And no matter what path is chosen, it will completely upset the socioeconomic balance of the entire planet.
knylok ยท 598 points ยท Posted at 20:21:11 on August 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Damnit, why can't these teens just do what they're told and stop upsetting fragile and poorly constructed socioeconomic systems? Back in my day we all wore grey, did the same things all the time and had no real dreams, hopes or personality, which is why such a clumsy and foolish system survived as long as it did.
That said, we're also easily swayed, so one or two moving speeches will probably make us riot.
runujhkj ยท 106 points ยท Posted at 03:24:49 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Gotta learn the true meaning of your life from an adult on a screen broadcasting in a different facility
Turns out the adults have been holding secrets from you all along, those filthy old people
and they're all rich but you and your family aren't but if you and your mates didn't exist or stopped working they would all lose their money and die or something
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:06:13 on August 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Let me guess: then some prick teenager kidnaps an infant and runs away leaving the remnants of the past to befall society in the form of memories of war and color and shit?
jyetie ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 04:17:49 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The infant who was going to be killed, for no real good reason.
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 06:45:23 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He was crying and unable to assimilate to the perfect world! Also, the older teenager was horny af and needed to go somewhere else where infants are properly made.
F0RGERY ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:29:03 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Its been a while since I read the Giver, but didn't he just end up in a random shack in the woods?
I think what /u/GryphonNumber7 is saying is: "The feelings of frustration that teenagers express aren't valid because they come from someone who has not had to deal with the difficulties of grown-up life. Indulging those feelings with art provides justification for those feelings, and we shouldn't justify the petty emotions of young people."
Which is bullshit. All feelings are valid (even the irrational, petty, immature emotions of hormone-engorged teenagers), and fiction can teach us how to cope with feelings in a way that is constructive and helpful. It can teach us to engage with and understand our emotions, and to talk about them in a way that is actually useful, instead of saying "Your emotions are stupid and we aren't going to deal with you until your emotions are less dumb."
Don't construct a strawman of what you think I'm saying and then call it bullshit.
Not all feelings are equally valid. Maturity is in part about learning from your own past faults, even if they're faults everyone has had, and progressing past them because you realize how and why they were wrong.
Fiction can teach us to cope with feelings in a way that is constructive and helpful. Many great works of YA fiction do that. My actual point was that the particular stories lampooned in the comic do not do that, but instead reinforce the immature feelings teens already have. They do not guide the reader toward a more mature understanding of themselves and their world but possibly stymies their development by indulging their irrationality. Hyper emotional irrationality is natural for teenagers. It is an experience to self-examine and learn from, not reinforce.
Ironically, "you're stupid and we're not gonna deal with you until you're less dumb" is the way these particular trite YA novels teach kids to see adults. The adults are always either evil, blind, or complacent, and the teens can't wait to get away from them. That's not a realistic depiction of adults or the proper way for a teen to learn to engage with authority figures.
edit: At least offer a rebuttal if you're gonna downvote.
I apologize for my misinterpretation of your post and I appreciate the clarification. I respectfully disagree. No feeling is inherently superior to another. How you choose to act on your feelings is a matter of maturity and experience, but irrational feelings are just as important as those with reasonable associations. An irrational emotion is usually a reaction to something disconnected with the situation in which it is felt. Jealousy is an indicator of insecurity, for instance. Irrational anger may be a reaction to feeling threatened or frustrated. Learning to navigate our reactions to these feelings is important, but the feelings themselves don't come with values attached to them.
Fiction doesn't need to guide to teach us. Often, fiction serves as a catalyst for reflection and thought. As much as we agree with and cheer for our protagonists, we question their motives and consider how we might choose better than they have, and how things might be different were we put in the character's place. Horror movies are a classic example - how many times have you thrown popcorn at the screen while yelling obscenities about how dumb the characters in the movie are acting? How many rom-com problems could be solved with simple, honest communication and a dash of self-control?
The stupid-dumb adults in YA fiction are an externalization of frustration felt by real teens. Adults are the only authority young people know, and they often feel that those adults are completely blind to the intelligence and wisdom of teenagers. Adults treat teens like they are children; teens believe that they are more like adults. This dynamic creates a lot of frustration and conflict, and conflict is where drama happens. Ramp it up a bit, and you suddenly have every YA novel mom and dad.
And let's be clear - many adults are evil, blind and complacent. Adults are a pretty mixed bag, and teenagers are at a stage of development that understands that. They are learning to see the world as adults see it. And the world is full of wonderful, brave, strong people - but it's also full of evil, misguided, terrible people, and teens need to learn to deal with that reality before they're sent off into the world without training wheels.
Edit: I didn't downvote you. I just got straight to rebutting. Your comments have added meaningfully to the discussion, even if I personally don't agree with you. Also, I fixed a word.
durtysox ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 08:23:27 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I respectfully and somewhat in a state of dread for you, disagree. Feelings aren't valid or invalid. They exist independently of whether we want them. They are something your mind and heart and body exchange ritually in order to stay functional and sane.
There are good and healthy ways to react to a troublesome feeling, but labeling them invalid is not one of them. If you suppress or ignore feelings as unworthy, they come back in disguise and fuck you up.
You can do what you like, it's no skin off my nose, but you're cruising for a bruising from your own parietal lobe. That thing can punch.
Dude, no, sometimes your feelings are wrong and entirely self destructive. I think we can say those feelings are invalid.
durtysox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:03:42 on August 13, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Let me remind you of what you already know, feelings cannot do a single thing, or we would all have Force powers. What you do in reaction to a feeling is what leads to or away from good or bad outcomes.
Spixen_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:18:27 on September 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is a month old, but I think what you're saying is wrong. Thinking those feelings are invalid is the exact opposite of what people should be doing. If I had clinical depression, and you said that since it was self destructive and therefore invalid, it would lead to some dangerous results. Validity isn't about goodness and badness, it's about importance, and I believe that all feelings are important. How to indulge those feelings is an entirely different matter; you should healthily react to happiness and sadness in different ways, i.e. continue to feel happy or try to fight the sadness, but you give them both the same importance.
HadACigar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:28:54 on September 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That wasn't what I was saying. I am saying if your perception is self destructive and that perception is not in congruence with a more objective perception (ie, a perception that is closer to reality) then that perception is an invalid one.
It is neither helpful nor accurate. As a person who has had clinical depression, I would state that those criteria are important for deciding which thoughts and feelings are worth devoting attention to. An invalid feeling isn't worth devoting attention to.
Your posts reads like someone who has very limited experience in the adult world, it's like you're writing this based on what you think it's going to be like instead of how it actually is.
Maturity is how you act on your feelings, not what feelings you do or do not have, the way people behave in public, the way they address problems changes as they get older because they know they have to deal with the problem, not because they don't feel the same way they would have when they were a teenager, your scope of responsibility has changed, your feelings generally haven't.
Yeah, reading down your post your treating feelings, actions and maturity as if they are the same thing, this is not true, feelings are separate from actions and the relation between them is what denotes maturity.
It's not a realistic depiction of all adults and someone being actually evil is incredibly rare but blindness to some things and complacency is common place in general among both teenagers and adults.
Oh I didn't even need to see that movie to know it was a pile of garbage. The trailers were enough to show they strayed completely away from the book and into bad YA territory. Which is a shame, because the book was, if my memory serves me right, pretty good.
yenwood ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 03:46:40 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was. The reason I'm completely avoiding the movie is that it looks like they abandoned some pretty core parts of the book to fit in action.
I, Robot, the movie, was a spec script that had been floating around Hollywood for a few years under some generic name. Someone with rights to the script decided to change the name to "I, Robot", add that lady scientist (or at least add A lady scientist with the same name as the famous one from the book), add a description of the three laws, and add Will Smith.
Other than that extremely superficial reference to Asimov's story (the scientist's name, the three laws), and getting the rights from Asimov's estate to put them in the film, the movie and screenplay never had anything to do with Asimov's story of the same name. They were just borrowed to give some nerd cred to the pre-existing script about a dude fighting robots.
(I liked the movie a lot... luckily, it was so long since I'd read the story that I had no illusions to be shattered by the film's plot)
Personally, I really enjoyed the movie. The first half of the movie is in black and white and in the first memory scene you see so many different colours, I actually felt pretty emotional at that part. The movie wasn't perfect and it had some "romance movie" parts but the parts true to the book are really good
musiqua ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 04:28:26 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Young Adult, it's the fiction genre targeted towards teens--includes twilight, hunger games, divergent, etc. There's a whole "are we self-infanltilizing because adults spend so much time reading YA" debate going on in some non-genre, classic literary circles. Like why something like 8 million copies of Twilight sold vs. 200K copies of the book that wins the Pulitzer.
Interesting since I did read some YA but totally hated all the YA movies made si far.
musiqua ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 04:41:47 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I find the movies and tv adaptations to be particularly painful, mostly because every actor that is cast is so blandly attractive and the dialogue is excruciating.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:56:17 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't they rip dialogue right from the book?
Oaden ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:39:52 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe, but that doesn't mean the book dialogue is bad, you can't use realistic dialogue when you are writing, it reads like shit, and once you transfer to film you have to change it again, because stuff that reads fine can easily come across as really cringe worthy.
I'm not a fan of YA books, but I find that argument ridiculous. Those groups crap on every genre that's not high literature, so their criticisms are effectively meaningless.
Because adult fiction has lost its luster recently. I feel like some of it is even more boring and contrived. coughJamesPattersoncough It also tends to be way more serious in tone and language, and some people want something lighter. I enjoy both, but I can understand why people wouldn't like one or the other.
Drudicta ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:05:47 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Now i know what the name of the genre to avoid is! Thanks!
Now if only anime had "YA" listings so I could avoid watching 3 episodes before realizing I hate it.
On the other hand there's a lot of great, thought provoking YA literature out there (Perks of Being a Wallflower, John Green stuff etc), while the most popular "Adult" fiction is stuff like James Patterson.
Well... he was formerly in advertising, then in the mid 90s he started writing the Alex Cross series of crime novels (starting with Along Came a Spider--pretty good actually, or so it seemed--then Kiss the Girls--both of these first two were made into films--then about 27 more Alex Cross books since then, and he won't stop until he dies or something).
From there, he created a mini empire of extremely easy to read, snack size, predigested novels--more crime novels and YA--and he's the co-author for most of them, meaning he does editing and plot direction while the other co-author fills in the details. (I think Patterson actually said he's great with ideas for plot skeletons, but not so skilled at filling them out with writing the story). It's not uncommon for them to have chapters that are 2 pages. (Or one page if you count front and back. Then the next page starts another chapter, with the heading and big space on top and everything.)
His explanation is that most people don't have time to read a traditional chapter in a novel because it takes too much time. If they're reading while commuting, they'll only have time to read a few pages before they change trains or such (per his explanation of all of this). So they like this format where a chapter is a couple of pages long, even though it feels trite and insulting to some traditional readers.
If I'm not mistaken, he does have the greatest number of NYT bestseller novels, or the highest income for a novelist in the US, or something like that. So his strategy has proven valid.
The really annoying part about his advertising background, at least in his earlier books, is that he shoehorns brand names and characters from ad campaigns into the story kind of obnoxiously. Like not even as a product placement thing, it's like he thinks that people will relate to the characters' thought processes more, if the characters are reminded of, say, Jared from Subway, or they notice the footprints match Air Force Ones or similar things... I get the feeling he really thinks this helps him connect with readers. And the guy is very rich so he's doing something right, for a lot of people, apparently. Ugh.
Pjcrafty ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 04:21:36 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Though where it did stray was in making the reasons for the Memories being passed a bit more sci-fi-y than the book, which was much more vague on the reasoning.
It wasn't painful to watch the giver after reading the book but it was not very good. Also I didn't see it in theatres it was just on tv so I wasted no money
yenwood ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 04:11:15 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't seen the movie, so I don't know how much they changed (seems like a lot judging by the trailer) but society had a lot of things taken away from them with magical voodoo and stored in the giver.
iirc normal people still had the capacity to lie but didn't see any reason to (and i don't think Jonas ever lied, just kidnapped a baby?) as they weren't jealous or envious. No one even cared that "release" was physician assisted suicide/murder until Jonas received enough memories from the giver to object against it, when he kidnapped the baby and made his escape. I think his plan was to die to release his memories to all communities?
