I think you're looking too much into a silly joke picture. In almost all units the primary responsibility of deacons is passing the sacrament. Like, congrats! you have the Priesthood, hold this tray.
Y-ldJon ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 21:56:25 on October 5, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
hold this tray in the same hand you masterbated with this morning
Fundamentalist mormons don't let deacons and teachers pass, regular people can't pass tray in rows and they hold their arm to the square when blessing sacrament. This is where some nit picky LDS turn to when they obsess over every scripture verse. I say just fuck it all who gives a shit, They can just take their pieces of wonder bread and throw it in air and let everyone just try and grab a piece.
JohnH2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:03:29 on October 6, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would be the other possible direction to go, but as real presence isn't found in scripture as we understand it and doesn't make theological sense in a Mormon framework it is a very odd direction to go.
wow. I never saw that. How do they reconcile this. How did I ever miss this? THANKS FOR SHARING!!
JohnH2 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 23:09:52 on October 5, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They reconcile it as being that only the priests can bless the sacrament; to catch it and what is being said in the scriptures it is most helpful to be aware of how the Catholics treat the sacrament.
The LDS deacons in passing the sacrament are providing a service to the members and the bishopric, being the other side of reconciling it.
Personally, I am a believer and I am just constantly annoyed by the framing of the passing the sacrament by members and by Ordain Women, and so forth as being something that would be a great priesthood change to allow women to pass. There are times in church history where the women did pass the sacrament, and in a real sense they still do. So having a change where both twelve year old girls and boys go pass the sacrament doesn't require a revelation, doesn't need to threaten orthodox women's very identities, everyone just needs to know that it is a policy that can be changed at any time.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:55:08 on October 6, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The church is lucky they have managed to create so many vulnerable and submissive Mormon women. Seriously, I see these girls at BYU-I. It pains me how they have been raised to see themselves as breeders and nothing else. Otherwise, women would have left the church a long time ago.
Hmm that's a really interesting point. I think the way we teach about priesthood can be confusing. Because a major thing Teachers do, aside from sacrement preparation which you've already stated doesn't require priesthood, is home teaching, which I think we could agree doesn't require priesthood.
Oh but then how would we continue to communicate to girls that they arenโt as important as boys? Only males do important things in the church... We wouldnโt want them to give that up.
JohnH2 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:07:37 on October 6, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, at 16 the boys would be able to bless the sacrament and baptize and even bringing back past Relief Society practices and recognizing the Relief Society as a priesthood quorum rather than an "Auxiliary" as per the Nauvoo Relief Society Minutes Book that wouldn't change (without additional revelation).
Doesnโt this highlight how sexist the church truly is? Itโs not about โpriesthoodโ. Itโs not about which person has the authority to do what. Itโs about keeping girls and women from doing important things in the church. Itโs about communicating to girls from the time they are small that they arenโt as important as boys. It is wrong. And it is blatant sexism in its most raw form.
JohnH2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:45:18 on October 6, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The difference in the budgets between YM v. YW and activity days v. cub scouts highlight how sexist the church truly is.
The destruction of women's authority, practices, and ordinances was more a side effect of the consolidation of the priesthood and all its authority into the hands of the Twelve; the Relief society still exists and is treated in many but not all ways similar to the Elders Quorum, the position of the Presiding Patriarch has apparently been completely destroyed as well as entire presiding Quorums of the church found in scripture because it was relatively easy to subordinate the Relief society to the 12. Doing the same thing for the standing high council or the Presiding Patriarch wasn't possible so now we pretend those things never existed and the scriptures mean other than what they say.
The thing is, there are lots of women within the church that view things differently than has been expressed on this thread and don't desire the priesthood, at the very least not the male version. Pushing for equal budgets and increased ecclesiastical responsibilities for women doesn't threaten their identity; nor would allowing women to be witnesses at baptisms. Reintroducing the women's ordinances would be something reasonable as well. Saying we are going to start ordaining women to be deacons, priests, and elders though attacks their identity and destroys the women's organizations that they see as being so valuable and their own space.
cinepro ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:23:17 on October 6, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Administer" = "Bless"
Passing it isn't actually part of the ordinance. The passing and preparing that the Deacons and Teachers do are actually non-scriptural (and non-Priesthood) duties. The Beehives and Mia Maids could do it and not be in violation of any scripture.
