Why do Reddit atheists always refer to (primarily the Christian) God as a “sky god”? Do they not understand the extremely basic idea that “the heavens” is not a literal concept of the Earth’s sky and Christians don’t actually believe God is some old guy that’s out there floating on a cloud? I swear their knowledge of Christianity comes from Family Guy.
Mandating the vaccine is control. Mandating masks is control. Not allowing citizens to conduct commerce or move about their country without getting an experimental injection is control. Shutting down peoples businesses over a glorified flu is control.
The only retards are the ones who are okay with thinly disguised authoritarianism
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mRNA vaccines have been around a long time and are well understood
Yeah and essentially all companies that tried researching them pre-covid abandoned the idea because there were just too many side effects. In fact, the covid vaccines are the first approved mRNA vaccines ever.
Yes so let’s mandate people to take an experimental vaccine, the first of its kind, with no long term studies. If any other drug had the amount of VAERS reported side effects that these do, they would be halted immediately.
Absolute insanity. People should be able to decide what they put in their bodies.
This conversation doesn't need to happen in the abstract. We've vaccinated hundreds of millions of people with the mRNA coronavirus vaccines. Severe side effects are extraordinarily rare. We had trials before that with tens of thousands of people. Severe side effects were also extraordinarily rare then.
Masks and vaccines are for people's protection, whether they are sick or not. Part of the point of wearing a mask in the first place is to prevent people that do have it from spreading it around.
Are masks foolproof?
No. Neither are the vaccines, but who the hell is it killing when a person puts a piece of cloth over their nose and mouth?
People act like wearing a mask is just the most pernicious thing you could ask of them and I don't understand it...
Sierpy · 14 points · Posted at 23:21:26 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
I don’t disagree that masks are effective or important, but that’s not exactly the point here. The point is simply that mask mandates, mandatory vaccination, vaccine pass and lockdowns are all forms of control. Reddit atheists accuse religious people of blindly following certain beliefs or people, but they do just that. Sure, there are those who have studied and came to defend their positions as a result of that, but most of them are just blindly following what social media feeds them.
The mandatory vaccination is ridiculous. I got mine because I believe people with PhDs more than someone with 100 Instagram followers. But FORCING people to get vaccinated within state institutions with the threat of job loss is bullshit. I’m usually conservative, but really government? Blackmail?
I support it. You are part of a society and if you want to remain part of said society you have a duty to protect each other.
I understand why people are concerned about it and I do wonder whether there could be a better alternative to loss of work but if you're not vaccinated you shouldnt be around other people.
Exactly, there are dozens of things a society mandates we do if we want to participate in it. Acts, that if we don't do, lead to punishment by the authority (fines) and ostracisation from our societies (prison).
Paying taxes for one. Want to drive? Then in the interests of society you are mandated to drive on the correct side of the road and stop at Stop signs, pay for insurance and road tax.
Sirpz · -7 points · Posted at 01:26:26 on August 31, 2021 · (Permalink)*
It literally doesn't hurt anybody to wear a mask or get a vaccine. It's incredibly childish to take a safety precaution on a personal attack. I hate masks, yea, but I wear them and get my vaccine so I can more quickly get back to normal life and get past this shit
Keep downvoting you retards, you're just as bad as the opposite end of the spectrum hivemind and if not more childish. I remember when this sub was about displaying the absolute degenerates of Reddit and subhuman groomers, not a circle jerk for vaccine conspiracy theories
Institutions don't need to be religious for them to cause similar kinda of harm. The truth of the matter is that religion is a mixed bag for its "goodness" because it absolutely has helped people and has hurt people.
No one is arguing that religion is the only institution that can cause damage. It wasn't me that brought up religion to counter their point, it was them :P
But the mixed bag thing isn't true. I used to stay out of the debate for that exact reason: I didn't know whether religion has done more harm than good.
Well, I read a book on it that breaks the argument down and the answer is pretty clear. Religion has done significant more to damage than to help.
If you admit that religion has helped, then you admit it's a mixed bag. I didn't say what the ratio of the mix was. Although I personally believe it's done mostly better, I can understand the view that it's done mostly good. Just remember that science and individualism came about because of religion.
No, the phrase mixed bag implies that the ratio is at least somewhat even. You wouldn't walk away from a burning house where you lose everything and say "it's a mixed bag" because you managed to grab your favourite plant on your way out. You're glad you grabbed your prized possession but the bag is pretty shit no matter what angle you look at it.
I referenced a fantastic book that covers this. I recommend reading it. I cant imagine anyone continuing to believe that religion has done more good after reading it. "The God Delusion".
Not much else to debate about unless you've already read it.
I haven't read the book, but I just realized which book you were talking about. There really is nothing else to debate here. If you think "The God Delusion" is the end all be all of how religions have done more harm than good... I have nothing to say to you.
Well, it's just that the book is about religion being a delusion and that faith in a God is incorrect. Ignoring his blunders in theology and metaphysics that I've heard people complain about, the topic of whether or not religion has helped more people than harmed isn't particularly addressed. Especially from a historical viewpoint.
Your argument is like saying you've read the communist manifesto, and quite clearly capitalism is a failed system from that singular source. I don't think you can use a book by the HEAVILY biased Richard Dawkins as a singular end all source.
Religion as an institution can be looked at as largely negative. This however is more an argument against government than it is the religion itself. People in power have abused religion as a scapegoat.
It's pretty tough to accurately assess the good it's done because historically the vast majority of people are religious, many of whom behave the way they do because of religion.
Here are some inarguable facts:
Religious people are far more likely to have stable homes and families. In general they are more likely to be married.
Regular practice of religion is linked with astronomically lower rates of depression and other mental illness
Regular practice of religion is linked with drug and alcohol rehabilitation, and lower rates of abuse and addiction
Religion gives people a moral baseline. One could argue it isn't necessary for religion to lay down that baseline, but it is true nonetheless.
Religion was the reason for the vast majority of art and architecture that put Europe ahead of most of the modern world. Theyre definitely still teaching sagrada familia and davinci.
As opposed to all the sources or evidence he's put forward? Ah, no there wasn't any. None of this conversation was productive and useful from either side. If he hasn't read the same literature then we can't properly discuss it.
I'll also point out I welcomed any counter arguments in a previous comment so... no I don't accept that criticism.
whom behave the way they do because of religion
Is this dipping into the argument that people only act ethically because their God directs them to?
I'm not directly defending the other redditor, just making a comment that you aren't being objective by using a single book as your only source of evidence to back up the claim that religion has done more harm than good. I haven't read it all, but did read a bit and watch a lot of Dawkins years ago. I think he's quite intelligent and well spoken so I don't mean to diminish the book either.
To your last point, no but I understand the confusion to my previous comment. I think that most religious people would act with a moral compass as atheists hypothetically speaking.
I mean that many people are motivated by religion to better themselves and their communities. As a very simple example, church groups work for free with soup kitchens in impoverished areas. This is incredibly difficult to analyze and would take leagues of people to even attempt to quantify.
"Hypocrite that you are, for you trust the chemicals in your brain to tell you they are chemicals. All knowledge is ultimately based on that which cannot prove. Will you fight? Or will you perish like a dog?"
I used to be such a miserable piece of shit, then I changed my outlook on life and I've been so happy and content for the past few years. It's hard to think positively sometimes, but man, consistently thinking that way has changed me more than I can put into words.
Exactly how I was. I reflect back on the old me. Always angry about something. Could get mad at the drop of a hat. Don’t remember when exactly I made the change, but I reflect on how I was back then and it’s an eye opener. I see the old me in a lot of Redditors. Especially so when I dare to peruse “All” and “Popular”.
It’s freeing being positive. As you said, it’s not always easy. Really damned hard even sometimes. But even that feels so much better than how I used to.
iSailor · 11 points · Posted at 19:28:12 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
Unless we are talking about toxic positivity, of which there's plenty around. I'm also positvely-thinking person, but I can't stand toxic positivity on e.g. Reddit, i.e. pretending to be euphoric over anything I see.
like sure, moralised determinism is gigacringe, "its not my fault officer, my poor socioeconomic background forced me to rape that woman"..
but determinism isnt a moral system. If you arent responsible for what you do, than you arent punished for the things you do, but rather for what you are.
