Yeah, I would like a setting where I can turn off web searches. I just want to search for items on my computer, not the web. If I wanted to search the web, I could just open the browser.
This is a common misconception. Press the start button and start typing. It's really dumb that they hid it like that.
algag ยท 178 points ยท Posted at 17:41:43 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tbf, thats what it was in Win8 and possibly earlier.
LoudMusic ยท 93 points ยท Posted at 17:48:02 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Correct - it was like that in Win7 as well. Prior to that you might have had to actually click in the Search field in the Start Menu, but it was still there.
tgp1994 ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 18:41:06 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And Vista, if I'm not mistaken...
sptn1gooz ยท 84 points ยท Posted at 19:25:33 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Chrome doesn't support Vista either, but I've been using Firefox and I think it still has some support going for it. If I remember correctly, it just updated a few days ago.
tgp1994 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:50:32 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have Vista on my "side" laptop that I use for random things. It always works when I need it to, ironically. Gave the machine an upgrade from 1GB to 2GB of RAM, that was like night and day!
Agreed. Amazing how easily Windows 7 and 10 stuck down the RAM.
tgp1994 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:30:01 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even my mom's computer with Windows 7 and 4GB of RAM is really struggling. She typically has no more than 3 tabs open in Firefox, Office Outlook and an instance or two of Word. Like, honestly, I can see how that would be a stretch for 2GB of RAM. But 4? I think there's been some pretty big software bloat especially over the last decade.
xyifer12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:23:27 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because shit drivers gave it a bad name and now people think it's a bad OS because of their experiences caused by other software?
Zefirus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:39:14 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Vista was and is fine. All of its problems were entirely with third parties. Hardware didn't have proper drivers, and OEMs put it on computers that didn't have high enough specs to support it.
If you just flat out deleted Windows Vista from existence and put Windows 7 in its place, it would have almost the EXACT same problems that Vista had.
This was part of it, but I think the bigger problem was that it was simply too reaource intensive for the majority of machines that had it installed from the factory. I never had any problems with Vista, I loved it to tell the truth. My friend with a Celeron laptop that came with Vista on the other hand? Not so much.
Zefirus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:54:45 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uh, I said that.
OEMs put it on computers that didn't have high enough specs to support it.
Basically intel started throwing their weight around and forced Microsoft to "approve" of low quality computers that could barely run it. That's what those "Designed for XP, Windows Vista Capable" logos were.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:17:19 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would make sense, but i thought the start menu search function was a separate application altogether?
Losicta ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:55:04 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which they copied from Mac OSX, iirc
radwic ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:38:31 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which was ripped from DOS, tbh
trznx ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 20:02:07 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not it's not. yes you can just press start and type, but Win7 has a field you can see when you press start. I started typing in w10 because I assumed it should be there and funnily enough it is, but it's hidden. In Win7 it's not hidden. Huge difference if you ask me, the people who won't try will never know there IS A SEARCH BAD in there
Considering the amount of time it takes indexing my files it would be nice if it could find some things. I guess I'm just grateful that searching in file explorer works so long as it's it a format Windows likes. I backup all my technical LibreOffice documents as .docx in an archive folder just to be able to search inside the documents and ever find things again. And I did do a few other hacks to try to bypass this step and make Windows think it was one of their precious Word documents, but to no avail.
alrf536 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:10:05 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is another setting. You have to enable Background Apps. Just the main switch, disable all the apps. I had the same problem as you and was about to give up until I found it. Now I can find programs again.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:14:24 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is part of the problem. Disabling background apps should notify you of the change or not disable it at all. Let the main disable be a regedit or gp edit.
It's profitable when it defaults to a web search on your own service and isn't preventing any users from buying your product. "fuckup" implies it was a mistake. This was on purpose.
For years I keep telling people to stop searching all over their screen for something to click on.
"Just hit the little flag button on your keyboard, then type the first word of what you want and wait a few seconds to see the results"
BUT the search is pretty shitty as shown in OP, since it often does not work for partial matches. Nevertheless I don't understand how you can claim it is malicious that they don't force you to click a search button. Why do you want the process to be MORE complicated?
[deleted] ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 19:16:09 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The search field doesn't even show, though, and web searches likely to try to sell you something pop up first. I don't think malice is exactly a leap.
Did you know that every iPhone or Mac does the same thing? It has a web search too when you use Spotlight. The only difference is that their search of the local computer isn't total hogshit, so you get the results you want before the web results.
I wouldn't be surprised if Android does the same thing, but I don't have one so I'm not sure.
Microsoft is just too incompetent to search the local computer in a reasonable amount of time, so you get web results instead.
I wouldn't be surprised if Android does the same thing
It do
tojoso ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:55:45 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Being forced to click a search button is different than showing a search bar with a blinking cursor indicating that you can start typing right away. It is not at all intuitive to just start typing when there is no visible text input box. It doesn't have to be more complicated, but it should be more clear and intuitive.
That's fair, for new users it is not intuitive. Microsoft probably felt that since this was the fourth major OS they've sold that offers this functionality (that's right, you have been able to do this since Vista), they could finally get rid of the training wheels.
tojoso ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:07:25 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An intuitive UI is not training wheels. That's like removing the X from the top of every window and saying "well you can still click the top right corner to close a window, it's been that way since Windows 95! When can we take these training wheels off?!"
I am always giving Apple a hard time "How was I supposed to know that holding Ctrl + Shift while swiping with 8 fingers was the secret password to unlock extra ammo?!"
If you disable cortana so web search is not on you cannot search in the start menu.
Demaun ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:40:23 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nopenopenope. You can still search apps and files much like Win7 without the bullshit that is Cortana. The bar is hidden until you start typing, though.
How?
In Regedit, find the registry key:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\Windows Search
Add the Windows Search key if it is not present.
In this key, add a DWORD value. name: "AllowCortana" data: 0
A restart is necessary for any change to take effect.
Here's another step-by-step that I just followed. Quickly tested, and this works sweet, just like searching in file explorer as opposed to Bing!:
Here is how you revert back to on-device Windows Search and disable Cortana:
Open up the Registry Editor by searching for โregeditโ in search field at the bottom of the screen. This will be the last time you use Cortana before waving her goodbye.
Click at the location bar, right underneath the toolbar, type in the following, and press Enter: Computer\HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows
From the toolbar, go to Edit: New: Key. You should see a blue border and a blinking cursor indicating a text input field to the left in the window; in the folder tree underneath the Windows folder.
Type in โWindows Searchโ in the selected field and press Enter to confirm.
From the toolbar, go to Edit: New: DWORD (32-bit) Value. You should see a blue border and a blinking cursor indicating a text input field to the right in the window.
Type in โAllowCortanaโ to this field and press Enter. Leave the keyโs default value (0) as-is.
Reboot your Windows device.
For reference, the end result in the Registry editor should look like the below screenshot:
You can still search without Cortana. The search button disappears but if you press the start button and start typing, it will pull up the search thing.
KolbStomp ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 18:21:14 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, I turned off Cortana and thought I lost the ability to search but then I accidentally pressed a button after opening the Start menu and it searched. I was confused at first but then I realized it was just horrible UI decisions.
fatalicus ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 18:39:32 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ever since windows vista, you have had the ability to just press the windows key and start typing to search.
Nothing has changed in windows 10, other than that they have added win+s for the cortana search.
No need to press any additional buttons after opening start. just click the start button (or windows key) and start typing.
[EDIT] corrected windows 7 to vista, since the windows key search was added then.
tojoso ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:58:32 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nothing has changed in windows 10, other than that they have added win+s for the cortana search.
Pretty sure in Windows 7 the text input box with a blinking cursor showed up as soon as you pressed the windows key, as opposed to Windows 10 where it only shows up once you start typing a word. To generations of people trained to only type when there's a text box active on the screen, this is highly unintuitive.
vitorgrs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:49:45 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, you did it wrong. You don't disabled Cortana then. You hide. To disable Cortana, you can go to Group Policy and fully disable it, or on Cortana settings, just sign-out of your account.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:52:47 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then include any folder like Program Files that you want to be found when you search with Windows. Whenever you search for something, it will look in those folders. I feel like it should index Program Files by default, but it doesn't.
jothki ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:53:11 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is that new to the FCU? I'm running an earlier version and can see the search button fine. It even changes to a magnifying glass instead of the Cortana logo.
I remember the magnifying glass but I don't have it anymore. I can't figure out how to get the magnifying glass back, but I'm sure the option is there. I'm running build 16299.
Solarbro ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 17:05:23 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This wonโt be all that helpful, but you can add a Windows Search value in the registry somewhere to replace Cortana. Iโd look it up but Iโm at work doing crap like this for clients.
A lot of Cortana and search item suggestions may not work anymore. It seems like they disable a work around per update. You used to be able to uninstall Cortana, now you canโt. Powershell warns you about โuninstalling essential OS materials is not allowedโ or some odd thing. Thatโs why I mostly do it through the registry, cause at least then it works. Until they do a big update and reset your OS registry values....
felio_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:16:37 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you have a pro version of windows, you can use the group policy editor to solve this. You need to disable(disallow) cortana and web search results.
You can find the settings in: Computer Configuration->Windows Components->Search. Set "allow cortana" to disabled and "Do not allow web search to "enabled".
pohuing ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:21:24 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is absolutely overkill. Just open the start menu and start typing, the search will come up even with cortana disabled
I never had Cortana cause I'm in NZ, and not a single issue people have in Windows 10 has affected me. I love the OS and really hate eveything before it.
SpcK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:53:28 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would be fine, but It also disabled the Start menu pinned apps, Which I really liked.
antabr ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:03:18 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Such a ridiculous interconnected weaving of settings. I just want my windows 7 search bar back!
jantari ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:13:50 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not interconnected in the slightest, he's either just trolling or messed up other settings too
I disabled Cortana but I think she still does the searches just doesn't talk
alrf536 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:13:40 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Posting for you too:
It is another setting. You have to enable Background Apps. Just the main switch, disable all the apps. I had the same problem as you and was about to give up until I found it. Now I can find programs again.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:09:58 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, I
Disabled Cortana, forced updates, location, one drive, etc etc
Fuck the cloud, stop shoving shit down my throat, I have a workflow that works most of these options just eat CPU or add extra steps to do the same fucking thing I always do.
ESPECIALLY in a corporate environment where every update wipes out my office settings, (fuck trust center too)
I disabled web searches/Cortana from day one of using Windows 8 and then 10. It was obvious to me from the start how much worse the search was with those enabled.
I don't know how some of you lasted this long with Cortana enabled.
frikin8 ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 17:13:13 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is a setting for that. Look for the "Disable web search results on a local computer" section for pictures. Just click on the search box, then select the settings cog to adjust search settings.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:23:45 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That must've been disabled in an update--"Cortana & Search Settings" is the same place in the 2nd link. :( Nothing at alll mentions "online" or "web results".
I disabled "Windows Cloud Search", but that seems to search mobile devices? I've disabled everything and I'm still getting web results.
Let me Google further. If I'm successful, I'll post back.
EDIT: Thank you for the screenshots, but that's not coming up for me. :( I'm on the Fall Creators Update, version 1709 via the Run "winver" command). Once I click "Settings", I get to this screen: https://prnt.sc/hfzfs4 I used to have that little menu built-into the Start Menu, but now it opens the full-fledged Settings app.
EDIT2: This .reg file worked, from TenForums, after merging the edit and restarting!
Ah, I'm on 1607. Not sure how that happened, I thought I was getting automatic updates.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:55:21 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, no worries. The rollout of the updates...is weird. I was waiting for the update and it came up after specifically tapping "Check for Updates"? I think /u/jenmsft said that should work now.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:50:26 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously. They make it seem like itโs so convienent, because itโs so difficult to use google right? And itโs useless anyway because it automatically uses bing
Worst part is, it often can't even be relied on to find regular old documents. I have a Word document where I keep baking recipes I tried and liked, it's sitting in a folder in "My Documents", and the search function is literally unable to find it, even when I type the exact file name ("recipes.doc"). I tried other files, and there are a bunch that apparently don't exist as far as the search function is concerned. I can browse to the correct folder and open the file just fine, but Windows search can't see them.
Not mention the opportunity for unwanted results, I was sharing my screen in a committee meeting with a client and wanted to spin a VM to show something, I hit WINKEY and typed Oracl and hit enter (Oracle VirtualBox), only I missed the C and it instantly open the web images results for "Oral", luckly nothing NSFW showed.
Youโve gotta turn off โsafe searchโ in bing to get to the fun stuff. Personally Iโm glad they have safe search. when you turn it off you get the filthiest browser in existence.
Donโt get me wrong, Iโm enjoying Windows 10. I think they did a fine job. Itโs just not exactly perfect, and theyโre trying so damned hard to expand their bing and store user base
Download 'everything' from ninite. You can also pair it with wox and get a decent spotlight clone.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:58:11 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I totally agree. I think Microsoft needs to quit pushing Microsoft Edge in our faces. I simply just want to search items in my computer, not search the web and or sure Edge to search the web with.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:22:03 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ya agreed, anything I type into the damn search bar to try and find something on my pc brings up internet searches of people asking where do they find the same thing on their pc... what's the God damn point of a search function if it's best use is to just inform me that no one else can find it on theirs either....
Seriously. Who thinks, I need to do a web search, let me go to cortana.
dohimer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:49:40 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
High jacking the top comment.
Has Microsoft said anything about fixing search?
toekneeg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:49:32 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unfortunately, most users of PCs are clueless and this probably benefits them more than the rest of us that actually know how to use a computer. This should be an option on Pro versions of Win10 at least.
It's been driving me crazy how I can search with the same exact terms, even for Microsoft Office programs, and one day it will work and the next it won't find anything.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:48:41 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That might be an issue with your search index. It either doesn't include the right folders or it is corrupt. Or the third option, maybe windows is just that bad.
I'd try rebuilding your search index, and look for what folders are included by default.
I understand what you said, but I don't knowhow to do that. However I could figure that out by searching. But not everyone has a background in software, and this is really softwaregore
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:11:59 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Okay so, quick and easy version (it is pretty simple, difficulty is another matter :)
Search for indexing options in start menu and open it.
or
Open your file browser.
In the address bar, type 'Control Panel' and hit enter.
Change the 'view by' selection to large or small icons.
Find indexing options and open it.
next
Click Modify
Click to expand the C drive folder
Make sure these have a check: ProgramData, Program Files, and Program Files (x86).
I get to "update" with "Check for Updates" as the result, once I add the s at the end, it suggests Java "Check for Updates" as Best Match, listing 5 other results, all Windows related update links under the heading "Settings"
All I can recommend is watch the results as you type each letter. If search displays your result after three letters but you donโt click it, it will assume thatโs not your result.
Itโs an attempt at a smarter search function. While the function lacks scope, it is an interesting concept. If people knew how it worked they would be less frustrated.
The idea is to make commonly used functions accesible more quickly. So, if you search for something starting with โAโ very frequently, but have hundreds of items that also start with โAโ the system will suggest the frequently clicked one earlier, lessening the time to get to that item.
Not sure why Iโm being downvoted. Iโve said multiple times now that it isnโt a complete concept, doesnโt work well in all cases. Iโm just explaining why search is like this.
If search displays your result after three letters but you donโt click it, it will assume thatโs not your result.
If true, that is an astonishingly stupid design.
zopiac ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:24:29 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It definitely seems to happen to me. Might be some sort of selection bias, but I'll watch as I type and halfway through I see my result, but by the time I get my fingers to stop typing it switches to something else and what I'm looking for is gone completely.
Itโs definitely incomplete. Itโs an interesting concept, though.
Gadsden ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:03:06 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I could maybe see that for online content matching, but there's no excuse for 'regedi' not matching regedit, but reged or regedit do. Sometimes, hitting backspace to remove a letter will show you what you're looking for.
[deleted] ยท 865 points ยท Posted at 15:32:50 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I swear "programs and features" didn't get me to the place to uninstall things the other week but I just checked since I was going to complain about it too and it works now so... Eh. Thanks to whomever for the stealth fix I suppose, lol.
Frank2312 ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 18:06:49 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Win+X shows up a menu near the Windows button. All those options can be accessed with a key.
For example, "Programs and Features can be accessed easily by pressing Win+X then F.
I don't know them all, but IIRC, control panel is P.
I put mine on the left side, so you're not the only weird one out there lol. It really threw off a tech at work one day when they had to fix something on my machine.
mavvv ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:44:54 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Uninstall" takes you to the apps and programs for u installing everything on a fresh os. If, however, you have any thing downloaded that has an Uninstall file with that word in it, search will then grab that forever and you can't just type Uninstall to find that anymore
Windows 7 search worked perfectly for me. How the fuck did they go and take something that worked as well as that and turn it into a completely useless steaming pile of shit. 90% of the time i use search in Windows 10 it doesn't work.
Dlgredael ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 18:17:40 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's more important to direct as many users as possible to online purchasable options for the 0.01% that will actually buy something from their start menu than it is to give a decent user experience to everyone else.
I think it's more to push people towards edge than it is to push them to the app store.
Deto ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:26:14 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Must have been feature creep. Bosses demanding "Oh, it should also search the internet and if they type in a football team it should bring up their win/loss record and if they type in something that relates to something in their email it should show the email and if it's a date it should show their calendar entry and ifitsa....."
All while losing site of the main useful way to use search....as a convenient application launcher!
kenpus ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:04:39 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Win7 also had pinned apps that could actually be accessed with Win, Down. Initial version of Win10 made it something like Win, Down, Right, Down. After the Anniversary Update, it's Win, Shift+Tab, Down. At this point I started to just mouse-click it, but fucking hell...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:02:38 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The classic shell start menu works exactly like windows 7 and looks integrated into the Windows 10 design.
chylex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:51:32 on December 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How the fuck did they go and take something that worked as well as that and turn it into a completely useless steaming pile of shit
They took calculator and broke decimal points in european locales. Still one of the most ridiculous findings I've had in Win10, leading me to immediately replace it with Win7 one.
HOW DID THEY MANAGE TO MAKE THE CALCULATOR WORSE
fatalicus ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:51 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
rebuild your search index. It has probably been fucked at some point.
Na. I've tried that. It's said index is up to date or whatever when I've attempted to update it. I could try to delete it and have it rebuilt from scratch? It literally works for nothing other than core commands. Like if i need control panel, or devices, or run, and maybe only 30% of programs. If it's not something I have pinned I often need to go to program files to find the .exe. But it will not find a file or folder the life of it. It defaults to the bullshit web search. It will NEVER find "the mayor's porn" folder, teentakesbigload.mp4, or anything along those lines.
mka696 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:05:08 on November 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've rebuilt my search index probably 30 times and it has never, ever worked in the slightest. Ever time I got a search issue I'd try it and zilch. I just switched to Classic Shell and that actually works.
This is partially because it customises the results to what you've selected in the past.
If you typed 'bluetooth' and selected a web search option (intentionally or otherwise) then it will put that option at the top of the search results. Similarly if you type 'blue' and selected the Bluetooth settings option.
This is why if it gives you a suggestion and you keep typing the same the suggestion can jump away to something else.
sbabster ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:27:27 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
save the below text in a text editor, then save as controlpanel.reg to anywhere locally, then run it. It will add the control panel to the right click context menu when you right click the desktop, above display settings and personalize, and even includes the icon:
The nice workaround is that you can open the start menu and still no not find it manually. So even though search is slow as hell, it's still faster than using the start menu.
I installed the Everything search tool.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:08:56 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
psivenn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:52:21 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Control Panel sometimes brings it up but half the time it lists the joysticks and gamepads Control Panel first, with the same name but a little joystick icon.
Nvidia Control Panel seems to hide itself entirely from search 90% of the time when I update the drivers...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:01:48 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
protip for nvidia control panel just right click on the desktop and its in the context menu
Cannot confirm, I tried control panel and several control panel options and they all showed up.
Same for the tablets I use for work, some bugged versions of windows, or updates maybe? Who knows.
xW4RP ยท 2274 points ยท Posted at 13:45:48 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I see everybody saying this is because regedit isnโt supposed to show up unless you know what youโre looking for and all that, but this regularly happens to me when looking for things that arenโt potentially system destroying.
I really dislike that my OS gets to decide what I can look up in the search. It is annoying and that search fonction is, IMHO, really bad most of the time
Yep really ! I didn't realised that until I installed my first GNU/Linux distro, where you have all the freedom you could dream of.
I think it would be cool if all the schools presented all the OSs that exist instead of just Windows.
Anyway, if anyone reading that is into computer and have some free time, I'd reccomend you to install a Linux distro, it is really fun and you can learn a lot of stuff about computers!
[deleted] ยท 77 points ยท Posted at 16:05:09 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
University will absolutely expose you to Linux, at least if you're taking any subject that touches on computer science.
My high school was using Linux on every machine in 1995. It was ready for the desktop then and it's ready now. The problem is the inertia in people to keep using what is familiar instead of being brave and trying something new.
Actually, it's the other way round: For most people, there's no reason for running Windows (except that it's preinstalled). ChromeOS and Ubuntu/Fedora/Debian/... can run Facebook and email just fine.
That's pretty subjective. I'd argue that most people will be fine with Libre/Caligra Office or Google Docs. Perhaps many of them won't even notice a difference.
Well for some people the reason can be the price or the need to protect their privacy. I had a teacher who was really bad at IT but she used a Ubuntu distro.
But yeah for most people there is no difference, they just keep using Windows because it's what they're used to
[deleted] ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 17:50:33 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Pixelgin ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:43:41 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well people already do do that. Redhat/CentOs are huge in the corporate environment. A ton of business applications run on, and are built for Linux.
From a desktop users point of view, applications are written for where the money is. The consumer market for Linux is tiny so there's not a whole lot of money to be made. Likewise Linux users go crazy if something isn't open source which makes the ability to sell them closed sourced software even harder. To be frank it's not really worth it.
For gaming Linux might be a more realistic platform in the near future. Microsoft really gimped other platforms via DirectX. If vulkan actually takes off you should see a lot more cross platform titles.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:57:35 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Maxdec94 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:11:42 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
OS is almost there, but hardware... not so much. Macs just don't have the power to play AAA titles on full graphics. Also the fact that you can't upgrade the hardware, so the only way would be to run Hackintosh on a PC and that can have lots of problems depending on the hardware being used etc.
I set up a Hackintosh machine few years ago (second PC with Q6600), it worked for 2 days and then kernel panicked out of nowhere. Didn't boot after that and I couldn't be bothered to start figuring out the issue because I had just fiddled with kext files for many hours to even get the video card working (it showed only half the picture, the top bar was at the middle of the screen and the dock etc went way outside of the bottom), so I just installed Windows back.
Pixelgin ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:28:40 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sort of. I actually exclusively use MacOs and Linux at home. They're pretty diffent. In regards to games Macs have very few major titles available. The majority are older games, and of those most of them run on OpenGL which works on both Linux and Mac. That API isn't very efficient and leads to poor performance. Apple's preferred API is metal which offers way better performance, but is exclusive to MacOs.
Metal is rarely implemented in games, and even when it is it tends to be buggy. I play quite a few Blizzard games on my Mac, and those all list Metal as Beta (even though it's been out for a bit) and you get some graphical bugs through using it.
Macs have definitely solved the consumer market issue (to an extent. It's still small) that Linux has. However MacOs isn't open source and the insistence on OSS isn't a demand of their consumer base.
xxkid123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:04:21 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Likewise I don't see the Mac gaming market expanding easily in the future. Computer gamers tend to gravitate towards either towards prebuilts with big numbers or custom rigs. Apple has always marketed itself around providing exceptional built quality and reliability. They would need to compete on price and raw numbers to beat out the prebuilt desktop market, which is dominated by behemoth glowing machines marketed specifically to gamers.
I could see it growing if Apple stuck a new CPU and an AMD 580/Vega 56 in the Mac pro chassis, and then sold it at a competitive price to gamers (whereas prosumers using it for production care much less about value), but I highly doubt apple wants to compete on price.
Pixelgin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:21:20 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The problem with AMD is the TDP. Apple likes small and sleek. That design isn't great for heat dissipation, and AMD GPUs tend to run pretty hot. I recently built a hackintosh in a streacom DB4 chassis. I wanted an AMD card for native support, but had to pass on it since there was no way I could adequately cool the cards.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:02:22 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Pixelgin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:17:27 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For a comparison of big titles go to Steam and compare windows top sellers to Mac. Most of the games listed are either not too popular or older.
I've got nothing against older games. I frequently play them. A good chunk of people who identify as gamers though want to play the latest and greatest. Until you start to see more of an overlap between top games between windows and Mac I would hesitate to recommend it for anyone interested in games. At the very least it would need to have proper attention given for metal implementation.
Even though I like metal I think Apple would have been better off supporting vulkan along with windows and Linux.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:04:07 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Con confirm. Work at an MSP. Roughly 90% RHEL, 5% other Linux/Unix distros and 5% Windows installed on ~10.000 hosts.
bHarv44 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:08:05 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I remember correctly, back around 2006-2008ish Dell tried this with Ubuntu (hell maybe they still do, I donโt know). They had great drivers and support for laptops/desktops and advertised it as a cheaper alternative - thinking it was around $100 less than their Windows counterpart. Problem was, it didnโt feel as familiar and people still bought Windows machines because the price was justifiable if they were already spending $500+.
Would have been great if it would have taken off but it was just too โout of the normโ for your general users.
Side note: Iโve seen a massive amount of adoption with Chromebooks and your basic users (mostly driven by the cheap prices). At least itโs something of an alternative to Windows-based everything I guess?!
While I agree, I'd also argue that, for most people, there's no reason not to use linux for a desktop environment. Unless you're gaming, or have a specific need for software that is explicitly made for Windows, most users wouldn't run into any more issues than they would in a typical Windows environment. Most hardware works out of the box, and mainstream distros are far more user-friendly than they get credit for.
I work IT. its a gigantic pain in the ass to fix linux desktop issues (which happen just as frequently if not more frequently than windows issues.) windows desktop issues i will eventually get it working if given enough time
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:44:41 on November 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I personally use a Mac, but I write software that runs on Linux servers that people on any OS can use through the browser. We no longer live in a world where you can be anything other than a platform agnostic if you want to get ahead in IT.
alienith ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 16:25:07 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think I did any windows-specific programming when I was at my university. Even my operating systems course pretty much just talked about Linux (or rather POSIX systems). When you first start with computers and programming, Windows seems standard and everything else seems like the odd-ball. The more you learn, the more you realize that everything else is standardized, and windows is the complete oddball.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:45:08 on November 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Windows is bloody weird. Sometimes in good ways, sometimes in ways that only make any sense at all with a lot of historical context.
Well that's what I thought, but after two year in a french university (Debian on all the computers) I moved to Canada and in my class, nobody had ever used Linux! (they did a 2 years IT diploma just like me)
Well maybe it's just pure luck but they all did only Microsoft stuff (.NET, C#,...) on Windows. So during the labs I'm the only one booting Linux on the school computers.
But once again maybe it's just luck, and I'm not saying that everybody should use Linux: just that people should know what exists and then make a choice
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:16:59 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:46:32 on November 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As mentioned, Debian Buzz, and before that I think Slackware, though I wasnโt there at the time. By grade 12 in 2000 I was helping with deploying diskless PXE boot to the machines.
It was an exciting time. Far more fun for a learning IT nerd than windows would have been. We had Blender on the desktops as our art class in 99.
I'd disagree with that first paragraph. Seems like a gross over simplification. I've taken VB.NET and some PLC programming and never touched Linux
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:42:40 on November 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, if youโre still in the university environment, Iโd definitely recommend you get some exposure. Microsoft treats Linux as a first class citizen these days on the server side - witness the Linux subsystems for Windows, Docker support, Linux on Azure, MS SQL server for Linux, etc.
Not really. Linux distributions have been really good for years - the problem is there is zero software for Linux, at least nothing useful.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:43:45 on November 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The definition of software is changing from desktop applications to browser apps. Those run fine on Linux in the same browser youโd use on any other platform. Office and games are the only things missing; for many people that is no longer a deal breaker.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:08 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was ready for the desktop then and it's ready now. The problem is the inertia in people to keep using what is familiar instead of being brave and trying something new.
was the original post I replied to. Note the use of the word 'desktop'. I am well aware that the internet is powered by linux farms but for the average Joe who wants a DESKTOP computer, there is no software for them, or not enough to make them switch from Windows or OSX, even if they wanted to.
Yeah, bullshit. X barely functioned in 1995 on Linux, and many of us (such as me) were patching the kernels at that point in time, just to make networking or other absolute basic things function. I'd believe you if you'd picked any other Unix like system in existence, but Linux, in 1995, wasn't being used by pretty much anybody who wasn't a kernel or other systems-level hacker - because at that point you had to be just to get it to boot on hardware outside of what Linus himself had.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:48 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I too built the kernel on boxes where it took eight hours. Nevertheless, if you were smart and bought hardware specifically for compatibility rather than whatever was cheap at your local store, you could get XFree86 working really really well even in โ95.
I swear to god it was on a hundred computers across a high school with a 10mb LAN in 1996. Floppy disk booting to read-only root on NFS, X, Netscape 3. Debian Buzz. Custom kernel with a RAM disk built for just those machines. It was great, and itโs the reason why Iโm a senior cloud engineer now.
Though I like Linux distributions and I use them sometimes, I can't stand some pieces of software like LibreOffice/OpenOffice when compared to the "real thing."
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:01 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Theyโre usable. Just like how Google Docs is usable. I too prefer Word.
I love linux, my problem was that it wasn't great for gaming. And I'm not talking about the selection of games, I'm talking about hardware support. I couldn't get things like my drive bay LCD screen working, or anything to do with RGB. There's only one program in the whole world of linux that can measure temps, lm-sensors, and if it doesn't support your chipsets, you're SOL. Same goes for fan speeds. And the graphics drivers always seemed like they were 2 steps behind - while nvidia in Windows was just getting support for "fast" lag-free v-sync, nvidia in Linux just got the ability to let you change the default anti-aliasing settings - that sort of thing.
Yeah gaming on Linux is very limited right now, and any support of modern hardware support of Nvidia graphic chips and optimus architecture is difficult. Though I really hope it gets better with time.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:05:33 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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jantari ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:19:17 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That heavily depends on the exact kernel version you're running. Until 4.13 (which is not gonna be in any LTS distro), my bog-standard Realtek wired Gigabit Ethernet chip wasn't supported. L M F A O @ not supporting every possible ethernet chip in 2017, as if there's more than 3 manufacturers - that was pretty embarrassing.
Yeah that's the only think I thought of. My phrasing isn't good on this one. There is also issues with some distros on modern laptops. But yeah "modern" is definitely not right I'll correct it
Multi-head / multi-video-card display setups range anywhere from "extremely difficult" to "nigh impossible". Modern distributions no longer work on systems with Nvidia Quadro. High-DPI systems are basically fux0red, even more so if you have a mix of High-DPI and standard displays. Sound hardware support is basically like revisiting 1990, if even that.
If it's hardware that a server would use, or a mobile device, you're probably in good shape.
okmkz ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:24:27 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
indie gaming on Linux is pretty great, steam makes it really easy
yeah but that's when you have your nvidia drivers installed and correctly configured. On some distro it is really difficult. But yeah I enjoyed some KSP, darkest dungeon, ... Games on linux
okmkz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:40:42 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I guess that's probably more of an issue with laptops, I buy cards that have known Linux support and never have an issue
Oh ok, I thought AMD was more supportive for Linux platforms, so I imagined you got an AMD
okmkz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:50:02 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've had it for a few years and AMD has definitely improved in the meantime. When it comes time to upgrade in another year or so I'll definitely check out their lineup
henryroo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:18:41 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, these days AMD has a high-quality fully open source driver stack, so their cards work perfectly right out of the box in Linux for the most part. Nvidia refuses to release open source drivers, so there are two different sets: their proprietary drivers (which usually work well, but can be weird in various ways and aren't kept up to date automatically) or the open source drivers that the community has reverse-engineered, which aren't as good.
Until Nvidia starts supporting open source, I'll just be buying AMD.
jantari ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:17:12 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Steam is not FOSS though and you don't own the games so you might as well run it under Windows and enjoy the full selection of games
okmkz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:19:19 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't see how that was even implied, but you're right. I don't want to run windows because I like using Linux. I don't mind non-libre games, however.
Actually, support of Nvidia and Optimus is quite good right now, just that it doesn't work out of the box and, well, the information how to configure it properly is hard to find (and most people on the internet have no clue, so they give you answers that don't work).
But yes, the software support is there, just nobody cares that it takes a good week to set it up if you don't already have the knowledge and get unlucky.
Ok I didn't know it was ok. I tried when I was on Debian (not the best for that I'll admit it) and I just couldn't get it working, after countless crashes of the X server :)
But I'm curious how you managed to make it work (I'm obviously not asking an in-depth explanation, just the idea) because I was directed to Bumblebee but the software is not maintained anymore
Yeah, when I first installed Debian I just gave up trying to get the Nvidia card to work. I didn't get X crashes though, so maybe there's a bug related to your setup specifically.
I don't remember what exactly I did last time when I installed bumblebee, but roughly what worked on Debian Jessie:
Remove anything related to nouveau drivers from your system. They don't work with Optimus, and their configs fuck up X, causing optirun to exit with really strange error messages.
Install bumblebee-nvidia, not bumblebee and then bumblebee-nvidia. Mismatched configs again.
Optionally install primus.
If optirun/primusrun still don't work, there's likely some leftover config file that you have to remove (and possibly recreate), and then reinstall Bumblebee so it generates its own configs correctly. It didn't happen for me on a fresh installed system.
BTW, don't bother visiting forums, and take advice from stackoverflow-like sites with grain of salt. They're clueless and repeat the same answers that worked for someone but obviously don't work in general. ArchWiki is helpful, but it answers maybe 50% of the questions I had.
Well, the nouveau driver is supposed to have limited support of Optimus (without Bumblebee installed, otherwise it conflicts). Supposed, it seems that programs get the OpenGL 2 context from the Intel card no matter what I do.
Having been a Linux user for more than 20 years at this point, I hate Linux with a passion now. Add on top of that, that there's not a single machine in my house, of which we have about a dozen, that it actually works right on.
GNU is more likely to work on Windows than on Linux now.
SathedIT ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:55:02 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Funny enough... I have the exact opposite experience...
aliniazi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:49:59 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm just sitting here with my windows 7. Don't look at me im and old man apparently.
I love the idea of open source software, but the zealous community is disgusting to deal with, it's very limited in innovation (a lot of software wouldn't have half the functionality if it's proprietary counterpart didn't introduce the idea) and has too much draw the rest of the fucking owl about it.
Also I don't want to learn a lot of stuff about computers, I want computers to make my life easier, and as much as I dislike microsoft and apple, their convenience still trumps the things I have to give up by not using an open source based system.
But the free software community is (i think i'm not a pro) not always zealous
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:05:45 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's great that you found an OS that suits you as a user. Whenever I see people complain that an OS doesn't do X, I suggest Linux. Make it however you want it to be.
I am a very lazy person. I also am decent with finding my own answers to things or dealing with how things work. Win10 is fine for me. I like the homogenized OS environment. Someone has likely had my issue before and aside from a few hardware/software differences I can bet that the solution is at least somewhat relevant. I dislike Linux because I don't want to solve problems constantly. That and I game. Linux probably has some application that can run Windows in a virtual machine but why add more to the Rube Goldberg machine that is the PC.
I'm sorry, what's a backhanded compliment ? (am not english)
10art1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:19:18 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are there any Linux-based OSs that look and feel like Windows 7? I really like Windows 7 but it's going to be obsolete one day and I don't have high hopes for Microsoft at this point.
The fun thing with Linux distros is that they don't have a look. they come with a default DE (desktop environment), which is their look, but you can install an other one later, and some are made to look like Windows.
However, the feel will be different. You don't install software the same way, ...
unampho ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:46:13 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep ! I use Windows for gaming and some softwares, and Linux for all the fun and programming (and some games as well)
Although it works just fine, some Windows updates broke my boot on the past. I just had a black screen with nothing when booting. It is very unlikely it happens to you but it's an outcome you mist considerif you wanna make a dual boot.
What is your problem with your dual boot ? I'd be happy to help if I can.
Amj161 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:12:40 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cool! That's basically what I'm trying to do but my laptop is being uncooperative...
