Darelz ยท 1008 points ยท Posted at 12:02:06 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's funny how people think just because they have the right to do something that means it can't be a disrespectful thing to do. You have the legal right to be a complete ass, and everyone else has the right to call you out on that shit.
[deleted] ยท 180 points ยท Posted at 18:12:20 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well I think the people who own that land put that sign there so they are probably breaking some real law by walking there.
It's not illegal (yet) by Australian law to climb the rock, but the Aboriginal people definitely do not want people climbing it. I don't think the Aboriginal people actually own the rock according to Australian law, so they can't physically stop people climbing it, but they can ask people to please not. A law is coming in that will ban climbing, but until then all they can do is sit around and watch.
So how is the course going? I see you are almost half way through the alphabet.
rnykal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:00:53 on December 31, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
i'm just curious how you can admit that every piece of property occupied by humans was stolen and still consider private property a valid construct, guess that makes me illiterate. boom roasted
So you don't think it is ludicrous to consider a rock sacred? Well then you're simply a moron, and you are disrespecting the entire human race by existing. You are part of the problem.
You are legitimately r/fuckthesepeople material, the people who have, do, and will always make the world a worse place; the people who either use or condone magical thinking. You are part of the problem that brought us the inquisition, that held back scientific discovery for millenia, that have do, and always will be a force for degradation. You should be fucking ashamed of yourself.
The very word "sacred" should only be used to describe insane people, and their beliefs.
PS my posts on reddit are sacred, don't disrespect them.
PPS it is a fucking rock you dickhead..
ASEKMusik ยท 71 points ยท Posted at 07:38:29 on September 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
i don't think it's ludicrous to not want to be a fucking dickhead to the native population that cherishes a specific rock. what kicks do you get out of being a shitstain on the underwear of humanity? i guess society would be so much better if everyone were like you, huh?
But you do think it is OK to be a dickhead by supporting the most destructive kind of thinking humans have ever been capable of. You are the one being a shitstain on the entire human race.
Society would certainly be better if nobody was like you, if nobody pandered to ludicrous magical thinking. You are part of the problem; you and your ilk have held back humanity for millenia, and you disgust me. You are scum.
You went a little over the top with the insults, but I gotta agree; who the fuck claims a giant ass rock perfect for climbing shouldnโt be climbed.
My great grandpa planted a giant ass oak tree in what is now my backyard, I climbed that shit every day when I was little and eventually nailed boards into it and made a tree house. Some of my family got mad.
I donโt think heโs looking down and thinking โthat fucker is ruining muh sacrednessโ
Yeah, Im torn on it.
I mean its a dick move to disrespect what they find sacred but on the other hand its natural land and who is someone else to say you cant use it (as long as you dont damage it) because their religion?
I get that they were there first but that rock was there long before us and is going to be there long after all of us are gone who is to say that any of us can actually own it?
I mean its off limits to climb a peak because its sacred but on the other hand how many people would say its A-OK to draw Muhammad or have art like Piss Christ?
Those are considered sacred by people as well and we, for the most part, dont care at all.
They have legal control the place so when the ban on climbing starts we should respect it, there is no reason to respect the childish reason for the ban though. And disrespecting childish horse shit is hardly a dick move. Drawing Muhammad or have art like Piss Christ is A-OK by me, again there is no reason to respect childish beliefs.
I tend to treat these sort of request like rules or laws. Not like a please keep of the grass thing in a park that's put there because of some cunt city planner but because the amount of disrespect in that photo discusts me, fuck these people
I mean, thereโs pretty clearly a worn path and people have done some terrible things to natural formations in parks across the world without littering. The balancing rock pushed over in Brimham UK comes to mind.
Itโs not so much that itโs harming people but more about respect, etiquette and preservation.
Respect, etiquette and preservation are all things that are defined differently across cultures, not too mention, the signs in English and who knows where all the people in the photo or that visit the site on a regular basis.
Unless their traditional law is enforced, they wasted money on the sign and feels.
kyleh0 ยท 59 points ยท Posted at 15:08:52 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"Please don't do that" is pretty much universal through all cultures.
Darelz ยท 56 points ยท Posted at 15:37:36 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think so. There are plenty of mountains and hills out there to climb, so to climb this one despite knowing it's sacred to a group of people is just rude. It's like if someone bakes a bunch of cupcakes, each of which has a different flavour, and your celiac friend says "Please don't eat the blueberry one, it's my favourite flavour and the blueberry cupcake is one of the only gluten free cupcakes," but then you ate the blueberry one anyway despite not being celiac and liking other flavours just as much. You were completely within your rights to eat the blueberry cupcake as the cupcakes were available to everyone to eat, but picking the blueberry one when you know how much your friend wanted it is just rude, especially since you would've been just as happy with any other cupcake. When there's so little cost to avoid upsetting others, why wouldn't you? To completely ignore the wishes of others is such a selfish attitude.
There are plenty of mountains and hills out there to climb
Yes, there are. But, to play devil's advocate, this is the largest rock in the world. It has an appeal far beyond that of a typical hill anywhere else. It's a bit like saying "there's plenty of women in the world to go to dinner with, so why would anyone want to eat with Queen Elizabeth?"
Do those people actually own that land? If not I don't see what right they have to ask others not to hike it.
Atlusfox ยท 150 points ยท Posted at 16:39:33 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I can relate, I live in a tourist town. We have are share of wet lands, preserves, historical land marks just like any other, and it really is a shame how many people just don't care because they don't live in the area.
[deleted] ยท 78 points ยท Posted at 19:04:01 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As an Australian I am aware that the country overall simply does not care about our indigenous population and they are viewed as a pest. I am not saying this is right or I agree with it but the country as a whole tends to sweep the aborigines under the rug. Prime minister Kevin Rudd is often criticised for saying sorry to the stolen generation and there is much resentment for native land title. This image is testimony to the truth.
I donโt know which state youโre in but from what I see, weโve gotten much better at representing aboriginal people here in Australia, sure youโve still got your arseholes but the large majority of people are accepting of aboriginal people, these people in this picture are probably just some dumb tourists who have no respect or just canโt read English
Vokayl ยท 400 points ยท Posted at 05:50:09 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I donโt think that is important if someone is owning the land or not, itโs all a matter of respect for other cultures
[deleted] ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 18:14:06 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think the culture in question owns the land, they put a sign on it.
But what if you don't agree with that culture and their beliefs?
Why must my culture conform to another culture?
Vokayl ยท 186 points ยท Posted at 06:46:08 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You are right, but if you donโt like that culture I donโt think that you go to their religious places.
Itโs like if someone is not Christian but still goes to a church and do shit all around the place
You could just appreciate it from the bottom, where the people who follow the religion, know more about it than both of us, and are actually offended to some degree. Say you should stand.
So where did you study comparative religions? You're clearly an educated white man, how else could you make such intelligent points? The lesser races aren't capable of such feats.
Gotcha. To be clear then, there's nothing wrong with putting a pipeline through the Black Hills in South Dakota, despite those hills being sacred ground for Native Americans (specifically the Sioux, iirc)?
Because religious value is protected and observed in almost all countries and cultures. Native Americans were banned from practicing their religions for centuries and the government attempted to commit a genocide of the natives, a pipleine going through sacred land is bad and should be avoided, especially when the government is simply taking the land without consent.
You on the other hand chose to go to college and acquire debts, you consented to owe money and participated in a transaction so religiosity has nothing to do with it.
Exactly! The pipeline concern is about leakage. The natives have lost all their land generations ago. They really can't stand in the way of billions of dollars of revenue.
Its not about your culture having to conform to theirs. Their place, their rules. Simple as that. You can't travel to another culture and say we do things my way.
Yeah I normally do respect no trespassing signs. But this seems more like a tourist attraction, for some odd reason. It's just a big dirty hill, definitely not a place for knowledge, maybe meditation.
Haziera ยท 77 points ยท Posted at 07:15:42 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
...This is Uluru, or Ayer's Rock. The biggest rock in the world. It has been considered sacred by Australian Aboriginal people for over 50,000 years and plays a large role in their history and legends.
Yeah. It's a fucking rock. A big rock that people want to climb. And nobody is going to want to stand at the bottom of a big rock,people want to climb it.
Look, I like putting shit on America as much as the next guy. But I wouldnโt disrespect the flag that people care so much about. Unless it became a symbol of a fascist regime like the Nazi flag โ then Iโd gladly trample it and use it as a tea towel.
Same as the Bible, the Qurโan, etc.: people hold those objects as sacred and dear, and if they ask me to respect them by not desecrating their religious paraphernalia, then it would be a dog act to go ahead and do it anyway. So I respect them by respecting their religious symbols.
And for the atheists who say that religion is cancer: respect is not the same as condoning. You can respect religion/spiritual beliefs without taking part in them.
It really is. It's hard to know where your line was until it's already been passed. And there are so many ways people can be shitty, it's hard to pick without over-generalizing, but then you think maybe it's bad that most widely-applicable descriptions of harm you can think of apply to things that've already been done.
Even if you never come to a conclusion, it's good to keep in mind, you know?
ttstte ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 13:42:49 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Your home is just a mix of materials placed on land that nobody owns because no one can own the Earth. May I come over to your house and do whatever I want while I'm there?
Can we not act like people that are against religion are edgy teens? Religion has historically done a lot of bad in this world and is legitimately a pretty terrible thing.
I mean, he is one of the worst presidents we've ever had and is destroying trade and faith in our country, eroding our alliances with other western nations.
Holy fuck dude, can you not concede to this guy's point of "edgy = name-calling because it's cool with no backup of why" vs "name-calling for a reason and then saying what that reason is"? It's like you just have to have the last word.
Oh come on, you just completely ignored my arguments with maybe implying that it isn't edgy as long it is justified. Well, if that is the case...
America is cancer
Obama is cancer
Ted cruzz is cancer
Puppies are cancer
Kittens are cancer
Healtcare is cancer
The sun is cancer
You are cancer
I am cancer
Everything is cancer and should fuck off in a hole and die.
But hey, a long it is justified, I can say whatever the fuck I want, right?
You do realize there is some meaning behind calling something cancer, right? It means "pretty consistently bad, in a way that pervasively spreads to and ruins other things."
So on your list, the first and third fit that definition. Second might as well, depending on how many of your friends and family were killed as collateral in drone strikes.
Like if the point is "people should supply context when they're criticizing something, sure, that makes sense. But why are people so worked up with the word "cancerous" specifically?
Ummm the older I have become (Not 37) the more and more I realize that religion is just that. How old are you to not realize conflicts in this world are 99% because of two things. Money and Religion.
Religion hasn't started as many wars as people think. Religion, by nature of its ability to link great masses of people together under one banner, makes a great and often used excuse to start wars for money, land, revenge, resources, or desire for fame.
Point still holds - Land, resources and fame really come down to money. Revenge is most likely revenge for something that someone else started over money. Then that leaves us with religion.
[deleted] ยท -104 points ยท Posted at 06:18:56 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
I went there a few years ago, the walk around the base was much more rewarding cuturally for me at least. Ill have other chances to get high up. But I'll never forget what I saw and learnt. Respect your native peoples.
[deleted] ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 08:56:02 on October 3, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs not about their race. Itโs about respecting a culture that has existed in the area for much longer than the settler culture. Itโs about acknowledging how much settlers fucked them over and trying to make amends for that.
You are all over this thread and I donโt understand why youโre so worked up about being asked to respect a cultural landmark.
Mate I know you think you sound like Peter Cook, but you only sound like the sad angry little man that you are. You clearly don't receive the respect you think you deserve from the world and are seriously mad about it.
Very grateful for all the people saying "it's just a rock". I'd started to suspect that Reddit was mostly populated by decent people; thank you all for ridding me of that notion.
[deleted] ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 12:28:27 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Even if you get up in arms about that, it's still an Australian landmark. And regardless of how you feel about the cultural significance of it, people walking all over it damages it. Same reason you're not meant to walk on reefs. You damage it and it fucks it up. It's not as if we can fix a giant rock. So we stop people walking on it. Which, as an added bonus, stops people FALLING OFF AND DYING. Can't rope off the top. Ban it completely and it solves that problem. You fell off and you died? Too fucking bad. It's banned. Not our problem. Not everything is just pandering to religion. You seem to have a stick up your ass about that.
No it doesn't, banning certain behaviors on certain historical landmarks is not connected to religion in any way. It's for protection of the property and a location of cultural significance. If you think you should be allowed to damage an important landmark just because you don't adhere to the beliefs that hold it as sacred land then you are an entitled piece of shit and deserve to be shamed on this sub as well.
What the fuck are you talking about. First off no, I very explicitly said it isn't related to religion, especially not in the sense of separation of church and state. Separation of Church and State just bans the establishment by different of an official religion, it says nothing about religious congressman voting for or against something based on their religious views. Second off not allowing people to deface a landmark, sacred or otherwise, is no more about religion than making it illegal to vandalize a mosque or other place of worship. The government can and should protect and respect the nonviolent views and customs of a culture or religion against cunts like you who want to deface them just to be a cunt and make your cunty point. Cunt.
Protecting the rights of a group that owns private land is the government's job, whether or not the group that owns said land is religious or not. Just because the group is religious doesn't suddenly mean they lose those protections.
And yeah, I called you a cunt because you're acting like a cunt. But it's not ad hominem because I'm not making baseless slanderous statements or using it as my argument. I'm making an argument that you're not providing any real counterpoints to and also appending the fact that you're being a cunt.
ttstte ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:44:14 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Is separation of church and state a big deal in Australia?
Correcting the historical context of gun control isn't bringing up "some anecdotal story" either. Who is pushing "an agenda" here? I think it might be the angry revisionist (that's you btw).
How is walking up a hill related to guns. It isn't. You brought it up, now you're bitching about how it's not your topic, but it is, you opened the door. Accept the responsibility of topic change, or just be a better lurker.
It's not... I was replying to a comment, not the post itself.
Accept the responsibility of topic change
Right, I brought up gun control and you hijacked my comment to make it all about race. I'm not going to respond anymore because you obviously have something wrong with your brain. Have a nice day.
Jesus dude, that was the other guy, check a username every once in a while, you might see I'm the one whose comment YOU derailed by bringing up guns in the first place.
I don't care about that. You got pissed about comment derailment, when you yourself are the initial perpetrator. You're a fucking hippocrate. So it doesn't matter.
Mainland Chinese truly don't give a fuck about anyone or anything. No manners, no culture (almost literally โ the Communist Party stripped much of that away), and an unbelievably arrogant disposition. Away from the watchful eye of the People's Liberation Army, they'll wreck your shit big time. They're goddamn animals.
Mind you, people from Taiwan, Hong Kong, and Macau are decent, polite, and respectful. They'll make a reasonable effort to respect local customs and culture, and they're great to have around. If you see a tidy, well-maintained tour bus coming your way, and it's got traditional Chinese characters printed on it, you're probably in good company.
But mainland Chineseโฆ Woe unto anyone confronted with a janky, soot-belching tour bus covered in simplified Chinese characters.
Fev83 ยท 101 points ยท Posted at 11:46:03 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hey man Iโm from Australia, this is Uluru a scared indegenious place, Iโve been there twice and HAVNT climbed it, the aboriginals have very few sacred places that have been given back by whites, yet white people and tourists continue to climb it even tho itโs disrespectful. Even tourism board of Australia is against it and promotes to not do it
Yup it's fucking infuriating, especially when Australians do it because they fucking know about the Aboriginal people and their culture. Went there in year eleven with the rest of my year level (~120 people) and only people who didn't want to climb, other than those who physically couldn't, were me and one other girl. We had been told numerous times before going that the Aboriginal people there didn't want people climbing it and how it was a sacred place for them but that didn't stop anyone.
