๐๏ธ GreatCanuck ยท 1865 points ยท Posted at 06:17:05 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
A desperate grandmother sent Dr. Phil a video showing how her 3-year-old granddaughter, Kaylee, reacts when she returns from visits with her father.
Follow this case and support Bonii's non-profit organization S.A.V.E. at: http://www.MomsForJustice.org/
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triangle-of-life ยท 901 points ยท Posted at 06:56:15 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Cue longest and most painful "brain fart" I've ever witnessed
[deleted] ยท 777 points ยท Posted at 12:30:02 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
or when he ''tries'' to think of anyone he might have known that has been molested as a child at 8:27 ''hmm... molested as a child... molested, molested, molested, molested...''
GaiusSherlockCaesar ยท 265 points ยท Posted at 12:55:53 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That was just physically painfull to watch.
Slotherz ยท 119 points ยท Posted at 16:51:12 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah its like he's an 8 year old kid inside a mans body. Thats the type of immature behavior you'd actually expect from a child.
makeloveeveryday ยท 420 points ยท Posted at 17:08:35 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It's like he's a man in a 3 year old kid's body.
nervousnedflanders ยท 96 points ยท Posted at 17:47:22 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck dude
TheePanda ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 18:23:05 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Savage
topkeksavage ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 08:38:28 on November 28, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
absolute mad man
Polarpanser716 ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 17:59:54 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
/r/imgoingtohellforthis
theshinepolicy ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:01:44 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
no cause it was actually funny
[deleted] ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 17:52:17 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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desenagrator ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:22:18 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Nah
takeitonben ยท 79 points ยท Posted at 19:02:46 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I thought that maybe he did that long thinking on purpose to prove he tends to think of things thoroughly like he did with the cake/tongue thing.
Zyosm ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 20:58:51 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly my thought... the way he looks towards the camera before starting his acting also gives it away.
0035677616007CallMe ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:04:48 on November 24, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I seriously doubt that. He did not expect the question at the time and was struggling to pull out the appropriate response in the situation. Then being aware of not answering the question in a timely manner, he becomes stressed out and it's difficult for him to think clear and gather his thoughts, why he starts drumming with his hands and covering his face. Then asking himself the question to give himself a lead to follow.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:53:58 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Right, that's what makes it so obvious that he is lying, unfortunately :/ This video just made me sad.
Incrediben ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 15:57:06 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This is what made me bust out laughing... Who thinks like that?
Wizardplum ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 18:36:44 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
People that pretend to think forsure
pinkclarisonic ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 19:11:50 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
"Steak, steak, steak, small amount of peas..."
LeaveMyBrainAlone ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:18:37 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I want to say who...
Luftwaffe88 ยท 64 points ยท Posted at 14:20:58 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Haha when I heard him say that I was fucking geeking, this is gold...
lemonpjb ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 15:15:16 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I want to believe this is an Andy Kaufman-esque level performance piece. It's way more hilarious that way. He's almost cartoonish.
BecauseItRhymes ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 20:53:36 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
He reminds me of a character Trevor Moore would play lmao
PrettyOddWoman ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 17:54:57 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ahh, I have been cracking up too but then I feel bad because he obviously molested his daughter. Unless the guests on Dr Phil are paid actors or something? And this guy just went rogue or something. So many questions.
queefiest ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:03:31 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like they must've actors on Maury and Springer
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:28:28 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Maury has real Contestants, jerry springer has actors and mostly strippers/adult entertainment people, but Steve Wilkos and dr Phil have real guests.
I live in NY and I used to be friends with a group of people who were interns for all those shows from my communications department.
MuertoMalos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:12:45 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Springer is definitely staged.
Source: Went to Springer tapings in 2009.
Kooderna ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 17:22:19 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ya! Omfg...he just kept saying to himself "hmm...let me think, molested, molested...molested...nah doesn't ring any bells sorry!"
-_-
guyver_dio ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 06:24:55 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Does the hand movement like he's doing math.
There was that one but I also knew a child molester so they cancel out....plus that other guy.....carry the one.... Uh none.
p0tate ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:28:16 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah that was fucking creepy...
ERenaissance ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:47:41 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I lost it at that moment. That was unreal.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:03:36 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Haha. That was some David Brent level shit.
skomes99 ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 18:07:47 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You would think he would know to act appalled at the suggestion, instead he's actually trying to remember the exact event!
Incredibly repulsive.
Fallenangel152 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:55:29 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
"Hmm, let me try and wriggle my way out of this."
Abedeus ยท 229 points ยท Posted at 11:52:51 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
"Well, my daughter might've tried to lick cake off my face".
He's actually going as far as to insinuate that his daughter was the one that started the whole thing.
[deleted] ยท 168 points ยท Posted at 15:08:29 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Lots of pedophiles blame the victim. It's not deflection either, some really believe it. Dr. Phil had a guy on once who said the 3-year-old he molested "knew what she was doing" when, according to him, she seduced him. A 3-year-old. He was mad at the girl for getting him in this trouble. Unbelievable.
FatWhiteBitch ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 02:16:27 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Watched a documentary on Netflix about pedophiles. This creepy, older guy starts doing small talk with some kids outside a convenience store. After they leave, he turns to the camera and talks about how "obvious" it was that they were trying to "flirt" with him.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:24:53 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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FatWhiteBitch ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 04:35:23 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't look it, but I found it here -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ygrd29-_O3I.
Part I'm referring to begins at about 22:00.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:12:44 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I just watched this whole thing and I think my day is ruined
Panthertron ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:49:27 on November 24, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
the fuck...
BeatsAroundNoBush ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:12:13 on November 27, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Made me feel as sick as a beheading video would.
Reggiardito ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:25:12 on November 24, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Name of the documentary?
hc6hc6 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:03:26 on December 7, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
these people are sick
Abedeus ยท 108 points ยท Posted at 15:14:59 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It's not just pedophiles, let's be honest. It happens to rapists ("she wasn't really trying to struggle!" or "she was dressed provocatively!") and it even when people rear-end vehicles or hit pedestrians crossing the sidewalk. Instead of blaming themselves for texting while driving...
[deleted] ยท 114 points ยท Posted at 15:22:26 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, of course, name a crime, and somewhere an offender has blamed the victim. I only mentioned pedophiles because that's what the thread is about.
griffeny ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 21:43:48 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It's like some people here on this site have a bat signal to come to the defense of pedophiles.
capitalsfan08 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 23:59:13 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I hope, at least I try to hope, that it is the younger crowd here who think they are obviously adults even though they're freshman in HS, so why can't those younger girls (14+) consent too? They're wrong, but I know at that age I overestimated how adult I was.
As for the young, young pedos? Absolutely no idea. That scares me.
furifuri ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:24:08 on November 24, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't see anyone defending pedos in this thread, what are you talking about?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:52:14 on November 24, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Most people with with shitty behavior will try to blame anyone but themselves.
hc6hc6 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:04:07 on December 7, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
people judge others by their actions and themselves by their intentions. everyone is going to be more sympathetic and understanding to themselves, it's only reasonable.
NotNickCannon ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 17:25:21 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I wish I had a video of it.. Ohmygod
Doiihachirou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:50:00 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I reacted the very same way, It just felt wrong. I mean, of course, the whole thing felt utterly wrong, but.. I felt like that phrase slipped out. "I wish I had a video of it..." ... sounded like he accidentally said what he was thinking, imagining the situation with the cake.. and wanting to have it to re-watch it.
*shudder Damn...
PrettyOddWoman ยท -17 points ยท Posted at 17:57:42 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
A video of what? Please clarify because I'm a little concerned due to the context of the discussion, ya know?
Polarpanser716 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 18:03:12 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The (pretty obviously guilty) man who was accused of molesting his daughter said he wanted a video of the birthday party so he could prove that he didn't put cake in her mouth with his tongue.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:01:15 on November 28, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ballsy move, turned it around on HER
6ickle ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 16:53:39 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Phil: why did it take you so long to answer that question.
Yes, that was my question Phil.
TokeyWakenbaker ยท 51 points ยท Posted at 11:21:22 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
"Hmmm. Let me think about that one. You know how tongues have a mind if their own!"
MetalBeerSolid ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 18:12:09 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Combine that with the possibility of him sleep walking and you got yourself in a doozy
pantyfex ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 19:00:09 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
i was honestly expecting him to say something like, "oh, hmm, I don't think I had cake on my tongue when I shoved it in my daughter's mouth."
necro_clown ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 17:44:36 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
"C-cake? My..tongue.?" . _ .
ROYCEMCHUTCHENCE ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 15:52:32 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
lemme think for a while, i'm not sure...
AnAngryBitch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:51:40 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
"..........oh, so you know about that, huh? Ummmm, let me think, let me think...."
ROYCEMCHUTCHENCE ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:03:31 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
legend has it that he's still thinking to this very day
some say that on a clear night, if you listen to the wind, you can hear him
manwith4names ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:50:23 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That was the most visual checkmate I've ever seen
Sir_Pimpington ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:59:54 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNheh93qu-4
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:46:06 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This is how I felt watching it. http://i.imgur.com/OXBQcPa.gif
I_ama_Borat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:19:21 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The only thing I can think of for the long pause is he was trying to think back on what could have possibly been interpreted that way. But yea, he sounds like a lying sumbitch.
imnotabus ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:07:38 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That honestly doesn't seem crazy to me though. Like I can see the tongue thing being funny, if the person isn't creepy.