My main issue is that when I install Linux, it installs fine and boots fine. But as soon as I reopen windows, it kills my grub boot manager and I can't boot into Linux again. Not sure how or why this is happening, but windows isn't playing nice
But you actually are free to change to a desktop environment to find one that fits your need. And if you don't find one, you can tweak an existing one or create your own (if you're talented)
By free I didn't mean that everything is done easily, I meant that you have the freedom to customize as you will (but yeah it takes time)
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:38:42 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Intel has dropped support for Win7 on 7th gen processors so you may run into driver issues depending on how modern the computer is - especially if you have integrated Intel graphics.
DHermit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:46:25 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can't use some features like WSL and I think DirectX 12 (please correct me, if I'm wrong).
The 32bit version is always not able to detect more than 4GB of RAM, no matter what version you have.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:48:40 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I use both 7 and 10 on a daily basis, and always install 7 wherever possible, it's just so much better. Really annoyingly though, it is getting harder and harder. The main issue is drivers, if you've got a piece of hardware that doesn't have W7 drivers, you're out of luck. I couldn't get any W7 drivers for any of my laptop's trackpads... so I'm forced to use 10.
On the desktop front you've got a much better chance, all my desktops run 7. If you don't have any USB 2 ports you need to bundle the USB 3 drivers into the Windows installation, or you won't be able to go through the installation, because you won't be able to use your keyboard and mouse.
Microsoft has starting feeding us some bullshit that newer intel CPUs arent compatible with 7, this is horseshit, I'm typing this on an i5 8400 running 7 right now.
Also, I got an Asrock motherboard for this desktop, and had no trouble getting all the W7 drivers for the lan/wireless/sound from the Asrock site when I was setting up. But now - there's no sign of them at all, it looks like they've been removed. So the tide is against you, we're all being forced onto 10 and it fucking pisses me off.
mungu ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:21:11 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Microsoft tried to cut off support to skylake CPUs in windows 7, but reversed that policy. I bet they will try it again with newer gen intel CPUs.
Also Windows 7 is in extended support right now (i.e. security updates only). Come 2020 it will be fully out of support
This is also a blessing, less crap to sort through when it comes time for the monthly updates; you just have to hide maybe one or two telemetry updates that re-enabled themselves, and you're good to go.
As long as the modern machine has drivers available for 7. If it was released with 8 or 10, it very well might not. Without proper drivers installed, the computer will be worse than before.
Found this out last night: 7 can't support more than 8000~ pixels in either direction. In other words you can't have three 4K monitors, or in my case 1080p and 1440p monitors and a 4K TV. It's actually a limitation of dx10 that 7 is built on, so Microsoft can't do much to fix it. If you have that many pixels Aero will crash, but the system will still work, you just lose window preview and all those improvements since windows xp
Edit for accidentally posting before I finished typing
I actually went back to 8.1 recently and even that seemed like a revelation. Sure it still has that half-baked "some settings are here in the modern UI control panels, and some are not" BS but search at least seems significantly more dependable and the whole system felt far more peppy overall.
Honestly there's some great ideas in Windows 10 but I'm just sick of feeling like fighting it all the time to stop doing things you don't want.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:06:48 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh please OSx is far faaar worse in that regard. I've got to go through hoops just to install software that apple can't "identify" Heck I had an issue with iTunes where I couldn't update it nor could I uninstal it. Which is crazy, iTunes refused to uninstall itself I had to find a program online to do it
Yeah, I wasn't comparing it to osx, I was comparing it to previous versions of windows.
bHarv44 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:58:32 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just like the brilliance of โAllow Windows to manage your default printerโ. Holy shit Iโd like to punch the guy that created that useless โfeatureโ.
I remember the days of typing a letter in the search and watching as Windows pulled up literally every file and folder that had that letter in it. It'd take hours, too.
fatalicus ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 18:26:35 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean today?
Cause I opened search, entered "a", and it has now been searching for 5 minutes (and still going) and has found 166k files so far.
Everything from wow64_microsoft-windows-a..ence-mitigations-c3_31bf3856ad364e35_10.0.16299.15_none_39650f0297cfd3a0 in the C:\Windows\WinSxS folder, too a003.png in a folder that i will not name ehem.
Svelemoe ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:18:31 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Download Search Everything. Literally finds every single file and folder with "a" instantly. Also searches file extensions.
Default Windows 10 (and 8.1 and 8 and 7) will exclude ProgramData, AppData, Windows and CSC from search results, since most users have no reason to find anything in those folder so results from them will just be clutter.
If you want to search in these folders as well, just open the Indexing Options (search for indexing) and then remove the exclusions.
Koutou ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:15:32 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good tips. Another one I like is to manually create shortcut in %appdata%\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs for portable software so they show up in the start menu.
Sorry I didn't mean to offend you. It's just that I don't really like Windows update. One time the update erases my linux partition and erases the boot sector, making the computer unbootable, and the rest of the time it just consumes my Internet when I need it the most !
Sorry I didn't mean to offend you. It's just that I don't really like Windows update. One time the update erases my linux partition and erases the boot sector, making the computer unbootable, and the rest of the time it just consumes my Internet when I need it the most !
Sorry I didn't mean to offend you. It's just that I don't really like Windows update. One time the update erases my linux partition and erases the boot sector, making the computer unbootable, and the rest of the time it just consumes my Internet when I need it the most !
Sorry I didn't mean to offend you. It's just that I don't really like Windows update. One time the update erases my linux partition and erases the boot sector, making the computer unbootable, and the rest of the time it just consumes my Internet when I need it the most !
As much of a windows hater as I am(and I barely use it, unless I'm specifically booting my pc for LoL, MySQL or msvc stuff). this is just because the search function from the start menu is not a filesystem wide search for any file recursively starting at / (or c:/ in Windows) that contains, *searchterm*. (*=wildcard). That takes much longer. From my personal experience (I obviously don't have the source code for the search/cortana package) It searches through certain predefined directories, installed applications, and then predefined search terms bring up certain results.
Ie, from what I can tell, If you search up "Poop" it will search my docs(and other commonly used folder), then look for applications installed with the name *poop*, then check if poop is a string known to windows (like "control panel") and Display the results. Something like "control pane" is just probably not added as a "known search term".
Searching everything recursively to get any possible matching results is slow. Our 2nd term c++ project does this, and the difference between searching a whole fs and a few directories is night andday. Searching from / for "a" takes hours, searching from /media/user/code takes 0.28 seconds. Tbf, we don't run our compilers with optimization enabled, but still.
Edit:my knowledge of markup sux,and in mobile. Sorry.
You can actually do a fs wide search for anything, from within file explorer (not sure how in Windows, find in Linux) or powershell.
The OS isn't deciding what shows up. For programs the search only really considers what links it has from the Start Menu, as well as Control Panel/Settings. "regedi" doesn't match to anything on the Start Menu so there is no suggestion. When you type "regedit" in full then search recognises that's a valid command and gives it as an option - it doesn't actually know what that program is, it just knows that something will run. If OP wanted it to recommend the registry editor earlier then they should make a link to it.
Only because you're computer literate and/or not an idiot. Neither of those things is actually the default state for the majority of the population, let alone the majority of users. Ask any sysadmin.
Right. The user doesn't need to see everything unless he wants or need to, I totally agree.
But the problem with this kind of search is that it doesn't always display program that are installed and should be accessible by any user. So the only solution is to browse the files or create a shortcut on the desktop.
Actually I use Windows rather casually so I'm a basic user in that sense.
And I also find it really slow. If you're looking for a file, it takes ages ! Compared to Unix-like commands like find, I find it uncomfortably long.
[deleted] ยท 126 points ยท Posted at 15:21:48 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"VMWare" doesn't show up in search, I have to go into applications and scroll down.. wtf?
Edit: I've started using a search utility called "Everything" and I've been having good results with it. Especially at finding documents really quickly. It has a cache database of your filesystem it filters. I have Windows search index enabled and it still can't return results as fast.
JJakc ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:10:29 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you know if its poosible to bind it to windows+s or another hotkey? I have this programme too but its a little annoying to double-click on the tray icon when i want to search.
Try AutoHotkey ("#" is the Windows key in AutoHotKey-scripts, so I mapped it to Windows+S - but you could also map it just to the Windows-Key by deleting the "s"):
Just installed that. Very slick integration with the OS! I'll give it a go.
fanboat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:02:52 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I started using everything recently, and I like it so far, too. If you know a file name, you can type that name in and it will tell you where that file is. God knows why Microsoft thinks this is a niche function. It's nice being able to search my own files like google rather than like reddit search.
mka696 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:01:51 on November 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd suggest trying Windows Classic Shell as well. Brings back the Windows 7 or XP start menu and the search is amazing. I could never go back to the Windows 10 start menu
My favorite is when you expect search to not work but it does (sort of). If I'm searching for a program, sometimes search will show the program before I finish typing (havent tried it with Steam but if I typed something like Ste for example) and then when I finish typing the full name the program disappears from the search
lydocia ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 17:41:38 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hijacking to say this is most annoying with dxdiag.
lillgreen ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:32:43 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe they just do it to make Win32 inconvenient. Bc it's fine at searching shit that aren't .exe's. There's no way after 4 feature updates they couldn't 'figure it out'. It's working as designed.
100% I have text files handy that I need and they literally do not show up in the results until the first letter of the second word is typed! "Network P...."
regularly happens to me when looking for things that arenโt potentially system destroying.
Well they too are system destroying!
In all seriousness though have you tried running the search troubleshooter? For some odd reason some installations get fucked up and the troubleshooter sorts it out. Others run "botnet" disabling scripts and that also fucks with things, but I generally assume they won't be posting on a subreddit dedicated to a "botnet". Or there are little weird issues like disabling the main "Background Apps" toggle fucks with searches.
Blawdfire ยท 63 points ยท Posted at 16:04:07 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In 12 years of using Microsoft products, I've not once had a Windows troubleshooter fix a problem for me. Just ran the search troubleshooter and it did nothing for me.
xW4RP ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 16:15:47 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I swear MS troubleshooters are built to tell you six different ways to not fix your problem.
The network troubleshooter at least deserves a little credit. Works like 90% of the time. Sure, all it's doing is saving me a few clicks to enable/disable the network adapter, but it does technically do its job.
That's odd. At the very least it should point you into the right direction. I've had to use WU troubleshooter a couple of times in the past and they've solved that mess.
regedit isnโt supposed to show up unless you know what youโre looking for
If you type "regedi", you know what you're looking for.
zopiac ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 18:22:34 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if I'm looking for documents pertaining to my aunt, Regedine??
ameoba ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:04:02 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's nothing about the effects of that application, it's that the Start Button search dialog only searches programs with start menu entries. It clearly wasn't intended to search all executables that may be in the path unless you typed out the full name.
Let's compare this to everyone's darling, Windows XP. For starters, there was no search for start menu items - you had to pour of the list visually to find it. After going over everything twice, just to make sure you didn't miss anything, you then had to abort what you're doing and pull up a separate dialog to run a command.
If you're smart enough to know what regedit is, why aren't you using the proper mechanism for starting it? Win+R still pulls up the "Run" dialog.
More annoying. I search for something, the result shows up below in "other results" but the top suggested one is some web search bull shit or store link.
I want to WinKey+type+Enter my most used programs.
Most annoying. The result shows up at the top while I'm typing, and just before I click on it some other result jumps to the top, resulting in me clicking the wrong result.
The search bar often doesnโt want to find anything for me and it will be like, โuh search bing?โ
OSXโs search isnโt perfect but at least it knows what programs I have installed and quickly finds files. I did notice though after installing word on my Mac that if I search for pages it will find word instead.
Rosetti ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:18:33 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, this happens to me at work when I try to open Outlook. I usually have to type the whole word before it pops up - but I could swear it's intermittent. With some apps it works fine, and with others it sucks.
jeff_fan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:43 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would make sense if the problem only happened on the Desktop OS. Windows server 2016 has the same problem, where daily you may have to go into dangerous settings.
Well. It's built for the lowest common denominator with the expectation that if you are a power user you will know exactly what to type. Even with things that are not system destroying you wouldn't exactly want grandma to change the color scheme to gray and start freaking out if she has one of those virus thingys.
Windows 7 and 8 both do it too. There are a bunch of tools that windows treats like that, and i agree with what other people are saying it can be somewhat damaging if you don't know what you are doing with it.
I've been using some version of Windows or another since 3.11 and I have never, in the entire time I've used it, had any implementation of their search function be useful. I lost a couple of Diablo 2 hardcore characters during the Win2000/XP days because searchindexer.exe would suddenly fire up in the background and lag me at a critical moment. It's always baffled me how consistently, for decades now, MS's search function manages to consume so many system resources and still remain utterly useless for its intended purpose. They've had over twenty years to get this right and it's still just as much of a disaster as it was when I started working in this field.
windows 10 search is the most inconsistent function that i ever had the displeasure of using . you can have 2 computers with the exact same hardware and both freshly imaged with the exact same image ,will return very different results when you search for the word "printer" , its infuriating, since search is my go to ever since the start menu disaster .
Can acces android studio, but not Visual studio. Still wanna know why.
Muezza ยท 72 points ยท Posted at 17:22:08 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like when I type something halfway and it shows up and I go up to click it and a second before I hit the button the result updates to some random ass dll file.
algag ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:57:42 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting. Recently, I was searching for something and in between me seeing what I wanted and my pressing enter, it changed. However, it still opened what I wanted, not what was highlighted.
DonzaMac ยท 347 points ยท Posted at 13:59:18 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Try searching for Bitlocker if you type the whole word it will show no results but if you type bitlocke you will get Bitlocker.......
[deleted] ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 15:34:10 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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jonesRG ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:53:25 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This fucking shit started like last week! I have several output cards for different devices so this gets typed in a lot. It is shit. Searching should not require finesse
It always results in sound recorder for me, the only way to get the "Sound" option is to incorrectly type "Sound" try "Saund" or "Souind" I shit you not.
vitorgrs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:58:24 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
DonzaMac ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:09:58 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They must have fixed it. 3 months ago I rolled out 400 windows 10 laptops and had to enable Bitlocker on every one and none of them found Bitlocker in Search. Anyway it was faster to not search the whole word anyway.
teraflux ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:34:49 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They probably had an image they used plus additional software for certain users.
Where I worked we couldn't just update images when needed, we had to get authorized with a good amount of red tape (US gov't). We'd have to resort to installing shit on every PC on certain rollouts. "Why not have it just get pushed to the pcs after getting on the network?" Our push application, can't remember the name since it was a few years ago, but it was shitty af and wouldn't work sometimes. Fun times.
teraflux ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:11:42 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What about saving a .bat file on a share somewhere and launching that post install?
But the guy above typed the whole thing and got nothing
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:05:41 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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vitorgrs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:00:58 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So is it an issue with the search function (yes), or is it an issue with consistency? (yes).
Well, kinda neither. How search works, since 8 at least, it's to try to see which apps you search and open most. So he result will always be different.
DonzaMac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:30:26 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For me it would only show when I typed bitlocke and nothing shorter or longer would work. It was on 400 devices every single one. That was 3 months ago and it works now so they must have fixed it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:01:21 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:47:47 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Awesome man, Its ridiculous, I am not programmer or anything, but I would assume, that this should be the most basic feature to get right if you can create this fantastically complicated OS that can handle, media decode high res images, run complex processes but you cant handle finding files in a database? Tin foil hat on I would almost say its purposefull so you can get o there and use Cortana more instead somehow
Pro tip, for some stupid reason Program Files and Program Files(x86) aren't part of the search index. You need to manually add them in windows 10, and then wait a bit for the index to rebuild to be able to type in applications and have it find them
Thanks. But, no, just no. What needs to happen is Microsoft getting their act together on basic functionality. Search is beyond ridiculous at this point. And preview options on files are also stuck somewhere in the middle ages for some reason.
jakegt1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:30:07 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I always found that the windows 8 search was really good, never had any problems with it
asm8086 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:22:59 on November 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i seriously can't wrap my head around how incredibly bad the search function of windows 10 (and 8) is.
That's bullshit. Windows 10 search is awful, but Windows 8's search was by far the best and fastest in any Windows version. I could type one or two letters and find any program and setting instantly. It was much better than Windows 7's.
But they ruined the search experience in Windows 10 by moving from the native rendering of the Windows 8 Metro Start Screen to an XAML-based clunky Start Menu/Screen hybrid of Windows 10. That's when the search really started to suck.
This is because windows doesn't add a lot of directories to the search index or else you will get 100s of unrelated files. Remember the old days when searching for 1 file took like 10 minutes.
I frequently get the opposite. I type like three letters of the word, and it pulls it up right away. But, if I type one more letter, the suggestions disappear and I have to type the entire fucking thing.
algag ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:04:23 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In my understanding, it will assume that if you continue typing x much after a suggestion appears, that you don't want whatever had appeared. Great idea imo, very poor execution right now.
It would be great in Chrome, for example, in some cases. If I want 192.168.0.1:9999, I'd have to move my hands or type the whole thing out, even if 192.168.0.1:999 has been highlighted for 6 characters already.
From what I've seen, it sometimes depends on which patch of Windows 10 you are on. From 1703 and on, since they are really pushing the newer windows 10 settings menu, everything control panel related seems impossible to find in search.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:22:12 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Network settings, just beyond belief. How they even thought of putting that into metro is unbelievable.
Most of the control panel items are now 3-4 weird and wonderful clicks away
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:44:34 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man.
I don't even have a devices and printers.
Devices shows up and Printers and Scanners shows up.
But I can't get devices and printers no matter what I type
Sezhe ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:23:26 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I get the exact same. I think it's part of their bullshit redesign forcing you to open another window and then click a link to open the old, more functional window that you're after.
Eg - Programs and Features. Have to go into Apps & Features, then click to open Programs and Features. Never had to a few versions ago. W7 you can type "pro fea" and get it, not in W10 though ....
HOW DID YOU DO THAT? I just typed "devices and printers" into my start menu right now, and I get nothing.
Solarbro ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:06:50 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Itโll MAYBE start showing up if you manually go to control panel then to devices and printers, and do it a few times. It SHOULD eventually remember and start showing up on searches.
This does not always happen, hence the caps lol
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:54:33 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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__gt__ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:36:13 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Search is so inconsistent on each Windows 10 system, that I've instructed techs to just type "control printers" instead. It does seem like the legacy interfaces are being suppressed in the search results. But I can't attribute malice to what is likely incompetence.
Also what type of cereal you ate for breakfast. Seriously, thereโs apparently zero rhyme or reason to what the search puts out. Two identical computers could give two completely different results for the same search.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:27:15 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're being downvoted because you don't realise win10 will show everyone different things. I can search for something and find it but you might not.
jonesRG ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:57:03 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My experience is different so you are obviously very clearly wrong /s
vitorgrs ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:03:29 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
While I and I'm sure others appreciate the suggestion, the fact I have to install a program on these new UWP WaaS OS's to get an actual file explorer/search worth a damn is not just a step-back from the revolutionary changes of Windows 95/XP and 7, it is completely and utterly pathetic MS has done this 180.
You can still get 7 like I did. Will never touch Windows 10 again unless they make some SERIOUS amounts of changes! (Luna and Classic theme options for the HUD please?) Instead they removed a lot of the useful functions and replaced them with garbage and BS. Windows 8/10 are the most horrendous OS's I've had the displeasure of using.
asm8086 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:26:13 on November 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Complete bullshit. Don't mix Windows 10's search with Windows 8's.
Windows 8's search was fucking amazing. I could type one or two letters of any app or settings and it would INSTANTLY find it. It was MUCH MUCH faster than Windows 7's search.
But they really ruined the search experience since moving to XAML based Start Menu in Windows 10. Windows 8's Metro Start Screen was written in native C++. But in Windows 10 they moved to managed code for the Start Menu and ruined everything.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:46:50 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can we still use Windows 7 for everything? It's dirt cheap...
Spotlight used to be the best thing in the world, but in the last two updates, it's just become pretty good (was better).
Still the best thing in the world compared to the Windows Search, but that's a low bar...
umar4812 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:45:56 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
BUT MUH WNIDOWS 10 HATEJERK
crosph ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:07:57 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even "registry editor" yields nothing as you type it, even once the whole thing's typed. Yeah, W10's search is pants, but OP's example isn't unique to it.
There are some default filters, which you can hotkey to apply. I have alt-V assigned to only show .exe in everything. So until I disable the filter the only thing it will show is exe, even when I minimize everything and bring it back.
enenth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:17:05 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a great tool, but requires some configuration to fully appreciate it (by default it indexes directories and non-executable files as well, which I find to be badly overkill โ once you configure it to only index executables, it's great).
Rhysk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:58:17 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Two things that made Everything way better for me:
harald921 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 17:59:49 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, I am one of "those" guys who trash Windows 10 for every single detail (the majority I believe are perfectly valid), but this actually for once makes sense.
It's not searching for a regedit file, it's executing the Run command "regedit". It does makes sense, and I don't believe it should show up in the first image.
HOWEVER, why the FUCK does Windows 10 not get any sensible results when I type "Device Manage"?
Why the FUCK does Windows 10 say there's no results for "Visual Stud", while "Visual Stu" gives me Visual Studio 2015, and "Visual Studio" gives me Visual Studio 2017?
Why the FUCK does start search for tasks to do in the settings, rather than the settings cathegory?
If it makes it any better, it does seem to proritize what you use the most often. I have two pycharms on my pc, commnity edition and the full version. In the beginning it picked community because i picked that, now full version is always suggested first.
Now, if you use both regularly, then that's another issue...
vitorgrs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:04:47 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nertez ยท 109 points ยท Posted at 14:09:17 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Welcome to Windows 10, prepare yourself to be miserable and frustrated, everyone.
[deleted] ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 16:58:57 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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algag ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 17:50:35 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree that the comments are often overzealous, but I'm far from saying Win10 search "just works" as expected. I think they're trying for something better than expected, but they're not there yet, and utility has gone down in many cases.
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 17:59:20 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Windows search is arguably one of the most important features for usability and user sanity but they broke the shit out of it. That and their ridiculous update policy is why I switched to OSX and haven't looked back.
algag ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:26:52 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was stuck on Yosemite for work, so I didn't have some of the newer features, but the window management on OSX just frustrated me to no end.
That would be exciting lol. I really do hope Microsoft gets their shit together though, Win10 does have many neat features and it is definitely fast. I've been using Windows ever since I first learned how to use a computer, and I don't remember an OS being as clunky as Win10 since WinVista. I still come back to my PC whenever I need to do something that can only be done in Windows of course. I just can't really think of any single company that would create a new OS, I don't see how they could really profit from that without also being a hardware company (not to mention how hard it would be to even enter that market). I could see a non-profit tackling this though, maybe Mozilla.
Interesting, I'm using linux since 2 years and as soon as something works, it always works. If it breaks, it's because I started fiddling with it, and getting it back to the previous state always worked.
Can't say the same for windows. Even the ltsb version I'm using randomly craps out sometimes, the windows explorer program is unstable as fuck, buttons can't be clicked, everything hangs until I restart windows. Or try to click the filter button in the group policy editor, I dare you.
Windows only barely works as long as you literally don't even look at system settings, and even then sometimes things randomly don't work until you restart.
I'm going to be honest and say no, I don't remember that. I was born in 97.
But yes, you do have a valid point that giving side by side comparisons right now might be unfair since Windows 10 is new, and they are not.
But valid or not, it still annoys the hell out of me. I went back to Windows 7 for almost a year and it felt like a complete upgrade. Much more responsive, vastly better UI (with exceptions) and not nearly as many hitches and bugs. Sadly I had to switch back in order to be able to work with the DX12 API.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:18:09 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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StarkyA ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:52:41 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Windows new kernel release: Garbage for all but the lucky few.
Service Pack 1: Acceptable for most, still garbage for the unlucky few.
Service pack 2: Now we're talking - this is how it should have been on release.
Service Pack 3: (or 2+6 months of updates) Best OS ever.
Worth noting that windows 7 was literally Vista service pack 3 (very little difference between win7 and vista after the "platform update").
Much like windows 10 was basically windows 8.2.
Soof49 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:32:39 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno, Windows 10 has felt almost entirely like an upgrade for me. I don't mind these little quirks like that bullshit search issue (please god tell me why it doesn't always open programs and features), when in comparison the OS seems so much faster.
It may vary. I know that Windows 10's first build to more later builds (I think my workplace uses 1607.1 right now) is a massive difference. It feels like people who have problems with 10 are not updating consistently.
burtwart ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:57:18 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Switch OSโs and youโve got it right. The only time I and many others have problems with Linux is when we start messing with something we donโt know about and do it wrong. Of course it wonโt work then, and if you donโt know about it, of course itโs going to be hard to fix. And you as well, are hilariously exaggerating on the time it would take to fix something in the first place.
Install Classic Start. You get an old style start menu with proper search. Free and works great.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:10:03 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I must be the only person who doesn't constantly have issues with Windows 10. Just disable all the useless crap when you install and it'll basically be like using Windows 7.
Nertez ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:29:32 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You like, for example, the info/details panel in Explorer taking so much space on the right? I cannot stand it, I even installed something to fix that and have it at the bottom like Windows 7, but after few hours (in the evening) it will go back to "normal". And that's one of hundred smaller things that pisses me off to absolute rage. I regret the day I decided to "upgrade", Windows 10 is an absolute nightmare designed by complete idiots. Everything is super slow and even Calculator takes few seconds to load. It's like everything must be "an app" that needs to load or some shit. Hell even the Win+P setting (project screen) is loading for a second or two. All you do is wait in this piece of shit OS.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:35:33 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know what info panel you're talking about but there's nothing taking up space on the right when I'm in the File Explorer. I have also not experienced the lag you are talking about here, it has always run completely smoothly. Seriously, spend an hour disabling things and it is essentially an updated Windows 7.
Pretty sure this particular case has been around since at least Windows 7, almost certainly longer. System commands (like regedit) only show up if you type the full name, and itโs by design. Itโs annoying and frustrating, but itโs not new.
Hmm, I just tried it on an old Win 7 laptop, if I type โregediโ into the start menu nothing comes up but then if I add the โtโ on the end then regedit.exe shows up.
Apparently they're currently testing said improvements in Cortana markets and will expand to others if they end up satisfied with the results. If your market isn't a Cortana one, hold tight.
I absolutely despise the Windows start menu. The number of times it needs to wait a minute just to let me start entering text, only to have that text not bring up the thing I want is just mind-blowing. I have no idea how you guys in windows-land deal with it.
harald921 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 18:05:18 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Something that drives me mad is the logon screen. The first button is alway ignored, and I am a fairly fast typer so I usually enter my PW before the screen has turned on.
And when the screen turns on, it usually shows "wrong password", because the first letter was ignored.
I like when I start typing, expecting it to fill it in, and then it doesn't fill it in until later, then it fill sin that plus what I was already typing elsewhere so I have to erase it all and type it in again.
Believe it or not, those mild inconveniences, piled on top of each other, are why I use linux. Linux has it's own set of mild inconveniences, but they're much easier to deal with in my opinion.
Simple things, like if I'm filling out something on a document, but I have to reference another window, I can't hover over the other window, scroll, and expect it to scroll without actually having to click on it to raise it's focus. There's no reason why I shouldn't be able to do that, focus should somewhat follow mouse, but windows shouldn't raise until I click, but on windows it's an unnecessary annoyance that I just kinda have to deal with.
Or the volume bar. Why can't I just hover on the little audio icon, scroll, and turn up or down the volume? Why do I have to click on it first? Makes no sense.
Cirevam ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:02:35 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Simple things, like if I'm filling out something on a document, but I have to reference another window, I can't hover over the other window, scroll, and expect it to scroll without actually having to click on it to raise it's focus.
Scrolling unfocused windows works for me in Windows 10. I tried it just now with multiple windows overlaid on each other, and across two monitors. Then again, I'm using an enterprise build that cuts the fat. Maybe the non-enterprise versions are different. It would get really annoying if I had to be in your situation, I tell you what...
ka-splam ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:13:38 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of all the things you could have picked, the stuck-in-the-80s, user-hostile shell commands is something I'm itching to argue about.
I googled how to use regex to specify files to copy and StackOverflow handed me some intuitive and convenient pipe through grep and xargs which relies on knowing that the destination parameter for cp is -t. Exactly the kind of thing which is powerful but inconvenient. Unhelpful names, not discoverable commands, annoying options, and leads everyone into writing scripts that don't take into account the poor filesystem design and introduces bugs and security flaws in simple file copying scripts.
All of which are addressed in large measures of convenience, readability, syntax consistency, command chain consistency, and easy bug-avoidance and testing code before running it in huge amounts by PowerShell.
Well, frankly, power shell commands are stupid, long, and hard to remember. Unix commands are short, sweet, easy to remember, and tab completed. Unix shell is so good Microsoft stole it.
ka-splam ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:05:56 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unix tab completion can't complete command parameters, that's partly why Unix commands are hard to remember, because they take meaningless single character parameters to be short to type, which you can't guess, and just have to memorize. Unix shells have nothing like typing measure-object -<ctrl-space> and having a popup menu of parameters that it takes, named consistently with other tools.
Unix shell is so bad, Microsoft tried to use it, couldn't, reinvented it better.
Now PowerShell is available on Linux - the best, most innovative, most user-friendly shell in the past twenty years came out of Microsoft.
Run ip addr and realise that you're looking at a programming language grammar dumped into stdout because the shell is so weak it can't do anything to help you use the tool at all, no parameter sets, no syntax highlighting based on parsing what you type as you type it, no parameter typing, no per-command output formatting at the shell level.
The only convenient Linux has is the CLI tool world - being able to run real interactive programs over SSH, and a pricetag of $0. Being open source is why Google loves it (but that's not convenient). But the shell (Bash (RedHat/Ubuntu default settings)) is awwwwfuulllll.
the simple fact of the matter is that, despite working with windows shells and linux shells regularly, I have an easier time remembering unix commands. I don't know, nor care, why this is, though I would guess it's because they're shorter. All other points are moot, because the superiority of bash has already been recognized by microsoft, which is why they're incorporating it into Windows. They lost. Their shell is not as good as the Unix shell, so they are adopting it. In fact, they're adopting all of linux.
ka-splam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:35:13 on November 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would be surprised if the commands you find easy to remember are the ones which address all the inherent bugs in shell script handling of filenames: https://www.dwheeler.com/essays/filenames-in-shell.html - even the POSIX standards people can't / won't deal with them.
Fact is, PowerShell fixes all those filename parsing security-bugs-in-waiting once and for all with the object pipeline, same way managed code fixed buffer overflow bugs once and for all.
PowerShell helps more with commands that you haven't used before; clear, consistent naming and parameter naming, and it's a scripting language so if you need more power you don't have to reach for a completely different tool with its own syntax like Perl or Python.
They lost. Their shell is not as good as the Unix shell, so they are adopting it. In fact, they're adopting all of linux.
When a whale eats plankton, it doesn't mean the plankton wins. They're simultaneously pushing PowerShell for Linux and PowerShell for macOS. Soon PowerShell DSC will be the way to configure Linux servers in the Azure cloud - the second largest cloud, the only Microsoft cloud. The only reason they're adopting Ubuntu is to give die-hard Linux users the excuse they've been craving to run Windows without having to feel weak. "I just do it for the games, look I can still get to a real terminal. Somewhere here. I haven't used it in a while but I'm sure it's still here".
>your repository doesn't have the latest version of something so you compile it yourself and now all your dependencies are broken and you can never update anything anymore
See, that's the sort of mistake that takes work to accomplish. Also, it's valuable to do that occasionally so you learn how not to break your computer.
It's like that time on Windows where a customer ran a Windows Update and it broke her network library somehow so I had to factory restore her computer and now she never installs security updates unless I tell her it's okay first and if this ever happens again it'll be my fault.
See, that's the sort of mistake that takes work to accomplish. Also, it's valuable to do that occasionally so you learn how not to break your computer.
True, and you can definitely break every OS by tinkering enough, but it's just frustrating that Linux doesn't have the equivalent of Windows' WinSxS for shared libraries. I guess I need to make sure to compile everything statically, but of course sometimes that just doesn't work for some arcane reason.
Recently, a solution in the form of Flatpak seems to be gaining popularity. It's purpose is not just to function on all distros regardless of how they work, but also to sandbox the application so it has no access to anything outside of what it's supposed to have. It seems to be getting heavy distro support, and all you need is the 'flatpak' package to be in the repositories for it to work. I recently installed Cuphead with it, it works great.
asm8086 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:30:41 on November 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Windows 8's Start Screen was incredibly fast (as was Windows 7's). But in Windows 10 they moved the Start Menu code from native C++ to managed XAML. That's when the Start Menu became really slow and extremely buggy. Please ask Microsoft to go back to native code for the Start Menu.
Classic Start is the fix for all these problems yeah!
gpia7r ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:11:20 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I constantly get mixed results when searching for "control panel", or "devices and printers" when setting up machines at work.
Sometimes it shows. Sometimes there are no results.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:48:56 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I literally get wordpad instead of microsoft word anytime I search for word
caz- ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:07:16 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sometimes I start typing a program name, and after three characters it pops up, highlighted. So I hit "enter", but about 50ms before my finger hits the key, a different program pops to the top and is highlighted. Really annoying if it's something that takes a little while to load. This shit happens in every browser I've ever used too. It's just much more frustrating when it results in a program loading.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:18:36 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Worse.
If you have a regedit.exe in a place that's been indexed, it may suggest that as best match rather than the regedit.exe that you actually want to run.
serosis ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:18:40 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why would you have a second one if you don't intend to use it?
When I go to search for windows update, typing everything up to updat gives me HP Updates. When I complete update it gives me windows update Check for Updates, but if I add the S for updates it then change again and gives me Java check for updates. It makes no sense why it divides them up and selects them at specific points in the same word.
Akoustyk ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:50:07 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ya, the search is really bad. But it's not consistent, either. Sometimes you write the exact same thing again, and all of a sudden it finds it.
Shywim ยท 55 points ยท Posted at 12:53:04 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it is working as intented for this particular case, as this is an administration tool which can break your system if you don't know what you are doing.
There's the same behavior for other "sensible" tools.
EDIT: I don't mean it as "it is a good thing" but as "the search tool is designed like this".
But it's not like you're going to accidentally type "regedi" or even "reged" and want something else, then accidentally click on the regedit.exe because it showed up in the search results even though you wanted something totally different, then accidentally navigate to a registry key, select it, modify it and ignore the prompt about saving changes. That isn't all going to accidentally happen, and it's pretty damned unlikely that even one of those many steps is going to accidentally happen.
I know what I am doing, so there's no point in doing this. It's an operating system, not a parent.
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 14:37:27 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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gbtimmon ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:33:19 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can confirm that the behavior is the same on server 2016. I dont know why the took the windows search of 7 which was amazing and just fucked it all up for no good reason.
Oh man, it is almost like there is a way to turn of this behaviour.
But you are a techincal users, you have probably figured that out allready.
For the wast majority of users that will use windows 10 however, accessing regedit and gpedit and other similar tools is useless, and having them show up in search results will just be clutter.
Then do that on the crappy Windows 10 S and Home, but not on Pro, Workstation, and Server.
umar4812 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:42:54 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Believe it or not, there are many normal consumers who aren't pro users, who end up having the Pro edition installed.
vitorgrs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:11:06 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Believe it or not, normal people use Pro...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:19 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Artyloo ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:25:37 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You see, the kind of people who live 24/7 in front of glowing screen(big screen kind, not smartphone), tinkering with our system, master hundreds of keyboard shortcut and macro, explore every nook and cranny of our computer, and broke our machine once in a while, for science of course, and don't afraid to format our rigs and reinstall everything again. It's cakewalk for us.
let me know if you need some more help jerking yourself off
If you know what youโre doing, youโre perfectly capable of opening it with the run dialog.
vitorgrs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:07:16 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How do Windows know if you know what you are doing? If you know, I don't think people will care if you type just + one character?
I agree Windows search is not good, but regedit is definitely not the problem here. Yes, it should be hidden. It should even ask for password (this is how macOS, Linux already do when you are trying to modify sensible things)
Also, I believe you can just go to Index option, and select to index Windows folder (if you do that, it will get regedit.exe, likely).
It's for the other 98% of the population who doesn't. I too, know what I'm doing, but understand a lot of people can really fuck things up by accident.
