Right, fair play to Edge, they actually got it right nearly at the start. It's a shame extensions took too long to come but now Edge is my daily browser on my laptop. It's way more power efficient than Firefox was, touch controls are fucking fantastic, and the new feature for setting tabs aside is great when I'm working on different versions of our internal website hosted in VMs. I only have three downsides with Edge:
You can drag tabs into their own window by pulling them away from the task bar, but Edge is too eager to do so, so sometimes you accidentally get a new window
Can't handle huge pages. Our AppVeyor CI build scripts have huge logs and it locks Edge up. Separate content processes kinda help here but it's not perfect and, even though a crashed tab doesn't prevent you from using the rest of your tabs, it sometimes won't close, and pins your CPU to 100%
Some little things like Ctrl-V'ing an image into a Facebook messenger chat window don't quite work, and you can't right-click images to open them in new tabs, and some other little UX issues
Other than that I've entirely stopped using Firefox.
Need Windows Update for extensions (Windows Store requires it). I've disabled WU because it updates when I need to use it, and you can't choose what you install. Fucking garbage.
Updates come out the second Tuesday of the month. Best practice is to have the most recent patches. If you don't have creators update, you're pretty far behind
Luckzzz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:51:54 on September 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Still "Edge" is the loser U2's guitarrist.. Look likes "Edge" sucks in all matters.. (Ok, the browser is fast but it doesn't have a lot of extensions yet.. Just useful in Win10 tablets - for the improved touch)
I'm back to Firefox, for some reason chrome just regularly shits the bed even with just a few tabs open on my system.
VegeKale ยท 258 points ยท Posted at 07:32:27 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Firefox and Chrome both won't work properly on my laptop, so I had to use Edge for a while. It was awful by comparison. I'm having good luck with Opera now though.
Oh, Opera, like an ex-girlfriend from the distant past, that you dated for a long time and loved so so very dearly, until she developed a fanatical obsession in massively multiplayer online bingo, and did nothing but play that all day and night, never spoke to you or listened to you or did anything else. What happened to the one I loved, where is she now? Nothing remains of her but an occasional vestige of a hint of a shadow you might catch in her expression, on those rare occasions when you nostalgically browse the MMO Bingo championships website.
Edit: omg gilded, I never thought this day would come!
He survived but she never really did. Her obsession and addiction consumed her to the point where her family decided to stage an intervention. It didn't work, but after spending more and more time with her sister, he found a certain comfort in her that he hadn't experienced in some time.
They soon began an affair, which led to a relationship when he finally left his ex, which eventually led to a marriage between the two.
I got a couple sentences in before I checked the username and was surprised when it wasn't one of the usual suspects.
Yahlunna ยท 88 points ยท Posted at 09:03:53 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Give Vivaldi a try, its the Old Opera team and its focused on daily internet users -tags, personal design and macrokeys-. A really good chromium based nav if you wanna give it a try.
Eh they pioneered the ICO which is a really shady way of raising capital. Plus its built on Electron so say goodbye to your battery life.
re1jo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:25:14 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
On March 24, 2014, Eich was promoted to CEO of Mozilla Corporation.[12] Gary Kovacs, John Lilly and Ellen Siminoff resigned from the Mozilla board after the appointment,[13] some anonymously expressing disagreements with Eich's strategy and their desire for a CEO with experience in the mobile industry.[14][15] Some employees of Mozilla tweeted calls for his resignation, with reference to his donation of $1,000 to California Proposition 8, which banned same-sex marriage in California[16][17] before being struck down in 2013. Eich stood by his decision to fund the campaign, but wrote on his blog that he was sorry for โcausing painโ and pledged to promote equality at Mozilla.
Yeah, what a stand up guy, no less!
Ibrey ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:04:03 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just think, where would gay rights be now if Brendan Eich hadn't been deprived of his livelihood for the political views he held in 2008.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:39:38 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh it's bad to "deprive someone their livelihood"? How about depriving them fair and equitable treatment under the law for the person they love?
It's really not that complicated, if you are a public face of an organization you have to represent the organization. Being an anti-gay bigot is pretty antithetical to Mozilla's stance on openness and inclusivity.
If he cared about the position so much he could have apologized and put on a face that jived with the company mission. But maintaining the integrity of his anti-gay views was more important to him so he chose that. And Mozilla decided they couldn't have their whole mission be about openness on the web and society while at the same time being led by a bigot.
I don't agree with many policies and stances of banking but when I worked for a bank I wouldn't have said anything that would be damaging to the organization despite it maybe being my personal view.
Ibrey ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:44:56 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh nooooo, in 2008 he took the same position on gay marriage as 52% of California voters, with 79% turnout. What a horrible, nasty, wicked anti-gay bigot. Didn't he know that love is love #NoH8? 52% of Californians certainly deserve to be punished with unemployment.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:49:38 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes if you give $1000 to an anti-gay campaign and still stand by your choice you're a bigot.
Ibrey ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:10:14 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, in that case, then he ought not be allowed to go about in public without wearing a great scarlet "B".
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:15:15 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No you're right, we can't have people being treated differently simply because they're actively trying to oppress the rights of other people. We should allow him to break up some gay marriages to make up for his horrible mistreatment.
cd2220 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:32:57 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The other 58 percent of California voters weren't representing a large company. He stood by a very controversial opinion as the face of a company. Any rep worth their salt knows you don't fucking do that without expecting consequences. His views reflect on all of the brands. It's how things are.
He made that choice of his own volition. Which is fine, he has that right. Mozilla also had the right to let him go.
You way over exaggerating this. Choosing not to support his endeavors because you have a strong disagreement with him is totally acceptable, and informing others of that is fine too. What are you gonna say next, that I'm suggesting giving anto gay marriage supporters yellow armbands?
Ibrey ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:34:22 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As the face of the company, was he widely known for this donation he made in 2008 prior to the campaign to fire him?
jarkum ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:21:44 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everytime this gets posted when someone even mentions Brave. Weird.
re1jo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:33:18 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes I can confirm this. I love Vivaldi but I cannot use it because it eats resources too much. Though I would love to make it my primary browser if it becomes more light and responsive.
Your comment made me nostalgic. I remember using Opera as my primary browser between ~2001 and 2006. Not sure what really happened that I stopped using it, it's kinda weird. I still long for those amazing mouse gestures.
NJJH ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:32:53 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is most strikingly accurate description of the Opera browser. I don't know why, but holy shit you hit many nails upon many heads here.
Thats oddly specific. Almost like it actually happened to you
Patriark ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:05:53 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I still date her. She's pretty good in bed
crashdoc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:33:01 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
...and grew an extra...ummm...feature... Like a... An extra breast, yeah, that'll do! That was just terrifically awesome in concept, perhaps poorly executed, but the future possibilities made you wish you had three hands and shit! But then she had it removed, you were sad to see it go but were never really certain how to fully capitalise on it but the potential for true awesome was there! Since then you kinda lost touch for a while...
I've also recently become a fan of Opera again. It has a free VPN, Messengers like Whatsapp built in, built in ad-blocking and it has a video pop out feature which is awesome if you want to browse other sites but still have your Youtube open in the corner.
All that and it still seems to run faster than Chrome does.
[deleted] ยท 190 points ยท Posted at 07:44:12 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 243 points ยท Posted at 07:55:49 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you cared about privacy, you wouldn't be using chrome.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 07:59:58 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)*
Chrome's privacy is manageable, but a free Chinese VPN is thousands of times riskier and full unconfirmable spying. Apples and oranges.
I know it's a meme to say "if you care about privacy you must be a stupid idiot because you use the google and the facebook", every time someone brings up a legitimate privacy concern, but you're not helping and you really don't understand the niches of data security.
Chrome isn't secretly recording all the data going from your computer to the server, it does have stuff like URL guessing which sends URLs you type to their server, but that's observable and you can disable it, you can also observe any other data being sent where you don't want it.
When you route all your data through a VPN, it becomes a black box, you're sending all your data to one place, at which point they can do anything they want with it. You can't observe where they're sending it to. This is why it's vital you have to fully trust your VPN to use it.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 12:55:20 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Im not saying to use opera either, but the vpn is completely optional and opt in. You are right though, its not what you would use for privacy. Chromes privacy is about as manageable as windows 10 updates, even after disabling all the privacy settings, it still phones home and is still heavily integrated into googles services - Google makes its money from datamining and advertising.
I know it's a meme to say "if you care about privacy you must be a stupid idiot because you use the google and the facebook", every time someone brings up a legitimate privacy concern, but you're not helping and you really don't understand the niches of data security.
Im sorry what? Google and Facebook are singlehandedly the biggest corporate invasions of privacy out there. Anyone who seriously does care and wants privacy does not, and definetly should not, use either of those wherever possible, and there are equivalent or better alternatives to most if not all of what they offer.
I'm not saying Google and Facebook aren't invasive as heck, but I'm really annoyed at people instantly replying with the implied, "everything is pointless, resistance is futile, stop trying to do anything because Facebook and Google exist".
Maybe that's not what you were trying to say, but it seems to be the common response on Reddit to dismiss privacy concerns about anything. It's used against Facebook, "what about what Google are doing?", as well as Google, "what about what Facebook are doing?"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:41:41 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
that's not im trying to do at all. Im trying to say to stop using Google and facebook, once you do it, its actually not that hard.
It's much harder than you think to opt out entirely of those services. Even if you've never had an account on Facebook, it likely has an incredible amount of data stored on you, same goes with Google.
In computer privacy and security, your data is never going to be 100% secure, it's better to learn about and beware of all the major dangers, and be aware of the extent of the risk you're taking at any time, which will nearly always be more than zero. You have to decide on what data you value the privacy of and what data you don't mind giving up
I feel you. I use chrome about 80% of the time because I admit that I don't mind giving up my browsing privacy for some of the convenience I get with Chrome. Especially when I'm at work and everything I do is work-related, anyways. When I really want privacy, I'll use TOR and not be on Windows.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:31:27 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's literally what Google does. They build a profile tied to your ip. It's a double edged sword.
That's a different issue to chrome, where a VPN can assist (although there are ways to narrow down who's accessing your server). VPNs are great security tools if you can trust them.
You should definitely be aware of the privacy and security concerns of various internet services and softwares, but don't let one concern cancel out another.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 09:11:30 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right at the moment the browser market is a bit weird.
If you're using stable releases and you don't need any unsupported plugins edge is probably competitive with chrome and both beat Firefox. Edge has less support for cutting edge features, but honestly anything that's just in chrome is pretty useless anyway.
If you're using stable and need plugins it's chrome.
If you're out on the bleeding edge Firefox nightly shits all over canary.
emit_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:55:12 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What is recommended instead then?
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 11:32:13 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)*
Not using the Internet.
More seriously, I guess Firefox or Chromium would be alright? Plugins help too, an ad-blocker is a must-have and there are some other privacy-related ones. So do VPNs.
Or tor-browser with JS disabled if you don't mind an UI from the 90s that you waited for 5+ seconds to load.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 11:47:35 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Serious question: why would a god such as myself use a vpn or care about security? I do not do anything wrong so I shouldn't be worried.
How would you feel if you didn't get a certain job because your boss bought your browsing history from your ISP and decided he doesn't like your political view or anime preference?
Micalas ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 12:46:14 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If they don't like Serial Experiments Lain, I don't want to work for them anyway.
Show me where I can buy personal information. I'll believe it when I see it.
Tacitus_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:00:12 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can buy anonymized browsing information. So no one can buy *your* information, but if there are enough breadcrumbs, the connection can be made. For example a twitter account that has your real name on it.
Tacitus_ ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:17:33 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To answer this question, Eckert had her colleague delete one browser plugin every hour until he disappeared from the live data. On the seventh plugin, he disappeared. This suggested that the plugin collecting and selling his browser data was, ironically enough, called Web of Trust, which offers "free tools for safe search and web browsing."
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:47:47 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How would you feel if you didn't get a certain job because your boss bought your browsing history from your ISP and decided he doesn't like your political view or anime preference?
Happened to me before.
I'd like to think that in 2017, atleast in Europe, this shit is forbidden.
Apkoha ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:01 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i'm fine with that. I don't want to work with or for any prudes and weebs anyway.
1mikeg ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:57:30 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is a good question and it really does come down to how much of your personal information and habits you feel comfortable sharing with advertisers and potential government agencies.
Ad blockers are pretty much there for user convenience. They don't do anything for protecting your private data, just from protecting your eyes and brain from having to see ads.
A VPN is good if you're doing things on the internet you might not want a company or a government agency to track to back to you. A VPN simply takes your public facing IP address that's issued by your service provider and replaces it with a new public facing IP address that belongs to the VPN service.
The idea here is that if a company wants to know who was browsing their website (or downloading their movie) from IP 177.55.111.99, that IP address would lead them back to the VPN provider and not your service provider. The VPN provider then should respond, "Gee, we don't know who we issued that IP to. We completely anonymize all our outward facing IPs and we couldn't even begin to tell you who we issued that too. Sorry." There's some controversy ongoing now if VPNs are actually doing this or not. Especially free VPNs.
Everything else security wise basically boils down to you not doing stupid shit. Don't install an executable you don't trust. Don't install browser extensions you don't trust (or not at all, if we want to be really honest). Don't give your private information to websites you don't trust (or not at all, if you want to be truly secure).
Probably the most important thing to know is that security doesn't really matter on the user level because it's the companies you give your information to that are ultimately unsecured and will always be the weak point in the security equation simply because of their size and the amount of data they steward. Just keep in the back of your mind that the data you put into the internet in any capacity will ultimately be breached, so monitor your personal details as closely as possible and if you notice anything that indicates your data might be compromised, take action ASAP.
The more users using them the harder it is to track the data. Imagine 5 people running through a hallway, sure you might miss someone but for the most part you'll be able to track them. Now imagine 300 people running through the same hallway, there's no way in hell you'll be able to single out one specific user.
So while you might not need the privacy, you're protecting and ensuring the privacy of others.
1mikeg ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 12:35:23 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That doesn't sound right, at all.
A VPN doesn't really do anything to hide your browsing data from advertisers. You still leave cookies, you still leave a browsing history, and companies as a whole still get an idea of what's generating traffic and views. The VPN just obscures who you are. It obfuscates your IP address, so the advertiser doesn't see correct location data of where the people are from who are looking at their whatever.
The primary purpose of a VPN is that if you're doing something on the internet, an agency or company can't subpoena your provider for your personal details by an IP address because they don't see your actual IP address. They see the IP issued by the VPN.
The VPN issues you a specific IP that could be used to ultimately identify you through back tracking, but the agreement you enter into with a VPN is that they won't surrender your information if they are approached with said request.
VPN does nothing to obfuscate your actual browsing habits, it just puts a mask between your browsing habits and you.
Yes, but agencies can track vpn traffic quite easily. It makes it harder to track that traffic if there are more spoofed addresses. Forget advertisers, I'm speaking on law enforcement.
1mikeg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:21:42 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It makes it harder to track that traffic if there are more spoofed addresses.
No it doesn't. The VPN is issuing a unique IP address to each user using the service, that's the basis of how the internet works.
The security a VPN gives you is that IP goes back to the VPN provider and not your service provider. The VPN tells the government agency, "Sorry, we issue completely anonymous IP addresses to all our users. If we could tell you, we would but since we don't even have that info we can't." There's a huge controversy going on right now of how committed free VPNs are to that story because, with enough time, your ISP issued IP could absolutely be tied to the "anonymous" IP issued by the VPN (because nothing is actually anonymous, it's all based on an algorithm).
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:19:24 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, but what data are they stealing?
What I mean is, if I didn't do anything legally/morally wrong, why should I be worried from the government spying on me? Or is it because of hackers?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:32:10 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The best browsers for not being spied on by your browser are probably waterfox and pale moon. If you want to take it a step further, you can use GNU Icecat, which also blocks elements of websites that track you. I would also highly recommend using alternatives to Google products, and installing the noscript extension
Oh, I think we could meet somewhere in the middle and say both countries are prostate cancer -- bad, but theoretically treatable.
For example, the government gets a report for every financial transaction a citizen does over $10,000. If you knowingly change your behavior to make sure every transaction you perform is below that amount, and the government notices, you can be arrested for evading surveillance -- even if what you're doing with the money isn't illegal.
It's called structuring. It's how they pinched Dennis Hastert when he needed to be arrested, but charging him with his actual crimes would shine a bad light on the American government.
I had the same concern so I looked into it myself and found out that even though Opera is now Chinese they use VPN services from a company called SurfEasy which is Canadian.
For what it's worth I think Opera is doing a lot of great things to get some market share back and providing a VPN with malicious intent would do them no favours.
I miss old Opera unlike any other. RSS Feeds, Email, Torrenting... Everything you need all built into the browser itself, and not just integrated, but integrated well.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:34:42 on August 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I stuck it out on 12 until sites refused to load on it. I miss that browser.
hey man I'm canadian and what we do for fun is watch what you guys are doing on the internet.
in all seriousness, I used to have a hacked cable modem for half a decade and had a router dedicated to simply serving free wifi up for my neighbours, but it logged google searches, and I'd sit down once in a while with friends and just read this shit (it was anonymous, well, just IP basaed but I had no clue or cared to know which neighbour belonged to which IP).
"how do I know what I look like" is the only one I remember, but man, there were some damned hilarious ones.
honestly china isn't a bad choice if you're not a chinese resident. Wouldn't put credit card info on it, but most of the shit you do they're not going to care about.
This was more a compression server thingy, IIRC, that functioned like a VPN. I wouldn't recommend actually trusting it for security, though! And this is going back a couple of years. It's handy here in the UK, though, where the large mobile networks tend to block anything vaguely juicy. You're supposed to be able to opt out, but it's a pain in the arse and often doesn't work. I actually did this, went into the 3 network shop with my passport as proof of age and complained that my phone couldn't access 'adult' material - because they count on people being too embarrassed to do this. A few months later, it was blocked again.
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'Categories blocked across the major ISPs include:ย Dating,ย Drugs,ย Alcoholย andย Tobacco,ย File sharing,ย Gambling,ย Games,ย Pornography,ย Nudity,ย Social networking,ย Suicideย andย Self-harm,ย Weaponsย andย violence,ย Obscenity, Criminal Skills,ย Hate,ย Media Streaming,ย Fashionย andย Beauty,ย Gore,ย Cyberbullying,ย Hackingย andย Web-blockingย circumventionย tools'
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 09:19:11 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would honestly much rather a Chinese company had all my info than one from my own country
qtx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:26:47 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First of all it's not a VPN, it's a web proxy.
Secondly, I rather have some foreign country have my web history than my local government. China can't do shit to me, my local government could (if of course I did illegal things online, which of course I don't..).
ErickFTG ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:35:00 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It says to be based on Canada.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:05:26 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a subsidiary of the Chinese parent company.
pfzt ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:08:41 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
well, i prefer the chinese having my data rather than the americans.
jrf_1973 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 08:21:26 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah but back in the day when Opera was slim lean and trim, just a no frills browser that followed the w3 guidelines... my god it was fast. "What's a memory leak?"
benryves ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 11:04:48 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We must have used different versions of Opera, for me the main selling point was that it was a fully-featured browser out of the box with all of the frills you could ever want. It was still miraculously a fraction of the download size of other browsers and considerably faster, though.
Unfortunately they then turned it into yet another Chromium-based browser and removed all of the features that made it worth using so I switched to Firefox plus a ton of extensions.
SunTzu- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:22:18 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's talking early early Opera, i.e. the reason Opera ever got famous. This was back before Mozilla if I remember correctly (which then got famous for including everything and the kitchen sink).
Does opera still have the VPN? You mean, on Windows?
I used to use opera mini on android, then they fixed it up with updates and it seems to no longer have the compressing thingy that works like a VPN, so I quit a while ago.
Yes it does, you can find the VPN in settings>privacy & security.
Opera Turbo (the compressing thingy) is still there on Windows and should be there on android with Opera mini since they advertise that feature. For Windows Just enable advanced settings and then you'll find it under the browser settings right at the bottom.
Some will say it isn't because Opera is Chinese owned but I think that's unfair, Chinese tech companies have come a long way. They haven't proven themselves to be untrustworthy to my knowledge.
To be fair, if ff and chrome didn't run, and edge did.. was edge really awful by comparison?
VegeKale ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:42:06 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. It actually was. It's functionality was so low as to be equivalent to having to restart my browser every 30 minutes. I think I spent more time using edge's inferior user interface than I lost to crashes and freezes on the others.
I mean I primarily use chrome on windows given the option and never really have problems other than it being a ram hog.
That being said, I've grown platform agnostic over the years. Mac, PC, Linux? Who cares? FF, Chrome, Safari, Edge? It isn't 1998 anymore when all that crap really mattered.
I was a dedicated opera user for a good while but their casual dismissal of power users in the period of time after they switched to blink has never really sat well with me. After they were acquired by a chinese company I switched to something else.
I love Opera, I haven't used Firefox since I was a kid, but I can't stand chrome. Not to mention Opera just streamlines everything, it's really nice having all of my passwords and information in one secure place. Not to mention built in VPNs and a fantastic UI.
Interesting Opera is based on Chromium just like Chrome, I wonder what is the difference. Also have you tried Vivaldi? It's also based on Chromium but created by the original founder of Opera.
__Lua ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:56:53 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Opera and Vivaldi are basically the same thing, from the outside. They just take Chromium and build upon it. The difference between them is what they build upon it.
They specifically said Opera worked fine on their machine but Chrome didn't. I wondered what difference affected then specifically not the difference of the base.
raelrok ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:27:11 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is weird as Opera is a Chromium fork these days anyway. Maybe try Firefox out again now that they've merged some of the new rust-based internals into it? They are supposed to give a strong performance increase for page renders and greatly reduce the possibility for memory leaks.
Chrome runs all tabs at the same time fast. Firefox is slower but only runs one tab at a time so switching tabs is like a fresh load. Edge is built into the OS and runs off less pc power but is also slower.
I stopped using Opera when it was sold to a Chinese company a year or two ago. I have been impressed by the Vivaldi browser, made by Opera's original creators. It uses the Chromium rendering engine, but it seems a little leaner and more responsive than Chrome.
Agreed! So fluid, plus with the built in VPN, I can browse and torrent endlessly. Throw in the Opera Mini app on my iPhone and I can pick up bookmarks, saved passwords, or even browse the tabs I left open at home; all on the go. Would def recommend.
Agret ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:35:49 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Opera is basically Chrome with a skin and a few extensions built into the browser. Unless you are referring to "Opera Classic" the old unsupported version that had its own rendering engine? If you want to checkout a modern day Opera (which also uses the Chrome engine) checkout Vivaldi. It's a browser from the original founder of the Opera browser.
Tuft64 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:00:41 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
2017, not using the onion routet
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:50:53 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I had the same issue, chrome crashed as soon as i booted it. But then i updated a driver and everything was all G
tl;dr though is that the tabs appear along the left (or right) side of the window instead of along the top and expand/collapse as a tree (based on where you opened a link from). I'm a programmer, so having a ton of tabs open is a common occurance for me and it's awesome to be able to see the full name of like 60 tabs all at the same time without devoting much screen real estate to it. Most sites have a crap ton of white space along the sides (since reading a site at the full width is uncomfortable), better to use that space than the vertical space that's in high demand.
Chrome has some that work similarly, but they're separate windows and a pita compared to just having it embedded into the main window like normal tabs would be.
tossin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:25 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I used to be the same, but I find the Tabs Outliner extension for Chrome to be much nicer overall. Some features I like:
You can cut and paste groups of tabs
You can export/import tabs pretty easily
Tabs can be turned "on" and "off". My current tree has over a thousand tabs, but it doesn't destroy my computer because a small fraction are open.
I am far from an expert, but my understanding is that it is a design decision that the Chrome people made early on. It is both good and bad.
The good: Everything in Chrome runs in it's own process, so one thing crashing won't kill the browser. I have no idea if this is still a problem with other modern browsers, but when Chrome was launched this was a common issue. One Javascript or Flash bug and the whole browser crashed.
The bad: Every process needs to load a big chunk of the browser into memory. That creates a massive memory sink.
Personally, I don't mind. Memory is relatively cheap nowadays. I run 16-32GB of ram depending on the system, and rarely run into problems, and it's not uncommon for me to have 100+ tabs open (yes, I agree that is stupid, still it is what I do).
So chrome does load a new process for each tab, but it also loads a new process for each app, plug-in, etc. So you have 5 tabs open, 3 plugins, and the hangouts and Google music app, that's at minimum 11 chrome processes. 5 per tab, 1 for each plugin, 1 for each app and one for the app launcher. If you do have trouble with this, right click any chrome shortcuts you use and click properties. In the target box add " -no-sandbox" with the leading space so the whole thing should be C:\pathtochome\chrome.exe -no-sandbox.
I've seen chrome manage to use more than twice my laptop's installed RAM
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:23:34 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So, I sometimes open up 50-200 tabs in Firefox and leaf back and forth between them for a while to work a problem and then close them again. This works reasonably well.
Are you saying this would be a completely no-go with Chrome?
No, I do similar on Chrome, it works fine. But your memory usage will be probably 3x higher than compared to FF, so make sure your system can handle it. 16GB is OK, 32GB of RAM is better.
I've yet to have one tab crash without taking the others out. like, not even once have I seen just one tab crash. 99% of the time it's due to shitty plugins or whatever, but it still takes all the tabs out
That is definitely something unique to your system then. Normally you get an error message that looks like this on the tab with the error and everything else keeps going just fine.
I have seen Chrome crash fully occasionally, but I've literally been using Chrome since the day it was released, and I would guess I could count the number of full crashes on one hand. It's just not a common experience. And I am arguably a worst-case user, since it is not unusual for me to have 100-200 tabs open at a time.
Plug ins should not fully crash Chrome-- they also run in their own process, and should only crash that process (though any tab using that plugin would display the message above and need to be reloaded).
Unless you just always use several tabs that rely on a given plug in, it sounds to me like you may have some malware or something, or possibly some configuration setting on your system has disabled some of the isolation.
That is definitely something unique to your system then.
I fix computers for a living, I'm just relating issues I've ran into on countless customer's computers. I personally haven't had an issue with chrome other than it being an absolute fucking dog on a system if you have the google play music plugin set up and running.
crashes are almost exclusively pepperflash crashes that I've noticed, by the way, and when it crashes, I mean it hangs, and going to task man and stopping just one of the processes stopps the whole lot of them
I've yet to have one tab crash without taking the others out.
I fix computers for a living, I'm just relating issues I've ran into on countless customer's computers.
I personally haven't had an issue with chrome
It's hard to take you seriously when you speak hyperbolically. Either you've "yet to have one tab crash without it taking the others out" or you "personally haven't had an issue." Those statements can't both be true.
Regardless, one tab crashing bring the whole system down is absolutely not normal. If your customers are seeing that, there is something wrong with their systems. As the person who is supposed to fix them, you should know that.
Regardless, one tab crashing bring the whole system down is absolutely not normal.
well, dingleberry, I've seen it happen hundreds of times on systems ranging from 7-10 and OSX.
If your customers are seeing that, there is something wrong with their systems.
WOW, EXCELELNT POINT! it's almost as if customers bring me their computers because there is something wrong with them!
As the person who is supposed to fix them, you should know that.
do people regularly tell you that you are REALLY SMART?
Triddy ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 09:14:56 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not just you.
For me, Chrome just grabs a bunch of memory when it's available, and then refuses to free it in a timely manner when it's needed. I've absolutely had things crash over being out of memory while Chrome is open.
I have 10 tabs open right now and it's taking up almost 6GB of RAM. Sure, 10 is a lot-ish, but 6GB is over the top.
__Lua ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 10:09:03 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How are you using up that much? I opened 10 tabs with Youtube, PocketCasts, Github, Imgur, ArtStation, etc. and it's barely taking 2.5 gigs.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:40:44 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For a lot of people 2.5 gigs is high.
nlx78 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:45:41 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can give you an example of what /u/triddy might mean. Not sure about his RAM availability but i have 12gb and there is this 1 game i play which is Cities Skylines. That is very RAM heavy when you have loads of assets and mods installed. Even without it will push your RAM use to 90 to 97 percent or so.
Not just on loading as you can see here but also while playing it's often at 95 percent with me. Now, on topic, if i want to listen to online radio, or have a talkshow on tv in the background, or browse the internet with alt tab, it will crash when i use Chrome. With Firefox it doesn't. Somehow that's more optimized.
But when RAM isn't an issue i will Chrome. Still like that better. But this is an example of applications that push your memory to the limit. Must be the same for editing video's in certain programs i can imagine.
I play Cities Skylines too. I run 16Gb in my desktop and have seen the same thing. Reminds me of MSSQL, as in it will use any available memory.
jantari ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:09 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It'll use memory if you have it. If you only have 4GB total, sure it'll hover around 2.5, but the person you replied to may have 16-32GB of RAM and if that's the case Chrome will utilize it (which is good)
__Lua ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:46 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, yes, but the functionality remains the same - I can browse through all of the tabs without a hitch, and he can do the same. The only difference is that mine takes 2.5 gigs and his takes 6.
Of course, different websites and what not, but still, my point stands.
I could be mistaken but I believe I read somewhere not too long ago that chrome has something called a memory leak
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:03:15 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would be amazed if Chrome actually had an unfixed memory leak that affected even 1% of users
cd2220 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:42:09 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Youtube specifically used to have a memory leak with Chrome until very very recently. If it was open for any length of time it would eat up ram and not let it go until I did a hard reset. It sas the strangest thing.
With 16gb I have no problem with hundreds of tabs in chrome. Chrome seems to suspend tabs when needed. I run also vmware, games sometimes usually fine. only issues happen when over 500. things start to go bad.
julbra ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 11:01:52 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
my record is above 700. I'm a tab monster. but I try to avoid anything above 500 as it may spell trouble. I set chrome to open last session. If I find something useful or interesting I keep it to get back to later. when I search for something not very useful to keep longer I use incognito and open new tab for each.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:04:49 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I find something useful or interesting I keep it to get back to later.
So chrome does load a new process for each tab, but it also loads a new process for each app, plug-in, etc. So you have 5 tabs open, 3 plugins, and the hangouts and Google music app, that's at minimum 11 chrome processes. 5 per tab, 1 for each plugin, 1 for each app and one for the app launcher. If you do have trouble with this, right click any chrome shortcuts you use and click properties. In the target box add " -no-sandbox" with the leading space so the whole thing should be C:\pathtochome\chrome.exe -no-sandbox.
Kind of shitty to fix memory problems by reducing security and stability.
rox0r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:56:38 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For me, Chrome just grabs a bunch of memory when it's available, and then refuses to free it in a timely manner when it's needed.
Of course. It allocates it from the OS and then it does its own memory management for performance reasons. It's a pretty good bet that it will need the memory again soon, so it doesn't release it back to the OS, but holds onto it for the next memory request.
sumuji ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:11:52 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The irony. I remember when Chrome was popular because it was fast, lite on resources, not full of bloatware... Etc.
[deleted] ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 09:13:50 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it's just scanning and preparing to send the entire contents of your drive to google perfectly fine and you're just imagining things
That's the first place my mind went as well LOL. I still run Win 7 for a similar reason. Win 10 seriously felt like malware. I had to fight and search and google so much shit for simple permissions and to override all the shit that's constantly running and no doubt gathering data. Just to try and mod games and shit. Luckily I hade an image/back up I could revert to. When win 7 is no longer supported I'll probably go back to Linux and emulate what I need.
But seriously I would love to actually know why Chrome eats mem like it does, unless of course your answer was not /s. In that case all faith lost.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:30:52 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
haha for the non /s reply look to johnny's thread below; regarding win 10 - it's a struggle and it can only be relatively accomplished with win 10 pro but you can neuter most of the spyware stuff in it relatively thoroughly and break everything else that you don't want; works great for games and you can use another OS (like any *nix flavor you want or osx if you're running on apple hardware [which needs some neutering of its own lol]) for your actual work so no actual sensitive stuff is ever exposed
I appreciate the answer, thanks for taking the time.
[deleted] ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 07:59:42 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Check out the Brave browser. Account sync, built-in ad blocker, they're also integrating a cryptotoken into the browser in some form as a means to seamlessly pay for content instead of watching ads.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:28:30 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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shwhjw ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:35:19 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting.
Recently at home my Firefox has been refusing to load new tabs (open a new window and it works), it's getting a bit frustrating. I'll give Brave a go, thanks!
I have both Firefox and chrome. I thought chrome got it's shit together and fixed it's memory leak issues but apparently not. I'll have 5 tabs open but when I open task manager there's about 25 chrome processes open and chrome will just freeze every 5 second.
oD323 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 10:07:02 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Every single chrome plugin/extension creates another "chrome.exe" process. If you have a lot of plugins it becomes rather apparent
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:42:29 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)*
You're experiencing a placebo effect if you think that Opera is better than Chrome.
Opera since version 15 has essentially been a re-skinned Chromium instead of its own engine. It uses Blink (Chrome's rendering engine) and V8 (Chrome's javascript runtime).
Since most development on Chromium is stuff making it back in to the open source version from the Chrome team's development, Opera is basically running a worse version of Chrome with poorer memory usage, rendering performance, JIT compilation, etc, since it tends to be behind-the-curve waiting for the Chrome team to commit their work back to the Chromium open source repository.
So chrome does load a new process for each tab, but it also loads a new process for each app, plug-in, etc. So you have 5 tabs open, 3 plugins, and the hangouts and Google music app, that's at minimum 11 chrome processes. 5 per tab, 1 for each plugin, 1 for each app and one for the app launcher. If you do have trouble with this, right click any chrome shortcuts you use and click properties. In the target box add " -no-sandbox" with the leading space so the whole thing should be C:\pathtochome\chrome.exe -no-sandbox.
I hear people say that. Maybe on specific setup? I switched from firefox (many years ago) because chrome is really good with tabs. I still can open hundreds of tabs with no problem. what's your pc specs?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:52:01 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've recently went back to Firefox after years of using Chrome. The main reason for me was that certain web pages would just act strange and nothing I could do would fix it, whereas Firefox simply didn't have the problems at all.
I'm pretty happy with the switch so far. I've been using the Nightly builds.
thamag ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:17:49 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Does firefox have similar auto-syncing capabilities as chrome? the UI and the cloud bookmarks and settings is all that's keeping me on chrome. It's such a sucker for RAM
Kalez85 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:31:14 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love Firefox but the memory leak issues are unreal.
Last month both Chrome and Firefox were unusable ass. Computer kept slowing to a crawl. Thought I picked up malware or some shit - changing adblocker plus to ublocker fixed it. What the hell.
Chrome is also just not ideal if you're a programmer. These are just two small examples, but why is a browser in 2017 unable to offer a Match Case button on page search? Or why is chrome unable to support setting up a proxy without me having to configure it for my entire machine?
IMO Google's been going the way of apple: over simplifying their UI to the point of detriment.
jwcobb13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:37:45 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)*
I seem to flow opposite the stream of users for some reason.
When everyone was on Chrome, I was on Firefox because it felt so much better at the time. Now that people are switching to Firefox, I'm on Google Chrome because it feels so much better. Weird. I have more crashes on my Macbook from Firefox than Chrome.
Now that Firefox has declared their intention to start collecting user browsing information, I'm probably going to switch to Chrome or Edge. I've never thought Firefox was the best browser, but it was good enough and it respected my privacy. Take the latter away, and I'm out.
chrome is dogshit and has been for years. FF was dogshit years ago but has been getting its act together in the past few years. my personal favourite is still safari, but support is constantly dropping for it so I might have to switch back to the old ff
klawz86 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:31:56 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me too, love me some Chrome, but a couple of patches ago it went to shit for me. No idea why.
I always find that when I leave my computer running for days, and Firefox is running, it will inevitably take up enough memory to make me end its shit.
sigurddh ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:46:32 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Used to only use Firefox. Now I'm all up in that Vivaldi. Some of the same issues as Chrome regarding ressource hogging, but all of that customizeability (word?) just tickles all the right places
I have to use a combination of both. Some things Chrome does best, and some things Firefox does best.
omninode ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 08:25:45 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I use Edge exclusively for video streaming. As far as I know, it's still the only browser that gets full 1080p video from Netflix. So Edge is basically a video app as far as I'm concerned.
jayswolo ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 08:48:55 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Netflix told me that if I want to stream UHD on a 4K screen laptop I need to use Edge.
Resolutie:
Google Chrome tot 720p
Internet Explorer tot 1080p
Microsoft Edge tot 4K*
Mozilla Firefox tot 720p
Opera tot 720p
Safari tot 1080p met Mac OS X 10.10.3 of hoger
I've had issues with the Netflix app where it takes a minute+ to load when going into the menus. I've also had issues with Netflix in Edge causing the browser to crash. I've settled for watching faux HD in Chrome.
omninode ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:20:29 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The app is fine, but it's much more convenient to just open Edge and have bookmarks to all my video services, rather than switching between different apps.
jantari ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:46:25 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Edge is the king of video streaming in general. Watch a 1080p or 4K YouTube video and compare CPU usage between Chrome and Edge. Chrome will drop frames and lock you at 100% on anything but very new machines (especially laptops and tablets), Edge plays it buttery smooth at 2-5% CPU use
/edit/ Like I mentioned in another reply, it means I can do all streaming (Netflix, Prime, Xfinity, etc.) from a browser with bookmarks rather than depending on each service's Win10 app (if they exist).
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:07:29 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe you can force Netflix to use enough bandwidth to run in 1080p in the options. Or at least you used to be able to.
Meh, it's ok browser. I used to shit and spit hate on IE in my webdev days, but since edge it's becoming usable. Never had it try to reset as my default browser either- if that happens to anyone get a fucking proper antivirus or stop visiting shady websites you pervs, probably something nasty downloaded itself and integrated into browser.
Chrome's obviously better, though it chugs through memory like insane and for some reason it's updates behave weird for me. Sometimes I have to manually download the latest version.
Firefox is good too, just something about the UX that rubs me the wrong way, can't even tell exactly what.
Teantis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:28:13 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shit, I'm really out of date - since I stepped on my last laptop if been managing to get by exclusively with phones. . . What's Edge? A browser, I guess, replacing internet explorer?
I just bought my first laptop in 4 years. I felt like I really needed it, but now I just find myself using my tab or phone instead. It's not powerful enough to game on, and all my browsing needs are covered elsewhere. I guess word processing might become an important feature once August is over and everyone goes back to work.
Yeah, that's the thing. I'm on the move a lot, so I don't have a desktop or tv, most films I even watch on my phone or tablet these days. And I'm phasing out the tablet!
Maybe in a few months when I've got other priorities paid for I'll buy myself a laptop. But, like you say, I'd be using it mainly for gaming (if I can get a decent one) and work production. And connectivity - I've a load of stuff on hard drives I can't access with my phone.
I'd love to get back into coding, but I don't have the time. Other than those things. . . I don't need a computer at all. Never thought I'd say that!
naknekv ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:25:07 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really couldn't stand watching a Hollywood production meant to be watched in cinemas with good audio in a 5inch screen, but maybe that's just me.
jantari ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:49:47 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a new browser in Windows 10, the new default - so in that way it replaced IE11, but Internet Explorer is obviously still installed because it's needed.
It's much easier to download ff with edge then with ie ๐
elint ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 08:41:20 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
With modern versions of Windows, you can use PowerShell to install chocolatey and then ff without ever having to open a Microsoft browser. The future is here!
spook327 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 09:46:36 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The future is 1996! We used to use the built-in CLI FTP client to download the latest version of Netscape Navigator and never touch IE.
Pfft lynx over a 2400bps connection or go home. NN is for fatcats.
jantari ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:51:12 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh please, Chocolatey is trash. You can use actual PowerShell (invoke-webrequest) to download anything off of the web, and subsequently install it.
xydroh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:59:37 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I use windows server on my job and sometimes I just can't use anything else because web interfaces from EMC or HP would only load on edge/explorer for some reason.
However, I'm considering changing browsers soon since a lot of ads on youtube/twitch seem to be able to get past adblock on Chrome, but not for Firefox/Edge.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:47:16 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Edge on Win 10 is not bad. I use it for Office. I also use Chrome and Firefox.
Edge is actually pretty good now, probably the fastest for webGL /html 4 stuff, as a web-developer I now no longer get sweaty thinking about making my sites look the same in Microsoft browsers!
Edge would be decently usable if sync actually worked. I don't just want synced bookmarks. I want synced bookmarns, settings, autofilled forms, passwords, addons, EVERYTHING!
Opera, FF, and Chrome let me do that. Get to work, Edge!
I don't think edge is that bad anymore. The only really annoying thing is that right clicking in a page doesn't show options like chrome does. Most of the time it's like "copy" and "open in New tab". But most of all on gmail it tells me that it's best to run it on chrome and that bugs me lol. Edge is crisp though. Viewing webpage previews in the tabs bar is neat.
I keep edge on my taskbar but only usually open it by accident haha
Use Opera my dude . It has some of the same code as Chrome but it doesn't shit the bed when I have twenty tabs open. It ben has battery options and a vpn built in
Keyframe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:38:36 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Chrome is a nice operating system. Maybe we could run Firefox in it?
zenope ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:59:33 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I use chrome on my Desktop but in my College laptop I use Edge the function to set aside a set of tabs for later is important when you only have 4gb of Ram.
I feel like your statement really sets the tone. You say Edge is usable, but you still use Chrome. Which reminds me of this argument:
Corona is good.
Well, if Corona were good, why does it need Lime? If it were good we would drink just Corona, not Corona and Lime. We put the Lime in it because it is not good.
Edge may be usable, but that doesn't make it good.
I know I'm late to the conversation but edge seems to be the most lightweight on my system. When I'm running overwatch and want to stream music, I'll have edge open in the background because it has the least noticeable drop in frames. I use Firefox for everything else though.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:47:27 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
especially now that you can install addons
hoseja ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:01:58 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's so fucking feature-barren though. And the tabs are really infuriating in several ways.
eycoli2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:40:36 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The only hope for edge right now is if chrome is fucked really bad
I use edge for hbo go. (Chrome, hbo go, and my mother board do not mix for some reason and when ever I watch it my main monitor turns on and off every 5 seconds. On edge it only does it when you start the video
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:12:19 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I optimize my computer to use everything low resource. Firefox seems to have some issues with web pages that have accreditation and chrome uses way too much CPU resource. Even on a AMD thread Ripper I still don't like using Chrome. I like that edge basically uses nothing but bandwith, and can be modified to not run scripts.
It's not usable until you can put ad blocker on it.
Is that an option now?
zhezow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:37:44 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Chrome is the real shit.
p.s.: one panda dies in China for every downvote this comment gets.
garyyo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:08:31 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
im just used to chrome and its ecosystem. i know how to do things in it and it doesnt shit itself sometimes like firefox does for me. but if chrome and firefox never existed i would totally use edge because its like pretty good
I wanted to try Edge when I updated to windows 10, but on my computer once you launch it, you can't close or minimize it without going through task manager. but Chrome works well.
matholio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:48:42 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's OK. At work I have it the default, at home Chrome. Prefer Chrome.
I use Edge because it is the only one which displays the numbers in the local Indian numbering format. Firefox used to do that too but idk why is it not possible now
All this Chrome talk is confusing me, because I use Chrome and almost always have 20+ tabs and sometimes a second window with multiple tabs and I never had a problem with 16 gbs of ram. While some guy talked about having around 10 tabs and 16gbs of ram Having programs crash cause of no memory. Is Chrome just bad for certain hardware?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:46:09 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Edge is fine until you develop a website using literally any other browser then start doing cross-browser compatibility tests and the motherfucker decides to fuck up your css or doesn't support half the html5 features you're using. IE/Edge is holding back web development as a whole and it's a freaking shame.
it's funny bc on my brand new i7 7700 pc with a GeForce 1060, chrome won't allow me to watch YouTube videos in anything above 1440p...meanwhile, edge will allow me to view anything in 8k60fps. hahaha like wtf, Google.
Edge is definitely usable nowadays. I still use Chrome for basically everything though.
Exactly. Edge is a great browser... Just not as good as the others that I like better.
vijrox ยท 102 points ยท Posted at 08:10:09 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, edge eats a LOT less of my resources than chrome, not sure whats so unbelievable about that. edge was built completely separately from internet explorer, it's not a rebrand
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:19:38 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Edge definitely feels the most responsive and appears to render the quickest, but half the plugins I use in FF just aren't available in Edge. I'd give it a genuine try if they were.
I was a dev on Edge for about a year. Edge is a fork of IE. Basically, the team said, IE is for backward compatibility (mostly with corporate intranet sites), and we're going to fork it, and in the fork we're going to do 10 years of cleanup and perf fixes that we've been unable to do, because of backward compatibility. The name of the fork is Edge.
There is some great work in Edge. But it is absolutely a fork of IE. You would be astonished just how much code there is in any major browser. Starting over from scratch is just not practical.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:12:30 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I had read something that Edge was actually using some of the Chromium codebase, so I guess that isn't true?
I guess they fell for their ad campaign. If anything, they polished the surface. The internals aren't very different.
Excal2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:41:04 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean everyone here is right. I'll agree with the other guys that MS did a lot of work on streamlining the development process, but like you said a lot of that is polish and optimization. While that does turn out beneficial for front end development and end users, it doesn't mean there isn't recycled code and repeated bugs and exploits. I just don't get why your side of the discussion got put down.
I mean let's get real here the real stigma of Edge is that it couldn't shake the IE branding and they launched without extension support.
MMEnter ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 12:10:08 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well it uses the same engin and o don't believe the rebuild until it is gets updates apart from the OS.
mt_xing ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:11:36 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It uses a different engine, though...
[deleted] ยท 141 points ยท Posted at 08:25:15 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As a webdev, I haven't really hated IE since about 8 or 9 anymore. And it's a literal far cry compared to the dumpster fires that were IE 6 and 7.
