Try turning off the 10 different toggles that may or may not disable this and if that doesn't work, just keep in mind that because another company does it, that makes it OK. Hope that helps.
[deleted] ยท 119 points ยท Posted at 03:27:53 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
just keep in mind that because another company does it, that makes it OK
The modern excuse for shitty behavior. "Being an asshole is common practice in the industry...."
"Don't use the software you don't want to, but we will continue shoving it down your asses because it's our software."
We can hate it all they want. Doesn't really affect them.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 10:59:01 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well it affected them in so far as I refuse to use Windows 10 for anything except my work laptop where I don't have a choice. Else it's Windows 7 and Linux. The latter being an OS where you have complete control over what happens with your computer! Imagine that!
TbonerT ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 11:10:23 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The latter being an OS where you have complete control over what happens with your computer! Imagine that!
There are lots of reasons to choose Linux, โcomplete controlโ is not one of them. It is a complex modern OS that does things even experts donโt fully understand and is not without bugs.
fenchai ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:37:01 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Does Linux support games and apps from windows?
TbonerT ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:45:29 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't personally played with Linux since several years ago when I realized I spent more time tinkering with the OS than actually using it, but I hear Wine is working better than ever
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 11:14:54 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There are lots of reasons to choose Linux, โcomplete controlโ is not one of them.
Compared to Windows it is.
and is not without bugs.
Sure, but 100x less bugs than Windows is a pretty good carrot.
A recent Windows 10 update caused it to start flagging UI files created by a vendor's software that we use at work as a virus, so as a result, the package it gives us is incomplete and won't function when we load it.
Everyone else in the office is stuck with the update, which has a major impact on their ability to do their jobs. I, fortunately, have my updates on manual.
When you've developed such a reputation for buggy updates that the natural response is to not install them, you might be doing something wrong.
Note: This wasn't one of the big release updates. It was a regular monthly update.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:57:58 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm aware of that, but at this point that's just pedantry. It's like saying "Windows doesn't browse files, that's Windows Explorer." Windows Defender is a component of Windows.
I'll ignore the rest, which just seems to be baseless assumptions about my employer.
While extremely rude - he is not wrong. To an IT Professional or anyone who has been anywhere close to Systems Administration for Windows, the idea of any individual employee being able to determine if their computer is updating 'manually' or not is absolutely ludicrous. You should not even have the power to make those decisions, let alone be blanket allowing (all automatic updates) or blanket denying (a single user setting all updates to manual and denying them in perpetuity). No real business with real IT needs would allow that situation to occur.
You have an Enterprise-level request - "I want controlled updates that cannot potentially brick portions of my system's ability to do work", yet you are using Windows in an way and an environment that says "I am a home user, I am not connected to an enterprise, and I need as much help as possible keeping my computer secure and up-to-date".
Just lookup what WSUS is and it should become clear what the difference is between your complaint and the currently implementation of IT at your company. His assumptions might be baseless, but you employer/company/boss/etc is treating your IT and network infrastructure as if you were a 3 man "company" without IT, and that's how most of us view your comment.
If you have systems that critically require uptime and can't deal with technology-related work stoppages, you are doing the whole 'business' thing wrong at the moment (at least when it comes to your IT resources and implementations).
dissss0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:19:41 on November 8, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The problem is if MS is going to take on the role of system administrator for everyone then they need to do sufficient testing and that is absolutely not happening.
TbonerT ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:23:58 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Compared to Windows it is.
โComplete controlโ is not a comparative statement. โMore controlโ is the phrase you are looking for.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 11:25:39 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How about "a shit load more control". Will that work?
otac0n ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:10:38 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You seem to have never seen the Windows Registry.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:48:04 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You seem to have never seen Linux.
TbonerT ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 11:28:23 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sure. Hyperbole is always the right choice.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:34:50 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not hyperbole. Just reality. Got anything better to do than bust my balls about something you clearly don't have much of a clue about?
TbonerT ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:03:56 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Who pissed in your cereal? You pissed in your own cereal, didnโt you?
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 12:08:10 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Beggar off, troll!
TbonerT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:20:53 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not the one advocating for Linux with hyperbolic rhetoric on r/Windows10.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:21:46 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You clearly also have no concept of what a troll is. Good day.
I get it that some people prefer linux to windows, but I have no idea why some linux fans have to be so militant about it. It's as if their OS choice is a part of their identity.
I'm a gamer, so for me, linux would be a poor choice. Sure you can play some games in linux, but for non-native games, I refuse to mess around with emulators so that I can play a half-assed version of a game that runs just fine in windows.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:35:45 on November 8, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You are aware that I cannot see you right?
Feel free to resume your boring life any time.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:30:46 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
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TbonerT ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:37:36 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Of course they understand. All the code is open. You just read the fucking code. If you're a programmer in any of the related fields it's trivial to find out what's going on. All the code going into the Linux kernel and all other related projects is publicly reviewed on public mailing lists. 24/7. It's all out in the open what's going on.
Thatโs why buggy code that compromises security doesnโt get caught for years, right? Did everyone assume that someone else would fix it or is it that they simply didnโt fully understand the change they submitted years earlier? Open source is great and Iโm all for it but I am also aware that it doesnโt produce perfect code.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:51:09 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
a complex modern OS that does things even experts donโt fully understand
Its an operating system hard coded from 1's and 0's, not some mysterious organism.
TbonerT ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:58:15 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well to fair, Edge is quite good. It's totally not the shitty browser Internet Explorer was.
wolfcry0 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 13:55:28 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
Eh it's alright, it's still a bit unstable with daily browsing though and the bookmarks system is just awful unless you only have a handful of them. It also requires your whole system be signed it with a microsoft account to sync anything.
Thotaz ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:43:15 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lol, it can't even handle tabs properly, look at how much it struggles to move tabs around inside the same window, or back and forth between new and old windows: https://streamable.com/5olhv
yiweitech ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 09:19:44 on November 8, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
I thought this was a freak bug on your machine, so I opened 2 tabs, dragged them to switch places twice, and now I can't drag either of them. Christ.
Edit: So it completely broke when I right clicked to open the tab a new window, like the reddit tab straight up disappeared when I opened a new tab in that same window?https://i.gyazo.com/2cf08944b636431bd4d7a87528f0a7f3.mp4
Maybe I'm wearing rose colored glasses but at least I remember IE being usable?
It's like the people making MS products don't ever use them, even to test the most basic functions work as intended
Edit 3: Well this is a dumpster fire, my stable af PC just BSOD'd on me. Dunno the cause yet since it's still dumping but the first time I open edge in years and..... This is certainly an adventure
Edit 4: eventlog is nonsense, didn't even give an error besides a generic memory corruption BSOD. No dump file... It's literally not there. RAM tests fine.
Edit 5: Can't reproduce BSOD, most of the edge problems are reproducible on multiple machines/builds/versions. I give up, no edge no problems
Ahahaha I'll make a post in the morning about this bs MS lets out the door. Don't use edge people
huddie71 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 13:25:45 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
True, and the current version's a big improvement over old ones. Even the Android app's great.
folkrav ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:46:21 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As a user, yes. As a developer, fuck Edge.
I'll be fair, it's not quite as smelly of a turd as IE either. It's still a turd.
Urbautz ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:23:54 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, it's really bad that you need to keep to the official standards to have it look like you want.
I'm not coding / scripting myself anymore, but our guys are mostly complaining about Firefox/Gecko and IE10/Trident, while Edge and Webkit/Bink based browsers are fine.
Yup, am a web dev myself, Edge is fine nowadays. Firefox is too though, I wonder what problems your dev team is facing there.
For me it looks like this in terms of least effort per browser:
- Chrome (100%)
- Firefox (95%)
- Edge (70%)
- Safari Desktop (68%)
- Safari Mobile (15%)
- Internet Explorer 10/11 (0%)
...with Edge and Safari Desktop exchanging ranks with every update or so.
Internet Explorer is horrible as always, but at least it's been around for so long that nearly every problem is documented and solved already by someone on the internet. It always takes time, but it's usually just trying out some solutions you found online until one works.
The real devil is iOS Safari, it has a lot of small and annoying compatibility bugs and "specialties" in rendering & layout and those problems aren't nearly as well documented and complained about as the Internet Explorer stuff, so you can spend a lot of time hunting those problems down. Plus it's on mobile devices, so debugging is harder... :(
self_me ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:28:57 on November 9, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you have a mac, you can plug your phone in and debug things running in safari mobile on the safari web inspector
Yup โ and for Windows (or Mac, e.g. if you want to use VSCode or Chrome for debugging) you can use remotedebug-ios-webkit-adapater.
But even if you can remote debug and have port forwarding setup so your dev server and hot-reload work (which already takes time), the debugging is still slower and less reliable than what you get on the desktop, in my experience.
Even for a user Edge is terrible. It can't keep the bookmarks it loves to collect.
maeries ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:10:03 on December 3, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Might be true, but Mozilla is a nonprofit that fights for the free internet and the rights of its users while Microsoft spies on its users and tries to make the most profit from them that's possible. So what browser do you think I use?
m7samuel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:50:18 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Edge is trailing Firefox and Chrome by a few years in features and speed. It feels like everything you do in edge is just slower than it needs to be.
Really? If anything, Edge feels faster than the both of them. Probably because of the total lack of extensions, with the exception of uBlock
m7samuel ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:15:41 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In the course of my work I work with several dozen laptops, servers, VMs, etc in the course of a year. I have never seen edge approach anything like "fast" on launch or tab open, and even as I test right now doing an "inspect element" on msn.com on vanilla installs of Edge vs Firefox, Edge takes 3 times as long with noticeable UI lag in the process. Firefox takes under a second.
I'm glad that Edge works for some folks, and I'm glad that it is substantially better than the old IE7/8/9 atrocities, but it still is not even close for me.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:04:34 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As a web dev I disagree
Dantaro ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:54:54 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Really? As a web dev I 100% agree
trollxic ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:19:20 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
i want reasons and examples from both of you
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:28:26 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Encoding issues on non English characters and non utf8
Car_weeb ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:07:09 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Edge isn't bad, though it does still need some work. But even if it was the best browser ever, the user didn't type "internet" or "browser." The user typed "firef."
The user knows what they want, MS. Stop trying to make them switch in the middle of use. People don't like to be interrupted.
Edge peaked like 9 months ago. 1803 introduced some serious issues that have turned away everyone that MS finally won over after the abysmal launch, at least in my domain.