[deleted] ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 14:06:36 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If that's the case, a toggle for showing admin tools in search could be nice.
But it shows admin tools. You just need to explicitly show you actually know their name.
What it could do is learn based on your usage and if you open it several times it shows it immediately as a search result - same as touch keyboard learn you want to say "fuck" or "shit" after you enter them manually couple times.
Toribor ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:50:28 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Super annoying as an administrator though considering I'll touch thousands of installations that require me to access these tools but it'd never learn them from analyzing search behavior since I wouldn't work on each one regularly.
That being said, any default windows setting that I disagree with is basically going to haunt me for eternity considering how many fresh installs I'm going to have to touch.
Why don't you create your own image of Windows with defaults that you want if you are touching so many fresh installs?
Toribor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:10:57 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I work at a large company so I don't make the images that I use, so a lot of stuff is fixed already, but a lot of it is just things that bother me personally. I write a lot of Powershell to fix common nuisances, but nevertheless I still end up touching a lot of fresh Windows installs professionally and personally so even just a minor thing ends up being something I end up changing or dealing with over and over and over again.
Edit: Also, working on hundreds of different clients servers/workstations, so all bets are off.
umar4812 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:43:53 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And then everyone would enable it. Just like everyone disabled Windows Update.
Everybody is an admin - even my grandma on her laptop she is an admin. Until Windows 10 S becomes the default and admin profile is created manually, by choice, no admin profile will be treated as power user.
Everybody is an admin - even my grandma on her laptop she is an admin.
This is bad practice. I put together my parents' machine and since they have no clue about how IT works, both of them are just regular users.
Until Windows 10 S becomes the default and admin profile is created manually, by choice, no admin profile will be treated as power user.
This makes as much sense as a glaucoma surgery through the anus. It doesn't matter if it is a server or granny's laptop, the admin is an admin with all the rights and privileges.
Also, if Windows 10S will ever be the default, it won't solve anything. In fact, security will be a non-issue, since your main problem will be surviving on the Microsoft Store apps only.
Search is crap, it needs to be fixed and not explained.
This is bad practice. I put together my parents' machine and since they have no clue about how IT works, both of them are just regular users.
This is the default and that was my point.
[deleted] ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 13:14:57 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it is working as intented for this particular case, as this is an administration tool which can break your system if you don't know what you are doing.
In which case we need to emphasize again that we don't want Windows being dumbed down just because some dude somewhere may break his computer. You don't make cars artificially go at 10 km/h just because someone might cause an accident.
Wellllll that's a bad comparison because a lot of cars are electronically limited. Japanese cars are usually limited to 120mph, German cars 160mph, etc...
Though, it's not tooooo difficult to get rid of the limiter. On my Lancer, it involves cutting a wire from the ECU, in case you want to take it to a track. But for general use, those safeguards/restrictions are in place
Microsoft does not make money from people like you who know what they are doing, they make from having the largest marketshare possible, so if they don't make it very accessible for the average joe, they won't be able to afford making windows at all.
Even lusrmgr.msc, gpedit.msc, fsmgmt.msc and appwiz.cpl are hidden from search results unless you know what you are searching for.
MS knows what it's doing, and thus you have powerful system softwares tucked behind a neat GUI to cater to all kinds of people. From regular Joes to GI Joes.
Koooooj ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:09:18 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Meh, in this case I'd say they made a good call.
This isn't making the car go 10 km/h. It's putting a child resistant cap on a medicine bottle. If you are someone who has a legitimate need to open that bottle then the cap poses only a trivial inconvenience, but if you're not then it can prevent serious harm.
If Windows were locking regedit behind serious barriers then I'd be inclined to agree with you and I think in general your sentiment has a lot of merit, but in this case I'm on Microsoft's side (assuming that this was an intentional attempt to hide system tools from casual users). I'm fine with trivial inconveniences if it makes it a little less likely my friends and family will come to me with a horribly broken OS they want me to fix.
vitorgrs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:11:42 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When, you are literally the minority, so there's no win.
this also happens with apps on mmy windows, like "origin", is installed, i can see it in the "app" section in option, but if i search for it it doesn't appear
Mordicad ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:37:17 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Amen..
ImSoDan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:21:52 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've been meaning to make a post about this forever. I work in IT and you can't use the search function for anything reliably. Do you want system properties? Users and computers? Device Manager? Good luck.
These are base windows features than never change but sometimes they just don't appear at all, especially on fresh images.
I've been working on macs a lot lately for work, and one thing I can say is that spotlight search is not like this at all. Type "acti" and you get 'activity monitor' right away every time, it works for basically anything on the machine and it's nearly flawless. Command + Space and then any program or setting is available. Windows should have this totally basic ability.
ihadisr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:33:45 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same boat, I like how there is a built in synonym map for when you're making a wildish guess as to what your looking for: ex, config -> mac system properties
does anybody know why this happens? because i doubt microsoft does.
RedSign1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:53:30 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This happens because regedit is not available in the indexed locations and therefore it cannot be found by the search function. It is only shown because you can not only do searches in the search box but also execute commands such as regedit. Commands have to be fully typed just like you have in the run dialog (Win + R).
thatโs acceptable, but what about every other program that doesnโt have a shortcut?
RedSign1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:10:32 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AFAIK all exe files in the windows folder can be started as a command when typing its exact name into search or the run dialog. I just tried with some obscure exes found in the system32 folder and it worked for all of them.
xpclient ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:17:24 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It happens because Windows 10 search finds it thru App Paths, which requires the full executable name to be typed. Install Classic Shell which directly searches EXEs in system paths.
To be fair, it would make sense why they wouldn't want regedit to show on just any search. If you're using regedit you need to know what you're doing, so if someone opens it, it needs to be someone that didn't accidentally open it through a search term
Kir4_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:44:41 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know how, but I've never had any problems with the search function. Just been testing everything people say and even '.txt' works. 'un' for uninstall works.. etc.
regedit should behave like this on the other hand.
While I'm not praising Win10 cuz I see how many people have problems with it, personally I've never had any. Not even force update. So I'm happy that I updated. (before that shitstorm with some update notification or whatever it was)
Anyway I realised the post might be an excellent joke.
catdem ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:01:07 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not really a bug, as much as intended. Maybe not in all cases, but it's been pretty standard for some of the more "advanced" user programs. Even back in windows 7 from what i can remember.
Not to say the search is bad, it definitively is. However, there are a important thing to notice:
It only searches places it's given(well indexed, because everything else takes too long i gues), so whatever that's the default because no one even knows where to change that. I had some folders that popped-up when searching, which warranted a hasty change of settings...
This probably applies to other stuff too, like programs that simply won't show because the .exe is hidden in a folder that's out of view.
Edit: It straight up can't find a .exe if it's not indexed. So people should really add the correct folders to the indexing! And you can remove filetypes from indexing, if you aren't intersted in getting .dlls for example.
To do so open up any search of choice, choose the top left button to filter, go to bottom and click the button for changing for windows searches. Now you can pick folders and drives to index! And under advanced you can change how it indexes filetypes under the corresponding tab. Even if it's shit, improve your experience a little by configuring this!
Lefty_22 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:50:38 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just tested on my Windows XP laptop and it does the exact same thing. It won't find Regedit using "Reg", "Rege", "Reged", or "Regedi". It will only pull it up if you fully type "Regedit".
Win 10 is nice. It just needs a single mod to work just as good. Try classic shell. I was VERY skeptical for a long time. Then i decided to try it on a spare hard drive with a legit Win 7 copy on it. Then I used the upgrade that is still available (Win10 for impaired). Dropped classic shell on top of it. Works better than W7, IMO it is more stable, and if i manage to crash my PC due to overzealous overclocking, it will automatically revert to the previous working overclock.
After windows 7, accidentally opening the search felt kinda like opening internet explorer. Just like aahh shit now I gotta wait for this guy to open so I can quit it.
CY4N ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:44:43 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Windows + R then regedit or install ConEmu windows terminal with Quake style dropdown.
Is it possible that they make some functions, like regedit, only show up if you type it in full so that non-power users don't accidentally screw up the system with it?
I donโt understand the W10 start menu at all. I just got a first class degree in Comp Science and canโt figure it out
Why doesnโt it show all the programs? Why canโt I have Search and Run there?
Thank God for classic shell, I have to install it on every pc I use else Iโm fucked, I donโt know how to find anything
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:54:28 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder why people are still dealing with this steaming pile of shit that Microsoft is calling an OS. I downgraded to 7 and I feel like my PC makes my work easier again instead of it fighting me all the time. They first need to fix this mess before I will take a look at 10 again.
because you are forced to..windows 7 is not supported by the newer intel/amd chipset
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:18:33 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am running it on my Ryzen machine with wufuc. I know that's not an option in an Enterprise environment but it works well in my situation.
Cartina ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:38:43 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But in 7 you also need to search the whole word "regedit" for it to work
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:33:11 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely true, however I wasn't talking about the search particularly. In general, Windows 10 is giving me issues and I noticed I don't have these issues in 7 (or ever had them in 8.1 for that matter). It wasn't always this bad, I was happy with 10 until the FCU, which messed a lot of things up badly. I just want MS to fix this stuff. If it's fixed, I will happily use 10 again.
dean_L ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:10:20 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can find the VPN setting if I type "VP" but it goes away if I type "VPN"... So, yup.
Gives you a windows 7 style menu and the classic search.
TPXP ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:11:36 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People have been complaining about windows 10's for years on this subreddit, and still nothing has been done. This is definitely a joke, as a technician I'm used to swear when someone needs help with windows and I can't find fastly what I'm looking for.
Thank you for wasting my time, it's a pleasure
ldAbl ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:04:52 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is why I use classic shell. The search actually works as intended.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:58:45 on December 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was getting death threats already for complaining about this issue happening me, (not a copy of this thread) to 4Chan /g/. Now I see it here. Am I retarded?
๐๏ธ hardypart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:00:30 on December 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The retarded person is always the person that makes death threats.
Honestly what's the point of these threads? There are so many. We get it.
Win 10 search fails hard for many people.
Other people will have no problem searching the same thing.
MS needs to improve it (they've talked about it)
I just don't see the point in posting here instead of the feedback hub, except for the karma and circle-jerk. Why not post a concept of a tabbed file explorer while you're at it?
Sorry for being so bitter.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:49:27 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:20:31 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck! Tabbed Explorer sounds awesome. Why the fuck don't we have that?
B3yondL ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:01:47 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's better than Explorer in pretty much every way when you turn off the default 'show all my files' and make the path bar visible. And the toolbar is customizable.
Apart from tabs, explorer does everything finder does and more. Finder is incredibly painful to use; much easier to just use the terminal for any serious file management.
There's a tabbed file explorer replacement called Clover. Seems to be based on chrome. Don't expect it to be bug-free or anything, but it does pretty much what you need
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 17:01:05 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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sh1ggy ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:53:36 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because Windows is an absolute shit show of an OS. Some of us literally have no other choice than to use it and it's just so incredibly frustrating to see it getting worse and worse every freaking year. Some people just feel the need to vent, and I absolutely understand that.
If I could, I would gladly say goodbye to Microsoft. Can't.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:02:42 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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sh1ggy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:28:48 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks. I absolutely agree: We need a new OS. Microsoft is constantly adding more and more shit with an absolutely outdated foundation beneath it. Unfortunately they HAVE to do that because a lot of programs are based on those old things. It's a downward spiral.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:28:16 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you're tired of microsoft's bullshittery, you can try classic shell.
Lets you get a start menu similar to windows7/vista/xp, and you can customize the shit out of it. Also fixes the search function.
I wasn't paid by them, it's just a great tool. It's also free.
The irony here is, that thread has become the Most Upvoted Post of All Time in this sub despite the fact that:
It's not a bug and Windows search is actually working as intended for this particular case to prevent casual users from messing up with registry.
This behavior is not even exclusive to Windows 10, if you want to search for "regedit" on Windows 7, you'll need to type the whole word too like Win 10.
I've seen a search for "update" return "windows updates", add an S to search for "updates", no results found. it's just baffling.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:15:23 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's an excellent joke.
devperez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:43:47 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm currently using Wox to replace the search. Seems to work okay.
8xrx8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:51:16 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd recommend installing Everything, it's indexing speed is amazing. Also you can map hotkeys to open it, I have Win + S disabled in registry to not trigger Windows search and mapped to show Everything window
It learns your searches which is comically annoying. Now when I type, "appwiz.cpl" in search from the moment I finish "app" it fills it in as appwiz.cpl as a Google search, when I finish typing it out it changes to opening the control panel
on windows 10 home edition I've had to reinstall a few programs including Malwarebytes and then Windows Defender freaks out and tells me to enable the firewall again
Sometimes you type the whole thing in and it just doesn't recognise what you are searching for but then you do it again later and it does show the correct result.
iJeffwuh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:36:57 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can never find Origin. Drives me crazy. I only load it a couple times a year but still frustrating.
tl;dr the old Run dialog never did it, is it that unreasonable search doesn't do it either?
This is probably because search is intended to look through it's local databases for results for you from the Start Menu, your Documents/Pictures/Videos/Music, the web, control panel, etc.
It can also act as a Run replacement but for it to search in that context it would need to look through all the executable search paths for a match, and most of those paths are probably not in the search index which means a slightly slower search though I would think it would still be quite usable. Maybe they felt it wasn't worth the effort to implement that just for running commands.
Anyway if you type the full path (so no searching needed) it should show autocomplete options I think. Not sure, not on Windows 10 at the moment.
kougan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:47 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Search cant even find the folders or files in my pc it just shows internet results...
outadoc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:13 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thatโs because youโre typing the name of the exe. Same behavior for all executables in system32, unless you type their โfriendly nameโ which is listed in the startup menu.
For some reason, post-XP, the search function just grew to be completely broken.
I'm still on W7 and it constantly refuses to find things that I know are there. I've ctrl+F'd for files in specific folders that I can actually see right there and it'll still refuse to show them sometimes. Sometimes I'll hit the windows key and start typing a program name that I forgot I added to the start menu and it won't appear. Even worse, sometimes I'll search for a specific filetype by typing "filetype: .mp3" or whatever and it'll give me miscellaneous non-mp3 files.
I'm not sure how it got to be so fucked up, whether it was some difference in how files are stored and indexed, but it's just so goddamn broken and inconsistent. And yes, I've indexed all my drives and all folder locations.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:53 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
bed joke. ๐ก๐ก๐ก
dank4tao ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:08:41 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everything search tool is your answer: voidtools.com
xJoe3x ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:19 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The other day I put in "Printers" and, as I typed, I noticed "Printer" gave me the "Printers and Scanners" link, but as soon as I put the "S" at the end, it went to a web search and got rid of the direct "Printers and Scanners" option.
Worth noting, it appears that Win10's search makes an attempt to keep high system level tools out of the hands of those who are simply click-happy. Meaning it won't suggest them til its sure that's what you're looking for. After all, this is an OS for the masses.
Like a couple others on this thread, I prefer Linux (mostly Fedora as of late), with W10 for the games that demand it.
zebedir ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:49 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If they would bring back the Winkey + X then 'P' for control panel I would be a happy dude. Or if they just had the control panel as an option right from clicking the start key, I would be a happy dude.
Pretty much. I only updated to win10 for directx12 which I really don't even know what the difference is so I guess that wasn't really a good reason to update.
I don't even use the search function unless I know exactly what I'm looking for and even then only if I'm somehow too lazy to find the shortcut I made specifically to avoid using the search function in the first place.
I ran a search for something (application launcher for python environment used for homework assignments) and it came up. Went to look for it again 10 minutes later to make a shortcut and it didn't show up.
I know the feeling. I use bitlocker for every asset at work and I know I can get to it other ways, but I still try to use search and it will only recognize it if I type it all out, then backspace a couple of letters.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:12:55 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For me it just doesn't find things, at all.
I installed Origin, and while installing I hit "don't create desktop icons or start menu icons".
So then I wanted to start it, typed "origin" into this search to open it quickly. It didn't find anything, except for the installer.
So then I went into C->Programs and there was a folder "origin" with in it a program "origin" and a thousand other files all named "origin...". Which the search function apparently refuses to find.
This is Windows 10 search function being garbage. I had to download an app just to search files. Trying to find specific objects in my Sims 4 mods folder- something like, for example,
kittykat_cat_ears_headband_MALE
No results for kitty. No results for kittycat. No resoluts for cat. No results for kittykat_cat. No results for cat_ears. No results for headband.
With the app I got to search? Instant results for all of those.
I just thought about this. Had a paper called "Final Paper for FAM 2049" and I searched "FAM 2049" and nothing came up...I thought I had lost all my progress or something
If you make a typo in this window, don't bother manipulating your cursor position or hitting ctrl+a cause that shit don't work.
bloqs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:27:08 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This will probably not be read but downloading Everything and using it from right click menu/start menu icon has proven almost as good as windows 7 search. Fuc|< cortana and the metro UI meme nonsense. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everything_(software)
Lately when I search for Spotify, it redirects me to the website instead of sending me to the already installed app. Like wtf?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:38:06 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Windows was never good at searching, search patterns, and globbing. It had so many legacy quirks that entire books have been written. In that sense Win 10 is just a novice where even simple word and boundary completions have yet to be implemented consistently. They are still recovering from years of obfuscation.
JXRT190 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:38:43 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd highly recommend downloading Wox and Everything Search. It's 10x faster and 10x more accurate than Windows search
Has there been any public acknowledgment from MS about this? It's crazy how such an important utility has been so hobbled for so long with no word of a fix any time soon.
This happens on my windows machines when I disable Cortana. You have to turn search indexing on manually after disabling Cortana for search. You should also check to make sure that the c: is marked for indexing (right click c:, ensure box is checked).
brettins ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:49:26 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This might be a good time to mention Launchy, which has fuzzy search for commands and apps on Windows machines, and takes care of this really well.
I've literally searched for bitlocker on multiple windows 10 machines at work (same image, same model, etc.); half the time they find bitlocker correctly, and the other half tries to Bing search "bitlocker"...
Osiris19 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:51:05 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Funny, because coming from mac, I type "Term"[inal] to get to Command Prompt and from my Windows 7 habits "My PC" to get to
This Computer, or whatever its called.
If I want to quickly open the Downloads folder through search I have to type โDownloadโ and it comes up, but if I add an โsโ (โDownloadsโ) it opens up edge and does a web search, even though the name of the folder is โDownloadsโ with the โsโ
That's not really a good example. I'm not saying the Win10 search is good or bad. In the case of regedit, I think they made it where you have to type in the whole word so yahoos cannot accidentally open regedit. Nearly any other program I tried finds it after just a couple of letters.
I just hate that not everything shows up in the search folder like it should. Can't look up most of my installed games from Steam, so what's the point?
It's a relatively minor complaint since I know where to find my shortcuts and I can always just open up Steam and type in the name that way, but it still pisses me off.
It's because its a command, for example if you type in ipconfi the ipconfig command wont show up
Neilas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:56:43 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love that builds past 1507 can't find "Devices and Printers" in control panel when you type it into search. Its the biggest pain in my ass for most of my jobs.
meauho ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:12:23 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Type in "Printer". That's the only way it comes up for me.
Neilas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:03:35 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All I get is the settings panel one. I still prefer the Control Panel one. I'm also on 1709.
meauho ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:09:06 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm on 1884 and it comes up with the Control Panel one.
Started doing it after the update a couple of weeks ago.
My favorite part is when I'm typing something in the search, it's the selected thing on the top of the menu, I hit enter and just before it goes it changes to something else.
ficm1990 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:17:10 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like when I search for a folder and an Edge browser opens searching the internet for shit...Apple had this search PC function figured out like 10 years ago.
I always thought this was due to this being a potentially dangerous application to run so you have to type the full name to make sure that's exactly what you meant.
Saying that, UAC comes up as well so I dunno :)
EDIT: never mind, I should have read more comments before posting this for the umpteenth time lol
prodygee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:27:12 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's weird that Windows' own search algorithm seems to suck and bog down the pc (while indexing once in a while), while the program 'Everything' seems to be able to find ANY file as you type without exhausting your CPU.
My favorite part of windows 10 is the clickbatey login screen. It is some interesting picture and some half caption like "this is a hidden jewel of europe, if only people knew about...". If you take the bait, it takes you to a bing search. No one uses bing, so now the login screen serves as a way to bump up hits on the search engine, which they can then tell advertisers about. " Advertise on bing, just look at how many people use it"!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:31:53 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Somehow worse than the Reddit app search feature..
My first (and continuing) impression is that they made a graphical command prompt. You gotta type in all the commands anyway, my fingers haven't gotten a workout like that since DOS.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:54:42 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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๐๏ธ hardypart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:41:15 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why are you using IE?
That's my work machine, we have a couple of browser applications that require IE.
snp4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:00:53 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Although this comment has no mean what so ever, no added context nor opinions which the other may value, I broke the 666 comment number, which is a bragging right which I can and I will hold and boast for many years to come.
Yes, I did just watch Rick and Morty.
Power user/administrator system settlings like regedit aren't found through the predictive search index. CMD, Services and such. It's not a W10 feature alone. And I think it's actually on purpose and it's been like that since there's a search bar at the Start Menu; since W7.
Here's my question: don't any of the Microsoft quality employees use Windows 10. Have none of them tried to search on their PC and had problems like this? How does something this easily noticeable and fixable continue?
longshot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:19:05 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Change your indexing to not the default folders and items. It'll take a while to index but you'll have working search. Why it doesn't do this by default I have no idea.
When I go to search for PowerShell, I have to put โpowershell.exeโ or it will try to open ISE... it wonโt even show up until I put the .exe in the search...
I play a shitty little game where I try to find my requested file before windows 10 search can find it.
So far I'm the undefeated champion
RedSign1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:43:10 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is because regedit is not available in the indexed locations and therefore it cannot be found by the search function. It is only shown because you can not only do searches in the search box but also execute commands such as regedit. Commands have to be fully typed just like you have in the run dialog (Win + R).
It has nothing to do with regedit being an adminstration tool. There are other administration tools that were found by just typing a few letters of their name because those tools have entries in the startmenu so that the search can find them. Regedit isn't in the start menu and can only be executed by typing its full command.
I'm not defending the windows search but in this case it is the intended behavior.
My favorite is searching for "Note" and the first thing that comes up is Sticky Notes. Did I type sticky anywhere? No. I don't want to use a shit gimmicky program, I want the useful notepad.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:44:18 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The search is awful. Type in too much of the word and the search result disappears, sometimes it doesn't even show the application I want.
This is because you're not "playing ball" and using cortana along with all the other spy features. Of course the "base, unimproved" version will be shit. That way you'll switch for convenience's sake.
Install small web app called search everything. Itโs super fast at searching your computer files, puts windows search to shame.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:15:44 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I also love (read: hate) that it starts searching the moment you type the first letter, so it freezes up and presents worthless results before you're finished typing the actual search term.
On top of disabling Cortana, you can modify your PATH variable to include anywhere you want quickly indexed here. Just don't go crazy and don't remove anything from there or you'll slow down or nuke your PC. I set up a directory full of shortcuts to things I'll want to access in the future, and just slapped it onto the end of the PATH variable.
There are also programs to emulate an older style Windows start menu which was more compact and didn't include a web search. I use Classic Shell and it's perfectly snappy.
Medlir ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:55:42 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm so used to typing just gpedit for group policy editor, but for some reason that brings up Cygwin's XWindows Server... adding the period somehow makes it go "AHA!" though. And adding the full msc extension it finds it just fine as well.
I had visual studio 2013 and 2016 installed at one point. When searching visual studio, it switches between which version opens every couple characters. The new search is my biggest issue with win 10.
Just tried it. Regedit.exe comes up after typing "rege",
calculator pops up after typing "cal", DxDiag after "Dx".
The only change I made to Windows 10 is Classic Shell.
Imrhien ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:20:10 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can confirm, this is a real disappointment. Also searching for files sucks as web results seem to be preferred
Windows 10 search is terrible in general, but probably the most frustrating thing is that Control Panel settings aren't searchable anymore.
If you want to make Metro settings a replacement for Control panel, at least provide a equivalent experience.
/rant
TheMoves ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:37:43 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For me to open IE (I need to use it to log in to work) I have to type 'iexplore' to launch the process, it can't even find IE. Recently it would only find things on my secondary and tertiary drives and not on my OS drive despite the OS drive being the only one indexed. Did a complete OS reinstall due to a myriad of other issues Win10 has given me and now some things on my OS drive show up and nothing on the other drives does. Honestly (and I know I'm in the Win10 sub here) there's no way I'd still be using Windows after all the shit it's given me since 8 if I didn't require it for remotely logging in to work. How can they not sort this shit out?
jld2k6 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:37:46 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know if it's just my system, but i can click on search and type something in and the letters won't even start appearing for over 5 seconds. Searching on Windows was always instant for me before windows 10 and now I fucking hate having to use it to open anything.
marcdxn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:47:23 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The amount of people daily since moving users to Windows 10 I have to tell to click start and just type that's your search...
Eventually it will sink in...
I live and I hope but god knows after finding a new IT firm in the building I manage checking over what they have my days are numbered... I think they are getting rid of the company I work for come contract renewal time.
Hope calc works =/
cutcopy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:48:52 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Regedit has always been this way 10, 8, 7, and Vista IIRC. Regedit is considered an administrative tool, and doesn't normally need to be used by an end-user (who may do something destructive on accident). This is put there in place and is specific to administrative applications in windows. It is good that it's there.
Cpt_Howl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:45:15 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ha when you type โDevices and printersโ............then nothing, and have to go all the way into control panel to get to it. Fucks with my head every time ๐
___Steve ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:52:38 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think this is intentional to prevent accidental launching of these utilities, or rather special exceptions are put in place for launching applications like these.
The same situation occurs when launching applets like compmgmt.msc or appwiz.cpl. Both of these need the complete applet name typed in for them to launch. I will admit though that launching them through the start menu seams to have improved since the initial launch. In events where the start menu has problems loading instantly, if you were to finish typing them in before the menu loaded you would get a bing search for the applet. As of a few months ago even if you get these in faster than the computer can think the applet will still open up.
The one thing I hate about Windows 10 everything else is golden so far. Although the inability for me to use a xbone controller on my pc due to a glitch is pretty annoying.
thebigru ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:46:51 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is so abysmal I am considering completely reinstalling. I have tried EVERYTHING and spent hours trying to get it to index my downloads folder and my desktop for example. I can specifically specify "INDEX MY FUCKING DESKTOP" and reindex everything, and it cant find a file called Minecraft.exe on the desktop while I'm sitting there looking at it. So infuriating.
thebigru ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:49:43 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hate to be that guy but I use spotlight on my mac to launch almost everything and when I come back to windows 10 I am every day reminded - oh yeah, the technology isn't quite there yet to type the first 4 letters of the app and hit enter to launch it :(
That's what thing I've noticed. Programs in system32 (or whever cmd takes you to by default) will show up in there if you type out their exact name.
For instance diskpart (command line disk partitioning tool) will only show up if I type the name it perfectly. Why this happens? IDK, but knowing that makes it a lot more constant at least.
TJGM ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:23:15 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Considering it looks like you haven't updated Windows 10 in a few months (if at all), I wouldn't be surprised if your 'Power User' tweaks broke the Search function.
redw1ng ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:24:03 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Searching for bitlocker is the funniest. How do you find it with 4-5 letters but not when I type the full word. I use classic start and it is amazing compared to this hot garbage.
I don't understand why people think they can look up regedit by only typing part of it? It's been that way since Win 7. You need to know what you're looking for. Especially something as dangerous as regedit.
Secure by obscure? Eg. No stumbling into it by my parents.
DavidSpy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:04:07 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have a doc on my desktop called โsocial linksโ. If I search for this doc using โsocialโ itโll never show up but if I search for โlinksโ itโs the top result. Go figure.
iveyyy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:28:44 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's an administrative tool, why should it show up so easily? Search is perfectly fine for regular users, including myself.
LS_07 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:45:28 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wish Alfred would make a Windows version of their app too, I would use the heck out of it. I've tried other Alfred equivalents on Windows and they're all really bad.
Alfred search intelligence is amazing, and then there is the amazing customizability and extension support too.
sindex23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:06:13 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This annoys me. Two days ago typing "calc" would no longer bring up the calculator. "No results found." Two days later it not only brings calculator up, but also brings up OpenOfficeCalc, which is like shitty Excel. That's fine that it finds both results and all, but what the hell was happening for the previous two days when no results were there?
The name of the Open Office program is Calc. Why would would you not want a search to display it as one of the top results if you have the program installed on your computer?
sindex23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:20:32 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not saying I don't want it appearing. I'm saying it's weird it didn't appear for the previous year of being installed, and even weirder that even calculator didn't appear for two days randomly.
Deranox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:16:56 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Watch as a nearly 22k upvoted topic won't get a single answer from a Microsoft employee as they won't do a thing about search. They haven't for the past 2.5 years and they won't for the next major update either.
I made a maze of folders, and then in one of the folders in a random folder (I didnโt forget where it was) I made a text document containing a lot of my passwords. One day I made it a hidden document, and I only did that, because I didnโt want to be able to search for it, but now, I canโt find the document. Itโs gone! Could someone help me? How can I find it again?
xpclient ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:30:01 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This behavior happens because Windows 10 search finds regedit thru App Paths (HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\App Paths), which requires the full executable name to be typed or it won't show up. Install Classic Shell which directly searches EXEs in system paths like C:\Windows and system32.
Regedit doesn't came up in search because system32 is not an indexed folder by obvious reasons. Indexing system32 will kill your PC performance. You can do it if you want right clicking system32 and checking the corresponding checkbox, but it is a very bad idea.
"But notepad is in System32 and it shows up when I write notep...". Yes, notepad appears when searching because there is a shurtcut to it into Start Menu folder, which is an indexed location.
Regedit had a shortcut into Start Menu three or four years ago, but Microsoft removed that shortcut in purpose making it not indexed to avoid not experimented users opening it. This is a political decision. It was removed in 1703 feature update.
For that reason, regedit only shows up if you write it's complete name, and it is in that way because system32 is on PATH environment variable.
If you want regedit to appear into search create a shortcut into Start Menu folder, and it will match totally or partially "regedit.exe", "Windows Registry Editor" and the name you give to the shortcut.
Just one more thing. If you don't know what this comment states, maybe you should not be using regedit. Please, be careful.
Here we see one of the rare 20k+ upvotes on this sub.
Hrvatix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:17:31 on November 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Am I the only one that actually likes this behavior? It clearly avoids situations when average user types in something like reg, re, etc and accidentally opening Regedit and messing with something in there. This way it keeps some bad stuff from happening! Just mine 2cents.
I've solved most of my Windows 10 Start Menu issues (no search, stuck on downloading Apps, random explorer.exe restarts) on multiple computers just by deleting everything inside:
I know, I was just kidding. I know for some things IE is still needed.
mrblods ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:40:16 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is BY DESIGN.
You don't want your average non-technical user pulling up something like regedit and poking around in there.
So Microsoft have consciously trimmed SOME items from search.
They've also been quite clever about it - because other things which are located in the same directory like snip DO come back in searches.
So I do thing there's things wrong with the search - but this is a very bad example, as this is actually a good thing.
๐๏ธ hardypart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:39:35 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You don't want your average non-technical user pulling up something like regedit
And you think this makes sense in the Enterprise Edition?
mrblods ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:31:32 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus yes - are you serious? I manage corporate IT computers for a living, multi-million dollar organizations do not want their staff fiddling with their corporate equipment registry settings!
That's intended. They don't want you to find it by accident. Those tools aren't to be used by anyone that isn't an advanced user and is specifically looking for them.
smeeding ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:16 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I encountered this exact same search situation in Windows 7 the other day, so it's not specific to 10. I was assuming they did it on purpose so people wouldn't wander into this by mistake.
Shagomir ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:32:10 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've noticed that you're required to type in the full name of anything that is a setting or application that an ignorant user could use to break things.
This is probably a safeguard to keep people from accidentally opening regedit and breaking things.
Edit: I've verified that the behavior is the same on Windows 7 as well. I think this is intentional.
I don't believe anyone should accidentally access the registry editor in any os variant of windows. If one search term leads to fewer accidental amateur mishaps in regedit, then I may end up with one less grey hair.
mrblods ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:44:45 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It seems to me that OP is torn between recognising that the point he made about search in this instance is wrong - Microsoft doesn't want company staff or home users fiddling with the registry (or the other hundred or so strange and weird exe files in Windows and System32) - but he HAS got himself a very popular post with 21000 upvotes. So he'd rather stick with the mistake he made in this particular instance. Which is a shame - because there are lots of reasons to hate on Microsoft search, but this is actually a reason to like it.
๐๏ธ hardypart ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:51:07 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Home systems administrated by people working in IT. They often use the same os as the systems they work on. Where it may be unlikely for anyone with IT experience to misuse their regedit, it is not unlikely for their s/o or children to stumble into it.
mrblods ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:37:50 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You've obviously never worked in large corporate IT - because if you had you'd know that you have it completely backwards. Enterprise doesn't want you fiddling and breaking your computer and making you non productive or putting the company at risk.
Ideally corporate IT doesn't even want you installing your own apps or changing your own settings out of a management controlled solution.
There is a very small number of people in large enterprise who typically get the keys to the kingdom in terms of being able to fiddle with their machines to their hears content - and that's engineers and leadership.
๐๏ธ hardypart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:54:59 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You've obviously never worked in large corporate IT
I work in the IT apartment of an international corporation with an annual turnover of 1bl EUR. But yeah, you're probably still right. Enterprise Edition means that there are more options for regulating certain stuff that's important in an enterprise environemtn, like Store access etc. Nonetheless, I want to be able to set whether I'm the kind of user who knows what he's doing or not.
mrblods ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:08:30 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know its hard because its got a lot of likes, but you cannot seriously be typing that. You CAN do what you like - if you're an administrator of your machine. Unless you're clinging onto a complaint that you want to type 2 or 3 less keystrokes!! Put a two character batch file in your path or a keyboard shortcut if you need to get to regedit so frequently.
It's things like group policy management and system center configuration management and user profiles which are important for managing enterprise equipment. So policies and changes submitted to your machines based on hardware and user profiles at log on and power on. I think its a fairly safe assumption to make that things in Windows and System32 folders not be included in search. Microsoft then had to go the extra mile to make tools frequently used like powershell and snip actually appear. That seems the right way to go. Have a look in your windows folder at all the EXE files. Nobody should be seeing those.
๐๏ธ hardypart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:13:39 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know its hard because its got a lot of likes, but you cannot seriously be typing that. You CAN do what you like - if you're an administrator of your machine. Unless you're clinging onto a complaint that you want to type 2 or 3 less keystrokes!! Put a two character batch file in your path or a keyboard shortcut if you need to get to regedit so frequently.
I am seriously typing that. I usually operate my PC in the most efficient and fast way possible. The first typed letter should give me immediately the most frequently used application / command that starts with said letter. So if I type "r" it should show "regedit", just like it shows "snipping tool" when I type "s". Of course it's no disaster to type the full word, but it's still aggrevating, because it COULD be faster.
Have a look in your windows folder at all the EXE files. Nobody should be seeing those.
People working in IT should see these, IMO.
mrblods ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:34:21 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Great take a list of the programs you want to get to quickly and the shortcuts you want to your IT team responsible for systems management - have them script it and automatically deploy it to all the IT staff. Job done.
That will have the advantage of being automatic for all IT existing and future IT staff, will work automatically on all existing and future equipment - could even potentially log who started regedit to a central server in case their machines subsequently screws up.
The tools exist to do exactly that. But what you DONT want is - just a magic button you throw which makes all system executables or all none mainstream apps part of the search engine.
Your management team probably have better things to do than save you typing 3 extra characters and which you could solve yourself with a saved shortcut or a CMD or a PS file. But if they DID do it - using the proper tools the following would happen.
It could be configured scripted to run automatically based on your group memberships/department you're in - it would work on any machine you logged into including loaner laptops, terminal servers and virtual machines. It could even check your permissions are high enough before it offered you regedit.
That's all good - and that's what systems management is for - granular configuration changes based on user profile, and IT departments will do that all the time.
However its still not a reason to criticise the Microsoft Search. Criticise it for its failings and it has many many - but this seriously is not one.
I get pissed off with the search daily and my immediate instinct when I first saw your post - was that I agreed with you. But then I started to think about what regedit is and where it is. It doesn't even exist in the programs you have for god sake - that how little Microsoft wants joe user to know about it.