Luckily it had been bucketing down pretty heavily the night before and the native people had decided it was too dangerous to climb.
[deleted] ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 12:23:42 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Also it's dangerous. You chase after a hat at the top and you don't stop running. You run straight off the edge and bounce all the way down. Maybe you live, maybe you don't. Have fun
Yet another thing that is dangerous af in Australia.
008286 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:57:49 on December 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I had a friend climb it with her Dad after the ban was in the news again recently. It made me view her and other people I have talked to about it very differently.
Yes because hair being an unnatural color is completely impossible today. No one in the world has hair that is not a natural color.
faceoh ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:00:15 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Have you ever been to Shanghai or Beijing before? I can almost guarantee you will zero Asians with blonde hair. Obviously, yes, someone can dye their but it's definitely no as common over there than it is in Western, European countries.
Just making the point that it exists. I'm not taking sides in this because Chinese or not, fuck these people. But using hair color as a determining factor of race is about as valid as using clothes.
LMAO you racist fuck, it's pretty obvious from this picture that most of the people there are white. You can see that some of them literally have blonde hair and fair skin (I dare you to find me a single Chinese person that has that combination). Also the choice of clothing being worn is quite different from what mainland Chinese wear anyways. And even if they do look Chinese to you, who is to say that they are not Australians of Chinese descent, or from other countries? You are just looking for an excuse to be racist, and attaching the "mainland" before Chinese is a poor veil of your true intentions. As others who have actually been there have pointed out, most of the people who climb there are locals. At least people are calling you out. "It's a gamble" my ass.
China is infamous for churning out remarkably shitty tourists. It's not racist to point out an actual fact, and it's no more racist than calling Americans ignorant, ethnocentric assholes. (In a lot of ways, Chinese are the new Americans, actually.)
This isn't a dig against any ethnicity. It's got a lot to do with nationality, though. Aussies of Chinese descent would behave like any other Aussies.
Well they don't proselytize, they don't condemn. They just want to believe what they want in peace and don't impose it on you. That's the difference. If you're not an ass about it I don't really care what you believe.
I think because in this case it would be very easy to respect these beliefs by climbing literally anything the fuck else. I think most folks would agree regardless of whose name or beliefs were on that sign, a polite request to not disrespect a single hilltop should be honored, it's just basic human decency.
Itโs probably the tallest point and only thing of note for 500 miles. I get respecting their customs but you make it sound like itโs the one fruit you shouldnโt eat in garden of Eden.
Itโs a rock, if you want to charge people to get in you gotta make it worth their while. If I want to climb and am ALLOWED to climb it, donโt think youโre going to guilt me into not climbing it. Their culture finds it sacred, other cultures like to climb things.
What if some tribe or monastery found K2, Everest, and Kilimanjaro sacred? Should we not climb those either.
What if your landlord or bank, or even government just went up to your house and just, kicked the shit out of everything in your house. Just because they wanted to, theyโre allowed to
Well if youโve ever been there you will also see signs saying you are allowed to climb, the locals would just prefer you not. So unlike all of those things you just mentioned, you are allowed to actually do it
As someone said below, I think those are indeed sacred to other cultures, but in such a way they are meant to be climbed and overcome (including afaik foreigners) so hardly applicable here. There's no sign on any of these asking pls don't climb thx. They're also some of the tallest mountains in the world, not just in this chunk of the outback, sooooo... bit of a false equivalency innit? I'd like to think if they WERE declared sacred, I personally wouldn't have a problem, even if climbing big-ass mountains was my thing. There's other big-ass mountains. But it seems a culture that has already spent centuries oppressed, abused and pushed into the tiniest shittiest region of what was once their land asking for people (often the same people who, to them, represent their former conquerors) not to climb the one solitary hillside they don't even seem to litigate irks you? I like hiking too dude, but it's a big globe. I'm no expert on the subject but I feel like this is an easy choice from an ethical and even just moral standpoint. If roles were reversed and that was my culture's sacred mountain, I'd find it hard not to hate outsiders after seeing such a large display of apathy towards my people.
Well it is a the largest monolith in the world so itโs not really a false equivalency. And the point still remains the owners allow people to climb it and even installed a handrail.
For me it's more than about religion. It's just another way that aboriginals have been fucked over. They don't even have autonomy over their own sacred rock. The government still allows people to climb something that doesn't legally or ethically belong to them.
It's more like, "hey, we stole most of these peoples' land, genocided them a little bit, and kidnapped their children and forced them into boarding schools. Can we at least resist from climbing this really cool rock they're so fond of?"
They never said it was racist to ignore the sign. They said this post pulled out all the racists. And they probably inferred that because of all the people saying things along the lines of "fuck these natives, what gives them the right to order people not to climb a rock?!"
Lol y'all are reaching really hard. All the comments are talking about ignoring the sign, therefore "how is it racist to ignore the sign?" Is an appropriate question. No one is saying fuck the natives either or anything about them, all the comments when I arrived were questioning the authority one has to say "the mountain belongs to us" which is legitimate and I would ask the same question regardless of the color of the people making the claim. Hence why I don't believe in nationalism or closed borders and why I think Zionism is ridiculous to say the least.
You can't have it both ways. Either you believe people can have ownership of land for religious reasons or you dont. In this case the government gave the land to the native tribes and they chose to open it up to visitors. It looks like they'll be closing it to climbers starting next year, so no one will be allowed to experience the joys of this mountain except for one group of people who claim it's theirs for religious reasons.
Their land was never YOUR land. It was taken from them. No one is talking about the sign. It's all about the fact some people feel superior to others. That simple. It's THEIR land. If they don't want dicks up there then they have every right to make it a crime to break their rules. You are owed nothing from these people. Their religion has nothing to do with the fact they own it. You abide by the rules of the owners or you get shown the door, respect, it's a hell of a thing.
Who ever said it was MY land? I literally said I don't think land belongs to anyone and somehow you twisted that into me saying "this land belongs to me and it's mine".
It is their land and they have a right to do what they want with it. I, as a fellow human with the ability to communicate with other humans, have the right to question their claim to it. Again, I do the same thing to my own people in Israel(my family literally lives in Israel and I would not join them because I don't believe in their right to own it) and to white nationalists on America who think the country is theirs(though not for religious reasons).
I understand the context and that Aborigines are the target of racism in Australia but I don't think anyone is being racist for questioning why such a large natural wonder is owned and not public like most natural wonders. If they said they should own it instead, maybe that would be racist. It is disrespectful to the owners to ignore their wishes, but I don't think it's racist, which I responded specifically to this comment and not the picture.
You sure as hell are acting like you and everyone should get free reign, my mistake.
White Nationalists and the Natives of Australia whom have faced repeated attrocities at the hands of the people colonizing land they had no right to in the first place are not the same. Not in the slightest. Why does their religion factor into your reply? As far as I can tell, this is spiritual if anything.
Lol on God I knew you would ignore every other point I'm making just to take pretend offense as if I said they were similar people. If you actually read what I wrote, I was clearly saying I oppose the concept in general and I'm not specifically against Aborigines owning land. Why did you choose to comment on that and not on Israel when my comments on Israel were much larger and more significant to my point? Do you think I have a right to that land?
Why didn't I talk on the Israel comment? I don't know shit about Israel. It would be quite stupid if I talked on something I knew nothing about. Also, bullshit you knew what I would type, otherwise you wouldnt have said it, or predicted it in your comment. You're questioning their right/authority to own the land, and stacked them up against white nationalists. Call me whatever but it seems odd to me
Oh I know. You remind me of a right-winger, you could make your point ten times in a ten different ways and they'll do everything except actually talk about the point.
If that's how you categorize someone's political party, and not their actual beliefs, I feel so damn sorry for you. I'm actually a Left Winger. In fact, most Conservatives would hate me and my whole background.
It's written in clear English, it's not even poorly translated. How... HOW can you not see that?
Liamiay ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:08:47 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As they are tourists they might not understand English. That of course isn't an excuse for their disrespectful behaviour but I hope you get what I mean
I get what you mean, I just had this friend named Josh, we were touring in tibet and he insisted that if the sign was poorly translated he didn't have to obey it
Iโve already written over 20 encyclopedias pro bono for children in need. Youโre welcome world, you should be thankful an intellectual so superior like myself exists.
I mean the government ban on climbing it is supposed to come into effect next year
m4ttmo ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:37:22 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I always think it's weird people can just claim something as theirs or sacred and then get offended when people don't what they want. What if another old age culture says well in our long gone culture this rock was meant to be climbed. Who do you believe? What then? Do things like thing happen? If so what's the solution?
Most people think that the asshats that do this are all tourists- nope, some white Australians just can't seem to muster the brain to realise "huh, this is a heritage site, maybe don't climb it??!?"
Kyidou ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:04:36 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hi, I am a human for linking imgur albums with only 1 image.
honestly that fact that a certain group of people think they have the exclusive right to a natural formation sounds much more dickish to me. I say climb away just don't ruin anything or make a mess.
Then tell everyone living everywhere (including aboriginal people) that they are unethically living on conquered land. You are unethically living on conquered land. According to your own standards you are an unethical person.
Lortep ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:42:42 on November 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I am not saying that everyone who lives on conquered land is a horrible person. People shouldnt be judged or punished for the actions of their ancestors. What i am saying is that the people who originally conquered those lands were evil, at least by modern standards.
Also: I am not living on conquered ground. My home country, Liechtenstein, was peacefully purchased by our first prince, Hans Adam the first.
Peacefully purchased from descendants of conquerors, i.e. you are living on conquered ground.
The whole point of this thread is that aboriginal Australians supposedly have some special claim on a rock, because it was stolen off/conquered from their ancestors. Guess what? Tough shit so was every other rock in the world.
You know what? No. The people who should go get fucked are the ones posting that sign. Fuck off with your โthis land is magicโ bullshit. I will climb a god damned rock if I want to and admire the beautiful view.
is this seriously what you do all day? I've known you're a troll this whole time but man does it ever get old? I remember doing stuff like that when I was like 8.
And you continue to be a dick man. Give it a rest.
Barkzey ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 05:27:37 on September 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Who has the authority to tell anyone they canโt climb a rock?
I respect their culture, and their decision not to climb Uluru. But I also fail to see why their belief system should apply to me? No harm is done regardless.
Reddit's quick to punish people who make stupid mistakes, and I totally understand making stupid mistakes on reddit when you're tired. You seem alright to me, though; don't take the downvotes personally, and get some sleep.
Actually, I'm tired as fuck as well. Anyway, hope you have a good one.
Boo_Guy ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 08:55:56 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You seem alright to me, though.
Well thanks, I like to try.. sometimes ;)
Wrong is wrong, I'll own up to it.
I'm going to bed any minute now, really.. it's only 4:55am here.
[deleted] ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 12:30:28 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
After hearing about the upcoming climbing ban, I travelled over 2000kmโs to climb Uluru and successfully did so a few days ago.
I would HIGHLY recommend that anybody considering doing this to do it while they have the chance. Absolutely amazing experience. Zero regrets and I really hope that they reopen the climb after tourism goes to shit so I can take my kids up there one day in future.
Donโt be guilt tripped into thinking the Aborigines care about โrespecting the landโ etc etc.
Itโs all a cash cow. Money money money.
I agree. I came from Florida to climb that damn thing. I mean I didnโt piss of the top or throw beer cans from it but damn climbing shit is a milestone in my culture. Praying to a rock is theirs. Different strokes for different folks and you shouldnโt feel bad
Translation: fuck these natives, I wanna prioritize my meaningless goals and make them unhappy, I am more important than other people, who have already seen enough tegedy and disrespect.
You are an insensitive, self important dick.
And they fucking charge admission to and allow people to walk on it you dipshit. Thatโs why the installed fucking handrails up the side of the goddamn thing.
They donโt climb it because their beliefs donโt allow it.
Same as a water park charges you to be there, but you don't fucking run down the slides just because there isn't a law against doing it. They charge you to be able to be on that land you moron.
You wanna know why they have hand rails? Because even though you're an uncompromising cunt they still value your safety, all while you give them the finger, real considerate you dick.
Not the same thing at all. There are definitely rules about running down the slide. Itโs not even a little bit forbidden to walk up the rock. Next year supposedly they are outlawing it and Iโm sure people will stop walking up. But quit acting all high and mighty because a tourist goes to a fucking mountain that he is allowed to climb and climbs it, even if a religion that he doesnโt follow doesnโt climb it. I bet you have no problem eating a hamburger in front of a Hindu
They are the exact same thing. There are rules about being there, not climbing the fucking mountain is one of them, dumbass. And no, people won't just stop. Because people like you exist. And always will exist. Acting high and mighty? Calling you out for being an entitled little shit isn't being high and mighty. You're not allowed to climb on it, IT'S AGAINST THE RULES! How much do you bet, and how would you like to give me that money? If someone respectfully asks me not to do something nonessential, then I'll respect their wishes. Unlike you, I have a basic understanding of respect.
Thatโs what Iโm saying THERE ISNT A RULE AGAINST IT You are allowed to climb the fucking thing. I have been there. There are signs specifically saying it is allowed but is sacred ground to the Anangu people. They donโt climb it and donโt like others to climb it.
Do some fucking research before you spout of something as absolute fact and are willing to bet money.
Under our traditional law climbing is not permitted" "Please do not climb". Also, recheck your comment. Tell me why it's so wrong to have some respect for the culture of others, why is it so important you get your way at the expense of the feeling's of others?
Did you even click the clink? Your dumbass is wrong. Accept it. Where shall I recheck my comment?
Under Catholic traditional law they donโt get abortions or use birth control. Itโs not the same thing as not being allowed to use it.
I feel like weโre going in circles so I think weโre done here. Iโm not saying itโs wrong to have respect at all. But climbing the largest monolith in the world is exciting and important to some people. Iโm not trashing their beliefs or throwing garbage on top of the rock. That rock has been there millions of years and will be there millions more. The climb to the top was amazing and something Iโll remember for the rest of my life. They can have their sacred beliefs and I can have my memories. The two arenโt mutually exclusive.
I will say if I wasnโt allowed to climb it I probably wouldnโt have went, and I think a lot of others probably will feel the same. Theyโve been talking about closing the climb since before I went, 8 years ago, Iโll be interested to see if theyโre is much lost revenue and if the rule actually stocks this time.
Recheck the betting part. Your personal joys don't out weigh the beliefs of the people who actually OWN the place. No one cares what you feel entitled to. You're still a dick, you're still being disrespectful to the people who've been fucked over the hardest throughout history. The fact that you can't show a bit of respect and prioritize your personal aspirations and beliefs over the people who even make it possible for you to be there, says a lot about you.
Cgaunvy ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:52:23 on July 19, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe you should have done your research before you left? Also, don't turn up to someone else's native land and impose your culture on it. Especially if it contravenes theirs, doubly so when theirs harms literally no one. I think the Australian Aborigines of all people have probably had their fill of shitty foreigners shitting all over their dearly held beliefs.
But hey, maybe your shitty platitudes are worth just as much. Different strokes...
They owned that land before some dude with a gun came and took it. What if someone's religion involved raping your daughter? Different strokes amiright? /s
There are a great many very, very old rock paintings around the site. It's a slightly odd use of the word, but it's meant in a cultural, "history-of-our-people" way.
To elaborate, the Anangu people have stories for almost every part of the rock - how it was formed, what happened during the Dreamtime near it, and the importance it has to how the world was created during the Dreamtime.
It serves as a source of historical documentation for them. This is why itโs so important.
It's sacred to some, not everyone. The people who it's sacred to for religious reasons are obviously superstitious in some sense. Unless they actually own it people, then it's kinda fair game, it's not even of particular artful value. You want to live under other's superstitious beliefs just because you don't want to offend them? Go ahead, but it's dumb and actually impossible considering there's tons of conflicting beliefs.