Now Edge can't even load Microsoft.com correctly. Microsoft should be embarrassed.
The world can have my password for www.blockbuster.com. I really don't care.
Browsers can store passwords for you as long as you don't use it for anything important or duplicate your passwords. It's really not a big deal at all.
It's not, the problem with having the expectation of using them for everything causes problems.
Also, implementing a way to export and import password could make a security hole. Don't you think?
vitorgrs ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:12:40 on November 8, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There's literally no security problem on edge related with that, because it uses Windows native password manager.
Which is widely used! Your Microsoft account password on Windows is stored in the same way!
wolfcry0 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:55:50 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Password manager is the way to go there, passwords stored in a browser are hilariously insecure.
vitorgrs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:13:38 on November 8, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There's literally no security problem on edge related with that, because it uses Windows native password manager.
Which is widely used! Your Microsoft account password on Windows is stored in the same way!
Peribanu ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 09:04:42 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Define "really good" -- what's missing from it currently? I use it daily: it's fast, it doesn't hog the battery on my laptop, and I haven't come across an unusable site in ages. The other browser I use, because it's Open Source, is Firefox, and I'm struggling to find what makes it much better than Edge at this point in time.
Say I have thousands of bookmarks, I can have an intricate folder structure which is hard to navigate and ultimately still makes it hard to find a site or article I once bookmarked that I can't remember the name of.
Instead I categorise a site by descriptive words.
For example, say I had a guide or article for Apache on Redhat Linux about say configuring virtual hosts.
I would tag it with something like the following "Redhat, Linux, Apache, Virtual Hosts, vhosts". Each comma denotes a tag. So if I wanted to find it again in the future I don't need to remember the site or article name. All I need to know is what I'm searching for which is Linux, Apache and virtual hosts.
I enter those words (tags) into the address bar and Firefox finds the site I saved.
Also, you can browse sites by their tags in the Firefox bookmark window.
riki137 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:40:26 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
isnt it just easier to google it everytime than to do this hassle with bookmarking every single useful page?
amunak ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 13:45:20 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not really, Google tends to give popular / tailored results. If this is something you found on the second page of Google (or even somewhere else completely) it's unlikely that you'll be able to find it again easily.
It's also way easier to track missing, removed or moved pages this way.
Urbautz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:19:07 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I seem to be the only one who ever made a bookmark i kept longer than a day. Since Windows Timeline i don't do that any more.
It just stutters, the buttons are wonky (it looks pressed, but nothing happens for 5 seconds which really looks uncomfortable for me), and I feel like it's just pseudo-smooth. At least in my experience
Firefox has better history and bookmarks function with standalone tabs that let you filter, sort and tag easily.
Also the middle click scroll is no smooth at all.
m7samuel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:51:36 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Try going to msn.com in firefox and edge, rightclick on some news story, and hit "inspect element". Firefox experience is nearly instant (under a second).
Edge wants to hang for a second opening dev tools, hang for another second waiting for HTML to populate, and finally jump to the document location after another second. Total time in my testing is consistently 3 seconds or so.
Even things like opening tabs just take longer in edge, to the point it is actually irritating. I don't think firefox tab opens have *ever* been slow, even in the 1.0 days, whereas I don't think edge tab opens have ever been fast. It feels like something inherited from IE7.
Urbautz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:21:33 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In no current browser (using Edge, IE11 and Vivaldi) I can feel any delay when I open a new tab. Even on Surface 3 (non-Pro).
bajirav ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:50:42 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
cnn.com is very slow and buggy on Edge. I guess the website itself is a POS with autoplaying videos but Chrome/Firefox handle it fine whereas Edge routinely chokes on it. There are other bugs such as missing characters on new tab, tabs taking longer to load for some unknown reason etc.
Edge's media block also doesn't work properly on cnn.com(I am on 1809).
You'd think they test on common news sites?
I like Edge but as of now on my PC Firefox is most reliable ahead of both Chrome and Edge.
The deal breaker for me is pretty small. I like the Google Dictionary extension on Chrome that lets you double click a word for instant definitions. Other than that, there's not much else.
Sound logic there chum. Do you know what else you can't remove from your operating system? The whole libraries... Bet you don't want to use those either since they can't be removed from your OS. Right?
Nice Strawman, thanks.
I'm pretty confident Windows 10 remove what it wants to remove today, with no concern about users commands. Edge should be a removable browser, still. It explain why most people don't give it a try.
But logic and Microsoft are two very different things, they don't match together.
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 07:18:59 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You probably remove your current browser from your system on a daily basis.
That's what makes my head scratch as well. Also, follow up question: would it be possible for MS to slip Edge through any restrictions by saying it's an OS component, similar to how IE was a component in previous Windows versions?
_AACO ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 09:34:30 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Some years ago MS had to show users that other browsers could be used instead of IE. since IE and Edge market share is so low (market share of both combined is less than 15% i think) i dont think the EU will do anything.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 08:06:10 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
Because edge isn't just a browser, it's a foundation for a platform. EdgeHTML is the reason why Netflix UWP app can stream 4k, and why only Edge browser and Netflix can stream to 4k on windows. Edge is integral to the OS.
And it isn't a monopoly, there's no misuse of monopoly. MS is trying to push new windows app development APIset and technologies for modern windows devices like Surface, browsers like chrome only hold back those devices, and the future of windows development, so it's in MS every interest to get people to check out Edge.
mkdr ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 07:11:43 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
I have noticed this disgusting behavior too. The search index of the start menu is garbage. If you type something like "Tes" it doesn't necessarily show you results starting with "Tes" but whatever it decides is "better fitting". This can be even advertising by MS. I hated this behavior since the god old start menu, where it was still working and how a human would expect it. It got a little bit better with 1809, however, I would still prefer a "stupid" mode without any prediction. I want just to show first listings alphabetical, not by some "intelligent prediction what I maybe mean" and Windows gets 99% wrong.
19468 ยท -16 points ยท Posted at 10:27:21 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
how sad is it, to come here every day and whine about an operating system.
btw, you can turn this "disgusting behavior" off
TbonerT ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 11:12:43 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
how sad is it, to come here every day and whine about an operating system.
Less sad than complaining about complaints.
mkdr ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 11:38:35 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No YOU CANT. You obviously didnt understand, what I said. I was not complaining directly about the advertising, I was saying, that the search index service of Windows 10 is garbage.
zenyl ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 10:08:27 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Microsoft:Sets default browser to Edge after a system update reset all my default applications
Me:Switches back to Firefox as default
Microsoft: It looks like you're trying to access the Internet. How about Microsoft Edge, the best browser ever (source missing)?
Microsoft:Sets Photos as default photo viewer after a system update reset all my default applications
Me:Sets Windows Photo Viewer as default photo viewer
Microsoft:It looks like you're trying to use a photo viewer app that doesn't hog half your RAM doing Satya knows what. Are you sure you want to do that?
Microsoft:Sets Movies & TV as default video player after a system update reset all my default applications
Me:Sets VLC as default video player
Microsoft:It looks like you want a video player that can handle nearly any file format, including .ISO DVD rips. Can we interest you in a lame program that can play maybe half of your video files?
i like when i open photo and take 10s to open in my i7 7gen 16ram
zenyl ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 11:10:53 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Meanwhile, the old Windows Photo Viewer only has a slight delay when opening the first image. From then on, it loads additional images very quickly, and with very little additional RAM usage compared to the filesize of the image.
It's too bad Microsoft doesn't consider good app design to be an important factor, when developing default apps for the most widely used desktop OS on the planet.
Lol, the ram issue aside, many reasons for that, valid or not. But the most important difference, you never really noticed.
Unlike the windows photo viewer which is win32 APIset, the photos app which is the UWP APIset, follows modern app behavior.
Do you understand?? That behavior is worth throwing out the entire win32 app environment over and starting over. Without that behavior windows dies, if that is what you prefer, enjoy ChromeOS as your future of computing. It will be either or.
Have u figured it out yet??
zenyl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:41:30 on November 8, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Watch a 1080p video and read an article, or view a single image. Same RAM usage when Photos goes haywire.
UWP is underdeveloped due to a lack of engagement from developers. This is mostly due to:
Win32 being more capable
Non-desktop UWP-compatible devices are either far and few between (WinPhone, HoloLense, etc.), or rarely used for generic UWP apps (xbox).
A lot of what used to run locally now runs online/in-browser
As for throwing out Win32, youโre either a moron, have a bad delivery when telling jokes, or both.
If MS were to drop Win32 support tomorrow, Iโd switch to Arch. Also, 90% of businesses would grind to a halt.
I'm on board with shitting on MS apps, but the photos app in my experience is solid. It takes maybe 2 seconds max to open a large photo from file explorer then scrolls through the rest of them with no delay. It also doesn't hog RAM for me
I work in IT, so it annoys me to have a browser (which is not even set as the systemโs default browser) decide to override the software I have specifically installed to view PDFs. (Letโs also ignore, for the minute, that Iโm installing Acrobat Pro & that Edge has a problem viewing some PDFs.)
Iโm not arguing against browsers being able to open PDFs; Iโm arguing against an OS manufacturer deciding it gets to override its users choice of software.
zenyl ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:46:05 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That I completely agree with. Browsers should, imo, act as a stand-in for a dedicated PDF reader if none is found. If, however, the user has installed a dedicated PDF reader, browsers should be prioritized below the dedicated reader, since browsers are far less capable when it comes to PDF manipulation (due to their nowadays very broad but generic nature as do-it-all tools).
For reference, I work as a software developer, and the first thing i do whenever set up a new PC I'm going to use (work related or otherwise) is to scrape away a lot of the default crap that MS enables by default;
Remove all start menu tiles
Uninstall any of the (bullshit) games Windows 10 enjoys downloading on first startup, if you're unlucky and slow to remove the start menu tiles. Because who doesn't want to play Candy Crush...? /s
Minimize telemetry
Remove taskbar icons I don't use (I prefer shortcuts)
Show all tray icons
Remove default icons from the desktop
Show hidden directories
Show confirmation prompt when moving a file to the recycle bin
Set Explorer to default to "This PC"
Install programs I actually want (Edge and Photos can go burn in a pit for all I care), and set them as default
And so on...
m7samuel ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:57:19 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It removes the need for dedicated PDF reader applications,
It doesn't though, there's a ton of crap that breaks in browser PDF.