Either way, my reading group agreed the book was about whether it was better to be blissfully unaware (the general population) or to be burdened by knowledge (the giver and the receiver) and that Jonas was a dick for fucking it all up.
When i first heard there was going to be a movie adaptation, I was pretty skeptical about how good it could be, considering a part of the book was realizing that things weren't what you expected them to be because you were seeing the world through Jonas. For example: everyone is colorblind. Jonas starts to see colors but he has no idea what's happening when he starts to see red apples and colorful flowers. You have no idea what he thinks is weird about them until the giver reveals Jonas is starting to see colour. And realizing that "release" is suicide was sorta fucked up considering how casually everyone was talking about it a few chapters before.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 05:15:52 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They turned it into an awful theatre play at my high school, the pacing was haring and it had maybe one scene where you halfway cared what was happening. Which is weird because the plays they put on tend to be really good.
I read the book a few months ago. Its... Nothing special. Lost me when they described a world where people couldn't see color. And then an ending that didn't really provide enough answers or closure.
magmay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:35:48 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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sgst ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:45:17 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Divergent was the same. It was so horribly obvious how much it was playing on both the 'teenage angst' thing and 'finding yourself as a woman' thing, I couldn't enjoy it at all. It felt so very contrived. I mean hunger games does exactly the same, but with a better story and without so obviously trying to make you feel all the things.
But YA is all the rage! It'll make the producers loads of hookers and blow cash!
ours ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 07:46:25 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Evil adults in the form of highly acclaimed actors wasting their talent for an easy paycheck.
RevWaldo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:39:28 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually your parents turn out to have been members of the rebellion this whole damn time, but you weren't old enough to know the truth. Never mind, they'll be dead soon.
A pimp named Slickback purple and not the bright yellow American spirits, the other one Gold
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:02:47 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol every damn time with the american spirits, its like no lady i want the dark blue not light blue. Ive been in here 5 times this week and you still get it wrong
notLOL ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 06:50:38 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Indigenous white male
Kahina91 ยท 580 points ยท Posted at 16:48:25 on August 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thing that always bothered me is when they live in the wasteland or in poverty, they still have perfect teeth, TEACH ME YOUR SECRETS!
sryii ยท 394 points ยท Posted at 17:54:10 on August 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually a lot of people who are poor can have incredible teeth, like a lot of people in the indigenous tribes in Africa. A lot of tooth decay comes from the new world food and western/modern diets. If we ate a diet similar to our ancient ancestors we'd have better teeth, in part because the microbiota of our mouth would change too. For example in the Hunger games the poor as dirt girl relied heavily on wild game and edible plants to supplement the meager food rations. This would be more similar to our naturally occurring diet and so she could potentially have very nice teeth.
Kahina91 ยท 258 points ยท Posted at 18:02:25 on August 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's a difference between healthy and "good" as we (western) understand it. You can have healthy teeth without tooth straightening and whitening, but my comment was referring to the extensive dental work that the characters in Mad Max (in their universe) probably aren't receiving. Peeps need to take a step back and not see this as an indictment of the poor.
my comment was referring to the extensive dental work that the characters in Mad Max (in their universe) probably aren't receiving
Mad Max shows you more fucked-up teeth than any other example you could have picked! Plus dwarves, amputees, weird sores and breathing issues and so on. Mad Max delivers on body diversity.
Zifnab25 ยท 127 points ยท Posted at 21:45:07 on August 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, in Mad Max, everyone just used silver spray paint.
Most of the crooked teeth we see in modern times comes from eating soft and well prepared food.
Primitive man ate food that was less prepared and most meat was eaten "on the bone" and the bone itself would have been gnawed on to get as much sustenance as possible.
The act of chewing and gnawing, it is thought, helps push teeth around and encourages adult teeth to have the space and positioning needed to more properly come in.
Modern diets have almost no gnawing and most food is prepared so anything excessively chewy is bad and not preferred. This is thought to lead to a large portion of the crooked teeth we see today.
tocilog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:52:56 on August 13, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Basically you just have to ask yourself, is spending the time and money for prosthetic teeth for all your cast worth it just to preemptively shut down the few people who enjoys finding every little 'error' in a movie (in which case they wouldn't enjoy your movie anymore)?
If it falls of, it wouldn't leave stubbles, dumb dumb.
sryii ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:43:15 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Obviously it doesn't happen all at once, dumb dumb. Some hairs are just starting to grow out while others are starting to fall out. It is in stable perpetual state of almost taking off, like Tesla.
And you still don't get stubles. If your hair is getting shorter-lived, your average hair will be younger and younger, until they disappear. But young hair is not a stuble, it's more of a blonde quasi invisible super thin hair.
Balding people don't get stubles on their head, the only way to get a stuble is to cut your hair.
sryii ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:56:30 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I never said it was going to be great stubble. It's sad but that is the price you pay for living in the apocalypse.
ye olde primitive tribes have been painting their faces since time immemorial, aka makeup, though I grant you it's not exactly gonna be easy breezy beautiful covergirl.
Indigenous tribes have great teeth because, if your teeth are bad, you die.
sryii ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:46:12 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well partly. They also have a vastly different diet, more similar to our original diet and they also have fewer microbes associated with tooth decay. In part the alignment is another factor contributing to survival of the fittest.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:39:04 on August 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In the Old Testament there's a passage somewhere that is usually translated in English "May you have an empty stomach", but in Hebrew it's literally "May you have clean teeth", meaning clean teeth due to lack of food.
Pirates of the Caribbean was a pretty good example of period-based teeth. Quite a few characters had pretty fucked up teeth, and many had teeth replaced with fake ones (including gold and silver teeth). It really added to the atmosphere and time period of those films.
Perfect doesn't just mean gleaming white. For many people it takes braces or touchups to get straight teeth.
ours ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:49:36 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The evil people that run the world added Orthodonxia into the water. It's a magic liquid that makes teeth perfect. Don't want your underlings looking like third-world hobos.
bobosuda ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:18:56 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yup. I think a lot of people are confusing "white teeth" with "healthy teeth". Yes, indigenous people or humans who lived thousands of years ago might have had healthy teet in general, but they almost certainly don't have pearly white teeth like we associate with "healthy teeth" these days; you don't get that without modern dental technology. White and perfectly straight/symmetrical teeth is not the same as having naturally healthy teeth because of your primitive diet.
You mean actually billed as having played the Rock? Or playing a character with a similar personality to himself? Because better actors than him have "played themselves" in that way.
Target audience is the biggest distinction, but it also does come with some loose associations. Shorter, protagonist is also a young adult, focus on coming of age / learning lessons, etc.
Also, as the comic lampoons, the most marketable YA novels tend to be teenage empowerment fantasies set in super simplistic black and white political/economic environments. It's exactly what you'd expect to appeal to a demographic that's been raised to believe they're special and can do anything and are just now becoming aware of how societies function, but whose main avenue for exploring that society is high school.
While that's very true for a certain group of YA novels, there are plenty that don't follow that guideline. A lot of recent mainstream YA has focused on a world or situation very different from our own, but there is tons of fiction in the genre being written about far more benign things. Take for example John Green's books or The Perks of Being a Wallflower. Those novels are some really standout YA works, and have none of what you just described.
At the end of the day, YA is less of a genre and more of just a big tent. There is YA romance, scifi, fantasy, etc. It's almost impossible to make sweeping statements about it besides "it targets teenagers in some way"
Even The Hunger Games isn't 100% black and white. Sure, the first two books are pretty one-way with their morals, but book 3 did a good job of showing the dark side of the resistance (or whatever they were called) and had you sympathizing with some of the capitol citizens.
scroom38 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:00:14 on August 13, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It did have absolutely terrible writing in some parts, "katniss backed herself into a corner, how will she escape?"
"she faints"
"a week later everyone is fine and no-one mentions how she got out of a seemingly impossible situation."
I mean if you write a great part and don't have another option then fine, I'll ignore it, but if memory serves, it happened a few times. Anytime she got into a sticky situation her solution was to faint, and let other people figure it out.
I think the point of those parts was that Katniss was a really shitty soldier, because putting people under incredible stress doesn't make heros, it breaks people.
scroom38 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:27:56 on August 13, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, ahe'd already gone under intense mental, physical, and emotional stress at that point. And remained solid.
Like I said, if it makes sense I'm good, but it was like:
"Kills major figure in front of a bunch of other people... Faints... Ok now its all ok"
I remember rereading certain parts 3-4 times because I figured I must have missed something, no writing could be that lazy could it? It could.
Because they'd fuck it up. And the characters are adults, like early twenties, and Sabriel's husband (forgot his name, been forever since I read Sabriel) is likely to be hundreds of years old, he just got Captain America'd in lumber. Lirael's the youngest main protag IIRC. Hell, Sabriel's a damn queen in Abhorsen.
Ryugar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:55:14 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yea! It would have been a pretty cool movie trilogy, or even a short TV series. They got witches and vampires... why not a necromancer? I don't remember too much from the books anymore its been a while for me but the characters and world were pretty well developed and could easily have been visualized as a movie..... but ofcourse they'd prob just end up pissing book fans off.
If memory serves those were actually rather good no?
Maxrdt ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 05:03:48 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They were great, just in the YA category. There are some really great books in that genre, Artemis Fowl, Harry Potter, His Dark Materials, definitely don't dismiss books in that genre out of hand.
There's just some fun to be poked at a bit of a glut of some of the more recent ones sharing some rather predictable or repetitive themes, or their movie adaptations adding those themes *cough* The Giver *cough*.
The Giver is exactly why I hold no faith in Hollywood to make a good Artemis Fowl movie.
Maxrdt ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:09:28 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think that it would be as badly molested as The Giver due to having more action already in it, but I still would probably be disappointed.
I actually wasn't very impressed by the novel Divergent, but I thought that it could potentially make a great movie, but the movie was pretty mediocre as well.
I don't know how, I don't know with what, and I don't know why, but I promise, they will fuck it up.
Artemis and Holly will be much more romantically involved. I know there was underlying romantic tension there anyway, but they'll make it about 50% of the film.
I used to love AF, but I've kinda cooled on it as I've gotten older. the titular character is a bit of a Mary Sue, to be honest. What really got me was in the second book when he Somehow managed to just guess the exact thing that had happened (Goblins Trading with Humans) with no prior knowledge despite it having only just happened.
Even as a kid that annoyed me. Like, there's smart, then there's clairvoyant.
movzx ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 00:54:57 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's gonna be YYYUUGGE.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 04:01:10 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That or give me a decent eragon series, not that horsecock we got a few years back
Ending kinda killed it. I think the issue is almost what was being described here, the author started the book as a pretty good idea with a lot of young adult story tropes. He wrote himself into a few corners and instead of just sticking too his guns, he tried to make the story more "mature" in themes and writing structure and ended up jumping the shark a bit.
TLDR: He grew up and thought his old stuff was kiddy and cringey and tried to be more adult ruing what made it good in the first place.
I think good old Stephen King said it best: "I believe the road to hell is paved with adverbs, and I will shout it from the rooftops. To put it another way, theyโre like dandelions. If you have one on your lawn, it looks pretty and unique. If you fail to root it out, however, you find five the next day . . . fifty the day after that . . . and then, my brothers and sisters, your lawn is totally, completely, and profligately covered with dandelions. By then you see them for the weeds they really are, but by then itโs โ GASP!! โ too late."
ketsugi ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:08:08 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"I fervently believe the road to hell is paved judiciously with adverbs, and I will incessantly shout it from the rooftops. To succinctly put it another way, theyโre like dandelions. If you have one on your lawn, it looks astoundingly pretty and incredibly unique. If you miserably fail to adequately root it out, however, you miraculously find five the next day . . . fifty the day after that . . . and then, my brothers and sisters, your lawn is totally, completely, and profligately covered with dandelions. By then you truly see them for the weeds they really are, but by then itโs โ GASP!! โ entirely too late."
ftfy
Koiq ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:26:50 on August 25, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In academic writing, yesโin fiction, no.
[deleted] ยท 61 points ยท Posted at 03:51:48 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I really hate it when instead of using first person to be super-deep into a character's psyche (ex: American Psycho) it's just a crutch to let the bland faceless protagonist be internally snarky in a really generic sitcom sort of way.
Good first person can do really cool shit with unreliable narration and coloring the world, but it seems like most people use it to shamelessly Mary Sue.