If we are talking about the American South, I'll have you know it's the overall racism that makes cobblers, sun tea and Carolina pulled pork so damn delicious. It's easy to mistake as just general disrespect though, so I'll give you that one.
There are way too many people these days for this to work. If enough people visit and donโt follow rules eventually it will be covered in graffiti and trash, and any value it has will be gone.
They arenโt living on the mountain. They shouldnโt โown the mountainโ.
Iโm not advocating running into someoneโs house; but this is nature. Also, Iโm not buying into some buyllshit superstition of holy land or something.
Aboriginals tried "not owning land", but that shit didn't fly with the invading colonists. They declared the country "terra nullius" and claimed the whole lot. Aboriginals adopt the concept of ownership of the land to stop some fucker developing on it and ruining it.
You're being pedantic here by bringing up "private property". You are talking about a big rock with sacred worth to a native people, not a factory, or rented housing. The Marxist's problem with private propery is it's potential to exploit others. Aboriginals are basically forced to use recognised "Australian" legalese for something that doesn't really fit the significance of the site in order to protect it. It would have just been easier to respect their shit, but we need paperwork I guess. ๐คทโโ๏ธ
Why should I be tolerant of magical thinking? There is no such thing as magic. They literally believe untrue things and expect me to respect that? Lol, good luck with that. They are welcome to believe whatever nonsensical untrue thing about the rock they want. It is everyone's right to delude themselves, I suppose. They don't get to force others into their idiotic delusions though.
The people climbing up the rock have the right idea. The view looks killer from the top and it would be good exercise hiking it. No reason to deprive oneself of that because some people have backwards, primitive beliefs.
Koori (indigenous australian) here! Uluru is incredibly important and sacred to us. By walking on it regardless of what the original custodians of the land ask, youโre showing massive disrespect.
Just because itโs not personally important to you doesnโt mean that it isnโt important at all. Please try and have some empathy for other cultures; thatโs all we ask for.
Itโs not superstition, as far as Iโm aware, not does it have anything to do with โfake knowledgeโ; because Uluru is a sacred place for aboriginal people, having whitefulla walk all over it is akin to spitting in their faces. Respect is all that is asked.
So just because a people have strong spiritual ties to a place, you then feel an unshakable desire to desecrate it and disrespect them? Thatโs pretty awful of you as a person.
Also, you didnโt answer my question. Why do you feel this need to disregard the feelings of, and disrespect, a whole group of people because of โsuperstition?โ
Please show me the harm that has been caused by people respecting Uluru.
heathre ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 07:09:43 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The person you're replying to is an obstinate dumb person, I wouldn't bother trying to coax them off their ignorant high horse. People like that act as though disrespect is a reflection of some kind of superior intellect when it just shows how narrow minded and inconsiderate they are. Flags are just fabric, a loved ones ashes are just ashes, etc, but I'm sure there's something this person values that they'd be offended to see disrespected.
Because I would jokingly choose a rock over an obnoxious redditor in a life and death situation?
When people go to machu picchu and they are told to stick to the designated routes, and that food drink and alcohol is forbidden they do so they are told.
Know why? So they can preserve something that is special to them and people who go to see it
Here's the thing: it depends on who you're talking to. I wouldn't be personally affected nor offended by a Bible-burning, because I am not Christian and the Bible holds no importance to me. However, because Christians see the Bible as the sacred word of God, I respect that by not burning it or defacing it.
Also, the Bible does have significance to the people it matters to, just like Uluru to us indigenous Australians. Whitefulla won't be mad if its trampled on, but I will feel offended personally, as I hold it in such high regard.
Whether it's a rock, a book, or fabric to you, it is important to hundreds of thousands of other people as a spiritual site, a holy text, and a patriotic symbol.
So how exactly does walking on this rock make it less sacred? Not trolling here, but how does keeping people away from the sacred rock make it more sacred? What makes a rock sacred to begin with?
It's not that walking on Uluru makes it less sacred. It's just that walking on it is considered disrespectful because the place has such a high importance to us.
It'd be like me walking on an American flag. Logically, all I'm doing is trampling fabric. But, due the spiritual connection Americans feel to the flag, it would be seen as a highly disrespectful act to them.
But what importance is lost when people walk on it? I just belong to the camp that says let nature be enjoyed, as long as no physical harm is being done to it. I would even say the awe one feels when enjoying natural beauty and being a part of that natural environment is far more spiritually honest than roping it off and saying "don't touch or you'll ruin the magic".
Importance is not lost. I don't think I ever said that.
Also, your personal enjoyment as a whitefulla does not take precedent over the basic respect asked from the indigenous Australians who have lived here for countless thousands of years and see the site as incredibly important (to elaborate, we see it as a key point in Dreamtime storiesโthere are countless ones associated with it, some of which are here).
Besides, white people getting what they want at any cost is what caused our genocide. But go ahead, spit on us even more.
Whatever dude. We'll all be dead in a hundred years and that rock will still be there, inviting people to climb and explore, while someone says, "don't do that, it's magic" and others will say "hey, why don't we actually climb and explore this rock instead of pretending it's magic".
"Itโs not superstition" def, excessively credulous belief in and reverence for supernatural beings.
"Uluru is a sacred" def, connected with God (or the gods) or dedicated to a religious purpose and so deserving veneration. religious rather than secular, embodying the laws or doctrines of a religion
European Australian here, rational thought is important to me. By expressing your ludicrous magical thinking you are showing massive disrespect not just to me, but to the entirety of the human race, you should be ashamed of yourself.
Just because ludicrous magical thinking is important to you doesn't mean it isn't ridiculous. Please try and have some empathy for all the billions of victims of your kind of nonsense, and just cut it out. Grow the fuck up.
Well you see TM there is this magical spirit system called the Internet, and when you post nonsense to them your nonsense is stored for exactly 4 months. So I had to reply before that time was up or my spirit guide would be angry.
I understand WHY itโs frowned upon, but to be fair I think most people would do the same, because it would be a cool experience.
heathre ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 07:11:28 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Most people don't because there are more important things in the world than an idiot's"cool experience". I was able to encounter and appreciate uluru without clambering all over it, and most other visitors are, too.
By that logic half the planet has been sacred at some point to some one so should we never build or even walk around anymore ? Also what about current issues, people are fast to shit on churches and religions for the shit they do that others donโt like or agree with. Why is it ok to say the cunts that do all the god hates fags shit should be slaughtered in mass but itโs not ok to walk where someone thinks a rock is magical? They both have there own beliefs and saying one is right and the other is wrong is kinda fucked up. What makes ur opinion right and others wrong and why should that matter to them? Both sides have a valid argument. The people that just came here to spread hate on the other hand like you mentioned are just cunts lol
Churches are sacred places, and youโre allowed to walk inside them because thereโs no beliefs against it, defiling a church certainly is a bad practice and is deeply frowned upon, and swearing in a church is extremely disrespectful to christians
Each culture has its own beliefs, that are not synonymous with each other, Uluru being sacred land to the aboriginal people, walking on it is the same as defiling it (and itโs literally deforming the rock in doing so)
So while in another timeline it may have been okay due to their beliefs, in this timeline, they donโt want people waking over their sacred artefact.
I dunno dude if I go sit under a random tree in a field somewhere and have a nice nap with magical dreams then after call that tree sacred and expect no one for the rest of time to ever touch that tree people arenโt going to to do that are they? Arenโt cows scared to Indians ? Do you eat beef? Canโt pick and choose what peoples beliefs you want to abide by itโs either all or none.
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Darelz ยท 1008 points ยท Posted at 12:02:06 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's funny how people think just because they have the right to do something that means it can't be a disrespectful thing to do. You have the legal right to be a complete ass, and everyone else has the right to call you out on that shit.
[deleted] ยท 180 points ยท Posted at 18:12:20 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well I think the people who own that land put that sign there so they are probably breaking some real law by walking there.
Trespassing probably.
Nickadeamus36 ยท 214 points ยท Posted at 21:34:07 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No. That sign is an appeal. Itโs not trespassing. Yet. An official law banning the climbing of Uluru comes into place next year.
YouAreJuanderArrest ยท 87 points ยท Posted at 21:59:12 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's not illegal (yet) by Australian law to climb the rock, but the Aboriginal people definitely do not want people climbing it. I don't think the Aboriginal people actually own the rock according to Australian law, so they can't physically stop people climbing it, but they can ask people to please not. A law is coming in that will ban climbing, but until then all they can do is sit around and watch.
binkerfluid ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:26:35 on November 6, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The rock will be there long after we are all gone.
PieFlinger ยท 73 points ยท Posted at 23:25:34 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Unfortunately they don't own the land, because it was stolen from them.
George-Spiggott ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 00:37:58 on September 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Every piece of land occupied by humans was stolen by someone.
PieFlinger ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:39:23 on September 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yep :(
rnykal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:49:07 on December 30, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
property is theft
George-Spiggott ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:39:26 on December 30, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nope.
rnykal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:06:51 on December 30, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
i thought it derived pr naturally from your comment but ยฏ\_(ใ)_/ยฏ
George-Spiggott ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:10:45 on December 30, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nope, you might want to try a remedial reading course.
rnykal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:07:11 on December 30, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
https://i.imgur.com/pevSPn4.gif
George-Spiggott ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:36:18 on December 31, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So how is the course going? I see you are almost half way through the alphabet.
rnykal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:00:53 on December 31, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
i'm just curious how you can admit that every piece of property occupied by humans was stolen and still consider private property a valid construct, guess that makes me illiterate. boom roasted
George-Spiggott ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:14:35 on January 1, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
So you don't know the difference between "stolen", and "stolen by the current occupant". Boom, sauteed in butter.
rnykal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:10:04 on January 1, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
ya my neighbor's dog gave me his wife's dildo, she keeps asking for it back but like fuck you finders keepers amirite lmao
George-Spiggott ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:20:34 on January 1, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
False analogy for the lose.
PS your neighbor's dog's penis isn't a dildo so stop shoving it up your bum.
George-Spiggott ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 00:37:03 on September 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Some things don't deserve respect. The native people are showing disrespect to the entire human race by claiming that a rock is sacred.
ASEKMusik ยท 67 points ยท Posted at 07:27:58 on September 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
bro, you are legitimately r/fuckthesepeople material and i don't know if you don't understand that irony or not.
George-Spiggott ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 07:33:46 on September 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
So you don't think it is ludicrous to consider a rock sacred? Well then you're simply a moron, and you are disrespecting the entire human race by existing. You are part of the problem.
You are legitimately r/fuckthesepeople material, the people who have, do, and will always make the world a worse place; the people who either use or condone magical thinking. You are part of the problem that brought us the inquisition, that held back scientific discovery for millenia, that have do, and always will be a force for degradation. You should be fucking ashamed of yourself.
The very word "sacred" should only be used to describe insane people, and their beliefs.
PS my posts on reddit are sacred, don't disrespect them.
PPS it is a fucking rock you dickhead..
ASEKMusik ยท 71 points ยท Posted at 07:38:29 on September 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
i don't think it's ludicrous to not want to be a fucking dickhead to the native population that cherishes a specific rock. what kicks do you get out of being a shitstain on the underwear of humanity? i guess society would be so much better if everyone were like you, huh?
George-Spiggott ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 07:55:51 on September 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But you do think it is OK to be a dickhead by supporting the most destructive kind of thinking humans have ever been capable of. You are the one being a shitstain on the entire human race.
Society would certainly be better if nobody was like you, if nobody pandered to ludicrous magical thinking. You are part of the problem; you and your ilk have held back humanity for millenia, and you disgust me. You are scum.
Hyperactive_Man ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 00:34:58 on October 1, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
r/fuckthisperson
Dewy_Wanna_Go_There ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 07:36:56 on November 6, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You went a little over the top with the insults, but I gotta agree; who the fuck claims a giant ass rock perfect for climbing shouldnโt be climbed.
My great grandpa planted a giant ass oak tree in what is now my backyard, I climbed that shit every day when I was little and eventually nailed boards into it and made a tree house. Some of my family got mad.
I donโt think heโs looking down and thinking โthat fucker is ruining muh sacrednessโ
binkerfluid ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:28:26 on November 6, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
Yeah, Im torn on it. I mean its a dick move to disrespect what they find sacred but on the other hand its natural land and who is someone else to say you cant use it (as long as you dont damage it) because their religion?
I get that they were there first but that rock was there long before us and is going to be there long after all of us are gone who is to say that any of us can actually own it?
I mean its off limits to climb a peak because its sacred but on the other hand how many people would say its A-OK to draw Muhammad or have art like Piss Christ? Those are considered sacred by people as well and we, for the most part, dont care at all.
George-Spiggott ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:11:22 on November 6, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
They have legal control the place so when the ban on climbing starts we should respect it, there is no reason to respect the childish reason for the ban though. And disrespecting childish horse shit is hardly a dick move. Drawing Muhammad or have art like Piss Christ is A-OK by me, again there is no reason to respect childish beliefs.
Hyperactive_Man ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 00:32:10 on October 1, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I tend to treat these sort of request like rules or laws. Not like a please keep of the grass thing in a park that's put there because of some cunt city planner but because the amount of disrespect in that photo discusts me, fuck these people
George-Spiggott ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:31:11 on October 1, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So disregarding regulations based on the common good is OK, but reflexively following requests based on magical thinking is peachy keen.
r/fuckthisperson
Hyperactive_Man ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 06:14:54 on October 1, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lol trying to fire back since I already responded to one of your comments with it eh
George-Spiggott ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 08:51:27 on October 1, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lol? What are you, 5?
Hyperactive_Man ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 12:03:58 on October 1, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Uh 9 actually, my PewDiePie subscription should make it obvious
George-Spiggott ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 12:51:55 on October 1, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry I don't know what a PewDiePie subscription is.
Is it something that allows you to be bathed in irrational thought?
Lebowskerino ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:53:54 on October 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is old but you're 100% right. Having an arbitrary hard on with a piece of hill is nonsensical.
George-Spiggott ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:16:18 on October 18, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yep
Corruptoration ยท -52 points ยท Posted at 14:11:18 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm going to sound like an asshole, but isn't this just a tad SJW-esque?
To clarify, yes it's a people's culture, but no one is being harmed, and as long as they're not littering, what damage are they doing?
altitude11 ยท 101 points ยท Posted at 14:31:04 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, thereโs pretty clearly a worn path and people have done some terrible things to natural formations in parks across the world without littering. The balancing rock pushed over in Brimham UK comes to mind.
Itโs not so much that itโs harming people but more about respect, etiquette and preservation.
Incognanusible ยท -34 points ยท Posted at 14:56:26 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Respect, etiquette and preservation are all things that are defined differently across cultures, not too mention, the signs in English and who knows where all the people in the photo or that visit the site on a regular basis.
Unless their traditional law is enforced, they wasted money on the sign and feels.
kyleh0 ยท 59 points ยท Posted at 15:08:52 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"Please don't do that" is pretty much universal through all cultures.
Incognanusible ยท -30 points ยท Posted at 15:11:02 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you speak English, you're right. What if you don't speak English?
What does "Please don't do that" mean if you can't read it?
sirbyersthe1st ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 10:05:56 on July 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But thatโs not the point to this argument. Itโs about respecting the people of the land and their heritage.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:06:14 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Fiberdonkey5 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 15:24:18 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"please don't climb" it's literally the first thing on the sign.
altitude11 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 15:26:21 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ya got me
Darelz ยท 56 points ยท Posted at 15:37:36 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think so. There are plenty of mountains and hills out there to climb, so to climb this one despite knowing it's sacred to a group of people is just rude. It's like if someone bakes a bunch of cupcakes, each of which has a different flavour, and your celiac friend says "Please don't eat the blueberry one, it's my favourite flavour and the blueberry cupcake is one of the only gluten free cupcakes," but then you ate the blueberry one anyway despite not being celiac and liking other flavours just as much. You were completely within your rights to eat the blueberry cupcake as the cupcakes were available to everyone to eat, but picking the blueberry one when you know how much your friend wanted it is just rude, especially since you would've been just as happy with any other cupcake. When there's so little cost to avoid upsetting others, why wouldn't you? To completely ignore the wishes of others is such a selfish attitude.