It's great for consuming some scanned document, it's not great for the other 95% of stuff PDF is used for.
zenyl ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:01:48 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Funny, Iโve never had any issues viewing PDF files in Firefox. The point of PDF files is after all to be portable, so not rendering it accurately would be a pretty huge issue.
m7samuel ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:24:02 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you encounter digital signatures or forms you'll see issues.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:23:59 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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zenyl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:24:58 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No I don't and won't again after edge mysteriously deleted all my favorites and reading lists (from work projects in the years of making) last week. Tried all troubleshoots to no avail and no one has either replied to my emails and tweets.
I never liked or gave Chrome a chance but in the process of joining the Chrome team now, scared to use edge now and doubt I'd ever in my life use it again.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:31:41 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely not Brave. They makes you think they're reasonable, while they just intend to be the king of web. The payment system works like the website are Steam games, and Brave is the Steam platform. While it makes sense for games to be sold in a store, it makes no sense for websites to be so.
By that way "Replace ads with Brave ads" option is truly a shame.
If Microsoft finally fixed the broken font rendering that doesn't take custom ClearType settings into the account, I'd use it. Until then Firefox only.
Both are wrong here, but this is worth calling out. I can't open YouTube, GMail, or Google without being reminded how secure Chrome is. Every...single...day....and on GMail I get two notices that stack on each other.
I mean, fine you CAN argue that, but a ton of people want some privacy. I think as a consumer it's fair to expect I have a right to use private browsing modes and not be nagged. The solution is simple, they don't need to use cookies they can tie it to my account.
The point is, it's not a good move as a consumer to just accept that's the way it is. We're supposed to be looking out for each other as consumers, not defending corporations when they don't deserve it.
Youโre using private mode because you donโt want to be tracked but you log into your Google Account in private mode?
Regardless, the point is, when you first visit Google in private mode, youโre logged out. They have zero ways of keeping track of your preferences until you log in. This is not me defending a corporation, itโs me saying they canโt magic a solution if you insist on using private mode.
Try using normal browsing mode and youโll see that Google doesnโt nag you as often as you think it does.
Youโre using private mode because you donโt want to be tracked but you log into your Google Account in private mode?
I use private mode as a default for a browser I predominantly use just for GMail. I have logged in without private mode, but my preference of using private mode shouldn't matter.
It's once you log into the services though that Google nags me. Once I'm logged in, it should STOP ASKING ME TO USE CHROME ALL THE TIME.
Iโve only had to dismiss it once and it never bothered me on the same browser again. They might be using just cookies, in which case I agree that they could tie it to your account so at least it stops nagging after login. Before login, there is nothing they can do as every private mode instance looks like a new browser to them.
Lol no it doesn't. Been using edge for 3 years now, Google still slaps me in the face with chrome pop-ups every time I go check my email or go do a search.
Well, you paid your Windows, and Edge is preinstalled. Chrome is not, it's free, and you use their service. This is not the same thing. Not that one is more acceptable than the other, but one is begging AND removing choice of the user, while the other just asks for you to install.
It happens Edge takes back the "default browser". This is okay for me, just go there and check it back to firefox. But my parents don't even know what a browser is, and they just call because they "I lost all my favorites and the windows is weird, we don't have a virus right ?".
No one is begging, it's a recommendation.... The future of windows depends on UWP, and Edge is a good example to introduce to users, MS has every right to let users know about it's advantages. Where did the choice get removed??
You also must not be aware of how chrome spread in the same behavior as malware, being bundled with third party software installs, then setting itself as default, for the clueless users.
The UWP part is another talk. No one ever chose Edge over whatever because UWP but techie people. And trust me that you use Edge because you like it more than anything else (and I can understand).
Also you still just oppose one to the other, while I say no to both. Chrome behaviour AND Edge behaviour are intrusive, both of them. But this is a post about Edge. So yes, Edge behaviour is bad. You paid for it, you have it preinstalled, pinned to your taskbar by default, and you most likely launch it once. This is VERY MUCH to end user. If they go grab another browser, they likely want their browser back, or dislike Edge. Stop pushing it like this.
I had to remove Edge for my dear old 77 year okd secretary. Trying to export the bookmarks, I had to search and find that the โexportโ command was buried in the โimportโ menu. Very screwed up.
You know only pro version can do business, but pro is like a shit, you must buy Enterprise version. This is a professional software company called Microsoft, see what they have done. They just want money and not anything else. This is a robbing.
yasinvai ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:34:23 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So basically, you're in the limbo. Currently, the live stable build is 1803. I'm not sure how Microsoft is handling the users who got the 1809 update before they pulled back to Insider land.
I would replace that start menu with a third party one. You don't need to suffer anymore. If they made Edge fully featured at Window 10 RTM, then people would have been using it more. However, it was half baked at launch. No one is interested in using it. Same with all the built in apps Microsoft has made. Half baked, featureless. They are sub-par compared to their older versions.
Your latter statement is just false, but what did you expect from a new browser on a new APIset, on a new OS?? Especially one that is also integrated into the os and is the foundation of other apps, for example, Netflix app streams 4k only because of EdgeHTML.
It was always a work in progress, judge Edge based on 1809, not 1507. Edge is a pretty good browser on desktops, superior on touchscreen and battery devices, and only getting better.
Edge team mission statement is to keep the browser 100% to the W3C standards, that's what matters, and that should be the merit its judged upon.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:08:44 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
What version are you on? Hit the Start button and type โwinverโ (short for Windows Version) and hit enter. Should give you a pop up window showing your build number. Also, hit up the Settings App and turn of features related to tips, tricks, and suggestions as you so please, then see if it continues. I think this happens when Windows is set to give you suggestions and such. I used to have this problem, but ever since it went away for me, I noticed that on fresh VM installs where I don't really touch much in the Settings App, this happens to me quite often.
Put it in dark mode. Then setup a slideshow of wallpaper collection at 10 minute intervals. Looks great with the Fluent Design on edge interacting with the Wallpapers.
rmpbklyn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:25 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Running 1809 and not getting this. I have had weird results from previous searches though, but I haven't noticed any specific microsoft app push in them.
The thing I hate most about this shameless self-promotion is that it almost entierly relies on the uninformed or naive, and these companies damn well know that.
I also don't want candy crush, the new photos app that takes ages to load, the new settings that doesn't have most of the features the old one has, paint 3D, and the miracast or 3D viewer, these last 2 i can't uninstall because apparently they're "essential" to the OS
Admin rights -> (It's dangerous to go alone, take this) Powershell -> Delete all the bullshit you don't want.
morthawt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:33:49 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Add this to the list. Microsoft has been nothing but a disappointment since Windows 10 came out. Bugs, issues, accidents, decisions to try and trick people into upgrading from 7 to win 10 by changing what the X button means. Shady. If I weren't locked into the Microsoft Ecosystem, I would move to Kubuntu linux. FACT.
Every other god damn week skype re-installs, and it's not even coming in through updates. It's MS exploiting their backdoor to push software like a motherfucking virus.
Microsoft Edge doesn't show up when I type firef or firefo or firefox into the Windows 10 search bar.
bitekr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:32:25 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Edge is actually surprisingly good. This is no different then using edge going to google.com and getting recommendation to use chrome for best experience
You should try out Firefox Quantum, it's quite good. I use Edge as primary, and Firefox as secondary browsers.
Also, put edge in Dark Mode, and create a slideshow of a collection of wallpapers, refreshing at 10 minute intervals.
The Fluent Design on Edge looks amazing that way.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:11:15 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Good for you, thatโs not what this conversation is about. Stop fanboying by trying to undermine OPโs personal preference. You saying this serves nothing other than to try and subconsciously blame OP for not bending over backwards to make themself prefer Edge
Have a coffee and calm down. I am no fanboy, or blaming anyone for anything or undermining anyone personal preference. I would never want anyone to bend over backwards for a web browser. I apologize for offending you. I donโt work for Microsoft or have a vested interest in their success or failure. Lol
munky82 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:17:52 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Check out Vivaldi. But give it a week or two, not an hour or day.
I want to like it... Still can't make it my default. 90% of the time I use Edge, 9% Chrome, and Vivaldi the rest. Chrome is only there really to give my work and personal browsing two independent clients.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:22:49 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I like how the EU gives Google a bunch of bullshit over Chrome and yet Microsoft is here basically telling people what browser to use in Windows 10. Something they were TOLD TO STOP DOING!
I don't have edge in Ubuntu 18.04, try upgrading your OS!?
To be honest I have to use a Windows install when checking compatibility with Edge and IE anyway.
dustin_w ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:07:32 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
i deleted microsoft explorer like a boss.
zenyl ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 09:56:29 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Who needs explorer, when you've got PowerShell.
dustin_w ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:39:17 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
i meant internet explorer but that too lmao
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 07:20:54 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Then click Firefox? Windows search is shitty at first, but it gets better once it knows what apps you tend to click when you search.
I think the web search feature makes up for the search being useless at first, but that's just me.
But when I hit enter because its more convient than climbing it goes straight to edge which is frustrsting. And of it type any less letters it opens up windows firewall
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:02:45 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I still dont understand how people get stuff like this.
[deleted] ยท -31 points ยท Posted at 21:33:51 on November 6, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
Turning off app recommendations takes less time than posting to Reddit.
Companies promote their own products all the time. Been to Google's home page lately using something lithe than Chrome?
It's not the end of the world if you can disable it, which you can in Windows.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 05:12:01 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Is this the year of the linux or not yet?
Kaisogen ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:12:08 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Its perfectly usable, so if you want it to be.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:20:04 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Except if you have laptop (where you wanna use the touchpad and you want good battery life) or if you want to play or you need excel or word. Usable for my grandmother. Probably.
Kaisogen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:16:39 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I used Linux on my laptop for three years. It was faster, and I had better battery life.
If your grandma can use a computer, she'll be fine with Mint. Its extremely easy to use, and doesn't require any command line work to use from scratch.
Battery life has been pretty horrible for me on Linux, sadly. Probably due to crappy drivers.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:29:07 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My battery life with Windows 10 is 6 hours with Mint LTS it was 2 hours and i still didn't talked about the touchpad.. under linux its u s e l e s s. So i dont give a fuck about your linux. Bye.
Hopefully after UWP is fully deprecated and Edge is pulled they fire all Edge developers and publicly identify them so no other software company makes the mistake of accidentally hiring them.
Yes, because it's totally not about dumbing down functionality in order to suit technologically retarded people in the form of scalable "apps" which are totally not slower than their win32 counterparts and also not 10 times in size.
L3T ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:03:31 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well THEN how are you going to download firefox HUH?
