I lost it. I thought the taunting was over and then he has his face literally pressed against the glass HAHAHAHA!

P E T T Y W I T H A P R I O R

Exactly, the contrast from how fucking ballistic Jimmy went on Howard over basically nothing vs. his absolute non-interaction with another lawyer who was being a COMPLETE dick was such a great way to establish just how out of it he was.

Yeah ok it was a blanket statement that wasn’t entirely accurate. My point is, most of the time things are there for a reason.

I don't think Nacho gets killed. If anything, Kim's little speech made Lalo realized that Nacho is the closest thing he has for an ally.

YEP. Lalo's change of plans isn't finding another port of entry. It's finding out exactly what Nacho has been up to.

He's just sidestepping his own assassination that would have happened at the meet spot. He realized he had a target on his head during Kim's speech.

This is my bet as well. You could see how the lights turned on in lalo's head, suddenly he realized there is something fishy going on, hidden right in front of his nose in plain sight.

It doesnt really matter what saul said or didnt say, Because lalo knows now, that someone was trying to get the money and he knows that neither saul or kim has anything to do with that.

If Nacho is dying then why did Saul think that Walt and Jesse were Nacho when they first kidnapped him in Breaking Bad?

Why would Nacho be in more danger after the speech? The writers already dangled that possibility, showing Nacho's uneasy look after Lalo changed up the plans. I don't think they're going to immediately go back to that well. Also, Kim's speech had two main messages... 1. Don't jump to conspiratorial conclusions. 2. You're obviously running out of people you can trust if you had to rely on Saul. And it's not like Lalo was trying to figure out who fucked him over, bouncing from suspect to suspect. He was simply trying to figure out if Saul was lying or telling the truth. I don't know... I just didn't pick up anything she said that would cast doubt on Nacho, or place him in more danger. As others have point out, if anything, it sounds like Lalo is taking Kim's advice and holding onto one of the few people he thinks he can trust.

I have a feeling nacho gonna live till the end of the show. Remember in breaking bad where jessie and walt kidnap saul and saul immediatley starts talking about how he's with ignacio or something.

Saul mentions nacho late in season 2 of breaking bad I don’t think we see him die this season

But Nacho can't be killed, as said by Saul in Breaking Bad he should be alive, am i missing anything?

Funkytown intensifies

Oh man, good catch on that line. I hadn't rewatched all of S4 in prep for S5, so I forgot it, but having gone back to rewatch that scene just now, you're right that it does seem like a possible piece of intentional foreshadowing.

OMG here is the scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awVhEg_zpJE its basically Lalo's first appearance.

It also points to Mike speech in the car with Saul. We're all on the same road from the choices we make. This is in direct correlation to Mike killing Verner. So the no half-measure is what being driven here. Until they meet Walter in BrBa.

I think it can be a thing where gus logically learns his lesson, but if something gets him angry enough he reverts to his more basal instincts which are clearly more violent.

lol, true

Haha I would be surprised to see such a rosy ending for Mr. Varga's storyline in such a grim show.

My current working theory is that Nacho manages to engineer a way out for him and his father that essentially ends up with the two of them going into hiding from both Gus and the Cartel, and that Gus' takeaway from this is that Nacho would have been of more use to him if he hadn't been in fear of his father's life - but I'm also very prepared for that to be proven wrong.

How do you think things will get to that point? The writers of this show are great at making unexpected things happen believably so I guess anything's possible, but to me that seems like a big leap from where things currently stand with Gus viewing Nacho as an asset and Mike demonstrating a sympathy for Nacho's position.

Walt was "in the game" though. Nacho's father is not.

He was willing to execute Walter because Walter was an entitled asshole.

Mike never liked Walt though.

Nacho only bit, unknowingly, Gus's hand once when he tried to get Hector killed

I think he's referring to Nacho first betraying his own father by joining the cartel, then betraying the cartel. Here, Nacho is constantly biting the hands that have fed him.

Which really matches how he treated walt

on a recent insider podcast giancarlo was on and he talked about this gus not quite being the gus we see in BB yet, his growth is going to be so exciting to watch

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He was definitely going to kill Hank though

And in truth, it's not an effective motivator in the long term, but it can work in the short term. Given that Walt had a terminal condition, long term planning and motivations just weren't going to be effective for him. Which, hey, Walt's fatal flaw is a lack of capacity to think long-term anyway.

He didn't even say that line to Walt he said it to Mike

He also never used fear to motivate someone to invest in him...that's what he was talking about

Although Walt floated this idea to Jesse for his own benefit at the time, I don't believe this is why Gus killed Victor. At most it seems like Victor would have got a bollocking for using the lab when he shouldn't have been.

