascend to a godsent phone!; deal. With high efficiency curves and quantified aesthetics mother fucker. You don't even know! We know.. You dont need pleb clutter, non of that so called "specs". We continue to maximize our simplification of the simple and we simpalize THAT and minimize it. Treat it gently because its a fucking work of art and if you break it fuck your mother... Its 2016 fuck em all! -Apple
Coogah33 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:12:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is this Apple Marketing speaking to me?
Borjeustransform ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:11:21 on September 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not unless you already have an iphone product, you little piece of shit.
Mad_Man_Mordo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:40:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Since when did Rick Sanchez work for Apple?
[deleted] ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 01:14:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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Mr_Miggie ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:42:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously. The 10 is amazing. I feel bad for HTC sometimes, like they always fade to the background.
ArsenixShirogon ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:11:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Part of that is how little they advertise
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:57:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How are the speakers on the 10? That's one of the things I really like about my One M8, its audio is fantastic.
Mr_Miggie ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:05:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Speakers are a step down from the previous versions mainly because they put the other speaker at the bottom of the phone, still loud just not AS loud as its predecessors.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:36:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bummer. I guess maybe I'd be willing to trade that for the rest of the phone being better, but it is really nice to have the front-facing speakers.
TheSleepiestWarrior ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:27:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had to call 3 tmobiles on the HTC 10 release day to find one that had any in Stock. None of them seemed to know it existed. Not even the one that had it.
They got shipped like, 3 of them.
ASCIIpotatos ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:52:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Protip: Its cheaper to buy unlocked from HTC in the long run than buying from T mobile.
menio ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:37:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I got my HTC 10 from T-Mobile, it's amazing. I didn't know they stopped carrying it.
Jaehon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:25:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Whining about $600? Still $1000 in Canada from HTC.
Edit: Spelling. And you are right. I shouldn't complain. Could be worse.
RoofShoppingCartGuy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:38:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just as expensive as about every other telecom product or service.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:38:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can't gloat about healthcare and whine about high prices, it doesn't work like that.
Durandal-1707 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:25:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ugh, that's a bummer.
Thomjones ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:55:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At least you'll actually OWN your phone immediately. Fuck those deals.
smokemarajuana ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:59:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And pixel density that isn't 5 years behind the times. 720p can suck a butt.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:51:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Durandal-1707 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:58:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I still cannot believe that is all we can use NFC for. It can do so much more!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:03:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Durandal-1707 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:07:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So Much!
YoshiYogurt ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:53:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think you just mean samsung owners. Plenty of androids including the nexus have almost none of that
Durandal-1707 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:57:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The nexus 7 has it, no?
quirk223 ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 23:31:03 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
While some of the features you mentioned are available in newer iPhones, what I have come to realize is that Apple is about 2 years behind in the smartphone market. So just be patient!
Peter_Panarchy ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 00:30:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eh? None of those are available on the new iPhone.
alienpirate5 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:58:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
NFC
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 01:30:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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OhWhatsHisName ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:38:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But it's limited to Apple pay. I use NFC to pair accessories, or when sharing stuff between my wife and my phone. I'm sure there are other uses as well (I know of like tiles you can get and set places like in your car, front door, desk at work, and when you scan over it, it changes settings on your phone).
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:39:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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lapotronic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:47:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
doesn't airdrop require wifi? at least i think it did back when i had my iphone 5.
as long as NFC is turned on for the receiving device, you can just boop your phones together and share something. doesn't require bluetooth or any internet connectivity.
Captain_Alaska ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:11:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
AirDop uses both BlueTooth (to establish a connection) and WiFi (to send the files) but doesn't require you to be connected to a WiFi network (It sends stuff using Apple's version of WiFi Direct) if that's what you're wondering.
lapotronic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:22:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Huh, ok. Thanks.
Durandal-1707 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 23:40:16 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're not wrong. I had an older HTC and function/customization was so much easier and had more options. I wouldn't have switched if I had not gotten a very good deal on a brand new phone.
pandacorn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:36:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They've always been 2 years behind. But, Steve Jobs was great at marketing.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:27:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except that none of them are. That's why he listed them.
vibrate ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:04:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My HTC was shit. The Nexus 6 is a far better device, HTC have their shitty proprietary 'Sense' OS layer which is just awful and buggy.
Apple win with the OS layer - iOS is MUCH faster than a similarly specced Android device and the API is much more powerful and flexible. This is just a fact.
Source: worked in a dev team for iOS and Android.
Durandal-1707 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:09:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The speed surprised the hell out of me. Comparing specs I was expecting a much slower phone but that was not the case.
Also, just get ride of sense! I think you can do that, right?
vibrate ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:20:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You have to root and install a ROM which invariably stops being updated as soon as a new HTC phone is released. My ROM crashed a lot, some features didnt work, and eventually it started to overheat :(
I was so glad to get rid of that phone and go pure Android with my Nexus.
I'd move back to iOS happily - both are great OS's and I have zero interest in rooting my phone as I don't see any benefits if you don't want to install a different ROM.
MarzMan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:41:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You forgot replaceable batteries, expanded battery packs
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:05:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I never understood why Iphone users like being on such a restricted platform.
Durandal-1707 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:35:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Stability and support, mostly.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:31:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That HTC 10 looks amazing. If HTC doesn't release anything by the time I upgrade, goodbye my HTC One, hello to that sexy HTC 10.
married_to_awesome ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:36:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm typing this comment from my HTC 10. Tis a beautiful phone.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:48:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Typing this with my HTC One and I'm really jealous. Only a few more months till u can upgrade to that beast.
Durandal-1707 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:37:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Had two HTCs (m7 and m8?) and they were both great. Everything started to fall apart after that, though, and I have been skeptical since. The M9s looked ok, but nothing has been great enough to draw me back in.
I'm super cheap. Stupid, really, considering how much I use my phone.
Imissmyusername ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:06:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget the rf blaster. My phone is the universal remote for all the tvs and dvd players because of that rf blaster.
Durandal-1707 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:07:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yesssss. Its so bloody useful, I actually have an old android device as a remote.
Teillu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:09:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And radio.
dungdigger ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:41:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At least you get to download music to itunes for a buck a song.
Durandal-1707 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:51:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah I just download all my old Google stuff, including music.
mrtomjones ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:45:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wireless charging? How does that work?
Durandal-1707 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:50:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Per Wiki
mrtomjones ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:33:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:07:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just wondering, what all can you do with NFC?
Durandal-1707 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:42:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Its mostly tag related or information sharing related. I shared this link earlier.
toastiejoe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:10:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What htc did you have? I have the m9 and it's gotten to the point where it's just starting to shit itself. Maybe cause it's suffered a cutla drops but my friends have had problems too
Durandal-1707 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:40:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
M7 and M8. Both were great but felt like they died too soon, functionality wise. IDK why.
vanburensupernova ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:14:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
:)
Written from my HTC phone
spockspeare ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:18:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Still have mine. HTC One m8 that I bought 2.5 years ago. Still going strong. No plans to upgrade any time soon, unlike every previous smartphone I had. So confident of this that I bought two new cases for it (one Dot-View and one really nice leather one) recently (for $6 total, shipped free from Hong Kong, because a 2.5-year old phone has accessories that the accessory vendors really want to get rid of).
iPhone whaaaat?
Durandal-1707 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:40:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I still have mine as well but its a little laggy these days.... No idea why. Def not all the GBA roms I played on it or the custom changes or... well, maybe it is.
mycroft2000 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:30:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also, you don't need an engineering degree to swap out the fucking battery.
bovineblitz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:34:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Motorola says what up.
pandacorn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:35:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but your buttons are purtier.
Durandal-1707 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:38:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hear the new one is kinda shitty.
TheRealCJ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:50:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Australia right now is getting butthurt over banks refusing to play nice with Apple over Apple Pay. "Give us a choice!" They are screaming.
Meanwhile, I've been using tap to pay with the same bank for close to two years, built right into their official app, even gives me my exact balance in the tap to pay screen. Granted, I need to enter a 4 digit pin instead of just vaguely waving my phone in the right direction without thinking, but it adds what, five seconds to the equation?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:53:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If it helps I miss my battery cover on my s7
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:58:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In all honesty I used to hate Apple stuff, fucking love being able to customize my stuff. I switched over to Apple stuff when I started getting more devices. Laptops, desktops, tablets, phones, even fucking watches now, and pretty much the syncing globally requires typing in my email and password when I buy something new. Believe me I'm familiar with the abilities of Android and/or Windows devices, but no other single company has as much of a unified technological scheme as Apple, it's just a pain to have to deal with every company updating things separately and constantly breaking compatibility. I don't want to update my HTC watch using Android software so it no longer connects to my Microsoft phone using Windows software which no longer connects to my Linux machine running the Dell hardware's version.
I'll spend some more money to stick to one company and make that money back in the time I don't spend debugging.
Durandal-1707 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:37:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ugh, so true. There have been too many things I have had to pass up because of functionality issues either between platforms or on one.
OG jawbone comes to mind....
SMofJesus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:02:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The HTC 10 is awesome and is on-sale for $599 till the 15th. Unlocked and in some new colors. I'm going to get one near the holidays once I have money saved up.
Bachklamk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:09:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
EASY? I'll have to disagree with that part...
Durandal-1707 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:34:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Have you tried adding custom sounds to an iPhone? You have to jailbreak it to actually change all of them and doing it for free is annoying. My old HTC could handle all of it on phone.
Bachklamk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:02:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't really care about what my phone ringtone sounds like. I personally think Apple did a great job on how the phone sounds. Also, I'm using Windows Phone now. So, not really a fan boy...
Durandal-1707 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:54:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Understandable. I like having different tones for different people.
Ketchup901 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:40:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hehe... Fuck you Samsung
darkrae ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:01:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry if I missed it; but don't iPhones have NFC, too? Sorry, I don't keep up with today's phones (my personal phone is a 2012 phone).
Durandal-1707 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:30:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes but it only works for apple pay and such. They keep that shit locked down.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:33:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My phone has two of those things! I feel so advanced.
ofrance ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:26:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You forgot to mention getting a virus, no support for updates, and exploding batteries.
Durandal-1707 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:58:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe that's why my HTC started getting so slow...
Pyromaniacal13 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:55:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had an HTCone M8 until recently. I went to update to the M10 and noticed that they stopped with the front speakers. Now I have to use a Galaxy S7.
Durandal-1707 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:58:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The M8 was the last one I had as well. A buddy had the M9 and loved it but I wasn't so sure. HTC really needs to step their game up.
timelyparadox ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:43:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't wireless charging brick your battery quite a bit faster?
Durandal-1707 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:56:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure! Interesting point, if true.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:16:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
On paper android seems a lot better in terms of the features you listed, but I've switched over twice now in the past 3 years and both times I've had to switch back because the OS just goes to shit very quickly. I really wanna love android but I just can't because the software is so clunky
Durandal-1707 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:55:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel your pain. I'm not 100% satisfied with either, but oh well.
IshKebab ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:21:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
... bloatware, and slow to nonexistent software updates.
There are pros and cons to both.
ThatGuyFromVault111 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:55:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In Apple's defense, you can get a 256 gb phone, it has had NFC since 2015, wireless charging has caused many problems, including a recall, and some people don't care about being able to customize
HLef ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:26:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Windows Phone has all that but nobody ever mentions it.
JDtheProtector ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 01:38:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because we have no apps :(
Durandal-1707 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:41:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is the running joke yeah?
Poor windows phone. Never really tried them.
JDtheProtector ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:47:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not exactly a joke, as a windows phone user, I feel like I miss out on a lot because I can't use snapchat, I couldn't play pokemon go, etc. And even if an app is available, there's pretty much a 50% chance that it actually works correctly.
Durandal-1707 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:50:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Damn, I didn't realize how extensive the list was.
CheeseGratingDicks ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:49:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Windows makes phones?
HLef ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:53:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
HTC, Nokia, Samsung and various others make phones that run Windows.
I had two of them over the span of 3 years leading up to the launch of the iPhone 6 and it has a lot of good stuff going for it. Unfortunately, even though I'm not a heavy app user, the lack of developer support eventually got the best of me.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:54:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel the big difference between iOS and android, is you get a finished, polished, intuitive OS with Apple. Whereas android is just finished. For example, there is lag where there shouldn't be (such as searching contacts from memory - that short delay makes it painful for me to use).
Basically in everything you listed I see negatives. Expanded memory slots likely affect the sign of the phone and other components. Wireless charging, you still need to place it on a charger. Not worth it imo. Customisation, awesome if you're a really good designer with coding abilities, stupid if you're not. There are some pretty horrible looking themes out there.
I prefer an OS that is locked down like iOS.
I'm basing this on my experience of using a nexus 5 on lollipop for 12 months.
I can sense the down votes pouring in already haha.
Durandal-1707 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:46:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel you on a lot of that. I know some of the customization can be quite daunting, I'm not amazing at that stuff by any means. I just wish apple wouldn't do their best to lock that stuff away from us.
Also its really been pissing me off my custom ringtones randomly don't work until I restart my phone three times.... Especially when the few I bought seem to be the worst offenders.
m13b ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:44:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
God damn Apple fanboys. Think they're so special with their capable SoCs, software updates and fast storage!
I think phone envy hits both sides pretty equally ;_;
Durandal-1707 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:55:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They both could take lessons from the other. Except then I guess they would sue each other. Sighhhhh
g0atmeal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:51:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The sad thing is, all those features sound like you're describing Android. In truth, they should describe all phones/devices. It baffles me that Apple can continue to sell such under-powered and massively over-priced hardware and succeed.
Look on a store page or watch the reveal and they won't list hardly any specs. For the most part, people that buy Apple products don't tend to care about the device's resolution, chip, battery, OS, etc. They just accept the notion that apple products are somehow inherently better and use that for judgment. That $800 iPhone you just bought has poorer specs than the $500 competitor.
Durandal-1707 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:00:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That was my joke, I used to have an Android with all that and I sure wish my iPhone did. I would not have gotten one if I had not received an insane deal. Then again, I wish my HTC had been as stable as my iPhone has been.
Then again, I did fuck with my HTC a lot.
RaginReaganomics ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:09:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was with you until OS. People buy Apple products because of the OS. iOS has a reputation since the very first iPhone basically shat on the competition. It's also pretty user-friendly and basically perfect for vanilla users.
Also the average consumer doesn't care about the chip or resolution. And battery life is an afterthought since most smartphones are in the same general range and since mileage varies based on SO many factors, it's hardly a selling point.
In general things like expandable memory, NFC, etc sound good in theory but the layman doesn't use those things. Most people just want a shiny phone that works out of the box and "looks pretty." Apple has got that down to a science.
pinkpooj ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:06:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My favorite Android features are when they catch on fire or I get hacked and my identity is stolen because I no longer get software updates after 8 months.
skywalkerr69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:20:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Wireless charging"
By placing it on a pad lol
siegewolf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:27:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can take my battery out and swap it with an even bigger one.
twosummer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:27:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Will be great if they do an ad like this. That way they quietly try to forget about it when they inevitably end up copying this move.
mudkiporGTFO ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:39:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Implying NFC is useful
Durandal-1707 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:37:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It totally can be. When used appropriately.
DerNeander ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:43:05 on January 6, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey iphones have nfc too... they just can't use it for anything. But they have it!
ICEMAN13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:30:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've had, androids for years and honestly when it comes to the everyday functions of a smart phone iPhone beats Android. My droid freezes everyday for the smallest shit that never happens with iPhones. Droids are more customizable and should be better, but iOS is more stable and efficient.
vibrate ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:07:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
iOS is still way ahead of Android, especially for dev tools and API.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your "droid" eh? No. My last 4 Android devices froze 0% of the time. Meanwhile, my iPhone 6 had broken wifi out if the box. Guess that means all Apple devices are inferior right? No, of course it doesn't.
Durandal-1707 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:39:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's more or less what I ran into. Android made me feel more like an individual but my iPhone continues to work surprisingly long.
Maybe it's because I'm like 4 updates behind.
Amilehigh ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 00:53:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Go back. Plenty of us like our iPhones just fine.
Durandal-1707 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:32:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like my iPhone too, there is a lot to be said about some of the things Apple has done for uniting computers, phones, and tablets, as well as many other things. At the same time, there are a lot of things they do that makes sense from some perspectives and not others.
I like my iPhone, I liked my HTC. They both had strengths and weaknesses.
swizzy12 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 01:02:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But... Their circle jerk!
4609203 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:44:02 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can't fix what isn't broken
VulturE ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:59:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And it's sad that HTC was your best experience with Android.
Literally any other major Android phone maker makes a better, less locked down phone.
Durandal-1707 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why do you say that? I could do all sorts of things with my phone and it held up longer than my buddy's Samsung. Guy I know with a Motorola never really jacked with his, though.
VulturE ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:33:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Samsungs have gone downhill in that regard since the S3. The S6 is a sad, sad device when compared to a Nexus 6P.
Basically, there were too many generations of HTC devices that were fully locked and had no chance for customization. Yes, the latest models aren't like that, but even the latest models don't really have noteworthy specs. The new 10? It's the same damn thing as the 6P, but with more software-based features. Sorry, I know better than to trust that after dealing with Samsung for the last 3 phones - it's a slippery slope.
It makes so much more sense to get stock Android on a Nexus without Verizon or anyone's bullshit added to the phone and to get the real android experience. Or a Sony. They seem to get it too.
haydnwolfie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:29:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I still don't get why people are so attracted to wireless charging phones though
TinaBelcher4Prez ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:46:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At work its nice to set the phone down for a bit without fumbling with a cord.
haydnwolfie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:14:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like that would suck for your phones battery to be charging, not charging, charging, not charging over and over again though right? And isn't that puck like rounded and glossy? I just imagine it spinning around and slipping off all the time.
Durandal-1707 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:41:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Its kinda neat, set phone down and charge. Also scary because certain ports could start fires IIRC.
Butthole__Pleasures ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:30:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't miss the bloatware on my Android, that's for sure.
Durandal-1707 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:40:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck, still got it on my iPhone. It's filed under 'Apple Crap'. And I bought mine unlocked...
Butthole__Pleasures ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:45:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's only a few apps. I had I think at least a full page of that shit on my Samsung.
Durandal-1707 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:54:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There are about 30 apps I cannot delete off my phone. Pretty sure you have more, but JFC. 30 apps on an unlocked phone? I'm just gonna DL all the Google apps that do the same thing. Just, you know. Better.
Butthole__Pleasures ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:13:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There are only three that are useless, that is. Clock, Notes, and Calendar aren't exactly bloatware just because they are default and can't be deleted. The shit on my fucking Samsung was really bad bloatware. Like subscription services and games and shit that I would never use in a million years.
Durandal-1707 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:16:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I consider things I would never fucking use as bloatware. Keynote, Pages, Numbers, iMovies, News, iTunes u, Stocks, iBooks, GarageBand, Tips, Voice Memos, Watch...
And most of all, Find Friends. I DON"T HAVE ANY, FUCK OFF!
Also, game center. Fuck off, game center.
Butthole__Pleasures ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:29:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can't delete Keynote, Pages, Numbers, and iMovie? I don't have any of those on my iPhone. But yeah, fuck Find Friends, Tips, and Game Center. I use the other ones you mentioned, though. Especially Voice Memos.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:31:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget our garbage level batteries that only last for a few hours of constant use.
Durandal-1707 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:35:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait Apple or Android? I generally have great luck with phone batteries but my SO (apple addict) drains them like no one's business.
agk23 ยท 243 points ยท Posted at 01:39:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But guys, it comes with an adapter!
Elevenst ยท 143 points ยท Posted at 01:47:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A 6 pack of adapters might be better justified. Those little fuckers are going to be lost everywhere.
mcdswimr ยท 67 points ยท Posted at 03:24:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You wanna talk about lost, how about them Air Pods? All it takes is for one of them to get lost and you're out $160...
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:00:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Gonna be a nice $200 dent for us Canadians. Insanity.
I'm hoping this means we'll get cheaper and higher quality Bluetooth earbuds now though, put the pressure on the more off-brand but good quality manufacturers to crank them out, I've so far only found one pair that's affordable and has decent audio quality. $30 QCYs. Audio quality still wasn't superb, but good enough for my uses (far better than any other <$100 pair I've tried) and having to charge every 2 or 3 days was still annoying, so even if we go in this direction I can't say I'm looking forward to it.
FondSteam39 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:57:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Try mpow swifts. Only ยฃ15 not the best sound quality but there good
NachoDawg ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 11:07:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
they're* :)
FondSteam39 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:49:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ty
nomadrone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have a LG earbuds, the neckless type and I got to say I love it. Sound quality is good, they are comfy and battery last for days. Oh and they are like 70$ in bestbuy.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:42:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Fnhatic ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:59:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or a cat at home.
Or a toddler. But on the plus side after your child eats one, there's that sweet Apple settlement cash.
Fuzzysaur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:52:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And then you can use the money to buy more AirPods!
1N54N3M0D3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:09:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, $80, but I doubt they will sell single replacements. XD
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:45:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously its a wonder I dont already lose my cheap earplugs but those things would be the death of my wallet.
5MoK3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:15:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's why you buy there insurance package for an extra $50 on your bill each month. Then you have to send your old ones in, and they'll mail you a new set. In 5-8 weeks though
geekybaking ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:31:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is why I'm glad I don't work in the IT of an apple-user company anymore. So much money is wasted on adapters...
Ravingsmads ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:32:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I guess you are onto something.....
agk23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:49:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
$29.99
Elevenst ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:57:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
$3.99 from China on Amazon.
ffstriker ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:57:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
10 dollars for Apple official
ffstriker ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:56:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They are only 10 bucks
joelly88 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:30:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"courage adapter included"
hanoian ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:01:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd put all my money on the 7S or 8 not coming with one though.
Reali5t ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:37:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They are going to make a killing on those adapters. People will constantly lose them and cheap 3rd party ones won't work in the Lightning ports.
AirBacon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:58:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'll need several. I don't want to keep one in my pocket all the time so I'll need at least one at home, one in my car and another one at work.
Skoull ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:16:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I seriously saw someone arguing earlier that if your car didn't have Bluetooth you could simply just UPGRADE THE ENTIRE HEAD UNIT TO ONE WITH APPLE CARPLAY like sure who doesn't have a good $100-200 to blow on an entirely new head unit just because their phone didn't come with a 3.5 mm jack. Ridiculous excuses.
lqupro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:28:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Already lost it
Sabrielle24 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:01:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's so weird that it comes with an adaptor. It's like 'Hey, we made this great decision that we want everyone to get on board with, but we know everyone's gonna hate it, so here's a solution to it :)'
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 02:59:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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ThisIs_MyName ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:31:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You always had stereo.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:56 on September 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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specter800 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:59:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you serious? Stereo has been there forever. You would prefer to have tinny, shitty, stereo audio from your phone speakers over plugging them into a sound system?
SodaCanSuperman ยท 866 points ยท Posted at 23:01:09 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apple has so much damn money that they're just spinning the bottle on random stupid shit to add to new products to give em something to do
Frolock ยท 404 points ยท Posted at 23:11:21 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
FTFY
Vitztlampaehecatl ยท 232 points ยท Posted at 01:23:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
FTFTFYFY
FowD9 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 02:58:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
FTFTFTFYFYFY
Marcus369 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:05:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That looks about right
Moose_And_Squirrel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:30:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Love the implied parens.
blarghstargh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:06:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fewer.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:52:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
HannibalLecter.gif
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:47:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Vitztlampaehecatl ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:53:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nope.
"Fixed That 'FTFY' For You".
Flavourized ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:47:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think those apostrophe's are necessary in your initial abbreviation.
KlaatuBrute ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:58:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Up next: NO SCREEN!
LexaBinsr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:02:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How much can we piss off our users before they say it is enough?
Apache_Cox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:11:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but they have to spend some of it on paying ireland back some taxes acoudting to the EU...
ofrance ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:27:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
OR... They're smarter than you are.
AUKEY Bluetooth Receiver, Audio Music Adapter with Hands-free Calling for iPhone, Samsung and More https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00O8FYUJA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_4lq0xbW0HJD08
It's 2016!!!
The_Leedle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:49:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apple is a public company and public company isn't going to piss away billions of dollars and soil their brand just because they are bored. They are gonna do it while attempting to generate revenue and gain market share.
CupcakeValkyrie ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:59:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apple fanboys buy their shit because it's made by Apple, not because it's practical or economical.
PapaEsper ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:06:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If apple would have moved to USB C or included the wireless AirPods with the phone I would defend the decision. But no they included lightning headphones and a shifty adapter. I think that apple not supporting flash on their devices was the best thing that happened to the internet even though it was regarded as a bad decision. Apple could have done another big shift in the way people use headphone if only they included wireless ones.
CupcakeValkyrie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:13:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apple isn't in the practice of including anything for free.
WyaOfWade ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:33:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That doesn't even make sense considering earpods have come free with iPhones.
Arjunnn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:23:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, when you gotta sell a kidney for the iPhone, atleast they're nice enough to throw earphones in there
Nurgle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:27:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, except their chips beat the shit out of Qualcomm's crap. That said I'm probably going to switch over since I need a new phone, not new headphones.
CupcakeValkyrie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:30:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not arguing that Apple doesn't make high quality hardware, I'm arguing that the stuff they sell is impractical and overpriced, the former being due to the fact that so much of their shit is proprietary.
coolcool23 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:09:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I prefer to call it "a lack of useful ideas ever since Jobs died." But yours works too.
Nikos_Danovich ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:10:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just realized that you can't charge it and listen to music at the same time. Now I can't jerk off quietly in my cramped bathroom when my phone starts to die. I won't risk my phone dying first...
am0x ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:49:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eh...Wireless headphones are going to be the norm on phones in 2-4 years. It is already that way where I work (50k+ employees).
reenact12321 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Where do you work where 50,000 people wear cellphone headphones all day? Wireless telecom headsets yes, and most of those sound like shit. Wireless headphones can be really great, (I have some jaybirds and love them) but as long as you can pick up decent sony ear buds for like 15 bucks, and most wireless are 50+ they're not becoming the norm.
am0x ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:39:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My building is full of engineers, developers, medical coders, and essentially data entry people. Huge building, other than developers and engineers, mostly lower to mid income. They have the ones that go around the neck. I think i saw them at target for like $20. Mine are jaybirds and a few other devs have planktonic, Bose, and audiotechnicas.
Antrikshy ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 03:58:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think that's more Samsung.
Apple is influential. They more often than not stick with their decisions, even if criticized, and often other companies follow. See: No more disc drives in laptops, fingerprint readers on smartphones, gold and rose gold color options, USB-C exclusive laptops, touchscreen smartphones for everyday consumers...
SodaCanSuperman ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:50:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Android I believe;
Swipe to unlock first
First mobile device to have USB type C connector
Almost infinitely customisable
Had waterproofing waaay before the iPhone 7
Reese_Tora ยท 1347 points ยท Posted at 22:47:59 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Unless there's a better way to attach a square reader to an iPhone, this is going to push my apple fan wife to get an android for her next phone. (yes, yeees, come to the dark side, my dear!)
IThinkIKnowThings ยท 774 points ยท Posted at 00:07:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or, y'know, just never upgrade. Like the majority of current iPhone users have been doing the past few iterations.
randymile ยท 894 points ยท Posted at 01:32:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That sounds pretty viable, especially since iPhone's performance never deteriorates as they upgrade the OS.
FragmentOfBrilliance ยท 423 points ยท Posted at 01:34:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Granted this is anecdotal, but I have observed the exact opposite of what you are saying. Why do you believe that, am I wrong?
Edit: can't read sarcasm over text.
KSHabit ยท 98 points ยท Posted at 01:38:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/s
72hourahmed ยท 577 points ยท Posted at 01:34:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I believe he may have been being sarcastic.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:41:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
On Reddit?!?!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:42:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Homer_Sarcasm.gif [insert here]
ScaredScorpion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:25:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I believe there was defiantly sarcasm
Copyblade ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:57:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law
m0nkeyfire ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:09:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I read this in the voice of Data from Star Trek: TNG
Humbabwe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:08:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't fret. He laid it on paper thin.
FragmentOfBrilliance ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:45:59 on September 20, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, thanks haha
Elbradamontes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:50:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sarcasm <p>Text.<p>
How's that?
Damn it. Why can't I make this work? I shall try again.
Sarcasm.
Text.
Imissmyusername ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The main reason I switched is because I wanted to keep my phone for more than 2 damn years. I'd eventually start getting messages on almost all apps saying that my operating system wasn't compatible with the app. Same thing happened when I had a macbook.
JJagaimo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:20:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Havent done much with ios, but it's likely due to the app using the sdk for a newer version of ios that has features the previous didn't, thus raising the minimum ios version, even if the app does not in any way utilize those functions, meaning the minimum version vould be lowered. There is also, however, the problem of certain functions that could be literally impossible or incredibly difficult to implement that are available in newer ios versions or bugs/performance issues on older ios versions. Other times it can be attribited to developer laziness or libraries (why write code that does this when I can use a built in function in a later ios version).
anotheronedown ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:14:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have a 6+ and I'm running ios10 beta, I know betas are supposed to be buggy and it has to some extent but my phone is also a fuck of a lot slower. It takes about twice as long to open up a new app or switch between apps.
cuntweiner ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:38:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My iPhone 6 turns 2 in two weeks, and it works just about as well as when I got it, so although I know this is sarcastic, I agree.
fountain-of-doubt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:43:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Total sarcasm.
jahoney ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:51:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
iOS10 does not reduce performance, I'd even argue it increases it.
I've been on the beta for almost a month now
GenericBlurb ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 01:39:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
whoosh
FragmentOfBrilliance ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:57:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, whoops. This is a pretty great example of poe's law, anyways.
Brobeans_ ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:54:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wooooooooooooooooooosh
Rocto ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:47:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I still have an iPad 2 (from 6 years ago) on ios 6-7 (can't remember) and an iPhone 4 at ios 7-8. Both still work great.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 01:46:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've had the same 5s for what seems like years. Despite what all the circle jerking would leave you to believe I've never witnessed any performance issues with updates, it's just as great as the day I bought it, which I couldn't say about the galaxy I had for a year beforehand.
grigby ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:06:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'll add my own anecdotal evidence. My iPhone 5 got super slow after ios 9. Like really slow. Two seconds or more to get to the home screen from the messages app slow. 9.1 made it a tiny bit better but nowhere near as good as it was in 8.x. After getting 9.2 with another slowdown I refused to update it because I didn't trust them anymore. I have an s7 now and the few updates I've had haven't changed much. Time will tell what happens to it.
Crimson5 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:50:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a iPhone 5s(was at least) and iPad mini 2 owner I can tell you the move from iOS 7 to 8 wasn't too bad at all. But fucking iOS 9 killed it, I can't imagine what 10 would do (if it's even supported I didn't check).
I ended up selling the 5s since I can't have two webpages open without one of them refreshing. Bought an S6, great phone with custom rom.
Apple updates not only kill performance but they lock you into it, at least on Android I can flash new or old roms on at any time.
squalore ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:49:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mine worked great on IOS 9.
Crimson5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:40:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well mine became terrible at multitasking, I don't even use my iPad mini 2 anymore because it will crash randomly when all I'm doing is watching a video through safari.
Frankly both these devices have become unusable for me.
But on the other side of the coin my mother loves her iPad mini 2, some people can tolerate all the lag and instability.
Kerblaaahhh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:56:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's why I've never upgraded the iOS on my iPhone 4. Still works fine, I just can't use most third-party apps.
Brrdy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:31:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yeah I still use my iphone 5, I heard they rereleased it now as "SE", wat? Although iphone 4 is really fucking slow now.
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 01:35:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apple is good like that. They make sure that old hardware users are never unnecessarily forced to upgrade.
arkain123 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:36:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh wow.
I have a bike i could sell you with only one wheel, but it's for your convenience. Having only one wheel also makes it lighter and all you need to learn is how to use it (balance on the one that's still there).
Not my fault if you decide to use it wrong and want a second wheel though.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:07:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You are riding it wrong!
lostcosmonaut307 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 01:44:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They also actually give regular updates to phones which is more than I can say for the vast majority of non-top-tier Android phones. Even some of the top-tier phones get screwed if you saddled with a bad carrier.
Say what you want about Apple, but them telling the carriers to screw off when it came to OS updates was the smartest thing they could have ever done, and something Google still desperately needs to do.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:09:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fair enough... but i will take sporadic unnecessary upgrades over loss of control over the device i own any day. I can copy any file i want to my phone anytime i want from any device. Then i can view/playback/listen to that file freely as well. Fuck itunes.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:22:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
After not being able to get like 5 podcasts onto my phone because of fucking iTunes, fuck iTunes.
nmaxcom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:08:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's never an overstatement. Fuck fucking iTunes!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:06:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. Itunes is the sole reason I went to Android.
jrpjesus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:32:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Which files can I not listen to on an IPhone? I've never used iTunes on mine btw.
time_for_butt_stuff ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:11:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think everyone else is being sarcastic about updates gimping old hardware (I think there was just a lawsuit about that but I'm too lazy to check my facts) but you're absolutely correct about the updates.
Even among the top tier phones, Google phones are the only ones that actually get updates when they're released. Any other kind of phone and you're stuck waiting months or years before getting that essential security update.
amolin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:02:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, but you just don't get it. That's Androids solution to prevent phones from slowing down. Apple just lacks the courage to stop supporting their customers. Just look at how brave Sony is!
GV18 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:31:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yup, my last android phone was a Sony, and they stopped updating it regularly within a year, and they released the newest version of Android about 18 months after it came out. My iPhone is almost 3 years old now, and it's still getting regular updates.
regiment262 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:58:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, so is Google. Samsung, Sony, HTC, etc, run their own versions of Android that need to be updated separately after the newest version of stock Android is released. Nexus phones, which run stock Android, stay up to date for as long the phone is in service, and run comparably well to iPhones of similar status (at least in my experience). So many people get tired of Android due to their relatively brief lifespans, yet opt away from Nexus devices which receive updates for as long as Apple devices.
lesleh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:56:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're wrong, even Nexus phones only get updates for 2 years. iPhone seems to have been getting 4 years of updates. Case in point, the iPhone 4S came out in 2011 and runs iOS 9.
regiment262 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:37:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Case in point, Nexus 5 released in 2013 running Marshmallow. Pretty sure it's been more than 2 years.
lesleh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:52:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Do you have an example of a 4 year old Nexus phone getting updated?
Marshmallow was released in 2015 so that would be 2 years. Is it going to get updated to Nougat? Googles official policy is:
BadRedditUsername ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:51:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have a six plus that I bought two years ago, this thing still runs as fast as the day I got it, and I still get through a day on one single charge easily.
monarc ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 06:54:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The fact that a device working properly for two years is a braggable event says so much about how fucked the whole situation is. I used a razr brick that lasted a decade before I finally upgraded to an iphone 5. I hope to god I can find a way to make this thing last because the 6 is too big and the 7...
jeffiesos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:58:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just don't update your software, or downgrade if when you update you find that your phone is slow. As long as the previous firmware is still being signed, you'd be fine
squalore ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:49:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What about security updates?
jeffiesos ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:08:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Unless it's some huge major flaw, I don't think it's thaaat important. Lots of older android phones running on anything but the latest version are doing fine. If there is an update that fixes a big flaw in the OS, then chances are that a jailbreak developer would make a patch for it made for lower iOS versions.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:49:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fo real, just upgraded after three years with the 5 to the 5se. This thing is amazing. Soo much faster with twice the ram.
DaveThe_blank_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:46:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Too bad all those scientists, developers and manufactures keep making better processors, screens and memory.
OreoCupcakes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:53:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
iPhone 6 with iOS 8.4 jailbroken. Never upgrading to any other OS.
goblinpiledriver ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:59:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I managed to last 3.5 years with my last iphone. Hoping my 6s will last me at least that long too.
drcmaysv2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:05:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So... Have you ever heard of the iPhone 4?
randymile ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:27:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Never.
no1dead ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:43:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah it's because you need to wipe your phone. If you don't fresh start at every 2-3 iOS updates. Your phone will slow the fuck down.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:10:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know you're joking but really any iPhone up to 2-3yrs old handles the new OS very well.
The days of a new release crippling an older phone are pretty much gone.
My 5s runs ios9 better than it handled 8. Not sure 10 will be the same but as they've focuses on refining over the last few years I don't see any reason why it wouldn't.
And really if a 3yr old phone is working well with a new release that's actually pretty impressive.
bonjouratous ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:03:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair I've had the same issue with android. One update killed the battery life of my Galaxy.
Sierra_Mountain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:29:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm convinced that the OS upgrades are killing the iPhones. It's virtually impossible to add functionality with millions of lines of code, without impacting performance. Any programmer worth his weight in shit will tell you... Once you add another layer of an API on top of another layer... it reduces performance more exponentially thant linearly.
STIPULATE ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:36:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm finally joining the android side soon after using iPhone 4s for years...
Jareh-Ashur ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:48:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably going to wait for the iPhone 7s with the revolutionary inclusion of an Headphone Port!!
AnthraxAndFriends ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:59:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Never had one problem with my 6+. It does all I need it to.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:01:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Good maybe if they release a model without any strong consumer base support they will learn to stop trying to feed a cock meat sandwich to their market!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:55:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have a 4s. I will upgrade to,the 5s after the seven comes out. In two years I will upgrade to the 6 or see what happening in 2-4 years
LeoDuhVinci ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:58:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, it works out so well for me! I break phones way too often on accident, so I just buy an iphone 4s or 5. Basically $100 a pop of ebay!
Supernuke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:11:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, the last few haven't been that different from each other. Why not upgrade for free if you get a bigger screen, better camera etc? This one, however, I will never upgrade to
Sabrielle24 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:08:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I'll be getting the 6s Plus shortly and I kinda intend to stay there for a while.
HorrendousRex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:33:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Still loving my 5s. I was looking at the SE for a while but I realized... why? It's the same damn phone.
Camellia_sinensis ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:38:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, it's way faster. Do it.
I think it's actually a solid upgrade.
KirkCamraman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:13:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Its not the same phone. Do you even know anything about computers?
Thedirtyjersey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:03:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My roommate has 5 plus with a shattered screen, chips of glass are off exposing the whole top where the proximity sensors are, the digitizer doesn't even work.
He's kept it in this condition for over a year... Refuses to just fucking buy anything else despite having the money to.
One can only describe that much affection / obsession as mental illness
Elronnd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:16:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There is no iPhone 5+.
Thedirtyjersey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:47:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
6 then
Which ever model had a plus...
Wynter_born ยท 72 points ยท Posted at 00:58:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have zero doubt square has long since developed a lightning jack swiper for this occasion. It might not be out yet, but it won't be long.
Reese_Tora ยท 55 points ยท Posted at 01:14:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It will suck to not have the swiper interchangeable across phones, since some times her phone's battery dies and we have to sub in my android. Be that as it may, I think she will be fairly resistant to buying a new swiper any time soon after being forced to upgrade to a chip reading "swiper" so recently.
Wynter_born ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:18:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shit, you have to pay for them? That's stupid when they make a cut off every sale. Maybe there will be a trade-in program.
Maevora06 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:45:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
first one is free or at least it was. Taking a cut is no different than other credit card readers at a store.
RaeLynnShikure ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:52:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The swiper is free, but the chip reader is not. It's lame.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:10:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Chip reader cost me $50 but then had $50 in free processing fees. Worked out to be free.
Maevora06 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:48:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
oh I don't have the chip reader. I'm not messing with all that
DontTreadOnBigfoot ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:05:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Careful. In some places, if you don't have a chip reader, you are liable for any cc fraud that using a chip may have prevented...
Maevora06 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:57:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am not sure I have to worry too much about it since its just for craft fairs but Ill look into it.
Maevora06 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:46:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I sometimes use my ipad and my android phone for my square. Ipad mostly for craft shows.
spockspeare ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:24:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is there a separate charger port on this thing? Because if you have to choose between the Square module and an outboard battery, you're effed.
iandavid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:21:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't Square's new chip reader use Bluetooth?
ScaredScorpion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:29:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You could get a few portable batteries to keep her phone charged. They're normally pretty cheap
ThatGuyFromVault111 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:56:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Use the adapter apple ships with the phone
wannabesurfer ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:05:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tell ya what, I will donate my $9 square reader to you and that way you won't even have to go through the hassle of unplugging it, you can just leave that in your android!
Spinnerhead ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:06:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Of course not. If it were long, it'd be called "rectangle"
Wynter_born ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:09:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ba-dum tiss
TheBoraxKid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:43:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The thing about that is I know of so many local businesses hat use an iPad with a square as a cash register. Unless they make a square that can also charge the device that could be a problem.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:12:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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myerrrs ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:30:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Aren't square readers still free? Honestly asking.
eSpiritCorpse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They are.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:49:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jeez man, don't ruin the circle jerk.
irishjihad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:17:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But you can't simultaneously charge.
Chicken-n-Waffles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:53:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://squareup.com/contactless-chip-reader
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:55:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So your phone is dying and you have a long line of customers who need to pay...probably better off with a Bluetooth square and all the security nightmares that entails.
IggyJR ยท 98 points ยท Posted at 23:29:13 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think you have things backwards. Your wife might be Kylo Ren.
[deleted] ยท 194 points ยท Posted at 01:34:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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lurkeronebillion ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:03:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
'Just walk away Deadpool...just walk away. It is not worth it. Not this time.'
TheGrey_Wolf ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:11:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh shit waddup!
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:07:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just First Order stuff.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:05:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
เฒ _เฒ
korrtuul ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:45:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, she told me her name was Matt
IggyJR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:53:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm racking my brain trying to get the joke. Is there one?
korrtuul ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:10:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaOSCASqLsE
IggyJR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:15:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
HAHA. That was pretty good.
pudge27george ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 01:10:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All iPhone 7 models come with a lightning to 3.5mm adaptor you can still attach your reader and those with wired headphones can still attach. Not saying it's the best thing out there.
venounan ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 01:29:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I think that would be huge pain to use to swipe cards.
Fnhatic ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 01:55:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just picture trying to run a card through this three inch long penis of six attachments plugged into each other like this abomination, and its waggling all over the place, and then it suddenly loses connection because the leverage breaks the tiny solder beads on the internal jack. And now you can't charge your phone.
jibbyjam1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:11:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That monstrosity looks like a vacuum cleaner.
Troggie42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:57:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
THE SEGA BATTLEMECH YES
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:59:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All of those attachments can't make Sonic fun
narf3684 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:07:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
True. A square reader that uses a lightning port might be easier than 3.5mm though. Although you are now limited to iPhones for it. I'm sure that's part of the switch, though.
venounan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:48:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah it'd definitely force square and paypal to come out with new readers that plug into the lightning ports now.
Landrin201 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:18:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or they could decide not to, so they can keep their standardization on literally 99% of all devices and not bother making a new adapter because Apple are being assholes.
Windows_97 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:38:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Aren't Square readers usually free of cost? I would like to bet they will have a standard 3.5mm reader for free or pay like $5 for a lightning one. Apple is happy because people will continue to buy iPhones without worrying about Square functionality. Square makes bank off of a $5 "iPhone exclusive" reader which literally costs them nothing to make. Apple iPhone users happily pay an extra $5 for an upgraded Square reader because they are used to overpaying for little things like this and $5 is barely anything in the long run and they get to keep their platform of choice. Everyone wins.
Chicken-n-Waffles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:52:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're not supposed to be swiping cards as of October 2015.
venounan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:04:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What would be the alternative? Square still offers their card reader on their website.
Chicken-n-Waffles ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:16:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They have the EMV reader which is a recommended, almost mandatory, upgrade because as of October 2015, vendors who use mag stripe readers are liable for fraud charges and can no longer have the bank bail them out.
What's interesting is that the place where most credit card fraud happens is the pay at the pump card readers. I haven't seen one EMV reader yet at the pump and would be a hassle to pay after since the habit if pre-auth before you pump is the status quo.
I guess the other option is that you could set a pre-auth amount before you pump then pay then pump. Then people would be pissed because the Quik Tip held $50 for 3 days.
venounan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:19:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm that's really interesting about the fraud protection. I know I have some cards that are neither chipped, nor have NFC so a mag strip is my only option to use them. If I were a business owner who did all my transactions through square, I'd have to either not upgrade my phone, or invest in tablets or some other method of ensuring i could take payments from as many customers as possible.
[deleted] ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 01:31:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How can you charge your device while doing checkouts?
willmcavoy ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 01:37:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
YOU CAN'T
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:41:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can't.
jonnyclueless ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:43:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same way you connect more than one device to any phone now.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:43:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You don't?
Roccoradcliffe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Still rocking iPhone 4gs, just look at al these ports, ahHahaha
swampfish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:09:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can connect the square and a charger now.
largestill ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:42:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Square uses the audio port. That is the who point of this person's question.
Fnhatic ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:53:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Cool so now your phone has a giant three inch clit hanging off of the dangerously fragile port, the ONLY thing you can use to charge your phone because Apple has yet to invent induction charging.
WCGW?
333444422 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:30:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apple and their dongles.
Pokepokalypse ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:40:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cool! Now how much will it cost to replace this adaptor when it breaks in 4 weeks?
urshur ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:01:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
$9
Mr_Face ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:46:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
These adaptors never work well for card readers.
Osklington ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, so convenient to carry around a million dollar jack that is smaller than a dime and plugs into your phone.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:37:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can't believe that people are willingly going to use dongles.
Dongles for headphones were a thing in the early 2000's dumbphones and the dongles were the worst thing ever.
I really, really hope that very few other phone manufacturers follow in apple's footsteps.
spockspeare ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:25:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But can they do that while a charger is attached? Or is that yet another dongle design?
siegewolf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:30:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And will be as quality as their old headphones were. So you'll have to buy a replacement constantly.
motorsizzle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:46:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You sure the swipe reader will still work through an adapter?
jonnyclueless ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:42:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But it's going to be the standard very soon.
MrSynthetico ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 01:37:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The new Square reader is wireless and takes chip cards, as magnetic strips are being phased out.
It also takes ApplePay and other NFC payment methods.
Your wife's problem was already solved before it was a problem.
Thedirtyjersey ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:07:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but like Hydra another problem emerges
More batteries... Everything with a radio needs batteries
So now your square reader has a charger and your headphones have a charger and they both die rather quickly which leaves you fucked if you can't charge mid day or out selling things
Oh oh but you say you can just get a battery backup... Well isn't that nice, more shit to obtain the same functionality that used to be free. Very good reasoning
MrSynthetico ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:27:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
That's really more a problem with having to move to chip cards than anything. There is no chip card reader that plugs into the headphone jack. Maybe there is a plug in version? I'm not sure.
edit: a-ha! There is a chip card reader for the headphone jack. I had no clue: https://squareup.com/shop/reader
yeezul ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:35:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not if you're in Canada :/
overzeetop ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:52:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought the new square readers were all wireless/BT anyway. That's the way my chip-reading one it.
yeezul ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:35:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not in Canada
clutchdeve ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:32:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It comes with the connector to hook up a 3.5mm headphone via lightning cable, and presumably the Square reader
akiva23 ยท 56 points ยท Posted at 00:50:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's about as awesome as when camera phones used to come with the cameras separate and you'd have to connect them to the bottom. Actually i think i just found a way for them to save more space on the phone.
RyMarquez5 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 01:31:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It would get rid of the camera bump on the back! Genius!
semiorthodoxjew ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:36:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"The best iSight ever: iSight Fusion". I can see it already.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:42:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
With its Al-you-miny-um plate, you'll be sure its the most purposefully revolutionary useless feature yet!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:38:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Inb4 new iPhone will be a piece of paper that sticks to an adroid. It would be the thinnest iPhone ever created and have all if not more functionality.
Reese_Tora ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:13:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was given to understand that the adapter would not come in the box.
curtcolt95 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:26:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It does
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:25:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It does still awful but they do come in the box
-VismundCygnus- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:29:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Aren't the current model Square readers Bluetooth? The aux ones are obsolete and are going to be phased out and not supported soon.
bentwookie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:39:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The square reader you need for chip&pin and NFC is already bluetooth: https://squareup.com/help/us/en/article/5639-set-up-the-square-contactless-chip-card-reader
dibship ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:47:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
they have a wireless one that also does chip and nfc
Chicken-n-Waffles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:50:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're supposed to have this EMV reader as of October 2015 otherwise you're liable for the loss on credit card fraud done through the mag strip reader.
Reese_Tora ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:58:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She has a chip reader square, and says it only uses the headphone jack, no Bluetooth. She bought it when they first said you would be liable if you don't have a chip reader version.
ffstriker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:54:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Square reader is going to work with the included jack
Fools_Gold_4_Sale ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:20:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The phone comes with an adapter
spockspeare ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:23:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Square will make a lightning port model. They are making bank on that shit.
T0astface_Killah ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:42:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Square is Bluetooth enabled now so I think she should be fine.
thelastpanini ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:19:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The new iPhone comes with an adapter in the box. Though for a square device its going to be an ugly solution.
bry_chan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:19:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She could get a super cheap $50 android phone and dedicate it just for Square.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:21:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Square readers have been wireless for a year or two now.
SmallzMafia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:40:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't even think about the poor Square users.
Apple. Destroying small businesses one hole at a time.
Vlyn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:11:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Take a look at OnePlus when you're at it. High-end hardware for cheap (The latest one costs 400โฌ here while comparable phones from other manufacturers cost around 600โฌ+ for the same parts. iPhones actually have worse hardware in some cases..).
I still have my OnePlus 1 and it's running great (The battery also lasts at least a full day, usually two) :)
cartoon-dude ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:02:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What is that?
ckelley87 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:01:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your wife should be using Square's contactless & chip reader anyways. Every card I have has already been replaced with a chip, most people should be by now as well.
3ldude ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:45:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
there is a converter that comes free with the phone.
Afteraffekt ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:39:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Squares left the headphone jack a while ago, uses BT now I think to swipe and chip.
ofrance ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:26:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Perfect, she can be as stupid as her husband.
AUKEY Bluetooth Receiver, Audio Music Adapter with Hands-free Calling for iPhone, Samsung and More https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00O8FYUJA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_4lq0xbW0HJD08
apawst8 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:54:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you honestly think Square won't make a Lightning or Bluetooth reader?
GeenMachine ยท 950 points ยท Posted at 00:38:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
By not giving users an analog output as an option and keeping the signal chain digital, you can start to enforce copy protection on audio like what is already done with HDMI (HDCP) and disallowing analog output on protected content unless it is degraded to a much lower but acceptable (to the content owner) quality.
[deleted] ยท 426 points ยท Posted at 01:38:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Jason_Steelix ยท 256 points ยท Posted at 01:42:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If it can happen you better believe it will happen. Literally nothing surprises me anymore.
[deleted] ยท 166 points ยท Posted at 02:03:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tech used to excite me, today it's going to shit faster than yesterday's taco bell in my guts
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 02:50:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Old people and corporations caught up.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:42:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No man, we just got old and started working for corporations.
Camellia_sinensis ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 02:36:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because of greed.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 02:32:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Look at this guy's guts that can hold Taco Bell for more than 5 hours.
rowdypolecat ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:53:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just like about 95% of all people who have eaten at Taco Bell. This joke is old as fuck and just annoying now.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:24:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You should get out more, if things on the internet piss you off, walk away from the computer and read a book or something.
Mad102190 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:55:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Look at this guy's guts that can hold Taco Bell for more than 5 minutes.
mikaelfivel ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:57:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's because tech used to be invented for the sake of curiosity, and expanding humanity's reach. Now it's just a tool used by assholes to overreach.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:56:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And the idealistic dreams of Silicon Valley becomes a destopia
mikaelfivel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:29:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dystopia. But i get what you're saying and i agree.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:55:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's still going in the other direction too. Technology companies are historically the greatest enemy of copyright owners, I don't see that changing anytime soon.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:17:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
True but their being punished more severely and frequently than ever today as well it would seem.
Beefytaco97 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:26:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:54:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well I'm just a lay person but this year I have seen torrent sites actually shut down and the owners arrested (kickass torrents I think by the Feds). Companies have been able to force internet providers to cease providing service to people they have reason to believe are torrenting. With Microsoft 10 being creepy on my and the state of the surveillance gride it's hard to know how safe any of your information is.
IHateTheRedTeam ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:39:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And that's like a 5 minutes yum-to-dump eta.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:16:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Keeps its original smell and texture!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:56:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In my experience that would mean painfully slowly and hot as hell
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:17:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's the jist of it!
Kusibu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:43:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yesterday's Taco Bell? That's long gone already!
FrankManic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:46:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Welcome to your Cyberpunk Dystopia. Please collect your black pleather trenchcoat and mirrored 80s shades!
spook327 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:19:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
These companies live in a world where they assume that people ask themselves "how can I get my devices to be less functional today?"
Pixar_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:38:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
rolls eyes
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:53:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's exactly what my eyes do when I have an earth-shatteringly-pleasurable taco bell shit.
Archenoth ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:47:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
http://i.imgur.com/iqInqv2.gifv
ILaughAtFunnyShit ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:57:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
BOO!
xitzengyigglz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:41:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Would a man eating his own head surprise you?
just-signed-up ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:46:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly you're right. I've never heard of anyone ripping an MP3 from their phone's audio port, but damn if Apple isn't going to prevent it from happening.
iboiloil ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:23:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Literally?
ribizlitx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:39:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Murphy's law.
TimeToFloat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:35:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What about the spanish inquisition? No one excpexts the spanish inquisition!
Elbradamontes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:39:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Behind you.
tehlaser ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:06:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They could do all of that even with a jack.
The fear seems to be that Apple wants to make it a bit harder to sneak audio out the jack and right back into some other recording device. I have a hard time imagining what they would expect to accomplish by that. Moving the analog hole from the jack to the speaker terminals isn't going to end piracy or anything.
kbotc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:43:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They provide an audio jack in the box.
yeezul ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:31:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Uh.. why? Are we still making mixtapes?
TheGrandPigin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:17:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh no don't be silly, you'll be allowed to listen to all your content like always there will only be a small surcharge on your bill at the end of the month that's all.
Nicnl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:46:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That wouldn't be on the hardware side but the on the software.
All operating systems can potentially turn off the audio output based on conditions, with or without a digital audio output.
EyeLoveHaikus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:56:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It seems like regulation has caught up to the wild west days of the Internet.
CSGOWasp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:07:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
okay cool now im really not going to buy your phone, ever. I'm doubly not buying it!
Wacefus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:16:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honest question, if you are using software to play the music, what stops the company from making the software not play the file? i mean, isn't the worry that the software will "figure out" it's a copyrighted file or whatever? How does a 3.5 mm jack stop this now?
AesotericNevermind ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:00:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Anything that appears on the screen of an apple device, unless it is coming through your web browser, has already been filtered through and approved by Apple's money grubbing mitts. I don't know why they wouldn't want to extend that grip to whatever plays through the audio channel.
inthebrilliantblue ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:33:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sony already does this on the ps3 and ps4 called ciniva. It detects a sound that must match to a disc / whatever key to actually be played. I cant play Hotel Transylvania without the sound being turned off even when I have a legal copy in the optical bay.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:17:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is absolutely realistic. And entirely possible.
eleqtriq ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:20:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They could stop you from listening to "detected" music without making any hardware changes. That would all be done on the phone. So since they're not doing that already, I'm thinking we're safe.
Peanutbuttered ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:52:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
....if this were going to happen it would have nothing to do with your headphones. Your iPhone would be the computer that would not let a file play
my_junk_account ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:16:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They said digital content control as in being able to stop, pause, rewind, skip, etc. from buttons on a lightning device. They were just going over the fact that they can replace the single function headphone jack with a multi-function one.
grackalacking ยท 63 points ยท Posted at 02:06:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Headphones can't play digital signals and any music you hear is analog. From a signals perspective this isn't any different than what was done before and if they wanted to implement copy protection on a normal headphone jack they can.
A DAC exists in both cases as music is stored digitally and has to be converted to an analog signal before playing on headphones. The signal still has to be analog at the headphone jack on the lightning adapter, which is no different than before at the headphone jack on any other phone.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:31:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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grackalacking ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:37:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, but there is no difference between the lightning to headphone adapter and a headphone jack. If Apple wanted to add copyright they wouldn't have to remove the headphone jack to do it.
jayrandez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:36:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For now. I think their point was more "where is this headed"? For example straight from the horse's mouth:
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 02:41:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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PerdenmebutURONG ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 03:32:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Uh. No. This is exactly addressing the individual's point. Also not cool to assume it's a guy.
Sorry if this seemed rude.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:54:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah it is, look at reddit's demographics.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:39:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Clutch your pearls harder.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:42:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Embossis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:39:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You sound offended
PerdenmebutURONG ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:45:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am soups offended you assume I am a dude.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:52:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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PerdenmebutURONG ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:02:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you!
imacrazysloth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:21:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
HDMI is digital-in, digital-out. There is no DAC involved directly. If audio is being passed through with the video signal, it is converted to analog by the DAC on the device receiving the signal, where it outputs an analog signal to whatever audio device is connected.
GeenMachine ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:53:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is correct. There is also nothing that could prevent a handshake arrangement like the HDCP that I mentioned. In HDCP, every device on the chain has to be compliant.
jaredjeya ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:48:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's more about blocking "unauthorised" accessories from being plugged in.
grackalacking ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:43:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They could have done that without removing the headphone jack.
The only thing that removing the headphone jack does is makes it more inconvenient to use standard headphones, which Apple hopes pushes more users to more expensive Bluetooth headphones that they make.
As well it adds another product that Apple can sell (the adapter).
ilovekickrolls ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:47:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Please correct Me if im wrong but doesnt Apple claim that their headphones with lightning connector can actually play digital sound?
whatthepingas ยท 162 points ยท Posted at 01:49:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
The music industry hasn't even bothered with any form of copy protection and/or DRM since the whole Sony rootkit thing happened, so I doubt they would do that shit. Besides, iTunes has been selling DRM-free music since 2009.
Edit: Thanks for the gold!
Ketchup901 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 04:48:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
DRM-free in 256kbps...
seedzero ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 08:26:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
256kbps AAC, which is regarded by many to be roughly equivalent to 320kbps MP3
hayashikin ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 09:36:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a happy/sad audiophile who can't hear the difference.
All good enough for me.
whatthepingas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:50:29 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
AAC takes up too much space in my opinion. My rule of thumb is that whenever possible, I try to get my music as V0 MP3s. It's basically 320kbps MP3s, only that it's variable-bitrate, and therefore takes less space then 320kbps MP3s. Sounds great and takes up little space. If I get the music as 320kbps MP3s, I use a program called winmp3packer to "convert" those to variable-bitrate. It doesn't reencode the file, rather it takes out the unnecessary bits to make them variable-bitrate. Therefore the file sounds just as good the source MP3.
withmorten ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:49:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's even better, to be very honest.
Ketchup901 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:14:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Which is still lossy format so we still lose. Go lossless or go home.
seedzero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:52:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's lossy, but most people fail to identify the difference when doing a double blind listening test between decent bitrate MP3s / AAC and lossless files. You might be able to tell the difference, but the majority cannot.
Ketchup901 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:59:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Still no excuse for multinational corporate giants to cheap out on their bandwidth.
JonnyLay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:19:45 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lower bandwidth usage is good for everyone...
Ketchup901 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:02:36 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except for those who want lossless audio. Why should I not be able to choose? It's not as if I lose anything by using more bandwidth, anyway.
withmorten ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:50:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then buy it elsewhere ... 7digital, junodownload, the devil (sorry, I meant beatport), digitaltunes ... loads of stores that sell drm free lossless music.
Ketchup901 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know... That's why I was complaining about iTunes.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 05:01:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For now.
UKbeard ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 08:16:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
not true, intel has created drm for usb type-c audio. This WILL happen for lightning and usb type-c.
XenoLive ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:07:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tell that to YouTube while they constantly pull everything with a fraction of a song in the background off the site.
Account_1223 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 08:47:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's due to the copyright law though.
eleqtriq ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:21:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Right. Google censors music. Not Apple.
DotaWemps ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:40:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh you must be new around here
that_cool_nigga ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:21:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
HDCP is pretty crazy, I experienced it for the first time last week at work (I'm an ITV operator for my college), when the class I was recording tried to watch a sitcom on Amazon the whole screen went green. After freaking out and asking my manager what was happening, he explained it pretty much as our cameras in the classroom being able to detect copyrighted material and block it from being shown at our college on the air. I never knew about HDCP until that incident and it kinda freaked me out that some companies are going through that much trouble to protect their shit from being shown.
r34p3rex ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:44:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
HDCP can be defeated with an HD Fury box
JViz ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 01:54:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wasn't Apple the first legitimate pioneer of DRM free music streaming? Isn't iTunes still DRM free?
whatthepingas ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 02:01:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Apple being an pioneer of DRM-free music? Yes. Is iTunes still DRM-free? Yes and no. Music is DRM-free, however Movies/TV Shows, Apps, and music off Apple Music is DRM'd.
JViz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:24:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What's to stop me from taking apart my speakers and connecting the driver input to an ADC?
largestill ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:37:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Soooo... mostly no?
OminousG ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:10:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Amazon beat Apple by almost a year on DRM free music from the big four labels: EMI, Universal, Warner Music, and Sony BMG
shinndigg ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:45:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's already converted from digital to analogue within the phone, what difference does moving that process outside the phone make?
Honest question. I'm not an engineer but seems if they wanted to add DRM, they could've done it with the onboard DAC.
thisisnotdavid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:50:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I really can't understand how this is a new concern unless their phone has a built-in cassette player. This sounds like pseudo-tech nonsense to me.
shinndigg ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:50:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yup. With 900 upvotes. Sigh.
shokalion ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 01:40:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This should be higher up. I can't see it being long before you have to have certified this that or the other before you're allowed to play stuff, and bog standard downloaded-from-anywhere Mp3's won't make the cut.
Korhaka ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:07:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What about downloaded from anywhere .ogg then? ... I really should start paying for stuff someday.
jayrandez ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:27:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
RemindMe! 2 Years
Lost4468 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:51:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but they're still using analog?
bigandrewgold ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:52:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're still doing analog through lightning....
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Would it then be plausible to say they could control what content is played on what device i.e. $0.99 lets you play buy and play a song in your wireless earbuds, but if it's going to an open air speaker where others can listen it's $2.99?
Am I too high?
grackalacking ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:42:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, they could, but they could have also done that without removing the headphone jack. The OS already knows whether or not the music is playing over Bluetooth, the headphone jack or the speaker.
TheKrs1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:56:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They already had strict control on the audio chip controlling the analog port. What's the major difference here?
saltywings ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:10:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ya how did that work for Zune?
spockspeare ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:22:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So...no good audio, just shitty audio.
Sounds like a plan...
mushperv ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:29:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow I didn't even think of this, fantastic point.
ChaseballBat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:40:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dude. Take off the tin foil hat before you lose your hair...
toastmannn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:40:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
son of a...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:56:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus H Christ thanks for mentioning this.
dp_ny ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:56:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, are you saying the audio from your headphones isn't just converted digital content?
MrDyl4n ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:00:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't understand, do you mean that since the audio is digital they are able to gimp quality?
GeenMachine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:13:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In HD television content there is a handshake that goes on between each device from the source to the final endpoint (TV). Any device in the chain has to carry the copy protection or else it does not output. This is to protect the owners of the content from having the digital content being losslessly copied. (Honestly, I have no problems with this as the content creators / rights owners are entitled to not having their stuff ripped off).
The point I was trying to make was that in theory it would be possible to require having that handshake occur or otherwise output a downgraded quality signal.
MrDyl4n ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:14:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So all in all it just gives Apple more control of how the audio is sent through the device?
GeenMachine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:16:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Potentially, yes.
I_Print_CSVs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:12:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is why, but it's a long game
ivoteforvoat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:18:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're not disallowing analog output, they just moved their dac chip to them new earpods.
FiskFisk33 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:20:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So, as per usual with theese things, people who have bought their audio files with baked in protection might run into problems, while people who illegaly downloaded drm free ripped files are good to go?
Elbradamontes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:47:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh that HDMI crap boils my blood. I rented a movie on itunes and then couldn't watch it because my projector didn't have whatever copy protection protocol.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:54:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Nice inaccurate post karma whore
GeenMachine ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:54:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Read what I wrote. I didn't say they would just that it was possible.
sulaymanf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:43:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's an overrated concern; they throw in a analog headphone adaptor in every box PLUS Apple sells DRM-free music in iTunes.
NeoTr0n ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:40:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well good thing they aren't doing that then.
GeenMachine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:57:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't say they would just that it would be possible to enforce.
NeoTr0n ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:05:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, but since they are shipping an analog adapter, it doesn't seem like the plan... for now at least.
bytheshadow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:49:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just use the adapter.
GeenMachine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:57:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's just one more thing to carry around for at best a slightly thinner phone. To me that's an odd tradeoff for a design aesthetic.
lurkeronebillion ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:04:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just another accessory you have to buy which pads Crapple's profit margins
shaneathan ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:10:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Comes with it.
lurkeronebillion ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 02:16:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh ok. I wouldn't know I don't buy Apple products.
shaneathan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:19:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Really? Couldn't tell.
Osklington ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:04:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck apple so much
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:40:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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unr3a1r00t ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:01:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
OK and? That's after the source of the signal, which comes out either an analog jack, or a digital jack. The difference being, the digital jack can be DRM'd. Meaning Apple could decide to only allow the phone to connect to 'Apple approved devices' through this jack.
I mean, if you really wanted to get tin foiley, Apple would be in a position to restrict everything except Apple-owned products from being able to use the lightning port. Obviously, no, Apple wouldn't be so stupid to do something like that. At least lets hope they aren't.
The point is, they could theoretically start dividing phone devices by market with the lightning port. Oh, you want to connect your iPhone to that fancy audio mixer and sound system, sorry you have to buy our Apple audio app for $300 in order to unlock the phone's ability to connect to a sound mixer.
Yes, this is an extreme example, but I hope you get the point. Switching to a completely digital port does bear the risk of DRM restrictions being introduced down the line. With the direction consumer electronics is moving, it's not that far fetched as you might think either.
Cheers.
GeenMachine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:52:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't say they would I just said that it was possible. Nothing more, nothing less.
JasonsBoredAgain ยท 577 points ยท Posted at 23:14:09 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The majority of people I know that still have iPhones are still there because they're so invested in iTunes. Ya know....music.
This is gonna' piss off a lot of people.
[deleted] ยท 437 points ยท Posted at 01:07:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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evilcheesypoof ยท 60 points ยท Posted at 01:21:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Wait wait what? Do they remove the iTunes DRM too or do I have to do that?EDIT: I know newer music didn't have DRM but I forgot they got rid of DRM on older files as well. But Movies/TV Shows still have DRM.
Vitztlampaehecatl ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 01:26:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't know if it works with tracks from the store, but in my experience, if you imported your music from CDs, you'll be fine.
evilcheesypoof ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 01:26:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Most of my music is from iTunes, which is the problem most iPhone users have in switching to android.EDIT- I'm now aware there's easy ways to solve this, sadly TV/Movies still have DRM.
duckstaped ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:32:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm in the same boat.. the ease of keeping my itunes and phone working together has kept me from getting off of iphones. This whole debate has gotten me a bit more intrigued though....
evilcheesypoof ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:36:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I'm just sick of Apple deciding what features are necessary on their own. As far as I can tell there's really not a good reason to remove the headphone jack, and if waterproofing is the only reason, I'd rather have the option to have a less waterproof one, rather than Apple just deciding for me.
I like iOS, bugs and all, and I like that things are consistent and seamless across their products, but things like this that they constantly do just add up and are annoying me.
Maxwell8629 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:50:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have an old xperia z. Its waterproof AND has a headphone jack. Revolutionary.
Thomjones ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:09:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're just bullshitting. Bunch of waterproof/water resistant phones with headphone jacks. Bunch of thin ass phones with headphone jacks. Now it's just one hole for everything for no fucking reason that doesn't involve making money off new accessories
bacondev ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:49:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Considering that the Galaxy S7 is rated IP68 and still has the 3.5mm jack, this surely canโt be the reason.
Anti-AliasingAlias ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:36:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why not just drag and drop the actual files from your computer onto your phone? That's how I got all my music (much of it iTunes) on to my galaxy.
aquaknox ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:00:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I need my phone's storage for non music things but still like to have my music generally accessible.
snidelaughter ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:12:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Transfer the files to Google Play Music, then? Music Manager can easily copy your files over to GPM.
aquaknox ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:14:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
oh i got confused on the comment order. I thought you were anti-GPM, pro just putting files on the phone.
gaming_murican ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:07:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Because I have an S7 edge I have an 120gb SD mini card. coupled with the memory on the phone, I have 140gb. Yep, its nice to have all ur music and porn on one mobile device.
Anti-AliasingAlias ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:25:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lots of Android phones have slots for SD cards though.
Thomjones ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't the DRM still there? I dunno I quit iTunes ten years ago and back then I couldn't open those files with fucking anything else.
trueluck3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:09:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No sir
Anti-AliasingAlias ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:22:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I never play any music via itunes, even though I still buy it there. VLC when I'm on my desktop, default generic music player app on both android phones I've had. There's sometimes a prompt to convert the files but it's easy as clicking "OK".
TinaBelcher4Prez ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 01:47:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Unfortunately, not everyone owns a computer.
pleaseyessir ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:59:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They own a $700 iPhone but don't own a computer?
TinaBelcher4Prez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:38:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You must not interact with the poor very often. Who said they bought it brand new?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:59:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And yet they own a $700 dollar phone with a $50-$100 monthly plan?
TinaBelcher4Prez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:38:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I paid $200 for my galaxy s7. Fair price for an item I will carry around for 2+ years
DoxedByReddit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:02:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe they should have bought a $400 Android and a $300 computer instead of an iPhone
TinaBelcher4Prez ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:36:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My brand new Android was $200 and came with a 32 inch Samsung LED smart tv
Mahargagd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:00:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not just that. I tried to do this a long time ago when I went from the ipod touch to a galaxy S. I had to use an aftermarket tool to rip the songs from itunes. Itunes converted all the actual file names to random titles like ixxyt.mp3 or whatever. So I had to go through and rename every song ao they would appear properly in every other device I used. Obviously this was probably 8 years ago and there may of been a better way. They don't make it easy though.
idunnofry ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 02:01:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
iTunes doesn't sell files that can be played by anything but apple products, they are protected m4a.
trueluck3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:08:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, that statement couldn't be more false.
LegendofJot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:08:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's not true, m4a files can be played by just about anything. That includes the Google play music app.
idunnofry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:53:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did a reduction in drm happen recently? I have files i downloaded in the first year of itunes' existance and i was never able to convert them to mp3 when i tried.
LegendofJot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:07:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I stopped using iTunes recently and all I had to do was copy the m4a files out of the iTunes folder. They play fine on most other music players like AIMP on Windows, Amarok on Linux and Google Play Music/Blackplayer on Android. (Those are some good players that I personally use.)
Anti-AliasingAlias ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:17:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My computer/phone usually asks to do some conversions when I initiate the file transfer, but literally every song I've bought on iTunes works on my S6 and they also worked on my old S3.
Jareh-Ashur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:51:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You could sync your music with apple music and use the app on android?
aquaknox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:59:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well since you're someone who buys music if you buy Youtube Red the Google music app automatically upgrades to the all access version. It's not perfect since you never actually own the music, but it sounds like that's basically no different than your relationship with Apple right now.
smokemarajuana ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The built in music app on my z3c fails to recognise them but VLC on android doesn't give a shit it plays all my paid for itunes music fine.
riegspsych325 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
same problem here. I'll just wait until next year when they 7s comes with the headphone jack that they'll claim is there for "nostalgia", not backlash
trueluck3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Juuuust gonna' put one these right here...
evilcheesypoof ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know, I edited my parent post. I must have done it already years ago, just forgot. Sadly TV/Movies still have DRM.
Sonicjms ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
the songs are in your music folder, just drag them onto your SD card
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:45:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but you can download your mp3's from iTunes. The problem is converting your entire itunes library over to mp3's, then uploading them again.
blamb211 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:01:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't have an issue uploading music from iTune to my Google Play account. Nice and smooth
GruxKing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:47:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So it's basically irrelevant then, okay
HubbaMaBubba ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:14:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's wrong.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:51:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As someone who owns a lot of CD's, that's great. As someone who, like everyone else on the planet, hasn't bought a CD in over a decade, that doesn't really tell me anything.
SciGuy013 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:36:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
iTunes doesn't have DRM.
whatthepingas ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:45:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Anything you have bought before 2009 does have DRM. But even then, you can redownload those to get a DRM-free copy. Movies/TV Shows, Apps, and music off Apple Music are still DRM'd though.
evilcheesypoof ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:44:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh they got rid of that retroactively too? I know a few years ago new purchases no longer did.
