"Baby was a virgin, that's what she said
So I gave her some Hennesey, she gave me some head"
Snoop Dogg
TrevWest ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:06:34 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can't even lie, I fuck better when I'm drankin
Ride dick like a pro, throw the pussy like I'm famous
Pussy feels so good, feels like the rubber off, ain't it?
You ain't gotta tell me, I know this pussy be yankin
This pussy be yankin, I know this pussy be yankin.
-Lady
Indigoh ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 21:20:34 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not even. It's followed by "To tell you I'm sorry for everything that I've done, but when I call you never seem to be home."
It might be harassment if the person ever picked up and told her to stop calling.
RixenRae ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 03:14:09 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
it would still be harassment. Dude is obviously avoiding her calls.
Indigoh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:22:06 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not by the legal definition.
(either harris-meant or huh-rass-meant) n. the act of systematic and/or continued unwanted and annoying actions of one party or a group, including threats and demands. The purposes may vary, including racial prejudice, personal malice, an attempt to force someone to quit a job or grant sexual favors, apply illegal pressure to collect a bill, or merely gain sadistic pleasure from making someone fearful or anxious. Such activities may be the basis for a lawsuit if due to discrimination based on race or sex, a violation on the statutory limitations on collection agencies, involve revenge by an ex-spouse, or be shown to be a form of blackmail ("I'll stop bothering you, if you'll go to bed with me"). The victim may file a petition for a "stay away" (restraining) order, intended to prevent contact by the offensive party. A systematic pattern of harassment by an employee against another worker may subject the employer to a lawsuit for failure to protect the worker.
Calling to apologize is not a threat or demand. The listed potential purposes are nowhere near either.
I wish I could. I was young and stupid and probably needed my older self to get some common sense in to me. I definitely didn't listen to anyone else.
cuteman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:43:55 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not even. It's followed by "To tell you I'm sorry for everything that I've done, but when I call you never seem to be home."
It might be harassment if the person ever picked up and told her to stop calling.
Don't forget that answering machines and voice-mail are a protected class, so you're really encroaching on their right to a safe space. You can be arrested depending on what feminists on Twitter had for lunch and what astrological moon phase it happens to be.
Every breath you take and every move you make. Every bond you break, every step you take, I'll be watching you.
GoatBased ยท 137 points ยท Posted at 20:13:41 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think the song is very, very sinister and ugly and people have actually misinterpreted it as being a gentle little love song, when it's quite the opposite.
I regretted it in the sense that I watched it at age 8 and was scared to sleep for several years. The little demon wielding the knife, then the psychological terror of the smoker.
audiyon ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:18:29 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The sign in OPs post is about a song referencing sexual harassment as normal. The song quoted above is not intended to be normal, its understood that it is about a stalker.
Before Reddit appropriated the term, 'OP' was only ever used to refer solely to the original poster, ie. one person. This kind of situation is evidence enough that the word has basically no meaning here.
Tift ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 19:32:11 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Weird? with lyrics like:
"Since you've gone I been lost without a trace
I dream at night I can only see your face
I look around but it's you I can't replace
I feel so cold and I long for your embrace
I keep crying baby, baby please"
"I think the song is very, very sinister and ugly and people have actually misinterpreted it as being a gentle little love song, when it's quite the opposite"
-Sting
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:40:26 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It makes me remember another song that I have heard a few month ago. It's form the 90's but for now I was old enough to listen and understand the lyrics. I (in fact, we) were disturbed by the "I wish you were a mermaid 'cause you would live in my bathtub" and "I wish to make you eat so you could not pass the door". It's not 100% the correct lyrics so I can't it
Sting later said he was disconcerted by how many people think the song is more positive than it is. He insists it is about the obsession with a lost lover, and the jealousy and surveillance that follow. "One couple told me 'Oh we love that song; it was the main song played at our wedding!' I thought, 'Well, good luck.'"[10] When asked why he appears angry in the music video Sting told BBC Radio 2, "I think the song is very, very sinister and ugly and people have actually misinterpreted it as being a gentle little love song, when it's quite the opposite."[11]
"Mom and dad can't help you anymore
Get in the car we'll drive far to the edge of the shore
Under the docks
On top of the rocks
Knock knock knock knock
Why the fuck are the doors locked?!"
-as well as every other line, Macaulay McCulkin, The Fall of Troy
moeburn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:47:09 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Doing crystal meth, will lift you up until you break
It won't stop, I won't come down
I keep stock with the tick-tock rhythm, I bump for the drop
And then I bumped up, I took the hit that I was given
Then I bumped again, then I bumped again
I want something else, to get me through this
semi-charmed kinda life, baby, baby
Oddly enough this song is almost guaranteed to be played at wedding receptions.
Correction, maybe not as many as it used to be.
There is also the song "don't stand (so close to me)", people also love that song when it's about a Lolita type relationship between a teacher and student.
When I think about it, people clearly do not pay attention to the lyrics of the police songs.
I actually had to deal with this my first year of law school when I lived on campus. EVERY FUCKING NIGHT some fuckers called my number and panted, "I want to eat your pussy."
Every. Fucking. Night. They'd laugh hysterically like little boys after I'd say please call someone else/my pussy stinks/I have homework/how can you not be bored calling the same girl each night. Sometimes multiple calls in the same night. Usually they were nice enough not to call past midnight, but a few times they called at 2am and I really wanted to fuck them up.
The police got involved and set up a sting where I'd meet up with one guy in a library on-campus. I had 4 cops in my room listening in on the call, trying not to laugh as I tried to keep the guy on the line, then one fool cop who didn't turn his radio volume down accidentally alerted the callers.
Turned out to be two other guys IN MY FUCKING YEAR who lived one floor below me. Since the numbers for the on-campus law students were all very similar, I suppose they randomly dialed similar numbers until they found a female. These were grown-ass "men" who tortured me with calls and I could not change my number (mid-90s) as it was a campus number (private property, would not permit call-blocking, caller ID or tracing). 20k in tuition alone, and these fools were making crank calls.
Yes. These were the young, bright lawyers of the future.
Edit: If you two little shits are reading this, Miko told me the bald one had a tiny dick.
MulderD ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 23:40:31 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, they had to practice their sexual harassment in college so it would be polished for the work place.
If the bald one didn't have a tiny dick, would you want him trying to prove Miko wrong?
It's interesting how people in today's society complain about the patriarchy and then judge/insult people by calling them tiny-dicked virgins. Makes you wonder who's actually reinforcing the behavior you hate.
... Are you complaining about feminism because the woman called the cops on guys that were clearly harassing her?
And how does calling out someone's tiny dick hypocritical of wanting equality of genders? It's not.
Where did the virgin comment come from? It really just sounds like you might be projecting if you're adding in details that didn't exist.
merrickx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:23:10 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
because the woman called the cops on guys that were clearly harassing her?
They were obviously complaining because of the tiny dick comment, specifically. In any case though, they sound like an idiot, but we don't need to make disingenuous remarks to see that.
And how does calling out someone's tiny dick hypocritical of wanting equality of genders? It's not.
Depends entirely on who you're asking, like the "gendered slur" complainers who sometimes have something to say about the dickheads using words like "bitch".
Are you complaining about feminism because the woman called the cops on guys that were clearly harassing her?
Nope.
And how does calling out someone's tiny dick hypocritical of wanting equality of genders? It's not.
Why did you ask me if you were going to answer your own question? As far as where the hypocrisy lies: if your main problem is the oppression from one gender trying to enforce their masculinity in another, perhaps you shouldn't validate that behavior by implying a deficit in that masculinity is something to be insulted or ashamed by.
Where did the virgin comment come from? It really just sounds like you might be projecting if you're adding in details that didn't exist.
Well, clearly I am only 12 if you've been following the desperate complaints of individuals wanting some superiority over me, I thought being a virgin at that age was okay? This is terrible news, I have to try harder to have sex to feel validated, whether I'm emotionally ready or not!
Blue_24 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:18:23 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And how does calling out someone's tiny dick hypocritical of wanting equality of genders? It's not.
It is, actually. It's the equivalent of telling a girl her vagina isn't tight enough (you consider that sexist right?). I knew a girl in highschool that tried to kill herself over such a comment, and I know men who don't date because they think their penises are too small. Gential shaming just widens the divide between men and women while erasing the bodies of trans and intersex people (it normalises only two kinds of genitals).
No, I don't. Because it's not. Guys can call other guys tiny dicks, girls can call guys tiny dicks. Guys call girls bitches. Girls call girls bitches.
Name calling is not a gender issue. That's such a non issue.
Blue_24 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:34:53 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
what? I didn't talk about name calling. This tells me that you're not responding to my comments but rather what you think I'm going to say.
I never used the words "bitch" or "name calling" in the above comment. If you read that somewhere, it was was different user in a different comment. Genital shaming is not the same thing as name calling.
He can't prove Miko wrong. His dick is tiny. She wouldn't lie.
Stop your bitchass whining about "patriarchy". Did you see me complaining about that? No. Someone calling my line several hundred times for months on end is the definition of harassment whether I'm female or male and whether they are female or male. What's this patriarchy nonsense? Their conduct was illegal. They nearly got tossed out of school on top of it.
You didn't complain about that--so it is unfair to lump you in with those who do--but I think his point still has some merit. Granted, you didn't personally identify them and it's not likely they'll ever see this (though you addressed it to them specifically in case they do), but you did decide--evidently after your initial post--to insult one of them by saying you heard he had a small dick. Everything you said about them prior was demonstrably warranted, and then you decided you had to throw that in. What does that have to do with anything? You obviously meant it as an insult, but how does it apply?
I (and, I would guess, Phantom) am not saying that you, individually, are bad person or a hypocritical person for going there, but rather that's it's demonstrative of some sort of societal double standard. You felt comfortable saying it because it's generally considered acceptable. If the roles were reversed--if a man gave a long story about a woman harassing him and rightly condemning her actions, and then threw in "oh by the way she's got a gross vagina"--you can bet it would not be well received by reasonable people. I'm not saying "it's not fair! I want to use a woman's physical features as a catch-all insult!" I don't want to do that. I'm saying that if we poo-poo judging or insulting women based on their physical features (even when they have no bearing on what they did to earn an insult), then we should also poo-poo judging a man in the same way.
And, please note, I'm not directing this toward women only. Men use the same insults against other men all the time, and I don't regard that any differently. Edit: So I guess all the downvoting is to say "yes, we DO want to selectively insult people based on physical traits unrelated to something actually deserving of criticism" ? Or am I just a Bad Person by proxy (to Phantom), despite having a distinctly different take? I guess the negative reaction--but complete lack of response--shows that these questions are apparently too difficult to address, so we'll just bury them instead. Who would've known...
Ok, admittedly I didn't read your entire thesis because I am lazy. But I will say this: if any person, man or woman, engages in illegal conduct and, for example, calls me 300 times over a several month period with panting of "I want to eat your pussy" (and sometimes other variations of the same), I do not owe them polite behavior or respect.
and then threw in "oh by the way she's got a gross vagina"--you can bet it would not be well received by reasonable people.
I don't care about how other people would receive my comments about those two guys. And, if women did the same thing, I would feel they'd deserve any crass comment made anonymously on Reddit to them.
That is the beauty of living in a free country. We can insult as we wish, so long as its done within certain parameters (such as not in an employment situation). My insulting them is legal. They don't like it? Tough shit.
I can call those guys (who got caught) a limp-dicked motherfucker. If a woman did the same thing to a guy he could likewise call her a nasty whore-ass bitch, or whatever comment he liked. Some may not like it, but as I say, tough shit.
I have no idea where the other dude is coming up with "patriarchy" nonsense. I'm not of that generation to begin with and it was not even an issue in my post.
Yes, my comment was crass and childish, but I enjoyed saying it, and I owed those two zero respect. I don't care if I offend other men. Its not about other men. Its about two men who did illegal things for months on end, and nearly got kicked out of law school for it. These morons risked their future, at a school with tuition of 20k a year, risked not getting admitted to the bar given the background check, all because they felt they needed to call me 300 times and discuss my pussy.
If a woman did that to a guy, he's free to say anything disrespectful right back.
Since when do we own people who commit criminal acts some sort of respect when anonymously commenting about them on Reddit?
I'm not about safe spaces. I could care less. Patriarchy? Where the hell did that dipshit come up with that?
He is trying to create issues where none exist, then attempting to laugh it off because he looks stupid, makes no sense and is trying to save face.
It seems a little backwards to not read my entire "thesis" and then write something equally as long. But I've read your every word because, well, why not?
No one's saying your prank callers aren't deserving of ridicule, or at least I'm not. You're fully justified. And so far as I've seen, no one's challenged your freedom of speech either. I'm not questioning the legality of your insults. I assumed all of that was a given.
What's evidently not a given is that I don't agree with much of the other guy's general direction, and did not chime in to form an alliance with him. I thought my own direction sufficiently demonstrated that, but I guess one could miss it if they didn't read it. I'm not here to denounce feminism, or defend all men, or even defend those two boys on the phone. I was really just examining the insult itself--not your specific use or his specific targeting, just its general existence (using your specific instance as an example for its general use). Why go there when it has no real bearing on most situations, especially when (as in your case) there is an abundance of evident and objectively worse qualities to insult? Given the overwhelmingly negative reaction--and, up til now, zero actual response--I can see that they're questions no one wants to answer. Because having to answer them, I suspect, takes all the fun out of it. So carry on, I guess. I'll see myself out.
Blue_24 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:20:45 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
what I don't understand is how someone so well written gets downvoted so hard.
You didn't give an opinion on the two boys at all. You critiqued the language.
Well, thanks!
I think there's a lot of different things that go into downvoting (and upvoting), more than it's probably worth to go into now. It frustrates me a little more than it should in part because I don't usually downvote anything, even things addressed to me. I guess there's a "generational" divide wherein people who've used the Internet long before reddit don't think of the voting as a complete form of expression. Or maybe it's just me!
Why go there when it has no real bearing on most situations, especially when (as in your case) there is an abundance of evident and objectively worse qualities to insult?
Answer: Because those little shits tortured me for six months straight and I could not stop it. I had to move out and live with my boyfriend at one point. They committed criminal acts. They had to pay no price.
And, he did have a small dick (as I said, Miko would not lie).
So, why did I say it? Because it fucking felt GOOD! Also, this is Reddit. An informal forum. I'm not about to put in deep effort into thinking up better insults. I have better things to do with my time. Like pet my dog.
BTW: I felt I owed it to you to read the entirety of your post as you took the time and care to post it.
It's not a question of whether or not he deserves to be insulted: it's been well established that he does. It's not a question of whether or not it feels good to insult him; it's obviously cathartic. It's not even a question of whether or not the insult is true. It's a question of why the insult/truth matters, why it feels good to go there specifically. (Part of me also wonders why your good friend was in any position to see this awful boy's dick, but that's beside the point.) I know they're not questions you want to entertain on an informal forum, but I think they're worth examining sometime.
Why? Why the need for a deep, philosophical discussion on this? You are welcome to ponder what you see as a fascinating issue if that interests you.
I will continue to call assholes "limpdick" or whatever appropriate, cathartic term feels right (different insults for women) and feel no need to do dig deep inside as to the why.
Edit: In fairness to you, it is a reasonable and potentially interesting thing now that I think about it a bit more, but I suppose that would involve an analysis of social, personal, and psychological matter and my personal morals, values, how to right a wrong, etc. And, I just want to drink my hot chocolate.
More Edit: Why did Miko see Jason's (I finally remember his name... I think) dick. We were not yet sure he was the guy calling. She was a really nice, but very weak person who needed male validation (to the point where she dated men that cheated on her and walked all over her and she allowed it and coddled them like little boys). She was stunningly beautiful as well. And when she told me she had a crush on him...HIM...I couldn't understand at that age.
Now I understand. She was depressed, going through a divorce, was a bit older at 30 (most of us were about 23-24), and she needed some validation. Limpdick honed in on that, and realized that if he pretended not to care about her, she's chase him more. She was so far out of his league not just in looks, but in quality of a person. She was so kind, giving, generous and he was a snide, little shit who was generally disliked by most, and kept up this "ghetto" persona with his "pussy calling" buddy. (Don't ask how they got accepted into law school. There were no face-to-face interviews.)
So, one night Limpdick and his pussy buddy spend the night at my place. I have my room to myself. Miko hooks up with Limpdick in another room and his pussy buddy either slept on my couch or went downstairs to his room. Later, Miko tells me she gave him oral sex, to which I said, "WHAT? Why? He never was nice to you at all, never took you out to coffee a single time, never wanted to even get to know you."
And, after him, she moved on to another boyfriend who treated her like dirt, and our friendship fell apart. Last I heard, she's not a lawyer (never was) is still incredibly beautiful at 47 or so (looks 30) and has 2 kids. I think she's single, and I really hope she's happy. I miss her and our fun times.
It's not meant to be philosophical; if anything, it's sociological. And it was less an invitation for discussion, here, now, and with me--as it's beyond clear that no one here wants to have it--but more a suggestion of something to ponder when dogs and cocoa are unavailable. You evidently found it at least a little intriguing after giving it more than a moment's thought, so it wouldn't necessarily be a terrible waste of time when you're not not in the mood for it.
I suppose (now that I have my hot chocolate with a bit of liqueur to relax my back)...if I remember the original question...to say it is an easy insult. Its quick, straight to the point and if he were to hear it, it would hurt.
Now, if I knew he was here and would read this, I would not say it. Maybe 20 years ago I would have, but now I wouldn't. Because that's malicious, and while he deserved no sympathy from me, he can't change his dick size.
I suppose the 'why' is when we want to insult someone quickly and effectively, we go for the jugular. For a woman, I know if I comment on her weight, it will kill her (I was once overweight, and the comments killed me). If she's hot, and a babe and smart, and kind - well...I can't think of any insult unless she did something so egregious that just telling her alone that she did a rotten thing would be effective enough.
I don't like the idea of hurting someone. I'm older than the typical Redditor and looking back to some of my behavior in my 20s makes me cringe here and there.
But, had I confronted Limpdick in person - I think maybe I would've still ripped him to shreds in other areas that would sting (his awkwardness, lack of friends, the ghetto shit for a white guy) because those phone calls really were out of control. At times I'd end up pleading wit them, "guys, this is stupid, call someone else, how can you possibly get enjoyment out of this?"
And, until I involved the cops, I could not get it to stop. It sucked. Averaged about 2-3 calls a night.
That's all essentially what I've been driving at. A man's dick is small, a woman's body is fat, a beautiful person is hard to insult... "going for the jugular" tends to entail a person's sexual value, regardless of whether or not that has any bearing on what they did to elicit being insulted, whether or not it's necessarily factual (or sincere), and served on top of (perceived as the lowest blow) whatever other insults are earned. When we seek to diminish a person, we do so by insulting their manhood/womanhood... it's simultaneously a complex psychological construct and a primitive instinct. What's really fascinating to me in this particular case is that you enjoy doing so "behind his back" so to speak, but would never do it to his face (even though you would tear him to ribbons for other things worthy of ridicule). Maybe insulting a person's sexual prowess does more for the insulter than it does the insultee. On the other hand, when directed straight at the person, it can be an easy way to press their berserk button, or simply emotionally devastate them.
Anyway, is this really so bad? This is all I was getting at, and I'm still a little dumbfounded that I got dogpiled for it. Of all my comments, I never thought something like this would be the one to piss off so many. I never would've even thought to bring it up if the other guy hadn't made his comment, either. Reddit's a funny place.
(Incidentally, I became the subject of prank calls in college, too. I just unplugged the phone for a month, which I could afford to do since I never really got any other calls on my campus line anyway. I'm not saying that's what you should've done, just sharing.)
I have no idea why you got downvoted. I think people didn't even bother to read what you wrote, which was more of a curious question as to why I, and people in general, feel the sweet pull of directing an insult to whom we feel is deserving of it.
And of course once people start the downvote train, most everyone jumps on without thinking through the matter themselves.
One thing - I wouldn't tell him to his face that he had a small dick because he can't change that and he wasn't a monster (just a huge pest). And at my age, saying that would look pretty ridiculous. I could say other things that truly reflected his shitty character, but had I said those things back then, he would not have cared and probably would have felt some pride.
I suppose its just as you say - its cathartic. When we are wronged, we want some justice. He didn't even get a slap on the wrist! Never apologized to me, nothing. So my feelings towards him were not warm.
Reddit is often a strange place. We all like to think we are immune to the hive mind, but just looking at a comment that has many downvotes automatically qualifies it as a 'negative' or 'bad' comment to us before we even read it.
Given that a good chunk of the users won't even read something (myself included, but I won't downvote unless I read the entirety of a comment), its no surprise that people jump on the bandwagon.
I saw nothing wrong with your initial comment. It was more of "hey, I wonder why you wanted to say this" in a sense of why did I go in that (penis) direction?
You were not judging me or discussing some patriarchy nonsense or accusing me of lying about the whole issue. Instead, you showed an uncommon interest in a crass comment I made, which also ended up piquing my interest on the matter.
Nothing wrong with that! There's a lot of everyday behavior that we all do without really thinking about why. It's interesting to pause and examine these things now and again, that's all. If only we had the ability to figure out what the hell drove those boys of yours...
Probably, but as you said, they seemed unusually dedicated and fixated on you. It just goes to show you that trolls existed long before the Internet was born.
On that note, this kindasorta reminds me of a story of a woman harassed by a boy, seemingly out of boredom and free from repercussion. It provided some insight about the boy that I think we all know is true of his ilk, deep down. Given some thematic parallels, however broad, it might be worth a read (or listen; there's a podcast link at the bottom of the article), if you haven't already.
The time of night and my own liqueur are taking their effects, so I'm out... I'm glad this all turned out the way it did!
Probably, but as you said, they seemed unusually dedicated and fixated on you. It just goes to show you that trolls existed long before the Internet was born.
The crowd is fickle. Tomorrow I'll say the same thing but in a different crowd and get lambasted.
Read the text properly, dipshit. In 1995 you were stuck with the line the university gave you. It was their system. You could not block or trace incoming calls even with police involvement. All private property. I realize you are trying to sound clever by being vague, but you just sound more stupid than before.
Hmmm...yes...you read that I called the cops, they did what the could, caught the kids, reported to admin and they nearly got kicked out of school. Jesus, do you not have basic reading comprehension skills? Buhbye.
It appears so!!! The worst part was he tried wearing a baseball cap in class and one teacher (first week) had a rule of no caps. In front of 80 students he had to stand up and remove it. And all it did was attract a whole heap of attention to it.
Nobody cared that he was suffering from premature baldness, but it was his effort to hide with with a cap (what did he think he was going to do in 3 years after he got admitted to the bar? Appear at trial with a basesball hat?)
chobi83 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:34:31 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're assuming he thought that far into the future. Considering with what he did to you, I'd be surprised if he thought past dinner time, lol
Are you mildly retarded? In that other post a girl said she wanted to die and why should a stranger like me care. I explained that even if I never met her, I care and want her to live.
And you are whining that I somehow owe empathy to some guy stirring up trouble with no basis and being a little bitch about it?
Ergo, all empathetic people must be nice to everyone, even if they are assholes? Because that is your contention.
That's not what empathy means, moron. Go back under the rock from which you came, and get that absolutely meaningless Taylor Swift defensive line ("haters gonna hate!") out of your repertoire of rejoinders. It makes you sound like a 14 year old.
Ok, cocksucker, let's get this straight. The 300 calls didn't "hurt" me, they drove me nuts and interfered with my life. I lost sleep while spending 20k in tuition on the very important first year of law school. I'd have to study outside my own room. Or, leave my room completely for a few weeks. The calls lasted all year long.
And, when someone does that, particularly when its illegal, I have every single right to be nasty.
Just as you being stupid also gives me the right (according to my morals) to say, "shut the fuck up, you whiny bitch, get your thumb out of your ass and go back to watching your Taylor Swift videos."
Call tracing has actually been possible since the '60s; the dramatic moments you see in movies? Those are from when landline tracing actually took more than a few seconds. By the mid-nineties, any landline could be instantly traced - the person I'm exchanging words with is either lying, was lied to, never contacted the police, or any number of things, but the hilarious "they can't trace the call notion!" when she had 4 policemen on a sting? Ridiculous.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:28:50 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I am quite surprised that the PBX call data was not used by the university to eject the student from the accommodation.
The school wanted his money. By the time we graduated, tuition was at 22k a year. First year on-campus housing was also fortune.
I could have pressed charges and pushed it further, but I really did not want to ruin his future all over stupid behavior. They stopped calling, I let it go and who knows if they grew up.
Flash604 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:30:43 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow... aren't you a big asshole.
But since you're harassing the lady now, I guess you saw nothing wrong with what they did back then.
I realize you're probably 12 and don't know that the world and technology changes a lot. I was an adult during that time period, and she is right, it would not be something simple to stop.
Grow up. Unless you are 12, in which case shut up until you grow up.
Huge asshole, but I'm not harassing this lady at all: we are engaged in an exchange of words, mature or not. Were she to stop engaging me and I to continue (or vice versa) that would be harassment. Look at me, only 12 years old and clearly smarter than you.
Flash604 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:38:40 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Justify it all you want, you are harassing. Oh, and you're also very wrong.
That wasn't a justification, it was a definition of harassment. Wow, getting schooled by a little kid, this is embarrassing for you.
Blue_24 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:24:02 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
you're right. it's wrong to mock someone's genitals, and it's sexually discriminating.
OP is also right, those two boys were harassing her and are basically human garbage.
The basis of the insult is that his penis is small, somehow making him less of a man. Every time a small dick joke happens we're reinforcing the idea that men have to always want straight sex with their huge cock or they aren't masculine enough. So some men who don't always want sex or have smaller penises (or just THINK they do) feel shitty about themselves. Similarly, it creates a perception that women all want men with big dicks, which is not true. Women as a group have many different desires and opinions on penile size.
Lots of men have erectile dysfunction and depression linked to their perception that women will mock their penises. I've dated a few, and it's totally fucked up. It's pretty emotionally wrenching to have to stop in the middle of sex to comfort a man over his size-perception related ED.
Ladies, it's just crass and cruel to mock men based on their penises. It's the equivalent of telling a girl her vagina isn't tight enough, which hopefully you can empathise with. I'm sure you can find personality traits, blunders, and other things to mock without insulting someone's sexual identity in the process. "You're an asshole" is a standard insult that works with pretty much everyone, for example.
I am a trans man and I have passed as both a woman and a man in many different scenarios, including dating. From my perspective, sexism has two sides to every issue. Women historically have been forced to cut out autonomy (voting, jobs, abortion, etc) while men are forced stifle their emotions through hyper masculinizing themselves resulting in dysfunctional relationships.
Lastly, note to people reading this: I don't think what those boys did was right. I think was unconscionable. This post is unrelated to the actions of those boys.
It's inverting the asshole's mentality and turning it back against them. A dirty gesture in a foreign culture means nothing to me, but I'd use it against someone with whom it had meaning, if they were being a fuck wit.
Are you just ignorant in understanding this, or are you making an attempt to start an argument?
It was an observation on initiating behavior: if your great ire was that someone was harassing you, would you do something to encourage further harassment? See, that's a sincere question, not an option between two extremely defined situations designed to make you feel superior from the offset.
So on the topic of ignorance, this must be pretty embarrassing for you - not having been able to pick up on the obvious intent of my comment.
โsexual harassmentโ or unwelcome sexual advances, requests for sexual favors, and other verbal or physical harassment of a sexual nature.
So A. Calling someone nonstop someone because you used to fuck and you'd like to pick that back up counts.
And B. The psych comeback? Seriously? How's 8th grade treating you?
longbr83 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:36:52 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you understand the sexual part in sexual harassment? If not, there's a dictionary and 50 states with laws on the books that can help you define the sexual part of harassment.
Oh for fuck's sake are you really so dense as to not realize that sexual harrassment doesn't have to be you poking someone with your dick?
Unwanted sexual advances are part of the fucking definition. If you're trying to get with someone and time 999 doesn't work. Going for number 1000 over qualifies as an unwanted advance.
Unwanted sexual advances are part of the fucking definition
Phone calls aren't unwanted sexual advances. You don't know what someone is calling about until you pick up.
If they called you once about sex however, and you ignore the next 999 calls then yeah, i could see that being sexual harrassment, but phone calls alone aren't.
longbr83 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:16:22 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
unwanted SEXUAL advances.. you said it yourself. Calling an ex over and over would qualify as harassment. It would NOT qualify as sexual harassment UNLESS the conversations are sexual in nature. Jesus I'd love to hear you argue this point in a courtroom.
Okay. Let me try one last time before I peace out.
You said it yourself that itd qualify if the phone call is sexual in nature.
So, for a phone conversation to qualify as sexual: does it need to be "hey baby let's fuck?" On repeat?
Or, Could it just be an attempt to reestablish a sexual relationship?(which was the example I used?)
Because I hate to break it to you but if you ask someone out at your job and they ignore/reject you, and then you ask then out 999 more times you're going to get fired for sexual harrassment.
longbr83 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:34:13 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, at your job because that is a professional setting and they have specific rules outlined for those issues. You'd get fired, not charged. Again, it would depend on the nature of the phone calls. I can agree that an ex calling over and over is likely to cross that line of sexual harassment if you're willing to acknowledge just phone calls over and over in the context of the quote is NOT sexual. The lyrics are literally "I must have called a thousand times to tell you I'm sorry for everything I've done."
So....are you arguing that it's sexual harrassment in a work setting, but not in the real world? Because it would definitely be grounds for a protection order too.
And for the song quote:
"Hello, can you hear me
I'm in California dreaming about who we used to be"
Is specifically what comes to my mind.
Call up an ex and say: "hey babe, just had a dream about us." x1000
Let me know how the police take it.
longbr83 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:27:00 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, idiot, I'm arguing that you're talking about two different things. In the context of the sign, it would be a conversation about sexual harassment outside of a work place. Secondly, if that is the line of the song that you feel randomly justifies calling out some song lyric as "normalizing sexual harassment" then maybe that's the lyric that they should have posted. Even still, you don't seem to understand that just because you want something to be sexual in nature because you feeeeel like it is, doesn't mean it now fits the legal definition. I swear if you actually just learned what defines a legitimate charge of sexual harassment, you'd quit replying on here like a fool.
Ioangogo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:49:06 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That part if the song is flawed, at the beginning she says she's in California, now, the fact the was born in England makes me think she's calling a Brit.
Imagine breaking up with someone who hurt you, and then have her call you a thousand times. Your phone constantly ringing and you start avoiding and ignoring your phone, but your ex keeps calling and it keeps ringing.
How long before you call the police and get a restraining order.
It is your ex. They probably want to have sex again. That are harassing you on to phone to get you to have sex with them.
It is harassment, to get sex.
It seems fairly reasonable to call that sexual harassment.
longbr83 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:15:12 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You have no idea what the intention is. I hear some relationships are based on more that just sex. While it is part of a relationship, I doubt many broken up couples have conversations about just sex.
There are normal broken up couples who don't. I totally agree.
Then there are broken up couples where one person calls the other person 100's of times a week.
And you are right, some times they may be calling 100's of times a week because they want to play cards or watch TV. But lets be real here. A large number of times a person who is obsessively calling an ex that much is looking for more than just a friend.
And again I said
They probably want to have sex again.
Not always. But I don't think you can say it is NOT sexual harassment. You can say there is a chance it isn't. But if I were able to place a bet at even odds, and the only information I had available was that they were ex lovers and one of them is calling the other 100's of times and I could bet on if that person was trying to have sex again with said former lover... I would bet they were. Every single time I would take that bet.
longbr83 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:37:30 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is a fair reply. My entire point was to distinguish between harassment and sexual harassment. Many of the responses are trying to head-cannon the intention of these calls in and call it what they want.
ameoba ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:47:11 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sexual harassment isn't just some dude at work saying "ay babe u want sum fuk?". Constantly hounding somebody who has repeatedly rejected you to go out on date is widely considered sexual harassment as well.
An ex-lover "calling a thousand times" to get you to come back to them fits in the same category. They're not exactly trying to sell you life insurance...
If you're going to point something out about that phrase, why wouldn't you point out harassment period? Serious stalker status could be just a few more lyrics later.
tgm4883 ยท 227 points ยท Posted at 17:38:44 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just toured a bunch of college campuses with my brother in law and there seems to be a big push on awareness for sexual harassment/assault. We saw these types of posters at almost every college.
My college said even signed consent forms before and after sex wouldn't hold in a student judicial case, as they could make the argument that they were "coerced" into signing it. If one gets accused of rape, one is basically fucked to hell in most colleges.
[deleted] ยท 251 points ยท Posted at 19:03:12 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My college is just a college. People go there for learning so they can get their degree.
People go to the police to report anything serious like assault.
[deleted] ยท 185 points ยท Posted at 19:24:31 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
honestly. I'm a huge supporter of sexual assault victims, but there's no fucking way I would trust a university to handle a sexual assault charge. It's not right; they are not the police.
*edit: I'm a huge supporter of sexual assault victims being treated respectfully and getting justice. In case that was not clear.
While there may be sworn law enforcement at the school (for instance our university police are state constables, with more jurisdiction than the local police), I agree that the school should not be involved. There is too much of a chance of bias in either direction and the students involved do not have the protections they would in a criminal justice setting. We had two student workers in such a dispute, and we made sure they were not scheduled at the same time while the investigation went on. No charges were filed, and both requested to continue to not be scheduled with the other, which we honored.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:09:05 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's probably a better way of putting it/better understanding than what I said.
The school should not be involved in anything except educating their students. I dunno when our education system got so political. Let the school and the student body be separate entities.
Lilliu ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:31:05 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a huge supporter of sexual assault victims
Everyone is, no one deserves that. But certain people are trying to act like no one cares.
Schools don't prevent the student from filing a police report. They just give the student another option in case they don't want to go to the Police. This is in the US under Title IX, not sure about other countries.
The problem is that US school's title 9 "courts" can screw over guys who have done nothing wrong. Recently there was a man acquitted of sexual assault by the judicial system who was still expelled and banned by a title 9 court.
I'm not familiar with the case, but I wonder if he was expelled because he broke a campus rule that was more restrictive? Sadly, as with any system its not perfect. I feel for that guy, it must be extremely frustrating.
If i read those and i was still in school, I'd be paranoid to even be left alone in a room with a girl. That first article makes it look like that Amherst student has a good case on his hands. It truly is terrifying.
It is when you consider that those courts require only a "Preponderance of evidence" to convict, the defendants are typically not allowed counsel and cannot submit evidence, they cannot cross-examine, and you have students and faculty running these courts in their spare time rather than trained professionals.
Getting banned from post secondary education has serious effects on lifelong earnings and career prospects.
We use the preponderance standard for everything - if someone sues you for damages, that is the standard being used. While I think you have a stronger point regarding untrained professionals handling these, the students/faculty are there as representatives of the university community and they get to decide whether you've broken a university rule and whether you should remain a part of that community.
I think some perspective is important here. While Title IX requires that schools investigate sexual harassment cases, typically these student/faculty bodies deal mostly with non-sexual conduct violations - drug dealing, fights, stalking, cheating etc. Expulsion is the harshest penalty they can hand out and is only used for the most heinous cases.
Most of the time they dole out community service, they make you take some classes or ask that you get treatment. Sometimes they will give a semester long suspension with the opportunity for you to be readmitted should you fulfill their requirements and show some remorse. I've even seen situations where conditions are placed so that if you do everything right and don't run into any more issues you can ask to have the disciplinary flag removed from your file.
Sexual assault is a criminal charge not a civil one, hence the higher standard is needed.
Expulsion is the harshest penalty they can hand out and is only used for the most heinous cases.
Look at recent cases and proposed changes at many schools.
they make you take some classes or ask that you get treatment
Which is crazy because so many men have done nothing and have been railroaded into admitting to doing something they have not done in order to finish school.
I think you're mixing things a bit. Sexual assault is indeed a crime, and that crime is handled by the state and in a court of law. What these schools are addressing are violations of the rules of conduct at that school which also prohibit sexual assault.
Look at recent cases and proposed changes at many schools
Could you provide some examples? I don't know what else they could possibly do other than kick you out.
Um, as a matter of fact, Campus officers are actually usually sworn in officers and take the same police training alongside state police. The security officers are usually the lower-tier not sworn officers, but still in training. It's just a different jurisdiction that they are in charge of.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:55:07 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for the condescending little ummm.
I don't honestly care what their training is. They are not police. They are not part of the justice system. I would not and will not trust them with personal information. Assault charges, sexual and other, belong with the police.
aidsfish ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:56:48 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
On most campuses they have a few real police officers and the rest security guards, really depends where you go. Not really important either way
No problem! But the point still stands that in the majority of State and private institutions around America, they are actual Officers of law. Many are actually state officers assigned to the college if its a state run institution. This is why they can arrest you, they can ask for your id, and why they are often called to assist other local police. I am not saying you have to trust them, trust the job they do, or even like them. But you do have to acknowledge the fact that if your campus police have any regular titles assigned to them, they are actually that rank in our judicial system.
If you just want to fuck over your ex, report it to the campus "sexual assault" office.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:44:29 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would never go to the school for something like that because the school is in an extremely bad place ethically speaking to be making those decisions.
If it's not zero tolerance you effectively are saying to prospective students and parents that there is a chance, however small, that if they or their child is raped and unable to prove it the rapist has a chance to walk free.
I hate to say it boils down to PR but when the choice is fuck one person over royally or get ensnared in a lawsuit/media fiasco that could destroy a college 100+ years old that's a huge amount of pressure in favor of irrational and sometimes unjust actions.
They're a school, not an arm of the justice system. They really are not equipped or positioned to make the decisions here.
I have a feeling that PR nightmare is going to flip if it hasn't already. There have been too many high profile cases of guys getting railroaded in addition to a bunch of smaller lawsuits.
Just as it is not just for rapists to be exonerated, it is not just for innocents to be punished. There are thousands of years of precedent behind the presumption of innocence even in heinous cases, and we should not throw out justice because of a few misguided SJWs.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:25:18 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My hope is the situation finds a middle ground that protects the innocent and punishes the guilty. Right now as it's coming to mainstream attention I don't think any school is really prepared to deal with the issue.
mackay92 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 21:34:52 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
that if they or their child is raped and unable to prove it the rapist has a chance to walk free.
Yea, that whole "innocent until proven guilty" thing is a real bitch, isnt it?
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:28:11 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't matter from a perception perspective. Their interests are maintaining enrollment and funding which is why I don't think the school should have anything to do with it.
there is a chance, however small, that if they or their child is raped and unable to prove it the rapist has a chance to walk free.
This is a cornerstone of the American justice system and an almost universally supported moral and legal principle: "better the guilty go free than even one innocent be punished."
Schools like zero tolerance policies because it means they don't have to actually think about cases or take on any responsibility.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:35:01 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Schools like zero tolerance policies because it means they don't have to actually think about cases or take on any responsibility.
That sounds really good doesn't it? It sure sounds good to me and it's a nice tidy way to stop thinking about the issue since I found a conclusion that suits my sensibilities. Reality be damned.
Any time a reason for something 100% validates your viewpoint and leaves you with a justice boner and warm feelings inside over how right you get to be you've got to at least pause and wonder if that's the whole story. Issues like this aren't that simple.