FlashOfTheBlade77 ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 17:54:51 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is example is too detailed not to have actually happened to you. Sorry you did not get your blueberry cupcake. Need better friends.
Darelz ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:52:41 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not even a fan of blueberry or a celiac, aha. I suppose I just have an overactive imagination ;P
FlashOfTheBlade77 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:34:54 on July 18, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
try some creative writing. My wife loves it
Emperor_Neuro ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:35:48 on August 13, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, there are. But, to play devil's advocate, this is the largest rock in the world. It has an appeal far beyond that of a typical hill anywhere else. It's a bit like saying "there's plenty of women in the world to go to dinner with, so why would anyone want to eat with Queen Elizabeth?"
George-Spiggott ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:41:36 on September 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Mt Augustus is the largest rock.
Why would anyone want to eat with Queen Elizabeth?
George-Spiggott ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:39:29 on September 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That is a reason to disrespect something.
Some people "wish" to climb it.
PadBunGuy ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:53:39 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Do those people actually own that land? If not I don't see what right they have to ask others not to hike it.
Atlusfox ยท 150 points ยท Posted at 16:39:33 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I can relate, I live in a tourist town. We have are share of wet lands, preserves, historical land marks just like any other, and it really is a shame how many people just don't care because they don't live in the area.
VesilahdenVerajilla ยท 368 points ยท Posted at 05:08:14 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What about dropping from a helicopter?
uselesstriviadude ยท 116 points ยท Posted at 11:28:23 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I guess technically you wouldn't have climbed up there, so it's okay?
Octolord42 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:04:35 on November 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You just can't walk anywhere but downhill
[deleted] ยท 78 points ยท Posted at 19:04:01 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As an Australian I am aware that the country overall simply does not care about our indigenous population and they are viewed as a pest. I am not saying this is right or I agree with it but the country as a whole tends to sweep the aborigines under the rug. Prime minister Kevin Rudd is often criticised for saying sorry to the stolen generation and there is much resentment for native land title. This image is testimony to the truth.
PAWG_Muncher ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 08:16:38 on July 18, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No he's not
BonfireCow ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 00:22:02 on July 18, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I donโt know which state youโre in but from what I see, weโve gotten much better at representing aboriginal people here in Australia, sure youโve still got your arseholes but the large majority of people are accepting of aboriginal people, these people in this picture are probably just some dumb tourists who have no respect or just canโt read English
Vokayl ยท 400 points ยท Posted at 05:50:09 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I donโt think that is important if someone is owning the land or not, itโs all a matter of respect for other cultures
[deleted] ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 18:14:06 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think the culture in question owns the land, they put a sign on it.
George-Spiggott ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:42:26 on September 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Some cultures don't deserve respect. A rock is sacred? FFS.
upvoteguy6 ยท -173 points ยท Posted at 06:35:06 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But what if you don't agree with that culture and their beliefs?
Why must my culture conform to another culture?
Vokayl ยท 186 points ยท Posted at 06:46:08 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You are right, but if you donโt like that culture I donโt think that you go to their religious places. Itโs like if someone is not Christian but still goes to a church and do shit all around the place
upvoteguy6 ยท -172 points ยท Posted at 07:43:13 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But it's not a church. It's a big rock.
ihitrockswithammers ยท 182 points ยท Posted at 09:14:59 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Most churches are big piles of strategically arranged rock.
fifaislife206 ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 13:01:58 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is awesome and works on many levels.
ex: People are just strategically arranged proteins.
AlDeezy1 ยท 71 points ยท Posted at 08:45:45 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There are plenty of other big rocks to climb on. Why do you need to climb on this one?
upvoteguy6 ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 19:40:56 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly! The original owners can find a new rock.
meaty_mc-loaferson ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 21:12:01 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You do realize this rock was made by spirits?
In their religion this rock was made by 10spirits.
Just try to tell me some rock I find in the ditch is the same as a block of gold.
upvoteguy6 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:29:09 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So the spirits only made one big rock? That's pretty much a useless Spirit.
Maybe they made more rocks
meaty_mc-loaferson ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:38:08 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Can somebody please tell me in this religion is there any other mountain that is made by 10basically gods?
10$ says no.
upvoteguy6 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:45:20 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well maybe the 10 spirits enjoy all the tourists coming to visit their rock.
meaty_mc-loaferson ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:17:24 on July 19, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You could just appreciate it from the bottom, where the people who follow the religion, know more about it than both of us, and are actually offended to some degree. Say you should stand.
upvoteguy6 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 22:48:10 on July 19, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Indigenous Aboriginal people are not very smart, so I doubt their religious beliefs are any smarter.
Case in point. They worship a rock.
meaty_mc-loaferson ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:00:05 on July 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That is just racist.
bobthecookie ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:00:19 on August 1, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So where did you study comparative religions? You're clearly an educated white man, how else could you make such intelligent points? The lesser races aren't capable of such feats.
calamarimatoi ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:57:35 on July 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Religion is stupid and baseless. Congratulations on your new discovery, absolutely shocking.
probablyhrenrai ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 07:58:34 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Gotcha. To be clear then, there's nothing wrong with putting a pipeline through the Black Hills in South Dakota, despite those hills being sacred ground for Native Americans (specifically the Sioux, iirc)?
kahula_and_milk ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:10:53 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why should sacricity be a reason for anything? And why canโt I avoid my student loans by claiming my money is sacred?
possessed_flea ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:49:55 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Because that's how cults work and not religions .
Now if declare your money scared and then you die you may have a leg to stand on
sploding_burnout ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 20:58:32 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Because religious value is protected and observed in almost all countries and cultures. Native Americans were banned from practicing their religions for centuries and the government attempted to commit a genocide of the natives, a pipleine going through sacred land is bad and should be avoided, especially when the government is simply taking the land without consent.
You on the other hand chose to go to college and acquire debts, you consented to owe money and participated in a transaction so religiosity has nothing to do with it.
George-Spiggott ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:22:22 on November 6, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And isn't that a shame?
Fuck_Microsoft_edge ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 22:19:37 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
1st paragraph: thoughtful, egalitarian, respectful.
2nd paragraph: utter trash, apologia of a broken unjust system.
You get 0 karma. Seems fair. Reddit gets some things right.
Edit:... or not ๐คทโโ๏ธ
bobthecookie ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:01:33 on August 1, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Did you not choose to take on student debt? Did you not sign off on the loans?
upvoteguy6 ยท -115 points ยท Posted at 08:06:36 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly! The pipeline concern is about leakage. The natives have lost all their land generations ago. They really can't stand in the way of billions of dollars of revenue.
probablyhrenrai ยท 63 points ยท Posted at 08:15:04 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
To be clear, then your argument is roughly "might makes right"?
zadsar ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 10:50:46 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think he is trolling.
Fuck_Microsoft_edge ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 14:44:57 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Post/comment history suggests shit-tier human with legitimate belief in their words.
jjohnisme ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 11:35:09 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
With a name like that? Naaaaaahhh.
/s
AhmedBarwariy ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 08:37:35 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Its not about your culture having to conform to theirs. Their place, their rules. Simple as that. You can't travel to another culture and say we do things my way.
K_Pumpkin ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 12:02:58 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Then donโt go?
jesusper_99 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:39:33 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah... fuck you.
mesohappy1 ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 06:41:31 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So your culture is no respect for posted signs and doing whatever you want?
upvoteguy6 ยท -53 points ยท Posted at 06:48:15 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I normally do respect no trespassing signs. But this seems more like a tourist attraction, for some odd reason. It's just a big dirty hill, definitely not a place for knowledge, maybe meditation.
Haziera ยท 77 points ยท Posted at 07:15:42 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
...This is Uluru, or Ayer's Rock. The biggest rock in the world. It has been considered sacred by Australian Aboriginal people for over 50,000 years and plays a large role in their history and legends.
vigneshrk ยท -40 points ยท Posted at 07:35:05 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
but cmon, havent the australian aboriginal people enjoyed enough privilege historically already??
edit: is sarcasm dead now or is everybody just sensitive?
ditsobeh ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 07:38:56 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You enjoy big rock long time. My turn now.
sammypants123 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 08:04:57 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, ha ha ha.
PieFlinger ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:32:29 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Poe's law
GrahamPeters ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:28:44 on July 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You act like a tard for a few hours and then say something a tard would say, and people will think you're a tard.
BIOHAZARDB10 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 07:50:32 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, are you for real?
upvoteguy6 ยท -17 points ยท Posted at 08:08:30 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. It's a fucking rock. A big rock that people want to climb. And nobody is going to want to stand at the bottom of a big rock,people want to climb it.
BIOHAZARDB10 ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 08:16:53 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's a religious site
TomWithASilentO ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 14:04:29 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
American flags are just thin sheets of fabric. Is it cool if I use it to wipe my ass?
PieFlinger ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 14:33:09 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean yes but for different reasons
TomWithASilentO ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:55:37 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Explain how itโs different, please.
PieFlinger ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 15:02:18 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Because the flag and the country it represents have been historically pretty shitty all around and deserve to be actively disrespected
TomWithASilentO ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:03:57 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
Look, I like putting shit on America as much as the next guy. But I wouldnโt disrespect the flag that people care so much about. Unless it became a symbol of a fascist regime like the Nazi flag โ then Iโd gladly trample it and use it as a tea towel.
Same as the Bible, the Qurโan, etc.: people hold those objects as sacred and dear, and if they ask me to respect them by not desecrating their religious paraphernalia, then it would be a dog act to go ahead and do it anyway. So I respect them by respecting their religious symbols.
And for the atheists who say that religion is cancer: respect is not the same as condoning. You can respect religion/spiritual beliefs without taking part in them.
PieFlinger ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:10:54 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What would have to happen in America for you to consider it and its symbolism worthy of disdain?
TomWithASilentO ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:12:11 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thatโs a tough question that I donโt think I can answer, my dude.
minibug ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:00:43 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Killing thousands of native americans and overthrowing democratically elected governments seems pretty disdain worthy to me
PieFlinger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:12:33 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
sshhh don't spoil the twist!
PieFlinger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:26:07 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It really is. It's hard to know where your line was until it's already been passed. And there are so many ways people can be shitty, it's hard to pick without over-generalizing, but then you think maybe it's bad that most widely-applicable descriptions of harm you can think of apply to things that've already been done.
Even if you never come to a conclusion, it's good to keep in mind, you know?
meaty_mc-loaferson ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:06:16 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
New analogy.
I should be able to kill your family and use their flayed skin as a whip for bdsm?
PieFlinger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:11:48 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Bruh are you high?
meaty_mc-loaferson ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:29:03 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just made an analogy you could understand.
PieFlinger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:29:45 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Seek help
meaty_mc-loaferson ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:14:47 on July 19, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Now looking back on this 2days later I could've used a different analogy.
Really don't know what I was thinking with that.
meaty_mc-loaferson ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:42:40 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Guess my analogy didn't make sense.
ttstte ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 13:42:49 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Your home is just a mix of materials placed on land that nobody owns because no one can own the Earth. May I come over to your house and do whatever I want while I'm there?
pi_over_3 ยท -67 points ยท Posted at 11:42:31 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Religion is cancer.
Lifewillbelife ยท 60 points ยท Posted at 13:23:25 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So when's your 15th birthday?
Groenboys ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 14:06:32 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Can we just make this the standard insult for somebody who is edgy?
Savilene ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:13:24 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Can we not act like people that are against religion are edgy teens? Religion has historically done a lot of bad in this world and is legitimately a pretty terrible thing.
Groenboys ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:22:43 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I know, but it is like saying "Donald Trump is cancer". It is just trying to be edgy with no meaning behind it except of it being edgy.
Savilene ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:29:30 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, he is one of the worst presidents we've ever had and is destroying trade and faith in our country, eroding our alliances with other western nations.
EndlessRa1n ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:31:51 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, sure, but the difference here is that you elaborated, you made a point, you didn't just go "He's cancer".
Savilene ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 14:54:04 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He's basically a cancerous metaphor for American racism/xenophobia/etc so I'd say it kind of fits, still. Edgy or not it's accurate af
EndlessRa1n ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:10:59 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well yeah, it's edgy to say it that way, and less edgy to actually point out the problem you have with him.
Savilene ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:13:38 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you were from America and knew what kind of president Trump is, I don't think you'd have any issue calling him cancer.
Dontlisten2mee ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:28:41 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Holy fuck dude, can you not concede to this guy's point of "edgy = name-calling because it's cool with no backup of why" vs "name-calling for a reason and then saying what that reason is"? It's like you just have to have the last word.
Savilene ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:48 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
no u /s
Groenboys ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:36:47 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh come on, you just completely ignored my arguments with maybe implying that it isn't edgy as long it is justified. Well, if that is the case...
America is cancer
Obama is cancer
Ted cruzz is cancer
Puppies are cancer
Kittens are cancer
Healtcare is cancer
The sun is cancer
You are cancer
I am cancer
Everything is cancer and should fuck off in a hole and die.
But hey, a long it is justified, I can say whatever the fuck I want, right?
Savilene ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:52:29 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The sun literally causes cancer. Meanwhile, Trump is a cancerous metaphor for American racism and xenophobia, so, yea, those fucking work.
Groenboys ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:53:33 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I fucken quit
Dontlisten2mee ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:29:57 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He's being pedantic and can't concede at all that someone else may actually be correct. Has to have the last word. So fucking petty.
PieFlinger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:56:43 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You do realize there is some meaning behind calling something cancer, right? It means "pretty consistently bad, in a way that pervasively spreads to and ruins other things."
So on your list, the first and third fit that definition. Second might as well, depending on how many of your friends and family were killed as collateral in drone strikes.
sploding_burnout ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:06:20 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But there is a huge difference in saying "trump is cancer" and "trump is cancer because of xyz"
One is an insult thrown out with no context and one is an insult with an explanation as to why it is deserved.
PieFlinger ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:14:57 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Like if the point is "people should supply context when they're criticizing something, sure, that makes sense. But why are people so worked up with the word "cancerous" specifically?
GrahamPeters ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:30:52 on July 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh come on!
Politics and religion, in one thread. Fuck!
PieFlinger ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:33:53 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not really comparable, because your example is specific and true
Groenboys ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:41:19 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But it is unneedlessly edgy and beyond unoriginal. So what about saying "the right is cancer"?
PieFlinger ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:45:57 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Still sufficiently specific and, on average, correct
FlashOfTheBlade77 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:57:19 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ummm the older I have become (Not 37) the more and more I realize that religion is just that. How old are you to not realize conflicts in this world are 99% because of two things. Money and Religion.
Lifewillbelife ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:08:22 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Religion hasn't started as many wars as people think. Religion, by nature of its ability to link great masses of people together under one banner, makes a great and often used excuse to start wars for money, land, revenge, resources, or desire for fame.
FlashOfTheBlade77 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:37:52 on July 18, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Point still holds - Land, resources and fame really come down to money. Revenge is most likely revenge for something that someone else started over money. Then that leaves us with religion.
[deleted] ยท -104 points ยท Posted at 06:18:56 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
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AmandaTwisted ยท 67 points ยท Posted at 09:27:46 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes they are. The "culture" of westerners shitting all over native people is particularly shitty.