RollTide09 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:57:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They did 7 years ago.
ponchothecactus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:33:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well idk about other phones, but with my s6 edge, I literally just copied all the songs from my itunes library to a folder on my desktop, then copied everything from that folder into my music folder. No trouble at all
__PETTYOFFICER117__ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:00:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
iTunes hasn't had DRM for ages...
SquanchMcSquanchFace ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:08:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like a lot of data
TheMusiken ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:47:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is but they allow 50 000 songs. It's great as a backup, to make room on your desktop, to stream your own music on your phone, to download it all on another computer and stream your music to your chromecast. I really don't know how Google came up with that but it's awesome.
Typo-Kign ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
50,000 songs for FREE, then the files count towards your Drive storage (which is pretty cheap and you can get another gig every once in a while by verifying your security settings)
FTFY
TheMusiken ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:56:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I really hate "FTFY" when the fix is based on a misinterpretation of what I was saying. Jrook talked about the free version, I elaborated on that. The rest of your message is just extra information, which is good but not a fix.
Typo-Kign ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:05:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ยฏ\_(ใ)_/ยฏ
NeckbeardVirgin69 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:18:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I actually didn't have any idea. Thanks.
XxVelocifaptorxX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:29:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh lovely, thanks for telling me :D
Antrikshy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:02:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why do that when you can simply extract the music files from your iTunes folder under Music? Oh wait, don't even need to do that. I believe you can simply drag from iTunes UI itself.
Google Play Music is not a special fairy that comes to free you of iTunes. iTunes literally sells DRM-free music files that go to your hard drive, like with any other online digital music store.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:52:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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TheMusiken ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:52:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As with everything, have backups. In this case, I copy all my files regularly to my 2TB external harddrive. Even though Google is massive and will most likely not screw you over, it's better to be safe than sorry.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:41:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, all you need is a constant, high speed data connection at all times.
1428575318008 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:04:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You don't, the app allows you to selectively store songs locally
toddsmash ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:33:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ITunes is available on android. Works okay
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:32:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Really? That's neat. I have a massive iTunes Library on my PC and I absolutely LOATHE iTunes. Good to know I can move it to a more lightweight, functional program.
mlbhr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:55:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How does that work with music aquired in... alternative ways. My friend is asking if he can do this with pirated music without problems.
Jrook ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:56:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just fine as far as I know, the only problem is if there's a goofy filename I'm not sure how to fix it lol. I have a whole hoobastank album that's a url
Iwouldliketoorder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:26:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I should do that I bought so much music on iTunes before I got spotify, but haven't used iTunes for years
Randy_Jefferson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:54:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
lmao. let me just casually upload 125gb of music.
Jrook ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:44:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I had like 100 gb. Super easy
Randy_Jefferson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:10:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ehh, that would take me a week i think
Jrook ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:01:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How bad is your internet?
Randy_Jefferson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:25:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
comcast
303onrepeat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:39:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In case you don't know I can avoid all that nonsense bullshit of having to upload my collection to someone else's cloud by using Subsonic and setting up my own server. http://subsonic.org
If you have an iOS or Android phone/tablet that home built server is a god send. I got tired of syncing all my stuff all the time and I hated itunes so about 6 years ago I built that subsonic server and never looked back. On iOS I use iSub which lets me cache the music directly in the app so if I am in an area that has no coverage I can still listen to music. Setting up this server is a 10-15 minute process at most. You install it, point it at your resources(ie music, movies, etc) and you let it index it. From there you can configure it to use either a yourname.subsonic.org address or in my case I bought a domain from google domains for $12 a year so I could tell my server to broadcast to mynamemusic.com. I also set it up so other friends of mine could access everything inside of it either from their devices or the website. It has been chugging along for 6 years now and it's been glorious. I highly recommend it if you want to get away with cloud or Apple dependencies like syncing to iTunes.
Thedirtyjersey ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:15:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah... That's amazing, because googles streaming quality is renowned for quality and speedy reliability at the same time, especially YouTube.
And I mean, streaming files you already own physically makes tons of sense for cellular use, the only time you'd need to access music you own already on your computer, it's definitely much better and more economical than a 128gb SD card in your phone, which might cost $30, versus the 3 GB per month cellular data
I mean seriously, why would anyone want to have all their music cheaply stored locally for immediate access when they can wait for it to buffer while depleting data plans that cost money every month!
lordicarus ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:41:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same thing with Xbox music. Upload your library to onedrive and play it on any device. The music player (Groove) is available on all platforms.
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 01:45:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Jrook ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:05:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not for your own music. If you've uploaded your songs into the cloud you can access it for free. It's listening to their spotify-like service that is premium
vanquish421 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:15:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Any size limit? I have about 200 gigs of music.
dsiOneBAN2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:52:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
IIRC it's a 50k song upload limit for free users.
Ikeelu ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:05:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
no you don't. Theres google music which is a music app to play your libary of music, than there is google music subscription if you want to add it.
CorporalCauliflower ยท 140 points ยท Posted at 00:28:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I remember the golden days when we just pirated all of our music. Oh wait...
Mirashe ยท 63 points ยท Posted at 01:52:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
<.< we don't do that anymore. >.>
Brrdy ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:44:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
nope, not at all, would never.
MrJustaDude ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:16:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's probably stealing and definitely immoral.
Brrdy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:56:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
it's like stealing a car.
you wouldn't download a car.
emezachariah ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:01:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would if I could
JesterXL7 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:06:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ever since I got my Google Play Music subscription I haven't pirated any music, the service is just so convenient and I've never had audio quality issues. I also don't have to manage a bunch of MP3 files. Hell I ended up deleting the 30+ GB of music I had stored on my computer.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:29:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
DEFINE WE MATEY
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:33:43 on September 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
speak for yourself
[deleted] ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 02:46:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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rowdypolecat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:59:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for being a good person and posting an image instead of a link. People always post the link for XKCD and it doesn't work on mobile.
NoxiousPluK ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:44:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But we have /u/xkcd_bot for that
kemando ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:41:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I still pirate a majority of my music, but if I find myself liking a new band and listening to an album or 2 of theirs constantly, I make a point of going to the store and picking up a physical copy.
Korhaka ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:11:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Physical copies still exist?
bakamusasabi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:06:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
On vinyl even. Many current artists are releasing new works on vinyl. I have lots. Its most delicious.
xeromage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:35:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
does your record player have bluetooth?
FrostSalamander ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:41:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a more direct way of helping the artist (compared to buying the song online).
kemando ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:39:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
of course, lots of people still buy CD's, and even vinyl records these days are making a big comeback.
spockspeare ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:41:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm going to go do some of that right now.
Namika ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:51:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly don't see the need to pirate music when you can Spotify or YouTube literally any song at any time on any device.
I mean, I still have close to a hundred gigs of music on my harddrive, but I'm using it less and less. Even if I know I have the MP3, it's literally faster to just open a new Chrome window and type in the song name to play it in youtube compared to opening my music program and scrolling down to the song. Not to mention I don't have to buy 128 GB phones just to carry my music around, just stream it for free instead, no need to even have the MP3s anymore.
CorporalCauliflower ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:56:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I work in a restaurant and my managers allow us to listen to music with headphones while we work in the back. Whenever I play music on YT, the video always gets paused being in my pocket while I move around and work. I also don't use my phone for anything except reddit and music so I have plenty of space with a 16gb phone. Also there's no telling when you won't have any connection to radio or wifi so all in all I find it convenient to just have the music locally stored.
CaptainCazio ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:02:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then use Spotify or get YouTube plus or google music. So much more convenient than finding every single song you want to listen to and downloading it.
CorporalCauliflower ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:19:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol, pay money for YT plus? I just download discographies of artists I like. Nothing more convenient than that.
CaptainCazio ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:03:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Umm...yes there is. You could literally just search whatever song you want and play it instantly with Spotify. It's like $10 a month, not a huge deal.
CorporalCauliflower ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:10:00 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Again. I'm not paying for any fucking service. Stop shilling all of your useless programs to me, I'm fine how I am.
CaptainCazio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:14:53 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol. Your own loss, I'm not a shill at all. Not sure how it's useless in the slightest you hillbilly neck beard
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:17:54 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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CaptainCazio ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:38:12 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hahaha someone's triggered. I get a student discount so it's only $5. I can spare $5 a month thankfully for almost every song as well as new music I wouldn't have heard otherwise. You can talk to literally anyone and they'll tell you it's worth it. Not sure what hillbilly third world country you're from that you think this service is "useless."
am0x ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:53:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most people I know use them for their snappiness and simple use. But I guess we have very different friends.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:01:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Spotify master race!
Bmilphy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:02:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I dont listen to music i just prefer iphones... Although i would never use an iphone without a jailbreak
AndyFNG ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:56:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly don't know anyone who uses iTunes for music, they all use Spotify.
Samanoskue ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:38:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Samsung Smart Switch will bring all your music over from a iphone or itunes account.
free_mustacherides ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:36:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can upload your music to Google play through your computer, thats what I did and its great. I can stream or download it to anything that supports the google play music app. So my galaxy s5 and iPad have the same music library
lenzflare ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
iSyncr allows you to sync iTunes to Android. And it works.
Sonicjms ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
why does that matter, the songs are in your music folder, just drag them onto your SD card
trigger_death ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The main selling point for why I'm sticking with my iPhone is GBA4iOS. It's the best emulator out there for mobile.
sulaymanf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:44:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
iTunes is DRM-free music for like a decade now. You could even upgrade your former DRM library.
FollowSteph ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:08:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
FaceTime, especially with family
Bohya ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:17:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can literally just download the songs from your iTunes library onto your PC and turn them into any format you could ever wish for. They aren't stuck on there.
jumpingboris ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:23:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And invested in apps as well
ice_blue_222 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:47:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But I can just use the adapter....
Antrikshy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:01:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But... they can simply extract the files from the iTunes folder, no need for Google Play Music like a lot of people are suggesting. iTunes has been DRM free for a very long time.
FlatBot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:04:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People still use iTunes? I thought Spotify kind of took over
yousakura ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:04:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The iphone DAC is terrible though
OzTheMalefic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:21:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I actually just moved to iOS with an SE and music was a big reason. My very old nano was having issues but I really liked it more than my Nexus 5 for playback, and the integration with my car stereo. With my Nexus having issues as well, I considered what Android and iPod combo I could buy for the same price as an SE, and the iPhone just made more sense. Such a nice little phone.
aadams9900 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:31:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I doubt that. It's pretty simple to move all your music to google play.
I have an iPhone because iMessage is useful and I like the interface. Simple as that.
I'm just gonna wait until they realize how dumb of an idea and auxless phone is.
Someone at iPhone wants everything to be wireless but don't realize how important wires still are. They need to improve interfacing around old systems before implementing wireless
dot_executable ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:10:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There is an apple music app on Android that has all your libraries linked to your apple account.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:24:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm invested because of iMessage.
Logan_Mac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:13:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Anecdotal
tomsox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:11:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People are not going to leave because of this. Why? Because they're comfortable with the platform they're using. It's a lot easier to start using an adapter or buy new headphones than invest the time into learning to use Android. They may try it because they're temporarily upset, but they will probably switch back.
I realize it's the cool thing to do to mock Apple, but this is seriously going to be something that we laugh about 5 years from now. Transitions suck (do I swipe my card or stick it in the chip reader?), but they're temporary and bring advantages (higher quality audio and larger screens in this case). I just wish they would drop the lightning port...it was a nice try, but you're already using USB-C in other Apple devices.
Motivatedformyfuture ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:12:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People still use itunes?
DocMN ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:51:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't used it in years. Spotify and Amazon music, cheap $30 bluetooth headphones that actually sound pretty damn good.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B018XI3ASO/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
avboden ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:51:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
iphone user here, don't have a single damn song on my phone, haven't opened itunes in months
Seriously you're like bernie sanders fans "well everyone I knows is voting for bernie therefor there was votor fraud she couldn't have won" "everyone I know with an iphone is mad!"
dedokta ยท 558 points ยท Posted at 01:29:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Has anyone picked up a phone recently and thought "man, I wish this thing was thinner!"
orangesodasmurf ยท 335 points ยท Posted at 01:47:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The funny thing is, the iPhone 7 is the same thickness as the 6. They didn't even use the word thinner during the keynote.
gyrferret ยท 93 points ยท Posted at 02:06:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It has the exact same dimensions a the previous 6S (Plus). The battery has been increased from the 6S however, likely due to the removal of the port.
muaddeej ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 03:37:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I usually end the day with 30% left on my 6S plus and would gladly give up an hour of battery life for the fucking headphone jack.
Scardrone ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 06:13:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So don't buy the 7?
Englishmuffin1 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 06:33:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or the 8...or 9...or 10?
His 6S won't last forever.
shottymcb ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:06:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Buy one of the myriad other smartphones that still have a headphone jack.
Englishmuffin1 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:10:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, that is a good solution. However, if someone is tied into an ecosystem, then it's not that simple. It's crazy that Apple are going to be forcing people to their competitors and unfair on people who have put their faith and money into one particular brand.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:58:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like that basket full of eggs just lost a few.
v13us0urce ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:55:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And use a one year old phone?! Shut up you peasants!
WastedAndReady10 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:49:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know for certain but I think the battery improvements come from having the new\more efficient processor. Something like a 40% CPU performance bump while using 30% less energy.
gyrferret ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:32:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most rumors pegged the battery as being 10% larger compared to the previous incarnation.
WastedAndReady10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:52:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
not that it matters but im curious how it stacks up to the old battery as far as physical size... like did they take advantage of getting the headphone jack out of there and the space it freed up or did they just find a more efficient battery to fit in the same space
AesotericNevermind ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:05:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Of curiosity, how much storage does it have?
The trend towards less and less autonomous memory in favor of reliance on streamed content seriously bothers me. Especially since you can get like, hundreds of gigabytes in the form-factor of a snowflake these days..
DontTreadOnBigfoot ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:10:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not to mention carriers killing off unlimited data plans.
The more data we need, the less we have
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:45:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not to defend the practice, but that's exactly why it makes sense from a business angle - unlimited data was fine when most people were just browsing fb and sending the odd email, but now pretty much every app and feature is chewing into your data to some degree, it's no longer cost efficient (read: grotesquely profitable) to just give the stuff away.
mirhagk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:36:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The port wasn't exactly taking up a ton of space. If it was next to the speakers you probably wouldn't even gain any space by removing it.
spockspeare ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:38:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's other stuff inside that relates to making it work that they could get rid of. But battery improvements are likely due to better battery technology rather than more internal space.
mirhagk ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:03:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know tbh. Batteries haven't really improved all that much.
Here's the motorola razr v3, which was released in 2004:
http://www.canadatekk.com/motorola-mobile-phone-battery/razr-v3.htm
a 3x4x0.5xm battery. With 710 mAh. Compare that to the 6s
http://www.gsmarena.com/apple_iphone_6s-7242.php
Which has only 1715 mAh and is easily twice that size. (closest I can find is https://www.amazon.com/iPhone-Battery-Stalion%C2%AE-Replacement-compatible/dp/B00SGH382G which says 12x6x1cm, which is 12x the size)
LikwidSnek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:33:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
EleGiggle 1715 mAh in 2016 EleGiggle
jdb12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:22:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Vice versa. Removed port because bigger battery.
envyxd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:29:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thinking about this critically, wouldn't it be null since you'd have to use bluetooth for headphones, causing you to drain your battery more?
So the battery life increased just so you could decrease it just as fast?
WaitWhatting ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:14:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Battery has not increased.
They listed longer timer for wifi use.(2 hours more)
But call time and mobile internet time are exact the same as the iphone6 (up zo 14hours)
NetRickyAZ7688 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:32:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think the battery is bigger. I think the new processor is just more efficient. Didn't they just mention better battery life? I didn't watch it just saw stuff online so I could genuinely be wrong.
UpvoteForPancakes ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:45:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure I heard my wallet would be thinner.
jimbo831 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:26:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
iPhone 7 is actually thicker than the iPhone 6. It's the same size as the 6s.
xbbdc ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:06:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously? The whole point of getting rid of the jack was to a) make it waterproof and b) make it thinner and thinner was never mentioned? ROFL
[deleted] ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 02:10:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The point was to make room for other internal components.
xbbdc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Such as? I haven't looked yet but I haven't heard any new hardware feature except a dual cam?
pilot3033 ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 02:20:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Haptic feedback, bigger battery, faster chips, waterproofing, camera stuff, whatever they have in mind for iPhone 10th Anniversary Edition.
Love it or hate it, Apple figures the camera is more important than an audio jack since the future is wireless.
joshuad80 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:31:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also the second speaker.
mirhagk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:36:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How's that wireless charging support coming? Or NFC?
Captain_Alaska ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:45:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Supported since 2014 on the iPhone 6?
How the fuck do you think Apple Pay works?
twilysparklez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:46:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apple Pay only though
RaginReaganomics ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:39:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just curious, what do you personally use NFC for outside of paying for stuff?
twilysparklez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:57:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I personally use NFC for NFC tags and to connect to wireless devices, such as Bluetooth speakers, with a tap
mirhagk ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:52:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cool. And when does any other company or protocol get access to it? When can consumers use it for something besides buying stuff?
My bank supports using my phone instead of my debit card. The merchant doesn't need any new systems, and I don't need to have my money move anywhere else.
Captain_Alaska ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:56:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure what your point is, that's exactly how both Apple Pay and Android Pay works.
mirhagk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:20:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then why are there stuff like this which talk about merchants that support NFC payments (through debit/credit cards) but not apple pay?
Captain_Alaska ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:25:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't live in the US, I literally have to go out of my way to find a card reader that's not NFC capable or won't read Apple/Android Pay.
And I'm still don't know what you're trying to argue, Android Pay works the exact same way. Only SamSung's implementation is any different.
mirhagk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:30:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but as far as I'm reading and I've seen NFC was around for a long time before apple pay. Even Mcdonalds just recently started accepting it (if you believe their marketing).
As far as I can tell it is a proprietary protocol that the merchant has to opt into, as opposed to what the bank is doing, which is communicating over the same protocol as regular NFC payments.
And besides that there are other things besides Apple Pay that you might want NFC for. But apple won't allow anything else to use it, for fear that google wallet or regular NFC payment systems would destroy it. There's even stuff like an e-ink phone case that is both powered and delivered data over NFC.
RaginReaganomics ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:35:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
What else do you personally use NFC for? I'm just curious because you've made a big stink about this, it must be really important to you.
I actually prefer Apple Pay over having to open my bank's clunky app every time. I literally don't have to press anything to activate Apple Pay- it's a very polished experience.
In my experience with Android phones they just lack the polish that I desire. For all of the processing power you can buy, things like searching through contacts still lags and the OS feels sticky. I don't think I can ever go back, iOS is too polished & fast.
Captain_Alaska ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:39:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What are you going on about? Nobody has to 'accept' it. It works out of the box with standard contactless readers which are everywhere around the counrty.
The only reason US businesses need to upgrade is because they've got old-ass chip & pin readers (That the rest of the world doesn't use) which aren't compatible with any sort of contactless payments and have to be changed out for a reader that does.
I can go to any contactless reader (Which is easily 95%+ of them) in the country and use Apple Pay with any of them, nobody has to opt into anything.
The merchant doesn't have to opt into anything other than having a compatible reader.
It's the banks who've got to opt in, and that's so that it works properly with their systems and both Apple and Android can add additional authentication to the services.
mirhagk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:53:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then can you explain why retailers that have had NFC for years are advertising "Apple pay now supported"?
Captain_Alaska ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:56:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because of CurrentC and several other factors leading to some places banning Apple/Android Pay contactless payments in favor of their own services that then died off so they need a way of saying 'We support it'.
Again, it's only a US thing, 'Apple/Android Pay Accepted' stickers don't exist here (Or in the UK, etc) because it's correctly assumed it works on any NFC-compatible reader.
mirhagk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:01:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They exist in Canada (the mcdonalds link is from canada). And merchants didn't have their own here. We had interac flash, mastercard paywave and visa paypass (or w/e the names are) which is debit cards, and the 2 major credit cards. Those were going for years before apple pay came along, and merchant specific payment systems didn't even come into play at all here.
I mean I don't own an apple device, but it was my understanding that apple pay has just recently started to work at places besides starbucks
Antrikshy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:05:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm really curious what system you are talking about.
mirhagk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:15:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I live in Canada. We've got Interac Flash/Visa Paypass/Mastercard Paywave or something. Basically NFC debit/credit cards that you just tap to pay. Since it's just NFC, all my bank has to do is emulate my debit card using my phone's NFC and the payment terminal is none the wiser.
Also we got chips like a decade ago. And we have PINs (since nobody even bothers to look at signatures). Also we don't have pennies. Also we have email money transfers (enter an email address, they get money that you send, after answering a security question). Jeez america, catch up with your payment processing.
Antrikshy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:21:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At least we have third party services that do email money transfer... :(
(Square Cash, Venmo etc)
mirhagk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:26:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. It seems that banks/payment providers in the states just suck and corporations need to step in to fill the gap. I mean that's basically why apple pay even exists.
Shrinks99 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:13:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Haptic feedback.
xbbdc ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:26:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.apple.com/iphone-7/specs/ The main page and the site just says "new Home button" but nowhere mentions haptic feedback or Taptic Engine. Pretty odd considering it's a brand new feature that already sounds like it sucks with some early reviewers.
Shrinks99 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:22:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They made a statement about it in the presentation. Funny it's not mentioned though.
spockspeare ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:40:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You mean iPhones never had vibrators before? Because that's all haptic feedback means.
Captain_Alaska ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:48:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apple's Taptic Engine (And now Haptic with the 7) and a standard vibration motor aren't the same thing and feel completely different.
Go to any phone store and toggle the mute switch on a 6 and then do it on a 6S, there's a huge difference between the two.
Shrinks99 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:06:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No they had a vibrator but they didn't have the "taptic engine" thing which creates a button press like sensation and replaces the physical click.
Burnt_P0Pcorn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:34:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's what I don't understand. They didn't shave any mm, meanwhile the GS7 which came out in March and is 7.7mm thick with ip68, a headphone jack, and larger battery and is only .4 more mm thicker for it.
domeforaklondikebar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:44:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's other phones with accessible audio jacks and water "resistance".
Camellia_sinensis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:39:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No more thin. Please. It's insanity.
Vanity_Blade ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:26:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If I'm not able to shave using my phone as a razor, it's not thin enough.
spockspeare ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:41:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If I can't see Anne Hathaway's hips behind it, it's not thin enough.
youlikeyoungboys ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:09:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
THIS IS A HISTORIC DEVELOPMENT
IngsocInnerParty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:55:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you notice, they also went back to regular Myriad Pro in all of the branding instead of that ultra light version of the font.
joshuad80 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:30:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's got a bigger battery, another Taptic drive, and a second speaker. They used that space, IMO, very efficiently.
aadams9900 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:43:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They weren't trying to make it bigger they were trying to fit more important things in there. Like battery. The new battery is 14% bigger. Also another misconception: you'll have to pay for an adapter. They're actually putting it in the box with the phone.
Their idea is.. If the battery is bigger then you will be freed up from charging it all day so you won't need to have an 3.5mm and a charging port. They're trying to get you away from being tethered to a wall all day.
Apples a big fucking company, they're not a bunch of dumbasses running around not knowing the industry, they recognize the risk and are doing it anyways.
alexthelyon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:45:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They had to use the extra 1/2cm3 for the clicking simulator
Brillegeit ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:10:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I always just think "man, I wish this had a smaller screen".
My last phones were Nexus 5X and Nexus 5. I miss the screen size of my Nokia N900, although not the thickness.
Rindan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:02:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Every single reviewer ever. No reviewer can review a phone without lining up an iPhone, the latest Nexus, a Galaxy whatever, and the phone they are reviewing on their profiles so you can zoom in in photoshop and count how many fucking pixel thinner or thicker the phones are.
Fuck smartphone reviewers. Fuck every single smartphone reviewer out there*. You are all awful people. You spend a dozen paragraphs jerking off to how many microns thinner one phone is over then other, jerk it for another dozen paragraphs talking about whether or not you like the corners or the bevels, and then you spend one fucking sentence reporting what the manufacturer told you about the a battery life fresh out of the box. I hate smartphone reviewers.
A smart phone review should be a picture of the god damn phone so that you can decide if you like the aesthetics of it (assuming you even give a fuck, which you shouldn't), and then a whole bunch of testing and words so that I know if the phone is going to have a 2 hour battery life in a month and be slow as molasses. The whole idea of a reviewer reviewing the aesthetics of something THAT THEY HAVE PICTURES OF SO YOU CAN DECIDE FOR YOURSELF, is so stupid it hurts. I can decide if I think the phone is pretty without help. Thanks. I can't tell how long the battery is going to last from a fucking picture though, even a stupid profile picture next to a dozen other phones.
*okay, maybe not every reviewer. I'm sure there are some reviewers out there that are not awful human trash who can't an instant erection the second they turn a phone sideways and see exactly how little battery it has.
PirateNinjaa ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:55:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, because my 6.1mm 88g iPod touch feels like Star Trek technology in comparison.
TallT66 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:50:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I actually bought a fat case for my S7 so I can hold it easier. Phones today could use a little more thickness.
pastryfiend ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:28:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I put my g3 in a slim case just to give it some bulk. It just feels too thin without it and I'm afraid I'll drop it. I don't understand this obsession with thinness. Give me a few extra millimeters for more battery capacity.
smiles_and_cries ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:29:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They decrease the size of the battery and remove ports to make it thinner, then they sell you a battery pack that makes it thicker.
xAbednego ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:30:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've said I wish it was thicker because it has a longer battery life
ScaredScorpion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:33:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I want them to be thicker. I wonder if they're just seeing how close to paper they can get. On the plus side I guess this means they have to put serious money into battery research
chipmandal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:25:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes.. the phones are getting monstrous.. maybe not thinner but definitely smaller.
AKJ90 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:17:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm the opposite, I just don't want the camera to stick out, and a better battery. Maybe wireless charging?
fluctuationsAreGood1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:01:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah come on, this is 2016, phone fat shaming is so dead.
apawst8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:06:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Gordon Gekko?
TexanInExile ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:58:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Only Apple. They looked at the last gen of iPhone that bent when people put it in their pocket and were like, "You know, we can improve on this."
shokalion ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:47:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm amazed they're still striving for that after the problems they had with the 6 bending.
I use a Note 4 with an Otterbox defender casing, and I'm perfectly happy.
Fnhatic ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:59:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
'... so I can put it in a huge case to protect it since its so fragile and thin!'
spotdishotdish ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:13:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The only reason i use a case is because i dont like how thin my phone feels
Thomjones ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:31:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hahaha. RIGHT?!!! Wtf is the point of a thinner iphone?? So it slips out of your hand easier??
kangareagle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:07:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What I think is funny is all these people saying that they don't need a thinner iPhone without realizing that the new iPhone isn't any thinner and that Apple didn't saying anything about it being thinner.
Thomjones ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:56:18 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's because it's been rumored for the past year that it would be thinner and rumors persisted up until Sep 6th. But then they actually saw the iPhone 7 and journalists who held one said it's not any thinner. And numerous Apple insider reports said they ditched the jack to make the phone thinner. But we're seeing none of the reasons mentioned are actually legit. There are plenty of water resistant phones with the jack, and two speakers phones exist that also have the jack. So it's even more confusing.
moeburn ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:14:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My last iPhone was so thick it made me want to shit myself with rage.
[deleted] ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 01:55:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thai so going to piss some people off, but, has the larger part of the cell phone market picked up a phone recently and thought "Man, I can't wait to plug my non-Bluetooth headphones into this device!"
A majority of cell phone users are using Bluetooth headsets like the LG HBS models. They also have Bluetooth speakers and receivers in their cars. The 3.5 jack could have been left alone but it was the last physical entry point for water and dust into the device aside from the charging port which has been made waterproof.
TheGrandPigin ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:14:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Galaxy is water resistant.... with an aux jack
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:41:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There are multiple phones on the market with IP67 ratings that have an open headphone jack.
Trinket90 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:49:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I use Bluetooth in the car, but when I listen to aidiobooks and music in the house, I use headphones. I don't like Bluetooth headphones because I don't like having another thing to charge. And I need to be able to charge and listen simultaneously, which I'd like to do without jumping through hoops.
Probably not, but then again it wasn't a particularly special feature since they all have them.
bsmythos ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:07:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
According to a place that has actual information, unlike your bullshit, a lot of people used wired and non LG headphones.
http://www.statisticbrain.com/headphone-industry-market-share-statistics/
[deleted] ยท 71 points ยท Posted at 04:12:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love the apple apologia "it's 60 year old technology" cause old can't still be good. Yet none of those smart mother fuckers showed me their better wheel yet.
guthepenguin ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 04:19:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most of what we use is old tech.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:36:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Many of the best ideas are the old ideas.
RebornPastafarian ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 05:25:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So are telephones :|
EmLeingod ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:42:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't at all agree with Apple on the decision, but that comparison really doesn't hold lol.
That's like comparing the removal of a cassette reader to banning cars.
I get where they're coming from, but wireless headphones are not the future. Kind of crazy how quickly Apple is losing its role as the visionary of the tech industry without Jobs, and I was no fan of Jobs.
RebornPastafarian ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:41:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What? Telephones are over a century old, that's not a comparison it is a statement of fact.
bstix ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:26:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The audio still has to be converted to filthy "analog" airwaves at some point. Apple are just moving the conversion from the phone and into an even smaller and crappier piece of hardware. It's not much of a technological advance.
TheCaspica ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:57:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know what's also old? The wheel.
chipmandal ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:26:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
have you seen a wheel from 100 yrs ago?
ScaredScorpion ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:39:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, if you want the iWheel you'll need Apple's new lighting-to-axle adaptor now available for $1,500,000 at your local genius bar
CB_Ranso ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
That's my problem with all of this. I have an iPhone 6 and I love it. If they had introduced a genuine benefit for the consumer I'd be fine, but I personally don't feel like there is one. It's a huge middle finger to the consumer just so they can push their $160 Air Pods and sell more of their Wireless Beats by Dre. The consumer doesn't receive a single benefit out of them getting rid of it. I can't use my V-Moda Crossfade headphones with my phone unless I get the adapter (yay...) which also uses up my charging port (yay...). And many people are asking "How often do you charge and listen to music at the same time??" Enough to still want to do it.
I also don't think battery technology has advanced far enough for Bluetooth audio to be the only option for my phone. I don't want to have to worry about making sure my headphones are charged just so I can listen to my music. And it's not like they put a USB-C port on it, which I would have been slightly more okay with, but it is STRICTLY LIGHTNING. Which means the wired headphones that come with the phone will only work on iOS products. They will not even work on Macs or Macbooks.
In my eyes, there's just so much more wrong with this than just "They got rid of the Aux port." I'm now heavily considering Android for my next phone if anybody has suggestions and hoping this whole thing backfires in Apple's face.
2790 ยท 880 points ยท Posted at 00:10:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Just read the rundown on CNN:
This experience that "could not have been created before" is coincidentally the exact experience of using a Oneplus 2, a phone released over a year ago and already replaced by a newer handset. Maybe instead of trying to enforce a copyright on rectangles with filleted edges, Apple should invent something actually new.
edit: it is a patent, not a copyright. my bad.
dongknog ยท 287 points ยท Posted at 01:32:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure my shredder at work has this feature.
BadSpellingAdvice ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 03:01:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So does a vibrator. Apple is slowing becoming a tech snob's sex toy.
BertitoMio ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:51:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You work for the Foot Clan?
246011111 ยท 55 points ยท Posted at 01:58:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
there has been an awakening
[deleted] ยท 184 points ยท Posted at 01:28:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apple uses the taptic engine on all of their laptops. It was only a matter of time before it came to the iphone. It feels the same as a physical click.
meleesurvive ยท 79 points ยท Posted at 01:44:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I read a tweet from a guy who was at the event who said the button disappointingly feels nothing like a real button, the way the Macbooks trackpad feels like a real button
cest_va_bien ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 02:17:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
The Verge said it was extremely disappointing, and actually feels like raw vibration of the phone rather than a click.
edit: source.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:09:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can you point me to a source where they say that? I've been searching for a bit and can't find it.
henrokk1 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:49:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was the first result when searching for iPhone 7 verge.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:14:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol I was searching too specific terms.
meleesurvive ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:43:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol that sucks. That would remind me of a shitty budget Android phone
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:21:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That seriously odd, my Magic Trackpad 2 does feel like a real click, and with the BTT app the click/force click is highly customizable.
cest_va_bien ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:56:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The "taptic engine" trackpad is amazing, apparently it's not the same on the phone.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:57:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait how is the macbook trackpad not a real button?
WhyUNoCompile ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 02:00:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because it actually doesn't depress (on newer models with the taptic engine).
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:25:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ah I guess my 2012 model isn't one of those.
1MillionMonkeys ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:53:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a really weird change. Once you get used to it, it's easy to forget it's not a button but when I first switched, I had some problems with pressing too hard. It's kind of amazing though because I'm pressing it now and consciously thinking about how it's not a button but it really does feel and sound like one no matter where you click on the trackpad.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:13:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have a 2015 MBP with force touch and it's really weird. You start applying pressure and it "clicks". You apply more pressure and it clicks again. I have spent more time than I'd like to admit just clicking and trying to figure out how it works. Especially since with the laptop off, it doesn't click nor depress at all.
Kingbuji ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:33:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I turn off and click and on then click and it feels so weird
FowD9 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 03:02:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i have it, it's not a button. it has a type of haptic feedback that makes you feel like you clicked a button, not in the way of just vibrating, but legit feels like you clicjked a button. for example if you really quickly hit the trackpad and press down, it won't click which is just weird, but if you lightly press it, it'll click as if you just clicked a button. you can also set a "second" button where if you click and then press a little harder, it'll "click" a 2nd button (which you can set as your right click)
as somebody that doesn't care for apple products, it's something that's actually pretty neat. fyi, it's my work laptop
Elbradamontes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:58:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Mac trackpad is a thing of beauty. The Surface Pro 4 cover is as close as I've ever seen on a windows machine but it's nowhere near as close. I remember when they took the buttons off. I thought it was ridiculous. I was wrong. Ok on the Surface, there must have been some improvements in a firmware update because I don't feel the need to use a mouse every time I fire it up.
coworker ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:21:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Even the MacBook trackpad has problems though. There's nothing more fun than attempting to wake the laptop via the touchpad and it doesn't click because it's kernel panicked or something. You can't even be sure you pressed it right.
This happens to me fairly often because at work I generally keep the lid closed, connect to external monitors, and then wake by bluetooth. Half the time when I disconnect and reconnect, OS X just hangs.
1MillionMonkeys ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:02:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd recommend opening the laptop screen when disconnecting. For some reason, OS X has never been great at recovering from a monitor change + wake from sleep. If you open the laptop screen, let it get its bearings, then unplug the external display and let it move everything to the laptop screen before closing it again, it should completely eliminate your problems. I wish they would fix this but imagine it's a more difficult problem to solve than it sounds.
Another great tip for anyone reading is that if you have an Apple laptop with a glowing white LED light on the front, you are better off waiting for that light to go from solid to blinking after closing the lid and before picking it up. The reason is that the hard drive doesn't stop spinning until the light is blinking so by waiting to move it you reduce the likelihood of damage to the hard drive (and the dreaded inability to wake from sleep that sometimes results). If your Mac has an SSD this is a non-issue as those have no moving parts.
kbotc ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:46:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Uh... What the fuck? I haven't seen a kernel panic in years
1MillionMonkeys ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:03:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They've just figured out how to make them reboot automagically in the event of a kernel panic instead of making the user do it so it's much less noticeable.
Camellia_sinensis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:42:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I do not like how the new trackpads feel. Not a satisfying click and delicate enough that if you use "tap-to-click" you can accidentally click. Blargh. Some weird decisions from Apple lately...
RaginReaganomics ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:51:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It took a while to get used to- I hated it at first. The one thing I like is that you can click anywhere on the trackpad (even the corners) and get the same level of "click." Other laptops with hinged trackpads just feel crappy now.
Zeus1325 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:57:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I use a mac, you realize how many times I just stared at my finger and clicked because of your comment?
jimbo831 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:25:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've been amazed at how real it feels on my MacBook.
Humblebee89 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:12:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not putting it down, but whats the advantage to it? If it feels the same, whats the point?
JonnyLay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:20:57 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Feels the same, and uses more battery! Brilliant!
Leporad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:43:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then why do it?
a_Light_Umbrella ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:47:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It saves space and allows for more functionality like force touch.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:48:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Water resistence. Also, more customizations. I guess they can program more gestures this way. It practically took all the space of the headphone jack. They spoke briefly about what you it can do.
shadow_shooter ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:45:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How the fuck do you replicate the feeling my thumb physically sinking in as I press the button. That's the feeling I seek when I press something. I don't see how touching something with vibration would really replace this.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:55:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Find a 12" MacBook and click the trackpad. Then shut down the computer and try clicking it. Your mind will be blown.
camdoodlebop ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 01:51:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Have you ever used be new MacBook track pads? They are really realistic
Dab0rDieTryin ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 01:55:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But do you know what's better than really realistic? Actual, real buttons
HviteKristsDod ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:56:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You've never used an rMBP, have you? The click feels incomparably better than, for example, the click on the Surface Book. Or any other laptop with a lever click, really.
Dab0rDieTryin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:46:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No I have, I just prefer real buttons. It's objective obviously so to each their own. Honestly with some of the changes on the iPhone 7, I might stick with getting the iPhone SE since I really liked the size of the iPhone 5. I just hate the fact that their removing the headphone jack so I can't listen to music and charge my phone at the same time.
RollTide09 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:58:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except those can break.
krackers ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:39:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can't vouch for the new mbp force-touch trackpad since I haven't used it for an extended period, but my mbp 2010 trackpad has slowly become less "clicky" to the point of sometimes missing clicks.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:04:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:51:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know but it somehow works (at least on the laptop). It feels nothing like a vibration.
FowD9 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:07:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
trust somebody that couldn't give two shits about apple's "innovations". it legit feels like a button. I only know because my work gave me a new macbook when I started (i'd have prefered a linux box, but whatever). If you didn't actually know, you'd have no idea that it wasn't a button. It's exactly the same as clicking a button, 100% in every way, feeling, sound, feeling like your thumb dipped down a millimeter, everything exactly the same. but it's not a button, it doesn't depress like a button, but it feels like a button. really it's that simple. they somehow managed to 100% imitate the feeling of pressing a button
if you don't believe me, just stop by a best by and try it yourself
ahairychest ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:29:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
vid.me/Fapy
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:49:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
See I thought this when I heard about Apple implementing the technology on the new MacBook, but then I got a Macbook Pro (without realising it also used the force touch) and had my mind blown when a month later realised that it doesn't actually click. It honestly feels just like a click.
ohio818 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 01:38:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It feels the same as a physical click on their laptops, yesโtotally agree. It feels nothing at allโnot even slightlyโlike a physical click on their phones.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:43:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Its not the same as 3D touch on iPhone 6S. iPhone 7 hasn't been released yet so we'll have to wait to see what it's like. (cant wait)
ohio818 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:14:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's the same Taptic Engine stuff. It feels like a click on a laptop because the vibration only pushes upward on your finger, which is simultaneously pushing down.
The same effect on a handheld device is almost impossible to engineer because the vibration reaches all parts of the hand that holds the phone. So you end up feeling it in front, in back, on the sides, etc. It's just not the same unfortunately.
It'll be an interesting market experiment on their part nonetheless.
meleesurvive ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:16:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You were at the event?
ohio818 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:35:56 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey down voters... The reviews are out. Like I said, feels nothing like a physical button on the iPhone 7: http://arstechnica.com/apple/2016/09/hands-on-with-the-iphone-7-a-brief-peek-at-the-wireless-future/
___cats___ ยท 136 points ยท Posted at 01:32:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apple doesn't invent new things. They take existing products and improve/change/re-market them. This has been their history from the beginning without fail. I say this as an Apple fan. They're not inventors. They're not creators. They're changers.
votingforjill ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 01:51:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed and Steve Jobs is a brilliant marketer and salesman.
BertitoMio ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 03:52:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have some news for you about Steve Jobs...
TimeTravelMishap ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:40:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He tried to reinvent the cure for cancer!
Spoiler alert-Didn't work out as well for him as reinventing tech did...
votingforjill ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:30:37 on September 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't tell me he is not around anymore.
BertitoMio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:54:18 on September 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's been a dead a week longer than when I originally posted my comment!
DraonEye ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:26:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're eventually going to say that they 'created the first dual-lens phone,' even though Huawei has been doing that for a while now.
Beefytaco97 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:28:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure LG had a similar phone with the exact same "3D photo" software bull crap Apple is trying to sell
rogue252 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:52:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
LG Thrill. Have one sitting in a drawer myself
Beefytaco97 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:03:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's what it was. Thank you.
___cats___ ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:32:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think they're known for saying they were the first to do something. They'll tout things as the best or new (for them) but I don't recall them claiming to be first with things.
TheGhizzi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:02:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My old iRiver would agree with you. Had a colorful screen before the ipod.
Edit: I must add that I'm 50/50 with that comment. Apple had been very innovative in the past but there were also products (or segments of a product) that was marketed as an Apple idea and "REVOLUTIONARY! " but was neither- as we all know.
___cats___ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:43:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Revolutionary doesn't necessarily mean new, and new rarely means never-before-seen.
TheGhizzi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:51:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree.
___cats___ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:54:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cool. Grab some pizza later?
TheGhizzi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:55:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Only as long as there's cuddling
FowD9 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:10:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
meh, they used to improve/change... not they do nothing more than stick "Apple" before the name and call it "innovation". They've fallen to just being copy cats trying to keep up with the competition but then acting like they invented something new
to quote myself from earlier today
SteelApple ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:05:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That sounds so inspiration.
wabojabo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:39:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And they have a shit ton on money for publicity and advertising. They know how to make you want to buy their stuff.
arkain123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:51:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's literally the exact same philosophy that made Japan a rich country.
NLJeroen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:30:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People don't want what you have, but why you do it. Find Simon Sinek on TED.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:43:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
NVMe and the A-series chips come to mind. Do you have any actual knowledge regarding this subject or are you just jumping on the bandwagon? Are you familiar with Darwin and the low-level architecture in macOS?
___cats___ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:53:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No bandwagon here. I'm a fanboy, but a realistic one. You've got fair points that I addressed in another reply:
Then someone brought up the Newton, I gave them credit, then asked for an example of a truly invented device that was successful.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:11:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you follow this logic virtually every company in the consumer tech world falls short of your standard.
You're just mistaken as to what resolution innovations in technology actually happen. Nobody set out to build an iPhone, there's a thousand independent pieces inside it that each had their own R&D history. Those are what you call "inventions".
a_o_a ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:51:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's a pretty broad generalisation there. It might appear that way to you, but that doesn't make it true.
epwnym ยท -20 points ยท Posted at 01:45:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is absolute horseshit and fucking offensive to the brilliant engineers and designers who work at Apple.
HIGH_ENERGY_MEMES ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 01:47:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol someone just got triggered.
___cats___ ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:00:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Calm down brother. Let me clarify. They do indeed invent and create parts of the whole, no doubt about that. They've done some amazing things in order to create the whole product. But show me one device they invented that hadn't been created by another company in some manner before them. I'm not even saying that's a bad thing. I see nothing wrong with taking existing items and improving upon them or changing them to suit a different or larger market.
kbotc ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:47:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apple Newton.
___cats___ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:19:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Point: /u/kbotc
Now name one that was successful.
kbotc ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:21:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm... I got nothing.
FowD9 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:11:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I really hope you dropped this, I found it on the floor next to you
MactheDog ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:34:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They invented touch screen smartphones and tablets. Look at alpha versions of Android, they were making a Blackberry clone until Apple invited them to code apps for the unreleased iPhone. It's why Jobs lost his mind over the whole deal, he felt betrayed.
___cats___ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:51:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They invented neither of those. What they DID do was make them better. They reimagined products that already existed both from a hardware and software perspective. They pioneered the concept of User Experience in the modern age.
Pre-iPhone touch screen phone example: HTC XDA, released in 2002 Pre-iPad touch screen tablet example: Fujitsu Windows XP Tablet, released in 2000
MactheDog ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:11:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do either of those examples have capacitive touch displays? That was the innovation.
___cats___ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:19:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The LG Prada did, which was released prior to the iPhone, but only nearly. And the Windows tablet did as well.
But that doesn't matter. Let's say Apple was the first to put a capacitive touch screen on a phone, that doesn't make them inventors. That's proves my point that they take an existing item (touch screen phone) and make it better (capacitive). So...I guess we agree? They innovated an existing product.
MactheDog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:29:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I guess we agree, but it really is a semantic thing. The first cellphone was still just a phone, not totally new, just improved version of a device that was invented in the late-1800s.
My position is that Apple changed and refined both of those products and concepts enough to take credit for inventing the modern smartphone and tablet. Every invention is built on top of previous inventions, but when someone steps outside and does something different and literally everyone copies them it should be acknowledged.
spasticpoodle ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 05:29:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They are the Thomas Edison of our time. Nothing is actually invented, just derived from other people's work, and then claimed to be an Apple invention.
From the beginning: GUI: Stolen from Xerox. Mouse, stolen from Xerox... Adding proprietary interconnects onto top spec hardware, stolen from Sony... Magnesium unibody construction, stolen from the Sony Vaio line of laptops... Their only TRUE innovation, was a digital music delivery system that was LEGAL, even though that was derivative of other existing services that launched before getting the legal issues handled first... I honestly think that iTunes is the only reason Apple is still in business today. Without iTunes, no one had a reason to buy an iPod. Without an iPod, no one had a reason to buy a Mac. Without a Mac and an iTunes music library, no one had a reason to buy an iPhone... and no one has a reason to buy an iPad, but they still do...
ownage516 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:35:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In their defense, the haptic touchpad thingy is pretty dope
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:50:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So apparently you're unaware their trackpads have done the same thing for a few years now, this is simply them using their technology in the phones now.
iakhre ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:29:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hell, my LG chocolate from 9? years ago had that functionality
trueluck3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:14:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I know right? Exact Same Thing
jonnyclueless ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:49:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That model doesn't do the same thing as this, not according to its specs.
ChrisManGuy ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:28:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Last time that was... when?
eSpiritCorpse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:07:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
3D touch? Did someone do that first?
ChrisManGuy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:49:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Huawei i think? Regardless its a feature that seems cool for the first month, then kinda irrelevant after
Leporad ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:42:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's the dumbest idea I've ever heard. That just takes up power...
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:44:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You have to admire their marketing. It's incredible. You're right, they recycle features that other devices came out with years ago, but they market it way better and do a great job of selling it. It reminds me of Siri. Siri was hyped up as being revolutionary, but at the same time Google had a pretty powerful voice recognition system, they just did a really terrible job of marketing it.
Of the six phones I've owned, I've only had one iPhone, and I didn't really care for it. I went back to Android after a year. I don't like the phones, but their marketing is superb.
tyy3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:46:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My favorite part was. It's the best iPhone yet..... NO SHIT
Jareh-Ashur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:53:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
HTC Ten here, yeah fam I feel you.
listen_louder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The way Phil kept going on about the "new feelings and experiences" you'd have with this button, I was afraid he was talking about a different button entirely...
DerpSenpai ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
and people cant also say the camera is new and the 1st ones to make as Huawei has done it with Honor and P9, but i think they werent the 1st's of course (well they got the 2x but its ugly af imo)
Serious_Coconut ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:13:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For real man, my OnePlus2 must be from the future because its button is something that "could not have been created before", yet here we are.
shredderrrrrr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:16:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or just keep doing what they're doing because it sure as fuck is working.
Imissmyusername ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:25:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The original fat ps3 had that touch sensitive button, I still have one, button stopped working in less than a year. The next generation of ps3 got rid of that button.
youlikeyoungboys ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:08:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you know anything about Apple's product history? Almost EVERYTHING they've produced is a slightly revamped and newly marketed version of someone else's product.
Renyx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:10:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My Droid Maxx does this, which is a few years old.
strugglz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:12:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wasn't there a fucking blackberry like 10-12 years ago that did this with the touch screen?
ControlLayer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:14:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like an artist's statement form a freshman...
ahairychest ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:26:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
or an LG volt...
veency ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:31:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My jail broken iPhone already has this feature...
spockspeare ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:42:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Phones have had vibrators in them for about 20 years.
Really? Apple is just getting around to this?
sygraff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:45:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In fairness though, the Oneplus 2 haptic feedback is not the same as the taptic engine. My Oneplus 2 is simply a phone vibrate, whereas the taptic engine on my MBP actually feels like a click. Now, whether or not the taptic engine in their laptops are the same as the one in the iPhone 7 remains to be seen.
BloodOnMySnuggie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:49:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't this just something that could kill the battery even faster?
iscrew4ners ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:50:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, Asus Zenfone as well, ($300 phone), released 1.5 years ago
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:30:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The keys on my Galaxy buzz when I press them, this is in no way a new development lol.
xAbednego ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:32:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
what is even the point?
gtobiast13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:43:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Great video by Tek Syndicate on how Apple hasn't really invented any hardware in the last few decades.
https://youtu.be/wFeC25BM9E0
freecreeperhugs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:13:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I intend this as non-biased as possible, but I think you'd find this video interesting (title: Has apple ever really invented anything?). I'd suggest watching it all, there's a really good point at the end.
Foreverevil316 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:29:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
With all the shit apple has been spewing recently, it seems they do not know what "revolutionary" means..
WhoWantsPizzza ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:40:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't understand the reason for this new Home button. What problems or complaints is it addressing?
HedonisteEgoiste ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:59:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Great, now we all have to have the fucking Force to use an iPhone.
QuantumQuantonium ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:14:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno about the feelings and expressions... Maybe Apple has become an English teacher?
Die4Ever ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:56:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
my eyes just rolled out of my head, how dramatically they speak about a new fucking button
hoodie92 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:06:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, he's talking about vibrating tactile feedback? The thing that pretty much every phone does when you type on the keyboard?
ClassyJacket ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:19:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They already have products out that use the Taptic engine and it's nothing like the vibration your phone has. It actually feels like you're physically clicking it down.
draemscat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:25:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know what Oneplus is, but I have that on my Meizu I bought a year ago for $150.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:59:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The home button statement actually just made me angry for how stupid that is.
3original5me ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:07:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Whoever created that phone must get pissed off with all the "why didn't you just call it a 3?" jokes
baneoficarus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:20:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Aren't all buttons "force sensitive"? Is that not what makes them buttons?
CoffeeAndKarma ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:46:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are they seriously trying to pass off the phone vibrating as a 'revolutionary new button'? They have become a parody of themselves. Seriously, my Android already vibrates the phone for feedback when I press buttons.
halvin_cobbes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As an iPhone user I have to say I do have a new feeling I have never gotten from a new iPhone concept before... Outright rage.
AWildAnonHasAppeared ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:46:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apple has been doing the haptic feedback way before Oneplus. They just never brought it to their phones.
bon_bons ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:50:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
lol i have a One Plus 2 and i read that and was like "wtf...must be talking about something different. This phone is just ok in terms of features" guess not!
mikaelfivel ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:01:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Said literally any and every Apple critic who's done even an hour's google search.
aheadwarp9 ยท 251 points ยท Posted at 01:20:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As an Android user, I had no idea what the hell this was in reference to... so I had to look it up... WTF?
Doctor-Amazing ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 01:55:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm still not clear. You can't plug headphones or speakers into iphones now?
Timett_son_of_Timett ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:10:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm in the same boat but I'd assume they're assuming everyone uses bluetooth speakers and headphones.
MrDannyOcean ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 03:31:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If I was gonna be an asshole, this is where I'd point out that people who work for (and obsess about) Apple are somewhat cult-like, and that they probably don't know anyone who uses a phone more than 12 months old, or drives a car more than 2 years old, or has equipment from (ewwww) a few years back. Of course everyone has bluetooth everything in their car and home speakers and headphones and of course everyone is used to upgrading devices that don't need fixing to have the latest gimmick. Everyone!
Of course that would just be a tremendous exaggeration. Maybe. Sort of. Not really?
lucidillusions ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:48:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But Apple's bluetooth was such a pain, oh you want to transfer an image from an android phone to an iPad? Both has bluetooth but the iPad won't accept a file.
Happened to us a few years back at a shoot. We had to mail the images instead with a shoddy network in the middle of nowhere.
oddjobbodgod ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:13:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At the end of the day, each new phone does come with an adapter to a normal headphone jack, so (for now) it doesn't really matter. I won't be buying one this year (for the first time in a few years) due to the massive price-hike in the U.K.
original-U1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:20:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes and no. I only use apple. My entire office is purely Apple. Some new staff have wanted PC and I have refused. I actually only know one person who has an android phone. I've been a "fan boy" since maybe 2002. I've liked Apple products because their operating system is far superior. The hardware is of good quality and Apple products last longer in general. It's just a better experience over all.
All that said, this is the first time I'm not getting the new iPhone. I already have a massive issue with the battery which I charge 3-4 times a day. Removing the Jack is simply put stupid. But although I'm not getting a new iPhone I wouldn't dream of getting an android phone. I'll just stick with my current iPhone 6.
RaginReaganomics ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 04:44:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You were gonna be an asshole, but instead you generalized the entire consumer base & employed population of the most successful/popular product company in the world as idiotic consumers, proving to the rest of us that you are in fact an asshole.
Orchid-Chaos_is_me ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:59:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you think this is Apple, you are far, far stupider than even the customer base of Apple as it was described.
MrDannyOcean ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:25:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
congrats, you noticed the obvious ironic litote I used. You win a prize!
The prize is learning a new word - litote.
Bonus points for getting into a nitpicky slapfight about whether I used 'irony' correctly in context. Super bonus points if you do the same about 'litote'.
RaginReaganomics ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:28:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dude you're fuckin weird
MrDannyOcean ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:36:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
it's fun, you should try it some time
RaginReaganomics ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:15:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm ok thanks
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:54:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So if Apple wasn't successful and popular, you'd be fine with all their consumers being called idiots? Shit logic mate.
RaginReaganomics ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:00:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How were you able to read it that way? I mean that Apple is popular therefore tons of people use their products, and OP just assumed they all have 2 year old cars with Bluetooth? Lol wtf?
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 05:32:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Surely you read the last line of their comment. Surely.
RaginReaganomics ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:39:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Surely I'm exaggerating, but not really?." Did you read it?
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 05:41:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
hurdur reading comprehension hurdur important skill
RaginReaganomics ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:46:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed dude, go get it
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:03:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was making fun of your likely argument, and you just proved my point.
GV18 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:46:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yup they assume everyone only uses Bluetooth, which is exactly why their including an adapter. For all those people who don't use Bluetooth. Even though there's none of them.
Incursus ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:09:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You have to use an included dongle now and plug into the lightning port.
No thanks.
JinxsLover ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:44:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"You can pay us a ton of $$ for the phone then you can pay us more for features we shouldn't charge you for" -Apple HQ
toastmannn ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:43:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Correct. Unless you buy a adapter, or do it wireless.
Jeush_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:23:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Right and wrong. Yes you need an adapter. No you don't have to buy it, as its included with the phone.
RecursiveHack ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:04:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not without an adapter, there won't be 3.5mm jack in the new iPhone
mtlyoshi9 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:28:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can only through the Lightning port.
aheadwarp9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:09:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not the 7, no.
Sabrielle24 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:12:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're replacing the current headphone jack with a lightning attachment and also selling bluetooth headphones for $169 a pop.
gpzal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:01:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
You can you just have to use the included adapter if you want to use anything 3.5mm.
majorgnuisance ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:43:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And then have an awkward mess in your pocket and be unable to charge and use your 3.5mm adapter at the same time.
Not to mention the likelihood of losing the adapter and having to buy a new one.
lll_lll_lll ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:05:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You wont even have to lose it in order to need to buy a new one. It is made with those fragile as fuck cable ends that the current chargers have.
They are either designed to fall apart and fray within a few months of mild use or apple is just too incompetent to design more robust ones.
gpzal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:15:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Loss is my biggest issue. I'm down two type-c adapters for my tablet.
RaginReaganomics ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 04:45:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've yet to lose a single charger, dongle, etc. for a device I've owned... how are you people losing your stuff so much?
EndgameArchitecture ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:19:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Living life, traveling, commuting, vacation, children...
OneDoesNotSimplyPass ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:58:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's called being a regular fallible human being
ofrance ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:28:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
AUKEY Bluetooth Receiver, Audio Music Adapter with Hands-free Calling for iPhone, Samsung and More https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00O8FYUJA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_4lq0xbW0HJD08
Fucking shit. Idiot
cest_va_bien ยท -26 points ยท Posted at 02:21:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Of course you can, the phone comes with an adapter for 3.5mm that works with the lightning connector. People here just seem to ignore that small fact. I'm not saying the lightning is perfect, but keeping an analog plug for the sake of convenience is not logical. Most devices will now interface audio and power through lightning/USB-C, thus aux cables will disappear in a few years.
edit: obviously got downvoted to oblivion, perhaps I came off to strong. I know that all headphones use 3.5mm, but it has to change inevitably. Might as well start now than later is what I meant. It's a pain in the ass but I think it will happen to other devices as well (hoping USB-C and not lightning). Would perhaps two plugs be a solution?
TheBestestLaCeleste ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:44:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In a FEW years the simplicity of Aux cables will disappear? Not likely...we'll see i guess.
That1one_guy ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 03:59:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
remember floppy disks?
acealeam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:18:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
okay, but i'm still not paying 160 for earpods.
RaginReaganomics ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:46:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody's asking you to
TheBestestLaCeleste ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:31:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
K. Same thing. Right.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:01:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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RufusMcCoot ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:04:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:02:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can you simultaneously charge the phone and listen to music, or does plugging in the adapter prevent you from being able to charge the phone?
RufusMcCoot ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:05:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nope, prevented
PolanetaryForotdds ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:05:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure there will be a $80 adapter for that.
Birata ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:27:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Don't forget that adapter and 3.5mm become a pretty long lever. The lightning port will not last very long in your pocket with that bending.
Which could be the whole idea - break it more often, so you can buy more often....
cest_va_bien ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:55:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The adapter will most likely be of the worst quality, much like all of their cables. Third party sources hopefully make something durable that can be left permanently on the headphones.
TheObstruction ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:36:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except that 99% of headphones use 3.5 mm plugs, and so does every audio device on earth that isn't made by apple.
[deleted] ยท 186 points ยท Posted at 01:56:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Today Apple announced the newest iPhone. It has no headphone jack. Android now has yet another great feature that Apple does not have.
kbotc ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 02:45:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Unless you've got Motorola's newest flagship which beat Apple to the punch.
Tavyr ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 03:42:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure Moto went back to the irrelevant tier along with Sony after Googs raided them for their patents and then sold them to Lenovo.
DelusionalSocialist ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:04:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Before being sold to Lenovo they made pretty solid phones. I'm pretty happy with my Moto X 2014 and was planning to go for a Motorola somewhere next year.
Obviously plans changed, Motorola in the hands of Lenovo is significantly worse.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:49:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, I'm still surprised whenever I hear them mentioned. As in 'oh really? They haven't gone bust / been bought yet?'
redbull123 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:39:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I find it funny that when Apple announced TouchID everyone was like "yeah but Motorola done it first with the Atrix" and now when it's pointed out that Motorola done this with the Droid it's just ignored or answered with "yeah but Motorola is shit"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:01:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This what made apple as a company. Mouse? Check. Graphical user interface? Check. MP3 player? Check. Many, many other things? Check.
redbull123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:28:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't follow your point?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:28:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This happened with all of the features that I mentioned. Apple wasn't the first for any of those things. Now the companies they took them from are no where near where apple is now.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:59:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Typical apple. Always stealing ideas.
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 03:01:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Android phones don't even have to innovate to keep me on their platform. They just have to not remove highly-desired, useful features like a fucking headphone jack.
mtlyoshi9 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:33:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sadly, that probably won't last long on Android now that's Apple's gone that way - just like removable batteries and expandable storage.
BORT_licenceplate27 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:36:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's so many manufacturers that run Android OS. I can't imagine every single one will take out something as key as the headphone jack
mtlyoshi9 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:39:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, certainly not every single one. But in the next 2-3 years? Probably most major ones will.
solepsis ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:38:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Moto Z got rid of the headphone jack months ago. Why does everyone act like an android phone didn't do this first?
meatSaW97 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:12:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because Motois irrelevant?
allisonwonderland00 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:52:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most important comment in this thread.
cartermatic ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:55:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For now, until the Galaxy S8 or S9 removes it as well.
BertitoMio ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:53:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If only there were other companies that make Android phones...
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:16:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but Samsung has a HUGE share of the market.
Tavyr ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:43:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not while Sammy sees that it could a marketing advantage. Could be "Still the big thing" alongside their "Next big thing" campaign
blackrobe199 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:10:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you so, so, so, so, so, so, so much.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:44:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're so, so, so, so, so, so, so welcome.
kehboard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:38:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I really, really, really like this image
DanceWithEverything ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:56:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not every Android--Motorola did also did away with the aux jack instead using USB-C for audio.
Android has an enormous fragmentation problem and it'll keep me with Apple short of them removing the screen.
IamZag ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:36:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Great is the wrong word, more like, obsolete. Give it a year or two and all phones will ditch the headphone jack.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:51:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It depends on the user. Some people really depend on it. It's certainly likely that all phones down the road will ditch it but I hope it's a long while from now.
23569072358345672 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:05:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Android is software it has no hardware features.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:22:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It kinda does. To name one, NFC is Android exclusive. There are many, go research.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 07:01:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:48:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Check your facts.
ProfessorWeeto ยท -29 points ยท Posted at 03:04:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And yet the iPhone and iOS is still miles better than anything Android. Enjoy your lack of updates, uglier thicker phones, slow as fuck OS even on "flagship" devices and exploding batteries that require global recalls
Baltowolf ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:16:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
LUL. Fanboy. Lack of updates? Who needs updates when the freaking OS works? I'm confused on this part. Uglier thicker phones? Wtf man? My phone is fine. I have a Moto G 3rd Gen why would I want anything thinner? How the heck do you hold that crap? Don't you just buy a case to make it thicker?? I have no case and it's comfortable. I drop it and the whole thing doesn't shatter either lul. Slow AF? Wut. Works fine for me...
I will enjoy my expandable memory and not being forced into using their crap.
And btw my battery doesn't explode and my phone isn't recalled. Just like hundreds of other Android phone models that give you so much variety to choose from. Don't like the Samsung phones like myself? Get a different one. Can't do that with Apple. Rofl.
FrostSalamander ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:42:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh no not this again
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:55:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Get a Nexus. Problem solved.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:20:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Miles better than the bottom of the barrel el cheapo Android phone from the Walmart clearance isle, yes, totally, but don't hate until you try a nexus. It's a pure Android experience on solid hardware. I get updates way quicker than any apple device does.
Say-no-more ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:58:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a Nokia C1-01 user, same.
Samurai_Shoehorse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:56:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What is it in reference to?
aheadwarp9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:09:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
iPhone 7 announcement... Apparently they got rid of the headphone jack.
Pr0x1mo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:56:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What is this in reference to? I'm lost.
aheadwarp9 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:08:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
iPhone 7 announcement... Apparently they have removed the headphone jack.
CaptainCazio ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 07:03:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How can you be so oblivious to this when it has been rumored for probably a year now...guess some people just don't keep up with technology.
aheadwarp9 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:00:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why would I keep up with Apple rumors when I don't buy their products? Personally, I don't give a shit what the next iPhone does or doesn't have, because I'm not getting one either way.
Kwiatkowski ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 01:32:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey! Windows phones have it too!
Samura1_I3 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:45:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're goddamn right.
PM_ME_UR_YOGA_BOOTY ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:30:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey! Blackberry has it too.
ForeverFun ยท 83 points ยท Posted at 00:25:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't this one of those "An android phone did this first" things too?
nicademuss ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 01:17:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, so it's not revolutionary. But it's still a stupid design decision.
IngsocInnerParty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:01:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not stupid, just slightly too early. People reacted the the same way when the first iMac didn't have a floppy drive and the CD-ROM drive wasn't writeable. You literally had no way to get data off the device out of the box without some sort of external drive. They still sold millions.
Side note: Steve Jobs cried backstage before the iMac reveal because they weren't able to source slot-loading cd drives instead of the tray variety and no one bothered to tell him.
am0x ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Until 2018.
Shrinks99 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:14:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When everyone will be using proprietary lightning headphones?
am0x ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:31:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thing is that it still has Bluetooth, so you can still use that. Your aren't required to use lightning.
Thomjones ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 02:42:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's like you're telling me I'm not required to get fucked in the ass, I can get fucked in the face instead.Yeah cuz that's what I wanted to do. I wanted to buy a new pair of bluetooth headphones. This fucking wired pair I paid good money for...fuck it right? Or y'know, my car stereo that doesn't have bluetooth. I guess fuck driving around listening to music while charging my phone. Maybe I'm just being dramatic but it's a bizarre design decision. Making all these adapters and shit is gonna save them money in the long run?
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:51:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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PirateNinjaa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:00:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then they're idiots, wires suck.
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PirateNinjaa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:18:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Charging daily is no big deal, just do it while you sleep. I would rather have that small inconvenience while I don't use than the inconvenience of wires whenever I want to listen to something. Sound quality gets better all the time and will be lossless soon enough.
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PirateNinjaa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:42:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mine sounds good and last six hours, I hate wires so much I would just buy two pairs if I needed to listen to them all day at work for eight hours.
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PirateNinjaa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:58:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
http://aftershokz.com/collections/all/products/trekz-titanium
I hate things in/on my ears too.
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PirateNinjaa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:53:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Funny enough when I don't want to hear stuff around me I like them with earplugs more than regular headphones and music is pretty good. Most of my listening with them is podcasts and audio books though. I like music through car or home stereo more than earphones.
MLG_SlashySouls ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:16:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't see the 3.5 mm jack going away in favor of something wireless. There may be a better wired way to listen to audio that becomes public standard, but the choice to use wired or wireless connections have both positives and drawbacks.
Bluetooth requires syncing (I know this isn't every time), being the only one with the connection saved (if you want to reliably connect), puts more strain on your battery, and has an inherent latency. Not to mention the fact that you have to charge the device you're using regularly. I don't want to have another device I have to plug in every single night.
Wired requires you to stay connected to what you're using, the wires could be damaged, and the wires can be messy.
I could use bluetooth for my speakers, car, and several other devices but I still choose to use auxiliary because it's a better experience for me. I'm fine with wires. I'm not fine with having to mess with settings regularly when there's another option.
Tl;dr: There's no way wired connections will get phased out in our lifetime when it comes to music.
chinkostu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:54:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have bluetooth speakers and every now and again they'll kick up a stink and refuse to connect. The wifes last car had a bluetooth stereo in and it never worked right.
The only issue so far with wires is interference from the phone connecting to masts!
chinkostu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:52:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not everyone out there has a USB input in their car, or the money to retrofit that into their car.
I'm happy rocking the old unit in my car seeing as it supports the CD changer and the steering wheel controls, and it fits the dash properly.
If I were to part it out for a bluetooth/usb deck i'd have to buy an adaptor to fit it in the car, an adaptor to get the wheel controls to work and try and find a unit that supports the changer or bin a perfectly good one.
apawst8 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:12:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can't continually design for the past. I've never owned a car that had even an Aux input. What did I do? I bought an aftermarket head unit that had an Aux input (and Bluetooth). Then, when I upgraded to a phone that had Bluetooth, I was able to choose between Aux and Bluetooth.
chinkostu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:19:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i'd say it's not an expense everyone can make, but if you're buying an iPhone 7 then it could be!!
It's not really the past either, moreso it's a standard that hasn't needed updating. Phasing out for better mediums of storage etc is fine (VCR/DVD combos!) but this is like removing the UK 3 pin power plug and expecting everyone to just lump it with whatever standard they pick instead!
apawst8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:24:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When you're talking about car stereos, it's not a new standard. Bluetooth is common in cars and will be available with the new iPhone.
This change has a much greater effect on the headphone market (which is largely wired) than the car market, where Bluetooth is either already available or an easy upgrade (cheaper than a new phone).
Beerand93octane ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:09:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is the changer in the dash? You just get a double din and replace everything the screen flips up then there's a cd drive. The improved audio quality will probably make you forget all about those steering wheel controls.
chinkostu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:49:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Its a 1.5din fascia, then the actual radio itself is 1 din, it's hard to describe but to fit a 1 din you get an adaptor that fills in the space upfront, for a 2 din you'll be hacking away the ducting for the heaters
The changer is in the boot, OEM fitment. And the wheel controls you could probably forget about except they're quite useful for when you're driving, as the radio requires a slight lean to reach for me!!
Plus it's a car made in 1994, flashy radios just look wrong in the dash ๐ the only real fix to get bluetooth is to fit one of those Yatour units in place of the cd changer, if I can find one to fit a 22 year old plug!
I'd love to put a decent bluetooth unit in one day, but for the cost i may as well buy 100 cd's and carry them around!!
Thomjones ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:11:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just didn't like how that guy phrased it.
What I mean by saving money is they're spending money having to make all these adapters. If the design is successful and people buy the phones anyway, they're still making loads of profit off each phone. So I'm not sure if the cost of the adapters is negligible in the long run or not.
Jawileth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:35:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit you need to relax. All he implied is you don't need lightning proprietary headphones. He never said he agrees or disagrees with design change. You also look like an idiot when you reply like that whether you're right or wrong
Thomjones ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:38:45 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But if you only have wired headphones you HAVE to use the lightning port. He specifically said the port. Not lightning headphones. Anyways, this is reddit, I'm just fitting in.
Jawileth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:43:12 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All I'm gonna say is I can't argue with the last thing you said haha
CobraCabana ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:45:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, calm down. You can buy whatever you want to. It's going to be okay.
am0x ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:49:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well Apple is know for pushing tech or banning old tech to accelerate a transition. It is to their advantage. I mean look at flash.
That being said, most cars in America that are less than 3 years old have Bluetooth built in. This will only make manufacturers want to include it more. While a year ago I would have said 5-6 before this transition, I'm going to say it will be the norm in 2-3 years with all phones. I mean it has been over a year since I have used wired headphones for my phone or had to hook up an aux cord. It's the future whether you want it or not. Hopefully we will be fully wireless within the next 8 years.
Thomjones ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:13:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but will audio quality improve by then is the question.
am0x ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:45:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Of course it will. Jaybirds and Sennheisers sound very good.
Shrinks99 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:21:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep but that's just another thing to charge and personally I never had issues with a wire.
am0x ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:43:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yea personally. Personally I do unless I am sitting at home or at work, at which I am listening on my computer and not my phone. I only listen to my phone when traveling around.
cIockworks ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:21:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, one Android phone removed the headphone jack this year. But unlike the iPhone, there are many different Android phones and you have choices, albeit the number of good choices is very small.
_Gondamar_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:42:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also the only reason why Motorola got rid of the headphone jack was because of the rumours that Apple was ditching it. They wouldn't have done it otherwise.
spockspeare ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:50:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In this case, Android is doing it last, and it's going to sell Android phones.
User839 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:41:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Motorola moto Z yeah, but it does come with an adapter... Hopefully they are changin back again soon.
1N54N3M0D3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:16:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, the first android phone didn't even have a headphone jack, so I guess They would be the first to do that.
apawst8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:09:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's one of those "Apple can do no right" things. If this fails (which is pretty likely), the common thinking becomes, "Apple tried to pioneer this stupid idea and it failed just like everyone thought it would.
If it succeeds and almost every Android becomes wireless in a few years, the common thinking will become, "Apple can't innovate anything, Moto Z was first."
sungazer69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:07:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yup. And I don't wanna buy that one either lol.
Forever_Man ยท 313 points ยท Posted at 22:45:21 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have a few friends who are big into audio who will probably go to android for this reasons
[deleted] ยท 236 points ยท Posted at 22:46:59 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I use my phone for my: car tape-deck audio, gym music, and studying music at the library. It's on 8 hours a day minimum. I need the jack.
waterbuffalo750 ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 23:06:26 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tape deck? Wow. Nice.
Wynter_born ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 01:04:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same here, cd and tape deck, no aux - although I found a neat and strange device in the clearance bin of a truck stop: a bluetooth tape adapter. It has a little section on the side that faces front with a power switch and charge port, plus a corner that opens up to let out a little mic on a tiny cable.