The rest of this? Yes. Definitely.
๐๏ธ GreatCanuck ยท 599 points ยท Posted at 06:32:05 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
He was later convicted of having child porn
HAL9000000 ยท 79 points ยท Posted at 13:43:02 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
I thought the post was going to be about this guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bxs298VE6ik
The guy in this video I've just linked is unfathomably weird and without any doubt should be in prison for molesting multiple victims. But somehow nobody has taken him to court.
wovenloaf ยท 55 points ยท Posted at 20:23:11 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Whoah... the moment at 8:08 was BY FAR the3 most cringeworthy thing I have ever seen on this subreddit...
ironiclegacy ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 21:27:11 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
what a fucking idiot, seriously, talk about tone-deaf. i feel awful for the lady
The_Cheeki_Breeki ยท 70 points ยท Posted at 21:16:53 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
"I got kinda raped"
"How many dads go in and..."
"Honey I don't want to hear that"
Holy shit I was howling in laughter at that exchange
chbay ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 23:28:21 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
What in the fuck.
That came out of fucking nowhere. You saw him glaring with rage at the grandpa during and after the question of whether he molested Parker and you thought you knew exactly what was going through his mind.
Then it turns out he was probably just furiously jealous that his father in law got with his wife before he did.
vaporsilver ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:06:49 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Probably because of statute of limitations and lack of evidence
HAL9000000 ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 15:52:17 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
He admitted that he put his penis inside his infant daughter. Sure, it was probably 40 years earlier but there's no lack of evidence for that, even if he denies everything else. If there is a statute of limitations, there shouldn't be one at least when the perpetrator literally admits it.
Cizuz ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 16:08:34 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Statute of limitations exists for a reason. It might not be perfect but it causes less harm then more harm.
For example people are horrendous at remembering things and very notorious for fabricated memories and implanted memories. This is real, no one is free from it. You yourself have memories that never happened or never happened the way you say they did.
This is also why eye witness testimony is horrible and shouldn't be trusted in a court of law.
A good example was during the pedophile priest scandal. Even though it was a very low minority, parents got very scarred and kept asking their kids about their priest. This ended up implanting doubt, kids see it on TV or the news as well and an influx of people come out to confess their pastor or priest molested them. Sometimes 10 years after the fact. People are acused, scorned, life ruined.
But then evidence shows they didn't. Dates given prove the kid wasn't even at church or with the priest or even attending church at that day. No physical evidence exists. Other things show it didn't happen.
Hell even sometimes someone being accused will take a plea deal, because they fear the worse outcome even if they know they did nothing.
Hell some people might even be convinced or convince themselves they did something.
Yet they didn't. The memories are real. For all purposes that kid believes they were molested when they weren't. So they are really suffering.
In the end, this is real science and one of the reasons eye witness testimony is garbage and Statute of limitations exists.
Not saying this is the case but this guy could be a victim where she believe she molested her and hates him, to the point he eventually doubts himself. Maybe I was drunk? Maybe I did? To the point the memory becomes real for the both of them even if it didn't happen.
I believe he probably did. But memories suck, and easily manipulated.
wovenloaf ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:37:29 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'll just set this here.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:49:37 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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GeektasticCatLady ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:31:46 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Statute of limitations citations vary by state. Some states do have limits on rape, molestation, etc.
rabidmunks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:07 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
admitting to a crime is not the same as evidence. if it were that dude who claimed to kill jon benet ramsey would be in jail rather than simply regarded as a nutjob
BeatsAroundNoBush ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:15:04 on November 27, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The wife knows what's up.
BrassBass ยท 105 points ยท Posted at 06:54:15 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
So he DID molest his own kid, or was that never proven? As much as I would like to lynch him for child molestation, a witch-hunt is wrong and you must assume innocence until guilt is proven in a court of law.
The child porn charge is going to haunt his ass for the rest of his life, if he survives prison gen-pop.
EDIT: God damn, if it was proven that he DID molest his kid then he isn't innocent anymore. All I was saying is that assuming someone is guilty of all related crimes because they are proven guilty of only one is wrong.
Phil_Phil_Connors ยท 191 points ยท Posted at 20:06:06 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry but his kid is saying he "kissed her peepee" and then he's caught with child porn and you think he didn't molest her?
Seriously???
lvalmp ยท 72 points ยท Posted at 20:40:39 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
And that is a very little girl saying that. Not a 15 year old who hates her dad. Not someone really old enough to understand the consequences of it. Even if I don't want to say the dad is guilty based on his behaviour (though I do), I definitely believe that little girl.
dandaman0345 ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 03:23:41 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
And accuses him of molesting her? Let's please not accidentally imply that this is normal.
lvalmp ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 03:37:57 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
sorry. That's not where I was going. sorry if it came across that way.
Phil_Phil_Connors ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 10:53:31 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
No need to correct yourself, you were obviously pointing out that an older child may try to abuse tactics against their caregiver.
PM_ME_UR_ASSHOLE ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:31:47 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Not saying she was lying as he was convicted of having CP, but kids can lie, and be manipulated to lie. The fact that they dont understand the consequences of it is what makes it worse, IMO. So to say that "oh a little girl said this, why would she lie about it" is kind of bullshit. The movie The Hunt, starring Mads Mikkelsen is a good insight into this line of thinking.
lvalmp ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:07:01 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I know kids can lie. my three year old lies all the time (not very well), but I do believe this girl. I know that doesn't mean anything, and innocent until proven guilty and all that, but my gut instinct is that that guy is lying and that kid is not.
jelatinman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:46:27 on November 27, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That coaching thing is what the majority of the drama dealing with the Woody Allen scandal was about. Both sides has different accounts of who said what, how Dylan said these things. Even the judge in the court seemed highly biased. They didn't try him despite supposedly having "probable cause," which even Allen himself said was bullshit. He even got the clear to adopt two more kids a few years later.
Xiigen ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:16:16 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Young children are incredibly easy to manipulate into believing things. 15 year olds aren't.
JayStar1213 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:11:15 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Kids do say weird things though. Not saying that this guy is close to innocent. But you can't convict someone because a kid says that.
mister_brian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:43:38 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Kids around 2-3 have no real filter and say weird shit. Not saying this is the case, but they can come up with the craziest stories often involving people in their lives. My cousin came home from preschool and told her mom that they all get baths in the back room after playing outside. Assuming the worst, she went in to speak with them and it turned out the "baths" were just them washing their hands.
whisperwhile ยท 62 points ยท Posted at 17:51:34 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Innocent until proven guilty is a legal construct, not a social one.
fissionman1 ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 19:13:42 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
And since we in America, as people who accept a set of laws governing our society, so too is it a social construct.
IrrationalDesign ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:22:17 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You, in America, judge those laws objectively in an attempt to take as much social construct out of the equation as possible and look at only the ethical ones. Ethics are a social structure by definition in a way, but they're differentiated and definitely not synonymous.
llliiioo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:33:42 on November 24, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It's so hypocritical, no one waits till a jury gives a verdict before making up their mind on something. The only time people say "derp, innocent until proven guilty" is when there's nothing they can say to defend someone.
whisperwhile ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:39:13 on November 25, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I forgot the saying, but it's something like, "Don't look at the law as a moral compass". The law is just what's helps create a stable society that's free from abuse of power (ideally), while providing security. However, ethics, morals, any of that, isn't derived from law. For instance, murder is wrong, but we still go to war. Smoking weed isn't bad, yet it's still illegal, gays should get married, but only recently can, etc...
Laws are definitely a reflection of our morals, but a poor reflection.
theshinepolicy ยท 79 points ยท Posted at 20:10:42 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
no i dont. i'm not a fucking court. God damn it i hate when people say this.
merehow ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:59:21 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Right. The law must assume them innocent, but people need to make their own judgements for the purpose of their own safety.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 04:57:10 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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theshinepolicy ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 06:56:47 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Sure. I'm allowed to think they're idiots too
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theshinepolicy ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 13:35:59 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'm my own boss so sure.
tollforturning ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:05:19 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
No, no you're not. I disallow the thoughts. Do not have it.
Khanstant ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 23:38:26 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Not to be rude but you look like a mighty fine fucking court, if you know what I mean. ;)
newuser13 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 21:37:22 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'm confused.
A guy who has been proven to be sexually attracted to children was accused by his daughter of molestation.
How in any way is he innocent?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:40:03 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
What if his daughters really unnattractive
PerkAccount ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 08:05:15 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Later in the series he failed a lie detector test about the allegations that was said to be 92% accurate. I didn't see anything about child porn.
BrassBass ยท 331 points ยท Posted at 08:18:59 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Judges don't use or trust lie detector tests because of how useless the results tend to be.
PerkAccount ยท 68 points ยท Posted at 08:24:46 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
True and 8% is a lot to be judging if a person is a child molester or not.
