iirc in his AMA he was linked that sub along with the "seinfeld in modern day" twitter, and Jerry Seinfeld said that he found all of the posts unfunny, that they would never make good episodes, and then ranted about how being funny is really hard work.
I mean, I'm not the worlds most successful comedian, so what do I know, but that comment really rubbed me the wrong way, so seeing that video of the hug refusal isnt surprising at all
Edit: Seriously. I'm on bacon reader so I don't know if that makes a difference but the very first comment that shows is the parent comment to this reply.... And the reply is the highest voted. It takes awhile to scroll down to see that... It just isn't the case? Kind of a big thing here, or am I going crazy?
You should edit your comment then. I skimmed through the twitters and they really weren't that funny. Maybe if he had a chance to see the sub he would have thought differently.
The truth is there's very little in that sub thats actually funny.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 13:01:38 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea people just oversimplify the show and use the same formula...none of them are that funny or have much thought put into them. Like one of the responses in the thread linked in OP has George label Kesha as a "hugger" in the same vein as "close-talker" or whatever...that's just low effort
Yea the Twitter is awful. That subreddit has a few really great submissions, though. You also just can't fit a funny/intertwined plot in 140 characters.
My uncle met Larry David at a golfing tournament and gave him a lift to the airport. Said he was completely cool and nice, nothing like his screen persona.
I worked at Disney and saw all kinds of celebrities (both real ones and self-defined). Imagine if everyone who saw you acted like they knew you, but the "you" that they "know" is based on someone that isn't the real you and wanted to initiate contact based on that incorrect perspective; I can imagine that that gets emotionally taxing really quickly. I barely have the energy to see my actual friends at the store when it's unexpected (but I'm an isolationist and I like it that way), much less someone I don't know who's acting like they know me.
We were told at disney to basically act like they were anyone else, and they are "anyone else" when crowds are huge at DL.
There's also a story about how I yelled at Kobe's friends one night because of that rule, but that's what happens when you walk away from your plaid and act like you own the place.
My bad. Employees who work in Guest Relations (especially those that do tours) wear an obvious plaid vest. We shorthanded that to all GR people being called "plaids" even if you were a suited tour guide (for VIPs).
"Anyone else" until it comes time to special treatment, such as being sent to the front of the line, being carted around the park all day via the "secret" routes to avoid the unwashed masses, etc. They want to be anyone else but not live anyone else kind of lives.
I worked at Cedar Point and heard that Lenny Kravitz was the most beautiful celeb guest ever. He wore maroon velvet outfit for his day at CP. He suffered if it was a typical late June thru early Sept day on shores of Lake Erie.
I won't name anyone specifically on the bad side, but we (in attractions) disliked the celebrities that forced whole attractions to come to a halt just cause they wanted to sit in front or ride with the pilot or whatever. I was pretty well known on my attractions for not giving two shits about who you were; everyone has to wait in line, it's not that long. That family just paid 400 bucks to be here today, they deserve the fun too.
Also, as a side note, I saw way more celebrities in hats and sunglasses than I did getting led around by a cast member. One day, I had to be told that I had just given Adam Scott a car on Autopia cause I seriously wasn't paying attention to faces. You just don't have enough time to really interact with them, even if you wanted to gush.
bg-j38 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 06:31:34 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm so terrible at most celebrity stuff. I had to go look up who Adam Scott was, and I watched and loved all of Parks and Rec. I really tend to ignore a lot of the people around me or just tune out their faces at least. Someone told me the other day that I was standing next to Francis Ford Coppola for a couple minutes. I had no idea. Not that I'd gush over him if I did. He's a great director, but I doubt he'd be too interested in interacting with me at a random event.
tang81 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:23:45 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've talked to two pro sports stars because their daughters cheered on the same team as my daughter, Ryan Clark and Pascal Dupuis. Totally didn't recognize them. To me they were just another miserable cheer dad.
Clark didn't go to much. I don't blame him because he would get swamped for autographs everywhere he went. Unless it was out of state. Though I'm pretty sure he was annoyed when I didn't recognize him and my response when he told me he worked for the Steelers was an unenthusiastic, "oh, cool."
fiduke ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:22:05 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One day I was in line for ice cream at a Carvel or something. Guy in front of me is ordering a cone or milkshake. Then the lady behind me quietly says quiet 'excuse me?....' then a little louder 'Um, excuse me?' I look at her and she's staring down the older guy in front of me. He does this kinda slow turn to see what's going on. The lady says "OMG are you blah blah?" and he's like "yes I am." She starts gushing and asking for autographs and pictures. He obliges. He gives me a look that says "Do you want a picture too while I'm doing this?" I tell him I'm just here for the ice cream. No clue who he was. I felt awkward and a little bad... like maybe he'd prefer if I got a picture with him?
Having grown up in Clearwater, FL I've seen a few celebrities face to face, most of them professional wrestlers when I was working at different stores in my youth. Only one I ever helped twice was Hulk Hogan (before the scandals) who I helped when I worked at Toys R Us one christmas as well as at Best Buy.
Always treated them normal like anyone else. 'Celebrity' culture has never interested me much. They are just normal people that put their pants on one leg at a time, eat, drink and poo like anyone else.
Lelden ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 05:13:37 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Part of the problem is that they it's difficult for them to "live anyone else kind of lives." I mean the workers at Disneyland might get paid to treat them like normal, but walking around a park is a good way to get noticed and gather crowds when you just want to enjoy the rides. Some obviously get recognized more than others, but I can understand not wanting to wait in long lines or walk around the park for risk of getting noticed, but still wanting to have fun. And there is going too far with that kind of behavior, so I'm not excusing everything celebrities do, but I could understand getting tired of everyone asking your autograph or even wanting to shake hands or say hello throughout the day you wanted to relax and have fun.
I can sort of understand this on a lot of levels though. When I walk through a crowd it's annoying sure but I don't get hassled and stopped for autographs or told people's opinions of my relationships and work performance.
Plus there's the safety issue, there's much risk that I'm going to be beaten by a guy demanding to know the frequency I can use to stop the CIA mind control signal my channel broadcasts (happened to Dan Rather when walking near his home), or accosted by a stalker.
You are totally right. Regardless of who you are, it's taxiing to have to constantly engage with people. I know people who work in the entertainment industry. They are exhausted after a single night.
I can't imagine the horror of being a celebrity, it seems more a curse to me. Because you can be successful without every jackass with a camera knowing where you live.
Also, extension of everyone having a camera and social media is you could be the nicest celeb in the world, got time for everyone and then one day you're having a bad day and you don't have time to sign an autograph and then that is all over social media and everything thinks you're a wanker!
Meh, can't feel that bad for them. They make more money than the vast majority of us ever will. Every job comes with a price. If they can't handle it, they should have picked a different career.
Nah they experience a type of crazy we never will. John Lennon was killed by a "fan". Bjork was almost mailed a bomb by an obsessed stalker. People break into their homes and property. Even Charles Manson's little cult purposely targeted celebrities with the goal of causing a race war.
The puplic eye, is the singular most horrific glance I can imagine a single person could experience.
Exactly. Don't feel bad for me because I'm rich and famous. Those are mostly non issues. I fly on my own airplane and have a driver wherever I go. I get VIP tickets and go in the back door. I have a huge house that's gated in a gated community. I own an island so that's were I vacation to. On the road I book the entire floor of a hotel and usually get a dedicated elevator. Doctors come to see me. It's not a bad life. I'm very busy though so not much sleep. In fact, time to get up now. Wake up Eddie! Oh shit I'm poor.
I'm sure for many having this type of notoriety was one of the driving forces behind their efforts to become well known entertainers. Sometimes you have to be more careful about what you wish for.
I really have no pitty for celebrities that get offended or emotionally taxed by fans. They are paid king ransoms for their roles. These are the same people who have enough to buy private islands.
Now taking your logic imagine people trying to initiate contact based on a perspective. Imagine the police, homeless people, or retail workers, strippers. Everyone experience interactions with other people based on the others perceived perspective. Singling out the celebrities and saying they have it rough, is a joke, we all have it rough.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:31:58 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Celebrities should put up with everything because they are fucking famous multimillions who get paid for nothing compared to what normal people go through. Fuck anyone like that who refuses a fucking handshake.
MyManD ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:09:21 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Makes you wonder that if you're just nice and normal to most celebrities they'll be nice and normal back! Hmmm, no that can't be right.
bamdrew ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 05:26:43 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's probably right. Jerry is truly annoyed by everything, Larry is quicker to see the humor in annoyance, and make a joke. Then they riff off each other around the thing that annoyed Jerry.
J:'This restaurant smells. I thought this was a trendy place?'
L:'You're right, they should hand out the little car deodorizers with the menus.'
J:'Yeah, or name the restaurant after it, like, "Le Garbahj"'
Just banter, but it's like Jerry has this endless spring of annoyances that Larry appreciates and helped spin into gold.
I dunno, Larry David is a bit of a dick and it's hilarious.
IMO Jerry Seinfeld is both a dick and unfunny. Like, if I saw Larry David deny Kesha a hug, I'd think "holy cow, that's really funny, Larry probably has this whole thing about not hugging anyone"
when I saw Jerry Seinfeld deny her a hug, I thought "Geez, Jerry must have some condescending opinion about Kesha as a pop star or something"
MyManD ยท 167 points ยท Posted at 03:10:19 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But he literally had no idea who she was and just saw a dirty looking woman trying to give him a hug while he was giving an interview.
I don't know whether he's an actual asshole normally or not but in this scenario I'd probably pull away from the woman too.
Nicer than an interrupting strange woman deserves. Matt Damon would have probably told her "I'm doing an interview here; Piss off" or something to that extent.
"dirty looking woman" uh she looked fine, like every other pop star at a red carpet event. like he didn't want to hug her it's fine but u guys are acting like she approached him with meth pipe in hand wearing a rag she dug out of a nearby dumpster.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 06:25:27 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She looks daaaaaaaam fine but in a trashy way, but then again I have a soft spot for trashy girls.
Probably not, which is why I said "he didn't want to hug her and that's fine". I'm just making the point that her being/looking "dirty" wasn't the cause of it. Jerry's kind of a germaphobe in general from what I understand, he probably doesn't want any random people touching him.
Also, just cause you're famous does it mean you owe everyone a hug?
Strangers approach celebs but of course they have no idea who we are? The stranger rarely introduces themself and they obviously know the celeb but the celeb has no clue about them.
Always find it weird, we can greet them like they're friends but in reality they're wondering who the fuck we are shaking hands or asking for a hug.
They're not the only one. I never really found Seinfeld funny. It mostly annoys me. Kramer bursting through the doors was probably the funniest part of the show to me.
I think part of my issue is I never related much to any of the Seinfeld characters. I get the situational aspects of it, but for the most-part, I didn't relate to them at all. It's stuff I always associated with "old people" who "had issues".
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:26:35 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's probably because he was the biggest star in the planet or close and would get a lot of attention and at some point he probably had to draw the line about people wanting to do stuff with him. Also he probably had no idea who she was and she just interrupted an interview he was doing so he probably thought it was rude and not some celebrity drop in on the interview thing.
I have heard him talking about strangers coming up to him and he doesn't seem super comfortable with it. I am sure he had no clue who that was and someone comes up and wants a hug ... yeah, I can see, middle of an interview, why he'd turn that down
This. You can definitely see some of his attitude and ego bleed out in Comedians in Cars getting Coffee.
He's a funny guy, no dispute, as Louis CK describes him in Talking Funny, he is something of a virtuoso when it comes to comedy. But he clearly equates a lot of his success - particularly financial success - with HIMSELF. He's got the ego of a person reinforced with hundreds of millions of dollars and constant adoration. I don't blame him, but I would argue he isn't the best role model of how to be a cool and considerate and humble person.
He's right though. Seinfeld aired in the mid to early nineties. Did they ever ONCE reference Vanilla Ice, Nirvana, Dr. Dre/NWA, Color me
Bad, Salt N' Peppa, or any other dumb pop star bullshit? No. They made up fake movies and plays like Rochelle Rochelle, Prognosis Negative, and Death Blow, because Seinfeld was not a show about the nineties, it was just an incredibly smart show about terrible doing NOTHING and over analyzing EVERYTHING. These kind of rewritings of Seinfeld for the modern age are sometimes funny memes that follow the basic voice of Jerry and Larry but honestly they have NOTHING to do with the show. The best Seinfeld episodes are about stuff like suicide or masturbation or being stuck in a parking garage, things we still deal with 25 years later.
istara ยท 192 points ยท Posted at 02:08:42 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I used to watch Seinfeld with a friend who was convinced that the early episodes with excerpts of Jerry's stand up were supposed to be "deliberately bad and unfunny" and the joke was that he was a shitty comedian. That he was a kind of spoof of a stand up comic (like Alan Partridge as a parody of a TV presenter).
It took years to convince him (plus more footage of his actual act) to convince him that this was the real deal.
aa24577 ยท 124 points ยท Posted at 02:30:06 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought that. I still think Jerry is not a great stand up. The show is great but idk why that is
Saw him do standup on some talk show a few years ago. It wad truly awful, cringe inducing - I had to turn it off.
aa24577 ยท 83 points ยท Posted at 02:47:51 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah his stand up has really always been bad. It's just really strange because the writing in his show is so self-aware and kind of self-deprecating and meta and just very hip for the time, but his stand up is so goddamn boring. It's just super clean observational humor. There are some jokes of his that I enjoy but overall it's very dry and boring to me.
I always wonder if he'd be nearly as popular or revered as a comedian if it weren't for the show.
But if anyone has some insight into his comedy that I'm overlooking (or some clips or anything), I'd be open to changing my view.
[deleted] ยท 129 points ยท Posted at 03:18:23 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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aa24577 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 03:38:39 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm talking critically. Like in terms of his influence among other comedians and critics and stuff. Like I think Cosby would still be super influential if it wasn't for his show because many comedians still loved his stand up
You realize Seinfeld's standup is also well regarded yea? In fact he's regarded as unfunny now for the same reason that Seinfeld the show is regarded as unfunny by modern viewers who didn't grow up with it, he basically laid the foundation of modern humor in America.
aa24577 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:01:39 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But the show always seemed really ahead of its time compared to other shows during that period in a way that his stand up didn't. There were other comics doing way better stand up at the time
I'm sure co-creating and starring in one of the greatest TV shows of all-time is pretty influential to other comedians as well. So of course it would make a large dent in his reputation if he never did it.
aa24577 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:53 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Many comedians with successful TV shows would still have a good reputation if it wasn't for their TV show. I'm saying I don't really think Jerry would be in that boat
Idk just about every other comedian regards him as the best or one of the best. They don't just say he was a great writer but they speak about him in awe almost about his stand up career. I saw a special of his where he talked about going through an airport and I thought it would be hack comedy but it was consistently funny. But a lot of his other stand up I didn't care for. Idk.
If it helps, even when his show was on the air, his observational standup was roundly mocked (WHAT'S the DEEEALL with THAT?!?). As the show went on to become more popular, his standup segues into the episodes thinned out, and sometimes the show itself made fun of the character jerry for being a derivative although successful comedian.
Seinfeld's standup material was broad enough for him to get a pilot. He sort of lucked into being the star of a show with one of the best all time casts and group of writers. But basically everyone who has success in media owes it to some degree of luck. He was perfect for that show, and that show was perfect. He can do or say basically whatever he wants now - he's earned his lifetime pass.
aa24577 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 03:42:07 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
sometimes the show itself made fun of the character jerry for being a derivative although successful comedian.
I think that's why a lot of us thought that it was intentionally put there.
even when his show was on the air, his observational standup was roundly mocked
that's interesting though, i wasn't aware of that. but yeah i always just figured that he was good enough to luck into getting the best writers and concept for a show really ever. but that's a lot of luck. he's not the best actor either.
but either way it worked out pretty perfectly. just wish he wasn't such a dick about it
Over time the Jerry "impression" became ubiquitous and was the defining feature of a bad comic, much like a bad impressionist and their "Walken".
So the impression of a "shitty comic" and "Jerry" merged with each other, such that when younger people watch vintage Jerry he checks every box on their "not funny" list; long drawn out syllables, no cursing, purely observational jokes etc...
heyf00L ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:25:18 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If it helps, even when his show was on the air, his observational standup was roundly mocked (WHAT'S the DEEEALL with THAT?!?).
This is shortly after the show ended, but here's an example:
Absolutely he would. His standup was superb. If you can get past his failings for an hour, go watch "Himself". Possibly the best and most iconic comedy album ever. Definitely up there with Pryor, and Carlin, and so family friendly too.
It kills me that he might be (probably is) a rapist, because I grew up on his comedy. :(
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:24:36 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, Carlin was/is pretty famous by any metric.
Even if you don't follow standup, he did something like 30 movies. He was the narrator for Thomas the Fucking Tank Engine for half a decade. He is widely regarded as one of the top 3 comedians in American history. Hosted the first SNL. Come on.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:35:49 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know a single person, not one, who wouldn't know who George Fucking Carlin is. He's iconic. Fucking everyone knows who he is. I mean, maybe a kid wouldn't know. Like if I asked a 13 year old...sure. But they probably don't know who Bill Cosby is either. Or Jerry Seinfeld. But someone over 25? They probably know.
I suspect part of the void between our experiences lies in the age difference that I suspect is present between you and I. I would guess you 28-35 while I am about 24. I am going to ask some of my older coworkers about him.
I don't know why my post was so contentious though. The Cosby Show was a classic sitcom. So Cosby had about the same exposure as Carlin in standup, but also had the added fandom from his TV show. Sure there is overlap between the sitcom watchers and the standup audience, but by covering both audiences, even in their primes Cosby would logically have an edge.
As far as a lasting legacy, the same argument exists. Think of the great sitcoms and the Cosby show is top 10.
Jesus fuck shitpisscocksuckermotherfucker though this discussion got off course. Sorry for ruffling feathers.
Edit: Just as an aside, Carlin is probably my favorite comedian. I loved the cats vs. dogs bit.
Fair enough. I don't think your individual experience is reflective of the general adult population of the US that is in anyway exposed to popular culture.
The Chicken Heart That Ate Chicago is a goddamn masterpiece. I still can't listen to it anymore, though.
aa24577 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 03:37:37 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know, many comedians absolutely adore Cosby's stand up, so maybe they would still love him even if he didn't have the show. I just wonder if Jerry is in the same boat or not. Who really loves Jerry as a stand up?
Seriously though, if another comedian of the same level gets nabbed like him, it isn't as big of a deal as it was with him. Make it Doug Stanhope and still no one would really no his name. Make it Tig Notaro, Odenkirk before Breaking Bad, or even Jim Gaffigan and it wouldn't have been plastered over every social media site as it was.
Would Bill Cosby even be remembered if not for the Cosby show?
Probably what w/ all of his rapey ways and all.
Jokes aside, that really does make me sad though. I grew up on the Coz - his show was really funny and also had a nice moral to it. I just don't want to believe he's this serial mass-rapist. But I really struggle to believe all these allegations are false. :(
I absolutely loved the "I'm Telling You For The Last Time" show. His comedy did peak twenty years ago though and watching him now could lead you to say he's not funny. Comedy changes. Everyone loved Jim Carrey in 1994 but rewatching most of his movies today would be awful.
There's a vid of him and Louis CK talking about how they write their standup. Jerry rehashes and rehashes and rehashes, Louis throws all his material out at the end of a tour. Makes a lot of sense. I still don't know how Jerry was so successful, but obviously the show is most of it.
LOTM42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:48:24 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can't judge old comedy by standards of today.
aa24577 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:21:44 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But I like other comics from then a lot more
LOTM42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:14:00 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes some people's work is good at the time and continues to be good, that's not always the case
aa24577 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:54:50 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So turns out you can judge old comedy
LOTM42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:41 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ya which doesn't mean it was bad when it was first done
But if anyone has some insight into his comedy that I'm overlooking (or some clips or anything), I'd be open to changing my view.
Well, I don't think I'm going to change your mind, but I always had a lot of respect for his comedy, b/c unlike the other greats like Louis CK et al, he never resorts to vulgarity or curses, yet he's still interesting and funny IMO.
And hey, if a more 'adult' style of humour is your thing, fair enough. (b/c I really do find Louis CK hilarious, but I guess some of his graphic stuff just isn't my style.)
Capt-CL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:21:45 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Guess you don't know how hard it is to construct a solid joke, and how much harder that is to do while also working clean.
Think about a few generic comics that don't work clean. How funny would their jokes be if they the next show couldn't say any four letter word? Lot of jokes are "funny" only because they have words like shit, fuck, dick, bitch in them.
Jerry is a great comic and a comic's comic that is all about jokes. I think he chose to work clean for many reasons, one being he did not want to earn easy laughs only because of swearing.
aa24577 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:36:03 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lot of jokes are "funny" only because they have words like shit, fuck, dick, bitch in them.
No, they're funny because they're allowed to tackle taboo subjects like sex in an interesting way. No comic gets laughs by saying a swear word, they get laughs because it's funny. Go to any open mic night to see the difference.
But yes, clean comedy is harder to do well. I just don't think Jerry does it super well. Watch that comedy round table with Seinfeld, Louis, Gervais, and Chris Rock to hear more of what Jerry has to say on it
Exactly. Jim gaffigan and Tom papa are miles funnier while staying clean
Capt-CL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:37:14 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think you're wrong. It's not very interesting at all actually. Mostly guys rambling about things they believe are taboo while also trying to be provocative and dirty mouth funny. It becomes dull after a while, especially if that is the entire act.
A good clean guy could do a good dirty act, but a dirty guy would have a very hard time doing a good clean act.
aa24577 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:45:05 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree somewhat with what you're saying about some comedians just saying things for shock value, but that's not really what I was talking about, I agree that stuff is boring and played out.
A good clean guy could do a good dirty act, but a dirty guy would have a very hard time doing a good clean act.
I really disagree with this though. I think people who do a clean act don't do it because they are just "challenging" themselves, I think they do it because they have some hang-ups about the material in dirty acts. I mean could you really imagine Seinfeld or Gaffigan going on about anal sex or something? It's just ridiculous, it's not who they are at all. They do it because it's what makes them comfortable.
Capt-CL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:57:44 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I also don't think they want to challenge themselves only. There are many reasons why they work clean.
They could still be dirty while also being themselves. Still, could you imagine a tight 5-10 min set by either Gaffigan or Seinfeld with dirty material? It would destroy.
aa24577 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:02:27 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Still, could you imagine a tight 5-10 min set by either Gaffigan or Seinfeld with dirty material? It would destroy.
No, I absolutely could not and I don't think they are personally capable of doing that with their stage presence. It would be horrible.
There are many reasons why they work clean.
What are the reasons?
Capt-CL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:22:25 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Could be a few reasons why:
Dont want to exclude audience members. Say a family wants to bring their children.
They think dirty jokes are uninteresting
Does not fit their personality
They want to talk about stuff that means something more to them, which happens to be more of broader life issues
They are elitists
aa24577 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:38:01 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think 3 and 5 are the most applicable. 2 might follow. The rest I don't think matter really.
But either way it's strange to demonize other comedians for using curse words or talking about taboo topics. I think that's the whole point of comedy
There are some obvious ironies in the show. Like all the jokes about airline and peanuts gags and jokes about "did you ever notice stuff" and "it was a good bit in the 80s and still relevant today".
That being said,
I don't think the openers are necessarily "satire" though. I just think they've become so saturated into the comedy unconscious that they appear rather trite today.
aa24577 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:41:36 on June 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But they seem trite to me even taking into account the time period. Pryor's stuff seems honestly fresh even today. Same with Eddie Murphy's stuff (minus the gay jokes, those did not age well)
pihkal ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 03:42:36 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because the head writer of "Seinfeld" wasn't Jerry Seinfeld, it was Larry David. He's the genius behind it all.
aa24577 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:44:07 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I had thought about that but they always portray it as an equal split between Jerry and Larry writing-wise
pihkal ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 04:16:32 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno about an equal split. Larry was head writer, though final approval did go through the both of them. Initially, it was just those two, but once the show caught on, they had a team of typically 5-10 people writing per episode.
For me, Larry was the primary influence because a) he had prior experience writing scripts and sketches in addition to standup, whereas Jerry had never written, and b) if you compare Jerry's standup routines with something like Curb Your Enthusiasm, the difference in quality is striking. Jerry's standup is ok, but never really stood out to me compared to other comedians. CYE, however, is basically Seinfeld with fewer restrictions and looser pacing.