I picked it up for $10 and bought a $5 right-angle usb cable, then trimmed it down with a razor so it could fit when my car sucks the tape in. It's the weirdest stretch of retro adaptation, like a M.2 floppy drive. I dig it.
justfarmingdownvotes ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:39:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRIswrodoM8
Easy mod if you're technical enough. Really clean audio too
Kind of a generic mod
Wynter_born ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:52:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
It's weird, I'm really technical but I cringe at taking off car panels and things like that.
I won't hesitate to disassemble a PC or solder*(corrected) a new connection on my shitty loose audio out port on a stereo, but I am so convinced I will fuck up my car that I am afraid to change the oil or fix my off-track back window.
TheBestestLaCeleste ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:37:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Solder** not sauter.
Wynter_born ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:11:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Technically correct, the best kind of correct!
TheBestestLaCeleste ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:31:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I also love futurama
justfarmingdownvotes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:41:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Think of it like this
you drive it into the mechanic and some student getting paid minimum wage takes the panes apart with their greasy hands.
It's meant to be taken apart, just as how it was assembled. Don't be scared. Unless your car is pretty new (say 5 yrs old?) then maintenance is usually covered by the dealer
donny007x ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:39:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Engine/bodywork stuff can be scary, but interiors are easy to work on.
The panels are designed to come apart in a certain way, just like how computer components are installed in a certain order...
There are many guides/videos available on the subject of installing stereos and taking interiors apart.
Swapping your stereo for a new one with Bluetooth is not all that hard to do.
You mentioned that your car has a tape deck, so its probably more than ~12 years old. Back then they didn't do the 'infotainment' thing where climate control and other vehicle stuff is blended together with the radio. Swapping the deck should be easy.
antifolly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:39:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see a picture of that, please.
Wynter_born ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:23:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
http://imgur.com/XehPz4H
Here you go. It's redneck-rigged and I just realized half the mic casing broke, but it works great.
Astrangerindander ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:02:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Op delivers. Today all our radios broke so i found this baige, gross 1990s sony amfm cassette radio and a tale to aux adapter. Plugged into my phone for google music streaming. That was also a weird mix of tech generarions.
rebo2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:56:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty cool.
gentlecrab ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:02:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can always use one of these: https://www.amazon.com/FlexSMART-Bluetooth-Transmitter-Multipoint-Hands-Free/dp/B003PPGOC0/ref=sr_1_16?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1473303662&sr=1-16&keywords=fm+bluetooth+transmitter
No wires or anything. Uses the FM radio to play audio through the car speakers.
Wynter_born ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:08:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I tried one of those but there are so few unoccupied stations near me that I was having to change frequencies depending on which side of town I was on.
PublicDomain3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:49:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
DUDE. This tape deck/bluetooth adapter. changed my life hands down
Boo_R4dley ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 00:47:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
The adapter literally comes in the box. It still has the jack.
Edit: Since everyone is posting the same thing I'll post things I've said elsewhere in the thread.
I agree that the current lack of ability to charge with headphones of any kind plugged in is a massive and stupid oversight. I suspect a replacement pair of EarPods and 3.5mm adapter with a lighting passthrough added will be made before the end of the year.
I'm not saying they did it right, but I think the lack of 3.5mm jack is far more trivial than anyone makes it out to be, especially since a great many people outraged about it are using Android phones and weren't planning on buying an iPhone anyway.
aaanold ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 01:39:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes but what about when you want to charge and listen at the same time?
Boo_R4dley ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:45:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's the one issue I have with it, the Lightning port is small enough they should have easily been able to include what would essentially be a pass through port for charging. I suspect a new cable will come out in a few months and will be made available as a replacement to owners because that is a massive and stupid oversight.
Generally I would think there'd be enough battery life, but if you use your phone as GPS and have it plugged into the aux port in your car that creates a problem.
aaronjaymus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:53:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It just doesn't make sense. How do ideas like that get pushed through?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:02:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The iPhone 9 is going to have the removal of the Lightning port with a push into wireless charging.
Boo_R4dley ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Something else that they desperately wanted to fit in there without making it any bigger. I actually saw someone call it massive and bulky compared to the Note 7 which is 5mm narrower and shorter.
I also saw someone speculate that it's actually to prepare us for whatever they have planned next year. Get the outrage out of the way now so it doesn't overshadow an amazing feature.
The reality is that there's a crazy engineering decision we'll only ever get pieces of combined with the Lightning port licensing.
aaronjaymus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:52:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So as a customer, I get a pretty big inconvenience in exchange for a new exciting piece of technology, in the future, that I'm not sure I want and I definitely didn't ask for. Count me out. I was on the fence about going back. This business decision by Apple made it a much easier decision.
Boo_R4dley ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:58:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And that's perfectly fine, you're entitled to it. It seems as though people are posting that it's a bad idea for everyone, when that simply isn't the case.
ImKindaHighBut ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:35:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
...then you don't buy it.
rowdypolecat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:01:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure 3rd parties will make adapters that will connect and have a jack and another lightning pass through. Though that should be what the initial design for the adapter should have been anyways.
buzzbros2002 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:50:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or charge while using a Square credit card reader?
guardsanswer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:38:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Motorola made this exact change with the Moto Z and I figured it wouldn't be a huge problem either. However, I've found that if you leave the adapter attached to your headphones or the aux cord in your car you then can't listen to music.
TheBoraxKid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:47:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But it's on for 8 hours a day. So unless it will have a charger splitter he will be sol
Team_Braniel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:55:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My life needs no adapter.
I deserve to be dongle free.
captaindigbob ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:29:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How do you charge at the same time?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:00:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, the problem with it being an adapter--even though it is included--is adapters get lost, forgotten, break, etc. They're only $9 in the store right now, so additional ones are not that big of a deal.
The bigger question is what will happen in 2-3 years? The next iPhone could very well not come with an adapter. They could stop making the adapter all together. They could stop allowing licensees from using analog-out on lightning products.
What is the quality of the DAC in the adapter? There really isn't much of any room in the adapter for many of the higher-quality DACs. I'm by far the most curious to see an iFixit teardown of the adapter.
yodels_for_twinkies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:42:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
you can't charge the phone and listen to it at the same time.
Boo_R4dley ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:56:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Which I agree is stupid, but I am betting will cause a replacement cable to be made sooner rather than later. I'm sure the media grilled the demo personnel about it and I guarantee they do some kind of exit survey.
Should it have been there from the start? Absolutely, but less people will miss it than we imagine.
duckstaped ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 01:29:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think a lot of people are panicking without realizing that if they use the 3.5mm jack, they will still be perfectly able to continue using it on the 7
greenphlem ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 01:32:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And when we want to charge while listening? Then what?
justfarmingdownvotes ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:38:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
$200 accessory splitter ofc
BGYeti ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:38:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
$60 please, here is a dongle that lets you do both
shadow_shooter ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:46:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or think of long phone conversations and you need to use the headphones. You can no longer talk on the phone while the phone is charging. Oh yeah of course I can pay 150 more to get wireless buds. Goddammit.
spoonman33 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:37:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You'll have to buy the $29.99 splitter of course.
DenigratingRobot ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:14:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Use a battery case like a ton of people already do? As someone who refuses to use wireless headphones since the audio quality sucks and has thousands of dollars worth of high-end headphones, I'm not bothered by Apple removing the aux jack at all. If anything I'm really excited about not having to carry around a potable amp anymore just to power my daily-use headphones.
greenphlem ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:22:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What? With a battery case, you won't be able to plug in your headphones..
DenigratingRobot ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:25:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Umm yes you can
greenphlem ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:31:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's for the iPhone 6
Why should I have to pay for a peripheral to regain a feature I can get in the previous generations.
DenigratingRobot ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:41:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then don't buy the phone if it doesn't work for you. Seriously, stop whining about something that doesn't impact you at all.
Oh, and android did it first with the Moto Z. Plus it's a continuing trend with new device tumors. Enjoy the future.
[deleted] ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 01:37:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:38:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
all the fucking time. every time I am driving my car. Every time I am listening at my desk.
Ricardotron ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 01:43:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You seriously need to charge your phone all the fucking time?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:48:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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DenigratingRobot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:50:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But the new 7 is supposed to have a few hours better battery life when doing that. So it might be a non-issue for like 99% of people.
I'm tired of all the fake outrage at something that hasn't even been tested or launched yet.
evilmnky45 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:01:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wouldnt it be nice to charge my phone when i would like and not be hampered by limitations?
Ricardotron ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:11:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh for sure. I'm not disagreeing at all. I'll speak for myself when I say in terms of everyday use, I'm not always in need of a charge and think, while it is hindering, wouldn't bother too much in my day-to-day.
zennX ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:40:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Almost consistently if I'm not at home, I'm a music student and musician, unless my ears are otherwise needed I am listening to music. I also carry a wireless charger so i can charge on the go and there lies the problem
Ricardotron ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:45:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fair enough. I guess I see it as if I'm not at home I'm not charging my phone (don't have a wireless charger).
L00niTICK ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:38:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Every single night? And fuck using the phone speakers to listen to music, those speakers are utter trash.
sta7ic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:48:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
charge your phone and listen to music with wired headphones at the same time.
Oh wait, you can't.
rustybuckets ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:20:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's an adapter.
HanzoHouse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:46:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tape-deck audio? Time to get rid of any input and go straight FM/AM only you futurist.
screamingtrees ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:26:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
good ol car tape-deck audio.
cuntweiner ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:45:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think you should just join us in 2016 instead
intergalactictiger ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:56:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So you have several hundred dollars for a brand new phone but don't have a hundred dollars for a stereo?
[deleted] ยท -49 points ยท Posted at 23:10:44 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I use my phone for my 8-track in dash audio and playing music through my Edison phonograph at home.
It's called modernizing dumbass.
[deleted] ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 23:21:15 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm poor. My car is old. It only has a tape player. So I have a tape player to aux converter
freezeman1 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:47:29 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is every car I've ever owned.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:58:50 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same here but I felt the need to justify it with "poor" seeing as the person I was reposing to had no concept of such a device.
freezeman1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:14:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No worries. I am also a poor bro.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:18:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
'99 Honda checking in, with a cassette tape adapter plugged into my phone every day.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:42:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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guardsanswer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:43:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, you can get a new radio put into the dash of your old car for a little over $100 that has an aux port in it. I did this for my '98 Buick LeSabre a while back
omegablue333 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:46:30 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow are you the moron. Calling someone a dumbass when you can't even understand a hardwired connection will always sound better with a decent pair of headphones then over Bluetooth. Instead of being a fanboy and calling people names, why don't you learn a thing or two about audio technology and stfu
CorporalCauliflower ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:31:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Asshole. You know not everyome can just go out and afford a newer car. Or a car at all. I have nothing to my name except an 83 new yorker and it has a tape deck. So sorry I can't just go to the dealership and buy a new car because i haven't had everything handed to me.
Seriously, you should just never comment if you're gonna be so insulting. Learn what it's like to live without your parents money and maybe you'll humble yourself to the point of feeling bad.
Do_Ya_Like_Dags_ ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 01:13:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Not everyone can afford new cars and other nice things!"
posted from my $1000 phone
CorporalCauliflower ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:22:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You live in a world where people pay money for phones instead of using a plan? Alright, well I live in the real world where we just pay for our phone bill and upgrade our phone at no cost out of pocket.
Please, continue. I enjoy people completely clueless to the lower scocio-economic classes.
antsugi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:55:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
the phone is the hub, the auxiliaries need to be up to par before the hub makes a change. Apple benefits by now having to make people choose between their products or dealing with the shit Android can give users. Dedicated Apple users don't want to do that, so Apple cashes in a lot harder per customer.
It's a shame, Apple has really nice and innovative technology, but it's a very king-of-the-hill sort of club where you need the whole package to truly enjoy all it offers
[deleted] ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 01:25:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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standbyforskyfall ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:58:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
right until it bootloops 2 months later
firelion ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:36:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Never buying another LG phone after two LG g4s bootlooped.
ctandthefairypatrol ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:16:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's what it was? Never knew there was a a term for it. I too went through two G4s. Didn't know LG was notorious for that. Is that a software issue? Are there phones getting better?
firelion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:03:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yea the g4 has a hardware issue that guarantees it will get stuck in a boot loop, just a matter of when. There is a subreddit here called r/lgg4 and it was flooded with bootloop posts.
I dunno about their other phones but the way LG handled a defect this bad made me not want to give them anymore of my money.
ctandthefairypatrol ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks. Ya that is super annoying and disappointing because I am a big fan of the phone. Probly the best phone I've used. I might give the V20 at shot given the Samsung recalls.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:55:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Better yet the Axon 7 has insane audio quality.
derek_j ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:59:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Look up the specs for the V20. It's being marketed as the phone for audiophiles. I even saw a review that said it'll be the best quality in a portable music player that you could get without spending $3000 on those new Sony Walkmans.
blamb211 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would say wait for the Pixel phones coming out. I've been loving my Nexus 6P, stock Android is awesome.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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blamb211 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:26:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can understand no SD card, it's disappointing for sure, but a removable battery isn't that big a deal for me. I'm willing to overlook it.
OlDirtyFester ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:55:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Is the v20 really good? Cause I have a v10 and audio is definitely not it's strong suit
Edit: To be clear, I was talking about the actual phone speakers and got confused for a bit when the DAC came into play, I know it's not used for the actual phone speakers and I responded without thinking.
IhamAmerican ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:04:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe something is up with yours. Or are you just not turning on your DAC setting when you listen to music? Mine sounds phenomenal.
OlDirtyFester ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:30:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've had 2 and granted with the hifi on it sounded decent on both, I guess I just got spoiled with the Sony Xperia z3v dual front facing speakers.
true_school ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:34:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
You can't judge a DAC by how the tiny speakers on a cellphone sound. It's like listening to high end speakers on youtube... through... your speakers....
bisselstyle9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:57:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The DAC isn't in use if you're using the onboard speakers.
OlDirtyFester ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:05:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
You're right, i don't know why I associated it with the phones speakers even though I know it only comes on once I plug in my headphones or an aux cord. That was my bad. I also thought in the original comment I commented on, the guy was just talking about the v20 phone in general, not when headphones are plugged in. I like my v10, I just think the phones speaker sucks.
mon01ith ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:48:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes absolutely. The DAC going into that phone is phenomenal.
lit0st ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 01:37:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think anyone who's big into audio should be balking at using a line-out dock instead
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 02:01:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
By big into audio he means they own a pair of Klipsch headphones and like to make fun of beats.
CeReAL_K1LLeR ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:27:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's kind of the point... isn't it? If you're in to audio, you're probably already carrying multiple devices/cables. Adding another isn't much of a selling point.
C_Babbage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:31:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can vouch for this. As someone who actually is big on audio, I carry a Dragonfly Red USB DAC and a lightning adapter to plug my ATH M70X headphones into. It sounds better than any phone 3.5mm jack because nearly all phones have subpar DACs.
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mattheiney ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:56:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That will be me. Even though I don't listen to music on my phone if I want high quality I still don't want it to sound completely terrible compared to my desktop setup. I will have to switch to android when it is time to upgrade.
NeckbeardVirgin69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:29:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm planning on buying the 6S soon.
smash_you2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:09:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't say I'm "big into audio". But I literally use my phone as my music player. My current iPhone(5) will likely be the last Iphone I ever own
I always figured changing from the iOS ecosystem to android would be somewhat of a hassle. But less of a hassle than requiring an adaptor to have the functionality of a headphone jack.
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Forever_Man ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:35:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They don't. One is a semi-professuonal DJ
itsmellslikecookies ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:27:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't want to get an Android because I like how my Apple products play together. But man, I need my analog audio port.
mikaelfivel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:02:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was one of the reasons i was happy to ditch iPhone for Android. Poweramp playing my FLAC library off of an SDCard, yeah.
jdb12 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:23:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
iPhone can't play FLAC anyway
mr_krink1e ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:28:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
HTC 10 went big with a 24 bit dac whereas iPhone removed the dac completely lolz
cyan2k ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:30:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but lightning bypasses whatever shitty DAC is in the phone. The new Audeze Sine lightning headphones have their own DAC which is far far better than everything else on the mobile market.
mr_krink1e ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:59:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Too bad iPhone is the only thing with a lightning port, if it was type c which is quickly becoming the standard, it'd make more sense. Can't imagine how Shitty the dac must be in that $9 dongle.
pmdevita ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:29:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There are a few android with great DACs. The LG G5 has a module with a high end one, the HTC 10 (which I am using right now) has a nice one, and the LG V20 coming out soon will have a good one too.
Forever_Man ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:34:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The V10 has great DAC as well. That's what I'm using
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:49:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know morons who'll spend $160 on those airpods instead of bluetooth headphones. Can we trade friends?
cyan2k ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:31:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know that I'm in the minority, and I understand why everyone is pissed, heck I've got plenty of high end headphone gear which I can't use with the new iPhone anymore without a probably shitty adapter, but I'm somehow still okay with the change... perhaps I'm just crazy?!
The reason I got an iPhone after years of Android was the superior DAC the iPhone had. It isn't perfect but far better than what every other phone had.
The fact that audio over lightning is digital and bypasses whatever shitty DAC is in the phone is a huge game changer. Everyone who listened to Audeze headphones knows how audio orgasmic their stuff is, and their Audeze Sine lightning headphones have their own DAC, and you can bet your ass that their DAC is far far better than everything else available on the mobile market which means more clarity, better resolution and higher volume without distortion.
I really am looking forward to high end mobile audio quality that wasn't possible until now.
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warlock-punch ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:10:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most audiophiles would either use a standalone USB DAC or take it directly from the headphone output into a portable headphone amp. Headphones having a built-in DAC will likely just be overpriced and not sound very good in comparison to a standalone unit.
HubbaMaBubba ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:15:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, that's why /r/headphones has a hate thread about this.
DuoThree ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:04:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But also making them more expensive and heavier
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:16:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Couldn't you already do that on Android with a USB-C from your phone to your DAC?
baildodger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:09:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh perfect, a higher current draw, so it uses the battery faster. It's fine, I'll just put it on charge.... Oh wait. I can't. I really feel like I'm living in the future.
Coolflip ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:12:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People have never gone to Apple for their audio. Even ever since the original iPod, they have never offered a custom EQ. A fucking music listening device that doesn't let you change how the music sounds.
If you don't know how to tune an EQ, learn. It will then your shitty $20 earbuds into Bose.
PirateNinjaa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:56:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Prepare for this trend to follow to all flagship androids within a year or two.
Kvahsir ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:43:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
LGV20 should be their new best friend then.
Considering buying it just to use it as a MP3 player.
avboden ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:52:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If they're "big into audio" then they'd appreciate the better audio quality over a digital output and a better wireless standard.
derzaub ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 23:37:50 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Big into audio" and running their fancy 500$ headphones off a cheap/weak phone DAC? Seriously? Audiophiles will be the community least affected by this.
Tiny311 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:48:14 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure if youre being serious or not...
Investing $500+ into a setup for a commute only to not be able to use it and be told to buy a second pair of lesser headphones for your phone that doesnt need a dac or buy bluetooth headphones will greatly effect them.
I know a lot of people that have a weak dac for their phones for the commute but have a better setup at work, and dont feel like investing in multiple sets of headphones.
Do_Ya_Like_Dags_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:14:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like anyone dragging around a DAC probably won't care about one more adapter.
throwawayfume10 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 01:01:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I dont know a single audiophile who listens to music on their phone.. they use hifi "Mp3" players attached to dac/amps
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:22:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lots of budget audiophiles listen to music on their phone. All but the most finely attuned ears with super pricey equipment can't tell the difference between lossless and 320kbps. You can get pretty good sound with a phone and entry-level audiophile headphones ($100-200).
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:51:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Plus, this opens the door to headphones which have their own built-in DAC, and possibly their own built-in amp! Pretty cool if you ask me. Meanwhile I'm over here with my Axon 7, and my external USB DAC connected via an Android OTG adapter.
1MillionMonkeys ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:11:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Audeze is already making headphones like that and they have been since before this announcement. I listened to a pair at my local Hi-Fi shop and they sounded great (but were more than I'm currently interested in spending).
JasonsBoredAgain ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:10:41 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have a few friends that don't lick windows that went to Android YEARS ago...
hal9000cave24 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:25:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
lick ?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:39:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah I'm pretty sure you just made that up.
Do_Ya_Like_Dags_ ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 01:11:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A phone was never a good environment for critical listening or audiophiles. Kind of a dumb argument imo.
Most audio guys I know just have an ipod classic with a mobile preamp for any on the go listening.
5hillary3linton ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:40:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That requires carrying an entirely separate device on top of the preamp
Do_Ya_Like_Dags_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:45:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, but there are also plenty of preamps which bypass the onboard DAC altogether and just use lightning.
5hillary3linton ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:28:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're limiting yourself then and Apogee aside, there aren't a whole lot of great DAC with lightning on board.
am0x ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:52:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you are big into audio, you aren't listening to music on your phone for quality...
TEMPORAL_TACO_TAMER ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:22:05 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pls no. Now I have to listen to the 'the x phone was so much better you dont even know'.
RoIIerBaII ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:42:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There are way better audiophile phones on android anyway.
S4VN01 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:04:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't get this. People who are big into audio would NEVER use the onboard DAC in the iPhone anyway. It would be digital out to an external DAC. This function isn't going away, since that was always available with lightning.
No222 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:34:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not exactly. Audiophiles prefer to use the lightning or USB port for audio playback. Analog vs digital
shitinmyunderwear ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:06:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Big into audio and use a device that has mostly 320 kbps songs? Lmao
Forever_Man ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:33:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean I know a couple of DJ's and audiophiles
shitinmyunderwear ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:34:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They aren't really audiophiles then...the quality of the songs is very low
ofrance ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:29:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your few friends are stupid then.
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pudge27george ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:12:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All the 7s come with lightning to audio adapters
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:43:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The only issue for me would be charging and listening simultaneously. I'm fine with the iPhone because I usually only need to charge it at night, but if they do this to the iPad I'll be real annoyed.
joevsyou ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:00:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bluetooth!
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[deleted] ยท 75 points ยท Posted at 01:11:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
After browsing the first 20 or so comments, I realized Motorola has completely fallen off the face of the world. The new moto z has no headphone jack. It does have some really interesting design choices and the ability to use mods which is pretty dope.
jarredshere ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 03:23:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Generally that phone has flopped. I didnt buy it specifically due to the missing headphone jack and I know a lot of other people who didn't as well. Im really curious how this will actually affect a company like apple though
shishdem ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:58:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It won't affect apple. For sure.
toper-centage ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 04:19:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The thing is, even if they removed all ports and speakers from the iPhone, they always have a following and with iPhones you don't have a choice. But in the Android world? If I think your model doesn't have the right shade of dark gray cover I will keep looking until I find it.
Chigurrh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:44:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That might be my next phone. I honestly don't care about a headphone jack. Went bluetooth and haven't used an auxiliary cable or headphone wire in months.
babyd90 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:07:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not an audiophile by any means and I've had the z force since launch and haven't had a single time where I needed charging and headphones at the same time. Plus if you got the external battery mod you can charge and listen at the same time. Granted I might be an exception but I knew it wasn't going to be a big deal to me. Not to mention it's usb type c so I needed to buy a few new usb cables for a few dollars on Amazon. Everyone shits all over Motorola mean while I loved my Droid turbo and now my moto z force. It's been my best phone so far.
Chigurrh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:34:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pre Bluetooth, I can't think of a time when I charged and used the audio jack at the same time. It's just not that common of a situation. I could see doing it in a car, but newer cars let you play audio over the USB connection.
I'm also a huge proponent of reversible and more flexible standards like lightning and USB c. Really not a fan of micro usb.
I also find the external battery mod pretty appealing.
EvilUpcode ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:17:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Literally typing this comment on the Force. Excellent device and very happy with it even without the headphone jack
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:28:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I also have a z force. Honestly the thing is ridiculous. I'm easily able to squeeze 3 days of use on it doing the same things I'd get one day from my note 5. On top of that, the mods are really cool and I'm excited to see where that goes or if it just disappears.
EvilUpcode ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:36:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Had an 8 hour shift and my battery was just 83 percent when done. Blew my mind
thatdudeman52 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:09:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One thing the moto has going for it though: with the back of it, i can throw a battery and charge while listening to music. cant with the iphone.
Ravingsmads ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:34:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, motorola still exists?
C0wabungaaa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:55:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Luckily their other Moto phones still do and are generally great budget phones. I love their lack of software bloat.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:23:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Motorola is actually launching a budget version of the z this month called the moto z play.
C0wabungaaa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:17:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Which apparently does have a headphone jack. Figure that.
Nicd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:54:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not to mention that with the Moto Z, Android was the first to remove the headphone jack (it's even thinner than the iPhone, too!). But that doesn't make for a good joke I guess.
John_Bot ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 05:28:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No...
It's because there are TONS of Android phones and you have plenty of options... Some are terrible, some are great... If you don't like that idea, then buy a different Android phone. With an iPhone. That's it. You get your iPhone and have to live with it. There's no variation, nothing that lets you pick and choose things that you find important in a phone and prioritize them. You get your iPhone. And you better like it.
Nicd ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:56:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well there is the iPhone 6S and iPhone SE, both of which have a headphone jack.
mattysimp27 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:05:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So either buy an out of date iPhone or a state of the art android which is much better specs for probably the same price, hmmm such a hard choice that one is.
Nicd ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:32:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's funny since iPhones have traditionally stayed up to date a lot longer than Android phones. The iPhone 5, released in 2012, will still get the new iOS 10, whereas the Nexus 5 (Nexus is usually hailed by Android users as best in class with regards to updates), released in 2013, will not be getting updates.
You can't compare specs directly either. iPhone 6S still only has 2 GB of memory and a dual-core processor, compared to Android flagships' 4-6 GB and octacores. Yet it runs extremely smoothly.
HylianHal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:44:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's hilarious. Have you tried to use the OS of an updated, outdated iPhone? It's absolutely horrendous. This is deliberate.
Nicd ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:58:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just reset and installed iOS 9.3 onto an iPhone 4S. I didn't see any major issues. I have seen similar smaller slowdowns on Android phones I have tried.
mattysimp27 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 08:44:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But the thing is that since android phones let us do what we want it's extremely easy to update, the Nexus 5 for example, to Nougat on your own. You're obviously to far into Apple to see that they are objectively not the best.
The only main reasons to buy iPhone is because you really like iOS or brand loyalty. I think android software is much better, atleast for me, with all the easy customisation and I believe brand loyalty is what causes stalls in technology. Why should Apple innovate and do new things that are better for customers when people will buy them no matter if they do things like take out the headphone jack and force you to but ยฃ100+ headphones. Even the "innovations" they try to do is stuff thats already been done on android phones.
All apple care about is money. Now I'm not saying samsung or LG or HTC or many others care about the customers more but there is so many options with android you can pretty much pick a phone tailored to your needs and not just the couple choices.
I've changed from the Galaxy S3 to the LG G3 and now to the Oneplus 3. I had great choice and picked the phone best suited to me each time and I have loved all of these phones. iPhones barely feel like they've update in a few years.
Nicd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:15:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't own an iPhone and I have never owned one. It's not for me, there is not enough freedom. In fact I'm planning to buy an Android phone (probably a Moto Z without a headphone jack in fact) this month, so maybe don't assume too many things. :P
How? Can it be done without the command line? Will it get updates automatically? Will everything work as it should? And having to do it on your own is the Android ecosystem's big problem. Being able to do it on your own is good, having to do it just to keep it updated is not.
All any big company cares about is money. Customer satisfaction is cared about only because brings in more money. It's a balancing act.
As for the choice of device, it's a double edged sword. The Android market as I currently see it is flooded with black rectangles with displays on the front. All have nearly the same specs and differentiating on specs alone is not interesting for me as a consumer. Most differentiation is in the bloat the put on top of the OS. But then there's the updates, or lack of. Bet on the wrong horse and your phone will be without updates after 2 years. It seems like a big game of optimization between getting updates, having to deal with bloat, having proper support from the manufacturer, and specs.
The Moto Z is the only Android phone in the last couple of years that has actually made me think "that's cool" because of the mods. And even it has problems like no headphone jack, maybe no updates (everyone seems to be saying Motorola is shit in this matter), and being really thin.
Yawra ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 03:22:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I own this phone, the higher end model, the Moto Z Force. It's excellent. Comes with a Type-C to 3.5 adapter in the box. I use it if I need it. Don't miss the headphones jack.
That jack is ancient, and will be gone from new devices eventually. It wasn't necessary for Moto to drop it, but it's gonna happen soon anyway and, despite my general dislike of Apple, I think dropping the port will help shift the industry towards a better standard more quickly. Hopefully.
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Yawra ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:04:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly I bought the phone for the insane battery life and charging speed, the shatterproof screen, the modularity, the near stock Android, the clever Moto Actions, and the top of the line hardware. Missing a built in port to plug in headphones was not nearly enough of a detriment to outweigh every thing else.
I rarely listen to music, and the adaptor works on those occasions I need to. Everybody values certain aspects of phones differently. For example, I care about the above mentioned aspects, but don't care as much about music, gaming, or camera. For me, the Z Force was the perfect phone. For some, the lack of a certain port would be a deal breaker. I can totally respect that, and that's why it's great we have phones that cater to every niche, such as the LG V20 with its 4 DACs. To each, his own!
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Yawra ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:31:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I use my phone frequently in my work selling phones and in my personal life. Got a girlfriend I gotta text all day haha. I also love to tinker with Android. Honestly I've only had maybe a few instances where I've used all my battery in a day. It can be annoying, and if I can get a phone that won't die on me, I will, even if it dying on me is a rare occurrence, I'll take that option. I'd rather have the question of "will my battery last through X?" be a question I never have to consider. Motorola, in my opinion, knowledge, and experiences, makes phones with the best battery life while still providing others aspects I value. The modularity of the Z is just a bonus, and a cool one with lots of potential at that. I like to have new toys.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:38:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Yawra ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:58:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Status symbol appeal is a huge reason iPhones are popular. This is irrelevant to me. I buy the phone I think is best for me. Even if it's a Motorola in a world where the average person only knows Apple and Samsung, and any response other than those two brands to the question of "what phone do you have?" elicits a blank stare. The Z is far from a status symbol, but it is a hardware beast, has mostly unmolested software, and the modular concept is a fun new idea. The fun new idea part is what I meant by the toy comment. It's awesome to have a phone that's above average at nearly everything, but can be made to excel greatly at one specific task with the simple and temporary addition of a module. It's a cool idea, coupled with a solid phone. That's why I picked it. And that's how everyone should pick their phone, by what it can do compared to what you want it to do, factoring in price and availability.
Like I said my friend, to each his own. I suggest you make a mental list of aspects of your S5 you are not pleased with, and compare it with current options, then factor for your budget and decide if the money spent would be worth the benefits a new phone would bring you. I might suggest the OnePlus 3 and upcoming Moto Z Play (the Play has a headphone jack), both are excellent, in the $400 range since you seem wary of spending a lot on a less than necessary upgrade, and will be an improvement in every aspect over the S5. Best of luck to you.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:16:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's why I got a One+3, why would I ever need a display on a phone that is higher in resolution than 1920x1080?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:12:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:02:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fair enough. I should have considered that.
TheCoyPinch ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:59:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, but I think Motorola was just doing it for publicity whereas Apple probably thinks this is a good design choice.
CloakedCrusader ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 01:44:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
WTF bruh, where's the NSFW tag?
glibbertarian ยท 257 points ยท Posted at 01:33:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What is the fetish with making phones slimmer and lighter? How weak are these people's arms?!?! I'd rather have a heavier, bulkier phone, that can take some abuse and may not even need a case. Then you wouldn't have to keep sacrificing things like ports and removable storage and battery life could be much longer.
Fnhatic ยท 136 points ยท Posted at 02:03:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I don't get it either. Everyone wants bigger phones for a bigger screen, but the problem is people can't fit a phone somewhere because it's too wide, literally nobody has a problem of it being too thick.
If it's already going to be the size of my entire hand, why would I care about it being thinner? Even if it were half a millimeter thick, it still would be big.
Making a cookie sheet thinner doesn't mean it's suddenly easier to carry with me everywhere.
EveryoneSadean ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:45:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you buy two, and glue them together, it will not only DOUBLE your battery life, but make a great shock absorbant case for when you drop it, and is probably cheaper than apple's brand cases anyway
smash_you2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:10:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My ridiculously small pockets in my pants(woman's pants) can't even fit an iPhone 5 let alone anything newer. Certain pants I wear I have to use my back pocket. Which is ridiculous.
Higgs_deGrasse_Boson ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:34:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is a women's rights issue, being 2016 it's time to lobby for equal pants dimensions.
GlueGuns--Cool ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:53:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for putting that so well.
connorblikre ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:54:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I bought a ZTE grand X max plus and it was so big I got tired of it and bought a nexus 5x
Geistuser ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:45:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm guessing the heaviest thing they lift is a Starbucks cup.
thisxisxlife ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 02:06:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was never claimed to be any thinner. Also, it isn't any thinner.
TimbuFTZB ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:57:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
so it's a shit version of the iphone 6
JinxsLover ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:46:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yet millions will rush to buy it lol sad
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:13:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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glibbertarian ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 02:54:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm talking about the general trend, I guess. I just assumed this was thinner since that's always trumpeted so hard.
Spectrum-Art ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:18:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have the Galaxy S6 Active. I've dropped this thing SO many times and gotten nothing more than minor scuffs on the frame. I've spilled drinks on it, stepped on it, you name it. Never needed a case, never needed maintenance.
glibbertarian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:05:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yea if I wasn't in Google's Project Fi I would probably get the S6 or 7 Active.
Kiwifruitee ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:04:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The iPhone 7 is thicker than the iPhone 6.....
xAbednego ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:32:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
and longer battery!
Dynorawr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:01:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just got an S6 and the first thing I did was to get a bulky as hell battery case. Now I have super longevity, I can drop it and it won't necessarily shatter into pieces of broken hopes and dreams, and it has a satisfying heft to it.
C0wabungaaa ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:57:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That and it doesn't exactly make it more comfortable to hold. Bending screens might do a little for that, but overal super thin phones are flat and have annoying edges. I'm currently running a Moto G and I love that it's a bit more chubby with a rounded back and edges. It's very comfortable to hold like that. And its lack of a humongous screen resolution makes its battery life pretty sweet for a smartphone. I don't get this fapping on thinness and screen resolution, at all.
Thomjones ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:46:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh I don't think Apple refuses to put in removable storage to make it thinner...I think they just want people to shell out more money for the higher storage models. This way you can get people to pump out big bucks for the 64 GB or 128 GB model instead of them getting the 16 GB model and gettting a 128GB sd card for 20 bucks.
glibbertarian ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:15:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely. I'd still rather have twice the features and three times the weight.
CaptainCazio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:05:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The iPhone 7 doesn't come in 16 or 64GB
Thomjones ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:47:42 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm talking about previous iPhones. But that's great people don't have an option for a cheaper iPhone 7. They'll make more money that way.
CaptainCazio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:51:10 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What? The 32GB iPhone 7 is the same price as the 16GB iPhone 6s and 6 at release...
Thomjones ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:15:05 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, so logic would mean a 16GB iPhone 7 would be cheaper than a 32GB iPhone 7. Nothing I'm saying is relevant, bc I think the people that would be the first to upgrade to 7 aren't the kind of people worried about that much of a price difference anyway.
CaptainCazio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:40:19 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No. Instead of having a 16GB iPhone 7 for $649, they have a 32GB iPhone 7 for $649.
Before it was a 16GB iPhone 6 and 6s for $649. $649 is always the price of the base model of an iPhone, they're not going to offer a new release iPhone (except if it's the SE) under $649. So you're getting more for your money technically.
And yeah, many people (including me) aren't worried about the price difference because it's free if you trade in your 6s :)
Osuwrestler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:18:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Over the past three years the iPhone has gotten both thicker and heavier....
twerq ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:30:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's about pocket bulge
spockspeare ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:44:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apple gets a kickback on case sales. Making a bulkier phone would cause it to have to lower prices.
Yes, it's completely fucking psychotic, but it's marketing, it's supposed to be.
Captain_Alaska ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:51:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not only was the 6S and 6S Plus heavier and thicker than the 6/6 Plus, the 7 also isn't any thinner.
elephantnut ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:54:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tbh though, it's good for edge case people like me who are super frail.
The iPhone 6s feels way heavier than the 5s to me. I should've gone with the SE. :(
chankly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:45:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apple highly values aesthetics in their products. It's always been a huge part of their brand.
aadams9900 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:48:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're not trying to make it thinner. They're making room for newer things. Like a bigger battery. More speaker. Hectic feedback. Just go read some articles on why they're doing it, and it makes sense. I know change can be scary but it sort of needs to happen.
PirateNinjaa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:57:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lightweight is pretty much the most important factor for a portable device that you use in your hand or carry around in your pocket. My 88 g iPod touch feels like Star Trek technology in comparison.
glibbertarian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:08:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why? It's not like you need to carry 10 of them. Are people getting arm fatigue? Performance much more important to me.
PirateNinjaa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:36:44 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Performance is good enough for me, so the lighter the better, doesn't need to have arm fatigue to be noticeably better. My iPod is invisible in my pocket, my phone isn't.
jahoney ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:04:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is removable storage really that important when you can buy a 256gb phone with extremely fast memory? Far faster than the removable memory and much more consistent.
glibbertarian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:09:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is when you keep super-high quality audio and video on your device.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:02:52 on September 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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glibbertarian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:00:39 on September 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Devices in general are getting thinner over time, including Apple's laptops, and it was also cited as a reason for removing the headphone jack on iPhone. Give me more features and/or battery instead.
TheBestestLaCeleste ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:45:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't had a case on any of my phones for 10 years. Ive NEVER cracked my screen or broke my phone (ALL android phones)
glibbertarian ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:13:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You probably don't have a super active life.
TheBestestLaCeleste ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:30:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Right. I live in nyc and everyone whom owns an iphone has broken it twice. But it's me that's lame or irresponsible. right....
TheBestestLaCeleste ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:33:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking idiot people arent breaking their phones whilst doing acrobatics you tool.
TheBestestLaCeleste ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:24:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Super active" sending a text while sky diving James bond? Fucking stupid.
TheBestestLaCeleste ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:25:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All day. Responses all day. What you said is fucking stupid. Tell me all about your SUPER active life. IDIOT.
glibbertarian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:19:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sure: I'm an outdoor boot camp instructor, among other activities. You are a... professionally triggered downvote producer?
TheBestestLaCeleste ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:54:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No you're right. Ive never even been outside. I dont even own a phone. My friends whom all break their phones are also outdoor bootcamp instructors. Im jealous of how cool and fascinating you are.
glibbertarian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
LOL your phone just needs salt protection.
1MillionMonkeys ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:13:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wouldn't lighter phones reduce the amount of shock from an impact and reduce the likelihood of them breaking? I'm no physicist so maybe that's not the case but it seems intuitive to me.
singingnoob ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 02:14:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can always add a case if you care about that stuff. Can't go the other way around. Aesthetics > features for me.
That said, I'd rather have a headphone jack than dual speakers.
TheBestestLaCeleste ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:47:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I absolutely hate low quality audio. When my sister plays music from her lap top i tell her to shut that noise off (literally sounds like noise pollution) and offer to buy her speakers.
2000liftedcummins ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:52:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like companies could come out with 2 phones one for me and ops style. We preffer the abuse protection and wouldnt mind the weight gains for extra features and capabilites. One for you and your gang on the beauty side of things... Im guessing companies don't think they would make as much money this way though.
Edit: Or someone could make that modular phone that seems soo awesome like last year. That would be cool too.
Edit2: Then maybe iphone users could ad a headphone jack.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:51:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Like Samsung s7 vs s7 active
2000liftedcummins ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:00:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well screw me sidways. Have not seen this yet.
glibbertarian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:57:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can't add a case that expands the battery, adds removable storage, increases speaker strength, adds back the headphone jack, etc... Slimness has been part of the rationale for removing all these.
lactating_leper ยท 75 points ยท Posted at 00:05:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/07/moto-z-review-lenovo-brings-a-huge-price-increase-lame-modular-system/
And you don't even get the (maybe) better wireless audio quality.
Enjoy your jacks while you can.
csonny2 ยท 126 points ยท Posted at 01:01:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You got it
NecroJoe ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:47:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Should have said something like, "Yes, sir!" or "Aye aye, captain!"
Licknuts ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:00:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Those are some super thick strokes
Himiko_the_sun_queen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:06:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What's he doing? O.o
sungazer69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:21:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm on the internet too much. I knew exactly what gif that was going to be.
BGYeti ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:43:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except posted further up the Moto Z Play has the headphone jack added back.
Fnhatic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:09:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The best part about the AirPods is if you have a cat, you're going to lose one of them within a week.
toper-centage ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:17:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Those Moto Mods look nice but you just know they will eventually change the shape of the phone and all your shiny mods will be trash. All these "innovations" are just creating more and more e-trash every day that can't be repurposed or recycled...
alwayslurkeduntilnow ยท 57 points ยท Posted at 22:32:44 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Revolutionary!
Nosiege ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:39:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because when you see it, you turn 360 degrees and walk away
FreeGage ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:04:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
lol wut
Nosiege ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:37:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Old xbox 360 joke
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:14:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Nosiege ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:35:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That was the joke.
dankmernes ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 03:24:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nosiege ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:43:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
dankmernes ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:06:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's cause I was walking away from it
legakhsirE ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:59:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
masturbates furiously to apple's ingenuity
Zanowin ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 01:52:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 10:16:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Chigurrh ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 10:46:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People really don't know what they are missing.
CB_Ranso ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:17:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Im hesitant cause sound quality and battery life. Have you ever found either of this to be a problem?
90guys ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:59:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm on an HTC A9, so battery is already a problem, but it doesn't hurt as much as you would think. Sound isn't complete shit, if you don't mind a little skip here or there or overall slightly compressed sounding quality. If you are fine with the standard speakers in the average car while you are driving you will have no problems with quality.
Biggest con by far is having to charge them, but it really isn't that bad. I keep two portable chargers with me anyway (thanks HTC) so they hardly ever run out of battery.
Not having a cord is PHENOMENAL! No more tangles and they can go like 30 feet from my phone! Being able to walk around and do stuff while listening to music while the phone is charging is amazing! Great for exercising too.
CB_Ranso ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:22:22 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for the helpful response!
homeboi808 ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 03:01:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It comes with an adaptor.
semiorthodoxjew ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:58:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The adaptor doesn't allow simultaneous charging and audio.
homeboi808 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 10:04:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hardly ever need to charge my phone while playing music; if I worked a desk job where listening to music was acceptable, than I can see that.
semiorthodoxjew ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:15:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I both work a desk job where I listen to music, and I also frequently enjoy my Netflix at home, in bed, with my headphones on and my phone plugged in.
Nothing like video playback to drain a battery, so not being able to supply power to my phone while watching movies will dramatically hurt battery life. It's just silly... how hard would it have been for Apple to build some seals around the headphone jack?
homeboi808 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:22:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They could have done it, but then they would have needed to reduce the size of improved Tapic Engine and other stuff, which would have been easy. I'm just saying that they didn't just remove it, they used the increased space for better specs.
For your case, this is why they are pushing Bluetooth/wireless, as both a money-based move and a technological-standpoint.
semiorthodoxjew ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:28:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I get the idea behind pushing wireless, but you can't use BT on many airlines still. I fly a lot so this would affect me noticeably. Also, BT often does not deliver good sound quality, and in RF-noisy environments can also skip and randomly disconnect mid-song.
I've owned two different sets of BT earphones, and in both cases performance has been merely tolerable at best.
As for the Taptic Engine, I'm not actually clear why we need one on the home button. It's a small button - there's only so much you can do with it until it becomes user unfriendly. Imo, single click, double click, Touch ID, and double-tap for Reachability is more than enough to confuse the average iPhone user.
homeboi808 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:39:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Expensive ones due, as they are better speaker and allow higher bandwidth.
The new Apple AirPods actually aren't Bluetooth (though they support it for non iPhone 7 devices). They are using a new wireless codec that allow for 320Kbps MP3 / 256Kbps AAC (though it could go up to 320Kbps for converted CD's I guess) with better efficiency.
I'm guessing to make it water-resistant. The new home button doesn't click like the current one, it instead is pressure sensitive and the Taptic Engine will simulate a click feel.
Arkajion ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:05:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"But don't worry, we're going to include a small, like puny as fuck, adapter for your headphones. If you lose it, and we know you will, you can buy more from us at the everyday low price of $29.99!"
homeboi808 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:12:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's $9 firstly. Secondly, you leave them attached to whatever headphones you use. I agree this isn't the smartest decision, but people are making it seem like Armageddon.
Arkajion ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:14:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was a joke, I didn't know the actual price.
dgfhdgfhdgfhdgfh ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:35:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People always say this when they're sucking the dick of the company catching heat.
It's words on a screen, you pussy.
amsterdam_pro ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:40:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Whoops, I just lost a tiny adapter worth a meal at a restaurant, better ask Mr. Cook to send one soon so I can wait two weeks for it to arrive.
[deleted] ยท 658 points ยท Posted at 22:43:03 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
iPhones are for jack offs.
Edit: god damn, some of you people are dense. It's a fucking pun, what else would you expect from reddit. PM me if you need me to explain.
PainMatrix ยท 202 points ยท Posted at 22:47:10 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This feels like a real disconnect.
[deleted] ยท 117 points ยท Posted at 23:14:20 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Siriously.
zappa325 ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 23:19:23 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Siri, do you have a godfather?"
"Yes, Siri-us Black."
"Siri, I'm removing you for good."
ShadowOfAGeek ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 23:31:25 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was trying to think of a clever "unplugged for good" joke, but then I realized there's no way to plug anything into them.
peepeeparty9 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:02:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yea now people are going to need bluetooth headphones to jack off and what if they connect to the wrong thing lets say that speaker downstairs in the living room.
TexanInExile ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 02:00:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I rarely give upvotes to pun chains, but god damn if that wasn't really good. Have your upvote.
petrichorE6 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:17:12 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Things really started to go downhill after Tim lost his Jobs.
blackmagicwolfpack ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:36:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought it was hilariOS.
Suckonmyfatvagina ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:49:51 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I jack off on iPhones.
Shiznot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:26:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So do they choice-supportive bias proves iPhone/iOS is better because they overpaid.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:31:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Username checks out
carbizzel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:59:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You've been up voted by an iPhone user
jonnyclueless ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:54:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know where you can stick it. You look like the portly type.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:58:09 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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csrabbit ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:25:40 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's why I'd always just leave mine in.
UnjustMurder ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:09:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't worry i got the joke.
hotdogs_from_hell ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:10:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
thank god i was panicking for a second
alison_bee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:17:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
this would be a great trivia team name
ChubbsDaddy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:12:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well I, for one, expect dank memes and circlejerks.
DudeBro-BroDude ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:41:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jag offs too
[deleted] ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 22:56:29 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
iPhones aren't all that bad, but 90% of the people that have worked at my Verizon store prefer Android phones... Regular people just assume the iPhone is the best phone.
Psudopod ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:19:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Well, that's two very different populations with very different needs. I was taking to someone about phones just yesterday, and I think we figured it out. She used to have a Motorola something or other Android, but she told me it ran slow and just got slower over time. She has an apple now and just uses it as a candy crush machine. Like, if you want to pay a premium for something that "just works," a trusted brand so you don't need to sift through all the shit droid bloatmonsters, minus all the features and customization of a decent Android that could just confuse the technical illiterate.
Let's be honest. Subtle features = bug to the technical illiterate. My grandpa used to need help with all the "popups" that were just applications asking for permission to update. A lot of people see an apple app spontaneously shut down and think they must have triggered it, because without an error window with a labelled bug they wouldn't even know they just experienced a crash.
I'm willing to do the consumer's research and do some learning, some more research to get customizing, watch some YouTube videos and do some fixing, and in the end my Nexus can do some damn impressive things. She does not want to worry about more features which could be more ways to break, a brand with a lot of support and repair workers.
... Apple is box cake. Android is baking.
You know you'll get Devil's Food Cake from a box but I think I can swing a Schichttorte or something crazier. Ingredients can be cheaper, I can add my own flavors, but it requires more knowledge, or at least more effort. Maybe you like Devil's Food Cake, that's all you need.
EveryoneSadean ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:51:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Never have i heard a better comparison!
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:10:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apple is also ridiculously over priced. If I wanted to finance a current iPhone for my Grandparent, my cheapest option is the iPhone SE...
Fuck that. Full retail is $400 for the base model.
The Samsung Galaxy J3 V is $191.
RoderickJames ยท -18 points ยท Posted at 22:58:52 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
you mean the dumbfuck non technical people.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:59:44 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't say "dumbfuck" as they are my customers... but yes.
[deleted] ยท -32 points ยท Posted at 23:08:49 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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JGaming805_YT ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 23:27:44 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Username definitely checks out.
Never_up_vote ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 23:13:37 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You alright man?
JinxsLover ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 23:15:23 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Of course not this man has been triggered beyond belief lol. I feel bad for anyone who gets this mad over phones.
Kushmaster420xBlazer ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 23:28:57 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's an apple sjw :( poor guy's been brainwashed ;;
JinxsLover ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:54:37 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone who questions his apple safe space apparently sets him off ranting in someones basement lol
EveryoneSadean ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:04:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He carefully lowers himself to his knees in the dark, concrete basement below his condo. "Holy Father, please allow me the patience to address these non-believers. Everyday you make it harder and harder to keep my values true." Jobs looks down from his golden framed portrait with his wise eyes casting an aura of calmness over the boy. Suddenly, the iPhone in his hands lights up, and the voice of Siri speaks out from nowhere. "Listen not to the non-believers child, for they are compromised with their ability to judge value over price. Continue your path to righteousness, and transcend beyond reason into a better place. A place where customisation comes purely in cases and a choice of three case colours. A place where your individuality can be expressed by your vast array of converters and adapters. A place where these droid heathens cannot taint your undivided faith in the one brand. Have faith young one, and one day there will only be one phone. A singularity in the world where rules are set not by the individual man, but by the religion he follows."
JinxsLover ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:39:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Haha that is glorious
hashtag_lives_matter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:16:26 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Amen.
hashtag_lives_matter ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 23:17:42 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Calm down, buddy.
Jcoulombe311 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:05:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Found the Apple fanboy
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 03:49:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, former MCSE, MCSA, and Microsoft network manager.
Woke up and gave Microsoft the big finger and use Apple and Linux.
No more bullshit garbage Windows in my house. Sold my Xbox and got a PS4.
Proud of it.
Jcoulombe311 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:27:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So you didn't like working for them so now you choose to use products that aren't Microsoft to "stick it to them".
Yeah, I'm sure they're super upset lol.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:02:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And I'm sure I don't give a shit if they are or aren't. It's a choice if you want to use a product then it's called freedom of choice, but you idiots bust on people for their choice of product...go move to Soviet Russia 1975 if you want shit forced on you to use.
Jcoulombe311 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:18:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People aren't arguing you shouldn't have freedom to choose the inferior product. Go ahead and waste more money on something that is a walled garden and doesn't perform as well.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:49:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'll waste it because you don't have the money for it.
Thanks for playing!
Jcoulombe311 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:04:43 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah lol Iphones are so expensive I could never afford one.
You sound like a teenager with their first job trying to brag to their friends who don't have one.
You waste it because you are an Apple fanboy plain and simple. You'd buy any garbage they release and praise it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:46:46 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep I'm a teenager in a $250K house, own two cars and have almost $100K in my checking account. Want me to send you a screenshot of my banking app balance so you STFU and go back to playing with yourself in glee on your Android device?
Jcoulombe311 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:53:43 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lmao see there you go again, trying to brag that you have money as if anyone gives a shit. Just like a kid would do.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:56:25 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, I'm a successful kid too. Obviously you give a shit you keep replying to me. Library's closing soon don't keep mommy waiting outside the front entrance.
Jcoulombe311 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:02:53 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like to point out what an idiot you are, but that doesn't mean I, nor anyone else cares that you claim to have money.
And what? Lol was that an attempt at an insult of some kind? C'mon you can do better than that can't you?
liberalsareidiots2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:01:23 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jcoulombe311 you're probably one of those assholes who wants to buy an iPhone but can't afford the monthly payments or has shitty credit so has to settle for the $39 piece of shit Android Go Phone.
Jcoulombe311 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:39:39 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
PS nice alternate account. Guessing you made a new one because all of the hate you get for constantly posting in /r/The_Donald lol.
liberalsareidiots2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:45:14 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not an alt account asshole guess you're too stupid to click on someone's profile to see how long they've had it. I created this account 9 months ago but I guess since you're too stupid to do basic Reddit you deserve your cheap ass trac phone.
Jcoulombe311 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:48:13 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah it's 100% an alt account. A quick look at your post history, your username, and the fact that you randomly posted on just my single comment out of this whole thread minutes after I replied to your other account proves it. All you did was show that you made the other account after this one, to post on /r/The_Donald with.
And my "cheap ass trac phone" is better than your overpriced paperweight lmao.
liberalsareidiots2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:52:54 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I own an Android phone idiot. I posted because I'm laughing at you having a melt down over someone's decision to buy an iPhone.
liberalsareidiots2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:53:47 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And it's a Galaxy S7.
Jcoulombe311 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:54:12 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're the same guy lol. C'mon you must be stupid to think I'd fall for that.
Jcoulombe311 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:10:08 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nope, I can afford any phone I'd like.
Unlike you I just don't feel the need to try to brag about being able to afford a product that is only slightly more expensive than the rest to feed my insecurities lol.
But seriously who in the adult working world can't afford an iPhone? Teenagers who save up for a couple weeks working at their entry level jobs can afford one.
liberalsareidiots2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:46:02 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But you have to save up for months with your minimum wage job to buy a trac phone.
Jcoulombe311 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:52:03 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol you're bad at insulting people. I bet I make more than you too.
liberalsareidiots2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:54:45 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh now who's bragging about money? LOL you just outed yourself as a fucking insecure teenager.
Bye bye dickhole.
Jcoulombe311 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:57:14 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nope, just pointing out that it's ironic that you keep having to claim how much money you have and how you can afford apple products, when I probably make more than you do.
Also, you've outed yourself as the same person who owns both accounts.
Kushmaster420xBlazer ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:34:58 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or like the people who like to pay more money for an inferior product like an iPhone? The iPhone 7, which isn't even out yet, has worse specs than the galaxy s6, which came out about a year and a half ago. It's your money spend it however you want it, but I'd rather spend less money and get better performance.
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Kushmaster420xBlazer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:49:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm talking about everything else as well. The screen is only the beginning. I also have an s7 and I love it. I had an s6 previously and the only two complaints I had about it were fixed in the s7, being the battery life and the non expandable storage. The s7 has a 3000 mAh battery where the s6 had only a 2500. I'm having a hard time finding specifics on exact speeds of the processors in iPhones because apple think people will get overwhelmed by the information or something. The processor in the iPhone 7 is an A10 and it's "faster" than the processor that was in the iPhone 6. The processor in the s7 is a quad core snapdragon at 2.2ish ghz and 1.5 ghz. The s7 has 4 gigs of ram. No clue how much the iPhone 7 has but doubtless it will be "plenty" of memory of the apple flock. Now to a few things apple does tell us about their phone: the iPhone 7 can record 1920x1080 video at 30 or 60 fps. Strangely the iPhone 7 will have to interpolate that video to even play it back on the same phone with which you shot it because the iPhone 7's screen is a 1334x750 led display. The s6 as well as the s7 both have a 2560x1440 amoled display which is just hands down a better display. The s6 and s7 can record video at the same resolutions and framerates, but you have the distinct advantage of actually watching the video you shot :oooooooo apple are very quickly becoming the Razer of the cell phone industry. Charge an absolute premium price for garbage tier products but put them in a flashy box and a flashy case and people gobble it up.
krijoh92 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:00:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Username kinda checks out
Shiznot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:28:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
If technical people moved to a different OS most would choose Linux as it's generally a better development environment. Also tech people tend to hate apple for the same reasons they hate beats headphones...
Also, businesses run on windows, enterprise support for apple barely exists. Knowing Mac is optional as a sys admin, knowing windows is required.
Edit: Of course he supports trump, that explains a lot.
RoderickJames ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:32:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
no I mean the dumbfucks who love Apple.
RoIIerBaII ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:49:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Windows 10 is about 100 times more complete than OSX. The compatibility with softwares is unmatched (for research, simulation, edition, etc) and the hardware it's used with is years ahead.
[deleted] ยท -29 points ยท Posted at 23:06:31 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 23:13:17 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can't tell if you're a horrible troll or just mentally handicapped. It was a pun. They got rid of the headphone jack. They took the "jack off".
Never_up_vote ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:25:28 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't worry, you did good.
Kushmaster420xBlazer ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:37:14 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Translation of your translation, I bought an iPhone only because it cost more and not because of its specs, which are notably worse than phones that came out years before it.
JasonsBoredAgain ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 23:09:18 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A solid lash out, courtesy of iPhone buyer's remorse.
LucaYo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:55:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Though I won't agree with any of the mean comments, I don't think anyone who kept an iPhone has buyer's remorse, maybe you're being sarcastic but if you're not it's baffling that you think iPhones are that bad...
[deleted] ยท -33 points ยท Posted at 23:13:06 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Buyer's remorse? LOL nice try I've owned iPhones since the 4 and have never had buyer's remorse because I make enough money to buy one and not worry about what it costs.
PMME-YOUR-TITS-GIRL ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 23:19:06 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I make enough money to buy one and not worry about what it costs plus one dollar
JasonsBoredAgain ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:24:26 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The elite. Best of the best.
JasonsBoredAgain ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 23:18:36 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
haha And there's the internal iUser we all knew you were. At least you're consistent.
intoxicologist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:54:35 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't exasperate yourself in this thread, man. You don't need to prove anything. Some of my closest friends are iPhone users. Guess what? It has zero bearing on my life. Oh and it's almost Friday. Cheer up.
RouseHouse1013 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:17:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Speaking of projecting...
joevsyou ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 01:59:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
at least they update their phones...
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 02:07:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So are Samsung c7 iphones.
[deleted] ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 23:47:56 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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all-the-puppies ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:10:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I rolled my eyes so hard when I read that this afternoon.
ProjectShamrock ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:58:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apple engineers are like the same as Iraq war veterans in terms of their heroics.
amsterdam_pro ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:36:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Stay brave, Apple.
dumahim ยท 129 points ยท Posted at 22:42:35 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sadly I could see Android phones doing the same thing soon.
[deleted] ยท 81 points ยท Posted at 00:38:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually the very first android phone ever, the T-mobile G1 didn't have a headphone jack. You either had to use the crappy bundled earphones. Or shell out for an adapter that didn't work half the time and looked stupid.
cmon_hitme ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 01:33:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh shit I had that phone and forgot about that.
compelx ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:55:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I reromed mine after an eternity thinking I could have a music box for the road and then I went to plug it in and... well it now sits in a drawer next to the Archos Internet Tablet 5.
TakingSente ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:29:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ditto. I never realized it had no headphone jack.
kofteburger ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:52:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I remember the days 3.5mm headphone jack was an added feature.
also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_Pop-Port
lazycyclist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:20:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Sony Ericsson W550i, a Walkman branded phone, was incredibly cool, but only had some crazy proprietary port for the headphones. I got through a few pairs of those, I can tell you.
shoelacecockring ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:08:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I still have my G1!!!!
jimbo831 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:34:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I owned that phone. Dealing with that dongle was a pain in the ass.
toastmannn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:45:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My first phone was a cheap flip phone years ago and it was the same way
motorsizzle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:05:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
myTouch 3G was the same.
Wannabkate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:29:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And it was awful. Let's not repeat the no headphones jack of the g1. I gave it to my dad so he could trade it in for 200 on a note 4.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:24:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, I ended up changing phones for this exact reason. I still have the G1 somewhere though. I like to dig it out every once in a while ti see how far android has come
Wannabkate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:37:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I still miss the physically keyboard. I got big thumbs.
blazefalcon ยท 137 points ยท Posted at 22:48:00 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Motorola Z came out a month or so ago and is the same way. Made me sad because I really wanted it until I found that out.
jonsonsama ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:26:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then the Moto z play came out and came with a headphone jack... So there's that...
[deleted] ยท 81 points ยท Posted at 00:34:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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MrFaceRape ยท 151 points ยท Posted at 00:42:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There are hundreds of android phones though.
If you want ios you are buggered upgrade wise.
bon_bons ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 01:51:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
until they come out with the new model which includes a headphone jack as a "feature"
lFallout ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:07:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
+$59.99usd - retro 3.5mm jack add on
SunosUnix ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:15:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, it would be geared towards audiophooles. More like another $200
WhoWantsPizzza ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:45:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Read that as audio poo holes.
mtlyoshi9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:31:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I seriously doubt they'll release an updated model with the headphone jack. The only feasible exception is if they continue the SE line (which isn't the most-updated, flagship line), but even then I'd be really surprised.
extoxic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:22:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There is also the iPhone 6s which is faster then all those Androids and comes with a jack plug
MrFaceRape ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:38:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love 'speed tests', no app is the exact same on android and Apple.
Do we compare how long it takes to boot Photoshop on mac, Windows and linux as key features to desktops, laptops etc?
And if an app opens half a second faster on most iOS devices does anyone truly care? There's a lot more important things to think about.
Screen size, power capacity and charge time (inc is it removable battery in this), resolution, ergonomics, cpu ram and gpu, memory, specific features, privacy etc. Are all things everyone has considered more important over the years of smart phones compared to speed tests.
Literally only see speed tests crop up from Apple users as it's the last thing left to say they have an advantage in.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 02:05:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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GloriousHam ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:21:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's not the same thing and you know it.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:29:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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GloriousHam ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:45:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Those aren't true alternatives. You're suggesting that someone needs to pay for an outdated phone to get what they want if they wish to stick with Apple. Apple doesn't exactly have the best track record with outdated devices. On top of that, at some point those people will have to purchase a used phone to continue getting what they want if they wish to stick with Apple.
Your solutions aren't real options. They're options, but they're hardly viable if someone wishes to keep up-to-date functionality.
TheBestestLaCeleste ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:57:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Its odd to me that iphone users don't understand the benefit of non monopololies in buisnessess...android come in all shapes and sizes and your options are unlimited. It also allows for inter competition and growth.
bigbootybigdoody ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:04:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably because there are countless options and only one phone that doesn't have a 3.5jack. One company made a design decision, just like Apple is only one company, except Apple is the only source for an iOS phone.
With Android you can get a Google, LG, Huawei, Samsung, Motorola, or a Sony phone, all with different options, or lack of options.
Yeah, there's a droid phone that doesn't have an aux jack, but you aren't forced to get it to upgrade your phone. And the iOS won't bog down an old phone because the ability to auto upgrade is limited based on the model. Apple puts people in a predicament where upgrading is kind of mandatory, or your phone slows down, has limited features, and is viewed as obsolete by others.
(I'm not sure if iPhones still face the update that slows you down problem, but I remember it being a big deal a Fe years back)
Panaka ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:54:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Assuming you're in the US, the Moto Z is only available on Verizon and Lenovo is dropping the ball on marketing again.
Vitztlampaehecatl ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:26:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck Lenovo though.
theshenanigator ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:48:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh won't worry. I'm sure there's a different thread making fun of how iPhone wasn't the first to do this.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:10:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The difference is that there are an endless stream of Android phones on the market. If one doesn't have a headphone jack, an SD card, a super high-res screen, a large screen, a small screen, a built-in thermal camera, waterproofing, etc, then you can just move on to a different model that does have what you need.
When it was apparent that the Moto Z wasn't going to have the jack, the reaction was "Thats stupid, I'll just get this other one."
With the iPhone, you're pretty much fucked going forward.
NAUGHTY_GIRLS_PM_ME ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:01:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Android fanboys did not buy Moto Z either, it failed.
ahairychest ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:01:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As is tradition
dmt267 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:45:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not the same. Apple is one company and they're doing this to their upcoming flagships while there are dozens(hundreds?)of android manufacturers
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 01:36:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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brandon0297 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 01:43:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or because we aren't restricted to one phone? If one Android has a feature we don't like, we look at another one.
Fuck logic right.
[deleted] ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 01:52:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Team_Braniel ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 01:58:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mmmmmmmmmm salty.
brandon0297 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:06:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why are you making variety and flexibility out to be a bad thing? We're bad because we have options to choose from while you're stuck with a stupid decision over and over?
GodKingThoth ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 02:16:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No no no, I'm saying you cant claim your phone has every single feature that every android phone in the world has just because that other hardware also runs android OS. Also would like to point out i don't support the headphone hack omission and like diversity in hardware. What I don't like is claiming every feature because of the diverse choices of hardware, which seems to be what most users do.
Ex. "Android does this!" while having a phone that actually doesn't have that hardware, they can still claim the feature. It's like saying my laptop with no wifi card has a wifi card because ubuntu has some drivers that will allow usage of wifi. Idk thats just a simple analogy and is probably bad in a hundred different ways lol
HubbaMaBubba ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:26:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most features are pretty standard. People aren't going to say "Android does this" unkess it's common.
PaintDrinkingPete ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:12:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, that may be true for some, I guess...but when it comes to hardware in the whole "iPhone vs Android" debate, it's kinda like apples and oranges. It's easier for an OEM like Motorola to leave out a feature like a headphone jack in the spirit of making a cheaper/thinner device because if want an Android device with a headphone jack there are still plenty of other options.
The comparison may be more relevant if we're talking about the Nexus line (because of their direct affiliation with Google) or even the Samsung Galaxy/Note model lines (because of their massive popularity), but even then it's a stretch to think the impact is the same across all users of Android as an OS vs iOS users.
Plus, it's noteworthy because it's rare that such a popular product line chooses to remove a feature/component...especially when it's one as widely used as an analog headphone jack.
Personally, I really hope this experiment goes really bad for Apple. Is it because I think Android rulez and the iPhone sucks? No. I do prefer Android but think Apple makes great products...I just hope this change is so obviously unpopular that other phone makers don't decide to follow suit.
GodKingThoth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:18:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree, I hope apple regrets the decision to omit the jack, but they never go back on decisions so I doubt we'll ever see an iphone with a jack, unfortunately. I guess ill be stuck on my jailbroken 6s until I find an android phone with hardware I like.
PaintDrinkingPete ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:49:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you do switch, do yourself a favor and limit your search to Nexus devices (or whatever Google is going to be branding their signature devices in the future).
Well, do that if you don't want a phone that's always at least 6 to 12 months behind in software updates (and that's assuming the OEM even chooses to provide updates) and full of carrier bloat.
GodKingThoth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:33:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've owned a bunch of androids in the past and always rooted them and fucked around with em as much as i could. They're fun
PaintDrinkingPete ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:32:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Good deal...that's part of the reason I make my suggestion, though...many newer Android models have encrypted bootloaders that make them either impossible to root or require you to jump through hoops to do so.
At the very least, something you may want to research before choosing a particular model. Nexus phones, of course, can still be rooted using traditional methods.
chickdan ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:11:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not as big of a deal because it uses USB-C which is infinitely more universal that the Lightning connector.
reverseskip ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:47:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All of 17 Motorola fanboys decided to just meet up at Carl's Jr. and lament among themselves.
etaoin314 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:52:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Check out the motto z play, bigger battery, has the headphone jack and is cheaper.
sirmark17 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:21:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Motorola Z is at least extremely thin with the lightning port for people who would actually want that. It's only ~.204 inches while the iPhone 7 is still stuck at .28 inches. That's about 37% thicker.
CasuallyAgressive ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:52:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't Lenovo take over the Motorola phones though?
giannini1222 ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 01:13:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just like everyone complained about the iPhone not having a removable battery. How many Android phones don't have one now?
andrewsad1 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 02:02:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can you get an iOS device with a removable battery? Because I can get an Android with one.
hajamieli ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:54:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They all have removable batteries, they're just a bit harder to replace than devices designed for field-replaceable batteries. iPhone 4 could've been planned for a field replament at some point, since its back cover slides so cleanly off after removing the two screws locking it in place. If you have the right tool(s), it's a less than 5 minute job. Earlier and later iPhone models made it somewhat (or a lot) more time-consuming and/or difficult.
ffstriker ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 02:59:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Who cares. Batteries are graded over a year now
RufusMcCoot ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:02:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I need two years. So to answer your rhetorical question: me.
vanquish421 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:21:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Many of us like to carry a spare on the go, or upgrade to a bigger battery since all manufacturers insist on batteries with shit life. So basically, you're talking out your ass.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:59:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can't name a single person who carries an extra battery around with them, nor anyone who did when mainstream Android phones still had the capability. If you're going to carry around another battery, you might as well just buy a piggyback battery case thing for the phone.
[deleted] ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 02:15:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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TightLittleWarmHole ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:30:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mine has one.
Vitztlampaehecatl ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:27:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not mine. The next one in the series has one too. LG masterrace
lFallout ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:08:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had a g3 but I can't stand lg anymore :/ the quality control really irked me and on top was the unrecognized hardware issues
gallowdp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:05:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same here. Randomly stopped recognizing my sim card and microsd. I just switched to a Galaxy S5 and love it
lFallout ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:37:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's honestly the same story for me! I had rooted on kit Kat to fix the headphone issue always popping Google play, stupidly removed root and tried updating when my Bluetooth stopped working. Finally flashed to newest Ota and my phone stopped reading my sim and sd. It was fine before that but the rma/cs stories are deff sketch
Runningcolt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:41:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Converted to LG when I got tired of Samsung phones having too much uninstallable shit on them. Recently replaced my broken LG G3 (a friend knocked it over while charging) with a Motorola Moto G4 Plus. Decent phone with a good camera, but it's super bare bones. If I wasn't out of work and money I would've probably bought a LG G5. Looks incredible.
Sorry for the rant, I just miss tapcode so much.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:45:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not many, I think? 95% of the ones I've seen can have their battery removed.
Urgranma ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most of the premium android phones fixed that issue by including a large battery and superior battery life. Don't need a removable battery if it'll outlast an iphone.
ItsDijital ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:49:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most don't outlast the iPhone though, and those that do have way larger batteries than the comparable iPhone. The iPhone is ridiculously optimized in terms of power consumption, way more than any Android phone.
jaab1997 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:03:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well that's because they CAN do that. It's impossible for the software to be fully optimized for each device because they are all different. I get great battery on my 5X, granted that's because of Doze.
Urgranma ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:11:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
An S7 has almost double the videoplay back time of a 6S, how can you say they don't beat the iPhone? Not to mention the 6S can't even playback in 1080p...
ItsDijital ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:55:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Added emphasis.
S7: 3000mAh battery
S7 edge: 3600mAh
iPhone 6S: 1750mAh (42% and 51% smaller, respectively)
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:02:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People don't understand how good Apple's battery technology is, and how far ahead of the game they are of everyone else. Their laptop batteries have blown the competition away for a good 7-8 years, at least. The battery in my six year old macbook pro still lasted 3 hours, whereas the best battery in any PC laptop I've own shits the bed after like 1.5 years, maybe 2.
ItsDijital ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:43:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not even their battery technology. They use the same batteries as everyone else (there are only a handful of top tier battery makers in the world). Its that their optimization is leagues ahead of everyone else.
Urgranma ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:37:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Have you ever spent as much on a PC laptop as you did your MacBook?
Urgranma ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:35:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I did say premium Android phones, as in the ones that compete with the 6s. Sure, apple might have some better optimization, but their devices still drain dramatically faster.
AmadeusCziffra ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:52:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And as soon as it happens, to keep on circlejerking against Apple, they'll point out that Apple was the first to do this bullshit.
aquaknox ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:06:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why? Sure maybe some OEMs will drop it (I could see Samsung doing it) but it's super unlikely that they all will, which has basically always been the upside of Android. There's no authority that stops small niches from being served.
am0x ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:55:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For sure. 2-4 years, headphone jacks are dead like Flash. I haven't used mine in over a year.
vanquish421 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:23:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
lol
am0x ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:42:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I said in 2-4 years, headphone jacks will be dead on phones. You laugh now, but in 4 years you will see...
vanquish421 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:05:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Keep dreaming.
am0x ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:13:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In the tech world things move quickly. Add a remind me to this post for 3 years. Then you can give me some gold for being right. I mean part of my job is identifying new trendsetting tech, and this was something that was identified 2 years ago.
vanquish421 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:21:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just because it was identified doesn't mean most people want it. It won't be gone from every phone in 2 to 4 years. Set a remind me, you can lick my balls when I'm right.
dumahim ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:00:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mine is in use about 10 hours a day.
PirateNinjaa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:58:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mine is a virgin.
am0x ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:40:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You are an extreme outlier and in 2-4 years they will have 10 hour or more life span.