Far bigger reason was that Victor was seen at the scene of Gale's murder, which after hearing from Victor, Mike reported to Gus. Gus then calculated that he couldn't risk having Victor be arrested then flipping on Gus, so Gus had no choice but to kill him. Gus doing so in front of Walt was just a bonus for him.

This is also why Victor was so determined to prove he could run the lab himself: he was panicking.

Exactly — the way Gus murdered Victor was the definition of cold. He showed zero emotion, just a sense of “this had to be done so I did it.” It sent a message to Walt, no one is beyond reproach. I will kill someone high up in my chain, someone I rely on for many things, if they step out of line.

It was a way to communicate the following to Walt: 1) don’t talk, don’t do anything stupid to get caught. Victor was ID’d by a witness, so Gus killed him. A warning to Walt: don’t do anything stupid, don’t attract attention to yourself, I will kill you if you bring any heat on me. 2) Gus didn’t tell Victor to cook, Victor did it anyway, so Gus killed him. A warning to Walt: you do what I tell you, you stay in your lane. I call the shots. 3) Victor was tasked with protecting Gus’ people, and to make what Gus wants to happen, happen, and prevent from happening anything Gus doesn’t want to happen. In failing to prevent the murder of Gale, a trusted longtime associate of Gus’, thus failing his task. A warning to Walt: you are to complete the task assigned to you, or else.

None of that is about fear, it’s about communication. That actions will have consequences, so Walt might want to think very hard about what actions he chooses to take that might in any way affect Gus and his operation. From Gus’ perspective, killing Victor in this way in front of Walt, was a pragmatic and logical (for Gus goals and desires) action. It very simply communicated to Walt that he can and will be killed if any of his actions affect Gus in a similar way as Victor’s had. Don’t get identified. Do what you’re told, and no more. Don’t even think about defying me.

It could be taken as something he was reminding Mike of that he once echoed to him.

It was Mike, in the car talking about Walt I think!

Who was this character in BB? Jesse?

Jesse did pretty good putting Mike's teachings to use in El Camino, I'll say.

I mean of all of Mike's "students" he's still alive

Yea, lots of people are hating Walt for being an asshole, while it's true in a way he could've gotten away with so much more if it wasn't for his sense of love to Jessee. Imo all the people Walt destroyed kinda deserved it as they were all in the "game", including the scientist.

Walt took no half measures to heart. He literally did not leave anything to chance. He meticulously took down his rivals and built and empire of meth.

"He followed it well, but he didn't follow it enough."

Looks like he executed Mike's advice well, except that he didn't lol.

Nope, his actions were a half measure

Or when he threatened Walt's family. Fear sure motivated Walt all right, heh

Is this a Community reference, or is that too far fetched?

This is why the scene where Mike scolds Kaylee really shook me, it was weird seeing him break his codes like that.

The very first scene of El Camino

Meh. Jesse was always very much influenced by the people around him, and he particularly respected Mike.

"I don't reckon fear to be no great motivationer"

I was quoting the other comment. Not my fault.

Charlie hustle**

Howard waiting for a reply to his job offer is the BCS version of Huell waiting in the safehouse.

Lalo stops talking, brings his hand up to his neck, and peels back a mask revealing Howard.

"Jimmy, have you considered that offer yet?"

I'm still curious as to how far Howard would allow Jimmy's scams to go. Something tells me Howard was open to some extent of what Jimmy is capable of.

"You considered that offer yet, Charlie Hustle?"

"Tell me again"

LMAO THIS IS THE BEST

If Mike took the shot and the bullet nicked Saul:

"Jimmy, I'm sorry you're in pain."

"do you wanna develop an app?"

Found this comment on a rewatch 2 years later, oh my god.

Weird to read this comment after what happened in 607...

Reading this after watching the last season is pretty crazy

This aged very well

someone do a paint edit and post 🙏

Front page post, ship it.

Jimmy I just saw you talking to a minority. I hope you are still considering our offer.

namaste

This is even better than Howard's meme

Somebody with mad photoshop skill please do that and post it here!!

For the rug rat!

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Howard sticks his head out of the well after Jimmy is dropped off

It's not all about money my guy. If you think Saul does all that for the money you're mistaken

sweating through the binoculars has me ugly laughing

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We literally see Mike still driving when he's on the phone to Saul though?

And, you know Jimmy will be okay, yet you're still tense!

Lalo is someone straight out of an Elmore Leonard novel, he's incredible.

I loved when Jimmy opens his apartment door and Lalo is standing in the hallway. "hey guys!"

In Asia I think it's uploaded immediately too

Can’t tell who’s hotter!

