๐๏ธ Alhazred01 ยท 729 points ยท Posted at 17:21:24 on June 6, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
OK, so. Before I get into this I just want to say some things. First of all, I'm currently typing this out on an iPhone, so please forgive any atrocious autocorrect misspellings.
I'm 28 years old. Male. I live right outside chicago, over the border in NW indiana. I'm currently pursuing a BAS at Purdue. I'm not exactly what you would call scientifically illiterate, and I consider myself fairly mentally sound. I've never had any problems on that front. I have only ever openly discussed this once before, on a random quora question that caught my eye - also anonymously. So I'm still not very good at discussing it openly, and only 2 people who know me know what happened to me, I had avoided talking about it for a long time, fearing the stigma associated with the topic. Especially in the professional and scientific communities. I was immensely relieved when the people I did open up to about it believed me unquestioningly. And the result of that is me typing this here today. Go easy on me, please.
That all being said, I've been trying for a few years to come to terms with something that happened to me. It was almost 5 years ago to the day. Shortly after my 23rd birthday. My father is very sick, so I was staying with my parents at the time to help take care of him and the house.
I awoke in the middle of the night. It was warm, but I could hear and feel the breeze from the fans I need on to go to sleep. I reached over and grabbed my phone, checked the time. It was 3:31am. I put the phone back down and tried to get settled back into a comfortable position. However after a moment I realized I could hear and feel a humming. I knew right away it wasn't from my fans, it was very deep, and I could actually feel it in my body. Our house is by some train tracks, so at first I thought it may just be a train, but I quickly realized that wasn't it either.
While I was laying in bed wondering what it was, I noticed for the first time that my door was open -My door is never open during the night. Hell, even during the day. Never. Ever. - and I could see a light shining down the hallway and into my room. At first I thought maybe my dad was going to the bathroom and had his flashlight out, but then I realized the light was... Wrong. It wasn't the right color. As I watched, it started to get brighter. Until it looked like someone had set up a white/blue LED array at the end of the hall in the kitchen. As the light got brighter so did the humming. I tried to jump up to go investigate, fearing an intruder, when I realized I couldn't move.
Well, let me clarify. I could move my hands, my neck, my feet, but it felt like someone had placed straps over my limbs and torso. After a brief moment of transcendent terror and confusion, I thought to myself "okay, maybe this is sleep paralysis". I've of course read about it before, but never experienced anything like this. Right after that thought I realized I could no longer feel the bed under me. I started rising in the air, and gently... floating,for lack of a better word, to my doorway- and the light.
I know how this sounds but I'm 110% serious, please just stay with me. As I levitated through the doorway and into the hall, I had a clear view into my parents room. Their door is right next to mine on the left hand side of the hall when walking out of my room. If you take a step out, turn 90 degrees and take another step, you're in their room. Anyway, I could see them laying on the bed, I started screaming. Begging for help. They didn't move. In fact I couldn't even see them breathing, and at that moment I was convinced they were dead, and I was about to be next. This moment of pure unadulterated panic caused something to... Snap. In the blink of an eye I found I could move my arms again, and I flailed impotently in the air. I eventually got my hands on the door frame and clung on for dear life. I gripped that frame like my life depended on it, because in that moment I wholeheartedly believed that it did. To my dismay I realized that my fingers were slowly starting to slip, as I continued to be pulled inexorably down the hall toward the kitchen, and I dug my nails in as hard as I could to try and stop it. And in a quick burst of pain and terror I lost my grip, and continued to... Float (typing this part makes me feel ridiculous, I know how it sounds). A few more seconds of terrifying levitation and I was in the kitchen. Floating with the top of my head facing our back door. It's a large sliding glass door, and I could see that this is where the light was shining in from. Something that felt about as bright as the sun was hovering right above our pool. We have a large in ground pool almost smack dab in the middle of the back yard, which is entirely fenced in with a 10 foot privacy fence. Whatever this was had to be directly over the water, maybe a couple of feet off the ground. I took all of this in within a heartbeat, and was still in a state of terror I will never be able to adequately explain, when I felt the breeze. My back door was wide open. But for the life of me I can't tell you if it had been open all along or if it had just been opened in front of me. At that moment I slowly began to settle back down on to the floor. I felt the cold floor on my back as my shirt had lifted slightly. Right as I touched the ground. I saw them. If I thought I had been afraid before, it was nothing compared to this moment right here. One stepped in and took a step to stand over me at my left side. It looked down at me, and even from my perspective on the floor I could tell this thing was fucking tall. If I had to guess, I would say 7ft 10 - 8ft at the very least. We have 9 foot ceilings in the kitchen and its head was shockingly close to the ceiling. The light was so painfully bright at this point that I didn't get to take in a whole lot of detail, as it was kind of shadowed by the light behind us. Two more stepped in and took a place to either side of my shoulders. Standing by the door, almost like guards would. Keep in mind this has all happened fairly quickly, and in this moment I begin to have an idea of what this is. The terror is unspeakable. I remember thinking they don't look anything like how they're often portrayed in movies. They were skeletal, and their skin looked like it was... Well, I have no idea, but it didn't really look like our skin. It was just strange. The one standing to the left of me had something in its hand. As I turned my neck to get a better view, I could take in a little more of its form. It's fingers. Christ, I can't even describe what seeing those fingers did to me. They were almost spider like. Way too long and way too many joints. To this day that's probably the one image that sticks out the most. It clutching this black(maybe gunmetal or a darker silver, hard to tell because it was smooth like glass and the light was obscuring a lot.) it reminded me almost of an iPhone without any power. But it was thinner, shaped almost like a remote or a very short rod with a square-ish shape with rounded edges. Just a smooth glass like... Thing. It's fingers moved over it and every single muscle in my body tensed up. The air shot into my lungs as the expanded all the way, and every single limb shot straight out. It was like I was a plank of wood. My jaw was clenched so tight I thought my teeth would shatter. I lost all control. The only thing I could move at this point were my eyes, and even then, very little. It was like the signals from my nervous system were completely disrupted, and another foreign signal was imposed in their place. The two standing behind me (above? I'm still laying flat on my back.) shuffle forward a bit, and I start to rise back up again. I feel fingers on my shoulders and I begin to hover out the door. And the second I get out the door the light is so overwhelmingly powerful and then... Nothing.
I wake up in my bed. It's 5:45am. I'm sweating bullets. My stomach hurts. I get up, and start going about my morning routine. I try to shrug off the experience as a dream. And it works. When I'm about to get into the shower I notice a sharp pain. I look in the mirror. I have bruises EVERY WHERE. Arms, ankles, thighs, but the worst of them are on my shoulders and back. Very very clearly were what looked like hand prints. Albeit elongated ones. I throw up almost instantly. I try to pull myself together and head back to my room. I see my door frame. I see the scratches. I see they line up with my fingers. I see the wood and blood under my finger nails.
I have never entirely come to terms with any of it. My fiancรฉe has encouraged me to share, but it still feels deeply uncomfortable and jarring to just walk through it. As I've typed this, my hands have dropped to what feels like sub zero temperatures and my whole body is shaking. I'm sure if I asked my fiancรฉe she would tell me I'm also extremely pale. Even more than usual. This is what happens every time I think about it.
After many nights spent doing research, watch youtube videos of ufologists conferences, reading people's reports, the same thing always happens. Physiological response every time.
And after a lot of reading, and watching, I realized I had another experience when I was 5 years old.
It's my clearest childhood memory. And my earliest. Most of my childhood is hazy. I have snapshots. But this one memory I have is exponentially clearer than anything else. Although I've until relatively recently shrugged it off as just a quirk of being young. But I was never the imaginative child that claims to see what they imagine. I always had an extremely firm grasp of reality vs imagination, which is why this earlier episode stands out. It went something like this :
I'm 5, it's Easter morning, I wake up super excited to go see my Easter basket. My mom always went way overboard and it was essentially Christmas in spring. Only child ftw. Anyway, I jump up and sneak out of my room. It's just before dawn. Still dark out, but light is starting to refract around the horizon, making everything that dark twilight. I sneak down the hallway, well aware my parents are still asleep, and hoping they'll wake up soon so I can go tear into a massive basket of toys and candy. As I get to the end of the hallway and peak into the living room, I see it. At first I think my parents are up, but as I get a clear look at it. This part is slightly fuzzy. I remember it was big. Tall. Grey. And something about its skin made me think of short fur, so naturally I thought it was the Easter bunny (or my dad dressed up as the Easter bunny) the things actual form eludes me, just that it was tall and Grey. The weird thing is, when I picture it in my head, everything else in the scene is cristal clear. Everything. Except that. I can see it in my head and it's like someone put a blur filter over this things shape. Like what they do for people's faces on Cops. Maybe that's where I got the impression of fur, or maybe it really was blurry in real life, like active camouflage, or it was done after the fact- Assuming it is what I now believe it to be. As I said, this experience cannot be substantiated by physical evidence, so I always just shrugged it off until recently.
But something about that memory would often pop into my thoughts. Like when I go to the dentist, and everything is great until they lay me down and the light is in my eyes and the drills and sucking tubes start going, and this primal terror sets in. Since the primary encounter THAT is what usually starts flashing in my head, and the Easter bunny experience is much less frequent these days, but it still happens all the same.
All these tiny and not so tiny things that I never really thought about before seem to make a scary kind of sense in light of the experience I wrote about first. I don't know for sure what happened to me. Im not going to say that I do. All I know is that it wasn't a dream. It wasn't sleep paralysis. I've never sleep walked. There was physical evidence of something happening. I rage at myself for trying to suppress it and not documenting absolutely everything, although the scratches are very much so still visible on the door frame at my parent's house. I can tell you all the things I know for a fact it was not. And after eliminating those as possibilities... Well, Im assuming you know how that saying goes.