DragonTamerMCT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:56:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
None of them really have the weight to pull this off. Maybe Samsung, but all they're going to do is run stupid ads about 3.5mm jacks now. I mean if you love samsung, that's your deal, but damn their ads are fucking dumb.
bigpoppawood ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:42:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
LG went a large step in the opposite route putting a quad DAC in their V20, actually.
dumahim ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:05:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, and I have an HTC 10 which has some good audio hardware as well. I'm not using decent headphones and switching everything over to FLAC so I can send it over Bluetooth.
mikeysof ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:29:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Samsung perhaps. They seem to be the apple / android equivalent
jonnyclueless ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:55:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They will be running to the gate to do the same thing. And once everyone gets past the drama queen phase they will be wondering how anyone would still want a analog jack from the 50s on their phone.
vanquish421 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:25:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Charging and listening to music at the same time. Charging and using the aux port for dongles like credit card readers at the same time. Listening to analog music because it's far higher quality than Bluetooth, and Bluetooth isn't always an option. Do you think at all?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:14:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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joevsyou ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:59:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
they will, Apple has the power to move to the future and is willing to to take the heat to move forward, Also most other cell phone makers don't have the balls to remove a useless port when the use port can do the same plus more.
ffstriker ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 02:58:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's an 100 year old port. It's time go. People needs to understand that if they want a bunch of new features, such as waterproofing. You have to get rid of things. The next logical option.
vanquish421 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:26:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Change for the sake of change is not always a step forward.
ffstriker ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:34:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is how technology works my friend.
vanquish421 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:45:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You haven't described how technology works, or why this is a good example. You're just speaking in vague platitudes, while thinking you're being deep and philosophical. Digital sound has lower audio fidelity than analog. Cordless headphones mean worrying about one more thing to keep charged. There's multiple scenarios where the headphone jack needs to be used while the phone charges. Radically changing what many people use, while offering up insufficient solutions (or none), isn't progress. They're also killing choice. Having the headphone jack as an option is a great feature for many people.
Demetrius3D ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 01:08:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Poor Windows Phone! It's like they don't even exist!
unknownman19 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:34:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There are dozens of us. DOZENS!
Nosiege ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:47:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Basically.
Ben_Sengastone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:21:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What's a window phone?
IggyJR ยท 93 points ยท Posted at 23:24:01 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Steve Jobs would be spinning in his grave, but sadly, he was buried in an early model iCasket that wasn't water resistant.
[deleted] ยท 68 points ยท Posted at 00:55:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Steve Jobs would totally have done the same thing, with even less remorse! The move to Bluetooth audio as standard will continue either way.
FriendlyDespot ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 01:11:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dear god no. That awful protocol needs to die.
dewhashish ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:03:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
what's wrong with bluetooth? serious question
FriendlyDespot ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:20:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a horrid mess of junk built upon junk, of interoperability nightmares, and low throughput. At its best it does a lot of things, but few of them well. When you transmit audio over a typical Bluetooth connection it'll do a lossy compression of the source material which is likely also compressed with loss, which makes artifacts out of artifacts and amplifies compression noise exponentially. The higher bandwidth versions of Bluetooth achieve the transfer rates by hiding a separate 802.11 connection behind the Bluetooth connection acting as control, but because the spec still calls for lossy codecs, it's still garbling your sound even if there's sufficient throughput to send the source material in its entirety.
It's a dumb protocol that needs to go away.
dewhashish ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:23:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
what would be a better replacement?
FriendlyDespot ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:49:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shedding all of the legacy nonsense. If they're going to do 802.11 anyway, then ditch the Bluetooth part and just do 802.11, or some other sensible and extensible ISM standard. Keep the PHY simple and put the applications on top of the stack instead of inside of the stack. The days of low processing power and rigid protocols run in hardware on mobile devices are long gone.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:25:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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poodlelord ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:55:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't like your vision of the future, i don't want to swim in a sea of adapters...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:59:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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poodlelord ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:12:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm in pro audio, they aren't going to add DACS to studio headphones it doesn't work like that. This is the beginning of the death of apple, finally.
jibbyjam1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:29:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Let's see. I've been using Bluetooth headphones for a while now. Here are my main complaints:
Sometimes I lose signal just by having my phone in a pocket too far from the headphones.
If my phone only has Bluetooth, when my headphones die, I can't switch to my aux cord.
I've gotten audio from other phones by accident while using Bluetooth. It's not super secure.
I get better audio quality with an aux cord than I do with Bluetooth.
MactheDog ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:54:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well for 2, 3, and 4 Apple is shipping a small adapter that lets you use all your existing headphones and cords for free. Honestly the adapter solves 1 too...
Jimijam_Flimflam ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:48:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But adapters cost money. And it's Apple, so it's going to cost a lot of money.
MactheDog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:53:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It comes free with the phone you would never buy anyway, extras are $9.
stfsu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lots of audiophiles claim that it has worse audio quality, most people can't tell the difference unless you point it out (like a certain instrument or vocal in a song that you can somewhat hear with headphones, but can't using Bluetooth).
ItsDijital ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:04:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You don't need to be an audiophile. I can assure you that anyone listening to even a decent speaker setup would be able to tell the difference.
BT has a crippling best case of 721kbps for audio. Less than half of the 1.4Mbps needed for CD quality. In the real world it usually comes out around 128kbps Mp3 quality (a lot of that 721kbps goes to overhead).
Let me rephrase that. In 2016 we use a standard for streaming audio that usually can only handle 128kbps Mp3. Meanwhile, Wifi, another wireless standard in 2016, can handle around 1Gbps streams. Faster by a factor of almost 10,000. Get you fucking heads out of your asses BT consortium.
There is aptX for BT. aptX allows ~328kbps Mp3 quality streams. However it is proprietary and requires a license to implement.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:18:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As people have already stated the audio isn't that bad. I have BT speakers and headphones that also have headphone jacks, when you switch from one to the other you can barely tell a difference. Wifi audio is useless for anything but home listening.
ItsDijital ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:36:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
By decent I mean a system with at least separate tweeters and woofers, of proper size. For headphones I can't really speak. I have never used to more expensive bluetooth headphones, just <$50 ones.
Also I used wifi as a reference for modern wireless bandwidth capability, not to suggest that we use it instead. Bluetooth switching to 5Ghz alone would greatly increase its bandwidth, and that spectrum is perfectly suited for short range use.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:17:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not saying it's a good thing, just that it is happening.
joshcandoit4 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:52:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The point is wireless. As time goes on, everything will be wireless. And at every stage there will be threads on reddit saying how that particular thing does not need to be wireless. But the trend will continue until nothing has any ports anymore.
poodlelord ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:59:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Really doubt that, wireless transmition is horridly inefficient way to transmit anything, whether it's data or power. I avoid wireless as much as possible due to reliability and signal degradation concerns. These are issues i really doubt will be resolved any time soon.
joshcandoit4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:47:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, people used to say the same about wireless broadband, and now you can stream 4k video in real time with even a modest connection to your ISP. Yes, yes, ethernet will still provide superior performance that could be necessary, but the benefits are being marginalized constantly. Wireless is always at a disadvantage, but recreational users care far more about convenience of wireless over the minimal loss of audio quality you get from something like bluetooth.
Wireless charging is new, of course the technology is awful. New technology usually is. But again, we will see what happens.
poodlelord ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:40:07 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would argue wireless is much less convenient with all the annoying pairing you have to do. Analog just works. Also you can pass around an aux cord, not the wireless connection
poodlelord ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:44:09 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Also we are talking 1000's of wireless streams in a public space. Wireless broadband can bearly deal with that as is. And we are talking about implementing Bluetooth both wireless broadband. So it will be even worse.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:08:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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poodlelord ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:38:39 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I really really hope not.
TheRealCJ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:09:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except they have introduced a proprietary wireless protocol too, so so much for that.
camdoodlebop ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:53:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't Steve jobs want a phone without any ports or holes?
ffstriker ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:04:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hate people that said he would be spinning in his grave.
Jobs took risks. Remember when he put USB in a computer and everyone laughed. Remember when there was no floppy in the eMac? The iPod? The iPhone? It's called innovating. You need to take risks. Apple was the first to do it in this case.
Reddit has a such a hate for Apple. If this was Samsung, it would be praised.
At least the phone doesn't explode.
IggyJR ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:28:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, but you couldn't be more wrong. There is no cult of Samsung.
Sir_Crimson ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:48:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wonder if his iCasket has a headphone jack...
IggyJR ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:57:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe not, but I'm sure he had a cutting edge douchebag jack.
DanceWithEverything ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:59:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Steve Jobs would have loved this move. You must not really understand Steve Jobs.
This is the type of shit Steve Jobs did. He designed his own screws so people couldn't use their own screwdrivers for fuck's sake.
aquaknox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently almost no caskets are water tight, basically everyone ends up in a watery grave.
IggyJR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:36:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jobs also never created iHumor. His cult never got the iJoke.
Nosiege ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:43:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you saying his bloated corpse has probably burst in his grave instead?
jonnyclueless ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:56:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, they guy who was known for being the first to get rid of antiquated things like the floppy drive and the CD-ROM would be rolling in his grave because of his company following in his foot steps.
zappa325 ยท 146 points ยท Posted at 23:37:06 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I named my IPhone the Titanic, so when I plug it in it says "the Titanic is syncing"
~readers digest
TheElCaminoKid ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:40:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
-Wayne Gretzky
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:50:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
-Michael Scott
(I actually don't even know what this means)
Scarbane ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:15:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You should watch the American version of The Office, then! You won't regret it!
nerfherder27 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:14:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Boo
BoringPersonAMA ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:43:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
~everyone ever since the ipod came out
Shadow_ten ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:12:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Damn
kick_his_ass_sebas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:46:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
haha 'syncing'. As an android user, I wonder why you guys waste your time. It's much easier to just drag and drop music, or stream everything (online or offline) via google music
Fittri ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:43:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think the last time I synced my iPhone was in 2011.
IntrovPC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:28:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just use Apple Music & Spotify. Just got the 6S+ a month ago and I haven't plugged it in my pc once. Go on my pc, all my music is there already. Nice try to feel superior though.
kick_his_ass_sebas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:46:31 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I rather own my music, thanks
IntrovPC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:09:00 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean fine, I buy vinyls and physical CDs for albums I really like but I dont see the point in paying 10$ per album when you can pay 15$ per month.
kick_his_ass_sebas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:11:02 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
OK. Cool story bro. For the record I torrent everything
IntrovPC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:43:54 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You do you dude, I used to torrent but I got spotify and I havent torrented since. Also offline listening is super nice because I dont always have a connection/want to use my data.
Im not gonna bring up the 'morals' of torrenting, but I don't see why you would torrent if you're not 14-17 with no job. Once you have income you have no reason to not support artists. But again, you do you homie. Ill do me.
kick_his_ass_sebas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:13:08 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
free media is free media, what can i say
IntrovPC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:27:00 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean it's free yeah, but kind of shitty. I also don't need a cease and desist letter that prevents all torrents, I actually torrent Linux distros and other items that give me the choice.
And there's nothing for you to say, just enjoy your music fam
MiHiGaming ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:49:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tytanic Syncing
Do_Ya_Like_Dags_ ยท 268 points ยท Posted at 01:17:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ITT: People who never would have bought the new iPhone regardless, still complaining about it like Apple is going to break into their house and rip the jack out of their existing phones.
Sector-R ยท 75 points ยท Posted at 02:11:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Android user here. This concerns me because Apple is one of the biggest players and if someone is capable of starting trends it's them. So I'm a bit worried that more manufacturers start to think this is ok.
That1one_guy ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 03:57:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cant wait till Samsung starts to brag about having a port just like they bragged about having a removable battery yet last time i checked they don't have removable batteries anymore.
Colonel_Planet ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 06:01:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
only the water resistant phones are non removable batteries, since its pretty damned hard to make a changeable battery in a waterproof phone
Echelon64 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:03:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Missed the Galaxy S5 I see.
_Gondamar_ ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 09:38:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The S5 also had that annoying-ass cover, but your point still stands. The real reason removable batteries were ditched is because it harms the life cycle of the battery. Also because non-removable backs look cool, at least until you cover it with a case.
Beefytaco97 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:36:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure a flagship phone either LG or Nexus already came out without a headphone jack
retardcharizard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The way I see it is that it's going to happen regardless of Apple.
Do you remember when the iPhone came out and people freaked because it didn't have a physical keyboard?
I laughed my ass off. I was like "Stupid Apple, this thing is gonna tank."
Then it did well. And everyone started doing it.
Bluetooth and other wireless tech is getting better and better. Wireless charging is a thing now.
It will happen eventually. This first iteration probably will be janky as fuck. But it will get better. Other manufacturers are going to do it and make it better. Third parties will do it and improve on designs.
At some point we will think it's weird we once complained about it.
It shocks me that so many people that as though things like this are stupid.
ffstriker ยท -17 points ยท Posted at 03:06:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Getting rid of an 100 year old standard forces companies to innovate and create something different.
Sure, it sucks and there are problems. But someone has to do it.
TeriusRose ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 03:33:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
That depends on if the potential benefits make it something that is truly necessary. Changing something just to change it is a waste of time. There's a reason that "you don't need to reinvent the wheel" is a saying.
I'm not saying that's what's happening in this case, just that the logic of "we must change something because it is old" isn't always correct.
Edit: Besides, these are going to have to be headphones designed to work with a proprietary connector, lightning. If Apple had moved on to USB-C your argument about standards would be a lot more valid.
humantarget22 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 04:19:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
While I am kinda torn on the removal of the jack (I already use bluetooth in the car and BT headphones when running) I don't think they were 'changing something just to change it'
The truth is good headphones can be much better using a digital interface rather than the old 3.5mm one. That won't matter to most people who are going to use wireless headphones or not so great wired ones though, since those won't really show any of the benefits.
One way which people might, might, see a positive change is active noise cancelling headphones will now be able to pull power over the port rather than having to include a battery. This isnt a big deal for over ear headphones where theres lots of room for a battery but for earbuds this could be pretty big.
The main reason they did it was because they had to move the connector on the display because it was in the way of the new dual lens camera. So it down to the bottom of the display where they had some room, but it interferred with the 3.5mm jack so they removed it.
After typing this message out, i've decided that I am actually happy it's gone. I love the push towards wireless and/or all digital audio. But what i really really really don't like is the fact that it isn't USB-C. i really hope it is possible to have a usb-c to lightning adapter that will work well for headphones because i hate the idea of some headphones only being released with lightning or usb-c. It would be nice if they all jsut came out as USB-c....but i know im dreaming
TeriusRose ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:14:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just to be clear, I wasn't trying to imply that Apple's decision was without merit. I was just saying that the logic is flawed in claiming that because something has been around for a while it needs to be changed.
I'm well aware of the potential benefits, but until I get a chance to play with my girlfriend's when she gets hers i'm going to have to wait to really form an opinion. For the time being, I'm more focused on the inconvenience of having to either buy headphones that will only work with iPhones, or carry around a dongle and/or splitter.
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:03:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What are we buying more of? The iPhone 7, should you get it, comes with the adapter, which allows you to continue using your existing headphones.
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:29:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well I can't really do much to appease your hyperbole.
Rxef3RxeX92QCNZ ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:39:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
God it's so hard to tell sarcasm in these threads. If the age of the port is the strongest argument against it, that's very telling
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:04:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not just the age, really. It takes up extra space that could be used for better internals, and makes it harder for a device to become water resistant. Plus it's analog. Being powered through a digital port does allow headphones to do a lot more.
Rxef3RxeX92QCNZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:49:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If people preferred a digital port, headphone sales would reflect that. I've literally never seen anyone using USB/Thunderbolt headphones.
Waterproofing has been done on other phones with this port
If they were going to work miracles with the extra fraction of a square centimeter, they could have just made the phone slightly bigger and kept the port
amsterdam_pro ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:35:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just like everyone started doing voice-controlled mp3 players after Apple had made one!
This is a stupid idea that will not catch on.
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hazzmango ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 03:53:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
This is such an underrated mentality here. What do we have to lose if we don't give it a shot?
This coming from a member of the Android master race.
Edit: I didn't think my comment was worthy of gilding, but thank you kind stranger for popping my gold cherry!
Gold_edit_downvoter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:37:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your edit is bad and you should feel bad.
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GeoJester ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:23:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Last time I checked, Apple was the one who copied everyone else.
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GeoJester ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:51:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You aren't wrong, but Apple is definitely not original with their ideas. Let's not forget that Apple got many of its ideas from what Blackberry did with their phones
Wacefus ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 03:06:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As someone who plugs in there phone daily so battery life isn't an issue, bought a pair of blue tooth headphones for bike riding and lawn mowing, I like the slimmer phone move. I really can't understand why everybody is losing their shit. You don't like the product, don't buy it. If more people are leaving because of no jack vs. having one then it'll go back. This is simple economics.
ConcedeDota ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:42:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
the phone isn't slimmer. It has nothing to do with thickness. (and lets not even get into cases)
The phone isn't any more water resistant than a Samsung with a jack.
Its just cause apple wants to make more money
Wacefus ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:10:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fair enough, not thinner. But I know that every 100/th of a cubic inch means a lot to phone internals. No jack frees up a lot of space. I bet if you talked to Samsung engineers and told them they had an extra amount of space equal to the jack port they would start innovating. Also, it will lead the way for thinner phones. They have been getting thinner for years. I mean, we aren't going to let advancement in battery, camera, screen and chipset be overridden forever because the 3.5 jack has to be included. It will go away universally eventually. I'm not sure about cases or what you mean. Its a for profit company so of course it's about money. They are trying to offer the best product at a price point they can. if they messed up it will go back to having the jack later.
Rxef3RxeX92QCNZ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:43:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If they were going to work miracles with that tiny amount of space they could have just made the phone slightly bigger and kept the port.
Wacefus ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:10:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Unless they felt there would be too many people like me that thought "why did they make it bigger. Just drop the port for blue tooth already". this is very similar when they switched to the Lightning over the 128 pin or whatever it was. Lots of people were upset that all the good accessories they owned became obsolete. But every one that stayed with Apple got new accessories and moved on. And it worked out well. We have a difference of opinion on what they should have done. I think time will tell they still sell enough they do all right. They will never have the market share they did 7 years ago, but it's not gonna be wholesale loss of the company like Reddit would seem to think either. My guess is that lots are perfectly fine with a 3rd party Bluetooth for those times they do listen to music. And a lot of over 20's Apple users don't use their phone for music on a daily, possible weekly basis. So it's really not a big deal to a lot of people.
ConcedeDota ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:39:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
they already do by having a phone with higher tech specs consistently than iphones and bringing newer features to market first.... like water resistance.
Iphone hasn't innovated anything significant in years (and saything this as a iphone user).
and 3.5 isn't going anywhere anytime soon. its been around for 100 years and there is a reason for it. It is to important to the audio industry. Apple may not care, but they are about to lose a significant portion of the music industry who are not about to give up high quality audio options... and frankly Mac has been an audiophile preference for many years. Its just stupid.
Apple has literally never done that since the 80's. They overcharge for everything and everyone knows it.
GingerBiscuitss ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:04:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But this is still a bad thing. It's the death of standardisation.
Do_Ya_Like_Dags_ ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 02:07:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bluetooth is a widely accepted standard.
Doing away with old standards is common practice, it's the reason your computer probably doesn't have a floppy drive.
ffstriker ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 03:04:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or a CD drive for that matter
MactheDog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:43:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hilarious that Apple was the first company to ditch the 3.5" and CD/DVD, hell they never even bothered with Blu-Ray.
Bluetooth has grown up, lightning connected headphones and adapters will help bridge the gap.
My car and my wife's car both take a usb input and I have Bluetooth earbuds for exercising/mowing and Bluetooth headphones for work. I will be preordering the new phone without any hesitation.
Technojerk36 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:48:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except in this case the standard being done away with is not outdated.
ffstriker ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 03:05:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is outdated. Very outdated. The problem was there was no better option.
Until now
Wheezin_Ed ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:07:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Which is???
cheami ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:43:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
disk drives....
are you kidding or what?
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cheami ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:53:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i misunderstood.
i agree, audio jack is not outdated. ignore me.
Wheezin_Ed ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:53:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
meaning audio jacks
cheami ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:54:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i misunderstood.
i fully agree with you that 3.5mm audio jack is not outdated.
humantarget22 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:23:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He is well aware. And he means it (the audio jack) is outdated, which it is. The fact that is is widely used doesn't mean it is or isn't outdated, but the fact there are other interfaces which can provide much better sound quality as well as lots of other benefits means it is.
Now just cause it's outdated, does that mean it's a good idea to get rid of it? I dunno, there is obviously something to be said for legacy support.
Wheezin_Ed ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:42:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sound quality isn't the only thing that makes something outdated. Standard headphones have much better price to quality ratio, are much more compact, and are almost ubiquitous to every other device. I'm going to quote /u/allrollingwolf on this one:
Your remaining options are either using a headphone with a lightning cable, which isn't better than a headphone jack, needs to be replaced much more frequently, is already used for charging, and is less reliable, or having to spend significantly more money for bluetooth headphones, which aren't usually as good and also have shit battery life.
So you tell me what's more outdated: using a headphone jack with a phone, or not being able to charge your phone and use headphones at the same time unless you make your wallet cry for mediocre bluetooth ones?
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ItsDijital ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:08:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The problem is that BT is outdated too.
poodlelord ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:49:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry but you are simply wrong, i use a 1/8th inch jack professionally daily and no lightning adapter or blue tooth is going to work there. Ever. I hope this is the begging of the death of apple.
GingerBiscuitss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:49:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except its not an outdated standard at all, and it allows for cheap headphones.
Do_Ya_Like_Dags_ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:51:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People probably didn't think horses were outdated either.
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allrollingwolf ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:02:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Audio cabled headphones are not outdated.
Good bluetooth headphones barely exist and the ones that do are much more expensive.
When bluetooth headphones can be just as small as high quality ear buds, hold a charge for long enough that it doesn't matter, and have the same audio quality for the price of normal headphones, then normal headphones will be outdated. But we aren't there yet.
TeriusRose ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:36:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
We are not anywhere even close to that being the case. For the time being, all this move has really done is make sure that you need to bring an extra cable in order for you to be able to listen to your music. I'm skeptical that we're suddenly going to see massive amounts of people completely ditching wired headphones in exchange for Bluetooth ones.
I would be a lot more okay with this move if Apple had at least moved on to USB-C and ditched lightning. If that is something they plan on doing later, that's just going to be another headache after companies start pumping out lightning headphones.
EmilioTextevez ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:27:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe creating an extremely popular phone with a necessity for wireless headphones will push companies to develop better quality wireless headphones.
GingerBiscuitss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:58:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or, alternatively, headphones that use the Lightning port, which Apple makes a fuck ton of profit from licensing out to other manufacturers.
CatzRuleZWorld ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:19:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also itt: people who missed/are ignoring the fact that it comes with an adapter
dsiOneBAN2 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 03:55:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Here's this adapter to make your iPhone bigger and bulkier and harder to transport, you're welcome!"
reebee7 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:05:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I charge while driving, and use the aux chord for music very often.
e3o2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:50:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Still doesn't help the fact that you can no longer charge your phone without losing the ability to listen to music or watch Netflix. It was a dumb idea when Motorola did it and it's a dumb idea now.
envyxd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:42:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I totally disagree with the removal of the jack, but I can totally see why people would still buy the phone.
Your question brings something to light here. How exactly do you use your phone? See, for me, I almost never have to charge and listen to my phone at the same time. I only really do this at work, and then I only care having my phone at a fuller charge if it's under 20% or if I know I'm going out after.
Besides that, I almost never charge my phone while listening to it. Netflix? I have a projector in my room to watch TV. Listening to music on the go / gym? Never plugged in to a charger while I'm moving.
What gets me about this is that it really feels like some sort of money scheme. How can Apple save more of the money that it's making? By not producing headphones. There was really no real reason to remove the headphones, except to push bluetooth and wireless technology. People are already easing into bluetooth technology, you don't need to force them.
e3o2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:29:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
GPS on a road trip and want to listen to music?
envyxd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:47:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have bluetooth in my car, so I never use my headphones while driving. I can charge my phone and listen to music and have the GPS on with one cable.
Also, I don't really go on road trips or travel for long periods of time like that. I've only been on one real road trip in my life and my phone was on bluetooth, so it didn't matter to me
e3o2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:11:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but not everyone, like myself, has Bluetooth in their car. It's a bad decision imo. Plus it you're in a friend's car you can no longer just plug in and play a song
envyxd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:25:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Then the iPhone 7 may not be the best thing for you, and that's something that you just have to acknowledge.
See, it works for me because I do have bluetooth.
The thing here is, you can think of endless scenarios where it's going to be difficult for you. But then you're just fantasizing. Me being in a friend's car.. see that never happens to me. I live in NYC and when I meet up with my friends, it's usually us going out and do something. I'm hardly in someone else's car. If I am in someone else's car and they have an aux, then they can use their phone to play music. If I really want to play something for them, well thank god there's youtube, right? Why do we really have to jump through hoops when there's reasonable alternatives.
If people want to adapt, they will. There was a big fuss when the iPhone 5's lightning cable came out. Guess what? People adapted and now you hardly see those wider cables. You still see them in some places, like the gym, but overall, hardly anywhere else.
GlueGuns--Cool ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:52:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What's wrong with criticizing the business decision, regardless of whether or not I'm in the market for an iPhone?
ControlLayer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:18:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dude don't give them ideas....
az116 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:25:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well. It has been that way for some time. Apple makes the first leap into certain things and then others follow. It's almost never popular at first, but the industry almost always follows.
reebee7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:04:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have an iPhone and probably won't be getting a 7! Unless I suddenly make enough money to buy a new Bluetooth enabled car.
DarKbaldness ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:58:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You didn't get the memo? Apple stole your pension.
hobolow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:50:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
While I agree with your overall sentiment, Apple is such a large part of the market that they could influence future designs from other makers. If enough people don't make a fuss about the design or just accept it flat out, then it could see more implementation outside of Apple. Now, I don't think this will happen because I have some faith that other companies will realize that this pisses off most consumers, but I see it as a possibility, no matter how small.
Again, I agree that many are just complaining to complain, but there could be some ramifications from this new (albeit horrible, in my opinion) design.
ChuckN0blet ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 03:00:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not true. I have an iPhone, but I won't buy another. If this move was really about innovation for their users then it wouldn't have included their proprietary bullshit. Fuck Apple, I won't buy another iPhone.
isuzorro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:45:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm guessing the 6s will continue to outsell the 7 until the next iteration comes out. I'm sticking with my 6 until I see what shakes out over the next couple years.
jamestporter ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:05:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It just works.
Killybug ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:33:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ROSE: I love you, Jack.
JACK: No...donโt say your goodbyes, Rose. Donโt you give up. Donโt do it.
ROSE: Iโm so cold.
JACK: Youโre going to get out of this...youโre going to go on and youโre going to make babies and watch them grow and youโre going to die an old lady, warm in your bed. Not here...Not this night. Do you understand me?
ROSE: I canโt feel my body.
JACK: Rose, listen to me. Winning that ticket was the best thing that ever happened to me. It brought me to you. And Iโm thankful, Rose. Iโm thankful. You must do me this honor...promise me you will survive....that you will never give up...not matter what happens...no matter how hopeless...promise me now, and never let go of that promise.
ROSE: I promise.
JACK: Never let go.
ROSE: I promise. I will never let go, Jack. Iโll never let go.โ
Trajinous ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:58:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck this, Android scored a new customer.
ilovekickrolls ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 12:58:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I work at a tech store in Sweden and Ive had multiple middle-aged Women coming up to Me and saying "Hi, I'd like a memory card for my iphone, it says my memory is full".
"Erhm, Iphones doesnt support external se cards, sorry." "What? But why?" "I dunno ask Apple"
rumborak ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 01:50:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fun fact, the headphone jack is essentially the jack switchboard operators used about 130 years ago. That's how old that design is. And just for that i wouldn't want to part with it.
kittehkillah ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:57:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lots of old technology are working just fine. Doesn't mean you have to replace it when the other solutions available just aren't up to par
final566 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 02:33:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why fix what is not broken and perfect.
[deleted] ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 02:56:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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MichaelNevermore ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 03:04:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's completely unfair. Hard disks do have a flaw: they crash easily because it's a physical needle that reads and writes data. That needle falls out of alignment or breaks, you have nothing but an ugly paperweight. Solid states don't have that problem.
But there is literally nothing wrong with headphone jacks. Zero problems. They pump out incredible sound quality and basically never break.
Your argument is a non sequitur. You're saying "if it isn't broke don't fix it" doesn't apply, but it does and you even gave an example of how it does: hard disk drives are broke in a sense, so they should be fixed. Headphone jacks are not broke, so they should remain the same.
Jeush_ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:39:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well then. We could easily point out the flaw of the headphone jack. Not powered. Not possible to power it. Want to plug in those high powered speakers? Make sure you have an external power source. Want to use those noise canceling headphones? Make sure you..... You get the point. There is no such thing as perfect. Everything can be better. The ancient old headphone jack is far from perfect.....
CB_Ranso ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What is your point? Everything you just said is not a problem. And Bluetooth is a HUGE step backwards if you're wanting to pump high quality sound on your powerful headphones.
Are you saying if you want to use high power headphones to get an amplifier? Something that even the most expensive and best sound systems use/need?
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 03:15:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In that instance then SSDs are bad too since they only have a certain amount of reads and writes it can perform. Granted it's a very large number but it's still the case.
rumpleforeskin83 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:57:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This has not been an issue for many years, and even then it was blown wildly out of proportion.
MichaelNevermore ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:01:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's seriously not even relevant. No one has had that problem since the very very early days of SSDs. The only argument you could make in your favor is that SSDs are more expensive, but that's true with any superior technology, and they're getting cheaper all the time.
ffstriker ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 03:00:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not perfect. It's an analog system in an entirely digital environment. It's time.
jaab1997 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:04:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ok, then at least have 2 usb c ports?
SinisterTaco ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:14:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
its not worth reasoning with him he is an apple fanboy spamming defensive statements to any apple critique
ffstriker ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:32:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Two way street my friend
DrewsephVladmir ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:03:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have bought 5 dollar headphones, and 30 dollar headphones. I've bought 30 dollar bluetooth headphones, and 100 dollar bluetooth headphones. I have destroyed them all in a matter of weeks, and I don't know what it is about me that causes them to die so fast =(
But I have a dollar store near me that sells 3.5mm headphones for a buck, and I go through a pair about once or twice a week. But since they are so cheap, it's kinda worth it. I'd never be able to afford replacing bluetooth headphones =(
rumborak ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:15:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not that I have that high a turnover, but yeah, the beauty of the 3.5mm jack is that you can get sufficient audio quality for $20, so losing them or shredding them is not the end of the world.
$200 earbuds, god no.
jrpjesus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:53:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've found that the part of headphones that tends to fail though is the part right next to the jack? Never had a pair of Bluetooth headphones fail due to a torn wire.
AnarchyApple ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 00:50:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like my partners the way I like my phones.
More than one hole.
bokchoykn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:37:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So... mouth and butt?
-kljasd- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:25:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's the fetish
Posts_dissapointment ยท 673 points ยท Posted at 23:16:42 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Honestly, after working in the tech industry between phones and computers over the last 25 years, these days I have no idea why anyone would buy an Apple product anymore. Over priced and under specced in comparison to their non Apple counter parts.
Then again, people buy beats by dre headphones. It's just a fashion accessory now.
Edit: Ok Apple fans. I pissed you off. Sorry for that. I still need your custom and not for me to tell you what is best. If you're happy, you're happy and thats all that counts. My opinions are irrelevant. I'm serious on that. My mortgage wont pay itself.
thepingster ยท 174 points ยท Posted at 00:20:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm starting to think people really don't know Apple owns Beats.
jonnywoh ยท 58 points ยท Posted at 01:42:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I learned that just now
poor_decisions ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:40:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hm... I think I only just learned that as well.
Dyalibya ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 01:32:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How the fuck do they do it ? get people to buy stupid shit for exorbitant amounts ?
thighcandy ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 01:49:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Marketing.
derplikeaboss ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:09:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because they target the people who want to spend it. Then other people are "keeping up with the Joneses" and get it as well. Then other people get it because it's obviously cool to have with everyone else having it and most will look down on the few remaining that dont have it.
And don't forget the poor people that scrape up for it so they can feel like they fit in but deep down still know that they don't and end up missing the hype train and so stay outcasts with their outdated stuff.
I think I got a little bitter toward the end there, sorry. :(
TheBestestLaCeleste ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:00:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All of what you said is fact. Dont feel bad.
Its assinine. People hate the idea of a buisnessman (trump) running america but they let a buisness (apple) run their life/opinions. WAKE UP ITS ALL BULLSHIT!
iamaquantumcomputer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:00:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because they've turned it into a status symbol. Being able to afford the exorbitant price indicates you have money
Fnhatic ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:59:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The vast majority of people are incredibly stupid.
envyxd ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:26:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be clear here, Beats existed on its own. Apple bought it, and the prices for the items are still around the same range they were before.
DerpSenpai ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:07:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
wow, TIL, i knew that they sold them in their stores but i didnt know they completely owned them
xbbdc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His point is Beats like Apple is an overpriced and very well marketed product.
JustOneSexQuestion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:07:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But they could still do wired ones, right?
shibby008 ยท 263 points ยท Posted at 23:49:35 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Under-specced?
Brookstone317 ยท 225 points ยท Posted at 23:52:15 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
85% because of the OS.
Android OS is a shamble.
That said, I won't buy another iPhone (had one since 3).
Panaka ยท 212 points ยท Posted at 00:51:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It really isn't. The A series of chipsets Apple has made is always a year or two ahead of anything anyone else can come up with. With Qualcomm floundering since the 801 and Samsung unable to ramp up production of their own SoC's to market to other OEMs, Apple will continue to reign supreme.
I love Android/Google, but Apple has always had the best SoCs and radios on the market.
GodKingThoth ยท 88 points ยท Posted at 01:30:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is true. When a dual core chip with insanely good singlethreaded performance gets a close score to an 8 core heater in benchmarks, you can't keep saying it's underspecced processor wise. The gpu has always been tops as well. The things that are underspacced are screen resolution and ram. Coming from a pcmaster race/jailbreak master race user.
limenuke ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 02:01:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
It really doesn't matter that there's so little RAM. Adding RAM is not a difficult task. The beauty of iOS and the kernel is that it is amazing at managing RAM. It'll keep your apps in the background while running FB messenger at its full frame rate (FB messenger is notoriously hungry for everything). It'll run Snapchat with no lag. My burner Moto G4 Plus cannot do any of this without coughing and stuttering.
If you can find a legitimate use case where the RAM is the limiting factor on an iPhone, I'll be surprised. This is the phone that's capable of recalling almost all of its photos onto one screen to let you browse through everything chronologically, without lagging. The amount of RAM on board the device is not relevant in this discussion.
ragamufin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:05:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
your phone cant run snapchat without stuttering?
limenuke ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 08:55:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Have you ever tried recording video on Snapchat on a non flagship Android phone? I didn't expect that it would stutter either. It's pretty embarrassing.
nabbymclolsticks ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 11:51:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So comparing a non-flagship android to a flagship apple?
limenuke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:45:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, I'm not trying to say that. I'm trying to say that the G4 Plus is a modern phone that has some darn good specs. For all intents and purposes, these specs should be enough to run snapchat. For some reason, it can't run a very basic and 'essential' app by today's standards. I do not think it has anything to do with the hardware on the phone - it is likely the firmware or kernel causing the stuttering.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 02:00:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Screen resolution I will give you. RAM I won't. Technically, it has less ram, yes. But iOS is so well optimized it doesn't make a difference in usability. If an iPhone with 2GB of RAM can outperform a droid with 4, can you really still call it underspecced?
GodKingThoth ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:11:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well I jailbreak my iphones and running multiple applications simultaniously works well on 2 gigs, but I'd really love to have 3gigs just cause sometime springboard kills itself because it thinks a daemon is using too much ram. Then again, most tweaks aren't optimized and dont tell the system to not kill itself lol. Wish they did.
HubbaMaBubba ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:28:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ram capacity doesn't directly affect performance unkess you don't have enough for the task you're currently doing.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:35:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. And iOS runs efficiently enough that it isn't negatively impacted by the amount of RAM. I never get why people complain about the amount of RAM on iPhones or MacBooks when both of them run so smoothly. There's so much more to it than just raw numbers.
HubbaMaBubba ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:52:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Its nice leaving apps for a while and returning to them exactly as you left them. I really hate scrolling down a webpage, checking a few things on some other apps, and returning to a webpage that has been refreshed.
RenanGreca ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:27:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
RAM isn't underspecced because iOS manages memory much better than Android, benchmarks show it. Agree on the screen, but it was them who pushed the High DPI market back with the iPhone 4, they just haven't bothered increasing the pixel density since then, which is fine for most applications.
wafflesareforever ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:58:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's all fine and good, but these days even the $200 Android phones (like the Nexus 5x I'm typing this on) are more than fast enough even for a geek like me. I want a phone that doesn't ever lag, lets me log in with my fingerprint, has a solid camera, and supports all of the important apps. I've got that. Why do I need a $799 iPhone?
UrEx ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:03:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's talking about Apple products in general. They're - for the price tag - underspecced.
Name me one Apple product and I can name you an alternative for 50-80% of the price with equal or better performance. That's especially true for Mac Pros.
Their software works great with their hardware but that's about all Apple has going for them.
GodKingThoth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:09:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel that definitely. Price to performance is a non-existant term in Apples ecosystem. Their macbooks have shit intel cpus. My razer blade 16 costs as much as one and has a freakin 970m in it, then you compaire that with the shit cpu in macbooks to the 6700hq its no question. So i definitely get the money argument, I just thought he was dnjx to underperforming side by side with other phone hardware.
chickdan ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I do not, I mean I seriously do not understand why Apple continues with their 750p shit. People are beginning to move on to 4k and Apple is still shilling 750p (which doesn't even make any sense, how the hell did they get 750 when 720 is/was the standard!?)!
Megaflaem ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:56:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I dont really get this. There isnt much tangible difference between 720p and 1080p in my eyes, and I definitely dont see the thing with 4K. 720p, to me, seems like a pretty decent size where you can also get more performance and save battery.
chickdan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:13:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A good test is to watch a 720p video then watch it in 1080p (or compare side to side). This probably won't work on YouTube though since they compress things so heavily to begin with. On smaller devices it's not super noticeable but it can be sometimes.
Have you by chance seen a good 4k tv in person? If you have then maybe you are somebody who just doesn't care enough to see the difference lol, and there is nothing wrong with that.
Quivex ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:35:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's a huge difference between 4k on a 60" TV and a 5" phone...750p I agree is far too low, but for normal use anything past 1440p on a phone is completely indiscernible.
4k won't matter on phones until phone driven VR becomes more mainstream...hopefully sooner than later.
Megaflaem ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've done that. I can see a pretty decent difference on my TV between 720p and 1080p, and I can see it on my laptop as well. I can't see it on my phone though, as I usually hold it far enough that it doesn't really matter so much.
I've seen Samsung's UHD TVs and they're pretty nice. (saw the 60" one I think, or 55". It was curved is what I remember) I can kinda differentiate between their test 4K and 1080 footage, but again, standing about 5-6 feet away, that difference goes away for me.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:03:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
More ram and oled, and then it will be uber.
GodKingThoth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually the rumor is apple is using oled in the next iphone as a transitional screen since they are working on something like MicroLED (or something). Should be interesting to see what gpu they use when their new screen tech is finally available.
kbotc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:51:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yea, Apple bought the guys who hold a ton of the patents and I figure it will be an Apple exclusive for awhile.
arkain123 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:40:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Straight up fact. Their photo correction software is also unparalleled.
Too bad everything else about the way the phone works sucks balls. It's a really smooth, really polished turd.
Nosiege ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:35:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In effect though, the differences between Apple's and their competitors are negligible to the point where I can't honestly consider it a selling point.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:40:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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Panaka ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:50:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Think of it this way. The new SoC is twice as powerful as the old one, so to do its normal tasks it only needs half of the chip to meet the same demands. This means less overall power consumption by the SoC and better battery life.
This is how newer phones get better battery life than previous devices when they're packing smaller batteries.
edit: I should say that this is what SoC design hopes for. Normally a newer chip can be more efficient so it can do more with less. Other times you end up with the 820.
HubbaMaBubba ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:32:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't work that way.
snowcobra ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:50:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait for the coming iOS updates. Whether the phone actually slows down due to poor optimization (or bloating) or you get to play with the full power of a new 7 and begin to mentally use that as a benchmark, the 6s will begin to feel slower. It sucks to say that because I absolutely love my 6s+ 128gb at the moment.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:47:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Go look at the camera quality of the iPhone 6 and the Galaxy S4...big difference...go look at the screen resolution of the iPhone 6 and the Galaxy S4....big difference, go look at when the S4 came out and when the iPhone 6 came out and then be shocked.
Lol at the downvote, it's true though. iPhone 6 rear camera is only 8mp, galaxy s4 is 13mp, s4 resolution is 1080x1920 while the iPhone 6 is a lot less.
thatdudeman52 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:00:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can make an argument for SoCs but radios has been Motorola for a long long time.
unclelimpy ยท -15 points ยท Posted at 01:29:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
K bud.
d30f2n ยท 161 points ยท Posted at 00:17:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow how did you learn how to use an iPhone at 3 years old?
OhWhatsHisName ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:40:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's currently only 10 years old?
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:33:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Regis_DeVallis ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:43:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hike my iPhone I'm going in!
banjohusky95 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:18:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, I'm really busy and don't have time to go on a nice hike. Maybe a short walk around the block?
Duncandisorderly271 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:43:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hold my baby I'm goin in!
Pi4zza ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:43:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hold my kid, i'm going in!
aefax ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:17:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
hold my childhood, im goin' in!
Evil_Bonsai ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:52:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't that what most parents do these days, instead of actually raising their children, just give them some electronic pacifier so the parent won't have to parent?
_Fudge_Judgement_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:58:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The crazy thing is I've seen kids younger than 3 operating ipads. A lady I worked with had a two year old that could swipe through the pages until she found the icon for her game and start it up. Admittedly, the game itself was designed for toddlers, but it was amazing to see how early she had figured out the basic mechanics. She couldn't even speak yet.
OceanKMac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:54:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At least at 3 he's in Apple's target market
inEffected ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:13:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I get the joke but my 3 year old is a pro with the kindle
blackmagicwolfpack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:27:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They just work.
DoctorsHateHim ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:57:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So intuitive!
Jakeymike ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:38:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You'd be surprised. My nephew isn't three yet and he's extremely fluent with iOS devices. I mean, he can't hold a conversation yet, but he does know how to use an iphone.
spooky_spageeter ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 01:05:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Hold my banana, I'm going in!
Edit: Reddit doesn't like people who don't take Reddit jokes seriously
Taikwin ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:25:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That ain't how it works, mister.
spooky_spageeter ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:49:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I just wanted to feel like I was part of something, even if I'm not actually a part of anything ... :(
d30f2n ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:16:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
don't worry I still love you
ROPROPE ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:30:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
shh bby is ok
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:13:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hold your own damn banana
E1294726gerw-090 ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 01:28:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In what possible way is it a shamble? Maybe if you go back as far as 4.0, but have you even seen Marshmallow? it's fucking fantastic.
[deleted] ยท 69 points ยท Posted at 01:48:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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humanmanguy ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:01:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hope you don't think those are the only freedoms Android offers.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:19:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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Antabaka ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:13:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No arguing, but there's a lot more than rooting and roms worth mentioning. The ability to install apps not from a curated store, the freedom of apps both on and off the store to be whatever they want - browsers with custom rendering engines come to mind.
E1294726gerw-090 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:26:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a nexus 6p owner, I've never experienced any of these issues. Maybe it's because Google focus on making sure the Nexus series are perfect and neglect the other platforms a bit.
repens ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:45:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
> neglect the other platforms a bit.Are not at all responsible for other manufacturer's phones and decision making*
E1294726gerw-090 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:12:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Youre absolutely right. It's up to the others what changes and modifications they make to their versions of Android.
kick_his_ass_sebas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:39:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
what is SMS?
domo9001 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:20:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's hard to find someone today who has never put hands on iOS or Android, but if you have ever witnessed a tech noob operate an iPhone next to an Android, there is absolutely no contest. The struggle is very very real.
I spent about 8 seconds trying to find how to switch apps on an Android once upon a time, and pretty much gave up on the entire platform since that day. I don't have time for this shit. Nexus are the nicest, and the software truly keeps getting more and more impressive. Google are greek gods of software for real it's not even worth trying.
But iOS.... creates reflexes, versus Android's UI which I feel requires too much accuracy, concentration, memorization. And the worst part is how satisfied they are with it. There is still a ways to go.
Shit is like a homemade prototype race car next to a stock 5 series. I know which one I want to drive daily if I have to. I know I look like a douche. I know I overpaid. I know it goes slower.
I pay extra to not think about my phone. The pedals are in the same place as every other car.
barjam ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 01:52:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a software developer who does mobile it is in shambles. I hate developing for that platform so much. Thankfully the android market isn't as strong as iOS so not as many folks want that sort of work (not as profitable).
esreveReverse ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:44:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is ridiculous. No one is just developing for one platform anymore.
If I had to guess, the "I hate developing for Android," is really code for "I suck developing for Android." Thus, why you think no one wants Android apps developed.
triple_verbosity ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:48:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not really. Programming in Swift and developing layouts with AutoLayout and size classes is soooo much more enjoyable than writing Java for Android. Not to mention you usually get paid more as an iOS developer, not always but that's been my experience.
esreveReverse ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:28:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You just compared layout building in iOS to logical programming in Android. How about comparing Java to working on legacy code in Objective C? How would that comparison work out for ya? Besides, once you actually learn how layouts work in Android you can breeze through it. It's tedious until you have an understanding of it. At my contracting company, our current iOS developer wishes he could go back to Android.
barjam ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:43:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I never said we didn't. I just pointed out that developing for that environment sucks and since the ROI is less it isn't as desirable.
esreveReverse ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:29:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
...
Ftfy
formerteenager ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:41:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't the expression "in shambles"?
humanmanguy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:00:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Was that really so far away? Still feels like that release dropped the other day. It also wasn't "shambles"
E1294726gerw-090 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:27:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
4.0 was fucking ages ago in terms of how far the os has come.
And 4.0 was trash. I have it in my car and it does its job, but it's a really bad operating system.
arcticgiraffe ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:44:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah Android OS has been decent since Jellybean
gaming_murican ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:04:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
but what about my peeps?
DontcarexX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like cotton candy the most
hanoobslag ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:42:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Disclosure I have an android phone: however at least when apple release an update everyone gets it on time. (Not 8 months)
E1294726gerw-090 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:11:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have a nexus and get them immediately. The main reason for the delays in other platforms is because Sony, Samsung, htc, all the other manufacturers as well, like to Fetter and change the os before they install it on their phones. You can thank them for that
hanoobslag ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:13:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Obviously i've had first hand accounts with Samsung at att.
vibrate ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:09:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's decent, it's still very slow compared to iOS.
E1294726gerw-090 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:29:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It most certainly is not. The ONLY time my os is a bit slow and jumpy is when my battery dips below 15% and battery saver comes on.
vibrate ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 02:57:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's slow compared to iOS.
E1294726gerw-090 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:10:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In what way? Youre full of it mate. It's immediately responsive. It's literally as fast as it can be on my phone. Any faster and menus would be appearing before I fucking tapped them.
vibrate ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:26:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
That's not how you measure performance.
It underperforms in games and other processor heavy activities.
This is widely accepted, even by Google engineers, and has been for years. It's a known issue with the architecture of Android and how it runs on multiple devices. It will never change.
http://www.cultofmac.com/303223/ios-twice-memory-efficient-android-heres/
https://meta.discourse.org/t/the-state-of-javascript-on-android-in-2015-is-poor/33889
https://www.gamebench.net/blog/iphone-6s-gaming-ranked-against-android-rivals
http://bgr.com/2015/11/10/ios-vs-android-gaming/
http://bgr.com/2014/09/22/iphone-6-vs-android-performance-tests/
http://appleinsider.com/articles/15/07/11/gamebench-shows-iphone-6-beats-galaxy-s6-in-game-performance-better-looking-graphics
http://gizmodo.com/when-it-comes-to-gaming-the-iphone-will-always-stomp-t-1767701278
http://www.wired.com/2013/02/android-vs-iphone-games/
Full of facts you don't like it seems.
(I use a Nexus 6P)
BearBruin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:54:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
lol
Shiznot ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 00:17:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Found the fanboy. Having used both the two OSes might as well be flavors of the same thing when it comes to functionality, stability, and style.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:58:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Java / the JVM is always going to be less efficient than the native code used for apps on the iPhone. Android phones can match and exceed the performance of iOS, but require higher specs to do so.
Shiznot ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 01:04:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
IIRC many simpler apple apps are actually webkit shells encapsulate java so the developer doesn't need to develop two apps for each ecosystem. If that's still true the apple based java apps would perform poorer.
Also C is ancient and inflexible without some fineness and many shovel ware app developers lack in that category.
Lastly android supports Java, Javascript, C++, Python, Go, Sawzal apparently.
Lucky_Chuck ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:45:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're thinking of hybrid apps. Webkit is the web browser which runs HTML CSS and Javascript. They run pretty poorly on both systems. Remember, Java is to Javascript as Car is to Carpet
[deleted] ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 00:34:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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standbyforskyfall ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 00:36:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I don't think I've ever had gps crash on me, and I've been using Android for like 6 years now
4thaccount_heyooo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:41:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've also had android phones for about 6 years, and it happens all the time to me. But I always buy the cheapest, shittiest phone I can.
E1294726gerw-090 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:29:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Never happened to me once. Maybe don't buy a shitty phone.
nyrol ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:13:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah the Nexus 5X, LG G2, galaxy S3, and Nexus 10 I have are all shitty. Perhaps I should get one of those better ones.
Shiznot ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 00:40:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Herp Derp fanboy
nyrol ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:41:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. Me. An android user, an Apple fanboy.
Shiznot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:48:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Apparently. The kind of thing you are mentioning is only possible because android is free and can be used by anyone. iOS on the other hand is not.
Its the exact same thing as windows VS Mac OS. Mac users claim their OS is more stable when this is only true because practically nobody makes drivers for it. They claim their OS is more secure (provably not true) because nobody bothers targeting the minority market share.
throwawayfume10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:54:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Found the fanboy.
Shiznot ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:59:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm practical as opposed to a fanatic. I have a Nexus 5 because I'd rather have my money than a new shiny toy to brag about. Before that I had a Droid 2.
knukx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:37:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah you sound like a fanboy lol
Shiznot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:41:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did you miss the /s or are you insinuating not buying things makes you a fanboy.
knukx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:56:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just the way you phrased that sentence made your biases pretty clear. Not missing a /s.
Shiznot ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:05:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't buy new iPhones either, I claim the two platforms are roughly equal. There is no bias, you just want to pretend there is because it makes you feel better.
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Shiznot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:15:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
See point above, you obviously didn't read it.
xiofar ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:28:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Was it difficult to pull that factually handicapped number from thin air?
Brookstone317 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:10:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes.
It took 3 seconds of hard research and then picked a number between 50 and 100.
JizzCreek ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 01:36:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, it's actually a dream to use. The reason iOS draws so many people is because of iMessage/Facetime exclusivity. Ladies look at you with disgust if you slide into their DM's in puke-green.
Brookstone317 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:05:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And not having to root the phone to get a clean (non carrier branded) OS.
And to get updates.
GodKingThoth ยท 59 points ยท Posted at 01:32:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Screen resolution and ram, yes. Processor and gpu no. People get mad when a dual core apple chip beats their 8 core qualcomm in benchmarks and go straight to ram and screen size cause they know songle threaded performance is best. Gpu in iphones have always been tops at release as well. all you gotta do is jailbreak it and you got yourself android functionality on iOS b
snowcobra ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 01:52:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly don't know how much better screen resolution needs to be on a fucking 4" screen. 720p is really good for watching videos, and 1080p on my 6s+ is fucking beautiful. I really don't think I'd be able to appreciate the benefits of 4k on a 4" screen without going blind. As far as more RAM goes, I'll just download more /s
good_morning_magpie ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:14:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No matter how great the resolution gets, my eyes are still shitty :-/
arkain123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:44:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just want a phone with the note 7's battery and 1080 screen. Give me a fucking battery that lasts two days, for the love of christ
porkyboy11 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:03:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
resolution is big if you use things like gear vr or Google cardboard
snowcobra ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:12:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fair enough, limited-capability VR would definitely benefit from 1440p minimum resolution. If it was my money though, with the rate that VR seems to be advancing at it seems like getting a dedicated gaming PC is a cheaper way to go VR in the long term instead of playing catchup to developers every 2 years with new phones.
porkyboy11 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:39:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have an s7 the resolution is comfortable enough to watch a movie in gear vr but I can't wait until we get 4k+ phones as it is noticeable
crank1000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:16:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The curse of the iPhone double space.
andonevris ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:35:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
then have your phone bricked if you try an upgrade... sounds great
GodKingThoth ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:35:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow were do you get your misinformation? Cause its frustratingly good at making something out of nothing. Unless... are you living in 2009?
GodKingThoth ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:15:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously? All you have to do is go into DFU mode and restore in iTines. Damn, are people really this misinformed?
TheBestestLaCeleste ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 03:03:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh ok np then? All i got to do is void the warranty of my 700$ phone to actually have control of it.............
GodKingThoth ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:39:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ignorance in your understanding is apparent and I don't care to even correct you.
huppfi ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 05:23:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How is he wrong? Genuinely asking, since where I am from we lose warranty when you jailbreak it.
theriverman ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:39:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jailbreak is 100% reversible. No way to void the warranty.
huppfi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:46:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Gotcha thanks! I thought it was not possible to reverse it.
TheBestestLaCeleste ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 06:29:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You cared enough to reply. Stfu
Rodot ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 02:45:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
iPhones are not as good at multitasking or multiprocessing which android does a lot of.
GodKingThoth ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:44:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jailbroken, it's as customizable as android in that regard. Windowed apps, running background apps as if its in foreground, instant kill, modifying apples suspend time. If you reduce apples low power mode cpu throttle(80%) by changing the plist file to something like 50% or whatever, and use lpm then set multitasking (dissident tweak) to autokill every app when you leave its very useful to help control battery use. Per app controls are really were its at though. Like I said, same in that sense, of course you must jailbreak which is unfortunate. I love jb iOS and hate stock
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 05:13:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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extoxic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:10:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We are talking phones here maybe read what you are replying to
DJPelio ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 01:44:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was about to get the note 7, but then saw the speed comparison video with iPhone 6. The weak iPhone 6 is still 2x faster than Samsung's flagship. Nothing pisses me off more than slow phones.
jpark28 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:25:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Get a phone with stock android. Nexus 6P ftw.
JorusC ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 02:07:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most if not all of that speed is smoke and mirrors. Apple set up their apps so they would load a screenshot of an app's menu before the menu itself had loaded, so it looked faster even if it was loading slower than the Android.
DJPelio ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:11:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The test involved using the apps, not just opening them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-61FFoJFy0
am0x ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:46:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's like arguing that it is dumb to buy a Mercedes over a Mustang since the Mustang is cheaper and has a bigger engine.
MethodicallyMediocre ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Its street for specifications. It has been taken out of context, and turned into a verb.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:19:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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xiofar ยท 85 points ยท Posted at 01:27:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The removal if the headphone jack is total idiocy but Apple phones are easily outperforming Android phones. Look at Anandtech testing. Apple's A series is easily the best SOC on the market.
Apple's pricing of their internal memory is very high but they also tend to have much faster memory than anyone else.
barjam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:54:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am not planning to by the 7 but honestly the lack of a headphone jack is irrelevant to me. In a year or two android will follow the lead and largely ditch the jack as well.
xiofar ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:13:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It would make a little more sense if Android manufacturers ditched the headphone jack. I don't know anyone that uses their headphones as much as iPhone users.
ffstriker ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:02:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hence the included lightning headphones and adaptor. Not to mention the growing Bluetooth options.
xiofar ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:17:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The included dongle is not a solution. Nobody likes dongles. That's not a solution. Needing a dongle is the problem.
People like using their headphones while charging. People like using any type of headphone available.
ffstriker ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:29:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
RemindMe! 3 years "When no one is doing the headphone jack anymore"
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:19:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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FatalFirecrotch ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:03:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am not choosing to ignore the solutions and alternatives, but as an iphone user I have really mixed fillings about this. I think this is really people overreacting, but with legitimate concerns. Unless there was a solution presented I didn't see, I can no longer listen to headphones while having my phone charge. Of course I can go bluetooth on headphones, but it seems like a shitty alternative to have to spend money on a product to solve a solution to a problem that has never existed. I wouldn't have nearly as much a problem personally if they fully committed to bluetooth as a headphone solution and just gave you bluetooth heads with the phone.
This situation reminds me a lot of the Xbox One announcement. Xbox was right in that gaming is going to an all digital, always connected future, but they made the move too early so it bit them in the ass. Apple realistically is probably just 2-3 years too far ahead in making this move. Bluetooth headphones aren't everyone's go to choice yet.
xiofar ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:29:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Proprietary crap that only works on iPhones and nothing else. Can't charge phone while using headphones.
$160 for easy to lose headphones. Another thing to charge. Most likely crap sound quality just like every pair of Bluetooth headphones I've ever used.
Same problems as the Airpods
Nobody likes dongles. Can't charge phone while using headphones.
Every solution sucks when compared to just having a headphone jack.
If they had left the headphone jack in the design, every single one of those "solutions" would still work. I'm willing to bet that the vast majority would just stick to normal wired headphones.
huppfi ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:31:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you serious? It's not a solution if you created the problem in the first place.
Why would I buy headphones that only work with my phone?
Why should I buy Bluetooth headphones that are way worse than wired ones.
I am not ignoring solutions and alternatives, I am mad that a company this big chooses to do shit like this to scam their consumers.
ffstriker ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 03:33:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because Apple haters are worse then the fan boys. Unfortunately it's primarily android fan boys that do it.
xiofar ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:36:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm due for an iPhone replacement. I use my wired headphones every single day.
I use my Bluetooth headphones occasionally at work.
Wired is much better in every possible comparison except that it has a wire.
I'm want to replace my iPhone 6. This is a pretty huge disappointment.
ffstriker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:23:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then use the included lightning headphones or the included adaptor
rustybuckets ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 03:18:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I liked their point. That in order to move forward you gotta break shit. Whenever decisions are made at this level people lose their minds.
modal11 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:41:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.reddit.com/r/gifs/comments/51nxar/android_exclusive/d7dmpya
rustybuckets ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:56:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah because sport franchises are the same as mass produced consumer technology.
draemscat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:31:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm genuinely curious, what do regular people do with their phones to need that kind of performance? I can't think of anything aside from streaming 4K videos (which probably almost nobody does) or playing games (which isn't really a reason to buy an expensive phone).
xiofar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:38:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To me, speed is important because it makes every action quicker and more responsive. It's more pleasing to use and to the eye.
draemscat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:31:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, I think most smartphones passed that point a long time ago, unless you need to instantly load 300MB PDF files. You certainly don't need a GPU capable of running Crysis.
sungazer69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:27:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well when you only need to develop a chip for YOUR hardware...
xiofar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:53:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's a nonsense argument.
sungazer69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:08:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Partly. I think it's a combination of what I said AND that only a few companies have control over this market in the US.
xiofar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:47:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think it has more to do with the chip-maker's (Qualcomm) motivation to improve their SOCs and phone manufacturer's willingness to purchase state of the art hardware.
Apple has a lot of motivation in keeping their money maker full of quality parts.
Urgranma ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 02:10:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Outperforming in benchmarks, but premium Android phones are fast enough in real world use that it really isn't noticeable. Not to mention: removable memory.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:29:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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Urgranma ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 03:33:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just because a few idiots argue that their excessively fast (but only slightly faster than the competitors) cpu/gpu is faster in a few benchmarks, doesn't make the entire device better or function better in the real world. There are people on both sides arguing the specs, don't pretend it's just android users.
DisagreeablePaladin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:38:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Both of those statements are wrong. See: Note 7.
Pokepokalypse ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 01:41:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My MacBook Pro is a fucking beast. Batteries last longer than Ron Jeremy. But yeah, my employer paid for it, and if I had to pay for that shit myself, I'd be in Dell-land.
amoxvox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:43:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Never buy dell! Never ever! Go for IBM Toshiba lenovo etc
bat03 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:58:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why?
amoxvox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:32:04 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Poor battery. And not battery itself but the hw around battery. Bad service. Frustratingly slow processor.
nazihatinchimp ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 01:48:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Programming on a Mac is great. I noticed that you didn't mention what you actually do.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:24:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
cause he's full of shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit
FF13LightningReturns ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 01:35:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
because paper specs doesnt mean shit. watch the speed test
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-61FFoJFy0
Arkajion ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 04:00:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well fucking done, you've now properly demonstrated that phones designed for simplicity, not functionality, can launch applications faster than those designed for maximum functionality.
Do you want a cookie?
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 01:27:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Their iMessage and FaceTime combo is truly awesome. I know for a fact that it keeps a lot of people from switching.
If they put those in the Google play store, it would certainly open up the doors for many people.
bon_bons ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:53:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
theyre trying to but theyre doing it all wrong. theyre releasing them as two separate apps not even integrated into the texting app. google is so out of touch
BaghdadBeauties ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:54:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
BBM is cross platform and allows video chat across both iOS and android.
mtlyoshi9 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:44:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And nobody uses it. Hence the problem.
It's like how Google+ was a great idea in theory.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:01:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can't explain why that doesn't get traction. I just know Apple has it, especially with iMessage.
I was on a two year old thread of messages between me and 3 friends. I switched to Samsung. No problem, just have to start over. Nope. iMessage just ignores me. That's what's keeping people on board. That's why Apple wont port it.
BaghdadBeauties ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:35:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's such a great product. I wish it had less stigma and better marketing.
ConcedeDota ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:45:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
imessage fucking blows. archaic as hell.
facetime is fantastic
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upallnighttogetLUC-y ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 01:27:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't recommend it for that reason. I have an iphone 5c and after the update to ios9 it runs like absolute ass. Even simple stuff like podcast apps are barely functional and crash constantly.
Mezujo ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:56:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't worry. I have an iphone 6 and it runs like an absolute ass on the latest ios updates as well.
I'm in need of a new phone and I was going to go for the Iphone 7, but it seems like it's just a massive disappointment over all... Don't know which phone I'm going to go for now.
good_morning_magpie ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:15:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Really? I have a 6+ that's been running flawlessly since day one. I couldn't even tell you the last time any of my apps crashed or I had any kind of issue.
loldudester ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:10:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My 6 is running fine.
Also tried it on the iOS 10 beta and it was fine too (minus some bugs in the first beta).
firstsnowfall ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:49:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What? Iphone 6 should not run like ass. Something is wrong with your phone. I upgraded to a 6s recently, which is an amazing phone, but I remember the 6 being quite fast. My only issue with it was apps reloading bc of the lower RAM
rustybuckets ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:14:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm quite curious as to what problems he could possibly be having with it given I have the same phone. Maybe he's on the public beta?
Mezujo ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:50:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've had it checked at the store and they said there was nothing wrong with it.
firstsnowfall ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 03:39:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Then you're imagining things ๐ Just kidding. I replied in another comment with some advice
FatalFirecrotch ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:56:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously, I have a 6. I have never had a single update decrease the performance of my phone (at least not noticeably).
rustybuckets ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:15:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What version are you running and what problems are you having?
Mezujo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:39:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Running on 9.3.5 and outside of lag issues and slow performance, the main issue is that it'll randomly exit out of an app sometimes. Not frequently but without me touching it, it'll sometimes just go back to the homescreen. Has happened only on Youtube and Safari, but then again, that's about the only reason I use my phone outside of making calls so not enough to tell the cause of that.
firstsnowfall ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:21:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Have you tried restoring from a backup? Or just resetting and starting a fresh to see if software is the issue? Then you'll narrow it down to hardware. If you can demonstrate this at the Apple store then they should definitely replace it. I've never encountered this issue.
Mezujo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:12:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Unfortunately, I'm one of the idiots who originally didn't keep a backup so I wouldn't be able to do this.
InducedLobotomy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:43:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Id recommend a phone you can talk on.
assasstits ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:51:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Would strongly recommend the Nexus 6p. It's a fantastic phone. It's google so you get the latest android updates. Android N(ougat) just came out.
Mach10X ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:43:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Have you done any troubleshooting at all? Sounds like your OS got screwed up in the update. Backup, restore, setup as new and test it out, load your backup.
Call or chat Apple, chat is 24/7, they'll get you fixed. Support in most countries is free no matter how old your phone is.
Wehavecrashed ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:02:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My 5 runs fine...
sssaaammm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:50:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Meanwhile I have a 5s and it runs perfectly on the latest OS.
Mach10X ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:41:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Have you done any troubleshooting at all? Sounds like your OS got screwed up in the update. Backup, restore, setup as new and test it out, load your backup.
jonnyclueless ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:53:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Runs great on a 5s. Glad I didn't go for the cheap model.
GloriousHam ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:17:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What a wonderful solution to the problem.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 02:33:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've got a 6s (i think. It's the tablet sized one) that is basically a paperweight since ios9. It's my work phone and I carry my android around for anything except work calls and emails. I've found myself getting closer and closer to accidentally malicious dropping it to not have to wait for it to unstuck itself after I delete a voice mail or exit an email. I have to reset the gorram thing 8 times a day.
boltsteve ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:11:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
6s came with ios9 from the factory.
rustybuckets ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:17:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
6s is the mini version, they're referring to the 6+ and also sounds like they don't know what they're talking about.
boltsteve ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:18:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A redditor full of BS and looking for karma?!? That would never happen.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:42:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Admittedly I don't know much about it. I don't really care to either. I'm fine with using my galaxy for everything I need to do that isn't making calls or email. Hell, if I could put my work email on my personal phone I would. I don't know why searching for messages in my inbox is so horrible on my iPhone but it is. I'll type in exactly who the email I'm searching for is from, knowing they've sent it this week and come up with nothing. And since the last update, it's now trying to auto populate names into the fields which is becoming increasingly frustrating. I'm trying to quickly reply to someone and after I've added our security code it starts trying to populate names rather than just letting me type the fucking message.
It's updated twice since I've had it and each time it's gotten worse.
firstsnowfall ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:51:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Something is clearly wrong with your phone. The 6+ runs ios9 just fine. I would take it to the Apple store and get it looked at
heinous_anus- ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 01:39:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trust me, the older devices running the latest iOS don't do it very well. My girlfriend had a 5c that worked great, but the second she updated to iOS8(i think that was the one) the phone ran like complete shit. It started to get really buggy and ran extremely slow.
arijitlive ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:41:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have office provided iPhone 4 (A1387) and recently throat-fucked by Apple with iOS 9.3.
Now I've to literally wait two seconds after pressing phone icon, another few seconds to search the number, another second to press the name ... then another second or two to display the calling screen. Fuck my life and iPhone. It's crawling like hell!
daddonuts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:01:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The 4 is also about 6 years old, so you have to take that into account. It's impressive that it can even run the latest OS and still function at all. Are there any 6 year old android devices that could run the latest release of android?
GV18 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:41:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There were problems on all iPhones when they first released it. Then again, 8.0.1 caused issues for Touch ID when released, within 3 hours it was removed, and then within 24 hours it was re-released and fixed.
regiment262 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 01:53:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah.... because you're getting phones that aren't directly Google products running stock Android. My Nexus 5, released in 2013, still gets the latest Android updates because it's Google's phone. If you're going to make comparisons, at least make sure you're comparing Nexus devices, since all other Android devices run company specific versions of Android that need their own development team to update after Google releases the newest version of stock Android. Plus I'd probably still be using my Nexus 4 if it's battery hadn't been damaged from repeated dropping, and it'd probably be running the newest version of Android.
memorysorrowandthorn ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:28:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yea, it's a very different experience being with one of the Nexus devices. Had a motorola atrix and loved it till it got outdated and I couldn't even use half the new apps coming out and while the specs were good enough for newer versions I got left on android 2.3 simply because motorola couldn't be bothered to come out with the 4.0 update despite promising to. Now on a nexus 5X and just got android 7.0 and I'm loving it. No bloatware just a clean fast android experience.
DubistPoop ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:25:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My 5s is still running great
youreabigbiasedbaby ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:39:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And it runs like shit compared to before the forced update.
BananApocalypse ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:03:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have a 4S, and no updates were ever forced. Some were irreversible though.
HockeyBoyz3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:01:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Meh my iPhone 4S isn't running that much worse than before updating and it's not a forced update. I'm on iOS 8 not 9 idk if that makes a big difference or not.
deesmutts88 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:20:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What forced update? You're free to choose whether you update your phone.
OpinionatedRaptor ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:36:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol cute
deesmutts88 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:38:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Explain why. I haven't updated my iPhone for like a year and a half.
Lavanger ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:57:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol, don't you ever think that because it gets updated it's good, mine for example, it's slow as fuck, and the wifi doesn't work anymore because the product is bad as default. Google Iphone 4 wifi problems, and you will see how common is that problem, and how you have to pay to repair it, and that's why is my emergency phone, can't even watch netflix or listen to spotify at house without ripping data plan.
Apple is crap, don't buy that sutff, gets outdated after the next generation is out, also updates are made for newer models, not the old ones..
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 01:16:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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calderon501 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 01:31:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To provide a helpful answer... Unofficial builds are ROMs created by developers in their spare time for different Android compatible phones. Cyanogenmod was one such example of a ROM that worked across many different Android phones, but there are many many alternatives out there.
aclee_ ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:33:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Unofficial builds are custom versions of Android that developers (typically on XDA) release for phones that are unsupported/people who want a "stock" Android experience. That being said, these unofficial builds can have bugs but not all of them do. These builds can give support long after the manufacturer does (for example, my 5 year old galaxy nexus has the latest android; Google dropped support after 1 or 2 years)
Also, it's kind of silly to argue whether someone refers to their phone as an Android or a phone.
natdm ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:34:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Unofficial android operating systems that didn't ship with the phone. Like CyanogenMod.
seanbrockest ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:31:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He means software made by the community. Some fans will write software for aging hardware that the manufacturers have left behind.
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Nosiege ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 01:36:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How can a build be unofficial? Android is open source. Just because the OpenSource OS placed on a OEM's device isn't their version of the OS doesn't mean it's unofficial.
comin-in-hot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:59:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It has nothing to do with Android. ROMs still use Android. ROMs, for example CM, Paranoid, Carbon, etc., can be forked. Those forked ROMs are not official releases of the developers (CM, Paranoid, Carbon, etc.).
It really shouldn't be that difficult to understand.
Tombstoned65 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:32:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, seriously right? Shit, I am an iPhone user and even I keep up on my Cyanogenmod releases just to know what's on the market.
GodKingThoth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:44:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same here. Love android functionality but I use a jailbroken iPhone because i prefer cydia substrate tweaks over things like xposed and such.
Craggabagga1 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:18:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Any iPhone before the 6 running up to date IOS has software issues. The machines are not built for the new OS.
Android is open source. Your hardware not being able to update further is your poor choice of OEM not a fault of the OS.
So what are you smoking?
Tombstoned65 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:35:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The real problem with Android is that there is no one OS, there is a base OS and different phone manufacturers put their own shells on it and such. I actually like android, but I am a tech guy, it's not nearly as accessible as iOS is. If you are too stupid to figure out an iPhone, you go to an Apple Store and there are 15 Geniuses(TM) who will help you be less stupid. If you are an Android user, and you are too stupid to figure it out, well, you better start googling.
I am an Electrical Engineer, so I don't have either problem, but I got my parents to get iPhones so I am not stuck spending half my life fixing my parents phone problems.
Emphimisey ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:51:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually my Nexus 5 will no longer be using the newest OS, as it is unsupported by Google anymore.
Craggabagga1 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 09:09:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Now you can take that nexus 5, plug it into your PC, and run ANY OS you want by literally clicking maybe 4-5 time on your PC.
Emphimisey ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:30:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That defeats the whole point of the topic. If course I can do that. Am I going to no. Is it still supported by the manufacturer no.
Craggabagga1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:56:23 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't. The topic is centered around compatibility.
Just because the parent company is no longer supporting it, doesn't mean it isn't compatible; it's called marketing and forcing the hands and wallets of your customers.