I have more problems with rendering quirks in Firefox than in IE or edge. When I develop something for Chrome, I can now be about 99% certain that it will run the same in Edge. Javascript performance is adequate, CSS rendering does what it's supposed to do, the debugger is allright and lack of activex means it's a lot more secure.
I told them the program is basically a computer virus and they never responded :-/
Maybe because your opinion is stupid and about 8 years out of date, literally too dumb to even respond to. This is the technological equivalent of somebody hating on Tesla because internal combustion engines are bad for the environment.
Is it the best browser? Absolutely not. I still hate it for general web browsing, but it doesn't want to make me kill myself anymore. The progress Microsoft has made with their browser is astonishing and it isn't the gaping security hole that IE used to be.
J4nG ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:39:42 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for this. I thought I was going insane looking at the other replies.
Whatever freaky crap Firefox is doing with their rendering engine, it'd be cool if they'd fix it.
Aren't you the cleverest Redditor around. I don't know why they didn't just started sucking you off because of your god tier tech advice.
jokul ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:27:15 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're definitely not going to let any corporations taint their perceptions, that's why they use Google Chrome(R), the fastest, most effective internet browsing tool on the market. They forgot to mention you can download it at https://www.google.com/chrome/, that's https://www.google.com/chrome/ in case you forgot.
[deleted] ยท 196 points ยท Posted at 07:43:18 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:21:31 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol your username reminds me of the accent I had years ago when I just moved to the US.. kinda sad it's gone tbh girls thought it was cute
But yeah what as asinine question..
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:55:21 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean it is a decent browser. It has the benefit of a completely new and clean codebase, with very little clutter. It doesn't support many extensions yet, so the featureset isn't quite there yet, but it definitely holds its own against the big players.
I told them the program is basically a computer virus and they never responded :-/
Edge doesn't have a completely new codebase. Edge is a fork of internet explorer, but rebranded, so it still has some explorer bugs, but they might fix them.
I was having issues at one point trying to fix a computer. I got tired of loading another browser when edge was already there so I started to use it. I have no strong feelings about it. I don't do anything fancy and it lets me look at porn and use addblocker and that is good enough.
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 07:46:46 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I go 50/50 edge and chrome. Not sure why. But I usually use them for different projects I'm working on at the same time. I don't feel edge is inferior. Edge randomly quits and chrome randomly uses a available memory. They're both fine most of the time.
That why I don't use it. It has just so many little things like that. They're not big issues on their own but they're so many of them that they eventually get to you.
Edge is great compared to explorer. They made development suck way less, improved performance, and added features we expect from browsers nowadays. Compared to actually good browsers, it's still a downgrade for most people.
I'd still choose Firefox over edge, but if Firefox somehow ceased to exist I'd use edge over chrome on low end systems just because it's less ram hungry. Or one of the ones I haven't tried using myself, like opera.
Essentially, it's still sub-par but it's not hilariously awful enough to be a joke anymore.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 08:27:06 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or one of the ones I haven't tried using myself, like opera.
Opera these days is just a reskinned chrome with all the google shit replaced/removed. With a bit of fidgeting you can even install chrome extensions.
I knew it was based on chromium but I thought it still did a lot of things very differently? But fair enough. I'ma stick to Firefox or chrome unless they both suck at the same time.
jantari ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:55:30 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The extension model of Edge is compatible with Chrome extensions too. At one point you could simply install Chrome extensions in Edge and they worked, but they've since added a little check - basically as a developer you now have to change 1-4 strings and it's converted to work with Edge.
rjens ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:39:38 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I couldn't believe it when the company I worked at developed a site primarily for chrome and I loaded it in Edge for the first time and it pretty much looked and worked right.
TehMau5 ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 07:42:42 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)*
The smooth scrolling, panning and zooming in Edge is literally the only reason I stick with it. Makes my browsing experience on a laptop with a touch pad/touchscreen a million times less frustrating and more satisfying.
If only Firefox and Chrome could ever achieve that level of smoothness, until then I'll stick with edge.
Firefox has smoother scrolling if you turn off smooth scrolling . No joke.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:23:22 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The smooth scrolling
Amen to that. I don't use Edge, but compared to Chrome and FF, it has the smoothest scrolling I've seen. A good comparison is Safari on iOS or MacOS vs Chrome or FF on them. I don't use Safari, but when it accidentally opens I'm always immediately reminded at how much smoother it scrolls than Chrome or FF. Same with Edge on my PC.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:59:49 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are plugins for that
vlees ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 08:09:44 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm using linux in my day to day life, but whenever I now have to use a computer with Windows 10 on it (e.g. public pc, without Firefox installed) I no longer start to feel pain everywhere when I have to use Edge for a short while, unlike IE.
In all seriousness, I defended Edge before and I will do it again: it's a usable, fast browser that properly renders websites. All of those three things never applied to the predecessor.
And I don't understand why people keep complaining: they just changed the name!1!!!
Yes, they changed the name, and made it usable... And probably changed the name because otherwise people would still associate it with the utter shit IE was.
A linux user defending edge! I gotta say, your comment is the one that finally got me to give it another chance. Extensions are sparse, as you said, but I tend to use as few extension as I can manage and somehow, Edge had almost all the ones that I needed (Alientube would have been nice). I'm happy enough to use is alongside chrome now
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 07:59:53 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you're still hating on it you just haven't used it. I prefer chrome, but the last few IEs and Edge are really not that bad.
I used Edge as a backup browser for a while and at one point it just crashed with ~6 tabs open and no restore features for those tabs. I would have different expectations from any non-MS browser.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:34:15 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then why am I still having to write code exceptions for them on every website I build?
As someone who does web dev Edge is seriously a major improvement in what it supports and how it behaves in general. I won't say that I personally like it or use it much, but compared to old IE it really doesn't deserve a lot of the crap it gets.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 12:22:51 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No they probably just screenshotted your idiotic comment and sent it to their friends
I've never used it on a pc, but I liked it on my old windows phone.
syryquil ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:08:47 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I notice your not responding to people saying Microsoft edge is fine. But it is.
Posid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:37:30 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I told them the program is basically a computer virus and they never responded
I don't use Edge myself but this sounds a bit ridiculous, got any sources to back that up?
Seems like needless flak if you ask me. I mean sure you might not like Edge, but unless you can actually describe in which way the software is a virus then it's just pointless bandwagoning hurhur MS is dumb kind of stuff.
If it's because Edge collects information about you or anything of that sort... then a majority of the software you can find is a "virus".
It's gotten to the point now that if I see someone using Edge, I don't cringe internally. I have to use it at work and I don't have any problems that can't be attributed to slow internet. I still prefer Chrome, but if I'm using a computer without Chrome for a few hours, I'm not gonna feel the need to go download it. Given the choice between Edge and Firefox, I'd stick with Edge.
I have a windows 10 tablet and edge is the best I've used for using touch screen on full windows.
I'd rather use firefox but everything is too small.
Tenki65 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 08:04:34 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Edge on a windows based tablet is amazing - even more since they added support for plugins.
I can't really speak for battery life, but on my (older) Asus Transformer T100 it's the best browser while in touch/tablet mode (I always use chrome when using it docked).
VMaxF1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:42:59 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My biggest frustration is that the uBlock Origin plugin for Edge requires the release after the newest one that's ever going to work on my Atom tablet. ABP is just not the same, but I'm still happier with Edge vs anything else.
sprucay ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:57:33 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean I quite like edge. Mind you, I never had a huge issue with explorer.
Edge has a pretty tiny marketshare (at least going by my own analytics data), but still juuust enough that I have to make sure my site is compatible with it.
I think it's a decent browser, but I'm still wary of anything Microsoft puts out. I'm mildly traumatized from having to support their earlier dumpsterfires.
Yeah because your response made no sense. Edge is good.
salgat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:16:05 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What? It's actually pretty good, will (or maybe already?) support extensions like firefox and chrome, and uses a new open source javascript engine. I'm sticking with Chrome but I give props where it's due.
For some reason, on my low-spec notebook, Edge is much much much more responsive than firefox or chrome, even without plugins. And I'm a free software enthusiast.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:05:15 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
when our company upgraded to windows 10, there was a period where 80% of the support calls where issues caused by stuff being opened in Edge instead of a program that works.
labatomi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:05:38 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually I love edge and it works a lot better than chrome and it's faster too. Only reason I don't us it it's because I'm already too invested in the chrome ecosystem.
I tried to use Edge to listen to music on youtube. There was stuttering sound, so no Edge for me.
msg45f ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:05:07 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In terms of actually supporting the browser features the spec stipulates they should, they have done a pretty good job in recent years of getting it together. IE was once the bane of developers due to this, but newer versions are pretty good. Not sure about actual users though - I haven't bothered.
Microsoft (R) Edge (tm) is great for me :) all of those new features are awesome and it's so fast! Microsoft (R) Edge (tm) is ๐๐ป๐๐ป(Microsoft pm me for my mailing address)
MMEnter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:09:03 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love it, it works best with touch and pen and dose anything I need.
zunnyhh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:10:57 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are a few situations that I actually prefer to use Edge over Chrome(which is my standard browser)
I use a two monitors and if i'm gaming, and want to watch youtube/netflix/twitch I usually use Edge for that since it is less resource heavy than Chrome, meaning I get better FPS n such in games.. However it's not good enough to completely replace Chrome, yet atleast.
It's still shite but I think it's definitely moving in the right direction. I still don't consider it a contender when it comes to internet browsers.
Camorune ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:51:46 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In ye olden days it sucked but anymore it's my go to browser after getting sick of the amount of resources firefox and chrome use. (especially chrome it's like they made it too kill laptops more than 5 years old)
Jagd3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:56:42 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
IDK anything about a virus but I actually really like edge. I've been using it at work and it is great. If I could change me default search engine from bing to Google I think it could actually compete against any other browser. The stubborn insistance on forcing you to use Bing really sinks it though.
Edge is the default at my school, first time I used it was yesterday. Surprised at how not terrible it is, but also I'm someone who doesn't really know the ins and outs of what makes a browser both good and not a liability
nwL_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:14:37 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone visiting my website from IE or Edge gets redirected to the Firefox installation page. Iโm not sorry.
Some of you guys really like Edge apparently. Fair enough. I still think it's garbage.
I use it for one thing and one thing only -- video streaming services.
Why? Because it supports 5.1 audio "out of the box," whereas Chrome or other browsers seem to require a bit of tweaking first. I think the Win10 Netflix app does 5.1, but streaming through Edge means I don't need a separate app for everything.
Eclapse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:00:28 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Edge isn't bad, it just sucks when compared to Firefox and Chrome cause it's textbook internet browsing. Nothing more, nothing less.
Edge is pretty light as far as browsers go and it's pretty nice to use. Also you're high as hell if you think Google isn't getting as much info as possible from you to sell when you use Chrome, it's not just Microsoft. That said Microsoft's submissive whining built in to Windows 10 begging you to try Edge is a large part of the reason I don't use Edge lol
jmkni ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:00:44 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have you used Edge?
It's a solid browser. It's very fast, standards compliant, has all of the same major plugins as Chrome/Firefox.
One reason I would use Edge over all others is for its incognito/private browsing mode... and it's not for the reason you think. In all other browsers, when you open up a new tab, you get blinded by a white screen as the page loads. Edge is the only browser I know that doesn't do this but unfortunately, it's only in incog mode that the dark theme is present.
I use chrome and only chrome. On the off chance that chrome doesn't work for something, I try waterfox, Firefox, and edge in that order. I'm pretty sure edge takes up less ram which would be better for me but I jusy prefer chrome.
_vrmln_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:12:01 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't tell whether r/hailcorporate is a joke not because sometimes it seems like people are just taking the piss but other times it seems like they are actually serious. Not sure what to believe
tekdemon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:53:35 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Edge is clearly superior on laptops and tablets, since it supports the precision touchpads with their gestures and works really well with the touch screens for scrolling around. The other browsers do really badly with these, even after putting a lot of effort into trying to optimize them. But on a full blown desktop with tons of power I still prefer Chrome because of the ecosystem of extensions available. But for battery life and usability with non-mouse input Edge is a clear winner.
I really really like edge... But I'm just too deep in the Google ecosystem. I use Chrome for everything and having all my passwords always filled, or all my siteory accessible from all devices basically makes it impossible for me to leave.
edge has been pretty alright, albeit featureless. the best thing about edge is that there isn;'t much in the way of malware for it for some reason, which is odd because the kind of people that get malware are exactly the kind of people that are using edge while calling it "internet explorer"
Once we start getting more plugins it will be even better. I've never had a virus so far and my battery life is far better when using it over chrome. There is a video someone put out showing how much better battery life you get with it. Dunno, lay off the shady porn sites I guess? Lol
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:41:22 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm actually a fan of Microsoft Edge, I definitely wasn't before it got extensions. Firefox freezes all the time for me and Chrome is a memory hog and locks up on occasion.
Ominusx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:52:40 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Edge is good enough for sure. I use Chrome, but if I had to swap I wouldn't mind.
danzey12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:41:01 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I told them the program is basically a computer virus and they never responded :-/
Because that's a dead meme and it's a usable browser?
Are you telling me in a thread related to tje subject was an obsessive "true believer" nerd who was heavily pushing his prefered but unpopular piece of software?
Not saying it wasn't corporate, just saying it's far from certain it was.
Just like you know what features your preferred browser has right?
zeimusCS ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:03:18 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
dude um edge is actually better than chrome for as chrome doesnt support certain video codec and stuff so video is superior in edge or safari on macos
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:33:27 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Those who like Edge clearly are not web developers.
Perryn ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 06:11:48 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ever tried to repair Edge when it breaks? It's basically a black box that you can reset and not much else. I'd rather keep working with IE if those are my only options.
ERROR_ ยท 66 points ยท Posted at 06:34:38 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
what? what kind of breaking and repairing are you doing with other browsers
Not the best analogy. If your car fails then there's no reset button, you have to take it to a mechanic who is a part of the 10% that knows about the engine (hopefully) and would need access. If your web browser crashes you can just close and reopen it or restart your computer.
I guess my analogy was too simplistic. The picture I had in my head was that the car could only be serviced by certified technicians.
Also, if your firefox profile breaks, all you have to do is reset your browser profile or reinstall it. In edge the process is somewhat more labourious.
No, but they do put big ass plastic engine shrouds on a lot of newer vehicles. I think making at accessible, but only accessible to somebody who knows what they're doing would be a fair compromise.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:05:58 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shrouds are for making a weak low emissions engine look pretty, it's easy to take off.
Perryn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:06:44 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It also provides some sound dampening for the chatter of high pressure fuel injectors.
BrQQQ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:52:40 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You have to open the hood to perform basic maintenance and therefore to even use the car. It's not "advanced settings", it's a critical part.
If you need advanced settings in a product and it doesn't have them, then you are not the target audience. Can just use something else then.
Perryn ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:05:29 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The customers are not happy when the IT person who is supposed to fix it for them can only reset the app entirely, wiping their saved app data in the process. When IE or any other normal browser gets its homepage hijacked, there are plenty of tools to to fix just that. When a bit of malware script came around that hijacked Edge into opening a window saying they needed to call Microsoft and pay in gift cards to have it fixed, the only solution was to do a full reset of the app until they eventually updated Edge to make that particular attack not work.
Edge has that too with about flags or something like that
re1jo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:14:23 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well to be fair, they have made good Internet Explorers. The issue is more like not updating it so it falls quickly behind the other browsers. They are somewhat in the right direction with EDGE, though.
bluew200 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:09:36 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Edge killed itself on the no-adblock early, and year later hype was gone
Edge could be great but it just feels half done. The interface is annoying, like how I can't search my history. I hate opening videos in new tabs and they start playing immediately. What I do notice is how freaking optimized edge is which is why I use it often, especially when I'm trying to stretch my battery. Still prefer Opera any day
jrsooner ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:38:22 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rip the main use for it, creating shortcuts through the webpage itself. Also the reopening of all tabs on a reset is annoying and I don't know how to turn it off.
Edge is actually pretty decent from what I've seen, although I mostly use my Mac so I haven't used it that much. Only complaint is that they seem to be a bit slower to adopt new web standards, but they are not that far behind and seem to actively be trying to keep up. They also do some bleeding edge stuff. Like they're the entire reason we have grid layout as a CSS module now, but they have their own version and are trying to catch up to the standard.
Thameus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:34:10 on August 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Microsoft basically even admit to it: every time I have to check browser compatibility for a webpage, I start searching for internet explorer in windows 10 without thinking (I don't have IE installed, if it even still exists), and what do you know, microsoft edge comes up at the top anyway.
I got an obviously fake message from a Facebook friend, with a link in it. The link wanted me to open it in Microsoft edge. Apparently, if I opened it, it would have sent the link to all my fb friends, by using some exploit in Edge. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
Mostly just contracts with rights holders that prevent streaming above a certain resolution using unapproved DRM systems.
The only one that they've accepted is the whole Windows 10 / Edge system (which isn't the standards everyone else is using), probably due to Microsoft control with autoupdates and their specific DRM approach.
goatcoat ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 12:26:47 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It makes a lot of sense that rights holders would allow 720p streaming but disallow 1080p streaming. If you look at torrent sites, you will see that torrents offering 1080p content are popular while torrents offering 720p content are non-existent because pirates are so concerned with a bit of extra resolution that it completely eclipses their desire for content. Also, you will note that content available on Netflix in 1080p is never leaked on piracy sites because Netflix's DRM works.
Oh wait. Everything I just said was totally false and rights holders are living in a fantasy land.
Same reason I use it. And I always get Netflix (Not Responding) the first time I try to do anything then it reloads and works. Fucking awful software.
Percinho ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 07:26:12 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm glad it's not just me that gets that! Every. Single. Time.
Cebolla ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:43:23 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
is that what that is ? i have to watch netflix in the developer version of chrome ( chrome canary ) and it's annoying as sin. not to mention, chrome keeps crashing my entire computer recently. it's a nightmare.
I think they caused some issues in a recent patch... I keep auto-update on so it doesn't tell me when Chrome updates but I have experienced a bunch of performance issues over the past couple of months.
dstaller ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:17:23 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sucks that this is the case but unfortunately IE, Edge, AND The Netflix app all cause a tiny micro stutter in games that I'm playing once every 5-10 seconds but Chrome doesn't. Forces me to use Chrome when I want to watch something on Netflix and play games at the same time. Couple Windows installs later and several clean driver installations and the problem still remains.
qx2anon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:29:57 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is news to me.. wow .. ok ..hey edge how are ya buddy!?
orbit222 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:37:40 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I may be missing something here but if you're using Edge you're using Windows, so why not watch in the Netflix app instead? That's what I do, I'll have the Netflix app playing on one monitor and Chrome open on the other.
For some reason the netflix app and steam dont like to play nice on my PC, always have to turn it off before i play a game. So i just open up Edge and use it that way.
Maybe self-destructive is a better term? I just don't care for the increased attitude from FF and Chrome of the developers that seem to say they believe they know what's better for an end-user than the end-user does for themselves.
ELI5/TLDR They're in the process of rewriting most of the important parts of the browser. Most notably, 57 comes with a new stylesheet processor which is very fast.
Edit: After coming across this link, it seems like it's more than just a stylesheet parser, and that my comment below is probably off-base.
While that's good, processing stylesheets seems like the last thing to worry about when it comes to speed. If I load Facebook in Chrome, "Parse Stylesheet" accounts for 44.9 ms of the time, or 1.3% of the total time. So even if they made it twice as fast as the one Chrome has, it would be a mere 0.65% speed improvement in that test case.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:49:33 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What is the most time consuming? Excluding things that are affected by the speed of your connection.
I feel like Firefox is just SO much slower than chrome and often times just freezes on me. I like it because of the privacy compared to chrome though. Hopefully they fix that issue.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 08:43:24 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)*
There are significant performance improvements coming through at the moment, for instance it's got quicker to start when there are lots of tabs open, and IIRC bits are being swapped out with stuff from another project called Servo.
Roseveld ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:46:29 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You might want to check out Waterfox.
Its a firefox overhaul for 64bit systems and much greater performances.
Congrats for getting such good battery life in a operating system that is optimized by Google, used only to browse the web and cannot install regular applications.
Chrome remains a huge battery suck on Windows and Mac OS though.
Right, so a chromebook is more in line with an Android device.
It makes sense for Chrome to run well in an environment completely controlled by Google on a device that is marketed only for web browsing and web-based applications. It'd be like bragging how much better an Android tablet's Chrome web browsing battery life compared to a Windows PC's. They're two completely different OS environments.
There's no reason why Google can't improve Chrome to not be a battery suck on traditional x86 laptops, hence why it is compared to other browsers running on Windows/Mac OS.
That's a bit of a stretch, but I see how you could get there. I mean, you've got Chrome Apps, you've got Android apps, you've got a real full size laptop with the full desktop Chrome experience.
Anyway, you're throwing a lot of brands around but ultimately I guess you're just saying that LInux gives you more performance for less power compared to Windows, and I wouldn't really dispute that, but I'm really just saying that Chrome doesn't have to have a cost of battery life. Maybe I'd add to that that Microsoft and Apple would do well to maybe participate in making one of the most popular applications that run on their platform run better, instead of going on about how their own branded products that are generally considered to be inferior are better on power.
kirfkin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:54:32 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 10:43:31 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would use Edge but I've used Chrome for so long and everything is set up exactly the way I want it. To change browsers now just feels like it wouldn't be worth it. I'm sure it's just fine, but I can't see it offering a significant benefit over my current Chrome setup.
IE was like that as well but a meme came about because people were on IE6 while IE8 was out. If you notice a lot of people who talk badly about IE use Chrome so you know they don't know what they're talking about
Well, no. They dragged IE12 into an alley and beat it to death, then took its clothes and put them on a new codebase.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:08:23 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The only reason I call Edge bad is because it's proprietary. Chrome at least has Chromium and backs it, Firefox is under the GPL and MPL. While Edge just sits on Windows exclusively and is equivalent to a botnet for how locked down it is. Same can be said for Safari.
roxymoxi ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 06:47:58 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My managers only use Internet Explorer. There's no chrome or Firefox installed.
They are the true believers. Also the company I work for works at a snail's pace anyway so it fits.
The corporate world is full of internal software built back when IE6 was the world's only browser* that still, mostly, works and nobody wants to pay to update.
*This isn't quite true, but it's close enough. Companies didn't want to buy Opera and Netscape shit the bed in that era even worse than IE ever did.
Someone can't just be happy/grateful/make a joke on the internet eh? Username checks out.
glemnar ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 10:40:25 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And yet edge is the only browser that supports Netflix in 4k
damontoo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:33:48 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because of DRM, not because it's good. In fact, I'd call that a bad thing.
glemnar ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 14:48:16 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)*
Has DRM on internet-streamed video ever negatively affected you in any way? The anti-DRM crowd sure is vocal but in most cases it seems like irrelevant argument
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glemnar ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:12:06 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)*
That's sort of a separate issue - Firefox didn't support the standard. That's essentially the same as them not supporting e.g. the video format standard Netflix streams with. DRM on it's own does not make it inherently more difficult to watch streamed video.
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glemnar ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:24:11 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was because Firefox hadn't implemented encrypted media extensions, so Netflix would fail to work in the browser.
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glemnar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:04:02 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Totally agree with you that the cdm being closed source is batshit (I wasn't aware of that part of it). I just don't think DRM is inherently a bad thing is what I was trying to say.
Ran4 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:46:17 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Has DRM on internet-streamed video ever negatively affected you in any way?
...yes, that's EXACTLY what damantoo is talking about? I'm not allowed to play 4k netflix video on my linux computer. And that sucks.
Man I would be happy if they made windows explorer good. I have to reset it quite often because it forgets that borderless windowed games need to be on top of the task bar.
Lovehat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:01:42 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Make Internet Explorer good.
I used internet explorer until I got windows 10. I tried the other browsers, they were all slower and laggy. Then I got W10, and used whatever the IE on it was called for a couple of days but it was really shit so I swapped to chrome which I am still using.
AFuckYou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:26:42 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There use to be noticeable differences between explorer, chrome, and Firefox. Now they all suck equally.
In all fairness, Microsoft Edge is the best browser to download Chrome.
hadhad69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:01:55 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice edit man, really played it cool.
Craptain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:41:49 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
IE4 crushed Netscape into bankruptcy and was the gold standard for a long time before Mozilla/Firefox showed up. Know your geek history, young people.
qlube ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:42:13 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only 90s kids will appreciate this, but IE was pretty damn good from about IE4 to IE6. Definitely way better than Netscape Navigator, which somehow became shittier and shittier despite the new competition.
"In other news Bill Gates was badly burned earlier today and we have no word as of yet if he'll ever recover..."
IsABot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:25:42 on August 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As a web dev, Edge is leaps ahead of any previous versions of IE. Granted that's not hard to accomplish considering what a turd IE is in generally, especially pre-11. (11 was ok-ish) Chrome and Firefox are still better than Edge in almost every way, minus a few small use cases. But to be frank, if MS could nuke all computers of any version of IE other than Edge, it would make a huge difference in the world.
beautify ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:35:12 on August 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You claim to hate internet explorer, but IE saved you from a much worse enemy. A darker, ancient plague. Long ago, when computers we're young, browsers didn't come with operating systems. They were a tool sold to you buy others. America Online, Netscape (free for consumers costly for business) were the kings. Then, one day the Sun rose, but it was a black Sun.
On the tides of its light came a new way of running things called Java. And then all of a sudden browsers became more than a portal to the internet. Soon a browser could do many things. Run applications, run games.
And then the masters of the dark Sun took a misstep. They announced the days of the operating system were numbered. And then bill and Steve and all the others realized they needed to own the browsers to control the world.
Also with out I.E. there would be no safari. With out safari no webkit. With out WebKit no chrome.
True, but open source means that everyone has access to the source code, which means that anyone has access to the software, for free.
Vison5 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:22:32 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not what free software is.
It's free as in freedom, not free as in beer
pohFaep4 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 11:51:00 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
free as in, you can download the source code, compile it, and then proceed to use it however you want, within the constraints of the gpl or whatever license it uses. which, if it applied to beer, would include drinking it. if beer worked this way, i'd consider it free.
i mean, that's not what free software means, or necessarily the point, but it naturally follows from how it works.
That's not what open source actually means though... there's plenty of things with publicly published source code that you could compile and use unlicensed, but the actual licensed version costs money. The point of open source software is security not free use.
The definition of open source: denoting software for which the original source code is made freely available and may be redistributed and modified.
Open source means it is free to download and use in whatever manner you choose. The licensing only applies to redistribution.
Note that just because you have source code doesn't mean the project is open source.
pohFaep4 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:41:42 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you mean to tell me that you couldn't take any open source project, download the source code, compile and use the software for pretty much any purpose, without breaking the gpl? because if not, the above interpretation still stands. the fact that this is not the main point of the license does nothing to change this.
Not everything with publicly published source code is licensed under GPL...
pohFaep4 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:09:58 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i've never claimed so, either. but publicly published source code doesn't mean something is open source. there might be exceptions, but as far as i know, the above criteria (is able to download, compile and use freely) applies to most of the free software licenses, like apache, bsd, and mit licenses.
but publicly published source code doesn't mean something is open source.
This is a really simple thing, all software, regardless of cost or license, fall into one of these two categories.
Open Source = Everyone can go read the source code.
Closed Source = Not everyone can go read the source code.
That's it.
Any attempt to redefine "open source" to be a synonym "free software" is some Linux user kumbaya nonsense.
pohFaep4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:32:00 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
there's no need to go nitpicking for the sake of disagreeing, my original comment said
free as in, you can download the source code, compile it, and then proceed to use it however you want, within the constraints of the gpl or whatever license it uses. which, if it applied to beer, would include drinking it. if beer worked this way, i'd consider it free.
which is what i'm arguing for. no more, and no less. i'm not trying to prove that open source == free software, that's just you being pedantic about my terminology even where the context makes it obvious that i'm talking about software published under a license that allows for freely downloading, compiling and running the source code.
it's ok to make the point that free software is not about it being free of charge. it's misleading to claim that it's not also free as beer, because as previously stated, if beer worked like free software, beer would be considered free. i doubt it'd stop anyone from arguing that it's not, though.
You are wrong. Open source has a specific definition, which I already quoted you above. Just because you can find source code does not make it "open source". Open source is a specific license on the work.
A pretty easy example is Javascript on the web. You can freely view Javascript source code on any website, but that doesn't mean it is open source code.
Wrong. "Open source" is not a specific license. The GPL is a specific license, the MIT License is a specific license, etc... but just because those are both open source and free to use does not mean that open source is a synonym for free to use.
A pretty easy example is Javascript on the web. You can freely view Javascript source code on any website, but that doesn't mean it is open source code.
Can I view the source? The it's open source. If I can't view the source then it's closed source.
Wrong. "Open source" is not a specific license. The GPL is a specific license, the MIT License is a specific license, etc... but just because those are both open source and free to use does not mean that open source is a synonym for free to use.
You can freely view Javascript source code on any website, but that doesn't mean it is open source code.
MIT and GPL are open source licenses. It is possible to own source code but not be licensed to use it.
Yes, yes it does.
No, no it doesn't. The very widely accepted industry definition for open source is having the freedom to freely use and modify the code however you want. Simply being able to view source code does not implicitly give you this right.
Not even all licenses that are commonly referred to as open source allow you to do whatever you want. That's the entire point of having a license. There was just a court case determining just that about GPL software, take a gander at Artifex Software v Hancom
I think your confusion lies in the fact that you think open source means is the source available. That is not the case at all. Instead, the open part refers to the freedom of the license. Licenses that are considered to be "open source" are ones such as GPL, MIT, and BSD. Each of these licenses must still be honored and respected, but by doing so, you are given freedom over the source. Both free as in speech and free as in beer.
I don't really have a lot of time to scan a court case, but I'm assuming the defendant didn't adhere to the stipulations within the GPL license. Not respecting the license can of course have legal repercussions.
You can obtain source code from pretty much any program. Having a copy of the source does not mean it is "open source", and it doesn't give you implicit rights to use the source. This stuff isn't open to interpretation.
Well at least you got that part right... still not sure how you fail to understand that
open source means isthe source available [to everyone]
Is exactly what is has always meant until people started piling onboard the kumbaya free software bandwagon.
Open/Closed is and always has been a binary descriptor for whether or not source code for a piece of software is freely available for inspectionnot freely available for use. Hijacking the term does not change the original definition, open is viewable to everyone, closed is secret, end of story.
Lowsow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:57:00 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Free as in freedom, not as in beer is a slogan of the open source movement. It means getting the software for free, and paying people to maintain it. Being able to download, run, and modify open source software is part of the definition.
This is a really simple thing, all software, regardless of cost or license, fall into one of these two categories.
Open Source = Everyone can go read the source code.
Closed Source = Not everyone can go read the source code.
That's it.
Any attempt to redefine "open source" to be a synonym "free software" is some Linux user kumbaya nonsense.
Lowsow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:10 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry, but that just isn't the way that "open source" is used. "Free" and "Open Source" have always been used semi-interchangeably. The "Open" part of open source doesn't mean that you can just review the source code, but you can modify, reproduce, or do what you want with the source code.
Open source is inherently an ambiguous term, because different organisations have different exact ideological criteria for how to define open source, but the general meaning goes a lot further than merely allowing the source code to be inspected.
I know of many licences described as open source, but none called open source where the only difference with closed source is publishing the source code. Who would use such a license anyway? It would tremendously incentivise secret copying and unauthorised modification.
The "Open" part of open source doesn't mean that you can just review the source code, but you can modify, reproduce, or do what you want with the source code.
Uh... there's plenty of open source and free software that has prohibitions on doing certain things with the code. Specifically some prohibit distributing unauthorized modifications of the code, so making your own fork based on it would be a copyright violation.
It's not about everyone having access to the software, for free or otherwise.
It's about the rights granted to the people who get the software.
I could write a program, sell you a license under the GNU GPL and if neither of us ever gave anyone else a copy it'd still have been a 100% FLOSS ordeal.
Now, when you go distributing your software en masse under a FLOSS license, it's likely that some of your users are going to redistribute it to the general public, even if you won't. Especially if you won't.
Indeed, but I never mentioned the gpl; your example is of closed source free software. Free (not as in beer) software and open source aren't equivalent, but freedom immediately follows from being open source.
Other than that you're of course correct, free software isn't necessarily free :P
The difference between Open Source and Free Software is mostly philosophical.
In practical terms, the two are mostly interchangeable.
(That's not to say that the difference is not important. The philosophical foundations matter.)
I mentioned the GNU GPL to give a concrete example with a well known FLOSS license.
Feel free to replace it with your favorite OSI-approved license.
The principles of both Free Software and Open Source don't require making software available to the whole world, for free or otherwise.
Steev182 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 10:33:28 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Open source and stolen code are two different things too.
Vison5 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:23:16 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Free software doesn't mean it doesn't cost money or that it's pirated.
Free in this context means freedom, not free like beer.
graebot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:58:08 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)*
Completely free open source software, which just happens to be illegal...
Edit: Oops... Forgot the /s...
seekret ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:34:16 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not what open source means.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:26 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As much as I would love it to be open source, you cannot make it 100% open source. It would make it way too vulnerable. Now you can say that you could make everything open source except the vital codes for the pupose of protection, but then there would always be the question how much we really know about the near open source product, which means a not 100% open source product is a 0% open source product.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:03:29 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Would not be surprised if they do it.
iBoMbY ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:40:21 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I bet the next major Windows version is going to be based on Linux, only using a desktop from Microsoft.
with google becoming less and less functional and returning more irrelevant results as time goes by, it was a lot better about 7 years ago, i'm starting to use bing a lot more often.
People seem to have a degree of reverence for Bill due to PR and his foundation but he was as cutthroat a businessman as Steve Jobs or Mark Zuckerberg.
Much of his foundation's activity actually makes him money in the long run (like donating PCs to schools to build early brand loyalty).
He stepped on a ton of people to get to the top, and now that he's there he's rewriting his legacy
As far as I know I just made it up. Though now that you mention it it sure seems like something that would have been used before. Maybe I heard it or read it somewhere and forgot.
I used to work for a partner company of Apple, supporting their phone systems, and one day my co-worker got an email forwarded from Steve Jobs to one of his execs.
My co-worker then sent it to everyone in the department to get the attention required, but not before amending Steve Job's signature to say 'Sent from my Blackberry'.
haha i heard he wasn't even in charge at apple anymore. what a loser. Heard he was on sick leave eating fruit, what a wuss. God I love my Iphone 7. It's definitely not a complete disappointment compared to what apple used to be.
[deleted] ยท 883 points ยท Posted at 05:59:33 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bill Gates, can you look into making another Crimson Skies game?
It's a rare day when I hear about the best damn dogfighting game ever in the wild. I so very sorely want a new Crimson Skies, with %20 more Nazi plots and at least a bajillion more zeppelins.
I forgot about this game entirely until just now. Goddamn, that was a good game. Why aren't there more good dogfighting games? I've never known a gamer that didn't enjoy a well-made one.
Snoopy Flying Ace was dope when the community was alive.
swiftb3 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:20:59 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of them started leaning too far into Flight Sim style for me. I want to dogfight, not spend all my effort trying to fly the plane like it's real.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:33 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
when you took just enough German in high school that a mispronunciation in an obscure video game makes you angry
Die Spinne rustled my jimmies every time.
schadavi ยท 66 points ยท Posted at 10:44:38 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am a native German. Can't watch any old war movies. Best case szenario, the english script was translated 1:1 into German and then read out loud by an english actor who had never heard a word of spoken German in his life before.
"Us making them queen proudness if halting the Germany improvement" would be a British equivalent.
I learned all my German from Commando Comics, unfortunately it's rare enough in the modern world to get much use out of ACHTUNG! HIMMEL, SPITFEURS! and DONNER UND BLITZEN! but I do try to insinuate it into normal conversation to show how cosmopolitan I am.
I took German in high school, but the only opportunity I've ever had to use it (outside of when I went on vacation to Germany) was in New Zealand.
I was staying at a small hostel and a girl that worked there ran a different game night every night. This night was poker: Texas hold 'em. It was totally casual, the winner of the game gets 1 beer, that's it.
The girl running it had people put in small blind, then big blind, but was letting everyone after that bet the small blind as minimum bet. It should be big blind, which I noticed, but didn't say anything cuz who cares.
But sure enough the only German guy at the table speaks up and points out that we aren't following the rules correctly.
I said "Yeah, Germans are strict on the rules..." then slammed my fist on the table and sternly pointed at the game hostess and said "DAS IST VERBOTEN!"
That's it. Three years of high school German for that.
Haha, like in Lala Land when one white guy is supposed to be talking Chinese. Chinese people say foreigners never say the tones, I never knew what they ment until I heard that guy try and speak Chinese for the first time!
God, imagine if we could get EA to phone up Lawrence Holland and make a new X-Wing/TIE Fighter game. Updated with Battlefront-style graphics, Star Citizen's level of detailed physics modelling and VR support, with a proper branching storyline where you could join the Empire or the Rebels or-
And I'm spent.
ZincMan ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 12:18:32 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love you guys for bringing up Xwing. That game was so amazing, hadn't had an equally good dogfighting game since
F4nboy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:28:29 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First game (XvT) I ever joined a Clan for! TFA baby!
ZincMan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:51:30 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That was online ? Wasn't the game pre internet? I only played xwing, was it comparable ?
F4nboy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:26:02 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was incredible.
Yeah it was online. I have no idea how old I was though but I'd guess it would have to be around the 2000 or '99. The clan was one of the founding clubs of darkjedi.org and I think that the game was one of the first they supported.
ZincMan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:30:02 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit that's amazing. Had no idea there was an online game there. Can't believe I missed out on that Had my old joystick on Xwing and it was so good
F4nboy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:21:05 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think people still play it via battle.net
After they shut down the pub servers a few popped up from memory.
I remember having some 12 button Logitech joystick with a throttle control on the side.
julomat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:25:04 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ExPwN ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:12:56 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I could totally see a green light game called 'Actual Dog Fight Simulator 2018' where you are a dog in first person...
invazion ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 11:14:56 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Theres no way... is this... is this that game i used to play as a child? Repressed in my subconscious? Holy shit this was a dope game, if im remembering right
While it's not quite the same, Titanfall 2 definitely scratches my giant robot combat itch.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:58:53 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same here. I enjoy it but it's just...missing the same appeal I had with Mech Assault. There have been quite a few mech games to come since MA2, but none seem to be the same.
So much this -- for pretty much any happy video game memory, I can find a modern game that either really nails that classic experience or updates it reasonably well. I've got a very serious flight combat sim and a very serious space combat sim and plenty of light missions-with-progression space combat games, but non-sim PC air combat is a void for me. I remember Red Baron and Crimson Skies when I think of what I want here, and I don't know a 2017 equivalent.
I'm finding the same thing with Interstate 82 mod for Battlefield 1942. So far in 15 years nothing has come in to fill that niche void. I think a Rocket League mode similar to IS82 with the stunt tracks could be wildly popular.
For those who aren't familiar, this is what it looked like. A very difficult course often with a raised track and loops, it could take up to 30 minutes to complete the track and if you fall off you often have to start over from the beginning. Other players could also knock you off the track etc. You had a rocket booster to propel you up, and a booster to propel you forward. You would have to make very delicate maneuvers to get past certain sections. It was soooo satisfying completing the harder courses.
Yeah, I have happy memories of those too. Gas Guzzlers Extreme is totally serviceable combat racing, but it isn't nearly as close to the Car Wars tabletop game as Interstates '76 & '82. Also though, as a Playstation original, I have really fond memories of the Vigilante 8 series, which may have had some overlapping talent behind the scenes.
Posid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:46:44 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You have games like Ace Combat, but the games are honestly too arcady for me. Feels silly that you can do half the things you can do in that game.
War Thunder is in the same boat, unless you fly realistic missions the game is extremely arcady. I did have some fun in the realistic matches though piloting with a joystick.
legop4o ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 10:26:17 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And a sequel to Freelancer. And MechWarrior. And MechCommander, for that matter...
"A Lannister always pays his debts" is just a saying.
loudtess ยท 358 points ยท Posted at 06:22:34 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup, later on in Season 1 or possibly 2, Bran is going over the house mottos with the Maester and he tries to say "The Lannister's always pay their debts", and the Maester says that is wrong.
Just realizing that. Ramsay used mis-navigation to fool him on the escape, used archery to rescue him, and used lovemaking to set him up for castration.
Then when the sister tried to save him, reek had no rebellion left in him.
If that was intentional and not a coincidence then I'm giving up on trying to understand GRRM and becoming a successful writer. How he could weave all of these small ironies, foreshadowing, and easter eggs into his writing that a large majority of the readers/viewers completely miss is just beyond me. How do you write something where everything is connected and there are no coincidences but still have the story be meaningful, interesting, and (most amazing of all) unpredictable? Fucking magic. Black magic.
They always do... only to inevitably be put back down. Shame, maybe if Theon didn't betray Robb he could have taken over the Iron Islands and helped modernize and change their culture and help them finally assimilate into Westerosi culture.
I wrote a fanfiction back in 2013 called the Drowned Lion where Theon stays loyal to Robb and ends up at the helm of the loyalist faction of Iron Islanders when a civil war breaks out.
I never finished it though.
[deleted] ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 07:03:07 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's like episode 5 or 6 of season 1.
Source: watched it 2 days ago and I'm only on episode 8 now.
Robbo112 ยท 113 points ยท Posted at 07:52:32 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)*
Delete this. You'll probably get people dming you spoilers.
Edit: looks like someone might have spoiled some bits so watch out.
IByrdl ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:52:32 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let's hope he was doing a rewatch. But who starts a rewatch in the middle of a seasonal airing?
I mean, isn't that just a personal thing? I'm rather certain I'd be able to do it in the middle of the ongoing season and still not be confused. Just as I'm sure there are people who probably prefer not to.
The show is pretty tame with almost no one dying and nothing happening, but it gets good if you wait until you meet everyone's favorite character, Olly.
labatomi ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 10:08:23 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)*
Oh man. He's awesome. Even has his own subreddit so you know his the shit!
I just finished binge watching to catch up on the show. It took me a few years to get over not enjoying the first few episodes, but the show does pick up nicely.
One season, I think 5(?), was really not my thing. I was getting really bored again and found a lot of it very forced, but the last season did a good job of making up for it.
It... it gets better. Trust me. It gets much better than Season 1. Basically across the board.
Season 1 is dense and confusing and boring, but necessary. It's so, so worth it, once they finish building up the world and all the people in it that they're gonna deliciously, savagely ruin.
Edit: Jeez, apparently a lot of people prefer 'intrigue' over dragons and vengeance... Go figure. <_<
Its like the end of a rpg game where you stop caring about every npc and jusy fast travel everywhere to finish the story.
ciberaj ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:18:22 on August 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
just fast travel everywhere to finish the story
That's pretty much the summary of last episode.
Jon: "We'll bring you a zombie"
appears on the wall
Jon: "Now let's find a white walker"
suddenly encounters a whole army of white walkers
Jon: "Holy shit, Gendry, go send a raven, we're fucked"
Gendry appears on the wall
Gendry: "Send a raven"
Daenerys instantly receives a raven
Daenerys: "Holy shit I have to help them"
Suddenly appears beyond the wall where the party is, nevermind having to look for them, just fly straight
Jon: "Everyone get the fuck out, I'm fucked"
They all get the fuck out and suddenly appear on the wall
Daenerys: I can't go without Jon
Jon suddenly appears
They all appear on a boat
End
Things that used to take a whole season now just happen in a single episode. I like it because we don't have to watch infinite boring arcs waiting for a reward but the take away is that it seems told by a 5 year old.
Florac ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:47:37 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's like they hired writers from the WB to write the dialogue.
Cebolla ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:46:05 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)*
the weird decision to try and inject corny humor and the 10 minute long montage of the bed pans in the first or second episode....was pretty brutal...
edit;; since this getting comments. i don't think the season is bad by any standard, i think the writing has taking a bad hit and so has the direction. i'm going to keep watching it of course, but there are just nuances in the episodes very lacking that were done so masterfully before.
It is still good. Don't let the hate get you down.
AJV453 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:17:21 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Personally, season 4 is my favorite overall with season 6 having two of my favorite episodes.
I think people are nostalgic of the slow, clever politics which has taken a backseat to more action. You can hardly fault the show for that though, we are at the climax after all. If the entire show was witty quips from Tyiron and Jon arguing with his superiors then it would get boring fast.
No it's the plot armor, unrealistic travel times, and stupid plans that people hate about the new season
ciberaj ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:09:38 on August 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love everything that's happening on paper. If someone was telling me the plot of the season so far I would be fucking amazed, it's the execution that sucks. Daenerys has been pretty cringeworthy since the start of the season, they're trying to make her look badass and all grown up but the fact is that Emilia is a horrible actress and it's just really sad they can't get someone else to play Daenerys this far in the series.
-Teki ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:33:19 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In my opinion, season 1 is the best, with season 2 as a very close second, and then it just slowly declines until i found myself a bit disinterested last season. It doesn't help that they keep killing the interesting characters either.
Which ones were the interesting characters? I think pretty much all my favourites have survived, so far... with one notable exception that I will avoid spoiling, but whose last words we all quoted repeatedly after it happened. >_>
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 12:00:41 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's probably referring to the High Sparrow, Olenna, Margaery, and Littlefinger who dies in the next ep.
Why the fuck did I read this thread? Could have known it would contain spoilers.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:08:59 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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glider97 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:31:06 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder what makes you spew spoilers that you know nobody wants to listen to. I wonder if it is because you're lonely, or you want attention, or it just makes you hard.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:24:55 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, I have no idea whether these are correct or not. Can't be a spoiler if I don't even know if they're accurate.
glider97 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:03:45 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then why spew lies? I just want to know what you get out of it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:15 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, I'm confident they're real, I just can't say for certain.
glider97 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:31:25 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But why do you want to spoil it for others? What's in it for you?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:20:24 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought it was smug to order someone to delete his comment to avoid spoilers when he was just as susceptible to getting spoiled.
glider97 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:31:16 on August 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Really? How was that smug? IMO, what you did was even more smug.