Determinism without a moral component is a lot harsher than even self-responsebility, since its not your choices that make you pathetic, but you being pathetic in the first place.
also determinism is a great anticope.
"muh couldve"
no. Never. only one string of reality, and it wouldve always happened that way, do better in the future.
Determinism is pretty based. but most armchair determinists are actually just partial determinists, kinda like this: everything bad that happens to me is predetermined and not my responsebility, but everything good that happened is to be atttributed to my great choices, in that case denying responsebility for mistakes, and claiming it for fortunes.
Determinism is inherently moral. You can’t make moral judgements under that view, as you have no free will. You cant say “I should’ve done this” as you are not in control of your “doing.” You can’t have determinism “without a moral component” as the action of believing in determinism requires that you should believe in it (assuming it is true), which you can’t, since there is no free will to make the claim that you should believe in it.
If something is true there is a logical imperative to believe it is true. If we we should not believe true things then logical debate is meaningless. If we shouldn’t believe true things then we shouldn’t believe that we shouldn’t believe in true things, and so on. When you enter into debate or discussion you acknowledge that truth should be believed.
The logic youre determined to believe in could be faulty, so thered still be discourse
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 09:50:14 on September 1, 2021 · (Permalink)
Couldn’t you say under determinism there is no good or bad choice there is only a forced choice. If someone put a mind control device and told you to do something should you be held morally responsible for it.
SirCaju · 204 points · Posted at 15:18:11 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)*
Why blame myself for my problems when I could blame muh chemical reactions? Am I right fellow redditors?
I think you can view life as a complex chemical reaction, and not believe in an afterlife and be happy enough.
Their second point is atheist cringe though which I hate. No one can prove/ disprove religion so I say let people do whatever they want there, for themselves.
That’s exactly what it means. If you’re not in control of your actions, you’re not in control of your action to say determinism is true or make any value judgment. If you’re not in control of your actions, you can’t make arguments since making an argument presupposes you, the self, decided to make an argument. Your arguments communicate no meaning
“I am compelled to act as if free will existed, because if I wish to live in a civilized society I must act responsibly . . . I know that philosophically a murderer is not responsible for his crime, but I prefer not to take tea with him.”
- Albert Einstein
If people aren't in control of their actions then nobody can be punished for crime because it's not their fault due to having no free will.
Yes but actually no. Sure we can't really hold people MORALLY responsible for raping and killing. They are a victim of their own brain chemistry just like everyone else. That being said, we can't have a functioning society with rapists and murderers running around. Therefore we must lock these people away for the safety of the rest of us.
I don’t think this is your argument, but to piggyback, assuming there is an omnipotent being/ god means you are without free will as well, since everything is already known or predetermined.
I also don’t see why your brain can’t be a chemical computer of sorts and people can’t have some degree of control over their actions through the awareness of one’s own consciousness/ others.
trovozn · 36 points · Posted at 15:13:25 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure he took that quote from (or was at least inspired by) Rick & Morty, which makes it even more pathetic.
I noticed the Batman:TAS logo in the first one's pfp and would like to take this moment to formally denounce him in the name of all Batman fans older than 14 thanks
Ask yes hes so free acting like every athiest on reddit
macobus · 11 points · Posted at 15:56:29 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
That isn't even true tho, at the surface yes it would appear that nothing in the universe is truly "random", but that just isn't true (at least, we think it's random, we could just not understand it
FV4034 · 5 points · Posted at 00:56:24 on August 31, 2021 · (Permalink)
Based single bracket enjoyer
macobus · 1 points · Posted at 00:56:58 on August 31, 2021 · (Permalink)
Funniest thing about it is a Catholic priest came up with the big bang theory
matuhx · 2 points · Posted at 19:37:33 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
At least he's consistent with his worldview but the absence of free will suggests the absence of moral responsibility and I think we have a great sense of moral responsibility for our actions.
Determinism is a legitimate philosophy like any other, only it's wrong to take it as an absolute truth like those guys are doing. Making fun of them just because they have generally pessimistic views on life is dumb though.
Thank you for disturbing me with this nonsense. I can understand your brain logically thinking, "if God is real then who created God" But to think this clearly ordered universe sprang from nothingness is so beyond retarded that it makes me weep for the future of humanity.
Lol the big bang theory does not claim that the universe came from nothing. It doesn't make any claims about what came before. In simple terms, the big bang theory states that 13 billion years ago matter started expanding outwards rapidly from a small point.
I find it infinitely more retarded to believe that everything was created by a god, who then for some reason chose one planet out of trillions in the universe to make people in his image.
I mean that part of the argument makes sense. You don’t know what would happen if those other trillions of stars didn’t exist. It could easily be a necessary aspect to life existing for life not to exist somewhere else.
If god existed, then surely he could make a universe that functioned only with our solar system in it. And there is no reason to believe that we are the only life that exists in the universe. Statistically, there must be life elsewhere - there are simply too many stars and planets for Earth to be the only one that has life.
There is a reason to believe that we are the only life. We haven’t found any other life. And also, why would it matter if we did find other life? How does that contradict anything
We haven't found any evidence of God's existence either.
As for why it would matter, well, it raises the question of why out of all the life-bearing planets in the universe, we're somehow God's favorite. Does God care at all about the other life? Do aliens go to heaven and hell? Were there alien Jesuses?
The Bible, Koran, whatever you want to cite are all written from outsiders perspectives. They’re not written by the God they talk about, not claim to be. There is no reason to assume that aliens would contradict the existence of some form of higher power
Statistically, there must be life elsewhere - there are simply too many stars and planets for Earth to be the only one that has life.
Statistically we can't say - too little data. Also statistically people's intuition about statistics is shit. That's why gambler's fallacy exists - which the sentiment of there being too many stars and planets to have only one with life (and intelligent at that) seems to closely resemble.
Honestly scientifically speaking there's no telling either way whether any form of God or gods exist or whether there is alien life especially the one of intelligent variety. We can only have unfounded hunches.
Humans speculate whether there is life uniquely on this planet or not, the bible doesn't really talk about it nor does the gospels. I find that retards often think other people are the retards, classic Dunning-Krugger.
what are aliens? the bible describes angels and demons, Islam describes the D'Jinn. There are countless other cultures that describe some form of other-dimensional entity. Jesus described the kingdom of heaven inside of us, not some magical land in the sky. so are you asking in good faith or you trying to be a retard.
I am asking in good faith. I am genuinely curious as to how intelligent extraterrestrial life would fit into human-centric religions. I guess it gets a lot easier to fit them in if you ignore the parts in most religions about creation (otherwise it raises questions like, did every intelligent species have their own garden of Eden?).
They're correct though. The matter inside our skulls is governed by the same deterministic laws which govern any other natural phenomenon
[deleted] · 5 points · Posted at 18:02:05 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
That’s true, but they went on to talk about whether or not humans have free will, which is very debatable in the realm of philosophy. They’re treating their opinions as absolute truths.
Yes. Human decisions, like all other events, are causal (though in reality they're impossible to predict). Just like it's theoretically possible to predict when and where hurricanes will form for the rest of time, but it's practically impossible because we'd need to know with perfect accuracy the current state of every particle of the earth, sun, moon, and anything else which may interact with the system
Yep. The present comes from the past and we cannot change the past. Doesn't mean we have to give up (but us giving up of striving is also predicted, at least that's what I believe)
Yeah, we don't have to think about this, and even though we're all theoretically deterministic, practically we have free will, since attempting to predict our actions changes them, and actually knowing the future would change it
feluto · 1 points · Posted at 18:14:39 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
Why is it always the same shallow and rudimentary look at religion?
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feluto · 1 points · Posted at 19:20:16 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
I’ve never understood why so many adult atheists think this is some kind of epiphany? I came to those when I was 12 and the only non-religious person in my life was myself, so it’s obviously nothing mind-blowing.
iSailor · 0 points · Posted at 19:27:03 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
I mean... partially, yes. But is saying "oh car is driven by spinning its wheels powered by combustion engine" answering the question who drives the car or where is it going? I don't see any contradiction; knowing there are chemical reactions that drive my body is just clever engineering at work rather than disappointment of any sort.