Look up "priesthood power" and how it is used in General conference. The word doesn't appear until the 1940s and really takes off in terms of usage in the 1970s. "Priesthood Authority" shows up slightly later. It seems that this is a relatively new concept to mormonism. "Authority of God" on the other hand has consistent usage since the 1800s.
That's a big ass tray. It must take spirit power to hold.
dr_jase ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:08:27 on October 6, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unless you masturbated since last Sunday.
kevinrex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:29:50 on October 5, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AND, if you're faith is strong enough, you can have faith to NOT hold the tray, too! (Said to the YW of the ward where this picture was taken, by Elder Bedknobs.
Not being Mormon myself I took the little cup of water and the piece of wonder bread and no one really said no. Some people said you shouldnโt if youโre not baptized and others said go ahead... no idea now lol
jayhalk1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:15:00 on October 6, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just had a flashback to when I was 12 and Soo disappointed.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:52:13 on October 6, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Creepy to think I was regularly performing a ceremony like that with everyone in my congregation for at least 10 years of my life. And then to think about the temple...
JohnH2 ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 21:21:11 on October 5, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You don't need the priesthood to hold the tray, in almost all units anyone can pass the tray within the rows. Furthermore, there is D&C 20:58:
Demonstrating that if passing is a priesthood duty then deacons can't do it.
๐๏ธ GoTeamBoobies ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:46:59 on October 5, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think you're looking too much into a silly joke picture. In almost all units the primary responsibility of deacons is passing the sacrament. Like, congrats! you have the Priesthood, hold this tray.
Y-ldJon ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 21:56:25 on October 5, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FTFY
๐๏ธ GoTeamBoobies ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 22:00:00 on October 5, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When he's 16 he'll use that same hand to break the bread you're about to eat
Ranielm ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 03:27:31 on October 6, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Am 16, can confirm.
milyvanily ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:58:59 on October 6, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fundamentalist mormons don't let deacons and teachers pass, regular people can't pass tray in rows and they hold their arm to the square when blessing sacrament. This is where some nit picky LDS turn to when they obsess over every scripture verse. I say just fuck it all who gives a shit, They can just take their pieces of wonder bread and throw it in air and let everyone just try and grab a piece.
JohnH2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:03:29 on October 6, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would be the other possible direction to go, but as real presence isn't found in scripture as we understand it and doesn't make theological sense in a Mormon framework it is a very odd direction to go.
kwastaken ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:19:45 on October 5, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
wow. I never saw that. How do they reconcile this. How did I ever miss this? THANKS FOR SHARING!!
JohnH2 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 23:09:52 on October 5, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They reconcile it as being that only the priests can bless the sacrament; to catch it and what is being said in the scriptures it is most helpful to be aware of how the Catholics treat the sacrament.
The LDS deacons in passing the sacrament are providing a service to the members and the bishopric, being the other side of reconciling it.
Personally, I am a believer and I am just constantly annoyed by the framing of the passing the sacrament by members and by Ordain Women, and so forth as being something that would be a great priesthood change to allow women to pass. There are times in church history where the women did pass the sacrament, and in a real sense they still do. So having a change where both twelve year old girls and boys go pass the sacrament doesn't require a revelation, doesn't need to threaten orthodox women's very identities, everyone just needs to know that it is a policy that can be changed at any time.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:55:08 on October 6, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The church is lucky they have managed to create so many vulnerable and submissive Mormon women. Seriously, I see these girls at BYU-I. It pains me how they have been raised to see themselves as breeders and nothing else. Otherwise, women would have left the church a long time ago.
๐๏ธ GoTeamBoobies ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:55:31 on October 5, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm that's a really interesting point. I think the way we teach about priesthood can be confusing. Because a major thing Teachers do, aside from sacrement preparation which you've already stated doesn't require priesthood, is home teaching, which I think we could agree doesn't require priesthood.
soccermom14 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:57:12 on October 6, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh but then how would we continue to communicate to girls that they arenโt as important as boys? Only males do important things in the church... We wouldnโt want them to give that up.