I think both can be credited equally. It is not like Larry wrote everything himself and Jerry just signed it. Larry is a good writer but he hated it and was always hoping they'd get cancelled. Jerry was the enabler that knew what would work or not and pushed Larry to stay, but in the end he quit and Jerry wrote the storyline for the last two seasons himself. Those seasons are even more bizarre. As they say in CICGC episode: nobody wastes time obsessing over the minute details in life like the two of them together.
pihkal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:18:56 on June 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I heard that frequently, writers would come to them with storylines, and they'd tell them the story was awful, but then if the writer mentioned some weird interaction on the subway as an aside, they'd be fascinated, and build a plot line around it.
Anyway, I'm not sure how you think Jerry wrote the last two seasons himself. Even by a couple seasons in, there were a team of writers, with maybe 5+ people contributing per episode. I think it's more likely that by the time Larry left, the writing staff was a well-oiled machine, with Jerry more shepherding the process along.
I remember it from the Seinfeld documentary where his colleagues said he was in the "u-boat" the last years, i.e. worked on the show 24/7, which was the main reason why he ended the show. But you are probably correct since he doesn't have any writing credits. In the end Larry wrote 62 episodes and Jerry 17 but they both edited the scripts, even when they didn't write them.
dog_cow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:52:40 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The later seasons didn't involve Larry and they were good too.
pihkal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:11:55 on June 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True, but by the time he'd left, he'd been head writer for 7 seasons, so the writers that remained knew the style and the bar that had been set for quality.
The "Seinfeld isn't funny" thing is a result of the times. Everyone ripped off Seinfeld heavily, so much of stand-up and sitcoms is based around his stuff. As a result, the originator seems like a flaccid copy, his stuff seems to bad and played out. Well, its played out because it was good, and it seems bad because we have heard so much rip him off.
pihkal ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 03:44:32 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My friends and I watched "Seinfeld" back in the 90's as it came out, and even then, we knew Jerry's standup routines were the weakest part of the show.
His show stand up routines if I remember correctly were quirky little jokes loosely based off of the episode content. His actual stand up is very enjoyable, in my opinion.
pihkal ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:41:18 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even given they weren't battle-tested material, the standup snippets were still weak, and should have been cut from the episodes.
I'll have to take your word on his standup. I've only seen some of his highlights and the "Seinfeld" snippets, but between them, I never got the impression Jerry's standup was all that.
I think comedy is like music, different strokes for different folks so they say. I like Jerry Seinfeld in a way that I am entertained by everything in his routine, but it's not something I am literally laughing out loud to like some comedians. But that's okay, I enjoy it.
the standup snippets were still weak, and should have been cut from the episodes.
LOL!! To this day it is considered one of the greatest sitcoms ever made and you think your edits would have made it better? That's some arrogance.
Jerry was a headlining comedian, had made appearances on the Tonight Show with Johnny Carson, and had an HBO comedy special under his belt before Seinfeld. His comedy credentials are beyond reproach even if you personally don't find him funny. I'm not a fan of his stand up but I'm not ignorant of the career he made for himself prior to the show either.
pihkal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:09:34 on June 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fame is not the same thing as talent. Jay Leno is wildly popular...amongst grandparents.
If anything, the effect is reversed. Because of how good "Seinfeld" was, people look back more favorably on his stand-up than it really warranted.
And yeah, if my only edit was to remove his stand-up bits at the beginning and tell Larry David to write another 30 seconds of material, it would definitely have made the show even stronger.
Again, you're showing your ignorance by denigrating Jay Leno like that. Like Jerry, Jay Leno was a hugely successful and influential stand up comedian before he found wide-spread fame/success on the Tonight Show.
People don't look back on Leno or Seinfeld's stand up more favorably because of the success of their shows. Anyone who has any clue about the origin of either realizes that their stand up comedy is exactly what got them their job in the first place! In other words, their stand up was looked at extremely favorably before either of them had a TV show, not through the lens of later success like you contend.
Try listening to some podcasts by comedians some time like Marc Maron, Bill Burr, Norm MacDonald, Joe Rogan, etc. They interview a lot of comedians on their shows and you'll quickly notice that both Jay Leno and Jerry Seinfeld were highly respected by other comedians back when they were doing stand up comedy.
pihkal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:46:17 on June 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You keep mentioning their success as if it indicates indicates they're good, but past a certain scale, success in showbiz just means you have mass appeal, which conversely, probably means they're not taking as many chances or risks in your material.
Sure, Leno and Seinfeld are successful, but that's irrelevant to me. I just don't think they were the best, though, even before they became famous. It's not like they can't make me laugh, it's just there's other comics funnier, more insightful, and more innovative.
If they're influential as stand-ups, it's only to other average stand-ups, or to kids who haven't been exposed to much yet. Kids are more likely to be inspired to go into comedy by famous comedians, but that's just because they're more likely to have seen them when young. Parents are more likely to let their kids listen to someone safe like Leno then someone controversial like Bill Hicks or weird, like Steven Wright or Demetri Martin.
E.g., I thought SNL was great when I was 12 years old, but then later I saw way better sketch comedy (Monty Python, Chapelle Show, Kids in the Hall, Mr Show, etc). In the case of Leno, he was safe enough to go on earlier in the night and had the larger audience, but Conan O'Brien was still the funnier host. I mean, hell, Conan was a Simpsons writer during its early 90's heyday.
It's the latest circle jerk of younger redditors. I think if Louis CK, Chris Rock etc say Jerry was the greatest I'm happy to take their judgement over others.
Weird, my sister thought the same thing. She thought the joke was that he was a really bad comedian.
I personally can enjoy his stand up but he's not some kind of comedy god. I can get a chuckle out of him but really the show was carried by the rest of the cast.
Holy shit, I dont keep up with celebrity at all, nor am I American so it's not like I'd know him from anything but Seinfeld. When I watch a show I watch it for the content, except for some really big people I have to refer to the actors as their role and such. I always thought the exact same thing. Like a self depriving skit to accommodate his role in the show. Msn you blew my mind, it being so bad was what made it funny because it fit exactly in there with the show.
I eventually came around and love the later seasons, but I can see why your friend had that initial impression.
kilot1k ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:29:17 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno I'm on the fence with him. Personally, I don't think he was ever that funny as a stand up comic. His show was ok, sometimes he crossed a line I didn't particularly like. He made a joke about how when people fail to commit suicide that they should feel even worse about themselves afterwards. I come from a long line of family of metal health disorders so this kinda rubbed me the wrong way. I'm all for dark humor, I find 9/11 jokes humorous, but this joke really bothered me. He is a very talented comedian, I will never take that from him. I just never really found him funny. To each their own.
And if you lost someone in 9/11 you wouldn't like jokes about that, it's all relative. Comedians are usually gonna offend someone.
kilot1k ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:46:04 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yeah of course, that's why I like comedy. Sometimes a comedian has jokes that turn you off and don't resonate with them, that's ok. If I lost someone I knew in 9/11 maybe I'd feel different, but our experiences shape our outlooks on life and what we find funny. Like they say, comedy is tragedy plus time and maybe at some point I will find those jokes funny. I just had to come from a family of metal health disorders and many suicides. I don't enjoy the humor, but I'll never think bad about people for making jokes about it. It was one example I pointed out of Jerry's comedy, I've seen a quite a few stand ups of his and I just didn't care for it. I fucking love Mitch Hedberg, he is my comedy god.
Wemovil ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 04:26:12 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yeah to each his own, finding 9/11 jokes humorous is sick. Sorry you were born into a family of crazies, but I think that is hilarious. To each his own.
kilot1k ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:35:18 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
See this is why I love comedy. We both find humor in different things and that's ok. I'm not getting offended by humor I don't like, I understand why people think it's funny, but I don't enjoy it. It's like finding a beer you like, I love an IPA and I hate Porters but I'll never criticize anyone for liking a porter. Just not my taste.
Wemovil ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:52:42 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, it's not OK, you finding mass murder funny is really fucking sick. But you come from a bunch of genetically fucked up people so that is to be expected.
kilot1k ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:35 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know, you're right. 9/11 jokes aren't funny. 6 Muslims died that day.
I'm going to go the opposite of the "He's an asshole comment" here.
Being a long time subscriber and lurker to that sub, I can honestly see where he is coming from. maybe, just MAYBE, 1 out of 25 of prompts merit one comment thats gold.
Most of the prompts are expectations of the Seinfeld gang using and reacting to modern day technology and apps.
Even this one started out alright, but as soon as "mulva" came up, it crashed. Same thing with the chickens, you can't just shoehorn a reference or a weird thing and have everyone react like "all right this is normal". Elaine sounded nothing like Elaine, and Jerry isn't someone who would wear hats.
It's one thing to have some fun with it and make it cheesy on purpose, but I don't fault Jerry for saying that it's terrible. I don't know him specifically, but comedy is incredibly difficult. Making it look easy is one of the most difficult, but most important parts.
Elfer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:39:13 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I only read a few comments before I was like "this isn't good."
Being funny is hard, and getting characters right is hard, and the people in this thread didn't do either of those things. They just created a fumbling mock-up of what they think a typical Seinfeld scene was like. It's bad in the same way that poorly-written fan fiction is bad.
It's the same whenever I see people write scenes from It's Always Sunny. They usually have completely the wrong tone, and it just feels wrong.
blay12 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 13:41:43 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
copy pasting what I wrote farther up, because I know exactly what you're saying:
I think a lot of it comes down to the fact that it's written like a cheap parody of the characters and not like an actual scene for the characters, plus it's too heavy handed with its show references. It reads like someone has seen a number of specific scenes from Seinfeld, but has never actually sat down and watched an entire episode before.
For example, you can't just write in "Kramer does something crazy" - no matter how crazy something he does in a scene may seem, there's always a reason for him to do it, and that context makes it seem way less crazy because you can follow the logic of the writing (the character needs or wants something, and the "crazy scheme" seems a lot less crazy when you know the backstory). Half of the comedy of that character comes from the dramatic irony the setup presents - we understand Kramer's reasoning for something because we (the audience) know why he's doing something, so when he bursts into a room doing something that fits that narrative it becomes funnier knowing that it must look completely nonsensical to the other people in the room.
That's a large part of how Seinfeld was written - you see seeds of individual characters' storylines planted throughout, you see them acting along those lines semi-independently (unless it's a plot for multiple characters), and then at the climax you see how those storylines interact and come together. Everyone has a reason for whatever they're doing, and that's what always feels "off" to me about these "reddit writes" scenes - they generally use the anatomy of a single scene and try to fit characters into that, rather than realizing that the comedy of an individual scene comes from the story that's been built up around it, and you're left with "Jerry says something sarcastic, Kramer is crazy, George yells or complains about something, Elaine says something quick, shitty punchline that doesn't make sense."
Trying to shoehorn in "Mulva" was the worst part for me though, that's just too much of a blatant self-reference and throws the whole thing off.
It's just throwing the character's mannerisms into a random pop culture discussion. It's not about what the people would actually like or do as much as recreating a funny scene with different but relatable dialogue.
That's because Jerry Seinfeld is a GIGANTIC ASSHOLE.
[deleted] ยท 107 points ยท Posted at 02:27:48 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's commented on how, after learning more about autism, he believes he's partially on the spectrum. He's probably right, because things like that are pretty similar to the no-filter trait of the disorder.
I'm old enough to remember when autism wasn't something people wanted in order to justify being assholes. "Oh, I'm not an asshole. I'm on the spectrum, so you can't judge me." Nope, pretty sure you're just a jerk. (It's like how the kids claim to be "gender fluid" because saying your bi-sexual sounds like your parents talking.)
Gender fluid and bisexual are two different things. Gender fluid is when you feel/look/act like a boy on some days and a girl on others. Bisexual is being sexually attracted to both genders (not always equally either).
Merlord ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 08:03:51 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People shouldn't be claiming to be autistic until they get diagnosed. I've worked with kids with Asperger's\autism, and Jerry doesn't show any of the signs of being autistic from what I can see. Being kind of awkward and bad with expressing emotions doesn't make you autistic.
iehova ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 12:21:23 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anytime there's ever a thread that deals with autism in any way, you'll find an incredibly unlikely number of people starting out comments with "Aspie here". Most of them self-diagnosed, or their mom thinks that they're on the spectrum but they never needed to be tested.
On a bad day, half of reddit is on the spectrum
elilev3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:38:37 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well considering 1 in 65 is psychologically evaluated and formally diagnosed with being on the spectrum, it doesn't surprise me how common it is.
iehova ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:20 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I understand that, I'm more or less adding my opinion to the behavior that merlord was discussing, and applying it to this platform. Of course there are people on reddit who have been officially diagnosed, but from what I have seen, many people here also identify themselves with aspergers without having that diagnoses.
You realize there's a difference between justification and excuse right? Justification explains, excuse removes the consequences of.
"why weren't you at work? My mom died" is an excuse
"why weren't you at work? I have agoraphobia" is a justification.
One won't get you in trouble, the other will get you fired in a hurry.
DaSaw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:35:16 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It isn't so much "you can't judge me" as "Hey man, I'm genuinely doing the best I can here. If my best isn't good enough for you, there are other people you could be interacting with. Don't waste both our time trying to get better out of me; better people than you have tried."
I think the autism groups spoke out against this, didn't they?
It's a lot more complex and they didn't want people claiming to be on the spectrum or have people self diagnose or change their behaviour based on thinking this
I saw Seinfeld at a Fairway Market in New York City last week. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didnโt want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything. He said, โOh, like youโre doing now?โ I was taken aback, and all I could say was โHuh?โ but he kept cutting me off and going โhuh? huh? huh?โ and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen mars bars in his hands without paying. The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like โSir, you need to pay for those first.โ At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter. When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually โto prevent any electrical infetterence,โ and then turned around and winked at me. I donโt even think thatโs a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.
Nah it's the same mannerisms every time, just the name changes
That's why I love it so much, with some celebrities it seems completely out of character, but with some of the more eccentric/unknown ones it sounds borderline believable. Frank ocean is the one that clicks as the best mix of ridiculous/believable for me
He wrote the best scientific comments on reddit, but there were lots of people writing bad, misleading, even false facts in comments. They kept getting upvoted over his, so he decides to do something about it. He creates alt accounts to downvote the bad comments, allowing his to stay at the top.
Well, some people caught that and deleted his account. So now what happens? Everyone is creating accounts like "theRealUnidan" and "~Unidan~" and "Unidan4reel" now nobody knows who Unidan is.
I have no idea how someone turned that into a verb, though. What does it mean to be "Unidan'd?" Is there some detail I'm forgetting?
To Unidan - v.t. To ban from Reddit and semi-unjustly harass over small violations of Reddit rules that have actually had the end effect of making Reddit a better place.
I just made it up, but to me, this is the meaning of Unidan.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:07:27 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Be careful who you say that to. Every once in a while you run into threads about him, and people still have very strong feelings about it, on both sides.
I've seen other scientists complain that he downvoted their accurate comments to upvote his less-accurate ones, when he isn't even a specialist in that field. Basically, he'd be wrong and wouldn't back down. So while I still think people are a little too butt-hurt about it, I get the source of the hostility.
Vote manipulation is against reddit policy. I know it sucks, especially since Unidan is one of reddit's most celebrated users, but that's just how it went. :(
I like the comedy of Larry David but I never was a fan of Jerry Seinfeld (as an actor mostly - I never met the guy) but also this confirms I wouldn't want to.
I'm the opposite... I can't understand the appeal of Curb Your Enthusiasm at all... but I loved the show Seinfeld.
pihkal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:55:08 on June 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hide your 17-year-old daughter!
j1ggy ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 03:48:51 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And that's why a lot of people don't like Jerry Seinfeld. It took me a long time to be able to watch the show myself because of the stigma around him. He just doesn't give a shit. But on the other side of the coin, he doesn't have to.
Jerry Seinfeld said that he found all of the posts unfunny, that they would never make good episodes, and then ranted about how being funny is really hard work.
All of these things are true. Reddit should leave television writing to the television writers. And that "Modern Day Seinfeld" twitter account is just terrible, clichรฉd pop culture references. It's like if you told Seth McFarlane to write a Seinfeld spec. Just trash.
bl1y ยท 91 points ยท Posted at 02:56:04 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I remember reading about one of the SNL writers being in a meeting and getting notes on the script from one of the actors. He got upset and said they should let the writers do the writing and wouldn't want the writers trying to act.
Because comedy writers are actually a bunch of assholes. They're the proverbial neck beards in the back and the actors are the popular empty heads in front of the camera.
30 Rock does a good job of parodying/exaggerating the dynamic pretty spectacularly.
KaiLi73 ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 04:41:04 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, he's not a good actor.
Deus_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:49:22 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed. When i read this 'scene' in the OP last night I found it almost cringy how bad it was. Sure enough though, bestof this morning...
blay12 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:39:53 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think a lot of it comes down to the fact that it's written like a cheap parody of the characters and not like an actual scene for the characters, plus it's too heavy handed with its show references. It reads like someone has seen a number of specific scenes from Seinfeld, but has never actually sat down and watched an entire episode before.
For example, you can't just write in "Kramer does something crazy" - no matter how crazy something he does in a scene may seem, there's always a reason for him to do it, and that context makes it seem way less crazy because you can follow the logic of the writing (the character needs or wants something, and the "crazy scheme" seems a lot less crazy when you know the backstory). Half of the comedy of that character comes from the dramatic irony the setup presents - we understand Kramer's reasoning for something because we (the audience) know why he's doing something, so when he bursts into a room doing something that fits that narrative it becomes funnier knowing that it must look completely nonsensical to the other people in the room.
That's a large part of how Seinfeld was written - you see seeds of individual characters' storylines planted throughout, you see them acting along those lines semi-independently (unless it's a plot for multiple characters), and then at the climax you see how those storylines interact and come together. Everyone has a reason for whatever they're doing, and that's what always feels "off" to me about these "reddit writes" scenes - they generally use the anatomy of a single scene and try to fit characters into that, rather than realizing that the comedy of an individual scene comes from the story that's been built up around it, and you're left with "Jerry says something sarcastic, Kramer is crazy, George yells or complains about something, Elaine says something quick, shitty punchline that doesn't make sense."
Trying to shoehorn in "Mulva" was the worst part for me though, that's just too much of a blatant self-reference and throws the whole thing off.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:08:48 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 06:04:03 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did you just compare a subreddit's writing to Pink Floyd
fforw ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 10:10:57 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not it. I bet for Jerry it kind of feels like people are going and turning his show into Jump-The-Shark Happy-Days. "Jokes" based on veneration of something slowly choking on that. The Seinfeld plotlines were finely crafted to contrast the interwoven sub-stories and work off absurdities and contrast of that. The "Reddit Writes Seinfeld" stuff is at best a nice reminiscence of some of the more stereotypical Seinfeld-character interactions tranferred to more recent times. None of them could match the hilarity of George puilling out that golf ball -- they're just not funny in that sense.
edit: The other source of hilarity in Seinfeld are great written one-off characters. The Soup-Nazi, the dentist etc. RwS doesn't have those either.
edit2: And Jerry most likely did not mean they're not funny. They're amusing, but they're not funny -- not "We must keep hitting it each episode for our hit show" funny.
This comment is stupid and makes no sense. If you think Seth McFarlane is some kind of evolutionary comedy apex, that would explain why I think you're a philistine.
ddpowkk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:22:41 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think that's necessarily true for all of the stuff in those boards and I don't think the fact that there are cliched pop culture references really helps your point. Go back and watch Seinfeld and see how its absolutely stuffed with pop culture references from the 90s, and it makes sense because its a Sit com from the 90s.
Also to entirely different thing: Seth MacFarlane, I agree, makes trash content for the most part not because his comedy and writing is bad, but because the execution is so fucking dry for Family Guy. If a good comedian with good delivery took McFarlane's jokes line for line and had proper timing and reaction to the jokes present, I think the result would be pretty funny.
The thing, though is that he writes these absurd situations that everyone in universe accepts as normal (making the viewers accept them in universe as not really absurd), when if he wrote just one character grounded in reality horrified, angered or confused by things present, they could potentially be funny. Look at Ted, a movie about a talking teddy bear, where everyone is just fine with a talking teddy bear existing with humans in society, which is kind of funny, but its so normalized that we just see his as another human and its just not humorous anymore.
That got long, so tldr:
Seinfeld has tons of pop culture references for 90s culture, and Seth McFarlane could make some good comedy writing material if he had talented comedians to deliver it.
Seinfeld has lots of cultural references, sure. They are not the underpinnings of the show -- the show still works for people who don't pick up on them because the characters are unique and well-realized, the situations are still unexpected and entertaining, and the narrative structure is so innovative as to be widely copied for more than two decades now.
The shit like on that godawful twitter account and the subreddit is all references. It doesn't hold up at all and becomes completely nonsensical once those references are no longer understood. It all becomes meaningless because there's no structure to hold it up. The "appeal," what little there might be, is in the references and memes, not in appreciating the unique characters and writing style of Seinfeld.
As for Seth McFarlane, I disagree. I think he's the world's biggest hack.
ddpowkk ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:59:41 on June 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What you are saying makes sense and may be accurate to a lot of the material in that sub, but I think its simply not true for the recent Kesha one to set an example. The only pop culture reference in that string of comments was just the character Kesha and the rest was mostly visual comedy and the mundane Seinfeld nitpicky humor about chickens and societal norms that we expect from the show. True nobody will know or care who Kesha is 20 years later, but its been 20 years since the Kathy Griffin cameo and I don't know or care about who Kathy Griffin is. I think its a good representation. And on Seth McFarlane, I see where you are coming from and I can't and don't really want to change your mind. Most of his content sucks, so I have little source for my hypothesis there so Ill give you that.
The comments like the one link never got a laugh from me. It just sounds so...it sounds like there's a 19 piece puzzle going around, and the 20th piece is the OP subbing in whatever topic is at hand.
Niadra ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 02:22:49 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The part of the"Talking Funny" discussion about how comedy is hard work, and no one can do it like them, rubbed me the wrong way. They are successful, and made some really great contributions to comedy, but I have known some extremely funny people that are not professionals.
No, that's what Seinfeld was talking about in the original reference to his statement. In that conversation, they were explicitly talking about "stand-up comedy."
I personally think that "comedy" is a shorthand for some type of performance, which involves people paying you directly or indirectly to entertain them in a professional capacity. Stand-up, film and television (edit: and theater, from which the word "comedy" is derived) can all be "comedy." My argument holds for those types of performative works. "Being funny" is not "comedy."
With respect to that awful subreddit, nothing there would make good television. It would be spectacularly awful. For proof, look in this very thread. There are several people who say "I've never seen the show but this sounds exactly like it!" That's who that subreddit appeals to. People who think they know. Call it Mandela Effect if it makes you feel better. It's all derivative, pop-referential, and would make terrible tv.
Wait a second. Are you saying it wasn't funny? Cuz I thought it was some of his best material since "Chewed Up".
Niadra ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:10:17 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeh, that is what I am saying. I found a lot of the jokes or ideas behind jokes were recycled, and some just missed the mark for me. I certainly enjoyed some of it but for the most part want that time back.
To each his own. I thought he started off slow but killed it in the 2nd and 3rd Act. Pretty much once he started talking about the dog and everything after I thought was hilarious.
Niadra ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:37:48 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I felt it was week compared top his earlier stuff. Live at the Beacon is still my favorite.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:00:04 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was different. I don't know, probably the same "Seinfeld effect" people are mentioning here. Still high tier stuff, just not as good as his old stuff.
Check out Chapelle's latest stuff. That shit is amazing.
dackots ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:01:26 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What're you supposed to be, a funny man or sumtin?
FGHIK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:48:59 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, they can. Not all funny people are fit to be comedians, but modern art is circle jerk bullshit.
Comedians write jokes. Like "write" write. They spend hours crafting them, editing them, trying them out with crowds then editing some more. It's a craft. It's a job. It takes time. It's hard work.
Improv is an important tool for a lot of stand-up comedians. It does not comprise all that "comedy" is, though. Many hugely successful comedians hate going off book. Some thrive on it.
bl1y ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:59:17 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're not just describing being funny though, because remember they do have a discussion about having friends who are really funny (pee in the shower guy). Jerry is talking about doing something on the scale of an hour long show. You can tell some jokes with your friends, but the reason people pay to see Chris Rock is because you and your friends can't do what he does.
The are talking about "on stage funny", and that takes dedication and hard work. He's not denying that people are funny; he's just saying that it takes a lot more to become a comedian. In fact, he said once that the reason he likes NYC over LA is because in NYC any hotshot is a nobody and everyone is funny, the doorman, the taxi driver, etc.