I apologize profusely for any spelling or grammatical mistakes, as I said above, Im on an iPhone and at this point my hands are shaking like I'm in a freezer. If anyone has questions I would be more than happy to try to answer them, but what I really would like is to hear from people who have had similar experiences. How it compares to mine, what's the same, what's different. All that. As I was looking for any sort of guidance or help I contact mufon and they ended up doing a phone interview for like 2-3 hours, and gave me the name of a hypnotherapist in chicago that could take me through it. But the whole thing left a bad taste in my mouth. They kept trying to spin it as positive. Trying to say they were benevolent. And I can conclusively say there was absolutely nothing benevolent about them. At all. Maybe not necessarily malevolent, but utterly unconcerned with the state of my wellbeing for sure. I looked into ones eyes. Most of its face was shadowed, but I could see it's eyes. There was nothing kind or benevolent there. I am positive that in that moment I was a thing, not a sentient being, as far as it was concerned. It didn't necessarily feel robotic, more like aloof. I don't know, I could be mistaken. But what I'm not mistaken of is that it was no way shape or form a positive experience.
Since then, I've been diagnosed with severe abnormal hormonal imbalances. I already had nerve damage and an implanted neurostimulator in my spine, so I've had a lot of scans done. It was put in when I was 16 after an electrocution injury. Fried most of the nerves in my left leg. Anyway, they've looked at my brain a ton. But now I can't have an MRI because of my spinal implant, but a CT revealed an abnormal mass in my brain that was no there on previous scans. They say it's benign but they can't quite see it in enough resolution to make a definite diagnosis as to what it is. I also have a strange black thing under the skin of my left left. Kneecap. Which happens to be right where the nerve damage in that leg is. Dead in the middle of it. It looks like a piece of lead or something under the skin. Tried to have it cut out once but the doctor couldn't get it. Said it wasn't bothering me and wasn't causing problems. So I should leave it. Aside from the nerve damage evrery thing else happened soon after the experience. I have another strange side effect but I'm not 100% sure if it's a result of the neurostimulator changing my bodies EM field or something.... Else. But I blow out light bulbs. I can document it. I've had friends, family, professors at school, strangers, etc witness it. It happens with such reliability that based on my proximity and type of bulb I can almost tell when it's going to happen. Lamp used to be next to my bed. Lights kept burning out of exploding. Tried different sockets. Broke out the multimeter, tested everything. All normal. Same result. Moving them away from me fixed the problem. I've even had some of the professors in the engineering department take an interest in helping me figure out exactly what's causing it. I think he thought I was bullshiting him until he saw it happen repeatedly. Walking down a hallway with a low ceiling. 4 fluorescent bulbs burn out just as I walk past them one after the other. It happens all the time, but it's more of an interesting quirk than an actual problem.
If we nail down a cause I'll definitely post what it is.
I'm sure I left some stuff out and I've rambled on quite a bit, really sorry about that, it's the anxiety.
Edit: I posted this on /r abductions too so I could maximize the amount of potential abductee feedback. If you had an experience like this, I would really really appreciate your insight. What was similar vs different.
I've thought about going through with the hypnotherapy but a bigger part of me doesn't want to know. I know on a subconscious level that what happened after my memory stops was absolutely horrific. I can't really explain it, it's just a feeling. Absolutely nothing about the experience was pleasant, and I can't imagine them taking me was the worst of it.
For people that had similar experiences, does it get better? Does it go away? Or will I likely have these subconscious triggers forever, as I suspect? If I try to watch a movie about abduction like fire in the sky or the fourth kind, the physiological response is overwhelming. I watch a ton of horror movies. It's like my favorite genre, and I've never had any kind of reaction like that with anything else. Lose all color, start uncontrollable shaking, jaw starts chattering uncontrollably as if I was freezing, my hands start getting clammy and freezing. I've even blacked out once. Only during those two movies in particular. Those are by far the worst. But I have lesser reactions to others, or situations that apparently remind me of it enough to trigger it. Sometimes while I lay in bed at night and its quiet, I start to get absolutely terrified that I'll start to feel that vibration or see that light again. I guess I just want someone that's gone through something similar to tell me it'll get better, but I don't know if it will.
somanydimensions ยท 216 points ยท Posted at 17:48:13 on June 6, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have read many abductee stories. This one perfectly fits the bill. I find it particularly interesting that you encountered the tall greys. There are a few different variations of them. All of them seem to be able to gain control over our nervous system.
I am curious- did your nerve issues that you had improve at all after this most recent abduction, or stay the same. I think in some cases they intervene and help, while other times they are merely studying you. I have a book at home, called Real Alien Worlds: A Brief Encyclopedia, by David McCready. This was a two year long conscious astral travel exploration project, and he documented the species his team encountered. They only concerned themselves with aliens that were more advanced than us, and the greys were in the book. When I go home tonight I am going to read through the tall greys chapter and transcribe anything relevant for you. I really do recommend reading this book if you want to know more, or maybe you don't because of what you've been through.
I am sorry you had these experiences. For most people they seem to be terrifying to their very core. One thing mentioned in the book, is that the greys find it perplexing as to why we get so scared and startled by everything. Maybe they don't recognize fear very well and that is why they seem to emotionless and flat? I am a scientist by profession, and while some people might be lying, in general I find these accounts to be very reliable and true. Scientifically speaking, we did not even know that mountain gorillas existed until 1902, and that is on our own planet. I am not sure why people think we know everything, when we clearly don't. Of course there are other life forms existing in other galaxies and dimensions. You don't sound crazy, and I believe you. I will get back to you with the other info, but feel free to PM me anytime. I am more than happy to discuss and share any knowledge that I have.
๐๏ธ Alhazred01 ยท 79 points ยท Posted at 18:08:44 on June 6, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for the reply. I really appreciate it. I'll check out the book, thank you for the recommendation. As for the nerves, no change. Although the electrical interference appears to have worsened. But that could just be a type.of confirmation bias on my part. I could just notice it more. The company that manufactures the neurostimulator says the em interference shouldn't be that strong. But it does interfere with things on its own. They gave me a special card that has all the details for when I go through airport security or if I set off security devices in stores. But it definitely shouldn't be powerful enough for me to blow out 8 consecutive street lights the moment I go under them. Fluorescent lights are a little more understandable, but still. Over all my health has worsened since the experience. In some areas in dramatic ways. The hormonal problems and brain mass in particular. But like I said they can't get enough resolution from a CT to really see what it is. But it's almost in the dead center of my brain. After all the research I've noticed that a lot of people with accounts of experiences similar to mine are often well established professionals. Lawyers, doctors, engineers. The media tends to portray the average abductee as the trailer park conspiracy theorist, which is a big part of why I tend to be so guarded when I do decide to talk about this. Each time I've been pleasantly surprised with the result though.
When we have the government admitting to multimillion dollar programs to detect and monitor UFOS, I think the attitude starts to change. Those Pentagon papers they declassified last year blew my mind. One of the heads of the project even resigned when he felt the higher ups weren't taking his findings or reccomdations seriously. I've seen a lot of people trying to posit the government is collaborating with aliens, but if you really look at things and how governments function, that's pretty much impossible. I think it's much more likely they don't know for sure what they are, and just don't want the headache of dealing with it. Government isn't all that great at keeping secrets, as much as people like to think they are. There's an argument to be made for the military industrial complex, but even they are the ones that declassified the papers to begin with. If I had to bet money on it, I would bet that they just don't have a great idea of what they are, and if they do they recognize it as a problem they don't need/can't do anything about.
I do feel like they were aware of my terror and discomfort, but I got the feeling they just didn't care. Aloofness. It wasn't relevant to whatever they were trying to accomplish. I could be wrong, but that's the feeling that I got. Alas, feelings are hardly empirical.
Sorry for rambling, I tend to do that a lot when I talk about this stuff. It's the anxiety. Again, very grateful for your response.
[deleted] ยท 92 points ยท Posted at 04:45:35 on June 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
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mrs__whatsit ยท 86 points ยท Posted at 14:54:02 on June 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. Very interesting. I saw a nature documentary once where there was an injured elephant in Africa, and scientists had to tranquilize it to treat its leg or it would die.
The elephant obviously didn't understand any of this; all it could feel is whatever basic survival instinct/fear an animal feels. It didn't have the capacity to understand what was happening or the purpose behind it. Obviously, the human scientists had a ton of compassion, but the elephant had no way of knowing that.
I kind of think of humans like the elephant. Like, we only understand what is in the realm of our own cognitive limitations. There's just so much more outside of that, we can't even begin to grasp.
OptionalDepression ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 23:34:06 on June 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In a similar, albeit simpler, vein; I have a cat. It has long fur that it will try to groom by itself. It doesn't do a sufficient enough job as it will swallow, and later vomit, some of the fur it takes from its coat. This is especially difficult during the warmer months.
I groom it with a brush to help out, but the cat hates being groomed by me. It will fight it, striking out at myself and the brush equally. It makes very clear how much it dislikes the situation, while I'm only trying to help.
It hurts me to see how it fights back, and I wish I could explain how grooming is to both our benefit, but we don't fit an agreed upon communication style.
Perhaps this is the same way? Do the Grey's see us not only as intellectually inferior, but also incapable of their preferred communication? Are we the cat lashing out with exposed claws, trying to explain how we find this procedure uncomfortable, while they are the more advanced and responsible other, trying to do what's best for us?