You can pin it to the taskbar. You apparently HAVE pinned it to the taskbar. You could also pin it to your start menu, you could put a shortcut on the desktop, you could even define a shortcut key combo to open the shortcut. You could use any number of programs designed to make things easy to run. I imagine you could also verbally ask Cortana to open it. There are so many options that avoid this problem.
But you still insist on searching for it.
What does it take for you to just change your habits? I mean it's true that windows should find it as the first and only result, but the bigger unaddressed problem is that this is just such an inefficient and illogical way of using the computer, and rather than fixing this problem that is entirely within your power to do so, you instead continue on with the "hey MS make it so I can misuse my computer easier!" like a moth endlessly bashing its head on a lampshade.
kjoke ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:05:35 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
First, I disagree, one mouse click is faster than six key presses for me, because I have to move my hand to the keyboard first, since my right hand on the mouse most of the time given that the entire GUI is mouse-based. Second, pressing a shortcut key combo is objectively faster than six key presses.
kjoke ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:02:49 on November 8, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
First, whether a mouse click is fast highly depends on where your pointer currently is, where what you want to click is and how big of a target it is. Second, that's just you. Most productive work on a computer requires both hands on the keyboard. Any professional software comes also with a ton of predefined hotkeys which leads to a different problem: Having additional hotkeys may lead to conflicts and confusion. Hotkeys also aren't necessarily faster because they're somewhat difficult to reach (to avoid accidental presses). Hotkeys aren't portable: If you have to use different computers frequently, you won't have your hotkeys, just the search.
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SigmaTheDJ ยท 289 points ยท Posted at 00:11:29 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Try turning off the 10 different toggles that may or may not disable this and if that doesn't work, just keep in mind that because another company does it, that makes it OK. Hope that helps.
[deleted] ยท 119 points ยท Posted at 03:27:53 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The modern excuse for shitty behavior. "Being an asshole is common practice in the industry...."
abobobilly ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 10:49:58 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Their logic is simple.
"Don't use the software you don't want to, but we will continue shoving it down your asses because it's our software."
We can hate it all they want. Doesn't really affect them.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 10:59:01 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well it affected them in so far as I refuse to use Windows 10 for anything except my work laptop where I don't have a choice. Else it's Windows 7 and Linux. The latter being an OS where you have complete control over what happens with your computer! Imagine that!
TbonerT ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 11:10:23 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There are lots of reasons to choose Linux, โcomplete controlโ is not one of them. It is a complex modern OS that does things even experts donโt fully understand and is not without bugs.
fenchai ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:37:01 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Does Linux support games and apps from windows?
TbonerT ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:45:29 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't personally played with Linux since several years ago when I realized I spent more time tinkering with the OS than actually using it, but I hear Wine is working better than ever
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 11:14:54 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Compared to Windows it is.
Sure, but 100x less bugs than Windows is a pretty good carrot.
Justin__D ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:06:58 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure why you're being downvoted here.
A recent Windows 10 update caused it to start flagging UI files created by a vendor's software that we use at work as a virus, so as a result, the package it gives us is incomplete and won't function when we load it.
Everyone else in the office is stuck with the update, which has a major impact on their ability to do their jobs. I, fortunately, have my updates on manual.
When you've developed such a reputation for buggy updates that the natural response is to not install them, you might be doing something wrong.
Note: This wasn't one of the big release updates. It was a regular monthly update.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:57:58 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Justin__D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:00:39 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm aware of that, but at this point that's just pedantry. It's like saying "Windows doesn't browse files, that's Windows Explorer." Windows Defender is a component of Windows.
I'll ignore the rest, which just seems to be baseless assumptions about my employer.
kingbluefin ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:19:59 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
While extremely rude - he is not wrong. To an IT Professional or anyone who has been anywhere close to Systems Administration for Windows, the idea of any individual employee being able to determine if their computer is updating 'manually' or not is absolutely ludicrous. You should not even have the power to make those decisions, let alone be blanket allowing (all automatic updates) or blanket denying (a single user setting all updates to manual and denying them in perpetuity). No real business with real IT needs would allow that situation to occur.
You have an Enterprise-level request - "I want controlled updates that cannot potentially brick portions of my system's ability to do work", yet you are using Windows in an way and an environment that says "I am a home user, I am not connected to an enterprise, and I need as much help as possible keeping my computer secure and up-to-date".
Just lookup what WSUS is and it should become clear what the difference is between your complaint and the currently implementation of IT at your company. His assumptions might be baseless, but you employer/company/boss/etc is treating your IT and network infrastructure as if you were a 3 man "company" without IT, and that's how most of us view your comment.
If you have systems that critically require uptime and can't deal with technology-related work stoppages, you are doing the whole 'business' thing wrong at the moment (at least when it comes to your IT resources and implementations).
dissss0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:19:41 on November 8, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The problem is if MS is going to take on the role of system administrator for everyone then they need to do sufficient testing and that is absolutely not happening.
TbonerT ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:23:58 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
โComplete controlโ is not a comparative statement. โMore controlโ is the phrase you are looking for.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 11:25:39 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How about "a shit load more control". Will that work?
otac0n ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:10:38 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You seem to have never seen the Windows Registry.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:48:04 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You seem to have never seen Linux.
TbonerT ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 11:28:23 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sure. Hyperbole is always the right choice.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:34:50 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not hyperbole. Just reality. Got anything better to do than bust my balls about something you clearly don't have much of a clue about?
TbonerT ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:03:56 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Who pissed in your cereal? You pissed in your own cereal, didnโt you?
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 12:08:10 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Beggar off, troll!
TbonerT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:20:53 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not the one advocating for Linux with hyperbolic rhetoric on r/Windows10.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:21:46 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You clearly also have no concept of what a troll is. Good day.
Boop_the_snoot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:21:26 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ohh, passive aggressive linux fanboys.
What a surprise.
Bone-Juice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:54:50 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I get it that some people prefer linux to windows, but I have no idea why some linux fans have to be so militant about it. It's as if their OS choice is a part of their identity.
trustmethisismyname ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:34:28 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Probably they think choosing linux is somehow makes them superior.
Bone-Juice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:24:04 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a gamer, so for me, linux would be a poor choice. Sure you can play some games in linux, but for non-native games, I refuse to mess around with emulators so that I can play a half-assed version of a game that runs just fine in windows.
trustmethisismyname ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:56:11 on November 8, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:48:44 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Was I even talking to you numpty? No.
Boop_the_snoot ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:15:59 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Do I look like a care?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:35:45 on November 8, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You are aware that I cannot see you right?
Feel free to resume your boring life any time.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:30:46 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
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TbonerT ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:37:36 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thatโs why buggy code that compromises security doesnโt get caught for years, right? Did everyone assume that someone else would fix it or is it that they simply didnโt fully understand the change they submitted years earlier? Open source is great and Iโm all for it but I am also aware that it doesnโt produce perfect code.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:51:09 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Its an operating system hard coded from 1's and 0's, not some mysterious organism.
TbonerT ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:58:15 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What are you talking about?
What does that even mean?
jonathanpaulin ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:53:41 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't it usually down your throat or up your ass?
Not sure I understand the logistic in shoving something down your ass, is it so far down your throat it's not down your ass?
abobobilly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:08:37 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well you seem to be experienced in your field, so i'll let you be the judge.
jonathanpaulin ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:31:19 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The shoving industry isn't as profitable as it used to be, I do not recommend it.
overzeetop ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 12:39:16 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think the official term is "whataboutism"
Ovidhalia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:55 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I read that as โwhatabotulismโ at first and got super confused what you were trying to say about botulism.
I_am_godzilla ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 03:57:35 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Also be ready to have to do this literally every time the OS updates.
puesa ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 07:30:58 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
After 500 times you would anticipate it...
huddie71 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 13:22:20 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Which is, what, twice a year?
ProgramTheWorld ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 08:42:06 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This sub in a nutshell
PingerSurprise ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:09:32 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That doesn't make it OK for any company actually. They all should just stop.
Car_weeb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:08:06 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dont normalize this shit
SigmaTheDJ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:34:06 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think your sarcasm detector may be faulty. Is it Microsoft-branded?
Car_weeb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:50 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No but they didnt release the source code
Mark_Draconian ยท 120 points ยท Posted at 01:00:43 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Instead of begging for users to choose Edge, it would be better make Edge really good for daily use
ayeshrajans ยท 62 points ยท Posted at 11:09:02 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well to fair, Edge is quite good. It's totally not the shitty browser Internet Explorer was.
wolfcry0 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 13:55:28 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
Eh it's alright, it's still a bit unstable with daily browsing though and the bookmarks system is just awful unless you only have a handful of them. It also requires your whole system be signed it with a microsoft account to sync anything.
Thotaz ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:43:15 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lol, it can't even handle tabs properly, look at how much it struggles to move tabs around inside the same window, or back and forth between new and old windows: https://streamable.com/5olhv
yiweitech ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 09:19:44 on November 8, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
I thought this was a freak bug on your machine, so I opened 2 tabs, dragged them to switch places twice, and now I can't drag either of them. Christ.
Edit: So it completely broke when I right clicked to open the tab a new window, like the reddit tab straight up disappeared when I opened a new tab in that same window?https://i.gyazo.com/2cf08944b636431bd4d7a87528f0a7f3.mp4
Edit 2: ????? https://i.gyazo.com/6ca9fea5a9eb3c3e2df7ce28b68f9dce.mp4
Maybe I'm wearing rose colored glasses but at least I remember IE being usable?
It's like the people making MS products don't ever use them, even to test the most basic functions work as intended
Edit 3: Well this is a dumpster fire, my stable af PC just BSOD'd on me. Dunno the cause yet since it's still dumping but the first time I open edge in years and..... This is certainly an adventure
Edit 4: eventlog is nonsense, didn't even give an error besides a generic memory corruption BSOD. No dump file... It's literally not there. RAM tests fine.
Edit 5: Can't reproduce BSOD, most of the edge problems are reproducible on multiple machines/builds/versions. I give up, no edge no problems
Ahahaha I'll make a post in the morning about this bs MS lets out the door. Don't use edge people
huddie71 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 13:25:45 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
True, and the current version's a big improvement over old ones. Even the Android app's great.
folkrav ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:46:21 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As a user, yes. As a developer, fuck Edge.
I'll be fair, it's not quite as smelly of a turd as IE either. It's still a turd.
Urbautz ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:23:54 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, it's really bad that you need to keep to the official standards to have it look like you want.