Real adults who spend decades administering large and complex organizations have to take into consideration the impact their decisions make on enrollment, funding, public perception and the future of multi million dollar institutes.
They can be doing all of that with the complete best of intentions and the result can still be catastrophic for the individual who is unfortunate enough to be caught in the situation.
The wrong thing can be done for what are otherwise good intentions which is why the schools should have a limited hand in what is undoubtedly a criminal investigation.
jughead0 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:37:59 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is one of those things that I thought was weird. The college should have no ability to interfere in a police investigation. At the most, I can understand expelling a convicted felon, but there's really no legal standing that they have in instances like these.
I know you were joking, but universities can rescind their confirmation of degree. So if you graduated, and then a current student accused you of sexual assault, the university could unilaterally revoke your degree without even so much as a hearing.
Someone suggested that at one school, you would still get kicked out because if she claims to be too drunk to consent to sex she is also too drunk to consent to being filmed or watched.
Trezzie ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:05:56 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was too drunk too. Therefore she raped me as well.
It also ruins athletics departments economically by forcing them to give money to girls' sports that nobody gives a fuck about. You can have a star football or basketball team and barely break even because the girls waste so much money.
I've never understood why sports needed to break even. I feel like universities should not be held to a money making standard. You put money in and you get research and better trained and experience out. That's the return. Not money.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:37:11 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't care about any sports. The point is that Title IX makes athletics departments unprofitable when they could be multimillion dollar businesses that contribute profits to the school. Instead, they lose money.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:20:32 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I don't know that they lose money as much as the girls get to play to. They also get scholarships as well. So while they may not generate a ton of money for the school, the girl on the soccer field could be getting the education she needs to be a great doctor or whatever field she's studying. So Title IX isn't completely terrible...
Not really. There does need to be actual evidence to cause a conviction, not just "he said she said." Guilt needs to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law. This includes things like physical evidence from a rape kit, surveillance video, and texts/messages. If there is no evidence, it can't be proved beyond a reasonable doubt.
It's actually very hard to be convicted of rape.
I mean, that won't stop your campus from kicking you out or your boss from firing you, but you probably won't go to jail.
AND that's with everything going right. That's assume the victim went to the hospital, got a rape kit done within the proper window, went to the police, the rape kit got processed (some places have a backlog of up to 15 years), the police allow the testimony and don't force the victim to recant, etc. Not to mention that trauma can cause inconsistencies in reports, which often lead to the police discounting testimony.
Only 3-7% of rape reports result in conviction. That means 93-97% of accused rapists are not convicted, almost always due to lack of evidence.
While your comment is well-written and well-sourced you utterly miss the point: being thrown out of college and losing future employment prospects IS getting fucked whether or not jail time is involved.
And we've seen several examples over the last number of years about people in jail for rape being acquitted when their accuser admitted they lied. It's rare, but it happens.
I mean, that won't stop your campus from kicking you out or your boss from firing you, but you probably won't go to jail.
Explain to everyone here how being kicked out of college (and likely not being able to go back), losing your job, and likely many friends and colleagues, isn't being fucked. Please.
no, usually that would just require return of the car. contract disputes are generally civil in nature. no jail. but wtf would I know, I'm just a criminal defense attorney.
its not that simple and it depends what level of coercion we're talking about. I'm just saying the majority of contract disputes involving duress are civil, not criminal issues.
Obviously if i put a gun to someones head and say "sign the contract to give me your car" it would be a criminal offense. that also never happens, since carjackers tend to skip the whole contract phase. So, are there potential scenarios where contracts invalidated on the basis of duress and coercion end up in criminal charges? Yes. Are they common to contract disputes. No, not at all.
Yeah, I'd imagine the vast majority of the time someone trying to rob you wouldn't want documentation of the crime, so most contract disputes would just be civil, but if you are doing something illegal (rape, carjacking, etc.) and you coerce your victim into signing a contract in an effort to vindicate yourself, that probably wouldn't work, and you'd still face criminal charges (though, idk if the contract would make things worse). correct?
It's not an argument. it's a question. Let me rephrase
you don't go to jail if the vast majority of any other type of contract is deemed to be invalid.
If you do something illegal and try to hide behind a contract that you coerced the other party into signing, would you or would you not still go to jail for that crime?
Yes, if you do something illegal and are caught, you will most likely face the possibility of jail, the form of your question assumes the answer.I dont like answering those types of questions because they are usually used to shoehorn some obtuse imperfect metaphor.
In reality what is happening is colleges really don't want to incorporate any due process in their rape allegations, because its such a messy situation and they'd rather just get rid of the man, guilty or not, so they don't have to deal with the whole hassle. Men are getting railroaded in college campus sex cases. It is definitely happening, and the university's approach to handling them is terrible. Colleges want the option of just dumping poor young men accused of sexual assault regardless of the veracity of any of the claimaints claims, and its wrong.
My bad, just trying to understand what makes rape a different standard when it comes to contracts (probably because consent is tied to the crime), but i guess I'm confused. I thought we were talking about criminal cases, not college cases. I think we can agree the college judicial standard is garbage
Snokus ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:46:09 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That isn't true and could be said about rape aswell.
If the contract is found invalid you still have to prove the criminal act in a due process. A "sex contract" is just a proactive action, of its found invalid it carries exactly no weight in a criminal process.
Bhruic ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:27:00 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What you are saying makes sense, but it's completely missing the original point. The burden of proof has shifted dramatically, requiring individuals to have somewhat excessive levels of documentation to demonstrate that sex was consensual. If the administration is then going to turn around and say that the documentation might not be accepted because they could claim coercion, what's the point of getting the documentation in the first place? And what sort of proof is actually going to be reliably accepted?
The knee-jerk overreaction is the same sort of thing that caused "zero tolerance" policies in earlier schooling, and we've seen how wonderfully that turned out. It'd be nice if college administration wouldn't do the same here and create systems that are so easily abusable by those looking to do so - because there will always be people who will take advantage.
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 19:15:48 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:25:36 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did she go to administration and police?
[deleted] ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 19:20:00 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If one gets accused of rape, one is basically fucked to hell in most colleges.
No, they're not. If you're accused of rape, more than likely absolutely nothing is going to happen, even if you're guilty.
You've got to be kidding me, right? You're already worse than a murderer in the court of public opinion and if the accusation gets somewhere employers can find it you're pretty much done working. Not to mention the fact that expulsion means you just paid tens of thousands of dollars for nothing, in addition to bring unemployable.
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 20:28:34 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Uh huh. Which rarely happens, even in cases where someone is guilty.
mackay92 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:38:01 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A cop literally just got over 200 years in jail for rape. Your argument is invalid.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:50:09 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My argument is invalid because 1 cop got 200 years in jail for rape?
mackay92 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:43:11 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
more than likely absolutely nothing is going to happen, even if you're guilty.
Which rarely happens, even in cases where someone is guilty.
I literally googled "sentenced for rape" and over 29 million results came up. That doesnt even include people who were fired or released from their jobs merely from accusations.
You may want to present your argument a little better if you want to sit at the adults table.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:41:37 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Uh huh. Did one of those results happen tell you the frequency at which rapists are convicted? Did any of them tell you how often false reports result in punishment?
Perhaps this would be a better metric than the quantity of hits on google?
Or when I said rarely, did you think I meant it was like 4?
Conflating any harassment with sexual harassment demonstrates unequivocally it has absolutely nothing to do with awareness or the safety of students and everything to do with an insidious form of conditioning done to facilitate a world view.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:01:51 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
they are called social justice warriors, or sjws for short.
I know what SJWs are, and every person advocating for rape awareness isn't an SJW. Saying "if she's super drunk she can't consent" that's reasonable. Saying "if she doesn't explicitly turn in a notarized consent form for every thrust" that's the SJW bullshit (and I know that was hyperbole but I'm making a point.)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:23:44 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The recent big push is from the SJWs, most of the time. Like these posters.
To be fair the stats people quote for said harassment are from a really shoddy study that only checked out two college campuses and counted things like consensual drunk sex as sexual harassment/rape.
Plus, affirmative answers to questions like, "did you regret having sex after the fact" counted as sexual harassment in at least one of the studies that is often used.
Can't find the study I was referencing, but here's an article on the most popular study that is cited for the "1 in 4 college females will be raped" statistic.
Here's another article that I found which directly mentions that, "the survey's wording invites the label of rape victim to be applied to anyone who has ever drank too much, had a sexual encounter, and then regretted it later."
what do we need to raise awareness about? It's not like people don't know it happens. More often than not its annoying as fuck and drives people away from your support base.
It is amazing really, the only thing I could see as being effective in further lowering the already low risk would be teaching safety courses which cover things like drinking responsibly, self-defence, and how to make yourself less of a target for criminals. This would be to both genders.
Of course when that topic has come up in the past, the regressive left has shut is down citing "victim blaming" because apparently the only way to prevent assault is through "reeducation and fixing toxic masculinity" whatever that means. I assume it is entirely Orwellian.
as a male entering uni in the us, i have had to do
alcohol and drug safety (physical and online class)
rape/social safety (physical and online class)
i've also had to attend multiple lectures about how to act and what to do if i see someone being taken advantage of. every male is required to do this.
tgm4883 ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 18:10:14 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
One could argue that university campuses are safer because of these types of initiatives.
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Awsome with all the downvotes. I was merely speculating that colleges tend to have all sorts of initiatives to try and keep their population safer (sure they do this with their own interests in mind but they still do it). And I'm not talking about just this initiative, but all of the colleges we toured would send officers to walk/drive you home if you felt unsafe, had emergency phones/buttons everywhere, etc.
Is that normalized with population density? The number of students on college campuses has gone up tremendously over the past 10 years. Holding sexual assault and harassment rates steady while increasing population density might be progress if the surrounding area experienced a smaller increase in density.
I would suspect that the density of a university campus roughly reflects that of the surrounding community, but if institutions are throwing more students into cramped buildings there could definitely be "hidden" improvements in the rate.
Between when I started and when I finished my 4 year program in the mid 2000's they had completely gotten rid of "double singles" where you could pay extra to have a double dorm room alone. And the big rooms went from 3 to 4 students to 4 to 5. (They had a main room and a sleeping room)
So I know that they were cramming more people into the dorms.
Not living in the surrounding suburbs I don't know what was going on there.
At my school they have been building more suite style dorms so that everyone has their own room, and 3-4 people share a kitchen.
I don't know much about how American schools do things with regards to accommodation so maybe you are correct.
Related, I hear for US schools students typically live on campus all 4 years, that seems strange to me. We spend 1 year on campus and get our own houses for the rest of our time at school.
A lot of schools are building more dorms, but they tend to be building them on former rugby fields or something. They are not buying more campus property.
So they are still shoving more people in the same overall campus area.
They are getting grant money for it. My college is having all club members take a sexual harassment course online to go on field trips. I made a stink about it, and it actually got the administration's attention. They told the advisors that they would only consider changing it when the grant ran out.
That's because a lot of the liberal arts majors go on to work for the universities. Because wtf else are you supposed to do with a women's studies/history degree?
Say, how many false accusations of rape have been filed against females who were then expelled simply for being accused? Zero? Oh, how equal.
Trezzie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:08:02 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You have a source for that?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:39:32 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, so you must know that women in our society can never have sex when they are intoxicated, because if you are intoxicated you aren't in a state of mind that can make a decision. Intoxication can occur after just one beer. Isn't feminism great ladies? You are now being told that you can't handle beer or sex or your own decisions. Yay Women's Rights!
There's a very American reason for that.. a-and it's money. Every single case, even ones you never hear about, costs schools an exorbitant amount of money. Six figure sums are the norm.
Push for fear mongering and unnecessary safe spaces for adult sized children...
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:15:10 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
College-aged folks have had more online social interaction and less in-person social interaction. This leads to a population that isn't as proficient at knowing what is and isn't appropriate in that setting. It's not a new phenomenon by any means but likely the frequency is greater.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:04:06 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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yaix ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:13:51 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But where's the drama then?
Ganthid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:16:44 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's probably because this line doesn't look immediately like harassment, but framing it in context that it is, can get people thinking twice about seemingly non-abusive actions.
Sometimes people are too forgiving of "the crazy" than others, so they need to have it pointed out in bold typeface.
im not sure if you're joking but that actually is what the song is about. He's talking about how hes tired of the "back and forth" when meeting casual sex partners in a club enviornment when everyone knows they're just there to hook up. hes saying, hes so tired of buying drinks, using euphamisms and innuendo to go home together, why cant you just say "whats up dude/girl, i like you and i believe you like me. wanna go fuck?"
Because it's harassment if women can't lie to themselves
Zaku0083 ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 16:54:39 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh come on. Everyone knows the best place to shackle someone is not in your embrace.... it is in the quiet room in the shack in the woods behind my house...
What's Poe's Law about it? It's a campaign using popular song lyrics to help spread awareness of sexual harassment. Think about for 5 seconds and it's actually quite clever. It's obviously intended to be taken seriously, unless you think that the creators of this poster thought that the stomach and the womb are one.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:33:57 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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crrrack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:09:01 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Baby XOR The Bottle perhaps?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:13:13 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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crrrack ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:44:37 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why couldn't they have used romanized letters? Would have saved a fortune on keyboards for one thing.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:14:51 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They do where I live (mackenzie delta)
zuviel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:17:39 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In theory because Inuktitut doesn't neatly line up with the pronounciation of English letters.
The syllabics were actually originally invented by Christian missionaries for translating the Bible into Cree. They were adapted for use with Inuktitut.
The Inuit Uqausinginnik Taiguusiliuqtiit (the Inuit equivalent to the Acadรฉmie franรงaise) has proposed switching to Roman orthography to make it easier for young people to learn the language.
The first one is about someone calling the other constantly. The second is a seriously weird lyric about stalking and obsession. The third is clinging and basically Overly Attached Girlfriend in lyric form. More about harassment in general, really, but sexual is a subset of that.
PETA's next campaign "Saying I am so hungry I could eat a horse is bad, end equine suffering!"
Larein ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:46:15 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But it implies that multiple calls were made when the receiver didn't want to asnwer or talk to caller. What do you think 'I have called thousands times' means? I have called twice? Or ten times? 20? Every hour?
Calling someone a lot is harassment. But not sexual harassment.
[deleted] ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 17:44:56 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I understand the lyrics. I just don't see how they're problematic in any way.
Censoring things to avoid "normalizing" them is a fucking horrible concept, anyways
Yeah, this part was incorrect. I still don't think there's anything worth objecting to in the songs, though.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:54:00 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody is suggesting censoring anything. Just pointing out that these song lyrics are about harassing behavior. No matter what that Adele song says, if you call your ex over and over, even 100 times, it's harassment. It's a cute way to highlight inappropriate behavior.
And just to be clear: don't call someone 1000 times. If they don't call you back after 4 tries, stop calling. Don't follow someone around at all hours of the day and night. That's stalking.
But they aren't advocating censorship, they are pointing out (partly) how many love songs are horrible relationship advice, and also how much harassment, sexual or otherwise, is normalised. If someone calls you 50 times in a day, that's not good. At all.
20161616 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:46:54 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Just like 50 shades of grey isn't about a SM relationsship, love, romance or sex. It's about abuse and anyone who really is into bondage or BDSM will tell you how awfully wrong and abusive the relationsship is.
The worst part was ignoring safe words which is nothing less than rape.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:52:03 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Who is listening to a love song and taking every word as serious advice? It just seems like you're taking the lyrics way, way more seriously than anyone who just enjoys the song.
What do you think of gangster rap?
Sherm ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:03:03 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Who is listening to a love song and taking every word as serious advice?
The guys who ask a girl out over and over and over again, because pop culture presents the guy being creepy and persistent as the way to "win" the girl.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:07:36 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because those guys aren't universally recognized as being creepy dumbasses.
Sherm ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:14:38 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And yet, they're still portrayed as the heroes in movies and TV shows.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:17:09 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, and so are vigilante cops, assassins, etc. People's standards for what happens in a movie and real life are very, very different.
You need to learn to separate fiction from reality.
Sherm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:22:27 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not just me, apparently. All the people who spend their time pining for sparkly vampires and partner-abusing billionaires. Spend an hour on instagram or a forum for "nice guys." You'll change your mind, and wind up with the same despair for your fellowman that we have.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:34:39 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fantasies are entirely separate from reality. Again. Learn the difference.
fezzuk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:19:29 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a lesson I think most men learn as teens. Usually the hard way.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:22:39 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, most men don't need to be taught that. Most men understand that no means no.
fezzuk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:29:37 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Know no means no is not what I'm talking about. More just being socially awkward with girls, or attempting to do 'romantic' things that are just awkward and creepy.
Texting a girl 20 times in one night, not getting a reply and so you try and rescue the situation by sending more and then dieing of embarrassment the next day if definitely a drunk teenage thing to do.
And your not being told no, your just being ignored by your friend who was really nice to you at school today, or are you being ignored that's hard to take with a girl you like as a teen boy, perhaps she just is not looking at her phone, or is thinking about what to say, perhaps I'll try and lighten the mood with one more .....
And then 15 years later the memory come back as you are brushing your teeth and the cringe works it's way up from the ankles.
I feel you man, that's part of lots of different types of music, they use devices like hyperbole (called a 1000 times), metaphors, analogies (maroon 5's animals) and so on to express their points. So obviously, lyrics taken out of context and/or taken literally can easily be made to sound like they were saying something else.
For example the Adele lyrics they quoted are followed up by "to tell you I'm sorry for everything that I've done"
And the Maroon 5 one, the song is literally called "Animals", and the lyrics are about a mutual carnal desire for sex, like animals, the lyrics just fit the theme of the analogy.
I don't know, if you can't discern song lyrics from reality then you might have other problems to worry about.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:08:03 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dude plenty of teenagers think every song lyric is some how a window into their lives. Not everyone is super rational.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:10:44 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's a problem with the listener, not the song. If someone has that problem than literally anything from music to television to video games could fuck them up. It's not a problem with the music, it's a problem with the person. Society shouldn't revolve around catering to the irrational.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:18:56 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh of course, but I don't think the poster is trying to censor anything. All its really doing is pointing out that some lyrics can be harassment more than romantic.
No where on the poster does it say "stop this music" or "don't listen to this". Someone can interpret that from their understanding of it but that's not what the poster is saying.
Just like how some people can interpret weird shit from lyrics even if that's not what the artist meant.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:24:53 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree that that first comment, I was incorrect in that statement.
Just like how some people can interpret weird shit from lyrics even if that's not what the artist meant.
It's worth noting that that's what ya'll are doing right now.
I feel you man, that's part of lots of different types of music, they use devices like hyperbole (called a 1000 times), metaphors, analogies (maroon 5's animals) and so on to express their points. So obviously, lyrics taken out of context and/or taken literally can easily be made to sound like they were saying something else.
For example the Adele lyrics they quoted are followed up by "to tell you I'm sorry for everything that I've done"
And the Maroon 5 one, the song is literally called "Animals", and the lyrics are about a mutual carnal desire for sex, like animals, the lyrics just fit the theme of the analogy.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:32:14 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh I don't agree with the poster(s), I think it makes a point in that the lyrics can be seen as harassment but that's only if the lyrics are taken out of context.
But I think those are meant for people who do take lyrics too seriously, the problem is that a poster isn't going to change their minds.
There's a difference between adele saying she called someone "1k times" to apologize. Obviously that's a metaphor, but there are people out there that will call someone a thousand times because they think its romantic and then will take a lyric out of context to prove their point.
My point is that the posters don't condone censorship and there are people out there who take fictional things too seriously.
I think that's a slightly different situation from having your partner call you up to check up on you, ensure you aren't cheating on them or just because you broke up with them. By slightly, I mean as different as a white kitten is from a polar bear.
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LvS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:05:55 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you talking about the posters or about the songs?
MTLDAD ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:47:31 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, man. Here's the deal. A lot of obsessive behavior is passed off as a love songs. And that is kind of a problem when some people see that behavior as just normal courtship behavior because it's in all of the songs.
nickpeq ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:35:17 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like I've only ever seen "not on OUr campus" on fake posters. But then again, I've seen some dumb as hell real posters around campus too.
๐๏ธ Trollker ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:36:33 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
These are official and are in the napkin holders in campus restaurants.
nickpeq ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:42:48 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ok I can get how a lyric about calling someone a thousand times normalizes harassment, but now they're reaching. Those lyrics are completely figurative.
I love Maroon 5, I love Animal, but that song is creepy as fuck and the video double downs on it. I'm going to be honest, I love Maroon 5 partially because the vast majority of their songs sound like they were written by a serial killer. I understand the point of being up front about not romanticizing things like that and pointing out they are not representational of a healthy relationship and still enjoy the songs for what they are.
Really? Latch is clearly about a guy who's become obsessed with his new love interest to an unhealthy degree. "If there are boundaries, I will try to knock them down"? Stage 5 clinger alert!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:20:58 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Cifra00 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:36:28 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Where's the ying yang twins? the Jason Derulo (if she doesn't speak the language, she can't consent!) Why is it just the white musicians? REVERSE RACISM! #WHITEMUSICMATTERS
I was just in the caf as they were putting these little cards in the napkin holder. I'm glad OU is pushing for sexual assault awareness, but this seems like this is kind of a reach.
RedRing14 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 18:19:01 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Baby it's cold outside is my favorite song to point out how rapey it sounds. People get really offended when you attack a Christmas song.
Edit: For the first time people actual made valid points on how the song isn't all that bad. Some of it still seems a bit off considering how pushy the male comes across and then to give the woman an alcoholic beverage when she would be going home seems a bit odd as well.
I don't really get that impression in he song at all. Even the way the ok is delivered at the end seems hesitant. Hell she even questions what's in the drink.
Berdiiie ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:15:13 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She's coming up with excuses to make it more acceptable to stay. "Oh, this drink is strong! I better hang out here a little longer."
I've never thought of that word existing before...fetishists. I can assure you I don't have a rape fetish in fact it's one of the quicker ways to get me to turn off a porn. I'm not the only person in the world to claim that song does in fact sound a bit rapey.
silenttd ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:36:08 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jimmy Fallon and Cecily Strong had a pretty funny take on it on SNL a few years back
Enex ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:14:35 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not about rape. It's about social mores. You're confused because, I suppose, you assume that they are the same now as they were then.
It's not a rapey song. She's not referring to a roofie in her beverage. She's referring to, and blaming her "trampy" behavior on, the alcohol in her drink. "Good girls don't act like this, so there must be an explanation. Oh! Blame it on the alcohol!"
I was pretty sure this song was about the music industry raping Kurt Cobain with all the commercialization. Funny cause now I hear "Come as you are" as I'm walking down the grocery aisle. I guess we know who won that argument.
I could be wrong, but songs sometimes don't actually mean what they imply.
I could be wrong but I'm like 99 percent sure it was a response to someone raping a girl while singing his previous anti-rape song, Polly, with the intent of making it in your face so the message would be clear.
I remember hearing that too, but I couldn't find a reference to it.
theHip ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:55:44 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But if you are asking to be raped, isn't that consent?
moeburn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:56:53 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Here's your answer, he explains all his anti-rape songs pretty clearly here, and explicitly states it's not about the industry and how they treated Kurt:
kccogirl ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 22:04:54 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I kind of hate when people use rape to describe something shitty happening in their lives. Lady Gaga did it too and I'm sorry but no. This is nothing like being raped.
If I had to choose between people meddling in my art that's making me a multi millionaire and being raped, I wouldn't choose rape.
GGnerd ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:23:18 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Had me scared for a second, thought you were gonna go with getting raped
kccogirl ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:31:39 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean its a very tempting option but ultimately I have to pass.
[deleted] ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 19:23:23 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yeah an arson charge usually relates to the burning of a building, but if a death occurs during that arson (like someone was inside the building) it can be charged as felony murder.
Setting fire to an actual person is definitely attempted murder, and murder if the person dies.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:52:19 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but it doesn't make you not an arsonist if you set fire to an arrow then shoot the arrow into a building.
sorator ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:36:16 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So if she made it rain and set fire to it, then perhaps she'd be an arsonist.
Fgame ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:34:15 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Deanne?
IanGecko ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:17:57 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
God's biggest problem was his love of MDMA while DJing...
Despite being a pioneer of the rave culture in the 15th century, the drug ultimately got the better of him
Delta-IX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:31:39 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No but Jesus built my hotrod
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:04:50 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He wasn't all that clever when he came up with his alter ego's name though. 'Santa', seriously? I guess he just didn't want to ruin his reputation though.
The further you go towards one side, the more similar they seem.
(with some obvious differences but this is a profound statement and they're supposed to be short)
maaghen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:30:30 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
it's called the horseshoe theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory essentially it means that the far right and the far left are closer to each other than any of them is to the center
DeeMI5I0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:34:50 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's because one side may list toward tyranny and the other tyranny of the majority - both of those things were acknowledged as equally dangerous as far back as the Federalist Papers (No. 10 has some good info on this). Both of those things end in loss of liberty, but one has a single dictator removing them. Through the other a majority controls what everyone does/says and has absolute power.
Wait is this poster telling me I can't listen to Adele?
Logan117 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:09:22 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was trying to think of how to describe the regressive left, and it occurred to me. They are so extreme, that they are actually lending credit to outrageous claim the conservatives make about "the left's secret agenda." They are the liberal equivalent to the ultra-religious, wanting to control what you do, say, and even think. And if you voice anything other than complete compliance, you are labeled a dissenter and condemned. They are the left side of Poe's law.
Snokus ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 18:44:31 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes.
Stating that some songs promote unhealthy relationship norms is exactly the same as stating that rock is the Devils music.
Next you're gonna say that the Westboro protesters are the same as anti-Vietnam protesters.
They are performing similar actions so obviously they're basically the same.
Making a strawman argument is exactly the same as criticising the original argument.
Next you're going to say that listening to pop music is literally the same as threatening rape.
They are using similar words so obviously they are basically the same.
Snokus ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:43:32 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It obviously isn't a strawman since the original argument regarded everything you could say, think or do.
Stating examples of things that you can say, think or do is hardly a strawman.
Also the original argument was "theyre doing similar things, ergo they are becoming the same" which I challenged as being narrow-minded and only including aspects that support the argument.
Intent seem to not have been regarded at all, for instance.
Also Ofcourse you claim my argument to be a falacy instead of actually coming up with a counter argument.
I don't think it is really to stop the suspect but to help the victims see that this behaviour isn't normal or acceptable. The amount of times it starts with this kind of behaviour but isn't reported until it escalates to even crazier levels is ridiculous.
OMG you wouldn't believe how panic inducing that comment is.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:31:08 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My ex one day disappeared on me. We dated for two years and she just disappeared. The relationship was fine too. I left it alone for 48 hours then went crazy and called her like 100 times. Just kept going to voicemail. I thought she had died or something idk. Turns out that was her way of breaking up.
You're either full of hyperbole, or really not stable enough for the rest of society. I'm not making fun; If your PTSD from your last relationship is still that bad, get help!
I like how your capitalization of Concern makes it seem like a name brand product for sale at a department store. Gives the (perceived) insincerity a boost.
I wasn't going to reply to this, but your comment has been bothering me.
I hope you never have to go through what I went through. I had two years of harressement. It was in person, on phone, email, text, all forms of Internet communication you can think of, through friends and family. First time I called the police it stopped, for a little while. I moved countries, I wiped as much as I could of myself off the internet, I cut out friends. I didn't return to a job, or house I loved. I changed my phone number. And then it started again, on my birthday.
I called the police, again. This time they got arrested. We are currently going through the court system.
To read a sentence that was almost word for word of something they would say to me. Yes, for a moment I panicked. I thought, fuck, they've found me again. I had to look through their history, just to make sure it wasn't them. After I was sure, I realised it was a joke and I found it funny.
To have gone through two years of someone stalking, harassing and mentally messing with you. Well it leaves a mark. I truly hope that you never have to experience it, and if you do well i would be very impressed if it does nothing to you.
To say that I'm either full of hyperbole, or not stable enough for the rest of society is truly insulting. To say that people with PTSD are not stable for society, well I can not even convey my disappointment in that statement.
Just because my scars are not visible doesn't mean I'm not hurting. But it also doesn't mean I'm not getting help.
choff63 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:44:40 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think there's a misunderstanding. I don't think my dude up there meant to sound like a prick (but they totally did) and I think it was just a matter of phrasing. They did want to make sure you were getting help if your PTSD (or whatever, i'm not a doctor) is that bad. Its totally dope that you're getting help. I hope good shit happens or whatever.
Marted ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:48:24 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe they were just surprised and had a brief moment of panic before they realized that it was just a joke?
A friend spent the night in jail once and there was a girl that tried dialing out something like 600 times from the phone in the holding cell. Of course there was a no contact order involved and each call was its own individual crime with blatant video evidence etc. Not good.
myrddyna ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:52:26 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
get yourself an auto-dialer, practically stalks for you! It will change the way you think about harassment!
apinc ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:42:02 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
FYI phone companies really frown upon auto dialers.
Friend of mine who owns a phone company has fired so many customers over that. The legal headache that comes from him from someone using an autodialer isn't worth it
If you don't get arrested for calling your ex once, but you do get arrested for calling your ex 77,000 times, then where's the tipping point? Like, what's the exact number?
"She called me 257 times!"
"So?"
"Look, there goes number 258!"
"Arrest that woman!"
Also, how many of those 77,000 calls did he answer?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:43:23 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The difference between creepy and romantic is really just response.
If you show up after a girl with an arm full of flowers and she flips out, you're creepy. If you climb up to her balcony and tap on her sliding glass door holding an arm full of flowers and she breaks down and makes out with you, you're romantic.
People will tell these stories about long pursuits and an unwillingness to back down, about passion and determination, about the depths of romance and true love, and I'm like, "... some other bloke did that, too, and got a restraining order against him. I'm pretty sure that's how it usually works."
What happens when society becomes too intolerant of a reasonable measure of effort? Has anyone noticed how dangerous it is to ever flirt with a coworker, at all?
The fact that response can be part of the judgment as to what's creepy and what's romantic doesn't mean it's the only part, or even the biggest part. And even when it is the main factor, that doesn't mean it's normally the main factor.
More commonly, the difference between creepy and romantic is whether prior statements are paid attention to or ignored, whether slightly or less slightly subtle communication is respected or unintentionally misinterpreted, etc.
It doesn't even have to be body language. Any girl who puts up a chat request on r/kikpals is going to get messaged by the hugest creeps who interpret her as wanting something more, even if "clean" is in the title. If I mention my husband, a lot of dudes will just straight up ghost, even though I'm a stranger on the other side of the world, without a profile picture. I used to work in a bar, and even when I would flash an engagement ring dudes would keep pushing for my number. I had a lesbian bugging me all night, even after I gently said I wasn't interested. Even if things are clearly represented, people ignore it.
There's a certain appeal to taboo and I believe your last two examples are cases where that came into play. That and booze reducing inhibitions.
If people ignore explicit requests to NOT do something then that makes them creepy at a minimum; where young guys in particular tend to get into trouble is by utterly failing to read things like body language, or not understanding when women try to let them down easy.
yeartwo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:39:45 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Oh you only said he was creepy because he was ugly."
Some people just don't understand how other people see them.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:19:54 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
More commonly? Based on what? All those fucking sources you provided?
You don't get to shoot someone down for generalizing with a fucking generalization. I'm fairly certain everything you're saying is based solely on your perception rather than anything approaching actual fact.
It fucking sickens me that you've just promoted anti-science thinking, perpetuated the idea that people aren't responsible for their actions, bashed someone, and got upvotes for all of that shit. Everything you said is wholly representative of a toxic mindset that's really starting to spread on this website.
The saving grace of university ridiculousness (it's nothing new) is that once out of college, people realize it's just like leaving high school. It's over, it's irrelevant, you've got a new journey ahead. You have a life now and you get to do it!!
The sad part is that for most people, college was full of amazing memories. Sports, social clubs, cool projects, parties, Greek life, etc. These kids now are living in either an endless anger that the boogeyman of social-slight is around the corner or living in fear that simply saying the wrong thing will ignite their classmates into a rage.
I wish these kids would ask themselves "is this how I want to live my life? Is this at all happy?" - bc none of that stuff will matter once you leave. You're going to look back at this with either laughter or regret
The problem isn't that you went through college and wasted money, though. The problem is you need that gold stamp on your CV to qualify for a job, and 1,000 other people with that gold stamp on their CV are trying to get the same job.
To put it more directly: if you don't go through a four-year-long motion sucking down tons of taxpayer money or personal debt for zero societal gain, you're kicked out of a significant part of society.
Think I got distracted and responded with an economics argument in a social thread. Wrong topic.
The alternative at the moment, btw, is for the government to drop all individualized college incentives (that is: no federal loans, no tax credits, no tuition subidies). It's bad politics, but optimal economics; this is one of extremely few situations where the free market always fully optimizes (because not only do the most powerful players experience the most pain from this tactic, and so move to resolve it with their vast and expansive resources; but, also, that resolution helps everyone).
I agree it's not an ideal situation, but I'd rather label someone else as creepy than risk being sexually harassed/assaulted (I'm looking at you, Adele...).
What about when the police show up at your house and the lawyers come to sue you for whistling at a girl and complementing her legs, thanks to the new anti-catcalling laws in New York?
So the left are the new values voters. awesome. see you guys in 8 years
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 17:56:54 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, they'll vote for the more-right candidate because she's a woman, rather than Sanders, who shares their views. Hell, they'd vote for Palin if she was the only woman
I don't think they want us to believe that Adele is doing that.
raider9 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:23:13 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
its not stalking when Adele does it
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:14:03 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So telemarketers are sexually harassing me?
Rictor86 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:22:33 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Quick, we need to start a class-action lawsuit. Colleges have set the bullshit precedent, let's see if we can make it work for us.
[deleted] ยท 101 points ยท Posted at 16:02:07 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've noticed this as well: despite all the media attention, Internet SJWs and general awareness about sexual harassment and rape, somehow pop culture is getting kinda fuckin' creepy regarding relationships.
The Adele and Maroon 5 song lyrics for example. Don't forget Joe Jonas (oh it's okay that I'm a jealous creep, it's because you're so sexy and beautiful baby).
The recent Chanel (?) commercial with Gisele Bundchen (I know the BGM in that is an old song, but the artist sings it in this slow, creepy way)
The recent Macy's ad that talked about "spiking your friend's eggnog" while the man in the ad stands behind the woman leering at her.
I like to play a game sometimes called "Imagine if Robin Thicke sang this" one of my favourites was by a British girl group called little mix who sang:
"Take a sip of my secret potion,
I'll make you fall in love.
For a spell that can't be broken,
One drop should be enough.
Boy, you belong to me,
I got the recipe
And it's called black magic"
jwota ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 18:25:48 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Its my right to be hellish, I still get Jealous."
Uh. What!?
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:17:11 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, you're right, it's Nick. That shows you how many shits I give about the Jonas Brothers (hint: <1)
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:51:23 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
it is about a girlfriend. how is this creepy? it is just overbearing.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:18:19 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And an boyfriend who thinks he is entitled to be overbearing and jealous because his girlfriend is attractive isn't creepy? If I was a girl, I would find him creepy.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:29:34 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
not necessarily. jealousy does not equal creepy. creepy would be going to her friends house to see if she was actually there or some shit. getting jealous because other guys are trying to get with your girlfriend isn't creepy. stop trying to be a white knight bro.
There's plenty of imma-murder-you-stalker tier lyrics out there. Part of that is due to changes in social norms. There's a lot of things we don't find acceptable today that used to be completely normal.
nekoshii ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 17:25:01 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's some grey area in that Justin Bieber song, too.
"What do you mean?
When you nod your head yes
But you wanna say no
What do you mean?"
Awfy ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 19:21:19 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You could therefore take this song as supporting consent, no? He sees she's saying "yes" but has reason to believe she's feeling "no" so he's questioning it rather than just taking "yes" as the answer. It's far better than you could really expect from a pop song today.
yeartwo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:38:06 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I saw your interpretation pop up a bunch after this song came out, but I don't buy it for a minute.
The song is also filled with lyrics like "I can't win" and "you wanna make a point but you keep preaching" and "first you're up then you're down, then in between."
It's not about consent and checking with her and being exactly sure of what she wants, it's about him not understanding how she's communicating because she is (does the narrator's general 'you' encourage the listener to expand this into women generally?) temperamental and never says what she means.
I took it the opposite way, as the "we need to talk" song. Like she's the one sending him mixed signals and he is the one turned off because he needs to know where they are first.
Akimuno ยท 73 points ยท Posted at 17:15:19 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Blurred Lines.
I know before some redditors didn't share my sentiment but I honestly think that song is fucking CREEPY.
I always thought Blurred Lines was about "playing coy" or working to get someone in the mood.
It's awesome to get laid. It's even more awesome when one literally turns the suave on to get laid. It's super Alpha Male status to feel like you set the mood right.
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 18:18:47 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think that was how it was written, but it can certainly be interpreted as a date rape scenario.
My father taught me that everyone hears the lyrics they want.
If you listen to Hotel California you'll either hear a narrative about addiction, a story about the Church of Satan, or a subtle narrative about going to California and being enticed to never leave.
[deleted] ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 18:27:10 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is just basic critical theory with anything remotely prone to metaphor, such as poetry
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 19:41:51 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
kn33 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:04:54 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or literally a song about a guy getting killed in a hotel in California by a staff entirely composed of crazy people all working together to murder their patrons
To each his/her own. I hate the super suave alpha male guy. It's like I'm suddenly dealing with a salesman, where the product is sex with this schmuck.
Although I've read some sort of analysis that that song wasn't about rape either, but about the girl spouting excuses because she wants to sleep with the guy but she doesn't wanna come across as easy.
ameoba ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:53:36 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Never said it was about rape, just that it's about not respecting consent. A woman who says "no" when she really means "yes" because she expect the guy to keep pushing boundaries isn't showing the idea of consent any respect either.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:06:38 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It has been creepy for a long while though. Popular media always has been. Just look at all the various bibles, myths and fairy tales. Shit's fucked up as hell.
I've noticed this as well: despite all the media attention, Internet SJWs and general awareness about sexual harassment and rape, somehow pop culture is getting kinda fuckin' creepy regarding relationships
This has got to be the only time I've ever seen someone use the term "SJW" in a positive way.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:15:48 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't even get me started on What Do You Mean by Bieber.
"When you nod your head yes, but you wanna say no. What do you mean?"
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:37:13 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mike snow:
I get a little bit Genghis Khan
don't want you to get it on
with nobody else but me.
Translation: I want to control you while I fuck several thousand other women.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:19:46 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also a large portion of the Nicholas Sparks movies.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:50:26 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Love songs were always creepy, nothing has changed.
maaghen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:34:11 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
song lyrics have been creepy for a long time just listen to the lyrics of "every breath you take" by the police,and im sure if if you look around there are many other great examples but that was the only one that popped into my head instantly
[deleted] ยท -18 points ยท Posted at 17:07:51 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Taylor Swifts current song is about girls stalking tall and hot bad boys to put a notch in their bedpost. "Hey you guys had the last century objectify us in pop culture, it is our turn!"
Remember the crowds on Ellen when Bieber was coming up? My wife said it kind of creeped her out how she was pimping out this underage boy.
ERA was never meant to be equality. It was meant to establish superiority.