Yep. Good first person needs to be read and re-read because you can see all the flaws in the way the person sees the world.
A jealous person sees suspect behavior in everything their partner does. Did the partner really act suspiciously? Were they really cruel? And what does the protagonist miss because their viewpoint is singular?
If it's really good, we learn as much about the person we're traveling with as we do about the world. More, because we see the world through their eyes, and so must learn about them in order to truly appreciate the world.
Most of the time we don't get that. Instead all we get is I I I I Me Me Me Me.
And one thing that reeeeally bugs me: How the fuck does the writer explain all this shit? If the person is creating a journal after the fact, how the hell do they remember entire conversations verbatim? That would be incredibly suspect. I can't even remember word-for-word conversations I had 5 minutes ago. I remember the gist, maybe a sentence or two, but do I remember it accurately? Doubtful. If I compared notes with everyone else in the group I would lay odds we remembered it a bit differently. And that's only 5 fucking minutes!
When I'm in my own head I don't even narrate the world the way the first-person protagonist does. I don't think, "I open the door and wonder: Have I made it home in time for dinner? The bus was really late... " I just open the fucking door. I don't think, "My hand reaches out, trembling with cold, as I hope they haven't begun without me."
The first-person is a dangerous thing. Only truly gifted writers should go anywhere near it.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:41:11 on August 13, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
like the entire second half of your post
This is why I love Bret Easton Ellis, whom I've already praised but shut up.
He does first person present tense with a bit of stream-of-consciousness and it's fantastic. Because it avoids all the problems you're talking about and essentially lets you sit in that character's brain watching things as they happen.
But yeah, that style is hard to pull off, and I absolutely loathe about 90% of present tense narration, and first person past tense seems like it's throwing away most of what makes first person good, so you might as well use third. And third person present tense is just pointless because it's interchangeable with past tense.
it is, but every chapter is from the perspective of the character whose name it bears.
so, for example: Sansa's early chapters have very childish, simple language, and seem very focused on how unfair things seem to be to her. while Tyrion's feature dry humor, and a more nuanced view of the world.
The thing I like about ASOIAF is that it becomes an entirely different experience once you realize this.
When I first started reading it, I just thought the style was a bit odd. Disjointed. Then someone pointed it out to me and it was like that dim little bulb popped into life and I realized, OH! Look! New facet!
He named that fucker Hodor how many books before it became relevant? Dude knows what he's doing.
Vaprus ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:56:38 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's pretty much necessary for a book written in third person with multiple characters to be good. I'd say the first law universe does this quite a bit better than asoiaf.
well, that's kind of underselling it. we're talking dozens of different perspectives, each with their own distinct writing style and perspective limitations (each chapter also only shows you what the named character experiences)...
I haven't read this other series, so I won't say you're wrong, per se, but I will go as far as saying that's a pretty bold statement, considering what you're comparing it to.
Vaprus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:12:30 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trying to devalue Martin's writing wasn't my intention at all, sorry if it seemed that way.
All I was trying to say, is that books written from the perspective of multiple characters that don't differentiate in the style of writing often come off as bland, so it's kind if the expected for the narrative to change depending on the character. Martin does a great job of that and there aren't many authors I've seen that have been able to do better.
Abercrombie's First Law Universe series is, in my opinion, one of those rare instances where it's even better than Martin's work. Admittedly, there are less characters, but it's still amazing.
If you enjoyed asoiaf, do give a read to FLU, I think you will find it quite enjoyable.
no worries. I am actually excited for a new series to tackle, so thanks!
But...having read a fair amount over the years (I'm sure some have read more than I, but I feel like I had cut a reasonably wide swathe through the sci fi and fantasy genres up till about 10 years ago), I gotta respectfully disagree with your assessment about the overall state of fiction writing: it has not really been my experience that it's
kind of expected for the narrative to change depending on the character
...in fact, I found it to be exceedingly rare. which is one reason I found the ASOIAF series to be so impressive. even exceedingly richly populated universes like Pratchett's Discworld or Iain M. Banks' Culture series generally keep the same tone and style throughout.
but either way, I look forward to a new challenge, so thanks again!
So thinking harder about it....you're absolutely right. But the way the 3rd person narration is told (what is taken as fact, how people are described, the words and tone chosen) all changes depending on the character being followed. I'm not good at explaining it.
ketsugi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:05:48 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's what's called limited third person. Yes, the pronouns used are third person, but you still get the perspective of the character in question. Which means everything you're reading is colored by the mind, experiences and expectations of that character. It's a good way to have different chapters focused on different characters, while still allowing for unreliable narrators.
(Imagine if every chapter of ASoIaF was written in the first person instead, we'd probably get pretty confused after a while.)
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:40:42 on August 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh geeze, people on /r/nosleep are the worst at this. Completely immersion breaking too, and leaves no room for interpretation when using an over descriptive verb like that.
You might hate the Thomas Covenant books. If there's any fiction which goes further out of its way to require a dictionary and thesaurus (even from people who never have this problem normally), I haven't heard of it.
I haven't read those, but try out some China Mieville books. Good stuff, but the only books I've read since I was 10 that have required me to reference a dictionary.
I read Perdido Street Station, if that counts... it was well written and interesting but the fate of the female protagonist made me pissed off at the author, a lot
The point is to signal who is speaking when it would otherwise be unclear. You never want the reader to wonder, "Who the fuck said that?" and then have to count lines from the most recent clue.
For the most part, "said" and "say" fade into the background if not used every single time someone says something. Sort of like quotation marks. You don't really notice those either... unless it's a work brought over from the UK and an editor forgot to swap " for '.
I think the bar is so low at this point that you'd need a shovel to find it.
Fabsun ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 06:28:07 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or James Cameron!
magmosa ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:18:48 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
James Cameron does not do what James Cameron does because he's James Cameron.
bobosuda ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 10:21:57 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The bar really is that low. 50 Shades of Grey might not be a "true" YA novel, but it's in the same ballpark and it started out as shitty online fanfiction based on the characters of Twilight.
I guess it depends what you're looking at. If you're scoping out books that are running with the same theme, then that's what you'll find. YA is a huge genre. Dystopian is just the "in" thing right now, but there are plenty of YA novels that are very well done without getting sucked into a cash cow mire. See: Harry Potter, Redwall series, Perks of Being a Wallflower, The Fault in our Stars, Hatchet (one of my favorite books of all time), The Hobbit (actually written for young children).
cadrina ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 07:35:43 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also she is the most lethal assassin of the world. But in six books, a spin off and a sequel, about her daughter, she has not killed anyone.
leadwind ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 08:20:46 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trilogy where the last one is Part 1 and Part 2.
Lots42 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 08:14:01 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"I have the tactical skills to lead dozens in combat against a horrifically evil government...but I cannot recognize that I should put my personal desires aside for now."
Alarid ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 06:22:26 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Twilight was very progressive, making one of their love interests shirtless.
There are decent ones out there that diverge from this formula quite a bit. But movie producers apparently think it is a safer bet, when looking for a new book to adapt, to go for the most thinly veneered clone possible.
I think it more likely originates from the desire to capitalize on the standard teenage angst about struggling to find an identity and dealing with social exclusion. That particular trope has been popular long before the special snowflake generation.
Probably more an instinct to locate the alpha individuals of a tribe and form an alliance with them or at least know about them for potential latter use.
People want to read about batman, rather than Alfred's second cousins roommates camping adventure.
ascii ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:59:21 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
These are a bit subjective, but by my tally this is fairly inaccurate, at least for the dystopian YA series I know of.
Hunger games: Silly name, chosen one, plain but gorgeous, two dudes: 4/6 tropes.
Maze runner: 0/6 tropes.
Divergent: Chosen one: 1/6 tropes.
Harry Potter: Chosen one: 1/6 tropes.
If we widen to YA TV-series and less dystopian books, things stay roughly the same:
Twilight: Silly name, plain but gorgeous, two dudes, vampire: 4/6 tropes.
The 100: 0/6 tropes.
Outlander: Two dudes: 1/6 tropes.
deyknow ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:09:25 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
HP is the chosen one, and the best in his school for defense against dark arts magic, which is essentially the combat of that world, so that's two right there.
ascii ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:19:52 on August 13, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Harry Potter isn't clumsy outside of combat, but he gets his ass handed to him and barely survives every time he uses it except when a bunch of other people are helping him, so I disagree HP lives up to the trope, but I guess reasonable people can disagree.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:44:33 on August 13, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In the near future for some reason that will never be acknowledged, 99% of the population is extraordinarily white except for these few side characters who totally gonna live forever and not teach by Jennifer Lawrence an important lesson by dying.
Yeah, but we're too special to fall for the normal archetypes! Also we're all super smart and pretty and special but also really shy and self-deprecating.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:37:12 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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geodebug ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 06:40:42 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yeah? Well, found the guy who thinks ... on second thought don't care. Take it all!
greengo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:09:47 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd add "The Name of the Wind". The author actually includes grammar corrections into his story, like the main character at some point uses the wrong term, and this is a fantasy novel, but you better use proper English at all times.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:11:48 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mostly yes, but NoTW does actually manage some nice unreliable narrator trickery.
Divergent, Hunger Games, and Mortal Instruments really fit into this comic. The only really large YA book/film that doesn't fit into this is Maze Runner.
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thesilvercritic ยท 1541 points ยท Posted at 15:09:51 on August 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You forgot to choose your path. By that I mean you forgot to be special and different from any of the paths we have currently available.
VanimalCracker ยท 828 points ยท Posted at 19:58:49 on August 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And no matter what path is chosen, it will completely upset the socioeconomic balance of the entire planet.
knylok ยท 598 points ยท Posted at 20:21:11 on August 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Damnit, why can't these teens just do what they're told and stop upsetting fragile and poorly constructed socioeconomic systems? Back in my day we all wore grey, did the same things all the time and had no real dreams, hopes or personality, which is why such a clumsy and foolish system survived as long as it did.
That said, we're also easily swayed, so one or two moving speeches will probably make us riot.
runujhkj ยท 106 points ยท Posted at 03:24:49 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Gotta learn the true meaning of your life from an adult on a screen broadcasting in a different facility
Turns out the adults have been holding secrets from you all along, those filthy old people
silverbackjack ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 11:54:43 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
and they're all rich but you and your family aren't but if you and your mates didn't exist or stopped working they would all lose their money and die or something
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:06:13 on August 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Okay is this YA or Marx?
FatGuyANALLIttlecoat ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 03:43:35 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Let me guess: then some prick teenager kidnaps an infant and runs away leaving the remnants of the past to befall society in the form of memories of war and color and shit?
jyetie ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 04:17:49 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The infant who was going to be killed, for no real good reason.
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 06:45:23 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He was crying and unable to assimilate to the perfect world! Also, the older teenager was horny af and needed to go somewhere else where infants are properly made.
F0RGERY ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:29:03 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Its been a while since I read the Giver, but didn't he just end up in a random shack in the woods?
FatGuyANALLIttlecoat ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:10:15 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sleds down a hill to a house with a family in it.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:26:45 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but he dies in the end so boo fuckin hoo
TastyBrainMeats ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:25:35 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What really bugs me is Divergent, at least from the first movie - haven't read the books or seen the other films.
If they just had some mechanism for changing class, that would be a perfectly workable (though still strange) society.
The_Iron_Zeppelin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:25 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then how would they find the Chosen One??
jpop23mn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:55:14 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you put a blue ribbon in your hair it will cause a revolution.
scroom38 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:37:43 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"You're a divergent"
"what does that mean"
"It means you're special, and people will try to kill you"
"No... no... I mean, other than some obscure brain control thing that hasn't been revealed yet, what exactly is dangerous about me"
"uuuuuuuhhhhhhhhh...... shut up and follow me"
"lol k"
I_Has_A_Hat ยท 58 points ยท Posted at 01:45:18 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Preferably sperated into different colors.
corruptrevolutionary ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 05:44:53 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's racist
wisdom_and_frivolity ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:17:48 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
no no no, we just wear shirts. see?
TheRealCJ ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 10:31:07 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And it just happens that the paths are split exactly the same way as your stereotypical High School Cafeteria seating arrangements.