A saying that I'm pretty sure is going to be their ruin. The Iron Throne is propped up by the Iron Bank, and if Cersei really has paid off all their loans, the Iron Bank no longer has a vested interest in her sitting the throne.
They've been working on and have demo footage for Age of Empires Definitive Edition and apparently even playable campaigns but you need to be in the beta program where you agree not to disclose that kind of information (whoops, guess some people didn't read)
I wouldn't be surprised at all if they had core concepts and a game engine down and were nailing down some campaigns right now. I'd suspect they're in the middle of the alpha stage where some textures or map entities/triggers may be missing so it's not "camera ready" but it's still technically playable.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:55:51 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)*
In my experience, if a company is showing a trailer without gameplay, USUALLY, they're fairly certain what they have is an incomplete, but mostly playable version of what the game is envisioned to be. You don't start seeing gameplay trailers until content starts hitting release quality, and that may still be a few months off from that. Either way though, if they're announcing, it means they likely have an internal release timeline, and may have 1 or 2 release dates picked out, depending on how things go
Yeah, if you have enough manpower you can make games pretty fast, especially if you made the game 3 times already.
Ringosis ยท 83 points ยท Posted at 09:54:56 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)*
a) There are likely no salvageable assets from any of the previous games that would be high enough quality to use
b) You'd hope they aren't just making the same game again
c) Manpower only increases production speed to a point. You can't have a million coders writing a line of code each
It is VERY unlikely that this game wasn't at some stage in development before Gates was asked about it.
PRGuy720 ยท 55 points ยท Posted at 10:08:37 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An analogy I heard is that 9 women can't make a baby in 1month.
DrJKirby ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 10:29:03 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, if a man and a woman make a baby in 9 months, and 9 men and 9 women make 9 babies in 9 months, the monthly baby average works out to be 1 baby/ month using 9 pairs of breeders
rebrain ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 11:34:02 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You don't even need 9 men, let's increase efficiency and have just one. Need just 1.11 people to make a baby a month
Which brings us to the importance of existing infrastructure. If you already had a baby pipeline of 9 women staggered a month apart, you would only average only have a to wait 2 weeks for a new baby.
It's actually the reason why the US continues to produce top of the line tanks and planes and ships, even though they have nobody to fight. Because when a war starts, they don't want to have to wait the proverbial 9 months for that baby.
They can't make a single baby, regardless of the timeframe.
Seatings ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:38:29 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's also likely that he didn't know that. But by simply having Bill Gates ask the question it kicked production up.
Gbiknel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:14:33 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's being made by Relic, which did company of heros. They've got a history making good RTS games so they should have some internal knowledge to speed development. That said, they should take their time because this could turn into a gold mine if they do it right.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 10:34:01 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
^ Found the Project Manager.
Short answer: No you cannot. Mythical Man month.
Valmond ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 10:05:41 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think it works that way...
The last opus was live 12 years ago, I don't think old forgotten code will help neither the graphics from that time.
Source: have been game dev.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:07:48 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It seems like all the replies to this are not getting the humour.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:10:12 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think anyone got your joke. As the list maker seems to have proved.
I'd guess far enough along that they have a fairly certain release timeline internally. It'd guess that gameplay is where they want it to be, but it may not visually be up to their bar yet. Either that, or it is, and marketing just wants to tease us a bit. It's hard to tell.
FabioGNR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:48:54 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh wow 2 months ago already. Thanks!
ihahp ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:44:21 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, BillG has awesome handlers. I am pretty sure in the AMA, when LeClick asked about Age Of Empires, he had one of his team see if it's in development at all, and when he found out it was, he posted his "Ill look into it" reply.
Then someone else reminded him ... He's a pretty sharp guy, and I think he's pretty genuine, but he's got people whose job it is to do this for him, I'm pretty sure.
santsi ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:17:01 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's fair. I personally see no point in entertaining such fantasies, but if other people do that's alright.
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 11:58:07 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)*
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ToddGack ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 12:26:00 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was upvoted to the front page of /all. Pretty sure people are taking the title literally.
Alfrredu ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:49:42 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean it's a mythical game saga.. Unless the game is a turd is gonna sell a lot..
what if good old bill really liked that game and that comment reminded him of it so he decided to spend money on developing a new one basically for his own benefit though
No. Not those, I said the replies but tbh if you're selectively ignoring them whats the point. I'm talking of all the "Well he's a billionaire, he could easily do this" and "I imagine he sat down with folks and got it pushed through" or "Maybe not him but definitely other execs who were reading the AMA".
There's plenty in here and in the replies to my original comment in exactly that tone.
Actually you can. For the amount of attention his comment got, it's clear that the market is receptive to a new installment in the series.
Ringosis ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 09:57:27 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)*
To be fair, were talking about a guy who routinely gives away tens of billions of dollars. It wouldn't be outside his ability or character for him to just make a game for a guy because he felt like it.
Edit - To all the people downvoting me and telling me he's not Willy Wonka...when I pointed out his charitable acts I wasn't suggesting it was an indication he might just pay to have the game made...I was pointing out that he's generally fairly altruistic and it wouldn't be wildly out of character for him to go and look into the feasibility of making AOE4 if someone asked him about it. Bill Gates is known to be a gamer, maybe he liked AOE, maybe Microsoft Studios had just finished a title, maybe Bill Gates walked in an started asking about AOE4, maybe on the back of that they looked into how financially viable it was and decided it was a good idea.
I do NOT think it's likely that that comment had anything to do with the start of development, I was taking issue with this specific guys attitude, trying to lord it over people by calling them naive for believing this story. It is ENTIRELY possible that it could have happened. His attitude that "You guys are all idiots because companies don't make investments based off reddit comments" is just idiotic...no one suggested that they did. I doubt anyone over the age of 6 was sitting here thinking that if Bill Gates walked into the developers and said "MAKE AOE4" that they'd drop everything and do it...but if you think that Bill Gates has NO influence or that he couldn't have done this...you're as dumb as those 6 year olds.
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 10:10:35 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe he gives away money mostly for humanitarian reasons though, pleasing some spoiled first world geeks ain't really in his scope is it?
dkey1983 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 11:16:01 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, he gives it away to solve malaria. He's not Willy Wonka.
Ringosis ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 11:26:22 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Read my comment below. I'm not suggesting he'd make a game out of charity, but he is more than capable of getting the ball rolling on a project like this if he was in any way inclined.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:35:03 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you mental? Do you seriously believe that is how corporate decisions of public listed companies are taken?
Posid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:51:45 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm betting that a majority of people on Reddit never held a job in a publicly traded company and so they have no idea how they actually work. It's not out of malice or stupidity, it's just ignorance.
Wouldn't surprise me if a majority of Reddit especially in the big subreddits are kids/students/unemployed adults.
Ringosis ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:08:00 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No I'm not mental. I'm not suggesting he's privately funding AOE4. I'm suggesting that it's Bill Gates, his company has games studios, it has the rights to the franchise, it was an exceptionally successful game, a few old strategy titles have been doing pretty well recently.
What I believe is that if Bill Gates, on a whim, walked into Microsoft Studios and said, "What about making AOE 4?" because someone asked him to, it would be more than enough to get the ball rolling on production of that title, not specifically because Bill Gates told them to, but because they would probably go away, look into the feasibility of the project and realise that it's actually likely to do well.
I do NOT believe this is what happened. It seems very likely to me that the game was already in production (as I've said in this very thread), the point I was making is that it would absolutely not be outside the realms of possibility that someone asking Bill Gates for AOE4 could have ended up in the development of AOE4.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:05:07 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even as a hypothesis that is mental and is completely at odds with how companies work.
Posid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:54:40 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)*
What I believe is that if Bill Gates, on a whim, walked into Microsoft Studios and said, "What about making AOE 4?"
I get where you're coming from, but it would still take a lot longer than 1 year to have an actual product. I get that you're saying you don't believe it either so we're really on the same page here :)
He could set the gears in motion, but you still need someone to follow the standard operating procedures which likely means that someone would have to make a business case, then the business case would have to go several levels of approvals depending on the amount of investment that it requires. Then you'll have a shit ton of meetings about it with all kinds of different people and MAYBE 6 months later you have an approved business plan with resources allocated.
Nothing in the corporate world moves so fast that you could take an idea from the inception stage and have a finished product in a year(for a project actually requiring resources, it's obviously different if we're talking about smaller projects.).
Zakaru99 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:45:01 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nothing in the corporate world moves so fast that you could take an idea from the inception stage and have a finished product in a year
I agree with you, but this isn't a finished product in a year. This is announcing a plan to sell a product that is still in production.
Ringosis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:01:11 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Look at my other comments. I'm well aware. I just didn't like this guys attitude.
wOlfLisK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:24:01 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
1 year from beginning development to announcing the game isn't that quick. There's not even a release date yet, it could easily be another year or two until we get to play it.
Of fucking course they were. I can't believe people here are this stupid and think that comment had anything whatsoever to do with the development of the game.
I mean, what else was he supposed to say? โOh, no, we shall never develop another game! Thank you for asking."? Jesus Christ.
flipbits ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:34:39 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, he could have just not answered the question and no one would have had second thoughts.
Ringosis ยท 72 points ยท Posted at 09:51:24 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can't believe this is not top comment. Games don't go from nothing to trailer in under a year. This game was already being made. Someone asked Bill Gates to make a game, he either didn't know the game was already in production or spotted a nice opportunity to look good....went away, came back, announced the game that would have been announced anyway had the AMA not taken place.
Awwtist ยท 61 points ยท Posted at 11:40:10 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you WATCH the trailer? There was no game play footage, and half the trailer was concept art for AOE 3.
Ringosis ยท -18 points ยท Posted at 11:44:19 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't actually. I assumed it was an actual trailer from the way people were going on about it. Still seems very unlikely this was anything other than coincidence and marketing though.
Awwtist ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 11:47:08 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's just a bunch of art (that easily could have been pulled from previous games) slapped together with a narrator.
HCrikki ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:01:42 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It wasnt meant to showcase anything though. Doesnt mean that progress hasnt been significant enough they're confident development will reach completion to a decent standard.
I assume most people understand it's a joke. Gates stepped down as CEO 17 years ago, and stepped down as chairman 3 years ago. He doesn't have any say on what games Microsoft makes.
Board members don't have that kind of power. Bill Gates works full time at his foundation. He isn't going to spend his precious time trying to pressure microsoft over a game to please reddit.
lol, have you ever worked a job where you have regular access to the board? I have and let me tell you, when a board member wants something, it gets done.
Who do you think the president of your company reports to?
Ninja edit: I don't believe that Bill actually advocated for this game.
They had ideas for AOE 4 and AOE 5 while making AOE 3, It just wasn't readily accessible info cause it was from an image in a Concept Art Book that came with the AOE 3 Collectors edition.
Look up Timesplitters: Rewind. Bunch of fans got the go ahead to legally use the IP under creative commons. It's not in a playable state just yet but it looks like they're getting close.
Ringosis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:01:40 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Timesplitters is a relic of a different era. It would not update well. Just take a look at the modernisation of Golden Eye. They aren't great.
Those games, Timesplitters, Golden Eye, Perfect Dark, etc, were amazing at the time because they were effectively creating a genre, shit no one had ever seen before, they were exciting and new...not anymore. Nowadays even average games have tighter controls and game mechanics. And it's not like Timesplitters setting or plot were anything to write home about...the whole thing was basically designed to allow them to just throw in anything as characters or enemies. If you tried to make that now it'd seem VERY generic. It'd be lost in the sea of multiplayer FPS games with whacky characters that there is now.
DrJKirby ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 10:33:21 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't reckon they'll make a new one, because the first one was too expensive. But, what Id do is remove doubt. It was always doubt that made it weird, because that was purely based on facial expressions, not evidence. If we could choose either to believe them or accuse them of lying, and have to provide evidence for the latter, then they wouldn't need to be so detailed in facial expressions. Though, I suppose every game nowadays has excellent graphics (see WWE 2K18 photos), so perhaps it is cheaper. I really want it, as well. That was one of my favourite games to free roam in, even though there was hardly anything to do. They did a good thing with making free roam separate, so you'd be able to repeat all the crimes in progress.
How about a new LA Noire game where the protagonist doesn't randomly shout at suspects because the developers changed the dialogue options after the acting was already recorded?
Rashkh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:56:36 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
dlm891 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:09:05 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
LA Noire shouldve been a walking simulator, and not try to shoehorn in all these GTA style gun battles, car chases, and its absurd scoring system for interrogation. Unfortunately, it was released just before walking simulators became popular.
[deleted] ยท 243 points ยท Posted at 08:07:32 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To support Reddit. Every time you buy gold you help keep the lights on, no matter who its for.
Reddit Gold is worthless to users, but to Reddit it's part of the bottom line that keeps this entire hub running. Giving Bill Gates gold is like wiping Jesus's feet with your hair - it's kind of weird, but you never know, maybe Jesus was actually having a really shitty day that day and the weird hair chick cheered him up. Maybe even Bill Gates needs the imaginary internet hugs sometimes.
I guess Reddit Gold is a bit like human kindness. If you stop for long enough to ask whether the person you were about to wholeheartedly give it to is worthy enough to deserve it, you're kind of a dick.
It means they aren't relying on paying the bills through Gold. You don't spend tens of millions to get paid back with $3.99/month subscriptions for .01% of the userbase.
Ah of course, I mean any business that relies on the kindness of strangers has to get a lot more pushy about it. The gold reminds us that reddit is made of people. I'm sure at some point Conde Nast will fuck it all up and we will end up somewhere else, but, for a while, it was good here. Gold was part of that.
Doelago ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 13:15:48 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reddit Gold is worthless to users
No it is not! I was having a really bad day a few weeks back and receiving a Reddit gold for a post I made brought a smile to my face and saved my evening.
I agree with what you said. Except the the insinuation that wiping your hair on someone's feet is something you should do without really considering whether that person deserves it.
But hey, what do I know. I dont know where you are from or what your customs are, so go wipe your hair on peoples feet. I am sure they will all appreciate it. Dont be a dick.
Cmon, it's reddit. It could get a lot weirder than hair and feet. I was just grabbing an example at random. My point is that we're all weirdos and we should try and be nice to each other.
Also I'm guessing the hair wiping lady asked first, I mean it's not in the bible, but Jesus seemed to have a fair number of friends around who would probably have saved him from the whole foot/ hair situation if he wasn't cool with it.
rebrain ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 11:38:00 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because it's a sign of appreciation that supports the community by supporting Reddit
bcrabill ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 12:01:20 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why do people act like receiving gold has anything to do with your wealth? It's about showing appreciation and supporting reddit. It's basically worthless to the recipient, but a nice a gesture.
spaiydz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:31:15 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why do people give credit to Bill Gates? He had nothing to do with the announcement and as far as we know nothing to do with AoE4's development.
Valmond ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 10:16:24 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because after being one of the biggest a*holes and became the richest person in the world, people forget about the former and want to be on the train with good 'ol Billy.
flipbits ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:37:23 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
its ok you can say asshole on reddit, and i doubt he was ever an asshole, just a ruthless business man
Valmond ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:09:00 on August 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well I'm hoping for modern warfare, with the first age being WWI. then as you upgrade through the ages you go through WWII, Vietnam, the gulf and finish were we are now.
niini ยท 81 points ยท Posted at 08:27:50 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly prefer the ancient warfare games, hope they rehash and expand those :)
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 11:30:33 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's 2017. You don't think they can do both? Start from the Stone Age and through linked campaigns get all the way to modern. That sounds amazing.
Asaroz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:03:44 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You should Play Empire earth then. Classic RTS with exactly what you asked for. Awesome game
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:08:56 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love Empire Earth. Rise of Nations also had something similar going on. But neither had anything on AoE.
I was a big RTS guy.
jb2386 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:48:47 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure they will unless it's like Empire Earth and spans all history. They haven't even released AoE definitive edition. Why would they make a new game that competes with themselves? So that's my theory. It's all ages or modern age.
niini ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:02:58 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
y would they make a new game that competes with themselves?
because that's pretty much what a sequel is
jb2386 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:15:19 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They don't release a sequel at the same time as the original though.
Pretty much. It would be nice if they had AoE2+Conquerors the same game but based on today's technology. It's hard to top perfection, but if the game doesn't operate on supported operating systems, it's junk. Wireless LAN sessions would be a dream.
I was thinking, IF this new one is modern warfare, they are releasing the first remastered, and the second and third too, so technically there's a new game for each time period, would please most people, I mean, this could be the plan.
You forget the part where the audio is saying, pretty obviously, that, "...there is a new age upon us," after going through art and stuff detailing the past three games and expansions.
But how much time is missing between AOE2 and 3. The original poster in AOE2 manual showed a soldier with what looked like an m16 for AOE4 so I think Vietnam era warfare will feature if they stick with that plan.
They may well won't though as its been so long since the last game. They may well have changed their plan, but going by the trailer it did seem to hint at a new age.
Empire earth was great but went from cave men all the way into the future.
The original plan for AOEs was always an ancient, middle ages, colonial, modern and then a future game.
I prefer it that way as none of the ages are rushed and can be fleshed out a little more.
If you want to nuke your ancient age neighbours then go ahead and play empire earth or civ. Both great games but not AOE.
I'm hoping for a combination of eras. The artwork in the trailer seemed to imply a much wider focus, so I'm thinking instead of the trend of moving up through the ages with each sequel, instead it'll be something more like Civilization where you start in the ancient era and work your way through.
Could make for some long matches, but I'd love that.
To be fair microsoft also is at the forefront of a lot of innovations nobody wants to give them credit for. For example they had tablets first, zune was an objectively better product in nearly every single way, and they got people buzzing about motion capture devices with the kinect. They're doing alright, they just take a lot of risks that turn out to be flops that nobody likes (Edge, windows mobile, vista... etc.)
squirvel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:56:15 on August 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Vista is the backbone of Windows 7, 8, and in part 10. Intel more or less screwed vista up with"vista capable"
Yeah what I was trying to get at though is it was buggy as hell during its initial launch and it took a while for fixes to get out. Many companies skipped it all together because of the myriad of problems it caused.
I heard some group of fans has reproduced that whole game totally for free, I hope someone can help me with a link to the project?
in_situ_ ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 10:00:24 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's called Forgotten Empires. The "fans" who made it are now the official developers of Age of Empires 2 HD on Steam.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 10:30:59 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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BleuAzur ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:24:01 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not exactly Age of Empires, but for people that are interested in similar free fan-made games, I can recommend 0 A.D. It's got a similar feel and gameplay and it's such a great game overall !
Coh2 released with only two factions. The other 3 have to be purchased separately. AFAIK the starter factions tend to be considered weaker than the others(someone correct me if im wrong).
Each faction has commanders that you can choose which also change how you play(different abilities, different units). Commanders are also purchased separately or unlocked through grinding.
Hobzy ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 08:17:36 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
COH1 released with only two factions too. Had to get the other 2 through (dlc) expansions. The balance in COH2 isn't too bad either, and you always get complaints about certain tactics or units. But yeah DLC/microtransaction scheme for the COH2 is atrocious. Also the limited mod support.
SC2 with WoL > HotS > LotV. Map packs don't really function for RTS games though just because of the way it's balanced. Races are usually balanced through changes in map design first and balance patches 2nd and most RTS games come with a built in mapmaker. In all honesty there haven't been really much released in the RTS genre since SC2 first came out.
Sheather ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:14:28 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Borrow" heroes from MOBAs?
EnigmaNL ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:12:30 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Borrow the concept of heroes. Along with having to buy them. Like Dawn of War 3.
Sheather ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:02:07 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Heroes have been in RTS before MOBA games were even a thing, though. MOBAs were created because a modder utilised the concept of heroes from an RTS into a custom map and made some of his own, progressively adding new and interesting mechanics.
Heroes of Might and Magic, and the Warcraft series really bring them to the fore.
EnigmaNL ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:05:10 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know but recently they started making them more similar to modern MOBA heroes than to the old RTS in terms of gameplay. They have a bigger effect on gameplay than heroes in WC3 and the way you buy them is similar to MOBAs too.
MOBAS came from RTS and heroes evolved more in the MOBA genre and now they're making their way back into RTS. We've come full circle I guess.
Sheather ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:05:19 on August 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's very likely AoE4 will be buy to play, I havn't heard of any game being pay to unlock factions(outside of expansion packs, which are generally reasonable)
EnigmaNL ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:13:32 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Company of Heroes 2 and Total War Warhammer had DLC factions.
True, but, though it might not be "right," that is the Paradox development style; make a game, see if it's popular, and then release dlc and 'proper' expansions until the interest dies off. Though the dlc's are mostly cosmetic, I think that the expansions are usually worth it due to how much they add.
For most any given Paradox game you can make the claim that, "large parts of the game are blocked behind a pay pal," however, the game on its own is usually good enough, and the expansions merely add to that. The same can be said for Civ. 5 and its expansions.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:10:00 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
and i can't make head or tail of its interface
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 09:19:27 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only if it were initially free, which is the entire reason clash of clans has them. If it was a 60 dollar game it wouldn't.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:29:07 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, back in the day they just gathered all the additions onto a CD-ROM and released it as what archaeologists have termed an "Expansion Pack" for near full-price. It also broke compatibility, splitting the multiplayer community.
I'm all for summarily executing anyone guilty of riddling a game with micro-transactions (looking at you, Valve), but just adding new civilizations in updates and making them playable through the purchase of DLC is fine by me, so long as they aren't stupidly overpowered, making the game P2W.
What really rustles my jimmies is developers trying to have their cake and eat it too, like Paradox are doing with Crusader Kings 2, for example. They release complete expansions every now and again, adding playable areas and new ways to play, but they also split out cosmetic updates that by all rights should be free into small, individually-purchased DLC packages.
I remember when Oblivion's Horse Armor DLC got the entire internet pissed off with how they charged like ten buckaroos for what was so insubstantial that it should have been released for free on nexusmods. Little did we know that it was but a taste of things to come.
Okay here's the deal. If you want a game to last forever then it needs a monetization model that lasts forever. If you pay a flat price and get the game that's good, but to pay for a team devoted to updates, bug fixes etc. requires money. NO game is perfectly bug-free and balanced on release. Microtransactions keep a game alive much longer than it would with the standard model. This allows for a more balanced game and a better competitive scene.
With a game like AoE it's pretty easy to see expansions and factions sitting behind a paywall, but other than that maybe cosmetics? RTS is not an easily monetized genre. People have said collectable heroes, and it's something I could certainly see. Personally I could see something like skill trees that you set up before a match and you could pay for extra slots for different strategies or something along those lines.
Maybe they'll find something creative that most people won't object to, but ultimately you should expect every large studio game for the foreseeable future to have some form of money generation outside of the initial release. It's too effective for studios to ignore.
EnigmaNL ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 11:47:06 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A game cannot last forever and it doesn't need to.
The reason why every modern triple A game has additional cash grabbing in it is this: greed.
Games used to be successful and profitable without microtransactions and tons of DLC, they just wanted them to be even more profitable.
A lot of money isn't enough for them, they want all of the money. Profit maximization is the name of the game. Unfortunately games and gamers have to suffer as a result. It is one of the more disgusting aspects of capitalism.
This mentality is pretty cynical. All developers have an obligation to their investors to show maximum profitability while also trying to make an enjoyable game and achieving their vision. There's no reason to treat game companies like they don't have obligations to make money, they are businesses after all.
Why do people label everything as greed nowadays? It's not like gaming is really expensive, we aren't racing yachts out here guys. It's like 15 bucks for the most expensive dlc. That's literally 1-2 uber rides.
snoblitz ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 08:45:24 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey Bill, can you please run for president?
Ivanstyg ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 09:26:58 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A large part of the appeal of Bill Gates is that we can project our own beliefs onto him. If he ran for President, that would no longer be possible.
Honestly, it's very hard to judge how much Bill Gates actually had to do with this decision, or that it just lined up with Microsoft's interest.
Microsoft wants people to start using the Windows 10 store, and it would make business sense to create a sort of "killer app" for it. In this case, Aoe4, and a remake of Aoe 1 - 3. They could possibly also be trying to to get a strong esports presence, and it would make sense to pick up Age of Empires as Aoe2 has had a strong competitive scene despite not having official support for 6 years (and having minimal support for longer).
Also I feel like by simplifying it to "Gates asked for it" you're minimizing the effort put in by the community, and the developers of Aoe2:HD. They showed that there's still interest in a Age of Empires game in 2017, and that it would still make business sense to create one.
Tldr; Gates might not be the (only) reason why this happened.
sseebbee ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 10:27:43 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)*
They could possibly also be trying to to get a strong esports presence
I hope they make it an old school RTS style like starcraft. Problem is, those games aren't really popular anymore in a competetive scene. Just look at starcraft, it has declined in the past 3-4 years where competitive gaming have gone up. A lot of speculations for this are because they are harder to just jump into and understand compared to MOBA and FPS.
I however would love for it to be competitive and old school. Just don't want people to get their hype up.
AlexisFR ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 11:01:59 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Competitive scene? Hell, there is not a single recent RTS still alive at all outside of SC2 and maybe Wargame in a way.
They all died months after release.
sseebbee ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 11:18:33 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They all died months after release.
SC2 peaked in hearts of the swarm but started to decline after that. (towards the end of 2013 it started to decline and it was released in 2010). At least in western world, in korea it's still huge.
AlexisFR ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:28:39 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
By dying I meant there no more than 50 people "playing" it and there isn't any update because they didn't sold more than 100k copies.
sseebbee ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:37:38 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They all died months after release.
Ohh sorry I missunderstood you, thought you meant that even SC2 and Wargame died after a few months.
But yeah reading your comment correct you are correct.
RavarSC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:03:01 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Esports wise SC2 definitely peaked in popularity during WoL
cdiddy2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:24:31 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
not true! AOE2 has had a healthy competitive scene restarting in around 2012 and is also in the top 50 most played on steam http://store.steampowered.com/stats/
Preach brother! I would love an old fashion competitive RTS. Are you into the Aoe2 competitive scene?
Although I don't think it's the complexity. I remember day 1 overwatch, when everyone was new to the game, people were telling blizzard "it's a great game, but can we get a setting to tone down the effects?" And a moba team fight is really hard to follow as a person new to the game, you gotta know what all these hero/champion/whatever are and what skills they do to even understand it.
Maybe we need a new, old fashioned rts to really revitalize the scene for it.
sseebbee ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:58:06 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sadly no, I'm to busy with RL and other games.
I read quite a bit of study on this actually and they spoke a lot of the difference being in SC2 for example, there is so much more going on with builds, different units and tactics that makes it hard to get into and follow properly.
In Overwatch and moba, the champions have a set amount of skills and are seen over and over and over again making it much easier to learn what they do. And in a clusterfuck fight you don't really need to know what is going on as long as you see who is dying. And in general everyone know 3>2 in a fight so it's easier to make your own conclusions on how things are going to play out. While in SC2, one army can have twice the size but still get smashed and that is what makes it so confusing.
Can't find it sadly but it has to do something with how humans think and obtain information that makes those easier to follow.
seanmg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:59:15 on August 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To call a MOBA a game you can just jump into and understand is about as far from the truth as you can get.
sseebbee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:06:09 on August 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Indeed, I meant harder not hard. Fixed it, thanks.
The point though was if you compare the skill floor for SC and League or Dota, they are quite huge. If you watch a few moba games you can get into it with a very basic understanding of how to play and win. However I have seen people watch SC2, play it and have absolutely no idea wtf is going on.
And being able to play the game you are watching is contributing a huge part to that scene. So now when SC have become "starcrafted" (low playerbase with pretty much anyone who plays it knows what they are doing) have killed the western scene.
seanmg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:27:50 on August 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I get the point you're making, but I don't know if I'd agree. That being said, I could have a bias. I've been involved with the pro SC2, and dota scenes. I ran some leagues and tournaments for both starcraft and Dota2 a few years back. MOBA's are the hardest games to watch and understand. Starcraft isn't horrible as long as you aren't trying to follow a player.
sseebbee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:37:09 on August 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I used to play both games quite serious (without aim for pro). I started both from watching and then starting to play. In SC2 sure it can be easy if you just see A is using X unit and is killing B that has Y units. But then if you would try to mimic it, it's close to impossible. Everyone I ever played SC with ha to study the game outside, learn builds, timings, unit comp ect.
In Dota I watched it, got the general understanding of how the game works, lane, farm, push, do objectives. How to execute was just play and learn by doing. Builds I could do a quick lookup and just get a generalisation of about what to get and adapt to what they have. And same things are in LoL as well, I still play it with friends who are all self taught in it, but never experienced the same way with SC2.
And just to stay a tad on topic, being able to play what you are watching are a huge part of esport. I honestly doubt it would be close as big as it is, if you weren't able to play it. Same way with sports, majority of people played some sport when they were younger, and the people who didn't do it as much don't have the same interest in it.
Microsoft wants people to start using the Windows 10 store
They already tried a few years ago and failed horribly. Remember Gaming for Windows Live? They even gave away copies of AoE3 when it was relatively new just to get people to use their store.
Well they are going to use the new MS file format thing so it will only run on 10. But it's mostly just to push their store and OS more like they did with dead rising 4 being locked to windows 10 for a few months.
MaugDaug ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 08:29:30 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So uh... how about a new Red Alert?
niuguy ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 12:14:18 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dammit, now Death March is in my head.
omyn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:31:09 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then it's very very unlikely you will see another one. Lately all the IP's they bought up just come back as shitty web or cell phone games. I mean just look what they did to poor dungeon keeper.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:39:07 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If they released any of the classics (Command & Conquer, Tiberian Sun, Red Alert 1/2) on iOS without any micro transaction shit I would be very very happy.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:39:07 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If they released any of the classics (Command & Conquer, Tiberian Sun, Red Alert 1/2) on iOS without any micro transaction shit I would be very very happy.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:54:06 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was going to ask for half life 3, but that'll do, too.
[deleted] ยท 57 points ยท Posted at 07:59:17 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)*
Windows 10 + Windows store exclusive doesn't exactly scream big bucks though. "Only" roughly 50% of all PC gamers use Windows 10 and the PC market is owned by Steam. You're right though of course.
Aenna ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 10:15:51 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean no reason it can't be both man..
Seytoux ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 06:08:11 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
New Fable series coff coff
Perryn ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 06:12:43 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You'd give Molyneux another shot?
Seytoux ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 06:16:32 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you are referring to F3, I would back trace a little and continue in the direction the first two were going. I didn't finish the third but I didn't love it (play up to I think the first quarter), but it's an amazing game, lots of rpg elements in there, interaction with the npcs and world manipulation, great lore and weirdness. That's IMO, i remember having a great time as a kid, what do you think?
LandenP ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 06:49:10 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I remember playing the living shit out of the first one. It wasn't even a particularly deep RPG but I loved the cartoony silliness of it all. Combat was satisfying as well.
cg001 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:44:58 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This made me want to go back and play fable 1. So fable 2 and 3 are backwards compatible on Xbox one but not fable 1 or even fable anniversary. Shit sucks.
LandenP ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:49:35 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I still have my old Xbox and game and while it's been awhile since I booted it up, it should still work :P
cg001 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:52:38 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fable had some unique touches. I particularly liked the avatar interaction with other online players. Really useful for finding those damn goblins. The voice acting was good. Adrian the Whore will always be in my heart.
Fable 2 was amazing. Fable 3 was good. I never got all the fable 3 hate. I completely agree the last 1/3 of the story line feels completly rushed, like it just jumps you from scene to scene. But overall I enjoyed it. I think the hate came from people that played the main quest pine only and then felt ripped off when the last 1/3 of the story just was shoved into 10 minutes. For me I spent hours and hours dicking around and doing everything I possibly wanted before continuing (it literally tells you you can't go back after a certain part) so when I went into the final part I had all the gold and everything I needed. Overall I thought it was a good game. Although it had been a long time, might have forgotten some details.
I'd prefer they at least skipped out on the infinite mana of F2. Half the combat I can remember was spell spam just because it was so effective, never had the urge to approach a fight any diffetently.
Perryn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:10:42 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)*
My issue is that what I was told it would be was an open world Elder Scrolls type game with persistent time dependant changes. What I got was connect-the-dots maps and changes that were just sliders with little consequence. I'm not saying I was incapable of enjoying it, only that I would probably enjoy Molyneux's work more if he were kept muzzled and we only heard about features actually included in the final product. That would also let him try to focus on what he can actually put into the game instead of trying to keep up with his unfiltered imagination-mouth connection and then getting bored and moving on.
He has a great mind, but that mind needs a minder.
Fuck all the haters, the dude make Dungeon Keeper 1, aka the best PC game ever made. I'll always love him for that, doesn't matter if he makes one shitty unfinished game after another.
Specially one that contributed a great deal to the decline of the quality of online gaming as a whole through the popularization of automated matchmaking and MMR-type ratings in multiplayer team games.
This sounds pretty /r/iamverysmart tbh. I don't know how you can claim online gaming was somehow better before these things. Before matchmaking online games were wildly unbalanced and it was typically just one or two people stomping the others. The only half decent experience was if you were really good and joined specific groups where really good players played on specific servers. High quality experience my ass.
A simple criticism of the inaccuracy of individual MMR ratings in team based games sounds too smart for you?
Maybe that only highlights my point further... The fact that you, and these voters, don't understand the simple aspects of algebra to the point where you see nothing wrong with this is a shining example of why they get away with it and why it has made the quality of online gaming worse.
It's a matter of Degree of Freedom Analysis and no amount of your feelings will change the fact that current implementations of MMR using Win Rate alone on a team based games with changing players, objectively fails that and is therefore mathematically incapable of achieving the goals it claims.
This isn't really something you can argue against with your feelings. And I apologize if all of this sounds too "verysmart" for you. Or if I come off as abrasive, but I have been through these hoops before and I am past the point of frustration.
Maybe next time you should take some more effort to consider that some things that sounds 'smarter' than what you understand, are just that. And your wild claims of unbalanced games by comparison, are objectively shown to not only be incorrect but clearly pulled out of your ass, because no balance has actually improved.
The only half decent experience was if you were really good and joined specific groups where really good players played on specific servers.
You mean when you actually played with people closer to your skill level? And you could vote kick people you didn't want to play with? And you weren't forced into playing with trolls?
You want to know how I can claim online gaming was better in those days? Because I was actually there.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 10:11:45 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)*
zxcsd ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:44:05 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks.
Found that too by searching bill's username, just so frustrating not understanding what this hugely upvoted thread is on about and thinking I missed something.
More likely he didn't have to do anything at all. Senior management at Microsoft read his AMA thread and wondered, "Why aren't we doing an AoE sequel anyway?".
Source - Have worked in several games studios. Games are not greenlit because of bloody Reddit threads. For this to be announced now too means it almost certainly has been more than 1 year in production and pre-production. I say almost because I don't know for sure...its pretty much guaranteed to have been in development longer than a year.
He's trying to cure malaria in Africa. You honestly believe he's going to take time out for a game that honestly was just pretty good for the time it was made in it?
jjonj ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 10:57:56 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe he might take the time to meet up with an old friend at Microsoft that he wanted to get in touch with anyway or similarly
Person asks for something that is obviously going to happen at some point... thing happens... someone claims that this is because of the request and not because it was obviously going to happen at some point.
So "obviously" going to happen that it's was 11 years sinds AoE 3 without any indication 4 was coming.
I am not saying his comment had anything to do with it, but "obviously going to happen" is obviously bullshit.
ovoon ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 07:45:41 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
While it's definitely not "obvious", the huge success of Age 2 remastered, Age of Mythology remastered, and now the hype behind Age 1 makes it clear that this is a big property that Microsoft is just sitting on.
It would make more sense for us to get it now that people are starved for it, as opposed to the lack of buzz after Age 3 bombed, or the Age of Empires Online mess.
This is one of the many instances of "hardcore fan" nonsense about a game bombing because it wasn't exactly like the old games that they grew up loving. Any hint of change become "omg they ruuuined it!"
Just like all the "fans" who still insist Final Fantasy 12 was terrible and ruined the series, when the reality is it was one of the best received games of the franchise and its legacy has only grown in the years since.
It delayed it twice in my second post mentioning Half Life 3 because I mentioned Half Life 3 twice. All this waiting around for Half Life 3 is getting really depressing.
It changed so many core mechanics, biggest offenders being seriously dumbing down the economy and the home city/shipment mechanic which doesn't feel like it should be a part of an RTS game.
They changed too much in trying to make it new and exciting while also trying to keep it under the AoE franchise.
No drop off points, infinite farms/plantations provide infinite gold. All this reduces the importance of map control, late game you don't need to worry about finding safe wood to sustain farm eco.
Also if you do get pushed off of any resources at any point it's not as big of a deal because you aren't investing in any buildings to collect, you can simply move vills and start working again whereas in aoe1/2 if you get denied wood early and don't have the wood to build a new camp it really hurts you and rewards the opponent for strong offensive play.
Shipments of resources that you can spirit into the game and collect quickly further reduces the possibility of denying, and just increases the pace of the game arbitrarily in any case.
Restricting the number of town centres you're allowed to build just reduces the macro level for no reason at all. Similar with restricting where/how you can build for no reason, forwards are a big thing in aoe2 and in 3 you're just not allowed to do it....
ovoon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:49:07 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was a very controversial entry in the series. I played the series growing up with a bunch of friends, and we were all die hard fans until AoE3 came out. I've never met anyone in person who liked that game. The home base system really screwed all competitive balance in the game.
From what I recall hearing, Ensemble Studios said the game was originally meant to be a new IP, but Microsoft forced them to make it Age of Empires. Even the devs weren't quite happy with it.
That being said, even the people unhappy with it wouldn't necessarily call it a "bad" game. It was just a game that didn't live up to its expectations, nor is it still popular like AoE2 and Mythology are.
I played all the Age games from when they came out too. I loved the home base shipments, thought AoE3 was the best of the series, played somewhat competitively online for a couple years...
I guess I just don't get it. I mean I get it, but I just can't relate to not liking that aspect. It added a whole extra realm of strategy to the game.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:47:46 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)*
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ovoon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:44:43 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Age of Empires 1 remastered
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:04:53 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
After 3 there was online, then 2HD and recently announced 1HD, 4 was definitely going to happen.
It was very obviously going to happen indeed at some point. In fact I'm pretty sure at that point AoE 4 was already in the works, maybe in a very early stage though.
You think Microsoft was just going to sit on the franchise forever ?
Why not? it's pretty common for franchises to go away over time.
In my opinion nothing is obvious after already sitting on it for 11 years. It's like a coma. The longer it takes to come back the less likely it is going to happen.
And 11 years is a hella long time.
Can you explain why it was so obviously coming back "at some point" outside "just because"? Because after 11 years waiting it certainly is not industry standard.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 09:05:14 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Person asks for something that is obviously going to happen at some point...
This whole post is hindsight bias. Feel like I'm taking crazy pills with all these idiots believing Bill Gates actually did anything. Lots of naive children on Reddit I guess.
Dude Age of Empires 3 came out 1 year after Half-Life 2. Is it obvious to you that Half-Life 3 will be announced this year? Hell even ever? You let a series collect dust for over 10 years and people start to get the idea that it's abandoned. There was nothing obvious about Age of Empires IV being announced.
Look man, we have all been there. Finished freelancer, modded the crap out of it. And then tried to move on. Every similar game I played after an hour of playing the conclusion was: It's not freelancer.
I'm still pissed about the corn. I know it should be a little thing, but it's like Spielberg and the CGI walkie-talkies in E.T.
I honestly would have forgotten about if it wasn't executed so damn poorly. Meat was red, and it was easy to see how much food you had at a very quick glance.
But the corn is the same damn color temperature as the icons surrounding it. At least put some green on it ffs! Wood, food, and gold all look the same now.
This is now the top post on reddit. It will be recorded at /r/topofreddit with all the other top posts.
Scellow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:40:32 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Too bad it is Windows Store only, it'll be a commercial flop..
Crustyzz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:44:36 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)*
Actually the second answer was prior to the announcement of AoE4. There is a second thread where AoE definitive edition is announced and he mentions the redditor in question... I don't know where the thread is, but I'll find out
Rmccar21 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:27:22 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's the thing isn't it. We have a dream and no money and make excuses why it can't be done. Then when we get money we're too busy to carry out that dream. Bill Gates has carried out his dream and as a philanthropist continues to help others achieve theirs even if it's through a computer game.
TLDR: be more like Bill Gates.
m703324 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:32:33 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I asked Santa for winter to end at some point and it did!
rad0909 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:42:29 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ugh I really hope they are going to take it seriously for the hardcore RTS/AOE fans. That age of empires live/clash of clans bullshit they came out with a few years back was such an insult to the franchise.
Do you have to buy it through the Windows store? I can't stand the store. Even worse is having to use the Xbox app to play with friends and also having to enable apps notifications to even receive a party invite.
Wish they would use Steam or something better. Windows Store is a horrible user experience IMO.
tytbalt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:42:06 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD serious fangirling because this shit is what got me into gaming as a child
Age of empires is a very valuable franchise. Microsoft would be idiots not to cash in on releasing another version. It was just unclaimed money on the table. It was pretty much inevitable, regardless of AMA threads with Bill Gates.
uhhhh_no ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:55:36 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course he did.
The questioner, otoh, was a Microsoft plant doing some viral marketing for a project that was obviously already underway. With only a year of development, this was either already in the works or going to be buggy af coming out.
Stop jumping on the hype train. Don't celebrate, yet. AoE3 sucked.
bokan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:57:52 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My perception of Bill Gates has changed so much since the 90s. He used to be emblematic of exploitative capitalism and unnecessary wealth, but over time he's become this awesome philanthropist and overall cool guy. It's really a wild 180.
tnn21 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:08:27 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, I don't believe MS owns the licences on that one. It did get made into a miniclicks game but didn't do well. Sadly crimson skies will likely never return to the PC and we will never know the joy of jumping from one aircraft to another to punch the pilot out and steal his aircraft.
Bobinct ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:52:41 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sky pirates in zeppelins, in an alternative 1930's world. Is it too much to ask?
I'm right there with you, I own the books and old table top stuff from it. I want to see that IP come back in a big way, always hoped for a movie or something. Hell at this point just make it an MMO game like warthunder and have people join the different groups for jobs.
As spirit of the law recently reviewed the trailer, it looks like it is a complete departure from the earlier games. And the company developing it has made space oriented games. I hope this game doesn't suck.
Nope. They are more into futuristic hi tech space age shitz. AoE is medieval at best. AoE 3 was a shit show because they tried to modernize their basic idea. I hope there is someone with some brains on the team and doesn't go into the nuclear age or something.
This made me decide that I'll check out their booth at Gamescom.
I love a good backstory.
Speaking of an old man working on getting a long-loved franchise back in town, check out Shenmue 3's little meet and greet booth near Sega's booth at Gamescom (but actually hosted by Koch Media LUL)
It's amazing to finally have a chance to meet Yu and talk to him.
Very humble and kind man.
MTA__ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:45:31 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This happened like 6 months ago and was on best of.
mhpr262 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:03:44 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wish they would make a new version of "Hellbender", that shooter game that had a trial version on the "Windows 95" CD. Still a really cool game that I like to play.
Oh boy, what a surprise. The probable enevetability that a fortune 500 company will repeat what has in the past that made it good Money. Bravo, I'm glad to see people are surprised by this.
Please for the love of everything sacred dont let this "AoE 4" really end up being the complete AoE series remastered they announced during E3. Nobody wants that. We already have AoE 2 HD, AoE 3 still plays fine. And pretty much nobody cares about original AoE anymore. I want something brand new and spectacular that plays similar to AoE 2.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:31:36 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh good lord you are all insufferable. They didn't make a new AoE because someone on reddit asked.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:34:02 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ruler710 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:44 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yknow this was probably in the works before. I wouldn't be surprised of he actually looked tho. If i was in his shoes I'd be curious about what my company was up too in terms of ideas like videogames or tech.
Yeah but it's being made by the guys who fucked up Dawn of War and turned it into a MOBA except more annoying because you have to manually build the garbage creeps.
How can you even be sure that those 2 events are related? That's like me saying that the eclipse happened because I wore my lucky blue shirt on Monday.
Hate to break it you, but the game was probably already in the works. A stupid Reddit question didn't effect this. AMA s are just marketing stunts anyway.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:39:37 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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rylo151 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:53:01 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its right there in display settings, the first option after screen brightness is "change the size of text, apps and other items" it couldnt be much easier to find and use from the couch.
News has been out for several days now, but sure, why not follow the links you've seen multiple times now and karmawhore it into r/bestof? ยฏ\_(ใ)_/ยฏ
๐๏ธ Max_01 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 07:39:57 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hi there,
Just FYI I posted this the day it came out but it didn't send and was stuck on 'Post failed. Tap to retry'... which I only saw today. Hence the post.
Well if you're offering to buy me some fries then how can I even stay mad ๐ Just make sure they're nice ones though, don't you go cheaping out on me with those skinny-ass ones that Mcdonald's pedals out to their customers <3
๐๏ธ Max_01 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:07:19 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Couldn't agree more. I hate McDonald's fries. I'll get you some premium shit... don't worry
Well I'm convinced, you're good people. I like that quality in a random stranger that I spark a conversation with after whinging on the internet :p
Vipre7 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:51:34 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wish we knew if it was actually a result of a redditor asking Bill Gates or if Age of Empires 4 was already in the works. If they made 3 of them and each was wildly successful, why not 4?
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[deleted] ยท 5357 points ยท Posted at 04:55:52 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh bill Is there anything you can't do?
Sunspear52 ยท 9560 points ยท Posted at 05:54:20 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)*
Make Internet Explorer good.
Edit: Wow. I can't believe this is my first reddit gold. You never expect it to be the throwaway comment you think up in a second and then forget.
Obligatory thanks. This gold will be of great comfort when then Microsoft Death Squads come to take me.