Beat the shit out of your boyfriend and you have one mark on you from trying to defend himself? He will never own own a gun again as soon as the cops are called. VOWA made the pussy pass, into the law of the land. Thanks Hillary and Bill Clinton!
Adult male penis is a weapon. Hillary will make possession intent to do crimes against women and children. Your vagina likes little teen boys? Oh its just natural! Adult women fans of One Direction, etc. chime in at any time...
He will never own own a gun again as soon as the cops are called
Sure, because, as we all know, being arrested means you are instantly carted of to jail! No such thing as a trial, or evidence gathering, or being released after being arrested, or the fact that they will probably arrest her as well/later.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:42:54 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well if you are rich and not from a small town that has already passed judgement, sure. Plus no corruption in your jurisdiction would help too.
Oh, look at that. It's true, no arrest needed... instead you need a final order of protection - in fact a specific type of order - which is considerably harder to get than them being arrested. So...
Except not; read closer. It varies by state, but even a temporary order can result in a person's guns being taken away. It just depends on what sort of judge you get.
There is a Beatles song from Rubber Soul that goes, " you better run for your life if you can little girl, hide if you can little girl, catch you with another man, that's the end...little girl". The song was banned in Canada I believe due to the lyrics. Man I love The Beatles.
Even blurred lines isn't about sexual harassment though... it's about a girl who wants to sleep with him but the only thing holding her back is her boring ass boyfriend.
Yeah but I think that the idea of the song is to twist "I have a boyfriend", a clear rejection, into "I'm into you, I'm telling you I have a boyfriend to explain how miserable I am with him". It's bending the truth really badly.
Robin Thicke is so tired of these "blurred lines" because he's so fucking legally blind he can't see when a line is being clearly drawn. Saying "I know you want it", "it's in your nature", "just let me liberate you" are all designed to remove the girls personal agency. Can you imagine if you didn't want to kiss this girl at a bar and she just told you "just let me"?
No, if you listen to the song, the blurred lines are referring to how they can't sleep together cause she had a boyfriend, but she's allowed to flirt and express interest otherwise.
I just read the lyrics, the only indication he seems to be receiving is "the way you grab me". The rest of the lyrics are how Robin is so absolutely certain she wants his dick. Sounds a little projecty to me.
Also "you the hottest bitch in this place". What a winner.
It's pretty easy to tell when a chick is into you. This will just be an agree to disagree situation. I think the girl in question is making it obvious she wants him, you think he's projecting. To me, it's not surprising that a woman in the club would be into a rich and famous pop music singer.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:41:08 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No it's rape. Every song is somehow about rape and is indoctrinating everyone to rape each other.
My campus has signs of minority students ripping a sign in half, each one says something different. One has a Hmong student ripping the sign saying "White Supremacy". Another one has a gay guy going on about how he isn't your gay best friend.
He hit me and it felt like a kiss,
He hit me and I knew he loved me,
If he didn't care for me,
I could have never made him mad,
But he hit me and I was glad
Not sure it counts as sexual if its my brother and that dick monkey isn't answering his phone when he asked if I want pizza. Fuck YES i want pizza. I want that god damn pizza. Answer your god damn phone!
R1MSH0T ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:56:14 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Calling isn't sexual harassment.
Groping: yes
Calling: no
Must be from a liberal college
Rictor86 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:20:33 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's "current year", they could be putting those up at a community college in Bumfuck, Alabama.
FYI this is 2016. You can block your calls, you can turn your phone off and other means to avoid people and send a clear message to leave you alone.
When I was in college, I didn't have these luxuries. In the early 2000's a lot of kids still had landlines with voicemail. Fuck all if you got some crazy bitch that would call you 50-60 times a day and fill your voicemail up with bizarre messages and threatening to "shank you" and "rape your pussy ass".
It was all fun and games until she started following you around town, and then showed up at your house at 3am trying to pick your front door lock. . . . but that's a story for another time.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:14:50 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
kyndo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:12:42 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
What? Why? No. The answer is no.
Not one single person could have told him that?
EDIT: I'm sorry, I can't accept this is real. I feel like I'm going to switch off a particularly dark Christopher Guest film or something. Is he really talking about a 16 year old girl and then referring to others as the *fools who don't know what love is yet"?? I can't.
Maybe they are sick and asked someone to keep checking up on them. Lots of different reason to call people alot. 1000x is a bit much . 50x is a day at the office
I feel so sorry for kids now. Especially boys. They don't stand a chance.
ZGiSH ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 17:04:10 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
but this is clearly Adele talking about how she was calling her significant other?
anooblol ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:23:32 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She is basically pissed at her ex for moving on. Blaming him for the way she feels. She literally says "I know I broke your heart. But at least I can say I'm trying." Or in simple terms. "Men are obligated to love me even though I rejected him, and made him feel like shit."
๐๏ธ Trollker ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:25:33 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The posters advertise the women's outreach program specifically.
[deleted] ยท -35 points ยท Posted at 17:09:49 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Okay. You're wrong. Feminazi is a word created for the specific purpose of demonizing a group of people that you disagree with. It's purposeful hyperbole used to taunt the other side and make people less likely to take them seriously. It's the same thing as pro-life people saying pro-choice people are pro-baby murder. It's an attempt to discredit people without having to actually address their opinions.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:05:44 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fine then, from now on we'll call them Femi-less-than-average-IQ-more-than-average-weight-censorship-happy-ists, happy now?
Lol, gee that's so unique. Teabagger, etc, etc, etc anyone?
That's why so many people like Trump. His outrageous popularity is a reaction to things happening that are despicable to normal, healthy Americans. Things like the P-resident zer0 using the word teabagger. This filth didn't need to be brought to the WH, but now its there, it must be dealt with. That's why Trump is such a giant success.
Things promoted by feminazis, SJWs and the grand queen 0bama and her husband sasquatch.
Trump, thank goodness, doesn't need the job. So he can fearlessly feed your own feces right back down your throats and onto your own faces.
Actual males have needed someone to do this to you for some time now.
It's delightful for us normal and healthy people to see this happen!!
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:51:11 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bullshit generalizations thought up by people who are too intellectually lazy to see the world from a perspective other than their own. Nothing you said is true.
EDIT: Not one word. You're standing in a field of strawmen and accusing them of oppressing you.
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 18:03:17 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eh what?
I'm talking about the idiots who actually say this stupid shit, I'm not generalising all feminists based on the actions of a few cunts. feminist != feminazi. Feminazi = Far right authoritarian lunatic with delusions of "inequality" and "wage gaps" attempting to silence any and all criticism by labelling people as "misogynists". Same goes for MRA's that do shit like that.
Again, let me clarify because you appear to be inept at reading: I. AM. NOT. TALKING. ABOUT. ALL. FEMINISTS. JUST. THE. FUCKING. CRAZY. ONES.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:09:40 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This:
Feminazi usually refers to a very specific set of overweight "third wave feminists" who exist only to better themselves, or to belittle others
Is not real. It's a stereotype that does not reflect reality. Spreading it makes you an asshole. You might as well substitute the term "feminzai" with "uppity woman."
This:
Feminazis/skeletons are just people with thin skin who don't live in the real world who can and will use any excuse they can to be offended,
Dismisses real problems by accusing the people that are talking about them of being "over-sensitive." It's a lazy tactic. Attack the person as being weak, while avoiding the issue they're talking about altogether.
There are actually a lot of attention seeking women who use "feminism" as an excuse for asking to be treated special or shitting on others, which is not what true feminism is meant for. And I'm phrasing that as gently as I can, if you go and see how many of these individuals behave on the Internet I feel that you would understand just how ridiculous and illogical they sound, they are not simply just "uppity women".
These women ruin the concept of what true feminism is about and they are responsible for most of the prevalent hate towards third wave feminism.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:16:50 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is not real. It's a stereotype that does not reflect reality. Spreading it makes you an asshole. You might as well substitute the term "feminzai" with "uppity woman."
TIL Gawker media does not exist
real problems
What, like men who take up 2 seats on a train, until, you know, someone asks to sit down?
Or like women CHOOSING different career paths, or CHOOSING to have children, and that somehow being men's fault?
Because I know REAL people, not just internet skeletons, that hold these ridiculous views. Of course they are being dismissed as being batshit crazy.
Try and name one real issue that's just been dismissed as being an "skeleton being overly sensitive" then.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:22:35 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Try and name one real issue that's just been dismissed as being an "SJW being overly sensitive" then.
Dick pics, catcalling, male dominated fields, gender roles pressuring women into avoiding certain professions and hobbies, the non-existence of maternity leave, women being fired for being pregnant, shaming teen mothers, sexism in the video game community, downplaying the rape and death threats regularly sent to feminists, slut-shaming, the "friendzone", ect ect ect ect ect ect
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:34:21 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dick pics
Nope
catcalling
Nope
male dominated fields
Ahahahahaha, you're joking, right? There's NOTHING stopping women from becoming builders, or garbage collectors, or Nobel Laureates.
the non-existence of maternity leave
EVEN if this were true, which it isn't, I might add. The non-existence of maternity leave would be a good thing, if anything it would encourage employers to hire more women because they don't have to pay them for 6 fucking months because they fucked some guy whilst they were both blind drunk. Which is why I'm glad that some tech companies are willing to pay for women to get their eggs frozen, so they can have children at a later date instead of ruining their career.
women being fired for being pregnant
Well, as an employer, I'd be fucked off if I had to pay someone for doing nothing.
sexism in the video game community
Don't play Xbox with 14 year old children, problem solved. In all seriousness, the extent of "sexism" in video games is tiny when you consider that people are arseholes anyway in games, regardless of gender. Men are abused just as much as women, and considering that sexism is discrimination, and they're treated just as badly as one another, there's no discrimination.
downplaying the rape and death threats regularly sent to feminists
Oh, this one is easy; the threats have no credibility, no proof of origin and are obviously not real threats, and have no chance of happening, next point, please.
slut-shaming
I've never heard of this being described as skeletons gone mad, considering that most people agree that it's wrong.
the "friendzone"
What about it?
I do hope this cleared up any misconceptions you may have had.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:48:45 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well at least now I know what kind of person I'm talking to. Ignorant and naive on all fronts. I'm all out of troll food, sorry.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:51:28 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
TIL responding to every single one of your points makes me ignorant and naive.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:55:42 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, it was the responses themselves.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:57:08 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you going to respond to any of the points, then? Because, what you're doing,
It's a lazy tactic. Attack the person as being weak, while avoiding the issue they're talking about altogether.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:07:07 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, here you go:
The issue you're talking about is imaginary. The scary straw feminists are not under your bed, and all the things you think they are making up are just things you don't understand.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:14:48 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
No, I asked you to respond to the points I made in response to your points, not give some shitty excuse. Either respond to the points I made or fuck off.
You quote "Salon" as sources, incriminate people because they want to eat meat and dismiss anything that contradicts your opinion, even when you believe something that's false, you make personal choice sound like a bad thing and whenever anyone comes up with evidence you just brush it off and claim oppression or misogyny, you are the epitome of /r/tumblrinaction
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:25:22 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The fallout from modern nukes isn't half as bad as the ones the Americans dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki in the 40s, just saying.
And you advocate genocide. And you post on TiA. If you're going to accuse someone of posting in a biased echo-chamber you might want to make sure you're not doing the same thing.
dismiss anything that contradicts your opinion
That's exactly what you're doing, stop projecting.
even when you believe something that's false,
What a weird thing to say. Don't you mean "when you believe something I think is false?"
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:32:22 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And you advocate genocide
I did? When? Because if you'd read it in context I was referring to using nukes to wipe out the human scum that is ISIS, or do you somehow think that ISIS is good.
That's exactly what you're doing, stop projecting.
No, I actually responded to what you were saying, instead of dismissing it, unless it had no grounds.
And you post on TiA.
A subreddit dedicated to mocking idiots who are overly sensitive, or think they are a dragon in a human's body, yeah I can see why that'd piss you off. Also, I don't post there, I could never muster the strength to look at anything that isn't porn on Tumblr., it's too grading to read the skeleton nonsense that is a large part of the community there, I just let people filter the truly amazingly stupid stuff so I can get my laugh of the day.
Are you going to actually respond to my points?
Here, I'll repost them so you don't have to strain yourself by clicking the "view full context" button.
Dick pics
Nope
catcalling
Nope
male dominated fields
Ahahahahaha, you're joking, right? There's NOTHING stopping women from becoming builders, or garbage collectors, or Nobel Laureates.
the non-existence of maternity leave
EVEN if this were true, which it isn't, I might add. The non-existence of maternity leave would be a good thing, if anything it would encourage employers to hire more women because they don't have to pay them for 6 fucking months because they fucked some guy whilst they were both blind drunk. Which is why I'm glad that some tech companies are willing to pay for women to get their eggs frozen, so they can have children at a later date instead of ruining their career.
women being fired for being pregnant
Well, as an employer, I'd be fucked off if I had to pay someone for doing nothing.
sexism in the video game community
Don't play Xbox with 14 year old children, problem solved. In all seriousness, the extent of "sexism" in video games is tiny when you consider that people are arseholes anyway in games, regardless of gender. Men are abused just as much as women, and considering that sexism is discrimination, and they're treated just as badly as one another, there's no discrimination.
downplaying the rape and death threats regularly sent to feminists
Oh, this one is easy; the threats have no credibility, no proof of origin and are obviously not real threats, and have no chance of happening, next point, please.
slut-shaming
I've never heard of this being described as skeletons gone mad, considering that most people agree that it's wrong.
the "friendzone"
What about it?
I do hope this cleared up any misconceptions you may have had.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:40:48 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you going to actually respond to my points?
I've done that. Nothing you've said is based in reality. You're opposed to an imaginary kind of feminism that is created by the echo-chambers you get your information from. I've literally never been on tumblr. Everything you believe about feminism is based on bad information, and here's the thing, there's no point in presenting the other side of the argument with people like you, because you've already proven that facts aren't important to you.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:42:47 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've done that
No, you haven't, you dismissed them because they contradicted your personal views.
Respond to these points below, explaining why they are wrong, or fuck off.
male dominated fields
Ahahahahaha, you're joking, right? There's NOTHING stopping women from becoming builders, or garbage collectors, or Nobel Laureates.
the non-existence of maternity leave
EVEN if this were true, which it isn't, I might add. The non-existence of maternity leave would be a good thing, if anything it would encourage employers to hire more women because they don't have to pay them for 6 fucking months because they fucked some guy whilst they were both blind drunk. Which is why I'm glad that some tech companies are willing to pay for women to get their eggs frozen, so they can have children at a later date instead of ruining their career.
women being fired for being pregnant
Well, as an employer, I'd be fucked off if I had to pay someone for doing nothing.
sexism in the video game community
Don't play Xbox with 14 year old children, problem solved. In all seriousness, the extent of "sexism" in video games is tiny when you consider that people are arseholes anyway in games, regardless of gender. Men are abused just as much as women, and considering that sexism is discrimination, and they're treated just as badly as one another, there's no discrimination.
downplaying the rape and death threats regularly sent to feminists
Oh, this one is easy; the threats have no credibility, no proof of origin and are obviously not real threats, and have no chance of happening, next point, please.
slut-shaming
I've never heard of this being described as skeletons gone mad, considering that most people agree that it's wrong.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:49:06 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
6 fucking months because they fucked some guy whilst they were both blind drunk.
You really don't see anything wrong with this do you?
Well, as an employer, I'd be fucked off if I had to pay someone for doing nothing.
Is that's why paid maternity leave is the norm in every other western country?
Men are abused just as much as women,
Literally the only way you can think this is true is if you haven't actually listened to the stories of how women are treated online, and seen the evidence they provide. That doesn't really surprise me. Like I said, you're ignorant. You lack information. You have a tiny, narrow worldview.
Oh, this one is easy; the threats have no credibility, no proof of origin and are obviously not real threats, and have no chance of happening, next point, please.
Unbelievable. There is mountains of evidence that show these threats are being sent by real people with unclear intentions, and you just wave them away. How can you accuse me of dismissing evidence because it disagrees with my worldview with a straight face? Do you really have that little self-awareness?
I've finished with this. To believe all these things you believe you would have to lack a lot of basic empathy. Empathy is the thing that makes a good person good. If a person lacks it, they make the world around them a little shittier just by being there.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:57:16 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
6 fucking months because they fucked some guy whilst they were both blind drunk.
It was an example, you are fully aware that my point was that a woman chooses whether to have kids or not, you aren't responding to the actual point.
Is that's why paid maternity leave is the norm in every other western country?
Not sure what you're getting at here, but my point is that employers don't want to pay for maternity leave, so they won't hire women because they are a potential massive drain on resources, no maternity leave, more women hired.
Literally the only way you can think this is true is if you haven't actually listened to the stories of how women are treated online, and seen the evidence they provide. That doesn't really surprise me. Like I said, you're ignorant. You lack information. You have a tiny, narrow worldview.
And you'd know the reality if you played games instead of reading propaganda all of the time, A: At least give a source, B: Men are treated just as bad, you'd know this if you played, I dunno, any multiplayer game with a VOIP system.
Unbelievable. There is mountains of evidence that show these threats are being sent by real people with unclear intentions, and you just wave them away. How can you accuse me of dismissing evidence because it disagrees with my worldview with a straight face? Do you really have that little self-awareness?
No, they have no credibility, if they did then the police would intervene, but as they don't, the police do not. The police specifically told one feminist that these threats were meaningless, but because that violated her victim complex, she still decided to cancel her lecture.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:56:51 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:01:31 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you actually have a specific point or instance where this is actively happening? Rather than just saying "gender inequality is bad, mkay"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:17:54 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:19:30 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Of course gender discrimination is bad, it's just the "examples" people give of it are 99% of the time not discrimination.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:21:30 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't this an ad hominem?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:26:06 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. Rush Limbaugh is a garbage person.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:28:31 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also merit isn't any part of whatever terrible argument you're conjuring up by throwing out powerful familial achievements. It's simply about not using a less than kind word when trying to have a civil discussion.
I'm sorry you don't like words with which you don't agree due to your lack of perspective, common sense or intelligence.
Feminazi refers to moronic idiots like that wench at Mizzou, and all the mindless babies that agree with her.
Genuine femisnism don't whine. Real feminists never mention the word, because its whiney.
My family is full of powerful, top grade executives who are female. It's great. And I've never heard one whine about anything like feminism or glass ceiling or any of that made-up bullshit.
They earned their Masters and PhD degrees. Through merit. They earned their stellar careers and families. Myself, I am not quite so fortunate for various reasons (which are my own responsibility), but there is a word you should learn - "Merit" - look it up.
A genuine feminist could only be a humanist, and as such, they simply do. Like all good people.
Not a big deal. It's just a song. Has no impact on how people behave.
A poster:
Those boys don't stand a chance. Their fragile brains are being washed. How could anyone read a poster like this and go on living?
Romymopen ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 17:51:13 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Art is art. Cop Killer wasn't an endorsement of killing cops. It's a fantasy of its writer. I'll let Ice-T explain it himself:
"I'm singing in the first person as a character who is fed up with police brutality. I ain't never killed no cop. I felt like it a lot of times. But I never did it. If you believe that I'm a cop killer, you believe David Bowie is an astronaut."
Isolating portions of art to promote your agenda, real or imagined, is an assault on us all.
LvS ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 18:12:46 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's important that everyone is aware of it though.
And I don't think many people are aware that lots of songs have very rapey vibes and the stories told in them should stay far away from reality.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:46:38 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're romanticizing... romance. People have done that with every subject under the sun.
LvS ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:06:35 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. She can leave him, but he's gonna hunt her down and prey on her.
Are your relationships that romantic, too?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:44:12 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What song is that? I am sure some songs are about stalking, but we aren't talking about those. We are talking about the ones that seem like stalking depending on your perspective.
LvS ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:49:32 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:12:07 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That song is about animalistic lust. It's like that Blurred Lines song. Sure, you can easily interpret it as a song about a stalker if you so chose, but it is a matter of perspective. You could also interpret it as a cannibal stalking his prey if you wanted, that's even worse than stalker rape.
LvS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:25:02 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can find other fish in the sea
You can pretend it's meant to be
But you can't stay away from me
It's a matter of perspective?
You need to get really creative to not interpret that as rape with the "I'm gonna fuck you like an animal tonight" chorus.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:38:46 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I interpreted it as "we will fuck like animals" rather than "I will fuck you like an animal."
"No girl you can't deny the beat inside" seems to imply that he is trying to bring out her animal instinct.
I can see why you see it that way, but I never did. Matter of perspective.
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 17:37:18 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If I'm chatting up a woman and she adamantly and proudly proclaims she's a feminist I lose all interest in them.
Not because women's rights is a bad thing. I just don't feel safe. Theres far too many stories of false rape accusations and abuse accusations that as a man I feel like I'm walking on a minefield. I especially don't want to walk this field with someone that has a warped understanding of gender politics.
Much like religion I find the reasonable sjw types are the ones that keep it to an unsolicited level. I'm fine with activism or celebration in public but if we're casually chatting and you hammer the conversation into a direction to impose your crazy on me that's different.
The Adele example isn't sexual abuse but the rest of this seems reasonable, low key and worth talking about.
It's kinda like being a white male of german decent in the south. Literally everything bad that's ever happened is your fault. You get told this constantly.
I've noticed there are a lot of sensitive white people who hear "it's your fault" even when no one is saying it.
If it helps, someone pointing out the existence of institutional racism or the inequalities of our society does not constitute blaming you for it.
DoxBox ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 17:36:25 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Saying a class of people is privileged isn't too personal.
Telling a bunch of actual people that they're privileged (when they are at best working poor for their whole life) is definitely too personal and pisses people off.
And you're not helping the case by doing shit like calling people who have a problem with this "sensitive white people".
Yes. There legitimately are people who are saying that everything is the fault of white men. Stop denying that such a thing happens. It does.
I mean, this post is pretty much what I'm talking about. I didn't say that no one blames everything on white men; I said some people hear it when no one is saying it. I didn't call anyone privileged either.
Anyway, I would think the working poor, of all people, would understand privilege. You can be privileged in some ways (like, say, being white) without being privileged in every way (like, say, having a wealthy family).
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:31:37 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Would be better if they called it black handicaps.
Privileges are something given to a few, not the majority.
And since Asians, Indians, Latinos and Natives faces different handicaps it would probably be more accurate. Asians are from from being as disadvantaged as black or natives.
deakka ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:59:48 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It would make more sense, but my gut tells me the outrage mongers would not want to "punch down" on those who feel disenfranchised. Also privelege is a weasel word that can be adjusted on the fly to fit any argument.
When in fact most people don't see color, sex, race, or sexual preference. We see people as kind, good, asshole, jerk etc, based on the content of their character and not their skin color/genitals/what gets them off.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:10:01 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Based on google definition privilege is not a word that can be adjusted on the fly, people do that, but those people are also dumb.
Privilege
"a special right, advantage, or immunity granted or available only to a particular person or group of people."
Special
"better, greater, or otherwise different from what is usual."
Usual
"habitually or typically occurring or done; customary." it's synonym with normal and regular
It isn't a privilege if 70% of people have it since it is not better, greater, or otherwise different from what is usual since the "privilege" is the usual thing.
On the other hand
Handicap
"a circumstance that makes progress or success difficult." That's spot on.
DoxBox ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 18:02:23 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't say that no one blames everything on white men; I said some people hear it when no one is saying it.
That's a little hair-splitty. The intent was clear - you're saying that white men are overreacting when we say we're tired of being blamed for everything.
How's about this: white men are being shoved out of left-wing movements. Things like not being able to speak until after certain others because of "privilege". White men are being specifically excluded from some university events. Before you chime in with "But that's only a few cases" or "Not all white men are being excluded or blamed", duh, obviously. But the source of the problem is labelling people with stupidly negative terms like "privileged."
Edit: remember Occupy Wall Street? It got caught up in all this "privilege" nonsense before it turned into drum circles and a complete loss of focus.
Stop using the term. Just make up something else that doesn't have such a stupidly negative connotation. That'd be like me making up a new definition for the word "cunt" and calling everyone I meet a cunt. This ain't Australia, I'd probably get my teeth kicked in. Some people have advantages in life, some people don't, but blanketly calling all white people privileged is 100% every time going to piss people off, and rightfully so.
There's nothing negative about the term privilege.
Some people have advantages in life, some people don't, but blanketly calling all white people privileged is 100% every time going to piss people off, and rightfully so.
No one is saying all white people are, overall, privileged. They're saying that being white is a privilege. A poor white person has a multitude of advantages in America that a poor black person doesn't have. Pointing this out is not attacking the white person, it's not saying something negative about the white person, and it's certainly not blaming the white person.
DoxBox ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:10:19 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's nothing negative about the term privilege,
Well there's your problem, because in my neck of the woods there is.
doyle871 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 19:35:13 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's nothing negative about the term privilege.
As a white guy who grew up working class, single parent family who struggled for everything, you telling me I'm privileged is fucking insulting.
There are obvious advantages to being a white guy who grew up working class, in a single parent family as opposed to being a black guy who grew up working class, in a single parent family.
"White privilege" doesn't mean life is all rosy if you're white. It means that you have advantages from being white that someone non-white in your same life circumstances wouldn't have.
What are all of these amazing privileges you keep mentioning. You have used that word several times without a single substantiation. What are all of these wonderful advantages?
When I go to a job interview, the person interviewing me is likely to be my race.
When I go to the doctor, the doctor is likely to be my race.
I'm 4 times less likely to be arrested for smoking weed than a black person, despite being no more likely to use weed.
The list is endless. If you can't see advantages to being white in America then you're intentionally not seeing them. Do you not know anyone who is racist against non-white people? I find that really hard to believe. Usually the people who can't see the advantages of being white in America just so happen to know a lot of racists.
My doctor and my boss are both different races than I, so I don't know what that's supposed to mean. I'm still trying to figure out how having a boss or Doctor that is the same race is an advantage.
I love the not very well veiled, "if you don't see it, you're racist."
Did you ever apply for college or grants only to be told that you don't qualify, based only on being white? Having busted ass and having better entrance scores, but still being passed over so some liberal can sleep better at night?
The advantage is shared culture, which often correlates with race. I've watched good candidates at companies I've been with fail to get a job because they don't seem like a great "personality fit" (meaning they are from a different culture and, coincidentally, are of a different race).
Let me ask you this. Do you think there are a lot of people in the US who have racist sentiments towards non-white people?
I think it's immensely interesting that some people take an acknowledgment of privilege as an accusation of guilt. I genuinely can't understand it. My natural inclination is to chalk it up to defensiveness, but I don't know why it would even put someone on the defensive.
I haven't put any blame or guilt on anyone.
Edit - This is my post that kicked off this whole subthread. Guess we've gone full circle. I guess in the future I can refer to your link if people don't believe that this happens.
I've noticed there are a lot of sensitive white people who hear "it's your fault" even when no one is saying it.
If it helps, someone pointing out the existence of institutional racism or the inequalities of our society does not constitute blaming you for it.
Bhruic ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:33:24 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No one is saying all white people are, overall, privileged.
Actually quite a number of people are saying that. You might not be, but you really need to stop denying that such people exist - they do.
I'd be willing to say that overall white people are privileged if by privileged we mean advantaged. White families on average have greater wealth than most other racial demographics, especially if you exclude white Hispanics from that.
The problem is that a person isn't an average, so telling someone that they're privileged only based on the determination that they're white is kind of bullshit.
Bhruic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:56:01 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a type of stereotyping that people frown on when it goes towards any other skin colour. If you look at statistics, black people tend to make a larger proportion of the prison population. So should we conclude that black people are criminals? Of course not.
As you say, individual people aren't averages, so it's stupid to make conclusions about them based on it. If people want to stop negative stereotyping, they shouldn't then be trying to apply it to a different group.
doyle871 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:34:23 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can be privileged in some ways (like, say, being white) without being privileged in every way (like, say, having a wealthy family).
You say people say no ones blames white men for everything then make this statement.
I don't condone it at all but I think that's more marketing. People wouldn't be very threatened about a while woman breaking and entering. They are trying to sell alarms and they want people scared. Still wrong though
Black people in America have higher rates of poverty, higher rates of crime, worse education outcomes, etc.
There are two explanations for why this is:
1) Black people are genetically predisposed to being poor, committing crimes, struggling in education, etc. This is textbook racism, it's in the definition.
2) Black people are suffering from society-level ill-effects of discrimination now and/or in the past. This is textbook institutional racism. Yet again, it's in the definition.
No, when you literally grow up having all your teachers tell you "you are responsible for this" it's kinda hard to view it any other way. Though it's good to hear someone say what you are saying.
doyle871 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:32:59 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's because of the internet and social media.
There has always been a "SJW's" for want of a better term but they were limited to certain areas. You might see a documentary about it, there might be some political thing going on or a lesson at school but then you went home hung out with friends etc and never heard much.
Now you watch a game review Social Politics, a film review Social Politics, go on Twitter, Facebook etc Social Politics. While there probably isn't any more people preaching than before it's just everywhere you turn your head now and no one likes being lectured so you'll end up with a push back.
I'd love to enumerate why, but that would take too long, so I'll just go with the fact that you're exaggerated statement isn't even close to being true when it isn't exaggerated.
Jesus, try and get out. I probably look creepy half the time, and talking to a girl on the streets is usually an enjoyable interaction. The worst, absolute worst? They needed to hurry and were slightly rude because of it.
Get out of the basement.
EDIT: BTW the beta and alpha relationship in nature has been disproven.
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 17:49:47 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
BTW the beta and alpha relationship in nature has been disproven.
Yeano. Packs of animals ABSOLUTELY have leaders, cattle herds will have the alpha bull who gets the most cows, with betas who get the ones he doesn't want. Wolves have an alpha male, who leads the pack in hunting etc. Do you have any source on that or are you talking out of your arse/reposting from the worst part of Tumblr.
Yeah I read it and then I extrapolated the information back into the original discussion about human social interaction. Sorry if I interrupted your zoology discussion but in terms of humans, that alpha and beta bullshit is just that: bullshit.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:18:23 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then TIL we live in anarchy with no government. No politicians and no law enforcers. Or laws.
However, it is of limited use elsewhere. In many social animals, there is an alpha male and female, and in a large number of others the alpha is a position that is easily usurped.
In addition, the beta male is actually the second in command for the alpha, and is in a very high position in the hierarchy.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:12:45 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That specifically applies to Gray wolves, and reading further I discovered that there is still an alpha, but only because these packs are actually families, with the father in charge of the pups until they leave after a few years to start their own pack.
So in other words, the father is the one who raises the cubs? Sounds like someone you'd call beta.
EDIT: Sorry, I thought you were the original guy. Interesting. Still, the idea of an alpha as applied by Red Pillers and other idiots is a flawed idea of nature and a ridiculous thing to try and apply to humans.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:20:35 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, a beta is someone or something that just takes shit from other people/things and doesn't stand up for themselves, they can be men, women, wolfs, chimpanzees, I don't care, if you let people push you around for no reason, then grow a backbone and stand up for yourself.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:19:53 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Total nonsense. Whether its metaphorical or not, it exists. When you are your buddy go and talk to a couple of girls and he does the talking... yeah you're the beta male.
Fucking nonsense, buddy. What distinction is there between "alpha" and "beta"? What criteria is there? Is it possible to be both? In addition, that reduction of humans, especially men, to two types is sexist, absurd and ignores science.
american fixation with basements
Yeah, I'm English too (unfortunately, it'll mean I live near you).
The point is is that the logical result of the growing feminist movement is that there won't be equality, everything will be heavily skewed towards women. How many rape cases have you heard of recently where the guy had to prove he was innocent? Who was that athlete who got locked up for 6 years at 20 before she admitted she was lying... What happened to her... Nothing.
Yeah, I've heard of none. What have I heard of? Women across the world being raped and ignored, including friends of mine. The highest possible number of false rape accusations accepted in academia is 10%. This includes rape accusations that are actually against the wrong guy, and the woman was actually raped.
Also, fucking logical result? That's not logical. That's your opinion, when the logical result would be equality of the sexes, looking at basically every definition of feminism since the word was invented.
I was just in college and we didn't get kicked out for shit. Even my brothers frat used the n word around black people all the time and hazed. Don't let these guys trick you.
When are women going to figure out that most men are actually NOT rapists and their "sexual harassment" is just them not knowing how to get a girlfriend and taking a shitty best guess.
All of this shit is much more innocent than you realize.
It's really starting to get offensive that women just go around saying everything men do is basically rape and oppression. Fuck off, cunts.
These people have obviously not listened to death metal:
"Tearing at her flesh to know what is behind her skin. Her legs are open wide to ram my dick in. Smash her down, this bitch has gotta go, I cannot bear to let her live. Then she begs, so I break her fucking neck"
-Ingested (Skinned and Fucked)
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:39:17 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So I just listened to the song. How is what I said inaccurate? I'm not trying to start an argument. Metal "lyrics" don't matter when the guy isn't actually pronouncing the words.
adaam_93 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:09:41 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I don't see the humor here. They might be exaggerating about the harassment, but I don't see why that's funny.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:52:52 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is considered sexual harassment now? I understand literally calling someone a thousand times is harassment but it's now classified as sexual harassment? What is this world we live in today?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:33:04 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can't even tell anymore, is this satire against ridiculous feminists or is this someone's legit attempt to make a point about harassment?
Involuntarily pulpifying facial regions
Suffer, and then you die Torture, pulverized
At one with my sixth sense, I feel free
To kill as I please, no one can stop me
Created to kill, the carnage continues
Am I doing it right?
rush22 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:42:42 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not like we're being reactionary... They might as well put up "don't be SAE"
doyle871 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:26:43 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm getting old. What happened to the time when people understood a joke is just a joke and a song is just a song and no one took either seriously or needed to be read an essay to explain that neither are meant in a serious way before listening to them?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:28:09 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Baby this ain't love, it's clear to see. But, darlin, stay with me"
Basically every popular song is normalizing unhealthy sexual/romantic behavior.
No, the #KillAllMen folks. You know: female college students who aren't mature enough to tie their own shoes yet are allowed to dictate the actions of the campus administrators through undeserved shame tactics.
Anybody remember that Deana Carter song from the 90's; Strawberry Wine? Totally a song about a college dude getting a seventeen year old girl drunk on cheap wine and banging her next to a river.
Hey little girl wanna go for a ride?
There's room and my wagon is parked right outside
We can cruise down Robert Street all night long
But I think I'll just rape you and kill you instead.
Masstch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:03:36 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A smash hit love song from the sixties read like a textbook list of sociopathic behavior. I won't post all the lyrics here but look up "Johnny Angel". The girl sings of her vast love of the guy who doesn't acknowledge her, she shuns multiple suitors as she'd "rather wait and concentrate" on JA. She lives and dreams of his recognition and concludes with "how I love him and I pray that someday he'll love me; and together we will see how lovely Heaven will be...."
I think it sound like a plan for a murder-suicide.
I just figure she's a former addict and is on that "make amends" step of the program. Dude is totally not helping her by not letting her apologize for her past actions.
I also attend the University of Oklahoma. I have mixed feeling about these signs. Im 100% supportive of raising the awareness of sexual harassment but I dont agree with how they are doing it
Good thing Trevor Knight left. Would be kind of awkward if they were putting these up and he got caught calling Katy Perry 10 times a day asking when they are finally going to go on their first date.
Isn't this one of those displays that's has 2 images for 2 different heights
t5z003 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:22:17 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What's up with those!!!???!!! I saw some similarly "off" public service flyers like that at a school I briefly attended until apparently these exact types of victimizers started making my attendance there some kind of surreal hellscape. I thought twice about telling the school that the flyer was NOT ok, or representing any kind of social or politically neutral safety advice. The problem is just how harmless it seems at first, especially with rape and exploitation culture being what it is these days... but this kind of shit is part of the PROBLEM, NOT any SOLUTION. Forcing imaginary sexual assault victims into existence by way of a completely benign pop song, is TOTALLY comparable to memory coersion and the kind of completely insensitive disrespect for individual viewpoints, especially any MINORITY viewpoints that people concerned with sexual assault are supposed to be railing against in the patriarchal rape culture. This shit is SOOOOO dangerously, hatefully BACKWARDS. I mean I get it... we live in a world where someone like Rihanna still has credit as any kind of worthy human being that should ever be in front of a microphone as a woman or minority artist. She's basically the poster girl for why battered women show up dead in ditches when everyone knew they were being beaten for years and years. I understand the impetus to want to save young girls from that kind of hellish trashiness. But this is NOT the way. All this does is remove viable responsibility from young women and MEN, make them feel like shit for having completely NORMAL human feelings, while propping up some kind of semi retarded imaginary perpetual victim of Adele's song writing skills.
Sexual harassment is something that everyone needs to be aware of but I seriously doubt all songs are normalizing said behavior. There's this thing called exaggeration that many artists use...
Franetic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:37:30 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
even great songs...!??
Since when has pop music been considered anything but basic, rehashed paint by numbers product for the unwashed masses to consume?
I mean, Adele can certainly sing, but her songs are exactly the same as all the crappy soft rock/ easy listening shit that all the soccer moms listened to back in the 80's.
You are not a special snowflake, your taste is just as bland and obnoxious as everyone else.
Franetic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:54:20 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'll have you know, I only listen to the most skilled musicians on the planet who create the most profound art ever to exist that is so obscure and underground that know-one has heard of them yet.
What does "normalize" mean in this context? I'm guessing this is in the UK because in the USA, the word as used would roughly equate to "making it ok".
It's the US (from what I gather in the other threads). But your interpretation of normalize is likely the intended use. To make something normal or Ok.
Ok, guess I thought this was a PSA or warning. A lot of the comments in the thread seemed to be around the idea that songs themselves could be part of the harassment
kyndo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:07:54 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Putting aside how unrealistic their apparent goal of censorship is (seriously... it's a good cause, but fight the battles you can both win and are actually going to help fix the problem...), I don't think calling somebody repeatedly can be classified as sexual assault, unless for some reason you answer every time and listen to them make at least one sexual comment before hanging up...
It doesn't make a lot of sense to me either, which is why i said 'apparent' goal. Why put posters up about song lyrics if you didn't have a problem with them? Unless they were just pointing out the meaning of the lyrics with no agenda.... which seems unlikely given the tag line and the campaign emblems along the bottom of the poster
I meant trying to reduce sexual harassment in general, not this ridiculous poster campaign.
volfin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:46:36 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sad that society has stooped to the point of trying to find something sinister in everything.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:56:27 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What ever happened to "All's Fair in Love and War," it seems to me people are forgetting how tragic love is my it's nature. Of course, along with the tragedy is great comedy. Nonetheless, I call us to not belittle the full nature of love with our ego's self-protecting interpretations.
HA! It's an expensive day care center for entitled brats who think they are always right and believe that they have the authority to dictate even the thoughts of other people.
"Open up, police!" "Is there a problem officer?" "You called this man a thousand times within the past decade, you are under arrest." "He never picked up! And that's only every three days!" "He didn't like it. I've a feeling that you'll be a lifer." "Well, what about his lost cat?" "Oh."
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:30:59 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"He sees you when you're sleeping, he knows when you are awake, he knows if you've been bad or good, so be good for goodness sake..."
Hi, I'm an intern in the office that this campaign comes from & I worked on this project.