Dragon_DLV ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 04:25:24 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was going to say, the comic only hit The City of Ember with 1/4, but this one hit it on the nose
ScruffyCrow ยท 1249 points ยท Posted at 16:46:48 on August 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget that all the evil dudes are adults who won't let the teenagers do stuff (totally not symbolizing parents)
BiotechBraniac ยท 418 points ยท Posted at 19:14:45 on August 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I HAVE TO LET OUT MY INNER TEENAGE TURMOIL WITH FANTASIES.
LEAVE ME ALONE MOM, GOSH.
ScruffyCrow ยท 97 points ยท Posted at 03:16:16 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
UGH, ADULTS JUST DON'T GET IT (goes to tumblr to rant about it and post terrible fanfiction)
silverbackjack ยท 53 points ยท Posted at 11:56:15 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Harry Potter goes back in time and saves his parents only to realize they're mean and won't let him go to the wizard rave
iHeartCandicePatton ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 03:14:56 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's the point of art, to express emotion...
GryphonNumber7 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 04:43:50 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That doesn't mean we should indulge petty, immature emotions.
iHeartCandicePatton ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 04:53:20 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What's that supposed to mean?
SlurpeeMoney ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 05:57:11 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think what /u/GryphonNumber7 is saying is: "The feelings of frustration that teenagers express aren't valid because they come from someone who has not had to deal with the difficulties of grown-up life. Indulging those feelings with art provides justification for those feelings, and we shouldn't justify the petty emotions of young people."
Which is bullshit. All feelings are valid (even the irrational, petty, immature emotions of hormone-engorged teenagers), and fiction can teach us how to cope with feelings in a way that is constructive and helpful. It can teach us to engage with and understand our emotions, and to talk about them in a way that is actually useful, instead of saying "Your emotions are stupid and we aren't going to deal with you until your emotions are less dumb."
GryphonNumber7 ยท 87 points ยท Posted at 06:13:13 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
edit: At least offer a rebuttal if you're gonna downvote.
SlurpeeMoney ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 06:54:33 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I apologize for my misinterpretation of your post and I appreciate the clarification. I respectfully disagree. No feeling is inherently superior to another. How you choose to act on your feelings is a matter of maturity and experience, but irrational feelings are just as important as those with reasonable associations. An irrational emotion is usually a reaction to something disconnected with the situation in which it is felt. Jealousy is an indicator of insecurity, for instance. Irrational anger may be a reaction to feeling threatened or frustrated. Learning to navigate our reactions to these feelings is important, but the feelings themselves don't come with values attached to them.
Fiction doesn't need to guide to teach us. Often, fiction serves as a catalyst for reflection and thought. As much as we agree with and cheer for our protagonists, we question their motives and consider how we might choose better than they have, and how things might be different were we put in the character's place. Horror movies are a classic example - how many times have you thrown popcorn at the screen while yelling obscenities about how dumb the characters in the movie are acting? How many rom-com problems could be solved with simple, honest communication and a dash of self-control?
The stupid-dumb adults in YA fiction are an externalization of frustration felt by real teens. Adults are the only authority young people know, and they often feel that those adults are completely blind to the intelligence and wisdom of teenagers. Adults treat teens like they are children; teens believe that they are more like adults. This dynamic creates a lot of frustration and conflict, and conflict is where drama happens. Ramp it up a bit, and you suddenly have every YA novel mom and dad.
And let's be clear - many adults are evil, blind and complacent. Adults are a pretty mixed bag, and teenagers are at a stage of development that understands that. They are learning to see the world as adults see it. And the world is full of wonderful, brave, strong people - but it's also full of evil, misguided, terrible people, and teens need to learn to deal with that reality before they're sent off into the world without training wheels.
Edit: I didn't downvote you. I just got straight to rebutting. Your comments have added meaningfully to the discussion, even if I personally don't agree with you. Also, I fixed a word.
durtysox ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 08:23:27 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I respectfully and somewhat in a state of dread for you, disagree. Feelings aren't valid or invalid. They exist independently of whether we want them. They are something your mind and heart and body exchange ritually in order to stay functional and sane.
There are good and healthy ways to react to a troublesome feeling, but labeling them invalid is not one of them. If you suppress or ignore feelings as unworthy, they come back in disguise and fuck you up.
You can do what you like, it's no skin off my nose, but you're cruising for a bruising from your own parietal lobe. That thing can punch.
HadACigar ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:20:18 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, no, sometimes your feelings are wrong and entirely self destructive. I think we can say those feelings are invalid.
durtysox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:03:42 on August 13, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Let me remind you of what you already know, feelings cannot do a single thing, or we would all have Force powers. What you do in reaction to a feeling is what leads to or away from good or bad outcomes.
Spixen_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:18:27 on September 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is a month old, but I think what you're saying is wrong. Thinking those feelings are invalid is the exact opposite of what people should be doing. If I had clinical depression, and you said that since it was self destructive and therefore invalid, it would lead to some dangerous results. Validity isn't about goodness and badness, it's about importance, and I believe that all feelings are important. How to indulge those feelings is an entirely different matter; you should healthily react to happiness and sadness in different ways, i.e. continue to feel happy or try to fight the sadness, but you give them both the same importance.
HadACigar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:28:54 on September 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That wasn't what I was saying. I am saying if your perception is self destructive and that perception is not in congruence with a more objective perception (ie, a perception that is closer to reality) then that perception is an invalid one.
It is neither helpful nor accurate. As a person who has had clinical depression, I would state that those criteria are important for deciding which thoughts and feelings are worth devoting attention to. An invalid feeling isn't worth devoting attention to.
DAsSNipez ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:02:40 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Are you still a teenager by any chance?
Your posts reads like someone who has very limited experience in the adult world, it's like you're writing this based on what you think it's going to be like instead of how it actually is.
Maturity is how you act on your feelings, not what feelings you do or do not have, the way people behave in public, the way they address problems changes as they get older because they know they have to deal with the problem, not because they don't feel the same way they would have when they were a teenager, your scope of responsibility has changed, your feelings generally haven't.
Yeah, reading down your post your treating feelings, actions and maturity as if they are the same thing, this is not true, feelings are separate from actions and the relation between them is what denotes maturity.
It's not a realistic depiction of all adults and someone being actually evil is incredibly rare but blindness to some things and complacency is common place in general among both teenagers and adults.
iHeartCandicePatton ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:52:34 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you, what kind of arrogant asshole tells someone their feelings are invalid?
GryphonNumber7 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:45:16 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly what it says.
[deleted] ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 05:01:29 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't it past your bedtime?
hellokkiten ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 06:03:22 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
means YA is bad and stupid.
RiskyBrothers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:44:19 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sure it does. Authors gotta eat, yo.
cueballmafia ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 03:56:27 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is not the place for this lovey dovey conversation. Bottle up your emotions when in r/comics
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 05:34:56 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And go back to Tumblr where no one will disagree with you.
MasterSpade ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:55:19 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Until you disagree with them.
2percentright ยท 131 points ยท Posted at 03:03:42 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I watched the giver movie and realized it was just the power fantasies of a teenager.
Like...the main character is literally, literally, the only person in the society that's allowed to lie. Wut?
ScruffyCrow ยท 112 points ยท Posted at 03:14:23 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh I didn't even need to see that movie to know it was a pile of garbage. The trailers were enough to show they strayed completely away from the book and into bad YA territory. Which is a shame, because the book was, if my memory serves me right, pretty good.
yenwood ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 03:46:40 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was. The reason I'm completely avoiding the movie is that it looks like they abandoned some pretty core parts of the book to fit in action.
lecturermoriarty ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 03:54:18 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You have to do that sometimes, separate the base material from the movie adaptation. Like this one or world war z
AadeeMoien ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 04:00:25 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or Waterworld, the critically acclaimed adaption of Pride and Prejudice.
cweaver ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 04:09:51 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Strange Brew, the greatest adaptation of Hamlet ever.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 05:19:26 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Apologize for insulting Strange Brew.
MorganWick ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 07:44:56 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh come on, "greatest adaptation of Hamlet" can't be an insult against the Lion King!
Kruug ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:25:33 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, there's another person who watched Strange Brew! The known count is up to 3!
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:20:39 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Since when is Strange Brew an obscure movie?
Kruug ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:01:24 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
IDK, I first heard about it a year or so ago...
vivvav ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 05:55:47 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget I Robot. I've never seen the movie, but having read the book, I know it ain't the same story.
Come to think of it, the end of I Am Legend is like that too.
My point is we should stop letting Will Smith star in novel adaptations.
KennyFulgencio ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 11:51:05 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I, Robot, the movie, was a spec script that had been floating around Hollywood for a few years under some generic name. Someone with rights to the script decided to change the name to "I, Robot", add that lady scientist (or at least add A lady scientist with the same name as the famous one from the book), add a description of the three laws, and add Will Smith.
Other than that extremely superficial reference to Asimov's story (the scientist's name, the three laws), and getting the rights from Asimov's estate to put them in the film, the movie and screenplay never had anything to do with Asimov's story of the same name. They were just borrowed to give some nerd cred to the pre-existing script about a dude fighting robots.
(I liked the movie a lot... luckily, it was so long since I'd read the story that I had no illusions to be shattered by the film's plot)
Oceloctopus ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 06:14:47 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Iirc, the movie I, robot takes up something like 2 pages of the book.
Sir_Speshkitty ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:40:38 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I, Robot (film) is really a bunch of books smooshed together.
emptybucketpenis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:58:35 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I robot was pretty good.
Camwood7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:22:14 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Dark is Rising...
Dark_aprentice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:55:21 on August 13, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Personally, I really enjoyed the movie. The first half of the movie is in black and white and in the first memory scene you see so many different colours, I actually felt pretty emotional at that part. The movie wasn't perfect and it had some "romance movie" parts but the parts true to the book are really good
WhiteKnigth ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 04:18:44 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What does YA stands for ?
musiqua ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 04:28:26 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Young Adult, it's the fiction genre targeted towards teens--includes twilight, hunger games, divergent, etc. There's a whole "are we self-infanltilizing because adults spend so much time reading YA" debate going on in some non-genre, classic literary circles. Like why something like 8 million copies of Twilight sold vs. 200K copies of the book that wins the Pulitzer.
WhiteKnigth ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 04:32:47 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting since I did read some YA but totally hated all the YA movies made si far.
musiqua ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 04:41:47 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I find the movies and tv adaptations to be particularly painful, mostly because every actor that is cast is so blandly attractive and the dialogue is excruciating.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:56:17 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't they rip dialogue right from the book?
Oaden ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:39:52 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe, but that doesn't mean the book dialogue is bad, you can't use realistic dialogue when you are writing, it reads like shit, and once you transfer to film you have to change it again, because stuff that reads fine can easily come across as really cringe worthy.
KennyFulgencio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:17:51 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tell that to Mamet
deyknow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:32:57 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You didn't like The Perks of Being a Wallflower or the Harry Potter series? I thought those were examples of how make good YA movies.
WhiteKnigth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:40:41 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well HP I started reading it at 8 always thought of it as a childhood book, and haven't read / watch wallflower is it worth it ?
deyknow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:07:19 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wallflower is really good. HP starts as a children's series then morphs into a YA one
workpuppy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:12:48 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not a fan of YA books, but I find that argument ridiculous. Those groups crap on every genre that's not high literature, so their criticisms are effectively meaningless.
AbigailLilac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:02:50 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because adult fiction has lost its luster recently. I feel like some of it is even more boring and contrived. coughJamesPattersoncough It also tends to be way more serious in tone and language, and some people want something lighter. I enjoy both, but I can understand why people wouldn't like one or the other.
Drudicta ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:05:47 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Now i know what the name of the genre to avoid is! Thanks!
Now if only anime had "YA" listings so I could avoid watching 3 episodes before realizing I hate it.
DoughnutHole ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:48:42 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
On the other hand there's a lot of great, thought provoking YA literature out there (Perks of Being a Wallflower, John Green stuff etc), while the most popular "Adult" fiction is stuff like James Patterson.
VacuouslyUntrue ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:25:11 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What does James Paterson write? When you said that name I immediately thought of the 26 yr old Australian Senator.
KennyFulgencio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:24:44 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well... he was formerly in advertising, then in the mid 90s he started writing the Alex Cross series of crime novels (starting with Along Came a Spider--pretty good actually, or so it seemed--then Kiss the Girls--both of these first two were made into films--then about 27 more Alex Cross books since then, and he won't stop until he dies or something).