The same way your car will last longer and save you cash if you know how it works and how to fix simple problems, knowing how your phone works will save you from getting a new one every release.
bieker ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:46:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Which high end/high quality phone hardware manufacturers are there that provide software updates?
everyoneisadj ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:05:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Anecdotally, my gf's 5s runs current iOS just fine. And I've always thought a fragmented OS/hardware community is a terrible idea. But that's just me.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:17:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Craggabagga1 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 09:08:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There are DOZENS of you.
PurpleComyn ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:51:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's smoking facts. Its a fact that Apple is far more backwards compatible. Open source or not doesn't matter when the actual practice doesn't take advantage of that. Ask any developer that deals with both what compatibility issues are like between the two platforms.
Ikeelu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You forgot to mention the latest version is also missing a lot of features in a phone that old and also doesnt run as well as it did when new.
lapotronic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:59:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
you've got comment replies up the ass, but i don't feel like reading them all so i'm going to say this anyways.
ceasing software updates after a certain point is intentionally prolonging the life of your phone. that phone was designed to run the OS it was released with, not the OS after it. you got a couple updates because your phone could handle it. then they stopped.
meanwhile, apple pushes the latest (read: more resource intense) OS to absolutely everything. iphone 4S began running like shit as soon as it got hit with iOS 7. these further updates will continue running that phone into the ground until it's near unusable. that trend will continue with every new product and every new iOS released.
each update further hindering performance of outdated phones, to encourage the user to buy the new 'fast' phone. little do they know that phone will succumb to the same fate a few years later.
UhhPhrasing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:28:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can people keep phones for five years without smashing the screen? I can, but I've never met anybody else who could which is why I think I'm not really alive.
tplee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:30:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I will say that this is the one really nice thing about iPhones. I'm still probably going to switch back to android, but at the end of the day iPhone consistently get updated and consistently work for their users. They do not have nearly the same amount of bugs or quirks android phones have.
huppfi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:10:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Using anything other than the nexus with it's stock OS is a bad idea. Just get cyanogen and you are set.
DoctorsHateHim ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:00:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As an Android developer: we still have to target Android 4.1 because there are so many devices without updates out there. And this is on a brand new app from august 2016.
stephen_hoeking ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:55:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What phone do you own?
I hate manufacturers for fucking up Android with their skins (as in TouchWiz from Samsung). It means the OS eats resources, is slow and updates come very late or never.
I owned a Nexus 5 (which I broke) and now I have a cheap ass LG G4 Stylus. The Nexus with stock android was brilliant. Fast, reliable and I was always first in line with updates. With my LG? Not so much.
If you want the true Android experience, I recommend you try a phone which runs stock android, which is how android is supposed to be.
ShaneH7646 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:34:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Older iphones running newer IOS can cause issues I've heard
wml653 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:35:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apple saying that an iPhone 4s runs the latest and it actually ruining the latest are two different things, I've had at least a half dozen friends who've had their phones bricked by updating their phones after they're one generation out of date.
Fnhatic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:01:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, you're bitching about not updating?
Forcing updates your phone can't handle is a planned obsolescence tactic Apple uses. Force an update, phone runs like shit, "Time to get a new phone!"
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xiofar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:29:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nexus doesn't have a very good history of updates either.
headpool182 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:30:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
FTFY
mr_stark ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:36:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The reason for this is that Apple controls the entire phone, inside & out: Apple software and Apple hardware.
Android is an OS that runs on multiple platforms of which is has no affiliation, very much like Windows running on just about any configuration of hardware you can throw at it.
p3ngwin ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:59:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
not with all of iOS' features it doesn't. Typically for any given upgrade, you don't get it all.
http://arstechnica.com/apple/2015/09/ios-9-on-the-iphone-4s-a-stay-of-execution-nothing-more/
Same for iPads when upgrading:
http://arstechnica.com/apple/2015/09/ios-9-on-the-ipad-2-not-worse-than-ios-8-but-missing-many-features/
k0rm ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:20:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah and my iPad was updated to the latest version and now it's completely fucked. Might as well be bricked. Talked to Apple and their solution was that I buy an iPad Air 2 LOL.
Best part is that reading online, it's happened to a ton of people and it's 100% irreversible.
seanbrockest ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:35:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's not how this works. Android is just the software ON the phone. It's up to the manufacturer to decide to support the device or not.
FowD9 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:56:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
and they make it so it runs like absolute shit on the OS... so that you go and buy the newest iphone. don't support shaddy business practices (as seen by the thread you're posting in)
alexthelyon ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:43:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then do the apple equivalent and get a nexus from Google instead of relying on shitty manufacturers. This is coming from someone who was in your position. I don't support deliberate "obsoleting" and think that android should have a minimum support requirement on new phones.
CaLiKiNG805 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 01:34:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People buy them because they look nice, run well out of the box, and they're simple. I love Android because you can fuck with it to your hearts content, but most people just want a phone that does what they need without tinkering. Most Android phones look like shit out the box; the first thing most of us do is change the homescreen and icons, but it looks cheap if you don't.
am0x ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 01:45:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you worked in the tech industry for 25 years then you would know the basics between owning a Unix system with support vs. Windows. They have their places.
On top of that, between the hundreds of laptops I have owned/used in my day, the Macbook is by far the best built machine I have ever touched. I have gone through 2 Linux machines and 3 Windows (same manufacturers in a sense, HP, Dell, Lenovo, Asus) and they absolutely could not compare even when their price tag was the same.
EmilioTextevez ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:05:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love my Macbook. I don't appreciate the trackpad enough until I use someone else's laptop.
am0x ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:20:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yea I'm pretty much ruined since using a Mac trackpad. No other laptop can even compare.
myerrrs ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 01:29:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe because I just prefer it for me. Because it's my phone and who gives a fucking shit? Maybe? I dunno.
FSU_Fan2004 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:59:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, it works great for calls, texts, taking pictures, and web browsing. That covers about 99% of what I do with my phone and can't say i've ever wanted to customize it more. Owned many Android phones and didn't like them as much.
I also give zero shits what kind of phone anyone else chooses to use.
huppfi ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 05:05:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If that's all you want why not buy a 200$ android that can do all that too?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:28:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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huppfi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:30:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean yes if that's worth 500$ to him then yeah great for him.
The motivation is money.
SQUATCH_HUNTARD ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:48:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you've been working in the industry for over 25 years and you still come up with this statement, you're a fucking idiot
Major_Dick ยท 62 points ยท Posted at 00:04:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
If you want the fastest device, you go with iOS, not Android. The main downside of an iPhone is the screen, but I find the rest of the specs don't really matter as much when the OS is faster.
EDIT: And for fun, here's a Note 7 vs iPhone 6s speed test https://youtu.be/3-61FFoJFy0 The iPhone 6s is a full year older than the Note 7.
Wynxsu ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:11:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
what's wrong with the screen?
Major_Dick ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 00:15:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No AMOLED is the main thing, but their resolutions are pretty low in comparison to the competition as well (my old S4 was 1080p and the base iPhone 7 is about 720p). Hard to say at what PPI you no longer see any gains at, but the S7 is almost 600 PPI. The best iPhone is around 400 PPI.
vibrate ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:11:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In tests there is a sweet spot between PPI and performance. Pushing more pixels means faster battery drain and hotter processors, and slower performance.
More is not always better.
haydnwolfie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:43:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can you really see that much of a difference between 1440 and 1080 with a screen that small? (honest question because i haven't looked at a Note 7 screen)
cryolems ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:42:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nope, you can't. But it's the colors that honestly matter now.
owattenmaker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:42:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Its one of those things that you can only really see when you are looking at it side by side, but you would say that the 2k screen looks objectively better at the same size.
clutchdeve ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:34:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought I saw 1080 on the 7 and 2k on the 7 Plus?
TheSumOfAllFeels ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:12:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nope. 750 on the 7, 1080 on the 7 plus.
Wynxsu ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 00:24:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But.... Apple invented the pixel ratio... and based it off of how far away the screen is, so technically, any iphones pixel ratio is perfect...
jimbo831 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:24:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. The A9 is better than anything on Android already and now Apple had the A10 coming. Specs are not the iPhones problem.
cowvin2 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:08:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
a couple of things to note here (haha)....
the note7 has close to 4x as many pixels to draw.
many applications are written for ios first and then ported to android because of how hard it is to do it the other way around. this means they are written to be fast on ios rather than android and they are often not seriously optimized for android.
that being said, at the end of the day, iphone users usually do have the more responsive experience, but it's just hard to say how much of it is because of the o.s.
Scrubbing_Bubbles ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 01:43:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So what you are saying is that it would be better to go with the iPhone?
cryolems ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:43:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you want a faster phone
cowvin2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:18:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
oh, that's entirely up to the consumer.... there are many reasons to buy an android device as well. =)
Scrubbing_Bubbles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:45:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
True story! My daily driver is a 6s Plus, but I used a Nexus 5X for a few months and loved it. Also used a Galaxy Edge but really wasn't on board for that.
Thaliur ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:30:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Judging from my years with Android, followed by a few years with Windows, and only based on System apps like phone or Messaging, I feel confident to say "a lot". A lot is how much of it is because of the OS.
am0x ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:47:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit, a reasonable response.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 00:58:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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matthewgstat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:38:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
On a 4-6inch mobile device screen, I'd prefer speed to marginally better (in terms of your ability to actually detect a difference, not numbers) resolution.
Minusguy ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:24:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How come screen is the downside? You can't see pixels at that resolution, what else you might even need?
leanentrep ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:24:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks, Major Dick (salutes)
Shiznot ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 00:23:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is absolutely not true. The OSes preform about the same and last I knew androids browser was faster.
GremmieCowboy ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 00:38:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It literally is absolutely true. And that was with the now outdated Iphone 6s.
http://www.redmondpie.com/detailed-benchmarks-show-iphone-6s-is-the-fastest-phone-in-the-world/
The iphone 7 will be blazing compared to the 6s.
Shiznot ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 00:55:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Man you are knee deep in the hype, it took one google search to find that the Moto Z outperforms the 6. But then again the Moto Z is newer so that's to be expected as everyone has better performance every year.
The obvious conclusion is the iPhone uses good hardware but is indistinguishable from similar competition. In the end they are all just ARM CPUs and GPUs made by the same companies and apple doesn't have magic code that outperforms google.
TLDR; You are claiming Red outperforms blue because you like the color red...
Major_Dick ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:22:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Here's the iPhone 6s beating the Moto Z in the same test: https://youtu.be/rfYsJ5j0N5k
GremmieCowboy ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:59:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not knee deep in anything. It literally took me 2 seconds to find one of hundreds of articles showing the Iphone 6s was the fastest on the planet. Ok, so the Moto Z is (or was) and now the 7 will be. The funny thing is, I don't buy into any hype. I've owned and used both Android and Apple devices, I prefer PCs to Macs (would never own a Mac) and am not a fanboy of any certain device. I just like the Iphone better than any other phone I've had over the years. It does what I want it to do, I like the design and I like the ease of use. If that bothers people like you.....well tough. It seems to me that the people that are knee deep in the hype are the Android fans who have a coronary anytime someone doesn't bow down and worship their obviously superior handsets. I would make fun of Apple users that act the same way. Couldn't care less what everyone buys as long as they like it.
Shiznot ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 01:09:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Glad you concede the point.
I said they were equal, you said apple was superior. Objectively they are equal, your biases are what people are attacking.
You contradict yourself here
Do_Ya_Like_Dags_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:03:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://youtu.be/3-61FFoJFy0
Shiznot ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 01:11:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.phonearena.com/phones/benchmarks
Newer phones are always better, the Moto Z is faster... You're point is invalid.
Victory declared.
Do_Ya_Like_Dags_ ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:18:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How is a synthetic benchmark of a better test of a phones capabilities than a benchmark of actual use cases?
Shiznot ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:25:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because it is objective. Also as I have told others the reviewer is actually just opening shitloads of apps intentionally because he knows android allows more background processes than iOS, this way he can use a click bait title and claim mythical superiority.
So congratulations on him tricking you I guess.
Major_Dick ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:46:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Objectively shows which phone gives higher benchmark numbers. While the video may not paint a complete picture, I still find it more useful than benchmarks, as it covers a use case.
Shiznot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:48:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
See above point about background processes rigging the video, that's adjustable in android btw but not in iOS.
I shouldn't need to tell you to be skeptical.
Major_Dick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:07:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Does it matter when most people have no idea how to change that setting, or potentially lack technical ability to do so? I assume you have to root to do it as well? That's why comparisons are usually done on the stock experience and not after someone roots their phone, installs CM, and overclocks.
Regardless, the reason doesn't really matter. People will just think "Hey, I use that many apps, and the iPhone opens them quicker", and they'd be right in doing so. Of course, this is for one particular use case.
Shiznot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:15:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The handset manufacturer can set it and android lets power users do what they want. I claim the two are equal but that is still a point in androids favor no matter what you say.
NO
See above, stock android does this.
Lack of choice GOOD, got it. That's been apple's motto for years.
Major_Dick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:46:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The default experience is what should be judged. That particular menu is hidden by default and most people aren't power users anyways.
In addition, I haven't yet seen a video where changing this setting makes the Note 7 beat an iPhone.
Shiznot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:59:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That experience varies depending on what the manufacturer set, also I'd put even odds on the guys setting the value to maximum so his video would be more shocking(click bait).
With these kinds of tests the results are all subjective, the only objective test in benchmarks. Even there they don't conclude much because each has different strengths. The end result is that some people like one and some like the other.
The point you are incessantly trying to prove, that either is in a concrete way better than the other simply CANNOT be proven because in the end it comes down to choice and circumstance.
Major_Dick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:33:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't try to prove anything, because that'd be ridiculously difficult. I linked a video that I thought was a useful real-world test. Sure, I believe it also supports my opinion that the iPhone is faster.
Kinda similar to you declaring benchmarks make it faster: https://www.reddit.com/r/gifs/comments/51nxar/android_exclusive/d7dlsyk
Dark_Knight_Reddits ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:00:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
It's very true, even Samsung's newest phone Note 7 got its doors blown off from an iPhone 6S, a phone that should have no right competiting with it in terms of specs and now outdated. The iPhone 7 will probably make that gap even larger.
I've been very critical of some of Apple's recent decisions. But that is one area the iPhone is simply unmatched. It's not even close, the iPhone 6S and presumably iPhone 7 simply is the fastest phone. The Andriod better specs argument means nothing when in actual everyday use, it's much slower. Apples lower specs actually increase battery life as well.
Edit: Video of the test here.
Do_Ya_Like_Dags_ ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:05:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is definitely true.
The iPhone user experience is simply faster/better. Well, I guess if you like a slow OS then it's worse, but iOS has always been very quick because Apple know exactly what they are working with.
Shiznot ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:20:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not the fastest android phone.
Received better reviews than iphone.
Pandering, stupid exaggeration.
Youtube video by some random dude is proof world is flat. Also this occurs because iOS gimps their multitasking because they belive their users are stupid. The test is intentionally rigged to start background processes on android aka bullshit pandering.
Victory.
Dark_Knight_Reddits ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:30:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Why are you bringing reviews into this? We were talking about speed. Please, by all means show me a video of a speed test where an Andriod phone beats the iPhone 6S. Or you can continue coming up with excuses and discrediting any evidence shown to you like you have with multiple people so far. LOL, you're like the Apple fanboys you hate just in Andriod form. Two sides of the same coin.
Shiznot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:38:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
See above post, last section. (The test is intentionally rigged to start background processes on android aka bullshit pandering.)
NOPE, I was always claiming they are roughly equal. Others were seeking to prove the mytical superiority of iOS.
It's the phones that are two sides of the same coin.
Dark_Knight_Reddits ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:45:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then find some other test where it isn't as you say rigged. There are hundreds of tests online that show speed tests.
This isn't some unknown subject were discussing. Even the majority of readers over at /r/Android understand that because Apple can focus on a specific set of specs, they can optimize the OS for that hardware. If the phones OS's were somewhat equal, the speed tests would have the Androids destroying the iPhones because they have more powerful hardware. But surprise surprise, that's not what happens. If you're not going to show any evidence, there's no point in continuing this conversation.
Shiznot ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:51:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Benchmarks, moto Z
Nexus/Flagships
Neither are really that much better than the other, six of one and half a dozen of the other.
Benchmarks show they are roughly equal with the trend that newer hardware is better. Reviews point at different devices but newer stuff is always reviewed better. All of this should be obvious to you if you could be objective.
Do_Ya_Like_Dags_ ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:02:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Watch the video in /u/Major_Dick's edit.
Shiznot ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 01:14:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I did, still wrong, also shitty test, objectively stupid premise to post a youtube video as proof of anything. I could go on but your choice-supportive bias makes me queasy.
All the proof you guys submit is just cherry picked to support yourself, the two are equal.
Do_Ya_Like_Dags_ ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:19:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, the pretension is strong in this one.
Shiznot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:23:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The video intentional exploits the fact that android allows more background multitasking while iOS does not.
In other words youtube dude tricked you.
Do_Ya_Like_Dags_ ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:25:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How exactly is that an exploit?
Sure, you can leave an app running in the background, but what is the actual benefit of that? You can only actively interact with one app at a time.
Usually the point of multitasking is speed, but it's slow, so what's the point again?
Shiznot ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:26:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It makes the phone slower so he can make a clickbait video, this isn't normal use.
ITS ADJUSTABLE!!! PEW PEW PEW VICTORY
AmadeusCziffra ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:41:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Got one apple and one android device. The android is always laggy, the pixels on the screen are more obvious, and the OS just looks ugly. Yeah I got more options on Android, but I'm not using any of those, so how does that make Android better? I'll stick with my apple thx, if you got a problem with the fact that it cost more, well that's just it, your problem.
Puppeymaster ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:34:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'll be buying the new iPhone as well as the Airpods as soon as they come out and it's definitely not as a fashion accessory. Sorry you can't comprehend that people like different products than you.
barjam ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:50:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like my apple devices and absolutely abhorred the android tablet I had. The MacBook is the only device that allows you to develop for everything (I am a software developer).
Those are my reasons. I don't particularly care about specs as long as it is fast enough for what I do.
RouseHouse1013 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:10:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you're basing your Android experience on a tablet, I'm sorry you had to go through that. The phone experience is much better, not much has been optimized for tablets.
barjam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:44:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have heard that but my tablet must match the phone (ecosystem) so for me android isn't a usable platform.
metrodrone ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:26:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They buy Apple products for the operating system. Windows is trash, and Linux is too complicated and not used widely enough for the average user to adopt.
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vibrate ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:13:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The iPhone 6 plus costs the same as the Nexus 6P or Galaxy S3, Sony Xperia Z4.
PurpleComyn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:47:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would never trust your tech expertise with an opinion like that.
Adventuresandlove ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:35:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ear jordans
jonnyclueless ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:50:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I used to think the same way until I tried to find a PC laptop that meant every single spec and feature of a Macbook pro. Couldn't find anything close for less than twice the price.
I find that most people who make statements like yours think they know everything, but often know the least.
Sentient__Cloud ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:51:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The only thing that is keeping me with my iPhone these days is the fact that my grandmother got me an Apple Watch this past Christmas and I couldn't imagine having a phone without a smart watch anymore. I know that there are other smart watches and they're better, but I don't have the income right now for a phone and a watch.
CalvinElliot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:46:10 on September 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can't you just get a regular watch? What's so great about a smart watch if all you need to do is tell time?
Sentient__Cloud ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:00:06 on September 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I really like getting my notifications to my watch instead of my phone. Also, I have the app called Dark Sky, which has an Apple Watch complication, so the current weather is also displayed on the watch face. I also answer calls on it semi-frequently.
CalvinElliot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:00:35 on September 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I suppose that is convenient.
that_MIZZLE_guy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:51:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I couldent of said it any better. You deserve a cookie, and a upvote.
byfuryattheheart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:53:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'll bite I guess. I prefer the simplicity of the iPhone. I don't dislike Android phones, but a lot of what android offers are things I simply wouldn't use. Wireless charging, NFC and the customization are nice to have for most, but I just wouldn't utilize those functions.
I find the things I use most on my phone work much better on the iPhone. The keyboard is amazing.
The most important thing for me in a smartphone is the camera. And nothing I have tried beats the quality and user experience that the iPhone offers. The iPhone 7+ camera looks amazing, but I just don't want that screen size.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:53:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like the built in podcast app, I have tried a lot of the android ones like podcast addict but they are not as good. I have the iphone SE and it serves my purpose now, but if apple continues in this direction then I will probably have to switch back to android.
Fuzzdump ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:56:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm wondering what exactly you did in the tech industry if you think iPhones are "underspecced."
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:56:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because some of us have zero desire to hack our phone or have it explode in our pockets?
PunctuationsOptional ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:57:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Username checks out?
ViktorGodDoom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:58:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're just buying the brand.
thevoiceofzeke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:00:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Unpopular opinion: I actually don't think this is a bad decision. I already prefer my bluetooth headphones. I hate wires. I wouldn't miss my headphone jack at all.
Also, as an avid gamer, web developer, and long-time Apple hater: My Macbook Pro is the best computer I've ever had. I don't use it for gaming, but for everything else it is flat out better in every way than my Windows machines have been.
BearFashionAddict ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like the user interface on IOS compared to Android.
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RouseHouse1013 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:15:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Unfortunately, I find most people that went from Android to Apple came from Samsung because they think that OS represents all of Android. The Nexus experience is much better in terms of less clutter and has frequent security updates. It also doesn't experience the ~2 year slowdown a lot of Samsung devices seem to have where they drag through everything. Also it sounds like Google Photos wasn't around when you had your phone because it is by far the best and easiest photo syncing/storage app.
ilikepugs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know several people with Apple watches that primarily consider it a piece of jewelry.
Posts_dissapointment ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a piece of something! Jewellery is not the word I'd use however.
shredderrrrrr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't understand why people are always so confused about this.
"Specs" don't matter to a majority of the computer-buying public. For most of us, every computer is more powerful than we'd ever need.
And price? People pay for things based on more than just linear value. Thats why brands exist. And it's not even just a "I want an Apple to be trendy" thing either. It's other (seemingly silly) stuff like "I really like the look of that computer," or "that has a great design," or "wow, that's really easy to use," etc.
banjohusky95 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:14:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
they're so much safer/ better/ faster/ better looking/ newer. Apple even says so!
I have had an apple fangirl call me a piece of shit because I kept pointing out my phone did what here's did, sometimes better and more. She started and wouldn't stop going on about how my phone was trash so I spoke up because it was annoying. She was the manager of a candy store I was visiting for the first time. I haven't gone there since.
cryolems ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:40:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not even close to under specced. That's just wrong. How do you even figure that given that the 6s is beating out any current Galaxy or HTC or hell any other smartphone?
I'm by no means thrilled with the 7 as of now but damn how blindly do you have to have something to become oblivious?
Oh, and almost every other quality smartphone costs as much as an iPhone. $299 really ain't out of the ballpark anymore.
DJ-2000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:41:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because I like the interface and they do the job.
I'm not sure I'd buy this new version, at least not until I see how the no headphone jack thing works.
But I am yet to find an Android phone that has an interface I like nearly as much as the Apple one and I'm obviously aware of the flaws of the Apple phone, but honestly I just don't care. I like using it.
But then, I have never worked in the tech industry.
MarzMan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:44:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In the past 25 years when has this been not true?
LucaYo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:47:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Personally every single person I text has an iPhone so it's really great to all have iMessage, and group iMessages. Plus iPhone's tend to be much faster and efficient than Android phones, regardless of specs. On top of that, I've been using iPhone since the 3G when I was 13, and have been jailbreaking with iPod since 11/12. I HATE having stock OS, I can deal with it, but I love having a jailbreak and probably won't get the 7+ until a jailbreak comes.
There's also other things like Snapchat looks shitty on Android and overall I see no reason to switch to an Android, it'll just be worse for me not having iMessage with my friends and having to learn everything over again.
Sure it's expensive but for some people that isn't a problem and many people fail to realize that it seems.
Edit: Also I forgot that my whole family has iPhone so it makes it easy for us with our iMessage group chat and Find My iPhone to see where each other are and such, also we're subscribed to Apple Music which I love, so literally there's tons of reasons to buy an iPhone but people seem to point directly to the fact that Android has a few additional features that can be totally useless to some people.
byho ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:48:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I only went iphone because of one thing, the charger was significantly better. Not in terms of how fast it charges, but on my android I had to push down my charger to make my phone actually charge, and then I had to wrap my phone with the cord to make it stay charging. Yup... literally the only reason... and I deeply regret it.
avboden ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:49:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like you don't actually work in the tech industry if that's all you have to say.
dungdigger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:54:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The gold phone was called the Kardashian phone. The answer to your question is that apple users are shallow and materialistic easily manipulated sheep. Most can't afford a Range Rover, so they buy an apple. Dr. Seuss wrote a book about apple people called The Sneetches. You should check it out.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:57:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
iPhones are faster than any other phone. Just YouTube opening and closing of apps videos.
Inkertus_0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:14:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If most Android phones came "virgin" like the Google Nexus phones instead of heavily tampered with that never get critical security and other updates plus a ton of junk I'll never use (this one is less an issue unless it takes up HALF THE GODDAMN PHONE) that's unremovable I'd consider. A minor issue I'd eventually learn around is the massively unstandardized interfaces that always seem confusing.
winteriscoming ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:22:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Why in the fuck do I see so many edits apologizing to Apple fanboys? Why the fuck would you say sorry for this?
jimbo831 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:23:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I severely doubt your tech bonafides if you think the iPhone is under specced. It's chipset is second to none. It usually has the best camera or damn close. It's internal storage access speeds blow away the competition. Just read the Anandtech review of the last several iPhones. It blows away the competition in performance. The A9 SOC is already the best mobile SOC available and the A10 will just be better. You have some biased views if you think the iPhone is under specced.
fantomknight1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:28:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You don't buy apple products for innovation and for the latest tech (ignoring the original iphones). You buy apple products because you get a device that just always works and is built with quality hardware. Don't get me wrong, I use a Nexus 6 for my phone so I'm not a iPhone user. However, I have both a macbook and a windows computer and the OS on Apple is hands down cleaner and has far less hassles, bugs, crashes, and just problems in general. The overall build quality is also much better than most windows computers (the only ones built as nice are priced the same).
BilllisCool ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:37:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What do you do to believe this? It's not magic and it's not purely marketing. Apple does many things right and you should know if you've apparently been working in the tech industry for 25 years.
TheOddEyes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:42:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most of my friends switched from Androids to iPhones, saying that iOS is easier to use and more stable. I switched from BlackBerry because it lacked apps. I'm more than happy to switch back to BlackBerry z10 if it's app world is any similar to the app store
xAIRGUITARISTx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:14:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you really work in tech, you should know that specs don't mean shit.
amoxvox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:41:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm definitely not an apple fan and I'm annoyed as many others from lack of so many age old features. But The one good thing about Apple products that no one can deny is that they have great processing that is battery efficient and less prone to hangs/ crashes.
ELLEN_POO ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:00:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Underspecced? And that's coming from you? You're a tech guy?
Let's see.
Android is at a standstill. Qualcomm is producing JACK SHIT.
Meanwhile on Apple's side...
Apple's A10 is much faster than the previous CPU. And that one was already much faster than a SD820.
Their mobile CPU's are, and have always been, miles ahead of their competition.
iDevices also have way faster storage space than any other phone out there.
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph9662/77665.png
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph9662/77650.png
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph9686/78188.png
Oi mate, I think you need to get your eyes out of your ass.
Fadic4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:02:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love iOS and the apple Eco system. Besides, every phone will come with the adopter. I feel like 90% of people won't give a shit about the aux cord removal. I'm getting a 7+ 128gb ASAP
Hotstud69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:22:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Man, I'm so disappointed in apple. I used to have the iPhone 4s, and that that thing was a beast at the time. I loved everything about that phone. I dropped it so many times and it still wouldn't break, and it was so fast compared to other phones in the market. After the 4s, apple just kinda fell off.
Now I'm using the Note 3, and I'm surprised by how well it still works.
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Santi871 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:37:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So you're saying I get more features and less restrictions in the same price range. That's exactly the point.
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Do_Ya_Like_Dags_ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:58:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well the only reason the specs are better is because Android is usually a bloated turd of an OS by the time the manufacturer and carrier are done fucking with it.
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headpool182 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:31:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Praise be to DuARTe
Do_Ya_Like_Dags_ ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 01:23:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's a pretty small segment of androids as a whole though, and you have to buy them outright though because AFAIK no carriers sell them on a plan.
headpool182 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:31:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's false. I got my nexus 6p from my carrier, and I live in Canada.
Do_Ya_Like_Dags_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:40:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, not familiar with Canadian Telecom practices.
Still, I would argue that most android users are not on a Nexus system, and Carriers and Manufacturers all adding bloatware seriously impacts performance.
nodsjewishly ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 00:58:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
spoken like a true poor
emd2013 ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 01:35:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
found the dumbass
akiva23 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:54:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm using a blackberry
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:02:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Look, you can say Apple < Other products but you obviously do know why people buy them. We don't live in a world where products can only sell if they're the best.
Posts_dissapointment ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:09:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No. We live in a world with people who do stupid things that, in the grand scope of things, make no sense at all. Constantly!
It would be great if it was only related to Apple products. Sadly people die for even stupider shit.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:35:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The fact that you're trying to talk "specs" means you have no idea what you're talking about. iPhones runs laps around android with worse "specs."
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unknownman19 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:33:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We have 3.5mm though
Melkor4 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:38:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And radio FM chipset! [TรM TรM TรรรรรรM]
Thomjones ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:29:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't get that statement since this is about Apple's lack of headphone jack and Windows phones have headphone jacks. But the platform is indeed a sinking ship. A beautiful ship that did so much right...
silentwolf59 ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 23:15:44 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly cant agree with this choice apple has made. I think its inevitable that the physical audio jack as standard on a phone will go away. And to apples credit, there is a dongle you can get if you really want to use the audio jack.
However, I use my audio jack on my phone a few times a week. For me, I use it while running, because all Bluetooth headphones iv found for working out suck. I also dont think battery technology has advanced far enough for bluetooth audio to be the only option as standard on a phone. And while the dongle is included, I can handle call it an improvement to need to carry around an extra, easily lost piece of hardware just to get that functionality.
I think this is a bad move at this point, and if I was in the market for a new phone would definitely come into my decision making process.
Realistically they have only given people a reason not to buy the phone, where one never existed previously.
NecroJoe ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:49:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wouldn't you just leave it attached to your headphones? Unless you're walking around your house, moving your headphones from source to source, this part doesn't seem like a big deal to me.
poodlelord ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:08:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What about using my headphones with all the regular equipment that has a standard 3.5mm jack? That is not a solution.
303onrepeat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:45:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
the new JLAB Epic 2 headphones are awesome, 12 hour battery life on Bluetooth 4.0. I have really enjoyed them since I got them a few months ago. As someone who has used all kinds of bluetooth headphones because I do not care for the wires I found them to be the best for sound and performance and battery life.
am0x ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:58:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All bluetooth headphones suck. I am on pair 3 (first one was bad, but I paid $25 for them) and the past 2 have sounded really good and one I got on sale for $40.
Boo_R4dley ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:56:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't used the headphone jack on my phone for at least 3 years now, possibly 4. My car has built in Bluetooth and I have stereo Bluetooth headphones. The AptX bitrate is higher than Pandora or Spotify's and my podcasts are not so well produced that you could tell the difference. Either way it all sounds better than SiriusXM and plenty of people pay for that apparently.
Also the 3.5mm adapter ships in the box with the phone.
The only true nitpick I can see people making is that with both the included headphones and the adapter there isn't a way to charge while they're plugged in currently. Although that will likely become the "_____gate" for this iPhone and Apple will ship updated adapters and EarPods in a few months with a lighting port on them to allow simultaneous charging and listening.
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Boo_R4dley ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:51:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My Bluetooth headphones may not match the quality of high end headphones, but the audio quality is more than sufficient. 99% of the population won't notice or care about the difference. There's an opportunity for people buying mid range headphones to get a better experience by getting headphones with a better DAC built in that they wouldn't have otherwise because such things are like magic to most people.
vanderpool5 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:01:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a solid argument really.
BillNye_314 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:54:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Moto z doesn't have a headphone jack . Oppo made one of their older devices with no jack . Samsung will follow suite too .
so_wavy ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 00:13:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm still getting it lol
Elgordofordo86 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:45:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You special little snowflake.
AshurbanipalMeso ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:37:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
1 billion sold and counting. Your protest is noted, but disregarded.
so_wavy ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:24:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm still getting it lol
[deleted] ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 23:28:56 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently the iPhone 7 comes with a 3.5mm adapter.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.marketwatch.com/amp/story/guid/F1BC1188-7541-11E6-81CF-E613F4F0A2AA?client=lightning
dumahim ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 23:58:00 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, but will you be able to charge while using the adapter?
[deleted] ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 00:00:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Haha, now that would make too much sense...
clutchdeve ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 00:37:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably can with another $40 connector
justfarmingdownvotes ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:41:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah
only way would be a $200 wireless charger adapter case combo
luckybuilder ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:40:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No. Fuck you. You're using it wrong.
yodels_for_twinkies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:37:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
someone up top said no.
Richy_T ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:27:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It should still fit in the microwave.
Mezujo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:58:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Which is ridiculous.
If you're going to make a phone with only one hole in the bottom for two purposes, then you should probably make one of those purposes redundant.
Not make it so I have to shell out 160 dollars for overpriced pieces of crap in order to accomplish something that I could accomplish without paying the extra on my current phone.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:12:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They are the company that made a laptop with one USB C port for I/O and charging. I can't wait till they remove the audio jack from it. Then it'll have one port for all I/O, charging, and audio. Lol. Get go fuck yourselves, Apple.
PirateNinjaa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:05:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Does anyone bitch that the iPad only has one port? No, because people charge it when you're not using it and the batteries are so damn good. That is the same with the new MacBook.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:20:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The iPad is a media consume device. The MacBook is a laptop, if should have more I/O
PirateNinjaa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:43:00 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Io for what? You can do everything wirelessly now, no point on an ultra portable.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:56:35 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh I don't know. Using any USB device while charging. Just because it's possible to do everything wirelessly doesn't mean you have the wireless equipment to do it all the time everywhere. Especially since wireless shit needs charging.
PirateNinjaa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:12:15 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
With the batteries being so good, almost nobody charges them while using them.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:46:21 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's an excuse, not a reason. With one more port you could have the option to do both in a situation where you need them. Not to mention if you want to use more than one USB device. 1 I/O port for charging and peripherals is an annoyance.
PirateNinjaa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:07:27 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not when you never charge in while using it. I don't even take my power brick in my commuter bag anymore with my air and never use more than one of its ports at a time.
ilovekickrolls ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:00:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How does the ipad only have one port? Lightning + 3.5 mhm?
PirateNinjaa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:38:33 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How does the new MacBook? Same way, no USB and charging at same time.
ilovekickrolls ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:37:16 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
On an ipad you can atleast chargรฉ and listen to Music at the same time. Not sure who you're arguing against here.
PirateNinjaa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:23:04 on September 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty much nobody uses iPads while charging them.
Fnhatic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
BRILLIANT
reebee7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:11:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Some interesting points, I'll admit.
reebee7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:11:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Some interesting points, I'll admit.
DootchBarg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:51:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You'd probably lose the adapter too
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:07:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's 9 bucks for a replacement.
ffstriker ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:08:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's a lot of money for Android users
PirateNinjaa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:05:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol, sad but true.
DSJ13 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:55:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I heard CNNs coverage of the announcement today. The reporter literally said something like "no more headphone jack, this is going to revolutionize the way we think about electronics"
I'm an iphone user but that was infuriating.
Silverriolu295 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:57:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They would've said that no matter what they revealed
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:42:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your first mistake was watching cnn
cutebearbaby ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:08:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just wait for iPhone 8, it'd going to be revolutionary! Phone with a jack for headphone! (gasp!)
MrDlikestoswap ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 10:54:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Literally every time I use my phone for music in the car I also plug in a charger. I can't own an iPhone 7 even if I liked iPhone's. It's completely impractical.
chrisknnd ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:05:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most newer cars can use usb to play music.
wharpudding ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:59:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Neat. So we'll just need a new car stereo so we can use the new phones with them.
tygrenier ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 12:15:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For real though, I've had enough of Apple's BS...as soon as my iPhone dies, I'm going to Android.
PlayR4ND0M ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 10:12:19 on December 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not any more!... :c
-Chilliam ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 10:20:30 on December 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not anymore...
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:48:34 on December 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not for long
DefilerDan ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:16:42 on December 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Another gif becomes obsolete...
[deleted] ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 01:34:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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bon_bons ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 01:55:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
tell that to the people riding the subway at night
SchmegmaKing ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:52:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Black people...amirite?
ffstriker ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:08:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lot of people actually
homeboi808 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:46:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I actually don't think it's a new speaker in its place, I think they just improved the microphone. In the stereo microphone graphics, it looks like the second speaker is the one on top for phone calls, so they just boosted there volume on that.
b00st3d ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:13:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i think it did get a bigger battery
Throwaway_Consoles ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:34:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except they replaced the headphone jack with a ton of stuff.
Haptic feedback engine. Bigger battery. Stereo speaker. Made it easier for 7 water resistant rating.
The processor is 33% faster (sucks up more juice) the screen is 25% brighter (sucks up more juice) and yet the battery lasts LONGER. That's quite a difference in battery life.
And it does have a better DAC to help with shit Bluetooth quality.
It has most of the shit you asked them to replace the headphone jack with. I need to go lay down because I'm laughing too hard right now.
PirateNinjaa ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:03:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am super psyched to have a louder better sounding audio out of my phone.
Bread-Zeppelin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:42:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Stereo sound is actually really nice. It's been a staple on most phones for a couple years and when you hear how tinny and distorted everything sounds from an iPhone in comparison it makes it obvious I could never go back to that. If you want a useless feature to make you wonder "why bother" how about a home
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BilllisCool ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:41:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why does everyone keep saying this? It's one on the top and one on the bottom. And if you're watching something, your phone would be turned on its side, so it works out pretty well.
DMod ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:35:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No they didn't.
DoxedByReddit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:32:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everybody who has encountered a phone with stereo sound - my Nexus 6 blows away my (admittedly quite shitty, it's not a very fair comparison) laptop speakers in quality and volume and it's not even close.
Thomjones ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:44:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What's dumber is other phones putting in dual speakers and shit AND still having the jack. Apple engineers can't be these stupid.
[deleted] ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 02:14:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:53:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What a strange person.
RufusMcCoot ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:09:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I...I need an Ethernet port...
TheBestestLaCeleste ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:22:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yea what was that about? This person doesn't know about fast internet...
buttcheeksontoast ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:11:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, I will enjoy having to constantly carry around a cord I will eventually lose and have to replace for $50
TheBestestLaCeleste ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:20:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lmfao yea because iphone users are known to not break/lose their shit. Tools, all of them!
Throwaway_Consoles ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 05:28:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
$9. And just don't unplug it from your headphones and you won't lose it.
Elphienis ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:04:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's already Android phones without them
PM_ME_R34_TALIYAH ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:47:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, but there are a bunch of different Androids, tons of variety to choose from, while apple only has IPhones, the one branch.
ffstriker ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 03:11:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Which is apart of the android problem.
To many hands in the cookie jar
Infin1ty ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 03:59:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's not a problem, it's exactly what Android was designed to do. You don't create open source software and expect it to be used in limited fashions.
Kombutini ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:40:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is this a Java pun? If so, bravo.
Rindan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:04:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, phones no one is buying. It's nice to have choices so that when someone does something stupid, you can just ignore them.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 00:41:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So I guess google got exclusivity rights for the 3.5 mm headphone jack then. R.I.P my Lumia.
xavierdale ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:16:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Let's make our own headphone jack with blackjack, and hookers.
Mr_Miggie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:46:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Blackberries and hookers.
MentallyWill ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:53:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"In fact, forget the headphone jack!" --Apple
pupuusas ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 00:54:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've had it.. I'm getting an Android next.. Any suggestions?
jpark28 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:30:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait for the new Nexus (Pixel). It won't have some of the bells and whistles of the Samsung Galaxy line, but the OS will run smoother and stay that way longer.
Senju19 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:05:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Unless your getting a really cheap Android phone (50-100) I don't think what you described is relevant. I have a Galaxy S6 and have not once experienced any slow down of my OS. I used to be a nexus purist but as long as you have a decent CPU and ram Android is stable. I just splash the pure Android theme and Android launcher on it and it's like having a nexus with extra cool features.
nonplanar ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:27:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nexus, Galaxy S, HTC are all decent
If you want something cheaper, check out Oneplus or Moto
mthead911 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:44:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Stay away from One Plus if you have Metro PCS or TMobile.
Source: sad one plus one user.
nonplanar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:59:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Band 12?
TheBestestLaCeleste ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:52:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Metropcs here. Always buy LG. Fucking awesome at a fucking awesome price. I just got the lg stylo 2...do.not.regret...like at all.
nonplanar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:36:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
LG's low-mid range phone seem to be great in my experience, but I really hate their more expensive options. I had a G4 that would always overheat and freeze until it got a bootloop issue, and my replacement had similar issues.
However, my friends' LG K7 and my dad's LG Transpyre were both excellent performers for the price. What do you like about the Stylo 2?
TheBestestLaCeleste ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:32:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Faster than all my friends phones(including icrapples) and sleek and unlimited data.
nonplanar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:39:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Metro has unlimited data?? TIL
Aight, I might consider switching then... I pay about $38 a month with Fi after taxes for about 1.5GB data...
TheBestestLaCeleste ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:50:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yea dude 60 a month no bs its so legit.
TheBestestLaCeleste ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:56:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They even have the stupid ass iphones
TightLittleWarmHole ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:31:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So vague...
nonplanar ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:36:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Yea, the top end HTC 10, all the Galaxy S and Note, and two new nexus models. 6-7 phones that are all very good. Rest comes down to things like screen size, build quality, carrier, and price.
Edit: poor timing on my part(new models around the corner), but I recently got a Nexus 5X from Google Fi($199 + $30 for a month of service). /r/android doesn't seem like a huge fan, but it's a great little device with all Android features implemented well. Great camera, mostly fluid software, slim design, good screen, OK battery, poor speaker. I was going to sell it and buy a new device shortly, but I feel like this device is great so far after a month of usage. I might just keep it for a while :) Plus, the US version works on all carriers.
DoxedByReddit ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:33:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's like 6 phones between 3 lineups at this point, the rest is down to preference
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neokraken17 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:04:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You forgot the most important... a 3.5 mm aux port :)
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:40:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Stick with Google's version of their own operating system. Their new phones will be out soon. Previously known as Nexus, but they'll be called Pixel go match their tablet and expensive Chromebook.
hermy_own ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:48:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
r/pickanandroidforme
Tell them what specs you care about and they'll list the phones out.
trueluck3 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:21:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nexus
Tullamore_Who ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 01:36:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The S7 Edge is pretty near perfect. Waterproof too!
EveryoneSadean ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:47:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I bought an S6 thinking before the S7 launch thinking how great can this S7 really be?
Never wanted to smash my phone and claim insurance more in my life.
ffstriker ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 03:07:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just might blow up
lilWeeney ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:34:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's the Note 7. No much claims on the S7 Edge.
poseidons_rage ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:34:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's the Note 7 not the Edge
liquidose ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:04:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So indestructible the only thing that can destroy it is itself
TightLittleWarmHole ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:31:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Galaxy S7
DrewsephVladmir ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:59:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, the Galaxy S7...
I used to love rooting my phones. It was my favorite hobby, since the old days of the LG Ally.
But I got the Samsung Galaxy S7, and found out it also has a locked bootloader.
But to be honest, it's such a great phone, I don't really miss root. It already lets me do everything I used to use root for. I even hear that my current phone can be rooted now, but I can't be bothered. The S7 is pretty damn solid...
PunctuationsOptional ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:08:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
S7 Edge, Note 7 or whatever they're called are great. The Nexus is also great, obviously.
Those are the high-priced top-tier phones.
OnePlus 3 is the next best thing imo. About $200 cheaper for essentially the same thing. Better on some things, neutral on some things, worse(?) on some things. Imo it's better than all the phones out there right now except the Note 7. I really liked that thing, just as much as my OnePlus 3.
myokan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:21:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nexus 6P.
ItsDijital ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:27:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait for the new Nexus phones (or pixel now), and see how they are. You really can't go wrong with them given that they are Google's babies. The Nexus 6p from last year is arguably the best Android phone ever made.
Other manufactures make great phones too, but they like to do Android "their way" which in every case has been regarded as inferior to the pure Android run on Google's phones (outside of niche uses).
Make a post on /r/Android to help you decide. Obviously lots of Nexus (Pixel) devouts, but also plenty of Samsung, HTC, LG, OnePlus, Moto and other users to help you decide.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:37:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Note 7 is pretty hot.
nightshiftb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:29:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was never so relieved to see the words "Made in China" as I was when I read it on the back of my Note7 from tmo.
Kizaing ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:34:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Google's Nexus line is really good, although they renamed it to Pixel instead of Nexus recently
AerThreepwood ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:14:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I really, really like my LG V10 and the V20 is coming out in like a month.
morelikecrappydisco ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:45:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nexus
Evenball5 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:57:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Go full Google. Nexus 5x with google Fi
Barbwire_cake ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:17:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Galaxy S Series of course
DerpSenpai ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i like huawei, good quality to price correlation, but if you want garanteed quality go for samsung
Evgarian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:47:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The OnePlus 3 will probably be my next phone. It's gorgeous, has incredible specs, and is very affordable. It's like an Android iPhone clone right down to the aluminum body and button layout so it's a pretty smooth transition.
DapperedGator ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:49:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When the rumors of the removed headphone jack seemed way more plausible a few weeks ago, I, too, left Apple for Android. I have zero regrets (but my note 7 hasn't exploded yet). Switch. You won't regret it.
Doonce ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:50:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Note7. I love the phone. Plus, there will possibly be cheaper refurbished ones soon.
bigbang5766 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:21:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like the only dude who had an awful experience with the Nexus models. I recommend the Galaxy S models, I have a S6 that is fantastic
Aperson3334 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:04:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love my HTC 10. Some good cheaper options if you don't want a carrier contract are the OnePlus Three or the Google Nexus series.
BeaverJeehad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:56:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Moto Z
assasstits ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:56:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nexus 6P or wait for the new Nexus/Pixel phone.
Google phones get the latest updates first and run stock android. I've had the 6P for 6 months now and its amazing.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:16:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Good luck with that buggy shit with an 8 core processor that still performs worse than the dual core A series.
Oh and good luck getting updates after a year or two.
BGYeti ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:50:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait for Motorola to announce there next phone after the Z if you are not looking currently if you are go for the Moto Z Play since they decided to remove the 3.5m, jack with the basic Moto Z, that or the Galazy series, both great phone lines that offer you the best performance and battery life.
TheGhizzi ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:15:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
From my experience:
LG Dare= HUGE piece of shit
Galaxy S3= Awesome
Galaxy S5=HUGE piece of shit
LG G4= Amazing and aside a few issues, was in love.
Note 7= I'M IN LOVE (but may return it because of recall and checkout the V20)
All that to say: Love the Note 7 in everyway aside from not having a dual rear camera
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 03:34:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Was anyone asking for a thinner phone?? This is a power move to sell shitty accessories and to make the genius bar more busy with broken flimsy phones.
Nobody needs a thinner phone we need them more sturdy, bigger battery, more space and better camera.
Literally nobody wanted this
just_comments ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:53:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This phone isn't thinner. It has a bigger battery instead of being thinner.
WrenSC2 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:38:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you!
Fuck!, it was fine when phones were half as thick as a brick but god damn whats a guy gotta do to get a decent battery around here these days?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:27:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
if the iphone had the same thickness as the 3GS, people would be sooooooo happy. Imagine all the tech they can fit in that thing.
ofrance ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 06:30:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Literally, it's 2016. And your comment is idiocy. Grow the fuck up, and google something if you have a question. Analog cables are bullshit. Ask the HDMI port in your tv.
AUKEY Bluetooth Receiver, Audio Music Adapter with Hands-free Calling for iPhone, Samsung and More https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00O8FYUJA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_4lq0xbW0HJD08
CaptainCazio ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:07:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dumbest comment I've read all day, thanks for the laugh. And the iPhone 7 isn't even thinner...
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[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:07:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Remove core functionality and put it into additional accessories. It's a money grab. They have their users exactly where they want them, now they're gonna fuck em.
The_Choir_Invisible ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:16:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But the interesting thing is, purchasing a device like that to begin with implies a certain consent to be fucked.
wolfumbra ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:12:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think removing the headphone jack is a good move. It shows progressโembracing technology, etc.
Ultimately, I think that Apple is in a dangerous place. They are between "If it's not broken don't fix it" and "innovate or die."
Undecided_Furry ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:12:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly! I wish more people would realise this. Im a bit annoyed that I won't have a headphone jack anymore. But its true, innovate or die. Its one thing for a few random phones not many people know about taking out their headphone jacks. Android phone or not, not as many people know about those phones, as much as they know the brand Apple, or their Iphones.
And for that reason, its as if Apple is the first one to do this. (Key words: as if).
One of the big companies would have eventually made a change like this (and made a stupidly big showcase about it). Apple knew they had to be the ones to do it first, with a big launch for the most visibility, to make the biggest statement; compared to the other phones I didn't even know about, let alone them losing their headphone jacks.
I wouldnt be surprised if Android fully follows this trend too. Id imagine all the big phone companies will start doing things like this, putting their own twist on it and trying to figure out what will work best. Our tech world will eventually work its way past the headphone jack.
I doubt it will be obsolete any time soon. But tech always moves forward, and big business knows this very well.
I wonder what people would be saying if Android had suddenly released this same thing in a big launch for all future phones. Would people praise them for their innovation? Or would they be annoyed they lost their headphone jack? Would it be a mixture of both? Or would people just slander the decision, no matter what it is, purely because it has the name Android attached to it?
OldShoe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:55:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When Apple does these changes it always feels too early. But in retrospect not one of the changes caused any big problems, at least not for me or anyone I know.
I hope this puts pressure on the manufacturers of Bluetooth earpods/headsets and make them compete hard for price, battery life, weight and other things.
froggymcfrogface ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:12:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not an exclusive, because Windows phones have them.
Dyalibya ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 01:36:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A window on a phone ? how ?
TinaBelcher4Prez ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 01:51:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is why I'm convinced that engineers do not use the products they create.
Diknak ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 02:01:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They were probably just as pissed when they got the mandate from management. It's not an engineering decision, but a business one.
kbotc ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:03:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It actually was an engineering decision apparently. They were having trouble with EM interference in the device.
http://www.macrumors.com/2016/09/07/apple-explains-headphone-jack-removal/
-kljasd- ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:25:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Please don't interrupt the circlejerk
xeromage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:21:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They should have tried diverting power from thrusters and reinforcing the deflector field with a focused chronoton burst. :P
newsagg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:36:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
absolute bullshit
Diknak ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:39:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's called spin. . .
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:42:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They do, but they're so rich and out of touch with the world that they just assume everyone can buywireless headphones and stream via Bluetooth or CarPlay when driving.
jrpjesus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:50:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i mean they know they are making a premium product at $800. If you can't afford the $9 dongle you probably shouldn't buy an $800 phone.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:32:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of people don't look at it as an $800 phone. For a lot of is it was a $200 phone because we had contracts anyway, or a $30 a month phone on top of our already overpriced cell phone bill. Not everyone buys them outright.
hazzmango ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:14:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This point for many reasons. I'd like to see a discussion about the impact of tech innovation and socioeconomic mobility.
dankmernes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:27:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or if they do, they get everything for free, and as many as needed
ahairychest ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:05:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is why I'm convinced that
engineersapple engineers do not use the products they create.DannyOSully ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 01:37:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do many of you not realize that Motorola(Lenovo) already launched a phone with no 3.5mm jack? Like 2 or 3 months ago? Apple didn't even do it first and get the most flack for it.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:21:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm assuming because with Motorola, there are plenty more android phones out there rather than only one choice of iPhone (excluding older generations).
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:55:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:59:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, you're right. I forgot about that one actually.
RouseHouse1013 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:41:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/4sx2by/this_is_the_adapter_youll_need_to_plug_headphones/
toastmannn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:47:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think everyone has has written off Motovo at this point
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:11:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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hazzmango ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:03:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's the same reason why people buy Apple to begin with. Because of cool kids.
Thomjones ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 03:07:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cuz they fucking deserve it. I don't go around selling people shit with a 300% mark up, brag about being all about America, and then go to other countries to avoid paying taxes. Tout how I'm all about helping the little man while paying my store employees shit. They steal everyone's ideas and brag about how revolutionary they are. If they didn't bullshit so much I wouldn't care that much. Don't even get me started on that "We can't access that iPhone bc backdoors" horseshit. It was complete and utter bullshit, a giant PR jerk off circle meant to make them look good and save money. People fell for it it hook, line, and sinker. Y'know, like they don't already give out your info for money or subpoena. At least Steve Jobs openly admitted to stealing ideas and jacking up prices just because.
DannyOSully ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:40:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why don't you tell us how you really feel?
BilllisCool ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:33:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The only people that are mad about the prices are people that aren't buying their products. People that buy the products are clearly happy with them.
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BilllisCool ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:08:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most of the people in this thread buy androids and have never and will never buy an iPhone.
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BilllisCool ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:20:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I read the comments. I browse the Internet. The vast majority of Apple hate is in regard to Android being better, from people that use Android. Reply to any comment hating on Apple in this thread and ask them if they have or plan on buying an iPhone.
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BilllisCool ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:48:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You got me. Everyone on Reddit is just complaining about a phone that they own/are going to buy. Makes sense.
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BilllisCool ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:09:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I still believe that most people here are Android users, but like you, I don't feel like asking anyone.
Thomjones ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:03:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can't argue with that.
RouseHouse1013 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:40:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Read all the praise Android fanboys gave it in this thread! https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/4sx2by/this_is_the_adapter_youll_need_to_plug_headphones/
Oh wait, everyone condemning it just like they are now...
Thanks for admitting defeat with your downvote and no reply, keep on shilling!
Weirdmantis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:24:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because nobody cares about Lenovo
wickedplayer494 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:29:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit it's a Nexus Nexus Nexus Nexus Nexus Nexus Nexus
mcflyfly ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:55:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What does this mean for their Beats business?
homeboi808 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:10:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apple announced 3 Beats headphones/earphones with their new wireless codec (they will of course still have Bluetooth for non iPhone 7 devices.
To see what them explain all this skip to 1:27:22.
Apotropaic_Sphinx ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:08:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not just Apple, they're planning on getting rid of it on Android too. That's what USB-C is eventually going to do.
PM_ME_UR_DEATH_CERT ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:35:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
DON'T INTERRUPT THE CIRCLEJERK.
Seriously we're trying to forget about exploding batteries here.
Jogger312 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:53:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
COURAGE
Tomman89 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:55:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What about Windows PhONE!?!?!
Fede1195 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:59:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Who..?
bsox59 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:52:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Really all the outrage is misplaced. I remember when people used to knock the idea of the iphone because it didn't have a tactile keyboard, and now not even Blackberry makes phones with keyboards anymore. People simply adapt to the new technology, and then they forget that there was any adoption issues in the first place.
Eventually we will go through the cycle again, and people will complain that the next generation of phones need to be implanted in the colon. But just remember: we will get used to colon phones.
Eat_the_Path ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:11:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apple couldn't think if any commonly pre-existing features they could add and claim innovation so they're removing features and calling it innovation instead.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 07:19:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol. The camera, A series SOC, haptic engine, screen tech, 3D Touch. Literally none of that is anywhere else on the market.
chowies ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:51:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, its like Apple is trying so hard to be different, they come up with useless "innovations" that make people use extra effort to do their thing. And that extra effort becomes sort of a positive reinforcement that makes you think that the whole effort was worth something.
Psychology in practice. Smart or not, you decide.
richard-tugwell ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:03:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One hole for everything is a bad idea. Ask any chicken.
UsernameNeo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:11:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know any chickens!
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DannyDaCat ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:16:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
More and more vehicles also come Bluetooth equipped, so that's also an option.
Agoldsmith1493 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 10:40:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
An adaptor is supplied with the phone so you can use the aux cable still... also I get the joke but this is no android exclusive, Tv's have them, other mobile phones have them, laptops and PC's have them... Hell, he'll be claiming it's a microsoft exclusive next.
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Agoldsmith1493 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:11:50 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most people will get third party bluetooth headphone, also yes if they wan't to carry on using standard headphones. Also it doesn't personally look any more cumbersome.
NakedSnakeCQC ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:41:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"cough cough" Windows Phones still have this feature too
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:52:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I left Apple for a Note 5 last year. I love it, but I was debating about returning to Apple. This basically showed me that I was justified in my choice. Shame. I liked my old iPhone.
Tabe12 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:57:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Aaaaaand Apple reached the top and are now going downhill.
chevcheli0s ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:28:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's easy https://imgur.com/gallery/x1RGj
CalvinElliot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:46:59 on September 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
LOL, this is hilarious. I'm so glad I have a Samsung phone. My brother and my dad also have Android phones, but my ma has an iPhone.
madmatt90000 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:07:41 on December 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not anymore!
Comder ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 01:39:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't get this decision by apple. It honestly adds more clutter and crap to the phone to be able to use the headphones. Especially if you are going to want to listen to headphones and charge at the same time.
g-j-a ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:46:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And on that point, my Priv does wireless charging.
Why hasn't the iPhone gotten that yet?
And haptic feedback?
TheOddEyes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:36:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is Priv any good?
g-j-a ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:20:41 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Holy crap! Yes. Very happy with it. Has all the features I was looking for. I have a 256GB sd card. Lots of storage and "I" control it.
Everyone tells me the voice quality is excellent, very clean.
I am very happy with it, and the fact it can fully encrypt even pre-boot means I can worry about 1 less thing.
nocturn-e ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:14:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I kinda get it actually (not that it's a good idea).
I think they're trying to force the "future" (bluetooth, cordless, etc.)
bat03 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:05:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except almost all Bluetooth headphones sound worse than wired. And cost more too.
nocturn-e ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:54:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, I know. It's a bad decision but I can understand why they did it.
Spacecommander5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought about this, but I've never been had to charge and listen at the same time.
homeboi808 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:54:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had to, when watching this event while on my break at college. Though yeah, I normally don't have to either.
gibertot ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 01:56:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
exactly 6s will be my last iphone
[deleted] ยท 70 points ยท Posted at 01:08:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
As an android user, I don't see why this is a big deal...they give you a fucking adapter.
EDIT: anyone think that removing the headphone jack was useless, think again.
http://www.macrumors.com/2016/09/07/apple-explains-headphone-jack-removal/
tldr: bigger battery, new home button and ips67 rating all results of removing that jack
guitargod1174 ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 01:34:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but do you really want to lug an extra adaptor around?
[deleted] ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 01:47:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
just plug it in to your headphones...once
NecroJoe ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 01:51:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can't charge while using it. So if I get to my desk and want to get some work done before I need to head out for a meeting, I have to choose between music and charging before I head out...or use expensive wireless earbuds with worse sound, and short battery life. Seems like an awful lot of PITA for a change which really didn't net any improvements.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:04:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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homeboi808 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:47:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apple even mention Jaybirds during the event.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:50:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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WastedAndReady10 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:59:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bought a Bluetooth set of athletic earbuds on Amazon for 30 bucks, they sound just as good as my mid range skull candy (wired)
poodlelord ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:05:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You are compairing them to skill candy that's why you can't tell the difference. The $30 wireless heaphones are probably BETTER than the skull candy. Seriously skull candy makes beats look good.
2Nash ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:22:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
$15 wired headphones are better than skull candies
poodlelord ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:41:44 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Am radio is more faithful to the sound than skull candy.
MactheDog ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:00:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They really don't anymore, go check out Amazon.
KingofHearts615 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:36:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Photive sells bluetooth headphones for around 60 bucks through amazon ...best headphones ive had in years.
Sherlock--Holmes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:32:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thinner is an improvement in this industry.
NecroJoe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:12:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The new 7 is the same thickness as the 6.
Sherlock--Holmes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:08:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, let me explain. The stuff in today's phones are fighting for space. Every sq. cm is incredibly valuable. If it's not essential or can be replaced, they will. If they can eliminate a whole port and a DAC they can free up space in future iPhones. Additionally, the 3.5, designed in 1964, is much thicker than the Lightning, thus allowing future iPhones to be thinner.
CobraCabana ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:48:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's a weird random scenario. But to answer your question. Just plug both your phone and your headphones into your computer. You can listen to songs on your phone in iTunes. Your phone gets charged and you get music.
Or you can just listen to music on your computer. Spotify, google music, Pandora, whatever.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:50:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
why should some have to think so much just to listen some music on their phone?
CobraCabana ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:51:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm just answering the question.
EvilEmpireDk ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:22:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well fuck me, if i wanna change my headphones to a laptop.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:42:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
take the adapter off?
EvilEmpireDk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:20:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well now im back to having a extra thing to lug around.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 03:40:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dude it's a small ass adapter, you're acting like it's this huge ass 20 pound brick
CobraCabana ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 03:49:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Put in your laptop bag. You're making this a bigger deal than it really is.
poodlelord ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:06:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well i'm glad you can keep organized. But adding 1 more thing to my list of shit i have to keep track of is unacceptable
CobraCabana ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:58:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dude. You need to evaluate your life of adding a small cable to your bag is that big of a deal.
I'm not even trying to defend the cable here. I'm just pointing out the absurdity of your statement.
poodlelord ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:37:00 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol sorry I struggle with organization. One more essential cable would be bad.
UberVice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:56:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, not just "once." I have several pairs of headphones for different uses. I'm not going to keep track of a tiny ass adapter when I should be able to plug in and use the devices I already own, and have owned for YEARS.
Topper82 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:07:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously? It's a 3.5mm adapter. I don't like the decision, but c'mon.
EvilEmpireDk ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:24:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well the problem comes, when you need to have it around i case you need it, not because you need it.
BrikHarville ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 01:49:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
androids lug around all that bloatware..call it a wash.
bwaredapenguin ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:58:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Androids don't inherently come with bloatware, that's the carriers and sometimes manufacturers. And if you don't want to root to remove it you can disable it from the settings.
megaultrausername ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:45:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can't charge the phone and have a jack inserted at the same time. So people who are on their phones all day and wanna charge it in the car and listen to music can't if they only have an aux cord.
shokalion ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 01:44:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just food for thought.
I'm happy with my Note 4 that just lets me do what I want without the bullshit.
DragonTamerMCT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:00:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The out is still Analog. Otherwise the adapter wouldn't work.
All the processing and conversion is still being done in the phone, just instead of being sent down a jack, it's being sent down the lighting connector.
shokalion ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:05:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So the Lightning connector is capable of still putting out straight-up analog audio as well as digital?
I don't know for sure but it wouldn't at all surprise me if even that diminuitive cable had a DAC built into it. That's how they did the lightning-to-30-pin adapter for audio, and that's similar.
DragonTamerMCT ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:15:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Iirc from the image, it seems highly unlikely. Especially with the 30 pin adapter being much larger.
shokalion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:17:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm with you there, but my point is - if the lightning could output standard analog audio, why not just do that for the 30 pin adapter?
DragonTamerMCT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:26:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have no idea. Not the answer you were looking for I bet, sorry lol.
luckybuilder ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:40:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Here's the problem. Why should I carry an adapter on with me all day? Also, you can't charge your phone while listening to music using that adapter.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:54:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
just plug it into your headphones once and forget about it.
luckybuilder ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:03:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What if I own multiple pairs of headphones? What if I have auxiliary port in my car? What if I go somewhere and want to plug in my phone into somebody's speaker at their house?
Theothor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:35:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just buy 5 adapters jeez
jrpjesus ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:58:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you and nobody you know owns any Bluetooth compatible devices maybe don't buy an $800 phone?
luckybuilder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:04:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can tell that you've never used high end audio equipment. Bluetooth is absolute shit quality compared to aux with a decent dac.
jrpjesus ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:20:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody's discussing high-end audio equipment.
luckybuilder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:21:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No respectable car audio system or home speaker system is going to use Bluetooth.
jrpjesus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:26:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The reality is the vast majority of users are listening to audio at relatively low quality levels, with many users streaming exclusively. They don't care if their system isn't respectable. And any car audio or home speaker system that doesn't support Bluetooth (as an option) is as neutered as the iPhone 7.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:01:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe because audiophiles are a minute and negligible percentage of their customer base? People spending significant amounts of money on high end audio equipment probably aren't going to be purchasing Beats too often.
Bestialman ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:42:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You cant charge and use aux at the same time unless you buy a spliter wich cost around 60 $.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 01:37:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can't charge your phone and have headphones in at the same time.
The adapter is 2 inches long so it will get lost super easy.
Knowing apple cables after 2 months of use that dongle will need to be in the perfect position to not short.
It allows Apple to push $160 bluetooth earbuds that cost $15 to make.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:06:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, plug the adapter into your headphones and then forget about it. Blammo never getting lost.
Apple chords have been great for me. Are you chewing on them?
I don't know how much a product that doesn't exist yet costs to manufacture.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:17:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And yet you still can't play music and charge your phone at the same time unless you get a wireless set. For audiophiles and people who can't afford 159 dollar EarPods, this is simply a terrible decision by Apple.
Thomjones ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:33:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You get the earpods WITH the phone though. From what I read anyway.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:16:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah you don't, it comes with a dongle to convert lightning to 3 5mm
Thomjones ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:03:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Does it come with lightning wired earbuds at least?
IntrovPC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:34:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm using an 18$ pair of SoundPEATS QY7s. Fantastic headphones, and Bluetooth on my 6s+. You won't need a $160 pair. These actually cost me less than those shitty skull candies.
huppfi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:52:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you think those are good quality you never used good headphones...or even acceptable ones.
IntrovPC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:18:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
For Bluetooth headphones they are. And I have a pair of Audio Technica ATH M50x sitting at home that I use there, and I previously owned a pair of Sennheiser 598s I have definitely used good headphones before. The QY7 are surprisingly good for their price point and being Bluetooth. I was not talking the entire headphone spectrum but simply in In Ear Bluetooth.
huppfi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:52:52 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Alright I misunderstood. Sorry.
IntrovPC ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:44:32 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All good man. Shits hard to convey through text sometimes ๐
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:15:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fantastic for you, sure. I use a pair of 120$ IEMs that i wouldn't be able to use with the stock IPhone 7.
IntrovPC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:19:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I was just saying that you don't 'need to spend 160$' for Bluetooth headphones. I don't agree with the change but I was simply stating it wasn't as expensive as you think.
And unless i understand you wrong, you can still use your pair with the stock 7, as it comes with a converter.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:24:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah man you sure know better than fucking Apple.
Lets see how it plays out, because they definitely put more (and better) thought into it than we did.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:36:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just because Apple made the decision doesn't mean it's the right one. Saying "you guys don't know as well as Apple" is a terrible line of reasoning.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:44:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not though. This place has extremely weird and narrow views on technology, plus a predisposition for despising apple and being scared of change.
And the amount of money/man hours/ and thought that apple has poured into the iphone 7 is, believe it or not, a lot better than what the goobers that hang out on reddit think up.
If reddit designed a phone, it would have a full keyboard, would be three inches thick for maximum battery and gaming hardware, and the OS would be crowdsourced.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:02:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not saying Reddit is right, either. It's just that "Apple spent a ton of time on this, so they know what they're doing" could have been said about iTunes Ping, MobileMe, and Apple Maps, too.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:05:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apple Maps is dope now though.
But yeah apple has definitely had some missteps in the past (Apple Maps not being among them), I doubt this is one of them.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:29:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A terrible decision in my opinion. In the last 8 years I've owned 2 apple devices and 2 android devices, and after this I'm not going to own an apple device again because this is such a mindfuckingly stupid change.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 02:38:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cool man. But you might want to take good care of your mom apple device because headphone jacks aren't going to be a thing in a few years regardless of the brand.
Mocha_Bean ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:28:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, right. Headphone jacks aren't going anywhere.
But, hell, even if they are, the new standard won't be Lightning.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:31:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The new standard will be Bluetooth dumbass.
Mocha_Bean ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:53:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No it won't. Most people will still use wired headphones.
Bluetooth headphones:
are significantly more expensive
usually sound worse than their wired counterparts
have to be charged
have terrible battery life
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:55:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Luckily the #1 phone maker is pushing us towards that and people will fix all of that in the next few years.
Mocha_Bean ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:25:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No one can fix the fact that bluetooth headphones are inherently more expensive than wired ones, and that they inherently require batteries, and that these batteries can't be very big.
And besides, Apple isn't pushing Bluetooth audio very hard. They only included Lightning earbuds with their phones, and they're charging $160 for the Bluetooth Airpods.
Chumby_Hufflepuff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:18:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How would you charge the phone, then? There's only one lightning port on the iPhone 7
CobraCabana ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:50:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why is everyone pretending that you can only use apple Bluetooth headphones?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:57:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't say or imply that anywhere.
CobraCabana ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:10:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You quoted the implication. They're pushing wireless. But you only listed one
frisbeemaniac95 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:51:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree. Another thing no one is really mentioning the fact that wireless headphones exist now. In a few years time, if you're still using wired headphones, you'll be like that one person that still uses a blackberry today.
Crypto- ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:34:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is reddit where everyone will bitch at Apple if they cured cancer.
craazyneighbors ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 01:48:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
True but it is dumb that you won't be able to plug in your headphones while you charge your phone with or without the adapter. I use my AUX cord while I charge my phone in my car all the time so it's a pretty big sewer for me.
That1one_guy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:02:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have a 2012 Jetta and still has only aux for some dumb fuck reason. I use a Bluetooth adopter though and works great. Surprised many people don't know about them. link to adapter https://amzn.com/B013QJ0W8Q
303onrepeat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:47:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
very true, r/technology also gets a hard on for trashing Apple. Anytime anything comes out that could be taken as bad they go full force into it, kind of like this thread even though Apple wasn't even the first to take away the headphone jack, Motorola, an android manufacturer was.
Jason_Steelix ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:44:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No but seriously, you're going to lose the adapter and be forced to pay way too much for a replacement. I guarantee it.
NecroJoe ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:51:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
$9.
_MUY ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:13:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What a ripoff! That's money we could be spending on pitchforks.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:03:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You think that's Apple's big scheme here?
That sweet replacement cord cash?
Jason_Steelix ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:22:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It all adds up genius.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:23:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's 9 bucks you paranoid goofball.
GowsenBerry ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 02:30:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For a thing you never needed, or could lose in the first place. Until now
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:36:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh jeez this place is hysterical.
Big_Stick_Nick ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:03:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then don't lose the fucking adapter. Keep it connected to your headphones. And like they said, it's $9 if you do lose it.
wjoelbrooks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:55:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're expecting a lot from adults here.
Jason_Steelix ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 02:22:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean i use Android so I don't really care. But I think it's hilarious that you people are so small minded that you can't see a blatant cash grab. Honestly I find it hard to believe that people have drank this much of Apples koolaid.
Crypto- ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:28:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But you do care enough to call people close minded for owning iPhones.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:20:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Say goodbye to your road trip playlist.
patrickfatrick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:42:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yea, I dunno. I'm sure there will also be an adapter that allows charging while listening too, very soon. I think mostly it just helps reenforce the narrative that Apple has their heads up their asses for a lot of folks.
Kapody ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:47:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's for people who want to listen to music and charge their phone at the same time. If they have an adapter for that then you're right, there is no reason to bitch.
Effyoutoo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:04:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hear what you are saying but, if that's the answer, why bother to get rid of it in the first place? "They got rid of the battery... So what's the big deal they gave you an extension cord!"
Fudge89 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's only an issue if you need to charge simultaneously.
FractalPie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:20:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most people don't like the hassle of having to use an extra adapter and they can't charge their phone and listen to music at the same time unless they want to use Bluetooth.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:50:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nothing says elegant design like phone adapters
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:01:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
apple isnt forcing you to use wired headphones..
jayy42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:54:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And a set of lightning headphones.
muaddeej ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:41:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because I have a set of headphones at work, at my pc, in my laptop bag, in my living room and in my car and I also hook up an aux cord in my car. So I would literally have to carry this adapter everywhere and switch it 3 or 4 times a day. And for what benefit? What do I gain for giving it up and using the adapter?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:04:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Buy a couple more adapters. And you get space for better phone components.
muaddeej ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:10:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So I have to spend extra money and be continually inconvenienced for ambiguous "better components"? I'll pass.