[deleted] ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 06:26:51 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody asked
Vokayl ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 06:22:44 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Who are you to say this
blabla_booboo ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 08:26:23 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Your face is shit
[deleted] ยท -75 points ยท Posted at 06:52:38 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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coldlava23 ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 07:18:03 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus your profile is an actual dumpster fire lmao
blabla_booboo ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 08:27:39 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Think he's doing it on purpose or hes just mentally low functioning?
coldlava23 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 08:34:13 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I hope it's the first lmao
shard1001 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 09:42:55 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Heโs a troll
[deleted] ยท -52 points ยท Posted at 08:00:52 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Zekcryon ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 08:19:14 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Those memes are only funny without any serious intent.
[deleted] ยท -38 points ยท Posted at 08:26:09 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Haha I'm not really racist. It's just a silly joke :~) clown music plays
coldlava23 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 08:34:42 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Epic style
AllHailXerxes ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:54:45 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
what the fuck
[deleted] ยท -17 points ยท Posted at 07:09:26 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
W-WHAT!!!!
I literally can't EVEN
AllHailXerxes ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 07:10:13 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
are you ok? are you off your prozac again grandpa?
KeeganWilson ยท 58 points ยท Posted at 14:37:49 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I went there a few years ago, the walk around the base was much more rewarding cuturally for me at least. Ill have other chances to get high up. But I'll never forget what I saw and learnt. Respect your native peoples.
George-Spiggott ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:43:03 on September 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why?
noni_veritas ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 04:20:52 on October 3, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why not respect native peoples George?
George-Spiggott ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:34:52 on October 3, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why respect people based on their race?
[deleted] ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 08:56:02 on October 3, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs not about their race. Itโs about respecting a culture that has existed in the area for much longer than the settler culture. Itโs about acknowledging how much settlers fucked them over and trying to make amends for that.
You are all over this thread and I donโt understand why youโre so worked up about being asked to respect a cultural landmark.
George-Spiggott ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:55:58 on October 3, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why respect something simply because it has existed for a long time?
I've never fucked anyone over, and have nothing to make amends for. So stick your self hatred up your bum.
Please keep your outrage to yourself, answering a few posts hardly adds up to being "worked up".
I donโt understand why youโre so worked up about being asked to respect reason. It isn't sacred, a ludicrous concept. It is a rock.
noni_veritas ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 00:56:40 on October 4, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Mate I know you think you sound like Peter Cook, but you only sound like the sad angry little man that you are. You clearly don't receive the respect you think you deserve from the world and are seriously mad about it.
George-Spiggott ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:46:58 on October 4, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Stop projecting your own character flaws onto others you sad sad child.
noni_veritas ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 05:55:30 on October 4, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If respecting indigenous peoples wishes is a character flaw then I am deeply flawed I guess.
George-Spiggott ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:41:07 on October 4, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If racism is a flaw then yes you are flawed.
tux68 ยท 111 points ยท Posted at 05:22:20 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How long until this one is posted to the sub again, but for the missing comma between "law" and "climbing" instead?
kittenwhisp3r ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 05:49:09 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hey guys do you want to go law climbing?
Weโre going to go scale the Supreme Court building!
FanndisTS ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 17:51:20 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Very grateful for all the people saying "it's just a rock". I'd started to suspect that Reddit was mostly populated by decent people; thank you all for ridding me of that notion.
meaty_mc-loaferson ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 21:04:03 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This sub has a surprising amount of horrible people on it.
George-Spiggott ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:44:30 on September 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ohhhhhhhhhh it's a maaaagggicalll rock.
[deleted] ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 08:56:21 on October 3, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
God you seem like a miserable person.
George-Spiggott ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:49:31 on October 3, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like you have a problem with projection.
Get out of the house, get some fresh air, and exercise. You'll probably feel much better.
PS God doesn't exist, you utter loony.
angeliswastaken ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 18:01:40 on August 2, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No ones should own land like this. All humans deserve to see nature, it belongs to all of us.
kyleh0 ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 15:02:04 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This picture pretty much sums up all of colonial history, right?
faroveryou ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:50:42 on August 30, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think this picture doesn't do the violent, genocidal imperiousness of colonialism justice in the least.
kyleh0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:24:57 on August 30, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Heh, probably not, there isn't a trail of dead native bodies for the tourists to step over.
FartBringerer ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 05:27:37 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
โRace you to the top!โ
RussianLeprechaun99 ยท 67 points ยท Posted at 05:11:04 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck these people is right but hell what can you do with out law being enforced.
EdwardoSuperTramp ยท 113 points ยท Posted at 05:18:39 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
The law says nothing about not being allowed to climb it
๐๏ธ outdatedopinion ยท 90 points ยท Posted at 06:25:35 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
They are banning it completely from next year.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-01/uluru-climbs-banned-after-unanimous-board-decision/9103512
pi_over_3 ยท -57 points ยท Posted at 11:44:18 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Another loss for separation of church and state.
PieFlinger ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 14:35:54 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They don't let you climb on Stonehenge either. Do you think the UK government is catering too heavily to Pagans?
bobthecookie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:06:50 on August 1, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. The pagan heretics need to burn.
[deleted] ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 12:28:27 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Even if you get up in arms about that, it's still an Australian landmark. And regardless of how you feel about the cultural significance of it, people walking all over it damages it. Same reason you're not meant to walk on reefs. You damage it and it fucks it up. It's not as if we can fix a giant rock. So we stop people walking on it. Which, as an added bonus, stops people FALLING OFF AND DYING. Can't rope off the top. Ban it completely and it solves that problem. You fell off and you died? Too fucking bad. It's banned. Not our problem. Not everything is just pandering to religion. You seem to have a stick up your ass about that.
pi_over_3 ยท -29 points ยท Posted at 13:37:38 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This argument only holds water if hiking is banned everywhere, not selectively based on religion.
lolinokami ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 17:07:55 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No it doesn't, banning certain behaviors on certain historical landmarks is not connected to religion in any way. It's for protection of the property and a location of cultural significance. If you think you should be allowed to damage an important landmark just because you don't adhere to the beliefs that hold it as sacred land then you are an entitled piece of shit and deserve to be shamed on this sub as well.
pi_over_3 ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 19:58:26 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In this case it explicitly is, the you and the other user even admit it.
lolinokami ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:20:48 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
What the fuck are you talking about. First off no, I very explicitly said it isn't related to religion, especially not in the sense of separation of church and state. Separation of Church and State just bans the establishment by different of an official religion, it says nothing about religious congressman voting for or against something based on their religious views. Second off not allowing people to deface a landmark, sacred or otherwise, is no more about religion than making it illegal to vandalize a mosque or other place of worship. The government can and should protect and respect the nonviolent views and customs of a culture or religion against cunts like you who want to deface them just to be a cunt and make your cunty point. Cunt.
pi_over_3 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:11:13 on July 18, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think you have more personal attacks in your comments than arguments. Probably because it's hard to defend government endorsement of religion.
lolinokami ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:29:11 on July 18, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Protecting the rights of a group that owns private land is the government's job, whether or not the group that owns said land is religious or not. Just because the group is religious doesn't suddenly mean they lose those protections.
And yeah, I called you a cunt because you're acting like a cunt. But it's not ad hominem because I'm not making baseless slanderous statements or using it as my argument. I'm making an argument that you're not providing any real counterpoints to and also appending the fact that you're being a cunt.
ttstte ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:44:14 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Is separation of church and state a big deal in Australia?
Woodie626 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 05:50:03 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If we only had another law, maybe they wouldn't have broken the law
George-Spiggott ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:45:51 on September 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have a traditional law, it says fuck stupid traditions.
uselesstriviadude ยท -17 points ยท Posted at 11:30:43 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Gun control in a nutshell.
PieFlinger ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:37:19 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Actually no, gun control in a nutshell is "AAAHH ALL THESE BLACK PEOPLE ARE OPEN-CARRYING IN OAKLAND IN THE 60s AND THAT SCARES ME"
uselesstriviadude ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:38:36 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Once again bringing race into a conversation where it doesn't belong. Your narrative is getting tiring.
Fuck_Microsoft_edge ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:48:37 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But... that's literally how it went down.
uselesstriviadude ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 15:00:30 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What are you even talking about? How does that have any bearing on this post or comment thread?
Fuck_Microsoft_edge ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:13:31 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You tell me. You started this idiotic thread.
uselesstriviadude ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 15:16:28 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Um, no i'm not? Are you confused? Maybe you need to take your meds?
Fuck_Microsoft_edge ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:26:02 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You brought gun control into it (r/nobodyasked). That was the start of this strange tangent. You're the one who de-railed relevant discussion, friend.
uselesstriviadude ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:38:44 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I drew a parallel to a related topic, while all you did was bring up some anecdotal story to try to push an agenda.
Fuck_Microsoft_edge ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:58:17 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
...umm... that wasn't me.
Correcting the historical context of gun control isn't bringing up "some anecdotal story" either. Who is pushing "an agenda" here? I think it might be the angry revisionist (that's you btw).
uselesstriviadude ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:05:18 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Whatever, same difference.
The only historical context that matters is the Constitution of the United States. Thanks for playing.
Fuck_Microsoft_edge ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:06:55 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What did I win?
uselesstriviadude ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:09:06 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Losers don't get prizes. Sorry.
Woodie626 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:49:41 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How is walking up a hill related to guns. It isn't. You brought it up, now you're bitching about how it's not your topic, but it is, you opened the door. Accept the responsibility of topic change, or just be a better lurker.
You never have to reply to anything.
uselesstriviadude ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:59:17 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's not... I was replying to a comment, not the post itself.
Right, I brought up gun control and you hijacked my comment to make it all about race. I'm not going to respond anymore because you obviously have something wrong with your brain. Have a nice day.
Woodie626 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:05:50 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus dude, that was the other guy, check a username every once in a while, you might see I'm the one whose comment YOU derailed by bringing up guns in the first place.
Maybe no more internet today?
uselesstriviadude ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:06:55 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You're all part of the same hivemind. It doesn't matter.
Woodie626 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:10:42 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't care about that. You got pissed about comment derailment, when you yourself are the initial perpetrator. You're a fucking hippocrate. So it doesn't matter.
Fuck_Microsoft_edge ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:17:21 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Race you back to the hive. ๐๐
Woodie626 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:24:57 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Aww, no fair you had a headstart!
Fuck_Microsoft_edge ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:04:36 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Do you ever read usernames? Do you think you are one of only 2 people commenting on the whole of Reddit?
uselesstriviadude ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:07:12 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You're all part of the same retarded hive mind. It's all the same.
TheRepenstein ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 05:46:03 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It reminds me of this
ChimaekIsDelish ยท 186 points ยท Posted at 06:51:09 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
$5 says these are Chinese tourists.
Mainland Chinese truly don't give a fuck about anyone or anything. No manners, no culture (almost literally โ the Communist Party stripped much of that away), and an unbelievably arrogant disposition. Away from the watchful eye of the People's Liberation Army, they'll wreck your shit big time. They're goddamn animals.
Mind you, people from Taiwan, Hong Kong, and Macau are decent, polite, and respectful. They'll make a reasonable effort to respect local customs and culture, and they're great to have around. If you see a tidy, well-maintained tour bus coming your way, and it's got traditional Chinese characters printed on it, you're probably in good company.
But mainland Chineseโฆ Woe unto anyone confronted with a janky, soot-belching tour bus covered in simplified Chinese characters.
Fev83 ยท 101 points ยท Posted at 11:46:03 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hey man Iโm from Australia, this is Uluru a scared indegenious place, Iโve been there twice and HAVNT climbed it, the aboriginals have very few sacred places that have been given back by whites, yet white people and tourists continue to climb it even tho itโs disrespectful. Even tourism board of Australia is against it and promotes to not do it
YouAreJuanderArrest ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 21:51:01 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yup it's fucking infuriating, especially when Australians do it because they fucking know about the Aboriginal people and their culture. Went there in year eleven with the rest of my year level (~120 people) and only people who didn't want to climb, other than those who physically couldn't, were me and one other girl. We had been told numerous times before going that the Aboriginal people there didn't want people climbing it and how it was a sacred place for them but that didn't stop anyone.
Luckily it had been bucketing down pretty heavily the night before and the native people had decided it was too dangerous to climb.
[deleted] ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 12:23:42 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Also it's dangerous. You chase after a hat at the top and you don't stop running. You run straight off the edge and bounce all the way down. Maybe you live, maybe you don't. Have fun
SomnambulisticTaco ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:54:24 on November 13, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yet another thing that is dangerous af in Australia.
008286 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:57:49 on December 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I had a friend climb it with her Dad after the ban was in the news again recently. It made me view her and other people I have talked to about it very differently.
George-Spiggott ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:46:34 on September 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sacred? Grow up.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:23:26 on November 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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George-Spiggott ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:34:27 on November 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Childish beliefs are childish.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:40:27 on November 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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George-Spiggott ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:14:11 on November 26, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
Adults with childish beliefs don't deserve to have those beliefs respected. You do realise that we are talking about a rock, right?
techgineer13 ยท -24 points ยท Posted at 12:18:08 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Huh. A scared rock. Interesting.
ChimaekIsDelish ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 14:09:05 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You do realize the mountain that Mt. Rushmore was carved from is sacred to the Lakota, right?
upvoteguy6 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:46:20 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You do realize mount Rushmore has slave owners carved into the mountain? It's crazy!
[deleted] ยท 74 points ยท Posted at 07:57:28 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
From what I see from zooming in a lot of these trespassers are white. I think it's just the sheep mentality at work here.
Masteredog360 ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 10:34:18 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Each person probably saw other people climbing it and thought that if they can climb it why can't we
Soudie23 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 11:35:05 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You actually are allowed to climb it.
techgineer13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:18:26 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Read the sign.
Soudie23 ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 12:25:51 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโve been there. Youโre allowed to climb it. Under their โtraditional lawโ itโs not done. There is even handrails to the top
They donโt like you doing it, but they like tourist dollars more
ChimaekIsDelish ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 08:10:26 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They're fair-skinned. The shot is too blurry to infer more than that.
faceoh ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 11:22:33 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There's quite a few people in the shot who have blonde/light colored hair.
lolinokami ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 17:13:22 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes because hair being an unnatural color is completely impossible today. No one in the world has hair that is not a natural color.
faceoh ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:00:15 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Have you ever been to Shanghai or Beijing before? I can almost guarantee you will zero Asians with blonde hair. Obviously, yes, someone can dye their but it's definitely no as common over there than it is in Western, European countries.
lolinokami ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:11:37 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just making the point that it exists. I'm not taking sides in this because Chinese or not, fuck these people. But using hair color as a determining factor of race is about as valid as using clothes.
DanyulSnow ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 09:46:10 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But you infer they're Chinese?
ChimaekIsDelish ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:04:42 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, I'm betting on it. A gamble. I don't know.
Zarrockar ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 00:36:21 on July 18, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
LMAO you racist fuck, it's pretty obvious from this picture that most of the people there are white. You can see that some of them literally have blonde hair and fair skin (I dare you to find me a single Chinese person that has that combination). Also the choice of clothing being worn is quite different from what mainland Chinese wear anyways. And even if they do look Chinese to you, who is to say that they are not Australians of Chinese descent, or from other countries? You are just looking for an excuse to be racist, and attaching the "mainland" before Chinese is a poor veil of your true intentions. As others who have actually been there have pointed out, most of the people who climb there are locals. At least people are calling you out. "It's a gamble" my ass.
ChimaekIsDelish ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:44:02 on July 18, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
China is infamous for churning out remarkably shitty tourists. It's not racist to point out an actual fact, and it's no more racist than calling Americans ignorant, ethnocentric assholes. (In a lot of ways, Chinese are the new Americans, actually.)