With our current understanding of the universe though, this is correct. Am I'm I missing something?
The only evidence so far that contradicts this has something to do with the ambiguity of quantum physics, but on a larger scale there has yet to be anything that goes against what they're saying.
The chemicals in my brain are telling me to punch you in the throat. The free will is allowing me to realize I’ll go to prison for assaulting a 15 year old.
Well, they're right about the chemical reactions part. But that doesn't mean we don't have free will. We influence those reactions as much as they influence us - every time you consciously think, or make a decision, you're altering the reactions.
Yall lose me w the first part. That guy isn’t wrong about life being a complex chemical reaction. What that means to you is another thing entirely.
Whether or not you believe in religion is up to you. People who state that religiosity is dumb in xyz ways are usually ignorant though. Believe what you want to believe - live and let live in that respect.
Even if we are basically organic robots that doesn’t necessarily mean you don’t have free will. In my opinion, the only prerequisite for free will is self reflection.
If you are capable of analyzing your own thoughts then I think you possess some form of free will. Basically, by analyzing your own thoughts you are creating a form of self determination.
For example, when you contemplate whether eating a salad or a pizza you basically become a algorithm that is taking itself in as input and using itself as output to self-modify the algorithm.
Since you self referential, self processing, and self updating then you are basically self deterministic. If you possess a form self determinism then I think by definition you possess free will.
Those chemical reactions is what makes me believe there is a God cause there is no way just outta sheer luck and chance these random reactions came together to make everything
This type of reductionism/materialism & determinism is incoherent.
When you try to reduce life down to purely being forces and matter moving & changing you don't get logic, meaning, truth, knowledge, the self, morality, purpose, etc,
for these transcend materials and forces
In other words the statements they made relies on things, or presupposes the things it's trying to deny.
If life is nothing but a series of chemical reactions, where is the chemical reaction in the meaning of your statement? Did your words have a purpose to them? Where are the chemical reactions?
If you don't have free will, then you're to believe that everything is a predetermined action outside of your control and that it's only an illusion that we do have a choice. Once again, if everything is a predetermined mix of material and forces moving around then your words don't have any meaning for this too must be illusory. Also the fact that you're making a statement which is a truth claim, this too must be illusory. Your words having purpose is an illusion, your assumption that you are a self and 1 being is an illusion rather than being billions of cells.
I could go on. Point being is that worldview is fundamentally contradictory to reality
I don't see anything wrong with being an athiest, and they're not really directly targeting someone who is religious plus the church has been known throughout history for doing some bad stuff. However, I don't think that they should have said the part about people being "groomed to believe in sky gods" as that is a bit rude towards people with a religion. Other than that they're just saying their beliefs.
Best response for them I’ve used: “you trust the chemicals in your brain to tell you that you are controlled by them, thats a fallacy. EVERYTHING is based on which we cannot prove. Stop excusing yourself with rick & morty quotes and get a girlfriend”
I fucking hate redditor atheists so goddamn much, they anger me with their nihilism and Ignorance.
w7lves · 1 points · Posted at 18:57:51 on September 1, 2021 · (Permalink)
Yeah bro, because chemical reactions from billions of years ago just happen to lead to the most complex natural systems that still baffle scientists, including sentient life.
these chemical reactions seem to be so perfect, barely any errors and you are able to fight entropy without thinking about it, not even you, your cells, and once you see how perfect everything in the universe is, it makes sense that there would be a god. of course there will be a god, science proves that there is a god, certain chemical reactions give you certain things, it's not a dice roll, it's a set of definitive outcomes, and yet they don't believe in a god. It kind of baffles me.
This is not wrong in general, just that there is nothing negative about that premise. It's freeing that you are the only ultimate authority over yourself.
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CARFACE · 679 points · Posted at 13:40:33 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
Redditors are the prototype freshmen psych 101 students who are home for winter break and want to bestow their ultra ignorant life lessons on you.
Shrekscoper · 26 points · Posted at 06:26:23 on August 31, 2021 · (Permalink)
Why do Reddit atheists always refer to (primarily the Christian) God as a “sky god”? Do they not understand the extremely basic idea that “the heavens” is not a literal concept of the Earth’s sky and Christians don’t actually believe God is some old guy that’s out there floating on a cloud? I swear their knowledge of Christianity comes from Family Guy.
Braydawg9 · 130 points · Posted at 18:25:53 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)*
“Religion is the oldest form of control” says the people letting the government control them with masks and vaccines
oganhc · 20 points · Posted at 23:53:29 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
You can be critical of both
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deathbysniffles · 47 points · Posted at 19:35:58 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
Mandating the vaccine is control. Mandating masks is control. Not allowing citizens to conduct commerce or move about their country without getting an experimental injection is control. Shutting down peoples businesses over a glorified flu is control.
The only retards are the ones who are okay with thinly disguised authoritarianism
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positiv2 · 33 points · Posted at 20:29:31 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)*
Yeah and essentially all companies that tried researching them pre-covid abandoned the idea because there were just too many side effects. In fact, the covid vaccines are the first approved mRNA vaccines ever.
https://www.statnews.com/2020/11/10/the-story-of-mrna-how-a-once-dismissed-idea-became-a-leading-technology-in-the-covid-vaccine-race/ Edit: typo fix
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deathbysniffles · 22 points · Posted at 20:48:04 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
Yes so let’s mandate people to take an experimental vaccine, the first of its kind, with no long term studies. If any other drug had the amount of VAERS reported side effects that these do, they would be halted immediately.
Absolute insanity. People should be able to decide what they put in their bodies.
MojaveCowboy21 · -25 points · Posted at 21:08:44 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
That's right! if my presuhdent sez inject the clorox, that there's what I'll do cuz IT'S MUH BODY, MY RULES! 'cept da women ofc
positiv2 · 30 points · Posted at 21:27:10 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
Go touch grass and get off social media if you think that this is a common belief.
WickCT · 11 points · Posted at 01:55:05 on August 31, 2021 · (Permalink)
The bleach strawman has been debunked over and over again. Pick a new one
positiv2 · 10 points · Posted at 21:21:45 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
Light bulb did not require experimentation on humans, however. And the lightbulb being faulty only meant going back to candles and oil lamps.
JingoFett · -5 points · Posted at 22:47:02 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
This conversation doesn't need to happen in the abstract. We've vaccinated hundreds of millions of people with the mRNA coronavirus vaccines. Severe side effects are extraordinarily rare. We had trials before that with tens of thousands of people. Severe side effects were also extraordinarily rare then.
certified_big_dog · 14 points · Posted at 21:07:32 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
You're both cringe. A fit young adult shouldn't be scared of the virus or the vaccine.
zombiep00 · 3 points · Posted at 19:54:30 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
Thank you for having, and making, sense.
zombiep00 · -1 points · Posted at 19:51:46 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
Oh man, the echo chambers are leaking.
Fried_Water_007 · -1 points · Posted at 01:52:47 on August 31, 2021 · (Permalink)
“Glorified flu”
It’s a mutation of SARS. You know the virus that causes COPD? The thing that’s not the flu?
I do agree with your stance on mandated vaccinations though. It’s still classified as an “emergency response” so it (should be) illegal to mandate.
MrDaburks · 6 points · Posted at 19:31:10 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)*
Bet you really believe that, too.
>shut down society over gene therapy disguised as a flu shot
>ban and stigmatize actual treatments
>”They just want to help us, guys!”
TeLizardWizard · 2 points · Posted at 00:59:55 on August 31, 2021 · (Permalink)
Gene therapy lmao sure bud
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dont_care- · 8 points · Posted at 20:30:39 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
r/iamverysmart
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TylerTheBox · 9 points · Posted at 21:02:01 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
My unproven PhD makes me right guyses 😎😎🤡🤡🤡
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1337LEO · 3 points · Posted at 23:05:51 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
Objective truth says you're a dumbass
Braydawg9 · 1 points · Posted at 22:32:22 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
https://youtube.com/shorts/PKwI2zZXiRE?feature=share
zombiep00 · 0 points · Posted at 19:50:10 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
But...that's not true at all..