I'm not coding / scripting myself anymore, but our guys are mostly complaining about Firefox/Gecko and IE10/Trident, while Edge and Webkit/Bink based browsers are fine.
AwesomeInPerson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:43 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yup, am a web dev myself, Edge is fine nowadays. Firefox is too though, I wonder what problems your dev team is facing there.
For me it looks like this in terms of least effort per browser:
- Chrome (100%)
- Firefox (95%)
- Edge (70%)
- Safari Desktop (68%)
- Safari Mobile (15%)
- Internet Explorer 10/11 (0%)
...with Edge and Safari Desktop exchanging ranks with every update or so.
Internet Explorer is horrible as always, but at least it's been around for so long that nearly every problem is documented and solved already by someone on the internet. It always takes time, but it's usually just trying out some solutions you found online until one works.
The real devil is iOS Safari, it has a lot of small and annoying compatibility bugs and "specialties" in rendering & layout and those problems aren't nearly as well documented and complained about as the Internet Explorer stuff, so you can spend a lot of time hunting those problems down. Plus it's on mobile devices, so debugging is harder... :(
self_me ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:28:57 on November 9, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you have a mac, you can plug your phone in and debug things running in safari mobile on the safari web inspector
AwesomeInPerson ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:46:40 on November 9, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yup โ and for Windows (or Mac, e.g. if you want to use VSCode or Chrome for debugging) you can use
remotedebug-ios-webkit-adapater.But even if you can remote debug and have port forwarding setup so your dev server and hot-reload work (which already takes time), the debugging is still slower and less reliable than what you get on the desktop, in my experience.
kristiansands ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:29:45 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Even for a user Edge is terrible. It can't keep the bookmarks it loves to collect.
maeries ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:10:03 on December 3, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Might be true, but Mozilla is a nonprofit that fights for the free internet and the rights of its users while Microsoft spies on its users and tries to make the most profit from them that's possible. So what browser do you think I use?
m7samuel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:50:18 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Edge is trailing Firefox and Chrome by a few years in features and speed. It feels like everything you do in edge is just slower than it needs to be.
TheMooligan101 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:08:46 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Really? If anything, Edge feels faster than the both of them. Probably because of the total lack of extensions, with the exception of uBlock
m7samuel ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:15:41 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In the course of my work I work with several dozen laptops, servers, VMs, etc in the course of a year. I have never seen edge approach anything like "fast" on launch or tab open, and even as I test right now doing an "inspect element" on msn.com on vanilla installs of Edge vs Firefox, Edge takes 3 times as long with noticeable UI lag in the process. Firefox takes under a second.
I'm glad that Edge works for some folks, and I'm glad that it is substantially better than the old IE7/8/9 atrocities, but it still is not even close for me.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:04:34 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As a web dev I disagree
Dantaro ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:54:54 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Really? As a web dev I 100% agree
trollxic ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:19:20 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
i want reasons and examples from both of you
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:28:26 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Encoding issues on non English characters and non utf8
Car_weeb ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:07:09 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Except it is
Private_HughMan ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:20:00 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Edge isn't bad, though it does still need some work. But even if it was the best browser ever, the user didn't type "internet" or "browser." The user typed "firef."
The user knows what they want, MS. Stop trying to make them switch in the middle of use. People don't like to be interrupted.
TiltedTommyTucker ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:46:01 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Edge peaked like 9 months ago. 1803 introduced some serious issues that have turned away everyone that MS finally won over after the abysmal launch, at least in my domain.
Now Edge can't even load Microsoft.com correctly. Microsoft should be embarrassed.
HolyFreakingXmasCake ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:10:26 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I bet they've only tested Microsoft.com in Chrome.
TiltedTommyTucker ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:08:04 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hah, tested.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:53:53 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Makes me wonder if this type of "processing" is what makes Windows search so shitty to begin with.
Korysovec ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 07:30:49 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And maybe make it easier to transfer passwords from other browsers.
Reset_Assured ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 12:57:34 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You shouldn't store passwords in your browser anyways.
TiltedTommyTucker ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:49:59 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The world can have my password for www.blockbuster.com. I really don't care.
Browsers can store passwords for you as long as you don't use it for anything important or duplicate your passwords. It's really not a big deal at all.
Reset_Assured ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:59:17 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's not, the problem with having the expectation of using them for everything causes problems.
Also, implementing a way to export and import password could make a security hole. Don't you think?
vitorgrs ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:12:40 on November 8, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There's literally no security problem on edge related with that, because it uses Windows native password manager.
Which is widely used! Your Microsoft account password on Windows is stored in the same way!
wolfcry0 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:55:50 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Password manager is the way to go there, passwords stored in a browser are hilariously insecure.
vitorgrs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:13:38 on November 8, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There's literally no security problem on edge related with that, because it uses Windows native password manager.
Which is widely used! Your Microsoft account password on Windows is stored in the same way!
Peribanu ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 09:04:42 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Define "really good" -- what's missing from it currently? I use it daily: it's fast, it doesn't hog the battery on my laptop, and I haven't come across an unusable site in ages. The other browser I use, because it's Open Source, is Firefox, and I'm struggling to find what makes it much better than Edge at this point in time.
EvilMonkeySlayer ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 10:36:44 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Firefox's bookmark tagging system is by far the best bookmark system of any browser.
I can categorise sites making them supremely easy to find.
The old folder based bookmark system is crap. And frankly I'm surprised both Google and MS have not copied Firefox's bookmark tagging system.
NickDynmo ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 12:27:22 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Can you elaborate more, please? I've never heard of this tagging system.
EvilMonkeySlayer ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 12:55:02 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Say I have thousands of bookmarks, I can have an intricate folder structure which is hard to navigate and ultimately still makes it hard to find a site or article I once bookmarked that I can't remember the name of.
Instead I categorise a site by descriptive words.
For example, say I had a guide or article for Apache on Redhat Linux about say configuring virtual hosts.
I would tag it with something like the following "Redhat, Linux, Apache, Virtual Hosts, vhosts". Each comma denotes a tag. So if I wanted to find it again in the future I don't need to remember the site or article name. All I need to know is what I'm searching for which is Linux, Apache and virtual hosts.
I enter those words (tags) into the address bar and Firefox finds the site I saved.
Also, you can browse sites by their tags in the Firefox bookmark window.
riki137 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:40:26 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
isnt it just easier to google it everytime than to do this hassle with bookmarking every single useful page?
amunak ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 13:45:20 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not really, Google tends to give popular / tailored results. If this is something you found on the second page of Google (or even somewhere else completely) it's unlikely that you'll be able to find it again easily.
It's also way easier to track missing, removed or moved pages this way.
Urbautz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:19:07 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I seem to be the only one who ever made a bookmark i kept longer than a day. Since Windows Timeline i don't do that any more.
Lightracer ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 11:09:41 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It just stutters, the buttons are wonky (it looks pressed, but nothing happens for 5 seconds which really looks uncomfortable for me), and I feel like it's just pseudo-smooth. At least in my experience
Inprobamur ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:47:02 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Firefox has better history and bookmarks function with standalone tabs that let you filter, sort and tag easily.
Also the middle click scroll is no smooth at all.
m7samuel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:51:36 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Try going to msn.com in firefox and edge, rightclick on some news story, and hit "inspect element". Firefox experience is nearly instant (under a second).
Edge wants to hang for a second opening dev tools, hang for another second waiting for HTML to populate, and finally jump to the document location after another second. Total time in my testing is consistently 3 seconds or so.
Even things like opening tabs just take longer in edge, to the point it is actually irritating. I don't think firefox tab opens have *ever* been slow, even in the 1.0 days, whereas I don't think edge tab opens have ever been fast. It feels like something inherited from IE7.
Urbautz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:21:33 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In no current browser (using Edge, IE11 and Vivaldi) I can feel any delay when I open a new tab. Even on Surface 3 (non-Pro).
bajirav ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:50:42 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
cnn.com is very slow and buggy on Edge. I guess the website itself is a POS with autoplaying videos but Chrome/Firefox handle it fine whereas Edge routinely chokes on it. There are other bugs such as missing characters on new tab, tabs taking longer to load for some unknown reason etc.
Edge's media block also doesn't work properly on cnn.com(I am on 1809).
You'd think they test on common news sites?
I like Edge but as of now on my PC Firefox is most reliable ahead of both Chrome and Edge.
TiltedTommyTucker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:51:57 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I literally can't load microsoft.com with it half the time.
ThouArtNaught ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:32:52 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The deal breaker for me is pretty small. I like the Google Dictionary extension on Chrome that lets you double click a word for instant definitions. Other than that, there's not much else.
Tobimacoss ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 11:01:56 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comments/9utrw7/how_to_use_the_builtin_dictionary_on_microsoft/
Urbautz ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:18:11 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And it does that without reporting anything to google!
ThouArtNaught ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:05 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well that works
Forsinan4 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:59:38 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
it totally is xD not the best but pretty good
thomasjkenney ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:43:24 on November 8, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Symptom of disbanding your QC department: If nobody uses Edge, you don't get any testing and can't make it better.
kristiansands ยท -16 points ยท Posted at 02:09:32 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You don't want to use a browser that you can't remove from your system.
michaelzu7 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 06:41:10 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sound logic there chum. Do you know what else you can't remove from your operating system? The whole libraries... Bet you don't want to use those either since they can't be removed from your OS. Right?
kristiansands ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:24:25 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
Nice Strawman, thanks. I'm pretty confident Windows 10 remove what it wants to remove today, with no concern about users commands. Edge should be a removable browser, still. It explain why most people don't give it a try. But logic and Microsoft are two very different things, they don't match together.
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 07:18:59 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You probably remove your current browser from your system on a daily basis.
kristiansands ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:42 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
If it was Edge, yes. And it would not be reinstalled after of course, never.
piercethereaper ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:15:14 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It is.
Germ2501 ยท 64 points ยท Posted at 07:20:03 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The irony here is Google being fined in EU for bundling Android with Google's own suite of products not long ago.
But no recent news of Microsoft being in the same case for rubbing Microsoft's own suite of software into our faces with Windows 10.
Dippin_Emma ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 10:00:42 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
Edit: Market share plays a role, too, probably.
neuromancer_pl ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 07:50:04 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's what makes my head scratch as well. Also, follow up question: would it be possible for MS to slip Edge through any restrictions by saying it's an OS component, similar to how IE was a component in previous Windows versions?