Thank you, Reddit, for giving our office an interesting Monday morning and lots of laughs to start the week off.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:48:22 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, that's it. Feminists are no longer considered "intelligent species". This makes them inferior to dolphins, pigs, chimps, and even octopi.
jaemann ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:17:31 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
YES YES YES!!! Every time I hear that song (Or most of her songs) I think she's a crazy stalker lady. If a man called me a hundred times unsolicited I'd have a restraining order.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:32:51 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is funny people get stalked and raped and murdered and you're making fun of it. Hahaha.
I'm sorry, but Adele does normalize unhealthy behavior.
It's too weird for me- it's hard to sing along too.
Edit: I was considering the context of this comment and I just wanted to make it clear that I don't think she normalizes sexual harassment, just unhealthy behaviors. Stalking being one of them.
This isn't funny. This is Feminism. this is lunacy. Women are basically toddlers. This is an example of how big of a failure females in the USA and other western civilizations really are. Females always have to make up lies in order to get attention. Not allowing females to pull this bullshit is the biggest thing Saudia Arabia has going for it, it is the one thing they are doing most right. Females shouldn't be allowed to walk around in public. They cause too much damage when they do.
cRaziMan ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:36:54 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Saved comment
sinRes ยท 1009 points ยท Posted at 18:04:52 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"I'm never gonna give you up."
-Rick Astley
Even great songs can normalize sexual harassment
Targetshopper4000 ยท 532 points ยท Posted at 19:46:39 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Hey bitch, Wait till you see my dick" -Ying Yang Twins.
hostilepenguin ยท 183 points ยท Posted at 20:52:32 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Scaramouch, Scaramouch will you do the Fandango".
That's a hostile work environment
AdolphsLabia ยท 73 points ยท Posted at 21:08:56 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Sitting on a park bench eyeing little girls with bad intent." - Jethro Tull Literally about a pedophile.
AdrianBlake ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 22:16:52 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Smack my bitch up, Smack my bitch up." - Derogatory language about women
Letmefixthatforyouyo ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 22:55:38 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In the video for that song, the protagonist is a women.
It was a women "smacking her bitch up." Its not clear if "her bitch" was a man or a woman.
Wild_Bill_Kickcock ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:31:55 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The sample is "change my pitch up, smack my bitch up" from am Ultramagnetic MC'S song, I'm pretty sure Kool Keith meant what he said
motionmatrix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:44 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The end of the video would indicate a woman if that is the interpretation.
Moerkemann ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 00:56:06 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Smack is slang for heroin too, right?
I was left with the impression that the song was more about drug addiction rather than abuse of a woman.
almightySapling ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:24:10 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Absofuckinglutely.
guustavoalmadovar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:04:30 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's about he and his missus doing smack.
Moerkemann ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:02:55 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not that I think you're inherently wrong, I just want to point out that the person in the video which you saw the POV of, was a woman.
zebediah49 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:56:50 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"superman 'dat hoe" - Need I say more?
MasoKist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:43:25 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm... yes.
godgoo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:06:39 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
'change my pitch up, smack my bitch up'
Karate_Prom ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:58:28 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Actin' funny and I don't know why, excuse me while I kiss this guy."
Come on Jimi, polite but no means no.
AdrianBlake ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:08:09 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"It's not fair, to remind me, of the cross eyed bear that you gave to me!"
Kids, endangered animals shouldn't be pets, and animals with medical needs should be left to professionals.
OldirtySapper ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:19:29 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You could at least quote the song right.....it was really about beating dogs tho......
stanfan114 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:23:40 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't you struggle
Don't you fight
Don't you worry cause it's your turn tonight
Let me put my love into you babe
doctor_why ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:14:38 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, about a homeless man his ex-wife photographed.
nipplepotamus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:10:36 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is the best one I've seen. Laughed so hard I pooped a little. Good thing I'm on the toilet
Hoss7575 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:32:04 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"What what in the butt" -Samwell
frogbertrocks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:13:19 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Triggered you shitlord.
hostilepenguin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:17:24 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
QuickStopRandal ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:57:35 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"NO, I WILL NOT PRE-PURCHASE MY GOD DAMN MOVIE TICKETS, FUCK OFF FANDANGO!"
Jackin_The_Beanstalk ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:01:32 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You might like my penis
http://youtu.be/z4iiyRv_NrQ
[deleted] ยท 126 points ยท Posted at 20:05:09 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted]
DiceDawson ยท 72 points ยท Posted at 22:02:56 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
TIL Billy Ocean is black. I shit you not.
jerkmanj ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 22:27:27 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
TIL that song was by Billy Ocean. I hate that song, so I just assumed it was by a heartland rock white guy.
inthyface ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:12:18 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Suddenly...
aznluvr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:22:31 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A mad racist appears!
BullitproofSoul ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:25:56 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Huh? I once made a list of artists I would love to collaborate with, and Billy Ocean was near the top. His voice is amazing.
Penthesilean ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:54:37 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, there's no accounting for lack of taste. I adore Billy Ocean. The fact that he was (still is?) super hot doesn't hurt either.
crisperfest ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:05:32 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Me too. And his voice is still great, even as recently as 2009: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAjInKiOkqo
william_fontaine ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:16:11 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Jump in my car. I want to take you home." - David "The Hoff" Hasselhoff
Bronn_McClane ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:21:15 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Skeet so much they call her Billy Ocean" - Ying Yang Twins.
And we've come full circle
dhorvath127 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:53:26 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Bitch, get in my car."
-50 cent
SpeedGeek ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 20:35:20 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"I wanna be your Krakatoa. Let my lava flow all over you."
-"Weird Al" Yankovic
MizzElissa ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 00:08:05 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"I hope I'm not being forward, but do you mind if I chew on your butt?"
-"Weird Al" Yankovik
WeirdAlFan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:28:37 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I approve.
arrows83 ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 21:00:35 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"And if you cry out, I'm gonna push it, push it, push it some more" -Inner Circle
paby ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:15:56 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That song always completely grossed me out as a kid. Eww.
RikF ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:11:27 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"if you only knew
How easy it would be to show me how you feel
More than words is all you have to do to make it real
Then you wouldn't have to say that you love me
Cause I'd already know "
NancyGracesTesticles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:50:15 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, it's a song about a blowjob, so...
Basement_Kidneys ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 20:12:10 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Sittn' at home with my dick hard." -2 live crew
HailAtlantis ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:34:29 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What's wrong, baby doll, with a quick nut?
worstsupervillanever ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:24:49 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mickey Avalon
kill3rfurby ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:27:34 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Wu Tang Clan ain't nuthin ta fuck wit" -Wu Tang Clan.
Roook36 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:24:36 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"I love your smile"
Even great songs can normalize rape threats
x-y-z-p-q-r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:08:40 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
pfft.
"When I get you all alone, I'm gonna move in nice and close. Ain't nobody gonna interrupt my game, yea-yea-yea."
"Ever since you been hangin' 'round, I've been tryin' to figure out what I can say to you to get some play, yea-a"
Faded - Soul Decision
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:27:18 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"I was thinking of you. I was all by myself." - Green Day
GaProgMan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:45:19 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"now you suck, suck it hard, go down baby, you suck, lick it hard, and move your tongueย around."
Even great songs can normalize sexual harassment
enforcingstereotypes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:02:36 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Baby was a virgin, that's what she said So I gave her some Hennesey, she gave me some head"
TrevWest ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:06:34 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can't even lie, I fuck better when I'm drankin Ride dick like a pro, throw the pussy like I'm famous Pussy feels so good, feels like the rubber off, ain't it? You ain't gotta tell me, I know this pussy be yankin This pussy be yankin, I know this pussy be yankin. -Lady
otherwiser ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:04:33 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"great"
Rodmeister36 ยท 130 points ยท Posted at 18:08:56 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
thats just normal harassment tho
Indigoh ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 21:20:34 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not even. It's followed by "To tell you I'm sorry for everything that I've done, but when I call you never seem to be home."
It might be harassment if the person ever picked up and told her to stop calling.
RixenRae ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 03:14:09 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
it would still be harassment. Dude is obviously avoiding her calls.
Indigoh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:22:06 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not by the legal definition.
Calling to apologize is not a threat or demand. The listed potential purposes are nowhere near either.
*edit
And even less so for the non-legal version
fedora-tion ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:57:43 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"including" not "limited to"
Indigoh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:22:13 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apologizing is still nothing like any of the things included.
icybluetears ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:40:41 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But, she's not calling a man. The song is her talking to her younger self.
Indigoh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:41:54 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She's harassing her younger self. D:<
icybluetears ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:46:26 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wish I could. I was young and stupid and probably needed my older self to get some common sense in to me. I definitely didn't listen to anyone else.
cuteman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:43:55 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget that answering machines and voice-mail are a protected class, so you're really encroaching on their right to a safe space. You can be arrested depending on what feminists on Twitter had for lunch and what astrological moon phase it happens to be.
GOU_NoMoreMrNiceGuy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:20:19 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
nah. these days if it involves a woman in any way shape or form (this really applies to feminazis btw), it's sexual harassment.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:59:39 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It does say normalize though...
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 21:15:58 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If any female singer was calling me 1000 times a day, I might not think it was harassment, but Adele? No thanks.
IIGe0II ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:04:12 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
RugBurnDogDick ยท 1988 points ยท Posted at 15:07:43 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Every breath you take and every move you make. Every bond you break, every step you take, I'll be watching you.
GoatBased ยท 137 points ยท Posted at 20:13:41 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
- Sting
pizzahedron ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 01:13:36 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
who thinks that song is romantic!?!
NukaCooler ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 03:01:32 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Romantics.
FrankGoreStoleMyBike ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:59:51 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also, rapists.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 04:14:29 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I looked at them
KFCSI ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:58:18 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
seriously
originalmaja ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:15:57 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone who made a cover of the song
A_Stoned_Smurf ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:58:36 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Literally every girl I've ever spoken to.
jaemann ยท 79 points ยท Posted at 18:18:01 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love the interview where he is talking about how shocked he is that people think this is romantic.
spaceisprettybig ยท 984 points ยท Posted at 16:30:42 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Um... that song is actually about a stalker...
MortalitySalient ยท 169 points ยท Posted at 17:54:05 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought it was about Biggie Smalls /s
jaemann ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 18:19:52 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My brain went with Biggie Shorty instead.
popeyematt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:48:15 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would just like to add, that Pootie Tang can kick some ass.
jaemann ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:24:45 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wa da tao.
3_M4N ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:24:43 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm going to sine your pitty on the runny kine!
snoogans122 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:35:27 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh so if a woman stands on a street corner in provocative clothing and dances around she's automatically hookin'?!
jaemann ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:32:11 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I saw this in my inbox and forgot the gif. I was thinking "What on earth could I have possibly commented on...."
HoobidyMcBoobidy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:40:07 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pootie done did it again!
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:44:08 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why is every other gif about Louis CK? A WHITE MAN!!!0
laughmath ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:11:21 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because he directed the movie that gif is from.
HurleyDavidson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:09:24 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Which was basically taken away from him during production.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:17:31 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, I see! Thanks for whitemansplaining that to me!
jaemann ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:25:30 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know what you're seeing. All the other gifs I see when I click on that are of her.
RasulaTab ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 17:14:28 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For more info and a great practical demonstration: I heartily recommend the film Cat's Eye, written by Stephen King.
I absolutely guarantee you will not regret watching it.
SMOKIN-ON-BIEBERS ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:12:27 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Still want a cigarette ?
infinitee775 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:57:20 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I want you to lose that 10 pounds by the end of the month or we'll cut off your little finger!
RasulaTab ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:06:03 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
N-no! I swear I haven't wanted one for at least two weeks now! I swear!
aerovirus22 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:37:55 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes.
DragonToothGarden ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:24:32 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I regretted it in the sense that I watched it at age 8 and was scared to sleep for several years. The little demon wielding the knife, then the psychological terror of the smoker.
jimbojonesFA ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 18:26:00 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wasn't that OP's point though?
audiyon ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:18:29 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The sign in OPs post is about a song referencing sexual harassment as normal. The song quoted above is not intended to be normal, its understood that it is about a stalker.
jimbojonesFA ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:35:28 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeaaaa... I was talking about OP of the thread not the post. (as in the person who quoted the police lyrics originally)
switch6lade ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:00:19 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Before Reddit appropriated the term, 'OP' was only ever used to refer solely to the original poster, ie. one person. This kind of situation is evidence enough that the word has basically no meaning here.
BLASPHEMOUS_ERECTION ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 19:51:51 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No shit? That's the reason they posted it in this thread ya dingus
frugalera ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:26:20 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ya fruitloop dingus!!
US_Space_Force ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:14:37 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dingus!!!!
snoogans122 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:36:02 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't talk to hunks like that or they'll break your bones.
spaceisprettybig ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:57:01 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Dingus"?... oh god, it's happened I'M TRAPPED IN A 90S FAMILY SITCOM!!!
shadowofthe ยท 330 points ยท Posted at 16:44:36 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's actually about the government
raymondclark0 ยท 196 points ยท Posted at 16:56:44 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, a stalker!
vw2fasty ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 17:11:11 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
farther Christmas...
princelabia ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 17:42:12 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes farther
____tim ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:01:07 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You are not the farther!
mka3421 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 18:23:26 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Puke, I am your Farther
MetaMythical ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 18:34:56 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dert's nert trur!
Dert's emperseburr!
Christothefirst ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:40:16 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Serch yer ferlengs you kner it to be trer
blaaaahhhhh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:19:41 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Rarther the brarther
Supertrinko ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:41:01 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh new Jeremy Kyle episodes?
UNSTABLETON_LIVE ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:33:52 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's me, your farther
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:04:16 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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TankyTinCan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:13:11 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nice
chalupa8080 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:09:58 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fasha can you hear me?
LouisCPfeiffer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:49:51 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ya crazy Dutch bastard
makederr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:34:34 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No...just the tip..
TheThillyGooth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:32:15 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Get out of here!
Tift ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 19:32:11 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Weird? with lyrics like:
"Since you've gone I been lost without a trace I dream at night I can only see your face I look around but it's you I can't replace I feel so cold and I long for your embrace I keep crying baby, baby please"
Didn't know the Govt felt that way about me.
sephlington ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:53:36 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh no. Did the government never tell you? Eurgh, that just makes it creepier :(
ladayen ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 19:11:10 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
err no. It was written about the authors ex. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Every_Breath_You_Take
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:33:47 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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ladayen ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:07:03 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah i was correcting the guy who said government. In hindsight I think it was a joke that wooshed over my head.
joshmoneymusic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:09:22 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're thinking of Eye in the Sky.
saml01 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:53:17 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Stalins favorite song.
Level126 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:58:00 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
WHY CAN'T YOU SEE, YOU BELONG TO ME?
Ean_Manley ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:23:57 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was written right after a bad break up. They played it at the trial where she asked for a restraining order. It's not about the government.
blasterbrewmaster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:36:20 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
slowbro.jpg
scifiwoman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:41:38 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And yet people have it as their wedding song. Go figure.
CogentHyena ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:17:56 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
By stalker so you mean Sting? Cause this song is about Sting stalking his ex wife.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:18:15 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's actually about the Cold War.
fuckboystrikesagain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:04:00 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Um... that song is about his kid, dumbass.
spaceisprettybig ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:54:48 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"I think the song is very, very sinister and ugly and people have actually misinterpreted it as being a gentle little love song, when it's quite the opposite"
-Sting
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:40:26 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/that'sthepoint
ButtsexEurope ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:39:48 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So are these lyrics. It's not sexual harassment. Get your sex crimes right.
Thinking_waffle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:00:51 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It makes me remember another song that I have heard a few month ago. It's form the 90's but for now I was old enough to listen and understand the lyrics. I (in fact, we) were disturbed by the "I wish you were a mermaid 'cause you would live in my bathtub" and "I wish to make you eat so you could not pass the door". It's not 100% the correct lyrics so I can't it
Terminal-Psychosis ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:28:41 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
That song is political.
Sting once said it was the most political song he'd ever done.
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 17:12:20 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
actually its not thats just the common interpetation
Zvarlea ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 17:50:32 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Every_Breath_You_Take
coffeebribesaccepted ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:25:07 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well anyone would say that at an [11]!
PM_ME_LEGAL_PAPERS ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 17:20:07 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Wherever you go, whatever you do, I will be right here waiting for you."
jimbojonesFA ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 18:27:08 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"You belong to me"
FACE_Ghost ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:33:16 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"I will stand by you forever"
SawinBunda ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:21:09 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"I really really really really really really like you!"
sveitthrone ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 16:32:43 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They call me The Hunter .... Aint no need to run, 'cause I've got you in the sights of my gun ... When I get a hold of you honey, gonna light you up like Christmas....
AslandusTheLaster ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:46:14 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought we were talking about sexual harassment, not assassination...
sveitthrone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:47:09 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Psst.... 'Gun' means penis.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:43:18 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or Danzigs "the stalker song" https://youtu.be/QZK-urhtLtk
DemonRemover ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:04:02 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I fucking love Danzig, man
TouchDownBurrito ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:58:37 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently he's a pretty shitty neighbor.
http://www.funnyordie.com/articles/15125f27d2/glenn-danzig-bad-neighbor?_cc=__m___&_ccid=3c1ab939207aa60b
sveitthrone ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:15:54 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Gotta admit, I tossed that album on the turntable after posting that.
Scott10012 ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 15:44:34 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
darbymowell ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:24:52 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I legit love Sting but eek
MattieShoes ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:14:45 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
http://i.imgur.com/c7WeSnN.jpg
darbymowell ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:05:51 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That glorious bastard
BastardStoleMyName ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:35:26 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
eek is exactly what that song was about. People took it as this love ballad, but it was a song about how creepy stalkers are.
darbymowell ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:41:46 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, better Sting than any other member of the Police, but still, better no one at all than Sting.
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Bottled_Void ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:27:35 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I believe it's from when he used to be a teacher and it was from the perspective of a teenage girl that was stalking him.
But I mean, can you imagine being a teenage girl and having hot, young, Sting as your teacher.
doctor_why ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:17:18 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That was his intent.
sephlington ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:54:18 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Huh. I was expecting Overly Attached Girlfriend.
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 16:24:40 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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From_My_Brain ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 16:29:34 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Even The Police have said that song isn't about love.
Zaku0083 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:52:59 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The police have some wonderful song subjects that became popular.
Stalking
Teacher Student Romance
I should look through their discography, I could probably find more...
AerThreepwood ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:17:25 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Roxanne is about a prostitute.
Sherm ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:10:59 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Synchronicity II is about domestic strife so unbearable, it awakens a savage monster to wreak havoc on the world.
ninja_chinchilla ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:13:57 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can't Stand Losing You is about teen suicide.
Scott10012 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:52:56 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know, Feminists AMR? XD
quickquest88 ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 16:25:21 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That was a golden missed opportunity for OAG.
Scott10012 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:52:35 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
whats OAG?
Dementat_Deus ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:03:27 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
overly attached girlfriend
Scott10012 ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 17:06:32 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
man, you shouldn't use that meme everywhere, you might seem obsessed with i- ok I'm walking myself out.
quickquest88 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:47 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Overly Attached Girlfriend
http://www.adweek.com/files/blogs/overly_attached_computer.jpg
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:21:44 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Itsapocalypse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:04:46 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Mom and dad can't help you anymore
Get in the car we'll drive far to the edge of the shore
Under the docks
On top of the rocks
Knock knock knock knock
Why the fuck are the doors locked?!"
-as well as every other line, Macaulay McCulkin, The Fall of Troy
Concise_Pirate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:42:22 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm right behind you, Charlene by Stephen Colbert
IDontHaveLettuce ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:49:43 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wear my sunglasses at night...
Quackenstein ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:58:51 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I Want You - Elvis Costello
Incredibly beautiful and incredibly disturbing.
periander ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:14:24 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like Party Girl too.
notafraid1989 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:31:00 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One way or another, I'm gonna find ya. I'm gonna get ya get ya get ya.
I will drive past your house. And if the lights are all down, I'll see who's around.
periander ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:16:36 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ween's contribution to the creepy song genre - Object: https://youtu.be/fCSGM5mBrWY
moeburn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:47:09 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
AeonPrime82 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:52:45 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oddly enough this song is almost guaranteed to be played at wedding receptions.
Correction, maybe not as many as it used to be.
There is also the song "don't stand (so close to me)", people also love that song when it's about a Lolita type relationship between a teacher and student.
When I think about it, people clearly do not pay attention to the lyrics of the police songs.
ironoctopus ยท 465 points ยท Posted at 18:20:51 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
--Even great songs can normalize hyperbole.
Awareness is the key.
Pass it on.
Vandechoz ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 19:36:02 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
OP please post this around campus.
DidItForTheStory ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:15:11 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Think of the karma OP!
Seriously, this would be hilarious
GoatBased ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:15:45 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think that's actually hyperbole, though. He'd really do it.
brbphone ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:41:36 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did everyone on reddit learn what hyperbole means last week? See this getting thrown around in every thread.
paulec252 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:49:12 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't it what comes after the Superbole?
I only watch the Hyperbole for the commercials anyway...
Badb0ybilly ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:54:56 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I really really hope that was intentional... I just can't tell
GravityTheory ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:48:58 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They probably think it's easier to spell than exaggerated
GoatBased ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:50:00 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure. This is the first post where I've noticed it come up a lot.
SirUtnut ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:19:11 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The issue isn't the literal number "1000". It's the idea of still trying to contact an ex when they clearly don't want you to.
AgMan530 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 22:02:42 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
FTFY, or at least that's the way my brain always fixes those lyrics
ironoctopus ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:07:54 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry buddy, the song is called "500 Miles". I worked retail in the 90's and was subjected to it more than I care to remember.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:28:55 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ba dah dah
MiniQ666 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:26:16 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's technically "I'm Gonna be (500 Miles)"
AgMan530 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:15:22 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know, it just better (more ridiculous) my way!
donkey_houtei ยท 1137 points ยท Posted at 17:28:01 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What does calling somebody a thousand times have anything to do with sexual harassment? Just sounds like normal harassment to me.
Faryshta ยท 417 points ยท Posted at 17:47:07 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
because when he picked the phone there were moans and heavy breathings only
CyboMatto ยท 647 points ยท Posted at 18:21:03 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She's just not in that good of shape.
Targetshopper4000 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:45:36 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If Taylor Swift called him he would've picked up halfway through the first ring.
jonosvision ยท 85 points ยท Posted at 19:19:38 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She probably thought she was calling the local pizza place.
A_Cats_Opinion ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:20:59 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not to mention she used to smoke. That would make anyone wheeze and gasp.
DragonToothGarden ยท 212 points ยท Posted at 19:28:52 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I actually had to deal with this my first year of law school when I lived on campus. EVERY FUCKING NIGHT some fuckers called my number and panted, "I want to eat your pussy."
Every. Fucking. Night. They'd laugh hysterically like little boys after I'd say please call someone else/my pussy stinks/I have homework/how can you not be bored calling the same girl each night. Sometimes multiple calls in the same night. Usually they were nice enough not to call past midnight, but a few times they called at 2am and I really wanted to fuck them up.
The police got involved and set up a sting where I'd meet up with one guy in a library on-campus. I had 4 cops in my room listening in on the call, trying not to laugh as I tried to keep the guy on the line, then one fool cop who didn't turn his radio volume down accidentally alerted the callers.
Turned out to be two other guys IN MY FUCKING YEAR who lived one floor below me. Since the numbers for the on-campus law students were all very similar, I suppose they randomly dialed similar numbers until they found a female. These were grown-ass "men" who tortured me with calls and I could not change my number (mid-90s) as it was a campus number (private property, would not permit call-blocking, caller ID or tracing). 20k in tuition alone, and these fools were making crank calls.
Yes. These were the young, bright lawyers of the future.
Edit: If you two little shits are reading this, Miko told me the bald one had a tiny dick.
MulderD ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 23:40:31 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, they had to practice their sexual harassment in college so it would be polished for the work place.
cloud_watcher ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 00:06:51 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Unethical behavior? From lawyers? Can this be true?
DragonToothGarden ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:17:49 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, they were just first year students. Who knows if they grew up or not. I hope they did. Bad lawyers make the honest ones look bad.
PhantomPhantastic ยท -39 points ยท Posted at 20:41:12 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If the bald one didn't have a tiny dick, would you want him trying to prove Miko wrong?
It's interesting how people in today's society complain about the patriarchy and then judge/insult people by calling them tiny-dicked virgins. Makes you wonder who's actually reinforcing the behavior you hate.
what_comes_after_q ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 21:38:59 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
... Are you complaining about feminism because the woman called the cops on guys that were clearly harassing her?
And how does calling out someone's tiny dick hypocritical of wanting equality of genders? It's not.
Where did the virgin comment come from? It really just sounds like you might be projecting if you're adding in details that didn't exist.
merrickx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:23:10 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They were obviously complaining because of the tiny dick comment, specifically. In any case though, they sound like an idiot, but we don't need to make disingenuous remarks to see that.
Depends entirely on who you're asking, like the "gendered slur" complainers who sometimes have something to say about the dickheads using words like "bitch".
PhantomPhantastic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:38:13 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hear hear! Me being or even sounding like an idiot doesn't make my point any less valid!
PhantomPhantastic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:42:29 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nope.
Why did you ask me if you were going to answer your own question? As far as where the hypocrisy lies: if your main problem is the oppression from one gender trying to enforce their masculinity in another, perhaps you shouldn't validate that behavior by implying a deficit in that masculinity is something to be insulted or ashamed by.
Well, clearly I am only 12 if you've been following the desperate complaints of individuals wanting some superiority over me, I thought being a virgin at that age was okay? This is terrible news, I have to try harder to have sex to feel validated, whether I'm emotionally ready or not!
Blue_24 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:18:23 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is, actually. It's the equivalent of telling a girl her vagina isn't tight enough (you consider that sexist right?). I knew a girl in highschool that tried to kill herself over such a comment, and I know men who don't date because they think their penises are too small. Gential shaming just widens the divide between men and women while erasing the bodies of trans and intersex people (it normalises only two kinds of genitals).
what_comes_after_q ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 07:22:30 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, I don't. Because it's not. Guys can call other guys tiny dicks, girls can call guys tiny dicks. Guys call girls bitches. Girls call girls bitches.
Name calling is not a gender issue. That's such a non issue.
Blue_24 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:34:53 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
what? I didn't talk about name calling. This tells me that you're not responding to my comments but rather what you think I'm going to say.
I never used the words "bitch" or "name calling" in the above comment. If you read that somewhere, it was was different user in a different comment. Genital shaming is not the same thing as name calling.
DragonToothGarden ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 20:54:14 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He can't prove Miko wrong. His dick is tiny. She wouldn't lie.
Stop your bitchass whining about "patriarchy". Did you see me complaining about that? No. Someone calling my line several hundred times for months on end is the definition of harassment whether I'm female or male and whether they are female or male. What's this patriarchy nonsense? Their conduct was illegal. They nearly got tossed out of school on top of it.
ThanksCrystals ยท -21 points ยท Posted at 21:29:59 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
You didn't complain about that--so it is unfair to lump you in with those who do--but I think his point still has some merit. Granted, you didn't personally identify them and it's not likely they'll ever see this (though you addressed it to them specifically in case they do), but you did decide--evidently after your initial post--to insult one of them by saying you heard he had a small dick. Everything you said about them prior was demonstrably warranted, and then you decided you had to throw that in. What does that have to do with anything? You obviously meant it as an insult, but how does it apply?
I (and, I would guess, Phantom) am not saying that you, individually, are bad person or a hypocritical person for going there, but rather that's it's demonstrative of some sort of societal double standard. You felt comfortable saying it because it's generally considered acceptable. If the roles were reversed--if a man gave a long story about a woman harassing him and rightly condemning her actions, and then threw in "oh by the way she's got a gross vagina"--you can bet it would not be well received by reasonable people. I'm not saying "it's not fair! I want to use a woman's physical features as a catch-all insult!" I don't want to do that. I'm saying that if we poo-poo judging or insulting women based on their physical features (even when they have no bearing on what they did to earn an insult), then we should also poo-poo judging a man in the same way.
And, please note, I'm not directing this toward women only. Men use the same insults against other men all the time, and I don't regard that any differently.
Edit: So I guess all the downvoting is to say "yes, we DO want to selectively insult people based on physical traits unrelated to something actually deserving of criticism" ? Or am I just a Bad Person by proxy (to Phantom), despite having a distinctly different take? I guess the negative reaction--but complete lack of response--shows that these questions are apparently too difficult to address, so we'll just bury them instead. Who would've known...
DragonToothGarden ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:27:36 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Ok, admittedly I didn't read your entire thesis because I am lazy. But I will say this: if any person, man or woman, engages in illegal conduct and, for example, calls me 300 times over a several month period with panting of "I want to eat your pussy" (and sometimes other variations of the same), I do not owe them polite behavior or respect.
I don't care about how other people would receive my comments about those two guys. And, if women did the same thing, I would feel they'd deserve any crass comment made anonymously on Reddit to them.
That is the beauty of living in a free country. We can insult as we wish, so long as its done within certain parameters (such as not in an employment situation). My insulting them is legal. They don't like it? Tough shit.
I can call those guys (who got caught) a limp-dicked motherfucker. If a woman did the same thing to a guy he could likewise call her a nasty whore-ass bitch, or whatever comment he liked. Some may not like it, but as I say, tough shit.
I have no idea where the other dude is coming up with "patriarchy" nonsense. I'm not of that generation to begin with and it was not even an issue in my post.
Yes, my comment was crass and childish, but I enjoyed saying it, and I owed those two zero respect. I don't care if I offend other men. Its not about other men. Its about two men who did illegal things for months on end, and nearly got kicked out of law school for it. These morons risked their future, at a school with tuition of 20k a year, risked not getting admitted to the bar given the background check, all because they felt they needed to call me 300 times and discuss my pussy.
If a woman did that to a guy, he's free to say anything disrespectful right back.
Since when do we own people who commit criminal acts some sort of respect when anonymously commenting about them on Reddit?
I'm not about safe spaces. I could care less. Patriarchy? Where the hell did that dipshit come up with that?
He is trying to create issues where none exist, then attempting to laugh it off because he looks stupid, makes no sense and is trying to save face.
ThanksCrystals ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:04:19 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It seems a little backwards to not read my entire "thesis" and then write something equally as long. But I've read your every word because, well, why not?
No one's saying your prank callers aren't deserving of ridicule, or at least I'm not. You're fully justified. And so far as I've seen, no one's challenged your freedom of speech either. I'm not questioning the legality of your insults. I assumed all of that was a given.
What's evidently not a given is that I don't agree with much of the other guy's general direction, and did not chime in to form an alliance with him. I thought my own direction sufficiently demonstrated that, but I guess one could miss it if they didn't read it. I'm not here to denounce feminism, or defend all men, or even defend those two boys on the phone. I was really just examining the insult itself--not your specific use or his specific targeting, just its general existence (using your specific instance as an example for its general use). Why go there when it has no real bearing on most situations, especially when (as in your case) there is an abundance of evident and objectively worse qualities to insult? Given the overwhelmingly negative reaction--and, up til now, zero actual response--I can see that they're questions no one wants to answer. Because having to answer them, I suspect, takes all the fun out of it. So carry on, I guess. I'll see myself out.
Blue_24 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:20:45 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
what I don't understand is how someone so well written gets downvoted so hard.
You didn't give an opinion on the two boys at all. You critiqued the language.
ThanksCrystals ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:46:04 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, thanks!
I think there's a lot of different things that go into downvoting (and upvoting), more than it's probably worth to go into now. It frustrates me a little more than it should in part because I don't usually downvote anything, even things addressed to me. I guess there's a "generational" divide wherein people who've used the Internet long before reddit don't think of the voting as a complete form of expression. Or maybe it's just me!
DragonToothGarden ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:12:10 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Answer: Because those little shits tortured me for six months straight and I could not stop it. I had to move out and live with my boyfriend at one point. They committed criminal acts. They had to pay no price.
And, he did have a small dick (as I said, Miko would not lie).
So, why did I say it? Because it fucking felt GOOD! Also, this is Reddit. An informal forum. I'm not about to put in deep effort into thinking up better insults. I have better things to do with my time. Like pet my dog.
BTW: I felt I owed it to you to read the entirety of your post as you took the time and care to post it.
ThanksCrystals ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:57:05 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not a question of whether or not he deserves to be insulted: it's been well established that he does. It's not a question of whether or not it feels good to insult him; it's obviously cathartic. It's not even a question of whether or not the insult is true. It's a question of why the insult/truth matters, why it feels good to go there specifically. (Part of me also wonders why your good friend was in any position to see this awful boy's dick, but that's beside the point.) I know they're not questions you want to entertain on an informal forum, but I think they're worth examining sometime.
DragonToothGarden ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:20:08 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Why? Why the need for a deep, philosophical discussion on this? You are welcome to ponder what you see as a fascinating issue if that interests you.
I will continue to call assholes "limpdick" or whatever appropriate, cathartic term feels right (different insults for women) and feel no need to do dig deep inside as to the why.
Edit: In fairness to you, it is a reasonable and potentially interesting thing now that I think about it a bit more, but I suppose that would involve an analysis of social, personal, and psychological matter and my personal morals, values, how to right a wrong, etc. And, I just want to drink my hot chocolate.
More Edit: Why did Miko see Jason's (I finally remember his name... I think) dick. We were not yet sure he was the guy calling. She was a really nice, but very weak person who needed male validation (to the point where she dated men that cheated on her and walked all over her and she allowed it and coddled them like little boys). She was stunningly beautiful as well. And when she told me she had a crush on him...HIM...I couldn't understand at that age.
Now I understand. She was depressed, going through a divorce, was a bit older at 30 (most of us were about 23-24), and she needed some validation. Limpdick honed in on that, and realized that if he pretended not to care about her, she's chase him more. She was so far out of his league not just in looks, but in quality of a person. She was so kind, giving, generous and he was a snide, little shit who was generally disliked by most, and kept up this "ghetto" persona with his "pussy calling" buddy. (Don't ask how they got accepted into law school. There were no face-to-face interviews.)
So, one night Limpdick and his pussy buddy spend the night at my place. I have my room to myself. Miko hooks up with Limpdick in another room and his pussy buddy either slept on my couch or went downstairs to his room. Later, Miko tells me she gave him oral sex, to which I said, "WHAT? Why? He never was nice to you at all, never took you out to coffee a single time, never wanted to even get to know you."
And, after him, she moved on to another boyfriend who treated her like dirt, and our friendship fell apart. Last I heard, she's not a lawyer (never was) is still incredibly beautiful at 47 or so (looks 30) and has 2 kids. I think she's single, and I really hope she's happy. I miss her and our fun times.
ThanksCrystals ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:28:16 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not meant to be philosophical; if anything, it's sociological. And it was less an invitation for discussion, here, now, and with me--as it's beyond clear that no one here wants to have it--but more a suggestion of something to ponder when dogs and cocoa are unavailable. You evidently found it at least a little intriguing after giving it more than a moment's thought, so it wouldn't necessarily be a terrible waste of time when you're not not in the mood for it.
DragonToothGarden ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:36:57 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I suppose (now that I have my hot chocolate with a bit of liqueur to relax my back)...if I remember the original question...to say it is an easy insult. Its quick, straight to the point and if he were to hear it, it would hurt.
Now, if I knew he was here and would read this, I would not say it. Maybe 20 years ago I would have, but now I wouldn't. Because that's malicious, and while he deserved no sympathy from me, he can't change his dick size.
I suppose the 'why' is when we want to insult someone quickly and effectively, we go for the jugular. For a woman, I know if I comment on her weight, it will kill her (I was once overweight, and the comments killed me). If she's hot, and a babe and smart, and kind - well...I can't think of any insult unless she did something so egregious that just telling her alone that she did a rotten thing would be effective enough.
I don't like the idea of hurting someone. I'm older than the typical Redditor and looking back to some of my behavior in my 20s makes me cringe here and there.
But, had I confronted Limpdick in person - I think maybe I would've still ripped him to shreds in other areas that would sting (his awkwardness, lack of friends, the ghetto shit for a white guy) because those phone calls really were out of control. At times I'd end up pleading wit them, "guys, this is stupid, call someone else, how can you possibly get enjoyment out of this?"
And, until I involved the cops, I could not get it to stop. It sucked. Averaged about 2-3 calls a night.
ThanksCrystals ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:06:57 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's all essentially what I've been driving at. A man's dick is small, a woman's body is fat, a beautiful person is hard to insult... "going for the jugular" tends to entail a person's sexual value, regardless of whether or not that has any bearing on what they did to elicit being insulted, whether or not it's necessarily factual (or sincere), and served on top of (perceived as the lowest blow) whatever other insults are earned. When we seek to diminish a person, we do so by insulting their manhood/womanhood... it's simultaneously a complex psychological construct and a primitive instinct. What's really fascinating to me in this particular case is that you enjoy doing so "behind his back" so to speak, but would never do it to his face (even though you would tear him to ribbons for other things worthy of ridicule). Maybe insulting a person's sexual prowess does more for the insulter than it does the insultee. On the other hand, when directed straight at the person, it can be an easy way to press their berserk button, or simply emotionally devastate them.
Anyway, is this really so bad? This is all I was getting at, and I'm still a little dumbfounded that I got dogpiled for it. Of all my comments, I never thought something like this would be the one to piss off so many. I never would've even thought to bring it up if the other guy hadn't made his comment, either. Reddit's a funny place.
(Incidentally, I became the subject of prank calls in college, too. I just unplugged the phone for a month, which I could afford to do since I never really got any other calls on my campus line anyway. I'm not saying that's what you should've done, just sharing.)
DragonToothGarden ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:22:36 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have no idea why you got downvoted. I think people didn't even bother to read what you wrote, which was more of a curious question as to why I, and people in general, feel the sweet pull of directing an insult to whom we feel is deserving of it.
And of course once people start the downvote train, most everyone jumps on without thinking through the matter themselves.
One thing - I wouldn't tell him to his face that he had a small dick because he can't change that and he wasn't a monster (just a huge pest). And at my age, saying that would look pretty ridiculous. I could say other things that truly reflected his shitty character, but had I said those things back then, he would not have cared and probably would have felt some pride.
I suppose its just as you say - its cathartic. When we are wronged, we want some justice. He didn't even get a slap on the wrist! Never apologized to me, nothing. So my feelings towards him were not warm.
Reddit is often a strange place. We all like to think we are immune to the hive mind, but just looking at a comment that has many downvotes automatically qualifies it as a 'negative' or 'bad' comment to us before we even read it.
Given that a good chunk of the users won't even read something (myself included, but I won't downvote unless I read the entirety of a comment), its no surprise that people jump on the bandwagon.
I saw nothing wrong with your initial comment. It was more of "hey, I wonder why you wanted to say this" in a sense of why did I go in that (penis) direction?
You were not judging me or discussing some patriarchy nonsense or accusing me of lying about the whole issue. Instead, you showed an uncommon interest in a crass comment I made, which also ended up piquing my interest on the matter.
ThanksCrystals ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:40:28 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nothing wrong with that! There's a lot of everyday behavior that we all do without really thinking about why. It's interesting to pause and examine these things now and again, that's all. If only we had the ability to figure out what the hell drove those boys of yours...
DragonToothGarden ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:42:23 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Simple boredom, I think.