๐๏ธ Alhazred01 ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 15:07:44 on June 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
Absolutely. People subscribing to the 'contactee' school of thought that whatever they are they are beneficient and acting in our best interest. Well the farmer acts in the pigs best interest too. Until it's time for slaughter. It was pure disregard in its manner. Almost like I was inconveniencing it by struggling or being aware. I have this undefinable abstract sense that whatever happened after my memory stops that it was horrible. I suspect some kind of surgical experimentation, but I have nothing to base that on. I could be wrong. I don't think there's any way to know for sure. But people who claim they're here for the good of mankind because they've been contacted and told this or that need to consider than anything capable and willing to manipulate our perception the way they do can never be taken at face value. I can tell you it's extremely unlikely that some unknown beings decided to intervene in my life in a traumatic way to fix an injury. Which they did not. If anything, my health is worse now. Elephants are endangered and humans have empathy. I did not get that vibe from these things. I was most likely a means to an end that benefited them in some way we are incapable of understanding. I don't know what they are or where they came from. All I know is that I did not feel kindness. I felt pure horror. I have this abstract subconscious feeling that whatever happened after the memory stops is absolutely horrific, and that's why I haven't pursued any type of regression therapy. There are some. interesting legitimate cases of human mutilation. And the declassified Pentagon documents last year detailed an investigation into cattle mutilation as well as a 22million$ ufo tracking and monitoring program. If you haven't read them you absolutely should. That's probably as close to disclosure as we're likely to get. Personally I believe thats because our government doesn't know exactly what they are. And I suspect it's just too much of a headache. Hell a single ufo was able to.shutdown a military base and deactivate all the nuclear warheads within it in a matter of minutes. It's one of the most famous cases of military/ufo interactions. People like to imagine the government as some entity manipulating everything but the fact is, government isn't all that great at keeping secrets. The military is certainly better. But if it were some massive operation it absolutely would not be able to be kept secret. Personally I find it more terrifying that our government likely doesn't know what they are or how to deal with them.
MereDreamer ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 19:58:49 on June 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You could say that the scientists using animals in "medical" experiments intending to help understand and heal diseases are "benefiting humanity" ... while at the same time the creatures being experimented on are definitely not benefiting at all from the process. Your experience seems to fit within that dynamic. It's not fun being a tool in the process even if the ultimate goal is explained as a positive one.
While I can see why some people prefer to hope there will be some eventual good out of the process, there isn't a guarantee that we're the ones who gain anything.(edit: spelling)
TrillSeeker00 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 05:28:59 on June 12, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Think about it like tagging cows or sharks. Of course it hurts them, but we don't think of their pain as being more important than our need for data.
Smallmammal ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 17:06:34 on June 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I also don't buy the whole benevolent visitor argument. If you think about how evolution made us and how that process works and how we have politics, dishonesty, economic limitations, culture, etc because of it then other conscious beings made by evolution would end up the same way. There's nothing unique about our way of life, behaviors, and thinking. Biology determines all that on a significant level.
So a hypothetical visitor would have similar development and social pressures at work in their culture. Maybe it's just a boring job to observe humans and it's taken by the worst or most apathetic beings. I also discount the idea that it's so hard/expensive to visit us, so their intentions must be grand. It might not cost them anything but time. Imagine you could move via inter dimensional travel, then it would be something they could do in a small office. You don't need an Armada of ships traveling for thousands of years or some such. It might be a routine thing like a vet or zookeeper viewing an animal through a video camera.
Lastly, imagine yourself as a super intelligence. How boring, predictable, and uninteresting would humans be to you? I imagine it would be like us dealing with a cat. To them this is no big deal, so of course it's not surprising all these visitation stories show deep apathy for humankind. They're working with animals from their perspective.
Also you should check out Leslie kean's ufo book if interested in the experience of pilots and craft based UFO. I think cases like yours are closer to things like ghosts than crafts flying around. That is to say, beings that can somehow visit via some inter dimensional travel and most likely not physically but by interfacing directly with our minds somehow.
mrtrouble22 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 17:12:00 on June 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"I have this undefinable abstract sense that whatever happened after my memory stops that it was horrible."
If you haven't watched the movie "The Fourth Kind", there is a scene in which a man who was abducted had regained full memory of his experiences. He realized that not only he was being abducted and experimented on, but so was his family (wife and kids). The horror of what happened to them was so great, that he chose the path of murder/suicide than to let it continue.
I know it was just a movie, but I can imagine that what happens to some abductees is along those lines. Let's hope you don't get back the memory of what really happened!
Did you take pictures of your bruises and cuts or of the door frame?
TheBossMan5000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:16:29 on June 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
have you ever heard of Bashar?
Keeeton ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:04:47 on June 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
Intelligence has nothing to do with apathy. If it did, sociopaths and serial killers would be highly intelligent. I have a few friends who are sociopaths, their intelligence varies greatly. Same with serial killers, some have genius IQs and some are just average.
There are many senses animals possess that we donโt. A lot of which they use to communicate, like a language. Same with aliens, they communicate differently than we do. Whoโs to say weโre not the inferior ones intellectually?
Edit: added "have"
Carolann_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:12:50 on June 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly
baerbelleksa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:44:25 on November 26, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That really depends on how much you've developed your empathy. The most highly evolved beings are continually compassionate.
somanydimensions ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 18:25:06 on June 6, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I welcome the discussion! I agree with what you said about the government. On the topic of aliens, I find our government's disregard to be the least interesting part of the whole thing. I don't need them to confirm anything for me, I just know they exist. However, a lot of people do still see them as a source of trustworthy info, and would probably be convinced by a government announcement if they were paying attention. About half of us are not ready for that.
That book is absolutely incredible. Just so much info. It touches on genetics, energy, the soul, how the universe is created, different dimensions, other intelligent beings, the use of viruses to modify DNA and assist in the development of other species that have potential (such as humans.) It is mind blowing.
I think the way you describe their indifference towards your terror is very fitting with what I remember reading. I am sorry that your health got worse. Incredible that you blow out street lights now!! I kind of wonder if you might be able to do some energy healing now with that kind of flow you are describing. That is opening up a whole other can of worms, but this has me very intrigued! Maybe eventually that can be the positive thing that comes out of this. According to the aliens, that is the future of medicine, Working in the energy field to promote self healing instead of physical and invasive surgeries. I don't know what to make of the brain thing. I wonder if they were checking it, as opposed to causing it.
I was not surprised in the least when you mentioned that you recalled an encounter as a child. A lot of people suddenly experience an abduction as an adult, but later remember earlier experiences. You likely had even more, but whatever they do with our memory seems to be fairly effective. If I were you I am not sure if I want to know what happened or bury it. The accounts certainly sound very traumatic, but also fascinating.
I am very interested in anything you have to say, so please ramble away if you want to!
southern_turkey ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:52:13 on June 8, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Reddit gold.
crasher925 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:19:34 on June 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Can you share what it says here I am also interested
NOTExETON ยท 64 points ยท Posted at 19:03:04 on June 6, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I believe you. Thank you for sharing and I hope that your are able to get past this experience.
๐๏ธ Alhazred01 ยท 51 points ยท Posted at 13:31:08 on June 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you. Those first three words mean more to me than I could ever express. You and all the others who have responded sith support and kindness are helping me so much. I sincerely thank you.
LuminousRabbit ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 21:32:17 on June 6, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I donโt have anything personal to add, but I suggest getting in touch with Mike Clelland. He has a blog at hiddenexpereience.blogspot.com. He also did a podcast for years called Hidden Experience that should be linked there. Heโs a really grounded experiencer. Heโs also on Facebook a lot, but I donโt do Facebook myself.
My other suggestion is to get in touch with the folks from Where Did the Road Go. They look at all sorts of strange things with a really nuanced view.
Try to say true to yourself. Youโre going to get all sorts of replies saying everything from sleep paralysis, ETs, to military abduction, to itโs all demons!!! Remember to take everyoneโs feedback with salt. Just keep breathing and reaching out. All the best.
๐๏ธ Alhazred01 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 13:59:53 on June 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you so much. This is exactly the kind of reply I was hoping for. I will definitely look into that and reach out to them. I really don't have the tools to adequately deal with any of this and I really have been looking for someone who has either dealt with it personally or has dealt with people dealing with it. And yeah, I've already gotten a ton of "it was demons. It was shadow people, it was this or that" i personally subscribe to Dr. Karla Turner's early word on the subject. Basically, all our information on the subject as to who/what/why is doing this comes directly from these beings. And it is always conflicting other accounts or blatantly untrue. Even if 99.9% of acounts are fraudulent, there's still a ridiculous amount of contradictory information in the rest. So, anything that has the will and ability to take us and manipulate our perception the way they appear to.- With screen memories and all that stuff- they are inherently deceitful and cannot be trusted. Or at the very least taken at face value. You wouldn't explain to your dog what the vet is doing. The farmer wouldn't explain to his pigs what's going on. That is 100% the vibe I got from my experience, and I personally believe that if you look at the phenomenon as a whole, from a detached and logical perspective, that any rational person would come to the same conclusion. That is not to say I don't respect other peoples opinions. It's just my understanding. But I believe it's also inherently impossible for us to understand what they are or what they're doing to us without a lot more empirical evidence and non biased scientific research. I was thrilled when the Pentagon declassified those papers last year detailing a 22 million$ ufo tracking and monitoring program. While that's a small amount of money when it comes to dod budgets, it's not nothing. And the findings that were declassified were chilling. They even declassified military footage from fighter jets pursuing a ufo. This is all from the US government. From the Pentagon. You can go to the Pentagon's website and find them. Highly recommend them. The man leading the project even ended up resigning because he felt the higher ups weren't listening to his recommendations or his findings. Specifically they concluded they were non-national crafts. It's not scientifically sound to label them as extraterrestrial, personally I believe extradimensional is more likely. Maybe both, who knows. But our government essentially admitted they have had programs working on tracking them and finding out what they are as recent as like a decade ago. Sorry for rambling on. Your comment got me all excited. Thank you so so so much for that.