Raymoz101 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:54:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ok, so how do you listen to music while it's charging at the same time?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:56:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:05:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am going to actually.
Apache_Cox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:24:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They had to imagine the backlash if it was sold separately and that could easily have happened if you look at apples track record
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:37:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So when I'm in my car jamming to music, how the fuck am I going to charge my phone with the charging port tied up with the goddamn adapter? Do people not listen to music in their cars on long drives? Why is this so hard to grasp?
Who gives a fuck if you're an android user, you're an idiot regardless.
t0mbstone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:01:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The one and only real reason to complain is all of the people who like to plug their phone into their cigarette lighter in their car, and their phone's headphone jack into their car stereo's aux port. With this phone, they won't be able to do that any more.
On the flip side, it's an $800 phone. You can upgrade the stereo in just about any car to one that has wireless Bluetooth support for like $200.
Plain and simple, it's not anywhere near as big a deal as people are making it out to be.
I honestly can't even remember the last time I used the headphone port on my phone. I get in my car and it instantly connects to my phone over Bluetooth and starts streaming my Spotify playlist as I'm backing out of the driveway.
thatdudeman52 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:07:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No charging and music at the same time on long trips though. Adapter isnt a fix all.
Gibslayer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:48:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Oh shit my adaptor is plugged into my headphones at home an hour away can't listen to music in the car"
"Oh no someone has taken my adaptor thinking it was theirs and now I can't listen to music"
"Oh no the adaptor has broken can't listen to music now"
"Oh no my iPhone has a dick when it's in my pocket now"
"Shit I need to charge my phone while listening to music or making voice calls on headphones"
"Damnit that small adaptor must have fallen from my pocket at some point that'll be a ยฃ30 replacement"
It's a needless change which does nothing to benefit the consumer. Only Apples profit margins.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:39:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 01:49:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i have never done this in my life
DragonTamerMCT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:58:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
1) You're right, people are making a mountain out of a mole hill. 2) It's still an incredibly stupid design choice. They say 'it's been around for over 100 years!' like it's a bad thing. But it isn't. It's been around that long because there are almost no ways to improve upon it.
TL;DR; It's a big deal, but not that big. But it's Apple, had Samsung done this you wouldn't be seeing this as #1 on /all
chickdan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:07:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because Apple has become adapter happy and adapters are a bitch.
4609203 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:06:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e52TSXwj774
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:34:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Iphone 8: To make our product as slim and as lightweight as possible we've removed the screen and power button. Also to reduce strain on the processor we've removed useless apps such as the phone app.
porkyboy11 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:05:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then well call it the Ipod
iTroLowElo ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:39:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Its this time of the year again. Its time to get my year supply of salt.
NYstate ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 02:15:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Love the Apple apologists...
Android User: "I love my small tablet!"
Apple User: "Nobody will use a small tablet..."
Apple: "Introducing the iPad Mini"
Apple User: "Great idea. Apple does it again!"
Android User: "I love how I can swipe down from top of my screen and get access to some of my settings!"
Apple User: "Nobody needs to access your settings like that..."
Apple: "Introducing the swipe down to access your user menu feature!"
Apple User: "What an innovative feature. Apple is the trendsetter this generation!"
Android User: "I love my large phone!"
Apple User: "Nobody wants a large phone..."
Apple: "Introducing the iPhone 6 Plus!"
Apple User: "Large phones are great! Cupertino is were innovation truly lives!"
Android User: "I love plugging headphones into my phone. I use it for podcasting, SoundCloud an MP3 player or whenever I need some privacy!"
Apple User: "Me too. Spotify is my addiction!"
Apple: "Introducing The iPhone 7. Innovative features include no headphone jack!"
Apple User: "Headphones are so last year!"
PM_ME_UR_DEATH_CERT ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 02:34:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love it when my battery doesn't explode.
Leedubs1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:37:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sick (chemical) burn
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 05:37:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apples apologists about this whole fiasco are pushing me even closer to Google
[deleted] ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 01:29:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, I haven't been super happy with a lot of the decisions Apple has been making since Steve's death in 2011. But I think this is a decision that Steve Jobs himself would have agreed with. Steve wasn't big on external ports, and he hated out-dated technology even more. Remember when he was ushering fire-wire versus USB? How about Thunderbolt? A blue tooth headset is not that expensive now a days, and beats the hell out of being physically tethered to the device. You guys can whine on all you want, but this is good progress, and someday (maybe years from now for some of you), you will see that.
PunctuationsOptional ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 02:04:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'll get a phone without a headphone jack the day I can listen to music on it and charge it at the same time.
Til then, Steve can suck my dick.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:34:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kinky
slyfox1908 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:21:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can, though? You use bluetooth headphones. Are you reading comments or just complaining?
PunctuationsOptional ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 05:18:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know I can do that, but I don't want to. I like what I have and don't want to change. At least not as long as it has to be done that way
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:38:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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CB_Ranso ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:11:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How is it more complicated? My Bose headphones can go right in my phone, no hassle waiting for the Bluetooth to connect, better sound quality, and they don't have a battery life I need to worry about. When Bluetooth can seamlessly connect and has a day long battery life then I'll hop on board, but until then I don't think they should get rid of Aux ports.
PunctuationsOptional ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wireless is nice, yes. But I want it in a better format before I make the change. Right now it's like a C+ type of thing, I need it to be A- at the very minimum if I'm going to be using it.
Itsatemporaryname ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:33:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's a problem for people who dumped money into high end headphones
penis_butter_n_jelly ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:06:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They said the same thing about NO FLASH!!!11!, NO OPTICAL DRIVE!!!, ONE PORT!!! I'm os/manufacturer agnostic--I dual boot windows on mbp, have iphone 6s, windows gaming rig, surface pro 3--but all of these moves, including the jack removal are good things. Apple chooses the course for the entire market. Flash was shitty--now its dead. Optical drives suck donkey dick--now they're dead. Wired headphones are irritating and wireless head phones sound like diarrhea--now they won't and they'll get cheaper.
Numeric_Eric ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:37:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The problem is 3.5mm jack isn't outdated. As far as audio goes it's superior to Bluetooth for the foreseeable future. Bluetooth operating on limited bandwidth forces it to apply lossy compression. Which wouldn't be a big problem except people overwhelmingly listen to MP3 streams. So Bluetooth only will be double compression from the source where songs are universally exported in 16 / 44.1 wave files
It's like a wireless cable box to your tv. It may "forward thinking" because it has no cables but it'll just give you a shittier picture.
So audio quality will go down for the sake of design.
penis_butter_n_jelly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:54:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, its more like netflix. Is hbonow shittier than blueray? 100 times out of a hundred I will have a better experience with hbonow than putting pants on, driving to some store, finding a blueray disk, buying it, driving home, unpacking it and placing it in an optical drive bay. but i can't tell you the picture quality is better.
ffstriker ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:12:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is outdated. It limited so much that other jacks are ports were created to handle more in the audio world.
Digital Audio, Optical, XLR are a few that comes to mind
Numeric_Eric ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:42:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except both of those are options, and you'll be hard to find a system in the past that forced you to one. The 1/4" (6.35mm) is essentially the same jack with a larger input. XLR is almost exclusively used in audio production because of balancing and impedence issues. Digital Optical is an alternative for functionality and not necessarily quality. But in 99% of those cases, you still had the 3.5mm jack somewhere.
I think thats the problem here. Apple owns a consumer electronics company, they could have spent some money on developing codecs for Bluetooth that are working on better compression instead of just forcing it.
Its all in the context of consumer electronics and not the professional audio world. In professional audio plenty of people love lightning wire because of transfer speeds. It was shoe horned in, but it had benefits that people could justify.
Even forcing an adapter to the bluetooth / lightning cable just reeks of a money grab with apple making it proprietary.
Its not some apocalypse, I probably just won't get an iphone when I upgrade but from the consumer side, theres just a bunch of question marks above our heads.
Talking about technology and innovation and "courageous". The touch screen UI was courageous. That shit brought us a step towards the future.
This is probably the right route, but they really really fucked up the timing on it. Bluetooth isn't quite there yet to completely replace wired audio when tens of millions of people are using their phones for music on a daily basis.
disenchanted_youth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:55:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm actually on the fence regarding this decision. I think it's a bold and almost unwise move by Apple, then again I can't remember the last time I used my phone's headphone jack. I've been using Bluetooth earphones since almost forever and it's soooo amazing to not have a damn cord swinging around. That being said, I am not representative of the general demographic. I will most probably be getting the new phone however. I like iOS.
Wwwi7891 ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 01:52:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, it isn't.
d-atribe ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:01:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Show me a Bluetooth headset that will last all day without charging and you'll have a leg to stand on.
trueluck3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:27:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Still standing...
d-atribe ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 02:33:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bullshit. I have Jaybird x2s. They do not last all day.
trueluck3 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:06:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So do I; get a full Stern show in to start, then M4As between calls for the day. I mean, there may be a few 20-30 min. windows where it's paused, while I talk to someone or do something that requires more of my attention, but I only need to hit the charger every 1.5 - 3 days.
PirateNinjaa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:07:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The beats ones Apple just announced that have 40 hour battery life.
mistyflame94 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:17:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My problem is often bluetooth headphones don't work reliably in open spaces, every pair of bluetooth headphones I've had haven't worked consistently when I run out in open areas. The nicer headphones are better at dealing with this, however, I don't really want to spend 150 buckson headphones.
Also, if you have a car without bluetooth and want to go on a trip with the ability to both charge your phone and play music at the same time, you can't. Same with in house stereos and such without bluetooth. I agree eventually things will probably go to all wireless. I just personally think that it's too soon to be widely accepted.
Also, people/businesses who use the square for credit card swiping, can no longer keep their phone charged while doing this without buying extra stuff.
Overall I agreed in 2-3 years this will be mainstream, overtime all of these issues will slowly become non existent. Despite not liking the change I'm excited to see what happens.
PirateNinjaa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:07:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I used to have that problem with Bluetooth headphones, but my recent ones work just fine outside in open areas.
http://aftershokz.com/collections/all/products/trekz-titanium
theshenanigator ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 01:55:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nope. They'll point out how the Moto phone did it first.
matthewgstat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:48:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And failed. Apple didn't make the first MP3 player either.
theshenanigator ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:51:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You..... Do realized that you just proved my point right?
matthewgstat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:43:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't get what anyone's point is in this thread. If you don't think they're delivering an adequate level of value, then don't buy their products
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:19:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:08:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not on your life. When have they gone back on a "progressive" change? Their users just get used to the new normal.
PowerPC to Intel, USB A to USB C, 12-pin to lightning, trackpad scrolling direction, MP3 to AAC, Floppy to optical, removing optical. I could go on. But you know what's great about all those examples? They were right.
The one that didn't take would have to be FireWire, which was superior to USB (at the time). Coincidentally, that is the only change I've mentioned that was optional.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:51:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:17:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then buy a computer with an optical drive. They still exist.
Most people nowadays don't need to carry that around on a daily basis, though. Maybe music CD collectors and the odd time you want to watch a DVD (which will use your entire battery, too). I just leave my optical drive on my desk at home. On my laptop, in exchange for the optical drive I have both an SSD and a 1TB Hard Drive, but I could just as easily have opted for a thinner and lighter laptop instead. If your laptop weighs more than 4 pounds, it kind of defeats the purpose of being a laptop.
am0x ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:01:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah. They didn't go back on Flash and where is that now? If anything, wired headphones are something I already dismissed whil using my phone over a year ago. It is going to become the norm in 2-4 years.
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am0x ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:54:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There are other phones already out that don't have headphone jacks.
But another is the optical drive. You don't see those on laptops anymore and I don't know anyone who misses it. They also were the first to get rid of the floppy to replace with optical.
deal_with_it99 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 01:30:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I use Bluetooth exclusive, doesn't bother me.
Gr8pes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:14:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is the future. Who cares about the headphone jack anymore. I never use it.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:25:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Gr8pes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:02:08 on September 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's fair.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:58:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
look at mr money bags over here guys
all-the-puppies ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:21:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've always found the quality of Bluetooth headphones to be a more than a bit shoddy. Any recommendations? I really don't want to start carrying around a "dongle"...
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 01:28:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Android users care more about iPhones than iPhone fan boys
TightLittleWarmHole ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:32:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Android users didn't even know about this until all of the iPhone users informed the world about it.
blurry00 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:14:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The same can be said for iPhone users didn't know about the pull down notification back in the day.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:02:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Android users care about the state of technololgy. Apple is, for better or worse, a leader in this field. If they stubbornly refuse to include 3.5mm jacks, it's not like we can just ignore it and the rest of the industry won't budge. If Apple is successful, we will have to buy new devices.
Then there's the environmental impact - to say "you need to throw away your old shit" every few years is absolutely disgusting. In an era where global climate change is a major concern and front page news, to make changes that will force people to buy new shit that didn't need replacing (without a 3.5mm jack, I won't be able to plug into either my car or my home stereo) is shameful.
BilllisCool ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:52:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What technology improvements have actually been bad and made you miss how it used to be? If Apple pushes any innovation with this, it will be better. Yes, you would need a new device, but that's what happens when there's new technology. I don't know want the problem is, besides needing to feel like you belong by hating something that everyone else on Reddit hates.
yolosw3g ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:21:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
there's no guarantee about anything just because it's apple
BilllisCool ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:11:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't guarantee anything. All I'm saying is that this isn't as bad as people are making it out to be.
Gyshall669 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:15:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ionno man on here it really just seems like Android users love shitting on Apple, not for some greater good but just because they hate Apple. In the real world, yeah, Apple fan boys are more prevalent.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:20:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If I had a dollar for every time I heard "no, I mean a real phone charger" I'd have, I dunno, 11 bucks? Apple fanboys rub me the wrong way because there's this sense of "what Apple does is correct and the rest of the world needs to adopt their standards", while Android fanboys seem to be more along the lines of "jesus christ Apple why the fuck won't you just play along with the standards of the rest of the industry for fucks' sake you're ruining it for everyone".
Gyshall669 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:41:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just don't see how Apple is "ruining" it for everyone else though. If you don't like their products, don't buy them.
gcburn2 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:04:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Almost every other manufacturer out there has been using micro USB for years and is now moving toward USB Type-C.
Meanwhile, Apple had proprietary plugs.
So instead of everyone being able to use the same plug, apple users had to buy from apple and couldn't help their android friends out in a pinch.
Could you imagine how annoying it would be if not all computers could use the standard USB Type-A connectors that are everywhere? and If you came across a Dell you'd have to have a special cable to connect?
jrpjesus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:07:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Could you imagine if all android phones slowly switched from one USB standard to another? How could they inconvenience all of their customers like that?
gcburn2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:33:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except they're switching to a new standard that literally any company can and will adopt within a year or two and there's a a tangible benefit to the customer.
Apple won't let anyone else adopt lightning so it couldn't become standard even if other manufacturers wanted it to and it provides no benefit to customers.
jrpjesus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:44:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lightning provides benefits to consumers. It's a superior cable to micro-USB and has been around for 4 years whereas the USB-C spec was only nailed down in 2014.
Dvanpat ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 02:00:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've been a iPhone user for seven years, and four phone iterations (3G, 4, 4S, 5). My Android fanboy coworker talks more about iPhones than I do (granted it's all negative), and he's going on his fourth Android phone in a year. I'm still currently rocking my iPhone 5 that I've had 3+ years, and I've put it through hell.
He still won't accept the fact that he hates iPhones because he ruined his first one trying to jailbreak it.
jpark28 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:31:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, I have an Apple fanboy coworker who talks shit about my Android phone literally any chance he gets. "Oh, what are you having for lunch? Your phone sucks."
I had my Nexus 5 for 2 years with zero issues and am now rocking a Nexus 6P for a year with zero issues. It goes both ways.
BilllisCool ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:54:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It does go both ways, but there are multiple top posts on Reddit right now of people hating Apple, which never happens for Android.
Dvanpat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:38:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Reddit collectively hates a few things, iPhones are probably #1. I got downvoted for saying I have an iPhone, next guy says the same exact thing only has an Android, and he gets upvoted.
smokesinquantity ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:28:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, I have a Motorola, no headphone jack.
Aycee225 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:33:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just got a Galaxy S7 Edge last week and so happy I made the switch!
lFallout ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:22:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
4th week with mine, best phone I've had so far
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:51:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Video didn't killed the radio star, Apple did... https://www.quora.com/How-headphones-work-as-an-Antenna-to-play-FM-radio-channels-on-Mobile-phones-Why-mobile-companies-doesnt-install-the-same-inbuilt-Antenna-on-phones-to-be-able-to-play-FM-without-the-headphones
ZetaLightning94 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:27:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't worry, motorola dropped the port on the moto z f..
BGYeti ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:46:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And put it back with the moto z play
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:39:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:36:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol, but it comes with an adapter?
Pokepokalypse ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:28:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
#NSAjetfuelsteelbeams -> NSA wireless listening device installed by default!
Purple_Waffle_Iron ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:30:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't be surprised with more and more devices going to USB type-c if we see this trend carry over to some android devices.
MrCmyk ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:33:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's happening. Apple wasn't the first. Can't wait till for the posts on Reddit next year around this time when other handsets follow suit.
Purple_Waffle_Iron ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:38:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree 100%. Working for one of the major wireless providers in the US and dealing with these devices daily I expect it to happen by 2018
AskMeAboutMyBandcamp ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:28:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
there will be no posts because reddit doesn't like jerking the circle against androids. It has to be about apple! Because fuck people's aesthetic and artistic choices! If you're an artist, just get a thinkpad!!!
But seriously, I really am a fan of apple products. My macbook pro has a partition so i can game on the windows hard-drive, but i kept OSX for music production because it's far superior for that, and it's the industry standard.
Thomjones ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:54:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but the USB type c phones STILL have a fucking headphone jack.
Purple_Waffle_Iron ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:46:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know. I don't think all will jump ship right away but expect some to do so in next few generations of devices
gpzal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:34:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pfft Moto did it first, copycats.
Shadowws ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:49:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"It's probably a headphone jack, I bet it's a headphone jack, I know it's a headphone jack fuck it I'll just upvote now" image loads "Fucking knew it."
Still running on my iPhone 5, the last Apple innovation worth a damn.
pineapplelover2020 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:09:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I consider the iPhone 5 the peak of human civilisation. The 6 is too big for my pockets. Thus I will be holding onto my 5 for as long as humanly possible.
(Then I learned about the iPhone SE. Same size only faster)
Shadowws ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:41:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The SE is what I might end up with
ab-Owen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:50:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Even Windows Phones have a headphone jack...getting set for a comeback!!!!
sauerpatchkid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:51:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Love this!
Ziym ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:52:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can someone please explain this to me? (Disclaimer, intoxicated comment)
final566 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:29:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
APPLE NEw phone no headphone jack u are force to buy wireless headdset and it cost 160 bucks extra for their Air buds
homeboi808 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:02:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You aren't forced to buy the AirPods, the phone comes with a lightning-based EarPods and a lightning -> 3.5mm adaptor.
hitherescotty ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:52:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And Windows Phone!
Heesch ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:53:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My Windows phone also has this feature.
PancakeMSTR ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:53:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't understand what's going on. What is this gif supposed to be about?
homeboi808 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:06:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The new iPhone doesn't have an 3.5mm jack. Instead, Apple will include Lightning EarPods and a Lightning->3.5mm adaptor.
Apple also announced their new AirPods, which are wireless earphones. Besides Bluetooth, they use a new Apple-only codec that allows for better audio and easier pairing. The AirPods don't have cables connecting the earpieces (think of two Bluetooth headsets) and both fit into a wireless charging case, opening the case near the phone for the first time will pair it with not only the phone, but all your Apple devices on your iCloud account (after you confirm it of course).
Apple also announced this new codec is coming to 3 Beats earphones/headphones.
PancakeMSTR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:08:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So what is that gif about? It just looks like a normal headphone cable plugged into a normal iphone(?)?
homeboi808 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:19:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hence the title.
kinton9 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:53:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exclusively dead ^ ^ !
Gwinjey ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:54:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hahaha. I got that on my windows phone too
Mrtheboyfull ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:55:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sadly Steve jobs won't come out to save them this time
Diknak ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:58:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:04:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Still chillin' on the 5S. No issues here.
Trentnificent ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:05:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When my current iPhone finally eats it, I might actually look at other brands. It's been a loooong time since that was a reality for me. Crazy.
MrAlexChappell ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:11:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm currently using a ZTE ZMAX pro. A phone that has 32gb internal storage, expandable memory, a home button that is part of the touch screen (and vibrates when you press it) 2 more control buttons at the bottom of the phone (back and recent apps) that also vibrate when you press them, a fingerprint scanner, 2 great cameras, and a headphone jack. And it costs less than 200 brand new and unlocked. Also just to add, a 6inch screen and it is not even half an inch thick.
Apple is charging more money for less product with every iteration of their phones.
IamZag ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:50:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But, chip is slower, ram is slower, gpu is worse, screen is worse, camera and camera software is undeniably going to be worse, battery more than likely is worse, and you aren't running iOS, one of the main reasons people choose Apple. Your phone might seem better, but in all honesty, it's not. Most android phones cost the same amount as an iPhone, but have around the same features, it's not just Apple, it's all phone makers.
Willy_Wallace ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:13:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's like Groundhog Day every time Apple removes something from their products. Floppy drives, Physical keyboards, Adobe Flash, Optical drives, etc. Go back and look at all of the times they've taken something away and how the industry moves towards Apple. This will be a non-issue within a few years.
procallum ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:14:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't understand how Apple can be criticized for not being innovative and stealing things from Android; but when they try something different and unorthodox they get criticized again for being stupid and making bad decisions.
Spritedz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:21:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I totally understand the decision from Apple's standpoint. They want to revolutionize something and this is their first move towards that goal, wether it's good or bad. However where i think they are messing up is by the inconvenience this now creates for their customers. They are trying to remove a port and remove some cables - that's good, but it comes at the expense of being unable to charge your phone while using accessories or headphones with a cord, which would require the 3.5mm jack, considering that you need to use the charging port for the adapter. Some might argue that another adapter will come to help us do all of these things at once, which then makes the whole process more complicated and adds even more cables to the equation, making this technology more complicated than it needs to be.
I do feel like this technology will improve and we will look back and say this was a step in the right direction, but there are still some issues that need to be resolved and a lot of compatibility issues that will arise from this situation which makes this very impractical.
Silversilent ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:32:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Alright, what'd I miss?
GoodLunchHaveFries ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:35:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apple phones no longer have headphone jacks.
Chasing-Amy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:32:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can someone tell me what apples explanation has been, if there is one? I'm so confused.
mattemer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:34:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"courage"
schmak01 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:35:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Um we have those on Windows 10 mobile...:(
muggerfugger ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:36:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've been a apple only user since iPhone 4 but silly shit like this is going to make me go back to android
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:37:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
http://appleplugs.com/
nameforjenna ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:41:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My Droid X does not have an aux. I need an extra cord which I lost immediately after opening the package
_overhere_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:41:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Whoa!!!
thekingofnom ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:49:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Like honestly , removing the jack is not a hardware limitation. but motorola and apple still do this. Please just learn from vivo ( thinnest smart phone in the world and still has a headphone jack))
dark_knight_kirk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:49:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except when your case blocks it
candyman337 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:51:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Unless it's the moto z
technolomaniacal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:52:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Anyone who is upset about Apple removing the headphone jack from the phone has obviously never used Bluetooth headphones. Once you go wireless, there is no going back. And if you do have to go back for the occasional fling, it comes with a free adapter. Or you could buy a wired pair of headphones with a lightning connection if you are that desperate to stick to old technology.
asemodeus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:16:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bluetooth headphones need to be charged and have a slight hiss. Wired headphones are superior in every aspect besides portability.
technolomaniacal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:27:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You must have a bad or low quality pair. Mine have no hiss and only need to be charged every few weeks with moderate daily usage.
asemodeus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:46:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've tried multiple Bluetooth ear buds and they all hissed, even high end brands. I must have super hearing.
RouseHouse1013 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:58:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why would I use bluetooth headphones when the sound quality is degraded? Until bluetooth is able to play the same quality audio as a headphone jack, people will always want to use the jack. I'm guessing you've never owned any hifi gear if you can't see why anyone wouldn't want bluetooth.
jrpjesus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:10:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most users are streaming music at bit rates too low to make hifi gear viable.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:42:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dafuq? Sound over Bluetooth is noticeably awful
AndyFNG ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:53:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I always go to bed listening to a podcast or whatever and while I'm listening I'm also charging my phone. I will switch to Android when my iPhone dies.
Dale_edg ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:59:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dependable. Classic. Infinite battery life.
Ezzyduzzit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:02:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget about us Windows Lumia owners... All 10 of us...
12moparram ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:04:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This IS the droid you're looking for
ConsumerGradeLove ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:09:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What is this? Change? I can't help but hate change!!!
RufusMcCoot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:10:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm going back to my Palm Pilot.
lowkey_chingon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:13:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The iPhone has an adapter in the box.
thagreenmonsta ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:18:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not.....Windows phone BRaH
Sugarpeas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:20:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apple Exclusive!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:21:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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vactu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:25:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not Lighting, it's more likely to go USB-C since Nexus devices are already headed that way for charging.
robledog ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:23:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
BRUH that's innovation!
team3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:26:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In all honesty though, I hope Android doesn't force itself to follow Apple in this way.
Use it as an advantage. In no way are headphones needing a revamp
Makman824 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:27:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Great now we have to worry about headphones running out of battery. What if you're on the subway and the headsets die? Boo apple
swaggler ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:32:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The iphone7 does not have a 3.5mm earphone jack because proprietary software users have forgone their freedom for the illusion of convenience. Enjoy the DMCA suckers.
n8thegr823 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:34:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My Note 5 is still a much better phone than their "improved" IPhone 7.. Jokes on them
ragumaster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:37:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Note 5 loses to a iPhone SE jokes on you.
napoleonpp ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:35:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've been using iPhone for like 5 years now. These seems like just a selfish reason to make more money by then, either that or just a plain stupid question. It's tempting to go android just for that reason alone
YourPowerAnimal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:35:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would love to hear the meeting that Apple decided this was an intelligent idea.
joelthezombie15 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:36:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know the iPhone 7s is going to have a headphone port now right?
lordicarus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:39:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yet people will still mindlessly line up in front of apple stores everywhere to wait on ridiculously long lines to buy the shiny new phone, even though it is a completely unnecessary "upgrade".
brycemasee ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:40:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit, they have 3.5mm jacks built in to Android phones? That's genius. Seriously though, it feels like Apple is taking a step backwards.
inkedflower ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:45:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't even matter what company could use it. If it says "comes with a 3.5 headphone jack" it will be competing with the iPhone 7 in a heartbeat
narwhalyurok ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:47:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder what Apple is going to do for people who use their phone as a credit card reader. Many, many street vendors and the like use a cell phone as credit system. I'm not goinmg to be happy with the reader flopping around at the end of a 3" cord. Also does the new system mean you can't charge at the same time as head phone use?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:48:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This seems like a repeat of iOS 7:
remove Google Maps and install shitty navigation that's not complete yet
change UI design complete around from what was already liked by the average user
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:48:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Prediction: Apple gets rid of volume controls next. For too long we have been slaves to controlling the volume of music we listen to.
PerturbedMarsupial ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:50:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They just want to push their god awful beats headphones on people that will be designed exclusively for apple. Honestly, fuck beats and fuck apple for this (from an apple user)
blocoftheroad ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:55:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My blackberry does this too, can't be that exclusive.
SpeakingTruth1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:56:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know man, that extremely useful port that connects my car, speakers, and headphones may add a few ounces to the phone.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:14:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As soon as this gif loaded my phone buzzed in my pocket.
Bleep_Bloop_Unlocked ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:17:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Huh... As a Windows Phone user it's odd knowing I actually have a feature new iPhone owners will drool over.
ScrewAttackThis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:06:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Motorola's flagship Android doesn't have an audio jack, either. This is something that's entirely possible to happen with more Android flagships.
Gorgenapper ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:12:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Never mind the adapter... the worst part is not being able to charge the phone while listening to music. So you have to sit there and stare at the phone as it charges, or make it play music from the speakers (try that at your work), or play music and NOT charge the phone. Pure genius.
Turbotanten ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:16:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Good thing is that you can never pass the aux cord in your car to an iphone user.
Turbotanten ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:16:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Good thing is that you can never pass the aux cord in your car to an iphone user.
KlossN ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:41:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nu fรฅr du lunga dig med dubbelposterna
lorislongfellow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:16:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Watch as all android phones coming out will suddenly get rid of the headphone jack too
Reali5t ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:32:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't like it that they removed the headphone jack, but let's see how it's going to work out for them before we critize it. The same port has been so long in use that
quite a few peoplemost people here on Reddit weren't even born when Sony started using it in their electronics. Some peoples parents weren't even born back then. Now in the last 50 years technology has made huge improvements, including wireless connectivity.Just a few examples would be that phones are no longer corded, we no longer use cable boxes nor do we hookup our laptops to the TV as we have google chrome for that, we use Bluetooth instead of a wired headset.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:47:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm always been a big apple fan (as I type this on a 6s) but they make really stupid design choices. I'm just about done with their crap decisions.
acupofteak ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:50:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
why can't they make up their minds
AlanisMorriset ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:53:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is Apple trying to force users to use wireless headphones? Could this be a design decision to improve people's experience with listening to music. If you have wireless headphones, you never have to mess with a cord. If not-having-a-cord is more comfortable, moving to a wireless platform makes sense. Although, wireless means people can't easily tell you're listening to music (if they're ear-buds); and sometimes people use the corded headphones to signify they're not open to conversation.
Lopatron ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:57:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ITT: People who don't realize that iPhone 6's still work after the 7 is released.
Honestly I think my 6 will work for another 10 years, and if it does, that's how long I'm keeping it. It's perfect. They have built the perfect phone, so now they're just fucking around.
random_user_no2000 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:08:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That looks too much like penetration. It's degrading towards women.
culturerush ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:14:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One of the things I found quite funny is GarageBand
It has a guitar amp option that uses the line in function of the 3.5mm jack to record guitar or whatever else you plug the cable into straight into your phone.
Can't do that anymore
The main issue I have is that at the moment with a nice open system if you loose your headphones it's no problem, grab that old pair or borrow your mates for the day. Car auxiliary ports are no problem (my car is only 4 years old but doesn't have Bluetooth), trying out your old speakers is fine, using pc speakers because you lost yours is fine, using an aux cable to record directly into or out of your phone is fine.
All of that now depends on a single adapter. If you loose that your fucked until you go to the shop to buy another.
It's funny because phone model updates used to be about making life easier. The removal of floppy and cd rom was in response to the rise of usb at the expense of these two systems so it made sense. There has been no decline in the use of the 3.5mm jack in favour of Bluetooth and that's for one main reason. It's because in the quest to get a phone a molecule thick for some bizarre reason they have sacrificed phone battery to the point that for some people a charging pod is a necessity.
Fix the battery and Bluetooth headphones might take off. This is not a brave decision it's one based on trying make a device which all accessories need to be signed up with your company's standard, it's not progress it's regress for the sake of money.
I type this from my iPhone SE which I am quite happy with.
KidCoheed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:46:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can I attach myself to this as well
1wsx10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:32:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
exactly. the reason 3.5mm jack has been standard for so long is because audio hasn't needed it. almost everything else has had to change with the advance of technology, but audio is just so easy to do.
The 3.5mm jack is a great example of "if its not broken, don't fix it". something fashionable tech giants don't care for.
ahrarrahman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:35:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, at least the new iPhone doesn't blow up.
Brainnick ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:56:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just watch Android's sales skyrocket.
wyvernwy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:07:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I still hope for dual balanced XLR outputs.
Dr_Snaapop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:17:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Phone/interface. Hell I'd buy one. Think of the battery life with all that space too.
ShapesAndStuff ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:09:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One thing: if you have a phone don't buy a new one.
If you need a new one it is perfectly acceptable to get a current/last gen one.
Its not like a gaming pc where you may want to stay on top performance. You dont need to upgrade your phone every year.
ontaettenmamma ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:13:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
this is legit of ALL legits
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:13:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jobs didnt die for this.
powereoots99 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:17:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Way too analog for me.
1wsx10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:12:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The 3.5mm jack is a great example of "if its not broken, don't fix it". something fashionable tech giants don't care for.
tryunus87 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:17:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget the Windows Phones
USA_A-OK ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:18:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Except for the Moto z...
Edit: z not x
pineappleshaverights ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:19:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually Moto Z but whatever...
CopiesArticleComment ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:30:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Windows phones have this too
_KingOfCanada_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:39:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Android! We got your "jack" !
desknob ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:54:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How long before they remove the headphone jack from the iPod?
MrPinguru ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:12:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Windows phones can do that too...you know, if anyone is interested in...no?...Nobody?...I'll just see myself out.
muppethero80 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:36:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol you all laugh for now. But I bet they will follow.
GenericProtag ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:02:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Was super excited for the iPhone 7 since I still have a 5 but with the looks of it I'll rather stick to buying a 6 or SE...
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:14:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pfft no courage
AbsoluteDarkness ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:20:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just upgraded to the Moto Z Force Droid Edition and it is also missing a headphone jack, however it does come with an adapter for the phone so you you can still use them...I honestly don't miss it.
Randy_Jefferson ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:47:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
bluetooth audio simply isn't up to snuff yet, audiowise. this move by apple is just another nail in the coffin
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:45:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Has anyone considered you can't use Bluetooth headphones on a plane?
idoneredditalreadyy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:06:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can someone explain to me why they want to remove the headphone jack??? I can't even think of one reason as to why that would be a good idea
jn1512 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:44:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
$omebody $aid $o.
wharpudding ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:55:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because the only real gimmick they've got left is making their machines even thinner and selling more proprietary dongles.
Steve isn't around to save them anymore. Expect dumb decisions to be made now and then.
bunnyfreakz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:54:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Without jackphone, what stupid shit is this? Are apple try to become hipster ?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:06:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Moto Z tho
FadingEcho ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:28:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
how lewd
strmtrpr314 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:30:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is beautiful.
sdguero ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:59:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
IM convo from this morning...
Buddy: Dude! Did you see the Iphone7 is IP67 water reisstent?
SDGuero: Cool. So is the samsung I got 3 years ago. And the Samsung has a headphone jack.
Fanboi pwnage.
Throwaway_Consoles ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:27:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Me: Dude! Did you know the iPhone from three years ago just got an OS patch to fix a security issue? How cool is it that the OEM supports a product even after a newer model has come out!
SDGuero's 3 year old samsung: WHY WON'T GOOGLE-SAN NOTICE MEEEEEE!
sdguero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:40:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Right... Because my phone is always getting hacked due to Android security bugs. And if I did have a need or care about a zero day security bug, I definitely couldn't run a nightly build.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:45:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Until everyone starts copying Apple and does the same.
EDIT a word
dewabache ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:43:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Motorola did it first with the moto z.
bisselstyle9 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:00:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My HTC G1 didn't have a headphone jack, circa 2009
newsagg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:38:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You mean when apple goes under when they can't sell any of these things?
Maymayfish ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:10:28 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am so erect right now
swampfox94 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:18:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But... But ... Apple is so courageous for dropping the jack...
unnamed__ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:05:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Look I don't support them removing the jack as it seems completely unnecessary, but is anyone actually calling them courageous for this move? Reddit seems to think that anyone with an iphone must be a complete and total Apple fan boy and are just jerking off to every keynote thinking everything is brilliant.
lFallout ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:28:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ummmm, no one's making courage up
LlamasAreLlamasToo ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:31:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Please don't remove the headphone jack @AllAndroidManufacturers
ffstriker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:09:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They will
TheGrey_Wolf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:23:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually they might not. The beauty of Android phone manufacturers is, if one manufacturer forces something stupid, the others say "Look at that idiot" and continue to produce the normal stuff. You'll always find variety in the market. Atleast one or two of the major OEMs will continue the jacks.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:44:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is jacked up
Sorry, ill move to /r/jokes
DaBear_s ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:05:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck Apple I'm done with their shit.
captbrad88 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:26:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think y'all are taking this to serious. Like every new car sold has a Bluetooth option and soon it will be a standard feature. Headphone have been already going wireless, it's just Apple taking it a step further.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:27:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not everyone has a car with Bluetooth Is the Issue though.
captbrad88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:18:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's true, that technology isn't all widely availble but it will soon be.
Mushroomer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:02:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Still, there's no point in killing a feature just because you assume it will be unneccessary in a few years. You're still able to use wireless tech, but the option for wired is always appreciated.
It would have been smarter for Apple to release a model of the 7 that loses the audio jack (in exchange for a slimmer profile), and just let consumers decide if they want to make the tradeoff.
-Vinushka- ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:28:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To think one small feature has convinced me to move back to android, although my previous experiences were shit. I heard its much better now.
arijitlive ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:03:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Stick to Nexus phones, forget the rest manufactures. Having used life long Nexus, saw very few minor issues which can be solvable by semi-technical knowledge.
lFallout ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:24:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'll highly suggest samsung, my phones; 4s, s3, g3, and finally s7e. Couldn't be happier with my daily driver
yodels_for_twinkies ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:36:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
seriously? no headphone jack? well I'm still using a 4th gen iPhone but it looks like when I do upgrade it will be to an android.
gibertot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:56:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
im going to get the 6s this year and then android after that
ffstriker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:10:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In 2+ years you won't need the jack
Doctor_Jimmy_Brungus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:52:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
2 + what? 20?
allrollingwolf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:04:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just get a cheap 6s. Still better than the androids on the market right now.
stillalone ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:41:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't get what all the hate is about. Apple said that they were including an adaptor and headphones with the phone so people who said that they would gouge you on adaptors don't have much to complain about. and honestly, I've never used the headphone jack in any of my phones, ever. It's usually bluetooth headphones or speakers.
I'm an android guy through and through but I think having dual sims or an sd card slot is more useful than having an audio jack, especially when an adaptor comes with the phone.
Elevenst ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:45:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That adapter will be easy to lose as well though.
stillalone ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:51:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd imagine most people would just leave it plugged in to their headphones all the time. At least that's what I would do if I was in that predicament.
Elevenst ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:55:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well that's a given, but my headphone jacks get yanked on sometimes to the point of fraying at the plug base. I'd be the one losing it, and people like me that aren't delicate with little things.
00wabbit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Some people already own headphones with an analog jack. Some people own more than one set of headphones. I have over the ear for work and a nice set of buds for travel. I also use the apple headphones sometimes if I don't have the others handy. Sometimes I misplace one and use the other. I'm not buying dongles for all of them. I'm not buying new headphones because Apple wants me to. I like the ones I have.
When this iPhone 6 dies, I'm switching. I'm tired of their shit. I would rather take the money I would spend on new headphones and dongles and put it towards replacing the few apps I use regularly on android.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because it's a move that has no real reason except for to get people to buy more iCessories.
DerpSenpai ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:14:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
oh yeah thats a great feat this year brought, 2 sims or sd card, so legit dual sims dont need to be manufactured so its easier for companies, im looking to buy a phone on friday and i found it a really cool chance
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:32:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't get it either. Why would the adapter be any easier to lose than the headphones? Just keep it all in one place, and you'll be fine.
I don't really use headphones with my phone though, so maybe I just wouldn't understand.
Mushroomer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:03:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a small, inchlong peice of wire. That you are expected to constantly carry around with you, and would be unplugged any time the headphones are used with something besides your phone. The thing will vanish quicker than a Apple remote.
kirbadoshis ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:41:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's it, I'm switching to android
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:12:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People on Reddit really are reactionary luddites when it comes to technology. Guys, old standards have to change eventually.
Conzerak ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:32:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can see how these might catch on.
stillnessinwoe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:49:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Funny because there are Androids with no headphone jack. DERP.
mon01ith ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:01:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Just wait, in less then a year most android phones will have switched to USB-C and their headphone jack removed. There's a very good reason to do this, it off-loads a bunch of internal components (DACs, CODECs, Jack detection, etc.) into the headphones. This frees up some area and reduces power consumption when headphones aren't being used. Also, it opens up the possibility of some really great sounding headphones. The DAC and amp they can be bundled with won't have the crazy design restrictions of internal cell phone components.
ATL_LAX ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:19:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I understand why some of you might be mad, because you want to charge your phones all the time. I have a 6s right now and the battery lasts me around 10-11 hours before I really have to charge. I listen to music, browse Reddit , text, watch 1-4 videos on a day to day basis. I understand why some of you might be mad, but what if the battery life is so good not having to charge it a lot really doesn't change if you have an audio jack or not.
The second issue is the aux cord, Apple is giving out adapters and cars already have Bluetooth and some already use the usb as an aux in most cars.
People say they are going to lose these adapters etc. but if you are always gonna use it for an aux just keep it plugged into the aux.
Who knows, maybe other phone companies will follow maybe Apple will flop with the 7 and revert back to the aux in the 7s.
Every year Apple always gets bashed and then people forget about it when the actual phone comes out.
If you want fancy features get an android by all means, but I switched to an iPhone because my htc got really slow. Also iMessage is a great feature, android has hangouts but it's not the same, I wish they integrated it into the messaging app itself.
Just my opinion, trying to have a civil discussion.
OprahsCouch ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:26:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree, I have an iPhone 6 but used to have a Galaxy for my work phone. I thought the Android OS wasn't great for me personally. The phone seemed to be slow (I thought I was the only person that thought this) so when I had the option to switch back to an iPhone for work I pounced. I guess I'm used to what I'm know?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:48:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The flaws with your theory is that I use an aux cord on long drives and charge my phone at the same time, with the new iPhone 7 I'm essentially choosing between listening to music or charging my phone. Also, I don't want to have to carry around the adapter to listen to music in my girlfriends car, or on my computer, or whatever. It's an inconvenience with no real benefit to me, only for Apples coffers. I'll be ditching Apple for a competitor. Googles phones are shaping up to be impressive, and will almost certainly have better specs.
ATL_LAX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:12:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Google phones have always had better specs, but it's just too many features I don't use daily. The only think Apple has consistently been good at is taking photos and messenger.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:01:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'll take features I don't use daily + headphone jack I do use daily and better specs any day. Expandable storage too? I'm excited to see the Pixel announced next month
ATL_LAX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:20:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly android already has so many features it's prolly gonna be like last years but look much nicer and more refined.
Not_so_serious___ ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:08:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I moved from an iPhone 6 plus to a Samsung s7 edge at the beginning of summer,
Thank fuck I did.
I spent months and months debating back and forth about the switch from Apple to android - this Is the best I could of hoped for. Thanks Apple, for cementing my decision.
MentallyWill ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:54:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously. I've found many of Apple's most devoted fans haven't ever tried a non-iPhone, can't bear the thought. I had an iPhone for 3 years and literally 1 month into my android thought to myself, "I'm never going back."
Siex ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:59:43 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have the droid Moto Z Force... And it does not have a 3.5mm Jack
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:58:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But but but muh anti-apple circle jerk
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:14:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One Android device out of the 100s out there doesn't have a headphone jack, get over yourself.
am0x ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:00:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually I think there are a few without them.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:50:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One phone out of hundreds doesn't have a headphone jack. Get over yourself.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:57:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One iPhone with iOS. Only phone line to have iOS. Want iOS and a headphone jack on a new phone? Sucks to suck.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
5 phones with iOS. SE, 6s, 6s plus 7 and 7 plus. Still not getting the non stop butt hurt.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:29:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hence why I said "on a new phone."
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:39:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure you can get a brand new iPhone 6s directly from Apple.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:40:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure with the release of the iPhone 7, the iPhone 6s isn't "new" anymore.
Siex ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 01:03:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hate em as much as the next guy... but not because of the lack of a 3.5mm jack.
I hate them because they are a horrible company.
camdoodlebop ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:54:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How are they a horrible company?
bwaredapenguin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:00:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Apple_Inc.
The highlight for me is the "labor practices" section.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:00:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You are blind if you don't think other companies have shady labor practices https://techcrunch.com/2016/01/19/apple-microsoft-samsung-and-other-tech-firms-implicated-in-child-labor-report/
bwaredapenguin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:41:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We're not talking about other companies though, he asked why Apple is horrible.
BilllisCool ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:47:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Google
Siex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:14:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Here are some things that suck about them. the products, and the business practice.
Closed Environment for Developers, Apple micromanages its smaller companies into oblivion only continues a closed environment for developers and consumers.
Jailbreaking phones is not illegal. Breaking free to maximize a phone's potential is just fine with most companies, but not Apple. They regularly try to cancel out jailbroken phones through "mandatory" updates.
Apple was recently in court over the discovery that they would delete songs not purchased through them via iTunes "updates." This would be like a Sony Playbar not working on a Samsung TV because both items are not from the same company. Oh, Apple didn't tell anyone they were doing this, so imagine losing songs you paid for. The best part? Apple was found innocent in this.
While there is sadly no law against tax avoidance, Apple has abused this to an extreme. Last it was checked, Apple has more money than the US government AND enough money saved to end global poverty. Don't believe me? Look up Oxfam's numbers to end poverty and compare that to what Apple has in their reserves. This side money can also be used to bully small businesses (or buy them out) as they head towards a Monopoly.
Most companies will let you know about downloads so you can accept or reject them. Apple just shoves them in an update knowing you aren't reading the "Terms and Agreements." Some are harmless, like Safari being downloaded, but others include malware that Apple purposely put in their updates. They were even taken to court when they had the idea to have forced ads that, if skipped, would lock you out of your phone.
Remember the crazy war between Samsung and Apple over patents? Well, Apple was basically trying to patent every little aspect of the smartphone (like the shape of the apps and the ability to swipe). Normally, you would just pay someone to use the patent, but Apple wanted them just so nobody else could make phones besides them.
Aggressive Litigation - This term essentially means you sue your competition until they don't exist. It can be over patents (like with Samsung) or it can be moments like them trying to ban certain companies from selling in the United States. With the money they possess thanks to tax avoidance, they can go to court with everyone almost as often as they like. Like I said, they're not the only company doing things like this, but they do this far more often.
Treatment of Employees (the workers that make the phones/tablets/ipods), the "Apple Geniuses" are another story This includes forced holiday work WITHOUT BEING ALLOWED to tell families, spy cameras in offices, engineers being forced to work under sheets and the fact one employee hinted that Apple has "pain chips" for higher-ups that leak anything.
Sun Dan Young This man worked for Foxconn, one of the Chinese manufacturers Apple uses. Under his care, an iPhone prototype (the iPhone 5 I think) was stolen and/or lost. Foxconn, fearing Apple's lawsuits from zero-tolerance on leaks, tortured this man until he leaped out of a 12th story building.
Speaking of Foxconn, let's breakdown how they treat workers. Fifteen hour a day shifts with zero breaks, no contact with the outside world, yawning can result in pay deduction and army-like training every morning. All this, and much more, for only $ 40 A MONTH. Another company Apple uses doesn't even pay, but instead promises student workers a CHANCE to graduate. That's illegal in China as it is in the United States. Not to mentions these plants have "suicide nets" built around the buildings because people were jumping from them so regularly due to the treatment at work.
Just to be clear, Apple Pegatron sweatshops are even nastier than the Foxconn sweatshops
Apple practices censorship. Here are a few examples.
Apple appears to be censoring all bitcoin apps for iThings.
It should be illegal to make or distribute computers which are platforms for censorship.
Apple demonstrates the arbitrariness of its censorship by blocking an app that tells people with text messages when US drone attacks kill civilians.
The author said that this app was meant to raise awareness. I hope Apple's censorship of it raises awareness. Apple censors information about abortion providers. As of 2015, Apple systematically bans apps that endorse abortion rights or would help women find abortions.
This particular political slant affects other Apple services. Apple's mail service silently censors the mail people send. Apple deauthorized a Wikileaks access application, using censorship to support censorship.
Apple censors iTunes ebooks โ banning all mention of Amazon.
People should not do business with Amazon, which mistreats authors, publishers, its workers, and its customers. Ms Lisle's presupposition that the goal of success is all that matters is not admirable.
However, that doesn't justify Apple's censorship.
Of course, publishing in iTunes was already bad for other reasons, such as DRM, and requiring users to use nonfree software. Apple banned from iTunes the erotic novel, The Proof of the Honey, saying it was because of the cover.
Apple censored a game for the iThings called Angry Syrians, which is a political parody of Angry Birds. Apple said it was "defamatory or offensive" โ to the dictator Assad, apparently.
Apple machines are built with unusual screws that make it difficult for the owner to take them apart. Along with technical barriers, Apple lobbies against "right to repair" laws.
am0x ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:00:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Becuase Sony and Motorola hire only war vets and pay them $200 an hour to build their phones...oh wait, no they still use slave labor too.
traduce ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:38:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is pretty funny. I'm amazed that some of the Apple users are impressed by this. Apple does a great job at putting a bow on dog poop and telling you it's steak
dankmernes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:28:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't seen many, and that's saying something
Freeadvicefromdanet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:42:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Aren't trump steaks the best?
carrotstix ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:01:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do the people at Apple just sit down and think of ways of making things worse or did an itunes designer get loose into the phone production section?
homeboi808 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:51:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, the do cost/benefit analysis and find what makes them more money. This is why they introduced their new wireless earphones (not Bluetooth, though the earphones also support that, but a new codec) and they also introduced that same codec into a few Beats devices (the new Solo3, the power Beats, and a new one). If you forgot, Apple own Beats, so they are making a ton of money.
AcidSnowScArab ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:32:34 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Games developers ignore their PC's, and their phones are an overpriced-locked ecosystem. ...I've never had a use for an Apple product, and I doubt I ever will.
am0x ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:59:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well for people that don't play games and need a Unix environment, Apple is by far the best product. Just because you don't have a need doesn't mean others don't either.
madd74 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:32:24 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Give Samsung a few more, and they will remove it... cough S6 cough
hakkai999 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:48:32 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Given that they've backtracked on expandable memory, that would not be happening anytime soon.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:48:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ugh, dropping support for expandable memory was so annoying. So painfully obvious the only reason they were doing it was to drive people to SaaS online storage options. Infuriating!
Thomjones ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:15:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey...it worked for Apple. Can't blame them for trying.
JustAintCare ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:51:43 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What did they remove on the s6?
madd74 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:53:28 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is a take on the ad campaign for the s5, talking how it was nothing like the iPhone, just to have the s6 come out that took away removable battery and memory, and in many cases having people compare it to the iPhone (going against that ad campaign).
Thomjones ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:14:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Remember when they tried to make their phone more like iPhone and it failed horrendously? Yeah let's take away expandable memory, removeable battery, etc. People got pissed the fuck off.
madd74 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:55:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, or, a phone battery would "explode" and instead of just doing a simple battery recall/replacement you have to do an entire phone....
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:15:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They have no reason to, this is the perfect marketing point for the S8 when it comes out.
duecemango ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:30:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Every iPhone comes with an adapter.......
Waelgeuge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:34:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Which is more of a hassle...
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:52:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can't charge phone and play music in car. Music kills battery, now my phone is half dead at work. What is so hard to understand
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:50:14 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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clobear1990 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:57:43 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Which are coming back. Newer doesn't mean better...
waterbuffalo750 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:07:23 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hipsters will love it?
omejia ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:20:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Vinal still sounds amazing
anonymau5 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:01:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jobs would've been so far beyond this crap. I really miss his innovating.
favorited ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:49:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except people said the same thing about the iMac not shipping with a floppy drive, and iPhones not having a physical keyboard, and iPads not running Flash.
Jobs was at the end of the line for all of those decisions, and they all worked out.
Thomjones ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:24:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah and they all sucked at first. It took another generation or two before it was okay. I will never forget the amount of bitching about the iphone's screen when it came out. Or how mac didn't have a floppy drive bc it had no use for it, but you were fucked if you wanted to reinstall old programs. Having a floppy drive on a PC made sense and made sense for years after the tech was outdated.
bigfinger76 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:55:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I must have missed it too.
maximumeffort_ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:45:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What innovating? Jobs stole everything he introduced to iPhone and acted like they made it first lol
matthewgstat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:51:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The iPhone first gen? Really? They essentially innovated the contemporary smartphone.... But anyway, Apple may not invent everything they come out with, but they sure as fuck make it mainstream/marketable.
gizzardgullet ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:59:53 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Plus an Internal DAC
nyrol ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:36:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The dac is still there. You need one for speakers
gizzardgullet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:47:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Forgot about the speaker. I heard they were thinking of removing the dac but now I'm not sure how they planned on doing that. Lose the speakers too I guess.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:26:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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lFallout ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:30:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm hoping for LG users it doesn't have the hardware issues so many releases are plagued with
griffithstoby ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:18:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And it's waterproof on the S7
ffstriker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:09:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No phone is waterproof.
Water resistant
Mathieulombardi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:45:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But newest moto doesn't have this feature either...
brildenlanch ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:33:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People actually have to care about something to talk about it.
am0x ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Like Christianity, Warcrimes, or cell...phones...
cp5184 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:34:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
at&t phone exclusive
Spacecommander5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:13:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Rofl
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:49:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you ever lose your tiny wireless headphones, I'm sure you can always buy a new pair for $100.
homeboi808 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:01:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They are $160, though that is actually not much more expensive than the competition, and it includes a wireless charging case and a new wireless codec for better audio, double tap for Siri, noise cancellation (though it seems only for calls) and auto-pairing with all your Apple devices.
I would never buy them, but they aren't outrageous.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:55:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're not outrageous for wireless earbuds no. However the outrageous part is you have to have them. You can't just go pick up a pair of generics for $5-$10 when you inevitably lose them.
I probably go through 2-3 sets of earbuds a year. They're like socks in the laundry.
homeboi808 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:00:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can buy $10 Bluetooth earbuds. I just bought a pair of $16 ones (one-day sale from $25) and they are pretty decent. The range is super great, they sound decent, and they have "memory wire" where cable wraps around your ear and keeps its form (think of a bendy straw), my only real complaint are that even the small ear tips are a bit large.
windwaker910 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:50:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So now I either have to use some stupid wireless earbuds or carry around some lame ass adapter. Guess I'll be sticking with the 6 for a long time.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:18:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't get the issue. For me the adapter will just stay on the end of my headphones which are always in my bag so........
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:52:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly miss my old military grade flip phone. I had it until you couldn't get them anymore but lost it at Bonnaroo back in 2013. I ran that fucker over twice changing my oil in gravel, no damage.
kijib ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:56:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
srsly fuck Apple
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:57:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was actually thinking of making my next phone an iPhone so that I could compare and see which I prefer. That ain't happening now.
TheDigileet ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:02:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If apple made a car with the same design choices as their current products, it wouldn't have any way to access the engine, and repairs will only be possible at apple dealers that charge $150 for an oil change, and the engine will self destruct if it detects any repair that was done by anyone but a certified apple mechanic. The gas tank filler will be on the bottom of the car and you will need to buy an adapter to fit the nozzle in your tank if your car was made before 2012. Now with today's announcement, it will only have one pedal because why on earth should we waste space on 2 if 1 can do just fine? If you insist on using the outdated 2 pedal system, we have provided an awkward adapter that adds a brake pedal and makes it 2 feet longer than it needs to be.
DogLegJournalist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:04:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And for these reasons you have been chopped.
-rabid- ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:04:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not exclusive! Windows Phones also have this.
TatM ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:08:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This was your last comment before your very popular comment.
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:31:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:13:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They made a fuss about becoming wireless but failed to include wireless headphones in the box or implement wireless charging.
NEVERDOUBTED ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:36:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Removing the plug is Apple's way of filtering out people who are cheap and price sensitive.
AthleticNerd_ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:45:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Right? They'll spend $700 on a phone, but hey, an extra $9 for an adapter to use my old car aux cable, FUCK NO!
wammy71 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:38:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm here for the Apple hate-jerk, hope I'm not too late!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:01:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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TMWFYM ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:11:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol it comes with a lightening to 3.5mm sooooo
Color-less ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:04:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Awesome....now you will have to wait until your headphones are charged to listen to music! Good job Apple!
I2obiN ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:22:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're literally giving you a 3.5mm to lightning converter/adapter with the phone.
Calm down people
OutgoingBuffalo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:50:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Happy to be a Galaxy owner. I feel bad for all the apple folks out there who are used to aux cords for their cars.
kikitron ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:03:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How many items can you have connected to your wifi or Bluetooth before you slow your phone down, kill your battery or drain your resources? Sounds like they are causing more problems to swoop in and claim they solved.
Dirayiou ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:07:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As an iPhone user I'm laughing my ass off at this.
Take my upvote.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:44:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
it's almost a given that everyone is going to get rid of the phone jack. i don't even know why you guys are crying so hard.
shokalion ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:49:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What's suddenly so bad about the headphone jack? Literally nobody thought this until Apple told them to.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:59:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I will not buy a phone that I cannot connect to my car and home stereo. The people saying "you need to get with the times" are saying "you need to buy a new car". Fuck bluetooth - I've never been in a car with built in bluetooth that let me sync a device while the car is moving.
Checkerszero ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:08:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Audio fidelity suffers, too.
thewhat23 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:06:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have a car with Bluetooth and it's annoying sometimes. Car loses connection to the phone a lot. I have to delete phone from car and sync it all over again. It happens every few times.
Chawklate ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:56:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Saying you 'cannot' do it is completely false. The phone comes with a 3.5mm audio jack that goes into the lightning connector.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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shokalion ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:13:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you mean back in the mid 2000s, then yeah there were and it sucked. There were crap adapters you had to use, or even worse custom (invariably low quality) headsets that had the right connector for your phone.
If you mean now, sure there have been some Motorola handsets like the Moto-X without it, but that's one Android handset from one company that people have almost invariably slammed because of it. Out of hundreds. So importantly you still have the choice to buy a phone that does.
You wanna stick with Apple, well then sucks to be you if you've spent hundreds on a high quality set of monitor headphones.
lFallout ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:13:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And they didn't strive and become norm because nobody wants them
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:55:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The fact that people are "crying so hard", me included tells competitors that this is a stupid decision. Give me one reason why its a good idea please, i genuinely want one. I don't need my phone to be thinner, bluetooth headphones consume more battery, and many phones WITH jacks are still waterproof. So why is it a good idea? The people who are "crying" are literally just calling this a stupid move, as I said please tell me why it's so progressive of apple.
HIGH_ENERGY_MEMES ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:50:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because it's a stupid, useless, illogical, and frankly shady move that no one wants.
llanfairpwll123 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:28:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
you think in 5 years (if phones still exist) anyone will still being using analog audio?? didn't think so.
ninjoe87 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:13:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You think phones are going to go out of style in 5 years?
You think analog is going to go out of style too?
Holy shit. How old are you? 12?
Please look at how long both those things have been around, they're not going anywhere anytime soon, kiddo.
llanfairpwll123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:31:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
not sure you understand what 'if' means, but fuck yes, I do think analog audio is going to go out of style.
you know what was around forever too? the fucking horse as a means of transport.
so get your head out of your arse, and think about it. technology progresses, and I'm saying apple are trying to be the first to do the inevitable.
ninjoe87 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:25:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I've never seen anyone ride a horse.
Oh wait. I see that all the fucking time.
Maybe you should move out of the city, you know, catch a glimpse of what life is like outside your tiny little box.
llanfairpwll123 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:35:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
sorry mate but you might struggle to figure out what's wrong with your logic there.
you don't need me to explain it to you, do you?
Kropotqueer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:40:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
HOLY SHIT SO THIS IS WHAT IT'S ABOUT
I had to sort by controversial and scroll through a bunch of comments to figure out what you people were talking about. how the fuck are you this aware of what holes random expensive products have?
good god, you people are bourgie as fuck.
Mrtheboyfull ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:56:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not yet not yet
Richy_T ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:28:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It might actually make sense with USB on-the-go.
SeveralWhales ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:10:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I don't know too many people millennial age or younger that use the jack more often than Bluetooth.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:48:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The new Moto doesn't have one either
am0x ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yea, they are too early to the game, but they are on a lot of things. Their changing the game tends to accelerate how quickly new standards are adopted.
ReadShift ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:03:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why? Why get rid of such a well-working ubiquitous standard that people clearly like?
marabra ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:03:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apple is the greatest marketing company of all time. They pinpoint target what they think people overvalue. Nice screen, nice camera, nice design, simplified UI, while cutting costs by giving the rest poor specs. Make it a closed system so they can control 3rd party products and sell it all for twice the price it should be.
heronumberwon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:00:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People can laugh at this shit now
But soon all android manufacturers will copy and that'll be the end of 3.5" port
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:28:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What's the big fuss? They package a Lightning to AUX adapter in the box...
Birata ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:37:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Which becomes a nice long lever together with the 3.5mm and starts bending your port until it breaks and you have to buy a new phone.
Apple are smart, they gave though about this top.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:51:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What the fuck is so hard to understand about this? You can't charge your phone and play music. Long car rides and plane flights all of a sudden become a matter of choice rather than convenience. With apples specs already lagging way behind their competitors, at a higher price, what is enticing me to get a new iPhone? Nothing
DaveyDukes ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:26:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If it comes with an adapter, and a lightning set of headphones- what is the actual problem? You now have a more durable and more water resistant phone. Also it's 1 less port to clog up with lint from my dam pocket
ngpropman ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:42:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can charge my phone and use the headset at the same time.
pilot3033 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:25:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
3.5 to bluetooth adapters exist for cheap, so do cheap bluetooth headphones.
ngpropman ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:30:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yeah and you know what is free? A headphone jack in my android phone.
ntrahan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:04:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
HURR DURR the biggest company in the world by market cap is full of idiots, HAHA they can't seem to get anything right!
What you all seem to fail to see is that:
1) The headphone jack is HORRIBLY outdated. it's an ANALOG connector for crying out loud!!! Do we still use analog audio and video cables for our TVs for instance? No because digital connectors are much better in many ways, most importantly, the quality of the signal itself is much higher!
2) This isn't about making a slimmer phone!!! Stop saying that! The iPhone 7 is the same thickness as the iPhone 6s. It's about freeing up space inside the casing to have more design options. For instance, you can put a larger battery there, better camera and screen technology, etc. Designing hardware is about making trade-offs. There's only so much space you can use, and I really don't think it's worth using so much of it to permit the use of an ancient, outdated connector.
3) The real issue here isn't about removing the 3.5mm jack. It's the fact that Apple is replacing it with a proprietary connector. This sucks for the iPhone consumer because if they want to continue using wired headphones, their new iPhone 7 compatible ones won't work with their other devices. That's unfortunate, but it also means that Apple is able to save even more space by reusing the lightning connector infrastructure. So as an iPhone consumer, you might have to buy an extra pair of headphones, but your phone will probably be even better in other ways than if it would have had a dedicated digital audio connector. So you pay more $$ but you get a better experience, which is in theory the Apple way (obviously that's not always the case with Apple, but often it is and it's part of the image they want to create for themselves) Also note that this is all irrevelant if you use bluetooth headphones, which have gotten much better in the last few years.
And by the way I'm an Android user, happy owner of a Nexus 5 (although it does have its issues), and for me I see removing the headphone jack as a PLUS. But note that I mostly use bluetooth headphones.
so_wavy ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:16:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Last year:
"Apple isn't innovative anymore!"
This year:
"Apple needs to stop changing stuff!"
LanZx ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 00:31:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Removing functions of the phone isnt innovative
akiva23 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:57:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Putting out the same garbage every time year isn't either but apple used to win those most innovative company awards like all the time
baconsoupfordays ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:31:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But a super energy efficient wireless technology is innovative. A smartphone with a fucking telephoto lens is innovative.
LanZx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:05:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If your talking about the CAM and the CPU, i got nothing about praise for apple cause they keep blowing other companies out of the water on that end.
But removing a core function of a phone for no reason is not innovating, They could have added the efficient wireless technology into the phone without removing the jack.
Also this inst a improvement. Unlike from VCR to Disk this doesnt give enough of a improvement to justify removing the option on having it
baconsoupfordays ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 06:08:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In Apple's case they needed space for 3D touch, stereo speakers, and waterproof and bigger battery. Look it up
LanZx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:15:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All of those features have been done on before and doesnt reqiure the internal DAC to be removed for the 3.5MM jack.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:50:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
lol waterproofing doesnt require the removal of the headphone jack, bigger battery is solved by abandoning this silly thin fad, and your simply not going to get stereo sound from a phone so dont even try it
baconsoupfordays ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:05:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
K well youre missing the bigger picture here. ultimately if you dont like it dont buy it. ive always said apple is the bmw, audi, etc of the tech world. premium experiences. and btw im not a full apple fanboy i have a android phone
uncle_paul_harrghis ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 00:26:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Removing the headphone jack isn't innovative, it's pointless, outside of the ability to sell more peripherals.
[deleted] ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 02:34:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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uncle_paul_harrghis ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:37:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol...Vision?! Are you joking? You're joking.
James_Locke ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:58:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Here is their vision:
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
matthewgstat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:22:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, and in order to achieve that they need to deliver some sort of value to their customers.
James_Locke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:47:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Which by forcing me to buy a product I dont want, significantly diminishes that value.
matthewgstat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:56:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're not forcing you to buy anything. If you didn't see their value proposition you wouldn't be considering purchasing their product, yet you are... and if you're not, then you shouldn't care.
James_Locke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:57:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have owned apple products for a while now so yeah I do care. Looks like the 6S will be my last iPhone.
matthewgstat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:00:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've only purchased one Apple product (iPhone 6, never had an iPod or Mac or any other phone), so maybe there's just something I fundamentally can't understand.
James_Locke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:03:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had a 5S before the one I have now, so my smartphone experience has been pretty much constrained to just iphones. I dont want to learn a whole OS but I use my audio jack every day while also charging my phone. Im not made of money, so the wireless headphone with lower sound quality dont appeal to me at all.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:56:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
the companies long term vision is to get idiots to buy a new overpriced phone every half year that requires specialized peripherals that are also overpriced.
matthewgstat ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:25:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do only idiots buy Lexus vs Honda in your view? The market is saying that they're not overpriced. Do you think Samsung or any other Android phone maker doesn't have a similar ultimate vision (i.e., $)? The thing is, in order to get the most $ you have to deliver a competitive product. Competition is good.
Ianchez ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:52:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Enlight us
matthewgstat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:54:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Enlight you?
DonutPills ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:07:03 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
simply brilliant
10gauge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:28:16 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A lack of innovation in can live with.
andmorel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:59:10 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
AMAZING :') BEST FEATURE EVER I NEED MORE !
Suckydog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:16:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh gosh, that's so 2016ish
The_Right_Reverend ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:26:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My android doesn't have one.
tank_system ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:28:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks Obama..
gonzo_thegreat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:30:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
NSFW please ;-)
CaptainRamboFire ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:31:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I missed whatever caused this onslaught of stupidity and I don't get it.
Comder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:31:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Unlimited audio listening!!! yes!!!
jhorn1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:32:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
it just works
dj_blueshift ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:32:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
nsfw
gay2016 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:32:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bluetooth FTW
EliDaScienceGuy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:33:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They are making a headphone jack for the lightening adaptor.
seb_02 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:33:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Think different.
earnestino ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:33:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Call Android police!! Shots fired ๐ฅ
FDM_Process ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:34:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wish I could get a 3.5mm jack on my phone.
GPrime85 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:34:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just saw Steve Jobs starring the Fassbender. I've only ever owned an iPod Nano, so I can't speak in detail about Mac's products, but it seems that man had a real chip on his shoulder for doing things his way (for better or worse).
Thomjones ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:43:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well that particular movie is highly fictionalized. Nobody who personally knew him endorsed that movie.
3DIndian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:34:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Windows phone user here
hadoopken ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:35:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That does make you an exclusive.
omejia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:24:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol damn
zyal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:35:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Beats by Tim
Bossking58 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:36:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The new Motorola Z did away with the aux port on their latest phone and makes you use an extension that plugs into the usb-c port. Duh.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:36:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ahahaha
Organite ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:37:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This reminds me of the PS4 shitting on Xbone ads of yore.
jakenice1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:37:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
What am I missing here?
barely_a_C_student ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:37:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i don't get it either but I'm sure they'll be an adaptor of some sort to solve that.
Spacecommander5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They come with an adapter in the box, so you don't have to pay extra for it
bike4Ever ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:37:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cowards.
Spacecommander5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
?
YangReddit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:40:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Never owned an apple.. But how is this an android exclusive? Is apple getting rid of aux connection?
Spacecommander5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:51:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They just got rid of it on the iPhone 7. They give a free adapter with every iPhone 7 however
YangReddit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:25:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Any actual benefits despite the obvious drawbacks?
crunchywelch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:41:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.osnews.com/story/18/The_iMac_and_the_Floppy_Drive_A_Conspiracy_Theory
bobbo007 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:42:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm lost???? What??????
emcee_paz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:43:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
New iPhone has no headphone jack.
bobbo007 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:23:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, that makes a lot more sense. Thanks for that info. Seems kind of dumb as f*** why you wouldn't add one but whatever.
CalmMango ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:42:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why? Just why?
donut2099 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:43:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What, and it just works? Why doesn't Apple have this?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:43:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't seem like it will affect me in the least. We'll see I guess. I am not moving to Android.
isitatomic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:44:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Whoever led the design team for my Macbook Pro touchpad should have the Apple reigns so shit like this never sees the light of day. Taking the mouse peripheral away was, and continues to be, an amazing upgraded experience.
But this..... this is..... nonsense.
niikhil ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:44:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Facepalm when someone passes you the aux cord...but you have an iPhone 7
42SuperScrub42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:45:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually no, some android companies in an attempt to thin out the phone also got rid of the jack.
cloverlief ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:45:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is easy to understand why Apple removed the headphone jack.
They don't own a patent on the jack or the layout. Therefore manufacturers do not have to pay an Apple tax to make a headphone for the Iphone.
Bring in the thunderbolt setup and the new Wireless headphone. Those they do have a patent on, and will receive royalties for their use.
johyongil ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:45:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can't really say "exclusive" when Windows and Blackberry still have earphone jacks. :/
paskabai ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:45:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But, it isn't exclusive. The dumb phones, and windows phones have it too
exu1981 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:45:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh lord lol
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:47:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
look at the stress relief on that cable, that's another thing apple completely fails on, could fix immediately, but just doesn't give a fuck
agk23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:48:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think having a universal plug for everything in the future is a pretty good direction to go towards. Sure, there's transition but there's always going to be that. I know I still hate having to carry around a VGA adapter because I never know when I'll need to hook up to a VGA-only projector.
If the world's top engineers could redesign every piece of consumer electronics from scratch, don't you think there'd be a single type of cable? Its not convenient at the moment, but I think it will be in the future
But that's just my $0.02.
krunkalunka ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:48:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That android is so hot right now. -mugatu
time4b ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:48:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apple got rekt
bonimy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:48:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Introducing the iPhone 8. We've managed to make the phone 0.1mm thinner by removing the charging port. You need not worry about needing to charge your phone. You can simply purchase a new phone, fully charged! (starting price $999) We will transfer all of your photos and apps to your new phone for the low price of $260.
AirmanZimm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:49:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apple makes reliable product that work. The thing that bug the shit out of me os how far up thier own ass they are. They act like every repolished feature is the grestest innovention since the wheel and people just buy into it.
I think it was a mistake to remove the headphone jack, but the wort thing is the design of the earpods. Those things look absolutely hideous. Tim said they were the first but Samsung released the IconX last month and other companies have put out earbuds for a while now
BakedAnswer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:49:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For Apples defense, Motorolas new phone does not feature a headphone jack either. Then again, Apple coppied Motorola ?! /s
SteroidSandwich ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:49:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kinky. I could watch for hours
rajjjjjj ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:50:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
False, I have an Android with no headphone jack.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:50:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
FYI Android phones eliminated the jack first. I'm not sure if courage was needed for them though
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:51:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.apple.com/shop/buy-iphone/iphone-7
Check what comes in the box
ThatAnonymousDudeGuy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:55:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I still can't charge and listen to my headphones at the same time. That's the only reason I'm upset.
dont_forget_canada ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:52:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm inclined to agree this is stupid, but I thought Apple was stupid when they were the first ones to get rid of the DVD drive.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ar_r2kE9Ej4
So I'm going to see how this all plays out. I bet in 5 years all phones wont have 3.5mms
arcedup ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:52:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have has a number of Bluetooth headphones over the years which suit me fine. I think the last time I used headphones for my iPhone was three years ago.
bmk2k ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:52:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are there any phones besides Blackberry that use their own OS these days?