ThanksCrystals ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:54:06 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably, but as you said, they seemed unusually dedicated and fixated on you. It just goes to show you that trolls existed long before the Internet was born.
On that note, this kindasorta reminds me of a story of a woman harassed by a boy, seemingly out of boredom and free from repercussion. It provided some insight about the boy that I think we all know is true of his ilk, deep down. Given some thematic parallels, however broad, it might be worth a read (or listen; there's a podcast link at the bottom of the article), if you haven't already.
The time of night and my own liqueur are taking their effects, so I'm out... I'm glad this all turned out the way it did!
DragonToothGarden ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:56:15 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The crowd is fickle. Tomorrow I'll say the same thing but in a different crowd and get lambasted.
PhantomPhantastic ยท -41 points ยท Posted at 21:01:26 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hilariously missed the point, can't say I'm surprised - couldn't even figure out how to stop two crank callers. Re-evaluate your ability to adult.
DragonToothGarden ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 21:06:56 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Read the text properly, dipshit. In 1995 you were stuck with the line the university gave you. It was their system. You could not block or trace incoming calls even with police involvement. All private property. I realize you are trying to sound clever by being vague, but you just sound more stupid than before.
PhantomPhantastic ยท -42 points ยท Posted at 21:07:48 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
20 years and you still look back and say "nothing I could do!"; absolutely pathetic.
DragonToothGarden ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 21:15:50 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hmmm...yes...you read that I called the cops, they did what the could, caught the kids, reported to admin and they nearly got kicked out of school. Jesus, do you not have basic reading comprehension skills? Buhbye.
PhantomPhantastic ยท -35 points ยท Posted at 21:19:18 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is it upsetting for you having your lie questioned? Sorry if it's the only interesting thing you have about yourself.
jesus_sold_weed ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:40:27 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not all of us can have hilariously small dicks like you.
PhantomPhantastic ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 07:36:18 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is a rare gift, thankfully I don't have to look for self-fulfillment in the size of my dick compared to others. Sorry about your situation, bro.
DragonToothGarden ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:07:06 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do...you have a small dick? Did I hit a nerve? If I did, I am not sorry. But life will go on, and you will recover.
chobi83 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:43:32 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like you found the bald one!
DragonToothGarden ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:19:48 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It appears so!!! The worst part was he tried wearing a baseball cap in class and one teacher (first week) had a rule of no caps. In front of 80 students he had to stand up and remove it. And all it did was attract a whole heap of attention to it.
Nobody cared that he was suffering from premature baldness, but it was his effort to hide with with a cap (what did he think he was going to do in 3 years after he got admitted to the bar? Appear at trial with a basesball hat?)
chobi83 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:34:31 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're assuming he thought that far into the future. Considering with what he did to you, I'd be surprised if he thought past dinner time, lol
DragonToothGarden ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:44:21 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Good point.
PhantomPhantastic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:28:34 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh just the tiniest, does it make you feel better about yourself to think about how big my dick is?
DragonToothGarden ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:31:44 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, actually trying to envision you and your penis is quite revolting, thank you.
PhantomPhantastic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:58:45 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And yet you keep talking about it, how bizarre and perverted.
Khaaannnnn ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 22:57:34 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
In another recent comment you claimed to be "a person with empathy" and with this one you prove that was a lie.
Haters gonna hate.
Edit: downvoting doesn't make it less true. :p
DragonToothGarden ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:01:29 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you mildly retarded? In that other post a girl said she wanted to die and why should a stranger like me care. I explained that even if I never met her, I care and want her to live.
And you are whining that I somehow owe empathy to some guy stirring up trouble with no basis and being a little bitch about it?
Ergo, all empathetic people must be nice to everyone, even if they are assholes? Because that is your contention.
That's not what empathy means, moron. Go back under the rock from which you came, and get that absolutely meaningless Taylor Swift defensive line ("haters gonna hate!") out of your repertoire of rejoinders. It makes you sound like a 14 year old.
Khaaannnnn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:04:34 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
You should listen to yourself. While attempting to defend your first hateful remark, you've become a fountain of hate.
Proof that "haters gonna hate" isn't meaningless.
Someone obviously hurt you, and for that I sympathize, but it's not an excuse for being nasty to other people.
DragonToothGarden ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:26:18 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ok, cocksucker, let's get this straight. The 300 calls didn't "hurt" me, they drove me nuts and interfered with my life. I lost sleep while spending 20k in tuition on the very important first year of law school. I'd have to study outside my own room. Or, leave my room completely for a few weeks. The calls lasted all year long.
And, when someone does that, particularly when its illegal, I have every single right to be nasty.
Just as you being stupid also gives me the right (according to my morals) to say, "shut the fuck up, you whiny bitch, get your thumb out of your ass and go back to watching your Taylor Swift videos."
Khaaannnnn ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 06:31:14 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Let the hate flow, if you need catharsis. I can take it.
But once you calm down, consider that you aren't just insulting the people who did that to you, as you clearly know.
You're being nasty to other people who've done nothing to you except call you out for being nasty to other people.
Furah ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:12:25 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What the fuck could they do?
PhantomPhantastic ยท -24 points ยท Posted at 21:16:38 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Call tracing has actually been possible since the '60s; the dramatic moments you see in movies? Those are from when landline tracing actually took more than a few seconds. By the mid-nineties, any landline could be instantly traced - the person I'm exchanging words with is either lying, was lied to, never contacted the police, or any number of things, but the hilarious "they can't trace the call notion!" when she had 4 policemen on a sting? Ridiculous.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:28:50 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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DragonToothGarden ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:48:11 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The school wanted his money. By the time we graduated, tuition was at 22k a year. First year on-campus housing was also fortune.
I could have pressed charges and pushed it further, but I really did not want to ruin his future all over stupid behavior. They stopped calling, I let it go and who knows if they grew up.
PhantomPhantastic ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 21:31:55 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Almost as if the story was made up.
But who would lie on the internet?
Flash604 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:30:43 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow... aren't you a big asshole.
But since you're harassing the lady now, I guess you saw nothing wrong with what they did back then.
I realize you're probably 12 and don't know that the world and technology changes a lot. I was an adult during that time period, and she is right, it would not be something simple to stop.
Grow up. Unless you are 12, in which case shut up until you grow up.
PhantomPhantastic ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 07:34:26 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Huge asshole, but I'm not harassing this lady at all: we are engaged in an exchange of words, mature or not. Were she to stop engaging me and I to continue (or vice versa) that would be harassment. Look at me, only 12 years old and clearly smarter than you.
Flash604 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:38:40 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Justify it all you want, you are harassing. Oh, and you're also very wrong.
And an asshole, but you knew that already.
Done with you, can't be bothered with idiots.
PhantomPhantastic ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:44:55 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That wasn't a justification, it was a definition of harassment. Wow, getting schooled by a little kid, this is embarrassing for you.
Blue_24 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:24:02 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
you're right. it's wrong to mock someone's genitals, and it's sexually discriminating. OP is also right, those two boys were harassing her and are basically human garbage.
The basis of the insult is that his penis is small, somehow making him less of a man. Every time a small dick joke happens we're reinforcing the idea that men have to always want straight sex with their huge cock or they aren't masculine enough. So some men who don't always want sex or have smaller penises (or just THINK they do) feel shitty about themselves. Similarly, it creates a perception that women all want men with big dicks, which is not true. Women as a group have many different desires and opinions on penile size.
Lots of men have erectile dysfunction and depression linked to their perception that women will mock their penises. I've dated a few, and it's totally fucked up. It's pretty emotionally wrenching to have to stop in the middle of sex to comfort a man over his size-perception related ED.
Ladies, it's just crass and cruel to mock men based on their penises. It's the equivalent of telling a girl her vagina isn't tight enough, which hopefully you can empathise with. I'm sure you can find personality traits, blunders, and other things to mock without insulting someone's sexual identity in the process. "You're an asshole" is a standard insult that works with pretty much everyone, for example.
I am a trans man and I have passed as both a woman and a man in many different scenarios, including dating. From my perspective, sexism has two sides to every issue. Women historically have been forced to cut out autonomy (voting, jobs, abortion, etc) while men are forced stifle their emotions through hyper masculinizing themselves resulting in dysfunctional relationships.
Lastly, note to people reading this: I don't think what those boys did was right. I think was unconscionable. This post is unrelated to the actions of those boys.
Penthesilean ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:24:22 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's inverting the asshole's mentality and turning it back against them. A dirty gesture in a foreign culture means nothing to me, but I'd use it against someone with whom it had meaning, if they were being a fuck wit.
Are you just ignorant in understanding this, or are you making an attempt to start an argument?
PhantomPhantastic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:32:51 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was an observation on initiating behavior: if your great ire was that someone was harassing you, would you do something to encourage further harassment? See, that's a sincere question, not an option between two extremely defined situations designed to make you feel superior from the offset.
So on the topic of ignorance, this must be pretty embarrassing for you - not having been able to pick up on the obvious intent of my comment.
Reddits_Peen ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 02:52:27 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. Cool. /r/thatHappened
PseudoEngel ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:38:23 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I called her on the phone and she touched herself.
SexLiesAndExercise ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:21:42 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's some sexy harassment.
KurtCoBANE ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:32:11 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
http://youtu.be/a6h8IvTzuaw
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:43:40 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Faryshta ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:24:56 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
its adele, what do you think?
GOU_NoMoreMrNiceGuy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:21:46 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
if it involves a woman in anyway, it's sexual harassment.
same thing with assault. battery. hit and run. running a red light.
aedansblade36 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:15:47 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've had to call my mom a thousand times before she answers, and without a doubt I can say for a fact it is
notsexual harassment.ButtsexEurope ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:40:38 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. This group posting these are retarded. It's stalking, not sexual harassment. They need to get their sex crimes right.
micro102 ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 19:21:40 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because the person who made the poster needs to feel like they are being sexually harassed for their worldview to work.
wikibebiased ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:00:32 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't and it isn't intended to. It is intended to be an insidious form of conditioning done to facilitate a world view.
Europe_is_full_GTFO ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:36:16 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Anything that happens to a feminist is sexual assault.
shelcod ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:40:11 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because the person on the other end is a woman.
hadapurpura ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:23:23 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's an Adele song. The person on the other end is a man.
justduck01 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:40:42 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Facts do not matter in the modern American university. Only feels.
shelcod ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:29:04 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably not in the context of this poster.
uglydavie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:22:42 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because in the song it's clear they're former intimate partners?
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 19:38:24 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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uglydavie ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:11:26 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So A. Calling someone nonstop someone because you used to fuck and you'd like to pick that back up counts.
And B. The psych comeback? Seriously? How's 8th grade treating you?
longbr83 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:36:52 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you understand the sexual part in sexual harassment? If not, there's a dictionary and 50 states with laws on the books that can help you define the sexual part of harassment.
uglydavie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:52:06 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh for fuck's sake are you really so dense as to not realize that sexual harrassment doesn't have to be you poking someone with your dick?
Unwanted sexual advances are part of the fucking definition. If you're trying to get with someone and time 999 doesn't work. Going for number 1000 over qualifies as an unwanted advance.
camelCaseCoding ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:14:14 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Phone calls aren't unwanted sexual advances. You don't know what someone is calling about until you pick up.
If they called you once about sex however, and you ignore the next 999 calls then yeah, i could see that being sexual harrassment, but phone calls alone aren't.
longbr83 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:16:22 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
unwanted SEXUAL advances.. you said it yourself. Calling an ex over and over would qualify as harassment. It would NOT qualify as sexual harassment UNLESS the conversations are sexual in nature. Jesus I'd love to hear you argue this point in a courtroom.
uglydavie ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:25:31 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Okay. Let me try one last time before I peace out.
You said it yourself that itd qualify if the phone call is sexual in nature.
So, for a phone conversation to qualify as sexual: does it need to be "hey baby let's fuck?" On repeat?
Or, Could it just be an attempt to reestablish a sexual relationship?(which was the example I used?)
Because I hate to break it to you but if you ask someone out at your job and they ignore/reject you, and then you ask then out 999 more times you're going to get fired for sexual harrassment.
longbr83 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:34:13 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, at your job because that is a professional setting and they have specific rules outlined for those issues. You'd get fired, not charged. Again, it would depend on the nature of the phone calls. I can agree that an ex calling over and over is likely to cross that line of sexual harassment if you're willing to acknowledge just phone calls over and over in the context of the quote is NOT sexual. The lyrics are literally "I must have called a thousand times to tell you I'm sorry for everything I've done."
uglydavie ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 00:21:43 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So....are you arguing that it's sexual harrassment in a work setting, but not in the real world? Because it would definitely be grounds for a protection order too.
And for the song quote:
"Hello, can you hear me I'm in California dreaming about who we used to be"
Is specifically what comes to my mind.
Call up an ex and say: "hey babe, just had a dream about us." x1000
Let me know how the police take it.
longbr83 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:27:00 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, idiot, I'm arguing that you're talking about two different things. In the context of the sign, it would be a conversation about sexual harassment outside of a work place. Secondly, if that is the line of the song that you feel randomly justifies calling out some song lyric as "normalizing sexual harassment" then maybe that's the lyric that they should have posted. Even still, you don't seem to understand that just because you want something to be sexual in nature because you feeeeel like it is, doesn't mean it now fits the legal definition. I swear if you actually just learned what defines a legitimate charge of sexual harassment, you'd quit replying on here like a fool.
uglydavie ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:44:03 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You sure do seem to be getting riled up / taking this to a weird and personal place. Do you need a hug?
TotalFreedom420 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:27:13 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He stuck his dick through the phone
Ioangogo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:49:06 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That part if the song is flawed, at the beginning she says she's in California, now, the fact the was born in England makes me think she's calling a Brit.
Of course he won't pick up, he's asleep
Northumberlo ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 19:39:41 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Unwanted sexual/emotion attention.
Imagine breaking up with someone who hurt you, and then have her call you a thousand times. Your phone constantly ringing and you start avoiding and ignoring your phone, but your ex keeps calling and it keeps ringing.
How long before you call the police and get a restraining order.
LtLabcoat ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:48:46 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But what's sexual about that?
Northumberlo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:06:24 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What's sexual about stalking an ex lover? It doesn't need to be physical to be sexual harresment.
LtLabcoat ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:07:50 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This only raises further questions!
Northumberlo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:11:17 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://sapac.umich.edu/article/65
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cp-pc/crimhar-eng.htm
https://www.mun.ca/sexualharassment/brochures/2014_SHO_Stalking.pdf
letmeusespaces ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:48:00 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why aren't you answering the question?
Northumberlo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:19:31 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I provided links which classify this kind of behaviour as stalking, and stalking as sexual harassment.
longbr83 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:35:18 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
but it DOES have to be sexual in nature, seeing as that's the first word of the type of harassment.
ResilientBiscuit ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:35:47 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is your ex. They probably want to have sex again. That are harassing you on to phone to get you to have sex with them.
It is harassment, to get sex.
It seems fairly reasonable to call that sexual harassment.
longbr83 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:15:12 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You have no idea what the intention is. I hear some relationships are based on more that just sex. While it is part of a relationship, I doubt many broken up couples have conversations about just sex.
ResilientBiscuit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:31:40 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There are normal broken up couples who don't. I totally agree.
Then there are broken up couples where one person calls the other person 100's of times a week.
And you are right, some times they may be calling 100's of times a week because they want to play cards or watch TV. But lets be real here. A large number of times a person who is obsessively calling an ex that much is looking for more than just a friend.
And again I said
Not always. But I don't think you can say it is NOT sexual harassment. You can say there is a chance it isn't. But if I were able to place a bet at even odds, and the only information I had available was that they were ex lovers and one of them is calling the other 100's of times and I could bet on if that person was trying to have sex again with said former lover... I would bet they were. Every single time I would take that bet.
longbr83 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:37:30 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is a fair reply. My entire point was to distinguish between harassment and sexual harassment. Many of the responses are trying to head-cannon the intention of these calls in and call it what they want.
ameoba ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:47:11 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sexual harassment isn't just some dude at work saying "ay babe u want sum fuk?". Constantly hounding somebody who has repeatedly rejected you to go out on date is widely considered sexual harassment as well.
An ex-lover "calling a thousand times" to get you to come back to them fits in the same category. They're not exactly trying to sell you life insurance...
Michalusmichalus ยท 478 points ยท Posted at 14:23:13 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you're going to point something out about that phrase, why wouldn't you point out harassment period? Serious stalker status could be just a few more lyrics later.
tgm4883 ยท 227 points ยท Posted at 17:38:44 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just toured a bunch of college campuses with my brother in law and there seems to be a big push on awareness for sexual harassment/assault. We saw these types of posters at almost every college.
BullMoooose ยท 82 points ยท Posted at 17:41:18 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yup there's been a huge push for awareness.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:48:36 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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almightySapling ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:32:32 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just had that!
Things I learned:
-Absolutely nothing I didn't already know
Basically it's an "interactive" lesson, you just have to make sure to "read" (that is, click on) all the boxes, takes about 30 minutes.
Team_Braniel ยท 188 points ยท Posted at 17:55:11 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just make sure you get your Consent Forms notarized.
SirFappleton ยท 207 points ยท Posted at 18:30:58 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My college said even signed consent forms before and after sex wouldn't hold in a student judicial case, as they could make the argument that they were "coerced" into signing it. If one gets accused of rape, one is basically fucked to hell in most colleges.
[deleted] ยท 251 points ยท Posted at 19:03:12 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My college is just a college. People go there for learning so they can get their degree.
People go to the police to report anything serious like assault.
[deleted] ยท 185 points ยท Posted at 19:24:31 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
honestly. I'm a huge supporter of sexual assault victims, but there's no fucking way I would trust a university to handle a sexual assault charge. It's not right; they are not the police.
*edit: I'm a huge supporter of sexual assault victims being treated respectfully and getting justice. In case that was not clear.
SpeedGeek ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 20:06:47 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
While there may be sworn law enforcement at the school (for instance our university police are state constables, with more jurisdiction than the local police), I agree that the school should not be involved. There is too much of a chance of bias in either direction and the students involved do not have the protections they would in a criminal justice setting. We had two student workers in such a dispute, and we made sure they were not scheduled at the same time while the investigation went on. No charges were filed, and both requested to continue to not be scheduled with the other, which we honored.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:09:05 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's probably a better way of putting it/better understanding than what I said.
MemoryLapse ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:59:02 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The school should not be involved in anything except educating their students. I dunno when our education system got so political. Let the school and the student body be separate entities.
Lilliu ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:31:05 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone is, no one deserves that. But certain people are trying to act like no one cares.
InaudiableHorse ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:08:08 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I also am a huge supporter of sexual assault.
Justice_is_Key ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:44:40 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Schools don't prevent the student from filing a police report. They just give the student another option in case they don't want to go to the Police. This is in the US under Title IX, not sure about other countries.
carbonnanotube ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 21:07:52 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The problem is that US school's title 9 "courts" can screw over guys who have done nothing wrong. Recently there was a man acquitted of sexual assault by the judicial system who was still expelled and banned by a title 9 court.
Justice_is_Key ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:22:28 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not familiar with the case, but I wonder if he was expelled because he broke a campus rule that was more restrictive? Sadly, as with any system its not perfect. I feel for that guy, it must be extremely frustrating.
carbonnanotube ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:31:01 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I kind of mixed up two storied in my head. Here are what I was referring to:
http://reason.com/blog/2015/06/11/amherst-student-was-expelled-for-rape-bu
http://www.cotwa.info/2016/01/the-hateful-roanoke-college-students.html
Justice_is_Key ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:43:54 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If i read those and i was still in school, I'd be paranoid to even be left alone in a room with a girl. That first article makes it look like that Amherst student has a good case on his hands. It truly is terrifying.
smookykins ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:19:34 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is what Feminism has been fighting for for decades. All men are guilty at birth. Having a penis is the original sin.
[deleted] ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 22:07:15 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's not necessarily wrong.
carbonnanotube ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:14:48 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is when you consider that those courts require only a "Preponderance of evidence" to convict, the defendants are typically not allowed counsel and cannot submit evidence, they cannot cross-examine, and you have students and faculty running these courts in their spare time rather than trained professionals.
Getting banned from post secondary education has serious effects on lifelong earnings and career prospects.
wickedzeus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:59:00 on February 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We use the preponderance standard for everything - if someone sues you for damages, that is the standard being used. While I think you have a stronger point regarding untrained professionals handling these, the students/faculty are there as representatives of the university community and they get to decide whether you've broken a university rule and whether you should remain a part of that community.
I think some perspective is important here. While Title IX requires that schools investigate sexual harassment cases, typically these student/faculty bodies deal mostly with non-sexual conduct violations - drug dealing, fights, stalking, cheating etc. Expulsion is the harshest penalty they can hand out and is only used for the most heinous cases.
Most of the time they dole out community service, they make you take some classes or ask that you get treatment. Sometimes they will give a semester long suspension with the opportunity for you to be readmitted should you fulfill their requirements and show some remorse. I've even seen situations where conditions are placed so that if you do everything right and don't run into any more issues you can ask to have the disciplinary flag removed from your file.
carbonnanotube ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:02:59 on February 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sexual assault is a criminal charge not a civil one, hence the higher standard is needed.
Look at recent cases and proposed changes at many schools.
Which is crazy because so many men have done nothing and have been railroaded into admitting to doing something they have not done in order to finish school.
wickedzeus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:10:04 on February 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think you're mixing things a bit. Sexual assault is indeed a crime, and that crime is handled by the state and in a court of law. What these schools are addressing are violations of the rules of conduct at that school which also prohibit sexual assault.
Could you provide some examples? I don't know what else they could possibly do other than kick you out.
carbonnanotube ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:28:19 on February 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
That is the problem, school courts are being used to deal with rape instead of the police.
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/377878/overreaching-campus-rape-caroline-kitchens
http://www.heritage.org/research/commentary/2015/8/why-any-male-studen-should-think-twice-before-applying-to-washington-and-lee-university
http://news.nationalpost.com/news/the-university-sexual-assault-overcorrection-how-efforts-to-protect-women-have-infringed-on-mens-civil-rights
http://reason.com/blog/2016/01/14/law-professors-against-title-ix-faculty
http://www.npr.org/2015/10/15/446083439/for-students-accused-of-campus-rape-legal-victories-win-back-rights
http://www.gazettenet.com/home/17106057-95/expelled-student-sues-amherst-college-faulting-investigation-into-2012-rape-case
Here is a database of current lawsuits relating to this:
http://boysmeneducation.com/lawsuits-database/
The schools are screwing over men to keep their federal funding, and that is profoundly wrong.
grosslittlestage ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:05:17 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The schools do it cover things up. This system of university admins playing detective is bad for everyone and should be abolished.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:52:13 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I realize that...
Justice_is_Key ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:58:04 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm glad...
smookykins ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:18:34 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And that other option is "lie about a guy and we'll send him away to appease the masses of screeching harpies who hate men".
Targetshopper4000 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:38:34 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How is that not immediately a defamation suit against the College and accuser?
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 19:51:38 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
wat
newsboywhotookmyign ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:01:43 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait what
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:02:37 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Think about it and come back when you figure it out.
newsboywhotookmyign ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:04:01 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was really curious if it was a language barrier or if you just said something weird, I guess it was the former !
Andrex316 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:09:57 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
DecendingUpwards ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 19:51:50 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Um, as a matter of fact, Campus officers are actually usually sworn in officers and take the same police training alongside state police. The security officers are usually the lower-tier not sworn officers, but still in training. It's just a different jurisdiction that they are in charge of.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:55:07 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for the condescending little ummm.
I don't honestly care what their training is. They are not police. They are not part of the justice system. I would not and will not trust them with personal information. Assault charges, sexual and other, belong with the police.
aidsfish ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:56:48 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
On most campuses they have a few real police officers and the rest security guards, really depends where you go. Not really important either way
DecendingUpwards ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:02:45 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No problem! But the point still stands that in the majority of State and private institutions around America, they are actual Officers of law. Many are actually state officers assigned to the college if its a state run institution. This is why they can arrest you, they can ask for your id, and why they are often called to assist other local police. I am not saying you have to trust them, trust the job they do, or even like them. But you do have to acknowledge the fact that if your campus police have any regular titles assigned to them, they are actually that rank in our judicial system.
AndyWinds ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 19:25:35 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As it should be.
malvoliosf ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:53:44 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you are raped, yes, report it to the police.
If you just want to fuck over your ex, report it to the campus "sexual assault" office.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:44:29 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would never go to the school for something like that because the school is in an extremely bad place ethically speaking to be making those decisions.
If it's not zero tolerance you effectively are saying to prospective students and parents that there is a chance, however small, that if they or their child is raped and unable to prove it the rapist has a chance to walk free.
I hate to say it boils down to PR but when the choice is fuck one person over royally or get ensnared in a lawsuit/media fiasco that could destroy a college 100+ years old that's a huge amount of pressure in favor of irrational and sometimes unjust actions.
They're a school, not an arm of the justice system. They really are not equipped or positioned to make the decisions here.
carbonnanotube ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:09:45 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have a feeling that PR nightmare is going to flip if it hasn't already. There have been too many high profile cases of guys getting railroaded in addition to a bunch of smaller lawsuits.
Relevant_Monstrosity ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:10:07 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just as it is not just for rapists to be exonerated, it is not just for innocents to be punished. There are thousands of years of precedent behind the presumption of innocence even in heinous cases, and we should not throw out justice because of a few misguided SJWs.
carbonnanotube ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:11:49 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely, I couldn't say it better myself.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:25:18 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My hope is the situation finds a middle ground that protects the innocent and punishes the guilty. Right now as it's coming to mainstream attention I don't think any school is really prepared to deal with the issue.
mackay92 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 21:34:52 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yea, that whole "innocent until proven guilty" thing is a real bitch, isnt it?
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:28:11 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't matter from a perception perspective. Their interests are maintaining enrollment and funding which is why I don't think the school should have anything to do with it.
grosslittlestage ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:06:33 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is a cornerstone of the American justice system and an almost universally supported moral and legal principle: "better the guilty go free than even one innocent be punished."
Schools like zero tolerance policies because it means they don't have to actually think about cases or take on any responsibility.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:35:01 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That sounds really good doesn't it? It sure sounds good to me and it's a nice tidy way to stop thinking about the issue since I found a conclusion that suits my sensibilities. Reality be damned.
Any time a reason for something 100% validates your viewpoint and leaves you with a justice boner and warm feelings inside over how right you get to be you've got to at least pause and wonder if that's the whole story. Issues like this aren't that simple.
Real adults who spend decades administering large and complex organizations have to take into consideration the impact their decisions make on enrollment, funding, public perception and the future of multi million dollar institutes.
They can be doing all of that with the complete best of intentions and the result can still be catastrophic for the individual who is unfortunate enough to be caught in the situation.
The wrong thing can be done for what are otherwise good intentions which is why the schools should have a limited hand in what is undoubtedly a criminal investigation.
jughead0 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:37:59 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sure you don't study in the US.
BitGladius ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:28:50 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mine (the one with the signs and that one frat) has taken alcohol and sex law into their own hands.
CrystalElyse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:52:52 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is one of those things that I thought was weird. The college should have no ability to interfere in a police investigation. At the most, I can understand expelling a convicted felon, but there's really no legal standing that they have in instances like these.
Team_Braniel ยท 78 points ยท Posted at 18:33:14 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Someone should start a campaign that basically amounts to "never fuck a college chick".
Targetshopper4000 ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 19:41:41 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or conversely, if you aren't a student, it's open season on college chicks.
I graduated five years ago, what's the Admin going to do?
this is a joke
LegendaryPrimate ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:08:14 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know you were joking, but universities can rescind their confirmation of degree. So if you graduated, and then a current student accused you of sexual assault, the university could unilaterally revoke your degree without even so much as a hearing.
CraftyFellow_ ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:43:26 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And there goes the credibility of your institution's degrees.
poohoohoo ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 19:19:22 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's a well-established and venerable campaign for "Don't stick your dick in crazy."
dreadspartan ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:25:34 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If only they wore signs...
Couchtiger23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:48:03 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They actually do.
dreadspartan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:01:17 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah..
I'll take "what most victims of false accusations believe" for $500 Alex
Hip_Hop_Orangutan ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 18:44:34 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bring a friend with a camera as a witness. Duh
abolish_karma ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 18:49:04 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And pay her. Case closed. It was an audition.
Oni-Warlord ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:26:30 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I belive both participants have to get paid for it to be porn.
Rylth ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:41:57 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're self-employed obviously.
jonosvision ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:16:57 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget your receipt!
carbonnanotube ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:10:37 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Someone suggested that at one school, you would still get kicked out because if she claims to be too drunk to consent to sex she is also too drunk to consent to being filmed or watched.
Trezzie ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:05:56 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was too drunk too. Therefore she raped me as well.
carbonnanotube ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:36:49 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nope, you are a man so therefore you are responsible for your actions. (according to them)
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 19:20:14 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
None of you are going to have to worry about that anyway.
Team_Braniel ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:22:11 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Considering I've been married for 12 years. Thank God.
Europe_is_full_GTFO ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:29:04 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ah yes. Women are a prize to be won. Losers don't have access to pussy. A classic feminist trope.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:46:00 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Calling Redditors unattractive losers does not imply women are a prize to be won.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:08:10 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kinda stretching that.
Jack-Browser ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:22:36 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't fuck with/in college. Should be easy, right? /s
mnky9800n ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:19:30 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fight to repeal/reform Title IX. It forces colleges to have tehse kangaroo courts to begin with.
grosslittlestage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:08:58 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It also ruins athletics departments economically by forcing them to give money to girls' sports that nobody gives a fuck about. You can have a star football or basketball team and barely break even because the girls waste so much money.
mnky9800n ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:09:07 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've never understood why sports needed to break even. I feel like universities should not be held to a money making standard. You put money in and you get research and better trained and experience out. That's the return. Not money.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:37:11 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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grosslittlestage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:39:14 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't care about any sports. The point is that Title IX makes athletics departments unprofitable when they could be multimillion dollar businesses that contribute profits to the school. Instead, they lose money.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:20:32 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I don't know that they lose money as much as the girls get to play to. They also get scholarships as well. So while they may not generate a ton of money for the school, the girl on the soccer field could be getting the education she needs to be a great doctor or whatever field she's studying. So Title IX isn't completely terrible...
discoafroman ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:31:11 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry but it's true. If you're a MAN accused of rape, you're fucked.
CrystalElyse ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:05:24 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not really. There does need to be actual evidence to cause a conviction, not just "he said she said." Guilt needs to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law. This includes things like physical evidence from a rape kit, surveillance video, and texts/messages. If there is no evidence, it can't be proved beyond a reasonable doubt.
It's actually very hard to be convicted of rape.
I mean, that won't stop your campus from kicking you out or your boss from firing you, but you probably won't go to jail.
AND that's with everything going right. That's assume the victim went to the hospital, got a rape kit done within the proper window, went to the police, the rape kit got processed (some places have a backlog of up to 15 years), the police allow the testimony and don't force the victim to recant, etc. Not to mention that trauma can cause inconsistencies in reports, which often lead to the police discounting testimony.
Only 3-7% of rape reports result in conviction. That means 93-97% of accused rapists are not convicted, almost always due to lack of evidence.
Sources: 1 Simplified 2 Detailing their sources 3 US DOJ report 4 Dispelling a random infographic, but has some good numbers
Runningflame570 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:55:07 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
While your comment is well-written and well-sourced you utterly miss the point: being thrown out of college and losing future employment prospects IS getting fucked whether or not jail time is involved.
And we've seen several examples over the last number of years about people in jail for rape being acquitted when their accuser admitted they lied. It's rare, but it happens.
RagingPigeon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:19:41 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Explain to everyone here how being kicked out of college (and likely not being able to go back), losing your job, and likely many friends and colleagues, isn't being fucked. Please.
SoSeriousAndDeep ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:42:25 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We don't want any of your facts at this MRA pity party.
liquidxlax ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:29:33 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
better for guys just to fuck guys on campus and women who don't go to school by the sounds of it
moeburn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:49:46 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
the fuck?
Snokus ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 18:40:40 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's the case about all contracts so I fail to see your point.
You're saying they pointed out that a sexual contracts would be treated like every other form of contract? The horror
Paranoidexboyfriend ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:55:53 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
you don't go to jail if the vast majority of any other type of contract is deemed to be invalid.
Snokus ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 19:01:34 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You absolutely can. What the hell are you on about.
If I sign a contract that you can take my car and then it surfaces that you coerced me to sign it then that's theft.
This is not something that's exclusive to sex.
Either way the coercin have to be proved, just as the rape accusation, for anyone to go to jail.
But I still ber that you won't listen to me and go on in life believing that coerced agreements being invalid is some form of SJW conspiracy.
For fuck sake atleast read the law before raging over colleges application of the law.
Paranoidexboyfriend ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:21:19 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
no, usually that would just require return of the car. contract disputes are generally civil in nature. no jail. but wtf would I know, I'm just a criminal defense attorney.
itsbarron ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:26:13 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So, wait, if someone forced me into giving them my car then it's only a civil issue?
Paranoidexboyfriend ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:30:37 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
its not that simple and it depends what level of coercion we're talking about. I'm just saying the majority of contract disputes involving duress are civil, not criminal issues.
Obviously if i put a gun to someones head and say "sign the contract to give me your car" it would be a criminal offense. that also never happens, since carjackers tend to skip the whole contract phase. So, are there potential scenarios where contracts invalidated on the basis of duress and coercion end up in criminal charges? Yes. Are they common to contract disputes. No, not at all.
itsbarron ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:40:28 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I'd imagine the vast majority of the time someone trying to rob you wouldn't want documentation of the crime, so most contract disputes would just be civil, but if you are doing something illegal (rape, carjacking, etc.) and you coerce your victim into signing a contract in an effort to vindicate yourself, that probably wouldn't work, and you'd still face criminal charges (though, idk if the contract would make things worse). correct?
Paranoidexboyfriend ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:45:47 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure where you're going with this argument.
itsbarron ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:52:42 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not an argument. it's a question. Let me rephrase
If you do something illegal and try to hide behind a contract that you coerced the other party into signing, would you or would you not still go to jail for that crime?
Paranoidexboyfriend ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:59:39 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, if you do something illegal and are caught, you will most likely face the possibility of jail, the form of your question assumes the answer.I dont like answering those types of questions because they are usually used to shoehorn some obtuse imperfect metaphor.
In reality what is happening is colleges really don't want to incorporate any due process in their rape allegations, because its such a messy situation and they'd rather just get rid of the man, guilty or not, so they don't have to deal with the whole hassle. Men are getting railroaded in college campus sex cases. It is definitely happening, and the university's approach to handling them is terrible. Colleges want the option of just dumping poor young men accused of sexual assault regardless of the veracity of any of the claimaints claims, and its wrong.
itsbarron ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:03:00 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
My bad, just trying to understand what makes rape a different standard when it comes to contracts (probably because consent is tied to the crime), but i guess I'm confused. I thought we were talking about criminal cases, not college cases. I think we can agree the college judicial standard is garbage
Snokus ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:46:09 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That isn't true and could be said about rape aswell.
If the contract is found invalid you still have to prove the criminal act in a due process. A "sex contract" is just a proactive action, of its found invalid it carries exactly no weight in a criminal process.
Bhruic ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:27:00 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What you are saying makes sense, but it's completely missing the original point. The burden of proof has shifted dramatically, requiring individuals to have somewhat excessive levels of documentation to demonstrate that sex was consensual. If the administration is then going to turn around and say that the documentation might not be accepted because they could claim coercion, what's the point of getting the documentation in the first place? And what sort of proof is actually going to be reliably accepted?
The knee-jerk overreaction is the same sort of thing that caused "zero tolerance" policies in earlier schooling, and we've seen how wonderfully that turned out. It'd be nice if college administration wouldn't do the same here and create systems that are so easily abusable by those looking to do so - because there will always be people who will take advantage.
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 19:15:48 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:25:36 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did she go to administration and police?
[deleted] ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 19:20:00 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, they're not. If you're accused of rape, more than likely absolutely nothing is going to happen, even if you're guilty.
MiroRibeira ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:12:03 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You've got to be kidding me, right? You're already worse than a murderer in the court of public opinion and if the accusation gets somewhere employers can find it you're pretty much done working. Not to mention the fact that expulsion means you just paid tens of thousands of dollars for nothing, in addition to bring unemployable.
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 20:28:34 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Uh huh. Which rarely happens, even in cases where someone is guilty.
mackay92 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:38:01 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A cop literally just got over 200 years in jail for rape. Your argument is invalid.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:50:09 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My argument is invalid because 1 cop got 200 years in jail for rape?
mackay92 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:43:11 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I literally googled "sentenced for rape" and over 29 million results came up. That doesnt even include people who were fired or released from their jobs merely from accusations.
You may want to present your argument a little better if you want to sit at the adults table.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:41:37 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Uh huh. Did one of those results happen tell you the frequency at which rapists are convicted? Did any of them tell you how often false reports result in punishment?
Perhaps this would be a better metric than the quantity of hits on google?
Or when I said rarely, did you think I meant it was like 4?
that__one__guy ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:19:26 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't rape people then.
rwzephyr ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:24:07 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I perfer the Love Contract.
wikibebiased ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:57:04 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Conflating any harassment with sexual harassment demonstrates unequivocally it has absolutely nothing to do with awareness or the safety of students and everything to do with an insidious form of conditioning done to facilitate a world view.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:01:51 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
they are called social justice warriors, or sjws for short.
BullMoooose ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:35:54 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know what SJWs are, and every person advocating for rape awareness isn't an SJW. Saying "if she's super drunk she can't consent" that's reasonable. Saying "if she doesn't explicitly turn in a notarized consent form for every thrust" that's the SJW bullshit (and I know that was hyperbole but I'm making a point.)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:23:44 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The recent big push is from the SJWs, most of the time. Like these posters.
carbonnanotube ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 18:03:53 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is insane given that people on university campuses are safer than those in that same age group who are not at school.
Add that to the Kangaroo courts for men accused of misconduct and you have a pretty hostile environment.
[deleted] ยท -23 points ยท Posted at 18:10:57 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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carbonnanotube ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 18:56:52 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Prove it.
If you look at crime stats that statement doesn't hold up.
CitizenKing ยท 59 points ยท Posted at 18:25:14 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair the stats people quote for said harassment are from a really shoddy study that only checked out two college campuses and counted things like consensual drunk sex as sexual harassment/rape.
metaphlex ยท 55 points ยท Posted at 18:44:38 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Plus, affirmative answers to questions like, "did you regret having sex after the fact" counted as sexual harassment in at least one of the studies that is often used.
jonosvision ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:18:11 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Really? Do you have where it says that? I'd be interested in reading it. That's fucked up.
metaphlex ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 19:45:13 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can't find the study I was referencing, but here's an article on the most popular study that is cited for the "1 in 4 college females will be raped" statistic.
NebulousZero ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 19:39:55 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/09/21/how-misleading-is-the-new-one-in-four-campus-rape-statistic.html there is better proof somewhere else but im just going to rely on metaphlex delivering it
metaphlex ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:03:22 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Here's another article that I found which directly mentions that, "the survey's wording invites the label of rape victim to be applied to anyone who has ever drank too much, had a sexual encounter, and then regretted it later."