LuminousRabbit ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:19:46 on June 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
Yepโ you have Where Did the Road Go written all over youโopen minded and searching. I suggest starting with Seriah (heโs the one you can email or message through the pop up messenger on that site). As for guests, Tim Renner, and here Strange Familiars, and here Dark Holler Arts has had similar abduction type experiences and so has Jeff Ritzmann.
Jeff had a great blog called Numinous Den that Iโm sad to see heโs closed. He takes periodic breaks from this stuff for his sanity. Maybe thatโs whatโs up. Glad I could help in any way.
thenwah ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 13:53:55 on June 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Mike Clelland is 100% going to ask you if you have any strange stories involving owls... But he's also solid and seems like a very legitimately nice guy. He's also very informed on this topic.
LuminousRabbit ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:43:12 on June 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
Yes, he totally will. Itโs his jam, but he seems so sweet. Iโd go to him in a heartbeat if I had any definite experiences now. (Just some weird non-definitive childhood stuff.)
Well, /u/Alhazred01, any weird owl stories? :)
*Edit: way too many eโs.
amalgalm ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 02:32:14 on June 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for sharing your experience. I would really like to know if you find anything that helps you find solace. I cannot imagine what it would be like have such vivid memories of your abduction. I do not know if I was ever abducted, but I do know that I've always been fascinated in the idea of extraterrestrials and loved reading through seemingly credible reports of sightings and/or contact with an alien life forms since I was a kid. I've seen orange lights in the sky on two occasions that could not be explained by publicly acknowledged aircraft. Fun!
Then I listened to the hypnotherapy sessions with Barney Hill. There is a point where he becomes hysterical when he describes seeing their eyes. Something snapped. I shut off my podcast, had trouble sleeping for a couple of nights. I got drunk that weekend and just completely broke down. As I explained to my girlfriend that I didn't know what was wrong, but I know what triggered it, the shaking started. The most violent tremors I've ever experienced in my life. And it lasted hours. Hours of just weeping and violently shaking. I don't have the insatiable desire to learn about aliens anymore. I always thought I'd wanted contact with ETs, intrigued with hypnotherapy as a tool to uncover obscured memories of encounters. Fuck that. I would never do it. The terror and powerlessness that I felt when I lost it, and still get a taste of recalling it... (I shake mildly, almost painful goosebumps, and tears just start streaming, as they are now).
If you are willing to do hypnotherapy, more power to you, but I would definitely take that decision deathly serious. I don't know what the fuck happened to me, and I don't want to. But it's been a couple years since my breakdown, and now as I write this, I realize a part of me is still curious... I don't know. It's so disheartening to see that the loudest fixtures in the UFO community are clearly mentally ill or plain charlatans. And that's what everyone associates with it. I don't want to be associated with that and just immediately dismissed by the world because of it. And I feel there is a crossroads where one must decide if they just want to bury their experience(s) and live their life, or devote much, if not all, of their life to getting to the bottom to something that there is no bottom to.
I don't know man. I know I still don't have an answer to the question that has been bouncing around in the back of my head since I saw my first UFO that I couldn't explain away: Now what? I try to take a stoic approach and just worry about what I can control. It has worked moderately okay with the passage of time.
Also if you didn't already realize this, it is commonly reported that abductees cause lights to burn out when in close proximity. There's a term for it that escapes me, but Google has your answers. I'm really sorry this happened to you, and I hope it never happens again.
๐๏ธ Alhazred01 ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 14:38:02 on June 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
First of all holy fucking shit. Thank you. Thank you thank you thank you. I fucking love you. You just described EXACTLY what it felt like when I watched the fourth kind and a fire in the sky. The shaking and crying and not.knowing exactly why. God damn. Reading that triggered me, but God damn it that's exactly what I went through too. Holy shit. And yeah I just responded to someone else after I remembered something and I asked.my.mom about it. When I was a kid. Like 2-4th grade I was obsessed with aliens to the point I got teased. I would gravitate to the books on them at the book fair every time. My mom said it happened every time without fail. And then one day it all just stopped. I guess subconsciously it's always been with me. It's kind of hard to explain. It's like a morbid curiousity interlaced with pure terror. Like a compulsion I couldn't explain or define. I would be drawn to movies or things like that and then have this visceral reaction that would seriously fuck me up and I couldn't exactly say why. And no I've never read that about the light bulbs. Everyone I tell about it usually thinks I'm Bullshitting them unil they see it. It's not just a confirmation bias coincidence thing. It's not like one light bulb burns out. (Well sometimes) but sometimes it'll be like full on blub explosions. Glass everywhere. And a lot of times it'll be 3-5+ lights if I'm walking down a hallway, If I'm seated underneath one, etc. I always just assumed it was probably interference from my stimulator. Because it does cause a fair amount of em interference. When my nerves were bonding to the metal in highschool I could actually feel if someone got a call or text right behind me in class. My leg would twitch put. That only lasted a couple months though then my body adjusted. They warned me that I might have some weird side effects like that. I also set off alarms at tons of stores, Have to get molested at airport security, and I interfere with speakers too. So I always just assumed it was because of that. Maybe it's even a compound effect and that's why it's so strong. I can't think of any logical reason I should be shorting out whole rows of sodium street lights though. That's an effect I've had tons of people witness regularly. And they will testify it only happens when I'm around. Ive seriously never heard that before, thank you so so so much. I would love to maybe talk to you some more if you're OK with that.
Oh, also, don't worry. I'm pretty sure I don't want those memories recovered. First of all I have to worry about recovering some horrific memory that I don't need. Then there's the possibility of an invented memory that could even be worse. Hypnosis is a messy thing. Plus I've had hypnotists try to hypnotize me before and it's never worked. I don't believe I'm susceptible to it. Or at least not as susceptible as some people are. I have a fear of remembering something so horrible I wouldn't be able to live with it. So I think I would much rather not know. A lot of people have told me "to get closure" and "they're usually benevolent" but farmers are usually benevolent to pigs. Until it's time to slaughter them. And I do not believe I was anything more than livestock or a curiosity to whatever the hell they are.
amalgalm ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:12:27 on June 8, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah it's definitely super fascinating. It would make sense that your medical history compounds it, because I've never heard of people causing lights to explode, just go out. The phenomenon is called steet light interference, AKA SLI.
I agree they likely aren't benevolent, however I don't think they are malevolent, per se. I mean we're talking about creatures that are so far superior to us as far as intelligence and technology go, that it would only be natural for them to view us as scientific specimens, just as scientists view lab rats. And just as our interactions with live test subjects, it's all for our own advancement, often at the destruction of the experimentees.
Anyhow... Good luck dude!
god_of_screams ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 05:46:09 on June 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is a crazy ass story. You know I've had some really weird experiences I can't explain but could be labeled as extraterrestrial, but there was this one time (I'm a huge horror movie fan and nothing ever creeps me out enough. Like ever.) I was in my government class my senior year and the previous night I saw a very bright green/blue light, it completely lit up my room and was accompanied by a humming noise that vibrated me. But it only lasted maybe a few seconds then it was gone. My sister and grandmother saw the light too and heard the humming but didn't feel it like me. It was also very overcast that night and I looked outside almost seconds after the incident and there was like a cutout in the clouds. But anyway we were watching the fourth kind in my government class that day and I literally got so disturbed by it that I had to step out. Which is very extreme for me to feel that way especially from a movie. My teacher followed and asked what was going on and I told him about my incident and he was so interested lol. But sorry for the damn novel I wrote but I thought it was just so damn weird of me to freak out over a movie that I've already seen once at that point and no movies bother me ever. Not even a little bit. But that day it turned me into a little bitch. I have no idea why it was just some light and humming with little vibrations.
๐๏ธ Alhazred01 ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 15:02:52 on June 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I can relate. Watching that movie is one of my triggers. Along with fire in the sky. I can't even express out bad it gets. As I stated I watch a ton of horror movies. Play a ton of survival horror. This wasn't fear. It was pure terror. Nothing else has ever done that to me. I just get even whiter than I already am, I start shaking uncontrollably, my jaw starts chattering ridiculously hard and fast. My hands go ice cold and start shaking. I start sweating even though I'm freezing. Sometimes I've even thrown up. And it stays. It doesn't quickly go away. Someone else here left a comment describing the exact same thing after an experience of their own.
Fez_and_no_Pants ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 16:52:37 on June 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My father believed he'd been abducted by aliens, and therefore I have been familiar with and interested in the subject of abduction for as long as I can remember.
At first I was terrified of aliens and worried I would also be abducted, but as time went on and I did more and more research I began to stop worrying about it and actually sort of hope for it. One of the reasons for this was my father's disposition towards it - he wasn't afraid of aliens or the subject of abduction at all, and in fact believed the beings are benevolent, at least the 'Greys'. Regarding the insectoids, nordics and reptilians I don't think he had an opinion.
My impression, stemming from almost 40 years of seeking out witness testimony and abductee accounts, is that we are being studied and tested in a way not unlike human scientists' treatment of wild animals. We 'abduct', sedate, and run myriad tests on all the animals on earth in order to better understand them, for our own benefit and also for the sake of conservation and health for these species. Without this work, we would not be able to treat their populations when they become ill, or recognize when a species is threatened by extinction.