JohnH2 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:07:37 on October 6, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, at 16 the boys would be able to bless the sacrament and baptize and even bringing back past Relief Society practices and recognizing the Relief Society as a priesthood quorum rather than an "Auxiliary" as per the Nauvoo Relief Society Minutes Book that wouldn't change (without additional revelation).
soccermom14 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:04:22 on October 6, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Doesnโt this highlight how sexist the church truly is? Itโs not about โpriesthoodโ. Itโs not about which person has the authority to do what. Itโs about keeping girls and women from doing important things in the church. Itโs about communicating to girls from the time they are small that they arenโt as important as boys. It is wrong. And it is blatant sexism in its most raw form.
JohnH2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:45:18 on October 6, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The difference in the budgets between YM v. YW and activity days v. cub scouts highlight how sexist the church truly is.
The destruction of women's authority, practices, and ordinances was more a side effect of the consolidation of the priesthood and all its authority into the hands of the Twelve; the Relief society still exists and is treated in many but not all ways similar to the Elders Quorum, the position of the Presiding Patriarch has apparently been completely destroyed as well as entire presiding Quorums of the church found in scripture because it was relatively easy to subordinate the Relief society to the 12. Doing the same thing for the standing high council or the Presiding Patriarch wasn't possible so now we pretend those things never existed and the scriptures mean other than what they say.
The thing is, there are lots of women within the church that view things differently than has been expressed on this thread and don't desire the priesthood, at the very least not the male version. Pushing for equal budgets and increased ecclesiastical responsibilities for women doesn't threaten their identity; nor would allowing women to be witnesses at baptisms. Reintroducing the women's ordinances would be something reasonable as well. Saying we are going to start ordaining women to be deacons, priests, and elders though attacks their identity and destroys the women's organizations that they see as being so valuable and their own space.
cinepro ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:23:17 on October 6, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Administer" = "Bless"
Passing it isn't actually part of the ordinance. The passing and preparing that the Deacons and Teachers do are actually non-scriptural (and non-Priesthood) duties. The Beehives and Mia Maids could do it and not be in violation of any scripture.
kwastaken ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:06:31 on October 6, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you!!!
fuckeveryone________ ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:18:04 on October 6, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
fuck that tray
mithermage ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:41:49 on October 6, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Every deacon has more priesthood than the pope.... Just remember that.
soccermom14 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:58:21 on October 6, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And their mothers.
japanesepiano ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:54:27 on October 6, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Look up "priesthood power" and how it is used in General conference. The word doesn't appear until the 1940s and really takes off in terms of usage in the 1970s. "Priesthood Authority" shows up slightly later. It seems that this is a relatively new concept to mormonism. "Authority of God" on the other hand has consistent usage since the 1800s.
jdwright1989 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:51:22 on October 6, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is such a relief that to know I will never have to pass that tray down the pew again hoping I don't spill it all over someone.
aPFCinaZelphiteArmy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:07:27 on October 6, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One ward in my building let's the young women hand out the announcements.
๐๏ธ GoTeamBoobies ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:40:25 on October 6, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's borderline apostasy!
LabansWidow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:43 on October 6, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And they let a woman pray for the first time in general conference in 2013! Totally not sexist. /s
s-l-k ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:07:45 on October 6, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, and had KK not been there pushing for equal rights, that never would have happened in 2013.
aPFCinaZelphiteArmy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:50:16 on October 6, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Whoa really?
LabansWidow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:55:20 on October 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, really!
Sasquatch-Cain ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:37:34 on October 6, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's a big ass tray. It must take spirit power to hold.
dr_jase ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:08:27 on October 6, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unless you masturbated since last Sunday.
kevinrex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:29:50 on October 5, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AND, if you're faith is strong enough, you can have faith to NOT hold the tray, too! (Said to the YW of the ward where this picture was taken, by Elder Bedknobs.
Androgymoose ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:40:53 on October 6, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not being Mormon myself I took the little cup of water and the piece of wonder bread and no one really said no. Some people said you shouldnโt if youโre not baptized and others said go ahead... no idea now lol
jayhalk1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:15:00 on October 6, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just had a flashback to when I was 12 and Soo disappointed.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:52:13 on October 6, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Creepy to think I was regularly performing a ceremony like that with everyone in my congregation for at least 10 years of my life. And then to think about the temple...