I watched the whole series and the only other things of note is that he tried to get out of taking the lie detector test by volunteering for work on the day he had to take it and the examiner said the guy tried to use counter measures to beat the test.
factsbotherme ยท 58 points ยท Posted at 15:28:16 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Guys these torches won't stay lit forever, are we lynching him or not?
psuedopseudo ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 15:23:24 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I think a lot of people don't know this, but that is often the real value if the lie detector test - how they act about it. Even if you don't even look at the results, you can tell a lot. After you take it, they might say "we looked at the results... Anything you want to clarify?" A person who is lying will backtrack and try to qualify answers to the questions they were lying about.
IrrationalDesign ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:10:58 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I believe this. It's not a scientific test (or at least not factually determinate like science normally is), used to see if a person is lying. I'd say his behaviour around it is as telling (if not more so) to a behaviour specialist as his results are to a detector specialist. Behaviour is data that can be analysed, and more importantly, usually isn't corrupted by the person (because he's focussing on influencing the lie detector test results).
psuedopseudo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:15:48 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
Exactly. Someone who thinks they are caught lying will retract or try to compromise (like the guy in this video who said, oh, I guess she might have tried to lick cake off of my face, but that's all). There's a scene in the 1999 version of The Winslow Boy where the lawyer they want to hire accuses the kid of several lesser offenses and small misdoings, and he takes the case when the kid still denies all of them, reasoning that he probably really is innocent since a guilty person would offer some middle-ground confessions to fake forthrightness. It's kind of like that.
This effect is even better than results saying the subject lied. Those results are inconclusive, but an admission (even to a lesser transgression) is straight from the subject's mouth. They can then realize the person is trying to beat the test and lie to them.
mawriz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:54:08 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Except people have different personalities and tendencies. Some people are naturally anxious or fearful of authority figures. Some people will just sweat or blush at the thought of being interrogated by a cop and you can't take that at face value.
psuedopseudo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:51:02 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I should clarify. I'm not saying their nervousness is the giveaway (because that's the problem with the lie detector test itself). So it's not about how they act when confronted as much as what they say. So if someone says "oh, yeah I know why it read that way" and gives some convoluted answers, it's a lot more indicative of a lie than "that's weird, but the test is wrong." Or they might say, "fine, I stole money, but it was only five dollars not everything in the wallet!"
To be sure, it's still not always reliable, but it sometimes is much more effective than the actual test.
BrassBass ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 08:57:17 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Did he really think that would work?
jackk225 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:16:52 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Well they did eventually find child pornography on his computer, so...
Maximusplatypus ยท -49 points ยท Posted at 10:37:24 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It's 92% for each question. He failed 4 questions... Chance of all four being false positives is 8%4 = 0.004%... He's lying
TDuncker ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 12:17:43 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It's not a consistent 92% chance. It's an average based on how nervous a person becomes. If a person is extremely nervous, he or she would fail every single question.
Maximusplatypus ยท -18 points ยท Posted at 12:43:08 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That's not true at all.. Your level of nervousness becomes a baseline. You will not fail every single test if you're very nervous. Also, nervousness can be differentiated from the neurological signals of defensiveness when lying
http://mobile.dudamobile.com/site/privatecop?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.privatecop.com%2Fploygraph-lie-detector%2Fpolygraph-frequently-asked-questions.html&utm_referrer=#2876
TDuncker ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 12:57:30 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The initial conversation starts the baseline. If you're not nervous there and someone asks if you killed your own wife, you could become nervous even if you didn't, and get "busted".
EDIT: Also, what's up with that site? I'm vieiwing it through a phone on the site itself.
Maximusplatypus ยท -26 points ยท Posted at 13:04:01 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Why are you just making things up?
TDuncker ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 13:05:49 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry that the university teaches things, that they make up as lies for a joke in my education.
Jagjamin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:33:05 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
What? Baseline is measured when you're at baseline. If your state changes during the questioning, it would show.
That's how it "detects lies". With sufficient pressure without lying, t would detect it as lying. What's the conflict there?
Jacerator ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:33:49 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
But... but... then it should be called a "nervous detector test!"
TDuncker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:37:31 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Also, what's up with that site? I thought it was the mobile. tag, but removing it makes the page not work.
Parabola7001 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:56:37 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You should know that even the inventor of the lie detector later expressed how wrong the machine is and even regretted making it. Literally going on to call it "a Frankenstein monster".
All it does is check vitals, sweat, nervousness. Doesn't mean someone passed or failed the test. There have been tons of people that have passed it with flying colors and were later convicted of killings.
vampLer ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 15:03:33 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
There has to be more to it than that, if that's how it works I would fail horribly. I get nervous when they take my blood pressure.
I_Am_JesusChrist_AMA ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:26:00 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
There's not. All a lie detector test does is measure your body's physical response to a question. A person who is nervous as fuck will have basically the same physical reaction as someone who is lying. It's also why people who are able to keep themselves calm and have more control over their bodies are able to beat the test.
Abedeus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:46:55 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Well yeah, that's why lie detectors are shit.
If you know how to stay calm, keep a steady pace of heart and not sweat too much, you won't be detected. Even if you say you murdered Hitler and wore his skull as a crown.
On the other hand, if you ARE nervous as they're even preparing you for the questioning, you will fail when asked about being Hitler's personal butler and personally murdering a million Jews.
TDuncker ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:23:24 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
There is more to it. Operators can be trained to more or less see what is a person being directly nervous and indirectly(e.g. you getting nervous by the situation, not the question). Though, this is not 100% without fault.
Also, now that you're talking about blood pressure; one of the chief doctors of my town's hospital was teaching blood pressure to us.
He said, that there's occasionally also problems with doctors getting their own blood pressure measured, as they know exactly what's bad and not, so they become more nervous than the average non-doctor over the potential result.
Abedeus ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:49:32 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I used to get allergy shots every month a while ago for 5 years.
My BP would go up by at least 20-30 just because it was being measured in a different setting before an injection. At home I have perfect tests, and when I have Doppler tests I also do well. Hell, I even have high blood pressure when a regular doctor checks it during a normal visit.
Meanwhile, sociopaths (or was it psychopaths? I think psychopaths) are incapable of feeling emotions like these, so they won't show any changes in blood pressure or sweating even if questioned about 70 people they murdered (it has happened in the past).
Abedeus ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 11:36:32 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
Are you dumb or do you just not know how lie detectors work?
If someone stressed you out, made you afraid or nervous, and asked you DID YOU PLAN 9/11 AND DID YOU KILL THE KENNEDY?! you'd almost certainly come out as a LIAR!
Because you were sweating, your heart was racing and you were giving off all of the signs of lying!
Never mind that sociopath mass murderers have passed the lie detector tests before.
edit: sweating, not swearing.
[deleted] ยท -52 points ยท Posted at 12:44:43 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That isn't true.
Abedeus ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 12:58:59 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.google.pl/search?q=mass+murderers+who+passed+lie+detector&oq=mass+murderers+who+passed+lie+detector&aqs=chrome..69i57.4963j0j1&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3243015.stm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygraph#Notable_cases
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/law-order/history-of-polygraphs-and-the-high-profile-cases-lie-detectors-have-been-used-including-oj-simpson/story-fnat7jnn-1226517656221
I like how the last link compares this to ancient methods of checking if someone's mouth went dry during questioning. If it did, he was lying!
Frankly, it's not much more scientific. It's still testing only your body's reactions - reactions that can be suppressed by medicine or training. Grab some beta-blockers and you will pass every lie detection test. Also you won't have blood pressure issues for the next few hours.
Maximusplatypus ยท -53 points ยท Posted at 12:10:08 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Math doesn't lie
Cheveh ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 12:11:22 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The math honestly doesnt make sense. If you're going to give a false positive on one question, the chance is insanely high you'll also give false positives to similar questions
Abedeus ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 12:18:31 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
People who think lie detectors do.
You assume that it's impossible for lie detectors to have extremely high chance of a false positive.
And that one false positive makes it less likely to give false positives for other answers. It's not the case.
If anything, if one answer given is a false positive, that makes the whole process even less reliable. Two false positives means someone is fucking up, and three false positives would mean you can throw the shit out because there's absolutely no reason to trust this thing in the first place.
All of what I wrote is completely useless anyway, since lie detectors don't even detect lies. They detect changes in physiology. Which can happen for a dozen different reasons, giving a false positive, or not change at all giving a false negative.
guess_twat ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:40:44 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Just because he failed the questions doesn't mean they are false positives though.
Abedeus ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:48:35 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Sure.
Except all lie detector "answers" are false anyway. You can create false positives and false negatives by taking beta-blockers or learning how to stay calm when telling a lie. It's not much of a LIE detector when you can learn how to LIE to it.
Maximusplatypus ยท -27 points ยท Posted at 12:39:14 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You missed the probability section of math 9 it seems
Abedeus ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 12:55:00 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You missed the entire section of my post on "lie detectors are a piece of garbage and don't work as people think they do".
D+, please see me after class.
Purpledrank ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 12:38:48 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
"Lie detectors" don't rely on math nor science. Do you really believe that there is a portable device that can tell if someone is lying...?
Maximusplatypus ยท -27 points ยท Posted at 12:43:55 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. With 92-98% accuracy
Purpledrank ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:05:22 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The 92-98% is your point, not your evidence to back up your point. To those who are (rightfully) skeptical about a pseudoscience box that detects lies, they are asking for both valid and sound evidence. Simply assuming that these percentages are valid without any proof is incredibly unscientific, but you can believe what you want.