Vandechoz ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 19:25:49 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget "attempted forced kissing".
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:03:15 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not according to any serious studies or surveys there isn't.
Europe_is_full_GTFO ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 19:32:20 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lower than genpop.
Up-The-Butt_Jesus ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:11:06 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
uh
carbonnanotube ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:14:26 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We should be nice to the guy, there is a serious amount of propaganda pushing a "college rape epidemic".
I believe your president used those words actually.
volga-river-culture ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:38:49 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
what do we need to raise awareness about? It's not like people don't know it happens. More often than not its annoying as fuck and drives people away from your support base.
carbonnanotube ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:48:04 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is amazing really, the only thing I could see as being effective in further lowering the already low risk would be teaching safety courses which cover things like drinking responsibly, self-defence, and how to make yourself less of a target for criminals. This would be to both genders.
Of course when that topic has come up in the past, the regressive left has shut is down citing "victim blaming" because apparently the only way to prevent assault is through "reeducation and fixing toxic masculinity" whatever that means. I assume it is entirely Orwellian.
volga-river-culture ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:01:23 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
as a male entering uni in the us, i have had to do
alcohol and drug safety (physical and online class)
rape/social safety (physical and online class)
i've also had to attend multiple lectures about how to act and what to do if i see someone being taken advantage of. every male is required to do this.
GOD FORBID the other sex has to do this
carbonnanotube ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:09:12 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Let me guess, those courses paint men as wild animals who need to be taught how to act in a civilized manner?
volga-river-culture ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:41:35 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ding ding ding we have a winner.
tgm4883 ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 18:10:14 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
One could argue that university campuses are safer because of these types of initiatives.
:edit:
Awsome with all the downvotes. I was merely speculating that colleges tend to have all sorts of initiatives to try and keep their population safer (sure they do this with their own interests in mind but they still do it). And I'm not talking about just this initiative, but all of the colleges we toured would send officers to walk/drive you home if you felt unsafe, had emergency phones/buttons everywhere, etc.
carbonnanotube ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:59:17 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is easy to check, go back 10 years and see if there is a drop compared to the rate of the surrounding area.
I am on my phone so I can't easily link you, but the trend clearly doesn't show much effect.
ResilientBiscuit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:38:46 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is that normalized with population density? The number of students on college campuses has gone up tremendously over the past 10 years. Holding sexual assault and harassment rates steady while increasing population density might be progress if the surrounding area experienced a smaller increase in density.
carbonnanotube ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:58:37 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That would be an interesting area to look into.
I would suspect that the density of a university campus roughly reflects that of the surrounding community, but if institutions are throwing more students into cramped buildings there could definitely be "hidden" improvements in the rate.
ResilientBiscuit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:05:52 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Between when I started and when I finished my 4 year program in the mid 2000's they had completely gotten rid of "double singles" where you could pay extra to have a double dorm room alone. And the big rooms went from 3 to 4 students to 4 to 5. (They had a main room and a sleeping room)
So I know that they were cramming more people into the dorms.
Not living in the surrounding suburbs I don't know what was going on there.
carbonnanotube ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:42:21 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is one school though.
At my school they have been building more suite style dorms so that everyone has their own room, and 3-4 people share a kitchen.
I don't know much about how American schools do things with regards to accommodation so maybe you are correct.
Related, I hear for US schools students typically live on campus all 4 years, that seems strange to me. We spend 1 year on campus and get our own houses for the rest of our time at school.
ResilientBiscuit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:16:37 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of schools are building more dorms, but they tend to be building them on former rugby fields or something. They are not buying more campus property.
So they are still shoving more people in the same overall campus area.
oistleftovers ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 20:14:44 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What do you mean? Sexual assault on campuses happens more often there than off campus doesn't it?
carbonnanotube ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:01:35 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Here is one (very good) source.
I always take "non-reported" numbers with a grain of salt, so it is possible the disparity is much larger.
http://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=5176
StandAloneBluBerry ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:57:45 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They are getting grant money for it. My college is having all club members take a sexual harassment course online to go on field trips. I made a stink about it, and it actually got the administration's attention. They told the advisors that they would only consider changing it when the grant ran out.
MemoryLapse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:02:09 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's because a lot of the liberal arts majors go on to work for the universities. Because wtf else are you supposed to do with a women's studies/history degree?
smookykins ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:17:23 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for all the "gender equality", feminism.
Say, how many false accusations of rape have been filed against females who were then expelled simply for being accused? Zero? Oh, how equal.
Trezzie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:08:02 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You have a source for that?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:39:32 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, so you must know that women in our society can never have sex when they are intoxicated, because if you are intoxicated you aren't in a state of mind that can make a decision. Intoxication can occur after just one beer. Isn't feminism great ladies? You are now being told that you can't handle beer or sex or your own decisions. Yay Women's Rights!
DelMontePython ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:33:59 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Totally read pretty much this whole paragraph in adeles voice. I thought it was part of the song.
yesnofuck ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:11:20 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's a very American reason for that.. a-and it's money. Every single case, even ones you never hear about, costs schools an exorbitant amount of money. Six figure sums are the norm.
RevenantCommunity ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:20:36 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Push for fear mongering and unnecessary safe spaces for adult sized children...
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:15:10 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
College-aged folks have had more online social interaction and less in-person social interaction. This leads to a population that isn't as proficient at knowing what is and isn't appropriate in that setting. It's not a new phenomenon by any means but likely the frequency is greater.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:04:06 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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yaix ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:13:51 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But where's the drama then?
Ganthid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:16:44 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Came here for this.
RossPerotVan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:34:19 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but she's a terrible stalker. Doesn't even know if he ever made it out of thar town where nothing ever happens
apollodynamo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:02:16 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's probably because this line doesn't look immediately like harassment, but framing it in context that it is, can get people thinking twice about seemingly non-abusive actions.
Sometimes people are too forgiving of "the crazy" than others, so they need to have it pointed out in bold typeface.
Targetshopper4000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:36:01 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Justin Beibers "Love yourself" is the man's perspective of this situation.
GreatJanitor ยท 273 points ยท Posted at 17:28:28 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yay! My student loan collectors are now, apparently, sexually harassing me. Time to lawyer up!
DRIED_COW_FETUS ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 19:04:10 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
...Hit the gym
the_ocalhoun ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 19:37:17 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Face Deletebook.
GreenDaemon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:44:07 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Using what ruleset? I don't know 5th edition yet.
๐๏ธ Trollker ยท 603 points ยท Posted at 14:53:59 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But wait, there's more http://imgur.com/rQT66hO http://imgur.com/8kbiV2U
hungry4nuns ยท 1130 points ยท Posted at 16:35:28 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Baby I'm preying on you tonight, hunt you down eat you alive"
Even great songs can normalise cannibalism of infants.
[deleted] ยท 185 points ยท Posted at 16:48:54 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The other other white meat.
adedward ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 17:26:14 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's what's for dinner.
[deleted] ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 18:09:36 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I want mah baby back, baby back, baby back rrrrrrrribs.
eagle33322 ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 18:21:56 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
CHILLIESSSSSS
bejoe905 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:00:19 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
BARBECUE SAUCE
Valcana ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:34:18 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Barbecue sauce.
Son_Of_A_Pun ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:19:39 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Whenever I hear this now I think if Michael Scott.
SirFappleton ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:22:53 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think of Fat Bastard
PixieDust- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:45:38 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
*NSYNC Chili's commercial, man. Stck in my brain for life.
DeathMonkey6969 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:12:25 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Get in my belly.
GeminiK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:15:57 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Chiles!
SirFappleton ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:26:13 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Correction: "Chileeeeeeeeeeeeeeessss baby back ribs." Source
gakule ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:55:03 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What, are brown babies not good enough to be eaten?
passwordsarehard_3 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:19:04 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone knows dark meat is bad for you, that's why it taste so good.
Sobertese ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:04:50 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You mean industrial refuse babies? You can re-brand them "chocolate" or "cognac" all you want but it's still common fodder!
eamonn33 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:16:11 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
DarkMeatMatters
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:34:14 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's my fetish.
pistcow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:37:57 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Caaaaarrrrlll.
bradferd89 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:17:10 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
animals, mals. mals.
vickysunshine ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:55:59 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Animals, moles.
pinkylemonade ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:20:52 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
animals, balls, balls
sushipusha ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:20:21 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think Calvin & Hobbes said it best when Calvin asked if kids would be veal.
Ivegotacitytorun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:37:10 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eat the Prey you Love.
I_Bin_Painting ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:09:04 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
cough My sharona cough
kricker02 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:22:35 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Even great songs can normalize animal abuse.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:39:47 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Brought to you by Shia Labeouf
Crying_Reaper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:38:48 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I always thought that was about eating a women out, though the fact he fucking covers himself in goddam blood makes just disgusting to think about.
spamburghlar ยท 105 points ยท Posted at 17:56:35 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Im Latching on to you"
Even great songs can normalize public breastfeeding.
Macabee721 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:35:59 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've always wanted to make a breastfeeding montage to that song.
swiftskill ยท 198 points ยท Posted at 17:07:38 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I HATE THESE BLURRED LINES!
I know you want it
friday6700 ยท 74 points ยท Posted at 17:45:11 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just keep in mind that Be, See, Are, Youuuuuu
Are words not letters
Get it together
Crazyspaceman ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 17:54:49 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Use your spell checker.
neohylanmay ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:58:26 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shouldn't the line be "Be, See, Are, and You"?
JohnLockeNJ ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 18:40:08 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
See, he's fighting sexual harassment, hoping for a world in which lines are clear with no misunderstandings.
ThatM3kid ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 22:41:06 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
im not sure if you're joking but that actually is what the song is about. He's talking about how hes tired of the "back and forth" when meeting casual sex partners in a club enviornment when everyone knows they're just there to hook up. hes saying, hes so tired of buying drinks, using euphamisms and innuendo to go home together, why cant you just say "whats up dude/girl, i like you and i believe you like me. wanna go fuck?"
kellykebab ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 03:15:13 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because it's harassment if women can't lie to themselves
Zaku0083 ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 16:54:39 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh come on. Everyone knows the best place to shackle someone is not in your embrace.... it is in the quiet room in the shack in the woods behind my house...
RedRing14 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 18:19:59 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You forgot about the radiator. Shackles are exponentially stronger when attached to radiators.
Zomgsauceplz ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:58:56 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Especially when you want to grape someone in the mouth.
helpmesleep666 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:45:30 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Look at what she's wearing..
capincus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:06:52 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's why they call it a shack.
weinermcgee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:42:25 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Found Steven Avery.
Athrul ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:14:20 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Strange.
That description doesn't sound like "the dungeon underneath my cellar" at all.
Shraker ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:14:07 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In touch with the ground I'm on the hunt I'm after you Smell like I sound, I'm lost in a crowd And I'm hungry like the wolf
______DEADPOOL______ ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 16:25:47 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking Poe's Law.
I give up
Illogical_Blox ยท 101 points ยท Posted at 17:30:58 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What's Poe's Law about it? It's a campaign using popular song lyrics to help spread awareness of sexual harassment. Think about for 5 seconds and it's actually quite clever. It's obviously intended to be taken seriously, unless you think that the creators of this poster thought that the stomach and the womb are one.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:33:57 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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crrrack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:09:01 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Baby XOR The Bottle perhaps?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:13:13 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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crrrack ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:44:37 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Acceptable for some I guess
Letterbocks ยท 58 points ยท Posted at 17:39:17 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
what the fuck are those moon runes?
Preyy ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 18:09:42 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's Inuktitut, which makes sense because drinking is very problematic in isolated northern communities.
Letterbocks ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:14:25 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're pretty cool looking, looks like something from stargate sg1!
thebeginningistheend ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:11:01 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why couldn't they have used romanized letters? Would have saved a fortune on keyboards for one thing.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:14:51 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They do where I live (mackenzie delta)
zuviel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:17:39 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In theory because Inuktitut doesn't neatly line up with the pronounciation of English letters.
The syllabics were actually originally invented by Christian missionaries for translating the Bible into Cree. They were adapted for use with Inuktitut.
The Inuit Uqausinginnik Taiguusiliuqtiit (the Inuit equivalent to the Acadรฉmie franรงaise) has proposed switching to Roman orthography to make it easier for young people to learn the language.
chasealex2 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:27:04 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's alien language 1 from Futurama.
Illogical_Blox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:49:52 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a pretty poor image, I'll admit.
Letterbocks ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:53:20 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously, what is the language on the
leftRIGHt? I don't get it.e2a: apparently I still don't know my left from my right.
GISlikeaboss ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 18:02:22 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's Inuktitut used by the Inuit in Nunavat and Nunavik in Canada.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:26:15 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well I'll be having Nunavat
CasaKulta ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:13:18 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's actually Nunavut, which works even better, bravo
Letterbocks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:08:48 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks! Very helpful :)
Illogical_Blox ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:00:01 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, I'm not sure what that is. It looked like Arabic at a glance, but it doesn't seem to be.
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 17:36:41 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
None of those seem in any way approving of or related to sexual harassment. It seems like you're making a problem where none exists.
Illogical_Blox ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 17:42:01 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The first one is about someone calling the other constantly. The second is a seriously weird lyric about stalking and obsession. The third is clinging and basically Overly Attached Girlfriend in lyric form. More about harassment in general, really, but sexual is a subset of that.
snakesphere ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 18:11:52 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
have you heard the full lyrics?
doesn't really sound like sexual harassment to me.
SteffonBaratheon1 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 18:16:09 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like regular harassment.
your_pal_zoidberg ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:19:44 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's the harassment part. Maybe not sexual harassment given the context, but still obnoxious and unsolicited.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:32:23 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's also hyperbole
TeardropsFromHell ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:44:53 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
PETA's next campaign "Saying I am so hungry I could eat a horse is bad, end equine suffering!"
Larein ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:46:15 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But it implies that multiple calls were made when the receiver didn't want to asnwer or talk to caller. What do you think 'I have called thousands times' means? I have called twice? Or ten times? 20? Every hour?
Illogical_Blox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:17:22 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eh... it's still someone calling their partner a thousand times to try and get together with them. Probably not what she intended, but still.
tryin2figureitout ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:39:02 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Calling someone a lot is harassment. But not sexual harassment.
[deleted] ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 17:44:56 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I understand the lyrics. I just don't see how they're problematic in any way.
Yeah, this part was incorrect. I still don't think there's anything worth objecting to in the songs, though.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:54:00 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody is suggesting censoring anything. Just pointing out that these song lyrics are about harassing behavior. No matter what that Adele song says, if you call your ex over and over, even 100 times, it's harassment. It's a cute way to highlight inappropriate behavior.
And just to be clear: don't call someone 1000 times. If they don't call you back after 4 tries, stop calling. Don't follow someone around at all hours of the day and night. That's stalking.
BeerBellies ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:08:27 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've been saying this for as long as that song has hit the airwaves, and I always catch shit for it.
snapcase ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:53:28 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Taking that sentence awfully literally aren't you? It's hyperbole.
Illogical_Blox ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 17:48:42 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But they aren't advocating censorship, they are pointing out (partly) how many love songs are horrible relationship advice, and also how much harassment, sexual or otherwise, is normalised. If someone calls you 50 times in a day, that's not good. At all.
20161616 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:46:54 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Just like 50 shades of grey isn't about a SM relationsship, love, romance or sex. It's about abuse and anyone who really is into bondage or BDSM will tell you how awfully wrong and abusive the relationsship is.
The worst part was ignoring safe words which is nothing less than rape.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:52:03 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Who is listening to a love song and taking every word as serious advice? It just seems like you're taking the lyrics way, way more seriously than anyone who just enjoys the song.
What do you think of gangster rap?
Sherm ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:03:03 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The guys who ask a girl out over and over and over again, because pop culture presents the guy being creepy and persistent as the way to "win" the girl.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:07:36 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because those guys aren't universally recognized as being creepy dumbasses.
Sherm ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:14:38 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And yet, they're still portrayed as the heroes in movies and TV shows.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:17:09 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, and so are vigilante cops, assassins, etc. People's standards for what happens in a movie and real life are very, very different.
You need to learn to separate fiction from reality.
Sherm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:22:27 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not just me, apparently. All the people who spend their time pining for sparkly vampires and partner-abusing billionaires. Spend an hour on instagram or a forum for "nice guys." You'll change your mind, and wind up with the same despair for your fellowman that we have.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:34:39 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fantasies are entirely separate from reality. Again. Learn the difference.
fezzuk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:19:29 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a lesson I think most men learn as teens. Usually the hard way.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:22:39 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, most men don't need to be taught that. Most men understand that no means no.
fezzuk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:29:37 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Know no means no is not what I'm talking about. More just being socially awkward with girls, or attempting to do 'romantic' things that are just awkward and creepy.
Texting a girl 20 times in one night, not getting a reply and so you try and rescue the situation by sending more and then dieing of embarrassment the next day if definitely a drunk teenage thing to do.
And your not being told no, your just being ignored by your friend who was really nice to you at school today, or are you being ignored that's hard to take with a girl you like as a teen boy, perhaps she just is not looking at her phone, or is thinking about what to say, perhaps I'll try and lighten the mood with one more .....
And then 15 years later the memory come back as you are brushing your teeth and the cringe works it's way up from the ankles.
jimbojonesFA ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:16:56 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel you man, that's part of lots of different types of music, they use devices like hyperbole (called a 1000 times), metaphors, analogies (maroon 5's animals) and so on to express their points. So obviously, lyrics taken out of context and/or taken literally can easily be made to sound like they were saying something else.
For example the Adele lyrics they quoted are followed up by "to tell you I'm sorry for everything that I've done"
And the Maroon 5 one, the song is literally called "Animals", and the lyrics are about a mutual carnal desire for sex, like animals, the lyrics just fit the theme of the analogy.
I don't know, if you can't discern song lyrics from reality then you might have other problems to worry about.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:08:03 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dude plenty of teenagers think every song lyric is some how a window into their lives. Not everyone is super rational.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:10:44 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's a problem with the listener, not the song. If someone has that problem than literally anything from music to television to video games could fuck them up. It's not a problem with the music, it's a problem with the person. Society shouldn't revolve around catering to the irrational.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:18:56 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh of course, but I don't think the poster is trying to censor anything. All its really doing is pointing out that some lyrics can be harassment more than romantic.
No where on the poster does it say "stop this music" or "don't listen to this". Someone can interpret that from their understanding of it but that's not what the poster is saying.
Just like how some people can interpret weird shit from lyrics even if that's not what the artist meant.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:24:53 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree that that first comment, I was incorrect in that statement.
It's worth noting that that's what ya'll are doing right now.
From a recent comment by /u/JimboJonesFA
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:32:14 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh I don't agree with the poster(s), I think it makes a point in that the lyrics can be seen as harassment but that's only if the lyrics are taken out of context.
But I think those are meant for people who do take lyrics too seriously, the problem is that a poster isn't going to change their minds.
There's a difference between adele saying she called someone "1k times" to apologize. Obviously that's a metaphor, but there are people out there that will call someone a thousand times because they think its romantic and then will take a lyric out of context to prove their point.
My point is that the posters don't condone censorship and there are people out there who take fictional things too seriously.
Illogical_Blox ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:02:07 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No one is. But seeing as so, so many love songs have stalking/harassment lyrics, it's indicative of underlying problems.
I think gangster rap is indicative of it's singers and general problems with sexism.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:16:48 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is just a hook to bring attention to a subject. Much like a huge portion of gangster rap.
Uglydukling ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 18:01:53 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I get calls 50x a day from some of my suppliers and customers. Thats business...not sexual harrasment
Illogical_Blox ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:05:26 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think that's a slightly different situation from having your partner call you up to check up on you, ensure you aren't cheating on them or just because you broke up with them. By slightly, I mean as different as a white kitten is from a polar bear.
CireArodum ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:50:31 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Censoring is limiting someone's ability to speak, which is different than objecting to what's being said.
Uglydukling ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 18:00:16 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nope still dont see it. Waste of money on campaign
Illogical_Blox ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:03:43 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, you might think so, but personally I can easily see it.
SuperSaiyanNoob ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:06:00 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
you don't see how calling someone one thousand times is harassment?
______DEADPOOL______ ยท -25 points ยท Posted at 17:34:16 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Found the SJW
EatingInternet ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:38:37 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Never seen deadpool with a downvote.
Nerpt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:39:34 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Unfortunately it's become common
______DEADPOOL______ ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 17:43:36 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm being brigaded lately.
wioneo ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:53:05 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That was just a stupid comment.
The only reason I (and I assume several people) even noticed it was from one of the apparently famous reddit people was that guy pointing it out.
Illogical_Blox ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 17:42:31 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Please use your brain when arguing and not your spinal cord.
wioneo ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:53:29 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What is that even supposed to mean?
Illogical_Blox ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:00:43 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Brain = actual argument.
Spinal cord = automatic reaction, such as his response.
karmacow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:14:23 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hahaha, you should probably say use your frontal lobe and not your limbic system! Makes more sense anatomically!
Illogical_Blox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:20:35 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
True, but I think if no one got my spinal cord reference, they wouldn't get the limbic system. :P
Creepy_Shakespeare ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:21:46 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shut up you SJW. Go spout you bs in a subreddit that cares, maybe try /r/srs
Illogical_Blox ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:26:54 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? Iโll have you know I graduated top of my class in the liberal arts college, and Iโve been involved in numerous secret raids on 4chan, and I have over 300 confirmed triggers. I am trained in gorilla arguing and Iโm the top SJW in the entire internet. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. Youโre fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and thatโs just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed oppression, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the BLM movement and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little โcleverโ comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldnโt, you didnโt, and now youโre paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. Youโre fucking dead, kiddo.
LvS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:05:55 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you talking about the posters or about the songs?
MTLDAD ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:47:31 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, man. Here's the deal. A lot of obsessive behavior is passed off as a love songs. And that is kind of a problem when some people see that behavior as just normal courtship behavior because it's in all of the songs.
nickpeq ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:35:17 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like I've only ever seen "not on OUr campus" on fake posters. But then again, I've seen some dumb as hell real posters around campus too.
๐๏ธ Trollker ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:36:33 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
These are official and are in the napkin holders in campus restaurants.
nickpeq ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:42:48 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
OUr school is a weird place sometimes.
puzzlebuns ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:36:10 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ok I can get how a lyric about calling someone a thousand times normalizes harassment, but now they're reaching. Those lyrics are completely figurative.
whiskeyonsunday ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:54:09 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love Maroon 5, I love Animal, but that song is creepy as fuck and the video double downs on it. I'm going to be honest, I love Maroon 5 partially because the vast majority of their songs sound like they were written by a serial killer. I understand the point of being up front about not romanticizing things like that and pointing out they are not representational of a healthy relationship and still enjoy the songs for what they are.
AskMrScience ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:15:16 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Really? Latch is clearly about a guy who's become obsessed with his new love interest to an unhealthy degree. "If there are boundaries, I will try to knock them down"? Stage 5 clinger alert!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:20:58 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Cifra00 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:36:28 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He sings the lyric though
just_another_reddit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:22:11 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is him saying it in the song though...
captaintrips456 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:20:11 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty liberal use of the word great.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:28:50 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe he just likes to eat raw squid?
jughead0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:43:33 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So, they just take the artists who made songs for Bond movies? Smells like conspiracy against Sony.
Targetshopper4000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:48:23 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Where's the ying yang twins? the Jason Derulo (if she doesn't speak the language, she can't consent!) Why is it just the white musicians? REVERSE RACISM! #WHITEMUSICMATTERS
onrocketfalls ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:07:09 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They called Animals a great song? Fucking triggered
HumbleSuperGod ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:31:18 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know Sam Smith did his own version, but it's Disclosure, not Sam Smith technically.
dunkeychick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:53:55 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was just in the caf as they were putting these little cards in the napkin holder. I'm glad OU is pushing for sexual assault awareness, but this seems like this is kind of a reach.
Pizzahuthut ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:15:48 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Boomer Sooner!
Langly- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:54:45 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/vore must like that first one.
RedRing14 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 18:19:01 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Baby it's cold outside is my favorite song to point out how rapey it sounds. People get really offended when you attack a Christmas song.
Edit: For the first time people actual made valid points on how the song isn't all that bad. Some of it still seems a bit off considering how pushy the male comes across and then to give the woman an alcoholic beverage when she would be going home seems a bit odd as well.
PixieDust- ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 18:47:19 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It seems rapey until you realize she actually wants to spend the night with him, but she's afraid people will think she's a tramp.
Flavahbeast ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:05:36 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
what's the sense in hurting my pride?
RedRing14 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:03:00 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't really get that impression in he song at all. Even the way the ok is delivered at the end seems hesitant. Hell she even questions what's in the drink.
Berdiiie ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:15:13 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She's coming up with excuses to make it more acceptable to stay. "Oh, this drink is strong! I better hang out here a little longer."
She isn't saying that he drugged her.
TheAngryGoat ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:19:44 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Rape fetishists imagine seeing rape all over the place.
RedRing14 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:45:38 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've never thought of that word existing before...fetishists. I can assure you I don't have a rape fetish in fact it's one of the quicker ways to get me to turn off a porn. I'm not the only person in the world to claim that song does in fact sound a bit rapey.
silenttd ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:36:08 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jimmy Fallon and Cecily Strong had a pretty funny take on it on SNL a few years back
Enex ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:14:35 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not about rape. It's about social mores. You're confused because, I suppose, you assume that they are the same now as they were then.
You are mistaken.
SlowRollingBoil ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:05 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Say - what's in this drink?"
Ewallaceiii ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:02:09 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not a rapey song. She's not referring to a roofie in her beverage. She's referring to, and blaming her "trampy" behavior on, the alcohol in her drink. "Good girls don't act like this, so there must be an explanation. Oh! Blame it on the alcohol!"
SlowRollingBoil ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:06:33 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's literally the rapiest Christmas song.
Ewallaceiii ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:18:06 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She also says she wishes she knew how to break this spell. Is he a wizard too?
She clearly wants to stay and get her inner freak on.
godspareme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:02:55 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm curious. Why didn't you just put all three into an album and make that OP? Unless you're whoring for extra karma.
๐๏ธ Trollker ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:11:19 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because I'm whoring for karma
princelabia ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:47:37 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, Sam Smith is great?
Derbl ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:38:55 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not seeing great songs in any of these...
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:45:33 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What's the context behind that quote?
xveganxcowboyx ยท 69 points ยท Posted at 18:04:07 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nirvana - Rape Me
an_internet_denizen ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 19:27:03 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was pretty sure this song was about the music industry raping Kurt Cobain with all the commercialization. Funny cause now I hear "Come as you are" as I'm walking down the grocery aisle. I guess we know who won that argument.
I could be wrong, but songs sometimes don't actually mean what they imply.
frillytotes ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 22:10:57 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kurt Cobain conceived "Rape Me" as a life-affirming anti-rape song. He told Spin, "It's like she's saying, 'Rape me, go ahead, rape me, beat me. You'll never kill me. I'll survive this and I'm gonna fucking rape you one of these days and you won't even know it.'"
lordofthemonkeyfists ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:58:11 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I could be wrong but I'm like 99 percent sure it was a response to someone raping a girl while singing his previous anti-rape song, Polly, with the intent of making it in your face so the message would be clear.
frillytotes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:15:09 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I remember hearing that too, but I couldn't find a reference to it.
theHip ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:55:44 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But if you are asking to be raped, isn't that consent?
moeburn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:56:53 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Here's your answer, he explains all his anti-rape songs pretty clearly here, and explicitly states it's not about the industry and how they treated Kurt:
https://youtu.be/rhArMsT-ceE?t=17m14s
kccogirl ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 22:04:54 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I kind of hate when people use rape to describe something shitty happening in their lives. Lady Gaga did it too and I'm sorry but no. This is nothing like being raped.
If I had to choose between people meddling in my art that's making me a multi millionaire and being raped, I wouldn't choose rape.
GGnerd ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:23:18 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Had me scared for a second, thought you were gonna go with getting raped
kccogirl ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:31:39 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean its a very tempting option but ultimately I have to pass.
[deleted] ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 19:23:23 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wasn't that really an anti-rape song?
PechosGrandes ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 21:11:13 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
it was pro-controversy
thebeginningistheend ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:22:07 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Reverse psychology, clever.
moeburn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:57:34 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://youtu.be/rhArMsT-ceE?t=17m14s
[deleted] ยท 64 points ยท Posted at 15:55:32 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And she is an arsonist.
ChuckBoBuck ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 17:58:05 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
RIP Lorraine
Jubguy3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:22:45 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Adele took your face!
sorator ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 17:39:22 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, I dunno that setting fire to the rain really qualifies as arson. Rain isn't a building.
Mistaken-Identities ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 18:28:33 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Setting fire to Lorraine does though
sorator ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:35:40 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno, is setting fire to a person considered arson? I'd think that would be more assault or attempted murder.
lesser_panjandrum ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 18:39:04 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lorraine was a synth.
Mav12222 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:08:42 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure setting fire to an entire region of France is arson, or at that scale scorched earth is a better description
elreydelasur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:42:47 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yeah an arson charge usually relates to the burning of a building, but if a death occurs during that arson (like someone was inside the building) it can be charged as felony murder.
Setting fire to an actual person is definitely attempted murder, and murder if the person dies.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:52:19 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but it doesn't make you not an arsonist if you set fire to an arrow then shoot the arrow into a building.
sorator ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:36:16 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So if she made it rain and set fire to it, then perhaps she'd be an arsonist.
Fgame ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:34:15 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Deanne?
IanGecko ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:17:57 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Now Suzanne is, too.
ThatOnePerson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:55:21 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like the Jonathan Coulton song
nurb101 ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 18:21:20 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I imagine it's a scary time to be socially inept.
[deleted] ยท 56 points ยท Posted at 18:52:51 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Every male lead in every 80's romcom would be in jail at best if the movies were made today.
jcaseys34 ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 19:03:56 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Even better, try watching an old Bond movie.
NaughtyFred ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:26:09 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'll just leave this here
Kakarot_faps ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:08:31 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You don't even have to watch an old one, the scene with Monica belucci in spectre last year was pretty rapey.
BlueOx55 ยท 60 points ยท Posted at 15:08:08 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't say anything about texting dic pixs, game on.
Hingl_McCringleberry ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 19:18:11 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Show me whatcha got"
-Jay-Z
Even great songs can normalize sexual harassment
TheWingedPig ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:57:56 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Show me what you got
eamonn33 ยท 53 points ยท Posted at 19:20:47 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"I love you, You love me, We're a happy family, With a great big hug and a kiss from me to you. Won't you say you love me too?"
Does your partner coerce you into saying that you love him? Does he force great big hugs and kisses on you? Call 1800-HELPME now
din7 ยท 176 points ยท Posted at 14:52:39 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is nothing new. I remember my parents telling me that satan wrote the music I was listening to. They even took all my cds at one point.
68Cadillac ยท 202 points ยท Posted at 15:47:37 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I really liked his first two albums, but I feel like Satan just rushed out the third.
A7XnJackDaniels ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 16:19:48 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Satan's new stuff is garbage but I hear he is getting back to the basics. I am excited to hear what's next.
Adnoz ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 16:26:28 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lots of accordion, harmonica and confirmed guest artists are Conway Twitty and a group of South American indians playing panpipe.
unimatrix_0 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:14:12 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
don't forget the gyrating hips, like that devil Elvis.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:32:25 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ePOJmwdhIc
Adnoz ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:41:29 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That video had 11 111 views, 111 likes and 1 dislike... Guys, just maybe we shouldn't fool around anymore with this Satan thing.
Princepurple1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:38:38 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One great fiddle "solo" and I'm into it.
redemption2021 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:10:53 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And a kickass Didgeridoo
sveitthrone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:51 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck that, Life Sentence was awesome.
A7XnJackDaniels ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:58:51 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That lead guitarist needs better band mates. Jesus, the drummer sucks and the singer sounds like he is holding in a massive shit.
TheNaughtyMonkey ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 16:43:50 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When you played it backwards you could hear the Lord's Prayer.
B_jerrell ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 18:46:40 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Ya ya ya, I am Lorde."
ApecotVibes ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:55:00 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Satan ever made any vinyls?
68Cadillac ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:59:17 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kinda. Prior to going solo he was a member of Old Scratch. Most of their stuff came out on vinyl.
ApecotVibes ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:00:20 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well atleast Satan wasn't a DJ.
Unlike God.
rabbyt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:14:37 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
God never had any real musical talent, the laptop did all the work for him, he thought he was a smart-ass using his laptop back in the 1460s...
ApecotVibes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:24:58 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
God's biggest problem was his love of MDMA while DJing...
Despite being a pioneer of the rave culture in the 15th century, the drug ultimately got the better of him
Delta-IX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:31:39 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No but Jesus built my hotrod
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:04:50 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He wasn't all that clever when he came up with his alter ego's name though. 'Santa', seriously? I guess he just didn't want to ruin his reputation though.
atsparagon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:32:05 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't liked anything since his demo tape.
TheHundredAcreWoody ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:52:42 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is pronounced "Sateen"
luckierbridgeandrail ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 16:57:08 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, please. Everyone knows Satan is a record label executive, not a songwriter.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:35:24 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
FTFY
GISlikeaboss ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:03:25 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Silly parents, Satan only uses vinyl because you can play them backwards easily.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:09:14 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
1) Rip audio from CD
2) Reverse in basic Audio software
3) Play backwards much more easily and clearly than vinyl would ever allow
4) ?????
5) Eternity in hell.
Romymopen ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 17:46:40 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The young ultra liberals have replaced the old ultra conservatives when it comes to what you can say, think, or do
BadLuckBen ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 18:06:03 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The further you go towards one side, the more similar they seem.
(with some obvious differences but this is a profound statement and they're supposed to be short)
maaghen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:30:30 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
it's called the horseshoe theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory essentially it means that the far right and the far left are closer to each other than any of them is to the center
DeeMI5I0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:34:50 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's because one side may list toward tyranny and the other tyranny of the majority - both of those things were acknowledged as equally dangerous as far back as the Federalist Papers (No. 10 has some good info on this). Both of those things end in loss of liberty, but one has a single dictator removing them. Through the other a majority controls what everyone does/says and has absolute power.
Kakarot_faps ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:06:27 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait is this poster telling me I can't listen to Adele?
Logan117 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:09:22 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was trying to think of how to describe the regressive left, and it occurred to me. They are so extreme, that they are actually lending credit to outrageous claim the conservatives make about "the left's secret agenda." They are the liberal equivalent to the ultra-religious, wanting to control what you do, say, and even think. And if you voice anything other than complete compliance, you are labeled a dissenter and condemned. They are the left side of Poe's law.
Snokus ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 18:44:31 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes.
Stating that some songs promote unhealthy relationship norms is exactly the same as stating that rock is the Devils music.
Next you're gonna say that the Westboro protesters are the same as anti-Vietnam protesters.
They are performing similar actions so obviously they're basically the same.
thetarget3 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:08:38 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes.
Making a strawman argument is exactly the same as criticising the original argument.
Next you're going to say that listening to pop music is literally the same as threatening rape.
They are using similar words so obviously they are basically the same.
Snokus ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:43:32 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It obviously isn't a strawman since the original argument regarded everything you could say, think or do.
Stating examples of things that you can say, think or do is hardly a strawman.
Also the original argument was "theyre doing similar things, ergo they are becoming the same" which I challenged as being narrow-minded and only including aspects that support the argument.
Intent seem to not have been regarded at all, for instance.
Also Ofcourse you claim my argument to be a falacy instead of actually coming up with a counter argument.
VectorDotZero ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:24:12 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What a dumb comparison
mangletron ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:40 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVbbtuJfgIc&t=1m11s
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:11:54 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
THEY CAN TAKE MY CDs BUT THEY'LL NEVER TAKE AWAY MY FM!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:23:55 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Satan is pretty talented.
CarrotIronfounderson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:37:09 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
http://i.imgur.com/0wQ22h6.png
MinxyKittyNoNo ยท 71 points ยท Posted at 16:11:33 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you fuckin' serious? I'm a crazy bitch, and even I don't have the attention span to ACTUALLY call 1,000 motherfuckin' times.
[deleted] ยท 69 points ยท Posted at 16:47:34 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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The_Ipod_Account ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 17:42:48 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yup there are, and a poster isn't going to stop them. Had to call the police twice on my harasser.
thedingoismybaby ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:44:05 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think it is really to stop the suspect but to help the victims see that this behaviour isn't normal or acceptable. The amount of times it starts with this kind of behaviour but isn't reported until it escalates to even crazier levels is ridiculous.
austeregrim ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 17:47:26 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I still love you! I can change.
The_Ipod_Account ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 17:50:49 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
OMG you wouldn't believe how panic inducing that comment is.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:31:08 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My ex one day disappeared on me. We dated for two years and she just disappeared. The relationship was fine too. I left it alone for 48 hours then went crazy and called her like 100 times. Just kept going to voicemail. I thought she had died or something idk. Turns out that was her way of breaking up.
austeregrim ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:00:33 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No... I mean it this time! It will be better.
Hunnyhelp ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:18:14 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Go away
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 18:26:24 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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whycantiholdalldeez ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 19:04:09 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hammertime!
_Ghost_Who_Walks_ ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:41:16 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Even great songs can normalize domestic violence.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:09:43 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
oooh Oooh OOOH OOOH OOOH Oooh Oooh oooh Oooh
whycantiholdalldeez ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 19:06:54 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're either full of hyperbole, or really not stable enough for the rest of society. I'm not making fun; If your PTSD from your last relationship is still that bad, get help!
sans-seraph ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:37:37 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's not... how mental health works.
I'm sure your Concern is appreciated, tho
CatchThisDrift ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:18:32 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like how your capitalization of Concern makes it seem like a name brand product for sale at a department store. Gives the (perceived) insincerity a boost.
The_Ipod_Account ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:48:58 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wasn't going to reply to this, but your comment has been bothering me.
I hope you never have to go through what I went through. I had two years of harressement. It was in person, on phone, email, text, all forms of Internet communication you can think of, through friends and family. First time I called the police it stopped, for a little while. I moved countries, I wiped as much as I could of myself off the internet, I cut out friends. I didn't return to a job, or house I loved. I changed my phone number. And then it started again, on my birthday.
I called the police, again. This time they got arrested. We are currently going through the court system.
To read a sentence that was almost word for word of something they would say to me. Yes, for a moment I panicked. I thought, fuck, they've found me again. I had to look through their history, just to make sure it wasn't them. After I was sure, I realised it was a joke and I found it funny.
To have gone through two years of someone stalking, harassing and mentally messing with you. Well it leaves a mark. I truly hope that you never have to experience it, and if you do well i would be very impressed if it does nothing to you.
To say that I'm either full of hyperbole, or not stable enough for the rest of society is truly insulting. To say that people with PTSD are not stable for society, well I can not even convey my disappointment in that statement.
Just because my scars are not visible doesn't mean I'm not hurting. But it also doesn't mean I'm not getting help.
choff63 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:44:40 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think there's a misunderstanding. I don't think my dude up there meant to sound like a prick (but they totally did) and I think it was just a matter of phrasing. They did want to make sure you were getting help if your PTSD (or whatever, i'm not a doctor) is that bad. Its totally dope that you're getting help. I hope good shit happens or whatever.