From there, he created a mini empire of extremely easy to read, snack size, predigested novels--more crime novels and YA--and he's the co-author for most of them, meaning he does editing and plot direction while the other co-author fills in the details. (I think Patterson actually said he's great with ideas for plot skeletons, but not so skilled at filling them out with writing the story). It's not uncommon for them to have chapters that are 2 pages. (Or one page if you count front and back. Then the next page starts another chapter, with the heading and big space on top and everything.)
His explanation is that most people don't have time to read a traditional chapter in a novel because it takes too much time. If they're reading while commuting, they'll only have time to read a few pages before they change trains or such (per his explanation of all of this). So they like this format where a chapter is a couple of pages long, even though it feels trite and insulting to some traditional readers.
If I'm not mistaken, he does have the greatest number of NYT bestseller novels, or the highest income for a novelist in the US, or something like that. So his strategy has proven valid.
The really annoying part about his advertising background, at least in his earlier books, is that he shoehorns brand names and characters from ad campaigns into the story kind of obnoxiously. Like not even as a product placement thing, it's like he thinks that people will relate to the characters' thought processes more, if the characters are reminded of, say, Jared from Subway, or they notice the footprints match Air Force Ones or similar things... I get the feeling he really thinks this helps him connect with readers. And the guy is very rich so he's doing something right, for a lot of people, apparently. Ugh.
Pjcrafty ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 04:21:36 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Young Adult. Usually 12-17.
WhiteKnigth ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:26:18 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks
Gneissisnice ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:25:39 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, I actually enjoyed it and I usually hate movies based on books that I've read.
They did change the ending though, your mileage may vary on how good it was. But I didn't hate the movie.
hypo-osmotic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:11:00 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
imo the ending of the book was the worst part of the book (I hate vague endings). Maybe I will give the movie a try.
Dragon_DLV ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:27:32 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It didn't stray completely way from the book.
Though where it did stray was in making the reasons for the Memories being passed a bit more sci-fi-y than the book, which was much more vague on the reasoning.
CucumberGod ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:49:01 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It wasn't painful to watch the giver after reading the book but it was not very good. Also I didn't see it in theatres it was just on tv so I wasted no money
Vamking12 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:51:49 on October 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Added an unnecessary romance subplot
yenwood ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 04:11:15 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't seen the movie, so I don't know how much they changed (seems like a lot judging by the trailer) but society had a lot of things taken away from them with magical voodoo and stored in the giver.
iirc normal people still had the capacity to lie but didn't see any reason to (and i don't think Jonas ever lied, just kidnapped a baby?) as they weren't jealous or envious. No one even cared that "release" was physician assisted suicide/murder until Jonas received enough memories from the giver to object against it, when he kidnapped the baby and made his escape. I think his plan was to die to release his memories to all communities?
Either way, my reading group agreed the book was about whether it was better to be blissfully unaware (the general population) or to be burdened by knowledge (the giver and the receiver) and that Jonas was a dick for fucking it all up.
When i first heard there was going to be a movie adaptation, I was pretty skeptical about how good it could be, considering a part of the book was realizing that things weren't what you expected them to be because you were seeing the world through Jonas. For example: everyone is colorblind. Jonas starts to see colors but he has no idea what's happening when he starts to see red apples and colorful flowers. You have no idea what he thinks is weird about them until the giver reveals Jonas is starting to see colour. And realizing that "release" is suicide was sorta fucked up considering how casually everyone was talking about it a few chapters before.
mastersword130 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 04:19:32 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's all in the movie.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:00:20 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The color reveal wouldn't work in the movie, you don't realize he's colorblind until a certain point
gurlat ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:31:52 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The movie starts in black and white.
It made me think something was wrong with my TV.
mastersword130 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:20:02 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're all colorblind until he sees the hair
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 05:15:52 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They turned it into an awful theatre play at my high school, the pacing was haring and it had maybe one scene where you halfway cared what was happening. Which is weird because the plays they put on tend to be really good.
AbigailLilac ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:45:05 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Read the book. I know that people say that extremely often, but The Giver is a classic and the movie has it stripped of its value.
HeirToPendragon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:27:54 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I read the book a few months ago. Its... Nothing special. Lost me when they described a world where people couldn't see color. And then an ending that didn't really provide enough answers or closure.
magmay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:35:48 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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sgst ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:45:17 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Divergent was the same. It was so horribly obvious how much it was playing on both the 'teenage angst' thing and 'finding yourself as a woman' thing, I couldn't enjoy it at all. It felt so very contrived. I mean hunger games does exactly the same, but with a better story and without so obviously trying to make you feel all the things.
seestheirrelevant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:20:30 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, those are my nostalgia goggles, let me have them.
hellokkiten ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:05:24 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But YA is all the rage! It'll make the producers loads of hookers and blow cash!
ours ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 07:46:25 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Evil adults in the form of highly acclaimed actors wasting their talent for an easy paycheck.
RevWaldo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:39:28 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually your parents turn out to have been members of the rebellion this whole damn time, but you weren't old enough to know the truth. Never mind, they'll be dead soon.
foolish-rain ยท 240 points ยท Posted at 01:02:13 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But what unique shade of purple/gold are your eyes?
Megaman0WillFuckUrGF ยท 56 points ยท Posted at 04:09:47 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A pimp named Slickback purple and not the bright yellow American spirits, the other one Gold
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:02:47 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol every damn time with the american spirits, its like no lady i want the dark blue not light blue. Ive been in here 5 times this week and you still get it wrong
Nikolaievitch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:48:06 on August 13, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Duh they are cat like eyes that are able to see into anyone's souls
corporateswine ยท 320 points ยท Posted at 19:02:51 on August 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey now, we've come a long way in YA Novel's these days, sometimes one of the two hot white dudes is kind of swarthy.
inside-the-madhouse ยท 169 points ยท Posted at 01:53:15 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
a swarthy Native American werewolf, even
throwaway_thyroid ยท 138 points ยท Posted at 03:07:07 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Who is a good enough sport to bow out of the love triangle and become their son-in-law instead!
[deleted] ยท 94 points ยท Posted at 03:45:18 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The baby was just too sexy for him to resist.
throwtowardaccount ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 05:28:13 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We've all been there. It happens to the best of us
hellokkiten ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 06:08:03 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
can't have the hot girl, just fuck the baby she had with your rival.
tangentandhyperbole ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 08:45:41 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Who's the real winner here
macfirbolg ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 09:33:30 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The publishers and producers who took all the money?
hellokkiten ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:35:27 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The baby probably.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:21:37 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
r/nocontext
notLOL ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 06:50:38 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Indigenous white male
Kahina91 ยท 580 points ยท Posted at 16:48:25 on August 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thing that always bothered me is when they live in the wasteland or in poverty, they still have perfect teeth, TEACH ME YOUR SECRETS!
sryii ยท 394 points ยท Posted at 17:54:10 on August 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually a lot of people who are poor can have incredible teeth, like a lot of people in the indigenous tribes in Africa. A lot of tooth decay comes from the new world food and western/modern diets. If we ate a diet similar to our ancient ancestors we'd have better teeth, in part because the microbiota of our mouth would change too. For example in the Hunger games the poor as dirt girl relied heavily on wild game and edible plants to supplement the meager food rations. This would be more similar to our naturally occurring diet and so she could potentially have very nice teeth.
Kahina91 ยท 258 points ยท Posted at 18:02:25 on August 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's a difference between healthy and "good" as we (western) understand it. You can have healthy teeth without tooth straightening and whitening, but my comment was referring to the extensive dental work that the characters in Mad Max (in their universe) probably aren't receiving. Peeps need to take a step back and not see this as an indictment of the poor.
ZenBerzerker ยท 95 points ยท Posted at 02:56:40 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mad Max shows you more fucked-up teeth than any other example you could have picked! Plus dwarves, amputees, weird sores and breathing issues and so on. Mad Max delivers on body diversity.
Zifnab25 ยท 127 points ยท Posted at 21:45:07 on August 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, in Mad Max, everyone just used silver spray paint.
ThisIsNotAMonkey ยท 53 points ยท Posted at 03:19:17 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
WITNESS ME
[deleted] ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 03:25:27 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
WITNESSED
J3acon ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 04:18:48 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks
bunnypaca ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 04:00:02 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mediocre.
emptybucketpenis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:59:44 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
43 people witnessed this, 3 shares
Kruug ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:29:50 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Chrome spray paint.
sryii ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 19:05:59 on August 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wasn't trying to be mean or anything it is just actually quite interesting to me how healthy teeth can be with minimal care and diet change.
Team_Braniel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:11:19 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most of the crooked teeth we see in modern times comes from eating soft and well prepared food.
Primitive man ate food that was less prepared and most meat was eaten "on the bone" and the bone itself would have been gnawed on to get as much sustenance as possible.
The act of chewing and gnawing, it is thought, helps push teeth around and encourages adult teeth to have the space and positioning needed to more properly come in.
Modern diets have almost no gnawing and most food is prepared so anything excessively chewy is bad and not preferred. This is thought to lead to a large portion of the crooked teeth we see today.
tocilog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:52:56 on August 13, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Basically you just have to ask yourself, is spending the time and money for prosthetic teeth for all your cast worth it just to preemptively shut down the few people who enjoys finding every little 'error' in a movie (in which case they wouldn't enjoy your movie anymore)?
ZenBerzerker ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:54:55 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The ones who brush their teeth with cow urine and ash or the ones who live where there's trees that sprout natural toothbrushy twigs?
mens_libertina ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 09:59:44 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably the ones who don't eat processed sugar at every meal like the 1st world.
SabashChandraBose ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:22:10 on August 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Alright. Explain the stubble and the makeup.
sryii ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 20:10:30 on August 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Beard hair falls out prematurely because of radiation and tattoos.
FUCKING_HATE_REDDIT ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 08:56:25 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If it falls of, it wouldn't leave stubbles, dumb dumb.
sryii ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:43:15 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Obviously it doesn't happen all at once, dumb dumb. Some hairs are just starting to grow out while others are starting to fall out. It is in stable perpetual state of almost taking off, like Tesla.
FUCKING_HATE_REDDIT ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:46:41 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And you still don't get stubles. If your hair is getting shorter-lived, your average hair will be younger and younger, until they disappear. But young hair is not a stuble, it's more of a blonde quasi invisible super thin hair.
Balding people don't get stubles on their head, the only way to get a stuble is to cut your hair.
sryii ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:56:30 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I never said it was going to be great stubble. It's sad but that is the price you pay for living in the apocalypse.
FUCKING_HATE_REDDIT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:59:40 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but it's not gonna be max's face, it's just gonna be smooth invisible baby hair.
movzx ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 00:56:19 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We've been shaving for centuries. Why would we stop?
2percentright ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:05:00 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Better than just ripping it out like we used to
aryst0krat ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 00:42:01 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, "It's a movie."
Movies don't get made without makeup. Hell, they do specific makeup to simulate no makeup.
If you read the actual subject matter, it doesn't mention makeup - or often mentions specifically that there is none.
murdermeformysins ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:26:09 on August 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
stubble would make sense. In a post-apoc society with a heavy combat focus you'd want to keep a reasonably short beard for utilitarian reasons
makeup is whatever
inside-the-madhouse ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:50:46 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ye olde primitive tribes have been painting their faces since time immemorial, aka makeup, though I grant you it's not exactly gonna be easy breezy beautiful covergirl.
FirstTimeWang ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:39:54 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also dudes in Africa rub that stick on their teeth.
is_a_goat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:59 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Indigenous tribes have great teeth because, if your teeth are bad, you die.
sryii ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:46:12 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well partly. They also have a vastly different diet, more similar to our original diet and they also have fewer microbes associated with tooth decay. In part the alignment is another factor contributing to survival of the fittest.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:39:04 on August 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In the Old Testament there's a passage somewhere that is usually translated in English "May you have an empty stomach", but in Hebrew it's literally "May you have clean teeth", meaning clean teeth due to lack of food.
UzukiCheverie ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 05:04:28 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pirates of the Caribbean was a pretty good example of period-based teeth. Quite a few characters had pretty fucked up teeth, and many had teeth replaced with fake ones (including gold and silver teeth). It really added to the atmosphere and time period of those films.
ZenBerzerker ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:53:39 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's my universal historical and/or fantasy nitpick.
ThinkMinty ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:17:44 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Off the top of my head, Finn the Human avoids this. It's explained as him having a habit of chewing rocks.