Maximusplatypus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:45:48 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I know because Dr phil has studied psychology and has reliable data. He knows his stuff
Abedeus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:49:52 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Do you even know how a lie detector works?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:08:08 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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Abedeus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:11:50 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ah yes, the good old dice toss. I mean, scientific apparatus.
Purpledrank ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:17:10 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, it doesn't exist. The people who administer it are the "lie detectors". This guy does, he is a former police officer. He brings up some really great points: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ackeu8d62Q
I know there isn't much space here for a debate. But he has a really excellent point. He says that if he was just a raving quack, and that his arguements and protests against the polygraph were wholly invalid, then why have they put him into federal prison for 2 years? Wouldn't his own quackery just prove how beyond reproach the institutions that use and make polygraphs? Nope, they silenced him because he was right.
52dayslong ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 12:28:06 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Well guys looks like you really can't fix stupid.
DeathsIntent96 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:38:14 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
And just like that you betray your complete misunderstanding of what you're talking about.
Mordecai_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:14:11 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It will remain 92%. Asking more questions won't change the predictive power.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:08:09 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Lie detectors have been a known sham for the passed 20 years least.
Maximusplatypus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:43:45 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
My calculations tell the story
telesterion ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:36:10 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The only agencies that trust it are federal. I have no idea why they trust pseudoscience but I guess it might have to do with stressing them out and hopefully fess up to the truth. Mind games man mind games
HAL9000000 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:37:23 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
I'm not sure that this is accurate that lie detector tests are useless. I think the problem is that they are not 100% accurate. So even if there is 92% accuracy, that 8% makes them worthless in a court because of the chance of a false reading. Unless the test is essentially a truth test, that small doubt we have of the results is enough to not be able to constitutionally allow the results to count.
To think about it another way, lie detector tests are more accurate than human intuition is about whether someone is lying, but otherwise not accurate enough to tell us the truth for sure.
lokitheinane ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 19:29:14 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The people claiming they're 92% accurate are the people selling lie detectors. I think they might be lying.
NoizeTank ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:19:14 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Should we force them to take a lie detector test?
goalstopper28 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:11:34 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Sure but we don't if they are lying.
Close ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:04:06 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Also, 92% accuracy sounds great until you realise a coin toss has a 50% accuracy rate.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:15:58 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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CornPotage ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:22:54 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
So completely useless in other words? 50% is the worst accuracy possible in this case.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:37:02 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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guess_twat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:37:27 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
Courts don't use or trust lie detector tests because they could possibly be manipulated by the state or whoever gives the test, but there there are a number of government agencies that use them, the FBI and the Game and Fish commission give lie detector tests to people they hire.
ca178858 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:04:41 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That way they only hire convincing liars.
Fallenangel152 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:07:59 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Every single Soviet spy ever found passed lie detectors regularly. They offer no protection whatsoever to an employer.
Abedeus ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 11:54:16 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
There are known cases of serial murderers who passed lie detector tests.
The very creator of that machine later regretted it. Because it was something he made without testing properly, police picked it up as something infallible and he knew that innocent people would suffer because of his invention for absolutely no reason.
Purpledrank ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 12:41:42 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. The police want a blank check for gathering evidence, and the company that sells "lie detector boxes" wants continued contracts with the public sector. The whole fucking this is a travesty as tax payers are funding a scam that is used on them. It would be like paying the mafia and them cashing your check then using that money to hurt your parents.
Purpledrank ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 12:31:36 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Lie detectors are pseudoscience garbage and are generally not admissable in court. The polygraph analyzer knows how to ask questions in such a way to make people pass or fail the test. The test giver is deceptive in their attempts to divine an answer for the prosecution, which is the point of lying anyway (to deceive). So it's quite ironic that the "Lie detectors" are administered by people trying to deceive the court system.
There is nothing objective nor scientifically observable about some county clerk with a certification in pseudoscience.
guess_twat ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:43:51 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Say what you want about a lie detector test.....the guy was obviously lying. When he was asked if he ever stuck his tongue in his daughters mouth....You didn't even need to hear the answer to know the truth.
Purpledrank ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:56:26 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Don't listen to me. Listen to this guy who was sent to federal prison for protesting the lie detector test
He was, investigated and charged because, and he quotes the customs and border officer who initiated his investigation: "To go after the one who has protested the loudest and longest against the polygraph."
I know America isn't as bad as say China where people just disappear and at a far greater rate. But you have to admit, him being arrested for protesting the polygraph is is no different in the end to what China does. The only difference is the difference between Federal Prison and a PRC prison.
TakeOffYourMask ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:17:42 on November 24, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Did a quick Google on the guy and this article says he was training people to pass lie detector tests even if they're lying:
http://www.businessinsider.com/the-crazy-story-of-an-ex-cop-who-ran-a-website-that-taught-people-how-to-cheat-polygraphs-2015-5
So if you're actively trying to help people beat the rap, maybe there's something to be said for being punished for that? I don't know enough about all of this to say.
Purpledrank ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:34:23 on November 24, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You're premise is wrong though. The lie detector test can't detect if someone is lying. So, with regards to the polygraph training he provided, he never trained people to get away with lying or deceiving the courts. He was training them on how to outwit a county clerk with a certification in pseudoscience.
He isn't the first person to go prison over silly charges because he pissed off someone in the federal government. America has a long history of putting people in prison like this with silly laws such as the Espionage and Sedition Acts.
To say that a large and powerful government can pass amorale laws and use them against their people would be more accurate. There are a lot of laws that people can be busted on if investigated enough. A person could fill out a form incorrectly and bam, interstate mail fraud, hopefully they enjoy the food at Federal Prison. It comes down to if the prosecution, judge and investigators want to spend the resources on putting someone away, and in this case, that guy was bad for business-- so the answer was yes. They even stated to wanting to put him in prison for protesting the polygraph.
Technoist ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 12:06:07 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Lie detector tests are complete rubbish and this has been known for a long, long time.
It's pathetic that people still use it. (I didn't expect more from Dr. Phil though.)
timidforrestcreature ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 13:05:51 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
FBI has publicly said lie detector tests are as good as guessing.
It's literally theatrics to scare people.
PPaniscus ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 11:04:04 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
92% percent accuracy is bullshit, and even if it was 92 percent accurate, that's not nearly enough to be conclusive.
Also the problem with child porn is that the vast majority of it was created by a child's suffering, and this guy using it supports that industry
esr360 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:57:13 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
92% of the time, it works every time.
arti214 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 14:24:47 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Just to be clear not all child porn is forcible or statutory rape and not all of it includes children suffering. The problem with the word child porn is it includes everything from nude or lewdly posed images, all the way to child rape. When you hear someone being arrested for child porn, it could be anything from 1 image of a 17 year old girl in a downloaded collection of thousands of photos, or an extensive collection of rape videos.
Beelzeballz ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:54:38 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I think you were downvoted because you do come off as sort of apologistic, but it is important to remember that "child porn" is a very broad term.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:35:11 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
"Teen Porn" is one of the top porn searches, along with MILF porn and big boobs or whatever. It pulls up millions of search results on Google, all of them legal. The girls can sometimes be portrayed as 13-year-olds, letting common fantasies be seen.
"Child porn" is NOT remotely close to those desires. Yes, technically a 17-year-old is underage porn, but that's not really what the idea of illegal "child porn" is. At all. These are children who have been coerced or forced to do sexual things or be naked on camera by their parents, gaurdians, caretakers or kidnapper.
If the police search your computer and find a naked sixteen year old in your pictures... I doubt they'd bat an eye. Four year old? You're under arrest immediately.
If you scoured the deep web for naked underage teens then you're looking for trouble, but the random underrage girl in all the videos you've seen (and I garuntee you've unknowingly watched one on a legal porn site) isn't going to make the cops come knocking at your door.
Abedeus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:53:53 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody gets randomly arrested for a photo of nearly legal girl.
It's almost always someone who was known for buying or downloading en mass a shitload of porn of actually underage kids, ones you would never confuse for an adult.
arti214 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:05:50 on December 9, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
No they absolutely do. In fact, a man was arrested for having photos of a LEGAL girl, because she "looked underage".
http://nypost.com/2010/04/24/a-trial-star-is-porn/
Can you imagine a headline with your name "Abedeus faces 20 years for having child pornography"
DesertDrummer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:08:31 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure why you got downvoted, it's not like you were advocating for lie detector tests. You were just laying down the facts.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:48:16 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The guy himself said he had anxiety and anger issues, it's not surprising he "failed" the lie detector test, that doesn't mean he's lying
bang_ding_ow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:39:10 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Update on Dr. Phil website for more info
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:54:29 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
If that's true, why doesn't he show up in the Michigan sex offender registry? There's nothing under his name.
BecaBeast ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:10:23 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
He's in the Colorado one. I guess he moved.
Speakeasy__ ยท 526 points ยท Posted at 11:49:59 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ugh.
dothrakipoe ยท 79 points ยท Posted at 16:50:35 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You know Bonnie lost her shit at that response too.
SFThirdStrike ยท 67 points ยท Posted at 15:30:35 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Wow...