Mel_bear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:54:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Saw a few endcaps at Target filled with bluetooth ear buds today, its like they knew.
pm_me_ur_metatarsals ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:54:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So erotic.
ninjaclown ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:55:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Relevant Bill Burr bit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3s-qZsjK8I
JpBonez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:55:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Looooooooool
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:56:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I enjoy the ability to walk around my house with my phone connected to Bluetooth playing music throughout the house. I enjoy driving my car and talking on the phone and listening to Music hands free with Bluetooth. I never go to the gym without my wireless head phones. (Duh) all my aux jack does is collect #1 dust #2 water. I'm so pumped for a water resistant iPhone.
shrubberynights ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:00:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I always listen to music hands free. I find my ears do a much better job of listening anyway, though.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:56:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm an Android user...but these days I'm loving my bluetooth headset, so no big deal in my view.
wharpudding ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:00:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're nice until I want to plug the phone sound output into the AUX jack in the car.
YaGottadoWhatYaGotta ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I get that, but I have 200 dollar headphones and this kinda thing should be optional...
Eh, plenty of other phones to choose from anywho...
therorshak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:56:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like this.
mhiser26 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:56:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tbt
ProbablyHighAsShit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:56:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Taking vertical integration to a whole new level. You gotta draw the line somewhere.
robloxdude420 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:56:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Motorola in a corner..
heyoitsben ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:57:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i dont get it, could someone explain this?
wharpudding ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:58:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your wired headphones/buds/speakers won't work on the new iPhones anymore.
heyoitsben ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:01:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
so we wouldnt be able to connect iphone 7 to cars anymore with an aux port? guess my next phone is going to be an android
wharpudding ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:09:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh come on, wouldn't you really rather be forced to have a new car stereo with bluetooth built in? It's only a lot more expensive.
heyoitsben ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
you right
ManamiVixen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:58:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The new iPhone 7 will not have a Headphone Jack. iPhone 7 will only accept Bluetooth headsets.
heyoitsben ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:59:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
wait, what? you cant be serious...
Diknak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:59:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apple just announced new iPhones won't have the headphone jack and not only are they going with bluetooth, but it's a proprietary bluetooth connection so you can't use the headphones with anything NOT Apple. Because fuck you customers, give us more money,
David2026 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:59:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The new iPhones do not have the standard 3.5mm audio jacks. No place to plug up your head phones.
http://www.theverge.com/2016/9/7/12758236/apple-iphone-7-announced-features-price-release-date
HarbingerDe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:00:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The new Iphone7 doesn't have a headphone jack, as a way to force people to buy their new wireless headphones.
jgame64 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:00:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apple axed the analog adapter on the iPhone, now you need to buy a converter to plug in old earphones.
Fnhatic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:57:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is especially ironic since Android just released an S7 update that enables the FM radio, which needs the headphones to be plugged in to act as an antenna.
So Android enables a feature that Apple had five years ago, while Apple removes it.
monkeypowah ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:58:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have officially given up on the big manufacturers, gonna buy a top spec Ebay special for 250 quid. Quad core, waterproof, dual sim, big freakin battery, not obsessed with stupid curved screens and wafer thinness. Just the stuff you want
Danbearpig2u ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:58:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Where's the explosion?
CrazyNaut ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:59:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Android has the courage to keep it the way it was
jshunt25 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:59:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love the internet.
amberyoung ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:59:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Lightning jack headphones suck too. God forbid you want to lay in bed, listen to headphones and charge your phone...
Terriblyboard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:59:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I really hope google comes out with a commercial making fun of apple for this.
FreeGage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:00:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Next is apples new macs with no USB ports
Hoch101 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:00:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just realized aux cords are useless for Apple users now
Chief_Givesnofucks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:00:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ITT: I've read the word jack so many times its not even a word anymore. Sorry, people named jack. And how did we start using the name 'jack' for a port anyways?
persimmon40 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:00:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is it that time of the year where we collectively shit on Apple?
Asimxo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:00:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shit
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:00:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just switched to a galaxy s7 edge just for the headphone jack. No regrets, it's a better phone by leaps and bounds. Thanks apple for making me switch.
Public_Potato ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:01:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Goteem
coolcool23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:01:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Truly a turning point in the mobile phone market. A revolutionary and defining feature to set them apart from the competition.
paulatreides0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not really. Apple is just the first company to force you to use head/earphones that don't use cables. Every phone company already has that capability and has had it for ages. The only thing that is "new" is that they are stripping you of an option you've had before without adding anything in exchange.
And this is especially troublesome for people who use their phones to store music - especially those with high-end headsets, as those are pretty much always wired, and they are wired for a very good reason.
coolcool23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:13:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/s
pillbinge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:01:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apple always does this shit. People make fun of it for weeks or months. Then they adopt it and completely forget.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:01:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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paulatreides0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:07:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
...people have already been able to do that for ages. Apple hasn't added anything by taking away the phone jack.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Play artist" is quite liberating.
Holdonavich ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:04:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Courage
ryderpavement ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:04:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
it will be one week before ebay is flooded with charging / aux port cables. relax.
HopDoc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't get it...what am I looking at here?
TrickyTaco ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wish there was reddit back in the floppy and PS2 days. Similar comments were certainly made...
dan-o07 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:07:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
well guess im gonna keep my iphone 6 for a long time, i use the headphone jack multiple times a day to plug it into my car.
Zme1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:07:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Really feeling good about this Android tat i got on my chest now, i remember when people laughed.. who's laughing now.
Good_Apollo_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:07:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
this should be marked nsfw
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:07:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
nsfw
alecyo12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:07:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I saw the new iPhone at work and I've had my current Galaxy s4 since 2013. I thought the jet black looked awesome and the new camera and I thought I was finally going to make the switch. Nope, apple always manages to fuck it up somehow.
here2be2see2thee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hahahahaha. My Note has that dope screen to watch movies on while my headphones (Sennheiser) are plugged in.
bhargavat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Basically forcing people to buy bluetooth headphones. I already own a nice pair with 5 hour battery life so I'm set. To everyone saying they want to charge and listen to music, I think you belong to a very small minority of people with that problem. I usually charge my phone overnight when I go to bed, so I don't need to do both.
xitzengyigglz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:09:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Context please?
b0nez07 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Am I missing something here?
TheHeroicOnion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I won't be getting a new phone until they start getting drastically different from the S6. Becuase the S6 to S7/iPhone 7 upgrade just isn't worth it because they're so similar.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is only an issue for people who don't have new cars or don't have Bluetooth headphones. For one, I never use the headphone jack or Bluetooth in my car for music. (2015 versa note) I've always used the lightening port. Which is great when people want to plug in their phone. Oops! I don't use a headphone jack, and my Bluetooth to call is set up to my phone. So. It reallllyyyyy doesn't bother me. :/
Dankey__Kang ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The big issue I see is the headphone jack locks into place. If my phone falls, I can catch it by the headphone chord. But the lighting jack is all wiggly and looks like it would just fall out.
Fnhatic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
The best part of these $160 AirPods is that you're almost certain to lose one of them within a month of purchase.
If you have a toddler, you're going to lose one in a week and find it on an x-ray.
If you have a cat, well, they won't make it a day.
Dcsaxton ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What about the android phones without headphone jacks. Y'all know android is a platform and not the hardware!!??
not_mantiteo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What will be a good alternative this fall? My 5 is starting to die. I like the nexus series but idk anything about Android...
BloodySylphy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:32:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck me omg
dav3f4nning ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:32:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love watching is slide into its place.
Wait, we are looking at the same gif right?
-___-___-__-___-___- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:35:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget about Blackberries!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:35:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apple said they will included a 3.5mm-Lightning adapter with each new phone, for now. Which defeats the entire purpose.
washheightsboy3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:37:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The entire purpose of what?
hanoian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:03:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"For now".
adichandra ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:36:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
old analog tech
dannyism ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:36:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Huh. Took me a while to get it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:37:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, the only reason I have an iPhone is because of iMessage. All of my friends and work contacts use it. If iMessage came to Android, I would sell my iPhone the next day. I'm so done with Apple.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:37:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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AthleticNerd_ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:43:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People want something to complain about. They want proof that Apple makes mistakes, or that andriod is totally awesome. They have to tear down something to raise themselves up.
The fact that they're making such a big deal out of this is kind of telling, that they're grasping at straws to find something to rage against.
RouseHouse1013 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:11:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/4sx2by/this_is_the_adapter_youll_need_to_plug_headphones/
Please tell me again how Android 'fanboys' are only bashing this because it's Apple after reading the comments in what I linked. Sounds like you're grasping at straws to defend Apple.
analpolyps ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:39:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Somebody explain for a plebeian such as myself.
Crunchycookiebutter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:40:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder who thought of the idea at the Apple HQ to take it out and only have the lightning plug-in. And I wonder who were the ones who fucking agreed to that idea. like What the fuck are you guys smoking
ShadowzI ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:43:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Propriatary hardware.
They were hoping that Apple customers will exclusively shop at Apple Store for hardware they might've bought else where...
That or companies will ask for the right to include a lightning cable in there headphones and have to pay a royalty.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:41:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
and windows phone
Autodrop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:41:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't get it...
Clap4boobies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:42:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Could someone explain what I'm looking at?
notathrowaway75 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:42:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For fucks sake can they stop fetishizing how thin their phones are and just make them thicker with a bigger battery, NFC, and a headphone jack. Seriously, if the iPhone 7 plus had a battery the size of the Note 7 (3600mAh), it would last for at least a couole days what with how optimized iPhones are.
cooltim ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:06:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And then the battery explodes in your pants.
Freeadvicefromdanet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:37:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did someone touch you inappropriately again?
Dakrturi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:43:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well Windows Phones exists... So not exclusive
onea17547 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:43:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yay ! Discovered the next cool word of the internet "Pyiyp" http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Pyiyp :) :)๏ปฟ
spockspeare ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:43:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Buy it for the cheap headphones. Keep it for the superior software ecosystem.
itshukokay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:43:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As an avid music/podcast listener, I really couldn't care. I haven't plugged anything aux into my phone in a long time. I know I'm in the minority for having bluetooth headphones, Bluetooth car, USB in the car and all that, but..
I think people will complain and people will forget. Androids will do the same. They gave you an adapter and more battery life in exchange, chill out. They're gonna sell millions of these and in 6 to 18 months no one will question this decision.
Freeadvicefromdanet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:35:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ken m said djs won't be able to spin records anymore.
itshukokay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:09:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Anybody who calls themselves a DJ who uses a phone to do actual work is not a DJ.
Freeadvicefromdanet ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:20:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So most of em?
itshukokay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:10:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can't even hate. Upvote for you
southernboyinwa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:44:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hjude ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:44:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Uhh... Windows Phone
TheBorgBsg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:45:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
'I'm with Jack, are you?" - new messaging to accompany this ideo.
VectorLightning ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:47:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What am I missing? I feel like an idiot but I have no idea why this is any different from plugging in any other speaker cable.
Mgmegadog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:50:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
iPhones are losing the headphone port.
VectorLightning ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:01:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat
Didn't Apple even invent that? Either way, whyyyyyyyyyyyy????
Seriously, what's going on here who makes up such idiotic ideas like this this is why I'm never switching to apple
Mgmegadog ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:09:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Wikipedia article doesn't appear to say. Apple did make some kind of port, but considering the jack appears to have already existed, I'd lean towards the answer being "no".
AngelicBastard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:48:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You got me :)
ocular__patdown ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:48:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What is happening here?
BlackSecurity ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:50:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can someone explain this please? I would go to /r/outoftheloop but i feel like they get enough posts about people asking "why is this on the front page" (myself included)
FORNATRON ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:51:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sooooo I work in an AT&T call center, from what I know you get the special apple headphones but they plug into the charger port. And obviously you can use Bluetooth as well
PowManiac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:51:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't have to be short term. I'm sure the adapter isn't going to go anywhere for a long time.
Kit76kat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:51:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do not forget windows ;-)
memnte ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:53:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry for my ignorance but what's the difference?
wh33t ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:58:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
New iPhone doesn't have a 3.5mm audio jack.
katewiches ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:53:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is this like iPhone porn now?
denislemire ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:55:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That off centred hole in your phone is infuriating ugly.
kryptt_official ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:55:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yo you just need to stop bro lol
Calkky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:55:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The hilariously said thing is that I switched to a Nexus about a month ago, and I've only ever used Bluetooth headphones on it. Haven't touched the headphone jack yet.
bigbubbuzbrew ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:56:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Apple don't know jack.
F4rtpickle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:56:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They are literally doing the same thing.
SzethSonOfHtezs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:57:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Moto Z doesn't have an aux port either.
magnora7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:01:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, I can plug in every pair of headphones I've ever owned? Sign me up!
Pao_Did_NothingWrong ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:02:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Am i the only one saying good riddance? Analog connections suck and fail all the time.
aero8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:03:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Moto Z anyone?
Tipharete7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:05:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Starts at $159.99
TheStrangeTamer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:05:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
this is like NSA Proof. No wonder apple removed it. Fucking Commies
Bigdirtygreek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:07:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
WHATTTT this changes everything.
GussyMakingFun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:07:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol
unnamed25 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:07:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Am I the only one thinking about that one commercial from GTA V that was like "It's time to dock" after seeing this?
WicksWicky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:08:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What about the Moto Z?
datking101 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:08:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But what about the moto z?
VanillaSkyHawk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:08:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks Google
Vesper42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:09:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, there are some Android phones that have already done this...
Is it too late for Microsoft to get into the market?
bryanna_leigh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:10:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol... I sure don't like blue tooth headsets. Also, I can hook up my audio chord in my jeep to listen to my music as well.
Whosyabobby ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:10:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For like three months...
ahairychest ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:10:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"My jack" -android users
VinnyM116 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:13:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My new Android doesn't have a headphone jack either (Moto Z Force). It did come with a free adapter though that fits into the charging port.
conanap ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:13:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
im so confused by this choice honestly. I use my ATH M50 + HD598 the most, their earpods sound absolutely horrible. Not only that, I travel a lot through out the day (i live in canada, my life is literally just commuting with a few hour of activities in between) and the phone absolutely cannot last the entire day. How the fuck am I supposed to listen to music and charge my phone?
No, I'm not buying the 10$ adaptor for lightning to headphone jack + a lightning splitter to put the lightning to headphone jack adaptor into that splitter so i can plug it all into my phone. Why the fuck try to fix something that's not broken (well $$)
fuck man. I really get stand android as an OS because I'm just super used to iOS, but fuckkkkkkk
edit: i'm not buying a splitter, lightning to headphone jack comes with the phone
facktotem ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:17:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
You won't need to buy an adaptor. In the Box:
conanap ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:18:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i still need to buy the fucking splitter though.
i-am-irrefutable ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:59:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
-refusing to buy a $10 splitter even though you just purchased/upgraded to a $1000 phone.
-refusing to buy a $10 splitter even though you can't fathom the idea of being without music for an hour or so.
you're definitely sticking it to the man, man! it's about the principles man!
ps. they're still selling the se, 6s, and 6s+ all of which comes with the 3.5mm. your phone is working (why fix it?). consumerism much?
conanap ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:57:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yeah i'm actually considering the 6s instead, but i'll wait til next year to see what's up.
to put it into perspective, just cuz i have 1000$ phone doesnt mean i think the 10$ is justified. I have to save up 4 years for a new phone, I'm a student who does way too much volunteering. I guess that's my fault for contributing to the society too much some times and skipping lunch 3/5 school days to buy a phone for a few years
and ffs, i really do not want to daisy chain dongles, it's ridiculously annoying
TheF0CTOR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:13:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
shinigamiorphan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:13:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Really fun and sarcastic ๐
softmetal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:13:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Android Does What Iphonedon't.
ErectileReptile6969 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:14:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There is no way I would ever buy a phone without a headphone jack.
chrondonald ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:14:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hit the rooooad jack...
NocturnalQuill ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:14:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Am I the only one who thinks that Apple's continued obsession with making slim devices at the expense of all other features? Slimming early bulkier smartphones made sense, but now they're more obsessed with being thin than an anorexic. After a while, it stops feeling better and even becomes detrimental to the design of the phone (phone bending)
RVelts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:15:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Am I the only one who literally never uses the headphone jack? I seriously don't think I've ever used it on my 6s which ice had for a year. Nor my 5s before that.
fzammetti ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:16:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't really have a problem with removing the port. I'm okay with going wireless.
But I have a HUGE problem with asking people to drop another $160 on top of the already exorbitant price of the phone to even be able to board that train.
That is, basically, everything that is wrong with Apple in a nutshell.
i_Fart_You_Smell ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:16:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly I've been using Bluetooth headphones for almost two years. I can't remember the last time I plugged something into the aux jack.
Cymen90 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:16:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am out of the loop. Is there something special about Android having a headphone jack?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:38:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apple's new iPhone no longer has a headphone jack.
Cymen90 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:17:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't buy it then? Apple drones are weird.
SocksElGato ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:17:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Would seriously be a good time for casual iPhone users to at least check out what Android has to offer. A lot of iPhone users feel so attached to that brand/device because they think it's their only choice. There are other options out there.
TurquoiseXWonderland ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:17:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apple played there selves
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:18:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love sliding my jack into a nice port. Mmmm yeah....
Yuki-no-Kage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:19:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
iPhone might as well put speakers on all 4 corners and call it surround sound.
gabokike99 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:19:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously considering switching to a Galaxy.
giny33 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:21:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah. Don't get samsung. TouchWiz is horrible. Get a nexus phone. Stock android is the way to go.
e10ho ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:19:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have never used the headphone jack on any of my phones. Maybe I'm weird but I just stick an ipod in my car and sync it over wifi. I have another ipod for listening to music at work.
alphasingularity ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:21:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
lil fucker
number__ten ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:21:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Windows phone has this. Had a 950 and currently a 950 xl. Both have aux ports.
gabokike99 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:22:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ok will look it up.
JAKEdotH ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:23:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everyones busting a nut about this but I mean the phone does come with a lighting to 3.5mm headphone jack adapter so it's not THAT awful. I am not saying it's a good idea, it's terrible, but still.
ForLoveOfBeer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:24:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Poor Windows Phone, always forgotten.
fran-co123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:24:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That nexus is sexy
_deedas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:24:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People that are not audiophiles, do you really still use that anymore? Really? The only time I use it is when I get that itch to listen to classical music and I put on the expensive headphones I bought on a whim one time.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:57:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do people not understand there are a shit ton of people who listen to music in their car and charge their phone while doing it? Do you people have friends?
vactu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:25:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apple should have gone USB-C.
WrenSC2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:42:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone should go to USB-C
Appdude13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:25:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't get this. Why is this funny? no troll, honestly confused...
omglikewoah333 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:32:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently Apple is realeasing iphones with no headphone jacks. Basically a scam to also purchase their $100 wireless headphones.
Appdude13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:57:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Holy crap...that's actually stupid...Thanks for the info :)
punktilend ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:27:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ANALog
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:27:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My B&O H8 are Bluetooth anyway.
kjazzy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:27:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This girl I'm talking to texted me today saying she is so done with today. So of course I ask her why? Expecting some work place drama or something of that nature she replies that the new iPhone won't have an aux port and so she has to buy a new car... I was dumbfounded. She is so wrapped up in her "iPhone lyfe" she never even considered, "Hey, maybe I don't need the new iPhone so I won't need to spend $30,000+ on a new car to make it work." She immediately thinks she has to have it without giving it a logical thought. I don't think we'll be talking anymore...
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:58:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apple changed the iPhones? Better get a new car and ignore the other options out there which probably have better specs and more flexibility than Apple
ThickDickVein ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:29:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apple has always been the leaders of nonsense.
sincerely-ironic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:29:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shade
johnnybiggles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:31:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
They seriously need to start working on bringing flip phones back. Incorporate these magnificent displays into some kind of collapsible protective casing rather than making it thinner & thinner. They're rapidly approaching flexible displays - they should R&D the hell out of that instead of this type of crap. I miss the days of hanging up on someone by clapping my phone shut (replaced slamming the receiver down on the home phone), but in all seriousness, I want a phone that fits in my pocket correctly and can ergonomically be held up to the side of my head with the mic in front of my mouth so I can hold a conversation on my phone that doubles as a computer/movie/music player, not a gigantic, flat piece of glass with a million adapters to make it work. Enough with these proprietary shenanigans and make these things practical again!
omanitztristen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:33:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I swear I heard the sound of the chord being plugged in the first time.
UsaraDark2014 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:33:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm throwing money at the screen but nothing's happening!
MagicDartProductions ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:33:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Windows phone has it too! Don't forget about us! We're still relevant.... Right....?
WrenSC2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:38:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
sadly no :(
killatubby ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:33:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And Window Phones
WrenSC2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:38:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
lol
killatubby ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:43:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
;_;
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:34:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would bet my third nut that someone is going to make a commercial making fun of this.
mreatsum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:35:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Windows phone has that feature too.
TiddlyDiddly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:36:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Android
ExclusiveExplosiveRobotJiz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:46:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Leaky batteries: AA, AAA, C, D, 9V, A few Tesla cars, a Dreamliner jumbo jet and a few android Tablets and phones. Companies who have made a $900 phone with a non working antenna?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:36:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For the low price of $159 all your problems will be solved though! What's not to like?
RobotJiz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:42:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The price and proprietary plug. C'mon Apple. Why not go with USB-C and ditch the lightning port. Is licensing that port out to other accessory manufactures making you that much money?
PhilTheStampede ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:36:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mmmyeah, do it again ;)
RadleyCunningham ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:36:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
this is a joke that can only get funnier the more it's posted.
toekneeg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:37:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I guess it's time to break out the Sidekick phones too!
wabojabo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:37:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What will Apple be selling in 20 years?
guthepenguin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:23:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The same phone they've been selling for the last 10.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:47:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The same phone
m7nd3w ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:37:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Motorola did it first
TotalFreedom420 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:38:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Great, I still need to be able to damage my phone by dropping it I the toilet, and I need to be able to fuck something. It's the perfect size, fuck you Apple!
Abbysmommy620 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:38:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/u/mastershake210
lionskeet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:38:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It seems I'd have a better chance getting struck by lightning than having a lightning charger cable last more than a couple months...
thechodd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:43:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thoroughly enjoy my wireless headphones. They sync up super easily, are comfortable, and sound just as good wired.
Digitalmonster7068 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:43:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't get it..
jlz45 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:45:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apple just announced new iPhone has no headphone jack
Digitalmonster7068 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:27:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck I'm dumb. Thanks
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:45:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sell your Apple stock while it still has value....
vdsw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:45:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just for kicks Android started supporting USB audio... ohhh.. two years ago. Too bad nobody had a parade for it then.
wishingyoukarma ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:45:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So simple. Take my money!!!!
metaknight95 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:46:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As an iPhone user, I can promise Apple I'll be switching to Android in a few months
phenomenon_99 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:46:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
NEXUS
lagspike ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:46:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
the iphone 8 will be a flip phone. calling it now. after all, touchscreens are so 2016.
Katella57 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:47:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
RIP iPhone.
girutikuraun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:49:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But what is the Moto Droid Z then?
tsnives ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:50:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mistake in a very interesting concept otherwise.
finally_not_lurking ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:51:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm wondering if the new Macbooks are going to do away with the headphones jack as well
walstibs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:52:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait is this real? How much is the adapter?
clovencarrot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:52:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Really jealous of a couple buddies who thought up [Apple Plugs](hytp://appleplugs.com) and created a brilliant little bit of satire along these lines.
baseline_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:53:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
auxclusive
Uscjusto ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:54:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My iPhone has that.
walstibs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:54:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I might actually switch
jaamzw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:55:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
not on my phone... moto z :/ once headphones use usb-c as a standard it will be nice. until then i hope i remember my damn adapter.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:57:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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droopyheadliner ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:59:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Remember when everyone lost their shit when Apple took away disc drives from MacBooks? Yeah...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:15:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
still sad about that.
droopyheadliner ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:50:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was at first, but years later I can't remember the last time I've needed or used one.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:04:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I use it daily. I go to my public library and they have endless music albums that I choose go home and upload them to to macbook itunes and have many songs and albums. It is free and legal, and fun thing to do. Sometimes I get albums from unknown and quite suprise at some albums something I will never get with digital either have to buy or torrent them. Also, when a friend lets you borrow his CD collection it is the best!
The_MessageMan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:59:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
HOW?
smurfybeatz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:01:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apple had such a head start on android, they're just to stubborn/bouji and won't give the people what they want. Features.
bassham ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:03:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
don't mind me i'm just over here beating this dead horse
-op
LazyDoper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:04:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
usb c is still better, that will get worn out so fast and become loose so it falls out
Whitey98 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:04:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They lack courage.
-greyhaze- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:05:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Instead of getting rid of the jack entirely, this would be a great opportunity to introduce a new Jack that provided far superior audio quality... People who are saying headphone jacks are outdated aren't exactly wrong...
SeKomentaja ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:06:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
What am I supposed to know here?Oh iP7.
junpark7667 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:07:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait... Samsung Gear IconX is almost exact as Apple Air pods, why are people grinding their pitch forks?
Is the apple air pods only compatible source of audio now? (In that case, damn)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:49:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
no, but they have a special chip set that is only available from apple a beats that ensures a rock solid connection. at least that is the promise of the w1 chip.
jonstew ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:08:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, iPhone porn is getting weird.
Captain_the_Obvious ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:09:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
and still water resistant.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:09:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a long time apple user and even I hate that feature. FUCK THAT. Unless they can make headphones, I ain't even touching them.
BEERpressure14 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:11:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So revolutionary
MrLRG ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:12:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As much as I agree with the fact apple is silly, they can get away with it. Brand recognition is basically the only thing that kept the iPad from failing, and now there is an entire tablet industry basically because apple taped 4 ipod touches together.
At least it comes with an adapter, supposedly.
...I still use a flip phone.
vanduzled ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:13:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This takes a lot more courage.
BrokeMike ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:14:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apple is still riding off Job's. How long Job's work fill keep them afloat is the question.
windog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:17:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Last time I heard that joke was in dinosaur times.
Meximan25 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:17:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Some phones already don't have a jack. Moto z
zomgtehvikings ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:17:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not much longer. Pretty sure a lot are gonna love to USB-C
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:22:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is great! I love the internet.
Snakeoilsage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:22:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The one thing people didn't complain about they take out.
grump313 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:23:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why does everyone here care so much about what phone a person has?
fluffykerfuffle1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:24:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
so would there be a wireless receiver, that you could synch with your iphone, that has wired headphones?
Harborcoat84 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:25:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I remember the GBA SP didn't have a headphone jack. That was annoying as shit using the adaptor with it.
Oreomaster42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:25:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh come on what about windows phones??? No? Okay
earless_chihuahua ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:26:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can't wait to hear my Android friends tell me what a disgusting, unintelligent brute I am for getting the iPhone 7+
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:28:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Great Jobs"
-Steve Jobs
flyyyyyyyyy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:28:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
sexy.
Mr_uhlus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:28:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't get it captain please explain
bryanrobh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:29:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Old tech
mad_kap ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:29:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't know you could be too ahead of your time when it came to technology. Aux ports aren't going to go outdated for a while yet, and apple is pretentious enough to sucker people into believing that they'll be the catalyst into this new "wireless" era, when wireless, in this case, means useless and incompatible with practically everything.
ChadArnette ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:29:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People need to speak with their wallets. Companies only get the hint when they lose money. Same for preorders or movies.
MathGeekWannaBe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:29:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
iPhone user since the second one came out. I didn't care much about no headphone jack seeing as longer battery and an extra speaker, but now, damnit you people are having me switch.
PrinceCharming0812 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:30:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
r/60fpsporn
WhySoSeriousness ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:30:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone's talking about slimmer. I think the idea was actually to push forward Bluetooth audio. They also came out with Bluetooth headphones today. Its probably a move to try and increase innovation in Bluetooth headphones. Cords suck. But so does Bluetooth. If it works, this could improve Bluetooth.
Autofleret ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:31:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Posts like these tell me just how many people have never heard of the Moto Z.
Kramer7969 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:34:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except the Moto Z.. http://bgr.com/2016/06/10/moto-z-force-headphone-jack/
incubus26jc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:34:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not my headphones that I'm mad about. I have Bluetooth headphones but what sucks is I use my aux port in my car and I'm not upgrading my car anytime soon.
seocurious13 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:40:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They are including a lightning to 3.5mm adapter though
metaljerk047 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:36:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Windows phone still have headphone jacks
triple_verbosity ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:38:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What'll be great is reddit's justification when Android manufacturers start killing the headphone jack in a couple years.
metaljerk047 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:38:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They should have the headphone jack but be allowed to use blue tooth headphones, so u don't have to buy more expensive headphones
D_Glukhovsky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:38:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Motorola is phasing out the jack, not long before samsung and others do.
bnx8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:39:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
JackOff
Jabullz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:40:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like how apple has always had music as one of their main platforms to advertise. Yet they had the shittiest headphone design ever. Now, with this, their trying to get rid of conventional headphones/ear buds that has the capability to sound better. Yet they still choose to use a shit design. It's honestly mind-boggling at this point. I guess they know that their followers will buy literally anything they market.
ClubGuadalajara1906 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:41:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't see it exploding
tdub117 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:41:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
CONGRATS! your technology has been selected for extinction.
SKmaric ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:42:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My family thinks I'm insane for thinking it's easier to listen to music on an Android since you just drag and drop rather than using a slow piece of bloatware to get music on it.
Time to show them this.
gandaalf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:42:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol this seriously will be the only reason I won't get a new iPhone, and I've had them since the 3s. I'm not spending a few hundred bucks to upgrade to a new phone AND THEN spend another hundred or so to get new headphones/earbuds
blindfoldedbadgers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:57:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You don't have to mate, basically the first thing they said after announcing that was "don't worry, you get an adaptor with your phone"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:44:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
History has repeated.
The first Android phone the HTC Dream, had no headphone jack. And Apple is doing the same with its iPhone 7. You needed a Mini-USB/3.5mm adapter for headphones in 2008. It was the same for the iPhone 2G.
I'm on a OPO which had 2 yrs of timely updates (4.4 -->6.0.1 for OPO)
HTC Dream
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:44:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like I'm going back to android.
greatunknownpub ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:46:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For now...
SweetSnowBalls ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:47:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol this new idea from apple is stupid
shakeshack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:48:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That non centered headphone jack though
kick_his_ass_sebas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:48:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
why not get rid of the battery life issue before making everything wireless? Seriously, Apple you are doing this the wrong way!
Rafbys629 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:49:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just wanted to say, technically, moto removed the headphone jack before apple did.
tacotouchdown14 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:52:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
here at Apple we say "if it ain't broke say it's obsolete, change how it looks and sell it again"
tightdawg56 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:54:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If it ain't broke, we'll fix it.
Sideways_X1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:54:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
With as much press as this is getting (plus I love my android everything and don't own any i-products), it makes me guess that in 10-20 years, if not less, we'll laugh about using cables to connect things
Fluffyrock8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:56:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exclusive?? But-but- Windows Phone! Yeah, they randomly reboot 25% of the time you turn Bluetooth off, so what?
;)
Giancarlo456 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:58:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cough..cough...Galaxy S7
stevenw84 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:58:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Motorola has removed this already, before iPhone.
incubus26jc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:59:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes but I can't charge!
kingfante ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:00:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Windows Phone have that too... My phone exists...
dcdttu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:00:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nexus 6P!
holdmydrpepper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:01:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Any apple is not the Droid you are looking for
aasci ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:01:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
look, we have the precious earphone jack! how rare!
Tinrobo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:03:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ue
meatwad1987 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:04:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've never been so aroused
chechenk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:06:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pants down.
bamavillian1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:09:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lmao hell naw
young_thung ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:11:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
R/techporn
Tobutch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:13:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What about Windows phones?
MemeReaper94 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:18:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Revolutionary
humantarget22 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:22:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I agree with you that not being able to use wired headphones while charging without some sort of dongle is pretty shit. But thAt isn't a product of the 3.5mm port being better than the lighting port, but the fact that there used to be two ports and now there isn't. If there were two lightning ports on the phone it would be a more fair comparison when it comes to deciding which tech is outdated (if either)
Some of you other points I dunno about. You say the Lightning port needs to be replaced more often, in my experience I've broken the 3.5mm jack on 3 phones, 1 old iPhone and 2 android phones. Not on my current phone, but I use wireless headphones and bt for my car now so I wouldn't expect it to be broken. I've never managed to break a 30-pin , micro usb or lightning connection, I assume because they are much larger which allows for better structural support around them. But maybe it's just luck.
You also mention in that list of reason why lightning is worse that lighting headphones aren't 'better'. Well, I guess that really depends on what you mean by better. If you mean sound quality then they can be better, or worse. It depends on how they are built. But they have a higher ceiling in how good the sound quality can be. If you take some of the headphones that can use either 3.5mm and lightning, for the most part they will sound better when using lightning. This is because everything is essentially the same except for one piece, the digital to analog converter, or DAC. Since good headphones would probably have a better DAC than the one built into the old iPhones 3.5mm jack the headphones will get a better analog signal. But this is also a double edged sword, because cheap headphones will probably include shittier DACs than the ones in old iPhones. And you have to pay for that DAC on each pair you buy. I generally buy mid-tier headphones and mine seem to last a long time so for me this isnt a big issue but I can see it being huge for others.
Another benefit of the lightning cable is that it can deliver power to attached headphones. Active noise cancelling headphones wouldn't need to include a battery, which means they might actually be cheaper if it was a rechargeable built in battery, or less bulky if it was a AAA battery thrown into the cord.
Lightning also has the ability to send information back to the phone. Headphones with heart rate monitors could send that data to the phone.
All these things also apply to USB-C which will replace the 3.5 mm jack on Android phones (that already started a month ago) and the really shitty thing about it is now we are going to have two different audio connections. And that really sucks.
To be clear I'm not saying that Apple made the right choice getting rid of the port. I'm just saying that the port is an old outdated tech, it provides less power, less options and newer digital ports can provide a better audio signal.
KlossN ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:40:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So the lightning cable is where the headphones go? That was news to me, in that case I'm fully onboard with this
BlytonRocks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:23:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is it water proof.
ignisnex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:29:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just had a thought. Does the thunderbolt jack output more audio channels? Can it do a native 5.1 or 7.2 experience? That MAY be a reason to do this whole removal of the 3.5mm jack business. Not a great reason, mind you.
gatf66 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:31:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Unless it's a Sony Z5, in which case it's just a storage port for my headphone jack....
mrennie25 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:31:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not on the Moto Z! Not having a headphone jack for a little over a month now, has only been incredibly frustrating twice.
joab777 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:32:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It has an attachment though correct? I'm about to buy an iPhone for the 1st time in years and I use the headphone jack to hook to my radio in my car.
blindfoldedbadgers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:44:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, comes with it by default
clockticker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:36:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One of few Reddit posts I cried over from how hard I laughed
Solidsnake00901 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:36:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love it. A true classic just like the usb port i dont see it going away for a very long time...
bafrad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:36:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
lots of people here are in for a reality check when others follow their lead.
brooklynscholar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:37:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was waiting for it to explode
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:39:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This reminds me of how Microsoft is advertising their Surface Pro vs the new iPad Pro. Basically just saying that they have basic features that Apple doesn't have.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:41:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I have left reddit for a reddit alternative due to years of admin mismanagement and preferential treatment for certain subreddits and users holding certain political and ideological views.
As an act of protest, I have chosen to redact all the comments I've ever made on reddit, overwriting them with this message.
andudud ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:41:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lumias too!
Lucarii ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:43:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Good thing I was planning on buying a HTC, under half the price and about as good as an iPhone 6
_Synesthesia_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:43:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Stockholm syndrome isn't free, what did you expect?
Smokey9000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:48:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Idgi?
fortalyst ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:48:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So does it charge wirelessly?
dukerustfield ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:48:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Droid
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:50:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The only reason to buy it is that its only $650 for 32gb.
PortalTester ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:55:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The new Moto Z doesn't have one .... So not Android exclusive. Manufacturer exclusive.
thekakewasgood ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:55:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah. I just got the Moto Z and it only has a USB type c port. No headphone jack. They pulled an Apple before Apple could!
sbowesuk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:57:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sooo, iPhone users won't be able to use headphones and charge their phone at the same time? That's lame if true.
Jmudge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:58:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had already planned to switch to Android in the next month for other reasons. This just reinforces my decision.
pcteknishon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:58:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
if we could could have live GIF's on a teeshirt........
TheChocolateStick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:01:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Guys.. There is still a hole to plug in your old headphones lookie here it's under audio
0912873465no ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:02:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Give it time, android will follow a few years later.
lamchopxl71 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:03:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All this talk about apple and I'm just sitting here with my Blackberry Priv.
LGG4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:04:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know a Nexus 5X when I see one.
KobKaze ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:10:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dat penetration tho
Puffy_Ghost ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:12:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously, wtf were they thinking?
JbbmTaylor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:13:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's almost like this all over again
WorldTechToys ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:14:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not for long. They will just get rid of it on their next phone and follow Apple just like they have always done
I_Like_Quiet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:16:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Beautiful!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:17:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't get it...
ThePessimisticLemon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:18:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apple removed the headphone jack from the newest iPhone (7)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:55:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Um, how are you supposed to listen to music?
AndOneOfThemCows ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:05:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yeah it took me way too long searching through the comments to figure out what happened. how do so many people know/care about the newest iphone?
McSmartAlec ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:17:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know. If this were iFunny, I would be insulting people and arguing left and right. I like you guys though.
Dino_Tom867 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:17:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a long-time android user...please don't start a mass migration from apple. Nothing good could come of that.
tagyro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:18:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Next years android devices won't have an audio jack :)
tagyro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:15:54 on December 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Predictable http://www.sammobile.com/2016/12/06/exclusive-galaxy-s8-is-not-going-to-feature-a-3-5mm-headphone-jack/
dorash ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:19:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Samsung should use this when promoting the S8.
ofrance ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:22:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone is so fucking stupid! $16. STFU
AUKEY Bluetooth Receiver, Audio Music Adapter with Hands-free Calling for iPhone, Samsung and More https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00O8FYUJA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_4lq0xbW0HJD08
Sicness91 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:22:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At least the iPhone won't blow up...
mikeisreptar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:26:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh Android and your antiquated technology. /s
1wsx10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:27:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The 3.5mm jack is a great example of "if its not broken, don't fix it". something fashionable tech giants don't care for.
pinky218 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:29:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Give it time and you will start to see Androids dropping it, some already have. I really dislike this trend of thinnest phone at all cost that manufacturers have been going for.
TuffGnarl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:32:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yup, always. Apple lead, pun intended, then slowly other companies follow.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:30:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lmao calm down y'all it comes with an adapter. Which is actually shocking coming from Apple
1wsx10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:27:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
having an adapter included is nice, but its nothing like having an in-built port. adapters make it more bulky for the plug to go in (especially in your pocket) and are a second point where it can be detached. this means more inconvenience when the cord gets tugged as you have to figure out which one actually got unplugged before proceeding. apple owns the lightning connector, and that means any headphone maker is going to have to pay licensing to apple (and also re-tool their machines to put the connector on) in order to have a set of headphones available for iphone7 users that don't want a bulky adapter that probably doesn't match their case.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:51:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The epitome of first world problems right here^
1wsx10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:27:32 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
it may seem like im nit picking, but thats how you explain good design vs bad design.
TacoOfGod ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:31:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Androids are losing it next year too.
drleephd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:33:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
not the ones I'm buying.
TacoOfGod ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:41:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just hope that it's not just mid tier phones that have them next year. For me personally, I only use beginnings headphones for porn and waiting in lobbies, so as USBC splitters exist next year, I'll be fine.
Regardless, I think ditching the jack is a bullshit move no matter how OEMs try to spin it.
drleephd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:49:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
interesting about USB-C to analog adapters existing. I Didn't know that was possible.
I never much considered the idea of eliminating the headphone jack-- I haven't noticed basic to mid tier phone designs that had to compromise much in order to incorporate a built-in 3.5mm jack.
To me, the whole issue reeks of lazy OEMs who ALSO don't care about their customers. The battle for market share in adroid phones is pretty competitive and I can see OEMs keeping the headphone jack for the hordes of people who still want one.
I very much prefer wired headphones to bluetooth.
moseymouse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:34:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Intel wanted to remove 3.5mm headphone jack too.
https://9to5mac.com/2016/04/27/intel-wants-to-eliminate-3-5-mm-headphone-jack-like-rumored-iphone-7-suggests-usb-c-as-replacement/
http://www.macrumors.com/2016/08/17/intel-usb-c-right-connector-digital-audio/
1wsx10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:24:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
to replace it with a non-proprietary jack
gettingassy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:42:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Windows phone too you bastard
Lumia 950 represent
MFG1986 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:44:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think they are a lil ahead of there time. Soon that will be acceptable. Unfortunately so many people have a ton of money into Beats headphones and other junk with the 3.5mm. Im a Android user BTW and hate Mac products.. First time Reddit poster.
1wsx10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:11:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ahead of their time? take a look, the phone is still much thicker than the 3.5mm jack. they removed it because they want you to either use a bulky adapter or get some headphones with their proprietary connector.
the 3.5mm jack has not been replaced over the years like other standards because audio is easy to do and it has gotten to the point where improvement just doesn't make much of a noticeable difference. there is no need for innovation here.
JinxsLover ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:48:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You have to pay more to get less -The Apple motto
BrianDawkins ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:49:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Aaand they'll still get out beat in sales
HappyPillz77 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:53:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sales don't determine the quality of the product. Iphones are still shit.
reasonandmadness ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:51:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Love antiquated technology, mmmmmm.
1wsx10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:06:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The 3.5mm jack is a great example of "if its not broken, don't fix it". something fashionable tech giants don't care for.
reasonandmadness ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:32:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You didn't see it as being broken. They did. Clearly, in the debate over analog versus digital, they prefer digital. That's a given at this point.
However, they also mentioned space being a premium inside the new iPhone.
Take a look here.
See that big white block in the bottom left corner? Ya, that's the analog jack. Notice the size of it? It's absolutely massive. Ya, that is free now on the iPhone 7.
That space may not mean much to you but to an engineer at Apple, that's a lot of space.
So in terms of the analog jack not being broken, perhaps you're right but in terms of Apple and their space problem, and moving ahead towards the future and improving their products, you can only do one of three things, make the components smaller, make the case bigger, or make more room on the inside by removing things which once mattered and no longer do.
They don't see a point in the analog jack and neither do I.
Now, with that said......... my only concern is how to charge the damned thing while listening to my headphones. If they didn't think that was important then we have an issue.
1wsx10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:46:37 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
im surprised they couldn't make that any smaller. and if they are making moves that remove accessibility as much as removing a worldwide standard then im also surprised they are sticking with that shape of case. i mean, they could fit more in if they freed up those corners.
also, in the debate of analog vs digital, its unnecessary for this use case. audio works fine as analog. you want to talk about the signal being distorted from induction in the wire, well its hardly noticeable.
๐๏ธ No_Tamanegi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:51:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit, RIP my inbox. Thanks everyone!
antsugi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:52:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
meanwhile, my LG G3 thinks there are headphones plugged in when there are not. This is after almost 6 months of a jack that would only recognize headphones when pushed at an angle in the port
1wsx10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:03:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
you are comparing a $300 phone to a $1000 phone.
antsugi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:21:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
$300 now, $700 at launch. And headphone jack tech was nothing new. LG just really failed with the jack on their G3 model
1wsx10 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:25:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ah fair play
oneEyedWinker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:53:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Soo sexy.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:55:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The iPhone 7 release has finally driven me from Apple, I would have left years ago but I have a maxed TH10 clash of clans account on the game centre that won't port over to android.
Even the specs, not much improvement in terms of performance, greater battery capacity however the phone requires more power to run the upgraded hardware and CPU so no real difference in battery life most likely... Now taking away a headphone jack so I have to use their shitty headphones or hope that Bose actually make wireless ones which are compatible?
This actually could be the long coming death of Apple. Android has so much more choice. In terms of performance and cost, the galaxy series outperforms the apple series every time. The Lumia series now has better performance than iPhones. There are a list of other android devices which outperform and they all use the same operating system. They're all compatible and you're not restricted to what you can install on them through some arbitrary market place.
My contract runs out March 2017 Apple and I shan't be remaining an apple customer, good luck over charging and ignoring your consumers over the coming years.
MrGalecki ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:01:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually as far as performance the iPhone always outperforms the competition. I just read the other day that the 6S still beats the Note 7 in day to day tasks. Anyways, im still with you on the headphone thing. Grrrrr.
NehEma ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:31:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Xiaomi phones are pure beasts.
Paddo_In_Wonderland ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:56:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Back to the good old these where each brand requires an adapter from their phone to a 3.5" jack. I'm a fervent Apple user, but this is a very stupid decision...
Scotho ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:56:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This reminds me of the ps4 ads when Microsoft was planning to make the Xbox one's disc games limited to one console
23569072358345672 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:59:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Firstly When you are talking about android you are talking about SOFTWARE. Secondly the iPhone is the SECOND phone to be without a headphone jack. The first was an ANDROID run phone.
Eedis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:15:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Still, fuck Apple.
NehEma ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:30:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And did that android phone sell well?
1wsx10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:40:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
artists license. they could have said non-apple exclusive but it wouldn't have the same effect.
i think everyone in this thread knows apple also has other phones that feature a 3.5mm jack
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:00:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ironic, since there are android phones even thinner than the iPhone, but still have the headphone jack XD
Headphone jack should only be removed when phones are ACTUALLY thinner than 3.5mm
CubeXombi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:06:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure the female 3.5mm jack could be re worked to be thinner on one axis, open on one side with a 'c' shaped "recessed" jack that standard plugs 'click' into horizontally, rather than insertion.ยฉยฎ
NehEma ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:30:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or why not use 2.5mm jacks?
(This is a question, not sarcasm)
CubeXombi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:24:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That'd require an adaptor or new headphones, the hope would be that this doesn't need to make you have "something else" between your crazy expensive headphones and phone; adaptors get lost. 3.5mm is already a standard plug, it's really just the socket that could use an overhaul.
1wsx10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:37:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yeah, that or it could still go in the normal way, and be as if its chopped off on both sides. the parts that actually connect only need to connect at one point. i think that would be less susceptible to wear.
CubeXombi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:27:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
only worry there *(and i thought of that way too) would be now there's a chunk missing from the phone, a void while the headphones aren't plugged in, with a "c" shaped receptacle on the back you don't eat into screen real estate.
1wsx10 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:16:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
eh, its fine. just cut a whole in the screen.
no one will notice
mradamsilver ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:01:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
iPhone is behind in technology by a few years.. So android has much more exclusive stuff lmao
dwelement ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:05:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except android(google) has no control over this for other phone manufacturers. Most of you morons probably think Android is a phone manufacturer.
Inthedunny ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:09:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hilarious...they will do what they want and people will follow because their friends on Facebook will gush about how great it is without the old headphones and aren't these ones better!...fucking eye and fingerprint scanning..Jesus Christ why? iCrap should concentrate on that piece of shit iTunes and make that a bit more friendly first.
TheRealCJ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:11:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol at all the vaguely pro-apple computers getting guilded. Who said apple fanboys have more money than sense?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:11:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The most amazing part to me was when he said "it will allow us to make the iPhone thinner" and then proceeded to reveal an iPhone that wasn't thinner...
I'll stick with android ty.
Haduken2g ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:16:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Praise DuARTe
ShadowzI ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:21:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
General market: We're going to slowly migrate and create usb type c headphones.
Apple: Lol... We'll do our own thing and we'll skip right to the jack instead of just starting with the headphones
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:22:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm honestly probably going to switch to Android once my contract is up... It's so annoying seeing all these awesome android phones, even non-flagship ones with new features, then Apple trailing behind like a sullen preteen saying "I don't want to do what everyone else is doing!" and refusing to implement features which have become standard in every other phone.
Red23UK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:25:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I use bluetooth headphones with my Android phone, works like a charm!
1wsx10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:08:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thats nice, but its also compatible with almost every wired consumer grade audio device on the market.
The 3.5mm jack is a great example of "if its not broken, don't fix it". something fashionable tech giants don't care for.
masteraddavarlden ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:26:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Someone explain, I really want in on this
KidCoheed ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:32:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apple announced they are doing away with Headphone jacks on the Iphones infavor of wireless "airpods"/headphones as well as a lightning jack to headphone jack converter piece.
So now built in Headphone jacks are "exclusive"
DrLawyerson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:35:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
$159 "ear pods"
doubleUsee ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:33:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The new iphone doesn't have a headphone connector anymore.
kabanossi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:29:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The aim for that jack took a lot of precision!
coffedrank ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:37:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
lewd
mjselvig ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:42:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hasn't Motorola already announced a phone with a USB-C port only?
deed02392 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:49:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seems like lots of people have forgotten Apple bought Beats headphones. Any day now a new line of beats headphones with native lightening connector support will be announced.
ijui ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:51:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have been an iPhone user for years, and this is the thing that will get me to change. So lame. F post-Jobs Apple.
LarryMyster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:52:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly why I don't use garbage Apple products. Their only for people with a huge wallet because those people rely on things to do things for them.
Venrexx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:53:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, Apple pretty much shot themselves in the foot with that stupid move. Seriously, who the hell would prefer a phone without a headphone jack for the sake of slimness? (extreme fanboys aside)
5N1P3R447 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:01:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
why not take the jack from the ipod too ?
Sheriff_K ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:05:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No but seriously, on the iPhone 7 thing it said we'll use headphone from a usb port.. But the iPhone doesn't have one?! o_0
FriedhelmBecker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:06:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To the people complaining: Yes, I also drive a car that has a 3.5mm Aux jack. Yes, I also use headphones with a normal cord.
But look 10,20 years into the future. I doubt there will be any cords left by then.
Gameghostify ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:09:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like everytime they want to go Forward, they just do something other phones already have done for years but then Charge dou le the amount and go one Step back by removing a necessary Feature.
Did I already mention these cost $1000 and up?
Otter_Lord ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:10:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like I'll be holding onto my iPhone 6s for a while....
slyfoxninja ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:12:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Until Samsung does it too after Apple moved it to the bottom.
playr_4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:12:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Someone explain this to me.
oldwotshisface ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:16:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It just works.
turbodude69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:17:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
the moto z didn't have one first :-)
Slots_Full ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:20:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ooooops X10.
nbagamer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:27:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Samsung: "Just don't wear headphones whilst charging your phone"
AxeellYoung ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:27:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except that some Android devices have already also removed the headphone jack. Like the Moto Z and some Chinese manufactures
Enlargedbobkat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:34:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck you windows phones
OfficialDatGuyisCool ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:39:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
somebody's forgetting windows phone
robbiekhan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:55:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably better that way. My 950 serves use as an expensive wireless hotspot :p
hinote ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:45:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do people not realize that all iPhone 7s come with a free adapter in box? Has anyone read the entire highlights for the iPhone 7? Or just stopped at the line that said "no 3.5mm jack"? I know it sucks, but people are reacting like my old headphones wouldn't be usable.
LaXandro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:47:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Windows Phone is a thing, too! >_<
Ewoud2001 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:50:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nerf this!
DaDavidoof ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:54:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just leave this here
metaphysicalcustard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:58:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Windows Phones still uses headphone jacks...
Not that anybody cares
robbiekhan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:02:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Personally I'm not bothered by this. It's not like all phones won't have a 3.5mm jack for those with high end IEMs that want one. Plus, audiophiles often have matchbox DACs for the headphones, so USB to DAC with 3.5mm and you're sorted if you're on Android if the big players make the same move.
I use apt-X capable bluetooth earphones having recently sold my Sennheiser IE80s. The quality is really excellent and I enjoy the cordless freedom. I think if Apple supported apt-X on the iP7, then this would be an even smaller issue, because high quality bluetooth earphones with mics for call handling can be bought for as little as ยฃ30 here.
But Apple don't want to pay CSR the license/compliance fees I guess. It also means for users wanting high quality lossless audio transmission, they will need to buy Apple's wireless buds for ยฃยฃยฃ as opposed to third party ones with equally exceptional audio quality, but for far less.
Virtually all OEM Android phones support apt-X for bluetooth. Nexus devices do not. I am hoping the new Pixel phones do, though... Not getting my hopes up.
sacherich ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:11:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exclusive. So Windows phone doesn't have this?
Asoxus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:28:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Windows phone doesn't exist
UPRC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:14:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When it comes to smartphones, Androids and iPhones are Coke and Pepsi while Windows phones are Canada Dry Club Soda. Everyone forgets that it exists and nobody particularly wants it just because it's Canada Dry Club Soda.
iiJynx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:18:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
r/madlads
TimboSlice083 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:20:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I use bluetooth headphones anyway. And if I don't, I use the headphones they give you with the phone. I'm immune! And if I ever did decide to go back to a 3.5 they included an adapter.
Technically_Aquaman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:23:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The new Moto and HTC phones don't have headphones jacks either.
kongclassic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:29:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Its a ploy they are going to make this one really shit then make the next one the best yet.
Gezeni ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:45:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I saw the AirPods, I heard what I wanted to hear and thought they were called AirBuds.
Michael_Aut ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:48:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is this the end of the ipod touch? I can't imagine apple being naive enough to push a fucking ipod without a headphone jack.
curlymarshall ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:49:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The iPhone7 user will gonna love and miss that
Faasos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:54:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Damn thats fancy
shifto ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:55:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My Windows Phone has this as well! :(
WiseChoices ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:04:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Quite a selling point.
renasissanceman6 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:10:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
1980s exclusive!
randomguy3993 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:14:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait! Dont people realise that Moto Z was the first phone to ditch the headphone jack?
originalread ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:28:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey now. My windows phone has this feature as well.
nitro1122 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:34:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ha
MegaDan32 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:35:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And Windows Mobile.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:00:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah except for that Droid collection at Verizon. Moro Z and Z Force don't have a headphone jack and people are okay with it.
Brutl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:10:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Windows Phone, Blackberry....hey, we still fucking exist.
Zebleblic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:17:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Two phones ago, my HTC phone didn't have a headphone Jack. It had a special set that went into the charging port.
23569072358345672 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:40:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hardware! Not software. Android doesn't manufacture chips for nfc
jamesjimmy23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:56:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's happening on Android too. Moto Z doesn't have a headphone jack and there are a couple others as well. It's just not the best selling phone in the world that got rid of it.
osamasbinlaggin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:11:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What about the moto Z? It had no headphone jack before apple.
MineCraftDance ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:13:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
xD
cs-777 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:28:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Windows 10 Mobile...
slax03 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:50:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why wouldn't you go with both the headphone jack and the new technology? For at least one Iphone model? If this new proprietary Apple headphone thing is so great, people would gravitate to it and it would get rave reviews.
Forcing something on consumers that they don't want will not go over well.
paulens12 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:37:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There is no new technology :) There is nothing proprietary. They will just have a handshake that prevents any non-Crapple headphones or adapters from working, which was impossible with the jack. Simple as that, they just want to suck your money. If you knew something about audio, you would understand that there is no way, even in theoretical level, to create better audio with these things than what you can already have with something like FiiO Q1.
slax03 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"...prevents non-Crapple headphones or adapters from working... they just want to suck your money."
This is the literal definition of proprietary trademarked technology.
I have a solid understanding of audio as a video professional. What's with the talking down to other commenters for?
paulens12 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:12:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, a proprietary technology must first be different than non-proprietary technologies. This one is not a new technology. In fact, it's not a technology at all. They don't have a specific technology there. They still use the same lightning bus as they used before. Removing the headphone jack doesn't make it a "technology". It's just a money-sucking gimmick.
slax03 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Lightning is a proprietary computer bus and power connector created by Apple Inc."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightning_(connector)
paulens12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:07:21 on September 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes but PCM audio isn't proprietary.
slax03 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:25:37 on September 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No one is talking about PCM compression and you're 5 days late to this discussion.
paulens12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:44:25 on September 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't blame me for not spending my whole life in Reddit.. I'm not as spoiled as some others here :D
But then, what are we talking about? Can you explain it better? Or are you just picking on my words because you have nothing better to do with your life?
slax03 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:26:57 on September 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We're talking about the physical lightning port. It's a proprietary Apple development.
paulens12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:03:45 on September 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ok then let me correct myself. There is no "new proprietary Apple headphone thing". The lightning connector has been around since forever, and nothing has changed now. It's still the same connector. And even if they had a new connector special for these headphones, it still wouldn't improve anything because sound quality doesn't depend on the digital bus except additional noise, which is inavoidable in such a small device, even with the fanciest of the fanciest connector that can fit there.
slax03 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:21:59 on September 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're nit picking at tiny details of what I'm typing. You're actually agreeing with my original comment and you don't even realize it.
paulens12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:07:05 on September 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol, I really don't see a way to understand it in any other way. You can explain what you meant if you want. But I doubt that will change anything. You don't know what you're talking about, and that doesn't equate to a tiny detail in any way.
slax03 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:31:23 on September 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Who the fuck mentioned PCM? You brought up something never before mentioned in this thread and are now telling me I don't know what I'm talking about. You're having an entirely different conversation all together.
paulens12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:27:39 on September 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well then why don't you make yourself clear instead of resorting to swearing? PCM is used for transporting the audio, and it is the only thing that influences sound quality before DAC. They don't have a new PCM standard, so nothing new here. There is absolutely no wqy, neither theoretical nor practical, that iShit 7's sound is any better than iShit 6, when using the same DAC, amp and headphones combo.
slax03 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:05:52 on September 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At no point in this comment thread has there been a discussion about sound quality until you brought it up. At this point I didn't know why you're replying to any of this, you're having your own conversation about PCM while I was talking about a different way of rolling out the 3.5mm Jack-less iPhone. I was talking about a better marketing plan and slower move to roll out a headphone jack-less iPhone and you're talking about PCM. What more is there to say?
paulens12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:40:02 on September 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You were talking about it being somehow "better". The only way it could somehow be better that I know of is sound quality. Do you know anything else? Because for me, the only thing that matters in audio is the quality.
slax03 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:07:25 on September 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I meant it as "better" according to Apple and not regarding sound quality but "better" as in your daily usage.
Most of us understand the benefits of cordless headphones but all here realize the problems they create will outweigh the benefits.
paulens12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:31:57 on September 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eh... I was just saying that you can use the same kind of DAC and wireless headphones on iShit 6 and 7. There is nothing "new" here. The only thing that is new is the lack of a headphone jack with built-in DAC/amp, but otherwise it's pretty much identical. So, this move does NOT create any benefits at all. Only problems. Because they removed something but didn't add anything new.
So I was referring to PCM to explain that there is nothing new here. The same lightning connector, the same PCM, the same Bluetooth. Same everything. Except there is no headphone jack.
slax03 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:13:31 on September 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ok I got it, we are in agreement but you're still trying to find something to disagree about.
paulens12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:14:33 on September 19, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, we're not in agreement. You implied that there's some "new proprietary Apple headphone thing". There is none. That's all that I'm trying to explain. Why is it so hard for you to understand?
izzfoshizz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:05:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
NOW THAT'S COURAGE
loose--cannon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:54:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is all you need. makes any wired headphones or car stereo with an audio input wireless. DAC is better than the one in my phone so sound quality is better and louder than phone jack. https://www.amazon.com/Mpow-Bluetooth-Receiver-Streambot-Hands-Free/dp/B00MJMV0GU/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1473364157&sr=8-3&keywords=bluetooth+receiver
Raized275 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:29:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Look!!!!!! An attachable cord for your wireless headphones....Fucking Brilliant!!!!!!!!!!
Jeush_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:31:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, Bluetooth has huge capability if done right. More than the analog port that is. But I was actually referring to the change of the analog port to a digital one. The analog port is NOT perfect as previously mentioned, and has a lot of room for improvement.
metallaholic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:10:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but look at how much room that hole takes up
henrikose ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:12:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't you think it all have something to with making the phone a bit more water resistant, without have an inconvenient rubber plug?
However. Sony has managed to make pretty water resistant phone with an audio jack, without have an inconvenient rubber plug.
leiurameshi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:32:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Orgasmic.
BadJuju8274 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:42:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apple
_deedas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:52:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah and that's also done through the Lightning port if you have a semi new car and upwards. My car stereo gets the music off my iPhone or android if you have one of it's USB port which also charges the phone. Charging is pretty slow but it gets the job done.
Bluecrown_Original ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:04:27 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually I'd like to point out that this is also something my Windows Phone actually has ;D
bobnobbinhobthegob ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:30:48 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a nexus 5x!
ericgtr12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:28:19 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I posted this at MacRumors and they locked the thread and moved it to their "Wasteland" forum. That's how touchy they are about anyone who doesn't conform to their fanboy club.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:29:12 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh no. I have to leave the adapter that comes with the phone on my aux cable. My life is in shambles.
westoneng ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:24:07 on December 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow what a game changer!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:49:51 on December 19, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So many android fanboys in this thread
YOLO_POTATO2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:21:14 on December 29, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No way!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:15:07 on January 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
lol not anymore
djcodeblue ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:13:36 on January 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One day, these 3.5mm headphone jacks will be absolutely meaningless for us and will be a nostalgic feeling to look at just like how we see our old serial ports now. These changes can't be made unless if a first move is made in the market. There is no "perfect time". I can't wait until the day that we stop seeing this 3.5mm BS and people are moving onto different things to pick on for no reason.
ArdentGamer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:33:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In this age of bluetooth and waterproof phones, I can certainly see a good case for removing this jack from phones entirely. It makes sense.
gh1993 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:34:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's fine, now wireless will be the new standard and they'll be able to get price down to $20 a pair.
gibertot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:58:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
but have ypu owned a wireless pair of headphones if you use them as much as me its just a pain to charge them all the time and syncing with bluetooth is still a bitch i just want to plug it in and thats it
homeboi808 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:53:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The syncing for the new wireless AirPods (they use a new iOS only codec besides Bluetooth, though they also support it) is super cool, you literally just open the wireless charging case, and now it's instantly(after you confirm it) paired with all your Apple devices.
Spacecommander5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:13:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You have a logical way about you.... you are outnumbered here
tree-of-tree ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:33:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Droid Moto Z user here! My phone is Android based and has no 3.5mm headphone jack. It is super thin without any of the Moto mods on it.
kharris8887 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:38:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No sorry - go away with your facts and pinpointing how that phone did it first. You're ruining the Fuck Apple circle jerk right now. Bring on the downvotes.
RouseHouse1013 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:43:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/4sx2by/this_is_the_adapter_youll_need_to_plug_headphones/
And people hated that decision too, dumbass. Stop acting like a martyr. You're arguing about a phone.
TheBlueBadWolf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:39:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apple are a joke.
Spacecommander5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:01:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your grammar are a joke
LifeSaTripp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:58:28 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bluetooth also built in! TAKE UR PIC!
Tevlev14 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:29:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What's the benefit of NOT having a headphone jack on your phone, apple?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:48:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So that they can push out proprietary headphones (called airpods) which they can sell at a premium because that's the only headphones that work
ffstriker ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:13:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Any Bluetooth headset works. Also, lightning headphones were already a thing before this
trueluck3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:29:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Username checks out
homeboi808 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:55:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's now water/dust resistant, though the Galaxy is an their jack is sealed.
Barbwire_cake ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 01:17:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They say it's for making it thinner =/ I hope Apple crashes, they overcharge everything and steal everything. If anyone innovates on their designs they sue them.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:30:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Who would even choose thinner over battery life and a headphone jack?
jesse9o3 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:42:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The same morons who buy anything with an Apple logo on it.
BilllisCool ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:55:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They didn't say that. The phone will be the same size as the iPhone 6.
Barbwire_cake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:44:38 on September 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry about the late reply, just wanted to miss the wave of fanboys. Just look at any news website as to why they removed the headphone jack. Many say it's probably to make a thinner iPhone.
gibertot ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:54:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
being thin. arent phones small enough like size is no longer an issue ever since the iphone 5 i do not care if its thinner
Mezujo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:00:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We have thinner phones in China that have a headphone jack so that's a bs excuse as well.
BilllisCool ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:54:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This phone will be the same size as the iPhone 6.
heinzbumbeans ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:10:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
does anyone remember when phones didnt have headphone jacks as standard and each brand had their own special headphones and what an unnecessary pain in the ass clusterfuck that was?
Vitztlampaehecatl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:22:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not true, Windows phones have this too.
...Or they would, if anyone bought them.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:27:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Its perfect, quasi-idiotic, corporate think. We have a large, loyal fanbase...how can we get more money out of them?
That's all. Probably a mistake as it should cause people to not buy their new iteration...but if they do...fucking everyone (under X age) needs headphones. Our civilization has issues.
Gk5321 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:28:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't really like this decision but I wonder how long until they either bring it back or every company follows along. Innovation right
Futuramafryday ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:28:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm just so happy that Apple made this terrible decision.
Lets put those bitches out of business!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:28:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow. such an innovative design!
iLLushy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:29:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I heard the iPhone 7 is coming with an adapter so we will still be able to use everything with a Jack
ohsnapzombies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:29:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I give Samsung a year before they do it.....that's after they run several commercials condemning it.
sixfourtykilo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:30:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
so... this doesn't just affect headphones. don't most mobile device card readers plug in to the headphone port? are there any lightning port models out there today?
homeboi808 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:57:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Square already has a wireless reader that accepts NFC and chip. Besides using the adaptor, the companies may make a Lighting-based connection model.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:38:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'll be honest. In technology whenever something crazy is done, if you look hard enough there's a rational reason for it. And it makes sense.
But this time, it doesn't. Hell, even if Apple's reason was "removing the headphone jack allows us to make the phone thinner" it would have worked. But they didn't do that, the phone is still the same.
I think it's just for marketing/pretentiousness. Removing the headphone jack gets people talking, it's "out-there" and generates waves.
And yes, it could also encourage more sales of bluetooth headphones. Like the Airpods, or the Beats wireless collection.
Those are pretty much the only rationalizers I can think of. And both are fairly weak.
I am reminded why I dislike certain Apple things.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:06:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:10:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't use any of those things at all. I don't use a disc drive either. But an aux-input I still use regularly.
I can see that they're trying to usher in an era of "bluetooth only" headphone usage. But it seems misguided.
Wilikersthegreat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:39:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not even the fanboys can get behind this one.
RouseHouse1013 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:03:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Some are trying pretty hard to ITT.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:45:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't seem like it will affect me either way, so not sure why I need to defend it.
theterrible0ne ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:41:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If we could JUST get the floppy drive back..
loschuk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:41:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've dropped my phone after snagging my wires a handful of times. I'm ready to cut the wires.
Iamchinesedotcom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:45:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bluetooth master race!
PWNbiWanKenobi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:45:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a New Yorker, I lose my headphones constantly, and use them daily. Bodegas sell cheap knock offs for 5 bucks which always come in handy in a pinch. But... not for iPhone users anymore I guess. There are just so many things wrong with this idea.
wmd2009 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:49:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Gonna make the switch I think... Any ideas how to get my music off the cloud? That's the only issue I can identify.
fine_peass ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:49:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They can always go back. They can release one next year WITH the iphone jack if it was that bad. So essentially they have one year to see how stupid their plan is. Heck they might even add it back in as a "NEW FEATURE".
Sharkey311 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:49:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Until everyone else as always follows suit and removes the headphone port.
gibertot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:52:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i hate wireless headphones one more thing to charge
final566 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:29:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
^
jlu97 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:55:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
W I N D O W S
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BearFashionAddict ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:58:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought overall the iPhone 7 looked pretty cool.
WateryCartoon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is #1 front page. Let that sink in
Manqazwsx1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:17:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The only thing Apple has over android is a cleaner more "pretty" interface. Although even that is a long shot after phones like the newest Nesus' and such. Apple is going to fall soon, I promise.
mimbo757 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:33:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Folks have been promising that for years.
Manqazwsx1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:52:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just kinda think about it though. Do they really have a leg up on competition at all anymore? A lot of the die hard iPhone users I know are starting to see right through the BS.
mimbo757 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:00:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think they ever did tbh. Apple today isnt all that different from four years ago in regards to their products. Some people buy them as they consider them a premium product, some buy them for their ease of use, some are invested into the apple ecosystem or whatever. I'm a technical guy, has worked in IT, etc and I just enjoy the phone for what it is. I'm no Apple nut, I love my surface book and only use Windows computers, but my iPhone has always been more than sufficient. I've tried android on and off, but I always end up just trying to tinker the phone to work more like my iPhone.
It's just that Apple had diehards never cared and folks who just wanted an easy to use and reliable product don't care either. My mother and mother-in-law don't care about "the bs". They're used to what they have and will continue to purchase iPhones. Most people will.
trueluck3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:18:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Good riddance. Haven't used that thing sense Jaybirds were released, and I'll probably get those sweet AirBuds when my current Jaybirds die. Not too mention the superior audio quality of the DAC to lighting headphones.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:18:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apple, forcing you to carry an adapter for fucking everything just so they can have a product that is 0.1mm thinner or 1 ounce lighter than the competition.
holyarmbladez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:32:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
honestly going back to android solely because of this reason
hosemaster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:32:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
r/Androidcirclejerk is leaking. Fuck, I'm old.
CallMeAladdin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:33:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I will be so upset if this disappears from Android.
Get_____Fucked ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:35:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What the fuck was apple thinking?
AllMitchedUp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:35:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So we're just going to go on pretending the phone doesn't come with an adapter for you people that insist on resisting something new? That's cool.
Our new phone looks just like the last one but with some internal upgrades! Fuck you Apple!
Our new phone is quite a bit different and features new technology! Fuck you Apple!
Already bored of this.
Freeadvicefromdanet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:50:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know right? The battery lasts 1 hr more. Also the headphones last 5 hrs. So that's now 6 hrs longer.
Dogebolosantosi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:38:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They removed the headphone jack, yet the iPhone is still the same thickness.....Innovation
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:38:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
so wait.. there is an adaptor that comes with the phone so you can still use the headphone jack.. wtf is apple doing
JossiHP ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:39:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, bulky, low quality and outdated. Congrats!
IamNICE124 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:42:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, goodbye apple lol.
DerpMcStuffins ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:48:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget Windows Phone!
*crickets
Guys?! Guys?!... guys?
Mrfrunzi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:48:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Archaic design in a world no-one wants. Be brave! #courage
SwedishFish123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:51:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At least my phone won't blow up.
WillCallahan94 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:53:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think this is Apple's biggest mistake. No one cares if the phone is getting thinner.
wh33t ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:59:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No way. Apple fans will eat this shit up. They are determined to have Apple everything.
SMELLMYSTANK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:55:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Now all Apple users have left to do is call you poor and mad. And somehow they'll win by advertising to simpleton minorities that want nothing but a status symbol. I really want to be proven wrong.
DarkestKnight730 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:59:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's advancing technology. Every car that comes out has wireless capability. Wireless headphones are huge. Wireless charging is a huge push. Apple is trying to force technology to take a jump that it's been eying up, but doesn't want to take. I use the headphone jack to plug into my car, but I would be an idiot if I didn't see its inconvenience. I have used every iPhone since the 4, every galaxy since the 2, every LG since the G2, every Nexus since the 4. Apple is trying to force technology towards a wireless future. And I love it.
leifeday ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:01:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well Androids just aren't courageous enough then /s
jontheboss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:01:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This thread is a one-sided mess... Why is everybody so surprised? This is what Apple does and always will do... They're always the first to get rid of older technology that everybody is comfortable with, but then everybody eventually follows in their footsteps. It happened with the Floppy Disk, and more recently the CD drive... And is everybody still mad at them for getting rid of their own old 30-pin chargers? They take so much heat for stuff like this, but in the end it gets better for everybody as a result.
The real poor decision from Apple is that they're still holding onto their proprietary lighting port instead of using USB-C... If they made the switch to USB-C for the iPhone, it would almost immediately become ubiquitous since so many companies want to use it and are already using it as the standard port for the long haul.
Ishmaelstrom ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:03:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
so what is that new technology which is better than the industry-standard 3.5 jack outlet?
jontheboss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:14:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same story with the CD drive - they're not exactly adding a new replacement, just dropping the older technology... In the short term it saves them space to keep their devices compact which we know they like to do... But from my perspective it promotes the alternative technology. The CD drive was dropped and it helped the growing cloud storage solutions. The headphone jack is dropped and it will pave the way for more versatile connectors... Headphones with digital connectors can allow more custom controls to software which you cannot do over an analogue port.
But again, switching to USB-C would have been perfect timing after dropping the headphone jack... That would've made up for it by a long shot and let everybody know that we could long forget headphone jacks and lighting connectors. But I guess I can see them maybe wanting to spread those out... But I am convinced lighting connectors have only a year or two left until we finally get to all use the same port.
Ishmaelstrom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:41:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
USB C? that would actually increase the production cost so apple wont do that
its much easier to sell a 20 year old technology like its new to the apple fans.