_AACO ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 09:34:30 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Some years ago MS had to show users that other browsers could be used instead of IE. since IE and Edge market share is so low (market share of both combined is less than 15% i think) i dont think the EU will do anything.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 08:06:10 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
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lukekarts ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 08:21:41 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Edge is definitely part of W10 in Europe, sadly.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:24:18 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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ProjectVRD ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 09:45:30 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How can you fine a company for monopolising a market when the product has a 4% share of that market?
Tobimacoss ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 10:38:54 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
The whole EU fining thing is dumb, but Edge has a 11.5% marketshare, according to netmarketshare, making it the 2nd most used browser on windows 10.
bonia22 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 11:25:35 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Please explain, how in the hell EU fining is dumb?
Tobimacoss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:14:42 on November 8, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Because edge isn't just a browser, it's a foundation for a platform. EdgeHTML is the reason why Netflix UWP app can stream 4k, and why only Edge browser and Netflix can stream to 4k on windows. Edge is integral to the OS.
And it isn't a monopoly, there's no misuse of monopoly. MS is trying to push new windows app development APIset and technologies for modern windows devices like Surface, browsers like chrome only hold back those devices, and the future of windows development, so it's in MS every interest to get people to check out Edge.
TheMooligan101 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:11:32 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Are you drunk? According to NetMarketshare, Edge has 4,34%. Internet Explorer is second at 11,43%
Tobimacoss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:08:11 on November 8, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You are looking at total Desktop usage numbers.....edge isnt on windows 7, which is only supported for 13.5 more months, so pointless stat.
Read what I said carefully, I'm talking windows 10 usage numbers, Edge is 2nd highest browser on win 10
https://www.netmarketshare.com/browser-market-share.aspx?options=%7B%22filter%22%3A%7B%22%24and%22%3A%5B%7B%22platformVersion%22%3A%22Windows%2010%22%7D%5D%7D%2C%22dateLabel%22%3A%22Custom%22%2C%22attributes%22%3A%22share%22%2C%22group%22%3A%22browserVersion%22%2C%22sort%22%3A%7B%22share%22%3A-1%7D%2C%22id%22%3A%22browsersDesktopVersions%22%2C%22dateInterval%22%3A%22Monthly%22%2C%22dateStart%22%3A%222018-09%22%2C%22dateEnd%22%3A%222018-10%22%2C%22segments%22%3A%22-1000%22%7D
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:26:52 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What are these stats ?
i manage a website, last time i checked web browser marketshare edge was like 1%.
Tobimacoss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:09:56 on November 8, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Idk wtf u checking, but read carefully....
https://www.netmarketshare.com/browser-market-share.aspx?options=%7B%22filter%22%3A%7B%22%24and%22%3A%5B%7B%22platformVersion%22%3A%22Windows%2010%22%7D%5D%7D%2C%22dateLabel%22%3A%22Custom%22%2C%22attributes%22%3A%22share%22%2C%22group%22%3A%22browserVersion%22%2C%22sort%22%3A%7B%22share%22%3A-1%7D%2C%22id%22%3A%22browsersDesktopVersions%22%2C%22dateInterval%22%3A%22Monthly%22%2C%22dateStart%22%3A%222018-09%22%2C%22dateEnd%22%3A%222018-10%22%2C%22segments%22%3A%22-1000%22%7D
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:31:59 on November 8, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
my bad, didn't notice you looked stats only on windows 10 device.
IMO it is more interesting to give stats accross all device/OS since edge is on iphone, android, console, tablet and computer.
Then you get the 1% market share i was talking about.
Pizza_and_Rainbows ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:29:12 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Probably not because Edge has a very low market share
Tobimacoss ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 10:36:28 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
According to netmarketshare, Edge is the 2nd most used browser on windows 10 at 11.5% to Firefox 9.5%
Happysin ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 10:59:32 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There's no way that's correct, considering Chrome's adoption numbers.
Tobimacoss ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:14:12 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm talking windows 10 browser usage numbers.
https://www.netmarketshare.com/browser-market-share.aspx?options=%7B"filter"%3A%7B"%24and"%3A%5B%7B"platformVersion"%3A"Windows%2010"%7D%5D%7D%2C"dateLabel"%3A"Custom"%2C"attributes"%3A"share"%2C"group"%3A"browserVersion"%2C"sort"%3A%7B"share"%3A-1%7D%2C"id"%3A"browsersDesktopVersions"%2C"dateInterval"%3A"Monthly"%2C"dateStart"%3A"2018-09"%2C"dateEnd"%3A"2018-10"%2C"segments"%3A"-1000"%7D
Happysin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:30:34 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yah, and Chrome is over 60% in the link you send me. Kinda my point.
Happysin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:31:16 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, nevermind, I see I misread you. I was thinking you were saying firefox is top.
FullPoet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:21:44 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's 100% part of any Windows 10 build.
huddie71 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:35:06 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why do redditors downvote comments like this? I mean, your 'maybe' suggestion turns out to be incorrect but that doesn't warrant a downvote.
m7samuel ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:54:31 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's because edge isn't a monopoly by any stretch-- even corporate tends to avoid it-- so different rules apply.
You can't abuse a monopoly you don't have.
georgeMns ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:13:10 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Edge is not a product by it self
mkdr ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 07:11:43 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
I have noticed this disgusting behavior too. The search index of the start menu is garbage. If you type something like "Tes" it doesn't necessarily show you results starting with "Tes" but whatever it decides is "better fitting". This can be even advertising by MS. I hated this behavior since the god old start menu, where it was still working and how a human would expect it. It got a little bit better with 1809, however, I would still prefer a "stupid" mode without any prediction. I want just to show first listings alphabetical, not by some "intelligent prediction what I maybe mean" and Windows gets 99% wrong.
19468 ยท -16 points ยท Posted at 10:27:21 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
how sad is it, to come here every day and whine about an operating system.
btw, you can turn this "disgusting behavior" off
TbonerT ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 11:12:43 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Less sad than complaining about complaints.
mkdr ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 11:38:35 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No YOU CANT. You obviously didnt understand, what I said. I was not complaining directly about the advertising, I was saying, that the search index service of Windows 10 is garbage.
zenyl ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 10:08:27 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Microsoft: Sets default browser to Edge after a system update reset all my default applications
Me: Switches back to Firefox as default
Microsoft: It looks like you're trying to access the Internet. How about Microsoft Edge, the best browser ever (source missing)?
Microsoft: Sets Photos as default photo viewer after a system update reset all my default applications
Me: Sets Windows Photo Viewer as default photo viewer
Microsoft: It looks like you're trying to use a photo viewer app that doesn't hog half your RAM doing Satya knows what. Are you sure you want to do that?
Microsoft: Sets Movies & TV as default video player after a system update reset all my default applications
Me: Sets VLC as default video player
Microsoft: It looks like you want a video player that can handle nearly any file format, including .ISO DVD rips. Can we interest you in a lame program that can play maybe half of your video files?
Aryma_Saga ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 11:08:47 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
i like when i open photo and take 10s to open in my i7 7gen 16ram
zenyl ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 11:10:53 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Meanwhile, the old Windows Photo Viewer only has a slight delay when opening the first image. From then on, it loads additional images very quickly, and with very little additional RAM usage compared to the filesize of the image.
It's too bad Microsoft doesn't consider good app design to be an important factor, when developing default apps for the most widely used desktop OS on the planet.
TreatmentForYourRash ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:23:12 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
IrfanView was released in 1997 and opens instantly with support for almost everything (including DNG and CR2)
zenyl ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:26:01 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's called good design (protocol, not program). Rare, but it happens every now and then.
Aryma_Saga ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:40:26 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
i use IrfanView for more than 10 years
TiltedTommyTucker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:54:38 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I wish irfan handled RAW images better.
Aryma_Saga ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:39:43 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I like old Windows Photo Viewer more that the MS metro app
zenyl ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:40:15 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone does.
Tobimacoss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:01:37 on November 8, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Question: have you ever noticed the photos app exhibit different behavior than the windows photo viewer??
zenyl ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:38:06 on November 8, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, it hogs RAM like nobodyโs business.
Tobimacoss ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:02:00 on November 8, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
We're talking photos app, not chrome.... ;)
Lol, the ram issue aside, many reasons for that, valid or not. But the most important difference, you never really noticed.
Unlike the windows photo viewer which is win32 APIset, the photos app which is the UWP APIset, follows modern app behavior.
Do you understand?? That behavior is worth throwing out the entire win32 app environment over and starting over. Without that behavior windows dies, if that is what you prefer, enjoy ChromeOS as your future of computing. It will be either or.
Have u figured it out yet??
zenyl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:41:30 on November 8, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Watch a 1080p video and read an article, or view a single image. Same RAM usage when Photos goes haywire.
UWP is underdeveloped due to a lack of engagement from developers. This is mostly due to:
As for throwing out Win32, youโre either a moron, have a bad delivery when telling jokes, or both.
If MS were to drop Win32 support tomorrow, Iโd switch to Arch. Also, 90% of businesses would grind to a halt.
FlightlessFly ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 13:55:33 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm on board with shitting on MS apps, but the photos app in my experience is solid. It takes maybe 2 seconds max to open a large photo from file explorer then scrolls through the rest of them with no delay. It also doesn't hog RAM for me
Aryma_Saga ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:08 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
did you use metro or store app for that ?
AwesomeBrainPowers ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 13:17:50 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The one that really gets me is automatically resetting Edge to be the default PDF viewer.
zenyl ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 13:19:54 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The resetting is annoying, but browsers acting as PDF readers is imo a positive.
It removes the need for dedicated PDF reader applications, and the vast majority of people wonโt care where they read PDF documents anyways.
AwesomeBrainPowers ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 13:28:35 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I work in IT, so it annoys me to have a browser (which is not even set as the systemโs default browser) decide to override the software I have specifically installed to view PDFs. (Letโs also ignore, for the minute, that Iโm installing Acrobat Pro & that Edge has a problem viewing some PDFs.)
Iโm not arguing against browsers being able to open PDFs; Iโm arguing against an OS manufacturer deciding it gets to override its users choice of software.
zenyl ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:46:05 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That I completely agree with. Browsers should, imo, act as a stand-in for a dedicated PDF reader if none is found. If, however, the user has installed a dedicated PDF reader, browsers should be prioritized below the dedicated reader, since browsers are far less capable when it comes to PDF manipulation (due to their nowadays very broad but generic nature as do-it-all tools).