ZenBerzerker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:11:48 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Finn had to go dentist once.
teleporterdown ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 17:05:26 on August 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Just regular flossing and brushing. Just because they live in a wasteland doesn't mean they have to treat their teeth like wild animals.
Edit: /s
darkshaddow42 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 17:46:07 on August 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Perfect doesn't just mean gleaming white. For many people it takes braces or touchups to get straight teeth.
ours ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:49:36 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The evil people that run the world added Orthodonxia into the water. It's a magic liquid that makes teeth perfect. Don't want your underlings looking like third-world hobos.
FUCKING_HATE_REDDIT ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:57:09 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Having white teeth without fluoride is hard.
bobosuda ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:18:56 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yup. I think a lot of people are confusing "white teeth" with "healthy teeth". Yes, indigenous people or humans who lived thousands of years ago might have had healthy teet in general, but they almost certainly don't have pearly white teeth like we associate with "healthy teeth" these days; you don't get that without modern dental technology. White and perfectly straight/symmetrical teeth is not the same as having naturally healthy teeth because of your primitive diet.
hellokkiten ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:10:16 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also they all shave, despite the poverty and the death and the danger.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:36:51 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Universal healthcare
InteriorEmotion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:33:28 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Their food has no sugar in it.
scandalousmambo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:42:01 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody wants to look at horrifying grins for two hours.
They don't want to read about them either.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:58:32 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To each his own. I prefer immersive authenticity.
emptybucketpenis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:01:20 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I want
megablast ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:58:05 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You want them to show them with fucked up teeth? You probably want to see them spend 5% of the movie on the shitter. And alseep.
GameMasterJ ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 05:48:45 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cultures that don't use silverware and pull meat off the bone with their teeth usually have straighter teeth
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 04:14:37 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Have your mom slap your hand whenever you try to play with your teeth.
That's what my mom did and neither me nor none of my siblings needed braces.
JamlessSandwich ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:33:16 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Straight teeth is defined by genetics, not how often teeth are touched.
NotAsConspicuous ยท 169 points ยท Posted at 18:59:36 on August 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Reminds me of https://twitter.com/DystopianYA
mindbleach ยท 69 points ยท Posted at 01:20:30 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That was a great account, but they blew through all possible material almost immediately.
MoarVespenegas ยท 127 points ยท Posted at 03:30:16 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Much like YA novels.
Oaden ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 09:47:59 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Better to quit when your done than to drag it out, this is hilarious though.
BuilderHarm ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 10:39:49 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
By far their best tweet
bugxter ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:14:21 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That just beautiful.
ThePirateKing01 ยท 403 points ยท Posted at 20:08:37 on August 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The only time I'll care about a YA movie adaptation is if they decide to do Artemis Fowl. Otherwise, no interest
DiamondBalls ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 22:02:52 on August 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Haven't heard that name in a long time. Weren't they going to make a movie?
[deleted] ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 04:22:02 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Think it might be stuck in development hell like Maximum Ride was but iirc MR is getting a movie at the end of this month so maybe Artemis is next?
Hortondamon22 ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 04:42:13 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't the Executive Priducer of MR Jenna Marbles??.
putthehurtton ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 06:07:50 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Correct. That movie looks like a mess and it's a damn shame.
ELF4000 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 10:25:06 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There is a maximum ride manga that's pretty kickass. I haven't finished it but it follows the books really closely so far.
seestheirrelevant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:26:06 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except the the design of Fang, which was like "ooooh, there's the obligatory dumb bishi. Ok"
DiversityOfThoughts ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 06:15:26 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You are apparently correct... And a trailer was released a couple weeks ago.
guinefort ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 06:23:32 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That looks truly bad.
DiversityOfThoughts ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 06:34:02 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's exactly my reaction.
Duke_Jopper ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:09:29 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Woah, MR has a movie? I remember reading that a while ago as a kid, that was really when I started narrowing down into what genres I enjoyed.
PotatoBucket3 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 06:47:38 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently the producer is Jenna Marbles and this is the trailer. I was excited too, but the trailer looks bad.
seestheirrelevant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:24:04 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm afraid to see what they do to MR
Kittenclysm ยท 186 points ยท Posted at 00:55:12 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
With the Rock as Butler, please. I don't care if he's Eurasian, he's huge and awesome.
mobearsdog ยท 81 points ยท Posted at 02:18:53 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was thinking Dave Bautista
AadeeMoien ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 04:05:35 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's more neck than man!
ProfessorPhi ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 06:42:07 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Doesnt have the right feel.
RufinTheFury ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 06:46:08 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Much better than the Rock. The Rock's whole gimmick is just that, he's a gimmick. He has hella charisma and makes tons of jokes.
Bautista was the silent badass who would fuck you up in a second with or without a weapon. He didn't speak much and if he did it was very serious.
Which one sounds like a better fit for the silent and professional Butler?
Kittenclysm ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 09:15:46 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
frist of all how dare yo u
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 11:35:13 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Give me one movie where the rock isnt playing the rock
ScaramouchScaramouch ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 12:15:03 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Be Cool
Kittenclysm ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:26:39 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You mean actually billed as having played the Rock? Or playing a character with a similar personality to himself? Because better actors than him have "played themselves" in that way.
kloudykat ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:43:37 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd be happy with a gimmick like that.
Oh wait, that is called talent.
CycloneSwift ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:29:36 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh god yes
TheScrawl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:35:49 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We need to go bigger
[deleted] ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 03:33:42 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Rock is a Somoan from Canada
throwtowardaccount ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 05:30:02 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Who played a greek demi god and an Akkadian warrior dude. He can pull off Sig Sauer wielding body guard butler.
Kittenclysm ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 09:17:10 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean Butler is described as being Eurasian and the Rock isn't, not the other way around.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:21:14 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ooh
TheRealCJ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:32:24 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Uh, Butler is described as Eurasian, isn't he?
EDIT: Yeah, just checked it, definitely described as Eurasian. The Rock would basically be perfect.
Kittenclysm ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:28:53 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean Butler is described as being Eurasian and the Rock isn't, not the other way around.
Jimmni ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:04:14 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They'd need to make him 50% larger. Minimum.
not_mantiteo ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 20:15:17 on August 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What does YA mean? Young Age?
GB-171 ยท 83 points ยท Posted at 20:16:41 on August 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Young adult
benjom6d ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 01:59:29 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What makes a young adult book different from a regular adult book? Just target audience?
legobmw99 ยท 73 points ยท Posted at 02:05:05 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Target audience is the biggest distinction, but it also does come with some loose associations. Shorter, protagonist is also a young adult, focus on coming of age / learning lessons, etc.
GryphonNumber7 ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 04:54:25 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also, as the comic lampoons, the most marketable YA novels tend to be teenage empowerment fantasies set in super simplistic black and white political/economic environments. It's exactly what you'd expect to appeal to a demographic that's been raised to believe they're special and can do anything and are just now becoming aware of how societies function, but whose main avenue for exploring that society is high school.
legobmw99 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 05:16:38 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
While that's very true for a certain group of YA novels, there are plenty that don't follow that guideline. A lot of recent mainstream YA has focused on a world or situation very different from our own, but there is tons of fiction in the genre being written about far more benign things. Take for example John Green's books or The Perks of Being a Wallflower. Those novels are some really standout YA works, and have none of what you just described.
At the end of the day, YA is less of a genre and more of just a big tent. There is YA romance, scifi, fantasy, etc. It's almost impossible to make sweeping statements about it besides "it targets teenagers in some way"
RiskyBrothers ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:52:13 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Even The Hunger Games isn't 100% black and white. Sure, the first two books are pretty one-way with their morals, but book 3 did a good job of showing the dark side of the resistance (or whatever they were called) and had you sympathizing with some of the capitol citizens.
scroom38 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:00:14 on August 13, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It did have absolutely terrible writing in some parts, "katniss backed herself into a corner, how will she escape?"
"she faints"
"a week later everyone is fine and no-one mentions how she got out of a seemingly impossible situation."
I mean if you write a great part and don't have another option then fine, I'll ignore it, but if memory serves, it happened a few times. Anytime she got into a sticky situation her solution was to faint, and let other people figure it out.
RiskyBrothers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:00:16 on August 13, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think the point of those parts was that Katniss was a really shitty soldier, because putting people under incredible stress doesn't make heros, it breaks people.
scroom38 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:27:56 on August 13, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, ahe'd already gone under intense mental, physical, and emotional stress at that point. And remained solid.
Like I said, if it makes sense I'm good, but it was like:
"Kills major figure in front of a bunch of other people... Faints... Ok now its all ok"
I remember rereading certain parts 3-4 times because I figured I must have missed something, no writing could be that lazy could it? It could.
RiskyBrothers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:11:25 on August 13, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ok, the Hunger Games isn't the hill I want to die fighting on.
GryphonNumber7 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:48:27 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I know, that's why I said "the most marketable YA novels", not "most" or "the best".
FUCKING_HATE_REDDIT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:58:42 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And if they can't have black and white, they fall in the gray-gray/"everyone is a dick" pretty easily.
benjom6d ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:06:48 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ok I see. Thanks you!
iamtheowlman ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 09:24:57 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Notable YA examples are Twilight, Divergent, Hunger Games, Maze Runner.
Essentially ask yourself "Does this appeal to a wangsty teenager?" If yes, it's probably YA.
PotatoBucket3 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 06:48:47 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Young adult books are read by mostly middle schoolers. Adult books are for adults, and maybe late high school.
TheRealCJ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:34:44 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Young Adult basically means teenagers, it's their way of being non-condescending.
Bucklar ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 03:13:47 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A young adult book is usually worse and action oriented and for girls.
Phoxxent ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 04:07:48 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, not necessarily. It could also be for young 12 year old boys who haven't discovered anime.
ITworksGuys ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 20:19:53 on August 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Young Adult.
Twilight. The 100. Divergent. Etc...
dating_derp ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 02:23:25 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also Hunger Games.
McGobs ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 03:41:31 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And the Mazerunner.
Maxrdt ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 04:02:36 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Golden Compass/His Dark Materials series.
Ryugar ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 05:30:35 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Those were good... I remember reading alot of Garth Nix when I was younger.... Shade's Children and Sabriel.
DesdinovaGG ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:51:43 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why haven't we had a Sabriel movie yet? ;-;
DavidG993 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:32:25 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because they'd fuck it up. And the characters are adults, like early twenties, and Sabriel's husband (forgot his name, been forever since I read Sabriel) is likely to be hundreds of years old, he just got Captain America'd in lumber. Lirael's the youngest main protag IIRC. Hell, Sabriel's a damn queen in Abhorsen.
Ryugar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:55:14 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yea! It would have been a pretty cool movie trilogy, or even a short TV series. They got witches and vampires... why not a necromancer? I don't remember too much from the books anymore its been a while for me but the characters and world were pretty well developed and could easily have been visualized as a movie..... but ofcourse they'd prob just end up pissing book fans off.
Duck_Sized_Dick ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:53:33 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If memory serves those were actually rather good no?
Maxrdt ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 05:03:48 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They were great, just in the YA category. There are some really great books in that genre, Artemis Fowl, Harry Potter, His Dark Materials, definitely don't dismiss books in that genre out of hand.
There's just some fun to be poked at a bit of a glut of some of the more recent ones sharing some rather predictable or repetitive themes, or their movie adaptations adding those themes *cough* The Giver *cough*.
Duck_Sized_Dick ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 05:04:34 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Giver is exactly why I hold no faith in Hollywood to make a good Artemis Fowl movie.
Maxrdt ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:09:28 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think that it would be as badly molested as The Giver due to having more action already in it, but I still would probably be disappointed.
I actually wasn't very impressed by the novel Divergent, but I thought that it could potentially make a great movie, but the movie was pretty mediocre as well.
honestabe101 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:42:41 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And now the last Divergent film is a tv movie that they hope kicks off a show! That just oozes mediocrity
Kruug ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:28:43 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Harry Potter is the YA version of LOTR.
Tuor896 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:43:20 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Idk about that, the Hobbit is more like the YA of LOTR, HP is more like the YA of Dresden Files
Vaprus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:31:16 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Aren't Dresden Files the YA version of Dresden Files?
Wizc0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:11:30 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
the Hobbit is a kid's book.
not_mantiteo ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:21:38 on August 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ah that makes sense. Not sure how I didn't make that connection before.
mastersword130 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:23:38 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Harry Potter as well but they were good at least and the adults weren't totally useless.