As I said though IT can make it come back - but that takes work, because do you really want nearly 600 new executables to show up - which windows currently runs silently in the background for you.
๐๏ธ hardypart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:43:56 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course there are solutions for everything, but wouldn't it be great if we could just set whether these critical parts are part of the search index or not!?
mrblods ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:25:23 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No absolutely not.
Nobody would argue that exposing the guts of the operating system mixed in with peoples day to day documents and applications by the simple throwing of a switch would be a good idea. You got thousands of likes - because nobody thought about it too deeply and your two images looked like they showed up a bug.
It needs to be managed because if its easy and a user sees a check box that says 'include all in search' they they're going to click it.
The search locations ARE customizable and will get crawled if you add new folders - you can go ahead and add windows if you want to, I don't recommend it. Every search you do will show you loads of files with cryptic names and your indexing will take twice as long, and your computer will be at increased risk.
Did you know another reason windows doesn't crawl system areas is that in doing so you're increasing your footprint for a hacker. Now the hacker doesn't need to break into your system areas to find out which version of some dll you have - he just needs to get access to the search index which all user share across your machine. If you'd have called your post something like 'Wouldnt search be improved if it made some of ITs frequently used functions available' instead of 'The search function is a bad joke'. Then instead of this conversation we'd be talking about how things like Powershell desktop app do exactly that.
The conscious decision made by Microsoft is to do what we've been discussing. Hide the dangerous functionality of regedit (which some at Microsoft tried to not even include in the shipped product - many wanted it to be a download). And hiding that functionality also means not adding a button to bring it back. I'll say it again - you wont even find regedit in the list of All Programs.
But again none of this has anything to do with your misleading post title and why you got tens of thousands of up votes.
My girlfriend just got a laptop with windows 10 (I think it's windows 10 because of these screenshots) and it is literally the worst laptop I have ever used!
The search bar is absolute shit, as this post identifies, the laptop is slow as fuck anyways, I really just hate everything about it. I'm thankful and grateful for it, sure, but as a product that a company put on the market, it's absolute shit. Slowest new computer I've ever had.
People seem down on classicshell because a source for it was hacked, so was distributed with malware for a while. Other than that, people think it wouldn't change the result... My gif puts that to rest.
I dunno tbh, classic shell is amazing and makes windows 10 bearable.
Combine that with choco, cmder & t-clock, you've got a fucking sweet setuo!
A even worse joke is that you use Internet Explorer. :D
Hafd2 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 14:13:54 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't worry Microsoft has the perfect solution coming in Redstone 4: Cortana and all its terrible results will now be a huge pop up in the middle of your screen and it will have more Emojis and social media!
dtoxic ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:02:41 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
nothing wrong with the search this is an advanced tool which shouldn't be made available just because someone types a few words. try searching something else search will bring the result before you are done typing it fully.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:23:12 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You guys realise that Windows will, in all probability, still be the dominant OS fifty years from now? And in all that time it won't improve at all?
Kinda depressing.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:07:06 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Windows 7 is what Iโll be staying on, I rely on this everyday and on 10 itโs horrible.
Beagus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:04:32 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm with you 100% on this. Why they would abandon their classic setup for some flashy annoying bullshit is beyond me. If thatโs what they want to do then fine, but I wonโt be buying it.
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TheOneWhoReadsStuff ยท 4002 points ยท Posted at 14:46:52 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I would like a setting where I can turn off web searches. I just want to search for items on my computer, not the web. If I wanted to search the web, I could just open the browser.
MemoryLapse ยท 874 points ยท Posted at 15:59:52 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Turn off Cortana. In windows home you (coincidentally) need to edit the registry, but in professional you can edit the group policy.
UhaiFE ยท 392 points ยท Posted at 16:48:12 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Turning off cortana (for me) also disabled my ability to search for programs like that
Enderpig1398 ยท 391 points ยท Posted at 17:04:47 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is a common misconception. Press the start button and start typing. It's really dumb that they hid it like that.
algag ยท 178 points ยท Posted at 17:41:43 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tbf, thats what it was in Win8 and possibly earlier.
LoudMusic ยท 93 points ยท Posted at 17:48:02 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Correct - it was like that in Win7 as well. Prior to that you might have had to actually click in the Search field in the Start Menu, but it was still there.
tgp1994 ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 18:41:06 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And Vista, if I'm not mistaken...
sptn1gooz ยท 84 points ยท Posted at 19:25:33 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We don't talk about Vista.
SaintNewts ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 20:14:19 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What about Win ME? lol
xandercusa ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 21:02:13 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We do NOT acknowledge the existence of WinME around here
NoRocketScientist ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:52:39 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I personally had no issues with those two unmentionables!
xandercusa ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:08:50 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I use Vista as my main OS on a laptop of mine and it's fine. I used ME at one point and had a whole bunch of BSODs before moving to Win98se
SaintNewts ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:51:48 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh but Vista is marginally okay? THIS SUB IS A JOKE! *unsu-- *subscribe* --- *unsubscribe*
xandercusa ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:48:39 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I still use Vista on my main workstation laptop and it's just fine!
SaintNewts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:58:33 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even though it's out of extended support? As of April, unless you're spending more money than it's worth paying for custom updates of course.
xandercusa ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:05:55 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Windows update doesn't even work on it, and yet I still use it on the internet.
SaintNewts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:17:43 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's okay. I have a VM running Win XP. They quit making chrome updates for that even.
xandercusa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:11:54 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Chrome doesn't support Vista either, but I've been using Firefox and I think it still has some support going for it. If I remember correctly, it just updated a few days ago.
tgp1994 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:50:32 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have Vista on my "side" laptop that I use for random things. It always works when I need it to, ironically. Gave the machine an upgrade from 1GB to 2GB of RAM, that was like night and day!
SaintNewts ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:19:05 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed. Amazing how easily Windows 7 and 10 stuck down the RAM.
tgp1994 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:30:01 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even my mom's computer with Windows 7 and 4GB of RAM is really struggling. She typically has no more than 3 tabs open in Firefox, Office Outlook and an instance or two of Word. Like, honestly, I can see how that would be a stretch for 2GB of RAM. But 4? I think there's been some pretty big software bloat especially over the last decade.
SaintNewts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:52:14 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh but Vista is marginally okay? THIS SUB IS A JOKE! *unsu-- *subscribe* --- *unsubscribe*
NoRocketScientist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:52:19 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I personally had no issues with those two unmentionables!
Andromeda2803 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:05:28 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was the sole person to really like ME..
Bone-Juice ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:58:31 on November 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We do not speak of Windows Mangled Edition
ZippyDan ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 20:15:27 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Vista was decent after the second(?) SP
choufleur47 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:30:55 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it did wonder for my sales in computer stores. Everyone had to upgrade lol.
WhiteBoyFromHait ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:56:03 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or windows RT...
UnicornRider102 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:51:10 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why not? We're talking about Windows 10.
xyifer12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:23:27 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because shit drivers gave it a bad name and now people think it's a bad OS because of their experiences caused by other software?
Zefirus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:39:14 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Vista was and is fine. All of its problems were entirely with third parties. Hardware didn't have proper drivers, and OEMs put it on computers that didn't have high enough specs to support it.
If you just flat out deleted Windows Vista from existence and put Windows 7 in its place, it would have almost the EXACT same problems that Vista had.
ChuckVader ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:22:24 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This was part of it, but I think the bigger problem was that it was simply too reaource intensive for the majority of machines that had it installed from the factory. I never had any problems with Vista, I loved it to tell the truth. My friend with a Celeron laptop that came with Vista on the other hand? Not so much.
Zefirus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:54:45 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uh, I said that.
Basically intel started throwing their weight around and forced Microsoft to "approve" of low quality computers that could barely run it. That's what those "Designed for XP, Windows Vista Capable" logos were.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:17:19 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think 95 as well...
the_grass_trainer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:37:43 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't remember Winblows 95/98 having a search function in the start menu, but it still had the Run program.
ZippyDan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:15:00 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i think Windows Search was a separate install that came later in the life of Windows 9x
the_grass_trainer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:46:08 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would make sense, but i thought the start menu search function was a separate application altogether?
Losicta ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:55:04 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which they copied from Mac OSX, iirc
radwic ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:38:31 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which was ripped from DOS, tbh
trznx ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 20:02:07 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not it's not. yes you can just press start and type, but Win7 has a field you can see when you press start. I started typing in w10 because I assumed it should be there and funnily enough it is, but it's hidden. In Win7 it's not hidden. Huge difference if you ask me, the people who won't try will never know there IS A SEARCH BAD in there
PillowTalk420 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:20:28 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even with Cortana off, you can open the normal search field with Windows Key + Q.
I use this because hitting the start button, for whatever reason, is retardedly slow to actually open the start menu.
Bone-Juice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:58:08 on November 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just tried it on my Win7 work pc, can confirm it is the same result.
Cuttybrownbow ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 18:26:36 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It still doesn't find anything. Like at all. It's embarrassing for Windows.
FriesWithThat ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 18:39:06 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Considering the amount of time it takes indexing my files it would be nice if it could find some things. I guess I'm just grateful that searching in file explorer works so long as it's it a format Windows likes. I backup all my technical LibreOffice documents as .docx in an archive folder just to be able to search inside the documents and ever find things again. And I did do a few other hacks to try to bypass this step and make Windows think it was one of their precious Word documents, but to no avail.
alrf536 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:10:05 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is another setting. You have to enable Background Apps. Just the main switch, disable all the apps. I had the same problem as you and was about to give up until I found it. Now I can find programs again.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:14:24 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is part of the problem. Disabling background apps should notify you of the change or not disable it at all. Let the main disable be a regedit or gp edit.
KevinCarbonara ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:44:46 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not embarrassing. It's profitable.
It's the Winten users who defend Microsoft's exploitative business decisions that's embarrassing.
Cuttybrownbow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:58:54 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Breaking a once useful tool is not profitable. Its a fuckup.
KevinCarbonara ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:42:15 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's profitable when it defaults to a web search on your own service and isn't preventing any users from buying your product. "fuckup" implies it was a mistake. This was on purpose.
LiberatedCapsicum ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:54:01 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Regardless, it now takes 500% longer to open the search bar.
IVIaskerade ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 18:07:00 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not dumb, malicious.
OathOfFeanor ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 18:42:10 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What are you smoking?
It's CONVENIENT.
For years I keep telling people to stop searching all over their screen for something to click on.
"Just hit the little flag button on your keyboard, then type the first word of what you want and wait a few seconds to see the results"
BUT the search is pretty shitty as shown in OP, since it often does not work for partial matches. Nevertheless I don't understand how you can claim it is malicious that they don't force you to click a search button. Why do you want the process to be MORE complicated?
[deleted] ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 19:16:09 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The search field doesn't even show, though, and web searches likely to try to sell you something pop up first. I don't think malice is exactly a leap.
OathOfFeanor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:38:18 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor
Did you know that every iPhone or Mac does the same thing? It has a web search too when you use Spotlight. The only difference is that their search of the local computer isn't total hogshit, so you get the results you want before the web results.
I wouldn't be surprised if Android does the same thing, but I don't have one so I'm not sure.
Microsoft is just too incompetent to search the local computer in a reasonable amount of time, so you get web results instead.
TommyLaSortof ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:22:52 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It do
tojoso ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:55:45 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Being forced to click a search button is different than showing a search bar with a blinking cursor indicating that you can start typing right away. It is not at all intuitive to just start typing when there is no visible text input box. It doesn't have to be more complicated, but it should be more clear and intuitive.
OathOfFeanor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:59:35 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's fair, for new users it is not intuitive. Microsoft probably felt that since this was the fourth major OS they've sold that offers this functionality (that's right, you have been able to do this since Vista), they could finally get rid of the training wheels.
tojoso ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:07:25 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An intuitive UI is not training wheels. That's like removing the X from the top of every window and saying "well you can still click the top right corner to close a window, it's been that way since Windows 95! When can we take these training wheels off?!"
OathOfFeanor ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:47:34 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know what, that's fair.
I am always giving Apple a hard time "How was I supposed to know that holding Ctrl + Shift while swiping with 8 fingers was the secret password to unlock extra ammo?!"
ToastWithoutButter ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:08:01 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, that escalated quickly.
IVIaskerade ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:30 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Making it so that disabling Cortana also hides the search bar is malicious design, because it has to be deliberate.
Brazen_Serpent ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:33:26 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have disabled cortana fully. If i press the start button and start typing nothing happens at all.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:28:04 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Enderpig1398 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:42:20 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not using the pro version
HateMeMoreThanIDo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:51:07 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you disable cortana so web search is not on you cannot search in the start menu.
Demaun ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:40:23 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nopenopenope. You can still search apps and files much like Win7 without the bullshit that is Cortana. The bar is hidden until you start typing, though.
How? In Regedit, find the registry key: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\Windows Search
Add the Windows Search key if it is not present.
In this key, add a DWORD value. name: "AllowCortana" data: 0
A restart is necessary for any change to take effect.
Here's an article that goes into a tiny bit more depth
FriesWithThat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:57:09 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here's another step-by-step that I just followed. Quickly tested, and this works sweet, just like searching in file explorer as opposed to Bing!:
For reference, the end result in the Registry editor should look like the below screenshot:
https://i.imgur.com/13ozXYl.png
zHellas ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:31:50 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes you can. Just start typing.
HateMeMoreThanIDo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:38:55 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You figured it out!!!! I wasn't typing.../s
Do you really think I decided I could not search but never tried typing??
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:40 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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HateMeMoreThanIDo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:58:35 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or theres more than one way to disable Cortana?
zHellas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:20:51 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes.
Aidoboy ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:09:28 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Huh, I turned it off and I can still search.
iHeartApples ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 16:51:29 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I turned off Cortana now I have no search function.
Enderpig1398 ยท 97 points ยท Posted at 17:06:02 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can still search without Cortana. The search button disappears but if you press the start button and start typing, it will pull up the search thing.
KolbStomp ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 18:21:14 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, I turned off Cortana and thought I lost the ability to search but then I accidentally pressed a button after opening the Start menu and it searched. I was confused at first but then I realized it was just horrible UI decisions.
fatalicus ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 18:39:32 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ever since windows vista, you have had the ability to just press the windows key and start typing to search.
Nothing has changed in windows 10, other than that they have added win+s for the cortana search.
No need to press any additional buttons after opening start. just click the start button (or windows key) and start typing.
[EDIT] corrected windows 7 to vista, since the windows key search was added then.
tojoso ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:58:32 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure in Windows 7 the text input box with a blinking cursor showed up as soon as you pressed the windows key, as opposed to Windows 10 where it only shows up once you start typing a word. To generations of people trained to only type when there's a text box active on the screen, this is highly unintuitive.
FormerGameDev ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:41:24 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Windows 10 === Horrible UI decisions.
DrShamusBeaglehole ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:13:50 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Found the JavaScript developer
You're right though, windows 10 is the definition of bad UI decisions
FormerGameDev ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:29:54 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
100%
__Lua ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:35:03 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can still search properly, it just changes from the Cortana icon to the magnifying glass icon. Enable the icon in the taskbar.
KolbStomp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:36 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh interesting, I will do this when I get home
vitorgrs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:49:45 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, you did it wrong. You don't disabled Cortana then. You hide. To disable Cortana, you can go to Group Policy and fully disable it, or on Cortana settings, just sign-out of your account.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:52:47 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Enderpig1398 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:13:13 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Control Panel > Indexing Options > Modify
Then include any folder like Program Files that you want to be found when you search with Windows. Whenever you search for something, it will look in those folders. I feel like it should index Program Files by default, but it doesn't.
jothki ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:53:11 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is that new to the FCU? I'm running an earlier version and can see the search button fine. It even changes to a magnifying glass instead of the Cortana logo.
Enderpig1398 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:59:52 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I remember the magnifying glass but I don't have it anymore. I can't figure out how to get the magnifying glass back, but I'm sure the option is there. I'm running build 16299.
iHeartApples ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:01 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well fuck thanks for that. Annoying that I have to find out this way when Iโm not completely obtuse with computers.
Enderpig1398 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:59:29 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's ok. Learning from other people is usually better than trying to learn everything by yourself.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:52:37 on November 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Enderpig1398 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:43:43 on November 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe not right click and paste, but Ctrl + V works.
Solarbro ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 17:05:23 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This wonโt be all that helpful, but you can add a Windows Search value in the registry somewhere to replace Cortana. Iโd look it up but Iโm at work doing crap like this for clients.
A lot of Cortana and search item suggestions may not work anymore. It seems like they disable a work around per update. You used to be able to uninstall Cortana, now you canโt. Powershell warns you about โuninstalling essential OS materials is not allowedโ or some odd thing. Thatโs why I mostly do it through the registry, cause at least then it works. Until they do a big update and reset your OS registry values....
felio_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:16:37 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for doing this
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jtriangle ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:10:21 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you have a pro version of windows, you can use the group policy editor to solve this. You need to disable(disallow) cortana and web search results.
You can find the settings in: Computer Configuration->Windows Components->Search. Set "allow cortana" to disabled and "Do not allow web search to "enabled".
pohuing ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:21:24 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is absolutely overkill. Just open the start menu and start typing, the search will come up even with cortana disabled
fatalicus ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:40:46 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Press the windows key and start typing. just like it has been since windows vista.
LooCid36 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:28:53 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right click taskbar, Hover over search, click on Show search box
EarthlyAwakening ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:34:04 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I never had Cortana cause I'm in NZ, and not a single issue people have in Windows 10 has affected me. I love the OS and really hate eveything before it.
SpcK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:53:28 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would be fine, but It also disabled the Start menu pinned apps, Which I really liked.
antabr ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:03:18 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Such a ridiculous interconnected weaving of settings. I just want my windows 7 search bar back!
jantari ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:13:50 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not interconnected in the slightest, he's either just trolling or messed up other settings too
angrylawyer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:17:20 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Cortana search turns off, but you should still be able to search by clicking the windows button.
XavierRenae ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:09:39 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I use a program called ClassicShell to make my start menu look like window 7 again, and it gives me back all of the functionality it used to have.
walkintheforest1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:58:25 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I disabled Cortana but I think she still does the searches just doesn't talk
alrf536 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:13:40 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Posting for you too:
It is another setting. You have to enable Background Apps. Just the main switch, disable all the apps. I had the same problem as you and was about to give up until I found it. Now I can find programs again.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:09:58 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Got a link?
Thedirtyjersey ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:22:03 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, I Disabled Cortana, forced updates, location, one drive, etc etc
Fuck the cloud, stop shoving shit down my throat, I have a workflow that works most of these options just eat CPU or add extra steps to do the same fucking thing I always do.
ESPECIALLY in a corporate environment where every update wipes out my office settings, (fuck trust center too)
bobbaphet ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:42:28 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Again...and again...and again...
VoiceOfLondon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:50:59 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just download Ultimate Windows Tweaker. It's a lifesaver.
Custodian_Carl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:29:04 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I attempted to delete Cortana but it shares .dlls with windows explorer. Windows was just fine crippling itself through my action.
AllThat5634 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:09:57 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But the created will make the decisions from now on or are you wanna die?
johnmountain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:31:49 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I disabled web searches/Cortana from day one of using Windows 8 and then 10. It was obvious to me from the start how much worse the search was with those enabled.
I don't know how some of you lasted this long with Cortana enabled.
jslingrowd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:03:11 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cortana is a travesty
Hotfries456 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:17:53 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here is a powershell function that will disable cortana without needing to mess with the registry manually
specifically this command can be used in Powershell as an administrator
EnterTheLight ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 17:26:24 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not to be "that guy" but I decided to turn off windows 10 and turn on Ubuntu and I have been loving it.
flippydude ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 17:46:42 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
chillaxinbball ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:54:04 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is there a good tablet branch somewhere?
CharaNalaar ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:50:52 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Um, no. Disabling Cortana is what causes problems with search like this.
MemoryLapse ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:57:09 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No it isn't. Disabling Cortana disables searching outside of your computer and replaces her with the more traditional "Search" box.
Depending on your version, you may also have to disable web search.
https://superuser.com/questions/1196618/how-to-disable-internet-search-results-in-start-menu-post-creators-update
shillyshally ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 17:58:35 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have been using the Everything search for years. It is fantastic, so much better than the Windows default.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:59:09 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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shillyshally ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:05:02 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks, I will check it out.
frikin8 ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 17:13:13 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is a setting for that. Look for the "Disable web search results on a local computer" section for pictures. Just click on the search box, then select the settings cog to adjust search settings.
https://4sysops.com/archives/disable-web-search-in-the-windows-10-start-menu-via-group-policy/
joheinous ยท 69 points ยท Posted at 16:20:23 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I recently used classic shell to give myself the windows xp start menu and it doesn't search the web. So nice.
flaim ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 18:36:00 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I never thought I would need to re-install classic shell after Win8 but I guess I do now.
KennyFulgencio ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:49:44 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
huh? why not?
recluseMeteor ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:27:10 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because the ginormous full-screen Start Menu that was in Windows 8/8.1 was the main drive for the usage of Start Menu replacements.
pineappleshaverights ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:32:47 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Does searching for apps work?
joheinous ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 16:42:55 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like programs installed? Yeah.
timmie124 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:04:46 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Works great https://i.gyazo.com/61dd77fb3ee5e8de8b183b8123e0605b.png
Vladimir_Pooptin ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:58:20 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But how else would anyone be tricked into using Bing
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:12:07 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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jakeinator21 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:53:04 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Correct. Under "Cortana and Search settings" there is a toggle for "Search online and include web results".
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:02:22 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where? I clicked this and got here:
https://prnt.sc/hfzfs4
jakeinator21 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:11:44 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Try typing "Cortana & Search Settings", that's how I got to it.
Edit: Screen shots
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:23:45 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That must've been disabled in an update--"Cortana & Search Settings" is the same place in the 2nd link. :( Nothing at alll mentions "online" or "web results".
I disabled "Windows Cloud Search", but that seems to search mobile devices? I've disabled everything and I'm still getting web results.
Let me Google further. If I'm successful, I'll post back.
EDIT: Thank you for the screenshots, but that's not coming up for me. :( I'm on the Fall Creators Update, version 1709 via the Run "winver" command). Once I click "Settings", I get to this screen: https://prnt.sc/hfzfs4 I used to have that little menu built-into the Start Menu, but now it opens the full-fledged Settings app.
EDIT2: This .reg file worked, from TenForums, after merging the edit and restarting!
https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/25118-enable-disable-cortana-windows-10-a.html
jakeinator21 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:53:22 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, I'm on 1607. Not sure how that happened, I thought I was getting automatic updates.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:55:21 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, no worries. The rollout of the updates...is weird. I was waiting for the update and it came up after specifically tapping "Check for Updates"? I think /u/jenmsft said that should work now.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:50:26 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously. They make it seem like itโs so convienent, because itโs so difficult to use google right? And itโs useless anyway because it automatically uses bing
tooyoung_tooold ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:46:09 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They have that, it just turns itself back on after every update though. Pretty much all the annoying things get turned back on by the updates.
Anxiety_Mining_INC ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:22:36 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think anyone has ever used that bar with the intention of searching stuff on the web. Talk about an annoying "feature."
Georgia_O_Queeffe ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:16:30 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Worst part is, it often can't even be relied on to find regular old documents. I have a Word document where I keep baking recipes I tried and liked, it's sitting in a folder in "My Documents", and the search function is literally unable to find it, even when I type the exact file name ("recipes.doc"). I tried other files, and there are a bunch that apparently don't exist as far as the search function is concerned. I can browse to the correct folder and open the file just fine, but Windows search can't see them.
WillSmoth ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:13:00 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You should know better than trying to use Window search function.
IJCQYR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:26:23 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll just leave this here
https://www.voidtools.com/
SoVerySick314159 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:23:13 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So fast, so lightweight. I only ever want to search on filenames, so that works great for me.
IJCQYR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:14:08 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can also set a global shortcut for the window to appear.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:29 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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jakeinator21 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:54:44 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You don't need shutup10, there is a toggle for it in Cortana's settings.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:07:37 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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jakeinator21 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:21:47 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm looking at it right now.
https://i.imgur.com/mW9zD3B.png
https://i.imgur.com/sQcwt4V.png
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:24 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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jakeinator21 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:21 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First Class Underdog?
Also yea you're right, I didn't realize I was on an older build, my mistake.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:14:02 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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jakeinator21 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:06:29 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm on fcu on my home pc, but I guess my work pc is blocking automatic updates.
mustdashgaming ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:32:46 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean edge? Because they're just saying you time so you don't have to open edge, because who would use anything other than edge?
YourCompanyHere ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:02:44 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not mention the opportunity for unwanted results, I was sharing my screen in a committee meeting with a client and wanted to spin a VM to show something, I hit WINKEY and typed Oracl and hit enter (Oracle VirtualBox), only I missed the C and it instantly open the web images results for "Oral", luckly nothing NSFW showed.
TheOneWhoReadsStuff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:27:45 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Youโve gotta turn off โsafe searchโ in bing to get to the fun stuff. Personally Iโm glad they have safe search. when you turn it off you get the filthiest browser in existence.
walkintheforest1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:57:39 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Truth
TheOneWhoReadsStuff ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:29:07 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Donโt get me wrong, Iโm enjoying Windows 10. I think they did a fine job. Itโs just not exactly perfect, and theyโre trying so damned hard to expand their bing and store user base
theSecondMouse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:01:13 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Install Launchy. I haven't used the start menu in years thanks to that, its fantastic.
OldGuyWhoSitsInFront ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:15:38 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If they could build in a feature to have it suck your dick in exchange for using Bing and IE they just might.
shamowfski ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:33:27 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Download 'everything' from ninite. You can also pair it with wox and get a decent spotlight clone.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:58:11 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I totally agree. I think Microsoft needs to quit pushing Microsoft Edge in our faces. I simply just want to search items in my computer, not search the web and or sure Edge to search the web with.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:22:03 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ya agreed, anything I type into the damn search bar to try and find something on my pc brings up internet searches of people asking where do they find the same thing on their pc... what's the God damn point of a search function if it's best use is to just inform me that no one else can find it on theirs either....
TheOneWhoReadsStuff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:32:06 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. Thatโs my biggest gripe with 10. Search needs to remain untainted by the web.
bobsagetfullhouse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:52:23 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously. Who thinks, I need to do a web search, let me go to cortana.
bobsagetfullhouse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:52:51 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously. Who thinks, I need to do a web search, let me go to cortana.
dohimer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:49:40 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
High jacking the top comment.
Has Microsoft said anything about fixing search?
toekneeg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:49:32 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unfortunately, most users of PCs are clueless and this probably benefits them more than the rest of us that actually know how to use a computer. This should be an option on Pro versions of Win10 at least.
AwesomelyHumble ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:15:52 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would like this for Google Hangouts. I don't want to search ALL of Google Hangouts for "Tim", just search my contacts.
hunt_the_gunt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:01:15 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just installed classic shell.
I'm getting old or something but it just works and doesn't accidentally Bing me.
Gadsden ยท 372 points ยท Posted at 14:44:39 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even better is that it's not consistent. What you get a result for one time, may not work the next, and vise versa.
SabashChandraBose ยท 83 points ยท Posted at 16:46:31 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Heck it doesn't work for Office products either. I typed Outlook and it didn't find it.
akai_ferret ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 18:04:11 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes! Thank you!
It's been driving me crazy how I can search with the same exact terms, even for Microsoft Office programs, and one day it will work and the next it won't find anything.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:48:41 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That might be an issue with your search index. It either doesn't include the right folders or it is corrupt. Or the third option, maybe windows is just that bad.
I'd try rebuilding your search index, and look for what folders are included by default.
$0.02
Renaldi_the_Multi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:25:07 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is there a setting to do that in the start menu?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:13:49 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nope, MSFT doesn't care if your search fails :)
See my reply below. The steps are not so bad. GL
vitorgrs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:51:29 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How they don't care?
Settings > Update & Security > Troubleshoot > Search & Indexing.
SabashChandraBose ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:02:00 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I understand what you said, but I don't knowhow to do that. However I could figure that out by searching. But not everyone has a background in software, and this is really softwaregore
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:11:59 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Okay so, quick and easy version (it is pretty simple, difficulty is another matter :)
or
next
fatalicus ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:47:03 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
wat?
[EDIT] Aww, did i ruin someones cirklejerk?
MrRobotsBitch ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 20:19:03 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My favourite is anything up to "updat" will bring me to windows updates. Type anything more? Oh no look no results! Fucking Windows.
SavageAlien ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:12:33 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I get to "update" with "Check for Updates" as the result, once I add the s at the end, it suggests Java "Check for Updates" as Best Match, listing 5 other results, all Windows related update links under the heading "Settings"
oliverspin ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 16:37:40 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it adapts to your use, so it is consistent, but people arenโt.
Medason ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:48:50 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I work at a college, with computers that hundreds of people access a week. Less adaptation would be nice.
oliverspin ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 16:55:45 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All I can recommend is watch the results as you type each letter. If search displays your result after three letters but you donโt click it, it will assume thatโs not your result.
Philip_K_Fry ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:09:22 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If that is the case that is the stupidest thing I have heard in some time.
oliverspin ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:48:40 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs an attempt at a smarter search function. While the function lacks scope, it is an interesting concept. If people knew how it worked they would be less frustrated.
KevinCarbonara ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:52:08 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is the definition of a dumber search function.
oliverspin ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:42:20 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The idea is to make commonly used functions accesible more quickly. So, if you search for something starting with โAโ very frequently, but have hundreds of items that also start with โAโ the system will suggest the frequently clicked one earlier, lessening the time to get to that item.
Not sure why Iโm being downvoted. Iโve said multiple times now that it isnโt a complete concept, doesnโt work well in all cases. Iโm just explaining why search is like this.
akai_ferret ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:19:11 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If true, that is an astonishingly stupid design.
zopiac ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:24:29 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It definitely seems to happen to me. Might be some sort of selection bias, but I'll watch as I type and halfway through I see my result, but by the time I get my fingers to stop typing it switches to something else and what I'm looking for is gone completely.
oliverspin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:49:50 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly.
oliverspin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:49:26 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs definitely incomplete. Itโs an interesting concept, though.
Gadsden ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:03:06 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I could maybe see that for online content matching, but there's no excuse for 'regedi' not matching regedit, but reged or regedit do. Sometimes, hitting backspace to remove a letter will show you what you're looking for.
[deleted] ยท 865 points ยท Posted at 15:32:50 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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TribbleTrouble1979 ยท 99 points ยท Posted at 15:53:56 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I swear "programs and features" didn't get me to the place to uninstall things the other week but I just checked since I was going to complain about it too and it works now so... Eh. Thanks to whomever for the stealth fix I suppose, lol.
Frank2312 ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 18:06:49 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Win+X shows up a menu near the Windows button. All those options can be accessed with a key.
For example, "Programs and Features can be accessed easily by pressing Win+X then F.
I don't know them all, but IIRC, control panel is P.
TribbleTrouble1979 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:16:54 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love you too. I'm a bit weird and put my start bar on the right side but interestingly this shortcut still opens in the bottom left corner.
stephnstephnstuff ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:40:49 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I put mine on the left side, so you're not the only weird one out there lol. It really threw off a tech at work one day when they had to fix something on my machine.
AccidentalConception ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:11:44 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That doesn't work, it's been changed to Apps and Features and takes you to the metro version.
Frank2312 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:29:01 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just press T instead of F then.
TBH, I haven't had any problem with the metro version since they added the filter function.
patrad ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:38:01 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In my current Win10 version, there is no control panel option on the win+x menu
way2lazy2care ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:48:02 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder if it's just not displayed but still works. It should be Win+X and then P.
patrad ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:18:21 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I get the "nope" sound when I try that.
wetnax ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:47:55 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can also just right-click the start button.
rahuldottech ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:20:19 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They removed the Control Panel option in one of the updates a month ago or so. I'm still bitter.
bencanfield ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 17:24:56 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
appwiz.cpl
TribbleTrouble1979 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:19:18 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's my old friend programs and features!
Rndom_Gy_159 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:05:12 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Such a nice and intuitive name that comes up right when you start typing doesn't it?
moiax ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:58:25 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you right click on the start menu icon, it's at the top of the context menu.
tael89 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:08:19 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That had been replaced with an awful โapps and programsโ version which sucks ass.
TribbleTrouble1979 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:15:10 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love you <3
mavvv ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:44:54 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Uninstall" takes you to the apps and programs for u installing everything on a fresh os. If, however, you have any thing downloaded that has an Uninstall file with that word in it, search will then grab that forever and you can't just type Uninstall to find that anymore
TribbleTrouble1979 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:59:10 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks I'll try to avoid that permanent wrongness from happening.
ihatenewaccts ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:23:42 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There was an actual update fix to the settings recently. I read about it a little bit.
Programs and features I think is now "add or remove programs."
I like the storage menu the best because I can also see if my video collection is getting out of control.
jen1980 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:05:54 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or "add or remove programs." Why can't Microsoft find that?
Mayor_of_tittycity ยท 90 points ยท Posted at 17:32:17 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Windows 7 search worked perfectly for me. How the fuck did they go and take something that worked as well as that and turn it into a completely useless steaming pile of shit. 90% of the time i use search in Windows 10 it doesn't work.
Dlgredael ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 18:17:40 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's more important to direct as many users as possible to online purchasable options for the 0.01% that will actually buy something from their start menu than it is to give a decent user experience to everyone else.
way2lazy2care ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:48:30 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's more to push people towards edge than it is to push them to the app store.
Deto ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:26:14 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Must have been feature creep. Bosses demanding "Oh, it should also search the internet and if they type in a football team it should bring up their win/loss record and if they type in something that relates to something in their email it should show the email and if it's a date it should show their calendar entry and ifitsa....."
All while losing site of the main useful way to use search....as a convenient application launcher!
kenpus ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:04:39 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Win7 also had pinned apps that could actually be accessed with Win, Down. Initial version of Win10 made it something like Win, Down, Right, Down. After the Anniversary Update, it's Win, Shift+Tab, Down. At this point I started to just mouse-click it, but fucking hell...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:02:38 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The classic shell start menu works exactly like windows 7 and looks integrated into the Windows 10 design.
https://i.imgur.com/r7YCqFs.png
chylex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:51:32 on December 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They took calculator and broke decimal points in european locales. Still one of the most ridiculous findings I've had in Win10, leading me to immediately replace it with Win7 one.
HOW DID THEY MANAGE TO MAKE THE CALCULATOR WORSE
fatalicus ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:51 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
rebuild your search index. It has probably been fucked at some point.
Mayor_of_tittycity ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:31:53 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Na. I've tried that. It's said index is up to date or whatever when I've attempted to update it. I could try to delete it and have it rebuilt from scratch? It literally works for nothing other than core commands. Like if i need control panel, or devices, or run, and maybe only 30% of programs. If it's not something I have pinned I often need to go to program files to find the .exe. But it will not find a file or folder the life of it. It defaults to the bullshit web search. It will NEVER find "the mayor's porn" folder, teentakesbigload.mp4, or anything along those lines.
fatalicus ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:12:59 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You use the rebuild button in the advanced panel of Indexing options?
That will delete the whole index and then make a new index.
Mayor_of_tittycity ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:46:25 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll try this when I get home. Worth a shot.
Edit: did not work. W10 is still a piece of shit.
mka696 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:05:08 on November 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've rebuilt my search index probably 30 times and it has never, ever worked in the slightest. Ever time I got a search issue I'd try it and zilch. I just switched to Classic Shell and that actually works.
the_dayman ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 17:56:25 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, "bluetooth" gets me nothing, which I type instantly. Backspace to just "blue" and "Bluetooth and other devices" suddenly shows up.
FeebleGimmick ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:34:48 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Works OK for me
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:18:55 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's different on every single machine i swear. Nothing about the search is uniform.
splendidfd ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:24:16 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is partially because it customises the results to what you've selected in the past.
If you typed 'bluetooth' and selected a web search option (intentionally or otherwise) then it will put that option at the top of the search results. Similarly if you type 'blue' and selected the Bluetooth settings option.