[deleted] ยท 105 points ยท Posted at 14:22:33 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I used to be somewhat of a compulsive liar when I was a kid. All these weirdly extended awkward pauses where he's "thinking" are 50% him thinking about how to answer without being self contradictory and 50% terror of being caught in the lie.
thatonemeandude ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:33:17 on November 27, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
how do i know you're not lying right now
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:36:46 on December 11, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
As another pathological liar/psychopath, this guy is total shit at lying. How does one go on Dr. Phil and not expect some curveballs like that? He wasn't even asking very difficult questions...Bring on the polygraph too..those things are easy peasy.
LFBR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:17:56 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
How am I supposed to believe you're a psychopath if you're a pathological liar.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:17:33 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You can trust that I'm a psychopath. I'm just lying about being a pathological liar.
lipstickpizza ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:06:13 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That and the fact that he tries to spin the blame on his wife:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNQNxDdaKzk
[deleted] ยท 226 points ยท Posted at 07:49:21 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 65 points ยท Posted at 16:37:14 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think any actor in his right mind would sign up for the role of 'guy who molests own daughter'.
RafTheKillJoy ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 17:30:45 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
dat money tho
chbay ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:49:26 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'd sell out fosho
Gh0stw0lf ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:04:04 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Thought the same thing like he was doing it for the show money. The way OP phrased it leaves ambiguity. He should have said "lying about not raping his daughter
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:29:15 on November 24, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Makes sense to Ben Carson.
[deleted] ยท 64 points ยท Posted at 11:37:51 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Digging around in Google I found this, from right around the time Jeremy went on that show:
sugarmittens ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 17:05:10 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I know they used the child's first name on the show, but I'm surprised that a newspaper would use her name when it had to do with molestation
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:26:22 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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philipstyrer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:38:49 on November 24, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
How do you know he wasn't being molested though. I don't understand why you use the word "obviously". To an outside observer there's no reason not to believe that he's telling the truth. If it was true he probably wouldn't do it while you were around.
bfauxn ยท 225 points ยท Posted at 07:36:56 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Wow. Finally found someone that lies worse then me.
Vetriz ยท 371 points ยท Posted at 11:12:10 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
Hmm... Let me think of someone that lies worse than me................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................Lies worse than me, lies worse than me, lies worse than me................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................... Nope, can't think of anyone.
Edit: I used "then" inappropriately.
xGordon ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 14:46:35 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
let me just pick my brain on this topic, as there are many possible situations that could arise that this would happen accidentally
SaavikSaid ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:53:01 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
~Norman Bates
Or this
khando ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 15:07:41 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It's than!
dandaman0345 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:36:24 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
When bfauxn did it I brushed it off, but than Vetriz did it like, three times.
[deleted] ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 15:44:55 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท -20 points ยท Posted at 16:47:00 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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dcwj ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:01:39 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
your*
McRodo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:42:24 on December 1, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Nice try, the best liars are the ones that convince other people they are bad liars.
[deleted] ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 16:11:03 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'm watching all the parts on YouTube. Holy fuck, my heart is breaking for that little girl when she's crying and saying she doesn't want to go to her fathers house but is forced to. I couldn't imagine being in that situation. You don't want to send her but you're forced to by law. I'm nauseous right now just thinking about it
Warboo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:12:13 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I had to hug my 8 month old daughter after this segment. I don't think I would be able to let go of her in this situation. Every fiber in my body would be telling me to run as fast as I could. Just thinking about it makes my heart race.
monstersinsideus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:04:23 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Could you link to that or say what part it's at?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:06:56 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Someone links it further down. On the right side of the YouTube channel, all the videos are there :)
[deleted] ยท 87 points ยท Posted at 08:45:11 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
gross
irssildur ยท -65 points ยท Posted at 15:01:36 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
In some culture giving a kiss on the lips of the child, sibling, best friend etc. isn't gross. For me, it's gross. For me it's normal to give kiss on the cheek to my parents, to my siblings, to my (female) friends (sometimes male friends as well, but that's a bit gross, I try to avoid if I can). For some cultures it's too much. It's gross (almost got slapped by a female friend because of this, she said it's too intimate in their culture).
I'm not trying to defend him (as in the above comments they stated that his intentions weren't clean). But you have to see, that kissing your relatives/friends has a large variety, and I can imagine, that tongue kiss in some culture doesn't have any sexuality, just a pure indication of love.
Hughtoc ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 15:20:14 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
There's a big difference between a closed mouth kiss on the lips and feeding your child cake by sliding your tongue in their mouth.
irssildur ยท -51 points ยท Posted at 15:26:01 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
One could say there is a big difference between a kiss on the cheeks and giving a kiss on the lips. For me the latter is clearly has a sexual context.
Why is this downvoted? Are you guys xenophobe?
Hughtoc ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 15:39:37 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, i thought we were talking about the tongue action from the video. I don't feel a closed mouth kiss is sexual between a kid and their parents. I kiss my dog on the mouth all the time and im not sexualizing him. I'm speaking from being a kid that kissed their parents on the mouth though. I don't have kids.
Misspiggy856 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:53:32 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I have kids and kiss them on the lips (and cheeks) and it's not sexual what so ever. The problem doesn't lie in the action, but in the sick person doing it (who gets turned on).
irssildur ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 17:35:51 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, that's the cultural difference. For me, kissing on the lips is something I would do with my girlfriend when we meet, etc. but not with my siblings / kids.
So in another country like Lithuania where kissing on the cheek is gross from friends, just imagine how they would react to a parent kissing the kid on the lips.
Hughtoc ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:48:43 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Why bring up cultural differences in the first place though? No culture thinks what the man in the video did is the norm.
didled ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:55:29 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This guy molested his child that's what is so fucking gross
irssildur ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 18:07:57 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Where the hell I've said molesting a child is acceptable?
And some argument would be really cool from the downvoting side. I presented some facts that are different in different cultures. Yet all I get back is just downvotes and crying on what I have never said.
didled ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:14:15 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The original comment said "gross" and you went on a tangent basically justifying tonguing a 3 year old on account of different cultures. The original comment was about him molesting his daughter you fool
irssildur ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 18:22:37 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Kissing on the lips would be seen as molesting for a lots of people tho. That's all what I'm saying. Cultures are different. What is gross for you maybe not gross for me. What is gross for me, might be gross for other people. Although kissing a child with tongues is unacceptable for me, kissing on the lips is less, but still unacceptable, we need to see that there are people out there who doesn't see kissing on the lips gross, or sexual (in my opinion it's clearly sexual). So, as I stated in my first comment, I don't try to defend the guy, he is clearly a pedo, but we must be aware that kissing the child / friend / parent has a variety across the cultures, so the tongue kiss might not indicate sexual drive. Unlikely, but please, try to understand what I'm trying to say.
bluejaysocean ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:57:27 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ok, we understand there are cultures where kissing relatives on the cheek is normal, but that is irrelevant to this because a dude put his tongue in his daughters mouth and is now a convicted pedophile.
irssildur ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:07:43 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
But I'm not talking about the guy for fucks sake. I'm talking about that saying this is gross can vary between cultures.
Abedeus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:08:53 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Except he didn't kiss her on the lips, he put a tongue inside her mouth.
Nobody gives a shit about "oh no kissing a kid on the lips is gross", that is part of the culture. Which is why nobody understands why you brought it up to defend/explain a rapist's actions.
irssildur ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:03:09 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Neither me. After all this, neither me.
Abedeus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:07:27 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Because you're trying to excuse a guy who PUT HIS TONGUE INSIDE HIS OWN DAUGHTER'S MOUTH because "in some cultures kissing on the lips isn't gross".
There's kissing and there's French kissing a fucking child.
irssildur ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 19:17:44 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. You are right. I'm trying to excuse the guy. Yep. Now I now. The fact that I've written down at least 2 times that I'm not trying to defend the guy, there are people how still accuse me that I'm trying to defend him. Ok, you win. I'm trying to defend him. That's my goal. I've tried to trick you with saying I'm not trying to defend him.
/s
Brion777 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:15:57 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah... But he's clearly an American.
AngryWatchmaker ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:07:22 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Don't you know that your not supposed to put your tongue in a childs mouth?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:46:06 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
No, performing sexual acts with 6 year olds is gross, and you're gross for thinking otherwise. Go die in a fire.
irssildur ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 17:25:52 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
LOL?
Please try to actually read what I wrote.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:08:45 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I did read what you wrote, but that's not what anybody in this thread is talking about and it ended up with you seemingly defending a paedophile. Maybe you should read what you write.
irssildur ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:09:45 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'm aware what I wrote, thank you.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:10:35 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You aren't though.
irssildur ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:19:50 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
If you say so.
Cadavertiser ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:32:54 on November 25, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
http://replygif.net/1023
mynameisalso ยท 221 points ยท Posted at 10:15:57 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
It's super easy to tell he's lying. Liars talk waaaay too much. If this wasn't so sad it'd be funny. So fucking ridiculous. Well if I was sleep walking... If I done something I wish there was tape..
kidbackstab ยท 80 points ยท Posted at 10:58:24 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You're absolutely right. People who are lying will try and over-explain a simple question so much, because they're trying so hard to convince that person of the lie.