Marted ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:48:24 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe they were just surprised and had a brief moment of panic before they realized that it was just a joke?
DomCaboose ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:12:08 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've heard my fair share of that line too, but when I heard it, I always remembered this
DomCaboose ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:11:08 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just for you then
faithle55 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:07:59 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Should have used your phone.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:12:39 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not if you use the poster to beat the shit out of them.
tryin2figureitout ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:52:55 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, but do you think someone like that will be disuated with a poster.
apheix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:41:29 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/usa-woman-arrested-for-calling-her-ex-boyfriend-77-000-times-in-a-week/
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:06:19 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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apheix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:10:10 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was supporting your point with proof.
almightySapling ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:38:23 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, I legit thought the point of the song was that Adele is a stalker.
I mean, this is basically just the sequel to "Someone Like You" which was kinda about the same thing.
datwrasse ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:08:36 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A friend spent the night in jail once and there was a girl that tried dialing out something like 600 times from the phone in the holding cell. Of course there was a no contact order involved and each call was its own individual crime with blatant video evidence etc. Not good.
myrddyna ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:52:26 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
get yourself an auto-dialer, practically stalks for you! It will change the way you think about harassment!
apinc ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:42:02 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
FYI phone companies really frown upon auto dialers.
Friend of mine who owns a phone company has fired so many customers over that. The legal headache that comes from him from someone using an autodialer isn't worth it
Makenshine ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:57:40 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But do you fuck so good that he's on top of it?
metalshiflet ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:33:36 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The reference seems to have been overlooked
mirrorspirit ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:03:03 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a song. Songs are prone to exaggerated emotion. They are not factual biographies about what the singer/songwriter does or believes.
Singing about unrequited infatuation is not the singer endorsing stalking.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:12:47 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So your telling me rappers aren't thugs at all? And they don't kill people and sell drugs? Well my mind is blown. /s
404_UserNotFound ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:00:46 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/usa-woman-arrested-for-calling-her-ex-boyfriend-77-000-times-in-a-week/
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:51:03 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Once every 7.9 seconds?
Anon3mous1 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:45:05 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She was allegedly using three phones to call three different numbers simultaneously... According to the article she was prone to OCD and high on meth.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:46:46 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So if you get high on weed, you call Pizza takeaway shops, high on meth, ex boyfriends, what does Coke get you?
Runningflame570 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:15:20 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Diabetes.
poiumty ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:26:53 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I bet you believed it, too.
MinxyKittyNoNo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:32:31 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm starting to rethink my dedication on how crazy I am.
splice_of_life ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:48:21 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So, hypothetically -
If you don't get arrested for calling your ex once, but you do get arrested for calling your ex 77,000 times, then where's the tipping point? Like, what's the exact number?
"She called me 257 times!"
"So?"
"Look, there goes number 258!"
"Arrest that woman!"
Also, how many of those 77,000 calls did he answer?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:43:23 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.platinumhearts.net/t6115-2ch-love-story-op-and-denko
4chan's Denko story. Anyone who hasn't read this, do so now :)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:36:27 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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MinxyKittyNoNo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:33:35 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm starting to gather that, hahaha. I guess I'm more of a cut your break line kind of girl~
-iamverysmart- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:31:43 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently not that crazy!
clean_beats ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 16:42:34 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh hey, Boomer Sooner!
Deano1234 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:16:58 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a person in Stillwater, I hate you.... lol
SuperCrystal ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:54:53 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We hate you too <3 Boomer!
risa_mae ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:17:01 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a person who went to both OSU and OU, I must be confused
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 19:49:02 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Cornflip ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:40:33 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're laughing at us, not wanting our heads on pikes for racism. I'll take this improvement.
bluefoxicy ยท 110 points ยท Posted at 17:39:37 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The difference between creepy and romantic is really just response.
If you show up after a girl with an arm full of flowers and she flips out, you're creepy. If you climb up to her balcony and tap on her sliding glass door holding an arm full of flowers and she breaks down and makes out with you, you're romantic.
People will tell these stories about long pursuits and an unwillingness to back down, about passion and determination, about the depths of romance and true love, and I'm like, "... some other bloke did that, too, and got a restraining order against him. I'm pretty sure that's how it usually works."
What happens when society becomes too intolerant of a reasonable measure of effort? Has anyone noticed how dangerous it is to ever flirt with a coworker, at all?
EvanDaniel ยท 63 points ยท Posted at 17:50:51 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The fact that response can be part of the judgment as to what's creepy and what's romantic doesn't mean it's the only part, or even the biggest part. And even when it is the main factor, that doesn't mean it's normally the main factor.
More commonly, the difference between creepy and romantic is whether prior statements are paid attention to or ignored, whether slightly or less slightly subtle communication is respected or unintentionally misinterpreted, etc.
CptSandbag73 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 18:45:39 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, what a perfect explanation. I hear you 100% on the aspect of subtle communication. Some people are really terrible at reading body language, etc.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 20:06:34 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but when you name them as creepy, most people look down on the guy or girl for simply not being good at picking up those cues.
radical0rabbit ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:11:30 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't even have to be body language. Any girl who puts up a chat request on r/kikpals is going to get messaged by the hugest creeps who interpret her as wanting something more, even if "clean" is in the title. If I mention my husband, a lot of dudes will just straight up ghost, even though I'm a stranger on the other side of the world, without a profile picture. I used to work in a bar, and even when I would flash an engagement ring dudes would keep pushing for my number. I had a lesbian bugging me all night, even after I gently said I wasn't interested. Even if things are clearly represented, people ignore it.
Runningflame570 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:19:36 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's a certain appeal to taboo and I believe your last two examples are cases where that came into play. That and booze reducing inhibitions.
If people ignore explicit requests to NOT do something then that makes them creepy at a minimum; where young guys in particular tend to get into trouble is by utterly failing to read things like body language, or not understanding when women try to let them down easy.
yeartwo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:39:45 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Oh you only said he was creepy because he was ugly."
Some people just don't understand how other people see them.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:19:54 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
More commonly? Based on what? All those fucking sources you provided?
You don't get to shoot someone down for generalizing with a fucking generalization. I'm fairly certain everything you're saying is based solely on your perception rather than anything approaching actual fact.
It fucking sickens me that you've just promoted anti-science thinking, perpetuated the idea that people aren't responsible for their actions, bashed someone, and got upvotes for all of that shit. Everything you said is wholly representative of a toxic mindset that's really starting to spread on this website.
SayberDevil ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:37:36 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You ok there buddy?
Bruce_G ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:36:09 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:49:18 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seriousness in a funny thread, but you are correct here.
Fap_Left_Surf_Right ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:08:35 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The saving grace of university ridiculousness (it's nothing new) is that once out of college, people realize it's just like leaving high school. It's over, it's irrelevant, you've got a new journey ahead. You have a life now and you get to do it!!
The sad part is that for most people, college was full of amazing memories. Sports, social clubs, cool projects, parties, Greek life, etc. These kids now are living in either an endless anger that the boogeyman of social-slight is around the corner or living in fear that simply saying the wrong thing will ignite their classmates into a rage.
I wish these kids would ask themselves "is this how I want to live my life? Is this at all happy?" - bc none of that stuff will matter once you leave. You're going to look back at this with either laughter or regret
bluefoxicy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:22:59 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The problem isn't that you went through college and wasted money, though. The problem is you need that gold stamp on your CV to qualify for a job, and 1,000 other people with that gold stamp on their CV are trying to get the same job.
To put it more directly: if you don't go through a four-year-long motion sucking down tons of taxpayer money or personal debt for zero societal gain, you're kicked out of a significant part of society.
Fap_Left_Surf_Right ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:01:30 on February 1, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well if that's the golden ticket and there's no alternative possible at the moment, worrying about this won't solve anything. Just get it and move on.
bluefoxicy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:00:33 on February 1, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Think I got distracted and responded with an economics argument in a social thread. Wrong topic.
The alternative at the moment, btw, is for the government to drop all individualized college incentives (that is: no federal loans, no tax credits, no tuition subidies). It's bad politics, but optimal economics; this is one of extremely few situations where the free market always fully optimizes (because not only do the most powerful players experience the most pain from this tactic, and so move to resolve it with their vast and expansive resources; but, also, that resolution helps everyone).
Watermelon_Pink ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:11:39 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree it's not an ideal situation, but I'd rather label someone else as creepy than risk being sexually harassed/assaulted (I'm looking at you, Adele...).
bluefoxicy ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:23:58 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What about when the police show up at your house and the lawyers come to sue you for whistling at a girl and complementing her legs, thanks to the new anti-catcalling laws in New York?
Watermelon_Pink ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:46:45 on February 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I doubt that the response would be that dramatic, but if it is I have a wonderful solution: Don't catcall people.
bluefoxicy ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:19:55 on February 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A few decades ago, we called it flirting.
PillowTalk420 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 19:16:45 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nirvana's Polly.
It's about a rapist.
Unlike Rape Me which has nothing at all to do with rape or sex.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:35:50 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or Sublime's "Date Rape." Guess what that one's about.
PillowTalk420 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:07:35 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If it wasn't for that song, I'd never get laid!
krk064 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:34:27 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Great songs"
cassie1992 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:49:07 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Adele stated his song is about her reconnecting with her old self. Soooo that makes this poster a little weirder.
komidor64 ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 16:09:29 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't get it. Calling someone a thousand times would definitely be harassment.. but what is sexual about it?
ergonomicsalamander ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 16:22:19 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's because it's happening within the context of a (would-be) romantic relationship
[deleted] ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 17:55:51 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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Shizo211 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:05:05 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well it depends whether stalking is seen (or defined as) sexual harrassment. It's more about obsession and affection and not sexualization though.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:33:39 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's technically domestic violence.
komidor64 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:25:46 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So the left are the new values voters. awesome. see you guys in 8 years
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 17:56:54 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, they'll vote for the more-right candidate because she's a woman, rather than Sanders, who shares their views. Hell, they'd vote for Palin if she was the only woman
originalmaja ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:28:10 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think they want us to believe that Adele is doing that.
raider9 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:23:13 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
its not stalking when Adele does it
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:14:03 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So telemarketers are sexually harassing me?
Rictor86 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:22:33 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Quick, we need to start a class-action lawsuit. Colleges have set the bullshit precedent, let's see if we can make it work for us.
[deleted] ยท 101 points ยท Posted at 16:02:07 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've noticed this as well: despite all the media attention, Internet SJWs and general awareness about sexual harassment and rape, somehow pop culture is getting kinda fuckin' creepy regarding relationships.
The Adele and Maroon 5 song lyrics for example. Don't forget Joe Jonas (oh it's okay that I'm a jealous creep, it's because you're so sexy and beautiful baby).
The recent Chanel (?) commercial with Gisele Bundchen (I know the BGM in that is an old song, but the artist sings it in this slow, creepy way)
The recent Macy's ad that talked about "spiking your friend's eggnog" while the man in the ad stands behind the woman leering at her.
tillie_hakes ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 17:28:21 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like to play a game sometimes called "Imagine if Robin Thicke sang this" one of my favourites was by a British girl group called little mix who sang: "Take a sip of my secret potion, I'll make you fall in love. For a spell that can't be broken, One drop should be enough. Boy, you belong to me, I got the recipe And it's called black magic"
jwota ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 18:25:48 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's a Bill Cosby song if I've ever heard one.
Watermelon_Pink ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:18:04 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Automatically made me think of this (NSFW?):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=besekb8f664
the_beard_guy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:17:34 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is this straight up hentai or that weird anime about everyone being sexually repressed?
Watermelon_Pink ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:49:46 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The latter
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:20:20 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Link for anyone wondering
ITalkToTheWind ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 18:30:02 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"I'd rather see you dead, little girl, than to be with another man"
Oh wait, that was written in the 50s.
ReaderWalrus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:45:38 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Right, but that wasn't supposed to be a good thing.
Besides, things were different back then.
DMercenary ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 17:28:31 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nick Jonas I think you meant?
"Its my right to be hellish, I still get Jealous."
Uh. What!?
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:17:11 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, you're right, it's Nick. That shows you how many shits I give about the Jonas Brothers (hint: <1)
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:51:23 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
it is about a girlfriend. how is this creepy? it is just overbearing.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:18:19 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And an boyfriend who thinks he is entitled to be overbearing and jealous because his girlfriend is attractive isn't creepy? If I was a girl, I would find him creepy.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:29:34 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
not necessarily. jealousy does not equal creepy. creepy would be going to her friends house to see if she was actually there or some shit. getting jealous because other guys are trying to get with your girlfriend isn't creepy. stop trying to be a white knight bro.
Illogical_Blox ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 17:23:30 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Getting? All love songs have been kinda weird for a while IMO. Of course, some of them are tongue-in-cheek, but many are slightly... odd.
SoDamnShallow ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:31:27 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Slightly?
There's plenty of imma-murder-you-stalker tier lyrics out there. Part of that is due to changes in social norms. There's a lot of things we don't find acceptable today that used to be completely normal.
nekoshii ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 17:25:01 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's some grey area in that Justin Bieber song, too.
"What do you mean? When you nod your head yes But you wanna say no What do you mean?"
She wants to say no...
SexLiesAndExercise ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 18:21:09 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"One beep for yes, two beeps for no."
[beep beep]
"Two beeps. Double yes."
Badass_moose ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:11:00 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What is this from?
jemtan990 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:34:31 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Futurama: Where No Fan Has Gone Before
sanitysepilogue ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:24:19 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Futurama did this with Zapp Brannigan holding a trial
'Two beeps, double guilty. I will now carry out the punishment'
GigaRebyc ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 18:28:08 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Huh, I thought song was more about her not being able to make up her mind and stringing him along in her indecision, hence his frustration.
nekoshii ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:45:10 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
True, but maybe he could've phrased it differently so as to sound less creepy.
GigaRebyc ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:40:08 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was curious so I looked up the lyrics. Definitely 100% him bitching about her indecisiveness and not him being creepy, lol.
[deleted] ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 18:18:27 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
If you nod your head yes then I'd say that's a yes. I'm not a mind reader
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:47:34 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I concur. Those are some mind fucking lyrics right there.
If you want to say no, say no. Seriously what DOES she mean?
jkmhawk ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:38:08 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Last I heard anything but a verbal yes is a no
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:06:41 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Only if you live in the Democratic Republic of California
nekoshii ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 18:45:35 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But he says he knows that she wants to say no, so...
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:53:47 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Women are adults capable of making their own decisions. It seems a bit patronizing to say "I know you said yes, but you don't actually want this."
toomuchtimewasted ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:49:29 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But she said yes.
Awfy ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 19:21:19 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You could therefore take this song as supporting consent, no? He sees she's saying "yes" but has reason to believe she's feeling "no" so he's questioning it rather than just taking "yes" as the answer. It's far better than you could really expect from a pop song today.
yeartwo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:38:06 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I saw your interpretation pop up a bunch after this song came out, but I don't buy it for a minute.
The song is also filled with lyrics like "I can't win" and "you wanna make a point but you keep preaching" and "first you're up then you're down, then in between."
It's not about consent and checking with her and being exactly sure of what she wants, it's about him not understanding how she's communicating because she is (does the narrator's general 'you' encourage the listener to expand this into women generally?) temperamental and never says what she means.
jimbojonesFA ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:30:35 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Be more straightforward"
PrinceDauntless ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:47:21 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I giggle every time
doyle871 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:23:53 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well they should have agreed to a safe word.
hadapurpura ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:45:19 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I took it the opposite way, as the "we need to talk" song. Like she's the one sending him mixed signals and he is the one turned off because he needs to know where they are first.
Akimuno ยท 73 points ยท Posted at 17:15:19 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Blurred Lines.
I know before some redditors didn't share my sentiment but I honestly think that song is fucking CREEPY.
RobinWolfe ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 17:59:19 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I always thought Blurred Lines was about "playing coy" or working to get someone in the mood.
It's awesome to get laid. It's even more awesome when one literally turns the suave on to get laid. It's super Alpha Male status to feel like you set the mood right.
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 18:18:47 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think that was how it was written, but it can certainly be interpreted as a date rape scenario.
RobinWolfe ยท 56 points ยท Posted at 18:25:17 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My father taught me that everyone hears the lyrics they want.
If you listen to Hotel California you'll either hear a narrative about addiction, a story about the Church of Satan, or a subtle narrative about going to California and being enticed to never leave.
[deleted] ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 18:27:10 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is just basic critical theory with anything remotely prone to metaphor, such as poetry
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 19:41:51 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ur face is basic critical theory
callsyourcatugly ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:34:03 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your face is a butt, buttface
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:37:57 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
well ur a stupid moron with an ugly face and a big butt, and ur butt smells and u like to kiss ur own butt
callsyourcatugly ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:59:07 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did you find Amanda?
Did you find Amanda Hugginkiss?
kn33 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:04:54 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or literally a song about a guy getting killed in a hotel in California by a staff entirely composed of crazy people all working together to murder their patrons
smookykins ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:26:41 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
... by an idiot.
Meapalien ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:36:35 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I edit old comments
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 18:40:36 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or because the line I know you want it is pretty prevalent as a justification for rapists.
Meapalien ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:44:28 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I edit old comments
lunchboxrox ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:17:02 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To each his/her own. I hate the super suave alpha male guy. It's like I'm suddenly dealing with a salesman, where the product is sex with this schmuck.
RobinWolfe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:33:07 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If that's the vibe you catch, he's doing it wrong.
The vibe to put off is "person to try things with" - like a white Knight without chivalry or pushy expectations
lunchboxrox ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:41:44 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I don't like that. I prefer casual over coyness.
diegokahlo ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 18:37:39 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
super alpha male status = rapist
RobinWolfe ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:43:23 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can't tell if Poe or SRS
smookykins ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:26:15 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
... because you're an idiot.
Akimuno ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:36:58 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
K
ameoba ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:49:18 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was pretty widely criticised for blatantly ignoring all modern concepts of consent. It's a modern Baby, It's Cold Outside.
hadapurpura ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:42:22 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Although I've read some sort of analysis that that song wasn't about rape either, but about the girl spouting excuses because she wants to sleep with the guy but she doesn't wanna come across as easy.
ameoba ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:53:36 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Never said it was about rape, just that it's about not respecting consent. A woman who says "no" when she really means "yes" because she expect the guy to keep pushing boundaries isn't showing the idea of consent any respect either.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:06:38 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It has been creepy for a long while though. Popular media always has been. Just look at all the various bibles, myths and fairy tales. Shit's fucked up as hell.
ReaderWalrus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:44:12 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This has got to be the only time I've ever seen someone use the term "SJW" in a positive way.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:15:48 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't even get me started on What Do You Mean by Bieber.
"When you nod your head yes, but you wanna say no. What do you mean?"
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:37:13 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mike snow:
Translation: I want to control you while I fuck several thousand other women.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:19:46 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also a large portion of the Nicholas Sparks movies.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:50:26 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Love songs were always creepy, nothing has changed.
maaghen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:34:11 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
song lyrics have been creepy for a long time just listen to the lyrics of "every breath you take" by the police,and im sure if if you look around there are many other great examples but that was the only one that popped into my head instantly
[deleted] ยท -18 points ยท Posted at 17:07:51 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Taylor Swifts current song is about girls stalking tall and hot bad boys to put a notch in their bedpost. "Hey you guys had the last century objectify us in pop culture, it is our turn!"
Remember the crowds on Ellen when Bieber was coming up? My wife said it kind of creeped her out how she was pimping out this underage boy.
ERA was never meant to be equality. It was meant to establish superiority.
Beat the shit out of your boyfriend and you have one mark on you from trying to defend himself? He will never own own a gun again as soon as the cops are called. VOWA made the pussy pass, into the law of the land. Thanks Hillary and Bill Clinton!
Adult male penis is a weapon. Hillary will make possession intent to do crimes against women and children. Your vagina likes little teen boys? Oh its just natural! Adult women fans of One Direction, etc. chime in at any time...
Teen girls smile and wave at me? I better run!
Illogical_Blox ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:03 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, because, as we all know, being arrested means you are instantly carted of to jail! No such thing as a trial, or evidence gathering, or being released after being arrested, or the fact that they will probably arrest her as well/later.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:42:54 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well if you are rich and not from a small town that has already passed judgement, sure. Plus no corruption in your jurisdiction would help too.
Vandechoz ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:33:12 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No arrest needed
Illogical_Blox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:32:57 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, look at that. It's true, no arrest needed... instead you need a final order of protection - in fact a specific type of order - which is considerably harder to get than them being arrested. So...
Vandechoz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:05:21 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except not; read closer. It varies by state, but even a temporary order can result in a person's guns being taken away. It just depends on what sort of judge you get.
Illogical_Blox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:13:57 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except you still need evidence of wrongdoing and that's only during the time in which you have a temporary order.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:47:11 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:39:48 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
rekt em'
Shut-the-fuck-up- ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:27:08 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There is a Beatles song from Rubber Soul that goes, " you better run for your life if you can little girl, hide if you can little girl, catch you with another man, that's the end...little girl". The song was banned in Canada I believe due to the lyrics. Man I love The Beatles.
EDarkratte ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:11:57 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why would calling someone a thousand times be considered sexual harassment instead of just harassment?
On a second note, just imagine if those calls were long distance...
vindapanda ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:18:00 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Calling someone that much is not sexual though... although obviously some form of harassment or whatever.
willyolio ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:14:46 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Just 'cause I said it, it don't mean that I meant it"
adele's pretty good with that pro-rape campaign.
mcstafford ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:35:47 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How is this funny?
Harper5000 ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 18:46:19 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
College campusesโฆ the new day care centers.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:04:15 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait... that's a great song? Wtf I thought it was just the current pop flavour.
WGiK ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 17:09:31 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Uhh, this song is about her talking to herself in the past. Its about finding yourself.
Why wouldnt they use the lyrics to blurred lines? That's a very obvious one.
cdizzle2 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:42:21 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't the "blurred lines is about rape" just a bunch of made up shit too?
Its pretty obvious that its about the secret sexual nature of a woman
that__one__guy ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 22:26:12 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No it's rapey
wahmifeels ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:44:22 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Even blurred lines isn't about sexual harassment though... it's about a girl who wants to sleep with him but the only thing holding her back is her boring ass boyfriend.
PrinceDauntless ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:42 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but I think that the idea of the song is to twist "I have a boyfriend", a clear rejection, into "I'm into you, I'm telling you I have a boyfriend to explain how miserable I am with him". It's bending the truth really badly.
Robin Thicke is so tired of these "blurred lines" because he's so fucking legally blind he can't see when a line is being clearly drawn. Saying "I know you want it", "it's in your nature", "just let me liberate you" are all designed to remove the girls personal agency. Can you imagine if you didn't want to kiss this girl at a bar and she just told you "just let me"?
wahmifeels ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:54:59 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, if you listen to the song, the blurred lines are referring to how they can't sleep together cause she had a boyfriend, but she's allowed to flirt and express interest otherwise.
PrinceDauntless ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:00 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just read the lyrics, the only indication he seems to be receiving is "the way you grab me". The rest of the lyrics are how Robin is so absolutely certain she wants his dick. Sounds a little projecty to me.
Also "you the hottest bitch in this place". What a winner.
wahmifeels ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:31:43 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's pretty easy to tell when a chick is into you. This will just be an agree to disagree situation. I think the girl in question is making it obvious she wants him, you think he's projecting. To me, it's not surprising that a woman in the club would be into a rich and famous pop music singer.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:41:08 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No it's rape. Every song is somehow about rape and is indoctrinating everyone to rape each other.
smookykins ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:27:46 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Only obvious if you're a complete idiot who just agrees with the morons who like to fetishize victimization.
Targetshopper4000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:52:50 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or you know, this one
kiwisdontbounce ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:11:50 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wouldn't this just be normal harassment?
ManualNarwhal ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:32:29 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Tricks are for whores, Michael. What I do are allusions."
TheNaughtyMonkey ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:43:17 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
LOL
Actually a little funny, but the original word was illusions.
ManualNarwhal ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 17:51:59 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At least you understood what I was alluding too.
TheNaughtyMonkey ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:13:13 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Excellent recovery!
deathsmaash ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:01:42 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Legendary
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:31:11 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Does this mean one cannot wave or say hi to the same pretty girl every day? If that is the case I will have to resort to stalking her now.
Yatta99 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:52:49 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"I don't want anybody else. When I think about you, I touch myself." - Divinyls
even great songs can normalize female masturbation
EssEyeOhFour ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:26:31 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My campus has signs of minority students ripping a sign in half, each one says something different. One has a Hmong student ripping the sign saying "White Supremacy". Another one has a gay guy going on about how he isn't your gay best friend.
smookykins ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:42:36 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
These morons are the product of Gen-X special snowflake parenting where everyone got a participation trophy.
Luffing ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:31:50 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
sexual? not really.
Hundred00 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:44:54 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Anything can sound ridiculous if take it out of context. Some people.
historyofthebee ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:50:29 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He hit me and it felt like a kiss, He hit me and I knew he loved me, If he didn't care for me, I could have never made him mad, But he hit me and I was glad
Aaronmcom ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:23:49 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure it counts as sexual if its my brother and that dick monkey isn't answering his phone when he asked if I want pizza. Fuck YES i want pizza. I want that god damn pizza. Answer your god damn phone!
R1MSH0T ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:56:14 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Calling isn't sexual harassment.
Groping: yes Calling: no
Must be from a liberal college
Rictor86 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:20:33 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's "current year", they could be putting those up at a community college in Bumfuck, Alabama.
platinumgulls ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:23:42 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
FYI this is 2016. You can block your calls, you can turn your phone off and other means to avoid people and send a clear message to leave you alone.
When I was in college, I didn't have these luxuries. In the early 2000's a lot of kids still had landlines with voicemail. Fuck all if you got some crazy bitch that would call you 50-60 times a day and fill your voicemail up with bizarre messages and threatening to "shank you" and "rape your pussy ass".
It was all fun and games until she started following you around town, and then showed up at your house at 3am trying to pick your front door lock. . . . but that's a story for another time.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:14:50 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Never giving up on desire:
Works = Romantic
Doesn't work = Creepy stalker
...humans, folks!
CaramelComplexion ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 17:20:05 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
99% of Adele's songs are fucking CRAZY. She's insane..
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:43:17 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
has she written one song that isnt about being a bitter spinster?
CatchThisDrift ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:34:29 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He Won't Go, My Same, Hometown Glory, Remedy, Sweetest Devotion...
I may have taken your question too seriously.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 22:00:35 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe if she quit smoking and lost some weight, she'd change her tack.
colobuff ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:25:53 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's just an ad for a new phone company offering *666 service
cowsaysshazoo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:30:04 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Could have used those calls for Sanders
nuxxor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:32:02 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aWhn0Hc8ps
kyndo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:12:42 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
What? Why? No. The answer is no.
Not one single person could have told him that?
EDIT: I'm sorry, I can't accept this is real. I feel like I'm going to switch off a particularly dark Christopher Guest film or something. Is he really talking about a 16 year old girl and then referring to others as the *fools who don't know what love is yet"?? I can't.
Uglydukling ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:48:31 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe they are sick and asked someone to keep checking up on them. Lots of different reason to call people alot. 1000x is a bit much . 50x is a day at the office
InterracialMartian ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:04:15 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
WTF is with that bobo font?
smookykins ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:37:14 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tackling the real issues.
Thecardinal74 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:18:57 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Calling someone is harassment, not sexual harassment
juiceboxzero ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:38:58 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are we seriously saying that calling someone frequently is sexual harassment?
Krystalkats ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:53:10 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Im all for educating people on abuse but these posters are quite the reach :/
astronoob ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:22:41 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except "Hello" by Adele is about calling her child while she's away recording/on tour.
Drunk_Klaus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:36:36 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"if it wasn't for date rape I'd never get laid" -sublime
even great songs can normalize rape
DinReddet ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:51:15 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At least it says "must have" instead of "must of", which is nice!
Hockeyfan_52 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:58:09 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Get out of your clothes or get out of my car."
-Toby Keith
Even great songs can normalize sexual harrassment
Dash_O_Cunt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:04:39 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
r/crappydesign the quotation marks go on the out side the phrase not on top of
horceface ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:31:19 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One way or another I'm gonna find ya, I'm gonna get ya get ya get ya...
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:01:31 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Harassment? Potentially.
Sexual harassment? No.
You'd think a sexual harassment awareness campaign would know the difference.
Lots42 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:51:34 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you take life advice from songs you are a dumbass.
alittle_extreme ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 16:23:20 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel so sorry for kids now. Especially boys. They don't stand a chance.
ZGiSH ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 17:04:10 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
but this is clearly Adele talking about how she was calling her significant other?
anooblol ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:23:32 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She is basically pissed at her ex for moving on. Blaming him for the way she feels. She literally says "I know I broke your heart. But at least I can say I'm trying." Or in simple terms. "Men are obligated to love me even though I rejected him, and made him feel like shit."
๐๏ธ Trollker ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:25:33 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The posters advertise the women's outreach program specifically.
[deleted] ยท -35 points ยท Posted at 17:09:49 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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crowneroyale ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 17:12:44 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was with you til you used "feminazi" completely seriously.
Duzula ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:20:26 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm down with it
[deleted] ยท -27 points ยท Posted at 17:14:18 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:32:51 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just as bad. "feminazi" was coined by Rush Limbaugh.
CireArodum ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:42:31 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I remember Bill O'Reilly using the term Social Justice Warrior before I ever saw it being used online.
[deleted] ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 17:45:41 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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CireArodum ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:58:18 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Okay. You're wrong. Feminazi is a word created for the specific purpose of demonizing a group of people that you disagree with. It's purposeful hyperbole used to taunt the other side and make people less likely to take them seriously. It's the same thing as pro-life people saying pro-choice people are pro-baby murder. It's an attempt to discredit people without having to actually address their opinions.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:05:44 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fine then, from now on we'll call them Femi-less-than-average-IQ-more-than-average-weight-censorship-happy-ists, happy now?
alittle_extreme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:20:16 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol, good one :) Perfect.
alittle_extreme ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:23:49 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Lol, gee that's so unique. Teabagger, etc, etc, etc anyone?
That's why so many people like Trump. His outrageous popularity is a reaction to things happening that are despicable to normal, healthy Americans. Things like the P-resident zer0 using the word teabagger. This filth didn't need to be brought to the WH, but now its there, it must be dealt with. That's why Trump is such a giant success.
Things promoted by feminazis, SJWs and the grand queen 0bama and her husband sasquatch.
Trump, thank goodness, doesn't need the job. So he can fearlessly feed your own feces right back down your throats and onto your own faces.
Actual males have needed someone to do this to you for some time now.
It's delightful for us normal and healthy people to see this happen!!
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:51:11 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bullshit generalizations thought up by people who are too intellectually lazy to see the world from a perspective other than their own. Nothing you said is true.
EDIT: Not one word. You're standing in a field of strawmen and accusing them of oppressing you.
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 18:03:17 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eh what?
I'm talking about the idiots who actually say this stupid shit, I'm not generalising all feminists based on the actions of a few cunts. feminist != feminazi. Feminazi = Far right authoritarian lunatic with delusions of "inequality" and "wage gaps" attempting to silence any and all criticism by labelling people as "misogynists". Same goes for MRA's that do shit like that.
Again, let me clarify because you appear to be inept at reading: I. AM. NOT. TALKING. ABOUT. ALL. FEMINISTS. JUST. THE. FUCKING. CRAZY. ONES.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:09:40 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This:
Is not real. It's a stereotype that does not reflect reality. Spreading it makes you an asshole. You might as well substitute the term "feminzai" with "uppity woman."
This:
Dismisses real problems by accusing the people that are talking about them of being "over-sensitive." It's a lazy tactic. Attack the person as being weak, while avoiding the issue they're talking about altogether.
You are wrong.
jimbojonesFA ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:40:50 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
There are actually a lot of attention seeking women who use "feminism" as an excuse for asking to be treated special or shitting on others, which is not what true feminism is meant for. And I'm phrasing that as gently as I can, if you go and see how many of these individuals behave on the Internet I feel that you would understand just how ridiculous and illogical they sound, they are not simply just "uppity women".
These women ruin the concept of what true feminism is about and they are responsible for most of the prevalent hate towards third wave feminism.
If you want examples check out /r/tumblrinaction or /r/fatlogic
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:16:50 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
TIL Gawker media does not exist
What, like men who take up 2 seats on a train, until, you know, someone asks to sit down?
Or like women CHOOSING different career paths, or CHOOSING to have children, and that somehow being men's fault?
Because I know REAL people, not just internet skeletons, that hold these ridiculous views. Of course they are being dismissed as being batshit crazy.
Try and name one real issue that's just been dismissed as being an "skeleton being overly sensitive" then.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:22:35 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dick pics, catcalling, male dominated fields, gender roles pressuring women into avoiding certain professions and hobbies, the non-existence of maternity leave, women being fired for being pregnant, shaming teen mothers, sexism in the video game community, downplaying the rape and death threats regularly sent to feminists, slut-shaming, the "friendzone", ect ect ect ect ect ect
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:34:21 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nope
Nope
Ahahahahaha, you're joking, right? There's NOTHING stopping women from becoming builders, or garbage collectors, or Nobel Laureates.
EVEN if this were true, which it isn't, I might add. The non-existence of maternity leave would be a good thing, if anything it would encourage employers to hire more women because they don't have to pay them for 6 fucking months because they fucked some guy whilst they were both blind drunk. Which is why I'm glad that some tech companies are willing to pay for women to get their eggs frozen, so they can have children at a later date instead of ruining their career.
Well, as an employer, I'd be fucked off if I had to pay someone for doing nothing.
Don't play Xbox with 14 year old children, problem solved. In all seriousness, the extent of "sexism" in video games is tiny when you consider that people are arseholes anyway in games, regardless of gender. Men are abused just as much as women, and considering that sexism is discrimination, and they're treated just as badly as one another, there's no discrimination.
Oh, this one is easy; the threats have no credibility, no proof of origin and are obviously not real threats, and have no chance of happening, next point, please.
I've never heard of this being described as skeletons gone mad, considering that most people agree that it's wrong.
What about it?
I do hope this cleared up any misconceptions you may have had.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:48:45 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well at least now I know what kind of person I'm talking to. Ignorant and naive on all fronts. I'm all out of troll food, sorry.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:51:28 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
TIL responding to every single one of your points makes me ignorant and naive.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:55:42 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, it was the responses themselves.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:57:08 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you going to respond to any of the points, then? Because, what you're doing,
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:07:07 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, here you go:
The issue you're talking about is imaginary. The scary straw feminists are not under your bed, and all the things you think they are making up are just things you don't understand.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:14:48 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
No, I asked you to respond to the points I made in response to your points, not give some shitty excuse. Either respond to the points I made or fuck off.
You quote "Salon" as sources, incriminate people because they want to eat meat and dismiss anything that contradicts your opinion, even when you believe something that's false, you make personal choice sound like a bad thing and whenever anyone comes up with evidence you just brush it off and claim oppression or misogyny, you are the epitome of /r/tumblrinaction
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:25:22 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And you advocate genocide. And you post on TiA. If you're going to accuse someone of posting in a biased echo-chamber you might want to make sure you're not doing the same thing.
What a weird thing to say. Don't you mean "when you believe something I think is false?"
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:32:22 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I did? When? Because if you'd read it in context I was referring to using nukes to wipe out the human scum that is ISIS, or do you somehow think that ISIS is good.
No, I actually responded to what you were saying, instead of dismissing it, unless it had no grounds.
A subreddit dedicated to mocking idiots who are overly sensitive, or think they are a dragon in a human's body, yeah I can see why that'd piss you off. Also, I don't post there, I could never muster the strength to look at anything that isn't porn on Tumblr., it's too grading to read the skeleton nonsense that is a large part of the community there, I just let people filter the truly amazingly stupid stuff so I can get my laugh of the day.
Are you going to actually respond to my points?
Here, I'll repost them so you don't have to strain yourself by clicking the "view full context" button.
Nope
Nope
Ahahahahaha, you're joking, right? There's NOTHING stopping women from becoming builders, or garbage collectors, or Nobel Laureates.
EVEN if this were true, which it isn't, I might add. The non-existence of maternity leave would be a good thing, if anything it would encourage employers to hire more women because they don't have to pay them for 6 fucking months because they fucked some guy whilst they were both blind drunk. Which is why I'm glad that some tech companies are willing to pay for women to get their eggs frozen, so they can have children at a later date instead of ruining their career.
Well, as an employer, I'd be fucked off if I had to pay someone for doing nothing.
Don't play Xbox with 14 year old children, problem solved. In all seriousness, the extent of "sexism" in video games is tiny when you consider that people are arseholes anyway in games, regardless of gender. Men are abused just as much as women, and considering that sexism is discrimination, and they're treated just as badly as one another, there's no discrimination.
Oh, this one is easy; the threats have no credibility, no proof of origin and are obviously not real threats, and have no chance of happening, next point, please.
I've never heard of this being described as skeletons gone mad, considering that most people agree that it's wrong.
What about it?
I do hope this cleared up any misconceptions you may have had.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:40:48 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've done that. Nothing you've said is based in reality. You're opposed to an imaginary kind of feminism that is created by the echo-chambers you get your information from. I've literally never been on tumblr. Everything you believe about feminism is based on bad information, and here's the thing, there's no point in presenting the other side of the argument with people like you, because you've already proven that facts aren't important to you.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:42:47 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, you haven't, you dismissed them because they contradicted your personal views.
Respond to these points below, explaining why they are wrong, or fuck off.
Ahahahahaha, you're joking, right? There's NOTHING stopping women from becoming builders, or garbage collectors, or Nobel Laureates.
EVEN if this were true, which it isn't, I might add. The non-existence of maternity leave would be a good thing, if anything it would encourage employers to hire more women because they don't have to pay them for 6 fucking months because they fucked some guy whilst they were both blind drunk. Which is why I'm glad that some tech companies are willing to pay for women to get their eggs frozen, so they can have children at a later date instead of ruining their career.
Well, as an employer, I'd be fucked off if I had to pay someone for doing nothing.
Don't play Xbox with 14 year old children, problem solved. In all seriousness, the extent of "sexism" in video games is tiny when you consider that people are arseholes anyway in games, regardless of gender. Men are abused just as much as women, and considering that sexism is discrimination, and they're treated just as badly as one another, there's no discrimination.
Oh, this one is easy; the threats have no credibility, no proof of origin and are obviously not real threats, and have no chance of happening, next point, please.
I've never heard of this being described as skeletons gone mad, considering that most people agree that it's wrong.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:49:06 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
You really don't see anything wrong with this do you?
Is that's why paid maternity leave is the norm in every other western country?
Literally the only way you can think this is true is if you haven't actually listened to the stories of how women are treated online, and seen the evidence they provide. That doesn't really surprise me. Like I said, you're ignorant. You lack information. You have a tiny, narrow worldview.
Unbelievable. There is mountains of evidence that show these threats are being sent by real people with unclear intentions, and you just wave them away. How can you accuse me of dismissing evidence because it disagrees with my worldview with a straight face? Do you really have that little self-awareness?
I've finished with this. To believe all these things you believe you would have to lack a lot of basic empathy. Empathy is the thing that makes a good person good. If a person lacks it, they make the world around them a little shittier just by being there.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:57:16 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was an example, you are fully aware that my point was that a woman chooses whether to have kids or not, you aren't responding to the actual point.