I can't be sure that their work is benevolent, but my definite impression of abduction is similar to and no more malicious than the trap, tag and release scenarios humans perpetrate every day. I can only imagine that such a scenario is as terrifying for the animal as it is for a human abductee.
lobsterlibsterlobste ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 18:58:30 on June 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If it helps, I also have an implanted neurostimulator and have never had any lightbulb issues.
Isantos85 ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 01:10:27 on June 11, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
Yes, yes, and fucking yes!!! So much of what you say lines up with my experiences. Especially when you said there didn't look to be any emotion in its eyes. Almost robotic. I can't wait for my fiancรฉ to get home so I can read this to him. He the only one I think has ever really believed my experiences. Not that I've told a lot of people.
My experiences started when I was around 4 or 5 before I started kindergarten. I was looking out the window and saw what looked like a shiny white light hovering above the building across the street, centered on me. It did the typical swinging slowly to the right, then zooming away to the left that we see in movies. I learned how to read before kindergarten and was very advance and aware for a child. After that, I had several wild experiences that I have been meaning to post for a long while. My blood type is O-. Some of the literature on abductions states this blood type tends to have more abductions. The last time I experienced anything was in 2010 when I was 30. I woke up to some crazy sleep paralysis where I felt I was being choked and slowly moved by my throat while hearing growling. I was wide awake, not dreaming. My body was almost pulled from the bed by my hair when I was 12 and I was pulled to the foot of bed when I was 13, all during sleep paralysis.
I have so much to say about your experiences. I'm reading it again before I do. Thank you for being brave enough to post. I feel you are sincere in what you wrote. Something crazy is going on out there that has nothing to do with reality as we know it.
In one abduction experience when I was around 9, I was in bed next to my grandmother in Queens,NY. I woke up to a small, childlike looking grey hovering over the foot of my bed. It had a smile on its face, but I did not get friendly vibes. It was an unmoving smile, as if on a robots face. It was clearly gesturing for me to follow it. As I was thinking I can't fly, I found myself floating upwards, then THROUGH the window fan towards a giant ship hovering high above the street. I see a larger, thinner, more serious looking grey at an entrance on the side of the ship. Once inside, I can't tell if I'm looking at a flat screen, or a giant window. There are others, but my eyes are glued to the screen. It looks like we were flying over a city in India with similar, almost Arabic writing on the signs. Next thing I know I am at the base of an mountain observatory. I see many excited and happy looking faces on the people climbing up. My next memory was of being in a snowy region in front of a row of trailers. I see military in white camo with white weapons around the perimeter. I notice several children holding hands with greys and walking to and from these trailers. I look to my left and I am holding hands with one as well. He telepathically tells me to keep this place a secret. That is the end of my memory. When I woke up the next day, I didn't have the foresight to look at my body. I did remember everything I just wrote and told my grandmother. She believed me and always told me how unusual I was.
My earliest memories are of a bitter homesick feeling in the pit of my stomach that still comes back from time to time. I am very introverted, bookish, and have always had trouble interacting with people. I used to blow out lightbulbs with regularity until my mid 20s. I'm not sure what I have done to make it stop. I do remember having a spike in my early 20s when I got pregnant. I lost the baby. This is how I found out I was O-. It was another decade until I read that blood type could be significant. I hope to try hypnotic regression as well one day. Please forgive the essay.
TTGG ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 19:20:27 on June 6, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I want to believe.
Keeeton ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 18:39:48 on June 6, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Have either of your parents been abducted or seen the same beings when they were younger?
๐๏ธ Alhazred01 ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 13:17:39 on June 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
I'm not sure. I have some suspicions that my mom may have been. She tends to have blinders on in life and ignore anything that makes her uncomfortable. I've tried talking to her about this before, but she usually shrugs me off. Shes far to sweet to ever say she doesn't believe me. It's more of "that's nice dear" kind of thing. She does have some similar... Let's call them quirks... That makes me think it may be possible. But I don't have any proof, and I don't think she would recall even if she was. My fiancรฉe brought up a very interesting point when i was speaking to her about this once. My parents were having trouble conceiving for a long time and right before they gave up she got pregnant. Now that by itself is not all that strange. But she brought up how similar I am in stature to the beings as I perceived them. I'm about 6'4 and 135-140lbs. I have long fingers. And I'm whiter than snow. I've had doctors ask if I have something like marfans syndrome or something like that, but I don't. I had some genetics tests done at the hospital not too long ago while trying to sort out the hormone issues that had some "slightly unusual markers". Although I don't know exactly what that precisely means yet. Likely just a genetic anomaly causing the hormonal issues or something. But I see that doctor in a couple months. They changed my medicine after the results though. I'm nearly sterile too. Sorry if that's tmi.
I'm definitely not trying to claim anything, but its interesting to think about. That last part I felt may be relevant because I know hybrid animals we breed are usually sterile or have difficulty breeding. Again. Not trying to claim anything crazy, it's just an interesting/scary/weird thing to think about. I also look nothing like my dad, and if you knew my mother you would realize infidelity is less likely than alien abduction would be. She was raised catholic and was a virgin until she met my dad at 29. She was living at home with her parents. She's essentially a saint. She's the type of person that goes back into the store to pay for a case of soda she forgot about on the bottom of the cart. My dad is about 5'10 and is German/French, but his skin is so dark I've had people ask if he was Mexican. Some of that is from tanning though. He's also fairly buff, pretty much the stereotypical jock. He was not pleased when they found out I needed glasses in first grade. Or when I didn't want to play the sports he tried to get me to pay as a child. Was always more interested in reading and tinkering.
I also am what you might call a walking skeleton despite eating whatever I want. Anyway, all of that is less than circumstantial, but it's still an interesting thought.
While I was doing research and trying to sort this out, I found out that a lot of abductees are taken their whole lives, since children. And after learning that the Easter bunny memory and the fact that I can't remember a lot of my childhood made a little bit of sense, looking at it from that perspective at least. I have no evidence to prove that to even myself at the very least. All I know for sure is I had a happy childhood. Grew up in a loving two parent upper middle class household. There is no reason for me to be suppressing anything from childhood as far as me or my parents know. It's just very odd to me, Its like huge portions of my childhood memories are just gone. I only have what I call 'snapshots'. Just a flash of an event here or there, like a still image in low resolution. The Easter bunny memory is the only childhood memory I have that is that clear. I can recall so much detail. That's what made it always stand out.
This is unrelated but I also have noticed after the experience that I often have these super intense cravings for salty food or sugar. This likely is unrelated or related to the hormonal issues, but I felt it may be relevant to something. It's just something odd I've noticed.
Keeeton ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:55:12 on June 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Since I was a child Iโve been scared of being abducted because youโre powerless to stop it, they seemingly abduct you your whole life, if you have children theyโll get abducted and to top it off, itโs hard to find people who believe you.
Thank you for answering. I hope you find answers so youโre not second guessing what youโve been through.
LaVey32 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:35:02 on September 26, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Late to the thread...have you seen a doctor about the markings? This account definitely needs an update, I can't explain how interested I am in your experience!
๐๏ธ Alhazred01 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 13:41:32 on June 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Crap, I just remembered something after I wrote that last comment. So, my dad regularly has these dreams about aliens. And being an alien on an alien world. But he pretty much watches nothing but scifi. Specifically that mind-numbing action scifi where you can fall asleep in the middle and still get the gist of it. So I'm sure it's nothing, but that's the only thing even related that I can think of with regards to my father.
Keeeton ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 09:59:22 on June 8, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Did you say you were electrocuted? Was it under strange circumstances?
carstanza ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 22:34:00 on June 6, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Also wondering this, abduction experiences have been shown to run in families.
Trillian258 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:41:15 on June 6, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I had the exact same thought...
standsure ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 06:39:08 on June 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you are looking for help with triggers you can try EMDR - it's helped increase my manageability of PTSD symptoms.
It's not a talk based therapy.
Ningen04 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 11:23:02 on June 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wow. I am fascinated by reports of aliens and ufonauts, as well as their connections with folklore and ancient mythology. Obviously that field isn't relevant here, but I would like to point out some of the similarities between your report and those of others. I used to be a closed-minded scientific skeptic or debunker, but then I had a UFO experience of my own, and was alerted to the presence of things that science cannot explain. Here are some cases from 'Passport to Magonia' and 'The Inhumanoids' that feature aliens holding weapons that are very similar to the remote-shaped device that you say your abductors pointed at you. I am particularly interested by the similarities that strange beings have with each other, especially in the equipment that they carry and their appearance.
Trillian258 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 21:31:50 on June 6, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So... first of all I just want to say I'm so sorry. I'm sorry that happened to you, I'm sorry the mufon people weren't more helpful, I wish I could help you get over it. But I just don't have those kind of answers. I do want you to know I 100% believe you, for whatever that's worth.
The ONLY idea I had was maybe trying to find out how to get in touch with other abductees.
I'm pretty sure the guys who Fire in the Sky is based on are still alive. I know they went through a lot regarding the media, people not believing them, and of course the actual abduction... and whatnot. But their stories never ever changed, even after being offered lots of cash to say they faked it. They went through a lot, and the one who got abducted also had an adversarial experience, like you. In contrast to what mufon wants people to believe about aliens.