Once you know that, it's bonkers to see people like this try so hard to lie their way out of the situation.
everestCS ยท 75 points ยท Posted at 16:49:29 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
that's not reliable at all. I'm a nervous wreck. I do this often when I tell the truth not because I'm trying to convince people of a lie, but because I'm so afraid of the repercussions if they don't believe the truth.
almighty_ruler ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 23:08:06 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ever since Lie To Me came out everyone thinks they're Dr. Ekman all of a sudden. "Oh look his eyes darted left and his mouth twitched, confirmed liar!"
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:46:31 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I loved that show but you're absolutely right. My mom watched that show religiously and thought I was lying about eating something (I can't remember if she was blaming me for eating something or for not eating something and throwing it away) because I made a small frown when she yelled at me about it. It was so dumb.
almighty_ruler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:00:02 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
If you're into podcasts you should check out an episode of The Bryan Callen Show from about a month ago that Dr. Ekman was on, pretty good stuff. I'd also recommend any of the episodes that his dad, Michael Callen, was on.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:25:07 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'm really into podcasts. Do they have a direct site or do they post to something like sound cloud? I always like to get it from the closest thing to the source as possible to show better support, I hope I'm not treating you like human google though!
almighty_ruler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:29:11 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think he has his podcasts archived on his site so you can only listen to the most recent one there. I primarily use podkicker and there I believe you can get every episode he's done for the past few years.
kidbackstab ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 17:53:29 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Of course there are exceptions, but that doesn't mean that I'm wrong or that it's not reliable. It just means that it's different for you.
There's some pretty basic telltale signs to figure out if someone is lying, and this guy is the poster child for just about all of them.
Bwandon ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 19:31:11 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Not really though. All of these so called 'telltale signs' are often done by people who are just simply nervous. The fact is that a given person already believes the other is innocent or guilty prior to asking questions, and a lot of people use your logic with a heavy amount of confirmation bias. It has no place in law.
kidbackstab ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:18:27 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
And you're using your own logic to have just as much confirmation bias because you don't believe it.
I'm not saying it has any place in law. And there are plenty of people who are magnificent liars. But that doesn't mean that you can't tell when people are lying. Nervousness and lying are cousins, sure. But they're not the same thing. And just like with anything else, if you spend enough time with both you can learn to tell them apart.
We have whole professions and studies and sciences behind telling if someone is lying. If it was as easy as saying "Nah, he's just nervous.", then we wouldn't have needed those things in the first place.
So, yes you're right that they look similar and that some people react differently. But that doesn't mean that I'm wrong.
Bwandon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:29:24 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You were asserting that you could read these 'telltale' signs to reliably spot liars. I don't wholly disagree with everything you've said, but i think it can be dangerous to assume these particular behaviours are significantly more likely to be displayed when lying than other circumstances.
My point was not to wave off everything as 'he's just nervous'. My point is that the 'studies and sciences' surrounding deception are somewhat inconclusive, and there is no foolproof way of detecting this deception. Until then it is not really appropriate to decide that you yourself have a great system of spotting liars...especially when those liars are based around serious issues like the child molesting in this video. Making the wrong assumptions in these cases can ruin lives, we need to be careful.
kidbackstab ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:42:38 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'm saying that with knowledge of what to look for when someone is lying, there is greater chances that you can tell if a person is lying or not.
I never said that it's a reliable system, I just implied that there is at least A system. And I agree that it's not something that's foolproof and that it can, and I've no doubt has ruined people's lives. But if you're saying that just because it's not 100%, that we shouldn't use it is naive. We use the information given to us, and hope for the best.
Look, I think that with enough awareness and training, you can spot a liar within a certain degree of reasonability. If you don't, that's fine. But that doesn't make either of us wrong.
Bwandon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:06:31 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Well, yes, actually I agree with you mostly. I think we can accurately use that system in our social environments. I mean we do this naturally, just through how we read the body language of the other.
My issue was with generalising these little telltale signs to serious accusations, or using it as evidence. I thought that's what you were asserting based on the nature of this video, but I see now that isn't your viewpoint.
almighty_ruler ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:08:32 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ok Dr. Ekman.
Purpledrank ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 12:51:45 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Not everyone who talks to much is a liar. You have a sound point, but it's not a valid one. Same reason for trying to declare that anyone who breaks eye contact while talking is a liar. There is no certainty either way if someone is doing either or both.
Some people are good at lying and know all the "tricks" you can think of. Mostly speaking with conviction, maintain eye contact using confrontational body langauge (appearing to come near you when they speak to make it sound like they are not lying, whereas most people who suck at lying will shrink up and take up less space). In fact, sometimes when people abruptly appear to have a lot of conviction, that is an indication that they are lying.
The single best way to determine if someone is lying is context. Did they recently change their body language and tone greatly, without a clear need to be that emotional. Dr Phil is a good liar for example, he uses his concerns about not having any "Pre Judgements" to lure the guy into saying incriminating shit. He obviously has pre-judgements, else why would he bring someone onto the show to ask them if he raped their own kid. What, was this just normal screening...?
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 14:44:08 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It's ironic that people always associate these behaviors with lying. Many people do both of these things when having an uncomfortable conversation. Doesn't mean they're lying.
intheblender ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:52:18 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Even if you are accused of doing something you really didn't do, you want to explain or figure out how people misconstrued what happened. So him talking too much really isn't a true indicator of lying.
I_HaveAHat ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 13:49:30 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
FTFY
tschwib ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:33:18 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
There is no 100% tell-tale sign of lying. There could always be other reasons.
1III1I1II1III1I1II ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:26:26 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I hope you're never on a jury.
I'm not saying he's not guilty, but there's nothing conclusive at all that he is lying. Plenty of people are awkward when put in front of a camera. You may as well be saying that you don't trust his face, or that he gives you bad vibes, so he's definitely guilty.
mynameisalso ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:31:41 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Christ dude chill out.
MuseofRose ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:01:40 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Not necessairly true at all. For example I am the worst liar (these days) but even I know that if you keep your lies short and move on you be good to go. A lot of people lie like that along with emphatic denial.
Though, I keep rambling when we have dead air though. (Which is a well-known negotiation/debate tactic)
Sakisaka ยท 67 points ยท Posted at 11:37:59 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
"Hmmm... i don't THINK so... lemme think"
esr360 ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 13:52:42 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
At the 8:30 mark he's sitting there trying to think repeating the words "molested, molested, molested...hmmm" it's a bit weird
1III1I1II1III1I1II ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:27:21 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
[justice] He's taking time to think! That's all i need to know. Throw the book at him! [/justice]
[deleted] ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 20:35:29 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
"Oh... molested as a child, molested as a child,
Molested,molested,molested,molested"
Hand signal.
"I don't think so"
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:38:59 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That was the weirdest part
lvalmp ยท 106 points ยท Posted at 06:50:02 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This is heartbreaking
kalifornija ยท 63 points ยท Posted at 07:12:41 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It really is. I hope that little girl is okay.
W_O_M_B_A_T ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 07:40:58 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
She will be eventually, after lots of therapy.
floppybeef ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 11:12:34 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Or not.
[deleted] ยท 75 points ยท Posted at 12:27:25 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Puppies never die, starvation doesn't exist, all drug addicts get clean, and all rape victims end up ok. Lalalalallaa
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 14:48:59 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
safe space
SpaceFace5000 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 02:29:45 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Or not. Ya know, who cares? You're all still gonna jack off tonight.
floppybeef ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:43:13 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
What the fuck does that even mean?
broden ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 15:05:10 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Therapy is not a cure, it is damage control.
fixthecopier ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:15:54 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I know. I wanted mom to attack him when she heard the results. Also, I got sucked into watching an hour's worth of Dr. Phil.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:18:09 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I watched two hours worth... There are two follow ups. :/
Purges_Mustache ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:45:57 on November 28, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I tried finding the follows ups but only got short clips. Did this guy go to jail?
TheLimeyLemmon ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 16:49:27 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
My skin crawled once or twice during this. This isn't even entertaining cringe, he's just disgusting.
mime454 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 18:48:40 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I lost it when he was asked if he knew anyone who was molested as a child and then he acted like he was running through everyone he knew and making sure they weren't molested.
AnAngryBitch ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 19:22:36 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Well, if I did something while I was sleep walking..... Jesus.
whiteboy1190 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:16:07 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
But he doesn't think he sleepwalks so it's cool.
AnAngryBitch ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:20:10 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, he's never sleep walked before, so, everything should be all right in that department. Unless he suddenly started sleep walking and doing things.
guyver_dio ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:43:19 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
On yeah sure I'll totally do one bring it on but um, cough just remember that I uh, you know have anxiety and uh cough get a little nervous and uh you know I mean I could have done anything sleep walking cough so I don't know if it'll be accurate enough for you but yeh totally if you think it'll help. But like what day cause I gotta be back at work and you know life's just go go go at the moment but if we can work out a time sure.
Soft_Serve88 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 21:09:54 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
"molested as a child, molested as a child... molested molested molested molest....."
Incoherentrant ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 18:07:49 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
The end when Dr. Phil asks him if he knows anyone who was molested...the way he motions his thought process of trying to remember if someone was molested, like you would see when someone carries the 1 in a long multiplication problem, scared me.