This is why if it gives you a suggestion and you keep typing the same the suggestion can jump away to something else.
sbabster ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:27:27 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
save the below text in a text editor, then save as controlpanel.reg to anywhere locally, then run it. It will add the control panel to the right click context menu when you right click the desktop, above display settings and personalize, and even includes the icon:
Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00
[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\DesktopBackground\Shell\Control Panel]
"icon"="control.exe"
"position"="bottom"
[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\DesktopBackground\Shell\Control Panel\command]
@="control.exe"
anomalousBits ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:06:09 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Saving for later. This is great.
al3xst ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:49:43 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You missed a bracket '[' before the second HKEY_CLASSES... apart from that, thanks!
sbabster ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:10:24 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for the heads up, fixed.
f5f5f5f5f5f5f5f5f5f5 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:59:03 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The nice workaround is that you can open the start menu and still no not find it manually. So even though search is slow as hell, it's still faster than using the start menu.
I installed the Everything search tool.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:08:56 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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epsiblivion ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:50:45 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it's gone in 1709 (and possibly 1703, I don't remember). I just do
win+r, controlKoutou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:27:57 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you want to add it back: https://winaero.com/comment.php?comment.news.30
epsiblivion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:30:50 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
tried it before. did not work for me.
Koutou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:44:07 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You have to add a & before the letter you want as the key shortcut.
https://i.imgur.com/ee0QVAV.png in my case, the u will be the shortcut. win+x -> u
psivenn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:52:21 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Control Panel sometimes brings it up but half the time it lists the joysticks and gamepads Control Panel first, with the same name but a little joystick icon.
Nvidia Control Panel seems to hide itself entirely from search 90% of the time when I update the drivers...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:01:48 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
protip for nvidia control panel just right click on the desktop and its in the context menu
slykrysis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:48:47 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Con" gets it for me every time.
jakeinator21 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:27 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I get it with "Co"
kenpus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:06:01 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It depends on how often you've picked it. For me, "Co" selects Command Prompt, "Con" selects "Settings". Only "Contr" selects Control Panel.
In Win7: "co pa Enter", done...
dyers3001 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:22:13 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Control[enter]
Will open control panel as control.exe is the actual program executable for control panel.
VodkaHappens ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:19:27 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cannot confirm, I tried control panel and several control panel options and they all showed up.
Same for the tablets I use for work, some bugged versions of windows, or updates maybe? Who knows.
xW4RP ยท 2274 points ยท Posted at 13:45:48 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I see everybody saying this is because regedit isnโt supposed to show up unless you know what youโre looking for and all that, but this regularly happens to me when looking for things that arenโt potentially system destroying.
INeedAFreeUsername ยท 1038 points ยท Posted at 15:23:40 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really dislike that my OS gets to decide what I can look up in the search. It is annoying and that search fonction is, IMHO, really bad most of the time
Reacher-Said-Nothing ยท 796 points ยท Posted at 15:42:05 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Windows 10 in a nutshell.
INeedAFreeUsername ยท 153 points ยท Posted at 15:55:01 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep really ! I didn't realised that until I installed my first GNU/Linux distro, where you have all the freedom you could dream of.
I think it would be cool if all the schools presented all the OSs that exist instead of just Windows.
Anyway, if anyone reading that is into computer and have some free time, I'd reccomend you to install a Linux distro, it is really fun and you can learn a lot of stuff about computers!
[deleted] ยท 77 points ยท Posted at 16:05:09 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
University will absolutely expose you to Linux, at least if you're taking any subject that touches on computer science.
My high school was using Linux on every machine in 1995. It was ready for the desktop then and it's ready now. The problem is the inertia in people to keep using what is familiar instead of being brave and trying something new.
dragonfangxl ยท 58 points ยท Posted at 16:28:32 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's nice that you can make it work, but imo, for most people, there's no reason to use Linux for a desktop environment.
VersalEszett ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:06:05 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, it's the other way round: For most people, there's no reason for running Windows (except that it's preinstalled). ChromeOS and Ubuntu/Fedora/Debian/... can run Facebook and email just fine.
npc_barney ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:59:24 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except that most people would want to use Microsoft Office and everything in an environment they are familiar with.
VersalEszett ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:27:11 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's pretty subjective. I'd argue that most people will be fine with Libre/Caligra Office or Google Docs. Perhaps many of them won't even notice a difference.
INeedAFreeUsername ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 16:42:05 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well for some people the reason can be the price or the need to protect their privacy. I had a teacher who was really bad at IT but she used a Ubuntu distro.
But yeah for most people there is no difference, they just keep using Windows because it's what they're used to
[deleted] ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 17:50:33 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Pixelgin ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:43:41 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well people already do do that. Redhat/CentOs are huge in the corporate environment. A ton of business applications run on, and are built for Linux.
From a desktop users point of view, applications are written for where the money is. The consumer market for Linux is tiny so there's not a whole lot of money to be made. Likewise Linux users go crazy if something isn't open source which makes the ability to sell them closed sourced software even harder. To be frank it's not really worth it.
For gaming Linux might be a more realistic platform in the near future. Microsoft really gimped other platforms via DirectX. If vulkan actually takes off you should see a lot more cross platform titles.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:57:35 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Maxdec94 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:11:42 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
OS is almost there, but hardware... not so much. Macs just don't have the power to play AAA titles on full graphics. Also the fact that you can't upgrade the hardware, so the only way would be to run Hackintosh on a PC and that can have lots of problems depending on the hardware being used etc.
I set up a Hackintosh machine few years ago (second PC with Q6600), it worked for 2 days and then kernel panicked out of nowhere. Didn't boot after that and I couldn't be bothered to start figuring out the issue because I had just fiddled with kext files for many hours to even get the video card working (it showed only half the picture, the top bar was at the middle of the screen and the dock etc went way outside of the bottom), so I just installed Windows back.
Pixelgin ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:28:40 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sort of. I actually exclusively use MacOs and Linux at home. They're pretty diffent. In regards to games Macs have very few major titles available. The majority are older games, and of those most of them run on OpenGL which works on both Linux and Mac. That API isn't very efficient and leads to poor performance. Apple's preferred API is metal which offers way better performance, but is exclusive to MacOs.
Metal is rarely implemented in games, and even when it is it tends to be buggy. I play quite a few Blizzard games on my Mac, and those all list Metal as Beta (even though it's been out for a bit) and you get some graphical bugs through using it.
Macs have definitely solved the consumer market issue (to an extent. It's still small) that Linux has. However MacOs isn't open source and the insistence on OSS isn't a demand of their consumer base.
xxkid123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:04:21 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Likewise I don't see the Mac gaming market expanding easily in the future. Computer gamers tend to gravitate towards either towards prebuilts with big numbers or custom rigs. Apple has always marketed itself around providing exceptional built quality and reliability. They would need to compete on price and raw numbers to beat out the prebuilt desktop market, which is dominated by behemoth glowing machines marketed specifically to gamers.
I could see it growing if Apple stuck a new CPU and an AMD 580/Vega 56 in the Mac pro chassis, and then sold it at a competitive price to gamers (whereas prosumers using it for production care much less about value), but I highly doubt apple wants to compete on price.
Pixelgin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:21:20 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The problem with AMD is the TDP. Apple likes small and sleek. That design isn't great for heat dissipation, and AMD GPUs tend to run pretty hot. I recently built a hackintosh in a streacom DB4 chassis. I wanted an AMD card for native support, but had to pass on it since there was no way I could adequately cool the cards.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:02:22 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Pixelgin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:17:27 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For a comparison of big titles go to Steam and compare windows top sellers to Mac. Most of the games listed are either not too popular or older.
I've got nothing against older games. I frequently play them. A good chunk of people who identify as gamers though want to play the latest and greatest. Until you start to see more of an overlap between top games between windows and Mac I would hesitate to recommend it for anyone interested in games. At the very least it would need to have proper attention given for metal implementation.
Even though I like metal I think Apple would have been better off supporting vulkan along with windows and Linux.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:04:07 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Con confirm. Work at an MSP. Roughly 90% RHEL, 5% other Linux/Unix distros and 5% Windows installed on ~10.000 hosts.
bHarv44 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:08:05 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I remember correctly, back around 2006-2008ish Dell tried this with Ubuntu (hell maybe they still do, I donโt know). They had great drivers and support for laptops/desktops and advertised it as a cheaper alternative - thinking it was around $100 less than their Windows counterpart. Problem was, it didnโt feel as familiar and people still bought Windows machines because the price was justifiable if they were already spending $500+.
Would have been great if it would have taken off but it was just too โout of the normโ for your general users.
Side note: Iโve seen a massive amount of adoption with Chromebooks and your basic users (mostly driven by the cheap prices). At least itโs something of an alternative to Windows-based everything I guess?!
INeedAFreeUsername ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:01:00 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
right. Gaming and photoshop
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:21:22 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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INeedAFreeUsername ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:34:12 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yeah actually I can picture them, they'd only use firefox ! Obviously I would have to set up the system myself.
probably2high ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:15:45 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
While I agree, I'd also argue that, for most people, there's no reason not to use linux for a desktop environment. Unless you're gaming, or have a specific need for software that is explicitly made for Windows, most users wouldn't run into any more issues than they would in a typical Windows environment. Most hardware works out of the box, and mainstream distros are far more user-friendly than they get credit for.
Abounding ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:20:45 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a computer science major and I use windows on my desktop machine because of driver support.
I use linux on my secondary machine for when i need it.
dragonfangxl ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:41:16 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I work IT. its a gigantic pain in the ass to fix linux desktop issues (which happen just as frequently if not more frequently than windows issues.) windows desktop issues i will eventually get it working if given enough time
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:44:41 on November 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I personally use a Mac, but I write software that runs on Linux servers that people on any OS can use through the browser. We no longer live in a world where you can be anything other than a platform agnostic if you want to get ahead in IT.
alienith ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 16:25:07 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think I did any windows-specific programming when I was at my university. Even my operating systems course pretty much just talked about Linux (or rather POSIX systems). When you first start with computers and programming, Windows seems standard and everything else seems like the odd-ball. The more you learn, the more you realize that everything else is standardized, and windows is the complete oddball.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:45:08 on November 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Windows is bloody weird. Sometimes in good ways, sometimes in ways that only make any sense at all with a lot of historical context.
INeedAFreeUsername ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:50:26 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well that's what I thought, but after two year in a french university (Debian on all the computers) I moved to Canada and in my class, nobody had ever used Linux! (they did a 2 years IT diploma just like me)
Well maybe it's just pure luck but they all did only Microsoft stuff (.NET, C#,...) on Windows. So during the labs I'm the only one booting Linux on the school computers.
But once again maybe it's just luck, and I'm not saying that everybody should use Linux: just that people should know what exists and then make a choice
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:16:59 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:46:32 on November 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As mentioned, Debian Buzz, and before that I think Slackware, though I wasnโt there at the time. By grade 12 in 2000 I was helping with deploying diskless PXE boot to the machines.
It was an exciting time. Far more fun for a learning IT nerd than windows would have been. We had Blender on the desktops as our art class in 99.
ErixTheRed ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:39:24 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd disagree with that first paragraph. Seems like a gross over simplification. I've taken VB.NET and some PLC programming and never touched Linux
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:42:40 on November 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, if youโre still in the university environment, Iโd definitely recommend you get some exposure. Microsoft treats Linux as a first class citizen these days on the server side - witness the Linux subsystems for Windows, Docker support, Linux on Azure, MS SQL server for Linux, etc.
Daedeluss ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:30:55 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not really. Linux distributions have been really good for years - the problem is there is zero software for Linux, at least nothing useful.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:43:45 on November 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The definition of software is changing from desktop applications to browser apps. Those run fine on Linux in the same browser youโd use on any other platform. Office and games are the only things missing; for many people that is no longer a deal breaker.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:08 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Daedeluss ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:54:23 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Consumer software is what I obviously was referring to e.g. games, Photoshop.
Be careful what accusations you make when you know nothing about my background.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:41:28 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ill take your bait. consumer software? photoshop? shut up man. ofc there are people that need their software to work well, but:
is wrong on so much levels.
Daedeluss ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:47:19 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
was the original post I replied to. Note the use of the word 'desktop'. I am well aware that the internet is powered by linux farms but for the average Joe who wants a DESKTOP computer, there is no software for them, or not enough to make them switch from Windows or OSX, even if they wanted to.
FormerGameDev ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:51:56 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, bullshit. X barely functioned in 1995 on Linux, and many of us (such as me) were patching the kernels at that point in time, just to make networking or other absolute basic things function. I'd believe you if you'd picked any other Unix like system in existence, but Linux, in 1995, wasn't being used by pretty much anybody who wasn't a kernel or other systems-level hacker - because at that point you had to be just to get it to boot on hardware outside of what Linus himself had.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:48 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I too built the kernel on boxes where it took eight hours. Nevertheless, if you were smart and bought hardware specifically for compatibility rather than whatever was cheap at your local store, you could get XFree86 working really really well even in โ95.
I swear to god it was on a hundred computers across a high school with a 10mb LAN in 1996. Floppy disk booting to read-only root on NFS, X, Netscape 3. Debian Buzz. Custom kernel with a RAM disk built for just those machines. It was great, and itโs the reason why Iโm a senior cloud engineer now.
recluseMeteor ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:28:39 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Though I like Linux distributions and I use them sometimes, I can't stand some pieces of software like LibreOffice/OpenOffice when compared to the "real thing."
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:01 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Theyโre usable. Just like how Google Docs is usable. I too prefer Word.
Reacher-Said-Nothing ยท 56 points ยท Posted at 16:10:04 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love linux, my problem was that it wasn't great for gaming. And I'm not talking about the selection of games, I'm talking about hardware support. I couldn't get things like my drive bay LCD screen working, or anything to do with RGB. There's only one program in the whole world of linux that can measure temps, lm-sensors, and if it doesn't support your chipsets, you're SOL. Same goes for fan speeds. And the graphics drivers always seemed like they were 2 steps behind - while nvidia in Windows was just getting support for "fast" lag-free v-sync, nvidia in Linux just got the ability to let you change the default anti-aliasing settings - that sort of thing.
INeedAFreeUsername ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 16:17:34 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah gaming on Linux is very limited right now, and
any support of modern hardwaresupport of Nvidia graphic chips and optimus architecture is difficult. Though I really hope it gets better with time.[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:05:33 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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jantari ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:19:17 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That heavily depends on the exact kernel version you're running. Until 4.13 (which is not gonna be in any LTS distro), my bog-standard Realtek wired Gigabit Ethernet chip wasn't supported. L M F A O @ not supporting every possible ethernet chip in 2017, as if there's more than 3 manufacturers - that was pretty embarrassing.
INeedAFreeUsername ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:08:02 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah that's the only think I thought of. My phrasing isn't good on this one. There is also issues with some distros on modern laptops. But yeah "modern" is definitely not right I'll correct it
FormerGameDev ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:46:48 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Multi-head / multi-video-card display setups range anywhere from "extremely difficult" to "nigh impossible". Modern distributions no longer work on systems with Nvidia Quadro. High-DPI systems are basically fux0red, even more so if you have a mix of High-DPI and standard displays. Sound hardware support is basically like revisiting 1990, if even that.
If it's hardware that a server would use, or a mobile device, you're probably in good shape.
okmkz ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:24:27 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
indie gaming on Linux is pretty great, steam makes it really easy
INeedAFreeUsername ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:34:29 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yeah but that's when you have your nvidia drivers installed and correctly configured. On some distro it is really difficult. But yeah I enjoyed some KSP, darkest dungeon, ... Games on linux
okmkz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:40:42 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I guess that's probably more of an issue with laptops, I buy cards that have known Linux support and never have an issue
INeedAFreeUsername ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:45:06 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yeah, definitely. Laptop support isn't great yet. But I have good hope for the future.
That's great for you ! What card do you buy ?
pomlife ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:09:30 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Off topic: are you French?
INeedAFreeUsername ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:12:02 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Haha, you got me : "I have good hope for the future", I knew it wasn't correct english !
Tu es
franรงaisfrancophone รฉgalement, j'imagine ?pomlife ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:45:13 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, I just noticed the space before the punctuation :)
INeedAFreeUsername ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:48:38 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, this is a really good typographic awarness! <-- note that correct english spacing!
You must be Sherlock or something like that :)
okmkz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:34:23 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have a 970, don't remember what vendor off the top of my head
INeedAFreeUsername ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:41:51 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh ok, I thought AMD was more supportive for Linux platforms, so I imagined you got an AMD
okmkz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:50:02 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've had it for a few years and AMD has definitely improved in the meantime. When it comes time to upgrade in another year or so I'll definitely check out their lineup
henryroo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:18:41 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, these days AMD has a high-quality fully open source driver stack, so their cards work perfectly right out of the box in Linux for the most part. Nvidia refuses to release open source drivers, so there are two different sets: their proprietary drivers (which usually work well, but can be weird in various ways and aren't kept up to date automatically) or the open source drivers that the community has reverse-engineered, which aren't as good.
Until Nvidia starts supporting open source, I'll just be buying AMD.
jantari ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:17:12 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Steam is not FOSS though and you don't own the games so you might as well run it under Windows and enjoy the full selection of games
okmkz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:19:19 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't see how that was even implied, but you're right. I don't want to run windows because I like using Linux. I don't mind non-libre games, however.
luridyellow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:04:27 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, support of Nvidia and Optimus is quite good right now, just that it doesn't work out of the box and, well, the information how to configure it properly is hard to find (and most people on the internet have no clue, so they give you answers that don't work).
But yes, the software support is there, just nobody cares that it takes a good week to set it up if you don't already have the knowledge and get unlucky.
INeedAFreeUsername ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:41:45 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok I didn't know it was ok. I tried when I was on Debian (not the best for that I'll admit it) and I just couldn't get it working, after countless crashes of the X server :)
But I'm curious how you managed to make it work (I'm obviously not asking an in-depth explanation, just the idea) because I was directed to Bumblebee but the software is not maintained anymore
luridyellow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:54:11 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, when I first installed Debian I just gave up trying to get the Nvidia card to work. I didn't get X crashes though, so maybe there's a bug related to your setup specifically.
I don't remember what exactly I did last time when I installed bumblebee, but roughly what worked on Debian Jessie:
BTW, don't bother visiting forums, and take advice from stackoverflow-like sites with grain of salt. They're clueless and repeat the same answers that worked for someone but obviously don't work in general. ArchWiki is helpful, but it answers maybe 50% of the questions I had.
INeedAFreeUsername ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:13:51 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for the advice !
Well I'm on fedora now and I'm just fine with the nouveau driver : i can play 2d games and emulate the NGC so I'm cool with that
but I'm definitely saving your answer for later use, even though I already kind of tried it.
But yeah I learned the hard way that you don't run commands you don't understand !
luridyellow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:08:02 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, the nouveau driver is supposed to have limited support of Optimus (without Bumblebee installed, otherwise it conflicts). Supposed, it seems that programs get the OpenGL 2 context from the Intel card no matter what I do.
FormerGameDev ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:43:11 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Having been a Linux user for more than 20 years at this point, I hate Linux with a passion now. Add on top of that, that there's not a single machine in my house, of which we have about a dozen, that it actually works right on.
GNU is more likely to work on Windows than on Linux now.
SathedIT ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:55:02 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Funny enough... I have the exact opposite experience...
aliniazi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:49:59 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm just sitting here with my windows 7. Don't look at me im and old man apparently.
ItsNotBinary ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:00:53 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love the idea of open source software, but the zealous community is disgusting to deal with, it's very limited in innovation (a lot of software wouldn't have half the functionality if it's proprietary counterpart didn't introduce the idea) and has too much draw the rest of the fucking owl about it.
Also I don't want to learn a lot of stuff about computers, I want computers to make my life easier, and as much as I dislike microsoft and apple, their convenience still trumps the things I have to give up by not using an open source based system.
INeedAFreeUsername ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:07:09 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fair enough, you do you.
But the free software community is (i think i'm not a pro) not always zealous
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:05:45 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's great that you found an OS that suits you as a user. Whenever I see people complain that an OS doesn't do X, I suggest Linux. Make it however you want it to be.
I am a very lazy person. I also am decent with finding my own answers to things or dealing with how things work. Win10 is fine for me. I like the homogenized OS environment. Someone has likely had my issue before and aside from a few hardware/software differences I can bet that the solution is at least somewhat relevant. I dislike Linux because I don't want to solve problems constantly. That and I game. Linux probably has some application that can run Windows in a virtual machine but why add more to the Rube Goldberg machine that is the PC.
INeedAFreeUsername ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:14:16 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah that's great!
I like that you actually use Windows because you actually like it, whether than because it is the OS that comes preinstalled on your computer.
I wish more people were aware of the choice they have.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:42:01 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wasn't going for a backhanded compliment.
INeedAFreeUsername ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:11:05 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry, what's a backhanded compliment ? (am not english)
10art1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:19:18 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are there any Linux-based OSs that look and feel like Windows 7? I really like Windows 7 but it's going to be obsolete one day and I don't have high hopes for Microsoft at this point.
INeedAFreeUsername ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:50:03 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The fun thing with Linux distros is that they don't have a look. they come with a default DE (desktop environment), which is their look, but you can install an other one later, and some are made to look like Windows.
However, the feel will be different. You don't install software the same way, ...
unampho ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:46:13 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kinda manjaro
Crannogbruh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:52:43 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Zorin OS may fit your needs.
Amj161 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:36:25 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love Linux and live my life in a VM, but I'm having trouble dual booting with Windows and Linux. Did you manage to get that to work?
INeedAFreeUsername ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:58:02 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep ! I use Windows for gaming and some softwares, and Linux for all the fun and programming (and some games as well)
Although it works just fine, some Windows updates broke my boot on the past. I just had a black screen with nothing when booting. It is very unlikely it happens to you but it's an outcome you mist considerif you wanna make a dual boot.
What is your problem with your dual boot ? I'd be happy to help if I can.
Amj161 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:12:40 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cool! That's basically what I'm trying to do but my laptop is being uncooperative...
My main issue is that when I install Linux, it installs fine and boots fine. But as soon as I reopen windows, it kills my grub boot manager and I can't boot into Linux again. Not sure how or why this is happening, but windows isn't playing nice
INeedAFreeUsername ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:22:36 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mmh.. What distro are you trying to install ?
What it seems to indicate is that you dont actually install grub on the boot sector so Windows boots as usual
Amj161 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:33:40 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm that could be it! And I was trying to install Ubuntu, and then when that didn't work I tried Kali as I need Kali for class anyways
INeedAFreeUsername ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:55:56 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have you tried to
# grub-installonce you're on your ubuntu ?edit: you'll maybe need to grub-update as well
Amj161 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:18:10 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait so like when I boot in the first time try grub-install?
INeedAFreeUsername ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:28:40 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
well it helped me some times but i'd recommend you to read some documentation on that.
but this is supposed to be automatic. Did you create a /boot partition yourself ?
Amj161 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:36:47 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, that's what I did the first time and when that didn't work I tried without. Nothing either way
INeedAFreeUsername ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:43:50 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well I'm afraid I can't help you. But if you post on the askUbuntu forums with your hardware specs they'll probably be able to help you !
Techiastronamo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:59:11 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My schools all have Macs... Not much better.
INeedAFreeUsername ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:00:30 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I never used Macs, why are they terrible ?
Techiastronamo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:01:01 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just don't like their presentation, it's personal preference imo.
INeedAFreeUsername ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:02:00 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh ok. Yeah I guess you can't customize it as you wish
destructor_rph ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:13:14 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wish I could use Linux primarily but I like gaming and visual studio too much
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:09:17 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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INeedAFreeUsername ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:14:54 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But you actually are free to change to a desktop environment to find one that fits your need. And if you don't find one, you can tweak an existing one or create your own (if you're talented)
By free I didn't mean that everything is done easily, I meant that you have the freedom to customize as you will (but yeah it takes time)
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:38:42 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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INeedAFreeUsername ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:57:11 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah yeah sure I can totally picture that !
coffedrank ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:58:43 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why i went back to 7
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:31:27 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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i-like-to-pinch ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:18:15 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Intel has dropped support for Win7 on 7th gen processors so you may run into driver issues depending on how modern the computer is - especially if you have integrated Intel graphics.
DHermit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:46:25 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can't use some features like WSL and I think DirectX 12 (please correct me, if I'm wrong).
The 32bit version is always not able to detect more than 4GB of RAM, no matter what version you have.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:48:40 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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fuckinstupidregional ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:19:19 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I use both 7 and 10 on a daily basis, and always install 7 wherever possible, it's just so much better. Really annoyingly though, it is getting harder and harder. The main issue is drivers, if you've got a piece of hardware that doesn't have W7 drivers, you're out of luck. I couldn't get any W7 drivers for any of my laptop's trackpads... so I'm forced to use 10.
On the desktop front you've got a much better chance, all my desktops run 7. If you don't have any USB 2 ports you need to bundle the USB 3 drivers into the Windows installation, or you won't be able to go through the installation, because you won't be able to use your keyboard and mouse.
Microsoft has starting feeding us some bullshit that newer intel CPUs arent compatible with 7, this is horseshit, I'm typing this on an i5 8400 running 7 right now.
Also, I got an Asrock motherboard for this desktop, and had no trouble getting all the W7 drivers for the lan/wireless/sound from the Asrock site when I was setting up. But now - there's no sign of them at all, it looks like they've been removed. So the tide is against you, we're all being forced onto 10 and it fucking pisses me off.
mungu ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:21:11 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Microsoft tried to cut off support to skylake CPUs in windows 7, but reversed that policy. I bet they will try it again with newer gen intel CPUs.
Also Windows 7 is in extended support right now (i.e. security updates only). Come 2020 it will be fully out of support
Saucermote ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:59:58 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is also a blessing, less crap to sort through when it comes time for the monthly updates; you just have to hide maybe one or two telemetry updates that re-enabled themselves, and you're good to go.
fauxhawk18 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:19:33 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As long as the modern machine has drivers available for 7. If it was released with 8 or 10, it very well might not. Without proper drivers installed, the computer will be worse than before.
LanternWolf ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:21:39 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Found this out last night: 7 can't support more than 8000~ pixels in either direction. In other words you can't have three 4K monitors, or in my case 1080p and 1440p monitors and a 4K TV. It's actually a limitation of dx10 that 7 is built on, so Microsoft can't do much to fix it. If you have that many pixels Aero will crash, but the system will still work, you just lose window preview and all those improvements since windows xp
Edit for accidentally posting before I finished typing
Forgiven12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:09:22 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:42:47 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
as if the search function was better on windows 7. it sucks the same for both version. stay with win 10
rnd_usrnme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:45 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why I never "upgraded"
chicaneuk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:47:40 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I actually went back to 8.1 recently and even that seemed like a revelation. Sure it still has that half-baked "some settings are here in the modern UI control panels, and some are not" BS but search at least seems significantly more dependable and the whole system felt far more peppy overall.
Honestly there's some great ideas in Windows 10 but I'm just sick of feeling like fighting it all the time to stop doing things you don't want.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:06:48 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh please OSx is far faaar worse in that regard. I've got to go through hoops just to install software that apple can't "identify" Heck I had an issue with iTunes where I couldn't update it nor could I uninstal it. Which is crazy, iTunes refused to uninstall itself I had to find a program online to do it
Reacher-Said-Nothing ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:11:55 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I wasn't comparing it to osx, I was comparing it to previous versions of windows.
bHarv44 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:58:32 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just like the brilliance of โAllow Windows to manage your default printerโ. Holy shit Iโd like to punch the guy that created that useless โfeatureโ.
fluffygryphon ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 16:26:08 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I remember the days of typing a letter in the search and watching as Windows pulled up literally every file and folder that had that letter in it. It'd take hours, too.
fatalicus ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 18:26:35 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean today?
Cause I opened search, entered "a", and it has now been searching for 5 minutes (and still going) and has found 166k files so far.
Everything from wow64_microsoft-windows-a..ence-mitigations-c3_31bf3856ad364e35_10.0.16299.15_none_39650f0297cfd3a0 in the C:\Windows\WinSxS folder, too a003.png in a folder that i will not name ehem.
Svelemoe ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:18:31 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Download Search Everything. Literally finds every single file and folder with "a" instantly. Also searches file extensions.
followedthelink ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:57:22 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe if there was a group policy to show everything for those on Pro or Enterprise that probably know what they're doing
fatalicus ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:18:58 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No group policy needed.
Just open "Indexing Options" (search for index).
Then use that to remove the exclusions that have been added to the C drive.
Meanwhile_in_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:46:20 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can anyone ELI5 this process?
spaceisfun ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:49:40 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you need it ELI5'd you probably shouldn't be doing it :)
Meanwhile_in_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:54:29 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A brother needs to search!
fatalicus ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:21:46 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Default Windows 10 (and 8.1 and 8 and 7) will exclude ProgramData, AppData, Windows and CSC from search results, since most users have no reason to find anything in those folder so results from them will just be clutter.
If you want to search in these folders as well, just open the Indexing Options (search for indexing) and then remove the exclusions.
Koutou ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:15:32 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good tips. Another one I like is to manually create shortcut in
%appdata%\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programsfor portable software so they show up in the start menu.way2lazy2care ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:08 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy turds. Thank you.
INeedAFreeUsername ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:02:23 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow I didnt know that. Thank you !
Mozen ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:33:08 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's the problem. You shouldn't have to install something only to turn off functionality in order to use it properly.
INeedAFreeUsername ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:40:55 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What software are you talking about? I'm not aware of that
Mozen ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:44:46 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Windows
INeedAFreeUsername ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:46:31 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh sorry what functionality are you talking about ? I'm kinda slow, excuse me
Like I meant I wasn't aware of the functionality
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:23:22 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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INeedAFreeUsername ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:27:49 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Arg please go away
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:14:24 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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INeedAFreeUsername ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:51:35 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry I didn't mean to offend you. It's just that I don't really like Windows update. One time the update erases my linux partition and erases the boot sector, making the computer unbootable, and the rest of the time it just consumes my Internet when I need it the most !
INeedAFreeUsername ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:51:53 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry I didn't mean to offend you. It's just that I don't really like Windows update. One time the update erases my linux partition and erases the boot sector, making the computer unbootable, and the rest of the time it just consumes my Internet when I need it the most !
INeedAFreeUsername ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:52:01 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry I didn't mean to offend you. It's just that I don't really like Windows update. One time the update erases my linux partition and erases the boot sector, making the computer unbootable, and the rest of the time it just consumes my Internet when I need it the most !
INeedAFreeUsername ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:53:29 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry I didn't mean to offend you. It's just that I don't really like Windows update. One time the update erases my linux partition and erases the boot sector, making the computer unbootable, and the rest of the time it just consumes my Internet when I need it the most !
STATIC_TYPE_IS_LIFE ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:57:35 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As much of a windows hater as I am(and I barely use it, unless I'm specifically booting my pc for LoL, MySQL or msvc stuff). this is just because the search function from the start menu is not a filesystem wide search for any file recursively starting at / (or c:/ in Windows) that contains, *searchterm*. (*=wildcard). That takes much longer. From my personal experience (I obviously don't have the source code for the search/cortana package) It searches through certain predefined directories, installed applications, and then predefined search terms bring up certain results.
Ie, from what I can tell, If you search up "Poop" it will search my docs(and other commonly used folder), then look for applications installed with the name *poop*, then check if poop is a string known to windows (like "control panel") and Display the results. Something like "control pane" is just probably not added as a "known search term".
Searching everything recursively to get any possible matching results is slow. Our 2nd term c++ project does this, and the difference between searching a whole fs and a few directories is night andday. Searching from / for "a" takes hours, searching from /media/user/code takes 0.28 seconds. Tbf, we don't run our compilers with optimization enabled, but still.
Edit:my knowledge of markup sux,and in mobile. Sorry.
You can actually do a fs wide search for anything, from within file explorer (not sure how in Windows, find in Linux) or powershell.
INeedAFreeUsername ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:42:52 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for your answer ! It explain why it doesn't find some weirdly installed programs.
Yep right I suppose that if you were to do a find / on Linjx it would also take a long time.
That's why package managers are cool !
kadirmarangoz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:04:05 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Get Everything its a program that's like the search tool, but not shit
INeedAFreeUsername ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:14:24 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, sounds like a nice concept!
splendidfd ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:14:55 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The OS isn't deciding what shows up. For programs the search only really considers what links it has from the Start Menu, as well as Control Panel/Settings. "regedi" doesn't match to anything on the Start Menu so there is no suggestion. When you type "regedit" in full then search recognises that's a valid command and gives it as an option - it doesn't actually know what that program is, it just knows that something will run. If OP wanted it to recommend the registry editor earlier then they should make a link to it.
dkyguy1995 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:17:26 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah if I wanted the OS to make all my choices for me I would have bought a Mac
Shiroi_Kage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:48:57 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Run commands have always been like this. It's treating them as such. Search isn't hiding it if you type the full thing.
Who_Decided ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:56:26 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only because you're computer literate and/or not an idiot. Neither of those things is actually the default state for the majority of the population, let alone the majority of users. Ask any sysadmin.
INeedAFreeUsername ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:11:42 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right. The user doesn't need to see everything unless he wants or need to, I totally agree.
But the problem with this kind of search is that it doesn't always display program that are installed and should be accessible by any user. So the only solution is to browse the files or create a shortcut on the desktop.
Actually I use Windows rather casually so I'm a basic user in that sense.
And I also find it really slow. If you're looking for a file, it takes ages ! Compared to Unix-like commands like find, I find it uncomfortably long.
[deleted] ยท 126 points ยท Posted at 15:21:48 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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PM_COFFEE_TO_ME ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 16:12:45 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"VMWare" doesn't show up in search, I have to go into applications and scroll down.. wtf?
Edit: I've started using a search utility called "Everything" and I've been having good results with it. Especially at finding documents really quickly. It has a cache database of your filesystem it filters. I have Windows search index enabled and it still can't return results as fast.
JJakc ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:10:29 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you know if its poosible to bind it to windows+s or another hotkey? I have this programme too but its a little annoying to double-click on the tray icon when i want to search.
PM_COFFEE_TO_ME ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:11:14 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup, there is a section under preferences for key bindings
JJakc ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:22:39 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
wow i'm dumb, thank you my dude
slampisko ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:30:21 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I personally pinned it to the taskbar on the first spot and whenever I need it, I press Win+1 (Win+number runs whatever is pinned to that spot).
kit1150 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:15:40 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its a little bit of extra work but you can always just use rainmeter to have a typable search bar which uses everything to search.
Then you can just disable/hide the windows taskbar entirely. Win key still opens start menu.
turnoftheworm ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:41:45 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Second recommendation for "Everything". Anyone know how I could map it to the Windows key?
PM_COFFEE_TO_ME ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:42:39 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
After I got a reply for Windows+S, I tried on the Windows key but couldn't succeed in making that bind :(
tigerwash ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:52:42 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Try AutoHotkey ("#" is the Windows key in AutoHotKey-scripts, so I mapped it to Windows+S - but you could also map it just to the Windows-Key by deleting the "s"):
electronicdream ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:23 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I use Listary now.
PM_COFFEE_TO_ME ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:10:10 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just installed that. Very slick integration with the OS! I'll give it a go.
fanboat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:02:52 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I started using everything recently, and I like it so far, too. If you know a file name, you can type that name in and it will tell you where that file is. God knows why Microsoft thinks this is a niche function. It's nice being able to search my own files like google rather than like reddit search.
mka696 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:01:51 on November 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd suggest trying Windows Classic Shell as well. Brings back the Windows 7 or XP start menu and the search is amazing. I could never go back to the Windows 10 start menu
gurgle528 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:39:55 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My favorite is when you expect search to not work but it does (sort of). If I'm searching for a program, sometimes search will show the program before I finish typing (havent tried it with Steam but if I typed something like Ste for example) and then when I finish typing the full name the program disappears from the search
lydocia ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 17:41:38 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
STE
-shows steam-
A
-guess you don't need Steam then-
Winter-Burn ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:01:24 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's working pretty well for me though. Haven't really experienced this issue with win10 and I almost always use search function solely to open programs.
Moonchopper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:04:48 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
lol there's a space in 'IJ' and 'Scan,' that's why.
Moonchopper ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:05:41 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's because the software is called 'IJ Scan,' not 'IJScan'. Sourced this from /u/Winter-Burn's screenshot.
Yarthkins ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:25:12 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or like I've done 1,000 times since upgrading to 10:
>press Windows key
>type "devices"
>don't see "devices and printers"
>type "devices and printers"
>nothing
>remember that doesn't exist in win10
Would it be so difficult for those search results to redirect to the new location?