Zifnab25 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:48:02 on August 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Young Adult!
Navihawk11 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:18:37 on August 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Young Adult
chrom_ed ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 20:23:16 on August 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Youth aged.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 05:31:28 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I could watch an Immortal Nicholas Flamel movie also.
Vitztlampaehecatl ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 22:12:51 on August 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking hell, why haven't they done this yet?! It would be GREAT!
Duck_Sized_Dick ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 04:54:30 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hold no hope for a film adaptation of Artemis Fowl. I just know that they're gonna fuck it up.
I don't know how, I don't know with what, and I don't know why, but I promise, they will fuck it up.
[deleted] ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 05:35:01 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Remember the Percy Jackson movies?
They will 100% fuck it up.
FUCKING_HATE_REDDIT ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 09:00:05 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh man they could fuck it up so bad. Remember golden compass? Now add a smirking smug asshole with a superiority complex. And CGI centaurs.
RomanAbramovich ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:48:06 on August 13, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Artemis and Holly will be much more romantically involved. I know there was underlying romantic tension there anyway, but they'll make it about 50% of the film.
TheRealCJ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:38:13 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I used to love AF, but I've kinda cooled on it as I've gotten older. the titular character is a bit of a Mary Sue, to be honest. What really got me was in the second book when he Somehow managed to just guess the exact thing that had happened (Goblins Trading with Humans) with no prior knowledge despite it having only just happened.
Even as a kid that annoyed me. Like, there's smart, then there's clairvoyant.
movzx ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 00:54:57 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's gonna be YYYUUGGE.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 04:01:10 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That or give me a decent eragon series, not that horsecock we got a few years back
GokaiCant ยท 63 points ยท Posted at 05:32:12 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think they'll need a decent Eragon book series before they can do a decent Eragon film series
Dragon-Porn-Expert ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 06:08:26 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It appealed to me back in elementary/middle school.
I partially blame it for certain elements in my life.
Ryugar ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:05:40 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Like what, your dragon porn fetish?
Dragon-Porn-Expert ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:04:29 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly what I'm referring to.
smarwell ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 06:15:34 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
While the Eragon series has its flaws, I would argue that in terms of YA novels, it's at least decent
The_Brian ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 07:08:03 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ending kinda killed it. I think the issue is almost what was being described here, the author started the book as a pretty good idea with a lot of young adult story tropes. He wrote himself into a few corners and instead of just sticking too his guns, he tried to make the story more "mature" in themes and writing structure and ended up jumping the shark a bit.
TLDR: He grew up and thought his old stuff was kiddy and cringey and tried to be more adult ruing what made it good in the first place.
Dragonsoul ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 10:39:54 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The ending felt so much like 'Okay, we have to fulfill this whole prophecy thing from two books back, no matter how little sense it makes'
darkdrgon2136 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 06:35:11 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I only read the first book, but all I remember is it was the plot of Star Wars with a dragon
FUCKING_HATE_REDDIT ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:00:38 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And atheist elves. For some reason.
TheRealCJ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:38:45 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's a reason it had to be self-published.
Dragon-Porn-Expert ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:07:08 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
...
RiskyBrothers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:49:04 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Gregor the Overlander please. I maintain that out of Collins' work, it's better than Hunger Games.
FirstTimeWang ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:41:10 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is Temeraire YA?
TheMortalOne ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:14:33 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
same, except I would also be happy with Mistborn.
lostmycoolname ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:22:49 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Man! You just made my day!
Haven't seen anyone bring that series up in a while.
I haven't bothered to check if they continued after the book with Artemis's female counterpart. That one kind of fell flat for me, personally.
cultured_banana_slug ยท 328 points ยท Posted at 02:02:34 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget the crippling reliance on the first-person and an allergy to the words "say" and "said".
"I can't believe you did that!" he laughed/sighed/grumbled/mumbled/garbled/drooled.
"Well believe it!" I retorted/shot back/intoned/expressed/galorfed.
sleepyhollow_101 ยท 156 points ยท Posted at 02:14:25 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm going to use "galorfed" instead of "said" in everything I write now, thanks for the tip!
KennyDiggins ยท 131 points ยท Posted at 04:08:52 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's what she galorfed.
stayphrosty ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 08:32:03 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
eww
TheRealCJ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:39:53 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
oooooh Garlof can you Galooooooooorf
kloudykat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:39:07 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She galorfed, with a posed expression on her face.
Megaman0WillFuckUrGF ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 04:07:06 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Did you print off the quarterly reports" Ben from accounting galorfed
lesser_panjandrum ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 05:51:30 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mm, what'd you galorf?
Mm, that you only meant well
Well of course you did
Mm, what'd you galorf?
Mm, that it's all for the best
Of course it is
moneybeard42 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:16:22 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tears in my eyes. Every time I read it I crack up laughing. Thank you
ketsugi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:03:20 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Feels like a vibrating hand through my chest
mens_libertina ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:56:48 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My mind is torn pronouncing that word as either galorf-ed or galor-fed. :-/
Citizen_Kong ยท 59 points ยท Posted at 06:29:10 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Bonus points for additional adverbs: "he mumbled mysteriously", "she drooled elegantly", "they galorfed incessantly".
mitsi ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 08:44:44 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, pretty much all of the how-to-writes say that you should scan the text for adverbs and then get rid of them. Show vs tell and all that.
Citizen_Kong ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 10:07:29 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think good old Stephen King said it best: "I believe the road to hell is paved with adverbs, and I will shout it from the rooftops. To put it another way, theyโre like dandelions. If you have one on your lawn, it looks pretty and unique. If you fail to root it out, however, you find five the next day . . . fifty the day after that . . . and then, my brothers and sisters, your lawn is totally, completely, and profligately covered with dandelions. By then you see them for the weeds they really are, but by then itโs โ GASP!! โ too late."
ketsugi ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:08:08 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ftfy
Koiq ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:26:50 on August 25, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In academic writing, yesโin fiction, no.
[deleted] ยท 61 points ยท Posted at 03:51:48 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I really hate it when instead of using first person to be super-deep into a character's psyche (ex: American Psycho) it's just a crutch to let the bland faceless protagonist be internally snarky in a really generic sitcom sort of way.
Good first person can do really cool shit with unreliable narration and coloring the world, but it seems like most people use it to shamelessly Mary Sue.
cultured_banana_slug ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:21:03 on August 13, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. Good first person needs to be read and re-read because you can see all the flaws in the way the person sees the world.
A jealous person sees suspect behavior in everything their partner does. Did the partner really act suspiciously? Were they really cruel? And what does the protagonist miss because their viewpoint is singular?
If it's really good, we learn as much about the person we're traveling with as we do about the world. More, because we see the world through their eyes, and so must learn about them in order to truly appreciate the world.
Most of the time we don't get that. Instead all we get is I I I I Me Me Me Me.
And one thing that reeeeally bugs me: How the fuck does the writer explain all this shit? If the person is creating a journal after the fact, how the hell do they remember entire conversations verbatim? That would be incredibly suspect. I can't even remember word-for-word conversations I had 5 minutes ago. I remember the gist, maybe a sentence or two, but do I remember it accurately? Doubtful. If I compared notes with everyone else in the group I would lay odds we remembered it a bit differently. And that's only 5 fucking minutes!
When I'm in my own head I don't even narrate the world the way the first-person protagonist does. I don't think, "I open the door and wonder: Have I made it home in time for dinner? The bus was really late... " I just open the fucking door. I don't think, "My hand reaches out, trembling with cold, as I hope they haven't begun without me."
The first-person is a dangerous thing. Only truly gifted writers should go anywhere near it.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:41:11 on August 13, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is why I love Bret Easton Ellis, whom I've already praised but shut up.
He does first person present tense with a bit of stream-of-consciousness and it's fantastic. Because it avoids all the problems you're talking about and essentially lets you sit in that character's brain watching things as they happen.
But yeah, that style is hard to pull off, and I absolutely loathe about 90% of present tense narration, and first person past tense seems like it's throwing away most of what makes first person good, so you might as well use third. And third person present tense is just pointless because it's interchangeable with past tense.
___forMVP ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:48:25 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just started the asoiaf series and I think it does a great job of this.
Vaprus ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 08:40:34 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't all of asoiaf in third person?
RiskyBrothers ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 08:46:32 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Every single word of it.
ThinkusMcGee ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 09:41:12 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
it is, but every chapter is from the perspective of the character whose name it bears.
so, for example: Sansa's early chapters have very childish, simple language, and seem very focused on how unfair things seem to be to her. while Tyrion's feature dry humor, and a more nuanced view of the world.
cultured_banana_slug ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:26:39 on August 13, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The thing I like about ASOIAF is that it becomes an entirely different experience once you realize this.
When I first started reading it, I just thought the style was a bit odd. Disjointed. Then someone pointed it out to me and it was like that dim little bulb popped into life and I realized, OH! Look! New facet!
He named that fucker Hodor how many books before it became relevant? Dude knows what he's doing.
Vaprus ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:56:38 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's pretty much necessary for a book written in third person with multiple characters to be good. I'd say the first law universe does this quite a bit better than asoiaf.
ThinkusMcGee ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:58:59 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
well, that's kind of underselling it. we're talking dozens of different perspectives, each with their own distinct writing style and perspective limitations (each chapter also only shows you what the named character experiences)...
I haven't read this other series, so I won't say you're wrong, per se, but I will go as far as saying that's a pretty bold statement, considering what you're comparing it to.
Vaprus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:12:30 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trying to devalue Martin's writing wasn't my intention at all, sorry if it seemed that way.
All I was trying to say, is that books written from the perspective of multiple characters that don't differentiate in the style of writing often come off as bland, so it's kind if the expected for the narrative to change depending on the character. Martin does a great job of that and there aren't many authors I've seen that have been able to do better.
Abercrombie's First Law Universe series is, in my opinion, one of those rare instances where it's even better than Martin's work. Admittedly, there are less characters, but it's still amazing.
If you enjoyed asoiaf, do give a read to FLU, I think you will find it quite enjoyable.
ThinkusMcGee ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:44:55 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
no worries. I am actually excited for a new series to tackle, so thanks!
But...having read a fair amount over the years (I'm sure some have read more than I, but I feel like I had cut a reasonably wide swathe through the sci fi and fantasy genres up till about 10 years ago), I gotta respectfully disagree with your assessment about the overall state of fiction writing: it has not really been my experience that it's
...in fact, I found it to be exceedingly rare. which is one reason I found the ASOIAF series to be so impressive. even exceedingly richly populated universes like Pratchett's Discworld or Iain M. Banks' Culture series generally keep the same tone and style throughout.
but either way, I look forward to a new challenge, so thanks again!
___forMVP ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 08:49:45 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So thinking harder about it....you're absolutely right. But the way the 3rd person narration is told (what is taken as fact, how people are described, the words and tone chosen) all changes depending on the character being followed. I'm not good at explaining it.
ketsugi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:05:48 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's what's called limited third person. Yes, the pronouns used are third person, but you still get the perspective of the character in question. Which means everything you're reading is colored by the mind, experiences and expectations of that character. It's a good way to have different chapters focused on different characters, while still allowing for unreliable narrators.
(Imagine if every chapter of ASoIaF was written in the first person instead, we'd probably get pretty confused after a while.)
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:40:42 on August 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_indirect_speech
TubasAreFun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:18:21 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A Clockwork Orange for instance
Th3MufF1nU8 ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 07:23:21 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh geeze, people on /r/nosleep are the worst at this. Completely immersion breaking too, and leaves no room for interpretation when using an over descriptive verb like that.
KennyFulgencio ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:28:58 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You might hate the Thomas Covenant books. If there's any fiction which goes further out of its way to require a dictionary and thesaurus (even from people who never have this problem normally), I haven't heard of it.
NotClever ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:43:21 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't read those, but try out some China Mieville books. Good stuff, but the only books I've read since I was 10 that have required me to reference a dictionary.
KennyFulgencio ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:45:30 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I read Perdido Street Station, if that counts... it was well written and interesting but the fate of the female protagonist made me pissed off at the author, a lot
_DasDingo_ ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 10:01:25 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Meh, I think using "he/she said" three (or often two) times in a row is too much, but then again I am no writer.