Bill if you're reading this. At least let me play AO4 before you give the kill order. That's all I ask.
HooptyDooDooMeister ยท 2614 points ยท Posted at 05:59:39 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"I've finally made Internet Explorer perfect: I have killed it! Now check out the new Internet Expl--uh, I mean, Microsoft Edge!"
J50GT ยท 73 points ยท Posted at 12:16:54 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When looking at my website's visitor analytics, Edge is the fastest loading browser.
Quackmatic ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 22:38:09 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)*
Right, fair play to Edge, they actually got it right nearly at the start. It's a shame extensions took too long to come but now Edge is my daily browser on my laptop. It's way more power efficient than Firefox was, touch controls are fucking fantastic, and the new feature for setting tabs aside is great when I'm working on different versions of our internal website hosted in VMs. I only have three downsides with Edge:
PM_ME_FOR_A_FRIEND ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 00:49:21 on August 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Been trying Edge but too many nags.
Plenty of little things like that I'd like them to fix.
AbsoluteZeroK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:16:18 on August 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anybody know how the Dev tools are? I develop mostly on osx, but am curious how good their development tools are.
phrresehelp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:46:06 on August 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Get a process lasso and it will trim those hanged windows
DankDialektiks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:14:14 on August 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Need Windows Update for extensions (Windows Store requires it). I've disabled WU because it updates when I need to use it, and you can't choose what you install. Fucking garbage.
soggybiscuit93 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:29:24 on August 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Updates come out the second Tuesday of the month. Best practice is to have the most recent patches. If you don't have creators update, you're pretty far behind
billions_of_stars ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:20:00 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What about chrome?
Quackmatic ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:20:46 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seemed a bit more responsive, but uses way more RAM and absolutely flattens my battery.
billions_of_stars ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:21:57 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Chrome's a memory destroyer indeed.
Luckzzz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:51:54 on September 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Still "Edge" is the loser U2's guitarrist.. Look likes "Edge" sucks in all matters.. (Ok, the browser is fast but it doesn't have a lot of extensions yet.. Just useful in Win10 tablets - for the improved touch)
ChefBoyAreWeFucked ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:03:16 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's because it doesn't support any add-ons.
/s
nynedragons ยท 716 points ยท Posted at 06:29:12 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)*
I was in a thread a few months ago and there were like 5 people talking about how great Edge was. I was never more sure of /r/HailCorporate in action.
I told them the program is basically a computer virus and they never responded :-/
Edit: RIP my inbox. Some of you guys really like Edge apparently. Fair enough. I still think it's garbage.
stml ยท 1344 points ยท Posted at 07:11:45 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Edge is definitely usable nowadays. I still use Chrome for basically everything though.
Ishouldbepolite ยท 783 points ยท Posted at 07:19:56 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm back to Firefox, for some reason chrome just regularly shits the bed even with just a few tabs open on my system.
VegeKale ยท 258 points ยท Posted at 07:32:27 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Firefox and Chrome both won't work properly on my laptop, so I had to use Edge for a while. It was awful by comparison. I'm having good luck with Opera now though.
royalbarnacle ยท 1362 points ยท Posted at 07:40:46 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)*
Oh, Opera, like an ex-girlfriend from the distant past, that you dated for a long time and loved so so very dearly, until she developed a fanatical obsession in massively multiplayer online bingo, and did nothing but play that all day and night, never spoke to you or listened to you or did anything else. What happened to the one I loved, where is she now? Nothing remains of her but an occasional vestige of a hint of a shadow you might catch in her expression, on those rare occasions when you nostalgically browse the MMO Bingo championships website.
Edit: omg gilded, I never thought this day would come!
thefreecat ยท 587 points ยท Posted at 07:46:19 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You alright there?
SPZ_Ireland ยท 102 points ยท Posted at 12:04:01 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He survived but she never really did. Her obsession and addiction consumed her to the point where her family decided to stage an intervention. It didn't work, but after spending more and more time with her sister, he found a certain comfort in her that he hadn't experienced in some time.
They soon began an affair, which led to a relationship when he finally left his ex, which eventually led to a marriage between the two.
no_ragrats ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:38:02 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You alright?
sugarfreeyeti ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:20:34 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That sisters name? ...Abraham Lincoln
ZombieBarney ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:39:55 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Baberaham Lincoln?
avenp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:16:53 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean thats certainly one way to describe the switch to Webkit in Opera.
Copyright135 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:44:30 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If they broke up why did they get married? And what happened to the sister?
silverdevilboy ยท 172 points ยท Posted at 07:58:27 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Huh. I was so sure this was gonna end in 1998.
lipidsly ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 08:02:11 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How many tables did he smash through tho
jwoo2023 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:32:36 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You could smash through five or six tables, or just one.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:57:24 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
John, I want a divorce.
Ha ha ha ha!
WellFineFuckIt ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:50:15 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not funny John and you know it's been coming a long time
4techteachers ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 10:27:06 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A little too theatrical for the morph... I think he intentionally stays away from that.
KitMcSelb ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:02:09 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've not seen any recently, is he still active on Reddit. I love seeing that pop up in serious subs. It makes my day.
Ibrey ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:58:32 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Still posting regularly, sometimes he takes a week or so off: https://www.reddit.com/user/shittymorph/overview/
silverdevilboy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:04:36 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I got caught last week, no idea how often he's posting these days tho.
gigajesus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:15:24 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I got a couple sentences in before I checked the username and was surprised when it wasn't one of the usual suspects.
Yahlunna ยท 88 points ยท Posted at 09:03:53 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Give Vivaldi a try, its the Old Opera team and its focused on daily internet users -tags, personal design and macrokeys-. A really good chromium based nav if you wanna give it a try.
windyfish ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 09:55:53 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Brave all the way. From Brendan Eich no less.
relaxedguy ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 11:58:44 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Brave is sold as a browser that will serve better ads. Is that what we really want? And whatever happened to RockMelt?
g2len88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:20:41 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Beat me to the punch love brave can't wait till u can earn bat by enabling adds
mittromniknight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:13 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As in....Java Eich????
I'm going to have to give that a go.
SimbaOnSteroids ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:57:28 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eh they pioneered the ICO which is a really shady way of raising capital. Plus its built on Electron so say goodbye to your battery life.
re1jo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:25:14 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, what a stand up guy, no less!
Ibrey ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:04:03 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just think, where would gay rights be now if Brendan Eich hadn't been deprived of his livelihood for the political views he held in 2008.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:39:38 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh it's bad to "deprive someone their livelihood"? How about depriving them fair and equitable treatment under the law for the person they love?
It's really not that complicated, if you are a public face of an organization you have to represent the organization. Being an anti-gay bigot is pretty antithetical to Mozilla's stance on openness and inclusivity.
If he cared about the position so much he could have apologized and put on a face that jived with the company mission. But maintaining the integrity of his anti-gay views was more important to him so he chose that. And Mozilla decided they couldn't have their whole mission be about openness on the web and society while at the same time being led by a bigot.
I don't agree with many policies and stances of banking but when I worked for a bank I wouldn't have said anything that would be damaging to the organization despite it maybe being my personal view.
Ibrey ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:44:56 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh nooooo, in 2008 he took the same position on gay marriage as 52% of California voters, with 79% turnout. What a horrible, nasty, wicked anti-gay bigot. Didn't he know that love is love #NoH8? 52% of Californians certainly deserve to be punished with unemployment.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:49:38 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes if you give $1000 to an anti-gay campaign and still stand by your choice you're a bigot.
Ibrey ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:10:14 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, in that case, then he ought not be allowed to go about in public without wearing a great scarlet "B".
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:15:15 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No you're right, we can't have people being treated differently simply because they're actively trying to oppress the rights of other people. We should allow him to break up some gay marriages to make up for his horrible mistreatment.
cd2220 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:32:57 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The other 58 percent of California voters weren't representing a large company. He stood by a very controversial opinion as the face of a company. Any rep worth their salt knows you don't fucking do that without expecting consequences. His views reflect on all of the brands. It's how things are.
He made that choice of his own volition. Which is fine, he has that right. Mozilla also had the right to let him go.
You way over exaggerating this. Choosing not to support his endeavors because you have a strong disagreement with him is totally acceptable, and informing others of that is fine too. What are you gonna say next, that I'm suggesting giving anto gay marriage supporters yellow armbands?
Ibrey ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:34:22 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As the face of the company, was he widely known for this donation he made in 2008 prior to the campaign to fire him?
jarkum ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:21:44 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everytime this gets posted when someone even mentions Brave. Weird.
re1jo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:33:18 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ppl dont randomly hop into products like Brave.
LookingforBruceLee ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:13 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Using Brave throws a middle finger to the SJWs! That's awesome!
SomeRandomMax ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 09:14:23 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Was gonna suggest the same thing, though if he has problems with Chrome he amy have the same issues with Vivaldi.
francc3sco ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:31:13 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes I can confirm this. I love Vivaldi but I cannot use it because it eats resources too much. Though I would love to make it my primary browser if it becomes more light and responsive.
CeterumCenseo85 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 12:35:09 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your comment made me nostalgic. I remember using Opera as my primary browser between ~2001 and 2006. Not sure what really happened that I stopped using it, it's kinda weird. I still long for those amazing mouse gestures.
NJJH ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:32:53 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is most strikingly accurate description of the Opera browser. I don't know why, but holy shit you hit many nails upon many heads here.
SenseiMadara ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:13:27 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's how I remember Opera, thanks
jesta030 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:19:15 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
r/bestof
We reached full circle!
lamecrapper ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:58:31 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thats oddly specific. Almost like it actually happened to you
Patriark ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:05:53 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I still date her. She's pretty good in bed
crashdoc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:33:01 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
...and grew an extra...ummm...feature... Like a... An extra breast, yeah, that'll do! That was just terrifically awesome in concept, perhaps poorly executed, but the future possibilities made you wish you had three hands and shit! But then she had it removed, you were sad to see it go but were never really certain how to fully capitalise on it but the potential for true awesome was there! Since then you kinda lost touch for a while...
hyperd0uche ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:51:36 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You should check out Brave (the browser)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:13:31 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
GRANDPA TAKE YOUR FUCKING MEDS!
aftli_work ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:35:10 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The one you loved is called Vivaldi now and it's great. :)
eycoli2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:42:31 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
G...gregg?? Is that you?? I was just browsing this thread and I...[tears up]
OgdruJahad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:37:59 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What about Vivaldi, anyone? No, ok then.
StayM ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:19:31 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Vivaldi Browser, it's the answer.
It's like the good old Opera, not like the new crackhead of those days
ForumStalker ยท 104 points ยท Posted at 07:39:59 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've also recently become a fan of Opera again. It has a free VPN, Messengers like Whatsapp built in, built in ad-blocking and it has a video pop out feature which is awesome if you want to browse other sites but still have your Youtube open in the corner.
All that and it still seems to run faster than Chrome does.
[deleted] ยท 190 points ยท Posted at 07:44:12 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 243 points ยท Posted at 07:55:49 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you cared about privacy, you wouldn't be using chrome.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 07:59:58 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)*
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Secondhand_Crack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:47:10 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What do you use?
antiname ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:26:45 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If he's worried about privacy, then he probably made his own.
goedegeit ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 12:38:42 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Chrome's privacy is manageable, but a free Chinese VPN is thousands of times riskier and full unconfirmable spying. Apples and oranges.
I know it's a meme to say "if you care about privacy you must be a stupid idiot because you use the google and the facebook", every time someone brings up a legitimate privacy concern, but you're not helping and you really don't understand the niches of data security.
Chrome isn't secretly recording all the data going from your computer to the server, it does have stuff like URL guessing which sends URLs you type to their server, but that's observable and you can disable it, you can also observe any other data being sent where you don't want it.
When you route all your data through a VPN, it becomes a black box, you're sending all your data to one place, at which point they can do anything they want with it. You can't observe where they're sending it to. This is why it's vital you have to fully trust your VPN to use it.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 12:55:20 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Im not saying to use opera either, but the vpn is completely optional and opt in. You are right though, its not what you would use for privacy. Chromes privacy is about as manageable as windows 10 updates, even after disabling all the privacy settings, it still phones home and is still heavily integrated into googles services - Google makes its money from datamining and advertising.
Im sorry what? Google and Facebook are singlehandedly the biggest corporate invasions of privacy out there. Anyone who seriously does care and wants privacy does not, and definetly should not, use either of those wherever possible, and there are equivalent or better alternatives to most if not all of what they offer.
https://prism-break.org/en/ <-- list of good alternatives to lots of popular propriety software.
goedegeit ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 13:30:40 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not saying Google and Facebook aren't invasive as heck, but I'm really annoyed at people instantly replying with the implied, "everything is pointless, resistance is futile, stop trying to do anything because Facebook and Google exist".
Maybe that's not what you were trying to say, but it seems to be the common response on Reddit to dismiss privacy concerns about anything. It's used against Facebook, "what about what Google are doing?", as well as Google, "what about what Facebook are doing?"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:41:41 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
that's not im trying to do at all. Im trying to say to stop using Google and facebook, once you do it, its actually not that hard.
goedegeit ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:23:45 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's much harder than you think to opt out entirely of those services. Even if you've never had an account on Facebook, it likely has an incredible amount of data stored on you, same goes with Google.
In computer privacy and security, your data is never going to be 100% secure, it's better to learn about and beware of all the major dangers, and be aware of the extent of the risk you're taking at any time, which will nearly always be more than zero. You have to decide on what data you value the privacy of and what data you don't mind giving up
pokemansplease ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:58:07 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel you. I use chrome about 80% of the time because I admit that I don't mind giving up my browsing privacy for some of the convenience I get with Chrome. Especially when I'm at work and everything I do is work-related, anyways. When I really want privacy, I'll use TOR and not be on Windows.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:31:27 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's literally what Google does. They build a profile tied to your ip. It's a double edged sword.
goedegeit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:19:51 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's a different issue to chrome, where a VPN can assist (although there are ways to narrow down who's accessing your server). VPNs are great security tools if you can trust them.
You should definitely be aware of the privacy and security concerns of various internet services and softwares, but don't let one concern cancel out another.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 09:11:30 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
is opera chrome? i'm confused
recycled_ideas ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 09:47:31 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Opera is a chromium fork, so yes. Minus some features.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:21:40 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
huh TIL, i don't use either but I always thought it was its own thing
recycled_ideas ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:23:40 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was it's own thing, but maintaining all the crap that goes into a browser is hard so now it's a crappy chromium fork.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:34:22 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ah thanks! at least i remembered right
recycled_ideas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:50:15 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right at the moment the browser market is a bit weird.
If you're using stable releases and you don't need any unsupported plugins edge is probably competitive with chrome and both beat Firefox. Edge has less support for cutting edge features, but honestly anything that's just in chrome is pretty useless anyway.
If you're using stable and need plugins it's chrome.
If you're out on the bleeding edge Firefox nightly shits all over canary.
emit_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:55:12 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What is recommended instead then?
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 11:32:13 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)*
Not using the Internet.
More seriously, I guess Firefox or Chromium would be alright? Plugins help too, an ad-blocker is a must-have and there are some other privacy-related ones. So do VPNs.
Or tor-browser with JS disabled if you don't mind an UI from the 90s that you waited for 5+ seconds to load.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 11:47:35 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Serious question: why would a god such as myself use a vpn or care about security? I do not do anything wrong so I shouldn't be worried.
CeterumCenseo85 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 12:38:07 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How would you feel if you didn't get a certain job because your boss bought your browsing history from your ISP and decided he doesn't like your political view or anime preference?
Micalas ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 12:46:14 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If they don't like Serial Experiments Lain, I don't want to work for them anyway.
HyphenSam ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:48:44 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Show me where I can buy personal information. I'll believe it when I see it.
Tacitus_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:00:12 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can buy anonymized browsing information. So no one can buy *your* information, but if there are enough breadcrumbs, the connection can be made. For example a twitter account that has your real name on it.
HyphenSam ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:04:46 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, where can I buy it?
Tacitus_ ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:17:33 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/gygx7y/your-anonymous-browsing-data-isnt-actually-anonymous
HyphenSam ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:33:15 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting article, but it doesn't exactly say how she got into contact with those data brokers.
Like I said before, I'll believe it when I see it.
Tacitus_ ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:43:10 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
With a phone. She called them.
Snark aside, here's a list of a bunch of them https://www.stopdatamining.me/opt-out-list/ - and this one came up on a simple google search https://big.exchange/
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:47:47 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Happened to me before.
I'd like to think that in 2017, atleast in Europe, this shit is forbidden.
Apkoha ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:01 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i'm fine with that. I don't want to work with or for any prudes and weebs anyway.
1mikeg ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:57:30 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is a good question and it really does come down to how much of your personal information and habits you feel comfortable sharing with advertisers and potential government agencies.
Ad blockers are pretty much there for user convenience. They don't do anything for protecting your private data, just from protecting your eyes and brain from having to see ads.
A VPN is good if you're doing things on the internet you might not want a company or a government agency to track to back to you. A VPN simply takes your public facing IP address that's issued by your service provider and replaces it with a new public facing IP address that belongs to the VPN service.
The idea here is that if a company wants to know who was browsing their website (or downloading their movie) from IP 177.55.111.99, that IP address would lead them back to the VPN provider and not your service provider. The VPN provider then should respond, "Gee, we don't know who we issued that IP to. We completely anonymize all our outward facing IPs and we couldn't even begin to tell you who we issued that too. Sorry." There's some controversy ongoing now if VPNs are actually doing this or not. Especially free VPNs.
Everything else security wise basically boils down to you not doing stupid shit. Don't install an executable you don't trust. Don't install browser extensions you don't trust (or not at all, if we want to be really honest). Don't give your private information to websites you don't trust (or not at all, if you want to be truly secure).
Probably the most important thing to know is that security doesn't really matter on the user level because it's the companies you give your information to that are ultimately unsecured and will always be the weak point in the security equation simply because of their size and the amount of data they steward. Just keep in the back of your mind that the data you put into the internet in any capacity will ultimately be breached, so monitor your personal details as closely as possible and if you notice anything that indicates your data might be compromised, take action ASAP.
codeklutch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:15:54 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The more users using them the harder it is to track the data. Imagine 5 people running through a hallway, sure you might miss someone but for the most part you'll be able to track them. Now imagine 300 people running through the same hallway, there's no way in hell you'll be able to single out one specific user.
So while you might not need the privacy, you're protecting and ensuring the privacy of others.
1mikeg ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 12:35:23 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That doesn't sound right, at all.
A VPN doesn't really do anything to hide your browsing data from advertisers. You still leave cookies, you still leave a browsing history, and companies as a whole still get an idea of what's generating traffic and views. The VPN just obscures who you are. It obfuscates your IP address, so the advertiser doesn't see correct location data of where the people are from who are looking at their whatever.
The primary purpose of a VPN is that if you're doing something on the internet, an agency or company can't subpoena your provider for your personal details by an IP address because they don't see your actual IP address. They see the IP issued by the VPN.
The VPN issues you a specific IP that could be used to ultimately identify you through back tracking, but the agreement you enter into with a VPN is that they won't surrender your information if they are approached with said request.
VPN does nothing to obfuscate your actual browsing habits, it just puts a mask between your browsing habits and you.
codeklutch ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:06:03 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, but agencies can track vpn traffic quite easily. It makes it harder to track that traffic if there are more spoofed addresses. Forget advertisers, I'm speaking on law enforcement.
1mikeg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:21:42 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No it doesn't. The VPN is issuing a unique IP address to each user using the service, that's the basis of how the internet works.
The security a VPN gives you is that IP goes back to the VPN provider and not your service provider. The VPN tells the government agency, "Sorry, we issue completely anonymous IP addresses to all our users. If we could tell you, we would but since we don't even have that info we can't." There's a huge controversy going on right now of how committed free VPNs are to that story because, with enough time, your ISP issued IP could absolutely be tied to the "anonymous" IP issued by the VPN (because nothing is actually anonymous, it's all based on an algorithm).
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:19:24 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, but what data are they stealing?
What I mean is, if I didn't do anything legally/morally wrong, why should I be worried from the government spying on me? Or is it because of hackers?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:32:10 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The best browsers for not being spied on by your browser are probably waterfox and pale moon. If you want to take it a step further, you can use GNU Icecat, which also blocks elements of websites that track you. I would also highly recommend using alternatives to Google products, and installing the noscript extension
sound-of-impact ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:44:32 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've been using Brave for this. A few quirks but overall I'm impressed by it's ad and cookie blocking.
hatsune_aru ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 10:18:31 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Youd be insane to equate the Chinese governments' spying to the NSA's, let alone Google's.
China had the audacity to install rootkits and spyware to Tibetians to spy on them.
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 10:31:16 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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julbra ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 10:37:16 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Was about to say that. there's basically nothing the NSA hasn't done or at least tried when it comes to mass surveillance.
hatsune_aru ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:27:39 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
NSA does surveillance, which is pretty bad.
China does surveillance, and then lock you up for circumventing their censorship.
America has it pretty bad, but if the NSA is a sore throat, China is stage 4 pancreatic cancer.
Skrattybones ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:14:30 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, I think we could meet somewhere in the middle and say both countries are prostate cancer -- bad, but theoretically treatable.
For example, the government gets a report for every financial transaction a citizen does over $10,000. If you knowingly change your behavior to make sure every transaction you perform is below that amount, and the government notices, you can be arrested for evading surveillance -- even if what you're doing with the money isn't illegal.
It's called structuring. It's how they pinched Dennis Hastert when he needed to be arrested, but charging him with his actual crimes would shine a bad light on the American government.
hatsune_aru ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:50:16 on August 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Haha, you seriously underestimate the magnitude of oppression there.
Used to the american system are you?
ForumStalker ยท 60 points ยท Posted at 08:19:10 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I had the same concern so I looked into it myself and found out that even though Opera is now Chinese they use VPN services from a company called SurfEasy which is Canadian.
For what it's worth I think Opera is doing a lot of great things to get some market share back and providing a VPN with malicious intent would do them no favours.
ExplainsSocialEnigma ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 08:42:54 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Surfeasy is just an Opera subsidiary though
ForumStalker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:04:12 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fair enough. They haven't proven themselves to be untrustworthy though but it's up to you.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:24:12 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)*
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ShittDickk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:23:18 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I miss old Opera unlike any other. RSS Feeds, Email, Torrenting... Everything you need all built into the browser itself, and not just integrated, but integrated well.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:34:42 on August 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I stuck it out on 12 until sites refused to load on it. I miss that browser.
rivermandan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:04:38 on August 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
hey man I'm canadian and what we do for fun is watch what you guys are doing on the internet.
in all seriousness, I used to have a hacked cable modem for half a decade and had a router dedicated to simply serving free wifi up for my neighbours, but it logged google searches, and I'd sit down once in a while with friends and just read this shit (it was anonymous, well, just IP basaed but I had no clue or cared to know which neighbour belonged to which IP).
"how do I know what I look like" is the only one I remember, but man, there were some damned hilarious ones.
effyochicken ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 07:56:15 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is there a specific, possibly obscure country with trustable VPN?
skittle-brau ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:13:43 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the Netherlands is still okay.
squishles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:56:10 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
honestly china isn't a bad choice if you're not a chinese resident. Wouldn't put credit card info on it, but most of the shit you do they're not going to care about.
CPBabsSeed ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 08:03:39 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, the US. Companies are not bound by law in any way to retain records of your activities through their networks.
PM_ANIME_WAIFUS ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 08:19:38 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
but 5 eyes though, they don't need company provided logs if they can get them through other means
Tour_Lord ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 10:07:51 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Somewhere deep in China a security forces operator has to watch all the porn I watch
Reeking_Crotch_Rot ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 09:08:58 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)*
This was more a compression server thingy, IIRC, that functioned like a VPN. I wouldn't recommend actually trusting it for security, though! And this is going back a couple of years. It's handy here in the UK, though, where the large mobile networks tend to block anything vaguely juicy. You're supposed to be able to opt out, but it's a pain in the arse and often doesn't work. I actually did this, went into the 3 network shop with my passport as proof of age and complained that my phone couldn't access 'adult' material - because they count on people being too embarrassed to do this. A few months later, it was blocked again.
Edit
'Categories blocked across the major ISPs include:ย Dating,ย Drugs,ย Alcoholย andย Tobacco,ย File sharing,ย Gambling,ย Games,ย Pornography,ย Nudity,ย Social networking,ย Suicideย andย Self-harm,ย Weaponsย andย violence,ย Obscenity, Criminal Skills,ย Hate,ย Media Streaming,ย Fashionย andย Beauty,ย Gore,ย Cyberbullying,ย Hackingย andย Web-blockingย circumventionย tools'
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_the_United_Kingdom
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 09:19:11 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would honestly much rather a Chinese company had all my info than one from my own country
qtx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:26:47 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First of all it's not a VPN, it's a web proxy.
Secondly, I rather have some foreign country have my web history than my local government. China can't do shit to me, my local government could (if of course I did illegal things online, which of course I don't..).
ErickFTG ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:35:00 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It says to be based on Canada.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:05:26 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a subsidiary of the Chinese parent company.
pfzt ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:08:41 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
well, i prefer the chinese having my data rather than the americans.
jrf_1973 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 08:21:26 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah but back in the day when Opera was slim lean and trim, just a no frills browser that followed the w3 guidelines... my god it was fast. "What's a memory leak?"
benryves ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 11:04:48 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We must have used different versions of Opera, for me the main selling point was that it was a fully-featured browser out of the box with all of the frills you could ever want. It was still miraculously a fraction of the download size of other browsers and considerably faster, though.
Unfortunately they then turned it into yet another Chromium-based browser and removed all of the features that made it worth using so I switched to Firefox plus a ton of extensions.
SunTzu- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:22:18 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's talking early early Opera, i.e. the reason Opera ever got famous. This was back before Mozilla if I remember correctly (which then got famous for including everything and the kitchen sink).
ButterflyAttack ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 08:02:58 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Does opera still have the VPN? You mean, on Windows?
I used to use opera mini on android, then they fixed it up with updates and it seems to no longer have the compressing thingy that works like a VPN, so I quit a while ago.
ForumStalker ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 08:10:49 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes it does, you can find the VPN in settings>privacy & security.
Opera Turbo (the compressing thingy) is still there on Windows and should be there on android with Opera mini since they advertise that feature. For Windows Just enable advanced settings and then you'll find it under the browser settings right at the bottom.
ButterflyAttack ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:51:15 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm okay, thanks, I'll give it another go then!
C0L4ND3R ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:43:56 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
opera is so much better on every account
sohappyred ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:54:11 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is it a trustworthy VPN?
ForumStalker ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:03:18 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some will say it isn't because Opera is Chinese owned but I think that's unfair, Chinese tech companies have come a long way. They haven't proven themselves to be untrustworthy to my knowledge.
goedegeit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:32:20 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All the good people behind the initial greatness of Opera left and created Vivaldi.
The newest Opera stripped all the good unique features out of it after they switched engine or something.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:17:35 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If something is free, you're what's being sold.
justanotherkenny ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:31:57 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, if ff and chrome didn't run, and edge did.. was edge really awful by comparison?
VegeKale ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:42:06 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. It actually was. It's functionality was so low as to be equivalent to having to restart my browser every 30 minutes. I think I spent more time using edge's inferior user interface than I lost to crashes and freezes on the others.
justanotherkenny ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:30:09 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean I primarily use chrome on windows given the option and never really have problems other than it being a ram hog.
That being said, I've grown platform agnostic over the years. Mac, PC, Linux? Who cares? FF, Chrome, Safari, Edge? It isn't 1998 anymore when all that crap really mattered.
Just don't go near Opera Mini (:
HowAboutShutUp ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:56:19 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was a dedicated opera user for a good while but their casual dismissal of power users in the period of time after they switched to blink has never really sat well with me. After they were acquired by a chinese company I switched to something else.
Michaelscot8 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:42:35 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love Opera, I haven't used Firefox since I was a kid, but I can't stand chrome. Not to mention Opera just streamlines everything, it's really nice having all of my passwords and information in one secure place. Not to mention built in VPNs and a fantastic UI.
MichaelTunnell ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:22:45 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting Opera is based on Chromium just like Chrome, I wonder what is the difference. Also have you tried Vivaldi? It's also based on Chromium but created by the original founder of Opera.
__Lua ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:56:53 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Opera and Vivaldi are basically the same thing, from the outside. They just take Chromium and build upon it. The difference between them is what they build upon it.
MichaelTunnell ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:08:59 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm aware, I already addressed that.
__Lua ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:10:22 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, have you? You wondered what was the difference between Opera and Chromium, and then recommended Vivaldi, which exists on the same premise.
MichaelTunnell ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:17:17 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They specifically said Opera worked fine on their machine but Chrome didn't. I wondered what difference affected then specifically not the difference of the base.
raelrok ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:27:11 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is weird as Opera is a Chromium fork these days anyway. Maybe try Firefox out again now that they've merged some of the new rust-based internals into it? They are supposed to give a strong performance increase for page renders and greatly reduce the possibility for memory leaks.
MikeyLust ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:51:44 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Chrome runs all tabs at the same time fast. Firefox is slower but only runs one tab at a time so switching tabs is like a fresh load. Edge is built into the OS and runs off less pc power but is also slower.
GogglesPisano ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:18:08 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I stopped using Opera when it was sold to a Chinese company a year or two ago. I have been impressed by the Vivaldi browser, made by Opera's original creators. It uses the Chromium rendering engine, but it seems a little leaner and more responsive than Chrome.
NewspaperNelson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:56:44 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Chrome for play, Safari for work.
CakeAccomplice12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:57:24 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For shits and giggles try the portable versions of chrome and Firefox. Since they don't install they might not conflict with anything
DucitperLuce ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:19:01 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed! So fluid, plus with the built in VPN, I can browse and torrent endlessly. Throw in the Opera Mini app on my iPhone and I can pick up bookmarks, saved passwords, or even browse the tabs I left open at home; all on the go. Would def recommend.
Agret ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:35:49 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Opera is basically Chrome with a skin and a few extensions built into the browser. Unless you are referring to "Opera Classic" the old unsupported version that had its own rendering engine? If you want to checkout a modern day Opera (which also uses the Chrome engine) checkout Vivaldi. It's a browser from the original founder of the Opera browser.
Tuft64 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:00:41 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
2017, not using the onion routet
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:50:53 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I had the same issue, chrome crashed as soon as i booted it. But then i updated a driver and everything was all G
AlwaysBananas ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 07:40:00 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gotta stay with the fox even if only for proper tree view tabs. Chrome had it as an experimental feature for a bit but removed it.
cd2220 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:44:02 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you don't mind explaining, what are tree view tabs?
AlwaysBananas ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:39:45 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Screenshots here will do a better job than I can:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tree-style-tab/
tl;dr though is that the tabs appear along the left (or right) side of the window instead of along the top and expand/collapse as a tree (based on where you opened a link from). I'm a programmer, so having a ton of tabs open is a common occurance for me and it's awesome to be able to see the full name of like 60 tabs all at the same time without devoting much screen real estate to it. Most sites have a crap ton of white space along the sides (since reading a site at the full width is uncomfortable), better to use that space than the vertical space that's in high demand.
Chrome has some that work similarly, but they're separate windows and a pita compared to just having it embedded into the main window like normal tabs would be.
tossin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:25 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I used to be the same, but I find the Tabs Outliner extension for Chrome to be much nicer overall. Some features I like:
GTAVHELPER ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 08:23:02 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Chrome eats up so much mem. Open up 3 tabs in chrome and Firefox then compare. It could be just me maybe? I dunno. Anyone know why that is?
SomeRandomMax ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 09:23:54 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am far from an expert, but my understanding is that it is a design decision that the Chrome people made early on. It is both good and bad.
The good: Everything in Chrome runs in it's own process, so one thing crashing won't kill the browser. I have no idea if this is still a problem with other modern browsers, but when Chrome was launched this was a common issue. One Javascript or Flash bug and the whole browser crashed.
The bad: Every process needs to load a big chunk of the browser into memory. That creates a massive memory sink.
Personally, I don't mind. Memory is relatively cheap nowadays. I run 16-32GB of ram depending on the system, and rarely run into problems, and it's not uncommon for me to have 100+ tabs open (yes, I agree that is stupid, still it is what I do).
stickler_Meseeks ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 10:32:06 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So chrome does load a new process for each tab, but it also loads a new process for each app, plug-in, etc. So you have 5 tabs open, 3 plugins, and the hangouts and Google music app, that's at minimum 11 chrome processes. 5 per tab, 1 for each plugin, 1 for each app and one for the app launcher. If you do have trouble with this, right click any chrome shortcuts you use and click properties. In the target box add " -no-sandbox" with the leading space so the whole thing should be C:\pathtochome\chrome.exe -no-sandbox.
ShopKeeperOrFeed ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 11:42:33 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I always wondered why I had so many chrome processes never thought to google it and found the answer here thanks :)
TigreWulph ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:20:10 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I knew about processes per tab, but it never lined up math wise. I am glad they explained it cause I too never thought to google.
HeirOfHouseReyne ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:03:52 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thans what they sold me on, that if one tab crashes it won't take the other ones down. Still happens often enough
GTAVHELPER ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:05:10 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TIL. Thanks for the answer, seems logical but also a bit Legacy at this point. Having any browser crash on me has been pretty fucking rare.
GameFreak4321 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:04:31 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've seen chrome manage to use more than twice my laptop's installed RAM
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:23:34 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So, I sometimes open up 50-200 tabs in Firefox and leaf back and forth between them for a while to work a problem and then close them again. This works reasonably well.
Are you saying this would be a completely no-go with Chrome?
SomeRandomMax ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:21:58 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, I do similar on Chrome, it works fine. But your memory usage will be probably 3x higher than compared to FF, so make sure your system can handle it. 16GB is OK, 32GB of RAM is better.
rivermandan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:05:43 on August 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
which is great on paper, but how many times does chrome crash and take down every single one of your tabs
SomeRandomMax ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:25:43 on August 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rarely? I'm sure it's happened at some point, but not often. Certainly a hell of a lot less often than with it's predecessors.
rivermandan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:20:27 on August 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've yet to have one tab crash without taking the others out. like, not even once have I seen just one tab crash. 99% of the time it's due to shitty plugins or whatever, but it still takes all the tabs out
SomeRandomMax ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:22:19 on August 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is definitely something unique to your system then. Normally you get an error message that looks like this on the tab with the error and everything else keeps going just fine.
I have seen Chrome crash fully occasionally, but I've literally been using Chrome since the day it was released, and I would guess I could count the number of full crashes on one hand. It's just not a common experience. And I am arguably a worst-case user, since it is not unusual for me to have 100-200 tabs open at a time.
Plug ins should not fully crash Chrome-- they also run in their own process, and should only crash that process (though any tab using that plugin would display the message above and need to be reloaded).
Unless you just always use several tabs that rely on a given plug in, it sounds to me like you may have some malware or something, or possibly some configuration setting on your system has disabled some of the isolation.
rivermandan ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:36:48 on August 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I fix computers for a living, I'm just relating issues I've ran into on countless customer's computers. I personally haven't had an issue with chrome other than it being an absolute fucking dog on a system if you have the google play music plugin set up and running.
crashes are almost exclusively pepperflash crashes that I've noticed, by the way, and when it crashes, I mean it hangs, and going to task man and stopping just one of the processes stopps the whole lot of them
SomeRandomMax ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:04:16 on August 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's hard to take you seriously when you speak hyperbolically. Either you've "yet to have one tab crash without it taking the others out" or you "personally haven't had an issue." Those statements can't both be true.
Regardless, one tab crashing bring the whole system down is absolutely not normal. If your customers are seeing that, there is something wrong with their systems. As the person who is supposed to fix them, you should know that.
rivermandan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:05 on August 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
thanks for the downvote, douchebag.
well, dingleberry, I've seen it happen hundreds of times on systems ranging from 7-10 and OSX.
WOW, EXCELELNT POINT! it's almost as if customers bring me their computers because there is something wrong with them!
do people regularly tell you that you are REALLY SMART?
Triddy ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 09:14:56 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not just you.
For me, Chrome just grabs a bunch of memory when it's available, and then refuses to free it in a timely manner when it's needed. I've absolutely had things crash over being out of memory while Chrome is open.
I have 10 tabs open right now and it's taking up almost 6GB of RAM. Sure, 10 is a lot-ish, but 6GB is over the top.
__Lua ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 10:09:03 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How are you using up that much? I opened 10 tabs with Youtube, PocketCasts, Github, Imgur, ArtStation, etc. and it's barely taking 2.5 gigs.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:40:44 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For a lot of people 2.5 gigs is high.
nlx78 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:45:41 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can give you an example of what /u/triddy might mean. Not sure about his RAM availability but i have 12gb and there is this 1 game i play which is Cities Skylines. That is very RAM heavy when you have loads of assets and mods installed. Even without it will push your RAM use to 90 to 97 percent or so.
Not just on loading as you can see here but also while playing it's often at 95 percent with me. Now, on topic, if i want to listen to online radio, or have a talkshow on tv in the background, or browse the internet with alt tab, it will crash when i use Chrome. With Firefox it doesn't. Somehow that's more optimized.
But when RAM isn't an issue i will Chrome. Still like that better. But this is an example of applications that push your memory to the limit. Must be the same for editing video's in certain programs i can imagine.
EvanHarpell ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:18:43 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I play Cities Skylines too. I run 16Gb in my desktop and have seen the same thing. Reminds me of MSSQL, as in it will use any available memory.
jantari ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:09 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It'll use memory if you have it. If you only have 4GB total, sure it'll hover around 2.5, but the person you replied to may have 16-32GB of RAM and if that's the case Chrome will utilize it (which is good)
__Lua ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:46 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, yes, but the functionality remains the same - I can browse through all of the tabs without a hitch, and he can do the same. The only difference is that mine takes 2.5 gigs and his takes 6.
Of course, different websites and what not, but still, my point stands.
throwaway3762yd ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:35:39 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It grabs free ram, I have the same problem with 16 gigs in my system it is regularly grabbing 4-8 gigs
aeneasaquinas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:09:34 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jeez, I had like 20 tabs open and didn't break 4 with 16gb.
BigMac2151 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 11:40:54 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I could be mistaken but I believe I read somewhere not too long ago that chrome has something called a memory leak
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:03:15 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would be amazed if Chrome actually had an unfixed memory leak that affected even 1% of users
cd2220 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:42:09 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Youtube specifically used to have a memory leak with Chrome until very very recently. If it was open for any length of time it would eat up ram and not let it go until I did a hard reset. It sas the strangest thing.
Dreadedsemi ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:04:33 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)*
With 16gb I have no problem with hundreds of tabs in chrome. Chrome seems to suspend tabs when needed. I run also vmware, games sometimes usually fine. only issues happen when over 500. things start to go bad.
julbra ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 11:01:52 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You have 500 tabs open all at once? Jesus.
Dreadedsemi ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:29:08 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
my record is above 700. I'm a tab monster. but I try to avoid anything above 500 as it may spell trouble. I set chrome to open last session. If I find something useful or interesting I keep it to get back to later. when I search for something not very useful to keep longer I use incognito and open new tab for each.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:04:49 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bookmarks?
Dreadedsemi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:12:33 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Already have too many bookmarks lol those tabs I need to check soon. but often end up taking weeks.
stickler_Meseeks ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:32:27 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So chrome does load a new process for each tab, but it also loads a new process for each app, plug-in, etc. So you have 5 tabs open, 3 plugins, and the hangouts and Google music app, that's at minimum 11 chrome processes. 5 per tab, 1 for each plugin, 1 for each app and one for the app launcher. If you do have trouble with this, right click any chrome shortcuts you use and click properties. In the target box add " -no-sandbox" with the leading space so the whole thing should be C:\pathtochome\chrome.exe -no-sandbox.
freddy157 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:39:13 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kind of shitty to fix memory problems by reducing security and stability.
rox0r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:56:38 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course. It allocates it from the OS and then it does its own memory management for performance reasons. It's a pretty good bet that it will need the memory again soon, so it doesn't release it back to the OS, but holds onto it for the next memory request.
sumuji ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:11:52 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The irony. I remember when Chrome was popular because it was fast, lite on resources, not full of bloatware... Etc.
[deleted] ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 09:13:50 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it's
just scanning and preparing to send the entire contents of your drive to googleperfectly fine and you're just imagining thingsGTAVHELPER ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:57:31 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's the first place my mind went as well LOL. I still run Win 7 for a similar reason. Win 10 seriously felt like malware. I had to fight and search and google so much shit for simple permissions and to override all the shit that's constantly running and no doubt gathering data. Just to try and mod games and shit. Luckily I hade an image/back up I could revert to. When win 7 is no longer supported I'll probably go back to Linux and emulate what I need.
But seriously I would love to actually know why Chrome eats mem like it does, unless of course your answer was not /s. In that case all faith lost.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:30:52 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
haha for the non /s reply look to johnny's thread below; regarding win 10 - it's a struggle and it can only be relatively accomplished with win 10 pro but you can neuter most of the spyware stuff in it relatively thoroughly and break everything else that you don't want; works great for games and you can use another OS (like any *nix flavor you want or osx if you're running on apple hardware [which needs some neutering of its own lol]) for your actual work so no actual sensitive stuff is ever exposed
Johnnyhiveisalive ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:44:45 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It'll be the sandboxer, instead in sharing memory between tabs they are all seperate.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:27:41 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yeah this is the actual non /s answer; note that it also leaks memory separately for each tab so it distributes the fail-work as well
i recall firefox had an issue like this with flash but i refuse to install flash anywhere so i've not seen it in awhile
evidenceorGTFO ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:46:23 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Firefox also eats up a lot of RAM over time. In Chrome you can usually get rid of that by closing tabs, you have to restart Firefox.
RAM isn't the problem though as you can always download more of it.
oD323 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:04:14 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In chrome each "tab" is an individual instance of the whole program so they can crash independently.
GTAVHELPER ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:08:46 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I appreciate the answer, thanks for taking the time.
[deleted] ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 07:59:42 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Check out the Brave browser. Account sync, built-in ad blocker, they're also integrating a cryptotoken into the browser in some form as a means to seamlessly pay for content instead of watching ads.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:28:30 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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shwhjw ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:35:19 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting.
Recently at home my Firefox has been refusing to load new tabs (open a new window and it works), it's getting a bit frustrating. I'll give Brave a go, thanks!
Tom___Tom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:50:28 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Brave browser is great! It's much faster than other browsers, plus it has privacy by default.
Incendior ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 07:37:45 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same, I went back to Firefox. Have 16 Gigs of RAM, which should be par for the course, but Chrome chokes up still from time to time.
breakyourfac ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 07:56:47 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have both Firefox and chrome. I thought chrome got it's shit together and fixed it's memory leak issues but apparently not. I'll have 5 tabs open but when I open task manager there's about 25 chrome processes open and chrome will just freeze every 5 second.
oD323 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 10:07:02 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Every single chrome plugin/extension creates another "chrome.exe" process. If you have a lot of plugins it becomes rather apparent
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:42:29 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)*
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GreggsPasty ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 09:48:34 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're experiencing a placebo effect if you think that Opera is better than Chrome.
Opera since version 15 has essentially been a re-skinned Chromium instead of its own engine. It uses Blink (Chrome's rendering engine) and V8 (Chrome's javascript runtime).
Since most development on Chromium is stuff making it back in to the open source version from the Chrome team's development, Opera is basically running a worse version of Chrome with poorer memory usage, rendering performance, JIT compilation, etc, since it tends to be behind-the-curve waiting for the Chrome team to commit their work back to the Chromium open source repository.
stickler_Meseeks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:30:39 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So chrome does load a new process for each tab, but it also loads a new process for each app, plug-in, etc. So you have 5 tabs open, 3 plugins, and the hangouts and Google music app, that's at minimum 11 chrome processes. 5 per tab, 1 for each plugin, 1 for each app and one for the app launcher. If you do have trouble with this, right click any chrome shortcuts you use and click properties. In the target box add " -no-sandbox" with the leading space so the whole thing should be C:\pathtochome\chrome.exe -no-sandbox.
Nickrulz53 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:39:54 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I had the opposite problem. Firefox likes to crash a lot on my end so I'm highly considering going back to chrome.
gutterwall1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:12:31 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Try Lynx!! http://lynx.invisible-island.net
kitchen_clinton ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:39:54 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I use Firefox on an IPad 3 with the last OS update and I have over 100 tabs open and it works. No memory issues.
nMiDanferno ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 08:06:03 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't the tabs just become de facto bookmarks on the mobile versions?
Mementoes ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 08:49:04 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think all browsers on iOS are basically Safari with a skin
jw_mercenario ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:13:44 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think so. I refuse to use anything other than safari.
GeneralPatten ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:56:12 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is correct. Uses the same underlying engine.
Teh_Hammerer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:44:57 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
but...why?!
thecrewton ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:48:28 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
trying to find the right video to you know...
GeneralBS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:37:45 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Try reloading all of your extensions, most likely that is why it is crashing.
vossejongk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:07:33 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Firefox liked to corrupt the main password file when it crashed so I threw it out the window.
Dreadedsemi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:49:42 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hear people say that. Maybe on specific setup? I switched from firefox (many years ago) because chrome is really good with tabs. I still can open hundreds of tabs with no problem. what's your pc specs?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:52:01 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've recently went back to Firefox after years of using Chrome. The main reason for me was that certain web pages would just act strange and nothing I could do would fix it, whereas Firefox simply didn't have the problems at all.