ScoobySharky ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 16:17:56 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hijacking to say this is most annoying with dxdiag.
lillgreen ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:32:43 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe they just do it to make Win32 inconvenient. Bc it's fine at searching shit that aren't .exe's. There's no way after 4 feature updates they couldn't 'figure it out'. It's working as designed.
FormerGameDev ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:55:08 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The problem here, at least in part, is that none of us seem to be able to figure out what it's designed to actually operate like.
Dick_O_Rosary ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:40:05 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think that's what they're doing. Stop spreading conspiracy theories.
B3yondL ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:07:13 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
even Macs know what that is without typing it all the way ๐
Pollyanna584 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:49:18 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I use MMC at my job and it doesn't come up if I search MMC, but it does if I search MMC.exe
fatalicus ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:35:05 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
what is your problem with dxdiag?
Parapraxia ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:13:05 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
100% I have text files handy that I need and they literally do not show up in the results until the first letter of the second word is typed! "Network P...."
akai_ferret ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:36:56 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't even successfully search for microsoft office programs half the time.
That's what really gets me.
I'll have the exact same search term work one day, and not work the next.
FormerGameDev ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:56:04 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
from click to click, really.
ergo__theremedy ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 14:43:07 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well they too are system destroying!
In all seriousness though have you tried running the search troubleshooter? For some odd reason some installations get fucked up and the troubleshooter sorts it out. Others run "botnet" disabling scripts and that also fucks with things, but I generally assume they won't be posting on a subreddit dedicated to a "botnet". Or there are little weird issues like disabling the main "Background Apps" toggle fucks with searches.
Blawdfire ยท 63 points ยท Posted at 16:04:07 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In 12 years of using Microsoft products, I've not once had a Windows troubleshooter fix a problem for me. Just ran the search troubleshooter and it did nothing for me.
xW4RP ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 16:15:47 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I swear MS troubleshooters are built to tell you six different ways to not fix your problem.
scsibusfault ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 16:22:46 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"We'll waste 10 minutes with a timer animation and hopefully the problem will resolve itself while... yep, all fixed!"
thisisafairrequest ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 16:17:42 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The network troubleshooter at least deserves a little credit. Works like 90% of the time. Sure, all it's doing is saving me a few clicks to enable/disable the network adapter, but it does technically do its job.
MilkoPupper ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:41:23 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm 90% sure it just disables and re-enables the network adapter.
That almost always fixes things in network land.
Chiikken ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:51:06 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup, only one for me too that saved me clicks a lot of times thanks to a sometimes fucky wlan adapter.
spaceisfun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:50:38 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I used to think that too, but IMO they are a lot better in W10.
ergo__theremedy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:05 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's odd. At the very least it should point you into the right direction. I've had to use WU troubleshooter a couple of times in the past and they've solved that mess.
DrBerminverter ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:35:22 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you type "regedi", you know what you're looking for.
zopiac ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 18:22:34 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if I'm looking for documents pertaining to my aunt, Regedine??
ameoba ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:04:02 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's nothing about the effects of that application, it's that the Start Button search dialog only searches programs with start menu entries. It clearly wasn't intended to search all executables that may be in the path unless you typed out the full name.
Let's compare this to everyone's darling, Windows XP. For starters, there was no search for start menu items - you had to pour of the list visually to find it. After going over everything twice, just to make sure you didn't miss anything, you then had to abort what you're doing and pull up a separate dialog to run a command.
If you're smart enough to know what
regeditis, why aren't you using the proper mechanism for starting it?Win+Rstill pulls up the "Run" dialog.JoshMiller79 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:03:41 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
More annoying. I search for something, the result shows up below in "other results" but the top suggested one is some web search bull shit or store link.
I want to WinKey+type+Enter my most used programs.
smeinrich ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:24:08 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most annoying. The result shows up at the top while I'm typing, and just before I click on it some other result jumps to the top, resulting in me clicking the wrong result.
JoshMiller79 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:17:43 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wish there was a way to hide an item from results, or choose a preferred result, like with a right click.
I literally never want Notepad when Notepad++ is a thing that exists.
Cervidantidus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:15:09 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://imgur.com/a/WQfxe
Windows 10 search versus "Everything" search. Why the hell do I have to download a separate app for the search function to work?!
kgs10 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:16:54 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree. Windows search is fucking terrible... Windows 10 in general is terrible.
KsbjA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:56:44 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Typing in "iexplore" works the same way in Windows 7. Might be the same with regedit as well, I can check when I'm at my work PC.
MasterPsyduck ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:27 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The search bar often doesnโt want to find anything for me and it will be like, โuh search bing?โ
OSXโs search isnโt perfect but at least it knows what programs I have installed and quickly finds files. I did notice though after installing word on my Mac that if I search for pages it will find word instead.
lickityslits ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:11:00 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why didnโt mine work ? https://i.imgur.com/KsF1H8v.jpg
Rosetti ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:18:33 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, this happens to me at work when I try to open Outlook. I usually have to type the whole word before it pops up - but I could swear it's intermittent. With some apps it works fine, and with others it sucks.
jeff_fan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:43 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would make sense if the problem only happened on the Desktop OS. Windows server 2016 has the same problem, where daily you may have to go into dangerous settings.
TheBowerbird ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:53:19 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This happens to me all the time with various normal applications. Infuriating.
rednax1206 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:50:48 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sometimes "update" only shows me Java Update and Dell Update while "updat" gives me Windows Update.
VodkaHappens ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:14:48 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For me it seems to find everything other than some Windows features that you need to type the whole name. Dxdiag or regedit like you mentioned.
tarunteam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:34:03 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well. It's built for the lowest common denominator with the expectation that if you are a power user you will know exactly what to type. Even with things that are not system destroying you wouldn't exactly want grandma to change the color scheme to gray and start freaking out if she has one of those virus thingys.
Alex_Maccy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:26:36 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Windows 7 and 8 both do it too. There are a bunch of tools that windows treats like that, and i agree with what other people are saying it can be somewhat damaging if you don't know what you are doing with it.
Dear_Occupant ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:32:00 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've been using some version of Windows or another since 3.11 and I have never, in the entire time I've used it, had any implementation of their search function be useful. I lost a couple of Diablo 2 hardcore characters during the Win2000/XP days because searchindexer.exe would suddenly fire up in the background and lag me at a critical moment. It's always baffled me how consistently, for decades now, MS's search function manages to consume so many system resources and still remain utterly useless for its intended purpose. They've had over twenty years to get this right and it's still just as much of a disaster as it was when I started working in this field.
fromdiggwithlove ยท 172 points ยท Posted at 16:20:15 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
windows 10 search is the most inconsistent function that i ever had the displeasure of using . you can have 2 computers with the exact same hardware and both freshly imaged with the exact same image ,will return very different results when you search for the word "printer" , its infuriating, since search is my go to ever since the start menu disaster .
AvoidingIowa ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 19:31:54 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like when I type calculator and it doesnโt bring up the calculator and instead a search result for some foreign language calculator app.
Meanwhile_in_ ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:48:30 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or it links me to the calculator in the app store, and when I click that it says I already have it installed and asks me to open it from there.
One of the most frustrating things ever.
radicalelation ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:54:13 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mine sometimes shits itself to where I can't input certain letters. Have to kill Cortana and let it restart.
It has happened on two different systems too.
PostalSpan ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:11:40 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For some reason, I can't access any of my development tools using the search. Pycharm? No way. Intellij? Postman? Atom? Of course not.
30bmd972ms910bmt85nd ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:08:36 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can acces android studio, but not Visual studio. Still wanna know why.
Muezza ยท 72 points ยท Posted at 17:22:08 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like when I type something halfway and it shows up and I go up to click it and a second before I hit the button the result updates to some random ass dll file.
oratory1990 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 17:26:39 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
OH LORD HOW I HATE IT
algag ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:57:42 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting. Recently, I was searching for something and in between me seeing what I wanted and my pressing enter, it changed. However, it still opened what I wanted, not what was highlighted.
DonzaMac ยท 347 points ยท Posted at 13:59:18 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Try searching for Bitlocker if you type the whole word it will show no results but if you type bitlocke you will get Bitlocker.......
[deleted] ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 15:34:10 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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jonesRG ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:53:25 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This fucking shit started like last week! I have several output cards for different devices so this gets typed in a lot. It is shit. Searching should not require finesse
VodkaHappens ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:21:39 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It always results in sound recorder for me, the only way to get the "Sound" option is to incorrectly type "Sound" try "Saund" or "Souind" I shit you not.
vitorgrs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:58:24 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not with me, again.
https://imgur.com/a/zzCpn
teraflux ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:33:48 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Sou" resolves to control panel sound page for me.
the_harakiwi ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 14:46:39 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
typing " bit " and it recommends the Bitlocker Encryption thingy.
ergo__theremedy ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:45:35 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The whole word works here. Even works with the entire phrase manage bitlocker.
DonzaMac ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:09:58 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They must have fixed it. 3 months ago I rolled out 400 windows 10 laptops and had to enable Bitlocker on every one and none of them found Bitlocker in Search. Anyway it was faster to not search the whole word anyway.
teraflux ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:34:49 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Manually configuring 400 windows 10 laptops? Why?
DwarvenChiliVacuum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:55:47 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They probably had an image they used plus additional software for certain users.
Where I worked we couldn't just update images when needed, we had to get authorized with a good amount of red tape (US gov't). We'd have to resort to installing shit on every PC on certain rollouts. "Why not have it just get pushed to the pcs after getting on the network?" Our push application, can't remember the name since it was a few years ago, but it was shitty af and wouldn't work sometimes. Fun times.
teraflux ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:11:42 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What about saving a .bat file on a share somewhere and launching that post install?
DwarvenChiliVacuum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:00:53 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bats weren't allowed due unless signed in as an admin, but usually these apps were "required to be installed manually" due to security.
NMCI was a bit more adolescent then so hopefully they've updated their tech a bit lol.
DonzaMac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:42:20 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nope I automated during the imaging process but when you join them to MDM it turns Bitlocker off so you have to then enable it again.
ShadowAether ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:37:37 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This happens with other terms too. Sometimes it just takes forever to find it with the complete word
changingminds ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:28:55 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Literally typed the whole thing and it gave me no results.
vitorgrs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:59:54 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You probably have Windows Home?
jantari ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:27:01 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're probably on Windows 10 Home, the Home Edition doesn't have BitLocker so obviously it can't be found by searching for it.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:50:38 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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WorldOfTRUCKS ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:56:38 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But the guy above typed the whole thing and got nothing
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:05:41 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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vitorgrs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:00:58 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, kinda neither. How search works, since 8 at least, it's to try to see which apps you search and open most. So he result will always be different.
DonzaMac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:30:26 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For me it would only show when I typed bitlocke and nothing shorter or longer would work. It was on 400 devices every single one. That was 3 months ago and it works now so they must have fixed it.
cMiV2ItRz89ePnq1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:04:02 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think this inconsistency is part of the problem. It works fine for me too, but other examples do not (like regedit).
DanielBarragues ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:05:00 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I tried it, it is because the "L" is mayus, if I type BitLocker it shows the Wikipedia web result and the app.
MattWatchesChalk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:37:36 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same with update instead of updates. It's weird.
gurgle528 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:40:40 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
this right here is the bane of my existence
fatalicus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:42:54 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nope, works just fine.
Rebuild your search index if this is a problem.
Deto ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:28:40 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You just need to memorize the exact right number of letters to type in for each thing you use! Easy!
CallMeChristina ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:39:22 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm always searching for "bluetooth" and it'll maybe come up 1/5 of the times no matter how I spell it. Most infuriating thing ever.
vitorgrs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:57:41 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not with me.
https://imgur.com/a/PAioq
slykrysis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:48:27 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I type "bit" and "bitlocker" and get the Manage Bitlocker every time...?
mtndev ยท 109 points ยท Posted at 16:12:44 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i seriously can't wrap my head around how incredibly bad the search function of windows 10 (and 8) is.
example from last week: i was searching for the installation directory of my nvidia drivers.
searching for the word 'NVIDIA' didn't give any results, not even the program itself, not even a random file containing the word nvidia. NOTHING.
i ended up manually seaching the map in program files, which had a lot of files and folders containing the word nvidia.
[deleted] ยท 51 points ยท Posted at 19:02:23 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have accepted that it just doesnt work, I installed "everything" it gives you literally everything and is amazingly quick.
It's the first thing I install in a fresh windows installtion, I don't even touch that search bar.
https://www.voidtools.com/support/everything/
burkybang ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:48:55 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Completely agree! Found this beauty 6 months ago and it's magical.
muntoo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:05:01 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Launchy is much better. Some features I missed when I switched to Arch Linux:
Of course, I've replaced these with
rofi, python shell scratchpad, and a dropdown terminal.defmans7 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:17:27 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"everything" is a lot faster in my experience.
voracread ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:57:26 on November 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is Launchy still maintained?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:01:21 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:47:47 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Awesome man, Its ridiculous, I am not programmer or anything, but I would assume, that this should be the most basic feature to get right if you can create this fantastically complicated OS that can handle, media decode high res images, run complex processes but you cant handle finding files in a database? Tin foil hat on I would almost say its purposefull so you can get o there and use Cortana more instead somehow
Flamousdeath ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 18:58:54 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pro tip, for some stupid reason Program Files and Program Files(x86) aren't part of the search index. You need to manually add them in windows 10, and then wait a bit for the index to rebuild to be able to type in applications and have it find them
newone_forgot_oldone ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 20:04:38 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks. But, no, just no. What needs to happen is Microsoft getting their act together on basic functionality. Search is beyond ridiculous at this point. And preview options on files are also stuck somewhere in the middle ages for some reason.
jakegt1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:30:07 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I always found that the windows 8 search was really good, never had any problems with it
asm8086 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:22:59 on November 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's bullshit. Windows 10 search is awful, but Windows 8's search was by far the best and fastest in any Windows version. I could type one or two letters and find any program and setting instantly. It was much better than Windows 7's.
But they ruined the search experience in Windows 10 by moving from the native rendering of the Windows 8 Metro Start Screen to an XAML-based clunky Start Menu/Screen hybrid of Windows 10. That's when the search really started to suck.
KeenMarinx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:40:17 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mine wonโt even find WinRAR 7/10 times. Itโll bring up RAR files, but no results for the program itself.
TheThankUMan66 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:20:50 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is because windows doesn't add a lot of directories to the search index or else you will get 100s of unrelated files. Remember the old days when searching for 1 file took like 10 minutes.
ScarletCaptain ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 16:08:49 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I frequently get the opposite. I type like three letters of the word, and it pulls it up right away. But, if I type one more letter, the suggestions disappear and I have to type the entire fucking thing.
algag ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:04:23 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In my understanding, it will assume that if you continue typing x much after a suggestion appears, that you don't want whatever had appeared. Great idea imo, very poor execution right now.
It would be great in Chrome, for example, in some cases. If I want 192.168.0.1:9999, I'd have to move my hands or type the whole thing out, even if 192.168.0.1:999 has been highlighted for 6 characters already.
30bmd972ms910bmt85nd ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:11:10 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
if i take a break to look at the results and continue typing yeah. If I type the word in half a second this wont make me happy.
[deleted] ยท 140 points ยท Posted at 13:42:58 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agree it is a joke. Never seems to find the devices and printers folder
Max_Emerson ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 13:49:22 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This one? https://i.imgur.com/D6L8noL.png
azspeedbullet ยท 112 points ยท Posted at 15:31:49 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
how do you get that to show up? it never works for me. this is what i get when i search for it: https://i.imgur.com/bn4LHt1.png
I always need to access devices and printers as i have multiple printers installed and it is always annoying finding it
rickyhatespeas ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 16:35:44 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mine pulls up like yours. Also sqldeveloper doesn't ever come up in search for me I've resulted in just pinning important stuff to the start bar
onyxblack ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:52:01 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At least you get something...
https://imgur.com/00YqPCv
jen1980 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:07:24 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same here. What did the GP do special to get it to show?
againsterik ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:44:48 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
From what I've seen, it sometimes depends on which patch of Windows 10 you are on. From 1703 and on, since they are really pushing the newer windows 10 settings menu, everything control panel related seems impossible to find in search.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:22:12 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Network settings, just beyond belief. How they even thought of putting that into metro is unbelievable.
Most of the control panel items are now 3-4 weird and wonderful clicks away
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:44:34 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man.
I don't even have a devices and printers.
Devices shows up and Printers and Scanners shows up.
But I can't get devices and printers no matter what I type
Sezhe ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:23:26 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I get the exact same. I think it's part of their bullshit redesign forcing you to open another window and then click a link to open the old, more functional window that you're after.
Eg - Programs and Features. Have to go into Apps & Features, then click to open Programs and Features. Never had to a few versions ago. W7 you can type "pro fea" and get it, not in W10 though ....
fatalicus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:45:49 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
rebuild the search index.
reseph ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:11:51 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have this same issue.
[deleted] ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 14:05:07 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. Very hit and miss for me
Reacher-Said-Nothing ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 15:43:07 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HOW DID YOU DO THAT? I just typed "devices and printers" into my start menu right now, and I get nothing.
Solarbro ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:06:50 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Itโll MAYBE start showing up if you manually go to control panel then to devices and printers, and do it a few times. It SHOULD eventually remember and start showing up on searches.
This does not always happen, hence the caps lol
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:54:33 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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__gt__ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:36:13 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Window Key + R
control printers
Enter.
Never leave home without it.
dyers3001 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:28:24 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Search is so inconsistent on each Windows 10 system, that I've instructed techs to just type "control printers" instead. It does seem like the legacy interfaces are being suppressed in the search results. But I can't attribute malice to what is likely incompetence.
MrDysprosium ยท 65 points ยท Posted at 17:17:43 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, then go and type "ter" for terminal, and you get "TERROR SNIPER SHOOTER 3 ON WINDOWS STORE".
Get fucked, Ms.
umar4812 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:44:25 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I typed "ter" and got command prompt.
cocks2012 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:09:59 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
lmao. is that a actual game?
erdemece ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:15:23 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know lying or manipulating is not a good thing!
longboardshayde ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:25:54 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No it doesn't do that, I literally just tried it and did no such thing.
Edit: lol seriously downvoted? Sorry for breaking up the circlejerk guys, downvoted away!
MrDysprosium ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:28:35 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm, I wonder if it has to do with the type.of account I'm signed in with.
owhkgjsndgv ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:11:59 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also what type of cereal you ate for breakfast. Seriously, thereโs apparently zero rhyme or reason to what the search puts out. Two identical computers could give two completely different results for the same search.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:27:15 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're being downvoted because you don't realise win10 will show everyone different things. I can search for something and find it but you might not.
jonesRG ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:57:03 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My experience is different so you are obviously very clearly wrong /s
vitorgrs ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:03:29 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
;) https://imgur.com/a/dY7n3
Dankelpuff ยท 107 points ยท Posted at 16:19:24 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Really miss Windows 7.
You could type .txt and it would find every single .txt file on your computer in miliseconds.
Windows 8 searches fucking bing.
Next up searching for something will call your local suparmarket and ask them for matches.
[deleted] ยท 51 points ยท Posted at 18:18:20 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm from r/all and I'd just like to say that Windows 10 sucks monkey dick
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:44:10 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:59:09 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you have one, sure
Pardoxon ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:22:51 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just a suggestion: you could install Everything, it will find every .txt file on your PC in seconds.
GefreiterConley ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:17:18 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
While I and I'm sure others appreciate the suggestion, the fact I have to install a program on these new UWP WaaS OS's to get an actual file explorer/search worth a damn is not just a step-back from the revolutionary changes of Windows 95/XP and 7, it is completely and utterly pathetic MS has done this 180.
definetelytrue ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:19:01 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Install classic shell, it brings back Windows 7 functionality.
GefreiterConley ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:15:07 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can still get 7 like I did. Will never touch Windows 10 again unless they make some SERIOUS amounts of changes! (Luna and Classic theme options for the HUD please?) Instead they removed a lot of the useful functions and replaced them with garbage and BS. Windows 8/10 are the most horrendous OS's I've had the displeasure of using.
asm8086 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:26:13 on November 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Complete bullshit. Don't mix Windows 10's search with Windows 8's.
Windows 8's search was fucking amazing. I could type one or two letters of any app or settings and it would INSTANTLY find it. It was MUCH MUCH faster than Windows 7's search.
But they really ruined the search experience since moving to XAML based Start Menu in Windows 10. Windows 8's Metro Start Screen was written in native C++. But in Windows 10 they moved to managed code for the Start Menu and ruined everything.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:46:50 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can we still use Windows 7 for everything? It's dirt cheap...
owhkgjsndgv ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:10:24 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Too bad it looks like shit and isnโt supported by a bunch of programs
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:39:44 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looks nicer 'en ten.
dolan313 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:19:47 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Still think aero looks more than 5x better than 10's flat look.
Renaldi_the_Multi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:36:58 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Call me the one person who hates Aero then
skygz ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 16:31:21 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just tried this in Windows 7 (work computer), same thing
beefJeRKy-LB ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:23:10 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it's always been like this. it's a joke compared to spotlight.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:31:15 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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beefJeRKy-LB ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:34:05 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well I am thinking of when I used mac back in 2010. Knowing Apple's recent changes, wouldn't be surprised if they ruined it too.
joshtheimpaler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:49:24 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Spotlight used to be the best thing in the world, but in the last two updates, it's just become pretty good (was better).
Still the best thing in the world compared to the Windows Search, but that's a low bar...
umar4812 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:45:56 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
BUT MUH WNIDOWS 10 HATEJERK
crosph ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:07:57 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even "registry editor" yields nothing as you type it, even once the whole thing's typed. Yeah, W10's search is pants, but OP's example isn't unique to it.
SonovaBichStoleMyPie ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 16:12:59 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I deal with this whenever I try to go to uninstall something.
un...nothing
unins...nothing
uninstal...nothing
...l BAM "Add or Remove Programs".
Fuck you microsoft.
Thomasedv ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:49:26 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Write "uninstall" and get served a exe to uninstall something... Can't possibly go wrong....
StrudelB ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:50:34 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right click the start menu/Win+X, add or remove programs is the top item in the list. Much easier.
Just-A-City-Boy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:24:25 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just habitually hit WinKey+R to bring up the run dialogue and type appwiz.cpl then hit enter.
I think you can also search appwiz.cpl and it will show a result.
tigerwash ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:56:46 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Try typing "a o r", as these are the first letters from the first three words.
SonovaBichStoleMyPie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:07:28 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No dice. Tho I did find a shortcut to realms of ancient war... Whatever the fuck that is.
toastyGhoaster ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 15:40:42 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I use an app called Everything for search. it's great
Pterocles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:06:19 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me too! I bound it to win+space with AHK and it's so fast and powerful I can't remember the last time I opened a folder in explorer.
toastyGhoaster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:07:40 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
haha, i think there's Keyboard shortcut settings within the app as well,
I have mine bound to Win+Space too, so it's kind of like spotlight on mac :D
NoShameInternets ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:56:45 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My favorite is when I type two letters and the top result is the thing I want, but GOD FORBID I TYPE A THIRD LETTER AND EVERYTHING DISAPPEARS
DevonX ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 14:00:51 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.voidtools.com/ try this.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:05:47 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
deleted What is this?
SdKfz2 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:12:59 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Give the free version of Listary a try. It's what the windows search should be.
mistermagic87 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:08:37 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
+1 this software is amazing.
Link for the lazy: http://www.listary.com/
i_wanna_b_the_guy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:24:24 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Idk if you know the answer, but I saw they searched for in a screenshot. Does it change order of items over time as specific items are used more?
SdKfz2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:34:53 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep it adapts based on your selections. It's a real neat piece of software.
i_wanna_b_the_guy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:49:36 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gonna try it when I get home!
LuminalGrunt2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:19:08 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is fucking awesome. Double ctrl brings up a mac-like finder box. Holy shit.
fireattack ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:11:29 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yeah I use everything every day but it's not really a good way to find executables.
m1rado ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:44:36 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Install http://www.getwox.com and you can right click search results in the launcher and set them as "Topmost for this query"
pig_master ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:13 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are some default filters, which you can hotkey to apply. I have alt-V assigned to only show .exe in everything. So until I disable the filter the only thing it will show is exe, even when I minimize everything and bring it back.
enenth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:17:05 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I use Keypirinha as my quick launcher.
It's a great tool, but requires some configuration to fully appreciate it (by default it indexes directories and non-executable files as well, which I find to be badly overkill โ once you configure it to only index executables, it's great).
Rhysk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:58:17 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Two things that made Everything way better for me:
Options - Home - Sort: Run Count (Descending)
View - Filters
DutchmanDavid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:26:25 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Next time you type "pho" press enter and it'll automatically select photoshop.exe
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:48:58 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
deleted What is this?
peanutbudder ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:12:18 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can change the Everything hotkey.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:29:54 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
deleted What is this?
Super13 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:04:57 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Love this thing. It's my go-to for eveything, except searching my outlook.
Megatech1966 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:46 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. Much better.
StarkyA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:00:03 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Great as a search tool, but not as a winkey search replacer. Everything is replacement for explorers search function.
Classic Shell is is a better replacement for win + typing for launching software.
It gets Regedit top by "rege", in the list at "reg".
dottybotty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:10:59 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes this. Amazing tool. So fast!
harald921 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 17:59:49 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, I am one of "those" guys who trash Windows 10 for every single detail (the majority I believe are perfectly valid), but this actually for once makes sense.
It's not searching for a regedit file, it's executing the Run command "regedit". It does makes sense, and I don't believe it should show up in the first image.
HOWEVER, why the FUCK does Windows 10 not get any sensible results when I type "Device Manage"?
Why the FUCK does Windows 10 say there's no results for "Visual Stud", while "Visual Stu" gives me Visual Studio 2015, and "Visual Studio" gives me Visual Studio 2017?
Why the FUCK does start search for tasks to do in the settings, rather than the settings cathegory?
</rant> I'm sorry
Autoradiograph ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:29:23 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
( อกยฐ อส อกยฐ)
Thomasedv ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:55:42 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If it makes it any better, it does seem to proritize what you use the most often. I have two pycharms on my pc, commnity edition and the full version. In the beginning it picked community because i picked that, now full version is always suggested first.
Now, if you use both regularly, then that's another issue...
vitorgrs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:04:47 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Funny. https://imgur.com/a/PTptr
Nertez ยท 109 points ยท Posted at 14:09:17 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Welcome to Windows 10, prepare yourself to be miserable and frustrated, everyone.
[deleted] ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 16:58:57 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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algag ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 17:50:35 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree that the comments are often overzealous, but I'm far from saying Win10 search "just works" as expected. I think they're trying for something better than expected, but they're not there yet, and utility has gone down in many cases.
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 17:59:20 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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CluelessTurtle ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:10:55 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Windows search is arguably one of the most important features for usability and user sanity but they broke the shit out of it. That and their ridiculous update policy is why I switched to OSX and haven't looked back.
algag ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:26:52 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was stuck on Yosemite for work, so I didn't have some of the newer features, but the window management on OSX just frustrated me to no end.
CluelessTurtle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:44:55 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unfortunately it hasn't gotten much better :(
algag ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:21:44 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just fucking let me maximize the goddamn window!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:15:24 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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CluelessTurtle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:30:18 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would be exciting lol. I really do hope Microsoft gets their shit together though, Win10 does have many neat features and it is definitely fast. I've been using Windows ever since I first learned how to use a computer, and I don't remember an OS being as clunky as Win10 since WinVista. I still come back to my PC whenever I need to do something that can only be done in Windows of course. I just can't really think of any single company that would create a new OS, I don't see how they could really profit from that without also being a hardware company (not to mention how hard it would be to even enter that market). I could see a non-profit tackling this though, maybe Mozilla.
ThatsPresTrumpForYou ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 17:42:58 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting, I'm using linux since 2 years and as soon as something works, it always works. If it breaks, it's because I started fiddling with it, and getting it back to the previous state always worked.
Can't say the same for windows. Even the ltsb version I'm using randomly craps out sometimes, the windows explorer program is unstable as fuck, buttons can't be clicked, everything hangs until I restart windows. Or try to click the filter button in the group policy editor, I dare you.
Windows only barely works as long as you literally don't even look at system settings, and even then sometimes things randomly don't work until you restart.
PastaOfMuppets ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:19:47 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You never get Windows updates, then?
umar4812 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:49:32 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I get regular OS updates in the Insider program and my three eligible devices - PC, laptop, mobile - all work without issue.
harald921 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 18:02:25 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How come shit usually just worked in Windows 7?
How come shit basically always just worked in Windows XP?
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:04:39 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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harald921 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:13:07 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm going to be honest and say no, I don't remember that. I was born in 97.
But yes, you do have a valid point that giving side by side comparisons right now might be unfair since Windows 10 is new, and they are not.
But valid or not, it still annoys the hell out of me. I went back to Windows 7 for almost a year and it felt like a complete upgrade. Much more responsive, vastly better UI (with exceptions) and not nearly as many hitches and bugs. Sadly I had to switch back in order to be able to work with the DX12 API.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:18:09 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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StarkyA ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:52:41 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Windows new kernel release: Garbage for all but the lucky few.
Service Pack 1: Acceptable for most, still garbage for the unlucky few.
Service pack 2: Now we're talking - this is how it should have been on release.
Service Pack 3: (or 2+6 months of updates) Best OS ever.
Worth noting that windows 7 was literally Vista service pack 3 (very little difference between win7 and vista after the "platform update").
Much like windows 10 was basically windows 8.2.
Soof49 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:32:39 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno, Windows 10 has felt almost entirely like an upgrade for me. I don't mind these little quirks like that bullshit search issue (please god tell me why it doesn't always open programs and features), when in comparison the OS seems so much faster.
It may vary. I know that Windows 10's first build to more later builds (I think my workplace uses 1607.1 right now) is a massive difference. It feels like people who have problems with 10 are not updating consistently.
burtwart ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:57:18 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Switch OSโs and youโve got it right. The only time I and many others have problems with Linux is when we start messing with something we donโt know about and do it wrong. Of course it wonโt work then, and if you donโt know about it, of course itโs going to be hard to fix. And you as well, are hilariously exaggerating on the time it would take to fix something in the first place.
Porn-Flakes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:27:39 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Install Classic Start. You get an old style start menu with proper search. Free and works great.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:10:03 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I must be the only person who doesn't constantly have issues with Windows 10. Just disable all the useless crap when you install and it'll basically be like using Windows 7.
Nertez ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:29:32 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You like, for example, the info/details panel in Explorer taking so much space on the right? I cannot stand it, I even installed something to fix that and have it at the bottom like Windows 7, but after few hours (in the evening) it will go back to "normal". And that's one of hundred smaller things that pisses me off to absolute rage. I regret the day I decided to "upgrade", Windows 10 is an absolute nightmare designed by complete idiots. Everything is super slow and even Calculator takes few seconds to load. It's like everything must be "an app" that needs to load or some shit. Hell even the Win+P setting (project screen) is loading for a second or two. All you do is wait in this piece of shit OS.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:35:33 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know what info panel you're talking about but there's nothing taking up space on the right when I'm in the File Explorer. I have also not experienced the lag you are talking about here, it has always run completely smoothly. Seriously, spend an hour disabling things and it is essentially an updated Windows 7.
watership ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:31:10 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Welcome to Windows 7. The EXACT same thing happens there. It's on purpose.
TheImminentFate ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:45:20 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure this particular case has been around since at least Windows 7, almost certainly longer. System commands (like regedit) only show up if you type the full name, and itโs by design. Itโs annoying and frustrating, but itโs not new.
literallyjusttrans ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:53:08 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm with you on this. I've never had 10 on my machine, only 7 and it does this on there.
CJ101X ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:46:51 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm still running 7 on my home desktop, and I can't say I've had that issue. Maybe it was on specific builds
TheImminentFate ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 14:57:52 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm, I just tried it on an old Win 7 laptop, if I type โregediโ into the start menu nothing comes up but then if I add the โtโ on the end then regedit.exe shows up.
d00dsm00t ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:17:32 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same with msconfig
akai_ferret ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:52:20 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Windows 10 search is horribly broken and this has nothing to do with regedit.
When I type "word" into the search bar it only manages to find Microsoft Word about 30% of the time.
TheImminentFate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:37:46 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except the OPโs search was actually for regedit.
I agree the search is broken, I was pointing out that for this case itโs functioning normally with respect to previous versions.
Demileto ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:49:35 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Improved .exe search and more based on your feedback, posted 23 days ago by /u/jenmsft.
Apparently they're currently testing said improvements in Cortana markets and will expand to others if they end up satisfied with the results. If your market isn't a Cortana one, hold tight.
cheetosnfritos ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:30:47 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mine does this with the calculator. The freaking calculator
Burritosfordays ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:58:05 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't the Win+r then type "regedit" work?
photenth ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:50:45 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
of course it does, anyone who uses the start menu to start windows core programs is being at fault here.
For those wondering, even the control panel can be opened with it
Win+R and then type "control"
๐๏ธ hardypart ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:50:16 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's one more keystroke.
JobDestroyer ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:44:33 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I absolutely despise the Windows start menu. The number of times it needs to wait a minute just to let me start entering text, only to have that text not bring up the thing I want is just mind-blowing. I have no idea how you guys in windows-land deal with it.
harald921 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 18:05:18 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Something that drives me mad is the logon screen. The first button is alway ignored, and I am a fairly fast typer so I usually enter my PW before the screen has turned on.
And when the screen turns on, it usually shows "wrong password", because the first letter was ignored.
UUUGH!
JobDestroyer ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:08:46 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like when I start typing, expecting it to fill it in, and then it doesn't fill it in until later, then it fill sin that plus what I was already typing elsewhere so I have to erase it all and type it in again.
harald921 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:13:55 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or when you press the windows button, and the menu doesn't open up, so you press it again - and the menu opens and closes immediatly.
JobDestroyer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:15:58 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Believe it or not, those mild inconveniences, piled on top of each other, are why I use linux. Linux has it's own set of mild inconveniences, but they're much easier to deal with in my opinion.
Simple things, like if I'm filling out something on a document, but I have to reference another window, I can't hover over the other window, scroll, and expect it to scroll without actually having to click on it to raise it's focus. There's no reason why I shouldn't be able to do that, focus should somewhat follow mouse, but windows shouldn't raise until I click, but on windows it's an unnecessary annoyance that I just kinda have to deal with.
Or the volume bar. Why can't I just hover on the little audio icon, scroll, and turn up or down the volume? Why do I have to click on it first? Makes no sense.
Cirevam ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:02:35 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Scrolling unfocused windows works for me in Windows 10. I tried it just now with multiple windows overlaid on each other, and across two monitors. Then again, I'm using an enterprise build that cuts the fat. Maybe the non-enterprise versions are different. It would get really annoying if I had to be in your situation, I tell you what...
JobDestroyer ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:32:33 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Huh, maybe they changed things since I last used Windows. Good stuff
ka-splam ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:04:25 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So fix it: http://ehiti.de/katmouse/ scroll the window under the cursor on Windows
Implying Linux has conveniences
JobDestroyer ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:34:08 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The command to copy files based on a regular expression (or whatever Windows equivalent) in Windows is stupid, the one on Linux is convenient.
ka-splam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:40:46 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ha ha, go on then, what's the "convenient" command?
JobDestroyer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:59:49 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
cp (insert expression here) (insert destination here)
ka-splam ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:35:45 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
and in the command prompt,
copy shellglob destand in powershellcopy shellglob dest.AFAICT, GNU
cpdoesn't have any regex support, and shell pattern syntax is shell dependent and Windows has it..but I bet the Windows way to actually use regex is more convenient, more consistent, more discoverable, more readable, and less buggy by design..
JobDestroyer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:01:02 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah okay bud
ka-splam ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:13:38 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of all the things you could have picked, the stuck-in-the-80s, user-hostile shell commands is something I'm itching to argue about.
I googled how to use regex to specify files to copy and StackOverflow handed me some intuitive and convenient pipe through
grepandxargswhich relies on knowing that the destination parameter forcpis-t. Exactly the kind of thing which is powerful but inconvenient. Unhelpful names, not discoverable commands, annoying options, and leads everyone into writing scripts that don't take into account the poor filesystem design and introduces bugs and security flaws in simple file copying scripts.All of which are addressed in large measures of convenience, readability, syntax consistency, command chain consistency, and easy bug-avoidance and testing code before running it in huge amounts by PowerShell.