Seinfeld talks about this in an interview with David Letterman. Letterman asks him about people that they know who are funny at the table over dinner but could never be comedians. The way Seinfeld explains it, being funny is like the fuel, but you need the whole car to actually get anywhere. A stand up act is like the car and very few people can do it, even if they are funny.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:37:28 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's right though... It's just as bad as the dozens of comments in every Reddit thread where people try to depict a situation in he style of Rick and Morty
monsto ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:25:22 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
on his, well lets call it what it is... On his vlog, about 40% of the time he comes off super pretentious.
Some of his comedy is funny, sometimes the show was funny, sometimes he's a douche. The difference is that when you have 298e1013 dollars in the bank, you don't have to care what people think of you.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:38:00 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean the show is kind of his life's work so it'd make sense that people poking fun or pretending they can write episodes would tick him off. They are obviously fans and don't mean any hard, but it probably took him a lot of work to write each episode during which they likely rejected many similar premises or conversations. Seeing other people make comments agreeing that those would make perfect episodes would make him annoyed.
He might be a bit of a jerk but to me it shows he's very passionate about his series. Not that I really care either way I've seen like two episodes of Seinfeld.
I'd love to find this comment. I have probably seen, like, 5 episodes of Seinfeld. But every time I see a thread on Reddit that gets Seinfeldy, I think "man that sounds just like Seinfeld. The thread today was spot-on.
Oh man - for a second there I thought the guys who wrote Modern Seinfeld did an AMA - but that totally makes sense. It's really the only thing Seinfeld's really done that's successful and I get why he's precious about and Larry David is meh - coz he left the show and also has Curb behind him.
I run a faux TV show Twitter account for another show and while not as popular as Modern Seinfeld - coming up with those episodes is a bit of a struggle after a certain point but if you do it enough and analyse the quirks of the characters, similar plot threads and through lines, you kinda get it. I'm far from a good or even close to successful comedian but I definitely think it's a dickish comment tbh.
I read through that twitter and another similar site a while back and legitimately could not stop laughing and smiling imagining these ideas playing out in Seinfeld.
It sucks learning that major players in really good things are dumb assholes.
aa24577 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:51:51 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think Jerry is an asshole but in his defense most of them aren't funny. Some of them are pretty good but in reality the show wouldn't work in the modern day
I showed my dad some of the posts there a while back, since he's one of the biggest Seinfeld fans. He said the same thing. Maybe there's just a generational gap or something.
It's perfectly normal to not want to hug random people you don't know. Imagine random people trying to rub their body on yours all the time. It's incredibly rude to do that and expect them to be OK with it just because they're a celebrity. You're not entitled to their bodies
Likely because the majority of both of those things reduce the show into a bunch of Flanderized charicatures all reacting to one event, which was never the show despite what reddit seems to think.
he didn't know who kesha was, he didn't want to hug a stranger, and his first no thanks should have been sufficient
he acts like a non famous person who is thrust into a famous persons life, and if you look at his actions as a normal person you will find that they are quite normal and mundane and not assholish
I would refuse a hug if somebody I didn't know came up to me and asked for one, I think we should appreciate the famous people who go out of their way to please their fans and make themselfs available, but I don't think we should demand it off them
brkello ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:47:04 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If this was an example of what reddit thinks would make a good show/good writing, I am going to have to side with Seinfeld. That was pretty bad.
fiduke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:47:50 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not a comedic expert, but some things just translate to TV better. I assume he has a lot more experience knowing which jokes translate better to TV, and which are more funny in written form. Kind of how something happened in your work or at school and it was hilarious and everyone laughed at it... but then you try to tell someone else and even as it's coming out of your mouth you are having trouble capturing why it was funny in person. 'you had to be there.'
Or maybe he's officially old now and he doesn't understand a lot of modern humor.
Oh this is a very painful subject. As you can probably imagine, over the 9 years of doing the show, Larry David and I sat through hundreds of ideas that people wanted to do on the show. And most of the ideas are not good. Which I saw Larry say the other day on some show, somebody asked him the same question and he said "I know you think it's funny, but it's really hard." The ideas that Larry and I would respond to, I don't even know, they just need to be very unique. It's just a lot harder than it seems to come up with. And particularly for that show, where we tried to do things that were unusual, and you had to go through a lot of ideas to find the ones you like.
The man has a custom built elevator in his Manhattan apartment for his classic cars. They rotate around like I giant tie rack. Did you think he'd be relatable?
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 02:14:20 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're on Reddit for acceptance, when someone gate crashes with their bit of reality it hurts you. He broke the circle jerk. Poor you, poor you.
pihkal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:47:28 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What would Jerry Seinfeld know about great writing? The brilliance in "Seinfeld" is Larry David, the head writer, not Jerry, whose stand-up routines are the weakest part of every episode.
Jerry Seinfeld has always been a massive ass hole when it comes to comedy. He feels that anyone trying to be funny should just stop and leave it to the professionals, such as himself. It's been shown repeatedly in several of his works, his interviews, and AMAs.
And I honestly never saw the appeal of Seinfeld. It felt like a dumb show that a lot of people got addicted to because there wasn't much better at the time (it wasn't exactly the somewhat golden era of original TV that is kinda happening at the moment with Silicon Valley/Mr. Robot/Game of Thrones/House of Cards/etc... so it's understandable) and it seems to survive solely on the rosy-tinted glasses of nostalgia. It was 'ground breaking' for its time, but at the time 'ground breaking' wasn't that great or impressive in the context of today.
And because of that, I have to side with Seinfeld, as much of a total ape-shit retard I-love-my-own-farts-because-they-come-from-a-comedy-genius douche he is. That subreddit, and any time I see one of those scripts for seinfeld (or any show, really) that people on reddit posts and circle-jerk into hundreds or thousands of upvotes are always dumb, unfunny, and just feeds into that nostalgia factor.
Honestly, for the longest time, I was under the impression that Seinfield (both as a comedian and a TV Show) was intentionally dumb and bad as a big joke and I respected it. Then I realized, through watching interviews and reading stuff written by Jerry, that he honestly thinks he's one of the 'Great' comedians of our time and that all his popular stuff was genuinely funny. So, while I once didn't like it but respected it, I now find it too cringe-inducing and have nothing but hate for it.
TL;DR: Jerry Seinfeld is bad at comedy and is really into hyping himself by putting down everyone he can get away with, Seinfeld the TV show is pretty cringe-worthy, and the Seinfeld 'scripts' that get put on Reddit all the time are just as Jerry says: Unfunny and dumb.
spp41 ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 00:30:01 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
wat if seinfeld on tv today
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:10:32 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It would have too many gay French kings I'd imagine
Really? Because after awhile you realize it's the same idea every single day and that the stuff that gets upvoted doesn't sound like the characters at all.
After 180 episodes, it shouldn't be hard for a big enough fan to emulate the style of the show.
In that I get Jerry's irritation at the sub. Creating consistently good comedy is extremely hard and the implication of this sub is that what they created and sustained for nearly 10 years was something anybody could do. Personally I don't see it that way, as I think it's a great fan tribute to one of the greatest shows of all time. But comments like yours does show his feelings have merit.
Because it's pretty shit writing tbh. Comedy is hard. Even the best 10% of that sub would be trash. And it's all the same thing over and over. You'd get like... 3 episodes out of everything on that sub.
Curb your enthusiasm does what's basically like a Seinfeld reunion for season 7. Larry David is a genius and he absolutely nailed it.
I don't think a direct reboot would work at all. Curb Your Enthusiasm was basically Larry David (the main or co-lead driver behind Seinfeld) making his attempt at bringing his and Seinfeld's type of humor into the 21st century (thought it's all Larry David for Curb). Comedians in Cars with Coffee was, in my opinion, Seinfeld's best attempt for a structured approach for his sense of humor.
He doesn't have any musical talent, so he just starts telling jokes that he's been hearing down at he cigar club. It's going okay until he notices some people of color leaving before he's done with his set...
Kramer: (eating chicken) Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Plagueis The Wise?
Jerry: No
Kramer: I thought not. Itโs not a story the Jedi would tell you. Itโs a Sith legend. Darth Plagueis was a Dark Lord of the Sith, so powerful and so wise he could use the Force to influence the midichlorians to create lifeโฆ He had such a knowledge of the dark side, he could even keep the ones he cared about from dying.
Jerry: He could actually save people from death?
Kramer: The dark side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural.
Jerry: What happened to him?
Kramer: He became so powerfulโฆ the only thing he was afraid of was losing his power, which eventually, of course, he did. Unfortunately, he taught his apprentice everything he knew, then Ke$ha killed him in his sleep. Ironic. He could save others from death, but not himself.
Enh. Not painfully bad, really, to me at least. It was just like...the written word equivalent of a caricature. Like each character was over the top; the most essential that character.
If Blue Man Group acted out the scene, it would be really obvious that they were doing Seinfeld and who was each character, but OTOH if the actual Seinfeld actors were doing it, you'd swear you were watching them do a reunion skit on SNL, not the actual show.
Right? This was absolute cringe beginning to end and people are making it seem like these people should be winning an emmy.
Not that I don't want people having fun writing comments, they're not writers obviously. But seeing this post hail the comments as perfect irks me because they really do miss the mark in many ways.
Zhongda ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 11:45:59 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right? This was absolute cringe beginning to end and people are making it seem like these people should be winning an emmy.
And that right there is somehow dead on simply because the addition of the word "maybe". Suddenly it becomes Elaine and you can hear her saying just that, but with just a "Who do you think it was?" would be utterly bland and not believable of the character. Odd how that small but critical tidbit can be nailed and so much else can be so far off. Lol
They called her Mulva again in a later season where they brought the actress back again to be fair (it was after Jerry had got engaged and then it was called off)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:11:50 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because deloris isn't pronounced dileris? At least Mulva rhymes.
Yeah. Typical case of people trying too hard for karma. I don't see how this was the best thing ever, like it is being described. Then again, how often is anything submitted to bestof of actual quality?
[deleted] ยท 161 points ยท Posted at 22:52:32 on June 6, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure that you know what a reality show is. They play themselves in the same sense that the cast of This Is the End play themselves. You're not meant to believe that they're actual events that have happened.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:29:50 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's actually something jerry would do in the show tho, not George. Jerry has those weird ticks.
They really aren't. I understand your opinion and they, having worked together for decades, share mannerisms and opinons on how social dynamics work, but I see very distinct personalities, with their sense of humors overlapping at several crucial aspects.
EDIT: I should mention my idolization of Lrrry David may make me biased (not that I don't fully respect Seinfeld on close to the same level)
Am I the only one who is always underwhelmed by these threads? I am a huge fan of the show (see my username for example) and would watch multiple episodes every day for about 6 years while I was growing up. People usually do a good job of getting the rhythm down, but the dialogue doesn't come close to the quality of the show. I'm dont mean to crap all over their attempts; I just don't think many people can match the creative genius of Seinfeld, especially if theyre just bullshitting on reddit.
Well yeah you're gonna be underwhelmed if you expect random Redditors to match the quality of one of the most critically acclaimed TV shows ever. It's just for fun.
I don't mean to say it's not fun, I just don't think it "perfectly" captures the essence of the show. Some of the responses in that thread are overdone.
One of the things that made the show so great is Jerry's ability to coin a phrase that captures these everyday uncomfortable interactions, like "shrinkage," "man hands," "spongeworthy," or "close talker." In addition, the dialogue had fantastic observational comedy that was seamlessly integrated. For example, Jerry's bit on "givers" and "takers" in relationships, or when he says that admiring someone's cleavage is like looking at the sun. Oftentimes when I see these threads, they're missing these crucial elements, or providing a cheap impersonation at best. Without it, you're really just writing for an average sitcom like Two and a Half Men.
In this particular example, we are missing both elements of the dialogue. We need Jerry, George, or Elaine to coin a phrase that describes these intrusive huggers, and we need Jerry to talk about the nature of the hug and why Kesha's attempt was a violation of Jerry's perceived societal norms. I'm not going to embarrass myself with an attempt here, but I hope that makes sense to anyone reading this.
I know this is probably coming off as cranky and mean, but I'm really just trying to point out the brilliance of the show that seems to be lost on the average redditor.
Not cranky at all. I think that's spot on. Some of the lines are clever, and they hint at the actual show's perspicacity, but it definitely lacks that "spark." Though Kramer walking in with a chicken did get a laugh from me immediately.
[deleted] ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 01:36:41 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought the chickens and hats was a little wacky even for Kramer.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:18:14 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There has been a very popular episode revolving around Kramer and a chicken, and numerous Kramer and wacky hats episodes.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:47:34 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How many hats do we think Jerry owns?
Like Jerry would just ignore that there's a chicken in his apartment.
I can think of Kramer wearing a wacky hat once off the top of my head and that's in the Joseph and the amazing technicolor dreamcoat episode.
Little Jerry Seinfeld was hilarious but a rooster.
I think the 'hug introduction' could actually be a true Seinfeld joke if developed. The implications of a full hug vs. one of those half hugs with one hand, whether there was a squeeze, or not... G: "Did she squeeze?" J: "No squeeze." Could do a lot with that.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:32:29 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's almost like the writers of Seinfeld were getting paid to produce quality work.
You're comparing comments written in a few minutes off the cuff to episodes that took at least a week to write, with a fall staff of writers. Not really a fair comparison.
Well in fairness, I wasn't the one to make the initial comparison. My comment was the "backlash" to the hundreds of people thinking that those comments were on par with the show.
It's a succinct assessment of writing for Seinfeld. The problem is that when something is done really really well, it looks so easy and natural that people think anybody can do it. Like the Olympics, or talented musicians. But when you see someone screw up, smart people begin to appreciate how difficult it is. Dumb people still think it's easy and think the owner of the screw up is a moron that needs to get off the stage.
On the other hand, I think it's because you're reading this knowing it was written by a bunch of strangers on the internet, who wrote it all on-the-fly without the benefit of a writers room, executive producers and test audiences.
I think the "beauty" of Seinfeld was that the dialog and language was very simplistic. And what made the show popular was all in the delivery and the characters. He had four main, unique characters that all had differences in their timing and delivery of a joke. You could feed each one he same lines and they would all come out different. Watch any rehashed, five white people in a restaurant comedy now and they all just sound the same.
"No soup for you" is, inherently, not a funny line. There's nothing comedic about it. But when you put that in the scenario and context of the four absurdly narcissistic characters and their mini-universes, you can spin gold out of it. Seinfeld (and I'm honestly not a big fan of the show) really nailed the "situation" in sitcom in such a way that few comedies have been able to pull off since, especially for as long a run.
I'm with ya. This basically just combined lazy "what's the deal with ____" seinfeldisms with obvious references from the show (Kramer's chicken, Mulva). Was kind of lame, I sort of can't believe people are loving it so much. Doesn't even really capture the tone of the show that well.
I know, right? You don't even really need to watch much Seinfeld to do what they did. It boiled down to putting a character's name in front of a reference to the show and all of a sudden everyone's cumming all over the 'perfect seinfeld scene'
Wemovil ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:26:55 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a huge fan and I honestly didn't care much for this one. Some of them are okay and closer to the original show than others. But it will never compare to the original.
brkello ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:49:36 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not the only one, that was terrible writing.
I feel like I am in opposite land. I find the story in a lot of games to be decent and people completely tear it apart. Then I see something like this and people gild it and label it best of. Just weird.
It was fine for what it was...a comment on a video, but nothing special.
They are writing in a moments time. Those shows are written and rewritten and rewritten until they have a humming polish. God damn dude, what do you want?
The title of the thread calls it "the perfect Seinfeld scene". It's far from perfect.
_Valisk ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:50:50 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, I expected "the perfect Seinfeld scene." What I got was lame references twisted so they fit the narrative. It's like someone just vaguely knows some Seinfeld references and wanted to join in.
I'll paraphrase another comment I made about these threads. In an actual episode of Seinfeld, this bit of dialogue would feature either a catchphrase (like "man hands" or "close talker") to describe someone who always goes for the hug, or funny observations on hugs and their place in society (like the kiss hello, or the appropriate use of the word breathtaking as a way to describe someone's looks). I'm not expecting anyone to match that genius, but I think it's ridiculous for people to say that it's a perfect or even good replica of the show when it completely whiffs on the stuff that made Seinfeld what it is.
People are way too overly analytical on this stuff. I agree with you. It's not supposed to win an Emmy. It was some people just shooting the shit about a made up seinfeld scene. It's was completely off the cuff. The first time I read it when the thread was still new, it struck me as pretty funny. When I reread it following the bestof link, it wasn't as good. I can see where it would be terrible as an actual script but for some random people improvising a script, it wasn't awful.
Far too many people on this site fall under /r/iamverysmart.
The reason you are underwhelmed is because you are such a huge fan. People who casually know of Seinfeld are the target audience for these kinds of jokes...
The fact that "Mulva" was used multiple times is all you need to know. The fact that it needed to rely on a joke from another episode indicates that it wasn't that great.
Still, it was a pretty impressive effort from the B team. Jerry Seinfeld and Larry David obviously would be expected to lay down a much better script - that's why they're worth more money than God.
The problem is that your reading a counterfeit Seinfeld scene. Even when shows hire new writing staff, the staff is trained for the voice of the show. They'll spend time understanding the actors and how to write for them on top of the assumption that they'd already have an idea before being hired.
Sitcoms had one show a week a usually two or three teams each working on an episode. That means a whole episode might take anywhere from two to three weeks to write.
Reddit will never produce anything of that quality.
atacms ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:03:53 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's cool cause I don't even like Seinfeld so watching different users stitch together their thought process is way more entertaining to me
People calling him a dick go out side and ask to hug random people and see how they react. He probably has dozens of people everyday coming up to him and doing these types of things. It's very understandable. Isn't he like 60, how the fuck would he know who Kesha is.
An honest and well-reasoned response. I'm 30 and wouldn't reject a hug from most strangers, but its more than likely cultural (mid-westerner). FWIW, I thought he was kind of a dick, too.
I can't remember which episode of Comedians of Cars Getting Coffee it was, I think maybe Bill Burr? Anyways, the guest makes a joke about how Seinfeld does really clean comedy, but there is a hidden rage underneath it all. The more I watch that show, the more I feel like it's true. It's subtle, but noticeable. Jerry Seinfeld has more contempt for people than almost any person I've ever seen on television. I don't mean that in a bad way. I think it's part of what makes most comedians (except for maybe Jimmy Fallon) good. It's just fascinating.
He doesn't seem to know who she is. Which isn't at all strange, considering his age. I remember that one song she did but I wouldn't being able to recognize her. Maybe he just doesn't want a hug from a random woman?
Dr4cul3 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 07:28:33 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, unless you actively follow pop music I don't think it's all that strange to not know who she is.. I know her name, but without googling her I wouldn't know what kesha looks like
Not only his age but Kesha also hasn't dropped new music since 2013 when she did that collab with Pitbull and she only started being famous in 2009. I know she has had that whole lawsuit thing going on which has put her production on hold but I honestly wouldn't have recognized or thought of her either because it has been so long since I have heard anyone talk about her.
I love Joe Pesci but if I ever see him I'm not even gonna make eye contact let alone touch him. Some people have that demeanor about them where you just know. Jerry is like that. So is Gene Hackman...
How? How is not wanting a hug from a stranger a dick move? How is she not rude for pressing for the hug after recent rejection; forcing a more stern response from him?
I'm guessing it might be from the "I wish her the best" line being interpreted as "she can f off" which I can somewhat see it coming off like that a little but I understand the hug rejection part
Dan4t ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 04:33:42 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a dick if I don't want a hug from a stronger? Seriously?
I watched the very first Star Trek movie for the first time, this year. The whole thing was full of basic cliches, I had to keep reminding myself that those would not have been cliches at the time it was released!
Actually, I went to see the first Star Trek when it came out with my high school Sci Fi club... we were disappointed. It really just sucked, even when it came out.
The first star trek movie is the only good one in my book. Reminds me of one of my favourite movies, 2001 a space odyssey, and was the most like the show. The tng movies were even worse than the tos films though. I'd have loved a DS9 movie. Instead of turning tng into an action movie when it was never about action, turn the actual action heavy star trek series into a big production movie with a huge dominion battle or something
Well, maybe it is because I watched it when I was 21 (and have not read the books). But i felt that ut was pretty bland and lacked any real since of sacrifice or loss at the end. It felt like a child's fairy tale, and I guess I was expecting something else from the godfather of fantasy.
However, I would not by any stretch of the imagination say LOTR was bad. But as someone who gushes over The Elder Scrolls and Game of Thrones i thought i would be blown away. But I realize at the same time that LOTR is what made those other series possible. It was the skeleton that the bodies grew on. Everyone took inspiration from tolkien and ran with the ideas, and made new things from them. In comparison, however, the LOTR felt extremely meh. It's value, to me, lies in the tremendous influence it has had on pop culture and literature.
jsnakal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:53:00 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Read the conclusion in that article you just linked dipshit. You can't just link random articles and pretend like they're at all relevant to the conversation. This study (and their conclusion) has nothing to do with rating music as objectively good or bad.
newsagg ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:30:13 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's what makes it objective. That's what I said. Good and bad are relative terms.
You're probably gonna get killed with downvotes, but I see where you are coming from. I don't think their music is shit, but I'm not a fan. It bores me. I can see the importance of it though.
That was kind of the point. It was a show about four selfish, insufferable people. Even the series finale played on this: The group stood around watching an overweight man get mugged in public. They were taken to court over their inaction, and the court proceedings were just an endless string of people they'd wronged over the course of the series.
xoites ยท -15 points ยท Posted at 03:39:20 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then I missed the point.
To me telling a story is about showing people how to better themselves.
Having a series that shows people being assholes for years and then putting them in jail is not uplifting or interesting.
xoites ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 06:10:47 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, I watch Little Mermurderer and Finding an Killing Nemo exclusively.
Dan4t ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 04:40:36 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Showing the bad is another way of showing people how to better themselves. A lesson on what not to do, and highlight the absurdity of their selfishness.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:14:46 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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xoites ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:26:58 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To me telling a story is about showing people how to better themselves.
That's a very shallow view of storytelling. If those are the types of stories that you personally prefer, that's one thing. But if all stories were sugar-coated preachiness, I think storytelling as an art form would have died out millenia ago.
Having a series that shows people being assholes for years and then putting them in jail is not uplifting or interesting.
Well, of course it was more than just that. That'd be like writing off The Simpsons because it's just "a dysfunctional nuclear family who live in the suburbs."
xoites ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:25:19 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A story doesn't need to be uplifting or sugar coated to show people how to better themselves. Look at Breaking Bad.
When people get involved in characters they don't even have to like them to be invested in them. Seinfeld threw them all under the bus.
xoites ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 03:25:33 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know. I saw that, but that was my impression during the entire series although I only saw random episodes at other people's houses when I was visiting and they were watching.
The "Soup Nazi?"
You want a bowl of soup that you like and the guy who cooks it is an asshole?
Go make it yourself and stop whining.
ptemple ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:59:02 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a satire on what people put themselves through to be part of the "in" crowd. Like "face control" outside a nightclub, or a snobby maรฎtre d at a trendy restaurant. The joke is that the snobbery has become so pervasive that it's worked its way all the way down to take-away soup. It can be just any soup, it has to be THAT soup.
Jerry: what's the point of the hugging? You're standing there and someone presses their body on you? Then you gotta hold it- no good.
Elaine: what about a side hug?
Jerry: that's even worse! I want to avoid human contact of all kind.
Kramer slides in: I heard you rejected Kesha!
Jerry: your right I did and I would do it again, I'm against hugging of all kind!
kx3876 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:08:57 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Never thought he was funny, never thought his show was funny, never understood people who think that shit is funny.
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narf007 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 07:36:48 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just because someone doesn't find joy in something that you do isn't a problem. It does not matter if they're 'young'. I see this nonsense on here far too often. Everything is subjective. Yet if any person on this forum says anything slightly against the "hive mind" they're downvoted and buried.
That's not fair and it's completely ridiculous. Allow other people to have their own opinions.
I happen to agree. I don't think he's funny. I don't think anything he's done is funny. The show does not entertain me and seems more like a chore to endure. I'm not going to crucify someone because they like him though. Posting links and evidence and etc that one thinks supports their opinion will do nothing. It's an opinion.
The Reddit circle jerk around Seinfeld is horrendous. Much like many other concepts and topics. Let people have their own opinion and respect it.
That's it. This is it. I'm done. Through. It's over. I'm gone. Finished. Over. I will never work for you again. Look at you. You think you're an important man? Is that what you think? You are a laughingstock. You are a joke. These people are laughing at you. You're nothing! You have no brains, no ability, nothing!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:29:08 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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narf007 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:39:34 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't mean it to seem like an attack on you or anything. That's my bad. I just get very fed up with this forum and it's tunnel vision with certain topics. You go against the hive mind and this happens. I was just throwing it out as a general complaint. The entire thread was filled with mostly comments agreeing that it was great then every time someone posted their different opinion they were told they're wrong. It's their opinion. That's not the appropriate way to go about sharing information.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:04:28 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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narf007 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:08:03 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm guessing you didn't read the article he linked. It's about how when shows come out with something original, it gets mimicked and elaborated upon by many shows which follow it. So when someone new comes along who has watched all shows which derived from the original, and then watches the original afterwards, it seems completely unoriginal.