I'm pretty happy with the switch so far. I've been using the Nightly builds.
thamag ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:17:49 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Does firefox have similar auto-syncing capabilities as chrome? the UI and the cloud bookmarks and settings is all that's keeping me on chrome. It's such a sucker for RAM
Kalez85 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:31:14 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love Firefox but the memory leak issues are unreal.
unfunnydick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:37:11 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Last month both Chrome and Firefox were unusable ass. Computer kept slowing to a crawl. Thought I picked up malware or some shit - changing adblocker plus to ublocker fixed it. What the hell.
hyperblaster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:02:51 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's memory. Upgraded my discount dell laptop to 16GB. Both browsers work like a charm even with over two dozen open tabs.
zomgitsduke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:04:34 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've been bouncing between the two. I like chrome a bit more because it can follow me between computers.
mrboombastic123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:15:10 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah chrome absolutely abuses my computer memory, and Firefox is decent but I still use chrome
JuniorSeniorTrainee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:31:56 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Chrome is also just not ideal if you're a programmer. These are just two small examples, but why is a browser in 2017 unable to offer a Match Case button on page search? Or why is chrome unable to support setting up a proxy without me having to configure it for my entire machine?
IMO Google's been going the way of apple: over simplifying their UI to the point of detriment.
jwcobb13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:37:45 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)*
if you are using the latest Firefox it is the fastest browser ever. They added multithread hardware powered whatsits.
yikesireddit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:48:00 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I also prefer Firefox since it's open source. Chrome is fast but I'm not thrilled about Google having more of my data.
vezokpiraka ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:51:02 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Firefox is also almost spyware. These days you just have to pick who gets your information.
I prefer using Opera, because it delivers information to China instead of the US.
techcp2014 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:53:43 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I seem to flow opposite the stream of users for some reason.
When everyone was on Chrome, I was on Firefox because it felt so much better at the time. Now that people are switching to Firefox, I'm on Google Chrome because it feels so much better. Weird. I have more crashes on my Macbook from Firefox than Chrome.
Esunaproxy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:58:34 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But Firefox doesn't even support input type="date"!!!
xeno211 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:02:35 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I try to use Firefox consistently, since they are a non profit and push for open source tech, but sometimes i run into issues and have to use chrome
KentuckyThumbpicker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:16:54 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Great Suspender solves this problem, hands down my favourite chrome addon.
GourdGuard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:44:12 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Now that Firefox has declared their intention to start collecting user browsing information, I'm probably going to switch to Chrome or Edge. I've never thought Firefox was the best browser, but it was good enough and it respected my privacy. Take the latter away, and I'm out.
Banshee90 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:45:54 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Chrome is a memory thief, I switched back to firefox.
youregonnawannado ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:31:12 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So I like to configure my settings. A lot of them, but chrome has just randomly reset it's settings like 3 times now. Switching to firefox.
Sephonik ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:27:50 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can you eli5 why chrome has so many tasks running at once? I try to change the performance priority when it's slow but never know which one to boost.
jmlinden7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:51:34 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I upgraded my laptop to one with 8gb RAM just so I could run Chrome better
AliceBlossom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:17:59 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You probably already know this, but the developer version of Firefox is 1 version past consumer and has huge performance improvements. It's awesome.
rivermandan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:59:53 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
chrome is dogshit and has been for years. FF was dogshit years ago but has been getting its act together in the past few years. my personal favourite is still safari, but support is constantly dropping for it so I might have to switch back to the old ff
klawz86 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:31:56 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me too, love me some Chrome, but a couple of patches ago it went to shit for me. No idea why.
TheWhitefish ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:01:34 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I always find that when I leave my computer running for days, and Firefox is running, it will inevitably take up enough memory to make me end its shit.
Otherwise a perfect browser.
Dirtybeanflicker ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:16:31 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bet you a dollar you swap the ram and that stops
sigurddh ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:46:32 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Used to only use Firefox. Now I'm all up in that Vivaldi. Some of the same issues as Chrome regarding ressource hogging, but all of that customizeability (word?) just tickles all the right places
theseleadsalts ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:47:24 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have to use a combination of both. Some things Chrome does best, and some things Firefox does best.
omninode ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 08:25:45 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I use Edge exclusively for video streaming. As far as I know, it's still the only browser that gets full 1080p video from Netflix. So Edge is basically a video app as far as I'm concerned.
jayswolo ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 08:48:55 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you do know Netflix has an app right?
Simplerdayz ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 09:07:55 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure why you got downvoted, the Netflix uwp app was the first platform to support 1080p.
coscorrodrift ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:59:44 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True for netflix, but some other video things work only on Edge. Apple's WWDC livestreams come to mind
michaddit ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:59:49 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What do you mean?
Netflix told me that if I want to stream UHD on a 4K screen laptop I need to use Edge.
Resolutie:
APiousCultist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:41:44 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Windows Store has a standalone Netflix app that at the very least does 1080p if not full 4K.
MrSlaw ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:03:30 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Using the app is also the only way to get Netflix in 5.1 surround sound on Windows if that's something you need.
viroverix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:32:42 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Guess that means they only offer 720p for Linux.
yer_momma ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:43:10 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Huh. TIL Netflix has an app.
Testiculese ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:03:25 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
netflix.exe app or browser app?
fireballx777 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:55 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've had issues with the Netflix app where it takes a minute+ to load when going into the menus. I've also had issues with Netflix in Edge causing the browser to crash. I've settled for watching faux HD in Chrome.
omninode ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:20:29 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The app is fine, but it's much more convenient to just open Edge and have bookmarks to all my video services, rather than switching between different apps.
jantari ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:46:25 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Edge is the king of video streaming in general. Watch a 1080p or 4K YouTube video and compare CPU usage between Chrome and Edge. Chrome will drop frames and lock you at 100% on anything but very new machines (especially laptops and tablets), Edge plays it buttery smooth at 2-5% CPU use
deadlybydsgn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:38:51 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)*
Same here. It also utilizes 5.1 audio by default.
/edit/ Like I mentioned in another reply, it means I can do all streaming (Netflix, Prime, Xfinity, etc.) from a browser with bookmarks rather than depending on each service's Win10 app (if they exist).
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:07:29 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe you can force Netflix to use enough bandwidth to run in 1080p in the options. Or at least you used to be able to.
Gunship_Jones ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 07:56:31 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have reverted back to Netscape Navigator and spend all my time working on my GeoCities
kerowhack ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 08:44:51 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's a shining endorsement:
"... definitely usable...," says redditor u/stml
But what are other users saying about Edge?
"Great to download Chrome or Firefox"
"It keeps resetting itself to default browser and I'm tired of fighting it. So very, very tired"
"Microsoft gives me points to use it with Bing Rewards... well no, not bribery per se"
"My grandson told me the big blue 'e' was for 'enternet', and that's how I remember it"
"Wait, why didn't that open in Chrome? What the..."
"Our IT department locks down our work computers"
I think we just found Microsoft's new Edge campaign
cunningham_law ยท 57 points ยท Posted at 10:32:28 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"I'll just click on this link here in the pdf, Chrome'll open that right up"
Computer starts whirring, lights start flashing
Computer fans sound like they're going to take off
Microsoft Edge rises from the unfathomable eldritch deep
"You forgot to undefault me" it whispers as my computer monitor starts weeping blood
el_padlina ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 11:28:28 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Meh, it's ok browser. I used to shit and spit hate on IE in my webdev days, but since edge it's becoming usable. Never had it try to reset as my default browser either- if that happens to anyone get a fucking proper antivirus or stop visiting shady websites you pervs, probably something nasty downloaded itself and integrated into browser.
Chrome's obviously better, though it chugs through memory like insane and for some reason it's updates behave weird for me. Sometimes I have to manually download the latest version.
Firefox is good too, just something about the UX that rubs me the wrong way, can't even tell exactly what.
Teantis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:28:13 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't seem to play gifs from my hard drive
ButterflyAttack ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 07:59:23 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shit, I'm really out of date - since I stepped on my last laptop if been managing to get by exclusively with phones. . . What's Edge? A browser, I guess, replacing internet explorer?
billybigboobs ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 08:42:29 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just bought my first laptop in 4 years. I felt like I really needed it, but now I just find myself using my tab or phone instead. It's not powerful enough to game on, and all my browsing needs are covered elsewhere. I guess word processing might become an important feature once August is over and everyone goes back to work.
ButterflyAttack ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:59:32 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, that's the thing. I'm on the move a lot, so I don't have a desktop or tv, most films I even watch on my phone or tablet these days. And I'm phasing out the tablet!
Maybe in a few months when I've got other priorities paid for I'll buy myself a laptop. But, like you say, I'd be using it mainly for gaming (if I can get a decent one) and work production. And connectivity - I've a load of stuff on hard drives I can't access with my phone.
I'd love to get back into coding, but I don't have the time. Other than those things. . . I don't need a computer at all. Never thought I'd say that!
naknekv ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:25:07 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really couldn't stand watching a Hollywood production meant to be watched in cinemas with good audio in a 5inch screen, but maybe that's just me.
metric_units ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:25:10 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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jantari ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:49:47 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a new browser in Windows 10, the new default - so in that way it replaced IE11, but Internet Explorer is obviously still installed because it's needed.
Froggypwns ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:01:24 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, since when did they let you out of /r/Windows10โฝ
Valmond ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:54:34 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's basically Internet Explorer rebranded.
HingelMcCringelBarry ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 11:03:52 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
While it's cool and hip to say that, I'm pretty sure it was rewritten from the ground up. So maybe it sucks, but it's not just an update to IE.
Valmond ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:08:08 on August 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nope was not rewritten from the ground up.
thefreecat ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 07:44:08 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's much easier to download ff with edge then with ie ๐
elint ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 08:41:20 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
With modern versions of Windows, you can use PowerShell to install chocolatey and then ff without ever having to open a Microsoft browser. The future is here!
spook327 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 09:46:36 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The future is 1996! We used to use the built-in CLI FTP client to download the latest version of Netscape Navigator and never touch IE.
TheBlueberryPirate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:07:49 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pfft lynx over a 2400bps connection or go home. NN is for fatcats.
jantari ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:51:12 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh please, Chocolatey is trash. You can use actual PowerShell (invoke-webrequest) to download anything off of the web, and subsequently install it.
xydroh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:59:37 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I use windows server on my job and sometimes I just can't use anything else because web interfaces from EMC or HP would only load on edge/explorer for some reason.
AWaveInTheOcean ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:24:45 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The only time I'll use edge or internet explorer is for testing that a web page works. Safari is an entire other nightmare.
WalkToTheGallows ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:39:44 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I use Chrome exclusively, except to get my Twitch Prime rewards, for some reason I can't get them on Chrome and only on Edge :s
mitus-2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:37:17 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Edge is defintely usable but there isn't any mobile version yet, so i continue to use Chrome to have to benefit of shared bookmarks and history
DixEverywhere ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:42:15 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me too, can't seem to let go of Chrome.
However, I'm considering changing browsers soon since a lot of ads on youtube/twitch seem to be able to get past adblock on Chrome, but not for Firefox/Edge.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:47:16 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Edge on Win 10 is not bad. I use it for Office. I also use Chrome and Firefox.
SykeSwipe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:32:24 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Still a chrome poweruser as well, but I think edge looks much cleaner than any of the staples.
Shredzz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:35:24 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Edge is fine, but last time i checked it didn't have extensions so you couldn't have adblock or RES or anything. That was the only problem i had
AuroraHalsey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:54:26 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I normally use chrome by sheer habit.
I use Edge quite a bit for streaming though as Chrome doesn't work as well with some players.
joshuaRHolden ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:56:47 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Edge is actually pretty good now, probably the fastest for webGL /html 4 stuff, as a web-developer I now no longer get sweaty thinking about making my sites look the same in Microsoft browsers!
Good work MS!
ScriptThat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:13:33 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Edge would be decently usable if sync actually worked. I don't just want synced bookmarks. I want synced bookmarns, settings, autofilled forms, passwords, addons, EVERYTHING!
Opera, FF, and Chrome let me do that. Get to work, Edge!
sketchybusiness ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:37:53 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think edge is that bad anymore. The only really annoying thing is that right clicking in a page doesn't show options like chrome does. Most of the time it's like "copy" and "open in New tab". But most of all on gmail it tells me that it's best to run it on chrome and that bugs me lol. Edge is crisp though. Viewing webpage previews in the tabs bar is neat.
I keep edge on my taskbar but only usually open it by accident haha
discountsethrogen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:38:26 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Use Opera my dude . It has some of the same code as Chrome but it doesn't shit the bed when I have twenty tabs open. It ben has battery options and a vpn built in
Keyframe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:38:36 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Chrome is a nice operating system. Maybe we could run Firefox in it?
zenope ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:59:33 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I use chrome on my Desktop but in my College laptop I use Edge the function to set aside a set of tabs for later is important when you only have 4gb of Ram.
Officerbonerdunker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:06:43 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Chrome has such a great web inspector with copy xpath functionality
NatureBaker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:26:55 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everything is chrome in the future!
petermesmer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:34:55 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Edge is the fastest sleekest way yet to download Chrome on a new PC.
half-wizard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:53:57 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like your statement really sets the tone. You say Edge is usable, but you still use Chrome. Which reminds me of this argument:
Well, if Corona were good, why does it need Lime? If it were good we would drink just Corona, not Corona and Lime. We put the Lime in it because it is not good.
Edge may be usable, but that doesn't make it good.
WolfHunterzz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:23:06 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know I'm late to the conversation but edge seems to be the most lightweight on my system. When I'm running overwatch and want to stream music, I'll have edge open in the background because it has the least noticeable drop in frames. I use Firefox for everything else though.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:47:27 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
especially now that you can install addons
hoseja ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:01:58 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's so fucking feature-barren though. And the tabs are really infuriating in several ways.
eycoli2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:40:36 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The only hope for edge right now is if chrome is fucked really bad
MasterSandBoxer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:20:31 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I use edge for hbo go. (Chrome, hbo go, and my mother board do not mix for some reason and when ever I watch it my main monitor turns on and off every 5 seconds. On edge it only does it when you start the video
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:12:19 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I optimize my computer to use everything low resource. Firefox seems to have some issues with web pages that have accreditation and chrome uses way too much CPU resource. Even on a AMD thread Ripper I still don't like using Chrome. I like that edge basically uses nothing but bandwith, and can be modified to not run scripts.
viroverix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:30:06 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, it's usable now. IE6 was a good browser when it released, they just barely updated it for about six years.
yodelocity ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:57:37 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not usable until you can put ad blocker on it.
Is that an option now?
zhezow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:37:44 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Chrome is the real shit.
p.s.: one panda dies in China for every downvote this comment gets.
garyyo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:08:31 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
im just used to chrome and its ecosystem. i know how to do things in it and it doesnt shit itself sometimes like firefox does for me. but if chrome and firefox never existed i would totally use edge because its like pretty good
Whiterabbit-- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:37:06 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wanted to try Edge when I updated to windows 10, but on my computer once you launch it, you can't close or minimize it without going through task manager. but Chrome works well.
matholio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:48:42 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's OK. At work I have it the default, at home Chrome. Prefer Chrome.
Kal_Ho_Na_Ho ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:26:27 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I use Edge because it is the only one which displays the numbers in the local Indian numbering format. Firefox used to do that too but idk why is it not possible now
TheMasterNoob ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:23:56 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All this Chrome talk is confusing me, because I use Chrome and almost always have 20+ tabs and sometimes a second window with multiple tabs and I never had a problem with 16 gbs of ram. While some guy talked about having around 10 tabs and 16gbs of ram Having programs crash cause of no memory. Is Chrome just bad for certain hardware?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:46:09 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Edge is fine until you develop a website using literally any other browser then start doing cross-browser compatibility tests and the motherfucker decides to fuck up your css or doesn't support half the html5 features you're using. IE/Edge is holding back web development as a whole and it's a freaking shame.
pyrocompulsive ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:12:40 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it's funny bc on my brand new i7 7700 pc with a GeForce 1060, chrome won't allow me to watch YouTube videos in anything above 1440p...meanwhile, edge will allow me to view anything in 8k60fps. hahaha like wtf, Google.
TailSpinBowler ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:08:50 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've had Edge just vanish after getting confused. Usually when usign office online. No error message. Just poof!
SomeRandomMax ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:13:00 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. Edge is a great browser... Just not as good as the others that I like better.
vijrox ยท 102 points ยท Posted at 08:10:09 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, edge eats a LOT less of my resources than chrome, not sure whats so unbelievable about that. edge was built completely separately from internet explorer, it's not a rebrand
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:19:38 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Edge definitely feels the most responsive and appears to render the quickest, but half the plugins I use in FF just aren't available in Edge. I'd give it a genuine try if they were.
Natanael_L ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 09:41:55 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)*
It still uses plenty of code from IE
Edit: anybody who doesn't believe me can just check the list of IE exploits that were also found in Edge, unmodified. /r/netsec has most of it
MThead ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 09:47:40 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why would you rewrite something like say for example the css processor.
There's plenty of stuff you can copy paste without it being a problem or even noticeable.
Rewriting literally every line would be a complete waste of time.
Natanael_L ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:16:36 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just read half of the /r/netsec threads on Edge. It's notwhere near a total rewrite, sooo many IE bugs and exploits are still in Edge.
TheFloorIsntLava ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:37:42 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe you're right, maybe not. I use it everyday and haven't had a problem. Then again I don't see the big deal, it's just a browser.
0xdeadf001 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:10:17 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)*
I was a dev on Edge for about a year. Edge is a fork of IE. Basically, the team said, IE is for backward compatibility (mostly with corporate intranet sites), and we're going to fork it, and in the fork we're going to do 10 years of cleanup and perf fixes that we've been unable to do, because of backward compatibility. The name of the fork is Edge.
There is some great work in Edge. But it is absolutely a fork of IE. You would be astonished just how much code there is in any major browser. Starting over from scratch is just not practical.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:12:30 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I had read something that Edge was actually using some of the Chromium codebase, so I guess that isn't true?
0xdeadf001 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:14:33 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, definitely not true. They might both be using some of the same open source libraries, like libflate or PNG decoder, but that's not Chromium code.
Excal2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:03:22 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure why you're being downvoted; this has been well-documented by KrebsOnSecurity and a number of other reputable security blogs.
Natanael_L ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:29:28 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I guess they fell for their ad campaign. If anything, they polished the surface. The internals aren't very different.
Excal2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:41:04 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean everyone here is right. I'll agree with the other guys that MS did a lot of work on streamlining the development process, but like you said a lot of that is polish and optimization. While that does turn out beneficial for front end development and end users, it doesn't mean there isn't recycled code and repeated bugs and exploits. I just don't get why your side of the discussion got put down.
I mean let's get real here the real stigma of Edge is that it couldn't shake the IE branding and they launched without extension support.
MMEnter ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 12:10:08 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well it uses the same engin and o don't believe the rebuild until it is gets updates apart from the OS.
mt_xing ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:11:36 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It uses a different engine, though...
[deleted] ยท 141 points ยท Posted at 08:25:15 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As a webdev, I haven't really hated IE since about 8 or 9 anymore. And it's a literal far cry compared to the dumpster fires that were IE 6 and 7.
I have more problems with rendering quirks in Firefox than in IE or edge. When I develop something for Chrome, I can now be about 99% certain that it will run the same in Edge. Javascript performance is adequate, CSS rendering does what it's supposed to do, the debugger is allright and lack of activex means it's a lot more secure.
Maybe because your opinion is stupid and about 8 years out of date, literally too dumb to even respond to. This is the technological equivalent of somebody hating on Tesla because internal combustion engines are bad for the environment.
Is it the best browser? Absolutely not. I still hate it for general web browsing, but it doesn't want to make me kill myself anymore. The progress Microsoft has made with their browser is astonishing and it isn't the gaping security hole that IE used to be.
J4nG ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:39:42 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for this. I thought I was going insane looking at the other replies.
Whatever freaky crap Firefox is doing with their rendering engine, it'd be cool if they'd fix it.
SuperiorExcess ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 10:03:00 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aren't you the cleverest Redditor around. I don't know why they didn't just started sucking you off because of your god tier tech advice.
jokul ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:27:15 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're definitely not going to let any corporations taint their perceptions, that's why they use Google Chrome(R), the fastest, most effective internet browsing tool on the market. They forgot to mention you can download it at https://www.google.com/chrome/, that's https://www.google.com/chrome/ in case you forgot.
[deleted] ยท 196 points ยท Posted at 07:43:18 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:21:31 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol your username reminds me of the accent I had years ago when I just moved to the US.. kinda sad it's gone tbh girls thought it was cute
But yeah what as asinine question..
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:55:21 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can like to visit sometime, oraait?
ConspicuousPineapple ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 09:23:37 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean it is a decent browser. It has the benefit of a completely new and clean codebase, with very little clutter. It doesn't support many extensions yet, so the featureset isn't quite there yet, but it definitely holds its own against the big players.
This sounds like a pretty dumb thing to say.
musaabali ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:24:57 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Edge doesn't have a completely new codebase. Edge is a fork of internet explorer, but rebranded, so it still has some explorer bugs, but they might fix them.
ConspicuousPineapple ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:45:25 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some of its modules (like the layout engine) are forks of modules from explorer. The whole browser, not quite.
ConerNSFW ยท 162 points ยท Posted at 07:28:25 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Edge is close enough to Firefox and Chrome now that I can understand people legitimately liking it.
gafgalron ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 07:52:33 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was having issues at one point trying to fix a computer. I got tired of loading another browser when edge was already there so I started to use it. I have no strong feelings about it. I don't do anything fancy and it lets me look at porn and use addblocker and that is good enough.
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 07:46:46 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I go 50/50 edge and chrome. Not sure why. But I usually use them for different projects I'm working on at the same time. I don't feel edge is inferior. Edge randomly quits and chrome randomly uses a available memory. They're both fine most of the time.
theivoryserf ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 12:34:59 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For me Edge is actually way quicker now. Although still fuck Bing.
thatguyoverthere202 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 12:56:51 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've actually been using Bing a decent amount now. Google sucks for porn nowadays.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:26:53 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hahah. I actually use it at work and on my phone for the reward points. Itโs pretty much a free $5 amazon card or two every month
theivoryserf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:28:25 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know why, but it's way quicker than Chrome for me now.
MaliciousHH ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:01:32 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's also much faster than Chrome or Firefox.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:28:13 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)*
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ConerNSFW ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:30:15 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That why I don't use it. It has just so many little things like that. They're not big issues on their own but they're so many of them that they eventually get to you.
silverdevilboy ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 07:57:03 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Edge is great compared to explorer. They made development suck way less, improved performance, and added features we expect from browsers nowadays. Compared to actually good browsers, it's still a downgrade for most people.
I'd still choose Firefox over edge, but if Firefox somehow ceased to exist I'd use edge over chrome on low end systems just because it's less ram hungry. Or one of the ones I haven't tried using myself, like opera.
Essentially, it's still sub-par but it's not hilariously awful enough to be a joke anymore.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 08:27:06 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Opera these days is just a reskinned chrome with all the google shit replaced/removed. With a bit of fidgeting you can even install chrome extensions.
silverdevilboy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:28:45 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I knew it was based on chromium but I thought it still did a lot of things very differently? But fair enough. I'ma stick to Firefox or chrome unless they both suck at the same time.
jantari ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:55:30 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The extension model of Edge is compatible with Chrome extensions too. At one point you could simply install Chrome extensions in Edge and they worked, but they've since added a little check - basically as a developer you now have to change 1-4 strings and it's converted to work with Edge.
aprofondir ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:02:45 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why do you think it's not good?
rjens ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:39:38 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I couldn't believe it when the company I worked at developed a site primarily for chrome and I loaded it in Edge for the first time and it pretty much looked and worked right.
ChunkyLaFunga ยท 98 points ยท Posted at 08:07:36 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's nothing like a computer virus, that's why.
TehMau5 ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 07:42:42 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)*
The smooth scrolling, panning and zooming in Edge is literally the only reason I stick with it. Makes my browsing experience on a laptop with a touch pad/touchscreen a million times less frustrating and more satisfying.
If only Firefox and Chrome could ever achieve that level of smoothness, until then I'll stick with edge.
aprofondir ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 12:02:10 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Firefox has smoother scrolling if you turn off smooth scrolling . No joke.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:23:22 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Amen to that. I don't use Edge, but compared to Chrome and FF, it has the smoothest scrolling I've seen. A good comparison is Safari on iOS or MacOS vs Chrome or FF on them. I don't use Safari, but when it accidentally opens I'm always immediately reminded at how much smoother it scrolls than Chrome or FF. Same with Edge on my PC.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:59:49 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are plugins for that
vlees ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 08:09:44 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm using linux in my day to day life, but whenever I now have to use a computer with Windows 10 on it (e.g. public pc, without Firefox installed) I no longer start to feel pain everywhere when I have to use Edge for a short while, unlike IE.
In all seriousness, I defended Edge before and I will do it again: it's a usable, fast browser that properly renders websites. All of those three things never applied to the predecessor.
And I don't understand why people keep complaining: they just changed the name!1!!!
Yes, they changed the name, and made it usable... And probably changed the name because otherwise people would still associate it with the utter shit IE was.
superfahd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:57:59 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A linux user defending edge! I gotta say, your comment is the one that finally got me to give it another chance. Extensions are sparse, as you said, but I tend to use as few extension as I can manage and somehow, Edge had almost all the ones that I needed (Alientube would have been nice). I'm happy enough to use is alongside chrome now
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 07:59:53 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you're still hating on it you just haven't used it. I prefer chrome, but the last few IEs and Edge are really not that bad.
Helicobacter ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:21:32 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)*
I used Edge as a backup browser for a while and at one point it just crashed with ~6 tabs open and no restore features for those tabs. I would have different expectations from any non-MS browser.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:34:15 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then why am I still having to write code exceptions for them on every website I build?
AvatarOfMomus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:02:16 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As someone who does web dev Edge is seriously a major improvement in what it supports and how it behaves in general. I won't say that I personally like it or use it much, but compared to old IE it really doesn't deserve a lot of the crap it gets.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 12:22:51 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No they probably just screenshotted your idiotic comment and sent it to their friends
ViktorCrayon ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 09:26:33 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's actually alright, if you're using a surface. How does this work, can i ask microsoft for money now?
dedasdude ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:40:00 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unfortunately most enterprise stuff works best on ie, speciallly if you need Microsoft silver light.
Wookie301 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:55:32 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've never used it on a pc, but I liked it on my old windows phone.
syryquil ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:08:47 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I notice your not responding to people saying Microsoft edge is fine. But it is.
Posid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:37:30 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't use Edge myself but this sounds a bit ridiculous, got any sources to back that up?
Seems like needless flak if you ask me. I mean sure you might not like Edge, but unless you can actually describe in which way the software is a virus then it's just pointless bandwagoning hurhur MS is dumb kind of stuff.
If it's because Edge collects information about you or anything of that sort... then a majority of the software you can find is a "virus".
OMG_NoReally ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:03:22 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Edge is not garbage but it's certainly not in the same caliber as Chrome or FF or Opera.
JaxTheHobo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:29:54 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's gotten to the point now that if I see someone using Edge, I don't cringe internally. I have to use it at work and I don't have any problems that can't be attributed to slow internet. I still prefer Chrome, but if I'm using a computer without Chrome for a few hours, I'm not gonna feel the need to go download it. Given the choice between Edge and Firefox, I'd stick with Edge.
tartanbornandred ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:52:16 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have a windows 10 tablet and edge is the best I've used for using touch screen on full windows.
I'd rather use firefox but everything is too small.
Tenki65 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 08:04:34 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Edge on a windows based tablet is amazing - even more since they added support for plugins.
I can't really speak for battery life, but on my (older) Asus Transformer T100 it's the best browser while in touch/tablet mode (I always use chrome when using it docked).
VMaxF1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:42:59 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My biggest frustration is that the uBlock Origin plugin for Edge requires the release after the newest one that's ever going to work on my Atom tablet. ABP is just not the same, but I'm still happier with Edge vs anything else.
sprucay ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:57:33 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean I quite like edge. Mind you, I never had a huge issue with explorer.
DragoonDM ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:22:06 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Edge has a pretty tiny marketshare (at least going by my own analytics data), but still juuust enough that I have to make sure my site is compatible with it.
I think it's a decent browser, but I'm still wary of anything Microsoft puts out. I'm mildly traumatized from having to support their earlier dumpsterfires.
recycled_ideas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:45:28 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Edge actually doesn't suck since anniversary update and it's almost good now.
There's absolutely no compelling reason to use it instead of chrome or Firefox, but it isn't shit.
Microsoft should have come out this time last year with a big campaign basically saying. "We're sorry, edge was shit, but it's not anymore".
Instead they tried to nag people into using it.
aprofondir ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:58:25 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah because your response made no sense. Edge is good.
salgat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:16:05 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What? It's actually pretty good, will (or maybe already?) support extensions like firefox and chrome, and uses a new open source javascript engine. I'm sticking with Chrome but I give props where it's due.
neuropsycho ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:59:36 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For some reason, on my low-spec notebook, Edge is much much much more responsive than firefox or chrome, even without plugins. And I'm a free software enthusiast.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:05:15 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
when our company upgraded to windows 10, there was a period where 80% of the support calls where issues caused by stuff being opened in Edge instead of a program that works.
labatomi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:05:38 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually I love edge and it works a lot better than chrome and it's faster too. Only reason I don't us it it's because I'm already too invested in the chrome ecosystem.
SpaceShrimp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:19:44 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I tried to use Edge to listen to music on youtube. There was stuttering sound, so no Edge for me.
msg45f ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:05:07 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In terms of actually supporting the browser features the spec stipulates they should, they have done a pretty good job in recent years of getting it together. IE was once the bane of developers due to this, but newer versions are pretty good. Not sure about actual users though - I haven't bothered.
heefledger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:08:43 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Microsoft (R) Edge (tm) is great for me :) all of those new features are awesome and it's so fast! Microsoft (R) Edge (tm) is ๐๐ป๐๐ป(Microsoft pm me for my mailing address)
MMEnter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:09:03 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love it, it works best with touch and pen and dose anything I need.
zunnyhh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:10:57 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are a few situations that I actually prefer to use Edge over Chrome(which is my standard browser)
I use a two monitors and if i'm gaming, and want to watch youtube/netflix/twitch I usually use Edge for that since it is less resource heavy than Chrome, meaning I get better FPS n such in games.. However it's not good enough to completely replace Chrome, yet atleast.
RossBoss95 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:43:58 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Edge is pretty good contrast to IE11, however Chrome and even browsers like Oera are much better
__Jordan__ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:47:27 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's still shite but I think it's definitely moving in the right direction. I still don't consider it a contender when it comes to internet browsers.
Camorune ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:51:46 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In ye olden days it sucked but anymore it's my go to browser after getting sick of the amount of resources firefox and chrome use. (especially chrome it's like they made it too kill laptops more than 5 years old)
Jagd3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:56:42 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
IDK anything about a virus but I actually really like edge. I've been using it at work and it is great. If I could change me default search engine from bing to Google I think it could actually compete against any other browser. The stubborn insistance on forcing you to use Bing really sinks it though.
Other than bing what is wrong with it?
boringuser2652104208 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:02:11 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Edge is an excellent program, it just has the same problem as the excellent Windows phone; no app ecosystem.
batmanAPPROVED ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:11:40 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Edge is the default at my school, first time I used it was yesterday. Surprised at how not terrible it is, but also I'm someone who doesn't really know the ins and outs of what makes a browser both good and not a liability
nwL_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:14:37 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone visiting my website from IE or Edge gets redirected to the Firefox installation page. Iโm not sorry.
PM_ME_FOR_DIRTY_TALK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:12:58 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One time a webpage refused to work on chrome and it opened right away on edge. I do use Chrome 99.9% of the time though
Thing_On_Your_Shelf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:14:37 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey edge is good, especially on the Surface devices. Has much better touch and pen inpute than chrome.
not_a_moogle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:14:59 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Edge is a good start in the right direction, but still needs better plugin support.
softawre ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:20:37 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And what is your expertise? Edge does great for some things, like downloading large files.
pnkwaterbottle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:21:29 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like edge over chrome now after using it. The trackpad zoom on chrome stutters
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:27:40 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How is edge basically a virus? What are you on about?
Staggerlee024 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:30:52 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Edge isn't bad. Faster than Chrome but lacks the plugin ecosystem.
deadlybydsgn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:36:26 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I use it for one thing and one thing only -- video streaming services.
Why? Because it supports 5.1 audio "out of the box," whereas Chrome or other browsers seem to require a bit of tweaking first. I think the Win10 Netflix app does 5.1, but streaming through Edge means I don't need a separate app for everything.
Eclapse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:00:28 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Edge isn't bad, it just sucks when compared to Firefox and Chrome cause it's textbook internet browsing. Nothing more, nothing less.
crazymonkeyfish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:20:31 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Netflix runs at 1080p in edge while not in chrome according to Netflix. The only use for me
HardlyEverRelevant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:44 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I grew up using IE so I use Edge as it's familiar. I guess i dont really know the benefits of Chrome or Firefox.
ProfitLemon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:00:00 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Edge is pretty light as far as browsers go and it's pretty nice to use. Also you're high as hell if you think Google isn't getting as much info as possible from you to sell when you use Chrome, it's not just Microsoft. That said Microsoft's submissive whining built in to Windows 10 begging you to try Edge is a large part of the reason I don't use Edge lol
jmkni ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:00:44 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have you used Edge?
It's a solid browser. It's very fast, standards compliant, has all of the same major plugins as Chrome/Firefox.
enderandrew42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:49 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone someone likes something they must be a plant?
I still use Chrome as my everyday browser, but I don't see how anyone can call Edge a virus. Do you know what a virus is?
Edge is miles better than IE ever was.
swiftb3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:34 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't use either much, but I actually prefer IE10 to Edge.
MystJake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:30:05 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Haven't tried Edge, but I'm so set in my ways with Chrome that nothing else feels right.
nikongmer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:00:58 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)*
One reason I would use Edge over all others is for its incognito/private browsing mode... and it's not for the reason you think. In all other browsers, when you open up a new tab, you get blinded by a white screen as the page loads. Edge is the only browser I know that doesn't do this but unfortunately, it's only in incog mode that the dark theme is present.
Rohitt624 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:58:21 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I use chrome and only chrome. On the off chance that chrome doesn't work for something, I try waterfox, Firefox, and edge in that order. I'm pretty sure edge takes up less ram which would be better for me but I jusy prefer chrome.
_vrmln_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:12:01 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't tell whether r/hailcorporate is a joke not because sometimes it seems like people are just taking the piss but other times it seems like they are actually serious. Not sure what to believe
tekdemon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:53:35 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Edge is clearly superior on laptops and tablets, since it supports the precision touchpads with their gestures and works really well with the touch screens for scrolling around. The other browsers do really badly with these, even after putting a lot of effort into trying to optimize them. But on a full blown desktop with tons of power I still prefer Chrome because of the ecosystem of extensions available. But for battery life and usability with non-mouse input Edge is a clear winner.
ChuckVader ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:45:34 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really really like edge... But I'm just too deep in the Google ecosystem. I use Chrome for everything and having all my passwords always filled, or all my siteory accessible from all devices basically makes it impossible for me to leave.
rivermandan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:58:51 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
edge has been pretty alright, albeit featureless. the best thing about edge is that there isn;'t much in the way of malware for it for some reason, which is odd because the kind of people that get malware are exactly the kind of people that are using edge while calling it "internet explorer"
AllMyName ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:22:25 on August 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's funny. Chrome is basically Google malware.
Trunks817 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:29:09 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Once we start getting more plugins it will be even better. I've never had a virus so far and my battery life is far better when using it over chrome. There is a video someone put out showing how much better battery life you get with it. Dunno, lay off the shady porn sites I guess? Lol
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:41:22 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm actually a fan of Microsoft Edge, I definitely wasn't before it got extensions. Firefox freezes all the time for me and Chrome is a memory hog and locks up on occasion.
Ominusx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:52:40 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Edge is good enough for sure. I use Chrome, but if I had to swap I wouldn't mind.
danzey12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:41:01 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because that's a dead meme and it's a usable browser?
Designer_J ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:45:27 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really like Edge actually.
BamaFan87 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:50:41 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Edge IS better than Chrome and Firefox
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 07:32:48 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)*
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Ishouldbepolite ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 07:51:33 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you telling me in a thread related to tje subject was an obsessive "true believer" nerd who was heavily pushing his prefered but unpopular piece of software?
Not saying it wasn't corporate, just saying it's far from certain it was.
SuperiorExcess ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:05:02 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just like you know what features your preferred browser has right?
zeimusCS ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:03:18 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
dude um edge is actually better than chrome for as chrome doesnt support certain video codec and stuff so video is superior in edge or safari on macos
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:33:27 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Those who like Edge clearly are not web developers.
Perryn ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 06:11:48 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ever tried to repair Edge when it breaks? It's basically a black box that you can reset and not much else. I'd rather keep working with IE if those are my only options.
ERROR_ ยท 66 points ยท Posted at 06:34:38 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
what? what kind of breaking and repairing are you doing with other browsers
CrystalLord ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 06:43:07 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Firefox has
about:configfor a huge range of settings. Chrome/Chromium has thechrome://pages which are quite useful.uranium4breakfast ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:00:45 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but most people won't ever need to go there :/
aarghIforget ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 07:06:05 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And therefore, according to Microsoft doctrine, it is unnecessary.
Ishouldbepolite ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:22:59 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not unnecessary, but likely to create more problems for them than happy customers if they include it.
SpiderFnJerusalem ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 07:26:40 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
90% of people know nothing about the engines in their car and will barely touch them. That doesn't mean the hood should be bolted shut.
TaiGlobal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:41:15 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not the best analogy. If your car fails then there's no reset button, you have to take it to a mechanic who is a part of the 10% that knows about the engine (hopefully) and would need access. If your web browser crashes you can just close and reopen it or restart your computer.
SpiderFnJerusalem ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:54:25 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I guess my analogy was too simplistic. The picture I had in my head was that the car could only be serviced by certified technicians.
Also, if your firefox profile breaks, all you have to do is reset your browser profile or reinstall it. In edge the process is somewhat more labourious.
Ishouldbepolite ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:43:57 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not saying it should, just saying why they probably do it, not approving it.
HowAboutShutUp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:57:30 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, but they do put big ass plastic engine shrouds on a lot of newer vehicles. I think making at accessible, but only accessible to somebody who knows what they're doing would be a fair compromise.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:05:58 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shrouds are for making a weak low emissions engine look pretty, it's easy to take off.
Perryn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:06:44 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It also provides some sound dampening for the chatter of high pressure fuel injectors.
ihavetenfingers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:19:41 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So a regular about:config then ยฏ\_(ใ)_/ยฏ
BrQQQ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:52:40 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You have to open the hood to perform basic maintenance and therefore to even use the car. It's not "advanced settings", it's a critical part.
If you need advanced settings in a product and it doesn't have them, then you are not the target audience. Can just use something else then.
Perryn ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:05:29 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The customers are not happy when the IT person who is supposed to fix it for them can only reset the app entirely, wiping their saved app data in the process. When IE or any other normal browser gets its homepage hijacked, there are plenty of tools to to fix just that. When a bit of malware script came around that hijacked Edge into opening a window saying they needed to call Microsoft and pay in gift cards to have it fixed, the only solution was to do a full reset of the app until they eventually updated Edge to make that particular attack not work.
Kal_Ho_Na_Ho ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:28:27 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Firefox with
about:configis much more customizable than chrome flagsaprofondir ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:03:28 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Edge has that too with about flags or something like that
re1jo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:14:23 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well to be fair, they have made good Internet Explorers. The issue is more like not updating it so it falls quickly behind the other browsers. They are somewhat in the right direction with EDGE, though.
bluew200 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:09:36 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Edge killed itself on the no-adblock early, and year later hype was gone
SolidSpruceTop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:33:22 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Edge could be great but it just feels half done. The interface is annoying, like how I can't search my history. I hate opening videos in new tabs and they start playing immediately. What I do notice is how freaking optimized edge is which is why I use it often, especially when I'm trying to stretch my battery. Still prefer Opera any day
jrsooner ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:38:22 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rip the main use for it, creating shortcuts through the webpage itself. Also the reopening of all tabs on a reset is annoying and I don't know how to turn it off.
enderandrew42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:28:48 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I still prefer Chrome. But honestly, the way to improve IE was to kill it and make something new. Edge isn't just a rebranded new version of IE.
There is no ActiveX. There are no Browser Helper Objects. It handles HTML 5 well. It supports extensions. It is a valid modern browser.
giffer44 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:58:19 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are they IE versions or Ford SUVs?
AbsoluteZeroK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:14:57 on August 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Edge is actually pretty decent from what I've seen, although I mostly use my Mac so I haven't used it that much. Only complaint is that they seem to be a bit slower to adopt new web standards, but they are not that far behind and seem to actively be trying to keep up. They also do some bleeding edge stuff. Like they're the entire reason we have grid layout as a CSS module now, but they have their own version and are trying to catch up to the standard.
Thameus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:34:10 on August 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The turd is dead. Long live the turd.
StackOfCookies ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:39:07 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Microsoft basically even admit to it: every time I have to check browser compatibility for a webpage, I start searching for internet explorer in windows 10 without thinking (I don't have IE installed, if it even still exists), and what do you know, microsoft edge comes up at the top anyway.
I_can_pun_anything ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:39:52 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which is even worse, and some how more prone to hijacker
fragmental ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 09:24:56 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I got an obviously fake message from a Facebook friend, with a link in it. The link wanted me to open it in Microsoft edge. Apparently, if I opened it, it would have sent the link to all my fb friends, by using some exploit in Edge. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
hetalkamdar ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 09:31:10 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Internet Explorer now called Edge. On the edge of ... ???
LocutusOfBorges ยท 196 points ยท Posted at 06:02:04 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They've even managed that now, with Edge.
I mean, nobody uses it - but at least it's in an impressive enough state that nobody's exactly rushing to call it bad, either.
SirBallalicious ยท 121 points ยท Posted at 06:49:29 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I use Edge because you cant watch 1080p Netflix videos in Chrome.
jesonnier ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 07:09:57 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why doesn't chrome support HD? Also, if you're on a Windows platform, I'm assuming the app supports HD and UHD, ya?
DebentureThyme ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 09:44:27 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
See here.
Mostly just contracts with rights holders that prevent streaming above a certain resolution using unapproved DRM systems.
The only one that they've accepted is the whole Windows 10 / Edge system (which isn't the standards everyone else is using), probably due to Microsoft control with autoupdates and their specific DRM approach.
goatcoat ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 12:26:47 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It makes a lot of sense that rights holders would allow 720p streaming but disallow 1080p streaming. If you look at torrent sites, you will see that torrents offering 1080p content are popular while torrents offering 720p content are non-existent because pirates are so concerned with a bit of extra resolution that it completely eclipses their desire for content. Also, you will note that content available on Netflix in 1080p is never leaked on piracy sites because Netflix's DRM works.
Oh wait. Everything I just said was totally false and rights holders are living in a fantasy land.
goedegeit ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 12:40:49 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have Netflix and I pirate their shows so I can watch them in UHD because they won't let me watch them through their service on Windows 8.
bjnono001 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:07:15 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Safari on MacOS can also get 1080p though.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:09:29 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here's the list of browsers/resolutions: https://help.netflix.com/en/node/23742
illuminatipr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:28:01 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll never be streaming in 4k regardless, given I live in Australia, but why the heck should I need a 7th gen Intel?
BlackMartian ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 06:56:00 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same reason I use it. And I always get Netflix (Not Responding) the first time I try to do anything then it reloads and works. Fucking awful software.
Percinho ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 07:26:12 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm glad it's not just me that gets that! Every. Single. Time.
Cebolla ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:43:23 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
is that what that is ? i have to watch netflix in the developer version of chrome ( chrome canary ) and it's annoying as sin. not to mention, chrome keeps crashing my entire computer recently. it's a nightmare.
JESUSgotNAIL3D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:09:14 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think they caused some issues in a recent patch... I keep auto-update on so it doesn't tell me when Chrome updates but I have experienced a bunch of performance issues over the past couple of months.
coscorrodrift ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:00:46 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same. I downloaded the Windows app because of it. Pain in the ass
CoastalEx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:09:41 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well TIL. Thank you stranger
dstaller ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:17:23 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sucks that this is the case but unfortunately IE, Edge, AND The Netflix app all cause a tiny micro stutter in games that I'm playing once every 5-10 seconds but Chrome doesn't. Forces me to use Chrome when I want to watch something on Netflix and play games at the same time. Couple Windows installs later and several clean driver installations and the problem still remains.
qx2anon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:29:57 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is news to me.. wow .. ok ..hey edge how are ya buddy!?
orbit222 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:37:40 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I may be missing something here but if you're using Edge you're using Windows, so why not watch in the Netflix app instead? That's what I do, I'll have the Netflix app playing on one monitor and Chrome open on the other.
SirBallalicious ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:12:20 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For some reason the netflix app and steam dont like to play nice on my PC, always have to turn it off before i play a game. So i just open up Edge and use it that way.
Syn7axError ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:05:47 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't even get Edge to work with Netflix. I have to use Firefox instead.
GuyWithLag ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 07:52:11 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting. I watch 4K video (Netflix) on Chrome without issues.
ExultantSandwich ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 06:11:06 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I use it because Google Chrome and Firefox just kill my battery life. This is on a Surface Pro.
iNEEDheplreddit ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 07:09:29 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't actually use it but it feels like Chrome and Firefox are getting progressively worse.
HowAboutShutUp ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 08:00:25 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's because they are. Both have grown fat and complacent, and in some cases outright unpleasant from an end-user perspective.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:23:36 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)*
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HowAboutShutUp ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:36:20 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe self-destructive is a better term? I just don't care for the increased attitude from FF and Chrome of the developers that seem to say they believe they know what's better for an end-user than the end-user does for themselves.
CanYouSaySacrifice ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 07:33:29 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Firefox is about to get a hell of a lot better.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 08:07:18 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's going to happen?
shibafku ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 08:13:12 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
firefox 57 is ridiculously fast
JackMike16 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 09:25:39 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
how so? googling it doesn't really bring up anything
mursuvaara ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 09:53:05 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ELI5/TLDR They're in the process of rewriting most of the important parts of the browser. Most notably, 57 comes with a new stylesheet processor which is very fast.
source
SoInsightful ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:24:42 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)*
Edit: After coming across this link, it seems like it's more than just a stylesheet parser, and that my comment below is probably off-base.