JobDestroyer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:16:59 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, frankly, power shell commands are stupid, long, and hard to remember. Unix commands are short, sweet, easy to remember, and tab completed. Unix shell is so good Microsoft stole it.
ka-splam ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:05:56 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unix tab completion can't complete command parameters, that's partly why Unix commands are hard to remember, because they take meaningless single character parameters to be short to type, which you can't guess, and just have to memorize. Unix shells have nothing like typing
measure-object -<ctrl-space>and having a popup menu of parameters that it takes, named consistently with other tools.Unix shell is so bad, Microsoft tried to use it, couldn't, reinvented it better.
Now PowerShell is available on Linux - the best, most innovative, most user-friendly shell in the past twenty years came out of Microsoft.
Run
ip addrand realise that you're looking at a programming language grammar dumped into stdout because the shell is so weak it can't do anything to help you use the tool at all, no parameter sets, no syntax highlighting based on parsing what you type as you type it, no parameter typing, no per-command output formatting at the shell level.The only convenient Linux has is the CLI tool world - being able to run real interactive programs over SSH, and a pricetag of $0. Being open source is why Google loves it (but that's not convenient). But the shell (Bash (RedHat/Ubuntu default settings)) is awwwwfuulllll.
JobDestroyer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:18:11 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the simple fact of the matter is that, despite working with windows shells and linux shells regularly, I have an easier time remembering unix commands. I don't know, nor care, why this is, though I would guess it's because they're shorter. All other points are moot, because the superiority of bash has already been recognized by microsoft, which is why they're incorporating it into Windows. They lost. Their shell is not as good as the Unix shell, so they are adopting it. In fact, they're adopting all of linux.
ka-splam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:35:13 on November 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would be surprised if the commands you find easy to remember are the ones which address all the inherent bugs in shell script handling of filenames: https://www.dwheeler.com/essays/filenames-in-shell.html - even the POSIX standards people can't / won't deal with them.
Fact is, PowerShell fixes all those filename parsing security-bugs-in-waiting once and for all with the object pipeline, same way managed code fixed buffer overflow bugs once and for all.
PowerShell helps more with commands that you haven't used before; clear, consistent naming and parameter naming, and it's a scripting language so if you need more power you don't have to reach for a completely different tool with its own syntax like Perl or Python.
When a whale eats plankton, it doesn't mean the plankton wins. They're simultaneously pushing PowerShell for Linux and PowerShell for macOS. Soon PowerShell DSC will be the way to configure Linux servers in the Azure cloud - the second largest cloud, the only Microsoft cloud. The only reason they're adopting Ubuntu is to give die-hard Linux users the excuse they've been craving to run Windows without having to feel weak. "I just do it for the games, look I can still get to a real terminal. Somewhere here. I haven't used it in a while but I'm sure it's still here".
shillbert ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:19:20 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
>mild inconveniences
>your repository doesn't have the latest version of something so you compile it yourself and now all your dependencies are broken and you can never update anything anymore
yeah, mild
JobDestroyer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:21:43 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
See, that's the sort of mistake that takes work to accomplish. Also, it's valuable to do that occasionally so you learn how not to break your computer.
It's like that time on Windows where a customer ran a Windows Update and it broke her network library somehow so I had to factory restore her computer and now she never installs security updates unless I tell her it's okay first and if this ever happens again it'll be my fault.
shillbert ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:57:20 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True, and you can definitely break every OS by tinkering enough, but it's just frustrating that Linux doesn't have the equivalent of Windows' WinSxS for shared libraries. I guess I need to make sure to compile everything statically, but of course sometimes that just doesn't work for some arcane reason.
JobDestroyer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:02:02 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Recently, a solution in the form of Flatpak seems to be gaining popularity. It's purpose is not just to function on all distros regardless of how they work, but also to sandbox the application so it has no access to anything outside of what it's supposed to have. It seems to be getting heavy distro support, and all you need is the 'flatpak' package to be in the repositories for it to work. I recently installed Cuphead with it, it works great.
asm8086 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:30:41 on November 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Windows 8's Start Screen was incredibly fast (as was Windows 7's). But in Windows 10 they moved the Start Menu code from native C++ to managed XAML. That's when the Start Menu became really slow and extremely buggy. Please ask Microsoft to go back to native code for the Start Menu.
JobDestroyer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:55:38 on November 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting, I didn't know that.
FormerGameDev ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:03:23 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yeah, the computers that still have their OS on spinning disks are seriously slowed way the fark down by Win10.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:39:52 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Use classic shell, it fixed the search function for me.
killerwin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:01:19 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
YUP!
Porn-Flakes ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:30:10 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Classic Start is the fix for all these problems yeah!
gpia7r ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:11:20 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I constantly get mixed results when searching for "control panel", or "devices and printers" when setting up machines at work.
Sometimes it shows. Sometimes there are no results.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:48:56 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I literally get wordpad instead of microsoft word anytime I search for word
caz- ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:07:16 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sometimes I start typing a program name, and after three characters it pops up, highlighted. So I hit "enter", but about 50ms before my finger hits the key, a different program pops to the top and is highlighted. Really annoying if it's something that takes a little while to load. This shit happens in every browser I've ever used too. It's just much more frustrating when it results in a program loading.
PsychoSunshine ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 08:59:20 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Something something Mom's Regedi.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:18:36 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Worse.
If you have a regedit.exe in a place that's been indexed, it may suggest that as best match rather than the regedit.exe that you actually want to run.
serosis ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:18:40 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why would you have a second one if you don't intend to use it?
FormerGameDev ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:05:04 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Think: Malicious software.
smallpoly ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:33:57 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Two edits at the same time, man.
nonvelty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:52:09 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A OS backup maybe?
sprinkles5000 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:22:13 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just converted from Mac to SB2. Returned it yesterday. Windows 10 has some really nice features and some really bad ones.
canada432 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:23:50 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When I go to search for windows update, typing everything up to updat gives me HP Updates. When I complete update it gives me windows update Check for Updates, but if I add the S for updates it then change again and gives me Java check for updates. It makes no sense why it divides them up and selects them at specific points in the same word.
Akoustyk ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:50:07 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ya, the search is really bad. But it's not consistent, either. Sometimes you write the exact same thing again, and all of a sudden it finds it.
captaindickfartman2 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:13:57 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My search bar doesn't even work anymore.
Xerotrope ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:17:40 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Disable superfetch and Cortana. Your life will be much better.
1adog1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:26:01 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same thing happens for the %appdata% folder. I can type %appdata but until I put that last % it has no freaking idea what I want.
JectorDelan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:35:33 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are two types of search engines:
sempiternum ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:14:23 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is Classic Shell software that replaces the start menu.
https://i.imgur.com/mMcOqni.jpg
idiBanashapan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:18:42 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Classic Shell is the answer to everyoneโs woes
NedzAtomicDustbin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:07:09 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Install Classic Shell and be done with the awful Windows 10 start menu
ficarra1002 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:50:08 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Install classic start.
crazytomm ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:02:08 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AllowCortana Dword=0
Shywim ยท 55 points ยท Posted at 12:53:04 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it is working as intented for this particular case, as this is an administration tool which can break your system if you don't know what you are doing.
There's the same behavior for other "sensible" tools.
EDIT: I don't mean it as "it is a good thing" but as "the search tool is designed like this".
TheCheshireCody ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:04:00 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But it's not like you're going to accidentally type "regedi" or even "reged" and want something else, then accidentally click on the regedit.exe because it showed up in the search results even though you wanted something totally different, then accidentally navigate to a registry key, select it, modify it and ignore the prompt about saving changes. That isn't all going to accidentally happen, and it's pretty damned unlikely that even one of those many steps is going to accidentally happen.
recluseMeteor ยท 85 points ยท Posted at 12:55:59 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know what I am doing, so there's no point in doing this. It's an operating system, not a parent.
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 14:37:27 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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gbtimmon ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:33:19 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can confirm that the behavior is the same on server 2016. I dont know why the took the windows search of 7 which was amazing and just fucked it all up for no good reason.
ThatsPresTrumpForYou ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:44:02 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's probably so deep inside their spaghetti code no one knows how to disable it without giving compiler errors.
vitorgrs ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:09:49 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not deep anywhere. Regedit is variable command to regedit app on windows folder. Search don't index Windows folder unles you choose that. Simple.
Darkionx ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:01:08 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That WiiU-3ds nintendo style
fatalicus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:51:56 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh man, it is almost like there is a way to turn of this behaviour.
But you are a techincal users, you have probably figured that out allready.
For the wast majority of users that will use windows 10 however, accessing regedit and gpedit and other similar tools is useless, and having them show up in search results will just be clutter.
darkdex52 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:51:52 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, believe me or not, you're the exception. Most people don't know what they are doing and do need the OS to be parenting over them.
recluseMeteor ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 15:14:54 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then do that on the crappy Windows 10 S and Home, but not on Pro, Workstation, and Server.
umar4812 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:42:54 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Believe it or not, there are many normal consumers who aren't pro users, who end up having the Pro edition installed.
vitorgrs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:11:06 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Believe it or not, normal people use Pro...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:19 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Artyloo ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:25:37 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
let me know if you need some more help jerking yourself off
sourc3original ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:46:43 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/iamverygoodwithcomputers
joedude1635 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:05:01 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you know what youโre doing, youโre perfectly capable of opening it with the run dialog.
vitorgrs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:07:16 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How do Windows know if you know what you are doing? If you know, I don't think people will care if you type just + one character?
I agree Windows search is not good, but regedit is definitely not the problem here. Yes, it should be hidden. It should even ask for password (this is how macOS, Linux already do when you are trying to modify sensible things)
Also, I believe you can just go to Index option, and select to index Windows folder (if you do that, it will get regedit.exe, likely).
pieplate_rims ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:31:35 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's for the other 98% of the population who doesn't. I too, know what I'm doing, but understand a lot of people can really fuck things up by accident.
[deleted] ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 14:06:36 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If that's the case, a toggle for showing admin tools in search could be nice.
GrzegorzWidla ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 14:37:10 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But it shows admin tools. You just need to explicitly show you actually know their name.
What it could do is learn based on your usage and if you open it several times it shows it immediately as a search result - same as touch keyboard learn you want to say "fuck" or "shit" after you enter them manually couple times.
Toribor ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:50:28 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Super annoying as an administrator though considering I'll touch thousands of installations that require me to access these tools but it'd never learn them from analyzing search behavior since I wouldn't work on each one regularly.
That being said, any default windows setting that I disagree with is basically going to haunt me for eternity considering how many fresh installs I'm going to have to touch.
GrzegorzWidla ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:06:42 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why don't you create your own image of Windows with defaults that you want if you are touching so many fresh installs?
Toribor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:10:57 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I work at a large company so I don't make the images that I use, so a lot of stuff is fixed already, but a lot of it is just things that bother me personally. I write a lot of Powershell to fix common nuisances, but nevertheless I still end up touching a lot of fresh Windows installs professionally and personally so even just a minor thing ends up being something I end up changing or dealing with over and over and over again.
Edit: Also, working on hundreds of different clients servers/workstations, so all bets are off.
umar4812 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:43:53 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And then everyone would enable it. Just like everyone disabled Windows Update.
powerage76 ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 13:59:39 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I logged in with a system administrator account, I expect the system to assist me with my work instead of behaving like my nanny.
GrzegorzWidla ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:38:11 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everybody is an admin - even my grandma on her laptop she is an admin. Until Windows 10 S becomes the default and admin profile is created manually, by choice, no admin profile will be treated as power user.
powerage76 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:32:34 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is bad practice. I put together my parents' machine and since they have no clue about how IT works, both of them are just regular users.
This makes as much sense as a glaucoma surgery through the anus. It doesn't matter if it is a server or granny's laptop, the admin is an admin with all the rights and privileges.
Also, if Windows 10S will ever be the default, it won't solve anything. In fact, security will be a non-issue, since your main problem will be surviving on the Microsoft Store apps only.
Search is crap, it needs to be fixed and not explained.
GalacticSpaceTiger ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:44:32 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry, this was too damn funny!
GrzegorzWidla ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:05:34 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is the default and that was my point.
[deleted] ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 13:14:57 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In which case we need to emphasize again that we don't want Windows being dumbed down just because some dude somewhere may break his computer. You don't make cars artificially go at 10 km/h just because someone might cause an accident.
UmerHasIt ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:20:08 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wellllll that's a bad comparison because a lot of cars are electronically limited. Japanese cars are usually limited to 120mph, German cars 160mph, etc...
sourc3original ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:48:42 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Really? Whats the point of limiting, say, a GTR to 120mph?
UmerHasIt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:46:17 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Japan Automobile Manufacturers Association says so
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_domestic_market
Though, it's not tooooo difficult to get rid of the limiter. On my Lancer, it involves cutting a wire from the ECU, in case you want to take it to a track. But for general use, those safeguards/restrictions are in place
chocolateandmilkwin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:57:57 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Microsoft does not make money from people like you who know what they are doing, they make from having the largest marketshare possible, so if they don't make it very accessible for the average joe, they won't be able to afford making windows at all.
Butts_On_Fire ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:00:49 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The average Joe doesn't need regedit.
Even lusrmgr.msc, gpedit.msc, fsmgmt.msc and appwiz.cpl are hidden from search results unless you know what you are searching for.
MS knows what it's doing, and thus you have powerful system softwares tucked behind a neat GUI to cater to all kinds of people. From regular Joes to GI Joes.
chocolateandmilkwin ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:15:09 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah that was what I was trying to say โบ๏ธ
m4xc4v413r4 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:45:49 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The average Joe doesn't need but they WILL use those tools because they saw on some YouTube video that's the way they increase their fps on Pokemon.
And remember these people are the majority, so don't expect the OS to be tailored to the minority.
GameKyuubi ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:08:39 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That'll be the day!
Koooooj ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:09:18 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Meh, in this case I'd say they made a good call.
This isn't making the car go 10 km/h. It's putting a child resistant cap on a medicine bottle. If you are someone who has a legitimate need to open that bottle then the cap poses only a trivial inconvenience, but if you're not then it can prevent serious harm.
If Windows were locking regedit behind serious barriers then I'd be inclined to agree with you and I think in general your sentiment has a lot of merit, but in this case I'm on Microsoft's side (assuming that this was an intentional attempt to hide system tools from casual users). I'm fine with trivial inconveniences if it makes it a little less likely my friends and family will come to me with a horribly broken OS they want me to fix.
vitorgrs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:11:42 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When, you are literally the minority, so there's no win.
Reacher-Said-Nothing ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:43:57 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It does this just as often with programs built into Windows that Microsoft wants you to use, and even 3rd party software.
nevergetssarcasm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:56:26 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a shit design.
rastilin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:16:03 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are we absolutely sure that this is intentional and not just a bug?
woahacow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:46:15 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes and I believe it was the same with windows 7; regedit would not appear in the result until typed in full.
Atomicnacho ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:36:46 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
this also happens with apps on mmy windows, like "origin", is installed, i can see it in the "app" section in option, but if i search for it it doesn't appear
Mordicad ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:37:17 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Amen..
ImSoDan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:21:52 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've been meaning to make a post about this forever. I work in IT and you can't use the search function for anything reliably. Do you want system properties? Users and computers? Device Manager? Good luck.
These are base windows features than never change but sometimes they just don't appear at all, especially on fresh images.
I've been working on macs a lot lately for work, and one thing I can say is that spotlight search is not like this at all. Type "acti" and you get 'activity monitor' right away every time, it works for basically anything on the machine and it's nearly flawless. Command + Space and then any program or setting is available. Windows should have this totally basic ability.
ihadisr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:33:45 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same boat, I like how there is a built in synonym map for when you're making a wildish guess as to what your looking for: ex, config -> mac system properties
Prcrstntr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:57:13 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice of the notepad video to invite us over for a picnic, eh Luigi?
I hope he has lottsa regdedi
brunettti ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:07:20 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
does anybody know why this happens? because i doubt microsoft does.
RedSign1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:53:30 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This happens because regedit is not available in the indexed locations and therefore it cannot be found by the search function. It is only shown because you can not only do searches in the search box but also execute commands such as regedit. Commands have to be fully typed just like you have in the run dialog (Win + R).
brunettti ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:57:26 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
thatโs acceptable, but what about every other program that doesnโt have a shortcut?
RedSign1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:10:32 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AFAIK all exe files in the windows folder can be started as a command when typing its exact name into search or the run dialog. I just tried with some obscure exes found in the system32 folder and it worked for all of them.
xpclient ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:17:24 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It happens because Windows 10 search finds it thru App Paths, which requires the full executable name to be typed. Install Classic Shell which directly searches EXEs in system paths.
rulerdude ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:24:24 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, it would make sense why they wouldn't want regedit to show on just any search. If you're using regedit you need to know what you're doing, so if someone opens it, it needs to be someone that didn't accidentally open it through a search term
Kir4_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:44:41 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know how, but I've never had any problems with the search function. Just been testing everything people say and even '.txt' works. 'un' for uninstall works.. etc.
regedit should behave like this on the other hand.
While I'm not praising Win10 cuz I see how many people have problems with it, personally I've never had any. Not even force update. So I'm happy that I updated. (before that shitstorm with some update notification or whatever it was)
Anyway I realised the post might be an excellent joke.
catdem ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:01:07 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs a sad fucking joke.
MerryGoWrong ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:33:26 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Palms are sweaty, no results for regedi
IloveReddit84 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:34:21 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They hide admin tools from search on purpose.
danceswithwool ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:43:47 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Delete everything! That will make it work better. /s
NotScrollsApparently ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:45:55 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"uninsta" -> uninstall random app #1
"uninstal" -> add or remove programs (what I actually want)
"uninstall" -> uninstall random app #2
Thomasedv ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:33:39 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not really a bug, as much as intended. Maybe not in all cases, but it's been pretty standard for some of the more "advanced" user programs. Even back in windows 7 from what i can remember.
Not to say the search is bad, it definitively is. However, there are a important thing to notice:
It only searches places it's given(well indexed, because everything else takes too long i gues), so whatever that's the default because no one even knows where to change that. I had some folders that popped-up when searching, which warranted a hasty change of settings...
This probably applies to other stuff too, like programs that simply won't show because the .exe is hidden in a folder that's out of view.
Edit: It straight up can't find a .exe if it's not indexed. So people should really add the correct folders to the indexing! And you can remove filetypes from indexing, if you aren't intersted in getting .dlls for example.
To do so open up any search of choice, choose the top left button to filter, go to bottom and click the button for changing for windows searches. Now you can pick folders and drives to index! And under advanced you can change how it indexes filetypes under the corresponding tab. Even if it's shit, improve your experience a little by configuring this!
Lefty_22 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:50:38 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just tested on my Windows XP laptop and it does the exact same thing. It won't find Regedit using "Reg", "Rege", "Reged", or "Regedi". It will only pull it up if you fully type "Regedit".
shiki_present ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:16:01 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People give me shit for still being on Windows 7, but at this point I don't think I'll ever willingly upgrade to 10
throwaway5641123 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:33:46 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Win 10 is nice. It just needs a single mod to work just as good. Try classic shell. I was VERY skeptical for a long time. Then i decided to try it on a spare hard drive with a legit Win 7 copy on it. Then I used the upgrade that is still available (Win10 for impaired). Dropped classic shell on top of it. Works better than W7, IMO it is more stable, and if i manage to crash my PC due to overzealous overclocking, it will automatically revert to the previous working overclock.
shiki_present ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:21:37 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll definitely keep that in mind, thank you!
abigfoney ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:34:33 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
After windows 7, accidentally opening the search felt kinda like opening internet explorer. Just like aahh shit now I gotta wait for this guy to open so I can quit it.
CY4N ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:44:43 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Windows + R then regedit or install ConEmu windows terminal with Quake style dropdown.
FredFredrickson ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:31:04 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is it possible that they make some functions, like regedit, only show up if you type it in full so that non-power users don't accidentally screw up the system with it?
cheekycherrycola ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:40:46 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I donโt understand the W10 start menu at all. I just got a first class degree in Comp Science and canโt figure it out
Why doesnโt it show all the programs? Why canโt I have Search and Run there?
Thank God for classic shell, I have to install it on every pc I use else Iโm fucked, I donโt know how to find anything
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:54:28 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder why people are still dealing with this steaming pile of shit that Microsoft is calling an OS. I downgraded to 7 and I feel like my PC makes my work easier again instead of it fighting me all the time. They first need to fix this mess before I will take a look at 10 again.
azspeedbullet ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:00:11 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
because you are forced to..windows 7 is not supported by the newer intel/amd chipset
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:18:33 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am running it on my Ryzen machine with wufuc. I know that's not an option in an Enterprise environment but it works well in my situation.
Cartina ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:38:43 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But in 7 you also need to search the whole word "regedit" for it to work
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:33:11 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely true, however I wasn't talking about the search particularly. In general, Windows 10 is giving me issues and I noticed I don't have these issues in 7 (or ever had them in 8.1 for that matter). It wasn't always this bad, I was happy with 10 until the FCU, which messed a lot of things up badly. I just want MS to fix this stuff. If it's fixed, I will happily use 10 again.
dean_L ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:10:20 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can find the VPN setting if I type "VP" but it goes away if I type "VPN"... So, yup.
daddylove03 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:17:13 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Best option. Get a Mac
๐๏ธ hardypart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:36:27 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
lol no
daddylove03 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:48:23 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But it has a very good search function. :(
sud039 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:19:23 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Guys, I'm all for ripping on Windows, but you can just change this behavior in indexing options...
Super_Shitlord_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:22:55 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ClassicShell is the answer youโre looking for.
KCDC3D ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:56:53 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Turn off cortana, use classic shell.
zalgebar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:19:17 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like this is purposeful, so as to keep people who donโt know what theyโre doing from messing up stuff.
Agrees_withyou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:20:39 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't disagree with that!
definetelytrue ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:17:56 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Install classic shell. It restores the old search function and windows menu. Works great.
egomosnonservo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:41:59 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Really wish we could integrate Everything search into the Start menu
jen1980 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:03:56 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mine can't even find "cmd." It's a bad joke.
locnessmnstr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:35:08 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fellow people who hate windows 10
Download classic shell. http://www.classicshell.net
Gives you a windows 7 style menu and the classic search.
TPXP ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:11:36 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People have been complaining about windows 10's for years on this subreddit, and still nothing has been done. This is definitely a joke, as a technician I'm used to swear when someone needs help with windows and I can't find fastly what I'm looking for.
Thank you for wasting my time, it's a pleasure
ldAbl ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:04:52 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is why I use classic shell. The search actually works as intended.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:58:45 on December 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was getting death threats already for complaining about this issue happening me, (not a copy of this thread) to 4Chan /g/. Now I see it here. Am I retarded?
๐๏ธ hardypart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:00:30 on December 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The retarded person is always the person that makes death threats.
LiveLaughLoveRevenge ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 14:28:50 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly what's the point of these threads? There are so many. We get it.
I just don't see the point in posting here instead of the feedback hub, except for the karma and circle-jerk. Why not post a concept of a tabbed file explorer while you're at it?
Sorry for being so bitter.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:49:27 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:20:31 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck! Tabbed Explorer sounds awesome. Why the fuck don't we have that?
AdventurerInTheKnee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:24 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We do on the subreddit, not on Windows though.
B3yondL ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:01:39 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I gotta tell ya, it is pretty awesome
ThotPolice1984 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:38:37 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finder is a fucking joke otherwise though lol
B3yondL ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:01:47 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's better than Explorer in pretty much every way when you turn off the default 'show all my files' and make the path bar visible. And the toolbar is customizable.
ThotPolice1984 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:08:44 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Apart from tabs, explorer does everything finder does and more. Finder is incredibly painful to use; much easier to just use the terminal for any serious file management.
FliesMoreCeilings ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:48:50 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's a tabbed file explorer replacement called Clover. Seems to be based on chrome. Don't expect it to be bug-free or anything, but it does pretty much what you need
Beloved_King_Jong_Un ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:46 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would love to be able to expand folders in the view like MacOS has much more than a tabbed browser.
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 17:01:05 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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sh1ggy ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:53:36 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because Windows is an absolute shit show of an OS. Some of us literally have no other choice than to use it and it's just so incredibly frustrating to see it getting worse and worse every freaking year. Some people just feel the need to vent, and I absolutely understand that.
If I could, I would gladly say goodbye to Microsoft. Can't.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:02:42 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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sh1ggy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:28:48 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks. I absolutely agree: We need a new OS. Microsoft is constantly adding more and more shit with an absolutely outdated foundation beneath it. Unfortunately they HAVE to do that because a lot of programs are based on those old things. It's a downward spiral.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:28:16 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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LiveLaughLoveRevenge ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:34:03 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was pointing out that it is a pointless and unproductive post at this point. Much in the same way as your comment is pointless and unproductive.
henryviwasanicebloke ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:11:16 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you're tired of microsoft's bullshittery, you can try classic shell. Lets you get a start menu similar to windows7/vista/xp, and you can customize the shit out of it. Also fixes the search function.
I wasn't paid by them, it's just a great tool. It's also free.
Satisfying_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:37:21 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's because you have search indexing off dumbass
wearechemistry ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:32:56 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Any other OS > Windows
lancea_longini ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:02:36 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I read somewhere that the Edge browser was as good as chrome or Firefox etc. nope. You need Windows 10 to run it.
TwistedAero ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:45:28 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Guys, do you think this possible could be a safety feature rather than a fault ? There is good reason to hide the regedit.
trimbfit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:03:04 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well the thing is regedit isnโt he kind of think youโd want to stumble across and start editing Without knowing the consequences
HOLDINtheACES ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:23:21 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd go so far as to say that if you don't think to launch regedit with run, you shouldn't be launching regedit.
๐๏ธ hardypart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:48:48 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe with the Home Edition, but sure not with the Enterprise Edition.
hellothere156 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:00:33 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The irony here is, that thread has become the Most Upvoted Post of All Time in this sub despite the fact that:
It's not a bug and Windows search is actually working as intended for this particular case to prevent casual users from messing up with registry.
This behavior is not even exclusive to Windows 10, if you want to search for "regedit" on Windows 7, you'll need to type the whole word too like Win 10.
Typical Circlejerk.
barrister89 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:28 on November 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even so people are discussing other bugs with search
georgeMns ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:30:31 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
its hidden on porpuse
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:04:18 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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SuperMonkeyJoe ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:01:01 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've seen a search for "update" return "windows updates", add an S to search for "updates", no results found. it's just baffling.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:15:23 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's an excellent joke.
devperez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:43:47 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm currently using Wox to replace the search. Seems to work okay.
8xrx8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:51:16 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd recommend installing Everything, it's indexing speed is amazing. Also you can map hotkeys to open it, I have Win + S disabled in registry to not trigger Windows search and mapped to show Everything window
countachqv ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:56:21 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just gave up with the widows search thing. Nothing is better than this.
clexecute ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:09 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It learns your searches which is comically annoying. Now when I type, "appwiz.cpl" in search from the moment I finish "app" it fills it in as appwiz.cpl as a Google search, when I finish typing it out it changes to opening the control panel
LikelyAFox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:30 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mine wont even do a 1 to 1 match most the time, try the program "everything" it's instant and accurate af
Marquizel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:04 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
on windows 10 home edition I've had to reinstall a few programs including Malwarebytes and then Windows Defender freaks out and tells me to enable the firewall again
MitsuAttax ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:26 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It has been since forever.
kokesh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:30:44 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also most of thr time you type and nothing is found. So you clear the text and search exactly the same again. And it finds it. WTF?
CountyMcCounterson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:33:38 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sometimes you type the whole thing in and it just doesn't recognise what you are searching for but then you do it again later and it does show the correct result.
iJeffwuh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:36:57 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can never find Origin. Drives me crazy. I only load it a couple times a year but still frustrating.
SmartOneZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:59 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I find this annoying too
The_MAZZTer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:39 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
tl;dr the old Run dialog never did it, is it that unreasonable search doesn't do it either?
This is probably because search is intended to look through it's local databases for results for you from the Start Menu, your Documents/Pictures/Videos/Music, the web, control panel, etc.
It can also act as a Run replacement but for it to search in that context it would need to look through all the executable search paths for a match, and most of those paths are probably not in the search index which means a slightly slower search though I would think it would still be quite usable. Maybe they felt it wasn't worth the effort to implement that just for running commands.
Anyway if you type the full path (so no searching needed) it should show autocomplete options I think. Not sure, not on Windows 10 at the moment.
kougan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:47 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Search cant even find the folders or files in my pc it just shows internet results...
CantBanMeAgain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:01:52 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its a fucking joke!!!!!!!!!
outadoc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:13 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thatโs because youโre typing the name of the exe. Same behavior for all executables in system32, unless you type their โfriendly nameโ which is listed in the startup menu.
20000Fish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:07 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For some reason, post-XP, the search function just grew to be completely broken.
I'm still on W7 and it constantly refuses to find things that I know are there. I've ctrl+F'd for files in specific folders that I can actually see right there and it'll still refuse to show them sometimes. Sometimes I'll hit the windows key and start typing a program name that I forgot I added to the start menu and it won't appear. Even worse, sometimes I'll search for a specific filetype by typing "filetype: .mp3" or whatever and it'll give me miscellaneous non-mp3 files.
I'm not sure how it got to be so fucked up, whether it was some difference in how files are stored and indexed, but it's just so goddamn broken and inconsistent. And yes, I've indexed all my drives and all folder locations.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:53 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
bed joke. ๐ก๐ก๐ก
dank4tao ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:08:41 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everything search tool is your answer: voidtools.com
xJoe3x ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:19 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Make sure your indexing settings are correct.
Codex_of_Wisdom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:50 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The other day I put in "Printers" and, as I typed, I noticed "Printer" gave me the "Printers and Scanners" link, but as soon as I put the "S" at the end, it went to a web search and got rid of the direct "Printers and Scanners" option.
kritzikratzi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:16:36 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
fyi, they are experimenting with a new search feature and afaik you can enable it already.
https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft-working-new-search-ui-windows-10
Kandoh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:17:29 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I miss 8.1, I really regret upgrading.
notsurebutbestguess ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:21:30 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Still better than reddit search.
runny6play ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:21:59 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All of the OS config tools are like this. They dont want you to come across it accidentially. This is a poor example.
Pole-Cratt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:03 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't find the Xbox app to stream my fucking XBOne. It just doesn't find it.
seeyew_soon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:47 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Worth noting, it appears that Win10's search makes an attempt to keep high system level tools out of the hands of those who are simply click-happy. Meaning it won't suggest them til its sure that's what you're looking for. After all, this is an OS for the masses.
Like a couple others on this thread, I prefer Linux (mostly Fedora as of late), with W10 for the games that demand it.
zebedir ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:49 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Often doesn't even let me enter a search
AkazaAkari ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:34:52 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At least your search even functions. My start button, action center, and search doesn't work most of the time after installing the FCU.
SixthGrader ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:35:31 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh dang this happens to me but I didn't know it annoyed me until just now. Thanks for that
edible_aids ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:05 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If they would bring back the Winkey + X then 'P' for control panel I would be a happy dude. Or if they just had the control panel as an option right from clicking the start key, I would be a happy dude.
mellow999 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:34:01 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
if they just kept updating win7 instead of making win10 id be happy
edible_aids ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:35:38 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty much. I only updated to win10 for directx12 which I really don't even know what the difference is so I guess that wasn't really a good reason to update.
IceColdMexicanCoke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:44:04 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Netplwiz has been like this forever.
nattypnutbuterpolice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:25 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't even use the search function unless I know exactly what I'm looking for and even then only if I'm somehow too lazy to find the shortcut I made specifically to avoid using the search function in the first place.
CharaNalaar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:26 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This doesn't happen to me. Did you disable Cortana?
๐๏ธ hardypart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:44:01 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes.
Linkage006 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:01:50 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I literally just did this like 30 minutes ago.
GodEmperorSnowflake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:04:33 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Get regedi regedi reged, son
81isnumber1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:04:52 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I ran a search for something (application launcher for python environment used for homework assignments) and it came up. Went to look for it again 10 minutes later to make a shortcut and it didn't show up.
RevivedBear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:05:06 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It literally searches for that exact string rather than searching whether application names compare that string, major issue
ForeverALone_Ranger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:06:19 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus, if I wanted an OS that babied me, I'd just get a Mac.
Degru ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:08:42 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, was noticing it got worse.
mnemoniker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:08:56 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good luck getting Devices and Printers to show up. One of the only 3 or 4 things in Control Panel you actually ever use.
themysteryking ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:12:34 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know the feeling. I use bitlocker for every asset at work and I know I can get to it other ways, but I still try to use search and it will only recognize it if I type it all out, then backspace a couple of letters.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:12:55 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For me it just doesn't find things, at all.
I installed Origin, and while installing I hit "don't create desktop icons or start menu icons".
So then I wanted to start it, typed "origin" into this search to open it quickly. It didn't find anything, except for the installer.
So then I went into C->Programs and there was a folder "origin" with in it a program "origin" and a thousand other files all named "origin...". Which the search function apparently refuses to find.
Cervidantidus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:14:23 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice flair- bug.
This is not a bug.
This is Windows 10 search function being garbage. I had to download an app just to search files. Trying to find specific objects in my Sims 4 mods folder- something like, for example,
kittykat_cat_ears_headband_MALE
No results for kitty. No results for kittycat. No resoluts for cat. No results for kittykat_cat. No results for cat_ears. No results for headband.
With the app I got to search? Instant results for all of those.
https://imgur.com/a/WQfxe
Comparisons of Windows 10 search versus "Everything" search.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:14:58 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Data Science isn't an exact science, okay.
watchdog4u ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:16:40 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Loll
mustXdestroy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:18:03 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reminds me of searching for posts on Reddit
WhiteNether ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:18:08 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just thought about this. Had a paper called "Final Paper for FAM 2049" and I searched "FAM 2049" and nothing came up...I thought I had lost all my progress or something
zigzagg321 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:18:56 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Spotlight FTW.
old_snake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:22:27 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You must be new to Windows?
fnord123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:22:39 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Spotlight isbt much better on mac. "tex" matches TextEdit. "text" matches TextShop (latex editor I have installed). "texte" matches TextEdit.
Its infuriating when it shuffles the results under me.
ghofmann ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:23:07 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So terrible
seehp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:23:34 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, you wouldn't think the regular Win10 user might know of regedt. Better not make them think about that kind of stuff!
I wonder why it does not offer something instead, like, a game, or maybe buy some music, some U2? Oh, wrong company.
ta2017feb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:24:07 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are there any good 3rd party search tools?
xpclient ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:21:42 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Classic Shell or Voidtools Everything.
deathsoverture ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:25:45 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you make a typo in this window, don't bother manipulating your cursor position or hitting ctrl+a cause that shit don't work.
bloqs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:27:08 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This will probably not be read but downloading Everything and using it from right click menu/start menu icon has proven almost as good as windows 7 search. Fuc|< cortana and the metro UI meme nonsense. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everything_(software)
HelperBot_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:27:14 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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mellow999 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:30:32 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you cant 'send to desktop' from the start menu anymore either :c
lorenzojr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:33:47 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can use this instead of windows search https://www.voidtools.com
vistaedmarket ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:35:15 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Use everything instead https://www.voidtools.com
Hawkedb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:36:32 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
LPT: Get Launchy and never worry about this again
scorcher24 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:37:16 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I memorized the names of the most important control elements, so I can launch them via Win+R directly. Not excusing the bug, just how I do it.
ShroomiaCo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:37:45 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lately when I search for Spotify, it redirects me to the website instead of sending me to the already installed app. Like wtf?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:38:06 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Windows was never good at searching, search patterns, and globbing. It had so many legacy quirks that entire books have been written. In that sense Win 10 is just a novice where even simple word and boundary completions have yet to be implemented consistently. They are still recovering from years of obfuscation.
JXRT190 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:38:43 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd highly recommend downloading Wox and Everything Search. It's 10x faster and 10x more accurate than Windows search
Captain_Catco ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:38:46 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just deleted cortana, not worth it
intromatt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:42:55 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They could literally hire one person for a weekend to fix this for $200. I would do it.