[deleted] ยท 51 points ยท Posted at 14:39:03 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The fuck, you have abuse cases being investigated on television?
quickie_ss ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 15:09:23 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That's what I was thinking. Why is something so serious being dramatized on a show that no one takes seriously?
monstersinsideus ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:02:17 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It does take people seriously. Seriously exploiting their pain for profit. It's disgusting, but rarely do they not take it seriously. On dr. Phil and Steve Wilkos anyway.
monstersinsideus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:02:44 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It's entertaining! Other people's pain is just a riot.
CrabStarShip ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:37:10 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
a little 3 year old girls pain is riot? Wow
monstersinsideus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:36:21 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yup. Everyone's pain is for profit and there wouldn't be so much profit if people weren't so damn entertained by it.
iamkindofodd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:30:19 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
ac
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:29:23 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
Almost as awkward as the interview with the Bum Fights guy
gosports123 ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 19:31:45 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
did he cut his hair to look like Dr. phil? lol
almighty_ruler ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:14:19 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yes.
dandaman0345 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:45:20 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
How do people actually fall for this stupid shit?
RightHandOnly ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:41:24 on November 26, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
He was kind of right in saying that Dr. Phil does the same. It might be on a different level, but it doesnt change the fact that his show is based on the same idea, just like in ancient rome. This disgusting human behavior has been around forever, it just matters if you can make the consumer forget about what he is actually doing or not.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:53:43 on November 26, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/bumfights-creators-flee-thailand-after-arrest-posting-babys-head-body-parts-us-1475211
RightHandOnly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:39:15 on November 26, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
sure, he is a bastard that should get punished. that doesn't change my point, that his business worked for the same reasons dr. phil earns money
Dildo_Gagginss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:44:24 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I thought something totally different when I saw "bum fights" haha
[deleted] ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 16:58:52 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
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SaavikSaid ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:00:20 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Don't know what the legal definition is, but he was convicted for contributing to the delinquency of a minor.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:32:39 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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SaavikSaid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:52:55 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That was after all this came out, I thought the question was more along the lines of, if he got in trouble for having sex with a 14 year old girl when he was 21.
LinguisticPenguin14 ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 19:01:15 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'll do it for you, Dr. Phil. ( อกยฐ อส อกยฐ)
Andaroodle ยท 120 points ยท Posted at 08:11:35 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Dr Phil is a dick to his crew in the beginning.
[deleted] ยท 201 points ยท Posted at 08:45:46 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
he was creating dramatic tension and it's pretty clear they kinda knew that. I'd assume the crew working with Dr. Phil aren't new to drama.
JoelQ ยท 147 points ยท Posted at 08:57:20 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
He also wanted to create the perception that their conversation would be unfilmed.
npinguy ยท 55 points ยท Posted at 11:47:15 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
"Hey guys can we have the room for some privacy please?"
Not
"OUT!"
[deleted] ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 08:58:35 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
it was a technical play, that's about it
MouthPoop ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 20:43:58 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
He was being a dick.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:09:20 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like he got you hook line and sinker. He's a business man.
MouthPoop ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 04:35:05 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I would respectfully disagree and say he got you.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:48:25 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That's nice but you're wrong. Forming an asshole/not asshole opinion about him is exactly what he wants his audience to do. Better viewership.
MouthPoop ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:02:55 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I don't go out of my way to watch Dr. Phil. I don't consider myself to be part of his audience. I don't find him to be as intelligent as he makes himself out to be. It doesn't matter if he previously told the crew beforehand they were shooting, or if it was staged or not. The perception he is creating is still at the expense of that man he yells at, as a power play. There are better examples of showing power than yelling "out" to your crew. I worked in production for a few years on television, so I have a bias.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:23:53 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You've expressed emotion about his actions. You care to an extent. You've been had.
MouthPoop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:16:42 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I've elaborated on an observation about his actions, where he was being a dick.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:58:38 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Right, and I'm saying that you even thinking he's a dick or not a dick makes you caught by his game. You've been had. He's a great businessman.
MouthPoop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:33:43 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Right, and I can make a moral call without being emotionally affected when it comes to people I have no emotional stake in. You repeating yourself doesn't make you right. You're wrong.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:23:08 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You should look up this word "context" since you have no clue what it is or means
MouthPoop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:56:02 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, I will! Thanks! I appreciate all your help.
psychobilly1 ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 14:59:25 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
They were probably acting about the entire situation in order to create a spontaneous atmosphere while also creating dramatic tension.
I doubt they were dressing the set or working on lighting with the cameras prepared and on. I'm not sure how set cameras work, but I get the feeling that they still have to be turned on, moved, and set up by a crew, even if they don't have to be present while the cameras are running.
It's all for the audience.
RealRealGood ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:45:00 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
A crew member does say at the beginning they were setting up for the second show. Talk shows sometimes film multiple episodes or parts of episodes in one day, and Dr. Phil occasionally does interviews in that tiny room or similar for certain guests that wouldn't be appropriate to have in front of a full audience. Like a recent episode where he interviewed one of Jared Fogel's victims.
That being said the beginning of this clip does seem a little forced and staged. Nice dramatic tension though.
MrTheDevious ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:38:34 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It was for the drama in this episode, but there's quite a bit of other stuff on the net about him actually being a dick to everyone all the time
hippity_dippity123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:53:02 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Its completely set up. He orders the entire crew out but somehow there are crew to film the conversation. This isn't the first time 'Dr' Phil has manufactured things like that.
example - The way he pretends this spontaneous cutting wasn't pre edited
obadetona ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:00:04 on December 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, you sweet summer child. That's called acting...
echisholm ยท 80 points ยท Posted at 11:03:31 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit, SOOO many cues. Eye registration, exaggerated facial expressions, excessive detail, touching and hand tics, it's like an NLP practitioner's wet dream.
my_lucid_nightmare ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 15:39:45 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
Tangent: Is NLP still all about how to attempt to control people in social settings without them being aware of it? Do they still categorize target people as "dogs," or "sheep," and themselves as "wolves?"
I knew a group of NLP devotees. Their dances with mind-games and attempts to control others' behavior was as obvious as it was immoral. They wanted to believe that they had these keys to the kingdom of social power that they alone knew how to use. And since they were the chosen educated few, it was their privilege to fuck with people and persuade them, preferably without the targets' knowledge.
Borderline cultists and sociopaths.
echisholm ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:44:45 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Honest NLP practice isn't about controlling other people via hard-wired mechanisms. Instead, its just another tool in a therapist's Toolbox, like behavior modification therapy, to help zero in on areas the patient might not be honest about, even to themselves. There's plenty of opportunities for abuse and misapplication, but ethical use of the techniques can be helpful in overcoming strong psychological blocks and bring about emotional breakthroughs.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:37:18 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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echisholm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:56:10 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Man, that sounds like some Mystery Method shit there at best, and some abusive sociopathic exploitation at worst. It's therapeutic, similar to how subconscious suggestion is also therapeutic in nature. Both have possibility to be used to exploit people, and anyone who teaches means to exploit others with any kind of psychological methodology is highly unethical and should be ignored at the least.
For a good, positive overview of NLP, I'd recommend reading Frogs to Princes by Richard Bandler and John Grinder; I'm pretty sure you can download it for free.
almighty_ruler ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:12:10 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'm guessing they were social weirdos who thought they were now pickup artists?
mnky9800n ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 08:27:05 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
NLP is exactly like pickup artistry (ugh) except that they aren't so overtly mean to everyone. They just do things like "look You are looking up and to the right! that means your brain is doing something that I can now control!" etc.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:27:03 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This guy has a really strange way of deflecting questions and being over the top in how "honest" he is. "There's nothing I can think of that I've ever done." But he says he has to replay everything in his head. His shitty doublespeak doesn't really make him look innocent. What a despicable fuckwad. "You're being falsely accused?" Long pause. "I hate to say it, but I guess."
cosmictap ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:53:48 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
โI don't think I sleepwalk, but...โ
Behold, Reddit: up flies the world's biggest and most cringeworthy trial balloon.
redundanthero ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 14:01:06 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Believe these are the lie detector results
Liz_Me ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:23:18 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
The second part of this
The third part
There's like 7 ...
-shannon-m- ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:25:11 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
i just watched all 8 parts... started to get really good when dr. phil began flipping out at jeremy.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:55:31 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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-shannon-m- ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:18:39 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
either in part 6 or 7 towards the ending of the videos
nippycrisp ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:02:13 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Sweet Jimmeny Christ. Sandusky held up better than he did.
scottysunday ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:41:20 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNQNxDdaKzk
Unwatchable
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:01 on November 28, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit what a piece of work.
"I'll probably get mugged or something when I come out of here"
Whole audience applauds
JezzaN1 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:59:41 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
i feel so incredibly uneasy after watching this. i don't like this at all.
Tom-ocil ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:45:28 on November 27, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Perfect!
RealGsDontSleep ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:49:54 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I was just sleep walking lol. I can't believe people actually go on these shows.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 12:30:54 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ooooh man, I just went back and watched all of the parts for that episode.
I love this show, never seen it before. It's like a slightly more hardcore version of Jeremy Kyle.
Sturgeon_Genital ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:41:20 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
My lifestyle's unbearably wild
But you'll never see me
On the Jeremy Kyle show
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:12:25 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a tractor :-
DomHaynie ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:25:20 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I went straight to 3:33, then stopped after he said โI'm not gonna put my tongue in my daughter's not the mouth." I'll probably watch the whole video eventually, but that was pretty gross.