RandoRando66 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 15:50:56 on June 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Pictures of the damaged doorframe and your back door?
darkalleykittykat ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 20:27:29 on June 6, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This might be a bit off topic, but do your parents know? I know that this is terrifying for you, but I simply cannot imagine how awful it would be to know your child had something like this happen to them and there was absolutely nothing you could do to protect them. As a mother, thatโs where my mind went, and it made me sick to my stomach. Your fiancรฉ sounds wonderful. Lean on them and let them support you. I hope that time can heal your emotional wounds. PS...I donโt think Iโd get hypnotized either. I have some mental blocks too. My gut tells me that Iโm not ready to deal with them yet. Trust your gut.
๐๏ธ Alhazred01 ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 13:39:03 on June 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
Yeah, I've talked with my parents about it. They're kind of ambivalent about the whole thing. My dad is like early stage dementia or memory loss from a life of drug use. He was the quintessential 70's hippy living on a commune growing weed. Can't get him to see a doctor so we don't know. Anyway, he's so unstable and flip floppy these days, I don't know if he believes me or not. My mom I want to think believes I had this experience, but although she is an absolute Saint, and the best mom I could ever ask for in a million years, she is the quintessential ditzy blonde. She's great at her job. And she's very loving and supportive. But beyond that... Well.... I told her we wanted to honeymoon in Japan and she thought Japan was a third world country with people living in jungle shacks or something. Just that kind of thing. She says some remarkably dumb stuff, and it's not because she lacks intelligence but because she has blinders on in life, and if it's not immediately relevant to her daily life she doesn't pay attention at all. So she's listened to my account of the experience, and she's supportive, but it's kind of like the motherly "oh that's nice dear" kind of thing. She's asked me some questions about it recently though when ive brought it up with her. So she's at least got a little bit of an open mind. They both of course have no recollection of the event. I suspect it's possible my mom was abducted though. I posted a long comment above that a someone asked about this. Go check that out and let me.know what you think.
Trillian258 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 21:40:12 on June 6, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes! Also OP, your parents could have some insight into This! I have read that abductions can be familial. Like, a woman has been experiencing abductions since she was a child. Her father did as well. And now her own children experience it. So perhaps your parents know more than you think they do.
merpaderpderp ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 22:40:19 on June 6, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
can you post pictures of the bruises or of the door frame scratches?
๐๏ธ Alhazred01 ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 14:20:44 on June 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The bruises I should have some shitty pictures of somewhere. I know I snapped a couple after the event. I have so much regret and disappointment for not documenting it more thoroughly right after it happened. I should have asked someone to take pictures of them clearly. But I was embarrassed/traumatized/overwhelmed. The door frame I know I have pictures of, and even if I can't find those I can just go over and take a new one. Those are definitely still visible. I'll take a picture of the thing in my knee too. And maybe I'll take a picture of the hall and the kitchen/backyard so you guys can get a better understanding of the layout.
soverytrinity ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 18:18:25 on June 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I, too, would love to see any of the handprint-ish bruises you have pictures of. The sincerity in your recount, and the zeal in all of your comments and quest for information give you infallible credibility in my eyes.
I don't think I had any experiences per se, but I will throw into the void that after the first time I saw the fourth kind, I had debilitating nightmares for months. Months. To the point that I was falling asleep randomly and immediately slamming back into the nightmare. The tldr is my son, who's autistic and at the time was 100% nonverbal, non signing, basically no communication skills whatsoever, would be essentially on an examination table, in a dark room but completely lit up (I'm starting to get violent shivers right now and I'm getting the painful goosebumps. I also started crying, if we're being transparent) by bright lights. I can't see figures, but I know he's tightly surrounded. I can't see his whole body, he's sitting up on the table, but I have the sense he's naked. He has his arms and hands (my forearms feel super heavy right now) up face level and he's clenching and unclenching his fists, which is one of his usual stims. His face is contorted in a silent scream, which is also a normal stim for him, but I just know he's trying to scream for me and he's doesn't understand why I'm not coming help him....
My heart is pounding and I'm sobbing and I fucking wish that I had decided to type this out sooner, because I went and rewatched that stupid fucking movie and I'm so full of regret now.
Follygagger ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:02:42 on September 1, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Please put them in an edit on your original post at some point
hana_c ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:51:09 on October 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Any updates on pictures?
sentientshoe ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:43:46 on June 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
any updates on this whole situation?
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:04:18 on June 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have not been abducted, but I have seen these forms or entities that are made of like this dark mist or matter. Itโs blacker than black and I only saw it at a young age. At my grandparents house I had this reoccurring nightmare that was extremely real. It stopped when my grandpa died. Iโm a big skeptic, but Iโm a very big thinker and like puzzles, so as a kid I understood fact vs fiction as you kind of explained yourself. I know what I saw and felt was real and now Iโve got this black mist or matter or smoke as something apart of me in a way.
Iโve become more fond of darkness and often talk to this dark matter or mist. Itโs almost like a part of me. My other half. Iโm able to grab the cold of shade. When I talk about it I often get shivers and feel a presence inside my soul per say. Very weird experience you had. I know many accounts of abductions include radiation poisoning afterwards or even cancer developing. Something with alien technology giving off radiation. Maybe they stopped over the pool because water absorbs radiation and it was a good way to cover their tracks.
ThePorcoRusso ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:48:43 on June 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, very interesting experience. I'm sorry it happened to you, and please don't get me wrong, I'd normally consider myself a skeptic so saying I believe you is not quite possible, but your experience has actually made me think about my stance for a while.
I'm slightly concerned about the tumour in your head. Do you think the tumour could be the cause of your hormonal imbalances, and maybe even your anxiety? (Center of the brain implies close proximity to the frontal lobe and pituitary gland). I'm glad it's benign though.
I wish you the best of luck and hope you find answers :)
The_Deen ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:08:37 on June 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโve had similar experiences. Only 2 come to mind, once when I was around 5-7 I shared a room with my brother (I have done this all my life), he had bottom bunk and I had top. I remember getting up some time in the middle of the night to use the restroom. We had just moved into a new home and we did not have curtains over the 3 huge windows that were at the front of our room. As I climbed down I saw it. Just standing at the window staring at me with its hand pressed against the glass. Me being terrified climbs back into the bed and just watched in absolute terror. It stood there for what seemed like an eternity, then simply turned around and ran off into the wheat field that was across from my house, this being had to be at least 7 feet tall because my windows didnโt start until about 6 feet off the ground and I was able to see itโs entire chest region.
The 2nd encounter I had was when I was 17. I have no idea if this occurred before or after an abduction. I was laying in my twin sized bed, I had a window that was just to the right of me about 7 feet from the floor. When I first woke up I immediately recognized my home alarm system blaring, the alarm was going through itโs cycle of repeating โIntruderโ. I open my eyes and I see a very bright light in my overhead window, I look twords my feet and there is a being just like the first one I remember seeing. I immediately start to panic, but my whole body feels like itโs asleep, numb, it was like coming out of a heavy anesthesia. I was able to move my limbs but with great effort. The being started to approach the head of my bed and I really start to freak out at this point. I was doing everything in my power to fight back. The last thing I remember is it looming over me, I barely get enough energy to throw my basically limp arm at it, I through my hand right into its eye, then a shriek that I canโt put into words. After that nothing, it was like I used all of my energy just to do that one thing then I passed out, that was my last encounter and I honestly hope it never happens again.
I completely understand the feelings you get when you recall these events. For me when I tell someone about this or think about it I just get an overwhelming since of complete disgust, my eyes start watering and I have goose bumps the entire time.
[deleted] ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 19:03:48 on June 6, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You have a mass in your brain. I think that has a lot to do with what you experienced. That stuff does some terrifying things to us.
InfoExploration ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 05:26:59 on June 8, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So how does that explain the physical scars and nail marks on the door?
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 09:36:50 on June 13, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Acting out a very vivid dream..sleepwalking and scratching things?
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 07:44:50 on June 8, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Were pics posted?
GingerMau ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 19:27:22 on June 14, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This guy is here soliciting support from people who have been through the same thing. I think this is a legitimate request and, in a sub like this, we can either ignore our skeptical instinct to demand "proof, proof, proof" or go debate somewhere else. The guy is seeing doctors already.
upgrayedd69 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 07:15:38 on June 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think even just a pic of his knee (since I assume pics of door frame or bruises is a bit out of the question) would be a little helpful for the skepticism
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 17:49:30 on June 6, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for sharing your story.
๐๏ธ Alhazred01 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 18:09:22 on June 6, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for the response.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:11:23 on June 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This may give you a little explanation for why they chose you. โAliensโ or โgreysโ or whatever tend to have a pattern. They continue to go after people who have issues with their mental or physical health. They study them. You had this nervous system issues and had something attached to you spine, correct? Maybe they were curious about human technology and how they could rewire it?? I hope you get better. I wish I had a clear answer. I wish I could help you. I wish you a healthy rest of your life.
๐๏ธ Alhazred01 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 14:07:23 on June 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes I have a neurostimulator implanted in my spine. I had already suspected that may have been something of a curiosity to them. I am very curious as to the suspicious black stone-like-thing that is now under the skin of my left knee. Which as I said is right in the center of the area affected by nerve damage. It definitely wasn't there before my experience and I noticed it for the first time shortly after. Asked a doctor to remove it, but he wasn't able to. Said I'd have to go see a surgeon to get it out but since it wasn't bothering me I should probably just leave it. It's like its deeper than it appears, or it moved. It looks like it's just a couple millimeters under the skin, but it's not. Maybe it's because I'm so pale, my skin is almost translucent. But it's suspiciously similar to the implants that were removed from patients and tested at Los Alamos national laboratory. They concluded they were nanotechnology and made from meteoric iron and elements not found from our solar system. There's a documentary that covers them pretty well called patient 17 on Netflix. There are a few other documentaries about them too. Apparently the guys in the lab asked the doctor where they found this and when he told them he dug it out of someone's leg or arm they were flabbergasted.