For reference, I work as a software developer, and the first thing i do whenever set up a new PC I'm going to use (work related or otherwise) is to scrape away a lot of the default crap that MS enables by default;
m7samuel ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:57:19 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't though, there's a ton of crap that breaks in browser PDF.
It's great for consuming some scanned document, it's not great for the other 95% of stuff PDF is used for.
zenyl ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:01:48 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Funny, Iโve never had any issues viewing PDF files in Firefox. The point of PDF files is after all to be portable, so not rendering it accurately would be a pretty huge issue.
m7samuel ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:24:02 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you encounter digital signatures or forms you'll see issues.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:23:59 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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zenyl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:24:58 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, that's what I'm saying.....
TreatmentForYourRash ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:26 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Whoops, misread. Sorry.
Car_weeb ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:13:47 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Microsoft:it looks like you want a video player without microtransactions. No
zenyl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:40:53 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
VLC: Breaks through the wall like the Kool-Aid Man
Car_weeb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:33:44 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
MPV: Descends from the heavens
BillNeeTheScienceBee ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:06:38 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Microsoft must get design tips from r/assholedesign
dougm68 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 05:02:21 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Trust us. You want it. You all want it...
Kenzibitt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:11:02 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No I don't and won't again after edge mysteriously deleted all my favorites and reading lists (from work projects in the years of making) last week. Tried all troubleshoots to no avail and no one has either replied to my emails and tweets.
I never liked or gave Chrome a chance but in the process of joining the Chrome team now, scared to use edge now and doubt I'd ever in my life use it again.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:31:41 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Arkhenstone ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 08:29:06 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely not Brave. They makes you think they're reasonable, while they just intend to be the king of web. The payment system works like the website are Steam games, and Brave is the Steam platform. While it makes sense for games to be sold in a store, it makes no sense for websites to be so.
By that way "Replace ads with Brave ads" option is truly a shame.
killchain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:24:06 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wait what? It's a paid browser? Didn't this trend go away with Opera 8.5?
-GenghisDong ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:31:44 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's not a paid browser but you can pay money to websites and content creators to support them with Brave currency, since Brave has built in Adblock
P3t3rU5 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 08:24:39 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
don't use brave its shitty, go for ungoogoed chrome or bromite
TheMooligan101 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:08 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Really? In what ways?
puppy2016 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:59:19 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If Microsoft finally fixed the broken font rendering that doesn't take custom ClearType settings into the account, I'd use it. Until then Firefox only.
OldGuyGeek ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 03:19:48 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I. Do. Want. Edge. Thanks. Microsoft.
No, Google. I. Don't Want Chrome.
globex_co ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:28:26 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Both are wrong here, but this is worth calling out. I can't open YouTube, GMail, or Google without being reminded how secure Chrome is. Every...single...day....and on GMail I get two notices that stack on each other.
illithidbane ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:48:06 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder what I'm doing differently. I never get any notices and I use GMail/YouTube in Firefox every day.
globex_co ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:08:35 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I do all my browsing in private mode so it could be that?
HolyFreakingXmasCake ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:00:35 on November 8, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
D'oh! So how do you expect Google to remember that you clicked "No thanks" if private mode erases cookies every time it's closed?
globex_co ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:35:00 on November 8, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, fine you CAN argue that, but a ton of people want some privacy. I think as a consumer it's fair to expect I have a right to use private browsing modes and not be nagged. The solution is simple, they don't need to use cookies they can tie it to my account.
The point is, it's not a good move as a consumer to just accept that's the way it is. We're supposed to be looking out for each other as consumers, not defending corporations when they don't deserve it.
HolyFreakingXmasCake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:04:34 on November 8, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Youโre using private mode because you donโt want to be tracked but you log into your Google Account in private mode?
Regardless, the point is, when you first visit Google in private mode, youโre logged out. They have zero ways of keeping track of your preferences until you log in. This is not me defending a corporation, itโs me saying they canโt magic a solution if you insist on using private mode.
Try using normal browsing mode and youโll see that Google doesnโt nag you as often as you think it does.
globex_co ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:21:05 on November 8, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I use private mode as a default for a browser I predominantly use just for GMail. I have logged in without private mode, but my preference of using private mode shouldn't matter.
It's once you log into the services though that Google nags me. Once I'm logged in, it should STOP ASKING ME TO USE CHROME ALL THE TIME.
HolyFreakingXmasCake ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:36:07 on November 8, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโve only had to dismiss it once and it never bothered me on the same browser again. They might be using just cookies, in which case I agree that they could tie it to your account so at least it stops nagging after login. Before login, there is nothing they can do as every private mode instance looks like a new browser to them.
globex_co ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:53:13 on November 9, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed. Reading my initial post I realize I was NOT clear about this at all, haha.
Pizza_and_Rainbows ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 08:31:05 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thereโs also firefox. Imho both edge and chrome are equally bad
Tobimacoss ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:43:00 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I love Edge, best looking browser, great for touchscreen devices.
NatoBoram ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 03:57:26 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, once Google asked you his round of questions for about 10 visits on google.com, it shuts up about it. Not Window.
CharaNalaar ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 05:49:28 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Actually it doesn't. I've been dealing with those prompts for months and they don't go away.
deludedfool ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:50:15 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I can confirm, Google gets on my nerves about this it's really frustrating.
Urbautz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:25:41 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I use my adblocker to block that. Also you can block the Google Usage Agreement on youtube, so you never have to agree on this.
CataclysmZA ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:33:07 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
duckduckgo.com
Bing also isn't that bad if you're signed in and it's allowed to tailor search results based on your history.
Elizer0x0309 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:43:19 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And points to redeem
N1cknamed ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:48:34 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A search engine isn't the only thing google has...
ProjectVRD ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 09:55:47 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Correct. It also has 70% of the ad companies that exist on the Internet that people seem to complaining about.
Tobimacoss ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:44:32 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Imagine if Google had no ad revenues suddenly if everyone started using adblockers....
The whole house of cards would fall
longboardshayde ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 08:09:58 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lol no it doesn't. Been using edge for 3 years now, Google still slaps me in the face with chrome pop-ups every time I go check my email or go do a search.
Arkhenstone ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 08:42:58 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well, you paid your Windows, and Edge is preinstalled. Chrome is not, it's free, and you use their service. This is not the same thing. Not that one is more acceptable than the other, but one is begging AND removing choice of the user, while the other just asks for you to install.
ProjectVRD ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:57:17 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How exactly?
Arkhenstone ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:46:47 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It happens Edge takes back the "default browser". This is okay for me, just go there and check it back to firefox. But my parents don't even know what a browser is, and they just call because they "I lost all my favorites and the windows is weird, we don't have a virus right ?".
Perdouille ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 09:21:57 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And purposely ruin your experience to force you switch to Chrome.
They're worse than Microsoft.
SexualDeth5quad ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:51:19 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They're both bad. Why do people put up with this crap instead of just using Firefox?
Tobimacoss ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:50:15 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No one is begging, it's a recommendation.... The future of windows depends on UWP, and Edge is a good example to introduce to users, MS has every right to let users know about it's advantages. Where did the choice get removed??
You also must not be aware of how chrome spread in the same behavior as malware, being bundled with third party software installs, then setting itself as default, for the clueless users.
Arkhenstone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:37:24 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The UWP part is another talk. No one ever chose Edge over whatever because UWP but techie people. And trust me that you use Edge because you like it more than anything else (and I can understand).
Also you still just oppose one to the other, while I say no to both. Chrome behaviour AND Edge behaviour are intrusive, both of them. But this is a post about Edge. So yes, Edge behaviour is bad. You paid for it, you have it preinstalled, pinned to your taskbar by default, and you most likely launch it once. This is VERY MUCH to end user. If they go grab another browser, they likely want their browser back, or dislike Edge. Stop pushing it like this.
randolph51 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 09:58:58 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I had to remove Edge for my dear old 77 year okd secretary. Trying to export the bookmarks, I had to search and find that the โexportโ command was buried in the โimportโ menu. Very screwed up.
DriveMeFly ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:17:50 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Go fuck Microsoft. Win 10 is like a shit and they want to earn your money by this shit. What a shit!
scary_perry ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 15:27:45 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Calm down soy boy
DriveMeFly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:28:49 on November 8, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You know only pro version can do business, but pro is like a shit, you must buy Enterprise version. This is a professional software company called Microsoft, see what they have done. They just want money and not anything else. This is a robbing.
yasinvai ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:34:23 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
weird.. mine doesnt show edge
FalseAgent ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:04:15 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
doesn't this disappear after you click firefox once?
๐๏ธ RandomCheeseCake ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:06:22 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not for me
ryuujinusa ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:27:29 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sad no one will give MS browser a chance anymore after they left IE crashing and burning for so long. Their fault, oh well.
zacker150 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:52:01 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Are you running an insider build? It doesn't do that on my system.
๐๏ธ RandomCheeseCake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:04:47 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, version 1809
zacker150 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:31:42 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So basically, you're in the limbo. Currently, the live stable build is 1803. I'm not sure how Microsoft is handling the users who got the 1809 update before they pulled back to Insider land.
Aryma_Saga ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:13:07 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
they can't handle normal let's alone 1809 least thing ms handle it right is windows 7
Trudel3000 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 08:08:19 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Does not happen here. But I'm wondering, how do you get the panel on the right? Looks neat.
๐๏ธ RandomCheeseCake ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:19:14 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Comes with windows 10, October update, 1809
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:07:10 on November 6, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
ya you do - MS knows best!
SuspiciousTry3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:58:50 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I would replace that start menu with a third party one. You don't need to suffer anymore. If they made Edge fully featured at Window 10 RTM, then people would have been using it more. However, it was half baked at launch. No one is interested in using it. Same with all the built in apps Microsoft has made. Half baked, featureless. They are sub-par compared to their older versions.
Tobimacoss ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:55:34 on November 8, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Your latter statement is just false, but what did you expect from a new browser on a new APIset, on a new OS?? Especially one that is also integrated into the os and is the foundation of other apps, for example, Netflix app streams 4k only because of EdgeHTML.
It was always a work in progress, judge Edge based on 1809, not 1507. Edge is a pretty good browser on desktops, superior on touchscreen and battery devices, and only getting better.
Edge team mission statement is to keep the browser 100% to the W3C standards, that's what matters, and that should be the merit its judged upon.