DapperDano ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:04:17 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Freako pedophile dude aside, Dr. Phil is such a piece of garbage.
Bro_magnon_man ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:48:41 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Guys, if you've committed a serious taboo or crime that you have been covering up for years, two quick tips: 1. Don't go on tv to talk about it. 2. Don't take a lie detector on tv, or at all if possible. Hope this clears things for a few of you on the fence.
Dee540 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:09:17 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks, sherlock.
ToumeyP ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:14:17 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
As a lover of "To Catch a Predator" this was great to watch.
ShbeblyTheGreat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:45:45 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That's fucking disgusting
jackk225 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:15:03 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I just watched the entire series about this. I wish I hadn't.
scoobyfloobie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:20:01 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
3:39 was brutal. True cringe.
knittykittyemily ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:35:00 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
"Molested in their childhood, molested in their child hood, molested, molested, molested...hmmm" what the fuck!?
hippity_dippity123 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:44:29 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The set up was cringe too. As though Dr Phil just casually walked into the set without anyone knowing what was going on - "Out" - "Yes Sir"
fafa_flunky ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:55:32 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'm 100% certain I don't have to think about it for a split second if you ask me whether I put birthday cake in someone's mouth with my tongue.
letsgetblitzed ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:56:42 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ugh. I proceeded to watch this whole episode, the whole thing is just massive cringe on his part, the way he horribly over-acts his terrible responses
Mintilina ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:03:23 on November 24, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I don't have the state of mind to research more into this. Is his daughter still living with him?
-JAZ- ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:34:22 on November 27, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This guy ended up going to prison for kiddie porn.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 12:04:05 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It's so hard for me to believe that these kinds of show aren't fabricated.
velvenhavi ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 12:44:54 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
hes totally one of the sandy hook actors
Sovietrussia92 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 17:02:13 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
no. there's no way any person would pose as someone like this on national television with their face front and center.
wilhil ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:51:36 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
Someone shared a link with the same guy a few days ago. I only watched for 5 seconds and had no idea on the context of why he was on Dr Phil... Makes me feel bad now....
https://youtu.be/ijyUtnPTUKg?t=4m27s
Exessen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:59:24 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Can't really laugh at this kind of cringe. What a fucking piece of shit.
589547521563 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:17:47 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Why do these people get on the show?
tollforturning ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:26:38 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Because they have the right qualifications.
UniQueLyEviL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:47:26 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
O______o ew!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:00:45 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It hurts me so much, that someone would bring another human into this world, only to hurt them in the worst ways possible.
imdftoned ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:48:21 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
So did he do the polygraph or what
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:35:33 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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imdftoned ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:51:14 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Not really sure what I expected.
Dee540 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:21:47 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That's what most people say when they stick their head up their ass.
100skylines ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:56:32 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, I don't think I sleepwalk
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:52:17 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
/r/cringe has been pretty underwhelming these past few months. This, however, is high quality cringe.
Isrulius ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:27:55 on November 26, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Here's the follow-up with the results of his lie detector test: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3FrRKl0VJk
Eteacles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:53 on November 26, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This is amazing
BeatsAroundNoBush ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:08:18 on November 27, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
9:15: Some more cringe to add to the pile.
jeromebeckett ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:02:38 on December 6, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
"Do you think you have good judgement?"
"Good judgement? Uhh... I'd say that's difficult to answer."
Obviously you don't then hahaha
ALUMINUM_MONSTER_AMA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:06:27 on December 8, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
"Dr. Phil, to be very honest with you, the only thing that I can tell you, is there is one crime I've committed: I love my daughter."
If you were innocent, you would never phrase a sentence in this way.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:46 on December 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ouch. I know this is an old post, but...ouch.
Worst. Fucking. Liar. Ever.
Holy fuck, what a piece of shit.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:11:41 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
I guess I'm the only person who doesn't think he is obviously lying. Is he lying? Maybe, but I didn't see anything that makes him guilty. An acquaintance of mine was accused of the same thing by his baby mommas, momma (his would be mother-in-law if the two had stayed together). For two years he was in and out of court and looking guilty-ish, but nobody knew for sure because it was so unlike him. All of a sudden, the mom moved to settle it through mediation and there the issue died. Another year goes by and the ex admits that she stopped the whole thing because she found out her mother made it up. I know this is not the normal circumstance, because most people would never make something like this up and also that 99.9% of cases are very serious. However, many people assumed this guy was lying. Even I though he was guilty. The woman who made the accusation was a prominent figure in our city, which led to her credibility even more. Are people saying that if his daughter did have a yeast infection due to neglect, and he 'checked' in a totally 'medical' way, that this is wrong? I see a guy that is trying to choose his words carefully, but whether that is due to lying or just fear from being accused is not clear.
I'm not trying to argue with anybody or under-play the seriousness of child abuse. I'm also not saying this guy is innocent. I'm simply saying that you cannot make an accusation or assumption based on this video... What if another video surfaced of the mother and it turns out she is bat shit crazy??? What has the daughter/victim said regarding the accusation (probably most important)? If this had any real merit, why are police and child services not involved? Does anybody know more about the case from an unbiased source?
AGAIN, I am not interested in arguing about whether child abuse/molestation is a horrible thing. Of course it is. I'm interested in actual facts about this case, not Dr. Phil and his bullshit sensationalism and leading interviews.
I read the thread and saw he took a lie detector. This doesn't mean anything, I have personally taken the poly twice for jobs, typical questions about drugs and theft. Both times I passed and both times I lied about not taking drugs.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:26:21 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
What your saying may ring true, but he has been in and out of jail the last five years for possessing child pornography.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 20:43:47 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ah-ha! If that is fact, then it's no wonder people think he is lying. He should be in jail. But "in and out"? If he was convicted on child porn, why isn't he in jail? Child porn cases are usually open and shut because when you get caught, you get caught red handed. And what has happened with these charges (abuse)?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:51:25 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
isn't all this shit fake?
pinkclarisonic ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:23:08 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely not fake.
kitthekat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:08:35 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Not that I watch Dr. Phil, but there was another part to this guy's story where he took a lie detector test and failed. A lie detector test given by an ex-FBI guy who looks like a human version of Same the Eagle the Muppet. Super serious.
Then he went on to deny the results, despite the fact that his daughter constantly says "daddy touched my pee-pee" after every visit.
I can't put my finger on it, but this guy is either a narcissist, or BPD. Something's up.
EDIT: http://drphil.com/assets/f/f7c7898a465467c6828963fc5d4362eb.jpg vs. http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/muppet/images/0/02/Sam02.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20060102004115
NG96 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:50:23 on November 25, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit, he totally does look like an "ex-FBI guy"
xtunasaladx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:06:56 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Could anyone find the rest of the episode? This shit is gold.
Pravus_Belua ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:44:18 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It's all linked right there in the playlist next to the original link up top. It's chopped up into 7 parts, they're all there.
weed_fairy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:17:48 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
here are the results, what a fucking pervert
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 11:12:46 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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iamAshlee ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 11:28:50 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
He has a PhD.
esr360 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 13:51:42 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ew.
reb_mccuster ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 14:37:00 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't it inappropriate though for PhD's to asked to be called "doctor" outside of an academic setting? At least that's what I've always heard
GypsyPunk ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 14:57:23 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
No
reb_mccuster ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:52:29 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
don't know why people feel the need to downvote me for simply asking a question.
GypsyPunk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:05:56 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Because Reddit is filled with hateful shit bags.
Sturgeon_Genital ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:43:15 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
No, it's just how you can spot the assholes.
AkAdude ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 14:09:44 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah if someone has a heart attack he better brush them with his fossil brush.
Epic_baconnage ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:40:34 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Well the reason he lost his title as a doctor was because it was believed he was exploiting his title by doing the tv-shows and selling the weight-loss products. That doesn't make him NOT a doctor (In psychology), it just means that he legally doesn't have that title any more. Is he still a psychologist? Yes he is.
marithefrancois ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 12:04:23 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently he used to be a practicing psychologist, so he is allowed to possess the title.
http://everydaypsychology.com/2008/01/is-dr-phil-actually-psychologist.html#.VlGvKnarSUk
cosmictap ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:36:45 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
โPeople who have nothing to hide, hide nothing.โ
Sorry, "Doctor" Phil, but what a bunch of hooey.
WigglingCaboose ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:56:07 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Why did you put "doctor" in quotes? He is a doctor.
cosmictap ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:38:11 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
He has a Ph.D. in psychology. However, he is not a licensed psychologist.
WigglingCaboose ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:56:18 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Having a PhD makes someone a doctor. Therefore, he's a doctor.
JellyWarrior ยท -15 points ยท Posted at 12:31:41 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yeast infections don't make your vagina red...
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 14:38:31 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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JellyWarrior ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:01:40 on November 23, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
No, I am a girl and I have had one. They don't make the exterior red, but they can be different for everyone I guess.
EDIT: I looked it up and I guess there's swelling and stuff too, but I've never had that, legitimately didn't know it was a thing. Wow.
bigmamadanish ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:07:47 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yuk...
bigmamadanish ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:08:36 on November 22, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
btw, anyone who downvotes that is a pedo. Its the rulez