Masks and vaccines are for people's protection, whether they are sick or not. Part of the point of wearing a mask in the first place is to prevent people that do have it from spreading it around.
Are masks foolproof?
No. Neither are the vaccines, but who the hell is it killing when a person puts a piece of cloth over their nose and mouth?
People act like wearing a mask is just the most pernicious thing you could ask of them and I don't understand it...
Sierpy · 14 points · Posted at 23:21:26 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
I don’t disagree that masks are effective or important, but that’s not exactly the point here. The point is simply that mask mandates, mandatory vaccination, vaccine pass and lockdowns are all forms of control. Reddit atheists accuse religious people of blindly following certain beliefs or people, but they do just that. Sure, there are those who have studied and came to defend their positions as a result of that, but most of them are just blindly following what social media feeds them.
Fried_Water_007 · 11 points · Posted at 01:48:24 on August 31, 2021 · (Permalink)
The mandatory vaccination is ridiculous. I got mine because I believe people with PhDs more than someone with 100 Instagram followers. But FORCING people to get vaccinated within state institutions with the threat of job loss is bullshit. I’m usually conservative, but really government? Blackmail?
Depth-New · -6 points · Posted at 01:59:34 on August 31, 2021 · (Permalink)
I support it. You are part of a society and if you want to remain part of said society you have a duty to protect each other.
I understand why people are concerned about it and I do wonder whether there could be a better alternative to loss of work but if you're not vaccinated you shouldnt be around other people.
VamboRulesOK · -2 points · Posted at 07:58:56 on August 31, 2021 · (Permalink)
Exactly, there are dozens of things a society mandates we do if we want to participate in it. Acts, that if we don't do, lead to punishment by the authority (fines) and ostracisation from our societies (prison).
Paying taxes for one. Want to drive? Then in the interests of society you are mandated to drive on the correct side of the road and stop at Stop signs, pay for insurance and road tax.
Sirpz · -7 points · Posted at 01:26:26 on August 31, 2021 · (Permalink)*
It literally doesn't hurt anybody to wear a mask or get a vaccine. It's incredibly childish to take a safety precaution on a personal attack. I hate masks, yea, but I wear them and get my vaccine so I can more quickly get back to normal life and get past this shit
Keep downvoting you retards, you're just as bad as the opposite end of the spectrum hivemind and if not more childish. I remember when this sub was about displaying the absolute degenerates of Reddit and subhuman groomers, not a circle jerk for vaccine conspiracy theories
Braydawg9 · 1 points · Posted at 08:35:37 on September 3, 2021 · (Permalink)
Fellas, I think he’s big mad
Depth-New · -2 points · Posted at 01:55:39 on August 31, 2021 · (Permalink)
I think the main issue with blindly following a religion is that religion has done more harm than good in the grand scheme of things.
Blindly following mask mandates is done more good than harm.
Sierpy · 3 points · Posted at 10:08:32 on August 31, 2021 · (Permalink)
That's just your opinion.
Depth-New · -1 points · Posted at 10:20:01 on August 31, 2021 · (Permalink)
No it's not its factual. Read "The God Delusion" and it becomes very hard to continue respecting religious institutions
MemyselFishness · 2 points · Posted at 20:39:09 on August 31, 2021 · (Permalink)
Institutions don't need to be religious for them to cause similar kinda of harm. The truth of the matter is that religion is a mixed bag for its "goodness" because it absolutely has helped people and has hurt people.
Depth-New · 0 points · Posted at 20:43:38 on August 31, 2021 · (Permalink)
No one is arguing that religion is the only institution that can cause damage. It wasn't me that brought up religion to counter their point, it was them :P
But the mixed bag thing isn't true. I used to stay out of the debate for that exact reason: I didn't know whether religion has done more harm than good.
Well, I read a book on it that breaks the argument down and the answer is pretty clear. Religion has done significant more to damage than to help.
MemyselFishness · 1 points · Posted at 20:59:04 on August 31, 2021 · (Permalink)
If you admit that religion has helped, then you admit it's a mixed bag. I didn't say what the ratio of the mix was. Although I personally believe it's done mostly better, I can understand the view that it's done mostly good. Just remember that science and individualism came about because of religion.
Depth-New · 1 points · Posted at 21:11:22 on August 31, 2021 · (Permalink)
No, the phrase mixed bag implies that the ratio is at least somewhat even. You wouldn't walk away from a burning house where you lose everything and say "it's a mixed bag" because you managed to grab your favourite plant on your way out. You're glad you grabbed your prized possession but the bag is pretty shit no matter what angle you look at it.
I referenced a fantastic book that covers this. I recommend reading it. I cant imagine anyone continuing to believe that religion has done more good after reading it. "The God Delusion".
Not much else to debate about unless you've already read it.
MemyselFishness · 1 points · Posted at 21:18:45 on August 31, 2021 · (Permalink)
I haven't read the book, but I just realized which book you were talking about. There really is nothing else to debate here. If you think "The God Delusion" is the end all be all of how religions have done more harm than good... I have nothing to say to you.
Depth-New · 1 points · Posted at 21:23:52 on August 31, 2021 · (Permalink)
That's a strange take to have if you haven't even read the literature 😂
I'd happily read a book that counters his points because I like to have my opinions based in fact and not faith. Your reaction displays the opposite.
Good luck bud
MemyselFishness · 1 points · Posted at 21:45:55 on August 31, 2021 · (Permalink)
Well, it's just that the book is about religion being a delusion and that faith in a God is incorrect. Ignoring his blunders in theology and metaphysics that I've heard people complain about, the topic of whether or not religion has helped more people than harmed isn't particularly addressed. Especially from a historical viewpoint.
Depth-New · 0 points · Posted at 21:47:01 on August 31, 2021 · (Permalink)
Perhaps you should read it 😊
dripgrool · 2 points · Posted at 22:40:44 on August 31, 2021 · (Permalink)*
Your argument is like saying you've read the communist manifesto, and quite clearly capitalism is a failed system from that singular source. I don't think you can use a book by the HEAVILY biased Richard Dawkins as a singular end all source.
Religion as an institution can be looked at as largely negative. This however is more an argument against government than it is the religion itself. People in power have abused religion as a scapegoat.
It's pretty tough to accurately assess the good it's done because historically the vast majority of people are religious, many of whom behave the way they do because of religion.
Here are some inarguable facts:
Religious people are far more likely to have stable homes and families. In general they are more likely to be married.
Regular practice of religion is linked with astronomically lower rates of depression and other mental illness
Regular practice of religion is linked with drug and alcohol rehabilitation, and lower rates of abuse and addiction
Religion gives people a moral baseline. One could argue it isn't necessary for religion to lay down that baseline, but it is true nonetheless.
Religion was the reason for the vast majority of art and architecture that put Europe ahead of most of the modern world. Theyre definitely still teaching sagrada familia and davinci.
MemyselFishness · 2 points · Posted at 23:15:50 on August 31, 2021 · (Permalink)
It's worse than that. His argument is that because you haven't read the communist manifesto you can't criticize communism or communists.
Depth-New · 1 points · Posted at 22:53:16 on August 31, 2021 · (Permalink)
As opposed to all the sources or evidence he's put forward? Ah, no there wasn't any. None of this conversation was productive and useful from either side. If he hasn't read the same literature then we can't properly discuss it.
I'll also point out I welcomed any counter arguments in a previous comment so... no I don't accept that criticism.
Is this dipping into the argument that people only act ethically because their God directs them to?
dripgrool · 2 points · Posted at 23:17:18 on August 31, 2021 · (Permalink)
I'm not directly defending the other redditor, just making a comment that you aren't being objective by using a single book as your only source of evidence to back up the claim that religion has done more harm than good. I haven't read it all, but did read a bit and watch a lot of Dawkins years ago. I think he's quite intelligent and well spoken so I don't mean to diminish the book either.
To your last point, no but I understand the confusion to my previous comment. I think that most religious people would act with a moral compass as atheists hypothetically speaking.
I mean that many people are motivated by religion to better themselves and their communities. As a very simple example, church groups work for free with soup kitchens in impoverished areas. This is incredibly difficult to analyze and would take leagues of people to even attempt to quantify.