JohnStamosBRAH ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:43:03 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Has there been any public acknowledgment from MS about this? It's crazy how such an important utility has been so hobbled for so long with no word of a fix any time soon.
EliaTheGiraffe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:45:23 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How did search get so bad? It was flawless on 7/8/8.1
vectorlit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:25 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This happens on my windows machines when I disable Cortana. You have to turn search indexing on manually after disabling Cortana for search. You should also check to make sure that the c: is marked for indexing (right click c:, ensure box is checked).
brettins ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:49:26 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This might be a good time to mention Launchy, which has fuzzy search for commands and apps on Windows machines, and takes care of this really well.
BlazemanEXE ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:50:05 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've literally searched for bitlocker on multiple windows 10 machines at work (same image, same model, etc.); half the time they find bitlocker correctly, and the other half tries to Bing search "bitlocker"...
Osiris19 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:51:05 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Funny, because coming from mac, I type "Term"[inal] to get to Command Prompt and from my Windows 7 habits "My PC" to get to This Computer, or whatever its called.
Super thankful they put those in.
ChardMuffin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:51:17 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I want to quickly open the Downloads folder through search I have to type โDownloadโ and it comes up, but if I add an โsโ (โDownloadsโ) it opens up edge and does a web search, even though the name of the folder is โDownloadsโ with the โsโ
So poorly designed
ipickuppennies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:53:06 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not really a good example. I'm not saying the Win10 search is good or bad. In the case of regedit, I think they made it where you have to type in the whole word so yahoos cannot accidentally open regedit. Nearly any other program I tried finds it after just a couple of letters.
LunarD3ATH ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:53:55 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just hate that not everything shows up in the search folder like it should. Can't look up most of my installed games from Steam, so what's the point?
It's a relatively minor complaint since I know where to find my shortcuts and I can always just open up Steam and type in the name that way, but it still pisses me off.
ChazzyDango ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:07 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's because its a command, for example if you type in ipconfi the ipconfig command wont show up
Neilas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:56:43 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love that builds past 1507 can't find "Devices and Printers" in control panel when you type it into search. Its the biggest pain in my ass for most of my jobs.
meauho ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:12:23 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Type in "Printer". That's the only way it comes up for me.
Neilas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:03:35 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All I get is the settings panel one. I still prefer the Control Panel one. I'm also on 1709.
meauho ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:09:06 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm on 1884 and it comes up with the Control Panel one.
Started doing it after the update a couple of weeks ago.
ickywickylollipop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:00:08 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Could well be that regedit needs entire term to avoid accidental execution by unwitting users
meauho ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:11:25 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That doesn't explain why "printers" always brings up "Devices and Printers", but searching "Devices and Printers" tells me to search the internet.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:02:28 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.voidtools.com/support/everything/
humblepotatopeeler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:11:30 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I experience this Bug way too often.
Res0lu7ion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:15:33 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My favorite part is when I'm typing something in the search, it's the selected thing on the top of the menu, I hit enter and just before it goes it changes to something else.
HOLDINtheACES ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:16:51 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why wouldn't you just Win+R, "regedit", enter?
If I know the name of it, I always just Win+r
ficm1990 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:17:10 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like when I search for a folder and an Edge browser opens searching the internet for shit...Apple had this search PC function figured out like 10 years ago.
StumptownRetro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:21:31 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sometimes it works, other times it doesnโt. Definitely not as good as MacOS Spotlight but honestly itโs better than trying to game on a Mac.
mpuckett259 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:23:33 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's been like that for a while. They don't want people accidentally getting in to regedit.
ragn4rok234 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:23:50 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The best feature of windows 8 (arguably only decent feature) was its search function. Not sure how they fucked it up so bad in win10
rConspiracyIs4Shills ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:23:57 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
W10 copied Reddit's search algorithm!
IShavedMyNutsForThis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:09 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If it makes you feel better it just did the exact same thing to me in Windows 7.
mattalxdr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:25:36 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My favorite is entering "System Information" into the search bar, and getting different results each time. Such lovely new features with Windows 10!
Spec-Chum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:25:43 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I always thought this was due to this being a potentially dangerous application to run so you have to type the full name to make sure that's exactly what you meant.
Saying that, UAC comes up as well so I dunno :)
EDIT: never mind, I should have read more comments before posting this for the umpteenth time lol
prodygee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:27:12 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's weird that Windows' own search algorithm seems to suck and bog down the pc (while indexing once in a while), while the program 'Everything' seems to be able to find ANY file as you type without exhausting your CPU.
SeljD_SLO ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:30:27 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
at least it's usable, I present you Google Translate trying translate "Matiฤek se ลพeni"(Matiฤek is getting married) !!offensive word included!!
ZmoneroZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:30:29 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I dont want regedit to pop up first thing when someone hits R, a few idiots use my pc
Throwawayxktbhg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:30:59 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My favorite part of windows 10 is the clickbatey login screen. It is some interesting picture and some half caption like "this is a hidden jewel of europe, if only people knew about...". If you take the bait, it takes you to a bing search. No one uses bing, so now the login screen serves as a way to bump up hits on the search engine, which they can then tell advertisers about. " Advertise on bing, just look at how many people use it"!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:31:53 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Somehow worse than the Reddit app search feature..
hedgecore77 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:32:05 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My first (and continuing) impression is that they made a graphical command prompt. You gotta type in all the commands anyway, my fingers haven't gotten a workout like that since DOS.
Earthfury ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:43:16 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Windows 10 as a whole is a bad joke. No idea what was wrong with Windows 7.
Firemanz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:43:36 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't see how this is a bug. It's happened on every windows 10 computer I've used since launch.
SDH500 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:44:04 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am sure your fully aware all version of windows do this by now. Even the server versions. I am just checking to make sure.
cquinn5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:45:26 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
lmao why not just WIN+R?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:46:10 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I went into regedit and deleted Cortana.
It doesn't make it search better, but it's lot less annoying, with no suggestions.
Even when I disabled Cortana internet recommendations they kept coming. So I just got rid of her.
Lorderan56 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:48:55 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is beyond useless!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:54:42 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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๐๏ธ hardypart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:41:15 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's my work machine, we have a couple of browser applications that require IE.
snp4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:00:53 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Although this comment has no mean what so ever, no added context nor opinions which the other may value, I broke the 666 comment number, which is a bragging right which I can and I will hold and boast for many years to come. Yes, I did just watch Rick and Morty.
elricochico ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:01:16 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So is Windows 10
dmn002 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:01:32 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
File search is just as bad, I use a program called Everything for that: https://www.voidtools.com/
LeapoX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:03:11 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure this one is on purpose. They require exact-name matches for low-level system utilities.
megahighmaniac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:04:46 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shit like this is why I'm still on 7.
UltraEdits ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:06:21 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Look up search everything
federicoratt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:12:40 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Power user/administrator system settlings like regedit aren't found through the predictive search index. CMD, Services and such. It's not a W10 feature alone. And I think it's actually on purpose and it's been like that since there's a search bar at the Start Menu; since W7.
lolfactor1000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:12:49 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've yet to have an issue with windows search on any of the devices I service. Is this just a luck of the draw type of thing?
Salient0ne ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:14:18 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I gave up and installed a search program called 'everything'.
FlameOfWar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:14:45 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here's my question: don't any of the Microsoft quality employees use Windows 10. Have none of them tried to search on their PC and had problems like this? How does something this easily noticeable and fixable continue?
longshot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:19:05 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like it has somehow gotten worse.
MetroidSkittles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:21:07 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe they hide it by design as "normal" users never need to see it and anyone looking for it already know the full name of the command.
JimmyReagan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:22:06 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Windows 7 search was great, quick and useful. It was godawful in 8/8.1. 10 is somewhere in between...
Lenobis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:23:25 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As it says in the picture, regedit is a command. Commands need to be typed as a while into the search bar.
HellkittyAnarchy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:25:52 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Change your indexing to not the default folders and items. It'll take a while to index but you'll have working search. Why it doesn't do this by default I have no idea.
slackjack2014 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:32:38 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When I go to search for PowerShell, I have to put โpowershell.exeโ or it will try to open ISE... it wonโt even show up until I put the .exe in the search...
chickenbeatscow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:34:19 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Got so much worse with the last updates. It basically takes less time to search everything manually.
StanleyOpar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:37:33 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I play a shitty little game where I try to find my requested file before windows 10 search can find it.
So far I'm the undefeated champion
RedSign1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:43:10 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is because regedit is not available in the indexed locations and therefore it cannot be found by the search function. It is only shown because you can not only do searches in the search box but also execute commands such as regedit. Commands have to be fully typed just like you have in the run dialog (Win + R).
It has nothing to do with regedit being an adminstration tool. There are other administration tools that were found by just typing a few letters of their name because those tools have entries in the startmenu so that the search can find them. Regedit isn't in the start menu and can only be executed by typing its full command.
I'm not defending the windows search but in this case it is the intended behavior.
LambchopOfGod ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:43:30 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My favorite is searching for "Note" and the first thing that comes up is Sticky Notes. Did I type sticky anywhere? No. I don't want to use a shit gimmicky program, I want the useful notepad.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:44:18 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The search is awful. Type in too much of the word and the search result disappears, sometimes it doesn't even show the application I want.
Shiroi_Kage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:48:07 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think this particular one is a safety measure. You don't get to access things that used to be run commands unless you type them fully.
UltravioletClearance ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:56:44 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You've got an email BTW
Cornfapper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:00:00 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you type 'ffice' instead of 'Office' it doesnt find shit. How is the search function this bad?
ItsDeckyah ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:01:15 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm pretty sure they do this just for the registry editor so that any old Joe Blow canโt access it an fuck everything up. Just my guess
robledog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:04:50 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ALT + F4 DO IT ..... DO IT NOW!!!!
~ Hackerman
FatchRacall ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:10:39 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is because you're not "playing ball" and using cortana along with all the other spy features. Of course the "base, unimproved" version will be shit. That way you'll switch for convenience's sake.
sdotsully ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:13:01 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Install small web app called search everything. Itโs super fast at searching your computer files, puts windows search to shame.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:15:44 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I also love (read: hate) that it starts searching the moment you type the first letter, so it freezes up and presents worthless results before you're finished typing the actual search term.
UnubiquitousUnau ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:17:03 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
On top of disabling Cortana, you can modify your PATH variable to include anywhere you want quickly indexed here. Just don't go crazy and don't remove anything from there or you'll slow down or nuke your PC. I set up a directory full of shortcuts to things I'll want to access in the future, and just slapped it onto the end of the PATH variable.
There are also programs to emulate an older style Windows start menu which was more compact and didn't include a web search. I use Classic Shell and it's perfectly snappy.
PornCartel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:28:16 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Download an app called everything.exe. It instantly shows you all file results as you type the search, absolutely invaluable.
scotscott ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:28:18 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
General regedi!
Gr1pp717 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:30:18 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought this was a regex joke for a solid /1\d/g seconds.
MatrixNymph ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:41:23 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People still use the search function? I've just put a shortcut to Everything on my start menu instead for awhile now.
Stormcrownn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:41:33 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I installed the application "Everything" and it's solved all my search problems.
Polengoldur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:43:25 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
wanna have fun with windows? try to get back the old Windows Photo Viewer. its still in there, its just damn near impossible to get to.
๐๏ธ hardypart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:38:57 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can reactivate it in the registry. Wait, let me type "regedi" real quick... OH CRAP I NEED TO TYPE THE FULL WORD
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:50:08 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Obviously that's to prevent noobs/kids from modifying fragile system settings
Zenniverse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:54:10 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Insert joke about Redditโs search engine here
Medlir ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:55:42 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm so used to typing just gpedit for group policy editor, but for some reason that brings up Cygwin's XWindows Server... adding the period somehow makes it go "AHA!" though. And adding the full msc extension it finds it just fine as well.
https://i.imgur.com/haYuewD.png
PM_ME_HAIRLESS_CATS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:57:53 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How does Search suck this bad Microsoft??!?!
lostmyusername2ice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:58:29 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's annoiying as fuck
wenjo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:59:20 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
everytime i search for the VLC player that I know I have
throwaway5641123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:18:56 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Taskbar or desktop shortcuts are out of fashion in 2017?
wenjo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:24:50 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i need this maybe once every couple of months otherwise i just open the file directly
Thigh_Clapper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:04:42 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I had visual studio 2013 and 2016 installed at one point. When searching visual studio, it switches between which version opens every couple characters. The new search is my biggest issue with win 10.
throwaway5641123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:08:53 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just tried it. Regedit.exe comes up after typing "rege", calculator pops up after typing "cal", DxDiag after "Dx". The only change I made to Windows 10 is Classic Shell.
Imrhien ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:20:10 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can confirm, this is a real disappointment. Also searching for files sucks as web results seem to be preferred
yet-another-username ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:33:36 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Windows 10 search is terrible in general, but probably the most frustrating thing is that Control Panel settings aren't searchable anymore.
If you want to make Metro settings a replacement for Control panel, at least provide a equivalent experience.
/rant
TheMoves ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:37:43 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For me to open IE (I need to use it to log in to work) I have to type 'iexplore' to launch the process, it can't even find IE. Recently it would only find things on my secondary and tertiary drives and not on my OS drive despite the OS drive being the only one indexed. Did a complete OS reinstall due to a myriad of other issues Win10 has given me and now some things on my OS drive show up and nothing on the other drives does. Honestly (and I know I'm in the Win10 sub here) there's no way I'd still be using Windows after all the shit it's given me since 8 if I didn't require it for remotely logging in to work. How can they not sort this shit out?
jld2k6 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:37:46 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know if it's just my system, but i can click on search and type something in and the letters won't even start appearing for over 5 seconds. Searching on Windows was always instant for me before windows 10 and now I fucking hate having to use it to open anything.
marcdxn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:47:23 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The amount of people daily since moving users to Windows 10 I have to tell to click start and just type that's your search...
Eventually it will sink in...
I live and I hope but god knows after finding a new IT firm in the building I manage checking over what they have my days are numbered... I think they are getting rid of the company I work for come contract renewal time.
Hope calc works =/
cutcopy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:48:52 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Search might be using 2-gram analysis.
unicornlocostacos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:49:18 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I seriously canโt understand how itโs so shitty.
hell31 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:04:15 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes its terrible, but I think an update is coming. I saw a video about this search with a very fast search and indexing engine.
Alanator222 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:07:31 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Almost as bad as Reddit.
TetonCharles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:08:49 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought it was intentional torture.
nunoncastors ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:17:26 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hit Windows key.
CMD <enter>
Web browser loads up with a bing search for CMD
Sighing intensifies
Dragon472ftw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:36:47 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This must be doctored, internet explorer is open
๐๏ธ hardypart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:36:05 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's my work machine. We have a couple of browser applications that require IE.
Thanatanos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:40:38 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Regedit has always been this way 10, 8, 7, and Vista IIRC. Regedit is considered an administrative tool, and doesn't normally need to be used by an end-user (who may do something destructive on accident). This is put there in place and is specific to administrative applications in windows. It is good that it's there.
Cpt_Howl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:45:15 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Microsoft is a bad joke.
brendalspace ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:47:54 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ha when you type โDevices and printersโ............then nothing, and have to go all the way into control panel to get to it. Fucks with my head every time ๐
___Steve ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:52:38 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A quicker method is:
brendalspace ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:02:20 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sweet ๐๐ป
RobKhonsu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:49:33 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think this is intentional to prevent accidental launching of these utilities, or rather special exceptions are put in place for launching applications like these.
The same situation occurs when launching applets like compmgmt.msc or appwiz.cpl. Both of these need the complete applet name typed in for them to launch. I will admit though that launching them through the start menu seams to have improved since the initial launch. In events where the start menu has problems loading instantly, if you were to finish typing them in before the menu loaded you would get a bing search for the applet. As of a few months ago even if you get these in faster than the computer can think the applet will still open up.
FunkyPants1263 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:03:02 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Literally cant find folders on my desktop
danklasson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:23:59 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Windows is a bad joke
cs99999999991 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:27:05 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The start menu got me so pumped at first... sigh
Bricka_Bracka ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:50:09 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i wondered why i couldn't find notepad until i typed the whole damned thing.
not only that, it literally wasn't in the list of programs...so what is the damn start menu for again?
sonny_goliath ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:53:34 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iโve found that searching inside the file explorer works way better
mekio_san ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:54:38 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Administrative tools only appear in search after you have spelled the entire thing. It keeps newbies from messing things up.
__________________99 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:07:02 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I shouldn't have to get all the way to the "m" of Device Manager before it brings it up for me.
shashmalash ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:47:06 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Literary canโt even use the function anymore...
studbeefpile ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:58:38 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lately when I've typed cmd in search and hit enter without looking it fires up Edge and searches Bing for cmd.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:59:44 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also a very slow joke
brulez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:17:05 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The worst part is search worked great in Windows 7.
Alupang ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:37:08 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not worked but works. FTFY.
About 50% of all Windows users still use Windows 7. 8.1 finds stuff too BTW.
Billyprice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:31:50 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I always get random system files when I'm asking it to calculate something like 59/7
SEDGE-DemonSeed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:43:33 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The one thing I hate about Windows 10 everything else is golden so far. Although the inability for me to use a xbone controller on my pc due to a glitch is pretty annoying.
thebigru ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:46:51 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is so abysmal I am considering completely reinstalling. I have tried EVERYTHING and spent hours trying to get it to index my downloads folder and my desktop for example. I can specifically specify "INDEX MY FUCKING DESKTOP" and reindex everything, and it cant find a file called Minecraft.exe on the desktop while I'm sitting there looking at it. So infuriating.
thebigru ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:49:43 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hate to be that guy but I use spotlight on my mac to launch almost everything and when I come back to windows 10 I am every day reminded - oh yeah, the technology isn't quite there yet to type the first 4 letters of the app and hit enter to launch it :(
dpistachio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:20:41 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same with msconfig
stealer0517 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:16:30 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's what thing I've noticed. Programs in system32 (or whever cmd takes you to by default) will show up in there if you type out their exact name.
For instance diskpart (command line disk partitioning tool) will only show up if I type the name it perfectly. Why this happens? IDK, but knowing that makes it a lot more constant at least.
TJGM ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:23:15 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Considering it looks like you haven't updated Windows 10 in a few months (if at all), I wouldn't be surprised if your 'Power User' tweaks broke the Search function.
redw1ng ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:24:03 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Searching for bitlocker is the funniest. How do you find it with 4-5 letters but not when I type the full word. I use classic start and it is amazing compared to this hot garbage.
dexterelu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:38:02 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Windows search is like OS X Spotlight in a way. In all other ways it's like Windows Mobile itself when compared to iOS.
Kubiac6666 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:49:44 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe the don't what people find these programs so easy. You can do a lot of damage with them. Only with some programs search behaves like this.
KyleBryan814 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:06:17 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't understand why people think they can look up regedit by only typing part of it? It's been that way since Win 7. You need to know what you're looking for. Especially something as dangerous as regedit.
bennybenbenben ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:16:38 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is actually the main reason i wonโt move back to PCโs- tell me there is a work around?
Anonymousno900 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:35:59 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ikr
Corruptforce ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:41:55 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's worth noting that I'm pretty sure 1709 has completely screwed indexing.
Malok3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:10:56 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The search function has drastically been improved since updates though
goodolarchie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:29:55 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Secure by obscure? Eg. No stumbling into it by my parents.
DavidSpy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:04:07 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have a doc on my desktop called โsocial linksโ. If I search for this doc using โsocialโ itโll never show up but if I search for โlinksโ itโs the top result. Go figure.
iveyyy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:28:44 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's an administrative tool, why should it show up so easily? Search is perfectly fine for regular users, including myself.
LS_07 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:45:28 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wish Alfred would make a Windows version of their app too, I would use the heck out of it. I've tried other Alfred equivalents on Windows and they're all really bad.
Alfred search intelligence is amazing, and then there is the amazing customizability and extension support too.
sindex23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:06:13 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This annoys me. Two days ago typing "calc" would no longer bring up the calculator. "No results found." Two days later it not only brings calculator up, but also brings up OpenOfficeCalc, which is like shitty Excel. That's fine that it finds both results and all, but what the hell was happening for the previous two days when no results were there?
barrister89 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:08:55 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The name of the Open Office program is Calc. Why would would you not want a search to display it as one of the top results if you have the program installed on your computer?
sindex23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:20:32 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not saying I don't want it appearing. I'm saying it's weird it didn't appear for the previous year of being installed, and even weirder that even calculator didn't appear for two days randomly.
Deranox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:16:56 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Watch as a nearly 22k upvoted topic won't get a single answer from a Microsoft employee as they won't do a thing about search. They haven't for the past 2.5 years and they won't for the next major update either.
therealBoomboy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:41:09 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I made a maze of folders, and then in one of the folders in a random folder (I didnโt forget where it was) I made a text document containing a lot of my passwords. One day I made it a hidden document, and I only did that, because I didnโt want to be able to search for it, but now, I canโt find the document. Itโs gone! Could someone help me? How can I find it again?
xpclient ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:30:01 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This behavior happens because Windows 10 search finds regedit thru App Paths (HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\App Paths), which requires the full executable name to be typed or it won't show up. Install Classic Shell which directly searches EXEs in system paths like C:\Windows and system32.
flizzflobking ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:39:46 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't this because regedit is a command?
Antoniodelaiglesia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:56:18 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Regedit doesn't came up in search because system32 is not an indexed folder by obvious reasons. Indexing system32 will kill your PC performance. You can do it if you want right clicking system32 and checking the corresponding checkbox, but it is a very bad idea.
"But notepad is in System32 and it shows up when I write notep...". Yes, notepad appears when searching because there is a shurtcut to it into Start Menu folder, which is an indexed location.
Regedit had a shortcut into Start Menu three or four years ago, but Microsoft removed that shortcut in purpose making it not indexed to avoid not experimented users opening it. This is a political decision. It was removed in 1703 feature update.
For that reason, regedit only shows up if you write it's complete name, and it is in that way because system32 is on PATH environment variable.
If you want regedit to appear into search create a shortcut into Start Menu folder, and it will match totally or partially "regedit.exe", "Windows Registry Editor" and the name you give to the shortcut.
Just one more thing. If you don't know what this comment states, maybe you should not be using regedit. Please, be careful.
barrister89 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:10:15 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But it does come up if you type the full command name.
Antoniodelaiglesia ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:10:09 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because is in PATH environment var. If you write regedit in execute dialog or cmd it will come up too.
shojimeguro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:05:02 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i turned off my cortana
Fan7a_Orange ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:57:53 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
OP is a bad joke. This is intentional.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:38:48 on November 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Use classic shell, no more nonsense research results.
slayvant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:11:37 on November 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As a computer tech this is a demon I battle daily. It's not getting better anytime soon.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:29:00 on November 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Windows 10 is fucking awful. Why do i need a Lockscreen on my PC?
Aaarghhh...
Stick1000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:45:11 on November 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here we see one of the rare 20k+ upvotes on this sub.
Hrvatix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:17:31 on November 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Am I the only one that actually likes this behavior? It clearly avoids situations when average user types in something like reg, re, etc and accidentally opening Regedit and messing with something in there. This way it keeps some bad stuff from happening! Just mine 2cents.
andrefreitas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:03:59 on November 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've solved most of my Windows 10 Start Menu issues (no search, stuck on downloading Apps, random explorer.exe restarts) on multiple computers just by deleting everything inside:
C:\Users\username\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\INetCache C:\Users\username\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\WebCache
and the file:
C:\Users\username\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\WebCacheLock.dat
Just replace username with the username of the computer that you are having issues.
I also usually delete the same contents from the folders and file inside the Default account C:\Users\Default\
Dick_O_Rosary ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:59:51 on November 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just tried it on my Win7 box. Same behavior. Lends credence to the theory that this is a "feature."
HMS_TV ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:17:59 on November 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This shit needs to be fixed Most of times i have this issues and its making me harder to go through my day without typing the whole name
thaneak96 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:57:32 on December 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair this happened in Win 7 as well. It's not specific with Regedit as well
paninee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:20:21 on January 2, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh WTF!!
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big_dumb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:29:06 on March 14, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hey at least it works 50 times better than Apple's Spotlight Search
-cranky ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:20:06 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Works fine for me.
harald921 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:07:27 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It found the "regedit app" (makes me cringe just to say that) rather than running the regedit Run command.
latisullivan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:43:18 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're using IE. You're a bad joke. /s
๐๏ธ hardypart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:49:47 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's my work machine, we have a couple of browser application that rely on IE.
latisullivan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:32:36 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know, I was just kidding. I know for some things IE is still needed.
mrblods ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:40:16 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is BY DESIGN. You don't want your average non-technical user pulling up something like regedit and poking around in there. So Microsoft have consciously trimmed SOME items from search.
They've also been quite clever about it - because other things which are located in the same directory like snip DO come back in searches.
So I do thing there's things wrong with the search - but this is a very bad example, as this is actually a good thing.
๐๏ธ hardypart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:39:35 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And you think this makes sense in the Enterprise Edition?
mrblods ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:31:32 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus yes - are you serious? I manage corporate IT computers for a living, multi-million dollar organizations do not want their staff fiddling with their corporate equipment registry settings!
m4xc4v413r4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:35:43 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's intended. They don't want you to find it by accident. Those tools aren't to be used by anyone that isn't an advanced user and is specifically looking for them.
smeeding ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:16 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I encountered this exact same search situation in Windows 7 the other day, so it's not specific to 10. I was assuming they did it on purpose so people wouldn't wander into this by mistake.
Shagomir ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:32:10 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've noticed that you're required to type in the full name of anything that is a setting or application that an ignorant user could use to break things.
This is probably a safeguard to keep people from accidentally opening regedit and breaking things.
Edit: I've verified that the behavior is the same on Windows 7 as well. I think this is intentional.
redditninja1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:43:54 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can't have ignorant beasts just stumbling on the immense power of Regedit.
DankDollLitRump ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:06:06 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They don't want you stumbling into the registry editor. I have no problem with this.
๐๏ธ hardypart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:45:50 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
With the Enterprise Edition?? I could understand this for the Home Edition, but not with Enterprise.
DankDollLitRump ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:47:56 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't believe anyone should accidentally access the registry editor in any os variant of windows. If one search term leads to fewer accidental amateur mishaps in regedit, then I may end up with one less grey hair.
mrblods ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:44:45 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It seems to me that OP is torn between recognising that the point he made about search in this instance is wrong - Microsoft doesn't want company staff or home users fiddling with the registry (or the other hundred or so strange and weird exe files in Windows and System32) - but he HAS got himself a very popular post with 21000 upvotes. So he'd rather stick with the mistake he made in this particular instance. Which is a shame - because there are lots of reasons to hate on Microsoft search, but this is actually a reason to like it.
๐๏ธ hardypart ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:51:07 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why should an amateur use the Enterprise Edition?
DankDollLitRump ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:51:55 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They shouldn't. Sadly that doesn't mean they don't.
๐๏ธ hardypart ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:53:41 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let me rephrase my question: In which scenario does an amateur use the Enterprise Edition?
DankDollLitRump ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:00:15 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Home systems administrated by people working in IT. They often use the same os as the systems they work on. Where it may be unlikely for anyone with IT experience to misuse their regedit, it is not unlikely for their s/o or children to stumble into it.
mrblods ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:37:50 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You've obviously never worked in large corporate IT - because if you had you'd know that you have it completely backwards. Enterprise doesn't want you fiddling and breaking your computer and making you non productive or putting the company at risk.
Ideally corporate IT doesn't even want you installing your own apps or changing your own settings out of a management controlled solution.
There is a very small number of people in large enterprise who typically get the keys to the kingdom in terms of being able to fiddle with their machines to their hears content - and that's engineers and leadership.
๐๏ธ hardypart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:54:59 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I work in the IT apartment of an international corporation with an annual turnover of 1bl EUR. But yeah, you're probably still right. Enterprise Edition means that there are more options for regulating certain stuff that's important in an enterprise environemtn, like Store access etc. Nonetheless, I want to be able to set whether I'm the kind of user who knows what he's doing or not.
mrblods ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:08:30 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know its hard because its got a lot of likes, but you cannot seriously be typing that. You CAN do what you like - if you're an administrator of your machine. Unless you're clinging onto a complaint that you want to type 2 or 3 less keystrokes!! Put a two character batch file in your path or a keyboard shortcut if you need to get to regedit so frequently.
It's things like group policy management and system center configuration management and user profiles which are important for managing enterprise equipment. So policies and changes submitted to your machines based on hardware and user profiles at log on and power on. I think its a fairly safe assumption to make that things in Windows and System32 folders not be included in search. Microsoft then had to go the extra mile to make tools frequently used like powershell and snip actually appear. That seems the right way to go. Have a look in your windows folder at all the EXE files. Nobody should be seeing those.
๐๏ธ hardypart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:13:39 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am seriously typing that. I usually operate my PC in the most efficient and fast way possible. The first typed letter should give me immediately the most frequently used application / command that starts with said letter. So if I type "r" it should show "regedit", just like it shows "snipping tool" when I type "s". Of course it's no disaster to type the full word, but it's still aggrevating, because it COULD be faster.
People working in IT should see these, IMO.
mrblods ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:34:21 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Great take a list of the programs you want to get to quickly and the shortcuts you want to your IT team responsible for systems management - have them script it and automatically deploy it to all the IT staff. Job done.
That will have the advantage of being automatic for all IT existing and future IT staff, will work automatically on all existing and future equipment - could even potentially log who started regedit to a central server in case their machines subsequently screws up.
The tools exist to do exactly that. But what you DONT want is - just a magic button you throw which makes all system executables or all none mainstream apps part of the search engine.
Your management team probably have better things to do than save you typing 3 extra characters and which you could solve yourself with a saved shortcut or a CMD or a PS file. But if they DID do it - using the proper tools the following would happen. It could be configured scripted to run automatically based on your group memberships/department you're in - it would work on any machine you logged into including loaner laptops, terminal servers and virtual machines. It could even check your permissions are high enough before it offered you regedit.
That's all good - and that's what systems management is for - granular configuration changes based on user profile, and IT departments will do that all the time. However its still not a reason to criticise the Microsoft Search. Criticise it for its failings and it has many many - but this seriously is not one.
I get pissed off with the search daily and my immediate instinct when I first saw your post - was that I agreed with you. But then I started to think about what regedit is and where it is. It doesn't even exist in the programs you have for god sake - that how little Microsoft wants joe user to know about it. As I said though IT can make it come back - but that takes work, because do you really want nearly 600 new executables to show up - which windows currently runs silently in the background for you.
๐๏ธ hardypart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:43:56 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course there are solutions for everything, but wouldn't it be great if we could just set whether these critical parts are part of the search index or not!?
mrblods ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:25:23 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No absolutely not.
Nobody would argue that exposing the guts of the operating system mixed in with peoples day to day documents and applications by the simple throwing of a switch would be a good idea. You got thousands of likes - because nobody thought about it too deeply and your two images looked like they showed up a bug. It needs to be managed because if its easy and a user sees a check box that says 'include all in search' they they're going to click it.
The search locations ARE customizable and will get crawled if you add new folders - you can go ahead and add windows if you want to, I don't recommend it. Every search you do will show you loads of files with cryptic names and your indexing will take twice as long, and your computer will be at increased risk.
Did you know another reason windows doesn't crawl system areas is that in doing so you're increasing your footprint for a hacker. Now the hacker doesn't need to break into your system areas to find out which version of some dll you have - he just needs to get access to the search index which all user share across your machine. If you'd have called your post something like 'Wouldnt search be improved if it made some of ITs frequently used functions available' instead of 'The search function is a bad joke'. Then instead of this conversation we'd be talking about how things like Powershell desktop app do exactly that.
The conscious decision made by Microsoft is to do what we've been discussing. Hide the dangerous functionality of regedit (which some at Microsoft tried to not even include in the shipped product - many wanted it to be a download). And hiding that functionality also means not adding a button to bring it back. I'll say it again - you wont even find regedit in the list of All Programs.
But again none of this has anything to do with your misleading post title and why you got tens of thousands of up votes.
96firephoenix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:13:29 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everything about Windows 10 is a bug, not a feature. The only thing good to say about Win10 is that at least it isn't Win8 or Vista.
Ranzera ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:35:26 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Microsoft is a bad joke and Windows 10 is the latest punch line.
RobertThorn2022 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:11:08 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Microsoft is still a company that never understood UI.
CallMeChristina ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:36:44 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My girlfriend just got a laptop with windows 10 (I think it's windows 10 because of these screenshots) and it is literally the worst laptop I have ever used!
The search bar is absolute shit, as this post identifies, the laptop is slow as fuck anyways, I really just hate everything about it. I'm thankful and grateful for it, sure, but as a product that a company put on the market, it's absolute shit. Slowest new computer I've ever had.
call_me_cookie ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 13:28:45 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Classic shell, classic shell, classic shell.
http://www.classicshell.net/
Classic shell sorts this out, as well as 100 other things wrong with win10.
CLASSIC SHEEEELL!
murpium ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:07:17 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What the fuck this should be the top comment why is it all the way down here?
call_me_cookie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:10:18 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People seem down on classicshell because a source for it was hacked, so was distributed with malware for a while. Other than that, people think it wouldn't change the result... My gif puts that to rest.
I dunno tbh, classic shell is amazing and makes windows 10 bearable.
Combine that with choco, cmder & t-clock, you've got a fucking sweet setuo!
Dick_O_Rosary ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:09:44 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Try it if it works with classic shell. If it still fails, you can turn off the caps lock.
call_me_cookie ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:01:24 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://i.imgur.com/Luedr69.gif
soggyoreo ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 13:56:16 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When classic shell got the virus, I vowed never to have that on any PC's. I'll pass.
http://www.classicshell.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=6434#p27967
BazeFook ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 14:24:53 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was attack on FossHub, nothing that the creator could really do anything about it.
souldrone ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:24:20 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That had to do with fosshub rather than classic shell.
xpclient ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:18:48 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah right because nothing else has ever gotten hacked. Seriously dude it was for a few mins on 1 day out of 8 years ever since it's been around.
Chobiness ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:54:51 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A even worse joke is that you use Internet Explorer. :D
Hafd2 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 14:13:54 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't worry Microsoft has the perfect solution coming in Redstone 4: Cortana and all its terrible results will now be a huge pop up in the middle of your screen and it will have more Emojis and social media!
dtoxic ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:02:41 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Win10 is a joke
NtSureWhtImDoingHere ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 12:58:06 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
nothing wrong with the search this is an advanced tool which shouldn't be made available just because someone types a few words. try searching something else search will bring the result before you are done typing it fully.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:23:12 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You guys realise that Windows will, in all probability, still be the dominant OS fifty years from now? And in all that time it won't improve at all?
Kinda depressing.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:07:06 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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AgentGinger149 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:34:17 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even worse: I type in โDiscordโ and my computer says it doesnโt exist
Yes it fucking does you slut now give it to me. I canโt open the app cause I canโt find it!
dottybotty ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:09:03 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Windows 10 is todayโs vista. Do the UX guys even use Windows?
--Repetitive-- ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:13:28 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everything after 7 was a shithole. 7 for life.
Neobabylon ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:55:12 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Should be Regredit.
Traniz ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:54:10 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I disabled telemetrytana(cortana) and it "works on my machine".
O&O ShutUp10 has lots of features, but if you're just gonna disable cortana follow this.
erdemece ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:11:27 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Picture wont prove it. Show us a gif.
SystemSettings1990 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 14:35:56 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Windows 7 is what Iโll be staying on, I rely on this everyday and on 10 itโs horrible.
Beagus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:04:32 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm with you 100% on this. Why they would abandon their classic setup for some flashy annoying bullshit is beyond me. If thatโs what they want to do then fine, but I wonโt be buying it.
SystemSettings1990 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:48 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same. Windows 7 ultimate works for me.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:59:50 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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smoledman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:48:44 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed.
mrksprvn ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:56:03 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You have to enable Cortana/set a language for search to work properly.
Beagus ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:58:08 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Windows10 is a bad joke altogether. Pure unadulterated garbage.
ClutchCinnabon ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:59 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You also have the Store version of Skype installed.
๐๏ธ hardypart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:44:17 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nope, that's Skype for Business. It was called "Lync" before MS aquired Skype.
ClutchCinnabon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:58:49 on November 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah ok. They look weirdly similar