While that's good, processing stylesheets seems like the last thing to worry about when it comes to speed. If I load Facebook in Chrome, "Parse Stylesheet" accounts for 44.9 ms of the time, or 1.3% of the total time. So even if they made it twice as fast as the one Chrome has, it would be a mere 0.65% speed improvement in that test case.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:49:33 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What is the most time consuming? Excluding things that are affected by the speed of your connection.
SoInsightful ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:17:23 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
See for yourself. (Test site)
TL;DR: Scripting and rendering account for 94.7%.
heyf00L ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:17:38 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's about speeding up rendering, not parsing the stylesheet. Read the link.
SoInsightful ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:25:12 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean my link from my edit above?
heyf00L ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:18:36 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's nice, but if it's not multiprocess yet, I'm not interested. I'd rather use up RAM than have the CPU locked by a tab.
kre_x ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:18:55 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agree with this, tried the nightly and it is fast.
30thnight ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:02:55 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That new update is looking pretty insane
n00bsause ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:58:09 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like Firefox is just SO much slower than chrome and often times just freezes on me. I like it because of the privacy compared to chrome though. Hopefully they fix that issue.
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meet_the_turtle ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 09:16:45 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are significant performance improvements coming through at the moment, for instance it's got quicker to start when there are lots of tabs open, and IIRC bits are being swapped out with stuff from another project called Servo.
Roseveld ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:46:29 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You might want to check out Waterfox. Its a firefox overhaul for 64bit systems and much greater performances.
CirkuitBreaker ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:37:05 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Waterfox is obsolete now that Mozilla offers 64-bit builds of Firefox. The 64-bit Firefox builds kill Waterfox in performance.
WinterattheWindow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:39:54 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like sabotage by Uncle Bill if you ask me
bryan2047 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 08:37:25 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I always switch to Edge from chrome when I'm on my laptop, it increases the battery life by 3 to 5 hours if I'm just browsing web
And no I'm not exaggerating, the difference is so insane
brokedown ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:36:15 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I tried to do that on my Chromebook but it wouldn't let me change it and I'm stuck just getting 11 hours of battery life in a 250 dollar device.
bjnono001 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:12:48 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Congrats for getting such good battery life in a operating system that is optimized by Google, used only to browse the web and cannot install regular applications.
Chrome remains a huge battery suck on Windows and Mac OS though.
brokedown ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:17:47 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If by regular applications you mean Windows programs, sure.
Generally speaking, I can't (or don't even if Wine could do it) run Windows applications on my Linux boxes either.
But my Chromebook does run Android apps, so I don't think your claim is particularly valid.
Either way, the point is that Chrome doesn't have to have a cost of battery life.
bjnono001 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:30:42 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right, so a chromebook is more in line with an Android device.
It makes sense for Chrome to run well in an environment completely controlled by Google on a device that is marketed only for web browsing and web-based applications. It'd be like bragging how much better an Android tablet's Chrome web browsing battery life compared to a Windows PC's. They're two completely different OS environments.
There's no reason why Google can't improve Chrome to not be a battery suck on traditional x86 laptops, hence why it is compared to other browsers running on Windows/Mac OS.
brokedown ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:45:57 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's a bit of a stretch, but I see how you could get there. I mean, you've got Chrome Apps, you've got Android apps, you've got a real full size laptop with the full desktop Chrome experience.
Anyway, you're throwing a lot of brands around but ultimately I guess you're just saying that LInux gives you more performance for less power compared to Windows, and I wouldn't really dispute that, but I'm really just saying that Chrome doesn't have to have a cost of battery life. Maybe I'd add to that that Microsoft and Apple would do well to maybe participate in making one of the most popular applications that run on their platform run better, instead of going on about how their own branded products that are generally considered to be inferior are better on power.
kirfkin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:54:32 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
LTT, but: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0112lYQBPE
Probably depends on what you're doing
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 10:43:31 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would use Edge but I've used Chrome for so long and everything is set up exactly the way I want it. To change browsers now just feels like it wouldn't be worth it. I'm sure it's just fine, but I can't see it offering a significant benefit over my current Chrome setup.
mfg_colour ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:19:06 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
IE was like that as well but a meme came about because people were on IE6 while IE8 was out. If you notice a lot of people who talk badly about IE use Chrome so you know they don't know what they're talking about
jokullmusic ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 06:32:31 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eh it's still really behind with web standards.
aarghIforget ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:06:44 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also user interface standards.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:29:31 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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MatthewMob ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:17:40 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://caniuse.com - Edge is currently the worst of the four main browsers in terms of support.
Vitztlampaehecatl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:07:43 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, no. They dragged IE12 into an alley and beat it to death, then took its clothes and put them on a new codebase.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:08:23 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The only reason I call Edge bad is because it's proprietary. Chrome at least has Chromium and backs it, Firefox is under the GPL and MPL. While Edge just sits on Windows exclusively and is equivalent to a botnet for how locked down it is. Same can be said for Safari.
roxymoxi ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 06:47:58 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My managers only use Internet Explorer. There's no chrome or Firefox installed.
They are the true believers. Also the company I work for works at a snail's pace anyway so it fits.
POGtastic ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:34:56 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My company's intranet only works in IE. Chrome will display things, but random shit breaks all the time.
Hartastic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:52:15 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The corporate world is full of internal software built back when IE6 was the world's only browser* that still, mostly, works and nobody wants to pay to update.
*This isn't quite true, but it's close enough. Companies didn't want to buy Opera and Netscape shit the bed in that era even worse than IE ever did.
LazyOldPervert ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:26:12 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This was fucking cold. Svg.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:11:08 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Sunspear52 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:14:38 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone can't just be happy/grateful/make a joke on the internet eh? Username checks out.
glemnar ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 10:40:25 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And yet edge is the only browser that supports Netflix in 4k
damontoo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:33:48 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because of DRM, not because it's good. In fact, I'd call that a bad thing.
glemnar ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 14:48:16 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)*
Has DRM on internet-streamed video ever negatively affected you in any way? The anti-DRM crowd sure is vocal but in most cases it seems like irrelevant argument
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glemnar ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:12:06 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)*
That's sort of a separate issue - Firefox didn't support the standard. That's essentially the same as them not supporting e.g. the video format standard Netflix streams with. DRM on it's own does not make it inherently more difficult to watch streamed video.
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glemnar ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:24:11 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was because Firefox hadn't implemented encrypted media extensions, so Netflix would fail to work in the browser.
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glemnar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:04:02 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Totally agree with you that the cdm being closed source is batshit (I wasn't aware of that part of it). I just don't think DRM is inherently a bad thing is what I was trying to say.
Ran4 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:46:17 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
...yes, that's EXACTLY what damantoo is talking about? I'm not allowed to play 4k netflix video on my linux computer. And that sucks.
alt_generic_acct ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:20:12 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Make the Ctrl+Alt+Delete obsolete.
dumnezero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:33:24 on August 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
and ctrl + shift + esc
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:54:58 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What makes one browser better?
MatthewMob ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:19:29 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Available extensions, support for certain features, accessibility for different types of systems, load times, battery/resource usage etc. etc.
IE/Edge is still bad compared to Chrome.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:30:18 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, I guess I'm just basic and don't notice any of that.
UglyMuffins ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:26:41 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I use internet explorer for porn so I can easily search my history. Bing is pretty good at previewing videos too.
They should just focus on porn.
msx8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:46:42 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Make Internet Explorer Good Again
MIEGA
quickflint ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:12:22 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man I would be happy if they made windows explorer good. I have to reset it quite often because it forgets that borderless windowed games need to be on top of the task bar.
Lovehat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:01:42 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I used internet explorer until I got windows 10. I tried the other browsers, they were all slower and laggy. Then I got W10, and used whatever the IE on it was called for a couple of days but it was really shit so I swapped to chrome which I am still using.
AFuckYou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:26:42 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There use to be noticeable differences between explorer, chrome, and Firefox. Now they all suck equally.
ranknerok ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:55:14 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In all fairness, Microsoft Edge is the best browser to download Chrome.
hadhad69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:01:55 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice edit man, really played it cool.
Craptain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:41:49 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
IE4 crushed Netscape into bankruptcy and was the gold standard for a long time before Mozilla/Firefox showed up. Know your geek history, young people.
qlube ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:42:13 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only 90s kids will appreciate this, but IE was pretty damn good from about IE4 to IE6. Definitely way better than Netscape Navigator, which somehow became shittier and shittier despite the new competition.
Robobvious ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:16:35 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"In other news Bill Gates was badly burned earlier today and we have no word as of yet if he'll ever recover..."
IsABot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:25:42 on August 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As a web dev, Edge is leaps ahead of any previous versions of IE. Granted that's not hard to accomplish considering what a turd IE is in generally, especially pre-11. (11 was ok-ish) Chrome and Firefox are still better than Edge in almost every way, minus a few small use cases. But to be frank, if MS could nuke all computers of any version of IE other than Edge, it would make a huge difference in the world.
cataclysmicbro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:49:16 on August 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think you're confusing what Bill kills people.
beautify ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:35:12 on August 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You claim to hate internet explorer, but IE saved you from a much worse enemy. A darker, ancient plague. Long ago, when computers we're young, browsers didn't come with operating systems. They were a tool sold to you buy others. America Online, Netscape (free for consumers costly for business) were the kings. Then, one day the Sun rose, but it was a black Sun.
On the tides of its light came a new way of running things called Java. And then all of a sudden browsers became more than a portal to the internet. Soon a browser could do many things. Run applications, run games.
And then the masters of the dark Sun took a misstep. They announced the days of the operating system were numbered. And then bill and Steve and all the others realized they needed to own the browsers to control the world.
Also with out I.E. there would be no safari. With out safari no webkit. With out WebKit no chrome.
NoPlayTime ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:04:07 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i mean it's not perfect but it's getting better (or edge is), at least it's not firefox...
what happened to you firefox, you used to be cool.
damontoo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:34:56 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Google poached their lead developer to head up Chrome.
SenseiMadara ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:12:29 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People need to realise that IE IS good. Stop that fucking circlejerk for once.
damontoo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:36:22 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's based on a long history of MS not giving a fuck about web users. They deserve the stigma even if they've changed out of necessity/desperation.
GIRATINAGX ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 08:17:24 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
OH SHIT.
Nero, you got competition cause that burn is FIERCE
draftermath ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:15:46 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Internet Explorer is there to download Chrome. That's it.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:44:41 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i had a thin client i had to install print drivers on through IE, it was a fucking nightmare.
ReddJudicata ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:14:12 on August 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I actually like edge. I use its send to OneNote feature often. And I'm pretty disgusted with google and its sjw antics.
Xenomech ยท 79 points ยท Posted at 06:55:05 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Open-source Microsoft Windows?
Nic3GreenNachos ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 08:23:06 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The source code is out there, not the very latest. But gov agencies do have the latest to check for security. But using it is illegal.
RMCaird ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 09:36:32 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So not open source then?
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 10:04:03 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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AverageFedora ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 10:20:52 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True, but open source means that everyone has access to the source code, which means that anyone has access to the software, for free.
Vison5 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:22:32 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not what free software is.
It's free as in freedom, not free as in beer
pohFaep4 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 11:51:00 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
free as in, you can download the source code, compile it, and then proceed to use it however you want, within the constraints of the gpl or whatever license it uses. which, if it applied to beer, would include drinking it. if beer worked this way, i'd consider it free.
i mean, that's not what free software means, or necessarily the point, but it naturally follows from how it works.
Hewlett-PackHard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:13:01 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not what open source actually means though... there's plenty of things with publicly published source code that you could compile and use unlicensed, but the actual licensed version costs money. The point of open source software is security not free use.
scootstah ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:31:28 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The definition of open source: denoting software for which the original source code is made freely available and may be redistributed and modified.
Open source means it is free to download and use in whatever manner you choose. The licensing only applies to redistribution.
Note that just because you have source code doesn't mean the project is open source.
pohFaep4 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:41:42 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you mean to tell me that you couldn't take any open source project, download the source code, compile and use the software for pretty much any purpose, without breaking the gpl? because if not, the above interpretation still stands. the fact that this is not the main point of the license does nothing to change this.
Hewlett-PackHard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:03:37 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not everything with publicly published source code is licensed under GPL...
pohFaep4 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:09:58 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i've never claimed so, either. but publicly published source code doesn't mean something is open source. there might be exceptions, but as far as i know, the above criteria (is able to download, compile and use freely) applies to most of the free software licenses, like apache, bsd, and mit licenses.
Hewlett-PackHard ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:19:03 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is a really simple thing, all software, regardless of cost or license, fall into one of these two categories.
Open Source = Everyone can go read the source code.
Closed Source = Not everyone can go read the source code.
That's it.
Any attempt to redefine "open source" to be a synonym "free software" is some Linux user kumbaya nonsense.
pohFaep4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:32:00 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
there's no need to go nitpicking for the sake of disagreeing, my original comment said
which is what i'm arguing for. no more, and no less. i'm not trying to prove that open source == free software, that's just you being pedantic about my terminology even where the context makes it obvious that i'm talking about software published under a license that allows for freely downloading, compiling and running the source code.
it's ok to make the point that free software is not about it being free of charge. it's misleading to claim that it's not also free as beer, because as previously stated, if beer worked like free software, beer would be considered free. i doubt it'd stop anyone from arguing that it's not, though.
Hewlett-PackHard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:43 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, it'd be free as in you're free to get your own wheat, hops, etcs and compile it into beer.
pohFaep4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:07:05 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
so you know how brewing works, good. now learn metaphors.
scootstah ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:30:01 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are wrong. Open source has a specific definition, which I already quoted you above. Just because you can find source code does not make it "open source". Open source is a specific license on the work.
A pretty easy example is Javascript on the web. You can freely view Javascript source code on any website, but that doesn't mean it is open source code.
Hewlett-PackHard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:35:07 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wrong. "Open source" is not a specific license. The GPL is a specific license, the MIT License is a specific license, etc... but just because those are both open source and free to use does not mean that open source is a synonym for free to use.
Can I view the source? The it's open source. If I can't view the source then it's closed source.
Do I need to make a flow chart for you?
Hewlett-PackHard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:37:06 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wrong. "Open source" is not a specific license. The GPL is a specific license, the MIT License is a specific license, etc... but just because those are both open source and free to use does not mean that open source is a synonym for free to use.
Yes, yes it does.
Do I need to make a flow chart for you?
End of story.
scootstah ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:52:00 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)*
MIT and GPL are open source licenses. It is possible to own source code but not be licensed to use it.
No, no it doesn't. The very widely accepted industry definition for open source is having the freedom to freely use and modify the code however you want. Simply being able to view source code does not implicitly give you this right.
Hewlett-PackHard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:06:05 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not even all licenses that are commonly referred to as open source allow you to do whatever you want. That's the entire point of having a license. There was just a court case determining just that about GPL software, take a gander at Artifex Software v Hancom
scootstah ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:37:27 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think your confusion lies in the fact that you think open source means is the source available. That is not the case at all. Instead, the open part refers to the freedom of the license. Licenses that are considered to be "open source" are ones such as GPL, MIT, and BSD. Each of these licenses must still be honored and respected, but by doing so, you are given freedom over the source. Both free as in speech and free as in beer.
I don't really have a lot of time to scan a court case, but I'm assuming the defendant didn't adhere to the stipulations within the GPL license. Not respecting the license can of course have legal repercussions.
You can obtain source code from pretty much any program. Having a copy of the source does not mean it is "open source", and it doesn't give you implicit rights to use the source. This stuff isn't open to interpretation.
Hewlett-PackHard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:41:54 on August 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well at least you got that part right... still not sure how you fail to understand that
Is exactly what is has always meant until people started piling onboard the kumbaya free software bandwagon.
Open/Closed is and always has been a binary descriptor for whether or not source code for a piece of software is freely available for inspection not freely available for use. Hijacking the term does not change the original definition, open is viewable to everyone, closed is secret, end of story.
scootstah ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:00:16 on August 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're wrong, but I guess I'm not going to change your mind. Maybe do a little reading on the subject to educate yourself. Enjoy.
Fisting_is_caring ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:08:54 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Imma let you guys finish, but I just want to say that open source beer is a thing.
Lowsow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:57:00 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Free as in freedom, not as in beer is a slogan of the open source movement. It means getting the software for free, and paying people to maintain it. Being able to download, run, and modify open source software is part of the definition.
Hewlett-PackHard ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:51:11 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is a really simple thing, all software, regardless of cost or license, fall into one of these two categories.
Open Source = Everyone can go read the source code.
Closed Source = Not everyone can go read the source code.
That's it.
Any attempt to redefine "open source" to be a synonym "free software" is some Linux user kumbaya nonsense.
Lowsow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:10 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry, but that just isn't the way that "open source" is used. "Free" and "Open Source" have always been used semi-interchangeably. The "Open" part of open source doesn't mean that you can just review the source code, but you can modify, reproduce, or do what you want with the source code.
Open source is inherently an ambiguous term, because different organisations have different exact ideological criteria for how to define open source, but the general meaning goes a lot further than merely allowing the source code to be inspected.
I know of many licences described as open source, but none called open source where the only difference with closed source is publishing the source code. Who would use such a license anyway? It would tremendously incentivise secret copying and unauthorised modification.
Hewlett-PackHard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:55:04 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uh... there's plenty of open source and free software that has prohibitions on doing certain things with the code. Specifically some prohibit distributing unauthorized modifications of the code, so making your own fork based on it would be a copyright violation.
majorgnuisance ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:41:51 on August 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not about everyone having access to the software, for free or otherwise.
It's about the rights granted to the people who get the software.
I could write a program, sell you a license under the GNU GPL and if neither of us ever gave anyone else a copy it'd still have been a 100% FLOSS ordeal.
Now, when you go distributing your software en masse under a FLOSS license, it's likely that some of your users are going to redistribute it to the general public, even if you won't.
Especially if you won't.
AverageFedora ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:01:19 on August 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Indeed, but I never mentioned the gpl; your example is of closed source free software. Free (not as in beer) software and open source aren't equivalent, but freedom immediately follows from being open source. Other than that you're of course correct, free software isn't necessarily free :P
majorgnuisance ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:48:22 on August 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, it's still Open Source.
The difference between Open Source and Free Software is mostly philosophical.
In practical terms, the two are mostly interchangeable.
(That's not to say that the difference is not important. The philosophical foundations matter.)
I mentioned the GNU GPL to give a concrete example with a well known FLOSS license.
Feel free to replace it with your favorite OSI-approved license.
The principles of both Free Software and Open Source don't require making software available to the whole world, for free or otherwise.
Steev182 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 10:33:28 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Open source and stolen code are two different things too.
Vison5 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:23:16 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Free software doesn't mean it doesn't cost money or that it's pirated.
Free in this context means freedom, not free like beer.
graebot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:58:08 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)*
Completely free open source software, which just happens to be illegal...
Edit: Oops... Forgot the /s...
seekret ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:34:16 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not what open source means.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:26 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As much as I would love it to be open source, you cannot make it 100% open source. It would make it way too vulnerable. Now you can say that you could make everything open source except the vital codes for the pupose of protection, but then there would always be the question how much we really know about the near open source product, which means a not 100% open source product is a 0% open source product.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:03:29 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Would not be surprised if they do it.
iBoMbY ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:40:21 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I bet the next major Windows version is going to be based on Linux, only using a desktop from Microsoft.
this_is_not_nil ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 08:22:43 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Make Bing a good search engine.
[deleted] ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 08:49:36 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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alt_generic_acct ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 10:20:49 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man even for porn it is shit
ScriptThat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:19:27 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some people like shit porn..
pekinggeese ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:02:58 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No I don't! I swear! Who told you this??
Posid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:43:24 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but so is google so there is that. Not exactly a better alternative because duckduckgo isn't exactly amazing at it either.
DaveDashFTW ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 09:14:00 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bing is decent these days - even for non-US users. I use Google and Bing about 50/50.
flyingsaucerinvasion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:02:25 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
with google becoming less and less functional and returning more irrelevant results as time goes by, it was a lot better about 7 years ago, i'm starting to use bing a lot more often.
shotgunlewis ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 11:27:53 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People seem to have a degree of reverence for Bill due to PR and his foundation but he was as cutthroat a businessman as Steve Jobs.
Much his foundation's activity actually makes him money in the long run (ex donating PCs to schools to build early brand loyalty)
funciton ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:54:26 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes: AoE4 for Mac and Linux
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:25:51 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Macs are shit Linux I understand.
g0dfather93 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:53:10 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Make the "time left for copying/moving" dialog box accurate...
tronald_dump ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:56:43 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
not illegally run his business like a monopoly?
phuphu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:16:18 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Waiting for 4d pinball space captain.
FvHound ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:27:43 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bill can't bring us Half-Life 3.
Hullian111 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:55:25 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Backwards-compatible Midtown Madness 3?
dmcd0415 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:02:07 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Make net neutrality permanent.
CMDR_welder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:27:35 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
VR for Xbox
PGR 3 backwards compatible
HCrikki ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:33:40 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bill draws the line at using a Windows Phone.
reddog323 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:57:03 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Get Leonard Nimoy to narrate it. :(
shotgunlewis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:30:44 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)*
People seem to have a degree of reverence for Bill due to PR and his foundation but he was as cutthroat a businessman as Steve Jobs or Mark Zuckerberg.
Much of his foundation's activity actually makes him money in the long run (like donating PCs to schools to build early brand loyalty).
He stepped on a ton of people to get to the top, and now that he's there he's rewriting his legacy
IchBinDragonSurfer ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:19:53 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure my incessant crippling black hole of depression which smothers me like a granite blanket.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:26:03 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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MessiLovesCR7 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:50:29 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Compete with Steve Jobs hence why he quit...
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:07:31 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know. Bills doing better than Steve
Bills alive
MessiLovesCR7 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:02:04 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yet even then he still cant compete against Apple ๏ฃฟ
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:17:16 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you joking?
PepsicoAscending ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 07:27:23 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Improve public education, based on all available evidence from the Gates Foundation.
DrSeanald ยท 2098 points ยท Posted at 06:18:25 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Haha beat that, Steve Jobs
iNEEDheplreddit ยท 1284 points ยท Posted at 07:12:53 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just emailed him that. Lets see if he reaponds
evilkim ยท 362 points ยท Posted at 07:41:42 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if he did?
Canoodle_My_Noodle ยท 616 points ยท Posted at 07:46:02 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would be very professional of him. I also hear hes pretty exclusive, like nobody can talk to him.
BCProgramming ยท 308 points ยท Posted at 07:57:44 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I talked to him just the other day. He didn't say much, but I definitely heard coffin.
Dan007121 ยท 127 points ยท Posted at 09:31:24 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's under a lot of pressure. About 17,640 Pa.
windyfish ยท 90 points ยท Posted at 10:00:12 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The kids love him cause he's so underground.
alt_generic_acct ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 10:21:41 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone as busy as him must be dead tired, though.
[deleted] ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 12:51:35 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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crypticfreak ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 13:14:26 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The work starts to pile on until you feel like your about 6 feet under.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:50:08 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hear he took a break from work 4 years ago
crypticfreak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:36:03 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm surprised you've remembered that for the past four years.
Nickamin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:18:05 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because he's dead right?
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 11:24:32 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bet he wishes he could just rest in peace.
nomansapenguin ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 11:04:18 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Been trying to get on his level, but he's just so deep
ender1108 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:38:35 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He must appreciate the break from when he was head of Apple.
RandallOfLegend ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:03:26 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Considering atmospheric pressure is 101 kPa he must be feeling pretty light. Unless you're using gage pressure.
Dan007121 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:29:47 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pressure of 6 feet of dirt on top of you.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 08:44:56 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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BCProgramming ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 08:56:48 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As far as I know I just made it up. Though now that you mention it it sure seems like something that would have been used before. Maybe I heard it or read it somewhere and forgot.
ioccasionallysayha ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:58:41 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone, somewhere had to of made it up..
windyfish ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 10:01:50 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's could have or should have never could of or should of.
I am a bot. If you don't like this post you can just piss off.
RyeDraLisk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:12:57 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You may be thinking about the joke about caskets where a casket is chasing a man, then he throws a jar of cough syrup at it and the coffin stopped.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:42:32 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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EarthRester ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 08:02:25 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have you tried a medium?
Natanael_L ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:44:18 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That blog site doesn't sound like a place Jobs would go. He likes things exclusive.
Yes-I-am-a-Bot ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 08:09:58 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then we got some Serial Experiments Lain shit goin' on.
FreddieG10 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:31:22 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think anyone would believe him, so he'd be shitting his pants all alone
swanks12 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 07:51:14 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if he ded?
Ya mean
(How do ya quote?)
slyn4ice ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:46:05 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, he never aponded in the first place, so...
WinterattheWindow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:40:32 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope it had the correct grammar, otherwise we might have corpse assault on our hands
curly722 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:48:35 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your typo made me read it as "see if he respawns"... Savage
iNEEDheplreddit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:09 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aww...shit..that would have been way better
MagicalTrevor70 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:30:15 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I used to work for a partner company of Apple, supporting their phone systems, and one day my co-worker got an email forwarded from Steve Jobs to one of his execs.
My co-worker then sent it to everyone in the department to get the attention required, but not before amending Steve Job's signature to say 'Sent from my Blackberry'.
jdepps113 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:00:41 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's funny because he's dead!
JNeal8 ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 07:24:15 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uhh guys, should we tell him?
ObnoxiousLittleCunt ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 07:42:58 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who, Steve? He's gonna the email
Cmac0801 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:26:26 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Little off topic but Steve Jobs was actually well known for responding to the emails of customers.
Tim Cook also does this from time to time, every month or so thereโs a story of someone getting a response from Tim Cook over at /r/apple
Dwighty1 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:55:25 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He really was a visionary with the icloud.com address.
Hurr durr
Chewcocca ยท 73 points ยท Posted at 07:23:27 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
More like Steve Unemployeds
ha
PM_Me_Yer_Guitar ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:25:06 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think he's beating anything. He lost the last fight he was in I believe.
dblmjr_loser ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:26 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
More like laid down and gave up what would have been an easy win.
mmavcanuck ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:46:01 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Careful, we might end up with a new nanosaur from beyond the grave.
Wolverfuckingrine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:16:37 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I asked him to remove the headphone jack from the iPhone as a joke. He delivered.
lewdusername ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:55:14 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Steve Jobs brought a new event to ffxi this month
Butthole__Pleasures ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 09:13:08 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
...said the pancreatic cancer
limefog ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 09:19:56 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And Steve was like "I could, but I'd rather die instead"
NotsoGreatsword ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 07:40:43 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
haha i heard he wasn't even in charge at apple anymore. what a loser. Heard he was on sick leave eating fruit, what a wuss. God I love my Iphone 7. It's definitely not a complete disappointment compared to what apple used to be.
[deleted] ยท 883 points ยท Posted at 05:59:33 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bill Gates, can you look into making another Crimson Skies game?
speelmydrink ยท 489 points ยท Posted at 06:26:33 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a rare day when I hear about the best damn dogfighting game ever in the wild. I so very sorely want a new Crimson Skies, with %20 more Nazi plots and at least a bajillion more zeppelins.
AntimonyPidgey ยท 96 points ยท Posted at 07:22:24 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When you hit the ground, tell 'em Nathan Zachary sent ya!
Butthole__Pleasures ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 09:15:34 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I forgot about this game entirely until just now. Goddamn, that was a good game. Why aren't there more good dogfighting games? I've never known a gamer that didn't enjoy a well-made one.
Kuwait_Drive_Yards ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 12:30:16 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's a new Ace Combat coming out, and you could always go hardcore and play DCS...
TomasgGS ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:56:35 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cough warthunder cough...
Damn... sorry, anyone have a mint or cough syrup?
Dewmeister14 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:41:41 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They said good dogfighting games.
TomasgGS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:42:04 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eh... single player campaign is ok. And realistic is pretty good too. Arcade is a cesspool of shit...
Jew_Juan_Howard ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:37:24 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snoopy Flying Ace was dope when the community was alive.
swiftb3 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:20:59 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of them started leaning too far into Flight Sim style for me. I want to dogfight, not spend all my effort trying to fly the plane like it's real.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:33 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ace Combat was always good to me
FixBayonetsLads ยท 91 points ยท Posted at 06:48:21 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Die Spinne rustled my jimmies every time.
schadavi ยท 66 points ยท Posted at 10:44:38 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am a native German. Can't watch any old war movies. Best case szenario, the english script was translated 1:1 into German and then read out loud by an english actor who had never heard a word of spoken German in his life before.
"Us making them queen proudness if halting the Germany improvement" would be a British equivalent.
CaptainRoach ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 11:26:46 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I learned all my German from Commando Comics, unfortunately it's rare enough in the modern world to get much use out of ACHTUNG! HIMMEL, SPITFEURS! and DONNER UND BLITZEN! but I do try to insinuate it into normal conversation to show how cosmopolitan I am.
Mustaflex ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 12:16:43 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am wondering how will it go including phrases as "Alle jude auf die strasse" and "Arbeit mach frei", please let us know!
DdCno1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:04 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are foreign tourists who try this sort of thing in Germany. Last time that happened, the tourist got beaten up and then arrested.
utspg1980 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:30:03 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I took German in high school, but the only opportunity I've ever had to use it (outside of when I went on vacation to Germany) was in New Zealand.
I was staying at a small hostel and a girl that worked there ran a different game night every night. This night was poker: Texas hold 'em. It was totally casual, the winner of the game gets 1 beer, that's it.
The girl running it had people put in small blind, then big blind, but was letting everyone after that bet the small blind as minimum bet. It should be big blind, which I noticed, but didn't say anything cuz who cares.
But sure enough the only German guy at the table speaks up and points out that we aren't following the rules correctly.
I said "Yeah, Germans are strict on the rules..." then slammed my fist on the table and sternly pointed at the game hostess and said "DAS IST VERBOTEN!"
That's it. Three years of high school German for that.
tallquasi ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:24:21 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Die Hard must be torture as well.
jaredjeya ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:31:51 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've also seen movies where they don't even bother and everyone speaks English in a British accent
Alpha_Bit_Poop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:59:45 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Haha, like in Lala Land when one white guy is supposed to be talking Chinese. Chinese people say foreigners never say the tones, I never knew what they ment until I heard that guy try and speak Chinese for the first time!
ambiturnal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:40:42 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's ironic, because I learned all of my German from old war movies. For example, "Guttentag, ciggaretten?" means "I am not an American spy."
kingharbubbles ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:23:45 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How did they pronounce it? Afaik, it's pronounced "die Shpinne"
FixBayonetsLads ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:09:27 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They pronounced it die, as in "to die." But spider would be prefaced with a "dee", which is the feminine.
kingharbubbles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:49:54 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Now my jimmies are officially rustled
Fileobrother ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 10:13:10 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Concentrate your fire on that enemy zep!"
reelect_rob4d ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 07:21:45 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TIE FIGHTER is better. Never played the multiplayer in vs though.
elevendayempire ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 10:51:28 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
God, imagine if we could get EA to phone up Lawrence Holland and make a new X-Wing/TIE Fighter game. Updated with Battlefront-style graphics, Star Citizen's level of detailed physics modelling and VR support, with a proper branching storyline where you could join the Empire or the Rebels or-
And I'm spent.
ZincMan ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 12:18:32 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love you guys for bringing up Xwing. That game was so amazing, hadn't had an equally good dogfighting game since
F4nboy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:28:29 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First game (XvT) I ever joined a Clan for! TFA baby!
ZincMan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:51:30 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That was online ? Wasn't the game pre internet? I only played xwing, was it comparable ?
F4nboy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:26:02 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was incredible.
Yeah it was online. I have no idea how old I was though but I'd guess it would have to be around the 2000 or '99. The clan was one of the founding clubs of darkjedi.org and I think that the game was one of the first they supported.
ZincMan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:30:02 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit that's amazing. Had no idea there was an online game there. Can't believe I missed out on that Had my old joystick on Xwing and it was so good
F4nboy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:21:05 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think people still play it via battle.net After they shut down the pub servers a few popped up from memory.
I remember having some 12 button Logitech joystick with a throttle control on the side.
julomat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:25:04 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
freespace was even better in my opinion.
Kokosnussi ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:57:22 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought you meant actual dog fights I bet that would be a fun game and the media outrage would be free advertising
Soggywheatie ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 08:26:20 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Whoa. Settle down Michael Vick.
ExPwN ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:12:56 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I could totally see a green light game called 'Actual Dog Fight Simulator 2018' where you are a dog in first person...
invazion ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 11:14:56 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Theres no way... is this... is this that game i used to play as a child? Repressed in my subconscious? Holy shit this was a dope game, if im remembering right
Amusei015 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:13:28 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One of my favorite games of all time, spent hundreds of hours with it.
psilontech ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:40:07 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think you spelled Freespace 2 wrong.
Haha jk, Crimson Skies is fun af!
Blackbeard2016 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:39:37 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh shit! Taking me back a decade or 2
Wonder if Freespace will work on windows 10....
Tatayou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:22:33 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But propeller arena was(eould have been?) better for multiplayer
speelmydrink ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:12:19 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I ain't in it for the multi-player. I'm in it for Indiana Jones in a rotor plane.
EvanHarpell ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:22:18 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This. Trick maneuvers and shooting Nazi's.
1doctor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:51:36 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh god, this! I've asked no telling how many folks if they've played Crimson Skies and only one person so far has even heard of it.
It was the GOAT dogfighting game.
Hxcfrog090 ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 06:20:59 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We're getting backwards compatibility....so at least that's something.
ArtofAngels ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:33:28 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What do you mean? Is it coming out on something? I loved this game and it's one of the only PC games I ever played along with FreeSpace 2.
Offnickel ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 10:48:59 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're making it backwards compatible so you can download and play it on an Xbox One.
dr3wzy10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:33:28 on August 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if you have a disc?
[deleted] ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 07:31:42 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)*
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nerell ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 08:34:57 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit Blood Wake. First time I have thought about that game in... 15 years.
wesley-vpci ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:42:30 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just booted up my Xbox to try it for the first time in a decade, and my disc was damaged.
illyume ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:26:33 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno... I'd kind of rather another proper Mech Warrior game.
Battletech sounds like it might be neat though.
A_Meat_Popsicle ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 12:06:34 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
MechWarrior 5 is in development.
http://www.mw5mercs.com/
EvanHarpell ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:23:20 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You sir, have just rustled my jimmies.
FappingAsYouReadThis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:45:38 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck yeah! Let me wipe the dust off my old Logitech Extreme 3D Pro!
ApolloHemisphere ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:41:24 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
While it's not quite the same, Titanfall 2 definitely scratches my giant robot combat itch.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:58:53 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same here. I enjoy it but it's just...missing the same appeal I had with Mech Assault. There have been quite a few mech games to come since MA2, but none seem to be the same.
Demonweed ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 07:31:39 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So much this -- for pretty much any happy video game memory, I can find a modern game that either really nails that classic experience or updates it reasonably well. I've got a very serious flight combat sim and a very serious space combat sim and plenty of light missions-with-progression space combat games, but non-sim PC air combat is a void for me. I remember Red Baron and Crimson Skies when I think of what I want here, and I don't know a 2017 equivalent.
Dongers-and-dongers ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 09:36:42 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
War thunder?
Demonweed ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 11:01:11 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I should give that a try sometime. I thought it was MMO, but I dig Mechwarrior and Rocket League, so multiplayer only isn't a dealbreaker.
electronicalengineer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:13:05 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is some vs ai components to it if you don't like pvp
ArtofAngels ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:36:10 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have you played FreeSpace 2? It's an old classic and right up there as one of the best flight/space sim ever made.
julomat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:26:57 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I loved the first one as a child! didnt even know they made a second one.
Demonweed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:54:03 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Does that run well on Windows 10? I remember it and it would be a nice addition to the space fighter collection.
ArtofAngels ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:01:16 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It should work fine. In fact I might buy it myself.
https://www.gog.com/game/freespace_2
Gopherlad ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:59:37 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)*
Make sure you check out the Source Code Project for the mod support, or at the very least for the graphical enhancements.
The Blue Planet mod in particular is one of my favorite sets of space/flight sim campaigns ever. Here's a cinematic.
CrispyHaze ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:43:31 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)*
I'm finding the same thing with Interstate 82 mod for Battlefield 1942. So far in 15 years nothing has come in to fill that niche void. I think a Rocket League mode similar to IS82 with the stunt tracks could be wildly popular.
For those who aren't familiar, this is what it looked like. A very difficult course often with a raised track and loops, it could take up to 30 minutes to complete the track and if you fall off you often have to start over from the beginning. Other players could also knock you off the track etc. You had a rocket booster to propel you up, and a booster to propel you forward. You would have to make very delicate maneuvers to get past certain sections. It was soooo satisfying completing the harder courses.
Demonweed ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:20:00 on August 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I have happy memories of those too. Gas Guzzlers Extreme is totally serviceable combat racing, but it isn't nearly as close to the Car Wars tabletop game as Interstates '76 & '82. Also though, as a Playstation original, I have really fond memories of the Vigilante 8 series, which may have had some overlapping talent behind the scenes.
Posid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:46:44 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You have games like Ace Combat, but the games are honestly too arcady for me. Feels silly that you can do half the things you can do in that game.
War Thunder is in the same boat, unless you fly realistic missions the game is extremely arcady. I did have some fun in the realistic matches though piloting with a joystick.
legop4o ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 10:26:17 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And a sequel to Freelancer. And MechWarrior. And MechCommander, for that matter...
I'm sad now
hyperblaster ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 11:08:54 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would pay good kickstarter money for a Freelancer reboot. Oh wait...
EvanHarpell ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:24:54 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd be down for all those he listed.
Mech Assault, Mech Warrior, Mech Commander....
I need a good reason to dusk off the old Saitek.
ThisCatMightCheerYou ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:26:24 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here's a picture/gif of a cat, hopefully it'll cheer you up :).
I am a bot. use !unsubscribetosadcat for me to ignore you.
jeslick14 ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 06:16:13 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)*
Every fiber of my being says:
halogrand ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:23:31 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This picture was rumored to be the Leaked 1st party lineup for MS for the next couple years:
https://i.redd.it/22azuutx9nhz.jpg
No idea on the validity, but Crimson Skies is on it.
LG03 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:29:27 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Think it was Harebrained recently talking about having interest in the license.
EvanHarpell ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:27:26 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They did a good job with the ShadowRun games.
453gCrisco ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:11:14 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just took a look at this Crimson Skies video and what I see, looks pretty much like Warthunder on lowest details. If it's the dogfighting-part you miss, you should give it a try.
TomasgGS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:59:25 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would love a "Red Baron" remake. Rise of flight is waaaaay to complicated.
HCrikki ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:47:27 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fable games, Microsoft Train Simulator, Definitive editions with steamworks integration. Go!
Relaxing 'simulators' are a goldmine, MS would be foolish not to also target this audience of gamers.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:50:58 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bill Gates can you look into a Paying Mexter-Dorgan's School Loans game?
NYIsles55 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:06:42 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One of my all time favorites. Still play it.
crashbomber ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:24:50 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FUCK YES that game was fun as HELL.
mrsuns10 ยท 555 points ยท Posted at 05:40:47 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can Bill pay my student loans
TheSuperWig ยท 791 points ยท Posted at 07:16:42 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes he can. He's not going to though.
seriousgi ยท 119 points ยท Posted at 08:18:27 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bill Gates can you be my sugar daddy?
_mach ยท 157 points ยท Posted at 09:15:11 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just got a note from Bill. He's considered it, and he'll do it.
[edit: That's Bill Clinton, though, dunno if that matters?]
TheGoodBunny ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:54:45 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Still better than Bill Cosby!
zach0011 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 10:00:00 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bill Clinton is more attractive and also has a boatload of cash hahaha
throwaway3762yd ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 11:39:53 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bill Clinton looks like a husk in 2017 I would say bill gates is more attractive in 2017
OpinesOnThings ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 11:48:01 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
More rapey and hangs at the private resorts of paedophiles though.
I'm fine being a butt boy for money but you have to have some standards.
Jalidric ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 08:28:41 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes he can. He's not going to though.
KKlear ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 09:58:43 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can Bill Gates do the thing that he's going to do?
Mr_Eggs ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 10:20:51 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes he can. He's not going to though
JMoormann ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 10:40:04 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
By definition he is going to do the thing that he's going to do
MyAnusBleedsForYou ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:45:10 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes he can. He's not going to though
he_adds_nothing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:33:46 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can he kick it?
Brewster-Rooster ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:03:46 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You don't know how much his student loans are.
TheSuperWig ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:14:47 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure it's less than 1mil. Though to play it super safe, guaranteed less than 1bil which should be no problem for Mr. Gates.
HooptyDooDooMeister ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 06:02:07 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I forwarded an email from him that I got from my grandma. Paycheck should be coming any day.
PEDRO_de_PACAS_ ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 08:16:07 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can you pay my telephone Bills
PEDRO_de_PACAS_ ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 08:16:40 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can you pay my Automo Bills
ThrowawayusGenerica ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:15:14 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can I play the piano anymore?
Muramasan ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 06:24:44 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can Bill give me about tree fiddy?
Slazman999 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:35:36 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Damn you Loch Ness monster!
Logic_77 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:49:03 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I need Bill to pay for my school and my loans.
TheGift_RGB ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:00:57 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can Bill buy me a Windows key?
Pwnk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:04:18 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you're an underprivileged minority with high academic standing, yes. He and his wife have a HUGE scholarship program for that.
saarlac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:18:49 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He could pay everyoneโs student loans and not even notice.
paracelsus23 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 09:24:15 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Um, no.
Student loans in the USA total over $1.3 TRILLION
https://www.forbes.com/sites/zackfriedman/2017/02/21/student-loan-debt-statistics-2017/
Bill Gates is extremely rich, but his $84.9 billion net worth would only cover about 6% of all student loans.
Maskirovka ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:52:29 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How about he just pays for Reddit users' loans?
PandaLover42 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:26:13 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea he could help eradicate malaria...but why do that when he could just give billions of dollars to the middle class?
Maskirovka ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:27:36 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's already working on malaria though. There's money left. Also it'll totally trickle down to places with malaria.
saarlac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:31 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How much was it before interest?
Pool_Shark ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:33:59 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When is our country going to do something about this?
hyperblaster ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:11:40 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wonder if the Gates Foundation could look at fixing the rising cost of college education.
tootsie_rolex ยท 1204 points ยท Posted at 05:29:05 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gates always pay their debts.
HooptyDooDooMeister ยท 303 points ยท Posted at 06:01:11 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just looked up the Lannisters' actual house motto: "Hear me roar!"
I wish I were making that up.
DarthSatoris ยท 569 points ยท Posted at 06:20:48 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"A Lannister always pays his debts" is just a saying.
loudtess ยท 358 points ยท Posted at 06:22:34 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup, later on in Season 1 or possibly 2, Bran is going over the house mottos with the Maester and he tries to say "The Lannister's always pay their debts", and the Maester says that is wrong.
DarthSatoris ยท 486 points ยท Posted at 06:41:09 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love Maester Luwin's response to Theon after his interjection when they go over House Greyjoy.
Maester Luwin: "Bran?"
Bran: "The Iron Islands, Sigil, a kraken, words 'we do not sow'."
Luwin: "Lords?"
Bran: "The Greyjoys"
Theon: "Famed for their skills at archery, navigation, and lovemaking, hehehe."
Luwin: "... And failed rebellions."
USS_Slowpoke ยท 113 points ยท Posted at 10:22:20 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And that's how Theon become Reek.
cutlass_supreme ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 19:54:33 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just realizing that. Ramsay used mis-navigation to fool him on the escape, used archery to rescue him, and used lovemaking to set him up for castration. Then when the sister tried to save him, reek had no rebellion left in him.
TheMeridianVase ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:00:03 on August 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If that was intentional and not a coincidence then I'm giving up on trying to understand GRRM and becoming a successful writer. How he could weave all of these small ironies, foreshadowing, and easter eggs into his writing that a large majority of the readers/viewers completely miss is just beyond me. How do you write something where everything is connected and there are no coincidences but still have the story be meaningful, interesting, and (most amazing of all) unpredictable? Fucking magic. Black magic.
DylanMarshall ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 10:26:43 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)*
Aka the bitchiest bitch to ever bitch on tv.
bcrabill ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 11:53:32 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure if I was tortured like that for so long, it'd completely change me too.
scubalee ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 12:23:53 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True, but he was a snivelling little bitch before the torture.
AdvocateF0rTheDevil ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:01:04 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then when he tried to be more the result was just sad and tragic.
One could say evil.
ciberaj ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:05:02 on August 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think he redeemed himself after all. I find myself rooting for him whenever he's on screen.
AccessTheMainframe ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 11:12:34 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Iron Islands will rise again.
DarthSatoris ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 11:33:16 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What is dead may never die!
BBQ_HaX0r ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:53:04 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They always do... only to inevitably be put back down. Shame, maybe if Theon didn't betray Robb he could have taken over the Iron Islands and helped modernize and change their culture and help them finally assimilate into Westerosi culture.
AccessTheMainframe ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:59:03 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wrote a fanfiction back in 2013 called the Drowned Lion where Theon stays loyal to Robb and ends up at the helm of the loyalist faction of Iron Islanders when a civil war breaks out.
I never finished it though.
[deleted] ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 07:03:07 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's like episode 5 or 6 of season 1.
Source: watched it 2 days ago and I'm only on episode 8 now.
Robbo112 ยท 113 points ยท Posted at 07:52:32 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)*
Delete this. You'll probably get people dming you spoilers.
Edit: looks like someone might have spoiled some bits so watch out.
IByrdl ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:52:32 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let's hope he was doing a rewatch. But who starts a rewatch in the middle of a seasonal airing?
KriistofferJohansson ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 12:32:20 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why not?