So his comment is not so much a dig against 'youth' as much as it is pointing out the fact that younger audiences compare it to the refined and even over-saturated product which they grew up with.
Kind of like how bullet time was done in so many movies after that, and as technology got better it looked even better than it did in the matrix, and then got to a point where everyone got sick of it. So someone coming from that background and then seeing the Matrix for the first time would think it's a really boring sequence compared to how someone who watched it in theaters for the first time was way more likely to be blown away by it.
That said, I grew up when Seinfeld was coming out, and I really didn't enjoy the humor and I agree with your opinion of the guy. Funnily enough, I enjoy these reddit creations more than the actual show.
keppp ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:20:11 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's apparently seen what Seinfeld has to offer. So I don't think it's fair to say he hasn't attempted to like it.
I don't think he was dismissing Seinfeld. He's saying entertainment is subjective, and that you can't just say that if someone doesn't like it it's because of their age.
Now, I like Seinfeld and TVTropes, and the guy above did come off as fairly aggressive. But you don't know how old the guy is.
keppp ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:40:28 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone asked him if he was young and he completely dodged the question. Doesn't take a genius to connect the dots.
Well you might have been right, but there was no real reason to assume he was young.
McGooby ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:34:52 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't hug Kesha either, but then again, I'm a nobody, and even with my nobody status, I wouldn't do it in such a dick way. Seinfeld, you are a dick!
McGooby ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 07:21:29 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It wouldn't have mattered, because no one would have been watching me. The thing here is, Seinfeld knew he was being watched, he was just being a big fucking douchebag, especially commenting afterwards about it. But, OK, for me, what I do if I don't want a hug or a kiss on the cheek, is step back and put my hand out for a handshake instead.
He would've likely acted that way even if he were not as rich as he is. He didn't accept random hugs from people when he was doing stand up before he got a show.
He just doesn't like to be hugged by strange weirdos that think they can force physical contact on someone. Why does that make him a jerk?
I don't think that inviting someone to touch your hand after politely telling them that you don't want them to touch you is a good idea. She could easily have taken advantage of that and pulled in for a hug, then he looks like an attacker if he pushes her off.
What a dick. He's on the carpet being interviewed, obviously anyone there has been vetted. I know Keisha isn't popular but cmon, what an asshole. Weirdo germaphobe, stay indoors.
Pnewse ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 02:51:54 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
GoSioux14 ยท 1926 points ยท Posted at 22:46:17 on June 6, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/RedditWritesSeinfeld - easily the best thing I've found today thanks to this thread.
GotTiredOfMyName ยท 1626 points ยท Posted at 01:06:19 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
iirc in his AMA he was linked that sub along with the "seinfeld in modern day" twitter, and Jerry Seinfeld said that he found all of the posts unfunny, that they would never make good episodes, and then ranted about how being funny is really hard work.
I mean, I'm not the worlds most successful comedian, so what do I know, but that comment really rubbed me the wrong way, so seeing that video of the hug refusal isnt surprising at all
UnknownStory ยท 136 points ยท Posted at 03:24:45 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I found the AMA question on "Seinfeld Today" and "Seinfeld2000" but not anything about the /r/RedditWritesSeinfeld subreddit. Was it buried in comments or something?
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 03:57:03 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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ddpowkk ยท 183 points ยท Posted at 05:30:29 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait so that thing you said straight up didnt happen?
TroyEire ยท 66 points ยท Posted at 07:02:01 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uhm... This should probably be higher up?
Edit: Seriously. I'm on bacon reader so I don't know if that makes a difference but the very first comment that shows is the parent comment to this reply.... And the reply is the highest voted. It takes awhile to scroll down to see that... It just isn't the case? Kind of a big thing here, or am I going crazy?
classy_barbarian ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 12:56:54 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Welcome to reddit, where facts don't matter and the hive-mind controls all.
infiniteice ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 05:49:41 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who would ever post falsehoods on the internet?!?!
heyf00L ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:22:04 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He put "iirc" so he's fine.
Also, this is the Internet, why would you believe him in the first place?
whycuthair ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 06:28:25 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You should edit your comment then. I skimmed through the twitters and they really weren't that funny. Maybe if he had a chance to see the sub he would have thought differently.
classy_barbarian ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 12:57:47 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The truth is there's very little in that sub thats actually funny.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 13:01:38 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea people just oversimplify the show and use the same formula...none of them are that funny or have much thought put into them. Like one of the responses in the thread linked in OP has George label Kesha as a "hugger" in the same vein as "close-talker" or whatever...that's just low effort
thebasher ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:06:18 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea the Twitter is awful. That subreddit has a few really great submissions, though. You also just can't fit a funny/intertwined plot in 140 characters.
shaqalicious ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:17:25 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
seinfeld2000 is a parody of how shitty Seinfeld today is
that's the origin of the jery get ipad memes
UnknownStory ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 04:00:24 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, you did say "iirc" so I wasn't holding you to it or anything.
classy_barbarian ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:57:18 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
then edit your comment to the truth.
George_E_Hale ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:06:19 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Please edit your previous comment.
just_comments ยท 1108 points ยท Posted at 01:12:14 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's a bit of a dick. It's who he is and part of why he's funny.
RainbowRiot ยท 787 points ยท Posted at 02:19:36 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's the nicest mean guy you'd ever meet.
I feel like that's why Larry David is sort of his counterpart.
He's the meanest nice guy.
NOWiEATthem ยท 359 points ยท Posted at 02:41:10 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My uncle met Larry David at a golfing tournament and gave him a lift to the airport. Said he was completely cool and nice, nothing like his screen persona.
RainbowRiot ยท 229 points ยท Posted at 02:43:33 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like your uncle didn't hassle him. I've seen in interviews he hates the whole celebrity treatment
IKnowUThinkSo ยท 254 points ยท Posted at 03:07:36 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I worked at Disney and saw all kinds of celebrities (both real ones and self-defined). Imagine if everyone who saw you acted like they knew you, but the "you" that they "know" is based on someone that isn't the real you and wanted to initiate contact based on that incorrect perspective; I can imagine that that gets emotionally taxing really quickly. I barely have the energy to see my actual friends at the store when it's unexpected (but I'm an isolationist and I like it that way), much less someone I don't know who's acting like they know me.
We were told at disney to basically act like they were anyone else, and they are "anyone else" when crowds are huge at DL.
There's also a story about how I yelled at Kobe's friends one night because of that rule, but that's what happens when you walk away from your plaid and act like you own the place.
MichaelMyersFanClub ยท 87 points ยท Posted at 03:28:13 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is this what the cool kids are saying these days?
IKnowUThinkSo ยท 65 points ยท Posted at 04:01:41 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My bad. Employees who work in Guest Relations (especially those that do tours) wear an obvious plaid vest. We shorthanded that to all GR people being called "plaids" even if you were a suited tour guide (for VIPs).
driving26inorovalley ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 05:46:18 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dang, I thought this was going to be the new "on fleek."
http://imgur.com/a/DqvFB
TheCowboyIsAnIndian ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 08:05:43 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
hey man, dont walk away from your plaid!
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MichaelMyersFanClub ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:32:07 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No worries; I was sorta joking anyway. I wasn't aware of the plaid vest thing!
kloudykat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:20:23 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Again, on behalf of everyone on Reddit that was mildly curious about the plaid comment but were too lazy to comment asking about it, we salute you.
/u/MichaelMyersFanClub, the hero that we can all respect and strive to be like!
kloudykat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:21:04 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for the delightful insight sir or madam. It's stuff like this that makes Reddit priceless to me.
kloudykat ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 03:56:31 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Glad you cared enough to ask.
I was curious...but not so curious as to comment asking about the plaid.
Thank you MMFanClub
Aethermancer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:43:44 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's an important rule to followwhen you're Scottish and traditional.
Never walk away from your plaid.
xfileluv ยท 55 points ยท Posted at 04:11:37 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Anyone else" until it comes time to special treatment, such as being sent to the front of the line, being carted around the park all day via the "secret" routes to avoid the unwashed masses, etc. They want to be anyone else but not live anyone else kind of lives.
I worked at Cedar Point and heard that Lenny Kravitz was the most beautiful celeb guest ever. He wore maroon velvet outfit for his day at CP. He suffered if it was a typical late June thru early Sept day on shores of Lake Erie.
IKnowUThinkSo ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 04:19:42 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I won't name anyone specifically on the bad side, but we (in attractions) disliked the celebrities that forced whole attractions to come to a halt just cause they wanted to sit in front or ride with the pilot or whatever. I was pretty well known on my attractions for not giving two shits about who you were; everyone has to wait in line, it's not that long. That family just paid 400 bucks to be here today, they deserve the fun too.
Also, as a side note, I saw way more celebrities in hats and sunglasses than I did getting led around by a cast member. One day, I had to be told that I had just given Adam Scott a car on Autopia cause I seriously wasn't paying attention to faces. You just don't have enough time to really interact with them, even if you wanted to gush.
bg-j38 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 06:31:34 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm so terrible at most celebrity stuff. I had to go look up who Adam Scott was, and I watched and loved all of Parks and Rec. I really tend to ignore a lot of the people around me or just tune out their faces at least. Someone told me the other day that I was standing next to Francis Ford Coppola for a couple minutes. I had no idea. Not that I'd gush over him if I did. He's a great director, but I doubt he'd be too interested in interacting with me at a random event.
tang81 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:23:45 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've talked to two pro sports stars because their daughters cheered on the same team as my daughter, Ryan Clark and Pascal Dupuis. Totally didn't recognize them. To me they were just another miserable cheer dad.
Clark didn't go to much. I don't blame him because he would get swamped for autographs everywhere he went. Unless it was out of state. Though I'm pretty sure he was annoyed when I didn't recognize him and my response when he told me he worked for the Steelers was an unenthusiastic, "oh, cool."
fiduke ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:22:05 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One day I was in line for ice cream at a Carvel or something. Guy in front of me is ordering a cone or milkshake. Then the lady behind me quietly says quiet 'excuse me?....' then a little louder 'Um, excuse me?' I look at her and she's staring down the older guy in front of me. He does this kinda slow turn to see what's going on. The lady says "OMG are you blah blah?" and he's like "yes I am." She starts gushing and asking for autographs and pictures. He obliges. He gives me a look that says "Do you want a picture too while I'm doing this?" I tell him I'm just here for the ice cream. No clue who he was. I felt awkward and a little bad... like maybe he'd prefer if I got a picture with him?
Celebrities seem a lot more normal in person.
Yuuichi_Trapspringer ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:16:01 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Having grown up in Clearwater, FL I've seen a few celebrities face to face, most of them professional wrestlers when I was working at different stores in my youth. Only one I ever helped twice was Hulk Hogan (before the scandals) who I helped when I worked at Toys R Us one christmas as well as at Best Buy.
Always treated them normal like anyone else. 'Celebrity' culture has never interested me much. They are just normal people that put their pants on one leg at a time, eat, drink and poo like anyone else.
Lelden ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 05:13:37 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Part of the problem is that they it's difficult for them to "live anyone else kind of lives." I mean the workers at Disneyland might get paid to treat them like normal, but walking around a park is a good way to get noticed and gather crowds when you just want to enjoy the rides. Some obviously get recognized more than others, but I can understand not wanting to wait in long lines or walk around the park for risk of getting noticed, but still wanting to have fun. And there is going too far with that kind of behavior, so I'm not excusing everything celebrities do, but I could understand getting tired of everyone asking your autograph or even wanting to shake hands or say hello throughout the day you wanted to relax and have fun.
dWintermut3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:21:20 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can sort of understand this on a lot of levels though. When I walk through a crowd it's annoying sure but I don't get hassled and stopped for autographs or told people's opinions of my relationships and work performance.
Plus there's the safety issue, there's much risk that I'm going to be beaten by a guy demanding to know the frequency I can use to stop the CIA mind control signal my channel broadcasts (happened to Dan Rather when walking near his home), or accosted by a stalker.
RainbowRiot ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 03:11:37 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are totally right. Regardless of who you are, it's taxiing to have to constantly engage with people. I know people who work in the entertainment industry. They are exhausted after a single night.
I can't imagine the horror of being a celebrity, it seems more a curse to me. Because you can be successful without every jackass with a camera knowing where you live.
Razzler1973 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 06:52:21 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also, extension of everyone having a camera and social media is you could be the nicest celeb in the world, got time for everyone and then one day you're having a bad day and you don't have time to sign an autograph and then that is all over social media and everything thinks you're a wanker!
(not the Seinfeld thing, I mean in general)
Pantzfemme ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 03:34:44 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Meh, can't feel that bad for them. They make more money than the vast majority of us ever will. Every job comes with a price. If they can't handle it, they should have picked a different career.
RainbowRiot ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 03:55:34 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah they experience a type of crazy we never will. John Lennon was killed by a "fan". Bjork was almost mailed a bomb by an obsessed stalker. People break into their homes and property. Even Charles Manson's little cult purposely targeted celebrities with the goal of causing a race war.
The puplic eye, is the singular most horrific glance I can imagine a single person could experience.
MMH_Injustice ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:57:37 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The second half of your comment was oddly poetic.. Well done
OldWampus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:11:17 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We'll call the punctuation error "poetic license" then.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:32:46 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then they should be paid a lot fucking less. I'll deal with crazy people for George Clooney money.
eddie1975 ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 05:34:49 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. Don't feel bad for me because I'm rich and famous. Those are mostly non issues. I fly on my own airplane and have a driver wherever I go. I get VIP tickets and go in the back door. I have a huge house that's gated in a gated community. I own an island so that's were I vacation to. On the road I book the entire floor of a hotel and usually get a dedicated elevator. Doctors come to see me. It's not a bad life. I'm very busy though so not much sleep. In fact, time to get up now. Wake up Eddie! Oh shit I'm poor.
dWintermut3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:23:17 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The real horror is the B-list, where you don't have the money to buy the privacy but still have significant notability.
eddie1975 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:31:47 on June 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So my 8 year old says he's going to invent a battery that lasts a year and fits in everything. "I'll be rich and famous".
I told him it's better to be rich and not famous. He said, "How can I not be famous when everything is running on my battery?"
I said "Wear a mustache, like Mario."
He said, "They'll still figure it out."
I said, "Wear a wig."
He said "That might work."
liesthroughhisteeth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:46:42 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure for many having this type of notoriety was one of the driving forces behind their efforts to become well known entertainers. Sometimes you have to be more careful about what you wish for.
ganhadagirl ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:27:32 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Disneyland was my favorite job ever. I sometimes wish I could work there again.
catatonichigh ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:07:22 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really have no pitty for celebrities that get offended or emotionally taxed by fans. They are paid king ransoms for their roles. These are the same people who have enough to buy private islands. Now taking your logic imagine people trying to initiate contact based on a perspective. Imagine the police, homeless people, or retail workers, strippers. Everyone experience interactions with other people based on the others perceived perspective. Singling out the celebrities and saying they have it rough, is a joke, we all have it rough.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:31:58 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Celebrities should put up with everything because they are fucking famous multimillions who get paid for nothing compared to what normal people go through. Fuck anyone like that who refuses a fucking handshake.
MyManD ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:09:21 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Makes you wonder that if you're just nice and normal to most celebrities they'll be nice and normal back! Hmmm, no that can't be right.
bamdrew ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 05:26:43 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's probably right. Jerry is truly annoyed by everything, Larry is quicker to see the humor in annoyance, and make a joke. Then they riff off each other around the thing that annoyed Jerry.
J:'This restaurant smells. I thought this was a trendy place?'
L:'You're right, they should hand out the little car deodorizers with the menus.'
J:'Yeah, or name the restaurant after it, like, "Le Garbahj"'
Just banter, but it's like Jerry has this endless spring of annoyances that Larry appreciates and helped spin into gold.
translinguistic ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:23:30 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He has some very, very weird feelings about gay people you will pick up on if you watch enough of his recent projects.
offlein ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:48:38 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Any examples?
binkerfluid ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:30:12 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He thinks they are all going to hell but everyone he has met has had a fantastic tasting cock
nepenthegram ยท 113 points ยท Posted at 01:59:37 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I think it's okay to think someone's funny but not want to hang out with them.
o2lsports ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 03:14:06 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well he's also right. The only genuinely hysterical attempt was the 9/11 episode.
SYNTHLORD ยท 77 points ยท Posted at 02:57:51 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno, Larry David is a bit of a dick and it's hilarious.
IMO Jerry Seinfeld is both a dick and unfunny. Like, if I saw Larry David deny Kesha a hug, I'd think "holy cow, that's really funny, Larry probably has this whole thing about not hugging anyone"
when I saw Jerry Seinfeld deny her a hug, I thought "Geez, Jerry must have some condescending opinion about Kesha as a pop star or something"
MyManD ยท 167 points ยท Posted at 03:10:19 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But he literally had no idea who she was and just saw a dirty looking woman trying to give him a hug while he was giving an interview.
I don't know whether he's an actual asshole normally or not but in this scenario I'd probably pull away from the woman too.
morriscey ยท 97 points ยท Posted at 03:58:18 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He wasn't even a dick about it really. No thanks you, with a smile is about as polite as it gets.
I was all ready to see some petty kerfuffle, but no, he was as nice as interrupting strange woman deserves
SyfaOmnis ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 05:55:01 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nicer than an interrupting strange woman deserves. Matt Damon would have probably told her "I'm doing an interview here; Piss off" or something to that extent.
Secret4gentMan ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 07:51:54 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which would be completely reasonable to my mind.
daneelr_olivaw ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:05:37 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At least he didn't say this to her...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqDhKFqDk34
SYNTHLORD ยท 58 points ยท Posted at 03:12:46 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I could see myself doing the same thing too. I guess I was a little unfair to Jerry on this one.
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 04:46:31 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, and you know if the genders were reversed, everyone would say, good, dirty man is not entitled to a hug. check your privilege!
spes-phthisica ยท 75 points ยท Posted at 05:13:45 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"dirty looking woman" uh she looked fine, like every other pop star at a red carpet event. like he didn't want to hug her it's fine but u guys are acting like she approached him with meth pipe in hand wearing a rag she dug out of a nearby dumpster.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 06:25:27 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She looks daaaaaaaam fine but in a trashy way, but then again I have a soft spot for trashy girls.
blaghart ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:52:34 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In that past that could realistically have been something Kesha would have worn...
MyIQis76 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:51:45 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Would you want to hug some random 30 year old?
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 11:22:03 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wish more people would hug random 30 year olds :(
spes-phthisica ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:58:09 on June 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably not, which is why I said "he didn't want to hug her and that's fine". I'm just making the point that her being/looking "dirty" wasn't the cause of it. Jerry's kind of a germaphobe in general from what I understand, he probably doesn't want any random people touching him.
Razzler1973 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 06:54:17 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is my feeling too.
Also, just cause you're famous does it mean you owe everyone a hug?
Strangers approach celebs but of course they have no idea who we are? The stranger rarely introduces themself and they obviously know the celeb but the celeb has no clue about them.
Always find it weird, we can greet them like they're friends but in reality they're wondering who the fuck we are shaking hands or asking for a hug.
MichaelMyersFanClub ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 03:33:40 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Last I heard of her was that she was a trainwreck that finally went to rehab.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 03:53:57 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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TheAdventMaster ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 04:26:11 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're not the only one. I never really found Seinfeld funny. It mostly annoys me. Kramer bursting through the doors was probably the funniest part of the show to me.
notsowittyname86 ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 05:56:39 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's litterally the least funny running gag in Seinfeld. Maybe you're just more into slapstick humour.
price-iz-right ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 07:05:20 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I felt George (with Kramer runner up) was the funniest on the show.
When I found out he's based on LD it explained so much as to why I find Curb more funny than Seinfeld.
notsowittyname86 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:29 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
George is definitely my favorite.
TheAdventMaster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:45:18 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think part of my issue is I never related much to any of the Seinfeld characters. I get the situational aspects of it, but for the most-part, I didn't relate to them at all. It's stuff I always associated with "old people" who "had issues".
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:26:35 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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john_denisovich ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:29:29 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ke$ha is black?
liberalmonkey ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:33:50 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently no. The hand went quickly and looked dark on my screen so I assumed wrongly.
binkerfluid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:33:00 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's probably because he was the biggest star in the planet or close and would get a lot of attention and at some point he probably had to draw the line about people wanting to do stuff with him. Also he probably had no idea who she was and she just interrupted an interview he was doing so he probably thought it was rude and not some celebrity drop in on the interview thing.
racamonkey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:50 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
LOL it's funny how you make up this grudge, when Seinfeld literally said at the end, "I have no idea who that is."
Razzler1973 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:50:51 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have heard him talking about strangers coming up to him and he doesn't seem super comfortable with it. I am sure he had no clue who that was and someone comes up and wants a hug ... yeah, I can see, middle of an interview, why he'd turn that down
ambivalentasfuck ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:33:15 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This. You can definitely see some of his attitude and ego bleed out in Comedians in Cars getting Coffee.
He's a funny guy, no dispute, as Louis CK describes him in Talking Funny, he is something of a virtuoso when it comes to comedy. But he clearly equates a lot of his success - particularly financial success - with HIMSELF. He's got the ego of a person reinforced with hundreds of millions of dollars and constant adoration. I don't blame him, but I would argue he isn't the best role model of how to be a cool and considerate and humble person.
Xanaxdabs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:41:32 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe it's because he has I-Dont-Give-A-Fuck money.
YungSnuggie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:36:40 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i mean literally him and larry's entire comedic brand is based off of how much everything and everyone annoys them yea they're gonna be dickbags irl
thesunsucks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:16:22 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's right though. Seinfeld aired in the mid to early nineties. Did they ever ONCE reference Vanilla Ice, Nirvana, Dr. Dre/NWA, Color me Bad, Salt N' Peppa, or any other dumb pop star bullshit? No. They made up fake movies and plays like Rochelle Rochelle, Prognosis Negative, and Death Blow, because Seinfeld was not a show about the nineties, it was just an incredibly smart show about terrible doing NOTHING and over analyzing EVERYTHING. These kind of rewritings of Seinfeld for the modern age are sometimes funny memes that follow the basic voice of Jerry and Larry but honestly they have NOTHING to do with the show. The best Seinfeld episodes are about stuff like suicide or masturbation or being stuck in a parking garage, things we still deal with 25 years later.
istara ยท 192 points ยท Posted at 02:08:42 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I used to watch Seinfeld with a friend who was convinced that the early episodes with excerpts of Jerry's stand up were supposed to be "deliberately bad and unfunny" and the joke was that he was a shitty comedian. That he was a kind of spoof of a stand up comic (like Alan Partridge as a parody of a TV presenter).
It took years to convince him (plus more footage of his actual act) to convince him that this was the real deal.
aa24577 ยท 124 points ยท Posted at 02:30:06 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought that. I still think Jerry is not a great stand up. The show is great but idk why that is
Mr_HandSmall ยท 90 points ยท Posted at 02:38:10 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, what? I thought the bits where he did comedy were like a self-satire. It's just regular stand up. I'll be damned. His delivery is so dry.
Isthiscreativeenough ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 04:06:27 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Saw him do standup on some talk show a few years ago. It wad truly awful, cringe inducing - I had to turn it off.
aa24577 ยท 83 points ยท Posted at 02:47:51 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah his stand up has really always been bad. It's just really strange because the writing in his show is so self-aware and kind of self-deprecating and meta and just very hip for the time, but his stand up is so goddamn boring. It's just super clean observational humor. There are some jokes of his that I enjoy but overall it's very dry and boring to me.
I always wonder if he'd be nearly as popular or revered as a comedian if it weren't for the show.
But if anyone has some insight into his comedy that I'm overlooking (or some clips or anything), I'd be open to changing my view.