Lol its about the acting though not whether a character is detestable. Gus fring is detestable but you wouldn’t suggest Giancarlo esposito potentially not win an award because of that. Some solid performances to go around this year. Pumped to see how award season goes

Sometimes the metaphor is dead on literal.

Saul's story doesn't hold water.

You would make an excellent high school English teacher.

both objects were yellow, which signify Saul's internal struggle between the primary forces

That was a great pun. Tell me again. I want to hear it a second time

Holy shit

Dayum this is deep

I hate you lol

Kim found the mug with the bullethole, so she knows that unless Saul went back to his car for it after some vandals shot it, he's lying.

Lalo isn't fooled

Kim knows but didn't pester Saul about it because she knew he was going through shock symptoms. So she is letting it be for the time being.

Also, how good was Bob Odenkirk's acting this episode. Wow, he was fantastic.

I don’t think Kim fooled Lalo, but made him realise that he has few enough assets north of the border, and taking out a lawyer who he still has a strong amount of control over won’t fix their business

why? Jimmy is the link to whomever is fucking with Lalo, and Jimmy is obviously as scared of them as he is of Lalo, otherwise he wouldn't have lied about the car. Jimmy is effectively Lalo's Nacho now.

Lucky I was carrying this bible close to my chest, huh?

I was thinking he was telling it differently so it wouldn’t sound rehearsed.

Wasn't really the point here. Lalo wasn't looking for inconsistencies, he was threatening him with a gun and waiting for him to tell the actual story.

Other people are saying a good way to tell someone is lying is if they keep telling the same exact story.

Here's Kim, extending the fullest, most understanding love, reaching out and recognizing this guy might have PTSD and needs to be handled in a certain way, the greatest support one could possibly hope to have after a traumatic incident, and he just buries it, because he can't accept it for himself. It is maddening .

Edit: alright, I get that Saul was changing his mind about informing Kim to keep her out of the game, and protect her. I agree, so thank you for the comments. When I initially wrote this, I had been contemplating that perhaps Jimmy felt he was over his head with Saul, that perhaps the world Saul would exist in, Jimmy is realizing, is not for him. But the protecting Kim makes greater sense.

It sounded so empty too. Like it was the type of joke he’d usually make but just devoid of any life. Great acting.

Didn’t seem like a joke to me

Phenomenal acting from both actors. Masterclass.

Jimmy is definitely at a low point right now. Curious to see how he erupts out of this to become his ultimate Saul.

Dude, I was not being super-serious.

But honestly, I'm not sure you get why I said it anyway. Even if he was the lowest scum on Earth (and arguably he is) what's sad about Party Hat Hector is that what happened to him will eventually happen to all of us. No one escapes the decay of age.

Even dumb, crazy, incompetent people don't deserve to be crippled and humiliated.

I love you and your reference, it was streets ahead

I think it is because he is still recovering, because remember in Breaking Bad, he is in a little house and being taken care of there.

A cup that doesn’t fit but he still carries it around.

what was most important, a gift from her

That's probably why Kim is not mad and stands by him.

oh shit, I didn’t connect the two. I was too busy screaming at Kim in my head

Oh, good catch!

Jimmy really married up

At first I thought you meant Marco Salamanca and was both confused and amused

my problem is i'm talking to a couple of buttholes

And it's so ironic and hypocritical of Saul to tell her that quitting a great job is a mistake, when it's exactly what he's done several times

And Kim nailing it so well Jimmy doesn’t bring himself to jump in, signal she’s overplaying her hand, or try to pull her back.

Kevin, would you like to take a shower with me?

Lmaoo that line and Raymond’s delivery are hilarious in hindsight

Kim says: GET YOUR SHIT TOGETHER

Damn man! Look at that! Look! 👊

LOL. Thanks, I needed that today

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Kim is everything I wanted to be as a little girl when I dreamed of being a public defender someday. I can't even tell you how much I love Kim.

ETA: As a woman too, I have to say bravo to Vince and crew for creating such a strong female character on this amazing show.

Kim is a complete and utter fantasy. She is literally the perfect woman. Selfless, caring, understanding, successful, I could go on and on. I think everyone wants to marry her.

Even better because she didn’t know that Mike was nearby with his sniper rifle. She was taking a gamble that telling off this cartel guy would work. Amazing bravery.

Yep. Fight or Flight mode.

thing is, I don't think Jimmy was projecting. For her to quit her job and go pro-bono means that she's jumping into the game. Hence the "road" speech. She endorsed the cartel business by leaving her source of income.

I think it's more of a damage control thing from Jimmy's perspective. He fucked up big time by being the bagman - any fallouts from it he is willing to take it on the chin, desiring to undo all of it, at all costs to himself. As soon as he learns that Kim quitting is a side effect of his fuckup too, he gets agitated. He hates to see his fuckup costing Kim and wants to minimize the overall damage by trying to change her mind.