MemyselFishness · 1 points · Posted at 22:42:02 on August 31, 2021 · (Permalink)
No.
TylerTheBox · 19 points · Posted at 21:00:36 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
The mandate is the problem
Braydawg9 · 6 points · Posted at 22:31:26 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
Shut the fuck up lol
MacoroniCheeze · -2 points · Posted at 22:52:13 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
You said nothing to disprove their point
rodrigoyouramigoo · 0 points · Posted at 05:18:33 on August 31, 2021 · (Permalink)
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Atlas-303 · 1 points · Posted at 03:41:05 on August 31, 2021 · (Permalink)
i’m in psych and ironically the class made me more religious if anything
GRat9717 · -1 points · Posted at 00:02:40 on August 31, 2021 · (Permalink)
If my boy does this when he grows up he's getting an ass whuppin.
IshyOQGX · 164 points · Posted at 16:16:59 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
Mickey said it best:
"Hypocrite that you are, for you trust the chemicals in your brain to tell you they are chemicals. All knowledge is ultimately based on that which cannot prove. Will you fight? Or will you perish like a dog?"
Perceval7 · 42 points · Posted at 18:42:32 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
I read this in a Mickey Mouse voice
spiteandmalice315 · 14 points · Posted at 17:23:24 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
When did mick say this?
Kothorixthemerciless · 24 points · Posted at 17:34:56 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
Here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0S3aH-BNf6I
IYFCOB · 380 points · Posted at 13:59:24 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
Cringe negativity. Positivity is based.
putrid_flesh · 185 points · Posted at 17:36:26 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
All my homies glasses are half full
El-Jewpacabra · 68 points · Posted at 18:07:19 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
I used to be such a miserable piece of shit, then I changed my outlook on life and I've been so happy and content for the past few years. It's hard to think positively sometimes, but man, consistently thinking that way has changed me more than I can put into words.
LemonPartyWorldTour · 25 points · Posted at 19:17:55 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
Exactly how I was. I reflect back on the old me. Always angry about something. Could get mad at the drop of a hat. Don’t remember when exactly I made the change, but I reflect on how I was back then and it’s an eye opener. I see the old me in a lot of Redditors. Especially so when I dare to peruse “All” and “Popular”.
It’s freeing being positive. As you said, it’s not always easy. Really damned hard even sometimes. But even that feels so much better than how I used to.
rightzoomer · 7 points · Posted at 19:36:13 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
I did the same and it is crazy how much stuff has changed
UncleRuckusForPres · 53 points · Posted at 18:23:27 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
The virgin nihilist versus the chad "a better world is possible? Splendid"
SomeTexasRedneck · 7 points · Posted at 22:51:57 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
Bro where the fuck have you been for the last 18 months
Clear-Vegetable6488 · 3 points · Posted at 01:31:42 on August 31, 2021 · (Permalink)
Better late than never
iSailor · 11 points · Posted at 19:28:12 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
Unless we are talking about toxic positivity, of which there's plenty around. I'm also positvely-thinking person, but I can't stand toxic positivity on e.g. Reddit, i.e. pretending to be euphoric over anything I see.
TheCockworkGod · 5 points · Posted at 18:55:48 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
determinism isnt necessarily negative. its only negative when its "boohoo, Im miserable because of outside factors, not my shitty self :("
Jammaries · 248 points · Posted at 14:42:29 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
r/iamverysmart
thoroughlythrown · 125 points · Posted at 14:46:50 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
ok I don't care. I can't help but not care cause I don't have free will. checkmate dork 😎😎😎
Kothorixthemerciless · 43 points · Posted at 17:31:45 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
you dropped this: 👑
Agaposavros · 5 points · Posted at 19:48:35 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
thats the only way out.
cumhugs · 189 points · Posted at 14:05:32 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
That's a really good perspective to have if you don't feel like taking responsibility for your own actions.
TheCockworkGod · 13 points · Posted at 18:54:06 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
determinism doesnt have to be moralised tho?
like sure, moralised determinism is gigacringe, "its not my fault officer, my poor socioeconomic background forced me to rape that woman"..
but determinism isnt a moral system. If you arent responsible for what you do, than you arent punished for the things you do, but rather for what you are.
Determinism without a moral component is a lot harsher than even self-responsebility, since its not your choices that make you pathetic, but you being pathetic in the first place.
also determinism is a great anticope.
"muh couldve"
no. Never. only one string of reality, and it wouldve always happened that way, do better in the future.
Determinism is pretty based. but most armchair determinists are actually just partial determinists, kinda like this: everything bad that happens to me is predetermined and not my responsebility, but everything good that happened is to be atttributed to my great choices, in that case denying responsebility for mistakes, and claiming it for fortunes.
leon_death · 4 points · Posted at 19:45:36 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
Determinism is inherently moral. You can’t make moral judgements under that view, as you have no free will. You cant say “I should’ve done this” as you are not in control of your “doing.” You can’t have determinism “without a moral component” as the action of believing in determinism requires that you should believe in it (assuming it is true), which you can’t, since there is no free will to make the claim that you should believe in it.
TheCockworkGod · 1 points · Posted at 21:45:49 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
? morality isnt a given property.
Determinism is a concept of causality.
You shouldnt believe in determinism, there is no moral imperative.
You dont have to believe in things because you believe them to be true.
leon_death · 1 points · Posted at 22:08:36 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)*
If something is true there is a logical imperative to believe it is true. If we we should not believe true things then logical debate is meaningless. If we shouldn’t believe true things then we shouldn’t believe that we shouldn’t believe in true things, and so on. When you enter into debate or discussion you acknowledge that truth should be believed.
TheCockworkGod · 0 points · Posted at 23:41:01 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
no, a logical imperative isnt a moral imperative
leon_death · 1 points · Posted at 00:30:00 on August 31, 2021 · (Permalink)
It is logical because it is what makes logic possible. Determinism takes away the ability to reason or make arguments.
TheCockworkGod · 0 points · Posted at 01:48:39 on August 31, 2021 · (Permalink)
no, because we arent omniscient
leon_death · 1 points · Posted at 18:32:36 on August 31, 2021 · (Permalink)
I don’t see how that is relevant
TheCockworkGod · 1 points · Posted at 19:14:40 on August 31, 2021 · (Permalink)
You can still be mistaken.
The logic youre determined to believe in could be faulty, so thered still be discourse
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 09:50:14 on September 1, 2021 · (Permalink)
Couldn’t you say under determinism there is no good or bad choice there is only a forced choice. If someone put a mind control device and told you to do something should you be held morally responsible for it.
SirCaju · 204 points · Posted at 15:18:11 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)*
Why blame myself for my problems when I could blame muh chemical reactions? Am I right fellow redditors?
Marshith · 31 points · Posted at 19:38:57 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
Muh Rick and morty
Runenoctis · 19 points · Posted at 19:50:08 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
Nearly everyone who likes that show is insufferable
-Resunoit- · 7 points · Posted at 20:59:19 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
Eh, my brother and dad like that show and they’re nice people.
Runenoctis · 14 points · Posted at 20:59:58 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
Key word is nearly
-Resunoit- · 11 points · Posted at 21:06:25 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
Ah shit, I’m retarded.
keeleon · 10 points · Posted at 19:49:11 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
The irony is these same people will absolutely blame "capitalism" for all of their woes.
MacoroniCheeze · 3 points · Posted at 22:57:54 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
I’m no expert, but I’m pretty sure chemical balances do have an affect on a person’s emotions and behaviour.
____DEEK____ · 3 points · Posted at 02:29:12 on August 31, 2021 · (Permalink)
I agree that is not a very helpful mindset to have but what you said is literally true.
Everyone is the victim of there own brain chemistry and thus we should have empathy for everyone regardless of how terrible of person they are.
majicegg · 1 points · Posted at 22:19:48 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
Love this sub but I disagree here.
I don’t believe that morality is at all objective, nor do I believe there must be a god in order for (human) morals to exist.
Jellymakingking · 18 points · Posted at 17:04:14 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
Cringe determinists
__CyanGhost · 93 points · Posted at 15:00:22 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
what's the deal with redditors and their negative view about life
Juxee · 67 points · Posted at 15:40:08 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
Theyre coming to terms they are a redditor
Perfect-Ant-6741 · 52 points · Posted at 17:20:31 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
Socially awkward, sad, depressed, and fat lonely freaks.