TheShanoGamer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:53:13 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wow
E5150_Julian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:59:11 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't this stop when you turn off suggestions?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:08:44 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
What version are you on? Hit the Start button and type โwinverโ (short for Windows Version) and hit enter. Should give you a pop up window showing your build number. Also, hit up the Settings App and turn of features related to tips, tricks, and suggestions as you so please, then see if it continues. I think this happens when Windows is set to give you suggestions and such. I used to have this problem, but ever since it went away for me, I noticed that on fresh VM installs where I don't really touch much in the Settings App, this happens to me quite often.
Hollow3ddd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:37 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I just started using edge. I don't like it, but it reduced a few headaches a day.
Tobimacoss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:47:45 on November 8, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Put it in dark mode. Then setup a slideshow of wallpaper collection at 10 minute intervals. Looks great with the Fluent Design on edge interacting with the Wallpapers.
rmpbklyn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:25 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ditto
Mechanickel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:05:13 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Running 1809 and not getting this. I have had weird results from previous searches though, but I haven't noticed any specific microsoft app push in them.
Mr_Mendelli ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:20:31 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The thing I hate most about this shameless self-promotion is that it almost entierly relies on the uninformed or naive, and these companies damn well know that.
Johnny5point6 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:22 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I just searched for Chrome and Mozilla on my computer made my Microsoft and this did not happen.
AwakenGreywolf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:52:17 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I also don't want candy crush, the new photos app that takes ages to load, the new settings that doesn't have most of the features the old one has, paint 3D, and the miracast or 3D viewer, these last 2 i can't uninstall because apparently they're "essential" to the OS
technobrendo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:30:37 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Admin rights -> (It's dangerous to go alone, take this) Powershell -> Delete all the bullshit you don't want.
morthawt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:33:49 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Add this to the list. Microsoft has been nothing but a disappointment since Windows 10 came out. Bugs, issues, accidents, decisions to try and trick people into upgrading from 7 to win 10 by changing what the X button means. Shady. If I weren't locked into the Microsoft Ecosystem, I would move to Kubuntu linux. FACT.
gabrielvirgilio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:34:36 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.drivereasy.com/knowledge/how-to-remove-microsoft-edge-from-windows-10-solved/
TiltedTommyTucker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:44:45 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Same with fucking skype.
Every other god damn week skype re-installs, and it's not even coming in through updates. It's MS exploiting their backdoor to push software like a motherfucking virus.
easytechguides ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:51:24 on November 8, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Microsoft Edge doesn't show up when I type firef or firefo or firefox into the Windows 10 search bar.
bitekr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:32:25 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Edge is actually surprisingly good. This is no different then using edge going to google.com and getting recommendation to use chrome for best experience
nametag555 ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 03:44:43 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Edge is much better than chrome. My go to Firefox has lost it over the last few years too
Tobimacoss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:00:13 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You should try out Firefox Quantum, it's quite good. I use Edge as primary, and Firefox as secondary browsers.
Also, put edge in Dark Mode, and create a slideshow of a collection of wallpapers, refreshing at 10 minute intervals.
The Fluent Design on Edge looks amazing that way.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:11:15 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Good for you, thatโs not what this conversation is about. Stop fanboying by trying to undermine OPโs personal preference. You saying this serves nothing other than to try and subconsciously blame OP for not bending over backwards to make themself prefer Edge
nametag555 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:10:16 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Have a coffee and calm down. I am no fanboy, or blaming anyone for anything or undermining anyone personal preference. I would never want anyone to bend over backwards for a web browser. I apologize for offending you. I donโt work for Microsoft or have a vested interest in their success or failure. Lol
munky82 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:17:52 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Check out Vivaldi. But give it a week or two, not an hour or day.
N1cknamed ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 06:49:21 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I gave it a month. Very slow and not very pretty. No thanks.
munky82 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:13:52 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Weird. It is faster than the other big 3 for me. Especially after 2.0
Urbautz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:28:03 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It was until a view version ago. No it's quite good. Still, my main browser remains edge. But Vivaldi is my second choise.
chinpokomon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:25:40 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I want to like it... Still can't make it my default. 90% of the time I use Edge, 9% Chrome, and Vivaldi the rest. Chrome is only there really to give my work and personal browsing two independent clients.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:22:49 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They don't care.
PM_ME_HAIRLESS_CATS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:09:42 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I like how the EU gives Google a bunch of bullshit over Chrome and yet Microsoft is here basically telling people what browser to use in Windows 10. Something they were TOLD TO STOP DOING!
UnoriginalSuit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:10:27 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't have edge in Ubuntu 18.04, try upgrading your OS!? To be honest I have to use a Windows install when checking compatibility with Edge and IE anyway.
dustin_w ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:07:32 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
i deleted microsoft explorer like a boss.
zenyl ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 09:56:29 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Who needs explorer, when you've got PowerShell.
dustin_w ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:39:17 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
i meant internet explorer but that too lmao
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 07:20:54 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Then click Firefox? Windows search is shitty at first, but it gets better once it knows what apps you tend to click when you search.
I think the web search feature makes up for the search being useless at first, but that's just me.
๐๏ธ RandomCheeseCake ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 08:06:12 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But when I hit enter because its more convient than climbing it goes straight to edge which is frustrsting. And of it type any less letters it opens up windows firewall
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:02:45 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I still dont understand how people get stuff like this.
[deleted] ยท -31 points ยท Posted at 21:33:51 on November 6, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
Turning off app recommendations takes less time than posting to Reddit.
Companies promote their own products all the time. Been to Google's home page lately using something lithe than Chrome?
It's not the end of the world if you can disable it, which you can in Windows.
Sir-Hops-A-Lot ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 06:03:23 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think you missed part of the conversation....
-just keep in mind that because another company does it, that makes it OK
The modern excuse for shitty behavior. "Being an asshole is common practice in the industry...."
Chaori ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 00:31:18 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The 'app recommendations' toggle has absolutely nothing to do with this.
๐๏ธ RandomCheeseCake ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 21:36:53 on November 6, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
difference between a paid OS and free search engine
And my Option is already OFF
https://i.imgur.com/BUwf1Tj.png
[deleted] ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 21:51:05 on November 6, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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๐๏ธ RandomCheeseCake ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:56:46 on November 6, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
https://i.imgur.com/5OyjWwP.png
Already did that, issue with the OS and microsoft trying too hard to push the their browser
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:13:05 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
firedge
[deleted] ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 22:43:46 on November 6, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Try Settings > Personalization > Start Menu > Show app suggestions and Settings > System > Notification > Get tips, trick and suggestions.
๐๏ธ RandomCheeseCake ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 23:23:56 on November 6, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
https://i.imgur.com/CN00gqC.png
Already had it disabled.
Kaisogen ยท -15 points ยท Posted at 04:51:00 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I. Don't. Want. Windows. Microsoft.
/r/linux
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 05:12:01 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Is this the year of the linux or not yet?
Kaisogen ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:12:08 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Its perfectly usable, so if you want it to be.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:20:04 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Except if you have laptop (where you wanna use the touchpad and you want good battery life) or if you want to play or you need excel or word. Usable for my grandmother. Probably.
Kaisogen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:16:39 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I used Linux on my laptop for three years. It was faster, and I had better battery life.
If your grandma can use a computer, she'll be fine with Mint. Its extremely easy to use, and doesn't require any command line work to use from scratch.
TheMooligan101 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:35:43 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Battery life has been pretty horrible for me on Linux, sadly. Probably due to crappy drivers.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:29:07 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My battery life with Windows 10 is 6 hours with Mint LTS it was 2 hours and i still didn't talked about the touchpad.. under linux its u s e l e s s. So i dont give a fuck about your linux. Bye.
BigDallasJohn ยท -22 points ยท Posted at 02:44:28 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hopefully after UWP is fully deprecated and Edge is pulled they fire all Edge developers and publicly identify them so no other software company makes the mistake of accidentally hiring them.
N1cknamed ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 06:50:33 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'd rather they don't, because I use Edge all the time.
GoAtReasonableSpeeds ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:13:10 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Edge people are not the worst of the bunch, the ones they should fire are the people behind the "Insider" program. Like Brandon LeBlanc.
Tobimacoss ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 10:56:45 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You may need to go to the doctor. I don't think you are living in reality.
Have u figured out UWP's purpose yet?? If not, keep trying, u will get it in 10 years.
bluejeans7 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:15:31 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, because it's totally not about dumbing down functionality in order to suit technologically retarded people in the form of scalable "apps" which are totally not slower than their win32 counterparts and also not 10 times in size.
L3T ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:03:31 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well THEN how are you going to download firefox HUH?
SecretCatPolicy ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 15:08:00 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You can pin it to the taskbar. You apparently HAVE pinned it to the taskbar. You could also pin it to your start menu, you could put a shortcut on the desktop, you could even define a shortcut key combo to open the shortcut. You could use any number of programs designed to make things easy to run. I imagine you could also verbally ask Cortana to open it. There are so many options that avoid this problem.
But you still insist on searching for it.
What does it take for you to just change your habits? I mean it's true that windows should find it as the first and only result, but the bigger unaddressed problem is that this is just such an inefficient and illogical way of using the computer, and rather than fixing this problem that is entirely within your power to do so, you instead continue on with the "hey MS make it so I can misuse my computer easier!" like a moth endlessly bashing its head on a lampshade.
kjoke ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:05:35 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Apple is right up your alley then...like when they told people they're holding the iphone 4 wrong instead of admitting that their design was flawed.
Besides, hitting the windows key and typing "firef<Enter>" is by far faster and more efficient than any pinned icon.
SecretCatPolicy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:44:11 on November 8, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
First, I disagree, one mouse click is faster than six key presses for me, because I have to move my hand to the keyboard first, since my right hand on the mouse most of the time given that the entire GUI is mouse-based. Second, pressing a shortcut key combo is objectively faster than six key presses.
kjoke ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:02:49 on November 8, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
First, whether a mouse click is fast highly depends on where your pointer currently is, where what you want to click is and how big of a target it is. Second, that's just you. Most productive work on a computer requires both hands on the keyboard. Any professional software comes also with a ton of predefined hotkeys which leads to a different problem: Having additional hotkeys may lead to conflicts and confusion. Hotkeys also aren't necessarily faster because they're somewhat difficult to reach (to avoid accidental presses). Hotkeys aren't portable: If you have to use different computers frequently, you won't have your hotkeys, just the search.
abobobilly ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 10:48:16 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
MS has been edgy about their new browser.
Well it's their OS. They can shove it down users throats.
Recently, they have been quite aggressive, though. I hate it.
EmptyBennett ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 10:35:48 on November 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Better than the fuckery that is Internet Explorer