[deleted] ยท 129 points ยท Posted at 03:18:23 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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aa24577 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 03:38:39 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm talking critically. Like in terms of his influence among other comedians and critics and stuff. Like I think Cosby would still be super influential if it wasn't for his show because many comedians still loved his stand up
blaghart ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 06:56:55 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You realize Seinfeld's standup is also well regarded yea? In fact he's regarded as unfunny now for the same reason that Seinfeld the show is regarded as unfunny by modern viewers who didn't grow up with it, he basically laid the foundation of modern humor in America.
aa24577 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:01:39 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But the show always seemed really ahead of its time compared to other shows during that period in a way that his stand up didn't. There were other comics doing way better stand up at the time
1000000thSubscriber ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:57:41 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well then it's no wonder American sitcoms are shit.
dannzo_29 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:32:08 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The same still applies. Obviously if he didn't create his most critically-acclaimed work, he'd be less influential.
aa24577 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:22:51 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
stand up stuff is always going to be more influential among comedians than a tv show
dannzo_29 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:08 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure co-creating and starring in one of the greatest TV shows of all-time is pretty influential to other comedians as well. So of course it would make a large dent in his reputation if he never did it.
aa24577 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:53 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Many comedians with successful TV shows would still have a good reputation if it wasn't for their TV show. I'm saying I don't really think Jerry would be in that boat
dannzo_29 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:51:44 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He definitely wouldn't be in that boat. But it's like comparing apples and oranges, no stand-up comic has a more successful show than Jerry Seinfeld.
WhirlingDervishes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:55:16 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Idk just about every other comedian regards him as the best or one of the best. They don't just say he was a great writer but they speak about him in awe almost about his stand up career. I saw a special of his where he talked about going through an airport and I thought it would be hack comedy but it was consistently funny. But a lot of his other stand up I didn't care for. Idk.
whycuthair ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 06:24:09 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That his thing, clean humour . He thinks it's too easy to get laughs out of people when you yell fuck or shit every minute, Dane Cook style.
admiralfilgbo ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 03:37:57 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If it helps, even when his show was on the air, his observational standup was roundly mocked (WHAT'S the DEEEALL with THAT?!?). As the show went on to become more popular, his standup segues into the episodes thinned out, and sometimes the show itself made fun of the character jerry for being a derivative although successful comedian.
Seinfeld's standup material was broad enough for him to get a pilot. He sort of lucked into being the star of a show with one of the best all time casts and group of writers. But basically everyone who has success in media owes it to some degree of luck. He was perfect for that show, and that show was perfect. He can do or say basically whatever he wants now - he's earned his lifetime pass.
aa24577 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 03:42:07 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think that's why a lot of us thought that it was intentionally put there.
that's interesting though, i wasn't aware of that. but yeah i always just figured that he was good enough to luck into getting the best writers and concept for a show really ever. but that's a lot of luck. he's not the best actor either.
but either way it worked out pretty perfectly. just wish he wasn't such a dick about it
huskersax ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:36:34 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Over time the Jerry "impression" became ubiquitous and was the defining feature of a bad comic, much like a bad impressionist and their "Walken".
So the impression of a "shitty comic" and "Jerry" merged with each other, such that when younger people watch vintage Jerry he checks every box on their "not funny" list; long drawn out syllables, no cursing, purely observational jokes etc...
heyf00L ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:25:18 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is shortly after the show ended, but here's an example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwSpDDczIdg
ohgodwhydidIjoin ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 03:20:42 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know how this is even a question. Would Bill Cosby even be remembered if not for the Cosby show?
South_Dakota_Boy ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 04:57:35 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely he would. His standup was superb. If you can get past his failings for an hour, go watch "Himself". Possibly the best and most iconic comedy album ever. Definitely up there with Pryor, and Carlin, and so family friendly too.
It kills me that he might be (probably is) a rapist, because I grew up on his comedy. :(
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:24:36 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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fergie9275 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 07:26:26 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, Carlin was/is pretty famous by any metric.
Even if you don't follow standup, he did something like 30 movies. He was the narrator for Thomas the Fucking Tank Engine for half a decade. He is widely regarded as one of the top 3 comedians in American history. Hosted the first SNL. Come on.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:35:49 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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saintjonah ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:53:23 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know a single person, not one, who wouldn't know who George Fucking Carlin is. He's iconic. Fucking everyone knows who he is. I mean, maybe a kid wouldn't know. Like if I asked a 13 year old...sure. But they probably don't know who Bill Cosby is either. Or Jerry Seinfeld. But someone over 25? They probably know.
ohgodwhydidIjoin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:39:35 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Every person I remember asking is over 20.
saintjonah ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:42:20 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's insane. I don't know a single person who doesn't know who Carlin is.
ohgodwhydidIjoin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:57:20 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I suspect part of the void between our experiences lies in the age difference that I suspect is present between you and I. I would guess you 28-35 while I am about 24. I am going to ask some of my older coworkers about him.
I don't know why my post was so contentious though. The Cosby Show was a classic sitcom. So Cosby had about the same exposure as Carlin in standup, but also had the added fandom from his TV show. Sure there is overlap between the sitcom watchers and the standup audience, but by covering both audiences, even in their primes Cosby would logically have an edge.
As far as a lasting legacy, the same argument exists. Think of the great sitcoms and the Cosby show is top 10.
Jesus fuckshitpisscocksuckermotherfucker though this discussion got off course. Sorry for ruffling feathers.Edit: Just as an aside, Carlin is probably my favorite comedian. I loved the cats vs. dogs bit.
fergie9275 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:48:09 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fair enough. I don't think your individual experience is reflective of the general adult population of the US that is in anyway exposed to popular culture.
KingPellinore ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:49:18 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Chicken Heart That Ate Chicago is a goddamn masterpiece. I still can't listen to it anymore, though.
aa24577 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 03:37:37 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know, many comedians absolutely adore Cosby's stand up, so maybe they would still love him even if he didn't have the show. I just wonder if Jerry is in the same boat or not. Who really loves Jerry as a stand up?
udusbhof ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:21:15 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lots of people, honestly. He got popular very very quickly as a stand-up, where most of the greats struggled for years.
aa24577 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:40:01 on June 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That just surprises me. I don't really understand it honestly. It doesn't compare to other stand ups to me, even before his time (pryor)
kh9hexagon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:49:56 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure there's something we would know him for.
ohgodwhydidIjoin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:55:30 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah. Yes. The big flaw with him. A real shame to be honest. Every time I think about it I cringe.
Those damn ugly sweaters.
ohgodwhydidIjoin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:59:27 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously though, if another comedian of the same level gets nabbed like him, it isn't as big of a deal as it was with him. Make it Doug Stanhope and still no one would really no his name. Make it Tig Notaro, Odenkirk before Breaking Bad, or even Jim Gaffigan and it wouldn't have been plastered over every social media site as it was.
reddelicious77 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:28:35 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably what w/ all of his rapey ways and all.
Jokes aside, that really does make me sad though. I grew up on the Coz - his show was really funny and also had a nice moral to it. I just don't want to believe he's this serial mass-rapist. But I really struggle to believe all these allegations are false. :(
manchegoo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:35:41 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's b/c Larry David defined everything you described about the show. Jerry was just the face of it all.
Maccaisgod ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:07:34 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seinfeld would never have been funny or successful without Larry David. He's the genius of the show
justinanimate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:13:59 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I absolutely loved the "I'm Telling You For The Last Time" show. His comedy did peak twenty years ago though and watching him now could lead you to say he's not funny. Comedy changes. Everyone loved Jim Carrey in 1994 but rewatching most of his movies today would be awful.
drumstyx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:45:50 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's a vid of him and Louis CK talking about how they write their standup. Jerry rehashes and rehashes and rehashes, Louis throws all his material out at the end of a tour. Makes a lot of sense. I still don't know how Jerry was so successful, but obviously the show is most of it.
LOTM42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:48:24 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can't judge old comedy by standards of today.
aa24577 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:21:44 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But I like other comics from then a lot more
LOTM42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:14:00 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes some people's work is good at the time and continues to be good, that's not always the case
aa24577 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:54:50 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So turns out you can judge old comedy
LOTM42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:41 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ya which doesn't mean it was bad when it was first done
reddelicious77 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:25:09 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I don't think I'm going to change your mind, but I always had a lot of respect for his comedy, b/c unlike the other greats like Louis CK et al, he never resorts to vulgarity or curses, yet he's still interesting and funny IMO.
And hey, if a more 'adult' style of humour is your thing, fair enough. (b/c I really do find Louis CK hilarious, but I guess some of his graphic stuff just isn't my style.)
Capt-CL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:21:45 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Guess you don't know how hard it is to construct a solid joke, and how much harder that is to do while also working clean.
Think about a few generic comics that don't work clean. How funny would their jokes be if they the next show couldn't say any four letter word? Lot of jokes are "funny" only because they have words like shit, fuck, dick, bitch in them.
Jerry is a great comic and a comic's comic that is all about jokes. I think he chose to work clean for many reasons, one being he did not want to earn easy laughs only because of swearing.
aa24577 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:36:03 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, they're funny because they're allowed to tackle taboo subjects like sex in an interesting way. No comic gets laughs by saying a swear word, they get laughs because it's funny. Go to any open mic night to see the difference.
But yes, clean comedy is harder to do well. I just don't think Jerry does it super well. Watch that comedy round table with Seinfeld, Louis, Gervais, and Chris Rock to hear more of what Jerry has to say on it
morriscey ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:06:52 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. Jim gaffigan and Tom papa are miles funnier while staying clean
Capt-CL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:37:14 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think you're wrong. It's not very interesting at all actually. Mostly guys rambling about things they believe are taboo while also trying to be provocative and dirty mouth funny. It becomes dull after a while, especially if that is the entire act.
A good clean guy could do a good dirty act, but a dirty guy would have a very hard time doing a good clean act.
aa24577 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:45:05 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree somewhat with what you're saying about some comedians just saying things for shock value, but that's not really what I was talking about, I agree that stuff is boring and played out.
I really disagree with this though. I think people who do a clean act don't do it because they are just "challenging" themselves, I think they do it because they have some hang-ups about the material in dirty acts. I mean could you really imagine Seinfeld or Gaffigan going on about anal sex or something? It's just ridiculous, it's not who they are at all. They do it because it's what makes them comfortable.
Capt-CL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:57:44 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I also don't think they want to challenge themselves only. There are many reasons why they work clean.
They could still be dirty while also being themselves. Still, could you imagine a tight 5-10 min set by either Gaffigan or Seinfeld with dirty material? It would destroy.
aa24577 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:02:27 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, I absolutely could not and I don't think they are personally capable of doing that with their stage presence. It would be horrible.
What are the reasons?
Capt-CL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:22:25 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Could be a few reasons why:
aa24577 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:38:01 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think 3 and 5 are the most applicable. 2 might follow. The rest I don't think matter really.
But either way it's strange to demonize other comedians for using curse words or talking about taboo topics. I think that's the whole point of comedy
Mrgreen428 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:47:13 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are some obvious ironies in the show. Like all the jokes about airline and peanuts gags and jokes about "did you ever notice stuff" and "it was a good bit in the 80s and still relevant today".
That being said, I don't think the openers are necessarily "satire" though. I just think they've become so saturated into the comedy unconscious that they appear rather trite today.
aa24577 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:41:36 on June 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But they seem trite to me even taking into account the time period. Pryor's stuff seems honestly fresh even today. Same with Eddie Murphy's stuff (minus the gay jokes, those did not age well)
pihkal ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 03:42:36 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because the head writer of "Seinfeld" wasn't Jerry Seinfeld, it was Larry David. He's the genius behind it all.
aa24577 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:44:07 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I had thought about that but they always portray it as an equal split between Jerry and Larry writing-wise
pihkal ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 04:16:32 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno about an equal split. Larry was head writer, though final approval did go through the both of them. Initially, it was just those two, but once the show caught on, they had a team of typically 5-10 people writing per episode.
For me, Larry was the primary influence because a) he had prior experience writing scripts and sketches in addition to standup, whereas Jerry had never written, and b) if you compare Jerry's standup routines with something like Curb Your Enthusiasm, the difference in quality is striking. Jerry's standup is ok, but never really stood out to me compared to other comedians. CYE, however, is basically Seinfeld with fewer restrictions and looser pacing.
th3nam3isinth3link ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 04:46:11 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And much, much more cringe humour.
BenderRodriquez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:19:40 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think both can be credited equally. It is not like Larry wrote everything himself and Jerry just signed it. Larry is a good writer but he hated it and was always hoping they'd get cancelled. Jerry was the enabler that knew what would work or not and pushed Larry to stay, but in the end he quit and Jerry wrote the storyline for the last two seasons himself. Those seasons are even more bizarre. As they say in CICGC episode: nobody wastes time obsessing over the minute details in life like the two of them together.
pihkal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:18:56 on June 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I heard that frequently, writers would come to them with storylines, and they'd tell them the story was awful, but then if the writer mentioned some weird interaction on the subway as an aside, they'd be fascinated, and build a plot line around it.
Anyway, I'm not sure how you think Jerry wrote the last two seasons himself. Even by a couple seasons in, there were a team of writers, with maybe 5+ people contributing per episode. I think it's more likely that by the time Larry left, the writing staff was a well-oiled machine, with Jerry more shepherding the process along.
BenderRodriquez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:37:23 on June 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I remember it from the Seinfeld documentary where his colleagues said he was in the "u-boat" the last years, i.e. worked on the show 24/7, which was the main reason why he ended the show. But you are probably correct since he doesn't have any writing credits. In the end Larry wrote 62 episodes and Jerry 17 but they both edited the scripts, even when they didn't write them.
dog_cow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:52:40 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The later seasons didn't involve Larry and they were good too.
pihkal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:11:55 on June 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True, but by the time he'd left, he'd been head writer for 7 seasons, so the writers that remained knew the style and the bar that had been set for quality.
Aethermancer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:47:32 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some people have synergy. Seinfeld alone might rate a 4, Larry David alone might rate a 5, but together they produce 15.
pihkal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:10:59 on June 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Best counter-argument I've heard, though I'd personally put Larry's solo numbers higher, based on CYE. Maybe Jerry 4, Larry 11, combined 15.
CoogleGhrome ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:22:43 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've seen him live and his real stand up show is very good as of 4 to 5 years ago, at least.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:46:12 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jerry's character in the show is the glue that keeps each episode together. Important, sure, but glue is not funny. Except crazy glue.
motobrit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:17:46 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's also the only one of the regular actors on the show who can't really act.
MumrikDK ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:51:59 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought those parts of the show were as istara's friend did.
I think his actual stand up shows are pretty great.
Secret4gentMan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:55:32 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've been a long time fan of his tv show, 'Seinfeld'.
I never really thought that his stand up was that funny... until I watched his most recent stand-up special.
To my surprise, I was laughing all the way through. He also has some level of comedic integrity, and doesn't go for cheap laughs I noticed.
It's worth checking out on Youtube. You'll probably change your tune too.
I'm under no illusions that the man is an asshole, but he is funny.
pihkal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:48:05 on June 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll give it a shot, maybe it'll change my mind.
ItsToughBeingARobot ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 02:25:42 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly thought that as well
Thesaurii ยท 59 points ยท Posted at 03:31:04 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The "Seinfeld isn't funny" thing is a result of the times. Everyone ripped off Seinfeld heavily, so much of stand-up and sitcoms is based around his stuff. As a result, the originator seems like a flaccid copy, his stuff seems to bad and played out. Well, its played out because it was good, and it seems bad because we have heard so much rip him off.
pihkal ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 03:44:32 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My friends and I watched "Seinfeld" back in the 90's as it came out, and even then, we knew Jerry's standup routines were the weakest part of the show.
AFrozenCanadian ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 05:33:50 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
His show stand up routines if I remember correctly were quirky little jokes loosely based off of the episode content. His actual stand up is very enjoyable, in my opinion.
pihkal ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:41:18 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even given they weren't battle-tested material, the standup snippets were still weak, and should have been cut from the episodes.
I'll have to take your word on his standup. I've only seen some of his highlights and the "Seinfeld" snippets, but between them, I never got the impression Jerry's standup was all that.
AFrozenCanadian ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:47:49 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think comedy is like music, different strokes for different folks so they say. I like Jerry Seinfeld in a way that I am entertained by everything in his routine, but it's not something I am literally laughing out loud to like some comedians. But that's okay, I enjoy it.
azzkicker206 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:31:02 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
LOL!! To this day it is considered one of the greatest sitcoms ever made and you think your edits would have made it better? That's some arrogance.
Jerry was a headlining comedian, had made appearances on the Tonight Show with Johnny Carson, and had an HBO comedy special under his belt before Seinfeld. His comedy credentials are beyond reproach even if you personally don't find him funny. I'm not a fan of his stand up but I'm not ignorant of the career he made for himself prior to the show either.
pihkal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:09:34 on June 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fame is not the same thing as talent. Jay Leno is wildly popular...amongst grandparents.
If anything, the effect is reversed. Because of how good "Seinfeld" was, people look back more favorably on his stand-up than it really warranted.
And yeah, if my only edit was to remove his stand-up bits at the beginning and tell Larry David to write another 30 seconds of material, it would definitely have made the show even stronger.
azzkicker206 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:40:03 on June 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Again, you're showing your ignorance by denigrating Jay Leno like that. Like Jerry, Jay Leno was a hugely successful and influential stand up comedian before he found wide-spread fame/success on the Tonight Show.
People don't look back on Leno or Seinfeld's stand up more favorably because of the success of their shows. Anyone who has any clue about the origin of either realizes that their stand up comedy is exactly what got them their job in the first place! In other words, their stand up was looked at extremely favorably before either of them had a TV show, not through the lens of later success like you contend.
Try listening to some podcasts by comedians some time like Marc Maron, Bill Burr, Norm MacDonald, Joe Rogan, etc. They interview a lot of comedians on their shows and you'll quickly notice that both Jay Leno and Jerry Seinfeld were highly respected by other comedians back when they were doing stand up comedy.
pihkal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:46:17 on June 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You keep mentioning their success as if it indicates indicates they're good, but past a certain scale, success in showbiz just means you have mass appeal, which conversely, probably means they're not taking as many chances or risks in your material.
Sure, Leno and Seinfeld are successful, but that's irrelevant to me. I just don't think they were the best, though, even before they became famous. It's not like they can't make me laugh, it's just there's other comics funnier, more insightful, and more innovative.
If they're influential as stand-ups, it's only to other average stand-ups, or to kids who haven't been exposed to much yet. Kids are more likely to be inspired to go into comedy by famous comedians, but that's just because they're more likely to have seen them when young. Parents are more likely to let their kids listen to someone safe like Leno then someone controversial like Bill Hicks or weird, like Steven Wright or Demetri Martin.
E.g., I thought SNL was great when I was 12 years old, but then later I saw way better sketch comedy (Monty Python, Chapelle Show, Kids in the Hall, Mr Show, etc). In the case of Leno, he was safe enough to go on earlier in the night and had the larger audience, but Conan O'Brien was still the funnier host. I mean, hell, Conan was a Simpsons writer during its early 90's heyday.
GnarlyBear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:11:07 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's the latest circle jerk of younger redditors. I think if Louis CK, Chris Rock etc say Jerry was the greatest I'm happy to take their judgement over others.
tachibanakanade ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 07:22:49 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you only think comedians are funny if they get approved of by other comedians?
GnarlyBear ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:04:04 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think they are infinitely more experienced and knowledgeable as what is required to produce great stand up.
tachibanakanade ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:08:19 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That doesn't mean it's funny. Do you force yourself to laugh at Seinfeld because they're "more knowledgeable" and say he's funny?
Brutuss ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 02:46:14 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I might be forgetting some awesome clips, but I remember the stand up excerpts being the least funny part of like every episode.
Thisdarlingdeer ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 03:20:44 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Weren't they just board synopsis' of the episode itself? Or connectors? (If I remember correctly)
BigAbbott ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:33:09 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. It generally introduces the theme of the episode.
Similar to how Chappelle did it with his stand up bits segueing into the skits.
pihkal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:51:02 on June 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe there's a pattern here. I loved the Chapelle Show, but his intro bits were usually weaker than the skits.
Nowhereman123 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:59:59 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Weird, my sister thought the same thing. She thought the joke was that he was a really bad comedian.
I personally can enjoy his stand up but he's not some kind of comedy god. I can get a chuckle out of him but really the show was carried by the rest of the cast.
Fresh_Fish ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:29:33 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit, I dont keep up with celebrity at all, nor am I American so it's not like I'd know him from anything but Seinfeld. When I watch a show I watch it for the content, except for some really big people I have to refer to the actors as their role and such. I always thought the exact same thing. Like a self depriving skit to accommodate his role in the show. Msn you blew my mind, it being so bad was what made it funny because it fit exactly in there with the show.
thedangerman007 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:16:26 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wasn't a fan of the first season, at all.
My brother liked the show from the beginning.
I eventually came around and love the later seasons, but I can see why your friend had that initial impression.
kilot1k ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:29:17 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno I'm on the fence with him. Personally, I don't think he was ever that funny as a stand up comic. His show was ok, sometimes he crossed a line I didn't particularly like. He made a joke about how when people fail to commit suicide that they should feel even worse about themselves afterwards. I come from a long line of family of metal health disorders so this kinda rubbed me the wrong way. I'm all for dark humor, I find 9/11 jokes humorous, but this joke really bothered me. He is a very talented comedian, I will never take that from him. I just never really found him funny. To each their own.
Andre11x ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:14:52 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And if you lost someone in 9/11 you wouldn't like jokes about that, it's all relative. Comedians are usually gonna offend someone.
kilot1k ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:46:04 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yeah of course, that's why I like comedy. Sometimes a comedian has jokes that turn you off and don't resonate with them, that's ok. If I lost someone I knew in 9/11 maybe I'd feel different, but our experiences shape our outlooks on life and what we find funny. Like they say, comedy is tragedy plus time and maybe at some point I will find those jokes funny. I just had to come from a family of metal health disorders and many suicides. I don't enjoy the humor, but I'll never think bad about people for making jokes about it. It was one example I pointed out of Jerry's comedy, I've seen a quite a few stand ups of his and I just didn't care for it. I fucking love Mitch Hedberg, he is my comedy god.
Wemovil ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 04:26:12 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yeah to each his own, finding 9/11 jokes humorous is sick. Sorry you were born into a family of crazies, but I think that is hilarious. To each his own.
kilot1k ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:35:18 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
See this is why I love comedy. We both find humor in different things and that's ok. I'm not getting offended by humor I don't like, I understand why people think it's funny, but I don't enjoy it. It's like finding a beer you like, I love an IPA and I hate Porters but I'll never criticize anyone for liking a porter. Just not my taste.
Wemovil ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:52:42 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, it's not OK, you finding mass murder funny is really fucking sick. But you come from a bunch of genetically fucked up people so that is to be expected.
kilot1k ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:35 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know, you're right. 9/11 jokes aren't funny. 6 Muslims died that day.
croeystoey ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 04:07:06 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm going to go the opposite of the "He's an asshole comment" here.
Being a long time subscriber and lurker to that sub, I can honestly see where he is coming from. maybe, just MAYBE, 1 out of 25 of prompts merit one comment thats gold.
Most of the prompts are expectations of the Seinfeld gang using and reacting to modern day technology and apps.
girl_inform_me ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 06:36:00 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even this one started out alright, but as soon as "mulva" came up, it crashed. Same thing with the chickens, you can't just shoehorn a reference or a weird thing and have everyone react like "all right this is normal". Elaine sounded nothing like Elaine, and Jerry isn't someone who would wear hats.
It's one thing to have some fun with it and make it cheesy on purpose, but I don't fault Jerry for saying that it's terrible. I don't know him specifically, but comedy is incredibly difficult. Making it look easy is one of the most difficult, but most important parts.
binkerfluid ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:39:39 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What? Have you forgotten Jerrys famous bowler?
/s
Elfer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:39:13 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I only read a few comments before I was like "this isn't good."
Being funny is hard, and getting characters right is hard, and the people in this thread didn't do either of those things. They just created a fumbling mock-up of what they think a typical Seinfeld scene was like. It's bad in the same way that poorly-written fan fiction is bad.
bassinastor ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 03:04:45 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, they're not that funny. They fit the Seinfeld trope enough that you can imagine them happening, but the content isn't actually that clever.
2nuhmelt ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 04:51:53 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's the same whenever I see people write scenes from It's Always Sunny. They usually have completely the wrong tone, and it just feels wrong.
blay12 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 13:41:43 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
copy pasting what I wrote farther up, because I know exactly what you're saying:
TheFoxyDanceHut ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 06:04:24 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's just throwing the character's mannerisms into a random pop culture discussion. It's not about what the people would actually like or do as much as recreating a funny scene with different but relatable dialogue.
SaladAndEggs ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:34:00 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. The Twitter accounts especially are just lazy and unfunny.
binkerfluid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:38:38 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They are mostly just random
TimboCalrissian ยท 319 points ยท Posted at 01:14:55 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's because Jerry Seinfeld is a GIGANTIC ASSHOLE.