-Resunoit- · 11 points · Posted at 21:00:24 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
What too much social media does to a mf. This is why I tell myself I need to take a fuckin break because I’ll be much happier.
Their_Foods_Good_Doe · 19 points · Posted at 18:30:04 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
Poor relationship with parents and unrestricted access to social media is a one way trip to depression.
majicegg · 5 points · Posted at 22:32:03 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
I think you can view life as a complex chemical reaction, and not believe in an afterlife and be happy enough.
Their second point is atheist cringe though which I hate. No one can prove/ disprove religion so I say let people do whatever they want there, for themselves.
R3dd1t_Fr34k · 37 points · Posted at 17:26:20 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
Stop being an obnoxious anti theist challenge
Only 0.1% can win 😎😎😎
Links_Hacks · 57 points · Posted at 17:45:32 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
I bet both these dudes have porn addictions.
[deleted] · 30 points · Posted at 17:56:09 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)*
They’re totally the type to have porn addictions. It’s easy to cope with being a loser if they can justify that it’s totally out of their control.
Pregnator2000 · 18 points · Posted at 18:41:02 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
Noooo it is the chemical reactions in their brain which they absolutely have no control over
LemonPartyWorldTour · 7 points · Posted at 19:21:02 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
“To coom and consoom, there is nothing else in life.”
cHoKe456 · 9 points · Posted at 17:01:14 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
as if chemical reactions dont give us emotions
backup225 · 8 points · Posted at 16:08:49 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
I know I’m not a robot but I’m not sure if the same can be said for these kinda guys with how similar and predictable they all are
majicegg · 1 points · Posted at 22:34:35 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
“I’m not a robot, you are! You all think the same!”
This argument can be used against literally any group in pretty much any context.
backup225 · 2 points · Posted at 22:43:03 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
Cope seethe dilate
majicegg · 1 points · Posted at 22:45:02 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
Here’s some more copium for you, robot. 🌿
CoolCarlos69 · 1 points · Posted at 10:50:38 on August 31, 2021 · (Permalink)
Mann it's really sad cause your trying but your just not getting there
CocalarPrajitCuBMW · 10 points · Posted at 19:17:35 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
Bro we are just a bunch of random cells 'n stuff bro
DragXom · 8 points · Posted at 18:41:56 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
I bet the chemical reactions in his brain told him this
Majinkensetsuga · 5 points · Posted at 19:18:46 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
Hypocrite that you are, for you trust the chemicals in your brain to tell you they are chemicals.
All knowledge is ultimately based on that which we cannot prove.
Will you fight? Or will you perish like a dog?
Abni_the_toad · 17 points · Posted at 17:52:11 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
I don't think those two realize the implications of what they are saying...
If people aren't in control of their actions then nobody can be punished for crime because it's not their fault due to having no free will.
...
Unless that's what the averageredditor wants...
leon_death · 12 points · Posted at 19:48:22 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
That’s exactly what it means. If you’re not in control of your actions, you’re not in control of your action to say determinism is true or make any value judgment. If you’re not in control of your actions, you can’t make arguments since making an argument presupposes you, the self, decided to make an argument. Your arguments communicate no meaning
A_New_Dawn_Emerges · 4 points · Posted at 23:51:56 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
“I am compelled to act as if free will existed, because if I wish to live in a civilized society I must act responsibly . . . I know that philosophically a murderer is not responsible for his crime, but I prefer not to take tea with him.”
- Albert Einstein
Clear-Vegetable6488 · 1 points · Posted at 03:36:58 on August 31, 2021 · (Permalink)
What does this mean exactly?
A_New_Dawn_Emerges · 5 points · Posted at 03:54:14 on August 31, 2021 · (Permalink)
Free will may not exist but the justice system must "pretend" it does to be justified in punishing crimes, which is essential to society.
Clear-Vegetable6488 · 1 points · Posted at 04:05:40 on August 31, 2021 · (Permalink)
Thanks
____DEEK____ · 1 points · Posted at 02:34:05 on August 31, 2021 · (Permalink)
Yes but actually no. Sure we can't really hold people MORALLY responsible for raping and killing. They are a victim of their own brain chemistry just like everyone else. That being said, we can't have a functioning society with rapists and murderers running around. Therefore we must lock these people away for the safety of the rest of us.
majicegg · 0 points · Posted at 22:29:33 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
I don’t think this is your argument, but to piggyback, assuming there is an omnipotent being/ god means you are without free will as well, since everything is already known or predetermined.
I also don’t see why your brain can’t be a chemical computer of sorts and people can’t have some degree of control over their actions through the awareness of one’s own consciousness/ others.
trovozn · 36 points · Posted at 15:13:25 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure he took that quote from (or was at least inspired by) Rick & Morty, which makes it even more pathetic.
siradmiralbanana · 24 points · Posted at 17:35:04 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
I believe you mean to reference the incredibly high IQ tv show Richard and Mortimer
[deleted] · 0 points · Posted at 15:59:31 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
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trovozn · 9 points · Posted at 17:39:14 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
Indeed, Jerry.
[deleted] · -5 points · Posted at 18:09:49 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
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trovozn · 8 points · Posted at 19:23:44 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
Of course, it's mainstream, how else would a redditor like you know what the theory of determinism is?
Cope
UncleRuckusForPres · 5 points · Posted at 18:22:52 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
I noticed the Batman:TAS logo in the first one's pfp and would like to take this moment to formally denounce him in the name of all Batman fans older than 14 thanks
madchenamfenster · 4 points · Posted at 18:31:40 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
Oh, kids...
08111999 · 4 points · Posted at 18:39:52 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
Ask yes hes so free acting like every athiest on reddit
macobus · 11 points · Posted at 15:56:29 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
That isn't even true tho, at the surface yes it would appear that nothing in the universe is truly "random", but that just isn't true (at least, we think it's random, we could just not understand it
FV4034 · 5 points · Posted at 00:56:24 on August 31, 2021 · (Permalink)
Based single bracket enjoyer
macobus · 1 points · Posted at 00:56:58 on August 31, 2021 · (Permalink)
Dammit my one weakness
Send_me_ur_holes · 1 points · Posted at 11:32:25 on August 31, 2021 · (Permalink)
Besides on subatomic scales, what is random then?
macobus · 2 points · Posted at 13:13:52 on August 31, 2021 · (Permalink)
I pretty much mean exactly that. Because the randomness on an atomic scale still affects everything else ofc
Wasteland_Blue · 3 points · Posted at 17:59:26 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
I myself lean more towards determinism, because we of our very nature as organisms within a law governed universe.
hoffnungs_los · 3 points · Posted at 18:09:18 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
Determinism doesn't necessarily negate the free will afaik
Jack-Wayne · 6 points · Posted at 15:35:15 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
Does anyone have that edited comic of Donald Duck and Mickey Mouse discussing this very topic?
RoyTheShip · 4 points · Posted at 17:13:53 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
I found it
stockss_ · 8 points · Posted at 17:30:38 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
"why am I so unhappy I don't think I have control of my life, i don't feel i have purpose"
"but religious people are the real robots here lmao amirite"
putrid_flesh · 2 points · Posted at 17:36:50 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
🙄🙄🙄🥱🥱🥱
TheChadVirgin · 2 points · Posted at 19:16:03 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
These libtards things big bam just came along and went BOOM, and the worldlys was created. Fucken r words.
HeilStary · 1 points · Posted at 23:25:44 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
Funniest thing about it is a Catholic priest came up with the big bang theory
matuhx · 2 points · Posted at 19:37:33 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
At least he's consistent with his worldview but the absence of free will suggests the absence of moral responsibility and I think we have a great sense of moral responsibility for our actions.
Agaposavros · 2 points · Posted at 19:46:54 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
i believe the free will point, though i do also believe we all have spirits.
we have yet to see what neurology will say about the issue.