Plus Chuck's death was largely a result of Kim getting Mesa Verde and how it happened. I think Kim giving up Mesa Verde brought some of the guilt that Jimmy felt over Chuck's death back to the surface.

Agreed, first I was like "ok that's Lalo trying to meet with him" second ring "oh fuck he's there" third ring (then shows Mike speeding) "oh fuck Kim is gonna die!" Lastly, Kim stepping back, "oh fuck don't shoot her right there and then!!!"

Hitchcock writing level

“Get your shit together”

"ohhhh. Crap, good point."

I don’t think she gets killed either. I was telling my boyfriend last night while we were watching it that I think m she goes into witness protection.

I know Saul is selfish and doesn’t put her wants or needs first and lies right to her face, but I feel like if she died and we know that he still goes on to be Saul in BB that would be super dark. Yes he’s a scumbag but I don’t see him beingTHAT dark. Not when it comes to Kim.

I think there might be a darker streak in Kim that we've only seen hints of. When Jimmy was planning their future law firm, she shut that down by approaching S&C - and told him that they approached her. She willingly participates in Jimmy's shady dealings, gets a thrill from it, but then immediately steps back when he wants to go further. We've already seen she didn't have the best home life and has obviously worked her ass off to get where she's at now. She's focused and dedicated, where Jimmy is fast and loose. Quitting S&C might be her first step onto the bad choice road. Perhaps Jimmy embracing the Just Make Money motto pushes her too far and she stops putting up boundaries? She may start to prefer the thrill and danger of high stakes criminal law over the simple joy of pro bono work. And perhaps Jimmy's lies harden her and push her off the deep end.

If Kim does go dark side, she'd be the freaking Darth Vader of lawyers.

Dude I hope this doesn’t mean what I think it does Jesus I haven’t watched the new season yet

Don’t know the Ozark reference yet, but “Helen, Back” is fine spinoff fodder

Lol

Steps out of. You were close

Yeah! I noticed that too!!!

That's probably part of it, but she also was emotional over that letter and photo she framed of a pro bono case she worked on. I think Kim is really really trying to do good in the world despite her tendency to get off on being deceitful and pulling schemes with Jimmy.

Plus she hates working on Mesa Verde as it's the antithesis of why she got into law in the first place.

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Aah, I knew it would have some significance.

Yep, he's got to test Nacho's loyalty especially since he's next in line to run their operation once he leaves. Otherwise they'll have to wait 11 months til Tuco gets out to start back up and by then Gus' operation may be too air tight to compromise.

Omg he's gonna make Nacho do some really intense cartel torture stuff, isn't he?

I'm not sure about that, he tells Saul before the trip why he doesn't want to send Nacho - he effectively thinks $7m is more money than Nacho would ever be likely to earn working for the cartel and he'd take the money and run, leaving Lalo stuck in prison with nobody competent in Albuquerque to run things.

If you remember before Saul changes his mind, Lalo basically signals to him that he can get someone else to pick up the money if Saul refuses.

Yeah. I think Nacho got the same feeling. He was already worried when Lalo found the car, but that last shot of his face looking to the side, he knows something is coming. He knows he might get stuck in Mexico.

He’s on edge like the rest of us (seriously though, this episode had me holding onto my plush puppy)

I think he will start trusting Nacho from now in.He didn't trust him enough get money from his cousins.

But he said in this episode that he didn't trust Nacho. When Jimmy was trying to get out of fetching the cash, before Saul asked for a cut.

He’s not gonna have to much time left because he’s gonna get whacked down there in Mexico

Nothing specifically about Nacho, just that Lalo clearly doesn’t trust anyone in his camp and that he needs to figure it out.

He knows something is up. Just remember the way Gus broke it down in this vary episode. Nacho worked with Tuco and now he's in jail, worked for Hector and who's in a retirement home and now he worked with Lalo who is being forced to flee ABQ. The reason why Kim's argument works is because she offers him perspective that Lalo has been missing. He can't trust anyone. I'm not saying he's on Nacho as a double agent but he has to be suspicious at least.

Remember when Jimmy asked Lalo why Nacho couldn’t pick up the money? ‘7 million a smart guy like that can get dumb real fast’
Basically exactly what Kim said.

Nacho never knew about the drop location. There is zero reason for lalo not to trust nacho. He knows someone in Mexico wants him dead that’s why he’s going with nacho now and not his cousins. He wants to low key sneak into Mexico and snoop around and find the culprit. How can anyone think lalo has anything against nacho?