Kunphen ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:26:26 on June 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I saw that documentary. Really interesting.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:37:45 on June 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly I wish you the best! I hope you can get past this or find out what you need to. Good luck!
devongarv ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:49:06 on June 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This freaks me out so much.
For literally my entire life I've had almost the exact same reaction any time I see/hear/read anything to do with aliens. I get goosebumps, I shiver, and I start to sob and get choked up. It's an extreme and uncontrollable reaction that I've never had to anything else. Tears are streaming down my face as I'm typing this. I personally have never had an experience, but my mom had one when she was a child... in Indiana.
JamesSway ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 22:22:13 on June 6, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Are you blonde haired, blue eyed 0 negative blood type? Just out of curiosity?
merpaderpderp ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:47:07 on June 6, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why do you ask this?
JamesSway ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 22:57:44 on June 6, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Seems to be a trend except I answered your question already. > Just out of curiosity.
g-russ ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:10:38 on June 6, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for sharing your experience. Sounds absolutely horrifying. I believe I have had a UFO/ET experience when I was very very young, I donโt have the best memory of it at all but my mother recounts it back to me. Whatever happened has left me so fearful (yet extremely curious) about โAliensโ. After my experience it took me many years to sleep on my own again. But i was too young at the time to understand what I saw but from what I described to my Mum (even drew a picture - which is conveniently missing โน๏ธ) it sounds out of this world. I would be so upset if I knew that what I saw was something normal that just scared me cause I was young - because of the fear I have had all my life haha Never had any other experiences really, well not UFO related anyway.
๐๏ธ Alhazred01 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:24:25 on June 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That actually reminds me of something. As I mentioned I don't remember a lot of my childhood. Just flashes. Except the Easter bunny event which is cristal clear. But when I was in 2nd-3rd-4rd grades I was apparently obsessed with aliens to the point that other kids teased me about it. My mom says I would gravitate to books about them at those school book fairs every single time. Then I just stopped talking about them. Maybe it was because of the teasing, I don't know. I remember being teased. And having some books. But not much else about that time.
g-russ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:39:28 on June 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs weird having a fear of something, it spikes this huge interest as well. To this day I still canโt say what happened but it had a major effect on me. Iโm still fearful, but oh so curious! Yeah all my childhood memories are very fuzzy, I donโt remember much at all.
Kunphen ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 21:27:58 on June 6, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As the others have mentioned, I'm sorry you've had such a traumatic experience. What comes to mind for me, and please bear with me, is lucid dreaming. I'm not saying that's what occurred, but with training you might be able to take more control over the subconscious arisings that are contributing to the fear/terror. It does sound like it occurred in an altered state. If you're able to practice and gain confidence in dreams, much less mastering them, you'll be able to at least start healing the residue of the experiences - and potentially more. Just a thought. Good luck. edit; typos
๐๏ธ Alhazred01 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 14:16:58 on June 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I understand why you might think that. I'm well familiar with lucid dreaming. I've practiced lucid dreaming before. It was absolutely not. Dream. Trying to attribute it to a lucid dream or sleep paralysis discounts all the physical evidence. There were claw marks on the door frame. Wood and blood under my nails. Bruises all over my body. The weird tiny black Rock suddenly under the skin of my knee, right in the center of the area of nerve damage. It was definitely 100% a physical event. It was not a dream. It was not sleep paralysis. Something very physical happened. I just don't know exactly what it was. I also know it wasn't sleep walking because 1 I've never done that in my life. And 2 my parents definitely would have heard something like that. It's why I thought my parents were dead. They are light sleepers. For them to just be laying there like that, something had to have either knocked them out or suspended them in some way. I don't know. That's all supposition at this point, there's no way to substantiate that. But there was substantial evidence of a very physical event. I've seen people try to attribute it to lucid dreaming and sleep paralysis before. It's like the physical evidence just gets dismissed because the alternative is too terrifying. And it is. It's absolutely terrifying, and I can understand why people would want it to be a dream or sleep disorder. I myself wanted to discount it as that for quite a while. But in the end, seeing the physical evidence was soon much to sustain that hypothesis.
Kunphen ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:26:33 on June 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think you misconstrued a bit what I said. I'm suggesting while not knowing fully the causes that you can use lucid dreaming to help heal the effects of what happened. In the Toltec and Tibetan traditions particularly, many realms of existence are available, yet all through the ultimate lens of awareness, just like this realm. If we can gain some volition then we are not so at effect of whatever happens. That's all I was suggesting - a way to deal with what is clearly remaining trauma.
๐๏ธ Alhazred01 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 14:53:42 on June 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ah my mistake. I've seen a lot of people trying to throw the "it was just a lucid dream" or "it was sleep paralysis" thing at me. I apologize. Yes, I do try to practice lucid dreaming, it's been tremendously helpful dealing with my disability. Being 16 and going from active kid on the swim team to being in a wheelchair and then needing a cane really messes you up. Tibetan methodology has been the most effective for me by far. Being able to escape a broken body and run, fly, explore really restored a lot of confidence after my accident when I was bed bound a lot. As for this experience, I have these feeling that whatever happened after I lost consciousness or was blocked is more horrendous than I could ever imagine. It's hard to explain. It's like a subconscious memory I can't get to. Moreover I don't think I want to get to it. The triggers are what's most frustrating. It's like this morbid curiosity of compulsion to seek out a movie or something that reminds me of this and then it triggers me and I start shaking uncontrollably and I have all these terrible side effects of some repressed horrific event. There's someone else who commented here describing the exact same thing when they listened to an interview of the Hill abductees under hypnosis. Like every detail was identical. It's hard to describe, which makes it even more frustrating. I have this fear that if I were to remember it would be something too horrible to live with. Something that would break my sanity or something. I don't know.
Kunphen ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:17:40 on June 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well, since you're familiar with the Tibetan point of view, remember all we can really work with is our mind, whose nature is luminous and vast, and that all phenomena is an expression of this nature. If you really sink into this and understand and realize it through practice, you'll get more comfortable with the "dream-like" nature of all phenomena. This of course includes your experience, its effects, and triggers. Clinging to "reality" and or experience as being solid, from the Tibetan perspective, is what creates all our suffering. If nothing else, recognizing the impermanent/transient nature of all phenomena should also help in healing. Best wishes.
tygrebryte ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:46:52 on June 6, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Man, I wish I had more for you. The best resource I can think of for you is Mike Clelland's hiddenexperience.com, because he might be able to refer you to someplace helpful. Be careful and take care.
Dolphinbear ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:42:25 on June 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thatโs terrifying I use to live in NWI.
๐๏ธ Alhazred01 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 12:56:41 on June 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I live in Highland. I was absolutely shocked to find out we're actually within one of the biggest hotspots for mass ufo sightings. I imagined it would be somewhere in the southwest, because popular media and all that. Like central/southern IL has a staggering amount of them, and we're right on the edge of the Hotspot. There's an interactive map online that tracks mass ufo sightings, you should check it out. There are way more than I ever thought. Like 200+ people all reporting the same exact thing. A lot of them. Like a staggering amount. There were even a few that were seen around Highland around the time I had my experience, and when I saw those, I personally had no more doubts.
Dolphinbear ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:15:43 on June 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I lived in Hammond, and how did you find out that NWI is a hotspot?
๐๏ธ Alhazred01 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 14:57:17 on June 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There's an interactive map online that records all the mass ufo sightings reported and shows the area they're reported in. Here, I'll link it. It's not NWI in particular. We're just on the edge of a Hotspot that is mid IL and around chicago. I remember a few years ago there was one at O'Hare and flights were actually canceled or delayed because of it.
http://metrocosm.com/ufo-sightings-map.html
Look at all those giant green dots by us @_@ if you click a dot it will give you details about it. Date, description, witnesses, etc
jpatton03 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:32:17 on June 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm so sorry this happened to you. I live in calumet city, and that makes reading this even more terrifying.
Shaken49 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:30:39 on June 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
any picssss
trumpseyebrows ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:38:26 on June 30, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I and many others, I'm sure, would love an update or to see those pictures.
Carkorot ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 13:27:00 on June 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't believe this story.
superfly_penguin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:36:54 on June 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why?
Carkorot ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:53:02 on June 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just way too unbelievable and seems to be made up based on the writing style and logical flow of ideas.
anonymous_being ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:30:38 on June 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for sharing, OP.
Here is some recommended reading material for you:
http://www.oregonmufon.com/index.php/books
common-knowledge ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:08:47 on June 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry this happened to you. I can't imagine how terrifying it was or how much it affects you now. It sounds like you have some pretty significant PTSD. Another commentor mentioned EMDR. This would be a good therapy that could help you with the flashbacks and terror you experience, if you can find a solid therapist that is also a believer. I have not experienced this myself, but thank you for being brave and sharing your story. It could help others feel less alone.
InfoExploration ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:30:49 on June 8, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting stuff. Never felt that kind of fear or want to, but did you get an emotional sense of the aliens? Or are the basically souless robotics?
I ask because our 'vibes' are our intuitive guide and will give you a sense of how evil, neutral or positive beings can be.
tennybrains ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:17:20 on June 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sadly (or maybe luckly) I dont have anything to add to the abduction experience itself. But about MUFON telling you its a positive experience: there's a possibility they could hear how perturbed you were by the experience and didn't want to make you more nervous. I realize it backfired as seeming uncaring or jaded, but maybe it was just some of those lies to tell to calm people down. Not trying to excuse them tho, but maybe there was no malice on their part either ya know?