Casual_Wizard ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 13:10:51 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty often, it's best avoided by leaving it out, as in She turned to face him. "What did you just say, you scumbag?!"
cultured_banana_slug ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:30:35 on August 13, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The point is to signal who is speaking when it would otherwise be unclear. You never want the reader to wonder, "Who the fuck said that?" and then have to count lines from the most recent clue.
For the most part, "said" and "say" fade into the background if not used every single time someone says something. Sort of like quotation marks. You don't really notice those either... unless it's a work brought over from the UK and an editor forgot to swap " for '.
"HEY! Where'd the other fucker go?"
starfries ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 08:32:33 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
TIL I suck at writing.
mikachuu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:03:29 on August 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I swear I remember "ejaculated" was used in one of the Harry Potter books instead of "said".
scrollbreak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:37:26 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
galorfed
Uberzwerg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:09:37 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When you (like me) google 'galorfed' you will only find this thread.
undeadbill ยท 75 points ยท Posted at 03:25:42 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget the part where she can only realize her true potential by getting into a relationship with one of the guys. Bleh.
alchemeron ยท 55 points ยท Posted at 03:01:41 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Wicker Basket" is an out-of-the-park name for this kind of protagonist.
hwaite ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 03:42:00 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Better than Thehero.
theDamnKid ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:08:25 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, that's the first time i've laughed at an SNL skit in a while.
Ryugar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:56:44 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That was hilarious.
kadivs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:37:35 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd totally watch that, looks hilarious
shibakevin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:52:40 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Zoomerang!
Kruug ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 05:32:34 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget about Hiro Protagonist from SnowCrash!
ketsugi ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 12:09:20 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What about Hiro from Heroes? That was way too on-the-nose.
brauchen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:51:44 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Totally should have won Sex Factor.
๐๏ธ adamtots ยท 257 points ยท Posted at 16:31:33 on August 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wicker has a younger sister named Easter, btw. Also I post a lot of comics to Instagram, if you're into that sort of thing.
macrocephalic ยท 90 points ยท Posted at 00:44:28 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is Easter creative and sensitive - which contrasts Wicker's need to be sensible and hold the family together?
misplaced_my_pants ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 04:42:25 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One is autistic and the other is a Manic Pixie Dream Girl.
AbigailLilac ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:19:10 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why not both?
off-and-on ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 17:10:13 on August 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is her last name Chair?
[deleted] ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 18:29:12 on August 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm warning you, don't make fun of the Basket sisters!
NicerAndMoreTruthful ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 19:44:48 on August 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Anjelica, Eliza... and Wicker
DudeGuyBor ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 19:46:19 on August 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did you hear about the time they got kidnapped? The investigating police called them the basket cases
knylok ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:25:35 on August 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There was a plan to capture one of the young girls in a mesh bag, but when they went for the Basket, they got nothing but net.
NotClever ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:48:13 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
An excellent trilogy name!
notapotamus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:30:34 on August 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
facepalm
Dusty_Old_Bones ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:32:41 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What's an Easter Chair?
thebbman ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:36:20 on August 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just followed you on Instagram. Your stuff is amazing.
rillip ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:03:35 on August 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am not. Update your blog man!
aryst0krat ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:43:19 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Have you got a proper website too, by any chance?
Sedirex_KR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:38:58 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey man, just wanna say I love your art even more than your jokes. That third panel would still make me laugh even all on its own with no caption.
Ryugar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:49:26 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You got some really good stuff, funny and well drawn.
alsothewalrus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:15:34 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, any chance you'll be returning to your blog? I've enjoyed seeing your work get such a large audience!
Lots42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:16:06 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
TIL you can post comics to Instagram.
I am old.
TheBallsackIsBack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:26:22 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's a handsome dude
royalstaircase ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 03:08:45 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is the bar this low? Sounds like I need to take a week off of school and write a YA novel.
SupaKoopa714 ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 05:42:24 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think the bar is so low at this point that you'd need a shovel to find it.
Fabsun ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 06:28:07 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or James Cameron!
magmosa ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:18:48 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
James Cameron does not do what James Cameron does because he's James Cameron.
bobosuda ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 10:21:57 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The bar really is that low. 50 Shades of Grey might not be a "true" YA novel, but it's in the same ballpark and it started out as shitty online fanfiction based on the characters of Twilight.
inshambles ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:57:05 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I guess it depends what you're looking at. If you're scoping out books that are running with the same theme, then that's what you'll find. YA is a huge genre. Dystopian is just the "in" thing right now, but there are plenty of YA novels that are very well done without getting sucked into a cash cow mire. See: Harry Potter, Redwall series, Perks of Being a Wallflower, The Fault in our Stars, Hatchet (one of my favorite books of all time), The Hobbit (actually written for young children).
cadrina ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 07:35:43 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also she is the most lethal assassin of the world. But in six books, a spin off and a sequel, about her daughter, she has not killed anyone.
HealingCare ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 09:02:29 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also she kills NO WOMEN AND CHILDREN
Lord_jyraksiz ยท 107 points ยท Posted at 17:33:01 on August 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Only thing worse than a fanfic mary sue is a canon mary sue.
pepperedmaplebacon ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 03:28:34 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So, when's the movie come out?
UzukiCheverie ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 05:05:56 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget it needs to be split into two parts!
leadwind ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 08:20:46 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trilogy where the last one is Part 1 and Part 2.
Lots42 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 08:14:01 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"I have the tactical skills to lead dozens in combat against a horrifically evil government...but I cannot recognize that I should put my personal desires aside for now."
Alarid ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 06:22:26 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Twilight was very progressive, making one of their love interests shirtless.
my_Favorite_post ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:13:27 on August 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shirtless AND ethnic!
Couspar ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 05:29:42 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
reminded me of this
BillDoberman ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 02:15:28 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wicker Basket slaid me
shizzy0 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 06:21:27 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
he laughed, dying.
TheRealCalypso ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:55:35 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
slew.
Citizen_Kong ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:26:49 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A Wickering Lights: The Basket Cases - one of my favorites!
scribbles33 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 00:21:18 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everyones Reaction
MorganWick ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:51:06 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't know Twilight was a dystopian YA novel.
TheRealCJ ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 10:46:21 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, the world has gone to shit.
cuddleskunk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:39:58 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But that's because of Twilight more than in Twilight...
DrScabhands ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:48:45 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently I haven't read many dystopian YA novels
PureAwkwardness ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 08:18:00 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There are decent ones out there that diverge from this formula quite a bit. But movie producers apparently think it is a safer bet, when looking for a new book to adapt, to go for the most thinly veneered clone possible.
REDDITATO_ ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 11:20:02 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
magmosa ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:19:30 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wasn't that the one that didn't? (Haven't touched that shit with a hot poker myself)
seestheirrelevant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:34:20 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It wasn't... terrible. I actually enjoyed reading it. It was a little bit better than Hunger Games, I thought.
scrollbreak ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:34:16 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Every parody : The wall eyed portrait
HuffsGoldStars ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:00:34 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eh...this doesn't really describe Gorgeous Young Fighty Vampires at all...
TLhikan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:54:03 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Our society is divided into four groups. One of these is the brave ones and the rest don't matter.
rct3fan24 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:19:32 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love that the two guys are literally copy+pasted
Im_Not_Daredevil ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:49:57 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Does this "chosen one" cliche originate from the "every child is special" movement and being overly concerned about kids' self esteem?
ThePsion5 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 09:10:03 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think it more likely originates from the desire to capitalize on the standard teenage angst about struggling to find an identity and dealing with social exclusion. That particular trope has been popular long before the special snowflake generation.
Elephant454 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:50:49 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My mommy says I'm chosen. :3
scrollbreak ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:30:51 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably more an instinct to locate the alpha individuals of a tribe and form an alliance with them or at least know about them for potential latter use.
People want to read about batman, rather than Alfred's second cousins roommates camping adventure.
ascii ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:59:21 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
These are a bit subjective, but by my tally this is fairly inaccurate, at least for the dystopian YA series I know of.
Hunger games: Silly name, chosen one, plain but gorgeous, two dudes: 4/6 tropes. Maze runner: 0/6 tropes. Divergent: Chosen one: 1/6 tropes. Harry Potter: Chosen one: 1/6 tropes.
If we widen to YA TV-series and less dystopian books, things stay roughly the same: Twilight: Silly name, plain but gorgeous, two dudes, vampire: 4/6 tropes. The 100: 0/6 tropes. Outlander: Two dudes: 1/6 tropes.
deyknow ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:09:25 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maze Runner has two girls.
titaniumjackal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:49:23 on August 13, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
HP is the chosen one, and the best in his school for defense against dark arts magic, which is essentially the combat of that world, so that's two right there.
ascii ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:19:52 on August 13, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Harry Potter isn't clumsy outside of combat, but he gets his ass handed to him and barely survives every time he uses it except when a bunch of other people are helping him, so I disagree HP lives up to the trope, but I guess reasonable people can disagree.
ArabRedditor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:29:54 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dude you have the coolest comic animation
sm0kew33d4lyphh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:00:47 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Winston Smith was 100% vampire. It all makes sense now.
RandomBartender ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:33:04 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Every teen oriented movie.
Teh-Piper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:31:59 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just like my favorite novel. The Diverging Hunger Maze
autoposting_system ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:48:26 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well done you
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:44:33 on August 13, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In the near future for some reason that will never be acknowledged, 99% of the population is extraordinarily white except for these few side characters who totally gonna live forever and not teach by Jennifer Lawrence an important lesson by dying.
VolcanicBakemeat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:12:00 on August 13, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
www.twitter.com/DystopianYA
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:03:04 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ok. You're so cool.
geodebug ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 20:48:58 on August 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Literary genres have archetypes
JumpJax ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 22:21:18 on August 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ok?
geodebug ยท 60 points ยท Posted at 00:47:00 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Better now that I've had a beer. Thanks for checking up on me!
Capps14e ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 01:43:59 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
lol this guy
geodebug ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:35:51 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think your comment turned things around for me on this thread. Went from zero to hero. Thanks!
MyMetalPony ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:16:44 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but we're too special to fall for the normal archetypes! Also we're all super smart and pretty and special but also really shy and self-deprecating.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:37:12 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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geodebug ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 06:40:42 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yeah? Well, found the guy who thinks ... on second thought don't care. Take it all!
greengo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:09:47 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd add "The Name of the Wind". The author actually includes grammar corrections into his story, like the main character at some point uses the wrong term, and this is a fantasy novel, but you better use proper English at all times.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:11:48 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mostly yes, but NoTW does actually manage some nice unreliable narrator trickery.
Citizen_Kong ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:25:40 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, it uses tropes of the hero journey, sure, but since it's about stories as such as well, I give it a pass.
Skrioman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:33:56 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not really dyatopian future.
emjaysea ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 02:22:15 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Um, not the ones I read. They aren't all Twilight, ya know.
Bucklar ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 03:15:05 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, some of them are Hunger Games.
emjaysea ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:31:15 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
STAHP!
smarwell ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:18:34 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shhhhh, you're gonna miss the karma train
emjaysea ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:31:41 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, I'm riding it in reverse! Wee!
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[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 01:14:36 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Buckysaurus ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:39:39 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Divergent, Hunger Games, and Mortal Instruments really fit into this comic. The only really large YA book/film that doesn't fit into this is Maze Runner.
Generic_On_Reddit ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:04:37 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't recall Katniss being particularly good at combat, or super clumsy. She just wasn't the super athlete the other contestants were.
She was just good at hunting, which happened to pay off in a game where you hunt other children until everyone else is dead.
However, everything else is pretty close spot on. I especially hated when they revealed her to be a vampire.
Edit: My keyboard apparently corrects Katniss to Latinas.
biggiepants ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:18:59 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She's socially clumsy.
deyknow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:12:43 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maze Runner has two chick's instead of two dudes. That's the only similarity though.
Scramswitch ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 01:33:55 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
except twilight wasn't with two white guys.... native american and white guy...
pi_over_3 ยท -34 points ยท Posted at 01:06:09 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Male power fantasies.
iHeartCandicePatton ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 03:13:49 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol yeah it's totally dudes reading this shit. Are you retarded?
pi_over_3 ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 04:00:03 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can you identify jokes?
I_Edit_Some_Pictures ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 04:15:06 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can you write them?
pi_over_3 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:15:00 on August 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I guess not.