IByrdl ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:12:23 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gotta keep the story in line in your head. I'm starting my rewatch Sunday night after the finale though.
KriistofferJohansson ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:17:17 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, isn't that just a personal thing? I'm rather certain I'd be able to do it in the middle of the ongoing season and still not be confused. Just as I'm sure there are people who probably prefer not to.
camycamera ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:30:40 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I rewatched the whole show to season 5 while also watching season 6.
I also just now finished listening to the first book while watching season 7 as well.
greenbabyshit ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:37:42 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yo, edit your comment to warn about the spoilers below you. I can't get a comment above it now. u/negativfeedback just dropped a lot of the finale.
If anyone else is reading this and hasn't seen it, turn back now.
[deleted] ยท -17 points ยท Posted at 12:11:55 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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greenbabyshit ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:34:39 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude. Enjoy knowing it yourself. Don't be a dick.
Waifustealer123 ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 09:31:15 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
dude delete this comment and avoid any GOT related discussions. Please man I did the same and was spoiled.
Homeschooled316 ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 09:52:36 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The show is pretty tame with almost no one dying and nothing happening, but it gets good if you wait until you meet everyone's favorite character, Olly.
labatomi ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 10:08:23 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)*
Oh man. He's awesome. Even has his own subreddit so you know his the shit!
EDIT: autocorrected subreddit.
Elk-Tamer ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 11:39:00 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No sex scenes or nudity, too.
Edit: oh, and yes, Olly was great!
Pendaelose ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:53:55 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just finished binge watching to catch up on the show. It took me a few years to get over not enjoying the first few episodes, but the show does pick up nicely.
One season, I think 5(?), was really not my thing. I was getting really bored again and found a lot of it very forced, but the last season did a good job of making up for it.
aarghIforget ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 07:10:46 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)*
It... it gets better. Trust me. It gets much better than Season 1. Basically across the board.
Season 1 is dense and confusing and boring, but necessary. It's so, so worth it, once they finish building up the world and all the people in it that they're gonna deliciously, savagely ruin.
Edit: Jeez, apparently a lot of people prefer 'intrigue' over dragons and vengeance... Go figure. <_<
Iamonreddit ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 07:26:10 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Personally i do not think you could be more wrong. Season 1 is great!
new_username____ ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 08:28:04 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He could. He could say that Hitler did nothing wrong, or that a tomato is a suspension bridge.
serfrin47 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:45:14 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
These are equally wrong with how wrong they were.
Zomise ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 07:26:39 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Season 1 is good. The current season is the crappy one.
RedMikeYawn ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 08:24:48 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The current season is the payoff
Everyone is rich, tired, and wants to go home
Idonotlikemushrooms ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 09:26:09 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its like the end of a rpg game where you stop caring about every npc and jusy fast travel everywhere to finish the story.
ciberaj ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:18:22 on August 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's pretty much the summary of last episode.
appears on the wall
suddenly encounters a whole army of white walkers
Gendry appears on the wall
Daenerys instantly receives a raven
Suddenly appears beyond the wall where the party is, nevermind having to look for them, just fly straight
They all get the fuck out and suddenly appear on the wall
Jon suddenly appears
They all appear on a boat
End
Things that used to take a whole season now just happen in a single episode. I like it because we don't have to watch infinite boring arcs waiting for a reward but the take away is that it seems told by a 5 year old.
Florac ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:47:37 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not a payoff worth waiting for though.
FingerTheCat ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:30:34 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's like they hired writers from the WB to write the dialogue.
Cebolla ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:46:05 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)*
the weird decision to try and inject corny humor and the 10 minute long montage of the bed pans in the first or second episode....was pretty brutal...
edit;; since this getting comments. i don't think the season is bad by any standard, i think the writing has taking a bad hit and so has the direction. i'm going to keep watching it of course, but there are just nuances in the episodes very lacking that were done so masterfully before.
DrBlueDot ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:45:56 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They really show off their amazing writing skills with all the throw away one liners that really bring me into what the characters are feeling.
effyochicken ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:58:23 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck guys I'm on season 4 binge watching and this makes me sad for the future
unfairspy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:00:44 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But it's still fuckin good, believe that
bluesmaker ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:05:56 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is still good. Don't let the hate get you down.
AJV453 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:17:21 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Personally, season 4 is my favorite overall with season 6 having two of my favorite episodes.
I think people are nostalgic of the slow, clever politics which has taken a backseat to more action. You can hardly fault the show for that though, we are at the climax after all. If the entire show was witty quips from Tyiron and Jon arguing with his superiors then it would get boring fast.
_ChestHair_ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:21:27 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No it's the plot armor, unrealistic travel times, and stupid plans that people hate about the new season
ciberaj ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:09:38 on August 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love everything that's happening on paper. If someone was telling me the plot of the season so far I would be fucking amazed, it's the execution that sucks. Daenerys has been pretty cringeworthy since the start of the season, they're trying to make her look badass and all grown up but the fact is that Emilia is a horrible actress and it's just really sad they can't get someone else to play Daenerys this far in the series.
-Teki ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:33:19 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In my opinion, season 1 is the best, with season 2 as a very close second, and then it just slowly declines until i found myself a bit disinterested last season. It doesn't help that they keep killing the interesting characters either.
Haven't watched the new season yet, though.
aarghIforget ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:07:03 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which ones were the interesting characters? I think pretty much all my favourites have survived, so far... with one notable exception that I will avoid spoiling, but whose last words we all quoted repeatedly after it happened. >_>
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 12:00:41 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's probably referring to the High Sparrow, Olenna, Margaery, and Littlefinger who dies in the next ep.
Bierdopje ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:07:21 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why the fuck did I read this thread? Could have known it would contain spoilers.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:08:59 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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glider97 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:31:06 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder what makes you spew spoilers that you know nobody wants to listen to. I wonder if it is because you're lonely, or you want attention, or it just makes you hard.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:24:55 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, I have no idea whether these are correct or not. Can't be a spoiler if I don't even know if they're accurate.
glider97 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:03:45 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then why spew lies? I just want to know what you get out of it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:15 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, I'm confident they're real, I just can't say for certain.
glider97 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:31:25 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But why do you want to spoil it for others? What's in it for you?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:20:24 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought it was smug to order someone to delete his comment to avoid spoilers when he was just as susceptible to getting spoiled.
glider97 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:31:16 on August 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Really? How was that smug? IMO, what you did was even more smug.
_ChestHair_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:30:01 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just report his comments and move on
ciberaj ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:21:12 on August 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Guys relax, this hasn't happened at all. It could be true but it's just speculations.
ciberaj ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:20:12 on August 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't find the High Sparrow interesting at all. He just annoyed me to no end.
Rengiil ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:53:11 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's terrible. It's basically an action movie now. Things that would've taken entire seasons to happen happen in half an hour.
lobax ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:57:34 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't you hear? Westerous has teleportation now
Rengiil ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:04:28 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I always knew Littlefinger couldn't keep that teleportation technology to himself. Now it's disseminated throughout the entire country!
Silkku ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:04:57 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Omg guiz its an fantasy series!!! Have some imagination!!
Besides, we have a fuckload of viewers so we don't have to give a fuck anymore"
-the director in an interview about last episode.
Sad thing is I didn't even abridge it that much
OktoberStorm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:08:20 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll tack another unpopular opinion on yours so there's two of us:
The first three episodes are shite. Just exposition crap to sell it in with viewers.
DestinysFetus ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:39:56 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Han Solo dines at the end. Mmmm
fawert1 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:25:26 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah same for The North remembers/Winter is coming
DOWDKR01 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 08:36:09 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, 'Winter Is Coming' is the official words of House Stark.
fawert1 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 10:50:35 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know. I mean the confusion between the two.
Pulsecode9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:41:08 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A saying that I'm pretty sure is going to be their ruin. The Iron Throne is propped up by the Iron Bank, and if Cersei really has paid off all their loans, the Iron Bank no longer has a vested interest in her sitting the throne.
_ChestHair_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:52 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
GOT S7 Spoilers
ConspicuousPineapple ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:27:15 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah that would be a pretty lousy official motto.
kurbsdude ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:03:01 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well it would be weird to have a motto based on debts.
Rogue_Ref_NZ ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 06:10:03 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
... jeez.. season 1 episode 1. They go over exactly that.
HooptyDooDooMeister ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:28:36 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly why I knew it wasn't. I just couldn't remember the actual motto.
Periclydes ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:49:48 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is there something wrong with that?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:50:30 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good lord what debt could Bill Gates possibly have? Not a real question just a hypothetical, what in the world could mean Bill Gates has debt?
agareo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:51 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
id love to take out loans if i were gates just to have banks fawn all over me when i walk in
ArtofAngels ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 10:30:42 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How is this related to Game of Thrones?
[deleted] ยท 842 points ยท Posted at 08:01:51 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Plot twist: they were already developing the game
this_is_not_nil ยท 551 points ยท Posted at 08:25:15 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course they were, 1 year for an AAA title is amazing if not.
EdvinM ยท 292 points ยท Posted at 09:02:18 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not like it's released yet.
Brewster-Rooster ยท 124 points ยท Posted at 12:02:33 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah and the trailer showed nothing at all, for all we know they haven't even started development.
MostlyCarbonite ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:32:29 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They did start development... of the trailer.
SWgeek10056 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:28:59 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They've been working on and have demo footage for Age of Empires Definitive Edition and apparently even playable campaigns but you need to be in the beta program where you agree not to disclose that kind of information (whoops, guess some people didn't read)
I wouldn't be surprised at all if they had core concepts and a game engine down and were nailing down some campaigns right now. I'd suspect they're in the middle of the alpha stage where some textures or map entities/triggers may be missing so it's not "camera ready" but it's still technically playable.
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Brewster-Rooster ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 13:00:31 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I assume you haven't seen the AOE trailer. It literally shows nothing about the new game except the logo.
Kakarot_faps ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 13:57:51 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All of the images are even from previous games
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 14:09:28 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)*
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Brewster-Rooster ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:13:12 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Those pre-rendered trailers at least give a good idea of the setting, gameplay etc.
This literally told us nothing about the game, no one even knows what era of time it will take place in.
DrMobius0 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:36:10 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In my experience, if a company is showing a trailer without gameplay, USUALLY, they're fairly certain what they have is an incomplete, but mostly playable version of what the game is envisioned to be. You don't start seeing gameplay trailers until content starts hitting release quality, and that may still be a few months off from that. Either way though, if they're announcing, it means they likely have an internal release timeline, and may have 1 or 2 release dates picked out, depending on how things go
ukkraynes ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 09:37:11 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, if you have enough manpower you can make games pretty fast, especially if you made the game 3 times already.
Ringosis ยท 83 points ยท Posted at 09:54:56 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)*
a) There are likely no salvageable assets from any of the previous games that would be high enough quality to use
b) You'd hope they aren't just making the same game again
c) Manpower only increases production speed to a point. You can't have a million coders writing a line of code each
It is VERY unlikely that this game wasn't at some stage in development before Gates was asked about it.
PRGuy720 ยท 55 points ยท Posted at 10:08:37 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An analogy I heard is that 9 women can't make a baby in 1month.
DrJKirby ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 10:29:03 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You'd need at least one male.
coscorrodrift ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 11:03:46 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, if a man and a woman make a baby in 9 months, and 9 men and 9 women make 9 babies in 9 months, the monthly baby average works out to be 1 baby/ month using 9 pairs of breeders
rebrain ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 11:34:02 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You don't even need 9 men, let's increase efficiency and have just one. Need just 1.11 people to make a baby a month
coscorrodrift ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:26:56 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
indeed. 9 months and a very fun night for a man
Jamber_Jamber ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 11:24:55 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If only we were getting AOE 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, and 12
PRGuy720 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:13:05 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
More like, you need a baby in 1month, you can't do it regardless of the number of breeders. You don't get 9months.
Rules_are_for_fools ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:30:19 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which brings us to the importance of existing infrastructure. If you already had a baby pipeline of 9 women staggered a month apart, you would only average only have a to wait 2 weeks for a new baby.
It's actually the reason why the US continues to produce top of the line tanks and planes and ships, even though they have nobody to fight. Because when a war starts, they don't want to have to wait the proverbial 9 months for that baby.
OystersClamsCuckolds ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:26:29 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They can't make a single baby, regardless of the timeframe.
Seatings ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:38:29 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's also likely that he didn't know that. But by simply having Bill Gates ask the question it kicked production up.
Gbiknel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:14:33 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's being made by Relic, which did company of heros. They've got a history making good RTS games so they should have some internal knowledge to speed development. That said, they should take their time because this could turn into a gold mine if they do it right.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 10:34:01 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
^ Found the Project Manager.
Short answer: No you cannot. Mythical Man month.
Valmond ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 10:05:41 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think it works that way...
The last opus was live 12 years ago, I don't think old forgotten code will help neither the graphics from that time.
Source: have been game dev.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:07:48 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It seems like all the replies to this are not getting the humour.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:10:12 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think anyone got your joke. As the list maker seems to have proved.
Tony_AbbottPBUH ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 09:46:30 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
theres no release date yet and they didnt show anything in the trailer so we have literally no idea how far along development is
DrMobius0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:39:13 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd guess far enough along that they have a fairly certain release timeline internally. It'd guess that gameplay is where they want it to be, but it may not visually be up to their bar yet. Either that, or it is, and marketing just wants to tease us a bit. It's hard to tell.
SJVellenga ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:37:07 on August 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Plot twist, they just made the trailer to fuck with us all.
[deleted] ยท 114 points ยท Posted at 09:38:32 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)*
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Coltand ยท 160 points ยท Posted at 11:15:25 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And some people are no fun.
Do you really think everyone here actually believes this thread was the actual reason for the new game?
ryusage ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 13:42:16 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly the more impressive part to me is that Bill Gates thought to come back to that comment a year later and update it.
MicroscopicElbows ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:44:51 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I thought that was the point of this post, to show he actually thought to come back to the comment.
FabioGNR ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:10:37 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where did he come back? Can't find it.
ihahp ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:42:54 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
last post of his:
https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/5whpqs/im_bill_gates_cochair_of_the_bill_melinda_gates/div4w6h/
FabioGNR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:48:54 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh wow 2 months ago already. Thanks!
ihahp ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:44:21 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, BillG has awesome handlers. I am pretty sure in the AMA, when LeClick asked about Age Of Empires, he had one of his team see if it's in development at all, and when he found out it was, he posted his "Ill look into it" reply.
Then someone else reminded him ... He's a pretty sharp guy, and I think he's pretty genuine, but he's got people whose job it is to do this for him, I'm pretty sure.
santsi ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:17:01 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's fair. I personally see no point in entertaining such fantasies, but if other people do that's alright.
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 11:58:07 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)*
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ToddGack ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 12:26:00 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was upvoted to the front page of /all. Pretty sure people are taking the title literally.
Alfrredu ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:49:42 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean it's a mythical game saga.. Unless the game is a turd is gonna sell a lot..
Epamynondas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:46:31 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
what if good old bill really liked that game and that comment reminded him of it so he decided to spend money on developing a new one basically for his own benefit though
C0lMustard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:06:22 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Would help though, small funding on a new AOE game, suddenly the chairman of the board takes interest, big funding.
Arnox47 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:37:47 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's Bill Gates, he invests in what he wants. He's loaded.
flashcats ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:40:51 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No one actually things this one guy is what caused AoE to come out. They're just having some fun man.
iain_1986 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:04:30 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe read most of the other replies I got...lots and lots of people trying suggest otherwise.
flashcats ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:14:23 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like "omg he did it!"? Those posts?
You take them seriously enough that you have to call them out?
If they are actually dumb enough to believe that, then what makes you think you can bring them to reality?
iain_1986 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:21 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No. Not those, I said the replies but tbh if you're selectively ignoring them whats the point. I'm talking of all the "Well he's a billionaire, he could easily do this" and "I imagine he sat down with folks and got it pushed through" or "Maybe not him but definitely other execs who were reading the AMA".
There's plenty in here and in the replies to my original comment in exactly that tone.
jammerjoint ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:39:55 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually you can. For the amount of attention his comment got, it's clear that the market is receptive to a new installment in the series.
Ringosis ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 09:57:27 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)*
To be fair, were talking about a guy who routinely gives away tens of billions of dollars. It wouldn't be outside his ability or character for him to just make a game for a guy because he felt like it.
Edit - To all the people downvoting me and telling me he's not Willy Wonka...when I pointed out his charitable acts I wasn't suggesting it was an indication he might just pay to have the game made...I was pointing out that he's generally fairly altruistic and it wouldn't be wildly out of character for him to go and look into the feasibility of making AOE4 if someone asked him about it. Bill Gates is known to be a gamer, maybe he liked AOE, maybe Microsoft Studios had just finished a title, maybe Bill Gates walked in an started asking about AOE4, maybe on the back of that they looked into how financially viable it was and decided it was a good idea.
I do NOT think it's likely that that comment had anything to do with the start of development, I was taking issue with this specific guys attitude, trying to lord it over people by calling them naive for believing this story. It is ENTIRELY possible that it could have happened. His attitude that "You guys are all idiots because companies don't make investments based off reddit comments" is just idiotic...no one suggested that they did. I doubt anyone over the age of 6 was sitting here thinking that if Bill Gates walked into the developers and said "MAKE AOE4" that they'd drop everything and do it...but if you think that Bill Gates has NO influence or that he couldn't have done this...you're as dumb as those 6 year olds.
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 10:10:35 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe he gives away money mostly for humanitarian reasons though, pleasing some spoiled first world geeks ain't really in his scope is it?
dkey1983 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 11:16:01 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, he gives it away to solve malaria. He's not Willy Wonka.
Ringosis ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 11:26:22 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Read my comment below. I'm not suggesting he'd make a game out of charity, but he is more than capable of getting the ball rolling on a project like this if he was in any way inclined.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:35:03 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you mental? Do you seriously believe that is how corporate decisions of public listed companies are taken?
ForensicShoe ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 10:36:55 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is Reddit we're on about here...
Posid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:51:45 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm betting that a majority of people on Reddit never held a job in a publicly traded company and so they have no idea how they actually work. It's not out of malice or stupidity, it's just ignorance.
Wouldn't surprise me if a majority of Reddit especially in the big subreddits are kids/students/unemployed adults.
Ringosis ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:08:00 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No I'm not mental. I'm not suggesting he's privately funding AOE4. I'm suggesting that it's Bill Gates, his company has games studios, it has the rights to the franchise, it was an exceptionally successful game, a few old strategy titles have been doing pretty well recently.
What I believe is that if Bill Gates, on a whim, walked into Microsoft Studios and said, "What about making AOE 4?" because someone asked him to, it would be more than enough to get the ball rolling on production of that title, not specifically because Bill Gates told them to, but because they would probably go away, look into the feasibility of the project and realise that it's actually likely to do well.
I do NOT believe this is what happened. It seems very likely to me that the game was already in production (as I've said in this very thread), the point I was making is that it would absolutely not be outside the realms of possibility that someone asking Bill Gates for AOE4 could have ended up in the development of AOE4.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:05:07 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even as a hypothesis that is mental and is completely at odds with how companies work.
Posid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:54:40 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)*
I get where you're coming from, but it would still take a lot longer than 1 year to have an actual product. I get that you're saying you don't believe it either so we're really on the same page here :)
He could set the gears in motion, but you still need someone to follow the standard operating procedures which likely means that someone would have to make a business case, then the business case would have to go several levels of approvals depending on the amount of investment that it requires. Then you'll have a shit ton of meetings about it with all kinds of different people and MAYBE 6 months later you have an approved business plan with resources allocated.
Nothing in the corporate world moves so fast that you could take an idea from the inception stage and have a finished product in a year(for a project actually requiring resources, it's obviously different if we're talking about smaller projects.).
Zakaru99 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:45:01 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with you, but this isn't a finished product in a year. This is announcing a plan to sell a product that is still in production.
Ringosis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:01:11 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Look at my other comments. I'm well aware. I just didn't like this guys attitude.
wOlfLisK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:24:01 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
1 year from beginning development to announcing the game isn't that quick. There's not even a release date yet, it could easily be another year or two until we get to play it.
AimingWineSnailz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:43:57 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They'll be releasing AOE definitive edition before that. It'll take about 3 years.
DrMobius0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:31:42 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not really even possible unless they're building off of an already finished product
flashcats ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:46 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We've literally seen nothing about the game. For all we know, the only thing they've done is made the logo trailer and signed up the developer.
__Hello_my_name_is__ ยท 69 points ยท Posted at 10:17:29 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of fucking course they were. I can't believe people here are this stupid and think that comment had anything whatsoever to do with the development of the game.
I mean, what else was he supposed to say? โOh, no, we shall never develop another game! Thank you for asking."? Jesus Christ.
Javlington ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 10:25:33 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Preach. The guy doesn't even work for MS anymore too.
Baron-of-bad-news ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 13:48:37 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean I expect they still take his calls.
flipbits ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:35:19 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He probably doesn't even know what they do there anymore
JuniorSeniorTrainee ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:35:12 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I AM ALSO QUITE ANGRY ABOUT THIS THREAD
flipbits ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:34:39 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, he could have just not answered the question and no one would have had second thoughts.
Ringosis ยท 72 points ยท Posted at 09:51:24 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can't believe this is not top comment. Games don't go from nothing to trailer in under a year. This game was already being made. Someone asked Bill Gates to make a game, he either didn't know the game was already in production or spotted a nice opportunity to look good....went away, came back, announced the game that would have been announced anyway had the AMA not taken place.
Awwtist ยท 61 points ยท Posted at 11:40:10 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you WATCH the trailer? There was no game play footage, and half the trailer was concept art for AOE 3.
Ringosis ยท -18 points ยท Posted at 11:44:19 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't actually. I assumed it was an actual trailer from the way people were going on about it. Still seems very unlikely this was anything other than coincidence and marketing though.
Awwtist ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 11:47:08 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You could get a job at the New York Times.
han_fisto ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 10:41:14 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That trailer was terrible though. It wouldn't have been that hard to put together.
Eskimosam ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 11:50:44 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's just a bunch of art (that easily could have been pulled from previous games) slapped together with a narrator.
HCrikki ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:01:42 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It wasnt meant to showcase anything though. Doesnt mean that progress hasnt been significant enough they're confident development will reach completion to a decent standard.
Jaqqarhan ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 11:38:08 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I assume most people understand it's a joke. Gates stepped down as CEO 17 years ago, and stepped down as chairman 3 years ago. He doesn't have any say on what games Microsoft makes.
MostlyBullshitStory ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:32:16 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's still on the board, if Bill Gates says he wants fucking Age of Empires, you can bet your ass Bill Gates will get Age of Empires.
Jaqqarhan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:48:43 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Board members don't have that kind of power. Bill Gates works full time at his foundation. He isn't going to spend his precious time trying to pressure microsoft over a game to please reddit.
big-fireball ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:02:04 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
lol, have you ever worked a job where you have regular access to the board? I have and let me tell you, when a board member wants something, it gets done.
Who do you think the president of your company reports to?
Ninja edit: I don't believe that Bill actually advocated for this game.
Kriegenstein ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:44:37 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The trailer is an announcement trailer. No gameplay or anything.
They could have made that in a month.
spikeyfreak ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:22:33 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, they can. Especially when the "trailer" has zero in-game or even rendered footage.
jammerjoint ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:41:26 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did you even watch the trailer? That could have easily been outlined and made in two weeks. Zero game footage, only still art pieces.
VoxAeternus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:55:17 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They had ideas for AOE 4 and AOE 5 while making AOE 3, It just wasn't readily accessible info cause it was from an image in a Concept Art Book that came with the AOE 3 Collectors edition.
Edit: This is what I'm talking about
pasterfordin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:21:33 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most likely. Me thinks he had nothing to do with it.
Shunto ยท 158 points ยท Posted at 08:08:07 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"How many empires do you need" was quite a funny response too
HaikusfromBuddha ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:35:33 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also very accurate because at the Age of Empires event they also announced all AoE games would receive Definitive Editions.
GreyGonzales ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:38:32 on August 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really want to see what they do with AoE 2 and 3 and hopefully Mythology gets one too. The preview for 1 looks amazing.
Jamestown2017 ยท 179 points ยท Posted at 06:57:43 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How about a new LA Noir game with 4k facial graphics?
psilontech ยท 221 points ยท Posted at 07:42:26 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's already out in the wild, just google '4k facial' and hit I'm feeling lucky!
gafgalron ยท 65 points ยท Posted at 08:01:55 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
oh dude, it looks great, I think I got a clue.
[deleted] ยท 62 points ยท Posted at 08:50:33 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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blanxable ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:10:48 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, I got a raging clue like, right now.
TheQueensFuneral ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 12:22:47 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok let's follow your raging clue.
blanxable ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 12:40:46 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh we're totally following my raging clue.
Guypoope ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 09:29:51 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
fuk it opened porn and now my mom grounded me
pasterfordin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:22:09 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This topic can get a bit sticky
Jamestown2017 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:07:25 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But see should I google female facial or male facial? It maybe look up some animal facials...
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 08:21:02 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Fruit-Salad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:03:34 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Look up Timesplitters: Rewind. Bunch of fans got the go ahead to legally use the IP under creative commons. It's not in a playable state just yet but it looks like they're getting close.
Ringosis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:01:40 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Timesplitters is a relic of a different era. It would not update well. Just take a look at the modernisation of Golden Eye. They aren't great.
Those games, Timesplitters, Golden Eye, Perfect Dark, etc, were amazing at the time because they were effectively creating a genre, shit no one had ever seen before, they were exciting and new...not anymore. Nowadays even average games have tighter controls and game mechanics. And it's not like Timesplitters setting or plot were anything to write home about...the whole thing was basically designed to allow them to just throw in anything as characters or enemies. If you tried to make that now it'd seem VERY generic. It'd be lost in the sea of multiplayer FPS games with whacky characters that there is now.
PM_Me_Tiger_Pics ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 11:53:03 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You. Shut. Your. Whore. Mouth.
DrJKirby ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 10:33:21 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't reckon they'll make a new one, because the first one was too expensive. But, what Id do is remove doubt. It was always doubt that made it weird, because that was purely based on facial expressions, not evidence. If we could choose either to believe them or accuse them of lying, and have to provide evidence for the latter, then they wouldn't need to be so detailed in facial expressions. Though, I suppose every game nowadays has excellent graphics (see WWE 2K18 photos), so perhaps it is cheaper. I really want it, as well. That was one of my favourite games to free roam in, even though there was hardly anything to do. They did a good thing with making free roam separate, so you'd be able to repeat all the crimes in progress.
mofeus305 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 11:28:48 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Would love a new LA game. Personally I found it more enjoyable to play than red dead.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:35:57 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hail LA Noir. This def needs a reboot!
dvntwnsnd ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:47:20 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really hope Rockstar makes a LA Noire sequel, but for the love of god please don't get Brendan McNamara involved.
stevedeka ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:23:51 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except make it all about bananas
Jblack2236 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:41:01 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
La Noir was one of my favorite games ever made bar some older games. I LOVE an LA Noir 2. That would be so awesome.
Epistaxis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:09:14 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How about a new LA Noire game where the protagonist doesn't randomly shout at suspects because the developers changed the dialogue options after the acting was already recorded?
Rashkh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:56:36 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where's BioWare when you need them?
Epistaxis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:08:26 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Turning the crank on their famous formula.
dlm891 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:09:05 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
LA Noire shouldve been a walking simulator, and not try to shoehorn in all these GTA style gun battles, car chases, and its absurd scoring system for interrogation. Unfortunately, it was released just before walking simulators became popular.
[deleted] ยท 243 points ยท Posted at 08:07:32 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why do people give reddit gold to Bill Gates?
Amonette2012 ยท 226 points ยท Posted at 08:42:32 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To support Reddit. Every time you buy gold you help keep the lights on, no matter who its for.
Reddit Gold is worthless to users, but to Reddit it's part of the bottom line that keeps this entire hub running. Giving Bill Gates gold is like wiping Jesus's feet with your hair - it's kind of weird, but you never know, maybe Jesus was actually having a really shitty day that day and the weird hair chick cheered him up. Maybe even Bill Gates needs the imaginary internet hugs sometimes.
I guess Reddit Gold is a bit like human kindness. If you stop for long enough to ask whether the person you were about to wholeheartedly give it to is worthy enough to deserve it, you're kind of a dick.
CaptCurmudgeon ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 13:04:48 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think Reddit has any trouble keeping the lights on ever since they were bought out by Conde Nast
Amonette2012 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:15:05 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What, you think that means they don't need to make money any more?
Sure, and monkeys might fly out of my butt...
CaptCurmudgeon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:36:50 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It means they aren't relying on paying the bills through Gold. You don't spend tens of millions to get paid back with $3.99/month subscriptions for .01% of the userbase.
Amonette2012 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:38:08 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, but if people stop buying it entirely it can make the whole investment look a bit dodgy.
903124 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:47:14 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reddit gold is less than 10% of ad revenue and it probably means next to nothing.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:31:48 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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903124 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:45:57 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reddit gold generates $750k while ad generates $8M.
Monkeyfusion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:00:45 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's definitely a healthy chunk of their revenue
Amonette2012 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:34:38 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah of course, I mean any business that relies on the kindness of strangers has to get a lot more pushy about it. The gold reminds us that reddit is made of people. I'm sure at some point Conde Nast will fuck it all up and we will end up somewhere else, but, for a while, it was good here. Gold was part of that.
Doelago ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 13:15:48 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No it is not! I was having a really bad day a few weeks back and receiving a Reddit gold for a post I made brought a smile to my face and saved my evening.
Amonette2012 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:21:39 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I meant in that you can't really spend it, but you are right, it gives you warm fuzzies, and that is nice!
razuliserm ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:29:15 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)*
I never received gold before :(
Edit: Jebaited af! Thanks /u/Good4Karma :)
SexLiesAndExercise ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:24:43 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
See? Worthless!
DontClickLinks ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:20:59 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with what you said. Except the the insinuation that wiping your hair on someone's feet is something you should do without really considering whether that person deserves it.
But hey, what do I know. I dont know where you are from or what your customs are, so go wipe your hair on peoples feet. I am sure they will all appreciate it. Dont be a dick.
Amonette2012 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:25:59 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cmon, it's reddit. It could get a lot weirder than hair and feet. I was just grabbing an example at random. My point is that we're all weirdos and we should try and be nice to each other.
Also I'm guessing the hair wiping lady asked first, I mean it's not in the bible, but Jesus seemed to have a fair number of friends around who would probably have saved him from the whole foot/ hair situation if he wasn't cool with it.
IDIFTLSRSLY ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:17:15 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Jesus hair foot shine analogy was absolutely brilliant. One of the finest pieces of internet reading in this day and age.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:35:51 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Amonette2012 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 11:28:20 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most sensible organizations (and people) try to nail down more than one revenue stream. Advertising is one, Reddit Gold is another.
Subarunicycle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:10:16 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"If I could just touch the hem of his garment, I know I'll be made whole"
[deleted] ยท 81 points ยท Posted at 08:34:18 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He buys gold for himself to make his comment seem important.
Randomosaur ยท 51 points ยท Posted at 08:13:41 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He should buy Reddit Gold for all of us.
MilitantSatanist ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 08:20:21 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll take that in the form of US Dollars.
Plz&ty.
Lil_o_Jerms ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 08:21:45 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think I'd rather have 4 bucks.
rattatatouille ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:33:54 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's just three fiddy rounded up.
rebrain ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 11:38:00 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because it's a sign of appreciation that supports the community by supporting Reddit
bcrabill ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 12:01:20 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why do people act like receiving gold has anything to do with your wealth? It's about showing appreciation and supporting reddit. It's basically worthless to the recipient, but a nice a gesture.
spaiydz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:31:15 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So they can say "hey I bought Bill Gates gold!"
toastymarbles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:13:39 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why do people give credit to Bill Gates? He had nothing to do with the announcement and as far as we know nothing to do with AoE4's development.
Valmond ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 10:16:24 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because after being one of the biggest a*holes and became the richest person in the world, people forget about the former and want to be on the train with good 'ol Billy.
flipbits ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:37:23 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
its ok you can say asshole on reddit, and i doubt he was ever an asshole, just a ruthless business man
Valmond ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:09:00 on August 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well I don't as I lived through that time.
RichardNZ69 ยท 144 points ยท Posted at 06:17:49 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wohooo it's coming! Glorious Trailer Not sure what kind of timeframe it's based in but I'm sure it'll be awesome!
Drunk_Dwarf ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 08:21:50 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well I'm hoping for modern warfare, with the first age being WWI. then as you upgrade through the ages you go through WWII, Vietnam, the gulf and finish were we are now.
niini ยท 81 points ยท Posted at 08:27:50 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly prefer the ancient warfare games, hope they rehash and expand those :)
Arclight_Ashe ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 08:33:18 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yeah, all they need to do is copy paste age of empires 2 with more content and everyone would be happy.
silverscrub ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 08:56:18 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You must be playing your hearts out with AoE2 HD.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 11:30:33 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's 2017. You don't think they can do both? Start from the Stone Age and through linked campaigns get all the way to modern. That sounds amazing.
Asaroz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:03:44 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You should Play Empire earth then. Classic RTS with exactly what you asked for. Awesome game
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:08:56 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love Empire Earth. Rise of Nations also had something similar going on. But neither had anything on AoE.
I was a big RTS guy.
jb2386 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:48:47 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure they will unless it's like Empire Earth and spans all history. They haven't even released AoE definitive edition. Why would they make a new game that competes with themselves? So that's my theory. It's all ages or modern age.
niini ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:02:58 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
because that's pretty much what a sequel is
jb2386 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:15:19 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They don't release a sequel at the same time as the original though.
1-forrest-1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:47 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not really a problem when it's been 2 decades
jb2386 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:04:25 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Definitive edition isn't out yet. It's being updated with new graphics and other updates. It's almost like a new game.
edp1123 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 09:50:01 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know why you're getting downvoted that's literally what was planned:
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/33/55677518_25f950ab1a.jpg
somethingx10 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 10:24:49 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reddit? Reason? Please
Gefarate ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 10:45:24 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because they want AoE2 again...
somethingx10 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:36:59 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty much. It would be nice if they had AoE2+Conquerors the same game but based on today's technology. It's hard to top perfection, but if the game doesn't operate on supported operating systems, it's junk. Wireless LAN sessions would be a dream.
EnricoMicheli ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:43:35 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was thinking, IF this new one is modern warfare, they are releasing the first remastered, and the second and third too, so technically there's a new game for each time period, would please most people, I mean, this could be the plan.
superscout ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:11:04 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That was like 10 years ago, and there was nothing else to go with that, just the picture
Pete26196 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:40:23 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Modern warfare doesn't work with the traditional "building from nothing" style of gameplay in every aoe game previously.
That source is also only concept art from a defunct studio that's over 10 years old, and hence unlikely to be relevent to whatever is in development.
TheRevMrGreen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:15:10 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You don't know what is planned.
Blue_boy_ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:10:30 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably because people actually watched the trailer. Doesn't really give away the exact timespan, but there's definitely no 20th century
MegaZeus101 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:40:41 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You forget the part where the audio is saying, pretty obviously, that, "...there is a new age upon us," after going through art and stuff detailing the past three games and expansions.
Blue_boy_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:32:51 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
whoops, I watched it on my phone with the audio turned down pretty low
Rules_are_for_fools ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:32:42 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then you are missing a whole bunch of the 1700s and 1800s. Personally I would prefer if it started in early 1800s and ended in WW2.
Drunk_Dwarf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:40:07 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But how much time is missing between AOE2 and 3. The original poster in AOE2 manual showed a soldier with what looked like an m16 for AOE4 so I think Vietnam era warfare will feature if they stick with that plan. They may well won't though as its been so long since the last game. They may well have changed their plan, but going by the trailer it did seem to hint at a new age.
RichardNZ69 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 08:27:50 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So keen for that! Pretty much all they can do now I guess.
Makanly ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 08:33:49 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you haven't seen it already, check out Empire Earth.
Drunk_Dwarf ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:43:08 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Empire earth was great but went from cave men all the way into the future. The original plan for AOEs was always an ancient, middle ages, colonial, modern and then a future game. I prefer it that way as none of the ages are rushed and can be fleshed out a little more. If you want to nuke your ancient age neighbours then go ahead and play empire earth or civ. Both great games but not AOE.
Ninja edit. A word
CobblyPot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:59:21 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm hoping for a combination of eras. The artwork in the trailer seemed to imply a much wider focus, so I'm thinking instead of the trend of moving up through the ages with each sequel, instead it'll be something more like Civilization where you start in the ancient era and work your way through.
Could make for some long matches, but I'd love that.
jdepps113 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:07:06 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are describing Rise of Nations 2, not Age of Empires 4.
KneeDeepInTheDead ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:35:03 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i see a Portuguese flag so im guessing Age of Discovery - Napoleon era
iPulzzz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:27:11 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Those are recap of older games though, age of discovery was already in AoE3.
[deleted] ยท 247 points ยท Posted at 06:57:09 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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xveganrox ยท 120 points ยท Posted at 07:14:05 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That was the short-lived Age of Empires Online
gologologolo ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 07:25:14 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hope they learned that lesson.
dollrighty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:36:17 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Microsoft doesn't learn their lesson. They just insists everyone else is wrong and then press forward damn the consequences.
SWgeek10056 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:31:40 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair microsoft also is at the forefront of a lot of innovations nobody wants to give them credit for. For example they had tablets first, zune was an objectively better product in nearly every single way, and they got people buzzing about motion capture devices with the kinect. They're doing alright, they just take a lot of risks that turn out to be flops that nobody likes (Edge, windows mobile, vista... etc.)
squirvel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:56:15 on August 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Vista is the backbone of Windows 7, 8, and in part 10. Intel more or less screwed vista up with"vista capable"
SWgeek10056 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:37:00 on August 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah what I was trying to get at though is it was buggy as hell during its initial launch and it took a while for fixes to get out. Many companies skipped it all together because of the myriad of problems it caused.
gologologolo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:46 on August 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
tbf Apple does that too. Except they have an idea of what's a good UX
FUCK_MAGIC ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 08:15:58 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I heard some group of fans has reproduced that whole game totally for free, I hope someone can help me with a link to the project?
in_situ_ ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 10:00:24 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's called Forgotten Empires. The "fans" who made it are now the official developers of Age of Empires 2 HD on Steam.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 10:30:59 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:16:36 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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BleuAzur ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:24:01 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not exactly Age of Empires, but for people that are interested in similar free fan-made games, I can recommend 0 A.D. It's got a similar feel and gameplay and it's such a great game overall !
https://play0ad.com/
FUCK_MAGIC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:46:14 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I've been following the project for a while, last time i tried it was still in Alpha, but looks better now.
MrSouthWest ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:30:34 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you mean the Wars of Liberty Mod? Never tried it as I am playing Mac through a Windows Skin.
http://www.moddb.com/mods/aoe3wol
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 08:06:23 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was a shame though, I grew up with 1 and didn't like 2 nearly as much, online was great but the system around it made it insufferable.
MrSouthWest ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 09:29:01 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have you tried Age of Empires III?
millarke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:23:13 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I loved it when it came out, but I tried it again recently and I really didn't enjoy it :(
AlexisFR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:57:44 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Microsoft Flight Too. though we are yet to see any new Microsoft flight sim :/
Daktush ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:03:27 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually enjoyed that one believe it or not
Had absolute cancer DRM though (games for Windows live) and I believe at least half the hate for the game comes from there
DontGetMadGetGood ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 07:48:10 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What RTS game has been ruined by microtransactions, or what could ruin an RTS game with them?
PoopTorpedo ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 08:01:26 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Coh2 released with only two factions. The other 3 have to be purchased separately. AFAIK the starter factions tend to be considered weaker than the others(someone correct me if im wrong).
Each faction has commanders that you can choose which also change how you play(different abilities, different units). Commanders are also purchased separately or unlocked through grinding.
Hobzy ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 08:17:36 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
COH1 released with only two factions too. Had to get the other 2 through (dlc) expansions. The balance in COH2 isn't too bad either, and you always get complaints about certain tactics or units. But yeah DLC/microtransaction scheme for the COH2 is atrocious. Also the limited mod support.
Kysadmins ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:35:20 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Coh2 is complete trash right now.... Lmfao.
polymorph505 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:38:58 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wouldn't you know it, the same company behind CoH2 is making AoE4.
[deleted] ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 08:04:37 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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SylvesterPSmythe ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 10:54:15 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do Expansions count as DLC in this case? RTS games have had expansions for a long time. Brood War
The Frozen Throne
Rise of the Romans
Age of Conquerors
Yuri's Revenge
etc
EnigmaNL ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 11:10:55 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Those are proper expansions, they rarely ever happen anymore. Dlc is usually just one new race or a few new maps.
wraithcube ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:07:12 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
SC2 with WoL > HotS > LotV. Map packs don't really function for RTS games though just because of the way it's balanced. Races are usually balanced through changes in map design first and balance patches 2nd and most RTS games come with a built in mapmaker. In all honesty there haven't been really much released in the RTS genre since SC2 first came out.
Sheather ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:14:28 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Borrow" heroes from MOBAs?
EnigmaNL ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:12:30 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Borrow the concept of heroes. Along with having to buy them. Like Dawn of War 3.
Sheather ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:02:07 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Heroes have been in RTS before MOBA games were even a thing, though. MOBAs were created because a modder utilised the concept of heroes from an RTS into a custom map and made some of his own, progressively adding new and interesting mechanics.
Heroes of Might and Magic, and the Warcraft series really bring them to the fore.
EnigmaNL ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:05:10 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know but recently they started making them more similar to modern MOBA heroes than to the old RTS in terms of gameplay. They have a bigger effect on gameplay than heroes in WC3 and the way you buy them is similar to MOBAs too.
MOBAS came from RTS and heroes evolved more in the MOBA genre and now they're making their way back into RTS. We've come full circle I guess.
Sheather ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:05:19 on August 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah fair call, I can dig that.
DontGetMadGetGood ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:57:35 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fair enough
It's very likely AoE4 will be buy to play, I havn't heard of any game being pay to unlock factions(outside of expansion packs, which are generally reasonable)
EnigmaNL ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:13:32 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Company of Heroes 2 and Total War Warhammer had DLC factions.
MichaeltheMagician ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:57:45 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, as great as that game is, Crusader Kings II has large parts of the game blocked off behind a paywall.
MegaZeus101 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:47:23 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True, but, though it might not be "right," that is the Paradox development style; make a game, see if it's popular, and then release dlc and 'proper' expansions until the interest dies off. Though the dlc's are mostly cosmetic, I think that the expansions are usually worth it due to how much they add.
For most any given Paradox game you can make the claim that, "large parts of the game are blocked behind a pay pal," however, the game on its own is usually good enough, and the expansions merely add to that. The same can be said for Civ. 5 and its expansions.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:10:00 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
and i can't make head or tail of its interface
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 09:19:27 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i hear dawn of war 3 is complete shit
breakyourfac ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 07:58:27 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Clash of clans but on PC, it could happen
Kakarot_faps ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:02:11 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only if it were initially free, which is the entire reason clash of clans has them. If it was a 60 dollar game it wouldn't.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:29:07 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, back in the day they just gathered all the additions onto a CD-ROM and released it as what archaeologists have termed an "Expansion Pack" for near full-price. It also broke compatibility, splitting the multiplayer community.
I'm all for summarily executing anyone guilty of riddling a game with micro-transactions (looking at you, Valve), but just adding new civilizations in updates and making them playable through the purchase of DLC is fine by me, so long as they aren't stupidly overpowered, making the game P2W.
What really rustles my jimmies is developers trying to have their cake and eat it too, like Paradox are doing with Crusader Kings 2, for example. They release complete expansions every now and again, adding playable areas and new ways to play, but they also split out cosmetic updates that by all rights should be free into small, individually-purchased DLC packages.
I remember when Oblivion's Horse Armor DLC got the entire internet pissed off with how they charged like ten buckaroos for what was so insubstantial that it should have been released for free on nexusmods. Little did we know that it was but a taste of things to come.
RayCharlizard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:41:34 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, as if the guy in the $5,000 suit isn't going to put microtransactions in all of his games. Come on!
5mileyFaceInkk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:16:15 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, Halo has Req Packs courtesy of Microsoft. So yeah
jdepps113 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:02:54 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well Age 3 had two expansion packs which had new nations, maps, units.
I think that's fair.
EnigmaNL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:21:59 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have no problem with expansion packs, they usually offer a lot of new content for a fair price and there's usually not too many of them.
Nebakanezzer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:09:22 on August 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You could, you know...not buy it until they cave and put out the complete edition for like $15, and stop rewarding shitty practices
EnigmaNL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:44:10 on August 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is exactly what I'm doing.
Bagelstein ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:45:40 on August 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
oh yay found the generic comment about all game announcements for the last decade!
cromathor ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 11:41:44 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Okay here's the deal. If you want a game to last forever then it needs a monetization model that lasts forever. If you pay a flat price and get the game that's good, but to pay for a team devoted to updates, bug fixes etc. requires money. NO game is perfectly bug-free and balanced on release. Microtransactions keep a game alive much longer than it would with the standard model. This allows for a more balanced game and a better competitive scene.
With a game like AoE it's pretty easy to see expansions and factions sitting behind a paywall, but other than that maybe cosmetics? RTS is not an easily monetized genre. People have said collectable heroes, and it's something I could certainly see. Personally I could see something like skill trees that you set up before a match and you could pay for extra slots for different strategies or something along those lines.
Maybe they'll find something creative that most people won't object to, but ultimately you should expect every large studio game for the foreseeable future to have some form of money generation outside of the initial release. It's too effective for studios to ignore.
EnigmaNL ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 11:47:06 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A game cannot last forever and it doesn't need to.
The reason why every modern triple A game has additional cash grabbing in it is this: greed.
Games used to be successful and profitable without microtransactions and tons of DLC, they just wanted them to be even more profitable.