[deleted] ยท 107 points ยท Posted at 02:27:48 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's commented on how, after learning more about autism, he believes he's partially on the spectrum. He's probably right, because things like that are pretty similar to the no-filter trait of the disorder.
Butterball_Adderley ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:40:36 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He later retracted that comment.
DirkBelig ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 05:02:33 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm old enough to remember when autism wasn't something people wanted in order to justify being assholes. "Oh, I'm not an asshole. I'm on the spectrum, so you can't judge me." Nope, pretty sure you're just a jerk. (It's like how the kids claim to be "gender fluid" because saying your bi-sexual sounds like your parents talking.)
ashleighqueen ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 07:20:07 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gender fluid and bisexual are two different things. Gender fluid is when you feel/look/act like a boy on some days and a girl on others. Bisexual is being sexually attracted to both genders (not always equally either).
Merlord ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 08:03:51 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People shouldn't be claiming to be autistic until they get diagnosed. I've worked with kids with Asperger's\autism, and Jerry doesn't show any of the signs of being autistic from what I can see. Being kind of awkward and bad with expressing emotions doesn't make you autistic.
iehova ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 12:21:23 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anytime there's ever a thread that deals with autism in any way, you'll find an incredibly unlikely number of people starting out comments with "Aspie here". Most of them self-diagnosed, or their mom thinks that they're on the spectrum but they never needed to be tested.
On a bad day, half of reddit is on the spectrum
elilev3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:38:37 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well considering 1 in 65 is psychologically evaluated and formally diagnosed with being on the spectrum, it doesn't surprise me how common it is.
iehova ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:20 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I understand that, I'm more or less adding my opinion to the behavior that merlord was discussing, and applying it to this platform. Of course there are people on reddit who have been officially diagnosed, but from what I have seen, many people here also identify themselves with aspergers without having that diagnoses.
blaghart ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 06:54:26 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You realize there's a difference between justification and excuse right? Justification explains, excuse removes the consequences of.
"why weren't you at work? My mom died" is an excuse
"why weren't you at work? I have agoraphobia" is a justification.
One won't get you in trouble, the other will get you fired in a hurry.
DaSaw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:35:16 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It isn't so much "you can't judge me" as "Hey man, I'm genuinely doing the best I can here. If my best isn't good enough for you, there are other people you could be interacting with. Don't waste both our time trying to get better out of me; better people than you have tried."
Razzler1973 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:55:39 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the autism groups spoke out against this, didn't they?
It's a lot more complex and they didn't want people claiming to be on the spectrum or have people self diagnose or change their behaviour based on thinking this
Ghostspider1989 ยท 66 points ยท Posted at 01:33:45 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually he's a great big phony
2RINITY ยท 78 points ยท Posted at 01:46:55 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, he's a very small bee.
paulster12 ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 02:08:36 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I heard he's an anti-dentite
TheStarchild ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:20:05 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I heard he's gonna be a pirate.
MichaelMyersFanClub ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:34:50 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know he doesn't want to be a cowboy.
Razzler1973 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:56:12 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"... but, I don't wanna be a pirate"
sourbeer51 ยท 237 points ยท Posted at 02:29:35 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I saw Seinfeld at a Fairway Market in New York City last week. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didnโt want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything. He said, โOh, like youโre doing now?โ I was taken aback, and all I could say was โHuh?โ but he kept cutting me off and going โhuh? huh? huh?โ and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen mars bars in his hands without paying. The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like โSir, you need to pay for those first.โ At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter. When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually โto prevent any electrical infetterence,โ and then turned around and winked at me. I donโt even think thatโs a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.
britishboi ยท 61 points ยท Posted at 03:33:52 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/i-saw-flying-lotus-in-a-grocery-store-copypasta
for those who aren't aware
ddpowkk ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 05:28:28 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I 100% was ready to believe this
PMyoBEAVERandHOOTERS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:57:08 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're not alone. I had not been introduced to this either.
FGHIK ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:42:15 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And they call seinfeld unfunny.
reddelicious77 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:32:05 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
thanks!
whew, I know he's kind of a dick - but man - this is a whole new level of dickery.
neilarmsloth ยท 122 points ยท Posted at 02:38:24 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hahahaha I love this pasta
My favorite was with Frank Ocean
thetruthhurts34 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 03:06:19 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Was the Frank Ocean one changed to fit him. Could you find it again?
neilarmsloth ยท 56 points ยท Posted at 03:19:00 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah it's the same mannerisms every time, just the name changes
That's why I love it so much, with some celebrities it seems completely out of character, but with some of the more eccentric/unknown ones it sounds borderline believable. Frank ocean is the one that clicks as the best mix of ridiculous/believable for me
jawknee21 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:52:52 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just saw this today with Ryan Kesler. It wasn't that funny with him as the person in the story
UnknownStory ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 03:00:22 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ahhh, the classic Tom Hanks pasta.
T.Hanks
djduni ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 02:32:31 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh my god. I wanted to slap the computer screen multiple times just reading this.
KingOfShrimp ยท 143 points ยท Posted at 02:41:41 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't worry, it's a classic copypasta. Although it is pretty believable for Jerry.
I_ama_Borat ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:08:13 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Last I saw this it was about Steve Blake.
DaSaw ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:37:13 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm guessing the total was somewhere around $3.50 or so?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:27:30 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
God damn it! Gets me every time, I only noticed halfway through.
Merlord ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:00:22 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't seen this before, but halfway through reading I had to check if it was /u/shittymorph.
ballspooge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:51:28 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Had no idea this was a pasta, I really thought that the diner from death grips did this at a local store.
Cturner4545 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:49:09 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You've ruined my childhood
ankisethgallant ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:52:54 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The story is a copypasta, it's not real
sourbeer51 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:50:26 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't worry my child. I've never been to New York City.
OnIowa ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:36:57 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, even just glancing at his AMA shows this.
imnotlegolas ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:34:50 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And now we need a Seinfeld episode about that.
imnotlegolas ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 01:35:24 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So basically every Seinfeld episode?
Tevans75 ยท 112 points ยท Posted at 01:59:24 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did you just reply to yourself?
MechaSandstar ยท 62 points ยท Posted at 02:04:47 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Best way to make sure you get the right punchline.
csonnich ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 02:36:07 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've thought about doing that with alt accounts, but I don't want to be Unidan'd. Do they Unidan people for that?
MechaSandstar ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:46:30 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unidan?
postExistence ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:02:22 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes! Unidan!
He wrote the best scientific comments on reddit, but there were lots of people writing bad, misleading, even false facts in comments. They kept getting upvoted over his, so he decides to do something about it. He creates alt accounts to downvote the bad comments, allowing his to stay at the top.
Well, some people caught that and deleted his account. So now what happens? Everyone is creating accounts like "theRealUnidan" and "~Unidan~" and "Unidan4reel" now nobody knows who Unidan is.
I have no idea how someone turned that into a verb, though. What does it mean to be "Unidan'd?" Is there some detail I'm forgetting?
csonnich ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:11:06 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To Unidan - v.t. To ban from Reddit and semi-unjustly harass over small violations of Reddit rules that have actually had the end effect of making Reddit a better place.
I just made it up, but to me, this is the meaning of Unidan.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:07:27 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't sound like he did anything wrong to me
csonnich ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:20:58 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Be careful who you say that to. Every once in a while you run into threads about him, and people still have very strong feelings about it, on both sides.
I've seen other scientists complain that he downvoted their accurate comments to upvote his less-accurate ones, when he isn't even a specialist in that field. Basically, he'd be wrong and wouldn't back down. So while I still think people are a little too butt-hurt about it, I get the source of the hostility.
postExistence ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:22:36 on June 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Vote manipulation is against reddit policy. I know it sucks, especially since Unidan is one of reddit's most celebrated users, but that's just how it went. :(
MechaSandstar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:16:38 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ahhh, I hadn't heard of that. Thanks.
csonnich ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:40:09 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hopefully your Reddit experience is richer now! Unidan is still a popular reference -- I just ran into one five minutes ago.
merekisgreat ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 02:32:09 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone forgot to switch to their alt.
jussumman ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 01:54:11 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like the comedy of Larry David but I never was a fan of Jerry Seinfeld (as an actor mostly - I never met the guy) but also this confirms I wouldn't want to.
joebleaux ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 02:00:29 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't go for a hug when you do.
rubygeek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:17:17 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to think that after this everyone goes or the hug with him, just to see if he'll snap.
Thisdarlingdeer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:21:21 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sneeze in your hand and go to shake his. And when he freaks out just wink and walk away laughing. He gives us shit, let's troll him.
Secret4gentMan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:57:21 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm the opposite... I can't understand the appeal of Curb Your Enthusiasm at all... but I loved the show Seinfeld.
pihkal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:55:08 on June 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hide your 17-year-old daughter!
j1ggy ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 03:48:51 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And that's why a lot of people don't like Jerry Seinfeld. It took me a long time to be able to watch the show myself because of the stigma around him. He just doesn't give a shit. But on the other side of the coin, he doesn't have to.
OldWampus ยท 185 points ยท Posted at 01:56:52 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All of these things are true. Reddit should leave television writing to the television writers. And that "Modern Day Seinfeld" twitter account is just terrible, clichรฉd pop culture references. It's like if you told Seth McFarlane to write a Seinfeld spec. Just trash.
bl1y ยท 91 points ยท Posted at 02:56:04 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I remember reading about one of the SNL writers being in a meeting and getting notes on the script from one of the actors. He got upset and said they should let the writers do the writing and wouldn't want the writers trying to act.
And now that writer is acting as Saul Goodman.
TryHarderToday ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 03:01:53 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Odenkirk wrote for SNL?
bl1y ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 03:04:08 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, his background is comedy writing, not acting.
j1ggy ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 03:53:57 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And like everyone else, he was on Seinfeld.
Maccaisgod ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:09:41 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He was also a porn star on Curb your enthusiasm that stuck tabasco sauce up his ass. It's an odd scene
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:27:34 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's a great character actor.
ReliableSource ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:27:13 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Okenkirk wrote the infamous Matt Foley sketches; he and Farley did them at Second City in Chicago before the character showed up on SNL.
thedangerman007 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:10:57 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did he write for SNL???... Odenkirk created Chris Farley's Matt Foley / motivational speaker / in a van down by the river sketch.
Number 1 on Rolling Stone's best SNL skits of all time.
TonyzTone ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 07:54:45 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because comedy writers are actually a bunch of assholes. They're the proverbial neck beards in the back and the actors are the popular empty heads in front of the camera.
30 Rock does a good job of parodying/exaggerating the dynamic pretty spectacularly.
KaiLi73 ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 04:41:04 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, he's not a good actor.
Deus_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:49:22 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's not? He sure did fool me.
Razzler1973 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 06:59:10 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course the people 'writing Seinfeld' on reddit think it's hilarious and same for the twitter account but they're not looking objectively
Flomo420 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 11:50:37 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed. When i read this 'scene' in the OP last night I found it almost cringy how bad it was. Sure enough though, bestof this morning...
blay12 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:39:53 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think a lot of it comes down to the fact that it's written like a cheap parody of the characters and not like an actual scene for the characters, plus it's too heavy handed with its show references. It reads like someone has seen a number of specific scenes from Seinfeld, but has never actually sat down and watched an entire episode before.
For example, you can't just write in "Kramer does something crazy" - no matter how crazy something he does in a scene may seem, there's always a reason for him to do it, and that context makes it seem way less crazy because you can follow the logic of the writing (the character needs or wants something, and the "crazy scheme" seems a lot less crazy when you know the backstory). Half of the comedy of that character comes from the dramatic irony the setup presents - we understand Kramer's reasoning for something because we (the audience) know why he's doing something, so when he bursts into a room doing something that fits that narrative it becomes funnier knowing that it must look completely nonsensical to the other people in the room.
That's a large part of how Seinfeld was written - you see seeds of individual characters' storylines planted throughout, you see them acting along those lines semi-independently (unless it's a plot for multiple characters), and then at the climax you see how those storylines interact and come together. Everyone has a reason for whatever they're doing, and that's what always feels "off" to me about these "reddit writes" scenes - they generally use the anatomy of a single scene and try to fit characters into that, rather than realizing that the comedy of an individual scene comes from the story that's been built up around it, and you're left with "Jerry says something sarcastic, Kramer is crazy, George yells or complains about something, Elaine says something quick, shitty punchline that doesn't make sense."
Trying to shoehorn in "Mulva" was the worst part for me though, that's just too much of a blatant self-reference and throws the whole thing off.
shwiggydog ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 03:36:42 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the terrible, cliched pop culture references are what makes the account funny
OldWampus ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:41:42 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You have a very different sense of humor than me. That's OK.
kloudykat ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:07:35 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Damn. Respect to both of y'all.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:40:10 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently it isn't OK, according to all the people who are acting like Seinfeld is a huge dick for not finding that garbage funny
OldWampus ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:42:56 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's no accounting for taste.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:08:48 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 06:04:03 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did you just compare a subreddit's writing to Pink Floyd
fforw ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 10:10:57 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not it. I bet for Jerry it kind of feels like people are going and turning his show into Jump-The-Shark Happy-Days. "Jokes" based on veneration of something slowly choking on that. The Seinfeld plotlines were finely crafted to contrast the interwoven sub-stories and work off absurdities and contrast of that. The "Reddit Writes Seinfeld" stuff is at best a nice reminiscence of some of the more stereotypical Seinfeld-character interactions tranferred to more recent times. None of them could match the hilarity of George puilling out that golf ball -- they're just not funny in that sense.
edit: The other source of hilarity in Seinfeld are great written one-off characters. The Soup-Nazi, the dentist etc. RwS doesn't have those either.
edit2: And Jerry most likely did not mean they're not funny. They're amusing, but they're not funny -- not "We must keep hitting it each episode for our hit show" funny.
OldWampus ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:15:32 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This comment is stupid and makes no sense. If you think Seth McFarlane is some kind of evolutionary comedy apex, that would explain why I think you're a philistine.
Also Beethoven was deaf.
TheRealThunderMonkey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:04:45 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's a good idea. Maybe "Two Broke Girls" and "Big Bang Theory" can find some comedy writers for their shows.
(But I think they cancelled "Two Broke Girls"...)
binkerfluid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:40:19 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seinfeld v. Unfrozen caveman lawyer
ddpowkk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:22:41 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think that's necessarily true for all of the stuff in those boards and I don't think the fact that there are cliched pop culture references really helps your point. Go back and watch Seinfeld and see how its absolutely stuffed with pop culture references from the 90s, and it makes sense because its a Sit com from the 90s.
Also to entirely different thing: Seth MacFarlane, I agree, makes trash content for the most part not because his comedy and writing is bad, but because the execution is so fucking dry for Family Guy. If a good comedian with good delivery took McFarlane's jokes line for line and had proper timing and reaction to the jokes present, I think the result would be pretty funny.
The thing, though is that he writes these absurd situations that everyone in universe accepts as normal (making the viewers accept them in universe as not really absurd), when if he wrote just one character grounded in reality horrified, angered or confused by things present, they could potentially be funny. Look at Ted, a movie about a talking teddy bear, where everyone is just fine with a talking teddy bear existing with humans in society, which is kind of funny, but its so normalized that we just see his as another human and its just not humorous anymore.
Seinfeld has tons of pop culture references for 90s culture, and Seth McFarlane could make some good comedy writing material if he had talented comedians to deliver it.
OldWampus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:11:22 on June 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seinfeld has lots of cultural references, sure. They are not the underpinnings of the show -- the show still works for people who don't pick up on them because the characters are unique and well-realized, the situations are still unexpected and entertaining, and the narrative structure is so innovative as to be widely copied for more than two decades now.
The shit like on that godawful twitter account and the subreddit is all references. It doesn't hold up at all and becomes completely nonsensical once those references are no longer understood. It all becomes meaningless because there's no structure to hold it up. The "appeal," what little there might be, is in the references and memes, not in appreciating the unique characters and writing style of Seinfeld.
As for Seth McFarlane, I disagree. I think he's the world's biggest hack.
ddpowkk ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:59:41 on June 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What you are saying makes sense and may be accurate to a lot of the material in that sub, but I think its simply not true for the recent Kesha one to set an example. The only pop culture reference in that string of comments was just the character Kesha and the rest was mostly visual comedy and the mundane Seinfeld nitpicky humor about chickens and societal norms that we expect from the show. True nobody will know or care who Kesha is 20 years later, but its been 20 years since the Kathy Griffin cameo and I don't know or care about who Kathy Griffin is. I think its a good representation. And on Seth McFarlane, I see where you are coming from and I can't and don't really want to change your mind. Most of his content sucks, so I have little source for my hypothesis there so Ill give you that.
connorclang ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:22:46 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
nah, most of them are really bad
aareyes12 ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 01:40:13 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The comments like the one link never got a laugh from me. It just sounds so...it sounds like there's a 19 piece puzzle going around, and the 20th piece is the OP subbing in whatever topic is at hand.
_liquidcourage ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 02:15:22 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"it just sounds so....it sounds" sigh...
NightStu ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:42:08 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Annd then?
Niadra ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 02:22:49 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The part of the"Talking Funny" discussion about how comedy is hard work, and no one can do it like them, rubbed me the wrong way. They are successful, and made some really great contributions to comedy, but I have known some extremely funny people that are not professionals.
OldWampus ยท 88 points ยท Posted at 02:39:10 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Comedy" isn't just being "funny."
"Funny" people can't walk on stage and entertain a crowd for 20 minutes. That's comedy. That's hard work.
This is the same argument as people who complain about postmodern art -- "My kid can do that!" No, they can't.
OrangeCarton ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 02:53:03 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're talking about stand up comedy though. There are a lot of different types of comedy.
Comedy is just being funny.
OldWampus ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 03:37:06 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, that's what Seinfeld was talking about in the original reference to his statement. In that conversation, they were explicitly talking about "stand-up comedy."
I personally think that "comedy" is a shorthand for some type of performance, which involves people paying you directly or indirectly to entertain them in a professional capacity. Stand-up, film and television (edit: and theater, from which the word "comedy" is derived) can all be "comedy." My argument holds for those types of performative works. "Being funny" is not "comedy."
Andre11x ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:20:12 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought he was talking about the Twitter account and r/redditwritesseinfeld?
OldWampus ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 04:25:40 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Talking Funny.
With respect to that awful subreddit, nothing there would make good television. It would be spectacularly awful. For proof, look in this very thread. There are several people who say "I've never seen the show but this sounds exactly like it!" That's who that subreddit appeals to. People who think they know. Call it Mandela Effect if it makes you feel better. It's all derivative, pop-referential, and would make terrible tv.
Andre11x ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:41:51 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right, so he wasn't taking about stand up he was talking about people writing his show on Reddit and Twitter.
OldWampus ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:00:27 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No...
The comment that I originally responded to brought up a special he filmed called Talking Funny. You should read more carefully.
Niadra ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 02:51:25 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just finished the Louis CK 2017 special and can confirm that comedy has nothing to do with being funny.
Petey_Wheatstraw_MD ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:58:33 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait a second. Are you saying it wasn't funny? Cuz I thought it was some of his best material since "Chewed Up".
Niadra ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:10:17 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeh, that is what I am saying. I found a lot of the jokes or ideas behind jokes were recycled, and some just missed the mark for me. I certainly enjoyed some of it but for the most part want that time back.
Devilheart ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:23:06 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was better than the other "specials" I've seen in recent times.
Petey_Wheatstraw_MD ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:23:56 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To each his own. I thought he started off slow but killed it in the 2nd and 3rd Act. Pretty much once he started talking about the dog and everything after I thought was hilarious.
Niadra ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:37:48 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Solidarity. To each his own.
morriscey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:11:10 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I found it just fair.
The suit pissed me off though.
DroidOrgans ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:05:08 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I felt it was week compared top his earlier stuff. Live at the Beacon is still my favorite.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:00:04 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was different. I don't know, probably the same "Seinfeld effect" people are mentioning here. Still high tier stuff, just not as good as his old stuff.
Check out Chapelle's latest stuff. That shit is amazing.
dackots ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:01:26 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What're you supposed to be, a funny man or sumtin?
FGHIK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:48:59 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, they can. Not all funny people are fit to be comedians, but modern art is circle jerk bullshit.
Pickledsoul ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:05:54 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
all it takes is an excellent sense of humor and the ability to improvise.
OldWampus ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:12:02 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah.
Comedians write jokes. Like "write" write. They spend hours crafting them, editing them, trying them out with crowds then editing some more. It's a craft. It's a job. It takes time. It's hard work.
Pickledsoul ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:28:05 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
there is no way its all written though. you can tell when they hit off a joke and ride the wave with improv; it feels natural.
OldWampus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:29:53 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Improv is an important tool for a lot of stand-up comedians. It does not comprise all that "comedy" is, though. Many hugely successful comedians hate going off book. Some thrive on it.
bl1y ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:59:17 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're not just describing being funny though, because remember they do have a discussion about having friends who are really funny (pee in the shower guy). Jerry is talking about doing something on the scale of an hour long show. You can tell some jokes with your friends, but the reason people pay to see Chris Rock is because you and your friends can't do what he does.
BenderRodriquez ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:46:10 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The are talking about "on stage funny", and that takes dedication and hard work. He's not denying that people are funny; he's just saying that it takes a lot more to become a comedian. In fact, he said once that the reason he likes NYC over LA is because in NYC any hotshot is a nobody and everyone is funny, the doorman, the taxi driver, etc.
superfudge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:13:45 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seinfeld talks about this in an interview with David Letterman. Letterman asks him about people that they know who are funny at the table over dinner but could never be comedians. The way Seinfeld explains it, being funny is like the fuel, but you need the whole car to actually get anywhere. A stand up act is like the car and very few people can do it, even if they are funny.
Aydosubpotato ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:21:40 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Link?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:37:28 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's right though... It's just as bad as the dozens of comments in every Reddit thread where people try to depict a situation in he style of Rick and Morty
monsto ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:25:22 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
on his, well lets call it what it is... On his vlog, about 40% of the time he comes off super pretentious.
Some of his comedy is funny, sometimes the show was funny, sometimes he's a douche. The difference is that when you have 298e1013 dollars in the bank, you don't have to care what people think of you.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:38:00 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it's either 298e13 or 298*1013
Spore2012 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:19:08 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, a lot of the comments there are not very good. And he is the professional.
Most of the comments are just rehashes of tropes for TV or other episodes.
I didn't find the comment chain here to be interesting or funny.
scstraus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:41:15 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well you've got to admit that not hugging her was a hell of a lot funnier than hugging her would have been.
Unicornmayo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:54:49 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder if it was tongue in cheek though, because that's the kind of humour he does.
Watching CCC, you get the sense that he has a real appreciation for the craft.
Vulcannon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:42:32 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean the show is kind of his life's work so it'd make sense that people poking fun or pretending they can write episodes would tick him off. They are obviously fans and don't mean any hard, but it probably took him a lot of work to write each episode during which they likely rejected many similar premises or conversations. Seeing other people make comments agreeing that those would make perfect episodes would make him annoyed.
He might be a bit of a jerk but to me it shows he's very passionate about his series. Not that I really care either way I've seen like two episodes of Seinfeld.
PasghettiSquash ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:53:47 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd love to find this comment. I have probably seen, like, 5 episodes of Seinfeld. But every time I see a thread on Reddit that gets Seinfeldy, I think "man that sounds just like Seinfeld. The thread today was spot-on.
NeonAkai ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:25:13 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's the thing the joke here isn't the content itself, the joke is "Hahaa That's SOOO Seinfeld! But with a modern twist! Haha!"
ncolaros ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:35:04 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It never happened. But now everyone thinks it did, so I guess that guy who left the comment "won."
PasghettiSquash ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:58:53 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No youre wrong, that guy said it happened so it must've. I actually hate Jerry Seinfeld now, because he obviously hates Reddit and Kesha
HalpTheFan ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:24:47 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh man - for a second there I thought the guys who wrote Modern Seinfeld did an AMA - but that totally makes sense. It's really the only thing Seinfeld's really done that's successful and I get why he's precious about and Larry David is meh - coz he left the show and also has Curb behind him.
I run a faux TV show Twitter account for another show and while not as popular as Modern Seinfeld - coming up with those episodes is a bit of a struggle after a certain point but if you do it enough and analyse the quirks of the characters, similar plot threads and through lines, you kinda get it. I'm far from a good or even close to successful comedian but I definitely think it's a dickish comment tbh.
LinksGayAwakening ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:06:28 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I read through that twitter and another similar site a while back and legitimately could not stop laughing and smiling imagining these ideas playing out in Seinfeld.