This isn't a dig against any ethnicity. It's got a lot to do with nationality, though. Aussies of Chinese descent would behave like any other Aussies.
chillaxdude7 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 08:29:52 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Man, I would bet more than $5
Bladewing10 ยท 78 points ยท Posted at 11:48:31 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs funny how Reddit shits on religion but somehow native beliefs are sacrosanct.
BaroqueBourgeois ยท 85 points ยท Posted at 16:37:17 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just because your stupid sky man is imaginary doesn't mean I'm going to shit in the pews of your church
Keatosis ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 20:09:03 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Rule one: don't be a dick
I agree entirely
mollymuppet78 ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 16:59:24 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is really the best reply so far.
Keatosis ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 20:07:37 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well they don't proselytize, they don't condemn. They just want to believe what they want in peace and don't impose it on you. That's the difference. If you're not an ass about it I don't really care what you believe.
mrpickle123 ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 13:17:11 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think because in this case it would be very easy to respect these beliefs by climbing literally anything the fuck else. I think most folks would agree regardless of whose name or beliefs were on that sign, a polite request to not disrespect a single hilltop should be honored, it's just basic human decency.
Soudie23 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 14:41:01 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Literally anything the fuck else?
Itโs probably the tallest point and only thing of note for 500 miles. I get respecting their customs but you make it sound like itโs the one fruit you shouldnโt eat in garden of Eden.
Itโs a rock, if you want to charge people to get in you gotta make it worth their while. If I want to climb and am ALLOWED to climb it, donโt think youโre going to guilt me into not climbing it. Their culture finds it sacred, other cultures like to climb things.
What if some tribe or monastery found K2, Everest, and Kilimanjaro sacred? Should we not climb those either.
BonfireCow ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 00:25:50 on July 18, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
โIf I want to climb, Iโm ALLOWED to climbโ
What if your landlord or bank, or even government just went up to your house and just, kicked the shit out of everything in your house. Just because they wanted to, theyโre allowed to
Soudie23 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:33:28 on July 18, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well if youโve ever been there you will also see signs saying you are allowed to climb, the locals would just prefer you not. So unlike all of those things you just mentioned, you are allowed to actually do it
qqqzzzeee ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:31:23 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Kilimanjaro and Everest are sacred to the cultures there
Soudie23 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:35:28 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And we still climb them...
qqqzzzeee ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:26:35 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, and they aren't asking us not to.
mrpickle123 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:01:01 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As someone said below, I think those are indeed sacred to other cultures, but in such a way they are meant to be climbed and overcome (including afaik foreigners) so hardly applicable here. There's no sign on any of these asking pls don't climb thx. They're also some of the tallest mountains in the world, not just in this chunk of the outback, sooooo... bit of a false equivalency innit? I'd like to think if they WERE declared sacred, I personally wouldn't have a problem, even if climbing big-ass mountains was my thing. There's other big-ass mountains. But it seems a culture that has already spent centuries oppressed, abused and pushed into the tiniest shittiest region of what was once their land asking for people (often the same people who, to them, represent their former conquerors) not to climb the one solitary hillside they don't even seem to litigate irks you? I like hiking too dude, but it's a big globe. I'm no expert on the subject but I feel like this is an easy choice from an ethical and even just moral standpoint. If roles were reversed and that was my culture's sacred mountain, I'd find it hard not to hate outsiders after seeing such a large display of apathy towards my people.
auto-xkcd37 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:01:09 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Bleep-bloop, I'm a bot. This comment was inspired by xkcd#37
mrpickle123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:02:48 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like my third wife. Good bot.
Soudie23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:12:18 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well it is a the largest monolith in the world so itโs not really a false equivalency. And the point still remains the owners allow people to climb it and even installed a handrail.
toppolinos ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 14:02:24 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
For me it's more than about religion. It's just another way that aboriginals have been fucked over. They don't even have autonomy over their own sacred rock. The government still allows people to climb something that doesn't legally or ethically belong to them.
George-Spiggott ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:48:19 on September 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sacred? Grow up.
PieFlinger ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 14:40:11 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's more like, "hey, we stole most of these peoples' land, genocided them a little bit, and kidnapped their children and forced them into boarding schools. Can we at least resist from climbing this really cool rock they're so fond of?"
Keatosis ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:09:56 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's really not much to ask. Like you're not going to find a maui Betsy Devos
๐๏ธ outdatedopinion ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 11:49:52 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I thought native beliefs are religion?
Bladewing10 ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 11:51:17 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thatโs my point
ThatGuyTheyCallAlex ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:32:38 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs not really a religion. There are no rules, sins or any of that.
Itโs mainly just beliefs on how things came to e, like who created the land, the animals etc.
๐๏ธ outdatedopinion ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:35:27 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't that exactly what religion is? :)
ThatGuyTheyCallAlex ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:15:13 on July 18, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs not really what I would call a religion, but maybe.
In my eyes a religion has sins, someone to worship.
The aboriginals donโt worship anyone or have any sins, itโs kinda just like mythology and legends, more than beliefs that everyone follows...
Cgaunvy ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:49:05 on July 19, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What if I told you every religion is mythology and legend?
kyleh0 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:05:10 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Is Reddit just one person? I'm confused.
mrpickle123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:43:47 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Boy, you'd think the "I think" would give it away as opinion, but methinks we'd've thunk wrong.
muzik_23 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:53:28 on August 13, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like someone should should take advantage of all the cars left unattended
mysweetandsourchild ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:35:48 on September 18, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
WHY DOESNT THIS HAVE AT LEAST 100 UPVOTES
ditsobeh ยท 69 points ยท Posted at 07:42:31 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This post really pulled all the racist people from the woodworks.
[deleted] ยท -15 points ยท Posted at 14:51:18 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
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Keatosis ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:10:46 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's a logical fallacy, saying that one rock is equivalent to the Pacific ocean
The_Eggs_Man ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:11:15 on July 18, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They never said it was racist to ignore the sign. They said this post pulled out all the racists. And they probably inferred that because of all the people saying things along the lines of "fuck these natives, what gives them the right to order people not to climb a rock?!"
milkvamp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:06:11 on July 18, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lol y'all are reaching really hard. All the comments are talking about ignoring the sign, therefore "how is it racist to ignore the sign?" Is an appropriate question. No one is saying fuck the natives either or anything about them, all the comments when I arrived were questioning the authority one has to say "the mountain belongs to us" which is legitimate and I would ask the same question regardless of the color of the people making the claim. Hence why I don't believe in nationalism or closed borders and why I think Zionism is ridiculous to say the least.
You can't have it both ways. Either you believe people can have ownership of land for religious reasons or you dont. In this case the government gave the land to the native tribes and they chose to open it up to visitors. It looks like they'll be closing it to climbers starting next year, so no one will be allowed to experience the joys of this mountain except for one group of people who claim it's theirs for religious reasons.
The_Eggs_Man ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:16:00 on July 18, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Their land was never YOUR land. It was taken from them. No one is talking about the sign. It's all about the fact some people feel superior to others. That simple. It's THEIR land. If they don't want dicks up there then they have every right to make it a crime to break their rules. You are owed nothing from these people. Their religion has nothing to do with the fact they own it. You abide by the rules of the owners or you get shown the door, respect, it's a hell of a thing.
milkvamp ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:48:12 on July 18, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Who ever said it was MY land? I literally said I don't think land belongs to anyone and somehow you twisted that into me saying "this land belongs to me and it's mine".
It is their land and they have a right to do what they want with it. I, as a fellow human with the ability to communicate with other humans, have the right to question their claim to it. Again, I do the same thing to my own people in Israel(my family literally lives in Israel and I would not join them because I don't believe in their right to own it) and to white nationalists on America who think the country is theirs(though not for religious reasons).
I understand the context and that Aborigines are the target of racism in Australia but I don't think anyone is being racist for questioning why such a large natural wonder is owned and not public like most natural wonders. If they said they should own it instead, maybe that would be racist. It is disrespectful to the owners to ignore their wishes, but I don't think it's racist, which I responded specifically to this comment and not the picture.
The_Eggs_Man ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:52:17 on July 18, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You sure as hell are acting like you and everyone should get free reign, my mistake. White Nationalists and the Natives of Australia whom have faced repeated attrocities at the hands of the people colonizing land they had no right to in the first place are not the same. Not in the slightest. Why does their religion factor into your reply? As far as I can tell, this is spiritual if anything.
milkvamp ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:20:09 on July 18, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lol on God I knew you would ignore every other point I'm making just to take pretend offense as if I said they were similar people. If you actually read what I wrote, I was clearly saying I oppose the concept in general and I'm not specifically against Aborigines owning land. Why did you choose to comment on that and not on Israel when my comments on Israel were much larger and more significant to my point? Do you think I have a right to that land?
The_Eggs_Man ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:43:34 on July 18, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why didn't I talk on the Israel comment? I don't know shit about Israel. It would be quite stupid if I talked on something I knew nothing about. Also, bullshit you knew what I would type, otherwise you wouldnt have said it, or predicted it in your comment. You're questioning their right/authority to own the land, and stacked them up against white nationalists. Call me whatever but it seems odd to me
milkvamp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:51:52 on July 18, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I literally did not do that. You're too reactionary to even discuss this with
The_Eggs_Man ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:55:47 on July 18, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
1.
(of a person or a set of views) opposing political or social liberalization or reform.
Not that. Words don't just mean what you think they do.
milkvamp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:01:53 on July 18, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh I know. You remind me of a right-winger, you could make your point ten times in a ten different ways and they'll do everything except actually talk about the point.
The_Eggs_Man ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:15:50 on July 18, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If that's how you categorize someone's political party, and not their actual beliefs, I feel so damn sorry for you. I'm actually a Left Winger. In fact, most Conservatives would hate me and my whole background.
milkvamp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:34:44 on July 18, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, again it seems like comprehension is not your strong suit.
The_Eggs_Man ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:37:13 on July 18, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Pot calling the kettle black. How about using arguments instead of calling someone a Republican and calling it a day?
meaty_mc-loaferson ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:44:41 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If they have a deed to that land they own that land.
do you have a deed to the entire fucking ocean?
Keatosis ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:04:07 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's written in clear English, it's not even poorly translated. How... HOW can you not see that?
Liamiay ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:08:47 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As they are tourists they might not understand English. That of course isn't an excuse for their disrespectful behaviour but I hope you get what I mean
Keatosis ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:42:35 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I get what you mean, I just had this friend named Josh, we were touring in tibet and he insisted that if the sign was poorly translated he didn't have to obey it
Gasmask_Boy ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 05:39:15 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is why God invented thunder . so he could say fuck these people in particular
haydukee ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:41:03 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thereโs a massive storm Iโm in right now in park city, Utah, so itโs kind of funny you say that. Bombs and blinding purple everywhere.
VladimirAnalSex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:07:13 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Blow their ear drums out!
haydukee ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:12:51 on July 18, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
*blow their ear drums.
VladimirAnalSex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:24:54 on July 18, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You should be writing books rather than commenting on Reddit.
A true intellectual like yourself shouldn't be wasting their time on Reddit.
haydukee ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:27:06 on July 18, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโve already written over 20 encyclopedias pro bono for children in need. Youโre welcome world, you should be thankful an intellectual so superior like myself exists.
VladimirAnalSex ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:29:26 on July 18, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Truly a giver. One can only hope to ascend to your level of intellect.
haydukee ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:31:09 on July 18, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ahem. Iโm done here inferior! r/iamverysmart
VladimirAnalSex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:32:14 on July 18, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for gracing me with your presence.
haydukee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:33:50 on July 18, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Blessed be thee who be blessed.
Stratostheory ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:29:48 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean the government ban on climbing it is supposed to come into effect next year
m4ttmo ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:37:22 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I always think it's weird people can just claim something as theirs or sacred and then get offended when people don't what they want. What if another old age culture says well in our long gone culture this rock was meant to be climbed. Who do you believe? What then? Do things like thing happen? If so what's the solution?
Dr_Bukkakee ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:54:54 on July 18, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I believe now itโs just a suggestion but next year it becomes law that they canโt climb.
mysweetandsourchild ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:35:02 on September 18, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yay!
mysweetandsourchild ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:32:32 on September 18, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Most people think that the asshats that do this are all tourists- nope, some white Australians just can't seem to muster the brain to realise "huh, this is a heritage site, maybe don't climb it??!?"
Kyidou ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:04:36 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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frankcastlestein ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:32:24 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
honestly that fact that a certain group of people think they have the exclusive right to a natural formation sounds much more dickish to me. I say climb away just don't ruin anything or make a mess.
ThatGuyTheyCallAlex ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 23:36:17 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They literally do have the right. The Australian government gave the land back to them because it was stolen.
frankcastlestein ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:19:21 on July 18, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
yeah I wasn't aware of that so my bad.
George-Spiggott ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:41:37 on November 6, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Conquered.
Lortep ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:45:41 on November 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Whats the Difference?
George-Spiggott ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:28:27 on November 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
One is illegal.
Lortep ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:34:55 on November 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And neither is ethically okay.
George-Spiggott ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:07:01 on November 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Then tell everyone living everywhere (including aboriginal people) that they are unethically living on conquered land. You are unethically living on conquered land. According to your own standards you are an unethical person.
Lortep ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:42:42 on November 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I am not saying that everyone who lives on conquered land is a horrible person. People shouldnt be judged or punished for the actions of their ancestors. What i am saying is that the people who originally conquered those lands were evil, at least by modern standards.
Also: I am not living on conquered ground. My home country, Liechtenstein, was peacefully purchased by our first prince, Hans Adam the first.
George-Spiggott ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:36:06 on November 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Peacefully purchased from descendants of conquerors, i.e. you are living on conquered ground.
The whole point of this thread is that aboriginal Australians supposedly have some special claim on a rock, because it was stolen off/conquered from their ancestors. Guess what? Tough shit so was every other rock in the world.
๐๏ธ outdatedopinion ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:23:25 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In 1985 the title to the rock was handed back to the traditional owners who, in turn, granted the Australian National Parks and Wildlife Service
frankcastlestein ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:19:51 on July 18, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
learn something new everyday.
AdriusBelle ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 09:54:28 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Is this Nepal?
ItGetsAwkward ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 10:05:19 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Australia.
AdriusBelle ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 10:05:36 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Okay thanks!
titanicvsiceberg ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 12:35:26 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You know what? No. The people who should go get fucked are the ones posting that sign. Fuck off with your โthis land is magicโ bullshit. I will climb a god damned rock if I want to and admire the beautiful view.
Long-Night-Of-Solace ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 15:58:23 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"My right to walk up this rock is culturally important to me, so fuck what's culturally important to others, even if it's their land!"
People like you go around believing you have some abstract way to think yourself into moral superiority, but you're all just assholes.
Cgaunvy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:55:14 on July 19, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You mean to say. . .that one individual's wants and wishes don't trump an entire group's???
PieFlinger ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 14:41:56 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like someone had too little dreamtime and too much
reamtimeFirmament1 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:15:05 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"My opinion is better than anyone else's"
ThingyYeet ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:06:36 on July 18, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Please, PLEASE develop cancer. Please.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:28:25 on January 3, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I also utterly despise him, but wishing him cancer, and doing so publicly is another low.
ThingyYeet ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:47:05 on January 5, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I regret making this comment. I just got really pissed off.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:29:55 on January 5, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I feel you, mate. I do that all the time, and am internally thankful to people who point out my mistake, so I'm trying to complete the circle.
ThingyYeet ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:15:21 on January 5, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Same here. Thanks for understanding :)
titanicvsiceberg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:49:36 on July 18, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโll climb your mom next.
DersASnakeInMahBoot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:12:45 on July 19, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
here's a link just for you
Revrant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:12:16 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Right? Screw those Anagu trying to force their outdated opinion and beliefs on everyone else.
BonfireCow ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 00:27:52 on July 18, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I fail to see how an opinion can be outdated, regardless, why do you not respect beliefs?