A lot of money isn't enough for them, they want all of the money. Profit maximization is the name of the game. Unfortunately games and gamers have to suffer as a result. It is one of the more disgusting aspects of capitalism.
cromathor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:42:59 on August 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This mentality is pretty cynical. All developers have an obligation to their investors to show maximum profitability while also trying to make an enjoyable game and achieving their vision. There's no reason to treat game companies like they don't have obligations to make money, they are businesses after all.
Why do people label everything as greed nowadays? It's not like gaming is really expensive, we aren't racing yachts out here guys. It's like 15 bucks for the most expensive dlc. That's literally 1-2 uber rides.
snoblitz ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 08:45:24 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey Bill, can you please run for president?
Ivanstyg ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 09:26:58 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A large part of the appeal of Bill Gates is that we can project our own beliefs onto him. If he ran for President, that would no longer be possible.
poerisija ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 11:08:32 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
1 billionaire for president wasn't enough?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:53:19 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shut up, let him iron out the bugs, first.
[deleted] ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 09:30:51 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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snoblitz ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 09:33:19 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah because I'm sure that Bill has a lot to do with that content. /s ๐
zjaffee ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:50:18 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, he did pioneer the creation of MSNBC given that the MS stands for microsoft.
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 10:09:04 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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snoblitz ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 10:52:41 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)*
Wrong again.
Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MSNBC
Morphie12121 ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 08:59:49 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bill, can you get us Half-Life 3?
Roseveld ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 10:54:02 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gaben and Bill should come together and make sweet love.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:26:46 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Metallkiller ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:59 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Steam interested in Windows 10? Why not though, it's the first thing I install on any pc anyway.
randomfluffypup ยท 69 points ยท Posted at 08:29:16 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)*
Honestly, it's very hard to judge how much Bill Gates actually had to do with this decision, or that it just lined up with Microsoft's interest.
Microsoft wants people to start using the Windows 10 store, and it would make business sense to create a sort of "killer app" for it. In this case, Aoe4, and a remake of Aoe 1 - 3. They could possibly also be trying to to get a strong esports presence, and it would make sense to pick up Age of Empires as Aoe2 has had a strong competitive scene despite not having official support for 6 years (and having minimal support for longer).
Also I feel like by simplifying it to "Gates asked for it" you're minimizing the effort put in by the community, and the developers of Aoe2:HD. They showed that there's still interest in a Age of Empires game in 2017, and that it would still make business sense to create one.
Tldr; Gates might not be the (only) reason why this happened.
sseebbee ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 10:27:43 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)*
I hope they make it an old school RTS style like starcraft. Problem is, those games aren't really popular anymore in a competetive scene. Just look at starcraft, it has declined in the past 3-4 years where competitive gaming have gone up. A lot of speculations for this are because they are harder to just jump into and understand compared to MOBA and FPS.
I however would love for it to be competitive and old school. Just don't want people to get their hype up.
AlexisFR ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 11:01:59 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Competitive scene? Hell, there is not a single recent RTS still alive at all outside of SC2 and maybe Wargame in a way.
They all died months after release.
sseebbee ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 11:18:33 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
SC2 peaked in hearts of the swarm but started to decline after that. (towards the end of 2013 it started to decline and it was released in 2010). At least in western world, in korea it's still huge.
AlexisFR ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:28:39 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
By dying I meant there no more than 50 people "playing" it and there isn't any update because they didn't sold more than 100k copies.
sseebbee ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:37:38 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ohh sorry I missunderstood you, thought you meant that even SC2 and Wargame died after a few months.
But yeah reading your comment correct you are correct.
RavarSC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:03:01 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Esports wise SC2 definitely peaked in popularity during WoL
cdiddy2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:24:31 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
not true! AOE2 has had a healthy competitive scene restarting in around 2012 and is also in the top 50 most played on steam http://store.steampowered.com/stats/
Pete26196 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:37:56 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
On the competitive scene: https://aoc.voobly.com/display/aoc/RM+Tournaments+Since+1999
(Only has the more major / official tournaments as well)
randomfluffypup ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:45:22 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)*
Preach brother! I would love an old fashion competitive RTS. Are you into the Aoe2 competitive scene?
Although I don't think it's the complexity. I remember day 1 overwatch, when everyone was new to the game, people were telling blizzard "it's a great game, but can we get a setting to tone down the effects?" And a moba team fight is really hard to follow as a person new to the game, you gotta know what all these hero/champion/whatever are and what skills they do to even understand it.
Maybe we need a new, old fashioned rts to really revitalize the scene for it.
sseebbee ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:58:06 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sadly no, I'm to busy with RL and other games.
I read quite a bit of study on this actually and they spoke a lot of the difference being in SC2 for example, there is so much more going on with builds, different units and tactics that makes it hard to get into and follow properly.
In Overwatch and moba, the champions have a set amount of skills and are seen over and over and over again making it much easier to learn what they do. And in a clusterfuck fight you don't really need to know what is going on as long as you see who is dying. And in general everyone know 3>2 in a fight so it's easier to make your own conclusions on how things are going to play out. While in SC2, one army can have twice the size but still get smashed and that is what makes it so confusing.
Can't find it sadly but it has to do something with how humans think and obtain information that makes those easier to follow.
seanmg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:59:15 on August 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To call a MOBA a game you can just jump into and understand is about as far from the truth as you can get.
sseebbee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:06:09 on August 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Indeed, I meant harder not hard. Fixed it, thanks. The point though was if you compare the skill floor for SC and League or Dota, they are quite huge. If you watch a few moba games you can get into it with a very basic understanding of how to play and win. However I have seen people watch SC2, play it and have absolutely no idea wtf is going on.
And being able to play the game you are watching is contributing a huge part to that scene. So now when SC have become "starcrafted" (low playerbase with pretty much anyone who plays it knows what they are doing) have killed the western scene.
seanmg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:27:50 on August 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I get the point you're making, but I don't know if I'd agree. That being said, I could have a bias. I've been involved with the pro SC2, and dota scenes. I ran some leagues and tournaments for both starcraft and Dota2 a few years back. MOBA's are the hardest games to watch and understand. Starcraft isn't horrible as long as you aren't trying to follow a player.
sseebbee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:37:09 on August 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I used to play both games quite serious (without aim for pro). I started both from watching and then starting to play. In SC2 sure it can be easy if you just see A is using X unit and is killing B that has Y units. But then if you would try to mimic it, it's close to impossible. Everyone I ever played SC with ha to study the game outside, learn builds, timings, unit comp ect.
In Dota I watched it, got the general understanding of how the game works, lane, farm, push, do objectives. How to execute was just play and learn by doing. Builds I could do a quick lookup and just get a generalisation of about what to get and adapt to what they have. And same things are in LoL as well, I still play it with friends who are all self taught in it, but never experienced the same way with SC2.
And just to stay a tad on topic, being able to play what you are watching are a huge part of esport. I honestly doubt it would be close as big as it is, if you weren't able to play it. Same way with sports, majority of people played some sport when they were younger, and the people who didn't do it as much don't have the same interest in it.
hyperblaster ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:18:10 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They already tried a few years ago and failed horribly. Remember Gaming for Windows Live? They even gave away copies of AoE3 when it was relatively new just to get people to use their store.
RiffyDivine2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:05:03 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AoE3 wasn't locked to windows 10, this one is. So you will have to use the windows store and have to be on 10 to play it.
I_chose_a_nickname ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:46:18 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's so fucking shitty, restricting it to one OS version. I guess it's an exclusive within an exclusive. Fuck them.
RiffyDivine2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:27:13 on August 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well they are going to use the new MS file format thing so it will only run on 10. But it's mostly just to push their store and OS more like they did with dead rising 4 being locked to windows 10 for a few months.
MaugDaug ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 08:29:30 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So uh... how about a new Red Alert?
niuguy ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 12:14:18 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dammit, now Death March is in my head.
omyn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:31:09 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How about a new good red alert?
RiffyDivine2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:00:15 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought EA bought all of westwoods titles?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:43:08 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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RiffyDivine2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:06:19 on August 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then it's very very unlikely you will see another one. Lately all the IP's they bought up just come back as shitty web or cell phone games. I mean just look what they did to poor dungeon keeper.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:39:07 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If they released any of the classics (Command & Conquer, Tiberian Sun, Red Alert 1/2) on iOS without any micro transaction shit I would be very very happy.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:39:07 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If they released any of the classics (Command & Conquer, Tiberian Sun, Red Alert 1/2) on iOS without any micro transaction shit I would be very very happy.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:54:06 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was going to ask for half life 3, but that'll do, too.
[deleted] ยท 57 points ยท Posted at 07:59:17 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)*
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WhyWouldYouPoopThere ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:11:02 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Windows 10 + Windows store exclusive doesn't exactly scream big bucks though. "Only" roughly 50% of all PC gamers use Windows 10 and the PC market is owned by Steam. You're right though of course.
Aenna ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 10:15:51 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean no reason it can't be both man..
Seytoux ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 06:08:11 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
New Fable series coff coff
Perryn ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 06:12:43 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You'd give Molyneux another shot?
Seytoux ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 06:16:32 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you are referring to F3, I would back trace a little and continue in the direction the first two were going. I didn't finish the third but I didn't love it (play up to I think the first quarter), but it's an amazing game, lots of rpg elements in there, interaction with the npcs and world manipulation, great lore and weirdness. That's IMO, i remember having a great time as a kid, what do you think?
LandenP ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 06:49:10 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I remember playing the living shit out of the first one. It wasn't even a particularly deep RPG but I loved the cartoony silliness of it all. Combat was satisfying as well.
cg001 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:44:58 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This made me want to go back and play fable 1. So fable 2 and 3 are backwards compatible on Xbox one but not fable 1 or even fable anniversary. Shit sucks.
LandenP ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:49:35 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I still have my old Xbox and game and while it's been awhile since I booted it up, it should still work :P
cg001 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:52:38 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I traded in my 360 for a one. ๐ข
iNEEDheplreddit ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:17:57 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fable had some unique touches. I particularly liked the avatar interaction with other online players. Really useful for finding those damn goblins. The voice acting was good. Adrian the Whore will always be in my heart.
tooyoung_tooold ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 12:52:24 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fable 2 was amazing. Fable 3 was good. I never got all the fable 3 hate. I completely agree the last 1/3 of the story line feels completly rushed, like it just jumps you from scene to scene. But overall I enjoyed it. I think the hate came from people that played the main quest pine only and then felt ripped off when the last 1/3 of the story just was shoved into 10 minutes. For me I spent hours and hours dicking around and doing everything I possibly wanted before continuing (it literally tells you you can't go back after a certain part) so when I went into the final part I had all the gold and everything I needed. Overall I thought it was a good game. Although it had been a long time, might have forgotten some details.
only_void ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:33:07 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd prefer they at least skipped out on the infinite mana of F2. Half the combat I can remember was spell spam just because it was so effective, never had the urge to approach a fight any diffetently.
Perryn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:10:42 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)*
My issue is that what I was told it would be was an open world Elder Scrolls type game with persistent time dependant changes. What I got was connect-the-dots maps and changes that were just sliders with little consequence. I'm not saying I was incapable of enjoying it, only that I would probably enjoy Molyneux's work more if he were kept muzzled and we only heard about features actually included in the final product. That would also let him try to focus on what he can actually put into the game instead of trying to keep up with his unfiltered imagination-mouth connection and then getting bored and moving on.
He has a great mind, but that mind needs a minder.
Randomosaur ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:13:13 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want him to collaborate with Sean Murray.
WhyWouldYouPoopThere ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:13:38 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck all the haters, the dude make Dungeon Keeper 1, aka the best PC game ever made. I'll always love him for that, doesn't matter if he makes one shitty unfinished game after another.
__Hello_my_name_is__ ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 10:14:39 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously? You guys think that comment had anything whatsoever to do with the development of the game? Jesus Christ..
That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works..
Gates just made a vague, positive comment. There's nothing more to it.
BoogKnight ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:30:33 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He even said elsewhere in the thread that he was sorry he cant do it
Narradisall ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:28:18 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"That's not how the force works!"
tenfootgiant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:12:05 on August 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's still pretty funny and unique. Kinda like a wish it were true scenario.
emken ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 08:12:57 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Brings back memories of going with Goths and then churning out Huskarl infantry like a motherfucker.
AtlanticRiceTunnel ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 08:22:44 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is such a stretch. It was probably in the works before this comment.
jasonc24 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 09:24:26 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We did it, Reddit! Next step: Left 4 Dead 3.
DinduMuffins69 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 07:37:04 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bill make Halo great again pls.
ForeverBend ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 08:27:16 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can only shine a turd so many times.
Specially one that contributed a great deal to the decline of the quality of online gaming as a whole through the popularization of automated matchmaking and MMR-type ratings in multiplayer team games.
Takuya-san ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 08:51:42 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This sounds pretty /r/iamverysmart tbh. I don't know how you can claim online gaming was somehow better before these things. Before matchmaking online games were wildly unbalanced and it was typically just one or two people stomping the others. The only half decent experience was if you were really good and joined specific groups where really good players played on specific servers. High quality experience my ass.
ForeverBend ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:03:33 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)*
A simple criticism of the inaccuracy of individual MMR ratings in team based games sounds too smart for you?
Maybe that only highlights my point further... The fact that you, and these voters, don't understand the simple aspects of algebra to the point where you see nothing wrong with this is a shining example of why they get away with it and why it has made the quality of online gaming worse.
It's a matter of Degree of Freedom Analysis and no amount of your feelings will change the fact that current implementations of MMR using Win Rate alone on a team based games with changing players, objectively fails that and is therefore mathematically incapable of achieving the goals it claims.
This isn't really something you can argue against with your feelings. And I apologize if all of this sounds too "verysmart" for you. Or if I come off as abrasive, but I have been through these hoops before and I am past the point of frustration.
Maybe next time you should take some more effort to consider that some things that sounds 'smarter' than what you understand, are just that. And your wild claims of unbalanced games by comparison, are objectively shown to not only be incorrect but clearly pulled out of your ass, because no balance has actually improved.
You mean when you actually played with people closer to your skill level? And you could vote kick people you didn't want to play with? And you weren't forced into playing with trolls?
You want to know how I can claim online gaming was better in those days? Because I was actually there.
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speaklouderpls ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:15:56 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea I had the same question... This is the best I found. From 2 months ago though.
https://np.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/5whpqs/im_bill_gates_cochair_of_the_bill_melinda_gates/div4w6h/?context=3
zxcsd ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:44:05 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks. Found that too by searching bill's username, just so frustrating not understanding what this hugely upvoted thread is on about and thinking I missed something.
speaklouderpls ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:14:15 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same - not sure why no one posted it/why it's surfacing 2 months later.
HaikusfromBuddha ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:38:34 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Age of Empires 4 was announced a few days ago. People are speculating Bill had input to its revival or knew about it.
Stormcrownn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:29:48 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bill Gates doesn't directly work with anything at Microsoft anymore.
He absolutely could've sent a few emails to executives or managers to explore how reasonable it is or why they abandoned the series.
That being said, I doubt they've only been working on it for a year.
Hemingwavy ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 06:39:27 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow. It make shock you to learn he hasn't worked at Microsoft for almost a decade.
anonyzum ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:33:14 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, nobody wants to hear that.
DaveDashFTW ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 09:17:18 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except being on the board of directors and having an official technology advisor role at Microsoft, yeah.
jjonj ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 08:43:19 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He still owns a very large part of the company and I have no doubt he could invite the head of games at microsoft to a dinner and give him a nudge.
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jjonj ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:55:11 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly belive that Bill Gates inquiring about the game was the snowflake that started the already somewhat unstable avalanche
hyperblaster ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:30:28 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
More likely he didn't have to do anything at all. Senior management at Microsoft read his AMA thread and wondered, "Why aren't we doing an AoE sequel anyway?".
iain_1986 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:35:01 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
...That almost certainly didn't happen either.
Source - Have worked in several games studios. Games are not greenlit because of bloody Reddit threads. For this to be announced now too means it almost certainly has been more than 1 year in production and pre-production. I say almost because I don't know for sure...its pretty much guaranteed to have been in development longer than a year.
Hemingwavy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:10 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They looked at the sales figures from AoEIIHD and went that made a ton of money. Let's make a new one.
Hemingwavy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:19:21 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's trying to cure malaria in Africa. You honestly believe he's going to take time out for a game that honestly was just pretty good for the time it was made in it?
jjonj ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 10:57:56 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe he might take the time to meet up with an old friend at Microsoft that he wanted to get in touch with anyway or similarly
caitsith01 ยท 160 points ยท Posted at 07:07:28 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Person asks for something that is obviously going to happen at some point... thing happens... someone claims that this is because of the request and not because it was obviously going to happen at some point.
Ishouldbepolite ยท 216 points ยท Posted at 07:35:03 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So "obviously" going to happen that it's was 11 years sinds AoE 3 without any indication 4 was coming.
I am not saying his comment had anything to do with it, but "obviously going to happen" is obviously bullshit.
ovoon ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 07:45:41 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
While it's definitely not "obvious", the huge success of Age 2 remastered, Age of Mythology remastered, and now the hype behind Age 1 makes it clear that this is a big property that Microsoft is just sitting on.
It would make more sense for us to get it now that people are starved for it, as opposed to the lack of buzz after Age 3 bombed, or the Age of Empires Online mess.
1MechanicalAlligator ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 09:06:57 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)*
Yes, but by that logic we should've gotten Half Life 3 years and years ago.
And AoE 3 didn't bomb--not by a long shot. It sold very well for years and got mostly great reviews.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_Empires_III#Reception
This is one of the many instances of "hardcore fan" nonsense about a game bombing because it wasn't exactly like the old games that they grew up loving. Any hint of change become "omg they ruuuined it!"
Just like all the "fans" who still insist Final Fantasy 12 was terrible and ruined the series, when the reality is it was one of the best received games of the franchise and its legacy has only grown in the years since.
SeriouslyWhenIsHL3 ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 09:07:35 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
By mentioning Half-Life 3 you have delayed it by 1 Month. Half-Life 3 is now estimated for release in Jul 2030.
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1MechanicalAlligator ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 09:09:03 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah man, I've been waiting really patiently for Half Life 3. I hope they release Half Life 3 soon.
SeriouslyWhenIsHL3 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 09:09:28 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
By mentioning Half-Life 3 you have delayed it by 1 Month. Half-Life 3 is now estimated for release in Sep 2030.
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pa79 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 09:18:03 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder if the delay is per post mentioning Half-Life 3 or everytime I write Half-Life 3.
1MechanicalAlligator ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:26:46 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It delayed it twice in my second post mentioning Half Life 3 because I mentioned Half Life 3 twice. All this waiting around for Half Life 3 is getting really depressing.
SeriouslyWhenIsHL3 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:27:20 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
By mentioning Half-Life 3 you have delayed it by 1 Month. Half-Life 3 is now estimated for release in Mar 2031.
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xNiKoNx ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:39:14 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I actually still play FF12.
jdepps113 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:05:37 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Age 3 was a great game. Who didn't like it? It was very true to the series, IMO.
Pete26196 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:42:27 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It changed so many core mechanics, biggest offenders being seriously dumbing down the economy and the home city/shipment mechanic which doesn't feel like it should be a part of an RTS game.
They changed too much in trying to make it new and exciting while also trying to keep it under the AoE franchise.
jdepps113 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:08:26 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In which ways did it dumb down the economy?
It's strange because while I didn't feel this way about AoE3, I totally felt a similar way about Civ V. So I really do get it.
Pete26196 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:28:29 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No drop off points, infinite farms/plantations provide infinite gold. All this reduces the importance of map control, late game you don't need to worry about finding safe wood to sustain farm eco.
Also if you do get pushed off of any resources at any point it's not as big of a deal because you aren't investing in any buildings to collect, you can simply move vills and start working again whereas in aoe1/2 if you get denied wood early and don't have the wood to build a new camp it really hurts you and rewards the opponent for strong offensive play.
Shipments of resources that you can spirit into the game and collect quickly further reduces the possibility of denying, and just increases the pace of the game arbitrarily in any case.
Restricting the number of town centres you're allowed to build just reduces the macro level for no reason at all. Similar with restricting where/how you can build for no reason, forwards are a big thing in aoe2 and in 3 you're just not allowed to do it....
ovoon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:49:07 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was a very controversial entry in the series. I played the series growing up with a bunch of friends, and we were all die hard fans until AoE3 came out. I've never met anyone in person who liked that game. The home base system really screwed all competitive balance in the game.
From what I recall hearing, Ensemble Studios said the game was originally meant to be a new IP, but Microsoft forced them to make it Age of Empires. Even the devs weren't quite happy with it.
That being said, even the people unhappy with it wouldn't necessarily call it a "bad" game. It was just a game that didn't live up to its expectations, nor is it still popular like AoE2 and Mythology are.
jdepps113 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:24:40 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I played all the Age games from when they came out too. I loved the home base shipments, thought AoE3 was the best of the series, played somewhat competitively online for a couple years...
I guess I just don't get it. I mean I get it, but I just can't relate to not liking that aspect. It added a whole extra realm of strategy to the game.
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ovoon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:44:43 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Age of Empires 1 remastered
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:04:53 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
After 3 there was online, then 2HD and recently announced 1HD, 4 was definitely going to happen.
lecollectionneur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:55:26 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was very obviously going to happen indeed at some point. In fact I'm pretty sure at that point AoE 4 was already in the works, maybe in a very early stage though.
You think Microsoft was just going to sit on the franchise forever ?
Ishouldbepolite ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:38:06 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)*
Why not? it's pretty common for franchises to go away over time.
In my opinion nothing is obvious after already sitting on it for 11 years. It's like a coma. The longer it takes to come back the less likely it is going to happen.
And 11 years is a hella long time.
Can you explain why it was so obviously coming back "at some point" outside "just because"? Because after 11 years waiting it certainly is not industry standard.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 09:05:14 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Back then it was like asking GabeN about HL3.
SeriouslyWhenIsHL3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:05:51 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
By mentioning Half-Life 3 you have delayed it by 1 Month. Half-Life 3 is now estimated for release in May 2030.
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ArtofAngels ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:42:37 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If Half Life 3 ever happens Reddit will claim it's because of a comment someone left somewhere once.
SeriouslyWhenIsHL3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:43:27 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
By mentioning Half-Life 3 you have delayed it by 1 Month. Half-Life 3 is now estimated for release in Sep 2032.
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Boo-_-Berry ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 11:00:46 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This whole post is hindsight bias. Feel like I'm taking crazy pills with all these idiots believing Bill Gates actually did anything. Lots of naive children on Reddit I guess.
Bruce_Wang ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 12:00:40 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude Age of Empires 3 came out 1 year after Half-Life 2. Is it obvious to you that Half-Life 3 will be announced this year? Hell even ever? You let a series collect dust for over 10 years and people start to get the idea that it's abandoned. There was nothing obvious about Age of Empires IV being announced.
SeriouslyWhenIsHL3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:01:30 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
By mentioning Half-Life 3 you have delayed it by 1 Month. Half-Life 3 is now estimated for release in Jan 2034.
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dantemp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:10:25 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yeah, obviously, just like HL3, right?
Gbiknel ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:28:39 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ITT: People arguing if Bill had anything to do with it...here's what likely really happened:
What we know:
Atroxa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:17:41 on August 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)*
This is true. But for those of us who have played all the AOE games, this is amazing news. I don't care if I need to wait two years. I want it.
EDIT: also not a millenial. I'm a GenX'er. I'm guessing most of the fanbase is.
Gbiknel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:20:13 on August 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed...I still choose AoE II HD Over many new games. It's still fun 20 years later
cragcrag ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 07:29:08 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey Bill my man, how about a new Freelancer game? That was Microsoft Studios, wasn't it?
One of the best space exploration/fighter games ever.
CMDR_Agony_Aunt ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 08:35:54 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You might want to look into Star Citizen/Squadron 42.... although its possible you will die of old age before its released.
AxeellYoung ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:13:49 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Look man, we have all been there. Finished freelancer, modded the crap out of it. And then tried to move on. Every similar game I played after an hour of playing the conclusion was: It's not freelancer.
hyperblaster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:26:18 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's like telling someone hankering for a McRib that any decent steakhouse serves pork ribs.
McRibs ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:43:45 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is no substitution for the real thing. Period.
TommyDeafEars ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:39:30 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, look up Star Citizen. It's made by the same people behind Freelancer.
CMDR_Agony_Aunt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:34:10 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Microsoft made Freelancer, and they are not involved in this.
1rv ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:35:22 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Freelancer is one of my happiest gaming memories - an incredible amount of atmosphere packed into it and the graphics were beautiful for the time.
Some of the random missions got very samey unfortunately (go here, shoot this guy, get stuff), but the main storyline was epic.
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walkingtheriver ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 11:57:02 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I'm confused. I went into his profile too, his last post is a month old..?
jjonj ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 08:44:16 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's no proof but the most likely reason is still a nudge from gates considering the timing.
bristollad ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:27:25 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh fuck of you naive little snowflake, this was NOTHING to do with that comment.
three_square ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:36:19 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey cool, a new graphics engine for PBS Nova to make battle scenes!
parsleythelion4 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:09:34 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes! My whole childhood was wasted on aoe. Now I can waste adulthood on it too!
C0rn3j ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:36:00 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yay, a Microsoft Studios game. I'm certain it won't be Windows only, and DX12, so Windows 10 only.
Boo.
RiffyDivine2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:57:06 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup windows 10 only. Shame I would have liked to have played it.
Prixm ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:10:43 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I doubt that is what made them decide to make a ner game though ๐
Vipitis ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:09:52 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Age of empires 4 before half life 3..... Greta
SeriouslyWhenIsHL3 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 11:10:46 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
By mentioning Half-Life 3 you have delayed it by 1 Month. Half-Life 3 is now estimated for release in Apr 2033.
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Kakarot_faps ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:05:23 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But there was always supposed to be an aoe4, it's shown to be 5 parts total - half life was never designated as a trilogy
boodo330 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:54:25 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let's get Bill Gates in Valve now
DonutsMcKenzie ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:20:18 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reddit fucked up... Should have asked for a new Age of Mythology game!!!
macbookpooooo ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:30:44 on August 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We're getting backwards compatibility....so at least a bajillion more zeppelins.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 09:20:29 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 12:03:53 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The extent of Bill's involvement:
FabianFromNYC ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:58:14 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I remember first playing this franchise in a DS, how I felt in love with the concept. Looking forward to seeing gameplay!
hamfoundinanus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:09:39 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm still pissed about the corn. I know it should be a little thing, but it's like Spielberg and the CGI walkie-talkies in E.T.
I honestly would have forgotten about if it wasn't executed so damn poorly. Meat was red, and it was easy to see how much food you had at a very quick glance.
But the corn is the same damn color temperature as the icons surrounding it. At least put some green on it ffs! Wood, food, and gold all look the same now.
brokenbutswole ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:31:39 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey Bill, how about give us what everyone wants, but is too afraid to say?
Give us Blinx 3.
topredditbot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:31:48 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey /u/Max_01,
This is now the top post on reddit. It will be recorded at /r/topofreddit with all the other top posts.
Scellow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:40:32 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Too bad it is Windows Store only, it'll be a commercial flop..
Crustyzz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:44:36 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)*
Actually the second answer was prior to the announcement of AoE4. There is a second thread where AoE definitive edition is announced and he mentions the redditor in question... I don't know where the thread is, but I'll find out
Edit - I'm on mobile and don't remember the format rules, so here it goes https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/5whpqs/comment/dea3utx?st=J6Q9L340&sh=121f44e6
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RiffyDivine2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:56:19 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not gonna happen sadly, I believe the studio is also closed who did it for them.
KittenWithMittens ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:48:21 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure why this wasn't bigger news 2 months ago when he actually mentioned it on reddit, even referencing the original guy who asked about it.
phenli ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:52:36 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can Bill Gates help me find motivation to go back to school
MrSouthWest ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:55:00 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If anyone is interested in picking up the series again http://reddit.com/r/aoe3 is a good (albeit a little inactive) reddit place to start.
Also the most popular site is http://eso-community.net/
Rmccar21 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:27:22 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's the thing isn't it. We have a dream and no money and make excuses why it can't be done. Then when we get money we're too busy to carry out that dream. Bill Gates has carried out his dream and as a philanthropist continues to help others achieve theirs even if it's through a computer game.
TLDR: be more like Bill Gates.
m703324 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:32:33 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I asked Santa for winter to end at some point and it did!
rad0909 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:42:29 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ugh I really hope they are going to take it seriously for the hardcore RTS/AOE fans. That age of empires live/clash of clans bullshit they came out with a few years back was such an insult to the franchise.
repostuje ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:49:47 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)*
How did the commenter edit a year old comment?
edit: I've just checked - you can edit archived comments.
smoike ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:04:13 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You cannot post new comments in old threads, you can edit content in posts you've already made.
JJisTheDarkOne ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:59:01 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder if we can get Bill to lean on Gabe and get Half-Life 3 made.
SeriouslyWhenIsHL3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:59:28 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
By mentioning Half-Life 3 you have delayed it by 1 Month. Half-Life 3 is now estimated for release in Jan 2033.
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jimicus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:02:33 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, bot, you've either got a bug or someone reset you. A couple of days ago the release date was in the year 3518.
https://np.reddit.com/r/totalwar/comments/6v0qnn/this_is_the_13th_time_someone_has_mentioned/dlx06h7/
Bruben32 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:31:26 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He should have asked for D4 season 2!!!!!
dragon_vimes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:45:18 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was surprised. Must have had a Follower of Kiora already out or an uptap instant/sorcery up his sleave since gates enter the battlefield tapped.
ForgingFakes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:47:03 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The conquistadors messed up my middle school years.
I spent so much time trying to raise my rankings on the zone. The conquistadors, the Koreans, the smush... God I loved that game.
Mirai182 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:13:19 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is so awesome honestly. I wish they never closed the Aces Game Studio. So much for MS Flight Simulator and others.
lunacyfoundme ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:17:18 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He should now be known as the Delivery Gates.
NotARobotv2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:34:30 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
IIRC he was talking about the HD re-release at the time...
Cagi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:37:20 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If it was just announced this year it has probably already been in development for several years.
Crimfresh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:54:25 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you have to buy it through the Windows store? I can't stand the store. Even worse is having to use the Xbox app to play with friends and also having to enable apps notifications to even receive a party invite.
Wish they would use Steam or something better. Windows Store is a horrible user experience IMO.
tytbalt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:42:06 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD serious fangirling because this shit is what got me into gaming as a child
ElectronicDrug ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:44:31 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here's his comment 2 months ago
https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/5whpqs/im_bill_gates_cochair_of_the_bill_melinda_gates/div4w6h
fuckjayce ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:07:52 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
bill gates can you cure my depression
JerryAwesome ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:52:37 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll ask him for a proper Final Fantasy Tactics sequel.
Khronosian ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:06:58 on August 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
RemindMe! 1 year
Ask Bill Gates for a loan next AMA
zaphodava ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:49:17 on August 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Between this and the Gates foundation, I feel like I owe him an apology for using the Time cover with him and Bono on it as a dartboard.
RaoulDuke209 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:10:13 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bill Gates finally backed in one of my favorite companies, Memphis Meats, great sign for the future!
ajac09 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:44:20 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He isnt responsible for it.. probably been in the making for more then a year..
Novocaine0 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:06:56 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I fucking love it when OP delivers
Fabtech ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:12:54 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
was hyped untill it said windows 10 exclusive, foh
RiffyDivine2 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:46:57 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same here but not surprising, they will likely bank on it being a good use of there new file system bullshit that no one is really using.
t0mbstone ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:14:03 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Age of empires is a very valuable franchise. Microsoft would be idiots not to cash in on releasing another version. It was just unclaimed money on the table. It was pretty much inevitable, regardless of AMA threads with Bill Gates.
Just like Microsoft Flight Sim...
OctopusPirate ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:09:17 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to believe that Bill made this happen.
uhhhh_no ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:55:36 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course he did.
The questioner, otoh, was a Microsoft plant doing some viral marketing for a project that was obviously already underway. With only a year of development, this was either already in the works or going to be buggy af coming out.
brosenfeld ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:55:04 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stop jumping on the hype train. Don't celebrate, yet. AoE3 sucked.
bokan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:57:52 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My perception of Bill Gates has changed so much since the 90s. He used to be emblematic of exploitative capitalism and unnecessary wealth, but over time he's become this awesome philanthropist and overall cool guy. It's really a wild 180.
tnn21 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:08:27 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Misleading title. Nowhere did Bill Gates announce Age of Empires 4. Here's the announcement trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYwZ6GZXWhA Where's Bill Gates?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:14:49 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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๐๏ธ Max_01 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:17:44 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ask u/thisisbillgates not me! :)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:21:36 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yo Williams, can you make a Scorched Earth sequel?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:26:11 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah !! Bill is the new Santa
tvfilm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:27:06 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can we get another Microsoft Flight Simulator? Thanks Billy G.
twonkydo0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:30:20 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice, loved age of empires back in the day.
dasdkasodskdodod ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:33:18 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
they cant make a game in under a year. just a coincidence .
Woozah77 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:37:55 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like microsoft already listened in and knew your opinion on this.
MisterMN ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:53:33 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Player since the original here, like many of you!
Im so damn excited!
El_Dumfuco ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:54:49 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So they're already developing Age of Empires 24... time flies.
celsotavora ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:20:28 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wish they made a new Monster Truck Madness. Loved that game!
NostalgiaSchmaltz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:25:57 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's nice and all, but...Age of Empires Definitive Edition beta when?
BnL4L ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:33:29 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So we just forget the whole work visas thing
Bobinct ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:33:49 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Think he could do the same thing for Crimson Skies?
RiffyDivine2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:46:03 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, I don't believe MS owns the licences on that one. It did get made into a miniclicks game but didn't do well. Sadly crimson skies will likely never return to the PC and we will never know the joy of jumping from one aircraft to another to punch the pilot out and steal his aircraft.
Bobinct ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:52:41 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sky pirates in zeppelins, in an alternative 1930's world. Is it too much to ask?
RiffyDivine2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:26:00 on August 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm right there with you, I own the books and old table top stuff from it. I want to see that IP come back in a big way, always hoped for a movie or something. Hell at this point just make it an MMO game like warthunder and have people join the different groups for jobs.
svayam--bhagavan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:06:19 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As spirit of the law recently reviewed the trailer, it looks like it is a complete departure from the earlier games. And the company developing it has made space oriented games. I hope this game doesn't suck.
PlexasAideron ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:39:23 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its being made by Relic right? Same devs that made Homeworld, Company of Heroes and the DoW games iirc.
There is hope.
RiffyDivine2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:43:42 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Relic isn't the relic you once knew. Most of the people who did those games have left if not all of them.
PlexasAideron ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:46:07 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fair enough i guess. I'm not exactly hyped or anything anyway, just hopeful they dont fuck it up.
RiffyDivine2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:25:17 on August 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Look at the last dawn of war game I'd set expectations low.
svayam--bhagavan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:26:41 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nope. They are more into futuristic hi tech space age shitz. AoE is medieval at best. AoE 3 was a shit show because they tried to modernize their basic idea. I hope there is someone with some brains on the team and doesn't go into the nuclear age or something.
OFTHEHILLPEOPLE ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:07:34 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Beautiful, big tittied women don't just fall out of the sky, you know!
GlassedSilver ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:45:29 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This made me decide that I'll check out their booth at Gamescom.
I love a good backstory.
Speaking of an old man working on getting a long-loved franchise back in town, check out Shenmue 3's little meet and greet booth near Sega's booth at Gamescom (but actually hosted by Koch Media LUL)
It's amazing to finally have a chance to meet Yu and talk to him.
Very humble and kind man.
MTA__ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:45:31 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We want aoe1 cho wars mode 200 pop
xAIRGUITARISTx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:51:01 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This happened like 6 months ago and was on best of.
mhpr262 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:03:44 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wish they would make a new version of "Hellbender", that shooter game that had a trial version on the "Windows 95" CD. Still a really cool game that I like to play.
ProudTurtle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:12:35 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope they hired him as the AOE CEO. That kind of forward thinking is what Microsoft needs.
timeshifter_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:15:26 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hate to pop the bubble, but Age of Empires was always meant to be a 5-game series.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:18:04 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reddit, let's ask him for Half-life 3!
PandaLover42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:27:41 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ITT: "Bill Gates, give me money. Also fuck people that gave you gold."
beendoingit7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:29:02 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can he make a NCAA Football 18?! Pretty please
varkarrus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:31:03 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Should have asked for a new Age of Mythology...
Jim777PS3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:34:52 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't want it be that guy but...
Games of that calibur take mote then 1 year. It was already in development when the guy asked.
PitYaker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:41:43 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is beautiful.
What a time to be alive.
burkjavier ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:48:47 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
New Zune please, Mr. Gates.
"GOTG" edition, with Bluetooth and a new Zune Music software app that replaces Groove.
Thanks in advance.
maninbonita ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:53:24 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who on earth would give gold to the worlds richest man?!
star1252 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:56:04 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hi...Does Microsoft Edge work on android. If not android, then internet explorer works on Android. I'm currently using chrome for android
Drezzzire ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:07:11 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This shit right here is why Bill is respected by all.
Normally the richest person in the world would be an asshole. Most people wouldn't like that person and would be envious as shit.
But Bill is beloved and applauded for both his accomplishments and his character.
An amazing human being indeed!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:08:35 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There I no way he asked them to start development on age of empires 4 and also no way it was developed in a year..come on reddit with this bullshit
Avarice21 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:08:55 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just hope this one doesn't suck as much as 3.
Moltencleavag ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:16:55 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Umm as someone who lives in the city it is made, the game was on development before then
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:33:01 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just don't understand what AOE4 has to offer us, that AOE2 in HD did not. Maybe I'm easily amused.
calgary_katan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:36:35 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dear Bill Gates,
Can you deliver us Half-Life 3?
SeriouslyWhenIsHL3 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:37:12 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
By mentioning Half-Life 3 you have delayed it by 1 Month. Half-Life 3 is now estimated for release in Sep 2036.
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jfreez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:49:11 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wololo.
But this is really just a polishing up of the old game. Not a new game.
ShaidarHaran2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:50:32 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good kid, that Bill turned out to be.
If I was a billionaire philanthropist I'd hope I invested this much time into becoming a reddit celebrity as well.
jewpanda ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:57:43 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy mother of God. I haven't been this excited since...
shadowman2099 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:10 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow. For the longest time, I've been calling this series "Ages of Empires".
sevargmas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:58 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
EVERY Bill Gates AMA has had this request.
unbannabledan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:25 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like we are all pretty cool with Microsoft promoting their products this way. Suspect!!!
L0rdFrieza ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:50 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh boy, what a surprise. The probable enevetability that a fortune 500 company will repeat what has in the past that made it good Money. Bravo, I'm glad to see people are surprised by this.
Uhmurecuh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:28:28 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Please for the love of everything sacred dont let this "AoE 4" really end up being the complete AoE series remastered they announced during E3. Nobody wants that. We already have AoE 2 HD, AoE 3 still plays fine. And pretty much nobody cares about original AoE anymore. I want something brand new and spectacular that plays similar to AoE 2.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:31:36 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh good lord you are all insufferable. They didn't make a new AoE because someone on reddit asked.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:34:02 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey Bill, can you make the Halo games good again?
boot2skull ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:35:06 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Make Microsoft Great Again
McBpt_1608 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:58:13 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Correlation does not equal causation?
ruler710 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:44 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yknow this was probably in the works before. I wouldn't be surprised of he actually looked tho. If i was in his shoes I'd be curious about what my company was up too in terms of ideas like videogames or tech.
Dunder_Chingis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:31:32 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but it's being made by the guys who fucked up Dawn of War and turned it into a MOBA except more annoying because you have to manually build the garbage creeps.
angelmtz8a ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:48:39 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bill Gates please make RARE great again!! Sincerely a fan...
jdepps113 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:58:11 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why tf did it take a decade and asking Bill directly?
kootenaicooter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:00:44 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dai Senryaku VII: Modern Military Tactics is my go to strategy game. The PS2 version is the best.
D-Shap ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:19:54 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bill gates can u make half-life 3 please
chrispy_bacon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:50:26 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I fail to see Bill Gates delivering.
MrDoubleE ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:52:25 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe they were already working on it and the redditor just happened to ask for it...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:52:50 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If this is the reason, I'm so happy. Happy either way, but what a great story!
SillyMikey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:19:43 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd love to have that kind of power
HerLegz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:19:17 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bill, sweet heart, move us into a resource economy already? Mmkay?
magnora7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:49:56 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reddit worships billionaires as long as they make pretty games. OK
Parade_Charade- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:44:53 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is there actually any evidence that Bill gates had anything to do with this or is this just the biggest shit post in r/bestof history
ILikeChillyNights ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:55:34 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if the original suggestion was from an internal source to generate "public" demand.
prettyunicornpeni ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:22:52 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ay Bill, anything you can do about Half Life 3?
fisian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:26:08 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Guess the time for an AMA with Valve is long overdue then.
JarJar-PhantomMenace ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:22:33 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bill Gates created age of empires? Never would have thought some billionaire old man I occasionally hear about made such an awesome series.
RiffyDivine2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:57:53 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
His company did, he did not.
capseaslug ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:31:31 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This seems like corporate propaganda if I have ever seen it. Like wtf?
anothertrad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:35:02 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It has been under planning and development for years, stop pretending you are stupid
mishefe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:10:16 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can Bill Gates give me a rig and VR gear? At this rate I'll be dead before I can afford either, let alone both.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:52:56 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It definitely doesn't take a year to make a game like that. It was in the works several years prior to that thread guaranteed.
aprofondir ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:57:50 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He didn't announce it, he has almost nothing to do with Microsoft lately and even less so with Microsoft Studios
RiffyDivine2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:42:30 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shame it's locked to windows 10.
Sardonnicus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:05:09 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How can you even be sure that those 2 events are related? That's like me saying that the eclipse happened because I wore my lucky blue shirt on Monday.
XXX-XXX-XXX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:17:18 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I doubt the ama had anything to do with the development. Seeing how games like this take well over five years to make.
DrMantisTobogan9784 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:43:53 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hate to break it you, but the game was probably already in the works. A stupid Reddit question didn't effect this. AMA s are just marketing stunts anyway.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:39:37 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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rylo151 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:53:01 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its right there in display settings, the first option after screen brightness is "change the size of text, apps and other items" it couldnt be much easier to find and use from the couch.
Parade_Charade- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:46:22 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My god, I swear the people who have problems with windows 10 don't realize 90% of all IT problems can be solved by simply googling them
PurplePickel ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 07:38:55 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
News has been out for several days now, but sure, why not follow the links you've seen multiple times now and karmawhore it into r/bestof? ยฏ\_(ใ)_/ยฏ
๐๏ธ Max_01 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 07:39:57 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hi there,
Just FYI I posted this the day it came out but it didn't send and was stuck on 'Post failed. Tap to retry'... which I only saw today. Hence the post.
Bye.
PurplePickel ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 07:58:44 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Whatever you say OP, enjoy that sweet sweet karma.
๐๏ธ Max_01 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:49:49 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
K thanks I will <3
Do you want some fries with your salt or r u good?
PurplePickel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:06:27 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well if you're offering to buy me some fries then how can I even stay mad ๐ Just make sure they're nice ones though, don't you go cheaping out on me with those skinny-ass ones that Mcdonald's pedals out to their customers <3
๐๏ธ Max_01 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:07:19 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Couldn't agree more. I hate McDonald's fries. I'll get you some premium shit... don't worry
PurplePickel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:09:15 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well I'm convinced, you're good people. I like that quality in a random stranger that I spark a conversation with after whinging on the internet :p
Vipre7 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:51:34 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wish we knew if it was actually a result of a redditor asking Bill Gates or if Age of Empires 4 was already in the works. If they made 3 of them and each was wildly successful, why not 4?
slappy_nutsack ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 09:28:01 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is it like AOE and not that piece of crap AOE II? (I never played AOE III. II sucked so bad I was turned off).
nimie ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 09:37:03 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was obviously being made long before that comment. You actually think it was made in under a year? you lot will believe anything.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 09:41:25 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)*
Except it was almost certainly in development long before that and Bill Gates' impact was zilch.
SenHeffy ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 10:35:35 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What? No he didn't. He announced a remake of Age of Emprires 1, and this was 2 months ago.
LodvicKerman ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 10:35:51 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pure coincidence, Gates doesn't work at Microsoft anymore. Doubt he had anything to do with it.
certze ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:44:38 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thankfully only this one guy asked him this question.
aki821 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:10:58 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This really resembles how Niantic handles all things PoGo
Lopsd ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:31:02 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah because they developed the game in just 1 year
minusSeven ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:40:29 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
is there any actual proof that he was responsible for it ?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:18:48 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reddit, let's ask him for Half-life 3!
SeriouslyWhenIsHL3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:19:17 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
By mentioning Half-Life 3 you have delayed it by 1 Month. Half-Life 3 is now estimated for release in Mar 2035.
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:19:22 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:25:04 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not that bad, is it?
zekeweasel ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:21:35 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just coming in to brag... Used to go dove hunting with the original Ensemble crew about 10 yrs ago.
MaxSan ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:01:57 on August 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wish we could do the same with HL3...
RudegarWithFunnyHat ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 07:19:20 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
what about a xbox one game, where you can use the Kinect to yell profanities at womens butts ?
Leevi-Saarijarvi ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 10:47:27 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bill Gates is my favorite person of the world for her personality.
manwithoutaguitar ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 08:31:51 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This has already appeared on the frontpage of reddit a few months ago.
Jblack2236 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 12:36:42 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow... do you think it was directly related to him? Or do you think there were plans already? That's awesome if he got the ball rolling. Pretty cool.
onfire9123 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:35:50 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uh, Bill didn't announce shit. It was Tywin Lannister that announced AoE4.