It sucks learning that major players in really good things are dumb assholes.
aa24577 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:51:51 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think Jerry is an asshole but in his defense most of them aren't funny. Some of them are pretty good but in reality the show wouldn't work in the modern day
BustaPosey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:40:08 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was Larry David who said this, not Seinfeld
TheFoxyDanceHut ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:59:38 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I showed my dad some of the posts there a while back, since he's one of the biggest Seinfeld fans. He said the same thing. Maybe there's just a generational gap or something.
Deltaasfuck ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:57:19 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That'd be a funny episode as well.
Maccaisgod ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:03:57 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's perfectly normal to not want to hug random people you don't know. Imagine random people trying to rub their body on yours all the time. It's incredibly rude to do that and expect them to be OK with it just because they're a celebrity. You're not entitled to their bodies
A_Sad_Goblin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:43:02 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, a 60+ year old guy doesn't understand things that 15-30 year olds find funny. Go figure.
WithinTheGiant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:50:02 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Likely because the majority of both of those things reduce the show into a bunch of Flanderized charicatures all reacting to one event, which was never the show despite what reddit seems to think.
Jackalopee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:05:14 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
he didn't know who kesha was, he didn't want to hug a stranger, and his first no thanks should have been sufficient
he acts like a non famous person who is thrust into a famous persons life, and if you look at his actions as a normal person you will find that they are quite normal and mundane and not assholish
I would refuse a hug if somebody I didn't know came up to me and asked for one, I think we should appreciate the famous people who go out of their way to please their fans and make themselfs available, but I don't think we should demand it off them
CliffyWeevil ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:33:49 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He thought the Bee Movie was a good idea, I don't think he's the best authority on comedy anymore.
johnwayne1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:44:50 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Link?
brkello ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:47:04 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If this was an example of what reddit thinks would make a good show/good writing, I am going to have to side with Seinfeld. That was pretty bad.
fiduke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:47:50 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not a comedic expert, but some things just translate to TV better. I assume he has a lot more experience knowing which jokes translate better to TV, and which are more funny in written form. Kind of how something happened in your work or at school and it was hilarious and everyone laughed at it... but then you try to tell someone else and even as it's coming out of your mouth you are having trouble capturing why it was funny in person. 'you had to be there.'
Or maybe he's officially old now and he doesn't understand a lot of modern humor.
MrNagasaki ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:25:11 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think he's right. Whenever someone attempts to write a funny seinfeld scene on reddit (including the linked "best of" post), it makes me cringe.
pretzelzetzel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:22 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, what he said was,
So no, you didn't quite r.c.
georged47 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:05 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't say he went on a rant, he merely quoted Larry david
TerminalVector ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:40:57 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The man has a custom built elevator in his Manhattan apartment for his classic cars. They rotate around like I giant tie rack. Did you think he'd be relatable?
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 02:14:20 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're on Reddit for acceptance, when someone gate crashes with their bit of reality it hurts you. He broke the circle jerk. Poor you, poor you.
pihkal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:47:28 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What would Jerry Seinfeld know about great writing? The brilliance in "Seinfeld" is Larry David, the head writer, not Jerry, whose stand-up routines are the weakest part of every episode.
ApocaRUFF ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:13:38 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jerry Seinfeld has always been a massive ass hole when it comes to comedy. He feels that anyone trying to be funny should just stop and leave it to the professionals, such as himself. It's been shown repeatedly in several of his works, his interviews, and AMAs.
And I honestly never saw the appeal of Seinfeld. It felt like a dumb show that a lot of people got addicted to because there wasn't much better at the time (it wasn't exactly the somewhat golden era of original TV that is kinda happening at the moment with Silicon Valley/Mr. Robot/Game of Thrones/House of Cards/etc... so it's understandable) and it seems to survive solely on the rosy-tinted glasses of nostalgia. It was 'ground breaking' for its time, but at the time 'ground breaking' wasn't that great or impressive in the context of today.
And because of that, I have to side with Seinfeld, as much of a total ape-shit retard I-love-my-own-farts-because-they-come-from-a-comedy-genius douche he is. That subreddit, and any time I see one of those scripts for seinfeld (or any show, really) that people on reddit posts and circle-jerk into hundreds or thousands of upvotes are always dumb, unfunny, and just feeds into that nostalgia factor.
Honestly, for the longest time, I was under the impression that Seinfield (both as a comedian and a TV Show) was intentionally dumb and bad as a big joke and I respected it. Then I realized, through watching interviews and reading stuff written by Jerry, that he honestly thinks he's one of the 'Great' comedians of our time and that all his popular stuff was genuinely funny. So, while I once didn't like it but respected it, I now find it too cringe-inducing and have nothing but hate for it.
TL;DR: Jerry Seinfeld is bad at comedy and is really into hyping himself by putting down everyone he can get away with, Seinfeld the TV show is pretty cringe-worthy, and the Seinfeld 'scripts' that get put on Reddit all the time are just as Jerry says: Unfunny and dumb.
spp41 ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 00:30:01 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
wat if seinfeld on tv today
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:10:32 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It would have too many gay French kings I'd imagine
OptimusMine ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:59:51 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
obame destroy constitution. krame say n word
Emsizz ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 23:10:07 on June 6, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was just thinking about how this should be a sub... of course there already is one.
UncharminglyWitty ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:18:52 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Really? Because after awhile you realize it's the same idea every single day and that the stuff that gets upvoted doesn't sound like the characters at all.
ganhadagirl ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:39:27 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except many of the scenes are not written, they're mostly ideas. Hopes crushed, must lay down.
xxxamazexxx ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:17:41 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is there a similar thing for Friends?
Shaysdays ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 01:29:31 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uh, what? No! Um... aha, what? Really? No!
rsheahen ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 01:36:58 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Could I be any more disappointed?
UniverseChamp ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:17:52 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why would you be? We were on a BREAK!
Nastyboots ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:08:43 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yeah but it's not as funny
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:20:57 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because Friends isn't funny
nwsreddit ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:30:38 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
tbh the whole /r/redditwrites network has potential
pantsoff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:31:50 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want Seinfeld back but in a Curb Your Enthusiasm style (but they are the Seinfeld characters).
Pullo_T ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:16:28 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The best thing would be if we could keep it in that sub.
jeegte12 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 01:38:37 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
doesn't this show how easy it is to write seinfeld?
i've never seen an episode, so i have no idea
DarthTigris ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:03:37 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
After 180 episodes, it shouldn't be hard for a big enough fan to emulate the style of the show.
In that I get Jerry's irritation at the sub. Creating consistently good comedy is extremely hard and the implication of this sub is that what they created and sustained for nearly 10 years was something anybody could do. Personally I don't see it that way, as I think it's a great fan tribute to one of the greatest shows of all time. But comments like yours does show his feelings have merit.
jeegte12 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:04:36 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What feelings?
MichaelMyersFanClub ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:44:21 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you deliberately obtuse or just young?
dabilee01 ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 01:48:32 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
More of a BBT fan, eh?
jeegte12 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:51:10 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i'm trying to respond in a sarcastic affirmative way, but i can't bring myself to do it. BBT brings out the worst in me.
Beardmaster76 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:19:50 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The only thing good about BBT is the YouTube videos where they took out the laugh track and it makes it super depressing.
OrangeCarton ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:54:35 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's a BBT? It sounds delicious
usbfridge ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:47:29 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why isn't this a real thing?
REDDITATO_ ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:37:39 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What? Dude, just click it.
usbfridge ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:46:21 on June 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I meant why isn't there a Seinfeld-esque show based on the writing in this? Obviously it's an active subreddit.
UncharminglyWitty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:01:24 on June 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because it's pretty shit writing tbh. Comedy is hard. Even the best 10% of that sub would be trash. And it's all the same thing over and over. You'd get like... 3 episodes out of everything on that sub.
sidsixseven ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:13:27 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That sub was just waiting for it's moment. "Ok guys, it's go time."
[deleted] ยท -17 points ยท Posted at 00:11:07 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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isuckwithusernames ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 01:03:23 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Curb your enthusiasm does what's basically like a Seinfeld reunion for season 7. Larry David is a genius and he absolutely nailed it.
I don't think a direct reboot would work at all. Curb Your Enthusiasm was basically Larry David (the main or co-lead driver behind Seinfeld) making his attempt at bringing his and Seinfeld's type of humor into the 21st century (thought it's all Larry David for Curb). Comedians in Cars with Coffee was, in my opinion, Seinfeld's best attempt for a structured approach for his sense of humor.
sumsomeone ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:25:41 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just started to watch Curb your enthusiasm! Awesome writing in it for sure!
just_comments ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:15:03 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
NBC offered Jerry $100 million to do another season. He said no.
brendanjeffrey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:04:01 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Makes sense, especially since he was already wealthy by that time. Money becomes less important, the more you don't actually need it to leave well.
drakesylvan ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 00:41:33 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jason Alexander: Wait, there was a first Seinfeld reboot? I don't remember getting paid.
Jerry Seinfeld: Yeah we did it back in 2010 for that thing, you know the charity thing with the bear and that one girl.
Jason: what charity thing? This is the first I'm hearing of it, did you get paid? Because I'm not doing a lot these days, a man needs to eat, Jerry.
(Michael Richards walks in looking slightly depressed.)
Michael: Hey, I heard something about a revival, I'm kind of broke now, do we get royalties on it?
Jerry: No, Michael and Jason, you do not get royalties on a charity special.
Jason and Michael in unison: Damn!
In unison again: Jinx you owe me a coke.
Jerry: Would you two knock it off, this Reddit user is getting tired of reading this, you know their attention span is like a goldfish.
Jason: I heard a goldfish has a pretty good memory, actually.
Michael: where did you hear that?
Jason: Reddit.
And scene
boot2skull ยท 159 points ยท Posted at 00:22:03 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was hoping for edited video complete with Seinfeld baseline music.
Edit: *bassline thx autocorrect
musicianontherun ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 02:11:34 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In music, it's written bass.
Dickapple ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:19 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've always wondered why we spell it like that and then pronounce it differently from the bass fish
BertMacGyver ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 08:13:44 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And when its written in italics, it's pronounced "buttery biscuit bass"
adlaiking ยท 189 points ยท Posted at 00:43:32 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm disappointed there's no subplot where Ke$ha's concert gets canceled or is otherwise ruined by Jerry's hug rebuff.
Robby_Digital ยท 68 points ยท Posted at 01:24:36 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kramer has to fill in for Ke$ha
-obliviouscommenter- ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 03:40:03 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And he does with his bowler hat sporting chicken
Fordiman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:06:30 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The chicken subs in for Ke$ha.
misery-greenday ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:00:03 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He doesn't have any musical talent, so he just starts telling jokes that he's been hearing down at he cigar club. It's going okay until he notices some people of color leaving before he's done with his set...
Guyupnorth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:45:35 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then Kramer screams N***** at them.
I-Might-Love-KZ ยท 274 points ยท Posted at 23:59:32 on June 6, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man that was painful to watch
Infinifi ยท 203 points ยท Posted at 01:41:10 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jerry Seinfeld doesn't like to be touched by strangers. Who does? He has said as much during interviews
MrGuttFeeling ยท 67 points ยท Posted at 02:49:42 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But it was Kesha
Who?
Kesha
Who?
Kesha
Kesha who?
No, just Kesha
Don't know
Ke$ha with a dollar sign for the s
Oh, Ke$ha ...........nope
DoverBoys ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 03:13:34 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kedollaha?
SeanTheTranslator ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 05:06:23 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like "Kechingha" better.
You know, like ka-ching, the noise the cash register makes.
RPGX400 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:15:34 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kesha
Who?
Kesha, legendary singer...
Who??
Come on man. You know. kesha, famous singer/song writer, know for that song Tic Tock.
Who?
Oh, forget. This! I'm out. And at least my name isn't Starlord.
[deleted] ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 03:04:47 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At least he's honest about it being a fault
ShootyMcStabbyface ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 03:22:55 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not knowing who Kesha is is not a fault.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 03:41:36 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're right. But my response was to a comment with a link to a different interview where he discusses being a grumpy person.
MuaddibMcFly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:21:33 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He seems like a really reasonable guy.
I mean, still a jerk in some aspects, but reasonable about it (and admits it, which is refreshing)
the_black_panther_ ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 02:00:46 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah that was super awkward
jrob323 ยท 69 points ยท Posted at 00:52:43 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jerry Seinfeld is turning into Gilbert Gottfried.
broom_pan ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 02:50:54 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah should be on /r/cringe, if it isn't already. Although I can understand him not wanting to hug a complete stranger.
E: well, it's their top post now
VikingTeddy ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:13:11 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I felt co-shame watching it. Who the hell keeps pushing like that?
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:55:12 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She's probably never had that happen. She's probably used to get hugs from everyone so enthusiastically
DamaOscuraDeTodos ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:25:51 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously, I was even backing up in empathy.
swiftysam ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:08:37 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
drharris ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:33:34 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True, except since she doubled down on the initial rejection, now it's transcended to quadruple-weird.
grtwatkins ยท 199 points ยท Posted at 00:35:56 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Timing and interjection was good, but the lines seemed forced. A+ for effort though
HollaPenors ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 03:57:57 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Since its fucking Reddit I'm just glad there wasn't a random star wars line crammed in there somewhere.
BDMayhem ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 05:48:38 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Since it's Seinfeld, there should have been a random superman line crammed in there somewhere.
drharris ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:35:23 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kramer: (eating chicken) Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Plagueis The Wise?
Jerry: No
Kramer: I thought not. Itโs not a story the Jedi would tell you. Itโs a Sith legend. Darth Plagueis was a Dark Lord of the Sith, so powerful and so wise he could use the Force to influence the midichlorians to create lifeโฆ He had such a knowledge of the dark side, he could even keep the ones he cared about from dying.
Jerry: He could actually save people from death?
Kramer: The dark side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural.
Jerry: What happened to him?
Kramer: He became so powerfulโฆ the only thing he was afraid of was losing his power, which eventually, of course, he did. Unfortunately, he taught his apprentice everything he knew, then Ke$ha killed him in his sleep. Ironic. He could save others from death, but not himself.
UristMasterRace ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:36:52 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A surprise, to be sure, but a welcome one.
TK_FourTwoOne ยท 137 points ยท Posted at 01:28:18 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yea that wasn't as great as people are making it seem
ContentNausea666 ยท 150 points ยท Posted at 02:44:06 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it's pretty terrible, actually. "Kesha? What's a Kesha?" is really shitty, stereotypical sitcom writing. Seinfeld was much better than that.
[deleted] ยท 55 points ยท Posted at 03:28:03 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As someone who has watched Seinfeld at least 30 times over, reading that fan fic was very painful.
oditogre ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:00:37 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Enh. Not painfully bad, really, to me at least. It was just like...the written word equivalent of a caricature. Like each character was over the top; the most essential that character.
If Blue Man Group acted out the scene, it would be really obvious that they were doing Seinfeld and who was each character, but OTOH if the actual Seinfeld actors were doing it, you'd swear you were watching them do a reunion skit on SNL, not the actual show.
twelveoaklock ยท 84 points ยท Posted at 03:02:51 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right? This was absolute cringe beginning to end and people are making it seem like these people should be winning an emmy.
Not that I don't want people having fun writing comments, they're not writers obviously. But seeing this post hail the comments as perfect irks me because they really do miss the mark in many ways.
Zhongda ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 11:45:59 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They captured the spirit of the show.
HowYaGuysDoin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:09:31 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
OMG I can totally picture Jerry saying that. This is perfect I love it!!!!
(I wish I was entertained this easily)
Fthwrlddntskmfrsht ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:33:15 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True that, but then there's random lines like
And that right there is somehow dead on simply because the addition of the word "maybe". Suddenly it becomes Elaine and you can hear her saying just that, but with just a "Who do you think it was?" would be utterly bland and not believable of the character. Odd how that small but critical tidbit can be nailed and so much else can be so far off. Lol
ChickenOfDoom ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 02:29:31 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, it is technically fanfiction.
Fibonacci35813 ยท 78 points ยท Posted at 01:37:45 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Mulva thing was cringe worthy. Very forced. Besides, Jerry knew her name by the end of the episode (Deloris).
Le_Master ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 04:12:56 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously, that was the worst part about it. Why would they bring up the name Mulva again?
Maccaisgod ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 08:12:24 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They called her Mulva again in a later season where they brought the actress back again to be fair (it was after Jerry had got engaged and then it was called off)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:11:50 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because deloris isn't pronounced dileris? At least Mulva rhymes.
HowYaGuysDoin ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:08:41 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. Typical case of people trying too hard for karma. I don't see how this was the best thing ever, like it is being described. Then again, how often is anything submitted to bestof of actual quality?
[deleted] ยท 161 points ยท Posted at 22:52:32 on June 6, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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uniqsername ยท 105 points ยท Posted at 00:57:39 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually Larry is more like George irl
king_england ยท 87 points ยท Posted at 01:01:54 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The episode of Curb Your Enthusiasm where Jason Alexander bashes George as being a goofball is my favorite. Larry gets so offended.
crackalac ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 01:33:14 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know... He's the schmuck.
woundedbreakfast ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 06:22:34 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The more brilliant turn was Larry trying to play George during the Seinfeld reunion episodes and failing miserably.
[deleted] ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 01:03:22 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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uniqsername ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:51:24 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a reality show, they play themselves.
MarkSkywalker ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:21:42 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure that you know what a reality show is. They play themselves in the same sense that the cast of This Is the End play themselves. You're not meant to believe that they're actual events that have happened.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:29:50 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's actually something jerry would do in the show tho, not George. Jerry has those weird ticks.
isuckwithusernames ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 01:05:39 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They really aren't. I understand your opinion and they, having worked together for decades, share mannerisms and opinons on how social dynamics work, but I see very distinct personalities, with their sense of humors overlapping at several crucial aspects.
EDIT: I should mention my idolization of Lrrry David may make me biased (not that I don't fully respect Seinfeld on close to the same level)
JamesRustleford ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:24:33 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, they're friends for a reason.
Tarod777 ยท 63 points ยท Posted at 00:59:10 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Poor kesha, she can't catch a break
StockmanBaxter ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 14:17:43 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I still have no idea who that is. Is this someone I should know. Just doesn't seem worth the google search.
Dipitydoodahdipityay ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:10:58 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But it was worth the whole comment? Willful ignorance bugs me
cosmotheassman ยท 509 points ยท Posted at 00:15:15 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Am I the only one who is always underwhelmed by these threads? I am a huge fan of the show (see my username for example) and would watch multiple episodes every day for about 6 years while I was growing up. People usually do a good job of getting the rhythm down, but the dialogue doesn't come close to the quality of the show. I'm dont mean to crap all over their attempts; I just don't think many people can match the creative genius of Seinfeld, especially if theyre just bullshitting on reddit.
RadiantViper ยท 668 points ยท Posted at 00:17:22 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well yeah you're gonna be underwhelmed if you expect random Redditors to match the quality of one of the most critically acclaimed TV shows ever. It's just for fun.
sharkhuh ยท 200 points ยท Posted at 00:52:51 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not to mention it's done without edits and multiple users just tagging on whatever they see fit.
[deleted] ยท -23 points ยท Posted at 01:35:20 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Without edits, eh?
Nah, I'm sure they're minor.
cosmotheassman ยท 151 points ยท Posted at 00:54:06 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't mean to say it's not fun, I just don't think it "perfectly" captures the essence of the show. Some of the responses in that thread are overdone.
One of the things that made the show so great is Jerry's ability to coin a phrase that captures these everyday uncomfortable interactions, like "shrinkage," "man hands," "spongeworthy," or "close talker." In addition, the dialogue had fantastic observational comedy that was seamlessly integrated. For example, Jerry's bit on "givers" and "takers" in relationships, or when he says that admiring someone's cleavage is like looking at the sun. Oftentimes when I see these threads, they're missing these crucial elements, or providing a cheap impersonation at best. Without it, you're really just writing for an average sitcom like Two and a Half Men.
In this particular example, we are missing both elements of the dialogue. We need Jerry, George, or Elaine to coin a phrase that describes these intrusive huggers, and we need Jerry to talk about the nature of the hug and why Kesha's attempt was a violation of Jerry's perceived societal norms. I'm not going to embarrass myself with an attempt here, but I hope that makes sense to anyone reading this.
I know this is probably coming off as cranky and mean, but I'm really just trying to point out the brilliance of the show that seems to be lost on the average redditor.
DoNotElucidate ยท 57 points ยท Posted at 01:17:43 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not cranky at all. I think that's spot on. Some of the lines are clever, and they hint at the actual show's perspicacity, but it definitely lacks that "spark." Though Kramer walking in with a chicken did get a laugh from me immediately.
[deleted] ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 01:36:41 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought the chickens and hats was a little wacky even for Kramer.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:18:14 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There has been a very popular episode revolving around Kramer and a chicken, and numerous Kramer and wacky hats episodes.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:47:34 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How many hats do we think Jerry owns?
Like Jerry would just ignore that there's a chicken in his apartment.
I can think of Kramer wearing a wacky hat once off the top of my head and that's in the Joseph and the amazing technicolor dreamcoat episode.
Little Jerry Seinfeld was hilarious but a rooster.
My #4 puts holes in my second point
legendariusss ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:27:51 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is pretty difficult to perfectly mimic the writers and seinfelds comedic genius though
cosmotheassman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:21:09 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, that was definitely the best part of that thread and was something that did a good job to capture part of the show.
farfle10 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 02:34:25 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the 'hug introduction' could actually be a true Seinfeld joke if developed. The implications of a full hug vs. one of those half hugs with one hand, whether there was a squeeze, or not... G: "Did she squeeze?" J: "No squeeze." Could do a lot with that.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:32:29 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's almost like the writers of Seinfeld were getting paid to produce quality work.
cosmotheassman ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:48:06 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And, ya know, were very talented and funny people.
morgrath ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:07:07 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're comparing comments written in a few minutes off the cuff to episodes that took at least a week to write, with a fall staff of writers. Not really a fair comparison.
cosmotheassman ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:07:56 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well in fairness, I wasn't the one to make the initial comparison. My comment was the "backlash" to the hundreds of people thinking that those comments were on par with the show.
postExistence ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:07:18 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a succinct assessment of writing for Seinfeld. The problem is that when something is done really really well, it looks so easy and natural that people think anybody can do it. Like the Olympics, or talented musicians. But when you see someone screw up, smart people begin to appreciate how difficult it is. Dumb people still think it's easy and think the owner of the screw up is a moron that needs to get off the stage.
APartyInMyPants ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:20:02 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
On the other hand, I think it's because you're reading this knowing it was written by a bunch of strangers on the internet, who wrote it all on-the-fly without the benefit of a writers room, executive producers and test audiences.
I think the "beauty" of Seinfeld was that the dialog and language was very simplistic. And what made the show popular was all in the delivery and the characters. He had four main, unique characters that all had differences in their timing and delivery of a joke. You could feed each one he same lines and they would all come out different. Watch any rehashed, five white people in a restaurant comedy now and they all just sound the same.
"No soup for you" is, inherently, not a funny line. There's nothing comedic about it. But when you put that in the scenario and context of the four absurdly narcissistic characters and their mini-universes, you can spin gold out of it. Seinfeld (and I'm honestly not a big fan of the show) really nailed the "situation" in sitcom in such a way that few comedies have been able to pull off since, especially for as long a run.
bukkacakes ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:15:14 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well the title does says the "perfect" Seinfeld scene..
Pullo_T ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:20:17 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's a place for that kind of fun: /r/RedditWritesSeinfeld
ldnk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:44:44 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In high school I worked on a show for our basic cable that was a really bad Seinfeld copy. We only filmed 5 episodes and I think they aired at 300am.
At the time it was a blast but my god was it terrible.
JamesT_Kirk ยท 81 points ยท Posted at 00:33:42 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm with ya. This basically just combined lazy "what's the deal with ____" seinfeldisms with obvious references from the show (Kramer's chicken, Mulva). Was kind of lame, I sort of can't believe people are loving it so much. Doesn't even really capture the tone of the show that well.
Swing_Right ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 01:25:20 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know, right? You don't even really need to watch much Seinfeld to do what they did. It boiled down to putting a character's name in front of a reference to the show and all of a sudden everyone's cumming all over the 'perfect seinfeld scene'
Wemovil ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:26:55 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yes it does, the seinfeld show was just meh.
Razzler1973 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:11:16 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
cause just a regular guy wrote it and if he can do it and we all love it then we are ALL on the brink of being successful TV writers and rich!