CaptainjustusIII · 2 points · Posted at 20:35:54 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
religon bad,
thank you for listening to my edgy origional reddit ted talk
Crash15 · 2 points · Posted at 22:11:53 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
Free will is a myth, religion is a joke, we are all pawns to something greater: Memes. The DNA of the soul
guy_from_iowa01 · 2 points · Posted at 00:14:15 on August 31, 2021 · (Permalink)
Literally everything they said was false lol
Hevogle · 2 points · Posted at 03:32:15 on August 31, 2021 · (Permalink)
NOOOOOOOO YOU CANT HOLD ME ACCOUNTABLE FOR MY ACTIONS ITS JUST BRAIN CHEMICALS NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
teeheeihavemod · 2 points · Posted at 04:25:42 on August 31, 2021 · (Permalink)
Sylvie actually killed Kang so now we have free will 🤬🤬🙄🙄
Ananasshole5 · 7 points · Posted at 17:46:52 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
Determinism is a legitimate philosophy like any other, only it's wrong to take it as an absolute truth like those guys are doing. Making fun of them just because they have generally pessimistic views on life is dumb though.
MiserablyHappy69 · 3 points · Posted at 18:11:44 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
You’ve gotta be severely depressed to believe this
YRFactsRacist · 5 points · Posted at 17:21:09 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
Thank you for disturbing me with this nonsense. I can understand your brain logically thinking, "if God is real then who created God" But to think this clearly ordered universe sprang from nothingness is so beyond retarded that it makes me weep for the future of humanity.
PlsDontBanImLib · 1 points · Posted at 18:50:53 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
Wdyn ordered? And near no one believes that it came from literally nothing
YRFactsRacist · 1 points · Posted at 22:30:46 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
what do you think the big bang is? or are you just clueless and butting in to a conversation you know nothing about?
____DEEK____ · 1 points · Posted at 03:09:03 on August 31, 2021 · (Permalink)
Lol the big bang theory does not claim that the universe came from nothing. It doesn't make any claims about what came before. In simple terms, the big bang theory states that 13 billion years ago matter started expanding outwards rapidly from a small point.
YRFactsRacist · 0 points · Posted at 03:10:47 on August 31, 2021 · (Permalink)
define small point big brain
____DEEK____ · 1 points · Posted at 03:31:52 on August 31, 2021 · (Permalink)
Lol I'm not a physicist and I dont know the technical language. I'm just using layman's terms to explain the basic idea.
Still waiting for you to explain how the big bang theory asserts that the universe came from "nothing".
Send_me_ur_holes · 1 points · Posted at 11:34:19 on August 31, 2021 · (Permalink)
You a creationist?
CanadianCartman · -1 points · Posted at 20:48:32 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
I find it infinitely more retarded to believe that everything was created by a god, who then for some reason chose one planet out of trillions in the universe to make people in his image.
BigBombadGeneral · 2 points · Posted at 21:08:54 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
I mean that part of the argument makes sense. You don’t know what would happen if those other trillions of stars didn’t exist. It could easily be a necessary aspect to life existing for life not to exist somewhere else.
CanadianCartman · -1 points · Posted at 21:32:01 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
If god existed, then surely he could make a universe that functioned only with our solar system in it. And there is no reason to believe that we are the only life that exists in the universe. Statistically, there must be life elsewhere - there are simply too many stars and planets for Earth to be the only one that has life.
BigBombadGeneral · 1 points · Posted at 21:45:13 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
There is a reason to believe that we are the only life. We haven’t found any other life. And also, why would it matter if we did find other life? How does that contradict anything
CanadianCartman · -3 points · Posted at 21:48:02 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
We haven't found any evidence of God's existence either.
As for why it would matter, well, it raises the question of why out of all the life-bearing planets in the universe, we're somehow God's favorite. Does God care at all about the other life? Do aliens go to heaven and hell? Were there alien Jesuses?
BigBombadGeneral · 2 points · Posted at 22:07:24 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
The Bible, Koran, whatever you want to cite are all written from outsiders perspectives. They’re not written by the God they talk about, not claim to be. There is no reason to assume that aliens would contradict the existence of some form of higher power
CanadianCartman · 0 points · Posted at 22:25:33 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
But, again, why would that higher power choose us as being special, and not any of the other intelligent lifeforms in the galaxy?
BigBombadGeneral · 1 points · Posted at 22:50:40 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
Who says we’re special? And if we were why is that so absurd?
HawasShawas · 1 points · Posted at 22:15:29 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
Statistically we can't say - too little data. Also statistically people's intuition about statistics is shit. That's why gambler's fallacy exists - which the sentiment of there being too many stars and planets to have only one with life (and intelligent at that) seems to closely resemble.
Honestly scientifically speaking there's no telling either way whether any form of God or gods exist or whether there is alien life especially the one of intelligent variety. We can only have unfounded hunches.
YRFactsRacist · 1 points · Posted at 22:33:12 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
Humans speculate whether there is life uniquely on this planet or not, the bible doesn't really talk about it nor does the gospels. I find that retards often think other people are the retards, classic Dunning-Krugger.
CanadianCartman · 1 points · Posted at 22:35:53 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
So are there aliens in heaven?
YRFactsRacist · 2 points · Posted at 22:40:28 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
what are aliens? the bible describes angels and demons, Islam describes the D'Jinn. There are countless other cultures that describe some form of other-dimensional entity. Jesus described the kingdom of heaven inside of us, not some magical land in the sky. so are you asking in good faith or you trying to be a retard.
CanadianCartman · 1 points · Posted at 23:01:11 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
I am asking in good faith. I am genuinely curious as to how intelligent extraterrestrial life would fit into human-centric religions. I guess it gets a lot easier to fit them in if you ignore the parts in most religions about creation (otherwise it raises questions like, did every intelligent species have their own garden of Eden?).
Clingingtothestars · 0 points · Posted at 03:54:42 on September 8, 2021 · (Permalink)
You’re seriously talking about the bible with that foul brain of yours? Jesus cries for you.
kixoc47441 · 2 points · Posted at 18:53:12 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
They have been groomed, that's for sure.
ChimkenNunget · 2 points · Posted at 19:10:11 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
Redditor nihilists doing absolutely fuck all with their lives because the sun is going to explode in 2 billion years lmao.
Seriously though, how much of a Rick and Morty pseudo-intellectual do you have to be to think and base your life around this idea?
elkamander · 2 points · Posted at 19:13:27 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
Nihilism is such a boring mindset
WeeklyImpact · 3 points · Posted at 14:40:30 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
They're correct though. The matter inside our skulls is governed by the same deterministic laws which govern any other natural phenomenon
[deleted] · 5 points · Posted at 18:02:05 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
That’s true, but they went on to talk about whether or not humans have free will, which is very debatable in the realm of philosophy. They’re treating their opinions as absolute truths.
GodOfRice7 · 11 points · Posted at 16:19:24 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
I am Gabriel
pechedovaspexe · 10 points · Posted at 17:09:46 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
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NeuromanticDreams · 2 points · Posted at 17:06:13 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
Is suicide a result of deterministic laws?
WeeklyImpact · 8 points · Posted at 17:30:36 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
Yes. Human decisions, like all other events, are causal (though in reality they're impossible to predict). Just like it's theoretically possible to predict when and where hurricanes will form for the rest of time, but it's practically impossible because we'd need to know with perfect accuracy the current state of every particle of the earth, sun, moon, and anything else which may interact with the system
hoffnungs_los · 2 points · Posted at 18:10:52 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
Yep. The present comes from the past and we cannot change the past. Doesn't mean we have to give up (but us giving up of striving is also predicted, at least that's what I believe)
WeeklyImpact · 4 points · Posted at 19:07:55 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
Yeah, we don't have to think about this, and even though we're all theoretically deterministic, practically we have free will, since attempting to predict our actions changes them, and actually knowing the future would change it
feluto · 1 points · Posted at 18:14:39 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
Why is it always the same shallow and rudimentary look at religion?
[deleted] · -1 points · Posted at 18:58:36 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)*
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feluto · 1 points · Posted at 19:20:16 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
You what mate
thecapito · 1 points · Posted at 18:38:45 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
The first one is true lol
TeteTranchee · 0 points · Posted at 19:56:24 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
Yeah religion is so much a way to control people that the first Christians were literally killed because they chose their faith over disavowal.