FagMob420 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:06:08 on June 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
did you try to talk to the aliens?
TecnoWaffle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:58:07 on June 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not doubting you OP, but I kinda want to see the scratches on the doorframe. If you can't get a pic I understand.
GingerMau ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:34:59 on June 14, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Really glad you shared this. Your experiences with MUFON are extremely interesting, as well. I'm sorry you've had to go through this and I thank my lucky stars every day that I am of no interest to them. You seem to have thought about the bigger picture and implications a lot and your response seems really level-headed and...healthy. Even if it is a bitch to live with. I sincerely hope there are no more visits for you in the future. (And I wouldn't bother responding to redditors who suggest you don't know what you know...that's a losing battle.)
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anneelhilator ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:21:05 on June 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, I believe you too! More power to you for coming out with this traumatic experience. I hope the pain lessens over time. Your fiance sounds like an incredible person, I'm glad you have her support. All the best :)
superfly_penguin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:43:57 on June 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I believe you.
You mentioned looking one of them in the eyes. Can you further describe their eyes/face? Did they look similair to the stereotypical โgreyโ image you get when you google it? Also, do you experience the intense fear/shaking etc when you look at some alien/grey images on the internet? Also, do your parents sleep with their door open?
Rubberduc142 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:26:49 on August 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I wish I could attach a picture. I have bruises on my legs that are very strange. Straight down the center of my thigh like someone tried to iron a pleated pant, but it's my thighs. And I'm suddenly missing hair on my forehead. Is suddenly much thinner at my hair line than it was the other day. And I just got a haircut a couple days ago, do I was just looking at my hair recently. And there was a weird mark, like a design in my skin that I tried to take a picture of.. but as I tried to focus in the mirror it faded. Like daaaamn.
RexGalilae ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:31:04 on September 1, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Could you share a drawing of what you think the tall greys looked like?
It would be crucial if others sharing similar stories also report encountering the same creatures.
TheBestNick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:35:10 on September 15, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't suppose you happened to take any pictures of your bruises that night? The hand ones specifically?
houtm035 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:59:58 on September 18, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hi
This former MUFON researcher(he was agnost at the time he was with MUFON) has multiple experiencers testifying on camera. Who 'they' pick is not completely random. They share how they defend themselves. At the end of the interview multiple people come on stage to tell you what they went through and how they've put an end to it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tStmPk9IuQk
Whitewave333 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:31:58 on September 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I use to get sleep paralysis. One time I levitated in the dream. Didn't see anything and could only equate it to a "ghost" because how would I levitate without someone holding me up, had to be a ghost right? Well anyways in the "dream" I felt awake. One of those dreams. When I woke up my whole body was asleep. I have had sleep paralysis, but never waking up with the whole body numb. I just thought about that as I read your story. Something use to happen when I was younger with radio waves, but I always equated it to the fillings in my mouth. Like I would start singing a song and the radio would turn and it would be playing that song. Just odd things from childhood. I guess they can be explained, but I remember the levitating and that was super frightening.
chrisolivertimes ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:15:34 on June 6, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It wasn't aliens, my friend. Those were shadow workers and you're far from the only one who's seen such things. You were abducted but also shifted into a reality not quite entirely in this one we're in now.
Posts with some similarities: OP sees people and can't wake parents, OP frozen in bed, my own experience with similar beings
Most of these encounters aren't nearly as hostile or terrifying as yours. Most of these experiences are with benign or even benevolent entities, yours most certainly was not.
๐๏ธ Alhazred01 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 12:43:50 on June 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)*
I've noticed a massive chasm in the school of thought among ufologists. On one side you have the 'contactees' who claim they are benevolent. On, on the other side you have the people who do not believe they are beneficent in any way shape or form. Personally I subscribe to Dr. Karla Turners early work. Anything with the ability and willingness to manipulate our perception and take us is inherently deceitful and can't be taken at face value. Even when there are beneficial side effects, think about a farmer. If an animal is sick and a kid is sick. Who do you get medicine for first? Any farmer will tell you, the animal. The kid will be fine. The animal is your livelihood.
I respect your opinion, but personally I do not believe in ghosts or demons or shadow people. Whatever they were they were very much so corporeal beings. And they were not entirely shadowed. That was just because of the light, I was able to make out skin color, texture, some facial features. Etc. Again, I totally respect your opinion, but based on my life experiences that is just my personal position. Without empirical evidence there is no way for any of us to know for sure what they are or why they do what they do. And based on other abductee accounts I've read, they give conflicting reasons for everything, and even take conflicting forms. This is one of the reasons I support the thinking behind Dr. Turners early work. She doesn't make any unwarranted jumps in logic and unless something can be proven, it can't be assumed to be true. She just works from the position that what people are reporting is happening, in the sense that it's not just a psychological phenomenon, I.e. Sleep paralysis. And then looks at everything from a detached and logical sound perspective. One of the most frustrating things among ufologists is the willingness of so many to rely on nothing more than abstract emotions, and what's maddening about my experience is that I cannot definitively tell you what happened after I was taken from my house. Just that it was physical (based on the physical evidence) and that it was very very bad. The latter point is frustrating because I have no way to prove that, even if just to myself. It's just an abstract feeling that I have. A subconscious recalling. And there is nothing less scientific than an abstract feeling. It drives me nuts.
As I stated before, part of me wants to recall what happened. But I'm also terrified. I kind of want to have the suspicious black stone thing in my leg removed and analyzed. I can post a picture of it, you can see it beneath the skin, the skin moves over it. It doesn't look like it's that deep, but the doctor still wasn't able to remove it when I asked him to. He was a little perplexed that he wasn't able to get it, as it does look close to the surface, but its almost as though it's deeper than it appears, or it moved. I have read and seen video of alleged implant removal before, and it does look suspiciously similar. There's an excellent documentary on Netflix called patient 17 that covers a lot of that stuff. Very compelling and intriguing stuff.
So personally I have no doubt that they were physical "flesh and blood" beings. Im of the position that they are not extraterrestrial, simply because I have an understanding of the vastness of space between cosmic bodies and the physics and energy requirements that would be necessary to traverse them. I believe extradimensional would be more probable, as we already have a planet capable of supporting life right here. It would also explain a lot of the capabilities that are reported by abductees and the capabilities of their craft. A fourth dimensional (or higher) craft for example would seem like it might be breaking apart and coming back together, or blinking in and out of existence while performing seemingly impossible aeronautic feats of maneuvering. It potentially could explain accounts of them "phasing through walls" and things like that. As well as their need to manipulate our perception. It would explain why their forms differ from account to account. We simply wouldn't be able to perceive how they truly look. I also believe they've been here doing what they do for... Well pretty much all recorded history. Old religions would call them angels or demons or gods, watchers in the sky, etc. humans wouldn't have the understanding to describe them properly beyond their narrow frame of reference, nevermind the ability to comprehend their nature, even just a 150 years ago. There are just too many collective pieces of circumstantial evidence for me.
Conebones ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:30:42 on June 6, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This happened to me 2 times. They sprayed a type of gas at me and I couldn't move or scream. 3 of them stood over and did something and then we're gone. Scary stuff man.
zeroviral ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 07:12:11 on June 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thatโs a pretty good story. It was way too long, but you should make a book. Next time record it so we know youโre not lying.
๐๏ธ Alhazred01 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 12:15:33 on June 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Book? I'm not interested in writing a book or writing a story. I'm just looking for people who have had legitimate experiences similar to mine, and their input. It often keeps me up when I go over it in my head and I think of all the things I should have done. Obviously I never could have recorded the actual event. But i could have done a much better job of documenting everything immediately after. I DID write down everything I could remember in a notebook shortly after. And I took some pictures of the door frame, I'll have to dig those up. The bruises were chilling. They weren't just abstract purple shapes. You could actually make out digits and palms, and I wanted to believe I did it to myself in my sleep. But they were in places I just can't reach. Especially with the neurostimulator implant in my spine. There were bruises on my biceps that went all the way around. And you could clearly see each digit. And the ones on my back were even more pronounced. I should have asked someone to take proper evidentiary pictures of them for me, but the stigma is so bad, and the event was so traumatising in itself that I just wanted it to go away. I'm not interested in up votes or views, I just want to talk to a few people who have been through the same thing.
Nu_think ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 12:44:33 on June 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I thought you said the doorframe still had the scratches on it. Why not just take a photo of the doorframe as it is now?
Nu_think ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:31:24 on August 27, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Am I the only one that finds it strange that OP has not returned since writing this, to answer any further follow-up questions, or substantiate his claims with sketches/evidence?
hgfdsgvh ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:16:12 on September 29, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Youโre not. Iโm totally open to believing him but as someone else with a lot of health issues heโs openly discussed both hormonal imbalances AND a brain tumor. I wouldnโt be surprised if his own mind is playing tricks on him. Iโm under the impression we scientifically know about as much about the human brain as we do about the universe... But yeh, how about that doorframe?
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:31:49 on June 7, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for posting this fascinating account, OP. I second the suggestion of EMDR to process the immediate trauma. I did it to deal with some very difficult experiences, and despite my initial skepticism, it totally worked. Whatever methods you use, I hope you're able to come to some kind of peace with the experience.
I've thankfully never been abducted as far as I know, but I also do the streetlight thing. I'm not sure that they blow completely, but they often blink off as I pass under them. Never several in a row, but it happens often enough to be noticeable.
el_bohemio_chileno ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:16:42 on July 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why don't you post a video of you going near light bulbs and fluorescent lights? That's a type of proof that I would like to see.