... like, if I wanted to but I totally don't want to, ok
DirtyPiss ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:45:33 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This might be more your alley: r/SeinfeldWritesSeinfeld
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:32:44 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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DirtyPiss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:21:07 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd re-read my comment a little more carefully friend, I think you'd find its the exact kind of writing style he's asking for :P
iUptvote ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:05:50 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a huge fan and I honestly didn't care much for this one. Some of them are okay and closer to the original show than others. But it will never compare to the original.
brkello ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:49:36 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not the only one, that was terrible writing.
I feel like I am in opposite land. I find the story in a lot of games to be decent and people completely tear it apart. Then I see something like this and people gild it and label it best of. Just weird.
It was fine for what it was...a comment on a video, but nothing special.
xilpaxim ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 00:43:39 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They are writing in a moments time. Those shows are written and rewritten and rewritten until they have a humming polish. God damn dude, what do you want?
REDDITATO_ ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 02:46:47 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The title of this thread doesn't need to be so dramatic. That's probably what's bugging them.
superfudge ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:23:29 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The title of the thread calls it "the perfect Seinfeld scene". It's far from perfect.
_Valisk ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:50:50 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, I expected "the perfect Seinfeld scene." What I got was lame references twisted so they fit the narrative. It's like someone just vaguely knows some Seinfeld references and wanted to join in.
cosmotheassman ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 01:18:55 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll paraphrase another comment I made about these threads. In an actual episode of Seinfeld, this bit of dialogue would feature either a catchphrase (like "man hands" or "close talker") to describe someone who always goes for the hug, or funny observations on hugs and their place in society (like the kiss hello, or the appropriate use of the word breathtaking as a way to describe someone's looks). I'm not expecting anyone to match that genius, but I think it's ridiculous for people to say that it's a perfect or even good replica of the show when it completely whiffs on the stuff that made Seinfeld what it is.
xilpaxim ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:46:24 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Again. 2 minute effort vs weeks and months of several people punching up a script.
Lordmorgoth666 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:20:16 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People are way too overly analytical on this stuff. I agree with you. It's not supposed to win an Emmy. It was some people just shooting the shit about a made up seinfeld scene. It's was completely off the cuff. The first time I read it when the thread was still new, it struck me as pretty funny. When I reread it following the bestof link, it wasn't as good. I can see where it would be terrible as an actual script but for some random people improvising a script, it wasn't awful.
Far too many people on this site fall under /r/iamverysmart.
Butt_Drips ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:50:10 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The reason you are underwhelmed is because you are such a huge fan. People who casually know of Seinfeld are the target audience for these kinds of jokes...
grandwahs ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:39:10 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The fact that "Mulva" was used multiple times is all you need to know. The fact that it needed to rely on a joke from another episode indicates that it wasn't that great.
Realtrain ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:47:36 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know what you mean. But I have to say, occasionally there is dialogue on here that seems absolutely perfect.
OhNoCosmo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:56:59 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Still, it was a pretty impressive effort from the B team. Jerry Seinfeld and Larry David obviously would be expected to lay down a much better script - that's why they're worth more money than God.
BornInTheRSA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:23:07 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And aren't you glad about that?
TonyzTone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:55:51 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The problem is that your reading a counterfeit Seinfeld scene. Even when shows hire new writing staff, the staff is trained for the voice of the show. They'll spend time understanding the actors and how to write for them on top of the assumption that they'd already have an idea before being hired.
Sitcoms had one show a week a usually two or three teams each working on an episode. That means a whole episode might take anywhere from two to three weeks to write.
Reddit will never produce anything of that quality.
atacms ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:03:53 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's cool cause I don't even like Seinfeld so watching different users stitch together their thought process is way more entertaining to me
MumrikDK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:53:55 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's people trying to hit the voices and rhythm of the show - not actually trying to make something funny or thought-provoking.
It's kind of like when animals or toddlers try to imitate human speech. They're aiming to emulate rather than actually use the language.
Pullo_T ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 01:19:35 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Besides the fact that is lame plagiarism, what is the point anyway?
FrancescaOcean ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 01:33:32 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't hug someone I didn't know either.
j1ggy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:59:32 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not even me?
Kasmblam ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:10:20 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, please?
shastmak4 ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 03:58:17 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People calling him a dick go out side and ask to hug random people and see how they react. He probably has dozens of people everyday coming up to him and doing these types of things. It's very understandable. Isn't he like 60, how the fuck would he know who Kesha is.
HillbillyMan ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 05:58:22 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean this doesn't push him over the top for me, but he's had multiple instances where I just thought to myself "wow, he's kind of a dick"
And while I understand rejecting a hug from some random person, those thoyghts of "he's kind of a dick" were the first to pop into my head.
xeroskiller ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:20:05 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An honest and well-reasoned response. I'm 30 and wouldn't reject a hug from most strangers, but its more than likely cultural (mid-westerner). FWIW, I thought he was kind of a dick, too.
truckerslife ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:04:01 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also he has issues with anyone physically touching him.
meanoldmrmustard ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 02:42:39 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Since when is hugging an acceptable way to greet a stranger? Seems a little too personal.
RallyUp ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:25:37 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder who will be the first to bring this up during his next (148th?) AMA
rosendito ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:16:33 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love it. So Jerry. Like the episode when he wouldn't kiss everyone in the building.
effedup ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:12:05 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jerry Seinfeld is a germaphobe.. That's an extremely relevant point to this. Should put this into context.
caesarenricobandello ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:18:02 on June 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This should be the top comment
available_username2 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 00:51:00 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
These comments are about nothing
tritter211 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:42:00 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your comment is about nothing.
Seastep ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:56:18 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's raining gold in that thread.
Bhalgoth ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:55:09 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
George: "What do you mean you didn't hug her? Are you crazy?! She's Kesha! Y'know what I'd give to even be acknowledged by a woman like that Jerry?!"
Razzler1973 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 07:13:52 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The reddit writing Seinfeld thing is like people watching Sports their whole lives who think they can offer better analysis than the pundits on TV.
You can't and it's a lot more difficult than you think
UnluckyLuke ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:06:52 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I kind of have to agree there. Especially since they're shoehorning Mulva in the story.
McKoijion ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:55:44 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't remember which episode of Comedians of Cars Getting Coffee it was, I think maybe Bill Burr? Anyways, the guest makes a joke about how Seinfeld does really clean comedy, but there is a hidden rage underneath it all. The more I watch that show, the more I feel like it's true. It's subtle, but noticeable. Jerry Seinfeld has more contempt for people than almost any person I've ever seen on television. I don't mean that in a bad way. I think it's part of what makes most comedians (except for maybe Jimmy Fallon) good. It's just fascinating.
Bloodlvst ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:20:41 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, people consider Jimmy Fallon a comedian?
Thelutherblissett ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:41:12 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its kind of like this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDh5tM0Zr2w
_youtubot_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:09:12 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Video linked by /u/Thelutherblissett:
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lord_giggle_goof ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:38:34 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I was a big celeb, interrupted mid-interview by someone I don't even know, for a hug, well... I think he handled it just fine.
hybridatomsk ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:39:08 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't see why he was wrong for not hugging her. He said he didn't know who she was. I would have done the same.
juturna ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 00:57:33 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Love Seinfeld and all but comes off as a bit of a dick here.
JustinPA ยท 53 points ยท Posted at 01:37:04 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He doesn't seem to know who she is. Which isn't at all strange, considering his age. I remember that one song she did but I wouldn't being able to recognize her. Maybe he just doesn't want a hug from a random woman?
Dr4cul3 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 07:28:33 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, unless you actively follow pop music I don't think it's all that strange to not know who she is.. I know her name, but without googling her I wouldn't know what kesha looks like
ReservoirGods ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 07:18:42 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not only his age but Kesha also hasn't dropped new music since 2013 when she did that collab with Pitbull and she only started being famous in 2009. I know she has had that whole lawsuit thing going on which has put her production on hold but I honestly wouldn't have recognized or thought of her either because it has been so long since I have heard anyone talk about her.
betrayb3 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:38:37 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That and the fact she fully interrupts the interview.
SoDamnShallow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:12:11 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seeing as she didn't look like the posterchild for r/trashy, I would have no idea who she was if it weren't for the title.
I'm used to her looking greasy and sweaty, while covered in body glitter, and wearing enough eyeliner to make a raccoon jealous.
geeprimus ยท 79 points ยท Posted at 01:02:14 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In all fairness, some people don't like to be touched. See what happens when you try to shake howie Mandel's hand.
saltyplumsoda ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 01:28:34 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seinfeld is also on record saying he's on the autism spectrum, and not wanting to be hugged would jive with that.
aa24577 ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 02:55:58 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol no he's not, he took that comment back. He just said he related to people on the spectrum to some degree.
juturna ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:47:26 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's a good point I'd not considered. Explains a lot.
RobAChurch ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:01:33 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love Joe Pesci but if I ever see him I'm not even gonna make eye contact let alone touch him. Some people have that demeanor about them where you just know. Jerry is like that. So is Gene Hackman...
HappyPlace003 ยท 71 points ยท Posted at 01:32:22 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How? How is not wanting a hug from a stranger a dick move? How is she not rude for pressing for the hug after recent rejection; forcing a more stern response from him?
Razzler1973 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 07:12:31 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think she may have been under the impression that he knew who she was.
Also, he was being interviewed, why not wait until after and then approach him and introduce yourself.
Then it wouldn't have been on camera, would it ...
english-23 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:16:03 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm guessing it might be from the "I wish her the best" line being interpreted as "she can f off" which I can somewhat see it coming off like that a little but I understand the hug rejection part
Dan4t ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 04:33:42 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a dick if I don't want a hug from a stronger? Seriously?
SilentFungus ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:01:18 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah thats not being a dick, they might break your ribs!
truckerslife ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:08:34 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He doesn't like physical contact. So multiply that for a stranger.
William_GFL ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 00:42:01 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've never been a fan, can someone explain what they like about it? I tried watching it but it seems the same as any other sitcom
[deleted] ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 00:52:21 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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OldWolf2 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 01:43:59 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I watched the very first Star Trek movie for the first time, this year. The whole thing was full of basic cliches, I had to keep reminding myself that those would not have been cliches at the time it was released!
JafafaHots ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:50:03 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, I went to see the first Star Trek when it came out with my high school Sci Fi club... we were disappointed. It really just sucked, even when it came out.
Maccaisgod ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:20:31 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The first star trek movie is the only good one in my book. Reminds me of one of my favourite movies, 2001 a space odyssey, and was the most like the show. The tng movies were even worse than the tos films though. I'd have loved a DS9 movie. Instead of turning tng into an action movie when it was never about action, turn the actual action heavy star trek series into a big production movie with a huge dominion battle or something
SonarBeAR ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 01:30:30 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is why I can't watch fight club anymore. So many movies copied the same type of twist that the origin of it now seems cliche
luckyshoelace94 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:12:49 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel the same way about Lord of the Rings in many ways.
narf007 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:26:44 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can you elaborate on that? I'm intrigued.
luckyshoelace94 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:17:39 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, maybe it is because I watched it when I was 21 (and have not read the books). But i felt that ut was pretty bland and lacked any real since of sacrifice or loss at the end. It felt like a child's fairy tale, and I guess I was expecting something else from the godfather of fantasy.
However, I would not by any stretch of the imagination say LOTR was bad. But as someone who gushes over The Elder Scrolls and Game of Thrones i thought i would be blown away. But I realize at the same time that LOTR is what made those other series possible. It was the skeleton that the bodies grew on. Everyone took inspiration from tolkien and ran with the ideas, and made new things from them. In comparison, however, the LOTR felt extremely meh. It's value, to me, lies in the tremendous influence it has had on pop culture and literature.
I'm aware that this grinds a lot folks' gears.
William_GFL ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:35:19 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your last part explained it. I find most sitcoms super boring, so I'm not sure why I'm surprised.
The trope page didn't answer my question, however, it was insightful.
newsagg ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 00:58:33 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty much the same reason I hate the Beatles. I know that's the reason why (their influence) but it doesn't change the fact their music is siht.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:18:24 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're shit to you. Humor and music are both about as subjective as it gets.
newsagg ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 02:20:58 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, you can definitely judge both objectively.
Music viewed by its Entropy content: A novel window for comparative analysis
jsnakal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:53:00 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Read the conclusion in that article you just linked dipshit. You can't just link random articles and pretend like they're at all relevant to the conversation. This study (and their conclusion) has nothing to do with rating music as objectively good or bad.
newsagg ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:30:13 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's what makes it objective. That's what I said. Good and bad are relative terms.
DudeNiceMARMOT ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:31:08 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Imagine, we all have our opinions.
newsagg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:21:47 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm trying but all I see is me and robots.
wheelgator21 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 01:35:56 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So The Beatles and Seinfeld were extremely influential despite the fact that they're shit? Got it.
slivbodiv ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:23:58 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're probably gonna get killed with downvotes, but I see where you are coming from. I don't think their music is shit, but I'm not a fan. It bores me. I can see the importance of it though.
PurplePickel ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 03:06:43 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Really OP? The "perfect" scene? Did you actually watch seinfeld, or are you just trying to editorialise your title for karma?
AtomicBlackJellyfish ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 03:12:35 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's bestof. It's a rule that all titles must contain either "perfect" or "eloquent."
๐๏ธ RudieCantFaiI ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:52:01 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iโve watched every episode of Seinfeld probably 5 or 6 times. If you donโt like it, then tough shit.
PurplePickel ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 03:56:22 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right, so you agree that you editorialised your title then. Case closed!
Bloodlvst ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:16:50 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well you also implied he never watched it and that was editorialising. So the by your logic him watching the show means it wasn't editorialised.
PurplePickel ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 04:22:16 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He never denied editoralising the title though, admission by silence!
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:22:24 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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j1ggy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:00:13 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ehh... it would have needed a bit more explanation and the story would have to revolve around it more.
Jesusloveskfc ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:54:57 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is the first time I've actually seen the comments before the best of post, am I redditing too much.
MagicPanties ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:32:36 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Poor Kesha, but the dipshit was rude, shouldn't interrupt someone's interview, serves her right.
truckerslife ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:59:50 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He doesn't like people touching him.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:08:50 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do I really want to see that episode, or do I just want to see any new episodes of Seinfeld?
chrismsx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:56:36 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
haha...not only is this very much the Jerry we've grown to love but if his wife is anything like my girlfriend he's also just being smart...
xoites ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:39:03 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He never did strike me as a warm person and I never liked his show.
A group of selfish people who cared about no one other than themselves.
DetEndeloseSvart ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 03:34:53 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That was kind of the point. It was a show about four selfish, insufferable people. Even the series finale played on this: The group stood around watching an overweight man get mugged in public. They were taken to court over their inaction, and the court proceedings were just an endless string of people they'd wronged over the course of the series.
xoites ยท -15 points ยท Posted at 03:39:20 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then I missed the point.
To me telling a story is about showing people how to better themselves.
Having a series that shows people being assholes for years and then putting them in jail is not uplifting or interesting.
muricabrb ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 05:54:17 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you only watch Disney channel?
xoites ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 06:10:47 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, I watch Little Mermurderer and Finding an Killing Nemo exclusively.
Dan4t ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 04:40:36 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Showing the bad is another way of showing people how to better themselves. A lesson on what not to do, and highlight the absurdity of their selfishness.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:14:46 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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xoites ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:26:58 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, I have never watched it.
DetEndeloseSvart ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:07:53 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's a very shallow view of storytelling. If those are the types of stories that you personally prefer, that's one thing. But if all stories were sugar-coated preachiness, I think storytelling as an art form would have died out millenia ago.
Well, of course it was more than just that. That'd be like writing off The Simpsons because it's just "a dysfunctional nuclear family who live in the suburbs."
xoites ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:25:19 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A story doesn't need to be uplifting or sugar coated to show people how to better themselves. Look at Breaking Bad.
When people get involved in characters they don't even have to like them to be invested in them. Seinfeld threw them all under the bus.
FujiKitakyusho ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:13:47 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That was the series finale.
xoites ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 03:25:33 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know. I saw that, but that was my impression during the entire series although I only saw random episodes at other people's houses when I was visiting and they were watching.
The "Soup Nazi?"
You want a bowl of soup that you like and the guy who cooks it is an asshole?
Go make it yourself and stop whining.
ptemple ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:59:02 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a satire on what people put themselves through to be part of the "in" crowd. Like "face control" outside a nightclub, or a snobby maรฎtre d at a trendy restaurant. The joke is that the snobbery has become so pervasive that it's worked its way all the way down to take-away soup. It can be just any soup, it has to be THAT soup.
Phillip.
martyoscm ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:27:11 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jerry: what's the point of the hugging? You're standing there and someone presses their body on you? Then you gotta hold it- no good. Elaine: what about a side hug? Jerry: that's even worse! I want to avoid human contact of all kind. Kramer slides in: I heard you rejected Kesha! Jerry: your right I did and I would do it again, I'm against hugging of all kind!
kx3876 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:08:57 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Never thought he was funny, never thought his show was funny, never understood people who think that shit is funny.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 04:11:32 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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narf007 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 07:36:48 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just because someone doesn't find joy in something that you do isn't a problem. It does not matter if they're 'young'. I see this nonsense on here far too often. Everything is subjective. Yet if any person on this forum says anything slightly against the "hive mind" they're downvoted and buried.
That's not fair and it's completely ridiculous. Allow other people to have their own opinions.
I happen to agree. I don't think he's funny. I don't think anything he's done is funny. The show does not entertain me and seems more like a chore to endure. I'm not going to crucify someone because they like him though. Posting links and evidence and etc that one thinks supports their opinion will do nothing. It's an opinion.
The Reddit circle jerk around Seinfeld is horrendous. Much like many other concepts and topics. Let people have their own opinion and respect it.
BeeboBaggins ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 09:38:08 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's it. This is it. I'm done. Through. It's over. I'm gone. Finished. Over. I will never work for you again. Look at you. You think you're an important man? Is that what you think? You are a laughingstock. You are a joke. These people are laughing at you. You're nothing! You have no brains, no ability, nothing!
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narf007 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:39:34 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't mean it to seem like an attack on you or anything. That's my bad. I just get very fed up with this forum and it's tunnel vision with certain topics. You go against the hive mind and this happens. I was just throwing it out as a general complaint. The entire thread was filled with mostly comments agreeing that it was great then every time someone posted their different opinion they were told they're wrong. It's their opinion. That's not the appropriate way to go about sharing information.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:04:28 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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narf007 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:08:03 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for being understanding. Cheers, mate.
MacrosInHisSleep ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:52:34 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm guessing you didn't read the article he linked. It's about how when shows come out with something original, it gets mimicked and elaborated upon by many shows which follow it. So when someone new comes along who has watched all shows which derived from the original, and then watches the original afterwards, it seems completely unoriginal.
So his comment is not so much a dig against 'youth' as much as it is pointing out the fact that younger audiences compare it to the refined and even over-saturated product which they grew up with.
Kind of like how bullet time was done in so many movies after that, and as technology got better it looked even better than it did in the matrix, and then got to a point where everyone got sick of it. So someone coming from that background and then seeing the Matrix for the first time would think it's a really boring sequence compared to how someone who watched it in theaters for the first time was way more likely to be blown away by it.
That said, I grew up when Seinfeld was coming out, and I really didn't enjoy the humor and I agree with your opinion of the guy. Funnily enough, I enjoy these reddit creations more than the actual show.
keppp ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:20:11 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah so you're too young. Gotcha.
UnluckyLuke ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 11:08:16 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you think 100% of the adult population likes Seinfeld?
keppp ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 12:54:45 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nowhere did I say that. There's no one thing that 100% of the adult population unanimously likes.
I simply inferred that he was too young to attempt to appreciate it based off of him blatantly deflecting the question.
UnluckyLuke ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:52:09 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's apparently seen what Seinfeld has to offer. So I don't think it's fair to say he hasn't attempted to like it.
I don't think he was dismissing Seinfeld. He's saying entertainment is subjective, and that you can't just say that if someone doesn't like it it's because of their age.
Now, I like Seinfeld and TVTropes, and the guy above did come off as fairly aggressive. But you don't know how old the guy is.
keppp ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:40:28 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone asked him if he was young and he completely dodged the question. Doesn't take a genius to connect the dots.
A quick look at his post history confirms this.
UnluckyLuke ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:47:36 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well you might have been right, but there was no real reason to assume he was young.
McGooby ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:34:52 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't hug Kesha either, but then again, I'm a nobody, and even with my nobody status, I wouldn't do it in such a dick way. Seinfeld, you are a dick!
sporifolous ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:35:04 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How would you have done it?
McGooby ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 07:21:29 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It wouldn't have mattered, because no one would have been watching me. The thing here is, Seinfeld knew he was being watched, he was just being a big fucking douchebag, especially commenting afterwards about it. But, OK, for me, what I do if I don't want a hug or a kiss on the cheek, is step back and put my hand out for a handshake instead.
Muff_Ryder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:19:41 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
kramer trying different hats on a live chicken... how Ko0kY.
-er ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:43:06 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wake up in the mornin' feelin' like P Diddy. Yadda yadda yadda I'm going to hit the city...
ajrfivestar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:57:23 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They are bringing curb your enthusiasm back to HBO, this has been a great warm up exercise.
ddpowkk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:27:58 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah It would be higher up if I posted earlier and got more upvotes
owen__wilsons__nose ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:51:42 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can we now get a Curb Your Enthusiasm writing thread going? Let's pretend Larry Davis snubbed Kesha
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ReevJax ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:09:04 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love that he has no idea who she is
Erekai ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:37:21 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wife walked into room and found me laughing out loud at the Seinfeld scenario. So great
GunstarRed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:54:01 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
These never fucking work on moble.
-3point14159-mp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:53:53 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is no one going to comment on the fact that Seinfeld is morphing into Gilbert Godfrey?
Formaggio_svizzero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:42:23 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
his name is written Gottfried
-3point14159-mp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:44:22 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Damnit. Thanks. Shouldn't try to Swype names.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:33:39 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That was just... so bad. I liked the video; it's perfectly Jerry. But the "perfect Seinfeld scene" was shitty fan fiction.
big_if_truth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:45:45 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Still... who the hell is Kesha
Cutlasss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:31:08 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She's a pop singer. Not sure how well known she is, but she's not a complete unknown.
Unknownirish ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:33:45 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jerry Seinfeld is fucking hilarious.
DudeNiceMARMOT ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:55:56 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I always felt that Jerry was a spineless coward.
Now I know that he has no interest in unusual vaginers either..
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:35:26 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know.... I needed this. I had s real shit day and I needed to smile. Fucking reddit is a strange place.
GGuitarHero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:18:25 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You'll have better days if they don't end in front of a computer screen
Jurjeneros ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:11:09 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I dont know man that was really unfunny to me. I guess it isnt my kinda thing.
patrickoriley ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 03:18:03 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's almost like Seinfeld was a poorly written show that almost anyone could emulate.
knumbknuts ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:00:24 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is one of the best things I've ever read on reddit.
I_ama_Borat ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:13:15 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, glad that those guys didn't work on the show.
[deleted] ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 02:13:27 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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truckerslife ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:07:33 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He doesn't like physical contact in general from what I've read.
Darksoldierr ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:33:42 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, this could literally be Friends, or How i met your Mother
Or perhaps all the sitcoms are just written the same way to me
ruffyreborn ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:57:09 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just realized how similar Kramer and Rick (from Rick and Morty) are. Their mannerisms and the way they talk when flustered
10010101 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:32:15 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have money now,scram. I hate that guy.
deadandroid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:20:14 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He would've likely acted that way even if he were not as rich as he is. He didn't accept random hugs from people when he was doing stand up before he got a show.
He just doesn't like to be hugged by strange weirdos that think they can force physical contact on someone. Why does that make him a jerk?
10010101 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:03:14 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not a jerk. But the face he make at the end after he laugh make me hate him.At least offer a handshake.
deadandroid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:14:31 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think that inviting someone to touch your hand after politely telling them that you don't want them to touch you is a good idea. She could easily have taken advantage of that and pulled in for a hug, then he looks like an attacker if he pushes her off.
Give someone an inch and they'll take a mile.
buttface3001 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:25:28 on June 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What a dick. He's on the carpet being interviewed, obviously anyone there has been vetted. I know Keisha isn't popular but cmon, what an asshole. Weirdo germaphobe, stay indoors.
Pnewse ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 02:51:54 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What is this literal cancer for mobile devices?
Old_man_Trafford ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:05:11 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They'd never dare to do this before they became a cult classic.
somanyroads ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 10:42:57 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's time for a proper Seinfeld reunion...we need new seasons ๐
Booney3721 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 02:17:13 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Calling r/netflix WE NEED MORE EPISODES!!!
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 13:38:35 on June 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nothing about that was anything close to a real Seinfeld scene. Not the tone. It's complete lack of any humorous observation or language.