GoodLuchaThing ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:31:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're not trying to advance anything in this case, they are trying to push their proprietary tech and make bank off of their new headphones. That's it.
jontheboss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:19:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They would have been making bank on new headphones either way... In fact, probably more so if they were selling new headphones with the universal audio jack. So I disagree with that in regards to the decision on the headphone jack. But that is the likely explanation when it comes to not switching to USB-C.
lumpymattress ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:02:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Something something windows mobile something something
theangryintern ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:02:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love how everyone is so pissed at Apple for this and nobody is saying anything about Motorola already having an Android phone out with no headphone jack. The Moto Z has been out since June with only a USB-C port.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:06:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck right off Apple. You're full of shit! Money grabbing assholes
cplatt10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:17:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You fools do realize some android devices have also ditched the audio jack and do it through usb-c just like apple. Moto Z and Moto Z force both come to Mind, but yet apple does this and every one makes a dumbass big deal out of it. Typical android fanboys
I for one give 0 zero fucks about a headphone jack, this 2016 and they have this fancy technology called bluetooth use it.
vactu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:37:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bluetooth has issues at time with sync and audio quality. USB-C is not what apple switched too, they went lightning only, which is only compatible with other apple devices.
cplatt10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:56:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most apple users use apple products, i sell cell phones for the largest carrier in the US and 19th largest seller of apple on the county, most people will only buy the earpods or beats that I have dealt with. This is a non issue to 95% of apple followers
cplatt10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:59:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also apple is giving an adapter to go from lightnig to 3.5mm which will allow any headset so idk what the big fuss is abaout
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:43:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bluetooth sucks though
skunkz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:34:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everybody, shut the fuck up and choose the product you like.
Dplymkr88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:41:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Finally someone with some sense
jlz45 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:43:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes! Finally the world will drop these piece of shit iPhones and move toward the obviously superior android os. Needless to add, but I hate iPhone fanatics who claim apple products are better.
griefercast ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:49:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Go android!
AntiMatterXD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:51:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, how the fuck can Apple be so fucking dumb?
shinglemill ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:01:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All you Apple lovers will fall in line and buy the $150 ear buds anyways because Apple tells you what to do and what is cool.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:05:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Am I the only one that understands why they're doing this? The 3.5 mm headphone jack takes up quite a bit of space in the phone, so now they can fit more technology in tighter and tighter spaces.
Are we supposed to keep that same headphone jack forever? It's been around since the 80s and I'm honestly surprised it's lasted this long.
Don't get me wrong it'll be a hassle having to adapt, but that's the point of technology.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:14:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
it is just $170 to replace them? I am sure I will lost this fast. I feel only time will tell.
SlothVision ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:10:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Closer to 1880 than 1980. But yeah I agree, same knuckleheads that cried when they got rid of floppys, SCSI ports, CD drives ect.
westzod ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:06:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Weird that Apple is now chasing instead of being chased.
baconsoupfordays ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:30:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone will bitch about it then get used to it or just shut up about it and not buy an iPhone
Floppy disk, 30 pin connector, CD drive, serial, etc etc those are technologies long in the tooth Apple decided to get rid of.
AlpacaSean801 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:23:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ITT: Apple sucks, android is better because they decided to get rid of an outdated technology.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:10:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kind of appalled by the ridiculous overreaction towards such an effective (de facto inevitable) design decision.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:21:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's basically forcing people to buy new headphones, and it's the only device on the market that's using it so you'd only use those special headphones with the iPhone 7.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:28:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Forcing people to buy new headphones? The new iPhone not only comes with Lightning Port earbuds, but a 3.5 to Lightning adapter in the box (i.e. you can use any headphones with the new iPhone).
If you're worried about not being able to simultaneously charge and listen with headphones โ a contrived complaint in itself โ there are bound to be dozens of 3rd party accessories on the market in the next few months to remedy that scenario (e.g. dual-female Lightning port splitter cables) ranging anywhere from $5 to $20.
Edit: Also, nobody is forcing you to upgrade your iPhone. You can stick with the previous gen as long as you want or until you find yourself more willing to switch.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:30:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To me it just seems like them trying to get people to buy more stuff. But that's what Apple's all about anyway.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:31:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How when all the "more stuff" you'd need to buy is included in-box for free? There's not even any "ghost charges" in the set price to include the new headphones and 3.5 adapter since the iPhone 7 is the same price as the iPhone 6 when it released.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:55:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's true.
But that little strip on the first page is accurate. People are gonna lose the air buds or whatever they're called so quickly. I just think the public outrage is reasonable, this is very new and pretty cool, but definitely not a highly desired feature... they could've done so many other things with the design. And isn't it not even thinner, which was the supposed purpose of eliminating the headphone jack?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:35:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The wireless "air pods" in that strip are an entirely different product available for separate purchase โ a ridiculous $159. The EarPods that are included in-box with the phone are normal, wired EarPods just like the ones they have always included, except the iPhone 7 EarPods are Lightning input instead of 3.5mm.
The wireless air pods are the actual, flagrant cash-grab in Apple's new accessory line: They are advertised as "next level wireless audio", but in reality they simply connect to your device through Bluetooth the same as any other wireless earbuds that have been available for over a decade and will only cost you $20-$40 for the average pair. Their audio quality is no different than any other Bluetooth headphones because it's simply not possible to raise the bar of Bluetooth audio quality at this point. The new wireless air pods also promote the "tap" gesture to access Siri (and I assume other gestures for pausing, etc), but again, these features have been available on hundreds of other 3rd party wireless earbuds for years.
Apple's "air pods" focus on one (very trivial) difference: They automatically/seamlessly connect to your iPhone when they are near it, rather than going into Settings and manually pairing them to the device like you normally would. It's a minor feature being pushed as some "incredible innovation". Anyone who buys Bluetooth EarPods for $159 in 2016 is a fool.
Removing the 3.5mm jack was never about making the Lightning port thinner. The AUX jack intrudes on the phones base, and it has been eliminated in order to make room for two new hardware feature that occupy that space: the stereo speakers, and the redesign Home button (it has a "Taptic Engine" where the jack would be that allows the home button to be pressure-sensitive, and apparently will provide feedback of some sort).
The other bonus of eliminating the 3.5 jack โ or rather, putting focus on Lightning โ is the AUX jack is analog, while the Lightning Port is digital, which means Lightning Port audio will be much better quality. Whether or not you really care (or will even be able to tell the difference most of the time) is personal, but better audio quality is never a bad thing.
Sorry for the lengthy response and tangent on the wireless "air buds", ha. Just wanted to cover all ground :)
CpuKnight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:00:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Have there really been wireless earbuds that low profile for that cheap? Only other ones I can think of are the equally expensive Samsung ones.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:12:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sort price low-to-high
The first product is an actual beanie/toboggan with built-in Bluetooth headphones and playback controls for $10. After that, there's a slew of $20-$40 wireless earbuds.
The Apple airpods are very well-designed and aesthetically desirable, which is to be expected from the company, but they aren't actually "new" at all, and certainly not worth $159. I think they set their price that high because you're essentially paying for the new "W1" chip they put in them โ the chip that literally just allows you to connect through bluetooth automatically without manually pairing.
CpuKnight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:17:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean the size ddifference is still there. For someone who doesnt want to bring a bag wherever he goes, those low profile apple/Samsung buds are great. I know that's really petty but you gotta give them credit for making such small buds, none of those in the link are comparable in size
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:30:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There are plenty comparable in that size โ did you not even look?
Why would you need a bag to carry around these, or these, or these, or these, or these ...
If you're equating "size" to the difference between having a ~5" loop cord attached to them then that's ridiculous. Not to mention almost every one that I linked above actually have smaller earbuds than Apple's wireless air pods, which look like you have 2 Bluetooth-phone headsets protruding from your ears.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:01:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Haha, it's okay thanks for the information.
I guess it's just frustrated me for some time how (in my armchair-tech-analyst-opinion) Apple seems to be doing everything it can to be different and not follow the trend. And it sounds like the stuff they just released+the improvements to the 7 might help the company. But I struggle to understand how the stubbornness of whomever to not implement things like wireless charging, quick charging, IR blaster, no expandable memory, extra-durable screen like gorilla glass (unless the 7 has something like this), less RAM, etc.
bahumat42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:15:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
its not contrived, while i may not use an iphone i do charge my phone and have the aux plugged in, almost daily, in my car, to listen to music.
And as much as i dislike apple devices people who do like them should be able to get ones with basic functionality.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:02:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Firstly, you just admitted that you're arguing for argument's sake. Joining in on a conversation that's irrelevant to your current lifestyle is just a desire to be a part of any popular topic, even though you're entirely unaffected.
But I'll entertain the argument and tell you why it's contrived:
The practical need to charge your phone while listening to music is far too circumstantial to be considered pressing. Most people automatically plug their phone in to charge when they are near a charger, regardless of their battery life, purely from routine (learned behavior). I do it every day in my car even if my phone is above 70%.
But let's look at how impractical the circumstances actually are when iPhone users charge their phone while listening to music, and how there's a de facto "safety" that nulls the need for charging.
Long road trips: If you're going to be driving for a while, then it's typically a planned trip and your phone will likely already be decently charged when you walk out of your door. A fully charged, current-gen iPhone gets 80 hours of audio playback (divide by two for iPhones with 50% charge). I doubt anyone is driving for (+/-) 40 hours straight enough for their phone to die while listening to music.
Okay, what about streaming? 80 hours of audio playback, but 12 hours of Internet usage over LTE (full charge; 6 hours for half). Imaginary math guesstimating somewhere between 5-7 continuous hours of streaming before your phone dies. Again, the likelihood of needing to charge while listening to music is forced out of pure "my phone can't reach 10%" anxiety.
It's ridiculous to assume that the target demographic is charging their phone and listening to music while walking/running/in the gym, so let's breeze right past that one.
The only complaint left is that you un/knowingly leave the house with your phone 15% or less, and have to choose between charging in the car or listening to music.
But wait! You can charge your phone for 20-30mins while still listening to music, because radio and CDs do in fact still exist. So now the argument boils down to the entitled complaint that you can't listen to exactly what you want, when you want โ A lazy, contrived (if not superficial) complaint born out of nothing but entitlement and impatience. It's unrealistic and the vast majority of products (especially those pushed by major companies like Apple) are not designed to cater to these types of circumstantial wants โ not "needs".
Of course, it'd be remiss of me not to point out the iOS standard "low battery mode" feature, which can stretch 15% of battery life for around 2 or more hours (even while listening to music), and can be enabled at any time your battery falls below 80%. A key factor in why charging your phone while listening to music is more of a familiarity than practicality.
1wsx10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:22:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The 3.5mm jack is a great example of "if its not broken, don't fix it". something fashionable tech giants don't care for.
having an adapter included is nice, but its nothing like having an in-built port. adapters make it more bulky for the plug to go in (especially in your pocket) and are a second point where it can be detached. this means more inconvenience when the cord gets tugged as you have to figure out which one actually got unplugged before proceeding. apple owns the lightning connector, and that means any headphone maker is going to have to pay licensing to apple (and also re-tool their machines to put the connector on) in order to have a set of headphones available for iphone7 users that don't want a bulky adapter that probably doesn't match their case.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:42:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So I'm guessing you missed out on the part of the Keynote event that said how there are already a hefty amount of 3rd party headphone options that use lighting connector, which have actually been on the market since lighting connector was introduced (because the LC was originally introduced as an audio connection).
1wsx10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:51:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
what is keynote?
oh? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightning_(connector)
it doesn't matter weather or not it has happened for some manufacturers (if it has they will still probably be paying to use it in their next model too), the lightning connector will have a significant effect on the budgeting these companies need to make. this is going to have an effect on the price of their product.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:20:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Over 900 million devices use lightning connector now. And yes, lightning port was initially introduced with higher quality, digital audio output as one of its main selling points.
You're trying to talk about an Apple product decision, the company, and its business models but you don't even know what I'm referring to when I say "Keynote". What's credibility?
1wsx10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:29:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
sorry, i didn't realize i had to be familiar with an application in order to talk about the economy of a new connector.
the thing about the high quality audio is that the 3.5mm jack has been around for so long specifically because there has been no demand for it. (or next to no demand, i don't want to get into the audiophile niche)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:45:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When someone says "you missed the Keynote" or "Apple Keynote", they're referring to the live events and unveiling press conferences that Apple has been holding 2 to 4 times a year since 2007, where they cover literally every new hardware/software product and update to the world ... sigh What's credibility? What's context?
1wsx10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:02:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
again, its irrelevant. i dont need to watch their conferences to be able to talk about a connector they made.
spareMe-please ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:43:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly more funny thing is iphone's incredible dual lens camera system and stereo speakers which is already available in midrange android.
Sherlock--Holmes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:44:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Face it, thinner is improvement. 3.5mm is a legacy since 1964. Modern phones are fighting for space and ancient technology has to go to make room for future improvements.
smoke-billowing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:47:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have no idea why anyone would want a phone that isn't a Samsung galaxy. Easy to use, durable, good battery life, very few software restrictions, fast, external memory etc etc etc the list goes on.
elquecazahechado ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:58:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
... and an exploting battery!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:02:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Am I the only one here who uses Bluetooth headphones and does not care?
ryansidhu15 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:42:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Am I the only one that doesn't care about the missing headphone jack? I'm very confident that other manufacturers will follow this trend and remove the headphone jack.
People complained about the change from 30 pin to lightning but you hear nothing about that now.. I'm sure this is going to be the exact same situation
jonnyclueless ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 01:38:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How antiquated. I want to bookmark this post so that by next year when all phone makers have moved away from old fashioned headphone jacks we can look back on the neckbeard posts.
Ianchez ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:59:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I guess music fidelity its not your thing
RouseHouse1013 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:04:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can tell pretty easily who those people are in this thread. Especially the shit like 'bluetooth master race.'
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thomolithic ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:48:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There are 8 sets
Amilehigh ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 23:19:30 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Am I the only one that doesn't really care? I'll buy new headphones, so what.
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StrngBrew ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:30:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you like your headphones you can keep your headphones
Amilehigh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:10:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yea, I have a really nice pair of headphones that I'll have to use with the adapter. Oh well.
so_wavy ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:14:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yeah i don't care either lol
MntIsDew ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:48:49 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Some people don't have the money to buy brand new BT headphones and devices such as the Square card reader (which isn't compatible anymore) or an AUX cord won't work when charging the phone
Tennikee ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:27:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In all fairness someone who can afford the newest iteration of an iPhone can likely afford new headphones as well. If you don't like it, don't buy it. As simple as that. Speak with your wallet.
MntIsDew ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:51:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Point taken. But I don't see why someone would buy the earpods.... a decent pair of JBL or Sony BT headphones cost around $80-120.
Amilehigh ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:11:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They did include the little adapter doodad.
matthewgstat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:34:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But they can buy a $700 iPhone?
b_low_brown ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:05:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you can't afford new BT headphones you damn sure cant afford a new iPhone. Spend within your means.
BowtieBoy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:34:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
eh, in the same boat, but I can imagine people less fortunate than us (cough, buy their headphones at 5 below) will be fucked when they can't buy cheap bluetooth.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:39:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It comes with an adapter as well. So you can still use your old headphones.
PurpleComyn ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 01:38:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Headphone jacks suck. They provide shitty audio and are one of the most vulnerable part of the phone. Its an ancient standard (130+ years old) that is due to be replaced. I just find it funny that supposed tech people are so reluctant to adopt new and better technologies... the whole backlash sounds like a bunch of old folks complaining about the world changing without them. As such, these posts happen every time Apple has moved on from an obsolete tech like floppy or CD drives, and in every instance of this happening these posts always look ridiculous in hindsight as it becomes clear that Apple was right to push us toward something new, or away from something old.
Overall, I really can't believe this reaction... utter hysteria. Its really just fear, lack of vision and android fanboyism/apple hate.
danosaur ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:02:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Headphone jacks suck? It's Analog-Out via a copper buss from the DAC? How is that shit for any purpose?
It's an industry standard in both 3.5 and 6.5mm - do you see Pro-Audio users switching out their copper lines for Bluetooth receivers in Recording Studios? No, they're using the reliable and lossless standard of copper cabling, XLR and 6.5mm connectors.
dankmernes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:29:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have run through far more lightning connectors than 1/8" plugs in my life
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:09:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Thomjones ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:10:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ethernet is always a better option if you have it. Bluetooth headphones will never compare in quality to equivalent wired headphones. It's just the way it is.
Mushroomer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:51:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I actually really like having a dedicated Ethernet port on a laptop. WiFi will always be the slower option, and occasionally you want the extra boost for large downloads/streaming.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 02:46:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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PurpleComyn ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:04:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Some minor inconvenience up front for a better experience in the end. I'm glad they are pushing us forward.
Shiznot ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 00:44:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I find it incredibly amusing that apple fanboys are crowding this thread trying to prove their overpriced phones are superior.
AKA monster cables in headphone form.
am0x ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:05:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Let's be honest, these days Android Fanboys are, by far, the outspoken ones.
It's a damn phone. Are people really so boring that they identify with material items as who they are? I get you like one phone or another, but why do you care what other's buy? Mustangs are fast and cheaper than Mercedes, but I'm not going to bitch if I owned a Mercedes.
Shiznot ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:18:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's why all the apple guys are here attacking everyone and claiming superiority I suppose.
I agree.
Not all of them, but people who do annoy me.
I agree, the only thing I oppose is claiming that a Mercedes or a mustang is objectively better than the other. That's a personal opinion.
am0x ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:41:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yea personal opinion but who would take the mustang over the Mercedes?
Shiznot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:53:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People who like muscle cars.
am0x ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:19:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe, but wen then it proves my point. Most people don't play PC games, why would they need the best hardware? They would prefer luxury.
Running4soul ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:05:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mustangs are in a different class than Mercedes depending on the Mercedes. So yea while it is an opinion a high end Mercedes is going to be superior to a mustang in almost every single way
saltshaker59 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:31:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The iPhone seven will come with an adapter free
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RobaBobaLoba ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:57:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Were also jacking in our chargers and ear buds
at the same time!
PretendingToProgram ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:55:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh cool an adapter so i can now listen to music, but can i charge it at the same time?? No.
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PretendingToProgram ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:12:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
You fan boys are incredible. Bluetooth blows the quality sucks. I'll continue to use my superior android device. You continue to praise apples "new" ideas. You realize even this shitty idea has already been done by android? Apple is so revolutionary.
Dirigent ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:02:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Personally, I like that the new iPhone has done away with the headphone jack. It will push other manufacturers to develop wireless headphones, as they sure as hell won't produce to cater to Apple specifically. Wireless headphones were a matter of time, and it's just nicer.
ArgyleRunner ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:52:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
About 400 comments later, someone will say "here we go again. More people bitching about change." And then in a year they will completely forget the whole thing.
Like when you needed to buy the new digital tv antennas after the old bunny ears stopped getting supported. Bitch bitch bitch then move on.
Gruntmaster720 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 01:39:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is easily the worst decision apple has ever made, well maybe besides the pippin. But I feel like people are skipping over another fact, the iphone 7 is supposed to be water resistant right? Well if you look at the end of the announcement video on youtube it says that liquid damage is not covered by the warranty, so if your water resistant phone breaks of water damage they won't give you a new one. This obviously isn't as bad as the headphone jack but i think it's also something that people should be acknowledging
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:05:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Gruntmaster720 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:19:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for the clarification, I didn't know that.
toastyfries2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:09:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Samsung is the same way. Water damage isn't covered to the best of my knowledge.
Gruntmaster720 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:19:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, I didn't know that.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:14:50 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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UnjustMurder ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:08:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Good for you buddy.
vaultking06 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:39:06 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just bought a Moto Z Force and it's also lacking a plug. I have an adapter and can still use my regular headphones with it. Even so, the only reason I was willing to ditch the jack was because of all of the awesome modifications that I can make to my phone now. They ditched the jack in order to allow them to do something revolutionary with the phone. They didn't sell the lack of a jack as something revolutionary in and of itself.
pac_pac ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:31:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You didn't actually say what was revolutionary about it. You're gonna have to back that up.
Celesmeh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:01:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Look up moto mods, it basically makes the phone modular
vaultking06 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:01:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Quick swapping phone modifications that don't require any disassembly or powering off of the device. They're held on with magnets, but hold on far better than I would have expected. I've never had anything come apart unexpectedly. I have the bigger battery and the speakers. The phone is super thin so that the mods don't make it clunky. With the battery, after 20 hours of regular use I still had about 60% battery left. Then, whenever you want, you can just un-clip the battery and clip on the speakers. They have their own battery so they don't drain the phone and they're loud enough that I was able to listen to and understand an audiobook while I was in the shower, and it wasn't even full volume. There's also a projector, but I have neither the need, nor the cash for that. They're working on other mods as well, but those are what's out there so far.
pricedgoods ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:13:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What phone did you come from? I was looking at the z force until I compared screen real estate to my G3. The mods are awesome but I'd only do battery if I even got it. Currently loving the V20 and waiting to see some hands on reviews.
vaultking06 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:35:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My previous phone was a Moto X, so it's a pretty obvious step up. I also use line launcher, which lets me pack more apps and links into the home screen. I was originally planning on only getting the battery, but the speakers were on sale and I actually ended up using them almost daily, mainly in the kitchen. The other nice thing is some of the gestures and the trick where notifications can be previewed without turning on the screen's back light. I keep my phone on my desk at work and it's nice to be able to wave my hand a few inches in front of the screen and see a preview of my notifications without having to even touch the phone.
jewsonparade ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:00:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You have the Internet. You can see what the moto z is.
Grolschisgood ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:44:04 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, that phone is so thick, ridiculous.
maqee ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 01:07:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
IPhone 7 isn't even waterPROOF. I don't understand why they can't keep up with Android phones when their numbers are insane.
RIP Apple
Nepluton ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:39:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No phone is water proof, they are water resistant.
maqee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:12:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Galaxy's flagship are all waterproof, most even being proven to beat their 30 minute threshold, and withstand hours underwater then being pulled out with little or no damage.
Nepluton ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:23:59 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thats still water resistant, waterproof means immune to all water damage. Which they obviously arnt.
bytheshadow ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:36:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't understand why you guys aren't happy. The 3.5mm is outdated technology. Headphones should all be wireless by now. Plus the fact that they're giving away an adapter makes all debate pointless.
gcburn2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:53:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wireless earbuds? Sure, but I'm already spending $150+ on nice Sennheiser over-ear headphones. I'd rather not be required to repurchase something inferior for $200+.
We have a universal port that is relatively small, analog, and has been shown to be made water resistant if not waterproof. What is the benefit of dropping it?
--96 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 01:40:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also exclusive to Android, and more specifically the Note 7, Exploding batteries!
sarcastroll ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 01:43:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Naah, Apple beat them to that.
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/4206440?tstart=0
Spacecommander5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:58:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Naah, Sony beat them to that.
http://www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/Home/99B8D5B6-610D-4B23-A1F2-66E9D0BF2BF5.html
--96 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:52:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You linked me to a problem someone had with a laptop charger, cool, it happens. What hasn't happened however is a mass re-call of ALL units due to fucking EXPLODING batteries dude. Nice try though
DerpSenpai ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:13:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
though it was only a model and samsung's, android is much more than samsung m8
68regalager86 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:15:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I do not defend the removal of the headphone jack, but...
My dad just got an android phone, literally tonight. I have an iPhone 6S and I've never used any other smartphone in depth.
Android OS sucks so much dick. First, the touch screen on the S7 right off the bat is not as good. Idk what it is about it, but it's not as good as Apple's. Not as responsive. It's really good, but not as polished as the iPhone's.
Second, Android voice to text is garbage compared to Apple's.
Third, I'm a PC guy. I work in IT. I build and fix PCs. Why is Android OS so needlessly cluttered with bullshit? The fucking thing (S7) came with like 3 screens of bullshit apps that I can't imagine a normal person ever using. Like, consolidate that fucking shit. The 6S actually came installed with 90% useful stuff.
If Apple does anything well it's making a phone that's fun to use, reliable, and quality feeling. Everything's integrated to work together. I won't be getting an iPhone 7 because it literally does nothing new, but the Galaxy affirmed my opinion that Apple are really the ones who know how to make the best phones.
---sent from my iPhone
guthepenguin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:19:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's not so much Android's fault as it is the various cell phone providers'.
devast8ndiscodave ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:24:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There are numerous custom rom available. Usually much much better than stock. Check out Xda if interested.
Zeal514 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:33:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Android is better, if you know how to use it. Aside from at&t phones, the customization, & use of your phone is limitless. The lag, delay, or anything else you may have a problem with is just a result of people not knowing how to avoid it.
The s7 is a great device. I personally have a note 4 for personal, & a iphone 6s for work. I hate the iPhone. Everything is oversimplified I don't want all of my apps on my home screen. The list goes on. My android does everything my Iphone does, except better. No lag delay or any other issues everything is seemless, I just keep a widget on my homescreen, I press it and it kills all open apps & clears up my phone ram, all good.
I will say apple does have very good quality hardware, except, they practically design there phones to break.
I'd hate to be stuck in apples world where only some products are supported. As a matter of fact, my girlfriend has a ipad & transferring files to it is a pain in the ass. My phone, I just open file explorer on my wifi, access my nas, boom instant file transfers, whatever folder. Her ipad, got to break out of faithful iTunes, the restrictive show software forced down or throats, because it appeals to the sheep.
IThinkIKnowThings ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:11:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I think eventually Apple will just try to sell the same iPhone every year as the new iPhone. I know that's been a running joke, but I mean literally - Just slap on a new sticker with a higher number and hope people will "upgrade". What the hell else can they do?
I just don't see there being any future worthwhile upgrades to the "ubiquitous black squares" we all carry until we get AR glasses/contacts, brain implants or a truly wearable device with equal functionality, which I don't see happening any time soon. So we'll just have to live within the "smartphone dark ages" until we get our renaissance.
Thomjones ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:37:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, Apple hardware sales have been declining for awhile. The phones not that much, but the ipads and laptops definitely have taken a hit. Not that it matters because they make like 300% profit off any item sold.
deboes ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:20:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The fact that most of the Internet has lost their shit means it was the right call. We're moving from an audio analogue to digital media port. Did everyone really lose it this much when component was left out for HDMI only?
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 08:26:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why are android users so insecure? The truth hurts.
Koper3k ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 09:29:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't worry. After 1-2 years all Android phones will remove 3.5mm too. Just like they always do after Apple.
DragonflyLuis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:49:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
hahaha, that's funny because Android has had a lot of features that were later added later to iPhones. http://bgr.com/2016/06/14/ios-10-vs-android-stolen-features/ Regarding cables, iPhone changed the standard entrance for each iPhone model (or at least iPhone 4-5). I don't see that feature being copied by companies using android. So yeah, long live micro USB. Unless they have a good reason, jack 3.5 will continue with us for a long time. Long live the standards. Now all we need is a "Make Apple Great Again" joke.
UPRC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:07:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Please please please don't act like Apple always does everything first. Nobody does everything before their competitors.
papaeco ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 23:48:46 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I got a Samsing rn, and I love it way more than the iphone, but i'm gonna have to switch back because litterally everyone else has an Iphone
clutchdeve ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:38:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why would you have to switch back because everyone else has one?
papaeco ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:51:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Its not just me joining in on a trend, It's my international family, and me having an Iphone means i can face time and keep in touch, and I know I could use skype, but most my family there aren't very tech savy.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 02:56:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Ishmaelstrom ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:05:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
so what is that new technology which will replace the industry standard 3.5 jack outlet?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:19:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Ishmaelstrom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:38:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
:DDDDDDD
Freeadvicefromdanet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:16:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
CD/DVD are gone? Omg. Oh wait. You are such an apple evangelist with endless wisdom. Thanks for getting rid of the floppy drive and FireWire.
codenamerocky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:31:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The future is wireless huh?
They still haven't enabled wireless charging so obviously they see the need for some wires.
bparkerson04 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:58:06 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol ๐
GremioIsDead ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:03:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Does the phone support analog output via the Lightning port or whatever it is these days? Or is there a garbage DAC in that adapter?
revolution486 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:06:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't get this.
realworldeditor ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:16:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pfft. Have fun living with a 100 year old technology. /s
dieselstation ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:51:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Old tech that works, is cheap to make, universally compatible, has superior sound quality, easy to use, doesn't need charging or uses excessive battery, etc... Yeah, there's a reason it's still around after these years. Because nothing better has come along to displace it yet. Nothing worthy.
vicarwin ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:18:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Holy ffffff
Macdaddy357 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:28:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just use Bluetooth headphones.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:28:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just bought an iPhone SE and it does this so...wat?
HomeyHotDog ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:29:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But but but it has to be thinner! Seriously though how long is Apple going to stick with this gimmick. I'd rather have a headphone jack, larger battery, better processor than have it be thin. And guess what it doesn't really matter how thin it is because most people use phone cases anyways
inb4zombies ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:31:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Steve would have made the engineer who showed him the dongle, shove it straight up his or her own asshole before Steve would ever ship a new flagship phone with it.
"And Iโm gonna need you to put that dongle way up inside your butthole, Jeff. Put it way up inside there, as far as it can fit."
Whose_Child ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:34:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Um I have a iPhone 6S Plus So I can do that too y'know
GremmieCowboy ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:37:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I said Apple was faster, where did I say it was superior? And I never contradicted myself, unless you are using a different working definition of the word contradicted than what is generally accepted.
Crypto- ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:38:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Funny how everyone was bitching when they ditched the floppy disk back in the 90's. Look how far we've come now
Dayan54 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:42:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because a slim phone with a bulky case is normal sized but a bulky phone with a bulky case is like having a brick in your pocket/purse
Mr_Zoovaska ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:45:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Moto z doesn't have a headphone jack
NALeoo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:45:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's no earphone jack on the new iPhones?
JStone_ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:49:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Headphone jack took up a lot of room inside the iPhone. I'm not surprised that it's gone tbh. Smart move by Apple, pretty terrible for consumers.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:50:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
almost useful if most radios didnt have Bluetooth and no one should listen to anything on a phone
BillNye_314 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:52:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're dumb to think Apple is the first big tech company to do this . Oppo did this with one of their devices a while back and Motorolas new phone has no 3.5mm jack
Diknak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:00:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
how did that work out for them?
BillNye_314 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:38:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not very well but Apple does spend a lot of money on marketing and is a huge company . So yes it'll sell very well :) Practically anything Apple or Samsung makes it'll make a profit .
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:53:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow amazing! My Mind is blown!
runs away
ar9mm ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:54:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cuts off too soon. Where's the part where it bursts into flames?
Zeus1325 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:58:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was going to get an iPhone for my next phone, Ive got a mac and iPad, but now...Im sticking with android
guysnacho ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:03:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Savage
BernieDick ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:04:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Androids are waterproof. Checkmate
exitpursuedbybear ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:08:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit even /r/apple they are tearing this apart.
MaybeNotStig ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:08:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All of a sudden exploding Samsungs don't sound too bad do they?
BonerSoup696969 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:09:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like I'll be buying one of these Bluetooth headphone jacks. Apple can try and fuck me, but technology
https://imgur.com/a/Z2ugy
blasphemingus ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:12:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shots fired!
CrazedRaven01 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:31:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What about the Moto Z?
scag315 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:32:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair the Moto z removed the headphone jack first.
FartherAwayx3 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:32:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My Moto Z Droid would like a word with you.
iamsorri ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:35:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAj26rVWK14
DarthReptar666 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:39:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apple execs probably said something like, "yo, we're gonna take the headphone input out of the iPhone and these idiots are still going to buy it. Watch!".
PM_ME_YER_MUDFLAPS ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:41:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A Samsung exclusive is the exploding battery......
datalies ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:44:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So much Apple talk in here. More talk about Apple than Android. Support or dissent, Apple is the name readers in this thread are maintaining.
Freeadvicefromdanet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:33:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Day took our jobs! Day took our Jobs.
HenryKushinger ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:46:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This seals the deal. My next phone will definitely be a droid of some kind. Fuck Apple. Fuck them extra hard.
glennycliff ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:55:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They supply an adapter, so what is the big deal... I'm glad to see the old port gone.
KanyesDick ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:57:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't see the big deal, we are moving towards a cordless world. Apple was bound to do this sooner or later.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:58:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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asemodeus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:14:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So now you cannot charge and listen to music at the same time? Innovative! Especially since Apple phones are always significantly behind in battery capacity to Samsung phones.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:26:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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asemodeus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:48:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Phones have been doing double speakers with audio jack for years. It's not that hard if you want to focus on that.
fuckjapshit ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:00:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So antiquated.
UsernameOriginale ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:03:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You cut out the part where it catches on fire.
TheF0CTOR ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:16:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Only Samsungs catch fire, and you kinda deserve it if you buy a Samsung.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:04:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's 2016....who doesn't have Bluetooth?
bubadubdub35 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:06:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It comes with a 3.5 lightning adapter.
Lightning986 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:07:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
r/BlackPeopleTwitter/ Is going to suffer from this. EX: http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/857/545/0b5.png
roxasx12 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:10:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In a smartphone space comes at a premium because there is such a limited amount. I'm all for removing the headphone jack if that means more space for new technology.
TheF0CTOR ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:12:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
New technology. Apple iPhone. Pick one.
tippinator ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:12:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The iPhone 7 comes in the new color Jet Black or like I like to call it, BURNED!
JohnGillnitz ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:12:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Reason #893 why I never buy anything from Apple.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:17:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh? Another useless feature that no one will really care about in a few years once wirelessly charging headphones become commonplace.
DTWBagHandler ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:17:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh boy have the Android fanboys been waiting for this one to drop for a long time! Have at it gang!
http://giphy.com/gifs/sunny-always-philadelphia-5vOPFXAYr2RTW
cassy_jenelle ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:17:30 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Honestly, I am quite pissed at the fact that Apple removed the headphone jack.
It's a nightmare for anyone on a low wage who wants to listen to music. Not only are the earbuds ridiculously expensive ($160), they consume battery power, which is something apple phones aren't known to be good for. And you can't use the same headphones you use for all your other devices. What if I want to save money and get a pair of quick emergency headphones for 1 buck huh? Can't use them.
The money grabbing needs to stop. I would be totally down if this was an optional feature and the phone still had a jack. But Apple says they need to be thinner, who the fuck needs a thinner phone?
Phones are moderately lightweight already, and besides I'd like to feel some weight in my pocket as security if someone decides to pickpocket me. Now, if they worked on the fragity and battery life, that would be innovative.
persimmon40 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:34:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Let's be honest here, you shouldn't be buying an Iphone 7 "on a low wage" or owing any apple products in general, unless you got them used couple years since they've been around.
Who are we kidding tho, murican consumerism will not let common sense to strive, and chances are, you'll be getting one upon release.
cassy_jenelle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:37:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Yeah but the phone is a one-off purchase, or something you get on contract. The earbuds can be damaged, eventually stop working or lost, and you'll have to keep replacing them with $260, the price of a new phone. That is quite devastating to the wallet knowing how headphones in general can be.
And it means you can't even get a $1 pair of wired headphones until you get a new pair, y'know?
persimmon40 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:41:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, I agree.
persimmon40 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:26:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am an Android guy. Always was and most likely will always be. It's nice to shit on Apple and all, but I am damn fairly sure that in the nearest future all the fucking headphones will be wireless. Apple is just pawing the way. 100 % a couple years from now everyone will be looking back at wired earplugs and cringe.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:58:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bluetooth is shit quality and I don't want to carry around a charger for headphones, so I'll always have a wired headset
persimmon40 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:20:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't kid yourself, you'll always have a wired headset until cell phone makers decide you don't need one anymore.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:21:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'll get an old school MP3 player then
brildenlanch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:28:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like headphones switching to USB-C instead of the 3.5 is much more likely. The only disadvantage would be not being able to charge your phone while being jacked in. People are comparing this to forcing people to drop Floppy disks, it's not even in the same league.
mcqtom ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:32:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry pal, Windows Phone has this in spades.
WrenSC2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:39:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Now if only more then .7% of cell phone buyers would buy Windows Phone maybe your comment would mean something.
mcqtom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:28:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't matter how few people buy them, they're still better than iPhones.
diyab_ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:37:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean I'd rather have no headphone jack then a 2.0 megapixel camera
emotionlotion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:12:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What phone has a 2 megapixel camera?
Alteran195 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:38:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You mean until other manufacturers inevitably follow suit and remove it from their phones too? That's usually how it works when Apple doses something like this.
I won't miss it.
I've had LG Tone Bluetooth headphones for a couple months now, and will never go back to wired headphones. I use them at work for 10 hours a day, and they have never died on me.
When they inevitably crap out on me at some point, I'll probably buy the Air Pods since they look damn nice.
Before you start downvoting me for sounding like an Apple fanboy, I've used both Windows Phone (a Lumia), and Android (Nexus 5) for at least a year each, and I've always come back to the iPhone. I just enjoy the user experience, and love Apples build quality and design.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:38:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm an android user, and I've been using wireless bluetooth headphones for almost a year and have no intention of going back to twist-e-knot headphones ever again, but that's none of my business.
greenwindex ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:40:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know what I find funny? Apple does things different and people hate all the time. Once the boo's subside people go "oh this is kind of cool".
I use multiple platforms so don't side with one over the other. Still the fact I can get wireless ear buds is epic. No more getting snagged up on shit when doing yard work!
POP_L1F3 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:40:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Keep your ancient technology. Filthy droids.
Wookiewacker5 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:45:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shitpost
jgreg728 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:47:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
eyeroll people will get over this soon enough. The thing comes with an adapter anyway. And to the people who complain that they can't charge and listen at the same time, who tf does that anyway? Buy a dock if you do that at work, they still have a separate headphone jack.
tsnives ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:55:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Needing extra accessories for daily function is just idiotic. I'll just stick with functional devices that don't need the user to cover for the design. If it offered a single benefit it could have been an understandable change, but all it was for was to make them thinner so they would be easier to bend and drop.
jgreg728 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:32:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you get a free adapter with the phone then just plug it into your existing headphones and never worry about it again...
And apparently the intent was to make way for the extra components that went into the new cameras. Also I'm sure it helped the amazing extra battery life bump the regular 7 got.
this_person_here_now ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:48:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair. That contact is old. Like really really old. Like ancient. Leaving it will be hard but I think we're the generation that makes it.
canihelpyoubreakthat ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:54:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Am I the only one who is all for this? I'm not even an iPhone user but I do understand the benefits that come with moving to all digital. And no, it's not only for saving space!! You can potentially be getting better audio quality as well. Accept it, this will be happening to android phones as well! I just wish everyone would agree on usb-c so we could be a truly universal utopian society.
Im_on_my_laptop ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:58:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The future is now!
FallenAngel5309 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:01:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm just going to point out that the Motorola z also has no headphone jack. Apparently everyone doesn't know this. It also comes with an adapter for your headphones.
SlothVision ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:11:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Already looks kind of goofy and outdated actually.
sylect ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:18:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Meh, I think apple is actually going in the right direction, USB c is such an improvement
pallath ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:19:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, Apple has a point. This has been in the game for quite some time.
kabooozie ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:43:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, I thought this was crazy at first, but it's actually not a big deal. There's an adapter included, as well as some sweet new digital headphones. It sucks for people who connect with aux, but my car has usb input and Bluetooth, so it's all good. Also, you could use the adaptor to do aux. This is a non-issue for me. Fuck the air pods though. Horrible idea. Will never buy.
_your_face ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:44:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
nevermind the dozens of android phones that have tried to remove the headphone jack for years, pfffft facts
DMod ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:46:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't agree with this decision, but there is so much misinformation and circle jerking in this thread. They didn't remove it to make the phone thinner or add a second speaker. It basically came down to placement of the components inside the phone causing interference with the new camera. The headphone jack was just valuable real estate that they needed.
http://www.macrumors.com/2016/09/07/apple-explains-headphone-jack-removal/
jgreg728 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:47:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol the haters blowing this issue up more than it needs to. The rumor has been ongoing for over a year now. Get over it. The adapter is free and won't become lost if you keep it attached to your usual pair of headphones all the time. It's really not that big of a deal....
dgfhdgfhdgfhdgfh ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:47:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bluetooth is outdated and sounds like shit, you stupid Apple fucks.
I_am_from_Kentucky ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:58:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
lol it's hilarious how people see apple release a new product and immediately act like:
this is the ONLY product made by Apple that serves this purpose (it's not)
there's a history of repeated poor decision-making when it comes to dropping legacy features (there's not)
the competition is light years beyond apple and won't ever align themselves with any of apple's dramatic and horrible product decisions (they probably will, much like apple does to their own competitors)
please. give me a break. while i'll be the first to tell you i prefer apple products over most others, i won't deny the advantages to a customizable OS, plethora of hardware options, a much more open app economy, etc etc., but i also won't watch an I/O presentation and pretend that google's product decisions are historically awful and in poor taste and won't ever succeed or make any sense in a year or two.
except for that whole project ara thing. that probably deserved every bit of criticism.
NerdRep ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:14:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Am I the only one who thinks this is not a big deal? It comes with new headphones and a new adapter for old headphones, and bluetooth headphones have been out for a while, some of which are already pretty awesome. Not to mention, untangling headphone wires is a GD PITA! So seriously, whats the problem here? I'm not a fanboy, but I also don't understand this dramatic outrage.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:33:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Thork420 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:48:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As an accessory
redhelpful ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:44:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd just like to point out that, as a rich person, we think you're poor if you aren't using Bluetooth headphones. You look poor when you use wired headphones, no matter how "nice" they are, that's just the stigma associated with seeing a cord hanging across your chest today. Sorry if this butthurts some of you, but maybe it'll save the image conscious ones here some embarrassment.
20sJeeves ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:16:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So all you care about is the image? Well why don't you buy designer earmuffs? I mean, the sound quality obviously doesn't matter to you as it's at the cost of design, so why have it? Most people who outright claim to be rich are at best upper-middle class with a slightly above average income, in my opinion. I think you just haven't got used to being in the top 40%. The fact that you are defending the removal of a port that only was causing 0.3mm of thickness is stupid really.
redhelpful ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:43:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you go to concerts?
20sJeeves ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why?
redhelpful ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:51:20 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because most headphone snobs do, and don't realize their ears are too damaged to hear the difference between 90% of headsets.
20sJeeves ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:19:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's entirely subjective, and I've count the number of times I've been to concerts on my hands, and you still haven't got any reason not to have the port.
redhelpful ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:43:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I gave you the reason. Apple is a Luxary brand, and cords make people look poor/ dated. apples white headphones were never anything special, but they stood out and we're always associated with the luxury apple products. Don't tell me when you saw a pair 6-8 years ago you didn't assume it was connected to an iPhone or iPod. Don't tell me you didn't feel cool when you wore a pair in public. If we're going to judge off of practicality and utility Apple has NEVER been ahead of the curve. I had an MP3 player that could play video years before Apple released anything that could. Apple is about fashion, Luxary, and branding. So it makes perfect sense for them to drop the headphone jack in a world that's full of Bluetooth headsets, as wired headphones decrease the prestige of their product. They want to discourage people from using $3 airplane headphones on their $800 phone. A $20 tie will never look good with an Armani suit, a $10 steering wheel cover will never look good in a Ferrari. They saw something that looks like shit and successfully deterred people from using it. It's genius. It's no different than ABC/XYZ Clothing company refusing to make XXXL shirts and size 42 pants.
20sJeeves ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:25:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, I see where I went wrong. I was treating this as if the iPhone was the only brand on the market. But it still is a stupid step on Apple's part as they'll lose many customers. However, I agree with your reasoning.
mundoid ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:47:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When are people going to wake up to the fact that apple is a dirty, lowdown, money ganking whore of a corporation? They aren't removing USB ports and 3.5 jacks becase of any future compatibility. They are doing it so you can't use third party hardware and are forced into buying more crapple products. ffs stop supporting them!
MrGalecki ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:04:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Removing USB ports? You do realize any bluetooth headphones work with the iPhone right, not just Apples?
Eedis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:18:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What does that have to do with a micro USB port?
MrGalecki ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:25:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What does a micro USB port have to do with anything? Apples never used them, and even Android manufacturers are ditching them.
NehEma ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:34:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For usb type c which is another non proprietary format.
Eedis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:45:32 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What does Bluetooth and headphones have to do with charging your phone?
mundoid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:29:21 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh look, here come the Apple fanatics brigade coming to defend their lord and saviour. You can stick a Bluetooth headphone in your ear if you want, and lug a lightning/USB converter everywhere so you can plug in a friggin usb stick. I'll be sticking to companies that actually give a shit about function over form, and their consumers.
MrGalecki ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:21:22 on September 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Who peed in your cereal? They're just phones. Relax.
Kann0r ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:29:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, I'm not going to miss it one bit. I haven't used corded headphones in over a year.
a720boxer ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:40:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol but the iPhone 6s and 6 still have the 3.5mm headphone jack and are still viable phones
scbland ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:43:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ugh...get over it already
iceballfunela218 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:45:17 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Even though everyone is hating on the removal of the 3.5mm headphone jack, Apple is the winner here because of all the discussions and free publicity it is getting.
1wsx10 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:05:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
apple is a widely known, international company. "any publicity is good publicity" does not apply
ally1707 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:54:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, I am not that upset about it. I rarely listen to music while I'm charging my phone. In fact the only time I've ever done so was because Pokemon Go had drained my battery so much that I had to use my power bank on my way home.
However, over the years I have run into a few problems with iPhone cases and the cutouts for the headphone jack. I have some headphones with rather bulky plugs and once I had a really sturdy case with a ridiculously small headphone cutout so I couldn't use those specific headphones for a while.
I totally understand that people are upset but for me personally, I think i could get used to it. Once third party adapters and splitters come out I don't think it'll be such a huge deal for me.
And as someone who recently dropped her iphone in a sink with the water running, the fewer ports on my phone the better xD
smoofles ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:10:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs amazing how much Android users care about Apple products.
Afrobean ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:47:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I still don't understand why people care so much about this. You can still use your old headphones with the new iPhone. Literally all they did was move the jack's location. And it's not like Apple is forcing people to buy adapters, not to mention that Bluetooth is way more than capable of satisfying the needs of the typical consumer. There are even Bluetooth dongles available that allow a person to use old analog headphones wirelessly, so there are a few different ways of dealing with this. Yeah, Bluetooth might drop the quality a bit (while still being more than good enough for most users), but old iPhones aren't giving audiophile level quality out of the headphone jacks anyway and I'm sure the USB option will deliver comparable quality to the old built-in systems.
Seriously, I bet it won't be too long before you have to plug your wired headphones into the USB slot of most of your Android devices too. It's just a more efficient design to have the universal serial bus port send audio out along with all of the other universal data it's responsible for. Sort of like how most manufacturers don't bother with SD slots. If you ABSOLUTELY need to read a SD card, there are adapters that can be plugged into USB, but wireless storage is effective for most users so it's not worth using up internals space on a redundant feature. See also: dedicated mini-HDMI ports being replaced with MHL or SlimPort (along with wireless options like Miracast).
Also, if you don't like this new, more efficient design? Buy from a competitor that offers all of the niche features you need. And maybe if enough people do this, Apple could change their mind to cater to that market segment who demands this feature.
Atwalol ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:51:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
3.5 mm has been the standard for 20 years, and will be for at least 20 more.
Its a perfectly fine standard that works wonderfully, and will remain so for the simple reason that any headphones bought in the last 20 years can basically be plugged into it.
Afrobean ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:13:33 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree completely on all fronts. The 3.5mm TRS standard is great and will continue to be a useful industry standard for audio for the foreseeable future. That said, it still makes plenty of sense to not waste internals space on a feature that is non-essential and which can be easily covered with a simple USB adapter and wireless alternatives.
I think the breakdown here is just that many people consider a 3.5mm audio jack to be an essential hardware feature when it's not and can actually be easily avoided. I used to feel the same way about physical keyboards.
Atwalol ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:17:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well saying its not essential is just silly, as its something that will differ from person to person.
I would never buy a phone without a 3.5 mm jack, I have about 5-6 pairs of expensive headphones that all are 3.5mm. Sure adapters work, but lets be real, adapters suck. To me the jack is essential.
Sheikh_Shaker ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:07:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apple defends this decision because they have "courage" and we must "move on"..
Yeah.. i guess ill move on too .. to the other side..
anotherbrownsfan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:28:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yeah its not only the removal of the jack for me but the messaging that has me wanting to move on from iPhone for the first time......
Persia-Gangsta ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:32:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
WTF!? I don't get it every Phone has that or not?
Heitomos ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:59:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're making fun of the new iPhone 7, which doesn't have one.
Persia-Gangsta ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:02:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
LOL rly? xD
Heitomos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:16:50 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, it only has bluetooth headset capability, and they want you to buy their set of wireless ear buds that cost 160$ and are easily lost. And you can't charge the phone and listen to music at the same time. And they want you to 'just trust us' that it's a good idea.
Persia-Gangsta ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:39:47 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck Apple rly that's just pathetic.
JCWCOPG ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:59:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apple just announced that the iPhone 7 wont have a headphone jack.
Persia-Gangsta ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:03:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
what idiot made that decision?
Abrushing ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:34:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What is this, 1985? :P
chrome_settings2 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:14:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This should be nsfw...
I love insertion
UpvotesForLaughs ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:50:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So this is the nogate controversy?
jwd2017 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:18:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
COWARDS!
Jarizle88 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:59:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's a few android phones jumped on the no audio jack train just because the iphone rumors.
wharpudding ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And again, Apple didn't "innovate" shit. They copied someone else and made it white, shiny and expensive.
http://qz.com/776383/iphone-7-three-chinese-smartphone-makers-ditched-the-headphone-jack-before-apple/
fizzgig0_o ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:31:18 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I truly don't understand why people care about the headphone jack. (Minus the audiophiles). I worked at an electronic store and By FAR the most popular headphones were wireless versions. Get over it already.
Side note: earbuds are horrible for your hearing.
PurpleComyn ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:53:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nothing funnier to me than Android fanboys... you guys are exactly the same as Apple fanboys, except you actually don't think you are fanboys while you show the same brand biases and blind opinion that defines fanboyism.
The only thing worse than an idiot is a hypocritical idiot.
wharpudding ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:44 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno. The judgemental assholes above it all up on their pedestals are pretty annoying too.
PurpleComyn ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 02:12:31 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hahaha, yes, calling out shitty and hypocritical behavior is being a judgmental asshole while constantly belittling people because they prefer a different phone than you do is totally ok.
Your argument is a really pathetic age-old technique of the weak... that I'm an asshole for calling out asshole behavior. You are trying to create a reality where your shit behavior is beyond reproach. Sorry buddy, not gonna work here.
wharpudding ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:40:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol, K.
PurpleComyn ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:43:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, you're a teenager. My mistake... carry on.
wharpudding ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:42:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
K
Fatfaggottreat1 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 05:48:04 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"LOL Apple took away the DVD drive in their new laptop, what a fucking mistake"
"A touch screen on a phone? And it doesn't even have a stylus... LOL"
"Tablets, LOL who want's a huge iphone?"
See the trend?
PUTINsTiTs ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 22:28:47 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wut ?
freewheelinCW ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 22:29:19 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
new iphone dont have headphone jack
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:53:03 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
why?
TEMPORAL_TACO_TAMER ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 23:22:40 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The legit reason given was "courage"
rainwulf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They should have had the courage to make a waterproof 3.5mm plug....
rck_james_bitch ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 22:57:03 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably so they can sell their $160 headphones.
joevsyou ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 01:57:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
you do know you can buy a wireless headset for like $10 bucks?
rck_james_bitch ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:02:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you wanna sacrifice every ounce of sound quality, then sure.
mikeysof ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:28:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because "courage"
joevsyou ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 01:56:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
because it's stupid when we live in a wireless era and when the usb port can fully capable of doing audio and more so why take up space inside a small little box for 2 ports?
HellRazoR35 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:33:58 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hell yeah, get rid of the ports and go wireless. In fact who needs on-board memory when you can have wireless hard drives or cloud garbage storage. And why take up space on the box for a screen when you can use your watch for a screen. Why even have the device at all go ChromeBook style and have a watch that only works if it's connected to someone else's computer. Or just make a device that has as much connectivity as possible and don't get an iJunk.
[deleted] ยท -19 points ยท Posted at 02:07:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Basedmobile ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 01:26:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd rather have a thinner phone than a jack I never use.
UnstableParallel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:50:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The iPhone 7 isn't thinner than the 6s tho
Basedmobile ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:12:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously?
That's the only argument to remove it.
I can't think of any other reason than that sweet cash from adapter sales
RouseHouse1013 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:01:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus, how much thinner do you need a phone to be than what we have now? I want a thicker phone with a larger battery and a headphone jack.
Basedmobile ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:16:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then get a flip phone
RouseHouse1013 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:19:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or I'll stay with Android which gives both of us the options we want.
Basedmobile ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:31:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ight then enjoy your shitty plastic thick phone.
Lagdroid. Lol
RouseHouse1013 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:33:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Such eloquence!
Basedmobile ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:44:08 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're very passive aggressive.
RouseHouse1013 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:51:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I asked you how much thinner of a phone you needed and your first response was 'get a flip phone' followed by 'lagdroid lol.' And I'm the passive aggressive one?
Basedmobile ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:57:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just because I am doesn't mean you aren't.
Suck it
RouseHouse1013 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:59:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you have your parents' permission to be online?
Basedmobile ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:09:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did your alleged father have the permission of the donkey he butt fucked to make you?
RouseHouse1013 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:50:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol, so this is what arguments with Apple fanboys devolve into. I asked about the thickness of a phone and we're now to you talking about me being born from sodomizing a donkey. You stay classy man and keep on shilling for Apple.
Basedmobile ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:08:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everything is a conspiracy huh?
Recklesslettuce ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 00:12:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The jack is more phallic, so feminists should love the new lightning connector because, given it's the only viable hole, the iPhone is now male, and it's ok to rape a male iPhone.
But eeeew!! that male iPhone just touched my butt! RAPE!!!
Coming to a college near you.
imortality ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:32:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Another android exclusive: Lag.
redyambox ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:41:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The only reason they have to remove the audio jack is to enforce DRM on music. That is all.
Not because they wanted to make the phone waterproof... not because they wanted to make it thinner... not because they want to "start the bluetooth headphone revolution".
DRM ladies and gentlemen. That is all.
emcee_paz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:44:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How does this enforce DRM on an iPhone?
redyambox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:31:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Look up HDCP, and the Digital-Analog hole
I don't doubt that the phone will still play everything over its speakers, but over Bluetooth and lightning connections I expect to start seeing issues with playing over non Apple endorsed headphones. (the 3.5mm adapter is there for now... but how hard is it to disable or drop support for a lightning accessory when we know that iOS can interrogate the accessory?)
Bluetooth can be a bit tricky, it's up to the manufacturer to decide what the device reports itself as, but in the end it is still a digital connection.
What I'm trying to get at is that with a pure digital output, it really isn't hard to put a block on playback.
Just my humble opinion. But I really see no other reason for them to take away the standard audio jack.
emcee_paz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:26:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So you mean play back over non Apple headphones or other types of speakers? That sounds like some shit Apple would do. That's why I don't buy anything Apple.
Spacecommander5 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:51:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Source to back up your claim?
LovelyLass86 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:49:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's childish
Poison_Anal_Gas ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:49:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Billion dollar company like Apple wouldn't "make a mistake" on this scale.
They know their intentions, and I'm sure you know they even had focus groups. Maybe they have some knowledge on where the audio industry is moving away from 3.5mm jacks. I mean who knows really, besides then.
Point being if they standardize it, it will become popular. Love them or hate them, they have a pretty good idea of what they are doing.
wharpudding ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
With this move?
Selling headphones.
joevsyou ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:55:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I glad someone has the balls to remove the old use jack from phones, We are in wireless era and and for some reason you still want a stupid wire hanging down, usb cables are capable of transferring audio so why have 2 ports when 1 can do audio plus more?
Nogoodhandle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:58:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe I want to charge my phone and listen to music at the same time. Radical concept I know, but there just may come a time.
joevsyou ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:13 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bluetooth! $10 bucks will get you a pair, I havn't had a wire hanging from my neck in years.
YaGottadoWhatYaGotta ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Enjoy terrible audio quality.
FromtheFuture_ ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:57:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's going to be a lot of butthurt people when Android inevitably does the same thing with their phones, and a lot of those people are in this thread.
Geta-Ve ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:15:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I for one am happy about this decision. It will push ear phone tech forward as well as normalize wireless earbuds and lower costs (eventually).
Apple did the same thing with the cd rom drive and are no worse off. Say what you will but their bold decisions are the reason the phone market is where it's at today.
I guarantee that other cell manufacturers will follow suit. They may not use the Lightning port, but they WILL ditch the aux. if for no other reason than to gain back some of that insanely premium internal space. On top of that, they don't have to take the initial beating for doing so. I am all but certain the industry was just waiting for Apple to cut the tether.
Vanthonn ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:32:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I see android is still living in the dark ages.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:36:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Android Exclusive!
GoodLuchaThing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:27:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except there are plenty of Android phones with better screens than iPhones and some with subjectively better cameras.
0912873465no ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:39:34 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oooo, Look a floppy disk like technology.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:58:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As someone who switched a year ago to a Galaxy S6 from an iPhone 5, even lack of a headphone jack won't stop me from running back to iPhone.
pvtjace ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:02:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A galaxy would make anyone switch....
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:28:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Remember when the iMac was released and people freaked out because it didn't include a floppy drive?
lettis ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:42:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
its time to get away from analog, do people just expect to be using the 3.5mm headphone jack for another 10 years? 25 years? 100 years?
at some point there is going to be change and there is always people who resist the change and people who drive the innovation forward.
graboy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:59:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why get away from analog? The speakers in headphones are controlled by an analog circuit, not a digital one. This means that a digital to analog converter (DAC) circuit will need to be placed in every pair of headphones. This is redundant because it's much easier to have a single DAC inside of the phone, rather than many DACs in every pair of headphones. This will not only drive up the cost of headphones overall, but also result in worse sound quality for budget headphones which use low-quality DACs because they can't use the high-quality DAC that used to be on the iPhone.
So, yes, I expect to be using the 3.5mm headphone jack for the rest of eternity. There was a reason it was designed this way.
lettis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:43:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
hmm interesting point!
it assumes that a user can tell the difference between a low and high quality DAC
and it assumes that the cost of a DAC would stay the same for ever, the cost of technology is always getting cheaper as manufacturing technologies evolve.
the price of a DAC for a headphone company will certainly decrease enermously as demand for them increases
when on a level playing field and the quality of the DAC chips are universal and cheap (assuming they are not already, cant imagine they cost more than a few dollars per headphone) it will surely be better to have digital audio
the price of the DAC would likely already be rock bottom in anticipation of the iphone 7
jlz45 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:48:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol. Is this in defense of iPhones being ahead of the curb? Got news for you on the hardware and software fronts....most devices running android have been ahead of iPhones since as early as 2012. Apple marketing seems to have gotten the best of you.
lettis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:36:12 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
in what way is the software and hardware in front? im not really partial either way i dont even own a smart phone, every time i have used an iphone ive found the user experience far better than android and it seems most people i know prefer iphone, android runs like a bad linux kernal to me
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:47:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I don't get it. Is this suppose to be funny or something? And how the hell did this make the front page?
Edit: I get it now. The new iPhones don't have headphone jacks.
tennorabbit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:53:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Iphone 7 won't have a headphone jack.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:01:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
..... wtf? ..... W-why?
tennorabbit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:05:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So they can push their $200 wireless earbuds on everyone.
treeev ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:06:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone will complain now, bet me that in 3-5 years it will be the industry standard for all phones to not have a 3.5mm headphone jack.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:43:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes - you just keep going with your analog 1923 technology. Do you still have a CD drive on your laptop? Zip drive?
tthrowaway2016yes ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 05:33:38 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is crashing and bugs an android exclusive too? How about 3x the hardware but. .3x the performance?
armour666 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 05:53:15 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
19th century technology, now exclusive on Android
beugzman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:23:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ahahahahahahha
SaltyChorizo ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 07:59:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So archaic and primitive
1wsx10 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 08:02:40 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
in the world of engineering, the less complex solution is almost always considered the better one.
Zilveari ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 10:05:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This doesn't really make sense... Android is not a hardware manufacturer. It is the name of a mobile OS. And some Android phones will be coming out without headphone jacks. Samsung has been mulling it over for a while now.
ThatEvilGuy ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 11:16:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Android manufacturers just don't have "courage!"
wharpudding ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:57:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They also don't have a headphone company they're trying to boost sales for.
llPoptardll ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 12:50:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can still plug your headphones in.
DrZed400 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 13:08:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's so 2015....
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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L_Casagrande ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:24:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
it is a joooooke.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:53:14 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
no its just stupid. it would be funny if it woul be true.
L_Casagrande ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:37:32 on September 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
it's just to annoy Apple fans anyways, there's no need for something to be true in order to be funny. Whatever...
euratowel ยท -24 points ยท Posted at 22:42:28 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Prehistoric cavemen and their aux ports. Tsk tsk.
xeromage ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 23:13:48 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
RIP Square readers :(
4609203 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:43:41 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hello lightning Square readers!
Oh who am I kidding, Apple sucks
s0v3r1gn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:14:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The new ones are Bluetooth, since they have more to do with Chip and Pin cards than just reading a mag strip.
xeromage ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:49:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
am I crazy for thinking that broadcasting data like that over bluetooth is a bad idea? Are there bluetooth sniffers?
s0v3r1gn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:53:10 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's encrypted.
oddtoddious ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 23:40:00 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
The real problem here is that Apple users get iPhones because Droid phones are too hard for them to understand. So removing the audio jack is just too confusing for the iSheep casuals. Speaking in general terms of course, there are smart Apple users out there.
Edit: Adjusting grammar, although my point is already ruined by auto-correct.
GremmieCowboy ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:33:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So you call out people for not being able to "understand" how to use a Droid, yet you don't understand the difference between a contraction, a possessive and an adverb? That's outstanding.
gnimoCsIretniW ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:42:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Haha the irony!
TheHotMutton ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 01:46:06 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
As someone who works for Apple, I think it's a tough decision but ultimately good. Wireless , though expensive now, is the way to go. It provides the best experience for users- no tangeled cords, less damaged devices due to getting yanked, and more enjoyable usage due to not having a dangling and annoying wire . Also, sound quality through lightning connection offers higher quality . I think this decision is less about what is most convenient and more about optimizing the phone to offer the highest possible of quality . If you can buy a $649 phone, then you can buy wireless headphones or deal with their FREE adapter for the standard headphone jack.
rethyk ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:00:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
the real issue here is how do you charge your phone AND plug in your headphones at the same time?
TheHotMutton ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:45:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wouldn't do that , you'd use wireless to listen and then plug to charge. If your talking about a car for example, then you would be saying "let's not progress-- we still have old cars!" Which is totally fair, I'm not discounting your thoughts, but still you are being held back by older technology.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:46:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No.
FelanarLovesAlessa ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 02:34:25 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Wireless is the future.
Apple pushes the future.
Everyone whines and groans and ridicules.
A few years later, they will be on wireless and will have forgotten they ever used anything else.
So yeah, celebrate ancient technology. This too will pass.
EDITED: Typical. Being downvoted. You'll see. You'll all be on wireless sooner than you think, but go ahead and rant.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:55:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Unless they can produce or adopt a protocol that is fully open and lossless, while supporting more than two channels, I don't see it.
FelanarLovesAlessa ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:05:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not talking about Apple, I'm saying the entire industry will go wireless, including open standards.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:39:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I still doubt it. There will be circumstances and situations where analog and digital cabling are needed.
Freeadvicefromdanet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:52:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Blue toof is wireless. Having blue teef though not a good look in 2016.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 01:55:21 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love how many people are FUCKING OUTRAGED at this. I mean seriously - I didn't know Reddit (and Facebook, and anywhere else that posts Apple news) had so many users who are engineers.
I'm assuming the billion dollar business isn't going to do anything to effect their bottom line. I understand that there are people that say that the AirPods should have come in the box, but seriously, it's a business. People did the same freak out shit when they switched from 30 pin to Lightning and look, EVERYONE has Lightning enabled accessories.
I understand if you don't want to buy, but can we can the shit where we're acting like this is THE WORST THING EVAR!!!11!!!
avboden ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 02:47:41 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This many people complained when they removed the CD/DVD drive, and then when they ditched firewire, then when they ditched the 30pin connector.....you know what? It's worked for them every. single. time. I'm gonna give them the benefit of the doubt on this one that it's gonna work out just fine.
chambertlo ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 03:41:53 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, FFS. Stay in the past while the rest of technology passes you by.
/r/shitpost
Sherlock--Holmes ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 08:30:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a 25 year veteran programmer (C#, sql DBA). I use iPhones and love them. I've owned Android devices as recently as two years ago, and didn't like them as much. Frankly the money isn't an issue and I don't use earbuds, ever. The iPhone 7 is looking great to me.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 08:36:50 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
because you are a dumb american.
Sherlock--Holmes ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 08:48:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've lived on several continents and countries in the last 15 years. I don't see how that's relevant.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 09:00:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
living and being is not the same, kapish?
Sherlock--Holmes ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 09:30:49 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
So all of my worldly travels and living abroad don't count, you're more brilliant by default because you were BORN IN a self determined superior country. And you think that what we learn about the world at age 18 months is more relevant than when we are in our 30's.
Pretty sure you're the dumb shit in this thread. And an asshole too. Good day, my last post to you.
somekindofkevin ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 09:52:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Android is hot garbage headphone jack or not
pinekloud ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 11:04:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Android = always following
enoctis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:05:42 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apple = always gouging
knutarnesel ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 11:21:27 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The 6s still has a headphone jack, so no..
dr_tantis_moboggan ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 14:12:39 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What's next, a floppy drive for your phone? It's 2016!
livefreeordieusa ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 01:46:54 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I only use Bluetooth headphones. Fuck the jack.
Also I'm with Her vote Hillary, fuck Trump
YYCEggy ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 05:49:05 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
old technology has no place. same deal was with floppy disk , apple was the first one to get rid of it ... everyone was crying " that is so stupid ... no bring back floppy " ... shit... when was the last time you have seen floppy disk ? i bet most of you don't even know what one looks like ...
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 09:55:52 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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UPRC ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:06:09 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As someone who keeps the same phones for 3-4 years, the misconception that almost everyone does the above these days amuses me (since I can only think of one person I know who is like that).
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 10:19:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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wharpudding ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:03:16 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
LOL. No, it isn't. Cripes, most of the subsidized payment contracts are 2 years.
thatguyinstarbucks ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 11:52:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're all going to be onboard in 2 years. I haven't used wired headphones in a while and this is seriously the biggest fit I've seen the tech community through.
Besides, an adapter is in the box.
Good riddance to ancient technology, and Use some BluTooth.
wjoelbrooks ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 12:53:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I miss the 3.5" floppy drive on my computer, too.
Yufu81 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:32:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I miss my 5 1/4 floppy they made great personal fans
[deleted] ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 01:17:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nice try. Android fucking sucks and everyone knows it doesn't compare
GoodLuchaThing ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:20:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Enjoy your walled garden, peasant :)
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:01:29 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
๐ I throw $20s at bums like you daily just so I don't have to feel my heartless soul, dog.
Ishmaelstrom ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:26:46 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I found the butthurt apple fanboy who will pay 40 bucks for a 2 dollars headphone
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 02:28:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Indeed you have.
SlimmJimm01 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 00:20:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know what I like to do on my phone? Text and phone
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 02:36:43 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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Freeadvicefromdanet ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:46:01 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You sound brainwashed. The CD got rid of 3.5's. Not apple...also don't call 3.5's floppy.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:05:28 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Freeadvicefromdanet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:25:55 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Who you calling floppy?
Alienmade ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 03:04:35 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Primitive backward thinkers who don't understand change and would rather have everything comfortable how they want it with their teddy bears sucking their thumb will be primitive backward thinkers.
irule ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 13:41:37 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i am watching this and it looks so old... thank god Apple improves
ibrahim73 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 16:39:24 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i am totally and utterly upset by this! Why Apple? Why? Having said that, let me remind you that android is just a blatant shameless ripoff of the iOS. So without the apple, android wouldn't even exist, IMO!
breezecakeyum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:48:26 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And without Sony, the iPhone wouldn't exist. It's a never ending line of people poaching ideas.
So stop trying to sound elitist with your iOS is better than Android rhetoric. It just falls flat.
ibrahim73 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:12:59 on September 20, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
what the hell are you talking about? elitist? Im stating historical fact. What's sony got to do with anything i said? edit: ah ok, i get what you mean. Still...
stonefit ยท -32 points ยท Posted at 22:45:47 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'll trade a stupid headphone jack for waterproofing any day. Sign me up for bluetooth phones!
2718281828 ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 22:55:38 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There are waterproof phones with sealed headphone jacks.
Ninjasquirtle4 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:41:30 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think the Galaxy S5 is water proof.
Mousse_is_Optional ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:26:47 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is, I have one. Well, at least they say it is. I sure as fuck am not going to test that out, not on purpose at least.
RavioliSause ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:28:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have dropped mine in a lake before and it was perfectly fine. They advertise water resistant- not water proof though.
LanZx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:32:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also the S6/7/7E and the Sony Xperia Z series.
YouStupidBeeotch ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:38:48 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You realize there are waterproof phones with headphone jacks, right
dirkgently007 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:37:22 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not in the walled garden of apple land. And the fanbois don't know that there is a vast world beyond those walls.
nalleball ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:39:38 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There are waterproof phones with headphone jacks.
Jason_S_88 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:39:54 on September 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My xperia z3c has a headphone jack and is water proof. As are the various S7 variants. Removing the jack had nothing to do with water proofing
GoodLuchaThing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:13:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Galaxy S7 is IP68 waterproof with a headphone jack, and the iPhone 7 is only IP67 without it.
mikeysof ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:38:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
S7 is waterproof and has a headphone jack out in the open. I can't understand how Samsung can do this but Apple can't. The tech is there.
stonefit ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 01:23:36 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All you idiots: what happens if you don't reseal your headphone jack?
dirkgently007 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:41:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It still remains waterproof, you typical douche apple fanboy.
stonefit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:20:23 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey! I resemble that remark!
PowManiac ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 02:47:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People. The headphone jack is outdated. It takes up valuable space for a job that the lightning port can easily do even better. Also, they're giving you an adapter with the phone. Why are we acting like Apple said "Throw away your headphones...you're gonna buy these now"
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:49:00 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Love keeping a dongle attached to my phone. Guess I'd be okay with it if Bluetooth wasn't an abortion on iOS.
justinhiltz ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:57:14 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
you could leave said dongle attached to your headphones, if you wanted to be practical or sensible.
DFWFTW ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:12:11 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're right it's outdated. Unfortunately every phone, tablet, and audio device uses it except the new iPhone. Oh but they give you an adapter that way you can still use your existing headphones, awesome! Then you hear I'm sorry you lost the adapter, well you have a few choices if you still want to use this device for music, podcast, or whatever. You can 1. Buy a new adapter. 2. Buy a new set of Bluetooth headphones or speakers.
PowManiac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:29:02 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you lost your headphones wouldn't you do the same if you didn't have extras?
DFWFTW ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:01:03 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Let's say you lost both the adapter and your headphones because, well they plug into each other then what.
DFWFTW ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:17:45 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I understand they are trying to do something different and advance modern technology, but they aren't giving you reasonable options. If you want want to use something that is readily available you will have to use their adapter. If not, then you will have to buy a completely different type of product.
evilblackdog ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:49:07 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can you charge the phone and listen to headphones with the adapter?
PowManiac ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:52:48 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, most likely not. But where we lose some we gain some. More space means they can add more tech into the phone.
Freeadvicefromdanet ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:29:56 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
$2 headphones that now cost $169 that everyone will lose with an apple chipset it will license out to select companies with a free $34 adapter everyone will lose that cost 2c to make in bulk.
Sounds like a future we can believe in folks! Take a bite of the apple!
PowManiac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:34:19 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Bluetooth headphones are an extra item you can buy if you want them. You're not forced to buy them The adapter is $9.... I'm also certain headphone companies won't just ignore this move. Just like JBL has already done, they'll make them with lightning port connections instead.
King_Webb ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 01:16:59 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Praise be to all the bloat-wear that android support. Lag. Lag. Lag. Lag. Lag. Oh....yawn....thanks for waking me up....what was it that you wanted me to do again....oh make a phone call....sure can....I'm....getting....to....it.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:35:57 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Living back in 2007, Android is hardly the cluttered laggy mess it used to be.
dieselstation ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:52:51 on September 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't blame Android. Blame the manufacturers and carriers