Are you one of those neck beard atheists?
George-Spiggott ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:59:41 on November 6, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why do you respect beliefs? Are you one of those loony magical thinkers?
BonfireCow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:09:00 on November 6, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I respect beliefs because I'm not rude to others who respect mine.
Just get over it already fuck me this post is old
George-Spiggott ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:58:11 on November 6, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So for you it is a mutual nonsense appreciation club.
BonfireCow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:59:06 on November 6, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why you gotta be such a dick man?
George-Spiggott ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:44:28 on November 6, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You are the one being a dick man.
BonfireCow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:00:42 on November 6, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
whatever gets your rocks off.
George-Spiggott ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:02:34 on November 6, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why you gotta be such a dick man?
BonfireCow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:04:31 on November 6, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
is this seriously what you do all day? I've known you're a troll this whole time but man does it ever get old? I remember doing stuff like that when I was like 8.
George-Spiggott ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:32:24 on November 6, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And you continue to be a dick man. Give it a rest.
Barkzey ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 05:27:37 on September 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Who has the authority to tell anyone they canโt climb a rock?
I respect their culture, and their decision not to climb Uluru. But I also fail to see why their belief system should apply to me? No harm is done regardless.
300Discovery ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:20:55 on November 6, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is Ularu in the Northern Terrirtory. I believe it has been or is about to be closed to climbers.
Boo_Guy ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 06:05:57 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't see anyone climbing, they're all just walking up.
So mission accomplished?
probablyhrenrai ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 08:06:53 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"Walking up" is a pretty direct translation of the primary definition of climb, so no, I'd say those people are indeed climbing.
Keatosis ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:12:26 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This reminds me of that one kid who was like "I'm not technically touching it"
Boo_Guy ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 08:14:40 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I usually associate climbing with having to use hands and feet, but you and your definition are technically correct, which is of course the best kind.
That's what I get for posting while half asleep.
probablyhrenrai ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 08:47:50 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
Reddit's quick to punish people who make stupid mistakes, and I totally understand making stupid mistakes on reddit when you're tired. You seem alright to me, though; don't take the downvotes personally, and get some sleep.
Actually, I'm tired as fuck as well. Anyway, hope you have a good one.
Boo_Guy ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 08:55:56 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well thanks, I like to try.. sometimes ;)
Wrong is wrong, I'll own up to it.
I'm going to bed any minute now, really.. it's only 4:55am here.
[deleted] ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 12:30:28 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
After hearing about the upcoming climbing ban, I travelled over 2000kmโs to climb Uluru and successfully did so a few days ago.
I would HIGHLY recommend that anybody considering doing this to do it while they have the chance. Absolutely amazing experience. Zero regrets and I really hope that they reopen the climb after tourism goes to shit so I can take my kids up there one day in future.
Donโt be guilt tripped into thinking the Aborigines care about โrespecting the landโ etc etc. Itโs all a cash cow. Money money money.
Squeaksterthefat ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 02:34:13 on July 18, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Congratulations on being one of those people this sub is about.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:36:30 on July 18, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm honoured.
Long-Night-Of-Solace ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 15:59:17 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Right so I'm supposed to trust this culturally insensitive clown instead of the actual traditional owners of the land?
Piss off.
Keatosis ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:14:05 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Tl;Dr op said "fuck you, gots mine"
Lifewillbelife ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 13:26:20 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
God forbid you respect other peoples culture and values.
[deleted] ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 13:30:11 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ditto.
Long-Night-Of-Solace ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 16:00:19 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"My right to be an asshole is more important!"
Life doesn't work that way. You're still just an asshole.
Fuck_Microsoft_edge ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 14:15:25 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Fuck_Microsoft_edge ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:21:05 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Squeaksterthefat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:32:36 on July 18, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:04:29 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How respectful of you! Haha
ThingyYeet ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:04:38 on July 18, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I hope you die. Honestly. That's the first thing that came to my mind whilst reading this.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:05:20 on July 18, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How understanding and respectful of you.
ThingyYeet ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:07:27 on July 18, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Neither of those adjectives apply to you, though.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:07:54 on July 18, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nor you apparently, which was my point.
ThingyYeet ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:10:49 on July 18, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Don't shit on people's culture and they won't shit on you.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:24:06 on July 18, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Mt Connor (an impressive similar rock) near Uluru is on private land. As far as I know, nobody climbs that because the owners say no.
Kata Tjuta, also near Uluru, is another impressive collection of rock formations. Nobody climbs those because the signs say no.
The Uluru climb can be closed at the ownerโs discretion for a various number of reasons. When the sign says โClimb is closedโ, nobody climbs it.
The reason the owners donโt simply permanently close the climb themselves = Less tourist dollars.
The reason they pressure the Government into banning it for them = A banned climb has less expenses + better PR.
The reason I chose to climb = The owners are full of shit with their respect argument. Itโs about money.
Thereโs also the whole โnegative environmental impactโ thing which I strongly disagree with too.
But whatever, I guess my crime is worth the death penalty in your eyes. I find it interesting that you donโt find the tiniest bit of irony in that.
Soudie23 ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 14:43:45 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I agree. I came from Florida to climb that damn thing. I mean I didnโt piss of the top or throw beer cans from it but damn climbing shit is a milestone in my culture. Praying to a rock is theirs. Different strokes for different folks and you shouldnโt feel bad
The_Eggs_Man ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:23:41 on July 18, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Translation: fuck these natives, I wanna prioritize my meaningless goals and make them unhappy, I am more important than other people, who have already seen enough tegedy and disrespect. You are an insensitive, self important dick.
Soudie23 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:31:25 on July 18, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why are my goals and personal challenges less important than their religious beliefs?
The_Eggs_Man ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:43:28 on July 18, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Because it's their fucking land, you dick.
Soudie23 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:57:32 on July 18, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And they fucking charge admission to and allow people to walk on it you dipshit. Thatโs why the installed fucking handrails up the side of the goddamn thing.
They donโt climb it because their beliefs donโt allow it.
The_Eggs_Man ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:05:23 on July 18, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Same as a water park charges you to be there, but you don't fucking run down the slides just because there isn't a law against doing it. They charge you to be able to be on that land you moron. You wanna know why they have hand rails? Because even though you're an uncompromising cunt they still value your safety, all while you give them the finger, real considerate you dick.
Soudie23 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:15:39 on July 18, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not the same thing at all. There are definitely rules about running down the slide. Itโs not even a little bit forbidden to walk up the rock. Next year supposedly they are outlawing it and Iโm sure people will stop walking up. But quit acting all high and mighty because a tourist goes to a fucking mountain that he is allowed to climb and climbs it, even if a religion that he doesnโt follow doesnโt climb it. I bet you have no problem eating a hamburger in front of a Hindu
The_Eggs_Man ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:22:04 on July 18, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They are the exact same thing. There are rules about being there, not climbing the fucking mountain is one of them, dumbass. And no, people won't just stop. Because people like you exist. And always will exist. Acting high and mighty? Calling you out for being an entitled little shit isn't being high and mighty. You're not allowed to climb on it, IT'S AGAINST THE RULES! How much do you bet, and how would you like to give me that money? If someone respectfully asks me not to do something nonessential, then I'll respect their wishes. Unlike you, I have a basic understanding of respect.
Soudie23 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:30:55 on July 18, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thatโs what Iโm saying THERE ISNT A RULE AGAINST IT You are allowed to climb the fucking thing. I have been there. There are signs specifically saying it is allowed but is sacred ground to the Anangu people. They donโt climb it and donโt like others to climb it.
Do some fucking research before you spout of something as absolute fact and are willing to bet money.
I accept Cash app or Venmo
The_Eggs_Man ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:39:40 on July 18, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Under our traditional law climbing is not permitted" "Please do not climb". Also, recheck your comment. Tell me why it's so wrong to have some respect for the culture of others, why is it so important you get your way at the expense of the feeling's of others?
Soudie23 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:56:05 on July 18, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Did you even click the clink? Your dumbass is wrong. Accept it. Where shall I recheck my comment?
Under Catholic traditional law they donโt get abortions or use birth control. Itโs not the same thing as not being allowed to use it.
I feel like weโre going in circles so I think weโre done here. Iโm not saying itโs wrong to have respect at all. But climbing the largest monolith in the world is exciting and important to some people. Iโm not trashing their beliefs or throwing garbage on top of the rock. That rock has been there millions of years and will be there millions more. The climb to the top was amazing and something Iโll remember for the rest of my life. They can have their sacred beliefs and I can have my memories. The two arenโt mutually exclusive.
I will say if I wasnโt allowed to climb it I probably wouldnโt have went, and I think a lot of others probably will feel the same. Theyโve been talking about closing the climb since before I went, 8 years ago, Iโll be interested to see if theyโre is much lost revenue and if the rule actually stocks this time.
The_Eggs_Man ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:27:47 on July 18, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Recheck the betting part. Your personal joys don't out weigh the beliefs of the people who actually OWN the place. No one cares what you feel entitled to. You're still a dick, you're still being disrespectful to the people who've been fucked over the hardest throughout history. The fact that you can't show a bit of respect and prioritize your personal aspirations and beliefs over the people who even make it possible for you to be there, says a lot about you.
Cgaunvy ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:52:23 on July 19, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What about me???
Fuck_Microsoft_edge ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 22:37:29 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe you should have done your research before you left? Also, don't turn up to someone else's native land and impose your culture on it. Especially if it contravenes theirs, doubly so when theirs harms literally no one. I think the Australian Aborigines of all people have probably had their fill of shitty foreigners shitting all over their dearly held beliefs.
But hey, maybe your shitty platitudes are worth just as much. Different strokes...
Keatosis ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:19:04 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They owned that land before some dude with a gun came and took it. What if someone's religion involved raping your daughter? Different strokes amiright? /s
Soudie23 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:29:49 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That analogy makes no sense whatsoever
Keatosis ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:38:14 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe you're just too dumb to see it
meaty_mc-loaferson ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:43:03 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you have to climb something since it's "in you're culture" then at least don't disrespect a group of people who've been disrespected enough.
Soudie23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:24:02 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If they donโt want it climbed, maybe donโt install a handrail to the top
ThatGuyTheyCallAlex ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:35:09 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Theyโre removing it, it was popular to climb it a while ago, the climb rate is dropping so theyโre making it illegal next year.
albus_scirocco ยท -22 points ยท Posted at 11:06:12 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck that sacred land bullshit. Climb that shit twice.
ThingyYeet ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 01:05:47 on July 18, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'd climb Mt. Everest twice if the price was getting to punch you.
meaty_mc-loaferson ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:06:46 on July 20, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I looked at this for like 20seconds thinking about if punching him would be a price or a reward.
albus_scirocco ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:20:00 on July 18, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sure soiboi
da_predditor ยท -16 points ยท Posted at 11:34:11 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Please demonstrate this โgreat knowledgeโ. I get that the site has cultural significance but claiming it as a source of knowledge is a stretch
EndlessRa1n ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 14:43:05 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There are a great many very, very old rock paintings around the site. It's a slightly odd use of the word, but it's meant in a cultural, "history-of-our-people" way.
TomWithASilentO ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:22:34 on July 18, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
To elaborate, the Anangu people have stories for almost every part of the rock - how it was formed, what happened during the Dreamtime near it, and the importance it has to how the world was created during the Dreamtime.
It serves as a source of historical documentation for them. This is why itโs so important.
George-Spiggott ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:08:05 on November 6, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You contradict yourself.
GlammerHammer ยท -64 points ยท Posted at 05:43:18 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm of the opinion that humans shouldnโt โownโ land. Iโd walk up the hill.
Z0MGbies ยท 60 points ยท Posted at 05:51:33 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's less about ownership and more about religion and heritage. It's sacred.
Would be similar to people touching the declaration of independence with greasy fingers (although perhaps not proportionate).
homendailha ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 11:09:34 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I would sooner wipe my arse with the declaration of independence than walk up that rock tbh
PieFlinger ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 14:42:38 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hell I'd do it anyway even if they didn't let me hike the rock
homendailha ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 15:20:37 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When needs must eh
shifty313 ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 12:02:22 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's sacred to some, not everyone. The people who it's sacred to for religious reasons are obviously superstitious in some sense. Unless they actually own it people, then it's kinda fair game, it's not even of particular artful value. You want to live under other's superstitious beliefs just because you don't want to offend them? Go ahead, but it's dumb and actually impossible considering there's tons of conflicting beliefs.
Z0MGbies ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 12:41:57 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spoken like someone who has no clue about culture or religion.
toppolinos ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 14:05:21 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Or any sort of respect.
Greg-Universe ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 06:13:25 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Be blatantly disrespectful to express a personal opinion? All right, I guess
Fuck_Microsoft_edge ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:19:29 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Disrespect makes the frozen peaches sweeter.
Or so I hear.
Greg-Universe ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:32:24 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If we are talking about the American South, I'll have you know it's the overall racism that makes cobblers, sun tea and Carolina pulled pork so damn delicious. It's easy to mistake as just general disrespect though, so I'll give you that one.
Cloacation ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 06:13:48 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There are way too many people these days for this to work. If enough people visit and donโt follow rules eventually it will be covered in graffiti and trash, and any value it has will be gone.
BonfireCow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:05:41 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Too late for that
Soudie23 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 14:45:34 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs already covered with aboriginal graffiti although some people call it โartโ
Chaotic_Narwhal ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:33:16 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Property rights have made life better for mankind
GlammerHammer ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:35:44 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Personal property, say for a home, is different than owning a mountain.
Chaotic_Narwhal ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:21:09 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You said that people shouldnโt own either
GlammerHammer ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:31:50 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs pretty unrealistic to think people shouldnโt have a house. Personal property is different than private property.
Chaotic_Narwhal ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:33:02 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
โIโm of the opinion that humans shouldnโt โownโ land. Iโd walk up the hill.โ
Then why did you say this? Do you believe this or not? You donโt mention the mountain you only mention land.
GlammerHammer ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:49:59 on July 18, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They arenโt living on the mountain. They shouldnโt โown the mountainโ.
Iโm not advocating running into someoneโs house; but this is nature. Also, Iโm not buying into some buyllshit superstition of holy land or something.
Chaotic_Narwhal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:18:28 on July 18, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But you didnโt specify the mountain in your comment. You only talked about land.
Should people own land or not?
GlammerHammer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:17:04 on July 18, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If itโs land they are utilizing for production, then arguably. Just โowningโ this mountain? No.
Chaotic_Narwhal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:23 on July 19, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Then your first comment isnโt what you actually believe.
meaty_mc-loaferson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:47:15 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They still own that mountain, making it private property.
Fuck_Microsoft_edge ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:00:05 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Aboriginals tried "not owning land", but that shit didn't fly with the invading colonists. They declared the country "terra nullius" and claimed the whole lot. Aboriginals adopt the concept of ownership of the land to stop some fucker developing on it and ruining it.
You're being pedantic here by bringing up "private property". You are talking about a big rock with sacred worth to a native people, not a factory, or rented housing. The Marxist's problem with private propery is it's potential to exploit others. Aboriginals are basically forced to use recognised "Australian" legalese for something that doesn't really fit the significance of the site in order to protect it. It would have just been easier to respect their shit, but we need paperwork I guess. ๐คทโโ๏ธ
faroveryou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:52:28 on August 30, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'd walk in your home and empty my bowels on this unowned land. Great deal and thoroughly ripe thought you got there mate.
GlammerHammer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:22:00 on August 30, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm not sure how you can parallel shitting in a strangerโs home to enjoying a walk in nature, but ok.
dalovindj ยท -67 points ยท Posted at 06:13:01 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, fuck these people who think a rock is a place of great knowledge.