BigBombadGeneral · 0 points · Posted at 21:09:35 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
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LonelyIslandLover · 1 points · Posted at 18:31:50 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
Isn't god itself a result of those said chemical reactions then? Does that make god as real as emotions?
TylerTheBox · 1 points · Posted at 20:55:24 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
I’ve never understood why so many adult atheists think this is some kind of epiphany? I came to those when I was 12 and the only non-religious person in my life was myself, so it’s obviously nothing mind-blowing.
iSailor · 0 points · Posted at 19:27:03 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
I mean... partially, yes. But is saying "oh car is driven by spinning its wheels powered by combustion engine" answering the question who drives the car or where is it going? I don't see any contradiction; knowing there are chemical reactions that drive my body is just clever engineering at work rather than disappointment of any sort.
SoyChugger1350 · 0 points · Posted at 06:47:33 on August 31, 2021 · (Permalink)
BASED 15 year olds
Martyrmo · -1 points · Posted at 19:25:35 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
Well,isn't it?
scooterT12 · 1 points · Posted at 20:07:27 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
With our current understanding of the universe though, this is correct. Am I'm I missing something?
The only evidence so far that contradicts this has something to do with the ambiguity of quantum physics, but on a larger scale there has yet to be anything that goes against what they're saying.
GalagaMarine · 1 points · Posted at 20:10:52 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
The chemicals in my brain are telling me to punch you in the throat. The free will is allowing me to realize I’ll go to prison for assaulting a 15 year old.
CanadianCartman · 1 points · Posted at 20:46:35 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
Well, they're right about the chemical reactions part. But that doesn't mean we don't have free will. We influence those reactions as much as they influence us - every time you consciously think, or make a decision, you're altering the reactions.
-Resunoit- · 1 points · Posted at 20:57:16 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
Satans biggest trick was convincing people he didn’t exist.
srscatt · 1 points · Posted at 21:10:13 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
Religion bad upvote left
TryhqrdKiddo · 1 points · Posted at 21:13:20 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
le pure determinism
majicegg · 1 points · Posted at 22:17:14 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
Yall lose me w the first part. That guy isn’t wrong about life being a complex chemical reaction. What that means to you is another thing entirely.
Whether or not you believe in religion is up to you. People who state that religiosity is dumb in xyz ways are usually ignorant though. Believe what you want to believe - live and let live in that respect.
_McFuggin_ · 1 points · Posted at 22:56:51 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
Even if we are basically organic robots that doesn’t necessarily mean you don’t have free will. In my opinion, the only prerequisite for free will is self reflection.
If you are capable of analyzing your own thoughts then I think you possess some form of free will. Basically, by analyzing your own thoughts you are creating a form of self determination.
For example, when you contemplate whether eating a salad or a pizza you basically become a algorithm that is taking itself in as input and using itself as output to self-modify the algorithm.
Since you self referential, self processing, and self updating then you are basically self deterministic. If you possess a form self determinism then I think by definition you possess free will.
HeilStary · 1 points · Posted at 23:24:00 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
Those chemical reactions is what makes me believe there is a God cause there is no way just outta sheer luck and chance these random reactions came together to make everything
TheWitherPlayer · 1 points · Posted at 23:53:14 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
Life is meaningless and is caused by chemicals. But we’re here anyways. Let’s enjoy it. That’s my view.
jaycntct · 1 points · Posted at 01:06:15 on August 31, 2021 · (Permalink)
If that’s the most “disturbing” situation you know, you have lived an extremely comfortable, sheltered life.
CriticalFC · 1 points · Posted at 01:08:02 on August 31, 2021 · (Permalink)*
This type of reductionism/materialism & determinism is incoherent.
When you try to reduce life down to purely being forces and matter moving & changing you don't get logic, meaning, truth, knowledge, the self, morality, purpose, etc, for these transcend materials and forces
In other words the statements they made relies on things, or presupposes the things it's trying to deny.
If life is nothing but a series of chemical reactions, where is the chemical reaction in the meaning of your statement? Did your words have a purpose to them? Where are the chemical reactions?
If you don't have free will, then you're to believe that everything is a predetermined action outside of your control and that it's only an illusion that we do have a choice. Once again, if everything is a predetermined mix of material and forces moving around then your words don't have any meaning for this too must be illusory. Also the fact that you're making a statement which is a truth claim, this too must be illusory. Your words having purpose is an illusion, your assumption that you are a self and 1 being is an illusion rather than being billions of cells.
I could go on. Point being is that worldview is fundamentally contradictory to reality
Clear-Vegetable6488 · 1 points · Posted at 01:29:28 on August 31, 2021 · (Permalink)
How to never take responsibility for your own actions in life
bluebunny0 · 1 points · Posted at 01:33:02 on August 31, 2021 · (Permalink)
Go chemicly cry about it
YummyToiletWater · 1 points · Posted at 02:14:30 on August 31, 2021 · (Permalink)
/r/im14andthisisdeep
NaturallyExasperated · 1 points · Posted at 02:35:28 on August 31, 2021 · (Permalink)
MFs read one chapter of Dawkins and think they can disprove libertarian theory
Wanderlusxt · 1 points · Posted at 02:57:34 on August 31, 2021 · (Permalink)
I don't see anything wrong with being an athiest, and they're not really directly targeting someone who is religious plus the church has been known throughout history for doing some bad stuff. However, I don't think that they should have said the part about people being "groomed to believe in sky gods" as that is a bit rude towards people with a religion. Other than that they're just saying their beliefs.
D0ng3r1nn0 · 1 points · Posted at 05:29:34 on August 31, 2021 · (Permalink)
Best response for them I’ve used: “you trust the chemicals in your brain to tell you that you are controlled by them, thats a fallacy. EVERYTHING is based on which we cannot prove. Stop excusing yourself with rick & morty quotes and get a girlfriend”
jthjudhy · 1 points · Posted at 08:29:06 on August 31, 2021 · (Permalink)
The guy at the bottom there is interesting. He tries to be so scientific and nihilist and basically just ends up with Calvinism
throwawayzawayhombre · 1 points · Posted at 10:30:11 on August 31, 2021 · (Permalink)
Teach your children self worth
my-second-account69 · 1 points · Posted at 12:08:30 on August 31, 2021 · (Permalink)
I never thought of the day that I’d start feeling bad for religious folk. Today is the day.
cupnoodles1675 · 1 points · Posted at 21:26:29 on August 31, 2021 · (Permalink)
I fucking hate redditor atheists so goddamn much, they anger me with their nihilism and Ignorance.
w7lves · 1 points · Posted at 18:57:51 on September 1, 2021 · (Permalink)
Yeah bro, because chemical reactions from billions of years ago just happen to lead to the most complex natural systems that still baffle scientists, including sentient life.
zebradiaper · -2 points · Posted at 18:45:50 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
I agree 100% though
Captain_mathmatics · 0 points · Posted at 17:59:22 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
You can make explosives with fertilizer
TheLonesomeUniverse · 0 points · Posted at 18:25:41 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
Interesting discussions, but where does acknowledging all of that get you?
No where. Come on, I made some Lemonade, the Sun's about to set behind the Hills.
theDankusMemeus · 0 points · Posted at 19:39:39 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
‘Everyone is an idiot except me’
Cmoloughlin2 · 0 points · Posted at 19:39:50 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
My favorite part of this is how that whole religon is the oldest form of control idea is just factually wrong.
LateStageBureaucracy · 0 points · Posted at 19:59:16 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
Rick and Morty is cringe.
dabanourelar · 0 points · Posted at 20:39:46 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
these chemical reactions seem to be so perfect, barely any errors and you are able to fight entropy without thinking about it, not even you, your cells, and once you see how perfect everything in the universe is, it makes sense that there would be a god. of course there will be a god, science proves that there is a god, certain chemical reactions give you certain things, it's not a dice roll, it's a set of definitive outcomes, and yet they don't believe in a god. It kind of baffles me.
Machinarae · 0 points · Posted at 23:47:52 on August 30, 2021 · (Permalink)
This is not wrong in general, just that there is nothing negative about that premise. It's freeing that you are the only ultimate authority over yourself.