Not sure what you're getting at here, but my point is that employers don't want to pay for maternity leave, so they won't hire women because they are a potential massive drain on resources, no maternity leave, more women hired.
And you'd know the reality if you played games instead of reading propaganda all of the time, A: At least give a source, B: Men are treated just as bad, you'd know this if you played, I dunno, any multiplayer game with a VOIP system.
No, they have no credibility, if they did then the police would intervene, but as they don't, the police do not. The police specifically told one feminist that these threats were meaningless, but because that violated her victim complex, she still decided to cancel her lecture.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:56:51 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:01:31 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you actually have a specific point or instance where this is actively happening? Rather than just saying "gender inequality is bad, mkay"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:17:54 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:19:30 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Of course gender discrimination is bad, it's just the "examples" people give of it are 99% of the time not discrimination.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:21:30 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't this an ad hominem?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:26:06 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. Rush Limbaugh is a garbage person.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:28:31 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh. Ok.
alittle_extreme ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:25:27 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol. 'I Need Some Muscle'
Sound familair? Nazi tactics.
Of course, that quote is actually real, from an actual SJW feminazi.
I believe she committed a felony. If she wasn't wasn't a unionized government worker, she would be fired in one second, and that would be too slow.
SJW feminazis thrive, or should I say fester, in the unionized government employee racket.
[deleted] ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 17:33:38 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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RedheadsAreNinjas ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:44:39 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because feminazi is an offensive term that degrades feminism by likening the progress the movement has made with the nazis. Literally in the word.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:47:41 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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RedheadsAreNinjas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:23:18 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The thing is that it isn't relevant because it inspires hate and breeds unnecessary sexism into an already terribly misunderstood system
RedheadsAreNinjas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:25:07 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also merit isn't any part of whatever terrible argument you're conjuring up by throwing out powerful familial achievements. It's simply about not using a less than kind word when trying to have a civil discussion.
alittle_extreme ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:49:35 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People forget that downvoting is not disagreeing. Oh well. A bit of a flaw in system, and pretty hard to fix I bet. Reactions, and all that.
alittle_extreme ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:46:58 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I'm sorry you don't like words with which you don't agree due to your lack of perspective, common sense or intelligence.
Feminazi refers to moronic idiots like that wench at Mizzou, and all the mindless babies that agree with her.
Genuine femisnism don't whine. Real feminists never mention the word, because its whiney.
My family is full of powerful, top grade executives who are female. It's great. And I've never heard one whine about anything like feminism or glass ceiling or any of that made-up bullshit.
They earned their Masters and PhD degrees. Through merit. They earned their stellar careers and families. Myself, I am not quite so fortunate for various reasons (which are my own responsibility), but there is a word you should learn - "Merit" - look it up.
A genuine feminist could only be a humanist, and as such, they simply do. Like all good people.
RedheadsAreNinjas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:21:18 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Genuine femisnism don't whine.
Like you're doing right now? Also, spell check next time.
alittle_extreme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:23:23 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Lol, yes, cute. Now do go check the word "Merit" Not too complicated a meaning.
alittle_extreme ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:43:59 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You actually think someone is trying to browbeat females into submission using SJW Posters?
I don't think so!
OfOrcaWhales ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 17:26:25 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Songs about sexual harassment:
A poster:
Romymopen ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 17:51:13 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Art is art. Cop Killer wasn't an endorsement of killing cops. It's a fantasy of its writer. I'll let Ice-T explain it himself:
Isolating portions of art to promote your agenda, real or imagined, is an assault on us all.
thebeginningistheend ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:19:31 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Still, Ice-T's lucky he's famous or the police would have beat the shit out of him for making that song.
jelde ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:45:14 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Best reply in this shit hole thread
Mistaken-Identities ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:30:04 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tr...triple negative...
LvS ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 18:12:46 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's important that everyone is aware of it though.
And I don't think many people are aware that lots of songs have very rapey vibes and the stories told in them should stay far away from reality.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:46:38 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're romanticizing... romance. People have done that with every subject under the sun.
LvS ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:06:35 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. She can leave him, but he's gonna hunt her down and prey on her.
Are your relationships that romantic, too?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:44:12 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What song is that? I am sure some songs are about stalking, but we aren't talking about those. We are talking about the ones that seem like stalking depending on your perspective.
LvS ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:49:32 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The one from http://imgur.com/rQT66hO: Maroon 5 - Animals
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:12:07 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That song is about animalistic lust. It's like that Blurred Lines song. Sure, you can easily interpret it as a song about a stalker if you so chose, but it is a matter of perspective. You could also interpret it as a cannibal stalking his prey if you wanted, that's even worse than stalker rape.
LvS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:25:02 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a matter of perspective?
You need to get really creative to not interpret that as rape with the "I'm gonna fuck you like an animal tonight" chorus.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:38:46 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I interpreted it as "we will fuck like animals" rather than "I will fuck you like an animal."
"No girl you can't deny the beat inside" seems to imply that he is trying to bring out her animal instinct.
I can see why you see it that way, but I never did. Matter of perspective.
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 17:37:18 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
http://i.imgur.com/P5U6ups.jpg
alittle_extreme ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:18:00 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, I finally figured out what you're saying. Not a bad point. Still, young boys are being destroyed at every turn, in the West these days.
smookykins ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:30:41 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Found the autist PC SJW Ultralib Leftist "Progressive".
shadovvvvalker ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:55:04 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If I'm chatting up a woman and she adamantly and proudly proclaims she's a feminist I lose all interest in them.
Not because women's rights is a bad thing. I just don't feel safe. Theres far too many stories of false rape accusations and abuse accusations that as a man I feel like I'm walking on a minefield. I especially don't want to walk this field with someone that has a warped understanding of gender politics.
Much like religion I find the reasonable sjw types are the ones that keep it to an unsolicited level. I'm fine with activism or celebration in public but if we're casually chatting and you hammer the conversation into a direction to impose your crazy on me that's different.
The Adele example isn't sexual abuse but the rest of this seems reasonable, low key and worth talking about.
austinmonster ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 16:56:44 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's kinda like being a white male of german decent in the south. Literally everything bad that's ever happened is your fault. You get told this constantly.
CWSwapigans ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:29:18 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've noticed there are a lot of sensitive white people who hear "it's your fault" even when no one is saying it.
If it helps, someone pointing out the existence of institutional racism or the inequalities of our society does not constitute blaming you for it.
DoxBox ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 17:36:25 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Saying a class of people is privileged isn't too personal.
Telling a bunch of actual people that they're privileged (when they are at best working poor for their whole life) is definitely too personal and pisses people off.
And you're not helping the case by doing shit like calling people who have a problem with this "sensitive white people".
Yes. There legitimately are people who are saying that everything is the fault of white men. Stop denying that such a thing happens. It does.
CWSwapigans ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 17:41:06 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I mean, this post is pretty much what I'm talking about. I didn't say that no one blames everything on white men; I said some people hear it when no one is saying it. I didn't call anyone privileged either.
Anyway, I would think the working poor, of all people, would understand privilege. You can be privileged in some ways (like, say, being white) without being privileged in every way (like, say, having a wealthy family).
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:31:37 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Would be better if they called it black handicaps.
Privileges are something given to a few, not the majority.
And since Asians, Indians, Latinos and Natives faces different handicaps it would probably be more accurate. Asians are from from being as disadvantaged as black or natives.
deakka ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:59:48 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It would make more sense, but my gut tells me the outrage mongers would not want to "punch down" on those who feel disenfranchised. Also privelege is a weasel word that can be adjusted on the fly to fit any argument.
When in fact most people don't see color, sex, race, or sexual preference. We see people as kind, good, asshole, jerk etc, based on the content of their character and not their skin color/genitals/what gets them off.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:10:01 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Based on google definition privilege is not a word that can be adjusted on the fly, people do that, but those people are also dumb.
Privilege
"a special right, advantage, or immunity granted or available only to a particular person or group of people."
Special
"better, greater, or otherwise different from what is usual."
Usual
"habitually or typically occurring or done; customary." it's synonym with normal and regular
It isn't a privilege if 70% of people have it since it is not better, greater, or otherwise different from what is usual since the "privilege" is the usual thing.
On the other hand
Handicap
"a circumstance that makes progress or success difficult." That's spot on.
DoxBox ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 18:02:23 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's a little hair-splitty. The intent was clear - you're saying that white men are overreacting when we say we're tired of being blamed for everything.
How's about this: white men are being shoved out of left-wing movements. Things like not being able to speak until after certain others because of "privilege". White men are being specifically excluded from some university events. Before you chime in with "But that's only a few cases" or "Not all white men are being excluded or blamed", duh, obviously. But the source of the problem is labelling people with stupidly negative terms like "privileged."
Edit: remember Occupy Wall Street? It got caught up in all this "privilege" nonsense before it turned into drum circles and a complete loss of focus.
Stop using the term. Just make up something else that doesn't have such a stupidly negative connotation. That'd be like me making up a new definition for the word "cunt" and calling everyone I meet a cunt. This ain't Australia, I'd probably get my teeth kicked in. Some people have advantages in life, some people don't, but blanketly calling all white people privileged is 100% every time going to piss people off, and rightfully so.
CWSwapigans ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 18:08:57 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
There's nothing negative about the term privilege.
No one is saying all white people are, overall, privileged. They're saying that being white is a privilege. A poor white person has a multitude of advantages in America that a poor black person doesn't have. Pointing this out is not attacking the white person, it's not saying something negative about the white person, and it's certainly not blaming the white person.
DoxBox ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:10:19 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well there's your problem, because in my neck of the woods there is.
doyle871 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 19:35:13 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a white guy who grew up working class, single parent family who struggled for everything, you telling me I'm privileged is fucking insulting.
CWSwapigans ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 19:47:54 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There are obvious advantages to being a white guy who grew up working class, in a single parent family as opposed to being a black guy who grew up working class, in a single parent family.
"White privilege" doesn't mean life is all rosy if you're white. It means that you have advantages from being white that someone non-white in your same life circumstances wouldn't have.
deadfallpro ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:56:22 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What are all of these amazing privileges you keep mentioning. You have used that word several times without a single substantiation. What are all of these wonderful advantages?
CWSwapigans ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 20:02:25 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I go to a job interview, the person interviewing me is likely to be my race.
When I go to the doctor, the doctor is likely to be my race.
I'm 4 times less likely to be arrested for smoking weed than a black person, despite being no more likely to use weed.
The list is endless. If you can't see advantages to being white in America then you're intentionally not seeing them. Do you not know anyone who is racist against non-white people? I find that really hard to believe. Usually the people who can't see the advantages of being white in America just so happen to know a lot of racists.
deadfallpro ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:21:16 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My doctor and my boss are both different races than I, so I don't know what that's supposed to mean. I'm still trying to figure out how having a boss or Doctor that is the same race is an advantage.
I love the not very well veiled, "if you don't see it, you're racist."
Did you ever apply for college or grants only to be told that you don't qualify, based only on being white? Having busted ass and having better entrance scores, but still being passed over so some liberal can sleep better at night?
CWSwapigans ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 20:33:11 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
The advantage is shared culture, which often correlates with race. I've watched good candidates at companies I've been with fail to get a job because they don't seem like a great "personality fit" (meaning they are from a different culture and, coincidentally, are of a different race).
Let me ask you this. Do you think there are a lot of people in the US who have racist sentiments towards non-white people?
Pirate_Crippler ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:59:06 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck you and your Kafkatrapping bullshit.
You're particularly doing Model C as stated in the article.
I hope deadfallpro took the higher route and refuses to engage at this point as there is no point to continuing this petty argument.
deadfallpro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:52:45 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I saw it circling the drain a while ago. I have no need to waste any more of my COD time on him.
CWSwapigans ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:13:40 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I think it's immensely interesting that some people take an acknowledgment of privilege as an accusation of guilt. I genuinely can't understand it. My natural inclination is to chalk it up to defensiveness, but I don't know why it would even put someone on the defensive.
I haven't put any blame or guilt on anyone.
Edit - This is my post that kicked off this whole subthread. Guess we've gone full circle. I guess in the future I can refer to your link if people don't believe that this happens.
Bhruic ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:33:24 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually quite a number of people are saying that. You might not be, but you really need to stop denying that such people exist - they do.
Runningflame570 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:31:54 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd be willing to say that overall white people are privileged if by privileged we mean advantaged. White families on average have greater wealth than most other racial demographics, especially if you exclude white Hispanics from that.
The problem is that a person isn't an average, so telling someone that they're privileged only based on the determination that they're white is kind of bullshit.
Bhruic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:56:01 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a type of stereotyping that people frown on when it goes towards any other skin colour. If you look at statistics, black people tend to make a larger proportion of the prison population. So should we conclude that black people are criminals? Of course not.
As you say, individual people aren't averages, so it's stupid to make conclusions about them based on it. If people want to stop negative stereotyping, they shouldn't then be trying to apply it to a different group.
doyle871 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:34:23 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You say people say no ones blames white men for everything then make this statement.
CWSwapigans ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 19:44:49 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm being 10,000% genuine when I say that I have no idea how you're construing that sentence as placing blame. How is it placing blame?
Romymopen ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:54:42 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If it's not the white man's fault, why is he paying for it with negative portrayals, on many levels, with no outcry?
Example: Why can only white men be burglars in home alarm commercials?
Deluxe754 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:49:34 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't condone it at all but I think that's more marketing. People wouldn't be very threatened about a while woman breaking and entering. They are trying to sell alarms and they want people scared. Still wrong though
natalia___ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:24:44 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lmao shut up
smookykins ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:31:43 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
... which hasn't existed in decades...
CWSwapigans ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:01:42 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Black people in America have higher rates of poverty, higher rates of crime, worse education outcomes, etc.
There are two explanations for why this is:
1) Black people are genetically predisposed to being poor, committing crimes, struggling in education, etc. This is textbook racism, it's in the definition.
2) Black people are suffering from society-level ill-effects of discrimination now and/or in the past. This is textbook institutional racism. Yet again, it's in the definition.
austinmonster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:38:23 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, when you literally grow up having all your teachers tell you "you are responsible for this" it's kinda hard to view it any other way. Though it's good to hear someone say what you are saying.
doyle871 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:32:59 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's because of the internet and social media.
There has always been a "SJW's" for want of a better term but they were limited to certain areas. You might see a documentary about it, there might be some political thing going on or a lesson at school but then you went home hung out with friends etc and never heard much.
Now you watch a game review Social Politics, a film review Social Politics, go on Twitter, Facebook etc Social Politics. While there probably isn't any more people preaching than before it's just everywhere you turn your head now and no one likes being lectured so you'll end up with a push back.
SnuggleBunni69 ยท -23 points ยท Posted at 17:10:22 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, those white males really got it hard these days.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:46:59 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Glad you agree.
austinmonster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:38:39 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
your totally helping!
that__one__guy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:23:35 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know right? They only have like 99% of the power in society instead 100% like the good ole days.
smookykins ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:32:50 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're an idiot.
I'd love to enumerate why, but that would take too long, so I'll just go with the fact that you're exaggerated statement isn't even close to being true when it isn't exaggerated.
that__one__guy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:56:43 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What are you even trying to say?
[deleted] ยท -17 points ยท Posted at 17:07:41 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Illogical_Blox ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:25:18 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus, try and get out. I probably look creepy half the time, and talking to a girl on the streets is usually an enjoyable interaction. The worst, absolute worst? They needed to hurry and were slightly rude because of it.
Get out of the basement.
EDIT: BTW the beta and alpha relationship in nature has been disproven.
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 17:49:47 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeano. Packs of animals ABSOLUTELY have leaders, cattle herds will have the alpha bull who gets the most cows, with betas who get the ones he doesn't want. Wolves have an alpha male, who leads the pack in hunting etc. Do you have any source on that or are you talking out of your arse/reposting from the worst part of Tumblr.
Cyanoblamin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:56:08 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is your argument that human social interaction is modeled on cattle herds or wolves?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:58:46 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did you even read the fucking comment I just posted, I was just debunking one of the stupid parts of his comment, I made no inference about humans.
Cyanoblamin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:13:34 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I read it and then I extrapolated the information back into the original discussion about human social interaction. Sorry if I interrupted your zoology discussion but in terms of humans, that alpha and beta bullshit is just that: bullshit.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:18:23 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then TIL we live in anarchy with no government. No politicians and no law enforcers. Or laws.
Illogical_Blox ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:58:46 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry, I was slightly wrong. Rather, it has been disproved in wolf packs.
However, it is of limited use elsewhere. In many social animals, there is an alpha male and female, and in a large number of others the alpha is a position that is easily usurped.
In addition, the beta male is actually the second in command for the alpha, and is in a very high position in the hierarchy.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:12:45 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That specifically applies to Gray wolves, and reading further I discovered that there is still an alpha, but only because these packs are actually families, with the father in charge of the pups until they leave after a few years to start their own pack.
Illogical_Blox ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:18:07 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So in other words, the father is the one who raises the cubs? Sounds like someone you'd call beta.
EDIT: Sorry, I thought you were the original guy. Interesting. Still, the idea of an alpha as applied by Red Pillers and other idiots is a flawed idea of nature and a ridiculous thing to try and apply to humans.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:20:35 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, a beta is someone or something that just takes shit from other people/things and doesn't stand up for themselves, they can be men, women, wolfs, chimpanzees, I don't care, if you let people push you around for no reason, then grow a backbone and stand up for yourself.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:19:53 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Illogical_Blox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:39:18 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking nonsense, buddy. What distinction is there between "alpha" and "beta"? What criteria is there? Is it possible to be both? In addition, that reduction of humans, especially men, to two types is sexist, absurd and ignores science.
Yeah, I'm English too (unfortunately, it'll mean I live near you).
Yeah, I've heard of none. What have I heard of? Women across the world being raped and ignored, including friends of mine. The highest possible number of false rape accusations accepted in academia is 10%. This includes rape accusations that are actually against the wrong guy, and the woman was actually raped.
Also, fucking logical result? That's not logical. That's your opinion, when the logical result would be equality of the sexes, looking at basically every definition of feminism since the word was invented.
silent_xfer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:58:42 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone I've ever met who believed this was either ugly as Fuck or socially retarded.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:02:52 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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silent_xfer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:55:12 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It may have been obvious to you. Perhaps if others couldn't see it you should consider it wasn't clear and you sounded like a sperglord.
Illogical_Blox ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:20:16 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm waiting to see if Reddit will support this, because it's talking about a woman calling a guy, or hate it because le PC students.
dnekuen ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:09:18 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's in /r/funny and upvoted, so no they won't support it.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:10:03 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Reddit is more than one person. You're Reddit as well.
Deluxe754 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:51:59 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but the posters are specially about a woman's crisis center. So I assume it's directed at women.
doyle871 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:28:16 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't listened to the song but someone else said it's actually about her talking to her past self or something. So neither would be right.
dinosaursandsluts ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:29:10 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Boomer!
Uglydukling ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:37:10 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We can agree to disagree. Its abouf as good a campaign as a polar bear eating a kittycat for a eat meat commercial
EuropeanLady ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:44:15 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Calling someone repeatedly isn't sexual harassment. It's just harassment.
cbyrnesx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:05:16 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh for fuck's sake.
ACanadianPenguin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:11:05 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Oh can't you seeeee, you belong with meeeee"
-Taylor Swift
Even great songs can normalize being taken hostage
avirusa ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:30:11 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
'Hello from the other side'
When songs normalize paranormal hauntings.
Rictor86 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:23:28 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, that dude moved continents to escape, but once you put your dick in crazy, that bitch will hunt you down.
DaddysWetPeen ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:48:19 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Brought to you by, "The Foundation Against Creativity and Free Speech."
Hypnoboy ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:54:26 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So happy I'm not in college now. The shit we did that we thought was pretty tame in the 90's would get us kicked out of school today.
Kakarot_faps ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:11:10 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was just in college and we didn't get kicked out for shit. Even my brothers frat used the n word around black people all the time and hazed. Don't let these guys trick you.
QuickStopRandal ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:02:11 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus.
When are women going to figure out that most men are actually NOT rapists and their "sexual harassment" is just them not knowing how to get a girlfriend and taking a shitty best guess.
All of this shit is much more innocent than you realize.
It's really starting to get offensive that women just go around saying everything men do is basically rape and oppression. Fuck off, cunts.
smookykins ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:49:33 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Females have proven that they can't mature and never become adults.
Rictor86 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:25:04 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That appears to be the main goal of feminism, to make sure women can't be held legally/financially responsible for any choices they make.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:38:19 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Littlemeggie ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:12:38 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Every step you take, every move you make, I'll be watching you - Sting
Sturgeon_Genital ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:34:14 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That was clearly meant to be a song about a stalker though. Same with Run For Your Life.
goddammitgary ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:18:23 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
These people have obviously not listened to death metal:
"Tearing at her flesh to know what is behind her skin. Her legs are open wide to ram my dick in. Smash her down, this bitch has gotta go, I cannot bear to let her live. Then she begs, so I break her fucking neck"
-Ingested (Skinned and Fucked)
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:39:17 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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goddammitgary ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:08:57 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a slam band and that's what every slam band is. You a purist?
Sturgeon_Genital ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:30:29 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, I'm guessing you can't understand the lyrics anyway.
goddammitgary ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:00:27 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
hahahahaha. k. We have come to this argument?
Sturgeon_Genital ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:04:05 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So I just listened to the song. How is what I said inaccurate? I'm not trying to start an argument. Metal "lyrics" don't matter when the guy isn't actually pronouncing the words.
adaam_93 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:09:41 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I don't see the humor here. They might be exaggerating about the harassment, but I don't see why that's funny.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:52:52 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's not fucking funny that's terrible
Ignoranceisblisssss ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:11:28 on February 1, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shoutout to OP for stealing my OC.
I'm an intern at the office that this campaign comes from & I worked on this project.
Thank you Reddit for giving our office an interesting Monday morning & lots of laughs to start the week!
http://imgur.com/P31FiWm
๐๏ธ Trollker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:00:04 on February 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The moment I saw this nonsense in my napkin holder, I knew I could cash in. Even great songs can normalize ignorance.
mikegus15 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:44:11 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is considered sexual harassment now? I understand literally calling someone a thousand times is harassment but it's now classified as sexual harassment? What is this world we live in today?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:33:04 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can't even tell anymore, is this satire against ridiculous feminists or is this someone's legit attempt to make a point about harassment?
smookykins ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:29:12 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Feminists are their own satire.
Europe_is_full_GTFO ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:27 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Western feminism jumped the shark some time in the early 80's.
smookykins ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:50:07 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
PCU was a great movie. Ellen was in it while she was still a diminutive man.
lagspike ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:33:53 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
im convinced SJWs have a think tank somewhere that figures out new, stupid ways to be offended at everything.
oh wait, it exists: you know it as "tumblr".
smookykins ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:48:42 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also, "college".
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:41:30 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking SJWs.....
They can only see the world through the eyes of the paranoid and emotional disturbed.
rkspapsciss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:21:36 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like all the funny bunny signs
Barseps ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:18:18 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
First time I heard this type of song was back in 1985.
Couldn't find the lyrics anywhere :-(
paceyboy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:22:08 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Down by the river from neil young or hey Joe by jimi hendrix comes to mind here.
cattaco3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:32:32 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Boomer Sooner. Saw the Sam Smith one the other day and it didn't really make sense to me. The Adele one is better.
Reapercore ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:38:16 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Involuntarily pulpifying facial regions Suffer, and then you die Torture, pulverized At one with my sixth sense, I feel free To kill as I please, no one can stop me Created to kill, the carnage continues
Am I doing it right?
rush22 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:42:42 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I CAN'T STOP KILLING
B1GTOBACC0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:43:29 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"If I was invisible, then I could just watch you in your room."
fremenchips ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:49:17 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxB-ZePpS7E
BrishenJ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:50:33 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Am I the only one whos eyes hurt of the font?
ParadiseSold ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:52:06 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Good
mrmonopoly25 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:09:20 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Isnt the song about herself phoning her older self. Didnt no you can sexually harass yourself.
SilkySmoothNuts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:11:30 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I go to OU as well. I cringed hard the first time I saw them. There are at least 4 or 5 more song quotes.
EDarkratte ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:13:11 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"If I was invisible, I would watch you in your room." Invisible, Clay Aiken.
hiro111 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:17:42 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Adele is "great". OK.
johnthesavage2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:19:14 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
WOOOOOO Boomer Sooner baby! I see those signs all over the place.
BitGladius ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:25:21 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not like we're being reactionary... They might as well put up "don't be SAE"
doyle871 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:26:43 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm getting old. What happened to the time when people understood a joke is just a joke and a song is just a song and no one took either seriously or needed to be read an essay to explain that neither are meant in a serious way before listening to them?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:28:09 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Baby this ain't love, it's clear to see. But, darlin, stay with me"
Basically every popular song is normalizing unhealthy sexual/romantic behavior.
joan_wilder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:28:51 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We're they posted by those #NotAllMen folks?
smookykins ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:39:01 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, the #KillAllMen folks. You know: female college students who aren't mature enough to tie their own shoes yet are allowed to dictate the actions of the campus administrators through undeserved shame tactics.
Professor226 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:37:22 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Adele is a predator.
Wildcat7878 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:43:04 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Anybody remember that Deana Carter song from the 90's; Strawberry Wine? Totally a song about a college dude getting a seventeen year old girl drunk on cheap wine and banging her next to a river.
atypicalgamergirl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:56:52 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why not the lyrics to 'Diane'?
Hey little girl wanna go for a ride? There's room and my wagon is parked right outside We can cruise down Robert Street all night long But I think I'll just rape you and kill you instead.
CS2603isHard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:00:17 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Boomer Sooner.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:02:59 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is some bad typography. It almost like I'm seeing double.
hemeshehe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:04:46 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dirty HeadsโBurials
http://youtu.be/A2rbgKpPiYc
P.S. I've never posted a link before, so I probably did it wrong.
dachloe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:07:01 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What a horrible way to ruin someones song.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:09:59 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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ludabot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:10:01 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hawaii to D.C. it's plenty women to see, so if
Yo ass don't show up it's more women for me, Heyy
professor_doom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:10:35 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/fellowkids
iamsofired ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:10:56 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Some songs arent as subtle as the OP example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-BoqE0lY5s
re_dditt_er ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:19:15 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except the song was about reflection. The person she was calling was herself.
UberSquidd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:19:33 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
(ยด๏ฝฅฯ๏ฝฅ`)
Jesse0016 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:33:12 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't say great song...
Mariling ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:53:26 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"So I fucked your bitch you fat motherfucker" ~Tupac Shakur
smookykins ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:44:15 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
First off, fuck your bitch and the clique you claim.
deWaalflower ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:53:34 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bitches ain't nothing but tricks and hoes. Adele
Masstch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:03:36 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A smash hit love song from the sixties read like a textbook list of sociopathic behavior. I won't post all the lyrics here but look up "Johnny Angel". The girl sings of her vast love of the guy who doesn't acknowledge her, she shuns multiple suitors as she'd "rather wait and concentrate" on JA. She lives and dreams of his recognition and concludes with "how I love him and I pray that someday he'll love me; and together we will see how lovely Heaven will be...." I think it sound like a plan for a murder-suicide.
smookykins ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:45:30 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How I love him.
apollodynamo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:05:08 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They were nice enough to show that women can perpetrate sexual harassment, at least.
Romans10seventeen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:42:29 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Doc Walker - I'm Gonna Make You Love Me
inspectorcatchit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:58:13 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can't help but sing those lyrics in my head. I reckon a lot of people would be doing that as well. Great advertising for Adele!
JCShroyer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:36:46 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"I don't wanna know who's suckin' my dick today!"
Glory Hole Steel Panther
anymphony ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:40:13 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Comments must reach 1000
JerryAllman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:42:49 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Using that term pretty loosely.
i_am_falkor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:45:53 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Aw skeet skeet mother fucker aw skeet skeet God damn
witchyV ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:48:49 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Private eyes, they're watching you. They see your every move.
Part-PAR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:55:27 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I imagine it's a scary time to be socially inept.
Appl3P13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:01:42 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
BOOMER SOONER. I also saw one on campus with maroon 5 lyrics.
DarkRubberDucky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:03:01 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just figure she's a former addict and is on that "make amends" step of the program. Dude is totally not helping her by not letting her apologize for her past actions.
justazombie69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:08:05 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I also attend the University of Oklahoma. I have mixed feeling about these signs. Im 100% supportive of raising the awareness of sexual harassment but I dont agree with how they are doing it
-iamverysmart- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:29:29 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I want it all, no, nothing else
Can't keep my hands to myself
Give me your all and nothing else
Can't keep my hands to myself
- Selena Gomez
CivEZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:47:12 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
TRIGGERED
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:55:35 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think every song sung by Sting would be more appropriate.
1IIII1III1I1II ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:03:23 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"great" song
Shananiganman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:15:10 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/mildlyfrustrating
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:16:19 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
*sigh
chewyjosh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:33:23 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can run, you can hide, but you can't escape, my love
-Enrique Igleasias
Spiffinz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:45:19 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You tore it down right?
Coolbreezy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:09:57 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol@ the fact it's a woman who called a thousand times.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:25:59 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Harassment sure. How is that sexual?
Nartana ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:51:10 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, it's my school.
xXNyanCatXx1234qwert ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:48:16 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought wxmxn couldn't harass sexually harass men.
krkr8m ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:55:28 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How many people currently alive have never actually seen a phone that looks like that?
ButtsexEurope ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:39:21 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's not sexual harassment. That's stalking. Big difference.
msdd2727 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:48:38 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In all seriousness, what campus is this?
spartyboy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:21:09 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Good thing Trevor Knight left. Would be kind of awkward if they were putting these up and he got caught calling Katy Perry 10 times a day asking when they are finally going to go on their first date.
justjoshingu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:22:55 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Its 1225 am... and ou still sucks
olegreggg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:26:31 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't this one of those displays that's has 2 images for 2 different heights
t5z003 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:22:17 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What's up with those!!!???!!! I saw some similarly "off" public service flyers like that at a school I briefly attended until apparently these exact types of victimizers started making my attendance there some kind of surreal hellscape. I thought twice about telling the school that the flyer was NOT ok, or representing any kind of social or politically neutral safety advice. The problem is just how harmless it seems at first, especially with rape and exploitation culture being what it is these days... but this kind of shit is part of the PROBLEM, NOT any SOLUTION. Forcing imaginary sexual assault victims into existence by way of a completely benign pop song, is TOTALLY comparable to memory coersion and the kind of completely insensitive disrespect for individual viewpoints, especially any MINORITY viewpoints that people concerned with sexual assault are supposed to be railing against in the patriarchal rape culture. This shit is SOOOOO dangerously, hatefully BACKWARDS. I mean I get it... we live in a world where someone like Rihanna still has credit as any kind of worthy human being that should ever be in front of a microphone as a woman or minority artist. She's basically the poster girl for why battered women show up dead in ditches when everyone knew they were being beaten for years and years. I understand the impetus to want to save young girls from that kind of hellish trashiness. But this is NOT the way. All this does is remove viable responsibility from young women and MEN, make them feel like shit for having completely NORMAL human feelings, while propping up some kind of semi retarded imaginary perpetual victim of Adele's song writing skills.
BetaMale1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:31:29 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So whens Amy schuemer going to be quotes about her raping a guy who was "soft" but she wanted it because he was drunk
icybluetears ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:39:07 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Adele is singing to her younger self in that song though, not a lover.
Darkish2010 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:55:57 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Out on your corner in the pouring rain...
imlonggone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:04:55 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sexual harassment is something that everyone needs to be aware of but I seriously doubt all songs are normalizing said behavior. There's this thing called exaggeration that many artists use...
Franetic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:37:30 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
even great songs...!??
Since when has pop music been considered anything but basic, rehashed paint by numbers product for the unwashed masses to consume?
I mean, Adele can certainly sing, but her songs are exactly the same as all the crappy soft rock/ easy listening shit that all the soccer moms listened to back in the 80's.
Why keep rehashing it?
DivineChaos91 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:39:31 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You are not a special snowflake, your taste is just as bland and obnoxious as everyone else.
Franetic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:54:20 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'll have you know, I only listen to the most skilled musicians on the planet who create the most profound art ever to exist that is so obscure and underground that know-one has heard of them yet.
smookykins ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:48:22 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Michael Jackson
Franetic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:48:41 on February 1, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Guy was a talented dude for sure.
whatwhynope ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:40:16 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Til calling someone is sexual assault.
frank89909 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:54:42 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Huh? Now calling someone is sexual harassment?
Skippythestuntbaby ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:45 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Here's a song so bad that the singer asked for radio stations to stop playing it.
http://articles.latimes.com/1991-07-27/entertainment/ca-246_1_country-singer
draiman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:21:41 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/TumblrInAction
lespaulstrat2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:18 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Danke Schoรซn"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:23 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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lespaulstrat2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:39:46 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I C&Ped it, but thanks for playing.
Salt-y ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:21 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
r/fellowkids
shiningPate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:16:16 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What does "normalize" mean in this context? I'm guessing this is in the UK because in the USA, the word as used would roughly equate to "making it ok".
cheesyvee ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:39:45 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's the US (from what I gather in the other threads). But your interpretation of normalize is likely the intended use. To make something normal or Ok.
shiningPate ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:02:50 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ok, guess I thought this was a PSA or warning. A lot of the comments in the thread seemed to be around the idea that songs themselves could be part of the harassment
kyndo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:07:54 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Plus we don't normalize, we normalise :P
cheesyvee ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:34:33 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought about adding that bit in.
KypriothAU ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:33:01 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Putting aside how unrealistic their apparent goal of censorship is (seriously... it's a good cause, but fight the battles you can both win and are actually going to help fix the problem...), I don't think calling somebody repeatedly can be classified as sexual assault, unless for some reason you answer every time and listen to them make at least one sexual comment before hanging up...
turndownthesun ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:53:30 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
...How is this censorship? Who is being censored?
KypriothAU ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:59:23 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't make a lot of sense to me either, which is why i said 'apparent' goal. Why put posters up about song lyrics if you didn't have a problem with them? Unless they were just pointing out the meaning of the lyrics with no agenda.... which seems unlikely given the tag line and the campaign emblems along the bottom of the poster
smookykins ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:35:57 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
WHAT??? No. You're stupid.
KypriothAU ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:33:59 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I meant trying to reduce sexual harassment in general, not this ridiculous poster campaign.
volfin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:46:36 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sad that society has stooped to the point of trying to find something sinister in everything.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:56:27 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What ever happened to "All's Fair in Love and War," it seems to me people are forgetting how tragic love is my it's nature. Of course, along with the tragedy is great comedy. Nonetheless, I call us to not belittle the full nature of love with our ego's self-protecting interpretations.
underbridge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:34:10 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Basically, don't use innuendos or metaphors in songs.
And, don't have emotions.
blobbybag ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:56:03 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Songs don't 'normalize' harassment. It looks like the 'x causes y' argument has evolved.
Baby-exDannyBoy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:00:57 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought college was the place were smart people went.
smookykins ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:40:59 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
HA! It's an expensive day care center for entitled brats who think they are always right and believe that they have the authority to dictate even the thoughts of other people.
alphawolf9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:53:24 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Open up, police!" "Is there a problem officer?" "You called this man a thousand times within the past decade, you are under arrest." "He never picked up! And that's only every three days!" "He didn't like it. I've a feeling that you'll be a lifer." "Well, what about his lost cat?" "Oh."
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:30:59 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"He sees you when you're sleeping, he knows when you are awake, he knows if you've been bad or good, so be good for goodness sake..."
lessleading ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:36:42 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A lapdance is always better when the stripper is crying.
Huntanator88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:02:52 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sublime - Date Rape
lentzcatnewark ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:23:30 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm going to make a sexual harassment playlist on my iPod with all the great songs on this thread. Label it โDate Nightโ
DoctorNoname98 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:44:26 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"If I were invisible, I could just watch you in your room"
Hackeye11 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:06:51 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
lol Sexual harassment
AlfaMuffin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:35:37 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"He sees you when you're sleeping,
He knows when you're awake,
He knows if you've been bad or good,
So be good for goodness sake.
You better watch out,
You better not cry,
Better not pout,
I'm telling you why.
Santa Claus is creepy as fuck"..
Ignoranceisblisssss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:25 on February 1, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shoutout to OP for stealing my OC.
Hi, I'm an intern in the office that this campaign comes from & I worked on this project.
Thank you, Reddit, for giving our office an interesting Monday morning and lots of laughs to start the week off.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:48:22 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, that's it. Feminists are no longer considered "intelligent species". This makes them inferior to dolphins, pigs, chimps, and even octopi.
jaemann ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:17:31 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
YES YES YES!!! Every time I hear that song (Or most of her songs) I think she's a crazy stalker lady. If a man called me a hundred times unsolicited I'd have a restraining order.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:32:51 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is funny people get stalked and raped and murdered and you're making fun of it. Hahaha.
wahmifeels ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:45:45 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Let's be real here, the campaign itself is making fun of it.
Stevlimo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:12:40 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hahahahahahaha.....millennials.
everawed ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 14:54:45 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
TIL in the Bible Belt phone calls = sex
patpowers1995 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:29:42 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Feminists don't grok romance.
ZutaTheFox ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:19:14 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Liberal arts schools in a nutshell.
joshmoneymusic ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:15:32 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Someone doesn't understand hyperbole. Ridiculous.
Triton_Labs ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:38:00 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've kicked a few of these while walking around campus...
maddasher ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:51:25 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What's with the quotation marks? That bugs the shit out of me.
mtled ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:32:50 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a quote. That's what they are for.
maddasher ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:47:42 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I more meant, why are they on top of the letters?
mtled ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:08:35 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Art"
maddasher ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:20:29 on January 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A"rt "
Ihavesomethingtosay9 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 18:56:51 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I'm sorry, but Adele does normalize unhealthy behavior.
It's too weird for me- it's hard to sing along too.
Edit: I was considering the context of this comment and I just wanted to make it clear that I don't think she normalizes sexual harassment, just unhealthy behaviors. Stalking being one of them.
KatenBaten ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:32:43 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"If I ever catch up with you I'm gonna love you for the rest of your (short) life"
Indigoh ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 21:14:16 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Calling
womenmen is now sexual harassment.Remember, a woman sings this song.
smookykins ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 22:15:25 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This isn't funny. This is Feminism. this is lunacy. Women are basically toddlers. This is an example of how big of a failure females in the USA and other western civilizations really are. Females always have to make up lies in order to get attention. Not allowing females to pull this bullshit is the biggest thing Saudia Arabia has going for it, it is the one thing they are doing most right. Females shouldn't be allowed to walk around in public. They cause too much damage when they do.
cRaziMan ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:36:54 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure if serious
-SHMOHAWK- ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:12:54 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's 2:12pm and OU still sucks.
PM_ME_YOUR_CHEETOS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:56:53 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Found the longhorn.
ASK_ME_IF_I_EAT_BABY ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:14:38 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Boomer
๐๏ธ Trollker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:35:56 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you eat baby?
kitthekat ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:51:04 on January 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Making my way downtown
Walking fast
Faces pass
And I'm home bound"
--Vanessa Carlton
Even great songs can normalize sexual harrassment