Try a library, people. Or go crazy and check out the internet (aka the grand sum of human knowledge).
Firmament1 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 20:15:49 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yeah, be a dick to people because of their culture.
Intolerant fuckwit.
dalovindj ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:57:19 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why should I be tolerant of magical thinking? There is no such thing as magic. They literally believe untrue things and expect me to respect that? Lol, good luck with that. They are welcome to believe whatever nonsensical untrue thing about the rock they want. It is everyone's right to delude themselves, I suppose. They don't get to force others into their idiotic delusions though.
The people climbing up the rock have the right idea. The view looks killer from the top and it would be good exercise hiking it. No reason to deprive oneself of that because some people have backwards, primitive beliefs.
meaty_mc-loaferson ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 21:01:56 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
By your logic I should be able to kill the pope, nuke mecca, and piss on the torra. Just because they mean nothing to me?
George-Spiggott ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:10:50 on November 6, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Piss on the Torah is the only logical equivalent, and yes you should be able to do that if you want.
dalovindj ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:02:30 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lol.
meaty_mc-loaferson ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:29:49 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You clearly did not get the point.
dalovindj ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:36:45 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, I get the point. To you killing a person and standing on a rock are equivalent so everything you say can be completely disregarded.
Thanks for making it clear.
meaty_mc-loaferson ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 23:41:50 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This isn't just "some rock" this rock is incredibly special to the Aborigines.
The bible is just some book, but that book has writings in it that are important to christians.
Also when did I ever say killing somebody is as bad as just disrespecting somebody?
TomWithASilentO ยท 103 points ยท Posted at 06:26:02 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Koori (indigenous australian) here! Uluru is incredibly important and sacred to us. By walking on it regardless of what the original custodians of the land ask, youโre showing massive disrespect.
Just because itโs not personally important to you doesnโt mean that it isnโt important at all. Please try and have some empathy for other cultures; thatโs all we ask for.
dalovindj ยท -77 points ยท Posted at 06:27:42 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, I'll disregard superstitious nonsense whenever I come across it.
Fake knowledge does this world no good.
TomWithASilentO ยท 67 points ยท Posted at 06:30:58 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs not superstition, as far as Iโm aware, not does it have anything to do with โfake knowledgeโ; because Uluru is a sacred place for aboriginal people, having whitefulla walk all over it is akin to spitting in their faces. Respect is all that is asked.
George-Spiggott ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:16:26 on November 6, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
YOu contradict yourself.
dalovindj ยท -76 points ยท Posted at 06:31:27 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just a rock, bro.
Nothing special.
probablyhrenrai ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 08:10:52 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Even as far as rocks go, Uluru is special; it's literally the biggest rock on the face of the planet.
George-Spiggott ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:16:58 on November 6, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, the biggest rock is My Augustus in WA.
TomWithASilentO ยท 70 points ยท Posted at 06:32:32 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
To you, of course. But to us itโs a sacred place.
Why are you so intent on disrespecting an entire group of people who have done nothing to directly harm you?
dalovindj ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 06:34:02 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, that's the superstitious nonsense part.
Just. A. Rock.
TomWithASilentO ยท 67 points ยท Posted at 06:36:26 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So just because a people have strong spiritual ties to a place, you then feel an unshakable desire to desecrate it and disrespect them? Thatโs pretty awful of you as a person.
Also, you didnโt answer my question. Why do you feel this need to disregard the feelings of, and disrespect, a whole group of people because of โsuperstition?โ
dalovindj ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:38:05 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Magical thinking has done nothing but harm to the world.
Trade it for actual knowledge, make the world a better place!
#JustARock
TomWithASilentO ยท 60 points ยท Posted at 06:38:50 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Please show me the harm that has been caused by people respecting Uluru.
heathre ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 07:09:43 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The person you're replying to is an obstinate dumb person, I wouldn't bother trying to coax them off their ignorant high horse. People like that act as though disrespect is a reflection of some kind of superior intellect when it just shows how narrow minded and inconsiderate they are. Flags are just fabric, a loved ones ashes are just ashes, etc, but I'm sure there's something this person values that they'd be offended to see disrespected.
TomWithASilentO ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 07:10:18 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I gave up two hours ago. Heโs just trying to get people mad, I can see.
dalovindj ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 06:39:57 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
Listen, good luck with your magical rock.
If I'm ever in the neighborhood, I'll be sure to give her a nice hike up. I'll bet the view is great from the top!
TomWithASilentO ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 06:41:18 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I can see that youโre just an insensitive person who wants to be edgy in order to rile up other people.
Have a good day. I donโt hate you, but I hope that you can find respect in your heart.
Uyghur1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:06:56 on August 3, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I hope youโre 12 years old or else this level of immaturity would just be embarrassing
blabla_booboo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:34:26 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Your parents will love you one day
anidnmeno ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 11:28:34 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, they won't
Keatosis ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:23:03 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh you have a hash tag now, cute
blabla_booboo ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 08:32:57 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If I had the choice of risking my life to save you or a rock, I'd currently opt to save the rock
pi_over_3 ยท -20 points ยท Posted at 11:45:50 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is why religion is cancer.
blabla_booboo ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 12:25:14 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Because I would jokingly choose a rock over an obnoxious redditor in a life and death situation?
When people go to machu picchu and they are told to stick to the designated routes, and that food drink and alcohol is forbidden they do so they are told. Know why? So they can preserve something that is special to them and people who go to see it
BonfireCow ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 12:08:53 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A church is just a building
The Declaration of Independence is just a piece of paper
The quaran (spelling probably wrong, unrelated) and the bible are just story books
techgineer13 ยท -26 points ยท Posted at 12:22:36 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The Bible (note the capitalization) is the inspired Word of God Himself and is therefore truth, not a "story book".
BonfireCow ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 12:31:49 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thatโs exactly my point though, the Bible is a sacred religious piece, as with itโs associated Church.
Uluru is no different to the aboriginal people, itโs a sacred place, not just some rock people think theyโre entitled to climb over
techgineer13 ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 12:32:49 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So it's not fiction?
BonfireCow ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:33:18 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm not sure I understand what youโre saying, can you elaborate?
RedSerpent96 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:39:23 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How would you feel about people burning the Bible because "it's just a book. It doesn't matter. It's literally just a book it has no significance"
TomWithASilentO ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:14:50 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Here's the thing: it depends on who you're talking to. I wouldn't be personally affected nor offended by a Bible-burning, because I am not Christian and the Bible holds no importance to me. However, because Christians see the Bible as the sacred word of God, I respect that by not burning it or defacing it.
Also, the Bible does have significance to the people it matters to, just like Uluru to us indigenous Australians. Whitefulla won't be mad if its trampled on, but I will feel offended personally, as I hold it in such high regard.
Whether it's a rock, a book, or fabric to you, it is important to hundreds of thousands of other people as a spiritual site, a holy text, and a patriotic symbol.
Keatosis ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:24:03 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Are you for real right now? Hypocrite much
techgineer13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:24:47 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How am I a hypocrite?
Keatosis ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:26:29 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What makes your special book more sacred than their special rock?
George-Spiggott ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:18:51 on November 6, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with everything you said except the part after "The Bible (note the capitalization)"
TabloMaxos ยท -39 points ยท Posted at 08:12:07 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You can tell that the top is a sacred place for you and you have to climb it.
They'll have to respect you then. Unless they are hypocrites.
TomWithASilentO ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 10:18:41 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thatโs not how it works.
D3ADGLoW ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 09:41:56 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Tell us something physical that you care a great deal about.
meaty_mc-loaferson ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:51:19 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just a rock that has been worshipped and loved by millions of people through the ages.
And if that's your logic then Christians shouldn't worship the cross just because some guy died on one?
For all you know this mountain could've had their prophet could've died on that mountain.
dalovindj ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:55:47 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Correct.
meaty_mc-loaferson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:34:47 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Do you not understand what I just said.
rnoyfb ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 15:02:00 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not a superstition but itโs sacred? So, superstition?
People shouldnโt climb your rock out of cultural respect for your superstition but that doesnโt make it less superstitious.
Chatty_Monkey_Don ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 13:26:49 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So how exactly does walking on this rock make it less sacred? Not trolling here, but how does keeping people away from the sacred rock make it more sacred? What makes a rock sacred to begin with?
TomWithASilentO ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 13:51:09 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's not that walking on Uluru makes it less sacred. It's just that walking on it is considered disrespectful because the place has such a high importance to us.
It'd be like me walking on an American flag. Logically, all I'm doing is trampling fabric. But, due the spiritual connection Americans feel to the flag, it would be seen as a highly disrespectful act to them.
Chatty_Monkey_Don ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 14:05:16 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But what importance is lost when people walk on it? I just belong to the camp that says let nature be enjoyed, as long as no physical harm is being done to it. I would even say the awe one feels when enjoying natural beauty and being a part of that natural environment is far more spiritually honest than roping it off and saying "don't touch or you'll ruin the magic".
Fuck_Microsoft_edge ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 14:23:55 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wow. Did you even read the response?
TomWithASilentO ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 14:17:44 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
Importance is not lost. I don't think I ever said that.
Also, your personal enjoyment as a whitefulla does not take precedent over the basic respect asked from the indigenous Australians who have lived here for countless thousands of years and see the site as incredibly important (to elaborate, we see it as a key point in Dreamtime storiesโthere are countless ones associated with it, some of which are here).
Besides, white people getting what they want at any cost is what caused our genocide. But go ahead, spit on us even more.
Chatty_Monkey_Don ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 15:30:59 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Whatever dude. We'll all be dead in a hundred years and that rock will still be there, inviting people to climb and explore, while someone says, "don't do that, it's magic" and others will say "hey, why don't we actually climb and explore this rock instead of pretending it's magic".
shifty313 ยท -16 points ยท Posted at 12:09:51 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Rofl, this racist getting upvoted. Fuck you
"Itโs not superstition" def, excessively credulous belief in and reverence for supernatural beings.
"Uluru is a sacred" def, connected with God (or the gods) or dedicated to a religious purpose and so deserving veneration. religious rather than secular, embodying the laws or doctrines of a religion
Both of the supernatural
TomWithASilentO ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 12:37:19 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Uhhh, how am I racist? Or are you talking about /u/dalovindj ?
KissMyGoat ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:59:08 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have no fucking clue what he is trying to say!
I have re-read the message again and again but nope, no clue what he is trying to say.
TomWithASilentO ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:00:04 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Think heโs saying that me saying that superstition = spiritual, and Iโm contradicting myself.
Why I am a racist, I have no clue.
ColonelGoose ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 11:26:06 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, coming straight from r/atheism are we?
George-Spiggott ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:15:22 on November 6, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
European Australian here, rational thought is important to me. By expressing your ludicrous magical thinking you are showing massive disrespect not just to me, but to the entirety of the human race, you should be ashamed of yourself.
Just because ludicrous magical thinking is important to you doesn't mean it isn't ridiculous. Please try and have some empathy for all the billions of victims of your kind of nonsense, and just cut it out. Grow the fuck up.
TomWithASilentO ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:46:19 on November 6, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lmao who the fuck are you??? This comment is almost four months old
George-Spiggott ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:09:55 on November 6, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well you see TM there is this magical spirit system called the Internet, and when you post nonsense to them your nonsense is stored for exactly 4 months. So I had to reply before that time was up or my spirit guide would be angry.
TomWithASilentO ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:51:42 on November 6, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I love how youโre mad that people have beliefs that donโt align with yours.
Fuck off out of my inbox and take your shit attitude back to /r/pussypassdenied
George-Spiggott ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:52:11 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I love how me teasing you about your loony beliefs makes you think I'm mad.
You mad. Grow up you stupid child.
shifty313 ยท -17 points ยท Posted at 12:03:34 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just because itโs personally important to you doesnโt mean that it is important at all.
TomWithASilentO ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 12:40:04 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It is important to thousands of aboriginal Australians.
pouf_souffle ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 10:49:11 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
r/iamverysmart
faroveryou ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:51:41 on August 30, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with you.
mysweetandsourchild ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:33:50 on September 18, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus Christ. Do you know anything about Aboriginal Australians or their culture? Did you even think writing this comment?
dalovindj ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:15:44 on September 18, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I know they think a rock is a place of knowledge like a bunch of dumbasses.
HailHelix420 ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 15:23:31 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yo be fair it looks like they are walking and not climbing
Truth_or_GTFO ยท -52 points ยท Posted at 05:51:20 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
Well...they appear to be hiking, not climbing, so I'm sure no one was offended. /s
edit: wow, -54 downvotes, new record. Y'all got triggered
faroveryou ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:51:02 on August 30, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Officer I'm traveling, not driving.
OwnagePwnage123 ยท -70 points ยท Posted at 05:37:26 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I understand WHY itโs frowned upon, but to be fair I think most people would do the same, because it would be a cool experience.
heathre ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 07:11:28 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Most people don't because there are more important things in the world than an idiot's"cool experience". I was able to encounter and appreciate uluru without clambering all over it, and most other visitors are, too.
Soudie23 ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 14:48:20 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I appreciated it more from the top
ThatGuyTheyCallAlex ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:38:21 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It doesnโt matter. If you have to disrespect generations of people and culture to appreciate a cultural icon, it cancels out.
You didnโt appreciate anything.
ColonelGoose ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 11:24:10 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ffs totally. Most people love shitting on another culture because it'd be a cool experience... /s
drdeadhappy ยท -31 points ยท Posted at 08:39:58 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I donโt think this is as black and white as some people seem to think here. Both sides are right and both are also wrong :)
SuicidalSundays ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 12:06:02 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, no it's pretty clear. All the racists saying it's okay to disrespect the tribe's culture are in the wrong. End of story. :)
drdeadhappy ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:42:34 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
By that logic half the planet has been sacred at some point to some one so should we never build or even walk around anymore ? Also what about current issues, people are fast to shit on churches and religions for the shit they do that others donโt like or agree with. Why is it ok to say the cunts that do all the god hates fags shit should be slaughtered in mass but itโs not ok to walk where someone thinks a rock is magical? They both have there own beliefs and saying one is right and the other is wrong is kinda fucked up. What makes ur opinion right and others wrong and why should that matter to them? Both sides have a valid argument. The people that just came here to spread hate on the other hand like you mentioned are just cunts lol
BonfireCow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:32:02 on July 18, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thatโs... not how it works.
Churches are sacred places, and youโre allowed to walk inside them because thereโs no beliefs against it, defiling a church certainly is a bad practice and is deeply frowned upon, and swearing in a church is extremely disrespectful to christians
Each culture has its own beliefs, that are not synonymous with each other, Uluru being sacred land to the aboriginal people, walking on it is the same as defiling it (and itโs literally deforming the rock in doing so)
So while in another timeline it may have been okay due to their beliefs, in this timeline, they donโt want people waking over their sacred artefact.
drdeadhappy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:51:47 on July 18, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno dude if I go sit under a random tree in a field somewhere and have a nice nap with magical dreams then after call that tree sacred and expect no one for the rest of time to ever touch that tree people arenโt going to to do that are they? Arenโt cows scared to Indians ? Do you eat beef? Canโt pick and choose what peoples beliefs you want to abide by itโs either all or none.
BonfireCow ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 11:51:32 on July 18, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thing with Uluru though is thatโs it an entire culture, your example is just one account.
AdmiralLobstero ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 13:15:24 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why out a smiley face at the end of your comment? Just to come off as cunty?
throwmeaway21321342 ยท -52 points ยท Posted at 09:21:57 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck the abos
๐๏ธ outdatedopinion ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 09:27:30 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
Why did you say that?
BonfireCow ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 12:10:35 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Because itโs a throwaway account and he thinks he can be racist and feel good about it
Fuck that guy
PAWG_Muncher ยท -23 points ยท Posted at 12:20:44 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck you