battles ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:59:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's where it was released first.
What a disaster! Fuck Twitter.
Gestrid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:16:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I waited for the YouTube post to post to Reddit. Posted the link before anyone and still got deleted. (No, mods, I'm not mad at you. I understand why.)
"Now fulfill your destiny and take your father's place at my side!" - Emperor Palpatine
UrbanAce ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:27:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Speculation (not sure if anyone posted yet): That burning building with Luke falling in front of it is the new Jedi temple/order he established that Kylo destroyed with his uncontrollable power etc. I know this has been speculated before, but now we have a clear shot of the temple. It will be interesting to find out if Kylo was responsible for wiping out other potential Jedi etc or if this was just the result of a power trip. Also, that scene at the end with Kylo reaching his hand out seems to have fire around him which might be from the same event, but it looks like he has his facial scars so maybe not.
You know what, I bet the last Kylo-Rey scene IS "misdirection" but not like people think. That is totally going to be a vision like the "Force Cave" scene in Empire. That's why he doesn't have the bandage on his face as Rey wouldn't have seen him with it.
Is there any way to get a link to the trailer with subtitles? Probably the most frustrating thing about movie trailers in general for us hard-of-hearing people is no subtitles X(
Lets be honest Luke is gonna whine about not wanting to teach her. she's gonna follow him around for awhile then do something nice to melt meesa's dark soul and he will trainer. Kylo is gonna join up with her to fight snoke after he bitches out at him. then at the end of the movie there will be a cliff hanger where kylo gets blamed for Leia's death even tho it wasn't him and ray will be out to kill him with black storm trooper.
The AT-ATs appear to be knuckling like an ape on the the fore arms. I bet those wrist joints open up and out so that they can climb up rock faces...which is going to be super cool...
Thanks!!! Just read this (ref. Gorilla walker). Looks like they wanted something more aggressive that couldn't be taken down by tow cables lol
Still hope they can grapple though
Is the shot of Luke emerging from the debris of Jedi temple, meant to be an indication that he got his wrecked by Kylo and the Knights of Ren???
naza01 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:27:04 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What do you all think about Rey? Iโm hundred percent sure that she is somehow the child of Luke
Landwini ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:40:35 on October 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just wanted to point out, don't know if this has been mentioned, but I know for a fact that the last scene is two different scenes. Kylo Ren does not have the scar that Rey gave him, so his scene is a flashback likely to an event in the force awakens, seeing as he doesn't look much younger. One might say that it is a flashback to his betrayal of Luke and the destruction of his academy, but wasn't that a long time ago?? Anyways, I say that they were not interacting with one another, but perhaps is foreshadowing something to come later.
I honestly think that Kylo won't kill her. That will be the next major point where kylo shifts to the light side and does not want to lose his other parent. But then another tie fighter or something will crash into leia or fire a torpedo and kylo will build up more resentment against the first order
That's definitely the vibe I got from the scene with Kylo's hesitation and
"This won't go the way that you think!"
from Luke, as well as the fact that it's a trailer and in no way is going to reveal such a major plot point 2 months out from a film everyone will go see regardless of trailer quality.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 00:02:33 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snoke will have her killed (phasma maybe? Or heโll do it himself and then Kylo and Rey team up in 9 to destroy the empire/sith
Hell, that could even be the direct reason Finn is fighting Phasma in the trailer. Base gets invaded, Phasma disposes of Leia, Finn walks in as it happens and takes revenge on Phasma. I thought maybe the fight was just over their history in TFA, but Finn's determination doesn't really match someone who shouldn't really have a beef with Phasma over their brief history.
Very possible, but, are you suggesting that Luke becomes one with the force? Because we know that Luke, as per Lucas' order many years ago, could never be killed.
I believe as part of the deal he made with Disney, is his original original scripts and concepts had to remain intact. In those concepts was that any character can die via being killed...except Luke.
This was first tested in the awesome novel from the New Jedi Order series, Vector Prime. Where Chewie is killed via a moon crushing him.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:17:40 on October 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke gonna get got, not because he loses to a superior opponent but because he chooses to do so. To me being a Jedi is accepting death is inevitable. Trying to fight/overcome death is the dark side.
Arronwy ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:39:59 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Might be right. Kylo might be mad in that elevator scene because he couldn't kill her/someone else did it after he failed. And he is either mad he couldn't do it himself or mad that she did die. This spurns his move back to the light somehow. Last scene with Kylo reaching out his hand is to Finn after Finn fights Phasma or around then. Guessing there is something more to Finn than just FN-2187, imo.
Ren goes evil at the end as Snoke is talking to her about "When i found you I saw raw untamed power beyond that something truly special" and he is telling her to "fulfill her destiny by joining him". Another good hint that she is the one he is talking about is she says "Something inside has always been been there...now it's AWAKE". Snoke mentioned something "awakened" TFA. Coincidence maybe but unlikely.
I think Ren goes to Snoke after training with Luke without completing her training becuase he decides to stop as he is afraid of her potential. She decides to go after Snoke anyway without completing her training (sound familiar?). That's why Luke says "this is not going to go the way you think." He knows she will lose if she faces Snoke.
Or my crazy theories could be 100% wrong.
Kasuge ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:43:33 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I never thought kylo might be reaching out to finn... but that actually does make sense.. nice idea man
I think that you're right, and at this part, Kylo is actually going to enter the lighter side w/ rey? and then the part where Luke is talking about the over 9000 midi-chlorian count Rey's system, he is actually talking about Kylo Ren
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:52:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If they attempt to redeem the character that killed han solo I'm beyond done
Anakin killed the Jedi at the temple, children and all, and more after the fact. He was redeemed at the end by Luke. Ben clearly butchered Luke's new Jedi, its not far fetched that kylo might be redeemed.
Than again, I don't think this is what will happen.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:51:32 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lhamo66 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:30:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Got it in one. It's unfortunate the story had to take this shape but neither with foreceably removing Leia you give rise to a great arc for Kylo to come back to the light and everything points to this.
Same here. Since they're both strong in the Force, they can feel each other's presence, so he can't hide under a convenient "I was in the middle of a battle, I didn't know who I was shooting" rationalization. At this point, I can't help but expect a lot from Leia's death scene (we know it's coming) and Kylo's role in it.
JJ3595 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:08:18 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm betting some sort of Deux Ex Machina device (Kylo's ship gets hit by a spare bit of debris, ruining his chance to blow up Leia) averts tragedy in that scene.
I think so too. That crossed my mind when I saw that part.
Txdust80 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:17:24 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or he is a double agent and he is trying to get to Snoke and he that is why Han helped him with that other (spoiler ) and he is just tells himself to get it done at all cost
99% certain Leia sacrifices herself to save others somehow.
Goes down with the ship as a rear guard while the rest retreat?
Or maybe we finally get to see her use the Force in some badass way as she goes out in a blaze of glory?
[deleted] ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 08:39:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ooh, I like that. We don't actually see her give the order. Some comms guy in another ship looks at Laura Dern and says, "She's ordered the ship to go to ramming speed."
jcitme ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 09:08:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pursuing flagship's shields go down but the fleet is too beaten down to make use of it, then her private corvette launches and right when someone mentions that it isn't armed heavily enough to make any difference it manually hyperjumps into the bridge of the FO ship - that sort of thing?
TecTwo ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 11:14:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It seems certain she would be able to sense Kylo when he's near, so it's not a huge leap to think she sensed doubt in him and was trying to influence it.
Ianchez ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:14:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
From the trailer I got the feeling she was manipulating those ice foxes in some way, maybe as scouters.
Leia has been using the Force subtly for years in her political career. She doesn't even know she's doing it. Now that her focus of love is gone(Han/Kylo) her control over raw power waivers. Those who stand in her way will suffer.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:27:11 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My bet is on this as well. No better way to go out than to sacrifice herself (probably for her son too). Forget the CGI or recasting or having Leia go into exile; Leia going down guns blazing (or ship blazing) fits her style the most.
h3p ยท 70 points ยท Posted at 04:43:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like if Carrie had written a will depicting her death scene, it would go something like this, "If I'm going to go out, I want it to be fucking spectacular. Like, proton torpedo in the taint. Shot from my son. That kind of shit."
They did say that they didn't change anything in VIII but had to rewrite IX because of her passing, right? But did they ever say for sure that she doesn't die in this one? Maybe Leia does die in VIII but the way the story handled it in IX suddenly became wrong because of Carrie's death IRL?
It could just be that there would something revealed about what Leia did during VII or VIII for which they had to shoot extra footage - which was obviously not possible anymore.
I used to bullโs eye womprats in my T-16 back home
ChronX4 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 05:17:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If nothing happens to her in this one I am fully expecting for the opening crawl in IX to mention her passing.
Jcit878 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 07:18:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
im expecting her to become one with the force personally. seems to be the most dignified and honerable way to go about it. sort of obiwan style. hell maybe her ship explodes and she becomes one just before it would have killed her
I'm wondering though if Luke's whole "It's not going to go the way you think" bit is actually a conversation he's having with Leia before this battle sequence. After all, Leia's character generally tries to find the good in people - I could definitely see her betting the house on Ren coming around. It would be a sad but poetic way for her to go out though, if her own son was irredeemable.
She turns to the dark side so that her and kylo can rule the galaxy side by side as mother and son. But she gets her limbs pulled out of their sockets by Chewie who still holds a grudge for being ignored by her (?)
My silly mind thought 'What if Leia uses the Force to transport her mind/soul into Ben and uses him that way, to take on/take down Snoke? Decides to kill herself/her son at the end'.
Kyber crystals are naturally colorless now right? So if those are kyber crystals than some sort of EXTREMELY powerful dark side entity would have to have tainted like all of that.
demalo ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 12:30:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wasn't it that manufactured crystals were red but also prone to failure?
BushyDio ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:06:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
EU
demalo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:22:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, we haven't seen anything like that since Episode 7, when the Falcon was flying through the SD guts, or since Episode 6, when the Falcon was flying through the DS II super structure!
Same action, now with red crystal background!
(Glad you're excited, just wish design wise these new movies did something, ya know, new. Makes me sad.)
I was slightly joking. The Anti-Cheese edits are versions that get rid of some of the sillier parts of the prequels. Like Jar Jar is dramatically reduced in TPM and when he's there, he's speaking a subtitled alien language. Midi-chlorians are eliminated entirely.
Teocyn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:47:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Made the film look a bit meh.
KCIV ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:02:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fail, You missed the opportunity to mention sand and how coarse it is. God and it gets EVERYWHERE
I really don't see it as within the parameters of rey's personality to get rejected by luke and decide snoke is the obvious next best thing. She has a relatively clear moral compass and considering she initially wanted nothing to do with her powers, she isn't exactly someone I see falling into a power hungry role like the dark side. She wants somewhere to belong, but I don't think that requires abandoning her core morals to find it. She already rejected the dark side before.
Of course, anything is possible, but it just feels out of character for her. That isn't to say there won't be some turbulence, but I'd be pretty surprised if she really went in that direction.
She doesn't want power, but she does want to feel wanted. She wants family and inclusion. If Luke rejects her because her power makes her unwanted, I could see a string of events that maybe don't lead her to deciding Snoke is the "obvious next best thing", but at least swapping sides. Especially if Kylo Ren doesn't switch. Then she has a "friend and mentor" in Ren, not Snoke.
I don't know that I'd bet on it, but I could see it as a possibility. I think it'd certainly be engaging.
Uuugh, sorry, but I hope not. Simply because I want to believe that Han and Leia are not the worst parents in the galaxy and two of the worst characters ever written.
What's not remotely plausible is that after she meets her "father", and Han does fucking nothing. The moment they meet and explain the situation, the cat is essentially out of the bag. Han has no reason not to be upfront with her.
Keep in mind, if that was the concern, Han could have told her he was her father and simply not told her Kylo Ren was his son as well. Also keep in mind, Han has been off just smuggling around the galaxy. Maybe not the best life, but better than a life on Jakku.
Same thing with Leia.
Now, that's not to say they don't know who she is, but they do not react the way literally ANYONE would after meeting their long lost child. Doubly so for Han, since he could have easily picked her up. This means that they are, pretty much without equal, some of the worst parents ever written. Hell, even Vader at least wanted a relationship with his son, even if it was to rule the galaxy.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:21:06 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ahhhhh my bad I didn't realize my comment was so out of context; I wasn't saying that Rey was their offspring, but that she was perceived to be Force sensitive to an alarming degree and putting her on a sand planet was the easiest way to mute her abilities and connection to the force as directed by Luke after his experience with Kylos fall to the dark side. I mean to say Rey was put on Jakku to stunt her growth in the force by Luke rather than be trained, regardless of her lineage, not that ham or Leia dumped her off.
Oh, yeah, I think we're in agreement then. I think that's a lot more plausible than her being Luke's or Han/Leia's child, honestly. Everyone would be acting fairly reasonably and consistently, including (maybe even especially) Han, as well as Luke.
What if Snoke is her father and Luke couldn't bring himself to kill him or his daughter, but assumed they wouldn't meet up again... somehow? It would be pretty dumb, but it's a remote possibility.
What if Snoke is her father... it's a remote possibility.
I mean, Poe could be her father too, but it's not really a theory with enough of a possibility to be worth entertaining.
Luke could be her father. Obi Wan could be her grandfather. Hell, Chewbacca could have been her adoptive father. All those make more sense than Snoke being her father.
I don't entirely disagree with that, but so far as it seems, Rey's character has an inherent moral compass that does definitely give her a strong sense of right and wrong, even when she wants to put her own fears/wants before a greater cause. I mean, you see it on Takodana when she nopes the fuck right out of there because she's about as terrified of the Force as she is of the First Order, but that's turned around on Starkiller base when she finally accepts it and stands her ground.
Just speaking from an objective look at her character's core personality traits, Rey seems to be a genuinely good person and that extends beyond her own personal wants and needs. Yeah, I think she desperately wants to belong, but I don't think she is likely to turn in her morals just to fit in, and I think she's even less likely to do so for the guys that killed Han... who let's recall, is probably the closest experience she's had to feeling like she belonged.
OR, perhaps they play on the Dark Empire comics of yesteryear. Maybe Rey doesn't succumb to Snoke directly but chooses to for infiltration purposes. Only to have her tempted by the dark side.
Probably not but who knows. All I want is for Luke to change the game and follow a gray Jedi path in that he believes extremes in light and dark only lead for conflict. Maybe he has found a way to truly have balance by partaking in both. Maybe play off the Revan storyline a bit in that respect.
I think Luke dies (leaving Rey adrift) and Kylo turns to the light. The final scene of the trailer is their commitment to becoming something outside of the dark/light dichotomy.
I kind of hope so just because part of me is like "everyone hold hands, be friends, space is cool!" but at the same time, I don't think that what happened with Han is redeemable for the fans. That was some heart-stabbing shit right there.
Or Luke refuses to continue her training
Kylo is betrayed when snoke wants Rey instead
Rey resists snoke
Rey fights snoke
snoke about to win
Kylo wrecks snoke with surprise attack
That's all good except and I would agree except for the "last Jedi" title thing.. two of them would have to die. No?
Rey, Kylo and Luke.
Pick 2.
Luke is a Jedi, retired or disaffected doesn't change that. Kylo helping Rey would make him a Jedi. Jedi is just a moniker for what side you're on. You do "good" you're a Jedi, you do bad, you're a Sith.
I think Luke tries to kill Rey cause he's butthurt over what Kylo did and dies from falling or something, Ray is now the last Jedi.
But that's literally the trailer right?
I hope I have no fucking clue honestly. But unfortunately I will not see it the first week so it will be completely spoiled. I remember the next morning after the last one everyone gleefully telling everyone else Han was dead.
clwestbr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:01:26 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah Finn and Phasma is like...full of sexual tension. People thought the Finn/Poe slash fiction got out of hand, wait till you see what this will bring
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:37:58 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She totally wears the pants.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:30:00 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm definitely thinking someone's new force ability is going to be pocket sand, can't believe we didn't see that coming.
Matope ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:45:58 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dinosaurs eat Finn.. Woman inherits the franchise.
They are different scenes. Rey's voice echoes: she's in the same cave we've seen her in other clips, with Luke. Her back would also be turned to Kylo as he appears in the next shot. The light from the fire near each of them is behind both of them.
It's unlikely Kylo came for a friendly hang out with Luke and Rey to help her convince Luke to train someone again.
Naw it's just right before Kylo Ren goes "PSYCHE!!!". He retracts his hand, sweeping it through his hair. Then they start fighting.
Ziodus ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 10:09:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you look closely, Reyโs outfit in that scene is the same outfit she initially encounters Luke on Ahch-To in, which she abandons once she begins training properly for those sweet, sweet merchandise royalties.
The lighting on their faces was completely different. His light was pulsing, I assume from flames based on the ashes in the air. Her light was a solid glow, perhaps at sunset. I doubt they're even on the same planet!
Yea it looks like Rey is definitely in a cave with Luke while Kylo looks like he's outside in the middle of something collapsing or something.
DrJawn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:38:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
His extended hand and her words are two different parts of the movie.
Why would Disney reveal the whole plot in a trailer?
I'm doubling down that Rey is Anakin. I think Snoke cloned her from Anakin and he is telling her to join him because it is her destiny.
When Luke says he wasn't a scared of the power last time he saw it, we think it's Kylo he's referencing but I think it's Anakin. Yoda asks him if he is scared and he says no, and Yoda says, good, you will be.
Them showing Kylo about to shoot Leia, when Carrie is dead, is an obvious throw off. Why the fuck would they reveal that? Also, Kylo is in a TIE fighter and she is in a huge ship, we all know those little ships can't take down huge ones.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:45:32 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You forgot when Luke says, "This is not going to go the way you think.
DonMonnz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:55:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Be even better if they werenโt in it at all just to fuck with everyone
Ellyann ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:01:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The place where Rey say she needs someone to show her where she belongs looks like the one Kylo is standing ^
Same colors and all, but yeah a fake vidรฉo would be fun XD
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:14:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't normally grammar Nazi, but for some reason "teacher her" bugs the shit out of me, it's "teach her".
TrenchJM ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:04:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was thinking that the whole thing with Kyle and Rey was the same scene but that it was a vision cave like Luke experienced in Dagobah. I felt that the scene where she's collapsed and panting, with a cave behind, is her going through this experience, after which Luke says "breathe" and her training starts.
Aujax92 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:59:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Obvious misdirection in the trailer but it honestly wouldn't be that suprising. I've been guessing the plot point in the trilogy of Kylo goes good again and Rey ends up on the dark side.
I mean the whole extended universe is filled with these force flip floppers.
If you listen to the audio it sounds like she's in a silent rock chamber, whereas it looks like Kylo is standing in a larger area amidst sparks and something being destroyed.
That's the impression I get. Disney has a track record of shameless misdirection. It's a brilliant marketing tactic on their part: Rian urges people not to watch trailer. What does it make people want to do? Watch the trailer.
It also keeps us all guessing for longer than we might otherwise.
Well can you believe, like I did when seeing that trailer, that it could be Rey that destroyed Luke's Jedi Academy when she was a kid? And that Luke had to do a mind wipe because of story reasons which we'll find out later?
Yea. The whole "I have only seen raw power like this once before" makes you think he is talking about Kylo since it cuts directly to the building burning down but my guess is that he is still referring to Rey, just as a child before they fucked with her head.
grimonce ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:40:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cute funny small animal with big eyes... disney did it again
danw650 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 10:42:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is no way Luke spends the entire movie cowering and afraid of the Force. That dude kicks SOMEONE'S ass, with or without a lightsaber. He has to get some action.
Lol. Ok. I'll indulge. Yeah, when it made its noise I think I drew my face up into a sort of half sneer. Internally my inner dialogue thought, "ehhh...?
I'm open to new species, new characters, and comic relief. So we'll see what the space gerbils can deliver.
Wookies don't actually die. Rather, when their bodies are mostly destroyed, the largest remaining part of them starts growing into an adult. They go through an adorably precocious phase early on, and throughout life all their growls can be roughly translated as "I am Wook"
ben0318 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:26:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs a bird (inspired by the Skellig Michael native puffins where Lukeโs island scenes were shot), not a gerbil.
Itโs called a โporgโ, apparently. I have a feeling that that name is going to cause some awkward autocompletes/corrects.
That thing is adorable, but Iโm scared itโs going to be the new JarJar.
Coming from someone that has only seen the first 3 Star Wars (as a kid, no less), I think it is this comment that has convinced me to give the rest a go.
Oh I know, but certain shots had enough happen to be slightly spoilerish like snoke using blood bending. However nothing was bad enough to elicit some of the things people are saying.
And both Snokes power speech and Luke's power speech are about and to Rey IMHO. Ben keeps thinking he's chosen but he's just normal strength - his arc will be redemption through coming to terms with that.
And Luke was talking about Anakin, which is Rey's level. Making it not about genealogy or force royalty but back to that space of wonder in A New Hope where a boy from a farm can be special.
He is the only person that's been shown to stop a blaster bolt dead in it's tracks. Even Vader was only ever able to deflect them. Plus he tanked a shot from the bowcaster, which I'm assuming he had to use some sort of force suppression on, otherwise he probably would have lost his leg right then and there.
I think Luke is referring to Kylo when he says he's seen this kind of power before. They go right to his Jedi temple being destroyed, presumably by Kylo. This could be a clue or misdirection.
Donโt think so, think heโs talking to kylo. Fits with Lukeโs lines in the trailer of โhe saw this kind of power before and it didnโt scare himโ that was kylo.
obrysii ยท 1547 points ยท Posted at 02:12:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I assumed it was Darth Vader he was talking about. "I'm not afraid."
oorza ยท 1067 points ยท Posted at 02:13:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think they're going to swap roles for the third film, with Rey playing the villain and Kylo the hero. Silver Darth suit = light side badass.
[deleted] ยท 823 points ยท Posted at 02:17:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo would follow in his grandpappys footsteps then, just not in the way he thought he would.
Reveres Anakin but completely misunderstands his motivations, thinking Vader's strength came from his embracing the darkness for power's sake, so Kylo tries to do the same against his good nature. Believing that Anakin chose the dark side for the same reason, when in reality, he did it to save the person he loved and out of desperation. Where they take Kylo in 8 could make his arc really, really strong writing.
I'm excited to see someone else who thinks Kylo is a good character. I didn't understand the hate after TFA. I thought his character was interesting from the beginning. Adam Driver is bringing his all for the role
A lot of people thought, "He's whiny, so he sucks." But that actually made him so much more interesting. So many Star wars villains have just been big tough dudes, it was cool to see someone so overcome with emotion.
milk_bone ยท 404 points ยท Posted at 03:19:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely. Kylo is utterly tortured and Adam Driver does an amazing job. The emotions that play on Kylo's face in every scene give so much depth to his character. I think he is the most interesting character in the new installment.
Definitely. Darth Vader is great and all, but he was the villain for 3 movies straight (Understandable, as it was a more cohesive narrative), and then we got Maul, Dooku, and Grievous. They were all pretty similar in terms of that kind of archetype of character. Not exactly the same, but kind of similar personality wise. Kylo Ren was just so refreshing.
Also that introduction of him just stopping the blaster bolt in mid air was just so cool. Showed his strength, and then the rest of the movie showed why him having that strength is something to be feared.
Yeah, agreed. He was my favourite thing about TFA. Iโm convinced heโll turn full circle, either turning away from the dark side or sacrificing himself at the end of the next episode, as Vader did.
Ecko09 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:07:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope he survives.
Ecko09 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:07:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope he survives.
Tilltre ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:13:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I totally agree
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 11:28:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think Rian could make Kylo interesting. But in TFA he wasnโt really portrayed as anything more than an emo manchild with a red lightsaber.
Donโt get me wrong, Adam Driver is a phenomenal actor. But like most things in the sequel trilogy, Kylo is a B-list version of a superior character that came before him and had the same story progression. He is Darth Vader.
I disagree completely. I don't think he is an emo manchild. I think he was an extremely powerful, angry young padawan who had the legacy of his family thrust upon him. He was seduced by power and the dark side and is now constantly in agony over the path he has chosen. He wants to be completely strong and all powerful, but has to fight the pull back to the light. We are watching a villain in the process of trying to extinguish all lightness and good from his own being, and the suffering he endures as he does so is clearly immense. If it ends up looking like a caricature of a villain, it's because he isn't what he tries so hard to be. Wrapped up in all of it is this twisted and misguided hero worship of Vader, a man who could not have been more different from Kylo. Vader walked a path of wanting so desperately to bring goodness and light and peace to the galaxy, with just enough fear and arrogance and just enough of a thirst for power to make him susceptible to the dark side. His turn to the dark side was driven by desperation and love and a hail mary to save the person he loved most in the world. Kylo and Vader could not have had more starkly different paths to the dark side. I maintain that Kylo is interesting, and as the viewer watching him, knowing this is the child of Han and Leia, named after goddamn Obi Wan, you can't help but grieve and search his face for a sign that he is not completely lost yet.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:35:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He wishes.
blow_hard ยท 104 points ยท Posted at 03:48:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which is doubly frustrating, because he does not actually whine about a single thing. He shows emotion (and conflict!) but I do not remember a single whine.
In TFA kylo was a kid playing dress-up. He wanted to be like his grandfather. He made some major decisions and did some major things he can't take back. I'm pretty sure he's completely lost it and for him everything just became very real. Hence the reason he smashes his helmet. He's not playing a game anymore
Itโs like Holden from Catcher in the Rye. A lot of people hate him for the same reasons while completely overlooking what makes him an interesting character.
AND he can stop a blaster bolt in midair with barely a gesture. I liked his complexity as well. I'll be interested to see if/how him killing his father affected him.
I agree with you and I think Kylo is all right. Not a huge fan but he is interesting so hope to see more of him. My problem with him as dark side antagonist is that there was so little to fear from the dark side. Snoke did to little to spark my complete interest and Kylo wasn't enough to make a believable enemy here.
He's not even actually whiny though. Not a single petulant moment out of him. He's a whirlpool of negative emotions, but he's far more seething than whiny.
nixmix06 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:19:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You donโt find the lightsaber temper tantrum to be petulant?
Petulance entails inaction and pouting and passive aggression- like, a good example of a petulant villain, imo, is Ronan the Accuser in GOTG. He's played totally straight as a threat, but he spends the other half of his screentime making a >:C face and complaining. Kylo doesn't do that.
The lightsaber tantrum seemed more like he's incapable of interpreting negative emotions as anything but sheer explosive rage. Petulance would actually suggest a restraint he lacks.
ravens52 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:47:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it was cool to see someone so overcome with emotion.
Sounds familiar...Can't put my finger on a villain who could have possibly been overcome with emotion in a Star Wars film... Maybe it'll hit me later when I take a trip to Tattooine and talk to some of the locals. Probably not, though.
Seriously. Anyone who hates whiners needs to rewatch ANH and pay attention to Luke. Whining is practically the bedrock of this franchise. C3P0 whined his way through the trilogy and get "beloved sidekick" status. I believe Kylo will be well regarded after the sequel trilogy is finished. Maybe we're a little too close to it now.
Well, personal opinion; it's just that the actor didn't seem to come off as emotionally conflicted or "embracing" the Dark Side of Anger; just seem frustrated and entitled.
I'm sure it was more down to prep time and the director being unsure the direction of the character instead of the actor's skills though as he seems significantly more focused on this one.
ibisum ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 05:33:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gotta rake in those teenage drama queen bucks, yo.
Kylo is such an incredible character. The way that, when you first see him, he's clearly trying to be Vader and presents himself as this badass, loose-canon super darkside villain, but then the mask comes off and you see how completely unsure of himself and confused with his place he is. Then killing his father (do I need to put a spoiler tag at this point?), thinking that will push him fully into the darkside. I'm so excited to see where 8 and 9 take us with him!
Honestly I kind of think Kylo didn't actually kill him. Han died, that much is obvious, but I really felt like that scene showed Kylo was starting to realize he's in way over his head (especially when he says he knows what he has to do, but he doesn't know if he has the strength to go through with it). I think that by turning on the lightsaber for him, and sacrificing himself to save his son from Snoke, Han helped kylo from taking that step to the dark side.
Wait what? Han didnโt turn on the lightsaber. You could clearly see Kylo turned it on, and you can even see that moment of shock/surprise on Hanโs face when the lightsaber went through him. I think Han honestly believed Kylo was going to give in and go home with him or something.
Thought he was one of the best characters in recent memory. Felt unstable on screen. I believed he truly didnโt know his own mind. Favorite enemy since Maul (at least they didnโt kill Kylo off as fast as him).
Phantom Menace - Maul is introduced. Kills Qui-Gon. Gets chopped in half by Obi-Wan. But lives by force grabbing an air vent and swinging into the trash chute.
Attack of the Clones - (Maul is not seen)
The Clone Wars - Maul is shown again, this time with weird spider leg things. He is ultimately given cybernetic legs. And seeks his revenge on Obi Wan and the Sith. Maul had joined, and become leader of, the Deathwatch. One of the best fight scenes of all of The Star Wars canon was the Maul/Pre-Vizla fight. He fights Darth Sidious also, another great fight. Yadda yadda, he loses and goes into hiding.
Revenge of the Sith - (Not seen)
Rebels - a much older Maul is still around, looking for some ancient sith super weapon. Meets up with Ezra and Kanan. Fights them a little, helps them a little, yadda yadda... Obi Wan, now Old Ben, finds him and kills him
I donโt watch the damn cartoons or comics and shit. The Phantom Menace he was introduced (awesome and terrifying) and died about an hour later. If I never see him again, idc if heโs hypothetically alive. That doesnโt do anything for me.
Not really trying to fight with you on this one. But I don't care about your movie/animated series watching preferences. He didn't "die about an hour later." He survived that fight and lived for many more years.
"Idc if he's hypothetically alive" - not hypothetically alive...Just alive.
Listen SW nerd, I know you want to be 100% factually accurate because this is your nerdy domain. But, the reality is, you donโt see his ass in another movie. He appeared in one, thatโs it. He was a badass character that wasnโt utilized enough. Dead, alive, doesnโt matter. How many SW fans do you think watch or read all the EXTRA shit? I think itโs safe to assume most have followed the movies and thatโs what they know. If you watch cartoons and read the books in your spare time, great. I donโt have time for that shit.
Downvote the shit out of this, I give 0 internet karma fucks.
You know that it's ok to be wrong about something, right? You're here, in a Star Wars subreddit, and said something incorrect about Maul. Got corrected. And went on a tirade about it.
Iโm being told I took an L from a guy who plays Pokรฉmon and watches cartoon Star Wars. Iโve seen it all now.
The dude took one word, โkilledโ, literal and couldnโt see past the fact that I was referring to we never saw him again. Clearly, youโre as dense as he is.
And I'm SUPER intrigued by the fact that you are disparaging people who watch Star Wars... IN THE STAR WARS SUBREDDIT.
As for the Pokemon thing, I don't even know where that came from. I haven't played Pokemon since I was 10. But again, not really relevant to the fact that you took the L on your Darth Maul comment, lol.
I think the small fits of rage that he had kinda ruined him in TFA for a lot of people. He didn't have the same shroud of mystery Vader did because he let his emotions hang out too much. But I dunno. I'm kinda drunk.
I thought it showed how conflicted and distraught he is. Think about it. He wants to embrace the dark side but doesn't feel evil.
Compare him with other sith we have seen. They were all so certain of themselves. Kylo is utterly uncertain. He doesn't know who he is. He thinks he knows who he wants to be, but ultimately he cannot fully be that so where does he stand?
That's what makes him well written. Like, the dark side is cool and all but come on, most Sith are tropes back to front. Evil for evil's sake. They're more caricatures than people. Kylo feels like a person.
Dikardo ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:27:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because, Snoke is hiding the true nature of the darkside?
Galtrand ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:37:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also, I think showing that when he's frustrated he just maybe slashes at some stuff reveals he's not as evil as other sith, whereas darth vader would just fucking murder people if something went wrong.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:47:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's a pretty clear indication that he is not lost, not quite yet.
Think about it, you give Vader some bad news what happens? He accepts your apology and someone else gets your job.
You give Kylo some bad news what happens? You call maintenance and tell them the consoles in Room 318C need replacing.
I thought the fight between him and Rey in TFA was quite telling too. He hits his blaster wound, causing himself more pain and suffering to try and fuel his link to the dark side. These aren't the actions of someone with a deep connection to the dark side, rather the actions of someone trying to hold on to whatever tenuous grasp of the dark side they have.
But that's the point. He's not Darth Vader, but he thinks he is. He's not as disciplined, or confident in his convictions. But he thinks he is. He's a character, not a manufactured icon meant to replicate Vader.
I totally agree, I just think the final execution wasn't done as well as it could've been. I speculate that's the reason so many dismissed Kylo as a character. I personally like him, but can see how others don't/wouldn't.
NanoGeek ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 03:36:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought Kylo was brilliant. J. J. Abrams knew they couldnโt make a villain as iconic as Darth Vader, so they made a villain who was trying and failing to be the next Vader.
I kinda agree. I think making a sith to rival Vader would be hard as fuck. I'm not sure that was his main motivation. Also, Snoke got me thinking the emperor was a 'lil bitch. So I dunno.
I thought it was great. It shows how dangerous and unstable he was, to have all that power and test still be ruled by emotion. Kinda like having a petulant child with the nuclear codes.
I felt he was more interesting because of his fits. it showed instability and what I feel like is something he could tap into for his darkside abilities. It made me feel like he's a madman that could take on anyone.
Drunk enough to give valid criticisms ya mad dog. I like the character, and am excited to see what they do with them in this film but you're right, he was childish with his little tantrums in TFA which I guess ruined it for some.
Badloss ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:25:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the whole point is that he's childish. until now all dark side have been masters in full control, it's cool to have a dark Jedi that actually shows some rage and passion
Yeah, but when he was beating his light saber into the control panel I audibly laughed out loud at how silly it was. It went on for way too long in my opinion. A quick strike showing his petulence would've been much better imo.
I like Kylo, but I can get how some wouldn't like the execution.
Yeah, the prequels have plenty to complain about, but I really appreciate what they did to make us understand why Anakin became Darth Vader.
bckesso ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:03:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In the beginning, Vader was "menacing" but not "interesting". In the start of this trilogy, Kylo is "interesting" but not "menacing". Great subversion in my opinion.
But isn't that what made Vader so great? We thought he was in control of his emotions but he actually wasn't? They made to many callbacks to grand daddy for him to not be compared to that formidable figure.
He is comparable yeah. But he doesnโt know the real story about his grandfather. But like him he is struggling with doing what he believes is right and what is right. Heโs still young and very powerful. His emotions make him act out or be impulsive. But he believes in the cult of personality of Vader and strives to be like that. Little does he know heโs more like Vader then he knows.
I agree with you, the struggle is there. However, we never really see Vader act out in a similar manner. In my drunken condition I'd say the biggest break we ever see by Vader is his force choke on Admiral Motti. I'm obviously removing the child murder from the prequels as that is 'pre' Vader.
I'd argue he's less like Vader than he knows. Vader attempted the Darkside switch presumably because he thought he could save those he loved. I think Kylo has misinterpreted his ancestor's actions and overcompensated. Thinking he needed to kill his father to gain Vader status. What we've got is a super badass angsty teenager who thinks his grandaddy was super cool (not that I disagree). But I think his propensity towards the darkside is where the Vader comparison ends.
IMO Luke is much more similar to Vader considering how he can relate to both sides of the equation. I've often thought that might make him the true balance to the force. But I'm realllyyyy drunnnnkkkkkkkkk and going to bed now. Been fun talking with everyone. NIGHT!
But that's because he wasn't supposed to be Vader 2.0. Him wanting to be like Vader but failing makes it more interesting than just making the same guy all over again
I kind of get the impression that the rest of the FO gets that the mask is an affectation to begin with. Hux is completely unsurprised to see him unmasked in front of Snoke.
People aren't accustomed to villains being so weak and vulnerable. Imagine Luke in Episode V if he was on the Dark Side... that's basically what Kylo was in Episode VII. Not a particularly likable character.
Fe1406 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:50:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He was the best thing about the movie! I guess I just start skipping comments or reviews if there are complaints about Kylo / Driver.
They did say that it would be very divisive between fans...its possible it's because many fans see Kylo as irredeemable for killing Han...and if he turns good it will piss a lot of people off. Not me.
If you take TFA alone, Kylo is a weak character. But it's a stupidly good base for a trilogy character. The people who love him see what could happen in VIII and IX, the possibilities. The ones who hate him either don't see it or don't trust disney to do it justice (which I can understand.)
I fell like they could have avoided the whiny complaints by having him not use his light saber in a pissy fit of rage. Instead have a call back to when Vader is told Padme died. Kylo screams and things around him get destroyed. Showing uncontrolled power rather than a teenage hissy fit.
CL60 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:02:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People expected him to be a badass sith, so automatically anything that wasn't that sucks. But really his character is great.
ThaNorth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:52:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The majority of people think Kylo is the best character in the new franchise. He's a villain with depth. He's not just some ultimate villain who's evil for the sake of being evil.
I really enjoy his character and think it's probably the strongest one introduced in the new films. His motivations and relationships feel fleshed out and real
I honestly think it was that scene where he takes off the mask and you see the baby face. Shit made me laugh at the theatre. But I love his arc, and do hope they make it strong by the last one.
mrwynd ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:16:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hi from r/all I'm a Trekkie who loves Kylo. He's a conflicted, interesting character. Is there really that much Kylo hate in Star Wars circles?
Ecko09 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:14:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course he's good. Han Solo(Harrison Ford) no longer wants to go on, Kyle puts him out of his press junket misery. Carrie Fishers family won't let Disney CGI her in the movies going forward, Here's Kylo! He's just doing The Mouse's dirty work.
Herlock ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 07:16:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Beyond the "he looks like a tokyo hotel fan", his character is outright moronic in TFA...
His special mission by Snoke is to get the map to Luke, so he does ham on jakku to get shit done.
Turns out he fucks up and can't secure the map. Goes back to his ship, tortures whoever he found to get info.
Knows it's still on the planet... but can't be harssed with doing it himself, so just sends of stormtroopers while he goes back touching himself in his quarters in front of grand dad posters...
This kind of BS keeps on during the entire movie...
It's worse than Kylo being a bad character, it's the story that doesn't do him justice.
Honestly my thought after the first movie was, not that kylo was a good character, but that he has too much good conflicting in him to be a true smith (or whatever they are now). My guess was that kylo is to much of a pussy and ends up being slaughtered by Rey who has the kind of true darkness inside her to truely fulfill the role. Then I figured in the end it would be the firceless heroes against her and she may or may not pull a Vader right at the end.
I seems to me strange that, after training with Luke, he must know what happened in the death star and about Vader redemption, but still he acts like Vader died as he was in ESB
Plus IMO Anakin embraced the dark side mostly for power, Padme's premonition dreams only fueled his lust for power, not selfless sacrifice
I fear that Kyle will sacrifice himself to kill snoke in ep IX, if so, his arc will be pretty pointless
Ecko09 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:15:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, he knows. He just thinks it was a moment of weakness.
Ecko09 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:15:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, he knows. He just thinks it was a moment of weakness.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:07:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anakin is the epitome of betrayal. He was betrayed by the emperor as much a s he betrayed the Jedi and the Jedi betrayed him.
His entire story is of a young scared slave boy swept into a political world far far far beyond his understanding. The clone wars made sense to Anakin. See droid, destroy droid.
All the intrigue and politicking was so beyond him it became his entire downfall by ignorantly be living in his path of 'good' intent to the very end.
Kylo missed all of this he only understands Vader the Enforcer. Not the kid trapped in a prison of his own design.
Kylo is fated to be good no matter what he does as much as Anakin was fated to be evil.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:24:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is why I struggle with his character. It feels like he shouldnโt be inherently evil like Palpatine was (essentially a sociopath). Anakin had good intentions. Kylo trying to kill Leia, too? Not really believable
Ecko09 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 09:16:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, you can see in trailer his hesitation. I bet he doesn't shoot.
I'm hoping that scene wasn't a misdirect, it could be an awesome screen between mother and son and their force bond.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:40 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree. Holy shit was Carrie a good actor. Imagine Rianโs direction:
โOk Carrie, your fake son who killed your fake husband is in a spaceship, and so are you, and heโs coming to kill you. As he approaches, sit down and stare off into the distance as if some overwhelming dread gnaws at you and you see whatโs about to happen. Got it? Dope OK action.โ
At she fucking NAILS it. Look at her face. My God, I miss her.
If you draw parallels, this line of thinking would make perfect sense for a role reversal between Kylo and Rey. Think about Rey's motivations and history - a lack of parental presence as a major motivating character development point, a strong sense of pull based on emotion, etc.
His line about finishing what Vader started sums up what I think his character will be. Vader redeemed himself but immediately died, so we didn't get to see what would have happened him next. The Rebellion certainly wouldn't have welcomed him with opened arms, and he had rejected the Empire. We might get to see that in Kylo Ren; he abandons the first order, but can he go to the resistance? From what we're seeing in the trailer I'm not sure Luke would even trust him (which would be an amazing arc on its own, Luke being the only one who believed there was still good in Vader refusing to do the same for Ben).
I believe that what Darth Vader started (turning away from the dark side), Kylo Ren will finish (living on and dealing with the repercussions).
If this theory is true, then Snoke knows nothing of the force, or the dark side. Snoke would be completely failing in showing Kylo Ren the ways of the force to allow Kylo to have a great misunderstanding of the dark side.
It sucks that Rey is such a bad character compared to Kylo. Their refusal to give Rey a backstory has made her very flat, and now the only way they can give us a cohesive backstory is if she's the daughter of one of the old characters, on which case she still won't be anywhere near as interesting as Kylo.
We'll see. Yeah she was a flat mary sue but one of the few good things about your character being a blank slate is you have plenty of room to go in weird directions. if she's still the same bland bowl of oatmeal by the end of this film i'll probably just concede her as a bad character.
johnyann ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:31:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unless he does, and he's been spying on Snoke as per Luke's orders.
What I'm afraid of is JJ Abrams doing what he did with Ep. 7, which was basically the same movie as Ep. 4. I really want something new storyline wise that doesn't "run home to momma" so to speak.
sazzab92 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:05:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
and with the shot of him walking with those troopers mirroring the entering of the temple in III I squeeeeeeeeed
dizjedi ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:07:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That was my favorite shot in all the prequels. The way his silhouette is in front of the clone troopers and the framing of the scene was perfect. I love how they pay homage to it in this trailer.
Ecko09 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:17:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let's hope it is accompanied by as great music as Anakin's scene.
Ecko09 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:18:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let's hope it is accompanied by as great music as Anakin's scene.
That would explain Vader's smashed helmet in the earlier trailer.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:50:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think initially it is smashed because he realizes he needs to be his own man, but that journey of finding his identity he could redeem himself.
Binturung ยท 701 points ยท Posted at 02:40:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Been thinking that for a while now. Kylo at the end there is probably reaching out to Luke, and Rey turned to Snoke after Luke gets cold feet after seeing what she's got.
The Last Jedi will be Kylo's redemption arc, and Episode 9 will be him trying to turn Rey back.
Edit: guys, she can be allowed to fail. Too many comments suggesting it can't happen because she's female. Pretty condescending if you ask me. I trust Lucasfilm to give us a great story, and I just think this is a valid route they can take it.
That's a fucking neat angle. The ambiguity of the title is fun in and of itself.
My personal hunch is that Luke is too afraid to train Rey based on her power, so she runs to Kylo who brings her before Snoke and Kylo/Rey go out on their own and 9 focuses on Poe and Finn trying to find and save Rey, Luke assists and Snoke clashes with him in the climax where Rey makes her final choice.
perogies ยท 198 points ยท Posted at 03:06:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
parzalot ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:55:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Although the force is always supposed to be balanced, currently on the dark side the two main players are snoke (ultra powerful) and Kylo (semi powerful) and on the light side Luke (who we assume to be ultra powerful) and Rey (semi powerful). Unless Iโm missing something obvious it has always been this way, so you couldnโt have both Rey and Kylo on the same side of the force
This assessment has so many different viewpoints, and it all comes down to Luke's line "I've seen this raw strength only once before. It didn't scare me enough then. It does now." Was it Vader's power that didn't scare him enough? Was it his own? Is it Ray's power that scares him now? Is it Kylo's? Is it still his own?! Does he see himself turning to the dark side, becoming his father?
I think that line is the single most important piece of the trailer. It's going to lay the groundwork for the rest of the trilogy.
It seems pretty likely based but n TFA that the power that didn't scare him enough was Kylo's- which led Kyle to destroy all Luke had built to restore the Jedi.
I immediately assumed he was referring to Rey's strength now and Kylo's strength as what he saw before.
Edit: but it'd be cool to be thrown off of that assumption. I'm game for most anything really, it's just my mind immediately went there and that rarely happens.
For sure. Both mentors are currently (maybe more than them ATM) powerful but are both aware of how crazy powerful Kylo & Rey will be with the proper training setting.
Based on the trailer both Kylo and Rey are more powerful than Luke himself. Luke states he's only seen this much raw power once before and he wasn't afraid of it then but he is now. The only reason to be afraid is he has no chance of matching it.
I believe that Luke is going to be shown to be very powerful. But Rey cracking the ground just by meditating is on another level. How long did it take Luke to learn to lift a stone with the force? At the same level Rey is unconsciously effecting the environment around her, to a degree that at the same point in his training Luke would have had to use all his energy to accomplish that.
Which is all to say, when fully trained Rey and Kylo will both be more than a match for Luke or Snoke.
Seriously, there's a reason why George insisted that defeating the Sith meant bringing balance to the Force: Because they were using the Dark Side to attain their goes, which disrupts the Force.
The Force is order, and the Dark Side is chaos. The Force wants everything in order, as it keeps life in the galaxy going. This is why beings like Anakin come into existence, the Force needs agents to go forth and trouble shoot it's aliments, aka Dark Side users.
Just watch, that role was to fall to Ben, but when he got corrupted, Rey was the back up agent.
The problem I have with these proclamations of what Lucas said well over a decade ago is this simple fact: he no longer owns Star Wars and new canon seemingly overrides his view of the Darkside
Look, I know the guy had a vision, but, as it stands now, the Darkside seems to simply be a natural aspect of the Force.
I'm not saying it's not a natural aspect of the Force. Everyone has their little dark aspects within themselves. In order for the Force to be healthy, it needs the Dark Side kept in check. Agents of the Dark Side (Sith) defeated equals a balanced Force.
Come on, people don't seriously think that both sides have to be perfectly in balance is what balance in the Force, do they?
Then again, people do think Grey Jedi should be a thing....
Fuck, you think so? I feel like Disney wouldnโt follow through with Rey turning to the dark side, after they set her up as the Big hero of thee sequel trilogy. I think that angle is interesting but idk if I see that playing out
But Rey is an established character. Plus rogue one had a completely different tone from he rest of the Star Wars films, it felt like a straight military film. Iโm willing to bet that the rest of the anthology films will have a different feel as well. So it wasnโt all surprising that everyone died. Sheโs the face of the new Star Wars. Children have dressed in Rey costumes for fun/Halloween believing she is one of the good guys. To have her all of a sudden switch up on us real quick is a little sus to me. I donโt think her turning to the dark and having kylo bring her back is feasible. I can see her being tempted by the dark side, but a full transformation I canโt wrap my head around
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:52:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As much as Lucas wants them to be, the films are not intended for small children.
The Last Jedi will be Kylo's redemption arc, and Episode 9 will be him trying to turn Rey back.
That would fit 6 really well (like how 7 paralleled 4). Kylo will turn Rey back to the light side by sacrificing himself. Solves the killing his father part.
Juke777 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:46:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No he will turn her back because she will be pregnant with his child and pursuing the dark side would take the child's life. So she will choose the light.
So many Jedi make monsters by pussying out at the first hint of dark side - pretty much the story of the vast majority of fallen Jedi. I was hoping Luke might have learned from the past and we'd get a kinda "light grey" Kreia-ish Luke.
I kinda hope we don't tread that "potential Jedi goes bad because of ostracization" route, since it's even kinda like Anakin (pushed over the edge by Padme, but it was built up to by the Masters keeping him at arms length). I'd rather see her become disillusioned in this one but retain her resolve and go more grey, like an Ahsoka type.
Kulban ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:12:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The GenX fan of Star Wars since 1980 in me likes that idea.
However, the father of a 3 year-old daughter who looks at Rey the same way I used to for Luke, wants her to remain a hero.
0neek ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:24:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know it's ok that women need men's help in physical situations right? Like it doesn't say anything bad about them as a person that men are more physically capable?
walktall ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:39:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As someone who enjoys watching the world burn, I hope there's not much of a Kylo redemption as we've already seen that happen with Vader. However having Rey turned to the dark side would be a pretty nifty twist.
Ecko09 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 09:31:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How about Kylo turning back to good side and not dying, having to deal with what he did. No easy escape like Vader.
I seriously don't want another redemption story after having it in the original trilogy. Have a feeling that if Rey and Kylo are disillusioned with their masters, they're going to form their own order or band together for whatever reason and it ties in with the Last Jedi title.
But Jedi tales are instrictly tied into cycles of falls and redemption. With no long standing orders on either side, it's the primary vehicle in which Force users can experience conflict.
That really makes no sense. Would be cool though. But there's no way they just throw away the first star wars heroine. Why would she even join Snoke anyway?
But there's no way they just throw away the first star wars heroine
But she's not the first SW heroine. First female Jedi main in a movie, sure, but first heroine is absolutely Leia. I'm rather disappointed that someone on this sub would even suggest that she wasn't.
In any case, I disagree, I think there's a solid chance they do turn her to the dark side. Don't forget her predatory pacing when she injured Kylo. You could see the rage just seething in her, it was very reminiscent of Anakin when he was facing down Obi-Wan. It was too deliberate for it not to be hinting at future conflicts within herself.
Why would she even join Snoke anyway?
Luke was clearly afraid of her in the trailer. Guessing frustration at Luke being hesitant to train her after witnessing the extent of her raw power. She states she's needs someone to show her her place in these events. All Snoke really has to do is promise her that...and maybe suggest he knows the secret of her family, two things Luke might not be able to give her.
Just throwing one idea out there that comes to mind: Luke (in the trailer) may be referring to Rey when he says that he's seen that kind of power before and wasn't afraid of it then but is afraid of it now...maybe he turns being Rey's mentor down when he realizes this power he could potentially help bring out (again as with Kylo) from her then create someone dangerously strong again.
Rey's pretty damn set on being trained and learning her place in this whole situation, so maybe she does something desperate like thinking she could get trained by Snoke and still be able to turn away from the Dark side.
I actually think the rey Kylo thing is going to go in a completely other direction, Rey rejects Luke, Kylo, Snoke and the two end up leaving both to try and discover the mysteries of the Force for themselves.
Those are not Kylos clothes. He wears the structured stuff in his frame but the reaching-hand-person doesn't. I would guess it's General Hux.
Ecko09 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:58:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Them misdirections
Phifty2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:19:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, it isn't Luke's. Luke's right hand is robotic. Unless the fingers can bend backwards and form a fist on the top of the hand, which would be pretty cool, it's a left hand.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:57:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Similiar to KOTOR's storyline lost the "good" person on the ship, good person reveals they are now bad second to last planet, then you redeem them on the ship.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:20:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thereโs no way Rey turns bad at any point whatsoever. She is the consummate cliche Star Wars good guy
This is basically the โbest case scenarioโ I mentally built for myself after seeing The Force Awakens. I really hope this is how it pans out.
bckesso ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:24:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"That lightsaber...it belongs to me!"
What if it actually did? What if Luke let Ben train with Anakin's saber and gave it to Maz after Ben turned to the Dark Side? This is making me rethink that line now.
Maybe this isn't a bad angle after all. It might actually make things more interesting for he entire franchise.
I think this could certainly happen. Good theory. Personally, I think we're seeing a trend: the destiny of chosen ones (or protagonists in general) in the Star Wars universe. Rey's life is so similar to Anakin's, which is so similar to Luke's. Like Vader and Luke, Rey:
Was hopeless on a sand planet.
Dreamed of bigger things
Is a natural pilot
Stopped part of a sith threat
Defeated a Sith apprentice
Etc.
So, I think Rey is part of a chosen one cycle. First we had Vader, who balanced the force by cutting down the light side. Then we had Luke, who balanced it by cutting down the dark side. Then we have Rey who, if the cycle holds, will balance it by cutting down the light side once again. But something tells me this particular trilogy isnt going to follow the same old cycle again. It'll break it somehow. Rey will somehow be able to deviate from the chosen one path and successfully resist her destiny.
Whether that involves her choosing the dark side or not, we shall see.
Rian Johnson flat out said that Luke is the last Jedi. I think he's right. My hunch (hope?) is that Rey and Kylo's story is the realization that the light and dark side provide needed balance in the Galaxy. The polarization of the Jedi and Sith is destructive.
The two, or possibly one in the end, realize this and start a new path in the force. One that understands that reality is not black and white. They've hinted at similar belief structures in the SW universe before (Ahsoka?). Rey (and/or Kylo) never becomes a Jedi or a Sith, but chooses a more balanced path, thus making Luke the actual last Jedi.
Edit: Yes, I know Snoke and Kylo aren't necessarily Sith. Just using Sith as a place holder for any Dark Side order.
First, I've had others state that Johnson said Luke is the last Jedi (and if it's that tweet you're referring to, there's a not zero chance that he was just shitposting to make clickbait journos look stupid), but I never made any mention to the number of Jedi.
When I talk about Kylo being redeemed, that doesn't necessarily mean him becoming a Jedi. Redeemed means he's freed himself of the Dark side. That's it.
And second, I really really really hope they make it very clear in this trilogy that a balanced Force is NOT equal dark and 'light'.
Using the dark side is still incredibly dangerous, and leads to corrupted force users that disrupt the balance of the Force. Novels in this version of the canon have made that VERY clear that it's addictive and destructive, like it's always been.
Can there be a third, or fourth, or fifth path? Sure! But at the end of the day, a balanced Force is one where the dark side is subsided and inactive, and any Force traditions that draw on the Dark Side of the Force are harmful to the Force in general (which is why 'chosen ones' come about, the Force is trying to heal itself of the bad elements hurting it)
I really really really hope they make it very clear in this trilogy that a balanced Force is NOT equal dark and 'light'.
Me too! I guess I missed represented my position on the force a bit. The problem, and I think the prequels did highlight this well, is that going all out in a dogmatic way that the Jedi do is also harmful to the force (the force being a metaphor for the goodness underlying life and existence).
The Jedi did a ton of damage to the Galaxy in their own right. Their lack of pregmatism helps allow the dark side to strengthen. They set themselves up in opposition to the dark side in such a way that anybody who opposes them for other reasons finds an ally in the dark side. A more forgiving and balanced set of beliefs would do a lot to shutdown any popular momentum that the dark side gains.
I also would like to point out that the force does not wish (or whatever) to destroy the dark side in favor of the light side. There isn't one without the other. Rather the chosen ones come about to bring balance back to the force when one side runs amuck. As an aside, part of me has wondered if there were any chosen ones on the dark side - I think that could make an interesting story, especially in a KOTOR like game.
And I do apologise if I misunderstood you. I took you to mean that the "Last Jedi" wasn't at all literal, but rather a metaphor for Kylo's redemption. I can see that being a double meaning, but I also think it's unlikely that Rian just through that tweet out there without real meaning. Sure, I think he was trolling the clickbait headline, but he was also likely being literal. It'd be rather irresponsible with a franchise this big to mislead the audience in such a blatant way (unless he's since made an explanation statement). Besides, Star Wars movie titles haven't exactly been subtle so far.
I do think luke is the last Jedi and I'm stoked to see where they take the world without Jedi.
I don't think that's the way that things are going to roll. After watching it a few times, it seems that after Rey spends time training with Luke, she wants to take on Kylo and Snoke, despite Luke's disapproval. He knows that she's powerful, but probably thinks that if she goes against them too soon, she will lose, and the Jedi are doomed because Luke wants nothing to do with this fight after Kylo took a turn for the worse, prior to E7. When he says the first time he saw that amount of power was with Kylo when he was training, and then turned, destroying whatever city or area we see Luke escaping the ashes from. I would assume that if Luke had a love interest that she probably died in this tragedy, hence him falling to his knees next to R2. The reason Luke seeing this power in Rey scares him is because he knows that with these battles for the top force dog, comes more tragedy, such as the loss of his father, and is discouraged to help her defeat the sith.
I would think that Rey then goes to take on the sith, by playing opossum and telling Kylo that she needs guidance in her role, hoping to meet Snoke. Kylo would then present her to the sith lord, and Snoke tries to turn her over. After she resists, he probably uses the force torture that we see at the end, and (this is where I'm just heavily guessing) Luke appears, being inspired by Rey's initiative, and goes head to head with Snoke.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 04:18:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I knew there was a reason I scrolled through a hundred shitposts.
No love interest -- it was the Jedi Temple, and all of his students there. Ben -- not only his student but his own nephew -- slaughtered them all and ended the Jedi Order that Luke had been rebuilding. That's what sent Luke into hiding. He likely felt he had failed the Republic, he failed the Jedi, and most importantly, he had failed Leia and Han and Ben.
Plenty enough to send him crashing to his knees.
Ecko09 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:38:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One point though, there's no Sith in movie.
[deleted] ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 02:27:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And how does Kylo become a hero after apperenty killing Leia as well as Han?
shulkario ยท 104 points ยท Posted at 02:28:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same way Anakin did after a couple genocides that even included the women and children too
Kylo also is naive to the power of the high ground
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:36:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even Anakin didn't murder both his parents. I don't see how they could possibly redeem Kylo, and also have Rey do something awful enough to make her the villain.
oorza ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:37:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He will die saving Rey from Snoke in ep. 9. Redemption complete.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:58:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I guess I just think it's cheesy to erase all the evil these characters are done, just because their dying moment was spent doing good. Even with Vader, like I'm glad him and Luke got a moment of "father and son" before he died, but I don't see why we should just forgive Vader/Anakin for committing countless genocides on various alien races and the Jedi.
You are right, I oversimplified it. This is what I think will happen, not necessarily what I'd like to see happen. I really believe that both Kylo and Luke know exactly who Rey is. Kylo is afraid of her power being greater than his and thus her surpassing him, and Luke is afraid of her power destroying everything.
But we care about Han and Leia? Two main character murders are less forgivable than millions of side/off-screen characters. And at the time, we didn't care as much about Obi-Wan.
It's a bit of a funny family though. Kylo's out to kill his parents apparently. Remember who else was supposed to do that? Luke with his father. Yoda and Obi-Wan kept telling him he had to to become a Jedi.
Really though, to us, yeah, but to the people in the movies, they can't distinguish main characters or not.
Okay, then I fully agree. Vader was certainly easy to forgive from an audience perspective.
If Kylo is redeemed, there will be a part of the audience that always hates him. I'd like that. Past mistakes have consequences, let a character show that.
We don't know that he kills Leia and it looks like he smashes his helmet, which symbolizes his evil identity. I think they're going to have Kylo feel guilty as hell for killing Han, hate what he's become (hence the helmet smashing), and when he's given the choice to kill Leia (he has no helmet this scene) he'll abandon the First Order instead. This is all huge speculation, but I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 03:00:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I see where you're going, and I could see it. My personal interpretation of the helmet smash was him "getting over" his obsession with Vader, and realizing he is strong enough without trying to emulate Vader.
renoops ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:40:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, he doesn't kill her. He decides not to, but someone else takes the shot. Thats my theory.
As I posted elsewhere, some have speculated that Kylo isn't really evil and that he's a spy Luke placed under Snoke to try to find him. I'm not sure I believe this theory, but it fits with some of his dialogue from EP7.
Looking at the melted Vader helmet - "I will finish what you started." There's an assumption that he meant Vader, but it could be that he was speaking of Anakin. And that by "finish what you started" he meant the total destruction of the Sith, which Anakin participated in by killing the Emperor.
Killing Han - "Thank you." Presumably this moment is when Kylo decisively flips to the dark side and becomes irredeemably evil, but you can also read it as him thanking Han for the sacrifice, knowing that this display of evil will earn Snoke's trust completely.
This would also help explain why he seems so emotionally unstable and conflicted. "I feel like I'm being torn apart." Because he's a good person trying to maintain the facade of being evil while a sith lord basically reads his mind. An impossibly demanding task. However, we know that Kylo Ren is extremely powerful in the force and his first scene where he holds the laser beam in place while speaking to Poe reinforces the idea that he can focus his power while multitasking.
definitely I think this is possible - look at rey's clothing in the scene that Snoke is force holding her in - shes wearing the same style but all black
Ecko09 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:39:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think you need your eyes checked, she's not wearing black.
antanith ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:08:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think Disney is willing to roll the dice on that kind of gamble given that having Rey as an empowering female lead is doing well for marketing.
Dave-C ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:26:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
(Possible major spoilers)
The story before the movies, not sure of the exact origin but I read it through the Star Wars encyclopedia. The final battle between good and evil was supposed to happen between Han and Leia's son and Luke and Mara's son. Mara was the "hand" of the Emperior, as he was dying he send word to her to kill Luke, they ended up falling in loving and having a child. They sent the child to grow up with Han and Leia, they had left the rebellion to raise their own child. Han's son went evil and Luke's son had to stop him.
I believe they plan to follow this somewhat, Rey may very well be Luke's daughter so we can get a "I am your father" line somewhere.
There is even a period of time where Luke and his son Ben was sent into exile, a lot like living on a planet alone huh? Luke took Ben to many of the hidden Jedi sects for training, training a lot like Rey needs right? Han's son ended up being killed by his twin sister which could mean that Rey and Ren are brother and sister if they decide to follow that part of the story and write Luke's wife out.
Maybe none of this happens, it is interesting though.
Neezzuss ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:56:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think Disney put in a lot of work to make Star Wars 'not just a boy's' franchise and will not go monkeying around with that. Look at their new Forces of Destiny videos as example. Not about social politics for Disney. Its about $. Which isnt to say Rey wont flirt with dark skde like Luke did in original trilogy. But in the end shes not gonna go all dark side on the little girls sho grew up with Rey.
Ah youre one of those redditors who tries to inaccurately reframe a response into most sensational point of view. Im not biting. Good luck with that elsewhere.
i think they might do it where in episode 9 (assuming rey turns to the dark side) Rey and Kylo are part of the first order while Finn and Poe are trying to stop them; then near the end Klyo stops fighting the good guys then starts fighting Rey (maybe this can be his change of heart moment, similar to Vader at the end of RotJ) sort of like a reverse of the Mustafar battle in III
I'm going to be honest, as much as I'd like this to happen, I feel they won't. Also, I trust zero dialogue in the trailer, especially since the last one had dialogue that didn't appear in the film, as well as scenes.
modakim ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:59:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This would be so epic.
sunal135 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:42:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know Rey being evil, would make a lot of things she did in episode VII make sense.
Thishas been my theory since force awakens too. My gf who's a crazy star wars fan insists that'd be stupid :'(
To me the whole "don't let the light side corrupt you" aspect of Kylo Ren seems counter intuitive. The light side hasn't, until these films, been shown as something that "corrupts", that being unique to dark side. So to me all of this felt like foreshadowing, especially with Rey being a super amateur force user, seems like dark side trait.
I've been hoping for this ever since the beginning. Ideally I'd like to see the movie end with Luke and Rey going to confront Snoke and Kyle. Snoke pulls a fast one tricking everyone which ends up with Kylo going to face Rey, but instead running into Luke and Rey who thinks she's going to take on Kylo ends up in Snoke's chambers. Kylo and Luke have a crazy intense duel full of emotion and skill, while Rey who is now on Kylo's level is ready to prove herself as she thinks she's ready (Allow him to show her skill by slaying a few imperial guardsmen) but when she goes in to attack Snoke he stops her dead in her foot steps. Luke realizes what's going on and tries to reason with Kylo, but Kylo is ready to give into the darkness and tries to finish Luke off. While this happens Snoke reveals that his ultimate plan ever since Rey's awakening was to take her on as his apprentice. Rey is corrupted and there's a pause between Kyle and Luke. The two realizing what happened Luke feels that he has failed again and Kylo claims he will defeat Snoke for this betrayal. Luke tries to convince Kylo to return with him, but Kylo force pushes an unexpected Luke and flees. Kylo decides he will do this on his own.
Oh, I wish. That would be the "Jar-Jar is a Sith" twist we never got. But honestly, I don't think Disney has the balls.
jacenat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:06:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think they're going to swap roles for the third film, with Rey playing the villain and Kylo the hero. Silver Darth suit = light side badass.
With her visiting the Bendu and them being featured in both trailers really heavily, I think Rey really will be something other than a light or dark side hero. They might even dig up the prophecy from EP1 with all that talk about balance.
Think most people expect this yeh. Itโs the only thing they can really do to keep it interesting since 7 was arguably a new hope rebooted which disappointed a lot of people
God the audience would hate Rian Johnson for that. โHereโs a character that we tell you is a Good Guy, make you invest in her, grow to like her, and then weโre going to make her the Bad Guy.โ
Itโs exactly what JJ Abrams would do.
[Fun fact about JJ: in Lost, he wanted Jack (the main character) to die from the smoke monster at the same time the smoke monster killed the pilot from the plane wreckage. Then Kate would sort of โleadโ the castaways. But the network wouldnโt let him do it because the audience would feel betrayed and hate him for it. But he wanted to do it!]
siderinc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:07:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thats what I'm think as well
harcile ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:43:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Silver Darth suit = light side badass.
? That was just the goofy storm trooper captain.
Fossil54 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:02:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It would make for an interesting switch but I don't think viewers could forgive him for killing his father
Cintx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:16:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't that Captain Phasma?
evonebo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:33:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I highly doubt it. From Disney perspective this is one female heroine that they have so far. No way will they turn her bad, they are trying to build a character for their female audience instead of the usual princess.
BoBoZoBo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:10:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or Option C, maybe they team up against everyone else...
The fact that you think Disney would have the nutts to make the female turn from hero to villain and have the โmanโ save the Day in the end at this point is entertaining. Would be a PR hell storm
Maybe Rey is related to palpatine? The only people that Luke could be referring to are Vader, Palpatine, Snoke and Kylo.
Edit: I think you are right about it being Kylo, Lukes words cooincide with the scene of the burning building and him having to get out of the wreckage. Could have been Kylo going berserk
Gnux13 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:43:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A super weird chaos theory that I havenโt seen yet:
Could be that Luke and Snoke were working together at one point, both sensed that young Rey was super powerful and then figured out they were at odds about her. Luke hides her on Jakku himself and then goes into hiding so that Snoke canโt use him to find her. In his absence, Snoke manipulates Ben to the dark side after he got abandoned by his own Uncle.
Last jedi starts out with Luke attempting to train her and seeing it go south. Then tells Rey he put her on Jakku and should have just killed her back then, but now he actually tries to. She escapes and is vulnerable to join the dark side but doesnโt want to. Meanwhile Ben tries to go back to the light side because all he wants to be is a great Jedi like his Uncle and grandpa**** were/are. Finds he still struggles with it and then they team up as kind of a middle faction that now has to fight off The First Order and the Rebellion who both want to use them for their cause.
So we end up with some wonky yin-yang faction in between the two and then the last movie is them trying to restore balance by taking out both the Sith and the Jedi.
Iโm sure there are giant holes in my theory and I apologize if this isnโt close to possible. Go team chaos!
Ecko09 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:43:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup current canon and some things we know about it already rips apart your theory.
Gnux13 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:47:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What reason would Luke have to fear Snoke though, Luke is theoretically the most powerful being in the universe (them chosen one genetics) Kylo shares that same link. Though I suppose Snoke is somewhat of a mystery until the movie release.
Yeah good point. We know next to nothing about snoke though, all we know is he is so old he saw the entire rise and fall of the empire, so clearly hes powerful
I still like the theory that snoke created Anikan and the whole prophecy thing is bullshit, making snoke the original Skywalker.
I think he was talking about his own. Remember how strong he got within like 3 years of loose training? His raw force potential was very similar to Anakin and due to his overconfidence in his abilities he felt that he could train others in the way of the force when we still Padawan level in experience not ability. Then he sees Rey have the same potential is paranoid that she'll be just like him, Anakin, and Kylo in just using the power but never learning what it means to have it until too late.
But to our knowledge those 3 didn't show raw strength to Luke.Both Yoda and ObiWan were old men by the time they got to Luke and Leia turned down training, no?
Leoncroi ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:44:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He could be talking about himself too. In episode 6 he let himself cut loose and bested Vader, then saw it as something to overcome and keep in check. Over time with the destruction of the temple (by means we will see in TLJ), he now understands you can't keep it in check, only tucked away and never use.
I think Kylie was too emotional to reach his full power. My guess is that he has the potential, but not the focus. If he or try get that boost, who knows how strong he could be
Eh, Luke never saw Yoda fight. Vader always held back against Luke and was actually weaker than Luke.
I think it's clearly Kylo that he's talking about. The trailer opens up with Snoke talking about his raw power and Luke mentions seeing power like Rey's once before over an image of the Jedi Massacre committed by Ben.
From the trailer I assumed Yoda. He says it after seeing rocks crack from Rey, and then says he's only seen the power once before i.e. Yoda lifting his X-Wing from the swamp.
I wouldn't say a Jedi massacre is "raw power" in that sense.
In a previous EW article, it's mentioned that Luke thought Kylo was the new Chosen one. So it's probably a reference to Kylo Ren especially how he says that over a scene of Ben and the beginning of the trailer seems to be Snoke talking to Ben.
The trailer is designed to hype up Rey and Ben's Force potential.9
I think he is talking about how he overestimated himself after the Death Star 2 fight and felt that he had what it took to teach others of the force and due to his own urgency was unprepared for individuals like Kylo to go dark.
I've heard that theory, and I would be so behind it. Like some Imperials tried to use some old DNA to bring him back, but chose a female form for some reason (maybe thinking Luke would have a hard time killing a woman?).
I think it's clearly Kylo that he's talking about. The trailer opens up with Snoke talking about his raw power and Luke mentions seeing power like Rey's once before over an image of the Jedi Massacre committed by Ben.
He didn't fear him. Not at first. Now he's scared.
An EW article a while back he even mentions that Luke thought Ben was the new Chosen One. Ben's gotta be a force monster too especially since he's being billed as the co-protagonist.
Aharonov ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:07:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That'd be...interesting, considering Vader's unnatural origins. Would imply that Rey's a biological experiment by some crazed Sith to create another Vader. Palpatine had clones all over the place in the old EU, and Rey's just about the right age. That'd actually be really awesome: the reason she seemed like a Mary Sue to so many people is because she was created to be one. An evil one.
I think it was kylo. He saw it in kylo and wasnt afraid, trained him anyway but then everything happened. Now he wont train rey
Surtock ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:09:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Really? The first person I thought of was the Emperor. Of the very few Force users Luke ever met, wouldn't Palpatine by far be the strongest?
funran ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:23:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't think so, they show the Jedi temple training area being burned and Luke crawling out of the rubble. He means Kylos power and how he didn't take it serious and then was corrupted.
grazmead ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:32:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I reckon it was Vader climbing out of the fire in a flashback.
I assumed it was the emporer he wasn't afraid of and it is snoke he is afraid of.
He wouldn't fear Kylo, he would want to help him.
Snoke it the only person in the new films he would fear. The emporer was the most powerful person in the OT.
Ecko09 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:48:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Emporer -,-'
Jaegs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:57:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree they probably gave up the whole twist in that trailer. Rey being a failed clone of Vader fits all the plot points. Female clone, supposed to be terminated, abandoned on Baku probably by Phasma. Impossibly gifted with the force like someone we know, has force induced "visions" like someone we know.
The saber chose Rey over Kylo and that is NOT Lukes lightsaber, its Anakins.
nianp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:08:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think Luke using "raw power" indicates Kylo. Raw tends to indicate untrained, undisciplined. If he'd just said "power" it could have been either.
pvsa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:18:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
jacenat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:03:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I assumed it was Darth Vader he was talking about. "I'm not afraid."
Right. But the raw power he is afraid is Kylo's. And this line happens before the stone cracking. Would fit into an escalation of power narrative. It would also make Luke's role less the one of a Jedi Master and more one of an observer/teacher. He isn't as powerful himself. His father was. Kylo is. Maybe even Ray.
I thought he said I wasn't afraid enougth then, I am now. Which I took to mean that he wasn't as afraid of Kylos powers as he should have been when training him and missed the signs of his fall to the dark side. He probably sees many of the same things in Rey
zenith66 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:30:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke defeated Vader. He didn't defeat the Emperor though.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:15:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rey is clearly way more powerful then Kylo, that was established in the first film. Darth Vader could be it. Luke also had extensive time with a Jedi Master, Yoda.
"You will be."
obrysii ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:30:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It also lets them set up the whole scene between Kylo and Rey.
Rey: Luke never told you what happened to your grandfather.
Kylo: He told me enough, he told me Palpatine killed him!
Rey: No. I am your grandfather!
(I'm very much opposed to the fan theory but who knows at this point; personally I think she is a Palpatine).
This was my conclusion as well. It seems obvious that a person would think Luke would be talking about Ren, but it was Vader who was always said to have so much power. I think Vader is who Luke was referring to.
Either him or Palpatine. The novelization of Return of the Jedi describes how Luke feels the presence of darkness itself when in the Emperor's throne room. Luke is particularly astounded at the ease of which Palps uses the Force to take his bindings off. In the face of that he was still outwardly confident
The raw power that he saw before that didn't scare him was Vadar and Palpatine (because he was young and rash). The new raw power that scares him is Snoke and Kylo.
No. Vader was half as weak as Anakin and Luke was stronger than Vader.
I think it's clearly Kylo that he's talking about. The trailer opens up with Snoke talking about his raw power and Luke mentions seeing power like Rey's once before over an image of the Jedi Massacre committed by Ben.
Ya I agree. They are trying to create their own strong, memorable characters for this generation of Star Wars and already have one descendent of the Skywalker line. It would kind of weaken the new characters we're trying to rally around if this trilogy was entirely wrapped around dead characters from the OT.
[deleted] ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 02:13:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Calling it now, the raw power line refers to Palpatine. Rey is a female clone of Sheev, you heard it here first.
IDK how I feel about that. I am really hoping she is Luke's daughter but the daughter of Palpatine does make some sense, idk how that works timeline though.
Dikardo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:29:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not a clone, just his DNA
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:13:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes because heโs talking to Rey, he says heโs seen the power before and what scene do we get? The scene of Lukeโs order burning down because of Kylo(presumably). He now sees the raw strength that Rey has in the force and doesnโt wanna train her with the same hope he had with kylo. The evidence is all there in the trailer alone. Snoke says he found kylo with raw power, luke trained kylo. When Rey broke the rock like looked down shocked.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:20:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I guess I'm missing how the interactions with the lightsaber would mean that Rey couldn't be something to Snoke. We think that her caretakers (who is maybe even Luke or someone else working at his Jedi temple?) dropped her off on a remote planet for some reason based on the flashbacks. Perhaps she was a young child growing up recieving Jedi training or something but was carted off to Jakku for what should have likely been a short period of time, to hide her from Snoke. She is a powerful Force user and it's possible that she is "meant" to go down a dark side path like Anakin did, which is why she was drawn to his lightsaber. In any case, all we have is speculation at this point.
If you look for a moment near the end, Rey is being bent backwards by the force and it looks like Snoke in the background.
14mm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:22:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If we assume that Snoke's lines about seeing raw power and the lines at the end of, "Fullfill... your... destiny!" are in the same scene, then it definitely is to Rey. When we get the Snoke close-up, he's wearing some gold-colored robe. When we see the next shot of Rey frozen in the air, screaming, there's a blurred, golden figure in the background with his hand extended out toward her.
The fact that he is telling Rey to fulfill her destiny makes the case for me that the beginning lines are from the same scene.
It would be pretty disappointing if Luke was referring to Kylo. How could an entity so powerful that it scares Luke F. Skywalker be so easily defeated by a girl with no formal training?
What if Kylo learns the power to bring back the dead and that's what scares Luke? What if Kyle died and he came back, hence the scar on his face?
Also, they keep showing that burning building where Luke/R2 are. I wonder if someone died in it when someone else was trying to kill Luke.
marson12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:10:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He was totally talking about ray. Who is the most powerful force user that he has met? darth sidious. when luke met sidious luke wasnt scared of him. and sidious was more powerful then vader so vader couldnt have been the strongest. ray is sidious's daughter confirmed
Kylo stopped a blaster bolt with the force. He took a bowcaster bolt, known to instantly kill/cause large explosions, and kept fighting. The dude is raw power.
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 02:20:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Haven't been, just remembered watching a video cause I had the same reaction as you. Thanks for the insult, I'm sure you're a paragon of society yourself.
Seriously, it's odd how much Kylo and Rey look like Revan and Bastila. The TCW/Rebels team are also big KotOR fans. Then TOR is the only project still officially considered Legends to be ongoing. I really hope they're going to reintegrate KotOR at some point, or at least not contradict it so as to leave the possibility open. And I feel like some statements about KotOR's status have been vague, anyway.
And, if you're playing with the dark side, your bond with her makes it harder for her to resist. This also works the other way, though, so it's easier to redeem her if you're deep into the light.
I so wish they would ditch the "hero with the blue lightsaber" thing that has been in every movie bar RoTJ. Yellow saberstaff Rey would be amazing, and could thematically fit a character that is somewhat in between the light and dark sides.
On top of being yet another Bastila reference. Which is awesome enough on its own.
Fuck man if the next trilogy of Star Wars is some sort of adaptation of the KOTOR storyline then I imagine the entire Star Wars fan base will collectively cream their pants. Myself included.
Part of me believes that they're taking inspiration from Jacen/Jaina in Legends and adapting it to Rey/Kylo via some Force mind wipe shit and go for a twist similar to KOTOR.
Torture? No, dear Bastila, you misunderstand. This is but a taste of the dark side to whet your appitite. When you finally swear loyalty to me, it will be willingly.
sh4mmat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:19:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's pretty much what I was thinking most of the trailer. Classic Bastila conversion. I think either Rey will turn evil, or she will resist and then maybe join forces with Kylo to defeat Snoke.
I have a huge problem with the possibility of Kylo being redeemed. This isn't a path he's been tricked or seduced down. He's clearly chosen it, and strives to maintain it almost despite his nature.
It's entirely possible that Kylo knows exactly everything about Vader and his goal is to balance the force like Vader was supposed to. He may see the only way to achieve this goal is by becoming the most powerful force user so he can eradicate all other force users. It's possible he has had an ulterior motive the whole time and has been the one using Snoke, not the other way around. Or some version of this.
Unless that line doesnโt actually match that scene of his closeup (because his mouth IS covered) what else could โdestinyโ fucking mean especially since his yellow outfit and arm outstretched match the torture part of Rey. Who. The. Fuck. Knows.
Pumped regardless. Honestly more interested in who Snoke is than Reyโs whole deal.
damn good catch, his bad ass gold-ish muddy green cloak
PerogiXW ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:18:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The most likely misdirection would be a force vision thing. She had a vivid one in the last movie and at one point she was in a dark misty cave, and we all know what happens in those.
Good point. Rey's vision was a pretty big source of misdirects in the TFA trailers (Luke kneeling down next to R2 and Kylo in the rain with the Knights of Ren being the main examples).
That would be interesting but I kind've doubt they would go in that direction unless Snoke actually is Plagueis like everyone thinks.
If I remember right Nihilus basically died in the mandalorian wars from the mass shadow generator and the only way he's still alive is through draining the life force of others, including at several points draining entire planets. It might make sense if that's how plagueis would have survived all these years after sidious "killed" him in his sleep given that plagueis was long hailed as this dude who could basically harness life and death because of his absolute power over midichlorians. Would be a really cool nod to the prequels, as bad as they were.
Thanks for the response, what you're saying makes sense. I will read through that link (and probably be up all night reading everything on there haha).
eyeh8u ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:41:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can't say that's him for sure. You can see a mass of gold colored something in the background, which looks like his robes from the shot just before, but that could honestly be anything or anyone.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:42:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
His praetorian guards are in the shot... Next you'll tell me the robotic hand shots are ACTUALLY Anakin's...
Only watching it once and not pouring over it again and again for clues. I wanted to watch it to build hype but I'm not digging deep to try and ruin it for myself.
I mean there's literally a 0% chance you glean any useful information from this. You might make up a theory based on the trailer, and that theory might turn out correct, but that theory was nothing more than a shot in the dark. You won't "know" anything until the movie comes out
Can you be redeemed after helping kill literally billions of people? Edit: Vader was manipulated and then brought to mental submission to the Emperor. Once he realized he was being played it was too late. Not to mention the Emperor made him think the Jedi were the enemy. Ben was just insecure and killed literally billions of innocent civilians. Also we don't know the full story of how he became dark, but Anakin was brought in trying to save Padame, Ben was turned for power possibly.
Edit Edit: I say Vader wasn't redeemed, but Anakin was for breaking Vader's hold in the end..
Edit: I give Vader himself was redeemed and Iโll wait for Kylo.
Poc4e ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 02:47:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep... Good enough for me ยฏ\_(ใ)_/ยฏ
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:58:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would say a better word for that would be acceptance, he didn't do anything to redeem himself he just acknowledged his wrong doings.
NGMajora ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:12:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Next time I will kill less people"- Vader
gotham77 ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 02:42:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I canโt speak for who youโre asking but to me itโs like salvation. Youโre redeemed when you reject evil and turn to good. Thatโs all it takes. Darth Vader redeemed himself at the end of Return of the Jedi. But while โredemptionโ may cleanse his soul it doesnโt necessarily absolve him of guilt. The redeemed Anakin Skywalker, if he hasnโt died on Death Star II, would still have to be put on trial for his Crimes Against Humanity.
Redemption is a personal thing that neither requires nor guarantees forgiveness for ones misdeeds. Ben can be redeemed even if the families of all his victims still are justified in hating him.
We feel he is redeemed because we are watching through Lukes eyes, and Luke sees Anakin redeemed as a father. But to any other character, hes hardly redeemed as a man.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:57:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hmmmm, I thought of it more as other people judging what you've done, and making up for it. I don't think Vader really ever did anything to make up for his misdeeds, save killing the emperor (and then subsequently thousands of soldiers, ruining countless lives...)
I mean, not really. He was practically space Nazi incarnate. So dry your eyes Erik, doesn't erase the things you've done.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:51:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Had Vader survived DS2 the galaxy at large would not have accepted his redemption. He needed to pay for all the atrocities he committed. It wouldn't have been justice otherwise.
TheGRS ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:17:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think Vader was redeemed in Lukes eyes as a father. But not redeemed as a man to the people of the star wars galaxy as a whole. Or to the audience watching from earth.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:16:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Vader was. And he died. I don't think Kylo is redeemable without a similar sacrifice. Otherwise, things might get a little awkward when he goes to apply for a job, you know, when this is all over.
Was Vader redeemed? I mean he literally did what every Sith before him did when he killed his master. You can say he was doing it for his son, or was he just going on a last ditch effort to get Luke to agree to his plans of killing the emperor and ruling the galaxy together?
gotham77 ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 02:33:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
According to Lucas force ghosts were light side only. He thought long and hard about whether or not to allow Revan's ghost to show up in the Clone Wars cartoon and that was the answer he gave the show runner.
dron57 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:26:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sirh lord's force ghosts are tied to holocron artifacts. Slightly different technique.
I always thought the difference was that Sith tied, their will to certain objects. And would manifest themselves that way. Also holograms, Star Wars definitely has holograms.
RendiaX ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:31:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Voldemort was a Sith! He tied himself to the horcruxes with the force.
Dude literally murdererd a bunch of children and then helped kill billions plus the planet they were all living on. I don't know if that is redeemable. I know it was redeemed in the movies but something tells me the idea of him murdering children wasn't in the writing process during RotJ.
There's a cool theory that Kylo Ren isn't really evil, but is Luke's mole trying to get to Snoke. It brings new subtext to all of his interactions in the first movie with Vader's helmet and his dialogue when he kills Han. Basically that him being evil is a front to gain Snoke's trust ala Billy Costigan in The Departed.
It seems pretty clear that he's the main villain in the new trilogy in the same sense that the Emperor was in the original trilogy. So while we as the audience might not care, if Luke knows Snoke is the "real" menace then Luke's priority would probably be taking down Snoke.
fidler ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:33:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And we didnโt even really meet the Emperor until the third movie. Barely in the second movie.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:21:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would be such a cop out.
e5390 ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 02:12:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anakin.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:13:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jar jar
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:16:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When did Kylo kill billions? He might have watched SKB go off, but he didn't give the order.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:40:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He was still complicit in being basically number 2 in the First Order and pushing their agenda.
Vader didn't blow up Alderaan but people blame him for it just the same.
thejawa ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:20:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
RIP EU but Kyp Durron destroyed entire systems and became a very influential Jedi
The idea that Anakin and Vader are separate people is a dark side lie. We see that now with Kylo Ren struggling to shed his feelings for his family in the new trilogy.
You can't splinter your personality. You can only bury it under trauma.
True, but that's what I said. The persona of Anakin was buried beneath impenetrable layers of trauma. Vader was a creation of Anakin's own, conjured in the beginning to project a fearsome persona of inhuman power, and then transformed into a shield to prevent him from having to confront his pain.
They were never separate people. That's an impossibility. As with all people, Anakin was a product of his life experiences. Vader was an invention of his imagination. He would never have existed without Anakin.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:37:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Redemption in the SW Universe (and ideally in life) doesnโt mean being forgiven for all youโve done. It means personally overcoming the evil things youโve done, refusing to let them keep you from committing an act of love or sacrifice
Vader/Anakin doesnโt get a free pass for all the awful shit he did. He just proved that he could overcome the evil he had been a part of. Heโll go down in history as a terrible blight, but he refused to let that fact define his last action
gotham77 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:59:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. He is redeemed...but heโs still guilty of what we would call Crimes Against Humanity. If he hadnโt died, heโd still have to be arrested, tried, and punished for what he did. But if heโs truly redeemed himself, he would plead guilty and accept his punishment.
Ryzc ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:13:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What a silly thing to say lol, Anakin slaughtered his friends and children and attempted to kill his best friend... He did tons of awful things... that's how manipulation works. We don't even know what Ben exactly did, nor how long Snoke was manipulating him. We really know nothing. Outside something happened, he betrayed Luke, and lots of Lukes students died.
Ben was manipulated and then brought to mental submission to Snoke. Once Ben realized he was being played it was too late. Not to mention Snoke made him think the Jedi were the enemy.
bckesso ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:41:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We don't know what turned Ben yet, do we? (Honest question here)
We know Snoke watched him for a long time and probably played on his insecurity from being Vader's grandson. Leia and Han didnโt tell Ben he was Vaderโs grandson. He found out when the rest of the galaxy did when someone wanted to run a smear campaign on Leia.
bckesso ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:20:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh. Is this from one of the books? If so, which one?
To be fair, we don't know what actually caused Ben to turn in the first place. He could have undergone the same type of brain-washing and we just haven't seen it yet.
thesaga ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:34:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with you. Difference between Kylo and Vader is I was immediately on board to get behind Vader once he turned. I dislike Kylo too much. They'd have to work pretty damn hard to get the audience behind him.
That's what I was hoping for from the beginning but I just don't think Disney will let that happen with Rey. They are banking too hard on her being the newest strong female protagonist for every girl to be for Halloween.
I'm inclined to agree with you but everyone loves the dark side. Plus there were lots of boys dressing up as Kylo after seeing him kill Han. Why can't little girls dress up as the bad guy?
Yeah, anyone who thinks the new flagship strong female character is going to legitimately turn evil is deluding themselves. Maybe she has some wavering on whether to go bad or not, but it won't stick.
I think people like Rey because of what a fun and positive female role model she is. She was written and played in a way that didn't pander or preach. From an audience appeal standpoint, making her a villain would be unexpected, but I would expect ultimately rejected.
As often as it's theorized, I believe audiences would have a hard time accepting Kylo as having been redeemed after the trauma of witnessing his committal of patricide on-screen.
It also seems implausible that someone who recognized this murder as making the perpetrator a monster would then side with with them in order to learn.
Especially since Rey already explicitly rejected Kylo's "help" during their lightsaber fight in TFA. It was a powerful moment of her essentially seizing the Force and making it her own. For her to then change her mind and go looking for Kylo's help after all would be awfully regressive.
Especially since Rey already explicitly rejected Kylo's "help" during their lightsaber fight in TFA.
If she feels rejected by Luke, who else would she turn to in order to continue learning about the force? I bet Luke rejects her because he is scared of her, and that makes her remember/change her mind about Kylo's offer.
I think it'd be more likely for her to decide she doesn't need him and can learn more and/or confront Snoke on her own. It fits her personality and history, and it mirrors Luke leaving Dagobah againstโ Yoda's advice.
Mimikyu2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:03:45 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The problem there is that it would contribute to people thinking they did it again by rehashing Empire.
Valestis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:05:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah they really built her up into a "strong female lead." The humor in that fight/chase sequence on Jakku when Finn keeps trying to help her and she doesn't need or want his help.
fidler ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:38:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Vader fucking killed Obi-Wan, as well as half the Jedi order (including many children), imprisoned Leia, threw Han in carbonite and shipped him off to Jabba, and still managed to be redeemed.
Yes. Even ignoring the prequels, he was pretty irredeemable already. I personally found the killing of younglings to be a bridge too far. I completely lost interest in Anakin as a character at that point, and many did. The prequels were poorly planned and executed in my opinion for that very reason. There are psychological and social boundaries that are difficult to un-cross.
It can be argued, and often is, that Vader didn't kill Obi-Wan. Obi-Wan lets Vader hit him. Vader also stomps on his cloak, which means he's checking to see if Obi-Wan is still alive. Yes, perhaps out of a sense of triumph, but also just as likely, distrust and surprise.
Think about this: characters in the Star Wars universe have been completely severed by lightsabers and survived. It's more likely Vader had planned to inflict heavy damage than a killing blow. In line with his character, he would then have the chance to gloat of his superiority: something he constantly did in the prequels (and in Empire Strikes Back - "All too easy!")
Why would Obi-Wan let Vader kill him? Simple: his militant light side ideology informed his need to steer Luke to the "correct" side of the force. Luke's first personal experience with Vader is now one in which he's killed Luke's friend and mentor. Even when Luke does find out who Vader is, it will now be much more difficult for Luke to find the desire to follow in his father's footsteps.
Or, more complicated but still entirely plausible: Obi-Wan finally understood the need for balance. He knew setting Vader up would later cause Luke to question whether militant light-side extremism was truly the answer. What's apparent until the very last appearance of Obi-Wan is that he's been less than forthcoming to Luke through the entirety of their relationship. Indeed, Luke controversially dons traditional Sith garb and uses dark side force abilities to choke Gamorreans at Jabba's palace. Luke is clearly frustrated with Obi-Wan's bullshit by episode VI. We know that the force allows users to see future possibilities. We know that like Qui-Gon, Obi-Wan is a believer in the prophecy of one who will bring balance. We also know that Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon have communicated after Qui-Gon's death. It is therefore not unlikely that between them and Yoda, they too are becoming redeemed by helping steer Luke towards balance and away from blind, militant obedience to self-righteous social justice. Were this the case, Obi-Wan's (pre-meditated) dubious behavior would definitely cause Luke to think more deeply about what was truly right.
It requires observance, with little mental gymnastics to show that Vader could still be redeemed after his final deal with Obi-Wan. However, there is no easy way to redeem Anakin's character after the events of the prequels, a large reason why people dislike them so much.
TL;DR Obi-Wan's death may not have been murder on Vader's part, but pre-meditated on Obi-Wan's in order to spur Luke towards the proper path. Prior to the prequels, this observation made it easier to accept Anakin's redemption.
Edits for clarity and autocorrect bullshit.
fidler ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:31:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The prequels were poorly planned and executed in my opinion for that very reason.
But they happened and are canon and that means you can't just discount them because you personally didn't like them.
Obi-Wan's death may not have been murder on Vader's part
You could also argue the same thing for Han...he knew he had to face Ben and that meant he might be killed by his very own son.
I say just enjoy the stories we get, and don't completely shut out being open to a plot line because it's not how you wish it was written.
you can't just discount them because you personally didn't like them
Uh...yes I can. Plenty of people do. Plenty of people for whatever reason like the prequels, but there are just as many, if not more, who hate them. They're quite polarizing: something canon can't change, much to Disney's chagrin.
he knew he had to face Ben and that meant he might be killed by his very own son
He very well could have, yes. But the look on his face as he was lanced by Kylo's saber seemed to me to reflect the opposite.
Earlier in TFA, Han shows he genuinely believes he can talk his way out of anything. For all the growth he's had as a person, he's always struggled with self-evaluation and overconfidence. Based on his previous actions, it's more likely he genuinely thought he'd change things. But, we really don't know.
just enjoy the stories we get, and don't completely shut out being open to a plot line because it's not how you wish it was written
People didn't hate the prequels because they were disappointed. They hated the prequels because the prequels were disjointed. They didn't work well with the previous stories we'd been told. You can (and I do) very easily ignore everything that happens before ANH and still love and enjoy Star Wars.
And that's the problem. If you can totally wipe out the prequels and still have a fantastic story, that means that nothing that happened in the prequels even fucking matters. They were a meaningless waste. If they had been written in a way they felt cohesive and critical to the universe and story, it would be difficult to write them off. Hell, even Rogue One, Clone Wars, and Rebels are great replacements for the prequels. So, my Star Wars experience is fantastically complete without the prequel movies. (Which, we never got to see because George Lucas died of the brain cancers, God rest 'im.)
fidler ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:21:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you can't just discount them because you personally didn't like them
Yes I can LOL
And I do. I'm not alone either. People have made documentaries about how much they hate the prequels. Docu-fuckin'-mentaries. Music. TV. Written word. All on how shitty the prequels are. They're so mis-aligned it's quite easy to pretend they never happened. The only reason people accept them at all is positive campaigns on Disney's part along with people being willing to accept defeat. I don't have to. Never will so long as I live, so help me. That's me. If you like them, great. That's good for you. I get it: they have meaning for you. That's fine. I can accept that. But I'm completely and totally allowed to have my opinion just as you are.
fidler ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:50:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, dude, I'm saying you can't ignore accounting for what Anakin did in the prequels just because you didn't like it. You said you were ignoring the prequels because they were "poorly planned". Actions in those movies are still part of the character.
Even ignoring the prequels, he was pretty irredeemable already. I personally found the killing of younglings to be a bridge too far. I completely lost interest in Anakin as a character at that point, and many did. The prequels were poorly planned and executed in my opinion for that very reason. There are psychological and social boundaries that are difficult to un-cross.
You even state that killing the kids was a "psychological and social boundaries that are difficult to un-cross"...therefore that makes it even less ridiculous that we could see Kylo 'redeem' himself just for killing pops.
You even state that killing the kids was a "psychological and social boundaries that are difficult to un-cross"...therefore that makes it even less ridiculous that we could see Kylo 'redeem' himself just for killing pops.
Can you clarify what you mean there? I'm not sure I understand what you're saying.
you can't ignore accounting for what Anakin did in the prequels just because you didn't like it.
I'm not even talking about ignoring it because I didn't like it. I'm talking about audience appeal from a psychological standpoint. And it's not as if I'm the only person in the universe who hated the prequels. Far from it. And this is why. The character the prequels center around isn't a likable character in the least.
therefore that makes it even less ridiculous that we could see Kylo 'redeem' himself just for killing pops.
I'm not sure how, if people have a difficult time accepting Anakin's redemption because of his actions Kylo's would somehow be less difficult to accept? Yes, they happened, but somehow people on this subreddit seem to think that means we need to like and accept it. No. No, it doesn't.
And that's exactly what I'm talking about: the difficulty many people had, and do have, in accepting someone has suddenly been redeemed after having been a complete, massive dickhole. Can it happen? Sure. But the psychology presents a large and difficult barrier to audiences.
fidler ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:14:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think you're just more worried about the underpinnings of the story being perfectly balanced and the 'psychology of the audience' than finding entertainment in them. I have issues with the prequels too, but acting like they were objectively impossible to enjoy or understand just sounds like not much fun.
I just try to enjoy the stories, especially when we haven't even seen the second movie of the trilogy yet
As often as it's theorized, I believe audiences would have a hard time accepting Kylo as having been redeemed after the trauma of witnessing his committal of patricide on-screen.
That just means it's a challenge, and the payoff will be that much greater when he's redeemed. Anyone can redeem a villain who never did anything that bad. Nobody will expect to ever see the guy who killed his father as a hero, and that fact is what makes it worth doing.
It can be done, but it's difficult. Very. And polarizing. Disney isn't likely to take such a complex risk. One of the reasons the prequels were/are so maligned was Anakin's story arc. I don't know anyone who thinks someone can be redeemed after killing children. Or family for that matter (in Kylo's case). Killing your father is the ultimate act of betrayal.
Psychologically, if it could be proven that Han Solo was an abusive or bad father, people might buy it. But this takes time to explain in sufficient detail that would allow audiences to accept the explanation. It also goes completely against any and all of his character development in IV, V and VI. Han also shows concern for his son. The kind a poor father isn't likely to have.
So yes, it can be done. But it's risky. And at this point, likely too risky.
I don't think Disney cares. They seem content to allow Lucas Films to run themselves, creatively at least, as long as they continue to rake in the cash.
One of the reasons the prequels were/are so maligned was Anakin's story arc.
That's because he was an awfully written character, even before turning. And in the end, Revenge of the Sith ended up being the best of the prequels specifically because of Anakin's arc.
I don't know anyone who thinks someone can be redeemed after killing children.
Plenty of people in this thread have argued that Vader was redeemed. (I actually disagree with that, but because Vader's actions were born out of a selfish desire to save his son rather than to help the Galaxy, not because his past actions made him irredeemable. He did the right thing, but for the wrong reasons.) Jaime Lannister's first action in Game of Thrones was pushing a child out the window, now he's a fan favorite.
Psychologically, if it could be proven that Han Solo was an abusive or bad father, people might buy it.
That would be an easy way, I suppose.
The more interesting would be to build on what we already known about the character. Snoke is essentially a cult leader. Kylo is brainwashed into believing the Dark Side is the correct path, even as his heart pulls him to the Light. He killed Han out of zealotry, believing that by doing so, he would be curing what was "wrong" with himself. But it didn't work. And now, he sees his father's face everywhere. The loving eyes pleading for him to come home, the look of betrayal as the saber stabs into him. He sees it in his nightmares when he's sound asleep. He sees it when he stares into the infinite black abyss of space.
And no matter how much he wants to, he can never take back what he's done.
This is where Kylo Ren should begin in Episode VIII. Broken. Haunted. Driving down a road that he chose for himself, but is no longer sure he wants to be on. And yet, he can't change it, can't go back and make things better. He has to go forward, knowing that he has the blood of the one man who loved him unconditionally on his hands.
Now he's coming to a fork. One path leads to the Darkness, to being the heir to the First Order. The other path leads to the Light. Down this path, Ben will never be forgiven for what he's done, not even by himself. But he can still do his best to right his wrongs, to be the man his Han would have wanted him to be. All he needs is a nudge, A final push to finish shattering his faith in Snoke, The First Order, and the Dark Side itself.
They seem content to allow Lucas films to run themselves
Firing directors for the Han Solo movie, episode IX, and re-shooting Rogue One is hardly "hands-off". They're watching Star Wars like a controlling mother hawk.
And while the story can be written, and written well, what I'm talking about is acceptance by the audience on a psychological level. Most humans ascribe to a social justice system which outlaws murder. Many humans also participate in a religious system which condemns murder.
I'll be honest, I find it disturbing that there are fans who believe someone can magically become a better person after killing their father, or a large group of children. That doesn't at all reflect reality. And people know it. People simply aren't going to willingly buy that someone suddenly changes from a murderer to a nice guy because they found their morals. There's a reason murderers spend the rest of their lives in a prison cell.
Go watch some documentaries on famous murderers. Some have remorse, but some would do it again given the chance. And some fear what would happen if they were to go free.
Further, comparisons to Game of Thrones is a bit of apples to oranges: the target audiences are vastly different. I personally find Game of Thrones to be medieval violence and porn wrapped in a thin story where everyone dies. It's not for everyone. Star Wars has a large target audience that includes children.
Ultimately, you can't give back the life you take. There's no "fixing" a murder.
I will agree with Snoke being a cult leader, even using his own force abilities to exert control over Kylo. In that regard, Kylo was young and had been taken advantage of, much in the same way many children are groomed by a perv. Kids are convinced to do horrible things by their evil, controlling captors. So you're right: it's not too late to redeem Kylo.
I really don't think they do have the balls, that's what I've been trying to get at with my wordy tirades. It could be done, but it's hard to pull off in a way you don't piss people off IMO
Is she fun and positive though? So far she's been incredibly powerful with absolutely no training, beating a Skywalker in both the Force and lightsaber combat. But to top it all off, she's just boring.
Honestly, when watching the trailer, I couldn't even remember her name. Fin is fun, Poe is fun, Kylo Ren is actually fun to watch on screen, but I couldn't care less about Rey.
Really? I'm not trying to be rude, I'm genuinely shocked you haven't heard this before.
After the movie came out, the internet kind of went nuts. People like Max Landis and some movie youtubers called Rey a boring Mary Sue and everyone responded with they're misogynist. Landis spent weeks trying to get the hate to stop. He's pretty known for being progressive but when he called Rey a Mary Sue, you would've thought he was literally beating women on the streets for fun.
I'm not a huge fan of the modern social justice scene, don't get me wrong. I am a big fan of empowering women. I realized just how important a character Rey was when I heard women get excited about her character. Women who, by their own admission didn't really like Star War before Rey. So, my experience (as yours is) is anecdotal. I can certainly appreciate that this all boils down to opinion.
I didn't mean to imply that I thought you were being sexist by your dislike of the character. In fact, I'm old and tired and forgot what the fuck my point was LOL
No hard feelings at all though, I'm an overzealous Star Wars nerd who might succeed in life if I had as much passion about everything else as I do Star Wars LOL
No harm done, friend. Nowadays, considering views I have and that I'm on Reddit, I feel the need to preface controversial ideas with something like "we just have differences in opinions; I'm not evil or full of hate."
It's sad that people think an opinion makes someone evil or hateful, isn't it. I'm betting most everyone here can agree that Star War is a nice break from the real world.
TOTALLY talking to Rey. Ren will return to the light. He can't kill his mother. You see it in his eyes in his ship. That's why he crushes his helmet. Snoke has abandoned him for Rey by the time the "special" pitch is being made. It's concluded with "Fulfill your destiny" while Snoke is torturing her in last frame.
Este-ban ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:08:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tehcuda ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:29:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rey Palpatine
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:22:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The way they do a hard cut from Kylo to Rey right at the end of that line definitely makes me think this is right.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:22:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, because Kylo doesn't seem like the kind of guy to be "found." He was the son of Han and Leia. Rey, on the other hand, came out of nowhere, so it makes sense he would seek out her powers.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:00:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is my take. What if snoke is sending force sensitive kids to remote planets to make them suffer and easy to convert to the dark side
Yeah, but maybe Snoke found Rey when she was really young. Maybe she left him deformed? Then she was taken away and Snoke tapped Kylo many years later.
I always thought it was weird how Kylo reacted to the knowledge of a girl with BB-8 in TFA. โWHAT GIRL?!โ Maybe Snoke told him about this remarkable girl he found and maybe Kylo thought this was her, thought he could teach her, so they both could fight Snoke?
dbjob ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:54:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe it was the power of love all along that saved Rey and left Snoke weak and deformed.
He had to go in hiding after missing his assassination attempt on Rey. He was too weak to fight back but now he got his power back and is ready to adava kadavra Rey.
Sounds more like Palpatine taking to Gallus, but that makes zero sense. But the word "found" is interesting. It means he didn't seek out Snoke during Kylo's quest for power.
Snoke is seen wearing gold clothing of some kind and then in that scene where Rey is getting tortured or some shit thereโs somebody in the background wearing a gold dress, prolly Snoke force-waterboarding her.
Why do people say this? How was the Force Awakens trailer a misdirect in any way other than Finn holding a saber?
Whatah ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:06:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That was pretty big though. The first batch of toys also tried to hide that fact by not packaging Rey with any lightsabers
ksb012 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:47:00 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eh. Revenge of the Sith pretty much told the whole plot in the trailer. But we all knew what was going to happen anyway, so it might not have been as obvious to someone who hasnโt seen Star Wars
Rian kinda gave a warning though to not watch the trailer if you wanna know nothing. Not that that definitively means anything, but it's something to consider.
I would not be ready to root for Kylo if he comes a good guy within one film though. Dude literally just killed fucking Han Solo.
my interpretation of that warning was that we know some, so now we can start formulating ideas for what we think's going to happen over the next two months, rather than diving in headfirst and blind, with nothing to go off of.
and yeah, it'd take some legwork for me to come back around on Kylo.
Hopefully that's so. I hate it when movies show 90% of the plot in the trailers.
hMJem ยท 348 points ยท Posted at 02:07:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, clearly Luke is NOT talking about Rey when he mentions that power that now scares him.
Kylo killing Leia I could see though.
[deleted] ยท 493 points ยท Posted at 02:13:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's perfectly logical to assume when he says he's seen this power before, he is saying Rey has the power Kylo does. Rey and Kylo seem to be intertwined.
axxell101 ยท 323 points ยท Posted at 02:24:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think hes referring to Vader. Think about it. He was never afraid of Vader, said as much to Yoda, and what did Yoda tell him? "You will be. You will be". It makes sense that seeing his father's raw power in another, now that he's older and wiser in the force, would scare him. Especially with his failure as a Master.
NK1337 ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 03:05:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, I think it ties back to the theory that Luke trained Kylo at first and then Kylo went out of control which is what led Luke to blame himself and go into exile.
It seems to fit with his statement of "I've seen this raw strength only once before. It couldn't scare me enough then. It does now," is a reference to the regret he feels over his part in guiding Kylo and nurturing his gift.
What made you think that? Besides that itโs mentioned a few times in TFA how powerful he is, heโs part Skywalker. He has a huge connection to the Force.
I'm probably wrong, I just got the vibe that he was nowhere near as powerful as Vader or Luke. At least dark side powerful. Maybe he's super light side powerful? Idk
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 13:47:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Untrained/inexperienced, sure. But he caught a blaster bolt like it was nothing.
Dude's definitely got raw power.
cdegallo ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 03:41:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know, he freezes blaster bolts mid air. Darth Vader only blocked them with his hands..
Limuni13 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 09:44:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He actually froze and redirected it in Rogue One
cdegallo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:57:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo is a skywalker even in the fucked up canon skywalkers are gifted in the force. Leia who isnt even trained in this universe is able to feel the deaths of people closest to her and thats a skill we've only seen trained jedi use like Luke, Obi-Wan and Yoda
Eh, I think it ties back to the theory that Luke trained Kylo at first and then Kylo went out of control which is what led Luke to blame himself and go into exile.
"Theory"? Didn't they outright tell us this was what happened?
rhar323 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 02:58:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I immediately thought of the scene with Yoda when all I could think about his how afraid Luke looks. He was confident against Sidious. Doesn't look to be so here (from the given cuts)
I think it's because it's more personal now. From his actions and reactions in the trailer, he seems kind of like a broken man, and seeing that scale of power again, after he's failed and indirectly caused huge tragedies because of it, with a less powerful Padawan in Kylo, terrifies him. Sidious was never a source of fear for him, because Sidious was never good in Luke's eyes. And now that's he's failed once, in the worst possible way, he's reminded of Yoda's failure with Dooku, And Obi-Wan's failure with Anakin, and the fact that someone as powerful as his father wants to train under him, has shaken him to his core.
Vaspir ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:42:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's going to be a massive cop out if Rey is as powerful as Vader.
gyutop ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 02:36:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It could imply that Rey is Anakin 2.0 aka a Force experiment done by some bad guys to make a powerful Force user. I'm still not sure he means Vader though. This movie is gonna be insane.
I think the story is that Darth Plagueis had such mastery over the Force and the Dark Side he could control the energy of life itself. He could make himself live forever and bring others back from death. The story goes he manipulated the midichlorians to create a being that was the strongest Force user for a long time. This ties back in to how Anakin apparently doesn't have a father, his mother just got pregnant one day from the Force itself which sounds like the power Plagueis is said to have had.
Xonadras ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:37:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe this is only partially right, the force rebels against pelagius and creates a being to bring balance to the force which was Anakin. At that time there were 100s of Jedi and 2 sith. By the beginning of episode 4 there are 3 known Jedi and 2 sith. By the end of Episode 6 we have a redeemed dead Anakin, a dead sidious and Luke who is arguably a grey Jedi. Hence the balance.
How is Luke arguably a 'grey' Jedi? He brings Vader back to the light and redeems him.
Xonadras ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:41:14 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke is arguably a grey Jedi because he still uses his emotion. He gets angry, he choked out a gamorrean guard, episode 6. As I said arguably a grey knight.
How can a grey knight bring someone back to the light? He's a Jedi like his father before him, he literally says it.
Xonadras ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:30:01 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I said grey Jedi, he still follows some of the teachings of the Jedi but still realizes the importance of emotions. He even considers joining vader and the emperor and giving in to the dark side, ultimately he doesn't but uses his anger during the final showdown. I fail to see why him being a grey Jedi, would have any difference in Anakins redemption.
Luke never saw or knew of Vader's raw power though. He says he wasn't afraid of it then, but he is now. He's talking about training Kylo. He saw Ben Solo's raw power, but didn't fear it, instead continuing to train him. Ben became Kylo Ren and destroyed Luke's order. So, now that he sees that raw power in Rey, he fears it and doesn't want to train her. It kinda mirrors the Jedi not wanting to train Anakin because they saw him as dangerous.
TJGM ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 03:33:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Could be. But when he says that he wasn't afraid of that type of power then, it changes to a shot of him pushing himself out of collapsed wood and then shows his temple burning after Kylo supposedly destroyed it.
He wasn't afraid of Kylo's power then, because he didn't realise how much devastation it could cause. But now that he's seeing it again, in another person, he's refusing to train them because last time he did, it backfired on him.
Either way, it's super interesting. I really cannot wait for this movie.
You and me both. I'm so excited. Also, if you want my more in depth reasons as to why I instantly thought Vader, theres a reply here somewhere, about the Jedi Orders history of failing with fringe cases, and how that might personally effect his state of mind, what with his failure of Kylo. I dunno, at this point, maybe I should get a psychology degree, lol.
I think the line Luke says about "not being scared before" is referencing training Kylo. He's more likely to talk about that than explain stuff we already know about Vader.
Wafzig ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:19:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the first time he saw it was the Emperor. He wasn't afraid of the Emperor in RoTJ, quite cocky in fact. Then he got lightning to the face.
This could be the first time he's seeing Emperor type powers in 30+ years.
That's what I thought at first, and maybe my gut reaction there is correct, but as I watched it more, Vader seemed more plausible, considering Luke's personal failures as a Master, and the Jedi's failure as a whole since Dooku, and then Anakin. It seems like he's more terrified of him failing to train that power, than he actually is of the memory of it.
The whole point of Luke's exile is that he blames himself for Ben turning to the dark side and killing the other students. He wasn't cautious enough with Ben, and he doesn't want to repeat that mistake with Rey.
ronan125 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:59:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Canonically, no. Maybe in a couple of the old books, but no one has ever had more raw power than Anakin. Yes, Vader was broken, and the fact that he had so many organs and limbs lost seriously reduced his midi-chlorian count, but even then he was still on par with Luke, up until Luke used his anger to beat him. The Dark Side is quick power, and Luke used that to win, but before he struck his father down, renounced that power, and Declared himself Jedi. From what I gather from Legends, the Knight Trials were about coming face to face with that seductive power and refusing it.
ronan125 ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 03:13:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's canon. George Lucas himself said it long back that Luke Skywalker is the most powerful force user to ever exist.
I hope they won't just forget that. Hate it when a series forgets stuff like that. Like in the Enders game book series Ender is the ultimate, then the author wanted to write a spin off series so he made a minor character who Ender knew out as better than him
He may be the most powerful Force user, but he doesn't have the most raw power. If you'll remember, Jedi don't get power from the Force, the force merely use them as conduits to It's Will. I think Anakin had more raw strength in Force manipulation, but Luke is more in touch with the Living and Unifying Force as a whole, thereby making him technically more powerful overall, but not in terms of raw ability
ronan125 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 03:23:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No but Lucas confirmed that he inherited that from Anakin. Whatever ultra high midchlorian count Anakin had, Luke got too and he used it well.
What I don't like is that movies tend to show the new person as more powerful than the mentor. That's fine but don't do it by going against earlier established things
Oh yeah I'm not disputing that. Just as far as raw talent and power goes, Anakin had more. I think it probably seems skewed too, because Anakin always had a predisposition for Battle Arts, and Lightsaber combat, whereas Luke seems more like a Meditator, than a fighter. Its a case of Brute Strength vs Finesse, and I was only commenting on the raw power part, not experience or mindful connection to the Force
ronan125 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:31:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If they have the same midchlorian count they should be equally powerful, although lightsabre skills can vary.
But I really hope they show Luke's power in this. Don't make a SKYWALKER just some grumpy teacher who stays in the background. Rooting for a scene like when Dumbledore faced off against Voldemort
That's why I said it might be skewed, as Anakin/Vader always seemed more powerful in the traditional, martial sense of the word. You're probably right. But yeah, if they do wanna make him into the old hermit teacher, I feel like grizzled veteran would be the way to go, not grumpy scared of failing again hermit.
ronan125 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:39:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anakin was trained from childhood so it makes sense that he ll be more skilled with a sabre. Given Luke's more balanced, wiser personality what I want to see from him is pure raw force power. Like move ships and mountains and shit. Show some inner peace
Maybe. I've go more in depth in another post below this one, as a reply, but that's just what I gathered from it, and just tracing his personal family history with these things
I'm not sure. In the Legends Canon, yes he did. But now, I don't know, as I haven't read any of the new stuff. My second instinct would be Sidious, but im just not sure.
I think heโs talking about Kylo. He didnโt fear his power the way Yoda would. He wasnโt cautious enough. This time when he recognizes it he knows itโs dangerous and it scares him because of what happened.
That said, I do think it would also make sense that heโs referring to Vader, I just think itโs more likely about Kylo.
WolvoMS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:09:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if he's referring to Snoke? Maybe Snoke is another failed apprentice
I'm thinking more along the Yin Yang lines. They are both extremely powerful and dangerous alone, but Rey will find the balance that the Jedi couldn't.
kylo_hen ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 02:18:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't know that. That's excellent news. I felt like TFA did a good job of paying homage to the original trilogy, but was afraid they'd lean too heavily on the old tropes.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:22:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No way, Kylo killed his entire school of Jedi and whipped his ass. How would he not be scared then, but now scared when someone he is teaching uses the power?
I think he was referencing his father and how he faced him calmly in EP6. And now it seems Rey has the same power of his father. That scares him because he knows what could happen to Rey if she turns out like Anakin.
[deleted] ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 02:25:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, he is referencing how he was training Kylo and how Kylo had immense power. He wasn't scared by it then, until he killed everyone... I thought about the Vader/Emperor/Anakin route, but Rey/Kylo parallels seem too big to ignore.
It might also be necessary. Whatever plans they might have had for Leia in Episode 9, those are off the table. I think they likely did some substantial tweaking to give her an on-screen send-off as best they could, rather than having her go through all of Episode 8 and die offscreen before 9.
redworm ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:25:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or maybe it was in the script from the beginning. Maybe not but I'd like to think so.
I think he was talking to Rey. I think the power he saw before was likely Kylo, who destroyed Luke's Jedi temple. Now he's petrified of Rey, who has a similar level of ability in the force, if not more.
I think he was only because she shows this raw power that cracks the ground. I think he's saying he wasn't afraid of kylo ren power, and that's what he did wrong. He's seen what happens when someone has that much raw power
Do you think they will kill Leia after what happened last year? It could sound disrespectful to kill the character.
07jonesj ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:36:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd argue the opposite, it would be disrespectful to the badass Carrie Fisher helped create for Leia to retire or anything like that. There's no other way to remove the character from the story, Leia is seeing this war through to the end.
spoiler: [spoiler]After Carrie's death they said she will die upon a spaceship so ppl won't have to speculate considering the tragedy.[/spoiler]
Theory: Kylo's scar is a good time indicator here -Black Band Aid =Earlie in the Movie. He shoots the ship his mother is on, Poe sees this from another ship and says his part.
Maybe heโs talking about Snoak. Maybe Luke sends Rey to Kylo โundercoverโ to get to Snoak. Kylo already wanted to help Rey learn the Force, heโd totally fall for it if she walked up to him and said sheโs game.
I think it's a pretty clear reference to Kylo... or pulling shot Vader. They cut to a shot of what we can only assume is Luke's Jedi Academyโข burning to the ground, following a shot of his robot hand bursting through the flaming wood.
I think it's a pretty clear reference to Kylo... or pulling shot Vader. They cut to a shot of what we can only assume is Luke's Jedi Academyโข burning to the ground, following a shot of his robot hand bursting through the flaming wood.
mychllr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:44:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Leia has to die since Carrie Fisher isn't around to film Leia scenes anymore :'(
OMG!! this theory just popped into my head so tell me if it holds any water or if my water just broke. Kylo attacks Leias platoon and as hes killing everyone. He comes to his mothers ship. Stops. That shot of him reaching out is him trying to save his mom. He then goes to find Luke when he tries to redeem himself. Thats when Luke says that power line and it's time for the jedi to end.
Finn goes on a scavenger hunt for information, maybe inside men on the first order, finds some with Rose. Pretends to be captured like Chewey and his plucky band of lovable rogues plant explosives in the base. Him and phasma throw down.
Rey follows Lukes journey in Empire but this time at the end gets caught and brain washed by snoke.
Next movie Rey and Kylo switch good guy/bad guy positions
I think it's a pretty clear reference to Kylo... or pulling shot Vader. They cut to a shot of what we can only assume is Luke's Jedi Academyโข burning to the ground, following a shot of his robot hand bursting through the flaming wood.
I think it's a pretty clear reference to Kylo... or pulling shot Vader. They cut to a shot of what we can only assume is Luke's Jedi Academyโข burning to the ground, following a shot of his robot hand bursting through the flaming wood.
[deleted] ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 02:07:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The opening scene is Rey dreaming that entire trailer.
teaming up to take out their mean old bald uncle or whatever
TOGHeinz ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:10:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea, I'm assuming that very last sequence with Rey/Ren are mashed together, fueling the 'Will Rey turn dark?!' theories. Backgrounds are very different between each of their shots though.
The moment between Rey and Kylo Ren in the end is clearly two scenes different. First, the background is off. Also while Kylo's injury is clearly healed, Rey is still wearing her old TFA outfit. It doesn't make sense.
I mean that could mean anything. Like, if I know something minor technically Iโm not coming in clean. The only spoilery things to me were !!!!!!spoilers past here!!!!!. Finn isnโt in cryo the whole movie (kind of a given) and Rey meets snoke (also, kind of a given, if not in this one it would have been in 9). We know nothing about the context of any of the scenes.
The perfect trailer though! Just enough information to get us hyped and nothing more. I still donโt know anything about this movie and Iโm so glad!
JakeM917 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:26:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I definitely think that convo at the end was Rey and Luke and that shot was her in the cave. She was wearing her outfit from the end of TFA and we know she gets a new costume during her Jedi training.
Rey was talking to Luke after fighting off the knights of REN. Thatโs probably where he agrees to train her after initially refusing. Gonna call it... Kylo scene was much later in the movie and he was probably reaching out to Luke or Leia...
Serule ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:47:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
right... i think luke was talking about snoke and palpatine... i think snoke was talking about rey...
That is what I was thinking the whole time. But for example, we see Leia and then Kylo getting ready to fire at a ship. My first thought is this must be misdirection, but it is clear Leia is on that ship and we can see her ship in Kylo's targeting computer. He is aiming right for the bridge.
So maybe they expect us to think this is misdirection, when this may be more brutal than we're prepared for.
Yeah I really hope Kylo ends up going back to being on the light side and Rey turns dark. The change would be a great twist, which if it is anything like ESB there needs to be a great twist here
"Palpatine sent a couple of cats over to his place. They took him out onto the patio, threw his ass out the window; he fell three-hundred stories. He had a little garden down at the bottom, closed-in glass, like a green house? He fell through that. Since then, he's sort of developed a skin condition."
5in1K ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 10:22:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 05:51:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's a few videos going into it. If he's anyone from the previous films I think I can buy that theory the easiest.
[deleted] ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 07:24:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair there's a few videos on any theory, how shitty they may be. Motivation: easy clicks. Just talk into a mic, show some fanart, read some lore and that's it.
nxqv ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 08:55:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why? He's more likely to be Jar-Jar than Mace Windu...
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 11:55:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mesa deformed by the darksey side. -Snoke.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:11:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The guy went into some detail about it. It was intriguing
ravens52 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 12:43:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What are the chances that Palpatine figured out Plagueis's secret to everlasting life and transferred his essence into the shell of another being? Kind of like in the EU comic where Luke goes to the dark side.
To be serious, I think the chances are incredibly minuscule.
ravens52 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:11:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know. It is very slim just because I don't think the writers want to revisit that idea, but with all of Palpatine's side projects you would think he would have been working on it at the very least. That man could see into the future.
Are all of those side projects still canon? I remember the old E.U. had a ton of stuff that Palpatine worked on in secret, supposedly in preparation for the Yuuzhan Vong invasion that he foresaw.
ravens52 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:12:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I doubt it. I feel like Disney hasn't explicitly said what is and what isn't canon just so they have some wiggle room. Ultimately, I think they declared almost everything non-canon so they didn't have to bridge gaps and go back to make sure everything made sense and that nothing had holes as far as the plots go.
Yea that makes sense. The Old E.U. had so much material it would be near impossible to write new stories without conflicting with what is already there. A shame really, so much great content.
ravens52 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:39:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget about the bad....
nokstar ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:05:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you telling me that storm trooper zombie outbreaks wasn't good material? /s
ravens52 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:15:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, that has it's own niche for people that are into zombies. It certainly is better than a lot of the stuff. And I'm just going on the idea alone. I haven't read any of the zombie star wars stuff, so for all I know it could be terrible.
nokstar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:20:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I read a lot of the EU books and in my opinion that book was an abomination. Terrible plot, characters, everything. Should have never been published imo.
ravens52 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:51:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh my. I guess they need a beta for books lol
sabasNL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:24:46 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There have been much worse additions to the EU. Like all extradimensional/extragalactic visitors/invaders, with the sole exception being the Yuuzhan Vong.
I didn't like most of the EU material added by the older videogames either. The Dark Trooper project (especially Phase I and II) makes zero sense in the lore, and was nothing more than a loose story to bind some gameplay elements together.
On the other hand, I really like the Old Republic, the post-GC Imperial warlords and reborn Palpatine.
Does anybody in this universe know who she is? I'm sure she would have been erased from history. I know in the old EU Luke had no idea who his mother was.
What Luke hand thing? There is too much going on in this thread, can't tell joke from speculation, I want to speculate and talk but also think I am getting drawn into a joke. Does snoke joke?
Luke,s hand was shown in the trailer, looking all robotic-y. You donโt show things in the trailer that carry no meaning.
His hand and losing are huge parts of the original trilogy, it connects him with his father in a new way, makes him see himself giving into the dark side, and pulls him back (Jedi, throne room, when he cuts his father,s hand off and then sees the wires and looks at his hand.)
They showed it in the trilogy, and the Timothy Zahn novels used the lost hand to great effect.
โShow, don't tell,โ and they showed it. Also, Kylo's face reconstruction is artificial, theyโre drawing lots of parallels.
derpyco ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 03:39:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Awwwww shit that's what it is.
Bexirt ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 06:32:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snoke is Jar Jar Binks
Mesa called Jar Jar Binks, mesa your humble servant!
Ex-squeeze me, but the mostest safest place would be Gunga City. 'Tis where I grew up. 'Tis a hidden city.
Palpatine cloned Anakin and that's who Rey is, actually. So there'll be a line where she tells Luke "I am your father"
Edit: This is partially a shitpost and partially a theory that I legitimately have. I think she really looks like child Anakin (and to a lesser extent adult Anakin). Here's my half-baked stupid theory:
In the Death Star era, the Emperor is getting antsy and worried that Vader is going to die- Vader is a super useful part of the empire, and he doesn't want to lose that power. And we know clone technology is great at this point, so why wouldn't he clone Vader?
He puts this clone on a far-off planet to incubate or whatever. Then all the shit goes down with the Death Star II explosion, etc. Palpatine, Vader die. Luke uses his finely honed force skills to feel that there's another Skywalker in the galaxy. He tracks this person to whatever far-off planet the clone incubation was happening on. The cloning process was somehow interrupted partway through, so it got fucked up somehow. The clone is female instead of male, but Luke doesn't realize she has Anakin's DNA. OR maybe he does, who cares?
In an arc that hearkens back to Qui-gon's decision to train Anakin, Luke has to decide, though he senses danger in Rey, to train her as a Jedi anyway. But she goes berserk and destroys his school- yeah! It was her! Not Kylo Ren! But he can't bring himself to kill her or anything, so he force-wipes her memory and puts her on Jakku.
This explains why she can fly really well without any formal training (hint: Who else could do that?), why she's so strong with the force, and why the lightsaber calls to her.
Now, will there actually be a "I am your father" line? First of all, no, because this theory is definitely wrong. But maybe! It would be played for laughs, obviously, or she would start to say it and he would cut her off or something like that.
[deleted] ยท 234 points ยท Posted at 02:48:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Screams "Nooooooo!"That's Impossible" and runs over to the edge of the cliff they're training by and just falls off backwards but instead of being sucked into a tube slide he hits a rock and splits in two which is another nod (this time to Maul), but this time you see spine and intestines. Which is a nod to the Tonton.
I love this, but I'm curious why anyone would try to clone Luke.
heyf00L ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 03:43:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because he's powerful and they (whoever they are) had the opportunity. I never read the old Expanded Universe, but I know the new trilogy is taking certain ideas from it, and it had a cloned-Luke in it.
Edit: just came back to mention that whoever got the lightsaber also could have gotten the hand but it's already been pointed out. They make a Luke-clone, put her on a Tatooine-clone to simulate a similar upbringing, hide something on Tatooine-clone that the Empire-clone will want (map to Luke, I mean that can't be a coincidence), hide the OG-lightsaber knowing the force will guide the Luke-clone to it eventually, and from there they can send her out to destroy the Empire-clone. Something like that.
I'm with you. The hand could have been recovered on Bespin with the blue lightsaber (Anakin's). Lando could have easily sent of the hand for cloning as a plan B if the rebels failed to take down Death Star II.
It could explain the line about 'not scaring him then but scares him now'. Luke wasn't afraid of his own power when he learned of it, but he later realizes the destruction the dark side of the force can cause during his temptation.
The accent theory is kinda understandable when you think about Jango Fett having a vaguely British/Scottish/Australian accent and all of the clones having the accent too. So why wouldn't Kenobi Jr. have the same?
However, I think you can hand wave the accent idea away if you suppose that the accent comes from being around other (cloned or not) humans with the amalgam of vaguely British accents. Rey could have simply picked up the accent from being around other Imperial planet-dwelling humans on an Imperial world. Jakku is fairly close to the core worlds (mostly Imperial), compared to other planets.
Dantooine was an empire planet, which had British accents. Other non-empire planets, like Tatooine or Corellia (post-galactic senate) had more American accents. Of course, this could all be speculation and bullshit.
In general, it seems like the closer you get to the Core, the more British your accent is, while the further out towards the Rim, the more American. Obviously, there's plenty of exceptions, but that seems to be the general rule.
oveloel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:25:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If Jango had an accent, of course his clones would too
My theory wasn't really a legit rebuttal of that idea. I think he actually does look a ton like Palpatine to the degree where I'm surprised that they showed that in a trailer
I think we have to take it on faith that Anakin had a full set of chromosomes.
[deleted] ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 03:55:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke also has no Y chromosome. He and Leia are actually identical twins but it turns out Blue Milk secretly contains a powerful growth hormone thanks to Tatooine's lax regulations on food imports.
In physical cosmology, assuming that nature is described by a Grand unification theory, the grand unification epoch was the period in the evolution of the early universe following the Planck epoch, starting at about 10โ43 seconds after the Big Bang, in which the temperature of the universe was comparable to the characteristic temperatures of grand unified theories. If the grand unification energy is taken to be 1015 GeV, this corresponds to temperatures higher than 1027 K. During this period, three of the four fundamental interactionsโelectromagnetism, the strong interaction, and the weak interactionโwere unified as the electronuclear force. Gravity had separated from the electronuclear force at the end of the Planck era. During the grand unification epoch, physical characteristics such as mass, charge, flavour and colour charge were meaningless.
The more I think about it, the more I think this has to be true. Kylo can't be the one who destroyed the school. If he were, they would've said it. They left it far too open. I think it's sort of like the rule that on TV if you didn't see a body, the person's going to come back to life. If we didn't actually get confirmation that he was the one who did it, they're going to do a plot twist.
That... makes almost too much sense. Thank you for posting this, it was definitely a great reading.
panaja17 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:21:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you want to kick up the crazy conspiracy up a notch, you could make it Vader sensed force ability in Leia when she was a prisoner on the Death Star and took a DNA sample while he was torturing her for information to make another force sensitive apprentice to team up with him to overthrow Palpatine. Then he found Luke and focused on turning him instead because he was powerful and would be able to overthrow the Emperor faster. Then some stuff happened and Rey ended up on Jakku.
Haha thanks, I've been drunkenly ranting it to people in hopes that any part of it will come true and I'll be able to be proud that my wacky theory was at all right. I just feel like so many parts line up in kinda satisfying ways that I could see it happening
Would have made sense to clone Anakin. The original got all lightsaber'd and lava'd up and loaded with family issues (plus he started training too old). Couldn't live up to his full potential like a pristine clone could.
I still believe that Disney wants to make "The Chosen One" a cycle kinda like the avatar that the force makes a Chosen One when ever there is a big imbalance. Would also be a great way to bring back other deep legends stuff about other super powerful force users and give people not familiar with them a sort of latch point from the movies.
The cloning process was somehow interrupted partway through, so it got fucked up somehow.
Clones were modified to age quicker. I'm pretty sure changing their sex wouldn't be a problem. Maybe he thought a woman-Anaking would be even more angry and powerful during her period.
See, I'd expect the opposite. I feel like Star Wars is thought of as more sci fi than fantasy. If I were the producers of this film, I'd be embarrassed about the claim in Phantom Menace that Anakin didn't have a father, and I'd want to get away from the magic of that.
Xeno87 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:05:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But she goes berserk and destroys his school- yeah! It was her! Not Kylo Ren!
I always thought that in this scene, Kylo doesn't call Finn a traitor but Rey.
In all seriousness, never canonically as a full memory wipe, but it's not too much of a stretch for me to believe Luke of all people could exaggerate Jedi mind tricks to the point where he could wipe certain memories from a super powerful child who wasn't fully trained.
There has got to be something funky going on with Rey though. She was abandoned on a back water planet and just so happens to be one of the most powerful force users ever?
Extreme speculation::: I still think she's a Kenobi; that she's the child of Ezra (Benicio del Toro-->DJ...Dark Jedi(?)) and Sabine (Laura Dern-->Did u see that purple hair in the making of?!?), who I still think is the daughter (we'll find out season 4) of Satine Kryze and Obi-Wan (Satine would've hidden Sabine from him before she died). This is all speculation based on Clone Wars, Rebels, and TFA. I think that the fact that they brought Ewan McGregger in to do his bits in TFA helps my wild theories. So...it makes sense that like his father in law before him did with Luke, Ezra would stash his force-sensitive daughter on a desert planet away from trouble to keep her safe. My guess.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:21:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's just crazy enough to work.
DXM147 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:33:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm more of a fan of Ben was the clone and Rey is the actual daughter of Han and Leia, but's that's just me I guess.
I said this elsewhere, but: I really feel like they'd rather forget that they ever said that Anakin's father was the force. That feels like an embarrassing "magic did it!" thing for them to have written. I don't see them bringing it back, but I could be wrong
That's a pattern that wasn't evident until Luke went a-slaughtering his way across the Empire though. By then the clones had already served their purpose.
My personal theory is that Luke cloned Anakin, and that's who Snoke is.
Allow for me to essplain...
No, there's not enough time.
Let me sum up:
Luke fears his greatest failure in life is not redeeming his father until he was moments from death. He figures he could have saved Anakin if there was more time.
So he clones Anakin... but he removes his force powers, just in case, because then so what, at worst he's just some dude. And maybe for a while it's fine... but eventually he turns to the dark side and in turn turns Ben to the Darkside who in turn slaughters all the younglings.
BUT
BEFORE THAT HAPPENS
When Luke sees that Snoke is doing a'ok, he clones Anakin again, but this time with force powers, but for insurance he tones down Anakin's anger, possibly by making him a her. But in the time before he places to order and accepts delivery Ben goes full Kylo, so Luke decides the baby girl needs to be destroyed, but he just can't bring himself to do it. So he leaves her on a desert planet out in the middle of nowhere and plants a very, very strong force suggestion in her that tells her she can never ever EVER leave Jakku, so that at worse a few scavs lose their life. But the force, uh, finds a way and uh well there it is.
Dethril ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 03:33:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How about my theory:
Luke cloned Leia before telling her she's his sister, then married her in secret and hid her on some random planet. NOW HEAR ME OUT, it's not incest because it's just a clone of her!!! So in Luke's mind it was okay to do this, and the clone Leia never found out Luke is her brother.
So later, when Han is having Ben with Leia, Luke is having hot not-incest sex with clone Leia, and they have a baby. That baby is horribly disfigured and grows up at an accelerated pace, his name is Victor Snoke. Snoke then grows up within a few months, finds out he's super strong because he's an inbred jedi, but turns to the dark side because he's treated poorly by others since he looks like a dried plum. So he revives the Empire since he's basically a teenager and wants to rebel against his father. Then he steals Kylo Ren at some point and clones him using Force Duplicate which is a really cool dark side only move. Only that baby ends up becoming transgender and becomes Rey (her original name was Ray but changed it to Rey to match her gender later on). At this point Luke is like damn it what should I do, and while he's having his crisis, he ends up going to see Lando who was introduced to him by Han. They have sex and because it's space sex Lando ends up getting buttpregnant. They have Finn. Luke is still all kinds of messed up from Kylo wrecking his students though so he leaves to go to the island. Lando is killed and baby-Finn is taken by the first order to become a stormtrooper. He's given growth accelerants to become an adult quickly to make up for the plot holes in my theory.
In the trailer, when Luke says "blah blah I forgot something about not being afraid of this kinda power before but now I totally am" he is referring to not being afraid of snoke before but now he recognizes Rey has the same power level so he's a bit spooked.
Rey and Kylo Ren later meet and bond over being the same person (snoke told kylo ren that's why he had him visit after the events on death star 3). In the trailer when snoke seems to be torturing Rey, he's actually feeding her information and it's too much so she's like aaah this is a lot of info at once.
Anyway, the movie is probably gonna end in a scene where Kylo Ren and Rey fuse together to become Kylo Rey, a genderless entity perfectly in balance with the force. This ends their storyline and in a mid-credits scene it's revealed the real story is the story of BB-8 vs BB-H8. Basically it's a cliffhanger where BB-H8 tells BB-8 "beep-bloop-whirrrrr" which is subtitled as "I am Revan's Force ghost uploaded into this robot and if you join me, together we can reach singularity".
That is a very well thought out and explained possibility. Luke basically saves the galaxy as a kid, only to destroy it later for personal reasons. Perfect space opera.
Yea, except the emperor cloning himself was part of established star wars canon, until Disney wiped that slate.
P_Hound ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:50:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting, I haven't really delved past the movies for SW plot lines so that one missed my radar. But I am kinda glad Disney wiped that just because it would feel out of left field for movie fans.
Though I don't think the other material is unimportant, I just think that for Star Wars you should be able to watch the movies and not get hit with things established outside of the movies without some kind of hint. That make sense?
They literally had a factory where they spit out millions of clones. You think that'd be far fetched for one guy to clone himself?
P_Hound ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:16:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No it wouldn't be farfetched at all, just kinda weird. The factory that spit out millions of clones were used so that the Empire had an army.
If it were so simple why wouldn't the Sith make a shit ton of clones and just destroy the Jedi easy?
It is a major development if the Sith clones himself and has never been addressed in the universe, so it would feel out of left field and raise a bunch of questions about why it didn't happen before and used to overwhelm the other side.
Well the main reason the sith wouldn't clone an army of themselves is because then they would have to deal with an army of themselves. There's a reason the rule of two exists. Also the Empire didn't use clones much. The republic did.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:29:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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P_Hound ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:12:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah and I don't doubt that, I just don't think it would be done well on the big screen. Especially since SW is not know for having the best writers.
I mean it would be kind of disappointing because it would be cool if it was someone new... but, it would also be good because it is someone we already know about and don't need a bunch of backstory speculation on.
When Luke was the last jedi and with the sith dead the force was unbalanced. Luke goes all Gollum, splits personality. Are born Ren and Ray and begin balance the force. Dark and light together to defeat Luke/snoke. Ren reluctantly becoming dark side his parents know the sacrifice, tell him to do what he needs to do.
Looks like ray stumbles onto where Luke is sending transmissions as snoke in a cave on that island.
Luke probably uses mind trick to hid his burnt snoke face he acquired climbing out of that fire.
Seems unlikely, but that could be cool if done well. But then either Kylo doesn't know (why not tell him then? He'd be loyal as HELL.) or it's a post-TFA change.
I've always wondered why Palpatine never cloned Anakin (or any Jedi) for the purpose of serving him. They've proven with the Clone Troopers that they can be controlled. Is it even possible in the new canon? They've done it before in the Legends stuff so it's definitely not out of the realm of possibilities.
And Palpatine was always 3 steps ahead of everyone else. an over reaching plot that covers all 9 films would be awesome. Like if Anakin prime was put on Tatooine as a backup plan, while Snoke was being groomed behind the scenes the entire time to be a Sith Lord.
Have you ever heard the tragedy of how Darth Sidious mixed his DNA with Darth Vader and created Lord Snoke? I thought not. It's not a story the first order would tell you.
I honestly think that, if Snoke isn'y an original character, he is Palpatine. Because a)Palpatine probably learned how to avoid death from Darth Plagueis, and b)It would give the entire franchise an over-arching villain.
He doesnโt look particularly unlike Palpatine, though he doesnโt look quite like anything. The only thing is weโve heard him speak and Palp has a very particular cadence that Snoke does not have.
Dethril ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:03:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In the trailer he's also saying fulfill your destiny, which is something sheevie said to both luke and anakin when he was converting/trying to convert them.
Iโve been searching for this comment. I think Snoke is Palpatine. He used the force to preserve himself and transferred his mind into a clone or another body. The reason he looks so disfigured is because Luke searched him out and burned his temple or palace to the ground.
If Snoke isnโt Palpatine, then I donโt know where he came from. But I do think the reason he is so messed up looking is because Luke found him and burnt his shit to the ground.
He's been silently (and uglily) plotting his revenge since that day in the cantina. Years of study of the dark side, relentless training, and finally he will come for what is rightfully his: his right arm.
You done goofed Obi, Snoke comin.
swyx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:06:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
whos the guy with ballchins
Jonny004 ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 03:30:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've been waiting years for his comeback. Much deserved.
1adog1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:12:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To anyone who didn't already know, Jar Jar lived out the rest of his life as a street performer on Naboo, banished for his role in the rise of the Empire.
Part of me wants that, to see how the get around it.
branj70 ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 03:54:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke burns Vader's body & quietly walks back to the party. Suddenly Anakin wakes up with a headache from having his mask removed & wonders if it was all a dream. Then he realizes where he is & whats happening.
Ian McDiarmid mentioned in a recent interview that he wants to portray Palpatine again, but can't because he's dead as far as the new movies are concerned.
Could be misdirection. Can't say they got someone cheaper to do the part since Serkis is probably more in demand.
It'd be blasphemous to replace McDiarmid as Palpatine. He was one of the few actors to portray his character in both trilogies and he was arguably the best part of the prequel trilogy. The man was an amazing part of Star Wars. I'll be really disappointed if they gave the part to Serkis.
ravens52 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:50:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I agree. Plus, it's farther along in the Star Wars universe and the sith were known for living past the time that most of their non-force-using species normally would live. Throwing some makeup on Ian and having him reprise his role wouldn't be very hard to do. He learned from one of the most powerful sith masters, so I'm sure he knows quite a bit about the dark side and the force in general. This is why I don't think it's Palp, though. They would've brought Ian back if that were the case. Also, I think that people hated the idea of the Emperor coming back multiple times in the EU. It's part of a dark time in the EU where I've read that a lot of people don't want to talk about the crazy literature that popped up, like the hutt jedi and some other stuff I can't think of right now.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:56:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well it obviously needs to be the story of Darth Plagueis.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:35:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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ravens52 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:55:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That was only good because she had limited screen time and a limited amount of movements for the cgi to perform. Tarken was solid, but you could still tell that it was cgi. We want to be at the point to where people are really looking for whatever it is that makes us detect that it isn't a real person. We know that it's cgi, but we want the point that it becomes hard for new people to see whether it is fake or real.
ravens52 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:53:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or Plagueis before it becomes too late. They would need someone to portray him in his younger years. Other than that get Daniel Davis to voice Plagueis. I'd imagine that you could do the book in two or three parts.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 03:58:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
bluesox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:55:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You put on your robe and wizard hat?
Axon14 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
thank god someone got the reference
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 03:00:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was gonna say, what if that's Hayden Christiensen? But that one look was more expressive than anything HC has ever done, so it can't be.
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 03:50:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
? But that one look was more expressive than anything HC has ever done, so it can't be.
Hasn't he suffered enough burns? =)
ravens52 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:58:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably, but what's one more, right? Plus, if he tries to retaliate /u/Downtown will have the high ground and we all know that Anakin is 0-1 against people with the high ground. Is he really that eager to lose more limbs?
branj70 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:56:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That was the idea, we did only see him through hologram.
Bhalgoth ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:30:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm starting to believe the "Snoke's regenerating" theories. The chunks in his face aren't really missing anymore and I don't think we can blame the hologram for that.
Dethril ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:27:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think he's Anakin's mother. Anakin had no father, remember? Well maybe he was just created by Shmi who is actually a dark side Force entity. Which is why Anakin turned into Vader. Everything was part of Shmi's master plan. Becoming a slave so she can have Anakin's beginnings be a poor slave to increase his rage, getting "killed" by the sand buddies right after she moved her life essence into one of them.
It will all build up to a scene between Snoke and Kylo Ren:
Snoke: "Han Solo never told you what happened your great grandmother... "
Kylo Ren: "He told me enough! He told me the Sand Buddies killed her!"
Snoke: "No... It's Shmi"
thelaw14 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:36:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Speculation: it's entirely just a new, whole-cloth character, without any grand conspiracy behind their identity save their desire to command an order of force-sensitive soldiers to do their bidding. Zero relation to any previous characters; just a new "big mysterious bad guy" for the heroes to eventually face off against.
If anything, at this point, finding out he's supposed to be just some surprise unmasking of a previously-introduced character would be a little disappointing. It's okay to introduce new villains without them just being the old villains put through an M. Night Shyamalan plot twist. Not everybody needs a soap-opera entrance where they turn out to be some mystery brought back from the past; "Ah, but you don't know who I really am! I was your sister's friend's cousin's second grade music teacher!" (crescendo, dramatic flourish, audience gasps/faints).
Yeah I'm wondering if the Luke is now evil theory still holds up somehow. Like Palpatine got all gross when he used dark powers of the force and became the emperor.
Roflrex ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:50:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Totally that youngling Anakin "killed" at the Jedi Temple.
septhaka ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:56:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First of all, why in the hell would they get Andy Serkis to play Palpatine when Ian McDiarmid is still alive and still happily involved in Star Wars? Second of all, if you truly believe there's even a sliver of a whiff of a chance that Snoke is Palpatine, you haven't been paying any attention to anything.
Delror ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 02:44:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't buy him being Papa Palpatine at all, but to be fair, if he was played by Ian McDiarmid it'd spoil it immediately. So by having someone else do the role they preserve the secret. Especially since Palpatine fell down the reactor shaft, he could've gotten even more fucked than he already was. Again, I don't buy it, but yea.
There are many different things they could have done to conceal it other than canning the actor that played the man in everything from Empire to Start Wars Rebels. Being secretive would have been super easy.
bckesso ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:53:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dethril ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:09:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok now let's just make a list of all the force sensitive blue eyed humans who got completely wrecked but kept their eyebrows and we've got his true identity!
He's pointing it out because some people feel that Snoke looked "off" in TFA. A lot of people complained about it. Though I thought it was a little silly considering he was a hologram.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 03:36:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, I know what they mean. It wasn't so much the hologram as it was that he looked like a sort of melted 3-year-old.
I thought it was very un-convincing. Something about all the scenes with him and the one with young Leia was very off. Bothered me extremly not just to watch it, but how out of place they looked. Somehow both bland and overdone, like someone was working on it for far too long and started to see little imperfections till they fixed it past correct.
Also it felt like they shook or something? Very off-putting, and pulled me completely out of the film.
Ruhnie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:42:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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PiesDerp ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:57:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a mix of CGI and practical effects. I don't know if that means one scene he's CGI the next he's a cosplayer or if they just edit the actors movements to spice it up a bit
I thought that was thrown out with all the rest of legends? I could be wrong but the only mention of him now is from sheev's speech a d that didn't mention his race. Snoke could also be the "life" he created.
Individual elements of the prequels were solid, it's just all together that things start to get weird. If they wanna mention coruscant or something I'm down
Kylo Ren is a glaring throwback to grandpa Anakin. They have the same mannerisms and appearance, but Abrams can direct people and not just CGI aliens, so Kylo has this thing called... emotion.
Is anyone else going to point out the allusions to Chancellor Palpatine's red-colored office and apartment and even that there are clearly red-clothed persons in the chamber, seemingly similar to Emperor Palpantine's Royal Guards? Not to mention that robe looked like something Palpatine would rock back in the day.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:40:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I saw the same resemblance and thought maybe they were related, but after looking at side by side pictures, they seem to have very different facial features. I think it's just the cgi wrinkles.
Not a chance, he'll either be a character from previous movies or an original character, they won't draw someone from a supplementary material from a much different time period
He looks very human. He's pale skin, very human face, white hair eyebrows. Lends credence that he's someone from the past movies. Also I think that line of fulfill your destiny is related to him telling Kylo Ren or Rey (but probably Kylo Ren) to kill him.
Through Reyโs eyes so her perception of him maybe?
Nb4 thatโs not how the force works.
g35fan ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 05:03:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Look at the scene of Kylo right after he smashes his helmet...that scar on his face is the new scar. The scar at the end of the trailer scene is not the same. The end scene of him sticking out his hand is definitely going to be a flashback of him reaching out to Luke when Kylo destroyed the temple and everything is on fire.
Why would he have the scar when he destroyed the temple? He got the scar at the end of TFA
g35fan ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 05:48:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He always had that "light" scar...the "heavy" scar he got at the end of TFA is what is now filled in with that black mark...check the scene halfway through the trailer right after he smashes his helmet into the wall...you can clearly see the newer scar. This is the present. At the end of this trailer, his scar is the old "light" scar...notice none of the black filling in the scar. This is why it's a flash back to the jedi temple scene.
g35fan ยท -16 points ยท Posted at 05:56:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
hmmm...not convinced, in the first link I still see the scar above his eye brow. We'll see soon :)
Deezer19 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 12:32:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What the fuck are you talking about? Convinced of what? He just showed you proof. How are you confusing a line through his eyebrow with a 8 inch slash down the side of his face?
g35fan ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 13:17:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Chill out bro. Look closely at the first link he provided, the still shot, there is a scar there, above his eye brow...you can see it. You can't see the scar on the side of his cheek however...so this is why I said I'm unconvinced.
khiron ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:04:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're trying too hard to stand behind your theory by seeing something that's not there.
Even if your assumption is correct, the scar is across his face, 8 inches long. A scar above his eye brow is not a scar across his face.
No, the scar just healed--probably from the weird black bandaid he was wearing earlier.
g35fan ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:49:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I doubt it...the flashback to the jedi temple definitely happens...and it makes sense that Kylo reaches out to Luke before buying him in that rubble...but we'll find out soon!
I think its Leia. I think he's offering to help her escape from capture.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:36:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's more inconsequential. I noticed a new version of his lightsaber. I'm betting him outstretching his hand is literally just getting it handed to him by Snoke during training.
You might be onto something with the Leia thing. Where he killed his father thingies it would be closer to the dark side, he can't bring himself to do the same to his mother so he saves her, ringing him back to the light.
I think he might be looking at Luke and extending his hand to him, the fire things falling around him might be the fallen house that Luke's Hand comes out of earlier on in the trailer
pinktini ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:29:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This has been brought up already and it can't be, because you can see the face scar from Rey slicing him with the lightsaber in TFA
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:26:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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pinktini ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:31:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He does have the scar tho.
IronYax ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if it's Solo in his imagination?
pinktini ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:31:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think I'd survive the angst and sticks in my eyes
That's what I think, too. I think the way the trailer is cut they spliced two scenes together to make us think that convo between Rey and Kylo actually happens like that, and it doesn't. But I think the overall sentiment, that Rey is lost and Kylo reaches out (literally or figuratively) to help her, will happen.
If you look at her hair and outfit when she says that line, it's what's she's wearing in the first scene when she gives Luke the lightsaber. Pretty much no way she meets up with Kylo that early in the movie.
However, I'm also pretty sure that when Kylo extends his hand, he's facing Rey.
I think it's a double misdirection. I think you're right on both counts, but I think that Kylo is seeking help from Rey, and the episode will end with Finn under Snoke's tutelage. I could be wrong, but Kylo's look is one of desperation at least to me.
rimmed ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:52:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think when he reaches out, that's in a force vision standing in front of the burned down Jedi school.
Regarding Rey, I think you're right. Looks almost like she's wearing the same outfit from the end of TFA so maybe early on trying to convince Luke to train her a la Luke and Yoda in Empire?
As for Kylo, I'm betting it's someone who would hellp him rescue Rey from Snoke. Maybe Finn? This is assuming he gets redeemed of course.
jacenat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:08:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm also pretty sure that when Kylo extends his hand, he's facing Rey.
Or Leia.
dadrawk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:09:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We saw like 3 scenes where the place is burning down. The one where Kylo extends his hand might not be the same one that the cut to Rey is from.
We don't ever see them together and I think the two of them are gonna have some important revelations.
I think by the end of this movie, Kylo and Rey will be on Luke's team, with Hux and Snoke revealing their cache of Spaarti clone cylinders and fleet of slave-rigged dreadnaughts.
ExPandaa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:07:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's probably extending his hand to luke. If you look at the scene where luke is buried in rubble it fits together very well with the kylo scene.
Or she's talking to Snoke, after Luke rejected her because he was to afraid of her immense power. It didn't scare him enough when he saw it in Ben/Kylo, now he's afraid to make the same mistake and he scares her away towards Snoke.
I do agree that he's facing Rey when he extends his hand. If you look at the lighting from that part of the trailer, the orange is on Rey's right side and on Kylo's left side. I definitely think that scene involves both of them.
I'm not entirely sure that the black glove reaching down to pick up the light saber isn't on a female's hand.
clwestbr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:06:44 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I saw someone who said it might be Finn. The theory is basically that Kylo can't go through with killing his mom and betrays Snoke, assisting Finn against Phasma and extending a hand to him.
Absolutely! I think Kylo is definitely extending to Rey, but I do NOT see her saying that to Kylo. She's called him on all of his crap this whole time, and I don't see her straying from the mid-light now. That said, I'm excited to see Luke train her and bring the Jedi principles to a more grey Jedi approach.
Can we also say something about Mr. Finn in his AMAZING get up fighting Phasma? LORT. <3
Maybe I'm misreading things, but I think it's Rey.
I'm by no means shipping but the few times he's met Rey Kylie has done things that are kind of intimate. The way he passed her out and carried her, when he took off his helmet for her just because she asked him. He wanted to train her, he wanted her to join him, like he asked. He's not just about cutting her down.
I don't know what's the deal, but he seems to have some kind of undeniable connection to her. Him putting out his hand, to get her to join him seems on brand for him trying every single tactic he can to get her closer to the darkside.
Stimming ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:34:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bless you
it2d ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:24:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The theory that Rey goes dark and Kylo turns back to the light just doesn't make any sense to me. Why would Luke's blue lightsaber have called to Rey if she was just going to turn to the dark side?
Oh good. I've done this before and been told not to be a dick, but everyone failed to realize that I was just joking. I'm glad I could brighten up your day a bit.
droden ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:41:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ive never understood how either vader or kylo could be redeemed. millions were murdered under their watch (Alderaan and the entire Hosnian System) and they directly killed 100s. vader murdered an entire room full of children. one nice act at the end of their evil killing spree does not redeem at all.
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 13:21:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ThaNorth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:57:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
His parents never had time to care for him. Leah was always busy with the republic and political shit and Han was always away on stupid adventures having fun while Ben had to take care of himself.
Sedu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:28:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pointless anecdote: I made a second profile on FB about six years ago Called Miracle Max, and I just fucked with people all the time. People couldn't figure out who I was because I friended all the same people and myself just to keep people guessing. That went on for about two months before the sleuths caught on.
Thought Rey's light saber was anakins second lightsaber? Iirc which I probably don't, he lost his original lights saber before the colosseum in attack of the clones, got a temporary one when the Jedi order arrived, and built a proper lightsaber (Rey's) between the second and third movies. That would make his third lightsaber the red one we see him build in the Darth Vader comics and in the OT.
By e9 I wanna see Finn become the iconic figurehead of defecting from the first order (if not sooner). The Empire/Rebellion/First Order/Resistance has always just been cops and robbers, Finn defecting is the first real evidence of true rebellion.
[deleted] ยท 90 points ยท Posted at 02:40:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finn was in a First Order uniform, does this confirm Captain Phasma is the real defector?
Also, Kylo Ren throwing his helmet against the wall might be taking place after he kills Leia.
tarekd19 ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 02:47:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm willing to bet he doesn't go through with it. She'll likely still die, maybe even in the same scene, but not by his hand after he hesitated and decided against it.
must be one of the first scenes for obvious reasons, but this is a sw trailer so everything is a lie. probably he hesitates and random pilot 1431 finishes the job or he set in motion the events that lead to her death but doesn't metaphorically pull the trigger, this being instead the start of the path to redemption? who knows. just assume trailer is trying the hardest to tell a different story
Phasma, if the book is to be believed, will throw in the hat for whoever best suits her desire for power and control, and kill anyone in her way. I don't see her staying with the order until the end
That would actually be interesting to see. If we can't get Tormund and Brienne making adorably rotten giant ginger babies, maybe we can ship Phasma Fett. I'm usually not one for shipping at all. But seriously.
XNonameX ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 04:17:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm gonna pull a Chris Angel on you: The First Order doesn't appear to be an official government, thus making them the rebels.
[deleted] ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 02:41:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What? If anything the First Order is the Rebelling, as they are quite literally โrebellingโ against the New Republic. Just because they are on the bad side doesnโt make them the Empire of this trilogy.
My point is you donโt see the why in any of it. These guys wear white armor and the other guys wear earth tones and orange flight suits, then they shoot at each other. The first time you see someone really have impetus for leaving their given station in life is Finn not firing on Lor San Tekkaโs camp. IMO thatโs the truest form of rebelling. I suppose one could argue that they discussed this and how the rebellion formed in the prequels but I donโt put a lot of weight in those. And even then it didnโt seem like it was a life or death decision. It was just political chess pieces being moved around. Finns decision to bail is rebellion at ground level and how true rebellions form in the first place.
barath_s ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 05:47:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
impetus for leaving their given station in life is
Luke was trying to leave harvesting and get into the academy.
Yeah, I meant the Tosche Station scene. Didn't realize Biggs was already through his academy tenure.
barath_s ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 08:03:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
His main concern was to get off the farm and into the academy (vs not wanting to let down his uncle)
The bit about hating the empire was part of a response where he was saying he didn't want to get involved, he had work to do (in response to obi wan asking him to help Leia)
Biggs had talked about the rebels, but it was all just too far away. Though Luke didn't want to get drafted by Starfleet after the academy.
To go from not wanting to get involved to actively seeking and supporting the rebels, forget the academy ... that was effected by the Empire killing his family.
lith13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:30:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke didn't want to get drafted by Starfleet after the academy.
Wait...What?
barath_s ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:47:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I'll be at the Academy next season... after that who knows. I won't be drafted into the Imperial Starfleet that's for sure...
lith13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:50:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel better and less confused now. Thanks :)
barath_s ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:57:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When the empire succeeded the old republic, the navy became the imperial navy aka imperial starfleet...
Tattooine is far away from the empire/rebellion (or so Luke/Biggs thought). The Academy that Luke wanted to join is actually the Imperial Academy and would train folks for careers in the space navy, the merchant fleet or exploration.
Bringing it back on topic, Luke wanting to join the Imperial Academy is hardly the same as him rebelling ...
The First Order grabbed a portion of the Empire during its fall. The New Republic got other areas. Since then The First Order has started expanding and becoming more militaristic.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:06:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mirions ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:20:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bodhi is Snoke. Confirmed.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:29:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Read the canon novel Lost Stars. About 2 kids joining the empire as cadets. Very much around the same idea of defecting/staying and an interesting perspective of the empire.. IMO best canon novel out at the moment.
Finn isn't the first defector, or the tenth, or hundreth, or even thousandth.
ocha_94 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:39:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In other canon material it's said that half of the Rebellion's foot soldiers were defectors from the Empire. It's really the only logical explanation for the Empire losing the Galactic civil war. They were evil, the troops realized it and many swapped sides.
Theesm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:05:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This idea is great! We really need a peaceful Revolution of the first order. Snoke commands to shoot but the stormtroopers won't killhundreds of "traitors" and the regime falls
vwwally ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:08:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
By e9 I wanna see Finn become the iconic figurehead of defecting from the first order
The thing about all these guys is that when we meet them on screen, theyโre all already on a side (han excluded. Heโs available to the highest bidder). You meet FN2187 as heโs having his a ha moment and makes his decision to walk away. That is what stands out to me regarding his choice and why I see him as the poster boy for Resistance/Rebellion.
barath_s ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:42:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Leia was a senator.
Can't have rebels only consisting of robbers.
Luke joined the rebellion after his (adopted) parents were crisped and he got a message from a beautiful girl.
teegrez ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:19:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Read the mini series Marvel is doing on her right now, as well as the novel that came out for her. She literally will stop at nothing to get what she wants, and has no loyalty to anybody but herself. Super good stuff and I hope there's more of her in TLJ
Oh yeah, I've been loving the miniseries. Great art too.
teegrez ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:34:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right? Hope that Marvel includes her in future series, especially if they don't really do much to flesh her out in the movies (which I don't think they will)
I'm really okay with her not doing much in the movies, as long as she's present, even in the background. Her disappearing from VII was one of the few complaints I had about that movie.
I think that was the point of her character. Like Fett when we first see him. Eye catching and makes you wonder, "Who the fuck is this and how awesome are they?" Then later they reveal not very and Phasma unceremoniously gets dumped into a pit and never heard from again.
prowness ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:50:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But did they ever explicitly show her getting dumped into the trash compactor? I thought t was just a lame joke to call out to previous films. For all we know, she could have just been bound.
Droganis ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:16:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually yes she was in it. Marvel has been making canon Star Wars comics and they are doing a 4 part issue of her, starts with her getting out of the compactor during the destruction of the base.
h00dman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:28:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah actually , she's a complete narcisstic psychopath . As soon as she gets out of the dumpster she immediately purges all records and pins the blame on another imperial which she then begins hunting.
I haven't read the book but I watched a video on it. Basically she's an opportunist with no real loyalty to the First Order. She has a history of stabbing people, and groups in the back when it serves her own purposes. When forced to chose between her on life, and the people she's working with she'll chose her own life every time.
As for why she wasn't court martialed the explanation is that no one in the First Order actually knows that it was her who dropped the shields. She's fairly good at covering her tracks, and any evidence was blown up with the base anyways. Apparently she did have to kill one First Order officer who managed to find out though.
The book is the best they have released so far IMO. Its Mad Max meets Xena Warrior Princess meets Fallout 3/New Vegas. Seriously. Read it.
branj70 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:52:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't read it but from what I have heard from it, it did put me in mind of New Vegas. Plus I've recently started a new playthrough of NV so it's always on my mind
I still don't understand why people were psyched about her character after Episode VII. I'm talking about before this trailer came out. She was like a plant in the background in The Force Awakens.
Her actress plays Brienne in GOT, I'm pretty sure that's where at least some of the hype comes from. She's also the first female storm trooper officer in the main story (correct me if I'm wrong) and has awesome chrome armor.
People weren't hyped for her character after VII, they were hyped before. Now we're just hoping that they finally do her character some justice instead of just being a shiny setpiece.
Fftlacop ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:37:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You should read the book about her. It may give you insight into why she did what she did in the movie. She is definitely not someone I'd want to mess with.
Kylo Kills Leia, Luke stops training Rey when he sees how powerful she can be fearing he will have Kylo mark 2 on his hands, Snoke sense this and offers Rey the answers she wants, Kylo seeing what is happening and losing his number 1 spot goes to Luke for redemption, Luke refuses, so Kylo goes it alone to save Rey as he has seen the path she is taking first hand, stops her before she goes full Evil, Luke sacrifices himself to save them both. Then in Episode 9 they team to take down the first order, falling in love, have a child, and the Skywalker saga can continue with the child.
I have a feeling this is going to be an epic battle to make up for her awful role in TFA. They have a lot of making up to do. Can't think of any other character since Boba Fett that looks so absolutely bad ass.
Im almost done with the phasma book, and its just made me think about her in the last movie. It would be nice to see more of her bad ass side rather than how submissive she was when han and nutsac got the drop on her. Granted not much else you can do with a blaster in your face.
I mean, why SHOULD'NT he be paranoid? His father is the poster boy of corrupted potential, his nephew murdered all his pupils with his power. I'm surprised Luke doesn't scare Rey off by waving his arms about like Old Ben Kenobi scaring off jawas > Tuskan raiders
Precisely. On the real though, I really wanted to see a sequel to explore Quorra in the real world and maybe explain exactly how she exists physically. Oh well, maybe in 21 years they'll skim over it in a brief scene so I can have some answers.
Eh, personally I don't want them to explore too much. Problem is if you think about the details like that too much, it really sorta falls apart. You sorta get into the problem that Flynn's greatest invention wasn't The Grid or that he developed a method of converting matter into computer code, let alone keeping a human intelligence intact (which is insane), it's that the process can work in reverse.
Flynn's computer is powerful enough that it not only managed to spontaneously generate AI, but his laser system is powerful enough to convert energy (back) into matter. Sam wasn't just digitized and stored, he was straight up disintegrated, essentially, and then probably built entirely new, since Quorra had no original body.
Let's not also forget that CLU was convinced this system was powerful enough to materialize his entire battleship.
Flynn might have been a genius but this is like the equivalent of Bill Gates dying and then we discover he built an entire, fully functional base on Mars, and a teleportation portal to get to it. He never mentions any of this because he thought his greatest invention was the Windows OS, which of course the entire base runs on.
I dunno, it kinda feels like he might actually be weaker than Anakin, Kylo, and Rey.
[deleted] ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 03:16:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I always took it that Luke's force powers were not important. He was the center of 'obvious morality' and balance between emotion and thought. He didn't take down the Empire because he could make shinier lightning. That's not what Luke's character is about - in contrast to Anakin, who's character was literally about a fucking power level.
Look is basically in the Yoda phase now. Yoda initially didn't look like much, and neither does Luke (physically). I suspect that Luke might surprise us.
I don't think it has anything to do with physical appearance. We've seen how capable old men in this universe are (yoda, palpy, dooku). He just seems weak because he's running scared from some kids that might have the potential to be stronger.
His nephew corrupted, fucked up his temple, killed his friend. Kinda makes sense he doesn't want to rush out, be seen as some kind of savior and kill his sisters son.
I know the idea of paranoid Luke makes sense but it's such a sad ending for this character. To lose his father, his best friend, his sister, his whole family to the Sith then become an old senile hermit in old age. It's just too sad of an ending for the hero of the original trilogy.
That's the thing with all the Skywalker family. Something like 100 years of solitude.
RidlyX ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:20:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke has always been willing to take responsibility for his actions. He is struggling now, because he feels he must take responsibility for the actions of Kylo and Rey. He's scared, because he realizes that Obi-Wan and Yoda taught him wisdom and perseverance, but that he doesn't know how to teach what he has always had inside of him: goodness and temperance
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:19:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love how he's gone from the farm boy stuck in the middle of nowhere who just wants to get away... to a paranoid hermit who's seen and done it all and just wants the universe to leave him alone.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:51:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is a very realistic Luke, if anything. Given what the character has gone through, this appears to be excellent character development. Part of me wanted a wise and calm Luke but I really dig the humanity that's showing through. Dude had hardly any screen time in this trailer and he floored me.
He's sounded more and more like a crazy person. He must have some serious ptsd.
0x8086 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:31:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I personally think Luke has become more morally gray. It seems Luke's goal is to eradicate the teachings of the force/Jedi, because the power is too much to be used for good.
I didn't see Red Herring anywhere in that trailer.
Dannnnny ยท 150 points ยท Posted at 02:26:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You hope what? Even if this trailer was a direct outline of the plot for the last Jedi (which it almost certainly is not) would that be so bad? There was so much tension created in the trailer and so much deep interpersonal stuff going on between new and old characters, it looked amazing regardless.
Based on the way we were led to believe Finn was THE Jedi this time in 2015 I would say itโs anything goes. I hope itโs not a direct outline but itโs also pretty much impossible to say for sure at this point.
Dannnnny ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:45:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
With a franchise of this magnitude it's almost a guarantee they are putting red herrings into the trailer to throw people off, they've invested millions in making sure people have the shock factor of "luke, I am your father" within the new trilogy.
In the Berenstein Universe, Nelson Mandela voiced Vader when he had the mask on.
Dannnnny ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:01:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, In direct quotation you are 100% correct but in pop culture it will always be remembered the other (wrong) way. I was just speaking about the shock factor I know they are going for because it was a central tenet of what made the O.T. so popular.
Of course I would have to wait and see, but based on the previous movie, I just don't see how Rey turning to the dark side would make sense, so yes it would be bad.
She never displayed a lust for power, any disproportionate anger, and she ran away after her first glance at the dark side!
She wasn't even that excited about becoming a Jedi or going on adventures, she just wanted to stay on Jakku.
I just don't see how they could turn all of that around over the course of a single movie, in a satisfying and believable way.
She could be mad at Luke for turning her away, but another character turning to the dark side because of a dumb temper tantrum would really piss me off.
Which is why I was happy with Kylo Ren, finally a character who truly chooses to be evil, who truly wants to join the dark side, and truly believes in it.
But the trailer kind of implies that that will change too, which would also be disappointing IMO.
I wouldnt see it as a dumb temper tantrum. After failing to help Kylo become a jedi, and him turn dark and destroying everything Luke has worked for. Luke refuses to train Rey when he realizes she has that same potential. Rey, now that she has felt the raw power she has, just wants help understanding it. Because Luke refuses to train her, she only has one other resource. So its not her going dark because Luke rejects her. She "goes dark" only because the only person willing to train her happens to be on the dark side
At the end of Force Awakens, she felt the power she could wield through the force. Wouldn't be unthinkable if from there, she just wants to develop that ability. She grew up as a junker, wasnt really involved with the First Order or Dark Side for most of her life.
Only thing I could see is that Luke lies to her about her parentage, kylo knows and reveals it to her at which point she learns Luke is her dad, abandoned her, lied to her, force wiped her memory, and in that moment she succumbs enough to the dark side for it to take hold and be tempted to join kylo or snoke .
goalieca ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:03:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
spoilers though!
Dannnnny ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 05:14:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Too many people behind this machine of a franchise to spoil anything important for the fans, the only part I would consider a spoiler is kylo putting his sights on leia, but sadly we all knew she had to go, so they didn't mind alluding as to how it would happen.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:29:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sir, the possibility of Rian Johnson killing off Carrie Fisher's beloved role, via her own son, is approximately three thousand, seven hundred twenty to one!ย
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:37:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dannnnny ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 03:01:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are haters and there are true fans, I have loved all 7 episodes and I know I'll love this as well, save your bitching until the film actually comes out, but spoiler, real fans still won't give a shit about your opinion.
Dannnnny ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 03:25:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just get tired of the whiney original trilogy fanboys who only got into the series during the 90's re- release, acting like nothing lives up to their expectations. It's a good trailer and I'm excited to see the film.
Dannnnny ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 03:14:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I asked in a facetious manner which was explained by the parentheses. If you cant grasp subtext and the intended meaning of my sentence then the art of conversation is a little lost on you.
This is the double fake out: we are given a deliberate fake out in the trailer, and Rian takes to Twitter with the whole "go in clean" line in order to make us think that it's a spoiler, but he knows we're too smart for that and will think it's a fake out, when really it's not a fake out.
jtr99 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:47:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A fake-out within a fake-out within a fake-out? Luke is Muad'Dib confirmed.
Fakayana ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:46:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If the filmmakers really intend the trailer to be a red herring, they wouldn't tell us though right? ๐ค If so then we're just going to assume the opposite of what the trailer showed.
But what if they were expecting us to think it was a red herring so it really IS the truth?
Unless they knew that we'd know that they'd know...
Ouch, owie, my head
Poc4e ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:30:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
*bones
0x8086 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:35:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably, I remember their are some shots in the Rogue One trailer that are very different from the film (such as the tie fighter confronting Jyn on Scarif) this could either be from the reshoots, or intentional misdirection.
tape_leg ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 02:40:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It looks like Luke may have been attacked in that cave when he says "this is not going to go the way you think" since he is on the ground and looks to be in pain. Earlier in the trailer you see Rey and Luke in an area that looks to be the same and she looks like she's taking a kind of battle stance. So I am not entirely sure what's happening here.
yomerol ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:10:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So who had the high ground?
PS I'm started to get convinced that Rey is going to the dark side, and Kylo will put a tantrum because now shell be Snoke's favorite... and of course, to balance the force
gyutop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:03:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can only hope its Luke speaking to Kylo before Luke demolishes his punk ass in a dope lightsaber duel. Basically โ donโt do it, you wonโt winโ.
jd1ms4 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:02:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't try it, Kylo.
rhinguin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:33:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Throwing this out there: I watch TV with captions, and that came through as "This is not going to go well" followed by "the way you think!" Good chance those are two lines spliced together for the trailer
mjcart03 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:17:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Love how meta that line was.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:18:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Look at the background behind Rey vs Kylo... clearly pasted two different shots together to make it look like something it's not. Guarantee Rey is talking to Luke during that "find my place in all this" line. Who knows about Kylo though.
My guess is he's warning Rey because she goes to confront Kylo Ren before her training is finished. Sound familiar? This is when she gets tempted to turn to the darkside by Snoke. Sound familiar?
Rian Johnson has confirmed that the "don't watch the trailer" thing was fake news (and of course every single news website has republished before checking the sources, because clickbait is more important than facts nowadays)
I'm pretty sure he's talking to Rey there, not Kylo. I feel like their master/pupil relationship doesn't really work out, and so Rey goes to learn from Kylo.
I felt like Luke was directing that at Snoke, but it could easily be a flashback to Luke directing that at Phasma or Ben, at the Jedi Temple destruction.
Luke remembering the fall of the Empire, or how things went for his Dad.
Look at this scene, and go back and watch TFA when Rey has her flashback. The whole โThis is not going to go the way you think." is being said definitely to Kylo and/or the Knights of Ren when they are attacking the Jedi Academy. It is raining down in both shots from TFA and the trailer respectively. Let me know what you guys think :)
AWW MAN I FORGOT THEY SAID THERE WAS GOIJG TO BE SPOILERS IN THE MEDIA FOR THIS MOVIE. IVE BEEN AVOIDING STUFF BECAUSE OF THAT BUT I SAW THE TRAILER. NOOOOOOOOO
I think the delivery was fine but disagree that delivery alone can control the quality of a line.
Exhibit A, "I don't like sand, it's coarse and rough and irritating, and it gets everywhere"
I mean seriously? Not only is the entire premise of that line stupid but THREE uses of "and"? Awful. Daniel Day Lewis or Anthony Hopkins couldn't have saved that.
Like I said, I think his delivery was as good as it could be. You're obviously entitled to your own opinion of the line, I'm seriously glad you enjoyed it!
Hopefully because after the first one I really feel like they are basically recycling the original trilogy story. While that's what it made it popular originally, that would be weak and boring
swz ยท 2934 points ยท Posted at 02:01:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylos TIE tho....
cmath89 ยท 1228 points ยท Posted at 02:08:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs so badass. And that shot of his shuttle hovering over the AT-ATs. Iโd like a screen grab of that please.
I'd have just gone with Model 6 or Mark 6 or something.
"Mega Caliber 6" sounds like something out of a shitty anime and/or 10 year olds trying to outdo each other.
Looks fucking awesome though. I love that the First Order continues to just go "We'll build it bigger."
Miennai ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:16:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That might justvbe because "mega" is a legitimate prefix which has come to sound casual and layman by common usage. Similarly, "supermassive" is a genuine scientific term, but it might kind of lazy and unscientific the first time you hear it.
Hannay39 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:01 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean in all fairness there are legit real life tanks with names that include prefixes such as 'super', 'mega' and such. There is even an american tank called the "T26E4 SuperPershing". Besides kilo, mega, giga and all those are in respect to the size/amount of something. i.e, a gigabyte is 106 bytes so 'mega caliber 6' is likely on about the size of caliber the guns they are carrying
You're mixing and matching. "Super" is a generic term for an upgrade. The M26 Pershing was an established tank and the T26E4 is just an up-gunned version. An upgrade, and "super" denotes that. Or in the case of the B-29 Superfortress, is following the trend from the B-17 Flying Fortress, which actually parallels Star Destroyers and Super Star Destroyers pretty well. SSDs are 'enhanced' Star Destroyers. But its still rather generic - you don't know the specs, but you know a Super Star Destroyer is better than a Star Destroyer and that a SuperPershing is better than a Pershing.
But like you said, "mega" has an actual specific meaning. Problem is, so does "caliber". "Caliber" denotes the diameter of the barrel. A 50 caliber machine gun has a barrel that is specifically .50" across. So "Caliber 6" means a barrel of 6... something in diameter. Inches? Seems unlikely.
"Mega" on the other hand specifically means a factor of 1,000,000. So "Mega Caliber 6" would literally mean "a gun barrel diameter of 6,000,000 <something>." It just doesn't make sense on multiple levels.
Calling them "Super AT-ATs," "AT-SAT's" or even "AT-M6" for "Armored Transport, Mega 6" would make more sense than using two essentially conflicting units of measure just because it sounds cool. You know what also sounds cool? Turbogallons. My pool holds 1,000 turbogallons of water. And earlier this week, I went for a jog and ran 5 gigainches. Awesome right?
In all fairness, if Star Wars is going to use real-world units, they need to at least make sure they make sense.
Hannay39 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:34:04 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Listen, its a fantasy film. If this sort of stuff upsets you on such deep emotional levels.. then no reason the world is fucked
It doesn't upset me, but I figured if you were going to go all technical and bring up WWII era tanks as an example, I could bring up the actual meaning of the words and it'd all be good.
You know you can have an in depth, nerdy conversation about a fictional world without going all "this is SRS BUSNISS" right?
might have gone overboard with the "look intimidating" thing, but they might grow on me. they sort of remind me of gorillas.
[deleted] ยท 154 points ยท Posted at 02:42:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My fanwank theory is that the First Order is mostly made up of the tryhard sons and daughters of imperial officers (eg, Hux). So they try to make their stuff look as intimidating and "evil" as possible.
Akuze25 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 14:14:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not even a theory, that's straight-up true. Hux was heavily abused and brainwashed from birth by his dad, and to get back at him he's basically made it his life goal to out-evil his dad since being evil was the only thing his dad ever cared about.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:01:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, is that in Aftermath or something? I remember Abrams or Kennedy saying that the First Order were like Neo-Nazis who grew up in Argentina hearing stories about the Third Reich, but I didn't know there was any cannon material about it.
Akuze25 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:13:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Argentinian Nazi comparison is pretty succinct actually.
What I'm referring to is in fact from the Aftermath trilogy, the Phasma novel, and I think a bit from Bloodline if I remember right.
Essentially the First Order is made up of leaders that were brainwashed as kids by the most extreme of the remains of the Empire's leadership. Until shortly before TFA they practiced extreme isolationism and power-building in the Unknown Regions of the galaxy, using the Empire as a template for everything they did, but turned up to 11. They're basically a fanatical military cult with a sprinkling of religious zealotry.
It wouldn't surprise me if the First Order decided part of why the Empire lost was that they weren't intimidating enough. Still looking forward to the Lego set.
Synicull ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 02:30:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, the gorilla thing was a nice 'oooh interesting change!' but I'm not completely swayed on it. I'm leaning towards enjoying the more mindless stiff-legged AT-ATs.
they were already massive weapon-bristling death tanks on a colossal scale, just let them be badass
dkac ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:29:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm going to assume that those red eyes are some sort of heat- or light-reflecting material, because we really don't need any more ham-fisted reminders that the Empire is evil.
jtr99 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:54:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
On the other hand, consider why they might want to use those walker for, if it's for pacification or counter-insurgency, they might want to have their weapons as intimidating as possible, Similarly to hannibal and his war elephants. You're a farmer on a planet way out in the boonies and you consider joining the rebellion? Here are some guargantuesque machines with glowing red eyes.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:56:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which I appreciate. But take a look at the "eyes." That's pretty ridiculous. I think it's a shitty design.
I don't like how they have angry red eyes. So dumb and on the nose. The originals are so intimidating because they were just giant, slapped-together, unnatural hulking monstrosities: a testament to the empire's design philosophy of form over function to strike fear into the opposition. Death star is the same way. These are cleaned up, edgy deviant art bullshit.
They didn't look like eyes, though. It was a cockpit. At best they looked like a quadruped cyclops, but it was very ambiguous. This was an intentional design choice. The original Empire aesthetic heavily emphasized abstract geometric shapes. The star destroyers are giant triangles, the death star is planet sized sphere, tie fighters have hexagonal wings, windows are octagons, etc.
taulover ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 06:35:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The original AT-ATs look cartoonishly evil too, we just got used to them.
Kyizen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:25:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's almost like one of the First Order engineers watched footage of the Battle of Hoth and was like shit we need to stop someone from just wrapping a rope around our walkers this time...
Kyizen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:53:52 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup I feel it's like the end of Independence Day where they go spread the word...We know how to beat them!
Deepseat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:07:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, they went a little overboard. I feel like Star Wara vehicles, while pure fiction, have always had a sort of grounded "realistic"ish base that says, "ok, we all know this tech doesn't exist, but in a world where it did, this is what weapons of war might look like". With real world firearms, vehicles and weapons, there's a saying that the perfect one doesn't exist. There's always a compromise and vulnerability somewhere. The AT-M6 seems to cross this line IMO. I swear if these things can fly, I'll walk out.
Odesit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:49:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They look like those robot things in Power Rangers with those "eyes"
Anyone notice how it looks like the new AT-ATs are much larger than Original AT-ATs? There's some smaller ones in that scene but they're like half the size as the new design.
It's a really cool set. During Force Friday I bought that and the BB-8 set.
t0sche ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:58:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The thrusters look eerily close to the Falconโs. I wonder where he got the design
Billabo ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:58:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
...Oh, as in TIE fighter. I scrolled halfway down your replies wondering what LEGO and thrusters had to do with an article of clothing Kylo was wearing. lol. And I didn't remember him wearing a tie in the trailer.
And a new version of the Nebulon-B, and some sort of escort (roughly corvette-sized) with the Corellian 6-engine clusters on either side.
This makes me even more disappointed in the lack of good starship merchandise this year. The best new thing I saw was the Resistance Bomber, and the smaller die-cast models have the S-foils molded in the "off" position.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:45:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have a few buddies at the game and was invited but couldnโt attend. I was going to jokingly text them that they might have been able to see Mitchโs first start but they missed the trailer. Thatโs cool yaโll got to see it.
candichi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:17:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
bChubb21 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:14:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Free tickets luckily
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:32:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
God dammit. As a native of northern illinois and a star wars freak for most of my life, there are no words for how annoyed I am that I missed fucking stormtroopers in fucking soldier fucking field
That was a little rough honestly. It's like when you have a smoking hot Aunt that you remember when you were like 6, but you're 30 now and she gained weight and smoked 1000 packs of cigarettes too many.
I thought it made her character more believable. She's old, scarred, but still fighting the good fight.
[deleted] ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 06:19:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I loved it personally. This isnโt Princess Leia anymore, age added majesty to her. Sheโs still regal but tough as nails too and it was a hard journey getting there.
Nesrow ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:47:41 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly, it suits her character perfectly. A tough as nails but dignified old lady.
Agreed. Since ROTJ he has really made a living off his voice acting (not to diminish his other work) and after the silent ending of the last film I guess hearing his voice as Luke was not what I expected.
Really? No offense but it's been stated on numerous occasions that Luke has a big role in this movie. I'm guessing his screen time will be second only to Rey and Kylo
This has nothing to do with Star Wars, but there was a movie called Brigsby Bear that came out earlier this year. It's got Mark Hamill, along with a ton of SNL actors (Kyle Mooney and Beck Bennet) and it's an absolute joy to watch.
TLM86 ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 02:53:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which also played under the Falcon chase in full orchestral form.
In order, I believe we had a slowed-down Imperial March (Ahch-To stuff) leading into the Jedi Steps (ground cracking, rocks floating), being interrupted by Kylo's (on his intro and TIE sequence), epic Rey's Theme (Falcon and Resistance), what sounds like more of Rey's Theme with the first two notes of Kylo's ("not going to go the way you think"), Rey's piano theme (Rey/Kylo), and finally the Force Theme over the title.
Yes I think Kylo Ren's theme is getting closer and closer to the Imperial March
TLM86 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:09:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hopefully, yeah. His secondary "mournful" theme from TFA reminds me of Vader's original theme in ANH, so it'd be nice to have Kylo's main theme heard here progress like the Imperial March did in ESB into a full arrangement.
Damn I thought I was tripping when I heard Imperial March there and didn't see anybody mention it. Glad to know I'm not the only. It definitely was there! Less epic, slower and more sad version of it... amazing.
I feel like it was not actually John Williams. Similar to the Force Awakens trailer.
TLM86 ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 02:49:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, the trailers are all composed by trailer music companies, though apparently both this and TFA had input from Williams, or at least used themes/progressions he originally composed. That they've used the Jedi Steps theme here suggests it'll be appearing in the score too.
i mean how big does your ego have to be to go "nah i know better than the greatest composer in a generation"
TLM86 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:07:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean... I wasn't saying it was an ego thing. Williams may have sent over notes or something, "here's the bad guy's theme, here's a theme for Rey and Luke", etc, and they've popped them in where they see fit.
I understand that, but from some of the most popular pieces of all time? You don't think anyone who considers themselves a composer would pretty well know what the theme of the imperial march sounds like?
Not necessarily about ego, but William's got a pretty distinctive signature over his composition. If you want to respecte original theme, might want to check with the original compositor.
Also, unrelated, I personally prefer Hans Zimmer to John Williams. Ramin Djawadi is also setting himself to be quite memorable.
Ramin Djawadi is also setting himself to be quite memorable.
While Warcraft soundtrack was kinda meh, especially considering high standards of WoW's soundtracks... he absolutely kills it with his work on Game Of Thrones. Winds of winter or Lannister always pays his debts are some of the best fantasy themes I've ever heard.
The lightsaber sound effects lining up with the opening theme gave me goosebumps.
ribi305 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 03:49:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, and do you notice that it's almost all built on new themes, e.g. Rey's Theme? I love that it feels just as much like Star Wars music as the Force Theme that is used to open so many trailers.
During the bit where Rey starts to crack the ground with the force, it sounds a lot like The Force Awakens. Is that part of the music from another movie?
TLM86 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 03:02:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's the theme from "The Jedi Steps", the finale of The Force Awakens.
TLM86 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:20:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No worries. It's an awesome theme, so I'd recognise it anywhere ;) It also shares certain chords with the Imperial March, which precedes it in the trailer, for what it's worth.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:26:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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TLM86 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:47:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Indeed, and segues into the Jedi Steps theme from the end of TFA, which itself used chords from the Imperial March. So there's definitely a connection between those pieces.
Kherro ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:25:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also I just noticed that when Rey hands Luke his old Lightsaber, the Imperial March is playing in slow motion in the background. Speed it up on YouTube in you want to hear it.
I love that they are leaning in to the new score, and not relying on cheap nostalgia. The music in the new trilogy is great, and I'm glad they're featuring it so prominently.
What about the part of the trailer where the Jedi steps theme from the end of TFA when Rey meets Luke is playing and it transitions into Kylo Rens theme... ominous.
You ever fuck a Jakku girl? Back in our day, you weren't a real man until you'd fucked one girl from each of the Star Systems, and the Outer Rim. We used to call it "making the hump to hyperspace"
jncheese ยท 219 points ยท Posted at 06:11:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
โMine was some young palpatinian fanatic at the battle of hoth,โ โMy Tauntaun took a beamshot, so I was on foot, slogging through the snow. He came running at me, this dumb snowtrooper clone, thinking he could end the rebellion with a single shot of his blaster.โ
โI knocked him down with my saberhiltโ โGODS, I WAS STRONG THENN. Caved in his batterypack. Probably shattered every rib he had. Stood over him, saber in the air. Right before I brought it down he shouted โWait! Wait!โโ
โThey never tell you how they all shit themselves. They donโt put that part in the 501st brochure,โ he continues. โStupid boy. Now the snowtrooper eskimos are all frozen and dead somewhere in the ice with the tauntauns. He could have lingered on the edge of the battle with all the smart clone boys in their armored ATATs and today his wife would be making him miserable, his sons would be ingrates just like the rest of the clones, and heโd be waking three times in the night to piss into a sealed peeshoot.
Just grab a twi'lek and Charge up her loading ramp son Cuz them Tailheads got more star miles on em than a spacer and are ready to Kriff, so flatch the snatch
porcos3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:58:48 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They look like they have shin guards that are meant to catch the cables if someone were to try to take them down that way. I wouldn't be surprised if they are featured in at least one scene where they come in handy.
kensai8 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:17:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone pointed out that there were older AT-ATs in the shot, and these new ones are about twice as big.
Thandie Newton is Finns mom, thus connecting The Han Solo movie to the sequels . Ron Howard's hand is covering an Imperial Patch. It's the most outlandish theory i can come up with.
Nobody said Luke or Lando were humans. It's a long time ago in a galaxy far away so they might just look like humans but have different naughty bits and genetics than us. Anakin was born from a virgin after all.
Not naturally, but it may one day become possible for germ cells to be artificially influenced to deviate from their normal path of differentiation. A lot of the biology crosses over. It would work fine for two male parents, but two female parents wouldn't be able to conceive a son unfortunately.
Gay or lesbian couples who want kids? I'm not sure if you're offended by the idea of same-sex couples or by the actual process.. It definitely makes sense to adopt, but if they really wanted genetic offspring then it would be nice to have an option.
The process is fucked and the idea of a man procreating with a man to make a child is fucked up not because "muh homosexuality" but because that kid will have so many deficiencies and will have to suffer through life when you could've just adopted a kid
False. He's the son of Leia and Lando. Lando and Han played one last game, and Lando won Leia for one night. She hated Han for it. They gave the baby up because it was a constant reminder for both of them of Han's gambling problem, and it was eating away at them. It eventually led to the downfall of their marriage.
I prefer his story to Rey's so far so having him be a Jedi would be awesome. Stormtrooper turned Jedi. I don't even want him to be a Skywalker. I want the force to awaken in various people.
Jorymo ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 04:58:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was hoping for that before VII came out; that a bunch of people would start becoming force sensitive like the airbenders in Legend of Korra
The New Canon has been trying to "redo" the concept of Force Sensitivity. Characters and groups like Chirrut and the Acolytes of the Beyond have shown us that all living beings can use the Force to a certain degree. Lack of natural sensitivity and aptitude can be amended (to a degree) through training and practice.
Ecko09 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 10:08:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Glad I'm not the only one. I think the story should follow Finn and luke and not rey and kylo. Only give us snippets of kylo and snoke like they did with Palpatine and vader in the first 3.
I was thinking that for awhile. Everyone accepted his backstory as a normal stormtrooper, and making everyone ask questions about Rey could be a great red herring. But seeing how Rey centered all the marketing for TLJ is, I think they're too deep in to try and pull that one now.
Xacto01 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:57:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well the mind training didn't work on him... So there's that
HDigity ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:37:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But what a fucking twist if they could pull it off!
Everyone accepted his backstory as a normal stormtrooper
I've always thought it was too coincidental for his conditioning to wear off when and where it did. And I still suspect that he might be some sort of a Manchurian candidate.
Plus the look that Kylo gives him at the beginning of TFA. Also, the situations he gets himself into where he comes out alright is a bit too lucky for a normal person imo.
Xacto01 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:53:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Those targeting skills reaction times right???
Edit: corrections
HDigity ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:58:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finn is 100% gonna be a Jedi I'm not even shakeable on that, I'm less sure about him being a Skywalker but I Want To Believe.
Xacto01 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:10:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rey is going to be tempted by the dark side. Then Kylo is going to reveal the truth... Luke orchestrated his turn to the dark side and is trying to do the same thing to Rey. Snoke is a smokescreen and probably won't survive Episode VIII.
Tesrab ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:40:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. I still think the whole "Force Awakens" part is Finn waking up to the force. Like it seems to overcome him in his moment of indecision early in the film and it gets Kylo's attention, but passes because he's still largely untrained and Finn is still weak to the force.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:34:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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HDigity ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:39:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Easy: He takes after his mom. Done.
THERE IS ONLY ONE THEORY THAT MATTERS, AND IT IS HERE.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:29:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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HDigity ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:44:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who says he didn't? Finn's 24, maybe Luke gave up. Or maybe he was convinced that Finn died during Kylo's Big Temper Tantrum. Or something.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:09:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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HDigity ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:19:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, the force should let him know that...
BUT.
In Ahsoka, Ahsoka can't "find" Anakin or Obi-Wan in the force anymore after the shit went down, and she assumes this means they died. So it's possible that after a sufficiently traumatic event (Kylo's tantrum) Luke lost contact with him and was unable to "find" him.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:22:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He didn't. At all. He's been pulling the strings from behind the scenes this whole time. He didn't completely vanish, he's just been doing some shady shit for some larger diabolical purpose. Luke has essentially turned.
Or (and this has been my theory for quite a while) what if Luke has been in control of everything?
Kylo turning to the dark side? All part of the plan. Rey finding the map and Luke's lightsaber? All part of the plan. Finns conditioning failing when and where it did? All part of the plan. Everything is proceeding exactly as Luke Skywalker has foreseen it.
This trailer, for me, all but confirmed it completely. Luke is the big bad. Snoke, at best, is Luke's apprentice. And, either way... Snoke won't survive Episode VIII. He was never really the main villain of this new trilogy.
Heโs not the Jedi, but he certainly is one.
In episode 7 Snoke says he feels an awakening in the force, and this scene is pretty much right after Finn disobeys phasmaโs order to kill the villagers. Nothing involving Rey and some sort of awakening moment happens between the two scenes, so itโs a deliberate set up to imply Finn is the force sensitive one Snoke senses.
Thereโs a tumblr post floating around somewhere that explains it a lot better than I did
YES and I'm still bummed about it because I was super excited to see a black guy lead a major franchise. I still like his character but I'm just bummed he isn't the lead.
Incidentally, my dad's headcanon after 7 (that I accepted) was that Finn had to have had some basic training with that when he was a stormtrooper, which is why he could handle the saber. This seems to basically confirm it.
That wasn't a lightsaber I don't think. It was the same energy sword thing that the Stormtrooper used against him in TFA.
dengarbh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:15:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah wasnโt a lightsaber my man. It was one of those things that the trooper that he fights in episode 7 was using. Itโs called a Z6 riot control baton.
I really like that I tried my best to avoid spoilers but ended up seeing a commercial or something with him holding the lightsaber, and thought it had been spoiled. In the end it was almost better because I spent the first half of the movie thinking that he would be the Jedi. So, it was a nice twist.
I would prefer that so much. My ideal scenario is Rey goes dark side, kylo goes off in his own, more neutral path, after being replaced by Rey as snokes favorite. Then Finn becomes Luke's true apprentice. And in all honesty I would love if Rey ended up killing Luke.
At the very least give her some opposition and develop her character into something more than a Mary Sue that barely has to try to do everything the plot needs her to.
I still don't understand Finn using a light saber. They made it pretty clear in the original movies that only a Jedi can use a light saber
dswartze ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:31:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean like the time in ESB when Han uses one? Or how the very first time a lightsaber is ignited in ANH it's by someone who although he is very force sensitive has no training and doesn't know how to use the force.
Also other examples in the current canon include some really dumb comics with lots of people wielding them, and in Rebels. I suppose if you count the darksaber there's a few more in the clone wars as well.
Croswynd ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:42:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finn didn't really do much you wouldn't do with a vibrosword, and he still got his ass kicked by a severely weakened Kylo almost immediately.
dswartze ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:44:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well the comics and the TV shows still show otherwise, and although many of them came out after TFA was made, Pre Visla and the darksaber go back to before the Disney purchase in a show that George Lucas was very involved in.
Oh and General Grievous.
NatKayz ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:36:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To effectively weild one in combat you almost always need the force. Finn doesn't effectively weird it, gets his add kicked both times.
[deleted] ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 02:43:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The scene with Rey looks to be around a firepit, the scene with Kylo is in a firestorm. The lighting is different in each, as is the color of light emitting from the lighting source.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 02:18:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely think Kylo / Leia was real, but not the last bit. Who knows though
Yeah, the scene with Rey looks like a green room, whereas Kylo is red with fire and smoke around. It's possible that the scene is Kylo offering his hand to Rey, and Rey could be talking to Kylo in her's, but they're definitely different.
I agree. In the Rey scene she's got the orange lighting, but in Kyla's it's even more so AND there's floating fire bits falling, which we don't see in the Rey scene.
bckesso ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:45:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've seen a lot of people mention this but no one screen shot it. Would you do the honors?
The lighting on Rey is slightly more yellow/orange. If they're supposed to be facing each other by the same light source I don't think it would be even that subtle of a difference.
This. The lighting behind Kylo is harsh, because it is in the fires behind him. That would be reflected on Rey's face. Hers was much warmer, almost inviting, and much more stable.
Speculation:
I think the hand is an extension to Finn, who is shown to be present at a fire lit battlefield.
j0sephl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:02:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also the floating embers are not present in Reys reverse. Definitely not the same scene.
3sheetz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:26:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I bet kylo dies there not Leia. You think kylo kills her but she's actually watching him die. Maybe killed by Poe.
KKsEyes ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:08:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It seems like the Kylo/Rey thing is two different scenes. The backgrounds and lighting on their faces seem to be different.
I'm assuming Rey is saying her lines to Luke
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:27:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
His targeting computer is showing the Raddus' command bridge as being locked in, and Leia is obviously the commander of the Raddus. So yeah, it's Kylo killing Leia/failing to do so.
Still not buying it 100%. They edit the trailers like crazy. Voiceovers from difference scenes, clips from difference scenes put together, and footage that doesnโt even make the final cut.
Or maybe it's from the same scene but he doesn't pull the trigger? I'm pretty sure that Leia doesn't die because they had to rewrite Episode IX because of Carrie's passing and that The Last Jedi remained unchanged.
Unless... What if she was always supposed to die in TLJ but the way IX was going seemed untactful after Carrie died?
Yeah there's so much misdirection probably in the trailer to make people question stuff. But people will believe anything and do anything these days, as we know, so lots of people will probably buy into it haha.
Maybe but I imagine it'll play out that way, with him hesitating. That's probably the moment where either he fully turns to the dark side or redeems himself.
Orange lighting on right side of Reyโs face DEFINITELY matches the orange lighting on left side of Kyloโs face.
Beyond that, there are no other consistencies. Background for Rey looks cold and damp. For Kylo there is fire and falling cinders.
Could be same scene but impossible to know for sure.
Jeranda ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:58:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea the Kylo and Rey scene are two different scenes in my opinion. It looks like Rey is wearing her first outfit that has a bit of a collar on it when she is asking someone to show her place in all of this, and I feel like she wouldn't be asking Kylo for help so early on in the movie before she switches to her new outfit. Also they really seem to emphasize reflections from lighting in the eyes, or other shiny things such as phasmas helmet in this trailer, and I don't see fire reflection in reys eyes.
Wing126 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:50:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It has to be two different scenes, there's no way they would spoil that moment (Leia/Kylo) in a trailer.
Not saying you're wrong, but I don't see why the one at the end would have to be misdirection. It's Star Wars, of course Rey is going to be tempted by the dark side. It's not a problem to show that in the trailer, I'd be more suspicious if it hinted one way or the other which way she goes.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's my thinking with the end scene, I'm betting it's a total misdirect
If it is, I wonder how else they would write out Leia for Episode IX
DKTHUNDR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I think the lighting between Kylo and Rey at the end is different
Evadson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:14:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree, if you look at the backgrounds it's pretty clear they are different scenes.
In the Leia scene, everyone behind her is walking around calmly and the ship seems fine, not like it's about to be destroyed.
In the Rey scene, her background is still while Kylo's is full of fog and falling sparks. Probably different shots from different scenes cut together in both instances.
Iโm not convinced it her ship heโs blowing up. Space scene looks pretty active. People in background behind Leia are walking and relaxed.
Juhzor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:32:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm guessing they two different scenes. The background characters are for the most part calmly walking around in the scenes with Leia, doesn't feel like they are in the middle of a space battle.
Purdaddy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:50:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's what I'm thinking. I just wathced it again, and everyone on the ship in the background behind Leia looked way too calm for a ship that's potentialy going to be taken out. Then again, Leia may be the only one who's aware of what Kylo is about to do because of the Force.
Xacto01 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:52:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We see she is on the bridge of that ship. In his targeting computer, you can see he is locked on to the bridge of that ship.
He is talking about killing his past to become what he is meant to be. There is actually a Zen Buddhist saying about killing your parents, killing your teacher, killing the Buddha, etc. This is metaphorical, but the idea is that you have to transcend your conditioning from each level of teaching to become your own person.
TalonIII ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:26:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's two different scenes. Behind Leia no one is running around which isn't typical for a ship that's about to explode.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:31:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think so, it shows his targeting computer locked on to the bridge of that Mon Cal.
All speculation of course, but this could be how Leia dies. Since Carrie never filmed her death scene, and they aren't editing her in anywhere, it would work to have her die in just a big explosion on a ship.
I bet that happens, then Kylo smashing his helmet happens after that, cause he's pissed at himself for killing his parents.
It's 100% different scenes. If Kylo's squad was attacking, you think the people behind Leia would be just walking around like they are? Different scenes.
KTimmeh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:32:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If it isnโt, they gave away some big plot lines. But that isnโt what Disney or Lucasfilm do. Everyone went into TFA thinking Finn was a Jedi, because of misdirection.
I would go that far. It was done well enough to have everyone talking. And itโs not insensitive, as Carrie would want the movie hyped in anyway she could help.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:14:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am hopin thatโs near the end when Kylo makes a heel to face turn
bl1y ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:59:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably the same seen because of the targeting computer.
Shinto_P ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:09:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Considering that Kylo is close to shoot on that bridge, it would mean that it is vulnerable after a fight (with more ships or just Kylo? idk).
So maybe those scenes are connected but I can't be sure of course.
Anyway, for a flagship to become vulnerable, they have to get pretty serious damage. For that indication in the trailer, the bridge crew behind Leia is pretty damn relaxed. If there were a possibility that the bridge could be hit directly, I doubt that they would behave like that.
Maybe it happens before Kylo attacks. Might be that Leia is trying to talk to her son. We'll see ^
Could be but the Resistance fleet looks fucked up. Leia is helpless and Kylo is targeting the bridge of the ship. They could be reaching out through the force which is why Kylo is hesitating. At which point, some other final blow is dealt which kills Leia and destroy the resistance flag ship. Kylo goes ape shit, turning on the First Order fleet, disabling it and escaping.
zrizzoz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:17:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When I look behind Leia, I don't see the panic of a ship under attack. This may be because the scene was done after Carrie's death, or it may be because its 2 different scenes
Iโm venturing to guess that the Kylo/Leia scene is def two different moments. Looks to me like Leia is probably hearing that her plans to have Finn infiltrate the First Order has failed and now sheโs second guessing everything (or sad at the mistake she made allowing Finn to infiltrate).
But that Kylo/Rey moment to me feels like a dream sequence. Based on his scar Iโm thinking she doesnโt know what he โactuallyโ looks like so sheโs dreaming of him the way she assumes he would look after their first encounter on the Star Killer base.
While I'm not too sure about the Kylo / Leia scene (even though, let's admit it, even before Carrie died, there were rumors that Leia would be badly injured, so she will probably die from those injuries), the Kylo / Rey scene light looked like they matched each other.
Now, it's a trailer, they may have include many shots not from the final cut (ร la Rogue One), or even could go as far as shooting misdirections especially for the trailer.
Not even close dawg. What do you think is lighting up her face? A flashlight? Or that fire (which glows orange, just like the lighting on her face) raining down from the sky?
Kylo is standing somewhere where there's fire literally raining from the sky. Rey's not. I don't think they're from the same scene. Like Luke says, "This is not going to go...the way you think."
Kylo doesn't have a scar in that scene, so it's either a flashback or a vision.
Edit: saw a still shot and can see the scar now. My bad.
[deleted] ยท 286 points ยท Posted at 02:10:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you look closely he does. He doesn't have that black stuff that was shown earlier but that could be some sort of Warrior paint or healing item like a band aid?
Do we think without it, is as healed as it's going to get, so technically this is after? When he has it on could be when the wound is still pretty fresh.
myhihi1 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 03:10:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm thinking that scene is near the end of the movie and his skin grew back. It's basically high-tech stitches if that ends up being the case.
joecb91 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:50:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looks the same as we have seen in the promo pictures too.
I bet that scene with the black stuff is early in the film; the FO goes to Takodana (?) once they find out where the Resistance base is. This is only days after the end of TFA so his scar is fresh (maybe some bacta tank sessions) and also when the space battles weโve seen take place. The resistance tries to flee as Kylo leads the assault. Heโs about to take out the lead ship when he senses Leia and canโt do it.
Ecko09 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:10:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup, it's probably close after their duel in 7 when it didn't heal yet, then later in traielr we see it healed.
TOGHeinz ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 02:11:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He does have a scar in that scene. The ambient color looks the same on both their faces too. It's a soft orange glow. I think it may be the same scene.
Yes he does. It's much more healed looking than in the tie scene where it looks like a carbon fiber band aid, but I just checked, scar is there for sure.
Sepik121 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:26:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
agentup ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:39:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I bet that's a fake out, Kylo looks like he just got done exerting himself, maybe fighting or running. Rey looks like she's chilled out sitting by a fire.
Yes, but I didn't believe it. Especially since the Kylo shot had things on fire falling down and flickering light, while Rey's face has a consistent glow on it. I think its a fake out. I don't know who Ren would be reaching his hand out to, but if it's not Rey, my money is on Luke.
Hmm, interesting point. a lot of the shots of Leia we've seen are on this ship so it seems like it could be from anywhere in that time.
mdp300 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:05:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AND WAS THAT A KYLO/REY MOMENT?!
Amyga17 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:08:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
MAYBE IDK GET HYPE
mdp300 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:14:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
OUR SHIELDS CAN'T REPEL HYPE OF THAT MAGNITUDE
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:04:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nope. She's dead
Aero-- ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:59:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Assuming that is the same scene, it looks like Kylo and Leia are communicating telepathically through the force, kind of similar to Luke and Leia at the end of TESB. This special connection between Kylo and Leia was depicted as well in "From a Certain Point of View" or one of those books leading up to this movie.
Kazziuz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:08:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That first shot of her really punched me in the gut ๐
Kylo orders an attack on Leia's ship, realizes his mother is on said ship, attempts to save her because he feels guilty from killing his father, fails to save her, finally results in either being pushed away from or further towards the dark side.
I have wondered for months if she would get killed off... I'm so anxious to see what happens to Leia. Part of me hopes she does have a heroic death, something that was intended even before Carrie died. I can't see anyone else filling that role.
I don't think it was! The lighting looked similar, like Rey and Kylo are both near a fire, but in the background of Kylo's shot there is smoke, fire, and debris raining from the sky whereas Rey's scene seems more tranquil. I'm guessing it was clever editing
He definitely looks way more like a deformed human than I had thought.
JamesLLL ยท 108 points ยท Posted at 02:14:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Serkus, Smeagol, and Snape all begin with S's. Serkus is inhuman confirmed.
Edit: I meant Snoke, but this works too. I've been writing a midterm all day and words unrelated to Spanish women's settlement patterns in Colonial Peru and Chile are hard.
woofle07 ยท 70 points ยท Posted at 02:31:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snape?
TORFdot0 ยท 138 points ยท Posted at 02:37:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You didn't know that Andy serkis was secretly Alan Rickman?
chegs81 ยท 67 points ยท Posted at 02:39:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He truly has tremendous range.
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 02:54:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like Hugo Weaving in Cloud Atlas. He's literally every character.
chegs81 ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 02:57:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And who played Hugo Weaving in Cloud Atlas?
Andy Serkis.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 03:21:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm tired of Sith Lords being deformed! Can we once have a sexy looking sith lord? Like I know it's not, but is it subjectively required for a Sith Lord or even Sith Apprentence to look crazy as shit by the end?
The darkside can exist in charisma too man.
Protagonists of Kotor, Kotor 2, SW Jedi Knight, etc... all crazy looking mf'rs. Kylo has that weird ass nose.
GOOD NEWS SEXY PEOPLE!!! YOU'LL NEVER BE ANGRY ENOUGH TO BECOME A SITH LORD!
After finally getting sucked into the Planet of the Apes movies, I'm excited to see more of CGI'ed Andy Serkis. Dude is really working hard to push the limits of technology and acting. Mad respect for him.
Really a pioneer in his field. He has earned all of his successes.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:29:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, why? He put on the motion trackers, that's all. He didn't invent them. He didn't refine them. Mad respect for his acting but he's simply trapped in this kind of role, that's all. It's not like he was protesting Hollywood Hills 24/7 for the use of motion trackers before he got the roles.
Props because he seems to have been the one to really start pushing the idea mainstream. And he really seems to love it. It's cool that he doesn't just brush it off as not important work and claim it's all him or whatever. He genuinely seems to love working this way and love working with people to push the boundaries and blur that line between tech/acting.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:10:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo Ren? Yoda? Vader? The Emperor? Himself? Lucas did say at one point that Luke was the most powerful canonical Jedi, after all. Maybe that's why he's in seclusion; his own raw power with the Force grew beyond his control and he's unfit to teach someone as powerful as Rey if he can't control his own powers.
But Vaders power wasnt really raw at the time Luke saw it, was it?
Tesrab ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 11:44:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Vader's powers never really got honed. They were always a bit wild. I mean in the end he was still the guy who beat Palpatine, so even nearing death he was more powerful than Luke who got his ass handed to him by Palpatine. Daddy steps in and says I got this and throws the fucker off a ledge.
UNSKIALz ยท 370 points ยท Posted at 03:19:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Surely it's Ren? Referring back to how such power ended up betraying him at the academy he taught Ren at.
He thought he could guide such power but he knows better now. That seems to be the message.
Yeah. People are reading waaaay too much into this thinking itโs Vader. Yes Vader was strong, but even in the original trilogy Luke goes toe to toe with him in the end and ends up beating him. Vaderโs also been dead for years at this point, and Luke definitely feared Vader during the OT trilogy.
Itโs referring to Kylo, who obviously has a past with Luke that we just havenโt learned about yet, and who had already done things weโve never seen before (like literally stop a laser bolt in mid air and pull thoughts from an acidly resisting human).
Luke didnโt respect Kyloโs raw ability, and something happened to turn him to the dark side. Idk why people always need some crazy twist to be satisfied. Thatโs a really solid story already and I would love to see it fleshed out. We still have no idea what made Han and Leiaโs son, who was likely trained by Luke, turn to the dark side.
zegma ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 08:06:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We did see Vader catch and return a laser bolt in rogue one however. So he was capable of it "before" kylo technically.
Revanull ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 11:15:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also, he deflects/blocks bolts with his bare hands in ESB on bespin
To be slightly pedantic Id call those more deflections than the extended freeze and absentminded hold that Kylo did.
Regardless, and more importantly, Luke wouldnโt have been aware really of anything that Vader did in Rogue One; certainly not first hand anyways. He wasnโt even aware of the force until a third of the way through episode 4, and wasnโt in any position to judge power levels until over halfway through 5.
Do it would really weird for him to say that phrase from the trailer regarding Vader and not Kylo.
Don't think Luke knew about that, but still one of the coolest Vader feats
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:10:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed. Just the term "raw power" makes it seems obvious, to me anyway, that it is Ren. Luke saw Vader as a very disciplined Jedi, not one learning to derive potential from raw power, the way a young Jedi at an academy would.
Obviously Vader had that raw power; it just wasn't raw anymore when he first met Luke.
For all intents and purposes, Luke defeats Vader. He doesnโt kill him, but he could have. He fully overpowered and disabled Vader in single combat, and only didnโt kill him for reasons unrelated to the physical combat itself.
Syphon8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:23:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He overpowered and disabled him so much that Vader still had the strength to kill the most powerful force user of all time.
Sidious definitely would have killed Luke if Vader hadn't intervened.
He overpowered and disabled him so much that Vader still had the strength to kill the most powerful force user of all time.
This is taking being pedantic to an entirely new level man. Have you even watched the movie or did you just read a synopsis?
Luke chopped Vaderโs fucking sword hand off and beat him down to the point where Sidious and Luke could have a lengthy pause as Sidious tried to talk Luke into killing Vader as Vader literally sat crouched over, motionless, defeated.
And Vader killed Sidious by blind siding him when he least expected it and threw him down a pit in one fluid motion, whereapon he sat back down and fucking died.
Assuming he tried to teach the way the prequels did and Ren betrayed him then and now going more of a Yoda type of Teaching
Ladnil ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 05:53:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He tried to teach Kylo the old Jedi way, failed, ends up trying something different with Rey, so she's not a Jedi and the movie's title refers to Luke.
IronYax ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:48:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
this sounds good actually
[deleted] ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 04:10:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But why would Luke be scared of it? He ended up defeating "Vader" and restoring Anakin to the light side. Nothing that happened would be the cause of any fear.
He didn't defeat Vader. In fact, it was painfully obvious he couldn't. Lord Vader ended up converting to the rebel mindset, committed regicide, and basically killed himself in the process. All Luke did to "defeat" Lord Vader was be born, do things for a couple decades, then eventually get beaten within an inch of his life by his distant father until his father couldn't take it anymore. If Vader hadn't that moment of pause, Luke would've been dead and that'd be it.
It's actually really weird that Darth maul is the only sith Lord in the movies that was defeated when not holding back. All the others were holding back for one reason or another. Palpatine told Dooku to hold back in episode 3, and Vader held back in both episodes 5 and 6.
But yeah in other words, luke has never seen Vader's true power. Leia has first hand in the comics in the Vader Down series when he took on a whole army by himself though.
skywayz ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:30:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How was he holding back in episode 6? Itโs been awhile
You have to read between the lines a bit. But knowing how powerful Vader is in both continuities it's implied that he was simply holding back just because luke was getting to him. He was taunting Luke and Luke didn't gain the upper hand until he snapped. Also, he wasn't as offensive as he was in episode 5.
That's exactly it though, he defeated Vader by seeing the good within him and restoring Anakin to the light. Vader being physically more powerful is irrelevant in this case, there's still no reason for Luke to be afraid of his power.
Yeah it being Vader doesn't make sense. Everybody wants to read so much into it and talk about "misdirection" but it's almost definitely the obvious thing. He's talking about Kylo or maybe he had another great student. Right after he says it they show him reaching out of the rubble and the next shot is him watching the Jedi temple burn. It's Kylo Ren.
That would actually be really cool. I had a sort of similar thought when I threw in the idea of it being another great student of Luke's other than Kylo. It would be a really cool twist or reveal if Kylo wasn't the reason things fell apart with the new Jedi academy. And with Luke's quote from the teaser about it being time for the Jedi to end, it would be kind of awesome to see something unexpected like that happen.
Tesrab ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 11:47:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Could be Palpatine. Luke beat Vader only to get beat by Palpatine, who was then beat by Vader.
Edit. I don't think either is referring to Rey or Ren, but Palpatine and Snoke. Luke went after Palpatine with all the gusto and arrogance of youth only to lose.
Still not really a ton of reason to be scared, and Luke never even witnessed Palpatine's raw power.
Where as with Kylo, he not only had plenty of opportunity to witness that power (which we know Kylo has), but also a very good reason to be scared of it. Seems pretty obvious.
It's definitely Ren, but if you want what I believe is a more fitting second choice, it's Snoke.
After Jedi, Snoke calls out to Luke as he does to Palatine, Luke finds him but doesn't fear him after all he's been through and released him. Snoke betrays Luke but is too weak to destroy him, turns Kylo.
Luke started the war that killed his students, his best friend, and inevitably his sister because he arrogantly released Snoke believing he was powerful enough to stop him.
Yeah totally this. Why would he describe his own dad as having 'raw power'? By the time Luke met him Vader had all kinds of control, there was nothing raw about him. Except his skin I guess. Definitely talking about Ren who busted up his Jedi Academy.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:59:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's unique in that his mental powers are incredibly strong, but not necessarily the physical ones. He lost a fight against two completely untrained people, but could also extract information directly from the mind of an actively resisting adversary and put a powerful Force-user to sleep with ease. I think he's powerful in a much more subtle way than most Force-users we've seen.
If you go by this trailer, then you're probably going to have a bad time. I suspect there's about zero chance that any of what we saw can be successfully placed in the movie with the context we've been given here, aside from maybe her handing Luke his lightsaber.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:32:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I sorta respond to this in an above comment, but I think he's referring to himself, while that dialogue refers to facing Vader, it could well be his own power he now refers to. He is after all the most powerful jedi.
The problem with this is we've seen everyone's displays of power. We know we never saw Luke with some amazing display of the Force (I don't think his blowing up the Death Star was a show of raw power), the most amazing display he's seen in the original trilogy was Vader throwing the Emperor over a ledge as the Emperor fired lightning at him and that ranks right above Yoda lifting the X Wing on Degobah and Obi Wan turning into a pile of clothes and in each of those situations he either was scared or didn't have a reason to be scared. The quote literally only makes sense if he saw an amazing display of the Force and was happy about it, then later found out it was a bad thing. Especially considering he is referencing it while teaching Rey, someone untrained in the Force, to be a Jedi.
Could have been, perhaps, though even that is up for debate. It's pretty well accepted that Vader never reached his potential before being put in the suit and getting his power level hard capped.
I also think it's canon that Luke is the most powerful Jedi - not sure where I read it, but it makes sense canonically, even if we didn't get to see much of his badassery in the originals. Perhaps this new movie will show us this.
Pre-suit Vader had off the charts potential, but his power never actually reached that cap. Post-suit Vader, from what we've seen from the books, comics, and Rogue One, is much more powerful than Anakin was but has a lower power ceiling.
Think of their power like:
Anakin 5/10
Vader 7/8
Anakin could've reached a 10 eventually, but got burned to a maximum of 8
I agree Anakin was more powerful than Obi-Wan, but not more powerful than Yoda or Palpatine. Obi-Wan wanted to go fight Palpatine because 'Anakin was like a brother.' Yoda wouldn't let him fight Palpatine because he knew he would get his ass kicked.
YODA: Destroy the Sith, we must.
OBI-WAN: Send me to kill the Emperor. I will not kill Anakin.
YODA: To fight this Lord Sidious, strong enough, you are not.
OBI-WAN: He is like my brother ... I cannot do it.
YODA: Twisted by the dark side, young Skywalker has become. The boy you trained, gone he is . . . Consumed by Darth Vader.
OBI-WAN: How could it have come to this?
YODA: To question, no time there is.
OBI-WAN: I do not know where the Emperor has sent him. I don't know where to look.
YODA: Use your feelings, Obi-Wan, and find him, you will. Visit the new Emperor, my task is. May the Force be with you.
Remember, though, that that entire conversation was about training HIM. He wasn't afraid of training to become a Jedi. It had nothing to do with Vader.
My guess is that he's spooked about his journey as a Force user. He has control of himself, but he doesn't want to put another powerful Force user on that path, especially where the seductive power of the Dark Side is in play.
I think that also takes in account of special effects at the time, he was powerful but they didnt have neat cgi etc to show it i mean, look at the light saber battles ..kinda..old
Roskal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:30:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't make much sense to be Vader though.
diggerB ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:31:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except he beat Vader, so he at least matched him in power. Kylo destroyed everything, and in the trailer, was referred to as extremely powerful just seconds before.
Interesting, I always liked seeing how The OT can seamlessly blend itself into the ST. For the record, I think the PT blends in real smooth into the OT.
Maybe Vader. The trailer cuts to a buring pyre that's Luke's buried under. Kinda a juxtaposition with Vader being burned at the end of VI.
stagfury ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No way, Anakin pre-Mustafar had the potential the be the greatest of all time but at that point is weaker than even Obi Wan.
Vader is stronger in actual power than Anakin, but has a much much much lower ceiling than what Anakin could have achieved if he was never maimed. And he's nowhere near Sheev's powers.
So if it's not Kylo Ren/Luke himself, the only reasonable choice is the Emperor.
I'm going to say this, I think he's trying to convince Kylo that he is on the path to "Vaderdom". I don't think he actually sees Kylo as being as powerful, its definitely Rey he wants, but Kylo is the means-to-an-end for Snoke. He just has to convince Kylo that he is the next Vader until he gets his deformed hands on Rey.
Kylo I would think. He didnโt take caution in the power kylo had and got stabbed in the back because of it. I think he is scared that Rey may do the same.
Jorhiru ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:25:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, for sure. My take is that, thematically, there's no misdirection at all - two masters in the force are speaking to and preparing to train their star pupils. Snoke is building Ren up, reminding him of his power and, at the end, reminding him of his destiny as a user of the dark side of the Force. Luke, on the other hand, is all but consumed by doubt and regret. He won't train Rey, he can't - it's too dangerous (sound familiar?). The last bit is symbolism, and it's what will bring Luke around: no matter the danger, if he doesn't try to guide Rey, she will end up finding guidance elsewhere - and ultimately that presents a greater risk than turning her away.
itaveL ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 03:02:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel it was Vader because he was young and naive (in the forcE) when he fought him in a power battle. In Return, his duel with Vader was more mental, as he wasn't trying to defeat him but convert him instead.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:50:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At first I thought it was Vader but by the time Luke encountered him Vader was crippled. Now donโt get me wrong even a crippled Darth Vader was powerful (almost any other Jedi/Sith in his condition would be force blind). But Lucas once said Yoda was a 100 Anikin a 200 Sidious and Luke 150 and Vader 75.
I would assume Luke is talking about either Kylo or Darth Sidious
though I believe the Emperor hid his power during that confrontation until the end and Luke may not have much appreciation for the powers of the Emperor while being blasted by force lightning.
So we've been led to believe. A lot of that, as far as I'm aware, is just audience inference. It isn't really stated explicitly anywhere in the movie so it may not be completely true.
I like to think he's referring to himself, and how he was unprepared when he started on this journey. His rush to face Vader, his rush to master his Jedi powers. While it's no longer considered canon, much of the expanded universe after Return of the Jedi showcases more of his rush to understand and master the force, his first school, Kyp Durran... for much of his young adult life, until a decade or so after rotj was him not fully understanding the immensity of his power and the mysteries of the force.
So yeah I think he's referring to his own missteps along the path of the jedi. His power was so strong (as you said in Lucas's comments to his power as a Jedi), that he never questioned or truly worried about it until it was too late, hence his seclusion now.
Well since at the beginning Snoke uses the same "raw power" term I assume it's Kylo Ren. There's no way they would have that dialogue echo in the movie (let alone a trailer) if they weren't referencing the same thing.
I guess there's an outside chance the Snoke knew Vader and is also talking to Rey, but that seems hackneyed.
If it's not Vader I'm going to be upset. Vader was literally a prophetic, born-of-a-virgin force that both ended the Republic and the Empire. If Kylo is supposed to be somehow stronger than him just to add tension to the new film (like star-killer base had to be bigger than the death star) it'll be disappointing.
ericwdhs ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:37:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think Kylo and Rey having more raw potential than Anakin could work, but it depends on how well they extend the existing lore to explain it. Yoda, Palpatine, and Vader were some of the most powerful Force users to ever exist, and they all died around the same time leaving quite a large Force-sensitivity vacuum. Kylo and Rey were born within a few years after that and their power might be the result of the Force trying to fill it. It has a "will" after all, and I don't think The Force Awakens has really earned its title yet.
Also, being the Chosen One doesn't mean Anakin has to be the most powerful Force user ever. His importance has more to do with his actions than anything else. He more or less destroyed the Jedi Order, the Sith Order, the Republic, and the Empire. No one else is going to touch that level of influence.
He was 50% force DNA and had more midichlorians than anybody. Anakin and luke are definitely top tier
ericwdhs ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:33:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, he's obviously top tier. I'm just saying that other people reaching that level after Anakin's gone doesn't break the narrative.
Also, assuming the Darth Plagueis story is true, Anakin was created as an unnatural manipulation of the Force. One of the big themes of Star Wars is the natural triumphing over the unnatural, so I don't think it's crazy for the natural to be able to match what became Anakin. According to Lucas, Luke has the same potential as Anakin despite some dilution of his "force DNA" so I think that could be evidence of that.
Hope Luke's power/mastery does not get diminished. Not sure how misleading the trailers may be but it seems like a completely different Luke from the version who allowed the force to guide him to confront Vader/Palpatine and come out on top. Now he is hiding away and fearful? Leia's force abilities are already basically written off. Anakin's children with a twins connection could have accomplished so much...
It's obvious that The Emperor is who he's referring too. Luke, in VI was willing to die in the belief that he was doing the right thing, not joining the dark side. He's already had one failed student, now he has an even more unstable student, plop, right into his lap. (hence him being much more afraid.) I really like the idea of Rey being a Palpatine. It would be a nice twist. It's always been the Skywalkers versus the Palpatines.
RHPR07 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:10:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just want to see a Palpy love story that really humanizes the Emperor.
Right now I'm thinking that it could be Snoke. A lot of people are saying it's Kylo because of what happened to Luke's Jedi order, but I don't think he's that powerful. After all, he failed to tap into Rey's untrained mind. And Snoke and Kylo had to have met somehow. It makes sense to me that Snoke would've been involved in turning Kylo to the dark side, and would've helped him destroy the temple. Hence, Luke would have encountered him. Plus I think this would establish Snoke as being an even more menacing villian. Just my thoughts on the matter.
I think heโs gotta be talking about himself. As the son of Vader, the literal chosen one, heโs gotta have a lot of power, if not more. His reasoning is that if he, the most powerful force user weโve seen thus far, canโt train a dude like Kylo Ren without him being a bad guy, then he should just go into seclusion. GOD IM SO HYPED.
I'm gonna go with the obvious choice of Luke not being afraid of Kylo before, but being afraid of Rey now.
But I don't think that ties into the theories about Luke knowing who Rey is. Because he's kind of talking to her like he doesn't know who she is. But those theories were about how Luke did know who she was and was responsible for dropping her off on Jakku.
Who should he have been afraid of? Darth Sideous? Darth Vader? *No. Fear The Dark Side"
Yoda's lesson was to fear the dark side, and its ability to corrupt people who seek power.
Who will he not underestimate this time?
Kylo? Kylo is his former student. Powerful, but nothing compared to Luke. He doesn't seem totally committed to the Dark Side yet. Kylo killed Han (Rey's Hero) in front of her. She might want revenge, but Kylo has little power to sway her. Think back to ROJ. "Strike him down and your journey to the dark side will be compleeetee".
Rey? He wouldn't be training Rey unless he was 100% positive she wouldn't turn to the dark side. He really doesn't want to make the same tragic mistake again.
This leads us to Snoke. Snoke corrupted Kylo. Snoke will try to corrupt Rey. My guess is that Snoke will offer Rey information on her parents, or will use that information to corrupt her.
i honestly think it makes more sense that it's kylo ren. like, obviously they're going in a direction with "the jedi is an inherently flawed institution" and it didn't hit luke until it took one of his pupils to massacre everyone. it just makes sense that luke FINALLY opens his eyes to how fucked up the jedi are and how easy it is to fall to the dark side when you live like that, how he SHOULD have feared such raw power, and he didn't, and he learned his lesson in the most painful way possible.
it shows luke still never learned anything until it was too late, which would account for his demeanor in everything we've seen so far.
i get that it harkens back to the line in empire about being afraid, but i think what makes that line so powerful here is that even after DECADES, he never listened to Yoda, and the end result is kylo ren's fall and his exile and everything between the new order and the resistance.
It's odd, because if it's referencing Kylo (which the trailer directly insinuates with the burning wreckage of his temple) then it absolutely should apply to Anakin, but if it's referencing Anakin then it's odd that it would apply to Rey and NOT Kylo, who has shown clearly in personality and in skill that he is truly Anakin's legacy.
I don't really get it haha.
EDIT: Oh wait, maybe I'm assuming that he's talking about Rey with his initial reference, and that's the point of discontinuity that's messing me up. If he's talking to Rey about some power that maybe Rey tells Luke Kylo has shown, Luke could be referencing Vader's infamous "I'm not afraid of you - You will be" line targeted as his current fear of Kylo Ren.
I think that one makes the most sense
IronYax ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:33:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
my money is on palpatine, to be honest. At least it's what I hope
The trailer begins with Snoke saying Kylo has "raw untamed power".
There is a clear history of Luke getting burned by Kylo going rogue.
The alternative, Vader, doesn't make much sense I don't think. Luke never really underestimated Vader, and even if he did, he didn't really get burned in a way that would lead to a comment like that in my opinion.
It has to be Kylo in my opinion. He said something along the lines of not fearing a power that great before, and Im 100% positive he feared Vader and Palpatine and never once underestimated them. And he wouldnt really fear yoda so. Kylo it is.
joecb91 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:58:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Since they seemed to be implying it to be raw and unrefined power, I think he was talking about Kylo instead of someone fully trained like Vader or Yoda.
And showing his hand coming out of the wreckage of what seemed to be the Jedi Temple.
Definitely Kylo. Snoke has been referring to Kylo's strength as "raw" since TFA. Maybe it's just a word choice, but I don't remember anyone else being described that way. Why that adjective? Disney has been really picky about their dialogue and this is the best choice narratively.
It's definitely Kylo. The whole point is that Luke feels guilty for screwing up Ben's training. He's saying that he isn't going to make the same mistake again.
Gizimpy ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 02:42:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well if it scares him, it would mean he has fear in him. Wonder if it leads to anger.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:09:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I imagine he's talking about Vader (once before) and comparing him to Snoke. I don't think Kylo or Rey would have the amount of raw power yet to scare Luke.
JakeM917 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:16:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We know that Luke is going to, at first, refuse to train Rey, so I imagine heโs saying Kylo was extremely gifted, but he wasnโt afraid enough and Kylo eventually destroyed his whole new Jedi order. Now he feels responsible for Kyloโs wrongdoings and sees the same situation with Rey, and this time refuses to train her because he doesnโt want to teach her to harness her powers just to turn to the Dark Side.
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 04:53:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uh
This is Disney and JJ Abrams. Girl power demands Rey be the strongest character in the history of Star Wars.
When Luke was talking about seeing raw power like this once before he meant Dagobah swamp Dark side cave. There is probably a place stronger on Ahch-To island that he's reluctant to enter. He's been waiting on Rey.
Also those white dogs/foxes are covered in salt. Not ice
jzagri ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:52:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"It didn't scare me enough then" talking about Kylo.
To put Kylo Ren on the same level as Palpatine is, honestly, a bit of a stretch. That's some Dragon Ball levels of power creep.
JakeM917 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 03:07:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No heโs saying Rey has amazing raw power, and the last time he saw that much raw power (Ben), he wasnโt scared enough. Now heโs scared of Reyโs power.
Actually I think he means overall (not just force) power, and he's comparing Palpatine and Snoke. He didn't appreciate the type of power Palpatine had and he will not make that mistake with Snoke. Maybe.
I kinda hope this is it honestly. I don't like the idea of Kylo or Rey being considered the most "raw power" he has seen. He lived in a time with Yoda, Sidious, Vader, Obi-wan... It would be weird comparing these legends to kids.
He could be using the term "raw" to mean untrained or undisciplined, not necessarily pure potential
JakeM917 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:20:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We know that Luke is going to, at first, refuse to train Rey, so I imagine heโs saying Kylo was extremely gifted, but he wasnโt afraid enough and Kylo eventually destroyed his whole new Jedi order. Now he feels responsible for Kyloโs wrongdoings and sees the same situation with Rey, and this time refuses to train her because he doesnโt want to teach her to harness her powers just to turn to the Dark Side.
sbowesuk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:51:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What Luke said wasn't in the context of "last time" though. He said "I've seen this raw strength only once before". Obviously that statement is drawing on his entire past, and therefore all force users he's seen Yoda, Vader, and Darth Sidious, who were all exceptional.
Does Ben Solo have more raw strength than the three characters named above? Nope, not even close imo. Even with some level of training, he couldn't match Rey, who had zero training. She actually got the better of him twice in TFA.
For this reason I don't think Ben Solo is the logical answer, and even if it were the answer, it would be (for me at least) a vastly underwhelming one.
sbowesuk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:25:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Considering Luke has encountered some exceptional force users in his past, like Yoda, Sidious, and Vader, I'm unconvinced that Ben is deserving of such praise, if TFA is anything to go by. He got curb stomped twice by Rey, who had zero training.
Luke referring to Sidious makes more sense to me. Perhaps The Last Jedi will make Kylo seem less weak this time around, but for the moment I remain unconvinced.
bteeter ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:24:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Emperor or Vader. Going with the Emperor. He didn't take him seriously and got fried up.
Luke later: โIโve seen this Raw Strength before...โ
Luke also: โit didnโt scare me enough then...it does now.โ
-Path to the Dark Side: fear>anger>hate>suffering
Begin speculating, you can.
mag1xs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:17:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kind of annoys me that Luke is scared of anything, he's supposed to be the strongest of them alllllllll.. I don't care if you are old Luke, you were the chosen one
swyx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:08:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not true. A lot of people watched those cartoons. There was lots of LEGO for her. Is that not mainstream?
armcie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:09:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If they're faced with a choice of adding a cartoon character that a few people have heard of, and making up a similar new character that literally no one has heard of, why not go for the cartoon character?
[deleted] ยท 146 points ยท Posted at 03:07:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Damn... I would guess, if that were true, that Chewie would die in IX sacrificing himself to save Kylo as he couldn't to save Han....
drunkmom ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 12:56:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He does die in the book Vector Prime saving Han and Leia's son Annakin. I'm not sure if that's cannon, EU, or whatever but it would be an interesting nod to the books.
Ah interesting...... hmmm.... I mean, they've been pulling in some EU stuff, Thrawn was the one I was thinking of as the most prominent, but it would be an interesting element to bring into the cinematic universe.
Like Han's spirit living on through Chewie, just enough to protect his boy...
Haggisn ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:18:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly?
That'd be really cool!
I'm worried that this will turn into another redemption story, which this series has plenty of.
If instead Rey joins the First Order or if Kylo leaves in some capacity, perhaps as a double agent or something.
With redemption story I mean that the entire story is about turning Kylo back to the Light. If he runs away from the First Order realizing the mistake he's made, it can both imply just how fearsome the First Order is and it can be a nice switcharoo.
More than possible. That's a quarter-century of wiggle room, so it's not even borderline. She could definitely still be kicking around causing trouble at 70. Big difference between 70s and 90s.
Not that I think there's even a 1% chance she's in this trilogy.
I should probably make a post out of it at some point. Snuck backstage after Filonis panel to get his signature, he ended up drawing a picture in virtual darkness in about 15 seconds
But they haven't shown her in any capacity in the films. She's a stranger to the audience who have only seen the movies. That'd be a pretty tough character to shoehorn in, since she should've been a major part of either the prequels or originals if she hadn't been written in after the fact
I mean you can exposition your way out of almost any situation, but it would still be jarring and confusing to suddenly reveal that Anakin had an apprentice that had never been referenced or even alluded to in the movies. It'd be similar if they revealed Obi Wan had a wife and children during the events of the OT but it wasn't revealed until it was convenient for the plot 30 years later. The big Darth Vader reveal in Empire was successful because they still had a huge air of mystery around the Star Wars universe and hadn't exposed every facet of it yet
The Clone Wars were long.
And you can never convince me that a Star Wars fan that wants to know every detail of the franchise like that hasn't watched the cartoon in all these years.
For a casual watcher like my mom that doesn't know English, she doesn't even care who any of the characters are.
If u actually watch the scene she very clearly walks away into a cave. The showrunner has made said her return may be Gandalfian I that she may not be what she was
tang81 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:29:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do we want to know what a 70 year old Ahsoka looks like?
In EU average lifespan of Togruta was 94 years. No canonically established lifespan. Way more likely Ahsoka get a nod in some prequel down the line, but someone mentioned it, and I mentioned I would die
tang81 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:25:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would love to see her on the big screen. We need some closure to her character.
mag1xs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:15:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm out of the loop. What does Ahsoka have to do with an ice fox-ish creature? Is that something from the Ahsoka book? I keep meaning to read that but haven't gotten around to it yet.
ETA: Never mind, I see the explanation further downthread. I'm behind on Rebels too. /shame
I never watched any of the animated stuff, why do people have a chub for Ahsoka?
fperrine ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:10:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Her character starts off rather annoying, but she grows on you and Anakin. She goes through a lot, earns herself her own book and appears in Rebels. She's a long-running character that people have come to enjoy.
Hubers57 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:14:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Disengage disengage!
bionix90 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:15:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
IT'S AHSOKA!
JamesLLL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, why? I don't remember anything like that.
ZebZ ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 02:15:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Watch the season 4 trailer for Rebels. It features a wolf type creature prominently, and people were speculating that somehow Ahsoka became a shapeshifter.
Hawvy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:12:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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wwfmike ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:26:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lucas pioneered large scale movie merchandising before Disney did.
Xanny ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:32:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In all honesty though, there are few properties as guaranteed to make ludicrous ticket returns as Star Wars. They could put white noise on screen for 90 minutes and make a billion dollars with this movies title.
Selling toys isn't a good excuse if it makes the film worse, because the movie itself is going to make at least a 4x return from box office sales alone.
Beorma ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:14:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As you said, they can put any old crap on the screen and people will still watch so why should they care about integrity?
Because they bought the franchise for 4 billion and plan to make way more than that so ruining the series would not be in their interests for a quick buck.
Beorma ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:05:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a safe franchise. They cut and pasted plots from previous films to create Episode 7, received widespread criticism for it, and that hasn't made much of an impact on excitement for the next film.
You would have to try really hard to make people stop watching Star Wars.
ChronX4 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:10:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just wait until they team up with the Hatchimal guys to make them hatch out of eggs.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:41:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
sabasNL ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:18:46 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me too. I also really didn't like the CGI of the AT-M6s, nor the hangar at the very start of the trailer. Am I really the only one who isn't happy with the footage we've seen?
I felt the same. It just looked so unbelievably cgi next the Chewy... which is what it is, I'm aware that it's cgi. But putting an alien beast live action character in a costume from the 1970's next to a cgi alien thing just looks really out of place.
I hope they aren't including a bunch of cgi little alien creatures just because they have the ability to. Like I can't imagine it being necessary for advancing the plot if there's a shit ton cgi little creatures running around.
Hawvy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:14:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let's just hope we like them. I trust they'll have a certain significance though
Just comfort yourself with the theory that they are Chewie's emotional support animal after the death of his best friend. Then you won't mind them so much.
The Porg developed organically because the island they filmed on a is a puffin sanctuary. They are all over the place. It is hard to get a shot with no puffins in it all the time, and they can't just move all the puffins out of their nests. Not to mention, the crew fell in love with the puffins while filming.
So they went with it, and make a Star Wars version of the puffins they could CGI over any puffin a shot, and then the crew really fell in love with the art design, so they went even further with it.
Lucasfilm would sell a million Star Wars toys with or without the Porg design.
flynn_dc ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:33:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In 1977, Artoo was a comic relief cure sidekick, and he was perfect. It's okay to have something cute and scrappy, even if it means they sell toys.
Don't think it will. I think the porg was just how they explained and covered the puffins from Skellig Michael, and then in turn gave one to Chewy for something to do on the island. They're just going to market them as toys, but I don't think it'll be a part of the plot.
_Zaayk_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:55:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
right!!! with everything that happened that was the biggest thing i remember from the trailer lol. they look so... cool โ๏พใฎ๏พ)โ โ(๏พใฎ๏พโ)
Hawvy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:55:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I immediately saw a Lothwolf covered in ice. But I'm sure that's not the case
feenicks ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:39:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone is referring to them as "Ice" - but is there anything other than assumption on that? To me it just seems crystals, like they are silicon based or something. Same with the ground on that planet with the red powder under it... not ice, just crystal?
I could be wrong of course, and it could be ice... but just wondering if the assumption of ice is based off some actual knowledge im unaware of, or if it is just people seeing it and assuming it is ice?
But, what if they expected us to catch on that it was misleading? That they expected us to say โnah, Rey and Kyle would never team up, thatโs misleadingโ? And so since we think THAT, itโs not going to go the way we think, meaning the trailer is actually accurate?
They finally did it. Disney owns all of the space in my mind right now.
xraig88 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 04:33:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So what are we, some kind of โthis is not going to go the way you thinkโ
I was thinking during the game how much I'd hate to be an announcer when one of them said "hey Siri" and sounded like an idiot. Then they tried talking star wars and sounded more stupid.
blueindsm ยท 2874 points ยท Posted at 02:02:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HE TRIED SPINNING!!!! IT'S A GREAT TRICK! JUST LIKE GRANDPA! WEEEEEE!!!! YIPPEEEEEEE!!!!
gyutop ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 02:49:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That could be it. Just came to me, maybe a scene from the burning temple flashback? Ill have to go back and check if there's a scar.
EDIT: Scar is there. Can't tell on Rey's outfit though.
JBaecker ยท -48 points ยท Posted at 02:50:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Originally they might have had Luke going evil. But with Carrie Fisher dying, Iโm starting to wonder if they have her turn evil, ship goes boom and Leia needs a mask, just like dear old Dad. And sticking her behind a mask means they can keep her around for 9.
I wished they'd just CGI her like they did Tarkin. They did a great job with Tarkin, and I'm sure Fisher wouldn't want the overall story to suffer because of her passing.
Given the vehemence with which they said they wouldn't, and they weren't recasting, I'm pretty sure she buys the farm in TLJ. Although probably not how it's presented in this trailer, because this thing is full of misdirects.
[deleted] ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 03:04:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think that whatever they originally had planned for Leia, she will be killed off in this film (as a goodie, not a baddie) for an emotional send-off to both the character and to the actress herself. I reckon if Carrie were still alive she would have been in Episode 9 but sadly her arc would have to be changed due to her death.
Holovoid ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 03:11:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm going to sob like a bitch even more than I did when Han died in TFA when Leia dies.
It could be literally anyone. It's probably not even a major scene. Maybe he's just asking one of his underlings to hand him something. Maybe a character we haven't met. Why would we assume it's anything just because they cut it next to a shot of Rey?
Look at his face in that scene too, it looks soft and kind, an expression we have not seen on his face until now. I could believe that the scene is not misdirection at all
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:16:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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gyutop ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:18:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like that. I saw someone say that he hates Luke and Finn too much for it to be one of them, but that would make it better.
I thought that too but at the same time the light sources in their eyes match up. She has two lights in her eyes, then a light on her right. Then when they have the reverse shot with kylo, he has one light source coming from his left and one behind him on his right. Might actually be the same scene.
Yup. I am also expecting Luke to have serious PTSD and that final offering of his hand by Kylo is going to be him asking Luke to help him rescue Rey who is revealed to be Kylos sister.
I agree.... but since they made that the final shot of the trailer I definitely think Kylo trying to appeal to Rey will be a major plot point in some shape or form.
lmust14 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:26:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Given their exchange in the lightsaber fight of VII, I'd say that's a safe bet.
[deleted] ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 02:28:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It might not be. I think Rey going dark is the route a lot of people are hoping they'll take, and it's certainly a good way to diverge from the original trilogy. It's probably why Rian and Mark didn't want people to watch tonight's trailer.
Ahh, so they had to stack the deck against Luke to finally have a fair fight. 3v1
walktall ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 02:40:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You really think theyโre going to let the first female Jedi featured in the movies become evil? Like, I get it would be interesting, but letโs return to reality here.
mistrj13 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 02:54:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah there's no way that she'd actually become evil, she's become a female cultural icon from the first movie and is like a role model for young girls...making her a villain doesn't work, especially because they clearly established HER as the main heroine of the new trilogy, more than Finn and Poe.
nah dude going dark side is independent af Rey dont need no light
stagfury ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's not needing light and going grey/neutral and embracing the power Revan held.
And then there's joining Mr. Angstypants.
JBaecker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:53:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thereve been a few Dark Empire theories. She does it to try to understand Snoke and Kylo and loses herself. I doubt thatโs it but theyโve already borrowed from EU and changed what they want, so...
Look at the colorization of each one of their faces. They are in different locations. Rey is prolly with Luke by a fire near the beginning of the film
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:55:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seems unlikely. Rey seems to be lit from a constant lightsource, like a firepit or a lantern while Kylo is lit by the firestorm occuring around him, one being more of an orange/yellow hue while the other is red. Looks like two separate scenes to me.
I said a long time ago to my friend that I was hoping Kylo would be redeemed and Rey would go dark. It'd be a nice change I think. And I could have the satisfaction of waking him up in the AM and telling him I was right.
Kylo is definitely reaching his hand out to the Porg we saw on the Falcon. Teaming up to take back his dad's ship. Episode 9 will be all about Chewie trying to get it back.
Im on the fence about it, it could be after the first order attacks auchtu and its how Rey meets Snoke. After their confrontation she could change her mind.
kelloggj ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:59:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think they purposely changed the color of the lighting on her face to make it seem like the same scene
Does TFA share plot points with ANH? Yes. I'm not arguing that. The similarities are there to accent the differences in characters and organizations. Rey raised herself, her sense of selflessness and wonder is from her nevet having a moment to relax as she was growing up. Luke was raised by an upper middle class farming family. Kylo Ren is just starting his path to the dark side, Vader has been there for 20 years. The Empire is methodical, abd nearly surgical in its use of the Death Star, the First Order fires Starkiller Base the moment it is finished, and not just a single core "demonstration". The Rebel Alliance, while small, is effectively an actual rebel group, the Resistance, even smaller still, is Leia doing her best to Gault the First Order without the bureaucratic tape the New Republic would place on a military organization. Tarkin is 100% certain the Empire will win the Battle of Yavin, so he stays to his doom. Hux begins to flee the moment he realizes the base is doomed.
And then there is the last bit: what is the main problem in this story? Both are answered in the first paragraph of the title crawl:
A New Hope is about destroying the Death Star. The whole film hinges on it.
That's what I hope and expect but at this point if they just shot their full load with this trailer I wouldn't be surprised. Hopefully they won't spoil too much, maybe the director saying don't watch was the real misdirection lol. Cartmanland of movie trailer watching.
Lob_Shot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:56:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's probably notable in some way that we haven't uncovered yet, but there appears to be scarred Kylo and weird-carbon-fiber-line kylo
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:24:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe that's what they want us to think.
bionix90 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:13:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's a double curve actually. Yes it's from 2 different scenes, but they will more than likely have some sort of partnership. If you read the book for The Force Awakens it's super obvious that they are going to be some kind of thing.
Canadeon ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:21:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am thinking Kylo gets ditched when Snoke kidnaps Rey to be a better apprentice. Kylo busts her out with Luke (who lets face it is probably going to die or something), then the two of them, light and dark, are going to take down Snoke and the First Order.
ASH503 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:36:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like it, but doesn't really leave anything for IX does it?
Canadeon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:41:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The whole taking down Snoke/FO part would be 9! Don't forget Death Star 49 will be a big problem also.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:16:54 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've been thinking about this reversal too. Basically, I think Kylo will redeem himself and Rey will fall. The ongoing theme of Star Wars is temptation, failure, and redemption and the only person to "Redeem" right now is Kylo and the only person to fall is Rey.
moschles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:14:00 on October 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or they totally could have just said that to stop the speculation that her character dies in episode 8. They aren't going to spoil it, but they weren't just going to sit by and say nothing about Carrie passing away.
And all hopes to see luke, arguably the most powerful being ever, fight and kick buts and do badass stuff in a modern day movie are gone.
Ruckus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:51:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Poe will be 'activated' and is a agent for the first order.
He is on the dark side of the poster and he has a black X-Wing... just saying.
kapxis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:08:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There needs to be a badass display of Luke's power this movie. He's always been talked about as powerful but it's never been really 'shown' in anything mainstream.
That Rey/Kylo thing looks like it's going to take the RotJ ending and say, "What if Luke had taken Vader's hand and they took down the Emperor together?" That could be pretty fucking cool.
ribi305 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:51:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here's my theory: Rey and Kylo will team up against BOTH sides, to bring down Snoke and stop the fighting between the First Order and the Resistance. I would love to see two Jedi against the universe, and it would make so much sense with the theme of balance in the force.
That said, I think others are probably right that the last exchange is actually two different scenes cut together. Still hoping they do something interesting and not just Kylo tempting her to the dark side before she saves him.
doom2060 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:31:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And Finn will be the true last jedi (I can dream)
Veternus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:17:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're most likely killing off on original trilogy character every episode, Han, Leia then Luke in Episode 9. :/
It was undoubtedly planned like that forever. The trilogy is purposefully mirroring the OT as a theme. So inevitably some neckbeards are gonna riot over that.
Imagine if Rey goes dark and Boyega ends up as the protagonist for 9. That'd be great.
eyehate ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:03:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
don't forget that ep8 is still a disney production. I doubt the movie is going to be much different in tone compared to ep7.
remember the first age of ultron trailer? made the movie look dark as well when in reality it was very much like the first avengers.
iirc, the story goes that during production she asked lucas why her character isn't wearing a bra and his response was that in space the body would naturally expand under zero gravity and the bra, unable to expand with it, would suffocate you, therefore space faring peoples wouldn't wear one.
she spun it as a beautiful way to die because when life gives you lemonade you spit that shit right back in its face.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 21:10:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Carrie Fisher would appreciate this comment so hard, I just know she would.
[deleted] ยท 184 points ยท Posted at 05:30:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 20:33:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Genuine question: what's awesome about her? Last I heard, she was very bimbo-like on the set of Star Wars -- didn't really get into the role, didn't take it seriously, generally acted like a teenage girl too good for sci-fi, etc. But maybe I've been mislead by some random commenter.
vayyiqra ยท 90 points ยท Posted at 21:29:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She was a lot younger then. She became beloved by fans later on because of her rough life (alcoholism, drug use, bipolar disorder) and her openness and sense of humour about it. She was just a very endearing person.
It's interesting, this seems to be an appropriate amount of soon. You know, it's not too soon anymore. It's been a while. The acute part of the heartache and grief is over. People will always carry that with them... and yet we can laugh at jokes like these, knowing Carrie would laugh too
idk why I wrote this, i just have some feels today
I donโt know. Regardless of her real life passing, spending the new trilogy killing off the cast of the original trilogy seems like a really bleak plan. This isnโt game of thrones. It seems like it would be playing to peopleโs expectations way too much.
Sipstime ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:23:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This has been my theory for a long time. I had heard rumors and reports on the various starwars news blogs that in order to lessen Fishers screen time (likely because theres just not much for her to do in this film, given its focus on Luke and the new trilogies characters) they were going to have her hit in the attack (a big explosion) and hospitalized/unconscious early in the film. Perhaps she was set to reawaken later in ep8 or in ep9, but bc Leah was already hurt badly in this film, when Fisher died in real life they just had her character not come out of recovery and simlly pass. How they will reference it in nine idk, but i bet the source of her death is in 8.
Not because kylo kills her in that scene, though. Kylo dies there while Leia watches. Then she dies in bed of despair. Just gives up knowing han and kylo are dead.
Rogue one: Not a jedi
TFA: this is what i'm talking about.
I meant in Star Wars movies as a whole.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:21:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Notice what Finn is wearing when he attacks Captain Phasma? Is that a First Order uniform? I wonder if that means he goes back either undercover as a spy or actually rejoins for a brief time?
I was concerned at first, but the trailer looks good. Cautiously optimistic.
For context I loved TFA. The mirroring of ANH was intentional in every way. This looks like, while keeping the dark tone of the middle chapter, we'll get some new things.
I wonder if Rey will turn dark, and Boyega will end up as the true protagonist by the last film. I'd like them to try something bold like that, but if they don't it's fine.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:56:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I had only seen the first trilogy (sorry if I am using the wrong wording, but I mean ANH, ESB and RotJ) once each, and only a little bit of Phantom Menace and RotS, so I felt like I had some idea of what was going on enough to go see Force Awakens, and I was really entertained by it, even though I'm not well-versed enough to be a diehard fan.
But now I'm so happy I have seen what I have, because this looks like SO much fun.
After Force Awakens, I thought it said May or Winter 2018 or something, and I was in not great health and it made me sad because even if I wasn't dead, I might not be in good enough health to enjoy it. I didn't even know this movie was coming out this December until maybe two months ago, and now that I am feeling better and will for-sure be alive barring a freak accident, I am really really psyched.
I'm bummed because it had the exact opposite effect on me :(
I'm still going to see it, but I don't have any hype for it since I wasn't a fan of the two movies that came out recently, and this trailer really just hit a lot of notes I didn't like.
I totally agree and yours is the only critical comment Iโve seen in all the threads lol. The hype is real and thereโs no room for anything else.
It just seems kind of lifeless to me, not unlike TFA. No character or soul. Very action-packed, almost too much (very Avengers-y...) and not very unique (red snowy dust and spikey tunnels and screaming furbys do not make it โuniqueโ). From the trailer at least, it lacks the spirit and โfeelโ of the originals and yes, even the prequels.
Right? I just don't feel the magic, at all. There's so many callbacks to Empire and the original trilogy and it makes me feel wary because of how overloaded Force Awakens was with its 'homage' shtick. It just feels like an action sci-fi romp and another 'well, it's a fine action movie, but not a good Star Wars movie.' It's like I feel attached to so little with these movies that the only thing they could do to surprise me is actually be good.
I couldnโt agree more. I actually liked the first 1/3 or so of TFA when it was just sort of the intimate simple journey with Rey. But I found the first order utterly unthreatening and try hard, especially the red headed leader guy and to a lesser extent Kylo. Couldnโt believe they threw away Hanโs entire character arc from smuggler to caring General to have him go BACK to being a smuggler, then kill him. The only part I really liked about it was Rey. Iโm getting the same space-action-but-not-really-Star-Wars vibe with this one.
I thought the opening with Poe and Kylo was neat, but there's got to be some power creep going on when your two new characters are doing new shit that wasn't even like imaginable beforehand. Like, I just don't want it to turn into some weird Matrix shit where shit happens just because 'idk power i guess.'
I feel like the First Order is sort of in a weird spot because they're somehow both the last vestiges of the Empire but also so is the Resistance in relation to the Alliance... so what changed?
Personally, the only character I really liked was Kylo, because he was interesting and didn't get as robbed as Finn did by Rey showing up and being the best at everything on her first try because chosen one - not to mention Poe disappearing for the whole movie except to do flips and shoot stuff.
I feel like if they either did VII as a bridge story that led into a trilogy going from VIII - X or didn't number it and just called it The Force Awakens, it would have solved so many problems.
To me, it really only served to connect the original trilogy to whatever they're trying to do now and there was absolutely not enough weight in plot on its own aside from forcing tons of questions to be answered later. By removing the numbering or the idea that it's the beginning of a new trilogy and instead making it a set-up, reintroduction movie, it removes all the expectations that it didn't live up to and it would have gotten so much more hype. Like, imagine if it was just a taste of things to come and they still had a whole trilogy to sort out whatever kinks we thought were there? I'd be feeling so good (or at least cautiously optimistic) about this movie compared to how I feel about it now.
Actually the First Order is a lot more progressive and they consider โscumโ to be an insensitive term.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:53:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Huh. The more you know.
ardx ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:18:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Calling them the "Resistance" legitimizes them as some sort of freedom fighters, when they are actually the terrorist arm of an illegitimate government.
Loving how the soundtrack is evolving. There's a lot more weight to Rey's theme now.
[deleted] ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 06:04:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was always an awesome piece of music. It had a kind of tragic innocence, loneliness, nativity, in TFA as we see her travel home from work and make dinner, all that stuff.
I will never understand the whiners saying TFAโs soundtrack had no new themes worthy of John Williams. Also Kyloโs theme, while very simple in TFA, did exactly what it needed to.
You're not alone. I pre-ordered the elite trooper edition and after playing the beta, I'd have upgraded to the elite trooper addition if I had only pre-ordered the standard.
I'd have bought it for the star fighter assault mode alone.
Flying on theed is rough because of the tall buildings. First you need to be able to gain control of the skies, and then you need to be able to identify and engage ground targets with the confidence that you won't crash.
That's a lot to try to learn in a gamemode that is mainly infantry focused. The way to get better at flying is going to be the starfighter assault.
Ecko09 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:36:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm with you. I couldn't give less shit, game is awesome, I'm getting it day one.
Veternus ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 09:19:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snoke: "Vader never told you what happened to your father"
Luke: "I killed him!"
Snoke: "No... I am your father!"
Luke: "A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one."
Snoke and Luke hug and cry
AT-ATs, snow, millenium falcon flying inside caves/asteroids to dodge TIEs, Rey going into a cave in what looks dangerously like a dagobah scene, Rey confrontation with Snoke (?) that echoes the Bespin duel, the mega-star destroyer that's like the Executor BUT BIGGER (so original!)...
I saw snow so I'm going to overreact and assume it's just a copy of episode 5
I can legitimately see this happening. Like the snow and the new AT-ATs are going to be huge sources of criticism for people.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:50:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously though, while I hope it's not, there are a few things in the trailer that point to similarities with ESB. Like the scene at the end (though we don't know whom Kylo is gesturing to) and Luke could become a reluctant teacher, like Yoda after the raw strength scene. Granted, it's very likely this is all a misdirection but still.
With all this talk about "destiny" they might actually get away with that one.
The Sith lord getting an apprentice that eventually kills him and thus become the new Sith lord, who in turn get a new apprentice that eventually kill him...
Can't believe how everyone still make the same mistake after ten thousand years.
I mean the lighting of the two scenes are so different that I feel like it's obvious that they aren't in the same shot. Honestly ruined a perfectly good trailer for me cause it feels like they edited it that way just to bait people.
deafis ยท 2009 points ยท Posted at 02:02:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Freddit- ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 02:26:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's still dealing with knee pain. He's a very strong QB who doesn't slide on runs. He's out of practice too. They need to let him heal up fully before putting him back in. Keenum's doing fine for now.
Man even coming from a Sooner, he's peaked and should hang em up.
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 02:54:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Last two years were literally his best and healthiest.
DViddy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:27:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Coming from a Cowboy who watched that dumb Hesiman spin jump moment in person at Boone Pickens and died inside... I always wanted him to be successful because he seemed like a nice guy but he needs to stop.
It just hurts the soul watching a school legend and Heisman Winner drop down untouched to save his body. SAVE YOUR SOUL TOO SAMMY B!! CLIMB OFF THAT FIELD AND BACK TO OUR HEARTS!
Sam Bradford looked totally out of place. Like, the 4th row trombone player got lost one day after practice and ended up in the middle of the locker room and saw someone else's pads and tried them on, not bothering to resize them for his smaller frame.
Darth_Ra ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 04:45:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The NFL should stop playing.
(Note: the signature is a bet i lost in /r/cfb, and refers to the Red Raiders. As previously stated, the NFL Raiders should stop playing.)
GoOoOoOoOoOOO RAIDERS!!!!
the2belo ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 08:57:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
kneels
Darth_Ra ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:24:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, that's the thing I'm least upset about. Players can kneel, stand, or do cartwheels for all I care. The fact that it's been blown out of proportion by everyone involved (and especially so by those not involved) is the only part that makes me angry.
The NFL at large is actively screwing over their fans while simultaneously blackmailing their communities and the tax payers. Add to that that it's the most boring iteration of football and the 85 different commercials I have to slog through to pad the pockets of the same team owners who claim they can't afford stadiums...
Yeah, screw the NFL.
GoOoOoOoOoOOO RAIDERS!!!!
marcohtx ยท 414 points ยท Posted at 02:04:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space battles look dope. The Finn vs Phasma set piece looks amazing! I think all the spoilery things with Rey, Kylo, and Leia are all red herrings, and are different scenes spliced together. Nice to see Snoke in the flesh.
Iโm going to go out on a limb and say that the Resistance has attacked Snokeโs stronghold and that Kylo is extending a hand to Snoke to help him up
Luke and Rey were untrained, yet the force basically rushed into them to do great things. Luke turns from a farmboy to a crack pilot in days. Rey fucks off a desert planet and holds her own against a trained darkside user in a week.
Undirected, unfocused, pure force power just flowing into these people like a broken dam...I would be scared, too.
Do you think it's because Vader so drastically reduced the number of force users? Like it has fewer outlets, so it has to flow harder from the few it does have.
From everything we've been able to understand about the force, I don't think it works that way, as appealing as it sounds. It does kinda remind me of the Four Pests Campaign conducted by China ~60 years ago.
The Great Sparrow Campaign (Chinese: ๆ้บป้่ฟๅจ; pinyin: Dว Mรกquรจ Yรนndรฒng), also known as the Kill a Sparrow Campaign (Chinese: ๆถ็ญ้บป้่ฟๅจ; pinyin: Xiฤomiรจ Mรกquรจ Yรนndรฒng) and, officially, as the Four Pests Campaign, was one of the first actions taken in the Great Leap Forward in China from 1958 to 1962. The four pests to be eliminated were rats, flies, mosquitoes, and sparrows. The extermination of sparrows resulted in severe ecological imbalance, prompting Mao to end the campaign against sparrows and redirect the focus to bed bugs.
That had nothing to do with there being less spread out midichlorians. The Rule of Two made the Sith stronger because, by killing their master, every sith was obviously more powerful than their precedents. A master trains an apprentice. If the apprentice manages to kill the master, that shows he was more powerful. If the apprentice of that guy killed him, then he was even more powerful. And so on and so on until you get an extremely powerful sith.
Whereas if you didn't have that, a bunch of weak trainees team up on the master and kill him. And then instead of one very powerful sith, you get a bunch of weak siths running around. And then they get destroyed because of internal fighting.
It had nothing to do with the force being contained in less individuals.
Daxx22 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:32:22 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That had nothing to do with there being less spread out midichlorians.
Lets just agree to ignore that altogether :P
The Rule of Two made the Sith stronger because, by killing their master, every sith was obviously more powerful than their precedents.
The author seemed to abandon it in subsequent passages but during Bane's initial conception of the Rule of Two he theorized that too many Sith were diluting the power available, and drastically reducing their numbers would allow the Force to flow more strongly through those left. Works both ways potentially, and as the Bane books aren't canon anymore we'll just have to wait and see if there is ever a canon explanation.
I know :( Ever since the first trailer of Force Awakens I've been holding out hope for an incredible Luke force god scene or something, but I guess they're going the "new generation is stronger" route this time. Hopefully they still make him a badass though
It would take away from the story if Luke or Snoke were near unstoppable uber badass force gods I think. The EU was more malleable and such characters could be worked into the stories.
Of course. I'm not asking him to move black holes or whatever he was doing in Legends, but it'll just be a bit disappointing if Rey - a brand new Jedi - already turns out stronger than Luke was after like 30 years of training
Nihht ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 12:00:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a nice idea but that would kinda fuck up this entire trilogy if they did the same thing, like what significance would Rey have if Luke was stronger than her.
RHPR07 ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 12:17:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think Lukeโs a spiritually broken man. Heโs still Uber OP just has a confidence issue, heโll train try and find the confidence within himself again.
Either that or he just needs a good woman, Mara Jade anyone?
Nihht ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 12:21:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tbf I would be fucked up if my apprentice murdered all my other apprentices and went off to destroy the republic I had dedicated my adult life to safeguarding.
And I would become way more fucked up if I found out that my best friend was murdered by said former apprentice and also literally trillions of people ended up dying because I went into hiding after the first series of events.
I half-expect Luke to be in a catatonic state throughout the entire movie because he's so fucked up by the realization of what he let happen, and the rare moments he actually does something that passes for normal human behavior are the things we got in the trailer.
She doesn't have to be stronger than Luke to have her own story. The fact that she's force sensitive is relevance enough. Take Luke's son, Ben for example.
stalreja ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 03:40:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't the Jedi way not to hold fear? (I don't remember the Yoda quote from prequel trilogy) but isn't Luke genuinely FEARING somebody go against everything he has learned as a Jedi? Maybe this is less about Rey and more about Luke, the experiences he's had (especially with Kylo) has messed with him so much he's lost touch with the Jedi ways, hence being the "Last Jedi"
Edit: watched it again, and I think he's talking about the emperor. He WAS raw power and, no, Luke was not afraid... Even if he clearly should have been
I don't get it when he said he has seen this power before and wasn't afraid enough. I think he meant kylo but the hasn't he faced Vader and the emperor before?!
Is it just me that really doesnโt like that? Iโm personally a fan of gaining power because of something, which is a big reason why I like Revan so much. This whole thing with Rey being Uber powerful kinda feels like episode 6 Luke again โOh shit the bad guy is super powerful so we need to have an equally powerful good guy. Anybody think of a legitimate reason? No? Oh well, just make it happenโ.
Luke is supposed to be one the most if not the most powerful force being EVER. So why the hell is he afraid of anything Rey might do?
Is it just me that really doesnโt like that? Iโm personally a fan of gaining power because of something, which is a big reason why I like Revan so much. This whole thing with Rey being Uber powerful kinda feels like episode 6 Luke again โOh shit the bad guy is super powerful so we need to have an equally powerful good guy. Anybody think of a legitimate reason? No? Oh well, just make it happenโ.
Funny you mention Revan, if Rey had been mind wiped.. Luke could even be referring to her in that quote.
Why would someone throw a kid onto Jakku? Maybe because they deserve it.
RHPR07 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:20:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just had the same thought, I think thereโs potential there.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:53:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair not only did he see what happened with Ben, but he has to know more details from what happens with the Jedi and why they feared his father. We donโt know who Ray is but he could see history going around for take 3
Luke's fear is probably what led him to the dark side and allowed him to be the most powerful force user in the galaxy. But I don't think he's genuinely afraid of Rey... even if he pretends otherwise.
schulz100 ยท 237 points ยท Posted at 02:47:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If there's one thing Awakens taught me, it's that trailers can actually still not spoil. If anything, they can actually misdirect your expectations completely; remember when we all though Finn was going to be the Force-sensitive main character of Awakens? Fucking hell, remember how wholesome Rogue One managed to make itself seem, even in the initial reveal trailer that almost seemed to be lampshading one of the good guys going evil?
The minds behind Star Wars now seem to know how to make trailers, and how to use those trailers to play with our expectations.
I'm looking at this as a masterful example of misdirection until proven otherwise; much like Awakens, they're setting us up to go in thinking things that aren't actually the case in the actual story, just so the reality of the story surprises us all the more because we went in thinking we had a rough idea of who would do what and when.
There are some obvious base plotlines that can't be misdirected; Rey is clearly super powerful in the Force, and that's why Luke will refuse to train her initially. Who else he's referring to is up in the air (he has run into basically ALL the majorly powerful Force users left throughout his lifetime; Yoda, Vader, Palpatine, probably Snoke, Kylo, Obi-Wan), but the point remains the same; he doesn't trust himself or Rey to be able to handle the power she has properly. Snoke obviously also has a major interest in Rey; so much so that they meet personally.
On a truly speculative note, I do think Kylo will go through with it and kill Leia, but that's gonna be his turning point. He's going to realize after that that he actually can't hack it as a true Dark Sider; not because he couldn't kill Leia, but because what killing her stirs within him emotionally. Likewise, Rey may dip closer to the Dark Side than Luke is comfortable with, given her apparently enormous potential, but like him in Return, she won't let herself be totally seduced by it (and they'll obviously come to spats over that). What I think we may be seeing for the next movie and a half is the last vanguards of the old ways of looking at the Force (Luke, but Snoke especially) die off/kill each other while their prospective students/heirs of Kylo and Rey blaze a new trail of rough neutrality in the Force (or at least try to).
Luke and Snoke will both resist, for entirely different reasons. Luke because while he knows that anyone can be redeemed from the depths of the Dark Side (like his father was), the destruction they can wreak while under its influence won't ever be undone. As much as people can be pulled from the depths, it's better for them to never risk falling into them in the first place. Seriously flirting with the Dark Side in search of middle ground isn't the be-all end-all indictment of Force behavior, but it's certainly cosmic reckless endangerment of tons of living beings if you do fall. Snoke because the absence of the conflict between Light and Dark deprives him of both his goal and his reasoning for his power. What does he have to fight against as the latest spearhead of the Dark Side if there's a middle ground to be reached? How does he maintain his power structure and his personal power if there's another path Force Users can take that isn't a total dichotomy of Light or Dark?
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:43:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think that you are exactly right.
The trailer seems to be a bunch of double negatives. So like obviously they wouldn't spoil kylo killing Leia in the trailer. So most people agree that that's probably not going to happen.
But I do think that Leia will die. And I also don't think that Rey is going to go to the dark side like is implied in the trailer, but I do think that she and Kylo will team up together.
It's kind of like the trailer was so obvious in a lot of its spoilers that you know that they can't be actual spoilers, so you keep thinking well it must be the opposite of that, its a red herring. But it actually it is a spoiler, just not in the way you think.
The true plot is how Kylo and Rey, Luke and Snoke, are going to blur the lines of good/evil. This isn't just the continuation of Reys story, its the continuation of Anakin, Luke, and the Jedis as well. The death of the bad guy isn't enough, the inner dynamics of good/evil need to be rearranged.
I do think Kylo will go through with it and kill Leia
It's weird that they would spoil it in the trailer, but ignoring that for a second, this would be a fitting "on screen" death for the character that they could have written and/or created in post after Carrie Fisher's death: exactly as it's shown in the trailer, but with a final wide shot of Kylo's ship blowing up Leia's.
I'd way rather have that than some off-screen death for the character between movies that we hear about in Ep 9. "Oh her? She died."
Best case scenario is that she will die in a similar way, like her ship gets blown up by someone or something we can't yet predict, so she gets a proper on-screen death but not exactly the one they've already dangled out there.
Is it just me, or does Rey being more powerful than Luke not make any sense. Also, Windu was already kinda showed us that mixing some dark with light is chill, so what is Luke afraid of? Personally, Iโm going to continue to hold out for a Boba Fett or Revan movie. Like, what would happen if there was someone hunting Jedi?
Was it really chill, though? I'm not sure if Vaapad is even canon anymore, and I also recall that everyone BUT Mace who tried to use Vaapad ended up succumbing to the Dark Side.
It's also not that Rey is immediately and practically more powerful than Luke (though Kylo is arguably also already more powerful than Luke; have we seen Luke freeze a blaster bolt in mid air?), it's that her potential power is such that Luke makes the point he's only met one other person in his life who was as powerful as she could be. He just didn't know enough then to recognize how truly dangerous that level of power is.
I also feel like Luke is probably going to be against the super-powerful next generation of Force users trying to find a middle ground between Light and Dark, because that's what he probably thought he was going to do, and look how that turned out. That's probably what he tried to build his new jedi order around (he managed it in Return, after all), and that got wiped off the map because his nephew ended up falling to the Dark Side anyway. Luke may well consider the attempt to find a middle ground, or lightly dip into the Dark Side without succumbing to it completely, as more or less a failed experiment that's nothing more than reckless. He knows someone who falls can be pulled back out, but the person who won't fall is too rare to make playing for some sort of middle ground anything but a losing proposition in the long term.
He maybe knows about Mace Windu (but again, Windu is arguably more evidence for a middle ground not working, because he was the exception to his own techniques, not the rule), and he knows he managed to pull himself back from the brink in Return. But he also probably knows how close he came to falling over completely, and the turning of Ben and destruction of the new jedi order probably just cemented worries he already had in the back of his mind that the people who can resist the temptation of the Dark Side are few and far between.
Kylo had problems fighting a non-force user like Finn and was nearly beaten by Rey who didn't have any training yet. I'm still not so sure about his powers... slaughtering younglings together with the Knights of Ren isn't that difficult.
Maybe thats also a reason why Snoke wants Rey instead of Kylo, because Kylo isn't as strong as Snoke hoped.
That's also why I don't think that Luke is talking about Kylo in his "I have already seen such power before"-speech.
I mean, Kylo had just tanked a shot from a gun that killed literally everyone else it shot, and I'd argue he didn't have problems fighting Finn. Go back to the scene and watch what happens when Finn gets a good shot in; Kylo immediately turns it up and just lays him out. He thinks he doesn't need to worry about beating a defector trooper, even if that trooper has a lightsaber. When he realizes he's hurt enough, and Finn knows enough, that he's in actual danger he stops messing around and just drops Finn like a bad habit.
Likewise, Rey was already shown to be powerful enough that she could beat his mind probe; she's been established as at least his equal in terms of sheer potential strength, if not his superior.
Again, it's that question of raw power vs focused power. The kids may well be more powerful pound for pound than Luke is, but because Luke actually knows how best to USE the power that he has, he can still beat them at least one-on-one if he has to. I do still question if Luke is referring to Kylo. If they're possibly setting up that Rey is, like, a clone of someone like Palpatine or descendant of someone important in the general Force hierarchy (hence why she has a destiny Snoke is interested in seeing her fulfill), the line makes sense.
But it also makes sense to refer to Kylo, because he is still quite strong in the Force by literally any standard that has been set (Again, he stopped a blaster bolt in mid-air, and can probe people's minds), Luke thought he could train him properly and make sure he wouldn't be seduced by the Dark Side, and look how THAT turned out.
I love your bit on Kylo. That would be so sick to see him fight against his master. It would get rid of the red lightsaber bad guy for good guys to fight tho.
Maybe the Quintessence is that so much power as Rey and Kylo have can't be controlled by one side... A Light Force user will eventually let his dark side break out, causing massive destruction. A Dark Force user will have a constant stuggle with his actions that are haunting him.
So it is better to have some middle ground were you can release your Dark Side without causing havoc for the whole Galaxy and still doing good things.
There is, though, still that question of "Can you touch the Dark Side and walk away without hurting anyone who doesn't actually deserve the storm of pain and terror that follows?" Luke may have proved it to be possible in Return, but it's also arguable that he's an outlier in that regard, that most who tap the Dark Side get pulled in and end up causing havoc before they're killed or pulled back out by other people.
I do think that for a lot of Dark Siders, there is that internal conflict with all the awful things they end up doing; Vader's conflict that he just kept denying was half of Luke's point in Return, and Kylo trying to get over his is basically his whole character arc so far. It's only the truly evil like Palpatine and possibly Snoke who don't suffer from this.
Legends actually took this in a super-cool, super-f'd-up direction with Legacy of the Force series and Jacen Solo, by proposing a theory of Dark Side Living where personal and impersonal sacrifice would reinforce one's power and one's own self-righteousness. The more totally uncompromising and authoritarian Jacen got (As in, he nearly blew up the Millenium Falcon because he thought he parents tried to assassinate someone, and he was just hitting his stride at that point), the more powerful and sure of his cause he got.
To get back on topic, I'm not denying that trying to find a middle ground would be a fantastic thing for Force Users in-universe, I'm saying I think Luke can and will doubt the wisdom of that plan, and it'll remain to be seen what Kylo and Rey prove about his views therein.
Packers and Lions are going to dominate these two other "football teams" this year.
jedberg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:05:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When I tuned in just before the half, I thought the 3 and 2 were the timeouts remaining, and I couldnโt figure out why they just kept showing that instead of the score.
I wonder if Bor Gullet and Vader got together they could discuss various breathing machines or how the robotic limbs ache when it rains or how much of a bitch sand is to get out of their air filters.
*edit: I got my Gullets and Gerreras wrong. I'll leave it.
If you still think it'll be a remake I don't know what to tell you. Of course they are gonna evacuate D'Qar. The First Order knows where the planet is so the obvious next step is to evacuate the planet. It looks like the FO will meet them in space though instead of on the ground like ESB.
Thats what I thought too. It also means that those scenes happen at the start of the movie, and that the start of the movie isn't long after the battle on StarKiller Base
[deleted] ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 03:18:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean it's funny when it's based in reality, but nobody was saying anything remotely related to that meme. There were no hipster nerds trying to correct you with their "superior" nerd opinion.
It's like you wanted to force the joke so much that you didn't care whether the situation made sense.
Yeah, Iโm not sure what OP was thinking. Like I get he wasnโt being serious, but why even make the joke then? The context didnโt fit in the slightest.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:17:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love that the same dude plays Tuvok.
xarvous ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:43:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Really? TIL
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:23:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. Tim Russ. I didn't realize it until recently. I'd been binging Voyager on Netflix, then watched Spaceballs and was all "wait a minute I know that guy!".
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:46:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HOLY SHIT I HAVE NEVER BEEN SO EXCITED FOR A MOVIE.
Ps thank you mods for making this night a little easier on everyone
Edit: Upon second viewing I will say this. DO NOT WATCH IT IF YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT SPOILERS. IT SEEMS LIKE IT REVEALS A LOT. OR MAYBE DO WATCH IT. Hopefully misdirection. I DON'T KNOW IM JUST EXCITED
The last part is just cut to confuse you. Look at the background. Different setting entirely.
Karpuan ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 02:09:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It didnโt look like they were from the same scene, it was much darker in Reyโs shot, especially considering fire was raining from the sky in Benโs.
Nah...lighting is fire on both of them. I hope you're right. I don't know if I could deal with an evil Rey (of course, it could be great.) Would then Luke have to break out to be the elderly bastion of Hope in IX? So pumped.
The lighting is a dead giveaway dude, you can see the glow on her face in Kylo's direction. The fire is raining from the sky behind Kylo as well, which makes sense.
re-watch it. Both scenes are by some sort of fire, but in Rey's shot it has more of a campfire calm quality. Kylo's shot looks like burning buildings or stuff exploded in the background. I believe they are different shots.
I feel like... yes and no. Take the last scene between Rey and Kylo. Yes, I imagine Rey and Kylo might be cut from two different scenes and stuck together to make us think that convo actually happens. That kind of misdirection is normal and expected. However, that really makes me think that the sentiment of that scene, that Rey needs guidance and Kylo gives it to her, is truthful. I don't think they would waste trailer time and lie to fans about a whole segment of character development like that. Like, they could've had Rey say "I need someone to show me my place in all this" and then cut to Snoke grinning devilishly, and that would be hard to believe. What we got is not hard to believe.
Is it in his contract to cut the trailers? Usually it's the marketing branch of the production / distribution company that makes the trailers, possibly with input from the director.
branj70 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:28:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like in Rogue One's case, it was the marketing company that chose to put a lot of those cut scenes in the trailers. I think it's prety much out of Rian's hands.
sabasNL ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:35:26 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
.Rian does that with a lot of his movie trailers...
Which trailers? The guy only directed a handful, and has never even done a single major film before. I still don't understand why they chose him.
Looper made close to $200mil, I think that counts as a major film...and Brothers Bloom is a pretty fantastic movie as well. Not to mention the Breaking Bad episodes he's done (some of the best of the series).
I'd much rather have Rian Johnson directing than someone like Colin Trevorrow from Jurassic World (who has now been fired from Ep. IX)
sabasNL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:12 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well I don't think the quality of the films is really relevant. TLJ will be the single biggest film of the year, and this director doesn't even have a single major film in his repertoire. Looper is a relatively minor one.
I am a fan of his Breaking Bad episodes, though I'd say only Fly was really good from a directing/editing point of view. Fifty-One and Ozymandias were really good, but that's mostly because of the writing.
And to be honest, Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul episodes are often so perfectly directed that only Fly is noteworthy in that regard, the other two being completely average for BB (which is still really good). The sheer genius of some of the other directors, especially in BCS, is more prevalent.
I'm not saying I don't think he's a good director, I'm saying I don't know whether I can trust him with Star Wars, of all franchises he could've made his first step into major films in. His repertoire is simply meagre compared to JJ Abrams for example. That makes him look very inexperienced, and thus, a risky choice.
It says and shows a lot without revealing anything meaningful. I have no idea what the story of this movie will be but I am hyped to find out. 10/10 good trailer stamp of approval.
branj70 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:18:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am absolutely one of those people, I can't get enough of spoilers. Knowing something ahead of time allows me to see the whole picture, along with picking up the details that the storyteller/writer is trying to show us, without needing to see something multiple times. In my opinion, knowing something before I see it, generates even more HYPE. I knew the main plot points of TFA (thank you MSW) & both times I watched it in the theater, I was on the edge of my seat with my heart racing. It's the exact same with episodes of Game of Thrones. I've gotten into long debates with my fiance about it, I'm totally for knowing all I can beforehand, while she get's pissed off when she gets spoiled.
Its hard to decide what is a spoiler and what isnt. Nothing is super clear other then an epic space fight, combat between Finn and Phasma and Walker assault. Everything else looked like it was cut from sep parts of the movie.
Regarding the Kylo/Rey scene at the end (spoilers if you haven't seen the trailer):
I think her saying "I need someone to show me my place in all of this" is merely a continuation of what she was saying at the beginning of the trailer. So the line would be: "Something inside of me has always been there. But now it's awake. I need help. I need someone to show me my place in all of this."
Whether or not she's actually saying that to Kylo, or saying that to Luke in a cave on the island (and it's just cut to be misleading)? Your guess is as good as mine.
Edit: My wild hail mary guess here is that this is her talking to Luke in a cave or whatever on the island after he storms off ("I've only seen this raw strength once before... etc."), and the end of the conversation would be from the first trailer where Luke says "I only know one truth. It's time for the Jedi to end." This is based off of no evidence, just my gut. (Edit again: She's wearing the same clothes when she breaks the ground and scares Luke that she's wearing when she's talking at the end, so I'm not debunking myself yet. Though I think she may be wearing those clothes when she's being tortured, too, so I dunno. But the light on her when she's talking is pretty static, and when it cuts to Kylo the light on his face jumps around a bit.)
Teyanis ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:35:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think she's talking to Kylo there. The lighting on her is a more yellow, and Kylo's is more red/there's little bits of fire floating around.
She's gotta be at a campfire talking to Luke, trying to convince him to help her.
You're right about the lighting. It jumps around on Kylo's face, and it's static on her face. Definitely not talking to him, at least not in that scene.
bionix90 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:42:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I also think that at the beginning, what Snoke says about raw power, he's actually saying it to Rey.
It could definitely be either, so I don't have an opinion on that one. Both make perfect sense.
Jorhiru ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:16:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it could be either and be fitting, but thereโs something about the way he says he had to look further to see something *truly special * - like everyone knows about the Skywalker bloodline, but Snoke alone considers himself above and beyond all that, and saw even greater potential. Of course, Rey could be a Skywalker too...
Agreed. It doesn't appear to be the same scene. There's falling debris and fire from an explosion behind Kylo, and Rey appears to be in a darker static lit area (no trailing debris behind her). Like she's in a cave and Kylo is at the end of some battle. Deliberate misdirection like the first trailer with Finn.
Considering how long she spent in the desert, all of these temperate climates she's hanging out in lately must significantly reduce her sweat production, keeping her body odor in check. Even in that torture scene she's probably thinking "this hurts like a motherfucker, but at least it's a beautiful 68 degrees in here!"
I moved from hot climates (Arizona and Florida) to New England. Once it got in the 60s, I was like where's my coat? Everyone else was enjoying the warm day in short sleeves.
I was in cross country in high school in the midwest. During the season, a kid moved from Vegas and joined the team. The first cold day we ran it was in the 40s or so, maybe high 30s. We all had our compression shit on, long sleeves, tights, etc. This kid walks out of the locker room in shorts and a tank top. We're all like "WTF dude?". He says "I lived in the desert until two weeks ago. This is beautiful."
So I suppose there are two kinds of people, those that get acclimated to the heat and freeze when they're slightly colder, and those that live in the heat and hate every second and can't wait to get out. It's funny, though. I went to California in February a couple years ago. My wife and I were walking around in shorts and the shirts while everyone else was dressed in what we'd wear if it was 40 out.
Yeah, coming from Florida everyone would break out their jackets and coats when it got in the 60s. In New England people would put away their jackets and coats. People here complain when the weather gets around 80 degrees, which is nice and mild in Florida. Arizona was a bit different since there could be 50 degree swings in temperature between night and day. 105 during the day and dropping to 55 at night.
bckesso ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:10:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree. This seems to be the most likely scenario.
Kleemin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:30:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"spoilers if you havn't seen the trailer" Dude if you are reading these posts and havn't watched the trailer at least 20 times you can jump in a Sarlacc.
Reddit is fickle. There are people in this thread asking if the trailer has spoilers. I didn't think my comment was worth having spoiler tags, but figured I'd mention it lest I get doxxed by some fucking 12 year old that was too dumb to not read every comment about a trailer in a trailer discussion thread.
It's not reasonable that I need to mention it, but it is reasonable to mention it, know what I mean? You don't fuck with internet nerds and their spoilers.
It'll be the same when the movie comes out and the movie discussion thread is up. There will be idiots in there asking if the movie is good that get pissed that a spoiler is posted.
Unnecessarily long and silly rant in response to your comment, but regardless, I feel I put the warning there for good reason.
Arenโt they always wearing the same clothes? Pretty sure Kylo Ren owns either an entire closet full of identical black cloaks and wide banded belts or exactly one of each item (which he hand washes and dries using the heat from his lightsaber).
Everyone seems to be saying there are massive spoilers. I genuinely have no idea what you're all talking about.
-Finn is alive? Duh
-Phasma is alive? Duh
-Rey and Kylo have an interaction where they consider working together? Maybe not Duh but their fates are clearly intertwined, and its similar to Vader asking Luke to join him. I feel like there's always an "offer" of power-sharing between the lightside and darkside factions.
-Kylo tries to kill Leia? Duh.
I'm not trying to be snarky I just don't get it. Everything seems either ambiguous or obvious to the point where it shouldn't be considered a spoiler.
I mean I'm just responding to something that someone said. I think 99% of people knew he was alive. I guess to be fair maybe that person meant "he's alive and well aka out of his comma". Enjoy TFA!
megatom0 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:10:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The biggest spoiler IMO is seeing Snoke and Rey together. That is a genuinely big reveal and probably something that happens in the 3rd act. As someone who has been up to date on spoilers, theories, and leaks, this was something that actually hadn't been mentioned in any confirmed leaks.
its definitely all ambiguous, but if that last scene is to be taken completely at face value, then the notion of kylo and rey actually working together, I think, is spoilery.
But, I dont think they would spoil a major plot point in a trailer like that anyway
Can't argue with that. The fact people avoiding spoilers come onto the new trailer thread, reads the comments and then say "Ermagerd spoilers" frankly baffles me.
I think it's because there was an article that gained traction that erroneously stated that Rian Johnson told fans to "Absolutely avoid it". Johnson outright denied that he told fans to avoid it. Source.
What he said was in response to a question asking him:
you said that we should avoid everything until TLJ comes out.. does that include this next trailer too?
To which he replied:
I am legitimately torn. If you want to come in clean, absolutely avoid it.
But itโs gooooood.....
So I think people believed it to be spoiler heavy when it was really Rian telling people to avoid it if they wanted to go into it free of any foreknowledge.
eoinster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:21:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My only gripe is showing Rey and Snoke together, that I wouldn't have expected and could've been a neat surprise.
Just got off the phone with the intern, heโs writing it up, should have a 500 page in size 8 TNR on your desk by morning, he will take his Vespa to the office
I wish I hadn't seen it. It would have been better going into the movie not knowing what little there was. There are spoilers. Even if there aren't you see very many obvious plot lines.
I feel like it's a mix of misdirection and things you probably already assume will happen just logically. I can get slightly less vague without being to specific if anyone wants.
Let's keep in mind, the trailers for TFA. Disney misled a FUCK TON with those. I'm betting Rian Johnson was talking about the most obvious one that's only technically a spoiler if you have no internet or clue what happened to a certain actor earlier in the year.
ASH503 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:17:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think that part is certainly obvious. There are at least 2 other spoilers/red herrings, and if anyone asks if this is a spoilery trailer, I gotta yes more than not
Two things. 1. Red Herrings for sure. They even flat out tell us. Pay attention to what Luke says in the middle of the trailer. 2. Last will happen first. Look at his face. Something is off.
It pretty much confirmed everything I suspected was going to happen. Luke will be the primary villian and Snoke will be revealed as an irrelevant puppet.
Rey and Kylo won't flip sides, Kylo's gone too far and is going to go further (most likely kill Leia)
Rey won't go to the dark side BUT will linger towards the dark side in a moment of confusion then be brought back after feeling how evil Snoke is (i think this could be a cliff hanger for the 3rd movie; Rey leaving for the dark side)
Leia 100% dies, because Carry Fisher is dead, a way to honor her memory or something. Luke is going to live it out until the end of the trilogy.
We 100% won't learn Rey's parentage but will be still toyed along about who left her on that planet the entire movie, left with the answer for the last movie.
My real question though is WHO IS SNOKE?! I am desperate to know about him and his history. I think he has a major connection to Sidious (I also hope this because he was my favorite character)
mistrj13 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:09:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is the Snoke = Plagueis theory still alive? I'm not saying it's my favorite thing they can do but it's always made the most sense to me. Watching the trailer it still fits pretty well.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:10:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If it's true, I'd like that to be revealed by him killing someone and bringing them back immediately to show off his power, preferably in front of Rey as to really tempt her to explore the force. Maybe even that scene of her screaming bent backwards is her own revival? What's more powerfully convincing than being struck down only to be brought back with the notion of "I can teach you this power"?
mistrj13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:44:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not a bad idea. Originally, I viewed this power as a lie that Palestine just used to tempt Anakin. When I was in 7th grade in the movie theater itโs exactly what I thought to myself and Iโve always felt the same way since, but it seems like people take it that he actually has that power. Obviously if Snoke ends up being him then I guess it would be true, and him demonstrating it would prove it.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:07:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think one thing about Palpetine is that he lied, yes, but also must have had some truths the Jedi tried to suppress. I guess a major point of the Jedi coming to an end is that Luke better understands some of the misguided ways of old, including things like emotional suppression.
Another thing I have considered is that line about Luke not fearing before but now fearing the great power of Rey. I believe he is in fact mentioning Vader in that frightful tone. It could make sense that Palpatine would want Ani/Vader to learn that ability eventually, as to continue his reign should he be bested in combat or killed by an assassin. We see the great dramatic irony in that Vader did not learn this power, and instead was the emperor's downfall.
The emperor may have also only knew of the power of Plagueis, having no actual contact with him, because he was not powerful enough himself to warrant any attention that of the most powerful Sith Lord. He was fortunate to discover Ani through the Jedi he planned to betray, and his old age shows just how old his plot seems to be. He spent a long time doing his due diligence as to become trusted by the Jedi so he might corrupt one he finds to be powerful enough: Anakin. Then when Luke is discovered, being the most powerful Jedi ever, the emperor redirects his attention away from Vader. But he will not simply dispense of Vader until it is clear that Vader would rather rule with Luke than under his great master.
I ultimately believe that the Skywalker clan is so powerful as they are so balanced in the force, belonging truly to neither the Jedi or the Sith but being able to draw both strengths. Most force users fail to balance and fall to one side or the other, as they do not understand the power of the balance. Obi Wan was just as misguided in trying to keep Anakin a Jedi as Sidious was in pulling him to the dark side; ultimately Vader slays both. And the prophecy never spoke of Anakin, he was merely a vessel to bring about the true chosen one, they (Rey) who will bring about the true balance by ridding us of both Jedi and Sith. It seems that trying to balance the force by destroying just one side seems blind to the truth of the negative impact of having only one.
It's definitely still alive, and I wouldn't be disappointed about it.. but here's my take on it (or my points for it and against);
My biggest problem with the theory is two things: Plagueis was a Muun, not a human. Now Snoke is messed up looking, but still looks human and looks absolutely nothing like a Muun. The second problem is that Snoke and Plagueis have two different personalities. "Plagueis the Wise" was disguised merchant and prominent man of business. His dealings in politics and power were all from behind the scenes. That's why he groomed Palpatine for politics and to be the face the republic. Snoke goes by "Supreme Leader" and is more of a Palpatine style ruler.
But again there are many things that support it. For one, Disney considered any history of Plagueis canaan besides the mention of him in episode 3. So they could as well make him not a Muun if they really want. Touching off that, Plagueis was one of the most powerful Sith Lords, and his specialty was to manipulate midichlorians to create life. So it's just possible enough for him to have reincarnated himself into anothers body or new person (something Sith's are known to do in the now canaan SW universe). Either way it could work.
The main thing that points to Plagueis (to me atleast) is Rey's staff. I am 100% convinced Rey's staff is the staff of Darth Plagueis (a reason she may be so force sensitive or a reason that might drive her to stray towards the dark side). And even if Snoke isnt Plagueis, i think her staff is still his staff and if they don't use it for some plot in the movie, it's just an easter egg type deal.
So this is like the third time Iโve ranted about this in this thread, but Rey being even remotely on the same level as Luke or Anakin would ruin the movie for me. Itโs always been pretty obvious that after Order 66 a lot of knowledge was lost, and even Yoda was unsure if it was possible for someone to be born through the force. Thereโs no way Snoke or Sidious made her, and if they use the same โThe midiclorians did itโ from Phantom Iโm going to be pissed.
A few things I think will happen
Rey and Kylo swap
Somebody becomes a Grey Jedi
Luke is revealed to be a Grey Jedi
Snoke is revealed to have been the equivalent of Mara Jade (Emperors Hand) but for force power (Emperors Eye? Head? Mind?)
Snoke is getting knowledge from a Sith Holocron
(This is stuff I personally want)
6. Luke bring Han back (maybe using the Holocron)
7. Boba Fett or a Fett descendant
8. ANYTHING to do with Revan. I thought thatโs what Kylos mask was originally, and I still want it.
I think the trailer implies Rey is going to be more powerful than Luke, based on his comments. Personally I think he's talking about Palpatine with his comments on not being afraid of the power before, because he was indignant in the face of the most powerful force user, possibly ever. I think she will be on a Palpatine or Palpatine-lite level of power. At least an Anakin level.
kanrad ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:09:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
See I gotta disagree here based on what we have seen in the movies. The films are the cannon we as viewers are meant to know and understand.
The most amazing example of force power came from Kylo. To stop a laser blast mid air was nothing short of a stunning display of reaction time and shear power. On top of that he holds it there while continuing a conversation as if it was no big deal.
Luke would have first hand knowledge of his nephews power and must have provided him some degree of training.
That's true. It very well could be about Kylo and probably is. Personally I like to believe it's about Palpatine because Luke wasn't scared of him at all, but Kylo does make more sense. If that's true Rey is far more powerful than Kylo at least from what we've seen. Although it's probable that he wasn't really trying to defeat her
kanrad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:31:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think what Luke is afraid of with Rey is her control of her power. He's seen how that kind of overwhelming power always corrupts the force user. That's what he's really afraid of, not the power it's self, how it can change the person.
In order- maybe, but I could see it being a misdirection in the trailer; I kind of doubt it; I think the former will survive to be in Ep 9; and yeah, I think that will be revealed in the final installment.
bckesso ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:56:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke and Leia take opposite sides on whether Kylo or Rey is the real baddie. At first we think Kylo is going to kill Leia, but BOOM it's Rey that kills her.
0neek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:16:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really hope Kylo and Rey flip but at the same time I can't really see them going that far. Kylo redeeming himself and eventually becoming a good guy perhaps, but Rey going bad is too ballsy.
Luke is the last Jedi because Yoda said so in ROTJ:
Yoda: Remember, a Jedi's strength flows from the Force. But beware. Anger, fear, aggression. The dark side are they. Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny. Luke... Luke... do not... do not underestimate the powers of the Emperor or suffer your father's fate you will. Luke, when gone am I... the last of the Jedi will you be. Luke, the Force runs strong in your family. Pass on what you have learned, Luke. There is... another... Sky... walker.
Looks like he trained some but then fire, lots of fire, so back to last one.
RHPR07 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 12:36:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iโve been saying this for a while, Lukeโs the last Jedi because he was rush trained by Jedi. So although heโs a Jedi, heโs not a fully trained Jedi. Therefore any students of his wouldnโt really have the same training that normal Jedi did since he never really got the fuck training.
I'm sticking to my initial theory that Luke, Rey, and Kylo bring balance to the force by getting rid of the "light" and "dark" sides and mix them together in a sense.
What if it's Kylo that brings the balance by being a mix of both. Rey kills luke, goes dark side, kylo goes light side but retains and uses his dark training since htere's no jedi to tell him how "bad" that is, goes full on darth revan... and kills rey and snoke in ep.9.
I can't see Rey actually going dark side. I always gotta keep in mind Disney owns this and it's probably a bad look if their badass female lead goes all evil and stuff.
I'm assuming thats not something they'd want the little girls who may look up to her to aspire to?
But then again if I'm wrong, no complaints here. Just give me a good movie!
Well they can always make a movie about trade disputes
nvnehi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:47:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I REALLY hope so, that's a better narrative. But it's less likely because they'll want to make movies for the upcoming generations that are easy to understand.
It's sir and I don't know, I don't want to know. I'd like to be suprised. I just don't want them to shit on the balance between the light and the dark, that was supposed to be a big issue in the original 6 films.
Exactly. And I wanna be surprised too but I love to speculate!
I just think the way Luke is weathered and his initial temptation to the dark side in ep. 6 for a second. Also the fact that he (like Anakin) weren't indoctrinated in Jedi ways since he was born. AND with the fact that he tried to rebuild the Jedi and his own prodigy nephew kills them all.
Idk. Star Wars has always been a story of balance and this is one way I could see them going. Like a graying of the Force of sorts?
I'd find it odd that after millenia of jedi and sith existing that the force would suddenly grey. But I'm not ruling it out.
I'm still unhappy that we never got to see a new Jedi order, when I first saw the tfw trailer and Kylo ren and heard about the Knights of ren I thought we'd get Luke, new hero (Rey) and a new Jedi order vs Kylo ren and the Knights of ren.
I'm still not ruling out a showdown vs. the Knights of Ren.
The thought of Jedi Master Luke taking them all on and making them look like child's play would be a great way to show how much his power has grown since ep. 6.
But I highly doubt that will happen so I'm trying to keep my expectations low.
(Edit: Also yeah after all that millennia true but aren't the only force wielding people really left in the known universe all in this movie?)
That would be cool to see Luke open a can of woopass on the Knights of Ren but part of me just wants to see a group of Jedi fight a group of sith/darksiders on the big screen. Like in one of the trailers for the old republic.
eipisode 8, rey goes darkside, kylo gets exiled because snoke's new apprentice is way more capable than him (flees or something before snoke/rey kills him). episode 9 is about both of them finding a balance between light and dark, killing snoke together and becoming the new order of balanced force users, whatever they call it. Setting us up for the next trilogy, tv series, book, whatever.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:41:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Theres no way they have Rey go dark. No damn way. Its misdirection in the trailer.
I can't shake the fact the he's essentially the Snape of the Star Wars world or like Red X in the OG Teen Titans.
He's pretending to be evil to convince Snoke (who wants to use him for his power) he's loyal to him then he's gonna try and kill him.
Then when Snoke realizes this he's gonna try and get Rey to his side because he's gonna expose some dark shit about Luke to her.
My only guess was that Luke is Rey's dad but he killed her mother for some reason?
Kezia89 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:27:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How can he be redeemed without dying? Is there precedence for a character in the Star Wars universe coming back from the dark side after causing so much death and destruction?
Anakin was "redeemed" after his death as Vader, but Kylo would be a living character with the weight of all of the murder he has committed. Most of the characters I can think of... Vader and Maul (sort of?) were redeemed only after death.
I suppose they could try to separate the characters of Kylo Ren and Ben Solo in the audience's minds, but it would still feel quite cheap.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:52:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In EU yes Revan is a good example.
thesaga ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:42:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's clearly misdirection, which means it's either a spoiler in the other direction (they want us to think Rey will turn so obviously she won't) or it's not worth reading into.
I'm aware that trailers are known to misdirect. Especially these. However I think the idea of Rey considering the dark side might be explored in this movie in one way or another.
Porgs have been announced for awhile. The rest is super sleuth stuff from MakingStarWarsโ Podcast where theyโve been told certain things ahead of time. (For example, theyโve known they were called Porgs and what they looked like long before the official announcement).
Nope. Their first appearance is going to be in this movie. Thereโs also a kids book coming out called โChewie and the Porgs.โ A lot of prediction has Chewie devastated by the death of Han and finding solace in his new friends, the Porgs.
If by the new Ewok then you mean flesh eating robot worshipping jungle demons that took down a battalion of one the most powerful armies in the history of the galaxy then yeah... you can call it an ewok.
Okay well every Star Wars movie has them so itโs nothing new. Doesnโt really make sense to blame Disney.
weezy22 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:34:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Really, where are they in Episode 4 or 5? I don't recall merchandise-y creatures in those. Not until episode 6 when George was like "how do I make more money..." *hits blunt "...Tiny. Litle. Bears."
R2D2, Jawas, Yoda is literally a little muppet with miss piggyโs voice, Iโm not sure why them being more marketable or not affects your enjoyment of the movie. Ewoks were probably calculated to be more marketable but that doesnโt make them bad on their own. You could argue having them take down the empire is silly but we have no indication this new little seal thing will be that important. Itโs just a cute little animal that might be good for a slapstick joke or two.
The only time most people agree it was way too much was Jar Jar but thatโs because he was annoying over the top main character, if he had a much smaller role it wouldnโt have been out of place.
weezy22 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:58:19 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
R2, Jawas, and Yoda all fit and make sense.
R2 is a master droid that helps the hero get out of pinches.
Jawas are strange scavengers. Their blacked out faces and glowing eyes makes them for intriguing
Yoda is a tiny creature that is more powerful than he looks because of his understanding of the force. I will mention the "Judge me by my size do you" quote, that helps the audience understand the power of the force a lot better.
They all have a role that makes sense.
Ewoks, they kill the stormtroopers with pebbles.... pebbles... How?
Because George wanted killer teddy bears. Episode 6 would be better if they were Wookies or something else.
I thought I was a huge fanboy, but at least I can criticize and see how the movies could be a whole lot better.
I know people who now only watch the movies because of the gimmicky useless characters that away from the story.
I can criticize them too, I think the prequels are garbage, rogue one needed better characters, the end of ROTJ has silly parts, and I think they could have taken a few more risks with Force Awakens (and not have a 3rd Death Star), I just donโt think adding a character for kids is a problem if it doesnโt get in the way, like I said thereโs no indication this new animal is anything more than a little pet for Chewie or something. I think some people are getting worked up over nothing, like when people were afraid BB8 was gonna be the new Jar Jar.
The various droids, creatures, and aliens are charming to a general audience as long as they arenโt annoying/in the way like Jar Jar was.
Can we just take a few seconds to acknowledge that in just over 2 months, thousands of us are going to see our(and our parents) childhood hero, LUKE SKYWALKER, on screen for the first time in over 30 years?!?!?!
Man...I've wanted to be Luke Skywalker since I was seven years old!
Mackaf ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 08:57:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Technically thr last minute of force awakens counts
This is the real answer. I honestly couldn't tell what was connected cut to cut. If you don't do a frame by frame analysis there's only probably one moment that I'd deem a "plot related reveal"
[deleted] ยท 246 points ยท Posted at 02:02:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gestrid ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 02:18:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who cares?
Tyrops ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:59:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
just because you don't care doesn't mean everyone else doesn't as well
Gestrid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:01:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let me rephrase that:
Who cares? There's a new Star Wars trailer!
Tyrops ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:03:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
good save lmfao
samlee405 ยท 224 points ยท Posted at 02:01:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uhm, a bit yea. One that involves a main character too
Edit: To clarify, I think there's several each having to do with confrontations of various characters. The first of them is most likely a fake out (look at the reaction of the background characters), the second is not a fake out as you see the direct confrontation between the two characters, and the third and last one is almost definitely a fake out.
Probably only for diehard fans because I didn't catch anything overwhelming tbh. Its probably best to watch it once and not pour over it again and again for clues.
I only watched it because I felt like I'd rather see it in person than have it spoiled for me. There's 2 months to go, even with a complete media blackout (lol, like that's gonna happen) there's still no way I'd make it that long without finding out something from it.
jk021 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:17:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed, I'm telling myself that Luke saying "this is not going to go the way you think" is the trailer makers giving me some assurance it wasn't ruined
Do not watch the trailer. I repeat do not watch the trailer!
fisk42 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:06:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly what I came here to ask. After reading some of the replies Iโm skipping it.
Exoslab ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:01:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yah definitely some big plot points shown
deafpoet ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 02:03:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, maybe? Devoid of context there's no way to know what's a spoiler and what isn't. I thought it was a great tease and I don't feel like I know a ton more about it than when I went in.
Exoslab ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:05:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I totally agree with you but at the same time people have many different preferences on what they consider "spoilers." Honestly the trailer was great.
There are a couple of things in this trailer that might be considered spoilers, if you want to go into the movie completely blind, I'd recommend not watching this trailer.
karmacow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:04:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would say if you are like 6 or above out of 10 sensitive to spoilers don't watch. 1 would be watch everything and read the leaks, 10 would be refuse to watch read hear anything.
I honestly don't think the spoilers are bad.... we have zero context and im sure the trailer was cut to be misleading. It shows some interaction of main characters, but that's to be expected.
DeekoOne ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like in retrospect some of it may be spoiler-y (meaning after you see the movie, if you watch this trailer again, you'd go "how could they put those spoilers in there!"), but there's no context with a lot of it, so I thought it was pretty safe. I agree with the majority of people saying the only possible spoiler was probably a fake-out.
There's not anything I would call a spoiler in that it tells you what will happen, but I think it makes you ask more specific questions about what will happen.
Ganadote ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:49:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's no way we can tell if it's a spoiler or intentional misdirection.
There is at least one thing that could be a massive spoiler, but honestly, I wouldn't count on them spoiling it in the trailer. At this point, it's up in there as to whether anything's true or misdirection. Honestly, I would watch it (hence, why I did). I mean, TFA's trailers didn't spoil anything, right?
Uhh... there are major spoilers in this trailer. But they did a pretty decent job of masking the fact that Luke Skywalker will be revealed as the primary villain.
Truth. I've got friends that are Vikings fans and they legit root against the Packers every week. Never see them root for their own team, though. Misery loves company.
Exessen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:53:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're just shitty fans then.
Andy51 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:00:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anakin was so powerful that he could create a fake force ghost while biding his time and waiting for the perfect moment to strike back (as snoke)?!?!?!?
As Rey. Rey is Anakin reincarnated, as his force-ghost refused to break out of the eternal cycle of birth and death that becoming a force-ghost entails, at least after a while. Perhaps he still thought that there was work needed to be done to "bring balance to the force". As Anakin was a incredibly powerful force-user, his "soul" was able to reincarnate mostly intact, whereas your normal souls dissolve in the great ocean that is the force and in droplets are imparted on life upon birth.
[deleted] ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 02:22:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, thatโs the guy from 60 minutes in heaven! Heโd be great in The Star Wars!
SolracM ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:47:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He'd be a good Anakin Skywalker! Hopefully that guy who made American Graffiti can make some really good Star Wars movies set before the originals starring him... Kinda like a prequel. Maybe two or three.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:28:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I read on The YouTube that they were thinking of casting Liam Nelson from Batman and Taken!
Everything about his performances when he's evil make him the perfect bad guy. I haven't seen him live in a movie since Spider-Man, but imagine him dressed in black robes interrogating somebody with his evil voice telling a rebel to feel the power of the dark side as he reaches out his evil fingers, grabs their necks, and chokes them so hard that their head falls off. Then he turns around and opens a can of force lightning on the pack of rebels behind him.
Looks like her white training shirt, not her end of the movie brown and grey robe.
[deleted] ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 02:11:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hopefully. I get that forgiveness and repentance has been a major theme in Star Wars, but I really don't want Rey to just up and forgive Kylo for murdering not just men, but women and children too.
Not really, Luke refuses to train her, she's not going to go to Snoke, so she asks Kylo, who may have realized Snoke would trash him in a second if he could get Rey.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:26:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think something like this is way more likely. Disney wouldn't just hang the idea of a team-up between them in the trailer and never show it. Plus, Rogue One showed they are willing to give Star Wars unique plot points.
The idea of Rey being the Catalyst that turns Kylo back to the light side, and potentially them both creating a new doctrine unlike the Jedi's or Sith is awesome.
Think something close to what Revan and Bastila propose in the Old Republic timeline, where instead of eschewing all emotion, using positive ones, like love and joy, to fuel them. Basically being even more directly opposed to the Sith's philosophy. From a real world psychological standpoint it makes a hell of a lot more sense than just "ignore your feelings, bottle it all up, what's the worst that could happen?"
Rey is the last Jedi. Luke gets killed and then Rey joins forces with Kylo and they create a new breed of balanced force user, no more Sith, no more Jedi.
Kylo will reveal to Rey how Luke decieved him and allowed him to become Snoke's apprentice. Kylo will turn to the light and together he and Rey will take down Luke. Snoke will likely die in the process, but he's irrelevant.
wicket42 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:44:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Imagine if this was a modern day Empire Strikes Back trailer and they put in Darth Vader saying โjoin me and together we can rule the galaxyโ. Would everyone be saying โomg Luke and darth vader team upโ?
FYI. Put a spoiler tag on this. Mods will ban for spoilers. Though, this is just a trailer. Still, just a warning.
semihat ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 04:35:16 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snoke is Luke's son. There was only one parent just like how Anakin was born.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 13:31:01 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except Shmi gave birth naturally, the conception was unnatural but apart from that everything was, Luke making himself pregnant is unnatural in every single way imaginable
If Kylo kills Leia that would kill audiences across the world. Losing Carrie was rough on all us fans, having her get blown up and die in such an impersonal way would be too brutal.
They have already said that CGI and clip recycling for Episode 9 is off the table. If Leia is getting a send-off, they are doing it in this film. I think it would be better to have an impersonal one versus an off-screen one.
Which might have always been the plan anyways. They would never confirm whether she had anything for episode 9 because that would be a massive spoiler for 8.
mblokae ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:29:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No they canโt/wonโt. Theyโve said multiple times they will not be recreating her digitally for IX if Iโm not mistaken. Iโve been thinking since she died killing her via an explosion aboard a capital ship makes the most sense in a way, maybe right as Luke arrives to try and save the day after finally listening to Rey. But they also said they werenโt changing anything in this because of her death and she was meant to have a big part in IX so who knows what is happening.
Gyrro ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:31:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah they said they wouldn't do that out of respect.
The digital thing they did in Rogue One was impressive technically, but it was completely immersion breaking for me, CGI is still not even close to being able to pass a real person.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:22:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tarkin looked way better than Leia, but yeah, you're totally right.
Sure, but how many other ways are there to do it? Kylo stabs another parent with a lightsaber? That's just trite. Unless we're gonna see a character have a dark side moment, the only person to kill her is Kylo (unless Snoke actually does something), and I really doubt the writers would make the death similar to Han's
I think you're right, a death similar to Han's would really be too heavy-handed. I obviously have no idea what happens to her specifically, but I'd just hope for something much more personal. Give the Princess her moment, make it painful but respectful to her character.
Actress is dead so they have to write her out of the story somehow. They can't exactly have her play a pivotal role in the story and if she was alive she would be too important too the story to not appear later. She 100% has to die in this movie.
Oh god don't say that! I'm imagining that Luke's end will actually be somewhat related to the old canon, his exact death was unknown because he had become an outcast and lived the rest of his life in solitude before finally becoming one with the force. I think in the 3rd of the sequel trilogy, he'll have a 'walking away' moment where he is forced to leave, with everyone knowing it will be the last time they see him.
megatom0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:06:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The scene with Snoke and another person wasn't fake or a re-edit you see them in the same frame together. Even as someone who fallows Star Wars Leaks I hadn't even heard anything like that. So to me yeah that is a pretty big spoiler.
EC101 ยท 65 points ยท Posted at 02:02:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If we're talking about the question scene at the end then there's somewhere in the region of a 0.2-0.5% chance that it plays out like that in the film. They're not going to put something that big in the trailer.
Acheron13 ยท 144 points ยท Posted at 02:04:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did you think Finn was going to be the jedi after watching TFA trailer also? Very clear how a lot of the scenes shown in the trailer could have been cut together to be misleading.
No, he didn't. He said not to watch it, but only IF you want to go in completely clean. Absolutely nothing in this trailer was a major spoiler because devoid of context and with so much room for misdirection, none of this tells you anything that couldn't already have been guessed.
It's Star Wars, I don't see why everyone is freaking out that they showed the hero being tempted to join the dark side. Especially when the seeds where already planted in TFA.
He had the scar but it wasn't as prominent because it didn't have the black over it. Although now that you mention it, that could mean it may be a dream/vision like Luke in the cave on Dagobah.
Yea i dont know what they are talking about, it was an obvious fake if they are talking about the end, when has star wars ever put in a real spoiler in a trailer?
It was strongly implied that Kylo is going to kill Leia. It was also implied that Kylo and Rey start working together. Rey is also definitely being held prisoner by snoke. Can't say which, if any, are misdirection, but if the Director is to be trusted one of those is probably the spoiler.
Mcfinley ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:04:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To me it was misdirection. They show shots that indicate one thing and dialogue to confuse you. It's all hype. Hell, things we think look real could just be dream sequences or visions.
Everything I could catch in the trailer. Spoilers be aware!!
0:07 Snoke talking to maybe Kylo or maybe Rey
0:08 FO attack on crait
0:15 Kylo leading some troopers into a cave/base on crait. Looks like the sceen of Vader on hoth
0:18 Kylos saber looks better showing he is at least more trained it not more allied with the dark side
0:42 More jedi books and the burnt force tree
0:55 Luke has healthy skepticism of Rey's powers but is it because of something he did, Kylo did, or Snoke did?
0:57 Luke pulling himself out of a pile of wood and watching a temple burn
1:09 you can see some kind of new Nebulon-B type frigate that is skinnier and has a horizontal part off to the right.
You can also see what looks like a sleeker and newer version of the GR-75 Medium Transport and again at 1: 34 with a better view of them
At 1:09-1:10 you can see blaster bolts hitting the shields of the ship away from the hull and again at 1:11-1:12
Also at 1:10 is kylo with some kind of metal over his scar on his cheek
1:12 the new Mon Calamari Starship is fighting one of the first order dreadnaughts
1:15 The hangers on the Mon Cal ship are inside it with launch tubes running horizontally across the ship like missile tubes.
1:20 Kylo either shoots and goes to the dark or doesn't and goes to the light. (Considering we see them fleeing the ship later but Rey wanting to team up with him i think he doesn't take the shot but a wingman or another ship does. )
1:28 The falcon flying in a canyon (or underground) on a planet being chased by ties. Most likely Crait due to the red crystals
1:32 Porgs, they are like cuter Gizka
1:34 seem to be mon calamari escape pods. This could mean that the ship was blown up and they needed to evacuate it. OR those could be a smaller version of the GH-75 medium transports
1:37 Some sort of hyperdrive or afterburners in the back of poes fighter where the cargo compartment is. Also his fighter attacking the dreadnaught over crait
1:41 Phasma with force pike vs Fin with the executioners axe
1:47 Luke on the ground in the rain telling someone it wont go like they think. Could this be before the fight with the knights of ren?
1:48-50 Crystal foxes running to hide in the bunker and Leia staring out at the approaching FO forces
1:53 Rey emerging tired from a pool (after fighting the sea monster?) And finn looking sharp in FO dress uniforms.
1:55 Assualt on Crait with AT-M6, AT-AT, FO landers, and Ties. And the speeders takes out the ties
2:00 Snoke is creepy AF and possibly epic misdirection. But now we know snoke and Rey do meet.
2:10 Asking your cousin mortal enemy for help. Though the lighting seems off to me (to stable on rey to be from the same fire behind kylo)
I feel like their are a lot of fake outs in this trailer
_ILP_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:55:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is the analysis I was looking for...
tway2241 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:22:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
1:37 Some sort of hyperdrive or afterburners in the back of poes fighter where the cargo compartment is. Also his fighter attacking the dreadnaught over crait
Maybe it's a T-85 x-wing? That's the top of the line one in this era, previous movie only show cases T-70s. I kinda doubt it though, the attachment appears to be gone in a later shot with the x-wing.
After the glorious one in Rogue One I'm so hyped for the space battle
He recorded lines to mix with Alec Guinness' lines to form the word "Rey" during her vision in TFA. A lot of people theorize she might be his granddaughter.
Part of it is when they went out of their way to have Ewan come in to do voice work for the vision in the first movie. Another is we still don't know how she is force sensitive or who her parents are, it is possible that Obi Wan got lonely while on Tattooine and had child and then grandchild. Obviously this is still speculation and we'll find out in the movie but search your feelings, you know it to be true.
Edit: Also I'll admit I'd really like to see McGregor in this film.
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 02:50:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i want to see Luke be bad ass.
Please can we see that?
goda90 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:38:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to feel the giddiness everyone felt in the theater when Yoda first pulled out a lightsaber in Episode 2. Then I want it to be awesome like when Vader pulled out his lightsaber in Rogue One.
Yeah, Iโm honestly a little worried that the whole โraw powerโ lines are foreshadowing that Luke will be a bit underpowered compared to Rey and Kylo.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:12:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm with you man. I want Luke to bust out the green lightsaber and be so powerful that itโs like a religious experience. It just seems theyโre going to put more emphasis on Rey and Kyloโs power.
I don't think they will do that, simply because there's no way they can make him live up to the insane power of Grandmaster Luke from the EU. The movie would be over in 30 seconds if he had that level of power. So instead of making him only a fraction of the power as he was in legends, it's easier to just make him the same level as he was in ROTJ and not fall short of expectations.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:43:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He does not have to be Grandmaster Luke from the EU.
Just something you know the strongest jedi ever? beast lightsaber skills and force powers.
He should be stronger and more knowledgeable about the force after 30+ years after ROTJ
I personally don't think he will have his lightsaber anymore. I think he's going to be force only, but I don't think he's going to be at an insane level of power like many people think. I think Snoke is going to wipe the floor with him using his force abilities.
Potentially. He'll return with a light side Kylo and fight Rey and Snoke, imo. I think he will die trying to bring Rey back to the light. I think there's a 0% chance that Luke survives the new trilogy.
I don't think they will do that, simply because there's no way they can make him live up to the insane power of Grandmaster Luke from the EU.
Maybe not, but he'll have all the powers of Yoda and the Emperor combined. He's essentially taken a crash course with both of them and has a better understanding of the force than anyone. He'll be plenty powerful. He has been this whole time. He was behind all of the events that transpired in TFA.
I don't think he was behind all of the events. I have a feeling Rey and Kylo will both be more powerful than Luke. Otherwise their characters have diminished importance in the series.
Alternative theory - Rey and Kylo team up for a buddy cop comedy....in space! Marvel as these two unlikely detectives fight to take down Snokeโs deathstick empire and learn to trust each other on the way
CarterG4 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:31:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You wanna buy some death sticks?
Mackaf ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:02:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You want to go home and rethink your life
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:07:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Marvel
Let's keep them far, far away from this.
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 10:27:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Late to the party but donโt think this has been mentioned. Snoke doesnโt just say โI saw raw untamed power,โ etc, he says: โWhen I found you I saw raw untamed power...โ.
The when I found you portion implies an event that took place some time in the past, presumably the distant past. To me that favors he is talking to Ben. But it also implies that he discerned something about the person that others didnโt see, And while we donโt know the story of how Ben went to Snoke, the idea that he โfoundโ a promising student by cherry picking from Luke is sort of like an NFL scout patting himself on the back for โfindingโ a first round draft pick. Therefore the language seems to imply something deeper.
So I think heโs talking about Rey. And that he is talking about something long before. I think Snoke placed Rey on Tatooine as a child for reasons unclear, perhaps to toughen her resolve and self sufficiency. This would explain why she knows nothing about her family and why her family, whomever they were, would ditch a child on a hostile planet (they didnโt). I think this is why Kylo is so intrigued about the notion of Finnโs escape with an unknown female, that he knows something about a young girl left on Tatooine.
Finally I think Kyloโs anger over Snokes favor for Rey (as the one with more promise), will drive him
to โkill the boyโ (to borrow a phrase) and assassinate Leah, a job he failed to do when he had the chance earlier in the movie.
CulDeSax ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:34:23 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good theory. I could see this being true.
Minor fix: Rey was left on Jakku.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:32:08 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like your Rey and Snoke theory a lot, to add onto it maybe Snoke is trying to recreate the circumstances that allowed Anakin to become so powerful. If Kylo knew of this plan it would explain his weird jealousy of Rey because he feels that the legacy of Vader belongs to him and not her.
I see this as normal line. Only who is possibly aware about Rey being force sensitive is Luke, who was missing and out of action before his location is discovered. If Rey is such a untamed and powerful force, how come she left to die in Jakku, why not Snoke came straight to her and train her? Why Snoke, First Order and New Republic all are mad to find Luke, while a raw force user, who can possibly defeat Luke in a moment is at Jakku and Reydy to do anything you want for a little love, protection and family.
While it's strong implication that Rey is related to someone (Probably Luke) who is not Snoke. That someone is a part of Luke's Jedi academy and him/her having family , which is probably not a public information, or the person having his sons in the academy, and Rey being toddler is not ready for Academy (I don't think Luke following the same Jedi shit about getting young kids to train).
There must be a war between Luke and Snoke, destroying new Jedi Academy, Snoke having upper hand, getting a teenage Ben Solo under his training. In the war the older kids of that person is died and fearing about Rey, put her to a remote planet of Jakku.
Now IMO what Snoke was referring to her being found is about the events of Force Awakens. Because reasons stated above I don't think it's related to anything before Episode 7.
tweakoli ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:10:23 on October 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget, Bloodlines is 6yrs before TFA.
Ben is STILL training with Luke at this time, this plays weirdly into the timeline as this makes Ben's raw power useless. Things most likely go haywire with the senate announcement about Leia's heritage.
He has 6yrs to switch from Luke's tutelage to Snoke. As we see in TFA he is still massively raw. This could be due to him having his light/dark conflict not allowing him to fully tap his force potential but this is fairly weak plot mechanic.
jl2352 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:43:00 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of all the ditching Rey theories, this is the one that makes the most sense to me. If she died on the planet then she's not worthy of being Snoke's student. If she survives then she is toughened up.
I don't know how well that would come across to a generic audience though.
But wouldn't training under a Sith/Jedi Master be more effective and toughening than hanging out on a desert planet for 10+ years? Yes she survived but wasted a massive amount of time.
If I recall correctly, in Legends a big portion of Sidious' training was Plagueis sticking him on inhospitable planets and beating him up to further his connection to the Dark Side.
Plus it doesnโt explain why the falcon and that guy with the missing map piece also exist on that planet. Seems like that guys job was to keep watch over Rey. Or maybe it was to warn her or escape to Luke when snoke came looking? Who the hell knows?
Erj2969 ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 02:02:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure I like how Luke appears bewildered and amazed. He should be as wise and dignified as ol' Ben Kenobi by this time. Guess he never lost his boyish aw.
drodjan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:01:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like it. If he were wise and dignified like Ben then his character development would be complete. This means he will still be a dynamic character.
Codyw28 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:24:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He fears Reyโs power, very interesting
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 03:20:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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gyutop ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:21:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think that Rey could've been the one to blow up the temple as a kid, and that's why she'd been put in hiding, but Ben/Kylo does have the scar when he holds out his hand, unless that cut is a super misdirect too.
Unless they edited in that scar across his face thats no flashback. That said, the background does match the flashback. Hmm. Maybe they did edit in the scar to fool us.
Datsoon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:19:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno. In TFA it didnโt really seem like Kylo knew Reyโs power or knew Rey all, otherwise he wouldnโt have underestimated her.
If youโre right, it wouldnโt be the first inconsistency in the Star Wars universe, but I think under Disneyโs direction the movies will be more seamless than they have been in the past.
Were to points that confirmed to me Ren knew who she was all along.
assuser ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:06:54 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unconvinced. The second line isn't in the movie. The first line is probably what it appears to be on the surface, he's pissed off that his plans have been spoiled by some unknown entity. Later we see how much he resents it at the interrogation: "You, a scavenger". When she pulls the lightsaber away from him at the end he's nonplussed. Then offers to be her teacher. They haven't met in the past.
The linr was cut from the movie. Present in the novels. Still counts
Datsoon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:30:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if Rey is some sort of clone sleeper cell force โnukeโ created by snoke and the empire. They never shared it with kylo, so heโs in the dark in TFA. This would fit with all the Luke clone theories floating around, and might explain why sheโs not sure of her place and why luke thinks sheโs some sort of untrainable abomination. Sheโs the product of some crazy bene gesserit style breeding program.
Stardust could be a reference to โfrom dust we came...โ because she doesnโt really have biological parents? I dunno.
ireditt ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 22:48:26 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm really surprised at how seldom Lor San Tekka [Max Von Sydow] is discussed. Heโs mentioned in the opening crawl, lives on the same planet as the main protagonist, and clearly has a past connection with the original characters.
Probably his story is being held close to the chest until VIII is released. After that we will probably see a flow of stories from the aftermath of the battle of Jakku and all of those involved.
footfoe ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:13:45 on October 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
well he dies right away, he's just a plot device to give the starmaps to Poe.
ireditt ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:49:01 on October 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hear you, but itโs doubtful that such an esteemed actor was cast [and referred to as an โold allyโ] just to be a disposable character.
mistrj13 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:20:40 on October 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The first line of The Force Awakens, the new trilogy, is uttered by him. "This will begin to make things right. I've traveled too far and seen too much to ignore the despair in the galaxy. Without the Jedi, there can be no balance in the Force."
Bolded the last part because I think it shows Luke is not going to be "gray" or believe that it's "time for the Jedi to end," or at least the story won't end that way. And I don't think it should.
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 12:32:21 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"I've seen this strength once before, It didn't scare me then but it does now"
We've already seen that Rey is a much more powerful force user than Kylo, what if they reveal that Rey was somehow behind the massacre of Luke's school and Kylo as a result turned to the dark side?
But she's been on Jakku since she was a child. So that wouldn't really make sense. Unless she's some super force sensitive kid that can't control her extreme power, so Luke somehow wipes her memory and drops her on Jakku.... I don't know I can't see it
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:25:54 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I guess so. But the cracking in the ground around her could signify that lack of control. I dunno, I thought it might be cool if they pulled a switcharoo on us
I haven't, I'll need to rewatch. I'm pretty sure none of the music in the trailer is ever the actual music that goes with that scene in the movie. I know they are trying to evoke a feeling though but honestly I think it's all misdirection.
tomdec1 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 02:00:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I desperately want to hear Adam Driver say that deadpan and completely seriously
footfoe ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 01:56:05 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Calling it now. That space battle with Kylo hesitating to destroy the rebel ship with leia on the bridge is the opening sequence of the movie.
You see the rings from the old rebel base in the background, Kylo's scar looks 'fresher' than in other shots. That makes me think it's near the beginning. Then there is the tradition to always make the first shot of a starwars film be a spaceship. put two and two together.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 22:49:57 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if Luke and Snoke established the Jedi academy together. And Snoke secretly turned Kylo who in turn recruited his knights. And Luke found Rey and knew she was too powerful to train in fear of her turning to the dark side so he hid her after Kylo destroyed the temple?
I feel the scene of Rey being tortured by Snoke is actually just a dream like Luke had with Vader on Degobah.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:25:59 on November 3, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's far too clever for this franchise at this point.
Here's my take. Luke either leaves or dies. Rey joins Kylo at the end off a cliffhanger; but in Episode 9, it's revealed that they end up both achieving equilibrium in the Force. No more Light/Dark, no more Jedi/Sith. Rey learns the Dark through Kylo, and Kylo re-gains his sense of the Light from Rey. They both become neither Sith or Jedi and result in the defeat of Snoke.
koleye ยท 63 points ยท Posted at 02:47:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't like it. I like the eternal back and forth between the Sith and the Jedi, complete with their own ideology and mythos.
I mean that's completely fair. A big part of Star Wars is the dichotomy between good and evil. I just see this as a potential way they're bringing the story together as "The Last Jedi" suggests.
Snaxx11 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 03:06:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think thats where this is all headed. Just to make force users ambiguous. Jj stressed before force awakens that kylo and snoke arent sith. I could see luke delving deeper into jedi teachings searching for before jedi existed. Rogue one gave more evidence by focusing on the whills. The city of jedah. I want more grey jedi. Its what anakin shoukd have been all along and im mad lukes original temple wasnt that way. The strict teachings were the main downfall of the jedi.
Also Disney doesn't like it, because they have 20 more star wars movies planned.
ravens52 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:25:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The force works in mysterious ways. It will eventually swing back and forth once it has become balance so that it can become unbalanced again and look for new force sensitive beings to sway one way or another.
There are no sith anymore though. It's been confirmed multiple times that Kylo and Snoke are not sith
koleye ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:43:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo and Snoke are as Sith as Starkiller Base is a Death Star.
TFA was a soft reboot. Snoke and Kylo are the budget versions of the Emperor and Vader. They're Sith in all but name.
md11086 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:18:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like this
mistrj13 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:06:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure because Kylo definitely killed a ton of people in his pursuit of power, he's definitely the villain of this trilogy. To end it with them walking away hand-in-hand with no consequences, and simply becoming "enlightened" in regards to the Force, seems anti-climactic IMO.
Hmm, you raise a very good point. Perhaps Kylo does end up dying? I can totally see something happening to him that he must face now that you pointed that out.
mistrj13 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:47:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I can see that, like he helps Rey establish this new way of seeing the Force that doesn't involve Sith/Jedi and Light/Dark, but he has to pay somehow.
Although I have to say that I don't actually want that to happen. I love the Jedi and I think they are core to Star Wars. The first line of The Force Awakens is about how there can be no balance in the Force without the Jedi.
Star Wars is all about misdirection with good guys turning into bad guys and bad guys turning into good guys. Kylo will be one of the primary heroes in episode IX and Luke will be the primary villain.
ReD90000 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:48:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Found George Lucas Reddit account
Codyw28 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:04:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Username... Doesnโt check out
ReD90000 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:07:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everybody loves pizza..
ScarOf94 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:10:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I bet the movie ends with Kylo reaching out to Rey and itโs seen from a lengthy helicopter shot before it cuts to credits.
Theory: those shots with Kylo supposedly about to kill Leia are done the beginning of the movie. Not far from the destruction of Starkiller base. Kylo is raging pissed. So much so that he is gunning for his mom maybe a couple days from slaying his old man. He lines up for the shot BUT Leia using he force telepathy talks with Kylo and has him pull back. Heโs torn between good and evil. All movie itโs about him dealing with the light and dark until he turns on Snoke. Rey also turns from Luke and the two band together to take out Snoke in part three... or nine.
matty25 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:42:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is no way Kylo and Rey just revert to True Neutral. That effectively neuters any future conflict in the series, and if you donโt think Disney will stretch this out until Episode 15, youโre crazy.
lMarshl ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:21:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There always has to be a light and dark side. They can remove jedis and siths, but there must always be a light and dark side.
There still is. It's not that you remove them, it's that they learn to draw from both. Perhaps Kylo still remains a villain in the sense that it's not so much that they forever become friends, but they only come together to defeat Snoke after some revelation. Once that's over, they both become "grey" Force users, but their paths diverge to once again create a central conflict.
lMarshl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:28:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ya I think that's where it's going. Mace windu was the OG
Kylo learns the truth about Vader at the same time he learns that Luke caused him to become Snoke's apprentice. The will probably happen as he confronts and destroys Snoke. He then learns that Luke is also trying to turn Rey and so he saves her. Finn is probably some sort of Manchurian candidate and either he or Luke will be the one responsible for killing Leia. Kylo will probably be trying to stop that from happening but fail --- and then Rey will prevent him from turning back to the dark side. Then, in epsisode VIII, Rey and Kylo will be trying to stop Luke Skywalker from destroying damn near everything in the galaxy.
Remember anikens blood was supposed to bring balance in the force.and eventually his grandkids do it? Though I don't think they would let Kylo live in the end. After doing what he did to Han Solo and Leia. It wouldn't make sense to make that guy the hero in a Disney movie.
orkoorco ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:41:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hate you. This makes WAY too much sense.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 02:29:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The scene with Kylo and Leia is 100% misdirection, IMO. There's no way that, in the middle of a space battle, people would just be casually walking around the ship's bridge.
Luke has seen this power once before - in Rey. It's why she was exiled to Jakku to protect the galaxy after she, not Kylo Ren destroyed Luke's Jedi order. She didn't do out of evil, but untamed raw power that he couldn't control. She'll find out Luke abandoned her and feel conflicted and flirt with the Darkside through Kylo
cgo255 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:50:16 on December 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I won't be properly psyched until I can eat TLJ branded macaroni (in the shape of those stupid little Groot-hamsters), out of a TLJ branded bowl, with a TLJ branded spoon, on a TLJ placemat, and clean myself up with TLJ branded napkins, and wash it down wtih TLJ branded milk, that I all purchased at Walmart.
I believe Snoke is talking to Rey at the start, not Kylo. It was he who left her on Jakku until he could train her.
My thoughts:
Kylo turns good
Rey is confused. Rey gets captured by Snoke while they battle on Ach To.
Kylo and Luke work to rescue Rey.
Kylo doesn't kill his mother, someone else does while he hesitates. He rages against Snoke, the First Order, and rescues Rey in the process. Luke dies somehow. Kylo and Rey are now a team, they are The Last Jedi. Cue Episode 9 finale.
RomuRaf ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:24:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not a bad one this. I don't think Luke will die, but we'll see. I like your story haha. Honestly, the bit where Kylo is fighting his inner demons over killing his mother was the one strong point of this trailer and it felt to me already stronger than Han's scene. We can't know however if that footage is even from the same scene, but anyway.
[deleted] ยท 78 points ยท Posted at 02:01:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry man but that is definitely not going to be in the movie. That is generic trailer music, whereas the John Williams soundtrack symphonies are something entirely different
mistrj13 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 23:52:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
New idea regarding Luke and Rey based off the trailer: Rey is going through her own version of the Cave of Evil.
Her "raw power" and abilities make her eager to go face Kylo Ren and the First Order, and she feels Luke is taking far too long to train her and is annoyed with his pessimism. After constantly pushing Luke, she is to go experience the "Cave of Evil" and she feels ready to slay whatever is in there, taking her lightsaber with her, and Luke, frustratingly seeing himself in her goes, "This isn't going to go the way you think."
In the cave, Rey sees visions of how Ben destroyed the Jedi, left Luke for dead, and possibly even faces Snoke, only to learn that she is not even close to being ready to fight (much like Luke's own experience in ESB). Everything we've seen in the trailer that seemingly has to do with the main plot is actually a vision in the cave, with Rey realizing that she needs someone to "show her her place in all this," hopefully meaning Luke.
Which means we've actually learned nothing about the plot of the film. We've simply seen how Rey learns of Luke and Kylo's history. Imagine if they cut a trailer for The Force Awakens, but only used clips from Rey's vision after touching the lightsaber. Same idea here.
I like this, but can you imagine how hard people are going to bitch and moan about TLJ being an ESB rehash if that's what happens? Even if the other 90% of the movie is COMPLETELY different, you know there will be people saying it's too similar.
Reddit's army of amateur film buffs will bitch and moan about it regardless. It'll be too much like ESB, or not enough. Whatever twist is there will be too obvious, or too out of left field. There's no pleasing the "I took screenwriting 101 and now make my own amateur films in my spare time," crowd.
Watched it again today, and I realized that when Luke says that he has only seen such raw power before and he wasn't scared then, he might be talking about the Emperor. He was quite careless then, and it would make sense that he wants to be careful this time. Rey Palpatine?
I think he's definitely talking about Kylo. As soon as he says it, it cuts to Luke's hand clawing out of what is presumably the debris of the Jedi Temple after Kylo massacred them.
lol I was literally going to add a further paragraph about how it wouldn't make sense for it to be misdirection but decided against it. Well here it is!
It wouldn't make sense for it to be misdirection because we know objectively for a fact, that Kylo Ren destroyed the new Jedi Order. There is nothing to misdirect. He's seen raw power before, it didn't scare him but it does now because he suffered the consequences. He didn't see 'raw power' in the Emperor - the Emperor was a Sith Lord. His power was not 'raw' - it was mastered.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:00:11 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There was some clear misdirection. Like when Rey asks for guidance, the next shot is Kylo holding out his hand. That is clearly not the same scene. There is a dark area behind Rey and when she speaks, there seems like a hint of an echo, as if she is talking in a cave. Next shot of Kylo is clearly outside in a lava setting where there would be no echo.
She's likely talking to Luke in that scene, and Kylo is holding his hand out to (likely) Phasma... it looks like a planet is falling apart behind him, and as Phasma is in this one, there needs to be some kind of explanation as to how she escaped the planet she was on being destroyed.
I figured that was him speaking to Rey about Kylo for sure. but Rey palpatine has been my favorite theory about her since day 1, since it switches the sides of the skywalkers and palpatines and would explain her power but his hesitance after what happened Kylo
now this is a thought that hadn't occurred to me. that would be a great way to tie the trilogies together since TFA really didn't do that beyond aesthetics.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 22:12:27 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If we get to see Kylo's redemption in this movie, I think it'll be cool if we saw it visually first before realising what it means; for example Kylo purifies the kyber crystal powering his lightsaber and it turns from red to a different colour, maybe white or even grey when he activates it.
According to the Star Wars wikia, "Purify was a Force power which allowed the user to remove the taint of the Dark Side of the Force from lightsaber crystals. A telltale sign of purify being used is if any Sith lightsaber crystals drew out a white blade instead of the usual red blade, due to the red lightsaber blade being a result of the crystals being made to "bleed" by the Dark Side. Ahsoka Tano utilized them on the Sixth Brother's kyber crystals during an encounter with him, harmonizing them into working for her."
I think it would be clear very quickly if his lightsaber was suddenly white
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:23:09 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Shinto_P ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:08:22 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's something they changed as well.
They don't use synthetic crystals anymore. They make them bleed with their emotions. So it would be possible that he heals his crystal somehow with his new force alignment but I guess we wont see it happen anyway.
pas011 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 07:36:41 on October 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The story of how the lightsaber got from
Cloud city to Maz is still bugging me.
Am i the only one who was never bothered by this? iv always just reasoned it in my head that it wouldn't be uncommon for people to collect artifacts of history. Perhaps Maz just went looking for it. After all, even finn from the first order seemed to know of Luke SKywalker and Han solo
I'm sorry to hear that. I would say the trailer music and actual scores serve different purposes and are fundamentally different when it comes to style. I like the trailer pieces too, but the intricate scores with their many moments and styles are artistically simply on another level
venom316 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:41:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Jedi Steps is my favorite Star Wars music I've heard since Across the Stars
i think it was his eyes. In the previous movies it was purely a mask with no touch ups so the actors eyes were recessed into the mask, here it looks like theyre where his eyes actually should be.
Kylo isn't gonna take that shot, but either one of his escorts or the bigger ships will, courtesy of orders from Hux/Phasma/Snoke, this is what's going to break him and start him questioning his loyalty to the First Order and Snoke. Rey isn't going to turn, it's gonna be Kylo, and he'll become her mentor, which leads me to believe Luke is gonna die. He'll literally be the last Jedi, Kylo and Rey are gonna become "grey" Jedi, likely using schools from both sects of the Force.
Just a couple other observations:
Poe's boosted X-Wing is probably the thing I'm most excited for, I already know that sequence is gonna be incredible.
Finn becomes TR-8R, nice twist.
Dreadnought at 1:44, looks pretty daunting. You can also just barely see the Supremacy at 1:33.
No frame by frame review of the Trailer yet? I'm a bit disappointed, Game of Thrones trailers usually have this after one hour.
"This is not going to go the way you think" - What do you think Luke means by this? Seems like he is fighting someone, only can be Rey?
There is one scene were I think a Battlecruiser gets oneshotted... does the First Order have a new superweapon? Maybe this time not one single super big weapon like the Deathstar or Starkiller, but instead something smaller but in higher quantity?
Snoke: It's clearly a old white male humanoid which cuts out the theories about Mace Windu, Rey, Darth Plagueis or most other Ancient non-human Sithlord. Also he doesn't seem like a higher being like people thought he could be something like the Dark Side incarnate. If it would be Palpatine then we probably wouldn't see his face because it doesn't look anything like him and instead would see him wearing a hood or mask. We also see officially now that he is a force-user... which is quite interesting as he seems to be older than Luke or at least same age which means he had to be around during the Original Trilogy... but Yoda, Obiwan, Luke, Vader and Sidious were quite sure that they (+Leia) are the only remaining force-users. Were did he get his knowledge from if neither from Obiwan/Yoda nor Sidious?
Could he really be a clone? His injuries and deformations don't look like something you get because you get shot, burned or whatever, rather looks like his body just didn't develop fully... maybe some experiment by Palpatine to create the perfect force-user who could be his apprentice after vader, which got abandoned for some reason and the result (Snoke) was killed/deposed but the force was so strong in him to survive.
one of the pics of snoke shows him with the same 6 ridge forehead palpatine/siddious had in ROTS. he is missing a few of the ridges due to damage to face.
hes healed since FA too, his mouth isn't curled and twisted, his face and head scars are smaller, either hes regenerating using similar tech to Kylos scar healer or hes force draining folk.
Theory: I think Luke realises how powerful Rey is and refuses to train her, fearing she may turn to the dark side. She ends up confronting Kylo again, and due to being abandoned by Luke she is now lost and although she knows she's integral somehow due to the vaders lightsaber "choosing" her, she doesn't know "where she fits in all of this". Kylo, realising in TFA she could be a great ally senses this confusion within her and uses it to try and recruit her. In a scene similar to ROTJ, he takes her to Snoke to complete her training. Snoke then tortures her for whatever reason (she may have a change of heart and refuse to join him, again akin to Luke resisting the Emporer in ROTJ. Or, as the popular theory is he may be sucking the force out of her to rebuild his power obviously causing her a lot of pain). It might be at this point, since I think Kylo definitely kills Leia, he may have a change of heart (Vader in ROTJ) and decide to help Rey escape the clutches of Snoke, maybe sacrificing himself in the process (probably not as he's a main character, but they did kill off Han). I think it could go multiple ways, but something along these lines is a safe bet I think
I agree that Rey will turn to Kylo and that Snoke is going to test her through torture to see if she can handle the dark side/turn her. I think Snoke is going to stick to the rule of two and sorta cast Kylo aside once his training is complete to lead the Knights of Ren and just take Rey as his apprentice. This leads Kylo to feel doubtful of where he lies in all of this, so starts to play with the idea of returning to his mother's side and trying to bring Rey back to fight Snoke under Luke.
Still have a feeling that Kylo destroyed Luke's academy. Weird thing is that Luke didn't seem to be there due to Rey's vision from the lightsaber. Going off of that, maybe the reason he wasn't at the academy is because he was training another padawan at a nearby location. I think that padawan was Rey. Luke sensed something was going down at the academy, so told Rey to stay hidden at the location they were at so he could see what was happening. He arrived too late to save anyone but saw Ben Solo leaving the area/found a clue linking him to the massacre. He realizes all is lost and leaves the academy to return to Rey. Realizing that the way of the Jedi may be dead: he puts Rey on Jakku to keep her far away from the growing First Order but also close enough for Lor San Tekka to keep an eye on.
Thing is how Rey most likely doesn't remember any of that or how Lor San Tekka doesn't tell Poe "hey, I've been keeping an eye on this girl for Luke, so you should probably scoop her on your way back to the Resistance". I'm also not sure of when the Academy was destroyed or how long Luke has been in exile.
This is the most legit theory i've seen. I could also see that this is revealed to Rey somehow, and she is insulted/upset by this, which causes some sort of strife between her and luke, perhaps making her explore the other side/Kylo.
I can definitely get behind that. However, I just realized that when they meet Han and Chewie, Rey and Finn thought the Jedi were a myth. The only way my theory works is if Rey somehow had her memory wiped between when Luke abandons her on Jakku and when she comes across BB-8.
The other weird thing is how Kylo Ren reacts when the First Order officer tells him about 'the girl' that escaped with Finn and BB-8. If he didn't have any idea who she could be, he wouldn't really care. His reaction is sorta telling in that he reacts with an elevated curiosity. But whenever they come face to face, he doesn't hint at knowing who she is unless he's trying to conceal their relationship. That's a stretch because even she doesn't even recognize who he is when she sees him without his mask.
I can see her memory wiped via the force, it could also be a way to explain her visions she had when touching Anakin/Luke's lightsaber in TFA (some sort of Force-related side effect)
If I recall, Rey also had a small reaction when Kylo took his mask off during the interrogation scene. Either it's her just being frightened seeing his face for the first time, or maybe she's wracking her memory because she saw a familiar face but can't put a name on it.
Maybe the memory wipe is very inexact or incomplete, so certain things she kind of remembers.
yea it does look like she goes into a deep thought there. I also don't know what the limitations are of doing a memory wipe from such a distance, but maybe Luke learned that power while he was in exile.
Someone recently pointed out to me that Leia went straight to Rey when they arrived at the Resistance base after destroying Starkiller. It was interesting to rewatch it and see that Leia sorta goes right past Chewie, given what happened to Han, to embrace the girl she seemingly had never met or seen before. Maybe Leia also feels the force in Rey and recognized her as her niece.
Shinto_P ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:01:51 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well she was pretty young. I guess it's possible that she just locked those memorys away. Of course she was really gifted in those flying scenes and the force helped her, but as soon as she touched the saber and faced Kylo she began to feel and use the force as if she already did that before.
It might not be that complicated that her memory was wiped but just a natural reaction to just ignore the past. Who knows what all those scenes ment in her vision.
Still thinking about why Kylo saved Rey in that dark heavy rain. Maybe she got hurt there, lost her memory and Kylo had a special relationship with her and was furious to see her get hurt. It could be so many different things and that's what I like. I don't know where it's going ^
Someone discovering his/her force recently, goes to an old, almost forgotten Jedi Master for training, guided by an old ally who helped when it matters, and that ally is killed by villain in front of his/her eyes. (Also that someone returned an thing that actually belonged to that ally)
The training for some reason can not be finished.
The trainee, wanting to train with light side of force, experience some dark side.
They meet, probably fight with the villain who is tainted by dark side, and they give a push to start the villains redemption.
Does that mean Benitio Del Toro's character having parallels with Boba Fett's and Snoke orders him to find out Poe and Kill him??
I don't know if they'll go fully with ESB like they did with TFA and ANH. I think we'll see parallels but they'll go with a different route storyline wise... Who knows
I honestly think this is the way they'll go. If they just do a TFA on every episode it'll just be known the original trilogy remake with no originality. But they want to include all the fan service, so they'll probably divert away film by film while still keeping in references and parallels
bjacks12 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:19:27 on October 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think Kylo doesn't end up killing Leia, but somebody else under him will do it. He'll be tortured and reprimanded by Snoke and that will catalyze his redemption arc
Maybe Hux will do it? Maybe Kylo will have a change of heart in the scene we see in trailer, and will refuse to do it. Then we see a shot of Hux watching this from the Command of a FO Star Destroyer, and he smiles as he orders the crew to fire at that weak spot, destroying the ship. He smiles because he can deal a crushing blow to Kylo, while being able to report back to Snoke that Kylo couldn't do it and he had too instead. We see another shot of Kylo in his fighter watching the explosion, feeling the death of his mother through the force and screaming out in pure despair. I think that could go down amazing, and would really throw some curveballs into Kylo's character arc
tweakoli ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:24:26 on October 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo would probably go on FO jihad if that happened he is that emotionally unstable.
Leia is not gonna die in this one. They are still trying to figure out how to give her a send off in the next movie. TLJ itself is completely finished, no changes will be made to the story from here on out.
bjacks12 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:06:31 on October 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's assuming that the original script included her surviving this movie.
Doesn't Luke know that would be the classic move of not training her... For her to feel like there's no options and then go to the dark side? I know it's going to happen, it just makes me kinda mad.
Well no, not really. We know it is, but he wouldn't. I mean considering everything that happened in ROTJ, the First Order returning, what happened to his Jedi enclave, what happened with Kylo (very well could be related to the Jedi enclave) probably made him give up hope with the force. Starkiller base blowing up the New Republic's capital system and the death of his friend Solo at the hands of Kylo would probably be recent events to reinforce his exile and loss of faith in the force. Maybe he's gone peaceful in exile like Yoda, and has resigned himself to this fate. Rey comes along and wants to be trained by him, I think he'll be reluctant but MAYBE a chat with some familiar force ghost faces will change his mind (Yoda chatting to Obi Wan in Empire). But when he sees just how powerful she is, he might fear what happened with Vader and Kylo (powerful force users turning to the dark side) will happen to her and he might refuse to train her anymore fearing that it'll be his fault if she turns like he likely blames himself for Kylo turning. Then he'll of basically trained two force users that have turned dark and are now causing terror in the galaxy
So here's my crazy theory that I need to write somewhere.
When Luke is saying It's not going to go the way you think he's talking to Kylo after the destruction of the school. And at the end Kylo reaches his hand to Luke after turning on the First Order. Maybe Luke will try to make peace with himself by training Ben again (probably in the next movie).
When Luke is saying It's not going to go the way you think
I haven't seen anybody comment on this, but Luke is bleeding from the mouth in that scene. If that is the same cave we see Rey surface in, it indicates they potentially had one hell of a fight.
Could be. I'm going with Rey tries to do something dangerous/stupid - Luke tries to stop her - Rey uses too much force on him. We'll see soon enough :)
I'm going to assume he's flying early in the movie cause his scar is still patched. Leia is clearly on the same planet as the ATATs, so I think he doesn't kill her there. Snoke then captures Leia on that planet, brings her before Kylo, and he says the line it's time to fulfill your destiny.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:15:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Would be awesome if Rey turned too.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:17:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Too cliche.
That would be 3 main characters going to the bad side.
footfoe ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 02:30:30 on October 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know it's a misdirect but that shot at the end is still pretty cool.
We need to have at least one of the big questions from TFA answered. Who is Snoke? Who is Rey? I want to call out the rhetorical question is see a lot about these not needing to be answered.
Why can't Rey's parents be just randoms?
If Rey's parents were just space Hobos, then Rey has no stake in the story. If Luke doesn't a least KNOW something about her parents, then she had no reason to find him in the first place. Her only motivation for continuing to be a part of the Resistance and become a jedi would just be "well i'm here.. it would be awkward if i didn't help." That's not good enough. Think back at Luke's motivation to begin his Adventure. They really piled it on: Vader betrayed and murdered his Jedi father, Storm Troopers murdered his adoptive parents, Leia was a hotty and he wanted to bang her. (before she was retconned into being his sister, that is)
Why can't Snoke be snoke?
His actions have now destroyed the New Republic, turned Ben Solo to the darkside, and sent Luke into hiding. The original trilogy ended when the Evil Emperor of the Galaxy was defeated. Snoke has to be a MORE significant threat than the Emperor to have undone everything the heroes had accomplished. If he was just a random dude, then we can't be invested in the heroes stopping him. As soon as he's defeated, another random dude with no significance could just replace him.
Ennyish ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:49:40 on October 19, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, she has to be related to SOMEONE. And who else but the mysterious prequel woman who has no other relation to the current cast of the new trilogy?
She dies at the end of rogue one and it never indicated that she had given birth or was a mother. It's hardly obvious and quite frankly doesn't make sense. Also, Jyn didn't have force powers.
Please dont post on this in two months. I'm living in china and won't be able to watch the last Jedi until January
Ennyish ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:31:12 on October 19, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
!RemindMe 3.5 months
Ennyish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:58:57 on February 8, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Turns out I was wrong about Rey's heritage. It was actually pretty smart of them to do what they did, but they kinda went overboard with the number of twists in the movie.
The few new creatures they revealed look so rad. Also, that little showdown between Finn and Phasma!! Wow! I don't even know where to start, just amazing!
I agree. I feel like they're building up to Kylo and Rey being these forces of nature in terms of natural, raw power. And Luke is just like "well I'm the son of one of the most powerful Jedi to have existed, who only became stronger when he went to the dark side, and was trained by two of the greatest Jedi of all time... But you two make me look like a weak old man!"
That's the vibe I'm getting so far and I sincerely hope I'm wrong. I just want to see Luke finally pull off some amazing shit that even Anakin couldn't do.
Yeah, I'm hoping he spends the first half of the film in timid trailer mode then goes off in the second half due to some unforeseen event. Will give it much more of an impact.
Exactly. I'm hoping that the first half of the movie for Rey and Luke is a study of character growth. She convinces him that he is needed, and that he did not fail Kylo. He convinces her that the force is the best guide, and that her being so unsure of herself is the only thing holding her back from being able to save her friends.
And when something happens to Leia, Luke decides to enter the fold and get over this mindset he has locked himself into. I'd love to see him go nuts. Pull a ship from the sky or enter full a full Yoda mode where his old ass becomes a ninja and just wrecks face.
Theory - Chewbacca copes with losing Han by getting that little pet thing shown. The pet can only partially fill the void left by Han, but over the course of episode VIII and IX Chewbacca learns to healthily accept his loss and give love to the pet. Chewbacca then feels a sense of love too and feels needed, as the pet will rely on him.
source - this typically happens with people and their pets.
ha7on ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:56:50 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I had planned to stay away from seeing anything to do with the new movie, UNTIL I was reassured that there wasn't any stupid stuff in it..
..then I had a brief look at a trailer reaction video, and looking at those silly walkers, I can now say that I will NEVER watch any of the new Disney Star Wars movies.
There was enough stupid shit in The Force Awakens and Rogue One, but I've had enough. Disney imo has turned Star Wars into garbage.
Enough is enough. Too much bad sci fi, and Star Wars didn't have much sci-fi to begin with, but one could relate to a sense of realistic take of space battle with simple weapons like blasters (and shields to defect).
badcgi ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 16:47:11 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you sure you've actually seen Star Wars before? Because a "realistic take of space battles with simple weapons" was never a thing, or did you forget about the moon sized space laser that destroys planets, the laser swords, space wizards that disappears after dying, and so on?
Yeah, he drew the line at how the AT-AT's walk? Hater just gotta hate I guess.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:13:34 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And specifically the new ones, as if the AT-ATs were ever a remotely feasible weapon. It's simply a case of "I could accept new weird ideas when I was a kid and now I can't."
badcgi ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:17:42 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The funny thing is the ones that all of a sudden can no longer tolerate the direction Star Wars is heading were perfectly content to consume Legends. Plot devices like the Sun Crusher, or the World Devestator, or a blue alien that can predict tactics based on art work, or a species of extreme S&M enthusiasts that are immune to the force, or Luuke, or how many times the Emperor cloned himself, etc, etc... were all ok. But a new style of AT-AT........
One of the things Disney should not mess with, is the stylistic take on sci-fi that originally made Star Wars look good. Now, Disney apparently think that some kind of half assed SWTOR level of design is even acceptable.
banksnld ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:19:14 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Much of the design in the new movies borrows heavily from the work of Ralph McQuarrie, with some even being his designs that didn't make it into earlier films. So it's rather bizarre to get angry about "half-assed design."
The New AT-ATs have giant cannons on them , the bigger arms are there to support it when its firing im assuming. Why didnt you draw the line in episode 1 when instead of a regular lightsaber they added a double sided one, or in return of the jedi when they added Tie interceptors. Youre seriously just looking for shit to hate on because you wanna be more edgy then a vibroblade.
Dude, George Lucas was turning star wars into garbage himself with the prequels. While these new movies have their flaws, star wars is much better off being in someone else's hands instead of George Lucas.
biom01 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 03:14:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My quick idea:
Kylo has the opportunity to kill Leia in Space, doesn't take the opportunity for some reason (no shot, distracted, etc.). Snoke or Hux notice his hesitation, keep an eye on him.
Later on, Kylo bears down on the Resistance base on Crait (his command vessel being present makes me think he's there), says he'll destroy it. Leia calls his bluff, Kylo hesitates, then Hux comes in and orders the base's destruction, killing Leia. Already torn from his killing his father, Kylo now feels he can't continue with the First Order and starts his "ascent" to the light.
I know this is a week old... but the only thing I don't want, but I fully expect - I don't want an "I am your father" moment. I don't want Rey to be Luke's daughter, and I don't want Rey and Kylo to be siblings. Do a cloud city, have a bounty hunter chase Poe, I don't care...just no family reveal in this one.
I know this is a month old but I'm not getting my hopes too high. The Force Awakens piggybacked off a new hope, but it was fun and gripping and a great experience. I'm predicting The Last Jedi will piggyback off Empire but as long as the magic doesn't go away it's all good
I heard in a talk show somethings like AT-A6's or something
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:50:05 on October 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who else exactly do AT-AT's fight?
SilasX ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:47:53 on October 19, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I recall from the criticism of Rogue One, AT-ATs are like siege engines, intended for bombarding an armored target that they have to reach on the ground ... not to fight skirmishers.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:56:06 on October 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Potentially. I'm hoping there's some kind of twist there to differentiate it enough at least. Or that could be just a brief battle sequence for all we know.
bjkman ยท 249 points ยท Posted at 02:00:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There isn't enough diversity in the cast, dammit! Just because Clieg Larrs had a hover-round, doesn't mean we shouldn't include more infirmed characters. #TRIGGERED
I hate that I had to scroll down this far to find a comment about the music. That build when then pan over Ach-To is awesome! Soo excited for new Star Wars music!
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:07:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke is scared of Rey's darkness and the red herring is that Rey joins Kylo. But it's pretty obvious that it's as big of a misdirection as Finn being the Jedi in TFA was
Bluenevi ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:09:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Prepare to see many plush toys of that adorable animal that was in front of Chewbacca this Christmas
Eric77TA ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:11:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stray observation, but Iโm pretty sure those are two different locations at the end
Ainโt nothing on fire when itโs at Rey, but over at Kylo lotta stuff is burning
Edit; in fact Iโm certain; itโs sunlight reflecting off Reyโs face, and sheโs still in her island gear (I.e. the outfit from the end of TFA, minus the vest)
Kylo Ren is being lit by fire. He is surrounded by burning stuff, which suggests heโs in the flashback of the burning temple, or the wreck of a ship
Edit 2: moronic me missed the scar, so not burning Temple - but still not the same location, unless theyโre like, across a huge gap or something
To that same end, I don't see Kylo coming back to the light, as many seem to think he will.
He has gone too far. There's a point where the dark side takes hold and you cannot be fully redeemed. For Anakin, it was when he killed every Jedi in the temple. There was no real redemption for him after that point. There was too much evil in him to truly become a good guy again. For Kylo, it was when he killed Luke's other apprentices and he solidified it when he killed his own father.
There is no redemption arc for him that everyone thinks is gonna happen. The closes he could get is having a Vader-esque moment where he saves someone from Snoke. But I would personally hate that sort if repeat.
I personally believe Kylo will be remembered as a great villain because he didn't want to be. He had is mind poisoned and went too far into the dark.
SgtSqrl ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:30:27 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So we know Admiral Ackbar is still alive during The Force Awakens...is Kylo attacking his flagship Home One that Leia is on in the trailer? Looks the same... (yes, I know there are/were multiple Mon Calamari star cruisers.)
OSU_zj92 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:12:18 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not confirmed but I think that Mon Cal ship he is attacking is the Raddus
SgtSqrl ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:31:55 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah you're right. Did a little more research after I commented and found that seems to be the case. Homage to Admiral Raddus from Rogue One.
But he already defeated Vader and brought him back to the light side. Ben was someone he tutored and he "wasn't scared enough" of him because didn't foresee what Ben would do.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:50:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno, maybe the fact that he killed the rest of Luke's students, destroyed the Jedi Temple, killed Han, and helped lead the First Order to blowing up billions of people, all based on training that Luke gave him?
I mean Luke has never done anything in the movies to show he's even at the same level of Anakin before the suit.
ronan125 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:48:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He beat Vader in battle. The movies in which Anakin was whole was made later. In the original series no one ever said anything about Vader being the most powerful ever or having a midchlorian count or anything
He beat old Vader in the suit that severely limited his abilities. If Luke was fighting Anakin without the suit just looking at what he did during the Obi-Wan fight, it would last about 3 seconds. And you're right, we didn't have that back then, but it's a part of canon now. So they could easily say that Luke isn't as powerful because he hasn't demonstrated himself to be.
ronan125 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:53:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But in that same canon, the creator said Luke is the most powerful force user to ever exist. His training was nowhere close to Anakins when they fought either. Luke years later at his present age vs Vader uninjured would be at par. My point is, all of that is based on the later movies by Lucas and he said this
But the creators comments have never held weight outside of the source material in relation to future materials. They have to do something with the character of Rey to make her interesting enough to carry the series. If Luke is so much stronger than her or Kylo, he could just solve the whole thing himself. They need a reason for her character to exist within the confines of the conflict.
ronan125 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:56:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But there are other ways to do that right. Like how they did it in Harry Potter. Dumbledore was technically the most powerful but only Harry could kill Voldemort. I just don't like it when whoever is the main hero now becomes the most powerful retrospectively
I think they could set something up to where Luke could have become the most powerful of all time, but he completely abandoned the force and his training after the destruction of his academy. So he never realized his full potential. This stunts him similarly to Vader, but for a different reason.
ronan125 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:29:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've seen this raw strength only once before... it didn't scare me enough then... it does now
He's clearly talking about Ben. Ben was his student who was incredibly strong in the force before he turned to the dark side and destroyed everything. That's why it didn't scare him enough, he probably blames himself for what happened. Now Rey is showing the same tendencies.
I dunno, he was more motivated by saving his friends and not worrying about the consequences than anything else. Besides at that point he had only seen a few seconds of a Darth Vader duel, hardly enough to say he witnessed enormous power.
I think itโd be really odd if that line is about Vader, IMO.
Referring to Ben seems way too obvious, it even cuts to him soon after that. I agree with u/Austyx, it seems very much like a reference to this line in Empire.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:10:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought he was referencing Palpatine, while talking about Snoke.
skyydog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:17:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Something that stood out to me was how many intimate close up shots there were of faces; just like Ozymandias from Breaking Bad. I feel like this will be the most character driven SW movie to date.
I've seen this raw strength only once before. It didn't scare me enough then. It does now.
I would love to discuss all the theories about what this could be.
I think we're led to believe he's referring to Kylo Ren on his departure to the dark side. And Star Wars Episode VII was pretty straight forward. I'm not quite sure if this is actual misdirection.
However, if it is, he could have been referring to:
Vader when Luke was actually training and scared
Palpentine when Luke was being nearly killed by him
Himself? We don't know his story between VI and VII
Snoke? We don't know his story or anything of his powers
Something else
But if I had to put money on it... Kylo and Ren and the next two big super powers of unmatched strength. Luke is afraid to lose Rey to the dark side like he did Kylo. So he doesn't train her. I think that is the straight forward answer. But that means, he's just leaving Snoke and Kylo to run wild.
Idk. I don't quite get why he'd give up. Training Rey has little downside if she goes dark. Dark Jedi/Sith kill eachother all the time.
I had a similar thought. Seems like everyone is assuming heโs referring to Kylo, but we still have no idea who stashed Rey on Jaaku or why they did it. Hiding her from Snoke/protecting others from her power seem like plausible reasons.
I believe in Rian Johnson, I want this film to be amazing, i don't care bout the mary-sue bullshit enthusiasts, I love the current characters and am excited to see where they end up.
The ONLY thing I don't like (and it's minor) is that the AT-ATs have evil red eyes. Like, did the designer in the First Order submit original walker plans to Snoke and receive the feedback, "Make them look eviler".
HK-47b ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:32:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes.
Mackaf ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:05:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And lower leg spikes. Seems they remember both amd tow cables
The ending is two different scenes, Reyโs voice echoes whereas Kyloโs scene doesnโt have any echo
Tenrac ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 10:22:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not to mention, there is no fire raining down around her in the background. I agree that we are seeing two entirely different scenes with very similar lighting there.
Also the lighting is different and Rey is wearing her early-movie outfit while Kylo's scar is healed, indicating that that shot is from later in the movie.
My predictions based on this trailer:
Luke starts to train Rey but becomes scared of her power and stops.
Kylo goes to kill his mother but can't bring himself to do it.
Rey eventually turns to Snoke since Luke won't train her. The scene of her talking to Kylo is actually her talking to Snoke. The scene of masked Kylo picking up his saber is actually Rey.
The scene of Kylo talking to Rey is actually Kylo talking to Luke, attempting to come back to the light side.
There is no such thing as "the light side". There is "the force" and "the dark side of the force". Where in the movies has anyone ever mentioned "the light side"? That is all video game BS.
I think it's down to interpretation to be honest. I can see where you are coming from but for me it implies two sides of an overall thing, which is the force. I think in the novelisation of a New Hope there is mention of "the light side of the force" but I may be wrong.
It would have to be Kylo. He's the only other one, that we know of, that has Skywalker blood running through his veins. I mean, it's a family tradition.
DaSkull ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:11:59 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My point of view of what is going to happen after viewing this trailer.
Balance in the force! Rey pretend to join the dark side and team up with Kylo to kill his master.. At some point Luke dies as well (haven't thought os anything regarding that).. The Sith and the jedi ends. Kylo redeem himself from the dark side. Both become the new Knight of the whills, new order of peace keeper.
Not fluent in english so i just throw it like that, sorry.
Maybe Rey is some sort genetic creation by the Emperor using Skywalker DNA, as part of his posthumous campaign against the Rebel Alliance. In the comics, it's been shown how much Palpatine anticipated his defeat and had developed a contingency plan (which involved Jakku in ways we don't quite know yet).
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So fucking weird to read comments with bold proclamations about how the new trilogy is total garbage and that they refuse to see them. How do you know they're the worst if your not going to see them? How was ep. 7 worse than ep. 1? How do you love something so much that your love is twisted into hate so easily by a movie trailer? Such weirdness in this thread guys.
Rhys1991 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 12:46:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No one hates Star Wars quite like Star Wars fans...
Episode 1 did a much better job of portraying a different era of the galaxy, showing the old republic and the Jedi in their prime. Meanwhile TFA reset everything back to the same dynamics of the OT.
Yes you're right about fleshing out that universe more in episode 1. Lucas did a ton of world building in the prequels. However from a thematic perspective and plot wise the story in it fell short of both Ep. 4 and Ep. 7. It was almost like Ep. 1 explained too much and Ep. 7 didn't explain enough as starting points to their respective trilogies. Then of course there's Jar Jar.... I'm not going to disagree with the fact that Ep. 7 is just an updated Ep. 4 because it was, but the stories in both of those were better than the story and lines in Ep. 1.
jparr02 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:45:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i agree.. i for one cannot wait.. so many questions...
Makes the most sense. And I feel like he knows in detail about Anakin's fall too. Probably talked to Obi Wan, Yoda, Qui Gon, and Anakin himself about it. He thought he was better but after failing like Obi Wan did he's given up.
Trev_N7 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:17:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think he's referring to kylo. But the power he's seen before is probably anakin
cmath89 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:11:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably whoever fucked his Jedi temple up, but just to stir the pot Iโm gonna say Palps.
wukkaz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah that's what I'm kinda confused about, Luke and Anakin are considered the strongest force users to ever exist, right? So, comparing Kyle to Vader is kind of silly right.
Kylo probably, since it cut to the footage of the Jedi temple being burnt down. Although it could be another misleading thing. However, Luke wanted to keep training Kylo even when he knew he was strong and maybe "dark", so when he sees that strength in Rey he's like NOPE. NOT AGAIN. FUCK THIS SHIT I'M OUT.
Yeah if snoke was grooming Kylo prior to his move to the dark side then Luke may have known him. Luke may have even "trained" snoke at the academy. Snoke however was just acting as though he's weak and needs training. All while getting closer to Kylo.
I really hope to god it's Anakin, afterall the guy kicked his ass and choped his hand off...the fuck did Kylo ever do onscreen?. I can't get hyped by Adam Driver no matter what.
This'll get buried but does anyone else think the Ice Dog things just don't fit Star Wars? I always liked Star Wars' alien designs, more specifically in the original trilogy because they actually look what you'd imagine real aliens could look like. They look 'natural'. However these dogs literally look like they could be out of Narnia. I just don't think they fit, I think it's the fact that they are seemingly made of Ice, they don't look natural.
footfoe ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:33:32 on October 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So a big white fox looks less natural than a Wampa or a Rathtar?
They aren't made out of ice. It just has sparkly salt on it's fur to blend in. if anything i say it looks too natural. Like straight up a space fox.
I feel like that may be due to the fact we only saw them for like 2 seconds. Maybe actually seeing them in some scenes for more then 2 seconds will get rid of that kind of look.
Maybe but from what we've seen so far (and we have basically seen a full body shot tbf) I'm not a fan. I think it's the ice look they give off. If they could find a way to make their fur look like actual fur then if be happier with them I think.
Maybe we'll get an upclose shot, like one getting close to Leia or something hopefully. Regardless, still gonna see the film, got my tickets pre ordered all ready :).
Rey is totally in a force vision at the end when sheโs talking to Kylo at the end. Supposed to be luke but sheโs going through her โDagobah Caveโ moment. Bet.
Man whatโs Kylo doing at the end there? Maybe heโs just getting a nice hot dog in the beautiful city at night from a stand instead of reaching for Reyโs supposed hand. Think guys. Think.
noshato ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:26:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't tell if they're being straight forward or if its all just misdirection.
They make it seem like:
Luke sees a power in Rey, he's only seen once before. Definitely not leading toward Vader because of the destruction/fire scene. Kylo/Snoke maybe, unless he's referring to himself
Kylo is debating killing his mother
Rey looks to Kylo for guidance
I believe Mark Hamill made some comments about not agreeing with the direction of Luke Skywalker here, and as a fan of the EU, I may understand that.
I can list several possibilities of what is happening here... and none of them line up with the EU version of Luke Skywalker, which is kind of upsetting to me. I mean, I know. EU is gone. But some of us still want to see some of that brought into the Disney Star Wars (Like Trawn, is still very much Thrawn)
Yea EU Luke is not gonna happen. Sadly I got the vibe that Luke isn't gonna be important outside of training Rey, and killing him off to let the new generation in.
Introduces the young kid their new life, but dies.
Now with VIII:
Luke is going to take on the Yoda role.
Potential off the charts.
Unwilling to train the young one, beaten
Dies in an unheroic fashion (though not demeaning)
Gives the young one enough guidance to win the day
I gotta hope there's going to be more to it than that... I mean, I watched that movie already. I love it. But... I've seen it. VII got a pass for being the new introductory star wars to the young gen.
vhiran ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:10:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the misdirection looked to be via voiceovers because we couldn't tell who they were talking to.
So i'd say...
Luke is referring to Kylo as the power he'd seen only once before.
Kylo hesitates on killing his mother, the scene implies until they 'connected' he had no idea she was even on it. He won't take the shot, but someone else might, plenty of other TIE fighters around.
Rey takes on Snoke. Obviously a horrible mistake.
You're familiar with the old EU... it reminds me of dark empire, where Leia and Luke together were the only way to vanquish the emperor once and for all.
The fact that Kylo and Rey are equals while Snoke is obviously a step above them seems to imply that they both need to take him on.
given the strange tidbits about snoke's backstory, he seems almost like a canon abeloth.
Thau831 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:55:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
From what I gather, Luke doesnโt want to train Rey because her strength is similar to Kyloโs and he was easily manipulated. Star Wars is basically the story of the Skywalkers, and the Skywalkers are the only known ones to be the most powerful (Anakin/Vader, Luke, Kylo Ren, and now apparently Rey). Does this mean Rey is a Skywalker?
Whether or not itโs by blood, Rey is the heir to the Skywalker legacy now
Hence, Rey gets the saber instead of Kylo Ren on Starkiller Base
So put it down as a yes
skootz ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:58:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Crazy talk time. Luke is actually leaning toward the dark side, has isolated himself to keep from hurting anyone. Rey shows up, is super powerful, and the scene where Luke says "this is not going to go how you think" - he's actually talking to Rey as she is wanting to take him down after realizing that he could be bad. It shows her diving/falling into water then coming out to face Luke in the rain and Luke is dressed in black. Also it shows a sad Leia in the middle of him saying that.
Also, the fire and stuff in the background when Kylo offers his hand to what is assumed to be Rey, he's actually offering it to Luke to go along with the scene when it shows the building burning and Luke is with R2-D2.
Or not.
Btide ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:05:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
100% not...He has the Scar in that scene. The scene with the burning building/luke is when Kylo destroyed the temple.
mozeef98 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:30:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can we please talk about that adorable hamster ๐น hanging with Chewie? Obviously we donโt want another Jar Jar but that sound it made gave me a warm feeling inside!
poollol ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:01:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
โIโve seen this much raw power only once before. It didnโt scare me enough then. It does now.โ
What of this is about snoke? The burnt down building is the place that luke was training the new force users, luke and snoke had a huge fight there destroying everything and leaving snoke deformed.
Looks great, but I really hope they don't diminish Luke in any way. In a world where Luke is crazy strong and he met types like Vader and Palpatine, it just seems wrong for types like Rey to have such innate power that it scares him.
Sure, she (and Kylo I hope) have immense raw potential, but Luke should definitely show us just how strong HE is.
Snoke is really after Luke. And they way to Luke is through his family. He corrupted Ben, had him kill his best friend, so it would force him out of hiding.
He will do the same thing with Rey.
It would be amazing if, at the end of TLJ, Rey does switch sides. But Kylo remains on the dark side, too. And the climax of the final movie is Luke facing all three in a serious epic battle where he tries to bring Kylo and Rey back while fighting Snoke.
I know it's probably not what happens but it'd be awesome if when he says "this will not go how you think" he's talking to the knights of ren right before kicking their ass and it being our first exposure to post OT look using a light saber
deephal ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:20:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you think Disney would actually let Rey fall to the dark side? She's one of their biggest leads. It would be insane and amazing if Disney had the balls to do it. But I don't know if they do.
So here's my kinda out of left field theory. I'm sure everyone has their theory and mine will be glazed over just like every other theory. But I just want to put this out there and call it just in case it turns out to be true.
There are a few scenes that obviously stand out in my opinion. I'll describe what I believe happens in chronological order.
First (although only tangentially related) Kylo goes out on what appears to be a mission to kill his mother to complete his dark side. He fails and is somwhat demoralized. Snoke takes notice of his apprentice's weakness and turns his eyes towards Rey. I believe he'll tell Kylo to turn Rey to the dark side instead of just outright killing her.
Meanwhile, Rey asks Luke for help defeating Snoke. When he refuses and tells her he won't train her, she runs off to take down Snoke on her own.
In a somewhat mirror event of the battle between Vader and Luke, we'll see Rey and Kylo fight. She'll tell him she needs someone to show her the way. Kylo will view this as an opening to turn her. But in a wild turn of events, she'll pull a fake out and seriously injure him (thinking that she killed him) in some fashion similar to Luke losing his hand.
Then she'll go to confront Snoke who will be pleased at her violence and anger. She'll go to fight him and he'll push her to the breaking point, telling her to fulfill her prophecy (which I think in this case would be to kill Snoke and become a Sith lord.) She'll do so and fulfill her prophecy with Kylo coming back as a pseudo Luke in the next movie and Rey taking the route that Emperor Palpatine originally wanted Luke to take.
I feel like this wouldn't be too outlandish because it follows this theme of mirroring the past while still playing on Luke's fears that his apprentice will become evil again. I wouldn't mind this because I'd hate to see them play it super obvious. Luke refuses to train her until he comes around a la Hercules. Kylo will kill Leia then lose to Rey. Rey will confront Snoke but won't kill him as he'll get away. Blah blah. I think setting Rey up as the villain for episode 9 would take many by surprise while making way for the other hero's to shine. Alternatively, maybe Kylo won't take the good side and instead will go out on his own while Finn becomes force sensitive and goes on to battle Rey in episode 9. But that last bit is just wishful thinking.
Ottott ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:37:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think you're pretty close. Check my comment out in this thread. We're running on similar veins.
grackula ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:40:33 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
tealfan ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:50:38 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When it looked like Kylo was about to kill Leia (by shooting down that ship) and Leia seemed to sense it, all I could think was Leia saying: "Don't you dare, young man! Or I'll give you the spanking of your life!"
Apologies if this has been brought up, but I haven't seen it yet. One thought I can't believe it took this long for me to have: the trailer was suspiciously devoid of Benicio Del Toro, which I would posit means either his role is not that pivotal (pffft) or his character is directly involved in a major plot event(s). Otherwise, he would at least get a quick cut because he's an A-lister and you stack your star power in a movie trailer. Something to keep in mind as we continue speculating: what sort of wild card role he will play.
Thinking about that last scene, it might just be cut to appear as if it's Rey and Kylo talking whilst in reality, at least one of them might be talking to Del Toro's character, who, I hope, is Ezra. I haven't been keeping up with new rumors and speculations but one of the first things people talked about when they found out Benicio Del Toro has a role in the movie was that he might be playing Ezra, right? The only major issue I have with this is that season 4 of Rebels won't have ended by the time TLJ comes out so we it might be confusing to have Ezra appear in the movie before we know how his story ends in Rebels.
It wouldn't surprise him like it obviously does. Plus you can see Rey's back. She's in the meditating pose you see when she levitates the rock bits. In that shot, you can see the bottom of her shoe. It's pretty clear that her meditation and getting in touch with the Force causes the ground to split, surprising Luke.
My personal theory is that her meditation causes their escarpment to fall into the water, sending them down into the ocean, where they swim into a cavern, and get out of the water (dramatic coming out of the water shot later in trailer). I think Luke, is fresh out of the water, wet and shocked from the fall, when he says the line about being afraid of the power. But then someone in a hood is standing off to the side when she gets out of the water, so either that's not Luke, or he is talking to someone else (yoda/anakin/obi-wan force ghost) before she gets out of the water, then regains his composure by the time she climbs out.
He would've felt it in the force, just like Leia did. He'd know already. Plus he wasn't THAT close to Han, so I don't think it would anger him enough to give in to his anger and break the ground. Plus his face after the ground is broken is a face of surprise. So unless he's surprised that he did that (which is doubtful as he's portrayed as old and wise) then it was obviously Rey
Notice he doesn't have the synth like scar? I think we're going to see a cave parallel.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:06:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ugh I would love for Rey to turn to the dark side and for Luke to truly be the last Jedi. But I doubt that happens because hollywood and that was just a diversion spoiler.
I agree its too good and that's why it'll never happen.
It's what I've being hoping for that Luke can't just have his problems that he was involved with handed over the next generation, something that has become really cliche. He and he alone has to stick it out and beat the odds by himself.
They'll just redeem her in the 3rd film if she goes dark here, she'll only be dipping her toes unfortunately.
Luke is the Last Jedi. I don't think Rey will be taking that role.
I think we will end without Sith or Jedi, because that opens up the most room for new content. Disney will be able to go crazy with force stuff for the yearly Star Wars movies over the next 10 years.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:19:59 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs-a-me, Mario, and I love lasagna!
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:32:37 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And Jar Jar is Kylo
Sith911 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:08:00 on October 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, Jar Jar is a sith lord...
Sith911 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:51:16 on October 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Every Star Wars fan is contemplating Rey's parents...I don't think it's her parents who are that important, but her grandfather, Emperor Palpatine. Perhaps Snoke is really Palpatine, concealing his true identity. Snoke/Palpatine is using Ren and will kill him when the time is right, revealing himself when he is strong enough. Ren wants to follow in his grandfather's steps (Vader) and Snoke/Palpatine knows how important this is to him. Snoke/Palpatine is pitting Ren against Rey, just ask Palpatine and Vader battled in ROTJ. Snoke/Palpatine will at last have his vengeance on Skywalker/Vader when he kills his grandson, completing the cycle. Afterall, Rey utilizes the same forward thrust stab on her opening move the first time she handles the lightsaber against Ren. And the forward thrusting stab is the opening move the Emperor utilized against the Jedi when they attempted to arrest him. This is the reason why Luke had the forlorn look in his eye when Rey locates him at the end of The Force Awakens. He knows she probably is unaware of her familial history. Perhaps Luke someone found and rescued Rey as a child and dropped her off on Jakku?
jackvico ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 02:05:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
KYLO IS THE BEST NEW STAR WARS CHARACTER DONT FUCKIN @ ME M8
Luke met Vader (Anakin), Palpatine, Yoda, and Obi-Wan, probably the three most powerful Force users outside of himself in all of Star Wars canon, and then another that was very powerful in his own right.
I'm not sure how I feel about him saying that Rey and Kylo (we can infer) surpass the strength of Anakin, Palpatine, and Yoda.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:14:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would wager that he interacts with or reaches out and feels Snoke's presence and comparing him to Vader or Sidious. That's who he is referring to IMO.
Watching Force awakens again and with the trailer in mind it hit me.....why is Finn in a officer's outfit? And fighting Phasma? Is he the spoiler Rian was talking about? I mean he betrayed the First Order and aided with destroying their secret weapon and they took him back?!?!?!? But he may just be hiding among the big crowd.
Just finished and realized he could be having temporary anesthesia and the fight with Phasma is when it wears off as his memories are coming back...
Pics of Finn in First Order uniform on the trailer.
He could be but after his fight with Kylo he could be in a coma and when he wakes up he has no memory of what happened prior. Or he could be a spy but with everyone knowing he is a traitor I can't see them not noticing him.
tycho500 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:36:52 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I need a reminder... Who/what was phasma again..? Im a bit rusty
Misdirection. There's a ton of flaming debris behind Kylo. There isn't any in Rey's shot. Also, the lighting is slightly different, so I'm pretty sure these are two different scenes.
redjc99 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:08:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's called a Porg
dsul413 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:58:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One of the better descriptions I've seen of a porg.
Corr521 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:09:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My guess, Rey doesn't actually ask Kylo for help even though it seemed that way (different lighting).
Luke is gonna say he's never seen this much raw power after seeing her crack the stone and what not. They make it seem like he turns her away but the training footage is most likely after him saying he won't train her and him asking for guidance is probably what convinced him.
Battle scenes look amazing so excited. Need a good space battle too so YES
Tuttle51 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:11:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe I should of realized this already but this movie is literally picking up right where the other left off. Definitely something theyโve never done before
Probably because the characters are heavily based off of Jania and Jacen who were siblings so it makes people think that'll be the case. I doubt it though. I think it's more likely she's Luke's Child than Han/Leia's but I think even that chance is small.
ZebZ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:40:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who says Leia just isn't saying anything?
Hubers57 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:44:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Canon novels
ZebZ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:46:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll take your word for it. I'm behind on my books.
LtDrg35 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:08:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So I'm late to the party but here are my theories:
Ok first of all, I think the theory of 'Kylo left Rey on Jakku to protect her from Snoke' is accurate.
In TFA Kylo was freaking out about a girl on Jakku, then there was the tension when he mentioned it to Snoke.
During his interrogation scene there was a connection between them, and this is what it is.
I think that Snoke is actually talking to Rey at the very beginning, showing images of Kylo with the voice over is a red herring.
Rey, it goes without saying, has serious abandonment issues. She's struggled and suffered and found Luke Skywalker. Trained with him, trusted him because he's a Jedi Master and a hero.
And he's afraid of her power, and just like Yoda he's wounded by his failed apprentice but he can't get over it and see her for who she is. He bails, sealing her into the cave as he decides it is "Time for the Jedi to end" and abandons her there.
The smoke and fire at the end is that the First Order came after Like and just found Rey trapped and alone. Kylo used his fighter to blow the fuck out of the cave wall. She's scared, alone again and yeah, probably pissed off. She goes with him.
He takes her to Snoke, who reveals her supposed destiny. After that I really don't know, but anyway that's all I've got right now.
I'd love to hear what other people think.
(Also, I think while it has hints of ESB with Luke pulling a Yoda and being nervous about Rey, my theory makes it a bit Episode III with Luke walking away and leaving Rey to fend for herself, possibly even to die if she's trapped in the cave itself.)
Someone else theorized this, and I think it's likely:
For whatever reason, the Resistance/New Republic sends Finn back into the First Order to infiltrate some base or ship. His cover is that he was a double agent from the beginning, and that his "true" loyalties lie with the FO. So they promote him to officer and parade him around as a hero; meanwhile, he uses his position to sabotage the FO. Phasma finds out and fights him.
Star Wars doesn't win Oscars, because it's as much about Hollywood politics as it is about any artistic merit. Heck, beyond JW's music, they often don't even get nominated. Despite their budgets and distribution by Fox, the prequels were essentially indie films--and more than that, sci-fi indie films. From the beginning, George Lucas never tried to hide his disdain for the Hollywood establishment (he located his headquarters in San Francisco, rather than LA, and put Skywalker Ranch way out in Marin County). With the new films being distributed by the largest of all studio juggernauts, it's possible there might be some extra pressure for Oscar campaigns, but it's not likely.
Crazy theory: Leia is on the dark side. The person with the raw power that Luke should have been scared of is Leia. Kylo Ren is Lukes Spy.
It's a pretty ambitious theory but working with the assumption that there are two sith, as usual, and kylo Ren and Rey are working together that leaves three valid possibilities, Snoke, Luke, Leia.
Any thoughts??
yakatuus ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 08:25:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
5 billion was a fucking steal. I have watched this 10 times.
Jeranda ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 08:57:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
During the part where Luke is saying "This is not going to go the way you think" - It looks like he's lying down on the ground, almost as if he was knocked down or something. It also looks like its in the same scene where Rey dives in the water and comes out to see Luke standing there. Maybe Luke pisses her off and she loses control and force pushes/explodes sending Luke backwards onto the ground. Also maybe she's angry and him and is almost confronting him / trying to fight him a bit, and that line he says is his warning to Rey for her to back off because he could easily kick her ass. Or possibly its from the same flash back that Rey has where its raining and maybe thats what he's saying to Kylo.
I feel like Luke is talking go a force ghost of either Yoda, Obi or his father when he talks about his fear of this new power from Rey
fyrilin ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 12:07:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well okay, a few things we know:
Luke was at his academy when it was destroyed. Looks like it was dropped on him.
Luke takes the lightsaber but gives it back
Luke DOES train Rey at least a little bit
Luke is surprised at her power (seen in the rock hover/break shot)
New AT-ATs look amazing
We're going to get at least references to some awesome Jedi lore
It's Kylo saying to let the past die, not someone talking to him
X-Wings can have a booster engine in the middle of the X now
Finn's back at fighting strength
Ice dogs. That is all
Snoke tortures Rey
Inferences:
The white planet is a new rebel base. We see Leia standing at the entrance that looks a lot like Hoth while the ice dogs run inside and that's also likely the planet where the AT-AT scene happens (sigh, again)
Finn is either captured or undercover
Rey is likely talking to Luke in the "I need someone to show me" scene because the background looks more like rock with no real "falling fire" effect as in the next scene with Kylo
Kylo likely gets in to the white planet base. That's what the ground looks like in the opening scene
Falcon probably is escaping the white/red planet in the cave scene. Same color scheme
Observations:
There's something that looks like a skull in the water where Rey dives
Leia blinks with her left eye first (not important, just noticed it going frame by frame)
Chewy is again in the copilot's seat in the Falcon. Doesn't show who's in the pilot's seat
In the scene with Finn fighting Phasma, there are stormtroopers in the background shooting at something else
Snoke does seem rather human
One of the Praetorian Guard is seen in the scene where Snoke tortures Rey
In the scene where Kylo reaches out his hand, he has the scar but NOT the carbon-fiber-looking cover. I'm not sure what the order of those things is but the carbon fiber is likely a bandage since it's in the scene where he smashes the helmet and he doesn't have the helmet on while flying his TIE (but does have the bandage)
In the earlier scenes, Kylo's helmet is intact so it must have been rebuilt. However, he smashes it
I wonder if Luke could be referring to himself in regards to "I've seen this raw strength only once before"? Either that or he felt it in Kylo and then he fell to the darkside and posed a huge threat to the galaxy.
There's no way they make Rey turn to the dark side. With all the Forces of Destiny stuff, she's become an icon for young girls. They aren't going to ruin that, even if it would make for a good twist.
I agree. The whole "Rey goes Dark and Kylo comes to the Light" theory that is becoming popular seems like such a silly move.
It's not gonna happen.
Ottott ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:40:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think it will be as simple as a turn. My guess is we're going to finally see "Essence Transfer" in a movie and made canon. Snoke will essentially possess Rey's body, and the third film will be a crusade to free her from said possession.
Given that both the director and actors said not to watch the trailer, but obviously knew we would see it and wanted us to makes me feel like the misdirects are confirmed.
Why say don't watch the trailer if it's going to be full of misdirects? They wanted us to think we were being spoiled and yet we still know nothing at all
I've wondered if Luke realized that perhaps the Jedi were always doomed to fail in its previous incarnation. His experience with Vader showed him (imo) that emotions (love and hate) have their place, and to deny them is to be out of balance. I'm hoping he'll come up with a "balanced" force user, neither Sith nor Jedi.
Did you ever hear the Tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise? It's a Sith legend. Darth Plagueis was a Dark Lord of the Sith so powerful and so wise, he could use the Force to influence the midi-chlorians to create...life. He had such a knowledge of the Dark Side, he could even keep the ones he cared about...from dying. He became so powerful, the only thing he was afraid of was losing his power...which, eventually of course, he did. Unfortunately, he taught his apprentice everything he knew. Then his apprentice killed him in his sleep. Ironic. He could save others from death...but not himself.
seyon35 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:12:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It could be, but Leia dying by Kylo's hand seems poetic imo. A character like Leia deserves to go out fighting. I know I'd be disappointed if she got something like Nimoy's send off in the Star Trek movies (not that it wasn't well done) during Episode 9.
Plus, I got some Anakin in the prequel-type vibes from Kylo in this trailer. It seems like he's going to have a further descent into darkness. He doesn't seem like he even needs to either, but it would make for some real tension when he and Rey have their Empire-style talk about who's joining what side (if they aren't totally destroying the concept of sides).
That ending can't possibly be real. Before, we see Kylo with the carbon fiber scar thing, yet when he extends out his arm, it isn't present, meaning it's probably a flashback.
Tashre ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:42:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Many people thinking Rey is going to join Kylo on the dark side when I predict she's going to abandon the light side of Luke's teachings while Kylo abandons the dark (probably after offing his mother?) and the popular theory of light and dark segregation of the Force is broken down by the two of them.
vhiran ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:46:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
kylo looks pretty chill blasting away at the ship until the final moments where he realizes she's on it, cue hesitation. I doubt he'll do it, the scene almost implies he had no idea she was on the ship at all, despite the voiceover about 'kill the past' he's the one character who never seems to buy what he's selling.
props to adam driver for looking like he was about to throw up when considering the shot.
But he's got plenty of other TIE fighters with him that can take the shot for him.
I know the Porgs are going to get a lot of hate for just being made up to sell toys and merch but goddamn if it isn't cute as fuck
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:14:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty fucking sure Rey is going to end up being the one to join the Dark Side / become Snoke's apprentice. I think Snoke is just using Kylo to get to Rey, since she is far stronger and has far more potential. Once Kylo realizes this (combined with the death of his mother, who I DO think will die but Kylo will hesitate and not be the one to pull the trigger but maybe Phasma does), he will go back to joining the Light.
And in Episode 9, we'll have Light Side Kylo VS Dark Side Rey.
With all the misdirection and editing of the trailer it's probably not how it'll play out but loved that moment with Kylo hesitating to fire on Leia.
I'm liking the idea of Rey going to the Dark Side and Kylo being the one that fights to bring down the First Order. After all Rey beat him when she tapped into the Dark Side and didn't hold back her anger.
I mean could you redeem Kylo for all he has done by the end of the movie? No but they could make a start. If he idolizes Vader so much then perhaps his destiny is to follow in Grandpa's footsteps and make a heroic return to the light.
Kasuge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:15:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you sure can redeem him. he isn't irredeemable. if anything I can see Anakin/Vader coming back to talk some sense into his relative. His father couldn't, luke can't. who else can at this point? mabye his mother but it's a stretch.
I don't get this talk of there being spoilers in this trailer. Yes there are shots of Rey and Kylo maybe teaming up and Kylo maybe killing Leia but that's the point of a trailer. They're supposed to draw you in and get you hyped and to create speculation that could be right or could be wrong. Also there's no way of shit getting spoiled if you haven't seen the fucken movie.
Watch the trailer if you want to and don't if you don't want too
galaxikk ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:55:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm just surprised we havenโt seen any Laura Dern or Benecio Del Toro
Am i the only one getting a star wars rebels vibe from this ? The porg, ice fox, the shot of in the crystal pyramid looking cave that looks like where they go in the season 2 final for the sith artifact, Rey finding some sort of artifact.
Looks like we are getting a much darker movie this time around ladies and gents! Haven't had chills like this throughout a movie trailer in a long while :D so god damn excited!
My take: Luke is the Last Jedi. Luke refuses to train Rey after what happened to Kylo until is convinced he should. Ia agree with some other redditors that the Kylo/Rey sequence is either complete misdirection or similar to Luke in the cave. It would make zero sense for Rey to turn to the darkside. I'm just not sure what the major twist will be.
hulibuli ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:59:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wish they would have made Kylo geeting hit in the face with a lightsaber more severe consequences. In TFA it had more impact than several random planets getting genocided, and now it's just a tiny sexy scar.
I wonder if those red caves that Chewie was flying through were on the planet Bastatha, from the bloodline novel.
The caves in that planet were also described as red stone, and big enough to fly through.
And of course, the local crime lord had connections with the First Order.
Also, I'm 99% sure that I saw Kylo fly past a Starhawk-class ship, from the Aftermath novels.
I'm glad to see that Kylo is getting rid of the stupid fucking helmet as he's letting go of the past (as in, being a Darth Vader fanboy/cosplayer). I'm pumped for this movie and its obvious the trailer is misdirecting us in a lot of different ways.
I think most of us would agree that the scene in the trailer where she asks for help and Kylo extends his hand Is two different scenes spliced together.
However, Snoke wants Rey so he can turn her. And Kylo wanted her on his side too, however it's still unclear if Kylo wants her to bring to Snoke or if he has his own plans. And Rey WANTS to be trained by Luke but he seems to be rejecting her. What little training she gets from him, he is reluctant to provide.
That being said, his rejection could certainly push her to Kylo or Snoke. She wants answers. However, I don't believe she would team up with Kylo. Keep in mind all that has happened between them. Every time she came across him, he did something terrible that directly affects her. First, he chases her through a forest, terrifying her. He paralyzed her and then took her aboard her ship to torture and mind-rape her. Then he kills her mentor and 1 of 2 people who gave a shit about her, then he seriously wounds the other. Finally, he fights her and tries to take her away.
What I'm saying is, she's not gonna team up with him, but the implication certainly is being pushed in this trailer.
That opening quote about raw power is definitely about rey and not kylo.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:03:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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bill2401 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:52:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's talking about Ben solo (Kylo Ren). He felt how powerful he was, but he wasn't afraid until that power was used to destroy his Jedi temple. Now he knows to be afraid when he senses that power in Rey.
I was worried how clunky Leia departure would be, some half arsed excuse and patchwork shots and story but after seeing this I donโt think they are going to pussyfoot around it. It actually looks like itโs driving the story.
Iโd be satisfied if Kylo killed Leia, it would make him so convincing as a villain and more emotive and personal than if Snoke did it (unless he had a connection to the skywalkers we donโt know about) also as a powerful woman it seems like she would only be vulnerable facing her own son.
Whatever happens this is definitely not a carbon copy of ESB but does look a lot darker and complex
Be careful, Leia's scenes were all filmed before she passed, and the movie was already filmed. So, the movie was made with the intention of Leia being in the next film. I have no idea how they will handle her character in this film and/or the next, but I doubt there was any feasible way to reshoot scenes and restructure entire story arcs to include a "death of Leia" plot.
Agreed but the trailer seems to be playing on a will kylo/wonโt kylo moment when heโs in his TIE fighter
As you said because Carrie Fischer died after it with filmed. I doubt we are going to see a close up death more like an space craft explosion. But I honestly thought it was going to be a something added on the end, not related. Thatโs why Iโm not a screenwriter
I think my fear is her death wonโt be satisfying or it sounds bad but that she doesnโt die and we see her go off into space with no closure
I am with you. I hope Leia is unabashedly killed off screen in an extremely powerful way that even eclipses the death of Han. I am right there with you. She needs to go out with a blaze of glory.
Okay so here it is, my theory after watching the new trailer. Has anyone really considered that Rey is actually the daughter of Emperor Palpatine and they the idea of the Skywalker story actually continues with Ben. After watching the trailer a dozen times through I really think that Rey is Palpatine's child and that the twist in the last Jedi will be that what we thought and wrote theories on is totally false and Kylo is actually the the last Jedi and Rey is actually the second in the theory of two. And in the end of the movie Rey will kill Snoke and become the sith master she was went to be. This goes off a few other theories that say the positions will be reversed between Rey and Kylo. What are your thoughts?
Edit: so after reading all the responses I agree that she might not be his child per say but I still think that it could be his descendant in a way.
She seems to have been born after the time of his death, much less the time he would likely have a child. I would also imagine he would keep her around rather than abandon her
Well considering Emperor Palpatine died in Return of the Jedi, he couldn't have kept her. Maybe watch the movies before you reply. And I see you said he died, but that the doesn't mean he couldn't be her dad. The timeline between episode 6 and 7 could mean she is still her dad.
Sorry, I'm not that upset and edited my response. I just think that in episode VII she may refer to her parents, but that doesn't mean they are her real parents. I mean Luke and Leia didn't really know their real parents.
edit: Will explain more. There are only 30 star wars years between the RTJ and TFA, and no offense to Riley because she doesn't look 30 but this could still be Emperor Palpatine's daughter and she is 30 in the first movie.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:26:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would be refreshing and taking a risk.........which is exactly why Disney won't do it.
I do agree that Disney would not take this risk, but there has been confirmed proof that the writers for the new series have said that this will no be the same Star Wars. This makes me think that we will see a storyline unlike anything we have seen before. I also think this would fit great with the idea from TFA, when they show a spacecraft leaving Rey on Tatooine. As the Jedi left her there so she would not realize her relationship to the dark side. this theory is also based that Luke doesn't really know who she really is, which is the downfall to the storyline, but it would make a great story.
ha7on ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:52:18 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
well considering there is only 30 star wars years between episode VI and VII then they wouldn't have to freeze it per say. But I mean it is just a theory, not a truth.
ha7on ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:23:32 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They wouldn't? So how would palpy be the dad? Clone? Virgin birth? I mean it is your theory.
I mean Palpatine had her with someone we have never heard of. No offense to Riley but she could be 30+ in the movie although she looks younger. It isn't unbelievable. I don't know if they will play it that way, but the writers did say that this is not the normal Star Wars movie and I think there has to be a BIG twist to make it great, so it would be great to make her a relative of a totally dark side character and make Kylo turn to the light side and be The Last Jedi.
ha7on ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:37:01 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean that is from a website and not from the movies. Not saying you are wrong, but could it be possible that the movie will play it differently? I mean that the website could even be updated by people to throw us off from what really happened.
ha7on ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:49:05 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea, but the clone idea is overplayed as of the newer trilogy and I don't think they would really play off that considering they have said this is unlike any Star Wars we have seen before.
MChez ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:50:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Those ice lynx look baaaaaad af
cronuss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:52:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think they are more like foxes, and they are made of crystal (or crystals grow on them).
The only thing that struck me as a bit weird is that Kylo didn't seem godly in Episode 7. But Luke says that he had a crazy amount of raw power. I guess it just means he hasn't harnessed it yet? That's part of his frustration in Episode 7?
Ottott ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 23:23:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cept for in the first scene when he FROZE A BLASTER BOLT. No one has done that in canon before. The other times we saw him wield his power his insides were literally falling out and he was using the dark side to hold himself together.
Yeah thatโs true. Though I took that to be more of a different aesthetic of force powers for a new set of movies, rather than an important distinction. I could be wrong.
RomuRaf ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 11:55:29 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm with you there. I think it was just a "hey, wouldn't it be cool if..." thing. Doesn't really transfer to the rest of the movie in any way.
Except the part where he forgot to bfreeze cheewies bolt despute the fact he looked at it the whole way and then casyally got beat by two noobs, one wasnt even a jedi
Idk i just am a firm believer te villain should always be more powerful than the hero. Especially in star wars the hero always loses their first fight, rite of passage u know :)
Ottott ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:27:01 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't fault you for that feeling. I too favor the Spiderman form of story telling, but in this situation Kylo just had a shit load going on. If not for his emotional and physical distractions he would have waxed Rey almost immediately, but you can't ignore the turmoil going on within him affecting his focus and thus his connection to the dark side.
Kylo is reaching out to Anakin/Vader during his burning on Mustafar. Kylo is having a "Force Dream" like Rey in this film and he is reaching out to assist his fallen grandfather adding to this anger and turn further to the Dark Side. Thats why we see what looks like ashes and fire behind him in the clip.
stafar. Kylo is having a "Force Dream" like Rey in this film and he is reaching out to assist his fallen grandfather adding to this anger and turn further to the Dark Side. Thats why we see what looks like ashes and fire behind him in the clip.
I was thinking that about the prequels. Nothing was similar to the originals and I had no problems with it. Why canโt they do that with the new films? I didnโt even know there was issues with the prequels until I got older and the latest film came out (Iโm only 22) I was little and I thought it was all cool. But even now I see no issues. But maybe I just donโt know better but I hope they donโt make it like how they did TFA
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:35:17 on October 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because the prequels are absolute garbage with terrible acting, writing, and direction. It seems to be a generational thing for those who enjoy them and those who don't. You were a child when they came out, so you have a strong attachment to them.
I'd rather have movies that are slightly similar to the original trilogy (and to be fair, it's called the hero's journey and lots of stories use it) then have some shitty plot based around a trade blockade and Jedis flipping around like they're on crack. Jesus that was awful.
Beyond that, none of the characters outside of Obi Wan were even slightly sympathetic in the prequels. I actually enjoy the cast and characters of tFA and tLJ.
I was just listening to the awesome trailer soundtrack from episode 2 and thought the same thing. The PT and TFA might have been flawed movies in their own ways, but each one offered the idea of something new - e.g. seeing a bunch of Jedi actually at war, seeing Anakin and Obi Wan dual, even seeing old Han Solo, an ex Stormtrooper, and a distinctly new droid in BB8.
This new trailer hasn't promised a single new thing and it feels kind of bland for it. It's the same characters, same situations as we saw in the last movie, just seeming more stretched out (Finn vs Phasma, Grumpy Luke on Island, Kylo killing parents, Pilot guy being Pilot guy, etc), and then recycled stuff from the OT (walkers attacking base, chewie in falcon, etc).
I'm really not feeling the hype except for the Snoke/Rey scene, which is the only one that doesn't feel completely predictable and recycled.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 20:39:45 on October 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What are you talking about? The new trailer reveals basically nothing about the plot. How can you possibly make judgments based off of it?
And how are walkers attacking something (you don't even know if it's a base) recycling plot? That's like saying, "This movie had tanks attacking something! That's just like every other war movie!". No shit. Walkers are a common Imperial unit. It would be similar if it was on a snow planet and they were attacking a base that was being evacuated, but...it's not.
Also, how is Chewie flying the ship he owns a recycled element? Seriously?
What are you talking about? The new trailer reveals basically nothing about the plot.
That's what I said? It shows nothing new, it just shows the same characters and situations we've seen before, it might be the most uninspiring trailer that I can recall seeing in decades of the star wars franchise.
And how are walkers attacking something (you don't even know if it's a base) recycling plot?
Gee I wonder why anybody seeing a line of walkers attacking a base with a blast shield which Leia is standing in would worry that the plot might be a repeat of ESB, after how much TFA was a clone of ANH, down to the untrained jedi apprentice from the desert planet who found the droid and anakin's lightsaber practicing with the last jedi who is a grumpy old hermit.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:18:07 on October 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you listening to yourself? A base is being attacked. Ok? That sounds like every movie involving a war. What are they supposed to attack? A McDonalds? Oh hey, there's space fighter combat too! IN SPACE! What a rehash! Do you even think before you type? I mean obviously not with that beyond stupid Chewbacca comment.
And of course there's a master and apprentice dynamic, there were no Jedi left after Episode VI except for Luke.
And lastly, tFA trailers didn't reveal much at all either. That's the point. They're trying to make non-spoilery trailers. Where have you been? That's pretty common knowledge.
Jesus, learn to have productive conversation if you want people to reply. You're not being honest about what I've said and you're screeching your opinion at me with insults. There's absolutely no point replying to you.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:36:06 on October 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not being honest about what? Please, enlighten me. 'cause it just seems like you're taking generalities and warble garbling about how tLJ looks like rehash just to be an ass. If you can't actually reply with content, then it's pretty obvious how far your head is up your ass with all of this. Seriously. A battle scene does not = rehash.
Is it, though? Many fans are children, true, but these children's parents were fans of the originals and are now taking their kids, so it's aimed as much at parents as children.
It's a fair enough point, I just thought it was really out of place with the tone of the whole thing. A minor gripe for sure, just thought it didn't belong.
To build bird thingie hype with the kiddos. Star Wars is all about merch โย little sqeek hachimal thingie will sell like hotcakes this Xmas. Had to shoehorn it in there to please the toy gods.
It was just tonally off. The entire trailer had a certain tone, then there was this weird thing squaking that didn't fit at all. No deleting here, I'll ride it to the bottom if people are really that petty. I thought it broke the tone of the trailer, if that really makes people that mad I suppose I'll take the downvotes.
the2belo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:00:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, one of the first things people said when they saw the trailers for The Force Awakens was, OH GOD ANOTHER CUTESY DROID SIDEKICK.
I totally agree. Even if that little bird thing is in the movie, that I can deal with, but the trailer...? No. It definitely messed up the flow of the tone of darkness for me.
I think Rey is going to attempt to take down Snoke & Kylo from the inside, but fails and becomes ensnared in the dark side herself. Similar to Luke turning (briefly) to the dark side in Legends
Snoke (I think): "When I found you I saw raw, untained power. And beyond that something truly special."
A throwaway villain line spoken to Kylo --- possibly when Kylo confronts him and learns the truth.
Rey: "Something inside me has always been there. But now it's awake. And I need help."
Possibly spoken to Kylo after he reveals the truth to her and she accepts the reality that she is gonna need some serious help explaining the confusion all around her.
Luke: "I've seen this raw strenght only once before. It didn't scare me enough then. It does now."
Spoken to Rey as a compliment --- actually referring to his own power and the threat his new apprentice poses to him. He may claim he's referring to another's power, but that's because he's manipulating her.
Kylo Ren: "Let the past die. Kill it. If you have to. That's the only way to become what you were meant to be."
Explaining his own situation as he learns the truth and turns to the light side.
Poe: "We are the spark that'll light the fire that'll burn the First Order down."
Generic throwaway line to rally the troops.
Finn: "Come on!"
Another generic throwaway line to rally the troops.
Luke: "This is not going to go the way you think!"
Spoken to Rey as part of his manipulation because nobody expects Luke to be the primary villain.
Snoke: "Fulfill your destiny."
Probably spoken to Kylo. It could be similar to the Emperor's line spoken to Luke. It may be after he accepts his imminent death and encourages Kylo to kill Luke.
Rey: "I need someone to show me my place in all this."
Another generic throwaway line --- probably spoken to Luke as she tries to further her training. But he was planning to train her all along.
Assuming we haven't been misdirected (which we absolutely were), I think Kylo is going to back out at the last minute and refuse to fire that kill shot on Leia's position, which will make him defect from the First Order. I think his wavering sense of purpose is solidified by the short bit where he looks at his helmet and smashes it in the wall; this doesn't look like another temper tantrum of his so much as it does a consideration (gazing at the helmet) answered by rejection (smashing it into the wall). And then Rey will undergo that torture and Snoke's words will get through to her, and while she won't go dark, she'll be confused. Luke's no help in this clarity she desires due to his own apparent lack of faith in the Jedi way. So she meets Kylo and he's like, "I'm hella confused." And she's like, "me too, I need someone who can show me my place in all of this," and he's like *extends hand "let's find out together" and they go off and become grey Jedi in the third movie. That would be pretty dope.
EDIT: added part about the scene with Kylo and his helmet.
vhiran ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:01:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
seems legit. how does she escape snoke though, luke saves her? he has her dead to rights, like if luke tried to take on palpatine in ESB instead of vader. he'd have been smoked easily.
That's a good question. I'm not sure, I don't think anyone has enough info to accurately speculate on how she'll get out of that situation but I can take a stab - Kylo frees her on his way out: maybe that scene where he gets angry looking at his helmet is happening simultaneous to Rey's torture, and maybe his consternation at knowing what is going on in a few rooms over from him combined with his wavering sense of purpose in the First Order sends him over the edge and he frees her from Snoke's grasp and they take off. Snoke probably wouldn't sense this coming and if he did, we don't have any evidence that Snoke himself as exceptionally strong in the Force yet.
God fucking dammit I am crying like a mofo because my uncle who was a Star Wars fan died on Friday and didn't get to see this. Fuck fuck fuck fuck I hate everything
Luke is training Rey and he tells her "Nope, not doing this again, go away"
Snoke sends Kylo to kill Leia, can't do it, he forsakes him.
At this point, Snoke abducts and Force tortures Rey for a new apprentice; while Finn is brought back into the First Order, and either as a propaganda move paint him as a double agent/spy hence the officer clothing.
Kylo then attacks the ship to get back at Snoke, busts Rey out, and tells her "Luke made me what I am, and Snoke used us. Screw these old guys and their agenda, let's just team up and take them out."
No more Jedi, but no more Sith.
But this is just me huffing paint and speculating.
daveyc48 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:56:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, after rewatching it; Luke might turn over to the Dark Side and Kylo and Rey team up to "redeem him" (Or take him out.) to set up for Episode IX
I say this because Luke mentions how afraid he was of a person's power. How it flashes back to the destruction of the temple and his exile shows anger and bitterness. He's holding onto what happened. Even blaming himself for the death of the Jedi and Han.
It's shown that Luke has tapped into the Dark Side before (He force choked a pig guard, tried to blast Jabba in the face, and was about to decapitate Palpatine)
Snoke might just be a red herring of a villain since in interviews the production crew (Producer, Writers, Director) have said Snoke hasn't been seen in the previous movies. Meaning if he was the big bad with no lore or story attached, it may feel out of left field. Now, if Luke takes out Snoke ascends as a Dark Lord; with Kylo and Rey thinking "Oh shit, we're responsible for this" (Kylo for sparking that hatred and Rey for seeking him out) it sets the stakes and audience investment for the last part.
daveyc48 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:09:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think youโre on the right track with Luke, maybe not a full on fall to the far side though. Remember he was tempted in ROTJ but managed to hold himself back. I think heโll certainly embrace a neutral point of view in the force, which is maybe what sets him against Rey and Kylo?
Snoke is looking more fleshed out than the emperor in ep 5, heโs got to be the big bad
If you recall, he took a swing at Palpatine and Darth Vader stopped him.
It was only after he tapped into his emotions where he was about to kill Vader until the Emperor spoke. (IDIOT once you make the sell, shut your mouth!)
I don't know about Snoke, we'll see.
After watching the trailer a 3rd time to pick it apart; I think Kylo reaching his hand out with the fiery rubble is part of Luke's recollection or Force Vision he shows Rey. (As we see Luke's hand coming out of the destroyed temple followed by a wide shot of him in the foreground looking at ruins.)
To be honest, I personally would rather have Luke fall to the Dark Side in attempts to save Rey and/or Kylo and tie back into a redemption story like the original trilogy. Derivative, yes; but definitely an emotional experience for the audience.
I'm also big into wrestling; so I'm a sucker for seeing these Face-Heel turns and back to Babyface through actions
But that's enough speculating for me; I'll just go watch it in two months instead of getting my hopes up of Dark Luke (And Mara Jade)
Before the trailerโs release Last Jedi director Rian Johnson took the unusual step of advising those who did not want to see spoilers to avoid watching it. โI am legitimately torn,โ he wrote on Twitter in response to a fan who had asked whether or not to watch the trailer. โIf you want to come in clean, absolutely avoid it.โ
Hahaha what spoilers? It's a generic trailer where a lot of stuff happens, but everything is out of context. Kinda just to hype people up about the movie without actually revealing anything of substance, at least as far as the plot goes.
jar45 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:00:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I took Rianโs quote to be the case of โIf you tell someone not to do something, itโs gonna make them want to do it moreโ
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:26:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There was a tweet of his last night saying to go watch it lol
As if 7 being a retelling of 4 with worse characters (but some really cool ones!) wasn't foreshadowing enough. No way they aren't just making this as formulaic happy ending hero always wins story as they can. They want as broad mass market appeal as they can, and copy / paste hero journey is very popular with the populace.
What i was hoping for out of 8 is that after confronting Han, Kylo is free from the conflict in his heart and has fully embraced the dark side and we get rid of the angst, rid of the temper tantrums, and he becomes this cold, calm, collected badass sith, and his family and former friends have to deal with the fact there is no redeeming him. The trailer makes this not look to be the case though.
Tbh, that'd really turn me off. Don't get me wrong, I'd like to see Luke throw down with some epic Force mastery/lightsaber dueling, but not just to be sensational, and much less to kill himself afterward.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:12:27 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AS cool as that would look, I think it undermines Luke's arc from the OT. He's already resisted the Dark Side, and this would be treading over old ground.
But a badass scene of Luke storming a First Order stronghold solo? That would be nuts. To see Luke excel as a Jedi master (something we haven't seen yet).
Luke suddenly killing himself really doesn't make sense. I would see it more as him telling Kylo that he should have known better ("you of all people," oooh what is he referring to??) and then just leaves.
NikoNub ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:49:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm not a massive Star Wars fanboy. I enjoy the movies and have ever since I was young. But by no means get crazy about any of it.
But am I the only one who still gets chills when hearing even a snippet of Williamsโ original score?
blalkr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:43:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I never saw any of the movies until I did a marathon before The Force Awakens came out, so zero nostalgic feelings, and I actually cried in the theater when the music started and the letters came on.
It's based on JW's original themes, but the trailer music is always done by some other company. Usually it boils down to a guy in a booth with a keyboard and a lot of synth patches.
Could you imagine the butt hurt fans though. There might be a lot of backlash.
really you made the only female starwars lead pure evil??
vhiran ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:12:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Equal opportunity I says! Women can be brave heroes!! (they can also be depraved villains)
That said she's stuck with Snoke, like if Luke tried to take on Palpatine in ESB, he'd have gotten destroyed with no escape. The only way out of that situation for her is probably Luke showing up.
Rocky323 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:30:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, no it wouldn't. What would be good, is Kylo STAYING evil instead of being redeemed like some people in these comments want.
Ottott ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:09:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What follows is the disconnected musings of a mad man who's life has been influenced by Star Wars far too heavily.:
We are going to see Rey's training with Luke take a turn towards stagnation due to his fear of training her after what happened with Kylo. We will get more background on what actually happened at the Jedi Temple when the order was destroyed. Pretty confident Kylo spared her during his siege of the Jedi Temple, and he was the one who left her on Jakku. Kylo will reveal something to her on Ahch-To. I think this is going to be a familial connection. They seem to be Brother and Sister, Jaina/Jacen Solo parallel is too strong to ignore, however, I think we will see Kylo in a redemption arc and Rey "falling" to the dark side as a reversal of that arc from Legends. Kylo is the only one who is concerned in TFA about "a girl" on Jakku. He also lobbies Snoke to bring her into the fold as opposed to destroying her outright. In TFA he never truly attempts to kill her.
Rey will look for answers with Kylo and Snoke to find her place, and when Luke says "This is not going to go how you think." He is speaking to both her and Kylo as they leave him together.
Her fall will come in the form of possession by Snoke. He will transfer his essence into her powerful force using body, so effectively Snoke is still the primary antagonist. Kylo will feel used and discarded by Snoke at this point and this is the start of his path to redemption. I doubt he is the one who fires the killing shot on Leia's ship, and instead the scene we were given is cut to be misdirection. I think he will kill the pilot responsible for killing his mother, and not be the one responsible for her death.
In the 3rd movie we will see Kylo and Luke on a redemption crusade paralleling The Return of the Jedi. Luke will most likely sacrifice himself to save the two of them by the end of the trilogy paving the way towards future movies devoid of the original cast.
My guess is Poe is force sensitive as well. His pilot skills are extraordinary, and the canonical fact established in the comics that his parents were given one of the two force sensitive trees Luke and Poe's mother liberated from one of Palpatine's secret research facilities after RotJ.
Snoke may be a new character. The aftermath books lead me to believe this, but I do hold out hope that he is a Palpatine clone that ole Palps transferred his essence into prior to death moments before the Deathstar exploded. His disfigurement would be the result of the cloning process being rushed/unfinished at the point of death resulting in his need to essence transfer into a younger stronger body.
We're gonna be left hanging in the final scene with a possessed Rey with Sith eyes. Calling it now.
Edit: One word.
Ottott ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:11:22 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
MrDude65 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:16:17 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't see Disney going after the possession arc. I think the more practical result of Rey meeting Snoke is death. She's untrained, and he is the ultimate embodiment of dark side force power at the moment
Ottott ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:20:23 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How is death more Disney-esque than possession leading into being saved?
MrDude65 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:24:11 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because they've already shown they're comfortable with death. Possession is something best left to the old EU, which Disney will try and distance themselves from here.
Ottott ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:26:22 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of Original Trilogy characters. Not their new main characters they are building a world around.
MrDude65 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:31:12 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Either way, I think possession is definitely off the table. There's nowhere except the old EU where a character can siphon off the power of another.
I think in a dark chapter of the darkest trilogy, we'll see Rey die. No "I'm your father" type defeat, just an actual punch to the gut.
Ottott ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:33:14 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think you know what possession means. He isn't siphoning power. He is inhabiting her body. It will then be the quest of Kylo and Luke to free her from this entrapment. They will 100% NOT kill Rey.
MrDude65 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:36:05 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Either siphoning or possession (I do know the difference, was just also echoing some previous theories that he would 'take' her power) will not happen. I absolutely guarantee Disney to leave that to the realm of fan fiction.
Ottott ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:42:04 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Guess we'll find out on the 17th. My money is on the possession route. They haven't been distancing themselves from the EU at all honestly. Kylo is a total analogue to Jacen Solo, and quite a few elements of the EU are adapted in Rebels and other recent material.
MrDude65 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:50:09 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For sure! Very excited for the movie!
fasnoosh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:58:19 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
RemindMe! December 17, 2017 "was this theory right?"
Remember Empire Strikes Back? Right after Luke loses his hand? Vader offers his hand to Luke, and drops the most unexpected twist in movie history.
We all know Disney doesn't have the stones to take any risks with trilogy entries, just look at TFA. TLJ is going to be a copy paste remake of ESB. The writing is on the wall.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:02:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It looks amazing but Ill be upset if they showed how Leia dies. I doubt thats how it happens but I'd just be mad if they decided to show that in a trailer.
Zskillit ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:09:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That Kylo and Leia scene... wow, that was emotional to watch. Well done, even if that isn't really what will happen.... and if you think the ending was a spoiler, c'mon man. We all know Luke will be the bad guy. That was simply a dream sequence where she is trying to"find herself"or some shit.
I doubt it. He seemed kind of down and out and frustrated. But not bad. Looked like he was training her.
Zskillit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:32:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Youre right. After reading everyone's ideas I actually believe Rey and Kylo trade roles at some point..
He will become the savior in this story at some point and Rey will go to the dark side.
That overhead shot of Kylo with the troopers behind him at 11 seconds in, could Kylo be at Vader's Castle on Mustafar? Looks like hardened lava to me. Also, Luke said it the best. "This is not going to go, the way you think!" It fit so perfectly, given what the end of the trailer shows.
My money's on Luke turning out to be a "Fuck everyone, burn it all down and start again" character in the end, it would fir with how Hamill's described his dislike for Luke's path in the trilogy, and why he sort-of just fell off the universe for a while there.
It looks fucking great. So many misdirections and things of the sort.
I almost think Kylo Ren will come back to the light and Rey will turn to the dark.
I also noticed that when Rey raises out of the water in the cave and Luke is standing there, she almost looks prepared to fight, as if Luke is about to attack. It could also be a part of her training, though, so I am not sure.
My mind is in shambles.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:13:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:14:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ondoj ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:14:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think Snoke was talking to Rey the whole time. You can clearly see his yellow robe as he's trying to get inside of her head at 1:59. Could have been the dialogue from that scene made to look like it was said to Kylo
I think that super obvious end misdirection absolutely is due to the big difference in lighting. One is lit very evenly, the other has a very dark half of the face
So, the AT-ATs have hands and are walking on their knuckles like gorillas and are approaching a cliff side. We're going to see them go for a climb. Should they be Mountain Terrain - Assault Transports (MT-ATs)?
tomdec1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:26:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AT-M6, or All-Terrain Megacaliber 6, is the official name.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:25:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm calling it, Rey goes to the dark side maybe a little in this movie but is redeemed in the third. Luke looks afraid of her raw power, that scene with her cracking the ground below apart with force was sick. She might even fight Luke, that short part at the end of the trailer of her standing up looks likes she facing him off.
It could all be misdirection though like they did with the first films stuff and we could all be wrong.
bionix90 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:30:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's definitely a misdirection.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:36:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure itโs all misdirection. Why give away so much of the plot?
Oragala ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:25:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So The Last Jedi means Rey leaves Luke to join the dark side and Luke is the last Jedi remaining? That's what I'm taking from it. I think she will stay bad and Kylo will be redeemed, just like his grandfather.
ZebZ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:28:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well then one better materialize out of thin air because I don't think Rey is going to remain a Jedi. Unless Kylo capitulates to the light side by the end.
That could also be a mistranslation? I mean look at some translated movie titles. They aren't always accurate. Just based on that scene at the end I think Luke will be the lone light-sider at the end.
EzzenTv ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:38:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is true.
There has also been a lot of theories saying that Kylo will go to light side so it isn't 100% confirmed that Rey is going to darkside from that. But absolutely possible. I just think its too early too tell still.
My thinking is that Kylo is obsessed with becoming Darth Vader and living up to him. What happened to Vader at the end? He killed the emperor. Logically Kylo has to be redeemed to complete that arc.
EzzenTv ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:42:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah that is kind of my theory too but I could see it happening in multiple ways.
Also based on what Luke said about seeing this power before and not being scared back then, makes me think of how he fearlessly confronted Palpatine. Maybe Rey is either his creation through the Force or his offspring? I don't know, but I could talk about Star Wars theories all day.
EzzenTv ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:44:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yeah so could I. Love this stuff.
I actually am still trying to decide who he is talking about. Could be vader and could be kylo. Palpatine could work for it too.
No. Luke seems to be the last Jedi at the beginning of the movie, but then is revealed to be a power mad dark side user. Kylo and Rey both end up on the light side and fight Luke in episode IX.
She probably is. That's why the map rolled up to her and why she found Luke's lightsaber. Luke was responsible for all the events that transpired in TFA. Everything happened according to his design.
Aedeus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:46:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo with a facial scar just like his Grandfather, piloting a ship reminiscent of his Grandfather's in RotS.
I expect many more Anakin / Vader call backs throughout the film.
I think it's all a misdirect, including the director telling us not to watch. All of it. They're setting up massive story differences than what we expect.
PoorMrX ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:48:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fulfill your destiny... heard that before. Palpatine to Anakin. Palpatine to Luke. Vader to Luke.
Misdirection or not, one thing seems clear. Luke is fucked up.
mateogg ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:00:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Since Rey being so naturally talented with the force was a bit of an issue for me, the idea of her not being the only one, but her and Kylo Ren both being equally gifted, works for me very well. I'd rather we didn't have any 'chosen ones' at all, but this is much better than Rey being the chosen one of the trilogy.
Also I don't know wtf is going on with Finn but I kinda love it.
Episode VII might not have been the best Star Wars movie, but watching this trailer made me remember that Rey, Finn, and Poe are my favourite characters to come out of this series (with the huge note that I'm not exactly an expert on any sort of expanded universe stuff).
Musivino ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:10:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well itโs hyperbole and Iโm excited. Sorry!
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:02:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo is definitely not killing Leia (in the trailer scene at least). If you look behind her, the crew is way too calm if they were about to die/were in a battle
It could be some force sensing, something only she could feel.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:20:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure that's what it is, but i'm just saying at THAT moment, its not coming. It could also be another scene with her sensing something happen to Luke. She felt him still living when the Death Star 2 exploded, and She felt Han go. Maybe she'll feel Luke go???
I know we're all excited for Luke, but I just can't take my eyes off Oscar Isaac. If anyone in the younger cast is going to steal this movie from Hamill, it's him.
Rey wants training, but is so powerful Luke refuses to do it. Angry and confused, Rey seeks out a darker force to train her; immediately regrets decision, or possibly goes full dark side. Cue Luke and Kylo coming together to save her.
Its not even necessarily cowardly. He tried once, and not only did he fail, his failure has had catastrophic impacts across the galaxy. Just because you are afraid doesnt mean you are a coward.
Prediction time. Movie ends with Luke killing Snoke and revealing himself as the bad guy who did everything from behind the scenes. He finally gives in to his inner darkness and takes over the first order. Rey either joins him or is rescued by Kylo.
Episode 9 reveals that it was all a elaborate plan by Luke and the Force Ghosts to bring true balance to the force by getting rid of the jedi and sith system and legacy and creating a new combined aspect of it.
Na, that's too far fetched even for me. My bad guys. My bad.
canopey ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:32:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was kind of my dark horse prediction that Kylo Ren would kill Leia in this movie, which would in turn make Luke just slaughter him, and ep.9 would be everyone going after Snoke. It's really just a mental shitpost on my part, but there are really a few things in the trailer that could lead there.
It's all misdirection of course, I'm sure, but I'm sticking with it until Dec. 14th. :)
Here's what I think. Snoke is telling Kylo to fulfill his destiny and kill his mother and when he has a chance to he backs out but Snoke has her killed anyway. This upsets Kylo and he goes back to Luke. Meanwhile Luke does refuse to train Rey as he is scared of the power he sees in her. She somehow gets in a showdown with Kylo where she tells him the bit about finding someone to show her her place. Kylo tries to convince her to go with him back to Luke but Kylo gets hurt again. I don't know why Snoke shocks Rey but they become friends somehow after they talk things out. Honestly I'm just takng a piss with this but the trailer looks bad ass.
bangochu ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:51:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can someone tell me why the bad guys are always loaded with crazy amount of army and weapons (including war ships)? Whoโs investing into these guys? I thought the troopers were kidnapped children. Wouldnโt they turn on the bad guys? Btw awesome trailer. This is how big movies should be like, show the trailer 2 months before release date vs show a trailer 8+ months before lol
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:35:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean in the original trilogy the empire was the government. ep 7 establishes that the first order is born from remnants of the empire in the outer rim of the galaxy. I can only imagine they are just using the military.
bangochu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:26:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah I see. Thanks
Bolrwor ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:54:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
noticed that the set that was broken into last year is seen in the trailer
The last scene is definitely a misdirection. Here is why I think it is two different scenes:
In Rey's scene, she is talking in a soft and echoing voice and the only reason they would even have an echo in her voice would be to accentuate the fact that she is in a confined space. Cave, stone house, laser tag arena, etc...
Kylo's scene has large balls of flame coming from very high up, indicating a wide open area, with high ceilings or is outdoors. Definitely not the same scene, but this can always be a "Wine in Front of Me" kind of analysis if you wanna go down this rabbit hole far enough.
Theory: those shots with Kylo supposedly about to kill Leia are done the beginning of the movie. Not far from the destruction of Starkiller base. Kylo is raging pissed. So much so that he is gunning for his mom maybe a couple days from slaying his old man. He lines up for the shot BUT Leia using he force telepathy talks with Kylo and has him pull back. Heโs torn between good and evil. All movie itโs about him dealing with the light and dark until he turns on Snoke. Rey also turns from Luke and the two band together to take out Snoke in part three... or nine.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:09:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
From what I can see this movie is going to have great cinematography.
Feels like there are a lot of mis-directs in this trailer: Rey and Kylo don't seem to be talking to one another at the end and I wouldn't be surprised if it's Luke talking to Rey about "this isn't going to go the way you think it is".
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:39:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Regardless of what we all believe about how this movie will go... Disney is winning the trailer game, and John Williams is on point af with his music.
m0cl0v ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:42:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
rhgolf44 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:13:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All 30 seconds until she got dumped down a garbage chute. She was so hyped up for nothing in TFA in my opinion. Really hoping for a lot more screen time in TLJ
rhgolf44 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:38:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hopefully without the death. Sheโs a character I donโt know much about but I want her to survive the trilogy. Iโm just praying her character is well written and holds up to the hype
I'm cautiously optimistic about her amount of screen time. I fear she may get one, maybe two good fight scenes, but that's about it. Hopefully there will a good explanation as to why she's so special and what she's done to get that far.
I'm also interested in how Hux will fit into things. I'd like to see him be similar to Tarkin or Veers, but I doubt he will get anything more than one or two scenes during the epic planetary battles.
rhgolf44 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:16:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really hope Hux takes a bigger role in this movie. I fell in love with the evil of his character during his speech in TFA. My hype for this movie is so real now that this trailer is out.
With all the other plots going on, I don't see it happening, but I hope I'm wrong. If Hux is supposed to be somewhat equal rank as Kylo, then I really want to see him prove it. Right now looks like all Hux amounts to is a mouthpiece.
Right now I think separating the First Order from Snoke and Kylo would have been a better decision, but then again I'll wait and see how TLJ and IX play out.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:12:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like how the one place kylo would actually need a helmet, that is flying a starfighter, he chooses not to.
Mackaf ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:11:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First order actually used life support in their craft unlike the empire
HK-47b ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:36:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Meatbags in danger. Excellent.
ashlati ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:14:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the bandage is the clue. It's gone in the scene where he holds his hand out. It's got to be part of Rey's own Dagobah cave of evil journey. She's confronting Kylo Ren and her own place in the Force
He really does not look like the same character since Peter Mayhew retired; the eyes, the walk, the movement, it really lacks the characterisation that peter had. It would take the physical acting chops of a classically trained mime or dancer to get the character right, and it seems they just hired a tall guy.
Chewie should be well over 200 years old, yet in half the scenes in TFA he is bouncing around like a spring chicken! If wookies live to be 400 or 500, then Chewie should move like a middle aged man. And also, why no grey hair? we've seen grey haired wookies, is Chewie doing Ms Clairol's "nice and easy"
Herlock ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:56:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He is using loreal new conditionner, that's why his hair is so beautiful :D
LdnGiant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:04:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
hang on I thought Mayhew was doing it? He was at all the premieres for TFA, was in all official cast photography etc. Chewbacca does look a bit weird, but I still think Mayhew is in the suit.
Peter did some scenes in TFA, but now walks with two canes, and cant do a lot of physical stuff, he retired after TFA. I'm glad he gets the recognition he deserves for the character, and seeing someone else do a less great job; makes us appreciate him more, but, they should've found someone who can credibly portray the character, it's more than just filling out the suit!
Some examples of new actors taking over SW roles: Ewan McGregor was wildly successful as Sir Alec Guinness's Obiwan. He really paid homage to the man, and also made the character his own.
David Prowse did a great physical portrayal of Darth Vader, (despite him being a bit of a jerk perhaps) and never got the respect (he believed) he deserved. The DV suit was worn by Hayden in RotS, and I think it worked. It looked cluncky and hard to move in, which would be right for DV at that point in is journey. And when a new actor played the part in RO, I felt like some of the movements were reminiscent of the OT Vader, and some were strange. The more distracting part for me was that the JE Jones voice really didn't sound as youthful as it once did.
But these things are hard to do, performance-wise, I just think, the Chewbacca character has not been cared for well enough by the writers, performer(s) or directors (remember that walking right past Leia bit from TFA after Han's death!?!). And next we'll have to see what happens with the character in "Solo: a Han Solo Story".
Anyone else notice that Kylo doesnโt have his carbon fiber scar in that last scene?
Flashback? Or maybe thatโs one of the opening scenes, and he gets the carbon fiber later?
Tenrac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:34:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am thinking the carbon fiber patch is like a band-aid...so I think those scenes are early in the movie, and then later he has healed and doesn't need it anymore.
JamesBaa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:26:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I put together a quick album of the new starships (at least the ones I spotted) over here.
Speculating, it looks like the Resistance have some transports, a frigate-thing (backwards Nebulon-B) and a flat corvette, as well as the Raddus.
Seems like there's an evacuation (Crait outpost), with the Raddus in the lead, followed by some support ships and lots of transports, with the Supremacy chasing, picking off the transports.
Speculating, I'd suggest the bombers attacking the Mandator IV-class is an earlier part of the battle; perhaps destroying it to give time for the evacuation (stopping it flattening the base from orbit).
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:24:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So are people going to be using the word "Raw" to describe the force power in this movie the same way everyone kept calling Kylo's lightsaber "Unstable" in TFA?
edit: added the word "using" because I somehow left it out
That's just how Star Wars goes, honestly. History repeats itself in this galaxy, and that's always been a theme. I believe this trilogy seeks to have a plot that finally ACTUALLY brings balance to the force, and therefore the Galaxy.
I mean look at the parallels in TPM, ANH, and TFA. Innocent young person living on a desert planet gets swept into a huge conflict that is impacting the Galaxy. They learn they have the force within them and attach themselves to an older mentor, while making new friends along the way. In the end they are all involved in a big battle involving ship to ship combat where the reactor of a giant ship is destroyed, saving everyone. Also, in each movie the older mentor is killed by the villain's lightsaber.
ESB and AotC. The enemies have renewed strength. The hero loses a limb to the villain. There is a massive battle involving Walkers, ships, and infantry. A female main character and a male main character realize they love each other and share a kiss for the first time. Space Nazis win the day. Expect similar parallels on TLJ.
I do not like how Rey is apparently strong enough to scare Luke. I get that its no longer canon but are you telling me that Luke is weaker than Yoda in the force in Canon now? Weaker than Palpatine? How is Rey strong enough to frighten him?
I think he's just traumatized from when Kylo betrayed him and killed all of his apprentices. That definitely fucked his head up a bit.
I definitely don't want him to be a pushover though, if anyone overpowers him in this film I'll be seriously pissed.
Ottott ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:43:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My guess is he will be overpowered, but not by a single force user. He will be about to end Kylo and Rey will turn on Luke and stop him due to some revelation of Kylo's to Rey that causes her to change her perception of him. (They are brother and sister. I flesh this idea out in another comment.)
I just have a feeling Luke was surprised at how strong the force is within Rey who just learned everything on her own in TFA. She actually fought off Kylo's mind probe and went into his mind. Without training!
It is the eyes. I know this sounds absurd, but I can just tell when Peter Mayhew is in the suit or when the other tall guy is in the suit. Peter is not playing Chewbacca at all in this film, so it is blatantly obvious that it is not him in the eyes. Chewie has a certain way of moving, bobbing his head, and growling. The new Chewie just seems like they hired a big guy to walk in a suit. Sad but true.
RomuRaf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:35:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree Mayhew is a big thing as well, but it's not just the eyes though, it's the whole face being cg I think. Pause the pic a few times :D looks super weird haha.
No, it's not CGI. Chewie looked basically like that in TFA except that this time it seems to be a more expressive mask. Or it's just the fact that it isn't Peter Mayhew in the costume.
Holy crap, thank you so much. Honestly, it is the new actor. We apparently know Chewbacca so much that we can tell whenever there is a different actor in the suit. That just further solidifies how good of an actor Peter Mayhew was whenever he played Chewbacca. Wow.
Yeah, Joonas seems good (imo), it's just a bit different from Mayhew. But Peter Mayhew will always be the master of playing Chewbacca of course and that's what we're used to
Seriously? How Undercover can he be?! He helped a high level captive escape, defected to the other side, fought multiple high ranking First Order personnel... yet he can just walk in there โunder coverโ? I hope thereโs more to it than that...
Edit: typo
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:06:15 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because there are thousands upon thousands of troops and ships and he was wearing a helmet most of the time?
Finn is also instantly recognized during the battle on Takodana.
It also appears that he is battling Capt P in the trailer, which was his old platoon leader... so even if there was multiple ships to be on, he would be on one where heโd be easily identified.
Granted this is all speculation. I just found wearing that uniform very interesting.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:19:30 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's recognized because that was a former squadmate he grew up with.
Oh boy, they've shown everything. Finn fights the first order, Luke hesitantly trains rey, but when he sees her power he refuses, and she leaves, finding kylo ren, knowing he would be more willing to teach her. During the final battle, Kylo is going to hesitate to kill his mother. Contrasting this, Rey meets Snoke, who tells her the things we've heard, then uses the force to do something to her. Her allegiance is left in question at the end.
I'm all for being cynical at the large corporation trying to merchandise everything, but I think they're allowed a certain quota of new creatures to characterize the new worlds we see.
TBF that was the only part I saw that seemed like a retread. Rey has a conversation with Kylo, and seemingly a civil one. So, no โI AM YOUR FATHER.โ โTHATโS IMPOSSIBLE.โ Thatโs also good because it could show conflict for Rey, something TFA did lack honestly. We see Kylo fighting in a space battle, as well, debating whether to kill someone important to him. Thatโs not a retread of a Vader thing, which is good. Along with that, we see Luke doesnโt want to train Rey, which is totally not like Yoda, who trained Luke pretty willingly.
Obviously this is all just speculation on my part, but overall it does look different at least from what weโve (aside from the walkers, maybe). Love to hear everyone elseโs thoughts.
You could say the M1Abrams tank is a rehash of all the other tanks before it. They aren't rehashing. They're showing the walkers as they advance and develop. They're still necessary for planetary assault.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:24:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fair point canonically.
Snf4le ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:28:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't know why you are downvoted. It would be bullshit it they just throw away a design they used for many years.
You improve a working system and not throw it away and develop something totally new.
Teases. There is one particular moment with Kylo that isnโt really surprising, I just didnโt want to see it in a trailer and think it would provably be better in theaters
Just watch it. The editing is always done in a way to misguide everyone, even though people think they are so smart that they have worked points out. Always happens and always will.
Can someone explain to me why Luke needs to die? It's so fucking stupid. I think it would be much more satisfying storywise if he survived the entire three films. As in, didn't die even in the final film. Jesus people stop killing the good characters for shock
Truufs ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 09:55:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah it'd be boring and too predictable for Luke to copy Kenobi from old trilogy. Why not let him survive. There's already too few good guys since they are dying left and right.
I think it would be stupid if he died in the next film (episode 9) and returned as a force ghost at the end. I would be pissed. It would be so much better if he just didn't die. It makes no sense for him to die. It's stupid
So in part 7 'The Force Awakens" they attack a Death Star that has been integrated into a planet. Now in part 8, they are doing a walker assault on an ice planet just like Hoth? That's pretty weak IMO. Is the 8th movie going to feature an attack on an even bigger planet destroying planet?
Are they trying to copy the original series? Could they seriously not create a new battle in a new environment?
I really don't see the problem with sequels that also serve as soft reboots. I understand that a lot of people had some problems with TFA but the criticism that it copies from ANH is hardly criticism. I agree that the concept of Death Star 3.0 was lame but the execution and everything surrounding it was spectacular imo.
I'm just saying when people complain about rehashing the same story I want to hear more than just "it's similar!"
Let's be honest. Disney is a company built and exploiting your emotions for financial gain. Best way to do that with star wars is bring back everything we loved and make it better in one way or another. Doesn't make the film bad but I will agree that it's a cheap tactic.
I just wish they would take this new universe and make it their own. We've seen the Death Star and Hoth. Show us something new! The first time I saw the battle of Hoth I lost my mind at how cool it was. I'd never seen anything like it.
I'm sure TLJ will be an amazing movie, I'll be there for the first showing. I just wish they used the Star Wars universe to its full potential instead of re-hashing things and battles we've already seen.
I however, can't agree with your statement of "I'm just saying when people complain about rehashing the same story I want to hear more than just "it's similar!" what else do you want? They are literally reusing events and settings from previous movies when they have a literal universe to draw from. Are you telling me they couldn't come up with a better idea than a walker assault on a rebel base for their 2nd movie? When the 2nd of the OT already did that? The first movie had an assault on a super weapon, just like ANH, the 2nd is featuring a walker assault, just the ESB did. How can I expect anything from their 3rd than another attack on a super weapon? Be original! Take a chance! We Star Wars fans looooooooooove Star Wars. Trust us. Show us something new.
Well I get the criticism but I think people just take it too far. Just because it's a similar event does not mean the sequence wasn't cool. But I do see your point about how the first time seeing these things were mind blowing and they totally have an opportunity to go balls to the wall and show us new shit.
And I agree again, I'm sure the scene will be freakin awesome!
I just wish they showed us something new, instead of using a tried and true formula. With all the technology they have today, it just seems a waste to re-hash a battle we've already seen.
But still, "TFA" had some criticism about being a re-hash of episode 6. Starts on desert planet, Millennium Falcon takes us off it and ends up fighting a machine that destroys planets. Both being destroyed after a trench run. In ANH it was a space station, in TFA it was in a planet. Same story different characters.
Now, in the sequel. We are seeing a walker assault on a rebel base. Switch ice planet for sand/dirt planet and it's the same as ESB.
I love Star Wars, I will be there on opening night to see it. Don't think I'm some SW hater. But, really? They couldn't think of something else? The SW universe allows so many different stories, why re-tread something we've already seen? All I can see are member-berries in this trailer.
Why not try and be original and create new battles and situations? It just feels like a lazy nostalgia grab.
Justinwc ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:40:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know what you expect walkers to do.
It's like complaining about seeing an X-Wing or a Tie Fighter.
I didn't say it was a Xerox copy, but you can't deny the similarities.
Tell me, am I talking about TFA or ANH - We go from a desert planet with someone who has no knowledge of force. That person joins a former smuggler and his friend to get back to the rebels. That person learns they are powerful in force. With the intel provided by our rag-tag group of hero's the rebel alliance discovers there is a weapon capable of destroying planets. The Alliance attacks, via a trench destroying the weapon!
Just because there are a few scenes thrown in, doesn't change the fact that the story is the same. If plot points A B C & D are the same, it doesn't matter if you throw in a few extra scenes.
What you are describing could a deleted scene from ANH! It wasn't important to the plot at all. The First Order could've sent an undercover team and kidnapped Rey and the plot would've been the same. That battle was just eye candy. An amazing beautiful scene, but not plot important at all.
That honestly might be what happens now since they had change things.
banica24 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:12:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think Kylo kills her. She was suppose to be in episode 9, a lead role even. So she was planned to survive. Probably another misleading fake hype
Damn, I think Rey going dark may be true. She found out she is a kickass Jedi and wants to become powerful quickly and if Luke doesn't help her she will find someone who does. She seems like the opposite of Luke where he left because his friends needed help he thought, she wants to leave for power.
klupsio ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:06:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The shot with the porg made me laugh out loud
Xlink64 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:18:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They literally made KotOR into a movie.
Revan redemption arc? Kylo Ren redemption arc.
Malak torturing Bastilla into corruption? Snoke torturing Rey into corruption.
Carth Onasi rightfully pissed off at Bastilla? Fin probably gonna be unhappy with Rey
Oh be quiet I know there are such things as misdirection but donโt you think having TFA trailer being a misdirect and this not, make an even more of a misdirect.
Rip. Okay listen up this is what will happen: Luke figures out that Rey is as strong as Snoke. He refuses to go with her to destroy Snoke. She goes alone, gets captured and tortured by Snoke. Luke finds out, follows her and before he can reach her Kylo takes him by surprise and hurts him bad. He goes to Rey and rescues her from Snoke. They both destroy Snoke. They form a pact to bring order to the galaxy. Like a mad evil king and his queen. Movie ends with both Snoke and Luke still alive, albeit very very hurt. (Luke lost an arm)
No itโs a great concept. No one is truly only evil or good. Jedi were too scared of the dark so they lost when they ignored everything bad. Which is exactly why Anakin turned to the dark side. The Sith lost because of too much darkness and overconfidence. The force does not have a dark and light side itโs just projected according to the actions and feeling of the individual. Complete mastery of both sides is the only way you can achieve true balance within. Hence Light + Dark = Grey โA Balanceโ
Well they could fight anyone who is truly light or dark but I always remember this quote from George Lucasโs first concept of Star Wars through the Journal of the Whills.
First comes the day
Then comes the night.
After the darkness
Shines through the light.
The difference, they say,
Is only made right
By the resolving of gray
Through refined Jedi sight.
i thought exactly the same thing! Sounded to throaty and heavy.
TamLux ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:57:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's what is off about it, now that I can put my finger on it, yes! it is really off, and not just from age!
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 08:55:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't sound or act like Luke at all. And who decided to cut one of his quotes into two chunks. This trailer is garbage honestly
TamLux ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:44:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a trailer, and in the past years they have horribly mis-represented films!
Joseplh ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:14:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I will be watching the movie and I do expect it to be good. I do hope they work on Rey's character a bit, because in the last movie she went from zero to 60 with no explination.
Has anybody floated the idea (I'm sure they have because this is the internet) that Snoke is a manifestation of Luke's dark side? They both use similar language in the trailer referring to "raw" power. Could it be that Luke is both the light and the dark and him trying to suppress his dark side has created this creature. I kind of enjoy that being why they want Luke gone so much, Snoke himself can't become truly independent until his host is destroyed.... idk, just a thought.
Bacch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:23:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some random thoughts, mostly criticisms, since they're easier to start with:
Didn't the prequels establish that little cheezy CGI animals are bad? That stupid looking owl thing on the Falcon....
"This is not going to go the way that you think." That's the best quote they could come up with from Luke? It didn't even sound right, being cut in half the way they did it.
I liked the Kylo - Leia tension there, between the ships. That seemed well done.
Not surprised Luke is reluctant to train more people.
"once seen... once before" with the allusion to Kylo. Jeez I hope there's not some secret sibling thing. That would be lame. There's gotta be force users left who are not in the same family.
All the weapons in the universe and Finn goes with the electic nightstick? It was dumb in Force Awakens, and it's dumb now.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:34:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wtf? with "seen before" he means of course Rey. he trains her reluctantly until he sees she has the same power as Annie had. then he refuses to continue because he sees her going dark. so she leaves on her own to rescue a Finn. somehow Kylebro convinces her she should come with him to see Snoke and she accepts because she's so fucking confused about all this. I guess in #9 Kylebro will turn to the light and unite with Luke to kill Snoke and redeem Trey, or Trey will kill Snoke as a last ditch after Snoke kills Luk and Kylebro.
I'd add that new AT-ATs looked kinda comical to me instead of menacing. Not sure why... they look like they just took AT-ATs from OT and decided to make them more... badass? But like... in a bad way.
But I disagree about your last point, I mean... Star Wars isn't exactly into weapons that are practical anyways. Lightsaber isn't much better as long as it's not a force user using it. And even then... I don't think he will use it all movie long, just probably in that scene.
All the First Order designs look stupidly comical to me, like they have to 'tell' us that they're evil by making them look cliched evil. They actually showed it in the original trilogy and rogue one with grey mechanical ships which could have belonged to anybody, yet soon became apparent as belonging to a dictatorship and fascist state.
Even the rendering doesn't look very good, like there's no solidness to them, and it's obviously CGI. I'd hoped after Rogue One's improvement that Disney had worked out the kinks and set a new minimum level of quality for that, after JJ's boring Star Trek style of rendering made most ship scenes really boring and unbelievable in TFA, like game cinematics.
hulibuli ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 10:06:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The power creep in force abilities overall is something I dislike, not only with Rey but partially in prequels and Old Republic too, not even mentioning the Force Unleashed.
I personally like the mighty Force when it's left to the ancient legends, one upping older characters is kinda boring compared to the new characters finding their own new paths.
I think I just need to accept that I'm not a big fan of this new series. It's doing well to look like a Star Wars film for the most part, but the characters and story arc just bore me. The plot doesn't really have an engine motivating it like we saw in the OT and the buildup of the story between Luke and Vader.
The characters are just randomly cobbled together tropes to my eyes - the doubting trooper of the evil empire, the mysteriously powerful orphan, the moody hermit master, the pointlessly angry main villain who might have some good left in him, the pointlessly spiteful ultra villain whose motives are aimlessly evil. It seems Disney's hand is more evident in these films than I expected it would be. They just feel overly calculated to tick off things that Disney corporate thinks audiences want to see instead of allowing it to be a risky, daring, and unique trilogy in its own regards. It feels overly Hollywoodish and safe to me.
I'll hope the movie is more interesting than the trailer lets on, but I was more disappointed with TFA than I hoped to be, literally couldn't even get through a second viewing. Oh well, I still love the original films and thought Rogue One was pretty excellent overall.
Although i really like the new films, i gotta say more fans who dislike the new movies should take a lesson on how to express there opinions from you. Good on you for being polite and structuring it well. Most of the people ive seen who dislike the films just act like children.
The plot doesn't really have an engine motivating it like we saw in the OT and the buildup of the story between Luke and Vader.
I dont even understand the plot. The First Order makes zero sense. These new movies feel like they just retconned Return of the Jedi out of existence. Who the hell is Snoke, and how did these guys build a mega death star that blows up entire star systems? Where is the Alliance fleet? Shouldn't they be the major governing power in the galaxy by this point?
It feels like you say, like these films were laid out in corporate meetings with marketing analysts to bring in maximum profit.
Rogue One was awesome. Best Star Wars film since the original trilogy by a mile.
I also was disappointed in the lack of risks taken, creativity, etc. in TFA. Visually, I thought it looked great and I still hold hope that a few of these new characters can be fleshed out in a creative way. Phasma definitely needs some solid character building, but I'm also concerned about how Hux fits in right now.
I agree that Rogue One, while not perfect, was an excellent film. For being somewhat restricted in terms of story, I believe they did a very good job. They took some risks, and I think most of them paid off. I also think reading Catalyst enhances the experience.
Feels weird that for the moment, I'm actually expecting to be more interested in Battlefront II's campaign and the new season of Rebels than The Last Jedi.
Destring ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:46:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope we get to see Rey's faults. She was too perfect and Mary Sueish in TFA
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:48:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I donโt want them to resemble any of the old films and be whole new stories. To much was the same in TFA that compared to ANH. Fresh ideas would be awesome.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:41:53 on October 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You should try watching some of Rian Johnson's films. I don't think you need to worry about this not having a great story.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:02:42 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But then they did that with the prequels and everyone complained "what is this?! Way too different to the originals!"
This is going to come off as cynical, but writers really shouldn't trust the public to tell them what they liked or didn't like about a movie. People tend to claim to want something but really want something completely different, or they ride a bandwagon to the point where they convince themselves that they want something even though they really don't. You can see this with the prequels: there's really nothing wrong with politics in Star Wars, but the concept was executed poorly in Episode I so everyone convinced themselves that they hated the idea of politics in movies in general and forgot that there's an entire genre of thrillers devoted to politics that has been very successful in the past.
I'm not saying that the lack of context was completely because of the movie industry reacting to the reception of the prequels, but it was a big part of it and that reaction shouldn't have happened in the first place.
Yeah, TFA felt kind of like a whirlwind in introducing the new events. It definitely could have benefitted from a 1 minute clarification about where the heck the First Order and the Resistance came from.
First Order was what's left of the Empire after ROTJ. Just because the emperor died doesn't mean the entire army disbands. They control 69 million planets, they can handle losing a political leader.
The Resistance is just the rebellion continued through the support of the New Republic, which only occupied at the time a handful of planets iirc
Then it was a poor cut. To a layperson, the ending of ROTJ makes it seem like the empire is completely gone. You need the slightest bit of explanation of the politics to make TFA less confusing.
You're good! They're films like anything else, so they're fallible. I have my issues with star wars but I do love it regardless of its faults.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:43:42 on October 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People often don't know what they want
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:41:19 on October 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, they complained because the prequel story was boring and the acting and writing was complete shit.
legable ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:20:46 on November 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The problem was not that they were different. The problem was that they were shit. People articulate that by complaining they were different (shit) from the originals (good).
Not a fan of the timid Luke Skywalker. I waited way too long to see Luke again in a Star Wars movie to have him regress as a force weilder. I want to see him as some grandmaster wizard of the Force, not some old guy saying "You youngins have Sp0oKy potential!"
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:02:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He just trained Ben Solo, who then destroyed everything he spent years building. Of course he's timid. I'm sure that'll change by the end of the movie, or else why have a movie?
Wantazmo ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:05:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rey isn't going dark. Classic misdirection. Its funny how some of y'all fell for it
pinktini ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:27:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's interesting how people interpret things differently. I don't see it as Rey going dark.
If anything, Rey is playing Kylo to get training cause it looks like Luke is refusing to help her. She's gonna have a hold on her good, I know it.
And in the process, Kylo is going to thaw and at minimum go grey after his time with Rey (if he agrees to help her).
Knox200 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 02:58:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Every diehard fanboy in this comment section will deny it but this movie will be soft remake just like The force awakens was. Disney knows that it can just remake Empire and make a billion dollars, so they will.
It could be a soft remake of Empire, but you're completely talking out of your ass. There's no definitive proof either way. Disney is going to make a billion dollars no matter what, you're just taking an unnecessarily cynical outlook.
Tsorovar ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:28:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're right they're going to make a billion dollars no matter what, which is why they're going for the "safe" option instead of doing anything new.
Knox200 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:54:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just look at the trailer though, all the shit from empire is there, the old jedi that trains the orphan from a desert planet, it being the dark middle chapter, no death star type thing, at at's on ice planet, and tons of other shit throughout the trailer. This movies going to just be the empire strikes back 2: electric disneyreboot
We'll just have to see, I suppose. Some of the stuff you mentioned is more just the hero's journey than Star Wars/Empire stuff. Old and wise mentor training unlikely hero, 2nd act of the journey is the darkest, etc. I hope you're wrong, but I'm wouldn't be shocked if you're right.
Disney doesn't make the movies, though. Lucasfilm does. Disney distributes them, like Fox did.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:15:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Calling it now,
Reychell meets up with uncle luke who's all sad and shit and fighting his ptsd.
Uncle Luksor teaches reychell magic cause he's bored and his only company for like 10 years has been furry gerbiles so why not teach some young 20yo magic yoga right?
TRAINING MONTAGE ~8cue eye of tiger, rah rah8~
Luksor starts second guessing himself, like yo a swamp hobo taught me then i taught my nephew and some kids and my nephew murdered everyone maybe this is bad idea...
Luksor gets fearful of fucking shit up, his fear acts like a force magic homing beacon for his crazy nephew
kyle kidnaps reychell and takes her to professor snokes afterschool program for wayward youth.
after seeing how fond prof s. gets of his new pupil on day 1, kyle gets all emosauce and leaves the after school cause he's no longer the special kid who gets to meet up with teach after class
Kyle meets back up with lukesor and they chat bout how they both fuck ups / go team skyfucker /
on some evil planet / Prof s. and reychell have been doing more yoga and reychell's gone full blown crazy S. has built on the whole your an orphan noone loves you bit and now she's totes evil
poe and fin are making out on a spaceship while chewie places soccer with bb8
reychell and kyle both head to a netural meeting place for final conformation
Yeah I agree. In general I wish they'd take more chances-- both aesthetically and with the story (meaning chances beyond copying the original trilogy), but obviously it'll be a thrilling movie.
But yeah the trailer was cool but not hype-worthy for me.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:42:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Neither of these TLJ trailers have done much for me... I have a strange feeling about this movie. This trailer had a few shots that looked like they could be straight out of LOTR. I mean, I love LOTR, but...kind of strange.
We'll be downvoted, but fuck it. I agree with you. I am VERY cautious about this trailer. I was taken in by TFA trailers hook line and sinker, and was massively disappointed by the unoriginality of it. its my least favourite of the series.
"In the 2nd film rebels in mountain-side base with big open hangar send air speeders out to fight AT-AT's on white open plain while their ships evacuate" ~ Empire Strikes Back & Last Jedi
You're right but ya don't hafta be a dick about it.
g_borris ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 05:21:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean we are in the thread for the trailer and its not exactly subtle. The "I missed Hoth in this trailer. Care to show me?" comment needed a kick in the dick.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:13:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hoth is absent from this trailer in exactly the same way Tatooine was absent from TFA.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:38:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except for the exact replica by a different name which served as the backdrop for another Force-sensitive teenager with a mysterious past to gaze longingly into the sky dreaming of getting away? Sure. Totes.
The planet is Crait. The soil is red. Itโs covered in salt. This was present in the Leia novel and you can literally look it up and find it online. Itโs not snow. Stop acting like you know everything when youโre 100% wrong.
Nice try, Rogue One was just full of forgettable characters, bad writing, and unnecessary fan service. Forty seconds of Vader killing people doesn't make that movie good
Says the guy who has gone around saying that Crait is a snow planet and telling people theyโre wrong for telling you, correctly, that itโs a red planet with salt.
Itโs salt plains on the red soil planet of Crait.
IV-IVm-I ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:37:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it's not snow dawg. seriously, not snow. Itโs something more like salt plains with a rich red dry soil, that's why those red dust clouds are behind the resistance speeders.
Youโve seen the movie? Wow. Howโd you manage that?
Or are you one of those speculating trolls trying to stir up drama about things where you donโt even know what youโre talking about (for example, telling someone itโs snow when itโs a salt layer covering a red planet).
But youโre right, youโre not a troll. Youโre just complaining about a movie that still has 66 days from releasing.
Then donโt watch it. WTF? Youโre being a little baby. Quit whining. Honest to God. People like you are a plague to society. No shock and surprise you spend time in T_D.
Maybe. Daisy Ridley has already said that the new movie will be "Unexpected, but right." Plus the trailer we just saw said "It's not going to go the way you think!"
The forearms with serrated edges are presumably defense against tow cables. There's some indications that the walkers might climb vertical cliff faces, like the AT-TEs did in the CW movie.
That's a hell of a lot of spoilers. Wish I hadn't watched the trailer tbh.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:03:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke fearing Reyโs strength... saying heโs only seen this power once before. If he means Kylo Ren, itโs a little awkward making him and Rey out as more powerful than Vader, Luke, Yoda, Palpatine etc. Letโs see how it plays out - trailers always have tons of misdirection.
hMJem ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:09:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure the beginning is mis-direction. He will be fearing Kylo's strength, not Rey's.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think Luke, at his age, would be worried if anyone could match him.
My understanding is that he is the most powerful Jedi ever. Vader never lived up to his potential due to injuries. Yoda was far from his prime when Luke met him. As was Palpatine most likely.
Why would it be awkward? One is the descendant of the literal Chosen One, trained by the Chosen One's son (who saved the galaxy), it would make sense he's very powerful. The other is up for speculation at this point but it's obvious the force bestows great power onto those who will use it for good when the Galaxy needs it.
Luke specifically said RAW Strength, Having more raw strength alone doesn't make you more powerful. Technique, Strategy and overall training can make someone more fearsome than a person who just has raw strength alone. He's probably afraid that she COULD become more powerful than those you mentioned and fears that power being used by the dark side.
FunkyBry ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:06:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's still hard to believe that our Galactic Princess is gone. This makes me very hopeful that she got a proper send off in true Star Wars fashion. Never in my life has a trailer made me misty-eyed, but Leia was (like many nerds) my first crush, and I hope the conclusion to her epic part in Star Wars cemented her in film history.
Luke lost a hand in the second film of the original trilogy. Anakin lost a hand in the second film of the prequels. This is the second film of the new trilogy. My guess is Rey, although I could see kylo Ren loosing a hand.
But also, I was trying to make a joke.
reiko96 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 09:34:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This trailer seems to confirm that Rey's force powers far outclass Luke's own. My girls literally spilt the earth by simply mediating and Luke basically shits himself
So after watching this trailer and various trailer reactions and breakdowns about a gazillion times, I'm fully convinced this is going to be the single best looking movie ever made. It's beyond gorgeous.
To all the people whining about rey being a Mary Sue, if the character was a badass male with a beard would you be saying the same? I mean it's obvious that she's a kenobi or something
That was underwhelming, to say the least. The Force Awakens trailer gave me a slight hard on, this one did nothing to me. Maybe Iโm just not in the mood for it today, I donโt know...
550_Cord ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:58:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
kutwijf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:57:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They played it safe so that a big profit is all but guaranteed. Did you really expect Disney to do otherwise? Be honest with yourself. They were more worried about making a bad film than not making a great film. Still, they're entertaining and the SW universe is more interesting than most others.
I would like something other than a remake of the entire 1st trilogy because after TFA and this trailer (which gives away the entire movie btw) that is exactly what it is shaping up to be.
kutwijf ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:25:17 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, me too, but it looks like we might be stuck with remakes. I really hope this isn't the case but TLJ looks and sounds an awfull lot like ESB. If it's the case, I blame Disney over Kathleen Kennedy.
What irrefutable proof is there that Disney exerts any creative control over Lucasfilm? The six production divisions of Walt Disney Studios (WD Pictures, Disneynature, Lucasfilm, Marvel, WD Animation Studios, Pixar) are creatively independent from their parent company. The only credit WDS takes is a "distributed by" at the end.
kutwijf ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:29:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure there's more out there that backs up my claim.
Creative control? Not control but influence most definitely. Lucasfilm is owned by Disney. Kathleen Kennedy (who is head of Lucusfilm) wants to make money for Disney and keep Bob Iger happy.
This is actually news to me, even though it's a year old. Thanks for bringing this up.
But at the same time, all that really says is that there's precedent for one person (Bob Iger) to have some influence with one other person (Kathleen Kennedy). Granted, it's the absolute top dog consulting with the other absolute top dog, but it's not outright stating that final creative say rests with anyone besides Lucasfilm's team.
(In other words, yes, I am modifying my position in the face of new evidence. I've gone from "no creative control whatseover" to "potential for some creative input," which is a huge shift for me.)
hilljgo ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:29:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Disney doesn't have the balls to make their main character into a fallen Jedi. I have never said anything with more confidence than this; this is absolutely misdirection.
That's what worries me. I hope Disney will actually do something bold and fresh with these characters, rather than having it just be a fun space adventure.
Every shot we see in the trailer of Kylo Ren "with the mask on" ... is actually Rey. (Snoke will seduce her to become some "new name", in the Ren mask.) She asks Snoke to show her what her place is in all of this. He says, "When I found you, I saw raw "UNTAIMED" power, and beyond that, something truly special." He uses the dark to lure Rey into fulfilling her destiny and kill both Luke & Princess Leia. Even the shots of the gloves in the Tie Fighter are actually Rey. She'll start with Leia, Luke will survive (the massive explosion he crawls from underneath) until the next film.
Every shot we see of Ben his mask is removed, even from the start. He even smashes his "former" mask. Says, "Let the past die. Kill it. It's the only way to become who you were meant to be." He knows the past was horrific, but only Luke can help him come back to the light. The Tie-Fighters are actually firing AT Ben's ship, look close. He's actually trying to SAVE Leia from Rey (in the mask). He watches as Rey blasts Leia into oblivion. Luke has known of Ben's power, (he had seen it once before) but is even MORE worried about Rey's unfiltered and uncontrollable "raw" power. This is why he is actually scared of Rey's future. Finally Ben seeks out Luke's help to become the true last Jedi. His extended hand at the end is reaching to Luke from the rubble of Rey's destruction.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:39:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I thought I'd read some stupid theories today, but you win.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What does that have to do with anything? Oh right, you're one of those weird asshats obsessed with internet points and you think they somehow give your opinion more credence.
Yeah it is. If itโs something youโd rather not find out before seeing the film then itโs a spoiler. Do you really think that if the sixth sense trailer showed the big reveal, that wouldnโt have been a spoiler? It seems like you just have a different meaning of the word from everyone else.
CraigP17 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:45:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ok, well if the sixth sense revealed that he was a ghost the whole movie...that would be a spoiler...the star wars trailers reveal what the movie is going to be about. they didnt show you if Kylo actually kills Leia. They didnt show who Snoke was talking about. Or who Luke was talking about. Or if Rey and Kylo were even in the same scene when he puts his hand out...
Hey look man, I donโt wanna be a dick. I saw your original post that said โthereโs no such thing as a spoiler in an official trailerโ and it set off some kind of anal retentive nerve and so I had to post an asshole snarky comment. And then blah blah etc and I guess my idea was that when you admitted putting the ghost thing in the sixth sense trailer would have been a spoiler, Iโd jump up and go โAha! You are defeated, damned fiend, for I have caught you in a contradiction!โ or something. But letโs face it, thatโs a dick move. I donโt wanna pull a dick move on a fellow Star Wars fan, man! Letโs both just agree how awesome it is weโre getting a new film with Luke Skywalker in it.
Phifty2 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 13:56:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have to take issue with this trailer.
If it was full of misdirection, which I suspect it is, that's not what a trailer is supposed to be. A trailer, especially for a movie like this, should give you a broad sense of the plot and show you characters and locations. It should not mix and match scenes and lines to ensure the audience has no idea what to expect. And it's done so to fuel the internet speculation that we see in this very thread.
Imagine if in a trailer for RotJ instead of the Emperor saying "And now young Skywalker, you will die." He said "And now (they edit out "young") Skywalker, you will die." and then they show a reaction shot of Vader.
The first makes you think: Is Luke going to die?
The second makes you think: Wait, so the Emperor might kill Vader?
One of these presents a line from the film without revealing the outcome. The other is just nonsensical bullshit.
Is that what we want? Just mash together scenes and lines in dramatic ways that end up contradicting what happens in the actual film?
I'm against trailers spoiling major parts of the film (BvS), but I'm also against just taking footage and splicing it together to present scenarios that don't even remotely happen in the movie itself.
That said, I liked the trailer, but if I can't believe anything I see or hear what's the point?
Because with every Star Wars film that has released since Phantom Menace, the internet has done a very effective job of figuring out the entire plot of the films before they release. That's not even counting legit leaks that come out.
I remember a friend of mine knew the entire plot outline of Revenge of the Sith like 2 months before it came out. I thought he was explaining his speculation to me until I went and saw it with my dad.
Anyway, my point is that places all over the internet already had a pretty good idea as to what the general story would be for this movie. In particular, r/StarWarsLeaks. This trailer has thrown a wrench into that. People are now more confused than ever as to what this movie will be about and what the plot will be.
All we know for sure now is that :
1)Kylo and Rey are naturally extremely powerful. This worries Luke.
2) Snoke is confirmed to be a powerful force user as well.
3) Kylo seems to be forging his own path, possibly leaving behind his obsession with Vader.
4) Crait is going to be an important battle in the movie. Other than that planet and Luke's, we don't know where most of this movie will take place. They didn't even show Canto Bight in this trailer.
I personally think that most of us knowing nothing is a good thing. I want the advertising to be a misdirection because it leaves room for surprises, which is rare these days especially for big movies like Star Wars. The advertising for TFA had us believing that Finn would be our new Jedi. And the feeling of seeing Rey summon Anakin's lightsaber, and then igniting the blade, for the first time was one of my favorite Star Wars moments of all time.
This. I remember with TFA I thought Finn was going to be a trooper turned Jedi which was cool enough and had no clue who Rey was or what she'd contribute and to me the way it worked out was enjoyable bc it wasn't what I expected
Phifty2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:40:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In particular, r/StarWarsLeaks. This trailer has thrown a wrench into that.
I know, but for people like me who don't analyze every bit of information and doesn't eagerly and willfully digest spoiler material as soon as it can be found the trailer is the only thing I have to go on.
And what if the trailer did confirm their speculation? Who gives a shit? Are we now making trailers not for the average movie goer but to instead mislead the obsessive fan?
It's not as big of a deal as I may have made it seem. I'll find out in two months what happens. It's just, this trend of presenting a film that doesn't exist just doesn't sit well with me.
I get what you're saying, I just don't necessarily agree.
This trailer is an example of one done right, that will be enjoyable to everyone, be they a casual movie goer or a hardcore SW fan.
The trailer only contains misdirection for the "hardcore" audience. The vast and info-hungry fan base. People like most of us here on this sub. We are all hype with speculation. Trying to break it all down and figure it out. While a casual movie goer will likely watch the trailer and be like "oh shit! Lots of stuff happening! Looks good!" Then they forget about the movie until release.
Aside from all of that, if you give the more "hardcore" audience a bunch to work from, and they figure out the whole plot, then it's only a matter of time before it starts getting discussed on places like Facebook where the plot is spoiled for those average people who weren't looking to know the whole movie before seeing it.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:44:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I read Attack of the Clones days before I saw it. The book came out before the movie and it read great. The movie ended up being the worst of them all sadly.
Eh I personally still like AotC more than Phantom Menace. They're both at the bottom of my Star Wars list, but they both also had some of the greatest Star Wars moments of all time within them.
TPM: Podrace and Darth Maul fight. Plus the introduction of the double-bladed saber which has become a staple of the universe in terms of weaponry.
AotC: Yoda/Dooku fight, Jango Fett and his sick BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA bombs. Plus the clone army was pretty damn cool. And Anakin dual wielding sabers, again, introduced us to a new way of lightsaber combat that has since become popular in the lore.
Expect the opposite. The Kylo reaching out thing kinda supports my own "fan theory" of him trying to recruit Rey with knowledge that Luke lied to her about her parentage.
Zachkah ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:08:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i know the Kylo/Leia and Kylo/Rey stuff is probably misdirection, but damm was I surprised they showed that much. If that's how Leia is written out, shocked they teased it so blatantly. if the Rey story goes the way they tease at the end, I have never been more excited for a movie ever. the heel turn move would be so fuckin dope
Rey and Snoke interaction! I wonder if that means Rey gets captured again (hope not) or Rey gets to take on some of Snoke's guards, because that would be badass!
Okay guys, WITHOUT spoilers, how bad are these so called spoilers that Mark Hammil and the director were warning us about in the trailer??? I haven't watched or read anything yet.
Soxwin91 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:11:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He seemed to be wearing something similar to when he was infront of Rey a few seconds earlier, but I'd love it if it turned out that was at his betrayal, as it was raining then too.
Can someone tell me why Kylo's face is different at the end of the trailer then at the beginning?
md11086 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:15:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was just some sort of bandage thing probably
Tenrac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:18:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think what we are seeing is two different periods of time. In the beginning of the trailer his facial wound is still healing, and has some type of star wars bandage on it. Then, at the end, it is later and the wound has healed more.
Am I the only one who thinks Snoke is talking to Kylo? Cause he did not find Rey as far as we are concerned. He did find Kylo and turn him...and it does go to Kylo and not rey until heโs finished...heโs definitely talking about Kylo.
I didn't think I could get more excited than for Episode 1 when I was a kid. Then I didn't think I could get more excited than The Force Awakens a couple years ago.
I'll never be more excited for a movie than for this one.
pmqv ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:17:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, it was a right hand coming out of the rubble. Just a right hand palm facing the screen, so it looks like a left. The grip at the end of the shot gives it away. Would've been juicy as hell if it had been a left hand though.
Randolm ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:20:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
UfaKefay ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:20:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not gonna lie I don't like what they are doing with Luke so far. Seems like they are turning him into a little whiney bitch.....oh wait they did thar with his dad in the prequals. Can't he be the badass he was in the books.
The hype! This is the best looking Star Wars movie, Rian Johnson is amazing! The imagery of the walkers, Luke's hand, the great shots....Snoke, Finn vs. Phasma, AHHHH!
That's still possible. Completely speculating here, but after Kylo nukes the school, Luke goes into hiding, gives R2 the missing piece of the map, then R2 goes into sleep mode.
Good point. Ya as Iโve watched it again, that looks more so like a building on fire than a pyre. Thanks.
bionix90 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:34:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was a flashback of Ben/Kylo burning down Luke's original Jedi Temple down, killing all his students and leaving him for dead... except that he survived.
bionix90 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:32:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe this time she won't be a useless traitor sent down a trash compactor.
Hey, Phasma. You're a soldier of the First Order. If they want you to lower the fucking shields so that your weapon of ultimate destruction becomes vulnerable, what you do is scream "Hail Supreme Leader Snoke", and shoot yourself in the head before endangering his grand design.
The AT ATs in the first shot, stomping the ground with the red dust coming up, near those cliffs. Spoils how they literally slaughter the fighters that attacked them. How both Snoke and Luke mention raw power obviously referring to Rey. Luke on the ground obviously hurt saying this won't end the way you think it is. Kylo targeting Leia. Rey hinting that she joins the dark side. Maybe Kylo switching back over to the light.
Regardless I think way too much was spoiled for me in this trailer and I regret watching it. Still beyond excited.
I'm pretty positive they were referencing Kylo. Luke is saying he saw what Kylo was capable of and did nothing (or did the wrong thing), and won't make that mistake with Rey.
McDreads ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:25:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When they show the close-up of Leia's face, I was reminded of Empire Strikes Back, when Luke was calling out for help to Leia, and they were force-communicating. Perhaps she is doing the same with Kylo.
Also, what if, at the very end of the trailer, Kylo is actually reaching out his hand to LEIA? To help her in some way??
I think there is lots of misdirection in the trailer. Can't wait to see it!
vhiran ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:48:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
props to adam driver for looking like he was about to throw up when considering taking that shot.
Okay listen up this is what will happen: Luke figures out that Rey is as strong as Snoke. He refuses to go with her to destroy Snoke. She goes alone, gets captured and tortured by Snoke. Luke finds out, follows her and before he can reach her Kylo takes him by surprise and hurts him bad and leaves him for dead. He goes to Rey and rescues her from Snoke. They both destroy Snoke. They form a pact to bring order to the galaxy. Like a mad evil king and his queen. Movie ends with both Snoke and Luke still alive, albeit very very hurt. (Luke lost an arm)
Hereโs my quick prediction of the seriesโ direction based off the trailer:
Rey is upset Luke decides to not train her. She confronts Kylo and confesses her thoughts to him. He, in a moment of compassion and accidentally tipping towards the light, agrees to help her find her way. He takes her to Snoke, thinking he will help her the way he helped him.
Instead, Snoke chokes the fuck out of her as punishment for Kylo caving into the light just a little. However, this finally pushes Kylo into the light fully, and he saves Rey completely betraying Snoke and the First Order.
Episode IX will feature a (mostly) good guy Ben Solo, with Snoke being the absolute primary Antagonist.
I really dont believe we were shown anything major that we didn't already know from previous trailers/media. However, I have a theory about certain scenes, including the final scene...
Feels way more fantastical than any of the others. I like it.
fasnoosh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:44:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke has seen the raw strength before in Kylo Ren. He was not scared, but now he sees the same thing in Rey. He is scared now, due the past trauma. Luke then abandons rey due to fear of repeating history. Rey goes and finds Kylo for guidence. And Kylo and Rey are siblings.
I absolutely love the way that when Rey is practicing with her lightsaber it matches up perfectly with the music and then the rock breaks on the next beat. Luke looks terrified and I peed my pants.
I'm sure someone has pointed this out already, but I'm pretty certain the Rey and Kylo scene at the end is a massive misdirect.
The lighting on Rey's face is more of a subtle warmth more of a gentle feel, and only covers part of her face, while Kylos is much more of a red color and the light flickers slightly, while Rey's light is consistent the entire time.
there's also no smoke or flames in the background, evidenced by the background being still while there's clearly moving smoke behind Kylo.
I think the Rey scene is during her training with Luke in a cave of some kind, while the Kylo scene is during a battle, perhaps him saving a fellow first order member, offering another hero to turn to the Darkside, Or maybe even offering himself to Luke? (this one's probably a stretch but it's not completely out of possibility)
We see Kylo thinking about killing Leia, and then cut to him raging out. I think he will fail to kill Leia and then later receive a report that she died later anyways. This failure to kill her and his rage over her death is what causes him to freak out.
Codyw28 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:45:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is anyone elseโs brain machine exploding with theories?
Satyrsol ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:46:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So why are the big AT-ATs literal knuckle-draggers? They seem to walk on "knuckles", and more to the point, one of them seems to drag the "knuckles".
Does anyone have any ideas about the silhouette in the first shot? I thought it might be Rae Solane at first, but I think that might be wishful thinking.
She's 74. That's her age. She was 19 years before the clone wars started. And even without advanced space medicine, in our world she would still be capable of having what's basically a desk job commanding folks.
Ryno555 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:47:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know if the amount of WTF's and Holy Shit's that came out of my mouth watching this trailer will ever be topped. WOW - Hype Level 1000
the lack of any lightsaber on lightsaber action here, makes me think the main lightsaber fight in this film will be Luke v Kylo, which they wouldn't dare put in a trailer.
Looking like they trying to throw some hard curve balls with all these cuts between scenes. The Kylo/Leia scene, the Kylo/Rey scene, too hard to tell what's what. Bought my tickets about 3 seconds after the trailer finished, so keen!
Is that firey house with Luke in it a flashback to his Jedi training school being destroyed?
Perhaps Luke saying he felt this power before was Luke referencing Snoke. Snoke destroys the school. He feels the same power in Rey and refuses to train her, attempting to make himself the Last Jedi. Rey rebels, leading to the interaction with Kylo and Snoke.
Perhaps at the end of the trailer Rey is addressingโ, not Kylo, but either a force ghost or a Shaman if the Whills. It was deliberately edited to make us believe Rey was seeking answers from Kylo.
It is apprant though, Kylo is struggling with his identity and his aligence. Patricide will have that effect on you.
I think it's very interesting that Luke is afraid.
Yoda spoke about avoiding fear and Luke had his iconic "I'm not afraid line". Doesn't seem to add up. I'm thinking one of the story arcs is how Luke is afraid and therefore has lost his way. That could roll into an explanation about him going into exile or why he won't leave exile for this crisis.
They explained that in Force Awakens. Luke was trying to reestablish the Jedi order, then Kylo and the Knights of Ren killed everyone and burned the place down .
sirms ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:07:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Abrams didn't do it.
I mean. I haven't seen the movie yet. maybe there will be more adherence to the George Lucas style than this trailer is letting on, but right now I'm a little nervous.
glad to know that Abrams will be directing 9 so this def won't be an issue
There's no way Ren pulls the trigger when its locked on the bridge of Leia's ship.
He's still struggling with the pull to the light and Snoke is going to abandon him for it, taking on Rey as his pupil. Shes struggling to find her place and wants answers, Luke won't help her but Snoke will.
Watch Kylo Ren and Rey swap sides at the end of the film.
cmath89 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:02:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No BB-h8 footage? OUTRAGE! /s
bionix90 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:16:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We see a bit of him in the space battle.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:04:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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3ntr0py_ ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:07:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like Luke refuses to train Rey further because of the raw power. She then tells him that she will learn from Kylo or snoke to learn to destroy them if he won't train her. He then tell her it won't go the way she thinks. She is not ready
At about 0:26 we start hearing a rendition of a dark side theme through shots of Rey talking about something inside her always being there. NOW THIS IS THE BIG PART: Listen to the the sound her lightsaber makes at 0:44. IT MAKES THE EXACT SAME SOUND PATTERN. It matches rhythm AND pitch. It is only slightly off time in the measure, I think this is meant to make it not so immediately noticeable (i.e. there is a shorter distance in time between the last time you hear those notes and the sound of the lightsaber than between the last time you hear those notes and the time before that, make sense?) Thoughts?
Don't put too much into this. In the TFA trailer Luke says "The force is strong in my family. My father had it, I have it, you have that power too." He doesn't say that in the film anywhere. He recorded it just for the trailer. Just because it's in a trailer doesn't mean it will be in the movie.
Of course. But we should certainly be looking for thematic hints from the trailer, even if some are misdirection. My thoughts are that the super subtle stuff (like this) is more likely to be indicative of what will actually happen, but that is just speculation.
Yep! TFA had Dan Mindel, and TLJ has Steve Yedlin. Neither have had very noteworthy careers, though. Rian Johnson, the director, is definitely adding a lot to the mix.
Jbird_87 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:29:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is that Snoke that has Rey bent backwards?? There's a body in the background of that scene with a gold robe on. And Snoke has on a gold robe while he's reaching out.
It seems he is talking to Kylo Ren, maybe. Snoke says, "When I found you..." which doesn't imply it's a 'he' that he's talking to. In the novel "Bloodlines" Snoke already knows Ben Solo exists in Leia's womb. Snoke pulls at him and it is stated in the book. This is speculation, but it seems that the opening dialogue is about Rey. She seems pretty special. We've all seen what she did in TFA. He could very well be talking to Kylo, and about Kylo, but even the part of dialogue I just posted makes me believe that Rey is the subject of the sentence.
Kiostuv ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:39:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I read Bloodline and don't remember Snoke being mentioned at all. I remember there being a mention of Kylo training with Luke but nothing beyond that.
No, I mean all of the Star Wars books have been declared as not canon to the movies.
Unless Bloodline was excluded from that rule, using that as a source for predictions is useless. Feel free to correct me if i'm wrong, though.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:19:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No... anything book before 2014 is not canon. All the new books are definitely canon buddy.
jopaymc_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:35:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
2:07 of the trailer shows similar lighting to RotJ and TFA for Luke and Kylo. She too is torn, but why tho? Will Luke give up on her because he did see this power before and it does scare him now? I dunno.
UGH this was so amazing. I swear Kylo better not kill Leia cause I'm gonna bawl. Seeing Snoke in the flesh was awesome. I hope he doesn't kill Rey. Finn and Phasma battling it out is gonna be so cool. And that last scene though! Whhhaat?
that scene where peeps are thinking Rey turns to the dark side towards the end when Kylo puts out his hand def can't be true.. he doesn't have the carbon scar yet.. that scene is prob just "him" and earlier in the film no?
Edit: unless that carbon scar is like a Wolverine type technology
3ntr0py_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:01:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if the Raw Strength/Power comparison mentioned is between Rey and Darth Vader? Luke turns her down so she seeks the help of Kylo and Snokes to teach her about the force. Kylo senses hes being put on the back burner by Snoke hence his tantrum and willingness to kill Leia because he thinks his past is suppressing his full potential. In the end, Kylo couldnโt kill Leia and he flips and stops Rey from making the same mistake he did.
I'm expecting Rey and Snoke to have a scene between the two of them in the dark cave where Rey asks a riddle of Snoke to figure out what she has in her pocket.
Mackaf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:42:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A porg in her pocket
Jagasaur ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:09:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are we not going to talk about the AT-ATs on steroids? I thought they were just modified AT-ATs but if you look closely you can see regular ones next the giant gorilla like one. They are menacingly HUGE.
Any chance luke has the same results from solitude as yoda. As in the the crazy behavior laughing and not being yoda like. Though luke obviously isn't the laughy kinda of crazy but maybe the other side of that spectrum.
Is anyone else sad that Kylo destroys his helmet? That thing is so badass, I hope we get to hear him talk even just a little bit with it on in this movie! The voice in TFA...gave me goosebumps. Who knows how far into the movie he'll destroy it. It does make perfect sense for his character development though to destroy it.
I believe the title says it all, it's so simple. In the teaser we hear Luke say the Jedi must die. Meaning the beliefs, morals, way of thinking, feeling and acting, basically the Jedi religion is too soft. It's what cause them to fall. So a new religion must be made. Like how the Canon has grey Jedi. And that's what he's been doing all these years in self exile. Which we also see very old books of the Jedi. Could be going the ways way before anyone can remember.
Mackaf ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:16:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ancient Jedi were grey Jedi before it fractured into dark amd light
Holy shit all of the leaks I read were right I'm going to die
HK-47b ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:40:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bladerunner was cool.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:46:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can tell I'm going to like this more that the force awakens.
trsvrs ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:56:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The whole trailer had this whole animalistic vibe that I really dug.
The ATs in the beginning lurched like apes, an ice fox, words like "untamed" and "raw," an animal sidekick porg. Even the ships crashing into the red sand and breaking apart instead of exploding reminded me of a downed bird. The brutishness and kineticism of Finn's Z6 riot baton, too.
It seemed more physical than technological, which is a bit different, but I really thought it was super cool.
I trust nothing! The final part between Rey and Kylo are in 2 different locations though. I think Rey is talking to Luke by a campfire and Kylo just made a new ally somewhere.
Kylo smashing his mask, his hesitation to fire on Leia's ship, and that line about killing the past and becoming who you're supposed to be... I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that Kylo turns back to the light or becomes a grey Jedi.
Phathom ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:42:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
None of these scenes will be in the movie.
HK-47b ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:33:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Correct.
Coragus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:41:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I though Luke Skywalker was meant to be the most powerful force wielder to ever live?
assuser ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:33:21 on October 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
According to some weird EU book written by some hack, maybe that was the case. If we look at the films themselves there's really nothing at all that should lead a viewer to believe this. Even if you looked at the OT alone there's no reason to think that, he was owned by Palpatine who only got taken out because of hubris over controlling Vader and thus letting his guard down. And if we do take into account the PT, Luke doesn't really hold a candle to the Jedi in their prime just before their fall. That's what makes Luke an interesting character. He's an average Jedi at best who is continually thrown into these situations with other force users who outmatch him. He's 1-1 to Vader, 0-1 to Palpatine, 0-1 to Kylo and ostensibly 0-1 to Rey. He wants whats best for his friends, his family and for the galaxy at large but continually has the odds stacked against him.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 07:01:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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HK-47b ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:32:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He turned his back, like all jedi do, in the end. Meatbags.
Just a note cos I'm super busy, at the end it looks like Kylo is talking to Rey, but if you look at her background it's all calm and stuff, while in his background it's raining fire. If they were in the same area you'd think there'd be a samey background. Could be though that stuff's burning behind him but not her, but just thought I'd add that.
raiigiic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:49:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the most important question we can ask here is: who is luke talking to when he's talking about seeing raw strength before and being afraid? Yoda? Anakin? The obvious would be rey of course, but i feel his facial features and dramatic appearance may state otherwise, and that in fact, he is talking ABOUT rey?
raiigiic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:54:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it could be! Ewan confirmed? or Alec CGI? or are we talking Ben Solo? perhaps its a final shot.. Ben Solo returns after saving Leia (its her hes reaching out to at the end) and after snoke has convinced rey to turn! Another comment i made was how it definitely looks like Snoke whos torturing her; you can see similar robes/ clothing in the background to what he was wearing in his close up!
MykeeB ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:09:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've been noticing a lot of Disney movies have characters yelling "C'MON" while making a strike during a fight scene. Could just be edited in for the trailer, but Finn does it against Phasma. I've also noticed Captain America do it once or twice. It's kinda in character for him, but I also noticed a villain do it in another movie, I now forget which though.
bon_bons ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:11:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
zoidar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:54:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not a big fan of the cinematography. Some great shots here and there and It's certainly better than TFA's but it seems to share the same DNA of it where it feels ultra vivid, ultra clear, almost product shot or magazine photoshoot looking images.
Why couldn't they just have made the cinematography naturalistic like in Looper, Rogue One, or in the old SW films. TLJ is shot on film yet looks so surreal and digital.
I think Luke will ditch Rey because heโs afraid of her power just as he was with Kylo (as seen in the trailer), Then later on near the end of the movie Snoke will pull her to the dark side while over the course of this movie we see Kyloโs journey to the light side (Slowly but surely). I think this whole trilogy is a play on Duality (Thinking of Black Swan in particular) and they are making us believe that Rey is the Hero in this while really this is Kyloโs story of redemption. Heโs the ultimate Antihero and he will be the one to kill Snoke. Not sure how Luke will fit into all this yet but I have this gut feeling it will turn out like this.
Even though it is highly unlikely, if Rey mid-way through TLJ does join Kylo and the FO, wreaking havoc on the New Republic, causing Luke to break out of his stupor and make a bad ass return in IX, I would be onboard.
Vyergulf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:17:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is what I think will happen. That he will have to kill both Ren and Rey.
Didn't the first trailer feature stuff about 'the balance' as opposed to simply being on the 'light side' and the 'dark side'; everyone's talking about Rey and Kylo possibly switching sides - maybe the whole thing is instead them finding the perfect compromise, using both light and dark?
Saying there is a dark side to the force implies that there is a light side as well. Good and bad. Yin and yang. What you're saying is along the lines of "The moon and the dark side of the moon". Unless you're trying to say that the dark side is actually a part of the force as a whole, in which case I would ask what makes up the other part.
The force is just "the force", but the dark side is simply a corrupted aspect of the force. Your Moon analogy does not work here since that specifically pertains to actual, physical, literal light reflecting off of a surface.
The force is just "the force", but the dark side is simply a corrupted aspect of the force.
So the dark side is park of the force, and "the force" contains the dark side?
since that specifically pertains to actual, physical, literal light reflecting off of a surface.
It's an analogy. There is "the moon" and a "dark side of the moon". But let me make it simpler then. An apple with a bruise. The apple is the force and the bruise is the dark side. Or the sound waves from a song coming out of a speaker being the force, and the bass guitar is the dark side. Yes?
Wow! To be honest, I canโt believe weโre alresdy at this point (Iโve been waiting for this for almost two years).
Reading the commentsโโ
I think that the Leia-Kylo scene is probably legit, and itโs probably how Leia dies. I know it would be impossible given the circumstances, but Iโd prefer it if she died in a less blow-up kind of way.
Also, it would be a GREAT plot twist if Rey went to the Dark Side / teamed up with Kylo. I agree that it does look like there was a bit of editing, but who knows..!
Honestly kind of okay with this. 3PO is easily the worst main character in the series. Not that he sucks, but if he wasnโt there I donโt think Iโd feel like something was missing. The only times I really really enjoyed 3POโs presence is when Han is being a dick to him. R2 is great due to him kind of being like manโs best friend to Luke, but also kind of feel like BB-8 has him beat for this new trilogy due to how expressive and full of life he is.
To be a clone doesn't mean someone needs to be alive I'm sure the empire has Anakin's DNA stored for Vader maintenance....doubt she is but being dead doesn't rule that out
True, i was thinking reincarnation just isnt really feasible
echonian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:45:40 on December 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At best she could be a test tube baby with his DNA mixed with someone else's DNA, since you can't get a clone of a different sex on the same set of DNA. Or maybe they took his sperm and froze it, who knows.
Though then she would just be Luke's half-sister, and that wouldn't be all that exciting or compelling.
I loved Force Awakens, I loved the first trailer for The Last Jedi, I love Star Wars... I despised this trailer. If Rey is stronger than Luke and he spends the movie making dopey faces as she does massive force attacks I'm going to be so disappointed. I know this is a trailer and 90% of it is misdirection (that last line between Rey and Kylo was def not between Rey and Kylo based on the lighting), but the feeling of Luke being some incapable trainer was too much...
It's hard to let go of the borderline Force God Luke was in the old EU books, but it does feel like they're going to swing too far the other way.
It's already canon that Anakin was going to become basically a Force God in the Clone Wars series, so for Luke to seem this outclassed by raw power seems wrong.
Iokuas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:52:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It just didn't show anything interesting and ended on a lame ass tease. It was just a bunch of little clips of the cast doing some action movie shit without any cohesion. It's like someone just vomited all the movie trailer tropes.
Would you rather they give away the whole plot of the movie?
I was satisfied. It gave us enough to chew on without giving anything away so far.
Also, it makes complete sense it would end on a tease. The whole point of a trailer is to get people to see the movie. They want to know what'll happen.
Iokuas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:32:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, I would rather they focus on something. The previous trailer worked because it had a theme, this one is just 'OMG LASERS, OMG REY PEW PEW PEW LIGHTSABER NEERRRHHH PEW PEW PEW KYLO REN IN SPACE SHIP PEW PEW PEW FINN'S GOT A CLUB PEW PEW PEW BRAGHARA!' it didn't feel like a Star Wars trailer.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:39:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just gonna say it, not a fan of whatever that fur ball is. I get what they are trying to do introducing it but imo I donโt think stuff like that belongs in Star Wars.
even if its a bait and switch and they turn out to be crazy, violent little dudes itll be too much like minions or rocket raccoon and just annoy me. we dont need fucking porgs.
This one revealed too much. I'm now fairly certain about how it's all gonna play out.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:48:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Meh I'm not gonna spread my butt cheeks just yet. Not that exciting of a trailer. Maybe I'm just bitter TFA wasn't a very good or original movie. Perhaps that's good because my standards are pretty low. If Luke doesnt fire up a lightsaber I'm going to be bitter as fuck. They managed to make him look like a disheveled whacky professor in this; not a good sign
A Master training a Padawan. First Order/ Empire trying to take over the universe. Emo Kylo. I hope I am wrong. I want this movie to be great. The formula of previous Star Wars movies has worked so why deviate from it? But I wish for something new and mind blowing which we may not get.
I totally agree that I want it to be different, but I think this trailer doesn't give all the details as to what's going down. We don't know how much training Luke with give to Rey, or what the consequences will be. First Order taking over the universe is a cliche, but they kinda have to stick with it coming off episode VII. And I think Kylo won't be quite as emo as he was last time.
The trailer's doing a lot to throw people off right now. We'll just have to wait and see if Disney wants to make something original and exciting, or if they just want another cash cow. Let's hope it's the first.
Did anyone else notice that the AT-ATs looked less like elephants (from the original series) and more like gorillas? Demonstrating their aggressive, bad-ass, donโt-fuck-with-me offense stances.
Mikalton ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:50:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why is chewie cgi?
JRMiel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:54:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have the same question... I was a little bit chocked when I saw it. A little bit weird.
By the way,I think that this trailer was "to much CGI". In comparaison with precedent movies, we can clearly see all the special effects. That's ugly
I just have to make one criticism: the AT-AT "v2" looks far too aggressive. I know this is the second Empire we're taking about - basically Space Nazis with even more Nazi this time - but the red, glowing, triangular view ports just look a little too hokey. There's "let's make this faction look a little like Nazi Germany", and then there's "let's make them look like Nazi Germany if they were into worshipping Satan and as drawn in the margin of an angsty young boy's notebook".
Put another way, in canon, the designs of the Empire have always been very utilitarian. Giant and imposing, but always functional. The AT-AT had a simple horizontal slit view port for both the pilots to look out of. It was never designed to look specifically "evil" because its intimidation factor - in adherence to the Tarkin Doctrine - was achieved through its sheer imposing size. The new ones, with "angry faces" as part of their design, come across as a bit juvenile, IMHO.
hulibuli ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 10:12:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know it's mostly because our overall technology has advanced, but I'm really baffled about the fact that Luke, Han, Leia and the rest crippling the Empire only resulted it to turn into a more powerful war machine with advanced tech and insane super weapons.
The First Order should be the underdog resulting to underdog tactics, but I guess there's two problems with that: Humans and therefore the audience generally siding with the underdog and that those underdog tactics would basically make The First Order terrorists, Space ISIS instead of Space Nazis.
Making the good guys semi-rebels hiding again just makes it feel like the triumph in the original trilogy was for nothing.
So so agree. Been saying this ever since the super black and scary ships of TFA were first shown.
Don't tell the audience that they're evil by putting horns on all of their heads and red visors for their eyes. The originals had them as utilitarian mass produced grays, which could belong to either side, and then showed us how they're evil with actual plot where they're authoritarian and fascists, etc.
It's the old show, don't tell argument in writing, and the new Star Wars design is a huge weak point that actually makes me a bit sad for the wasted potential.
Not to brag or anything (and certainly when we aren't really sure of anything just quite yet) but I posted this thread a while back, and--it just might be happening!!!!! SUPER EXCITED FOR THE MOVIE
Finally get to see Gwendoline Christie perform some of her GoT moves in Star Wars, something I've been waiting for since I saw her name on the cast list!
Danc777 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:29:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I killed so many younglings watching this.
belthat ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:36:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man I'm leaning more and more towards Rey being Palpatine's descendent. That line about facing that kind of raw power before...
I think Luke's "this is not going to go the way you think" line is to Rey - looks like he's in the same cave they showed Rey getting out of the water in.
This would mean Rey overpowers Luke, which I really hope doesn't happen because I don't see how that's possible.
Likewise, "Return of the Jedi" is "Return of the Jedi knights" in German. Which is why I, for example, automatically presumed the English title to refer to more than one Jedi.
CarterG4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:27:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was under the assumption that it meant Rey would be the last singular Jedi, but now I'm not so sure.
Mackaf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:56:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its a odd translation. Jedi is singular and plural like moose. Therefore its ambiguity lends thought to rey not being the only Jedi but one of the last few
No offenss, but even George Lucas had this plan for his sequel trilogy. That is the sort of the point for these new movies - to usher in a new era of heroes while the torch is slowly passed.
danerer ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:23:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh SHIT what a birthday present. I haven't been excited for a birthday in a while.
nubbie ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:51:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone else nervous that this could mirror Empire Strikes back very closely?
Rey trains with Luke, then sees a vision of Finn being in trouble so she goes and has to face Snoke?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:38:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think she'll leave Luke. I could see her convincing Luke that they need to leave Ach-to rather than her giving up on her training.
Just want to say if you think the movie looks terrible then don't fucking watch it. Nobody is going to Clockwork Orange your eyes open and force you to. Try not to ruin it for the rest of us that love Star Wars and want to enjoy these movies.
RomuRaf ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:13:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you're letting other people's comments / opinions ruin it for you, I'd say it's probably something you should try and change in yourself rather than trying to change a huge load of random people instead. But just my perspective of course, as you shared yours.
You raise a good point. I definitely don't care about these people's comments when I close Reddit. I just don't understand why they think this movie is so terrible before even watching it.
RomuRaf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:16:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I'd have to agree. I have expectations based on trailers, but I always take it with a grain of salt and reserve judgement until I've seen it. At least I try to.
In terms of the reddit thing, I removed the quick link from my start page because it was taking way too much of my time (like today haha), and I got worked up a bit by things that have no other meaning or value to the rest of my life. Me problems eh. But yeah, still here commenting on your comment commenting on other people's comments :P so... yeah.
HAWG ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:45:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I dont care if people think the movie is not great after it comes out. But the people declaring it a disappointment after seeing a 2 minute trailer are ridiculous.
BigDuse ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:34:50 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is the movie really that enjoyable if random negative comments on here can ruin it for you?
โข You have Rey, who is a powerful but untrained force-user.
โข You have Kylo, who is also a powerful but untamed force-user.
โข I think Rey gets Jedi training from Luke on that island, and Kylo gets some training from Snoke.
โข Then, since Jedis are all about balance in the force and the universe, the two of them probably decide that this whole war that has been going on between the Rebels and the Empire โ for literally generations โ has gone on long enough, and they decide to team up and forcibly end the war themselves โ to bring order and balance to the galaxy.
โข Star Wars is known for its repeating themes โ like family lineages, and limbs being cut off by lightsabers. So, the theme of a pair of force-users teaming up to bring โorderโ to the galaxy is also a repeating theme.
โข Poor Finn. Looks like he goes back into the ranks of the Empire.
But doesn't he destroy his masks and try to put the past behind? I interpreted this as him deciding to stop trying to be like Vader and becoming an own kind of sith or turning away from the dark side altogether, without the need to choose between his life and that of a close relative he cares too much about.
I'm guessing the smashing comes right after the scene where Kylo was kneeling in that red throne room. If I had to guess Snoke's gonna berate the shit out of him for being a wannabe bitch that got slapped by Rey (who he already had kind of a "wtf is wrong with you kylo" reaction to) and that'll make him feel like a weak fanboi.
So Snoke is going to be like ~50% of the fans after TFA were? Mad, that despite all of the physical wounds and psychological trauma, he could not kill or capture someone who is incredibly powerful with the force? That'd be so meta lol.
I mean, I'm guessing it'll boil down to something like, "I thought you were supposed to be some raw af badass, but instead this scavenger reads YOUR mind and cuts your face? She might be replacing you, Linkin Park, go find her and try not to lose this time"
Maybe he liked every film up until this trailer? You don't know this person.
Obscu ยท 55 points ยท Posted at 22:38:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's still being an un-called-for dick. There isnt any context that would mitigate that.
[deleted] ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 23:09:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Having an opinion isn't being a dick.
Obscu ยท 88 points ยท Posted at 23:21:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nor does it preclude one from being a dick. Opinions dont get a free pass. It's fine if you think a movie is bad, for example, or outright the worst movie you've ever seen. If, however, you express that opinion as stating that the movie is utter shite that people are mindlessly lapping up, then you are being a dick because you've gone from criticising the movie to calling anybody who likes the movie a shiteater just because you didnt like it.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:25:23 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Obscu ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 04:29:46 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for your insight. Truly, this moment shall go down in the annals of history as the one where you enriched all of our lives.
It's all about how you say it, but that requires a certain level of social skills and awareness and we're not in the best of places for that.
If he had worded it like "I've been a fan of the series for a while but this isn't doing it for me because x y z" that's a valid opinion. Instead he declared it as shit in a way that his view is fact and that's the problem.
For the record I think Star Wars stuff is neat and I'll watch it but I'm not really invested in it, I just wanted to make a point in regards to that post.
[deleted] ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 01:07:01 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Obscu ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 03:10:44 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really don't. I try not to feel superior to other people's views. Especially when it comes to entertainment. I am not perfect, however, so sometimes I do look down on others opinions. I try to make that a rarity.
Itโs pointless to go here and post how it looks like with no reasoning.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:36:28 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
P R O J E C T I N G
I literally just said "This looks like complete shit that everyone is going to gobble up like it's frosting."
What part of that implies that I have a problem with people liking it? Quit assuming the intension* of my words, you epsilon, and keep ya dang mouf shut.
Wow. Do you have a problem with people enjoying things that you don't like? You do know that "good" and "bad" are subjective right?
snoozeflu ยท -23 points ยท Posted at 19:38:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
While what you say is correct, if everyone continues to accept the dogshit, then there is very little reason for the filmmakers to improve. That's where the problem lies.
I agree with the person you replied to. In that trailer I wanted to see Luke Skywalker wreck someone with his lightsaber, not Rey hitting rocks.
[deleted] ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 20:01:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just because it's dogshit to you doesn't mean everyone else is wrong for enjoying it (and by extension encouraging more of what they enjoy). Clearly the vast overwhelming majority of people like/love these films. Theyre not gonna cater to the insignificant amount that don't.
[deleted] ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 00:52:25 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow. Do you have a problem with people hating things that you like? You do know that "bad" and "good" are subjective right?
Super original comment bud. I have no problem with other people's preferences. I thought the guy who's comment I replied to did. Which is why I asked. Any other questions?
The overly silly looking walkers and that X-Wing with an attached "afterburner" on it behind the hyperdrive unit.
The tall eared animal looks like something they plagiarised from the movie 'Riddick'.
I didn't watch all of the trailer, I just looked for ONE stupid thing, to make me NEVER see any of the new Star Wars movies. All of the have been disappointing, becuase the people that make these movies don't seem to care about sci-fi or fantasy (oddly enough), they seem to care about an superficial action adventure and making money. Not the type of movie I want to watch given the standard set with the original SW trilogy.
Ah so you fit into Original purist elitist category of old man fan gotcha lol.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:37:29 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What about it looks good? It just looks like a mash cut of a bunch of random scenes with a been-there-heard-that voiceover. It's somewhere between a teaser and a trailer, but purposely refuses to commit to either.
Well what do you want to see going on in this next film?
Urethra ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 00:45:31 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They retconned Ep 7 and started making the Thrawn trilogy instead? A man can dream...
NebbyMan ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 02:24:05 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, lucky for you, Thrawn's story is being told in Rebels starting from season 3. Season 4 will be starting soon, and that'll probably be the end of his story.
Complaining about all of reddit while you arbitrarily decide what appeals to different people and what they should like. Are you incapable of accepting that people have different tastes and like different things from different movies? You guys need to calm the fuck down.
Edit: That was a quick delete of your response there buddy.
Bingo. Just like TFA. There is a new breed of movie goer that is all about the "popcorn movie" and this will be just that. Transformers, Fast and furious, the avengers etc and now Star Wars has lost its creator/innovation and become just another popcorn cash grab and the people will eat it up
[deleted] ยท 84 points ยท Posted at 05:54:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You couldnt market Star wars as an R rated film I guess
[deleted] ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 22:56:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hidden Fortress characters acting out all the plot to Hero's Journey, written in the form of a Flash Gordon fan fiction.
Obviously the criteria for a bad movie is not so simple, otherwise New Hope would have been garbage. The reason your argument is struggling is because you're basing it on the premise that it is that simple
Stupidog ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 22:20:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not an unoriginal cash grab? A New Hope is the hidden fortress in space with a dash of flash gordon mixed in because he was denied the rights to make a flash gordon film. And then he went and basically INVENTED merchandising/cash grabbing.
It was not an unoriginal cash grab because there was no fan base in place to grab the cash from (unlike now). Also, Hollywood blockbusters were not the same in the 1970s as they are now. Think harder. There was Jaws and then star wars. There were no franchises in place, the production line blockbuster hadn't been invented. Lucas INNOVATED merchandising. Stop acting like he was some money hungry hack who released some rip off of a kurosawa film. He stated many times his influences for his movies. You act like he was fucking michael bay and hasbro.
Also, TFA taking the plot from a new hope is completely different. IT ripped off it's own franchise and called it a sequel, when really it's a rehash/soft reboot. At least lucas created his own nouns and technologies, planets, ships, aliens, location, etc. Or did he steal that too? TFA simply took and modified all of his ideas. There is no way any sane person would watch "The lost fortress" and then watch "star wars" and say " oh man what a rip off." On the other hand it's very easy to watch "Star Wars' and then watch TFA and say "what a rip off."
You're disrespect for Lucas is sickening and you should be slapped.
You fanboys are unbearable and devoid of critical and logical thinking.
I think I might speak for a lot of people who were born in the early 90s when I say that The Phantom Menace was pretty fucking awesome to experience as a kid, ya know when you aren't actively seeking flaws with a movie and it's the first actual installment of the franchise youve been exposed to.
Yup. I didn't know people disliked Episode 1 until I read about it a few years later. Darth Maul was badass, Podracing was awesome, Dual lightsabers were insane, the Battle for Naboo was wild. People hated the prequels for not being the original trilogy, then the same people hate the sequels for being too much like the original trilogy.
Arkadii ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 11:27:48 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Born in 92, Phantom Menace was great as a kid, but you don't have to "seek" flaws in those movies to find them as an adult. They're fucking terrible. I'm not saying there's not plenty of good things about them and there isn't some great imagination and world building behind it, but all of the basic functionality of a movie (acting, cinematography, writing) is pretty dreadful even for someone who loved them as a kid.
Sadly, the vast majority of things we like as children just don't stand the test of time.
Over the years I've rewatched a bunch of films/tv shows that I liked as a child and maintained a fondness for over the years, and most were straight trash, many were meh, very few still had something of qualitative value to them. Kids will like anything that hits certain simple marks. If it happens to be regarded as "good" that's just a happy coincidence.
fwiw the prequel trilogy had some great stuff going on, it has phenomenal music, some fantastic art direction and character/costume design, and Ewen McGregor's dedicated performance as a young Alec Guinness as a jedi is terrific. The problems with the trilogy are vast and storied. I won't retread willingly.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:55:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
anyone who starts their message with "LOL" is clearly 12
manfly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:23:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually it's an everyone circle jerk including actual Reddit circle jerk comic Patton Oswalt who does a very circle jerky standup bit about the prequels
kutwijf ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 11:45:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The prequels weren't that bad. Disney obviously misunderstood what people disliked about those films. It wasn't their originality or even the political drama. It was the dialogue and the way the story was told.
[deleted] ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 11:52:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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kutwijf ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 12:09:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And? I'll bet the majority of Star Wars fans like the prequels despite their faults. If you look at the ratings on RT or Metacritic, they really aren't rated that low. Over time, I think more and more people have come to enjoy them for what they are.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 13:01:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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kutwijf ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:04:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know there are SW fans outside of that sub, right? How abour SW fans that don't even use reddit?
vonpoppm ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:14:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shh don't break the circle. I mean who cares if it's only a vocal minority who didn't like them. Forgetting that pre Phantom lightsaber fights were like swinging big heavy swords with slow movements.
[deleted] ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 13:29:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I actually enjoyed the prequels and I think that this one looks like garbage.
LukeKane ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:17:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You got a reason why it looks garbage?
Edin8999 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:44:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm sorry but are you really comparing Star Wars to the shit show that Transformers and fast&furious have become?
Have you seen the latest transformer movie? The last Jedi could be a 3 hour long movie about Luke taking a dump and it would be more enjoyable then the last Transformers movie.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 05:10:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
new breed
Lol
Savber ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:41:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Congrats. That was the most moronic thing I have read today.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 05:08:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So?
[deleted] ยท -30 points ยท Posted at 05:28:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 05:39:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For people to have standards. I love Star Wars. And Star Wars was once an original, creative series (even with its misses) and now it's production line , Hollywood blockbuster fodder that gets eaten up no matter what they put out. It's disappointing to say the least.
Scoopie ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 11:28:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also, you're being purposely acute. Sure, Lucas has influences for SW, like any other film maker, but don't act as if there was a movie that Lucas just straight up copied when he made SW
Mattsoup ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:39:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He made a Kurosowa film from a French sci fi comic. It wasn't that original, but that doesn't mean I can't enjoy it.
you're comparing apples and hamburgers. Using your influences to create your own art isn't the same as blatantly copying someone else's work, especially in the same franchise.
Mattsoup ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:47:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Look. Lucas remade The Hidden Fortress in the world of Valerian. I don't care if it's a little different, you can't say he didn't rip off an older work. You can even see how the cinematography was copied.
you are wrong. Influence and copying are not the same. ESpecially in technique.
"Two bedraggled peasants, Tahei and Matashichi through conversation, reveal that they had intended to fight alongside the Yamana clan, but turned up too late, were taken for soldiers of the defeated Akizuki clan, and forced to bury the dead. After quarreling and splitting up, the two are both again captured separately then forced to dig for gold in the Akizuki castle with other prisoners.
After a prisoner uprising, Tahei and Matashichi escape. Near a river they find gold marked with the crescent of the Akizuki clan. They thereafter travel with the General of the defeated Akizuki clan, Makabe Rokurลta, while escorting Princess Yuki Akizuki and what remains of her family's gold to a secret territory. In order to keep her identity secret, Yuki poses as a mute.
During the mission, the peasants impede it and sometimes try to seize the gold. They are later joined by a farmerโs daughter, whom they acquire from a slave-trader. Eventually, they are captured and held by Rokurลta's rival, who later unexpectedly sides with the Princess and Rokurลta.
After another escape with the gold, the princess and Rokurลta, and the peasants go separate ways. The peasants stumble upon the gold, but are then arrested by Akizuki clansmen. The clansmen take the peasants to see the general, whereupon Rokurลta explains Yuki's true identity, and states that all of the gold has been used to restore her family's domain. The peasants are then dispatched, taking a single ryล. Finally, Tahei gives this to Matashichi to protect; but Matashichi allows Tahei to keep it."
How can you honestly read that plot and say Star Wars is a rip off of that. He even admits it was an influence.
But you are still missing the complete point. Lucas to Kurosawa is not the same as TFA to A New Hope.
but believe what you will.
Scoopie ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:56:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldnt say as much as he copied a movie right out. there are tons of similaries to other works.
He took a bunch stuff from other works and mashed them together.
Even the plot line is a basic Hero's journey story. Not much of an original story or concept. Yea i love star wars just as much as the next guy but you cant say with a straight face his work was original and completly new. I mean the original concept was suppose to be a Flash Gordon movie. He just couldn't secure the rights to it.
it was never my point to say Lucas's movie was 100% original. My point was he took many influences and made SW - something born of his influences and yet also with his own original ideas. That is how most Art is made.
My point is that TFA is no way the same situation.
that's where you mind goes? That's where you train of thought leads you to?
I can no longer communicate with you. The point has gone completely over your head.
Scoopie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:23:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TFA is part of the star wars universe. Of course its not original.
TFA is just as Original as ANH. TFA and ANH both rely on the hero's journey trope so of course it seems similar. Yes it seems like a remake of ANH but its a new set of character with new set of ideas or influences. It works off of the original, I mean TPM is the same way. They all follow a pattern. One is not superior to the other, one shouldn't be held to a superior movie its all pretty basic nothing special about star wars, not really. It just a fun story with fun characters and fun visuals.
Who doesn't like a Hero's journey in space?
ill just leave this here. You can keep minimizing and justifying TFA's blatant lack of originality and blatant plot steal all you want. But it's undeniable. And TPM is not the same. No need to reply, we are never going to see eye to eye on this. Have a nice day
Scoopie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:50:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm gonna reply anyways. This write up is garbage, and does not tell the story of TFA, so many inaccuracies. Go to bed you've embarrassed yourself enough for one day.
Ycrjbdek ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 10:09:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did you see episode 1? And 2 and 3?
That's probably a 50% miss rate for movies before TFA
A) I'm shocked you actually think this is somehow "new". Did you just learn about movies a week ago or something?
B) So fucking what? "People like certain kinds of movies". Great. What's your point? You'll "eat up" the shit you like, too. That's kinda the way it works.
[deleted] ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 05:20:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Careful... You're going to get downvoted into oblivion. TFA had so many cringey scenes and poor development this will follow suit. Mark Hamill will probably be sweet, the rest of the characters will just whiny annoying with no real incentives. To top it off you have the horrible looking CGI that stick out in all the wrong ways.
Seriously, some of these people clearly havenโt watched their beloved movies in a long time. Iโve always loved SW but some of the acting/dialogue/characters even in the originals were campy to say the least.
So was the trailer for TFA. I thought it was going to be something completely new but it was so much like ANH. For this movie we know Rey finds the last Jedi for training, Luke found the last in ESB for training, AT-ATs attacked in ESB, New AT-ATs attack but this time is a desert planet not snowy. From what I've seen I feel like it's going to be a rehash of ESB. I could be wrong and I probably am but I'm not getting my hopes up so if it sucks I won't be mad, and if it's good I'll be blown out of the water.
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 02:29:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anybody else find Hammillโs acting unconvincing in this?
Well I donโt want to rush to any conclusions, since itโs just a trailer, and of course theyโre going to choose the most dramatic lines for maximum impact. I just hope we get some of the old Luke personality we know and love. Or something like exiled Obi-Wan/Yoda - more sad than mad. Rarely yelling. Never exactly furious. Iโm fine if Luke has some outbursts, I just hope he wonโt be turned up to 11 like this for the whole film.
His acting always came off as kinda cheesy, and I think thatโs part of the charm of star wars. Think about any of his moments in the original trilogy.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:17:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah thatโs true. But it worked then when he was this doe-eyed rube from some desert planet. Now heโs supposed to be an old, wise Jedi and, well, Iโm not sure he can pull it off.
gotmaps ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 02:30:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean in the 15 seconds of new Luke footage in the last 35 years?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:39:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lucasfilm/Rian Johnson said Carrie's death took them completely by surprise and that they had planned for Ep. IX to be "Carrie's movie" in the same way TFA was "Harrison's movie" and TLJ "Mark's movie." However they end up killing Leia off, it wasn't spoiled by this trailer.
I'm very excited for the movie but I just have to get this off my chest...
The editing in this trailer wasn't great, it is no where near as polished as you'd come to expect from this type of big production. I also don't think the visuals looked that great either, the lighting was rather harsh for most of it, not enough contrast etc.
Either way, I'll be seeing the movie in a few months and I can't wait.
HAWG ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:40:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Im just here to bitch about a movie I have never seen. Empire strikes back 2.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:11:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
eh, its no more irrational as a person cheering a movie they haven't seen yet.
Funny how those people don't get downvoted.
HAWG ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:14:20 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Excitement for something coming is different to me than declaring something you havenโt even seen a disappointment.
They do have future sight at least, so um I guess information can travel back through time through the force, and somebody might be communicating backwards if they have a conduit? IDK. Kind of like the prophecy about Anakin.
Because of future sight, the characters in Star Wars create that future. There is only one canon Star Wars timeline and it is linear. Introducing a non-linear timeline complicates things way too much.
echonian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:48:07 on December 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Star Wars is insane enough as it is without also adding in time travel for no good reason. Every movie I've ever seen which involves time travel has been garbage (though books tend to do a better job), because they are filled with paradoxes and inconsistencies that make it impossible to take their story seriously.
Which could be avoided, I suppose, but unless time travel is the central theme to a story - it is probably best left alone. I can't see any reason why they would need to introduce time travel here.
Real talk; while that was overall completely amazing, something resembling a wet turd was splattered center-screen for a half second.
what the fuck was that thing in the co-pilots chair? Is that the new Jar-Jar binks? It felt so out of place in this, and I can only imagine loathing it.
That creature was a Porg. It is the new Ewok; meant to be the cute comic relief meant to increase merchandise sales in much the same way that people bought Minions. Honestly, I think they will become somewhat popular, but nothing like Minions or Rick and Morty McDonald's sauce.
Kane_007 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:19:58 on October 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You all complain, yet will still fork over money to watch it. Lmao.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:01:32 on October 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Kane_007 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:39:06 on October 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're crazy if you think you'll find a torrent that has as near good quality as the actual film. Disney is sitting on a $2bil movie. No way they'll let it leak.
Not wanting to start a discussion over whether or not this is a reboot of Empire Strikes Back, but I'm curious - if they were to announce up front that this was a reboot of Empire Strikes Back, would anyone be excited by that? Or is everyone sitting somewhere between hoping it's not going to be one and accepting of it if it ends up being one?
Basically I'm wondering if anyone was really hoping for an Empire Strikes Back reboot. (And I'm not saying it is, I'm just asking if anyone was hoping it was going to be).
Finn fights the first order, Luke hesitantly trains rey, but when he sees her power he refuses, and she leaves, finding kylo ren, knowing he would be more willing to teach her. During the final battle, Kylo is going to hesitate to kill his mother. Contrasting this, Rey meets Snoke, who tells her the things we've heard, then uses the force to do something to her. Her allegiance is left in question at the end.
Because the original trilogy wasn't predictable? The only twist being "I am your father." that everyone saw coming? I am genuinely curious to see if you're right though.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:46:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was not alive when A New Hope came out, you are correct. I also did not see the Luke/Leia reveal coming. But to say Star Wars was a twist and turn story of plot devices is a bit of a stretch. Love Star Wars. Love the original trilogy. Not going to shit on a new one until after I see it.
Potential SPOILERS - First and foremost, let me say that this is the Star Wars movie I've been waiting most for since the Disney announcement of purchasing Lucasfilm, since the first film was always going to be a reintroduction. Now, I have some concerns.. I worry about there being too many parallels to Empire and Return (like TFA) with training montages and dark caves and the reluctant mentor.. but I will wait before judging. Kylo & Rey at the end is probably misdirection. Snoke looks great. Kylo' fighter looks great. Johnson's direction looks great. The part I'm most excited for is Finn potentially having to face back up to the troopers he has abandoned.
So long as it doesn't kill off too many of my favorite characters, destroy too much lore, or be a close of ESB I'll be ok. So far so good though from what I've seen.
I thought Rogue One (the 2nd half anyway) was the most Star Wars thing since the OT. It was clearly crafted with a massive amount of Peter Jackson like love for somebody who knew every detail of the originals, and also didn't want to just repeat them, but tie it together in clever ways. It even bridged the weird universe of the prequels to the OT in some ways, with flashes of Coruscunt, Bail Organa, etc, and somehow brought them into the feel of the OT.
ZebZ ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:26:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was a fantastic war movie (the second half at least) set in the Star Wars universe. But it didn't feel like a Star Wars movie.
It was what many fans wanted though. Many of us have been asking for a gritty, boots on the ground Star Wars war movie. It delivered. What could have been done to make it more Star Wars-y for you?
ZebZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:31:41 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have no problem with Rogue One. It succeeded as what it was intended to be. My comments were in context of the grandparent post saying that Rogue One changed expectations for The Last Jedi.
I don't think Rogue One, being an anthology movie, should factor into any such expectations.
Have to disagree IMO was the closest and best star wars film since the first since Return of the Jedi. Even if a spin off.and not part of the main story
Obazda ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:14:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
thanks!
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 08:28:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hoping we get a unique plot this time around, and like how Force Awakens was New Hope 2.0 I'm hoping for something different than The Emperor Strikes Back 2.0
Its impossible to know that without a time machine, no one knows the plot. I like all star wars. Original, prequel, sequel. All of them have had aspects I enjoy so far.
Disney? The Lucasfilm Story Group made that decision. There's no indication that Disney exerts any creative control over their properties (Lucasfilm, Marvel, Pixar, etc.)
This trailer revealed way, way too much in my opinion. Like, even with a misdirection, there was enough there that it felt like a whole load of spoilers. Kylo Ren hesitating to shoot his mom? Kylo holding his hand out to Rey? What looks like Finn under arrest? And that was only half of it.
They really need to think before releasing trailers like this. I feel really cheated kind of just by watching that.
But those are the misdirections... those scenes were cut to look like they were together, doesnโt spoil anything imo
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:06:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of that could be misdirection. Maybe use critical thinking skills instead of telling professionals who have been doing this for decades how to do their jobs.
The ultimate Sith lord, hiding in plain sight as a bumbling but heroic sidekick the whole time. Do you think Liam Neeson and young Alec McGuiness ever knew it was him?
zgh5002 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:22:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Qui-Gon knew. That's why there is no more Qui-Gon.
Did anyone else hear the legendary "Autistic Screeching" from Sidious' "It's Treason Then" scene from Revenge of The Sith? It is mixed into the build of the music just after Rey ignites the Legacy Saber in the first part of the trailer. I haven't seen anyone talking about this or pointing this out. What could the significance be?
Doesn't matter, the entire subreddit is going to get off on protecting her image and saying how she isn't perfect against literally all the evidence showing she is a Mary Sue.
Well what evidence is there that she IS? Please tell me, because I've had this conversation so many times at this point 99% of the points brought up were explained in the film and people just didn't pay attention.
But to give you some examples/counters
"Oh how was Rey able to fix the falcon better than Han could" - She literally says (after being asked about this) that she helped Unkar Putt fix and modify the Falcon. She knows her way around it because she helped make alterations to it.
"Oh how was Rey able to use mind trick on stormtroopers" - She just had Kylo Ren invade her mind and realized she was able to feel him in her head and push back with the force. She felt her connection to the force that Maz was telling her about. So she pushed him out and now realizes that the Force can be used to manipulate people's minds. So after a few tries on a stormtrooper, she succeeds. Which is the same thing as Luke, realizing he can feel his connection to the force, and for the first time in his life deflect blaster bolts with a lightsaber after a few tries.
etc etc etc.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:04:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly, she is more of a Mary Sue than the original Mary Sue which was a satire/parody of these kinds of characters! Anyone that defends Rey's writing is a moron, and is blinded by "but meh Star Wars" circlejerk. I love Star Wars, I would marathon the original trilogy at least once per year. But this new bullshit is disappointing. Between Mary Rey Sue, and a passive protagonist in Rogue One that could have been taken out and had the same exact film. I am really disappointed by Disney in Star Wars. The only good thing has been Rebels.
You must not have been paying attention to the film because she SPECIFICALLY states how she HELPED Unkar Putt make modifications to and fix the Falcon. Which is why she knows it's ins and outs and why she calls it garbage.
Also Ren was shot in the GUT with a Crossbow that the movie sets up as so over powered people explode when they're hit by it. Ren was critically injured fighting a girl who could already handle herself having survived on the harsh planet of Jakku and was being guided by the Force in the fight.
You know the same way Luke's actions were guided by the Force when he shot the death star exhaust port
Or the same way Anakins actions were guided by the Force when he won the pod race
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:34:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Wantazmo ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:38:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And you came to that conclusion based on a trailer? Wow
[deleted] ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 04:35:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh look. Another super original fucking post. -_-
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:44:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh look another Redditor who thinks that only positive and uplifting opinions are allowed to be expressed.
So a force-sensitive youngster trains with an old and cynical former jedi at a remote location, and goes to help her friends and join the final battle of the film, where she'll find out a ~big secret~. "This isn't going to go the way you think" is "you must complete your training." Canto Bight is Cloud City.
Possibly. Maybe after that we dont see Luke again. This trilogy is about Kylo and Rey I think, so i wouldnt be surprised if they didnt do too much with Luke.
I really want to see Luke kick some serious butt though. He never really got the opportunity to do so in the OT b/c he was just barely a Jedi + the fighting was much more primitive back then (compared to PT). If you catch my drift.
It's possible that Luke abandons her because he's scared of her power. Or she says that line to Luke and the trailer is just making it look like she's talking to Kylo.
God I hope not. That would be a complete betrayal of the character. The thing with Luke was, no matter how hard the sith tried, no matter how tempting they were, Luke would never give in.
I bet Liea reaches out to Kylo with the force and speaks to him right as he's about to kill her. Heartstrings, prepare thy-selves.
bionix90 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:37:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think he either doesn't fire or the shot gets intercepted. I doubt they'll kill off Leia. Maybe make her retire, or something so that she is far less prominent in the story.
I would love if she could talk him out of it something Han couldn't do. As for Leia making it, I'm not so sure. I'm saying 70-30, she's killed. Leia could never be retired. She's not a quitter.
RIP Carrie Fischer. If she hadn't died, I doubt it would have gone the way the Trailer is pointing us, but I wager there's plenty of misdirection in the trailer. Also, it will be an epic moment, whichever way it goes.
But the trailer will drive all the people who wonder if Rey is a Skywalker completely up the wall.
So much good stuff... but then the fucking art design of the ships and stuff is a total let down... again. It's more freaking slightly revamped OT stuff, slightly different Mon Cala Crusier, Slightly Different AT-AT. So freaking boring. New ships and stuff were one of the things I always would look forward to in Star Wars the most. The art team for the ST has just immensely disappointed me so far.
TOGHeinz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:52:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hoping there aren't too many similarities to ESB. From a couple of quick shots.. we have ice creatures seeming to run under cover before a gate closes, bringing images of Hoth to mind (not so much the creatures, but the fact that they're ice-based and we have another gate hurrying up to close as they run underneath). We also have a line of Imperial walkers storming along, though here it is apparently an arid planet.
Also, Rey meets Snoke it looks like. Those images at the very end. Wonder how she gets out.. if she gets out.
20171245 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:55:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why is none talking about the cute screaming gerbil thing?
I know Disney is a big company and all, but did they seriously have to change Christmas by ten days?? Couldn't they just wait or leave it at Dec 15th?? Disney better at least send out letters if they plan on changing a national holiday.
What's wrong with them wanting to capitalize on a franchise if they continue to make good stories? Both Rogue One and Force Awakens were fantastic, so as far as I'm concerned, if the price for more good Star Wars movies is Disney making money on toys around Christmas, so be it. The won't get made if nobody can make money on it. It sucks, but that's just how capitalism works.
Oh don't get me wrong, I love capitalism. It's just the whole moving of Christmas to the 15th. The good book says it's on December 25th and that's when I'm gonna celebrate it kap slap it! Not gonna let big corporations say when the wise men showed up at the manger, no siree!
Rey falls to the dark side, and Snoke sees more power in her than Kylo Ren?
Kasuge ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:10:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
seems likely Kylo switches to the light, Rey goes to the dark, in a way it makes for a more dramatic story.
We know Rey already beat Kylo, we know she is incredible gifted, and basically achieves what she wants almost immediately. that makes for an incredible boring protagonist. where as Kylo isn't. Kylo has struggles, and this is shown, which means he has a much greater potential as a protagonist.
plus we all know Kylo has to get some redemption. and the first trailer kinda alluded to that, luke even says their is so much more to the light V Dark. if anything I can see Kylo being a grey force essentially. neither completely light, or dark. the perfect balance if you will.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:46:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But you know he's going to do something immensely badass at some point
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:49:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo and Stormtroopers arrive at Ach-To. The island has already been abandoned by Rey and Luke. Kylo and the troopers tear apart the whole island looking for the two Jedi and destroying all Jedi artifacts Luke has collected. They enter a room filled with holocrons. Kylo sends the troopers away. Kylo is alone and activates a holocron. A jedi appears and instructs about lightsaber techniques, Kylo opens another holocron and it is another random Jedi. Frustrated, he opens multiple holocrons at a time and there is nothing useful. He drops them all. One holocron pulls to him. He slowly lifts it and activates it. A jedi stands before him...
"My name is Anakin Skywalker..."๏ปฟ
I copy/pasted this from the YT top comments. I just thought you all would love this as much as I did.
I know the popular theory is Kylo goes good and Rey goes bad, but I just don't see redemption for Kylo after killing Leia. After killing Han, maybe. Big maybe. But both parents? Nahhhh, fuck that guy.
RomuRaf ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 10:43:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well to be perfectly honest, and this is just my opinion, since Carrie has passed it would make sense for her to be written out. Not to mention it adds to Ben's character development making it harder for him to come back.
RomuRaf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I guess I was a bit harsh with "no reason", but it's just that I don't think we can conclude anything from trailer like that. It's possible, but I don't think the trailer made it any more likely than not. In fact, it gave me the feeling where it could be a possible turning back point. Although all of that could be misdirection as well.
This entire thread is speculation, so I'm speculating. It also looks like he smashed his helmet, given that it makes no appearance in the rest of the trailer. That could indicate a change of heart, perhaps.
RomuRaf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:10:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, no harm in that. Me too. I sort of replied to you in one of the other replies here...
Okay so Mark Hamill is using the EXACT same voice he used for Master Eraqus in Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep, which is basically a retelling of Revenge of the Sith, and he's basically the Obi-Wan of that game. And the main character Terra is Anakin.
Sooooo this is getting weird. Very very spoopy.
I'm actually really excited for the movie even though I didn't love TFA (and Star Wars is my all time favorite series) Rogue One was amazing though. (7 was definitely still a very good movie, I just ended up not loving it as much as I hoped.)
But I'm glad because I love the characters in 7, I just don't like Abrams directing style much these days. It also felt like he played it so so safe. However, Rian Johnson is an incredible director and I'm psyched.
_Ardhan_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:06:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Prediction:
Luke will reject Rey as an apprentice, out of fear for her power and him training another failure. During their argument about this, Luke will say something along the lines of "Why do you think I left you on Jakku?!" and reveal that he is Rey's father. The realization that her father left her to rot on Jakku will lead to an angry outburst where Rey will declare that in order to find the balance between the light and the dark (which seems to be the theme) she will seek out another teacher, giving us the scene where Luke is lying on the ground and saying "this will not go the way you think".
Galifrae ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:19:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Once again, ladies and gentleman; don't trust the trailer. There's a golden rule in trailers, especially when it comes to these kinds of movies where everyone will be picking it apart, and that is to not show anything obvious. I don't think Kylo will kill his mom. I think that's who he is reaching his hand out to in the fire and rubble, maybe after putting her ship out of commission he lands and takes her somewhere safe to live out her days in exile, who knows. But, I don't think they'd just tease that moment in the trailer, it's too big. Also, notice how the backgrounds for Rey and Kylo are wildly different in those scenes, there's no way it's her he's reaching out to. Also, that's definitely Rey talking to Luke somewhere near the beginning of the movie when he refuses to train her. I think we might honestly see a crazy Luke in this, who might die doing some kind of redemption thing. I honestly think he might attack Rey at some point, but she won't kill him.
Also, at this point I don't think Snoke is anyone we know, or have known.
I'm a little worried about this trailer. At the risk of sounding hot takey, and before I forget, please indulge me while I jot down my thoughts extemporaneously.
I don't know why all the subterfuge, it makes me nervous when trailers are purposely obfuscatory.
Snoke is obviously referring to Rey at the beginning (presumably as part of his conversation with her in the trailer's penultimate scene where Rey is being sort of blown/bent backwards). But he says he "found" her, which means he set all these events into motion. Which, if we follow logically (and jumping ahead a few steps) means a sort of arc reversal between Kylo and Rey is in play (as many of you have already pointed out). That will require some storytelling ninjitsu because nothing in Rey's character so far suggests she's capable of a heel turn, and I dunno, I'm just not buying Daisy Ridley as a villain, at least not in this role.
Working off of that assumption, if we are to believe Kylo is reaching out to Luke at the end, then Kylo is likely on the path to self-sacrifice, a la Vader, because it would be awfully tricky redeeming a character who was complicit in the destruction of an entire planet as well as first degree murder of his own father -- regardless of Adam Driver's charisma.
The whole thing seems disjointed, and not just because it's a trailer.
More than anything I'm troubled by Rey saying (paraphrasing): "Something inside me has always been there, and now it's awake." But, nuh uh. You (Rey) were as surprised as anyone by your power in TFA. So you can't retroactively say, "Oh yeah, something's always been in there, I've always known it, and now it's awake." And "I'm just trying to figure out my place in all this." You were a scavenger waiting for your parents like two weeks ago -- your most ambitious dream was having a family. Pump the brakes. That's lazy storytelling. Like, Walking Dead lazy.
Rey's power seems to be immense, especially if Luke a/o Snoke is referring to her "raw" and "untamed" power. If that's the case, and the source of her power is something that's going to require a whole backstory into the Force and how Rey is special by birth, I'll be extremely disappointed. For midichlorian reasons. There's a difference between fantasy/hyperrealism and straight-up magic. Ultimately, it seems like that's the path. That Snoke is related to Luke's research into these ancient Jedi texts and talismans and whatnot, and that Rey is in some way a function of that. And that the plotline is some deus ex machina Chosen One retread. Hope I'm wrong. Sorry so long.
assuser ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:08:27 on October 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
More than anything I'm troubled by Rey saying (paraphrasing): "Something inside me has always been there, and now it's awake." But, nuh uh. You (Rey) were as surprised as anyone by your power in TFA. So you can't retroactively say, "Oh yeah, something's always been in there, I've always known it, and now it's awake." And "I'm just trying to figure out my place in all this." You were a scavenger waiting for your parents like two weeks ago -- your most ambitious dream was having a family. Pump the brakes. That's lazy storytelling. Like, Walking Dead lazy.
Ok well after sifting through all these posts, this is something I'm just going to have to jump on.
But, yeah-uh. Something inside her was always there. She showed extraordinary talent as a scavenger. For direct evidence, she'd have the dreams about Ahch To, as per Kylo's mind reading, so she was already seeing the future through the Force but didn't know it at the time. She doesn't say to Luke she was consciously aware of what was there, just that something was always there. Which it was. It wasn't until she had that force vision, the conversation with Maz, the mini freakout, escaped a kidnapping and began fighting Kylo that she came to terms with reality. It's character development. This is like arguing it's bad writing for her to go from saying to Maz "I'm never touching that thing [the lightsaber] again", to later summoning it to fight Kylo. She said she's never touching it again but low and behold there she is touching it again. Bad writing?
The dialogue in that trailer just shows that Rey has a modicum of self-awareness. She's having this conversation with someone who two weeks ago she thought was just a myth. She let go of her delusion about her parents coming back (clearly a coping mechanism to aid her in surviving the harsh conditions of Jakku) and has started a new life. Throughout TFA we really saw the force awaken inside of her. It doesn't really get more on the nose than that.
First, I would dispute that she shows "extraordinary talent" as a scavenger. I'm not saying she isn't an extraordinary scavenger, but we don't exactly have a reliable barometer for this. For all we know, she's an average scavenger. Second, even if we concede she's an extraordinary scavenger, it's hardly support for her claim that something inside her has always been there and now it's awake.
In re: to her dreaming about Ahch-To, we don't know that she's never been there before; therefore, we can't assume that her dreaming about it constitutes precognition. Dreaming happens on the subconscious level. If she has been there before, her subconscious would remember it.
And yes, she does say to Luke something has always been there and now it's awake. But we are not shown that she believes this. Of course, we are shown that it's true, but we aren't shown that she has even considered it until she picks up the light saber; moreover, her reaction to what happens once she does pick up the lightsaber indicates that she's terrified and suggests she's never had such a Force-sensitive experience before.
Maybe throughout TLJ there will be information on the page that suggests as she was growing up, she acknowledges that something inside her has always been there. But based on the evidence, again, on the page, she was never aware of, nor did she display any such prowess.
Finally, your penultimate sentence is support for my point. You say: "Throughout TFA we really saw the force awaken inside of her." I agree with that. It awakened inside her during TFA. It wasn't always there. But to retcon the idea that she's always known, while providing evidence to the contrary throughout the first film, is, in fact, lazy storytelling.
assuser ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:55:24 on October 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well then you are arguing semantics. It was always there, now it's awake.
You'll note that I specifically laid out how she did not, she could not consciously know. Only in retrospect, once it had awakened, could she realize what was there all along.
Literally zero retconning. I call that lazy nitpicking.
You're arguing that she subconsciously knew it was there and I'm nitpicking? That's great if she knew it was there. But we were never shown that. It's not our job to decipher what is in characters' heads. It is the writer's job to creatively convey it, or at least give us enough to draw our own conclusions. And if, in TLJ, we see evidence that would lead us to draw the conclusion that "it" was always there, and it's skillfully done, I withdraw my objection.
Ultimately, the jury is still out. We know very little of Rey's past, so it's entirely possible that she has always known something was there and it just wasn't in TLJ.
I would point out that in my original post I was jotting down notes extemporaneously after one viewing of the trailer, and my position was just that I hope they don't retcon some sort of post facto, deus ex machina, magic-by-birth element to her character. I concede that I didn't make that clear since some of those thoughts were still just sort of half-formed.
BTW: This is probably the nerdiest conversation I've ever had with someone, and I love it. I think your points are valid, and I'd bet we agree on more than we wouldn't.
assuser ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:40:57 on October 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your line of defense is that she might have been to Ahch To already, therefore she might not have what is clearly a premonition. That's pretty thin.
She had 'raw' talent that was awakened throughout TFA. Maybe that doesn't jibe with you, but there's no fault with the writing there. I'm not an amateur film critic, I know what I'm talking about. The setup with Rey with regards to a sense of 'inner strenght' is fine.
I keep seeing so many posts about the "light side" as if it is a thing on the Star Wars Universe. However, even since before the prequels, it has been clear that there is no such thing as "the light side". There is "the force" and "the dark side of the force". Where in the movies has anyone ever mentioned "the light side"? My only guess is that is all video game BS from games like KOTOR where you can be a "light" or "dark" Jedi. Furthermore, what is this nonsense of a "gray Jedi"? What? Qui Gon Jinn was not a "gray Jedi"; some kind of mixture between a Jedi and a Sith? I understand that Jedi can be a mixture between good and bad, but that does not make them "gray Jedi". I just...some of this terminology being tossed around like they are actual terms is a bit absurd it would seem.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:46:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You haven't paid much attention to the movies or shows, have you?
I have. So, please, give me a scene that references "the light side". Go ahead. "The light" does not equate "light side" since everyone refers to it as the "dark side" rather than "the dark". Go ahead. Please
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:05:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Have you felt it? The dark side...and the light."
Repeating the word "side" would make for a clunky sentence.
Yet it has always been referred to it at "The Dark Side". Always. Regardless of how clunky it is. There is "the light" but "the force" is "the light". Not "the light side".
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:11:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thus an implicit light side. There're better things to try and argue about than explicit naming. -_-
But it is not trivial is Star Wars fans make up terms, use them in conversation as if they are actual terms, and then try to be defensive when told that the terms are not even real terms. That is absurd.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:22:05 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Light side is inferred when people say "the light". If someone wants to say "light side", let them. Who cares?
Show me in ALL of the Star Wars canon where it is referred to as the "light side". I can show you hundreds of cases for "darkside". Wonder why NO ONE has used it before?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:25:00 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You need a better hobby than being pedantic about Star Wars terms.
Not really. Everyone keeps arguing with me, failing to find evidence of there being a "light side", and then calling me pedantic and implying how sad I am for actually discussing Star Wars in a Star Wars sub.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:40:57 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is obviously a "light side", you're just arguing semantics which is pretty petty stuff.
Obviously? Show me a reference from the films, TV shows, or comic books that refer to "The Light Side". I can provide evidence from ALL forms of canon in which the "darkside" is referenced. For now, there is "the force (the light)" and the "darkside of the force". Go ahead.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:13:35 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you not understand implicit? Beyond that, if there's one side, there's another. It's not difficult. Anyway, I'm done with this. It's getting beyond sad.
Yes. There are "two sides". The "light" is THE FORCE and then there is a "darkside of the force". The movies even make this EXPLICITLY clear.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:39:34 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't believe how badly you're freaking out about soneone tacking "side" onto "light". No wonder people hate Star Wars fans. I can see you spazzing out on someone in public over this and it's hilarious.
The definition of being on "the spectrum" includes believing in nonsense and things that do not exist. Also, you have this weird tick of trying to defend positions whenever you have been shown countless facts to the contrary. Honestly, you know you have lost a debate when you continue to attack my intelligence and bring in absurd assumptions like I am autistic, stupid, or a moron. All I have asked from you is just ONE quote or reference to a "light side". You keep saying it is explicit, but why do every single property of Star Wars continue to avoid "light side" language when they explicitly refer to "darkside" language hundreds of times. All I want is the following - using the eight films, the animated film, Holiday Special, Clone Wars Cartoon, Rebels Cartoon, or ANY of the Disney Star Wars comic books, find a reference that mentions "the light side". Out of all of those forms of media, why has there not been a SINGLE mention of "the light side" when ALL of those properties mention "the darkside" in an explicit and consistent basis. That is all I ask. You have every single bit of the canon at your disposal. Just please, for the love of God, find a single reference to such a thing called "The Light Side". You can keep saying that it is implicitly mentioned, but I find it curious that if it exists in the way of a "side" that not a single form of media has referred to it as "the light side". That is all I ask. I will admit defeat and my misinterpretation of the entire concept of the Force if you can just find anything to suggest a "light side". Until then, it makes more sense to refer to the "force" and the darkside of the force.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:33:55 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No. I said it was "implicit". Reread. Also, holy fuck. Nice novel. You realize you're just proving my point over and over and over?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:37:56 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So, a "press junket" and a "running marathon" makes this canon? Digging at the bottom of the barrel here, man. Big time. Stick to the actual Star Wars films, books, comics, and television shows. I guess that means that any of the Star Wars theme park rides are canon too? Come on, now.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:12:21 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You said find any reference. Try reading the article. You also seem to be avoiding the fact that you've been trying to call me out on explicit references but that was never something I said.
You are right. That was a typo. I concede that point. My mistake. My entire point is that out of 8 films, hundreds of comics, hundreds of hours of cartoons, and thousands of pages of novels, there has still never been a reference to "the light side of the force". Even the article you referenced still holds the opinion that there is the dark side and the force.
Tell me I'm crazy, watch the trailer againg, eyes closed, luke says "I've seen this raw strength in you" once before, it didn't scare me then but it does now.
You<----how does he know you? He omg!! Says ive seen this in you before
I'm already thinking this is a rehash of empire strikes back. We'll just have to see.
CarterG4 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:33:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope not. Wishful thinking here: Force Awakens was just giving us some nostalgia so we can get back into the series, then episodes 8 and 9 will be something completely different.
I really hope so. Thus movies under a lot of pressure not to be another clone. "Rey, I am your brother" is a line I wouldn't be surprised Kylo would say.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:02:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When Luke was talking about seeing raw power like this once before he meant Dagobah swamp Dark side cave. There is probably a place with more raw power on Ahch-To island that he's reluctant to enter. He's been waiting on Rey.
Also salty dogs. Not ice.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:25:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm glad to see most of the Kylo shots are without the dumb helmet.
I hope they dump the Kylo tantrums, he just sounded like a 30 something version of whiny teenage Anakin. Adam Driver is a good actor (I enjoyed Patterson) but I think his performance in TFA was very wooden.
I hope they show Rey humbled somewhat. There was no dramatic tension with her previously, she could do no wrong. It would be nice to see a clear progression upward against some adversity. Otherwise she is as boring as Superman.
I'd rather they dump the Phasma character. Other than a really cool costume, she didn't do anything to merit further appeal. I understand the actress who plays her has some cult status because of game of thrones.......but so what?
I loved his character in TFA, if they had made him a carbon copy of Darth Vader, I would have rolled my eyes in the theater, but they pulled a genius move in making everyone in the film think he is just like Darth Vader when he was really just this dude trying to act tough but was really kind of pathetic
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:41:40 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To each their own.
He seemed like Anakin to me. People rightly criticized Anakin as a whiny brat - but at least it made some sense as he was a teenager in Ep II.........but Kylo is in his 30s, the tantrums just seemed sad.
In a way you are correct. TFA Kylo Ren and Clone Wars era Anakin are similar in the fact that they both strive for greater power. However, Kylo strives to become stronger out of some sort of entitlement. He feels he should be as strong and renouned as his grandfather and his uncle yet this behavior causes him to act childish and spoiled. Anakin sought to gain greater strength out of a flase obligation. He thought he needed to become stronger because everyone told him he was the "chosen one." This lead him to doubt himself and fear losing things he held dear which drove him to betray his own morals and friends.
Basically, they are both immature but in their own way. They have the same goal, to get stronger, but the reasons behind why they want those goals are completely different.
grackula ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:19:33 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo did a better Anakin than Anakin did if you get my meaning
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:40:42 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I disagree, I think fans aren't being logically honest.
ha7on ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:50:15 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dump iconic helmet? Okay.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:27:45 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iconic?? To who?
I've never heard anyone call Kylo's helmet "iconic". That's a joke, right?
Vader's helmet is iconic. Boba Fett's helmet is iconic.
You need to learn what iconic means. I think the word you're looking for is "derivative".
ha7on ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:37:15 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 02:50:00 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You were downvoted but I agree almost completely. His helmet is not iconic rofl, it's been seen in 1 movie...
He was also the weakest villain I've ever seen, I mean WOW he stopped a blaster bolt. Big fucking deal. Vader straight stopped one with his hand. Yoda damn absorbed pure force lightning.
Say what you want about him being weak from the blaster bolt but the guy got beat by two complete noobs. Hell one literally just found out that exact day she was even force sensitive. I'm sorry but Kylo is pathetic.
Anakin and others got entire limbs chopped off and still kicked ass.
Did it ever occur to you that Kylo is not meant to be this diabolical super villain, and instead he is a scared, angry and confused young man who is unsure of his place in the world?
This trilogy is about the young characters, rey, finn, kylo, finding their purpose outside of the shadow of the earlier generations, that they are resisting the destinies that others have forced on them.
Yes that occurred to me but then I felt like that would just be kind of stupid. Iโm not saying you or your thought is stupid! Iโm saying that writing kind of would be.
Think about it, if he isnโt some super villain then where does the conflict or actual danger come from? Luke is supposed to be the ultimate Jedi ever right? Him or anakin. So why doesnโt he just smack him down?
Also admittedly it was kind of cool how he stopped that blaster bolt. The first time we see him he looks bad ass, do you personally think the way he was introduced wasnโt meant to show him as a super villain? I did, I just think he got weaker and weaker as the movie went on.
I think the first time we meet him, we are supposed to think that he is a supervillain, yes. But as the film unfolds, we learn more about his character and we see that he is a 'fake'. He isn't as evil as he makes out to be; he feels the call to the light - he wants to be good but he feels like he needs to be evil if he wants to be as powerful as he thinks he should be (being the grandson of Darth Vader). This fills him with torment and despair, ultimately culminating in him murdering his father. But it doesn't bring him the power he craves - he's defeated by an untrained desert scavenger. What will this to do his self-esteem? How will he come back from this?
Personally, I find this infinitely more interesting than your generic, over powered super villain. The Emperor was a cool villain, but all he was motivated by was the desire to be evil. Darth Vader was a much more interesting villain as he had conflict within him - he had baggage, a dead wife, children he didn't know about. There was still good in him deep down.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:57:16 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iโve commented on this so many times, I may as well just make it a midnight comment:
Rey being even remotely on the same level as Luke or Anakin would ruin the movie for me. Itโs always been pretty obvious that after Order 66 a lot of knowledge was lost, and even Yoda was unsure if it was possible for someone to be born through the force. Thereโs no way Snoke or Sidious made her, and if they use the same โThe midiclorians did itโ from Phantom Iโm going to be pissed.
A few things I think will happen
Rey and Kylo swap
Somebody becomes a Grey Jedi
Luke is revealed to be a Grey Jedi
Snoke is revealed to have been the equivalent of Mara Jade (Emperors Hand) but for force power (Emperors Eye? Head? Mind?)
Snoke is getting knowledge from a Sith Holocron
(This is stuff I personally want)
6. Luke bring Han back (maybe using the Holocron)
7. Boba Fett or a Fett descendant
8. ANYTHING to do with Revan. I thought thatโs what Kylos mask was originally, and I still want it.
A BOBA FETT MOVIE
A REVAN MOVIE
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 04:37:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously one of the cringiest "want" lists I've seen in a while. Prepare to be disappointed.
Yeah ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
Iโm a huge fan of the books, so when Disney made them non canonical it made me kind of worried. As far as Iโm aware, there has been no Revan references in the new canon yet so idk if heโs even counted as canon anymore. And he is probably my favorite force user.
There kind of has actually. Lots of Old Republic stuff from KoToR/ToR in Rebels. And in the Obi-Wan and Anakin mini series they're shown a hologram of a Sith shrouded in shows who looks VERY Revan like.
-I'm very intrigued to see if Rey and Kylo actually team up, that would be super interesting
-Was that a turbo booster on an X-Wing?
-Cant wait for the breakdown videos
-Definitely like the tone and direction they're going, it doesn't look straightforward
WOW. The Flacon flying through that cavern with all the crystals was incredible. Also did not expect a Finn vs Phasma fight but I love it.
I suspect that in some ways Luke is using Rey to โwin backโ Kylo, as it seems Benโs falling out with Luke will be a key piece of the story. Overall looks super impressive and probably will be the most visually stunning Star Wars film.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Way to get karma is kill both your parents....great....
haftor1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What a fucking roller coaster of emotions
Fro_Zone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm glad they're showing Rey's temptation of the Dark Side. That shot with Kylo extending his hand and Snoke using the force on Rey says it all. I really hope Anakin's ghost plays a role in her temptation as well.
ZebZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
SQUEEE!
Roxlvox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have a feeling nothing was really spoiled and itโs all just editing to make it look that way. Disney isnโt stupid enough to pull a Batman v Superman and spoil the movie before it release
Kylo extends his hand, but Rey expresses her wish to understand the force to him as well. So I'm assuming Kylo wants her on his (dark) side. That can't be what happens, though. Gotta be a twist right after that moment.
I'd guess that Luke was referring to Vader. I don't think they've given us any indication that Kylo is supposed to be as powerful as Vader was, and I don't think Luke was every truly appreciative of how powerful Vader was in comparison to himself because he was generally hoped up on his own self-importance during most of the original trilogy.
anyone else getting deeply concerned that this is just a much a copy of empire as a force awakens was of a new hope? the parallels from what can be seen in the trailers are astounding
You can tell Disney is halfway afraid to try something new, lest their creation may face criticism in the same vein as the prequels. They'll play it safe and won't deviate too far from the formula that made the OT iconic. Their rehash and throwbacks will invoke the nostalgia in the older fans, while the newer generation enjoys all the bells and whistles that come with 40 years of technological advancement. Empire 2.0 will be a hit.
Definitely a lot of reveals about where certain characters go/end up later on in the film as well as some scenes that you can pretty much make out what happens. I lot of misleading scene combinations too though, it seems like.
Vanlande ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:07:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She will probably go out in her own way, doing something special.
vhiran ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:22:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
prob not, he was blasting away at the ship until they seemed to connect and he immediately hesitated a nd has a mini-freakout. Seems like until that moment he wasn't even aware she was on it.
Despite the voiceovers of 'kill the past if you have to' we don't know who he's talking to, and he is the one character who never seems to believe what he's selling anyway.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man, snoke looks like a nutsack with eyes.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just realised ESPN Australia was the first place to show the trailer in Australia at 1pm during a sporting match of a sport most people in the country donโt care about. I assume most Australians didnโt tune in especially with how few people own Foxtel these days.
noshato ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm so fucking excited! Going to re-watch over and over tonight.
Because we aren't going to get it man. Luke isn't gonna whip out his lightsaber they are making Rey the hero.
Just sucks we have 30 years of the strongest Jedi ever and he is afraid and lacks confidence. So he's weak. Hopefully we see a Luke in action. No one should be able to stop him.
Anyone else notice how Kylo had that metal strip on his scar in the beginning of the trailer but not in his confrontation with Rey? Could mean something idk
Leia was supposed to also be in Episode IX. I highly doubt that they'd want to TFA Spoilers, but even if Kylo does kill Leia (which is highly unlikely), we don't know for sure if Leia can be a Force Ghost.
Going through and pausing to check out details now...
1) That AT-AT hangar is huuuuuuge! And there's an AT-ST!
2) New variants of AT-AT, and holy SHIT - they're twice the size of the ones we first saw on Hoth. There's a standard AT-AT in the midst of them and it's dwarfed.
3) The AT-STs are new variants, too, and there are also a LOT of them.
4) Rey meeting Snoke, damn! He's flanked by his praetorian guards.
5) The last shot of Kylo...no "carbon fiber" bandage on his facial scar. Hmm.
"I've seen this raw strength only once before. It didn't scare me enough then. It does now."
nymarya_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So that weird vision when Rey touches Luke's lightsaber in FA was that the same scene that Kylo was with R2?? And Luke said he knew her before??? Soo she was training with him before Kylo turned bad???
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man so tired of this head fuckery. Just make a trailer that isnโt designed to make me think it gave away plot details. Now Iโm gonna be fucked for the next two months covering my ears so that I donโt find any โdetailed explanationโ of what we saw. Glad everyone else enjoyed the trailer though. I should have just not watched it and been happy with myself like a good little JJ Abrams
xT1DE ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
trailer got me dumb hyped i think this will be really good
Seriously. Should I watch the trailer? I'm afraid of ruining the movie for myself 2 months out.
joemc72 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:19:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The trailer is almost entirely new footage. I personally didnโt think it gave away any plot points though. Lots of misdirection though with the editing.
I just have a feeling that Kylo and Rey will team up against Snoke. Vader went evil in the older films, so it would make sense to have evil come back to good in the new films.
Perhaps the "tattoo" that Kylo has over his scar is after he became good? He was just flying a different fighter trying to shoot down that TIE that was shown in the trailer.
Remember, Star Wars trailers are to be taken with a grain of salt!
Mastacon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:13:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who is speaking at the start of the trailer?
joemc72 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:17:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I canโt wait for the inevitable โLooks like the Empire Strikes Backโ comments. This was an amazing trailer and Iโm more hyped for this movie than I was an hour ago.
iStrigoi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:15:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seems like Kylos scar is closing up throughout the movie? Beginning of the trailer we see some kind of fiber over the scar, but last scene itโs gone.
MrShago ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:15:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope the line about "not going to end the way you think" isn't that characters last line. Seems like they're down/defeated in that scene...
Unless, flashback?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:15:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So watch or no? I donโt mind minor spoilers but people are freaking out and the prod team literally said donโt watch if you are already going to see the film.
Jtneagle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:22:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They cut it before he does it, could easily have a change of heart. Also, Carrie Fischer is dead in real life, she won't appear in the next one whether she dies in this one or not
Definitely think the Kylo/Leia moment is a misdirection, right before when he breaks the wall, Kylo has the same carbon fiber band-aid on his face. I think he might have the chance to do something, but doesn't and then gets angsty that he didn't.
Gasrim ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:18:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure that I'm happy with where I feel they're going with Luke.
Quick analysis... Kylo Ren sticking his had out to Rey at the end? That scar on his face isnt the same as whatever it is on his face when he is in the ship about to fire on Leia. Maybe the ending is just a dream sequence or something. Looks to me like Luke starts to train her but changes his mind, and maybe she talks to Kylo Ren through telepathy or something. Also, it looks like Luke never leaves the island...so seeing Luke kicking ass doesnt appear to be in the cards.
Lighting was way off, if it's actually that scene then it's terribly done. there were way too many points of light behind Kylo for there to be one tone on her face.
Before I watch, can someone who has seen it please give an idea of how spoilerific the trailer is? Canโt decide if I want to watch it or save myself for the film!
MakVolci ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:19:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For all the talk about Luke being bad, he seems to be the only one in the trailer that I know is good. But that could be a misdirection too. I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO BELIEVE.
I hope this hits home the point to all the people complaining about how "Muh Rey was too OP" and Rey was too untrained to be able to pull off the things she did. That is literally the entire point. The Force Awakens is in reference to Rey's powers awakening to a supreme, potentially terrifying new level.
In light of the director's comments about not watching this trailer if you want to go in completely clean, can anyone who's watched it weigh in on how spoilery it is?
It sounded like he might be saying "It's not a big deal, but avoid it if you're a purist", in which case I'm fine with watching it, but I'd like to hear thoughts from people who've watched it.
There are lots of things i never expected to see but honestly i think it's all misdirection to be honest. It's also one of the best movie trailers i've ever seen and possibly the best Star Wars trailer ever.
I wouldn't worry too much plus there's another two months until the film is out anyway.
Fair enough. I sort of expect it will be impossible to avoid the trailer and/or mention of the things in it anyway, unless I start living under a rock. Thanks for the reply :)
Edit: Yeah having watched it now I feel like there's nothing in there that is a spoiler, assuming you take the way trailers are cut together with a grain of salt. No single shot contains a crazy reveal I wish was saved for the theater.
Because of Force Awakens, I went into the trailer looking for Empire similarities.
So far as I can tell there are two major similarities suggested:
The temptation of an apprentice frustrated with their master(s) toward the other side
The development of the previous film's antagonist towards a more sympathetic character, possibly becoming a mentor.
The first seems like clear misdirection, but the second seems pretty much a given, right down to an outreached hand that seems to say "Join me."
Also, I love seeing Rey's main character flaw develop, this compulsive need for guidance which stems from her parents' disappearance. We saw her get burned with Han, so the thing with Luke is JUST enough to suggest she might actually be tempted.
HOLY CRAP!!!!! THAT WAS AMAZING!!!!! So much to take it! First off, I don't think that Rey is actually talking to Kylo at the end, but rather Luke. So interesting that Rey and Snoke will meet in person. Wonder what Luke is talking about when he says he's only ever seen this kind of raw power once before. Could Rey actually be the Chosen One reincarnated??
Rey and Kylo reject their respective masters and decide, independently, to train in both sides of the force. The last scene of the trailer is a misdirection but points at where we are going to end up, with both of them headed towards the same point. Whether they team up in this film or the next I'm not sure, but I have a feeling they are both going to end up working together to fully understand the force in the end.
Kind of wish I didn't watch this trailer. They showed way way way too much for my liking. But god does it look amazing
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:21:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aaannnd now I want Rey to be seduced by the dark side and Kylo to learn the error in his ways and be pulled back to the light, ya know pull a switcharoo
The song that plays as Rey is cracking the ground sounds very similar to something from The Force Unleashed.
Is it from another Star Wars movie or should I get excited about OP force powers?
I feel like I'm in the minority because I actually didn't really like this trailer. I liked the first one better, but I do know I like a little subtly more than everything kind of being thrown at me. I dunno, I felt like this trailer was really pushing something at me.
It was okay.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:36:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm with you. Felt the first was much better
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:25:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At-At porn!
bionix90 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:30:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let's be real those will never end lol can't we just have a bad guy that we hate but we feel sorry for ? Idk I mean I wouldn't be mad if he redeemed himself but I don't necessarily want it
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:39:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bro, Disney. Kylo killed his dad. Ainโt no redemption after that
Now I think I over invested into the trailer as I am not blown away, But I got my Thursday tickets and me and father in law Star Wars tradition continues.
Looks absolutely incredible, but I feel like a lot of red herrings here, don't think Rey is asking Kylo for help or anything. I'm done watching trailers till the movie come out ๐
Aaa, it looks so nice, but there's something about the sound or how they're speaking and I can't understand most of what's said (hearing impaired). I hope subtitles get added soon ;;
Damn, the intensity in this trailer was captured so well. Feels like more of a story and character development than the Force Awakens - not trashing TFA, just felt like there were too many nods to ANH and not enough of it's own movie.
MakVolci ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:38:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It looks like Luke decides to train Rey who catches on a bit too well. Kylo is still up to his evil doings. Poe has an idea of how to crush the First Order. Finn looks like he has a climatic encounter during his own adventure. Rey seems to be torn.
We have Star Wars universes version of Direwolves. Fucking Ice Wolves man. Holy Crap.
Snoke using his powers? Yo.
Finn vs Phasma? We're actually getting a fight we should have gotten in the last one? By the Gods the creators DO listen to fan service.
Luke sounds weird as hell and I love it.
Is Kylo gonna kill Mummy? Or is she gonna die off-screen? My money is on Leia actually dying by the end of this and revealing she was never coming back in IX. That's only if she dies onscreen. Offscreen and yeh, the wonders of technical magic and editing and visual effects.
This trailer was awesome. The whole feel is different. It doesn't feel like a Star Wars movie at all. It feel unique and new. The atmosphere and cinematography all around is just cool.
I haven't watched it yet because of Rian Johnson and someone else telling me the trailer reveals too much. Can someone tell me whether the trailer is too revealing of the plot?
If you donโt think itโs misdirection, which I do, then yes.
Ps. I say this regretting not having the will power to not watch, I tried.
-BMP- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:37:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think there is a lot of misdirection. But could also be a ton of spoilers. I think itโs worth watching. Amazing trailer.
EzzenTv ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:51:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It reveals a lot but leaves a lot unanswered. We will probably end up with a thousand theories that will all be wrong. But there is still plenty of things that you wont truly know until the movie.
I wonder if Luke doesn't really help her. Like he does to am extent but then kind of refuses to join with her. At that point, she'll lose her path and go to the dark side (temporarily).
Anyone think Rey and Luke fight? From the scene I saw at the end where Rey is standing across from luke. and then when heโs saying โthis wont end how you thinkโ he is in the same area wearing the same cloak. Maybe he tries to destroy Rey before she can be seduced by the dark side? Or itโs a dark side Luke vision?
vhiran ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:51:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
imagine if luke went to immediately take on the emperor after hanging around yoda for a little while.
I watched it once and now im going to avoid all trailers, sneak peaks, leaks, anything until the movie comes out. Not even going to re watch the trailer.
hakoreh1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:41:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I don't want any major spoilers do I watch the trailer?
Minor spoilers for those worried, but a lot of it feels like misdirection and fake-outs. Good look at Snoke, the new walkers, and Kylo's TIE in action, but take every scene and voiceover with a grain of salt
kmoros ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:42:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My onnnnly concern is the ESB parallels.
Rey looks gung ho bout going to fight snoke/kylo while luke seems to be saying "no stupid you arent gonna win".
...a la luke and yoda in ESB.
Hope thats misdirection and this branches off from ESB.
vhiran ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:44:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well at least we know what would have happened if Luke immediately went to face off against the emperor after hanging around yoda for a little bit in ESB.
just a terrible idea. I guess Kylo may very well be the last jedi if he returns to the light.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:45:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not going to. They are remaking the original trilogy.
kmoros ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:51:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Given his prior work Id like to think Rian Johnson is gonna subvert expectations. Buy disney may have him on a tight leash
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:07:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was a little taken back by the trailer. There is a huge battle on a barren planet with giant walkers. The Rebels need a new base after the planets were destroyed. Rey leaves her master to fight some battle she isn't ready for yet. Much in the same way Luke left Yoda before he was able to finish his training. We are even introduced to Snoke little by little the same way The Emperor was introduced. If we go back to Cloud City to discover where this light saber came from, I might lose my mind.
I'm not saying it's going to be a total remake, but based on what I saw in the trailer, it's going to be the Empire Strikes Back 2. It's going to be awesome. But it's going to be as similar to ESB as TFA was to ANH. I really hope it's more original than what they were showing us.
The ending with Kylo and Rey is obviously a red herring, but I;m not sure what for... Are we supposed to be thinking that Rey is turning to the dark side, or that Kylo is turning to the light side? I expected that to happen in ep 9.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:43:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:44:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right we see Ben holding out his hand to who we assume is rey, possible. Lets get the timeline down in terms of events. During the scene where we see the Silencer attacking what I assume is Home One, i mean come on he's talking about the past and to kill it; while this could be referencing the obvious Leia being on the ship. Now When it shows Ben in the ship he has a type of tape over his scar probably some type of bandage; later we see him without it. Now we know that the film will be beginning immediately where TFA left off we can say that the scene with the bandage and Silencer takes place Really early in the film. While Ben holding his hand out takes place mid to late film. Now, we see look breaking out of rubble as he states hes seen this power before and it didn't scare him, but now it does; this could allude to Ben falling and destroying his Academy so hence why he is afraid of that power now. Maybe with his hand breaking through rubble it could be a flashback to the academy's destruction or could be part of an actual fight scene.
I don't think a trailer has ever legitimately made me tear up but that sequence when Kylo is about to kill Leia got me so hard. I'm so excited for this movie AND I was lucky enough to get my IMAX tickets. Can't wait!
ExacRan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:49:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, I will not watch the trailer, I just want to know what you guys are thinking about the movie after watching the trailer, wothout telling me what th trailer had. Are you more hyped? Less hyped? Worried? That kind of thing.
No it was snoke was the emperor type figure and Benicio was the next in command, who also happens to be a sith type. It was originally speculated that in TFA when Snoke told Kylo it was time to finish his training, that it would be with benicio's character
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:53:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel you. I do want them to make him a bigger player in the Resistance. He seemed like kind of a lucky loser in 7, when he should be a total badass.
Worst part is that on one side I'm now hyper hyped, so now the wait is even worse, and it'll be even worse with my mind going into intense speculation mode.
The initial shot of Kylo standing in the bridge of that ship in what looked like some kind of shipyard was awesome. As well as, the shot of his shuttle hovering over the Gorilla Walkers.
Crazy theory: I think Snoke is talking to Kylo about Rey in the beginning of the trailer. He orders Kylo to bring Rey to him. Kylo is pissed because he is being passed up because Snoke tells him his past is still holding him back, hence the need to kill Leia, etc. He won't be able to do it and he'll realize he isn't capable to letting go of all ties. Coincidentally, Luke refuses to train Rey, she leaves to go back to the Resistance. Gets caught or willingly goes. Rey gets seduced by the Dark Side. Kylo escapes with his life, realizes he was being used. Pt. 3: Redemption. Rey vs. Kylo and The Knights of Ren.
zidapi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:02:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Getting serious Empire Strikes Back vibes from the AT-ATs and the master & apprentice training session. Don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing.
i've been replaying knights of the old republic 2. theres alot of talk about last jedi's. i feel it appropriate to name my character rey but then again, it's only fun to do sith shit.
Jbird_87 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:14:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For all those complaining and predicting there will be ESB parallels. I really donโt think Rian Johnson would blatantly do that. I understand with the Jedi training and the walkers itโs hard to argue against it, but he just doesnโt seem like the type of filmmaker to rehash ESB. Especially with the backlash from TFA
myhihi1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:15:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't expect Kylo would be hunting down his mother, that's pretty dark for Star Wars. I mean we know what he did last movie but that was in the moment and he didn't go out of his way to do it.
evenios ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:16:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i like the line "this is not going to go the way you think".. he didnt break the 4th wall then did he ;-). (though it would been more effective that way if he was looking at the camera when saying so) lol
Interestingly I don't recall seeing anything from Canto Bight in this trailer, which has been a rather large percentage of what we knew about VIII up to this point.
KillaOR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:19:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My potential theory on how this all turns out.
Luke hasnt felt that kindof power since he attempted to train Kylo, the hand reaching up out of the flames is Luke when Kylo tried to kill him and all the others he was training and what not, Luke is gonna be scared to train Rey, this fear will turn to anger in some way, Rey will get angry because luke will be hesistant to train him, she will go seeking answers and find snoke who is more than willing to convert her, ben will be not happy with the answers he finds, both on his personal journey and the journey to be more like vader, and he will turn to his own sort of good side, and him and rey will have a big fight and he will turn her back to the good side, because either Rey joins snoke unwillingly or willingly for a short period (maybe she gets her mind confused idk), and then the movie will end, and the last movie will be all about destroying snoke and rey and kylo will get happily married and boom it's all ogre BAM
Whenever TFA came out, I had a theory that Rey & Kylo Ren could either swap places or Rey would be swayed by the dark side. This trailer is probably 90% misdirection since Luke himself says โthis wonโt end like you thinkโ but I have to admit itโd be incredible to see Disney take such a huge narrative & character risk.
They already proved with Rogue One that theyโre capable of gutsy endings and twists so itโd be amazing to see them really smash the mold of films like this and take it in a direction no one expects. Maybe Iโm being too optimistic but still.
ovodbo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:21:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo Ren is fully engulfed with the Dark Side, about to strike down another main character this time without hesitation when suddenly thereโs a blinding flash of light...
None other than Anakin Skywalker appears before him, giving a stark warning of the path heโs on before Anakinโs Ghost painfully transforms into Darth Vader (like TFA concept)
Kylo Ren stands there in disbelief, unable to process what just occurred and in this split second of hesitation the heroes to narrowly escape. End of film
Ok ok I figured it out. Kylo actually turns to the light then she asks him for help to find her part in this oh boy did they get us, she doesnโt go Rogue he does.
Did anyone notice Luke seems to be a lot more cybernetic then just his hand in one of the shots from the trailer? Either up to his shoulder or its some kind of new outfit
If after this movie Kylo and Rey team up to be bad then I hope the last film features a fight that is Luke v. Kylo and Rey, mimicking the Darth Maul v. Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan fight.
I feel like there maybe a spoiler in the trailer with the Leia scene. The first Leia is obviously Carrie Fisher as she is staring at what seems to be Kylo getting ready to kill her but the second scene she appears in you can tell it's the CGI version of her. This let's us know he does not follow through.
It doesn't show her surviving. Her death/survival is meant to be ambiguous.
However, a lot of fans loved the character and didn't think she got nearly enough attention. It seems that they want to show that she is back in a big way, and will be a bigger villain than "the big chrome storm trooper who got tossed in the trash".
She deserved better.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:56:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not shown in movie. Itโs implied in the movie because that is what happened to the original trio. And then there was a Phasma comic that explained what happened to her during the attack.
Don't have enough words to say, but GOD this trailer was amazing! As many said editing must be misleading for us to speculate more theories and try to predict more things but I am pretty hyped for this movie!
Side note: Would be even more hyped if it weren't for my headache. Fuck this. Ruined my experience watching the trailer.
ALSO, I think we can expect Crait to be a very important planet and The Battle of Crait to be a pivotal moment for both sides.
Last 30 seconds seems kinda spoilery with rey meeting snoke and the alliance kinda thing with kylo and rey... idk how i feel about this trailer to be honest.
Ok, C3PO, and R2D2 are being replaced by a summer time miniature penguin, who already happens to be in cahoots with the mighty Chewbacca... I don't know how I feel about that.
Anyone think it's weird Luke is wearing a dark robe? The movies are pretty consistent that heros wear light colors and villains (or soon to be villains) wear darker.
Return of the Jedi. Luke wears black exclusively (aside from his camo on Endor) for the whole film. Han wears black and dark blue primarily throughout his appearances. Sure, he has a white undershirt but the majority of his clothing is dark colors. Jyn and the rest of Rogue One wore dark colors as well.
When Luke chooses the light path, his shirt flap falls open to reveal the white inside. It's a pretty big symbolic moment of victory, and stays open all through the end of the movie.
Edit Here. The point of Luke wearing black through the whole movie is because we are meant to think he may turn dark, but after that confrontation with the Emperor, his white flap is showing.
Yup, in previous posts I've made comments about how he was on the brink of falling and pointed out the flap, in this case I was just responding to the "good guys only wear light colors" line
I'm trying to figure out why Mark Hamill would want us to pass on this. If everything is a misdirect then there's nothing really ruined, and they couldn't be dumb enough to actually spoil much, right?
There could be multiples of that class of shuttle within the first order though. Just like the emperor and Vader didnโt share the same Lambda class shuttle, it could be another baddie in there instead of Kylo.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:16:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe it's the vader castle we saw in rouge one. It's on mustafar. There is an ancient sith temple under it. Maybe he's looking for something. I hope it's mustafar.
HK-47b ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:43:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think Rey is going to be a gray jedi, there may have been some foreshadowing of this at around 2:00 minute based upon her clothing it being gray, and of course how she seemed to be confused as to whether or not she knows what she wants to do.
HK-47b ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:42:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:51:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly till this day I still believe Kylo wouldโve been better at playing a live action Pinocchio movie instead.
ksfvbuzz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:52:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs almost as though you donโt think like should be American. Itโs Kirk he should be Obi Wan. But no he doesnโt have that accent. Am I the only one intrigued by this.
I'm going to hope that Kylo slamming the helmet is his reaction to him killing Leia, with him saying let the past die referring to letting the dark side die, showing some actual regret.
More likely he's mad that he didn't have the strength to do it. He's frustrated because he thought killing Han would make his transition to the dark side complete. Killing his mother should have been easy if he was fully turned. When he realizes he can't kill his mom, that he didn't go full dark side when he killed Han, it infuriates him. His rage is further compounded by the nagging seed now planted in his head that he killed his father for nothing.
Damn that was a good trailer. Misdirection, didn't give much away, built hype and oh god it's only a few months away too!
euxneks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:04:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I donโt know whatโs going on, I donโt know whatโs going to happen, I donโt know what the movie will be about, and Iโm super excited for it. Great trailer. AA++ would watch again.
Edit:
Watched it a few times more to absorb the dialogue. Love Luke's "This isn't going the way you think", kind of addressing the audience at the same time. I guess the "general" audience won't see it, but the more I watch the trailer the more obvious it seems that we will indeed get something of a switcheroo (Kylo / Rey). Snoke is talking about Rey in the beginning there, the link being "raw power" also being mentioned by Luke; we see Kylo in several situations where he is struggling with his conscience indicating that he'll stray back toward the light; and we see Snoke and Rey actually being in the same room (which was the biggest surprise for me).
I also notice that the trailer doesn't have as many "money shots" as the Rogue One trailers (IMO), but not worried.
Also also, I noticed a regular classic Scout Walker (to the right in the shot of the assembled First Order forces in that hangar).
All right, crawled out of bed way too early to get my fix o' Star Wars. I kept stalling because I knew how it would screw up my brain for the rest of the day. But now..it is done. First round I sat there slackjawed trying to process it all. Second time I was better able to settle in and third time the analysis began. Here are my thoughts, while I'm still a bit rushed (but the hype kind of faded quickly, for reasons described below).
I'll get this one out of the way first, I know people are tired of hearing this particular topic, but it still seems like TLJ will have similar plot beats to ESB, however the visuals here are (with the exception of walkers and interior First Order design) so different that it may be easier to overlook this niggle.
Lots of great shots, cinematography looks top notch..except the CGI which for some reason lacks weight and looks cartoonish; a bit like TFA in that regard (I feel Rogue One's CGI sequences look better). I don't know, it's something about how for example Poe's X-Wing moves that I find hard to buy. Not a super big deal.
Opening shot; I just assumed this was Leia but it isn't her, it's her son. Kind of standing like Anakin there. But where? Aboard Snoke's flagship? Why does it look like rain on the windows? Anyone have any idea about this shot?
Shot 2: Walkers. Least favorite part for me. I just don't like them. Note a smaller, more regular looking walker (second to farthest away) and Kylo's shuttle.
Shot 3: Didn't someone no one believed leak info on this shot? It's basically a remake of the scene in RotS where Anakin marched into the Jedi temple. Here we have Kylo march in with his troopers. Into the cave on Atchoo with the books, I assume. Kylo invading Luke's island confirmed; nods to prequels confirmed.
Kylo picking up the saber. Neat.
Rey firing up saber. For some reason these outdoor shots of her on Atchoo feel like they are from another film. There's such a contrast, maybe because these shots are less cluttered with no CGI. She looks great, love her.
Luke takes the saber. Great stuff, love it. Simple but gives me the feels. Luke's technohand looks awesome here..but the shot where he looks up at her..he looks a bit weird there, but I guess the emotion here is "WTF?"
Rey entering this film's version of the cave on Dagobah. Two stumps look lightning-wracked. I don't know how to feel about this potential plot beats from ESB, I hope it will be different enough in TLJ to avoid mental frustration.
Rey sees books. Could she discover them before Luke? Maybe he has been searching and here comes this young upstart and finds it right away, the Force being with her a lot and all.
Training shots. Different.. unusual angles..lighting may suggest the Dark Side is not far away from Rey..
Luke surprised (and looking a little weird again) as stone cracks open when Rey employs the Force. Is she a destructive force more than we thought? Luke has seen such raw power only once before.. which must mean the emperor, Yoda or Vader. I assume Vader, further linking Rey to the Dark Side? Maybe... Shit.
Luke's hand shoots out from pile of rubble. So there was some blast burying him. Probably a "now" sequence (after Kylo has arrived to hear the place down). Next shot is the "classic" temple burning similar to TFA, so it is relevant - but it could be part of the film's timeline (and thus a future vision when we saw it in TFA!) After all, R2 is on the island and Rian specifically wanted R2 there. So he may twist the timing of this shot.
And while Rey is nudging toward the dark (maybe), Kylo seems to have regrets. Looks at his helmet and trashes it.. lots of emotion in those eyes, not the cold Dark Side. Immediately followed by him having the opportunity to blast his mother's starship.. nice sequence.. my guess is he won't do it, of course, because the light pulls him...but it would be easy to have him shoot the ship, it explodes, and Leia is out of the series (I know it doesn't work because this is supposedly near the beginning).
Love the shots of Ben in the cockpit. Reminiscent of Vader, vaguely.
Chewie and the Porg: I'm amused. Niggle: Something about Chewie's eyes feels wrong.
Poe feels properly a hero in his shots.
Finn vs Phasma: yeah it looks great but feel this should have been the scene in TFA, now it feels repetitive. Love the close-up on Phasma with the lighting etc.
BB-8 gets fried. I dunno... he's not as big a presence this time around, so far anyway, and I think that is fine. R2 for the win. This shot felt too prequel-like for my taste, but it's short and quick so.mmeh
Luke in the rain.. he really sounds like young Luke there, love it.
Crystal dogs: Nice fresh detail. Fleeing the approaching walkers?
Rey clambers up from pool. Probably part of the dark side cave thing scene. What did she meet? Kylo with half a mask, hiding her half of the face?
Close up Snoke; yes! While I'm still unhappy with the design, he now looks real and "good". I believe in the character more here. Getting more curious about him.
And then..Rey bent backward, screaming in pain, and yup it's Snoke standing behind her, doing this to her. You can see his throne too and the red wall where Kylo picks up his saber. So, like someone else said here, shit, what if Kylo joins his mom and Rey joins Snoke. That would indeed be very unpredictable and support actors' statements about Rian taking the story in unexpected directions. It would also explain the focus on Rey not feeling that she belongs, her rough upbringing etc. It's prep for making her.. change.. more believable. Maybe.
last shot of Rey / Kylo: Definitely two different scenes stitched together to bewilder the audience. A very interesting choice none the less
Ultimately it matters not since the fire and ash shows us that it's the same scene as well as the general posture of Kylo in the shot.
But he is not wearing a different top. The line down the middle coordinates with the shots seen of him in his Tie Silencer, which also matches with the pattern on his shoulders.
joyko123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:17:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think itโs super safe to say that Kylo DOES NOT pull the trigger on his Mommy
Proof: the carbon-bandaid scar has to be a carryover move from TFA (that scene of him flying his TIE is most likely in the beginning of TLJ). Leia is on the ship, seems they are speaking to each other through the force.. Kylo does not pull trigger.
then, Bandaid has healed Kylo. Leia makes it to Crait which I think we know that scene will take place at the end of the movie as an awesome finish? Leia has that look of not surviving this one
Flipside: these scenes are reversed and Kylo chases Leia off Crait in the beginning of the movie then kills her as she tryโs to flee.
When I watched the section where luke says 'i wasn't afraid of it then I am now' I assumed at first it meant when he trained kylo ren, but in rtoj he tells Vader that he's not afraid.
Basically what if kylo was powerful, assumed the new chosen one, but instead luke realises Rey is as powerful as Vader and he's now afraid as Rey has equalled/ supparrsed that power.
Seen a few threads linking it to the speech from empire that Yoda gives Luke which would be cool and would mean that you're right about Luke talking about the dark side.
Probably won't be left to interpretation after the film but I'm excited to see the relevance of the Vader helmet and how they link that into the new film above it just being a bit of context for the conflict in Kylo.
Mackaf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:59:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well ya gotta think about lukes mindset. His student went dark and killed everyone and luke ran from it. It cracked his mind and his view on the Jedi because he wasnt strong enough to keep the light without he himself going dark
RomuRaf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:45:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure. I like the scene with Leia and Kylo, and the acting overall seems good. But I'm not sure, felt like from the get go with the voice over didn't seem to excite me in terms of writing. Also not a huge fan of the new feel of Luke, but we'll see how it ends up being in the film. There are several things at the moment that just do not work for me very well, which is probably hindering all of it in my eyes.
I was never sold on the Phasma Finn thing, and Phasma just in general was awful in TFA and so it's a bit weird to me that she is even back. I also kind of see the path of ESB here for Rey. Train with a master, go to face the enemy too early (Snoke I guess here). Maybe here she is actually turned, but still, it's a bit too familiar for now. Then there's the AT-AT thing on a ground assault. But like I said, we'll see. At least it's another SW story to see.
Also, I hope Kylo will turn back to the light side while Rey perhaps flips to the dark. That would be somewhat interesting. I'd like to see Luke more himself and less gritty ptsd type. It also feels like he might be the least powerful with the force of all these characters here, which is a bit sad as well. But I'm obviously biased :D
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:51:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What about that new X-Wing with the big engine in the middle?
Tenrac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:19:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not new, it's just Poe's black x-wing with a fancy engine stuck on the end of it.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:29:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So it's new.
Tenrac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:37:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, it's the same, but modified. New...to most people, means entirely different.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:45:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, an engine isn't something you just slap on. That's the exhaust port. The engine itself takes some space inside the hull, meaning there's been some redesign.
Tenrac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:24:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Take a closer look at the pictures, it is pretty slap dash. It looks like he just took an engine off of something else and just strapped on to the back. Kinda mad max style...I think it's pretty cool!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:19:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is that the spark that will light the fire that will burn the Resistance to the ground?
raiigiic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:57:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When like says "this is not going to go the way you think" I believe this scene is occurring around when rey is coming out of the water. To me, luke looks struck down, like he's been beaten. Either rey has defected? Or perhaps kylo ren has found them.
Or it might take place during that raining scene from episode 7
there's going to be some epic plot point because it's the middle episode. the implication is that Rey is going to turn. if it isn't that, then I feel like the episode will fall short. it would be cool if Rey plays the role of Vader and redeems herself in episode 9. something unexpected at least.
Am I the only one that could see Luke going after Rey? The line where he talks about how he's seen this kinda of strength before and it didn't scare him enough then. And it scares him enough now to do something about it? Then you have the scene where Luke and Rey are in the dark cave looking area and it just looks all sorts of bad. There's another scene were Luke is down on the ground talking up to someone (again a dark rain scene). Could be part of the flashback where he has scene the Jedi Temple in ruins, perhaps Kylo?
I wouldn't mind Luke going bad, attacking Rey. Kylo killing Princess Leia (his mother), then Snoke choosing Rey and Kylo and Rey teaming up while they go apeshit on Snoke.
Or is this just my n00b star wars backing talking?
I agree with that! I am hoping they are leaving tons of surprises locked away. I'm sick of the entirety of every SW movie having the plot leaked before the film releases. It's actually pretty hard to avoid spoilers some times. Thankfully Rogue One was not spoiled for me but TFA was, except for Rey's big moment in the end.
I'm hoping this movie blows us all away with cool shit
wildard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:50:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What do you think about Luke?
Will he die in the end or will be carbonized for the SW IX?
I'm guessing Rey is in the cave on Ach-To talking to Luke. The embers in Kylo's scene look like they match an explosion/fire on the Resistance ship earlier in the trailer - I'm wondering if he tries to rescue Leia from the ship he hesitates from shooting.
Fuck me if this doesn't look beautiful. Blockbusters don't tend to make me feel this way, but I reconsider watching this on the biggest possible screen available
Why does Anakin's lightsaber always look so amazing no matter which scene it's in.. the thing has aged tremendously well, but I guess that's just the thing about lightsaber construction. The blue tone looks just as powerful as it did 40 years on.
Xacto01 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:32:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They seemed goofy to me at first. I like that, after looking closely at hangar shots, we see the First Order is still using the original AT-AT and AT-ST designs.
Xacto01 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:50:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I guess the old atats will do what their supposed to do and that's transport. The gorillas will have capital ship weapons:)
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So, uhh is this really where we're going as far as alien characters? Baby Groot-esque comic relief, and wildlife. Certainly seems like the Empire won the war, since their systematic oppression against non-humans seems to have resulted in all non-humans being completely useless. I get that actors want their faces in movies, but the Rebellion is looking an awful lot like the Empire these days.
We know that there's another humanoid alien species on Ahch-to, and Canto Bight will have even more. Although I'm still upset that we don't have another alien main character besides Chewie.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:56:57 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone mentioned a great theory on Kylo and Snoke. Kyloe was seduced by the dark side and after killing the new Jedi Order he went into exile. After a while Snoke finds him and trains him.
Was there anything in Force Awakens that suggests Snoke seduced him to the Dark Side initially?
As a massive star wars fan I didn't get nothing from this video either, it just seemed like random scenes which were the same as what we've already seen in TFA.
They're probably based on the same technology from the staves Grievous' droid guards used, which is useful for a lot of things besides stopping lightsabers
I remember Mark Hamill saying something about urging people not to watch the promotional material and that there are huge spoilers. Is that true or is this safe to watch?
To avoid spoilers, the part where Kylo Ren was aiming at something intercut with someone watching intently. Usually in trailers they can deceive you by cutting two different parts together but if Hamill thinks there was spoilers, that was the only thing that seemed like one.
reminded me a bit of Luke's lightsaber in episode IV, back when they still used reflective tape and blue flashlights behind camera to get the lightsaber effect
MrDude65 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:32:43 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Got this movie figured out:
Luke is talking about Snoke when he talks about immense power. He trains Rey, but she wants to confront Kylo/Snoke, and Luke doesn't. She goes anyway, after learning that Kylo is sent to quell a rebellious planet with Phasma. She arrives, and Snoke tries to seduce her to the dark side, but she refuses. She is killed. Meanwhile, Kylo confronts Luke again, where he tells him that his sister has gone to kill Snoke. During this time, Leia is killed aboard her cruiser and Kylo and Luke feel it through the Force. Kylo, now seeing how Snoke has taken so much without giving him the power he desires asks Luke to help him redeem himself. He agrees, and they leave to join Rey, not knowing that she is already dead. The Resistance is defeated and retreats back, Poe and Finn having been captured as prisoners. At the end, Kylo and Luke fight through the Knights of Ren aboard Snokes Star Destroyer and enter the throne room to find Snoke and Rey's body. Praetorian guards attempt to attack them, but they escape. Snoke speaks to Hux, telling him that the Jedi are finished and they will now exterminate the Resistance. Credits roll.
grackula ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:56:03 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rey is not dying however.
MrDude65 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:05:23 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm just hoping that Disney will take a more mature outlook on the series, and realize the weight this would have for the film.
But I do agree, it's a long shot.
grackula ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:48:11 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
will be fun to find out but does much surprise you from this franchise?
MrDude65 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:54:09 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not anymore, haha. Still, gotta hope, and from what I've seen, if Disney can put some maturity into the writing, I think this is a plausible plotline.
Ottott ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:09:42 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You need my theory further down in this thread in a bad way.
MrDude65 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:38 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can you link it? Would love to read!
Ottott ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:12:00 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tagged you under it.
Ottott ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:03 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Search my post history it's a comment in this post.
yeah I definitely think this is mirroring the Dagobah seen of Luke running off to save them in Bespin and not listening to Yoda..and hes trying to tell her it wont go the way she thinks and shell probably lose a hand haha
MrDude65 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:09:46 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's what I'm getting too. I think the Kylo smashing the helmet as he talks about killing the past is genuine.
JJ3595 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:05:36 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not so sure Rey is going to be confrontation-hungry like ESB Luke. I think she wants understanding more than anything - who she is, who her parents are, why she can use the force, etc.
MrDude65 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:11:12 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What have we seen in TFA? She immediately attacks Finn when BB-8 says he stole the Jacket. She saw Kylo kill Han, and fought him, just barely winning. I think she is and it would be the turn I think the series needs to take here.
Lol. Your synopsis can only be described as "fanfic-y." You're gonna be so disappointed; Disney has no balls; they won't kill Rey or Kylo, Snoke won't bite the dust till 9, I doubt Luke will even leave his island and the Knights of Ren won't even show up.
MrDude65 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:18:55 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, not what I'm hoping for, just where I see it going based on what's been given.
thergud ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:33:40 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why would they feel Leia's death but not Rey's?
MrDude65 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:28:05 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not as strong of a connection. Luke just met Rey, and Kylo hasn't known her.
Granted, it's a super outside theory, but I thought it up in fifteen minutes and that's my (poor) reasoning, haha
Rampant speculation (that, considering thereโs 10,000 comments will likely be buried) time;
We see that Rey confronts Snoke - assuming this is real, I believe itโs highly unlikely that Kylo Ren gets redeemed this time around
Because if we throw Rey at Snoke and both walk away, thatโll be pretty fukinโ disappointing. No, I think Snoke dies in this film, leaving a hole for new First Order leadership. And since Hux is a nothing character, and Phasma is a nothing character probably on her way out (for the same reason as Snoke, itโd be pretty lame to have her face Finn, again, and both walk away), thereโs only one person who can take that place; Kylo Ren.
I think heโs gonna save Rey by killing Snoke, but because the dude is still very clearly fuked up in the whole โmoral conscienceโ area, I donโt think sheโll side with him; that rejection will send him totally to the dark side
And hereโs why again; whoโs gonna be fought in 9 of Kylo is a good guy? Snoke doesnโt seem to be the fighting type, and thereโs no way episode 9 happen under J.J. with no Lightsaber duel.
Iโll bet approximately one Swish Chalet Quarter Chicken Dinner on that
P.S. itโs pretty fucked up that Finn, the co-protagonist of the sequel trilogy, is in 3 shots of this trailer, and I very much hope that itโs cause the Lucasfilm marketing department donโt want to deal with another โblack Stormtrooperโ controversy instead of the film being like that - otherwise Iโll have lost a lot of respect for Rian Johnson
P.P.S. For anyone whoโs made it this far down, Leia isnโt going to die in this film - we know 8 was unaltered after Carrie died, and we know she was to have a large role in 9. So any theory/โleakโ that predicates on her death is false
P.P.S. For anyone whoโs made it this far down, Leia isnโt going to die in this film - we know 8 was unaltered after Carrie died, and we know she was to have a large role in 9. So any theory/โleakโ that predicates on her death is false
To be fair, they HAVE to say she had a role in IX otherwise they'd be revealing that she died in VIII.
I like your idea that Kylo kills Snoke. Perhaps he feels some kind of connection to Rey after they kind of 'mind shared' in TFA, and sympathises with her if she's disappointed by Luke. He saves her by killing Snoke, but she rejects his offer to join him and it pushes him over the edge.
And the best part is, I think that would make everyone happy. Iโd say itโs a fairly even split of those who want him redeemed, and those who donโt - this way both groups get their way. He doesnโt turn, at least not yet, but itโs firmly established that he has the potential in him
JJ3595 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:35:19 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yes, I think Kylo's redemption will be the main plot arc of IX.
I feel like its just me, but i really don't want Kylo to be redeemed back to the good side. He has such a good story that completely inverts what Luke went though. He is conflicted, not sure about what side he really wants to be on, confronts his father, makes the decision there, is finally able to fully embrace the dark side and end the conflict in his heart. No more whiny angst, no more tempter tantrums, just new sith badass with a helmet and a goofy lightsaber. Thats what i would like to see to redeem Kylo as a character to me. And Leia and everybody having to deal with realizing there is no saving him makes for a much better hook too.
No, I want to love the movies. I love Star Wars, but I don't appreciate being given the exact same movies, but with a new cast. I also do appreciate being given a Mary Sue that out Mary Sue's the original Mary Sue that was a parody of characters like Rey. And the worst part, is that the entire subreddit seems to be get off on protecting Rey at all costs, and refuses to see how she is the literal definition of what a Mary Sue or Gary Stew is.
At first I thought Luke was trying to abolish the notion of the Jedi and create some new form of grey force user. Now, I'm really unsure. It just seems like he's trying to shun the whole notion of the force when he uncovers who Rey is or what her potential is. I dislike that the writers are portraying Luke as an old hermit, parallel to how obi wan and Yoda did in the original movies.
It actually looks like to me that his mouth is CG, like the shot didn't originally have him roaring and then they added it in post on top of the real footage. Or he did roar but they made an attempt to make his mouth super detailed using CG?
What if when Luke says he's only seen power like this once before he's referring to Palpatine's force lightning. He said I didn't scare him then, and I didn't until it was used on him. It would have destroyed him if not for Vader. Rey is a Palpatine anyone?
He's a completely new character, they've already said that. I'm almost positive that lots of elements of Plagueis from the book are being adapted to Snoke though. Same with Kylo and Rey for Revan and Bastila as well.
I don't get the people crying spoiler. A spoiler implies you know something now that you didn't know before. We don't know anything. We're still speculating and guessing. Nothing was spoiled, technically speaking. Just some leading and possible misleading clips strung together.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:25:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:30:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What are you freaking out about?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:33:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:35:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You do realize that people can change after 30 years and he's been through A LOT since then, right? If that doesn't make sense to you...
mearry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:27:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke has always sucked
Foxprowl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:26:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just want to know how "spoilery" were the spoilers?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:33:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kinda hope Phasma kills Finn in that battle scene. If itโs gonna be a dark movie some dark stuff should happen. I predict we lose Leia and Finn
Jeranda ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:34:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know its just the trailer, but Finn does not seem to be as "major" in this movie at all. First trailer was just him sleeping, and this trailer he wasn't shown that much either, just a few action shots. Obviously its just the trailer, but I hope they don't cut down on his importance.
Snoke is Luke, that is my hot take from all of this. Their words mirror each other too much not to be, and I bet they are both talking to Rey and not Kylo.
AT-ATs. Snow planet. Pretty sure those were snowtroopers following Kylo, too. It looks alright, but I can't help but think it's going to take a lot of cues from Empire Strikes Back like how TFA did A New Hope.
Kylo Ren redemption story is in full force. He is seen about to kill Leia, but I'm betting he resists his command and saves her instead. By killing his past he isn't referring to killing his parents, he is talking about killing his Sith training and killing off what he did to his father. He is letting that part of him die. Then we see Kylo with a healing scar in the end. We no longer see the black, which is not consistent with how Sith normally deal with injury. In the past scars have only worsened. I believe the healing his symbolic of Kylo healing from his sins, but showing the scar will always remain.
I agree! We also see the same kind of look that happened between Luke and Leia in Empire Strikes Back. But I bet this look is between Kylo and Leia. His mother is the one who gets him to turn from the Dark Side. I also think it's Leia he's reaching his hand out to at the very end, not Rey. It could also be Luke. But I think with either one, it's in friendship.
First we have game of thrones stealing WOTLK and now star wars shit lol.
ET3RNA4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:51:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Watching that made me insta buy 4 tickets to the nearest AMC for December 15th. I don't care about the money tbh, I'm going to remember this event and tell my grandkids about it. Now I need to find 3 friends.
I had zero interest in this film, but now I'm intrigued, mostly by the ending of the trailer. It would be an awesome twist if the main protagonist and antagonist team up for their own ends.
Those AT-ATs have been modified, you can see they have an almost ape-like structure to their front legs. The legs also look reenforced, maybe they took some lessons from Hoth. If you look closely they're also much bigger than the original AT-ATs where is the first order getting all this money?
I think the whole idea is that the First Order is the smaller but more prepared military government. This is to contrast Resistance that is more of a private army on vendetta. They may just be going about the AU stories/timeline but in a different way (Galactic Federation/Alliance).
I know nothing for sure, and have watched it four times. It pretty much gives us things to speculate on, and someone is bound to get it right eventually.
evbomby ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:21:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably late to the show but in the scene right after we see snoke it looks like Rey is right in front of him while she's screaming bent over there.
It would be awesome to see Luke as Snokeโs true apprentice just as his father was to Palp. There could be some use of Kylo being chosen to lure Rey to Luke (through โchanceโ engagements with Han, etc.) and playing them both in hopes of enticing her raw powerโs potential to the dark side by building her trust in Luke through his training proving Kylo to just being a weak puppet as weโve already seen in TFA and this trailer.
This would not only be a huge twist and go against every angle teased, but it would unify two characters that have a natural gravity attraction to fight on the same side (Rey and Kylo) and create an absolute end of the Jedi with the Snoke/Luke collaboration.
Just playing devilโs advocate to the obvious theories.
Am I the only one who thinks that Finn will turn out to be the true hero of the trilogy? Imagine Rey turns to the dark side, Kylo turns good. Finale show down Finn VS Rey. Kylo VS Snoke.
Awaken's promo material positioned Finn as the Jedi protagonist. I am guessing that this promo material uses misdirection similarly in suggesting Rey's turn to the darkside.
No one knows. Some people says she's Luke's daughter, or Kenboi's granddaughter. One crackpot theory floating around says she's a Luke clone (like the Thrawn trilogy, the "original" Episodes VII-IX).
I don't like everything having to tie back to.old stuff though. I prefer the idea that she's just some promising young force user that Luke hid away before his new temple got rekt.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:43:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We are all in the same boat. No one knows that answer
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:42:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus Christ. BL quotes. How cool.
Lukavyy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:58:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm definitely seeing this when it comes out, but I am concerned that it'll end up being clone #2.
The AT-AT scene is reminiscent of ESB, that's a no-brainer.
The whole Luke training sequence reminds me of ESB, even up to the point where the master initially refuses to teach because the candidate is too undisciplined, or, "untamed."
Kylo holding out his hand (presumably to Rey) looks like Vader trying to get Luke to join him. Ooh, I wonder if they're brother and sister, and Kylo is gonna have a reveal ร la ESB. Eh, probably not.
Dunno. I don't enjoy rehashed stories, and certainly not the most beloved story in the galaxy, but we'll see.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:58:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I still don't understand that first point. Ever since the teaser people have been saying that it looks like Hoth 2.0, but how? Because they use similiar vehicles? To me, isn't that like saying any war movie is a rehash if they use tanks? It makes perfect sense for militarizes to reuse and upgrade the same equipment
Lukavyy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:01:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's because they're all marching in formation. Super similar.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:29:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well that's what all armies have done.. Like, for all time
Lukavyy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:34:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but it's only happened in Star Wars once. I'm jus' sayin', if it turns out that they're marching toward a base of sorts and everyone's trying to evacuate, it's too similar.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:48:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So the bad guys aren't allowed to find the base? Or if they do they're not allowed to attack or the good guys can't evacuate because they did that before? It's just common sense that that would happen multiple times in multiple wars
Lukavyy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:04:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
NOT in multiple movies, however. Real life things happen more than once, of course, but life's boring and unoriginal--hence the need to experience something new and exciting. For a movie, such a level of realism isn't as enjoyable as it would be if the writers conjured up another scenario. Unless you're into overt throwbacks, but I'm not.
Speaking of AT-AT's, you'd think they'd learn and make their armored transports less top heavy and add more legs.
I mean there clearly is a need in order to show some wham moments that pull in viewers without actually spoiling a huge amount. The reaction of some people here prove that.
LdnGiant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:11:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting. Naturally I'm hyped, but I feel that as a trailer, the first one was better. Nothing massively spoilery in there I don't think? It's over 2 hours long and we saw some of the sort-of snow planet, a bit in space, and some of ach-to. No way there won't be more.
The Trailor looks amazing, I am looking forward to go ahead and watch the movie in PVR. Also will make sure to create sketch video on one of the character on my YouTube channel. Best of Luck Star Wars.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:55:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
While the trailer looks good, I thought it was noticeable that nothing seen in the trailer is new. Everything we're presented with, we have already seen in numerous promo material e.g. screen grabs from books, toys etc. Still the photography is good and the colour palette.
The story implications are interesting, as both Rey and Kylo are clearly wrestling with identity and choices they have made/will make. A few red herrings here are there imply perhaps both central figures may not end up in the place we thought they would. This is further emphasized by Luke's line when he says: 'This is not going to go the way you think'.
But for me anyway, this trailer failed to elicit any reaction other than 'Oh, it looks good'. Didn't experience anything close to the euphoric reaction after viewing the final TFA trailer for the first time. Having said that, this is so much better than the underwhelming teaser we got five months ago.
I liked it and it seems to be less cookie cutter than TFA (though to be determined). Only things I didn't like where the cutesy alien in the Falcon and Luke's delivery of "it does now!". Think they could've tried another take there.....
RomuRaf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:09:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't mind / care about the porg (I think that's what they're called), but Chewie looks weird as hell in that shot :/ how could they suddenly screw Chewie up?
The delivery was pretty good imo, but the line overall was cheesy as hell. Well, most lines were here.
I have no idea where is the right place to post this theory but at almost 10k comments, adding my idea here won't make a scene.
I think Snoke's power is that he can remove the light side of the force from people. Explains how Rey could join the dark side and why Kylo did before.
Maybe because of Kylo's Very Good parents, he's still got some light side battling the dark within him.
Theory #2: Luke is the one who (accidentally) killed the younglings in training. This made Kylo turn away. The raw power that Luke speaks of is his own, the scenes where Kylo shows up with his knights during that whole mess was so that Kylo could punish Luke.
Kinda like how Dumbledore was painted as super benevolent in HP but then we find out he did some not-so-nice things and I suppose that does give some depth of character, yeah
Ottott ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:47:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is no such thing as "the light side". There is "the force" and "the dark side of the force". Where in the movies has anyone ever mentioned "the light side"? That is all video game BS.
Thank you for your life-changing lesson in force semantics.
Alagorn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:31:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope that The Empire Strikes Back-like scene with the walkers and the base doesn't end up being the same as The Empire Strikes Back. Like don't have it at the start, etc, or do a spin on it etc.
It seems that Episode VIII is going to develop the relationship between Rey and Kylo Ren more in-depth than Ep. VII. I think a good endpoint for the narrative of the Last Jedi would be the revelation that the prophecy of the Chosen One, which was once misread as applying to Anakin, and which is seemingly fulfilled by Luke at the end of Ep. VI, actually refers to either Rey, Ren, or both. The transformation of Anakin into Vader and the rise of the Empire signify a tilt of the Force towards the Dark Side, while Luke's ascension into a Jedi Knight and the victory of the Rebellion represent a tilt of the Force towards the Light. It could very well be that the role of Rey (the paragon of the Light Side) and Ren (the paragon of the Dark Side) in this trilogy will be to finally bring the Force into Balance together.
TL;DR
Anakin turning into Vader/Rise of Empire = Tilt of Balance towards Dark Side.
Luke turning into Jedi/Victory of Rebellion = Tilt towards Light.
Rey/Ren = mixture of Light/Dark to bring Balance to the Force
The prophecy was not misread - Anakin was the chosen one, and in destroying the Sith he brought balance to the force
Balance = Light > Dark
I think the idea could work, but if it were where they were going, they wouldnโt have Pablo Hidalgo repeatedly stating the above on his Twitter for all the world to see
Where can I find the music that starts playing around 2:06 in the trailer. It seems like hyped up version of the official starwars theme. But I can't find it.
ST Beyond was actually pretty descent, and being JJ didn't write the script for TFA, his job as director was really just to make it look pretty, which, let's face it, it did.
BigSnoke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:43:27 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He did co-write with Kasdan though and had help from Pegg as well.
It surprises me how much people seem to like 7. It was very disapointing to me. Being a retelling of 4 was lame, Rey was a terribly written character, Phasma was a joke surely, Finn was cool though. And i liked Poe if you ignore that truly ridiculously goofy scene of his X-wing doing a loop and killing like every tie fighter and 3 squads of troopers. Didn't enjoy Kylo being a tempter tantrum throwing emo teen the whole movie, but i thought they could save his character in the next movie at least. TFA had some really cool scenes and moments, and it looked awesome, but the main character being so poorly written (little miss i am literally the best at everything ive never done before and have no flaws because screw you thats why) really ruins things for me. That on top of it being a copy/paste of 4 adds up to me not enjoying TFA. I also think the way they've handled Rey is really going to hold back this trilogy.
I think people just want to like it really bad. Its not the prequels, it has our favorite stuff from the OT, we desperate want it to be good and people are trying to justify that.
Finn fights the first order, Luke hesitantly trains rey, but when he sees her power he refuses, and she leaves, finding kylo ren, knowing he would be more willing to teach her. During the final battle, Kylo is going to hesitate to kill his mother. Contrasting this, Rey meets Snoke, who tells her the things we've heard, then uses the force to do something to her. Her allegiance is left in question at the end.
Justinwc ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:31:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
!remindme 3 months
Justinwc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:39:04 on February 8, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
yep you figured it out... not that hard to see how the trilogy is going to go with all the clues. it was obvious from TFA even that Kylo and Trey will switch sides at some point, only for Trey to redeem herself at the end of #9
I think that is the "twist" IMO, Kylo hesitates to kill his mother, General Tarkin, sorry Hux does instead causing Kylo to turn good and Rey turns to the dark side with her redemption in episode 9.
blu1996 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:32:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone feel like Luke sounds similar to Snoke? Iโm wondering if it might be a Wizard of Oz type reveal with Luke being our Big Bad for the Trilogy.
ZebZ ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:42:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it was clearly Andy Serkis.
blu1996 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:44:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean yeah heโs playing Snoke. That doesnโt mean Snoke couldnโt be revealed to be a hologram or shape shifting device for Luke. It would make sense for Snoke to be different from Luke, especially if heโs turned to the dark side and doesnโt want anyone to know.
vhiran ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:54:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
their eyes are creepily similar
but i doubt it. that said the torch needs to be passed one way or another.
I don't mean to be that guy but, I feel like this is just going to be the "Empire Strikes Back" of this new trilogy. In theory, doesn't sound like a bad thing, but considering how unoriginal Episode 7 was I'm not all that thrilled. There were a couple scenes in this trailer that reminded me of Empire Strikes Back in there.
I'm really worried about this, too, but the producers are pretty adamant that this is not like any Star Wars we've seen before, so... fingers crossed? The whole Ray running off to stop the evil guy before her training is complete, only to be captured and tortured, the whole giant walkers closing in on a hidden rebel base. a few too many similarities, but then again, it could just be the scenes they are showing us
Not CGI. It's most likely just a better mask that can make more complex expressions.
Bornado ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:06:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, thought disney was better then this. Spoiled the entire movie it looks like. Lets hope its all misdirection, but man. They have been so secretive then this trailer just gives away mountains. So strange.
HLAW8S ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:08:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We don't know that until the movie is released.
Druz1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:22:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm 99% sure a good chunk of it was misdirection.
Like Rey asking for guidance and Kylo reaching out.
I'd bet that sequence isn't in the movie in that order, she's more likely talking to Luke.
Iโd watch the trailer but I stopped doing that a long time ago. They just show you too much nowadays. If I know Iโm going to watch it regardless, I wonโt watch the trailer.
Hereโs what I want -
Kylo Ren to go full evil and stay evil.
Someone from the main โheroesโ to fall to the dark side
Some lightsaber fights out the wazoo
Possibly however in the trailer Luke says "I have only seen that much raw power once" then it cuts to the hand coming out of the fire and I doubt Luke would be talking about himself right there.
Anyone else not in love with what they did to the AT-ATs? They look too aggressive with those "eyes", more like something you'd expect from of a community created Total Annihilation unit...
How did the "Resistance" become more powerful and capable than the Empire? Thats where I struggle with all this. Death Star? Pffft.. we can suck a sun dry and destroy multiple planets across the galaxy. AT-ATs? Ha. Ours could pick one of those up and toss it down the road.
The resistance is supposed to be remnants of the Empire.
I always wondered the same thing. Its a fractured force that's probably not even close to the size of the empire, yet their technology seems way ahead of what it should be and they turned a fucking planet into a giant death star.
bill2401 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:06:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean the first order. The resistance are the good guys. And they aren't stronger than the empire, they don't have nearly the fleet size that the empire did. They compensate by prioritizing quality over quantity. What few ships they have are really good.
They look out of place. The detailing is too 'chunky' and expressive for their scale. All of the OT & R1 stuff looked great because all details were on a human scale. These ATATs look like they've taken their proportions from SW Rebels.
But this is just a nit โ the effects look amazing and everything looks really heavy and convincing. Also seems like this kind of detail is isolated to these units and isn't a larger production design theme. Not gonna get hung up on this.
So so agree. Been saying this ever since the super black and scary ships of TFA were first shown.
Don't tell the audience that they're evil by putting horns on all of their heads and red visors for their eyes. The originals had them as utilitarian mass produced grays, which could belong to either side, and then showed us how they're evil with actual plot where they're authoritarian and fascists, etc.
It's the old show, don't tell argument in writing, and the new Star Wars design is a huge weak point that actually makes me a bit sad for the wasted potential.
I'm gonna find it really hard to care about the B plot in this film. I'm so invested in Luke/Rey/Ben/Snoke that I really couldn't give two shits what Finn and Poe are up to.
I don't actually mean that, Poe is probably my favorite new character, but still, I have a feeling the A plot will overshadow the B plot here.
jar45 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 11:58:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The magic is gonna be in how they tie the two together. Because you could argue that was the same issue going into Empire Strikes Back.
I'm wondering if the scene of Kylo (possibly) strafing the bridge where Leia is was originally part of the script/movie or added after Carrie's death :'(
Looked like some Exorcist insanity going on with Rey in front of Snoke. I'm really, really conflicted about all that, and the prospect of Rey turning to Kylo.
vhiran ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:55:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
imagine if luke tried to immediately take on the emperor after hanging around yoda for a little bit. that's what it would look like.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:32:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The first order is still using AT-STs and At-ATs. People forget the first order is a creation of the remnants of the fall of the empire. I donโt like this but itโs not that bad I just wish there was more new vehicles.
Good? Eh thatโs debatable. They could try different shit but they did that in the prequels and I didnโt enjoy most of it.
timmypix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:58:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, out of universe those cruisers are based on the ones from KOTOR. In-universe KOTOR doesn't exist and while they're old cruisers, they're decades, not millenia.
Luke speaks. Rey is really fucking powerful. Snoke's face is even uglier (in a good way) IRL. Kylo is moodier than ever. Finn is alive and well though maybe not if Phasma shoves that pike up his bum.
Rocket80 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:54:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can watch it and easily convince yourself that anything that looks like a spoiler is just misdirection.
I expect it to exceed my expectations, which aren't very high after this trailer if I'm being honest. Though I think that's a good thing, I'm interested enough to buy a ticket.
What if Rey goes to the Dark side with Kylo near the beginning right, and then when he is sent to kill Leia he can't do it and switches to the light side.
Star Wars loves throwing Plot Twists in their movies. With the Episode V, Vader is Lukes father. In Episodes VI, its Leia is Lukes Sister. In Episode III its Palpatine is Sidious.
Palpatine was given his name in episode 6. So anyone who picked up on that and made the connection of Senator Palpatine being elected Supreme Chancellor at the end of episode 1 knew who it was all along.
Zainox ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:09:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
POTENTIAL SPOILERS IN LINK!!
So, I was too lazy to find the original video. But it's in this top 5. It has a comment mentioned that may bring light to this trailer.
Speculation: The movie will open just like Empire, but the First Order will wipe out everything on the faux ice planet. Sorry Leia, doesn't look like any shuttles are getting away today. But, like it's kind of a down note if this is the case. Tonally how will this be any different than Empire? There's still a constant down-note theme...
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:10:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
what the fuck what the fuck what the fuck what the fuck what the fuck
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:12:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Really hope we can see some intriguing world-building and not a "recycling" of worlds past - one of my favorite aspects of the OT was the fact that worlds were so unique and fantastical. It really made for a hell of an experience
dpaugh ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:18:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly Iโm so excited for new meme content! Maybe we can move past some of this weeks extremely exhausted content
Kinda thought it looks way too colourful/cartoony. Didnโt like the trailer. Letโs see how the final cut is, VII looked awesome so maybe theyโll pull it off.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:12:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like how it says no spoilers, but the trailer seems to just throw them out there
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 03:15:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This trailer looks like hot-garbage.. I'm sure everyone's just completely engulfed in nostalgia still. I mean i was at first until I stood back and noticed how bad TFA really was.
It feels a bit like it doesn't offer anything new from what we saw in episode 7 (aside from Luke being some moody jedi hermit, which even that was implied in that one scene).
Kylo is onto another parent, Finn is back to fighting with Phasma, Rey is learning to be a Jedi again, Kylo is offering to train her again. I guess we can maybe thank the trailer for not spoiling anything, but at the same time it fails to build any hype with me since it's just suggesting more of the same old, without offering anything new.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:32:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Hubers57 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:33:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently he wants language, which really has place in the Star Wars galaxy except "damn" and "hell". Maybe he wants blood and gore, which never seems to make any movie "better" except in the case of films like Kill Bill or horror films. Does he want sex? Even GoT cut back on all of the sex because of how much time it wasted in the show. Maybe this guy wants adult themes? But I am not sure what he wants as far as that is concerned.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:03:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But every single Star Wars movie has been kid friendly with cutesy shit except Rogue One and Revenge of the Sith. Even Yoda in Empire is the cutest little guy ever whenever you meet him for the first time. Considering that TFA made essentially a BILLION dollars at the box office alone in the US, I doubt making adult Star Wars film with an R rating would "KILL at the box office". Come on, now.
Ya, wasn't Rogue one fucking Amazing!! Anyways, the prequels were crap, with Revenge of Sith being so so. Notice how the violence & intensity level bumped up in that one? The audience grew with the those films sure, but anyone who says Phantom or Clones was better than Revenge is bananas. Empire is definitely the most violent/intense of the original trilogy and considered by many to be the best. Notice the bump in violence & intensity in that one? Truth be told perhaps an R rating might be too much, but SW, I feel needs to cut it with the kiddo shit and bump up its intensity 10 fold. The Batman revamp with Christian Bale which came in at a hard PG-13 rating revitalized Batman. Noticed the bump up in intensity of that trilogy compared to its predecessors like say Batman & Robin or Batman Forever? I don't remember much kiddo bullshit in the Christopher Nolan Version which destroyed all predecessors before. I agree all SW has been kiddo friendly besides Rouge. I just wish they'd ditch all the kiddo BS. Thoughts?
Revenge of the sith was a weird bag for me, it had it's insanely dark moments, but it honestly just made the silly bits really awkward to watch. I understand they probably threw those in there to lighten the movie up, but it really did just make it feel really weird, as if it didn't know what it wanted to be
lategame ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 05:31:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Another strong female lead in an action movie. Wake me up when the next one comes out.
I mean it's painfully obvious that it's a misdirect, if you can't see it I really don't care to argue with you over it
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:15:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because its probably a misdirect.
skafo123 ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 07:21:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wish they made a Star Wars movie again for once where the villain isn't some whiny emo teen.
And one that isn't so utterly and overly pathetic/melodramatic and predictable. Lost any interest in the franchise by now.
cb75 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:56:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ok bye
LdnGiant ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 08:02:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah they've made 4.
skafo123 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 08:51:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes should have said "made one again for once". Edited.
HK-47b ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:28:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I only watch it for the pew pew.
pilriot ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 07:28:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think its because of all the backlash from jar jar binks - I personally love episode 1 but all these fans lost their minds because of the humor and it wasnt exactly like the star wars movies in the 70s
since then its all zero humor, and purely exactly what people expect - the fans dont know or care and will blow their load with this movie regardless
since then its all zero humor, and purely exactly what people expect - the fans dont know or care and will blow their load with this movie regardless
This is just objectively wrong. TFA had tons of comedic moments in it. Rogue One had its moments as well, for example, the "are you kidding me, I'm blind" line.
Episodes 2 and 3 tried at times to be funny, but mostly fell flat.
skafo123 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:40:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I watched The Force Awakens. Was ok for a while despite knowing what the deal with Rey and Finn would be. Kylo Ren was pretty cool at first - then came the scene where he takes off the helmet and I'm like "for fucks sake why".
I agree with you though, but just one addition. They're obviously just milking the cow without taking any risk anymore - which is lame as fuck imo.
It's why we only get shitty reboots and sequels instead of more original content. More movies like Inception or Watchmen please. It's the same with games. I'm sick and tired of sequels and reboots.
Mackaf ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 09:01:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's wrong with rogue one? It was the best since empire
the trailer for the force awakens was so much more epic. there was so much hype, and the way it was structured built up so well. and the music, oh my god, calling back to the old themes....it had me so excited.
i still think this movie will be good but this trailer was underwhelming. the music didn't sound like star wars, luke's dialogue about seeing "this kind of power before" was so cheesy, and the cgi chewie was annoying as hell. i thought star wars was past that shit.
Gtdude44 ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 04:12:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Calling it now, Snoke is the last Jedi...aka obi wan. Rey turns bad, Luke is bad.
Non related question. What do you guys think would be a good way to get into this movies? I kind of want to see the new ones because the look pretty cool. I have tried to start from the first one but they seem so old and boring. What would be a good movie to watch first that doesn't have a lot to do with the previous ones, and then maybe I can go back to watching the old ones later?
If you want to just get a feel, just watch the newest one, Episode 7 The Force Awakens. If you like it, check out the originals from the 70s and 80s.
Tenrac ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:30:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you haven't figured it out by now...
Flables ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:51:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unfortunately the original movies are never going to have the exact same impact as it did 30 years ago, those movies were so influential to movies that came after it, you will not feel like your seeing s brand new universe for the first time.
A New Hope can be dreadfully boring to watch in full - I remember trying to introduce somebody to the series but realizing just how bad the original is as we did that one - but it does have some great world building moments that pay off later. I recommend getting through it to get to the 2nd and 3rd original movie which really tightened things. Imo Return of the Jedi is still the best.
Watching them in release order is probably best as it's the way that the story was told, though Rogue One technically takes place right before A New Hope and ties in very cleverly, so might be a good starting place. It's also full of long slow moments until the awesome final section of the movie, so that would be two slow movies in a row, but also sets the stakes for ANH so much better, and you'll see crossover characters etc.
Mackaf ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 08:54:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Machete order. Do rogue one 4 5 6 1 2 3 7
cel_ad0r ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:17:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Machete order is Rogue 1,4,5,(1)2,3,6,7. Isn't it?
But if this guy doesn't like the OT, I say just give up now.
Kylo Ren was portrayed in the way that Anakin shouldโve been. Shouldโve started out as a young teen romance with Padame, but kinda had the characteristics of a fucked up trenchoat Colombine kid. He couldโve been layered with potential and a good heart, but tragically haunted by his upbringing, and emotionally protective of the ones he loved to a fault.
I really wish his slave past played a bigger hand in him turning to the darkside. They would have set it up perfectly in The Phantom Menace, after having learned the Republic won't do shit about slave owners in the outer rim territories, Palpatine slowly convinces him that if they overthrow the republic, they can together end slavery in the outer rims with force
Wow canโt believe so many people disagreed with me. I always imagined a disturbed teen like from Chronicle or Looper would make it feel a little more tragic and interesting.
So Im guessing episode 9 they will be blowing up another Death Star.
Am i really the only one that was annoyed by episode 7 being a new version of episode 4?
The Rogue One was a really good movie the rest of the series is just the same old thing over and over again. Just do the spin offs and see where that goes
[deleted] ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 10:18:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm going to be honest here: this doesn't look too good. Just like in the previous movie, it seems quite likely that Daisy Ridley will be an overall annoyance, and the hype for both her character's and Kylo Ren's respective powers seems out of place. They aren't loving fan favourites, and I would hate for their strength to, in regards to lore, outshine the true favourites of Star Wars like Obi-Wan Kenobi, Darth Vader and Yoda etc. Seeing as how much of a disappointment I found "The Force Awakens", I'm going to keep sceptical of this one.
Cscactus ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 12:10:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course I'll go and watch it!
I must say it looks more like a Harry Potter movie than a Star Wars movie!
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:13:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It feels different and it looks like they'll be a lot of moving parts to it. Exactly what I was looking for after how they did VII
Deep down, me neither; but it feels more plausible now than it did. (Happy dance) I love being right! I mean, I'll be happy if I'm not right, but I love being right!
jgreenz ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:24:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snoke for sure Palpatine.
vhiran ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:37:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
lol, so now we know what would have happened if Luke went to take on the emperor after training with Yoda for a little bit.
Rey and Kylo turn to the Light side while Luke has/had been turned into the Dark side. Snoke is the raw power Luke is talking about and Luke tried to kill Snoke. Snoke will redeem the Light side with Kylo and Rey while they hunt Luke down in the third film.
pylon567 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:17:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rey coming out of that water reminds me of the Horcrux scene where Dumbledore went on the worst trip of his life.
I think I have this movie figured out already. Cant wait for December tho!
But I dont like what Disney is doing with the franchise, it feels like they are making it to family friendly. I mean Star Wars always had that dark feeling arround it. I dont feel that here.. I cant be alone guys?
Anyway I am hyped for the movie, just wanted to share my thought.
Mackaf ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:52:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its a family film thats what lucas wrote it for its all archetypal stories
But you know what I mean right? Ofcourse its a family film but you cant denie it looks more kid friendly than the older movies. The whole dark aspect is toned down.
Truufs ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 09:53:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah son killing his father and contemplating killing his mother is so light and childish.
Oh no, a family film that's aimed at children, who would've thought from Star Wars?
lefifa07 ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 09:18:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hello there. First, do not patronizing me, your question was rude, there is no reason for me to be on this forum to talk my opinions about the trailer and not have watched the last movie. You're probably smart and do not have to be condescending. Second, I do not remember the scene where it is clear that the first order comes to know that it was Finn who helped directly in the destruction of the starkiller. I have plans to watch TFA before TLJ and I'm going to look for this scene. The scenes in the trailer which Finn appears are confused, I would like him to appear more to have a greater understanding of his role in the story. And his return to the first order to me seemed obvious, he would not do it because he wants to, but on the orders of the resistance. Once he hates the first order he would do anything to help.
lefifa07 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:31:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah guys that's was my intention, I'm new around here, but now I know how to properly reply to a comment. Thx to you all!!
Bikeboy76 ยท -15 points ยท Posted at 01:03:20 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is it just me or is Luke still a whiny brat? He has come full circle. They should have just let you go to Tosche Station and then none of this would have happened.
This trailer was very spoilery.
Kylo looking out a window like Anakin.
Kylo blows something up...
Attack of the Porg.
Greenland is on Crate? (Loot Crate?)
Rey goes to the Dark side, nice one Luke.
Everyone has carbon fibre now?
Not impressed by this trailer, TFA final trailer was just epic (better then the film really, well hope it is the other way around this time.)
And no sign of Benicio. My hope that he would be a grey force user and get in the three way duel with Luke and Kylo is diminishing.๏ปฟ
I think Luke is just the neutral. His dad was Vader, he tried to spread the jedi way, his nephew fucked shit up, now he is reunited with the Idea with teaching Rey, he recalls the power she had (compaired to kylo) decides not to teach her.
He pretty much evens out as a character. I think he has nothing to bring to these 3 films besides a staple for us to question Light v Dark.
Im by no means a "Starwars mega fan" i am just questioning this seris. The main idea is light v dark and how they always even eachother out!
In that case its Snoke (master) Luke (master)
Kylo (Snoke apprentice) Rey (Luke apprentice)
Luke says "sike!!! Rey you to strong GIRL! I aint teaching you!"
Snoke says "Obey me Kylo!"
Kylo says "Sike! You "made" me kill my parents"
Rey says "Damn Luke why you so stingy!"
Rey finds awnsers through the dark!
Kylo trys to make up his sins fighting for the light!
End of Starwars!!!!
Rey is the last survivor of both the light and the dark!
She is the balance half dark half light. She is the sole survior.
In conclusion as a viewer: you understand the "balance" of the light and the dark. The dark wins some (ep. 1 2 3) the light wins others (ep 4 5 6)
But all together its even!
sike
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noun SCOTTISH/NORTHERN ENGLISH
noun: sike; plural noun: sikes
a small stream or rill, typically one that flows through marshy ground and is often dry in summer.
lefifa07 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 06:33:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
what I managed to put together from the TLJ trailer.
Until 2:00 the story is told in chronological order. With some scenes and frames out of order. It is clear to notice the lack of order in some frames like the flashbacks in which Luke is in the Jedi temple.
Although the story is told in chronological order at the 1:41 minute there is a scene out of order where Finn confronts Captain Phasma and this scene is important to the end of the trailer.
Minute 1:54 we have Finn accompanied by the Stormtrooper. In this scene there are many things that draw attention, such as Finn's body language and his clothes. Finn's clothes are very similar to what Kylo uses at the beginning of the trailer (minute 0:01 until 0:04) and this leads me to believe that he is not being arrested but rather commanding. His body language and of who is ashamed of his actions with a little anger and not of who has just been arrested and is afraid.
So if we consider that scene 1:41 is really out of order and that 1:54 comes before this scene, things start to make sense and we have the explanation for the end of the trailer.
It is also clear that the last scenes with Kylo and Rey are not the same scenes. The echo of Rey's voice shows us where she is. In a cave with Luke and everything she says in the scene is directed at him. But is it Kylo? Where is he? It's still hard for me to track down Kylo in this scene, maybe at the end of the AT-AT battle. But to whom does he reach out to the last scene? Of course it's FUCKING FINN. And this is how we see Finn back the first order, probably reaching some high ranking in the hierarchy as a Kylo informant. Next we have him confronting Captain Phasma in what may be the last major confrontation of the film between the two great forces. Probably by the end of the movie we will have Finn back in the resistance.
Agreed that the Kylo and Rey scenes are different, but I think almost everything else is wrong. Especially #5
We saw Finn defect. We literally saw him steal a tie fighter and shoot his way off a ship. Further, the first order knows he helped blow up Starkiller base. Why would they let him be an officer?! Also, from the "traitor" dialogue in the last film, you can deduce that the FO hates Finn's guts. Second, a Kylo informant? We see Kylo almost kill him at the end of TFA. Not to be rude, but did you even watch the last movie? There's nothing that suggests Finn turns.
Also, we see Finn fight Phasma... Why would he do that if he had joined the FO?
lefifa07 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:35:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's definitely Luke, just after his failing w/ Kylo at his new Jedi academy. The following shot in the trailer confirms this, as it shows the TFA flash back view of Luke's hand on R2, looking at the destruction.
Jrippan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:31:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thats a flashback from when his Jedi temple got destroyed. Its Luke
Itโs good, bit underwhelming, nothing to get excited for. Snoke looks stupid.
Phasma looks badass
The rest meh.
Still canโt take Kylo seriously.
Was so hoping to be blown away.
Please donโt ruin Luke.
[deleted] ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 11:22:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right.... But do you have a link? Nothing on the search results I can find
pilriot ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 07:11:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
these new movies are nothing but brooding and pandering and nobody will want to watch them again a year from now
they should just release a new movie every single year - nobody cares about the quality, they just want the nostalgic thrill for the release week it comes out
_Ardhan_ ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 10:16:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If they have Rey turning towards the dark in this film, I'll forgive them for the shitty writing of TFA. That would be such a cool thing to explore, though I'm very curious how she would be tempted.
Because they wanted it to be a surprise when Rey had the Force. Honestly I think it was smart because when it happened in the movie it felt more powerful, versus knowing she would have it from the start.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 03:32:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because all protagonists have the force? I guess that means Poe and Finn do too, right? I'm not an idiot but it wasn't obvious from trailers and posters what was going to happen in the movie.
Could they have crammed more cliches and callbacks in it? โFulfill your destinyโ? Really?
Star Wars is just the same story retold every single time.
ocyries ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 02:37:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know this movie will be crap just like the last, but i still get excited about it. I don't get it. I just want them to stop since they can't make good movies
Man, just go with it. I decided I'm going to like this movie no matter what. Did the same with episode VII. Who gives a shit. It's a movie and it makes me happy. I'm going to embrace it, whatever it is. I chose a long time ago to leave synicysm at the door when it comes to Star Wars. If you can, I suggest you do the same. Makes the whole experience so much more enjoyable.
ocyries ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:01:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just can't with the movies, they just aren't good. Bad acting, bad writing, and bad directing. I love the star wars universe, but these movies...
kyaelmoss ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 21:58:37 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I watched the trailer without sound but I can already tell how this is gonna go. From what I can see Rey and Kylo Ren are gonna hook up. Their baby will be the one to set balance to the Force. Rey will lose a friend (probably Poe/definitely Luke). Perfect catalyst for revenge later on....hope I'm wrong but Hollywood can't do anything but play it safe.
Thought they'd change Kylo's look a lot. But it just a scar on the face. Was hoping for a scrawnier maybe with a scruffy beard. I mean he doesnt look evil. Look at Darth Maul, dude can haunt you in your sleep
MakVolci ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:48:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To me, that's the point.
He doesn't look like a villian. We don't believe him to be a villian. He's trying his hardest to be a villian but dammit he keeps hitting snags. It's like why he wears a mask. He literally wears it to look cool and intimidating, because he is not on his own. Vader needed that shit to live. Kylo is just insecure. I think his awkward look is perfect.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:38:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
After watching him play a sex addict in Girls I just can't quite buy the villain thing
Okay, so wait, hold on. Out of all the things to focus on in this trailer: Finn being awesome and fighting Phasma, Phasma not being useless, more space battles, Rey's training, seeing Luke again, Snoke being on screen, the fact that Poe Dameron is the man of all of our dreams, what all y'all decide to get from that trailer is "YAY! REY WILL FALL AND BE EVIL! KYLO WILL BE THE HERO! THAT'LL TEACH THOSE WOMZ THAT THE FORCE IS FOR MEN!"
Like, I get it. You're mad that The Force Awakens took your toys away so gross, icky girls could play with them and that JJ Abrams was trying to perpetuate a white genocide or something. But come on. Grow up. Kylo Ren murdered Han Solo and they very clearly want Rey to be the face of the franchise now (though you wouldn't know it from the marketing, where the First Order is all over fuckin' everything).
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 14:50:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're really fucking angry over literally nothing
I guess you don't remember all the old toys where Maul was on every bit of packaging around the phantom menace. And before that, Vader was on every toy package.
Lumicide ยท -15 points ยท Posted at 11:36:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't look good. I'm not saying whether or not I think it'll be a good movie.
:05 AT-AT's are now knuckle dragging imitations of the originals, why? Also, CGI looks unconvincing. "But the CGI is not done yet" bs. it's out in a couple months, it's either done, or it wont be finished.
:23-:47 the lightsabers look very dull, (as does the rest of the scene when the lightsaber is present). As if it's not outputting at full RGB. Also, 45 is a stupid looking shot, and 47 the thing looks like a cheap photoshop effect.
Space tonfa is still stupid, and still looks too heavy/bulky to be of any use. The only use for this sort of weapon is to stun people, and take them captive. The prequils may be mediocre, but at least the droid carried staff things looked nimble enough to defend against a lightsaber wielding individual.
1:32 Oh look, another space rabbit. Better not be able to talk, or be anything more than a pet.
1:35 glass is a milimeter thick in space. interesting. Might be a nitpick.
jar45 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 11:59:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. The dude is already complaining about a "space rabbit".
davidm89 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:16:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And "glass 1mm thick in space." Don't you remember how every other Star Wars movie was hard sci-if? Yeah, me neither.
davidm89 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:32:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Whether or not it looks like something you want to spend money to see in theatre is entirely your prerogative. A bullet point list of nitpick things trying to convince other people not to see something most of us have been looking forward to since December 2015 is a bit ridiculous. If you choose to see it and have fun watching it, who gives a shit if the CGI was jenky in couple places or the movie committed the cardinal sin of having thin windows in space? I say this as someone who grew up on and loves Star Wars: It's just a movie.
Lightsabers usually look washed out when shot outside. Honestly, in the prequels, maybes its just because i was so used to the original trilogy so much, but the lightsabers looked more fake when they were outside because they were just as vibrant as when they were inside. I personally prefer the outside washed out look
Lumicide ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:27:11 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is pretty false.
(blade color is sampled from the middle)
Movie
Scene
color
scene comment
ANH
LukeFirstDraw
230,234,228
(indoors) {darkest indoors}*
KenobiCantina
255,255,255
(indoors)
DeathStar
255,248,255
Vader (indoors)
DeathStar
243,255,255
Kenobi (indoors)
Empire
WampaCave
247,255,255
(indoors)
Tauntaun
233,240,243
(outdoors) {darkest outdoors}
DagobaCave
241,255,255
(indoors)
NoImFather
249,255,253
(indoors)
RotJ
BargeRescue
253,253,251
close shot (outdoors)
BargeRescue
235,250,227
far shot (outdoors)
ThroneRoom
255,253,255
vader crossing in front of Sidius (indoors)
ThroneRoom
248,253,255
luke "" "" (indoors)
TLJ
ReyIgnitesSaber
225,231,225
(outdoors)
ReySwingsSaber
228,238,233
(outdoors)**
*this is the only time your claim appears possibly true (but it's indoors).
**swinging the sword in the original movies, even in the Tauntaun scene, results in the blurred center of the blade being just plain white.
holy shit, I've been seriously out-nerded. this is actually very impressive
Texaz88 ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 02:50:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just hope they do a better job of digitally rendering of certain characters than they did in Rogue One with Lea and Governor Tarkin...Cuz it was piss poor.The dialogue didn't even synch up with mouth movements
Texaz88 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 02:55:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah it sucked cuz Tarkin was a kewl hombre.I didn't mind the digital character so much.Just couldn't stop watching his mouth.Was like those Saturday afternoon Kung Foo movies
Yeah I edited it.He deserved better than old fart.My bad
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 12:32:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That was a good movie! Glad I donโt have to see it for real now!
The trailer is basically every character talking to someone off screen with dialog that makes you โthinkโ theyโre talking to person A, but the โtwistโ is itโs actually person B (which is very easy to guess โ just go down the list) Literally the entire trailer.
Also, I love that the only word multiple characters can come up to describe the power/strength is โraw.โ In a single trailer! A bit heavy-handed to make connections to Darth maybe.
No spoilers? This trailer is BARELY ambiguous. It showed way too much of the plot that previously knew little about. I'm fine with shots and lines that are tied to the story of the movie but this showed too much plot. I'm pretty sure the director said to skip this trailer of possible bc of the elements is gives away, it would be way cooler to see then first time in theaters.
kiekura ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:21:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This was just clever editing. Just like force awakens
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:40:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Literally no spoilers in that entire trailer. Take a pill.
siltola ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 00:37:56 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No CGI, of course. Leia is starred by a monkey? I prefer Star Wars Holiday Special I think.
LOL no fucking way. Pretty apparent Finn is a minor character meant to be the filler for Rey vs kylo arc. Look at the new toys and what not confirm this.
jayhalk1 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:29:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol. You are goin down asshole.
[deleted] ยท -30 points ยท Posted at 10:26:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you think this looks good you are officially braindead.
My one, and only hope for this movie is that they don't have Rey as such a ridiculous Mary Sue like in Episode VII. That was completely ridiculous and pulled me out so many times.
m0atzart ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 06:17:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
While Rey is a master of everything. Can fly a ship better than Han Solo? Check. Can out fight a Sith apprentice without any lights able experience? Check. Ever needs anyone's help? Nope, not really. She is good enough at everything to do everything herself.
Now Luke. Master pilot? Not really, but he does have experience flying before the movies. Master fighter? No, he needs Ben's and Yoda's help a lot to get good with the lightsaber, and still loses to a Sith. Destroys the Deathstar? Yeah, but couldn't have done it without Han or Ben, or all the others that sacrificed themselves to get him his shot.
The thing is, Rey is already amazingly good at literally everything, and required no training, unlike Anakin or Luke. Nor did she require anyone's help to do anything unlike Anakin or Luke.
Edit: tell me some skill that Rey ISN'T already really good at, because as far as I can tell, she is really God at everything, and I can't find any flaw in her. She is the literal definition of what a Mary Sue is.
HankLago ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:06:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because Disney has "ruined" Star Wars by turning a family friendly action-adventure franchise about space magic into a family friendly action-adventure franchise about space magic.
Aside from the fact that this trailer has Disney vomit all over it, it feels completely foreign from the many Star Wars we all have experienced, yes, change is good, but it's good when done in a well thought out way. Seeing this trailer makes me think that Rian Johnson is focusing on the wrong changes to differentiate his take on something that already has a rich lore. This is only a trailer and I hope the film doesn't turn out to be what I just saw. I like the idea of blurring the lines between good and evil, "the dark side and the light". I really do. Story aside, that fucking penguin, and that fucking mint strip on Kylo Rens face is killing me.
If I had to associate this take on Star Wars based on this trailer, kinda reminds me of the prequels.
it feels completely foreign from the many Star Wars we all have experienced
Eh... I completely disagree, but to each their own I guess...
Rian Johnson is focusing on the wrong changes
Such as?
something that already has a rich lore.
Such as the novels? Sorry, but the owners have the right to make whatever they want non-canonical / canonical. Some of the novels were good, but there were some that were.... not so great...
that fucking penguin
Every Star Wars movie has had at least one cutesie little creature or robot in it. Did you think this one was going to be any different?
mint strip on Kylo Rens face
What in the world is wrong with that? For all you know it could be some sort of regenerative medical strip.
If I had to associate this take on Star Wars based on this trailer, kinda reminds me of the prequels.
What??? Why?? I think you're reading quite a bit into a 2 minute trailer that just isn't there... That tells me you're probably one of those people that will refuse to like it regardless of how good it is. I don't get that... I really don't.
This reply will be towards all your questions: As a fan of the original trilogy, and probably considered a "fan boy".It really doesn't matter how I express my input on this new wave Star Wars.. because ultimately, it's the only Star Wars I'm going to get from the silver screen this year. I'm just going to have to deal with it, like all the other poor saps like myself, that long for something.. that doesn't look like this trailer.. I'm sure I'll grow to like this film, like TFA.. but what was Star Wars to me, just doesn't feel there. In my opinion Rogue One was an amazing film that brought so much back to what Star Wars implied, it gave me hope for the future of this franchise. Just seeing this extremely different trailer puts doubt in my mind, and I can't help but feel that Disney has mastermind something that was otherwise at one point in time a badass story set a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away...
[deleted] ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 04:23:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hate everything about this trailer. Most of all the gorilla walkers. They really just recycle the OT. If they mention carbonite in that movie I'll throw a fit.
HK-47b ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:46:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you want me to warm up my carbonite blaster? Oh, wait, nevermind.
So that walkers land attack doesn't remind you of Empire, just with less snow ?
This episode like Empire is seemingly "striking back" against the rebels.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:08:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i don't know...i think it'll be the opposite. I think that might be the first order repelling an attack by the resistance. Poe seems very determined and aggressive in the trailer.
I get the sense that the new republic is the more militant group.
Maybe, not long until we find out. Hopefully it's different but with episode 7 so close to A New Hope, that's why I've jumped to the conclusion so quick I think.
the walkers were also in RotJ (well, AT-STs) and Rogue One. It seems like a common gorilla warfare tactic (made into a literal pun with gorilla-styled knuckles/legs)
Thejklay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:09:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like I said after dumping ~$50 to see the hot garbage that was The Feminist Awakens, I will be pirating every Star Wars film from here on. (Unless Lucasfilm wants to make a Rogue One sequel. That movie was tight.)
HK-47b ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:37:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're like that because "Hurr-de-blurrblr, Didney! Muh childhood!"
It's just like people who knew of a band before widespread fame cry "SELL OUT!" when a record deal rolls along. As if Star Wars hasn't been basically just a money machine for years. An enjoyable money machine, but still a money machine.
Apparently, the moment they're supposed to consume their media from a major corporation that makes no bones over what it is rather than imagining they're sucking straight from the hairy man-teat of George Lucas himself, it ruins everything for them.
Those sort never seem to have much of a good reason as to why they're complaining. They complain because they can. It's like breathing for them - they just do.
yea, a whole new generation of kids are involved in star wars, too, just not the same way you and I were, I don't understand what is so bad about that.
Hubers57 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:40:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just leave and move on if you don't wanna be a part of the new films. Bye
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:17:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Saved comment
BlueSmoke95 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey /r/all. We know you're coming, so please read the rules.
YOUTUBE LINK
No Spoilers Thread
RiseoftheTrumpwaffen ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 02:07:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Dark Side of r/all is the path to many kinds of shitposting some would call unnatural
CTizzle- ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 02:59:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is it possible to learn these shitposts?
RiseoftheTrumpwaffen ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 03:06:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not from an r/StarWars mod
made_in_silver ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:54:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is no unnatural shitposting.
RiseoftheTrumpwaffen ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:54:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then you ARE lost!
Max_W_ ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 02:06:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why post to a Twitter post?
BlueSmoke95 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 02:07:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's where it was released first. When they post it to youtube, I'll ammend my stickied comment with the link.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 02:19:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They have: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0CbN8sfihY
(Taken from StarWars.com, it's not a rip)
battles ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:59:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What a disaster! Fuck Twitter.
Gestrid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:16:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I waited for the YouTube post to post to Reddit. Posted the link before anyone and still got deleted. (No, mods, I'm not mad at you. I understand why.)
Andropogon_gerardi ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:11:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Fulfill your destiny" - Snoke
"Now fulfill your destiny and take your father's place at my side!" - Emperor Palpatine
UrbanAce ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:27:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Speculation (not sure if anyone posted yet): That burning building with Luke falling in front of it is the new Jedi temple/order he established that Kylo destroyed with his uncontrollable power etc. I know this has been speculated before, but now we have a clear shot of the temple. It will be interesting to find out if Kylo was responsible for wiping out other potential Jedi etc or if this was just the result of a power trip. Also, that scene at the end with Kylo reaching his hand out seems to have fire around him which might be from the same event, but it looks like he has his facial scars so maybe not.
MasterShakeS-K ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:38:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know what, I bet the last Kylo-Rey scene IS "misdirection" but not like people think. That is totally going to be a vision like the "Force Cave" scene in Empire. That's why he doesn't have the bandage on his face as Rey wouldn't have seen him with it.
georgie9459 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:43:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Guys, Ren shouldn't hold his hand out like that, that's how people lose hands
Aeon_Mortuum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gotta adhere to tradition
VenusBloo ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:32:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is there any way to get a link to the trailer with subtitles? Probably the most frustrating thing about movie trailers in general for us hard-of-hearing people is no subtitles X(
SuperCrystal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:58:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same! Iโm frantically searching for some subtitles/cc right now.
IamRyanSmith ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:53:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They finally did something that every Star Wars fan has been asking for...ADD POKEMON!!!!
RUBYLEVELEDUPPP ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 05:30:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lets be honest Luke is gonna whine about not wanting to teach her. she's gonna follow him around for awhile then do something nice to melt meesa's dark soul and he will trainer. Kylo is gonna join up with her to fight snoke after he bitches out at him. then at the end of the movie there will be a cliff hanger where kylo gets blamed for Leia's death even tho it wasn't him and ray will be out to kill him with black storm trooper.
rem082583 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:57:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think that snoke destroyed Luke's school and captured Kylo trained him
Broccoli_Assasin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:59:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
UNLIMITED POWAHHHHHHH
hiredantispammer ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:06:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can't wait to watch this new Star trek trailer /s
j1m3n3zx ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 02:07:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, with JJ Abrams directing it's close enough.
Edit: I stand corrected.
EuterpeZonker ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:22:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's not though. Rian Johnson is directing this one.
swim_to_survive ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:06:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
PS: bring treats.
francocaine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:43:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rey becomes powerful, turns to darkside. Kylo Ren realizes he must help and turns Jedi.
Engage pew pew fight scenes
You heard it here first
Kinderschlager ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:14:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
oh, we were already here waiting!
tektek777 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:30:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Awesome trailer
wuchta ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:51:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Read the rules to know how to click on a link.
polak-pickle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:02:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looks good! Hopefully they DID rather than tried....
beavervsotter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:36:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The AT-ATs appear to be knuckling like an ape on the the fore arms. I bet those wrist joints open up and out so that they can climb up rock faces...which is going to be super cool...
UberMcwinsauce ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:23:52 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's an interesting idea. These are a variant called gorilla walkers, after all...
beavervsotter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:30:58 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Design Talk for 2 new SW vehicles: Dreadnaught and AT-M6
Thanks!!! Just read this (ref. Gorilla walker). Looks like they wanted something more aggressive that couldn't be taken down by tow cables lol Still hope they can grapple though
adarkride ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:22:44 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think we're good as long as the First Order doesn't have giant, robot camels...
Fabrice20 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:36:21 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is the shot of Luke emerging from the debris of Jedi temple, meant to be an indication that he got his wrecked by Kylo and the Knights of Ren???
naza01 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:27:04 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What do you all think about Rey? Iโm hundred percent sure that she is somehow the child of Luke
Landwini ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:40:35 on October 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just wanted to point out, don't know if this has been mentioned, but I know for a fact that the last scene is two different scenes. Kylo Ren does not have the scar that Rey gave him, so his scene is a flashback likely to an event in the force awakens, seeing as he doesn't look much younger. One might say that it is a flashback to his betrayal of Luke and the destruction of his academy, but wasn't that a long time ago?? Anyways, I say that they were not interacting with one another, but perhaps is foreshadowing something to come later.
BehindTheBurner32 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
MUST... RESIST...
willmcavoy ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:09:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
DO IT.
BehindTheBurner32 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:13:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No. Devitt. Fergal Devitt.
Tashre ยท 4041 points ยท Posted at 02:37:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"How do we gracefully write Carrier Fisher out of the franchise?"
"Proton torpedo ought to do the trick."
aviddivad ยท 667 points ยท Posted at 04:12:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the character is ray shielded
TrooperDave ยท 628 points ยท Posted at 04:41:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ray shields, wait how did this happen we're smarter than this
madbrood ยท 142 points ยท Posted at 05:32:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I say patience.
wooghee ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 08:46:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
R2 should be here any moment.
WoooooohuuiiiooiiiiiTSCHUNK! Beeb boop?
SuchASillyName616 ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 09:12:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jedi scum!
Thromnomnomok ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 09:12:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hello there.
SuchASillyName616 ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 09:22:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
General Kenobi. You are a 1
sephelutis ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:41:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anakin skyrim!
CJ090 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:31:35 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My powers have doubled since the last time we met, Alduin.
blueindsm ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:45:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you have a plan B?
SurvivalOfWittiest ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:25:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well I say lawnmower
JMTibbles ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 09:38:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ray Shields is my favorite fashion designer.
JobieWanKenobi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:00:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Brooke Shields little brother?
sgcdialler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:56:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cousin of Marauder Shields. RIP
The_torpedo ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 10:42:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently not.
tsgheric ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:29:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rey shields.
KipzOfTheMud ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:46:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently not...
clwestbr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:00:19 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That statement could describe that whole trilogy honestly.
Garmose ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 07:26:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rey shielded*
...
I'm sorry I'll leave
SuperGameBoy01 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 09:13:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry sir, it's time for you to leave.
Ishpersonguy ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 12:35:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's weird I thought her name was Leia Organa.
KDY_ISD ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:35:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only Rey is rey shielded
tang81 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:53:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A direct hit in the aft exhaust port ... I'll show myself out.
bl1y ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:59:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And only two meters wide.
SheepD0g ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:35:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
get the fuck out
tylerlawhon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
REY shielded
supercontroller ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:13:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rey sheilded please.
raidereric ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:14:46 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rey Shielded
Interfere_ ยท 465 points ยท Posted at 05:19:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly think that Kylo won't kill her. That will be the next major point where kylo shifts to the light side and does not want to lose his other parent. But then another tie fighter or something will crash into leia or fire a torpedo and kylo will build up more resentment against the first order
whiskey-monk ยท 104 points ยท Posted at 10:03:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snoke giving the order would be perfect
capSAR273 ยท 90 points ยท Posted at 12:08:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
do it
prettybunnys ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 13:03:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
( อกยฐ อส อกยฐ)
sam8404 ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 17:01:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
dew it FTFY
ShootsTowardsDucks ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 13:08:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean anger, which leads to hate, hate leads to suffering, suffering leads to one badass Sith Lord out to tear shit up.
klezmai ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 13:22:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, she has to go somehow...
AllegoricalCrosstalk ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 19:01:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's definitely the vibe I got from the scene with Kylo's hesitation and
from Luke, as well as the fact that it's a trailer and in no way is going to reveal such a major plot point 2 months out from a film everyone will go see regardless of trailer quality.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 00:02:33 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snoke will have her killed (phasma maybe? Or heโll do it himself and then Kylo and Rey team up in 9 to destroy the empire/sith
taco_flavored_keeses ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:24:49 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hell, that could even be the direct reason Finn is fighting Phasma in the trailer. Base gets invaded, Phasma disposes of Leia, Finn walks in as it happens and takes revenge on Phasma. I thought maybe the fight was just over their history in TFA, but Finn's determination doesn't really match someone who shouldn't really have a beef with Phasma over their brief history.
Invelious ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:20:56 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Very possible, but, are you suggesting that Luke becomes one with the force? Because we know that Luke, as per Lucas' order many years ago, could never be killed.
EricCornwell ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:53:37 on October 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lucas has no power here.
Invelious ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:56:49 on October 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe as part of the deal he made with Disney, is his original original scripts and concepts had to remain intact. In those concepts was that any character can die via being killed...except Luke.
This was first tested in the awesome novel from the New Jedi Order series, Vector Prime. Where Chewie is killed via a moon crushing him.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:17:40 on October 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke gonna get got, not because he loses to a superior opponent but because he chooses to do so. To me being a Jedi is accepting death is inevitable. Trying to fight/overcome death is the dark side.
Arronwy ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:39:59 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Might be right. Kylo might be mad in that elevator scene because he couldn't kill her/someone else did it after he failed. And he is either mad he couldn't do it himself or mad that she did die. This spurns his move back to the light somehow. Last scene with Kylo reaching out his hand is to Finn after Finn fights Phasma or around then. Guessing there is something more to Finn than just FN-2187, imo.
Ren goes evil at the end as Snoke is talking to her about "When i found you I saw raw untamed power beyond that something truly special" and he is telling her to "fulfill her destiny by joining him". Another good hint that she is the one he is talking about is she says "Something inside has always been been there...now it's AWAKE". Snoke mentioned something "awakened" TFA. Coincidence maybe but unlikely.
I think Ren goes to Snoke after training with Luke without completing her training becuase he decides to stop as he is afraid of her potential. She decides to go after Snoke anyway without completing her training (sound familiar?). That's why Luke says "this is not going to go the way you think." He knows she will lose if she faces Snoke.
Or my crazy theories could be 100% wrong.
Kasuge ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:43:33 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I never thought kylo might be reaching out to finn... but that actually does make sense.. nice idea man
hisrox101 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:29:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think that you're right, and at this part, Kylo is actually going to enter the lighter side w/ rey? and then the part where Luke is talking about
the over 9000 midi-chlorian countRey's system, he is actually talking about Kylo Ren[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:52:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If they attempt to redeem the character that killed han solo I'm beyond done
Invelious ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:19:17 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anakin killed the Jedi at the temple, children and all, and more after the fact. He was redeemed at the end by Luke. Ben clearly butchered Luke's new Jedi, its not far fetched that kylo might be redeemed.
Than again, I don't think this is what will happen.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:51:32 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ben?
Invelious ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 05:05:42 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ben Solo. Kylo's real name.
Jack_Krauser ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:45:00 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
F&F already tried redeeming a Han killer...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:09:46 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
what is f and f
Jack_Krauser ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:33:18 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fast and Furious
GrandMasterHOOT ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:11:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wrote this a year ago
Lhamo66 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:30:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Got it in one. It's unfortunate the story had to take this shape but neither with foreceably removing Leia you give rise to a great arc for Kylo to come back to the light and everything points to this.
Misticsan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:42:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same here. Since they're both strong in the Force, they can feel each other's presence, so he can't hide under a convenient "I was in the middle of a battle, I didn't know who I was shooting" rationalization. At this point, I can't help but expect a lot from Leia's death scene (we know it's coming) and Kylo's role in it.
JJ3595 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:08:18 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm betting some sort of Deux Ex Machina device (Kylo's ship gets hit by a spare bit of debris, ruining his chance to blow up Leia) averts tragedy in that scene.
OliviaElevenDunham ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think so too. That crossed my mind when I saw that part.
Txdust80 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:17:24 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or he is a double agent and he is trying to get to Snoke and he that is why Han helped him with that other (spoiler ) and he is just tells himself to get it done at all cost
darthnabs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:42:25 on October 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have a feeing that Snoke himself will kill Leia
Thiazzix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:38:57 on February 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Almost correct.
gekko88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:46:57 on April 1, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You guessed right, mate.
tinyturtletricycle ยท 85 points ยท Posted at 06:42:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
99% certain Leia sacrifices herself to save others somehow.
Goes down with the ship as a rear guard while the rest retreat?
Or maybe we finally get to see her use the Force in some badass way as she goes out in a blaze of glory?
[deleted] ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 08:39:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ooh, I like that. We don't actually see her give the order. Some comms guy in another ship looks at Laura Dern and says, "She's ordered the ship to go to ramming speed."
jcitme ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 09:08:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's some animorphs shit
dongsuvious ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:44:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
:( why'd you remind me
Derigiberble ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:32:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pursuing flagship's shields go down but the fleet is too beaten down to make use of it, then her private corvette launches and right when someone mentions that it isn't armed heavily enough to make any difference it manually hyperjumps into the bridge of the FO ship - that sort of thing?
TecTwo ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 11:14:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Leia has battle meditation!
sturmhauke ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:45:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would be pretty sick actually.
Jcit878 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 07:16:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
im almost sure in that scene she was force communicating with someone
wreckingballheart ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 09:24:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It seems certain she would be able to sense Kylo when he's near, so it's not a huge leap to think she sensed doubt in him and was trying to influence it.
Ianchez ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:14:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
From the trailer I got the feeling she was manipulating those ice foxes in some way, maybe as scouters.
tinyturtletricycle ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:17:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't even think of that! That would be so cool. Can't wait to find out more about the ice foxes.
Ianchez ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:00:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The thing I find more exciting its the idea of Leia finally using the force in some way to interact with her surroundings
juhsayngul ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:14:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thought this was a joke at first, until I realized this is awesome.
redditdude500 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:01:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Leia has been using the Force subtly for years in her political career. She doesn't even know she's doing it. Now that her focus of love is gone(Han/Kylo) her control over raw power waivers. Those who stand in her way will suffer.
tinyturtletricycle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:01:42 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:27:11 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My bet is on this as well. No better way to go out than to sacrifice herself (probably for her son too). Forget the CGI or recasting or having Leia go into exile; Leia going down guns blazing (or ship blazing) fits her style the most.
h3p ยท 70 points ยท Posted at 04:43:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Heh.
VindictiveJudge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:44:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Now I hope her ship is a carrier.
Darth_Draper ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 13:18:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like if Carrie had written a will depicting her death scene, it would go something like this, "If I'm going to go out, I want it to be fucking spectacular. Like, proton torpedo in the taint. Shot from my son. That kind of shit."
VindictiveJudge ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:46:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What about drowned in moonlight, strangled by her own bra?
ThisIsRyGuy ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:44:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Perfection.
Dawnqwerty ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:50:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Incest isn't too far out there for star wars...oh wait you meant an actual proton torpedo?... oh.
vettes_4-ever ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 04:52:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"...a small thermal exhaust port"
LiquidFangay ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 04:26:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
STAY ON TARGET
Sailor_Gallifrey ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:39:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They did say that they didn't change anything in VIII but had to rewrite IX because of her passing, right? But did they ever say for sure that she doesn't die in this one? Maybe Leia does die in VIII but the way the story handled it in IX suddenly became wrong because of Carrie's death IRL?
WhiteZerko ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:00:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It could just be that there would something revealed about what Leia did during VII or VIII for which they had to shoot extra footage - which was obviously not possible anymore.
Or she originally became a force ghost in IX.
notpetelambert ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:38:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's what she'd want
seanzytheman ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 04:43:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I read that way too quickly and thought you said "Proton torpedo to the dick." Which is also a good way to go out.
mwcope ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 08:14:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How I wanna go.
atomicbunny ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:44:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thatโs impossible. Even for a computer!!
SummerInPhilly ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:14:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I used to bullโs eye womprats in my T-16 back home
ChronX4 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 05:17:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If nothing happens to her in this one I am fully expecting for the opening crawl in IX to mention her passing.
Jcit878 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 07:18:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
im expecting her to become one with the force personally. seems to be the most dignified and honerable way to go about it. sort of obiwan style. hell maybe her ship explodes and she becomes one just before it would have killed her
shelboost ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:46:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm wondering though if Luke's whole "It's not going to go the way you think" bit is actually a conversation he's having with Leia before this battle sequence. After all, Leia's character generally tries to find the good in people - I could definitely see her betting the house on Ren coming around. It would be a sad but poetic way for her to go out though, if her own son was irredeemable.
BobTurnip ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:24:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She turns to the dark side so that her and kylo can rule the galaxy side by side as mother and son. But she gets her limbs pulled out of their sockets by Chewie who still holds a grudge for being ignored by her (?)
rbarton812 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If the Cigarette Smoking Man can survive a missile to the face, a Force-sensitive General isn't gonna feel much from similar.
JordanMercury ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:14:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for making me laugh this morning
justworkingmovealong ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I... I didn't event think of that...
The Feels.... RIP Carrie Fisher... Again...
sam8404 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I loved that part, seeing Kylo hesitating in his TIE, I can't fucking wait to see this!
zberry97 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:05:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
These are not the trailers you're looking for
BottlesOO ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It a red herring.
ShadowPhoenix22 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:13:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My silly mind thought 'What if Leia uses the Force to transport her mind/soul into Ben and uses him that way, to take on/take down Snoke? Decides to kill herself/her son at the end'.
fender0327 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:37:41 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I though Cathleen Kennedy said that they wouldn't kill her off.
tdog970 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:51:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
!redditsilver
RedditSilverRobot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:51:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here's your Reddit Silver, Tashre!
/u/Tashre has received silver 2 times. (given by /u/tdog970) info
dbjob ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 07:04:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bad bot
DrDrumma ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:10:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I shouldnโt be laughing as hard as I am.
samlee405 ยท 1515 points ยท Posted at 02:00:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It looks beautiful..
blueindsm ยท 491 points ยท Posted at 02:01:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. Yes it does! Holy cow!!! The Falcon in that cave was amazing!!!
bipbophil ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 02:09:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Red kyber crystal cave
PSI_Rockin_Omega ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 03:00:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Whoa
BurgerTech ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 03:39:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They have given a canonical reason for red crystals. if they applied the same method to the entire planet that is seriously messed up.
withateethuh ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 04:13:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kyber crystals are naturally colorless now right? So if those are kyber crystals than some sort of EXTREMELY powerful dark side entity would have to have tainted like all of that.
demalo ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 12:30:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wasn't it that manufactured crystals were red but also prone to failure?
BushyDio ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:06:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
EU
demalo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:22:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, turned to Legacy... fair enough.
UtterFlatulence ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:34:18 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well old EU. The new version is also EU, just another one.
BushyDio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:56:18 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I probably should have said legends lol
BurgerTech ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:04:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yep. and just doing 1 crystal was a total bitch for Vader. so let the speculation begin!
Quantus_X ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:16:59 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe they aren't kyber crystals
Edgy_McEdgyFace ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 05:13:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Falcon chased by TIEs! I've been waiting for that all my life!
Borange_Corange ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:33:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, we haven't seen anything like that since Episode 7, when the Falcon was flying through the SD guts, or since Episode 6, when the Falcon was flying through the DS II super structure!
Same action, now with red crystal background!
(Glad you're excited, just wish design wise these new movies did something, ya know, new. Makes me sad.)
blueindsm ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:58:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry movie design makes you sad....?
Borange_Corange ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't. Laziness and wasted opportunity for Star Wars makes me sad. Lazy, blocky, boring design.
one_armed_herdazian ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:28:49 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Movies are generally better when you have a positive attitude towards them.
Borange_Corange ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:53:43 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, true, but in this instance, blind positivism would be lipstick on the proverbial pig.
fake_person ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 02:18:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Falcon flying through a cave?? I knew it was just going to be a rehash of ESB. So disappointed.
Edit: downvotes I don't mind, my sarcasm being so easily missed is disappointing
Tasteful_Dick_Pics ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 03:24:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's cool, I knew you were joking.
doodlechester ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:37:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That was no cave....oh wait, it was.
dra39437 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 02:05:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space battles look fucking amazing
withateethuh ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:37:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love how much new vehicle variety is showing up in this movie. Can't wait to see those resistance bombers in action.
made_in_silver ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:50:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You looked beautiful when you watched that trailer.
Ktulusanders ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:44:42 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Slow down there Bran
dookie_shoos ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:39:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, it's beautiful...
TheSkipRow ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 11:05:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
GODS I WAS BEAUTIFUL THEN!!
Forever_Man ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:19:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My jaw dropped within seconds, and it stayed open for the entire trailer. Holy crap, I can't wait.
HurrdeerTf2 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:00:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Woah there Bran Stark
othellothewise ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:53:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The color palette on the scene with the new AT-ATs is amazing. Blue, yellow, and red.
arex333 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:25:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This new trilogy is some of the most unbelievable cinematography
ickybus ยท 3469 points ยท Posted at 02:14:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I suspect the level of misdirection in this trailer is higher than Anakin's midichlorian count
not_a-replicant ยท 890 points ยท Posted at 02:16:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The chances of misdirection are approximately 3720 to 1!
freedomfromtruth ยท 436 points ยท Posted at 02:47:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Never tell me the odds!
Cuchullion ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 03:17:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shut him up or shut him down!
branj70 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 04:34:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've got a bad feeling about this.
impshial ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:41:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love you
JobieWanKenobi ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:56:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know
freeblowjobiffound ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:08:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But SIR!!
BryceGladwin1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:32:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's high... very high...
taulover ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:37:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/nevertellmetheodds
Llort2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:10:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
1, 3, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13, 15, 17, 19...
JonSnowsLoinCloth ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:50:40 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
4 8 15 16 23 42
InvincibleAgent ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 11:02:57 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kate!
We have to go back!
RunswithW0lv3s ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:34:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
r/nevertellmetheodds
metnavman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:46:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Never tell me the odds!
gogopogo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:32:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Never tell me the odds!
failuratlife ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:20:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's high. It's very high.
Just_a_wet_fart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:40:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Never tell me the odds!
demalo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:25:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Those aren't that bad for odds. I'd take those at the table anyday.
jirp96 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:40:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Misdirection overflow!
Vainslef ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:56:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Challenge Accepted!
mattyboy3363 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:02:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Donโt ever tell me the odds
CmdrMobium ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 03:10:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My midichlorian count is at 9 right now. That's like, stupid low.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 04:07:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:03:21 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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InTheCageWithNicCage ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 04:12:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have heard legends of a taco made entirely out of dorito
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:15:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not even Master Yoda's misdirection is that high!
bluegrassgazer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:03:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But those were off the charts!
dieSeife ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:33:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's high. It's very high.
viners ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:18:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's heroin.
everythingpurple ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:53:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
that's proposterly high!
dcw14 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:00:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I suspect a trap
Walkemb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:43:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So at least 7.
JacksLackOfSuprise ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:03:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Over 9,000!
MadEorlanas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:13:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, this is absolutely false - but it looks SO FUCKING COOL nonetheless.
Aeon_Mortuum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:35:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The midichlorians, powerhouses of the force users
SalvationInDreams ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:12:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I only watch the anti-cheese versions so I don't know what this means.
ickybus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:31:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just watch the movies so I don't know what "anti-cheese" means.
SalvationInDreams ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:50:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was slightly joking. The Anti-Cheese edits are versions that get rid of some of the sillier parts of the prequels. Like Jar Jar is dramatically reduced in TPM and when he's there, he's speaking a subtitled alien language. Midi-chlorians are eliminated entirely.
Teocyn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:47:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Made the film look a bit meh.
KCIV ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:02:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fail, You missed the opportunity to mention sand and how coarse it is. God and it gets EVERYWHERE
Thor_2099 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:30:07 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well sand does get everywhere
hisrox101 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:25:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wish I had gold to give...
Englishly ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 03:06:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Midichlorian?
Thor_2099 ยท 13375 points ยท Posted at 02:01:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I expect there was MAJOR misdirections in that trailer.
Unculturedswine55 ยท 8655 points ยท Posted at 02:06:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I trust none of what I just saw
zeroesandones ยท 2115 points ยท Posted at 02:09:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But it was still super exciting.
BuckeyeEmpire ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 02:22:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So exciting.
hippy_barf_day ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 02:44:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't watch for fear of excitement.
BuckeyeEmpire ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 02:47:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You would have been excited.
Zin-Fed ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 03:39:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like how exciting? I'm holding on until I get home from work. So I could see it on the big screen and Nerds don't start clambering over my work PC.
bluegrassgazer ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 03:55:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The nerds have seen it. Trust me.
[deleted] ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 04:08:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They immediately faked a smoke or bathroom "break."
I guarantee it.
[deleted] ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 04:27:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Smoke break? Don't you mean a Snoke break?
Zin-Fed ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:12:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No wonder all the bathroom cubicles were locked when I needed to use it.
StaYqL ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:15:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know I did.. and I'm not even smoking
Jermine1269 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:28:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I had 3 crowds around my desk at different points of time....I also Google hangouts'd it to everyone in the office. So excited!
Roflpidgey ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:42:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely worth that particular wait, this is a good one to savor.
iniff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:07:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or worse, talk to you about it
SPOOFE ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 05:33:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I tawt I taw a Tar Destroyer.
MocodeHarambe ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:12:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I loved the graphics
abrakadaver ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:30:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Im with you both!
BadDrvrsofSac ยท 1344 points ยท Posted at 02:20:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well they basically tell you not to trust them with Luke's words in the trailer.
I'm guessing Rey is asking Luke to teach her when she says "I need someone to show me where I belong."
And they're just tricking us when Kylo stretches his hand out. I'm betting both scenes are in different parts of the film.
[deleted] ยท 4680 points ยท Posted at 04:11:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or Luke refuses to continue her training
Kylo is betrayed when snoke wants Rey instead
Rey resists snoke
Rey fights snoke
snoke about to win
Kylo wrecks snoke with surprise attack
Maybe pocket sand
Rey joins kylo
Phasma and Finn get on the floor
Do the dinosaur
End credits
TheDungeonCrawler ยท 1491 points ยท Posted at 04:17:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Upvoted for pocket sand.
taulover ยท 65 points ยท Posted at 06:33:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't like sand.
boky90 ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 09:45:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Completely understandable. Itโs s bit too coarse.
AllPraiseTheGitrog ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 10:23:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget that it is irritating, and that it gets everywhere. Sand certainly does have many undesirable qualities!
jukesofhazard11 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:43:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
then dont upvote
J-Debstup ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:56:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Directed by George Lucas
taulover ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:04:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Credits will do fine.
Jazzinarium ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:41:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, they won't-ah!
taulover ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:45:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Credits will do fine.
newfoundslander ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:14:04 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's treason, then.
RobertNAdams ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 06:32:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pocket force sand, sirrah. Don't even have to reach into your pocket to use it.
sha sha sha
Ged_UK ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 07:05:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/pocketsand
Soup_or_Die ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:15:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
SUBSCRIBED.
misirlou22 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 11:35:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shh-sha!!
AnalDetention ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 12:57:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Upvoted for do the dinosaur.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:41:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sh Sh Sha!
christophlc6 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 09:54:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lacka boom
Grazhoppa ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:41:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If at any point I'm in a situation where I need walk out music, it will be this
whatWHYok ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:09:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
BWAAAAH!!!?!?
TheGayslamicQueeran ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:25:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He forgot the most important think: Mom's spaghetti.
grandplans ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:22:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
upvoted for the pocketsand upvote.
headpool182 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:43:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
sha sha sha
tabithasbestfriend ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:02:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shi shi shaa!
NeonPhyzics ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:15:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hate sand...
andrewman447 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:34:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hate sand.
Matazaonreddit ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:19:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's coarse, rough and irritating, though.
RatDig ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:49:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, it is a Disney film now... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LTFytMiXkQ
[deleted] ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 06:34:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Downvoted for pocket sand.
lesecksybrian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:48:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Doot doot.
PapaLemur ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 04:29:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Calling it: Rey gets rejected by Luke, joins Snoke and Kylo turns to the light.
wreckingballheart ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 04:39:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. Kylo gets pissed he's second string and scared by Rey's power and he swaps sides.
ToastedSoup ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 07:28:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo becomes Darth Revan confirmed
Ihaveopinionstoo ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:26:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
by body isn't ready for a revan allusion.
DefconDelta88 ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 07:58:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really don't see it as within the parameters of rey's personality to get rejected by luke and decide snoke is the obvious next best thing. She has a relatively clear moral compass and considering she initially wanted nothing to do with her powers, she isn't exactly someone I see falling into a power hungry role like the dark side. She wants somewhere to belong, but I don't think that requires abandoning her core morals to find it. She already rejected the dark side before.
Of course, anything is possible, but it just feels out of character for her. That isn't to say there won't be some turbulence, but I'd be pretty surprised if she really went in that direction.
Roboticide ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 13:59:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She doesn't want power, but she does want to feel wanted. She wants family and inclusion. If Luke rejects her because her power makes her unwanted, I could see a string of events that maybe don't lead her to deciding Snoke is the "obvious next best thing", but at least swapping sides. Especially if Kylo Ren doesn't switch. Then she has a "friend and mentor" in Ren, not Snoke.
I don't know that I'd bet on it, but I could see it as a possibility. I think it'd certainly be engaging.
Ihaveopinionstoo ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:26:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i'm still holding onto that brother theory.
Roboticide ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:20:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uuugh, sorry, but I hope not. Simply because I want to believe that Han and Leia are not the worst parents in the galaxy and two of the worst characters ever written.
Ihaveopinionstoo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:55:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A smuggler and a princess being best parents in the galaxy seems to be farfetched anyway lol
Roboticide ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:22:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not about them being the best, nobody should have expected them to be the best, it's about them not being the worst.
Ihaveopinionstoo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:37:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can think of plenty of worse off parents than them two as well lol.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:39:15 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's totally possible they didn't want what happened to Kylo to happen with Rey, but not that plausible.
Roboticide ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:24:43 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's not remotely plausible is that after she meets her "father", and Han does fucking nothing. The moment they meet and explain the situation, the cat is essentially out of the bag. Han has no reason not to be upfront with her.
Keep in mind, if that was the concern, Han could have told her he was her father and simply not told her Kylo Ren was his son as well. Also keep in mind, Han has been off just smuggling around the galaxy. Maybe not the best life, but better than a life on Jakku.
Same thing with Leia.
Now, that's not to say they don't know who she is, but they do not react the way literally ANYONE would after meeting their long lost child. Doubly so for Han, since he could have easily picked her up. This means that they are, pretty much without equal, some of the worst parents ever written. Hell, even Vader at least wanted a relationship with his son, even if it was to rule the galaxy.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:21:06 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ahhhhh my bad I didn't realize my comment was so out of context; I wasn't saying that Rey was their offspring, but that she was perceived to be Force sensitive to an alarming degree and putting her on a sand planet was the easiest way to mute her abilities and connection to the force as directed by Luke after his experience with Kylos fall to the dark side. I mean to say Rey was put on Jakku to stunt her growth in the force by Luke rather than be trained, regardless of her lineage, not that ham or Leia dumped her off.
Roboticide ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:41:18 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, yeah, I think we're in agreement then. I think that's a lot more plausible than her being Luke's or Han/Leia's child, honestly. Everyone would be acting fairly reasonably and consistently, including (maybe even especially) Han, as well as Luke.
kerouacrimbaud ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:06:35 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:15:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Remember how hopeless "empire" left us. I feel like disneys gonna do it again. Episode 8 will end with those same feels ๐ฐ
Jack_Krauser ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:48:00 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if Snoke is her father and Luke couldn't bring himself to kill him or his daughter, but assumed they wouldn't meet up again... somehow? It would be pretty dumb, but it's a remote possibility.
Roboticide ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:53:48 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, Poe could be her father too, but it's not really a theory with enough of a possibility to be worth entertaining.
Luke could be her father. Obi Wan could be her grandfather. Hell, Chewbacca could have been her adoptive father. All those make more sense than Snoke being her father.
DefconDelta88 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:48:38 on November 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't entirely disagree with that, but so far as it seems, Rey's character has an inherent moral compass that does definitely give her a strong sense of right and wrong, even when she wants to put her own fears/wants before a greater cause. I mean, you see it on Takodana when she nopes the fuck right out of there because she's about as terrified of the Force as she is of the First Order, but that's turned around on Starkiller base when she finally accepts it and stands her ground.
Just speaking from an objective look at her character's core personality traits, Rey seems to be a genuinely good person and that extends beyond her own personal wants and needs. Yeah, I think she desperately wants to belong, but I don't think she is likely to turn in her morals just to fit in, and I think she's even less likely to do so for the guys that killed Han... who let's recall, is probably the closest experience she's had to feeling like she belonged.
BUT, of course, it's all speculation! :)
ChivalrousBasterd ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:23:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
OR, perhaps they play on the Dark Empire comics of yesteryear. Maybe Rey doesn't succumb to Snoke directly but chooses to for infiltration purposes. Only to have her tempted by the dark side.
Probably not but who knows. All I want is for Luke to change the game and follow a gray Jedi path in that he believes extremes in light and dark only lead for conflict. Maybe he has found a way to truly have balance by partaking in both. Maybe play off the Revan storyline a bit in that respect.
one_armed_herdazian ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:32:50 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think Luke dies (leaving Rey adrift) and Kylo turns to the light. The final scene of the trailer is their commitment to becoming something outside of the dark/light dichotomy.
DefconDelta88 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:41:41 on November 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I kind of hope so just because part of me is like "everyone hold hands, be friends, space is cool!" but at the same time, I don't think that what happened with Han is redeemable for the fans. That was some heart-stabbing shit right there.
SuperCoolGuyMan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:11:00 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but does she even actually know who Snoke is and even if he exists? He can corrupt her.
Stormthrash ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 05:58:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe pocket sand
Definitely pocket sand.
ninjaML ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 06:19:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hate sand
InstaxFilm ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 06:27:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love democracy
taulover ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 06:33:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love the Republic
CaptainCaedus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:08:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am the Senate.
taulover ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:47:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not. Yet.
AdeleBeckham ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 10:28:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rey and Kyle team up, passionate love scenes begin.
Fast forward to Episode IX find out they're siblings.
Arrenn ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 10:12:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Replace lightsabers with martial arts and you have almost a shot-for-shot rehash of Karate Kid Part III.
Deyis8 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 10:57:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Upvoted for Do the Dinosaur
nachoolo ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 07:28:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
that would be a great adversion.
Fuck the jedi and Snoke, they are going grey.
MisterCheeks ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 12:21:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Phasma? You mean Brien of Fucking Tarth?
Fiend1138 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:10:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shi-shi-sha!
hedgecore77 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:38:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So... Return of the Jedi?
chinaklay11 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:57:19 on January 9, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Damn, nice prediction here.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:31:20 on January 10, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Damn, I totally forgot about this. It was a pretty good prediction.
Unglossed ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:30:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke and Kylo team up to wreck Snoke. Luke sacrifices himself in the end and becomes even more powerful.
Neraph ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:18:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Choked on my coffee, man.
Jedi-El1823 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:04:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Since Snoke taught Kylo, that means Snoke is Rusty Shackleford.
ThaNorth ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:50:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So Rey and Kylo defeat Snoke. What the hell is episode 9 gonna be about? A teen romance between Rey and Kylo?
AtomicPunk ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:38:26 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So episode nine will be Rey and Ben flying around the universe on their honeymoon?
NormanTheGreat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:22:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds legit
ProtoKun7 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:26:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone of Skywalker descent using pocket sand?
It's unexpected, I'll say that much.
deevonimon534 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:15:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A surprise, to be sure, but a welcome one.
raidereric ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:34:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No pocket bacon dammit Goku
amumulessthan3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:12:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What does this leave for ep9 then?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:17:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
More sand.
Chef_Beef_Supreme ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:48:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hate sand...
xArcheo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:50:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://youtu.be/QLpUq__iQqw
Pickles256 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:33:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
RemindMe! 3 months
Bombshell_Amelia ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:39:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You had me at pocket sand.
PleaseBe18 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:52:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah when Snoke was talking about seeing such raw power in someone, i believe he was talking about Rey
Darth_Draper ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:59:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe Pocket Sand. Thank you.
Holovoid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:29:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snoke confirmed to be Anakin
lostintransactions ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:37:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's all good except and I would agree except for the "last Jedi" title thing.. two of them would have to die. No?
Rey, Kylo and Luke.
Pick 2.
Luke is a Jedi, retired or disaffected doesn't change that. Kylo helping Rey would make him a Jedi. Jedi is just a moniker for what side you're on. You do "good" you're a Jedi, you do bad, you're a Sith.
I think Luke tries to kill Rey cause he's butthurt over what Kylo did and dies from falling or something, Ray is now the last Jedi.
But that's literally the trailer right?
I hope I have no fucking clue honestly. But unfortunately I will not see it the first week so it will be completely spoiled. I remember the next morning after the last one everyone gleefully telling everyone else Han was dead.
FromThe4thDimension ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:11:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jedi is the plural of Jedi.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:18:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Boom. Grammar.
huggythejerk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:00:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget baby Groot--erm, baby Han Solo!!
TybrosionMohito ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:16:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's a meme I've not seen in a long time
vguytech ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:24:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
God damn it you got me.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:03:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget all the YouTube movie critics either praising it as the next ESB or literally being worse than any of the prequals.
rngtrtl ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:16:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HAHAHHA. i lold at "maybe pocketsand". good job.
veiguinea ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:33:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You forgot the wilhelm scream
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:19:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its implied.
Claim_to_Lame ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:51:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Too old...too old to begin the training...
DaysPastoftheFuture ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:56:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kyle blows up Leia because, sadness
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:19:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or does he...
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:21:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sha sha sha!
Shorvok ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:42:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Third movie is just a porg dancing to ELO for two hours.
Ryjinn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:43:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
OPEN THE DOOR
GET ON THE FLOOR
EVERYONE WALK THE DINOSAUR.
IrishWebster ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:29:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd watch this. ๐
Indie_uk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:26:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This feels like a haiku made by somebody that's only ever heard the faintest of notions of haikus
KrelmInRealLife ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:29:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is a thing that I react to positively.
Chelesuarez ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:11:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rey is Snoke's daughter.
Directed by M. Night Shamalalalyan
clwestbr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:01:26 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah Finn and Phasma is like...full of sexual tension. People thought the Finn/Poe slash fiction got out of hand, wait till you see what this will bring
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:37:58 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She totally wears the pants.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:30:00 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm definitely thinking someone's new force ability is going to be pocket sand, can't believe we didn't see that coming.
Matope ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:45:58 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dinosaurs eat Finn.. Woman inherits the franchise.
DirtyMarTeeny ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 10:45:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would love if Rey and Kylo would just stop this light and dark thing and become gray Jedi together.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:19:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like two butt cheeks coming together to finally end this shit.
Pickles256 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:09:45 on February 11, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You kinda got some of it
at least the part of tthem dancing the dinosaur
szechuan_steve ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:56:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They are different scenes. Rey's voice echoes: she's in the same cave we've seen her in other clips, with Luke. Her back would also be turned to Kylo as he appears in the next shot. The light from the fire near each of them is behind both of them.
It's unlikely Kylo came for a friendly hang out with Luke and Rey to help her convince Luke to train someone again.
Paddy_Tanninger ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 08:47:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Naw it's just right before Kylo Ren goes "PSYCHE!!!". He retracts his hand, sweeping it through his hair. Then they start fighting.
Ziodus ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 10:09:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you look closely, Reyโs outfit in that scene is the same outfit she initially encounters Luke on Ahch-To in, which she abandons once she begins training properly
for those sweet, sweet merchandise royalties.trappedonvacation ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:39:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The lighting on their faces was completely different. His light was pulsing, I assume from flames based on the ashes in the air. Her light was a solid glow, perhaps at sunset. I doubt they're even on the same planet!
OregonReloader ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:56:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure Snoke is talking to Rey at the beginning of the trailer as well.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:44:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was going to guess she says this after he runs away from her.
IabductamericansinEU ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:41:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"teacher" her?
Ecko09 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:58:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who, where is saying it?
colorfulruler ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:41:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea it looks like Rey is definitely in a cave with Luke while Kylo looks like he's outside in the middle of something collapsing or something.
DrJawn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:38:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
His extended hand and her words are two different parts of the movie.
Why would Disney reveal the whole plot in a trailer?
I'm doubling down that Rey is Anakin. I think Snoke cloned her from Anakin and he is telling her to join him because it is her destiny.
When Luke says he wasn't a scared of the power last time he saw it, we think it's Kylo he's referencing but I think it's Anakin. Yoda asks him if he is scared and he says no, and Yoda says, good, you will be.
Them showing Kylo about to shoot Leia, when Carrie is dead, is an obvious throw off. Why the fuck would they reveal that? Also, Kylo is in a TIE fighter and she is in a huge ship, we all know those little ships can't take down huge ones.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:45:32 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You forgot when Luke says, "This is not going to go the way you think.
DonMonnz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:55:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Be even better if they werenโt in it at all just to fuck with everyone
Ellyann ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:01:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The place where Rey say she needs someone to show her where she belongs looks like the one Kylo is standing ^
Same colors and all, but yeah a fake vidรฉo would be fun XD
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:14:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't normally grammar Nazi, but for some reason "teacher her" bugs the shit out of me, it's "teach her".
TrenchJM ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:04:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was thinking that the whole thing with Kyle and Rey was the same scene but that it was a vision cave like Luke experienced in Dagobah. I felt that the scene where she's collapsed and panting, with a cave behind, is her going through this experience, after which Luke says "breathe" and her training starts.
Aujax92 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:59:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Obvious misdirection in the trailer but it honestly wouldn't be that suprising. I've been guessing the plot point in the trilogy of Kylo goes good again and Rey ends up on the dark side.
I mean the whole extended universe is filled with these force flip floppers.
CreepyMosquitoEater ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:12:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It looks and sounds very much like Rey is in a cave, and Kylo is in front of something burning
CALMER_THAN_YOU_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:22:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"to teacher" is not a verb, it's just "to teach". There, I just to teachered you.
DrThaddeusVenture ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:56:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you listen to the audio it sounds like she's in a silent rock chamber, whereas it looks like Kylo is standing in a larger area amidst sparks and something being destroyed.
MajickmanW ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:30:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
they've gotta be different parts of the films, but i bet when Kyli reaches out his hand it is him trying to turn Rey.
if they're really following the OT formula this woukd be just like the end of Empire when Vader tempts Luke maybe?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:40:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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MajickmanW ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:51:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
what if kylo is trying to save spider darth maul?!
KING_OF_DA-NORF ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:03:08 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or they want us to think the trailer was all misdirection but it's actually not
boundedwum ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 02:19:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I almost suspect the comments saying to avoid the trailer is further misdirection to make people think what they see is what it seems.
ImAOneTrackLover ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 03:47:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But what if your comment is another layer of misdirection? I can't trust anybody...
TheDungeonCrawler ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:18:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forgst the tweet from Mark Hamil to tune into Monday Night Football for no apparent reason. Lo and behold.
szechuan_steve ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:02:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trust no one
seneschall- ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:27:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But why would he do that on his cakeday?!
theredditoro ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:24:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It might be.
SalamiRocketFuel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:04:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, even the trailer says that this is not going to go the way you think.
szechuan_steve ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:01:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's the impression I get. Disney has a track record of shameless misdirection. It's a brilliant marketing tactic on their part: Rian urges people not to watch trailer. What does it make people want to do? Watch the trailer.
It also keeps us all guessing for longer than we might otherwise.
CmdrMobium ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 02:49:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your eyes can decieve you, don't trust them.
wewd ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:43:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unreliable Narrator: The Trailer
Ultyma ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:43:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is the best description of this trailer.. I'm going with this one.
livinglife9009 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:24:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well can you believe, like I did when seeing that trailer, that it could be Rey that destroyed Luke's Jedi Academy when she was a kid? And that Luke had to do a mind wipe because of story reasons which we'll find out later?
YouveBeenKitFistoed ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 05:24:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ooooh neat thought! We even see the ground crack open when she is "too" focused
stationhollow ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 08:33:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea. The whole "I have only seen raw power like this once before" makes you think he is talking about Kylo since it cuts directly to the building burning down but my guess is that he is still referring to Rey, just as a child before they fucked with her head.
grimonce ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:40:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is acceptable
GoldenGonzo ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:44:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
LIES! DECEPTIONS! Everyday, more lies.
SYD64 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:26:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I trust chewbaccaโs little friend is purely in it for the merchandising.
Unculturedswine55 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:48:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cute funny small animal with big eyes... disney did it again
danw650 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 10:42:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is no way Luke spends the entire movie cowering and afraid of the Force. That dude kicks SOMEONE'S ass, with or without a lightsaber. He has to get some action.
MasterChiefsCodpiece ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:47:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree. We have been waiting too long to see some LS ass kickery.
1_OVERDRIVE ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:47:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your eyes deceive you. Don't trust them.
Pt5PastLight ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:38:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, it looks like Rey goes into the force testing vision cave thingy, so almost any scene can be "dream sequence" misdirection.
Unglossed ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:02:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like when the Falcon crashed in TFA trailer.
Ecko09 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:05:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't remember that...
Unglossed ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:35:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It crashed into the snow. The trailer made it look like a fatal crash but they actually just skipped across the landscape.
Ecko09 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:06:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, that
karadan100 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:20:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but Luke spoke. HE FUCKING SPOKE!!
everythingpurple ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:47:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"trust no one"
NotYou_42 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:30:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I trust none of what you just saw either
cdegallo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:39:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a nice 180 from the brainless Marvel universe movie trailers.
I'm not sure what to think the story will be and it's awesome.
erickgramajo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:50:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly, omg it was so good
Alagorn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:43:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I applaud it for being different
KrishaCZ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:18:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I trust Porg
Brewsterion ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:51:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same here
RightHyah ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:37:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is why I donโt watch modern trailers. You will have random preconceived notions now.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:02:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well. Carrie Fisher dies.
JacksLackOfSuprise ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:59:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everything I tell you is a lie
Claim_to_Lame ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:44:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You must UNLEARN what you have learned
AlexWFS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:44:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your eyes deceive you, don't trust them. Let go of your conscious self and act on instinct.
ZA-X ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:50:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trust it? No. But man, how awesome would it be if the titular last Jedi is the last Jedi because she joins the Sith?
10Lei ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:10:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good point, you never trust a trailer.
rocketwilco ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:17:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I trust mark hamil is in the movie.....
pjnick300 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But itโs all true... from a certain point of view.
ProfMeowingtonz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:41 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your eyes can deceive you... donโt trust them!
JustHereToConfirmIt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:27:33 on October 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Feel, donโt think. Trust your instincts.
justsayCHUCK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:26:11 on January 4, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The irony of this comment...
for_the_revolution ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:23:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why was this gilded
Hanjo_Main_ ยท 2200 points ยท Posted at 02:07:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo was reaching out to the gerbil who screamed.
grounded_astronaut ยท 345 points ยท Posted at 02:42:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I learned anything from Mass Effect, it's that if you mess with the space gerbil you mess with me.
Pun_In_Ten_Did ยท 67 points ยท Posted at 08:03:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I learned anything from Baldur's Gate, it's that if you mess with the miniature giant space hamster you mess with Minsc.
"Go for the eyes, Boo. GO FOR THE EYES!
TheyKilledFlipyap ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 12:40:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They even reference that in Mass Effect 2. When one of your squadmates (Tali) summons an attack drone, she'll tell it to "go for the optics".
SavageAlien ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:38:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And in ME3: Citadel DLC Shepard tells the Space Hamster "If anybody gives you trouble.... Go for the eyes."
WWANormalPersonD ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 10:48:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wish I could upvote you more than once. You are awesome.
TerdVader ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:56:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If Star Wars has learned anything from Baldurs Gate, the first 40 minutes will just be fighting rats in the sewer under Canto Bight.
Metallica93 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 11:04:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Found the guy who killed half of his crew after he recovered his space hamster from the engineering sub-deck.
"And who the hell put my model ships down here?"
MrGerbz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:16:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love you too.
greyjackal ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 02:42:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're more like penguins. They're birds but I believe they're flightless.
Phifty2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:02:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"He's like a frog that became a prince."
"No, he's more like a penguin."
ragbagger ยท 66 points ยท Posted at 02:21:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure how I feel about the gerbil yet. The lego ones were cute enough. This one mimicking Chewie made me cringe a little.
[deleted] ยท 68 points ยท Posted at 02:24:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jar Jar Gerbil
[deleted] ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 02:25:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Poc4e ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 02:49:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It does, and it is very eloquent.
panaja17 ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 03:00:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah crap, Disney made a Star Wars/G Force crossover movie.
jerkmachine ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:25:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And honestly? Maybe we could all talk like one ya know? Wouldn't that be so interesting and cool and speak on that
MrGerbz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:18:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
<3
Gets_overly_excited ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 03:17:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Mee-sum wanna run on the exercise wheel ... yeeeeaahhhhh!"
SkollFenrirson ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:57:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jar Jar Bil
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:06:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Clever
MrGerbz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:16:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Screw you.
SithLordCB ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 02:30:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Porg!
Jermine1269 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 04:30:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hear they taste delicious slathered in bbq and hotsauce with a bit of celery for garnish
whiskey101 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 05:24:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You son of a bitch!
thoriginal ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:59:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There were like 7
PokemonPoki Wan in this trailerblamethemeta ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:22:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's just like those minions. Annoying and going to be part of the marketing.
Keykatriz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:59:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The amount of Porg stuff out now is amazing. Maybe let me watch the movie and decide if I like the damn things before you shove them down my throat.
SavageAlien ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:39:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seemed more like it was sounding off the RED ALERT alarm.
Ralph-Hinkley ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 02:44:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It made you cringe? Did you literally recoil a bit and pull a funny face? What does cringing entail? Inquiring minds want to know.
ragbagger ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 02:50:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol. Ok. I'll indulge. Yeah, when it made its noise I think I drew my face up into a sort of half sneer. Internally my inner dialogue thought, "ehhh...?
I'm open to new species, new characters, and comic relief. So we'll see what the space gerbils can deliver.
Fourwindsgone ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 03:38:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Butt stuff.
In space.
Ralph-Hinkley ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:12:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cringe:
verb 1. bend one's head and body in fear or in a servile manner. "he cringed away from the blow"
synonyms: cower, shrink, recoil, shy away, flinch, blench, draw back;
More: noun 1. an act of cringing.
ragbagger ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:22:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cringe: verb [1] to feel embarrassed and ashamed about something: I cringed when I realized what I said.
grandpagangbang ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:04:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think he means it seems like a cute character designed to sell stuffed animals. Like an Ewok.
RunswithW0lv3s ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:24:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know that was my reaction
GetEquipped ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:38:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think a slight groan and eye-roll can suffice as "cringing"
cmonyer3ds ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:46:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reaching out to Luke in a flashback scene maybe??
WDMChuff ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:03:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't he have his scar tho ?
lallo18 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:19:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He did!
abrakadaver ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:31:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ger-Ger Bil!
sharklops ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:55:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wookies don't actually die. Rather, when their bodies are mostly destroyed, the largest remaining part of them starts growing into an adult. They go through an adorably precocious phase early on, and throughout life all their growls can be roughly translated as "I am Wook"
ben0318 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:26:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs a bird (inspired by the Skellig Michael native puffins where Lukeโs island scenes were shot), not a gerbil.
Itโs called a โporgโ, apparently. I have a feeling that that name is going to cause some awkward autocompletes/corrects.
That thing is adorable, but Iโm scared itโs going to be the new JarJar.
thenewiBall ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:17:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't imagine it being anything more than baby Groot or this generation's ewoks
emiltsch ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:20:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
GerGer Binks?
sewa97 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:26:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As expected.
paingelfake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:33:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking Porg
UserLame94 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:53:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Excuse me, they are called porgs. But yes, they are easily swayed by the dark side so this prediction is likely.
rimmed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:50:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That makes a lot of sense.
Chronic_BOOM ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:47:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Coming from someone that has only seen the first 3 Star Wars (as a kid, no less), I think it is this comment that has convinced me to give the rest a go.
Unglossed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:30:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If only you knew the places that gerbil has been.
stillnopickles14 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:35:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Never doubt Disneyโs ability to sell new childrenโs toys with each installment
Chimpbot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:57:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's a penguin-gerbil.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:17:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Porg Sith Lord confirmed
ManThing910 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:19:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo Gere
Claim_to_Lame ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:52:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Darth Gere
shoopfoop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:18:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That was porg, my friend
kacman ยท 221 points ยท Posted at 02:07:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously, thereโs no way they just showed it all that easily.
yourbraindead ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:11:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well regisseur said dont watch this trailer because Spoilers. Unless that was itself a misdirection i think it could easily be true.
Wizmaxman ยท 525 points ยท Posted at 02:07:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For sure. Don't show 2 people in the same scene? Probably cut up to make it look like they are
Scottyjscizzle ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 02:10:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea outside a single scene none of the people talking were shown together.
ShouldersofGiants100 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 02:19:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even if they were from the same scene, they probably picked shots that didn't show it to heighten the misdirection.
Scottyjscizzle ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:24:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh I know, but certain shots had enough happen to be slightly spoilerish like snoke using blood bending. However nothing was bad enough to elicit some of the things people are saying.
Thor_2099 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:28:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What is blood bending?
Jacobanks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:30:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs from Avatar: The last air bender
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 02:59:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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frankensam989 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:25:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck me. Why did i watch the trailer... and why did I read your comment! Makes the most sense.
UnknownQTY ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 04:41:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rey doesnโt even have the same background.
TheMercyMainBTW27 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:46:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snoke and Rey are in the same room.
Go_Go_Godzilla ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 11:58:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And both Snokes power speech and Luke's power speech are about and to Rey IMHO. Ben keeps thinking he's chosen but he's just normal strength - his arc will be redemption through coming to terms with that.
And Luke was talking about Anakin, which is Rey's level. Making it not about genealogy or force royalty but back to that space of wonder in A New Hope where a boy from a farm can be special.
YourDarlingSpeedster ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:31:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think Luke implies that Kylo is just as strong as Rey. He tells her hes seen her type of raw strength only once before and now it scares him
CuddlyIronBoot ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:05:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He is the only person that's been shown to stop a blaster bolt dead in it's tracks. Even Vader was only ever able to deflect them. Plus he tanked a shot from the bowcaster, which I'm assuming he had to use some sort of force suppression on, otherwise he probably would have lost his leg right then and there.
Cuban_Beefcake ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:59:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think a lot of people don't give Kylo enough credit.
Cuban_Beefcake ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:57:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I think people don't give him enough credit.
Cuban_Beefcake ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:59:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think Luke is referring to Kylo when he says he's seen this kind of power before. They go right to his Jedi temple being destroyed, presumably by Kylo. This could be a clue or misdirection.
tinyturtletricycle ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:23:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo and Rey aren't together. Lighting is different. Clever editing.
redditdude500 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 09:03:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also embers flying around behind Kylo.
trsvrs ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 06:00:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The background when we see Rey is different than the one when we see Kylo, too. I think it was just editing to trick us.
AlmightyNZ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:18:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
there was only a 100% sure thing on 2 protagonists in the same scene and 3 words muttered. That was the only spoiler for me :/
bckesso ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:43:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She's probably talking to Luke
Tylerpak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:29:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thatโs dirty.
kerouacrimbaud ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:02 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Directors have also been known to shoot/create scenes specifically for the trailer, never intended to be in the final film.
virtu333 ยท 3684 points ยท Posted at 02:06:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously; Snoke talking to Rey at the beginning, not Kylo I bet
Bowler_Fett ยท 1969 points ยท Posted at 02:08:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Donโt think so, think heโs talking to kylo. Fits with Lukeโs lines in the trailer of โhe saw this kind of power before and it didnโt scare himโ that was kylo.
obrysii ยท 1547 points ยท Posted at 02:12:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I assumed it was Darth Vader he was talking about. "I'm not afraid."
oorza ยท 1067 points ยท Posted at 02:13:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think they're going to swap roles for the third film, with Rey playing the villain and Kylo the hero. Silver Darth suit = light side badass.
[deleted] ยท 823 points ยท Posted at 02:17:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo would follow in his grandpappys footsteps then, just not in the way he thought he would.
Flexappeal ยท 1791 points ยท Posted at 02:48:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo is such a good character.
Reveres Anakin but completely misunderstands his motivations, thinking Vader's strength came from his embracing the darkness for power's sake, so Kylo tries to do the same against his good nature. Believing that Anakin chose the dark side for the same reason, when in reality, he did it to save the person he loved and out of desperation. Where they take Kylo in 8 could make his arc really, really strong writing.
KeeperoftheSeeds ยท 1179 points ยท Posted at 02:53:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm excited to see someone else who thinks Kylo is a good character. I didn't understand the hate after TFA. I thought his character was interesting from the beginning. Adam Driver is bringing his all for the role
Techn0Goat ยท 777 points ยท Posted at 03:03:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of people thought, "He's whiny, so he sucks." But that actually made him so much more interesting. So many Star wars villains have just been big tough dudes, it was cool to see someone so overcome with emotion.
milk_bone ยท 404 points ยท Posted at 03:19:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely. Kylo is utterly tortured and Adam Driver does an amazing job. The emotions that play on Kylo's face in every scene give so much depth to his character. I think he is the most interesting character in the new installment.
Techn0Goat ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 03:33:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely. Darth Vader is great and all, but he was the villain for 3 movies straight (Understandable, as it was a more cohesive narrative), and then we got Maul, Dooku, and Grievous. They were all pretty similar in terms of that kind of archetype of character. Not exactly the same, but kind of similar personality wise. Kylo Ren was just so refreshing. Also that introduction of him just stopping the blaster bolt in mid air was just so cool. Showed his strength, and then the rest of the movie showed why him having that strength is something to be feared.
lightgrip ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:06:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, agreed. He was my favourite thing about TFA. Iโm convinced heโll turn full circle, either turning away from the dark side or sacrificing himself at the end of the next episode, as Vader did.
Ecko09 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:07:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope he survives.
Ecko09 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:07:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope he survives.
Tilltre ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:13:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I totally agree
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 11:28:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think Rian could make Kylo interesting. But in TFA he wasnโt really portrayed as anything more than an emo manchild with a red lightsaber.
Donโt get me wrong, Adam Driver is a phenomenal actor. But like most things in the sequel trilogy, Kylo is a B-list version of a superior character that came before him and had the same story progression. He is Darth Vader.
milk_bone ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:52:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I disagree completely. I don't think he is an emo manchild. I think he was an extremely powerful, angry young padawan who had the legacy of his family thrust upon him. He was seduced by power and the dark side and is now constantly in agony over the path he has chosen. He wants to be completely strong and all powerful, but has to fight the pull back to the light. We are watching a villain in the process of trying to extinguish all lightness and good from his own being, and the suffering he endures as he does so is clearly immense. If it ends up looking like a caricature of a villain, it's because he isn't what he tries so hard to be. Wrapped up in all of it is this twisted and misguided hero worship of Vader, a man who could not have been more different from Kylo. Vader walked a path of wanting so desperately to bring goodness and light and peace to the galaxy, with just enough fear and arrogance and just enough of a thirst for power to make him susceptible to the dark side. His turn to the dark side was driven by desperation and love and a hail mary to save the person he loved most in the world. Kylo and Vader could not have had more starkly different paths to the dark side. I maintain that Kylo is interesting, and as the viewer watching him, knowing this is the child of Han and Leia, named after goddamn Obi Wan, you can't help but grieve and search his face for a sign that he is not completely lost yet.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:35:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He wishes.
blow_hard ยท 104 points ยท Posted at 03:48:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which is doubly frustrating, because he does not actually whine about a single thing. He shows emotion (and conflict!) but I do not remember a single whine.
AFatBlackMan ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:16:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He does throw tantrums like a kid though
BlameTheButler ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 05:31:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sith/Dark Sider Users tend to do that. If they don't get their way or if things don't go as plan they usually trash something or kill someone.
blow_hard ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:28:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can call it that if you like, still not the same thing as being whiny though.
Dr_MB ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:34:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, Luke and Anakin were both fairly whiny when they were younger.
cavelioness ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:42:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's a Skywalker for sure
ThaNorth ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:53:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Dark Side is all about letting your emotions go and embracing them. The Jedi bottle everything up like wannabe alpha males.
OMGILOVEVIDEOGAMES ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:39:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I always wonder if people who complain about Kylo being whiney saw the same movie I did.
blow_hard ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:36:54 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They saw the movie they wanted to see? Or not? It mystifies me as well.
sixpackabs592 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:39:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He hasnโt been on a sandy planet yet
ThaNorth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's been on Jakku.
blow_hard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:39:04 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure all the salt on Crait will be sufficiently coarse and irritating to provoke a spectacular tantrum indeed
MagikarpFilet ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 04:03:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He is a true sith. Heโs using his emotions to guide him. The Jedi code states, โThere is no emotion.โ
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:40:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which is why the jedi suck and are/were obsolete. You can't just erase emotion out of creatures. That isn't natural.
PormanNowell ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:36:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And their hubris lead to their downfall
PotentPortable ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 06:37:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's basically Prince Zuko from Avatar
tallestgoose ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:46:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
OMG thats the best comparison ive seen thus far
tallestgoose ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:46:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
OMG thats the best comparison ive seen thus far
hellofromsc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:49:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HONOR!
JoseJimenezAstronaut ยท 69 points ยท Posted at 04:09:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I never saw Kylo as whiny. Anakin was whiny. Kylo is angry, seething, like Anakin should have been. Kylo has the makings of a great villain.
otherwiseguy ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 04:36:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"I was going into Tosche Station to pick up some power converters!"
Heroes can be whiny.
murderbunny ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:36:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"convurtuuuuuhhrrs"
FTFY
Wallywallsthe2nd ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 07:44:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Personally I just really like the concept of an insecure villain. It changes the dynamics in interesting ways.
rightoff303 ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 03:58:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
His story is absolutely the most compelling in this new trilogy.
RonWisely ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 04:02:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I hated when Anakin never whined or cried.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:15:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol
BetterCallSal ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 05:19:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In TFA kylo was a kid playing dress-up. He wanted to be like his grandfather. He made some major decisions and did some major things he can't take back. I'm pretty sure he's completely lost it and for him everything just became very real. Hence the reason he smashes his helmet. He's not playing a game anymore
enkidomark ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:29:32 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This makes me wonder how much of his back story we're going to get in flashbacks. There's still a lot we don't know.
HolbiWan ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 04:29:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well Anakin and Luke were whiny as hell, so itโs a familial trait. Well cast and well acted.
cgo_12345 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 04:13:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah he's like Anakin done right.
jesus_sold_weed ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:37:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs like Holden from Catcher in the Rye. A lot of people hate him for the same reasons while completely overlooking what makes him an interesting character.
Heatmiser70 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:10:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AND he can stop a blaster bolt in midair with barely a gesture. I liked his complexity as well. I'll be interested to see if/how him killing his father affected him.
Ihaveopinionstoo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:36:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
all I saw was great anger
Itsnotapenguin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:03:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with you and I think Kylo is all right. Not a huge fan but he is interesting so hope to see more of him. My problem with him as dark side antagonist is that there was so little to fear from the dark side. Snoke did to little to spark my complete interest and Kylo wasn't enough to make a believable enemy here.
Jmonster77 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:04:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Especially when unchecked emotion is a common dark side trait.
nixmix06 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:22:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course heโs whiny, heโs a Skywalker.
nosleeptilmanhattan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:13:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's not even actually whiny though. Not a single petulant moment out of him. He's a whirlpool of negative emotions, but he's far more seething than whiny.
nixmix06 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:19:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You donโt find the lightsaber temper tantrum to be petulant?
nosleeptilmanhattan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:30:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Petulance entails inaction and pouting and passive aggression- like, a good example of a petulant villain, imo, is Ronan the Accuser in GOTG. He's played totally straight as a threat, but he spends the other half of his screentime making a >:C face and complaining. Kylo doesn't do that.
The lightsaber tantrum seemed more like he's incapable of interpreting negative emotions as anything but sheer explosive rage. Petulance would actually suggest a restraint he lacks.
ravens52 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:47:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds familiar...Can't put my finger on a villain who could have possibly been overcome with emotion in a Star Wars film... Maybe it'll hit me later when I take a trip to Tattooine and talk to some of the locals. Probably not, though.
karma3000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:32:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought he was whiny in a dark helmet kind of way.
DaysPastoftheFuture ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:58:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not because his character is whinney. It's because his character is 30 and whinney.
enkidomark ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:27:00 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously. Anyone who hates whiners needs to rewatch ANH and pay attention to Luke. Whining is practically the bedrock of this franchise. C3P0 whined his way through the trilogy and get "beloved sidekick" status. I believe Kylo will be well regarded after the sequel trilogy is finished. Maybe we're a little too close to it now.
GetEquipped ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:43:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, personal opinion; it's just that the actor didn't seem to come off as emotionally conflicted or "embracing" the Dark Side of Anger; just seem frustrated and entitled.
I'm sure it was more down to prep time and the director being unsure the direction of the character instead of the actor's skills though as he seems significantly more focused on this one.
ibisum ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 05:33:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gotta rake in those teenage drama queen bucks, yo.
thejakebaylor ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 03:16:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo is such an incredible character. The way that, when you first see him, he's clearly trying to be Vader and presents himself as this badass, loose-canon super darkside villain, but then the mask comes off and you see how completely unsure of himself and confused with his place he is. Then killing his father (do I need to put a spoiler tag at this point?), thinking that will push him fully into the darkside. I'm so excited to see where 8 and 9 take us with him!
rift_in_the_warp ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:36:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly I kind of think Kylo didn't actually kill him. Han died, that much is obvious, but I really felt like that scene showed Kylo was starting to realize he's in way over his head (especially when he says he knows what he has to do, but he doesn't know if he has the strength to go through with it). I think that by turning on the lightsaber for him, and sacrificing himself to save his son from Snoke, Han helped kylo from taking that step to the dark side.
DarthCerebroX ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:34:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait what? Han didnโt turn on the lightsaber. You could clearly see Kylo turned it on, and you can even see that moment of shock/surprise on Hanโs face when the lightsaber went through him. I think Han honestly believed Kylo was going to give in and go home with him or something.
kylebucket ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 03:15:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thought he was one of the best characters in recent memory. Felt unstable on screen. I believed he truly didnโt know his own mind. Favorite enemy since Maul (at least they didnโt kill Kylo off as fast as him).
jason_in_sd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:47:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maul wasn't killed off that fast. He lived across three movies and three seasons of Rebels. Timeline wise he basically died just before A New Hope.
jasonbl1974 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:08:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maul lived across 3 movies? What?!
rift_in_the_warp ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:38:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's technically off screen for most of it, but he shows up again in the Clone Wars cgi series, and in the Rebels CGI series.
jason_in_sd ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:00:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Canon Timeline:
Phantom Menace - Maul is introduced. Kills Qui-Gon. Gets chopped in half by Obi-Wan. But lives by force grabbing an air vent and swinging into the trash chute.
Attack of the Clones - (Maul is not seen)
The Clone Wars - Maul is shown again, this time with weird spider leg things. He is ultimately given cybernetic legs. And seeks his revenge on Obi Wan and the Sith. Maul had joined, and become leader of, the Deathwatch. One of the best fight scenes of all of The Star Wars canon was the Maul/Pre-Vizla fight. He fights Darth Sidious also, another great fight. Yadda yadda, he loses and goes into hiding.
Revenge of the Sith - (Not seen)
Rebels - a much older Maul is still around, looking for some ancient sith super weapon. Meets up with Ezra and Kanan. Fights them a little, helps them a little, yadda yadda... Obi Wan, now Old Ben, finds him and kills him
A New Hope - (He dead)
So yes... He lived across three movies.
jasonbl1974 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:20:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Great - Thanks for all the info!
kylebucket ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:40:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I donโt watch the damn cartoons or comics and shit. The Phantom Menace he was introduced (awesome and terrifying) and died about an hour later. If I never see him again, idc if heโs hypothetically alive. That doesnโt do anything for me.
jason_in_sd ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:51:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not really trying to fight with you on this one. But I don't care about your movie/animated series watching preferences. He didn't "die about an hour later." He survived that fight and lived for many more years.
"Idc if he's hypothetically alive" - not hypothetically alive...Just alive.
Like it or not, that's canon.
kylebucket ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:35:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Listen SW nerd, I know you want to be 100% factually accurate because this is your nerdy domain. But, the reality is, you donโt see his ass in another movie. He appeared in one, thatโs it. He was a badass character that wasnโt utilized enough. Dead, alive, doesnโt matter. How many SW fans do you think watch or read all the EXTRA shit? I think itโs safe to assume most have followed the movies and thatโs what they know. If you watch cartoons and read the books in your spare time, great. I donโt have time for that shit.
Downvote the shit out of this, I give 0 internet karma fucks.
PormanNowell ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:40:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rather ironic coming from someone on a star wars subreddit, don't you think?
kylebucket ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:56:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Considering it was on the popular page, no. Donโt you think?
jason_in_sd ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:31:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
๐
You know that it's ok to be wrong about something, right? You're here, in a Star Wars subreddit, and said something incorrect about Maul. Got corrected. And went on a tirade about it.
Just take the L and move on bro.
kylebucket ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:46:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm being told I took an L from a guy who plays Pokรฉmon and watches cartoon Star Wars. Iโve seen it all now.
The dude took one word, โkilledโ, literal and couldnโt see past the fact that I was referring to we never saw him again. Clearly, youโre as dense as he is.
jason_in_sd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:21:18 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
LMAO, you just can't take the L, can you?
And I'm SUPER intrigued by the fact that you are disparaging people who watch Star Wars... IN THE STAR WARS SUBREDDIT.
As for the Pokemon thing, I don't even know where that came from. I haven't played Pokemon since I was 10. But again, not really relevant to the fact that you took the L on your Darth Maul comment, lol.
MocodeHarambe ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 03:07:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And also that nice hair
KrazyTrumpeter05 ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 03:01:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's so utterly conflicted, I loved it.
the_umm_guy ยท 105 points ยท Posted at 03:02:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the small fits of rage that he had kinda ruined him in TFA for a lot of people. He didn't have the same shroud of mystery Vader did because he let his emotions hang out too much. But I dunno. I'm kinda drunk.
StagOfMull ยท 86 points ยท Posted at 03:07:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought it showed how conflicted and distraught he is. Think about it. He wants to embrace the dark side but doesn't feel evil.
Compare him with other sith we have seen. They were all so certain of themselves. Kylo is utterly uncertain. He doesn't know who he is. He thinks he knows who he wants to be, but ultimately he cannot fully be that so where does he stand?
haffbaked ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:27:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right? For once we have a character that WANTS to be bad, but almost feels like he has to be good.
Especially considering Kylo has to live with his betrayal of Luke, who is his role model's son...
Flexappeal ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:30:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's what makes him well written. Like, the dark side is cool and all but come on, most Sith are tropes back to front. Evil for evil's sake. They're more caricatures than people. Kylo feels like a person.
Dikardo ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:27:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because, Snoke is hiding the true nature of the darkside?
Galtrand ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:37:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo is Theon Greyjoy
Totally_Triggered ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:46:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
(Reversed Anakin)Theon Greyjoy
trousertitan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:18:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also, I think showing that when he's frustrated he just maybe slashes at some stuff reveals he's not as evil as other sith, whereas darth vader would just fucking murder people if something went wrong.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:47:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's a pretty clear indication that he is not lost, not quite yet.
Think about it, you give Vader some bad news what happens? He accepts your apology and someone else gets your job.
You give Kylo some bad news what happens? You call maintenance and tell them the consoles in Room 318C need replacing.
fairlywired ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:07:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought the fight between him and Rey in TFA was quite telling too. He hits his blaster wound, causing himself more pain and suffering to try and fuel his link to the dark side. These aren't the actions of someone with a deep connection to the dark side, rather the actions of someone trying to hold on to whatever tenuous grasp of the dark side they have.
giraffaclops ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 03:34:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But that's the point. He's not Darth Vader, but he thinks he is. He's not as disciplined, or confident in his convictions. But he thinks he is. He's a character, not a manufactured icon meant to replicate Vader.
the_umm_guy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:36:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I totally agree, I just think the final execution wasn't done as well as it could've been. I speculate that's the reason so many dismissed Kylo as a character. I personally like him, but can see how others don't/wouldn't.
giraffaclops ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:37:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fair enough
NanoGeek ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 03:36:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought Kylo was brilliant. J. J. Abrams knew they couldnโt make a villain as iconic as Darth Vader, so they made a villain who was trying and failing to be the next Vader.
the_umm_guy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:42:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I kinda agree. I think making a sith to rival Vader would be hard as fuck. I'm not sure that was his main motivation. Also, Snoke got me thinking the emperor was a 'lil bitch. So I dunno.
wabawanga ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:25:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought it was great. It shows how dangerous and unstable he was, to have all that power and test still be ruled by emotion. Kinda like having a petulant child with the nuclear codes.
burningblacksun ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:54:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I felt he was more interesting because of his fits. it showed instability and what I feel like is something he could tap into for his darkside abilities. It made me feel like he's a madman that could take on anyone.
SilentNinjaMick ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:09:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Drunk enough to give valid criticisms ya mad dog. I like the character, and am excited to see what they do with them in this film but you're right, he was childish with his little tantrums in TFA which I guess ruined it for some.
Badloss ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:25:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the whole point is that he's childish. until now all dark side have been masters in full control, it's cool to have a dark Jedi that actually shows some rage and passion
the_umm_guy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:30:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but when he was beating his light saber into the control panel I audibly laughed out loud at how silly it was. It went on for way too long in my opinion. A quick strike showing his petulence would've been much better imo.
I like Kylo, but I can get how some wouldn't like the execution.
signmeupreddit ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:26:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This "shroud of mystery" made Vader, to me, a boring character. He had almost no personality or motivations. Even the emperor was more interesting.
blow_hard ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:49:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, the prequels have plenty to complain about, but I really appreciate what they did to make us understand why Anakin became Darth Vader.
bckesso ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:03:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In the beginning, Vader was "menacing" but not "interesting". In the start of this trilogy, Kylo is "interesting" but not "menacing". Great subversion in my opinion.
Hennashan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:02:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thatโs what I liked about Kylo. He wasnโt totally in control of his emotions and feelings as Vader APPEARED to be. Heโs a conflicted villain.
the_umm_guy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:27:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But isn't that what made Vader so great? We thought he was in control of his emotions but he actually wasn't? They made to many callbacks to grand daddy for him to not be compared to that formidable figure.
Hennashan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:33:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He is comparable yeah. But he doesnโt know the real story about his grandfather. But like him he is struggling with doing what he believes is right and what is right. Heโs still young and very powerful. His emotions make him act out or be impulsive. But he believes in the cult of personality of Vader and strives to be like that. Little does he know heโs more like Vader then he knows.
the_umm_guy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:53:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with you, the struggle is there. However, we never really see Vader act out in a similar manner. In my drunken condition I'd say the biggest break we ever see by Vader is his force choke on Admiral Motti. I'm obviously removing the child murder from the prequels as that is 'pre' Vader.
I'd argue he's less like Vader than he knows. Vader attempted the Darkside switch presumably because he thought he could save those he loved. I think Kylo has misinterpreted his ancestor's actions and overcompensated. Thinking he needed to kill his father to gain Vader status. What we've got is a super badass angsty teenager who thinks his grandaddy was super cool (not that I disagree). But I think his propensity towards the darkside is where the Vader comparison ends.
IMO Luke is much more similar to Vader considering how he can relate to both sides of the equation. I've often thought that might make him the true balance to the force. But I'm realllyyyy drunnnnkkkkkkkkk and going to bed now. Been fun talking with everyone. NIGHT!
PormanNowell ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:42:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But that's because he wasn't supposed to be Vader 2.0. Him wanting to be like Vader but failing makes it more interesting than just making the same guy all over again
nosleeptilmanhattan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:14:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Having no proper outlet for his emotions except sudden ragebursts does not a whiner make.
TheDoors1 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:56:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My biggest problem was....he took off the mask
the_umm_guy ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:59:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah... But he's also Adam Driver... You can't have a mask fuckin' that up for the ticket sales. He a good lookin' dude.
totalysharky ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:29:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I, personally, only cared about who he was when he put on the mask.
nosleeptilmanhattan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:16:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I kind of get the impression that the rest of the FO gets that the mask is an affectation to begin with. Hux is completely unsurprised to see him unmasked in front of Snoke.
TheDoors1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:40:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True, but the mask is what made vader
[deleted] ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 03:36:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If by small fits of rage, you mean acting like a whiny bitch, then yes, that completely ruined him in the movie for me.
ThinWhiteDuke72 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 03:29:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Adam Driver is fantastic.
GoldJadeSpiceCocoa ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 05:04:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's because he killed Han, and that shocked a lot of people. But after a while I've come to realize just how masterful a character Kylo is.
King-fannypack ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 03:33:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He is what Anakin Skywalker should have been- full of rage, fits of vicious anger and a predisposition towards the dark side. Not a brooding whiner.
derpyco ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:15:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Adam Driver has got serious heat and I can't wait to see his arc
NihiloZero ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:47:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People aren't accustomed to villains being so weak and vulnerable. Imagine Luke in Episode V if he was on the Dark Side... that's basically what Kylo was in Episode VII. Not a particularly likable character.
Fe1406 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:50:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He was the best thing about the movie! I guess I just start skipping comments or reviews if there are complaints about Kylo / Driver.
Dark-Porkins ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:15:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They did say that it would be very divisive between fans...its possible it's because many fans see Kylo as irredeemable for killing Han...and if he turns good it will piss a lot of people off. Not me.
Solid_Freakin_Snake ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:18:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's because for us as an audience, we know Anakin's full story and motivations, so we apply our knowledge in the judgement of Kylo.
I admit I was a hater until someone pointed out his motivarions similar to the dude you replied to. Now I appreciate how conflicted a character he is.
kaian-a-coel ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:55:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you take TFA alone, Kylo is a weak character. But it's a stupidly good base for a trilogy character. The people who love him see what could happen in VIII and IX, the possibilities. The ones who hate him either don't see it or don't trust disney to do it justice (which I can understand.)
doomgoblin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:05:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo is my favorite character from TFA, I donโt understand the hate, either. Wait I mean Matt, the technician.
Eddie_Shepherd ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:18:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I fell like they could have avoided the whiny complaints by having him not use his light saber in a pissy fit of rage. Instead have a call back to when Vader is told Padme died. Kylo screams and things around him get destroyed. Showing uncontrolled power rather than a teenage hissy fit.
CL60 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:02:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People expected him to be a badass sith, so automatically anything that wasn't that sucks. But really his character is great.
ThaNorth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:52:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The majority of people think Kylo is the best character in the new franchise. He's a villain with depth. He's not just some ultimate villain who's evil for the sake of being evil.
Kylo Ep7>>>>Vader Ep4
PormanNowell ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:35:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really enjoy his character and think it's probably the strongest one introduced in the new films. His motivations and relationships feel fleshed out and real
zombietiger ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:18:52 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly think it was that scene where he takes off the mask and you see the baby face. Shit made me laugh at the theatre. But I love his arc, and do hope they make it strong by the last one.
mrwynd ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:16:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hi from r/all I'm a Trekkie who loves Kylo. He's a conflicted, interesting character. Is there really that much Kylo hate in Star Wars circles?
Ecko09 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:14:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, just some
shark2pus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:43:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think when you murder your father in cold blood and are just murdery in general, you're not a good dude.
KeeperoftheSeeds ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:05:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good (interesting) character /= Good Guy
Kulban ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:11:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's definitely the most intriguing and fleshed-out sith/darkside person we've seen at this stage (one movie to get to know them).
Brook420 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:41:05 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I blame the temper tantrum.
Colonelclank242 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:31:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I liked kylo. Still was tremendously disappointed by TFA. In fact I liked all the characters, just thought the film was crap.
normanbailer ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:01:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course he's good. Han Solo(Harrison Ford) no longer wants to go on, Kyle puts him out of his press junket misery. Carrie Fishers family won't let Disney CGI her in the movies going forward, Here's Kylo! He's just doing The Mouse's dirty work.
Herlock ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 07:16:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Beyond the "he looks like a tokyo hotel fan", his character is outright moronic in TFA...
His special mission by Snoke is to get the map to Luke, so he does ham on jakku to get shit done.
Turns out he fucks up and can't secure the map. Goes back to his ship, tortures whoever he found to get info.
Knows it's still on the planet... but can't be harssed with doing it himself, so just sends of stormtroopers while he goes back touching himself in his quarters in front of grand dad posters...
This kind of BS keeps on during the entire movie...
It's worse than Kylo being a bad character, it's the story that doesn't do him justice.
Cruciblelfg123 ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 03:18:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly my thought after the first movie was, not that kylo was a good character, but that he has too much good conflicting in him to be a true smith (or whatever they are now). My guess was that kylo is to much of a pussy and ends up being slaughtered by Rey who has the kind of true darkness inside her to truely fulfill the role. Then I figured in the end it would be the firceless heroes against her and she may or may not pull a Vader right at the end.
I_regret_boneitis ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:25:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I seems to me strange that, after training with Luke, he must know what happened in the death star and about Vader redemption, but still he acts like Vader died as he was in ESB
Plus IMO Anakin embraced the dark side mostly for power, Padme's premonition dreams only fueled his lust for power, not selfless sacrifice
I fear that Kyle will sacrifice himself to kill snoke in ep IX, if so, his arc will be pretty pointless
Ecko09 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:15:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, he knows. He just thinks it was a moment of weakness.
Ecko09 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:15:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, he knows. He just thinks it was a moment of weakness.
TheMastersSkywalker ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:07:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah at first he was just a knockoff jacen solo to me but he's really starting to grow on me
nosleeptilmanhattan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:19:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have you seen that one Jacen portrait from 1998 that looks just like him? They did SUCH good casting for a Harrison/Carrie kid.
TheMastersSkywalker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:26:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No what one was it.? Honestly I don't think Kylo looks that much like Han or Leia.
nosleeptilmanhattan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:34:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not 1:1, but close enough: http://78.media.tumblr.com/df27819ad9aa6643f67f4d71e79f0e09/tumblr_inline_o022mvrIBR1qe3wqt_250.jpg
The prominent nose, heavy-lidded eyes, and full lips in particular; the eyebrows not quite so much.
zaphod_beeble_bro ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:09:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anakin's ghost: I din't choose the dark side Kylo, the dark side chose me!
Hungover_Pilot ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:30:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo will play the opposite role of Vader. Don't @ me
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:30:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs-a-me, Mario, and I love lasagna!
Hungover_Pilot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:31:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. Wtf?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:07:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anakin is the epitome of betrayal. He was betrayed by the emperor as much a s he betrayed the Jedi and the Jedi betrayed him.
His entire story is of a young scared slave boy swept into a political world far far far beyond his understanding. The clone wars made sense to Anakin. See droid, destroy droid.
All the intrigue and politicking was so beyond him it became his entire downfall by ignorantly be living in his path of 'good' intent to the very end.
Kylo missed all of this he only understands Vader the Enforcer. Not the kid trapped in a prison of his own design.
Kylo is fated to be good no matter what he does as much as Anakin was fated to be evil.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:24:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is why I struggle with his character. It feels like he shouldnโt be inherently evil like Palpatine was (essentially a sociopath). Anakin had good intentions. Kylo trying to kill Leia, too? Not really believable
Ecko09 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 09:16:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, you can see in trailer his hesitation. I bet he doesn't shoot.
lostglamour ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:13:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm hoping that scene wasn't a misdirect, it could be an awesome screen between mother and son and their force bond.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:40 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree. Holy shit was Carrie a good actor. Imagine Rianโs direction:
โOk Carrie, your fake son who killed your fake husband is in a spaceship, and so are you, and heโs coming to kill you. As he approaches, sit down and stare off into the distance as if some overwhelming dread gnaws at you and you see whatโs about to happen. Got it? Dope OK action.โ
At she fucking NAILS it. Look at her face. My God, I miss her.
kinglucent ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:12:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No kidding! I think his arc is the most compelling part of the new trilogy for exactly this reason.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:00:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And he has fantastic hair.
winglerw28 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:38:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you draw parallels, this line of thinking would make perfect sense for a role reversal between Kylo and Rey. Think about Rey's motivations and history - a lack of parental presence as a major motivating character development point, a strong sense of pull based on emotion, etc.
We have seen this before.
Sailor_Gallifrey ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:21:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
His line about finishing what Vader started sums up what I think his character will be. Vader redeemed himself but immediately died, so we didn't get to see what would have happened him next. The Rebellion certainly wouldn't have welcomed him with opened arms, and he had rejected the Empire. We might get to see that in Kylo Ren; he abandons the first order, but can he go to the resistance? From what we're seeing in the trailer I'm not sure Luke would even trust him (which would be an amazing arc on its own, Luke being the only one who believed there was still good in Vader refusing to do the same for Ben).
I believe that what Darth Vader started (turning away from the dark side), Kylo Ren will finish (living on and dealing with the repercussions).
DustyGozangaz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:01:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well put flex.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:15:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ironic
Unglossed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:31:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fantastic character and well cast.
RoaminRonin13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:45:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well put! Iโm using this argument the next time I find myself defending the character - I promise to source it to โsome geek in Redditโ ;)
TheDreadPirateHam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:30:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If this theory is true, then Snoke knows nothing of the force, or the dark side. Snoke would be completely failing in showing Kylo Ren the ways of the force to allow Kylo to have a great misunderstanding of the dark side.
nosleeptilmanhattan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:21:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't there a theory that Snoke isn't even Force sensitive and just collects lieutenants who are?
Aeceus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:47:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure Kylo is going to reverse it and embrace the light side to save Luke and Rey in the last film.
kotor610 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:03:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nope, just had a lot of bacteria in his blood
JBABSTER ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:38:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If he's going to be reverse Anakin, and he's flying now, that means in episode 9 we'll get Kylo racing pods.
ShadowPhoenix22 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:11:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's an interesting direction, yes.
g0kartmozart ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:10:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It sucks that Rey is such a bad character compared to Kylo. Their refusal to give Rey a backstory has made her very flat, and now the only way they can give us a cohesive backstory is if she's the daughter of one of the old characters, on which case she still won't be anywhere near as interesting as Kylo.
Finn is a great character too. Shame.
Flexappeal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:27:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We'll see. Yeah she was a flat mary sue but one of the few good things about your character being a blank slate is you have plenty of room to go in weird directions. if she's still the same bland bowl of oatmeal by the end of this film i'll probably just concede her as a bad character.
johnyann ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:31:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unless he does, and he's been spying on Snoke as per Luke's orders.
Flexappeal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:41:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
spoopy
schmuck-in-plaid ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:07:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What I'm afraid of is JJ Abrams doing what he did with Ep. 7, which was basically the same movie as Ep. 4. I really want something new storyline wise that doesn't "run home to momma" so to speak.
stubbazubba ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:51:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy fuck, it rhymes and everything.
sazzab92 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:05:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
and with the shot of him walking with those troopers mirroring the entering of the temple in III I squeeeeeeeeed
dizjedi ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:07:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That was my favorite shot in all the prequels. The way his silhouette is in front of the clone troopers and the framing of the scene was perfect. I love how they pay homage to it in this trailer.
Ecko09 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:17:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let's hope it is accompanied by as great music as Anakin's scene.
Ecko09 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:18:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let's hope it is accompanied by as great music as Anakin's scene.
NihiloZero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:42:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would explain Vader's smashed helmet in the earlier trailer.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:50:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think initially it is smashed because he realizes he needs to be his own man, but that journey of finding his identity he could redeem himself.
Binturung ยท 701 points ยท Posted at 02:40:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Been thinking that for a while now. Kylo at the end there is probably reaching out to Luke, and Rey turned to Snoke after Luke gets cold feet after seeing what she's got.
The Last Jedi will be Kylo's redemption arc, and Episode 9 will be him trying to turn Rey back.
Edit: guys, she can be allowed to fail. Too many comments suggesting it can't happen because she's female. Pretty condescending if you ask me. I trust Lucasfilm to give us a great story, and I just think this is a valid route they can take it.
Flexappeal ยท 418 points ยท Posted at 02:50:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's a fucking neat angle. The ambiguity of the title is fun in and of itself.
My personal hunch is that Luke is too afraid to train Rey based on her power, so she runs to Kylo who brings her before Snoke and Kylo/Rey go out on their own and 9 focuses on Poe and Finn trying to find and save Rey, Luke assists and Snoke clashes with him in the climax where Rey makes her final choice.
perogies ยท 198 points ยท Posted at 03:06:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to watch Luke fight Snoke so badly.
redwoodclock2 ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 03:09:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And then luke dies to snoke just like obi wan to vader.
Woolfus ยท 65 points ยท Posted at 03:46:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But that would make Luke more powerful than Snoke can imagine.
Ecko09 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:19:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if Snoke can imagine?
perogies ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 03:10:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would break my heart but i can see it happening.
mbp214 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 03:29:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He wouldn't die, he would become more powerful then you could ever imagine
jdsrockin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:30:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So Snoke would cause you to die of a broken heart then? Jeez they are rehashing the prequels too?
Ecko09 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 09:19:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I suddenly don't want to watch it.
Ecko09 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:19:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I suddenly don't want to watch it.
TheSmokey1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:46:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This. I don't see Luke making it out alive by the end. Even Chewie. I feel like this trilogy is the swan song for all of the original players.
Mirions ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:25:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wouldnt it be something if only Chewie makes it out alive when all is said and done?
gamigo-group ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:42:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We want this too! <3 SW
Imdalionking ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:02:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It would be like fight club since he'll be fighting himself
Quaaraaq ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:11:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think that will happen, Snoke fears Luke, and for good reason, he is likely beyond him in a physical fight.
perogies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:13:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What are you basing that on? Is there some official literature I havenโt read or something?
BlackPresident ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 03:59:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Remember, the bad guys win at the end of the middle episode.
jesstmoody ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:16:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There needs to be a subreddit for comments that actually turned out to be true.
souporwitty ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:51:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And thus begins the duality.
stitchy1503 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:23:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo and Rey kill snoke together, and together reform the Sith order and are the big bads for Episode 9!
CrazyShepard ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:24:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if he's afraid for different reasons? Maybe Luke is upset because Rey found him too early and he has no plans for how to deal with Snoke yet.
Veternus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:57:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
K...K...Kylo is the last Jedi? :O
pantsoff ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 03:20:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If Rey turns to the dark side imagine how many little girls and their dadโs are going to cry their eyes out.
Binturung ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 03:21:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It will be glorious! And a good life lesson.
robustability ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:37:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's actually a really good point, haha.
parzalot ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:55:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Although the force is always supposed to be balanced, currently on the dark side the two main players are snoke (ultra powerful) and Kylo (semi powerful) and on the light side Luke (who we assume to be ultra powerful) and Rey (semi powerful). Unless Iโm missing something obvious it has always been this way, so you couldnโt have both Rey and Kylo on the same side of the force
whogivesashirtdotca ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 03:01:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Judging by the trailer, Rey is the ultra powerful one.
parzalot ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:02:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe, but for now she doesnโt really know how to control it, and if she was ultra powerful the Luke or snoke would need to die
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:09:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
..wat
W00DERS0N ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:18:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Por que no los dos?
TheOwlSaysWhat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:40:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Porque el balance
W00DERS0N ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:18:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And Luke is the only one who knows what the power can do.
carpleror ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 03:32:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This assessment has so many different viewpoints, and it all comes down to Luke's line "I've seen this raw strength only once before. It didn't scare me enough then. It does now." Was it Vader's power that didn't scare him enough? Was it his own? Is it Ray's power that scares him now? Is it Kylo's? Is it still his own?! Does he see himself turning to the dark side, becoming his father?
I think that line is the single most important piece of the trailer. It's going to lay the groundwork for the rest of the trilogy.
theObfuscator ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 03:49:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It seems pretty likely based but n TFA that the power that didn't scare him enough was Kylo's- which led Kyle to destroy all Luke had built to restore the Jedi.
themidnitesnack ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:49:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I immediately assumed he was referring to Rey's strength now and Kylo's strength as what he saw before.
Edit: but it'd be cool to be thrown off of that assumption. I'm game for most anything really, it's just my mind immediately went there and that rarely happens.
Bigspartandaddy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:36:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
IMO heยดs talking about the Empire and the New Order.
TimeTurnedFragile ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:01:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rey and Kylo are definitely both ultra-powerful
MocodeHarambe ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 03:10:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like Gohan and Trunks before they shitted all over their arc?
Poc4e ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:14:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Star Ball Z
themidnitesnack ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:53:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For sure. Both mentors are currently (maybe more than them ATM) powerful but are both aware of how crazy powerful Kylo & Rey will be with the proper training setting.
Cuban_Beefcake ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:45:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Based on the trailer both Kylo and Rey are more powerful than Luke himself. Luke states he's only seen this much raw power once before and he wasn't afraid of it then but he is now. The only reason to be afraid is he has no chance of matching it.
I believe that Luke is going to be shown to be very powerful. But Rey cracking the ground just by meditating is on another level. How long did it take Luke to learn to lift a stone with the force? At the same level Rey is unconsciously effecting the environment around her, to a degree that at the same point in his training Luke would have had to use all his energy to accomplish that.
Which is all to say, when fully trained Rey and Kylo will both be more than a match for Luke or Snoke.
Binturung ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:19:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not how this shindig works at all!
Seriously, there's a reason why George insisted that defeating the Sith meant bringing balance to the Force: Because they were using the Dark Side to attain their goes, which disrupts the Force.
The Force is order, and the Dark Side is chaos. The Force wants everything in order, as it keeps life in the galaxy going. This is why beings like Anakin come into existence, the Force needs agents to go forth and trouble shoot it's aliments, aka Dark Side users.
Just watch, that role was to fall to Ben, but when he got corrupted, Rey was the back up agent.
fuckitidunno ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:30:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The problem I have with these proclamations of what Lucas said well over a decade ago is this simple fact: he no longer owns Star Wars and new canon seemingly overrides his view of the Darkside
Look, I know the guy had a vision, but, as it stands now, the Darkside seems to simply be a natural aspect of the Force.
Binturung ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:46:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not saying it's not a natural aspect of the Force. Everyone has their little dark aspects within themselves. In order for the Force to be healthy, it needs the Dark Side kept in check. Agents of the Dark Side (Sith) defeated equals a balanced Force.
Come on, people don't seriously think that both sides have to be perfectly in balance is what balance in the Force, do they?
Then again, people do think Grey Jedi should be a thing....
fuckitidunno ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:47:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In all honesty, I like the theory that Anakin was meant to destroy both the Sith and the Old Jedi, so Luke could be a fresh start.
Binturung ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:48:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Considering how much the Jedi Order was making a mess of things, that could be legit.
yomerol ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:16:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So, the Last Jedi ARE Skywalkers? Sounds good to me
therealflinchy ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:49:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Now That would be a damn good way to turn things around
beautifulbatch ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 05:02:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck, you think so? I feel like Disney wouldnโt follow through with Rey turning to the dark side, after they set her up as the Big hero of thee sequel trilogy. I think that angle is interesting but idk if I see that playing out
Binturung ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 05:16:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
After they let the Rogue One Team leads die in a fiery embrace, I think almost anything is on the table as long as it serves the overall story.
Also I just really want Kylo, Finn, and Luke to go wreck Snokes stuff to draw Rey back from the Dark Side, with Poe leading the space battle.
StaYqL ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:37:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I never kney I wanted exactly that so badly!
beautifulbatch ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:11:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But Rey is an established character. Plus rogue one had a completely different tone from he rest of the Star Wars films, it felt like a straight military film. Iโm willing to bet that the rest of the anthology films will have a different feel as well. So it wasnโt all surprising that everyone died. Sheโs the face of the new Star Wars. Children have dressed in Rey costumes for fun/Halloween believing she is one of the good guys. To have her all of a sudden switch up on us real quick is a little sus to me. I donโt think her turning to the dark and having kylo bring her back is feasible. I can see her being tempted by the dark side, but a full transformation I canโt wrap my head around
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:52:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As much as Lucas wants them to be, the films are not intended for small children.
MocodeHarambe ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:09:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If this is true Iโm looking forward to the sith eyes on Rey
rockyrainy ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:07:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would fit 6 really well (like how 7 paralleled 4). Kylo will turn Rey back to the light side by sacrificing himself. Solves the killing his father part.
Juke777 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:46:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No he will turn her back because she will be pregnant with his child and pursuing the dark side would take the child's life. So she will choose the light.
drivendreamer ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:15:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So great if it actually happens. I hope they switch sides
IamA_Werewolf_AMA ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:04:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So many Jedi make monsters by pussying out at the first hint of dark side - pretty much the story of the vast majority of fallen Jedi. I was hoping Luke might have learned from the past and we'd get a kinda "light grey" Kreia-ish Luke.
I kinda hope we don't tread that "potential Jedi goes bad because of ostracization" route, since it's even kinda like Anakin (pushed over the edge by Padme, but it was built up to by the Masters keeping him at arms length). I'd rather see her become disillusioned in this one but retain her resolve and go more grey, like an Ahsoka type.
Kulban ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:12:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The GenX fan of Star Wars since 1980 in me likes that idea.
However, the father of a 3 year-old daughter who looks at Rey the same way I used to for Luke, wants her to remain a hero.
0neek ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:24:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
big if true
chris9321 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:55:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Idk, That would make Lukeโs redemption and enlightenment of the balance of the force so weak.
walktall ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:36:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ya except itโs not going to be that the strong female lead needs to be saved by the guy again. It just isnโt.
NostalgiaZombie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:38:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know it's ok that women need men's help in physical situations right? Like it doesn't say anything bad about them as a person that men are more physically capable?
walktall ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:39:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I do, what do you think Disney thinks?
Binturung ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:57:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why not? Worked in KotoR, it'll be fine here. Even give us a nice emotional saber fight to end the trilogy on.
PM_me_British_nudes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:59:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As someone who enjoys watching the world burn, I hope there's not much of a Kylo redemption as we've already seen that happen with Vader. However having Rey turned to the dark side would be a pretty nifty twist.
Ecko09 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 09:31:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How about Kylo turning back to good side and not dying, having to deal with what he did. No easy escape like Vader.
Cloudy_mood ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:20:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
(Nods my head in agreement. Long pause) As long as they don't kill Luke I'm fine with whatever.
taintedxblood ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:26:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I seriously don't want another redemption story after having it in the original trilogy. Have a feeling that if Rey and Kylo are disillusioned with their masters, they're going to form their own order or band together for whatever reason and it ties in with the Last Jedi title.
Binturung ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But Jedi tales are instrictly tied into cycles of falls and redemption. With no long standing orders on either side, it's the primary vehicle in which Force users can experience conflict.
jumpuptothesky ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:31:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That really makes no sense. Would be cool though. But there's no way they just throw away the first star wars heroine. Why would she even join Snoke anyway?
Binturung ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:53:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But she's not the first SW heroine. First female Jedi main in a movie, sure, but first heroine is absolutely Leia. I'm rather disappointed that someone on this sub would even suggest that she wasn't.
In any case, I disagree, I think there's a solid chance they do turn her to the dark side. Don't forget her predatory pacing when she injured Kylo. You could see the rage just seething in her, it was very reminiscent of Anakin when he was facing down Obi-Wan. It was too deliberate for it not to be hinting at future conflicts within herself.
Luke was clearly afraid of her in the trailer. Guessing frustration at Luke being hesitant to train her after witnessing the extent of her raw power. She states she's needs someone to show her her place in these events. All Snoke really has to do is promise her that...and maybe suggest he knows the secret of her family, two things Luke might not be able to give her.
Guess we'll find out in two months.
themidnitesnack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:00:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just throwing one idea out there that comes to mind: Luke (in the trailer) may be referring to Rey when he says that he's seen that kind of power before and wasn't afraid of it then but is afraid of it now...maybe he turns being Rey's mentor down when he realizes this power he could potentially help bring out (again as with Kylo) from her then create someone dangerously strong again.
Rey's pretty damn set on being trained and learning her place in this whole situation, so maybe she does something desperate like thinking she could get trained by Snoke and still be able to turn away from the Dark side.
Matthias20x ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:25:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
god i hope you are wrong
Mst3kjedi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:29:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I actually think the rey Kylo thing is going to go in a completely other direction, Rey rejects Luke, Kylo, Snoke and the two end up leaving both to try and discover the mysteries of the Force for themselves.
ActuallyDevil ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:10:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Watch the trailer again. It's not Kylos Hand. This trailer is biiiig fuckery! I'm so excited!
Ecko09 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:31:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who's then it is? It is his clothes, it's not something Snoke wears.
ActuallyDevil ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:42:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Those are not Kylos clothes. He wears the structured stuff in his frame but the reaching-hand-person doesn't. I would guess it's General Hux.
Ecko09 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:58:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Them misdirections
Phifty2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:19:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, it isn't Luke's. Luke's right hand is robotic. Unless the fingers can bend backwards and form a fist on the top of the hand, which would be pretty cool, it's a left hand.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:57:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Similiar to KOTOR's storyline lost the "good" person on the ship, good person reveals they are now bad second to last planet, then you redeem them on the ship.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:20:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thereโs no way Rey turns bad at any point whatsoever. She is the consummate cliche Star Wars good guy
TerdVader ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:58:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is basically the โbest case scenarioโ I mentally built for myself after seeing The Force Awakens. I really hope this is how it pans out.
bckesso ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:24:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"That lightsaber...it belongs to me!"
What if it actually did? What if Luke let Ben train with Anakin's saber and gave it to Maz after Ben turned to the Dark Side? This is making me rethink that line now.
Maybe this isn't a bad angle after all. It might actually make things more interesting for he entire franchise.
TinyPotatoAttack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:34:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think this could certainly happen. Good theory. Personally, I think we're seeing a trend: the destiny of chosen ones (or protagonists in general) in the Star Wars universe. Rey's life is so similar to Anakin's, which is so similar to Luke's. Like Vader and Luke, Rey:
Was hopeless on a sand planet.
Dreamed of bigger things
Is a natural pilot
Stopped part of a sith threat
Defeated a Sith apprentice
Etc.
So, I think Rey is part of a chosen one cycle. First we had Vader, who balanced the force by cutting down the light side. Then we had Luke, who balanced it by cutting down the dark side. Then we have Rey who, if the cycle holds, will balance it by cutting down the light side once again. But something tells me this particular trilogy isnt going to follow the same old cycle again. It'll break it somehow. Rey will somehow be able to deviate from the chosen one path and successfully resist her destiny.
Whether that involves her choosing the dark side or not, we shall see.
burlycabin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:41:31 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rian Johnson flat out said that Luke is the last Jedi. I think he's right. My hunch (hope?) is that Rey and Kylo's story is the realization that the light and dark side provide needed balance in the Galaxy. The polarization of the Jedi and Sith is destructive.
The two, or possibly one in the end, realize this and start a new path in the force. One that understands that reality is not black and white. They've hinted at similar belief structures in the SW universe before (Ahsoka?). Rey (and/or Kylo) never becomes a Jedi or a Sith, but chooses a more balanced path, thus making Luke the actual last Jedi.
Edit: Yes, I know Snoke and Kylo aren't necessarily Sith. Just using Sith as a place holder for any Dark Side order.
Binturung ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:10:31 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First, I've had others state that Johnson said Luke is the last Jedi (and if it's that tweet you're referring to, there's a not zero chance that he was just shitposting to make clickbait journos look stupid), but I never made any mention to the number of Jedi.
When I talk about Kylo being redeemed, that doesn't necessarily mean him becoming a Jedi. Redeemed means he's freed himself of the Dark side. That's it.
And second, I really really really hope they make it very clear in this trilogy that a balanced Force is NOT equal dark and 'light'.
Using the dark side is still incredibly dangerous, and leads to corrupted force users that disrupt the balance of the Force. Novels in this version of the canon have made that VERY clear that it's addictive and destructive, like it's always been.
Can there be a third, or fourth, or fifth path? Sure! But at the end of the day, a balanced Force is one where the dark side is subsided and inactive, and any Force traditions that draw on the Dark Side of the Force are harmful to the Force in general (which is why 'chosen ones' come about, the Force is trying to heal itself of the bad elements hurting it)
burlycabin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:44:42 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me too! I guess I missed represented my position on the force a bit. The problem, and I think the prequels did highlight this well, is that going all out in a dogmatic way that the Jedi do is also harmful to the force (the force being a metaphor for the goodness underlying life and existence).
The Jedi did a ton of damage to the Galaxy in their own right. Their lack of pregmatism helps allow the dark side to strengthen. They set themselves up in opposition to the dark side in such a way that anybody who opposes them for other reasons finds an ally in the dark side. A more forgiving and balanced set of beliefs would do a lot to shutdown any popular momentum that the dark side gains.
I also would like to point out that the force does not wish (or whatever) to destroy the dark side in favor of the light side. There isn't one without the other. Rather the chosen ones come about to bring balance back to the force when one side runs amuck. As an aside, part of me has wondered if there were any chosen ones on the dark side - I think that could make an interesting story, especially in a KOTOR like game.
And I do apologise if I misunderstood you. I took you to mean that the "Last Jedi" wasn't at all literal, but rather a metaphor for Kylo's redemption. I can see that being a double meaning, but I also think it's unlikely that Rian just through that tweet out there without real meaning. Sure, I think he was trolling the clickbait headline, but he was also likely being literal. It'd be rather irresponsible with a franchise this big to mislead the audience in such a blatant way (unless he's since made an explanation statement). Besides, Star Wars movie titles haven't exactly been subtle so far.
I do think luke is the last Jedi and I'm stoked to see where they take the world without Jedi.
hailteamore7 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:21:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's already been confirmed the Jedi is plural in the title
Binturung ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:29:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure how that's relevant to my post. I was referring to the title of the movie, not that Kylo was the last Jedi.
Ecko09 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:32:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except Rian said the title refers to Luke.
ideperio94 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 04:01:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think that's the way that things are going to roll. After watching it a few times, it seems that after Rey spends time training with Luke, she wants to take on Kylo and Snoke, despite Luke's disapproval. He knows that she's powerful, but probably thinks that if she goes against them too soon, she will lose, and the Jedi are doomed because Luke wants nothing to do with this fight after Kylo took a turn for the worse, prior to E7. When he says the first time he saw that amount of power was with Kylo when he was training, and then turned, destroying whatever city or area we see Luke escaping the ashes from. I would assume that if Luke had a love interest that she probably died in this tragedy, hence him falling to his knees next to R2. The reason Luke seeing this power in Rey scares him is because he knows that with these battles for the top force dog, comes more tragedy, such as the loss of his father, and is discouraged to help her defeat the sith. I would think that Rey then goes to take on the sith, by playing opossum and telling Kylo that she needs guidance in her role, hoping to meet Snoke. Kylo would then present her to the sith lord, and Snoke tries to turn her over. After she resists, he probably uses the force torture that we see at the end, and (this is where I'm just heavily guessing) Luke appears, being inspired by Rey's initiative, and goes head to head with Snoke.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 04:18:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I knew there was a reason I scrolled through a hundred shitposts.
MandyMarieB ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:56:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No love interest -- it was the Jedi Temple, and all of his students there. Ben -- not only his student but his own nephew -- slaughtered them all and ended the Jedi Order that Luke had been rebuilding. That's what sent Luke into hiding. He likely felt he had failed the Republic, he failed the Jedi, and most importantly, he had failed Leia and Han and Ben.
Plenty enough to send him crashing to his knees.
Ecko09 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:38:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One point though, there's no Sith in movie.
[deleted] ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 02:27:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And how does Kylo become a hero after apperenty killing Leia as well as Han?
shulkario ยท 104 points ยท Posted at 02:28:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same way Anakin did after a couple genocides that even included the women and children too
AnakinShitposter ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 02:33:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They were animals!
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 02:47:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I slaughtered them like animals!
shulkario ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 03:16:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I HATE THEM!
StaYqL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:42:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
but do you like sand?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:19:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No but I do enjoy slicing fruit with my telekinesis
InvincibleAgent ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:58:03 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No it's coarse and gets everywhere
Wookie301 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:50:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but those woman and children were just movie extras. They werenโt Han or Leia.
Ecko09 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:34:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you're telling us that basically they were like animals?
Valiant_Steed ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 02:34:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But there's no way that Kylo hates sand as much as Anakin did, so there's that.
shulkario ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:16:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo also is naive to the power of the high ground
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:36:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even Anakin didn't murder both his parents. I don't see how they could possibly redeem Kylo, and also have Rey do something awful enough to make her the villain.
oorza ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:37:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rey could kill Luke.
PrayForMojoo ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 02:42:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or reveal that she is a Hanzo main
Thee_Nameless_One ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:49:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Get out
Mellonikus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:48:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why don't you give me a nice paper cut and pour lemon juice on it while you're at it?
raiderpower13 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:49:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The humanity...
Ecko09 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:33:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As long as she's not Yasuo main, it's fine.
SithCrafter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:09:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even worse? If she reveals that she mains Bastion on attack and Genji on defense.
Splashforce ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:42:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
DON'T TRY IT
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:45:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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more_than_a_hammer ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:57:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tbf that's all of anakins list. I don't think killing parents is all of kylos.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:59:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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whatadilbert ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:50:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well he did also kill all those younglings at the jedi temple
reiko96 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:36:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd kill the grown ups but wouldn't kill children. That is just a new low.
goodfreeman ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:44:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He will die saving Rey from Snoke in ep. 9. Redemption complete.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:58:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I guess I just think it's cheesy to erase all the evil these characters are done, just because their dying moment was spent doing good. Even with Vader, like I'm glad him and Luke got a moment of "father and son" before he died, but I don't see why we should just forgive Vader/Anakin for committing countless genocides on various alien races and the Jedi.
goodfreeman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:03:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are right, I oversimplified it. This is what I think will happen, not necessarily what I'd like to see happen. I really believe that both Kylo and Luke know exactly who Rey is. Kylo is afraid of her power being greater than his and thus her surpassing him, and Luke is afraid of her power destroying everything.
shulkario ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:15:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anakin did kill his dad though
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:28:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anakin doesn't have a dad in Canon.
shulkario ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:40:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sheev and Plagueis are heavily implied to be his co-daddy in the Phantom Menace and Revenge of the Sith
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:05:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really don't think Vader killing Palpatine counts as Anakin killing his father.
reiko96 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:36:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, just a bunch of innocent children instead.
spencer4991 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:47:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But we care about Han and Leia? Two main character murders are less forgivable than millions of side/off-screen characters. And at the time, we didn't care as much about Obi-Wan.
shulkario ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:13:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a bit of a funny family though. Kylo's out to kill his parents apparently. Remember who else was supposed to do that? Luke with his father. Yoda and Obi-Wan kept telling him he had to to become a Jedi.
Really though, to us, yeah, but to the people in the movies, they can't distinguish main characters or not.
spencer4991 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:17:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh certainly. I'm talking purely from a "us watching the movie" perspective as opposed to an "in-universe" one
Edit: movie, not movoe
shulkario ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:19:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, then I fully agree. Vader was certainly easy to forgive from an audience perspective.
If Kylo is redeemed, there will be a part of the audience that always hates him. I'd like that. Past mistakes have consequences, let a character show that.
spencer4991 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:20:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok, I can dig it.
made_in_silver ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:56:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, from what he knows, his wife died at the end of ep 3 and with her their baby.
So the "women and children too" is kind of foreshadowing
shulkario ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:11:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even sadder :'(
Fabrice20 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:20:57 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was all done offscreen, so the impact is completely different, then us seeing Kylo kill off Han, who is universally loved!
hicsuntdracones- ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 02:45:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We don't know that he kills Leia and it looks like he smashes his helmet, which symbolizes his evil identity. I think they're going to have Kylo feel guilty as hell for killing Han, hate what he's become (hence the helmet smashing), and when he's given the choice to kill Leia (he has no helmet this scene) he'll abandon the First Order instead. This is all huge speculation, but I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 03:00:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I see where you're going, and I could see it. My personal interpretation of the helmet smash was him "getting over" his obsession with Vader, and realizing he is strong enough without trying to emulate Vader.
renoops ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:40:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, he doesn't kill her. He decides not to, but someone else takes the shot. Thats my theory.
Charlie_Wax ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 02:48:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As I posted elsewhere, some have speculated that Kylo isn't really evil and that he's a spy Luke placed under Snoke to try to find him. I'm not sure I believe this theory, but it fits with some of his dialogue from EP7.
Looking at the melted Vader helmet - "I will finish what you started." There's an assumption that he meant Vader, but it could be that he was speaking of Anakin. And that by "finish what you started" he meant the total destruction of the Sith, which Anakin participated in by killing the Emperor.
Killing Han - "Thank you." Presumably this moment is when Kylo decisively flips to the dark side and becomes irredeemably evil, but you can also read it as him thanking Han for the sacrifice, knowing that this display of evil will earn Snoke's trust completely.
This would also help explain why he seems so emotionally unstable and conflicted. "I feel like I'm being torn apart." Because he's a good person trying to maintain the facade of being evil while a sith lord basically reads his mind. An impossibly demanding task. However, we know that Kylo Ren is extremely powerful in the force and his first scene where he holds the laser beam in place while speaking to Poe reinforces the idea that he can focus his power while multitasking.
watertaco ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:04:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Explain his obsession with Rey at the end then?
Poc4e ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 03:17:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She is kinda hot don't you think?
watertaco ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:00:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A little, but her forehead is kind of big.....I wouldn't say no to her though.
Charlie_Wax ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:11:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"You need a teacher. I can show you the ways of the force."
Not necessarily any evil in that.
Also bear in mind that if he's being watched/thought read by Snoke frequently, he would have to be careful about not blowing his cover.
beautifulbatch ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:05:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That all makes sense but I donโt think the story is as intricate as you think, but hey man anything could happen.
RogueHelios ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:37:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One of the major themes of Star Wars is redemption, the knowing that despite your many wrongs in the past you are able to redeem yourself.
reiko96 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:38:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. Star wars teaches you that if you kill innocent women and children, you can be still be redeemed and not face consequences
Lord_Ewok ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 02:35:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Vader killed Younglings and numerous jedi but he killed the emperor there bringing balance to the force.Which makes Anakin a hero.
renoops ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:50:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even the younglings?
boomboxpinata ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:42:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
was thinking they hid rey from snoke, kylo is secretly good, he is meant to take down snoke and theyre all in on it.
MAKE_ME_REDDIT ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:57:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really don't think that's it.
boomboxpinata ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:21:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
probably not, i've got half a dozen theories floating around my head right now
red-mamba ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:01:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm pretty sure the โsilver darth suitโ Captain Phasma
Iridium777 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:07:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty confident that was phasma.
HiveFleet-Cerberus ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:02:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rey going tragic villain and Kylo redeemed would be amazing. If really hard to pull off.
the_deadpan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:41:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
definitely I think this is possible - look at rey's clothing in the scene that Snoke is force holding her in - shes wearing the same style but all black
Ecko09 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:39:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think you need your eyes checked, she's not wearing black.
the_deadpan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:52:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
definitely looks like its darker to me than her usual white/brown https://imgur.com/a/0ctwj
antanith ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:08:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think Disney is willing to roll the dice on that kind of gamble given that having Rey as an empowering female lead is doing well for marketing.
Dave-C ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:26:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
(Possible major spoilers)
The story before the movies, not sure of the exact origin but I read it through the Star Wars encyclopedia. The final battle between good and evil was supposed to happen between Han and Leia's son and Luke and Mara's son. Mara was the "hand" of the Emperior, as he was dying he send word to her to kill Luke, they ended up falling in loving and having a child. They sent the child to grow up with Han and Leia, they had left the rebellion to raise their own child. Han's son went evil and Luke's son had to stop him.
I believe they plan to follow this somewhat, Rey may very well be Luke's daughter so we can get a "I am your father" line somewhere.
There is even a period of time where Luke and his son Ben was sent into exile, a lot like living on a planet alone huh? Luke took Ben to many of the hidden Jedi sects for training, training a lot like Rey needs right? Han's son ended up being killed by his twin sister which could mean that Rey and Ren are brother and sister if they decide to follow that part of the story and write Luke's wife out.
Maybe none of this happens, it is interesting though.
Neezzuss ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:56:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How hot would dark side Rey be though
canadianplayer007 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:56:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Instead of that, what if they both go off together, leaving Luke and Snoke behind respectively to figure out what it is they need to do
LetsGoChuckTaylor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:00:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd really rather not, tbh.
3xTheSchwarm ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:07:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just dont see Disney pulling the rug out from under a fan base of young women Rey was essentially designed for.
NostalgiaZombie ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:48:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
DAE think women being villains means they're oppressed?
3xTheSchwarm ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:14:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think Disney put in a lot of work to make Star Wars 'not just a boy's' franchise and will not go monkeying around with that. Look at their new Forces of Destiny videos as example. Not about social politics for Disney. Its about $. Which isnt to say Rey wont flirt with dark skde like Luke did in original trilogy. But in the end shes not gonna go all dark side on the little girls sho grew up with Rey.
NostalgiaZombie ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:54:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kyle is the most popular new character. Vader is the most popular character of the whole franchise. Are you saying women can't like villains?
3xTheSchwarm ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:31:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah youre one of those redditors who tries to inaccurately reframe a response into most sensational point of view. Im not biting. Good luck with that elsewhere.
ProbertsCokeStash ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:28:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would be an interesting twist.
abluersun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:41:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wasn't there conceptual art of white Vader armor when the original trilogy was being developed?
Steadman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:45:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck, I'm so down for this.
I can't think of another movie that has ever done this before.
cochon101 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:57:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope they do this so badly. It would be such an awesome twist.
DaBombDiggidy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:07:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yeah, his internal dialogue during the book when he killed his father is telling...
I'm willing to bet he doesn't press that button and it's the tipping point.
wreckingballheart ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:54:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
$100 says he doesn't press the button, but that someone in another ship does.
Edit: Nailed it
Akitten ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:15:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Doubt it, Disney would never let their flagship female Jedi be a villain.
RiotSucksEggs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:16:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My brother and I have fantasized about this theory so much. Would be amazing.
amarin1492 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:18:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would be awesome. I highly doubt they would do this though.
HotDogGrass ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:28:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i think they might do it where in episode 9 (assuming rey turns to the dark side) Rey and Kylo are part of the first order while Finn and Poe are trying to stop them; then near the end Klyo stops fighting the good guys then starts fighting Rey (maybe this can be his change of heart moment, similar to Vader at the end of RotJ) sort of like a reverse of the Mustafar battle in III
GoldenGonzo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:50:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I fucking hope so, Rey is too god damned perfect.
NEScDISNEY ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:52:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm going to be honest, as much as I'd like this to happen, I feel they won't. Also, I trust zero dialogue in the trailer, especially since the last one had dialogue that didn't appear in the film, as well as scenes.
modakim ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:59:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This would be so epic.
sunal135 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:42:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know Rey being evil, would make a lot of things she did in episode VII make sense.
newbiecorner ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:09:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thishas been my theory since force awakens too. My gf who's a crazy star wars fan insists that'd be stupid :'(
To me the whole "don't let the light side corrupt you" aspect of Kylo Ren seems counter intuitive. The light side hasn't, until these films, been shown as something that "corrupts", that being unique to dark side. So to me all of this felt like foreshadowing, especially with Rey being a super amateur force user, seems like dark side trait.
BlameTheButler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:27:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've been hoping for this ever since the beginning. Ideally I'd like to see the movie end with Luke and Rey going to confront Snoke and Kyle. Snoke pulls a fast one tricking everyone which ends up with Kylo going to face Rey, but instead running into Luke and Rey who thinks she's going to take on Kylo ends up in Snoke's chambers. Kylo and Luke have a crazy intense duel full of emotion and skill, while Rey who is now on Kylo's level is ready to prove herself as she thinks she's ready (Allow him to show her skill by slaying a few imperial guardsmen) but when she goes in to attack Snoke he stops her dead in her foot steps. Luke realizes what's going on and tries to reason with Kylo, but Kylo is ready to give into the darkness and tries to finish Luke off. While this happens Snoke reveals that his ultimate plan ever since Rey's awakening was to take her on as his apprentice. Rey is corrupted and there's a pause between Kyle and Luke. The two realizing what happened Luke feels that he has failed again and Kylo claims he will defeat Snoke for this betrayal. Luke tries to convince Kylo to return with him, but Kylo force pushes an unexpected Luke and flees. Kylo decides he will do this on his own.
punstermacpunstein ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:45:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, I wish. That would be the "Jar-Jar is a Sith" twist we never got. But honestly, I don't think Disney has the balls.
jacenat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:06:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
With her visiting the Bendu and them being featured in both trailers really heavily, I think Rey really will be something other than a light or dark side hero. They might even dig up the prophecy from EP1 with all that talk about balance.
tinyturtletricycle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:13:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree. I predicted this several months ago in another thread and got downvoted to oblivion.
Glad to see you are enjoying a better fate!
But really, it's the only way to avoid a stereotypical, cliche arc. Rey needs to go dark and Kylo needs to be redeemed.
Masson011 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:21:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Think most people expect this yeh. Itโs the only thing they can really do to keep it interesting since 7 was arguably a new hope rebooted which disappointed a lot of people
TeutonJon78 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:26:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mmmm, what would be better would be Rey and Kylo both kill Luke and Snoke to start a new thing together.
Sulavajuusto ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:55:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I doubt Disney wants a young woman antihero, not really their cup of tea.
PsychicNeuron ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:54:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Would love that tbh
52ndstreet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:58:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
God the audience would hate Rian Johnson for that. โHereโs a character that we tell you is a Good Guy, make you invest in her, grow to like her, and then weโre going to make her the Bad Guy.โ
Itโs exactly what JJ Abrams would do.
[Fun fact about JJ: in Lost, he wanted Jack (the main character) to die from the smoke monster at the same time the smoke monster killed the pilot from the plane wreckage. Then Kate would sort of โleadโ the castaways. But the network wouldnโt let him do it because the audience would feel betrayed and hate him for it. But he wanted to do it!]
siderinc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:07:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thats what I'm think as well
harcile ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:43:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
? That was just the goofy storm trooper captain.
Fossil54 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:02:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It would make for an interesting switch but I don't think viewers could forgive him for killing his father
Cintx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:16:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't that Captain Phasma?
evonebo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:33:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I highly doubt it. From Disney perspective this is one female heroine that they have so far. No way will they turn her bad, they are trying to build a character for their female audience instead of the usual princess.
BoBoZoBo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:10:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or Option C, maybe they team up against everyone else...
TybrosionMohito ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:17:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would be amazing. Reeeallly doubt they have the balls for it though.
hwturner17 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:51:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The fact that you think Disney would have the nutts to make the female turn from hero to villain and have the โmanโ save the Day in the end at this point is entertaining. Would be a PR hell storm
TheElderCouncil ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:48:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Too late. He killed his father. There's no coming back from that.
NostalgiaZombie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:49:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Vader killed his father.
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 02:18:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No he was talking about kylo with the "raw power" line.
fake_person ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 02:22:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First, and most obvious, reaction is that he's taking about Kylo, but could he be taking about Snoke's power?
IronMarauder ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 02:26:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe Rey is related to palpatine? The only people that Luke could be referring to are Vader, Palpatine, Snoke and Kylo.
Edit: I think you are right about it being Kylo, Lukes words cooincide with the scene of the burning building and him having to get out of the wreckage. Could have been Kylo going berserk
faeralini ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:34:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe he's talking about himself
MDPacker04 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:42:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thatโs what I was thinking
Gnux13 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:43:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A super weird chaos theory that I havenโt seen yet:
Could be that Luke and Snoke were working together at one point, both sensed that young Rey was super powerful and then figured out they were at odds about her. Luke hides her on Jakku himself and then goes into hiding so that Snoke canโt use him to find her. In his absence, Snoke manipulates Ben to the dark side after he got abandoned by his own Uncle.
Last jedi starts out with Luke attempting to train her and seeing it go south. Then tells Rey he put her on Jakku and should have just killed her back then, but now he actually tries to. She escapes and is vulnerable to join the dark side but doesnโt want to. Meanwhile Ben tries to go back to the light side because all he wants to be is a great Jedi like his Uncle and grandpa**** were/are. Finds he still struggles with it and then they team up as kind of a middle faction that now has to fight off The First Order and the Rebellion who both want to use them for their cause.
So we end up with some wonky yin-yang faction in between the two and then the last movie is them trying to restore balance by taking out both the Sith and the Jedi.
Iโm sure there are giant holes in my theory and I apologize if this isnโt close to possible. Go team chaos!
Ecko09 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:43:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup current canon and some things we know about it already rips apart your theory.
Gnux13 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:47:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
RIP then :/
CharadeParade--__ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:54:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke wouldn't fear Kylo though, he never would. He would want to help him.
Snoke is the only logical one Luke would fear
IronMarauder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:07:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What reason would Luke have to fear Snoke though, Luke is theoretically the most powerful being in the universe (them chosen one genetics) Kylo shares that same link. Though I suppose Snoke is somewhat of a mystery until the movie release.
CharadeParade--__ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:31:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah good point. We know next to nothing about snoke though, all we know is he is so old he saw the entire rise and fall of the empire, so clearly hes powerful
I still like the theory that snoke created Anikan and the whole prophecy thing is bullshit, making snoke the original Skywalker.
But I'm a fan of the tin foil
fake_person ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:32:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It could also be Obi-wan, Yoda or Leia, but now I think we're reaching.
DarthDrodge ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:36:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think he was talking about his own. Remember how strong he got within like 3 years of loose training? His raw force potential was very similar to Anakin and due to his overconfidence in his abilities he felt that he could train others in the way of the force when we still Padawan level in experience not ability. Then he sees Rey have the same potential is paranoid that she'll be just like him, Anakin, and Kylo in just using the power but never learning what it means to have it until too late.
IronMarauder ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:35:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But to our knowledge those 3 didn't show raw strength to Luke.Both Yoda and ObiWan were old men by the time they got to Luke and Leia turned down training, no?
Leoncroi ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:44:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He could be talking about himself too. In episode 6 he let himself cut loose and bested Vader, then saw it as something to overcome and keep in check. Over time with the destruction of the temple (by means we will see in TLJ), he now understands you can't keep it in check, only tucked away and never use.
Phazon2000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:55:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Methinks Luke trained Kylo (Or was that already confirmed?) turned batshit. Luke went into exile.
Sees the same potential in Rey - cues the line.
stormtrooper1701 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:34:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, he never saw Vader go all out.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:36:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Vader always held back with luke, or at least thats the best way to explain how shittily he fights.
If vader really wanted to he could have easily crushed luke without even trying.
Holy_crap_its_me ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 04:10:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or the more likely reason: fighting choreography has come a long way since the original trilogy.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 11:51:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes thats the real reason, but that doesnt explain it within cannon.
Holding back because he doesnt want to kill his son does.
Drumboy168 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:36:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely not true in RoTJ.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:51:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes it is. Its clear hes holding back. Luke would bot be able to best the full power of darth vader in ROTJ. Its his son, he doesnt want to kill him.
joecb91 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:44:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Vader was fully trained though, I think Luke just meant raw as in the unfocused and unrefined power that Kylo and Rey had.
Wetcat9 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:06:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
maybe he was talking about yoda
j_la ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:54:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. Anakin had raw power, but Vader's power was anything but raw. Pure control.
Notorious4CHAN ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:32:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Based on what we've seen of Kylo, this seems least likely of the possibilities. Vader, Palatine, Snoke, even Yoda I could buy. Not Kylo.
googolplexy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:36:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think Kylie was too emotional to reach his full power. My guess is that he has the potential, but not the focus. If he or try get that boost, who knows how strong he could be
Black_Sin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:43:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, Luke never saw Yoda fight. Vader always held back against Luke and was actually weaker than Luke.
I think it's clearly Kylo that he's talking about. The trailer opens up with Snoke talking about his raw power and Luke mentions seeing power like Rey's once before over an image of the Jedi Massacre committed by Ben.
Harrysoon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:43:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
From the trailer I assumed Yoda. He says it after seeing rocks crack from Rey, and then says he's only seen the power once before i.e. Yoda lifting his X-Wing from the swamp.
I wouldn't say a Jedi massacre is "raw power" in that sense.
Black_Sin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:42:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In a previous EW article, it's mentioned that Luke thought Kylo was the new Chosen one. So it's probably a reference to Kylo Ren especially how he says that over a scene of Ben and the beginning of the trailer seems to be Snoke talking to Ben.
The trailer is designed to hype up Rey and Ben's Force potential.9
Harrysoon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:17:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea, true. That is a better way to look at it to be fair.
Ecko09 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:45:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if Snoke is talking to Rey?
Black_Sin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:43:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Regardless, Luke says he's seen potential like Rey's before and it's mentioned in an EW article that he thought Ben was the new Chosen One
CharadeParade--__ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:53:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke would never fear Kylo though. He would want to help him.
ArchbishopBetelgeuse ยท 97 points ยท Posted at 02:21:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He meant Jar Jar
newfoundslander ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:39:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean Darth Jar Jar, of course.
Chuckle_Pants ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 02:27:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
BOOOOOOOOOOOO
*you get an upvote anyway
CaterpillarsNight ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:24:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah he's talking to Kylo. Luke is telling Rey how he underestimated Ben Solo before he destroyed the Jedi temple.
DarthDrodge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:41:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think he is talking about how he overestimated himself after the Death Star 2 fight and felt that he had what it took to teach others of the force and due to his own urgency was unprepared for individuals like Kylo to go dark.
CaterpillarsNight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:44:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That also works
it2d ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:19:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought for sure he was talking about Kylo Ren. Fits with what I presume are the flashbacks to the destruction of the Academy.
vcjohnson ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:36:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah it's pretty obvious he's talking about Kylo. Especially with "didn't fear it enough before" and a direct cut to the temple destruction
Charlie_Wax ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:25:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He was talking about famous sith lord Nien Nunb.
sicarius6292 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:24:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought he was afraid?
ppinette ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:48:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is what he said.
slightlyaw_kward ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:23:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You will be.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:00:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
fuckin yoda shit coming true 30 years later. Im geeked.
HolbiWan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:27:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
โYou...will...be.โ
LuckyCanuck13 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:30:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I assumed the Emperor.
iamthegraham ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:19:08 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And Rey is Rey Palpatine.
LuckyCanuck13 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:04:25 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've heard that theory, and I would be so behind it. Like some Imperials tried to use some old DNA to bring him back, but chose a female form for some reason (maybe thinking Luke would have a hard time killing a woman?).
Maverick_119 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:21:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ooooo nice touch, but I still think he is talking about Kylo.
Julius-n-Caesar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:27:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, who the hell else could it be?
Ritz527 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:33:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I assumed he was talking about Snoke.
Black_Sin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:44:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's clearly Kylo that he's talking about. The trailer opens up with Snoke talking about his raw power and Luke mentions seeing power like Rey's once before over an image of the Jedi Massacre committed by Ben.
CharadeParade--__ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:56:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke would never fear Kylo though. He would only want to help him
Fear is not a word Jedi use lightly.
Black_Sin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:17:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He didn't fear him. Not at first. Now he's scared.
An EW article a while back he even mentions that Luke thought Ben was the new Chosen One. Ben's gotta be a force monster too especially since he's being billed as the co-protagonist.
Black_Sin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:40:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Darth Vader was much weaker at that point. Wouldn't fit.
Kylo Ren is meant to have the same potential as Anakin not Darth Vader as Darth Vader had less than half the potential than Anakin did.
Slightlylyons1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:45:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or was it the Dagobah cave?
jayoung87 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:48:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was Kylo. When luke met Vader he would have no basis for comparison.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:49:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He shouldn't have been afraid of Vader. He saved Vader. Luke's arc with Vader had a positive end, not a scary one.
Swfan1525 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:04:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's what I thought
HellTrain72 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:05:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bingo.
Aharonov ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:07:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That'd be...interesting, considering Vader's unnatural origins. Would imply that Rey's a biological experiment by some crazed Sith to create another Vader. Palpatine had clones all over the place in the old EU, and Rey's just about the right age. That'd actually be really awesome: the reason she seemed like a Mary Sue to so many people is because she was created to be one. An evil one.
danielbryanjack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:08:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it was kylo. He saw it in kylo and wasnt afraid, trained him anyway but then everything happened. Now he wont train rey
Surtock ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:09:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Really? The first person I thought of was the Emperor. Of the very few Force users Luke ever met, wouldn't Palpatine by far be the strongest?
funran ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:23:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't think so, they show the Jedi temple training area being burned and Luke crawling out of the rubble. He means Kylos power and how he didn't take it serious and then was corrupted.
grazmead ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:32:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I reckon it was Vader climbing out of the fire in a flashback.
SpiceyDave ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:47:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But Vaderโs power wasnโt really โrawโ when they met. He was the strongest sith in existence
carpleror ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:49:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The power he wasn't scared of before was definitely Darth Vader. The question is, who is he scared of now? Kylo Ren? Rey? Snoke? Himself?!
Ecko09 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:48:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
SAND!. He wasn't scared of sand before! But he is now! It makes perfect sense!
carpleror ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:29:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
God damn! How did I not see that, it's so obvious!
CharadeParade--__ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:52:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I assumed it was the emporer he wasn't afraid of and it is snoke he is afraid of.
He wouldn't fear Kylo, he would want to help him.
Snoke it the only person in the new films he would fear. The emporer was the most powerful person in the OT.
Ecko09 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:48:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Emporer -,-'
Jaegs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:57:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree they probably gave up the whole twist in that trailer. Rey being a failed clone of Vader fits all the plot points. Female clone, supposed to be terminated, abandoned on Baku probably by Phasma. Impossibly gifted with the force like someone we know, has force induced "visions" like someone we know.
The saber chose Rey over Kylo and that is NOT Lukes lightsaber, its Anakins.
nianp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:08:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think Luke using "raw power" indicates Kylo. Raw tends to indicate untrained, undisciplined. If he'd just said "power" it could have been either.
pvsa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:18:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke wouldn't have seen Vader's raw power.
WCC5D1F0E ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:36:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought he meant the emperor.
jacenat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:03:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right. But the raw power he is afraid is Kylo's. And this line happens before the stone cracking. Would fit into an escalation of power narrative. It would also make Luke's role less the one of a Jedi Master and more one of an observer/teacher. He isn't as powerful himself. His father was. Kylo is. Maybe even Ray.
Aequitassb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:19:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Vader's strength wasn't "raw," it was highly trained. Luke's most likely talking about Ben.
Slaanashifanboy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:30:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought he said I wasn't afraid enougth then, I am now. Which I took to mean that he wasn't as afraid of Kylos powers as he should have been when training him and missed the signs of his fall to the dark side. He probably sees many of the same things in Rey
zenith66 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:30:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke defeated Vader. He didn't defeat the Emperor though.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:15:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So Luke was a cheeky Eminem fan
TheDreadPirateHam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:12:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rey is clearly way more powerful then Kylo, that was established in the first film. Darth Vader could be it. Luke also had extensive time with a Jedi Master, Yoda. "You will be."
obrysii ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:30:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It also lets them set up the whole scene between Kylo and Rey.
Rey: Luke never told you what happened to your grandfather.
Kylo: He told me enough, he told me Palpatine killed him!
Rey: No. I am your grandfather!
(I'm very much opposed to the fan theory but who knows at this point; personally I think she is a Palpatine).
TheSmokey1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:44:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This was my conclusion as well. It seems obvious that a person would think Luke would be talking about Ren, but it was Vader who was always said to have so much power. I think Vader is who Luke was referring to.
grandplans ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:23:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed...Kylo does not really appear to be particularly powerful. I mean Rey bested him out the gate.
unimark ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:51:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm on board with that idea. Vader: "You have controlled your fear"
ThisIsNotanExit42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:35:53 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Either him or Palpatine. The novelization of Return of the Jedi describes how Luke feels the presence of darkness itself when in the Emperor's throne room. Luke is particularly astounded at the ease of which Palps uses the Force to take his bindings off. In the face of that he was still outwardly confident
WiseUpThink4Yourself ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:33:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The raw power that he saw before that didn't scare him was Vadar and Palpatine (because he was young and rash). The new raw power that scares him is Snoke and Kylo.
greyjackal ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:40:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Don't fall asleep...don't fall asleep..."
Wait, no..."You will be...you will be...."
Yeah I'm thinking Kylo.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:13:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like that would be Vader or the Emperor, right?
Black_Sin ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:44:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No. Vader was half as weak as Anakin and Luke was stronger than Vader.
I think it's clearly Kylo that he's talking about. The trailer opens up with Snoke talking about his raw power and Luke mentions seeing power like Rey's once before over an image of the Jedi Massacre committed by Ben.
Richard-Cheese ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:06:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ya I agree. They are trying to create their own strong, memorable characters for this generation of Star Wars and already have one descendent of the Skywalker line. It would kind of weaken the new characters we're trying to rally around if this trilogy was entirely wrapped around dead characters from the OT.
[deleted] ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 02:13:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Calling it now, the raw power line refers to Palpatine. Rey is a female clone of Sheev, you heard it here first.
MakeTeaNotLove ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:18:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Frey?
Someguy2020 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:20:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
that... would actually be pretty awesome.
Idaho_In_Uranus ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:30:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, Iโve actually heard it elsewhere before.
Thor_2099 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:57:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
IDK how I feel about that. I am really hoping she is Luke's daughter but the daughter of Palpatine does make some sense, idk how that works timeline though.
Dikardo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:29:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not a clone, just his DNA
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:13:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought that was Darth vader
theredditoro ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:20:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's probably that context.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:39:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He was literally looking at Rey when he said it.
aRVAthrowaway ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:33:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Editing bro. You can make anything look like anything in a trailer.
Bowler_Fett ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:09:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes because heโs talking to Rey, he says heโs seen the power before and what scene do we get? The scene of Lukeโs order burning down because of Kylo(presumably). He now sees the raw strength that Rey has in the force and doesnโt wanna train her with the same hope he had with kylo. The evidence is all there in the trailer alone. Snoke says he found kylo with raw power, luke trained kylo. When Rey broke the rock like looked down shocked.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:20:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes exactly
Butt_Expert ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:40:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Doesnt matter, same thing, Luke is Snoke
ChiefSlapaHoe117 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:47:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Would be a huge twist if snoke had interacted with rey as a child perhaps he himself blocked her mind or something along those lines.
ProjectShamrock ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:49:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My theory is that Luke was referring to Snoke when talking about that level of power, and that Rey is a clone/daughter/host of Snoke.
iWogfather ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:08:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But how does that explain her interactions with Lukeโs lightsaber in TFA?
ProjectShamrock ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:25:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I guess I'm missing how the interactions with the lightsaber would mean that Rey couldn't be something to Snoke. We think that her caretakers (who is maybe even Luke or someone else working at his Jedi temple?) dropped her off on a remote planet for some reason based on the flashbacks. Perhaps she was a young child growing up recieving Jedi training or something but was carted off to Jakku for what should have likely been a short period of time, to hide her from Snoke. She is a powerful Force user and it's possible that she is "meant" to go down a dark side path like Anakin did, which is why she was drawn to his lightsaber. In any case, all we have is speculation at this point.
NathanielTheGrublet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:14:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because Luke is Snoke!
therealflinchy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:49:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought he was talking about himself
whowantscake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:51:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or Palpatine.
str8pipelambo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:03:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Naw that was his pops I bet
ErrorFindingID ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:14:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just personal opinion is snoke talking to Rey and Luke referring to vader
W00DERS0N ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:16:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought he said โI've seen this kind of power before...โ?
jb2386 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:30:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought he said "I saw this kind of power..."
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:32:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think he is talking to Kylo about Rey. Saying he had raw power but Rey has something special.
Bishizel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:43:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I got the impression that the trailer wanted you to think Kylo, but that it was misdirection. I'm of the opinion that he meant someone else.
axilou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:44:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe he said 'raw power' so he can not be talking about Vader.
Indra_Board_Co ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:11:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you look for a moment near the end, Rey is being bent backwards by the force and it looks like Snoke in the background.
14mm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:22:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If we assume that Snoke's lines about seeing raw power and the lines at the end of, "Fullfill... your... destiny!" are in the same scene, then it definitely is to Rey. When we get the Snoke close-up, he's wearing some gold-colored robe. When we see the next shot of Rey frozen in the air, screaming, there's a blurred, golden figure in the background with his hand extended out toward her.
The fact that he is telling Rey to fulfill her destiny makes the case for me that the beginning lines are from the same scene.
Master_Tallness ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:47:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not convinced he's referring to Kylo.
MobileBrowns ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:48:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Really? I think he is talking to Rey.
thrownormal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:12:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It would be pretty disappointing if Luke was referring to Kylo. How could an entity so powerful that it scares Luke F. Skywalker be so easily defeated by a girl with no formal training?
YouveBeenKitFistoed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:25:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We do see Snoke and Rey in the same shot toward the end, so it's not impossible
LibtardoRicardo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:02:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When Luke said he was "not afraid" it was on Yavin with Yoda. The cave, remember your failure at the cave!
Enex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:43:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or the Emperor?
Remember how Rey naturally uses a lot of stabbing motions and gets royally pissed when fighting Kylo? Sound familiar?
DUN DUN DUN
motorsportnut ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:25:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is it possible this power heโs talking about refers to Snoke?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:18:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The first movie did a bad job of communicating kilos power if heโs supposed to be that powerful. Just seemed like some dude who picked up a saber
Syphon8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:39:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's talking about Yoda for sure l
scottfiab ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:21:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if Kylo learns the power to bring back the dead and that's what scares Luke? What if Kyle died and he came back, hence the scar on his face?
Also, they keep showing that burning building where Luke/R2 are. I wonder if someone died in it when someone else was trying to kill Luke.
marson12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:10:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He was totally talking about ray. Who is the most powerful force user that he has met? darth sidious. when luke met sidious luke wasnt scared of him. and sidious was more powerful then vader so vader couldnt have been the strongest. ray is sidious's daughter confirmed
ambassadortim ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:30:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No he's talking about Rey. That is who he sees with the power.
StarshipAI ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:05:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe that raw power was seen in Palpatine before. Now again, in Rey.
strokesfan91 ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 02:12:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to think he was referring to Vader. Kylo is very unimpressive.
DocCyanide ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 02:17:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo stopped a blaster bolt with the force. He took a bowcaster bolt, known to instantly kill/cause large explosions, and kept fighting. The dude is raw power.
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 02:20:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Shadowwolflink ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:28:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wake up on the wrong side of the bed this morning? Or do you just always act this shitty?
DocCyanide ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:26:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Haven't been, just remembered watching a video cause I had the same reaction as you. Thanks for the insult, I'm sure you're a paragon of society yourself.
UhPhrasing ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:20:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
because he 'lost' that light sabre battle at the end? seriously this still?
StyleSoFree ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:30:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People forget Anakin lost light saber battles and still became far superior, in large part due to his raw power.
UhPhrasing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:37:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People also forget that he was shot with a mofuckin bowcaster shortly before!
vhiran ยท 450 points ยท Posted at 02:07:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Think you're right
AlmightyNZ ยท 228 points ยท Posted at 02:09:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snoke and Rey near the ending of the trailer and what he says? its either a major misdirection or.........
karatemanchan37 ยท 321 points ยท Posted at 02:10:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well Snoke was in the shot when Rey was being force-tortured.
the_harden_trade ยท 539 points ยท Posted at 02:17:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
BASTILA TORTURE CONVERSION HYPE
The_Magic ยท 122 points ยท Posted at 02:46:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dark Bastila=Best Bastila
the_harden_trade ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 03:24:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bastila convincing u to rule the Galaxy with her was so hype
DoDoDoTheFunkyGibbon ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 05:00:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Played through that stupid game about 5 times and EVERY FRICKEN TIME told her I loved her
the_harden_trade ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:07:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Played through it even more than that, but my first time I just saved at that point then did both lol
rockyrainy ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 04:10:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Luke, I AM your daughter."
"No, it can't be."
"Search your feelings, you know it to be true. Join me and together we will rule the Galaxy as father and daughter."
wewd ยท 64 points ยท Posted at 02:38:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
KOTOR IS REAL
the_harden_trade ยท 58 points ยท Posted at 02:39:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
MAKE REVAN CANON AGAIN
Also: https://youtu.be/BvTNyKIGXiI
PBTUCAZ ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 03:56:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AND HK-47
MEATBAGS NEED TO BE TERMINATED
DoDoDoTheFunkyGibbon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:01:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We kind of got Hk-47 in Rogue One though eh
Zin-Fed ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:35:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That be the greatest, not sure Disney would agree.
VindictiveJudge ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:42:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously, it's odd how much Kylo and Rey look like Revan and Bastila. The TCW/Rebels team are also big KotOR fans. Then TOR is the only project still officially considered Legends to be ongoing. I really hope they're going to reintegrate KotOR at some point, or at least not contradict it so as to leave the possibility open. And I feel like some statements about KotOR's status have been vague, anyway.
AndrewIsTaken ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 03:53:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
God she was such a hypocrite
"Don't fall to the dark side Revan, be a good guy"
-Spends like 3 days in Malaks torture dungeon-
"Wtf I love the dark side now"
luigitheplumber ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 04:17:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not really a hypocrite, because the whole time she's preaching she's trying to convince herself.
VindictiveJudge ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:44:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And, if you're playing with the dark side, your bond with her makes it harder for her to resist. This also works the other way, though, so it's easier to redeem her if you're deep into the light.
GetEquipped ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 04:53:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I still killed her, because their can only be one!
shoddygo ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 02:46:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
fucking hope so but it's probably a trailer red herring, i doubt they'd actually make it that obvious
the_harden_trade ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 02:47:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude I root for Rey/Bastila parallels everywhere. Can u imagine how sick she would look with a double bladed yellow lightsaber
luigitheplumber ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 04:16:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I so wish they would ditch the "hero with the blue lightsaber" thing that has been in every movie bar RoTJ. Yellow saberstaff Rey would be amazing, and could thematically fit a character that is somewhat in between the light and dark sides.
On top of being yet another Bastila reference. Which is awesome enough on its own.
RiseOfXenagos ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 02:22:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
o shit
drivinganindievan ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 03:15:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck man if the next trilogy of Star Wars is some sort of adaptation of the KOTOR storyline then I imagine the entire Star Wars fan base will collectively cream their pants. Myself included.
why_rob_y ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 03:42:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo Ren = an adaptation of Revan?
blow_hard ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 03:52:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
that would be spicy
hellohungryimdad ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:53:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's got the mask for it..
Firespray ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:44:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Part of me believes that they're taking inspiration from Jacen/Jaina in Legends and adapting it to Rey/Kylo via some Force mind wipe shit and go for a twist similar to KOTOR.
Triplescrew ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:29:00 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd be a nice twist, but if Rey were mindwiped I'd expect Kylo would have known about it and revealed it to her, not unlike what Malak did to Revan.
username1012357654 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 10:51:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Torture? No, dear Bastila, you misunderstand. This is but a taste of the dark side to whet your appitite. When you finally swear loyalty to me, it will be willingly.
sh4mmat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:19:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
YES, I THOUGHT THAT TOO.
adog231231 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:53:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's pretty much what I was thinking most of the trailer. Classic Bastila conversion. I think either Rey will turn evil, or she will resist and then maybe join forces with Kylo to defeat Snoke.
the_harden_trade ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:03:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have a huge problem with the possibility of Kylo being redeemed. This isn't a path he's been tricked or seduced down. He's clearly chosen it, and strives to maintain it almost despite his nature.
Cuban_Beefcake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:07:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's entirely possible that Kylo knows exactly everything about Vader and his goal is to balance the force like Vader was supposed to. He may see the only way to achieve this goal is by becoming the most powerful force user so he can eradicate all other force users. It's possible he has had an ulterior motive the whole time and has been the one using Snoke, not the other way around. Or some version of this.
ArrrGaming ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 02:44:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
WTF is wrong with you?
rikjames90 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 03:15:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i'm playing the sequel. theres tons of talk about last jedi's. it's way to easy and convenient to turn to the dark side in that game.
ImmutableInscrutable ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 03:20:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah that's kind of the point isn't it
Karma_Hunter_v3 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:35:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She's in a cave like the one Luke was in Ep 5, during training.
AlmightyNZ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:16:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And what he said? Either he is paying major homage to someone or...............
sparkykingheat ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:01:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unless that line doesnโt actually match that scene of his closeup (because his mouth IS covered) what else could โdestinyโ fucking mean especially since his yellow outfit and arm outstretched match the torture part of Rey. Who. The. Fuck. Knows.
Pumped regardless. Honestly more interested in who Snoke is than Reyโs whole deal.
whowantscake ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:52:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or Force Vibratored.
karatemanchan37 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:55:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snoke: ( อกยฐ อส อกยฐ)
Nerdinator2029 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:25:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He never even asked her any questions.
beneath_the_bottom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:12:18 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
damn good catch, his bad ass gold-ish muddy green cloak
PerogiXW ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:18:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The most likely misdirection would be a force vision thing. She had a vivid one in the last movie and at one point she was in a dark misty cave, and we all know what happens in those.
AlmightyNZ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:29:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
thi is true, I just found a still from the trailer and it looks like you are right about the vision, I'll PM you the still.
DarkJedi3000 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:16:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He may turn her against Luke for a bit during the film.
MocodeHarambe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:11:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cheesy Fiesta Potatoes?
Zin-Fed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:34:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
General Kenobi - Hello There !!
theredditoro ยท 460 points ยท Posted at 02:08:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. Snoke and Rey definitely meet. Just depends on when.
[deleted] ยท 869 points ยท Posted at 02:12:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Considering there's a frame where Snoke is literally force holding rey into a limbo-move, then yeah...
[deleted] ยท 196 points ยท Posted at 02:16:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Ted_Nougat ยท 444 points ยท Posted at 02:24:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
OK
IrateBarnacle ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 02:27:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is that...legal?
OctagonNorther ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 02:34:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i'll make it legal.
Killchrono ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 02:57:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
iamthesenate.mp4
more_than_a_hammer ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:59:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's threesome then
Killchrono ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:02:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, an orgy. A surprise, to be sure, but a welcome one.
commandantKenny ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:35:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is legal now.
DeadDay ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:36:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Damn, Octagon works fast
DarthBrutus91 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:34:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I will make it legal.
MeatTornadoLove ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:52:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its treason then
willmcavoy ยท 71 points ยท Posted at 02:27:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
sigh ... unzips
[deleted] ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 02:29:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:43:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Martin5hkreli ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:58:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I fucking love this subreddit
CaterpillarsNight ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 02:59:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's her TFA outfit - I think that's a vision.
Edit: Everything Snoke is saying is directed to Kylo.
Lord_Boborch ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 04:29:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not her TFA outfit, that's her new jedi robe
CaterpillarsNight ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 05:12:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even then - I still think it's a vision. Sge says at day she noticed sge needs help. Maybe because she was tortured in her sleep.
I just don't think she will end up with Snoke unless the movie is 3 hours long and has a cliffhanger ending.
a_smith51 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:57:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice
Axon14 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:38:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FOokin' reddit
DeadDay ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:41:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm shocked it was so fast
saucytryhard ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:42:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The internet never disappoints
a_fish_out_of_water ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:38:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Something something Rule 34
DeadDay ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:32:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Beautiful
itaveL ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:52:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A surprise, to be sure, but a welcome one.
ProfessorDerp22 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:26:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well now..
mrsuns10 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:40:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bang Bros
apathic ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:57:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A small part - literally - just went to hell for laughing at that.
DeadDay ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:06:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just turrible
CaterpillarsNight ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:58:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It could be a nightmare. She is wearing her TFA outfit in the Snoke scene. Or a vision.
I don't think Snoke and Rey will meet. Everything snoke says is directed to Kylo.
whitemamba83 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:52:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good point. Rey's vision was a pretty big source of misdirects in the TFA trailers (Luke kneeling down next to R2 and Kylo in the rain with the Knights of Ren being the main examples).
theredditoro ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:18:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. Don't know when that is compared to the final shot.
motorheadluke ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:18:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe he is sucking the life force out of her.
jacktrades90 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:25:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds kinky.
Julius-n-Caesar ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:27:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, there's the theory Vader did it to Padme. So... she died of autoerotic asphyxiation then?
Freckled_daywalker ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:29:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just erotic, not autoerotic. The auto means you're doing it to yourself.
GeauxTiger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:45:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
but you agree that its erotic?
pervert.
Freckled_daywalker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:55:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not really my kink, but hey, whatever floats people's boats, as long as they're being safe about it.
motorheadluke ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:34:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't remember what sort of being it is (Snoke) but they apparently gain strength by pulling the life out of strong force users.
Obi1DidntHave2Die ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:46:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're thinking of Darth Nihilus
motorheadluke ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:49:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is it possible Snoke is the same type of being as Darth Nihilus? Just majorly wounded and deformed?
Obi1DidntHave2Die ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:04:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would be interesting but I kind've doubt they would go in that direction unless Snoke actually is Plagueis like everyone thinks. If I remember right Nihilus basically died in the mandalorian wars from the mass shadow generator and the only way he's still alive is through draining the life force of others, including at several points draining entire planets. It might make sense if that's how plagueis would have survived all these years after sidious "killed" him in his sleep given that plagueis was long hailed as this dude who could basically harness life and death because of his absolute power over midichlorians. Would be a really cool nod to the prequels, as bad as they were.
Edit 1: found a source for the info on Nihilus http://villains.wikia.com/wiki/Darth_Nihilus
motorheadluke ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:22:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for the response, what you're saying makes sense. I will read through that link (and probably be up all night reading everything on there haha).
FireShots ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:31:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely Brazzers
jsstealthss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:05:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like something Darth Plagueis would do.
fenwaygnome ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:10:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
that can't be snoke cuz snoke is 10000 feet tall
eyeh8u ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:41:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can't say that's him for sure. You can see a mass of gold colored something in the background, which looks like his robes from the shot just before, but that could honestly be anything or anyone.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:42:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
His praetorian guards are in the shot... Next you'll tell me the robotic hand shots are ACTUALLY Anakin's...
stationhollow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:36:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Vision cave explains that shit
TheBigAndy ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:19:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean you literally see it in the trailer...
vhiran ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:38:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like a major error on her part. Imagine if Luke went straight to the emperor after training with Yoda for a while. Just a horrible mistake.
willmcavoy ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:13:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only watching it once and not pouring over it again and again for clues. I wanted to watch it to build hype but I'm not digging deep to try and ruin it for myself.
Sooners19 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:19:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yet here you are..in a reaction thread riddled with spoilers and loose conclusions.
3sheetz ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:39:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stop talking sense you maniac
ILikeMasterChief ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean there's literally a 0% chance you glean any useful information from this. You might make up a theory based on the trailer, and that theory might turn out correct, but that theory was nothing more than a shot in the dark. You won't "know" anything until the movie comes out
Ready2Ruumble ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:27:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
rey going to the darkside theory confirmed !!!!!!!!!!!!
zombietiger ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:20:16 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wish I didn't see the trailer but comments got me too hyped. Now I'm more hyped than ever before ๐ญ๐ญ
eatmymonkey ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:12:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe because Luke is Snoke?
Professor_Crab ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:15:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There was a third child
eatmymonkey ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:26:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe.
willmcavoy ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:13:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The trailer really didn't hint at that at all.
Aint_not_a_dorkus ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 02:14:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AND THATS WHY IT MUST BE TRUE
eatmymonkey ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:26:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well yeah. It's not meant to. Was just a thought.
BStrait57 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:28:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or it's a cheap Hollywood "dream sequence." Who knows at this point.
Unglossed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:34:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Could be a dream or a force vision when she holds Skywalker's saber again.
CaptainKyloStark ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:11:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
meesa think so too
Captain-Faptain ยท 401 points ยท Posted at 02:08:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I always thought Rey would be the evil one, while Kylo would redeem himself.
FloopyMuscles ยท 173 points ยท Posted at 02:10:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can you be redeemed after helping kill literally billions of people?
Edit: Vader was manipulated and then brought to mental submission to the Emperor. Once he realized he was being played it was too late. Not to mention the Emperor made him think the Jedi were the enemy. Ben was just insecure and killed literally billions of innocent civilians. Also we don't know the full story of how he became dark, but Anakin was brought in trying to save Padame, Ben was turned for power possibly..Edit Edit: I say Vader wasn't redeemed, but Anakin was for breaking Vader's hold in the end.
Edit: I give Vader himself was redeemed and Iโll wait for Kylo.
tatsumakisenpuukyaku ยท 203 points ยท Posted at 02:12:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Vader was
waveduality ยท 51 points ยท Posted at 02:20:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Billions of voices crying out in horror might disagree.
gotham77 ยท 53 points ยท Posted at 02:33:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Redemption doesnโt require forgiveness.
BlackPresident ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:27:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
depending on the circumstance forgiveness and redemption are the same
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:04:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Incorrect
zaphod_beeble_bro ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:10:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Vader is like good guy Hitler in Preacher! he means well.
BridgetheDivide ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:51:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well they were silenced so they can't. So youngling-killer Ani stands redeemed.
Gnarbuttah ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:16:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Empire did nothing wrong
[deleted] ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 02:17:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Define "Redeemed"
MethodMZA ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 02:37:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He realized he shouldnโt have done that.
Poc4e ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 02:47:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep... Good enough for me ยฏ\_(ใ)_/ยฏ
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:58:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would say a better word for that would be acceptance, he didn't do anything to redeem himself he just acknowledged his wrong doings.
NGMajora ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:12:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Next time I will kill less people"- Vader
gotham77 ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 02:42:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I canโt speak for who youโre asking but to me itโs like salvation. Youโre redeemed when you reject evil and turn to good. Thatโs all it takes. Darth Vader redeemed himself at the end of Return of the Jedi. But while โredemptionโ may cleanse his soul it doesnโt necessarily absolve him of guilt. The redeemed Anakin Skywalker, if he hasnโt died on Death Star II, would still have to be put on trial for his Crimes Against Humanity.
Redemption is a personal thing that neither requires nor guarantees forgiveness for ones misdeeds. Ben can be redeemed even if the families of all his victims still are justified in hating him.
3xTheSchwarm ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:14:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We feel he is redeemed because we are watching through Lukes eyes, and Luke sees Anakin redeemed as a father. But to any other character, hes hardly redeemed as a man.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:57:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hmmmm, I thought of it more as other people judging what you've done, and making up for it. I don't think Vader really ever did anything to make up for his misdeeds, save killing the emperor (and then subsequently thousands of soldiers, ruining countless lives...)
BuckeyeEmpire ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 02:21:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
From a certain point of view.
Julius-n-Caesar ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:29:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, not really. He was practically space Nazi incarnate. So dry your eyes Erik, doesn't erase the things you've done.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:51:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Had Vader survived DS2 the galaxy at large would not have accepted his redemption. He needed to pay for all the atrocities he committed. It wouldn't have been justice otherwise.
TheGRS ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:17:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seduced
3xTheSchwarm ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:12:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think Vader was redeemed in Lukes eyes as a father. But not redeemed as a man to the people of the star wars galaxy as a whole. Or to the audience watching from earth.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:16:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Billions doe
Atheldemic ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:13:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which was a surprise, to be sure
lordtuts ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:15:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:52:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Possibly.
CaptainNerdatron ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:15:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But a welcome one.
thrownormal ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:22:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Vader was. And he died. I don't think Kylo is redeemable without a similar sacrifice. Otherwise, things might get a little awkward when he goes to apply for a job, you know, when this is all over.
chief_matt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:25:34 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm sure he could get one as a radar technician or something. Maybe under a different name
FloopyMuscles ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:13:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But he was manipulated and mentally broken into submission, I don't think Ben had the same happen to him. Snoke just abused his insecurities.
crooks4hire ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 02:22:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exploitation is exploitation... Palpatine used Anakins emotion, Snoke uses Ben's insecurity.
disintegore ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:37:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The dude blew up billions just to mess with his daughter. Come on now.
FloopyMuscles ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:38:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Daughter?
disintegore ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:39:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I meant Vader. Should have specified.
Invincidude ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:48:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tarkin ordered the destruction of Aalderan, not Vader.
disintegore ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:18:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh shit. That's right. My bad.
Binge_DRrinker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:23:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Was Vader redeemed? I mean he literally did what every Sith before him did when he killed his master. You can say he was doing it for his son, or was he just going on a last ditch effort to get Luke to agree to his plans of killing the emperor and ruling the galaxy together?
gotham77 ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 02:33:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, he was doing it for his son.
The_Magic ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:49:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He had a force ghost which meant he switched to the light before he died.
Gulltyr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:57:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Plenty of sith Lords pretty behind remnants of themselves.
The_Magic ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:05:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
According to Lucas force ghosts were light side only. He thought long and hard about whether or not to allow Revan's ghost to show up in the Clone Wars cartoon and that was the answer he gave the show runner.
dron57 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:26:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sirh lord's force ghosts are tied to holocron artifacts. Slightly different technique.
TheDamnBoyWonder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:08:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I always thought the difference was that Sith tied, their will to certain objects. And would manifest themselves that way. Also holograms, Star Wars definitely has holograms.
RendiaX ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:31:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Voldemort was a Sith! He tied himself to the horcruxes with the force.
The_Eyesight ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:56:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
None of the above.
It was the will of the force that Sidious died to bring balance.
totalysharky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:34:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude literally murdererd a bunch of children and then helped kill billions plus the planet they were all living on. I don't know if that is redeemable. I know it was redeemed in the movies but something tells me the idea of him murdering children wasn't in the writing process during RotJ.
Charlie_Wax ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 02:22:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's a cool theory that Kylo Ren isn't really evil, but is Luke's mole trying to get to Snoke. It brings new subtext to all of his interactions in the first movie with Vader's helmet and his dialogue when he kills Han. Basically that him being evil is a front to gain Snoke's trust ala Billy Costigan in The Departed.
FloopyMuscles ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 02:25:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
JJ killed that theory. He said that Kylo was actually extremly close to being redemed before he killed Han.
Charlie_Wax ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 02:26:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right, and Kit Harrington said Jon Snow was really dead.
FloopyMuscles ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 02:27:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He was really dead technically.
the_jak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:45:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
what is dead may never die
Invincidude ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:54:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't get how everyone misses that Kylo didn't "just" kill his dad.
He did specifically, EXACTLY, the thing that Luke REFUSED to do, which was the moment that Luke truly became a Jedi.
Kylo won't be redeemed.
FlyingGrayson89 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, Benedict Cumberbatch wasn't Khan either.
MapleBaconCoffee ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:49:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except we have zero clue who Snoke is, and no reason to care.
Charlie_Wax ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:50:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It seems pretty clear that he's the main villain in the new trilogy in the same sense that the Emperor was in the original trilogy. So while we as the audience might not care, if Luke knows Snoke is the "real" menace then Luke's priority would probably be taking down Snoke.
fidler ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:33:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And we didnโt even really meet the Emperor until the third movie. Barely in the second movie.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:21:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would be such a cop out.
e5390 ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 02:12:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anakin.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:13:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jar jar
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:16:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When did Kylo kill billions? He might have watched SKB go off, but he didn't give the order.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:40:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He was still complicit in being basically number 2 in the First Order and pushing their agenda.
Vader didn't blow up Alderaan but people blame him for it just the same.
thejawa ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:20:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
RIP EU but Kyp Durron destroyed entire systems and became a very influential Jedi
Thor_2099 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:32:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I loved kyp durron. One of my favorite jedi
JeanLucPicardAND ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:26:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Vader was a good boy!"
Dude. He killed little kids.
FloopyMuscles ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:28:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Vader did a lot of fucked up shit, but he himself admitted to killing Anakin. Also Anakin turned for a chance to save another, Ben turned for power.
hMJem ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:30:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anakin had a lust for power even before visions of Padme dying. He even confessed it was unnatural his hunger for strength and it wasn't the Jedi way.
FloopyMuscles ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:01:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But he wasn't going to kill the Jedi for that. His desire to save Padame was what drove him to seek it no matter the cost.
JeanLucPicardAND ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:01:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The idea that Anakin and Vader are separate people is a dark side lie. We see that now with Kylo Ren struggling to shed his feelings for his family in the new trilogy.
You can't splinter your personality. You can only bury it under trauma.
FloopyMuscles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:03:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Vader did, in the new comics we see him fight and kill Anakin.
JeanLucPicardAND ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:05:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is a manifestation of what is happening in Anakin's mind. Not a reflection of the reality.
The fact that Luke is able to bring Anakin back proves that he was never "killed".
FloopyMuscles ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:08:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He went dormant though. The trauma of being burned alive and finding out everything he did was for nothing broke him.
JeanLucPicardAND ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:13:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True, but that's what I said. The persona of Anakin was buried beneath impenetrable layers of trauma. Vader was a creation of Anakin's own, conjured in the beginning to project a fearsome persona of inhuman power, and then transformed into a shield to prevent him from having to confront his pain.
They were never separate people. That's an impossibility. As with all people, Anakin was a product of his life experiences. Vader was an invention of his imagination. He would never have existed without Anakin.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:37:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Redemption in the SW Universe (and ideally in life) doesnโt mean being forgiven for all youโve done. It means personally overcoming the evil things youโve done, refusing to let them keep you from committing an act of love or sacrifice
Vader/Anakin doesnโt get a free pass for all the awful shit he did. He just proved that he could overcome the evil he had been a part of. Heโll go down in history as a terrible blight, but he refused to let that fact define his last action
gotham77 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:59:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. He is redeemed...but heโs still guilty of what we would call Crimes Against Humanity. If he hadnโt died, heโd still have to be arrested, tried, and punished for what he did. But if heโs truly redeemed himself, he would plead guilty and accept his punishment.
Ryzc ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:13:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo didn't do that though, that was Hux
ItsAmerico ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:30:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"We don't know the full story of how Ben became dark, but let me lay out how clearly we know Ben wasn't at all manipulated." Okay buddy lol
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 02:35:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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ItsAmerico ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:41:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What a silly thing to say lol, Anakin slaughtered his friends and children and attempted to kill his best friend... He did tons of awful things... that's how manipulation works. We don't even know what Ben exactly did, nor how long Snoke was manipulating him. We really know nothing. Outside something happened, he betrayed Luke, and lots of Lukes students died.
BeardedForHerPleasur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:55:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously, replace "Luke" with "Yoda" in that sentence and that's the plot of Revenge of the Sith.
ItsAmerico ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:56:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol pretty much
EnragedChinchilla ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:12:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well yeah, Darth Vader was
CrazyLlamaX ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:12:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, think of Revan in KOTOR
gotham77 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:32:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Redeemed? Absolutely.
Forgiven? Probably not.
JanMichaelVincent16 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:00:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Vader died before he ever faced the consequences of his actions. Kylo might have to made amends.
youngbuck- ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:15:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Vader even got a little blue force ghost in Return of the Jedi after slaying all those younglings.
aBlindHanSolo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:23:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ben was manipulated and then brought to mental submission to Snoke. Once Ben realized he was being played it was too late. Not to mention Snoke made him think the Jedi were the enemy.
bckesso ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:41:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We don't know what turned Ben yet, do we? (Honest question here)
FloopyMuscles ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:59:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We know Snoke watched him for a long time and probably played on his insecurity from being Vader's grandson. Leia and Han didnโt tell Ben he was Vaderโs grandson. He found out when the rest of the galaxy did when someone wanted to run a smear campaign on Leia.
bckesso ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:20:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh. Is this from one of the books? If so, which one?
FloopyMuscles ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:26:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One of the first books
Grembo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:45:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Star Wars: Bloodline, by Claudia Gray is the book you are looking for
bckesso ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:19:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you!!
FromtheGraaave ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:14:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
His Grandpa sure seems to have gotten a pass.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:19:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
#vaderdidnothingwrong
Holovoid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:13:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably closer to trillions.
Captain-Faptain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:14:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anakin Skywalker did.
Magoonie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:21:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, he'll have to do a lot of community service but it's do-able.
AnAccountMadeForQs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:38:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, we don't know what actually caused Ben to turn in the first place. He could have undergone the same type of brain-washing and we just haven't seen it yet.
dalovindj ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:43:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, you gotta break a few eggs to make an omelet. Nobody is perfect.
Let bygones be bygones, I say.
Splashforce ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:43:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We don't know yet, but it's looking like Kylo may have been manipulated in a similar way, maybe even at a younger age.
infinight888 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:47:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe if you save billions of people?
thesaga ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:34:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with you. Difference between Kylo and Vader is I was immediately on board to get behind Vader once he turned. I dislike Kylo too much. They'd have to work pretty damn hard to get the audience behind him.
frapalotie ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:44:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except he murdered his dad, for the writers to walk that back would be tricky
NostalgiaZombie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:56:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Vader murdered his dad.
stationhollow ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 08:37:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wasn't Vader a jesus baby?
NostalgiaZombie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:54:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ben.
BenjaminTalam ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 02:36:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's what I was hoping for from the beginning but I just don't think Disney will let that happen with Rey. They are banking too hard on her being the newest strong female protagonist for every girl to be for Halloween.
Phillip-_J_-Fry ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:00:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm inclined to agree with you but everyone loves the dark side. Plus there were lots of boys dressing up as Kylo after seeing him kill Han. Why can't little girls dress up as the bad guy?
BenjaminTalam ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:02:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with you that girls can be into villains just like guys can. I just think Disney doesn't think that's true/see it that way.
speccers ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:43:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is the answer with Rey. NO chance Disney let's her be the baddie.
Kalayo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:45:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, for sure.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:03:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
plus she doesn't wear a hat with a skull on it.
Wallywallsthe2nd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:47:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, anyone who thinks the new flagship strong female character is going to legitimately turn evil is deluding themselves. Maybe she has some wavering on whether to go bad or not, but it won't stick.
colinmchapman ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 02:25:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Zero chance Rey becomes evil. Not after the amount of girl friendly merch Disney has put out for this film.
Captain-Faptain ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:26:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol that's a good point. Disney won't fuel young girls with angst.
nxqv ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 08:48:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cinderella? The little mermaid? Lots of their princesses are fueled by angst
ThatTexasGuy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:45:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably not outright evil, but she may become justifiably angry when she finds out who abandoned her on Jakku all those years.
szechuan_steve ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 02:46:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think people like Rey because of what a fun and positive female role model she is. She was written and played in a way that didn't pander or preach. From an audience appeal standpoint, making her a villain would be unexpected, but I would expect ultimately rejected.
As often as it's theorized, I believe audiences would have a hard time accepting Kylo as having been redeemed after the trauma of witnessing his committal of patricide on-screen.
It also seems implausible that someone who recognized this murder as making the perpetrator a monster would then side with with them in order to learn.
Chisstastic ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 03:09:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Especially since Rey already explicitly rejected Kylo's "help" during their lightsaber fight in TFA. It was a powerful moment of her essentially seizing the Force and making it her own. For her to then change her mind and go looking for Kylo's help after all would be awfully regressive.
wreckingballheart ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:59:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If she feels rejected by Luke, who else would she turn to in order to continue learning about the force? I bet Luke rejects her because he is scared of her, and that makes her remember/change her mind about Kylo's offer.
citharadraconis ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 11:45:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it'd be more likely for her to decide she doesn't need him and can learn more and/or confront Snoke on her own. It fits her personality and history, and it mirrors Luke leaving Dagobah againstโ Yoda's advice.
Mimikyu2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:03:45 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The problem there is that it would contribute to people thinking they did it again by rehashing Empire.
Valestis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:05:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're gonna bang, OK?
tinyturtletricycle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:20:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah they really built her up into a "strong female lead." The humor in that fight/chase sequence on Jakku when Finn keeps trying to help her and she doesn't need or want his help.
fidler ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:38:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Vader fucking killed Obi-Wan, as well as half the Jedi order (including many children), imprisoned Leia, threw Han in carbonite and shipped him off to Jabba, and still managed to be redeemed.
szechuan_steve ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:35:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. Even ignoring the prequels, he was pretty irredeemable already. I personally found the killing of younglings to be a bridge too far. I completely lost interest in Anakin as a character at that point, and many did. The prequels were poorly planned and executed in my opinion for that very reason. There are psychological and social boundaries that are difficult to un-cross.
It can be argued, and often is, that Vader didn't kill Obi-Wan. Obi-Wan lets Vader hit him. Vader also stomps on his cloak, which means he's checking to see if Obi-Wan is still alive. Yes, perhaps out of a sense of triumph, but also just as likely, distrust and surprise.
Think about this: characters in the Star Wars universe have been completely severed by lightsabers and survived. It's more likely Vader had planned to inflict heavy damage than a killing blow. In line with his character, he would then have the chance to gloat of his superiority: something he constantly did in the prequels (and in Empire Strikes Back - "All too easy!")
Why would Obi-Wan let Vader kill him? Simple: his militant light side ideology informed his need to steer Luke to the "correct" side of the force. Luke's first personal experience with Vader is now one in which he's killed Luke's friend and mentor. Even when Luke does find out who Vader is, it will now be much more difficult for Luke to find the desire to follow in his father's footsteps.
Or, more complicated but still entirely plausible: Obi-Wan finally understood the need for balance. He knew setting Vader up would later cause Luke to question whether militant light-side extremism was truly the answer. What's apparent until the very last appearance of Obi-Wan is that he's been less than forthcoming to Luke through the entirety of their relationship. Indeed, Luke controversially dons traditional Sith garb and uses dark side force abilities to choke Gamorreans at Jabba's palace. Luke is clearly frustrated with Obi-Wan's bullshit by episode VI. We know that the force allows users to see future possibilities. We know that like Qui-Gon, Obi-Wan is a believer in the prophecy of one who will bring balance. We also know that Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon have communicated after Qui-Gon's death. It is therefore not unlikely that between them and Yoda, they too are becoming redeemed by helping steer Luke towards balance and away from blind, militant obedience to self-righteous social justice. Were this the case, Obi-Wan's (pre-meditated) dubious behavior would definitely cause Luke to think more deeply about what was truly right.
It requires observance, with little mental gymnastics to show that Vader could still be redeemed after his final deal with Obi-Wan. However, there is no easy way to redeem Anakin's character after the events of the prequels, a large reason why people dislike them so much.
TL;DR Obi-Wan's death may not have been murder on Vader's part, but pre-meditated on Obi-Wan's in order to spur Luke towards the proper path. Prior to the prequels, this observation made it easier to accept Anakin's redemption.
Edits for clarity and autocorrect bullshit.
fidler ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:31:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But they happened and are canon and that means you can't just discount them because you personally didn't like them.
You could also argue the same thing for Han...he knew he had to face Ben and that meant he might be killed by his very own son.
I say just enjoy the stories we get, and don't completely shut out being open to a plot line because it's not how you wish it was written.
szechuan_steve ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:17:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uh...yes I can. Plenty of people do. Plenty of people for whatever reason like the prequels, but there are just as many, if not more, who hate them. They're quite polarizing: something canon can't change, much to Disney's chagrin.
He very well could have, yes. But the look on his face as he was lanced by Kylo's saber seemed to me to reflect the opposite.
Earlier in TFA, Han shows he genuinely believes he can talk his way out of anything. For all the growth he's had as a person, he's always struggled with self-evaluation and overconfidence. Based on his previous actions, it's more likely he genuinely thought he'd change things. But, we really don't know.
People didn't hate the prequels because they were disappointed. They hated the prequels because the prequels were disjointed. They didn't work well with the previous stories we'd been told. You can (and I do) very easily ignore everything that happens before ANH and still love and enjoy Star Wars.
And that's the problem. If you can totally wipe out the prequels and still have a fantastic story, that means that nothing that happened in the prequels even fucking matters. They were a meaningless waste. If they had been written in a way they felt cohesive and critical to the universe and story, it would be difficult to write them off. Hell, even Rogue One, Clone Wars, and Rebels are great replacements for the prequels. So, my Star Wars experience is fantastically complete without the prequel movies. (Which, we never got to see because George Lucas died of the brain cancers, God rest 'im.)
fidler ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:21:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you just don't like the prequels. Got it.
szechuan_steve ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:37:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. And I rant a lot. :(
szechuan_steve ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:46:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes I can LOL
And I do. I'm not alone either. People have made documentaries about how much they hate the prequels. Docu-fuckin'-mentaries. Music. TV. Written word. All on how shitty the prequels are. They're so mis-aligned it's quite easy to pretend they never happened. The only reason people accept them at all is positive campaigns on Disney's part along with people being willing to accept defeat. I don't have to. Never will so long as I live, so help me. That's me. If you like them, great. That's good for you. I get it: they have meaning for you. That's fine. I can accept that. But I'm completely and totally allowed to have my opinion just as you are.
fidler ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:50:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, dude, I'm saying you can't ignore accounting for what Anakin did in the prequels just because you didn't like it. You said you were ignoring the prequels because they were "poorly planned". Actions in those movies are still part of the character.
You even state that killing the kids was a "psychological and social boundaries that are difficult to un-cross"...therefore that makes it even less ridiculous that we could see Kylo 'redeem' himself just for killing pops.
szechuan_steve ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:40:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can you clarify what you mean there? I'm not sure I understand what you're saying.
szechuan_steve ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:03:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not even talking about ignoring it because I didn't like it. I'm talking about audience appeal from a psychological standpoint. And it's not as if I'm the only person in the universe who hated the prequels. Far from it. And this is why. The character the prequels center around isn't a likable character in the least.
I'm not sure how, if people have a difficult time accepting Anakin's redemption because of his actions Kylo's would somehow be less difficult to accept? Yes, they happened, but somehow people on this subreddit seem to think that means we need to like and accept it. No. No, it doesn't.
And that's exactly what I'm talking about: the difficulty many people had, and do have, in accepting someone has suddenly been redeemed after having been a complete, massive dickhole. Can it happen? Sure. But the psychology presents a large and difficult barrier to audiences.
fidler ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:14:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think you're just more worried about the underpinnings of the story being perfectly balanced and the 'psychology of the audience' than finding entertainment in them. I have issues with the prequels too, but acting like they were objectively impossible to enjoy or understand just sounds like not much fun.
I just try to enjoy the stories, especially when we haven't even seen the second movie of the trilogy yet
infinight888 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:49:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That just means it's a challenge, and the payoff will be that much greater when he's redeemed. Anyone can redeem a villain who never did anything that bad. Nobody will expect to ever see the guy who killed his father as a hero, and that fact is what makes it worth doing.
szechuan_steve ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:03:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It can be done, but it's difficult. Very. And polarizing. Disney isn't likely to take such a complex risk. One of the reasons the prequels were/are so maligned was Anakin's story arc. I don't know anyone who thinks someone can be redeemed after killing children. Or family for that matter (in Kylo's case). Killing your father is the ultimate act of betrayal.
Psychologically, if it could be proven that Han Solo was an abusive or bad father, people might buy it. But this takes time to explain in sufficient detail that would allow audiences to accept the explanation. It also goes completely against any and all of his character development in IV, V and VI. Han also shows concern for his son. The kind a poor father isn't likely to have.
So yes, it can be done. But it's risky. And at this point, likely too risky.
infinight888 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:39:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think Disney cares. They seem content to allow Lucas Films to run themselves, creatively at least, as long as they continue to rake in the cash.
That's because he was an awfully written character, even before turning. And in the end, Revenge of the Sith ended up being the best of the prequels specifically because of Anakin's arc.
Plenty of people in this thread have argued that Vader was redeemed. (I actually disagree with that, but because Vader's actions were born out of a selfish desire to save his son rather than to help the Galaxy, not because his past actions made him irredeemable. He did the right thing, but for the wrong reasons.) Jaime Lannister's first action in Game of Thrones was pushing a child out the window, now he's a fan favorite.
That would be an easy way, I suppose.
The more interesting would be to build on what we already known about the character. Snoke is essentially a cult leader. Kylo is brainwashed into believing the Dark Side is the correct path, even as his heart pulls him to the Light. He killed Han out of zealotry, believing that by doing so, he would be curing what was "wrong" with himself. But it didn't work. And now, he sees his father's face everywhere. The loving eyes pleading for him to come home, the look of betrayal as the saber stabs into him. He sees it in his nightmares when he's sound asleep. He sees it when he stares into the infinite black abyss of space.
And no matter how much he wants to, he can never take back what he's done.
This is where Kylo Ren should begin in Episode VIII. Broken. Haunted. Driving down a road that he chose for himself, but is no longer sure he wants to be on. And yet, he can't change it, can't go back and make things better. He has to go forward, knowing that he has the blood of the one man who loved him unconditionally on his hands.
Now he's coming to a fork. One path leads to the Darkness, to being the heir to the First Order. The other path leads to the Light. Down this path, Ben will never be forgiven for what he's done, not even by himself. But he can still do his best to right his wrongs, to be the man his Han would have wanted him to be. All he needs is a nudge, A final push to finish shattering his faith in Snoke, The First Order, and the Dark Side itself.
szechuan_steve ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:16:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Firing directors for the Han Solo movie, episode IX, and re-shooting Rogue One is hardly "hands-off". They're watching Star Wars like a controlling mother hawk.
And while the story can be written, and written well, what I'm talking about is acceptance by the audience on a psychological level. Most humans ascribe to a social justice system which outlaws murder. Many humans also participate in a religious system which condemns murder.
I'll be honest, I find it disturbing that there are fans who believe someone can magically become a better person after killing their father, or a large group of children. That doesn't at all reflect reality. And people know it. People simply aren't going to willingly buy that someone suddenly changes from a murderer to a nice guy because they found their morals. There's a reason murderers spend the rest of their lives in a prison cell.
Go watch some documentaries on famous murderers. Some have remorse, but some would do it again given the chance. And some fear what would happen if they were to go free.
Further, comparisons to Game of Thrones is a bit of apples to oranges: the target audiences are vastly different. I personally find Game of Thrones to be medieval violence and porn wrapped in a thin story where everyone dies. It's not for everyone. Star Wars has a large target audience that includes children.
Ultimately, you can't give back the life you take. There's no "fixing" a murder.
I will agree with Snoke being a cult leader, even using his own force abilities to exert control over Kylo. In that regard, Kylo was young and had been taken advantage of, much in the same way many children are groomed by a perv. Kids are convinced to do horrible things by their evil, controlling captors. So you're right: it's not too late to redeem Kylo.
Edit: re-read your response and fixed mine a bit.
Bluntmasterflash1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:37:08 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it would make a kick-ass movie if they do it right. The real question is. does mickey mouse have the balls to do it?
It'll rustle a lot of jimmies, but that's what good entertainment is all about.
szechuan_steve ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:38:53 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really don't think they do have the balls, that's what I've been trying to get at with my wordy tirades. It could be done, but it's hard to pull off in a way you don't piss people off IMO
Bluntmasterflash1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:40:51 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They killed Bambi's mom tho.
szechuan_steve ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:42:36 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True, but that was a long time ago, and not with a precious, multi-billion dollar franchise. But it could happen. We really won't know until we see.
23secretflavors ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:24:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is she fun and positive though? So far she's been incredibly powerful with absolutely no training, beating a Skywalker in both the Force and lightsaber combat. But to top it all off, she's just boring.
Honestly, when watching the trailer, I couldn't even remember her name. Fin is fun, Poe is fun, Kylo Ren is actually fun to watch on screen, but I couldn't care less about Rey.
szechuan_steve ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:36:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would be the first I've heard someone express distaste for Rey. To each his/her own though.
23secretflavors ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:59:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Really? I'm not trying to be rude, I'm genuinely shocked you haven't heard this before.
After the movie came out, the internet kind of went nuts. People like Max Landis and some movie youtubers called Rey a boring Mary Sue and everyone responded with they're misogynist. Landis spent weeks trying to get the hate to stop. He's pretty known for being progressive but when he called Rey a Mary Sue, you would've thought he was literally beating women on the streets for fun.
szechuan_steve ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:32:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not a huge fan of the modern social justice scene, don't get me wrong. I am a big fan of empowering women. I realized just how important a character Rey was when I heard women get excited about her character. Women who, by their own admission didn't really like Star War before Rey. So, my experience (as yours is) is anecdotal. I can certainly appreciate that this all boils down to opinion.
23secretflavors ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:40:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't get me wrong, I don't dislike her because she's a woman. And I'm glad more people have gotten into Star Wars because of her.
I just think she's a really poorly written character.
szechuan_steve ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:04:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't mean to imply that I thought you were being sexist by your dislike of the character. In fact, I'm old and tired and forgot what the fuck my point was LOL
No hard feelings at all though, I'm an overzealous Star Wars nerd who might succeed in life if I had as much passion about everything else as I do Star Wars LOL
23secretflavors ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:08:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No harm done, friend. Nowadays, considering views I have and that I'm on Reddit, I feel the need to preface controversial ideas with something like "we just have differences in opinions; I'm not evil or full of hate."
szechuan_steve ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:20:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's sad that people think an opinion makes someone evil or hateful, isn't it. I'm betting most everyone here can agree that Star War is a nice break from the real world.
WokeUpAsADonut ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:15:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I kind of want both, like a sort of forced team up kind of thing, both taking on Snoke
DarkJedi3000 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:19:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If they go that route then hopefully the majority of the film just focuses on Rey and Kylo's struggle with the light and dark side.
Texaz88 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:48:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Evil is a point of view.... "From My Point of View the Jedi are Evil" "Then you truly let are Lost" Makes since
Jarmatus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:59:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rey is British and Kylo is American, so it has to happen.
Hippiecheezburger ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:30:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe Finn is evil
00lucas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:54:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think Kylo left the dark side and then he will join Rey trough a new way, because she is confused too. That's my bet on what the last scene meant.
Captain_cranky_au ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:01:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well she does have an English accent so yeah basically means sheโs a baddie
Magoonie ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:27:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I toyed around with the idea in my head a bit but now I REALLY want a Rey/Kylo double turn. Maybe mid fight at the end of this movie.
shadow_of_octavian ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:28:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would believe this theory after hearing all her lines in battlefront 2. A lot of them are very aggressive for someone "good."
VVhiteLightning ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:08:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably talking to her as he was force bending her, as seen later in the trailer
godofallcows ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:38:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup, same yellow cloak.
ardx ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:24:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if the thing we see Leia reacting to isn't Kylo, but Rey?
wings31 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:12:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think you are right. You can see Snooke force pushing/holding Rey in midair near the end of the trailer
HellTrain72 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:03:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TOTALLY talking to Rey. Ren will return to the light. He can't kill his mother. You see it in his eyes in his ship. That's why he crushes his helmet. Snoke has abandoned him for Rey by the time the "special" pitch is being made. It's concluded with "Fulfill your destiny" while Snoke is torturing her in last frame.
Este-ban ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:08:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely.
champdave ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:28:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is my guess. He says 'when I found you...' Does that mean that it was Snoke who left Rey on Jakku?
nosleeptilmanhattan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:38:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
rey snoke???
Tehcuda ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:29:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rey Palpatine
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:22:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The way they do a hard cut from Kylo to Rey right at the end of that line definitely makes me think this is right.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:22:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, because Kylo doesn't seem like the kind of guy to be "found." He was the son of Han and Leia. Rey, on the other hand, came out of nowhere, so it makes sense he would seek out her powers.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:00:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is my take. What if snoke is sending force sensitive kids to remote planets to make them suffer and easy to convert to the dark side
knightofsparta ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:17:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This was my exact thoughts than it shows Rey. That was definitely him talking to her before he force gripped her at the end of the trailer.
Workodactyl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:38:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but maybe Snoke found Rey when she was really young. Maybe she left him deformed? Then she was taken away and Snoke tapped Kylo many years later.
I always thought it was weird how Kylo reacted to the knowledge of a girl with BB-8 in TFA. โWHAT GIRL?!โ Maybe Snoke told him about this remarkable girl he found and maybe Kylo thought this was her, thought he could teach her, so they both could fight Snoke?
dbjob ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:54:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe it was the power of love all along that saved Rey and left Snoke weak and deformed.
He had to go in hiding after missing his assassination attempt on Rey. He was too weak to fight back but now he got his power back and is ready to adava kadavra Rey.
TheLivingMeme-olith ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:44:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
what if Snokeโs been using Kylo this whole time in order to get to Rey?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:45:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
SNoke didnโt find Rey
ThatGetItKid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:45:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably. It looked like he was torturing her near the end of the trailer.
He might just turn her to the dark side.
AbsolXGuardian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:45:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds more like Palpatine taking to Gallus, but that makes zero sense. But the word "found" is interesting. It means he didn't seek out Snoke during Kylo's quest for power.
metalhead4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:46:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also Kylo blowing Leia up?
dre__ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:00:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I bet rey and kylo are siblings. They already copied most of the shit from episode 4, them being bother/sister is most likely what would happen.
Luke also said that he only saw the raw power before and he was afraid, which was probably from kylo.
Coldspark824 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:01:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If he's plagueis then he could even have been talking to darth sidious in a flashback or something. It's vague.
RocketMan0225 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:02:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is what Iโm thinking. And if itโs true, the words โWhen I found youโ have some serious implications.
TheGayslamicQueeran ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:37:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snoke is Amidala confirmed.
HawkeyeHero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:51:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's talking to Luke.
DudeTheBagMan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:16:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think Rey being in his force-hold at the end and the similar tone of both pieces of dialogue confirm this.
AlbertChessa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:37:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely โ sheโs floating in front of his throne!!!
Ianchez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:44:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't think so, the whole trailer was a parallel between Kylo and Rey paths, they are very similar.
derpington_the_fifth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:01:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snoke is seen wearing gold clothing of some kind and then in that scene where Rey is getting tortured or some shit thereโs somebody in the background wearing a gold dress, prolly Snoke force-waterboarding her.
ShadowPhoenix22 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:12:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure it's Ben, but, why do you think Rey?
two_eurosteps ยท 338 points ยท Posted at 02:05:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
that was my thinking too. i'm guessing probably half the things we saw won't go down they way they were made out to
zanson8 ยท 210 points ยท Posted at 02:07:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
isn't that the point of half the star wars trailers?
hippy_barf_day ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:41:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely not this one
DamienWright ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:03:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Disagree.
Luke kissing Leia was a red herring, as was making Lando look like a bad guy.
watertaco ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:29:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Meh, Lando did kind of sell them out....even with context they could've all been killed.
Textual_Aberration ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:31:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Arctica23 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:08:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This isn't going to go the way that you think.
RocketTasker ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:49:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Revenge of the Sith definitely isn't part of that half.
LovecraftInDC ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:54:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why do people say this? How was the Force Awakens trailer a misdirect in any way other than Finn holding a saber?
Whatah ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:06:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That was pretty big though. The first batch of toys also tried to hide that fact by not packaging Rey with any lightsabers
ksb012 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:47:00 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eh. Revenge of the Sith pretty much told the whole plot in the trailer. But we all knew what was going to happen anyway, so it might not have been as obvious to someone who hasnโt seen Star Wars
vonnillips ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:08:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rian kinda gave a warning though to not watch the trailer if you wanna know nothing. Not that that definitively means anything, but it's something to consider.
I would not be ready to root for Kylo if he comes a good guy within one film though. Dude literally just killed fucking Han Solo.
two_eurosteps ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:30:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
my interpretation of that warning was that we know some, so now we can start formulating ideas for what we think's going to happen over the next two months, rather than diving in headfirst and blind, with nothing to go off of.
and yeah, it'd take some legwork for me to come back around on Kylo.
OrionsByte ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:17:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hell Luke even SAID โthis wonโt go the way you think.โ
two_eurosteps ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:50:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
bingo. wait, maybe THATโS supposed to throw us off too. oh god
CU_09 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:18:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thatโs what Luke said
GallopingGepard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hopefully that's so. I hate it when movies show 90% of the plot in the trailers.
hMJem ยท 348 points ยท Posted at 02:07:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, clearly Luke is NOT talking about Rey when he mentions that power that now scares him.
Kylo killing Leia I could see though.
[deleted] ยท 493 points ยท Posted at 02:13:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's perfectly logical to assume when he says he's seen this power before, he is saying Rey has the power Kylo does. Rey and Kylo seem to be intertwined.
axxell101 ยท 323 points ยท Posted at 02:24:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think hes referring to Vader. Think about it. He was never afraid of Vader, said as much to Yoda, and what did Yoda tell him? "You will be. You will be". It makes sense that seeing his father's raw power in another, now that he's older and wiser in the force, would scare him. Especially with his failure as a Master.
NK1337 ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 03:05:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, I think it ties back to the theory that Luke trained Kylo at first and then Kylo went out of control which is what led Luke to blame himself and go into exile.
It seems to fit with his statement of "I've seen this raw strength only once before. It couldn't scare me enough then. It does now," is a reference to the regret he feels over his part in guiding Kylo and nurturing his gift.
Needbouttreefiddy ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 03:32:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But I didn't think Kylo was that powerful with the force?
VasectoMyspace ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 04:50:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What made you think that? Besides that itโs mentioned a few times in TFA how powerful he is, heโs part Skywalker. He has a huge connection to the Force.
stationhollow ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 08:41:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
More powerful than Vader who was "the chosen one"?
Solid_Freakin_Snake ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 11:47:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody ever said he was more powerful than Vader.
Needbouttreefiddy ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 12:46:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm probably wrong, I just got the vibe that he was nowhere near as powerful as Vader or Luke. At least dark side powerful. Maybe he's super light side powerful? Idk
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 13:47:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Untrained/inexperienced, sure. But he caught a blaster bolt like it was nothing.
Dude's definitely got raw power.
cdegallo ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 03:41:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know, he freezes blaster bolts mid air. Darth Vader only blocked them with his hands..
Limuni13 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 09:44:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He actually froze and redirected it in Rogue One
cdegallo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:57:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh wow, I totally missed that.
flingerdinger ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:46:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo is a skywalker even in the fucked up canon skywalkers are gifted in the force. Leia who isnt even trained in this universe is able to feel the deaths of people closest to her and thats a skill we've only seen trained jedi use like Luke, Obi-Wan and Yoda
MrThomasWeasel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:45:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Theory"? Didn't they outright tell us this was what happened?
rhar323 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 02:58:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I immediately thought of the scene with Yoda when all I could think about his how afraid Luke looks. He was confident against Sidious. Doesn't look to be so here (from the given cuts)
axxell101 ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 03:03:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's because it's more personal now. From his actions and reactions in the trailer, he seems kind of like a broken man, and seeing that scale of power again, after he's failed and indirectly caused huge tragedies because of it, with a less powerful Padawan in Kylo, terrifies him. Sidious was never a source of fear for him, because Sidious was never good in Luke's eyes. And now that's he's failed once, in the worst possible way, he's reminded of Yoda's failure with Dooku, And Obi-Wan's failure with Anakin, and the fact that someone as powerful as his father wants to train under him, has shaken him to his core.
Vaspir ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:42:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's going to be a massive cop out if Rey is as powerful as Vader.
gyutop ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 02:36:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It could imply that Rey is Anakin 2.0 aka a Force experiment done by some bad guys to make a powerful Force user. I'm still not sure he means Vader though. This movie is gonna be insane.
axxell101 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 03:12:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It could. Especially if the Snoke is Plagueis theory is true, but we'll have to wait and see on that.
SnotSandwich ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 03:18:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who is Darth Plagueis? Does he have a tragic tale of some sort?
axxell101 ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 03:20:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno. The Jedi never told me.
anus_reus ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:27:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The last jedi tell the story in this movie, bringing balance to the force.
axxell101 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:30:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Think the entire thing is just gonna be Flashbacks, and Jedi Campfire stories?
rift_in_the_warp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:43:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"This one time at Jedi camp..." cuts to the academy burning amid the shrieks of the dying
Onatu ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:20:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You wouldn't have heard it from a Jedi...
Pidgey_OP ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:28:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean you've never heard the tale of Darth Plagues the Wise?
ProProgrammerSMA ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:50:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anakin was an experiment? What?
stationhollow ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 08:44:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the story is that Darth Plagueis had such mastery over the Force and the Dark Side he could control the energy of life itself. He could make himself live forever and bring others back from death. The story goes he manipulated the midichlorians to create a being that was the strongest Force user for a long time. This ties back in to how Anakin apparently doesn't have a father, his mother just got pregnant one day from the Force itself which sounds like the power Plagueis is said to have had.
Xonadras ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:37:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe this is only partially right, the force rebels against pelagius and creates a being to bring balance to the force which was Anakin. At that time there were 100s of Jedi and 2 sith. By the beginning of episode 4 there are 3 known Jedi and 2 sith. By the end of Episode 6 we have a redeemed dead Anakin, a dead sidious and Luke who is arguably a grey Jedi. Hence the balance.
PerfectZeong ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:49:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How is Luke arguably a 'grey' Jedi? He brings Vader back to the light and redeems him.
Xonadras ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:41:14 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke is arguably a grey Jedi because he still uses his emotion. He gets angry, he choked out a gamorrean guard, episode 6. As I said arguably a grey knight.
PerfectZeong ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:07:02 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How can a grey knight bring someone back to the light? He's a Jedi like his father before him, he literally says it.
Xonadras ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:30:01 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I said grey Jedi, he still follows some of the teachings of the Jedi but still realizes the importance of emotions. He even considers joining vader and the emperor and giving in to the dark side, ultimately he doesn't but uses his anger during the final showdown. I fail to see why him being a grey Jedi, would have any difference in Anakins redemption.
deltaWhiskey91L ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:58:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This.
antoineflemming ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 03:48:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke never saw or knew of Vader's raw power though. He says he wasn't afraid of it then, but he is now. He's talking about training Kylo. He saw Ben Solo's raw power, but didn't fear it, instead continuing to train him. Ben became Kylo Ren and destroyed Luke's order. So, now that he sees that raw power in Rey, he fears it and doesn't want to train her. It kinda mirrors the Jedi not wanting to train Anakin because they saw him as dangerous.
TJGM ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 03:33:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Could be. But when he says that he wasn't afraid of that type of power then, it changes to a shot of him pushing himself out of collapsed wood and then shows his temple burning after Kylo supposedly destroyed it.
He wasn't afraid of Kylo's power then, because he didn't realise how much devastation it could cause. But now that he's seeing it again, in another person, he's refusing to train them because last time he did, it backfired on him.
Either way, it's super interesting. I really cannot wait for this movie.
axxell101 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:37:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You and me both. I'm so excited. Also, if you want my more in depth reasons as to why I instantly thought Vader, theres a reply here somewhere, about the Jedi Orders history of failing with fringe cases, and how that might personally effect his state of mind, what with his failure of Kylo. I dunno, at this point, maybe I should get a psychology degree, lol.
roboscorcher ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:25:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the line Luke says about "not being scared before" is referencing training Kylo. He's more likely to talk about that than explain stuff we already know about Vader.
Wafzig ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:19:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the first time he saw it was the Emperor. He wasn't afraid of the Emperor in RoTJ, quite cocky in fact. Then he got lightning to the face.
This could be the first time he's seeing Emperor type powers in 30+ years.
axxell101 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:23:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's what I thought at first, and maybe my gut reaction there is correct, but as I watched it more, Vader seemed more plausible, considering Luke's personal failures as a Master, and the Jedi's failure as a whole since Dooku, and then Anakin. It seems like he's more terrified of him failing to train that power, than he actually is of the memory of it.
Aequitassb ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:24:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why would he refer to Vader's strength as "raw"?
The whole point of Luke's exile is that he blames himself for Ben turning to the dark side and killing the other students. He wasn't cautious enough with Ben, and he doesn't want to repeat that mistake with Rey.
ronan125 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:59:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't Luke have even more raw power than Vader?
axxell101 ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 03:08:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Canonically, no. Maybe in a couple of the old books, but no one has ever had more raw power than Anakin. Yes, Vader was broken, and the fact that he had so many organs and limbs lost seriously reduced his midi-chlorian count, but even then he was still on par with Luke, up until Luke used his anger to beat him. The Dark Side is quick power, and Luke used that to win, but before he struck his father down, renounced that power, and Declared himself Jedi. From what I gather from Legends, the Knight Trials were about coming face to face with that seductive power and refusing it.
ronan125 ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 03:13:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's canon. George Lucas himself said it long back that Luke Skywalker is the most powerful force user to ever exist.
I hope they won't just forget that. Hate it when a series forgets stuff like that. Like in the Enders game book series Ender is the ultimate, then the author wanted to write a spin off series so he made a minor character who Ender knew out as better than him
axxell101 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 03:20:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He may be the most powerful Force user, but he doesn't have the most raw power. If you'll remember, Jedi don't get power from the Force, the force merely use them as conduits to It's Will. I think Anakin had more raw strength in Force manipulation, but Luke is more in touch with the Living and Unifying Force as a whole, thereby making him technically more powerful overall, but not in terms of raw ability
ronan125 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 03:23:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No but Lucas confirmed that he inherited that from Anakin. Whatever ultra high midchlorian count Anakin had, Luke got too and he used it well.
What I don't like is that movies tend to show the new person as more powerful than the mentor. That's fine but don't do it by going against earlier established things
axxell101 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:28:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yeah I'm not disputing that. Just as far as raw talent and power goes, Anakin had more. I think it probably seems skewed too, because Anakin always had a predisposition for Battle Arts, and Lightsaber combat, whereas Luke seems more like a Meditator, than a fighter. Its a case of Brute Strength vs Finesse, and I was only commenting on the raw power part, not experience or mindful connection to the Force
ronan125 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:31:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If they have the same midchlorian count they should be equally powerful, although lightsabre skills can vary.
But I really hope they show Luke's power in this. Don't make a SKYWALKER just some grumpy teacher who stays in the background. Rooting for a scene like when Dumbledore faced off against Voldemort
axxell101 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:34:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's why I said it might be skewed, as Anakin/Vader always seemed more powerful in the traditional, martial sense of the word. You're probably right. But yeah, if they do wanna make him into the old hermit teacher, I feel like grizzled veteran would be the way to go, not grumpy scared of failing again hermit.
ronan125 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:39:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anakin was trained from childhood so it makes sense that he ll be more skilled with a sabre. Given Luke's more balanced, wiser personality what I want to see from him is pure raw force power. Like move ships and mountains and shit. Show some inner peace
axxell101 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:40:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want him to show Rey she's playing with fire, and like pull a Star Destroyer down, ala Galen Marek, just to prove a point.
ronan125 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:45:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. Or that line of him saying this is not gonna go the way you think, hope it's him saying it to someone trying to take him on
reiko96 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:40:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But Luke defeated Vader in ROTJ and could have sworn Palps sensed power greater than Vader's in Luke
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:53:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because Luke wasn't a 40 year old limbless and emotionally scarred cripple.
cdegallo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:40:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I figured this referenced Luke trying to train Kylo and it went to shit so bad that Luke exiled himself.
axxell101 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:42:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe. I've go more in depth in another post below this one, as a reply, but that's just what I gathered from it, and just tracing his personal family history with these things
theshicksinator ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:46:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Plus he only ever got to see a severely handicapped Anakin, not Anakin at his height.
bckesso ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:36:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My only issue with that is did he ever really see Vader's raw power? Vader toyed with him in one fight and in the next he was overpowered by Luke's.
axxell101 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:39:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure. In the Legends Canon, yes he did. But now, I don't know, as I haven't read any of the new stuff. My second instinct would be Sidious, but im just not sure.
TheKharmeleon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:08:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think heโs talking about Kylo. He didnโt fear his power the way Yoda would. He wasnโt cautious enough. This time when he recognizes it he knows itโs dangerous and it scares him because of what happened.
That said, I do think it would also make sense that heโs referring to Vader, I just think itโs more likely about Kylo.
WolvoMS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:09:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if he's referring to Snoke? Maybe Snoke is another failed apprentice
linuxhanja ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:03:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I actually thought Luke was referring to himself
Hirronimus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:36:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Could it be the connection to Son and Daughter from Clone Wars?
Lord_Ewok ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:47:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man this is good i loved that story line.
WhoTookPlasticJesus ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 02:16:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's implied, but I really hope they don't go the twin route again.
I'm still pulling for Rey to be from the Kenobi line.
SuperGrumpling ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 02:18:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm thinking more along the Yin Yang lines. They are both extremely powerful and dangerous alone, but Rey will find the balance that the Jedi couldn't.
kylo_hen ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 02:18:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Intertwined =/= twins
CmdrMobium ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:50:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you sure?
Intertwined
It's right there!!!!
/s
trek570 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:22:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First cousins.
Sailor_Gallifrey ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:27:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure Kylo Ren is established to be about ~11 years older than Rey.
WhoTookPlasticJesus ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:30:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't know that. That's excellent news. I felt like TFA did a good job of paying homage to the original trilogy, but was afraid they'd lean too heavily on the old tropes.
CaterpillarsNight ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:43:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's 29 on TFA she's hardly 18
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:22:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No way, Kylo killed his entire school of Jedi and whipped his ass. How would he not be scared then, but now scared when someone he is teaching uses the power?
I think he was referencing his father and how he faced him calmly in EP6. And now it seems Rey has the same power of his father. That scares him because he knows what could happen to Rey if she turns out like Anakin.
[deleted] ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 02:25:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, he is referencing how he was training Kylo and how Kylo had immense power. He wasn't scared by it then, until he killed everyone... I thought about the Vader/Emperor/Anakin route, but Rey/Kylo parallels seem too big to ignore.
BoobieBoobieButtButt ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:36:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah that's the super obvious way it was intended, the person above you is way overthinking it
ArrrGaming ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:46:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gosh they couldn't possibly be related. /s
(Snoke's her.... mother, and Kylo's her father, you heard it here first folks.)
-WhenTheyCry- ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:40:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shit I'm convinced
tehaxor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:31:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They are cousins?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:31:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, just destiny ying yang kida shit.
JayGooner14 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:57:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He may be talking about The Emperor.
Jaeunaa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:58:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Could be referring to Palpatine?
canuckleballer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:07:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I suspect this is what Luke is inferring.
sparkykingheat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:07:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just throwing this out. Could he be talking about himself?
jjack339 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:26:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or. He saw this power in return of the Jedi... Just saying.
VanillaTortilla ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:42:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It would explain why Rey was abandoned on a desert planet without much in the way of memories.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:54:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rey was left on Jakku when she was like 5.
VanillaTortilla ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:41:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe she was powerful then, ya never know. We don't even know her midichlorian count yet!
Kliffskie97 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:12:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't wish that evil upon her worshipfulness
zaksby ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:15:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Really? I think he is. Kylo's the original power that he didn't fear, but because of the academy he fears it deeply.
The_Monstees ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:14:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo killing his mother was heavily hinted
ShouldersofGiants100 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 02:18:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It might also be necessary. Whatever plans they might have had for Leia in Episode 9, those are off the table. I think they likely did some substantial tweaking to give her an on-screen send-off as best they could, rather than having her go through all of Episode 8 and die offscreen before 9.
redworm ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:25:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or maybe it was in the script from the beginning. Maybe not but I'd like to think so.
An_Unraped_Cat ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:16:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Surely that's a red herring? Seems like such an easy giveaway there.
BoobieBoobieButtButt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:36:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He absolutely is talking to Rey then
OfficialGarwood ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:22:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think he was talking to Rey. I think the power he saw before was likely Kylo, who destroyed Luke's Jedi temple. Now he's petrified of Rey, who has a similar level of ability in the force, if not more.
Captain-fach ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:26:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think he was only because she shows this raw power that cracks the ground. I think he's saying he wasn't afraid of kylo ren power, and that's what he did wrong. He's seen what happens when someone has that much raw power
LucasOIntoxicado ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:32:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you think they will kill Leia after what happened last year? It could sound disrespectful to kill the character.
07jonesj ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:36:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd argue the opposite, it would be disrespectful to the badass Carrie Fisher helped create for Leia to retire or anything like that. There's no other way to remove the character from the story, Leia is seeing this war through to the end.
CaterpillarsNight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:41:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
spoiler: [spoiler]After Carrie's death they said she will die upon a spaceship so ppl won't have to speculate considering the tragedy.[/spoiler]
Theory: Kylo's scar is a good time indicator here -Black Band Aid =Earlie in the Movie. He shoots the ship his mother is on, Poe sees this from another ship and says his part.
Edit:I have no idea hoe spoiler thingies work
Binturung ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:43:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
His shocked look at how she cracked the ground seems to suggest differently.
OrionsByte ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:20:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe heโs talking about Snoak. Maybe Luke sends Rey to Kylo โundercoverโ to get to Snoak. Kylo already wanted to help Rey learn the Force, heโd totally fall for it if she walked up to him and said sheโs game.
crotchboxing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:31:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's a pretty clear reference to Kylo... or pulling shot Vader. They cut to a shot of what we can only assume is Luke's Jedi Academyโข burning to the ground, following a shot of his robot hand bursting through the flaming wood.
crotchboxing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:31:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's a pretty clear reference to Kylo... or pulling shot Vader. They cut to a shot of what we can only assume is Luke's Jedi Academyโข burning to the ground, following a shot of his robot hand bursting through the flaming wood.
mychllr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:44:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Leia has to die since Carrie Fisher isn't around to film Leia scenes anymore :'(
KinoHiroshino ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:48:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You donโt know that!
And I donโt know you! Thatโs my purse!!!
mondomonkey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:59:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
OMG!! this theory just popped into my head so tell me if it holds any water or if my water just broke. Kylo attacks Leias platoon and as hes killing everyone. He comes to his mothers ship. Stops. That shot of him reaching out is him trying to save his mom. He then goes to find Luke when he tries to redeem himself. Thats when Luke says that power line and it's time for the jedi to end.
Finn goes on a scavenger hunt for information, maybe inside men on the first order, finds some with Rose. Pretends to be captured like Chewey and his plucky band of lovable rogues plant explosives in the base. Him and phasma throw down.
Rey follows Lukes journey in Empire but this time at the end gets caught and brain washed by snoke.
Next movie Rey and Kylo switch good guy/bad guy positions
therealponcedeleon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:37:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think you're overthinking it. It's pretty clear that Luke terminates Rey's training early, and that she eventually goes to Kylo for help.
DoubleDeadGuy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:46:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She has to die somehow, right? They have to write her out of future episodes unless they bring back that Rogue One wizardry.
crotchboxing ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:31:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's a pretty clear reference to Kylo... or pulling shot Vader. They cut to a shot of what we can only assume is Luke's Jedi Academyโข burning to the ground, following a shot of his robot hand bursting through the flaming wood.
crotchboxing ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:31:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's a pretty clear reference to Kylo... or pulling shot Vader. They cut to a shot of what we can only assume is Luke's Jedi Academyโข burning to the ground, following a shot of his robot hand bursting through the flaming wood.
[deleted] ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 02:07:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The opening scene is Rey dreaming that entire trailer.
Prophet92 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:51:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just follows it up by walking up to Luke and being like "That actually seemed really cool, especially the part where I team up with Kylo and...'
"No. That isn't happening."
Then she just trains on an island for the rest of the movie while Finn and Poe do stuff.
silverlegend ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:07:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree. There is still absolutely no hint about what the movie is about...just hints at character interactions that may or may not even be real.
CrissBlackHawk ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 02:10:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"This is not going to go.. the way you think"
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 02:07:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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mistamosh ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:13:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo and Rey become besties, Kylo kills his mom to complete his parricide, and Luke turns evil.
CaptainKyloStark ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:13:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
teaming up to take out their mean old bald uncle or whatever
TOGHeinz ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:10:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea, I'm assuming that very last sequence with Rey/Ren are mashed together, fueling the 'Will Rey turn dark?!' theories. Backgrounds are very different between each of their shots though.
captainJmorgan ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:06:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah.
Ya think...?
Nah can't be.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:07:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs treason then
soonerfreak ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:10:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All I could think was the ominous line from rogue one and Jyn wearing imperial amor.
Clara-Alm ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:31:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The moment between Rey and Kylo Ren in the end is clearly two scenes different. First, the background is off. Also while Kylo's injury is clearly healed, Rey is still wearing her old TFA outfit. It doesn't make sense.
Diosjenin ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:51:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I SEE THROUGH THE LIES OF THE TRAILER
NEEEEERRRRRD ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:01:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I DO NOT FEAR THE SPOILERS AS YOU DO!
ASH503 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:05:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably a few I think
rugger62 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:07:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
like Snoke being Plagueis?
mistamosh ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:11:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sadly this has been debunked. Boy would it make the story great, though.
rugger62 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:13:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
debunked in something cannon, or just tinfoil? I guess Plagueis is an alien and Snoke looks pretty human.
mistamosh ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:31:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pablo Hidalgo said it wasn't Snoke; but Hidalgo has also said not to trust his tweets sometimes, so who knows...
bckesso ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:46:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like I'm in the minority who don't want this trilogy tied to the Sith like that.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:07:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or all. Rey probably betrays Kylo after learning his secrets.
Obi_Wan_Benobi ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:08:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Big time. Lots of cutting between characters who aren't seen in the same frame together.
the-dandy-man ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:08:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe. Maybe not. Rian Johnson said to avoid it if you want to โcome in cleanโ
WillowSmithsBFF ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:14:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean that could mean anything. Like, if I know something minor technically Iโm not coming in clean. The only spoilery things to me were !!!!!!spoilers past here!!!!!. Finn isnโt in cryo the whole movie (kind of a given) and Rey meets snoke (also, kind of a given, if not in this one it would have been in 9). We know nothing about the context of any of the scenes.
sageleader ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:09:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed, just like TFA trailer
soonerfreak ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:26:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
After re-watching the trailer I think the last shots are different scenes. I think that will be Kylo making a plea for her to join him like during their duel in 7.
ELL_YAYY ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:07:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No bamboozle
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:09:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"This is not going to go the way you think" They straight up said it's a misdirection
Jrhamm ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:16:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think your right! I have a feeling no one is going to even come close to guessing whatโs actually going to happen.
Thor_2099 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:46:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's how I like it!
Jbird_87 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely. Hopefully...
huzzleduff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What was a misdirection in there??
chocboy87 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Double bluff
ricklessness ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Throwing a couple change ups at us
theredditoro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely. At least one if not two. As much as I hope the last shot isn't. That would be cool. Probably is.
DantheHam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That ending had to have been misdirection, my mind is blown. I know there saying it'd be really different but that was not what I had in mind LOL
winslowpete ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:09:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is a shot with Rey and Snoke in it. Snoke is doing some crazy Force shit to her
darksideclown ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:09:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is probably the case, kinda like how Finn was the one with the lightsaber in TFA.
Lieutenant_Meeper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno. I think we are just telling ourselves that because we're upset that they revealed a key moment.
merelyfreshmen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I think there has to be. Otherwise they'd be giving away quite a few major plot points.
you_sick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke was actually training kylo
sixdollargrapes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The perfect trailer though! Just enough information to get us hyped and nothing more. I still donโt know anything about this movie and Iโm so glad!
RumplestiltskintheOG ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is not going to go...the way you think.
Jonin1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:13:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree
odonovantimmy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:15:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I fucking hope so, otherwise I feel like we got some pretty major spoilers.
The_torpedo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:18:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope it was too
Not_Joshy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:19:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who would've thought they would bring back Chewbacca's family from the Christmas Special and they would such a major role...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:21:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There better have been
TheBigAndy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:23:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I expect that Disney has never done that and shows way too much in every trailer.
darknite24 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:25:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. We can't have everyone join the dark side.
JakeM917 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:26:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I definitely think that convo at the end was Rey and Luke and that shot was her in the cave. She was wearing her outfit from the end of TFA and we know she gets a new costume during her Jedi training.
pirate_door91 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:27:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like the hand that came out of the fire and the black stripe on Kyloโs face?! What if heโs not actually human?
juice06870 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:30:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like maybe that robotic hand reaching out of the fire was Anakin and not Luke...? Maybe some flashback to Ep VI.
Anakin ----> Snoke confirmed.
IronMarauder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:36:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a trap
DFSniper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:38:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely. That last sequence was made to fuck with your mind.
rohay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:39:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Diretor did say there where major spoilers in this trailer and everyone should not watch it if they wanted to be surprised
made_in_silver ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:43:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But what about the droid attack on the Wookies?
-Words-Words-Words- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:45:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rey was talking to Luke after fighting off the knights of REN. Thatโs probably where he agrees to train her after initially refusing. Gonna call it... Kylo scene was much later in the movie and he was probably reaching out to Luke or Leia...
Serule ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:47:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
right... i think luke was talking about snoke and palpatine... i think snoke was talking about rey...
gandalfsmagicgaydick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:51:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I bet that's not even Phasma under the armor /s
WayneQuasar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:52:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"This is not going to go the way you think."
JZA1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:56:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like Pikachu flying the falcon with Chewie?
Year3030 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:58:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why didn't they show the FarGate?
WeylandCorp4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:02:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
OR they've made it so its showing us exactly what's going to happen but they know we all think it's misdirections. Reverse psychology.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:04:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Does anybody know what the dialog was. I could barely make it out. I have no clue what luke said
Desecr8or ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:11:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also, Rey probably isn't talking to Kylo in that last shot.
enderandrew42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:12:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is what I was thinking the whole time. But for example, we see Leia and then Kylo getting ready to fire at a ship. My first thought is this must be misdirection, but it is clear Leia is on that ship and we can see her ship in Kylo's targeting computer. He is aiming right for the bridge.
So maybe they expect us to think this is misdirection, when this may be more brutal than we're prepared for.
GaryColemansRevenge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:13:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's like poetry.
twitchy_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:15:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe it's my monitor, but is Rey's lightsaber white? Not blue?
W00DERS0N ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:15:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But this is Disney we're talking about, so Leai in Ep 9 confirmed.
JK, imma go cry in the corner for a second...
Really, really curious on this one, they definitely spoiled the important point, thatโs up there with โNo, I am your fatherโ.
drivendreamer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:16:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I really hope Kylo ends up going back to being on the light side and Rey turns dark. The change would be a great twist, which if it is anything like ESB there needs to be a great twist here
RandomRedditor44 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:21:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
GOOD point.
Balmarog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:22:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm really hoping they didn't just decide to remake Empire like they did with A New Hope/TFA.
rubbarz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:37:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, i see that hand coming clean off.
The_Conkerer ยท 4650 points ยท Posted at 02:03:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First look at Snoke in person and he looks mighty creepy
mistamosh ยท 3890 points ยท Posted at 02:18:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It looks as though an attempt on his life has left him scarred...and deformed.
bj_good ยท 2112 points ยท Posted at 02:25:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like when he fell through a tall, broken window from high and then fell...
...Wait what??
mistamosh ยท 1273 points ยท Posted at 02:26:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If he didn't want to get thrown out a window, he probably shouldn't have given Mia Wallace a foot rub.
corntorteeya ยท 84 points ยท Posted at 02:48:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What?
mistamosh ยท 142 points ยท Posted at 02:49:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Say 'what' again.
______DEADPOOL______ ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 06:02:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You have done that yourself!!!
HoraceGrantGlasses ยท 53 points ยท Posted at 02:49:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Say what again...I dare you
stanfoofoo ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 03:06:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I double dare you
YepYouRedditRight2 ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 03:10:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for leaving me the best line:
M O T H A F U C K A
Okrai ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 11:42:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You don't rub another man's wife's feet!
bababooey33 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 09:54:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snoke is Antwan Rockamora confirmed. Darth Tony Rocky Horror.
soundofthelyre ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:46:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Palpatine sent a couple of cats over to his place. They took him out onto the patio, threw his ass out the window; he fell three-hundred stories. He had a little garden down at the bottom, closed-in glass, like a green house? He fell through that. Since then, he's sort of developed a skin condition."
5in1K ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 10:22:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snoke is Samoan confirmed.
diamondgalaxy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:19:03 on November 6, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This comment is so damn clever that it pisses me off.
TORFdot0 ยท 113 points ยท Posted at 02:36:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Now we know what happened to mace windu after Anakin betrayed him. He turned evil and got the Micheal Jackson treatment. Explains the face
inclinedtorecline ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 02:37:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Does he look like a bitch?
bj_good ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 02:44:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A little, yeah
intensenerd ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 02:38:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snoke is Mace Windu? Ok. I buy it.
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 05:51:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's a few videos going into it. If he's anyone from the previous films I think I can buy that theory the easiest.
[deleted] ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 07:24:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair there's a few videos on any theory, how shitty they may be. Motivation: easy clicks. Just talk into a mic, show some fanart, read some lore and that's it.
nxqv ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 08:55:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why? He's more likely to be Jar-Jar than Mace Windu...
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 11:55:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mesa deformed by the darksey side. -Snoke.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:11:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The guy went into some detail about it. It was intriguing
mrtouchyfeely ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:10:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bran?
Detroit_Telkepnaya ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 12:39:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He wonโt be a boy forever. And, winter is coming.
[deleted] ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 03:52:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or he plummeted 16 ft through an announcerโs table.
DareBrennigan ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 05:41:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bah Gawd Sidious broke him in half! As the Force is my witness, heโs broken in half!
phillydaver ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:08:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In 1998 of course. Can't forget that detail.
farmtownsuit ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:35:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shit, it just happened 2 days ago with Shane McMahon.
rbarton812 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:35:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Never forget.
farmtownsuit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:42:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Best performer in WWE ain't even a wrestler. When he gets inducted into the Hall he should just be the only induction that year.
p_U_c_K_VII ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:03:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And got vitiligo?
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:59:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And then he took Michael Jackson pills to turn himself white...
...Wait what?
mrglubglub ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 05:04:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You said that he fell through a window and then fell again while falling. Makes perfect sense.
wisdumcube ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:33:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snoke is Mace Windu confirmed.
When1nRome ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:08:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Now that would be neato if it was him
AlexTraner ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:12:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oi this is the best who is smoke theory besides Darth Darth Binks yet!
Tcav23 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:26:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He threw the Senate down a fucking reactor shaft.
J-Debstup ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:57:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snoke is Mace Outtawindu.
ShadowM82 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:45:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hah
Vinnys_Magic_Grits ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 02:35:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder how his resolve is
mistamosh ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 02:38:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh I'm sure it's nevah been bettah!
Vinnys_Magic_Grits ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 02:58:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Strongah?
mistamosh ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:59:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Into hiding I must go...Failed, I have.
Vinnys_Magic_Grits ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:34:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exile?
Tatersalad810 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:16:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He keeps fucking it up lmao.
mistamosh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:35:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are a part of the Resistance and a traitor! Take him away!
Tatersalad810 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:34:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
โYou are a friend of the Rebel Alliance and a traitor! Take her away!โ
sabasNL ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:22:45 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is getting out of hand!
mistamosh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:40:17 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Now there are a few of them!
yourearocketqueen ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:19:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Be careful not to choke on your aspirations.
ravens52 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 12:43:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What are the chances that Palpatine figured out Plagueis's secret to everlasting life and transferred his essence into the shell of another being? Kind of like in the EU comic where Luke goes to the dark side.
mistamosh ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 12:45:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To be serious, I think the chances are incredibly minuscule.
ravens52 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:11:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know. It is very slim just because I don't think the writers want to revisit that idea, but with all of Palpatine's side projects you would think he would have been working on it at the very least. That man could see into the future.
mistamosh ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:15:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are all of those side projects still canon? I remember the old E.U. had a ton of stuff that Palpatine worked on in secret, supposedly in preparation for the Yuuzhan Vong invasion that he foresaw.
ravens52 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:12:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I doubt it. I feel like Disney hasn't explicitly said what is and what isn't canon just so they have some wiggle room. Ultimately, I think they declared almost everything non-canon so they didn't have to bridge gaps and go back to make sure everything made sense and that nothing had holes as far as the plots go.
mistamosh ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:24:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea that makes sense. The Old E.U. had so much material it would be near impossible to write new stories without conflicting with what is already there. A shame really, so much great content.
ravens52 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:39:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget about the bad....
nokstar ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:05:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you telling me that storm trooper zombie outbreaks wasn't good material? /s
ravens52 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:15:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, that has it's own niche for people that are into zombies. It certainly is better than a lot of the stuff. And I'm just going on the idea alone. I haven't read any of the zombie star wars stuff, so for all I know it could be terrible.
nokstar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:20:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I read a lot of the EU books and in my opinion that book was an abomination. Terrible plot, characters, everything. Should have never been published imo.
ravens52 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:51:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh my. I guess they need a beta for books lol
sabasNL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:24:46 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There have been much worse additions to the EU. Like all extradimensional/extragalactic visitors/invaders, with the sole exception being the Yuuzhan Vong.
I didn't like most of the EU material added by the older videogames either. The Dark Trooper project (especially Phase I and II) makes zero sense in the lore, and was nothing more than a loose story to bind some gameplay elements together.
On the other hand, I really like the Old Republic, the post-GC Imperial warlords and reborn Palpatine.
Griddamus ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 08:58:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
...or he hasn't eaten in a really, really, long time and he consumes Force users energy to sustain himself...
NihiloZero ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:19:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably when Luke whipped his ass and made him go to work for him. Snoke is probably Luke's apprentice.
zagduck ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:11:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oooo. I like this theory...
zagduck ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:11:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oooo. I like this theory...
Chunk0Funk ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:33:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One of the jedi kids that Anakin tried to kill after order 66?
Wolfnorth ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:49:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Tried" lol
jokitheraccoon ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 10:55:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The boy who lived.
ThaNorth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:55:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't the dark side start to eat away at you if you mess around with it for too long?
mistamosh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:03:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snoke is a Wound in the Force confirmed.
sabasNL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:29:58 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder what kind of Force user Snoke actually is. He can't be Sith, and I doubt he's a (fallen) Jedi.
Joggebro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:04:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one!
Suspicious_Rash ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:34:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But his resolve has never been stongaaa!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:54:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When he had his big Gungan ears and snout cut off.
FoxyBrownMcCloud ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:58:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's Palpatine. Calling it.
Ginga-Ail1994 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:28:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are deformed ๐ต
BryceGladwin1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:35:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
but what about his resolve?
quarryrye ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:28:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But, he assures us, his resolve has never been stronger.
jd777prime ยท 1997 points ยท Posted at 02:12:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
SPOILERS: pic of snoke
Speculation time commence yet again
Edit: This pic as well appears to show snoke's body
Edit 2: on that second picture, there appears to be some type of guard to the far right of the image.
SilverArchers ยท 1413 points ยท Posted at 02:18:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looks human though, albeit a very fucked up one
Goose_Dies ยท 1695 points ยท Posted at 02:25:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if Palpatine cloned Anakin, and that is who Snoke is?
TerminalBoneitis ยท 2450 points ยท Posted at 02:27:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The fuck
jackewon ยท 397 points ยท Posted at 04:01:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is going to be one of those shitty times no one thinks this guy is right, but then it comes true, and someone is gonna say he totally called it.
steemboat ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 04:27:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would be some crazy shit
CoffeeHamster ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 05:22:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
!RemindMe 3 months
Hotlinedouche ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 08:05:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yeah.. i might call this
PhantomMaggot ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:05:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Still waiting for Luke to be behind Klyo Ren's mask.
yummyyummypowwidge ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:28:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This guy is right.
Note: only saying this so if it does happen, Iโm on the right side of history
Unglossed ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 11:39:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope it's going to be one of those ESB "I am your father" moments.
doesntaffrayed ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:35:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe Rey is made from Anakin's DNA, now that would be an epic spin on "I am your father".
Luke would cry as his mind is blown into a billion midichlorians.
ValyrianSteelYoGirl ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:42:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm getting in on this
jackewon ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:02:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am a fan of your username.
Goose_Dies ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:57:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I'm right, I would gladly reap the karma.
jackewon ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:02:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not if anything to say about it, I have.
W00DERS0N ยท 218 points ยท Posted at 03:27:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ties in the Luke's hand thing quite well.
TheGayslamicQueeran ยท 623 points ยท Posted at 03:40:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snoke is Padme.
Syndicate_III ยท 293 points ยท Posted at 04:17:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ooba
DHR-107 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 10:05:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Goddamn that sound.
shaverray ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:14:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oof
username1012357654 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 10:52:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ouch
Ordoom ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:45:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My bones!
Cophlow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:45:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bwargle Bwargle
electro_magnetic_gun ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 05:32:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
snoke is dumbledore
pwgen-sy100 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:39:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sn
okapeJ-Debstup ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:58:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
After all this time?
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:13:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True story.
1Darkest_Knight1 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:25:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I laughed too hard at this, but now really really want it to be true h aha
sexydangernoodle ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 06:43:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snoke is jar jar
rayzer93 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:44:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snoke is a Bastard Gerbil born to a human father. :3
Obazda ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:31:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
After her heart broke
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:57:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Confirmed
monjoe ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:12:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not true. That's impossible!
lujanr32 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:50:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
NOOOOOOOOOOO!!
communistrobot ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:52:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oof
Aeon_Mortuum ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:01:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you rearrange the letters in 'Snoke' you get 'C3PO'
Thor_2099 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:28:10 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Does anybody in this universe know who she is? I'm sure she would have been erased from history. I know in the old EU Luke had no idea who his mother was.
I_need_that_bacon ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 05:09:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luuuke
Heiski ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:27:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luuke?
Tactical_Legume ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 08:20:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean Luuke, right?
ch0och ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:31:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And the whole "grandpas legacy" thing for kylo
W00DERS0N ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:34:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yeah, have him start dark then go light and save instead of destroy.
R8iojak87 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:59:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What Luke hand thing? There is too much going on in this thread, can't tell joke from speculation, I want to speculate and talk but also think I am getting drawn into a joke. Does snoke joke?
W00DERS0N ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:33:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke,s hand was shown in the trailer, looking all robotic-y. You donโt show things in the trailer that carry no meaning.
His hand and losing are huge parts of the original trilogy, it connects him with his father in a new way, makes him see himself giving into the dark side, and pulls him back (Jedi, throne room, when he cuts his father,s hand off and then sees the wires and looks at his hand.)
They showed it in the trilogy, and the Timothy Zahn novels used the lost hand to great effect.
โShow, don't tell,โ and they showed it. Also, Kylo's face reconstruction is artificial, theyโre drawing lots of parallels.
derpyco ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 03:39:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Awwwww shit that's what it is.
Bexirt ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 06:32:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snoke is Jar Jar Binks
Mesa called Jar Jar Binks, mesa your humble servant!
Ex-squeeze me, but the mostest safest place would be Gunga City. 'Tis where I grew up. 'Tis a hidden city.
Staplingdean ยท 992 points ยท Posted at 02:33:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Palpatine cloned Anakin and that's who Rey is, actually. So there'll be a line where she tells Luke "I am your father"
Edit: This is partially a shitpost and partially a theory that I legitimately have. I think she really looks like child Anakin (and to a lesser extent adult Anakin). Here's my half-baked stupid theory:
Now, will there actually be a "I am your father" line? First of all, no, because this theory is definitely wrong. But maybe! It would be played for laughs, obviously, or she would start to say it and he would cut her off or something like that.
[deleted] ยท 234 points ยท Posted at 02:48:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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totallynotliamneeson ยท 71 points ยท Posted at 03:42:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or she looks at him confused like "so luke, I am your....father?"
Then Luke gets some PTSD and falls over mumbling about falling into clouds.
p_U_c_K_VII ยท 72 points ยท Posted at 04:01:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Screams "Nooooooo!"That's Impossible" and runs over to the edge of the cliff they're training by and just falls off backwards but instead of being sucked into a tube slide he hits a rock and splits in two which is another nod (this time to Maul), but this time you see spine and intestines. Which is a nod to the Tonton.
dreadpirateruss ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 04:31:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's like poetry
Onkel_Wackelflugel ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:03:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And then... lens flare
Totally_Triggered ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 04:05:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And Star Wars 9 has Luke being mute because the ordeal was only survived by his legs part.
KlingonAdmiral ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 04:26:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All around me are familiar faces ...
Jackson_emphasis ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 04:15:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yโall are getting wild with this shit
theivoryserf ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 07:32:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Clones are dramatically cheap. It won't happen.
glswenson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:44:21 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sure it won't. Just like there an entire movie consisting of them attacking ;)
goblineer ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:30:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, that's not true..Th..That's IMPOSSIBLE!!!
heyf00L ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 03:09:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought she might be cloned Luke from Luke's cut-off hand.
Staplingdean ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 03:10:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love this, but I'm curious why anyone would try to clone Luke.
heyf00L ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 03:43:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because he's powerful and they (whoever they are) had the opportunity. I never read the old Expanded Universe, but I know the new trilogy is taking certain ideas from it, and it had a cloned-Luke in it.
Edit: just came back to mention that whoever got the lightsaber also could have gotten the hand but it's already been pointed out. They make a Luke-clone, put her on a Tatooine-clone to simulate a similar upbringing, hide something on Tatooine-clone that the Empire-clone will want (map to Luke, I mean that can't be a coincidence), hide the OG-lightsaber knowing the force will guide the Luke-clone to it eventually, and from there they can send her out to destroy the Empire-clone. Something like that.
_PingasAtKingas ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:27:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Would also make sense since if they found the lightsaber magically they'd also magically find the hand
Correa24 ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 05:23:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Swipe screen to end of TFA
Rey travels to Ach-to, and tries to hand the lightsaber over to Luke
Luke: "There was a hand that came with it, did you bring the hand?"
noydbshield ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:18 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Idk. She grew up an orphan and a scavenger. Luke grew up in a loving family as a farmer.
1s2_2s2_2p2 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 04:23:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm with you. The hand could have been recovered on Bespin with the blue lightsaber (Anakin's). Lando could have easily sent of the hand for cloning as a plan B if the rebels failed to take down Death Star II.
It could explain the line about 'not scaring him then but scares him now'. Luke wasn't afraid of his own power when he learned of it, but he later realizes the destruction the dark side of the force can cause during his temptation.
el_grande_burrito ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:37:40 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This would make The Force Awakens even more of a copy of A New Hope. Rey would literally be a female Luke.
koleye ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 02:41:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
M. Night Shyamalan was the director the whole time!
BearlyPunny ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 02:55:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In an alternate universe far far away written by M. Night Shyamalan
cws815 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:23:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What a twist!! ;)
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 02:47:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is my crazy pet theory on why she's so strong in the force.
bombala ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 03:16:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
On par with "she has a British accent so she must be a Kenobi". I like both theories though.
1s2_2s2_2p2 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:49:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The accent theory is kinda understandable when you think about Jango Fett having a vaguely British/Scottish/Australian accent and all of the clones having the accent too. So why wouldn't Kenobi Jr. have the same?
However, I think you can hand wave the accent idea away if you suppose that the accent comes from being around other (cloned or not) humans with the amalgam of vaguely British accents. Rey could have simply picked up the accent from being around other Imperial planet-dwelling humans on an Imperial world. Jakku is fairly close to the core worlds (mostly Imperial), compared to other planets.
Dantooine was an empire planet, which had British accents. Other non-empire planets, like Tatooine or Corellia (post-galactic senate) had more American accents. Of course, this could all be speculation and bullshit.
Amy_Ponder ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:12:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In general, it seems like the closer you get to the Core, the more British your accent is, while the further out towards the Rim, the more American. Obviously, there's plenty of exceptions, but that seems to be the general rule.
oveloel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:25:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If Jango had an accent, of course his clones would too
Staplingdean ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:19:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, what does it say about me that I think both of the theories are totally unfounded but I'd love to see either happen?
Staplingdean ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:19:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, what does it say about me that I think both of the theories are totally unfounded but I'd love to see either happen?
SuccinctSavage ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 03:55:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Those Face Wrinkles though https://imgur.com/gallery/EFRAX
Staplingdean ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:56:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My theory wasn't really a legit rebuttal of that idea. I think he actually does look a ton like Palpatine to the degree where I'm surprised that they showed that in a trailer
Goose_Dies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:29:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The eyes match.
DJGingivitis ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 03:05:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If not clone, then another force baby. So effectively Anakin again.
Goose_Dies ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 02:34:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Take my money!
Protocol_Freud ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:05:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kevin Smith, is that you?
Goose_Dies ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:07:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll never tell.
TheBigCon4800 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:54:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
or she's trans
Staplingdean ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 02:55:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's no way Disney would introduce their first transgender character in Star Wars of all movies, but that would be a hilarious twist
TheBigCon4800 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 02:56:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
not hilarious as much as something extremely unexpected, bonus points if finn and poe are both straight
dreadpirateruss ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:36:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Imagine the controversy... TekaiVoice OH, MY!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:24:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, so close.
OrangeJulias ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:25:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Transakin
[deleted] ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 03:10:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
what if Rey is femakin because Anakin had no Y chromosome, because he had no dad
Drumboy168 ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 03:43:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How does Luke exist then?
I think we have to take it on faith that Anakin had a full set of chromosomes.
[deleted] ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 03:55:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke also has no Y chromosome. He and Leia are actually identical twins but it turns out Blue Milk secretly contains a powerful growth hormone thanks to Tatooine's lax regulations on food imports.
Drumboy168 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:27:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where's space Theodore Roosevelt when you need him?
Correa24 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:24:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In space hell, duh.
baltakatei ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:38:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Staplingdean ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:07:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can't invoke the MST3K Mantra when we're theorizing!
WikiTextBot ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 06:38:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Grand unification epoch
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starfallg ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:33:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bad bot!
dadrawk ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 07:08:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure how viable the clone thing is, but I like the part about Rey destroying the school and having her memory wiped and sent away.
stationhollow ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 08:50:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think this is what Luke is referring to when he said he wasn't scared of the raw power last time he saw it but he is now.
shodopandan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:34:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My thoughts exactly. I feel like the whole trailer is alluding to this idea. And I love it.
CthulhuSquid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:41:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think you mean "alluding".
shodopandan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:47:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Haha, indeed. 5am flight this morning. My brain was still asleep. I thank you :D
Staplingdean ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:39:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The more I think about it, the more I think this has to be true. Kylo can't be the one who destroyed the school. If he were, they would've said it. They left it far too open. I think it's sort of like the rule that on TV if you didn't see a body, the person's going to come back to life. If we didn't actually get confirmation that he was the one who did it, they're going to do a plot twist.
cavelioness ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 06:48:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She's 10 years too young for the emperor to have cloned her, but you may like this.
Goose_Dies ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:12:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Very good read and theory. Thanks for the link.
Misticsan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:58:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That... makes almost too much sense. Thank you for posting this, it was definitely a great reading.
panaja17 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:21:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you want to kick up the crazy conspiracy up a notch, you could make it Vader sensed force ability in Leia when she was a prisoner on the Death Star and took a DNA sample while he was torturing her for information to make another force sensitive apprentice to team up with him to overthrow Palpatine. Then he found Luke and focused on turning him instead because he was powerful and would be able to overthrow the Emperor faster. Then some stuff happened and Rey ended up on Jakku.
Staplingdean ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:26:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Now THIS one is bonkers. I like it though. Honestly, the motivations at least make sense.
Hopefully they explain it in the movie by saying this verbatim
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:12:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Love this theory. I don't agree with everything, but you might be on to something here.
Staplingdean ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:15:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Haha thanks, I've been drunkenly ranting it to people in hopes that any part of it will come true and I'll be able to be proud that my wacky theory was at all right. I just feel like so many parts line up in kinda satisfying ways that I could see it happening
TheBladeRoden ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:45:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Would have made sense to clone Anakin. The original got all lightsaber'd and lava'd up and loaded with family issues (plus he started training too old). Couldn't live up to his full potential like a pristine clone could.
anormalgeek ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:46:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Jedi clone stuff got pretty far off the rails in the old EU. I'm not sure I want to see that repeated.
Sh4d0wm0r3 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:33:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I still believe that Disney wants to make "The Chosen One" a cycle kinda like the avatar that the force makes a Chosen One when ever there is a big imbalance. Would also be a great way to bring back other deep legends stuff about other super powerful force users and give people not familiar with them a sort of latch point from the movies.
pink_ego_box ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 03:37:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Clones were modified to age quicker. I'm pretty sure changing their sex wouldn't be a problem. Maybe he thought a woman-Anaking would be even more angry and powerful during her period.
Staplingdean ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 03:39:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, no one ever called Palpatine a feminist
23skiddsy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:31:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Feasibly you can just duplicate the X chromosome and get rid of the Y. That was the explanation for X-23 being Wolverine's clone.
CthulhuSquid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:43:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Technically Boba is a clone, but he wasn't modified so he grows up at a normal rate.
Spacechip ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:37:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If they could clone Vader why wouldn't they make a clone army of Vaders
galactusjr ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 08:26:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
See my theory was similar but Luke's hand was the thing that Rey was cloned from. If the lightsaber came back, then where is the hand?
Subs2 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 12:06:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rey is 19 in TFA... Which puts her being born 11 years after Palps and Vader die... Long incubation for a clone.
Unless she's just aging slowly and that scene of her being left on Jakku happens earlier than we thought.
postmodest ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:37:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Plus, as people are saying above, it's Vader whose power Luke dismissed before, but he's not going to make that mistake again....
Anakin Skywalker = Rey Walks Anakin, K?
Staplingdean ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:40:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or in my theory it could be Rey. He dismissed her power when choosing to train her, and it came back to bite him when she destroyed his school.
Kazziuz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:11:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I support the theory that Rei is a clone/experiment of Palpatine's
KlingonAdmiral ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:31:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd be more fine with reincarnation instead of cloning. Cloning in Star Wars always seemed like the exact opposite of the way of the force to me.
Staplingdean ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:41:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
See, I'd expect the opposite. I feel like Star Wars is thought of as more sci fi than fantasy. If I were the producers of this film, I'd be embarrassed about the claim in Phantom Menace that Anakin didn't have a father, and I'd want to get away from the magic of that.
Xeno87 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:05:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I always thought that in this scene, Kylo doesn't call Finn a traitor but Rey.
Jermine1269 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:35:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I keep hearing this Force-memory wipe bit all over the place. But is Force-memory wipe canon anywhere? Too lazy / convenient otherwise imo
Staplingdean ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:43:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
These are not the droids you're looking for.
In all seriousness, never canonically as a full memory wipe, but it's not too much of a stretch for me to believe Luke of all people could exaggerate Jedi mind tricks to the point where he could wipe certain memories from a super powerful child who wasn't fully trained.
stationhollow ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 08:51:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There has got to be something funky going on with Rey though. She was abandoned on a back water planet and just so happens to be one of the most powerful force users ever?
Jermine1269 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:00:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Extreme speculation::: I still think she's a Kenobi; that she's the child of Ezra (Benicio del Toro-->DJ...Dark Jedi(?)) and Sabine (Laura Dern-->Did u see that purple hair in the making of?!?), who I still think is the daughter (we'll find out season 4) of Satine Kryze and Obi-Wan (Satine would've hidden Sabine from him before she died). This is all speculation based on Clone Wars, Rebels, and TFA. I think that the fact that they brought Ewan McGregger in to do his bits in TFA helps my wild theories. So...it makes sense that like his father in law before him did with Luke, Ezra would stash his force-sensitive daughter on a desert planet away from trouble to keep her safe. My guess.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:21:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's just crazy enough to work.
DXM147 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:33:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm more of a fan of Ben was the clone and Rey is the actual daughter of Han and Leia, but's that's just me I guess.
Ihaveopinionstoo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:38:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
well honestly just felt she was born of midichlorians like anakain was since we get no clue on her father just "dropped off"
Staplingdean ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:43:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I said this elsewhere, but: I really feel like they'd rather forget that they ever said that Anakin's father was the force. That feels like an embarrassing "magic did it!" thing for them to have written. I don't see them bringing it back, but I could be wrong
SteelCurtain360 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:52:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
why not? the whole plot line is all just history repeating itself.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:24:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Calling one of two things now:
1) Rey is related to Palpatine (a clone or something), and Luke will tell her this upon his death.
2) Rey Kenobi, and it will be explained in the Kenobi movie.
Textual_Aberration ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 02:29:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If force could be transferred genetically, I'm pretty sure Jango Fett wasn't the best seed for a clone army after all.
bluewords ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:22:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not canon anymore, but in the force unleashed 2 you are a sith clone
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:28:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Textual_Aberration ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:24:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's a pattern that wasn't evident until Luke went a-slaughtering his way across the Empire though. By then the clones had already served their purpose.
WorldsOkayestDad ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:51:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My personal theory is that Luke cloned Anakin, and that's who Snoke is.
Allow for me to essplain...
No, there's not enough time.
Let me sum up:
Luke fears his greatest failure in life is not redeeming his father until he was moments from death. He figures he could have saved Anakin if there was more time.
So he clones Anakin... but he removes his force powers, just in case, because then so what, at worst he's just some dude. And maybe for a while it's fine... but eventually he turns to the dark side and in turn turns Ben to the Darkside who in turn slaughters all the younglings.
BUT
BEFORE THAT HAPPENS
When Luke sees that Snoke is doing a'ok, he clones Anakin again, but this time with force powers, but for insurance he tones down Anakin's anger, possibly by making him a her. But in the time before he places to order and accepts delivery Ben goes full Kylo, so Luke decides the baby girl needs to be destroyed, but he just can't bring himself to do it. So he leaves her on a desert planet out in the middle of nowhere and plants a very, very strong force suggestion in her that tells her she can never ever EVER leave Jakku, so that at worse a few scavs lose their life. But the force, uh, finds a way and uh well there it is.
Dethril ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 03:33:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How about my theory:
Luke cloned Leia before telling her she's his sister, then married her in secret and hid her on some random planet. NOW HEAR ME OUT, it's not incest because it's just a clone of her!!! So in Luke's mind it was okay to do this, and the clone Leia never found out Luke is her brother.
So later, when Han is having Ben with Leia, Luke is having hot not-incest sex with clone Leia, and they have a baby. That baby is horribly disfigured and grows up at an accelerated pace, his name is Victor Snoke. Snoke then grows up within a few months, finds out he's super strong because he's an inbred jedi, but turns to the dark side because he's treated poorly by others since he looks like a dried plum. So he revives the Empire since he's basically a teenager and wants to rebel against his father. Then he steals Kylo Ren at some point and clones him using Force Duplicate which is a really cool dark side only move. Only that baby ends up becoming transgender and becomes Rey (her original name was Ray but changed it to Rey to match her gender later on). At this point Luke is like damn it what should I do, and while he's having his crisis, he ends up going to see Lando who was introduced to him by Han. They have sex and because it's space sex Lando ends up getting buttpregnant. They have Finn. Luke is still all kinds of messed up from Kylo wrecking his students though so he leaves to go to the island. Lando is killed and baby-Finn is taken by the first order to become a stormtrooper. He's given growth accelerants to become an adult quickly to make up for the plot holes in my theory.
In the trailer, when Luke says "blah blah I forgot something about not being afraid of this kinda power before but now I totally am" he is referring to not being afraid of snoke before but now he recognizes Rey has the same power level so he's a bit spooked.
Rey and Kylo Ren later meet and bond over being the same person (snoke told kylo ren that's why he had him visit after the events on death star 3). In the trailer when snoke seems to be torturing Rey, he's actually feeding her information and it's too much so she's like aaah this is a lot of info at once.
Anyway, the movie is probably gonna end in a scene where Kylo Ren and Rey fuse together to become Kylo Rey, a genderless entity perfectly in balance with the force. This ends their storyline and in a mid-credits scene it's revealed the real story is the story of BB-8 vs BB-H8. Basically it's a cliffhanger where BB-H8 tells BB-8 "beep-bloop-whirrrrr" which is subtitled as "I am Revan's Force ghost uploaded into this robot and if you join me, together we can reach singularity".
What do you think?
-WhenTheyCry- ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:57:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I...I need to lay down.
rikutoar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:32:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I... uh... I... well... we... um... uhhh...
Yes
Goose_Dies ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:54:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is a very well thought out and explained possibility. Luke basically saves the galaxy as a kid, only to destroy it later for personal reasons. Perfect space opera.
rwarren85 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:12:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Updoot for the princess bride reference.
SilverArchers ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 02:28:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well that's be really really bad writing
P_Hound ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 02:37:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Welcome to Star Wars.
But seriously, that would just be stupid, in the past there have been terribly characters but this would be a twist that is just not fun.
Rum____Ham ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 02:44:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea, except the emperor cloning himself was part of established star wars canon, until Disney wiped that slate.
P_Hound ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:50:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting, I haven't really delved past the movies for SW plot lines so that one missed my radar. But I am kinda glad Disney wiped that just because it would feel out of left field for movie fans.
Though I don't think the other material is unimportant, I just think that for Star Wars you should be able to watch the movies and not get hit with things established outside of the movies without some kind of hint. That make sense?
Rum____Ham ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 02:53:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There were entire cloned armies at the center of focus in two full star wars movies. They were mentioned in Rogue One. It wouldnt be THAT left field.
P_Hound ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:19:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It would be for such a major character to have cloned himself since the clones were used as a machanism for the Empire to have their army.
It wouldn't be out of left field in terms of in the realm of possibilities, but it would be a weird plot twist that I don't think is very imaginative.
MAKE_ME_REDDIT ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:05:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They literally had a factory where they spit out millions of clones. You think that'd be far fetched for one guy to clone himself?
P_Hound ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:16:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No it wouldn't be farfetched at all, just kinda weird. The factory that spit out millions of clones were used so that the Empire had an army.
If it were so simple why wouldn't the Sith make a shit ton of clones and just destroy the Jedi easy?
It is a major development if the Sith clones himself and has never been addressed in the universe, so it would feel out of left field and raise a bunch of questions about why it didn't happen before and used to overwhelm the other side.
MAKE_ME_REDDIT ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:06:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well the main reason the sith wouldn't clone an army of themselves is because then they would have to deal with an army of themselves. There's a reason the rule of two exists. Also the Empire didn't use clones much. The republic did.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:29:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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P_Hound ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:12:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah and I don't doubt that, I just don't think it would be done well on the big screen. Especially since SW is not know for having the best writers.
relax_live_longer ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:36:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or just cloned himself.
Goose_Dies ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:36:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, that was the premise behind the Heir to the Empire series.
TheLastLivingBuffalo ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:57:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was about to say. Doesnโt Palp come back like five times in one way or another in the EU?
Goose_Dies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:18:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. He used the Dark Side to increase growth rates on the clones of himself, but it caused problems.
EINSTIEN420 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:56:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"By the way, if I was a clone of Anakin Skywalker, wouldn't I look like God Damn Anakin Skywalker?"
Goose_Dies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:41:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snoke would be almost 80 years old, and the darkside warps your body.
SiddTheVicious ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:45:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if Snoke is actually Palpatine? Would make sense that he would be disfigured.
Papa_Razzi ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:11:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A villain that spans 3 trilogies? I...I actually like that idea.
SuperCoolGuyMan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:17:00 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean it would be kind of disappointing because it would be cool if it was someone new... but, it would also be good because it is someone we already know about and don't need a bunch of backstory speculation on.
OviraptorGaming ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:38:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah Iโm sure thatโs what theyโre going with. /s
Dethril ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:03:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But Anakin had his eyebrows edited off
rikjames90 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:20:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
what if vader has a bunch of horcruxes lying around and isnt really....wait no, wrong series.
p00pywater ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:27:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ultenth ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:26:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if Snoke were.....Snoke...
Mind blown
KamuiT ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:25:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looks more like a Palpatine clone to me. Perhaps a genetically inferior one whoโs all droopy and shit.
Squach509 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:38:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Broooooooooo don't do me like that
softgray ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:09:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if Snoke is Vader
Bythion ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:43:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude... I just got it. It's Made Windu
OryxsLoveChild ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:33:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
saved to see if you're form the future
thegreattober ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:42:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is it a perfect clone? Like does he have all the memories of Anakin?
heyluis_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:36:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
RemindMe! 67 days.
Arthiel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:32:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I see it now, Anaakin. The Last Jedi didn't want to steal Luuke from the Thrawn Trilogy.
ThadeousCheeks ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:42:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like he looks more like Palpetine than Anakin
arfx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:26:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
LOL
throwaway_for_keeps ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:35:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anaakin?
Aanakin?
Anakiin?
Amanaman?
pinkybatty ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:59:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why would he be burned up if he were a clone?
Goose_Dies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:40:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He could be a failed or imperfect clone that was supposed to be destroyed.
pinkybatty ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:07:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Poor Anakin, even his clones are getting lit...
Imdalionking ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:03:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When Luke was the last jedi and with the sith dead the force was unbalanced. Luke goes all Gollum, splits personality. Are born Ren and Ray and begin balance the force. Dark and light together to defeat Luke/snoke. Ren reluctantly becoming dark side his parents know the sacrifice, tell him to do what he needs to do.
Looks like ray stumbles onto where Luke is sending transmissions as snoke in a cave on that island.
Luke probably uses mind trick to hid his burnt snoke face he acquired climbing out of that fire.
MadEorlanas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:11:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seems unlikely, but that could be cool if done well. But then either Kylo doesn't know (why not tell him then? He'd be loyal as HELL.) or it's a post-TFA change.
SugaryCornFlakes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:11:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
!RemindMe 66 Days
shortsolo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:09:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anaakin
Goose_Dies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
or Aanakin, but I get your drift Luuke.
boomkinburger ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:00:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've always wondered why Palpatine never cloned Anakin (or any Jedi) for the purpose of serving him. They've proven with the Clone Troopers that they can be controlled. Is it even possible in the new canon? They've done it before in the Legends stuff so it's definitely not out of the realm of possibilities.
Goose_Dies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:13:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And Palpatine was always 3 steps ahead of everyone else. an over reaching plot that covers all 9 films would be awesome. Like if Anakin prime was put on Tatooine as a backup plan, while Snoke was being groomed behind the scenes the entire time to be a Sith Lord.
Morighant ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:44:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stop
GoTomArrow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:09:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or, A Napkin
nosleeptilmanhattan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:42:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
!RemindMe Three months
doesntaffrayed ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:29:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
OMG knoes is an anagram of Snoke and Snoke has a noes!!
Triplescrew ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:35:03 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have you ever heard the tragedy of how Darth Sidious mixed his DNA with Darth Vader and created Lord Snoke? I thought not. It's not a story the first order would tell you.
DogsRNice ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:05:58 on October 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I will upvote your comment if you turn out to be right
DreadPirate616 ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 02:51:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly think that, if Snoke isn'y an original character, he is Palpatine. Because a)Palpatine probably learned how to avoid death from Darth Plagueis, and b)It would give the entire franchise an over-arching villain.
TheLastLivingBuffalo ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 04:01:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He doesnโt look particularly unlike Palpatine, though he doesnโt look quite like anything. The only thing is weโve heard him speak and Palp has a very particular cadence that Snoke does not have.
Dethril ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:03:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In the trailer he's also saying fulfill your destiny, which is something sheevie said to both luke and anakin when he was converting/trying to convert them.
Coldbeerzz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:32:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iโve been searching for this comment. I think Snoke is Palpatine. He used the force to preserve himself and transferred his mind into a clone or another body. The reason he looks so disfigured is because Luke searched him out and burned his temple or palace to the ground.
If Snoke isnโt Palpatine, then I donโt know where he came from. But I do think the reason he is so messed up looking is because Luke found him and burnt his shit to the ground.
Meme_Theory ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:06:03 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Meme's aside; I think Snoke is Darth Plagueis.
noossab ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:41:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It looks like the left (our left, not his) half of his face is normal but the right half is deformed.
TheIzzonator ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:04:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs fuckin mace windu
AnonymousSkull ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:33:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can you fucking imagine
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:01:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't like you... He doesn't like you either.
PancakeMan77 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:43:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reminds me of a half-Silence, half-human thing
Iohet ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:11:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HEY YOU GUYS!!!
Cige ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:25:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was still hoping that the hologram was actual size.
Jack_Krauser ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:23:50 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was hoping he was compensating for being 4 inches tall.
Cige ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:55:43 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would have been happy with that too.
mr_blanket ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:26:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Could it be Ezra?
SilverArchers ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 03:32:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not a chance, nobody knows who that is
TheArgonianTargaryen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:19:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like gollum imo
fahque650 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:24:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mace Windu didn't die!
lonctyle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:33:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A very, very old human.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:20:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe an attempt on his life has left him scarred and deformed?
CaptainPick1e ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:23:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No way man. That's Jar Jar.
banethesithari ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:44:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or humanoid, he's physically deformed enough that he could be a munn which is what plageuis was in the eu
firsttrial ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:27:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Voldemort
Wirelessbrain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:09:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't they specifically confirm he's not human?
Legsofwood ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's not, it's been confirmed for awhile now
SilverArchers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We'll see!
Taurinh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:44:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm sticking with the kid from the Jedi temple that Anakin tried to kill. How amazing would it be to surpass Vader and then mess with his grandson.
Dreadbad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:51:29 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree, he definitely looks more human in person.
profdudeguy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:40:58 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah man its definitely Jar-Jar
LaPurple95 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:47:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
right? i don't get how he is so tall then! it's just not the norm for a human in Star Wars
SilverArchers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:15:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's normal sized, the hologram he used in TFA just projected his image to be giant
ChickenInASuit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:53:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought he'd been confirmed as over seven feet tall in person?
EDIT: https://makingstarwars.net/2015/12/people-magazine-confirms-snokes-height-and-weight-from-star-wars-the-force-awakens/
LaPurple95 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:53:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
his action figure for the movie shows him being much taller than other human figures from the same toy line. we may have to just wait and see
TheFallen837 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:30:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe they did this to not give anyone ideas...
juxtaposition21 ยท 796 points ยท Posted at 02:25:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He played the long game, but his time has come
WhenceYeCame ยท 701 points ยท Posted at 02:58:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"I warned you Luke. Death sentence in 12 systems"
Edit:
Original joke = upvotes
Followup = gold+same upvotes
BigVladdyDaddy ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 08:20:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"You thought you'd be careful, but now you'll be dead!
InvincibleAgent ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:00:43 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Turns out you weren't worth the effort after all!"
ex1stence ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:58:56 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's been silently (and uglily) plotting his revenge since that day in the cantina. Years of study of the dark side, relentless training, and finally he will come for what is rightfully his: his right arm.
You done goofed Obi, Snoke comin.
swyx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:06:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
whos the guy with ballchins
Jonny004 ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 03:30:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've been waiting years for his comeback. Much deserved.
Drzhivago138 ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 05:02:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"IT'S ME, SKYWALKER!"
AW, SONUVABITCH!
AnOnlineHandle ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 09:59:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So that's why Disney inserted those two onto Jedhaa moments before its destruction in Rogue One, building up Snoke's mythology. ;)
Thefriendlyfaceplant ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 10:04:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking hell that was funny.
willmcavoy ยท 1448 points ยท Posted at 02:14:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thats clearly Darth Binks.
echolog ยท 107 points ยท Posted at 02:36:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's Jar Jar wearing a human suit, a la Edgar from Men In Black.
atomsapple ยท 88 points ยท Posted at 02:47:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Meesa needa watta and sugar
cyllibi ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:53:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Suga
patron_vectras ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:53:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
More, pleeeease!
EntityDamage ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:21:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
jerjer your skin is hangin' off your bones.
InvincibleAgent ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:01:39 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dere issa thassa betta?
livin4donuts ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:05:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FTFY
ns156 ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 02:29:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's gotta be "Darth Darth Binks"
DeadDay ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 02:20:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ears pinned back for confusion!
BuckFurke ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 02:24:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
WELLLLLLL whaaaaddaya know.
GreyVersusBlue ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:39:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Classic Binks
MastaGAtomic ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:41:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's Darth Darth* Binks, to you, swine.
Don_Antwan ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:54:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Meesa think you onta sumpin'
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:08:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yousa wont turn? Then yousa.... DIEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!
DrDouchenugget ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:32:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Praise be unto our Dark Lord Binks
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:41:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've heard the talk before of him being a Sith, but I've never heard him be called Darth Binks. Thank you.
GirIsKing ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:40:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
THANK YOU! this is what we all want but mental can NOT handle
macutchi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:04:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's clearly dobby the house elf..
wildjurkey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:19:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
*Darth Darth Binks.
1adog1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:12:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To anyone who didn't already know, Jar Jar lived out the rest of his life as a street performer on Naboo, banished for his role in the rise of the Empire.
FriskyFisky91 ยท 184 points ยท Posted at 02:21:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hail Mary theory.
Snoke is Anakin.
rbarton812 ยท 75 points ยท Posted at 02:25:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Part of me wants that, to see how the get around it.
branj70 ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 03:54:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke burns Vader's body & quietly walks back to the party. Suddenly Anakin wakes up with a headache from having his mask removed & wonders if it was all a dream. Then he realizes where he is & whats happening.
skydivingkittens ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 05:26:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
IT WAS ALL A DREAM
mojobytes ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:30:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AND I'M ON FIRE
whiskey-monk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:56:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://youtu.be/J91ti_MpdHA
georgepampelmoose ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:20:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't they show Vader's hand reaching out of the flames in the trailer here? I think this is a possibility.
infamous_jamie ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:33:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That was Luke
Axon14 ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 02:41:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
(Puts on his Jedi Robe and tinfoil hat) I'm thinking it's ol' Palpatine himself. We didn't actually see him die.
voidcrack ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 03:03:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ian McDiarmid mentioned in a recent interview that he wants to portray Palpatine again, but can't because he's dead as far as the new movies are concerned.
Could be misdirection. Can't say they got someone cheaper to do the part since Serkis is probably more in demand.
PM_Me_Clavicle_Pics ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 03:30:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It'd be blasphemous to replace McDiarmid as Palpatine. He was one of the few actors to portray his character in both trilogies and he was arguably the best part of the prequel trilogy. The man was an amazing part of Star Wars. I'll be really disappointed if they gave the part to Serkis.
ChestyHammertime ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:22:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Totally. Plus Serkis is a great enough actor he deserves his own character. I'd be seriously pissed if it was Palpatine.
imlost19 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:12:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://m.popkey.co/6a7deb/1jjk8.gif
ravens52 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:50:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I agree. Plus, it's farther along in the Star Wars universe and the sith were known for living past the time that most of their non-force-using species normally would live. Throwing some makeup on Ian and having him reprise his role wouldn't be very hard to do. He learned from one of the most powerful sith masters, so I'm sure he knows quite a bit about the dark side and the force in general. This is why I don't think it's Palp, though. They would've brought Ian back if that were the case. Also, I think that people hated the idea of the Emperor coming back multiple times in the EU. It's part of a dark time in the EU where I've read that a lot of people don't want to talk about the crazy literature that popped up, like the hutt jedi and some other stuff I can't think of right now.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:56:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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flapsmcgee ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:56:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well it obviously needs to be the story of Darth Plagueis.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:35:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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ravens52 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:55:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That was only good because she had limited screen time and a limited amount of movements for the cgi to perform. Tarken was solid, but you could still tell that it was cgi. We want to be at the point to where people are really looking for whatever it is that makes us detect that it isn't a real person. We know that it's cgi, but we want the point that it becomes hard for new people to see whether it is fake or real.
ravens52 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:53:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or Plagueis before it becomes too late. They would need someone to portray him in his younger years. Other than that get Daniel Davis to voice Plagueis. I'd imagine that you could do the book in two or three parts.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 03:58:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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boom_jonjon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:34:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not yet!
bluesox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:55:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You put on your robe and wizard hat?
Axon14 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
thank god someone got the reference
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 03:00:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was gonna say, what if that's Hayden Christiensen? But that one look was more expressive than anything HC has ever done, so it can't be.
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 03:50:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hasn't he suffered enough burns? =)
ravens52 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:58:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably, but what's one more, right? Plus, if he tries to retaliate /u/Downtown will have the high ground and we all know that Anakin is 0-1 against people with the high ground. Is he really that eager to lose more limbs?
FriskyFisky91 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:04:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hard to argue with that.
Iggy_Pops_Lost_Shirt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:31:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Blah blah blah he was actually really good in Shattered Glass blah blah blah
bluesox ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:56:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not. Check the cast. You're looking at Gollum. Seriously.
darkknightxda ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 02:41:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snoke is Leia
mentions_the_obvious ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 03:04:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have we gone too far here
IAmTheZeke ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:07:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup
dra39437 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:37:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep
tehjoshers ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:16:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mmhm
Smogshaik ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:01:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yarp
derpyco ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:42:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anakin was redeemed though, also they torched his ass
rikjames90 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:21:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
super hail mary. he was brought back voldmort style. you know with bits of soul laying around in random keep sakes.
TheLastLivingBuffalo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:03:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snoke looks like heโs got a fleshy hand in the screenshot. Anakin is half droid.
barath_s ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:02:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snoke is palpatine.
Being dropped down a shaft didn't kill Luke. Why would it kill palpatine ?
ibizan5707 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:43:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well... the giant explosion right afterwards just made it seem... likely
barath_s ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:07:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Weak plot sauce.
If palpatine had a unknown sister, one could have rescued him, just as one did Luke....
Btw, did anyone ever figure Shmi's family ?
/s
Bhalgoth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Being cut in half and dropped down a shaft didn't kill Maul either.
chamberthecartridge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:50:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
oh FUCK
__spice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:20:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its cool how he grew a human hand
CaterpillarsNight ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 02:31:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He looks so much more human than in TFA.
branj70 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:56:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That was the idea, we did only see him through hologram.
Bhalgoth ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:30:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm starting to believe the "Snoke's regenerating" theories. The chunks in his face aren't really missing anymore and I don't think we can blame the hologram for that.
BOBULANCE ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 02:23:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He looks a bit like a malnourished palpatine
Khassar_de_Templari ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:28:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nihilus. He's been trapped for eons, he's regenerating by sucking the life force from strong force users.
Dannnnny ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 02:29:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Palpatine after being marred by what Vader did to him and returning from death, a la Darth plagueis.
ArchonLol ยท 57 points ยท Posted at 02:22:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking Olly. Night King brought him back.
bassististist ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:57:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck Olly!
branj70 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:55:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh no..., kill the boy again, Jon Snow!!!
scottysnacktimee ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:29:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh shit, that's gotta be Sloth right?
PestySamurai ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:25:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like Anthony Hopkins
haljackey ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:38:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Too many death sticks
narstee ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 02:59:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Still think it's this kid getting his revenge on Anakin's family.
RidlyX ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 10:29:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They kinda have the same nose and eye color though...
NitroBubblegum ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 02:30:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Clearly its Darth Plague the Wise.
MrLomax ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 02:41:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not a story even the last Jedi would tell you.
greyjackal ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 02:47:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Plagueis
Ysmildr ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:49:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ki Adi Mundi, the conehead jedi from the prequels
ArcherInPosition ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:30:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And the one with crazy front flip attacks in Battlefront 2.
Ysmildr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:32:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He front flipped so hard he mushed his head
Emperor_Neuro ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:29:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snoke is Winston Churchill confirmed?
Dethril ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:27:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think he's Anakin's mother. Anakin had no father, remember? Well maybe he was just created by Shmi who is actually a dark side Force entity. Which is why Anakin turned into Vader. Everything was part of Shmi's master plan. Becoming a slave so she can have Anakin's beginnings be a poor slave to increase his rage, getting "killed" by the sand buddies right after she moved her life essence into one of them.
It will all build up to a scene between Snoke and Kylo Ren:
Snoke: "Han Solo never told you what happened your great grandmother... "
Kylo Ren: "He told me enough! He told me the Sand Buddies killed her!"
Snoke: "No... It's Shmi"
thelaw14 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:36:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Expected Manning-face. Reddit has ruined me.
Jacobjs93 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:49:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HEYYY YOU GUYYSSSSSSS
Meatslinger ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:33:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Speculation: it's entirely just a new, whole-cloth character, without any grand conspiracy behind their identity save their desire to command an order of force-sensitive soldiers to do their bidding. Zero relation to any previous characters; just a new "big mysterious bad guy" for the heroes to eventually face off against.
If anything, at this point, finding out he's supposed to be just some surprise unmasking of a previously-introduced character would be a little disappointing. It's okay to introduce new villains without them just being the old villains put through an M. Night Shyamalan plot twist. Not everybody needs a soap-opera entrance where they turn out to be some mystery brought back from the past; "Ah, but you don't know who I really am! I was your sister's friend's cousin's second grade music teacher!" (crescendo, dramatic flourish, audience gasps/faints).
erickgramajo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:07:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm okay with this
Khassar_de_Templari ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:30:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nihilus.
Meatslinger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Nihil novum sub sole" is more like it.
archronin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:16:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hugo Weaving
IdiotMD ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:31:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think heโs just Andy Serkis after too much time in the sun.
PM_SHIT_JOKES ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:35:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Obviously Mace Windu
simthembile ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:57:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's been hitting the Dove a bit hard then...
PM_SHIT_JOKES ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:02:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow I've never seen that before. That's super fucked
MetaphoricDragon ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:53:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My money is still on Snoke being Jocasta Nu
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:30:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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ImBoredCanYouTell ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:46:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I'm wondering if the Luke is now evil theory still holds up somehow. Like Palpatine got all gross when he used dark powers of the force and became the emperor.
Roflrex ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:50:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Totally that youngling Anakin "killed" at the Jedi Temple.
septhaka ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:56:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Darth Plageous the Wise
Damp_Knickers ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:06:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm interested how he is in this very expensive, gold-lined robe rather than dark black drab. He certainly looks maimed but not... evil?
Dethril ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:11:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Technically, from his point of view the resistance is evil
vmc_7645 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:26:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey... BLUE EYES!!!!
Not the traditional red or yellow Sith eyes. BLUE EYES!!!
He must not be a dark side wielder...
jgreenz ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:25:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude itโs palpatine.
TerminalBoneitis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:28:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol he's not.
jgreenz ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 02:34:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Remember this moment. We can revisit this in a few months.
Gusbust3r ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:36:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
RemindMe! 67 Days
TerminalBoneitis ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:38:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First of all, why in the hell would they get Andy Serkis to play Palpatine when Ian McDiarmid is still alive and still happily involved in Star Wars? Second of all, if you truly believe there's even a sliver of a whiff of a chance that Snoke is Palpatine, you haven't been paying any attention to anything.
Delror ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 02:44:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't buy him being Papa Palpatine at all, but to be fair, if he was played by Ian McDiarmid it'd spoil it immediately. So by having someone else do the role they preserve the secret. Especially since Palpatine fell down the reactor shaft, he could've gotten even more fucked than he already was. Again, I don't buy it, but yea.
TerminalBoneitis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:47:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are many different things they could have done to conceal it other than canning the actor that played the man in everything from Empire to Start Wars Rebels. Being secretive would have been super easy.
bckesso ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:53:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, that was Sam Witwer in Rebels...
TerminalBoneitis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:54:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm ahead of myself. He's supposed to be returning as Sheev in S04
Khassar_de_Templari ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:31:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nihilus.
japekai ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:45:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snoke is Hugh Hefner
crystalistwo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:53:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, he's Bill Burr. Mystery solved.
dookie_shoos ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:34:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This might actually be it.
ClickEdge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:07:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ol wrinkle tits, I'm just checkin IN ON YA
Dethril ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:09:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok now let's just make a list of all the force sensitive blue eyed humans who got completely wrecked but kept their eyebrows and we've got his true identity!
Unless he's wearing color contacts
Mrwackawacka ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:31:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hopefully not like expanded universe with another Emperor's clone....
ilovemud ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:38:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He looks like a really old President Ike Eisenhower.
CoreyTrevor1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:49:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's the librarian from the Jedi archives
Prophet92 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:54:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's a human/engineer hybrid and we find out that TLJ is actually a sequel to Prometheus.
WarWolf343 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:14:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"What's wrong with his face?!"
Psykerr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:27:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thatโs clearly a human anus given sentience.
solaradomini ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:13:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Poor guy just can't seem to make any friends
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:24:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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deekaydubya ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 02:25:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
he isn't a sith
AWDMANOUT ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:59:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's an interesting thought... What if The Last Jediโข is Snoke?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:36:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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glaciator ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 02:40:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maul was a Sith Lord. Palpatine was capable of glamoring himself to hide his true nature. Why not Snoke?
TxXxF ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:25:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why would he?
bj_good ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:24:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like a human - you think they'd have him be someone completely new/unknown to us previously?
dfrtyfiver ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:34:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Vader back from the dead!!
astraeos118 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:44:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looks straight outta that X-Files episode Home
Ejunco ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:47:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lord Voldemort
greyjackal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:48:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Going for the old v-finger licking technique...
chambros703 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:51:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well he had eyebrows so he had to be human....right?
stromdriver ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:52:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
darth lecter it seems
PureCiroc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:54:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looks quite a bit like Palpatine without the tinge of darkness in his eyes. Alternatively, Anakin's eyes were blue...
AMongolNamedFrank ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:58:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He reminds me of Anthony Hopkin's Hannibal Lector
kitty_birdy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:01:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He looks like Anthony Hopkins to me.
Ralod ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:06:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Failed Palpatine clone?
nburns1825 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:06:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snoke is Michael Berryman, confirmed
dontyieldbackshield ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:09:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like Gary Oldman from Hannibal
DankDollLitRump ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:10:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like a clone trooper
o2lsports ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:19:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Every ounce of me believed that was gonna be Manning.
NotUrAvrageFish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:20:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like my junior year of high school calculus teacher
NoJelloNoPotluck ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:21:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like Anthony Hopkins
the2belo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:22:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anthony Hopkins?
Doctor_Crunchwrap ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:31:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like the rejected spartan from 300
IsolatedDragon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:33:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looks just like Jason vorhees
tgt305 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:33:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Creature?
jb2386 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:35:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I still think it's that youngling kid.
jsmile ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:36:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely this kid
TriskyFriscuit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:41:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Darth Sloth, obvi
like_coffee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:41:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Missing the huge head but the face looks like Ki-Adi-Mundi
Ferbooch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:45:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you cover the half of his face that is deformed you can see how he really looked before. Kind of a familiar face. The eye reminds me of Luke.
Vannysh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:47:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
kinda looks like Bigglesworth from Austin Powers
Ask-About-My-Book ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:58:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Those blue eyes... He has to be that Padawan... They're really gonna do it...
scoobydoobeydoo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:00:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely Jarjar
nome707 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:00:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
OMG!! It was Anthony Hopkins all along!!!
horizontalcracker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:06:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Heyyyyy, youuuuuuu guyyyyyyyyyyss
xdanmanx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:06:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The left side of his face looks incredibly Palpatinish.
SureNick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:07:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's Yoda must be.
I don't actually believe that but at this point Yoda is the only character I haven't read a fan theory about being snoke.
blipblop12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:10:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HI RES jar jar. Have you seen the high res sponge bob stills??
chrt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:14:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
looks like that pig faced orc in Return of the King, granted only cause you can't see his whole face here
EONS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:14:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The top of the face, specifically the eyes, looks like it was modeled off of Anthony Hopkins.
PurifiedVenom ยท 188 points ยท Posted at 02:13:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
His CGI looked pretty good too which is nice
WhoTookPlasticJesus ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 03:25:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Much better than the Chewie's new sidekick or the ice wolf thing. I hope those animations are better in the final production.
[deleted] ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 03:12:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean they CGI'd an entire Peter Cushing for a whole movie pretty god damn convincingly I'm sure they can pull of a fucked up made-up dude
cockyjames ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 03:34:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's pointing it out because some people feel that Snoke looked "off" in TFA. A lot of people complained about it. Though I thought it was a little silly considering he was a hologram.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 03:36:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, I know what they mean. It wasn't so much the hologram as it was that he looked like a sort of melted 3-year-old.
FlyingPenguin900 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:34:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought it was very un-convincing. Something about all the scenes with him and the one with young Leia was very off. Bothered me extremly not just to watch it, but how out of place they looked. Somehow both bland and overdone, like someone was working on it for far too long and started to see little imperfections till they fixed it past correct.
Also it felt like they shook or something? Very off-putting, and pulled me completely out of the film.
Ruhnie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:42:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_valley maybe?
WikiTextBot ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:42:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uncanny valley
In aesthetics, the uncanny valley is a hypothesized relationship between the degree of an object's resemblance to a human being and the emotional response to such an object. The concept of the uncanny valley suggests that humanoid objects which appear almost, but not exactly, like real human beings elicit uncanny, or strangely familiar, feelings of eeriness and revulsion in observers. Valley denotes a dip in the human observer's affinity for the replica, a relation that otherwise increases with the replica's human likeness.
Examples can be found in robotics, 3D computer animations, and lifelike dolls among others.
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FlyingPenguin900 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:29:25 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe, but it didn't freak me out, and I didn't find it repulsive. It just seemed like super obvious/bad CG that reminded me of the early aughts.
poopiepantsjunior ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:56:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snoke is motion capture though, which is why he looks more realistic.
SentinelSquadron ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:17:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure Snoke was going to be real makeup and not a CGI character this time around!
thelastevergreen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:28:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thats not real makeup
SentinelSquadron ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:35:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They said he was going to be practical in TLJ
PiesDerp ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:57:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a mix of CGI and practical effects. I don't know if that means one scene he's CGI the next he's a cosplayer or if they just edit the actors movements to spice it up a bit
thelastevergreen ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:02:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its probably a real body with a motion capture face or a motion capture overlay like Tarkin.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:40:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Stubbledorange ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 02:53:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's.... He's literally a hologram in TFA... Of course he looks better in this
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:35:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looks better than Maz in TFA too. Of course this is just one brief shot though.
shmusko01 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:40:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why can't they just use damn puppets.
I would much rather see an actual little furball with a goofy animatronic mouth than some shitty cgi glossy piece of shit.
*edit well apparently those are actual real props.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:13:21 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Watch the BTS reel. They show some glimpses of mind-blowing animatronic work in the creature department.
AssCrackBanditHunter ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 05:27:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's a full color hologram for the vast majority of it that was supposed to be indistinguishable from real life
rbarton812 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:37:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Minus the fact that he was 25 feet tall.
AssCrackBanditHunter ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:45:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. He did that part on purpose to be spooky. It wasn't a limitation of the technology.
ActuallyAquaman ยท 277 points ยท Posted at 02:12:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sadly not three inches tall.
iOnlySawTokyoDrift ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 02:59:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I desperately wanted him to actually be as big as his hologram.
Redlodger0426 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 02:32:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Damn, itโs not colonel meebur gascon!
VidzxVega ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:52:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pfft, that map reader?
ben0318 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 10:39:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snoke: <in a high squeaky voice, a la Judge Doomโs toon form> Judge me by my size, do you?
Finn: <punts snoke and busts a gut laughing> Yep!
Leia: Iโve got a bad feeling about this...
mrsuns10 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:52:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
just like my dick
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:17:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People from r/StarWarsLeaks say he is 8 feet tall.
Fiat-Libertas ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 02:13:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Really did look like an ancient old man that shouldn't be alive.
sicarius6292 ยท 66 points ยท Posted at 02:27:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
dluminous ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:37:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except Plagieus was not human?
koleye ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 02:43:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think his species has been established in the new canon.
sicarius6292 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:51:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought that was thrown out with all the rest of legends? I could be wrong but the only mention of him now is from sheev's speech a d that didn't mention his race. Snoke could also be the "life" he created.
burlycabin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:18:41 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He came up in Tarkin as well. Though I haven't read it, so I have no idea if is species is mentioned.
dogsarethetruth ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 02:55:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't anticipate any significant throwback to the prequels. They know not to touch that with a ten-foot pole.
AssCrackBanditHunter ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 05:29:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Individual elements of the prequels were solid, it's just all together that things start to get weird. If they wanna mention coruscant or something I'm down
burlycabin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:21:41 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Though I wouldn't say that midichlorians are a solid element of the prequels.
Kilmonjaro ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 03:11:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There was already a throwback with the old Jedi symbol
killtr0city ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:59:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo Ren is a glaring throwback to grandpa Anakin. They have the same mannerisms and appearance, but Abrams can direct people and not just CGI aliens, so Kylo has this thing called... emotion.
NotGmoney5 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 02:23:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This attempt on my life has left me scarred and deformed.
pm_me_your_flactoid ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:35:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I REALLY wanted him to be a giant...
Baphometronic ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:42:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or yoda sized
Flexappeal ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 02:45:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
looks like me nan
gyutop ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:55:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This guys nan = Snoke confirmed.
Chaotic-Catastrophe ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:39:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snoke is Einhorn confirmed
Cooperjmartin724 ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 02:18:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looks pretty Plagueis-y to me
intensenerd ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:38:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm not familiar with him. Help me out?
Cooperjmartin724 ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 02:42:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Haven't you ever heard the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise?
throwawaybettor ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 03:03:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not a story Jon Gruden would tell you.
CharlesInChange ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:06:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Spider 2 Y Banana
intensenerd ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:19:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Imma be honest and say Iโve honestly never heard of him.
Lord_Boborch ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 04:38:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought not
mcmunch20 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:18:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Palpatines master that he supposedly killed.
whitemamba83 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:54:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have you seen Revenge of the Sith?
intensenerd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:25:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
.....not since opening day....
whitemamba83 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:26:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here's a refresher.
moby323 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:58:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Heโs a major character in some of the books. They are good books you should check them out.
aRVAthrowaway ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:43:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is anyone else going to point out the allusions to Chancellor Palpatine's red-colored office and apartment and even that there are clearly red-clothed persons in the chamber, seemingly similar to Emperor Palpantine's Royal Guards? Not to mention that robe looked like something Palpatine would rock back in the day.
moonwalkindinos ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:29:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought that said red-colored orifice.
peatoast ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:45:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He looks like Voldemort on meth.
BenSolo12345 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:20:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looks sooooooooo much better than the CG Snoke in TFA.
JonathanAlexander ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:20:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean ex-Chancellor Valorum, right ?
useless_uterus ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:19:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dudes gotta lay off the crack rock
whycantibelinus ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:24:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Get up off that crack rock and come be Pepper Jacks best ho!
rondell_jones ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:47:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snoke is Tyron Biggums
LearningLifeAsIGo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:34:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Damn. He is only 22 years old.
youngbuck- ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:19:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't wait to see what they do with him
thestonedonkey ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:25:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know what it is but he reminds me of Maz
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:40:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I saw the same resemblance and thought maybe they were related, but after looking at side by side pictures, they seem to have very different facial features. I think it's just the cgi wrinkles.
made_in_silver ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:45:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't judge a person from the outside
Monkeymonkey27 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:16:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like someone who has been digested
Inca_Kola_Holic ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:30:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He is Mace Windu
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:14:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who is snoke?
dalr3th1n ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:36:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
John galt
tlhrek2011 ยท -19 points ยท Posted at 02:19:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
how can you be so idiotic
edit: hot damn wtf is wrong with me. im sorry, dude. im sorry.
BOBULANCE ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:23:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well that was a bit much
crooks4hire ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:38:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here. This comment right here is where I lost my shit lmfao.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:20:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry?
tlhrek2011 ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 02:26:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, I'm sorry.
It was uncalled for and I have no idea why I typed that. Seriously though, looking back I don't remember exactly what got me triggered.
I'm sorry.
(also snoke is the dude that trained kylo ren. big hologram dude in the force awakens)
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:26:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah its fine. Thanks for the response
Balmoral92 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 08:14:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like u/thlrek2011's story arc. It possibly mirrors Kylo Ren's.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:39:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's okay, man. Sometimes we say stuff we don't mean. No worries. You apologized which is a good thing.
The_Real_BenFranklin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:31:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Way more human looking.
Purplemasonjar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:39:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That sorta looks like Palpatine...
Humboldt79 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:51:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So itโs confirmed that he can use the force?
JanMichaelVincent16 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:58:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty impressed with the CGI - it's a definite step up from TFA.
AnAppariti0n ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:32:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Voldemort resurrected again
gameofsnowcones ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:40:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait heโs not 80 feet tall? /s
ShoMeUrNoobs ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:41:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm so snoked!
Variability ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:06:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like a dried up baby.
suchandsuch ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:13:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like Anthony Hopkins in the eyes.
DefconDelta88 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:00:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
His eye is drifting off his face like I'm on lsd.
bardzero ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:50:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like Goldmember
kotor610 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:37:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really hope he's strictly a force user. No lightsaber.
rocketwilco ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:18:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jar Jar needs some moisturizer.
sabasco_tauce ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:07:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
looks like ghoul from fallout 4 lel
MessyRoom ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:26:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Should call him Gobba Ghoul
madamz ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:16:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FTFY
NihiloZero ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:18:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snoke is a distraction. A smokescreen. The real villian is Luke. Snoke is his apprentice, at best. Snoke won't survive Episode VIII.
StarWarsTNG ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:55:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone commenting about it being Anakin, Plageus, Palpatine, what about Bane? After all it's thought that he transferred his essence to Zannah.
aaninja64 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:06:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not a chance, he'll either be a character from previous movies or an original character, they won't draw someone from a supplementary material from a much different time period
StarWarsTNG ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:10:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know it's just me being wishful
niftypotatoe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:38:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He looks very human. He's pale skin, very human face, white hair eyebrows. Lends credence that he's someone from the past movies. Also I think that line of fulfill your destiny is related to him telling Kylo Ren or Rey (but probably Kylo Ren) to kill him.
Darksoldierr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:57:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anakin really went town on that poor youngling
cloud1161 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:54:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly thought it was Gothmog
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:35:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snoke is cloned palatine conformed!!!!!!! /s
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:56:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pssh. What a xenophobe. This is why the wookies don't trust you.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:31:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like Woody Allen
Game-of-pwns ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:15:40 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like Voldermort got the Deadpool treatment.
MeLovesMe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:30:31 on October 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Whenever I see him I just think a yogurt raisin.
levitikush ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:42:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh my, It's Mace...
clothy ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 08:18:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He looks mighty cgi. I hope they patch him up a bit.
Captain_Flemme ยท 2699 points ยท Posted at 02:08:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So when Rey says "I need someone to show me my place in all this", I'm pretty sure she's talking to Luke, on Ach-to.
However, I'm also pretty sure that when Kylo extends his hand, he's facing Rey.
This is very exciting.
pinktini ยท 1202 points ยท Posted at 02:31:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In terms of who Kylo is giving a hand to, his body language and all, it has to be either Leia or Rey.
He hates Finn and Luke way too much to be that nice lol.
Maybe it could be Poe, but I don't see them interacting 1 on 1.
KingofMadeupVille ยท 469 points ยท Posted at 03:50:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's the Porg
[deleted] ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 13:14:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Porg's are key to all of this
GimmeDjibouti ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 14:09:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It like Porgetry, it rhymes
BryceGladwin1 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:41:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Around the Porg's a perimeter create.
JacksLackOfSuprise ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 13:04:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Resistance is futile
codychro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:18:55 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
God please
KingofMadeupVille ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:30:50 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://imgur.com/jm7yW0v
superthrust ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 05:18:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
โ.....โ โ.....โ โ.....okay, so who reaches out first...? I reach out first...? You reach out first...?โ
macbeezy_ ยท 72 points ยท Posted at 02:40:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or luke in a force vision that Rey is witnessing.
pinktini ยท 78 points ยท Posted at 02:45:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
From the past? Kylo has the face scar though.
gqbriggs ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 03:32:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am thinking force vision ala Luke in the Dagobah cave...
macbeezy_ ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 02:46:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Through Reyโs eyes so her perception of him maybe?
Nb4 thatโs not how the force works.
g35fan ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 05:03:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Look at the scene of Kylo right after he smashes his helmet...that scar on his face is the new scar. The scar at the end of the trailer scene is not the same. The end scene of him sticking out his hand is definitely going to be a flashback of him reaching out to Luke when Kylo destroyed the temple and everything is on fire.
surfwax584 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 05:44:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why would he have the scar when he destroyed the temple? He got the scar at the end of TFA
g35fan ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 05:48:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He always had that "light" scar...the "heavy" scar he got at the end of TFA is what is now filled in with that black mark...check the scene halfway through the trailer right after he smashes his helmet into the wall...you can clearly see the newer scar. This is the present. At the end of this trailer, his scar is the old "light" scar...notice none of the black filling in the scar. This is why it's a flash back to the jedi temple scene.
surfwax584 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 05:52:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
sure about that light scar?
Edit: shot #2
g35fan ยท -16 points ยท Posted at 05:56:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
hmmm...not convinced, in the first link I still see the scar above his eye brow. We'll see soon :)
Deezer19 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 12:32:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What the fuck are you talking about? Convinced of what? He just showed you proof. How are you confusing a line through his eyebrow with a 8 inch slash down the side of his face?
g35fan ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 13:17:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Chill out bro. Look closely at the first link he provided, the still shot, there is a scar there, above his eye brow...you can see it. You can't see the scar on the side of his cheek however...so this is why I said I'm unconvinced.
khiron ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:04:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're trying too hard to stand behind your theory by seeing something that's not there.
Even if your assumption is correct, the scar is across his face, 8 inches long. A scar above his eye brow is not a scar across his face.
theavengerbutton ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 05:19:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, the scar just healed--probably from the weird black bandaid he was wearing earlier.
g35fan ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:49:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I doubt it...the flashback to the jedi temple definitely happens...and it makes sense that Kylo reaches out to Luke before buying him in that rubble...but we'll find out soon!
theavengerbutton ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 07:00:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why would he have the scar, then?
jd1ms4 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:41:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't make sense โ he wouldn't have the scar at all in that case.
brassmonkeybb ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 03:17:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As others have said, maybe he is switching sides and is extending his hand to luke in hopes that he will accept him back.
Murderous_squirrel ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 03:34:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Doubtful. Looks more like a "please join me" gesture. Not so much a "please let me come back"
brassmonkeybb ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:38:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe.
Kinrohh ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:55:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Possibly.
ShittyDBZGuitarRiffs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:50:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Perhaps.
hexwolfman ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 09:44:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yippee!
Chris_Parker ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 03:28:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If the last movie is anything to go off of, I don't see him doing a lot period.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:30:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like the theory of it being Leia. That there is some redemption there where she is the one who helps turn him to the light.
StingKing456 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 12:23:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's Borgullet
andykekomi ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:21:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bor gullet will know the truth!
Elzena_ ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:22:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Leia is Snoke
Thefriendlyfaceplant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:07:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It all makes sense now.
TheTravinator ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:35:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So... Who talks first? You talk first? I talk first?
pibbledad76 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:58:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well in empire Luke refuses to go with Vader, maybe they'll change it up a bit and Rey will go with kylo?
JediJimbo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:29:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reya. Both at once.
Thefriendlyfaceplant ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:06:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm going with him reaching out to Leia.
Batman1154 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:23:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think its Leia. I think he's offering to help her escape from capture.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:36:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's more inconsequential. I noticed a new version of his lightsaber. I'm betting him outstretching his hand is literally just getting it handed to him by Snoke during training.
addandsubtract ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:34:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo could just be reaching out his hand to Snoke for all we know.
Jecach ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:12:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Poe+Kylo= Pylo, confirmed
Sailor_Gallifrey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:34:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You might be onto something with the Leia thing. Where he killed his father thingies it would be closer to the dark side, he can't bring himself to do the same to his mother so he saves her, ringing him back to the light.
JobieWanKenobi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:00:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Leia right before he stabs her with his junk lightsaber, just like Han, it's poetry
Antmoral2314 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:41:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think he might be looking at Luke and extending his hand to him, the fire things falling around him might be the fallen house that Luke's Hand comes out of earlier on in the trailer
pinktini ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:29:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This has been brought up already and it can't be, because you can see the face scar from Rey slicing him with the lightsaber in TFA
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:26:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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pinktini ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:31:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He does have the scar tho.
IronYax ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if it's Solo in his imagination?
pinktini ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:31:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think I'd survive the angst and sticks in my eyes
clayparson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:26:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, it's Chewie for sure.
Quantus_X ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:20:45 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder if he would even remember Poe
bwilkes ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 05:04:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He doesn't have his robo-scar on his face, so it's certainly earlier in the movie.
mattmul ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 06:42:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or it could be later after the scar has healed better and he no longer needs the scar thing.
Jmalcolmmac ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 03:24:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ach-to? Bless you.
Altnob ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:58:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think he doesn't kill Leia and tries to save her. That's who he's reaching to.
nerfherder17 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:24:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That hand is coming off i reckon
Cloudy_mood ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 06:31:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually when Kylo puts his hand up it's to grab the Chinese delivery for him and the boys.
anomaly_xb-6783746 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 03:02:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's what I think, too. I think the way the trailer is cut they spliced two scenes together to make us think that convo between Rey and Kylo actually happens like that, and it doesn't. But I think the overall sentiment, that Rey is lost and Kylo reaches out (literally or figuratively) to help her, will happen.
PhantomBananas ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:56:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Additionally, I think Kylo's dialogue in the middle of the trailer was directed at Rey.
"Let the past die; kill it, if you have to. It's the only way to become what you were meant to be."
bessann28 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:56:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you look at her hair and outfit when she says that line, it's what's she's wearing in the first scene when she gives Luke the lightsaber. Pretty much no way she meets up with Kylo that early in the movie.
cockyjames ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:36:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think she's talking to Anakin. Kylo talks to Vader, Rey talks to Anakin.
She's in the force tree I believe in that scene, which is what makes me speculate that.
thinkmurphy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:08:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And since this is Star Wars, he's likely to get that hand chopped off.
Dallywack3r ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:09:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Im thinking Kylo extends a hand to Rey right before they duel.
myanrueller ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:10:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's a double misdirection. I think you're right on both counts, but I think that Kylo is seeking help from Rey, and the episode will end with Finn under Snoke's tutelage. I could be wrong, but Kylo's look is one of desperation at least to me.
rimmed ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:52:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think when he reaches out, that's in a force vision standing in front of the burned down Jedi school.
R2_D2aneel_Olivaw ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:33:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gesundheit.
grachi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:58:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
oh bless you.
bro_b1_kenobi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:27:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is that confirmed where Luke has been chilling out? Part of the KOTOR fan in me reaally wanted it to be Tython - the birth of the Jedi Order
CrossedSemantical ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:04:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But I feel like that is fairly early in the movie since he doesn't have the carbon fiber (?) scar across his face that he has in other shots.
Judge_Trash ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:53:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Regarding Rey, I think you're right. Looks almost like she's wearing the same outfit from the end of TFA so maybe early on trying to convince Luke to train her a la Luke and Yoda in Empire?
As for Kylo, I'm betting it's someone who would hellp him rescue Rey from Snoke. Maybe Finn? This is assuming he gets redeemed of course.
jacenat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:08:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or Leia.
dadrawk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:09:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We saw like 3 scenes where the place is burning down. The one where Kylo extends his hand might not be the same one that the cut to Rey is from.
throwaway_for_keeps ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:44:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think Kylo is facing Luke at the end there.
We don't ever see them together and I think the two of them are gonna have some important revelations.
I think by the end of this movie, Kylo and Rey will be on Luke's team, with Hux and Snoke revealing their cache of Spaarti clone cylinders and fleet of slave-rigged dreadnaughts.
ExPandaa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:07:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's probably extending his hand to luke. If you look at the scene where luke is buried in rubble it fits together very well with the kylo scene.
RecipesAndPolitics ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:00:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or she's talking to Snoke, after Luke rejected her because he was to afraid of her immense power. It didn't scare him enough when he saw it in Ben/Kylo, now he's afraid to make the same mistake and he scares her away towards Snoke.
Notmybestusername3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:25:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, she's talking to Snoke. That's at the end. Where she starts to turn to the dark side.
ilteeteto ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:09:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not with that outfit and that hairstyle
shadow7786 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:39:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think anakin force ghost on mustafar
lemastersg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:14:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly I think this is one a moment similar to Luke's moment with Darth Vader on Dagobah. So it's happening, but not in the way we think it is.
chaddax ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:16:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bless you.
CalculonsPride ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:26:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe it's to Finn after he has his change of heart and saves him from Phasma. The environment looks the same.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:17:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He doesn't have his scar in place in that scene. He does in earlier shots. So that scene likely happens early in the movie.
meh100 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if he's extending his hand to a random stormtrooper or something?
ThisIsRyGuy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I do agree that he's facing Rey when he extends his hand. If you look at the lighting from that part of the trailer, the orange is on Rey's right side and on Kylo's left side. I definitely think that scene involves both of them.
deRoyLight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:07:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not entirely sure that the black glove reaching down to pick up the light saber isn't on a female's hand.
clwestbr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:06:44 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I saw someone who said it might be Finn. The theory is basically that Kylo can't go through with killing his mom and betrays Snoke, assisting Finn against Phasma and extending a hand to him.
arikoyote ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:11 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely! I think Kylo is definitely extending to Rey, but I do NOT see her saying that to Kylo. She's called him on all of his crap this whole time, and I don't see her straying from the mid-light now. That said, I'm excited to see Luke train her and bring the Jedi principles to a more grey Jedi approach.
Can we also say something about Mr. Finn in his AMAZING get up fighting Phasma? LORT. <3
NothappyJane ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:20:01 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe I'm misreading things, but I think it's Rey.
I'm by no means shipping but the few times he's met Rey Kylie has done things that are kind of intimate. The way he passed her out and carried her, when he took off his helmet for her just because she asked him. He wanted to train her, he wanted her to join him, like he asked. He's not just about cutting her down.
I don't know what's the deal, but he seems to have some kind of undeniable connection to her. Him putting out his hand, to get her to join him seems on brand for him trying every single tactic he can to get her closer to the darkside.
KingofMadeupVille ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:56:06 on December 23, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Turns out you were right aye
Stimming ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:34:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bless you
it2d ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:24:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The theory that Rey goes dark and Kylo turns back to the light just doesn't make any sense to me. Why would Luke's blue lightsaber have called to Rey if she was just going to turn to the dark side?
unfurledseas ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 05:28:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, uh, that lightsaber has been through quite a bit of dark side stuff. Certain children from the Jedi Temple can attest to that one.
Kinrohh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:00:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because it called to her in The Force Awakens which is before The Last Jedi I believe.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:30:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is the same lightsaber that's been bathed in youngling blood...
Caelum_au_Cylus ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:24:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I definitely think he's extending his hand to Rey. Look at the lighting on each of their faces.
Puddz ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:45:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo giving his hand to Luke in a fake out. "I've changed. Show me the light again" and then proceed's to murder Luke. Leaving Rey as the "Last Jedi"
SKTisBAEist ยท 2597 points ยท Posted at 02:47:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
KYLO STOP KILLING YOUR PARENTS YOU UNGRATEFUL LITTLE SHIT
cgo_12345 ยท 1130 points ยท Posted at 04:20:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
STOP PLAYING ORIGINAL TRILOGY CAST WHACK-A-MOLE DAMMIT
servercobra ยท 306 points ยท Posted at 05:12:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I swear to god if he kills Chewie...
grubas ยท 515 points ยท Posted at 05:23:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, Chewie is going to be fine.
THEN WHAM, MOON OUT OF NOWHERE!
enemawatson ยท 64 points ยท Posted at 06:50:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
THAT'S NOWHERE NEAR A MOON.
Levis_Dad ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 07:31:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's near a space station!
servercobra ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 12:15:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Goddamn Yuuzhan Vong
Satherton ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 13:58:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the moon death was by the most more metal of deaths ever
Blueburriee423 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:08:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually it was a rock
stillnopickles14 ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 12:48:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
THATโS NO LONGER CANON, COME ON
garriusbearius ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 16:45:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
WEE WOO WEE WOO IT'S THE FUCKING CANON POLICE
stillnopickles14 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:34:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shitty day at work, and this made me laugh really hard.
Thank you, kind stranger.
garriusbearius ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:09:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh good. I've done this before and been told not to be a dick, but everyone failed to realize that I was just joking. I'm glad I could brighten up your day a bit.
Thor_2099 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:34:13 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's the best thing to come out of the old EU getting scrapped
shards397 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 13:01:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
still too soon
YepYouRedditRight2 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:03:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's gonna bash Kylo through a wall before he dies.
red5jam ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:09:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No one expects a crashing Sernpidal!
BryceGladwin1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A moon gets ya!
ShadowPhoenix22 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:19:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
George Bailey: I'll give you the moon, Chewie.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:32:41 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TO SOON
Bexirt ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 06:38:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
chewie and porg seems to be a thing now
dalectrics ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 06:57:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like a leaf on the wind ๐
Ihaveopinionstoo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:39:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
watch chewie soar
cgo_12345 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 10:48:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How do you say "then we'll burn this motherfucker down" in Wookiee?
FrankGoreStoleMyBike ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 11:16:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
RaaarrrfghhlllllbbbbRAAAGGGGVEEERRR
KosstAmojan ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:56:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, the only way Chewie is allowed to die is howling in defiance as a fucking moon crashes down onto him.
zombiemakemelol ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:06:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hear only droid attacks work on wookies.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:38:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FUCK RA SALVATORE. I'M STILL PISSED.
ghaashshakh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:35:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Started crying a bit
dongsuvious ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:50:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's been freeloading for long enough
KCIV ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:04:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dont' worry everyone will get over it in the next 5 minutes....
Really didn't appreciate chewie moving on so quickly. Not even a chewie bonds with rey sequence!
wingspantt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:17:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My prediction is actually that he destroys the Millennium Falcon.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:23:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Chewie is a leaf on the wind.
Thor_2099 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:33:42 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If chewie dies I'm not sure I can handle it
Le_9k_Redditor ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 09:45:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Got to kill them off before they die irl, that's why chewie will live
detailed_fred ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 09:11:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They have to die eventually.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:27:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They gotta find a way out for Carrie Fischer seeing as she passed between 7 and 8.
killtr0city ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:03:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It would help if one of them hadn't died prematurely...
Prcrstntr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:15:00 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The only one who is safe is R2D2.
Morkamino_Bones ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:10:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
next up is billy dee williams
cgo_12345 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:37:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You MONSTER.
the2belo ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 03:58:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kind of futile to tell him now, if he's already done it twice
SKTisBAEist ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 04:05:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If he keeps it at this point he's going to get a stern talking to from his 3rd uncle, maybe even a timeout.
[deleted] ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 05:03:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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infinight888 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 12:25:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The fact that they showed that in this trailer practically guarantees he won't actually do it.
Aeon_Mortuum ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:39:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The button-press meme seems relevant here
droden ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:41:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ive never understood how either vader or kylo could be redeemed. millions were murdered under their watch (Alderaan and the entire Hosnian System) and they directly killed 100s. vader murdered an entire room full of children. one nice act at the end of their evil killing spree does not redeem at all.
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 13:21:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus you are salty
Mithrandir_The_Gray ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 10:50:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not a phase mom!
rennui ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 04:33:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The people behind Leia are very calm, so I doubt they're in the line of fire in that shot
happyevil ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 06:02:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe they don't know. Leia senses it through the force but they don't.
wreckingballheart ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 09:15:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And even if she can't sense danger she is guaranteed to be able to sense Kylo when he is nearby.
J-Debstup ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:10:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
KYLO CHEWBACCA ANAKIN SOLO! YOU COME BACK HOME RIGHT NOW! - Leia, probably
NihiloZero ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:29:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo will probably be trying to save Leia... from Luke.
[deleted] ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 06:47:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Nihht ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:57:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm saving this because it's really goddamn plausible.
phreshjive29 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:41:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bad Kylo!
JackDelRetard ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:40:55 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can't just go around shooting people in the dick, Butters.
Zoze13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:05:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Laughing out loud alone, thank you
WEEEIRD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:23:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo Ren- the secret 3rd Menendez brother
OmegaSE ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:04:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't trust what you saw there.
atheoncrutch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:07:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's livin the dream
ThaNorth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:57:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
His parents never had time to care for him. Leah was always busy with the republic and political shit and Han was always away on stupid adventures having fun while Ben had to take care of himself.
Sedu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:28:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just this one more and he'll stop. Promise.
spiderpigface ยท 8144 points ยท Posted at 02:00:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Captain Phasma not useless confirmed!
Sligmit ยท 3202 points ยท Posted at 02:06:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And fighting her with TR-8R's riot baton.
fperrine ยท 1642 points ยท Posted at 02:20:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finn couldn't get Rey's lightsaber, so he went for the next best thing.
exorad ยท 514 points ยท Posted at 02:41:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wasn't that Luke's tho?
WeylandCorp4 ยท 672 points ยท Posted at 02:45:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anakins actually
Ralph-Hinkley ยท 483 points ยท Posted at 02:46:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anakin's
thirdsecond.Edit: I confused the green one for the third, my bad. I was super jazzed on the trailer and my mind went elsewhere.
Billy1138 ยท 847 points ยท Posted at 02:54:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Obi-Wan's gonna kill him.
geeky_username ยท 218 points ยท Posted at 03:19:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He was right about that...
BleedAmerican ยท 82 points ยท Posted at 03:36:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, sorta...
taulover ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 06:34:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
THIS WEAPON IS YOUR LIFE!
BryceGladwin1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:31:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry master....
famousxrobot ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 11:56:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Heโs only MOSTLY dead
AceEightWins ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:34:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humperdink
Ralph-Hinkley ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:03:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pointless anecdote: I made a second profile on FB about six years ago Called Miracle Max, and I just fucked with people all the time. People couldn't figure out who I was because I friended all the same people and myself just to keep people guessing. That went on for about two months before the sleuths caught on.
ascriptmaster ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 08:38:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, from a certain point of view
Quotent_Quotables ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:01:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's going to be VERY grumpy.
MartyFraser98 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:57:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TOO SOON
RocketTasker ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:54:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The negotiations were short!
Ralph-Hinkley ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 04:00:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unfortunately, Anakin is the death of Obi-Wan.
more_than_a_hammer ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 03:03:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Senate hates him.
NGMajora ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 05:27:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Find out this simple trick that left the Senate baffled
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 08:40:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But...I am the Senate!
Kellt_ ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 09:23:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So it's treason then
Kitzinger1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:08:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Upvote for you. That made me laugh.
achillea666 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:14:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
r/SadDads
jamesboxell ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 09:31:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Second technically, he was only borrowing the green one.
Ralph-Hinkley ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:48:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Correct, my bad.
XxDaft7xX ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:20:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
His third ?
Ralph-Hinkley ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:48:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was confusing the green loaner.
Jared781 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:41:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
*Second. I always loved how similar it was to Vader's.
Anjunabeast ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:30:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thought Rey's light saber was anakins second lightsaber? Iirc which I probably don't, he lost his original lights saber before the colosseum in attack of the clones, got a temporary one when the Jedi order arrived, and built a proper lightsaber (Rey's) between the second and third movies. That would make his third lightsaber the red one we see him build in the Darth Vader comics and in the OT.
Ralph-Hinkley ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're correct, I was confusing the green loaner.
doesntaffrayed ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:38:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I super jazzed everywhere while watching the trailer too, no shame in it.
SidewinderBudd ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 04:55:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Obi-Wan carried it longer than anyone else.
WeylandCorp4 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:27:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But he'll probably claim insanity.
UncleChickenHam ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:03:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maz is the rightful owner.
WeylandCorp4 ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 03:05:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Plot twist: anakin comes back from the dead and has everyone who's held it arrested for theft.
Needbouttreefiddy ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 03:35:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo gets a second charge for stealing Vaders helmet. All get 40 hours community service and 6 months parole. Credits roll
WeylandCorp4 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:52:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What about snoke, he stole palpatine and anakins idea.
northrupthebandgeek ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 06:18:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't wait for the big reveal that Snoke is actually the first of an endless parade of Palpatine clones.
WeylandCorp4 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:26:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No your information is wrong, he's that padawan from ROTS
northrupthebandgeek ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:29:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I do not believe our hypotheses to be mutually exclusive.
WeylandCorp4 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:45:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
B-but that's not how it works
joeybuns ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:47:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They didn't copyright it in their haste to rule the galaxy so it's fair game
branj70 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 08:32:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Palpatine seems like the kinda guy to get his stuff trademarked & patented though
10outa10wudfap ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:41:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In true lawful-evil form.
WeylandCorp4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:44:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly, so what snoke did is intellectual theft or something
SheepD0g ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 10:18:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love this sub so gotdamn much
VanillaTortilla ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:40:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's treason, then.
WeylandCorp4 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:44:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's time for you to leave
BryceGladwin1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:31:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yep
WeylandCorp4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Recently?
MondoBizarro ยท 573 points ยท Posted at 02:44:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes...from a certain point of view.
Sebach ยท 269 points ยท Posted at 03:03:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The view from the high ground?
_duncan_idaho_ ยท 65 points ยท Posted at 03:05:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You underestimate my vantage point.
bluegrassgazer ยท 71 points ยท Posted at 03:25:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've altered the angle. Pray I don't alter it any further.
Xacto01 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:46:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dear obi wan Kenobi....
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:13:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're the pope.
Lexotic ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:10:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Amen
BoltonSauce ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 06:09:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This angle is getting worse all the time!
mrjobby ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:11:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What about the droid attack on the vertex?
bogidyboy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:19:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh itโs true. Itโs damn true
wolfchili ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:51:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
From my point of view the vantage points are evil
detroiter85 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 03:07:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hello down there
grandplans ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:16:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love you guys all so much.
Algnosis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:36:16 on October 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aha! I see what you did there..
bardzero ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:49:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A certain point of view?
sunwooo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:32:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have you heard the tragedy of the sand that shot first?
RolandTheJabberwocky ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:44:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It should really just get its own title by this point.
NilsTillander ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:21:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It belongs to Kylo!
Coldspark824 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:03:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Finnsaber
freelanceryork ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:52:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Finnelstick
GoldenGonzo ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:55:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We're seriously already calling it "Rey's" now? She held it for like 5 minutes.
Noxeron ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:40:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Welcome to the future!
Where Anakins is Lukes and Lukes are Reys!
Akuze25 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:07:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lucasfilm is calling it Rey's Lightsaber.
W00DERS0N ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:19:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Didnโt a Neo trooper yank one out at Maz,s cantina?
nachoolo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:27:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the most badass characters in the sequels beat someone armed with a lightsaber with that thing.
It's not the next best thing, is the best thing
lunchtimereader ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:52:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hes got a cool costume this time
ThatDonutDude ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:50 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Why does she get to keep the light sword?!"
atomicbunny ยท 542 points ยท Posted at 02:21:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
By e9 I wanna see Finn become the iconic figurehead of defecting from the first order (if not sooner). The Empire/Rebellion/First Order/Resistance has always just been cops and robbers, Finn defecting is the first real evidence of true rebellion.
[deleted] ยท 90 points ยท Posted at 02:40:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finn was in a First Order uniform, does this confirm Captain Phasma is the real defector?
Also, Kylo Ren throwing his helmet against the wall might be taking place after he kills Leia.
tarekd19 ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 02:47:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm willing to bet he doesn't go through with it. She'll likely still die, maybe even in the same scene, but not by his hand after he hesitated and decided against it.
kylesnooze ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 04:45:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think he does it, and it's one of the first scenes of the movie.
wreckingballheart ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 08:40:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One of the first scenes doesn't seem likely since we know Carrie Fisher played more than a bit part in the movie.
BushyDio ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:59:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because they would spoil that before the movie came out, and this trailer has no red herrings.
LoSboccacc ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:26:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
must be one of the first scenes for obvious reasons, but this is a sw trailer so everything is a lie. probably he hesitates and random pilot 1431 finishes the job or he set in motion the events that lead to her death but doesn't metaphorically pull the trigger, this being instead the start of the path to redemption? who knows. just assume trailer is trying the hardest to tell a different story
atomicbunny ยท 109 points ยท Posted at 02:43:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iโll bet Finn snuck onto a FO ship, knocked out an officer and stole his uniform. Saw something like that happen in a movie once.
And thatโs entirely feasible, I have a feeling Iโm going to really like how well Adam Driver plays inner turmoil.
Ralph-Hinkley ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 03:12:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I too saw that in a movie aboard a zepplin with a familiar actor.
Poc4e ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 03:28:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Blade Runner
Am I doing this right?
Ralph-Hinkley ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 03:56:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Swing and a miss. I was referring to Last Crusade.
GabrielMunn ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:04:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was thinking Raiders. But on second thought they did that again in The Last Crusade, didn't they?
Ralph-Hinkley ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:29:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"No ticket."
gumby_twain ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:50:09 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No ticket.
fox437 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:29:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The only one who recognizes him would be aphasia probably, hence the fight scene.
leadhound ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 03:02:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Phasma, if the book is to be believed, will throw in the hat for whoever best suits her desire for power and control, and kill anyone in her way. I don't see her staying with the order until the end
pissmeltssteelbeams ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 13:39:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's a bounty hunter slowly digesting in a sarlac that could use a partner.
ChivalrousBasterd ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:15:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would actually be interesting to see. If we can't get Tormund and Brienne making adorably rotten giant ginger babies, maybe we can ship Phasma Fett. I'm usually not one for shipping at all. But seriously.
noydbshield ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:08:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Phett
theivoryserf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:16:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We can't have all the villains defect
XNonameX ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 04:17:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm gonna pull a Chris Angel on you: The First Order doesn't appear to be an official government, thus making them the rebels.
[deleted] ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 02:41:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What? If anything the First Order is the Rebelling, as they are quite literally โrebellingโ against the New Republic. Just because they are on the bad side doesnโt make them the Empire of this trilogy.
atomicbunny ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 02:50:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My point is you donโt see the why in any of it. These guys wear white armor and the other guys wear earth tones and orange flight suits, then they shoot at each other. The first time you see someone really have impetus for leaving their given station in life is Finn not firing on Lor San Tekkaโs camp. IMO thatโs the truest form of rebelling. I suppose one could argue that they discussed this and how the rebellion formed in the prequels but I donโt put a lot of weight in those. And even then it didnโt seem like it was a life or death decision. It was just political chess pieces being moved around. Finns decision to bail is rebellion at ground level and how true rebellions form in the first place.
barath_s ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 05:47:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke was trying to leave harvesting and get into the academy.
Instead he wound up getting into the rebellion..
Nemo_Barbarossa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:12:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But didn't he plan on joining the rebels already before the Droids arrived?
He says he doesn't like the empire at Kenobis house and isn't it implied that Biggs wants to join the rebellion as well?
tsGreenKappa ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 07:17:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
biggs did join the rebellion. biggs dies in the trench run on the first deathstar, he's luke's wingman
Nemo_Barbarossa ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:23:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I meant the Tosche Station scene. Didn't realize Biggs was already through his academy tenure.
barath_s ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 08:03:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
His main concern was to get off the farm and into the academy (vs not wanting to let down his uncle)
The bit about hating the empire was part of a response where he was saying he didn't want to get involved, he had work to do (in response to obi wan asking him to help Leia)
http://www.imsdb.com/scripts/Star-Wars-A-New-Hope.html
Biggs had talked about the rebels, but it was all just too far away. Though Luke didn't want to get drafted by Starfleet after the academy.
To go from not wanting to get involved to actively seeking and supporting the rebels, forget the academy ... that was effected by the Empire killing his family.
lith13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:30:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait...What?
barath_s ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:47:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Follow the link :
(Luke to Biggs)
lith13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:50:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel better and less confused now. Thanks :)
barath_s ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:57:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When the empire succeeded the old republic, the navy became the imperial navy aka imperial starfleet...
Tattooine is far away from the empire/rebellion (or so Luke/Biggs thought). The Academy that Luke wanted to join is actually the Imperial Academy and would train folks for careers in the space navy, the merchant fleet or exploration.
Bringing it back on topic, Luke wanting to join the Imperial Academy is hardly the same as him rebelling ...
stationhollow ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 08:29:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The First Order grabbed a portion of the Empire during its fall. The New Republic got other areas. Since then The First Order has started expanding and becoming more militaristic.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:06:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thatโs... not what happened at all
Final_Senator ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 03:48:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lando disagrees
cheeze64 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 04:46:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So does Biggs, Wedge, Han, Hobbie, Janson, and every other rebel that were at the Imperial Academy
theavengerbutton ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 05:10:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the poster was thinking in terms of seeing actually defection (or "rebelling" as they referred to it) in a movie on the big screen.
Out of that list we actually only see Wedge and Hobbie defect on screen to the rebellion, and even that premiered after TFA.
viper459 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 10:38:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
so like bodhi in rogue one?
theavengerbutton ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 11:21:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Supreme example, yes.
Mirions ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:20:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bodhi is Snoke. Confirmed.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:29:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Read the canon novel Lost Stars. About 2 kids joining the empire as cadets. Very much around the same idea of defecting/staying and an interesting perspective of the empire.. IMO best canon novel out at the moment.
GoldenGonzo ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:56:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finn isn't the first defector, or the tenth, or hundreth, or even thousandth.
ocha_94 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:39:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In other canon material it's said that half of the Rebellion's foot soldiers were defectors from the Empire. It's really the only logical explanation for the Empire losing the Galactic civil war. They were evil, the troops realized it and many swapped sides.
Moday4512 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:04:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dear God do not make this into hungergames
Theesm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:05:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This idea is great! We really need a peaceful Revolution of the first order. Snoke commands to shoot but the stormtroopers won't killhundreds of "traitors" and the regime falls
vwwally ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:08:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He could be the Teal'c of Star Wars. Sho'va.
bait_your_jailer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:20:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Han Solo was an Imperial pilot. Not sure wtf is Canon anymore but he defected to save Chewie.
atomicbunny ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:26:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The thing about all these guys is that when we meet them on screen, theyโre all already on a side (han excluded. Heโs available to the highest bidder). You meet FN2187 as heโs having his a ha moment and makes his decision to walk away. That is what stands out to me regarding his choice and why I see him as the poster boy for Resistance/Rebellion.
barath_s ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:42:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Leia was a senator.
Can't have rebels only consisting of robbers.
Luke joined the rebellion after his (adopted) parents were crisped and he got a message from a beautiful girl.
The_Goondocks ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:14:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can't say I'm a huge fan of that baton. Looks unwieldy and I feel like there's a 100% chance you'd shock yourself with it.
thejawa ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:24:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought it was the executioner's axe
notsurewhatiam ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:32:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's FN-2199
BearBryant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:32:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I prefer laser mace personally.
troyareyes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:40:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here's hoping we finally get that as a toy!
Ender_Skywalker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:47:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But that was a spear.
I_will_draw_boobs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:24:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Those are the sweet z8 riot botons. They Let you re roll if you fuck up
TalenPhillips ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:40:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
WAPPITY WAPPITY WAPPITY
MrAnder5on ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:33:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The anti-sonofabitch stick
Tilltre ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:27:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TR-8R - I see what you did there
comrade_batman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:10:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She will finish what he started.
huskiesofinternets ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:46:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TR-8R sounds like traitor.
ShadowPhoenix22 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:15:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TRAITORS!' riot baton? I thought it was a new blue lightsaber Finn has and am now thinking it's one Finn constructs.
notsurewhatiam ยท -17 points ยท Posted at 02:11:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not the correct name
DeadDay ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:18:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I call it a Tazer Stick
BuckFurke ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 02:22:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Guys, that's Oathbreaker. She got that weapon a couple seasons ago.
tehbowler ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:31:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some folks call it a sling blade.
IronHalcyon ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:20:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Z6 Riot Baton or FN-2199?
Mr_Brightside1111 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:22:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yes.
notsurewhatiam ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:23:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FN-2199
Unculturedswine55 ยท 579 points ยท Posted at 02:06:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That fight scene looked fuckin awesome
Uknight ยท 478 points ยท Posted at 02:23:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Such a cool shot!
joecb91 ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 03:34:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There were so many beautiful looking shots. Can't wait to see everything in the final movie.
SirLaxer ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 03:47:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That reflection tho
Totally_Triggered ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 04:01:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cameraman seems to have a abnormal amount of midichlorians.
mynameis_neo ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 04:12:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That joke was too forced.
exomniac ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:36:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"I may have gone too far in a few places"
IamNotFatIamChubby ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:27:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am not sure I am seeing it. Is the cameraman that thing in the middle of the forehead?
RedditBot007 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:36 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That shot was likely entirely CGI, so no, the reflection is of Finn.
IamNotFatIamChubby ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:44:26 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
that's what I thought, thanks for clearing that up for me
rockyrainy ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 04:13:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cinematography is top notch.
sharkhuh ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 03:01:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I prefer the shot where Phasma gets her staff thing out. Looked very anime-esque
NGMajora ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 05:31:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Phasma:"Heh it's been too long since I've have to go to half power...."
Finn: "Nani?.....What is this....what is this power?"
thoggins ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 11:34:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
nothing personnel, kid
Ihaveopinionstoo ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:24:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
teleports behind you Two fingers on forehead
its over kid
Uknight ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 03:02:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But you can see Finn in the reflection!
blinkhic ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:13:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I need a diorama of that yesterday!
ThisIsRyGuy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:42:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for screenshotting this!
altforther34pron ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:28:56 on October 19, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Damn, those reflections are on point
derage88 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 05:51:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Damn I hope Phasma dies, I really don't like her after reading the novel. But I think Finn will get his ass handed to him (again).
branj70 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:37:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or something will happen to end the fight, since it does look like they're in a hanger that's getting attacked.
LeakyLycanthrope ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:19:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's just something about a shot of a character drawing/unsheathing/activating a weapon that feels so right.
surfwax584 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:44:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
wonder if FN2187 wishes he had a lightsaber?
OldManPaz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:15:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"COME ON!!!"
theredditoro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:28:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It does seem very cool.
str8pipelambo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:04:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't wait
Issa_Lightbringer ยท 485 points ยท Posted at 02:09:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When sheโs not doing Sansas bitch work
[deleted] ยท 732 points ยท Posted at 02:26:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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thoriginal ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 03:03:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Prince(ess' son) Who Was Promised
BOBULANCE ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 02:57:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
SHANSHA. I LAV YOU.
drummererb ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 03:24:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
CHAOSH ISH A LADDAH
Werneyy ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 06:54:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stop it Arya.. Its getting creepy..
SmokingBun ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 08:26:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man, in a more lighthearted series they would be having so much goofy fun with that
Werneyy ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:38:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jup total xD
farmtownsuit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:32:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"My Lady, I'm a little... confused..."
NatrolleonBonaparte ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 03:25:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or cutting Jamie's food
Issa_Lightbringer ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:48:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Love the username
branj70 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 08:40:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
or trying to avenge a man who wasn't even lawfully king.
valgranaire ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:38:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
training with Arya did her good I see
Plasmus642 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:43:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
WhO tAuGhT yOu hOw To Do ThAt
261TurnerLane ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:29:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Omigod she's also in this other thing people like! I should mention it every time the actor comes up! https://media.giphy.com/media/Fjr6v88OPk7U4/giphy.gif
teegrez ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:19:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Read the mini series Marvel is doing on her right now, as well as the novel that came out for her. She literally will stop at nothing to get what she wants, and has no loyalty to anybody but herself. Super good stuff and I hope there's more of her in TLJ
spiderpigface ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:20:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yeah, I've been loving the miniseries. Great art too.
teegrez ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:34:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right? Hope that Marvel includes her in future series, especially if they don't really do much to flesh her out in the movies (which I don't think they will)
spiderpigface ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:36:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm really okay with her not doing much in the movies, as long as she's present, even in the background. Her disappearing from VII was one of the few complaints I had about that movie.
AssCrackBanditHunter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:14:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What does she want?
bsEEmsCE ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:58:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right now, to find and kill the only First Order soldier that could expose her for disabling the shields.
BigDickRichie ยท 70 points ยท Posted at 02:06:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder if thatโs the only scene that involves Phasma.
I wouldnโt be disappointed by that. She didnโt do anything in TFA to earn a more prominent role in this film.
[deleted] ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 02:17:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think that's the point, if I'm right. Phasma's bruised honor will drive her to become more prominent in TLJ as she hunts down Finn.
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 02:29:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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svenhoek86 ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 02:32:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think that was the point of her character. Like Fett when we first see him. Eye catching and makes you wonder, "Who the fuck is this and how awesome are they?" Then later they reveal not very and Phasma unceremoniously gets dumped into a pit and never heard from again.
prowness ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:50:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But did they ever explicitly show her getting dumped into the trash compactor? I thought t was just a lame joke to call out to previous films. For all we know, she could have just been bound.
Droganis ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:16:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually yes she was in it. Marvel has been making canon Star Wars comics and they are doing a 4 part issue of her, starts with her getting out of the compactor during the destruction of the base.
h00dman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:28:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Boba Fette
DannyBoy7783 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:22:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She's a beast in her novel though. Book wasn't what I expected but interesting nonetheless.
errindel ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:11:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They spent a whole book amping her up. They have to give her more.
noahconstrictor95 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 02:16:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Go read Star Wars: Phasma. It makes me think of Phasma in a completely different way. Great book.
Exile714 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:24:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Does it explain why she let down the shields, got an entire planet full of her people killed, and NOT get courts martialed or executed for cowardice?
1204Sparta ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 02:39:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah actually , she's a complete narcisstic psychopath . As soon as she gets out of the dumpster she immediately purges all records and pins the blame on another imperial which she then begins hunting.
Justice_Prince ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 02:45:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't read the book but I watched a video on it. Basically she's an opportunist with no real loyalty to the First Order. She has a history of stabbing people, and groups in the back when it serves her own purposes. When forced to chose between her on life, and the people she's working with she'll chose her own life every time.
As for why she wasn't court martialed the explanation is that no one in the First Order actually knows that it was her who dropped the shields. She's fairly good at covering her tracks, and any evidence was blown up with the base anyways. Apparently she did have to kill one First Order officer who managed to find out though.
Dung_Flungnir ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:37:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Would've been nice if they actually showed some of that in the movie instead of completely glossing over her altogether.
Justice_Prince ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:50:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hopefully this new movie will flesh her out a little more.
simjanes2k ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:01:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
at the same time though there's some boba fett obsession going on here
like DID YOU SEE HOW BADASS THAT STORMTROOPER CAPTAIN LOOKS, WTF IS THAT
codithou ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:37:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What kind of logic is that? Rey never did anything to be the star of TFA. Luke never did anything to be the main role of the OT.
?
wings31 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:15:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
id be okay with it.
Zyquux ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:27:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't believe they spoiled all of Phasma's scenes in this trailer.
Revived_Bacon ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:17:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finn V Phasma - Dawn of Space Sticks
HYPE!!!!!
myhihi1 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:07:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Glad to see Finn is still doing awesome things too.
koshyguy ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:17:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm so glad there's more of her. She is such a good choreographic actress, her fight scenes from GOT are so badass.
BearBryant ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:33:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously I don't know how you convey expression through a helmet...but holy shit Christie did a damn fine job of it on that close shot of her helmet.
Intergalactic96 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:07:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who knows. Finn might body her like its nothing. But he could just as well get KTFO
ComicCroc ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:41:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
idk, she's fighting Finn, and I wouldn't be surprised if he somehow wins.
_ilovecoffee_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:03:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Read the Phasma book and youโll know that :)
spiderpigface ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:05:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've been wanting to check out the book but I'm loving the current comic. I should say I'm glad she's not useless in the movie!
BnGamesReviews ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:14:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The book is the best they have released so far IMO. Its Mad Max meets Xena Warrior Princess meets Fallout 3/New Vegas. Seriously. Read it.
branj70 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:52:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't read it but from what I have heard from it, it did put me in mind of New Vegas. Plus I've recently started a new playthrough of NV so it's always on my mind
treein303 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:08:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I still don't understand why people were psyched about her character after Episode VII. I'm talking about before this trailer came out. She was like a plant in the background in The Force Awakens.
H0lyH4ndGrenade ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 02:20:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Her actress plays Brienne in GOT, I'm pretty sure that's where at least some of the hype comes from. She's also the first female storm trooper officer in the main story (correct me if I'm wrong) and has awesome chrome armor.
SmokingBun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:28:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Somehow I think the chick who leads INFERNO SQUAD in Battlefront II will overshadow Phasma
Giantpanda602 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:25:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People weren't hyped for her character after VII, they were hyped before. Now we're just hoping that they finally do her character some justice instead of just being a shiny setpiece.
Fftlacop ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:37:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You should read the book about her. It may give you insight into why she did what she did in the movie. She is definitely not someone I'd want to mess with.
vensamape ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:19:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shes looks cool as fuck
smith288 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:32:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Such a good shot. https://imgur.com/gallery/8M2wD
Tasteful_Dick_Pics ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:51:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Slips on rubble in the next second after that clip, knocks herself out.
chrisn3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is that Finn she's fighting? and he got another lightsaber?
PrimordialDragon ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:17:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's the stormtrooper riot baton.The one that other trooper used in the fight against Finn in TFA.
r0flhouse ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:23:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought it might have been a vibroblade...maybe not. I know nothing
TheOmniscience1993 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:17:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's the baton, like TR-8R used to fight him when he had the lightsaber.
GetEquipped ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:56:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HE IS AVENGING TR-8R'S HONOR!
branj70 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:54:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The real question is what is she using, I don't think I've ever seen that staff-thing before.
Julius-n-Caesar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:30:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought it was a riot baton but I want him to have another lightsaber.
BenjaminTalam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:37:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You don't know that. She could appear only in that scene and say "Traitor" and fight Finn and that's it!
doctahjeph ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:41:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly think when it is all said and done she switches sides.
legosexual ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:41:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People actually had doubts about that?
Crusader_Lion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:43:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not yet.
Ender_Skywalker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:48:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I felt that was kind of a given, considering the reaction to her role in TFA.
Ron-Swanson-Mustache ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:49:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
After that one hit she gave up the codes the star destroyer's shields as well as gave up on her vow to protect the Stark girls.
RD1207 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:50:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here's my favorite shot of Captain Phasma from the trailer
https://i.imgur.com/IiUxnog.jpg
eoddc5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:00:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Her current "journey to last Jedi" comic by marvel is dope! Shows some of her stuff after TFA
kinglyIII ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:13:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She's cool in the new comic series she has.
MocodeHarambe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:14:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not so fast!โ๏ธ
rikjames90 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:18:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TR8R's retirement plan unconfirmed.
saddit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:51:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also Luke has dialog confirmed!
Variability ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:01:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Flashback to training, one scene. You never see her do anything else besides walking.
cgo_12345 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:15:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Star Wars is all about the redemption arcs after all.
cabbage_peddler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:28:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, it is possible that they made more than one shiny chrome storm trooper uniform.
banethesithari ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:43:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well we haven't seen her fight him yet, hopefully she annhiliates finn
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:04:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hopefully sheโs more of a character this time around.
Also, hey future me! ๐
English_Baggie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:37:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here is what i think (would like) to Happen:
Kylo Kills Leia, Luke stops training Rey when he sees how powerful she can be fearing he will have Kylo mark 2 on his hands, Snoke sense this and offers Rey the answers she wants, Kylo seeing what is happening and losing his number 1 spot goes to Luke for redemption, Luke refuses, so Kylo goes it alone to save Rey as he has seen the path she is taking first hand, stops her before she goes full Evil, Luke sacrifices himself to save them both. Then in Episode 9 they team to take down the first order, falling in love, have a child, and the Skywalker saga can continue with the child.
Unglossed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:35:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have a feeling this is going to be an epic battle to make up for her awful role in TFA. They have a lot of making up to do. Can't think of any other character since Boba Fett that looks so absolutely bad ass.
Metroidman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:45:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well till she is taken out by Finn in less than 20 seconds
AnalDetention ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:54:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Im almost done with the phasma book, and its just made me think about her in the last movie. It would be nice to see more of her bad ass side rather than how submissive she was when han and nutsac got the drop on her. Granted not much else you can do with a blaster in your face.
Thedarknight1611 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:12:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Empire strikes back remake
Goofypoops ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:40:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They'd never waste such a merch potential like captain phasma. Come on, chrome storm trooper? Clearly meant to sell toys.
Puddin514 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:34:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Idk. She's fighting a janitor.
odst94 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:20:09 on January 12, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sooo.... How do you feel about the way they used her? She was even more useless in 8 than 7 hahaha
jorgelucasds ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:09:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She's Rey's mother
[deleted] ยท 3633 points ยท Posted at 02:01:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"This is not going to go the way you think."
I hope you're telling the truth, Luke.
Sidenote, I bet that last line was what Mark and Rian didn't want everyone to hear.
Forever_Man ยท 932 points ยท Posted at 02:17:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm seriously warming up to the idea of paranoid Luke!
Craftjunkie ยท 1380 points ยท Posted at 03:01:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, why SHOULD'NT he be paranoid? His father is the poster boy of corrupted potential, his nephew murdered all his pupils with his power. I'm surprised Luke doesn't scare Rey off by waving his arms about like Old Ben Kenobi scaring off
jawas> Tuskan raidersImAOneTrackLover ยท 836 points ยท Posted at 04:11:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke is a man who learns from mistakes. If he scared Rey away like that she would just come back in greater numbers.
itsakidsbooksantiago ยท 220 points ยท Posted at 05:19:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Single file, of course.
howlingchief ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 06:34:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To hide her numbers.
Dekar2401 ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 08:07:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Many Daisy Ridleys? Please Luke, scare her senseless.
the2belo ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 08:56:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Star Wars Episode IX: Attack of the Rey Clones
theluggagekerbin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:51:25 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
newfoundslander ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:24:15 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Driving Miss Daisy (away).
CrispyOats93 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:43:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Accurate.
cabinfervor ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 10:52:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hold on a minute, why the fuck were the sand people so afraid of a guy waving his arms around with a hood over his head? I love the OT but God damn
Craftjunkie ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:58:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its the sound of a natural predator in the area that he was mimicking, so the the sand folks shit the bed when the heard it.
solepsis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:46:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They probably know he's a crazy old wizard
jtr99 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:49:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Serious answer: I thought it was cause of the freaky noises he was making? Plus maybe some force-induced fear?
totally_professional ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:00:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's the funniest mental image I've had all day, thank you.
HallersHell ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 04:23:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tuskan Raiders* :-)
Jorymo ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 05:03:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
*Tusken Raiders
Craftjunkie ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:07:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tuscan pizzars
PORTMANTEAU-BOT ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:07:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tuscars.
Bleep-bloop, I'm a bot. This portmanteau was created from the phrase 'Tuscan pizzars'.
jesus_sold_weed ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:45:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thatโs what my girlfriend does when the cats sneak down the staircase to the front door.
adog231231 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:02:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do they say that Kylo killed all the pupils?
Dough-gy_whisperer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:57:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Relevant: https://youtu.be/SKDDJUArjaE
maxxspeedahead ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:27:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow! now i really want to see Luke do this, in the extended cut, perhaps?
BryceGladwin1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The same blood flows through my veins, the same weakness!
BuckeyeEmpire ยท 152 points ยท Posted at 02:23:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I keep thinking he's Flynn from Tron Legacy.
00uigi ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 04:16:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So much wasted potential with that series. One of my favorites
RogueLieutenant ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 05:14:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tron Legacy is one of my favorite movies. And Tron Uprising was a masterpiece...
J-Debstup ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:04:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They should make a sequel with Daft Punk back. Call it "Tron: Rebooted" or something.
FourthOf5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:21:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Another Uprising fan! There are literally dozens of us.
RogueLieutenant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:03:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
that show is seriously a 9/10. It loses a point for the fact that the character models are like 90% legs. but you get over that.
I'm still bummed they cancelled it. I'd take more Uprising over more Clone Wars any day.
Roboticide ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:07:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought Legacy was pretty damn solid. Not the best movie ever, but it's criminal it didn't get the sequel it deserved.
ChivalrousBasterd ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:19:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, it did what Tron does and fell into obscurity. Don't worry though. By my calculations we'll get the third film around 2038 or so.
Roboticide ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:26:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh good, then Quorra and Sam's kid can discover The Grid after Sam gets stuck in it or something.
ChivalrousBasterd ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:30:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Precisely. On the real though, I really wanted to see a sequel to explore Quorra in the real world and maybe explain exactly how she exists physically. Oh well, maybe in 21 years they'll skim over it in a brief scene so I can have some answers.
Roboticide ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:46:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, personally I don't want them to explore too much. Problem is if you think about the details like that too much, it really sorta falls apart. You sorta get into the problem that Flynn's greatest invention wasn't The Grid or that he developed a method of converting matter into computer code, let alone keeping a human intelligence intact (which is insane), it's that the process can work in reverse.
Flynn's computer is powerful enough that it not only managed to spontaneously generate AI, but his laser system is powerful enough to convert energy (back) into matter. Sam wasn't just digitized and stored, he was straight up disintegrated, essentially, and then probably built entirely new, since Quorra had no original body.
Let's not also forget that CLU was convinced this system was powerful enough to materialize his entire battleship.
Flynn might have been a genius but this is like the equivalent of Bill Gates dying and then we discover he built an entire, fully functional base on Mars, and a teleportation portal to get to it. He never mentions any of this because he thought his greatest invention was the Windows OS, which of course the entire base runs on.
Ball-Blam-Burglerber ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 04:35:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, thatโs just like... your opinion, man!
cabinfervor ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:53:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or Flynn from Breaking Bad
mfkp ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:54:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Force abides.
the_jak ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:52:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FlynnLives
RatchetBro ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 02:40:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I still feels like Luke, which is a huge relief.
Forever_Man ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 02:43:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It totally makes sense with the info we've been given. Hopefully, we still get to see some bad ass feats of force strength
scratch151 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 03:04:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno, it kinda feels like he might actually be weaker than Anakin, Kylo, and Rey.
[deleted] ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 03:16:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I always took it that Luke's force powers were not important. He was the center of 'obvious morality' and balance between emotion and thought. He didn't take down the Empire because he could make shinier lightning. That's not what Luke's character is about - in contrast to Anakin, who's character was literally about a fucking power level.
Forever_Man ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:59:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Look is basically in the Yoda phase now. Yoda initially didn't look like much, and neither does Luke (physically). I suspect that Luke might surprise us.
MeatTornado25 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 04:14:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think it has anything to do with physical appearance. We've seen how capable old men in this universe are (yoda, palpy, dooku). He just seems weak because he's running scared from some kids that might have the potential to be stronger.
DoDoDoTheFunkyGibbon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:06:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Beard power.
Thor_2099 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:37:26 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
His nephew corrupted, fucked up his temple, killed his friend. Kinda makes sense he doesn't want to rush out, be seen as some kind of savior and kill his sisters son.
Upintheair84 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 04:58:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know the idea of paranoid Luke makes sense but it's such a sad ending for this character. To lose his father, his best friend, his sister, his whole family to the Sith then become an old senile hermit in old age. It's just too sad of an ending for the hero of the original trilogy.
philo_fortuna ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:06:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's the thing with all the Skywalker family. Something like 100 years of solitude.
RidlyX ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:20:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke has always been willing to take responsibility for his actions. He is struggling now, because he feels he must take responsibility for the actions of Kylo and Rey. He's scared, because he realizes that Obi-Wan and Yoda taught him wisdom and perseverance, but that he doesn't know how to teach what he has always had inside of him: goodness and temperance
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:19:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love it.
Nerdinator2029 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 05:28:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love how he's gone from the farm boy stuck in the middle of nowhere who just wants to get away... to a paranoid hermit who's seen and done it all and just wants the universe to leave him alone.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:51:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Woke Skywalker
ThePopeShitsInHisHat ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:15:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Still feeling lukewarm about it myself.
ChivalrousBasterd ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:28:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is a very realistic Luke, if anything. Given what the character has gone through, this appears to be excellent character development. Part of me wanted a wise and calm Luke but I really dig the humanity that's showing through. Dude had hardly any screen time in this trailer and he floored me.
Griddamus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:59:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's sounded more and more like a crazy person. He must have some serious ptsd.
0x8086 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:31:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I personally think Luke has become more morally gray. It seems Luke's goal is to eradicate the teachings of the force/Jedi, because the power is too much to be used for good.
pallasathena2006 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:07:34 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man, Mark Hammil's acting is so good in this trailer, if we get crazy Luke it would be awesome.
whiskey-monk ยท 900 points ยท Posted at 02:06:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol I hope it's the filmmakers talking to the fans. "The trailer is a red herring! No worries"
...I hope ๐ถ
CaptainKyloStark ยท 319 points ยท Posted at 02:19:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
red logo = red herring
snoke is luke confirmed
whiskey-monk ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 02:23:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
dundundun!
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:17:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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for_the_revolution ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 03:21:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snoke is a belly button?
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:22:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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for_the_revolution ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:30:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It all makes sense now
CaptainKyloStark ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:37:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's like poetry
ark_keeper ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:04:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Robot clone Luke on the island.
emberaith ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:23:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You jest but the levels of fan speculation will make this a real thing.
cabinfervor ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:53:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Red arm=red herring
It all falls into place
CaptainKyloStark ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:35:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't even recognize them...
Aeon_Mortuum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:36:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Red = left ideology.
Snoke is a communist confirmed
Highest_Koality ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:48:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't see Red Herring anywhere in that trailer.
Dannnnny ยท 150 points ยท Posted at 02:26:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You hope what? Even if this trailer was a direct outline of the plot for the last Jedi (which it almost certainly is not) would that be so bad? There was so much tension created in the trailer and so much deep interpersonal stuff going on between new and old characters, it looked amazing regardless.
luxitania ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:41:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Based on the way we were led to believe Finn was THE Jedi this time in 2015 I would say itโs anything goes. I hope itโs not a direct outline but itโs also pretty much impossible to say for sure at this point.
Dannnnny ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:45:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
With a franchise of this magnitude it's almost a guarantee they are putting red herrings into the trailer to throw people off, they've invested millions in making sure people have the shock factor of "luke, I am your father" within the new trilogy.
skasquatch118 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 04:53:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Funny story. Vader misquoted on that one all the time.
He says 'no, I am your father'
I read somewhere it has something to do with Nelson Mandela
garrisonjenner2016 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:57:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In the Berenstein Universe, Nelson Mandela voiced Vader when he had the mask on.
Dannnnny ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:01:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, In direct quotation you are 100% correct but in pop culture it will always be remembered the other (wrong) way. I was just speaking about the shock factor I know they are going for because it was a central tenet of what made the O.T. so popular.
blockpro156 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 11:19:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course I would have to wait and see, but based on the previous movie, I just don't see how Rey turning to the dark side would make sense, so yes it would be bad.
She never displayed a lust for power, any disproportionate anger, and she ran away after her first glance at the dark side!
She wasn't even that excited about becoming a Jedi or going on adventures, she just wanted to stay on Jakku.
I just don't see how they could turn all of that around over the course of a single movie, in a satisfying and believable way.
She could be mad at Luke for turning her away, but another character turning to the dark side because of a dumb temper tantrum would really piss me off.
Which is why I was happy with Kylo Ren, finally a character who truly chooses to be evil, who truly wants to join the dark side, and truly believes in it.
But the trailer kind of implies that that will change too, which would also be disappointing IMO.
PonyFan84 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:28:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldnt see it as a dumb temper tantrum. After failing to help Kylo become a jedi, and him turn dark and destroying everything Luke has worked for. Luke refuses to train Rey when he realizes she has that same potential. Rey, now that she has felt the raw power she has, just wants help understanding it. Because Luke refuses to train her, she only has one other resource. So its not her going dark because Luke rejects her. She "goes dark" only because the only person willing to train her happens to be on the dark side
blockpro156 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:18:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What would be her motive for training, if she no longer opposes the First Order & the dark side?
PonyFan84 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:23:14 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At the end of Force Awakens, she felt the power she could wield through the force. Wouldn't be unthinkable if from there, she just wants to develop that ability. She grew up as a junker, wasnt really involved with the First Order or Dark Side for most of her life.
Thor_2099 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:41:37 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only thing I could see is that Luke lies to her about her parentage, kylo knows and reveals it to her at which point she learns Luke is her dad, abandoned her, lied to her, force wiped her memory, and in that moment she succumbs enough to the dark side for it to take hold and be tempted to join kylo or snoke .
goalieca ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:03:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
spoilers though!
Dannnnny ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 05:14:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Too many people behind this machine of a franchise to spoil anything important for the fans, the only part I would consider a spoiler is kylo putting his sights on leia, but sadly we all knew she had to go, so they didn't mind alluding as to how it would happen.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:29:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sir, the possibility of Rian Johnson killing off Carrie Fisher's beloved role, via her own son, is approximately three thousand, seven hundred twenty to one!ย
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:37:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Stubbledorange ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 02:55:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Downvote him, then watch the number as you upvote him. It gives you the feeling you have 2.
LegoPercyJ ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:29:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
!redditsilver
RedditSilverRobot ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:29:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here's your Reddit Silver, Stubbledorange!
/u/Stubbledorange has received silver 1 time. (given by /u/LegoPercyJ) info
AppleSmoker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:53:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
fuck yeah, dude
AnalogDan ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:50:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dannnnny ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 03:01:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are haters and there are true fans, I have loved all 7 episodes and I know I'll love this as well, save your bitching until the film actually comes out, but spoiler, real fans still won't give a shit about your opinion.
Oath_Break3r ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:01:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can dislike something and still be a real fan. I dislike the PT but love Star Wars overall, for example
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 03:04:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dannnnny ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 03:12:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Deep.
UntarnishedCopper ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:05:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're allowed to disagree with the way the series has been handled and still be a fan.
Dannnnny ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 03:11:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can bitch and complain or you can enjoy the ride, your choice.
UntarnishedCopper ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:15:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because criticism, or even just negative opinions, can't be tolerated? That's a rather absolute way of looking at something.
EagleBigMac ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:21:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only Sith deal in absolutes
Dannnnny ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 03:25:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just get tired of the whiney original trilogy fanboys who only got into the series during the 90's re- release, acting like nothing lives up to their expectations. It's a good trailer and I'm excited to see the film.
AnalogDan ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:02:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dannnnny ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 03:14:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I asked in a facetious manner which was explained by the parentheses. If you cant grasp subtext and the intended meaning of my sentence then the art of conversation is a little lost on you.
AnalogDan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:16:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dannnnny ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:27:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You have a knack for quotation with very little to add afterwards.
whiskey-monk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:04:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't it look awesome!? Oh my god
I'm gonna try to refrain from speculating and theorizing. Till I probably watch the reaction video from Emergency Awesome and all that.
But you make a good point
Lieutenant_Meeper ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:49:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is the double fake out: we are given a deliberate fake out in the trailer, and Rian takes to Twitter with the whole "go in clean" line in order to make us think that it's a spoiler, but he knows we're too smart for that and will think it's a fake out, when really it's not a fake out.
jtr99 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:47:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A fake-out within a fake-out within a fake-out? Luke is Muad'Dib confirmed.
Fakayana ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:46:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If the filmmakers really intend the trailer to be a red herring, they wouldn't tell us though right? ๐ค If so then we're just going to assume the opposite of what the trailer showed.
whiskey-monk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:05:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But what if they were expecting us to think it was a red herring so it really IS the truth?
Unless they knew that we'd know that they'd know...
Ouch, owie, my head
Poc4e ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:30:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
*bones
0x8086 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:35:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably, I remember their are some shots in the Rogue One trailer that are very different from the film (such as the tie fighter confronting Jyn on Scarif) this could either be from the reshoots, or intentional misdirection.
tape_leg ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 02:40:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rian was not telling people to avoid the trailer
https://twitter.com/rianjohnson/status/917524490774487040
patron_vectras ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:53:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good cause I was about to be angry at myself for forgetting to not watch the trailer.
abductodude ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 02:17:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It looks like Luke may have been attacked in that cave when he says "this is not going to go the way you think" since he is on the ground and looks to be in pain. Earlier in the trailer you see Rey and Luke in an area that looks to be the same and she looks like she's taking a kind of battle stance. So I am not entirely sure what's happening here.
marksizzle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:00:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting thought!
yomerol ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:10:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So who had the high ground?
PS I'm started to get convinced that Rey is going to the dark side, and Kylo will put a tantrum because now shell be Snoke's favorite... and of course, to balance the force
gyutop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:03:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Force vision? Like Luke's of him as Vader?
NickMoore30 ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 02:16:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
...who is he speaking to and what's the gravity of that statement? Seems kind of like a hollow line to me, like filler.
[deleted] ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 02:19:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think he's talking to Rey. It could be a thematic repeat of Luke leaving Dagobah at the end of Empire.
jb2386 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:34:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought he was talking to Leia.
collinch ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 02:31:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think he's talking to Kylo during the attack on the temple, from before TFA. He looks different than we've seen him on the island.
JediAssasin ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:52:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can only hope its Luke speaking to Kylo before Luke demolishes his punk ass in a dope lightsaber duel. Basically โ donโt do it, you wonโt winโ.
jd1ms4 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:02:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't try it, Kylo.
rhinguin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:33:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You underestimate my power!
Thor_2099 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:44:06 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That makes sense. Luke saw Vader and Palpatine fail and knows kylo and snoke will too
DDRDiesel ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:34:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Throwing this out there: I watch TV with captions, and that came through as "This is not going to go well" followed by "the way you think!" Good chance those are two lines spliced together for the trailer
mjcart03 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:17:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Love how meta that line was.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:18:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They know what we want.
Tuna_Rage ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:28:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Look at the background behind Rey vs Kylo... clearly pasted two different shots together to make it look like something it's not. Guarantee Rey is talking to Luke during that "find my place in all this" line. Who knows about Kylo though.
dfrtyfiver ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:27:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My guess is he's warning Rey because she goes to confront Kylo Ren before her training is finished. Sound familiar? This is when she gets tempted to turn to the darkside by Snoke. Sound familiar?
Reggae4Triceratops ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:23:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That reminded of the scene on Dagobah when Yoda and Obiwan are trying to dissuade Luke from going to Bespin....
CptKirk2063 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:12:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really hope he may be speaking to Kylo at that point
dfrtyfiver ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:31:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kyle confirmed.
CptKirk2063 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:33:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol thanks auto correct
davidplusworld ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:54:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rian Johnson has confirmed that the "don't watch the trailer" thing was fake news (and of course every single news website has republished before checking the sources, because clickbait is more important than facts nowadays)
Ralph-Hinkley ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:48:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The second of the trilogy is always the darkest.
GoTomArrow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:14:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People don't seem to realize that when cutting a trailer, you can take statements completely out of context.
Basically, the same way media does it.
Slightlylyons1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:49:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I walked out of TFA saying I hope they do the half insane kung-fu master thing with Luke.
So far not disapointed.
Cruciblelfg123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:29:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like that's a flashback to kylo coming after Luke and the student Jedis
CeruleanRuin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:34:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke is going to act all reticent throughout and then sweep in with a change of heart like Han Solo at the end.
Cameron-Ohara ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:45:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
that line was awesome. best part of the trailer. Luke is giving me the feels!
Wedley131 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:23:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think they didn't want everyone to see the shot of Snoke force choking Rey (you see his yellow cloak in the background).
red2lucas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:29:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think that whole thing was a misdirection. As if people wonโt watch it.
NihiloZero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:21:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's because Luke is the primary antagonist. He's the big bad who was in control of everything that transpired in Episode VII.
Azmek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:01:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So with "This will begin to make things right" and now this, are we going to get one meta-line directed at the audience per film now?
Balmoral92 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:17:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke has gone meta.
the2belo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:49:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"What do you know about pressure, Skywalker?"
"Well I have kissed my sister!"
NewVegasResident ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:30:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man didn't Mark tweet or say he wasn't a fan of the new movie ? I'm scared.
EmceeDLT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:33:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
โThereโs two sides to every Schwartz.โ -Luke
TheyKilledFlipyap ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:44:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He said he's torn on the subject, because if you want to go in "clean" knowing absolutely nothing, avoid it.
But he's since reversed his position on this, and encouraged everyone to watch it.
justvicius ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:17:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure he's talking to Rey there, not Kylo. I feel like their master/pupil relationship doesn't really work out, and so Rey goes to learn from Kylo.
MileHighHoosier ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:20:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At this point, I THINK things are going to go Tarintino-level bad at the end of this movie.
hulkulesenstein ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Does Luke look beaten/defeated there? They wouldn't off him....would they?
ShadowPhoenix22 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:18:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I felt like Luke was directing that at Snoke, but it could easily be a flashback to Luke directing that at Phasma or Ben, at the Jedi Temple destruction.
Luke remembering the fall of the Empire, or how things went for his Dad.
iWogfather ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:58:28 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Look at this scene, and go back and watch TFA when Rey has her flashback. The whole โThis is not going to go the way you think." is being said definitely to Kylo and/or the Knights of Ren when they are attacking the Jedi Academy. It is raining down in both shots from TFA and the trailer respectively. Let me know what you guys think :)
haloryder ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:07:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AWW MAN I FORGOT THEY SAID THERE WAS GOIJG TO BE SPOILERS IN THE MEDIA FOR THIS MOVIE. IVE BEEN AVOIDING STUFF BECAUSE OF THAT BUT I SAW THE TRAILER. NOOOOOOOOO
I_AM_A_MOTH_AMA ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 02:17:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rian didn't say there were spoilers, he said if you want to go in 100% clean, don't watch it, not that it spoils.
WhatTheFhtagn ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:25:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I men, you could say that about any trailer for a movie.
I_AM_A_MOTH_AMA ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:25:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, lately there have been some downright revealing trailers though.
smatdesa ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:31:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like showing Doomsday in BvS trailer... if they didnt show him.. it might have been slightly better..... but nooooo...
I_AM_A_MOTH_AMA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:42:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's the one I was thinking of.
ShredLobster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:28:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What atrocious writing on that line from Luke though.....can't believe that slipped through into production.
Richard-Cheese ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:52:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's all about delivery, I think he nailed that line
ShredLobster ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:57:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the delivery was fine but disagree that delivery alone can control the quality of a line.
Exhibit A, "I don't like sand, it's coarse and rough and irritating, and it gets everywhere"
I mean seriously? Not only is the entire premise of that line stupid but THREE uses of "and"? Awful. Daniel Day Lewis or Anthony Hopkins couldn't have saved that.
Richard-Cheese ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:29:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good point, I just didn't feel it was bad writing due to Mark's delivery in this case.
ShredLobster ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:45:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like I said, I think his delivery was as good as it could be. You're obviously entitled to your own opinion of the line, I'm seriously glad you enjoyed it!
Bombboy85 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:14:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hopefully because after the first one I really feel like they are basically recycling the original trilogy story. While that's what it made it popular originally, that would be weak and boring
swz ยท 2934 points ยท Posted at 02:01:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylos TIE tho....
cmath89 ยท 1228 points ยท Posted at 02:08:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs so badass. And that shot of his shuttle hovering over the AT-ATs. Iโd like a screen grab of that please.
rocketpastsix ยท 823 points ยท Posted at 02:18:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
here ya go
https://imgur.com/a/V4ckc
Codex_of_Wisdom ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 03:02:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love how, about a quarter of the way from the right, you can see an old-style AT-AT amongst the AT-M6s.
1Darkest_Knight1 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 04:34:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
is that like a legit name? They look so big compared to the AT-AT
Ecko09 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 10:43:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think so.
All terrain, mega caliber 6 or something like that.
Roboticide ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:18:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Name sounds kinda stupid.
I'd have just gone with Model 6 or Mark 6 or something.
"Mega Caliber 6" sounds like something out of a shitty anime and/or 10 year olds trying to outdo each other.
Looks fucking awesome though. I love that the First Order continues to just go "We'll build it bigger."
Miennai ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:16:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That might justvbe because "mega" is a legitimate prefix which has come to sound casual and layman by common usage. Similarly, "supermassive" is a genuine scientific term, but it might kind of lazy and unscientific the first time you hear it.
Hannay39 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:01 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean in all fairness there are legit real life tanks with names that include prefixes such as 'super', 'mega' and such. There is even an american tank called the "T26E4 SuperPershing". Besides kilo, mega, giga and all those are in respect to the size/amount of something. i.e, a gigabyte is 106 bytes so 'mega caliber 6' is likely on about the size of caliber the guns they are carrying
Roboticide ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:19:11 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're mixing and matching. "Super" is a generic term for an upgrade. The M26 Pershing was an established tank and the T26E4 is just an up-gunned version. An upgrade, and "super" denotes that. Or in the case of the B-29 Superfortress, is following the trend from the B-17 Flying Fortress, which actually parallels Star Destroyers and Super Star Destroyers pretty well. SSDs are 'enhanced' Star Destroyers. But its still rather generic - you don't know the specs, but you know a Super Star Destroyer is better than a Star Destroyer and that a SuperPershing is better than a Pershing.
But like you said, "mega" has an actual specific meaning. Problem is, so does "caliber". "Caliber" denotes the diameter of the barrel. A 50 caliber machine gun has a barrel that is specifically .50" across. So "Caliber 6" means a barrel of 6... something in diameter. Inches? Seems unlikely.
"Mega" on the other hand specifically means a factor of 1,000,000. So "Mega Caliber 6" would literally mean "a gun barrel diameter of 6,000,000 <something>." It just doesn't make sense on multiple levels.
Calling them "Super AT-ATs," "AT-SAT's" or even "AT-M6" for "Armored Transport, Mega 6" would make more sense than using two essentially conflicting units of measure just because it sounds cool. You know what also sounds cool? Turbogallons. My pool holds 1,000 turbogallons of water. And earlier this week, I went for a jog and ran 5 gigainches. Awesome right?
In all fairness, if Star Wars is going to use real-world units, they need to at least make sure they make sense.
Hannay39 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:34:04 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Listen, its a fantasy film. If this sort of stuff upsets you on such deep emotional levels.. then no reason the world is fucked
Roboticide ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:29:08 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't upset me, but I figured if you were going to go all technical and bring up WWII era tanks as an example, I could bring up the actual meaning of the words and it'd all be good.
You know you can have an in depth, nerdy conversation about a fictional world without going all "this is SRS BUSNISS" right?
Codex_of_Wisdom ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:19:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. All-Terrain-Megacalibur-6. Named for the Megacalibur-6 guns on their backs. Horrible name.
1Darkest_Knight1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:04:18 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AT-M6 is alright, but All-Terrain-Megacalibur-6 is a terrible name. I feel like they really wanted it to be AT-M6 and then fitted the rest.
Codex_of_Wisdom ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:33:12 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It seems to be a running thing with the movie, though. We also have the Mega class star destroyer. What's with the word Mega?
Bseagully ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:06:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They look like AT-AT Elites, if wookiepedia is anything to go by.
Ihaveopinionstoo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:40:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
dawwww you can see how small it is compared to the new ones.
Codex_of_Wisdom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:19:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Wait for me! I'm coming, too!"
ValyrianSteelYoGirl ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:46:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've got little legs!
BurningPickle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:53:35 on October 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, that really puts into perspective how massive the new walkers are.
Codex_of_Wisdom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:12:57 on October 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The two themes of the First Order:
Make things bigger
Name them Mega
notthathungryhippo ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 03:21:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
giffed! https://imgur.com/jjvLTkr
mjcart03 ยท 153 points ยท Posted at 02:20:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really dislike the new AT-AT designs. They look cartoonishly evil.
benkenobi5 ยท 141 points ยท Posted at 02:26:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
might have gone overboard with the "look intimidating" thing, but they might grow on me. they sort of remind me of gorillas.
[deleted] ยท 154 points ยท Posted at 02:42:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My fanwank theory is that the First Order is mostly made up of the tryhard sons and daughters of imperial officers (eg, Hux). So they try to make their stuff look as intimidating and "evil" as possible.
char_limit_reached ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 03:25:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So... Hitler in 38 then?
WhoTookPlasticJesus ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 03:35:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, their uniforms don't not look like they were designed by Hugo Boss.
an_internet_denizen ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 05:15:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Make the Empire Great Again
meinator ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 06:42:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Empire was never great to begin with. IT was AWESOME!
Roboticide ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:20:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"M.E.G.A."
It works better than "MAGA"
Banana_Rampage_95 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:26:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Theyre making everything bigly
Akuze25 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 14:14:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not even a theory, that's straight-up true. Hux was heavily abused and brainwashed from birth by his dad, and to get back at him he's basically made it his life goal to out-evil his dad since being evil was the only thing his dad ever cared about.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:01:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, is that in Aftermath or something? I remember Abrams or Kennedy saying that the First Order were like Neo-Nazis who grew up in Argentina hearing stories about the Third Reich, but I didn't know there was any cannon material about it.
Akuze25 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:13:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Argentinian Nazi comparison is pretty succinct actually.
What I'm referring to is in fact from the Aftermath trilogy, the Phasma novel, and I think a bit from Bloodline if I remember right.
Essentially the First Order is made up of leaders that were brainwashed as kids by the most extreme of the remains of the Empire's leadership. Until shortly before TFA they practiced extreme isolationism and power-building in the Unknown Regions of the galaxy, using the Empire as a template for everything they did, but turned up to 11. They're basically a fanatical military cult with a sprinkling of religious zealotry.
PormanNowell ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:31:03 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man I only read Before Awakening out of the new books so far but looks like I'll have to give some other new books a try
kurisu7885 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:11:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It wouldn't surprise me if the First Order decided part of why the Empire lost was that they weren't intimidating enough. Still looking forward to the Lego set.
Synicull ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 02:30:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, the gorilla thing was a nice 'oooh interesting change!' but I'm not completely swayed on it. I'm leaning towards enjoying the more mindless stiff-legged AT-ATs.
ChieftaiNZ ยท 87 points ยท Posted at 02:48:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lucky they are both there then. 4 gorilla AT-At's down the screenshot and you see what appears to be a normal AT-AT. Which means.
Jesus Christ the Gorilla AT-AT's are huuugggeee!
greyjackal ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 02:52:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus, good spot, I missed that. Whoa...
This_was_hard_to_do ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 04:51:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First Order's design philosophy so far seems to be pretty simple: Make everything bigger!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:40:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It worked last time, right?
Murderous_squirrel ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 03:25:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh my fucking god wtf.
WhoTookPlasticJesus ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 03:37:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's a really nice touch to show the way the First Order is changing.
1Darkest_Knight1 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 04:31:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
DUDE nice spot. They are crazy big.
shortround10 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 04:11:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What in the actual fuck
livin4donuts ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 06:02:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah and holy shit look at the giant fucking dorsal cannon on the big ones. You could land an x-wing in that thing.
wisdumcube ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:48:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So Disney is continuing the tradition of just enlarging the same threats from the original movies to make it "better".
Kyizen ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:24:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No...the First Order is
BenjiTheWalrus ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 03:20:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They look like if cylons made AT-ATs
Forgotten_Lie ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:35:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They look like they'll use their legs to climb the cliffs.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:02:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the serrations are there to cut cables.
kurisu7885 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:13:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wouldn't surprise me. Odds are Hoth wasn't the only time that particular maneuver was used.
CaptainSnatchbuckler ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:36:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought they were called gorilla walkers no?
theavengerbutton ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 05:16:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No.
Though that's how people will probably refer to them now.
It kind of reminds me of the whole "chicken walker" thing with AT-STs.
Or how people say "At ats" instead of saying "ae tee ae tees". Or just Imperial walkers.
MurderousPaper ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:53:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's what they were inspired by.
benkenobi5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:09:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
for real? that's pretty cool!
MurderousPaper ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 05:36:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
IIRC, the designer said he was literally looking at pictures of gorillas in motion when drawing up the preliminary designs for those walkers.
ravens52 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:12:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They are called gorilla walkers or something like that.
simjanes2k ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 03:03:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yeah the red eyes are a bit much
they were already massive weapon-bristling death tanks on a colossal scale, just let them be badass
dkac ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:29:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm going to assume that those red eyes are some sort of heat- or light-reflecting material, because we really don't need any more ham-fisted reminders that the Empire is evil.
jtr99 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:54:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's treason, then.
kurisu7885 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:14:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or to have extra view ports if they need them
rocketpastsix ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:20:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
meh, I feel like they are planet adapted or something. But we will see.
Pidgey_OP ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 03:40:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They look like they're adapted to stand up and climbed those cliffs in the right of the shot
rocketpastsix ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:51:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Now that would be a great twist
Drzhivago138 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 05:04:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And a nice callback to the vertical battle in the CW movie.
Nozto ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 08:39:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anti high-ground ATATs?
kurisu7885 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:15:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone else said that the leg design might be to prevent entanglement.
Espequair ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:56:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
On the other hand, consider why they might want to use those walker for, if it's for pacification or counter-insurgency, they might want to have their weapons as intimidating as possible, Similarly to hannibal and his war elephants. You're a farmer on a planet way out in the boonies and you consider joining the rebellion? Here are some guargantuesque machines with glowing red eyes.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:56:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which I appreciate. But take a look at the "eyes." That's pretty ridiculous. I think it's a shitty design.
Charlzalan ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:38:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I kind of agree, but it's not so strange that they would want to make their weapons look scary and intimidating.
AmalgamSnow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:14:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think they're pretty cool.
grandpagangbang ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:14:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, they look like Decepticons
NightmareWarden ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:44:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or Zoids.
sconnolly88 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:49:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Upvote for zoids
wisdumcube ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 05:39:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't like how they have angry red eyes. So dumb and on the nose. The originals are so intimidating because they were just giant, slapped-together, unnatural hulking monstrosities: a testament to the empire's design philosophy of form over function to strike fear into the opposition. Death star is the same way. These are cleaned up, edgy deviant art bullshit.
lunchtimereader ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:58:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But so does the original, isnt it the light from the cockpit?
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/1/16/AT-AT_2_Fathead.png/revision/latest?cb=20161108042721
wisdumcube ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 09:08:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They didn't look like eyes, though. It was a cockpit. At best they looked like a quadruped cyclops, but it was very ambiguous. This was an intentional design choice. The original Empire aesthetic heavily emphasized abstract geometric shapes. The star destroyers are giant triangles, the death star is planet sized sphere, tie fighters have hexagonal wings, windows are octagons, etc.
taulover ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 06:35:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The original AT-ATs look cartoonishly evil too, we just got used to them.
AdagioBoognish ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:50:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think their shin guards are adorable.
Kyizen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:25:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's almost like one of the First Order engineers watched footage of the Battle of Hoth and was like shit we need to stop someone from just wrapping a rope around our walkers this time...
kurisu7885 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:22:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It probably happened way more often than no Hoth.
Kyizen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:53:52 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup I feel it's like the end of Independence Day where they go spread the word...We know how to beat them!
Deepseat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:07:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, they went a little overboard. I feel like Star Wara vehicles, while pure fiction, have always had a sort of grounded "realistic"ish base that says, "ok, we all know this tech doesn't exist, but in a world where it did, this is what weapons of war might look like". With real world firearms, vehicles and weapons, there's a saying that the perfect one doesn't exist. There's always a compromise and vulnerability somewhere. The AT-M6 seems to cross this line IMO. I swear if these things can fly, I'll walk out.
Odesit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:49:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They look like those robot things in Power Rangers with those "eyes"
MikeOfAllPeople ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:09:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Welcome to Star Wars.
Get_Rad_Bro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:46:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They remind me of cylons
Mito20 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:37:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So does everything evil in the Star Wars universe.
FlyingGringo ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 02:55:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
talk about gorilla warfare huh
rocketpastsix ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:56:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
what I didnt realize is that there are two types of walkers in this pic.
ark_keeper ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:55:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bionicle AT-AT mashup
Toolindaris ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:08:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the head is spot on
PormanNowell ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:41:30 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do they have Bionicle style star wars figures? Because if not, that's a pretty fantastic idea
superharek ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 09:06:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh fuck, First Order found cylons.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:19:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck yeah! I yelled when I saw it just hovering like that
likaMDKBosS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:28:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And that's my new desktop background, thank you
rocketpastsix ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:33:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
youre welcome.
Grumpy_Fap ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:07:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Am I fkn high, or do those AT-AT heads look like a bionicle...
dkac ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:44:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can you photoshop a British accent onto the lead AT-AT so we really know how evil it is?
cmath89 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:19:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hello new desktop background
rocketpastsix ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:20:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ill get more if you want.
cmath89 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:22:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You could make an imgur album and post it for some sweet sweet karma
rocketpastsix ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 02:23:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
working on it,
here is another one
https://imgur.com/a/12UaR
StillNOTaCanadian ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 03:30:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just noticed that there are old style AT-ATs mixed in between a few of the new ones. The size between the two it nuts!
rocketpastsix ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:33:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yup saw that too.
DeadDay ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:21:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want a wallpaper of almost every other shot! NEED MOAR
rocketpastsix ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 02:37:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
here it is. https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/75e57i/bunch_of_images_from_the_latest_trailer_enjoy/
StrontiumMutt75 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:11:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy Crapola! Those new AT-AT's look like they're snarling, look at those eyes/cockpit viewports...
eyehate ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 03:01:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ahem.
AT-M6s.
Cobaltplasma ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:42:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah they tower over the older-style AT-ATs; my assumption on what the shorter ones are.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:38:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://imgur.com/a/F5cBD
There ya go. My new desktop wallpaper
TerpBE ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 08:14:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait...what's that in the corner of the sky? https://imgur.com/a/kK2Ns
metanoia29 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:10:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hehe, got a good chuckle out of that one.
tayitude ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:27:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That was pretty badass
yourmomlovesanal ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:21:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
New at-ats have saw tooth legs, probably to avoid cables tripping them. "We won't fall for that again"
1Darkest_Knight1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:29:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mate they are some new type of AT-ATs. Look freakin sweet though
Cobaltplasma ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:43:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The old ones are still there, just pretty small compared to the new big guys.
AmazinTim ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:10:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just hope someone in the film pronounces AT-AT and forever puts the debate to rest.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:39:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
His shuttle is definitely compensating for something.
JoseJimenezAstronaut ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:14:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like how the AT-ATs now have gorilla fists instead of elephant feet.
Now_With_Boobs ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:26:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone notice how it looks like the new AT-ATs are much larger than Original AT-ATs? There's some smaller ones in that scene but they're like half the size as the new design.
lunchtimereader ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:53:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They have armor on their legs to prevent another hoth incident
Ecko09 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:37:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was wondering what it is, didn't connect the fact that it's his shuttle.
DriveACarIntoMyButt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:36:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're not AT-ATs, they have a gun on their back. And different treads.
evbomby ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 02:11:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Spinning really is a good trick!
FireShots ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:34:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
IIRC Anakin did that same manuever at the start of RoTS
VanillaTortilla ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:44:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Now THIS is podracing!
bionix90 ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 02:17:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TIE Silencer. The name is badass too.
Eldrake ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 05:33:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That TIE, and the HUGE Star Destroyer emerging from darkness in the background :O
TheCrimsonCorndog ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:34:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HOLY FUCK
solepsis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:48:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That has to be Snoke's throneship, right?
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 02:12:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like I'll be picking up that Lego set soon...
Morsexier ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:14:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I should have expanded first looking for the lego comment
LibraryDrone ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:34:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a really cool set. During Force Friday I bought that and the BB-8 set.
t0sche ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:58:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The thrusters look eerily close to the Falconโs. I wonder where he got the design
Billabo ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:58:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
...Oh, as in TIE fighter. I scrolled halfway down your replies wondering what LEGO and thrusters had to do with an article of clothing Kylo was wearing. lol. And I didn't remember him wearing a tie in the trailer.
Morsexier ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:13:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
LET THE LEGO FLOWWWWWW
LET THE BRICKS CONSUME YOUUUUUUUU
SpankyJones10 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:17:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TIE Silencer for those looking for its name.
FlecktarnUnderoos ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:51:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kind of looks like a clone wars era vulture droid.
MachtKeinFlausAus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:00:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looks very much like a Hyena Class Bomber!
bl1y ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:55:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TIE Silencer
tlaxcaliman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:38:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Outer ๐ต Space ๐ถ
SerPeteFloode ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:16:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He has his gpas spinning skills
Killzark ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:01:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He tried spinning
BermudaGuy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:12:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bionicle looking TIE
DaemonTheRoguePrince ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:22:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It looks like the First Order took design inspiration from the vulture droids.
LibraryDrone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:35:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm so glad I bought that TIE Silencer Lego Set.
Cameron-Ohara ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:48:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do a barrel roll!
Seriously though it reminded me of Anakin's flying. Super slick
Lukavyy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:46:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll try spinning, that's a good trick!
hacD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:28:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs also called a TIE Silencer, which makes it a million times cooler
Garese ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:09:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At first I thought it was the Scimitar!
xJdmc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:28:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hope itโs called the Tie-lo
UNC_Samurai ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:34:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And a new version of the Nebulon-B, and some sort of escort (roughly corvette-sized) with the Corellian 6-engine clusters on either side.
This makes me even more disappointed in the lack of good starship merchandise this year. The best new thing I saw was the Resistance Bomber, and the smaller die-cast models have the S-foils molded in the "off" position.
Justiroth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:28:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
God dammit. Went back to see if he was wearing a tie. Time for a nap
Noblehammer16 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It looks so bad ass!
martharavenswood ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:50:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TIElo
Noblehammer16 ยท 318 points ยท Posted at 02:10:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snoke looks like an old Earthworm Jim
JediwilliW ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 07:36:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Groovy!
fatherOfDragonborn ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 13:32:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Earthworm Jim. Thatโs a name I have not heard in a long time.
The_True_Zephos ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 06:24:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But he is missing his power suit. Want to see him use himself as a whip though.
DukeElliot ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:17:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Earthsnek Jim Confirmed
dandruski ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:57:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Whoa hey there nostalgia
bChubb21 ยท 4040 points ยท Posted at 02:02:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They brought out stormtroopers at soldier field and showed us all on the big screen. That was awesome.
mdp300 ยท 1493 points ยท Posted at 02:06:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They showed them doing that on tv! That must have been radballs to see it on the ginormotron
shrimpcest ยท 1137 points ยท Posted at 02:23:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really hope you use words like that in real life.
mdp300 ยท 924 points ยท Posted at 02:28:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a 33 year old man and you're god damn right I do.
Nastradoomus ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 02:42:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
29 here and I support you.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 02:48:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
28 here, godspeed friend.
more_than_a_hammer ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 03:02:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
27 here, we're descending
Dylan1Kenobi ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 03:04:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
26 here, oh shit help
Ralph-Hinkley ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 03:20:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
41 here, where do I fit in?
Poc4e ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:21:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
37 here... Shut it old timer!
enemawatson ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:49:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
26 here... my number has already been used!
Rezerdez ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:05:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Red 5, Standing by
Ralph-Hinkley ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:59:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Watch out, I may become angry and use my magic.
Dogtag ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:00:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
25 here. Oh God!
Kammerice ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:07:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cut the chatter, 28.
shrimpcest ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:53:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Awesome.
Urge_Reddit ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:44:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're making the world a better place.
fuck_reddit_suxx ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:55:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
hurr derp the bacon narwhals at darknoon
theivoryserf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:34:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
holds up spork ur goddamn rite
paulisnofun ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:12:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
41 here, too much fallout makes me scared of radballs.
thejakebaylor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:24:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
samesies
Baron_Duckstein ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:32:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
32 and completely behind you.
DustyGozangaz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:13:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're too old to use those words brochacho.
mdp300 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:28:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
k
Greybeard75 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:56:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You have my upvote sirrah
CWinter85 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:43:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hell yeah!
rex_dart_eskimo_spy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:34:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't this real life?
Mapex_proM ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:24:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ginormotron may actually be the real word tho. Texas calls there jumbotron godzillatron
L33TF0X ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:45:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Coach Z!
HolbiWan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:34:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
radballsmotron
thinkmurphy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:02:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think Radballs Ginormotron is in Episode IX.
ARCHA1C ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:38:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
His football parties are so tubular, man.
Tbird90677 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 02:24:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The announcer from espn looked awkward having a smiling stormtrooper next to him.
GUSHandGO ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:31:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At the end, he called him "First Trooper."
3sheetz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:29:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude probably doesn't know what Star Wars even is.
Textual_Aberration ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:24:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They should have fired some really fast rockets across the sky and played the TIE Fighter sounds as if it were a flyover.
joecb91 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:32:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I lived in Chicago I would've bought a ticket just to see that in person.
bChubb21 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:11:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly I was nervous I wasnโt going to get to see it tonight. I had no idea Iโd get to see it on that huge screen!
mullett ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:52:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was watching the game upstairs on my desktop and my lady decided to restart the router with out telling me. Missed it all :(
ADHDAleksis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:38:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Any good videos of this?
lunarfizz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:53:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Chloe from Life is Strange, is that you?
ShredLobster ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:26:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
....radballs? The virginity is strong with this one
TheBurningEmu ยท 67 points ยท Posted at 02:31:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
STORM TROOPERS, ON AN OPEN FIELD NED!!!
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 02:48:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
GET MY ARMORSTRETCHER
TheBurningEmu ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 02:50:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
BRING ME A BLUE MILK BEFORE I PISS MYSELF!
slayerhk47 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 03:02:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
GODS I WAS A REBEL THEN!
Vague_Disclosure ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:46:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
With the Bears defense the field is always open.
gizmobiskit ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:40:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Heartiest laugh in this whole thread. Upvotes to you.
rugger62 ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 02:10:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
most exciting part of the game!
[deleted] ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 02:20:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Considering it was da bears and vikings thats not a difficult feat.
metanoia29 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 02:21:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously, who thought the Bears and Vikings would make for good primetime football...?
rugger62 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:24:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
some midwestern Disney guy?
greyjackal ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:44:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A genius marketeer. They instantly bumped the viewing stats for a mediocre game.
audiodormant ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:49:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A company that both owned Star Wars and Monday night football and said hey I can bump ratings.
heyyyyitsjimmybaby ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:32:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
not hard to be more exciting than that game
tjc815 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:17:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That two point conversion, though.
a_fish_out_of_water ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:40:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously, the Cubs scored more than the Bears today
TheGrammarBolshevik ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:14:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's definitely picked up after the half.
whatjustin ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:45:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They handed out free lightsabers at Downtown Disney and showed it on a big screen! https://i.imgur.com/8nHcnSl.jpg
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:45:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have a few buddies at the game and was invited but couldnโt attend. I was going to jokingly text them that they might have been able to see Mitchโs first start but they missed the trailer. Thatโs cool yaโll got to see it.
candichi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:17:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Idk where those storm troopers learned to march.
CaptainInertia ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:28:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That Marcus Wheaton catch was cool
W00DERS0N ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:23:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But that means you spent money on Bears tix...
bChubb21 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:14:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Free tickets luckily
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:32:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
God dammit. As a native of northern illinois and a star wars freak for most of my life, there are no words for how annoyed I am that I missed fucking stormtroopers in fucking soldier fucking field
BeastofLoquacity ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:22:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did they kneel for the imperial march?
hartman3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:28:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
that was the most exciting thing thats happened at soldier field all season.
everythingpurple ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:48:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
did any of them kneel?
rh6779 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:45:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just went from 6:00 to 12:00
bigblackkittie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:03:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
that sounds badass!!
thirstyshrutebaby ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:48:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was nice to see the Bears fans so pumped tonight. I wish Trubs couldโve taken the W but those will come.
Karmah0lic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:30:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice of the Bears to give the fans something to enjoy
Metallica93 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:08:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I got excited that the Bears won, for a second, too.
Haaaaaaaaaaa!
DoubleDeadGuy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:49:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can you tell me who the player of the night was?
Llort2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:23:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, they are better at hitting things than Both QBs combined
UNC_Samurai ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:30:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The stormtroopers were the most accurate gunslingers on the field last night.
Orion_2kTC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:24:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did they kill the lights and crank the sound?
albertenstein22 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:19:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was there for that! Probably the highlight of that game, besides Trubisky running in that conversion.
AlpineSummit ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:43:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That sounds more exciting than this game!
Bocaj1000 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:01:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But they didn't even have guns...
comp_shooter ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:11:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably a last minute decision considering this past week.
SeacattleMoohawks ยท 3964 points ยท Posted at 01:59:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Love seeing Mark Hamill
shadowabbot ยท 3422 points ยท Posted at 02:02:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Love HEARING Mark Hamill.
[deleted] ยท 2092 points ยท Posted at 02:07:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Love FEELING Mark Hamill.
Sligmit ยท 2056 points ยท Posted at 02:10:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Love TASTING Mark Hamill
me_funny__ ยท 1470 points ยท Posted at 02:16:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Love LOVING Mark Hamill
thatwasnotkawaii ยท 1274 points ยท Posted at 02:20:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Love MARK HAMILLING Mark Hamill
BuckFurke ยท 111 points ยท Posted at 02:22:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Love IN AN OPEN FIELD Mark Hamill.
EtticosLebos ยท 84 points ยท Posted at 02:25:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Am I the only one who loves SMELLING Mark Hamill?
DarthSunshine ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 02:28:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably not
Catacomb82 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 04:06:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Love BEING Mark Hamill.
DarthSunshine ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 04:22:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh hai Mark
BryceGladwin1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
wp
Chrisjmichaels ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 03:38:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Love SMELTING Maek Hamill
theivoryserf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:19:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Love HAMMING Mark Hamill
ContentEnt ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 02:52:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
THANK THE GODS FOR MARK HAMILL
AND HIS TITS
BOBULANCE ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 03:03:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
THERE IS NO WORD FOR MARK HAMILL IN DOTHRAKI
Detroit_Telkepnaya ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 12:34:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A Star Wars wedding without at least three Mark Hamills is considered a dull affair.
HardcoreDesk ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 02:47:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
GODS WE WERE JEDI THEN
NoMoreNutz ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 03:23:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
u/RealMarkHamill
Pietru24 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 03:29:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fetch me the Hamill stretcher!
Scrubtanic ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:47:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gods I was MARK HAMILL then!
newfoundslander ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:53:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Love IS A BATTLEFIELD Mark Hamill.
Not_Oryx ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 02:29:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Love BESSIE'S TITS on Mark Hamill
YepYouRedditRight2 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:12:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Love USING ALL FIVE SENCES Mark Hamill
Schwillet ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:23:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Butt sex.
juice06870 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:25:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok I'll say it, I love SMELLING Mark Hamill.
communistrobot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:54:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When this all gets sorted out, Mark Hamill and I are going to get an apartment together!
PM_IF_YOU_THICC ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:35:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I HATE SAND
ViralVortex ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:23:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Love ARKHAM MILLing Mark Hamill.
J-Debstup ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:11:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is that a sawmill that produces commercial non-GMO psychopaths?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:53:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Love FEEDING Mark Hamill
(Okay, that was just weird)
rhythmjones ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:26:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yo Dawg...
CaptainKyloStark ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:16:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hamill Hamill Mark Hamill
Drzhivago138 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:00:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Malkovich Malkovich? Malkovich.
IDontHaveLettuce ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:11:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Love lamp
unconquered ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:34:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Love marking Mark Hamill.
a_smith51 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:03:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mark Hamill
Julius-n-Caesar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:25:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you beliiiiieve in life after LOVE!
stromdriver ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:47:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
loooo-oooo-oooving youuuuuu is easy when you're mark hamill
orbjuice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:27:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Love HAMILL Mark Hamill
made_in_silver ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:46:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Love Mark Hamill and Alf
SpankyJones10 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 02:16:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Love SMELLING Mark Hamill
mistarteechur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:25:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bet he smells like beard oil and porg meat
Watchmaker-2112 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:21:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You did it. You found the line. And you boldly stepped over it I'll give you that but... now you're on the other side of that line.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:31:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"I may have gone too far in a few places"
Tyrathius ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:22:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait what?
DeadDay ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:22:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
wait
everythingpurple ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:50:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
WHOA!
Cooperjmartin724 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:17:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I support this
Ihaveanusername ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:24:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Miss the old Mark Hamill.
crankyoldprick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:51:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Love smelling Mark Hamill
Thromnomnomok ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:10:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HAMILL THE RAINBOW!
Taste the Rainbow.
Imperial_sympathizer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:11:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
( อกยฐ อส อกยฐ)
goblineer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:35:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Love EATING Mark Hamill
kurisu7885 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:07:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Love having a restraining order form Mark Hamill.
DrShamballaWifi ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:18:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Love BEING Mark Hamill
koleye ยท 318 points ยท Posted at 02:10:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Love BEING Mark Hamill.
steviewigs ยท 739 points ยท Posted at 02:18:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh hi Mark.
m1r0k0v ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 02:31:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So how's your sex life?
steviewigs ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 02:32:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA!
wewd ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 02:45:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
*Leia
steviewigs ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:46:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dammit. Take 7!
orlyfactor ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:04:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
...hundred.
WhatTheFhtagn ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:32:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Errybody betray me! I fed up with this worrl!
credible_hulk ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 02:48:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do or do NAWT! I DID NAWT HIT HER!
Buns_A_Glazing ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:06:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
is bullshit!
TBSportsFan1254 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:21:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
*hai FTFY
vk8117 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:51:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How's your sex life?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:39:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The force is strong with this one.
mechanicallyorganic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:45:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rey, youโre tearing me apart.
Doright36 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:14:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Go home Mark.. you're drunk. ;p
Jason4hees ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:17:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Love BEING inside Mark Hamill
edit Disregard
RoboNinjaPirate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:20:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This would be so much better if posted by Peter Mayhew.
ThePrinceofBagels ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:21:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh hai Mark
Reggae4Triceratops ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:22:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Big if true
Gusbust3r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:31:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm /u/MarkHamill
darksideclown ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 02:10:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Love SMELLING Mark Hamill.
fingers621 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:10:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Love TASTING Mark Hamill.
Sheazer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:10:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Love TASTING Mark Hamill
watchwatcher ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:15:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Love HANDLING Mark Hamill.
Sooners19 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:27:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Love SEXTING Mark Hamill.
JohnnySixguns ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:32:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Love SMELLIING Mark Hamill.
capnjack78 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:19:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
LOVE that Joker!
fperrine ยท 349 points ยท Posted at 02:07:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was a little surprised by the sound of his voice, to be honest.
TallP1NE ยท 283 points ยท Posted at 02:15:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not as much as I was by Carrie in TFA
astraeos118 ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 02:42:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She had that 10 packs a day dug through gravel voice for sure.
Still love her though.
theivoryserf ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:19:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
tfw when u do wanna buy some death sticks
simplepanda ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 10:50:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think part of it was Botox. It seemed like she couldn't open her mouth all the way.
Opan_IRL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:43:41 on October 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But you could
svenhoek86 ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 02:34:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That was a little rough honestly. It's like when you have a smoking hot Aunt that you remember when you were like 6, but you're 30 now and she gained weight and smoked 1000 packs of cigarettes too many.
angwilwileth ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 03:53:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought it made her character more believable. She's old, scarred, but still fighting the good fight.
[deleted] ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 06:19:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I loved it personally. This isnโt Princess Leia anymore, age added majesty to her. Sheโs still regal but tough as nails too and it was a hard journey getting there.
Nesrow ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:47:41 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly, it suits her character perfectly. A tough as nails but dignified old lady.
machinegunsavvy ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 02:44:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You'd think your aunt was smoking hot? Buddy, that's incest.
Kelvyn ยท 101 points ยท Posted at 02:54:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not incest. It's HBO
Obi_Wan_Benobi ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:07:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, he probably just meant his cousin.
svenhoek86 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:47:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well I don't have an aunt, but maybe it's an aunt by marriage.
cabinfervor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:55:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I...wait what?
HouseFreefolk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:49:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I lol'd
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:27:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Love getting Mark Hamilled
champdave ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 02:17:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same, one of those lines in particular had a little Joker in it.
dietotaku ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:38:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You hear Joker, I hear Ozai...
Anybody hear Cocknocker?
J-Debstup ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:12:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hear Skips.
Dayman_ah-uh-ahhh ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 02:24:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly! We're so used to Mark we forget what Luke sounds like. Even back in ESB he was putting on a voice for Luke.
J-Debstup ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:13:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or we just forgot Luke was Joker.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 02:14:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was expecting more grit
Lancer76 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:24:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TBH I was expecting less but that's coming from me picturing him in the original trilogy... I guess 40 years makes a difference!
JuliusStabbedFirst ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:18:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is that his natural voice? I'm a little too used to hearing him as the Joker to know for sure.
fperrine ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 02:23:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It sounded a bit more raspy to me than his normal voice. Luke has seen some things... I bet he's a bit worse for wear.
your_mind_aches ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 04:06:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It sounded like an aged Luke Skywalker. He's definitely employing some of his voice acting prowess to raise his register but mature the voice as well.
You_are_not_smartt ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:29:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
intentionally made to get confused with serkis' voice in snoke for this trailer...
cgo_12345 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:19:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm having trouble reconciling deadly serious Luke in the trailer with the delightful goof that is Mark Hamill.
inclinedtorecline ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:28:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed. Since ROTJ he has really made a living off his voice acting (not to diminish his other work) and after the silent ending of the last film I guess hearing his voice as Luke was not what I expected.
The_Monstees ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:43:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He wouldnโt sound like The Joker forever
Amateur1234 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:43:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He has been a successful voice actor since the first trilogy, I'm not surprised.
starfreak016 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:13:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I couldn't stop picturing the joker
ghaashshakh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:41:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He brings the joker!
ContinuumGuy ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:00:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm glad they are giving one of the greatest voice actors of his generation some lines this time.
Krative_Lifestyle ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:13:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Love SMELLING Mark Hamill
bionix90 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:15:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FTFY
DantheHam ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:32:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I get chills when he says "This is not going to go.. the way you think"
arex333 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:49:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He had lines!
Pukacz80 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:58:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I see Mark Hamill as Luke but I hear The Joker
tinyturtletricycle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:29:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Am I the only one who felt like his lines were a little cheesy? Just kinda awkward - poorly written. Nobody talks that way in real life.
Otherwise, yes good to see hear Luke Skywalker for the first time in 34 years!
ShadowPhoenix22 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:20:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He does have a lovely voice, but to what /u/SeacattleMoohawks says, I feel it's nice seeing Mark in the flesh for once.
[deleted] ยท 702 points ยท Posted at 02:08:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh hi Mark.
jonsnowme ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 02:44:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Youโre tearing me apart, Leia!
thatswhatsmeesaid ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 02:28:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anyway how is your sex life?
frdptrs ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 02:17:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why is this not top comment.
[deleted] ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 02:22:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I cannot tell you that, it's confidential.
zeroesandones ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:46:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anyway, how's your sex life?
CameronTheCannibal ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:34:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hi Doggy!
headsplinter ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:15:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Youโre my favourite customer.
iPoopedJustNow ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:58:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXlao2KNYjQ
Goose_Dies ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 02:18:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He really sold the "scared as shit look" when the ground split.
ianindy ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 02:03:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Love HEARING Mark Hamill.
mr_blanket ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:10:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was kinda hoping to hear a Joker laugh at some point
pmMeOurLoveStory ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:18:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I swear to god, if they kill off Luke...
Watertor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:29:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm predicting that Leia dies in 8, and Luke dies in 9.
So that way, 7 - 9 will one by one kill off the original trio.
bear-assed ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:05:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like he will have a bigger part than I was expecting!!
PurifiedVenom ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:10:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Really? No offense but it's been stated on numerous occasions that Luke has a big role in this movie. I'm guessing his screen time will be second only to Rey and Kylo
metanoia29 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:18:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously, we've waited over a third of a century for this. He will dominate at least the first half of the movie.
Cod_Metal_King ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:45:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, considering he's top billing on the poster...
ebquick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:06:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure he was second only behind Harrison in TFA... big names get big dollars regardless of screen time
samazing11 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:08:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And that he had more than two words. I'm excited!
Bigfoot25 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:35:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Love me some Mark Hamill
for_the_revolution ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:23:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This has nothing to do with Star Wars, but there was a movie called Brigsby Bear that came out earlier this year. It's got Mark Hamill, along with a ton of SNL actors (Kyle Mooney and Beck Bennet) and it's an absolute joy to watch.
Variability ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:07:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like hearing him laugh.
mrglubglub ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:03:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As the Joker
gyxorz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:26:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I canโt stop thinking about the parody trailer mash up with The Room.
throws football at Mark Hamill
โYouโre just a little chicken!โ
ImEdwardd ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:22:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Love SUCKING Mark Hamill
Smallgenie549 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Love LOVING Mark Hamill.
JamesLLL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:13:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Love HEARING Mark Hamill.
DSawce ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:14:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Love theeing* Mark Hamill
ShitGetsBrill ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:31:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Watch Brigsby Bear. He has a great role in that movie.
Scoobytwo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:47:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But why is he AFRAID. Isnt Luke the most powerful jedi EVER!!!?
StockmanBaxter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:00:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I will be very mad if they kill him.
They don't need to go one by one in these movies killing the old heroes. It's unnecessary.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:37:13 on October 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He doesn't look quite the way I would expect Luke to look, but its OK.
FrancescoAA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:02:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Love SMELLING Mark Hamill
ffbtaw ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:46:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
His acting kinda took me out of the trailer tbh.
PotatoKnishes4U ยท 1512 points ยท Posted at 02:05:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TR-8Rs Zappy Stick makes it triumphant return.
He died for our spins.
AnakinShitposter ยท 309 points ยท Posted at 02:45:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's a neat trick
GoldenGonzo ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 04:05:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep!
RocketTasker ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:12:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Possibly.
Franzj0sef ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:51:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Name checks out.
[deleted] ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 04:31:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
deleted What is this?
IanAnthonyKane ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:20:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Writer... singular
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:27:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
deleted What is this?
Seminal_Sound ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 03:50:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
http://tr-8r.com
vmc_7645 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:29:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought it was called a Whappity Stick?...
DemonCipher13 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 10:11:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TR-8R.
Trr-ater.
Ter (minus) ater.
Terminator.
lietuvis10LTU ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:56:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dun dun dun dundundun
TofuZombie92 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:03:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TRAITOR!!!!!
XombiePrwn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:15:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TR-8R stick sounds like traitor stick. And is being used by a traitor... Its now a traitors TR-8R stick.
one_armed_herdazian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:40:26 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Spin stick
notsurewhatiam ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 03:37:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not his real name
anormalgeek ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 03:50:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
More fake news from the rebel propaganda machine.
infez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:32:17 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, it's FN-2199 bro
Wilson4721 ยท 1269 points ยท Posted at 02:04:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit the music is amazing
tobsterius ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 02:12:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's that piano piece towards the end? I'm having a hard time placing the theme.
Wilson4721 ยท 60 points ยท Posted at 02:20:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's Rey's theme but a tad slower!
TLM86 ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 02:53:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which also played under the Falcon chase in full orchestral form.
In order, I believe we had a slowed-down Imperial March (Ahch-To stuff) leading into the Jedi Steps (ground cracking, rocks floating), being interrupted by Kylo's (on his intro and TIE sequence), epic Rey's Theme (Falcon and Resistance), what sounds like more of Rey's Theme with the first two notes of Kylo's ("not going to go the way you think"), Rey's piano theme (Rey/Kylo), and finally the Force Theme over the title.
trollivier ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 03:04:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes I think Kylo Ren's theme is getting closer and closer to the Imperial March
TLM86 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:09:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hopefully, yeah. His secondary "mournful" theme from TFA reminds me of Vader's original theme in ANH, so it'd be nice to have Kylo's main theme heard here progress like the Imperial March did in ESB into a full arrangement.
starwatto ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:16:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Damn I thought I was tripping when I heard Imperial March there and didn't see anybody mention it. Glad to know I'm not the only. It definitely was there! Less epic, slower and more sad version of it... amazing.
Maverick_119 ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 02:31:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like it was not actually John Williams. Similar to the Force Awakens trailer.
TLM86 ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 02:49:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, the trailers are all composed by trailer music companies, though apparently both this and TFA had input from Williams, or at least used themes/progressions he originally composed. That they've used the Jedi Steps theme here suggests it'll be appearing in the score too.
simjanes2k ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 03:04:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
well yeah
i mean how big does your ego have to be to go "nah i know better than the greatest composer in a generation"
TLM86 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:07:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean... I wasn't saying it was an ego thing. Williams may have sent over notes or something, "here's the bad guy's theme, here's a theme for Rey and Luke", etc, and they've popped them in where they see fit.
bubblegumshrimp ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:42:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What kind of composer would need notes detailing the themes? The ones used in the trailer are pretty prominent.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:48:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's like asking what kind a programmer would need comments detailing their code. Of course composers use musical notation.
bubblegumshrimp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:30:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I understand that, but from some of the most popular pieces of all time? You don't think anyone who considers themselves a composer would pretty well know what the theme of the imperial march sounds like?
Murderous_squirrel ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:32:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not necessarily about ego, but William's got a pretty distinctive signature over his composition. If you want to respecte original theme, might want to check with the original compositor.
Also, unrelated, I personally prefer Hans Zimmer to John Williams. Ramin Djawadi is also setting himself to be quite memorable.
starwatto ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:19:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
While Warcraft soundtrack was kinda meh, especially considering high standards of WoW's soundtracks... he absolutely kills it with his work on Game Of Thrones. Winds of winter or Lannister always pays his debts are some of the best fantasy themes I've ever heard.
Hannibal_Lectard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:12:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Amazing work on Westworld as well.
FROMtheASHES984 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 03:15:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The lightsaber sound effects lining up with the opening theme gave me goosebumps.
ribi305 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 03:49:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, and do you notice that it's almost all built on new themes, e.g. Rey's Theme? I love that it feels just as much like Star Wars music as the Force Theme that is used to open so many trailers.
blacksteel367 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 06:59:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I donโt want to live in a world without John Williams
softestbuns ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:50:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
During the bit where Rey starts to crack the ground with the force, it sounds a lot like The Force Awakens. Is that part of the music from another movie?
TLM86 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 03:02:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's the theme from "The Jedi Steps", the finale of The Force Awakens.
softestbuns ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:17:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice find, thank you!
TLM86 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:20:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No worries. It's an awesome theme, so I'd recognise it anywhere ;) It also shares certain chords with the Imperial March, which precedes it in the trailer, for what it's worth.
doopydrew ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:20:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And it also leads into kylo rens theme
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:26:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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TLM86 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:47:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Indeed, and segues into the Jedi Steps theme from the end of TFA, which itself used chords from the Imperial March. So there's definitely a connection between those pieces.
Kherro ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:25:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree! It instantly captivates!
a_toy_soldier ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:45:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
YOU'RE AMAZING
Wilson4721 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:58:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Haha thank you!
R3dFiveStandingBye ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:31:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
John Willams never disappoints!
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:16:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not John Williams, it's trailer music.
R3dFiveStandingBye ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 03:17:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All Star Wars music is essentially by John Williams even if itโs a remix thereโs some of Williams in there.
well___duh ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:18:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rogue One would like to have a word with you
diggerB ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:30:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even Rogue One used the Rebel Theme quite liberally.
R3dFiveStandingBye ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:19:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes I know Rogue One was different but certain themes still resonated with regular generic Star Wars music.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:55:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean the movie where we hear the Force Theme, the Rebel Fanfare, Vader's old theme from ANH, the Imperial March...?
taulover ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:38:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Though to be fair Williams also borrows heavily from Classical/Romantic music to the point where you could argue that he's remixing that too
helgihermadur ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:10:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most notably Holstโs Planet Suite. Mars: the Bringer of War is clearly the inspiration for the Imperial March.
taulover ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
See: Inspiration, Homage, Temp Track, or Cryptomnesia?
Holst's Mars is also inspiration for earlier Imperial themes in ANH.
withateethuh ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:15:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm actually pretty sure he has scored some of the trailers too. Atleast for TFA. Its just altered renditions of music he already wrote.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:47:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Scoring means he wrote the music for them, not having some interns at a music media company arrange some leitmotifs that are derived from his work
Tainlorr ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:53:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right but the op is saying that JW scored a TFA trailer which is correct. The original teaser that starts with Finn popping up in the desert.
R3dFiveStandingBye ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:33:16 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also I just noticed that when Rey hands Luke his old Lightsaber, the Imperial March is playing in slow motion in the background. Speed it up on YouTube in you want to hear it.
younganxietyattack ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:11:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Imagine hearing it in surround sound?!? FFFFFFUUUUCCCCKKKK
Holographic-Doctor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:53:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love that they are leaning in to the new score, and not relying on cheap nostalgia. The music in the new trilogy is great, and I'm glad they're featuring it so prominently.
doopydrew ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:18:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What about the part of the trailer where the Jedi steps theme from the end of TFA when Rey meets Luke is playing and it transitions into Kylo Rens theme... ominous.
Cloudy_mood ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:34:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't mind the music for Rogue One, but just imagine if Williams had conducted for it.
[deleted] ยท 6466 points ยท Posted at 02:21:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AT-ATS IN AN OPEN FIELD NED
Majestic_Beard ยท 2076 points ยท Posted at 03:16:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
RELEASE THE DAMN MOVIE BEFORE I PISS MYSELF
blueindsm ยท 270 points ยท Posted at 04:50:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
BOW, YA PORGS! BOW BEFORE YOUR HYPE!
Wasabi_Toothpaste ยท 113 points ยท Posted at 07:46:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
GODS I WAS A POWER OF THAT MAGNITUDE
Val_P ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 16:39:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
GODS I WAS FULLY OPERATIONAL THEN
UncleRoo ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 17:14:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
LUKE YOUR FATHER WAS A DARTH LORD WITH A FAT ARSE
JonerPwner ยท 89 points ยท Posted at 08:57:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
YOUR MOTHER WAS A DUMB PORG WITH A FAT ARSE
Banana_Rampage_95 ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 14:36:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
PORGS, GODS WHAT A STUPID NAME!
the2belo ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 08:48:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TOO LATE
albinofreak620 ยท 1424 points ยท Posted at 03:10:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
GODS I WAS HYPED THEN
[deleted] ยท 151 points ยท Posted at 06:31:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FETCH THE HYPE STRETCHER
DarthNightsWatch ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:25:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hype stretcher made me laugh outloud whilst taking my morning shit
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:29:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
GLORIOUS
welsman13 ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 04:01:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Woke up my wife from laughing so hard at this comment.
chubrubs ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:58:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Found my favorite comment of the day.
GoSkers29 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 08:53:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HYPE FUCKING CONFIRMED
ShadowPhoenix22 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:27:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is one of the funniest and nicest things I've seen on Reddit recently.
[deleted] ยท 1466 points ยท Posted at 03:04:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Falco-Rusticolus ยท 906 points ยท Posted at 04:27:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You ever fuck a Jakku girl? Back in our day, you weren't a real man until you'd fucked one girl from each of the Star Systems, and the Outer Rim. We used to call it "making the hump to hyperspace"
jncheese ยท 219 points ยท Posted at 06:11:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Used to call it an "Outer rimjob".
SangEntar ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 12:18:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Beautiful.
setfaeserstostun ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:50:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you gotta ask, you can't afford it
SlanginFunds ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 11:14:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
โMine was some young palpatinian fanatic at the battle of hoth,โ โMy Tauntaun took a beamshot, so I was on foot, slogging through the snow. He came running at me, this dumb snowtrooper clone, thinking he could end the rebellion with a single shot of his blaster.โ
โI knocked him down with my saberhiltโ โGODS, I WAS STRONG THENN. Caved in his batterypack. Probably shattered every rib he had. Stood over him, saber in the air. Right before I brought it down he shouted โWait! Wait!โโ โThey never tell you how they all shit themselves. They donโt put that part in the 501st brochure,โ he continues. โStupid boy. Now the snowtrooper eskimos are all frozen and dead somewhere in the ice with the tauntauns. He could have lingered on the edge of the battle with all the smart clone boys in their armored ATATs and today his wife would be making him miserable, his sons would be ingrates just like the rest of the clones, and heโd be waking three times in the night to piss into a sealed peeshoot.
CRIXUS_UNDEFEATED ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 12:34:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
...BLUE MILK!
itskaiquereis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:53:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs empty your grace.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 10:47:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Making the Kessel Run.
BikebutnotBeast ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 05:03:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"hyping the hump to make her space"
link090909 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 06:34:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Amazing
RashmaDu ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:16:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You ever took the hump to hyperspace Master Windu?
queentsuga ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:54:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
!RedditSilver
Milo_theHutt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:30:27 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just grab a twi'lek and Charge up her loading ramp son Cuz them Tailheads got more star miles on em than a spacer and are ready to Kriff, so flatch the snatch
porcos3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:58:48 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Damn, how long would that take?
KlingonAdmiral ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 05:05:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
THANK THE FORCE FOR LEIA AND HER TITS
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 10:42:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
[removed]
TheGeorgeForman ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:47:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Risky click of the day mate
twbassist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:59:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good bot
recklessfear ยท 119 points ยท Posted at 04:13:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HANSLAYER, GET IN HERE WEโRE SHIT POSTING
VarysIsAMermaid69 ยท 564 points ยท Posted at 03:22:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
KYLO'S MOTHER WAS A STARFLEET ADMIRAL WITH A GREAT ARSE
SuperGameBoy01 ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 09:11:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
KYLO REN, GODS WHAT A STUPID NAME!
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 09:52:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
BOOOOOOOOOOOO
Srokap ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:06:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
CAREFUL NED, CAREFUL!
eli_cas ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 12:59:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shame!
SlumdogSkillionaire ยท 493 points ยท Posted at 02:53:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Go get the kyber stretcher!
Falco-Rusticolus ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 04:22:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
THEY NEVER TELL YOU THE WOOKIES ALL SHIT THEMSELVES. THEY DON'T PUT THAT PART IN THE MOVIES.
DasMeowHaus ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 04:39:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
SHEEV GODS WHAT A STUPID NAME
HurrdeerTf2 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 08:03:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
WHO GAVE YOU THAT NAME? SOME DARTH PLAGUEIS WITH A STUTTER?
Messerchief ยท 71 points ยท Posted at 03:26:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
BOW BEFORE YER SUPREME LEADER, BOW YA SHITS
[deleted] ยท 94 points ยท Posted at 02:29:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
THANK THE GODS FOR PORGS AND THEIR SQUEALS
I_need_that_bacon ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 05:14:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
CHAOSH IS A LIGHTSABAH
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 03:34:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
GODS I WAS DRUNK
longshanks7 ยท 88 points ยท Posted at 03:06:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck, r/Freefolk is leaking again.
mamasaysimspecial ยท 56 points ยท Posted at 04:07:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
CAREFUL LONGSHANKS7! CAREFUL NOW!
OSUTechie ยท 95 points ยท Posted at 03:44:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What do you mean leaking? They joined forced with /r/prequelmeme
brandoniusly ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 03:40:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Their memes know no bounds.
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 03:56:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is known
DasMeowHaus ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 12:25:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is known
CMLMinton ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:21:57 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it is known
GoSkers29 ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 08:51:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
IN MY DAY YOU WEREN'T CONSIDERED A MAN UNTIL YOU'D POSTED BOBBY B IN AT LEAST SEVEN OTHER SUBS. WE CALLED IT MAKING THE EIGHT.
ammiritecomeon ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 04:10:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What is this a crossover episode?
SwordoftheMourn ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 06:27:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean Brienne is there. And Kelly C is in the Han Solo movie so yeah.
PhDinGent ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 09:59:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My sides.
SwordoftheMourn ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 12:14:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have you heard of our lady and queen Kelly C and her best friend Miss Sunday?
hadukem ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 04:47:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh no itโs spreading
Eevee136 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 09:41:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
GODS BLESS LEIA AND HER TITS
PSI_Rockin_Omega ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 03:06:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And new ones at that! I wouldn't be surprised if they displayed some new ability. THE CABLE CUTTER
derangedmunkie ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:55:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They look like they have shin guards that are meant to catch the cables if someone were to try to take them down that way. I wouldn't be surprised if they are featured in at least one scene where they come in handy.
kensai8 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:17:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone pointed out that there were older AT-ATs in the shot, and these new ones are about twice as big.
scroopy_nooperz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:21:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit really? Rewatching again
Buttlet ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 10:55:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We're out of trailer content, your grace...
DasMeowHaus ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 12:25:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
SO GET
MOOOOOORE
WilleBweendeuh ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 03:58:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
GODS I WAS STRONG THEN
blueindsm ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:49:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
OMG Can't stop laughing!!!
Robofetus-5000 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:06:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you look closely, they kind of look like they walk like gorillas. Like, they have more hand-like front appendages. Much more agile AT-ATs?
QweefBurgler69 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:41:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ApeT-ST
Tar-eruntalion ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 08:26:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
god i love baratheon memes
Fezztraceur ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:11:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gods I was strong with the force.
owlnsr ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:13:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo. Gods, what a stupid name! Kylo Ren!
pintvricchio ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:32:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Always nice to see the free folk on other subs.
-Germanicus- ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:46:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Enhance!
CaptainKabuki ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:26:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The First Whoreder is pregnant
arex333 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:49:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/freefolk is leaking.
nachoolo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:39:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Look at their foot, they aren't regual AT-ATs, they are gorilas AT--ATs.
QweefBurgler69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ApeT-ST
Someshitidontknow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:06:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is it just me or did they have gorilla-style knuckles on the front legs? Like as if they might rear up at some point
QweefBurgler69 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:42:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ApeT-ST
bhfroh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:40:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Robot camels
DotA__2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:36:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the front legs looked more like gorilla fists
QweefBurgler69 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:42:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ApeT-ST
Mo_Lester69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:04:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First thought was these fuckin AT-AT's marching on the wall
Box_of_Rockz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:38:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
THEY HAVE SLANTY RED EYES! THEY LOOK PISSED!
blinkhic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:55:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, Jim, Robot camels.
arex333 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/freefolk is leaking.
WillingfordXIV ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:10:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some fool Solo boy who thought he could end the Jedi in one lightsaber stroke...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:10:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This isn't an Empire Strikes Back reboot you are all seeing (waves hand in front of screen).
[deleted] ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 08:24:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow so original! The planet looks icy too! And they're attacking a rebel base! Totally not episode 5!
attanasio666 ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 08:54:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's time for the /r/freefolk to end
antiseptic123 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 12:25:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But look at how much fun weโre having
Amyga17 ยท 4671 points ยท Posted at 02:00:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit that Kylo/Leia moment
Wookie301 ยท 3375 points ยท Posted at 02:03:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Could be 2 different scenes. Same with Kylo and Rey at the end.
TaigaEye ยท 2596 points ยท Posted at 02:06:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah remember how they sorta made us think Finn was the Jedi
HDigity ยท 2261 points ยท Posted at 02:14:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Still think he is tbh
Finn Skywalker still not unconfirmed
[deleted] ยท 2200 points ยท Posted at 02:22:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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HDigity ยท 142 points ยท Posted at 02:25:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
all I was thinking was that Finn's mom was a new character but that's a fun Theorytm so
Landuke 100% confirmed
[deleted] ยท 67 points ยท Posted at 02:35:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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gyutop ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 02:39:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lando = Snoke confirmed.
BoltonSauce ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 06:12:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought Lando was Daario??
Greyclocks ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 09:16:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, Lando is Benjen.
livin4donuts ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 05:58:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah Kylo is Snoke with some time travel bullshit.
NarejED ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:30:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This theorizing is getting worse all the time.
Phazon2000 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:59:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wins a hand at galactic poker
Table cracks in half
HDigity ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 03:10:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
http://66.media.tumblr.com/9c91df1fa4401c963102b1332e6e747a/tumblr_mtqwhwtCSK1snb9guo1_r1_500.jpg
CmdrMobium ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:54:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lando's not a man. He's a power blaster.
charbo187 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:00:16 on October 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the power of colt 45 https://youtu.be/0pK5HmuCMBM
BurgerTech ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 03:19:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thandie Newton is Finns mom, thus connecting The Han Solo movie to the sequels . Ron Howard's hand is covering an Imperial Patch. It's the most outlandish theory i can come up with.
Come on guys, Im doing my best here. lol
Bruc3w4yn3 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:36:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, that definitely LOOKS like an Imperial patch
NoJelloNoPotluck ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:20:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How the Force got it's Groove back
wmccluskey ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 03:27:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lando always had the hots for Leia, and Han was out I the picture for a while...
GiantSpaceWhale ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 04:52:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh my God ..
TiltingBloo ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 02:32:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
thats not how genetics work!
ProjectShamrock ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 02:56:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody said Luke or Lando were humans. It's a long time ago in a galaxy far away so they might just look like humans but have different naughty bits and genetics than us. Anakin was born from a virgin after all.
dongsuvious ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:52:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I assumed Anakin was Waddo's son
TiltingBloo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:16:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
literally space jesus
Someguy2020 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:34:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure if reference or actual disagreement.
TiltingBloo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:35:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
both
Send_Me_Puppies ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:56:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not naturally, but it may one day become possible for germ cells to be artificially influenced to deviate from their normal path of differentiation. A lot of the biology crosses over. It would work fine for two male parents, but two female parents wouldn't be able to conceive a son unfortunately.
TiltingBloo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:17:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
bro thats so unnatural why would anyone want that
Send_Me_Puppies ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:59:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gay or lesbian couples who want kids? I'm not sure if you're offended by the idea of same-sex couples or by the actual process.. It definitely makes sense to adopt, but if they really wanted genetic offspring then it would be nice to have an option.
TiltingBloo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:44:58 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The process is fucked and the idea of a man procreating with a man to make a child is fucked up not because "muh homosexuality" but because that kid will have so many deficiencies and will have to suffer through life when you could've just adopted a kid
Lord_Locke ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:52:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lando got to fly more than the Falcon last time he beat Han in Poker?
AThilgers ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:37:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://m.imgur.com/t/funny/WfiRzsb
JackDelRetard ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:48:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So that's what went on up in Cloud City.
blowmonkey ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:11:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What happens in Cloud City stays in Cloud City.
_ilovecoffee_ ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:40:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This entire trilogy is just one long drawn out erotic fanfic about Luke and Landoโs love child.
codenamefulcrum ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:51:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or Leia and Lando!
Hello, what have we here? ;)
Hugo_5t1gl1tz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:59:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean really really old technology
meniscus- ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:39:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
THE BEST TIMELINE
barath_s ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:48:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lando and Leia.
Though I bet Shmi had other kids too...
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:20:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No. There is another Skywalker.
bergerfred ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:21:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
False. He's the son of Leia and Lando. Lando and Han played one last game, and Lando won Leia for one night. She hated Han for it. They gave the baby up because it was a constant reminder for both of them of Han's gambling problem, and it was eating away at them. It eventually led to the downfall of their marriage.
The_real_sanderflop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:50:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Son of Luke and Sana Sarros to make the comic fans flip shit
Don_Antwan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:52:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hold on ... lemme grab my tinfoil
SavioVegaGuy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:09:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hot.
rimmed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:53:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah bro he's a wookie
Werneyy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:28:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
With a little bit Wookie-DNA. Man that was a night...
flynn_dc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:31:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't have to be advanced technology. Maybe that's one way babies are made in a galaxy far, far away.
kemalpasha ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:32:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
lmfao
Veternus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:13:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What happens in the force, stays in the force.
capnjack78 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:16:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well what have we here?
nosleeptilmanhattan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:00:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Son of Luke and Han's fake!first wife from the comics who pointedly thinks he's cute.
Someguy2020 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:00:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That doesnโt sound very believable.
crewchief535 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:59:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/jesuschristreddit
BenjaminTalam ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 02:43:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I prefer his story to Rey's so far so having him be a Jedi would be awesome. Stormtrooper turned Jedi. I don't even want him to be a Skywalker. I want the force to awaken in various people.
Jorymo ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 04:58:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was hoping for that before VII came out; that a bunch of people would start becoming force sensitive like the airbenders in Legend of Korra
Friendly_Ghoul ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 06:22:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The New Canon has been trying to "redo" the concept of Force Sensitivity. Characters and groups like Chirrut and the Acolytes of the Beyond have shown us that all living beings can use the Force to a certain degree. Lack of natural sensitivity and aptitude can be amended (to a degree) through training and practice.
Ecko09 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 10:08:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yoda said that Force is in all living beings.
Konekotoujou ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:16:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except for the vong /s
SNAFUesports ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:32:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Glad I'm not the only one. I think the story should follow Finn and luke and not rey and kylo. Only give us snippets of kylo and snoke like they did with Palpatine and vader in the first 3.
Sailor_Gallifrey ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 02:33:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was thinking that for awhile. Everyone accepted his backstory as a normal stormtrooper, and making everyone ask questions about Rey could be a great red herring. But seeing how Rey centered all the marketing for TLJ is, I think they're too deep in to try and pull that one now.
Xacto01 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:57:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well the mind training didn't work on him... So there's that
HDigity ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:37:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But what a fucking twist if they could pull it off!
NihiloZero ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:04:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've always thought it was too coincidental for his conditioning to wear off when and where it did. And I still suspect that he might be some sort of a Manchurian candidate.
Grasshopper188 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:54:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. Him hearing the voices from the Hosnian system and looking into the sky before it was destroyed still has me convinced he is FS.
Crappy directing, if that's not the case.
Twisty1020 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 09:39:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Plus the look that Kylo gives him at the beginning of TFA. Also, the situations he gets himself into where he comes out alright is a bit too lucky for a normal person imo.
Xacto01 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:53:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Those targeting skills reaction times right???
Edit: corrections
HDigity ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:58:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finn is 100% gonna be a Jedi I'm not even shakeable on that, I'm less sure about him being a Skywalker but I Want To Believe.
Xacto01 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:10:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rey gonna go evil, fin going to redeem her lol
NihiloZero ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:16:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rey is going to be tempted by the dark side. Then Kylo is going to reveal the truth... Luke orchestrated his turn to the dark side and is trying to do the same thing to Rey. Snoke is a smokescreen and probably won't survive Episode VIII.
Tesrab ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:40:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. I still think the whole "Force Awakens" part is Finn waking up to the force. Like it seems to overcome him in his moment of indecision early in the film and it gets Kylo's attention, but passes because he's still largely untrained and Finn is still weak to the force.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:34:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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HDigity ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:39:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Easy: He takes after his mom. Done.
THERE IS ONLY ONE THEORY THAT MATTERS, AND IT IS HERE.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:29:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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HDigity ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:44:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who says he didn't? Finn's 24, maybe Luke gave up. Or maybe he was convinced that Finn died during Kylo's Big Temper Tantrum. Or something.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:09:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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HDigity ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:19:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, the force should let him know that...
BUT.
In Ahsoka, Ahsoka can't "find" Anakin or Obi-Wan in the force anymore after the shit went down, and she assumes this means they died. So it's possible that after a sufficiently traumatic event (Kylo's tantrum) Luke lost contact with him and was unable to "find" him.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:22:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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NihiloZero ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 05:14:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke allowed Kylo to be turned. It's all part of his bigger plan. He was in control of everything that transpired in Episode VII.
NihiloZero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:13:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He didn't. At all. He's been pulling the strings from behind the scenes this whole time. He didn't completely vanish, he's just been doing some shady shit for some larger diabolical purpose. Luke has essentially turned.
Fuck_Mothering_PETA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:20:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm going to ask for a source because I know you're talking out your ass.
NihiloZero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:11:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or (and this has been my theory for quite a while) what if Luke has been in control of everything?
Kylo turning to the dark side? All part of the plan. Rey finding the map and Luke's lightsaber? All part of the plan. Finns conditioning failing when and where it did? All part of the plan. Everything is proceeding exactly as Luke Skywalker has foreseen it.
This trailer, for me, all but confirmed it completely. Luke is the big bad. Snoke, at best, is Luke's apprentice. And, either way... Snoke won't survive Episode VIII. He was never really the main villain of this new trilogy.
W00DERS0N ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:25:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke got that stanky leg...
But nah, Lando fucked Leia...
son_of_noah ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:31:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lando + Leia = Confirmed!
MLein97 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:44:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
George Lucas has a black daughter not a black son irl though, but who knows they might of changed the gender because of audience testing.
made_in_silver ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:46:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Huh?
livin4donuts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:56:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anakin + Mace <3 4ever
theOGcomfypillow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:46:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Has anyone considered that he could be Mace Winduโs son?
ShadowPhoenix22 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:26:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Far more Jedi than Skywalkers.
BRAND_NEW_GUY25 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:54:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't Samuel L. Jackson say he was his son? I know he has no actual info but Finn Windu sounds cooler imo
headpool182 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:21:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
lol finndu. But seriously, there's too much of an age gap...
DutchDoctor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:01:04 on March 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not if Snoke is Windu
handslikezeus ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 02:13:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What do you mean sorta? It was 100% marketed that way
SkyGuy182 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:40:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't fall for that for a second. I knew 100% going in to the movie that Rey would pick up that mantle.
asian_wreck ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 04:37:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Heโs not the Jedi, but he certainly is one. In episode 7 Snoke says he feels an awakening in the force, and this scene is pretty much right after Finn disobeys phasmaโs order to kill the villagers. Nothing involving Rey and some sort of awakening moment happens between the two scenes, so itโs a deliberate set up to imply Finn is the force sensitive one Snoke senses. Thereโs a tumblr post floating around somewhere that explains it a lot better than I did
SkyGuy182 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:40:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
...Seriously? okay then.
db_blast7 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:39:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was even in the toys.
It was interesting seeing people call sexism for not selling Rey toys when straight up it was a misdirect.
red_suited ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 06:09:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
YES and I'm still bummed about it because I was super excited to see a black guy lead a major franchise. I still like his character but I'm just bummed he isn't the lead.
Smallgenie549 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 02:11:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And then he picked up a lightsaber again in this trailer.
EDIT: I stand corrected. This is what happens when I watch the trailer while lying on the couch with Mono.
a_Light_Umbrella ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 02:13:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finn?
Where? I only saw him fighting Phasma with the electricity baton that TR-8R used to fight him in TFA.
ShouldersofGiants100 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:20:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was. But it did look a lot like a Blue lightsaber for a moment there.
MacJInTheBay ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:14:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wasn't a saber. I think it was one of the stormtrooper saber deflector things
thezander8 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:22:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree.
Incidentally, my dad's headcanon after 7 (that I accepted) was that Finn had to have had some basic training with that when he was a stormtrooper, which is why he could handle the saber. This seems to basically confirm it.
stormtrooper1701 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:38:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Congratulations, that's literally canon. "TRAITOR!" guy was his sparring partner.
thezander8 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:48:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah shoot, I should have known better. If someone's in a frame, there's an EU backstory for them
NatKayz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:35:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure the guy who yelled traitor was a friend of Finns and they all trained together (a comic shows them training with the boton I believe?
TeamLouie ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:14:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That wasn't a lightsaber I don't think. It was the same energy sword thing that the Stormtrooper used against him in TFA.
dengarbh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:15:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah wasnโt a lightsaber my man. It was one of those things that the trooper that he fights in episode 7 was using. Itโs called a Z6 riot control baton.
Guitar_Crazy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:23:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm gonna go ahead and not correct you, but rather send you well wishes. Feel better and may the force be with you!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:14:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I actually think that was the same baton that TR-8R used on him.
He's found true power now.
luke_in_the_sky ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:57:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If there's something JJ Abrams is really good at is making misleading trailers.
bionix90 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:14:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That was a big misdirection.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:36:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but never by splicing unrelated scenes together.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:28:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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TheNAC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:36:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
?
Martel732 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:40:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really like that I tried my best to avoid spoilers but ended up seeing a commercial or something with him holding the lightsaber, and thought it had been spoiled. In the end it was almost better because I spent the first half of the movie thinking that he would be the Jedi. So, it was a nice twist.
brutallamas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:00:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe Luke is with both of them during this scene.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:55:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I still think he could be. Mainly I just kinda want him to be. Maybe a Jedi consular or something.
fortunegunner ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:08:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The hints that Finn is at the very least force sensitive are all over TFA. So I wouldn't be the least bit surprised.
Serephiel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:15:49 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would prefer that so much. My ideal scenario is Rey goes dark side, kylo goes off in his own, more neutral path, after being replaced by Rey as snokes favorite. Then Finn becomes Luke's true apprentice. And in all honesty I would love if Rey ended up killing Luke.
At the very least give her some opposition and develop her character into something more than a Mary Sue that barely has to try to do everything the plot needs her to.
Randall_Hickey ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:26:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I still don't understand Finn using a light saber. They made it pretty clear in the original movies that only a Jedi can use a light saber
dswartze ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:31:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean like the time in ESB when Han uses one? Or how the very first time a lightsaber is ignited in ANH it's by someone who although he is very force sensitive has no training and doesn't know how to use the force.
Also other examples in the current canon include some really dumb comics with lots of people wielding them, and in Rebels. I suppose if you count the darksaber there's a few more in the clone wars as well.
Randall_Hickey ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 02:39:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Clearly I meant fighting with one
Croswynd ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:42:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finn didn't really do much you wouldn't do with a vibrosword, and he still got his ass kicked by a severely weakened Kylo almost immediately.
dswartze ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:44:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well the comics and the TV shows still show otherwise, and although many of them came out after TFA was made, Pre Visla and the darksaber go back to before the Disney purchase in a show that George Lucas was very involved in.
Oh and General Grievous.
NatKayz ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:36:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To effectively weild one in combat you almost always need the force. Finn doesn't effectively weird it, gets his add kicked both times.
jwhitmire2012 ยท 404 points ยท Posted at 02:06:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Kylo and Rey part at the end is DEFINITELY two different scenes. The other never shows him go through with it so who knows what happens.
billothy ยท 156 points ยท Posted at 02:15:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only a Sith deals in absolutes
L_Keaton ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 04:45:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Found the Sith.
Roflzilla_ ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 05:07:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs treason, then.
L_Keaton ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:31:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
*BLAM!*
Entreprenuremberg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:10:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep.
[deleted] ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 02:43:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The scene with Rey looks to be around a firepit, the scene with Kylo is in a firestorm. The lighting is different in each, as is the color of light emitting from the lighting source.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 02:18:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely think Kylo / Leia was real, but not the last bit. Who knows though
Jay_R_Kay ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:57:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, the scene with Rey looks like a green room, whereas Kylo is red with fire and smoke around. It's possible that the scene is Kylo offering his hand to Rey, and Rey could be talking to Kylo in her's, but they're definitely different.
dreadpirateruss ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:47:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's missing his awesome cybernetic scar in that shot. Maybe it's a flashback?
I really hope the Kylo/Leia shot is legit. He's really trying to convince himself that he's evil.
stationhollow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:56:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or vision cave stuff
Digitlnoize ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:45:05 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree. In the Rey scene she's got the orange lighting, but in Kyla's it's even more so AND there's floating fire bits falling, which we don't see in the Rey scene.
bckesso ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:45:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've seen a lot of people mention this but no one screen shot it. Would you do the honors?
fonzanoon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:29:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same lighting, same direction. Probably real.
Wek11 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:22:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So sure of that, what makes you?
chambros703 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:50:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i think its the same scene, the light in the background is the same.
KaerMorhen ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:00:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The lighting on Rey is slightly more yellow/orange. If they're supposed to be facing each other by the same light source I don't think it would be even that subtle of a difference.
chambros703 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:18:35 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
good call....let the theories begiin!
Grizzleyt ยท 115 points ยท Posted at 02:06:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Very similar lighting if so. They still might be creating a misdirection with the editing, however.
lmust14 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:25:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the light on Rey's face is from
a firethe sunset, sitting with Luke. It's constant and more golden than the flickering with Kylo.myanrueller ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 03:03:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This. The lighting behind Kylo is harsh, because it is in the fires behind him. That would be reflected on Rey's face. Hers was much warmer, almost inviting, and much more stable.
Speculation:
I think the hand is an extension to Finn, who is shown to be present at a fire lit battlefield.
j0sephl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:02:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also the floating embers are not present in Reys reverse. Definitely not the same scene.
3sheetz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:26:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think we all know Leia dies
DriveACarIntoMyButt ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:37:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I bet kylo dies there not Leia. You think kylo kills her but she's actually watching him die. Maybe killed by Poe.
KKsEyes ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:08:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It seems like the Kylo/Rey thing is two different scenes. The backgrounds and lighting on their faces seem to be different.
I'm assuming Rey is saying her lines to Luke
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:27:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
His targeting computer is showing the Raddus' command bridge as being locked in, and Leia is obviously the commander of the Raddus. So yeah, it's Kylo killing Leia/failing to do so.
Wookie301 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:31:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Still not buying it 100%. They edit the trailers like crazy. Voiceovers from difference scenes, clips from difference scenes put together, and footage that doesnโt even make the final cut.
Sailor_Gallifrey ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:30:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or maybe it's from the same scene but he doesn't pull the trigger? I'm pretty sure that Leia doesn't die because they had to rewrite Episode IX because of Carrie's passing and that The Last Jedi remained unchanged.
Unless... What if she was always supposed to die in TLJ but the way IX was going seemed untactful after Carrie died?
treein303 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:06:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah there's so much misdirection probably in the trailer to make people question stuff. But people will believe anything and do anything these days, as we know, so lots of people will probably buy into it haha.
Mal_Funk_Shun ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:12:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or it's like Luke and Vader in ESB when Yoda tests him.
dngrgrlfrk ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:14:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo at the end didn't have the scar...
NatKayz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:40:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes he did. Just sometimes it has the metal bits and sometimes it doesn't I guess.
crooks4hire ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:30:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Possible flashback?
DarkJedi3000 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:06:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe but I imagine it'll play out that way, with him hesitating. That's probably the moment where either he fully turns to the dark side or redeems himself.
JohnnySixguns ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:14:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Orange lighting on right side of Reyโs face DEFINITELY matches the orange lighting on left side of Kyloโs face.
Beyond that, there are no other consistencies. Background for Rey looks cold and damp. For Kylo there is fire and falling cinders.
Could be same scene but impossible to know for sure.
Jeranda ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:58:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea the Kylo and Rey scene are two different scenes in my opinion. It looks like Rey is wearing her first outfit that has a bit of a collar on it when she is asking someone to show her place in all of this, and I feel like she wouldn't be asking Kylo for help so early on in the movie before she switches to her new outfit. Also they really seem to emphasize reflections from lighting in the eyes, or other shiny things such as phasmas helmet in this trailer, and I don't see fire reflection in reys eyes.
Wing126 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:50:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It has to be two different scenes, there's no way they would spoil that moment (Leia/Kylo) in a trailer.
Sailor_Gallifrey ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:09:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not saying you're wrong, but I don't see why the one at the end would have to be misdirection. It's Star Wars, of course Rey is going to be tempted by the dark side. It's not a problem to show that in the trailer, I'd be more suspicious if it hinted one way or the other which way she goes.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's my thinking with the end scene, I'm betting it's a total misdirect
Lieutenant_Meeper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think so--consider the lighting.
Wookie301 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:37:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The lighting is what makes them look different.
Lieutenant_Meeper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:35:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hm. I need to watch it again.
ShadSilvs2000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If it is, I wonder how else they would write out Leia for Episode IX
DKTHUNDR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I think the lighting between Kylo and Rey at the end is different
Evadson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:14:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree, if you look at the backgrounds it's pretty clear they are different scenes.
In the Leia scene, everyone behind her is walking around calmly and the ship seems fine, not like it's about to be destroyed.
In the Rey scene, her background is still while Kylo's is full of fog and falling sparks. Probably different shots from different scenes cut together in both instances.
BrerChicken ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:17:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo and Rey were definitely two different scenes. There are burning cinders falling from the sky in Kylo's shot, but not in Rey's.
Shoelacess ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:31:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm not convinced it her ship heโs blowing up. Space scene looks pretty active. People in background behind Leia are walking and relaxed.
Juhzor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:32:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm guessing they two different scenes. The background characters are for the most part calmly walking around in the scenes with Leia, doesn't feel like they are in the middle of a space battle.
Purdaddy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:50:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's what I'm thinking. I just wathced it again, and everyone on the ship in the background behind Leia looked way too calm for a ship that's potentialy going to be taken out. Then again, Leia may be the only one who's aware of what Kylo is about to do because of the Force.
Xacto01 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:52:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why is he targeting the bridge?? :(
Oath_Break3r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:14:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's safe to say the end is most definitely two different scenes.
enderandrew42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:18:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We see she is on the bridge of that ship. In his targeting computer, you can see he is locked on to the bridge of that ship.
He is talking about killing his past to become what he is meant to be. There is actually a Zen Buddhist saying about killing your parents, killing your teacher, killing the Buddha, etc. This is metaphorical, but the idea is that you have to transcend your conditioning from each level of teaching to become your own person.
TalonIII ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:26:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's two different scenes. Behind Leia no one is running around which isn't typical for a ship that's about to explode.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:31:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think so, it shows his targeting computer locked on to the bridge of that Mon Cal.
All speculation of course, but this could be how Leia dies. Since Carrie never filmed her death scene, and they aren't editing her in anywhere, it would work to have her die in just a big explosion on a ship.
I bet that happens, then Kylo smashing his helmet happens after that, cause he's pissed at himself for killing his parents.
sgonzalez1990 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:56:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The lighting is similar though. Makes me think otherwise.
TheKyleface ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:10:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's 100% different scenes. If Kylo's squad was attacking, you think the people behind Leia would be just walking around like they are? Different scenes.
KTimmeh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:32:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most likely but still. What if it isn't?
Wookie301 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:36:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If it isnโt, they gave away some big plot lines. But that isnโt what Disney or Lucasfilm do. Everyone went into TFA thinking Finn was a Jedi, because of misdirection.
HouseFareye ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:13:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would agree, but Kylo looked like he was about to cry.
Wookie301 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:22:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He always does.
0neek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:10:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of all the possible misdirection I feel like Kylo/Leia was legit.
There's nobody else in the galaxy he'd hesitate to fire on and with him locking on her ship and all it fits too perfectly.
toe_riffic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:31:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It absolutely is. And they are just cashing in on her death. That felt cheap and insensitive af.
Wookie301 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:47:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would go that far. It was done well enough to have everyone talking. And itโs not insensitive, as Carrie would want the movie hyped in anyway she could help.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:14:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am hopin thatโs near the end when Kylo makes a heel to face turn
bl1y ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:59:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably the same seen because of the targeting computer.
Shinto_P ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:09:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Considering that Kylo is close to shoot on that bridge, it would mean that it is vulnerable after a fight (with more ships or just Kylo? idk). So maybe those scenes are connected but I can't be sure of course. Anyway, for a flagship to become vulnerable, they have to get pretty serious damage. For that indication in the trailer, the bridge crew behind Leia is pretty damn relaxed. If there were a possibility that the bridge could be hit directly, I doubt that they would behave like that.
Maybe it happens before Kylo attacks. Might be that Leia is trying to talk to her son. We'll see ^
CptCreosote ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:42:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Could be but the Resistance fleet looks fucked up. Leia is helpless and Kylo is targeting the bridge of the ship. They could be reaching out through the force which is why Kylo is hesitating. At which point, some other final blow is dealt which kills Leia and destroy the resistance flag ship. Kylo goes ape shit, turning on the First Order fleet, disabling it and escaping.
zrizzoz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:17:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When I look behind Leia, I don't see the panic of a ship under attack. This may be because the scene was done after Carrie's death, or it may be because its 2 different scenes
tylerlawhon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:02:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty confident the Kylo/Rey scene is 2 different parts. No falling ash in the Rey part.
ChimRichaldsOBGYN ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:49:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm venturing to guess that the Kylo/Leia scene is def two different moments. Looks to me like Leia is probably hearing that her plans to have Finn infiltrate the First Order has failed and now sheโs second guessing everything (or sad at the mistake she made allowing Finn to infiltrate).
But that Kylo/Rey moment to me feels like a dream sequence. Based on his scar Iโm thinking she doesnโt know what he โactuallyโ looks like so sheโs dreaming of him the way she assumes he would look after their first encounter on the Star Killer base.
fonzanoon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:29:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo and Rey had the same lighting from the same direction, I think that one's real.
davidplusworld ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:52:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
While I'm not too sure about the Kylo / Leia scene (even though, let's admit it, even before Carrie died, there were rumors that Leia would be badly injured, so she will probably die from those injuries), the Kylo / Rey scene light looked like they matched each other. Now, it's a trailer, they may have include many shots not from the final cut (ร la Rogue One), or even could go as far as shooting misdirections especially for the trailer.
Journeyman351 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:31:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Look at the lighting, it's the same scene.
Wookie301 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:38:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The lighting is different for Kylo and Rey.
Journeyman351 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:39:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not even close dawg. What do you think is lighting up her face? A flashlight? Or that fire (which glows orange, just like the lighting on her face) raining down from the sky?
Wookie301 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:40:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or a fireplace, sitting in Lukeโs cozy mud hut like Yodaโs.
mistarteechur ยท 432 points ยท Posted at 02:04:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That Kylo/Rey moment at the end was even more HOLY SHIT
m1a2c2kali ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 02:07:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rey! you were the chosen one! You were supposed to bring balance to the force! Not leave it in darkness!
BrerChicken ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:19:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo is standing somewhere where there's fire literally raining from the sky. Rey's not. I don't think they're from the same scene. Like Luke says, "This is not going to go...the way you think."
Richard-Cheese ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:27:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I noticed that too. The scenes look similar enough on the first view but they definitely seem to be in different places.
gyutop ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:30:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For me it was the lighting. Totally off, even though it's the same colorsish.
mistarteechur ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:24:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I'm not sure they are in the same place either upon further viewing.
sophandros ยท 280 points ยท Posted at 02:07:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo doesn't have a scar in that scene, so it's either a flashback or a vision.
Edit: saw a still shot and can see the scar now. My bad.
[deleted] ยท 286 points ยท Posted at 02:10:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you look closely he does. He doesn't have that black stuff that was shown earlier but that could be some sort of Warrior paint or healing item like a band aid?
Frodo-Lives ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 02:24:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup, the scarโs definitely there
Tellsyouajoke ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:50:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But the carbon fiber isn't there
knightofsparta ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 02:59:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do we think without it, is as healed as it's going to get, so technically this is after? When he has it on could be when the wound is still pretty fresh.
myhihi1 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 03:10:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm thinking that scene is near the end of the movie and his skin grew back. It's basically high-tech stitches if that ends up being the case.
joecb91 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:50:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looks the same as we have seen in the promo pictures too.
DannyBoy7783 ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 02:20:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sith bandaids.
Just needs a dab of neosporin and it'll heal up a little quicker.
Fourteen_of_Twelve ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:29:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's using a carbon fiber vinyl sticker as a bandage in the TIE scenes.
BlackCaaaaat ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:32:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bacta-Aid ;)
svenhoek86 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:30:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looked like a futuristic skin graft or something. Probably why he doesn't have it later in the film.
Sailor_Gallifrey ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:34:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe it's some kind of synthetic flesh?
Lord_Ewok ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:52:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
IT must be some futuristic neosporin or a dis solvable bandage
cavelioness ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:59:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
bacta strips
Lord_Ewok ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:42:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was going to say that but idk.could be
Fender6187 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:32:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely a bandage.
ellebelle714 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:30:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or Ziggy Stardust.
Sp3ctre7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:10:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It could be the star wars equivalent of stitches
thegypsyqueen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:18:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely a healing item that will mostly erase the scar
burningblacksun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:37:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was thinking he got cybernetics from previous damage but it may be a healing thing.
VaderPrime1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:44:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I bet that scene with the black stuff is early in the film; the FO goes to Takodana (?) once they find out where the Resistance base is. This is only days after the end of TFA so his scar is fresh (maybe some bacta tank sessions) and also when the space battles weโve seen take place. The resistance tries to flee as Kylo leads the assault. Heโs about to take out the lead ship when he senses Leia and canโt do it.
Ecko09 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:10:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup, it's probably close after their duel in 7 when it didn't heal yet, then later in traielr we see it healed.
TOGHeinz ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 02:11:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The lightsaber scar? It's there. Thin, but there.
mistarteechur ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 02:07:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh man didn't catch that. Gotta watch 100 more times now
CaptainNerdatron ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:17:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I follow the path I set with TFA, I will be watching the trailer at least once a day until Dec. 15
jarwastudios ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:25:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
just in case you haven't caught it, scar is there.
TheConstable ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:13:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He definitely has a scar in that scene.
SongOfBlueIceAndWire ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:13:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He does have the scar in that scene.
Njdevils11 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:17:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He does have a scar in that scene. The ambient color looks the same on both their faces too. It's a soft orange glow. I think it may be the same scene.
sophandros ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:14:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, he does. I just saw a still if it and I can see it better now.
jezzadickandjim ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:14:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes he does, watch it again.
zombifiednation ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:14:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's got a wierd scar, its not the wierd metal thing he's got going on later on, just a regular one.
CTeam19 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:16:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo is Vader in Rey's vision quest.
jedimissionary ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:55:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like this a lot
ripshitonrumham ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:41:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uh.... but he does have the scar.
wings31 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:14:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's got kind of a scar. Like he went in some bacta and got more healed
CaterpillarsNight ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:15:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He does have a scar but not as prominent with the black stuff. It seems more healed.
tonytroz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:25:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They purposely toned the scar down compared to Force Awakens.
blueindsm ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:15:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes he did.
postapocalive ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:16:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes he does.
mjcart03 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:17:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He definitely has a scar in that last scene.
toothy_vagina_grin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:17:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
His metal bandaid might have worked.
jarwastudios ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:25:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes he does. It's much more healed looking than in the tie scene where it looks like a carbon fiber band aid, but I just checked, scar is there for sure.
Sepik121 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:26:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
nah he totally does. look at it again
astraeos118 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:37:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Watch again, he definitely does
Daniel428 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:17:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No he does, the black bandaid thing has just been removed, meaning it's after the first trailer shots
TheGRS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:20:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They could be communicating through force telepathy like how Vader and Luke did.
UnknownQTY ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:42:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think itโs him holding out his hand to Luke in front of the burning temple. Luke rejects him and gets pushed into the pile of rubble.
ihatecats18 ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 02:08:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cant believe they open mouth kissed. It's luke and leia all over again
mistarteechur ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:10:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And Luke just nodding sagely in the corner...classic...
saranowitz ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:42:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's his bionic hand doing?!
mynameis_neo ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:20:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Force Choke"ing the chicken?
agentup ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:39:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I bet that's a fake out, Kylo looks like he just got done exerting himself, maybe fighting or running. Rey looks like she's chilled out sitting by a fire.
Most likely Rey is talking to Luke there.
lefthandshooting ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:43:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
hopefully thats misdirection and they didnt just spoil that in the fucking trailer
mistarteechur ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:46:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's gotta be. Surely.
omgtheykilledkenny36 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:42:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am betting its Rey in the cave of trials like what Luke did in ESB. So it's a vision.
Amyga17 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 02:07:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
THE WHOLE TRAILER WAS HOLY SHIT
mistarteechur ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:09:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know!!!
Barefootin_Along ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:05:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ahhhh I know! Is it real? Is it not? I have so many questions now!!
mistarteechur ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:06:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
SO MANY
darksideclown ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:08:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit man, imagine Luke has to claw her back from the dark side to end this trilogy.
mistarteechur ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:11:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or Rey and Kylo have to claw Luke back! Who knows? I don't trust what i see but the possibilities!
Ecko09 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:12:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke going dark side would shit over his accomplishment in 6 so hard.
mistarteechur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:25:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It really would. So I hope that's not the case...
cavelioness ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:01:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just want them all to come out alive.
DantheHam ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:22:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gave me extreme feels
thi86 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:13:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
SAME HERE I SCREAMED
DiFrence ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:02:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm kinda hoping it turns out to be Kylo extending a hand to Luke
mistarteechur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:55:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The more I watch it the more I'm convinced it isn't a Kylo/Rey moment as I thought upon first watch.
funran ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:28:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One scene has Ash raining down and the one with Rey doesn't. Two different scenes. Misdirection for sure
iawesomesauceyou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:48:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, but I didn't believe it. Especially since the Kylo shot had things on fire falling down and flickering light, while Rey's face has a consistent glow on it. I think its a fake out. I don't know who Ren would be reaching his hand out to, but if it's not Rey, my money is on Luke.
mattmurdock11 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The hand is finnโs. clothes look similar to what finn is wearing earlier in the trailer.
geespot ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 02:03:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I had hoped this would happen
youarelookingatthis ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:08:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think Kylo/Leia is the same scene, but the Kylo/Rey scene seems too deliberate and therefore a fakeout.
samlee405 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:18:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think so. Everyone behind Leia doesn't look to be in as nearly as an intense of a moment as what you would expect in a situation like that.
youarelookingatthis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:33:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm, interesting point. a lot of the shots of Leia we've seen are on this ship so it seems like it could be from anywhere in that time.
mdp300 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:05:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AND WAS THAT A KYLO/REY MOMENT?!
Amyga17 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:08:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
MAYBE IDK GET HYPE
mdp300 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:14:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
OUR SHIELDS CAN'T REPEL HYPE OF THAT MAGNITUDE
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:04:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nope. She's dead
Aero-- ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:59:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Assuming that is the same scene, it looks like Kylo and Leia are communicating telepathically through the force, kind of similar to Luke and Leia at the end of TESB. This special connection between Kylo and Leia was depicted as well in "From a Certain Point of View" or one of those books leading up to this movie.
Kazziuz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:08:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That first shot of her really punched me in the gut ๐
Jgabes625 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:07:12 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo orders an attack on Leia's ship, realizes his mother is on said ship, attempts to save her because he feels guilty from killing his father, fails to save her, finally results in either being pushed away from or further towards the dark side.
lilacjive ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:09:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can see Poe in he background behind Leia so I feel pretty confident she makes it through that moment.
PBTUCAZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:03:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unless Poe doesn't either.......
Rienlol ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:53:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How will they sell all those black x wing toys then?
R0binSage ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:09:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That was definitely serious. Could be the final bridge to the dark side. Or two different scenes. Well, that's how they're writing Leia off.
cassby916 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:13:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have wondered for months if she would get killed off... I'm so anxious to see what happens to Leia. Part of me hopes she does have a heroic death, something that was intended even before Carrie died. I can't see anyone else filling that role.
Taboot_taboot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:56:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Would be the easiest way to get rid of a character who died in real life imo.
โGet ridโ sounds bad but I canโt think of another word
coolzthe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:04:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Biggest spoiler ever. Ugh. It has to be.
Darkstar82391 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:06:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but is Kylo a good or bad guy at that moment๐ค
flare2000x ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:16:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is Rey good or bad at that moment.
Darkstar82391 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:27:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is Chewy good or bad at that moment.
Richard-Cheese ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:29:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think it was! The lighting looked similar, like Rey and Kylo are both near a fire, but in the background of Kylo's shot there is smoke, fire, and debris raining from the sky whereas Rey's scene seems more tranquil. I'm guessing it was clever editing
My_Fox_Hat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm super hype to see more of Kylo's darkness and what else he does with it. That scene gave me chills.
DantheHam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It makes me so sad, poor Carrie.
GaryMarston_rides ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:20:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The people in the background of the Leia shot didn't seem too concerned with being in a space battle.
Clarify edit: so two different scenes for misdirection mayhaps.
cragboy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:57:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
RIP
rhythmjones ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:23:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy flurcking schnitt!
benbernards ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:00:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think heโs gonna kill her off too...
TheDancingRobot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:22:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Godamn if he kills her too. Looks like he's about to take out the reactor on her ship.
austinbucco ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's kind of crazy that they'd even hint at him maybe killing Leia. That's insanely dark for a property owned by Disney.
armless_tavern ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 03:07:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dark like stabbing your father through the chest with a laser sword?
austinbucco ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:40:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well I mean it would be even more dark considering Carrie Fisher isn't alive anymore.
Zin-Fed ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:43:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did you have a epiphany?
Goose_Dies ยท 1319 points ยท Posted at 02:01:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Andy Serkis is so ominous as Snoke!
Brutusness ยท 604 points ยท Posted at 02:05:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He definitely looks way more like a deformed human than I had thought.
JamesLLL ยท 108 points ยท Posted at 02:14:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Serkus, Smeagol, and Snape all begin with S's. Serkus is inhuman confirmed.
Edit: I meant Snoke, but this works too. I've been writing a midterm all day and words unrelated to Spanish women's settlement patterns in Colonial Peru and Chile are hard.
woofle07 ยท 70 points ยท Posted at 02:31:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snape?
TORFdot0 ยท 138 points ยท Posted at 02:37:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You didn't know that Andy serkis was secretly Alan Rickman?
chegs81 ยท 67 points ยท Posted at 02:39:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He truly has tremendous range.
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 02:54:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like Hugo Weaving in Cloud Atlas. He's literally every character.
chegs81 ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 02:57:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And who played Hugo Weaving in Cloud Atlas?
Andy Serkis.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 03:21:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Whoa.
Sprinkles0 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 07:05:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your right, he also plays Keanu Reeves in all his roles.
TerminalBoneitis ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 02:34:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Andy Serkis isn't Alan Rickman
JamesLLL ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 04:34:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Alan Rickman was a character played by Andy Serkus.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:53:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Alan Rickman was just a cgi creation the whole time
TerminalBoneitis ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:09:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lmao I also heard (Gaspar) Salcedo was one of Serkis's characters too
Cambot1138 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 02:50:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
His eyes especially are very human.
shadowabbot ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:33:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Those eyes look very Skywalker-ish.
MrGerbz ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 13:25:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snoke is Anakin's father. Sounds more plausible than force Jesus tbh.
PancakeMan77 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:47:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I said this early but he looks like a Silence/human hybrid thingy
TheTravinator ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 09:37:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The attempt on my life has left me scarred and deformed.
circa1015 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:02:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It definitely helps him nail the role of Snoke.
anacche ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:34:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Serkis or Snoke?
sgr0gan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:03:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think he looks like one of those aliens from kamino from ep. 2 honestly. Throw everyone off.
Lazerus42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:05:26 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm tired of Sith Lords being deformed! Can we once have a sexy looking sith lord? Like I know it's not, but is it subjectively required for a Sith Lord or even Sith Apprentence to look crazy as shit by the end?
The darkside can exist in charisma too man.
Protagonists of Kotor, Kotor 2, SW Jedi Knight, etc... all crazy looking mf'rs. Kylo has that weird ass nose.
GOOD NEWS SEXY PEOPLE!!! YOU'LL NEVER BE ANGRY ENOUGH TO BECOME A SITH LORD!
MegaFlounder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:35:31 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sith tend to have more enemies and higher survivability to compensate. But that still means scarring.
Chipman94 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:23:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea, he looks genuinely creepy as fuck. Especially with his weird force exorcism on Rey.
rezzyk ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:41:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It sounded like he forgot he wasnโt playing Caesar tbh. All the mo-caps must be blending together
Goose_Dies ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:42:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Caesar is Snoke, confirmed.
sharklops ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 05:55:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
et tu, Kylo?
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:03:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's midichlorians, precious?
lvl6commoner ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:16:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm disappointed he isnโt four hundred feet tall like his overcompensating hologram is. That would have been awesome
Goose_Dies ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:24:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kong Snoke would have been cool.
your_mind_aches ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:09:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then just two months after this he's gonna be in Black Panther!
awesomemangoes ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:44:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The attempt on his life left him scarred and deformed
KeeperoftheSeeds ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:22:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
After finally getting sucked into the Planet of the Apes movies, I'm excited to see more of CGI'ed Andy Serkis. Dude is really working hard to push the limits of technology and acting. Mad respect for him.
Goose_Dies ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:25:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Really a pioneer in his field. He has earned all of his successes.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:29:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, why? He put on the motion trackers, that's all. He didn't invent them. He didn't refine them. Mad respect for his acting but he's simply trapped in this kind of role, that's all. It's not like he was protesting Hollywood Hills 24/7 for the use of motion trackers before he got the roles.
KeeperoftheSeeds ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:07:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Props because he seems to have been the one to really start pushing the idea mainstream. And he really seems to love it. It's cool that he doesn't just brush it off as not important work and claim it's all him or whatever. He genuinely seems to love working this way and love working with people to push the boundaries and blur that line between tech/acting.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:10:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Alright just read an interview and yeah
AMongolNamedFrank ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:00:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He looks like Hannibal Lecter
Goose_Dies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:00:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He is that evil....
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:02:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is he actually Snoke? I know it's like a joke to say he plays any mo-cap part.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:18:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, that's totally him. Well, his voice and movements at least.
Sevastopol_Station ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:28:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's sort of common practice to use Serkis for a mo-cap character nowadays. But he's so goddamn GOOD at it!
lunchtimereader ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:12:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Could it be Snoke is the failed clone of the Emperor / Luke (from his hand)
MarcusDA ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:10:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
From r/all
Who is Snoke?
Messerchief ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:21:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
New "big bad" figure. Appeared in last movie only as a 30 foot tall hologram.
MarcusDA ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:24:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah I remember him... didnโt know he had a name.
stadiofriuli ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 07:27:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Characters in movies tend to have names.
johnstocktonshorts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:37:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sometimes names are kept hidden or omitted on purpose. Your sarcasm was unneeded
stadiofriuli ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:41:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry dad.
johnstocktonshorts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:07:59 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's okay bb
_shane ยท 3534 points ยท Posted at 02:04:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There sure are a lot of Pokรฉmon in this one
NotGmoney5 ยท 1152 points ยท Posted at 02:22:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who's that Pokemon?
ITS PICKACHU!
It's Clefairy!
FUCK
Edit: well this blew up
manslayer22 ยท 65 points ยท Posted at 02:40:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Never forget the trainer school episode where they fooled everyone into thinking it was a Voltorb when it was really a Jigglypuff from a sky view.
NotGmoney5 ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 02:44:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And James guessed it was a poke ball when the instructor said to guess the Pokemon.
manslayer22 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 03:45:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
James is still the best trainer, even if he is dumb. That dude cares for all his pokemon.
Ihaveopinionstoo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:46:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
for real...and wheezing is really underrated imo.
ricosgamertag ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 04:08:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That was literally the biggest troll from my childhood. 10 internet points to that guy.
[deleted] ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 02:44:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One of the best vines out there. Itโs like the mans entire existence is based on whether or not he gets it right.
Nastigracea ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 03:19:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Vine? Isn't it an old Youtube video?
[deleted] ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 03:32:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, thatโs a completely different video thatโs probably based off the video you posted.
Clayman2198 ยท 71 points ยท Posted at 04:34:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
this is the one youโre looking for
SheepD0g ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 10:57:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That shit legit doesn't get old. Probably because its such a short clip.
KCisTall ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:32:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That was out long before vine. They just put "vine" at the end.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:54:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
RIP Vine
Likesanick ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:22:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a jigglypuff seen from above!
HeshootsHescores88 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:14:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i LOVE this vine. Had me in tears when i first stumbled across it.
Delliott90 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:30:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That video never fails to make me laugh
Zonino2000 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:15:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's clearly a Jigglypuff seen from above.
kanelock ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:22:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://youtu.be/JjDsRN89sIA
Bexirt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:37:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
nah its a porg
evbomby ยท 824 points ยท Posted at 02:13:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's this, a crossover episode?
jser809 ยท 196 points ยท Posted at 02:43:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That line gets funnier every time. You're being sarcastic but I do think that gets funnier every time.
PM_Me_Clavicle_Pics ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 03:34:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The line's getting funnier all the time...
tphantom1 ยท 157 points ยท Posted at 02:58:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Star Wars Stars and Celebrities: What Do They Know? Do They Know Things? Let's Find Out!
DeadSnark ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 12:43:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've heard of podracing, but this is ridiculous!
Coltons13 ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 03:08:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Doggy, doggy what now?
lmust14 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:55:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Diane Diane what now?
lostineverfreeforest ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 04:19:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What are YOU doing here?!
Solid_Freakin_Snake ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 12:10:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What ARE you doing here?
Guyote_ ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 03:16:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yowza yowza bo bowza!
DFSniper ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:43:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i'm surprisingly ok with this. my 2 favorite franchises combined!
darkkn1te ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:05:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So... they end up on alola? Because that was clearly an alolan vulpix
Newto93 ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 02:52:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's too much man
Pietru24 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:44:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Meessa meessa what now?
SavioVegaGuy ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:11:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who's that dog?
infez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:31:00 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mr. Icyfoxboye! Icyfoxboye is one word don't write one word
CapytannHook ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:25:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
New At-Ats Ned! In an open field!
jimboflux ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:52:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
THE JEDI IS PREGNANT!
crawfish2000 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:46:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is the 23 Jump Street that we deserve.
shoony43 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 03:18:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Say it with me: "merchandising"
inurshadow ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 02:18:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well it's been a while since Taubtauns and Ewoks. Bout time
Edit: it's staying.
stromdriver ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:56:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
taubtauns?
inurshadow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:02:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I miss that show so much. The good doctor isn't the same.
Englishly ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:02:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like Chewy caught one!
manslayer22 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:39:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would buy the fuck out of that crossover game.
RemnantEvil ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:21:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That new AT-AT design looks like it's straight out of Zoids. Just a touch too much Iron Kong in that.
ikanisafish ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:19:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ice vulpix/glaceon spotted there, gotta catch 'em all
UnlimitedBoxSpace ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:26:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gotta sell that merchandise
duggtodeath ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:26:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
God, I am getting Return of the Jedi PTSD now. More cute furry things to market to us. Oh no...is Lucas back? Is he the phantom menace?
Mundon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:06:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqOlizS__SY
SaguaroAD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:16:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pop... Popplio!
UNC_Samurai ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:31:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
These great ball throws...too accurate for sand trainers. Only Imperial gyms are so precise.
2u3e9v ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:11:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm digging it
RandomRedditor44 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:19:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What?
JakeM917 ยท 2324 points ยท Posted at 02:02:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
โIโve seen this much raw power only once before. It didnโt scare me enough then. It does now.โ
Chills.
DrJonesPHD62 ยท 977 points ยท Posted at 02:40:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who could he be referring to, do you think?
Kylo Ren? Yoda? Vader? The Emperor? Himself? Lucas did say at one point that Luke was the most powerful canonical Jedi, after all. Maybe that's why he's in seclusion; his own raw power with the Force grew beyond his control and he's unfit to teach someone as powerful as Rey if he can't control his own powers.
Marsdreamer ยท 1767 points ยท Posted at 02:52:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Either Kylo or Vader, but I'm guessing Vader due to the famous line in Episode
VIV;Luke: "I'm not afraid."
Yoda: "You will be... You will be."
Edit: I can't count.
motorheadluke ยท 404 points ยท Posted at 03:06:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's a very good point... I think you are right.
Schnidler ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 08:52:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But Vaders power wasnt really raw at the time Luke saw it, was it?
Tesrab ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 11:44:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Vader's powers never really got honed. They were always a bit wild. I mean in the end he was still the guy who beat Palpatine, so even nearing death he was more powerful than Luke who got his ass handed to him by Palpatine. Daddy steps in and says I got this and throws the fucker off a ledge.
UNSKIALz ยท 370 points ยท Posted at 03:19:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Surely it's Ren? Referring back to how such power ended up betraying him at the academy he taught Ren at.
He thought he could guide such power but he knows better now. That seems to be the message.
Prophet_Of_Helix ยท 68 points ยท Posted at 05:37:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. People are reading waaaay too much into this thinking itโs Vader. Yes Vader was strong, but even in the original trilogy Luke goes toe to toe with him in the end and ends up beating him. Vaderโs also been dead for years at this point, and Luke definitely feared Vader during the OT trilogy.
Itโs referring to Kylo, who obviously has a past with Luke that we just havenโt learned about yet, and who had already done things weโve never seen before (like literally stop a laser bolt in mid air and pull thoughts from an acidly resisting human).
Luke didnโt respect Kyloโs raw ability, and something happened to turn him to the dark side. Idk why people always need some crazy twist to be satisfied. Thatโs a really solid story already and I would love to see it fleshed out. We still have no idea what made Han and Leiaโs son, who was likely trained by Luke, turn to the dark side.
zegma ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 08:06:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We did see Vader catch and return a laser bolt in rogue one however. So he was capable of it "before" kylo technically.
Revanull ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 11:15:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also, he deflects/blocks bolts with his bare hands in ESB on bespin
Emilo2712 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 13:20:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Bare"
irrelevantsociallife ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 15:17:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Hands"
Caelestialis ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:14:48 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
โWithโ
Prophet_Of_Helix ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 12:19:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To be slightly pedantic Id call those more deflections than the extended freeze and absentminded hold that Kylo did.
Regardless, and more importantly, Luke wouldnโt have been aware really of anything that Vader did in Rogue One; certainly not first hand anyways. He wasnโt even aware of the force until a third of the way through episode 4, and wasnโt in any position to judge power levels until over halfway through 5.
Do it would really weird for him to say that phrase from the trailer regarding Vader and not Kylo.
bonage045 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:51:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Vader also force chokes a dude on a completely different cruiser while holding a conversation.
one_armed_herdazian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:43:06 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't think Luke knew about that, but still one of the coolest Vader feats
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:10:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed. Just the term "raw power" makes it seems obvious, to me anyway, that it is Ren. Luke saw Vader as a very disciplined Jedi, not one learning to derive potential from raw power, the way a young Jedi at an academy would.
Obviously Vader had that raw power; it just wasn't raw anymore when he first met Luke.
wangzorz_mcwang ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:20:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Vader stopped bolts in RO.
jazzarchist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i agreeeeeee
Syphon8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:24:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke absolutely does not defeat Vader.
Vader kills himself defeating palpatine...
Prophet_Of_Helix ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:55:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For all intents and purposes, Luke defeats Vader. He doesnโt kill him, but he could have. He fully overpowered and disabled Vader in single combat, and only didnโt kill him for reasons unrelated to the physical combat itself.
Syphon8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:23:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He overpowered and disabled him so much that Vader still had the strength to kill the most powerful force user of all time.
Sidious definitely would have killed Luke if Vader hadn't intervened.
Vader gave up because he couldn't kill Luke.
Prophet_Of_Helix ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 00:07:13 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is taking being pedantic to an entirely new level man. Have you even watched the movie or did you just read a synopsis?
Luke chopped Vaderโs fucking sword hand off and beat him down to the point where Sidious and Luke could have a lengthy pause as Sidious tried to talk Luke into killing Vader as Vader literally sat crouched over, motionless, defeated.
And Vader killed Sidious by blind siding him when he least expected it and threw him down a pit in one fluid motion, whereapon he sat back down and fucking died.
i_am_hyzerberg ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 03:39:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think thatโs what they want you to think...which is why we shouldnโt think that.
KyloRen147 ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 06:11:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not everything is a misdirection.
We know Luke blames himself for Ben and he hadn't scared hm then. Pushed him too far,
Mark Hamill said that he thought Ben was the Chosen One and was wrong.
It implies while teaching Rey, that he experienced it when teaching other students, such as Ben Solo.
UsualAccountName ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 06:24:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Username checks out
KyloRen147 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:17:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nothing to do with username but common sense.
The_True_Zephos ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:04:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They are gas lighting us!
BrooklynNets45 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:33:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Assuming he tried to teach the way the prequels did and Ren betrayed him then and now going more of a Yoda type of Teaching
Ladnil ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 05:53:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He tried to teach Kylo the old Jedi way, failed, ends up trying something different with Rey, so she's not a Jedi and the movie's title refers to Luke.
IronYax ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:48:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
this sounds good actually
[deleted] ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 04:10:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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TheNerdyOne_ ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 04:34:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But why would Luke be scared of it? He ended up defeating "Vader" and restoring Anakin to the light side. Nothing that happened would be the cause of any fear.
DapperChapXXI ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 05:17:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He didn't defeat Vader. In fact, it was painfully obvious he couldn't. Lord Vader ended up converting to the rebel mindset, committed regicide, and basically killed himself in the process. All Luke did to "defeat" Lord Vader was be born, do things for a couple decades, then eventually get beaten within an inch of his life by his distant father until his father couldn't take it anymore. If Vader hadn't that moment of pause, Luke would've been dead and that'd be it.
dynamictype ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 12:23:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke cut off Vaderโs hand and was poised to strike him down. It was the emperor who took Luke down, not Vader.
spoopypoptartz ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 05:43:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's actually really weird that Darth maul is the only sith Lord in the movies that was defeated when not holding back. All the others were holding back for one reason or another. Palpatine told Dooku to hold back in episode 3, and Vader held back in both episodes 5 and 6.
But yeah in other words, luke has never seen Vader's true power. Leia has first hand in the comics in the Vader Down series when he took on a whole army by himself though.
skywayz ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:30:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How was he holding back in episode 6? Itโs been awhile
spoopypoptartz ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 06:46:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You have to read between the lines a bit. But knowing how powerful Vader is in both continuities it's implied that he was simply holding back just because luke was getting to him. He was taunting Luke and Luke didn't gain the upper hand until he snapped. Also, he wasn't as offensive as he was in episode 5.
wangzorz_mcwang ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:29:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ummmmm, what are you talking about?
Palpatine wanted a test of Anakin and Dooku, a Sith, knew this and wasnโt just playing around with his own.
Donโt let your head canon appear as canon.
spoopypoptartz ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 10:52:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In the novelization of episode 3, palpatine tells Dooku to hold back on Anakin and to kill obi-wan right before obi-wan and Anakin enter the room.
Unless the novelization isn't canon anymore.
wangzorz_mcwang ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:52:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting. Makes no sense tho, considering the Sith philosophy.
spoopypoptartz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:46:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah the prequels tend to be contradictory lol
Male_strom ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:48:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Darth Mule
TheNerdyOne_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:38:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's exactly it though, he defeated Vader by seeing the good within him and restoring Anakin to the light. Vader being physically more powerful is irrelevant in this case, there's still no reason for Luke to be afraid of his power.
Kylo, on the other hand...
ColombianHugLord ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 04:48:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah it being Vader doesn't make sense. Everybody wants to read so much into it and talk about "misdirection" but it's almost definitely the obvious thing. He's talking about Kylo or maybe he had another great student. Right after he says it they show him reaching out of the rubble and the next shot is him watching the Jedi temple burn. It's Kylo Ren.
When1nRome ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 05:14:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Plot twist its another jedi/sith and kylo and rey have to team up to beat it
ColombianHugLord ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 06:04:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would actually be really cool. I had a sort of similar thought when I threw in the idea of it being another great student of Luke's other than Kylo. It would be a really cool twist or reveal if Kylo wasn't the reason things fell apart with the new Jedi academy. And with Luke's quote from the teaser about it being time for the Jedi to end, it would be kind of awesome to see something unexpected like that happen.
Bandit2794 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 08:41:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Double plot twist. It's Snoke and Luke is the one who released him.
When1nRome ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 08:47:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Triple plot twist, snoke knew jarjar has been negging the universe and made kylo to defeat him, and luke also knows its jarjar
Bandit2794 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:50:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Quadruple plot twist, when Jar Jar "crashin Dr bosses hey blubber" it actually was a lever that released Snoke.
The second empire Jar Jar started without knowing.
wangzorz_mcwang ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:27:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke IS jar jar.
When1nRome ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:42:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Im just a luke playing a snope playing jar jar.
IronYax ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:45:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yeah but as the temple is burning, whose robot hand is that coming out of the debris?
ColombianHugLord ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:10:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke's. We see his robot hand multiple times through the trailer.
IronYax ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:19:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He was looking at himself?
ColombianHugLord ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:27:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's in rubble separate from the main temple, climbs out, walks towards the temple and finds it on fire.
IronYax ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:17:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just watched it again, you're right. I remembered the order of those scenes incorrectly.
ColombianHugLord ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:51:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought that might be what you were thinking. That happens to me all the time.
IronYax ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:01:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for understanding. How about a hug?
ColombianHugLord ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:30:30 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bring it in, bro.
doesntaffrayed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:19:12 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, obviously.
Tesrab ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 11:47:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Could be Palpatine. Luke beat Vader only to get beat by Palpatine, who was then beat by Vader.
Edit. I don't think either is referring to Rey or Ren, but Palpatine and Snoke. Luke went after Palpatine with all the gusto and arrogance of youth only to lose.
TheNerdyOne_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:58:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Still not really a ton of reason to be scared, and Luke never even witnessed Palpatine's raw power.
Where as with Kylo, he not only had plenty of opportunity to witness that power (which we know Kylo has), but also a very good reason to be scared of it. Seems pretty obvious.
TheIroquoisPliskin ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:35:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He may have never witnessed the full extent of Palpatine's power, but I imagine Luke's confrontation with him at the end of VI was rather..shocking.
Bandit2794 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 08:47:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's definitely Ren, but if you want what I believe is a more fitting second choice, it's Snoke.
After Jedi, Snoke calls out to Luke as he does to Palatine, Luke finds him but doesn't fear him after all he's been through and released him. Snoke betrays Luke but is too weak to destroy him, turns Kylo.
Luke started the war that killed his students, his best friend, and inevitably his sister because he arrogantly released Snoke believing he was powerful enough to stop him.
unholysmoke ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 07:59:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah totally this. Why would he describe his own dad as having 'raw power'? By the time Luke met him Vader had all kinds of control, there was nothing raw about him. Except his skin I guess. Definitely talking about Ren who busted up his Jedi Academy.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:59:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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one_armed_herdazian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:48:02 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's unique in that his mental powers are incredibly strong, but not necessarily the physical ones. He lost a fight against two completely untrained people, but could also extract information directly from the mind of an actively resisting adversary and put a powerful Force-user to sleep with ease. I think he's powerful in a much more subtle way than most Force-users we've seen.
TheKing30 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:28:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It makes sense that he'd go into isolation after what happened if he was so scared of what he saw
doesntaffrayed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:21:01 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck this shit, you guys are on your own.
Mikhail512 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:37:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you go by this trailer, then you're probably going to have a bad time. I suspect there's about zero chance that any of what we saw can be successfully placed in the movie with the context we've been given here, aside from maybe her handing Luke his lightsaber.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:32:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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wangzorz_mcwang ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:32:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He trained him. Even Leia says it in TFA....
dbingz ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 03:44:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like itโs Kylo. I donโt think he would have described Vaderโs power as โrawโ.
Charlie_Wax ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 04:51:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You underestimate his power.
SuperCoolGuyMan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:31:39 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know. Kylo still seems like he has a very long way to go before really harnessing his power though.
Eve_Neffs ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 03:20:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I sorta respond to this in an above comment, but I think he's referring to himself, while that dialogue refers to facing Vader, it could well be his own power he now refers to. He is after all the most powerful jedi.
ColombianHugLord ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:57:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The problem with this is we've seen everyone's displays of power. We know we never saw Luke with some amazing display of the Force (I don't think his blowing up the Death Star was a show of raw power), the most amazing display he's seen in the original trilogy was Vader throwing the Emperor over a ledge as the Emperor fired lightning at him and that ranks right above Yoda lifting the X Wing on Degobah and Obi Wan turning into a pile of clothes and in each of those situations he either was scared or didn't have a reason to be scared. The quote literally only makes sense if he saw an amazing display of the Force and was happy about it, then later found out it was a bad thing. Especially considering he is referencing it while teaching Rey, someone untrained in the Force, to be a Jedi.
fogershot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:50:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure you could count Luke being electrocuted by the Emperor as the most powerful Force feat in the OT
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:11:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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daMagistrate67 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 04:27:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Could have been, perhaps, though even that is up for debate. It's pretty well accepted that Vader never reached his potential before being put in the suit and getting his power level hard capped.
I also think it's canon that Luke is the most powerful Jedi - not sure where I read it, but it makes sense canonically, even if we didn't get to see much of his badassery in the originals. Perhaps this new movie will show us this.
thebutterycanadian ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 05:26:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke was Force Jesus back in the Legends continuity, but we have no idea how strong he is in the Disney canon
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:39:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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thebutterycanadian ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 05:25:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pre-suit Vader had off the charts potential, but his power never actually reached that cap. Post-suit Vader, from what we've seen from the books, comics, and Rogue One, is much more powerful than Anakin was but has a lower power ceiling.
Think of their power like:
Anakin 5/10 Vader 7/8
Anakin could've reached a 10 eventually, but got burned to a maximum of 8
flapsmcgee ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:04:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Obi-Wan went to go fight Anakin because Palpatine was too powerful for him. Only Yoda could take him. Anakin was never the most powerful Jedi.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:30:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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flapsmcgee ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:54:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree Anakin was more powerful than Obi-Wan, but not more powerful than Yoda or Palpatine. Obi-Wan wanted to go fight Palpatine because 'Anakin was like a brother.' Yoda wouldn't let him fight Palpatine because he knew he would get his ass kicked.
https://youtu.be/hwCeUYRRoRU?t=123
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:45:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have you seen the Mortis episodes of TCW?
Gangster_Gandhi ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:00:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That episode is fucking gnarly. I love it.
tang81 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:42:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That dialog in ESB doesn't refer to Vader it refers to Luke and his own training.
https://youtu.be/i3jI3RrMsVI
saddit ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:54:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good point. By the way the line is in Episode V.
blatantspeculation ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:22:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or Snoke maybe, we still don't know his deal.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:47:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My money is on Snoke being a fraud
TheEngine ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:35:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Remember, though, that that entire conversation was about training HIM. He wasn't afraid of training to become a Jedi. It had nothing to do with Vader.
My guess is that he's spooked about his journey as a Force user. He has control of himself, but he doesn't want to put another powerful Force user on that path, especially where the seductive power of the Dark Side is in play.
trogdorBURN ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:58:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
100% Kylo
your_mind_aches ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:09:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Vader didn't necessarily display a huge amount of raw power when they fought though. I'm gonna guess that he's talking about himself.
When1nRome ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:21:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think that also takes in account of special effects at the time, he was powerful but they didnt have neat cgi etc to show it i mean, look at the light saber battles ..kinda..old
Roskal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:30:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't make much sense to be Vader though.
diggerB ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:31:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
V
RobbieMac97 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:07:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except he beat Vader, so he at least matched him in power. Kylo destroyed everything, and in the trailer, was referred to as extremely powerful just seconds before.
Comrade__Questions ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:37:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That line was in Episode V, not VI.
vensamape ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting, I always liked seeing how The OT can seamlessly blend itself into the ST. For the record, I think the PT blends in real smooth into the OT.
handsomewolves ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:12:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe Vader. The trailer cuts to a buring pyre that's Luke's buried under. Kinda a juxtaposition with Vader being burned at the end of VI.
stagfury ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No way, Anakin pre-Mustafar had the potential the be the greatest of all time but at that point is weaker than even Obi Wan.
Vader is stronger in actual power than Anakin, but has a much much much lower ceiling than what Anakin could have achieved if he was never maimed. And he's nowhere near Sheev's powers.
So if it's not Kylo Ren/Luke himself, the only reasonable choice is the Emperor.
ShadowPhoenix22 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:34:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Episode II, technically ;)
A_Charmandur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:04:41 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm going to say this, I think he's trying to convince Kylo that he is on the path to "Vaderdom". I don't think he actually sees Kylo as being as powerful, its definitely Rey he wants, but Kylo is the means-to-an-end for Snoke. He just has to convince Kylo that he is the next Vader until he gets his deformed hands on Rey.
Male_strom ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:47:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But.....he did become afraid at the end of that movie.
By contrast he wasn't afraid of the Emperor who demonstrated he had greater power than Vader.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:16:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Marsdreamer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:29:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She could be... She could be.
But, actually, I don't know if there are any more prophecies and chosen ones. That was Anakin's story, this seems a totally different direction.
Jayson_d333 ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 03:07:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo I would think. He didnโt take caution in the power kylo had and got stabbed in the back because of it. I think he is scared that Rey may do the same.
Jorhiru ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:25:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, for sure. My take is that, thematically, there's no misdirection at all - two masters in the force are speaking to and preparing to train their star pupils. Snoke is building Ren up, reminding him of his power and, at the end, reminding him of his destiny as a user of the dark side of the Force. Luke, on the other hand, is all but consumed by doubt and regret. He won't train Rey, he can't - it's too dangerous (sound familiar?). The last bit is symbolism, and it's what will bring Luke around: no matter the danger, if he doesn't try to guide Rey, she will end up finding guidance elsewhere - and ultimately that presents a greater risk than turning her away.
itaveL ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 03:02:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel it was Vader because he was young and naive (in the forcE) when he fought him in a power battle. In Return, his duel with Vader was more mental, as he wasn't trying to defeat him but convert him instead.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:50:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At first I thought it was Vader but by the time Luke encountered him Vader was crippled. Now donโt get me wrong even a crippled Darth Vader was powerful (almost any other Jedi/Sith in his condition would be force blind). But Lucas once said Yoda was a 100 Anikin a 200 Sidious and Luke 150 and Vader 75.
I would assume Luke is talking about either Kylo or Darth Sidious
though I believe the Emperor hid his power during that confrontation until the end and Luke may not have much appreciation for the powers of the Emperor while being blasted by force lightning.
Dallywack3r ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 03:07:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo is the only one of those whose power could even remotely be called โrawโ
DrJonesPHD62 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 03:08:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it was meant to be "raw power" as an expression of strength, not of quality, but I agree.
PreciousRoy666 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:49:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's literally called raw in the trailer, assuming Snoke is speaking to him
Staggerlee024 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:36:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He is speaking to Rey
abagofdicks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:18:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How is Lukeโs not? Kylo was known from birth and molded.
Buttcheekllama ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 03:22:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think he could be talking about the Emperor before and Snoke now.
PSI_Rockin_Omega ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 03:01:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He very well could be talking about Rey.
DrJonesPHD62 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:02:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I meant the power that didn't scare him. Not the power that does.
PSI_Rockin_Omega ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:08:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, indeed.
maxvsthegames ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:12:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably Kylo, since he was his student.
Didn't Kylo killed all of his other student or something like that? And created the knights of Ren after that.
DrJonesPHD62 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:13:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So we've been led to believe. A lot of that, as far as I'm aware, is just audience inference. It isn't really stated explicitly anywhere in the movie so it may not be completely true.
Eve_Neffs ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:19:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like to think he's referring to himself, and how he was unprepared when he started on this journey. His rush to face Vader, his rush to master his Jedi powers. While it's no longer considered canon, much of the expanded universe after Return of the Jedi showcases more of his rush to understand and master the force, his first school, Kyp Durran... for much of his young adult life, until a decade or so after rotj was him not fully understanding the immensity of his power and the mysteries of the force.
So yeah I think he's referring to his own missteps along the path of the jedi. His power was so strong (as you said in Lucas's comments to his power as a Jedi), that he never questioned or truly worried about it until it was too late, hence his seclusion now.
Lined_em_up ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:54:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Chewy
DrJonesPHD62 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:43:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Makes sense.
WhoTookPlasticJesus ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:46:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well since at the beginning Snoke uses the same "raw power" term I assume it's Kylo Ren. There's no way they would have that dialogue echo in the movie (let alone a trailer) if they weren't referencing the same thing.
I guess there's an outside chance the Snoke knew Vader and is also talking to Rey, but that seems hackneyed.
embiidgoat ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:39:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i think he's speaking of palpatine and comparing rey, since (i think) that's her lineage (and would explain her british accent)
Kleemin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yea he didn't fear Palpy, then Palpy zapped his naive ass with 1.21 jigawatts and fried some respect into his teeth
EONS ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:20:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's referring to himself, and his failures.
huntersam13 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:12:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Vader before, Rey now
Spodermayne ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:56:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If it's not Vader I'm going to be upset. Vader was literally a prophetic, born-of-a-virgin force that both ended the Republic and the Empire. If Kylo is supposed to be somehow stronger than him just to add tension to the new film (like star-killer base had to be bigger than the death star) it'll be disappointing.
ericwdhs ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:37:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think Kylo and Rey having more raw potential than Anakin could work, but it depends on how well they extend the existing lore to explain it. Yoda, Palpatine, and Vader were some of the most powerful Force users to ever exist, and they all died around the same time leaving quite a large Force-sensitivity vacuum. Kylo and Rey were born within a few years after that and their power might be the result of the Force trying to fill it. It has a "will" after all, and I don't think The Force Awakens has really earned its title yet.
Also, being the Chosen One doesn't mean Anakin has to be the most powerful Force user ever. His importance has more to do with his actions than anything else. He more or less destroyed the Jedi Order, the Sith Order, the Republic, and the Empire. No one else is going to touch that level of influence.
AssCrackBanditHunter ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:44:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He was 50% force DNA and had more midichlorians than anybody. Anakin and luke are definitely top tier
ericwdhs ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:33:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, he's obviously top tier. I'm just saying that other people reaching that level after Anakin's gone doesn't break the narrative.
Also, assuming the Darth Plagueis story is true, Anakin was created as an unnatural manipulation of the Force. One of the big themes of Star Wars is the natural triumphing over the unnatural, so I don't think it's crazy for the natural to be able to match what became Anakin. According to Lucas, Luke has the same potential as Anakin despite some dilution of his "force DNA" so I think that could be evidence of that.
stationhollow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:07:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think Rey is essentially another Anakin however they do it. She is another "miracle" with levels of the charts.
jonovan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:55:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
George Lucas, unbridled from those holding him back during episodes 4 and 5, creating the ewoks in 6.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:09:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Vader.
It's very well established that Vader, in raw power, is easily, without question, the most powerful force user
CrestedPilot1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:17:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think he was talking about George Lucas before making of the prequels. Now he knows how scary such power can be if left unchecked.
GreyForce11 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:16:27 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hope Luke's power/mastery does not get diminished. Not sure how misleading the trailers may be but it seems like a completely different Luke from the version who allowed the force to guide him to confront Vader/Palpatine and come out on top. Now he is hiding away and fearful? Leia's force abilities are already basically written off. Anakin's children with a twins connection could have accomplished so much...
NullificationX ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:19:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's obvious that The Emperor is who he's referring too. Luke, in VI was willing to die in the belief that he was doing the right thing, not joining the dark side. He's already had one failed student, now he has an even more unstable student, plop, right into his lap. (hence him being much more afraid.) I really like the idea of Rey being a Palpatine. It would be a nice twist. It's always been the Skywalkers versus the Palpatines.
RHPR07 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:10:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just want to see a Palpy love story that really humanizes the Emperor.
Portatort ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:38:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Obviously Ben.
He saw how powerful Ben was but didnโt tread carefully enough
footfoe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:49:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Clearly were supposed to think its kylo. However, I don't think the line will even be in the movie.
EdmondDantesInferno ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:57:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's referring to Rey.
Seahawksroxmysox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:18:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I interpreted that as him feeling the same power in Rey as he did in Kylo Ren
BasonJolton ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:36:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right now I'm thinking that it could be Snoke. A lot of people are saying it's Kylo because of what happened to Luke's Jedi order, but I don't think he's that powerful. After all, he failed to tap into Rey's untrained mind. And Snoke and Kylo had to have met somehow. It makes sense to me that Snoke would've been involved in turning Kylo to the dark side, and would've helped him destroy the temple. Hence, Luke would have encountered him. Plus I think this would establish Snoke as being an even more menacing villian. Just my thoughts on the matter.
zackmanze ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:57:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The regret in his voice and what we infer happened to him makes the safe bet Kylo.
snesdreams ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:03:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think heโs gotta be talking about himself. As the son of Vader, the literal chosen one, heโs gotta have a lot of power, if not more. His reasoning is that if he, the most powerful force user weโve seen thus far, canโt train a dude like Kylo Ren without him being a bad guy, then he should just go into seclusion. GOD IM SO HYPED.
diachi_revived ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:15:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Could be Snoke, no?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:32:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's talking about Snoke.
Aequitassb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:27:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
100% Kylo.
Bexirt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:38:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Darth Vaduhhh
Citadel_Cowboy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:16:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm wondering who he's speaking about. Rey? Or Kylo through a flashback? It revealed many plot points, but I'm happy to have seen it. I am the excite.
throwaway_for_keeps ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:49:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm gonna go with the obvious choice of Luke not being afraid of Kylo before, but being afraid of Rey now.
But I don't think that ties into the theories about Luke knowing who Rey is. Because he's kind of talking to her like he doesn't know who she is. But those theories were about how Luke did know who she was and was responsible for dropping her off on Jakku.
jshemaly1999 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:05:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think he is referring to kylo since earlier in the trailer snoke talks about kylo's raw power and potential...
Ten_Godzillas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:41:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snoke.
Who should he have been afraid of? Darth Sideous? Darth Vader? *No. Fear The Dark Side"
Yoda's lesson was to fear the dark side, and its ability to corrupt people who seek power.
Who will he not underestimate this time?
Kylo? Kylo is his former student. Powerful, but nothing compared to Luke. He doesn't seem totally committed to the Dark Side yet. Kylo killed Han (Rey's Hero) in front of her. She might want revenge, but Kylo has little power to sway her. Think back to ROJ. "Strike him down and your journey to the dark side will be compleeetee".
Rey? He wouldn't be training Rey unless he was 100% positive she wouldn't turn to the dark side. He really doesn't want to make the same tragic mistake again.
This leads us to Snoke. Snoke corrupted Kylo. Snoke will try to corrupt Rey. My guess is that Snoke will offer Rey information on her parents, or will use that information to corrupt her.
stationhollow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:03:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think he is referring to Rey before whatever happened that ended with her on Jakku.
Lemerney2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:47:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jar jar binks.
Wild2098 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:53:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So, Snoke is Luke?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:33:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought he meant himself. It reminded me only of the scene in Return Of The Jedi where Luke let's his anger take control while fighting Vader.
mega512 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:57:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo for sure.
Dr_Romm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:17:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It has to be Kylo Ren right? I mean that makes sense more than anything.
Rickmundo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:26:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo, before he kills his pupils. It didn't scare him then, but with his PTSD it definitely does now
westsideozzie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:15:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs definitely Ben Solo he wasnโt afraid of, and Rey heโs afraid of now. Snoke also makes a reference to raw power.
Lukensz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Notice what Snoke says in the beginning of the trailer. Fairly sure it's Kylo.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
power
jazzarchist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:37:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i honestly think it makes more sense that it's kylo ren. like, obviously they're going in a direction with "the jedi is an inherently flawed institution" and it didn't hit luke until it took one of his pupils to massacre everyone. it just makes sense that luke FINALLY opens his eyes to how fucked up the jedi are and how easy it is to fall to the dark side when you live like that, how he SHOULD have feared such raw power, and he didn't, and he learned his lesson in the most painful way possible.
it shows luke still never learned anything until it was too late, which would account for his demeanor in everything we've seen so far.
i get that it harkens back to the line in empire about being afraid, but i think what makes that line so powerful here is that even after DECADES, he never listened to Yoda, and the end result is kylo ren's fall and his exile and everything between the new order and the resistance.
AllegoricalCrosstalk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:12:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's odd, because if it's referencing Kylo (which the trailer directly insinuates with the burning wreckage of his temple) then it absolutely should apply to Anakin, but if it's referencing Anakin then it's odd that it would apply to Rey and NOT Kylo, who has shown clearly in personality and in skill that he is truly Anakin's legacy.
I don't really get it haha.
EDIT: Oh wait, maybe I'm assuming that he's talking about Rey with his initial reference, and that's the point of discontinuity that's messing me up. If he's talking to Rey about some power that maybe Rey tells Luke Kylo has shown, Luke could be referencing Vader's infamous "I'm not afraid of you - You will be" line targeted as his current fear of Kylo Ren.
I think that one makes the most sense
IronYax ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:33:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
my money is on palpatine, to be honest. At least it's what I hope
Holographic-Doctor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:06:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd say it's almost certainly Kylo.
The trailer begins with Snoke saying Kylo has "raw untamed power".
There is a clear history of Luke getting burned by Kylo going rogue.
The alternative, Vader, doesn't make much sense I don't think. Luke never really underestimated Vader, and even if he did, he didn't really get burned in a way that would lead to a comment like that in my opinion.
A_Bungus_Amungus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:35:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It has to be Kylo in my opinion. He said something along the lines of not fearing a power that great before, and Im 100% positive he feared Vader and Palpatine and never once underestimated them. And he wouldnt really fear yoda so. Kylo it is.
joecb91 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:58:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Since they seemed to be implying it to be raw and unrefined power, I think he was talking about Kylo instead of someone fully trained like Vader or Yoda.
And showing his hand coming out of the wreckage of what seemed to be the Jedi Temple.
UnderwaterDialect ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:23:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think Kylo for sure. It cuts to a scene of the academy being destroyed (though it could be a misdirect, of course).
Varaben ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:49:25 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What about Yoda screams "raw" power though? Has to be Kylo. He took on Kylo and couldn't control him.
hemareddit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:00:35 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Every time he takes a piss, all the ships in the system drop out of lightspeed.
ZilKal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:30 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why not Snoke? May be Snoke destroy the Jedi Academy. May be Rey is from the unknown region and the origin of her powers is link to Snoke.
And her parents left her on Jakku to protect her from Snoke.
Yustyn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:17:10 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I assumed he meant Rey as a child...
Khoryphos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:42:02 on October 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely Kylo. Snoke has been referring to Kylo's strength as "raw" since TFA. Maybe it's just a word choice, but I don't remember anyone else being described that way. Why that adjective? Disney has been really picky about their dialogue and this is the best choice narratively.
tinyturtletricycle ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:40:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's definitely Kylo. The whole point is that Luke feels guilty for screwing up Ben's training. He's saying that he isn't going to make the same mistake again.
Gizimpy ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 02:42:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well if it scares him, it would mean he has fear in him. Wonder if it leads to anger.
Cuchullion ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 03:15:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke was always a lot greyer than the other Jedi. It was his anger that let him beat Vader, after all.
And his Jedi training that let him turn from the dark side.
bacondev ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 02:45:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That look on his face when she cracked the mountain
HLAW8S ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:05:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Does or doesn't? Closed captioning said does.
JakeM917 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:06:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, meant does.
HLAW8S ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:06:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Phew.
PullmanWater ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:22:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The way he delivers that line is amazing. You can feel the fear.
byronotron ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:52:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mark Hamill is such an underrated actor. I really wish he'd had a more consistent career. That look he gives Rey is incredible.
whoa_whoawhoa ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:48:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if he's talking about Rey as a child?
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:09:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I imagine he's talking about Vader (once before) and comparing him to Snoke. I don't think Kylo or Rey would have the amount of raw power yet to scare Luke.
JakeM917 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:16:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We know that Luke is going to, at first, refuse to train Rey, so I imagine heโs saying Kylo was extremely gifted, but he wasnโt afraid enough and Kylo eventually destroyed his whole new Jedi order. Now he feels responsible for Kyloโs wrongdoings and sees the same situation with Rey, and this time refuses to train her because he doesnโt want to teach her to harness her powers just to turn to the Dark Side.
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 04:53:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uh
This is Disney and JJ Abrams. Girl power demands Rey be the strongest character in the history of Star Wars.
Randomwaves ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:26:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh please no. Please God no.
jarthan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:00:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rey is a Palpatine, confirmed
Assailant_TLD ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:25:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also legit there was never a more (potentially) powerful Jedi than Anakin soooo
redditdude500 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:26:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When Luke was talking about seeing raw power like this once before he meant Dagobah swamp Dark side cave. There is probably a place stronger on Ahch-To island that he's reluctant to enter. He's been waiting on Rey.
Also those white dogs/foxes are covered in salt. Not ice
jzagri ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:52:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"It didn't scare me enough then" talking about Kylo.
"It does now" talking about Rey.
Static_Unit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:38:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Assuming he's talking about Sidious?
JakeM917 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 02:40:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ben Solo
ScotTheDuck ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:52:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To put Kylo Ren on the same level as Palpatine is, honestly, a bit of a stretch. That's some Dragon Ball levels of power creep.
JakeM917 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 03:07:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No heโs saying Rey has amazing raw power, and the last time he saw that much raw power (Ben), he wasnโt scared enough. Now heโs scared of Reyโs power.
surfwax584 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:18:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He sure is, definitely talking to Rey
brassmonkeybb ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:14:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually I think he means overall (not just force) power, and he's comparing Palpatine and Snoke. He didn't appreciate the type of power Palpatine had and he will not make that mistake with Snoke. Maybe.
jewishbrick ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:21:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I kinda hope this is it honestly. I don't like the idea of Kylo or Rey being considered the most "raw power" he has seen. He lived in a time with Yoda, Sidious, Vader, Obi-wan... It would be weird comparing these legends to kids.
Richard-Cheese ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:06:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He could be using the term "raw" to mean untrained or undisciplined, not necessarily pure potential
JakeM917 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:20:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We know that Luke is going to, at first, refuse to train Rey, so I imagine heโs saying Kylo was extremely gifted, but he wasnโt afraid enough and Kylo eventually destroyed his whole new Jedi order. Now he feels responsible for Kyloโs wrongdoings and sees the same situation with Rey, and this time refuses to train her because he doesnโt want to teach her to harness her powers just to turn to the Dark Side.
brassmonkeybb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:30:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe.
sbowesuk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:51:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What Luke said wasn't in the context of "last time" though. He said "I've seen this raw strength only once before". Obviously that statement is drawing on his entire past, and therefore all force users he's seen Yoda, Vader, and Darth Sidious, who were all exceptional.
Does Ben Solo have more raw strength than the three characters named above? Nope, not even close imo. Even with some level of training, he couldn't match Rey, who had zero training. She actually got the better of him twice in TFA.
For this reason I don't think Ben Solo is the logical answer, and even if it were the answer, it would be (for me at least) a vastly underwhelming one.
sbowesuk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:25:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Considering Luke has encountered some exceptional force users in his past, like Yoda, Sidious, and Vader, I'm unconvinced that Ben is deserving of such praise, if TFA is anything to go by. He got curb stomped twice by Rey, who had zero training.
Luke referring to Sidious makes more sense to me. Perhaps The Last Jedi will make Kylo seem less weak this time around, but for the moment I remain unconvinced.
bteeter ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:24:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Emperor or Vader. Going with the Emperor. He didn't take him seriously and got fried up.
runninhillbilly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:26:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke's appearance and voice gave me a strong Gandalf vibe with that line.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:06:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Raw power as in a fully functioning battle station?
Stealthcutter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:10:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Opening dialogue, presumably Snoke: โ...Raw Powerโ
Luke later: โIโve seen this Raw Strength before...โ
Luke also: โit didnโt scare me enough then...it does now.โ
-Path to the Dark Side: fear>anger>hate>suffering
Begin speculating, you can.
mag1xs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:17:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kind of annoys me that Luke is scared of anything, he's supposed to be the strongest of them alllllllll.. I don't care if you are old Luke, you were the chosen one
swyx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:08:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo and Rey are related basically confirmed
killtr0city ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:06:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely referring to himself when he went all psycho on his dad. That was raw, unbridled hatred...
theivoryserf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:21:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
tfw u finally pick up ur power converters
SeacattleMoohawks ยท 4860 points ยท Posted at 02:00:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That ice fox thing was badass
fperrine ยท 1692 points ยท Posted at 02:05:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Engage Ahsoka speculation theories.
the_harden_trade ยท 1704 points ยท Posted at 02:15:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If Ahsoka shows up in any capacity I may pass out
The_torpedo ยท 797 points ยท Posted at 02:31:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They never did show who was sitting in the pilot's seat of the Falcon...............
[deleted] ยท 507 points ยท Posted at 03:01:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs gotta be lando
SummerInPhilly ยท 80 points ยท Posted at 03:48:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh please I wish
Dear_Occupant ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:12:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If Billy Dee Williams is in this film I'm gonna melt.
StarWarsStarTrek ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:44:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well hello. What have we here.
[deleted] ยท 63 points ยท Posted at 05:36:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Edit: Euron
Edeet: Revan
BittersweetHumanity ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 06:46:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude it's Bendaario
AuburnJunky ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:23:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its the actual Aegon Targaryen.
itskaiquereis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:55:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
fAegon?
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 12:22:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And he is wearing Han's clothes again!
Not only that, there is a hole in them like he recovered Han's body and decided to wear the exact outfit a lightsaber was put through.
Nerdinator2029 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 05:33:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's Mr System to you.
itspaddyd ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 07:51:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, whatta we have here? Proceeds to instakill everyone with power shot
Male_strom ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 08:40:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Lando system?
KenDefender ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:28:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's gonna be a larger Porg.
PorkSisigWithEgg ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:11:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I will instantly piss myself if so
newuser1717 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:04:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
holy shit could you imagine, people would lose their shit, me included.
Aeceus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The lando system?
Gamilon ยท 425 points ยท Posted at 02:55:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Staaaahhhp
londongarbageman ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 03:48:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She would be over 70 years old
MasterBridger ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 03:50:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What is the average life span of a Torgruta?
Spodermayne ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 03:53:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Normal human lifespan. Shaak Ti was 40 and pretty much looked it in RotS. Ahsoka was also 16 and looked it in TCW.
theluggagekerbin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:59:21 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Asoka was 16??? now I dont feel so good about myself and what I've done
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:43:39 on October 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't lewd the teen!
BigBlue725 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 04:20:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
About the same as your average appalachian unicorn
mtheory11 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 05:19:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Torgruta? No clue. Tortuga, on the other hand - exactly as long as it takes for the cartel to put your decapitated head on a tortoise.
theivoryserf ยท -15 points ยท Posted at 07:36:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
they're never going to add a cartoon character that nobody has heard of
londongarbageman ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 11:17:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except that they already did with Rogue One. Saw Gerrera is a character from Clone Wars.
Generic-username427 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:59:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not to mention chomp can be seen, they make an announcement asking for general sendula and you can see the ghost multiple times in the space battle
The_Raging_Goat ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 09:02:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You != everyone.
theivoryserf ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 09:03:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The mainstream audience has never heard or seen Ahsoka
LachlantehGreat ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 11:02:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not true. A lot of people watched those cartoons. There was lots of LEGO for her. Is that not mainstream?
armcie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:09:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If they're faced with a choice of adding a cartoon character that a few people have heard of, and making up a similar new character that literally no one has heard of, why not go for the cartoon character?
[deleted] ยท 146 points ยท Posted at 03:07:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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poopiepantsjunior ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 06:00:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would fuck me right up if Chewie ended up forgiving Kylo. The feels would be too real for life.
emberaith ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 09:31:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's unashamed grown man crying material right there.
Dear_Occupant ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:14:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My throat is getting all scratchy just thinking about it.
Jcit878 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 07:10:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
holy shit.. now that would be a moment
frostysbox ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:34:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course he would forgive Kylo. Kylo is still, after all, Han's son. And Han had forgiven him right before he died.
I'm still on the train that Han possibly did it himself, to save Kylo from actually killing him.
ZarduHasselfrau ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:53:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was actually Harrison Ford who did it for Kylo. And then he hauled ass off the set and refused to come back so they had to just roll with it.
Cobaltplasma ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 07:51:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Damn... I would guess, if that were true, that Chewie would die in IX sacrificing himself to save Kylo as he couldn't to save Han....
drunkmom ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 12:56:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He does die in the book Vector Prime saving Han and Leia's son Annakin. I'm not sure if that's cannon, EU, or whatever but it would be an interesting nod to the books.
Cobaltplasma ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:28:36 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah interesting...... hmmm.... I mean, they've been pulling in some EU stuff, Thrawn was the one I was thinking of as the most prominent, but it would be an interesting element to bring into the cinematic universe.
Like Han's spirit living on through Chewie, just enough to protect his boy...
Haggisn ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:18:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This actually sounds possible, holy shit
luckjes112 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 10:59:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly?
That'd be really cool!
I'm worried that this will turn into another redemption story, which this series has plenty of.
If instead Rey joins the First Order or if Kylo leaves in some capacity, perhaps as a double agent or something.
With redemption story I mean that the entire story is about turning Kylo back to the Light. If he runs away from the First Order realizing the mistake he's made, it can both imply just how fearsome the First Order is and it can be a nice switcharoo.
JediMasteRD21 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:44:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs like poetry
Cod_Metal_King ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 09:48:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think Chewbacca would take help off Kylo, but could quite easily see Chewie saving his best friend's son.
kaian-a-coel ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:58:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think Kylo would be offering help in that interpretation. He'd be asking for it.
CreepyMosquitoEater ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:24:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You really think he would forgive him for murdering his best bud
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:31:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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CreepyMosquitoEater ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:33:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
After he saw him push the sword into Han, he instantly took a shot at him, attempting to kill him though
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:03:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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CreepyMosquitoEater ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:03:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not about life ending actions
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:22:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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CreepyMosquitoEater ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:47:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Alright i can see that i suppose
Ralod ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 03:14:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She would be around 70. 94 was the average lifespan in Legends for Togruta.
So possible.
OSUTechie ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 03:42:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe Jedi can have longer life spans then than normal.
x2040 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:11:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hear Sith can live even longer.....
OSUTechie ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:36:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but some would call that ability... unnatural.
MeatTornado25 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 04:29:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
More than possible. That's a quarter-century of wiggle room, so it's not even borderline. She could definitely still be kicking around causing trouble at 70. Big difference between 70s and 90s.
Not that I think there's even a 1% chance she's in this trilogy.
simthembile ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 03:47:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
3 Porgs stacked on top of each other.
tinyturtletricycle ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 06:34:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But the bottom two are hidden by a trenchcoat. And the one on top has a fedora and sunglasses.
James12052 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 03:26:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's Jason Bourne.
thrownormal ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 05:19:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just assumed that would be Poe. Seems like a natural fit.
TerraTF ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:16:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
90% chance it's Luke.
throwaway_for_keeps ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:45:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a bunch of porgs stacked on top of each other, wearing a trenchcoat to make people believe it's human.
rjoseba ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:04:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://imgur.com/gallery/jvYe9yd
Cloudy_mood ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:24:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would fucking rule.
fperrine ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 02:17:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In a good way or a bad way? lol
the_harden_trade ยท 94 points ยท Posted at 02:24:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://imgur.com/gallery/98Ml1
fperrine ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 02:27:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Damn, that's an awesome answer to my question.
pahnub ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:29:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
DUDE! That's awesome! Lucky you!
MeLovesMe ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:29:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am so jealous right now
the_harden_trade ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 02:32:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I should probably make a post out of it at some point. Snuck backstage after Filonis panel to get his signature, he ended up drawing a picture in virtual darkness in about 15 seconds
MeLovesMe ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:32:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did you get a picture with him?
the_harden_trade ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:34:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, like I said it was so dark but I wanted to badly. I did get a picture with Ashley. Celebration was incredible.
MeLovesMe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:35:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really hope there will be one in Philadelphia. I would 100% go because it is only an hour away from me.
greyjackal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:43:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Was that London's last year? I didn't see Ashley at anything in Orlando.
the_harden_trade ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:10:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Orlando. Yea Ashley made a couple appearances at the official SW gift shop, but I caught her at the Ahsoka Lives photoshoot. She signed alot there.
greyjackal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:16:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah ok. I was mainly at panels
grantiscool ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:31:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me too my friend. Me too! Ahsoka = #1
Richard-Cheese ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:59:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But they haven't shown her in any capacity in the films. She's a stranger to the audience who have only seen the movies. That'd be a pretty tough character to shoehorn in, since she should've been a major part of either the prequels or originals if she hadn't been written in after the fact
the_harden_trade ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 04:01:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
U just need a cameo. Freaking forest Whittaker played a clone wars character.
wadeishere ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:07:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It would take less than a minute, maybe seconds, for a character, like Luke, to explain to another character(Rey) and the audience briefly who she was
Richard-Cheese ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:39:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean you can exposition your way out of almost any situation, but it would still be jarring and confusing to suddenly reveal that Anakin had an apprentice that had never been referenced or even alluded to in the movies. It'd be similar if they revealed Obi Wan had a wife and children during the events of the OT but it wasn't revealed until it was convenient for the plot 30 years later. The big Darth Vader reveal in Empire was successful because they still had a huge air of mystery around the Star Wars universe and hadn't exposed every facet of it yet
WreckyHuman ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 09:05:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Clone Wars were long.
And you can never convince me that a Star Wars fan that wants to know every detail of the franchise like that hasn't watched the cartoon in all these years.
For a casual watcher like my mom that doesn't know English, she doesn't even care who any of the characters are.
outofunity ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:44:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If Ahsoka shows up in any capacity I owe my friend 3 six packs.
Kangadru ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:14:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AhSnokea
pileatedloon ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:37:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same. Favorite character in the Star Wars universe.
UnknownQTY ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:41:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
โYou guys call that a lightsaber fight?โ
They havenโt established in new canon how old Togruta live to.
ddifi66126 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:28:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Will be the best Star Wars ever, then.
Awesomender ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:43:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would lose it. Hopes are set too high now, thanks.
LindyNet ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:16:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I will wear pearls so that I can clutch them if she shows up.
Rollingprobablecause ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:02:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I will lose my shit
xvandamagex ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:08:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly I will squeal like baby pig.
jacenat ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:11:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Plot twist: Luke is a red herring and Rey is gonna be trained by Ahsoka in the ways of the Bendu.
Comrade__Questions ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:35:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Umm. How can I say this.
If you watch Star Wars Rebels...you already know Ahsoka's fate with a very high level of certainty.
the_harden_trade ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:01:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We are watching a different show then my friend
pintvricchio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:33:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't sje dead?
the_harden_trade ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:39:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ahsoka Lives
pintvricchio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:52:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have not seen rebels, but doesn't it ends with her going to her death against vader?
the_harden_trade ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:54:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If u actually watch the scene she very clearly walks away into a cave. The showrunner has made said her return may be Gandalfian I that she may not be what she was
tang81 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:29:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do we want to know what a 70 year old Ahsoka looks like?
the_harden_trade ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:32:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In EU average lifespan of Togruta was 94 years. No canonically established lifespan. Way more likely Ahsoka get a nod in some prequel down the line, but someone mentioned it, and I mentioned I would die
tang81 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:25:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would love to see her on the big screen. We need some closure to her character.
mag1xs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:15:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
hnggggg
cloud9brian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:05:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No joke, if there's ever a live action Ahsoka in any movie I may have mini stroke (the brain kind you filthy moof milkers)
Cameron-Ohara ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:53:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ahsoka is Phasma
Savage47 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:23:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, its not a may. I will absolutely pass out.
Hansolo312 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 04:43:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If Ahsoka shows up in any capacity I may Barf.
bdez90 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 12:30:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If she shows up in any capacity I'd stop watching SW forever
MasterBridger ยท 81 points ยท Posted at 02:10:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Engage Ezra is Snoke theories
scalebirds ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:55:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, who's Roger?!
DantheHam ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 02:21:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ahsoka is Snoke
seraph1337 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 02:27:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ahsnokea?
DantheHam ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:27:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh god, you're a genius ๐ฐ
IronMarauder ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:37:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Whatever gave snoke all that damage also gave him a sex change
HDigity ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 02:15:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Ahsoka Lives!" shirt = AHSOKA'S A WOLF GUYS
The_torpedo ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:32:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thought just struck me - what if she's not a wolf, but she controls them?
HDigity ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 02:36:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ahsoka's a secret Stark confirmed?
JanMichaelVincent16 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:59:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck, is this a possibility?
HDigity ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:00:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nope, thank the force, Filoni himself shot that theory down.
wings31 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:12:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
explain?
fperrine ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 02:16:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There have been some theories in regards to Ahsoka returning as a wolf in the next season of Rebels.
I_DONT_HAV_H1N1 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 02:18:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thatโs already been shut down by Dave Filoni though.
fperrine ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 02:18:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Won't stop people from perpetuating the thought, though.
thejawa ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:22:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dave's drawings are what sparked it in the first place
wings31 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:23:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
that'd be weird.
fperrine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:25:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, stranger things have happened in Star Wars. I don't particularly believe them, but it's fun to joke.
Chisstastic ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:39:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm out of the loop. What does Ahsoka have to do with an ice fox-ish creature? Is that something from the Ahsoka book? I keep meaning to read that but haven't gotten around to it yet.
ETA: Never mind, I see the explanation further downthread. I'm behind on Rebels too. /shame
goldenkeyman ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:28:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Goodness that would be soooo cool if she made an appearance at some point
terriblehuman ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:57:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iโd love if they had her voice during a vision scene.
TheBigCon4800 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:51:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i will fucking scream if she shows up
stevevecc ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:04:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I never watched any of the animated stuff, why do people have a chub for Ahsoka?
fperrine ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:10:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Her character starts off rather annoying, but she grows on you and Anakin. She goes through a lot, earns herself her own book and appears in Rebels. She's a long-running character that people have come to enjoy.
Hubers57 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:14:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Disengage disengage!
bionix90 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:15:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
IT'S AHSOKA!
JamesLLL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, why? I don't remember anything like that.
ZebZ ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 02:15:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Watch the season 4 trailer for Rebels. It features a wolf type creature prominently, and people were speculating that somehow Ahsoka became a shapeshifter.
Hawvy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:12:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not yet...
ManCowBear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:06:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
what does Ahsoka have to do with the ice fox?
elspiderdedisco ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:45:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hello, can you explain the fox / ahsoka connection to someone who's never seen rebels?
jayhawk8 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:51:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why am I so aroused
rhythmjones ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:29:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe the fox is Ahsoka!
Ihaveopinionstoo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:47:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
okay explain?!
don't make me watch all of the clone war episdoes...I did watch her fight with vader though.
fperrine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:09:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Since you've seen her fight Vader, you know her fate was ambiguous. Some people believe she will return in the form of a wolf.
Ihaveopinionstoo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
right I get how that was left open ended, esp with the metal hand and the temple on fire.
but i don't see how she would transform into a wolf? did she have powers to be a seer or whatever they call those people in game of thrones.
fperrine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah. Filoni really likes wolves and there were wolf-like animals in the Rebels season 4 trailer.
hopsizzle ยท 346 points ยท Posted at 02:12:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Alola form Vulpix
AstroCat16 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 02:16:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pokemon crossover confirmed. That big-eyed thing hanging out with Chewie looks suspiciously like Wigglytuff.
GetEquipped ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 05:00:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
More like Glaceon IMO
dannifluff ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:48:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yeah it's definitely a Glaceon
Arandomcheese ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:20:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It looked more like an icy Fenniken to me.
tronfunkinblows_10 ยท 2188 points ยท Posted at 02:05:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I C E B O Y E S
afortiorii ยท 407 points ยท Posted at 02:08:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
DILLY DILLY
The_Real_BenFranklin ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:30:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
DILLY DONG
LeMonkeyFace6 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:31:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
DILLY DING DILLY DONG
[deleted] ยท 58 points ยท Posted at 02:13:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't believe people are parroting a fucking Bud Light commercial as a meme.
inbeforethelube ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 02:32:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This isn't new, have you forgotten past hits such as "WAAAAZZZ UPPPPP" and "BUD---WEI---ZER--RIBBIT"
digitalmofo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:29:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
From the same guys who thought up the Aflac duck, the Budweiser frogs.
BMKR ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 02:26:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wasssssssaaaaaaahhhhhh
Edit: Budweiser is literally a print shop of memes.
Sooners19 ยท 87 points ยท Posted at 02:17:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like u/CipherPol0 gets a first person view of the PIT OF MISERY!! DILLY DILLY!!
thelazt1 ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 02:23:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
DILLY DILLY
isiramteal ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 04:00:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
DILLY DILLY
maxout2142 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:48:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As if actual memes aren't low hanging fruit already.
babyshaker1984 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 02:17:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sir Brad would like to have a word with you.
Up_North18 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:27:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's such a terrible commercial too.
CaptainInertia ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:32:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's such a terrible beer too.
kevinrk23 ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 02:39:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dilly Dilly!
Cynikal818 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:35:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We get it, you dont get why people would drink Budweiser
Lol this comment is a fucking guarantee on reddit
CaptainInertia ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:44:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bud is fine, whatever. But who would torture somebody for not bringing it? If I'm torturing somebody for it, it better be a damn good beer lol
Cynikal818 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:04:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Obh i havent seen the commercial if thats what youre talking about
Pm_me_hot_sauce_pics ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:07:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Run, RUN!
DeadDay ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:17:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a good one.
Up_North18 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:27:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But it's not
watertaco ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:43:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rob Lucci?
tinyturtletricycle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:35:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a hilarious sounding phrase. I don't think it would've caught on otherwise.
CaptainInertia ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:30:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's so disappointing. When I first saw that commercial, I hoped the internet would resist their marketing attempts. Reddit, you've failed me.
TTheorem ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 02:32:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/latestagecapitalism
TheHollowJester ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 08:08:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/hailcorporate
bishopazrael ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:25:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What is this dilly dilly thing going around?
gibby67 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:14:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where does dilly dilly come from? I've seen it in /r/SmashBros and /r/CFB.
Mozz_Sticks96 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:16:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bud Light
FilmsByDan ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:13:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
๐ป Dilly dilly
AMAathon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:08:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Make it stop.
ManIWantAName ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dilly dilly
BuckFurke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:21:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
D I L L Y B O Y E doin a heckin good frost.
tscott53 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 06:38:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
DILLY DILLY
bushysmalls ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 03:25:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
DILLY DILLY!
jjackson25 ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 02:24:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TO THE MISERY!!
alamodafthouse ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:13:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
they're good icedogs, Brent
dunkster91 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:19:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
NotAllBrents
Intergalactic96 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 02:08:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/rarepuppers
mohamstahs ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:12:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
vvv rare starpuppers
hellraiser24 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:14:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
C O L D B O Y E
damionwayne ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:21:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think they're S A L T Y B O Y E S
(Crait is all salt flats right?)
aryanchaurasia ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:21:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
wwfmike ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:26:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They are doing a hecking cute
Parlorshark ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:01:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I C E B O Y E G A S
DannyBoy7783 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:19:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All I C E B O Y E S are good B O Y E S.
jayotaze ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:19:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck no
brokenarrow ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 03:26:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No swearsies the puppers don't like
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:04:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's heckin cold.
bear-assed ยท 782 points ยท Posted at 02:05:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm worried they're gonna try and do the comic relief small animal side-kick thing
WuPacalypse ยท 1258 points ยท Posted at 02:07:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Disney's gotta sell toys.
Atheldemic ยท 1479 points ยท Posted at 02:15:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Meesa know but still
Iplayinthestreet ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 02:34:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
bravo sir.
stromdriver ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:42:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Chuug-obo-fangowa!
derpyco ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:37:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My favorite comment I've ever encountered.
Tobias_Z ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:39:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One of my most conflicted upvotes.
char_limit_reached ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:51:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ewkos.
xxlw311xx ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:20:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Disney's gotta get $DIS back up!
RoboNinjaPirate ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:18:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lucas pioneered large scale movie merchandising before Disney did.
Xanny ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:32:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In all honesty though, there are few properties as guaranteed to make ludicrous ticket returns as Star Wars. They could put white noise on screen for 90 minutes and make a billion dollars with this movies title.
Selling toys isn't a good excuse if it makes the film worse, because the movie itself is going to make at least a 4x return from box office sales alone.
Beorma ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:14:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As you said, they can put any old crap on the screen and people will still watch so why should they care about integrity?
Fishingfor ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:02:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because they bought the franchise for 4 billion and plan to make way more than that so ruining the series would not be in their interests for a quick buck.
Beorma ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:05:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a safe franchise. They cut and pasted plots from previous films to create Episode 7, received widespread criticism for it, and that hasn't made much of an impact on excitement for the next film.
You would have to try really hard to make people stop watching Star Wars.
ChronX4 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:10:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just wait until they team up with the Hatchimal guys to make them hatch out of eggs.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:41:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Enter porgs!
Cloudy_mood ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:23:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My son already has a small, stuffed animal version.
xaclewtunu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:35:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, Disney sure wrecked Star Wars with all those toys.
PurifiedVenom ยท 359 points ยท Posted at 02:08:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea the porg felt really out of place honestly. The good news is that's the only thing worrying me about this movie so far
Ryzc ยท 440 points ยท Posted at 02:17:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Chewie's eyes were more distracting than the porg for me.
pahnub ยท 168 points ยท Posted at 02:30:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for the Chewbacca mask! It's OK that mines not movie quality!
daymanxx ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:11:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey pahnub you know what's good for shoulder pain?
Ralph-Hinkley ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:18:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not beating a wookie at space chess?
burstaneurysm ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:24:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HUSTLERS! THANKS, DAD!
BOBULANCE ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:06:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Those cartoon eyes though
astraeos118 ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 02:36:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah that Chewie CGI was obvious as hell
1977 Chewie looks way better than that shit
AskewPropane ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 02:46:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He wasn't cgi mate
Ryzc ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:31:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The eyes definitely were
davidplusworld ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 02:48:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It really looked like CGI was added to the mask. It distracted me from "OMG this is so exciting!" for a second.
sabasNL ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:17:52 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, it really broke my immersion. It's way too obvious.
davidplusworld ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:23:04 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really hope they fix this in the final cut.
sabasNL ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:18:46 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me too. I also really didn't like the CGI of the AT-M6s, nor the hangar at the very start of the trailer. Am I really the only one who isn't happy with the footage we've seen?
astraeos118 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 02:53:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's definitely some CGI on that Chewie face.
eggsolo ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:05:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
looks like Chewie got botox
jerog1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:13:26 on December 2, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wish he was greying
eggsolo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:10:10 on December 2, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would have been cool.
geeky_username ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:20:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Glad I'm not the only one
ncolaros ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:55:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Plenty of time to smooth out that kind of stuff.
stormtrooper1701 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:35:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yeah but muh practicool effects
eponerine ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:38:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely horrible!
adidasbrazilianbooty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:33:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ya heโs so handsome
Croswynd ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:40:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Star Wars gotta have its Baby Groot, you understand.
Internet-Ham ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 02:17:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love the porg and his tiny battle cry.
thestonedonkey ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:29:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me too! Screw the haters.
emmerick ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:26:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want one, but I'm gonna wait till I see the movie to make sure I'm not buying a stuffed Jar Jar
Internet-Ham ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:40:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I find your lack of faith....
emmerick ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:42:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid.
Njdevils11 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:19:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can handle a little small child toy advertising if the rest of the movie is great. Which the rest looks.
stealthyfrog ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:48:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did you just call me a little small child?
Njdevils11 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 02:51:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe I did. Maybe I didn't. What are you gonna do about it?
ScousePenguin ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:00:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder if Chewie looks after him, because he's lonely after Han died so he doing a John Wick. He got a pet.
I expect the rest of the series to ignore Kylo, Rey, and Finn and instead just focus on Chewie protecting his pet.
Alexwolf117 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 06:27:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You fool the porgs are the true last Jedi, luke taught them everything he knows
the climax of the movie will be porgs vs ewoks
ScousePenguin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:29:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Porgs ftw!
Space Penguins shall rule the galaxy!
wadeishere ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:13:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We are the Porg.
Resistance is futile.
All will be assimilated.
DogsRNice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:04:51 on October 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ARAAA
ARAAA
DFWTooThrowed ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:27:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I felt the same. It just looked so unbelievably cgi next the Chewy... which is what it is, I'm aware that it's cgi. But putting an alien beast live action character in a costume from the 1970's next to a cgi alien thing just looks really out of place.
I hope they aren't including a bunch of cgi little alien creatures just because they have the ability to. Like I can't imagine it being necessary for advancing the plot if there's a shit ton cgi little creatures running around.
Hawvy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:14:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let's just hope we like them. I trust they'll have a certain significance though
KneeDeepInTheDead ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:46:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
first thing i thought was "oh this is their cute selling thing like baby groot was in GOTG2", shit is already tiring enough in their animated movies
reece1495 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:05:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
how do you know what its called
PurifiedVenom ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:33:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They revealed them a few months ago
Godzmodiar7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:11:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
honestly, I think it may be a surprise hit with the kids. My daughter was loving her some space gerbil when I showed her the trailer. a la baby groot.
PurifiedVenom ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:15:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh they'll be a hit alright and it won't be a surprise at all lol
youngbuck- ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 02:16:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly don't mind the Porg, it's cute and I'm sure it's gonna work the way they use it
Thumper13 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:22:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just comfort yourself with the theory that they are Chewie's emotional support animal after the death of his best friend. Then you won't mind them so much.
zalgiris1985 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:29:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me aged 15-25: "That cat penguin was the dumbest part."
Me at 32: "Awww"
ILikeMasterChief ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:19:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well shit I'm ready to be older, then. I hate shit like that so much and it would be much better to like it.
I just see it as annoying filler for people who somehow can't manage to be entertained for 2 hours with nothing to laugh at
Ghigongigon ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:08:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thats what the Porgs are for.
BrotherCool ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:16:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
โWe are porg. Resistance is futile.โ
Mr-Man11 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:13:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The good porgs, the bad porgs
BlueCrabDelight ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:18:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Porgs on your side, forevermore.
enderandrew42 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:16:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Porg developed organically because the island they filmed on a is a puffin sanctuary. They are all over the place. It is hard to get a shot with no puffins in it all the time, and they can't just move all the puffins out of their nests. Not to mention, the crew fell in love with the puffins while filming.
So they went with it, and make a Star Wars version of the puffins they could CGI over any puffin a shot, and then the crew really fell in love with the art design, so they went even further with it.
Lucasfilm would sell a million Star Wars toys with or without the Porg design.
flynn_dc ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:33:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In 1977, Artoo was a comic relief cure sidekick, and he was perfect. It's okay to have something cute and scrappy, even if it means they sell toys.
theredditoro ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:09:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That will be porgs.
twentysomethinger ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:14:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At worst: Jar Jar 2.0 At best: Alf 2.0
scottysnacktimee ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:25:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hence the porgs
SexualWeasel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:21:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't think it will. I think the porg was just how they explained and covered the puffins from Skellig Michael, and then in turn gave one to Chewy for something to do on the island. They're just going to market them as toys, but I don't think it'll be a part of the plot.
HornPointBaragon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:28:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shhh, Let Chewie have a therapy animal. He's in a rough spot.
hotmetalslugs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:49:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Careful, you are going to get downvoted. I speak from experience.
BOBULANCE ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:04:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
BLRAP BLRAP
MatsudaBJJ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:17:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's clearly what the CGI thing screaming next to Chewy is
rhythmjones ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:29:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Borks or whatever they're called.
RDS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:51:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ya they forced the shot in so hard of that thing "roaring" after chewy
JoseJimenezAstronaut ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:18:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is it Jar-Jar or is it BB-8?
sagen_____ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:38:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you mean that thing they've been doing with star wars for forty years
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:00:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am groooot
tinyturtletricycle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:37:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean it's already happening. It's been happening since they first revealed the porgs.
Your fears are well-founded.
RunswithW0lv3s ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:36:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did you see the Gerbal in the Falcon? thats their side kick, toy selling boi right there
bl1y ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:00:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nnnnyubyub.
Hannibal_Lectard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:35:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So, essentially BB-8 with hair?
cloud9brian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it's not like they haven't done that in every one of the trilogies, why stop now?
wishforagiraffe ยท 116 points ยท Posted at 02:06:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I exclaimed out loud to my boyfriend "holy shit that thing is amazing!" Really excellent alien design there, it even kinda crinkled like ice.
๐๏ธ Nickbloom ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 02:14:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yea whats that pups name
R0binSage ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:13:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have never wanted a statute of any animal in the star wars universe until now!
pierrebottineau ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:09:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wtf was that penguin thing screaming with Chewbacca?
wings31 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:13:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
a Porg. live on the island with Luke
RelaNarkin ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:24:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I still get surprised when someone on here doesn't know what a Porg is.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:09:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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RelaNarkin ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:01:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's the difference?
Too soon?
iowajaycee ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:15:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah it was....related to Lothwolves?
KuntPunch3r ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:09:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Those new At-Ats were very sick as well
Chef_Beef_Supreme ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:09:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Winter is coming.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 02:17:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AN ICE FOX ON AN OPEN FIELD NED
CaptainKabuki ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:37:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
GODS I WAS COLD BACK THEN
sixdollargrapes ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:14:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The fox is Ahsoka!!! /s
LittleFoxxbear ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:22:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ICEY FRIENDOS WERE MAJOR QTS
DFSniper ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:41:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ICE FLOOF!!!
The way they ran into the base makes me think it can be domesticated, which would be freaking sweet!
EarlTheAndroid ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:52:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want one. Forget the Pogos or whatever theyโre called, give me one of those.
DarthSunshine ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:15:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dave Filoni, is that you?
BMKR ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:26:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eevee
Justice_Prince ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:33:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Was that a Kushiban?
_Zaayk_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:55:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
right!!! with everything that happened that was the biggest thing i remember from the trailer lol. they look so... cool โ๏พใฎ๏พ)โ โ(๏พใฎ๏พโ)
BeatsByEzekielElliot ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:16:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like a pokemon
Piroca22 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:14:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Army of ATATs in an Ice planet
God fucking damn it!
theravensrequiem ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:28:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not an ice planet. They are salt flats. But still its a big sequence of the movie so...
TheDosReturns ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:07:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
New version of the Tauntaun fandom?
sersarsor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:43:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
all the new creatures are fucking lit
hungryhungryhippooo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:47:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pokemon collab. Ices foxes and little gerbils in the Falcon.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:52:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like a Lynx.
Hawvy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:55:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I immediately saw a Lothwolf covered in ice. But I'm sure that's not the case
feenicks ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:39:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone is referring to them as "Ice" - but is there anything other than assumption on that? To me it just seems crystals, like they are silicon based or something. Same with the ground on that planet with the red powder under it... not ice, just crystal?
I could be wrong of course, and it could be ice... but just wondering if the assumption of ice is based off some actual knowledge im unaware of, or if it is just people seeing it and assuming it is ice?
Caboose0624 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:21:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with you. If you pause the video to look at them, the ground around it looks like salt flats.
earthengoddess ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:10:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. So much yes to this comment. I'm glad someone else felt this way
SentinelSquadron ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:29:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seems they might be taking stuff from Rebels? I think there are white wolf things coming in Season 4!
luckjes112 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:56:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have a soft spot for foxes (and wolves).
These are awesome!
Anyone have a good screenshot of that part of the trailer? I could sketch them once.
AndytheNewby ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:41:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's probably a salt crystal fox! Which is even more badass IMO.
flashcats ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:24:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought it looked really plastic/CGI.
huskie1997 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:06:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What was the weasel looking thing in the cockpit?
Edit: aight I get that itโs a porg.
Pm_me_fruitsnacks ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:09:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A porg. They live on Ahch-to.
mathman17 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 02:12:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bless you
wauve1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:09:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's called a Porg
MasterThalpian ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:09:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Porgs
TyPiper93 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:43:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a porg
flare2000x ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:16:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dave Filoni worked on TLJ confirmed.
Zuazzer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:14:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it was a salt crystal fox thing though.
PreciousRoy666 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:36:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ice or Kyber?
Bexirt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:36:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
dude that porg was cute
willmcavoy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:07:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Glad I wasn't the only one to catch that.
Dr-Haus ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:16:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me when a whole pack of Icy Good Boye's roll up: https://im.ezgif.com/tmp/ezgif-1-254acd232e.gif
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 02:09:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And absolutely does not fit with anything we've ever seen in Star Wars. We'll see I guess, but I don't like it.
pducks32 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 02:12:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Youโre aware that there are literally millions of planets and that a ton of people complain when nothing new is shown in the movies.
Farloo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:58:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with you, keep the Pokemon out of Star wars. Damn.
108241 ยท 849 points ยท Posted at 02:08:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Feels like a fourth wall break, saying the trailer might be somewhat misleading.
girlseekstribe ยท 333 points ยท Posted at 02:15:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just like โThis will begin to make things rightโ in the first film.
thekingofthejungle ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 04:07:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's poetry
Ji-der ยท 56 points ยท Posted at 04:23:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, it's treason.
Tatooine_Getaway ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 04:49:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not, yet
hemareddit ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:01:31 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We are for the BIG.
1Darkest_Knight1 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 04:38:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yep
tyled ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 04:57:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Execute Order 66
Bexirt ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 06:41:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Palpatine Voice over
DO IT
RandomDude94 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 11:23:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget "It's just us now... Han Solo can't save you."
Tilltre ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 08:25:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's exactly what EP7 was. A movie to make things right for the upcoming movies.
OSUTechie ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 03:46:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seems to the trend. remember the first trailer told us to Breath at the start.
E3K ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 04:29:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think you mean breathe.
stillnopickles14 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:02:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But, what if they expected us to catch on that it was misleading? That they expected us to say โnah, Rey and Kyle would never team up, thatโs misleadingโ? And so since we think THAT, itโs not going to go the way we think, meaning the trailer is actually accurate?
They finally did it. Disney owns all of the space in my mind right now.
xraig88 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 04:33:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So what are we, some kind of โthis is not going to go the way you thinkโ
Hannibal_Lectard ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:17:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So what are we? Some kind of "The Last Jedi?"
J-Debstup ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:15:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
IS THIS THE REAL LIFE
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:18:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
what is this, Deadpool?
bearrey05 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:29:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ooooo! Yes. Good theory there, my friend.
Jdogy2002 ยท 693 points ยท Posted at 02:06:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love they made these old football players announce that. The dude after the trailer was like "Welp, there was your Yoda's and shit..."
atomicbunny ยท 658 points ยท Posted at 02:30:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
โHereโs $10 go see a Star Warโ
thirstyshrutebaby ยท 72 points ยท Posted at 04:55:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean itโs one banana Michael
mvals ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 05:15:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What can it cost? Ten dollars?
uhh_tina_uhh ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 06:03:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't understand that question and I won't respond to it.
tinyturtletricycle ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 06:50:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's always money in the banana stand...
Old_Runescape ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 13:28:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
NO TOUCHING
HeyDarkEyes ยท 173 points ยท Posted at 02:20:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"And you can see our First Trooper here..."
mjcart03 ยท 90 points ยท Posted at 02:24:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That man was so uncomfortable.
aethiestinafoxhole ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 03:28:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's uncomfortable talking about football too, its pretty much just him
myanrueller ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:20:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure he's just uncomfortable talking.
HellWolf1 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:00:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe he's just uncomfortable in general, somebody get him a soft chair and some hot cocoa
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:28:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
repeated concussions and head trauma'll do that to ya
Chocodong ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:03:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Was that an intentional Raising Arizona reference?
Jdogy2002 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:10:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Very much so. I imagined that announcer and Nathan Arizona to be of the same mindset when it came to Sci-Fi/Fantasy.
Chocodong ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:37:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's one of my favorite lines ever. I saw it in the theater when I was 12 and laughed my ass off.
just-believe-me ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:05:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was thinking during the game how much I'd hate to be an announcer when one of them said "hey Siri" and sounded like an idiot. Then they tried talking star wars and sounded more stupid.
blueindsm ยท 2874 points ยท Posted at 02:02:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HE TRIED SPINNING!!!! IT'S A GREAT TRICK! JUST LIKE GRANDPA! WEEEEEE!!!! YIPPEEEEEEE!!!!
Wildinferno ยท 863 points ยท Posted at 02:16:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Now this is POD racing!!!
[deleted] ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 02:34:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If Rey calls something 'wizard,' we'll know she's a Skywalker too.
YepYouRedditRight2 ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 03:16:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke: Iโve seen this much raw power only once before. It didnโt scare me enough then. It does now.
Rey: So I'm really powerful? That's so Wizard!
The_Pudge ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:58:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wasn't it his friend Kitster or that said wizard?
Markledunkel ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:20:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol that lame ass celebration when he meets all his little kid friends after the race.
The_Pudge ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:31:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, when he first sees his pod.
Male_strom ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:45:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
*pog
Remember Alf? He's back and in Pog form
LukeKane ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 02:31:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The emphasis is on THIS
sbarrios ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:04:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not when this is PORG racing!!
made_in_silver ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:49:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's working! It's working!!!
lobotomy42 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:13:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Storm's coming.
BryceGladwin1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:45:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can you feel it in your bones?
Vemnox ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:32:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Now THIS is pod racing!
(Emphasis on the 'this')
Mushtang68 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:50:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Now THIS is Pod racing!!!
c0rtexj4ckal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:13:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
MIXED WITH A COLOR FESTIVAL!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:37:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey look! My mom!
GoldenGonzo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:05:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hello there!
mjcart03 ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 02:22:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you think Kylo has heard the tragedy of Darth Plageuis the Wise?
Keyboardkat105 ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 02:48:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not the kind of story Snoke would tell him, well actually... maybe it is.
J-Debstup ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:16:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably his bedtime story.
Dead_Starks ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:13:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That fighter was bad ass though!
Regijack ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:32:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i bet snoke wants kylo to put that bloody vader helmet in the bin if thats all its telling him to do. spinning tricks and lectures on sand
bionix90 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:26:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Grandfather!!!
wings31 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:18:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yippppeee! (missed opportunity)
blueindsm ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:26:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In my haste, I misquoted young Ani. I fixed it. Thank you. :)
Ask_if_im_an_alien ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:53:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everybody knows SPIN TO WIN is a legitimate tactic.
franksayshi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:19:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs matricide, then.
Spyhop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:10:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also regicide
tylerlawhon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:06:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Told my buddy, "He is most definitely related to a Skywalker"
whitemike40 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:34:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
was that pod racing!?!??
BehroozAraz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:16:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do a barrel roll!
Rei_Areaaaaaaa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:05:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
DO A BARREL ROLL!
-BailOrgana- ยท 174 points ยท Posted at 04:01:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snoke is 5 Porgs in an overcoat.
Jack_Ryker ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:24:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just doing normal adult business-like business.
-BailOrgana- ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:01:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"I went to (space) stock market today. I did a business."
Kleemin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:28:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
at the business factory
Jedi-El1823 ยท 2658 points ยท Posted at 02:01:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This does not look like a happy movie. It's making Empire look happy.
ASH503 ยท 1257 points ยท Posted at 02:09:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Leia will die, Luke will be hurt or unwilling to fight, and Rey will join Kylo(who will be on the fence, but remain evil)
bionix90 ยท 1956 points ยท Posted at 02:20:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The final exchange between Rey and Kylo is 100% misdirection, cut from multiple scenes.
lmust14 ยท 475 points ยท Posted at 02:27:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I think Rey is sitting
by a fireat sunset with Luke there. It's constant and more golden than the flickering with Kylo.gyutop ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 02:42:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree, but then who is Kylo looking at/holding a hand to?
A_Very_Lonely_Dalek ยท 58 points ยท Posted at 02:43:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe he has a meeting with Leia.
gyutop ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 02:49:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That could be it. Just came to me, maybe a scene from the burning temple flashback? Ill have to go back and check if there's a scar.
EDIT: Scar is there. Can't tell on Rey's outfit though.
JBaecker ยท -48 points ยท Posted at 02:50:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Originally they might have had Luke going evil. But with Carrie Fisher dying, Iโm starting to wonder if they have her turn evil, ship goes boom and Leia needs a mask, just like dear old Dad. And sticking her behind a mask means they can keep her around for 9.
greyjackal ยท 62 points ยท Posted at 02:54:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not a chance in hell. She's way too old a character for that. And beloved.
GoldenGonzo ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 04:08:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wished they'd just CGI her like they did Tarkin. They did a great job with Tarkin, and I'm sure Fisher wouldn't want the overall story to suffer because of her passing.
greyjackal ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 04:10:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Given the vehemence with which they said they wouldn't, and they weren't recasting, I'm pretty sure she buys the farm in TLJ. Although probably not how it's presented in this trailer, because this thing is full of misdirects.
[deleted] ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 03:04:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think that whatever they originally had planned for Leia, she will be killed off in this film (as a goodie, not a baddie) for an emotional send-off to both the character and to the actress herself. I reckon if Carrie were still alive she would have been in Episode 9 but sadly her arc would have to be changed due to her death.
Holovoid ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 03:11:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm going to sob like a bitch even more than I did when Han died in TFA when Leia dies.
Jedi-El1823 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 09:57:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We're talking last 20 minutes of Rogue One level of waterworks.
Ralph-Hinkley ยท -36 points ยท Posted at 03:52:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You really cried when Han died? You are a little bitch.
Edit: I was only affirming his statement that he was a bitch, but please.. keep the downvotes coming.
TheGeek100 ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 03:03:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He wants Chewbacca to hand over the Porg
steaknsteak ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 03:26:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It could be literally anyone. It's probably not even a major scene. Maybe he's just asking one of his underlings to hand him something. Maybe a character we haven't met. Why would we assume it's anything just because they cut it next to a shot of Rey?
AppleSmoker ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:56:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Look at his face in that scene too, it looks soft and kind, an expression we have not seen on his face until now. I could believe that the scene is not misdirection at all
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:16:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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gyutop ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:18:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like that. I saw someone say that he hates Luke and Finn too much for it to be one of them, but that would make it better.
cavelioness ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:18:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, it's either someone he likes, or, he's changed.
RHPR07 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:11:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The dude blew up multiple planets.....sorry but thereโs no way he can be forgiven by the greater galaxy
Franzj0sef ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:54:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Technically it was Hux who gave the order....
lmust14 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:47:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know! :D
I_regret_boneitis ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:32:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Darth Jar Jar confirmed
gyutop ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:44:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Meesa wanna hold yo hand.
rhythmjones ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:31:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Spock
DiFrence ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:10:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke, it's the start of his redemption.
damnWarEagle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:29:31 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Idk but in the first teaser he is shown with his lightsaber with the same fire raining down so itโs definitely a fight.
Pizzaplanet420 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:34:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Knights of Ren, or Snoke. That scene is probably the destruction of the Jedi temple since he doesn't have the scar.
The_True_Zephos ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:12:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He does have the scare. Not a flash back.
Pizzaplanet420 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:41:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just noticed he did, that's quite interesting now. But they don't look like they are in the same scene.
TheOnlyMonty ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 03:09:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Plus the acoustics of her voice say she's in a cave possibly.
lmust14 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:23:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice catch!
TheOnlyMonty ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 03:26:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I may have watched it like.....8-9 times. Man I gotta rethink my life.
lmust14 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:28:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
~You don't want to sell me any death sticks.~
Dark-Porkins ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:30:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or snokes throne room
Stubbledorange ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:00:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought that too but at the same time the light sources in their eyes match up. She has two lights in her eyes, then a light on her right. Then when they have the reverse shot with kylo, he has one light source coming from his left and one behind him on his right. Might actually be the same scene.
Griddamus ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 09:53:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup. I am also expecting Luke to have serious PTSD and that final offering of his hand by Kylo is going to be him asking Luke to help him rescue Rey who is revealed to be Kylos sister.
democratsgotnoclue ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:28:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm gonna be so mad if Rey is just another Skywalker
Airhead-Emmy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:17:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like Rey is in a cave to me, perhaps talking to Luke by the book she finds!
liquorandlife ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:24:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Her voice has a slight echo to it, I think it's set in the caves below the island.
hamptonwooster ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:16:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree.... but since they made that the final shot of the trailer I definitely think Kylo trying to appeal to Rey will be a major plot point in some shape or form.
lmust14 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:26:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Given their exchange in the lightsaber fight of VII, I'd say that's a safe bet.
[deleted] ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 02:28:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It might not be. I think Rey going dark is the route a lot of people are hoping they'll take, and it's certainly a good way to diverge from the original trilogy. It's probably why Rian and Mark didn't want people to watch tonight's trailer.
Textual_Aberration ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 02:33:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They probably didn't want people to watch it so that people would want to watch it even more.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 02:48:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Poc4e ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:01:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Would an advanced-reverse-psycology be just a basic-psycology?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:04:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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daymanxx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:22:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes
daymanxx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:22:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe
humanoideric ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:58:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can confirm this totally worked on me Lol
IronMarauder ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:42:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ahh, so they had to stack the deck against Luke to finally have a fair fight. 3v1
walktall ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 02:40:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You really think theyโre going to let the first female Jedi featured in the movies become evil? Like, I get it would be interesting, but letโs return to reality here.
metalhead4 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:52:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Think of the children(s, toys)!!!!
mistrj13 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 02:54:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah there's no way that she'd actually become evil, she's become a female cultural icon from the first movie and is like a role model for young girls...making her a villain doesn't work, especially because they clearly established HER as the main heroine of the new trilogy, more than Finn and Poe.
Flexappeal ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:03:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
nah dude going dark side is independent af Rey dont need no light
stagfury ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's not needing light and going grey/neutral and embracing the power Revan held.
And then there's joining Mr. Angstypants.
JBaecker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:53:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thereve been a few Dark Empire theories. She does it to try to understand Snoke and Kylo and loses herself. I doubt thatโs it but theyโve already borrowed from EU and changed what they want, so...
jimmyolsenblues ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:11:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I believed in reddit gold. I would gild you. Thank you. I was wavering for a moment.
heycheeahs ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:43:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Look at the colorization of each one of their faces. They are in different locations. Rey is prolly with Luke by a fire near the beginning of the film
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:55:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seems unlikely. Rey seems to be lit from a constant lightsource, like a firepit or a lantern while Kylo is lit by the firestorm occuring around him, one being more of an orange/yellow hue while the other is red. Looks like two separate scenes to me.
Hollowpoint357 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:48:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I said a long time ago to my friend that I was hoping Kylo would be redeemed and Rey would go dark. It'd be a nice change I think. And I could have the satisfaction of waking him up in the AM and telling him I was right.
CyberhamLincoln ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:29:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
From a certain point of view.
BrotherBodhi ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:05:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
From my point of view you are lost
made_in_silver ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:48:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But they would be a nice couple
throwaway_for_keeps ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:51:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo is definitely reaching his hand out to the Porg we saw on the Falcon. Teaming up to take back his dad's ship. Episode 9 will be all about Chewie trying to get it back.
Ghigongigon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:33:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Im on the fence about it, it could be after the first order attacks auchtu and its how Rey meets Snoke. After their confrontation she could change her mind.
kelloggj ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:59:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think they purposely changed the color of the lighting on her face to make it seem like the same scene
myanrueller ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:05:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The trailer team for TFA and TLJ have been phenomenal at misdirection. We now have 2 months to speculate
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:13:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True. I wasn't expecting TFA to be a straight up remake of ANH. That sure surprised me.
myanrueller ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:00:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And here I go in my endless defense of TFA.
Does TFA share plot points with ANH? Yes. I'm not arguing that. The similarities are there to accent the differences in characters and organizations. Rey raised herself, her sense of selflessness and wonder is from her nevet having a moment to relax as she was growing up. Luke was raised by an upper middle class farming family. Kylo Ren is just starting his path to the dark side, Vader has been there for 20 years. The Empire is methodical, abd nearly surgical in its use of the Death Star, the First Order fires Starkiller Base the moment it is finished, and not just a single core "demonstration". The Rebel Alliance, while small, is effectively an actual rebel group, the Resistance, even smaller still, is Leia doing her best to Gault the First Order without the bureaucratic tape the New Republic would place on a military organization. Tarkin is 100% certain the Empire will win the Battle of Yavin, so he stays to his doom. Hux begins to flee the moment he realizes the base is doomed.
And then there is the last bit: what is the main problem in this story? Both are answered in the first paragraph of the title crawl:
A New Hope is about destroying the Death Star. The whole film hinges on it.
The Force Awakens is about finding Luke.
Thizzlebot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:44:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's what I hope and expect but at this point if they just shot their full load with this trailer I wouldn't be surprised. Hopefully they won't spoil too much, maybe the director saying don't watch was the real misdirection lol. Cartmanland of movie trailer watching.
Lob_Shot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:56:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's probably notable in some way that we haven't uncovered yet, but there appears to be scarred Kylo and weird-carbon-fiber-line kylo
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:24:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe that's what they want us to think.
bionix90 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:13:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah yes, the double whammy.
winglerw28 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:59:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Plot twist: they made the trailer look cut from multiple scenes intentionally to mess with us.
finkramsey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:40:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup. Clearly Rey and Kylo are in two different locations, but also, I don't think Rey's vo is coming from the scene it shows
Dave_Tribbiani ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:09:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"This is not going to go, the way you think!"
Actionhippie417 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:31:25 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's a double curve actually. Yes it's from 2 different scenes, but they will more than likely have some sort of partnership. If you read the book for The Force Awakens it's super obvious that they are going to be some kind of thing.
Canadeon ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:21:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am thinking Kylo gets ditched when Snoke kidnaps Rey to be a better apprentice. Kylo busts her out with Luke (who lets face it is probably going to die or something), then the two of them, light and dark, are going to take down Snoke and the First Order.
ASH503 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:36:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like it, but doesn't really leave anything for IX does it?
Canadeon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:41:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The whole taking down Snoke/FO part would be 9! Don't forget Death Star 49 will be a big problem also.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:16:54 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've been thinking about this reversal too. Basically, I think Kylo will redeem himself and Rey will fall. The ongoing theme of Star Wars is temptation, failure, and redemption and the only person to "Redeem" right now is Kylo and the only person to fall is Rey.
moschles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:14:00 on October 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nerd
TheFletchmeister ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:05:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Will Leia die though? They said that Carrie's death led to some rewriting of Episode 9, so maybe they could have gone the route of force ghost?
A_Charmandur ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:39:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or they totally could have just said that to stop the speculation that her character dies in episode 8. They aren't going to spoil it, but they weren't just going to sit by and say nothing about Carrie passing away.
PM_ME_UR_MOM_NUDES ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:30:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And all hopes to see luke, arguably the most powerful being ever, fight and kick buts and do badass stuff in a modern day movie are gone.
Ruckus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:51:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Poe will be 'activated' and is a agent for the first order.
He is on the dark side of the poster and he has a black X-Wing... just saying.
kapxis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:08:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There needs to be a badass display of Luke's power this movie. He's always been talked about as powerful but it's never been really 'shown' in anything mainstream.
RemnantEvil ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:20:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That Rey/Kylo thing looks like it's going to take the RotJ ending and say, "What if Luke had taken Vader's hand and they took down the Emperor together?" That could be pretty fucking cool.
troutcommakilgore ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:31:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd watch that
TheCOCNUT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:50:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
what if she kills Luke. That'd be wild
ribi305 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:51:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here's my theory: Rey and Kylo will team up against BOTH sides, to bring down Snoke and stop the fighting between the First Order and the Resistance. I would love to see two Jedi against the universe, and it would make so much sense with the theme of balance in the force.
That said, I think others are probably right that the last exchange is actually two different scenes cut together. Still hoping they do something interesting and not just Kylo tempting her to the dark side before she saves him.
doom2060 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:31:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And Finn will be the true last jedi (I can dream)
Veternus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:17:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're most likely killing off on original trilogy character every episode, Han, Leia then Luke in Episode 9. :/
Cod_Metal_King ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:50:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You literally took the trailer at face value. That's not how this works, that's not how any of this works.
Aeon_Mortuum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:12:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Am I the only one thinking that Luke might die too? I feel like all/most of the old cast is being liquidated, in a way to symbolise a "new beginning"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:31:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Havenโt we heard several times that Leia doesnโt die in this? Could be more misdirection of course. This trailer is chalk full of misdirection
NihiloZero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:21:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke will be confirmed as the primary villain.
BasedKyeng ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 02:28:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Luke thing is pissing me off. He said he was โscared nowโ. Wow some great Jedi. Still canโt even master fear? Worthless.
riskbreaker23 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:31:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"I'm not afraid." "You will be. You will be."
RexRuler ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:42:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke has always been whiny - he gets that from his father.
Sardoodledum ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:08:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He is a whiner...like his father before him.
Th3-Insp3ctor_ ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:53:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well he never did complete his training
lejonetfranMX ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:05:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"I like jedis who don't train sith lords"
Kinderschlager ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 02:18:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
this makes me happy!
J-Debstup ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:16:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
YIPPEEEEE!
zombienutsack ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:37:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Empire did nothing wrong.
Steadman ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:48:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good, it's important that this film doesn't necessarily try to tie everything up with a cute bow and some smiles.
bj_good ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:27:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good! Lots of feel good movies...let's get something a bit more ominous...
Regijack ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:34:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the fact that leia looks more sad than scared that kylo is about to kill her :(
ToasterToasts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:51:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Heโs not blowing up her ship, heโs blowing up a FO ship.
nvnehi ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:43:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's the way it should be, looking forward to it.
CedarCabPark ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:48:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was undoubtedly planned like that forever. The trilogy is purposefully mirroring the OT as a theme. So inevitably some neckbeards are gonna riot over that.
Imagine if Rey goes dark and Boyega ends up as the protagonist for 9. That'd be great.
eyehate ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:03:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can't have your peaks without some valleys.
Ambiverticle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:19:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The lil creature next to Chewie made me happy
eoinster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:19:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Empire's the funniest movie in the saga as well as the darkest, I'm hoping this movie can pull off that balance too.
m1serablist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:24:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It gets better when shit gets dark. Happened in animated series
Trauermarsch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:18:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like a happy movie to me.
Jedi-El1823 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:55:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Flair and username check out.
xzbobzx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:32:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Darkest year of our adventures
superdemolock ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:45:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Incoming "Disney made Star Wars too dark and edgy where's the family friendly franchise that I grew up with??!!!"
VanillaTortilla ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:46:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't want a happy movie. Rogue One teased us with some happy and some sad, but I want something grim for once.
Orion_2kTC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:26:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I KNOW! It's so exciting! I WANT a dark tale, I want it to be darker than Empire & Revenge.
shroombablol ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:12:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
don't forget that ep8 is still a disney production. I doubt the movie is going to be much different in tone compared to ep7.
remember the first age of ultron trailer? made the movie look dark as well when in reality it was very much like the first avengers.
homefree122 ยท 2370 points ยท Posted at 02:03:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hot take: Leia is going to die.
SteamedHams123 ยท 6590 points ยท Posted at 02:16:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Method acting.
BOBULANCE ยท 511 points ยท Posted at 03:10:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She didnโt die method acting. She died in moonlight, strangled by her own bra.
adayasalion ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 07:06:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why do I remember this? Did she say that's how she wanted to die or something
anacche ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 08:28:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She said that's how she wanted it to be told that she died.
free_will_is_arson ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 17:23:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
iirc, the story goes that during production she asked lucas why her character isn't wearing a bra and his response was that in space the body would naturally expand under zero gravity and the bra, unable to expand with it, would suffocate you, therefore space faring peoples wouldn't wear one.
she spun it as a beautiful way to die because when life gives you lemonade you spit that shit right back in its face.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 21:10:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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RCcola159 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 21:30:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He was just a horndog
Viking_fairy ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:12:23 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A provert, if you will...
Appycake ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 07:16:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are no bras in space though.
Tyqmn ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 13:34:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well yeah, now.
xoxota99 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:37:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In space, no one can hear you bra.
NeverEnufWTF ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:36:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's no moon...
Snarfbuckle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:51:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke would not strangle her, he would surely force choke her.
runicMechanist ยท 2328 points ยท Posted at 02:52:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Carrie Fisher would appreciate this comment so hard, I just know she would.
[deleted] ยท 184 points ยท Posted at 05:30:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 20:33:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Genuine question: what's awesome about her? Last I heard, she was very bimbo-like on the set of Star Wars -- didn't really get into the role, didn't take it seriously, generally acted like a teenage girl too good for sci-fi, etc. But maybe I've been mislead by some random commenter.
vayyiqra ยท 90 points ยท Posted at 21:29:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She was a lot younger then. She became beloved by fans later on because of her rough life (alcoholism, drug use, bipolar disorder) and her openness and sense of humour about it. She was just a very endearing person.
Dooskinson ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 23:09:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So like a Charlie Sheen sort of idol?
vayyiqra ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 03:14:02 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, liking Charlie Sheen was a joke and a meme. For Carrie Fisher it's genuine.
lilacjive ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 00:53:55 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure if that's true. She helped a lot with the scripts of the original trilogy.
Cheesecakejedi ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:01:16 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She was a comedy writer for years after Star Wars.
one_armed_herdazian ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:50:21 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She's like the fun drunk aunt
Protocol_Freud ยท 284 points ยท Posted at 03:08:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I downvoted the comment, read this, then upvoted. So true.
NO_LAH_WHERE_GOT ยท 202 points ยท Posted at 06:04:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's interesting, this seems to be an appropriate amount of soon. You know, it's not too soon anymore. It's been a while. The acute part of the heartache and grief is over. People will always carry that with them... and yet we can laugh at jokes like these, knowing Carrie would laugh too
idk why I wrote this, i just have some feels today
Dear_Occupant ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 17:32:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I liked the part where you used soon as a noun.
VindictiveJudge ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:03:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No no, that's how Leia dies. Carrie was method acting this whole time!
[deleted] ยท -29 points ยท Posted at 13:44:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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orange-julius-ceasar ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 17:06:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
r/gatekeeping
Delliott90 ยท -60 points ยท Posted at 04:33:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Depends if Rigor mortis has taken place
thad137 ยท 58 points ยท Posted at 15:02:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Now you're trying too hard.
Dark humor still needs to be tasteful.
Ark_aide ยท 270 points ยท Posted at 02:34:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Take your upvote you filthy animal
rondell_jones ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 02:50:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't give Daniel Day Lewis ideas
duongy ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 02:51:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Boi
jdnely ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 22:14:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FTFY
SteamedHams123 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:26:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking brilliant.
MalTeleVision ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:16:20 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Take your filthy up vote you twisted mother fucker
pwnzzynick ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:45:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
oh no
TheBigAndy ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 02:27:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Too soon.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:48:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, that actually seems like a comment that Carrie herself would have made.
p_U_c_K_VII ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 04:08:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/jesuschristhowmanypeoplearegoingtopostjesuschristreddit
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 02:36:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/jesuschristreddit
banethesithari ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 07:23:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why is this jesuschristreddit material ? Carrie would have loved this...
Akitoscorpio ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 13:21:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, if she was a redditor, she would have been on r/Jesuschristreddit allot.
TheTravinator ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:58:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Take your upvote, you sick bastard.
mrsuns10 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:53:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Damn you and damn whoever gives you gold for this
A_Half_Ounce ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:17:08 on October 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
!redditsilver
RedditSilverRobot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:17:21 on October 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here's your Reddit Silver, SteamedHams123!
/u/SteamedHams123 has received silver 1 time. (given by /u/A_Half_Ounce) info
Llort2 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:11:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Meth
odactingMy_dog_Charlie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:01:44 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Method acting.
yomisterd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://i.imgur.com/lV6mMBl.jpg
Ky__ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:49:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
aw
WongFeiHumg ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:39:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jeezus dude. That made me cry.
manghoti ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:08:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's time like this that I regret not being able to upvote, and downvote.
alhadihamzah ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 06:08:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Too soon :(
JacUprising ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:37:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
*Not soon enough
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:46:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's been months...
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 02:35:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:53:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Pidgey_OP ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:42:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's actually spelled Tucson
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 13:06:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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chegs81 ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 02:40:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/jesuschristreddit
Sligmit ยท 976 points ยท Posted at 02:08:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Should... should we tell him?
stromdriver ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 02:59:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ssshhhhh no, let him find out of his own accord it's a life experience with which one grows on
[deleted] ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 02:36:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, he doesn't deserve that kind of treatment.
heckin_cool ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 02:49:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Too soon
AlexTraner ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:16:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I always think of the end of Summer (Frozen) for this kind of comment (I get customers asking to speak to an ex-leader at work a lot too)
So to answer you: โdonโt you dare!โ
WigginIII ยท 73 points ยท Posted at 02:07:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Big if true.
Swade007 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:28:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Large if factual
BOBULANCE ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:37:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Huge if correct
Swade007 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:55:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Massive if legitimate
Mamsies ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:37:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They've said several times now Leia was supposed to be in Episode 9, meaning they never filmed a death scene for her.
jedberg ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:06:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reshoots. Could easily reshoot a death for her.
Tovora ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:53:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe they could do that horrible CGI thing they did in Rogue One for her.
spoon_master ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 02:06:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude spoilers
superjuan ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:38:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also, where is Han?!
trevhutch ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:10:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you think she was always going to die in this and thatโs why they werenโt so fussed about what to do in Ep 9?
thedaddysaur ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:53:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, it was already revealed by Mark that she had a major part in Episode IX.
ContinuumGuy ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:02:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I gotta admit... I don't think the deception would go so deep that they'd lie about that.
Deadybears ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:13:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Think you might be right on this one.
Crackerpool ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:24:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Please
Forjamesalec ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:44:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I donโt know. Regardless of her real life passing, spending the new trilogy killing off the cast of the original trilogy seems like a really bleak plan. This isnโt game of thrones. It seems like it would be playing to peopleโs expectations way too much.
Sipstime ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:23:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Stugotz is strong in you
homefree122 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:59:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Daaaaaaaaaaaaan!
3xTheSchwarm ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:27:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This has been my theory for a long time. I had heard rumors and reports on the various starwars news blogs that in order to lessen Fishers screen time (likely because theres just not much for her to do in this film, given its focus on Luke and the new trilogies characters) they were going to have her hit in the attack (a big explosion) and hospitalized/unconscious early in the film. Perhaps she was set to reawaken later in ep8 or in ep9, but bc Leah was already hurt badly in this film, when Fisher died in real life they just had her character not come out of recovery and simlly pass. How they will reference it in nine idk, but i bet the source of her death is in 8.
LaxSagacity ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:40:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have actually wondered if this is the case and everything about her role in the following film is misdirect.
ProteinStain ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:17:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
:-( I just realized, we get to see her die, again.....
longhrnfan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not by Kylo. He and Rey are switching sides in this film with kylo and like bringing her back to good or neutral in 9.
DriveACarIntoMyButt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:51:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not because kylo kills her in that scene, though. Kylo dies there while Leia watches. Then she dies in bed of despair. Just gives up knowing han and kylo are dead.
PurifiedVenom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:14:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not that hot of a take honestly
That_One_Cool_Guy ยท 758 points ยท Posted at 02:00:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is it.
Trailer was amazing. I didn't need to be any more hyped but I am. I can't wait!
suckfail ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:02:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is there any chance Rey turns to the dark side by episode 9, and then 10-12 are focusing on bringing her down?
Essentially re-doing the original 6 story line but with Rey as Vader?
RandomRedditor44 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:19:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do we have any confirmation of episodes 10-12?
therealggamerguy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:20:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
IIRC, Disney is going to make a lot of Star Wars movies.
meluckycharms123 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:16:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd be okay with that. The force has been a sausage fest as far as screen time is concerned.
JamesHardens ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:39:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you kidding? rouge one and TFA both had female leads....
meluckycharms123 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:41:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rogue one: Not a jedi TFA: this is what i'm talking about.
I meant in Star Wars movies as a whole.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:21:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Notice what Finn is wearing when he attacks Captain Phasma? Is that a First Order uniform? I wonder if that means he goes back either undercover as a spy or actually rejoins for a brief time?
logicalkangarooo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:45:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same here, December can't get here soon enough
CedarCabPark ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:52:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was concerned at first, but the trailer looks good. Cautiously optimistic.
For context I loved TFA. The mirroring of ANH was intentional in every way. This looks like, while keeping the dark tone of the middle chapter, we'll get some new things.
I wonder if Rey will turn dark, and Boyega will end up as the true protagonist by the last film. I'd like them to try something bold like that, but if they don't it's fine.
willmcavoy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:31:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:56:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I had only seen the first trilogy (sorry if I am using the wrong wording, but I mean ANH, ESB and RotJ) once each, and only a little bit of Phantom Menace and RotS, so I felt like I had some idea of what was going on enough to go see Force Awakens, and I was really entertained by it, even though I'm not well-versed enough to be a diehard fan.
But now I'm so happy I have seen what I have, because this looks like SO much fun.
After Force Awakens, I thought it said May or Winter 2018 or something, and I was in not great health and it made me sad because even if I wasn't dead, I might not be in good enough health to enjoy it. I didn't even know this movie was coming out this December until maybe two months ago, and now that I am feeling better and will for-sure be alive barring a freak accident, I am really really psyched.
Chris_Parker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:16:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm bummed because it had the exact opposite effect on me :(
I'm still going to see it, but I don't have any hype for it since I wasn't a fan of the two movies that came out recently, and this trailer really just hit a lot of notes I didn't like.
ehrgeiz91 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:23:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I totally agree and yours is the only critical comment Iโve seen in all the threads lol. The hype is real and thereโs no room for anything else.
It just seems kind of lifeless to me, not unlike TFA. No character or soul. Very action-packed, almost too much (very Avengers-y...) and not very unique (red snowy dust and spikey tunnels and screaming furbys do not make it โuniqueโ). From the trailer at least, it lacks the spirit and โfeelโ of the originals and yes, even the prequels.
Chris_Parker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:20:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right? I just don't feel the magic, at all. There's so many callbacks to Empire and the original trilogy and it makes me feel wary because of how overloaded Force Awakens was with its 'homage' shtick. It just feels like an action sci-fi romp and another 'well, it's a fine action movie, but not a good Star Wars movie.' It's like I feel attached to so little with these movies that the only thing they could do to surprise me is actually be good.
ehrgeiz91 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:10:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I couldnโt agree more. I actually liked the first 1/3 or so of TFA when it was just sort of the intimate simple journey with Rey. But I found the first order utterly unthreatening and try hard, especially the red headed leader guy and to a lesser extent Kylo. Couldnโt believe they threw away Hanโs entire character arc from smuggler to caring General to have him go BACK to being a smuggler, then kill him. The only part I really liked about it was Rey. Iโm getting the same space-action-but-not-really-Star-Wars vibe with this one.
Chris_Parker ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:24:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought the opening with Poe and Kylo was neat, but there's got to be some power creep going on when your two new characters are doing new shit that wasn't even like imaginable beforehand. Like, I just don't want it to turn into some weird Matrix shit where shit happens just because 'idk power i guess.'
I feel like the First Order is sort of in a weird spot because they're somehow both the last vestiges of the Empire but also so is the Resistance in relation to the Alliance... so what changed?
Personally, the only character I really liked was Kylo, because he was interesting and didn't get as robbed as Finn did by Rey showing up and being the best at everything on her first try because chosen one - not to mention Poe disappearing for the whole movie except to do flips and shoot stuff.
I feel like if they either did VII as a bridge story that led into a trilogy going from VIII - X or didn't number it and just called it The Force Awakens, it would have solved so many problems.
To me, it really only served to connect the original trilogy to whatever they're trying to do now and there was absolutely not enough weight in plot on its own aside from forcing tons of questions to be answered later. By removing the numbering or the idea that it's the beginning of a new trilogy and instead making it a set-up, reintroduction movie, it removes all the expectations that it didn't live up to and it would have gotten so much more hype. Like, imagine if it was just a taste of things to come and they still had a whole trilogy to sort out whatever kinks we thought were there? I'd be feeling so good (or at least cautiously optimistic) about this movie compared to how I feel about it now.
Agrees_withyou ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:24:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can't say I disagree.
Juanzava ยท 127 points ยท Posted at 02:23:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just hope my boy Nien Nunb doesnโt get killed.
GregThePrettyGoodGuy ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 05:23:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thatโs the real spoiler they donโt want to get out
barneyflakes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:56:05 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What the hell is a "Nien Nunb"?
reck15 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:57:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I do, getting tired of his ass.
ardx ยท 1433 points ยท Posted at 02:02:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finn busting out TR-8R's weapon. Rebel scum spitting on the grave of a hero.
[deleted] ยท 611 points ยท Posted at 02:29:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The TR-8R becomes the TR-8E
Bryce2826 ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 06:35:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My lord... is that.. legal?
Thromnomnomok ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 09:15:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I will make it legal.
Kain292 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 11:36:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
political screaming
DeadSnark ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 12:45:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There must always be a Darth TR-8R. One who has been betrayed in his heart, and will betray in turn.
Montythe ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 02:41:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
he would be spinning in his grave
theVice ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 06:07:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's a neat trick!
SidepocketNeo ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 02:14:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ressistance Scum
tlhrek2011 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 02:22:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
reeeessssssssssssssssistance ssssssssssssssssscum
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:50:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's the difference? Scum is scum
bogidyboy ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 02:53:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually the First Order is a lot more progressive and they consider โscumโ to be an insensitive term.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:53:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Huh. The more you know.
ardx ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:18:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Calling them the "Resistance" legitimizes them as some sort of freedom fighters, when they are actually the terrorist arm of an illegitimate government.
Farncomb_74 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:25:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
non existent* government.
zanduby ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:39:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The new Finn black series figure is him in the uniform with the baton. So cool.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:40:17 on October 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
redundant
zombienutsack ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:38:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hear hear! Hunt down every last rebel
Ihaveopinionstoo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:52:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
iirc, it was his own squadmate's weapon, Nines...honoring him after defeating him.
do him proud finn...do him proud.
Static_Unit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:30:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol is the weapon actually a TR-8R?
CannibalEmpire ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:53:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
naw the weapon is apparently a Z6 baton
WhenceYeCame ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 03:01:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The stormtrooper that had it was nicknamed TR-8R
one_armed_herdazian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:51:41 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Spinny stick
Lazaras ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:41:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"traitor" weapon Edit: shoot didn't even know about this meme. Need to lurk more
JuniorCaptain ยท 234 points ยท Posted at 02:07:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Loving how the soundtrack is evolving. There's a lot more weight to Rey's theme now.
[deleted] ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 06:04:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was always an awesome piece of music. It had a kind of tragic innocence, loneliness, nativity, in TFA as we see her travel home from work and make dinner, all that stuff.
I will never understand the whiners saying TFAโs soundtrack had no new themes worthy of John Williams. Also Kyloโs theme, while very simple in TFA, did exactly what it needed to.
imsosick03k64 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:39:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not only that, but oh man, the switch over to a stronger more emotional Kylo theme REALLY got me in this trailer. Im not crying, you are.
nosleeptilmanhattan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:11:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have you ever heard the pipe organ fugue version?
BryceGladwin1 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:46:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trailers don't have soundtracks. ...
Jacyjitsu ยท 2096 points ยท Posted at 02:00:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs karma then.
[deleted] ยท 2327 points ยท Posted at 02:02:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you gilding me, master Jedi?
cjn13 ยท 685 points ยท Posted at 02:05:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The banking clan will gild this post
mistamosh ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 02:16:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Muuns will sign your treaty, but will not be gilding anyone.
Sailor_Gallifrey ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:39:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Speaking of the banking clan, have you ever heard the tragedy of Hego Demask the wise?
a_fish_out_of_water ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 02:06:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wanna buy some deathsticks?
BuckFurke ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 02:25:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You don't want to sell me deathsticks.
BOBULANCE ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 03:11:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I donโt want to sell you deathsticks.
Protocol_Freud ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 05:24:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You want to go home and rethink your life.
BOBULANCE ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 06:10:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to go home and rethink my life.
Less-Talk-More-Bach ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:28:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Now there are two of them!
Fantastic4unko ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:14:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You don't want to sell me deathsticks.
DeadDay ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:18:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm here for deathsticks?
a_fish_out_of_water ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:35:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thatโll be one gold please
Dinger64 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:08:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Credits will be fine
ShadSilvs2000 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 02:11:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/bankingclanmemes
andygootz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:59:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/ofcoursethatsathing
Delliott90 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:31:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am the reddit
Sheazer ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:11:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one.
scottysnacktimee ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:28:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't work like that
mrsuns10 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:53:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I got money in the bank
blanchattacks ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:37:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I AM THE BANKING CLAN
H0meskilit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:53:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I AM the banking clan!
Buttlet ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:59:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The techno union army's upvotes AA OOO WAAA OOO... are at your disposal.
DarthNightsWatch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:32:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The techno unio- Weeeeeeeeoooooooowwwwweeeeeeooooooweeeeeeeeeeeeeee will sign your treaty
Skwerilleee ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:07:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Swing and a miss.
Execute-Order-66 ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 02:05:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The redditors will decide your fate
karatemanchan37 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:06:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I AM THE SUBREDDIT
SaggitariutJeferspin ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:09:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not. Yet.
J0ttem ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:13:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's downvotes, then
PM_Me_Clavicle_Pics ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:36:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
autistic screeching
h00rayforstuff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:20:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I AM THE REDDIT
dspman11 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:07:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I AM the redditors!
3sheetz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:20:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck it, why not
TheWarDoctor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:12:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
NOT from a Jedi
jezzadickandjim ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:16:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooo
HalcyonEndures ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:03:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The moderators will decide your fate.
Anglefyre ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:08:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The mods will decide your fate!
Famixofpower ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:13:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
NOT YET
UltraSupertron ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:25:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
r/all will decide your date.
GedasGedonis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:38:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You underestimate my poverty!
mlhockey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
r/karmacourt will decide your fate
tinylegumes ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:05:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The karma will decide your fate.
Dont_Call_Me_John ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:07:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The upvotes will decide your fate.
๐๏ธ Nickbloom ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:13:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i have never seen raw power like this before
BehindTheBurner32 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:02:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Intoxicating, isn't it?
How do you suppose you can harness this power?
LasVegas_Raiders ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:04:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am the karma.
MysteriousMooseRider ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:09:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not yet.
Fantastic4unko ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:15:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have the high ground.
MysteriousMooseRider ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:18:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You underestimate my memes
Tyty8899 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:17:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HURH HURH HURHHHH
theserpentsmiles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:27:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not yet.
made_in_silver ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:50:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Karma! Unlimited Karmaaa!
tim200x ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tell that to karmaklub
jk021 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:22:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AUTISTIC GILDING
SoonerJDB ยท 201 points ยท Posted at 02:01:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did I learn something or nothing at all?! Someone tell me!
jonnybanana88 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 02:24:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
nothin at all
Keyboardkat105 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:07:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stupid sexy jump-cuts
blacksteel367 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:01:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:11:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Enough hype to go see the movie, but nothing accurate enough to make seeing it pointless.
Blackcoffee_milk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:22:17 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Feels like I'm learning nothing at all nothing at all
drunkmom ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:58:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Por que no los dos?
firstcoastrider ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:08:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ba da da da da da
IcanthearChris ยท 2850 points ยท Posted at 02:01:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I saw snow so I'm going to overreact and assume it's just a copy of episode 5
Sligmit ยท 1533 points ยท Posted at 02:07:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Poe frozen in carbonite confirmed.
infamous-spaceman ยท 2077 points ยท Posted at 02:34:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finn: I love you
Poe: I Poe.
Kerblaaahhh ยท 208 points ยท Posted at 02:49:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Poedor
thisrockismyboone ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 02:56:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Poe the door!
ninny_muffins ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 03:52:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
POES ON AN OPEN FIELD NED
meluckycharms123 ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 04:02:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
GODS I WAS POE THEN!
moonwalkindinos ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 04:32:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I donโt think Iโll ever get tired of r/freefolk leaking ๐๐ญ
jimboflux ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 04:53:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Careful moonwalkindinos, careful
mtheory11 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:23:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank the gods for Bessie, and her Poes.
shifty18 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:58:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Politely open the door!
diggerB ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 03:35:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Poedor Poedor Poedor Poedor
Poedor
POEDOR
AskJeevesAnything ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 03:23:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am C-3P-POE. Human cyborg relations. My red arm probably threw you off.
Chraaas ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 03:37:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
underrated comment
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:05:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I was a billionaire I would give you gold
mojobytes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:31:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dougie? Dougie Jones?
emberaith ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:33:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Meme or not, I almost wouldn't be mad. That would be legendary.
ToastyMustache ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:07:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Porg: EEEERRRRRAAAAAGGHHHH!
[deleted] ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 02:18:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
[removed]
RelaNarkin ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 02:27:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rey crashes her new X-Wing on Swampworld confirmed.
astrakhan42 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:33:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AskJeevesAnything ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:23:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let it Poe
astrakhan42 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:25:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The porgs never bothered me anyway
atomicbunny ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:22:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Itโll be called something else though. TRAILERS RUIN EVERYTHING I HATE EVERYTHING
juice06870 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:28:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lando cameo...confirmed.
LordJournalism ยท 322 points ยท Posted at 02:13:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thatโs not snow. Itโs salt.
sledge115 ยท 186 points ยท Posted at 02:48:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've never seen this much salt in the whole galaxy
your_mind_aches ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 04:10:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You haven't played Silver in CS:GO.
VaderPrime1 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 04:50:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Donโt go to r/starwarsbattlefront (although itโs probably warranted)
ScousePenguin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:18:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like I'm the only one who enjoys that game and doesn't mind if people pay extra to unlock stuff.
I'm not going to but if I had the cash and limited time to game then it doesn't seem like that bad of an idea.
John_Walker ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:08:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're not alone. I pre-ordered the elite trooper edition and after playing the beta, I'd have upgraded to the elite trooper addition if I had only pre-ordered the standard.
I'd have bought it for the star fighter assault mode alone.
ScousePenguin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:34:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't even touched that mode yet because I'm so bad at flying during the assault mode.
Definitely going to give it a go tonight
John_Walker ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 08:47:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Flying on theed is rough because of the tall buildings. First you need to be able to gain control of the skies, and then you need to be able to identify and engage ground targets with the confidence that you won't crash.
That's a lot to try to learn in a gamemode that is mainly infantry focused. The way to get better at flying is going to be the starfighter assault.
Ecko09 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:36:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm with you. I couldn't give less shit, game is awesome, I'm getting it day one.
Veternus ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 09:19:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hate salt... it's corse and irritating.
JobieWanKenobi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:58:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
coarse of course
Sly442 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:49:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then let me introduce to you the wonderful world of League.
Jojje22 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:28:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Clearly you haven't been to the T_D subreddit.
JobieWanKenobi ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:57:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
don't think you understand salt
superfly355 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:19:27 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's also an entire planet made of spice with these giant worms
randomsnark ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 02:50:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
from all the fans assuming it's just a copy of episode 5
CyberhamLincoln ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 02:31:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It gets everywhere...
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:36:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not like sugar.... sugars sweet.... smooth
gyutop ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:44:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Salt foxes?
NatureBaker ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:07:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's what I said. Sodium Chloride.
CallMeJeeJ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:51:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
From all the greasy fanboys?
BrendansBhoys ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:19:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thatโs what I said, sodium chloride
hell0there__ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:20:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Born amidst salt and smoke...
crazylegscowpuss ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:54:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is he a ham?
Lemerney2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:49:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snoke is azor ahai get hype.
Pitticus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:08:15 on December 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How did you know???!
LordJournalism ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:29:18 on December 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs in the book โLeia: Princess of Alderaanโ and Iโve listened to countless podcasts counting down to TLJ.
The_True_Zephos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:19:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's no salt.
LordJournalism ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:06:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs a salt station.
ChumBunkley ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:54:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hate salt, it's so course, it gets everywhere
nosleeptilmanhattan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:11:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not the sort of snow you're used to in California, Mr. Roth?
Gardinatrix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:59:44 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Azor Jedi, born in salt and...Snoke?
[deleted] ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 02:22:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And imperial walkers.
Reys hand is soooo gone!
Emperor_Neuro ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 02:34:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Come to think of it, we haven't seen anyone lose a hand in the new trilogy. We're overdue.
Well, C-3PO kinda lost his hand in ep. 7, but it was repaired before the movie started...
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:35:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Both middle films saw the main character lose their hand so it seems very likely.
Ice_Climbers ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:32:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think they're going to surprise us by having Rey lose her leg.
chaosfire235 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:47:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In before Kylo offering his hand at the end is gonna be answered with Rey chopping it off.
Meytak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:09:53 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh shit, that was C-3PO?
BigDickRichie ยท 215 points ยท Posted at 02:07:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke and Vader confrontation = confirmed
Dr_Silk ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 03:27:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
More like
Snoke: "Vader never told you what happened to your father"
Luke: "I killed him!"
Snoke: "No... I am your father!"
Luke: "Well that was unexpected"
BigDickRichie ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 03:49:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snoke: "Vader never told you what happened to your father"
Luke: "I killed him!"
Snoke: "No... I am your father!"
Luke: "A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one." Snoke and Luke hug and cry
Directed by Rian Johnson
Tasteful_Dick_Pics ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 03:25:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
SKYWALKER BOWL GET FUCKIN' HYPE
jimboflux ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:55:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Airhorns blair and chickens beware!
Meh_Turkey_Sandwich ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 02:31:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The bad guys dress in white? This is EXACTLY like Empire!
greyjackal ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:56:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Krennic.
whitemike40 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:34:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rey running off to confront snoke before she's ready, possibly to save her friends?
where have I seen that before?
Meh_Turkey_Sandwich ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:22:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A hero very often runs off before theyโre ready in a lot of movies. Empire wasnโt the first or the last.
kaian-a-coel ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 11:05:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AT-ATs, snow, millenium falcon flying inside caves/asteroids to dodge TIEs, Rey going into a cave in what looks dangerously like a dagobah scene, Rey confrontation with Snoke (?) that echoes the Bespin duel, the mega-star destroyer that's like the Executor BUT BIGGER (so original!)...
Yeah I'm worried. Kylo's my last hope.
Forever_Man ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:48:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can legitimately see this happening. Like the snow and the new AT-ATs are going to be huge sources of criticism for people.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:50:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously though, while I hope it's not, there are a few things in the trailer that point to similarities with ESB. Like the scene at the end (though we don't know whom Kylo is gesturing to) and Luke could become a reluctant teacher, like Yoda after the raw strength scene. Granted, it's very likely this is all a misdirection but still.
BroDameron_ ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:21:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm mostly sure that's Crait and salt crystals, etc...
OfficialGarwood ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:23:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not snow. It's salt. Like salt-flats you'd see in utah.
Mrqueue ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 08:58:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
when we find out Kylo and Rey are brother and sister I'm going to audibly boo
theredditoro ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:38:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also AT-AT's in snow. Get it right.
astraeos118 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:44:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
LITERAL. CARBON. COPY.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:27:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snow with rebel base being attacked by AT-ATs. After episode 7 how can you not assume you're gonna watch episode 5.V2?
AidynValo ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:15:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's totally not a copy. Episode 5's snow battle was on Hoth. This one is on Colth.
ProteinStain ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:14:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is bullshit!
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:20:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted]
LordJournalism ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 02:23:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh hi Mark.
Julianhyde88 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:28:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
oh hi Mark
abluersun ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:38:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have to admit that would be kind of funny. Wait, does that mean the gerbil is the new Yoda?
Spanka ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:02:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
With newer AT-AT's! With newer snow speeders! With newer mountain bases! Wait...
Shadoscuro ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:24:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Especially the giant training sequence in a remote area with an old Jedi in exile...hmmm.....
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:27:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snow with rebel base being attacked by AT-ATs. After episode 7 how can you not assume you're gonna watch episode 5.V2?
ocyries ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:26:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The last one was basically a remake, why wouldn't this one be?
Anglefyre ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:09:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't like sand
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:35:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"This is not going to go how you think" = "not ready are you"
jb2386 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:37:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cue Battlestar Galactica: This has all happened before and will all happen again.
ScousePenguin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:17:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
With the AT AT like things are the start feel like they definitely did that as a bit of a joke.
dadrawk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:35:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Starkiller Base II confirmed
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:02:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah that's in episode 9
Squidhead62 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:26:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think you actually saw salt!
Ecko09 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:35:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not snow though
FreebaseMcGee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:37:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thankfully itโs sand or something. I had the same initial reaction.
kattfront ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:29:14 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
With all this talk about "destiny" they might actually get away with that one.
The Sith lord getting an apprentice that eventually kills him and thus become the new Sith lord, who in turn get a new apprentice that eventually kill him...
Can't believe how everyone still make the same mistake after ten thousand years.
Hockeybum11 ยท 285 points ยท Posted at 02:16:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To those thinking they join forces
http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/000/157/itsatrap.jpg
kidwifi ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 08:37:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep.
I'm 90% sure that shot of Rey is actually her talking to Chewie at the campfire we see in the BTS reel.
Rogue-Knight ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 10:28:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ChewRey confirmed.
warau_meow ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 05:32:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reylo trash train
______DEADPOOL______ ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 06:32:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Plot twist: They actually do and Rey turns to the dark side. Luke will then truly be the last of the Jedi.
EP9 will be Luke Vs the Universe.
DarthEwok42 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:22:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Double plot twist - Luke convinces Kylo to come back to the light. Rey vs Kylo but switch who the bad guy is!
Alphaman1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:28:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean the lighting of the two scenes are so different that I feel like it's obvious that they aren't in the same shot. Honestly ruined a perfectly good trailer for me cause it feels like they edited it that way just to bait people.
deafis ยท 2009 points ยท Posted at 02:02:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sam Bradford should Stop playing
tronfunkinblows_10 ยท 594 points ยท Posted at 02:29:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love this football comment in the sea of star wars comments.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 06:34:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The thing about Football comments is, they always try and walk it in!
the2belo ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 08:57:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck the Yankees
geekymama ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:14:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And fuck the Flames!
Domster_02 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:38:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah! Sports!
TurboMoisture ยท 51 points ยท Posted at 02:08:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did he get benched?
deafis ยท 69 points ยท Posted at 02:09:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope so for the sake of his health
gogglesup859 ยท 58 points ยท Posted at 02:24:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know it's bad when this happens.
bj_good ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:26:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
OUCH. Yeah they need to bench him. He's not healthy
TurboMoisture ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:15:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dudes made of glass
Freddit- ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 02:26:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's still dealing with knee pain. He's a very strong QB who doesn't slide on runs. He's out of practice too. They need to let him heal up fully before putting him back in. Keenum's doing fine for now.
Sooners19 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:40:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man even coming from a Sooner, he's peaked and should hang em up.
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 02:54:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Last two years were literally his best and healthiest.
DViddy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:27:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Coming from a Cowboy who watched that dumb Hesiman spin jump moment in person at Boone Pickens and died inside... I always wanted him to be successful because he seemed like a nice guy but he needs to stop.
Sooners19 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:03:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It just hurts the soul watching a school legend and Heisman Winner drop down untouched to save his body. SAVE YOUR SOUL TOO SAMMY B!! CLIMB OFF THAT FIELD AND BACK TO OUR HEARTS!
DroidsImLooking4 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 02:27:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Get ready for Teddy time boys!
YoungKeys ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:42:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit I forgot he existed
metanoia29 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:28:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Both teams just need to agree to a draw.
xMycelium ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:59:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wasn't entirely his fault, that O-Line got carved up all night
Obi_Wan_Benobi ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:09:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He damn sure doesn't need the money!
Source: Former Rams fan.
rondell_jones ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:48:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely started him a game too early.
MillenialsSmell ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:20:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just trying to generate some trade value hype, since teddy is back in a week or three
SaggitariutJeferspin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:59:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sam Bradford stopped playing
douche-baggins ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:26:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sam Bradford looked totally out of place. Like, the 4th row trombone player got lost one day after practice and ended up in the middle of the locker room and saw someone else's pads and tried them on, not bothering to resize them for his smaller frame.
pizzaguy4378 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:25:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No one can stop Sammy biscuits!!!
fender0327 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:33:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Peg Leg? Yea, he needs to stop playing. Dude is done. He has no killer instinct and he can't stay healthy.
69Centhalfandhalf ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:54:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He is Romo level prone to injuries.
mrsuns10 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:52:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I find your lack of faith disturbing
surfwax584 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:55:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He nearly died
rex_dart_eskimo_spy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:38:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like, forever
houstonUA6 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:37:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seems like we got our wish. Go Coogs!
grilledcheesesoup ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:59:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol can't believe the Eagles got a first rounder for him
I_need_that_bacon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:16:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"GODS I WAS HEALTHY THEN"
Darth_Ra ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 04:45:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The NFL should stop playing.
(Note: the signature is a bet i lost in /r/cfb, and refers to the Red Raiders. As previously stated, the NFL Raiders should stop playing.)
GoOoOoOoOoOOO RAIDERS!!!!
the2belo ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 08:57:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
kneels
Darth_Ra ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:24:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, that's the thing I'm least upset about. Players can kneel, stand, or do cartwheels for all I care. The fact that it's been blown out of proportion by everyone involved (and especially so by those not involved) is the only part that makes me angry.
The NFL at large is actively screwing over their fans while simultaneously blackmailing their communities and the tax payers. Add to that that it's the most boring iteration of football and the 85 different commercials I have to slog through to pad the pockets of the same team owners who claim they can't afford stadiums...
Yeah, screw the NFL.
GoOoOoOoOoOOO RAIDERS!!!!
marcohtx ยท 414 points ยท Posted at 02:04:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space battles look dope. The Finn vs Phasma set piece looks amazing! I think all the spoilery things with Rey, Kylo, and Leia are all red herrings, and are different scenes spliced together. Nice to see Snoke in the flesh.
filmbuffering ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 03:00:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And it didn't even show the casino. That set piece is going to be amazing.
BlackCaaaaat ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:31:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My money is on fake. But my jaw literally dropped so they did a great job.
The_True_Zephos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:20:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I prefer him as a gigantic hologram. Dude is ugly AF.
yummyyummypowwidge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:35:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm going to go out on a limb and say that the Resistance has attacked Snokeโs stronghold and that Kylo is extending a hand to Snoke to help him up
NotSure2505 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:13:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Will this be the first 2nd of a trilogy film to break the โno major space battlesโ tradition?
DukeElliot ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:20:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
flirtingly shows a little snoke ankle
[deleted] ยท 282 points ยท Posted at 02:23:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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MayIServeYouWell ยท 217 points ยท Posted at 03:57:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They function better as Solos, not Duos.
joaosembraco ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:56:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hahaha. I think I must be a Solo too.
xKetjow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I guess they couldn't win lane when they went duoQ
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 04:36:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
deleted What is this?
Ninjaassassinguy ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 05:03:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's because Luke didn't teach Kylo how to dodge
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:05:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
deleted What is this?
Ninjaassassinguy ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:06:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well first kylo's dad would have to die
Wait
SmokingBun ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:38:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
By having a hole punched through his chest
HANG ON A SECOND!!...
ShadowPhoenix22 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:36:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have there been any good parents in Star Wars?
Ball-Blam-Burglerber ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:47:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did they even get married?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:39:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Ball-Blam-Burglerber ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:04:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks!
Koobie88 ยท 75 points ยท Posted at 02:02:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I sense misdirection. Hardcore misdirection.
wenzel32 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:07:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I sense a trap.
SlumdogSkillionaire ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Next move?
wenzel32 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:36:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Spring the trap.
แ( แ )แ
NihiloZero ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:54:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke is the primary villain and Snoke is largely irrelevant.
Pinkstonewallfloyd ยท 422 points ยท Posted at 02:10:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke is genuinely afraid of Rey I think. Thats really saying something.
Rosenthalferdinand ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 06:35:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke and Rey were untrained, yet the force basically rushed into them to do great things. Luke turns from a farmboy to a crack pilot in days. Rey fucks off a desert planet and holds her own against a trained darkside user in a week.
Undirected, unfocused, pure force power just flowing into these people like a broken dam...I would be scared, too.
cavelioness ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 07:26:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you think it's because Vader so drastically reduced the number of force users? Like it has fewer outlets, so it has to flow harder from the few it does have.
dooyaunastan ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 07:33:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
From everything we've been able to understand about the force, I don't think it works that way, as appealing as it sounds. It does kinda remind me of the Four Pests Campaign conducted by China ~60 years ago.
WikiTextBot ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 07:33:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Four Pests Campaign
The Great Sparrow Campaign (Chinese: ๆ้บป้่ฟๅจ; pinyin: Dว Mรกquรจ Yรนndรฒng), also known as the Kill a Sparrow Campaign (Chinese: ๆถ็ญ้บป้่ฟๅจ; pinyin: Xiฤomiรจ Mรกquรจ Yรนndรฒng) and, officially, as the Four Pests Campaign, was one of the first actions taken in the Great Leap Forward in China from 1958 to 1962. The four pests to be eliminated were rats, flies, mosquitoes, and sparrows. The extermination of sparrows resulted in severe ecological imbalance, prompting Mao to end the campaign against sparrows and redirect the focus to bed bugs.
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Daxx22 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:18:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In the EU this was part of Darth Banes reasoning for creating the Rule of Two, to make them stronger.
Confused_MonCalamari ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:03:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That had nothing to do with there being less spread out midichlorians. The Rule of Two made the Sith stronger because, by killing their master, every sith was obviously more powerful than their precedents. A master trains an apprentice. If the apprentice manages to kill the master, that shows he was more powerful. If the apprentice of that guy killed him, then he was even more powerful. And so on and so on until you get an extremely powerful sith.
Whereas if you didn't have that, a bunch of weak trainees team up on the master and kill him. And then instead of one very powerful sith, you get a bunch of weak siths running around. And then they get destroyed because of internal fighting.
It had nothing to do with the force being contained in less individuals.
Daxx22 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:32:22 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lets just agree to ignore that altogether :P
The author seemed to abandon it in subsequent passages but during Bane's initial conception of the Rule of Two he theorized that too many Sith were diluting the power available, and drastically reducing their numbers would allow the Force to flow more strongly through those left. Works both ways potentially, and as the Bane books aren't canon anymore we'll just have to wait and see if there is ever a canon explanation.
CrazyLlamaX ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 11:37:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In a week? More like a day.
EntropicReaver ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:06:16 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke was a crack pilot before that, he used to bullseye womp rats in his t-16, not much bigger than two meters.
ObsidianSkyKing ยท 92 points ยท Posted at 03:30:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This kinda kills me inside since during the EU Luke was pretty much confirmed the strongest Jedi who ever lived.
thebutterycanadian ยท 53 points ยท Posted at 05:32:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know :( Ever since the first trailer of Force Awakens I've been holding out hope for an incredible Luke force god scene or something, but I guess they're going the "new generation is stronger" route this time. Hopefully they still make him a badass though
Cloudy_mood ยท 57 points ยท Posted at 06:38:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm with you. I need to see some SERIOUS ass kickery from Luke. We waited 30+ years for it.
FFfurkandeger ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 07:36:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am expecting at least something like Maul vs Obi-Wan in the Rebels. That was epic.
darknesscylon ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:17:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's episode 9
Midnightproxxima ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 11:53:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It would take away from the story if Luke or Snoke were near unstoppable uber badass force gods I think. The EU was more malleable and such characters could be worked into the stories.
thebutterycanadian ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 14:11:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course. I'm not asking him to move black holes or whatever he was doing in Legends, but it'll just be a bit disappointing if Rey - a brand new Jedi - already turns out stronger than Luke was after like 30 years of training
Midnightproxxima ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:14:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh I doubt that. She will be stronger as a beginner than Luke was at that age though.
Stoneghoul ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 05:35:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He was basically a Force God. Way OP.
Nihht ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 12:00:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a nice idea but that would kinda fuck up this entire trilogy if they did the same thing, like what significance would Rey have if Luke was stronger than her.
RHPR07 ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 12:17:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think Lukeโs a spiritually broken man. Heโs still Uber OP just has a confidence issue, heโll train try and find the confidence within himself again.
Either that or he just needs a good woman, Mara Jade anyone?
Nihht ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 12:21:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tbf I would be fucked up if my apprentice murdered all my other apprentices and went off to destroy the republic I had dedicated my adult life to safeguarding.
And I would become way more fucked up if I found out that my best friend was murdered by said former apprentice and also literally trillions of people ended up dying because I went into hiding after the first series of events.
I half-expect Luke to be in a catatonic state throughout the entire movie because he's so fucked up by the realization of what he let happen, and the rare moments he actually does something that passes for normal human behavior are the things we got in the trailer.
HellWolf1 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:04:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget that the apprentice is also the son of your twin sister and a good friend
ObsidianSkyKing ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 12:26:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She doesn't have to be stronger than Luke to have her own story. The fact that she's force sensitive is relevance enough. Take Luke's son, Ben for example.
Harvey-Specter ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:20:03 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ben Skywalker doesn't exist anymore.
Claytertot ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:09:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rey doesnt have to be more powerful than luke for him to fear her power. Not as a threat to himself, but to others
MeatTornado25 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:39:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Too strong imo
levitikush ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:44:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He was, until Rey was born.
[deleted] ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 03:57:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
levitikush ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 12:31:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FU
stalreja ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 03:40:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't the Jedi way not to hold fear? (I don't remember the Yoda quote from prequel trilogy) but isn't Luke genuinely FEARING somebody go against everything he has learned as a Jedi? Maybe this is less about Rey and more about Luke, the experiences he's had (especially with Kylo) has messed with him so much he's lost touch with the Jedi ways, hence being the "Last Jedi"
ricosgamertag ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 04:13:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think he's a Jedi in the traditional sense anymore.
Stoneghoul ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 05:37:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke never was a traditional Jedi.
NihiloZero ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 05:27:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think he's much of a Jedi at all. I think he's dark gray lunatic who has gone mad with power.
Aeon_Mortuum ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 13:19:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He lives alone on top of a rock
Ask-About-My-Book ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 05:53:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's why it's time for the Jedi to end.
[deleted] ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 03:11:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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UNSKIALz ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 03:20:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's seen it before in Ren. Foreshadowing perhaps!
rustyphish ยท 57 points ยท Posted at 03:23:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or in Vader, there's the classic line where he tells Yoda he's not afraid and Yoda says "you will be"
swingsetmafia ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 03:30:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i wonder if we will get any force ghost yoda or kenobi.
Middle_Stall_Pooper ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 03:46:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There were rumors a while ago that there were sightings of a new Yoda puppet at the studio...
meluckycharms123 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:04:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh I hope so!
TheSaintBernard ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:37:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want them too but they better not disrespect Alec Guinness.
swingsetmafia ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:45:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
agreed
Confused_MonCalamari ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:05:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't even be mad if Obi-Wan's force ghost was Ewan McGregor.
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 04:28:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Redpeg1 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 05:46:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't Vader hold back in episode 6 ?
Jcit878 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 07:21:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
rey is who destroyed the temple, snoke was a pupil (explains the burns?) kylo was jealous and han mind wiped and hid rey on jakku?
RHPR07 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:19:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just had this same thought. I like it.
Zombiegoose77 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 09:48:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or uncontrolled power? Could be afraid of that?
Edit: watched it again, and I think he's talking about the emperor. He WAS raw power and, no, Luke was not afraid... Even if he clearly should have been
fairlywired ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:31:25 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
UNLIMITED POWERRRRRRRR
Rozava ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:17:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, It cleary refered to Ben Solo.
Gaffsgvdhdgdvh ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 05:40:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't get it when he said he has seen this power before and wasn't afraid enough. I think he meant kylo but the hasn't he faced Vader and the emperor before?!
Zombiegoose77 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 09:54:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. Think he's talking about the emperor
RHPR07 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 12:18:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Could....he be referring to Rey herself? Thatโs why he dropped her off on Jakku?
Cheshire_Human ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 04:10:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is it just me that really doesnโt like that? Iโm personally a fan of gaining power because of something, which is a big reason why I like Revan so much. This whole thing with Rey being Uber powerful kinda feels like episode 6 Luke again โOh shit the bad guy is super powerful so we need to have an equally powerful good guy. Anybody think of a legitimate reason? No? Oh well, just make it happenโ.
Luke is supposed to be one the most if not the most powerful force being EVER. So why the hell is he afraid of anything Rey might do?
PM_MeYourDataScience ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 10:01:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Funny you mention Revan, if Rey had been mind wiped.. Luke could even be referring to her in that quote.
Why would someone throw a kid onto Jakku? Maybe because they deserve it.
RHPR07 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:20:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just had the same thought, I think thereโs potential there.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:53:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair not only did he see what happened with Ben, but he has to know more details from what happens with the Jedi and why they feared his father. We donโt know who Ray is but he could see history going around for take 3
Gaffsgvdhdgdvh ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 05:41:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I actually laughed at his facial expressions when the rock cracked
Vihurah ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 12:29:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
luke: "wtf bitch...."
Leroy_Flynn ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 05:17:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well yeah. Imagine all the back pay on child support he might owe.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:29:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It'd be hella fun if she was a Palpatine clone, and they put her on Jakku to keep everyone safe.
She'd be a dark force user being pulled towards the light, and Kylo is the exact opposite.
doesntaffrayed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:40:49 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know gender is a bit of a contentious topic these days, but I'm pretty confident Palpatine didn't have a vagina.
If Rey was a clone she wouldn't be a "she"...
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:44:17 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It would be a surprise, to be sure, but a welcome one
doesntaffrayed ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:19:17 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I love prunes too <3
I always wondered how his face would feel against my inner thighs.
blockpro156 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:28:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It probably says more about him than it says about her.
PSI_Rockin_Omega ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:08:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It will be good to see her force powers be used as something other than comic relief.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:25:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He really should know not to give in to fear.
silentiom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:07:06 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What is it saying
NihiloZero ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 05:26:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke's fear is probably what led him to the dark side and allowed him to be the most powerful force user in the galaxy. But I don't think he's genuinely afraid of Rey... even if he pretends otherwise.
schulz100 ยท 237 points ยท Posted at 02:47:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If there's one thing Awakens taught me, it's that trailers can actually still not spoil. If anything, they can actually misdirect your expectations completely; remember when we all though Finn was going to be the Force-sensitive main character of Awakens? Fucking hell, remember how wholesome Rogue One managed to make itself seem, even in the initial reveal trailer that almost seemed to be lampshading one of the good guys going evil?
The minds behind Star Wars now seem to know how to make trailers, and how to use those trailers to play with our expectations. I'm looking at this as a masterful example of misdirection until proven otherwise; much like Awakens, they're setting us up to go in thinking things that aren't actually the case in the actual story, just so the reality of the story surprises us all the more because we went in thinking we had a rough idea of who would do what and when.
There are some obvious base plotlines that can't be misdirected; Rey is clearly super powerful in the Force, and that's why Luke will refuse to train her initially. Who else he's referring to is up in the air (he has run into basically ALL the majorly powerful Force users left throughout his lifetime; Yoda, Vader, Palpatine, probably Snoke, Kylo, Obi-Wan), but the point remains the same; he doesn't trust himself or Rey to be able to handle the power she has properly. Snoke obviously also has a major interest in Rey; so much so that they meet personally.
On a truly speculative note, I do think Kylo will go through with it and kill Leia, but that's gonna be his turning point. He's going to realize after that that he actually can't hack it as a true Dark Sider; not because he couldn't kill Leia, but because what killing her stirs within him emotionally. Likewise, Rey may dip closer to the Dark Side than Luke is comfortable with, given her apparently enormous potential, but like him in Return, she won't let herself be totally seduced by it (and they'll obviously come to spats over that). What I think we may be seeing for the next movie and a half is the last vanguards of the old ways of looking at the Force (Luke, but Snoke especially) die off/kill each other while their prospective students/heirs of Kylo and Rey blaze a new trail of rough neutrality in the Force (or at least try to).
Luke and Snoke will both resist, for entirely different reasons. Luke because while he knows that anyone can be redeemed from the depths of the Dark Side (like his father was), the destruction they can wreak while under its influence won't ever be undone. As much as people can be pulled from the depths, it's better for them to never risk falling into them in the first place. Seriously flirting with the Dark Side in search of middle ground isn't the be-all end-all indictment of Force behavior, but it's certainly cosmic reckless endangerment of tons of living beings if you do fall. Snoke because the absence of the conflict between Light and Dark deprives him of both his goal and his reasoning for his power. What does he have to fight against as the latest spearhead of the Dark Side if there's a middle ground to be reached? How does he maintain his power structure and his personal power if there's another path Force Users can take that isn't a total dichotomy of Light or Dark?
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:43:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think that you are exactly right. The trailer seems to be a bunch of double negatives. So like obviously they wouldn't spoil kylo killing Leia in the trailer. So most people agree that that's probably not going to happen.
But I do think that Leia will die. And I also don't think that Rey is going to go to the dark side like is implied in the trailer, but I do think that she and Kylo will team up together.
It's kind of like the trailer was so obvious in a lot of its spoilers that you know that they can't be actual spoilers, so you keep thinking well it must be the opposite of that, its a red herring. But it actually it is a spoiler, just not in the way you think.
The true plot is how Kylo and Rey, Luke and Snoke, are going to blur the lines of good/evil. This isn't just the continuation of Reys story, its the continuation of Anakin, Luke, and the Jedis as well. The death of the bad guy isn't enough, the inner dynamics of good/evil need to be rearranged.
steamwhistler ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 04:52:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's weird that they would spoil it in the trailer, but ignoring that for a second, this would be a fitting "on screen" death for the character that they could have written and/or created in post after Carrie Fisher's death: exactly as it's shown in the trailer, but with a final wide shot of Kylo's ship blowing up Leia's.
I'd way rather have that than some off-screen death for the character between movies that we hear about in Ep 9. "Oh her? She died."
Best case scenario is that she will die in a similar way, like her ship gets blown up by someone or something we can't yet predict, so she gets a proper on-screen death but not exactly the one they've already dangled out there.
terraphantm ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 11:38:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They could have it so that Kylo decides not to kill her, but she dies anyway. Would probably fuck with his mind even more.
x2040 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:24:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As she is about to die she communicates with the force to Kylo. Her last words: "I love you".
He responds: "I know"
Light side Kylo awoken.
Cheshire_Human ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 04:16:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is it just me, or does Rey being more powerful than Luke not make any sense. Also, Windu was already kinda showed us that mixing some dark with light is chill, so what is Luke afraid of? Personally, Iโm going to continue to hold out for a Boba Fett or Revan movie. Like, what would happen if there was someone hunting Jedi?
DISNEY I WANT MY FETT MOVIE DAMN IT
schulz100 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 05:06:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Was it really chill, though? I'm not sure if Vaapad is even canon anymore, and I also recall that everyone BUT Mace who tried to use Vaapad ended up succumbing to the Dark Side.
It's also not that Rey is immediately and practically more powerful than Luke (though Kylo is arguably also already more powerful than Luke; have we seen Luke freeze a blaster bolt in mid air?), it's that her potential power is such that Luke makes the point he's only met one other person in his life who was as powerful as she could be. He just didn't know enough then to recognize how truly dangerous that level of power is.
I also feel like Luke is probably going to be against the super-powerful next generation of Force users trying to find a middle ground between Light and Dark, because that's what he probably thought he was going to do, and look how that turned out. That's probably what he tried to build his new jedi order around (he managed it in Return, after all), and that got wiped off the map because his nephew ended up falling to the Dark Side anyway. Luke may well consider the attempt to find a middle ground, or lightly dip into the Dark Side without succumbing to it completely, as more or less a failed experiment that's nothing more than reckless. He knows someone who falls can be pulled back out, but the person who won't fall is too rare to make playing for some sort of middle ground anything but a losing proposition in the long term.
He maybe knows about Mace Windu (but again, Windu is arguably more evidence for a middle ground not working, because he was the exception to his own techniques, not the rule), and he knows he managed to pull himself back from the brink in Return. But he also probably knows how close he came to falling over completely, and the turning of Ben and destruction of the new jedi order probably just cemented worries he already had in the back of his mind that the people who can resist the temptation of the Dark Side are few and far between.
Kopfballer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:33:09 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo had problems fighting a non-force user like Finn and was nearly beaten by Rey who didn't have any training yet. I'm still not so sure about his powers... slaughtering younglings together with the Knights of Ren isn't that difficult.
Maybe thats also a reason why Snoke wants Rey instead of Kylo, because Kylo isn't as strong as Snoke hoped.
That's also why I don't think that Luke is talking about Kylo in his "I have already seen such power before"-speech.
schulz100 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:30:45 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, Kylo had just tanked a shot from a gun that killed literally everyone else it shot, and I'd argue he didn't have problems fighting Finn. Go back to the scene and watch what happens when Finn gets a good shot in; Kylo immediately turns it up and just lays him out. He thinks he doesn't need to worry about beating a defector trooper, even if that trooper has a lightsaber. When he realizes he's hurt enough, and Finn knows enough, that he's in actual danger he stops messing around and just drops Finn like a bad habit.
Likewise, Rey was already shown to be powerful enough that she could beat his mind probe; she's been established as at least his equal in terms of sheer potential strength, if not his superior.
Again, it's that question of raw power vs focused power. The kids may well be more powerful pound for pound than Luke is, but because Luke actually knows how best to USE the power that he has, he can still beat them at least one-on-one if he has to. I do still question if Luke is referring to Kylo. If they're possibly setting up that Rey is, like, a clone of someone like Palpatine or descendant of someone important in the general Force hierarchy (hence why she has a destiny Snoke is interested in seeing her fulfill), the line makes sense.
But it also makes sense to refer to Kylo, because he is still quite strong in the Force by literally any standard that has been set (Again, he stopped a blaster bolt in mid-air, and can probe people's minds), Luke thought he could train him properly and make sure he wouldn't be seduced by the Dark Side, and look how THAT turned out.
ironphan24 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:30:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love your bit on Kylo. That would be so sick to see him fight against his master. It would get rid of the red lightsaber bad guy for good guys to fight tho.
StingKing456 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:52:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I totally see them going the route of some of the old EU canon and making Grey Jedi a thing. Which is fucking awesome.
FreebaseMcGee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:39:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You donโt say...
Kopfballer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:25:28 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe the Quintessence is that so much power as Rey and Kylo have can't be controlled by one side... A Light Force user will eventually let his dark side break out, causing massive destruction. A Dark Force user will have a constant stuggle with his actions that are haunting him.
So it is better to have some middle ground were you can release your Dark Side without causing havoc for the whole Galaxy and still doing good things.
schulz100 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:18:26 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is, though, still that question of "Can you touch the Dark Side and walk away without hurting anyone who doesn't actually deserve the storm of pain and terror that follows?" Luke may have proved it to be possible in Return, but it's also arguable that he's an outlier in that regard, that most who tap the Dark Side get pulled in and end up causing havoc before they're killed or pulled back out by other people.
I do think that for a lot of Dark Siders, there is that internal conflict with all the awful things they end up doing; Vader's conflict that he just kept denying was half of Luke's point in Return, and Kylo trying to get over his is basically his whole character arc so far. It's only the truly evil like Palpatine and possibly Snoke who don't suffer from this.
Legends actually took this in a super-cool, super-f'd-up direction with Legacy of the Force series and Jacen Solo, by proposing a theory of Dark Side Living where personal and impersonal sacrifice would reinforce one's power and one's own self-righteousness. The more totally uncompromising and authoritarian Jacen got (As in, he nearly blew up the Millenium Falcon because he thought he parents tried to assassinate someone, and he was just hitting his stride at that point), the more powerful and sure of his cause he got.
To get back on topic, I'm not denying that trying to find a middle ground would be a fantastic thing for Force Users in-universe, I'm saying I think Luke can and will doubt the wisdom of that plan, and it'll remain to be seen what Kylo and Rey prove about his views therein.
exstreams1 ยท 714 points ยท Posted at 02:01:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
well if anything could ever make a 3-2 NFL game exciting that was it
sorting by best compared to sorting by top is weird
StillNOTaCanadian ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 02:31:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bet the viewers skyrocketed right before halftime, and then plummeted right after.
jmonumber3 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 02:40:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a good game now
TonySoprano420 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:14:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not unless the vikings score a defensive Td here it won't be.
jmonumber3 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 03:18:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In what world is a rookie qb debut, a safety, 2 trick plays and a tie game in the 4th that's been going back and forth all half not interesting?
scrotilicus132 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:34:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The part where the first 30 minutes was nothing more than the kickers punting the ball to the other team
TonySoprano420 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:55:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The first 30 minutes were fucking fantastic. Then Kyle Rudolph started scoring fantasy points and it all went to shit.
generalchangschicken ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:22:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's because there are much better baseball games going on right now.
tylerlawhon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.
Lob_Shot ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:57:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
idk that trick play 2 pt conversion was pretty sweet
then everything after it sucked because lol bears
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:57:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're talking about W-L records, right? Or did this come on during a game with a safety and a field goal?
AVann6 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:47:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The second, my friend
the_billyjack ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 06:26:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Strangely enough, yes, it was a field goal and a safety as the only points scored at the half.
metanoia29 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:27:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Packers and Lions are going to dominate these two other "football teams" this year.
jedberg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:05:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When I tuned in just before the half, I thought the 3 and 2 were the timeouts remaining, and I couldnโt figure out why they just kept showing that instead of the score.
extraneouspanthers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:08:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It got pretty good
myanrueller ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:18:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait? The NFL got to schedule a football game around a Star Wars trailer? How lucky for them!
Lord_Ewok ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:54:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just had the tv loud and went on my computer. When i heard halftime watched it when it ended tv went off back to my computer.
wormywils ยท 286 points ยท Posted at 02:05:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
LUKE SPEAKS!!!
SerPeteFloode ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 02:28:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's pretty pissed.
NihiloZero ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:41:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And fearful! Strange that, don't you think?
SinusVenarum ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:26:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He spoke in the last trailer too...
JrSan1011 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:29:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You shall refer to him as your Firelord Ozai
wormywils ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:10:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or Joker?
JrSan1011 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:28:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes!
deekaydubya ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:47:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude what is up with that shot of him in the rain
wormywils ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:12:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Confrontation with Ben?
TCV2 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:27:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Spoilers man, c'mon!
bjkman ยท 536 points ยท Posted at 02:00:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
DeadDay ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 02:21:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Come again?
bjkman ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 02:24:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Max-Max-Maxxx ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:24:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH
Bexirt ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 06:42:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
IT'S TREASON THEN
AUTISTIC SCREECHING AND SPINNING
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
bjkman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup
jc265 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:18:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you okay, buddy?
bjkman ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:19:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thumbs Up
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:10:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Chewie?
bjkman ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:14:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah lets go with that.
rhythmjones ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:35:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty much...
ragtimesongs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:18:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://youtu.be/6EfhAFA2yFE
Mark-a-roo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:27:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey it's the screaming sun from that planet we didn't stay on.
muscledhunter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:01:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Never has someone so eloquently stated my thoughts
[deleted] ยท 355 points ยท Posted at 02:01:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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HDigity ยท 370 points ยท Posted at 02:18:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The things that seem like huge spoilers are almost definitely
LIES, DECEPTIONS!
ThaBenMan ยท 97 points ยท Posted at 02:36:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bor Gullet?
Fedatu ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 05:14:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Porg Gullet will know the truth.
Cuchullion ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:12:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder if Bor Gullet and Vader got together they could discuss various breathing machines or how the robotic limbs ache when it rains or how much of a bitch sand is to get out of their air filters.
*edit: I got my Gullets and Gerreras wrong. I'll leave it.
Relevant_-_-Username ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 03:17:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, Bor Gullet was the mutant hentai psychic mass of flesh. You are thinking of
space ISISJedda rebel leader Saw Gerrera.a_fish_out_of_water ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 02:44:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
BOR GULLET
shashinka ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:35:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
DECEPTICONS
shinra528 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:09:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An illusion! What are you hiding!?
HDigity ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 04:29:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
only one way to know for sure...
BOR GULLET
GoodTeletubby ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:04:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or are they? Are they deceptions? Or do they want you to think they're deceptions?
HDigity ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:29:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
BOR GULLET
acabado ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:10:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
DISGRACE
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:53:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
BOAGULLET
YodaInTheAttic ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:06:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same here buddy, same here.
Bexirt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:45:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ARE YOU THREATENING ME MASTER JEDI????
tboneynot ยท 55 points ยท Posted at 02:47:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anybody notice that Luke's robot hand has a hole in the top of it from when it was shot on Jabba's barge? Nice continuity there.
Chuckle_Pants ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 03:19:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's awesome. Nice catch!
schematicboy ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:36:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's been what, 40 years? And he hasn't had it repaired?
CaptainJAmazing ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:30:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, he's let the skin layer completely wear off, so...
TupacLovesElvis ยท 101 points ยท Posted at 02:21:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
โLet the past die. Kill it, if you have to.โ
Cut to Leia/Carrie Fisher
๐ค
GimmeDjibouti ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 02:27:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo in his Tie fighter is making his grandpa proud. He tried spinning and it was a good trick!
SmokeyTheBear420 ยท 1445 points ยท Posted at 02:04:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo's cyborg scar is fucking awesome
edit: replies to this comment in a nutshell
Thanks for the gold!
[deleted] ยท 270 points ยท Posted at 02:34:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought it was just a space bandaid
KravenMoerhed ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 04:29:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably some fancy bacta strip or something.
craygayyaynay ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 04:06:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thought it was cute tbh
Darth_Ra ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:46:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't hear the news about Nelly this week, huh?
GoOoOoOoOoOOO RAIDERS!!!!
NefariousNeezy ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:10:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looked like a carbon fiber kinesio tape
tinyturtletricycle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:52:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, kinda silly. Hopefully it's temporary.
PotheadLaureate ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:45:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This.
BlackstarDweller ยท 234 points ยท Posted at 02:09:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Odd that in the last scene it didn't look cybernetic though.
SullivantheBoss ยท 171 points ยท Posted at 02:16:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it'll only be cybernetic for the first bit of the movie
BlackstarDweller ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 02:33:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's definitely possible, but if so that movie is gonna start with a bang if that space battle is in the first half.
SullivantheBoss ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 02:34:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea I'm pretty sure that battle is during the evacuation of D'Qar
[deleted] ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 02:53:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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blueindsm ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:49:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
THE FIRST TRANSPORT IS AWAY....
Ralph-Hinkley ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:49:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TBF, it happened enough times to get the Hoth rebels free.
reallifelucas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:27:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aww dammit, I was hoping it wouldn't be a remake of Ep. V, and that's not making me feel any better.
SullivantheBoss ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:51:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you still think it'll be a remake I don't know what to tell you. Of course they are gonna evacuate D'Qar. The First Order knows where the planet is so the obvious next step is to evacuate the planet. It looks like the FO will meet them in space though instead of on the ground like ESB.
TheArgonianTargaryen ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 04:23:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure its just a fancy dancy dark side bandage
TheArgonianTargaryen ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 04:22:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uh i think its just a bandage. Some sort of this to hold the skin together and help the scar heal. Its not like you need a cybernetic cheek.....
SullivantheBoss ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:29:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uh ok it's a bandage then. I was only saying it wasn't going to be on the whole movie.
luckjes112 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 13:20:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not yet.
SullivantheBoss ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:20:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you threatening me Master Jedi?
luckjes112 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:54:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I assure you, Chancellor O'Palpatine, I'm not threatening your Master Jedi.
Dacelonid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:57:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thats what I thought too. It also means that those scenes happen at the start of the movie, and that the start of the movie isn't long after the battle on StarKiller Base
lodermoder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:26:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So carbon fibre makes things cybernetic?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:49:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's black so it's tactical
rphillip ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 02:38:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bet it's healing over the course of the movie.
zanduby ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 02:39:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just a kick ass carbon fiber band aid
c0rtexj4ckal ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:14:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's desperate to embrace any mechanical component he "needs" because Vader.
neodelrio ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:42:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cybernetic bandaid
TofuMignon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:53:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was probably a cyber ban-aid.
JanMichaelVincent16 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:38:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe the movie takes place over a long period of time?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:40:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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BlackstarDweller ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:57:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But he didn't get the scar until he fought Rey.
fperrine ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:30:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It looks like some future-neosporin to me.
MoreNMoreLikelyTrans ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:02:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
for his boo boo
Slightlylyons1 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 02:50:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's a high tech wound dressing, as it heals he doesn't need it.
[deleted] ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 02:56:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What are you talking about? All of the replies are just people joking with you.
SmokeyTheBear420 ยท -17 points ยท Posted at 03:00:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And I'm just joking as well lol chill
[deleted] ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 03:18:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean it's funny when it's based in reality, but nobody was saying anything remotely related to that meme. There were no hipster nerds trying to correct you with their "superior" nerd opinion.
It's like you wanted to force the joke so much that you didn't care whether the situation made sense.
AidanDawson ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 03:23:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, Iโm not sure what OP was thinking. Like I get he wasnโt being serious, but why even make the joke then? The context didnโt fit in the slightest.
cool_hand_luke ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 05:08:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:23:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Never change, reddit. The entertainment you bring me is unparalleled.
MrVanderbilt ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:32:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought it was bacta tape.
feenicks ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:45:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
a bactaid
c_the_potts ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:51:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The porg scream was even better
ClickEdge ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:58:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wanna see some SWTOR-esque cybernetics ๐
JayGooner14 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:59:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He definitely has Skywalker blood running through his veins.
Ishpersonguy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:45:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The reason he's pissed in that scene is because Snoke didn't get him a Darth Vader Band-Aid.
Papatheosis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:59:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You have one comment, and it doesnโt say that.
Goose_Dies ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:48:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They looked like carbon fiber fill ins.
jamesbn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:47:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gold because you made me laugh. That image is gold
edit - downvoted by the ACKCHYUALLY crew I guess.
lemastersg ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:18:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Idk why you're getting down voted, you're being a decent human being.
_Jangmo-o_Fett_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:35:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good job.
odnalyd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:11:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought it was rock tape that people use after injuries.
Stalemate9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:08:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It gives me the creeps.
HerderOfNerfs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:55:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That was some Grade A carbon fiber band-aid action.
Tatersaladftw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:29:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think this is one of the things I really DONT like. Looks SUPER lame.
Sithslayer78 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:42:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was wondering why they wrapped his face in carbon fiber
Bolichnikov ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:07:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope itโs the beginning of him turning to the Ziggy Stardust side of the Force.
ShadowPhoenix22 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:37:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm more intrigued by his seeming tattoo.
SpainCXIV ยท 528 points ยท Posted at 01:59:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm so hard right now
PBandJellyJesus ยท 401 points ยท Posted at 02:08:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I see your Schwartz is as big as mine
BuckFurke ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 02:26:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We ain't found shit!
artyomivich ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:03:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is there a spaceballs sub? If not there really should be
abraksis747 ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 03:11:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
SPACEBALLS THE SUBREDDIT!
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:17:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love that the same dude plays Tuvok.
xarvous ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:43:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Really? TIL
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:23:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. Tim Russ. I didn't realize it until recently. I'd been binging Voyager on Netflix, then watched Spaceballs and was all "wait a minute I know that guy!".
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:46:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks, guy who plays Tuvok!
Julian_Caesar ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:36:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Now let's see how well you...handle it!
MrLomax ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:48:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Funny, she doesn't look Druish.
Less-Talk-More-Bach ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:29:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Too bad this isn't the wide world of sports!
KillTheBat77 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:42:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When is that movie coming out?
neosithlord ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:58:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've already reached joygasm
pattherat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:01:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
C'mon man! I can't believe you fell for the oldest trick in the book!
abraksis747 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:12:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
KNOCK NEXT TIME!!
astrakhan42 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:34:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Now, let's see how well you... use it.
FisterRobotOh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:11:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm goosebumping hard right now.
Frankfusion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:15:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just came in your pants.
SmallManBigMouth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not you aren't. I checked ๐
JOEYisROCKhard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me too.
PJSeeds ยท 118 points ยท Posted at 02:10:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"THIS IS NOT GOING TO GO THE WAY YOU THINK!"
Damn Luke, a little on the nose don't you think?
withoutapaddle ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 03:16:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reminds me of "This will begin to make things right."
prince_of_cannock ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:13:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The only real spoiler.
c0rtexj4ckal ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:17:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Combined with his like, super fucking intense eye contact: I was like "Jesus and I thought he had the stares down in ROTJ"
NihiloZero ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:43:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think Luke is going to be the bad guy... but I think I'm in the minority.
[deleted] ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 21:31:58 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"It didn't scare me enough thenโit does now"
Oh Luke, fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.
10TailBeast ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:15:44 on October 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke forgetting some basic Jedi teachings in his old age. xD
INTHEMIDSTOFLIONS ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:30:01 on October 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or also having consistent characteristics. Luke in Empire was fearful and lead to rash decisions.
Mongooo ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 16:23:14 on October 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That line felt really cheesy. It also almost sounded like he said "it doesn't now" which is a lot cooler.
DoucheyHowserMD ยท 1389 points ยท Posted at 01:59:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HOLY SHIT I HAVE NEVER BEEN SO EXCITED FOR A MOVIE.
Ps thank you mods for making this night a little easier on everyone
Edit: Upon second viewing I will say this. DO NOT WATCH IT IF YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT SPOILERS. IT SEEMS LIKE IT REVEALS A LOT. OR MAYBE DO WATCH IT. Hopefully misdirection. I DON'T KNOW IM JUST EXCITED
hiredantispammer ยท 124 points ยท Posted at 02:03:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That last part!!!
CaterpillarsNight ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 02:11:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The last part is just cut to confuse you. Look at the background. Different setting entirely.
Karpuan ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 02:09:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It didnโt look like they were from the same scene, it was much darker in Reyโs shot, especially considering fire was raining from the sky in Benโs.
ZappySnap ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:23:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah...lighting is fire on both of them. I hope you're right. I don't know if I could deal with an evil Rey (of course, it could be great.) Would then Luke have to break out to be the elderly bastion of Hope in IX? So pumped.
gotFrosty ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:13:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also Ben didn't have the scar on his face in that scene...
ZappySnap ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 02:23:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes he did.
Journeyman351 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:32:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The lighting is a dead giveaway dude, you can see the glow on her face in Kylo's direction. The fire is raining from the sky behind Kylo as well, which makes sense.
jorbanead ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:25:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
re-watch it. Both scenes are by some sort of fire, but in Rey's shot it has more of a campfire calm quality. Kylo's shot looks like burning buildings or stuff exploded in the background. I believe they are different shots.
SportzTawk ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:12:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm 100% certain they are in different locations. Rey is speaking to Luke by a fire by my guess.
theredditoro ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:06:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fantastic.
sewa97 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:25:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That whole thing!!!
bobthecow81 ยท 65 points ยท Posted at 02:07:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have to imagine a lot of that is purposeful misdirection...Rian does that with a lot of his movie trailers...
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:45:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, there's a lot of misdirection going on. The lighting gives it away.
DoucheyHowserMD ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:09:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
REEALLLY hope so
anomaly_xb-6783746 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:58:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like... yes and no. Take the last scene between Rey and Kylo. Yes, I imagine Rey and Kylo might be cut from two different scenes and stuck together to make us think that convo actually happens. That kind of misdirection is normal and expected. However, that really makes me think that the sentiment of that scene, that Rey needs guidance and Kylo gives it to her, is truthful. I don't think they would waste trailer time and lie to fans about a whole segment of character development like that. Like, they could've had Rey say "I need someone to show me my place in all this" and then cut to Snoke grinning devilishly, and that would be hard to believe. What we got is not hard to believe.
TheDurken ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 04:08:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think that is EXACTLY what I would do if I were making a trailer for one of the most anticipated movies of all time.
tyme ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:40:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But theyโre not lying, and you shouldnโt expect character development from a trailer.
venicerocco ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:54:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is it in his contract to cut the trailers? Usually it's the marketing branch of the production / distribution company that makes the trailers, possibly with input from the director.
branj70 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:28:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like in Rogue One's case, it was the marketing company that chose to put a lot of those cut scenes in the trailers. I think it's prety much out of Rian's hands.
sabasNL ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:35:26 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which trailers? The guy only directed a handful, and has never even done a single major film before. I still don't understand why they chose him.
bobthecow81 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:15:58 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looper made close to $200mil, I think that counts as a major film...and Brothers Bloom is a pretty fantastic movie as well. Not to mention the Breaking Bad episodes he's done (some of the best of the series).
I'd much rather have Rian Johnson directing than someone like Colin Trevorrow from Jurassic World (who has now been fired from Ep. IX)
sabasNL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:12 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well I don't think the quality of the films is really relevant. TLJ will be the single biggest film of the year, and this director doesn't even have a single major film in his repertoire. Looper is a relatively minor one.
I am a fan of his Breaking Bad episodes, though I'd say only Fly was really good from a directing/editing point of view. Fifty-One and Ozymandias were really good, but that's mostly because of the writing.
And to be honest, Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul episodes are often so perfectly directed that only Fly is noteworthy in that regard, the other two being completely average for BB (which is still really good). The sheer genius of some of the other directors, especially in BCS, is more prevalent.
I'm not saying I don't think he's a good director, I'm saying I don't know whether I can trust him with Star Wars, of all franchises he could've made his first step into major films in. His repertoire is simply meagre compared to JJ Abrams for example. That makes him look very inexperienced, and thus, a risky choice.
Ihave4friends ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 02:04:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can sleep happy. And confused.
The_Spartan_CV ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:21:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you kidding?! I don't think I can sleep at all tonight!
XSC ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 02:02:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shiiiiiiiiiiiiittttttttt
Giddyfuzzball ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 02:06:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snoke is Palpatine!
ReferencesTheOffice ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:19:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He doesn't look anything like Frank.
orbjuice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:29:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dovetails nicely with Ian McDiarmid saying he didn't want to see Palpatine recast...
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:07:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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TerminalBoneitis ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 02:10:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lmao in no way is he palpatine and in no way does he look like him
madworld2713 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:13:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah he doesnt look like him at all. Snoke is Snoke.
TerminalBoneitis ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:16:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It would be unbelievable bullshit if he were Sheev. Plus that was never on the table
Edit: The hell is wrong with all of you. These theories are laughable
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:34:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Khifler ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:36:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's probably Darth Plagieus, just to fuck with us and make everyone shit their pants knowing they've been memeing about him unknowingly for years
Damisu ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:43:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snoke being Plagueis theories pre-date prequel memes.
JohnnySixguns ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:35:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snoke totally is Plagueis. There is nothing more chilling that would explain it.
sabasNL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:38:44 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've heard of the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Snoke before RotJ.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:38:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You might say its... inconSHEEVable.
TerminalBoneitis ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:41:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well that was just delightful
HardcoreDesk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:48:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We only saw him get thrown down a giant shaft, right? Could be surviveable.
willmcavoy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holllllly shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit tho
fightingirishjd8 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:08:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But at the same time Rian Johnson isnโt an idiot and probably didnโt ruin anything
DoucheyHowserMD ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:17:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're probably right but my emotions
DannyBoy7783 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:21:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It says and shows a lot without revealing anything meaningful. I have no idea what the story of this movie will be but I am hyped to find out. 10/10 good trailer stamp of approval.
Flacko115 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:12:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not revealing anything. Rian Johnson and Kathleen Kennedy are too smart to let that happen. Remember TFA trailer? Misdirections everywhere
theredditoro ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:04:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looks pretty great.
rex_dart_eskimo_spy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:08:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Has this night been difficult? Did something happen?
DoucheyHowserMD ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:12:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
for mods I'm sure its been a shitshow. I refreshed a couple times before this post and there were 10+ shitposts about the trailer
BlueSmoke95 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:14:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We try to keep it down. Refresh again and it'll probably be cleaned up.
DoucheyHowserMD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:17:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No I'm saying you guys did a great job keeping up!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:10:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't reveal a lot. I guess it confuses more than clarify some things.
bionix90 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:14:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure a lot of it is misdirection though. For example Snoke is probably speaking to Rey at the start, not Ben. Although, yeah, that's spoilery too.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:28:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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DoucheyHowserMD ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:30:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Disagree kindly. TFA got spoiled for me and I just sat there the entire time waiting for my favorite character to die
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:31:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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DoucheyHowserMD ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:34:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
oh
branj70 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:18:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am absolutely one of those people, I can't get enough of spoilers. Knowing something ahead of time allows me to see the whole picture, along with picking up the details that the storyteller/writer is trying to show us, without needing to see something multiple times. In my opinion, knowing something before I see it, generates even more HYPE. I knew the main plot points of TFA (thank you MSW) & both times I watched it in the theater, I was on the edge of my seat with my heart racing. It's the exact same with episodes of Game of Thrones. I've gotten into long debates with my fiance about it, I'm totally for knowing all I can beforehand, while she get's pissed off when she gets spoiled.
murderofcrows90 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:44:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder if these younguns know spoiler wasn't even a word before 1995 or so.
SkillfulShade ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously! I've been looking forward to this all weekend!
jiarb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not even 7?
SirTophamHattV ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Too late.
Mr_Mimiseku ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:13:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It looks absolutely stunning. I love the colors on the desert planet. The red dirt looks great.
sageleader ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:13:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think it does. I think it's a lot of misdirection
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:15:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let's be honest, after Rouge One I expect half of that to be clever editing to misdirect and the other half to be cut scenes.
BagOnuts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:15:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ugh, Iโm so conflicted on whether to watch this or not....
rocketpastsix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:44:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its hard to decide what is a spoiler and what isnt. Nothing is super clear other then an epic space fight, combat between Finn and Phasma and Walker assault. Everything else looked like it was cut from sep parts of the movie.
rhythmjones ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:36:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't care, I'm just so hyped.
Myotherdumbname ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:06:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
LOUD WORDS!!!
danielbryanjack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:53:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the way I see it, if you plan on going to the movies between now and december it will probably be shown anyway
and its just two minutes of footage in a two and a half hour movie
EricM12 ยท 75 points ยท Posted at 04:02:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snoke is Sebulba after a botched medical procedure to make him bigger so he could pilot more powerful pod racers
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:45:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Poodoo!
TheDuckHunt3r ยท 242 points ยท Posted at 01:59:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Damn December won't come soon enough.
Edit: holy fuck whatthe fuck!????????
BuckeyeEmpire ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 02:06:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yah man, this trailer is excellent. Potential spoilers but potentially not as well like they did with Finn in TFA. I'm fucking hyped.
sabasco_tauce ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:06:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
things went from zero to one hundred real quick
Redlodger0426 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:36:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What happened?
sabasco_tauce ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:38:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The hype happened
Bexirt ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:47:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A SURPRISE TO BE SURE BUT A WELCOME ONE !
Dandw12786 ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 02:23:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Regarding the Kylo/Rey scene at the end (spoilers if you haven't seen the trailer):
I think her saying "I need someone to show me my place in all of this" is merely a continuation of what she was saying at the beginning of the trailer. So the line would be: "Something inside of me has always been there. But now it's awake. I need help. I need someone to show me my place in all of this."
Whether or not she's actually saying that to Kylo, or saying that to Luke in a cave on the island (and it's just cut to be misleading)? Your guess is as good as mine.
Edit: My wild hail mary guess here is that this is her talking to Luke in a cave or whatever on the island after he storms off ("I've only seen this raw strength once before... etc."), and the end of the conversation would be from the first trailer where Luke says "I only know one truth. It's time for the Jedi to end." This is based off of no evidence, just my gut. (Edit again: She's wearing the same clothes when she breaks the ground and scares Luke that she's wearing when she's talking at the end, so I'm not debunking myself yet. Though I think she may be wearing those clothes when she's being tortured, too, so I dunno. But the light on her when she's talking is pretty static, and when it cuts to Kylo the light on his face jumps around a bit.)
Teyanis ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:35:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think she's talking to Kylo there. The lighting on her is a more yellow, and Kylo's is more red/there's little bits of fire floating around.
She's gotta be at a campfire talking to Luke, trying to convince him to help her.
Dandw12786 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:52:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're right about the lighting. It jumps around on Kylo's face, and it's static on her face. Definitely not talking to him, at least not in that scene.
bionix90 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:42:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I also think that at the beginning, what Snoke says about raw power, he's actually saying it to Rey.
Dandw12786 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:45:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It could definitely be either, so I don't have an opinion on that one. Both make perfect sense.
Jorhiru ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:16:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it could be either and be fitting, but thereโs something about the way he says he had to look further to see something *truly special * - like everyone knows about the Skywalker bloodline, but Snoke alone considers himself above and beyond all that, and saw even greater potential. Of course, Rey could be a Skywalker too...
DepressedBigOafLoser ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:19:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed. It doesn't appear to be the same scene. There's falling debris and fire from an explosion behind Kylo, and Rey appears to be in a darker static lit area (no trailing debris behind her). Like she's in a cave and Kylo is at the end of some battle. Deliberate misdirection like the first trailer with Finn.
madogvelkor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:37:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man, she must be the smelliest character of all....
Dandw12786 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:21:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Considering how long she spent in the desert, all of these temperate climates she's hanging out in lately must significantly reduce her sweat production, keeping her body odor in check. Even in that torture scene she's probably thinking "this hurts like a motherfucker, but at least it's a beautiful 68 degrees in here!"
madogvelkor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:22:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I moved from hot climates (Arizona and Florida) to New England. Once it got in the 60s, I was like where's my coat? Everyone else was enjoying the warm day in short sleeves.
Dandw12786 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:11:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was in cross country in high school in the midwest. During the season, a kid moved from Vegas and joined the team. The first cold day we ran it was in the 40s or so, maybe high 30s. We all had our compression shit on, long sleeves, tights, etc. This kid walks out of the locker room in shorts and a tank top. We're all like "WTF dude?". He says "I lived in the desert until two weeks ago. This is beautiful."
So I suppose there are two kinds of people, those that get acclimated to the heat and freeze when they're slightly colder, and those that live in the heat and hate every second and can't wait to get out. It's funny, though. I went to California in February a couple years ago. My wife and I were walking around in shorts and the shirts while everyone else was dressed in what we'd wear if it was 40 out.
madogvelkor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:50:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, coming from Florida everyone would break out their jackets and coats when it got in the 60s. In New England people would put away their jackets and coats. People here complain when the weather gets around 80 degrees, which is nice and mild in Florida. Arizona was a bit different since there could be 50 degree swings in temperature between night and day. 105 during the day and dropping to 55 at night.
bckesso ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:10:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree. This seems to be the most likely scenario.
Kleemin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:30:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"spoilers if you havn't seen the trailer" Dude if you are reading these posts and havn't watched the trailer at least 20 times you can jump in a Sarlacc.
Dandw12786 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:04:27 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reddit is fickle. There are people in this thread asking if the trailer has spoilers. I didn't think my comment was worth having spoiler tags, but figured I'd mention it lest I get doxxed by some fucking 12 year old that was too dumb to not read every comment about a trailer in a trailer discussion thread.
It's not reasonable that I need to mention it, but it is reasonable to mention it, know what I mean? You don't fuck with internet nerds and their spoilers.
It'll be the same when the movie comes out and the movie discussion thread is up. There will be idiots in there asking if the movie is good that get pissed that a spoiler is posted.
Unnecessarily long and silly rant in response to your comment, but regardless, I feel I put the warning there for good reason.
AtomicPunk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:48:08 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Arenโt they always wearing the same clothes? Pretty sure Kylo Ren owns either an entire closet full of identical black cloaks and wide banded belts or exactly one of each item (which he hand washes and dries using the heat from his lightsaber).
ADanishMan2 ยท 302 points ยท Posted at 02:01:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AHH WHAT THE FUCK
PHASMA IS BACK
REY MAKING NICE WITH KYLO
PTSD LUKE
MOTHER FUCKING SNOKE
I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO BELIEVE
CedarCabPark ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 03:53:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't get the Phasma hate the first time around. They were setting up the character for later. Storytelling takes time.
Gestrid ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:24:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
SO MANY RED HERRINGS!!!
snunez92 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:35:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
O
Edgy_McEdgyFace ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:18:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
b
Terra_Cotta_Pie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:27:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i
jojo2018 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:46:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
W
BbvII ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:03:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A
snunez92 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:35:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Y
Edgy_McEdgyFace ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:18:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
a
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ill tell you what not to believe: everything in that trailer
johnnylavalampus ยท 267 points ยท Posted at 02:18:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone seems to be saying there are massive spoilers. I genuinely have no idea what you're all talking about.
-Finn is alive? Duh
-Phasma is alive? Duh
-Rey and Kylo have an interaction where they consider working together? Maybe not Duh but their fates are clearly intertwined, and its similar to Vader asking Luke to join him. I feel like there's always an "offer" of power-sharing between the lightside and darkside factions.
-Kylo tries to kill Leia? Duh.
I'm not trying to be snarky I just don't get it. Everything seems either ambiguous or obvious to the point where it shouldn't be considered a spoiler.
MeatTornado25 ยท 71 points ยท Posted at 04:48:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Obi-Wan and Dooku? Check
Anakin and Palpatine? Check
Luke and Vader? Check
Luke and Palpatine? Check
Just another day in the star wars
Scubetrolis ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 02:54:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Was there a thought that Finn was dead? I think Iโll watch TFA again tonight. I donโt remember ever thinking Finn was dead though.
bckesso ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 03:06:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My now five year old brother was worried he was! Otherwise, no.
johnnylavalampus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:15:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean I'm just responding to something that someone said. I think 99% of people knew he was alive. I guess to be fair maybe that person meant "he's alive and well aka out of his comma". Enjoy TFA!
MuayThaiJudo ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 02:46:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
THANK YOU!!!
megatom0 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:10:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The biggest spoiler IMO is seeing Snoke and Rey together. That is a genuinely big reveal and probably something that happens in the 3rd act. As someone who has been up to date on spoilers, theories, and leaks, this was something that actually hadn't been mentioned in any confirmed leaks.
withateethuh ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:31:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The only real spoiler is Rey and Snoke in his throne room. But we have no context as to how she got there, and what he's doing.
tinyturtletricycle ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:54:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Make no mistake, he knows exactly what he's doing
danielbryanjack ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:52:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
its definitely all ambiguous, but if that last scene is to be taken completely at face value, then the notion of kylo and rey actually working together, I think, is spoilery.
But, I dont think they would spoil a major plot point in a trailer like that anyway
MrShankapotamas ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:49:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No one dies in a trash compactor
captainhaddock ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:26:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rey encountering Snoke is kind of a spoiler.
sketchbookassassin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:08:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
for real. i was expecting to find out rey was related to luke or snoke or someone haha
PM_me_British_nudes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:09:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can't argue with that. The fact people avoiding spoilers come onto the new trailer thread, reads the comments and then say "Ermagerd spoilers" frankly baffles me.
WinterholdMage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:53:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's because there was an article that gained traction that erroneously stated that Rian Johnson told fans to "Absolutely avoid it". Johnson outright denied that he told fans to avoid it. Source.
What he said was in response to a question asking him:
To which he replied:
So I think people believed it to be spoiler heavy when it was really Rian telling people to avoid it if they wanted to go into it free of any foreknowledge.
eoinster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:21:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My only gripe is showing Rey and Snoke together, that I wouldn't have expected and could've been a neat surprise.
mider-span ยท 364 points ยท Posted at 02:01:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What is hype may never die.
Am I doing this right?
fnndnn ยท 68 points ยท Posted at 02:11:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
CLEGANEBOWL!!!
rex_dart_eskimo_spy ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:38:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
SNOKEBOWL!!
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:39:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TR-8RBOWL!
maxout2142 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:40:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AIRHORNS
JOEYisROCKhard ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 02:13:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cleganebowl fucking confirmed!
LoneWolf00711 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:10:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But rise again harder and stronger!
DeadDay ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:20:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Faster?
celtic_thistle ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:37:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Better?
Ubergoober166 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:10:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
PORGS! ON A MILLENNIUM FALCON!
fistfulofbeef ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:12:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. Yes you are.
aGirlHasNo_username ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:10:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
CHOO CHOO! ALL ABOARD THE HYPE TRAIN BOYS!!!!!
yrddog ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:54:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
GET HYPE
ekoth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:56:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
CONFIRMED
billothy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:20:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Poe gets captured and loses his... mini lightsaber
randerdamer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:08:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What is hype mat never hype, waut what
pacmain1 ยท 130 points ยท Posted at 02:00:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it was worth breaking my F5 key for this.
thedaddysaur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:10:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just found out what F5 does. I broke my ctrl+R.
beastmodem ยท 211 points ยท Posted at 02:07:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Was not expecting to see Jar Jar Binks!
soccerperson ยท 62 points ยท Posted at 02:38:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Him in the cockpit with Chewbacca was a great shot
thedaddysaur ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 03:21:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And that SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER transformation scene of him turning into Snoke was LIT! ๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ฅ
Obi1DidntHave2Die ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:49:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Meesa neither
PORTMANTEAU-BOT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:49:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Meeither.
Bleep-bloop, I'm a bot. This portmanteau was created from the phrase 'Meesa neither'.
mrglubglub ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:49:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That little CGI thing seems to be in the same league as Jar Jar thus far.
GirthBrooks12inches ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:21:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jar Jar Snoke confirmed
Bexirt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:48:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
PLOT TWIST
jar jar is the porg
That_One_Cool_Guy ยท 168 points ยท Posted at 02:01:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Carrie in the trailer..Got a little emotional
myanrueller ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 04:21:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Calling it, before the fanfare at the end starts, there will be this:
wishforagiraffe ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 02:08:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same. Especially since she looked so emotional.
Forever_Man ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:22:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't think of a better way to portray the character's inevitable death
BlackCaaaaat ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:29:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't wait to see her in the movie. But it will be bittersweet.
hiredantispammer ยท 869 points ยท Posted at 01:59:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You won the karma race! Hello r/all.
๐๏ธ Nickbloom ยท 583 points ยท Posted at 02:02:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i have done it. my life is complete.
Ihave4friends ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 02:05:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your karma going up faster than my head is spinning
King_Dedede__ ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:14:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
UNLIMITED
KARMA!!!
BuckFurke ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:27:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Twice the Karma, but never the fall.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:38:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But what about the /r/starwars attack on /r/all?
BOBULANCE ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:41:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iโll try uploading, thatโs a good trick!
Velorium_Camper ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:45:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one.
Gestrid ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:21:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's a good trick!
Goose_Dies ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:13:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I so wanted the title to be -- Star Wars - The Last Jedi Trailed
๐๏ธ Nickbloom ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:30:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yea i missed that opportunity lol
Goose_Dies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:32:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Grats on the karma.
Gestrid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:20:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dang it, ya beat me! I waited for the YT link to go up and, and I was the first one to post it.
๐๏ธ Nickbloom ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:33:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
may this be a lesson: dont skip out on a ton of training and go straight for the cloudy bliss of YT. gonna get a link chopped off
Gestrid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:34:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Next time, I'll be sure to madly refresh Twitter instead.
Intergalactic96 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good job on that quick reaction
mlhockey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:09:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Congrats on the tens of thousands of karma points you're about to receive
EternalCookie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:09:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All aboard!
swankyjerboa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:15:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Force is strong with this one...
Chipman94 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:26:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to win the karma race :(
orbjuice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:31:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Now strike me down with all of your hatred and your journey towards the Dark Side will be complete!
jacktrades90 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:32:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Indeed you are powerful as the emperor has foreseen
ZEUS-MUSCLE ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:39:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The circle is complete
Lord_Ewok ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:53:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ya congrats man i had youtube open but i left my pc to watch it on tv.Forgot about the unlimited karma that comes with this haha.
homefree122 ยท 121 points ยท Posted at 02:01:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What do we do now?
zoolag ยท 172 points ยท Posted at 02:01:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Watch it again?
Fishyish ยท 131 points ยท Posted at 02:02:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll need every frame analyzed and on my desk by morning.
hiredantispammer ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 02:05:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure 200 people on YouTube will analyze it within the hour!
koleye ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:13:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You ask the impossible. I need more men!
saucytryhard ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:07:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
*within 10 minutes
a_fish_out_of_water ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:07:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
*within 12 parsecs
DeadDay ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:17:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
10!
Gestrid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:21:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
5!
cjn13 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:04:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want Spider-man
rbarton812 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:21:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can GameXplain do movie trailer analysis too?
janus10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll be working on the Penske file all day.
HerrTriggerGenji21 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:09:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But there's so much going on in all of them . . .
stromdriver ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:51:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
just wait for nerdist to poop something out shortly, then for collider jedi council to spend 1.5hrs reviewing it
mrsuns10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:54:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Freeze Frame
firesigntheater ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:58:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just got off the phone with the intern, heโs writing it up, should have a 500 page in size 8 TNR on your desk by morning, he will take his Vespa to the office
therealggamerguy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:31:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll take the staff job
ThaddeusJP ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The < and > keys, when paused will go frame by frame.
theTANbananas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The star wars channels that do break downs literally do this I bet.
cmath89 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:04:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And again.
foggy22 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Debate admitting/not admitting we tear up every time we hear the theme swell every time one of these trailers comes out?
_____D34DP00L_____ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What do I do now that I've watched it again
Dr-Haus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:16:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
False. Get nude.
Then watch it again.
a_fish_out_of_water ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 02:01:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Watch the trailer 50 more times
cox0904 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:03:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only 50 more?
a_fish_out_of_water ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:07:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, 50 more by midnight
cox0904 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:07:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Much better!
That_One_Cool_Guy ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 02:01:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Comment underneath it and have faith in trickle down Karmanomics
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:03:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Jimmy_Black ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:04:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I find your lack of faith disturbing.
That_One_Cool_Guy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:04:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only a sith deals in absolutes BlinkyBills
theredditoro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As always.
FisterRobotOh ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:02:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Put on a Kylo Ren racing stripe.
Thor_pool ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:01:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We wait
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:02:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jerk off
bubba18sar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We ... Uh.. weren't doing that already?
ragbagger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok. Now what?
Edit: anyone have a moist towelette I could borrow?
Loki364 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:01:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We Hype
BransonKP ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:01:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know what to do with my hands!
tigert07 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:02:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
IDK WHAT TO DO WITH MY HANDS
MrWackeo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:01:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just. Breathe.
ambassat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:02:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HI MOM!!! I HOPE I'M FINALLY MAKING YOU PROUD!
TepidPen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:02:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Buy presale tickets?
theinfin8 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:48:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ride the karma train obviously...
The_True_Zephos ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:23:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We return to surfing the net watching theory videos and reading about leaks. Yeah, we have no life.
PhishFoodPhil ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:01:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dance?
Sarclown ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We wait...
babyman21 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm never this early. I don't know what to do with my hands
sammyjamjars ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait for the movie, I guess.
cjn13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Step 1: Breathe
Giddyfuzzball ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do it.
theredditoro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's time for the Jedi to end.
CarterAC3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Analyze
EVERY
SINGLE
FRAME
el-toro-loco ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Watch all the other movies, including the Christmas Special
cmallard2011 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TRY SPINNING!
ShadSilvs2000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Spring the trap
WhyLisaWhy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:13:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://i.imgur.com/PJ41mCU.gif
Bill_puss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:17:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Get karma while we can
Phillyfreak5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:24:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Go back to a really shitty football game.
probablyuntrue ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:02:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
bathe in karma?
lilJamieEllsworth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:01:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want in on this action.
Obie1Jabroni ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Winner winner turkey dinner its the real thanksgiving
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just here to be at the top and say Iโm slightly disappointed they showed Snokeโs face for half a second.
The_Friskiest_Dingo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh hey!
l0wbacca ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Put me in the screencap "
XSC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luuuuuckkyyy
Johnwaynefringegame ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So... so this is what it's like? To be near the top?
kasuchans ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
dammit, someone sniped it :P hey /r/all!
Alteran_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yesss
pduffy52 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
BRING ME THE KARMA STRETCHER!!โ
DonKerubino ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:13:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I randomly bumped into this, wanna give me some karma or nah?
grabmyterryfoldflaps ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:57:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You won the "congrats on the Karma" comment race!
cox0904 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:01:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hijacking this comment to also say hello to r/all
R3d0c7ob3r ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:02:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hello there.
Cannibal_MoshpitV2 ยท 402 points ยท Posted at 02:00:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well fuck lets see what Rian Johnson was talking about, will edit reaction
Edit: holy fuck that's some potential spoilers, BUT, there is tons of room to speculate what will actually happen, WATCH AT YOUR OWN RISK
kdawgnmann ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 02:02:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let me know how spoilery it is
jwhitmire2012 ยท 116 points ยท Posted at 02:07:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Could be two major spoilers, but all evidence points to them being a misdirection
HDigity ยท 60 points ยท Posted at 02:17:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
lies! DECEPTIONS! EVERY DAY MORE LIES!
MudkipOnABike ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 02:48:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
BOR GULLET WILL KNOW THE TRUTH!
EuterpeZonker ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:13:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Two that could definitely be misdirection but a third one that would have to be some sort of force vision to be fake.
matata_hakuna ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:16:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wish I hadn't seen it. It would have been better going into the movie not knowing what little there was. There are spoilers. Even if there aren't you see very many obvious plot lines.
theredditoro ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:09:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably misdirects.
skilledwarman ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:25:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like it's a mix of misdirection and things you probably already assume will happen just logically. I can get slightly less vague without being to specific if anyone wants.
PlasticCocktailSword ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:00:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Medium spoilers- watch it once to get hype but don't do a frame by frame
rhythmjones ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:37:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Really there's no way to know if they're spoilers or misdirections until you watch the whole movie.
ASH503 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 02:04:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty spoilery. Could be a fake out, but it looks like the real deal
hellraiser24 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 02:07:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How does it look like it's the real deal. They shoved it down our throats. Way too obvious.
ASH503 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Regardless if the characters stay the same, the actions are still revealed.
AzrianHunter ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:15:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let's keep in mind, the trailers for TFA. Disney misled a FUCK TON with those. I'm betting Rian Johnson was talking about the most obvious one that's only technically a spoiler if you have no internet or clue what happened to a certain actor earlier in the year.
ASH503 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:17:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think that part is certainly obvious. There are at least 2 other spoilers/red herrings, and if anyone asks if this is a spoilery trailer, I gotta yes more than not
AzrianHunter ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:25:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Two things. 1. Red Herrings for sure. They even flat out tell us. Pay attention to what Luke says in the middle of the trailer. 2. Last will happen first. Look at his face. Something is off.
algebraic94 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:07:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Total fake out.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:17:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://twitter.com/rianjohnson/status/917582846558011393
withateethuh ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:16:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really love just how enthusiastic he is about this movie.
Cannibal_MoshpitV2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:19:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well then, maybe Disney got a bit upset with him over possibly discouraging people to watch it lol
DDRDiesel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:37:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Classic misdirection, methinks
insane_mclane ยท 57 points ยท Posted at 02:01:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really wish I did not watch that. However I'm glad that I did ๐
GirthBrooks12inches ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:19:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It'd be damn near impossible to avoid it, so enjoy
Leftovertaters ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:34:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If it means anything .. that scene between Rey/Kylo was most likely cut from two different scenes.
B-Va ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:35:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
wat
NihiloZero ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:46:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It pretty much confirmed everything I suspected was going to happen. Luke will be the primary villian and Snoke will be revealed as an irrelevant puppet.
Prophet92 ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 02:10:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Alright everybody, what odds do you give the following things happening:
Kylo and Rey flip sides.
Rey goes dark side regardless of what Kylo does.
Luke or Leiah dies.
We still don't learn who Rey's parents are.
Fire_And_Blood_7 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 03:00:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Predictions:
Rey and Kylo won't flip sides, Kylo's gone too far and is going to go further (most likely kill Leia)
Rey won't go to the dark side BUT will linger towards the dark side in a moment of confusion then be brought back after feeling how evil Snoke is (i think this could be a cliff hanger for the 3rd movie; Rey leaving for the dark side)
Leia 100% dies, because Carry Fisher is dead, a way to honor her memory or something. Luke is going to live it out until the end of the trilogy.
We 100% won't learn Rey's parentage but will be still toyed along about who left her on that planet the entire movie, left with the answer for the last movie.
My real question though is WHO IS SNOKE?! I am desperate to know about him and his history. I think he has a major connection to Sidious (I also hope this because he was my favorite character)
mistrj13 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:09:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is the Snoke = Plagueis theory still alive? I'm not saying it's my favorite thing they can do but it's always made the most sense to me. Watching the trailer it still fits pretty well.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:10:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If it's true, I'd like that to be revealed by him killing someone and bringing them back immediately to show off his power, preferably in front of Rey as to really tempt her to explore the force. Maybe even that scene of her screaming bent backwards is her own revival? What's more powerfully convincing than being struck down only to be brought back with the notion of "I can teach you this power"?
mistrj13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:44:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not a bad idea. Originally, I viewed this power as a lie that Palestine just used to tempt Anakin. When I was in 7th grade in the movie theater itโs exactly what I thought to myself and Iโve always felt the same way since, but it seems like people take it that he actually has that power. Obviously if Snoke ends up being him then I guess it would be true, and him demonstrating it would prove it.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:07:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think one thing about Palpetine is that he lied, yes, but also must have had some truths the Jedi tried to suppress. I guess a major point of the Jedi coming to an end is that Luke better understands some of the misguided ways of old, including things like emotional suppression.
Another thing I have considered is that line about Luke not fearing before but now fearing the great power of Rey. I believe he is in fact mentioning Vader in that frightful tone. It could make sense that Palpatine would want Ani/Vader to learn that ability eventually, as to continue his reign should he be bested in combat or killed by an assassin. We see the great dramatic irony in that Vader did not learn this power, and instead was the emperor's downfall.
The emperor may have also only knew of the power of Plagueis, having no actual contact with him, because he was not powerful enough himself to warrant any attention that of the most powerful Sith Lord. He was fortunate to discover Ani through the Jedi he planned to betray, and his old age shows just how old his plot seems to be. He spent a long time doing his due diligence as to become trusted by the Jedi so he might corrupt one he finds to be powerful enough: Anakin. Then when Luke is discovered, being the most powerful Jedi ever, the emperor redirects his attention away from Vader. But he will not simply dispense of Vader until it is clear that Vader would rather rule with Luke than under his great master.
I ultimately believe that the Skywalker clan is so powerful as they are so balanced in the force, belonging truly to neither the Jedi or the Sith but being able to draw both strengths. Most force users fail to balance and fall to one side or the other, as they do not understand the power of the balance. Obi Wan was just as misguided in trying to keep Anakin a Jedi as Sidious was in pulling him to the dark side; ultimately Vader slays both. And the prophecy never spoke of Anakin, he was merely a vessel to bring about the true chosen one, they (Rey) who will bring about the true balance by ridding us of both Jedi and Sith. It seems that trying to balance the force by destroying just one side seems blind to the truth of the negative impact of having only one.
Fire_And_Blood_7 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:26:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's definitely still alive, and I wouldn't be disappointed about it.. but here's my take on it (or my points for it and against);
My biggest problem with the theory is two things: Plagueis was a Muun, not a human. Now Snoke is messed up looking, but still looks human and looks absolutely nothing like a Muun. The second problem is that Snoke and Plagueis have two different personalities. "Plagueis the Wise" was disguised merchant and prominent man of business. His dealings in politics and power were all from behind the scenes. That's why he groomed Palpatine for politics and to be the face the republic. Snoke goes by "Supreme Leader" and is more of a Palpatine style ruler.
But again there are many things that support it. For one, Disney considered any history of Plagueis canaan besides the mention of him in episode 3. So they could as well make him not a Muun if they really want. Touching off that, Plagueis was one of the most powerful Sith Lords, and his specialty was to manipulate midichlorians to create life. So it's just possible enough for him to have reincarnated himself into anothers body or new person (something Sith's are known to do in the now canaan SW universe). Either way it could work.
The main thing that points to Plagueis (to me atleast) is Rey's staff. I am 100% convinced Rey's staff is the staff of Darth Plagueis (a reason she may be so force sensitive or a reason that might drive her to stray towards the dark side). And even if Snoke isnt Plagueis, i think her staff is still his staff and if they don't use it for some plot in the movie, it's just an easter egg type deal.
Forever_Man ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 02:31:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
100% Leia dies
1% they flip sides. They've put too much effort into making Kylo evil, especially if he presses the button in the fighter scene.
12% rey goes to the dark side. I don't like this idea. I think it's stupid. If they manage to pull it off successfully, it will be incredible.
70% we don't know who Rey's parents are. I'd wager she was created from the force like Anakin was. She was either created by Sidious or Snoke.
c0rtexj4ckal ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:24:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
100% Leia dies comment = true, but made me :(
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:16:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really doubt kylo turns good after killing his own father..if he does end up switching sides, I don't think i'd buy it.
glswenson ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:37:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anakin killed younglings and Alderaan and came back to the light.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:46:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean yeah, but killing your own parents is completely different imo.
glswenson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:47:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think he is going to spare Leia but someone else will kill her and that leads him back to the light side. Because he realizes he had love for her.
Lord_of_Aces ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:03:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think he did though. People have made the argument that Han was the one who activated the lightsaber to save his son from doing it.
goda90 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:25:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This makes me think that perhaps Leia will sacrifice herself as well on Ben's behalf, and that's what will bring him back from the dark side.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:00:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
80% Kylo goes light
40% Kylo saves Rey from Snoke
Cheshire_Human ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:31:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So this is like the third time Iโve ranted about this in this thread, but Rey being even remotely on the same level as Luke or Anakin would ruin the movie for me. Itโs always been pretty obvious that after Order 66 a lot of knowledge was lost, and even Yoda was unsure if it was possible for someone to be born through the force. Thereโs no way Snoke or Sidious made her, and if they use the same โThe midiclorians did itโ from Phantom Iโm going to be pissed.
A few things I think will happen
(This is stuff I personally want) 6. Luke bring Han back (maybe using the Holocron) 7. Boba Fett or a Fett descendant 8. ANYTHING to do with Revan. I thought thatโs what Kylos mask was originally, and I still want it.
glswenson ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:38:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the trailer implies Rey is going to be more powerful than Luke, based on his comments. Personally I think he's talking about Palpatine with his comments on not being afraid of the power before, because he was indignant in the face of the most powerful force user, possibly ever. I think she will be on a Palpatine or Palpatine-lite level of power. At least an Anakin level.
kanrad ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:09:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
See I gotta disagree here based on what we have seen in the movies. The films are the cannon we as viewers are meant to know and understand.
The most amazing example of force power came from Kylo. To stop a laser blast mid air was nothing short of a stunning display of reaction time and shear power. On top of that he holds it there while continuing a conversation as if it was no big deal.
Luke would have first hand knowledge of his nephews power and must have provided him some degree of training.
glswenson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:13:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's true. It very well could be about Kylo and probably is. Personally I like to believe it's about Palpatine because Luke wasn't scared of him at all, but Kylo does make more sense. If that's true Rey is far more powerful than Kylo at least from what we've seen. Although it's probable that he wasn't really trying to defeat her
kanrad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:31:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think what Luke is afraid of with Rey is her control of her power. He's seen how that kind of overwhelming power always corrupts the force user. That's what he's really afraid of, not the power it's self, how it can change the person.
mkblazer15 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:36:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In order- maybe, but I could see it being a misdirection in the trailer; I kind of doubt it; I think the former will survive to be in Ep 9; and yeah, I think that will be revealed in the final installment.
bckesso ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:56:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think I care who her parents are
TheBladeRoden ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:18:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke and Leia take opposite sides on whether Kylo or Rey is the real baddie. At first we think Kylo is going to kill Leia, but BOOM it's Rey that kills her.
0neek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:16:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really hope Kylo and Rey flip but at the same time I can't really see them going that far. Kylo redeeming himself and eventually becoming a good guy perhaps, but Rey going bad is too ballsy.
likewise45 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:50:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
NihiloZero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:49:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The both end up on the same side.
At the end of the movie... neither of them will be on the dark side.
Leia dies. But it will probably be Luke who kills her.
Possibly, but I'm pretty sure that Luke is her father.
HazonDakir ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:01:09 on October 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This got me thinking...what if it ends up as Rey and Kylo vs. Luke and Snoke?
Morsexier ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:17:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke has to die...
Gandalf (cheating), Dumbledore, Obiwan, Ned Stark (jk but i always think of him in this group).
turbografx-sixteen ยท 141 points ยท Posted at 02:04:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HOLY FUCKING SHIT.
I was like "ok... ok... ok..." most of the time taking it in.
But the fucking ending. Oh man. I laughed when they said Rey could go dark side. Fuck. She might!
December 15th can't come soon enough!
hMJem ยท 53 points ยท Posted at 02:10:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Plot twist: Luke is the last Jedi because Rey doesn't become a Jedi (yet)
elconquistador1985 ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 02:55:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke is the last Jedi because Yoda said so in ROTJ:
danielbryanjack ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 05:56:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yeah but if lukes the last jedi and then he trains another jedi he's no longer the last jedi
z3r0f14m3 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 11:15:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like he trained some but then fire, lots of fire, so back to last one.
RHPR07 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 12:36:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iโve been saying this for a while, Lukeโs the last Jedi because he was rush trained by Jedi. So although heโs a Jedi, heโs not a fully trained Jedi. Therefore any students of his wouldnโt really have the same training that normal Jedi did since he never really got the fuck training.
...does that make sense? It does to me
elconquistador1985 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:46:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It makes sense to me.
Everyone is all flustered about the title of the movie, but the title of the movie is basically "Luke Skywalker".
sabasNL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:46:46 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're right. I hadn't even realised that.
StoneforgeMisfit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:17:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Meh, if Yoda says he's got one last test before he's a Jedi, and he completed that task, who are we to argue?
"For 800 years have I trained Jedi. My own counsel will I keep on who is to be trained!"
turbografx-sixteen ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 02:12:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I truly don't know what to speculate anymore....
I'm sticking to my initial theory that Luke, Rey, and Kylo bring balance to the force by getting rid of the "light" and "dark" sides and mix them together in a sense.
MrGraveRisen ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:36:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if it's Kylo that brings the balance by being a mix of both. Rey kills luke, goes dark side, kylo goes light side but retains and uses his dark training since htere's no jedi to tell him how "bad" that is, goes full on darth revan... and kills rey and snoke in ep.9.
turbografx-sixteen ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:40:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shit if this wasn't owned by Disney that would be some shit right there!
Guess we're gonna find out!
MrGraveRisen ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:41:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean.... he DOES have the revan inspired mask. Rey might get redeemed too or just not go full dark side. and maybe luke dies to snoke or something
turbografx-sixteen ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:54:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't see Rey actually going dark side. I always gotta keep in mind Disney owns this and it's probably a bad look if their badass female lead goes all evil and stuff.
I'm assuming thats not something they'd want the little girls who may look up to her to aspire to?
But then again if I'm wrong, no complaints here. Just give me a good movie!
DiceRightYoYo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:46:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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ME_REDDITOR ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 04:50:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well they can always make a movie about trade disputes
nvnehi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:47:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I REALLY hope so, that's a better narrative. But it's less likely because they'll want to make movies for the upcoming generations that are easy to understand.
turbografx-sixteen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:53:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How dumb do they take us for?! Haha
WeylandCorp4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:50:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No please no
turbografx-sixteen ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:55:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How would you like these movies to play out good sir/madam/other?
WeylandCorp4 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:04:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's sir and I don't know, I don't want to know. I'd like to be suprised. I just don't want them to shit on the balance between the light and the dark, that was supposed to be a big issue in the original 6 films.
turbografx-sixteen ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:12:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. And I wanna be surprised too but I love to speculate!
I just think the way Luke is weathered and his initial temptation to the dark side in ep. 6 for a second. Also the fact that he (like Anakin) weren't indoctrinated in Jedi ways since he was born. AND with the fact that he tried to rebuild the Jedi and his own prodigy nephew kills them all.
Idk. Star Wars has always been a story of balance and this is one way I could see them going. Like a graying of the Force of sorts?
WeylandCorp4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:14:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd find it odd that after millenia of jedi and sith existing that the force would suddenly grey. But I'm not ruling it out.
I'm still unhappy that we never got to see a new Jedi order, when I first saw the tfw trailer and Kylo ren and heard about the Knights of ren I thought we'd get Luke, new hero (Rey) and a new Jedi order vs Kylo ren and the Knights of ren.
turbografx-sixteen ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:17:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm still not ruling out a showdown vs. the Knights of Ren.
The thought of Jedi Master Luke taking them all on and making them look like child's play would be a great way to show how much his power has grown since ep. 6.
But I highly doubt that will happen so I'm trying to keep my expectations low.
(Edit: Also yeah after all that millennia true but aren't the only force wielding people really left in the known universe all in this movie?)
(Edit again: Knights of Red lol)
WeylandCorp4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:53:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would be cool to see Luke open a can of woopass on the Knights of Ren but part of me just wants to see a group of Jedi fight a group of sith/darksiders on the big screen. Like in one of the trailers for the old republic.
chaosfire235 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:52:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Speaking of which, we still have yet to see the Knights of Ren! That's annoying...
turbografx-sixteen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:20:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've been really hype on them since they were mentioned. Here's hoping?
Ender_Skywalker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:13:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jedi is plural in this case.
bipbophil ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:11:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck I'm still shocked Bastila whent sith
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:26:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its more likely that kylo is redeemed.
turbografx-sixteen ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:29:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've been preaching this since 2015 but feels like no one's on board for it. I would hope he would!
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:32:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Plenty of people think thats where we are headed.
Star wars has always been a story of redemption.
He hesitated when he killed Han.
You can see hes hesitating in the trailee here to shoot the ship we presume Leia is on.
My theories are that rey is lukes daughter and we will find out in TLJ, and in 9 kylo will save her and kill snoak.
MrGraveRisen ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:38:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
eipisode 8, rey goes darkside, kylo gets exiled because snoke's new apprentice is way more capable than him (flees or something before snoke/rey kills him). episode 9 is about both of them finding a balance between light and dark, killing snoke together and becoming the new order of balanced force users, whatever they call it. Setting us up for the next trilogy, tv series, book, whatever.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:41:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Theres no way they have Rey go dark. No damn way. Its misdirection in the trailer.
turbografx-sixteen ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:38:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't shake the fact the he's essentially the Snape of the Star Wars world or like Red X in the OG Teen Titans.
He's pretending to be evil to convince Snoke (who wants to use him for his power) he's loyal to him then he's gonna try and kill him.
Then when Snoke realizes this he's gonna try and get Rey to his side because he's gonna expose some dark shit about Luke to her.
My only guess was that Luke is Rey's dad but he killed her mother for some reason?
Kezia89 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:27:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How can he be redeemed without dying? Is there precedence for a character in the Star Wars universe coming back from the dark side after causing so much death and destruction?
Anakin was "redeemed" after his death as Vader, but Kylo would be a living character with the weight of all of the murder he has committed. Most of the characters I can think of... Vader and Maul (sort of?) were redeemed only after death.
I suppose they could try to separate the characters of Kylo Ren and Ben Solo in the audience's minds, but it would still feel quite cheap.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:52:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In EU yes Revan is a good example.
thesaga ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:42:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's clearly misdirection, which means it's either a spoiler in the other direction (they want us to think Rey will turn so obviously she won't) or it's not worth reading into.
turbografx-sixteen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:51:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm aware that trailers are known to misdirect. Especially these. However I think the idea of Rey considering the dark side might be explored in this movie in one way or another.
CaptainKyloStark ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:30:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i dont think she'll go full dark she'll just meander as she pleases to take what she wants from either. i am not saying the G-word.
turbografx-sixteen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:37:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm thinking of how cool it would be to use dark side powers for good and vice versa!
greatyellowpie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:54:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
15th? but my tickets say the 14th, and thats in NZ so for america it'll be the 13th when i'm watching it.
turbografx-sixteen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:56:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well then, looking like I'm gonna pack up and move out there!
greatyellowpie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:00:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i'll save you a seat
Codyw28 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:03:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When the screen went black and then the Kylo and Rey scene came up, I was trembling
turbografx-sixteen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:05:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah they knew exactly what the hell they were doing with that. Good thing December isn't too far off right? I can make it till then?
Codyw28 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:08:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I donโt know if I can make it that long... โPatience you must haveโ
turbografx-sixteen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:10:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm trying to be careful not to choke on my own aspirations
MadHatter514 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:35:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Breathe. Just....breathe.
turbografx-sixteen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:39:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
10/10 use of Luke's first words in over 30 years.
jason_in_sd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:23:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
14th (West Coast is the best Coast) ๐๐ป
turbografx-sixteen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:41:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well if we're being technical here, I go to the Thursday premiere so it's the 14th on the east... at least :(
Yondu_the_Ravager ยท 51 points ยท Posted at 02:00:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm honestly beyond hyped for this!! Everything I've seen looks like Rian Johnson absolutely nailed this film. Can't wait till December!!
Flashasaurus ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:04:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This trailer was GOREGOUS.
Yondu_the_Ravager ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:05:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy SHIT that was the best looking trailer I've EVER SEEN. IM GONNA DIE WHEN I SEE IT
filmbuffering ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:03:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He said whatever he put into it he feels like he's going to regret something for the rest of his life.
That's the type of dedication you want for these films, IMO
BreezyFleet ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 02:02:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That Phasma vs Finn showdown looks awesome!
gfdarky ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:59:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am hoping Finn just blasts her while she is getting all fancy with her sword ala Indiana Jones...
semajvc ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:21:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I heard a rumor that itโs Phasma who loses a limb
Acorichards ยท 239 points ยท Posted at 02:03:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's that little fucking penguin thing?
LordJournalism ยท 55 points ยท Posted at 02:14:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs a Porg. Theyโre Force-sensitive natives that live on Ach-To based on the real life puffins that live on Skelig Michael.
notsurewhatiam ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:19:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How do you know about this
LordJournalism ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 02:21:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Porgs have been announced for awhile. The rest is super sleuth stuff from MakingStarWarsโ Podcast where theyโve been told certain things ahead of time. (For example, theyโve known they were called Porgs and what they looked like long before the official announcement).
Khaleesdeeznuts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:40:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is there any porgs in the shows or any mention of them ever before this movie?
LordJournalism ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 02:41:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nope. Their first appearance is going to be in this movie. Thereโs also a kids book coming out called โChewie and the Porgs.โ A lot of prediction has Chewie devastated by the death of Han and finding solace in his new friends, the Porgs.
ophelia_jones ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 05:14:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Porgs are Chewie's emotional support animals.
MrGraveRisen ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 02:34:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're already for sale as toys. what rock are you living under?
notsurewhatiam ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 02:46:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not as invested in Star Wars as you.
JasonGryphon ยท 294 points ยท Posted at 02:04:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a Porg. The new Ewok.
Aint_not_a_dorkus ยท 106 points ยท Posted at 02:13:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's the new keychain that will be hanging off kids schoolbags worldwide.
LordJournalism ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 02:19:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean high school teachers, right? Right? Because I currently have a Porg keychain on my laptop bag...
Hannibal_Lectard ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:27:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cue t-shirts of Porgs dabbing with their fidget spinners in 3...2...1...
Psykoala ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:52:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's the new Groot
LordJournalism ยท 116 points ยท Posted at 02:14:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Okay STFU. Donโt you talk bad about the Porgs one bit.
Chipman94 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 02:24:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I donโt like Porgs but your passion inspires me.
LordJournalism ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:25:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks. My wife thinks Iโm weird. I mean... Sheโs not wrong but I canโt help it. Porgs are amazing.
[deleted] ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 02:18:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Saying that the Porgs are the new Ewok is a GOOD thing! No bad talking here ;)
LordJournalism ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:20:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I... Iโm not sure if I can trust you.
Lord_Ewok ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:54:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You have something against ewoks?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:55:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No. I said it was a good thing.
Hannibal_Lectard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:26:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep.
JasonGryphon ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:15:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke ate those things! I bet they were delicious!
LordJournalism ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:19:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke is vegetarian. Stop it now.
SolracM ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:45:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seagulls.
Kerblaaahhh ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:57:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke lives on a little island with no farmland, pretty sure he force-pulls fish out of the water whenever he's feeling hungry.
ophelia_jones ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 05:12:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke sustains himself with sunlight, the friendship of porgs, and mechanical hand oil and no one will convince me otherwise.
Kerblaaahhh ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:20:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Living there alone I'll bet he goes through a lot of mechanical hand oil.
Bexirt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:51:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
what the fuck
stromdriver ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:00:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
found jessica chobot
matata_hakuna ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:17:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If by the new Ewok then you mean flesh eating robot worshipping jungle demons that took down a battalion of one the most powerful armies in the history of the galaxy then yeah... you can call it an ewok.
faraway_hotel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:09:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, don't make that comparison until we've seen Porgs build traps that can take armoured vehicles.
RoboNinjaPirate ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:22:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ewoks were the new R2. Gungans were the new Ewoks. Porgs are the enw Gungans.
HutSutRawlson ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:01:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Darth Porg confirmed
Lord_Ewok ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:56:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Should make a account called Lord Porg.
Bexirt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:52:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
holy shit
strokesfan91 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:35:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it looks like my cat
LordJournalism ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:42:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You have a cute cat, then.
strokesfan91 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:46:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like to think so, yes
LordJournalism ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:52:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stop! That white mouth!!!
imdrunkontea ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:25:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
they must earn that title. I want to see swarms of the things ripping troopers apart, limb by limb.
Bears_Bearing_Arms ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:20:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's more like the new Baby Groot.
The_True_Zephos ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 06:26:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Those things are there purely for toy sales. Gotta have something for the little girls too.
WigginIII ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 02:07:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The comic relief and guaranteed merch sales.
Acorichards ยท -19 points ยท Posted at 02:10:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have they not learned their lesson?
LordJournalism ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 02:15:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is the dumbest comment on Reddit. Every single movie ever that has merchandise has something that draws in the sales.
glswenson ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:36:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That comic relief makes them millions of dollars? Look at how much merchandise BB8 sold.
jason_in_sd ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:20:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of what? K-2SO was hilarious and a great addition to ROne. C-3PO to the others. Only miss was Jar Jar in TPM. They're batting 8/9
Bexirt ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:50:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus Christ.How dare you say that
IT'S A PORG
BE CAREFUL NOT TO CHOKE ON YOUR ASPIRATIONS DIRECTOR
Textosterone69 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:10:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The next hot Christmas toy.
Nantoone ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:20:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're actually called "little fucking penguin things" in the movie.
rayrios ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:04:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Merchandising! Where the real money from the movie is made!
zootskippedagroove6 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:45:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I fucking hate it already
mr_blanket ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:11:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
.... "humor"
Eevee136 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:49:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really don't think anyone is gonna be fucking the porg though.
darkmood ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:33:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Meesa you sidekick!
tinyturtletricycle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:21:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
$$$ for Disney.
DarthEwok42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's the Han replacement.
Austyx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:23:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jar Jar's son
weezy22 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 03:48:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks Disney for adding random "kiddie" creatures.
Wireless-Wizard ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:23:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you think that's not a Star Wars tradition you're delusional.
weezy22 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:36:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol read the books, play the games. I hate stupid little creatures that make the Movies more marketable.
Wireless-Wizard ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:55:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Too bad. They've been in every movie, and they always will be.
weezy22 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:38:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're the problem with the new Star Wars fandom.
Wireless-Wizard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:33:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Got into it as a kid in the 90s.
But of course that implies I have any need to justify myself to a negative stereotype of a nerd.
weezy22 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:16:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We are literally debating a new sci-fantasy movie; I think it's safe to say we are both nerds.
Wireless-Wizard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:55:13 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My point is that when people who dislike sci fi or fantasy imagine a nerd, bitter people like you are what they imagine.
weezy22 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:59:21 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
lol
evilcheesypoof ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:35:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have you watched Star Wars before...?
weezy22 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:35:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I watch Star Wars for the adventure and excitement. I hate stupid little creatures that make the Movies more marketable.
evilcheesypoof ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:22:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Okay well every Star Wars movie has them so itโs nothing new. Doesnโt really make sense to blame Disney.
weezy22 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:34:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Really, where are they in Episode 4 or 5? I don't recall merchandise-y creatures in those. Not until episode 6 when George was like "how do I make more money..." *hits blunt "...Tiny. Litle. Bears."
evilcheesypoof ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:42:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
R2D2, Jawas, Yoda is literally a little muppet with miss piggyโs voice, Iโm not sure why them being more marketable or not affects your enjoyment of the movie. Ewoks were probably calculated to be more marketable but that doesnโt make them bad on their own. You could argue having them take down the empire is silly but we have no indication this new little seal thing will be that important. Itโs just a cute little animal that might be good for a slapstick joke or two.
The only time most people agree it was way too much was Jar Jar but thatโs because he was annoying over the top main character, if he had a much smaller role it wouldnโt have been out of place.
weezy22 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:58:19 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
R2, Jawas, and Yoda all fit and make sense.
R2 is a master droid that helps the hero get out of pinches. Jawas are strange scavengers. Their blacked out faces and glowing eyes makes them for intriguing Yoda is a tiny creature that is more powerful than he looks because of his understanding of the force. I will mention the "Judge me by my size do you" quote, that helps the audience understand the power of the force a lot better. They all have a role that makes sense.
Ewoks, they kill the stormtroopers with pebbles.... pebbles... How? Because George wanted killer teddy bears. Episode 6 would be better if they were Wookies or something else.
I thought I was a huge fanboy, but at least I can criticize and see how the movies could be a whole lot better.
I know people who now only watch the movies because of the gimmicky useless characters that away from the story.
evilcheesypoof ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:48:44 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can criticize them too, I think the prequels are garbage, rogue one needed better characters, the end of ROTJ has silly parts, and I think they could have taken a few more risks with Force Awakens (and not have a 3rd Death Star), I just donโt think adding a character for kids is a problem if it doesnโt get in the way, like I said thereโs no indication this new animal is anything more than a little pet for Chewie or something. I think some people are getting worked up over nothing, like when people were afraid BB8 was gonna be the new Jar Jar.
The various droids, creatures, and aliens are charming to a general audience as long as they arenโt annoying/in the way like Jar Jar was.
Nazcarfanatic24 ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 08:02:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can we just take a few seconds to acknowledge that in just over 2 months, thousands of us are going to see our(and our parents) childhood hero, LUKE SKYWALKER, on screen for the first time in over 30 years?!?!?!
Man...I've wanted to be Luke Skywalker since I was seven years old!
Mackaf ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 08:57:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Technically thr last minute of force awakens counts
Nazcarfanatic24 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 08:58:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True! Man I cried at that last scene in Force Awakens
UPRC ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 08:33:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
*millions
Nazcarfanatic24 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:42:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Forgive me.
Bosseking ยท 69 points ยท Posted at 10:48:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All I want to see is a Vader like Rogue One moment for Luke. Please. I one to see the old master's full power
[deleted] ยท 439 points ยท Posted at 02:00:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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swill128 ยท 1386 points ยท Posted at 02:01:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes the good guy faces adversity and loses a lot
FisterRobotOh ยท 662 points ยท Posted at 02:03:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And the bad guy has a carbon fiber racing stripe on his face.
--_l ยท 201 points ยท Posted at 02:08:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Now that's what I call pod racing stripe
whatevernamela ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 02:17:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
GODS I WAS STRIPED THEN
soufend ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:48:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
GO GET THE STRIPE STRETCHER
UncleRoo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:40:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
START THE POD RACE BEFORE I PISS MESELF
BuckFurke ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:24:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I heard it increases spinning success rate as a good trick.
crooks4hire ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:39:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
tm
Tashre ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:36:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It adds 10 speed.
Sheazer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To go faster
stromdriver ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:53:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
he must get so much downforce from that
LearningLifeAsIGo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was disappointed in the "now this is podracing" line.
crooks4hire ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:40:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought it was well timed and in good taste. 10/10 Hutts Approve
Turdferguson313 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He looks like he got tea bagged by a droid.
ctoldcereal ยท 282 points ยท Posted at 02:03:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snape kills Dumbledore.
Fiat-Libertas ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 02:13:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No thread is safe.
metanoia29 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:24:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://m.imgur.com/gallery/R390EId
Skea_and_Tittles ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:45:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
God damnit
MessyRoom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:24:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Page 605.
made_in_silver ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:52:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Whaaaat???
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:41:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, Kylo and Snape look nigh-identical.
(Book Snape, ya'all, not Rickman!Snape.)
Zeta42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:44:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo's hair is too good to be book Snape.
Cooperjmartin724 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:20:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tag your spoilers for fucks sake
TnAdct1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:39:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
NO!!!!
You bitch, you bitch!!!
Atheldemic ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 02:03:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Episode 8 aka Episode 5
aatencio91 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:09:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How was episode 8?
theredditoro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some scenes did seem reminiscent of 5.
swill128 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:26:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs like poetry. It rhymes
WigginIII ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:04:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good girl!
JonnyArtois ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:42:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hello episode 5 !
willmcavoy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
THEY RUINED IT!
epochenologie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mainly a hand, as usual.
stormtrooper1701 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:43:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A step up from The Force Awakens, I guess...
christ0fer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:58:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Woah there, they asked if there were spoilers. Not to give the whole movie away.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:34:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
deleted What is this?
krayt ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:02:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
*Gal
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:03:42 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In other words, EXACTLY LIKE THE OT WITH THE GOOD GUYS WINNING IN THE END, BECAUSE ALL THEY'RE DOING IS REPLAYING THE OT WITH DIFFERENT CHARACTERS.
overloadrages ยท 86 points ยท Posted at 02:01:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean maybe? But itโs cut in a way youโre not sure imo.
Big_Kahuna_Burger94 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:05:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is the real answer. I honestly couldn't tell what was connected cut to cut. If you don't do a frame by frame analysis there's only probably one moment that I'd deem a "plot related reveal"
[deleted] ยท 246 points ยท Posted at 02:02:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Vikings are leading at half
youarelookingatthis ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 02:07:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude spoilers
R0binSage ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:14:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like a baseball score.
a_fish_out_of_water ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:45:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Cubs have outscored the Bears so far
mrsuns10 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:54:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We live in a reality where the Cubs are great now
Errk_fu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:09:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What a lead they've built too
Giddyfuzzball ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs riveting
Gestrid ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 02:18:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who cares?
Tyrops ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:59:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
just because you don't care doesn't mean everyone else doesn't as well
Gestrid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:01:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let me rephrase that:
Who cares? There's a new Star Wars trailer!
Tyrops ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:03:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
good save lmfao
samlee405 ยท 224 points ยท Posted at 02:01:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uhm, a bit yea. One that involves a main character too
Edit: To clarify, I think there's several each having to do with confrontations of various characters. The first of them is most likely a fake out (look at the reaction of the background characters), the second is not a fake out as you see the direct confrontation between the two characters, and the third and last one is almost definitely a fake out.
theredditoro ยท 172 points ยท Posted at 02:02:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I bet that's a fake.
[deleted] ยท 142 points ยท Posted at 02:03:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's absolutely a fake-out.
willmcavoy ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:04:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Either way I'm only watching it once and not pouring over it again and again for clues.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:05:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are stronger than myself. Good on you.
jk021 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:16:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm definitely gonna watch like 50 more times
rex_dart_eskimo_spy ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:06:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't even look like the same scene. But if it is real, that's great.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:06:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even if the fake-outs aren't fake-outs I'm intrigued by the implications of them rather than feeling spoiled.
merelyfreshmen ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:07:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't tell, it seems like just good editing, but could be a way out of the problem with that character.
Revived_Bacon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:18:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably a Force vision. It looked like Rey was still wearing her Resistance outfit.
R3dFiveStandingBye ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:29:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
LIES! DECEPTION!!
Psykoala ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:47:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if it was intentionally made to look like a fake out but that's what actually happens. The fake out fake out
DetectiveVaginaJones ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 02:03:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree. I feel like they wouldnโt give out that much info in a trailer
Sailor_Gallifrey ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 02:06:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finn vs Kylo Ren was used as a massive misdirection in the TFA trailer, I don't trust anything I see in this one.
Emperor_Neuro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:32:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But Finn vs. Kylo did happen....
Sailor_Gallifrey ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:40:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, but it was used in the trailer to imply that it was going to be totally different than it was.
ThaNorth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:59:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How? They showed Finn holding a lightsaber and fighting Kylo. Which is what happened.
Sailor_Gallifrey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:28:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And Finn fighting Kylo was the climax of the movie. Oh, wait...
ThaNorth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:36:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Still not seeing your point.
Lieutenant_Meeper ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:07:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not necessarily: they show us that in order to have us question how it gets resolved.
AerThreepwood ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:47:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You didn't see the scene where Kylo and Rey fight Doomsday with the help of Amazon warrior Finn?
Thor_2099 ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 02:03:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ditto. They wouldn't reveal that in a trailer. MISDIRECTION PEOPLE.
The_True_Zephos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:28:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
^ Misdirection people!
spideralex90 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 02:03:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seems like a big fake out to me.
Flashasaurus ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:03:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, considering the IRL circumstances...?
that_guy2010 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 02:04:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They said they had to write that character out of 9. I think they were talking about the end of the trailer.
Flashasaurus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:20:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, I guess I assumed the ending was misdirection.
shy247er ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:05:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
spoiler
soonerfreak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:49:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That looks like two different scenes on rewatch.
mackasfour ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:04:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, the way the shots are shown it seems to be a typical misdirection. However I still wouldn't watch it if you wanna go in fairly clean.
WhoTookPlasticJesus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:03:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yah, there's no way they'd reveal that in a trailer.
el-toro-loco ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:04:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Big if true
AgentDink ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:38:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The next 24 hours are critical for the Last Jedi
i_hate_toolbars ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:06:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qKcJF4fOPs
BrokeRule33Again ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:24:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, we all knew that Snoke was Jar Jar.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol no there isn't. Nothing more than typical trailer ambiguity.
mr_blanket ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
that's the "I'm your father" twist this time
ahepperla ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:29:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The lighting is similar but I bet the part with Rey is her talking to Luke around a campfire during her training on the island
theredditoro ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 02:01:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only some.
probablyuntrue ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 02:01:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eh there are some encounters I'd def call spoiler-ish, I can see what Mark meant
theredditoro ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:03:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely.
willmcavoy ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:02:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably only for diehard fans because I didn't catch anything overwhelming tbh. Its probably best to watch it once and not pour over it again and again for clues.
Scottyjscizzle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:13:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly only one scene stuck out as spoilerish, the rest was likely piecemeal. The spoiler also was a "could have assumed it would happen" scenario.
Giddyfuzzball ยท 63 points ยท Posted at 02:02:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snoke is Palpatine
never_fucking_giveup ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 02:02:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snoke is JAR JAR
Bird_and_Dog ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 02:05:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
IT WASA MEESA ALL ALONGSA!
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:05:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snoke is Mace Windu!
mifan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snoke Doggy Dogg!
crooks4hire ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:42:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fiddy Snoke!
jk021 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:18:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
*Darth Jar Jar....FTFY
Bexirt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:53:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Darth vader is jar jar
oops
metanoia29 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:25:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't shake the same feeling. It would be such a cop-out to bring him back, but it feels so possible...
RJCtv ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:02:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Smoke is Dex confirmed. Well whadaya know?
NabiscoShredderWheat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:46:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm betting heavily on Ezra right now. How Rebels ends may change that.
yojoono ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 02:01:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd skip it honestly, there's a few thing's I wish I didn't see
EDIT: after watching it a few more times, I think some things are misdirects, but you can never be too careful.
buffalo4293 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:06:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Totally agree, it was a well done trailer but definitely gave away more plot than Iโd like
The_torpedo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:06:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can confirm. Immediate regret has set in
CrystalElyse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:16:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup. I definitely regret seeing it.
I only watched it because I felt like I'd rather see it in person than have it spoiled for me. There's 2 months to go, even with a complete media blackout (lol, like that's gonna happen) there's still no way I'd make it that long without finding out something from it.
jk021 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:17:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Such as? (Use the spoiler tag)
xFirexCrackerx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:47:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed, I'm telling myself that Luke saying "this is not going to go the way you think" is the trailer makers giving me some assurance it wasn't ruined
niktemadur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:55:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And hide from the internet for two months? Nah, I had to watch it.
anewlens ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:04:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same :(
Loki364 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:01:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Many
JanMichaelVincent16 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:06:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Possibly. They may have shown how the movie ends, as well as a possible pre-death scene.
iamgroot91 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:06:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do not watch the trailer. I repeat do not watch the trailer!
fisk42 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:06:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly what I came here to ask. After reading some of the replies Iโm skipping it.
Exoslab ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:01:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yah definitely some big plot points shown
deafpoet ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 02:03:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, maybe? Devoid of context there's no way to know what's a spoiler and what isn't. I thought it was a great tease and I don't feel like I know a ton more about it than when I went in.
Exoslab ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:05:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I totally agree with you but at the same time people have many different preferences on what they consider "spoilers." Honestly the trailer was great.
Scottyjscizzle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:17:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea but if you are so sensitive to possible spoiler material why watch a second trailer anyways.
LilAhsoka ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly have more questions now than before I saw the trailer
aaronwashere01 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:01:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldnโt watch it
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:04:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I give it an OK. Nothing was spoiled for me. Nothing i saw made me go...dang. i wish i didn't watch it.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:05:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Spoiler: The Vikings and Bears suck
Brocerystore ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:01:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Biggly
TheDuckHunt3r ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:01:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd say massive.
CardMechanic ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:01:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty much yes
Arctic_Ghost_SS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:01:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is
tripp45 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:01:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes
end_of_discussion ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:01:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So many spoilers.
beatrixkiddo69 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:01:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah
spiderpigface ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:01:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. No. Probably.
Smallgenie549 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:03:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. At least two big ones. One is outright shown; the other is implied.
PilkingtonPies ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:03:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. Kinda regret watching that.
LordJournalism ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:04:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A LOT. If youโre trying to avoid, do not watch.
PiratePilot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:04:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd say yes.
Blargcakes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:04:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Padme is Snoke
Jack-fa18 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:04:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are a couple of things in this trailer that might be considered spoilers, if you want to go into the movie completely blind, I'd recommend not watching this trailer.
karmacow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:04:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rey to the darkside confirmed
khovland92 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yeah which spoilers do you want to know? :p
ProfessorDerp22 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, little bit more than I was expecting
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyoneโs view on spoilers are so different. Pretty much every movie trailer spoils an aspect of a movie.
audiodormant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would say if you are like 6 or above out of 10 sensitive to spoilers don't watch. 1 would be watch everything and read the leaks, 10 would be refuse to watch read hear anything.
superfluouselk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not blatant, but plenty is hinted at
dalr3th1n ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hard to say exactly how big they are, but a couple things in the trailer looked like spoilers to me.
TheDudeNeverBowls ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. Two.
joecb91 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, still tough to tell exactly how the story will go but it showed some big moments
pduffy52 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. Apparently it takes place in space, and they are having some sort of conflict.
HiHaterslol ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but we also thought Finn was a Jedi at one point
TheBigAndy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:07:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah it's bad.
PJSeeds ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:07:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Meh, not anything too obvious. I say it's worth watching.
Agastopia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:07:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tbh a lot but it could be misdirection
thatguy52 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly don't think the spoilers are bad.... we have zero context and im sure the trailer was cut to be misleading. It shows some interaction of main characters, but that's to be expected.
DeekoOne ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Donโt watch it.
Dandw12786 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like in retrospect some of it may be spoiler-y (meaning after you see the movie, if you watch this trailer again, you'd go "how could they put those spoilers in there!"), but there's no context with a lot of it, so I thought it was pretty safe. I agree with the majority of people saying the only possible spoiler was probably a fake-out.
hotredsam2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not really no
theSchiller ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:14:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Watch until the very last 5 sec then you'll be ok
momshotdad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:15:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hard to say. Could all be misdirection. Could be a bit spoilery. I would say dodge it if you're paranoid.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:18:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah there's a big space station
MayIServeYouWell ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:20:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody knows.
Warhorse07 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:30:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was all a dream...
earther199 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:39:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, we won't know their spoilers until the movie comes out...
AngelinaP24 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:42:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
From a certain point of view...
AerThreepwood ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:47:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They showed Doomsday in the trailer.
Sailor_Gallifrey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:47:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's not anything I would call a spoiler in that it tells you what will happen, but I think it makes you ask more specific questions about what will happen.
Ganadote ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:49:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's no way we can tell if it's a spoiler or intentional misdirection.
Chocodong ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:02:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only like three big ones. It's fine.
Ender_Skywalker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:20:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is at least one thing that could be a massive spoiler, but honestly, I wouldn't count on them spoiling it in the trailer. At this point, it's up in there as to whether anything's true or misdirection. Honestly, I would watch it (hence, why I did). I mean, TFA's trailers didn't spoil anything, right?
dayoldhansolo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:33:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's hard to say, it shows a lot of potential plot points. They might be crafty misdirection. It definitely shows a lot more than the TFA trailers
Lord_Ewok ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:51:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No very speculative the only thing that comes close is something we already knew.
aoteoroa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:42:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who knows until we actually see the movie? Sure there are some minor reveals in the trailer but its still hard to predict the plot.
NihiloZero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:23:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uhh... there are major spoilers in this trailer. But they did a pretty decent job of masking the fact that Luke Skywalker will be revealed as the primary villain.
JupitersClock ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, lots
imjustboredatwork ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
MUUUUUUSSSSTTT UNSEEEEEE!!! Nooooooooooo
DoucheyHowserMD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do not watch it
edit:if youre worried about spoilers
BigDickRichie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:04:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. Several major plot points are strongly implied.
nltass ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:03:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
kylo kills leia
Professor_Crab ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:07:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Implied
DankisKhan ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:02:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kinda yeah
Johnwaynefringegame ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:02:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kind of?
PizzaTheHutt415 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:03:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iโd lean towards yes but sometimes I canโt help myself. If youโre avoiding them, donโt watch
hiredantispammer ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:03:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
YES!
Trumpologist ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:03:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
kinda, there's a scene of kylo shooting someone, and it's pretty clear who
Learning_Communism ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:05:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yoda dies
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:06:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Han gets frozen in carbonite.
CptFosma ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 02:05:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TOOT TOOT MOTHER FUCKERS HYPE TRAIN IS GOING TO HYPERSPACE
exstreams1 ยท 2162 points ยท Posted at 02:00:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
okay back to the thing we were all waiting for.. the 2nd half of a 3-2 NFL game
FUCK THE YANKEES
blueindsm ยท 319 points ยท Posted at 02:01:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
SKOL!
BenV17 ยท 151 points ยท Posted at 02:02:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
SKOL!
username1012357654 ยท 88 points ยท Posted at 02:02:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tittiess Trubisky > Bradford
voluptuousshmutz ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:07:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Detective Keenum > Boobtitski
MikeRotch4756 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:05:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trubisky to canton
saucytryhard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
KYLO REN KILLED PRINCESS LEIA
DeadDay ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:16:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
LIES
a_fish_out_of_water ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:45:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
DECEPTIONS
DetectiveVaginaJones ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:03:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Case has got this!
blueindsm ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:04:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's going to have to....Teddy won't be reddy for 2 weeks.
atropos2012 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:05:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
4 :(
blueindsm ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:06:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh.
DetectiveVaginaJones ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:06:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We have such bad luck.. we have had some great teams but something happens every year that holds us back.
pierrebottineau ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:06:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't worry investigator Keemun is on the case second half.
bandrica ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:05:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
SKOL!
josiahdurie ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:06:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
SKOL
maxicheezestick ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:17:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
SKOL!
scottysnacktimee ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:25:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
SKOL!
TheDirewolfShaggydog ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 02:03:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
SKร L!
Calimariae ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:52:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is this something you say?
Norwegian here asking.
It's skรฅl by the way.
blueindsm ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:57:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes it's a nod to our Scandinavian roots.
Calimariae ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:58:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stilig
BF3FAN1 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 02:05:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
GO PACK
Seanay-B ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 02:03:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Still Keep On Losing
Flashasaurus ยท 53 points ยท Posted at 02:03:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ALDS has scored more points thus far, haha.
j1m3n3zx ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:06:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Literally feels like a baseball game, only with more concussions.
MrBokbagok ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:10:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the empire did nothing wrong
dra39437 ยท 86 points ยท Posted at 02:02:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck the packers!
[deleted] ยท 58 points ยท Posted at 02:04:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You guys like when we lose more than when you win...
tadpoleguy ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 02:07:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're wrong, but just barely.
raknor88 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:44:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As a proper Vikings fan should. It's always a good day when Packers lose.
If the Vikings lose all their games but beat the Packers in the 2 divisional games, it was a winning season in my book.
BellacosePlayer ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:43:50 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No wonder you guys are depressed all the time, lol.
dra39437 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:08:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's all we have, and we don't even get it much anyway
tarekd19 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:45:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yeah, I did not expect this in a star wars thread. the hate is strong
Dandw12786 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:07:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Truth. I've got friends that are Vikings fans and they legit root against the Packers every week. Never see them root for their own team, though. Misery loves company.
Exessen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:53:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're just shitty fans then.
Andy51 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:00:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We don't win a lot
end_of_discussion ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:07:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FTP!
blueindsm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:04:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FTP!! SKOL!
BenV17 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:03:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iโll upvote to that ๐บ
ronsauce ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:04:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FTP
brokenarrow ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:43:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's treason, then.
Sarclown ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:03:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TruBEARsky, bitches!
DoucheyHowserMD ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:05:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
RULE 3
Freddit- ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:02:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Feeling bad for Bradford right now.
mickopious ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:49:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
(Takes the knee)
๐โ
ncolaros ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:55:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here comes 28!
cubs1917 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:03:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
2-2 is better than i ever thought wed do. Go Yanks!
That_One_Cool_Guy ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:02:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
NFC North's worst teams face off
Wombizzle ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:33:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You. I like you.
cubs1917 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:04:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I cant hear you over tgis legacy
exstreams1 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:37:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I had 10 hours left of community service to provide and this counted as 8
illwill3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:21:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol actually ended up being a great second half
probablyuntrue ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
With the Chicago Bears woooo!
i_hate_toolbars ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So uncivilized
NotFranklinTheTurtle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bear Down!
not_not_lying ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At least we get to watch some tittiess be kissed
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:04:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Watching Aaron Rodgers spoils me.
He is the chosen one.
j11430 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:04:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey Trubisky looks not shitty so as a Bears fan I'm also excited to get back to this poopy game
flintmichigantropics ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:04:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where's Marshall Eriksen when you need him?
skippyMETS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
LET'S GO METS!
Revived_Bacon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That last minute before half time dragged on F O R E V E R
ChrisHarperMercer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey good game so far
RickorMorty_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!
TheWildLugia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:07:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
lmao almost thought I was in /r/nfl for a second there
ManIWantAName ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:07:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lmfao thank you. I needed this laugh.
jumpy_vagina_eater ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:07:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Game is so boring, watching mainly for this trailer, had goosebumps the entire time.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How do you get 2 points in a football game?
Magmaniac ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:00:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A Safety. You tackle someone on the opposing team who has the ball backwards into their own endzone.
Coovyy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:14:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This makes me so happy. My two favorite things are Star Wars, then the Mets. So agreed, FUCK THE YANKEES.
MrRager1994 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:16:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
RULE NUMBER 3
asp821 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:17:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tribe Time baby!
Austyx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:21:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Da Bears
Tacdeho ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:49:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
God, I'm a diehard football fan and even I'm like "Wow I watched twenty minutes of this. Not even worth it"
AS A SOX FAN I GOTTA SAY I LIKE YOUR STUFF FRIEND
tassadank ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:06:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Should be 3-0.. Bradford is a bum for taking that sack.
OMG [insert spoiler] AT THAT TRAILER
msgbonehead ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:08:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck the Yankees
StarWarsTNG ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:09:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Up vote for "FUCK THE YANKEES"
this_mild_idea ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:28:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Go Pack.
Imbahr ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:02:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
LMAO!
dartball ยท 487 points ยท Posted at 02:05:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We want Hayden Christensen
tookTHEwrongPILL ยท 73 points ยท Posted at 02:32:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As a flashback, a force ghost...?
BOBULANCE ยท 257 points ยท Posted at 02:41:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AS THE PROTAGONIST
IronMarauder ยท 51 points ยท Posted at 02:45:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anakin was so powerful that he could create a fake force ghost while biding his time and waiting for the perfect moment to strike back (as snoke)?!?!?!?
Hannibal_Lectard ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:21:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait. Are you saying that Anakin was so powerful and so wise he could use the Force to influence the midichlorians to create life...?
KlingonAdmiral ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 05:22:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As Rey. Rey is Anakin reincarnated, as his force-ghost refused to break out of the eternal cycle of birth and death that becoming a force-ghost entails, at least after a while. Perhaps he still thought that there was work needed to be done to "bring balance to the force". As Anakin was a incredibly powerful force-user, his "soul" was able to reincarnate mostly intact, whereas your normal souls dissolve in the great ocean that is the force and in droplets are imparted on life upon birth.
unconquered ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:32:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
From a certain point of view.
smallstone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I read the word "protagonist" in Plinkett's voice.
ActuallyAquaman ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 03:24:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Idk man that island looks like it has sand on it
SirPounces ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 04:31:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And not just Hayden, but the women and the children too
rogermaxson13 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 03:14:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We want more, and we know we shouldn't
ironphan24 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 03:26:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Turns out he hangs with Luke on the island
[deleted] ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 02:22:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, thatโs the guy from 60 minutes in heaven! Heโd be great in The Star Wars!
SolracM ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:47:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He'd be a good Anakin Skywalker! Hopefully that guy who made American Graffiti can make some really good Star Wars movies set before the originals starring him... Kinda like a prequel. Maybe two or three.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:28:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I read on The YouTube that they were thinking of casting Liam Nelson from Batman and Taken!
Famixofpower ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 03:15:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want William Dafoe as a sith, you don't see me shouting my fantasies
FuckYouSassy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:32:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know why someone would want that but I hope you get it someday
Famixofpower ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 08:37:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everything about his performances when he's evil make him the perfect bad guy. I haven't seen him live in a movie since Spider-Man, but imagine him dressed in black robes interrogating somebody with his evil voice telling a rebel to feel the power of the dark side as he reaches out his evil fingers, grabs their necks, and chokes them so hard that their head falls off. Then he turns around and opens a can of force lightning on the pack of rebels behind him.
shadow7786 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:44:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Darth klaus
Daephex ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:52:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought we wanted plates?! I am so confused.
PoopTempest ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:41:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We do?
Bourbone ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:07:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do we?
Lob_Shot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:00:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We want the Others
No no we don't forget I brought them up
glswenson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:36:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have faith we will see him in this new trilogy.
Prombor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:22:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stop living in the paaaaaaaast!
Kleemin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:33:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you gtfo
photonlongsword ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 04:06:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't.
saarlac ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 03:19:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No we donโt.
TheDrZhark ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:16:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's treason then
knightofsparta ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 02:02:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think snoke is talking about Rey in the beginning of the trailer. Especially since he is with her when she's screaming at the end.
jsbisviewtiful ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:10:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is the first comment Iโve seen mentioning Reyโs clip of being in pain. Thatโs the most intriguing clip of the trailer for me.
withateethuh ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:33:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Especially with Snoke talking about her realizing her destiny. I think we're going to see some major revelations about her background.
Forever_Man ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:25:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think Kylo is going to hand her over to snoke.
boredguitarist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:51:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was thinking about that too. How could you tell itโs him?
UltraDangerLord ยท 64 points ยท Posted at 02:04:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow. Based on this trailer, this might be Mark Hamill's best performance yet. Such raw emotion.
SomeCanadianGamer ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 02:44:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Im sensing the word "raw" is now the word of the day thanks to the trailer
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 03:45:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm definitely raw after that trailer
the2belo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:03:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Now I want to see Mark Hamill on stage in a purple leather suit
therealggamerguy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:34:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
IT'S FUCKING RAW
danielbryanjack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:57:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
such a raw take
SeacattleMoohawks ยท 248 points ยท Posted at 02:01:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo and Rey joining forces oh shit
NaggingNavigator ยท 479 points ยท Posted at 02:03:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
probably cut to mislead
vaultmaira ยท 188 points ยท Posted at 02:05:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Almost certainly. It's probably from where Rey is convincing Luke to train her
Flexappeal ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:45:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
what if it's DOUBLE misdirection because they know we'll think this and straight up Rey goes dark and it's up to Poe and Finn to save her in 9
ChewyIsMyC0Pil0t ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:26:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It'll be up to Ben to save her, it's how he'll redeem himself
emelecfan2048 ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 02:12:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree but at the same time, the lighting on her face shows red which would match with the red background of Kylo when he stretched his hand out
V3yhron ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:39:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea but look at the background of both, there are no fiery ashes falling down behind Rey like there are behind Kylo
Jackie_Treehorn1620 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:50:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm guessing it's the reflection of a camp fire while talking to Luke on his desolate island.
TJGM ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:54:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There was a set picture released of a camp fire on Ach-To, it looks like she's sitting next to the fire while saying that, talking to Luke I assume.
thedaddysaur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:09:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably after he freaks about her power.
WroughtLion ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:40:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like her white training shirt, not her end of the movie brown and grey robe.
[deleted] ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 02:11:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hopefully. I get that forgiveness and repentance has been a major theme in Star Wars, but I really don't want Rey to just up and forgive Kylo for murdering not just men, but women and children too.
AnakinShitposter ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:41:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
PEOPLE MAKE MISTAKES!!
BOBULANCE ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:42:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He slaughtered them like animals. HE HATES THEM.
thedaddysaur ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:08:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And Han.
theredditoro ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:09:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely. It would be cool if it wasn't.
NaggingNavigator ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:10:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They'd have to make it happen logically and that seems like of heck of a stretch
oooh based on the fact that it looks like burning temple, i think it could be forceback/dagobah style test
CrazyLlamaX ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:16:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not really, Luke refuses to train her, she's not going to go to Snoke, so she asks Kylo, who may have realized Snoke would trash him in a second if he could get Rey.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:26:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think something like this is way more likely. Disney wouldn't just hang the idea of a team-up between them in the trailer and never show it. Plus, Rogue One showed they are willing to give Star Wars unique plot points.
CrazyLlamaX ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:31:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The idea of Rey being the Catalyst that turns Kylo back to the light side, and potentially them both creating a new doctrine unlike the Jedi's or Sith is awesome.
Think something close to what Revan and Bastila propose in the Old Republic timeline, where instead of eschewing all emotion, using positive ones, like love and joy, to fuel them. Basically being even more directly opposed to the Sith's philosophy. From a real world psychological standpoint it makes a hell of a lot more sense than just "ignore your feelings, bottle it all up, what's the worst that could happen?"
NaggingNavigator ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:23:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i guess that's actually a feasible possibility
also why have i gotten over 100 upvotes on this comment i didn't even use punctuation
CrazyLlamaX ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:25:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's the hype man, everyone's drunk on it right now!
DarkJedi3000 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:22:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not, she has to be tempted by Kylo and Snoke at some point or the character arc would be mediocre.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:26:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or that's what they want us to think!
MakinAllKindzOfGainz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:45:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Big, if true.
NaggingNavigator ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:53:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
IF
dra39437 ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 02:04:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like Luke refuses to train her and she has to find the only other Jedi left! Exciting
smatdesa ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:56:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
More like he doesnt allow her to go help chewie in space but she went anyway.... repeat of Luke/Bespin/Vader?
The_Night-Man_Cometh ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:03:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Very punny.
SexyBenFranklin ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:03:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs a fake out.
Goose_Dies ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:05:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's a fake out. I think it will be Kylo and Luke.
TheDukeDude ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:03:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No way
TooMuchButtHair ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:05:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's probably more deliberate deception. Almost guaranteed.
jwhitmire2012 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:07:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Two different scenes.
CaptainCannonCock ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or or or or.... a little targarean fun??? ;)
BlackCaaaaat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:28:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cue Reylo fans going INSANE
Tucker4President ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:02:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My theory, this is NOT the climax, this is the midpoint of the film. The climax is the snow-fox planet with Leia looking sadly upon the horizon.
diachi_revived ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:49:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rey is the last Jedi. Luke gets killed and then Rey joins forces with Kylo and they create a new breed of balanced force user, no more Sith, no more Jedi.
NihiloZero ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:24:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo will reveal to Rey how Luke decieved him and allowed him to become Snoke's apprentice. Kylo will turn to the light and together he and Rey will take down Luke. Snoke will likely die in the process, but he's irrelevant.
wicket42 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:44:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Imagine if this was a modern day Empire Strikes Back trailer and they put in Darth Vader saying โjoin me and together we can rule the galaxyโ. Would everyone be saying โomg Luke and darth vader team upโ?
ProteinStain ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 02:10:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FYI. Put a spoiler tag on this. Mods will ban for spoilers. Though, this is just a trailer. Still, just a warning.
semihat ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 04:35:16 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snoke is Luke's son. There was only one parent just like how Anakin was born.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 13:31:01 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except Shmi gave birth naturally, the conception was unnatural but apart from that everything was, Luke making himself pregnant is unnatural in every single way imaginable
Interested-Koala ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 13:47:14 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The dark side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be... unnatural...
iJezza ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:00:50 on October 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
.............is it possible to learn this power...?
Interested-Koala ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:08:01 on October 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not from a Jedi...
iJezza ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:11:50 on October 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
....
Interested-Koala ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:41:39 on October 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Palpatine thinks General Grievous is on Utapau?
RedstoneAsassin ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 09:44:32 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How the hell would Luke give birth to Snoke
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:03:12 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He used the midichlorians to create.....life
KarmaAmirite ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:40:38 on October 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They are the powerhouse of the cell
INTHEMIDSTOFLIONS ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:38:55 on October 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hahaha
assuser ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 10:11:33 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Through Midichlorians stupid
INTHEMIDSTOFLIONS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:39:28 on October 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They were in the original episode IV draft
assuser ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:44:03 on October 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
wat
INTHEMIDSTOFLIONS ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:08:18 on October 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Midichlorians were in the original scripts for Star Wars in 1977. George Lucas talks about it in the Empire of Dreams documentary.
INTHEMIDSTOFLIONS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:38:13 on October 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hahahah omg
clamsplitter69 ยท 187 points ยท Posted at 02:00:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Was there a big spoiler or no?
TheDuckHunt3r ยท 241 points ยท Posted at 02:00:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes..... yes there was. Holy fuck
theredditoro ยท 364 points ยท Posted at 02:01:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a fake.
9cents ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 02:02:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Has to be
TheDuckHunt3r ยท 89 points ยท Posted at 02:02:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe one of the two shown.
WhoTookPlasticJesus ยท 61 points ยท Posted at 02:05:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Both were fake, unless they made some major changes in post-production.
Amm-O-Matic ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 02:08:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly have no clue on what big spoiler you guys are talking about and Iโve watched it 3 times.
GluntMcFuggler ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:08:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Haha yeah me too
willmcavoy ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 02:08:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably Kylo kills Leia.
TOGHeinz ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:19:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Spoiler, I guess, about the trailer, on a post about the trailer..
Nuranon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:05:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Barefootin_Along ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:12:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh god I couldnโt handle that
deekaydubya ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:24:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo probably bitches out and Snoke pulls the trigger
mistamosh ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:15:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If Kylo kills Leia that would kill audiences across the world. Losing Carrie was rough on all us fans, having her get blown up and die in such an impersonal way would be too brutal.
coltsmetsfan614 ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 02:18:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But isn't that basically how it has to happen now with Carrie being gone?
Sniper_Brosef ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:20:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They can do the digital thing they did in Rogue One
ShouldersofGiants100 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:25:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They have already said that CGI and clip recycling for Episode 9 is off the table. If Leia is getting a send-off, they are doing it in this film. I think it would be better to have an impersonal one versus an off-screen one.
Which might have always been the plan anyways. They would never confirm whether she had anything for episode 9 because that would be a massive spoiler for 8.
mblokae ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:29:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No they canโt/wonโt. Theyโve said multiple times they will not be recreating her digitally for IX if Iโm not mistaken. Iโve been thinking since she died killing her via an explosion aboard a capital ship makes the most sense in a way, maybe right as Luke arrives to try and save the day after finally listening to Rey. But they also said they werenโt changing anything in this because of her death and she was meant to have a big part in IX so who knows what is happening.
Gyrro ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:31:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah they said they wouldn't do that out of respect.
thepipesarecall ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:57:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The digital thing they did in Rogue One was impressive technically, but it was completely immersion breaking for me, CGI is still not even close to being able to pass a real person.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:22:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tarkin looked way better than Leia, but yeah, you're totally right.
coltsmetsfan614 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:47:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought they already said they wouldn't be doing that? Maybe I misheard.
fonzanoon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:34:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They said they won't digitize her out of respect.
They're gonna use a rubber puppet!
Mozz_Sticks96 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:19:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean she's almost guaranteed to die in this movie right?
mistamosh ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:27:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea, but how she dies is a big factor. An impersonal death like that would be crushing. She's earned a better death than that.
eggsolo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:16:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would love to see her die to save him and that sacrifice spark his redemption.
Mozz_Sticks96 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:34:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, but how many other ways are there to do it? Kylo stabs another parent with a lightsaber? That's just trite. Unless we're gonna see a character have a dark side moment, the only person to kill her is Kylo (unless Snoke actually does something), and I really doubt the writers would make the death similar to Han's
mistamosh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:38:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think you're right, a death similar to Han's would really be too heavy-handed. I obviously have no idea what happens to her specifically, but I'd just hope for something much more personal. Give the Princess her moment, make it painful but respectful to her character.
Randommook ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:21:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actress is dead so they have to write her out of the story somehow. They can't exactly have her play a pivotal role in the story and if she was alive she would be too important too the story to not appear later. She 100% has to die in this movie.
mistamosh ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:24:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, but if Kylo kills her by whipping off a proton torpedo, that's now cool. It's not the death the Princess has earned.
char_limit_reached ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:59:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dying on the floor of a 747 while people around you gawk wasnโt the death Carrie Fisher earned in real life. Yet here we are.
mistamosh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:07:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In life we don't get to chose our moment to go, but on screen you can craft it to the way it should be.
ClutchCobra ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:05:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it could add to Kylo's coldheartedness as a character.. I agree though
Deadybears ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:28:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty convinced Luke is going to die as well. If both him and Leia die in this film I'm going to be devastated.
mistamosh ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:31:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh god don't say that! I'm imagining that Luke's end will actually be somewhat related to the old canon, his exact death was unknown because he had become an outcast and lived the rest of his life in solitude before finally becoming one with the force. I think in the 3rd of the sequel trilogy, he'll have a 'walking away' moment where he is forced to leave, with everyone knowing it will be the last time they see him.
Deadybears ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:32:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Now I'm really sad :(
mistamosh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:40:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was really sad in the old canon; devastating really. But it was the only fitting end to the last of an era, you know?
metanoia29 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:30:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And then Kylo converts Rey at the end.
I personally think both are red herrings.
AzrianHunter ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 02:12:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah know that's most definitely fake. For sure. I mean they're already filming ten ... they're jedi they cast her as ghost. /s /toosoon?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:20:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Assume you mean Episode 9, not 10 lol. And filming doesn't begin until January.
AzrianHunter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:24:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know what I said.
Velociman ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:08:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same lol
darkd3vilknight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same here sould someone pm me what your talking about
Static_Unit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:30:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me neither. And I'm perfectly happy with that
keithmac20 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:40:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Spoiler: Carrie Fischer is dead
TheEngine ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:07:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lHgbbM9pu4
SkillfulShade ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:03:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me thinks
cmath89 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:07:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They had the fake out with Finn and the lightsaber too.
CaterpillarsNight ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:16:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The one in the end us fake, the one in the middle isn't I think.
wings31 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:17:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a trap! (missed opportunity)
thekeesh1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:07:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even if it's a fake. There were plot points that shouldn't have been revealed. I love Star Wars but wish I hadn't watched it.
lac051 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:33:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure nearly all the plot points that were revealed were red herrings. Just like with force awakens.
dalr3th1n ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:41:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a faaaaake!
megatom0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:06:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The scene with Snoke and another person wasn't fake or a re-edit you see them in the same frame together. Even as someone who fallows Star Wars Leaks I hadn't even heard anything like that. So to me yeah that is a pretty big spoiler.
EC101 ยท 65 points ยท Posted at 02:02:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
fakeout like last time
Thor_2099 ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 02:04:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup, funny to see all the marks buying it. Misdirection folks!
DarkStar5758 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:11:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd laugh if it turns out to be a double bluff.
Cptcutter81 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:08:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If we're talking about the question scene at the end then there's somewhere in the region of a 0.2-0.5% chance that it plays out like that in the film. They're not going to put something that big in the trailer.
CTownKyle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:29:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's what they want you to think
zeekaran ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:15:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Last time?
EC101 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:27:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
everyone assumed finn was a jedi
zeekaran ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:15:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, I forgot about that.
DarthSunshine ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:19:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, what was the fakeout last time?
GoBucks13 ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 02:01:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
what? I didn't see anything that stood out as a spoiler
throwaway_for_keeps ยท 142 points ยท Posted at 02:05:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did you not see the Porg pick up the lightsaber and walk towards BB-8?
Scrubtanic ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:53:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but that happened in the EU so true fans were expecting it.
Guyote_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:19:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh shit
Frankocean2 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 02:05:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm with you. There were hints for spoilers but that doesnt mean they are true.
shmameron ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 02:02:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
.... Did we watch the same trailer?
Acheron13 ยท 144 points ยท Posted at 02:04:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did you think Finn was going to be the jedi after watching TFA trailer also? Very clear how a lot of the scenes shown in the trailer could have been cut together to be misleading.
ProteinStain ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 02:08:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My favorite thing from TFA was all the morons adamant that Fin was a Jedi just because he held a Saber. Lol.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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ShouldersofGiants100 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:27:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, he didn't. He said not to watch it, but only IF you want to go in completely clean. Absolutely nothing in this trailer was a major spoiler because devoid of context and with so much room for misdirection, none of this tells you anything that couldn't already have been guessed.
gotham_possum ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 02:04:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didnโt see any spoilers either.... itโs cut in a way that it could mean something else
GoBucks13 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:03:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
PM me?
j11430 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:05:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There was a pretty obvious cut that made it look like a main character was going to make a HUGE decision
shy247er ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:07:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
spoiler
GoBucks13 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:08:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't it cut to a different camera at that part? I think that is just clever editing to make it seem that way and its not actually happening.
Sailor_Gallifrey ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:12:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's Star Wars, I don't see why everyone is freaking out that they showed the hero being tempted to join the dark side. Especially when the seeds where already planted in TFA.
RunninRebs90 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:10:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That very obviously looked like 2 different scenes to me
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:09:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs a trap!
sophandros ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:07:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No scar in that scene...
Sailor_Gallifrey ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:11:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He had the scar but it wasn't as prominent because it didn't have the black over it. Although now that you mention it, that could mean it may be a dream/vision like Luke in the cave on Dagobah.
TheDangiestSlad ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:11:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the entire scar is there
SpaceWorld ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or vice versa. Not exactly vice versa, but I can't be arsed to use spoiler text.
sgtlobster06 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can you PM me what you saw? I must have missed it
heyyyyitsjimmybaby ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:08:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea i dont know what they are talking about, it was an obvious fake if they are talking about the end, when has star wars ever put in a real spoiler in a trailer?
bollschweiler24 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:06:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Spoiler
AK97u ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:22:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That was way too obvious, no way that happens.
bollschweiler24 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:29:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ya Neva know
Snf4le ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:29:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't you see Han Solo come back as a Sith?
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:08:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No there wasn't. You people are so gullible. They didn't explicitly reveal anything. There's always teaser ambiguous scenes in trailers like this.
bestrez ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:01:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe it flew by me, but what was it? PM if you can
ThePARZ ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 02:04:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know if everyone is on the same page but I was surprised we saw non-hologram Snoke
scroopy_nooperz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:26:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean there was a lego set with physical snoke it in, i'd have been more surprised if we didn't see him.
pizzaisperfection ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:03:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I wanna know. It seemed fine to me.
FN__2187 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:30:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the part with yung vader and his mommy
Njdevils11 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:31:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was strongly implied that Kylo is going to kill Leia. It was also implied that Kylo and Rey start working together. Rey is also definitely being held prisoner by snoke. Can't say which, if any, are misdirection, but if the Director is to be trusted one of those is probably the spoiler.
Mcfinley ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:04:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
same here
NickMoore30 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:15:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think people are freaking out about the spirit ghost Jabba the Hut.
20person ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:17:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think they're talking about the last part of the trailer.
madworld2713 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:16:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Theres no way they would reveal that big of twist. It has to be a fake out.
IveCeasedToExist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:47:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ITโS A TRAAAPP
chaosladdah ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:52:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs a trap
Danross657 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeahhhh slight regret for watching it but thankfully it was the only big one
Schkateboarda ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously wtf
probablyuntrue ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:02:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely a lot of small but notable spoilers imo
incachu ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:09:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One or two big potential moments. But trailers are full of misdirection. With a bit of overanalysis, im sure you'd find lots.
Single watch and don't watch TV spots next month and you'll be fine.
ihatecats18 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:03:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I saw 1
dalr3th1n ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:07:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hard to say how big. Definitely at least moderate spoilers.
JoeKool23 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:15:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
From a certain point of view.
Arctic_Ghost_SS ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:01:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't watch. Couple inferred spoilers
R0binSage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:15:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably a lot of misdirection. Two scene cut together to look like something else.
sean151 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:20:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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buck9000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:21:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There was a suggestion of a big story turn in one part.
enormuschwanzstucker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:22:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To me it was misdirection. They show shots that indicate one thing and dialogue to confuse you. It's all hype. Hell, things we think look real could just be dream sequences or visions.
CPATrapLord ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:25:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rey is going to kill Luke.
enormuschwanzstucker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:33:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
http://nooooooooooooooo.com
tempest_wing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:16:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup, it was all over too. On the floor, the ceiling...who's gonna clean this up I don't know. Spoilers all over.
TheMastersSkywalker ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 02:37:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everything I could catch in the trailer. Spoilers be aware!!
0:07 Snoke talking to maybe Kylo or maybe Rey
0:08 FO attack on crait
0:15 Kylo leading some troopers into a cave/base on crait. Looks like the sceen of Vader on hoth
0:18 Kylos saber looks better showing he is at least more trained it not more allied with the dark side
0:42 More jedi books and the burnt force tree
0:55 Luke has healthy skepticism of Rey's powers but is it because of something he did, Kylo did, or Snoke did?
0:57 Luke pulling himself out of a pile of wood and watching a temple burn 1:09 you can see some kind of new Nebulon-B type frigate that is skinnier and has a horizontal part off to the right.
You can also see what looks like a sleeker and newer version of the GR-75 Medium Transport and again at 1: 34 with a better view of them
At 1:09-1:10 you can see blaster bolts hitting the shields of the ship away from the hull and again at 1:11-1:12
Also at 1:10 is kylo with some kind of metal over his scar on his cheek
1:12 the new Mon Calamari Starship is fighting one of the first order dreadnaughts
1:15 The hangers on the Mon Cal ship are inside it with launch tubes running horizontally across the ship like missile tubes.
1:20 Kylo either shoots and goes to the dark or doesn't and goes to the light. (Considering we see them fleeing the ship later but Rey wanting to team up with him i think he doesn't take the shot but a wingman or another ship does. )
1:28 The falcon flying in a canyon (or underground) on a planet being chased by ties. Most likely Crait due to the red crystals
1:32 Porgs, they are like cuter Gizka
1:34 seem to be mon calamari escape pods. This could mean that the ship was blown up and they needed to evacuate it. OR those could be a smaller version of the GH-75 medium transports
1:37 Some sort of hyperdrive or afterburners in the back of poes fighter where the cargo compartment is. Also his fighter attacking the dreadnaught over crait
1:41 Phasma with force pike vs Fin with the executioners axe
1:47 Luke on the ground in the rain telling someone it wont go like they think. Could this be before the fight with the knights of ren?
1:48-50 Crystal foxes running to hide in the bunker and Leia staring out at the approaching FO forces
1:53 Rey emerging tired from a pool (after fighting the sea monster?) And finn looking sharp in FO dress uniforms.
1:55 Assualt on Crait with AT-M6, AT-AT, FO landers, and Ties. And the speeders takes out the ties
2:00 Snoke is creepy AF and possibly epic misdirection. But now we know snoke and Rey do meet.
2:10 Asking your
cousinmortal enemy for help. Though the lighting seems off to me (to stable on rey to be from the same fire behind kylo)I feel like their are a lot of fake outs in this trailer
_ILP_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:55:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is the analysis I was looking for...
tway2241 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:22:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe it's a T-85 x-wing? That's the top of the line one in this era, previous movie only show cases T-70s. I kinda doubt it though, the attachment appears to be gone in a later shot with the x-wing.
After the glorious one in Rogue One I'm so hyped for the space battle
BaldEagle88 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 02:05:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looks great. Y'all saying spoiler of course she's gonna die. She's dead in real life.
jhwj9617 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:48:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not many know this but when you die in Star Wars, you die irl
orvallemay ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 02:24:04 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
โWhen gone am I, the last of the Jedi you will be.โ -Yoda
the_fuego ยท 76 points ยท Posted at 02:35:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have a feeling. Not one that I've felt since...
I bet when Rey says "I need someone to show me my place in all this." Ewan McGregor will show up. Obi-wan is definitely connected to this.
UltramemesX ยท 129 points ยท Posted at 03:05:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
'two seconds after the line is spoken' 'Hello there'
Dallywack3r ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 03:10:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No two second delay. Immediately. Immediately he pops up from behind her, John Travolta style, and says it.
the2belo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:02:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aw, man, I shot Luke in the face.
Catacomb82 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:01:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
r/PrequelMemes get up on this karma opportunity
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:41:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Chimpbot ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:05:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It could also be Anakin as a Force ghost...
Wombat_H ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:37:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
lol what is this based on?
glswenson ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:40:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He recorded lines to mix with Alec Guinness' lines to form the word "Rey" during her vision in TFA. A lot of people theorize she might be his granddaughter.
MeatTornado25 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:52:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
he actually recorded a separate line. "Rey" was all Guinness.
glswenson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:52:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, really? I wasn't aware of that. I must have been mis-remembering the interview.
BobLoblaw33 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:04:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is what I understand, but could be wrong about it all.
"Rey" came from Guinness's "don't be afraid" to R2 in Ep. 4. "These are your first steps" was recorded new by McGregor.
the_fuego ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:48:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Part of it is when they went out of their way to have Ewan come in to do voice work for the vision in the first movie. Another is we still don't know how she is force sensitive or who her parents are, it is possible that Obi Wan got lonely while on Tattooine and had child and then grandchild. Obviously this is still speculation and we'll find out in the movie but search your feelings, you know it to be true.
Edit: Also I'll admit I'd really like to see McGregor in this film.
MeatTornado25 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:51:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
god i hope not
Wombat_H ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:54:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just think you should probably look up the word definitely again, hahaha.
shadow7786 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:42:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Plz and anni
bionix90 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:51:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well he is Rey's grandfather... I hope.
fortis359 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:31:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No I like the idea of her being lukes daughter better. It would just make way more sense.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 05:38:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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fortis359 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:40:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ummm.....yeah obviously.
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 02:50:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i want to see Luke be bad ass. Please can we see that?
goda90 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:38:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to feel the giddiness everyone felt in the theater when Yoda first pulled out a lightsaber in Episode 2. Then I want it to be awesome like when Vader pulled out his lightsaber in Rogue One.
WyattLayne11 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:40:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, Iโm honestly a little worried that the whole โraw powerโ lines are foreshadowing that Luke will be a bit underpowered compared to Rey and Kylo.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:12:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
he better fucking not be.
WyattLayne11 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 04:15:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm with you man. I want Luke to bust out the green lightsaber and be so powerful that itโs like a religious experience. It just seems theyโre going to put more emphasis on Rey and Kyloโs power.
glswenson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:42:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think they will do that, simply because there's no way they can make him live up to the insane power of Grandmaster Luke from the EU. The movie would be over in 30 seconds if he had that level of power. So instead of making him only a fraction of the power as he was in legends, it's easier to just make him the same level as he was in ROTJ and not fall short of expectations.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:43:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He does not have to be Grandmaster Luke from the EU. Just something you know the strongest jedi ever? beast lightsaber skills and force powers. He should be stronger and more knowledgeable about the force after 30+ years after ROTJ
glswenson ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:45:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I personally don't think he will have his lightsaber anymore. I think he's going to be force only, but I don't think he's going to be at an insane level of power like many people think. I think Snoke is going to wipe the floor with him using his force abilities.
NihiloZero ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:02:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At best... Snoke will be Luke's apprentice. More likely his unwitting pawn.
glswenson ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:04:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How would that be? We know that Palpatine was preparing for Snoke long before he knew about Luke.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:11:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
and he comes back stronger like goku in episode 9?
glswenson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:14:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Potentially. He'll return with a light side Kylo and fight Rey and Snoke, imo. I think he will die trying to bring Rey back to the light. I think there's a 0% chance that Luke survives the new trilogy.
ChewyIsMyC0Pil0t ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:43:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Would be pretty poetic if he died saving his daughter, just as his dad died saving him...
glswenson ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:47:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. It's like poetry. It rhymes.
NihiloZero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:01:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe not, but he'll have all the powers of Yoda and the Emperor combined. He's essentially taken a crash course with both of them and has a better understanding of the force than anyone. He'll be plenty powerful. He has been this whole time. He was behind all of the events that transpired in TFA.
glswenson ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:08:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think he was behind all of the events. I have a feeling Rey and Kylo will both be more powerful than Luke. Otherwise their characters have diminished importance in the series.
NihiloZero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:51:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke's whole plan could be to have them eventually kill him.
Poppinfr3sh ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 07:14:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Alternative theory - Rey and Kylo team up for a buddy cop comedy....in space! Marvel as these two unlikely detectives fight to take down Snokeโs deathstick empire and learn to trust each other on the way
CarterG4 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:31:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You wanna buy some death sticks?
Mackaf ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:02:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You want to go home and rethink your life
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:07:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let's keep them far, far away from this.
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 10:27:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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mrblaoblao27 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:41:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lies! Deceptions! Like in the trailer of Rogue One, only Bor Gullet will know the truth.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:30:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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mrblaoblao27 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:00:26 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know. I just wanted to quote Saw, because RO is in my top 3 SW
AtomicPunk ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 17:18:24 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Late to the party but donโt think this has been mentioned. Snoke doesnโt just say โI saw raw untamed power,โ etc, he says: โWhen I found you I saw raw untamed power...โ.
The when I found you portion implies an event that took place some time in the past, presumably the distant past. To me that favors he is talking to Ben. But it also implies that he discerned something about the person that others didnโt see, And while we donโt know the story of how Ben went to Snoke, the idea that he โfoundโ a promising student by cherry picking from Luke is sort of like an NFL scout patting himself on the back for โfindingโ a first round draft pick. Therefore the language seems to imply something deeper.
So I think heโs talking about Rey. And that he is talking about something long before. I think Snoke placed Rey on Tatooine as a child for reasons unclear, perhaps to toughen her resolve and self sufficiency. This would explain why she knows nothing about her family and why her family, whomever they were, would ditch a child on a hostile planet (they didnโt). I think this is why Kylo is so intrigued about the notion of Finnโs escape with an unknown female, that he knows something about a young girl left on Tatooine.
Finally I think Kyloโs anger over Snokes favor for Rey (as the one with more promise), will drive him to โkill the boyโ (to borrow a phrase) and assassinate Leah, a job he failed to do when he had the chance earlier in the movie.
CulDeSax ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:34:23 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good theory. I could see this being true.
Minor fix: Rey was left on Jakku.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:32:08 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like your Rey and Snoke theory a lot, to add onto it maybe Snoke is trying to recreate the circumstances that allowed Anakin to become so powerful. If Kylo knew of this plan it would explain his weird jealousy of Rey because he feels that the legacy of Vader belongs to him and not her.
CoffeeCannon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:03:48 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This made me go from disliking to liking this theory, props.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:34:18 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean Jakku ?
as for your point I agree, I think that many people are focusing too much on Kylo when it comes to what Snoke thinks/says
lordVader1138 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:04:27 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I see this as normal line. Only who is possibly aware about Rey being force sensitive is Luke, who was missing and out of action before his location is discovered. If Rey is such a untamed and powerful force, how come she left to die in Jakku, why not Snoke came straight to her and train her? Why Snoke, First Order and New Republic all are mad to find Luke, while a raw force user, who can possibly defeat Luke in a moment is at Jakku and Reydy to do anything you want for a little love, protection and family.
While it's strong implication that Rey is related to someone (Probably Luke) who is not Snoke. That someone is a part of Luke's Jedi academy and him/her having family , which is probably not a public information, or the person having his sons in the academy, and Rey being toddler is not ready for Academy (I don't think Luke following the same Jedi shit about getting young kids to train).
There must be a war between Luke and Snoke, destroying new Jedi Academy, Snoke having upper hand, getting a teenage Ben Solo under his training. In the war the older kids of that person is died and fearing about Rey, put her to a remote planet of Jakku.
Now IMO what Snoke was referring to her being found is about the events of Force Awakens. Because reasons stated above I don't think it's related to anything before Episode 7.
tweakoli ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:10:23 on October 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget, Bloodlines is 6yrs before TFA.
Ben is STILL training with Luke at this time, this plays weirdly into the timeline as this makes Ben's raw power useless. Things most likely go haywire with the senate announcement about Leia's heritage.
He has 6yrs to switch from Luke's tutelage to Snoke. As we see in TFA he is still massively raw. This could be due to him having his light/dark conflict not allowing him to fully tap his force potential but this is fairly weak plot mechanic.
jl2352 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:43:00 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of all the ditching Rey theories, this is the one that makes the most sense to me. If she died on the planet then she's not worthy of being Snoke's student. If she survives then she is toughened up.
I don't know how well that would come across to a generic audience though.
Kopfballer ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 13:02:50 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But wouldn't training under a Sith/Jedi Master be more effective and toughening than hanging out on a desert planet for 10+ years? Yes she survived but wasted a massive amount of time.
HagOWinter ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:53:19 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I recall correctly, in Legends a big portion of Sidious' training was Plagueis sticking him on inhospitable planets and beating him up to further his connection to the Dark Side.
AtomicPunk ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:30:44 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Plus it doesnโt explain why the falcon and that guy with the missing map piece also exist on that planet. Seems like that guys job was to keep watch over Rey. Or maybe it was to warn her or escape to Luke when snoke came looking? Who the hell knows?
Erj2969 ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 02:02:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh shit my dick out
Firespray ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 02:08:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
JUST FUCK MY SHIT UP DISNEY!
TezzMuffins ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 03:51:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can I just use this as a vehicle to mention how much of an emotional badass Luke is when compared to all other Star Wars characters? He lost his:
He turned to the fucking Dark Side and pulled HIMSELF right back.
And now Rey is like, "I want to know who I am" and is flirting with the dark side?
Luke, the Galaxy does not deserve you.
sponk246 ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 02:56:36 on October 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm calling this now, Kylo is gonna turn good, and Rey is gonna turn evil.
znk ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 05:18:41 on October 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo is going Chaotic Neutral and Rey will follow.
10TailBeast ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 03:18:34 on October 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think
KyloBen is stronger than Rey, if only he would stop fighting the pull to the light. It's his own inner conflict that is weakening him.How's this for a theory;
KyloBen is the mystery pilot of the Falcon in the trailer.Merengues_1945 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 08:13:39 on October 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This. I do believe he is besides Luke the strongest force user if he wasn't all the time constrained by his own doubts.
I can totally see him going the chaotic neutral type by the end of VIII
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:51:00 on October 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You and about 50 other people earlier than you in the thread. -_-
INTHEMIDSTOFLIONS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:28:20 on October 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've been saying this since TFA :)
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:16:21 on October 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Damn, this would be so cool
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[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 00:40:02 on October 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stop.
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NoName_2516 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 02:49:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure I like how Luke appears bewildered and amazed. He should be as wise and dignified as ol' Ben Kenobi by this time. Guess he never lost his boyish aw.
drodjan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:01:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like it. If he were wise and dignified like Ben then his character development would be complete. This means he will still be a dynamic character.
Codyw28 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:24:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He fears Reyโs power, very interesting
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 03:20:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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gyutop ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:21:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think that Rey could've been the one to blow up the temple as a kid, and that's why she'd been put in hiding, but Ben/Kylo does have the scar when he holds out his hand, unless that cut is a super misdirect too.
Hajikm-26 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:27:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unless they edited in that scar across his face thats no flashback. That said, the background does match the flashback. Hmm. Maybe they did edit in the scar to fool us.
Datsoon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:19:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno. In TFA it didnโt really seem like Kylo knew Reyโs power or knew Rey all, otherwise he wouldnโt have underestimated her.
If youโre right, it wouldnโt be the first inconsistency in the Star Wars universe, but I think under Disneyโs direction the movies will be more seamless than they have been in the past.
ultimatecaissie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:17:15 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He does.
"WHAT GIRL !"
and
"It really is you"
Were to points that confirmed to me Ren knew who she was all along.
assuser ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:06:54 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unconvinced. The second line isn't in the movie. The first line is probably what it appears to be on the surface, he's pissed off that his plans have been spoiled by some unknown entity. Later we see how much he resents it at the interrogation: "You, a scavenger". When she pulls the lightsaber away from him at the end he's nonplussed. Then offers to be her teacher. They haven't met in the past.
ultimatecaissie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:10:56 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The linr was cut from the movie. Present in the novels. Still counts
Datsoon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:30:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if Rey is some sort of clone sleeper cell force โnukeโ created by snoke and the empire. They never shared it with kylo, so heโs in the dark in TFA. This would fit with all the Luke clone theories floating around, and might explain why sheโs not sure of her place and why luke thinks sheโs some sort of untrainable abomination. Sheโs the product of some crazy bene gesserit style breeding program.
Stardust could be a reference to โfrom dust we came...โ because she doesnโt really have biological parents? I dunno.
mutually_awkward ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 18:11:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone who says it looks just like Empire Strikes Back have been waiting to say it no matter what the trailer was going to be.
KidTheCurry ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:00:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed.
ieatshotslike50 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 06:33:21 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Could like be talking about Vader when he says "I've only seen power like this once before" and not be referring to kylo?
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 13:30:02 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Could be referring to Snoke too
jdmgf5 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:47:32 on October 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Emperor dude.
Paul_of_Donald ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:08:35 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's how I took it. Vader was immensely powerful...
renegaade ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:56:30 on October 19, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's definitely talking about Anakin.
TomassTheTank ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:51:40 on October 21, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Palpatine. Reys daddy
ireditt ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 22:48:26 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm really surprised at how seldom Lor San Tekka [Max Von Sydow] is discussed. Heโs mentioned in the opening crawl, lives on the same planet as the main protagonist, and clearly has a past connection with the original characters.
Merengues_1945 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 08:15:22 on October 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably his story is being held close to the chest until VIII is released. After that we will probably see a flow of stories from the aftermath of the battle of Jakku and all of those involved.
footfoe ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:13:45 on October 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
well he dies right away, he's just a plot device to give the starmaps to Poe.
ireditt ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:49:01 on October 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hear you, but itโs doubtful that such an esteemed actor was cast [and referred to as an โold allyโ] just to be a disposable character.
spidermansfan ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:23:28 on October 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe he's snoke O_o ???
INTHEMIDSTOFLIONS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:29:32 on October 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No. Kylo is Snoke
mistrj13 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:20:40 on October 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The first line of The Force Awakens, the new trilogy, is uttered by him. "This will begin to make things right. I've traveled too far and seen too much to ignore the despair in the galaxy. Without the Jedi, there can be no balance in the Force."
Bolded the last part because I think it shows Luke is not going to be "gray" or believe that it's "time for the Jedi to end," or at least the story won't end that way. And I don't think it should.
blueindsm ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 02:22:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nothing showing Benicio Del Toro and nothing from Canto Bight.
TheHumanSpider ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 02:23:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kind of a good thing, don't want to see TOO much.
blueindsm ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:24:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed. Just making an observation.
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 12:32:21 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"I've seen this strength once before, It didn't scare me then but it does now"
We've already seen that Rey is a much more powerful force user than Kylo, what if they reveal that Rey was somehow behind the massacre of Luke's school and Kylo as a result turned to the dark side?
What a twist that would be
AmpdVodka ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:14:29 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But she's been on Jakku since she was a child. So that wouldn't really make sense. Unless she's some super force sensitive kid that can't control her extreme power, so Luke somehow wipes her memory and drops her on Jakku.... I don't know I can't see it
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:25:54 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I guess so. But the cracking in the ground around her could signify that lack of control. I dunno, I thought it might be cool if they pulled a switcharoo on us
sageleader ยท 87 points ยท Posted at 02:17:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude that John Williams music is so good. It's different than star wars but still so star wars.
biosloth ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 03:56:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The trailers usually don't use Williams' music.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:48:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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biosloth ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 05:03:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's stuff made for the trailer based on williams' work
sageleader ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:33:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well some of it was definitely his. Either way I'm pumped for his score
ehrgeiz91 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 05:24:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most of it was generic trailer fare.
Gaffsgvdhdgdvh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:33:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have you noticed the imperial march when ray appears?!!
sageleader ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:53:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't, I'll need to rewatch. I'm pretty sure none of the music in the trailer is ever the actual music that goes with that scene in the movie. I know they are trying to evoke a feeling though but honestly I think it's all misdirection.
tomdec1 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 02:00:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Damn that's pretty cool
Chipman94 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:28:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, yes it is my friend.
jeffislearning ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 03:38:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm going to think about this trailer while I'm having sex with my wife tonight.
IndustrialJones ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 03:58:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm going to think about you having sex with your wife while I watch this trailer tonight.
femoid_protector ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 05:26:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gonna think about your wife while I'm having sex with this trailer tonight.
Bexirt ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:56:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
holy fuck
FoUfCfK ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 02:09:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty clear they're being clever with the editing of some dialogue and scenes in this trailer.
AiryAndreGrande ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 02:28:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Canโt wait to read the 1000 page essay of the trailer, broken down frame by frame
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:33:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bloggers worldwide are literally typing as we speak
gotmaps ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:32:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Theyโre hard at work. The bigger question - who will get their analysis out there first, for the hot karma grab?
doorkn00b ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 03:56:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"I'll try spinning, that's a good trick!"
~Kylo Ren
meinkitty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:22:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's like a poem...
SmokingBun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:52:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I desperately want to hear Adam Driver say that deadpan and completely seriously
footfoe ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 01:56:05 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Calling it now. That space battle with Kylo hesitating to destroy the rebel ship with leia on the bridge is the opening sequence of the movie.
You see the rings from the old rebel base in the background, Kylo's scar looks 'fresher' than in other shots. That makes me think it's near the beginning. Then there is the tradition to always make the first shot of a starwars film be a spaceship. put two and two together.
sabre21asdf ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 02:45:08 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hes got that carbon fibre face, adds 20 hp
hammuhshloggin88 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:21:06 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
this made my day.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 22:49:57 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if Luke and Snoke established the Jedi academy together. And Snoke secretly turned Kylo who in turn recruited his knights. And Luke found Rey and knew she was too powerful to train in fear of her turning to the dark side so he hid her after Kylo destroyed the temple?
I feel the scene of Rey being tortured by Snoke is actually just a dream like Luke had with Vader on Degobah.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:25:59 on November 3, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's far too clever for this franchise at this point.
MasterOfNoMercy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:35 on October 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or Rey having a dream when she went into that dark place on the island.
KingMandingo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:57:25 on October 19, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It would explain why Snoke is so badly burn't. If the Jedi temple was burned down, perhaps Snoke was caught in the crossfire, hence his disfigurement?
VolusPizzaGuy ยท 172 points ยท Posted at 02:13:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here's my take. Luke either leaves or dies. Rey joins Kylo at the end off a cliffhanger; but in Episode 9, it's revealed that they end up both achieving equilibrium in the Force. No more Light/Dark, no more Jedi/Sith. Rey learns the Dark through Kylo, and Kylo re-gains his sense of the Light from Rey. They both become neither Sith or Jedi and result in the defeat of Snoke.
koleye ยท 63 points ยท Posted at 02:47:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't like it. I like the eternal back and forth between the Sith and the Jedi, complete with their own ideology and mythos.
VolusPizzaGuy ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 02:49:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean that's completely fair. A big part of Star Wars is the dichotomy between good and evil. I just see this as a potential way they're bringing the story together as "The Last Jedi" suggests.
Snaxx11 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 03:06:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think thats where this is all headed. Just to make force users ambiguous. Jj stressed before force awakens that kylo and snoke arent sith. I could see luke delving deeper into jedi teachings searching for before jedi existed. Rogue one gave more evidence by focusing on the whills. The city of jedah. I want more grey jedi. Its what anakin shoukd have been all along and im mad lukes original temple wasnt that way. The strict teachings were the main downfall of the jedi.
deltaWhiskey91L ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:09:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well the ambiguity between good and evil certainly is becoming more culturally relevant.
OnthefarWind ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:23:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also Disney doesn't like it, because they have 20 more star wars movies planned.
ravens52 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:25:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The force works in mysterious ways. It will eventually swing back and forth once it has become balance so that it can become unbalanced again and look for new force sensitive beings to sway one way or another.
Phillip-_J_-Fry ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:31:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are no sith anymore though. It's been confirmed multiple times that Kylo and Snoke are not sith
koleye ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:43:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo and Snoke are as Sith as Starkiller Base is a Death Star.
TFA was a soft reboot. Snoke and Kylo are the budget versions of the Emperor and Vader. They're Sith in all but name.
md11086 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:18:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like this
mistrj13 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:06:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure because Kylo definitely killed a ton of people in his pursuit of power, he's definitely the villain of this trilogy. To end it with them walking away hand-in-hand with no consequences, and simply becoming "enlightened" in regards to the Force, seems anti-climactic IMO.
VolusPizzaGuy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:08:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm, you raise a very good point. Perhaps Kylo does end up dying? I can totally see something happening to him that he must face now that you pointed that out.
mistrj13 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:47:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I can see that, like he helps Rey establish this new way of seeing the Force that doesn't involve Sith/Jedi and Light/Dark, but he has to pay somehow.
Although I have to say that I don't actually want that to happen. I love the Jedi and I think they are core to Star Wars. The first line of The Force Awakens is about how there can be no balance in the Force without the Jedi.
NihiloZero ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:39:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Star Wars is all about misdirection with good guys turning into bad guys and bad guys turning into good guys. Kylo will be one of the primary heroes in episode IX and Luke will be the primary villain.
ReD90000 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:48:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Found George Lucas Reddit account
Codyw28 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:04:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Username... Doesnโt check out
ReD90000 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:07:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everybody loves pizza..
ScarOf94 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:10:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I bet the movie ends with Kylo reaching out to Rey and itโs seen from a lengthy helicopter shot before it cuts to credits.
jimmyrhall ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:11:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My theory goes along with yours.
Theory: those shots with Kylo supposedly about to kill Leia are done the beginning of the movie. Not far from the destruction of Starkiller base. Kylo is raging pissed. So much so that he is gunning for his mom maybe a couple days from slaying his old man. He lines up for the shot BUT Leia using he force telepathy talks with Kylo and has him pull back. Heโs torn between good and evil. All movie itโs about him dealing with the light and dark until he turns on Snoke. Rey also turns from Luke and the two band together to take out Snoke in part three... or nine.
matty25 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:42:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No grey Jedi stuff. Keep it Good vs. Evil pls.
NihiloZero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:40:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke will think of himself as being gray but will actually just be evil.
a_toy_soldier ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:10:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can easily see the reason why he has been away for so long is because he can't control his powers anymore.
What if Luke was to end Snoke? I wonder how the balance of the force would feel then.
Dallywack3r ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:08:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is no way Kylo and Rey just revert to True Neutral. That effectively neuters any future conflict in the series, and if you donโt think Disney will stretch this out until Episode 15, youโre crazy.
lMarshl ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:21:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There always has to be a light and dark side. They can remove jedis and siths, but there must always be a light and dark side.
VolusPizzaGuy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:23:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There still is. It's not that you remove them, it's that they learn to draw from both. Perhaps Kylo still remains a villain in the sense that it's not so much that they forever become friends, but they only come together to defeat Snoke after some revelation. Once that's over, they both become "grey" Force users, but their paths diverge to once again create a central conflict.
lMarshl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:28:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ya I think that's where it's going. Mace windu was the OG
VolusPizzaGuy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:37:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's precisely what I was thinking about. Purple lightsabers coming our way?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:37:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I dig this.
tyl3r850 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:48:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The real spoiler's always in the comments
Tater_Hater2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:52:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like it.
TheOnlyMonty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:13:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wherever there is light, a shadow is cast.
BeanAlai ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:15:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seems likely. Kylo is still sympathetic enough to believe it.
maverick1470 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:18:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That sounds like a Disney mov... Oh god
surfwax584 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:20:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll bet you two slaves this doesn't happen
Ambiverticle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:26:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://youtu.be/-ZrrWj_y3Mc
Rezm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:55:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So....Star Wars 4,5,6
thirstyshrutebaby ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:56:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But do Poe and Finn end up together?
NihiloZero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:36:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo learns the truth about Vader at the same time he learns that Luke caused him to become Snoke's apprentice. The will probably happen as he confronts and destroys Snoke. He then learns that Luke is also trying to turn Rey and so he saves her. Finn is probably some sort of Manchurian candidate and either he or Luke will be the one responsible for killing Leia. Kylo will probably be trying to stop that from happening but fail --- and then Rey will prevent him from turning back to the dark side. Then, in epsisode VIII, Rey and Kylo will be trying to stop Luke Skywalker from destroying damn near everything in the galaxy.
Magnavis_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:19:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
and they all live happily ever after....on a farm. Probably..
phantom_lancer_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:44:04 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Remember anikens blood was supposed to bring balance in the force.and eventually his grandkids do it? Though I don't think they would let Kylo live in the end. After doing what he did to Han Solo and Leia. It wouldn't make sense to make that guy the hero in a Disney movie.
orkoorco ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:41:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hate you. This makes WAY too much sense.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 02:29:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The scene with Kylo and Leia is 100% misdirection, IMO. There's no way that, in the middle of a space battle, people would just be casually walking around the ship's bridge.
AgentDink ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 04:43:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The color palettes of the scenes in this film look incredible.
mitchewith2ls ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 12:53:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finn vs Phasma - Traitor 2: Electric Boogaloo
AuburnJunky ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:29:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That Porg is the key to everything. He is the one to bring balance to the force. He is the prince that was promised.
Wait.
Negawattz ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:49:32 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm one with the hype and the hype is with me.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 03:55:13 on October 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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CptAustus ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 23:53:02 on October 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everybody knows Poe x Finn is going to happen.
Water_Glass_ ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:54:08 on October 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
OTP tbh
TomassTheTank ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 13:39:15 on October 21, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Poe and Finn.
christx30 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:45:45 on November 3, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
With that look Poe gave to Finn in the jacket? Yeah. It's as subtle as the sun.
Desecr8or ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:17:17 on October 19, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rian says romance won't be a big deal in this movie so I'm betting Finn/Rose or Finn/Rey.
INTHEMIDSTOFLIONS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:23:34 on October 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There isn't one
GeneralDegenerate ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 23:02:26 on October 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke has seen this power once before - in Rey. It's why she was exiled to Jakku to protect the galaxy after she, not Kylo Ren destroyed Luke's Jedi order. She didn't do out of evil, but untamed raw power that he couldn't control. She'll find out Luke abandoned her and feel conflicted and flirt with the Darkside through Kylo
cgo255 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:50:16 on December 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
WRONG
Superiorform ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:09:42 on December 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
oof
Sauronmordor756 ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 02:00:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is where the fun begins
baberg ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:17:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep.
bionix90 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:19:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll try spinning - that's a good trick!
wrex779 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:40:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Game time started
MostlyLurking480p ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:32:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
SPOILERS IN AN OPEN THREAD, PADAWAN!!!
Bexirt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:54:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
DO IT
studio_sally ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 02:00:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The hype is strong with this one.
c0rtexj4ckal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:21:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I won't be properly psyched until I can eat TLJ branded macaroni (in the shape of those stupid little Groot-hamsters), out of a TLJ branded bowl, with a TLJ branded spoon, on a TLJ placemat, and clean myself up with TLJ branded napkins, and wash it down wtih TLJ branded milk, that I all purchased at Walmart.
CptCreosote ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 08:06:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe Snoke is talking to Rey at the start, not Kylo. It was he who left her on Jakku until he could train her.
My thoughts:
Kylo turns good
Rey is confused. Rey gets captured by Snoke while they battle on Ach To.
Kylo and Luke work to rescue Rey.
Kylo doesn't kill his mother, someone else does while he hesitates. He rages against Snoke, the First Order, and rescues Rey in the process. Luke dies somehow. Kylo and Rey are now a team, they are The Last Jedi. Cue Episode 9 finale.
RomuRaf ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:24:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not a bad one this. I don't think Luke will die, but we'll see. I like your story haha. Honestly, the bit where Kylo is fighting his inner demons over killing his mother was the one strong point of this trailer and it felt to me already stronger than Han's scene. We can't know however if that footage is even from the same scene, but anyway.
[deleted] ยท 78 points ยท Posted at 02:01:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
NO ONE'S GONNA SEE THIS. IM STRAIGHT
jonnybanana88 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:20:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait until your father hears about this!
the2belo ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:12:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We're here to support you
robbo4025 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 02:12:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
God will see it
KoopalingArmy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:11:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Spoiler alert!
notsurewhatiam ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:21:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As it should be
ToasterToasts ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:30:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm getting the belt
jared0387 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:14:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm happy that youโve come to terms with it, buddy.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:50:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Disney are always watching dude...
shadow7786 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:27:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo:'s account found
NothingWasTheGrain ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:22:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody going to talk about the music? Holy shit whatever music that was better be in the movie because ~goosebumps~
Exile714 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:24:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Usually they have someone come in and create their own cues for the trailers. The music from the Force Awakens trailer wasnโt in that movie, either.
Riitasointi1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:01:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry man but that is definitely not going to be in the movie. That is generic trailer music, whereas the John Williams soundtrack symphonies are something entirely different
mistrj13 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 23:52:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
New idea regarding Luke and Rey based off the trailer: Rey is going through her own version of the Cave of Evil.
Her "raw power" and abilities make her eager to go face Kylo Ren and the First Order, and she feels Luke is taking far too long to train her and is annoyed with his pessimism. After constantly pushing Luke, she is to go experience the "Cave of Evil" and she feels ready to slay whatever is in there, taking her lightsaber with her, and Luke, frustratingly seeing himself in her goes, "This isn't going to go the way you think."
In the cave, Rey sees visions of how Ben destroyed the Jedi, left Luke for dead, and possibly even faces Snoke, only to learn that she is not even close to being ready to fight (much like Luke's own experience in ESB). Everything we've seen in the trailer that seemingly has to do with the main plot is actually a vision in the cave, with Rey realizing that she needs someone to "show her her place in all this," hopefully meaning Luke.
Which means we've actually learned nothing about the plot of the film. We've simply seen how Rey learns of Luke and Kylo's history. Imagine if they cut a trailer for The Force Awakens, but only used clips from Rey's vision after touching the lightsaber. Same idea here.
moneytrain94 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:20:51 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like this, but can you imagine how hard people are going to bitch and moan about TLJ being an ESB rehash if that's what happens? Even if the other 90% of the movie is COMPLETELY different, you know there will be people saying it's too similar.
gasgiant405 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 00:56:47 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reddit's army of amateur film buffs will bitch and moan about it regardless. It'll be too much like ESB, or not enough. Whatever twist is there will be too obvious, or too out of left field. There's no pleasing the "I took screenwriting 101 and now make my own amateur films in my spare time," crowd.
moneytrain94 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:11:34 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Haha amen to that.
fasnoosh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:49:29 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting theory. I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE THIS MOVIE
RomuRaf ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:53:21 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In a way I hope so. On the other hand, "it was all a vision" would be the crappiest tease in a long time (Rey not facing Snoke etc)...
NilsTillander ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 06:48:54 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Watched it again today, and I realized that when Luke says that he has only seen such raw power before and he wasn't scared then, he might be talking about the Emperor. He was quite careless then, and it would make sense that he wants to be careful this time. Rey Palpatine?
Mrpoedameron ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:19:28 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think he's definitely talking about Kylo. As soon as he says it, it cuts to Luke's hand clawing out of what is presumably the debris of the Jedi Temple after Kylo massacred them.
NilsTillander ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:21:20 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Misdirection!
Mrpoedameron ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:36:01 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
lol I was literally going to add a further paragraph about how it wouldn't make sense for it to be misdirection but decided against it. Well here it is!
It wouldn't make sense for it to be misdirection because we know objectively for a fact, that Kylo Ren destroyed the new Jedi Order. There is nothing to misdirect. He's seen raw power before, it didn't scare him but it does now because he suffered the consequences. He didn't see 'raw power' in the Emperor - the Emperor was a Sith Lord. His power was not 'raw' - it was mastered.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:00:11 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There was some clear misdirection. Like when Rey asks for guidance, the next shot is Kylo holding out his hand. That is clearly not the same scene. There is a dark area behind Rey and when she speaks, there seems like a hint of an echo, as if she is talking in a cave. Next shot of Kylo is clearly outside in a lava setting where there would be no echo.
She's likely talking to Luke in that scene, and Kylo is holding his hand out to (likely) Phasma... it looks like a planet is falling apart behind him, and as Phasma is in this one, there needs to be some kind of explanation as to how she escaped the planet she was on being destroyed.
Great trailer. Clever misdirection.
CptAustus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:55:03 on October 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hardly any scar on Ben's face for him to be rescuing Phasma from Starkiller base though. But I do like the idea.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:50 on October 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True.... good point.
Hellfalcon ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:06:57 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I figured that was him speaking to Rey about Kylo for sure. but Rey palpatine has been my favorite theory about her since day 1, since it switches the sides of the skywalkers and palpatines and would explain her power but his hesitance after what happened Kylo
hammuhshloggin88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:19:00 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
now this is a thought that hadn't occurred to me. that would be a great way to tie the trilogies together since TFA really didn't do that beyond aesthetics.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 22:12:27 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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jonkenobi ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:07:12 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well Lupita Nyongโo (sp?) is credited in the poster, so maybe we will get that answer.
deekaydubya ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:34:40 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are pics of her filming for TLJ
JJ3595 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:00:55 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I kind of doubt we're ever getting that answered, maybe in a comic book or something.
WorkplaceWatcher ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:41:45 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That was one of my favorite parts. "A good question for another time." So mysterious and lampshading. I loved it.
True_Helios ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:06:41 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or, you know... lazy writing.
footfoe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:48:56 on October 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maz is a red haring. He'll have an extremely minor role going forward or none at all.
Mystranite ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:35:53 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If we get to see Kylo's redemption in this movie, I think it'll be cool if we saw it visually first before realising what it means; for example Kylo purifies the kyber crystal powering his lightsaber and it turns from red to a different colour, maybe white or even grey when he activates it.
According to the Star Wars wikia, "Purify was a Force power which allowed the user to remove the taint of the Dark Side of the Force from lightsaber crystals. A telltale sign of purify being used is if any Sith lightsaber crystals drew out a white blade instead of the usual red blade, due to the red lightsaber blade being a result of the crystals being made to "bleed" by the Dark Side. Ahsoka Tano utilized them on the Sixth Brother's kyber crystals during an encounter with him, harmonizing them into working for her."
UberMcwinsauce ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:51:57 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it would be clear very quickly if his lightsaber was suddenly white
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:23:09 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Shinto_P ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:08:22 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's something they changed as well. They don't use synthetic crystals anymore. They make them bleed with their emotions. So it would be possible that he heals his crystal somehow with his new force alignment but I guess we wont see it happen anyway.
pas011 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 07:36:41 on October 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The story of how the lightsaber got from Cloud city to Maz is still bugging me.
krantpapier ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 11:33:07 on October 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I wouldn't be surprised if we never get an answer to that question
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:24:07 on October 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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pas011 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:27:46 on October 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought the solo movie is set before the original trilogy?
Sugardaddyxoxo6 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:54:43 on December 6, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Am i the only one who was never bothered by this? iv always just reasoned it in my head that it wouldn't be uncommon for people to collect artifacts of history. Perhaps Maz just went looking for it. After all, even finn from the first order seemed to know of Luke SKywalker and Han solo
TomassTheTank ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:38:40 on October 21, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The wind blew it....
PM_IF_YOU_THICC ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 02:02:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
THOSE SNOW WOLF THINGS OMG WTF
fasnoosh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:47:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
IT'S HIM
darkmood ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:39:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I like the new Wampa.
BarkDog3 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 05:47:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cam Newton after seeing this trailer: "It's funny to hear a female talk about the force"
VTKajin ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 20:44:18 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The fucking music in this trailer is amazing.
SegundaMortem ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:05:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did Palpatine say fulfill your destiny?
SullivantheBoss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:11:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think every Star Wars villain has said that line before
Bexirt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:55:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
TheWindWaker01 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:09:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Awesome music:
pericles123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:13:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the music from the last 2 movie trailers was equally awesome but then not on the soundtracks, very big let-down!
Riitasointi1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:04:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is a big difference between trailer music and the actual scores. John Williams has nothing to do with these trailers
pericles123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:53:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know - simply pointing out that the trailer music for the 3 most recent SW films has been amazing, much better than the 2 soundtracks.
Riitasointi1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:45:41 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry to hear that. I would say the trailer music and actual scores serve different purposes and are fundamentally different when it comes to style. I like the trailer pieces too, but the intricate scores with their many moments and styles are artistically simply on another level
venom316 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:41:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Jedi Steps is my favorite Star Wars music I've heard since Across the Stars
BlackstarDweller ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:10:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did Chewie look cgi to anyone else? Something looked odd.
Pat_RedHawk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:28:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i think it was his eyes. In the previous movies it was purely a mask with no touch ups so the actors eyes were recessed into the mask, here it looks like theyre where his eyes actually should be.
OneFunkeeMunkee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe just touch-ups, similar to Deadpool.
Druz1 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:26:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How anyone can't see that this trailer is full of misdirection is beyond me. As if they would go and give away 90% of the plot in a trailer.
masoe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:31:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's why it was so good.
Zode ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:25:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am not ashamed to admit that I love porgs. Fight me.
Thor_2099 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:35:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same.
Bexirt ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:59:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I fucking love porgs
cute af
NotForYourStereo ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 05:02:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo isn't gonna take that shot, but either one of his escorts or the bigger ships will, courtesy of orders from Hux/Phasma/Snoke, this is what's going to break him and start him questioning his loyalty to the First Order and Snoke. Rey isn't going to turn, it's gonna be Kylo, and he'll become her mentor, which leads me to believe Luke is gonna die. He'll literally be the last Jedi, Kylo and Rey are gonna become "grey" Jedi, likely using schools from both sects of the Force.
Just a couple other observations:
Poe's boosted X-Wing is probably the thing I'm most excited for, I already know that sequence is gonna be incredible.
Finn becomes TR-8R, nice twist.
Dreadnought at 1:44, looks pretty daunting. You can also just barely see the Supremacy at 1:33.
Snoke confirmed Human?
autobahnmessiah ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 07:45:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Chewbacca has a pokรฉmon!
Kopfballer ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 10:26:48 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No frame by frame review of the Trailer yet? I'm a bit disappointed, Game of Thrones trailers usually have this after one hour.
"This is not going to go the way you think" - What do you think Luke means by this? Seems like he is fighting someone, only can be Rey?
There is one scene were I think a Battlecruiser gets oneshotted... does the First Order have a new superweapon? Maybe this time not one single super big weapon like the Deathstar or Starkiller, but instead something smaller but in higher quantity?
Snoke: It's clearly a old white male humanoid which cuts out the theories about Mace Windu, Rey, Darth Plagueis or most other Ancient non-human Sithlord. Also he doesn't seem like a higher being like people thought he could be something like the Dark Side incarnate. If it would be Palpatine then we probably wouldn't see his face because it doesn't look anything like him and instead would see him wearing a hood or mask. We also see officially now that he is a force-user... which is quite interesting as he seems to be older than Luke or at least same age which means he had to be around during the Original Trilogy... but Yoda, Obiwan, Luke, Vader and Sidious were quite sure that they (+Leia) are the only remaining force-users. Were did he get his knowledge from if neither from Obiwan/Yoda nor Sidious?
Could he really be a clone? His injuries and deformations don't look like something you get because you get shot, burned or whatever, rather looks like his body just didn't develop fully... maybe some experiment by Palpatine to create the perfect force-user who could be his apprentice after vader, which got abandoned for some reason and the result (Snoke) was killed/deposed but the force was so strong in him to survive.
stephensplinter ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:18:33 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
one of the pics of snoke shows him with the same 6 ridge forehead palpatine/siddious had in ROTS. he is missing a few of the ridges due to damage to face.
Hellfalcon ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:02:20 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
hes healed since FA too, his mouth isn't curled and twisted, his face and head scars are smaller, either hes regenerating using similar tech to Kylos scar healer or hes force draining folk.
Stalemate9 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:37:25 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are multiple trailer breakdowns on youtube.
Mr Sunday Movies
Stupendous Wave
Star Wars Explained
Hello Greedo
etc
jessiegautreau ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:08:41 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jeremy Jahns reaction is pretty great
Stalemate9 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:18:23 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks I'll check it out
cpillarie ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:37:18 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Angry Joe just uploaded his breakdown as well
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:26:07 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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tauerlund ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:25:57 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Plagueis is isn't an alien anymore, as the novel isn't canon. Not saying he is, but there's nothing standing in the way of Snoke being Plagueis.
AmpdVodka ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 13:08:09 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Theory: I think Luke realises how powerful Rey is and refuses to train her, fearing she may turn to the dark side. She ends up confronting Kylo again, and due to being abandoned by Luke she is now lost and although she knows she's integral somehow due to the vaders lightsaber "choosing" her, she doesn't know "where she fits in all of this". Kylo, realising in TFA she could be a great ally senses this confusion within her and uses it to try and recruit her. In a scene similar to ROTJ, he takes her to Snoke to complete her training. Snoke then tortures her for whatever reason (she may have a change of heart and refuse to join him, again akin to Luke resisting the Emporer in ROTJ. Or, as the popular theory is he may be sucking the force out of her to rebuild his power obviously causing her a lot of pain). It might be at this point, since I think Kylo definitely kills Leia, he may have a change of heart (Vader in ROTJ) and decide to help Rey escape the clutches of Snoke, maybe sacrificing himself in the process (probably not as he's a main character, but they did kill off Han). I think it could go multiple ways, but something along these lines is a safe bet I think
sooobueno16 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 13:42:25 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree that Rey will turn to Kylo and that Snoke is going to test her through torture to see if she can handle the dark side/turn her. I think Snoke is going to stick to the rule of two and sorta cast Kylo aside once his training is complete to lead the Knights of Ren and just take Rey as his apprentice. This leads Kylo to feel doubtful of where he lies in all of this, so starts to play with the idea of returning to his mother's side and trying to bring Rey back to fight Snoke under Luke.
Still have a feeling that Kylo destroyed Luke's academy. Weird thing is that Luke didn't seem to be there due to Rey's vision from the lightsaber. Going off of that, maybe the reason he wasn't at the academy is because he was training another padawan at a nearby location. I think that padawan was Rey. Luke sensed something was going down at the academy, so told Rey to stay hidden at the location they were at so he could see what was happening. He arrived too late to save anyone but saw Ben Solo leaving the area/found a clue linking him to the massacre. He realizes all is lost and leaves the academy to return to Rey. Realizing that the way of the Jedi may be dead: he puts Rey on Jakku to keep her far away from the growing First Order but also close enough for Lor San Tekka to keep an eye on.
Thing is how Rey most likely doesn't remember any of that or how Lor San Tekka doesn't tell Poe "hey, I've been keeping an eye on this girl for Luke, so you should probably scoop her on your way back to the Resistance". I'm also not sure of when the Academy was destroyed or how long Luke has been in exile.
WISCOrear ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:41:24 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is the most legit theory i've seen. I could also see that this is revealed to Rey somehow, and she is insulted/upset by this, which causes some sort of strife between her and luke, perhaps making her explore the other side/Kylo.
sooobueno16 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:12:41 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can definitely get behind that. However, I just realized that when they meet Han and Chewie, Rey and Finn thought the Jedi were a myth. The only way my theory works is if Rey somehow had her memory wiped between when Luke abandons her on Jakku and when she comes across BB-8.
The other weird thing is how Kylo Ren reacts when the First Order officer tells him about 'the girl' that escaped with Finn and BB-8. If he didn't have any idea who she could be, he wouldn't really care. His reaction is sorta telling in that he reacts with an elevated curiosity. But whenever they come face to face, he doesn't hint at knowing who she is unless he's trying to conceal their relationship. That's a stretch because even she doesn't even recognize who he is when she sees him without his mask.
WISCOrear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:44:28 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can see her memory wiped via the force, it could also be a way to explain her visions she had when touching Anakin/Luke's lightsaber in TFA (some sort of Force-related side effect)
If I recall, Rey also had a small reaction when Kylo took his mask off during the interrogation scene. Either it's her just being frightened seeing his face for the first time, or maybe she's wracking her memory because she saw a familiar face but can't put a name on it.
Maybe the memory wipe is very inexact or incomplete, so certain things she kind of remembers.
sooobueno16 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:46:20 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yea it does look like she goes into a deep thought there. I also don't know what the limitations are of doing a memory wipe from such a distance, but maybe Luke learned that power while he was in exile.
Someone recently pointed out to me that Leia went straight to Rey when they arrived at the Resistance base after destroying Starkiller. It was interesting to rewatch it and see that Leia sorta goes right past Chewie, given what happened to Han, to embrace the girl she seemingly had never met or seen before. Maybe Leia also feels the force in Rey and recognized her as her niece.
Shinto_P ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:01:51 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well she was pretty young. I guess it's possible that she just locked those memorys away. Of course she was really gifted in those flying scenes and the force helped her, but as soon as she touched the saber and faced Kylo she began to feel and use the force as if she already did that before. It might not be that complicated that her memory was wiped but just a natural reaction to just ignore the past. Who knows what all those scenes ment in her vision.
Still thinking about why Kylo saved Rey in that dark heavy rain. Maybe she got hurt there, lost her memory and Kylo had a special relationship with her and was furious to see her get hurt. It could be so many different things and that's what I like. I don't know where it's going ^
ProdigalTrev ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:02:25 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mental gymnastics much?
WISCOrear ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:13:26 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yeah, fuck me for speculating, right.
ProdigalTrev ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:22:13 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right
lordVader1138 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:13:16 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well that draws a lot of parallels of ESB.
Does that mean Benitio Del Toro's character having parallels with Boba Fett's and Snoke orders him to find out Poe and Kill him??
AmpdVodka ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:59:28 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know if they'll go fully with ESB like they did with TFA and ANH. I think we'll see parallels but they'll go with a different route storyline wise... Who knows
CoffeeCannon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:07:53 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It would make sense and be really fun if we get:
-TFA: insane amounts of parallels to the OT, and ANH specifically.
-TLJ: a good amount of parallels to Empire, but diverging story/plot and key differences.
-3rd film: Few callbacks outside of characters and general themes and completely different direction story/plot wise.
subslut245 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:15:15 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly think this is the way they'll go. If they just do a TFA on every episode it'll just be known the original trilogy remake with no originality. But they want to include all the fan service, so they'll probably divert away film by film while still keeping in references and parallels
bjacks12 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:19:27 on October 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think Kylo doesn't end up killing Leia, but somebody else under him will do it. He'll be tortured and reprimanded by Snoke and that will catalyze his redemption arc
AmpdVodka ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:36:44 on October 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe Hux will do it? Maybe Kylo will have a change of heart in the scene we see in trailer, and will refuse to do it. Then we see a shot of Hux watching this from the Command of a FO Star Destroyer, and he smiles as he orders the crew to fire at that weak spot, destroying the ship. He smiles because he can deal a crushing blow to Kylo, while being able to report back to Snoke that Kylo couldn't do it and he had too instead. We see another shot of Kylo in his fighter watching the explosion, feeling the death of his mother through the force and screaming out in pure despair. I think that could go down amazing, and would really throw some curveballs into Kylo's character arc
tweakoli ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:24:26 on October 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo would probably go on FO jihad if that happened he is that emotionally unstable.
johnprattchristian ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:56:25 on October 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Leia is not gonna die in this one. They are still trying to figure out how to give her a send off in the next movie. TLJ itself is completely finished, no changes will be made to the story from here on out.
bjacks12 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:06:31 on October 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's assuming that the original script included her surviving this movie.
johnprattchristian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:34:09 on October 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's a quote in this article http://starlingclubs.info/star-wars-9-will-find-way-close-leias-story/
I-dont-know-how-this ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:27:56 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't Luke know that would be the classic move of not training her... For her to feel like there's no options and then go to the dark side? I know it's going to happen, it just makes me kinda mad.
subslut245 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:37:01 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well no, not really. We know it is, but he wouldn't. I mean considering everything that happened in ROTJ, the First Order returning, what happened to his Jedi enclave, what happened with Kylo (very well could be related to the Jedi enclave) probably made him give up hope with the force. Starkiller base blowing up the New Republic's capital system and the death of his friend Solo at the hands of Kylo would probably be recent events to reinforce his exile and loss of faith in the force. Maybe he's gone peaceful in exile like Yoda, and has resigned himself to this fate. Rey comes along and wants to be trained by him, I think he'll be reluctant but MAYBE a chat with some familiar force ghost faces will change his mind (Yoda chatting to Obi Wan in Empire). But when he sees just how powerful she is, he might fear what happened with Vader and Kylo (powerful force users turning to the dark side) will happen to her and he might refuse to train her anymore fearing that it'll be his fault if she turns like he likely blames himself for Kylo turning. Then he'll of basically trained two force users that have turned dark and are now causing terror in the galaxy
I-dont-know-how-this ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:54:28 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think that's a fair assessment. I shouldn't just go straight to anger about him not wanting to help/mentor her.
Acedrew89 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:23:00 on October 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I get the feeling that's where the writers are going to go with Rey though.
banksnld ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:22:19 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There was plans for Leia to be in the third movie after the filming for Last Jedi wrapped but before Carrie Fisher died.
johnprattchristian ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:55:10 on October 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"fulfill your destiny" (snoke) might be Snoke saying, "your destiny is to give me power I can feed off" maybe?
educated_rat ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:36:25 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So here's my crazy theory that I need to write somewhere. When Luke is saying It's not going to go the way you think he's talking to Kylo after the destruction of the school. And at the end Kylo reaches his hand to Luke after turning on the First Order. Maybe Luke will try to make peace with himself by training Ben again (probably in the next movie).
10TailBeast ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:06:43 on October 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't seen anybody comment on this, but Luke is bleeding from the mouth in that scene. If that is the same cave we see Rey surface in, it indicates they potentially had one hell of a fight.
educated_rat ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:05:51 on October 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're right, he is. And it looks like it's the same cave, damn.
footfoe ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:41:58 on October 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To me it seems like that whole scene, with Rey coming out of the water to the foggy cave is like Luke going into the evil tree in Empire.
She's given another hallucination, one where she's confronted by an crazy version of Luke that she fights..
educated_rat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:53:37 on October 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Could be. I'm going with Rey tries to do something dangerous/stupid - Luke tries to stop her - Rey uses too much force on him. We'll see soon enough :)
VanguardBT7274 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 23:35:43 on November 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's getting closer.....closer....i can feel it, tickets booked let's do this already.
Kevzzhere ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 02:01:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good lord I got FUCKING CHILLS watching that
[deleted] ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 02:03:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kyle kills his momma and comes back to the good side in the end to help defeat snoke after seeing the truth.
theSchiller ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 02:19:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Damn that Kyle
headpool182 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:23:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
WEEEEEELLLLLLLLLL
Kyle's mom is a big fat bitch...
theSchiller ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:20:17 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She's the biggest bitch in whole wide world
ASH503 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:07:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To defeat Snoke and Rey
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:12:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would be sooo cliche.
First Anakin, then Kylo, and now Rey?
I really hope not lol.
If that quote even makes the movie, Rey is saying that too Luke, who is afraid of her power after what Kylo did.
ASH503 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:13:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree, but it's not like Luke is going to the dark side
NihiloZero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:53:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He'll be on the very dark gray side. He thinks he's bringing balance when he's actually just been driven mad by power and is doing crazy evil things.
bipbophil ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:15:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He could go grey, he was a sith at certain points in the eu
NihiloZero ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:50:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FTFY.
Sooners19 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:10:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pesky murderin neighborhood Kyle. We don't care about your friend Kyle! This is a Star Wars thread!
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:21:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No way he kills both of his parents, would be kind of cheesy.
gutterdamrung ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:37:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm going to assume he's flying early in the movie cause his scar is still patched. Leia is clearly on the same planet as the ATATs, so I think he doesn't kill her there. Snoke then captures Leia on that planet, brings her before Kylo, and he says the line it's time to fulfill your destiny.
Vox_Umbra ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:27:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So.... Scientology?
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:15:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Would be awesome if Rey turned too.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:17:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Too cliche.
That would be 3 main characters going to the bad side.
footfoe ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 02:30:30 on October 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know it's a misdirect but that shot at the end is still pretty cool.
We need to have at least one of the big questions from TFA answered. Who is Snoke? Who is Rey? I want to call out the rhetorical question is see a lot about these not needing to be answered.
If Rey's parents were just space Hobos, then Rey has no stake in the story. If Luke doesn't a least KNOW something about her parents, then she had no reason to find him in the first place. Her only motivation for continuing to be a part of the Resistance and become a jedi would just be "well i'm here.. it would be awkward if i didn't help." That's not good enough. Think back at Luke's motivation to begin his Adventure. They really piled it on: Vader betrayed and murdered his Jedi father, Storm Troopers murdered his adoptive parents, Leia was a hotty and he wanted to bang her. (before she was retconned into being his sister, that is)
His actions have now destroyed the New Republic, turned Ben Solo to the darkside, and sent Luke into hiding. The original trilogy ended when the Evil Emperor of the Galaxy was defeated. Snoke has to be a MORE significant threat than the Emperor to have undone everything the heroes had accomplished. If he was just a random dude, then we can't be invested in the heroes stopping him. As soon as he's defeated, another random dude with no significance could just replace him.
Brody1242 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:50:13 on December 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yikes
g2f1g6n1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:09:51 on December 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oof
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:26:21 on October 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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AnOnlineHandle ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:06:15 on October 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Her place in all of it is what they're talking about, she surely has to have one which fits...
TheMangalo ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:58:05 on October 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Star wars is a story about the Skywalkers, and there's only one young Skywalker left to bring balance to the force, and it ain't Rey.
AnOnlineHandle ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:59:54 on October 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke and Leia were both Skywalkers... Anakin and Shmi were both Skywalkers...
INTHEMIDSTOFLIONS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:27:11 on October 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Retconned
INTHEMIDSTOFLIONS ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:25:38 on October 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So just like real life?
Hitler wasn't around in WW1 and was a far greater threat as a leader in WW2
AnOnlineHandle ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:05:27 on October 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Very well put.
Ennyish ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:25:58 on October 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rey's mom/grandma is obviously the girl protagonist from Rogue One, it's so obvious it hurts my brain.
trashlyfe ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:41:00 on October 19, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
how?
Ennyish ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:49:40 on October 19, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, she has to be related to SOMEONE. And who else but the mysterious prequel woman who has no other relation to the current cast of the new trilogy?
trashlyfe ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:56:13 on October 19, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She dies at the end of rogue one and it never indicated that she had given birth or was a mother. It's hardly obvious and quite frankly doesn't make sense. Also, Jyn didn't have force powers.
INTHEMIDSTOFLIONS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:26:29 on October 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's circle jerking
Ennyish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:10:39 on October 19, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
!RemindMe 2 months
trashlyfe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:23:28 on October 19, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Please dont post on this in two months. I'm living in china and won't be able to watch the last Jedi until January
Ennyish ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:31:12 on October 19, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
!RemindMe 3.5 months
Ennyish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:58:57 on February 8, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Turns out I was wrong about Rey's heritage. It was actually pretty smart of them to do what they did, but they kinda went overboard with the number of twists in the movie.
youngbuck- ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:01:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The few new creatures they revealed look so rad. Also, that little showdown between Finn and Phasma!! Wow! I don't even know where to start, just amazing!
SuperCrystal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:06:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I need to know the name of that cute little creature in the ship!!
youngbuck- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:11:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a Porg! Just found that out a few minutes ago!
SuperCrystal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:11:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ohhh thank you! :D
el_vergudo ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:40:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This trailer was great. Iโm excited about the movie just like everyone else buuuuuut.....
WHERE IS LANDO AND NIEN NUNB?!?!?
Obi1DidntHave2Die ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:22:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm also really excited that Finn has a role besides "almost dead guy" in the film
mrdan1969 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 12:04:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it is less about spoilers, and more about misdirection. The last shots especially are being deceptive. Rey and Kylo are not in the same place.
Thejklay ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:06:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, the background is on fire for kylo and not for rey
Fragzilla360 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:33:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I think sheโs talking to Luke in that scene.
thisaintmine2do ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:03:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just hope that it's clear that Luke is insanely powerful, I'll be disappointed otherwise.
Coppin-it-washin-it ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:15:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree. I feel like they're building up to Kylo and Rey being these forces of nature in terms of natural, raw power. And Luke is just like "well I'm the son of one of the most powerful Jedi to have existed, who only became stronger when he went to the dark side, and was trained by two of the greatest Jedi of all time... But you two make me look like a weak old man!"
That's the vibe I'm getting so far and I sincerely hope I'm wrong. I just want to see Luke finally pull off some amazing shit that even Anakin couldn't do.
TheWindWaker01 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:51:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I'm hoping he spends the first half of the film in timid trailer mode then goes off in the second half due to some unforeseen event. Will give it much more of an impact.
Coppin-it-washin-it ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:02:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. I'm hoping that the first half of the movie for Rey and Luke is a study of character growth. She convinces him that he is needed, and that he did not fail Kylo. He convinces her that the force is the best guide, and that her being so unsure of herself is the only thing holding her back from being able to save her friends.
And when something happens to Leia, Luke decides to enter the fold and get over this mindset he has locked himself into. I'd love to see him go nuts. Pull a ship from the sky or enter full a full Yoda mode where his old ass becomes a ninja and just wrecks face.
georgefriend3 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:15:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, Kylo is said most powerful Jedi's grandson also and Luke then a mysterious dark force user have trained him.
It's not clear where Rey Kenobi-Palpatine-Skywalker-Jin gets her power though.
Vibrantmender20 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:29:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Does anyone else get the vibe from this trailer that we WONT be seeing the all-powerful, badass Luke we were all hoping for?
Sounds like heโs going full on old Ben which is cool, but I was really hoping weโd get to see him kick some ass.
matthew2d ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:11:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You have to keep in mind that Mark is 66 years old. He may not be capable of the physical demands required for lightsaber dueling.
Aeon_Mortuum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:07:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not necessarily lightsaber duelling but force, since Luke is supposedly the most powerful force user (until Rey?).
Plus wasn't Palpatine old too? He could swing those glow-sticks pretty well.
cpillarie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:03:42 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They should make a prequel trilogy to show Luke in his prime as an apprentice
mmm_bearhugs ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:50:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Theory - Chewbacca copes with losing Han by getting that little pet thing shown. The pet can only partially fill the void left by Han, but over the course of episode VIII and IX Chewbacca learns to healthily accept his loss and give love to the pet. Chewbacca then feels a sense of love too and feels needed, as the pet will rely on him.
source - this typically happens with people and their pets.
ha7on ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:56:50 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Porg. It's called a Porg.
mmm_bearhugs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:09:19 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
K. They didn't label it or give it an introduction to the trailer, so...
ha7on ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:21:04 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Been known for awhile.
SPacific ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:14:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/wholesomestarwars
fijignr89 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:04:34 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do the AT-AT's walk on their wrists like apes now?
And does the Porg sound like the Pokemon matrix shriek from the old GameBoy games?
The_One_X ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:46:50 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That was the first thing I thought, they look like gorillas.
P.S. It would be knuckles, not wrists.
10TailBeast ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:01:11 on October 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Their official designation is the AT-M6.
footfoe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:42:25 on October 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
will we call them at mixes?
HumbrolUser ยท -24 points ยท Posted at 16:16:20 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I had planned to stay away from seeing anything to do with the new movie, UNTIL I was reassured that there wasn't any stupid stuff in it..
..then I had a brief look at a trailer reaction video, and looking at those silly walkers, I can now say that I will NEVER watch any of the new Disney Star Wars movies.
There was enough stupid shit in The Force Awakens and Rogue One, but I've had enough. Disney imo has turned Star Wars into garbage.
Enough is enough. Too much bad sci fi, and Star Wars didn't have much sci-fi to begin with, but one could relate to a sense of realistic take of space battle with simple weapons like blasters (and shields to defect).
badcgi ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 16:47:11 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you sure you've actually seen Star Wars before? Because a "realistic take of space battles with simple weapons" was never a thing, or did you forget about the moon sized space laser that destroys planets, the laser swords, space wizards that disappears after dying, and so on?
NewBroPewPew ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:04:07 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, he drew the line at how the AT-AT's walk? Hater just gotta hate I guess.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:13:34 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And specifically the new ones, as if the AT-ATs were ever a remotely feasible weapon. It's simply a case of "I could accept new weird ideas when I was a kid and now I can't."
badcgi ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:17:42 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The funny thing is the ones that all of a sudden can no longer tolerate the direction Star Wars is heading were perfectly content to consume Legends. Plot devices like the Sun Crusher, or the World Devestator, or a blue alien that can predict tactics based on art work, or a species of extreme S&M enthusiasts that are immune to the force, or Luuke, or how many times the Emperor cloned himself, etc, etc... were all ok. But a new style of AT-AT........
HumbrolUser ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 18:28:41 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The walkers looks cartoony! Did you not see that?
HumbrolUser ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 18:43:43 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One of the things Disney should not mess with, is the stylistic take on sci-fi that originally made Star Wars look good. Now, Disney apparently think that some kind of half assed SWTOR level of design is even acceptable.
banksnld ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:19:14 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Much of the design in the new movies borrows heavily from the work of Ralph McQuarrie, with some even being his designs that didn't make it into earlier films. So it's rather bizarre to get angry about "half-assed design."
HumbrolUser ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 05:47:50 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ralph McQuarrie's designs are half assed. I believe it was the ILM company that actually made the Star Wars models.
Surely, you wouldn't be happy having some Ralph McQuarrie design, right from the drawings would you? That would be terrible.
I don't think you know what you are talking about.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 20:46:22 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like you have a sad life
Ghigongigon ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 17:54:01 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The New AT-ATs have giant cannons on them , the bigger arms are there to support it when its firing im assuming. Why didnt you draw the line in episode 1 when instead of a regular lightsaber they added a double sided one, or in return of the jedi when they added Tie interceptors. Youre seriously just looking for shit to hate on because you wanna be more edgy then a vibroblade.
Ubergopher ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:31:23 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He probably isn't old enough to remember TPM being in theaters.
MasterOfNoMercy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:47:30 on October 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Great, that means we won't see you in any further discussions of the new movies. Right?
Dung_Flungnir ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:00:32 on October 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, George Lucas was turning star wars into garbage himself with the prequels. While these new movies have their flaws, star wars is much better off being in someone else's hands instead of George Lucas.
HumbrolUser ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:51:38 on October 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The only good thing might have been ILM I think.
biom01 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 03:14:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My quick idea:
Kylo has the opportunity to kill Leia in Space, doesn't take the opportunity for some reason (no shot, distracted, etc.). Snoke or Hux notice his hesitation, keep an eye on him.
Later on, Kylo bears down on the Resistance base on Crait (his command vessel being present makes me think he's there), says he'll destroy it. Leia calls his bluff, Kylo hesitates, then Hux comes in and orders the base's destruction, killing Leia. Already torn from his killing his father, Kylo now feels he can't continue with the First Order and starts his "ascent" to the light.
miragemonk ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:44:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This...I like this.
[deleted] ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 09:40:01 on October 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just don't be a rehash of Empire and I'll be happy. The similarities were honestly ok for one movie. It's time for something new though.
rbarton812 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:06:42 on October 23, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know this is a week old... but the only thing I don't want, but I fully expect - I don't want an "I am your father" moment. I don't want Rey to be Luke's daughter, and I don't want Rey and Kylo to be siblings. Do a cloud city, have a bounty hunter chase Poe, I don't care...just no family reveal in this one.
yodawg111 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:36:18 on November 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know this is a month old but I'm not getting my hopes too high. The Force Awakens piggybacked off a new hope, but it was fun and gripping and a great experience. I'm predicting The Last Jedi will piggyback off Empire but as long as the magic doesn't go away it's all good
MasterOfNoMercy ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:10:46 on October 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AT-ATs vs rebel fighters = strike one.
Desecr8or ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:16:26 on October 19, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If it's any consolation, I'm pretty sure that scene will be at the end of the movie rather than the beginning.
INTHEMIDSTOFLIONS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:22:51 on October 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone else notice the at ats had different legs?
TomassTheTank ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:38:00 on October 21, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think they have a diffrent name now, im just not GEEKY enough to know it
INTHEMIDSTOFLIONS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:09:43 on October 21, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I heard in a talk show somethings like AT-A6's or something
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:50:05 on October 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who else exactly do AT-AT's fight?
SilasX ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:47:53 on October 19, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I recall from the criticism of Rogue One, AT-ATs are like siege engines, intended for bombarding an armored target that they have to reach on the ground ... not to fight skirmishers.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:56:06 on October 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Potentially. I'm hoping there's some kind of twist there to differentiate it enough at least. Or that could be just a brief battle sequence for all we know.
bjkman ยท 249 points ยท Posted at 02:00:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FINN IS ALIVE!!!
ChriSquared ยท 457 points ยท Posted at 02:02:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well....duh.
bjkman ยท 70 points ยท Posted at 02:03:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good point lol
thatwasnotkawaii ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:23:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
GOOD point
DeadDay ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:19:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or he's a robot!
bjkman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:20:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
MINDBLOWN
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 02:03:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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cosmonaut_koala ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:05:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dies off screen due to an infection he sustained because his doctor didn't properly sanitize his hands.
deh321 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:34:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oooo-baaaa
FloopyMuscles ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 02:04:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did anyone doubt he would be?
bjkman ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:04:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well I'm more happy he's actually moving around and fighting.
aethiestinafoxhole ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:09:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea i was worried hed be paralyzed or something waist down
Knappsterbot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was hoping for cyborg Finn
Fftlacop ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:49:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How do you know it's not a coma dream sequence?
bjkman ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:50:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
MINDBLOWN
Fftlacop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:54:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Haha you never know.
throwaway_for_keeps ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:06:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
dude. He's featured in the banner on Star Wars' twitter page
bjkman ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:07:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's no longer comatose I mean. And he's fighting and stuff
throwaway_for_keeps ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:12:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm saying it's not new information.
https://twitter.com/starwars
He's clearly piloting a ship.
bjkman ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:12:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol I haven't been to their twitter so I haven't seen that pic.
JonMeadows ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:08:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FINNS NOT A QUADRIPLEGIC!!!!!
AgentDink ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:42:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There isn't enough diversity in the cast, dammit! Just because Clieg Larrs had a hover-round, doesn't mean we shouldn't include more infirmed characters. #TRIGGERED
MeatTornado25 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:52:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
we'll get there one day
Bexirt ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:55:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
POE + FINN CONFIRMED
LarryBrownsCrank ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:10:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Could be a fakeout?? /s
bjkman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:10:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh shit u right.
10TailBeast ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:58:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And looking pretty sharp in that uniform.
Smallgenie549 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:04:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And fighting fucking Phasma omg.
marlowned ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
OMG!!!1!!!1!!! Spoiler tags pls!
_Sweater_Puppies_ ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 02:04:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The music is amazing. Holy shit.
gandalf-greybeard ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:23:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hate that I had to scroll down this far to find a comment about the music. That build when then pan over Ach-To is awesome! Soo excited for new Star Wars music!
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:07:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke is scared of Rey's darkness and the red herring is that Rey joins Kylo. But it's pretty obvious that it's as big of a misdirection as Finn being the Jedi in TFA was
Bluenevi ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:09:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Prepare to see many plush toys of that adorable animal that was in front of Chewbacca this Christmas
Eric77TA ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:11:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have you been to Target lately?
PolyproNinja ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:11:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are plenty plush toys of Porgs now.
deephal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:10:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That thing was cute
GrandZebraCrew ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:16:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude already bought for my 8 year old who is absolutely in love.
GregThePrettyGoodGuy ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:21:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stray observation, but Iโm pretty sure those are two different locations at the end
Ainโt nothing on fire when itโs at Rey, but over at Kylo lotta stuff is burning
Edit; in fact Iโm certain; itโs sunlight reflecting off Reyโs face, and sheโs still in her island gear (I.e. the outfit from the end of TFA, minus the vest)
Kylo Ren is being lit by fire. He is surrounded by burning stuff, which suggests heโs in the flashback of the burning temple, or the wreck of a ship
Edit 2: moronic me missed the scar, so not burning Temple - but still not the same location, unless theyโre like, across a huge gap or something
deftPirate ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:39:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope so. I really hope so.
baxterrocky ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:39:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What a load of shit...
*Just joking looks great.
senseii_ ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:56:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can we talk about the sheer beauty of these shots? The color palette was extremely well done!
MakVolci ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 12:41:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rey leaves Luke, Kylo leaves Snoke, they train together.
To what end, I don't know. But I really can't see Rey going full dark.
Coppin-it-washin-it ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:10:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To that same end, I don't see Kylo coming back to the light, as many seem to think he will.
He has gone too far. There's a point where the dark side takes hold and you cannot be fully redeemed. For Anakin, it was when he killed every Jedi in the temple. There was no real redemption for him after that point. There was too much evil in him to truly become a good guy again. For Kylo, it was when he killed Luke's other apprentices and he solidified it when he killed his own father.
There is no redemption arc for him that everyone thinks is gonna happen. The closes he could get is having a Vader-esque moment where he saves someone from Snoke. But I would personally hate that sort if repeat.
I personally believe Kylo will be remembered as a great villain because he didn't want to be. He had is mind poisoned and went too far into the dark.
Ragdollmole ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:17:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuuuuck I hope Luke is the still the most powerful force user...I got that childhood-hero soft spot of course but still.
TheWindWaker01 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:45:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah if they have Rey overpower Luke at some point I'm going to be quite upset.
mrwarman780 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:05:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
old man
SgtSqrl ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:30:27 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So we know Admiral Ackbar is still alive during The Force Awakens...is Kylo attacking his flagship Home One that Leia is on in the trailer? Looks the same... (yes, I know there are/were multiple Mon Calamari star cruisers.)
OSU_zj92 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:12:18 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not confirmed but I think that Mon Cal ship he is attacking is the Raddus
SgtSqrl ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:31:55 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah you're right. Did a little more research after I commented and found that seems to be the case. Homage to Admiral Raddus from Rogue One.
skibum607 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:37:10 on October 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"I've seen this raw strength only onceth before."
pickledchickenfoot ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:03:48 on December 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Classic misdirection!
NightFire19 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 02:03:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"I have only seen that power once before."
Now is he referring to Ben, or to Vader?
Mikey_MiG ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 02:08:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ben. Vader wouldn't make any sense.
Austyx ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:28:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought this was in direct reference to Vader: "I'm not afraid."
Mikey_MiG ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:32:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But he already defeated Vader and brought him back to the light side. Ben was someone he tutored and he "wasn't scared enough" of him because didn't foresee what Ben would do.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:50:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Mikey_MiG ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:56:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno, maybe the fact that he killed the rest of Luke's students, destroyed the Jedi Temple, killed Han, and helped lead the First Order to blowing up billions of people, all based on training that Luke gave him?
NightFire19 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:09:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why wouldn't it?
GriffyDude321 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 02:14:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He didn't really see Anakin in his prime, although he could be saying that every time he's sees this amount of potential something goes wrong.
ronan125 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:05:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
George Lucas confirmed that Luke is is the most powerful Jedi to exist. He inherited Anakins midchlorian count AND used it to full potential
glswenson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:44:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
George Lucas no longer has a say.
ronan125 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:45:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but for the audience, we were told this for long. If the series keeps the same name, it should keep some things canon
glswenson ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:46:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean Luke has never done anything in the movies to show he's even at the same level of Anakin before the suit.
ronan125 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:48:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He beat Vader in battle. The movies in which Anakin was whole was made later. In the original series no one ever said anything about Vader being the most powerful ever or having a midchlorian count or anything
glswenson ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:51:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He beat old Vader in the suit that severely limited his abilities. If Luke was fighting Anakin without the suit just looking at what he did during the Obi-Wan fight, it would last about 3 seconds. And you're right, we didn't have that back then, but it's a part of canon now. So they could easily say that Luke isn't as powerful because he hasn't demonstrated himself to be.
ronan125 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:53:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But in that same canon, the creator said Luke is the most powerful force user to ever exist. His training was nowhere close to Anakins when they fought either. Luke years later at his present age vs Vader uninjured would be at par. My point is, all of that is based on the later movies by Lucas and he said this
glswenson ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:54:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But the creators comments have never held weight outside of the source material in relation to future materials. They have to do something with the character of Rey to make her interesting enough to carry the series. If Luke is so much stronger than her or Kylo, he could just solve the whole thing himself. They need a reason for her character to exist within the confines of the conflict.
ronan125 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:56:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But there are other ways to do that right. Like how they did it in Harry Potter. Dumbledore was technically the most powerful but only Harry could kill Voldemort. I just don't like it when whoever is the main hero now becomes the most powerful retrospectively
glswenson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:58:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think they could set something up to where Luke could have become the most powerful of all time, but he completely abandoned the force and his training after the destruction of his academy. So he never realized his full potential. This stunts him similarly to Vader, but for a different reason.
ronan125 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:29:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But he didn't na. He went looking for the temple
glswenson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:31:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We don't know what he's been doing on that island. He could have completely recused himself like Yoda did.
ronan125 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:38:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe he found the first temple and found out that originally there was no concept of choosing between light and dark completely
glswenson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:08:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would be interesting. We don't know what's in those books they keep showing.
MeatTornado25 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:55:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But that's not how this works.
That's not how any of this works.
NightFire19 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:18:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Vader's still a force to be reckoned with, and Luke has experienced it multiple times first hand.
Mikey_MiG ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:24:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's clearly talking about Ben. Ben was his student who was incredibly strong in the force before he turned to the dark side and destroyed everything. That's why it didn't scare him enough, he probably blames himself for what happened. Now Rey is showing the same tendencies.
dynamictype ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:22:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because he was scared of Vader and took him as a serious threat. The line โI didnโt take it seriouslyโ would be really odd if about Vader
glswenson ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:44:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's why I think he's talking about Palpatine.
NightFire19 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:25:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But that's what he exactly did in Episode V. He rushed off to save his friends and didn't take Vader seriously.
dynamictype ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:28:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno, he was more motivated by saving his friends and not worrying about the consequences than anything else. Besides at that point he had only seen a few seconds of a Darth Vader duel, hardly enough to say he witnessed enormous power.
I think itโd be really odd if that line is about Vader, IMO.
Ayn_Diarrhea_Rand ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 02:11:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo
ironphan24 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:28:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ben
Ayn_Diarrhea_Rand ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:35:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uncle Benโs rice bowl
Bluenevi ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:12:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Itโd make sense with both, but Iโm leaning towards Vader because Luke said it scared him
flare2000x ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:14:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ben I think. It seems to cut to the destruction of Luke's Jedi Order (?) when he's talking about it.
AWDMANOUT ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:07:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Referring to Ben seems way too obvious, it even cuts to him soon after that. I agree with u/Austyx, it seems very much like a reference to this line in Empire.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:10:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought he was referencing Palpatine, while talking about Snoke.
skyydog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:17:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kyle
shadow7786 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:28:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Himself he destroyed the Jedi temple after the Knights of Ren did their thing
CaptainKyloStark ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:32:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
or a younger Rey?
boredguitarist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:51:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think Kylo
PythagorasJones ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:05:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe heโs talking about his own power. He didnโt fear it enough and and almost fell to the dark side.
KELund ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yoda
CatheterC0wb0y ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 02:01:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Those AT-ATs waiting to attack... oh my god I canโt fucking wait for December 15th!
SidepocketNeo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:14:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AT-M8
Drannion ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:35:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In the shots of the First Order base, we see both classic AT-AT's and something very reminiscent of AT-ST's.
Edit: The AT-AT's can also be seen standing amongst the AT-M8's!
Cambot1138 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:03:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AT-M6
The_torpedo ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:24:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit Finn wearing a coat while fighting Phasma what a lad
RiseoftheTrumpwaffen ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:25:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo impales Rey confirmed
bionix90 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 02:28:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
( อกยฐ อส อกยฐ) One can only hope. ( อกยฐ อส อกยฐ)
I_need_that_bacon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:22:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
BOATSEX
brandonorlowski ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:30:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's probably a video of that already.
RefreshNinja ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:34:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To watch, or not to watch...
Oh, who am I kidding. Hitting play now...
Thor_2099 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:42:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Question isn't to watch or not, it's how many times you will watch it. :)
yuno4chan ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:34:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I bet the hand is being reached out to Leia. That ending is a misdirect for sure.
MurderousPaper ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:56:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Something that stood out to me was how many intimate close up shots there were of faces; just like Ozymandias from Breaking Bad. I feel like this will be the most character driven SW movie to date.
BeerGogglesFTW ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:08:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would love to discuss all the theories about what this could be.
I think we're led to believe he's referring to Kylo Ren on his departure to the dark side. And Star Wars Episode VII was pretty straight forward. I'm not quite sure if this is actual misdirection.
However, if it is, he could have been referring to:
But if I had to put money on it... Kylo and Ren and the next two big super powers of unmatched strength. Luke is afraid to lose Rey to the dark side like he did Kylo. So he doesn't train her. I think that is the straight forward answer. But that means, he's just leaving Snoke and Kylo to run wild.
Idk. I don't quite get why he'd give up. Training Rey has little downside if she goes dark. Dark Jedi/Sith kill eachother all the time.
for_the_revolution ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:11:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Could be one of the other Knights of Ren (besides Kylo), but I'm willing to bet it's about everyone's favorite emo Sith.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:10:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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iHateDanny ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:55:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I had a similar thought. Seems like everyone is assuming heโs referring to Kylo, but we still have no idea who stashed Rey on Jaaku or why they did it. Hiding her from Snoke/protecting others from her power seem like plausible reasons.
NaturesWar ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:44:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe in Rian Johnson, I want this film to be amazing, i don't care bout the mary-sue bullshit enthusiasts, I love the current characters and am excited to see where they end up.
DaPainsta ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:59:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I canโt wait to play these levels on Disney Infinity!
Oh wait...
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:58:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fitting that Luke is paranoid now like Yoda was with the fall of the Jedi.
Gremzero ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 05:27:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, it's beautiful.
AnalogueWaves ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 06:44:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ONLY thing I don't like (and it's minor) is that the AT-ATs have evil red eyes. Like, did the designer in the First Order submit original walker plans to Snoke and receive the feedback, "Make them look eviler".
HK-47b ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:32:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes.
Mackaf ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:05:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And lower leg spikes. Seems they remember both amd tow cables
smashing3000 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 09:12:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If he kills both his parents it'll really cast a depressing shadow over the original movies.
SendTheRavens ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 09:19:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ending is two different scenes, Reyโs voice echoes whereas Kyloโs scene doesnโt have any echo
Tenrac ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 10:22:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not to mention, there is no fire raining down around her in the background. I agree that we are seeing two entirely different scenes with very similar lighting there.
Desecr8or ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 10:00:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also the lighting is different and Rey is wearing her early-movie outfit while Kylo's scar is healed, indicating that that shot is from later in the movie.
BeautifulKiller ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 10:32:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Leia is looking stunning in this movie
luckjes112 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 10:43:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"This is not going to go the way you think!"
I have a feeling this line was put in the trailer for a very specific reason.
SimoTRU7H ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:15:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Question is, who is referred to?
luckjes112 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:16:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think he's referring to the entire course of events of the movie.
SimoTRU7H ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:52:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But who is he talking with?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:28:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I get worried that Rey will attack him and win. I won't like that if they nerf Luke
Ricochet888 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 11:19:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When Rey was looking like she was being tortured, that was definitely Snoke in front of her with the gold robes on.
Sunshine145 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:21:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo following in his grandfather's footsteps during that space battle. "Let's try spinning that's a good trick!"
JenovaStark ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:25:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My predictions based on this trailer: Luke starts to train Rey but becomes scared of her power and stops. Kylo goes to kill his mother but can't bring himself to do it. Rey eventually turns to Snoke since Luke won't train her. The scene of her talking to Kylo is actually her talking to Snoke. The scene of masked Kylo picking up his saber is actually Rey. The scene of Kylo talking to Rey is actually Kylo talking to Luke, attempting to come back to the light side.
A_Hideous_Beast ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:39:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not gonna lie, I would love that.
grackula ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:54:02 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
how does Rey find out about Snoke.
to her he does not exist.
KidTheCurry ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:05:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is no such thing as "the light side". There is "the force" and "the dark side of the force". Where in the movies has anyone ever mentioned "the light side"? That is all video game BS.
beautifulrewind ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:41:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's mention of it in this trailer for TFA: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XRPxRNW_oDU
KidTheCurry ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:30:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The "light side"? No. Just "the light". There is a darkside of the force and the force. The force is "the light".
beautifulrewind ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:37:25 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's down to interpretation to be honest. I can see where you are coming from but for me it implies two sides of an overall thing, which is the force. I think in the novelisation of a New Hope there is mention of "the light side of the force" but I may be wrong.
Pandor3114 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:04:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Does anyone else want Rey to fall to the dark side so Luke has to overcome next film on his own (with resistance help obv)?
Coppin-it-washin-it ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:12:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would be making Luke the main character and hero of these two movies, which isn't going to happen.
They've been pretty clear that this trilogy is centered around these younger characters like Rey, Finn, Poe, and Kylo.
Just like how the OT focus was Luke, Leia, Han, and Vader and the PT was Anakin, Padme, Obi-Wan, and Palpatine.
Pandor3114 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:54:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Now I remind that piece of information. I'd rather have it the way you just said, but it would be badass for that to happen, just imo.
Coppin-it-washin-it ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:56:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, I would love for Luke to be the focus for sure. I was just saying it probably won't be happening.
But having him come out of hiding to show the Galaxy what is up would be amazing
Nazoragoth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:20:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That actually sounds sick
Pandor3114 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:52:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know right!
00zach00 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:32:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Possible
KamuiT ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:54:53 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So... whatโs the over under of arm/hand losses in this one?
Mystranite ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:24:44 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can't be sure, I don't know if 3PO's gonna lose another arm
JayGooner14 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:53:49 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It would have to be Kylo. He's the only other one, that we know of, that has Skywalker blood running through his veins. I mean, it's a family tradition.
DaSkull ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:11:59 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My point of view of what is going to happen after viewing this trailer. Balance in the force! Rey pretend to join the dark side and team up with Kylo to kill his master.. At some point Luke dies as well (haven't thought os anything regarding that).. The Sith and the jedi ends. Kylo redeem himself from the dark side. Both become the new Knight of the whills, new order of peace keeper.
Not fluent in english so i just throw it like that, sorry.
hammuhshloggin88 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:08:12 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe Rey is some sort genetic creation by the Emperor using Skywalker DNA, as part of his posthumous campaign against the Rebel Alliance. In the comics, it's been shown how much Palpatine anticipated his defeat and had developed a contingency plan (which involved Jakku in ways we don't quite know yet).
SenselessOne ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:37:44 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Something tells me Disney wouldn't be interested in such a convoluted plot.
hammuhshloggin88 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:45:29 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
hmm good point. LSG would have to sell that up the ladder real hard
breedwell23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:49:46 on October 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know. They did set up the Marvel Universe.
Holovoid ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:46:06 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Battlefront 2 campaign also alludes to Palpatine having some sort of plan.
Definitely_Not_Blitz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:29:44 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The plan Palpatine mentions in Battlefront 2 is most likely Operation Cinder and the events of the Aftermath novel series.
JJ3595 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:49:35 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
and also is referenced in the Shattered Empire comics.
Bowler_Fett ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 02:02:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
SNOKE USING THE FORCE ON REY!!!! REYLO CONFIRMED!?!?!?!?!?
Chillsons ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:14:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
REYLOLOLOLO.
jarwastudios ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:23:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
lol
RadicalReek ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:54:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
CGI Chewbacca?? Rubs eyes.
baxterrocky ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:24:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Surely not. I think the eyes have been touched up but still a guy in a suit SURELY!!
char_limit_reached ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:09:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. Still a guy in a suit. In fact, same guy as most of the shots on TFA, Joonas Suotamo.
WikiTextBot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:09:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Joonas Suotamo
Joonas Viljami Suotamo (Finnish pronunciation: [หjoหnษs หsuotษmo]; born October 3, 1986) is a Finnish basketball player and actor. He is 2.09 m (6 ft 10 in) tall.
Suotamo attended Pennsylvania State University (PSU) and played the power forward and center positions for the Penn State Nittany Lions. With childhood interests in music, arts, and movies he studied film and video at PSU. He was a body double for the Chewbacca character played by Peter Mayhew in Star Wars: The Force Awakens and will play the role for Star Wars: The Last Jedi with Mayhew and the upcoming Han Solo spinoff film on his own.
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Future_of_Amerika ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 12:42:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So fucking weird to read comments with bold proclamations about how the new trilogy is total garbage and that they refuse to see them. How do you know they're the worst if your not going to see them? How was ep. 7 worse than ep. 1? How do you love something so much that your love is twisted into hate so easily by a movie trailer? Such weirdness in this thread guys.
Rhys1991 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 12:46:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No one hates Star Wars quite like Star Wars fans...
allmilhouse ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:42:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Episode 1 did a much better job of portraying a different era of the galaxy, showing the old republic and the Jedi in their prime. Meanwhile TFA reset everything back to the same dynamics of the OT.
Future_of_Amerika ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:17:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes you're right about fleshing out that universe more in episode 1. Lucas did a ton of world building in the prequels. However from a thematic perspective and plot wise the story in it fell short of both Ep. 4 and Ep. 7. It was almost like Ep. 1 explained too much and Ep. 7 didn't explain enough as starting points to their respective trilogies. Then of course there's Jar Jar.... I'm not going to disagree with the fact that Ep. 7 is just an updated Ep. 4 because it was, but the stories in both of those were better than the story and lines in Ep. 1.
jparr02 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:45:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i agree.. i for one cannot wait.. so many questions...
Mattorski ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 02:02:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who has Luke seen this power in before? Anakin?
ASH503 ยท 101 points ยท Posted at 02:06:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think Kylo. And he ignored it, and we see what happened
SullivantheBoss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:15:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Makes the most sense. And I feel like he knows in detail about Anakin's fall too. Probably talked to Obi Wan, Yoda, Qui Gon, and Anakin himself about it. He thought he was better but after failing like Obi Wan did he's given up.
LingoMingo ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 02:05:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm guessing in Ben / Kylo
Doctor_Cornelius ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 02:06:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo for sure
chadwickipedia ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 02:03:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
kylo...im thinking twins?
TurboMoisture ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 02:08:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylos older than Rey
chadwickipedia ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 02:08:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Irish twins then :)
LordJournalism ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:16:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not possible.
OfficialGarwood ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:24:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo is 10 years older than Rey (confirmed by Pablo).
Rey is 19, Kylo is 29.
Twins, no. Relation? maybe.
KookyGuy ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:17:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
so one was born with a British accent?
tiglath_ashur ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 02:20:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not how accents work
KookyGuy ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:22:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was clearly joking, silly goose.
fire_breathing_bear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:21:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You aren't born with a language or accent. Neither of those is genetic.
jpylus ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:07:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo, I assume. But maybe just misdirection in the trailer.
hMJem ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:09:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Could he seriously be referencing anyone else?
He is clearly intimidated by whatever power + lust for power that Kylo has, which he's seen in Anakin too.
mdp300 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:07:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think his nephew
Hockeybum11 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:10:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably in Kylo who he trained then turned to the dark side which is why he doesnโt want to train another
Asabiru ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:13:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sidious
JonathanAlexander ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:22:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Emperor.
Snoke scares him.
parker06162 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:11:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Himself maybe?
Inksplat776 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:13:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo.
Trev_N7 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:17:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think he's referring to kylo. But the power he's seen before is probably anakin
cmath89 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:11:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably whoever fucked his Jedi temple up, but just to stir the pot Iโm gonna say Palps.
wukkaz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah that's what I'm kinda confused about, Luke and Anakin are considered the strongest force users to ever exist, right? So, comparing Kyle to Vader is kind of silly right.
shadow7786 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:26:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe luke destroyed the Jedi temple after julo did his thing freaked out went into hiding
ryank_119 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh geez, I thought he said something else there. โRash streakโ. In my defense I was watching it with a screaming baby.
SuperMajesticMan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:19:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo probably, since it cut to the footage of the Jedi temple being burnt down. Although it could be another misleading thing. However, Luke wanted to keep training Kylo even when he knew he was strong and maybe "dark", so when he sees that strength in Rey he's like NOPE. NOT AGAIN. FUCK THIS SHIT I'M OUT.
justinxduff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:20:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Vader?
luconiusrex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:20:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nW8u9FQKEzo
ComicCroc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:44:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most likely Kylo, although it might be Vader, as Luke says "I'm not afraid" in his final fight against him.
TofuMignon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:54:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ben.
awesome4287 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:23:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyoneโs saying Kylo but Snoke maybe?
jayjayreddit ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:34:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah if snoke was grooming Kylo prior to his move to the dark side then Luke may have known him. Luke may have even "trained" snoke at the academy. Snoke however was just acting as though he's weak and needs training. All while getting closer to Kylo.
strokesfan91 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:37:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really hope to god it's Anakin, afterall the guy kicked his ass and choped his hand off...the fuck did Kylo ever do onscreen?. I can't get hyped by Adam Driver no matter what.
PM_MeYourDataScience ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:19:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Crazy theory. Rey.
He is getting all "from a certain point of view" on her.
She was trained early in the traditional Jedi way, and things didn't go well.
TheRarebitFiend ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:23:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My guess is Palpatine. He rushed in to face him headlong and was convinced he could come out on top. The person heโs scared of now is Snoke.
camwow64 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:24:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Palpatine
Pianistnotpenis ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 02:05:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I got here within 5 minutes and theres already 500 comments ;( I just wanted a little karma
HeyDarkEyes ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:22:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Updoot ๐๐ป
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 02:06:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I need a detailed analysis before I get to work tomorrow.
ZPTs ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:13:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Miller account is in the shitter, we need three new clients before the end of the quarter to catch back up to forecast.
acgregg758 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:48:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Emergency Awesome video is up on his YT account.
TheRealSlippyToad ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 21:22:51 on October 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This'll get buried but does anyone else think the Ice Dog things just don't fit Star Wars? I always liked Star Wars' alien designs, more specifically in the original trilogy because they actually look what you'd imagine real aliens could look like. They look 'natural'. However these dogs literally look like they could be out of Narnia. I just don't think they fit, I think it's the fact that they are seemingly made of Ice, they don't look natural.
footfoe ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:33:32 on October 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So a big white fox looks less natural than a Wampa or a Rathtar?
They aren't made out of ice. It just has sparkly salt on it's fur to blend in. if anything i say it looks too natural. Like straight up a space fox.
INTHEMIDSTOFLIONS ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:27:53 on October 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or a starfox
rbarton812 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:09:56 on October 23, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Main Porg is now known as Slippy.
CosmoZombie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:00:09 on October 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I swear it looked like it actually had a crystalline structure, especially around the ears. I'll have to look at it closer .
AnOnlineHandle ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 06:07:18 on October 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They looked like CGI from modern movies without great CGI, but there were photos of physical prop versions so I'll wait and see.
BatMatt93 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:34:40 on October 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like that may be due to the fact we only saw them for like 2 seconds. Maybe actually seeing them in some scenes for more then 2 seconds will get rid of that kind of look.
TheRealSlippyToad ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:55:28 on October 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe but from what we've seen so far (and we have basically seen a full body shot tbf) I'm not a fan. I think it's the ice look they give off. If they could find a way to make their fur look like actual fur then if be happier with them I think.
BatMatt93 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:05:27 on October 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe we'll get an upclose shot, like one getting close to Leia or something hopefully. Regardless, still gonna see the film, got my tickets pre ordered all ready :).
TheRealSlippyToad ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:15:11 on October 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh I'm still gonna see the film, just a minor nitpick I have :)
Mattllly ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:04:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Alright people. Let's get the plot figured out by the 3rd quarter.
macbeezy_ ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:29:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rey is totally in a force vision at the end when sheโs talking to Kylo at the end. Supposed to be luke but sheโs going through her โDagobah Caveโ moment. Bet.
mil_phickelson ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:54:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's what I thought too. Ren's scar is different and the scene looks kinda fuzzy like it's a dream sequence
macbeezy_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:54:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. Kylo calling out to Luke like Vader did.
StoneforgeMisfit ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:01:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh my God... The red on her face...
youngbuck- ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:04:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That little guy riding in the cockpit with Chewy was fucking adorable
Bexirt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:00:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
a porg
xdeltax97 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:06:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Huh. So the First Order actually does still use AT-ST's in conjunction with the AT-AT's.
oh-ok-yeah ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:14:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man whatโs Kylo doing at the end there? Maybe heโs just getting a nice hot dog in the beautiful city at night from a stand instead of reaching for Reyโs supposed hand. Think guys. Think.
noshato ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:26:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have seen it 8 times already.
Morning_Song ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:21:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
8? What are you busy or something?
BeerGogglesFTW ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:49:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't tell if they're being straight forward or if its all just misdirection.
They make it seem like:
I believe Mark Hamill made some comments about not agreeing with the direction of Luke Skywalker here, and as a fan of the EU, I may understand that.
I can list several possibilities of what is happening here... and none of them line up with the EU version of Luke Skywalker, which is kind of upsetting to me. I mean, I know. EU is gone. But some of us still want to see some of that brought into the Disney Star Wars (Like Trawn, is still very much Thrawn)
infestedjoker ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:00:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea EU Luke is not gonna happen. Sadly I got the vibe that Luke isn't gonna be important outside of training Rey, and killing him off to let the new generation in.
BeerGogglesFTW ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:19:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kind of seems like (as I guessed before VII):
Now with VIII:
I gotta hope there's going to be more to it than that... I mean, I watched that movie already. I love it. But... I've seen it. VII got a pass for being the new introductory star wars to the young gen.
infestedjoker ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:23:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. Man I really want to say Luke is the hero. I mean it's about the skywalkers but who knows what Disney is thinking now.
NihiloZero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:44:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke will be the primary villain in Episode IX.
vhiran ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:10:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the misdirection looked to be via voiceovers because we couldn't tell who they were talking to.
So i'd say...
Luke is referring to Kylo as the power he'd seen only once before. Kylo hesitates on killing his mother, the scene implies until they 'connected' he had no idea she was even on it. He won't take the shot, but someone else might, plenty of other TIE fighters around. Rey takes on Snoke. Obviously a horrible mistake.
You're familiar with the old EU... it reminds me of dark empire, where Leia and Luke together were the only way to vanquish the emperor once and for all.
The fact that Kylo and Rey are equals while Snoke is obviously a step above them seems to imply that they both need to take him on.
given the strange tidbits about snoke's backstory, he seems almost like a canon abeloth.
BeerGogglesFTW ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:24:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Part of me just wants EU movies. lol
There was a lot of good stuff there and I'm re-imagining it now that you mentioned some of those things.
But... I still hold out that this new series will be good too
NihiloZero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:45:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snoke is Luke's pawn. Just like everybody else.
Thau831 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:55:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
From what I gather, Luke doesnโt want to train Rey because her strength is similar to Kyloโs and he was easily manipulated. Star Wars is basically the story of the Skywalkers, and the Skywalkers are the only known ones to be the most powerful (Anakin/Vader, Luke, Kylo Ren, and now apparently Rey). Does this mean Rey is a Skywalker?
GregThePrettyGoodGuy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:28:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Whether or not itโs by blood, Rey is the heir to the Skywalker legacy now
Hence, Rey gets the saber instead of Kylo Ren on Starkiller Base
So put it down as a yes
skootz ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:58:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Crazy talk time. Luke is actually leaning toward the dark side, has isolated himself to keep from hurting anyone. Rey shows up, is super powerful, and the scene where Luke says "this is not going to go how you think" - he's actually talking to Rey as she is wanting to take him down after realizing that he could be bad. It shows her diving/falling into water then coming out to face Luke in the rain and Luke is dressed in black. Also it shows a sad Leia in the middle of him saying that.
Also, the fire and stuff in the background when Kylo offers his hand to what is assumed to be Rey, he's actually offering it to Luke to go along with the scene when it shows the building burning and Luke is with R2-D2.
Or not.
Btide ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:05:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
100% not...He has the Scar in that scene. The scene with the burning building/luke is when Kylo destroyed the temple.
mozeef98 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:30:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can we please talk about that adorable hamster ๐น hanging with Chewie? Obviously we donโt want another Jar Jar but that sound it made gave me a warm feeling inside!
sageleader ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:31:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a Porg and people are already obsessed. Go into Target, Disney Store, etc and you'll see them everywhere.
moosemanjonny ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:38:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is it my crap tablet or did Chewie look CGI?
Drzhivago138 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:54:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not CGI.
moosemanjonny ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:11:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cool, thanks.
poollol ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:01:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
โIโve seen this much raw power only once before. It didnโt scare me enough then. It does now.โ
What of this is about snoke? The burnt down building is the place that luke was training the new force users, luke and snoke had a huge fight there destroying everything and leaving snoke deformed.
ThunderCrasH24 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:14:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looks great, but I really hope they don't diminish Luke in any way. In a world where Luke is crazy strong and he met types like Vader and Palpatine, it just seems wrong for types like Rey to have such innate power that it scares him.
Sure, she (and Kylo I hope) have immense raw potential, but Luke should definitely show us just how strong HE is.
ElegantSwordsman ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:38:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke is scared? Afraid? Fear is the path to the dark side.
NihiloZero ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:36:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ding ding ding.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:39:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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tribunetony ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:54:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This exactly. Episode 7's trailers were pure misdirection and almost all the theories that came from it proved to be false
403tatts ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:46:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke is going to fulfill his destiny and turn to the Dark Side
Two-HeadedAndroid ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 06:40:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This might have been the best trailer Iโve ever seen, for any movie. Absolutely brilliant.
intergalactic_wag ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 10:59:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hereโs my crazy theory.
Snoke is really after Luke. And they way to Luke is through his family. He corrupted Ben, had him kill his best friend, so it would force him out of hiding.
He will do the same thing with Rey.
It would be amazing if, at the end of TLJ, Rey does switch sides. But Kylo remains on the dark side, too. And the climax of the final movie is Luke facing all three in a serious epic battle where he tries to bring Kylo and Rey back while fighting Snoke.
Eisscholle ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 12:04:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That wont happen...lol
intergalactic_wag ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:46:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, like I said, crazy theory. Not sure why the lol. Itโs all just speculation at this point.
skyzm_ ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 11:22:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Little Chewbirdca was cute.
KingKangTheThird ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 11:32:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I JUST WANNA SEE LUKE TAKE ON THE KNIGHTS OF REN. (I think there's a little flash of him on the floor in the rain, similar setting to Rey's vision)
darthnoid ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 12:05:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know it's probably not what happens but it'd be awesome if when he says "this will not go how you think" he's talking to the knights of ren right before kicking their ass and it being our first exposure to post OT look using a light saber
Darth_Draper ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:21:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like watching a football game just to see a trailer for Star Wars might be the nerdiest thing I've ever done.
Orion_2kTC ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:27:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
See this I did. Hyped I became. Tickets I bought.
deephal ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:20:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you think Disney would actually let Rey fall to the dark side? She's one of their biggest leads. It would be insane and amazing if Disney had the balls to do it. But I don't know if they do.
KidTheCurry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:59:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have been hoping for this since TFA.
TheDarkKnight125 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:17:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So here's my kinda out of left field theory. I'm sure everyone has their theory and mine will be glazed over just like every other theory. But I just want to put this out there and call it just in case it turns out to be true.
There are a few scenes that obviously stand out in my opinion. I'll describe what I believe happens in chronological order.
First (although only tangentially related) Kylo goes out on what appears to be a mission to kill his mother to complete his dark side. He fails and is somwhat demoralized. Snoke takes notice of his apprentice's weakness and turns his eyes towards Rey. I believe he'll tell Kylo to turn Rey to the dark side instead of just outright killing her.
Meanwhile, Rey asks Luke for help defeating Snoke. When he refuses and tells her he won't train her, she runs off to take down Snoke on her own.
In a somewhat mirror event of the battle between Vader and Luke, we'll see Rey and Kylo fight. She'll tell him she needs someone to show her the way. Kylo will view this as an opening to turn her. But in a wild turn of events, she'll pull a fake out and seriously injure him (thinking that she killed him) in some fashion similar to Luke losing his hand.
Then she'll go to confront Snoke who will be pleased at her violence and anger. She'll go to fight him and he'll push her to the breaking point, telling her to fulfill her prophecy (which I think in this case would be to kill Snoke and become a Sith lord.) She'll do so and fulfill her prophecy with Kylo coming back as a pseudo Luke in the next movie and Rey taking the route that Emperor Palpatine originally wanted Luke to take.
I feel like this wouldn't be too outlandish because it follows this theme of mirroring the past while still playing on Luke's fears that his apprentice will become evil again. I wouldn't mind this because I'd hate to see them play it super obvious. Luke refuses to train her until he comes around a la Hercules. Kylo will kill Leia then lose to Rey. Rey will confront Snoke but won't kill him as he'll get away. Blah blah. I think setting Rey up as the villain for episode 9 would take many by surprise while making way for the other hero's to shine. Alternatively, maybe Kylo won't take the good side and instead will go out on his own while Finn becomes force sensitive and goes on to battle Rey in episode 9. But that last bit is just wishful thinking.
Ottott ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:37:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think you're pretty close. Check my comment out in this thread. We're running on similar veins.
grackula ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:40:33 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
why would Rey know who Snoke is?
TheDarkKnight125 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:01:39 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well I'm assuming this is after some rising conflict where she encounters him. I did mention it was a crazy theory. There are a few holes.
grackula ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:47:42 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm more interested in how Rey/Snoke figure out about each other.
Snoke kind of knows about a "girl with force abilities" from Ren but other than that I'm not sure about how they will connect.
squidwardtortelIini ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:04:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The real question is will we find out how 3PO got his red arm? I hardly recognized him in TFA.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:27:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
he went to Maaco.
KidTheCurry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:28:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I doubt it. That was an abandoned plot thread.
Ottott ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:35:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nope it was answered in the one off C-3PO comic. It's a tribute to an imperial protocol droid that sacrificed himself to save 3PO in said comic. It was his arm. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars_Special:_C-3PO_1:_The_Phantom_Limb
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:33:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's in the Poe Dameron comic I think
ethanjim ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:18:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was covered pretty well in the Lego game for the last film.
Ottott ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:35:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars_Special:_C-3PO_1:_The_Phantom_Limb
tealfan ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:50:38 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When it looked like Kylo was about to kill Leia (by shooting down that ship) and Leia seemed to sense it, all I could think was Leia saying: "Don't you dare, young man! Or I'll give you the spanking of your life!"
thrownormal ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:54:23 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Apologies if this has been brought up, but I haven't seen it yet. One thought I can't believe it took this long for me to have: the trailer was suspiciously devoid of Benicio Del Toro, which I would posit means either his role is not that pivotal (pffft) or his character is directly involved in a major plot event(s). Otherwise, he would at least get a quick cut because he's an A-lister and you stack your star power in a movie trailer. Something to keep in mind as we continue speculating: what sort of wild card role he will play.
Edit: one word
SchinzonOfRemus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:09:29 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thinking about that last scene, it might just be cut to appear as if it's Rey and Kylo talking whilst in reality, at least one of them might be talking to Del Toro's character, who, I hope, is Ezra. I haven't been keeping up with new rumors and speculations but one of the first things people talked about when they found out Benicio Del Toro has a role in the movie was that he might be playing Ezra, right? The only major issue I have with this is that season 4 of Rebels won't have ended by the time TLJ comes out so we it might be confusing to have Ezra appear in the movie before we know how his story ends in Rebels.
LSDuck666 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:50:16 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
luke is playing both sides and sets kylo to fight rey. snoke is chewy confirmed.
SatanInMySubway ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:50:10 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if the ground breaking is caused by luke when he finds out about hans death?
RyanFromQA ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:05:07 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It wouldn't surprise him like it obviously does. Plus you can see Rey's back. She's in the meditating pose you see when she levitates the rock bits. In that shot, you can see the bottom of her shoe. It's pretty clear that her meditation and getting in touch with the Force causes the ground to split, surprising Luke.
My personal theory is that her meditation causes their escarpment to fall into the water, sending them down into the ocean, where they swim into a cavern, and get out of the water (dramatic coming out of the water shot later in trailer). I think Luke, is fresh out of the water, wet and shocked from the fall, when he says the line about being afraid of the power. But then someone in a hood is standing off to the side when she gets out of the water, so either that's not Luke, or he is talking to someone else (yoda/anakin/obi-wan force ghost) before she gets out of the water, then regains his composure by the time she climbs out.
CptAustus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:34:46 on October 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But Luke is bleeding in the cave scene.
RyanFromQA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:51:38 on October 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think so. Just looks like he's soaking wet.
CptAustus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:38:41 on October 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At first I thought there was blood in his mouth.
AmpdVodka ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:18:03 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He would've felt it in the force, just like Leia did. He'd know already. Plus he wasn't THAT close to Han, so I don't think it would anger him enough to give in to his anger and break the ground. Plus his face after the ground is broken is a face of surprise. So unless he's surprised that he did that (which is doubtful as he's portrayed as old and wise) then it was obviously Rey
Mrpoedameron ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:44:41 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But you can clearly see he's watching Rey training...?
fragileegos2017 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 19:11:37 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would just like to say how lame all the people here are for down voting anyone with criticisms.
Also, especially, I would like to say how lame the mods are for actually banning people who posted criticisms
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:53:49 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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fragileegos2017 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:55:55 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
that's certainly a grand generalization
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:56:44 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not far off.
fragileegos2017 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:58:34 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
if you say so
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:21:31 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I do! Thank you!
Scaniatex ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:01:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm so excited, Srsly feel these nipples!
Perry7609 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:00:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Okay Bob Costas...
That_One_Cool_Guy ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:02:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TEASING REY AND KYLO BANDED TOGETHER?! WTF?!
kelter20 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 02:07:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This will not make all of the Reylo fan fics slow down any time soon.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:16:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You have to wait for IX to find out they're siblings
e5390 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:15:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Was thinking the same thing.
theSchiller ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:19:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Theory: they both leave their respective factions in order to discover more about the force .
pinktini ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:29:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
THE DREAM
monstateg96 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:48:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Notice he doesn't have the synth like scar? I think we're going to see a cave parallel.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:06:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ugh I would love for Rey to turn to the dark side and for Luke to truly be the last Jedi. But I doubt that happens because hollywood and that was just a diversion spoiler.
IrishFrontier ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:35:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree its too good and that's why it'll never happen.
It's what I've being hoping for that Luke can't just have his problems that he was involved with handed over the next generation, something that has become really cliche. He and he alone has to stick it out and beat the odds by himself.
They'll just redeem her in the 3rd film if she goes dark here, she'll only be dipping her toes unfortunately.
swiggitdoggy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:47:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Literally everyone died in Rogue One and it's Rian Johnson. Too confident methinks.
PM_MeYourDataScience ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:36:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snoke and the Knights of Ren aren't really Sith.
Luke is the Last Jedi. I don't think Rey will be taking that role.
I think we will end without Sith or Jedi, because that opens up the most room for new content. Disney will be able to go crazy with force stuff for the yearly Star Wars movies over the next 10 years.
i_hate_toolbars ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:06:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Regarding the possible spoiler in the trailer in the trailer
rafikiknowsdeway1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:14:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
and the most damning thing of all....I think I can live with it
poopbandit_ ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:26:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the scene of Kylo slamming his helmet against the wall. fuuuck
masoe ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:29:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My belief is he sees Snoke favor Rey and gets jealous. I think Leia stops Kylo and possibly helps turn him to fight alongside Luke.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:36:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah man Adam Driver is hella powerful
YamanekoBlues ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 22:19:55 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snoke = Plagueis, Rey = Reborn Palpatine
don't @ me
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:19:59 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs-a-me, Mario, and I love lasagna!
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:32:37 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And Jar Jar is Kylo
Sith911 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:08:00 on October 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, Jar Jar is a sith lord...
Sith911 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:51:16 on October 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Every Star Wars fan is contemplating Rey's parents...I don't think it's her parents who are that important, but her grandfather, Emperor Palpatine. Perhaps Snoke is really Palpatine, concealing his true identity. Snoke/Palpatine is using Ren and will kill him when the time is right, revealing himself when he is strong enough. Ren wants to follow in his grandfather's steps (Vader) and Snoke/Palpatine knows how important this is to him. Snoke/Palpatine is pitting Ren against Rey, just ask Palpatine and Vader battled in ROTJ. Snoke/Palpatine will at last have his vengeance on Skywalker/Vader when he kills his grandson, completing the cycle. Afterall, Rey utilizes the same forward thrust stab on her opening move the first time she handles the lightsaber against Ren. And the forward thrusting stab is the opening move the Emperor utilized against the Jedi when they attempted to arrest him. This is the reason why Luke had the forlorn look in his eye when Rey locates him at the end of The Force Awakens. He knows she probably is unaware of her familial history. Perhaps Luke someone found and rescued Rey as a child and dropped her off on Jakku?
jackvico ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 02:05:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
KYLO IS THE BEST NEW STAR WARS CHARACTER DONT FUCKIN @ ME M8
chernyboi ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:02:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
@jackvico sup bruv jarjar would like to have a word with you
jackvico ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:05:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck , you got me there.
phrausty ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:02:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"It didn't scare me then, it does now." Daaaaaamn. Also I really miss Carrie Fisher now :(
Mosk915 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:05:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He said it does now.
phrausty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just realized that, I fixed it :)
Duckpoke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought it was โIt does nowโ
Moruitelda ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:17:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke met Vader (Anakin), Palpatine, Yoda, and Obi-Wan, probably the three most powerful Force users outside of himself in all of Star Wars canon, and then another that was very powerful in his own right.
I'm not sure how I feel about him saying that Rey and Kylo (we can infer) surpass the strength of Anakin, Palpatine, and Yoda.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:14:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would wager that he interacts with or reaches out and feels Snoke's presence and comparing him to Vader or Sidious. That's who he is referring to IMO.
12345tommy ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:04:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
UNLIMITED KARMAAAA
chernyboi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:59:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
KARMA FOR YOU! KARMA FOR YOU! KARMA FOR EVERYONE!!!!!
Shakill_The_GOD ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:39:14 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Watching Force awakens again and with the trailer in mind it hit me.....why is Finn in a officer's outfit? And fighting Phasma? Is he the spoiler Rian was talking about? I mean he betrayed the First Order and aided with destroying their secret weapon and they took him back?!?!?!? But he may just be hiding among the big crowd.
Just finished and realized he could be having temporary anesthesia and the fight with Phasma is when it wears off as his memories are coming back...
Pics of Finn in First Order uniform on the trailer.
https://i.imgur.com/BuaBbBS.jpg
Kezia89 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:46:21 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's been a bunch of BTS stuff showing Finn and Rose Tico acting as spies again.
Mystranite ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:23:11 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
IMO Finn's just doing undercover work...
Shakill_The_GOD ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:53:50 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He could be but after his fight with Kylo he could be in a coma and when he wakes up he has no memory of what happened prior. Or he could be a spy but with everyone knowing he is a traitor I can't see them not noticing him.
tycho500 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:36:52 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I need a reminder... Who/what was phasma again..? Im a bit rusty
CptAustus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:38:25 on October 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"I'm in charge. You hear that Phasma? I'm in charge, I'm in charge."
deekaydubya ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:34:09 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you joking
God_of_Illiteracy ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:01:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is going to be good.
craige99 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:03:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I told myself I wasnโt gonna watch it but I did and now Iโm pretty pissed because of THAT one moment at the end.
ThatLChap ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:14:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Misdirection. There's a ton of flaming debris behind Kylo. There isn't any in Rey's shot. Also, the lighting is slightly different, so I'm pretty sure these are two different scenes.
pieawsome ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:17:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
fake outs my boy
ihavesensitiveknees ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:05:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Was Rey movin' it like Bernie towards the end there?
naus226 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:30:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snoke in the background with the Pratorian Guards. Looks not good for Rey.
Goose_Dies ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:06:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Gerbil with flippers is the new BB-8.
redjc99 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:08:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's called a Porg
dsul413 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:58:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One of the better descriptions I've seen of a porg.
Corr521 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:09:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My guess, Rey doesn't actually ask Kylo for help even though it seemed that way (different lighting).
Luke is gonna say he's never seen this much raw power after seeing her crack the stone and what not. They make it seem like he turns her away but the training footage is most likely after him saying he won't train her and him asking for guidance is probably what convinced him.
Battle scenes look amazing so excited. Need a good space battle too so YES
Tuttle51 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:11:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe I should of realized this already but this movie is literally picking up right where the other left off. Definitely something theyโve never done before
Should_have_listened ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:12:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did you mean should've?
I am a bot account.
Drzhivago138 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:52:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good bot.
Law527 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:36:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why do people keep saying Kylo and Rey could be siblings? Wouldn't Leia remember birthing another child?
Doright36 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:40:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably because the characters are heavily based off of Jania and Jacen who were siblings so it makes people think that'll be the case. I doubt it though. I think it's more likely she's Luke's Child than Han/Leia's but I think even that chance is small.
ZebZ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:40:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who says Leia just isn't saying anything?
Hubers57 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:44:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Canon novels
ZebZ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:46:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll take your word for it. I'm behind on my books.
LtDrg35 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:08:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm starting to really like Kylo Ren
for_the_revolution ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:12:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's still my favorite new character for this trilogy. He has the most potential for interesting development.
imminent_riot ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:33:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So I'm late to the party but here are my theories:
Ok first of all, I think the theory of 'Kylo left Rey on Jakku to protect her from Snoke' is accurate.
In TFA Kylo was freaking out about a girl on Jakku, then there was the tension when he mentioned it to Snoke.
During his interrogation scene there was a connection between them, and this is what it is.
I think that Snoke is actually talking to Rey at the very beginning, showing images of Kylo with the voice over is a red herring.
Rey, it goes without saying, has serious abandonment issues. She's struggled and suffered and found Luke Skywalker. Trained with him, trusted him because he's a Jedi Master and a hero.
And he's afraid of her power, and just like Yoda he's wounded by his failed apprentice but he can't get over it and see her for who she is. He bails, sealing her into the cave as he decides it is "Time for the Jedi to end" and abandons her there.
The smoke and fire at the end is that the First Order came after Like and just found Rey trapped and alone. Kylo used his fighter to blow the fuck out of the cave wall. She's scared, alone again and yeah, probably pissed off. She goes with him.
He takes her to Snoke, who reveals her supposed destiny. After that I really don't know, but anyway that's all I've got right now.
I'd love to hear what other people think.
(Also, I think while it has hints of ESB with Luke pulling a Yoda and being nervous about Rey, my theory makes it a bit Episode III with Luke walking away and leaving Rey to fend for herself, possibly even to die if she's trapped in the cave itself.)
milesofellis ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:02:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"I've seen this raw power only oneth before "
Vannysh ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:03:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait. Were R2 and C3PO not in this trailer???
brandonorlowski ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:05:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, theyโre on the poster though.
Drumboy168 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:18:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait did you not see Threepio?
In fairness, it may have been because of his red arm.
NotNorthD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:27:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
R2 is in it during the temple flashback
jesstmoody ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:27:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's the deal with Finn? THEY WANT US TO THINK EVERYONE IS SWITCHING SIDES!
NihiloZero ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:35:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finn is switching sides. Just as easily as his conditioning wore off... it will kick back in. He's some sort of Manchurian candidate.
jesstmoody ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:21:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not buying it. They wouldn't spend all this time developing a character and then suddenly go back on all the moral choices he's made up to this point.
Drzhivago138 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:00:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone else theorized this, and I think it's likely:
For whatever reason, the Resistance/New Republic sends Finn back into the First Order to infiltrate some base or ship. His cover is that he was a double agent from the beginning, and that his "true" loyalties lie with the FO. So they promote him to officer and parade him around as a hero; meanwhile, he uses his position to sabotage the FO. Phasma finds out and fights him.
bearrey05 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:32:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
THE HYPE IS SO REAL. This whole thing was beautiful. I canโt wait. IM SO EXCITED
skynetofficial ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:12:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm honestly ready for Mark Hamill to finally win an oscar. His performance looks stellar here.
mutually_awkward ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:21:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I got emotional. Every scene he's in is going to be pure joy for me.
Drzhivago138 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:07:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Star Wars doesn't win Oscars, because it's as much about Hollywood politics as it is about any artistic merit. Heck, beyond JW's music, they often don't even get nominated. Despite their budgets and distribution by Fox, the prequels were essentially indie films--and more than that, sci-fi indie films. From the beginning, George Lucas never tried to hide his disdain for the Hollywood establishment (he located his headquarters in San Francisco, rather than LA, and put Skywalker Ranch way out in Marin County). With the new films being distributed by the largest of all studio juggernauts, it's possible there might be some extra pressure for Oscar campaigns, but it's not likely.
cheshire_mat ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:38:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Crazy theory: Leia is on the dark side. The person with the raw power that Luke should have been scared of is Leia. Kylo Ren is Lukes Spy.
It's a pretty ambitious theory but working with the assumption that there are two sith, as usual, and kylo Ren and Rey are working together that leaves three valid possibilities, Snoke, Luke, Leia.
Any thoughts??
yakatuus ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 08:25:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
5 billion was a fucking steal. I have watched this 10 times.
Jeranda ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 08:57:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
During the part where Luke is saying "This is not going to go the way you think" - It looks like he's lying down on the ground, almost as if he was knocked down or something. It also looks like its in the same scene where Rey dives in the water and comes out to see Luke standing there. Maybe Luke pisses her off and she loses control and force pushes/explodes sending Luke backwards onto the ground. Also maybe she's angry and him and is almost confronting him / trying to fight him a bit, and that line he says is his warning to Rey for her to back off because he could easily kick her ass. Or possibly its from the same flash back that Rey has where its raining and maybe thats what he's saying to Kylo.
ScousePenguin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:33:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm thinking Luke and Kylo have a "friendly" chat where Luke says that to Kylo before Rey jumps in and fights him to save Luke.
They fight through the caves to a fiery lava bit, which is the scene where Kylo has all that fire and light behind him.
stonekold6969 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 09:29:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck me up this is amazing
TheKing30 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 09:30:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the movie will end with Rey as snokes prisoner. He's torturing her in the trailer
TimSimply ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 10:25:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Welp, time for a Star Wars marathon.
Chukieman ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 10:35:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Felt like I was watching Kitchen Nightmares with all that "Raw Power"
FlyingAce1015 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:19:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That line delivery was freaking fsntastic though! haha
TimberTaylor ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 11:22:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snoke is the gerbil, calling it now.
edit 1: snoke... not smoke...
KingKangTheThird ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 11:23:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like Luke is talking go a force ghost of either Yoda, Obi or his father when he talks about his fear of this new power from Rey
fyrilin ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 12:07:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well okay, a few things we know:
Inferences:
Observations:
whozurdaddy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:11:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also: It appears Luke never leaves the island. No kick-ass Luke in this one.
Jano118811 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:57:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder if Luke could be referring to himself in regards to "I've seen this raw strength only once before"? Either that or he felt it in Kylo and then he fell to the darkside and posed a huge threat to the galaxy.
Heisenbergs_own ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:37:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely kylo, bc being afraid of it relates perfectly to the knights of ren destroying his school
hufferstl ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:45:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why does Luke always have to be afraid and running away/hiding? I want him to be strong and a bad-ass.
boomkinburger ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:51:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's no way they make Rey turn to the dark side. With all the Forces of Destiny stuff, she's become an icon for young girls. They aren't going to ruin that, even if it would make for a good twist.
Coppin-it-washin-it ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:06:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree. The whole "Rey goes Dark and Kylo comes to the Light" theory that is becoming popular seems like such a silly move.
It's not gonna happen.
Ottott ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:40:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think it will be as simple as a turn. My guess is we're going to finally see "Essence Transfer" in a movie and made canon. Snoke will essentially possess Rey's body, and the third film will be a crusade to free her from said possession.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Transfer_essence
Joshieboy_Clark ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:59:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Given that both the director and actors said not to watch the trailer, but obviously knew we would see it and wanted us to makes me feel like the misdirects are confirmed. Why say don't watch the trailer if it's going to be full of misdirects? They wanted us to think we were being spoiled and yet we still know nothing at all
Sun_Of_Dorne ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:00:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When I hear Snoke say RAW, all I can hear is Serkis as Gollum talking about eating fish.
GoTomArrow ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:05:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Plot twist: Yoda is her father. AND mother.
DarthEwok42 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:23:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AND a Witchalok!
jayoduls ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:37:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just saw Captain Phasma do way more in that trailer than TFA.
FirebirdTA ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:50:29 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"It's time for the Jedi to end." Really looks like the Luke/Rey relationship won't work out.
Hobo_Code ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:10:27 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've wondered if Luke realized that perhaps the Jedi were always doomed to fail in its previous incarnation. His experience with Vader showed him (imo) that emotions (love and hate) have their place, and to deny them is to be out of balance. I'm hoping he'll come up with a "balanced" force user, neither Sith nor Jedi.
JayGooner14 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:59:03 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As Finn is a spy now. If he does have force powers, I would love to hear him say, "these are not the spies you've been looking for."
OliOk ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 11:51:55 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Will we see Luke's skin melt off the metal hand in the fire scene? If so he doesn't seem burnt on his face & still has all his hair
nosleeptilmanhattan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:50:56 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
what if snoke is something he drove out of himself that took on the burnt appearance instead
Sgt_Dashing ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 12:11:30 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
GIVE IT TO ME
NO MORE WAITING
[deleted] ยท 119 points ยท Posted at 02:00:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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username1012357654 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 02:02:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
a surprise to be sure, but a welcome one
jwhatts ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:05:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hello there
wtgm ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:05:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs treason, then
Itsthinking ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:04:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude you left out my favorite line, โI thought not.โ
ihatecats18 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:05:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So that cg bird is a Darth?
Bexirt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:00:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
its a goddamn porg
ThePrimeOptimus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:04:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did you ever hear the Tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise? It's a Sith legend. Darth Plagueis was a Dark Lord of the Sith so powerful and so wise, he could use the Force to influence the midi-chlorians to create...life. He had such a knowledge of the Dark Side, he could even keep the ones he cared about...from dying. He became so powerful, the only thing he was afraid of was losing his power...which, eventually of course, he did. Unfortunately, he taught his apprentice everything he knew. Then his apprentice killed him in his sleep. Ironic. He could save others from death...but not himself.
seyon35 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:12:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one
chambee_11 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This man is discussing the real issues.
fideliocrochett ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TRAITOR!
fetalbeej ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
what about the droid attack on the Wookies?
Sideways_8 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:04:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So how does this relate to trailer? Very curious
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:02:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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GratephulBBQ ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:28:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm calling it, they're going to climb up the cliffs. They have hands.
Chipman94 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:43:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm with you man.
Austyx ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:25:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AT-AT's will never not give me chills. Ever since you saw it through that Hoth Rebel's cool binoculars.
nascentia ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:24:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not just that, but it's our regular "classic" AT-ATs and new, HUGE First Order AT-ATs. The old ones are literally dwarfed by the new FO AT-ATs.
BigDickRichie ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 01:59:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Congrats on the karma!
toiletjocky ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 02:03:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What the fuck was that bird thing?
Sgtcrunch ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 02:06:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A porg
GeekMonster_ ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:14:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let's hope for a murder of porglets
LordJournalism ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:15:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
SHUT UP.
Sgtcrunch ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:33:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes!!!
Sloi ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 02:10:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Merchandise ;-)
cardsfan3 ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 02:10:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
MOICHENDISING!!
gumby_twain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:44:21 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Spaceballs the flamethrower!
Morning_Song ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:11:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That "bird thing" is a porg and you will show it some more respect
Bexirt ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:59:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
its a fucking porg
winslowpete ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 03:39:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
*Sees AT-ATโs
โREMAKE OF EMPIRE STRIKES BACK CONFIRMED!!!!! DISNEY SUCKS!!!!โ
*Sees all the things that look nothing like Empire
โBUT DID YOU SEE THE AT-ATs!!!! ESB has AT-ATs!!! REMAKE CONFIRMED!!!โ
zactl ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:01:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I need someone to help me understand all this...
bckesso ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:57:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Meta
skullyD ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:23:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
BRING ON JARJAR
bionix90 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:41:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We did see Snoke.
RiseoftheTrumpwaffen ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:41:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My theory is the movie isn't going to be half as convoluted as any of us expect until the end when fucking Thanos comes out of nowhere...
Tenrac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:44:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
haha.
caughtus ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 12:01:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone else notice the two old school AT-AT's walking in the group with the new Gorilla's? You can really see the size difference.
MagmaManOne ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:15:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh wow nice catch. Dang those new ones are big.
Amm-O-Matic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:01:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That ending shot though...
Amazing!
hgilbert2020 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:02:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snoke is even uglier in person. Damn.
CaptainKyloStark ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:04:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
wait who is Snoke speaking to, is it
Finally, we see Luke speak!
omg the little porgy
oh luke isn't onboard with this
holy fuck snoke
aagghgh omg
Fracking4Lyfe ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:05:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Spoilers
Rey was face to face with Snoke...
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:06:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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MtfbwyAlways ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:28:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of it could be misdirection though a lot of people though Finn would be the new main Jedi after seeing the first trailer of force awakens
RiiighteousRidah1230 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:39:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It could be, but Leia dying by Kylo's hand seems poetic imo. A character like Leia deserves to go out fighting. I know I'd be disappointed if she got something like Nimoy's send off in the Star Trek movies (not that it wasn't well done) during Episode 9.
Plus, I got some Anakin in the prequel-type vibes from Kylo in this trailer. It seems like he's going to have a further descent into darkness. He doesn't seem like he even needs to either, but it would make for some real tension when he and Rey have their Empire-style talk about who's joining what side (if they aren't totally destroying the concept of sides).
Bipolarbear22 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:07:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
KYLO AND REY VS SNOKE
NihiloZero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:27:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo will take care of Snoke in Episode VIII. Kylo and Rey will team up to stop Luke in episode IX.
copeadope ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:08:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That look of fear in Luke's face.....
BoredOneNight ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:10:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy God I love the look of Anakin/Luke/Rey's lightsaber. It looked so reminiscent of ANH but still technically stunning
marrick66 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:25:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think they made it flicker roughly, to match the effects similar to ANH. At least, that's the impression I get.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:11:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Thor_2099 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:15:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe that's what he meant. He saw that power with his dad, wasn't scared of him. Now he's seeing it in Kylo and realizes it.
riptide109 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:13:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That ending can't possibly be real. Before, we see Kylo with the carbon fiber scar thing, yet when he extends out his arm, it isn't present, meaning it's probably a flashback.
JankMyChain ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:37:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He has his scar in that scene. Looks more healed up. Probably from that thing he had on his face
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:29:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like it how Kylo Ren is no longer such a half-hearted character. He's full blown awesome now.
beneke ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:30:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No... That's not true. That's impossible!
Phoenix_King76 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:31:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Does anyone by any chance think that Luke was referring to Darth Vader when he said: "I have seen this raw strength only once before"?
Hubers57 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:38:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I assumed Kylo
Samwise4220 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:31:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TeamPorg
Bexirt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:00:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
fuck yeah
Evancurtis9 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:34:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone else notice the AT-STs?
Boot_Monkey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:36:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And a smaller walker too.
Cooter_McDoogletron ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:36:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
SPACE BANDAIDS
Tashre ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:42:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Many people thinking Rey is going to join Kylo on the dark side when I predict she's going to abandon the light side of Luke's teachings while Kylo abandons the dark (probably after offing his mother?) and the popular theory of light and dark segregation of the Force is broken down by the two of them.
vhiran ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:46:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
kylo looks pretty chill blasting away at the ship until the final moments where he realizes she's on it, cue hesitation. I doubt he'll do it, the scene almost implies he had no idea she was on the ship at all, despite the voiceover about 'kill the past' he's the one character who never seems to buy what he's selling.
props to adam driver for looking like he was about to throw up when considering the shot.
But he's got plenty of other TIE fighters with him that can take the shot for him.
CharlieExpress ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:45:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Chewbacca has a pet penguin!
dddash ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:48:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let's assume all the dialogue in this trailer is out of place.
crookedbydesign ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:56:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That isn't snow/ice, it's a layer of salt over the red earth on a mining planet named Crait.
Dzekov ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:02:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I need to know Lukeโs reasoning behind isolating himself from everyone. Hopefully i can use the same excuse!!
the_fuego ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:24:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Must've left his lightsaber on.
NihiloZero ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:46:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He needed to manipulate events throughout the galaxy. He was responsible for all the events that transpired in Episode VII.
duvaldan ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:04:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://i.imgflip.com/1xc3h1.jpg
gyutop ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:06:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"This is not going to go the way you think."
Talking to Rey, or Force Ghosts?
Horizons_Century_3 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:14:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know the Porgs are going to get a lot of hate for just being made up to sell toys and merch but goddamn if it isn't cute as fuck
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:14:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty fucking sure Rey is going to end up being the one to join the Dark Side / become Snoke's apprentice. I think Snoke is just using Kylo to get to Rey, since she is far stronger and has far more potential. Once Kylo realizes this (combined with the death of his mother, who I DO think will die but Kylo will hesitate and not be the one to pull the trigger but maybe Phasma does), he will go back to joining the Light.
And in Episode 9, we'll have Light Side Kylo VS Dark Side Rey.
twistinglemons ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:17:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want this to be true so badly.
NihiloZero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:33:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snoke is a smokescreen. He's playing the role of Dooky/Grievous while actually working for Luke.
Dolphinlord99 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:36:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What are those weird crystal foxes? Do they have any bearing on the plot? Is there already porn of them? I know the answer to one of those questions.
Bexirt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:01:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the fuck?
Aggie_15 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:38:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shit Lord Voldemort is back. Run airy!!
keenynman343 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:39:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you think Luke is talking about his dad or kilo??
Max-Max-Maxxx ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:39:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo I think
TrumpImpeachedInJuly ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:43:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think Kylo's hesitation leads to Poe catching up and clipping his wing causing his shot to misfire
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:44:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rian Johnson sent out a tweet saying we should just watch it.
As long as his account isn't hacked or something (lol) I expect some serious misdirection, seeing that he's serious about not being spoiled.
Exkywor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:43:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That we should or that we shouldn't?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:57:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Click the link. He wrote "FORGET EVERYTHING I SAID AND WATCH IT WATCH IT WATCH IT"
ChanceVance ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:16:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
With all the misdirection and editing of the trailer it's probably not how it'll play out but loved that moment with Kylo hesitating to fire on Leia.
I'm liking the idea of Rey going to the Dark Side and Kylo being the one that fights to bring down the First Order. After all Rey beat him when she tapped into the Dark Side and didn't hold back her anger.
I mean could you redeem Kylo for all he has done by the end of the movie? No but they could make a start. If he idolizes Vader so much then perhaps his destiny is to follow in Grandpa's footsteps and make a heroic return to the light.
Kasuge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:15:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you sure can redeem him. he isn't irredeemable. if anything I can see Anakin/Vader coming back to talk some sense into his relative. His father couldn't, luke can't. who else can at this point? mabye his mother but it's a stretch.
ChrisWubWub ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:29:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if....Snoke is telling Luke to fullfil his Destiny?
NihiloZero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:36:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snoke doesn't tell Luke anything, he answers to him.
CaptSmileyPants ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:46:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't get this talk of there being spoilers in this trailer. Yes there are shots of Rey and Kylo maybe teaming up and Kylo maybe killing Leia but that's the point of a trailer. They're supposed to draw you in and get you hyped and to create speculation that could be right or could be wrong. Also there's no way of shit getting spoiled if you haven't seen the fucken movie.
Watch the trailer if you want to and don't if you don't want too
galaxikk ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:55:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm just surprised we havenโt seen any Laura Dern or Benecio Del Toro
mutually_awkward ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:23:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Laura Dern and/or her doppleganger.
KidTheCurry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:55:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tulpa
canadianbroncos ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:56:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Am i the only one getting a star wars rebels vibe from this ? The porg, ice fox, the shot of in the crystal pyramid looking cave that looks like where they go in the season 2 final for the sith artifact, Rey finding some sort of artifact.
derangedmunkie ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:59:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like we are getting a much darker movie this time around ladies and gents! Haven't had chills like this throughout a movie trailer in a long while :D so god damn excited!
TouchOfClass8 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:13:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My take: Luke is the Last Jedi. Luke refuses to train Rey after what happened to Kylo until is convinced he should. Ia agree with some other redditors that the Kylo/Rey sequence is either complete misdirection or similar to Luke in the cave. It would make zero sense for Rey to turn to the darkside. I'm just not sure what the major twist will be.
F0restf1re ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:17:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I liked the bit with the light saber
thebutterycanadian ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:29:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just want Luke to be a badass. Please make him a badass
PersianImm0rtal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:50:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For real.
repaired-nale ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:38:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Couldn't help but tear up a little at the sight of Carrie Fisher. Rest In Peace princess ๐ข
HK-47b ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:41:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My master approves.
IMMAEATYA ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:47:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, but what about the droid attack on the wookies?
heyfrog ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:55:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Does anyone know what Luke said he had seen before? Rock? Roster?
madbrood ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:58:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Raw strength"
HK-47b ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:29:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unlimited power!!!! Oops, spoiler alert. Meatbags.
heyfrog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:18:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you!
shvelgud ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:27:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So what is the other example of the "raw power" luke has only seen once before?
yyzable ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:30:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo.
shvelgud ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:31:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you kind stranger
Ballster ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:34:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Christmas is on December 14th this year.
Truufs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:01:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My bf :D
ilicccc ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:37:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The major misdirection here is that none of it is actually a misdirection
cb75 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:03:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The whole voiceover telling us what we will get is not what we expect is pretty telling.
RealBaller21 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 08:09:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know if anyone else noticed it, but Poe's line was a bit like the quote from that Republic Trooper in the SWTOR trailer
ForgottenKnightt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:00:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thought the same.
hulibuli ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:59:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wish they would have made Kylo geeting hit in the face with a lightsaber more severe consequences. In TFA it had more impact than several random planets getting genocided, and now it's just a tiny sexy scar.
DrummerSteve ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 10:18:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Icicle foxes confirmed.
ShinyPhasma ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:36:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Alolan Vulpix!
blockpro156 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 10:48:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder if those red caves that Chewie was flying through were on the planet Bastatha, from the bloodline novel.
The caves in that planet were also described as red stone, and big enough to fly through.
And of course, the local crime lord had connections with the First Order.
Also, I'm 99% sure that I saw Kylo fly past a Starhawk-class ship, from the Aftermath novels.
PayForYourGas ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:59:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm glad to see that Kylo is getting rid of the stupid fucking helmet as he's letting go of the past (as in, being a Darth Vader fanboy/cosplayer). I'm pumped for this movie and its obvious the trailer is misdirecting us in a lot of different ways.
jimmyolsenblues ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 12:50:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So we are too assume that Rey and Kylo team up? That can't be what actually happens in the movie.
Coppin-it-washin-it ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:49:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think most of us would agree that the scene in the trailer where she asks for help and Kylo extends his hand Is two different scenes spliced together.
However, Snoke wants Rey so he can turn her. And Kylo wanted her on his side too, however it's still unclear if Kylo wants her to bring to Snoke or if he has his own plans. And Rey WANTS to be trained by Luke but he seems to be rejecting her. What little training she gets from him, he is reluctant to provide.
That being said, his rejection could certainly push her to Kylo or Snoke. She wants answers. However, I don't believe she would team up with Kylo. Keep in mind all that has happened between them. Every time she came across him, he did something terrible that directly affects her. First, he chases her through a forest, terrifying her. He paralyzed her and then took her aboard her ship to torture and mind-rape her. Then he kills her mentor and 1 of 2 people who gave a shit about her, then he seriously wounds the other. Finally, he fights her and tries to take her away.
What I'm saying is, she's not gonna team up with him, but the implication certainly is being pushed in this trailer.
Wawa_Shogun ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:01:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've only seen such raw HYPE once before, it didn't scare me then...IT DOES NOW!!!!!
BanjoSpaceMan ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:30:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Something amazing about surprised looking Mark Hamil when the floor cracks.
He seems to have way more emotion to his character than from RotJ
a_standing_poop ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:55:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That opening quote about raw power is definitely about rey and not kylo.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:03:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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bill2401 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:52:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's talking about Ben solo (Kylo Ren). He felt how powerful he was, but he wasn't afraid until that power was used to destroy his Jedi temple. Now he knows to be afraid when he senses that power in Rey.
JediSquirrle ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:10:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At about 1.25 even the trailer tells you what the new chrismas toy is going to be.
shmusko01 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:50:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Any chance that kylo's attack and the leia thing is misdirection?
What if he's actually attacking Luke in that scene? Maybe Leia feels it too??
lvsnowden ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:52:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's probably not firing on Leia, or even considering it. My guess is he's aiming on whoever did kill Leia.
shmusko01 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:59:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like, what if even that Leia clip is unrelated? What if that's her sensing an attack on Luke?
RomuRaf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah it's probably something like both of you mention. Personally, I think the least likely scenario is the one where he'd actually kill her.
Ottott ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:45:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This. This so much.
rolleneff ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:11:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Skywalker bloodline know momma comes first
kyloren1110 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:35:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
While Kylo and Rey are in different locations in the final scene, he might still reach out to her. Who could it be? Not Luke, right? Leia maybe.
Daftfool77 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:52:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was worried how clunky Leia departure would be, some half arsed excuse and patchwork shots and story but after seeing this I donโt think they are going to pussyfoot around it. It actually looks like itโs driving the story.
Iโd be satisfied if Kylo killed Leia, it would make him so convincing as a villain and more emotive and personal than if Snoke did it (unless he had a connection to the skywalkers we donโt know about) also as a powerful woman it seems like she would only be vulnerable facing her own son.
Whatever happens this is definitely not a carbon copy of ESB but does look a lot darker and complex
KidTheCurry ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:29:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Be careful, Leia's scenes were all filmed before she passed, and the movie was already filmed. So, the movie was made with the intention of Leia being in the next film. I have no idea how they will handle her character in this film and/or the next, but I doubt there was any feasible way to reshoot scenes and restructure entire story arcs to include a "death of Leia" plot.
Daftfool77 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:03:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed but the trailer seems to be playing on a will kylo/wonโt kylo moment when heโs in his TIE fighter
As you said because Carrie Fischer died after it with filmed. I doubt we are going to see a close up death more like an space craft explosion. But I honestly thought it was going to be a something added on the end, not related. Thatโs why Iโm not a screenwriter
I think my fear is her death wonโt be satisfying or it sounds bad but that she doesnโt die and we see her go off into space with no closure
KidTheCurry ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:31:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am with you. I hope Leia is unabashedly killed off screen in an extremely powerful way that even eclipses the death of Han. I am right there with you. She needs to go out with a blaze of glory.
SirOceanNerd ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:10:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought Snoke was saying "For Phil!" towards the end and was like 'who the hell is Phil?!'
cpillarie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:47:15 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
he's hanging out with Private Dustin Echoes
psycopunkr ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:49:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Okay so here it is, my theory after watching the new trailer. Has anyone really considered that Rey is actually the daughter of Emperor Palpatine and they the idea of the Skywalker story actually continues with Ben. After watching the trailer a dozen times through I really think that Rey is Palpatine's child and that the twist in the last Jedi will be that what we thought and wrote theories on is totally false and Kylo is actually the the last Jedi and Rey is actually the second in the theory of two. And in the end of the movie Rey will kill Snoke and become the sith master she was went to be. This goes off a few other theories that say the positions will be reversed between Rey and Kylo. What are your thoughts?
Edit: so after reading all the responses I agree that she might not be his child per say but I still think that it could be his descendant in a way.
causeoffaction ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:18:44 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She seems to have been born after the time of his death, much less the time he would likely have a child. I would also imagine he would keep her around rather than abandon her
psycopunkr ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 00:23:51 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well considering Emperor Palpatine died in Return of the Jedi, he couldn't have kept her. Maybe watch the movies before you reply. And I see you said he died, but that the doesn't mean he couldn't be her dad. The timeline between episode 6 and 7 could mean she is still her dad.
causeoffaction ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:27:18 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't get upset. I was referring to before his death. VII explicitly states that her parents dropped her off. I doubt he would have done that.
psycopunkr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:33:50 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, I'm not that upset and edited my response. I just think that in episode VII she may refer to her parents, but that doesn't mean they are her real parents. I mean Luke and Leia didn't really know their real parents.
edit: Will explain more. There are only 30 star wars years between the RTJ and TFA, and no offense to Riley because she doesn't look 30 but this could still be Emperor Palpatine's daughter and she is 30 in the first movie.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:26:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would be refreshing and taking a risk.........which is exactly why Disney won't do it.
Mrpoedameron ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:31:32 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They killed off the entire crew of Rogue One....
psycopunkr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:07:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I do agree that Disney would not take this risk, but there has been confirmed proof that the writers for the new series have said that this will no be the same Star Wars. This makes me think that we will see a storyline unlike anything we have seen before. I also think this would fit great with the idea from TFA, when they show a spacecraft leaving Rey on Tatooine. As the Jedi left her there so she would not realize her relationship to the dark side. this theory is also based that Luke doesn't really know who she really is, which is the downfall to the storyline, but it would make a great story.
ha7on ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:52:18 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did they freeze palpatines sperm?
psycopunkr ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:19:56 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
well considering there is only 30 star wars years between episode VI and VII then they wouldn't have to freeze it per say. But I mean it is just a theory, not a truth.
ha7on ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:23:32 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They wouldn't? So how would palpy be the dad? Clone? Virgin birth? I mean it is your theory.
psycopunkr ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:30:45 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean Palpatine had her with someone we have never heard of. No offense to Riley but she could be 30+ in the movie although she looks younger. It isn't unbelievable. I don't know if they will play it that way, but the writers did say that this is not the normal Star Wars movie and I think there has to be a BIG twist to make it great, so it would be great to make her a relative of a totally dark side character and make Kylo turn to the light side and be The Last Jedi.
ha7on ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:37:01 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But she isn't 30.
psycopunkr ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:37:44 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
how do you know?
ha7on ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:42:19 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo is 29 and Rey is 19
psycopunkr ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 02:44:09 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean that is from a website and not from the movies. Not saying you are wrong, but could it be possible that the movie will play it differently? I mean that the website could even be updated by people to throw us off from what really happened.
ha7on ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:49:05 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ooookay.
psycopunkr ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:51:03 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's all I'm saying is that it would be a great story for the new movies, although I do agree that it wouldn't be good for the overall storyline.
ha7on ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:40:04 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She was born 15ABY.
m0atzart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:22:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or she's a clone.
psycopunkr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:20:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea, but the clone idea is overplayed as of the newer trilogy and I don't think they would really play off that considering they have said this is unlike any Star Wars we have seen before.
MChez ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:50:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Those ice lynx look baaaaaad af
cronuss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:52:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think they are more like foxes, and they are made of crystal (or crystals grow on them).
UnderwaterDialect ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:20:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The only thing that struck me as a bit weird is that Kylo didn't seem godly in Episode 7. But Luke says that he had a crazy amount of raw power. I guess it just means he hasn't harnessed it yet? That's part of his frustration in Episode 7?
Ottott ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 23:23:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cept for in the first scene when he FROZE A BLASTER BOLT. No one has done that in canon before. The other times we saw him wield his power his insides were literally falling out and he was using the dark side to hold himself together.
UnderwaterDialect ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:07:27 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah thatโs true. Though I took that to be more of a different aesthetic of force powers for a new set of movies, rather than an important distinction. I could be wrong.
RomuRaf ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 11:55:29 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm with you there. I think it was just a "hey, wouldn't it be cool if..." thing. Doesn't really transfer to the rest of the movie in any way.
dewchunks ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:37:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except the part where he forgot to bfreeze cheewies bolt despute the fact he looked at it the whole way and then casyally got beat by two noobs, one wasnt even a jedi
leadhound ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 23:56:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Killing your dad tends to make you lose focus
Ottott ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:00:22 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I already addressed half of your argument and the comment below wraps it up. Reading comprehension.
dewchunks ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:23:02 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Idk i just am a firm believer te villain should always be more powerful than the hero. Especially in star wars the hero always loses their first fight, rite of passage u know :)
Ottott ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:27:01 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't fault you for that feeling. I too favor the Spiderman form of story telling, but in this situation Kylo just had a shit load going on. If not for his emotional and physical distractions he would have waxed Rey almost immediately, but you can't ignore the turmoil going on within him affecting his focus and thus his connection to the dark side.
Antdawg2400 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:06:34 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Obi Wan Kenobi will some how serious the day
sabre21asdf ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:43:46 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do wat
toni9487 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:40:26 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Serious the day, Obi Wan will.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:38:40 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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CptAustus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:39:33 on October 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you look closely, those are newer vehicles, but there are some AT ATs mixed in, and they look tiny.
VextrenGaming ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:40:25 on October 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know about the AT-M6's, I meant the originals for an OT vibe.
PhoneticusRex ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:34:21 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo is reaching out to Anakin/Vader during his burning on Mustafar. Kylo is having a "Force Dream" like Rey in this film and he is reaching out to assist his fallen grandfather adding to this anger and turn further to the Dark Side. Thats why we see what looks like ashes and fire behind him in the clip.
ThisIsNotanExit42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:45:17 on October 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
that would be a bad-ass scene
I-dont-know-how-this ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:32:11 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The music when Rey has the light saber sounds very Vader-y. Heard that on Rebel Cast and thought that was interesting.
Thegreeper43 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:19:44 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was thinking that about the prequels. Nothing was similar to the originals and I had no problems with it. Why canโt they do that with the new films? I didnโt even know there was issues with the prequels until I got older and the latest film came out (Iโm only 22) I was little and I thought it was all cool. But even now I see no issues. But maybe I just donโt know better but I hope they donโt make it like how they did TFA
INTHEMIDSTOFLIONS ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:30:43 on October 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The prequels are so bad
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:35:17 on October 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because the prequels are absolute garbage with terrible acting, writing, and direction. It seems to be a generational thing for those who enjoy them and those who don't. You were a child when they came out, so you have a strong attachment to them.
I'd rather have movies that are slightly similar to the original trilogy (and to be fair, it's called the hero's journey and lots of stories use it) then have some shitty plot based around a trade blockade and Jedis flipping around like they're on crack. Jesus that was awful.
Beyond that, none of the characters outside of Obi Wan were even slightly sympathetic in the prequels. I actually enjoy the cast and characters of tFA and tLJ.
TomassTheTank ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:48:11 on October 21, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But.... the prequels had lots of light sabers! And jedi! And sith. And action
Thats a possitive right?
AnOnlineHandle ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:51:56 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was just listening to the awesome trailer soundtrack from episode 2 and thought the same thing. The PT and TFA might have been flawed movies in their own ways, but each one offered the idea of something new - e.g. seeing a bunch of Jedi actually at war, seeing Anakin and Obi Wan dual, even seeing old Han Solo, an ex Stormtrooper, and a distinctly new droid in BB8.
This new trailer hasn't promised a single new thing and it feels kind of bland for it. It's the same characters, same situations as we saw in the last movie, just seeming more stretched out (Finn vs Phasma, Grumpy Luke on Island, Kylo killing parents, Pilot guy being Pilot guy, etc), and then recycled stuff from the OT (walkers attacking base, chewie in falcon, etc).
I'm really not feeling the hype except for the Snoke/Rey scene, which is the only one that doesn't feel completely predictable and recycled.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 20:39:45 on October 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What are you talking about? The new trailer reveals basically nothing about the plot. How can you possibly make judgments based off of it?
And how are walkers attacking something (you don't even know if it's a base) recycling plot? That's like saying, "This movie had tanks attacking something! That's just like every other war movie!". No shit. Walkers are a common Imperial unit. It would be similar if it was on a snow planet and they were attacking a base that was being evacuated, but...it's not.
Also, how is Chewie flying the ship he owns a recycled element? Seriously?
AnOnlineHandle ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:06:54 on October 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's what I said? It shows nothing new, it just shows the same characters and situations we've seen before, it might be the most uninspiring trailer that I can recall seeing in decades of the star wars franchise.
Gee I wonder why anybody seeing a line of walkers attacking a base with a blast shield which Leia is standing in would worry that the plot might be a repeat of ESB, after how much TFA was a clone of ANH, down to the untrained jedi apprentice from the desert planet who found the droid and anakin's lightsaber practicing with the last jedi who is a grumpy old hermit.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:18:07 on October 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you listening to yourself? A base is being attacked. Ok? That sounds like every movie involving a war. What are they supposed to attack? A McDonalds? Oh hey, there's space fighter combat too! IN SPACE! What a rehash! Do you even think before you type? I mean obviously not with that beyond stupid Chewbacca comment.
And of course there's a master and apprentice dynamic, there were no Jedi left after Episode VI except for Luke.
And lastly, tFA trailers didn't reveal much at all either. That's the point. They're trying to make non-spoilery trailers. Where have you been? That's pretty common knowledge.
BatMatt93 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:38:35 on October 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Whoa, reel it in a bit there buddy, no need for insults when having a conversation.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:45:52 on October 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, that was so insulting. Thanks for the input and go backseat mod somewhere else.
BatMatt93 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:04:37 on October 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
See, why do that? There is no need to be a dick just because your on the internet.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 22:12:43 on October 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
*you're
Hugs.
CRANIEL ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:41:52 on October 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, what a spastic.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:07:18 on October 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did you hear the whoosh of the joke over your head?
CRANIEL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:20:40 on October 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Correcting his grammar then finishing off with the condescending "Hugs"
Comedy genius
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:43:10 on October 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Go Reddit stalk someone else, weirdo.
CosmoZombie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:04:32 on October 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Haha what how is he being hyper by correcting somebody's grammar?
AnOnlineHandle ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:31:59 on October 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus, learn to have productive conversation if you want people to reply. You're not being honest about what I've said and you're screeching your opinion at me with insults. There's absolutely no point replying to you.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:36:06 on October 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not being honest about what? Please, enlighten me. 'cause it just seems like you're taking generalities and warble garbling about how tLJ looks like rehash just to be an ass. If you can't actually reply with content, then it's pretty obvious how far your head is up your ass with all of this. Seriously. A battle scene does not = rehash.
Also, screeching? Yeah...no.
AnOnlineHandle ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:39:25 on October 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:44:50 on October 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Says the guy who used Chewbacca flying the Falcon as evidence of a rehash. -_-
Go watch Rian Johnson's oeuvre and get back to me about how much of a rehash you think this gonna be. Jesus is right...
CRANIEL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:43:19 on October 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bahahaha, the autism is strong with this one
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:08:08 on October 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
With me? For being familiar with a director? Sure thing.
Dandw12786 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 02:15:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The only thing out of place in that trailer was that stupid little bird thing. Fucking why?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:32:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People forget that Star Wars is aimed at children, that's why they had it.
Dandw12786 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:41:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is it, though? Many fans are children, true, but these children's parents were fans of the originals and are now taking their kids, so it's aimed as much at parents as children.
It's a fair enough point, I just thought it was really out of place with the tone of the whole thing. A minor gripe for sure, just thought it didn't belong.
Techquestthrowaway ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:33:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And how old do you think they were when they saw the originals?
We were kids back then too. Few OT fans were already adults back then. Your comparison is flawed
acgregg758 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:49:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think he's referring to the audience of the current movies.
AdamJensensCoat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:44:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To build bird thingie hype with the kiddos. Star Wars is all about merch โย little sqeek hachimal thingie will sell like hotcakes this Xmas. Had to shoehorn it in there to please the toy gods.
sageleader ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:16:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Be prepared for a legion of downvotes my friend. I'd delete now to save the embarrassment
Dandw12786 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:29:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was just tonally off. The entire trailer had a certain tone, then there was this weird thing squaking that didn't fit at all. No deleting here, I'll ride it to the bottom if people are really that petty. I thought it broke the tone of the trailer, if that really makes people that mad I suppose I'll take the downvotes.
the2belo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:00:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, one of the first things people said when they saw the trailers for The Force Awakens was, OH GOD ANOTHER CUTESY DROID SIDEKICK.
the_kraken_queen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:00:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I totally agree. Even if that little bird thing is in the movie, that I can deal with, but the trailer...? No. It definitely messed up the flow of the tone of darkness for me.
Raider-Force ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:38:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
God dammit I respect you.
mikewhoneedsabike ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:47:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Trailer Dialogue
For whoever needs it. Some of the dialogue appeared muffled so I thought I'll write it down:
Snoke (I think): "When I found you I saw raw, untainted power. And beyond that something truly special."
Rey: "Something inside me has always been there. But now it's awake. And I need help."
Luke: "I've seen this raw strength only once before. It didn't scare me enough then. It does now."
Kylo Ren: "Let the past die. Kill it. If you have to. That's the only way to become what you were meant to be."
Poe: "We are the spark that'll light the fire that'll burn the First Order down."
Finn: "Come on!"
Luke: "This is not going to go the way you think!"
Snoke: "Fulfill your destiny."
Rey: "I need someone to show me my place in all this."
The_torpedo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:08:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think Rey is going to attempt to take down Snoke & Kylo from the inside, but fails and becomes ensnared in the dark side herself. Similar to Luke turning (briefly) to the dark side in Legends
NihiloZero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:24:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A throwaway villain line spoken to Kylo --- possibly when Kylo confronts him and learns the truth.
Possibly spoken to Kylo after he reveals the truth to her and she accepts the reality that she is gonna need some serious help explaining the confusion all around her.
Spoken to Rey as a compliment --- actually referring to his own power and the threat his new apprentice poses to him. He may claim he's referring to another's power, but that's because he's manipulating her.
Explaining his own situation as he learns the truth and turns to the light side.
Generic throwaway line to rally the troops.
Another generic throwaway line to rally the troops.
Spoken to Rey as part of his manipulation because nobody expects Luke to be the primary villain.
Probably spoken to Kylo. It could be similar to the Emperor's line spoken to Luke. It may be after he accepts his imminent death and encourages Kylo to kill Luke.
Another generic throwaway line --- probably spoken to Luke as she tries to further her training. But he was planning to train her all along.
JobieWanKenobi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:15:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
might try writing it down correctly if you're doing it for others...."untained"...."strenght"
mikewhoneedsabike ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good catch. Fixed it.
Vito_Cornelius ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:55:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Assuming we haven't been misdirected (which we absolutely were), I think Kylo is going to back out at the last minute and refuse to fire that kill shot on Leia's position, which will make him defect from the First Order. I think his wavering sense of purpose is solidified by the short bit where he looks at his helmet and smashes it in the wall; this doesn't look like another temper tantrum of his so much as it does a consideration (gazing at the helmet) answered by rejection (smashing it into the wall). And then Rey will undergo that torture and Snoke's words will get through to her, and while she won't go dark, she'll be confused. Luke's no help in this clarity she desires due to his own apparent lack of faith in the Jedi way. So she meets Kylo and he's like, "I'm hella confused." And she's like, "me too, I need someone who can show me my place in all of this," and he's like *extends hand "let's find out together" and they go off and become grey Jedi in the third movie. That would be pretty dope.
EDIT: added part about the scene with Kylo and his helmet.
vhiran ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:01:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
seems legit. how does she escape snoke though, luke saves her? he has her dead to rights, like if luke tried to take on palpatine in ESB instead of vader. he'd have been smoked easily.
Vito_Cornelius ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:04:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's a good question. I'm not sure, I don't think anyone has enough info to accurately speculate on how she'll get out of that situation but I can take a stab - Kylo frees her on his way out: maybe that scene where he gets angry looking at his helmet is happening simultaneous to Rey's torture, and maybe his consternation at knowing what is going on in a few rooms over from him combined with his wavering sense of purpose in the First Order sends him over the edge and he frees her from Snoke's grasp and they take off. Snoke probably wouldn't sense this coming and if he did, we don't have any evidence that Snoke himself as exceptionally strong in the Force yet.
johndelvec3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:02:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How tf would that go into the 9th movie. Sounds exciting though
Vito_Cornelius ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:08:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You'd still have the entire First Order and Snoke to deal with (presumably).
iamthewallrus ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:10:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
God fucking dammit I am crying like a mofo because my uncle who was a Star Wars fan died on Friday and didn't get to see this. Fuck fuck fuck fuck I hate everything
styxracer97 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:48:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry for your loss. I know what it's like.
loveandmonsters ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:37:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
His Force ghost will be watching, trying to convince Sir Alec that it's a decent series...
iamthewallrus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:06:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you, this really calms my heart right now. I feel like I'm falling apart.
surfwax584 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:38:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
โrejoice for those who transform into the forceโ sending positive vibes
GetEquipped ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:15:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So, here's what I think;
Luke is training Rey and he tells her "Nope, not doing this again, go away"
Snoke sends Kylo to kill Leia, can't do it, he forsakes him.
At this point, Snoke abducts and Force tortures Rey for a new apprentice; while Finn is brought back into the First Order, and either as a propaganda move paint him as a double agent/spy hence the officer clothing.
Kylo then attacks the ship to get back at Snoke, busts Rey out, and tells her "Luke made me what I am, and Snoke used us. Screw these old guys and their agenda, let's just team up and take them out."
No more Jedi, but no more Sith.
But this is just me huffing paint and speculating.
daveyc48 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:56:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like this theory, seems more than plausible.
GetEquipped ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:08:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, after rewatching it; Luke might turn over to the Dark Side and Kylo and Rey team up to "redeem him" (Or take him out.) to set up for Episode IX
I say this because Luke mentions how afraid he was of a person's power. How it flashes back to the destruction of the temple and his exile shows anger and bitterness. He's holding onto what happened. Even blaming himself for the death of the Jedi and Han.
It's shown that Luke has tapped into the Dark Side before (He force choked a pig guard, tried to blast Jabba in the face, and was about to decapitate Palpatine)
Snoke might just be a red herring of a villain since in interviews the production crew (Producer, Writers, Director) have said Snoke hasn't been seen in the previous movies. Meaning if he was the big bad with no lore or story attached, it may feel out of left field. Now, if Luke takes out Snoke ascends as a Dark Lord; with Kylo and Rey thinking "Oh shit, we're responsible for this" (Kylo for sparking that hatred and Rey for seeking him out) it sets the stakes and audience investment for the last part.
daveyc48 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:09:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think youโre on the right track with Luke, maybe not a full on fall to the far side though. Remember he was tempted in ROTJ but managed to hold himself back. I think heโll certainly embrace a neutral point of view in the force, which is maybe what sets him against Rey and Kylo?
Snoke is looking more fleshed out than the emperor in ep 5, heโs got to be the big bad
GetEquipped ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:19:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you recall, he took a swing at Palpatine and Darth Vader stopped him.
It was only after he tapped into his emotions where he was about to kill Vader until the Emperor spoke. (IDIOT once you make the sell, shut your mouth!)
I don't know about Snoke, we'll see.
After watching the trailer a 3rd time to pick it apart; I think Kylo reaching his hand out with the fiery rubble is part of Luke's recollection or Force Vision he shows Rey. (As we see Luke's hand coming out of the destroyed temple followed by a wide shot of him in the foreground looking at ruins.)
To be honest, I personally would rather have Luke fall to the Dark Side in attempts to save Rey and/or Kylo and tie back into a redemption story like the original trilogy. Derivative, yes; but definitely an emotional experience for the audience.
I'm also big into wrestling; so I'm a sucker for seeing these Face-Heel turns and back to Babyface through actions
But that's enough speculating for me; I'll just go watch it in two months instead of getting my hopes up of Dark Luke (And Mara Jade)
GuitarGuy93 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:03:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds good to me!
spankymuffin ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 11:12:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hahaha what spoilers? It's a generic trailer where a lot of stuff happens, but everything is out of context. Kinda just to hype people up about the movie without actually revealing anything of substance, at least as far as the plot goes.
jar45 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:00:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I took Rianโs quote to be the case of โIf you tell someone not to do something, itโs gonna make them want to do it moreโ
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:26:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There was a tweet of his last night saying to go watch it lol
MoorMarch ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:34:39 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Am I the only one desperately hoping that kylo doesn't get a redemption arc?
Ralph-Hinkley ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:43:38 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just wonder how he got his mask back.
UberMcwinsauce ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:02:51 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd assume he can easily get a new one made if he ever loses one
rbarton812 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:47:38 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
After the end of Ep 7, he found it floating around in space and picked it up like a stray hitchhiker.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:05:17 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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LightningSaix ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:37:04 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As if 7 being a retelling of 4 with worse characters (but some really cool ones!) wasn't foreshadowing enough. No way they aren't just making this as formulaic happy ending hero always wins story as they can. They want as broad mass market appeal as they can, and copy / paste hero journey is very popular with the populace.
What i was hoping for out of 8 is that after confronting Han, Kylo is free from the conflict in his heart and has fully embraced the dark side and we get rid of the angst, rid of the temper tantrums, and he becomes this cold, calm, collected badass sith, and his family and former friends have to deal with the fact there is no redeeming him. The trailer makes this not look to be the case though.
mediumlikecincinnati ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:00:38 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would rather he becomes that grey jedi everyone is whispering about
mutually_awkward ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:08:47 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is no such thing as a grey Jedi. Either youโre a Jedi or not.
jagfanjosh3252 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 02:00:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Link for those without Twitter
http://www.fandango.com/lastjedi
rugger62 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:09:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
or the Youtube link
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 19:12:04 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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deftPirate ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 19:57:47 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tbh, that'd really turn me off. Don't get me wrong, I'd like to see Luke throw down with some epic Force mastery/lightsaber dueling, but not just to be sensational, and much less to kill himself afterward.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:12:27 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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deftPirate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:18:24 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's so easy to get lost in all the potential awesome waiting for us in December!
hammuhshloggin88 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:14:30 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AS cool as that would look, I think it undermines Luke's arc from the OT. He's already resisted the Dark Side, and this would be treading over old ground.
But a badass scene of Luke storming a First Order stronghold solo? That would be nuts. To see Luke excel as a Jedi master (something we haven't seen yet).
UberMcwinsauce ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:55:02 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke suddenly killing himself really doesn't make sense. I would see it more as him telling Kylo that he should have known better ("you of all people," oooh what is he referring to??) and then just leaves.
OneMoreLastChance ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:19:31 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd watch.
whelps09 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:02:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://youtu.be/wO8jpo5E48Q
Spicy-Banana ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:09:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reylo fucking confirmed!
girlseekstribe ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:12:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I found my people
NikoNub ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:49:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm not a massive Star Wars fanboy. I enjoy the movies and have ever since I was young. But by no means get crazy about any of it.
But am I the only one who still gets chills when hearing even a snippet of Williamsโ original score?
blalkr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:43:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I never saw any of the movies until I did a marathon before The Force Awakens came out, so zero nostalgic feelings, and I actually cried in the theater when the music started and the letters came on.
MeatTornado25 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:53:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
what do you think
Drzhivago138 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:49:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's based on JW's original themes, but the trailer music is always done by some other company. Usually it boils down to a guy in a booth with a keyboard and a lot of synth patches.
AggressionSsb ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:55:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rey being evil would be good for the series.
vhiran ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:59:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
good for merchandising too.
AggressionSsb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:05:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Could you imagine the butt hurt fans though. There might be a lot of backlash.
vhiran ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:12:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Equal opportunity I says! Women can be brave heroes!! (they can also be depraved villains)
That said she's stuck with Snoke, like if Luke tried to take on Palpatine in ESB, he'd have gotten destroyed with no escape. The only way out of that situation for her is probably Luke showing up.
Rocky323 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:30:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, no it wouldn't. What would be good, is Kylo STAYING evil instead of being redeemed like some people in these comments want.
UltraSupertron ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:15:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They seem to be way more liberal with showing off CGI characters and landscapes, which I'm totally down for.
onimi666 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:18:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone else's brain feel like it's melting everytime they watch this, or am I just having a Snoke?
zenmunkey ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 10:08:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jar jar is snoke. Pass it on
Ottott ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:09:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What follows is the disconnected musings of a mad man who's life has been influenced by Star Wars far too heavily.:
We are going to see Rey's training with Luke take a turn towards stagnation due to his fear of training her after what happened with Kylo. We will get more background on what actually happened at the Jedi Temple when the order was destroyed. Pretty confident Kylo spared her during his siege of the Jedi Temple, and he was the one who left her on Jakku. Kylo will reveal something to her on Ahch-To. I think this is going to be a familial connection. They seem to be Brother and Sister, Jaina/Jacen Solo parallel is too strong to ignore, however, I think we will see Kylo in a redemption arc and Rey "falling" to the dark side as a reversal of that arc from Legends. Kylo is the only one who is concerned in TFA about "a girl" on Jakku. He also lobbies Snoke to bring her into the fold as opposed to destroying her outright. In TFA he never truly attempts to kill her.
Rey will look for answers with Kylo and Snoke to find her place, and when Luke says "This is not going to go how you think." He is speaking to both her and Kylo as they leave him together.
Her fall will come in the form of possession by Snoke. He will transfer his essence into her powerful force using body, so effectively Snoke is still the primary antagonist. Kylo will feel used and discarded by Snoke at this point and this is the start of his path to redemption. I doubt he is the one who fires the killing shot on Leia's ship, and instead the scene we were given is cut to be misdirection. I think he will kill the pilot responsible for killing his mother, and not be the one responsible for her death.
In the 3rd movie we will see Kylo and Luke on a redemption crusade paralleling The Return of the Jedi. Luke will most likely sacrifice himself to save the two of them by the end of the trilogy paving the way towards future movies devoid of the original cast.
My guess is Poe is force sensitive as well. His pilot skills are extraordinary, and the canonical fact established in the comics that his parents were given one of the two force sensitive trees Luke and Poe's mother liberated from one of Palpatine's secret research facilities after RotJ.
Snoke may be a new character. The aftermath books lead me to believe this, but I do hold out hope that he is a Palpatine clone that ole Palps transferred his essence into prior to death moments before the Deathstar exploded. His disfigurement would be the result of the cloning process being rushed/unfinished at the point of death resulting in his need to essence transfer into a younger stronger body.
We're gonna be left hanging in the final scene with a possessed Rey with Sith eyes. Calling it now.
Edit: One word.
Ottott ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:11:22 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/u/mrdude65
MrDude65 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:16:17 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't see Disney going after the possession arc. I think the more practical result of Rey meeting Snoke is death. She's untrained, and he is the ultimate embodiment of dark side force power at the moment
Ottott ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:20:23 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How is death more Disney-esque than possession leading into being saved?
MrDude65 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:24:11 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because they've already shown they're comfortable with death. Possession is something best left to the old EU, which Disney will try and distance themselves from here.
Ottott ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:26:22 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of Original Trilogy characters. Not their new main characters they are building a world around.
MrDude65 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:31:12 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Either way, I think possession is definitely off the table. There's nowhere except the old EU where a character can siphon off the power of another.
I think in a dark chapter of the darkest trilogy, we'll see Rey die. No "I'm your father" type defeat, just an actual punch to the gut.
Ottott ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:33:14 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think you know what possession means. He isn't siphoning power. He is inhabiting her body. It will then be the quest of Kylo and Luke to free her from this entrapment. They will 100% NOT kill Rey.
MrDude65 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:36:05 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Either siphoning or possession (I do know the difference, was just also echoing some previous theories that he would 'take' her power) will not happen. I absolutely guarantee Disney to leave that to the realm of fan fiction.
Ottott ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:42:04 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Guess we'll find out on the 17th. My money is on the possession route. They haven't been distancing themselves from the EU at all honestly. Kylo is a total analogue to Jacen Solo, and quite a few elements of the EU are adapted in Rebels and other recent material.
MrDude65 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:50:09 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For sure! Very excited for the movie!
fasnoosh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:58:19 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
RemindMe! December 17, 2017 "was this theory right?"
CoffeeCannon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:47:42 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would enjoy Poe being force sensitive but that being the extent of it.
FourEyes4Cade ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 02:26:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone else getting major Empire 2017 vibes?
Walker attack, dark lord entering base with white-clad toadies
Protagonist finds old hermit master, who refuses to teach her
Protagonist gets tortured by dark lord
Parent/child showdown
Dark lord's apprentice holds out hand, offering help (Rey-Kylo sibling connection confirmed)
Other protagonist gets captured
Seriously, they not learn the first time around? That or Disney got smart and is just playing with us.
Darth_Metus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:22:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most of the stuff you listed happens in AotC too
Kirillb85 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:00:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm convinced from that trailer alone we're getting The Empire Strikes Back 2.
They're going to make their money regardless. Look at the hype.
Being unoriginal is the safe option.
The only thing I can promise is that it won't last the test of time like the original movies.
lmurphy213 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:17:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nope, just this cesspool of wannabe Star Wars fans. Literally everyone is pumped.
CaptainJAmazing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:43:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This makes no sense at all.
FourEyes4Cade ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:53:14 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, it does.
Remember Empire Strikes Back? Right after Luke loses his hand? Vader offers his hand to Luke, and drops the most unexpected twist in movie history.
We all know Disney doesn't have the stones to take any risks with trilogy entries, just look at TFA. TLJ is going to be a copy paste remake of ESB. The writing is on the wall.
CaptainJAmazing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:03:02 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, I'm saying that it doesn't confirm shit. They could just as easily be cousins, for starters.
Yeah, there was totally an enormous all-out space battle in ESB.
dev1359 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:00:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck
maximumrocker ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:01:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ALL MY HYPE!!!!
billothy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:01:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Now this, is a trailer!!!
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:01:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
THAAAAANK THE MAAAAKER!!!!!
i_hate_toolbars ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:01:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No Rey..
NO
chocboy87 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:08:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes Rey..
YES
bipbophil ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:12:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
do IT
theredditoro ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:01:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good trailer. Footage looks fantastic.
ThaddeusJP ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:01:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy god literally 20+ postings of this in the first min.
gold3ngun ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:02:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luckily I'm a Bears fan so I was ready :)
username1012357654 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:04:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm so sorry for you
gold3ngun ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:05:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Go Cubs
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:02:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It looks amazing but Ill be upset if they showed how Leia dies. I doubt thats how it happens but I'd just be mad if they decided to show that in a trailer.
Trumpologist ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:02:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I NEED SOMEONE TO SHOW ME MY PLACE IN ALL THIS
systor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:09:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We are become hype.
DoubleDrive ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:17:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Row 3, seat 12 at the local theater is your destiny.
euric ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:02:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just wanted to pay respects to the moderators having to deal with the thousands of duplicate trailer posts.
F
wojovox ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:04:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm excited to see more of this penguin looking thing moaning with Chewy.
Musicki ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:32:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's called a Porg and it looks adorable! I bought a Funko of one recently.
HK_Urban ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:04:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What was with Jar Jar Pengu next to Chewie?
Bexirt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:02:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A PORG
LordJournalism ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:04:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have no words. Iโm legit shaking right now. I canโt even fathom my own excitement. Jesus man.
cricketfluffernutter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:21:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs just a fucking movie dude. Youโre โshakingโ?
LordJournalism ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:22:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Youโre on the wrong subreddit, dude.
This is why I hate when r/all leaks.
szeto326 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:04:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HOLY SHIT
Supreme_Youngling ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:05:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is going to be fucking dark.
ToastyPappy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:05:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Zoinks Scoob, it's that spooky Snoke dude
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:05:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jub jub!
j1m3n3zx ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:05:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/998/416/116.gif
JonSnow33 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:05:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snoke is talking to Rey at the beginning of the trailer
meppsman ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:06:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
IM SO HYPED
SewerLad ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:06:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
WHAT THE FUCK RIGHT NOW?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:06:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
OH MY GOD
TypeExpert ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:06:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just breathe.....
thermiteguy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:15:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
wHAT IS AIR?
morroIan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:07:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit................. that is all.
missasia7 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:09:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That last scene with Kylo and Rey!!!!!!! December, bring ya ass!!!!
alreadytimber ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:09:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
WHO THE FUCK IS REY??!! WHERE ARE HER PARENTS??!!! I NEED TO KNOOOOOOW!!!!
le_Captain_Asshat ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:09:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo to Rae: "did we just become best friends?"
qwaserlink ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:09:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm so hyped for that fluffy boi with chewy
IronKnuckles64 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:09:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The fact that what I'm most excited about in the last jedi is Rey, Fin, Kylo, Snoke, shows what a great job the Force Awakens did.
Intergalactic96 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:09:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope we see more of the Knights of Ren
Zskillit ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:09:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That Kylo and Leia scene... wow, that was emotional to watch. Well done, even if that isn't really what will happen.... and if you think the ending was a spoiler, c'mon man. We all know Luke will be the bad guy. That was simply a dream sequence where she is trying to"find herself"or some shit.
ProdigalTrev ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I doubt it. He seemed kind of down and out and frustrated. But not bad. Looked like he was training her.
Zskillit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:32:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Youre right. After reading everyone's ideas I actually believe Rey and Kylo trade roles at some point.. He will become the savior in this story at some point and Rey will go to the dark side.
unclebeard ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:09:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Chewie needs the cuteness of a porg co-pilot to fill the void in his heart. Like the void in Han's chest.
Eric77TA ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:10:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
His eyes. There's something wrong with his eyes.
MuayThaiJudo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:50:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
CGI touch up.
_iPood_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:11:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
GODS I WAS SNOKE THEN
EtticosLebos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:13:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FETCH THE FORCE RING STRETCHER
JustMy2Centences ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:12:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not Star Wars without the Millennium Falcon spinning through an impossibly tight place whilst being chased by TIE fighters.
Mrsheepshagger ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:12:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That overhead shot of Kylo with the troopers behind him at 11 seconds in, could Kylo be at Vader's Castle on Mustafar? Looks like hardened lava to me. Also, Luke said it the best. "This is not going to go, the way you think!" It fit so perfectly, given what the end of the trailer shows.
not_chris_hansen_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:12:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Spoiler even though no one has seen the movie"
Rocket80 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:13:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly - anything we call a "spoiler" could easily just be misdirection.
Cptcutter81 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:13:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My money's on Luke turning out to be a "Fuck everyone, burn it all down and start again" character in the end, it would fir with how Hamill's described his dislike for Luke's path in the trilogy, and why he sort-of just fell off the universe for a while there.
abductodude ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:13:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It looks fucking great. So many misdirections and things of the sort.
I almost think Kylo Ren will come back to the light and Rey will turn to the dark.
I also noticed that when Rey raises out of the water in the cave and Luke is standing there, she almost looks prepared to fight, as if Luke is about to attack. It could also be a part of her training, though, so I am not sure.
My mind is in shambles.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:13:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:14:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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garrettfinstad ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:14:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I will
ondoj ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:14:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think Snoke was talking to Rey the whole time. You can clearly see his yellow robe as he's trying to get inside of her head at 1:59. Could have been the dialogue from that scene made to look like it was said to Kylo
WokeUpAsADonut ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:14:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think that super obvious end misdirection absolutely is due to the big difference in lighting. One is lit very evenly, the other has a very dark half of the face
CMDR_Trevor ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:14:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But what about the droid attack on the wookies?
relvant_usernam ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:15:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have a fan theory:
This movie is going to be amazing
ExtremeSour ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:22:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I seriously cannot get over how amazing the score is. I'm going to watch it several times just for that.
toddstrong ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:22:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
John Williams killing it as usual.
vforbatman ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:22:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The apparent 'spoilers' plus Rian Johnson comments scream misdirection to me
Isperia165 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:23:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I avoided every spolier, every trailer, every picture that came out for the last movie. This time I am going to watch them all.
GratephulBBQ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:23:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So, the AT-ATs have hands and are walking on their knuckles like gorillas and are approaching a cliff side. We're going to see them go for a climb. Should they be Mountain Terrain - Assault Transports (MT-ATs)?
tomdec1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:26:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AT-M6, or All-Terrain Megacaliber 6, is the official name.
deftPirate ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:34:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're already called AT-M6s
bionix90 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:35:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think they can climb strait up. Isn't the gorilla posture so that they can handle the recoil from the big gun on their backs?
JoJoXGamer ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:24:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me during the entire trailer
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:25:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm calling it, Rey goes to the dark side maybe a little in this movie but is redeemed in the third. Luke looks afraid of her raw power, that scene with her cracking the ground below apart with force was sick. She might even fight Luke, that short part at the end of the trailer of her standing up looks likes she facing him off.
It could all be misdirection though like they did with the first films stuff and we could all be wrong.
bionix90 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:30:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's definitely a misdirection.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:36:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure itโs all misdirection. Why give away so much of the plot?
Oragala ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:25:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ICE WOLVES??!?!?!!!!!
glswenson ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:26:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So The Last Jedi means Rey leaves Luke to join the dark side and Luke is the last Jedi remaining? That's what I'm taking from it. I think she will stay bad and Kylo will be redeemed, just like his grandfather.
ZebZ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:28:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's confirmed "Jedi" here is plural.
glswenson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:29:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well then one better materialize out of thin air because I don't think Rey is going to remain a Jedi. Unless Kylo capitulates to the light side by the end.
ProdigalTrev ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:30:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, no.
glswenson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:30:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What do you think Is going to happen?
EzzenTv ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:35:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except the title in Spanish is "Los Ultimos Jedi" which implies plural so I don't know about that.
glswenson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:36:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That could also be a mistranslation? I mean look at some translated movie titles. They aren't always accurate. Just based on that scene at the end I think Luke will be the lone light-sider at the end.
EzzenTv ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:38:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is true.
There has also been a lot of theories saying that Kylo will go to light side so it isn't 100% confirmed that Rey is going to darkside from that. But absolutely possible. I just think its too early too tell still.
glswenson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:40:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My thinking is that Kylo is obsessed with becoming Darth Vader and living up to him. What happened to Vader at the end? He killed the emperor. Logically Kylo has to be redeemed to complete that arc.
EzzenTv ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:42:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah that is kind of my theory too but I could see it happening in multiple ways.
glswenson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:43:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also based on what Luke said about seeing this power before and not being scared back then, makes me think of how he fearlessly confronted Palpatine. Maybe Rey is either his creation through the Force or his offspring? I don't know, but I could talk about Star Wars theories all day.
EzzenTv ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:44:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yeah so could I. Love this stuff.
I actually am still trying to decide who he is talking about. Could be vader and could be kylo. Palpatine could work for it too.
NihiloZero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:41:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No. Luke seems to be the last Jedi at the beginning of the movie, but then is revealed to be a power mad dark side user. Kylo and Rey both end up on the light side and fight Luke in episode IX.
glswenson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:48:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would accept that.
shmimeathand ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:26:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Im feeling emotional over how much I love kylo, yโall.
noah101 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:29:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is going to be the best shot Star Wars movie ever. The shots in the cinematography in the trailer looked awesome.
deadyounglings ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:35:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can we talk about Snoke torturing Rey?!?
coolhatguy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:41:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"not a force user"
BenSolo12345 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:42:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, that theory is now 1000% DEBUNKED.
coolhatguy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:21:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"your snoke theory sucks" - condescending pablo
caveman_chubs ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:43:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Porg!!!! โบ๏ธโบ๏ธโบ๏ธ
Praughna ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:45:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do we still think Rey is a Skywalker? No, I don't think so anymore.
NihiloZero ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:42:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She probably is. That's why the map rolled up to her and why she found Luke's lightsaber. Luke was responsible for all the events that transpired in TFA. Everything happened according to his design.
Aedeus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:46:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo with a facial scar just like his Grandfather, piloting a ship reminiscent of his Grandfather's in RotS.
I expect many more Anakin / Vader call backs throughout the film.
BOBULANCE ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:46:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I never knew it was possible to be sexually attracted to a movie trailer.
Shamear ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:46:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Need a gif of Kylo trying out that good ol' spinning trick like his grandfather before him.
elytargaryen ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:47:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really love how dark and eery this looks.. and all that red!! The dark side will prevail this time.. evil Rey confirmed?
Texaz88 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:14:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope so....Love it when the baddies win
theender44 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:48:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's all a misdirect, including the director telling us not to watch. All of it. They're setting up massive story differences than what we expect.
PoorMrX ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:48:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fulfill your destiny... heard that before. Palpatine to Anakin. Palpatine to Luke. Vader to Luke.
FrankieFishsticks ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:49:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think Kylo is extending his hand to Leia
tubzthacat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:55:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree.
ti_ni-po_ni ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:49:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wish they could make the script less cheesy
Naxil_Cole007 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:50:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interestingly, nothing about Luke wanting to end the Jedi that was mentioned in the last trailer was mentioned here.
magicchemisteb ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:51:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have so many questions! Like, where the fuck was Matt the radar technician?!
Texaz88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:03:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Union mandated lunch break
Volkor3_16 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:52:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This trailer seems to provide visual spoilers and so much misdirection that all I can think is I have no damn answers and SO MANY MORE QUESTIONS!
Weacron ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:53:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shout out to Fin giving props to TR-8R by using his weapon.
Asidious66 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:57:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Misdirection or not, one thing seems clear. Luke is fucked up.
mateogg ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:00:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Since Rey being so naturally talented with the force was a bit of an issue for me, the idea of her not being the only one, but her and Kylo Ren both being equally gifted, works for me very well. I'd rather we didn't have any 'chosen ones' at all, but this is much better than Rey being the chosen one of the trilogy.
Also I don't know wtf is going on with Finn but I kinda love it.
Episode VII might not have been the best Star Wars movie, but watching this trailer made me remember that Rey, Finn, and Poe are my favourite characters to come out of this series (with the huge note that I'm not exactly an expert on any sort of expanded universe stuff).
WeylandCorp4 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:10:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously though Rey needs to be nerfed a bit
LetsGoChuckTaylor ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:00:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
THE TIME HAS COME. AND SO HAVE I.
anon_5180 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:00:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But whats the creature at 1:33?
twat--waffle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:13:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
a Porg.
Musivino ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:00:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So Luke clearly dies, and then becomes a force like ObiWan in episode 4 to... Ray? KYLO?!
Fragzilla360 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:06:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He doesnโt clearly do anything of the sort.
Musivino ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:10:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well itโs hyperbole and Iโm excited. Sorry!
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:02:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo is definitely not killing Leia (in the trailer scene at least). If you look behind her, the crew is way too calm if they were about to die/were in a battle
for_the_revolution ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:17:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It could be some force sensing, something only she could feel.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:20:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure that's what it is, but i'm just saying at THAT moment, its not coming. It could also be another scene with her sensing something happen to Luke. She felt him still living when the Death Star 2 exploded, and She felt Han go. Maybe she'll feel Luke go???
for_the_revolution ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:29:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Totally agree with you, it could mean anything at this point. I'd put my bet right now on her reacting to Luke's death, like you're saying.
Mail540 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:04:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is it just me or did the AT-ATs look like they were knuckle walking the front feet looked different?
Red_coats ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:05:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I read somewhere they have the nickname of Gorilla walkers or something.
MrMarkZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:10:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.polygon.com/2017/8/23/16194110/star-wars-last-jedi-at-at-walker
UpvoteIfYouAgreee ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:08:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Does anyone else still want Finn to become a jedi?
WhiskeyintheWarRoom ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:08:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know we're all excited for Luke, but I just can't take my eyes off Oscar Isaac. If anyone in the younger cast is going to steal this movie from Hamill, it's him.
for_the_revolution ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:09:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This looks like one of the visually strongest Star Wars movies. There were plenty of frames there that looked amazing.
FROMtheASHES984 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:10:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rey wants training, but is so powerful Luke refuses to do it. Angry and confused, Rey seeks out a darker force to train her; immediately regrets decision, or possibly goes full dark side. Cue Luke and Kylo coming together to save her.
pussyonapedestal ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:10:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The way the music timed with Rey swinging the lightsaber.
Hype = maximum
Dr_Emmet_Brown ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:13:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snokes talking to porg. Heโs the last Jedi.
dworkphone ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:19:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My theory:
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Rey is Snoke
RiseoftheTrumpwaffen ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:22:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snoke is Reyโs deformed twin
TheBatman_Yo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:20:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I need the music in this trailer
commander217 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:20:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That was fucking sick. I only hope that we see Luke do some fighting.
TheMighty8thAirForce ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:22:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo about to fire the cocaine lasers.
ndrisso ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:22:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Already liking the little friend of Chewie
TheChosenJedi ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:23:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm worried about this โcoward Lukeโ idea. It strays from the badass I was hoping he would be.
Baphometronic ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:25:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its not even necessarily cowardly. He tried once, and not only did he fail, his failure has had catastrophic impacts across the galaxy. Just because you are afraid doesnt mean you are a coward.
RiseoftheTrumpwaffen ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:26:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So what will the next trilogy be about?
sageleader ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:33:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably Ortolans taking back the music scene they deserve.
sciencedenton ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:44:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fingers crossed for KOTOR
10037151 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:27:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh my god. The imperial march tease got me. What a cliffhanger.
TheEtherealWalrus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:29:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That scene where Rey cracks the stone and Luke's look of almost horror gave me goosebumps!
Hajikm-26 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:32:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Prediction time. Movie ends with Luke killing Snoke and revealing himself as the bad guy who did everything from behind the scenes. He finally gives in to his inner darkness and takes over the first order. Rey either joins him or is rescued by Kylo.
Episode 9 reveals that it was all a elaborate plan by Luke and the Force Ghosts to bring true balance to the force by getting rid of the jedi and sith system and legacy and creating a new combined aspect of it.
Na, that's too far fetched even for me. My bad guys. My bad.
canopey ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:32:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pivot,
to the grey side of the force.
NihiloZero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:47:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Double pivot... Luke believes himself to be gray, but has gone mad with power and is actually acting in accordance with the dark side.
johnnyseattle ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:33:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was kind of my dark horse prediction that Kylo Ren would kill Leia in this movie, which would in turn make Luke just slaughter him, and ep.9 would be everyone going after Snoke. It's really just a mental shitpost on my part, but there are really a few things in the trailer that could lead there.
It's all misdirection of course, I'm sure, but I'm sticking with it until Dec. 14th. :)
BlueKnight8907 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:34:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here's what I think. Snoke is telling Kylo to fulfill his destiny and kill his mother and when he has a chance to he backs out but Snoke has her killed anyway. This upsets Kylo and he goes back to Luke. Meanwhile Luke does refuse to train Rey as he is scared of the power he sees in her. She somehow gets in a showdown with Kylo where she tells him the bit about finding someone to show her her place. Kylo tries to convince her to go with him back to Luke but Kylo gets hurt again. I don't know why Snoke shocks Rey but they become friends somehow after they talk things out. Honestly I'm just takng a piss with this but the trailer looks bad ass.
yamateh87 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:39:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
REY BETTER NOT BECOME A VILLIAN.
djs200217 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:41:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think Rey and Kylo might end up teaming up in episode IX
mortichro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:06:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
against crazy luke
Arishok1990 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:44:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow,really put to rest my fears it would be an Empire or Return clone. This looks incredibly fresh
xarvous ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:46:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is the Porg mimicking Chewie? That's the most adorable thing that has ever happened.
stupidtyonparade ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:59:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
chewie is cgi, it's not adorable.
char_limit_reached ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:44:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Chewie is not CGI. Heโs played by Joonas Suotamo. Same guy who played Chewie in most of TFA and in the upcoming Han Solo film.
stupidtyonparade ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:54:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
go watch that clip again and tell me he's not cgi. he's cgi in that clip.
ChildColeYeBino ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:49:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
tearing up over here
bangochu ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:51:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can someone tell me why the bad guys are always loaded with crazy amount of army and weapons (including war ships)? Whoโs investing into these guys? I thought the troopers were kidnapped children. Wouldnโt they turn on the bad guys? Btw awesome trailer. This is how big movies should be like, show the trailer 2 months before release date vs show a trailer 8+ months before lol
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:35:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean in the original trilogy the empire was the government. ep 7 establishes that the first order is born from remnants of the empire in the outer rim of the galaxy. I can only imagine they are just using the military.
bangochu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:26:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah I see. Thanks
Bolrwor ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:54:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
noticed that the set that was broken into last year is seen in the trailer
https://imgur.com/a/rSlwr
anormalgeek ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:55:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Giant robot gorillas > giant robot camels
FrankManic ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:57:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
#TeamDarthRey
Honkblarg ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:58:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I swear to god if they kill Luke
NihiloZero ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:49:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're gonna be more pissed when he's revealed as the bad guy behind everything. Snoke is a smokescreen.
Honkblarg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
DOOD NO
Chronoecho ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:01:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The last scene is definitely a misdirection. Here is why I think it is two different scenes:
In Rey's scene, she is talking in a soft and echoing voice and the only reason they would even have an echo in her voice would be to accentuate the fact that she is in a confined space. Cave, stone house, laser tag arena, etc...
Kylo's scene has large balls of flame coming from very high up, indicating a wide open area, with high ceilings or is outdoors. Definitely not the same scene, but this can always be a "Wine in Front of Me" kind of analysis if you wanna go down this rabbit hole far enough.
advertretro ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:02:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Was that a flashback where Luke looks beat to hell?
Spartan17492 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:02:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Does Kylo fly low?
Inceptionzq ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:03:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you guys think that the Bears and Vikings just speculated about the trailer during halftime? Because that would be amazing
jimmyrhall ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:08:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Theory: those shots with Kylo supposedly about to kill Leia are done the beginning of the movie. Not far from the destruction of Starkiller base. Kylo is raging pissed. So much so that he is gunning for his mom maybe a couple days from slaying his old man. He lines up for the shot BUT Leia using he force telepathy talks with Kylo and has him pull back. Heโs torn between good and evil. All movie itโs about him dealing with the light and dark until he turns on Snoke. Rey also turns from Luke and the two band together to take out Snoke in part three... or nine.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:09:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
From what I can see this movie is going to have great cinematography.
I have a good feeling about this.
mercyful_fade ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:10:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke really actin there. That's some shit you don't see down at Toshi Station.
synthetix808 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:37:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"alright guys, make some noise.. coming up on the main stage we've got the power converters"
Falcomster ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:16:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Came here because Kripp.
8bitBrain ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:17:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh boi, I got goosebumps when Phasma and Finn clashed
soPenguin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:32:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At 0:57, is that a school/Jedi Temple destroyed by Kylo Ren?
surfwax584 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:09:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He wouldnโt have the scar if so right?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:37:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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tribunetony ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:56:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If somehow Rey kills Leia then Kylo has to go and convince her that it's not too late to come back to the light I would be excited
euphratestiger ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:38:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Feels like there are a lot of mis-directs in this trailer: Rey and Kylo don't seem to be talking to one another at the end and I wouldn't be surprised if it's Luke talking to Rey about "this isn't going to go the way you think it is".
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:39:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Regardless of what we all believe about how this movie will go... Disney is winning the trailer game, and John Williams is on point af with his music.
m0cl0v ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:42:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So is Kylo gonna kill his mother?
Rey doesnโt know which side to choose?
PM-ME-UR-KNICKERS ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:45:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Officially excited to see what happens now. Itโs 5.45am here in England and I may just jizz the bed
DaStampede ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:51:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The hype got me. I just bought tickets.
rhgolf44 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:54:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm excited for Phasma. She seems like such a badass character. That and I love Gwen Christie.
salaciousbumm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:12:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea she was so badass in TFA.
rhgolf44 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:13:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All 30 seconds until she got dumped down a garbage chute. She was so hyped up for nothing in TFA in my opinion. Really hoping for a lot more screen time in TLJ
tribunetony ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:37:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She's definitely getting the Boba Fett treatment.
rhgolf44 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:38:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hopefully without the death. Sheโs a character I donโt know much about but I want her to survive the trilogy. Iโm just praying her character is well written and holds up to the hype
SevenSulkySerbs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:14:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm cautiously optimistic about her amount of screen time. I fear she may get one, maybe two good fight scenes, but that's about it. Hopefully there will a good explanation as to why she's so special and what she's done to get that far.
I'm also interested in how Hux will fit into things. I'd like to see him be similar to Tarkin or Veers, but I doubt he will get anything more than one or two scenes during the epic planetary battles.
rhgolf44 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:16:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really hope Hux takes a bigger role in this movie. I fell in love with the evil of his character during his speech in TFA. My hype for this movie is so real now that this trailer is out.
SevenSulkySerbs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
With all the other plots going on, I don't see it happening, but I hope I'm wrong. If Hux is supposed to be somewhat equal rank as Kylo, then I really want to see him prove it. Right now looks like all Hux amounts to is a mouthpiece.
Right now I think separating the First Order from Snoke and Kylo would have been a better decision, but then again I'll wait and see how TLJ and IX play out.
tribunetony ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:36:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She was awful in TFA... She gave up the First Order main base in order to save herself. It took her half a second to throw in the towel.
salaciousbumm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:39:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was being sarcasm
She was a let down like the rest of the movie
Mackaf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:28:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Check out the phasma graphic novels. Straightens a lot of it out and great backstort
tealfan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:59:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hopefully, this trailer is just the tip of the iceberg (like with TFA). Come on December!
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:09:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck the lightsaber noises go along with the music! AAHHHHH SO COOL
UnluckyFriedKitten ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:15:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This trailer cost me ยฃ4.99, i ran out of data 9 seconds in and had to top up...worth it.
coolhatguy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:15:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
has anyone contacted smug pablo with snoke not being a force user. he loved to give condescending answers to everyone saying he wasn't
tealfan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:18:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably already discussed, but Rey could also be playing double agent, so to speak.
tealfan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:39:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How we all feel right now: https://i.imgur.com/mZa00xC.jpg
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:12:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like how the one place kylo would actually need a helmet, that is flying a starfighter, he chooses not to.
Mackaf ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:11:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First order actually used life support in their craft unlike the empire
HK-47b ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:36:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Meatbags in danger. Excellent.
ashlati ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:14:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the bandage is the clue. It's gone in the scene where he holds his hand out. It's got to be part of Rey's own Dagobah cave of evil journey. She's confronting Kylo Ren and her own place in the Force
genericname__ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:49:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Porg = Darth Plagueis?
HK-47b ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:31:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes.
Herlock ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:03:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Am I the only one thinking chewbacca looks weird in that scene (his eyes O_o) ?
ordinator2008 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:54:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He really does not look like the same character since Peter Mayhew retired; the eyes, the walk, the movement, it really lacks the characterisation that peter had. It would take the physical acting chops of a classically trained mime or dancer to get the character right, and it seems they just hired a tall guy.
Chewie should be well over 200 years old, yet in half the scenes in TFA he is bouncing around like a spring chicken! If wookies live to be 400 or 500, then Chewie should move like a middle aged man. And also, why no grey hair? we've seen grey haired wookies, is Chewie doing Ms Clairol's "nice and easy"
Herlock ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:56:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He is using loreal new conditionner, that's why his hair is so beautiful :D
LdnGiant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:04:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
hang on I thought Mayhew was doing it? He was at all the premieres for TFA, was in all official cast photography etc. Chewbacca does look a bit weird, but I still think Mayhew is in the suit.
ordinator2008 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:41:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Peter did some scenes in TFA, but now walks with two canes, and cant do a lot of physical stuff, he retired after TFA. I'm glad he gets the recognition he deserves for the character, and seeing someone else do a less great job; makes us appreciate him more, but, they should've found someone who can credibly portray the character, it's more than just filling out the suit!
Some examples of new actors taking over SW roles: Ewan McGregor was wildly successful as Sir Alec Guinness's Obiwan. He really paid homage to the man, and also made the character his own.
David Prowse did a great physical portrayal of Darth Vader, (despite him being a bit of a jerk perhaps) and never got the respect (he believed) he deserved. The DV suit was worn by Hayden in RotS, and I think it worked. It looked cluncky and hard to move in, which would be right for DV at that point in is journey. And when a new actor played the part in RO, I felt like some of the movements were reminiscent of the OT Vader, and some were strange. The more distracting part for me was that the JE Jones voice really didn't sound as youthful as it once did.
But these things are hard to do, performance-wise, I just think, the Chewbacca character has not been cared for well enough by the writers, performer(s) or directors (remember that walking right past Leia bit from TFA after Han's death!?!). And next we'll have to see what happens with the character in "Solo: a Han Solo Story".
ShamChowder ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:13:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did anyone notice that these trailers really emphasizes their hands a lot?
MichaelM_Yaa ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:52:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Watched the trailer 7 times now. I'm really liking the fire visual effects in all of the space scenes!
siphon47 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:57:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you want to turn into a sith because that's how you turn into a sith
DataWave47 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:57:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everybody stay calm!
drewfurion ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:09:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone else notice that Kylo doesnโt have his carbon fiber scar in that last scene? Flashback? Or maybe thatโs one of the opening scenes, and he gets the carbon fiber later?
Tasteful_Dick_Pics ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:18:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or that carbon fiber stuff was like a future band-aid, and his scar gets progressively better throughout the film.
MagmaManOne ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:06:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Force dream sequence?
Tenrac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:34:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am thinking the carbon fiber patch is like a band-aid...so I think those scenes are early in the movie, and then later he has healed and doesn't need it anymore.
JamesBaa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:26:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Might be a Jedi Temple flashback?
Kubrick_Fan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:15:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm only going to see this trailer 4 more times...today
liquorandlife ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:18:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At 1:15 you can see a confrontation with Rey and Snoke, where he appears to be torturing her? (Somewhat similar to Luke and The Emperor)
SammyG94 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:29:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its so RED. I LOVE IT.
OneFunkeeMunkee ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:49:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Flair checks out
Bobert_Fico ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:55:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The AT-ATs walk on their knuckles.
PenMarkedHand ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:27:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
im getting major Zuko vibes from Kylo
grumblingduke ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:14:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I put together a quick album of the new starships (at least the ones I spotted) over here.
Speculating, it looks like the Resistance have some transports, a frigate-thing (backwards Nebulon-B) and a flat corvette, as well as the Raddus.
Seems like there's an evacuation (Crait outpost), with the Raddus in the lead, followed by some support ships and lots of transports, with the Supremacy chasing, picking off the transports.
Speculating, I'd suggest the bombers attacking the Mandator IV-class is an earlier part of the battle; perhaps destroying it to give time for the evacuation (stopping it flattening the base from orbit).
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:24:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gave me chills.
ColdDemise ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:24:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hype!
antiseptic123 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:35:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo smashing his helmet into the wall has to be the part where his conscience gets the better of him and he turns back to the light? Or am I crazy
bostonbruins922 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:50:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No appearances by Del Toro's character or Dern's. Interesting....
Mr_BruceWayne ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:56:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They should have cut the last part off the trailer. It would have been an epic place to stop it with ray being attacked.
RedThragtusk ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:14:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If not in this film, then I hope in ep9 we see Luke going full ham and showing his full power. It's all I need.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:56:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really don't want them to release anymore trailers. No spoilers!! I can't resist watching them if they come out...haha
jimmyolsenblues ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:03:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
MFW Rey is teased to team up with Kylo
Rawrgodzilla ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:09:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But what if!!!!
thingsthatbreak ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:28:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Incredibly excited for this but seeing Carrie breaks my heart.
kylew1985 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:25:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I welled up with big strong man tears.
ShoNone ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:51:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where the fโk is Lando? How can you pass on having Billy Dee- or Donald Glover in makeup- in favor for some shitty CGI alien.
grapevineforge ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:15:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So are people going to be using the word "Raw" to describe the force power in this movie the same way everyone kept calling Kylo's lightsaber "Unstable" in TFA?
edit: added the word "using" because I somehow left it out
ndawgbrown ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:26:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone else admire how good of a pilot they make Kylo look? That's how a force sensitive pilot should look!!
Baron_Porkface ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:49:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll try spinning! That's a good trick!
ndawgbrown ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:15:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Now this is podracing!
Blck_Captain_America ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:11:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder if Kylo is keeping the scar above his eye so he looks like Anakin in Star Wars episode 3
Familyguy35 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:17:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit does anyone else think when he says "Raw, Untamed power" he sounds like fire lord Ozai??
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:21:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, and do you know who voices Firelord Ozai?
Familyguy35 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:31:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HOLY FUCKIN SHIT
I DIDN'T KNOW MARK HAMILL VOICED FIRE LORD OZAI. How am I just finding out about this
coolhatguy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:58:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i guess you can't really divert from it, given the set up from force awakens, but you can't argue there are many ESB similarities
Coppin-it-washin-it ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:44:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's just how Star Wars goes, honestly. History repeats itself in this galaxy, and that's always been a theme. I believe this trilogy seeks to have a plot that finally ACTUALLY brings balance to the force, and therefore the Galaxy.
I mean look at the parallels in TPM, ANH, and TFA. Innocent young person living on a desert planet gets swept into a huge conflict that is impacting the Galaxy. They learn they have the force within them and attach themselves to an older mentor, while making new friends along the way. In the end they are all involved in a big battle involving ship to ship combat where the reactor of a giant ship is destroyed, saving everyone. Also, in each movie the older mentor is killed by the villain's lightsaber.
ESB and AotC. The enemies have renewed strength. The hero loses a limb to the villain. There is a massive battle involving Walkers, ships, and infantry. A female main character and a male main character realize they love each other and share a kiss for the first time. Space Nazis win the day. Expect similar parallels on TLJ.
flingerdinger ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:47:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I do not like how Rey is apparently strong enough to scare Luke. I get that its no longer canon but are you telling me that Luke is weaker than Yoda in the force in Canon now? Weaker than Palpatine? How is Rey strong enough to frighten him?
TheWindWaker01 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:21:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think he's just traumatized from when Kylo betrayed him and killed all of his apprentices. That definitely fucked his head up a bit.
I definitely don't want him to be a pushover though, if anyone overpowers him in this film I'll be seriously pissed.
Ottott ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:43:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My guess is he will be overpowered, but not by a single force user. He will be about to end Kylo and Rey will turn on Luke and stop him due to some revelation of Kylo's to Rey that causes her to change her perception of him. (They are brother and sister. I flesh this idea out in another comment.)
gunnermcgavin ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:09:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just have a feeling Luke was surprised at how strong the force is within Rey who just learned everything on her own in TFA. She actually fought off Kylo's mind probe and went into his mind. Without training!
atomicbeecat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:07:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think Luke just doesn't follow understand the true motives of them hence the fear of the unknown.
WesH8sYou ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:10:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why does Chewbacca look so weird?
KidTheCurry ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:19:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is the eyes. I know this sounds absurd, but I can just tell when Peter Mayhew is in the suit or when the other tall guy is in the suit. Peter is not playing Chewbacca at all in this film, so it is blatantly obvious that it is not him in the eyes. Chewie has a certain way of moving, bobbing his head, and growling. The new Chewie just seems like they hired a big guy to walk in a suit. Sad but true.
RomuRaf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:35:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree Mayhew is a big thing as well, but it's not just the eyes though, it's the whole face being cg I think. Pause the pic a few times :D looks super weird haha.
KidTheCurry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:29:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Whoa. Is Chewie's entire face CGI? Geeez. Why?!
hanguitarsolo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:32:27 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, it's not CGI. Chewie looked basically like that in TFA except that this time it seems to be a more expressive mask. Or it's just the fact that it isn't Peter Mayhew in the costume.
KidTheCurry ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:43:07 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy crap, thank you so much. Honestly, it is the new actor. We apparently know Chewbacca so much that we can tell whenever there is a different actor in the suit. That just further solidifies how good of an actor Peter Mayhew was whenever he played Chewbacca. Wow.
hanguitarsolo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:46:42 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, Joonas seems good (imo), it's just a bit different from Mayhew. But Peter Mayhew will always be the master of playing Chewbacca of course and that's what we're used to
KidTheCurry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:13:41 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are correct!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:18:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just felt like the hair was too smooth lol
TheCrookedGull ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:17:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why is Finn wearing a First Order uniform...
Dragoryu3000 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:20:34 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Undercover mission
TheCrookedGull ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:24:05 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously? How Undercover can he be?! He helped a high level captive escape, defected to the other side, fought multiple high ranking First Order personnel... yet he can just walk in there โunder coverโ? I hope thereโs more to it than that...
Edit: typo
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:06:15 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because there are thousands upon thousands of troops and ships and he was wearing a helmet most of the time?
TheCrookedGull ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:18:04 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finn is also instantly recognized during the battle on Takodana.
It also appears that he is battling Capt P in the trailer, which was his old platoon leader... so even if there was multiple ships to be on, he would be on one where heโd be easily identified.
Granted this is all speculation. I just found wearing that uniform very interesting.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:19:30 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's recognized because that was a former squadmate he grew up with.
TheCrookedGull ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:25:16 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, 9s and his entire former squad was there...
Edit: if that was in fact 9s... that is debated as well
TheCrookedGull ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:09:49 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think youโre over estimating the size of the first order... they are a fraction of the size of the galactic empire.
rjwalsh94 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:10:37 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've seen some people talking about how Snoke may die in this one, or that Kylo needs to die or be redeemed by the end of this trilogy.
X, XI, and XII is going to happen and I-VI developed Vader and Palpatine.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:29:00 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Now I know where my "Widow's Tears" come from.
vexunumgods ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:36:53 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo is speaking to luke, you have to destroy it,if you have to
ChillBro69 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:03:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yo, if Kylo kills both Han and Leia, I hope Rey throws him into a fucking star.
NihiloZero ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:04:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It will be Luke who kills Leia. Another Skywalker who has turned evil and is responsible for the death of his family members.
ChillBro69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:22:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!
FabledConstruct ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 02:17:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh boy, they've shown everything. Finn fights the first order, Luke hesitantly trains rey, but when he sees her power he refuses, and she leaves, finding kylo ren, knowing he would be more willing to teach her. During the final battle, Kylo is going to hesitate to kill his mother. Contrasting this, Rey meets Snoke, who tells her the things we've heard, then uses the force to do something to her. Her allegiance is left in question at the end.
hotmetalslugs ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:19:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed.
-5 for fake chewie. -100 for cutesey baby Ewok hamster
Yawn.
Edit: Downvote me if it makes Chewie look better to you, but other than that, I am right.
Mathyoujames ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:01:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's ridiculous! Why have they blown their load like this
AlbinoNoob21 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 02:53:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The fuk is this piece doing here. HERE WE GO WITH THE STUFFED ANIMALS SALES PITCH. Looking at the Disney people. ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
TheWindWaker01 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:22:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm all for being cynical at the large corporation trying to merchandise everything, but I think they're allowed a certain quota of new creatures to characterize the new worlds we see.
winslowpete ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:29:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I take it you never watched Return of the Jedi
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:40:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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winslowpete ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:42:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
WTF was Jar Jar then??? LMAO
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:46:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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winslowpete ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:50:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not as lazy as that American 50s diner in Ep. 2
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:18:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Am I the only person disappointed that they are re-hashing walkers?
aatencio91 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:19:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Were you disappointed when they "rehashed" them in AotC, too?
misterchief10 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:28:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TBF that was the only part I saw that seemed like a retread. Rey has a conversation with Kylo, and seemingly a civil one. So, no โI AM YOUR FATHER.โ โTHATโS IMPOSSIBLE.โ Thatโs also good because it could show conflict for Rey, something TFA did lack honestly. We see Kylo fighting in a space battle, as well, debating whether to kill someone important to him. Thatโs not a retread of a Vader thing, which is good. Along with that, we see Luke doesnโt want to train Rey, which is totally not like Yoda, who trained Luke pretty willingly.
Obviously this is all just speculation on my part, but overall it does look different at least from what weโve (aside from the walkers, maybe). Love to hear everyone elseโs thoughts.
ijustwanttogohome2 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:22:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You could say the M1Abrams tank is a rehash of all the other tanks before it. They aren't rehashing. They're showing the walkers as they advance and develop. They're still necessary for planetary assault.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:24:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fair point canonically.
Snf4le ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:28:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't know why you are downvoted. It would be bullshit it they just throw away a design they used for many years.
You improve a working system and not throw it away and develop something totally new.
pleasantothemax ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:01:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Big question. Do I want to watch this? How spoiler-y is this?
aaronwashere01 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 02:03:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you donโt want to know anything at all, I wouldnโt watch it
broomsticks11 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Does it reveal a massive plot twist or does it just tease at a bunch of potential spoilers?
mysteryguy360 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:11:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't reveal anything, because it could (and most likely is) a misdirect, but if it is true it would be a pretty major spoiler
broomsticks11 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:18:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wanna tell myself that it's misdirection, but I don't wanna take the risk. It's so hard lol
cman811 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:09:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It teases a couple massive plot twists and reveals some plot regarding Luke
aaronwashere01 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:10:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teases. There is one particular moment with Kylo that isnโt really surprising, I just didnโt want to see it in a trailer and think it would provably be better in theaters
And12ewLuck ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 02:06:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You won't know how spoilery it is until you watch the movie
Lord_of_Aces ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:14:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which, in a way, means it's not spoilery at all.
QuadNip31 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:10:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Meh, there were two moments that could be the spoiler, but to me it looked like they both were intentionally spliced that way to be a fake out.
OneFunkeeMunkee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It raises questions more than spoils stuff. I say go ahead.
Aint_not_a_dorkus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just watch it. The editing is always done in a way to misguide everyone, even though people think they are so smart that they have worked points out. Always happens and always will.
LordJournalism ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:16:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It has the potential to be BvS levels of spoilers or a complete and utter misdirection. View at your own risk.
Steffinily ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:28:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It seems spoilery but how can you really tell without seeing the movie? Everything looks like misdirection.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:18:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's just rehashing Empire Strikes Back, you're technically not seeing anything new.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:03:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dilly Dilly!
CerseisMerkin ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:05:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Whelp, it's pretty clear to me how they'll be killing off Leia.
PofiePofie ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 08:37:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can someone explain to me why Luke needs to die? It's so fucking stupid. I think it would be much more satisfying storywise if he survived the entire three films. As in, didn't die even in the final film. Jesus people stop killing the good characters for shock
Truufs ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 09:55:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah it'd be boring and too predictable for Luke to copy Kenobi from old trilogy. Why not let him survive. There's already too few good guys since they are dying left and right.
MichaelM_Yaa ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 08:41:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i am doubting he will die in this
PofiePofie ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 08:42:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it would be stupid if he died in the next film (episode 9) and returned as a force ghost at the end. I would be pissed. It would be so much better if he just didn't die. It makes no sense for him to die. It's stupid
Thegreeper43 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 00:05:19 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How likely are the chances this is a carbon copy of TESB?
JJ3595 ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 01:08:06 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
higher chances of it being a carbonite copy of TESB.
nobody26 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:52:48 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I doubt it, reason TFA is was to bring fans of the OT trilogy back. It's a really safe movie
CoffeeCannon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:13:30 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I commented this elsewhere, I think they're gradually moving away from the direct parallels but we'll still see a lot of thematic similarities.
It would make sense and be really fun if we get:
-TFA: insane amounts of parallels to the OT, and ANH specifically.
-TLJ: a good amount of parallels to Empire, but diverging story/plot and key differences.
-3rd film: Few callbacks outside of characters and general themes and completely different direction story/plot wise.
footfoe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:48:01 on October 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I doubt 50% of the plot will revolve around the Millennium falcon's damaged hyper drive.
hairydiablo132 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 02:53:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So in part 7 'The Force Awakens" they attack a Death Star that has been integrated into a planet. Now in part 8, they are doing a walker assault on an
iceplanet just like Hoth? That's pretty weak IMO. Is the 8th movie going to feature an attack on an even bigger planet destroying planet?Are they trying to copy the original series? Could they seriously not create a new battle in a new environment?
billiam632 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:42:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really don't see the problem with sequels that also serve as soft reboots. I understand that a lot of people had some problems with TFA but the criticism that it copies from ANH is hardly criticism. I agree that the concept of Death Star 3.0 was lame but the execution and everything surrounding it was spectacular imo.
I'm just saying when people complain about rehashing the same story I want to hear more than just "it's similar!"
Let's be honest. Disney is a company built and exploiting your emotions for financial gain. Best way to do that with star wars is bring back everything we loved and make it better in one way or another. Doesn't make the film bad but I will agree that it's a cheap tactic.
hairydiablo132 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:53:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree. I enjoyed TFA a lot.
I just wish they would take this new universe and make it their own. We've seen the Death Star and Hoth. Show us something new! The first time I saw the battle of Hoth I lost my mind at how cool it was. I'd never seen anything like it.
I'm sure TLJ will be an amazing movie, I'll be there for the first showing. I just wish they used the Star Wars universe to its full potential instead of re-hashing things and battles we've already seen.
I however, can't agree with your statement of "I'm just saying when people complain about rehashing the same story I want to hear more than just "it's similar!" what else do you want? They are literally reusing events and settings from previous movies when they have a literal universe to draw from. Are you telling me they couldn't come up with a better idea than a walker assault on a rebel base for their 2nd movie? When the 2nd of the OT already did that? The first movie had an assault on a super weapon, just like ANH, the 2nd is featuring a walker assault, just the ESB did. How can I expect anything from their 3rd than another attack on a super weapon? Be original! Take a chance! We Star Wars fans looooooooooove Star Wars. Trust us. Show us something new.
billiam632 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:57:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well I get the criticism but I think people just take it too far. Just because it's a similar event does not mean the sequence wasn't cool. But I do see your point about how the first time seeing these things were mind blowing and they totally have an opportunity to go balls to the wall and show us new shit.
hairydiablo132 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:03:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And I agree again, I'm sure the scene will be freakin awesome!
I just wish they showed us something new, instead of using a tried and true formula. With all the technology they have today, it just seems a waste to re-hash a battle we've already seen.
bobafoot17 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:06:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looks more like sand or dirt rather than ice. Shoot, it even breaks up into red clouds!
hairydiablo132 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:28:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True.
But still, "TFA" had some criticism about being a re-hash of episode 6. Starts on desert planet, Millennium Falcon takes us off it and ends up fighting a machine that destroys planets. Both being destroyed after a trench run. In ANH it was a space station, in TFA it was in a planet. Same story different characters.
Now, in the sequel. We are seeing a walker assault on a rebel base. Switch ice planet for sand/dirt planet and it's the same as ESB.
I love Star Wars, I will be there on opening night to see it. Don't think I'm some SW hater. But, really? They couldn't think of something else? The SW universe allows so many different stories, why re-tread something we've already seen? All I can see are member-berries in this trailer.
Why not try and be original and create new battles and situations? It just feels like a lazy nostalgia grab.
Justinwc ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:40:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know what you expect walkers to do.
It's like complaining about seeing an X-Wing or a Tie Fighter.
CaptainJAmazing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:38:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do we know that what they're walking on is a Rebel base?
Darth_Metus ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 03:19:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right? And remember in ANH when the squadron of X-Wings strafed across the lake to attack the Empire?
hairydiablo132 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 03:40:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't say it was a Xerox copy, but you can't deny the similarities.
Tell me, am I talking about TFA or ANH - We go from a desert planet with someone who has no knowledge of force. That person joins a former smuggler and his friend to get back to the rebels. That person learns they are powerful in force. With the intel provided by our rag-tag group of hero's the rebel alliance discovers there is a weapon capable of destroying planets. The Alliance attacks, via a trench destroying the weapon!
Just because there are a few scenes thrown in, doesn't change the fact that the story is the same. If plot points A B C & D are the same, it doesn't matter if you throw in a few extra scenes.
What you are describing could a deleted scene from ANH! It wasn't important to the plot at all. The First Order could've sent an undercover team and kidnapped Rey and the plot would've been the same. That battle was just eye candy. An amazing beautiful scene, but not plot important at all.
Goose_Dies ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:01:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo kills Leia! NOOOOOOOO!
Smallgenie549 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:06:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
After Han, it was only inevitable.
ScagnettiOnScagnetti ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:09:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That honestly might be what happens now since they had change things.
banica24 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:12:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think Kylo kills her. She was suppose to be in episode 9, a lead role even. So she was planned to survive. Probably another misleading fake hype
not_a-replicant ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:01:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's so different in a good way! Ice wolfs!!!
jaloru95 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:01:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
EVIL REY I WAS RIGHT
Sure it was a fake-out but still.
bipbophil ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:16:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well I'm just seing Bastila
AxelGunn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:13:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And Kylo Revan?
bipbophil ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:44:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yah hes a mix between The Solo who went Sith in the EU and Revan
brownmeetsworld ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:02:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hung a turd halfway so the splash wouldn't ruin the sound of this
JodyTJ87 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:02:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, it's beautiful.
Nemisis82 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:03:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snoke is getting some action in this movie...Awesome.
PurifiedVenom ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:16:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Now let's just hope Luke gets some as well
Nemisis82 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:44:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes! That'd be amazing
FloopyMuscles ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:05:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Damn, I think Rey going dark may be true. She found out she is a kickass Jedi and wants to become powerful quickly and if Luke doesn't help her she will find someone who does. She seems like the opposite of Luke where he left because his friends needed help he thought, she wants to leave for power.
klupsio ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:06:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The shot with the porg made me laugh out loud
Xlink64 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:18:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They literally made KotOR into a movie.
Revan redemption arc? Kylo Ren redemption arc.
Malak torturing Bastilla into corruption? Snoke torturing Rey into corruption.
Carth Onasi rightfully pissed off at Bastilla? Fin probably gonna be unhappy with Rey
R3dFiveStandingBye ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:27:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow is Reylo actually going to be a thing? I donโt have a problem with it, itโs just surprising!
twistinglemons ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:34:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yeeeeee boi
Atax1s ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:35:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thatโs called misdirection. Is this your first movie trailer?
R3dFiveStandingBye ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:39:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh be quiet I know there are such things as misdirection but donโt you think having TFA trailer being a misdirect and this not, make an even more of a misdirect.
misdirectception
R3dFiveStandingBye ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:30:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo saves Rey from Snoke Iโm calling it. Only way he can be redeemed in the eyes of the fans.
MeanSurray ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:33:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sure he killed both his parents but ey people make mistakes you know
R3dFiveStandingBye ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:34:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Leiaโs not confirmed dead though. However R.I.P Carrie Fisher. โค๏ธ
MeanSurray ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:41:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rip. Okay listen up this is what will happen: Luke figures out that Rey is as strong as Snoke. He refuses to go with her to destroy Snoke. She goes alone, gets captured and tortured by Snoke. Luke finds out, follows her and before he can reach her Kylo takes him by surprise and hurts him bad. He goes to Rey and rescues her from Snoke. They both destroy Snoke. They form a pact to bring order to the galaxy. Like a mad evil king and his queen. Movie ends with both Snoke and Luke still alive, albeit very very hurt. (Luke lost an arm)
R3dFiveStandingBye ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:05:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just like light and darkness coming together to form a balance once and for all! Then they create the Grey Jedi.
MeanSurray ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:10:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
O please stop the grey jedi thing already...
R3dFiveStandingBye ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:15:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No itโs a great concept. No one is truly only evil or good. Jedi were too scared of the dark so they lost when they ignored everything bad. Which is exactly why Anakin turned to the dark side. The Sith lost because of too much darkness and overconfidence. The force does not have a dark and light side itโs just projected according to the actions and feeling of the individual. Complete mastery of both sides is the only way you can achieve true balance within. Hence Light + Dark = Grey โA Balanceโ
MeanSurray ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:22:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Okay. Well think about this. Once everything goes grey, what the hell do the characters do in the next 99999 episodes? Fight the borg?
R3dFiveStandingBye ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:30:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well they could fight anyone who is truly light or dark but I always remember this quote from George Lucasโs first concept of Star Wars through the Journal of the Whills.
First comes the day Then comes the night. After the darkness Shines through the light. The difference, they say, Is only made right By the resolving of gray Through refined Jedi sight.
MeanSurray ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:16:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Okay you get me a little bit exited for the grey jedi thing. Good job. But this idea about a rehabilitated psychopath (Ren) a will never agree.
Tortankum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:40:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
what happens in IX then?
Deez_Pucks ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:50:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like Leia is gonna get rekt harder than Sam Bradford's sense of self-worth.
cpt_latin_america ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:13:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mitch is the last Jedi!!
Ryanbrasher ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:53:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
PREDICTION:
Rey is kidnapped by Snoke, Kylo Ren changes sides, movie ends with Luke and Ben leaving to go rescue Rey.
EPISODE IX: Luke sacrifices himself to save Rey and Ben (Like Obi Wan in Episode IV), next trilogy is based on their adventures.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:22:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
IX, not X. And while I love these characters, I sincerely hope we don't jump into another trilogy right after this one.
Ryanbrasher ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:00:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I donโt think they will straight away, probably wait like 10 years
eaflores ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:04:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
LUKE IS SNOKE
Bexirt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:58:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
LUKE IS SNOKE
SNOKE IS VADER
VADER IS REY
Oh wait...(makes sense)
deadmau5312 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:57:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As someone who just watched all the original star wars for the first time this week. I could not be more excited!!
Tasteful_Dick_Pics ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:40:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Welcome to the family!
deadmau5312 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you!!
TamLux ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 08:47:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is it me... or are the voices at a weird mix? Because Mark Hammel doesn't sound like himself... or is it me... I dunno...
pilotichegente ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 08:55:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i thought exactly the same thing! Sounded to throaty and heavy.
TamLux ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:57:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's what is off about it, now that I can put my finger on it, yes! it is really off, and not just from age!
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 08:55:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't sound or act like Luke at all. And who decided to cut one of his quotes into two chunks. This trailer is garbage honestly
TamLux ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:44:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a trailer, and in the past years they have horribly mis-represented films!
Joseplh ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:14:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I will be watching the movie and I do expect it to be good. I do hope they work on Rey's character a bit, because in the last movie she went from zero to 60 with no explination.
Awartinger ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:20:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Has anybody floated the idea (I'm sure they have because this is the internet) that Snoke is a manifestation of Luke's dark side? They both use similar language in the trailer referring to "raw" power. Could it be that Luke is both the light and the dark and him trying to suppress his dark side has created this creature. I kind of enjoy that being why they want Luke gone so much, Snoke himself can't become truly independent until his host is destroyed.... idk, just a thought.
Bacch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:23:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
On this very subreddit just a few months ago.
https://www.reddit.com/r/starwarsspeculation/comments/6g546x/luke_is_snoke/
Awartinger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:13:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Haha, I knew it!
Ratlarbig ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 02:50:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some random thoughts, mostly criticisms, since they're easier to start with:
Didn't the prequels establish that little cheezy CGI animals are bad? That stupid looking owl thing on the Falcon....
"This is not going to go the way that you think." That's the best quote they could come up with from Luke? It didn't even sound right, being cut in half the way they did it.
I liked the Kylo - Leia tension there, between the ships. That seemed well done.
Not surprised Luke is reluctant to train more people.
"once seen... once before" with the allusion to Kylo. Jeez I hope there's not some secret sibling thing. That would be lame. There's gotta be force users left who are not in the same family.
All the weapons in the universe and Finn goes with the electic nightstick? It was dumb in Force Awakens, and it's dumb now.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:34:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I liked your criticism.
TrumpWillDieInJail ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 08:16:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wtf? with "seen before" he means of course Rey. he trains her reluctantly until he sees she has the same power as Annie had. then he refuses to continue because he sees her going dark. so she leaves on her own to rescue a Finn. somehow Kylebro convinces her she should come with him to see Snoke and she accepts because she's so fucking confused about all this. I guess in #9 Kylebro will turn to the light and unite with Luke to kill Snoke and redeem Trey, or Trey will kill Snoke as a last ditch after Snoke kills Luk and Kylebro.
LachrymatoryAgent ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:56:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you. I was looking for someone to point out the awkward lines.
Also unnatural sounding is "I've seen this raw strength only once before. It didn't scare me enough then. It does now."
I hope these are trailer-only lines.
starwatto ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:35:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd add that new AT-ATs looked kinda comical to me instead of menacing. Not sure why... they look like they just took AT-ATs from OT and decided to make them more... badass? But like... in a bad way.
But I disagree about your last point, I mean... Star Wars isn't exactly into weapons that are practical anyways. Lightsaber isn't much better as long as it's not a force user using it. And even then... I don't think he will use it all movie long, just probably in that scene.
AnOnlineHandle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:23:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All the First Order designs look stupidly comical to me, like they have to 'tell' us that they're evil by making them look cliched evil. They actually showed it in the original trilogy and rogue one with grey mechanical ships which could have belonged to anybody, yet soon became apparent as belonging to a dictatorship and fascist state.
Even the rendering doesn't look very good, like there's no solidness to them, and it's obviously CGI. I'd hoped after Rogue One's improvement that Disney had worked out the kinks and set a new minimum level of quality for that, after JJ's boring Star Trek style of rendering made most ship scenes really boring and unbelievable in TFA, like game cinematics.
OhRatFarts ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:21:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Porgs aren't CGI http://cdn.collider.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/star-wars-the-last-jedi-behind-the-scenes-image-40.jpg
LachrymatoryAgent ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:52:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The one in the trailer looks like CGI. It could be that they used both techniques.
Ratlarbig ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:30:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They look like they are.
BigSnoke ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 02:01:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow they really are gonna make Rey most powerful special force user ever aren't they?
tomjoad2020ad ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:09:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, she basically already is in TFA. If they didn't acknowledge it it would just be weird.
marlowned ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:04:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He said he's only seen her kind of power in one other person...jump cut to Kylo.
misterchief10 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:30:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He did say he saw it somewhere else and then it shows Kylo, so I donโt think theyโre implying that.
Techquestthrowaway ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:30:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why can't she be powerful?
hulibuli ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 10:06:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The power creep in force abilities overall is something I dislike, not only with Rey but partially in prequels and Old Republic too, not even mentioning the Force Unleashed.
I personally like the mighty Force when it's left to the ancient legends, one upping older characters is kinda boring compared to the new characters finding their own new paths.
MichaelM_Yaa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:27:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i wonder if luke fears her!
huxtiblejones ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 05:00:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think I just need to accept that I'm not a big fan of this new series. It's doing well to look like a Star Wars film for the most part, but the characters and story arc just bore me. The plot doesn't really have an engine motivating it like we saw in the OT and the buildup of the story between Luke and Vader.
The characters are just randomly cobbled together tropes to my eyes - the doubting trooper of the evil empire, the mysteriously powerful orphan, the moody hermit master, the pointlessly angry main villain who might have some good left in him, the pointlessly spiteful ultra villain whose motives are aimlessly evil. It seems Disney's hand is more evident in these films than I expected it would be. They just feel overly calculated to tick off things that Disney corporate thinks audiences want to see instead of allowing it to be a risky, daring, and unique trilogy in its own regards. It feels overly Hollywoodish and safe to me.
I'll hope the movie is more interesting than the trailer lets on, but I was more disappointed with TFA than I hoped to be, literally couldn't even get through a second viewing. Oh well, I still love the original films and thought Rogue One was pretty excellent overall.
SomeCanadianGamer ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:04:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Although i really like the new films, i gotta say more fans who dislike the new movies should take a lesson on how to express there opinions from you. Good on you for being polite and structuring it well. Most of the people ive seen who dislike the films just act like children.
salaciousbumm ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:10:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah because the people that love it are just so polite and have such thought out responses when they express they're love for the film
Your grand generalizations make you the other side of the coin that you're complaining about
optimusjprime ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:42:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh look who I found! You are on a mission, arenโt you?
salaciousbumm ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:45:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. Now move aside
jabba_the_wutt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:56:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I dont even understand the plot. The First Order makes zero sense. These new movies feel like they just retconned Return of the Jedi out of existence. Who the hell is Snoke, and how did these guys build a mega death star that blows up entire star systems? Where is the Alliance fleet? Shouldn't they be the major governing power in the galaxy by this point?
It feels like you say, like these films were laid out in corporate meetings with marketing analysts to bring in maximum profit.
Rogue One was awesome. Best Star Wars film since the original trilogy by a mile.
greatjorb88 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:50:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man how you can you see that last part and not be intrigued though?
huxtiblejones ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 09:19:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm intrigued enough to watch the movie, but just bummed that I don't feel as excited as I ought to.
SevenSulkySerbs ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:00:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I also was disappointed in the lack of risks taken, creativity, etc. in TFA. Visually, I thought it looked great and I still hold hope that a few of these new characters can be fleshed out in a creative way. Phasma definitely needs some solid character building, but I'm also concerned about how Hux fits in right now.
I agree that Rogue One, while not perfect, was an excellent film. For being somewhat restricted in terms of story, I believe they did a very good job. They took some risks, and I think most of them paid off. I also think reading Catalyst enhances the experience.
Feels weird that for the moment, I'm actually expecting to be more interested in Battlefront II's campaign and the new season of Rebels than The Last Jedi.
Destring ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:46:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope we get to see Rey's faults. She was too perfect and Mary Sueish in TFA
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:48:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed
connorstory97 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:06:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And judging by rianโs comments about making the characters face deep challenges we just might get that.
Destring ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:28:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, seems like a downfall story. I'm really hyped.
Thegreeper43 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:24:43 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I donโt want them to resemble any of the old films and be whole new stories. To much was the same in TFA that compared to ANH. Fresh ideas would be awesome.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:41:53 on October 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You should try watching some of Rian Johnson's films. I don't think you need to worry about this not having a great story.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:02:42 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But then they did that with the prequels and everyone complained "what is this?! Way too different to the originals!"
HagOWinter ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:48:10 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is going to come off as cynical, but writers really shouldn't trust the public to tell them what they liked or didn't like about a movie. People tend to claim to want something but really want something completely different, or they ride a bandwagon to the point where they convince themselves that they want something even though they really don't. You can see this with the prequels: there's really nothing wrong with politics in Star Wars, but the concept was executed poorly in Episode I so everyone convinced themselves that they hated the idea of politics in movies in general and forgot that there's an entire genre of thrillers devoted to politics that has been very successful in the past.
I'm not saying that the lack of context was completely because of the movie industry reacting to the reception of the prequels, but it was a big part of it and that reaction shouldn't have happened in the first place.
Apprentice57 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:23:03 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, TFA felt kind of like a whirlwind in introducing the new events. It definitely could have benefitted from a 1 minute clarification about where the heck the First Order and the Resistance came from.
INTHEMIDSTOFLIONS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:37:33 on October 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They cut a lot of that out because of run time.
First Order was what's left of the Empire after ROTJ. Just because the emperor died doesn't mean the entire army disbands. They control 69 million planets, they can handle losing a political leader.
The Resistance is just the rebellion continued through the support of the New Republic, which only occupied at the time a handful of planets iirc
Apprentice57 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:39:37 on October 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then it was a poor cut. To a layperson, the ending of ROTJ makes it seem like the empire is completely gone. You need the slightest bit of explanation of the politics to make TFA less confusing.
INTHEMIDSTOFLIONS ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:09:32 on October 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree
Apprentice57 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:19:31 on October 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh okay, I thought you were defending their choice. My b.
INTHEMIDSTOFLIONS ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:20:44 on October 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're good! They're films like anything else, so they're fallible. I have my issues with star wars but I do love it regardless of its faults.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:43:42 on October 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People often don't know what they want
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:41:19 on October 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, they complained because the prequel story was boring and the acting and writing was complete shit.
legable ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:20:46 on November 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The problem was not that they were different. The problem was that they were shit. People articulate that by complaining they were different (shit) from the originals (good).
Jerome_Bettis ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 04:52:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not a fan of the timid Luke Skywalker. I waited way too long to see Luke again in a Star Wars movie to have him regress as a force weilder. I want to see him as some grandmaster wizard of the Force, not some old guy saying "You youngins have Sp0oKy potential!"
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:02:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Jerome_Bettis ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:47:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't say that... I just wanted Luke to be the most powerful force weilder in this movie. You took what I said and took it way too far.
Pepperpwni ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He just trained Ben Solo, who then destroyed everything he spent years building. Of course he's timid. I'm sure that'll change by the end of the movie, or else why have a movie?
Wantazmo ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:05:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rey isn't going dark. Classic misdirection. Its funny how some of y'all fell for it
destiny24 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:22:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well if she does, it was completely retarded to put it in the trailer.
Wantazmo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:32:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly
Forever_Man ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:33:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It will undo all of TFA and most of TLJ if they do...
momshotdad ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:22:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely. It's Disney we're talking about here.
pinktini ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:27:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's interesting how people interpret things differently. I don't see it as Rey going dark.
If anything, Rey is playing Kylo to get training cause it looks like Luke is refusing to help her. She's gonna have a hold on her good, I know it.
And in the process, Kylo is going to thaw and at minimum go grey after his time with Rey (if he agrees to help her).
Knox200 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 02:58:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Every diehard fanboy in this comment section will deny it but this movie will be soft remake just like The force awakens was. Disney knows that it can just remake Empire and make a billion dollars, so they will.
Thebestaround555 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:42:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It could be a soft remake of Empire, but you're completely talking out of your ass. There's no definitive proof either way. Disney is going to make a billion dollars no matter what, you're just taking an unnecessarily cynical outlook.
Tsorovar ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:28:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're right they're going to make a billion dollars no matter what, which is why they're going for the "safe" option instead of doing anything new.
Knox200 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:54:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just look at the trailer though, all the shit from empire is there, the old jedi that trains the orphan from a desert planet, it being the dark middle chapter, no death star type thing, at at's on ice planet, and tons of other shit throughout the trailer. This movies going to just be the empire strikes back 2: electric disneyreboot
Thebestaround555 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:42:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We'll just have to see, I suppose. Some of the stuff you mentioned is more just the hero's journey than Star Wars/Empire stuff. Old and wise mentor training unlikely hero, 2nd act of the journey is the darkest, etc. I hope you're wrong, but I'm wouldn't be shocked if you're right.
NihiloZero ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:57:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke is going to be revealed as Rey's evil father... so, yeah.
Drzhivago138 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:40:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Disney doesn't make the movies, though. Lucasfilm does. Disney distributes them, like Fox did.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:15:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Calling it now,
Reychell meets up with uncle luke who's all sad and shit and fighting his ptsd.
Uncle Luksor teaches reychell magic cause he's bored and his only company for like 10 years has been furry gerbiles so why not teach some young 20yo magic yoga right?
TRAINING MONTAGE ~8cue eye of tiger, rah rah8~
Luksor starts second guessing himself, like yo a swamp hobo taught me then i taught my nephew and some kids and my nephew murdered everyone maybe this is bad idea...
Luksor gets fearful of fucking shit up, his fear acts like a force magic homing beacon for his crazy nephew
kyle kidnaps reychell and takes her to professor snokes afterschool program for wayward youth.
after seeing how fond prof s. gets of his new pupil on day 1, kyle gets all emosauce and leaves the after school cause he's no longer the special kid who gets to meet up with teach after class
Kyle meets back up with lukesor and they chat bout how they both fuck ups / go team skyfucker /
on some evil planet / Prof s. and reychell have been doing more yoga and reychell's gone full blown crazy S. has built on the whole your an orphan noone loves you bit and now she's totes evil
poe and fin are making out on a spaceship while chewie places soccer with bb8
reychell and kyle both head to a netural meeting place for final conformation
end episode pass popcorn
LachrymatoryAgent ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:05:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
good script man. probably better than the one we get.
nvnehi ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 02:32:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Am I crazy or was that trailer the opposite of hype? :/ This is the first time a Star Wars trailer did nothing for me... shit. :(
Still seeing it opening night and super excited for it, but the trailer fell flat.
GenericCollegeDrone ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:36:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It felt pretty tame for me too. The ending got me a bit hyped though despite knowing its just clever editing
johnnylavalampus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:35:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I agree. In general I wish they'd take more chances-- both aesthetically and with the story (meaning chances beyond copying the original trilogy), but obviously it'll be a thrilling movie.
But yeah the trailer was cool but not hype-worthy for me.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:42:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I felt the same way
snoosnoosewsew ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:37:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Neither of these TLJ trailers have done much for me... I have a strange feeling about this movie. This trailer had a few shots that looked like they could be straight out of LOTR. I mean, I love LOTR, but...kind of strange.
charliebucket- ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:33:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like they're playing it pretty close to the chest.
JIDF-Shill ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 02:18:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Since it's the 2nd movie, we need a Battle of Hoth"
WHY. WHY can't they be original? Fucking TFA all over again
IamaDoubleARon ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:05:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
History repeats itself
kutwijf ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:48:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The only way to maybe explain this all away.
JackPennywise ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 02:25:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We'll be downvoted, but fuck it. I agree with you. I am VERY cautious about this trailer. I was taken in by TFA trailers hook line and sinker, and was massively disappointed by the unoriginality of it. its my least favourite of the series.
aatencio91 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:21:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I missed Hoth in this trailer. Care to show me?
JIDF-Shill ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 02:23:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
there's a ripoff of battle of hoth here
"In the 2nd film rebels in mountain-side base with big open hangar send air speeders out to fight AT-AT's on white open plain while their ships evacuate" ~ Empire Strikes Back & Last Jedi
stop playing dumb
NewestBrunswick ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:52:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're right but ya don't hafta be a dick about it.
g_borris ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 05:21:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean we are in the thread for the trailer and its not exactly subtle. The "I missed Hoth in this trailer. Care to show me?" comment needed a kick in the dick.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:13:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hoth is absent from this trailer in exactly the same way Tatooine was absent from TFA.
aatencio91 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:31:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So... entirely?
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:38:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except for the exact replica by a different name which served as the backdrop for another Force-sensitive teenager with a mysterious past to gaze longingly into the sky dreaming of getting away? Sure. Totes.
Borchers34 ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 05:08:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
1:48 Snow planet
IV-IVm-I ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 09:08:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
not snow
e: seriously, not snow. for real, itโs something like salt plains with a rich red soil
Borchers34 ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 17:26:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not snow? Are you that much in denial?
LordJournalism ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:52:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The planet is Crait. The soil is red. Itโs covered in salt. This was present in the Leia novel and you can literally look it up and find it online. Itโs not snow. Stop acting like you know everything when youโre 100% wrong.
Borchers34 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:07:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its white with a white dog with ATATs attacking a rebel base in a mountain. Enjoy Empire Strikes Back Again.
LordJournalism ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:39:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol okay. Iโm guessing Rogue One was a copy of ROTJ since they had AT-ATs in a jungle-type setting? GTFO.
Borchers34 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:18:34 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice try, Rogue One was just full of forgettable characters, bad writing, and unnecessary fan service. Forty seconds of Vader killing people doesn't make that movie good
LordJournalism ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:20:03 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yawn Youโre boring.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:21:42 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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LordJournalism ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:23:08 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Says the guy who has gone around saying that Crait is a snow planet and telling people theyโre wrong for telling you, correctly, that itโs a red planet with salt.
Borchers34 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:24:06 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What is this Crait you speak of so highly? A desert planet?
[deleted] ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 09:37:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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IV-IVm-I ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 10:22:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
cocaine in the 80s
xProperlyBakedx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:05:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cocaine in any decade
CaptainJAmazing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:10:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Salt in a salt flat like the real-life ones in Utah.
Lucky1941 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:34:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
NaCl, cocaine, milk, white paint, white foliage, caucasian people, etc etc.
LordJournalism ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:52:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs salt plains on the red soil planet of Crait.
IV-IVm-I ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:37:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it's not snow dawg. seriously, not snow. Itโs something more like salt plains with a rich red dry soil, that's why those red dust clouds are behind the resistance speeders.
Borchers34 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:08:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its not salt dawg. Its snow. Read the 14 prequel comics to have any understanding of what's going on. Jeez.
LordJournalism ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:21:07 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The planet is Crait, a salt planet. Itโs red soil and salt on top. Donโt speak unless you know what youโre talking about.
Borchers34 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:23:04 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
1:48 its white. Who is this Crait you speak of? Was he in the trailer?
LordJournalism ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:23:42 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Youโre not even a smart troll.
http://www.starwars.com/databank/crait
Borchers34 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:25:22 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone who has any complaints about anything is a troll right? It's a remake of Empire plain and simple.
LordJournalism ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:33:41 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Youโve seen the movie? Wow. Howโd you manage that?
Or are you one of those speculating trolls trying to stir up drama about things where you donโt even know what youโre talking about (for example, telling someone itโs snow when itโs a salt layer covering a red planet).
But youโre right, youโre not a troll. Youโre just complaining about a movie that still has 66 days from releasing.
Borchers34 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:17:00 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
God forbid anyone has an opinion outside of the Reddit circlejerk am I rite?
LordJournalism ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:17:49 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You literally have said itโs ESB 2 without seeing the movie. Yeah, you donโt have a right to an opinion on something you havenโt even seen.
Borchers34 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:30:17 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I said the same thing about The Force Awakens before I saw it after seeing the trailer. Are you saying the Force Awakens is not an A New Hope remake?
LordJournalism ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:41:18 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then donโt watch it. WTF? Youโre being a little baby. Quit whining. Honest to God. People like you are a plague to society. No shock and surprise you spend time in T_D.
Borchers34 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:26:05 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Plague to society? Lol. Nah man, that title is held by Weinstein and all his Hollywood cronies who covered up pedophilia for decades.
But yeah, I'm such an outcast because I hate Disney's Star Wars.
Get you priorities straight guy.
I'm a fan of Star Wars. I have an opinion. Its different than yours. These movies look like shit. Have a nice day.
CaptainJAmazing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:14:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe. Daisy Ridley has already said that the new movie will be "Unexpected, but right." Plus the trailer we just saw said "It's not going to go the way you think!"
Awesomesauce935 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 03:21:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like this will surpass "The Force Awakens"...
In the amount of disappointment and revulsion it will draw from fans of Star Wars.
hgilbert2020 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:01:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Those replacements for the AT-AT look cool as hell!
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:07:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Hey guys, what could be dumber than the original ATATs? Oh yeah making them gorilla like, that's even more goofy and inefficient for no reason!"
CambriaPAGAN ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:21:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unless those knuckledraggers start punching holes in the cliff and climb up it. I mean, they were supposed to be ALL Terrain.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:24:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Sir, why not use those flying things to get atop the cliff?" "SOMEBODY PROMOTE THIS MAN"
Drzhivago138 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:11:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The forearms with serrated edges are presumably defense against tow cables. There's some indications that the walkers might climb vertical cliff faces, like the AT-TEs did in the CW movie.
hgilbert2020 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I never said they looked efficient XD. I just like the red eyes honestly.
Julianhyde88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think theyโre nicknamed โGorilla Walkersโ
CuteBabyPenguin ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:02:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stuff! Things! Excitement!
No_more_TDs_in_LA ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:02:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That seemed to give away a lot.
Kylo kills Leia in his starfighter?
Snoke captures Rey?
Kylo and Rey both confused about something together?
what am I missing
DeekoOne ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:05:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know right. I should have listened to the director but I would have never expected that level of spoilers
Semper-Fido ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:06:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The fake outs
Doctor_Cornelius ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:07:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So many of these could have just been cut that way without actually happening.
Moruitelda ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:18:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Force Awakens trailer revealed so much. I mean, John Boyega is going to be a Jedi! It's crazy.
MightyLemur ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:19:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Come on most of those were obviously different scenes cut together.
Drzhivago138 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:12:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The only one of those that we know isn't misdirection is the Snoke torturing Rey scene. The rest probably are.
GreyRevan51 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:03:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That was WAAAAAY more spoiler filled than I couldโve possibly imagined!
mulgorath ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:03:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's a hell of a lot of spoilers. Wish I hadn't watched the trailer tbh.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:03:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke fearing Reyโs strength... saying heโs only seen this power once before. If he means Kylo Ren, itโs a little awkward making him and Rey out as more powerful than Vader, Luke, Yoda, Palpatine etc. Letโs see how it plays out - trailers always have tons of misdirection.
hMJem ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:09:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure the beginning is mis-direction. He will be fearing Kylo's strength, not Rey's.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think Luke, at his age, would be worried if anyone could match him.
My understanding is that he is the most powerful Jedi ever. Vader never lived up to his potential due to injuries. Yoda was far from his prime when Luke met him. As was Palpatine most likely.
cybersnacks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It sounds like he's talking about in the context of training a student.
MendicantBerger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He also said "raw" power. The examples you gave are "refined" power.
mangofied ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:19:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why would it be awkward? One is the descendant of the literal Chosen One, trained by the Chosen One's son (who saved the galaxy), it would make sense he's very powerful. The other is up for speculation at this point but it's obvious the force bestows great power onto those who will use it for good when the Galaxy needs it.
BlazeKnight7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:26:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke specifically said RAW Strength, Having more raw strength alone doesn't make you more powerful. Technique, Strategy and overall training can make someone more fearsome than a person who just has raw strength alone. He's probably afraid that she COULD become more powerful than those you mentioned and fears that power being used by the dark side.
FunkyBry ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:06:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Darth Rey, you heard it here first
Whale_Sausage ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:33:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
RIP u/CarrieFisher
Bacch ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:49:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Something tells me that's not the real Carrie Fisher...
Nanobreak_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:14:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
oh my fucking god the post history
PM_SHIT_JOKES ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:52:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is anyone else wondering where Han is?
infestedjoker ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:55:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ded dawg
Nanobreak_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:14:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
in a fucking pit decomposing
MondoMunchy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:32:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's still hard to believe that our Galactic Princess is gone. This makes me very hopeful that she got a proper send off in true Star Wars fashion. Never in my life has a trailer made me misty-eyed, but Leia was (like many nerds) my first crush, and I hope the conclusion to her epic part in Star Wars cemented her in film history.
Tetereteeee ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:35:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My theories after seeing trailer:
Luke destroyed academy. Luke: "Kylo did not destroy the academy...I did." Rey: "Nooooo"
Reason was that he saw young jedi became corrupted and seduced by Snoke. Saw total destruction as only solution.
Was too weak to kill his own nephew Kylo.
Luke went into exile out of guilt.
cptsteve21 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:54:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Damn thatโs a good call
Wheatbog ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:54:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So Kylo can be her teacher? Or her boyfriend? Or brother? Or cousin?
Or any and all of the above, but basically just a pervert.
HK-47b ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:30:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Matt.
edwartica ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 08:13:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One thing is for sure, someone is going to loose a hand in this movie.
Mackaf ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:55:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thoughts as to why? That was lukes busting out of the wreckage of his temple
Tenrac ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:32:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
because loosing hand/arm in a star wars movie is a pretty common theme...I think he was being funny.
edwartica ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:47:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Especially in the second film of a trilogy.
edwartica ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:42:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke lost a hand in the second film of the original trilogy. Anakin lost a hand in the second film of the prequels. This is the second film of the new trilogy. My guess is Rey, although I could see kylo Ren loosing a hand.
But also, I was trying to make a joke.
reiko96 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 09:34:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This trailer seems to confirm that Rey's force powers far outclass Luke's own. My girls literally spilt the earth by simply mediating and Luke basically shits himself
Rey>Luke>Anakin
Kasumi-Kenshiro ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:32:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
PORG! #porglife ๐
DuncanShifter ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 11:40:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like Chewbacca got his very own Furby.
TiedHands ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:27:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So after watching this trailer and various trailer reactions and breakdowns about a gazillion times, I'm fully convinced this is going to be the single best looking movie ever made. It's beyond gorgeous.
juice06870 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:44:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That John Williams score tho!
Lord_Snow77 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:19:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's amazing Williams still has it in him to score films at his age.
aaronbristow1239 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:14:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To all the people whining about rey being a Mary Sue, if the character was a badass male with a beard would you be saying the same? I mean it's obvious that she's a kenobi or something
HushUnwrapped ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:50:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like if Rey takes Kylo's hand there at the end, she's going to be the third generation of Skywalker to lose a hand.
thatonekid2010 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:59:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FUCKING HYPE
MartinATL ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:51:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That was underwhelming, to say the least. The Force Awakens trailer gave me a slight hard on, this one did nothing to me. Maybe Iโm just not in the mood for it today, I donโt know...
550_Cord ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:58:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looks dumb. Probably isnโt though. Weโll see.
MartinATL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:00:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, Iโm not going to judge the movie based on this, and Iโm still super excited for it. Weโll see in December if itโs good or not! :)
hulibuli ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:01:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It can be overall SW/Disney-fatigue and hangover. TFA had the advantage of the very long dry season before it.
lakreda ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 03:22:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i had sex with my cousin once, thank you comments confessional.
Bojangles657 ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 04:26:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This isn't what I expected when I sorted by controversial.
lakreda ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:48:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't think anyone would see this... I'm ruined.
sheftyhat ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 04:17:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Empire Strikes Back 2.
Borchers34 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 05:18:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Without a doubt. Sad honestly.
ATAT Walker battle, snow planet (1:48), Jedi training by a master, sith asks a Jedi to turn.
Like, really Disney?
sheftyhat ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 05:25:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, considering the downvotes I'm getting, seems like the average joe doesn't care as long as it's 'Star Wars'.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:17:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're not allowed to have negative opinions in this sub. The beatings will continue until we all love JJ.
sheftyhat ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:55:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All hail the great jarjar... oh wai-
Borchers34 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:18:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, I would rather have that at this point because it would at least make sense of his entire arc in the prequels.
Drzhivago138 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:56:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Disney isn't making the films, just distributing them. Lucasfilm makes the movies.
Why are you so cynical as to believe after one trailer that this will be a rehash?
Borchers34 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:10:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did you not watch The Force Awakens?
kutwijf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:57:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They played it safe so that a big profit is all but guaranteed. Did you really expect Disney to do otherwise? Be honest with yourself. They were more worried about making a bad film than not making a great film. Still, they're entertaining and the SW universe is more interesting than most others.
Borchers34 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:12:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would like something other than a remake of the entire 1st trilogy because after TFA and this trailer (which gives away the entire movie btw) that is exactly what it is shaping up to be.
kutwijf ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:25:17 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, me too, but it looks like we might be stuck with remakes. I really hope this isn't the case but TLJ looks and sounds an awfull lot like ESB. If it's the case, I blame Disney over Kathleen Kennedy.
Borchers34 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:20:19 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've always blamed Disney. I have no idea who Kathleen Kennedy is.
kutwijf ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:41:53 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She's the head of Lucusfilm now.
Borchers34 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:11:34 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gotcha. Thanks mate!
kutwijf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:15:05 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Np
Drzhivago138 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:57:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Disney isn't making the films, just distributing them. Lucasfilm makes the movies.
kutwijf ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:03:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You don't think Disney has any say over what Lucasfilm does? Lucasfilm is owned by Disney.
Drzhivago138 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:15:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What irrefutable proof is there that Disney exerts any creative control over Lucasfilm? The six production divisions of Walt Disney Studios (WD Pictures, Disneynature, Lucasfilm, Marvel, WD Animation Studios, Pixar) are creatively independent from their parent company. The only credit WDS takes is a "distributed by" at the end.
kutwijf ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:29:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You want proof that Disney influences Star Wars?
http://comicbook.com/marvel/2016/11/22/marvel-lucasfilm-disney-bob-iger-success/
I'm sure there's more out there that backs up my claim.
Creative control? Not control but influence most definitely. Lucasfilm is owned by Disney. Kathleen Kennedy (who is head of Lucusfilm) wants to make money for Disney and keep Bob Iger happy.
Drzhivago138 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:40:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is actually news to me, even though it's a year old. Thanks for bringing this up.
But at the same time, all that really says is that there's precedent for one person (Bob Iger) to have some influence with one other person (Kathleen Kennedy). Granted, it's the absolute top dog consulting with the other absolute top dog, but it's not outright stating that final creative say rests with anyone besides Lucasfilm's team.
(In other words, yes, I am modifying my position in the face of new evidence. I've gone from "no creative control whatseover" to "potential for some creative input," which is a huge shift for me.)
hilljgo ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:29:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Something something Empire Strikes Back?
MichaelM_Yaa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:28:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the only similar thing are at-at walkers...
DankDollLitRump ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:08:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Disney doesn't have the balls to make their main character into a fallen Jedi. I have never said anything with more confidence than this; this is absolutely misdirection.
for_the_revolution ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:10:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's what worries me. I hope Disney will actually do something bold and fresh with these characters, rather than having it just be a fun space adventure.
IntentStudios ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:12:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll take a stab at it: Ben is the Last Jedi
Every shot we see in the trailer of Kylo Ren "with the mask on" ... is actually Rey. (Snoke will seduce her to become some "new name", in the Ren mask.) She asks Snoke to show her what her place is in all of this. He says, "When I found you, I saw raw "UNTAIMED" power, and beyond that, something truly special." He uses the dark to lure Rey into fulfilling her destiny and kill both Luke & Princess Leia. Even the shots of the gloves in the Tie Fighter are actually Rey. She'll start with Leia, Luke will survive (the massive explosion he crawls from underneath) until the next film.
Every shot we see of Ben his mask is removed, even from the start. He even smashes his "former" mask. Says, "Let the past die. Kill it. It's the only way to become who you were meant to be." He knows the past was horrific, but only Luke can help him come back to the light. The Tie-Fighters are actually firing AT Ben's ship, look close. He's actually trying to SAVE Leia from Rey (in the mask). He watches as Rey blasts Leia into oblivion. Luke has known of Ben's power, (he had seen it once before) but is even MORE worried about Rey's unfiltered and uncontrollable "raw" power. This is why he is actually scared of Rey's future. Finally Ben seeks out Luke's help to become the true last Jedi. His extended hand at the end is reaching to Luke from the rubble of Rey's destruction.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:39:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I thought I'd read some stupid theories today, but you win.
IntentStudios ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:40:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So it will be the same old song and dance you say?
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:42:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, but I'm sure it'll be better than that fan fic you barfed up that looks like a 13 year old wrote it.
IntentStudios ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:37:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"redditor for 25 days" Haha
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What does that have to do with anything? Oh right, you're one of those weird asshats obsessed with internet points and you think they somehow give your opinion more credence.
jwgarcia82 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:45:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah.... That's pretty much what I was thinking. I don't know where they come up with this nonsense.
denisorion ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:46:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
oh great, now when this doesn't happen i'll be mad, great stuff mate!
IntentStudios ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:14 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Haha, thanks for the open mind.
bailaoban ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 12:09:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok, so is nobody going to point out that Han Solo has been replaced by a Guinea Pig?
Fragzilla360 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:30:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People have already pointed that out thanks.
CraigP17 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:33:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is no such thing as a spoiler in an official trailer...it's a preview of the movie...I think you guys need to look up the definition of spoiler
TEEss ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:36:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ask the Director of the Kingsman The Golden Circle about that.
CraigP17 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:09:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Find me someone who cares about that movie first, then I'll ask him
billiam632 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:43:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I did... until I saw it ๐
richardirons ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:19:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah I think you do.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Spoiler
CraigP17 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:53:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
but its not a spoiler in that sense when its the official trailer for it...
richardirons ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:16:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah it is. If itโs something youโd rather not find out before seeing the film then itโs a spoiler. Do you really think that if the sixth sense trailer showed the big reveal, that wouldnโt have been a spoiler? It seems like you just have a different meaning of the word from everyone else.
CraigP17 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:45:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ok, well if the sixth sense revealed that he was a ghost the whole movie...that would be a spoiler...the star wars trailers reveal what the movie is going to be about. they didnt show you if Kylo actually kills Leia. They didnt show who Snoke was talking about. Or who Luke was talking about. Or if Rey and Kylo were even in the same scene when he puts his hand out...
richardirons ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:14:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey look man, I donโt wanna be a dick. I saw your original post that said โthereโs no such thing as a spoiler in an official trailerโ and it set off some kind of anal retentive nerve and so I had to post an asshole snarky comment. And then blah blah etc and I guess my idea was that when you admitted putting the ghost thing in the sixth sense trailer would have been a spoiler, Iโd jump up and go โAha! You are defeated, damned fiend, for I have caught you in a contradiction!โ or something. But letโs face it, thatโs a dick move. I donโt wanna pull a dick move on a fellow Star Wars fan, man! Letโs both just agree how awesome it is weโre getting a new film with Luke Skywalker in it.
Phifty2 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 13:56:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have to take issue with this trailer.
If it was full of misdirection, which I suspect it is, that's not what a trailer is supposed to be. A trailer, especially for a movie like this, should give you a broad sense of the plot and show you characters and locations. It should not mix and match scenes and lines to ensure the audience has no idea what to expect. And it's done so to fuel the internet speculation that we see in this very thread.
Imagine if in a trailer for RotJ instead of the Emperor saying "And now young Skywalker, you will die." He said "And now (they edit out "young") Skywalker, you will die." and then they show a reaction shot of Vader.
The first makes you think: Is Luke going to die?
The second makes you think: Wait, so the Emperor might kill Vader?
One of these presents a line from the film without revealing the outcome. The other is just nonsensical bullshit.
Is that what we want? Just mash together scenes and lines in dramatic ways that end up contradicting what happens in the actual film?
I'm against trailers spoiling major parts of the film (BvS), but I'm also against just taking footage and splicing it together to present scenarios that don't even remotely happen in the movie itself.
That said, I liked the trailer, but if I can't believe anything I see or hear what's the point?
cpillarie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:06:34 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is this guy seriously complaining that the trailer didn't spoil enough plot?
Phifty2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:29:41 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can address me directly.
No. I'm stating the trailer intentionally misleads us and presents scenes and interactions that don't even exist.
A good trailer gives you a sense of the story without ruining the plot specifics.
A bad trailer ruins them.
This combines scenes, shots, and dialogue, that in no way (i'm guessing) are relevant to the actual film.
Coppin-it-washin-it ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:30:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because with every Star Wars film that has released since Phantom Menace, the internet has done a very effective job of figuring out the entire plot of the films before they release. That's not even counting legit leaks that come out.
I remember a friend of mine knew the entire plot outline of Revenge of the Sith like 2 months before it came out. I thought he was explaining his speculation to me until I went and saw it with my dad.
Anyway, my point is that places all over the internet already had a pretty good idea as to what the general story would be for this movie. In particular, r/StarWarsLeaks. This trailer has thrown a wrench into that. People are now more confused than ever as to what this movie will be about and what the plot will be.
All we know for sure now is that :
1)Kylo and Rey are naturally extremely powerful. This worries Luke.
2) Snoke is confirmed to be a powerful force user as well.
3) Kylo seems to be forging his own path, possibly leaving behind his obsession with Vader.
4) Crait is going to be an important battle in the movie. Other than that planet and Luke's, we don't know where most of this movie will take place. They didn't even show Canto Bight in this trailer.
I personally think that most of us knowing nothing is a good thing. I want the advertising to be a misdirection because it leaves room for surprises, which is rare these days especially for big movies like Star Wars. The advertising for TFA had us believing that Finn would be our new Jedi. And the feeling of seeing Rey summon Anakin's lightsaber, and then igniting the blade, for the first time was one of my favorite Star Wars moments of all time.
I hope we get more surprises like that.
Heisenbergs_own ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:40:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This. I remember with TFA I thought Finn was going to be a trooper turned Jedi which was cool enough and had no clue who Rey was or what she'd contribute and to me the way it worked out was enjoyable bc it wasn't what I expected
Phifty2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:40:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know, but for people like me who don't analyze every bit of information and doesn't eagerly and willfully digest spoiler material as soon as it can be found the trailer is the only thing I have to go on.
And what if the trailer did confirm their speculation? Who gives a shit? Are we now making trailers not for the average movie goer but to instead mislead the obsessive fan?
It's not as big of a deal as I may have made it seem. I'll find out in two months what happens. It's just, this trend of presenting a film that doesn't exist just doesn't sit well with me.
Coppin-it-washin-it ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:58:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I get what you're saying, I just don't necessarily agree.
This trailer is an example of one done right, that will be enjoyable to everyone, be they a casual movie goer or a hardcore SW fan.
The trailer only contains misdirection for the "hardcore" audience. The vast and info-hungry fan base. People like most of us here on this sub. We are all hype with speculation. Trying to break it all down and figure it out. While a casual movie goer will likely watch the trailer and be like "oh shit! Lots of stuff happening! Looks good!" Then they forget about the movie until release.
Aside from all of that, if you give the more "hardcore" audience a bunch to work from, and they figure out the whole plot, then it's only a matter of time before it starts getting discussed on places like Facebook where the plot is spoiled for those average people who weren't looking to know the whole movie before seeing it.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:44:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I read Attack of the Clones days before I saw it. The book came out before the movie and it read great. The movie ended up being the worst of them all sadly.
Coppin-it-washin-it ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:51:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eh I personally still like AotC more than Phantom Menace. They're both at the bottom of my Star Wars list, but they both also had some of the greatest Star Wars moments of all time within them.
TPM: Podrace and Darth Maul fight. Plus the introduction of the double-bladed saber which has become a staple of the universe in terms of weaponry.
AotC: Yoda/Dooku fight, Jango Fett and his sick BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA bombs. Plus the clone army was pretty damn cool. And Anakin dual wielding sabers, again, introduced us to a new way of lightsaber combat that has since become popular in the lore.
cpillarie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:08:47 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
honestly, unpopular opinion, but Phantom Menace has always been my favorite of the prequel trilogy
Coppin-it-washin-it ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:55:21 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're not the only one. I know a lot of people who like TPM more than others.
georgefriend3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:16:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Emperor did kill Vader.
Phifty2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:48:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Was it the Emperor and his force lightening or was it Vader's black heart being suddenly obliterated by a final act of love for his family?
It was the emperor.
EDIT: And yes, he wanted him dead, but the emperor killed Vader indirectly.
[deleted] ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 02:01:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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xxgobiasindxx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:07:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This should be the top comment
littletoyboat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:15:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's been removed. What was it?
AdrianCHuff ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 05:21:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Am I the only one who doesn't think this looks good?
JackPanic ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 05:32:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, youโre not alone - it looks โoffโ
oLuckYz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:00:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, it's beautiful. Hype!!!
mistarteechur ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:01:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
SO PRETTY
jake_and_her_guard ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:01:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That was amazing
jkirsch6 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:01:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ALL ABOARD THE HYPE TRAIN
Cankleb ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:06:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ALL ABOARD THE PORG TRAIN
SmooshyXz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:01:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
DAMNIT NOW I HAVE SO MANY QUESTIONS
Jumbosaur ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:01:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This looks awesome!!!
ieffinglovesoup ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:01:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
its happeningggggg
Airman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:01:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
OH SHIT
Zimmerblade ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:01:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
LEIA.
gotham_possum ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:01:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jeeeeeeeeeeez
cortez0498 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:01:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Youtube mirror?
WannabeMurse ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:01:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HAPPY HOLIDAYS
mhans3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:01:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love Mark got more dialogue.
Jayfeather69 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:02:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lets go penguin!
SkillfulShade ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:02:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow. So many impressive visuals. This will be one of the best star wars movies ever!
downhomegroove ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:03:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus, they showed a lot.
JasonGryphon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:03:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
OH MY GOD! Finn is using the TR-8R Nightstick!!!!
FUCK_ME_WITH_A_STICK ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:04:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What about Chewie's little friend?
bipbophil ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:17:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Han reincarnated
CaracalScreams ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:04:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
YOUTUBE LINK https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0CbN8sfihY
fatgamer007 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:04:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is where the fun begins.
thetrondude ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:04:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I cannot upvote this enough
cmg635 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:04:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When did Chewbacca get a little girlfriend?
hungryhippo7 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:04:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo reaching out his hand at the end? The music? Actual Snoke? MARK HAMILL!! So much going on here holy shit guys.
Holy fuck.
I'm all about it. See you all in the theaters on December 14th!
EuterpeZonker ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:04:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Soooo much to unpack here. Snoke levitating Rey though, I didn't think they would show something like that.
drhannibaljdragonesq ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:04:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aaaaaaaaand I climaxed.
travisminor35 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:04:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh man I was not ready for that.
BRod_Angel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:04:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
5 minutes, over 500 comments. Boy if Star Wars doesnt get you excited idk what will
Bluestreaking ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:04:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So now the big question is how are we expected to interpret what we were shown vs what actually happens?
Thor_2099 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Expect the opposite. The Kylo reaching out thing kinda supports my own "fan theory" of him trying to recruit Rey with knowledge that Luke lied to her about her parentage.
Bluestreaking ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:09:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I almost think that the Snoke voice over is to Rey
RegularRoman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:05:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snoke was talking to Rey wasn't he?
Deadybears ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:05:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I bet Luke is evil and Kylo kills Leia
mil_phickelson ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:05:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Spoiler: Luke speaks
dizacht ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:05:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You guys are so freaking fast
TheTreelo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:05:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
God the anouncer for the Monday night football game really sold that huh?
leothesilent ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:05:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have nothing to contribute exCEPT IM SUPER HYPED
FierceAlchemist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:05:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like Rey is definitely going to be tempted. Great stuff.
Nixpix66 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:05:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HD Official Youtube link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0CbN8sfihY
legolana ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:05:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
idc what anyone says to me kylo ren is so badass
GregThePrettyGoodGuy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:05:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wanna say Iโm surprised, but Iโm not
Redbrendan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:05:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I completely regret watching that๐
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:05:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're a Sith Rey! - Hagrid
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:05:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think Snoke is talking to Rey at the start
Montythe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:05:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is Ren wearing a band aid?
Emperor-Octavian ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:06:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I enjoyed this
Hubers57 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:06:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Training montages look awesome and all the battle sequences looked amazing.
I'm thinking Kylo will be the highlight of this film, looking like a lot of good character development and conflict which is awesome.
Execute-Order-66 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:06:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Chewie got a new co-pilot!
TooMuchButtHair ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:06:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just bought eight tickets for the hype train. AAAAALLLLLLLL ABOOOOOOARD!
CloudStrifeFromNibel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:35:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Chooo Choooo
Evancurtis9 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:06:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh shitttt
epicbeastman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:06:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HYPErdrive engaged!
WOX_69 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:06:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
OMG AT EVERYTHING
Darrax ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:06:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So Kylo and Rey team up? Holy shit. I wonder if Kylo rebels vs snoke and him and rey fight him together. That would be sick.
And Luke looks fuckin crazy.
AnonymousGenius ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:06:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
did i just watch a seal take han's place as chewbacca's copilot?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:06:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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KreidyKid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He force-floats his shit a mile out to see before dumping it, let's get real
RiseoftheTrumpwaffen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:06:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The gerbil is Snoke.
Sideways_8 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:07:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who was Luke talking about ? Ren ?
kingo12 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:07:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Watched the trailer at 40 comments....now over 600. This feed is strong
SirTophamHattV ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:08:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
New puppy confirmed!!!!!
MrDogfort ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:08:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unsure if misdirection or play action. But fuuuhhh, need a breakdown!
fireinvestigator113 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:08:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I need the movie tomorrow. TOMORROW GOD DAMN IT
pigsuede ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:08:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
iโm gonna shit myself
coool12121212 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:08:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HOLY SHIT! Snoke looks so menacing in this!
Also holy crap, the cinematography looks beautiful! that shot of Leia looking out of the starship!
HYPE!
imahuika ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:08:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All I could think of when I heard snoke: "give it to us raw and wriggling!"
Bundon5300 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:08:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
God Iโm so fucking excited!!!!!!
Zachkah ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:08:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i know the Kylo/Leia and Kylo/Rey stuff is probably misdirection, but damm was I surprised they showed that much. If that's how Leia is written out, shocked they teased it so blatantly. if the Rey story goes the way they tease at the end, I have never been more excited for a movie ever. the heel turn move would be so fuckin dope
multiple4 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:09:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
JAR JAR BINKS SITH LORD CONFIRMED
RJCtv ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:09:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If they kill off Luke after turning him into a worthless character I will be so fucking upset
Siew6899 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:09:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ahh, a shiny new loveable pet thing on the Falcon
iangutierrez ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:09:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Canโt wait to see the Rey parentage conspiracies after this
n1cx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:09:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't see why they needed that last scene. Trailer would have been great without it.
murderofcrows90 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:09:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
OMG such spoilers good guy and bad guy fight lightsabers space battle ominous dialogue might as well not even see the movie now๐
Freddit- ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:09:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kyle and Ren are in different places. That mashup is a misdirection.
Sparksman91 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:09:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone made wallpapers yet?
Especially the shot of Kylo picking up the saber
_Hounds_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:09:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh wow, they werenโt kidding about the details in this one. Still amazing though.
APF429 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:09:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Damn this is a nice distraction from the Indians game
ReclaimLesMis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:10:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Could anyone transcribe Luke's lines? I can't understand what he says.
RiseoftheTrumpwaffen ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:12:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bitch he scared of Rey.
ReclaimLesMis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:14:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, got that. I wanted to know the exact words.
Soxwin91 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:12:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh what I transcribed isnโt perfect. I got the gist of it in here though
RiseoftheTrumpwaffen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:15:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
โIve only seen one other with such raw power. I wasnโt afraid of it then. I am now.โ
ReclaimLesMis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:16:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks.
Soxwin91 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:13:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iโve only seen this kind of raw power once before.
It didnโt scare me enough then.
It does now.
This is not going to go
The way you (seem to?) think it will
Thatโs all I caught that I remember clearly
ReclaimLesMis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:14:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you!!!
Rindain ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:10:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
โThis is not going to go the way you think!โ
Luke been hiding his power and about to teach someone a lesson in badassery.
DrAjax0014 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:10:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rey and Snoke interaction! I wonder if that means Rey gets captured again (hope not) or Rey gets to take on some of Snoke's guards, because that would be badass!
kidkudi420 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:10:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Okay guys, WITHOUT spoilers, how bad are these so called spoilers that Mark Hammil and the director were warning us about in the trailer??? I haven't watched or read anything yet.
Soxwin91 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:11:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Misdirections I think.
RiseoftheTrumpwaffen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean you canโt tell anything specific but there are suggestions as to what happens you may not want to know.
Then again they could all be fake outs
okbeast ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:10:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok it might seem to spoil a lot, but I watched it once, didnโt look into it, and still think a lot of he โspoilersโ are just misdirections
Frankocean2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:10:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love the dark tone. And it seems the plot regarding kylo is very clear.
Ein_Schattenwaechter ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:10:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The lighting in the final scene def. isn't the same place.
LordJournalism ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:10:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
PORG!!!
vmh21 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:10:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At the start and at 1:55 you can see original style looking AT-AT's.
Carlosnuila ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:10:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's red all the way through! I love it!!!
jgerardaf ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:11:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean the spoiler is Finn is awake.
Codename-CCC12 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:12:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs been 12 minutes and shits going crazy. Itโs amazing, I cannot wait.
papajim22 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:12:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Such an awesome trailer, with what seems to be misdirection on the editor's part. December can't come soon enough!
My_Fox_Hat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:12:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That little creature growling with Chewie is going to be sold in stores for months. He's going to be in every household's Christmas presents
not_a-replicant ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:17:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The porgs are already in stores!
backfire103 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:25:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have purchased more than I care to publicly admit.
Cyndaquilfan123 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:12:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't seen it yet, how spoilery is it?
brandonorlowski ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:14:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's hints of things that maaaay happen, but it's all speculation, honestly.
CptKirk2063 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:13:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope Luke saying this will not go the way you think was to Kylo
Cptcutter81 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:16:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He seemed to be wearing something similar to when he was infront of Rey a few seconds earlier, but I'd love it if it turned out that was at his betrayal, as it was raining then too.
CptKirk2063 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:27:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would be very cool as well
fingers621 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:13:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Biggest reveal was Chewie's pet penguin.
EERgasm ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:13:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke even says, "This will not go how you think"....
Misdirection galore.
Looks like we get to see how Kylo blew up the Academy, and some Snoke backstory.
BroDameron_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:13:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end is 100% misdirection. She's probably talking to Luke.
ListenToRalph ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:13:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
new AT-AT's looking like giant gorillas
Gayhard_Munch ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:13:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Episode 7, Rey wears mostly light colored clothing. Ep 8, she wears gray. Lots of symbolism, just like Luke in Ep 6.
Mihairokov ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:13:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trailer spoilers are obvious misdirections and great talking points for the next two months
TyrionBananaster ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:13:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So... anyone here still think the Porgs are going to make this movie too cutesy? After watching this?
Holy crap, this was a dark trailer.
Snickfalls ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:14:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At the beginning, instead of Kylo, part of me thinks Snoke is really talking to Rey.
HazonDakir ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:41:36 on October 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thats a very interesting idea.
nosliwhtes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:14:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure how I feel about panicked old man crazy Luke. I really need him to be God tier.
RunRobotRun911 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:14:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo looks 200% M A D!
SnuggleMonster15 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:14:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know what spoilers you guys are talking about. Can someone explain?
Twisted8999 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:14:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hereโs the real question.. Did that trailer give away too much?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:14:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Calling it now.
Rey and Kylo reject the old way of Luke and Snoke and unite against the destructive conflict that has torn apart the galaxy for generations.
brandonorlowski ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:15:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would be nuckin' futs.
ProdigyPistol ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:14:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Very excited for many things:
Captain Phasma looks like she'll actually be used
Fin isn't paralyzed or anything
A Kylo-Rey teamup!
And a cute owl thing to keep Chewie company
N5Y ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:17:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
its a porg u egg
sage6paths ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:14:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can someone tell me why Kylo's face is different at the end of the trailer then at the beginning?
md11086 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:15:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was just some sort of bandage thing probably
Tenrac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:18:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think what we are seeing is two different periods of time. In the beginning of the trailer his facial wound is still healing, and has some type of star wars bandage on it. Then, at the end, it is later and the wound has healed more.
me_funny__ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:15:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Scary bad guy turning good is honestly overdone at this point. I really hope stays evil. Hopefully this movie won't disappoint.
EternalCookie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:15:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo is the last Jedi. Calling it now!
Wafzig ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:15:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hope we see some bad-ass piloting from Kylo. His Dad/Grandpa/Uncle were all pretty good pilots...
mixablealloy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:15:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I donโt know what that tiny creature was with chewy, but I want 50 of them.
imbored53 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:37:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just don't get it wet or feed it after midnight.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:15:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Thor_2099 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:16:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They gave us something to keep us busy the next two months :)
Barefootin_Along ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:15:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I NEED TO GET OFF REDDIT
GoalieJohnK ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:15:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone got a change of pants?
ijustwanttogohome2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:25:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Should have had a box of tissues ready, filthy casual.
BenSolo12345 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:16:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This film looks like it is going to be everything I want it to be and more.
Thor_2099 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:18:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same. I'm so excited for this. Can't wait to see more of this story unfold. Still hoping Rey is Luke's daughter!
BenSolo12345 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:20:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The way I see it, one of two outcomes is possible:
Trilligan_Island ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:16:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Am I the only one who thinks Snoke is talking to Kylo? Cause he did not find Rey as far as we are concerned. He did find Kylo and turn him...and it does go to Kylo and not rey until heโs finished...heโs definitely talking about Kylo.
eatmymonkey ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:52:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe he's talking to Luke?
Trilligan_Island ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:53:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thatโs the only other answer I would accept...damn you put it into a whole new perspective.
TheWebDoc ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:16:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy cow that was amazing!
limitless__ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:16:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?
Chipman94 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:16:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kyloโs cool self healing scar thing is super badass.
jellyfungus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:16:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Andy Serkis is snoke confirmed
stoicsmile ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:17:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't think I could get more excited than for Episode 1 when I was a kid. Then I didn't think I could get more excited than The Force Awakens a couple years ago.
I'll never be more excited for a movie than for this one.
pmqv ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:17:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When I found you, I saw RAW, AND WRIGGLING
Can't un-hear now, dammit.
jellyfungus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:17:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space Penguins
Skarface08 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:17:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can someone explain what they mean by the last jedi?
olddicklemon72 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:18:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Was the a variation on the imperial march in the early bits?
IronKnuckles64 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:18:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stayed up till 3.00am to watch a star wars trailer. Worth it.
ProfessorDerp22 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:18:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snoke torturing Rey, yikes
deftPirate ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:19:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finn vs Phasma looks like it's gonna be badass!
Thor_2099 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:20:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love that rivalry. Finn looks awesome in that armor.
deftPirate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:25:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And Phasma's looks even better in that closeup!
Maverick721 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:20:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know the director warn me not to watch this but I just couldn't help myself. :(
bitbee ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:20:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We can speculate all we want but we still know nothing until December 14th. See you boys and girls then.
Colt_XLV ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:20:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who was that rising from the flame?
ZebZ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:21:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Flashback of Luke coming out of the rubble left by Kylo destroying the Jedi academy.
Colt_XLV ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:22:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But that was a left hand. Luke's right hand was robotic
ZebZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:24:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oooh.
gasgiant405 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:42:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, it was a right hand coming out of the rubble. Just a right hand palm facing the screen, so it looks like a left. The grip at the end of the shot gives it away. Would've been juicy as hell if it had been a left hand though.
Randolm ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:20:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
2032 comments in 20 minutes. Not too shabby. ;)
HanSolosSizzledHeart ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:20:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy fuck that's great
UfaKefay ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:20:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not gonna lie I don't like what they are doing with Luke so far. Seems like they are turning him into a little whiney bitch.....oh wait they did thar with his dad in the prequals. Can't he be the badass he was in the books.
Devon_Ambi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:31:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you really surprised? Based on the trailer alone you can tell that whatever went down at the temple fucked him up mentally real bad.
Lebowski817 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:20:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really like Kylos scar patch, looks dope!
BananaHockey ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:21:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is it just me or do the new ATAT's look like a bunch of gorillas
EckhartsLadder ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:21:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably my favorite Star Wars trailer ever.
ATribeCalledGreg ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:21:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have nothing meaningful to add other than fuck these next 2 months.
jxob ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:21:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ohh boy, that shot of Phasma was some sexy cinematography.
joebxcsnw ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:22:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of the trailer is equivalent to Kanye and Jay-Z levels of collaboration. WATCH THE FORCE.
Nexus_DarkShadow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:22:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is it December yet?
missoms92 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:22:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Whoโs Phil? - my reaction to the delayed โfulfill...your destiny.โ
Giant_SquidAttack ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:22:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo has the most disgusting scab
not_a-replicant ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:23:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mark Hamill really looked and sounded great in this trailer.
Loved the overhead shot of Kylo walking in with the troopers - mirrors Ep3 Anakin.
Loved the shot of the mechanical hand bursting through the rubble.
Finn vs Phasma!
I'm guessing the big "reveals" of this trailer are red herrings and what Rian Johnson was actually trying to warn us about.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:23:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I peed a little
Obzzeh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:23:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ATAT drop ships ftw.
ChronoPsyche ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:23:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's up with the blurry shot of Luke at 1:46?
DolanTheRed ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:23:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Chewbacca wellness check: complete.
Will see.
samhurwitz18 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:23:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy. Crap.
The hype! This is the best looking Star Wars movie, Rian Johnson is amazing! The imagery of the walkers, Luke's hand, the great shots....Snoke, Finn vs. Phasma, AHHHH!
iwatchalotofmovies ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:23:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm so fucking conflicted about watching the trailer. Rian Johnson advised not to but my inner nerd is dying to watch new footage.
Teyanis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:32:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's a hell of a lot of clear misdirection/red herrings, so I'm not buying into anything.
Really good trailer though.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:38:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I still think itโs misdirection
KanesWill ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:24:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where is Benicio del toro thats my biggest question.
JohnnyReno1777 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:24:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Was that a flashback of Vaderโs funeral pyre?
twat--waffle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:29:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably a flashback to Kylo blowing up whatever school Luke made.
JohnnyReno1777 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:32:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Donโt think so: R2 was in the shot as it pans out.
twat--waffle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:36:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's still possible. Completely speculating here, but after Kylo nukes the school, Luke goes into hiding, gives R2 the missing piece of the map, then R2 goes into sleep mode.
JohnnyReno1777 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:41:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good point. Ya as Iโve watched it again, that looks more so like a building on fire than a pyre. Thanks.
bionix90 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:34:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was a flashback of Ben/Kylo burning down Luke's original Jedi Temple down, killing all his students and leaving him for dead... except that he survived.
Phoenix_King76 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:34:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, it is probably a flashback when Kylo and his knights attacked lukes jedi temple.
JohnnyReno1777 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:35:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What about the single hand that twitched in that fire?
br1ff ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:24:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This Christmas. Disney makes another billion dollars. But seriously, can't fucking wait
solarshock ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:24:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Adam Driverโs emotion is perfect!
Tears in Lukeโs eyes really drive home his torment
WU TANG FOREVER
MrDeeds117 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:25:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Guys stop! I can only get so erect
joeydunn22 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:25:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
captain phasma is my new favorite character
TheGeek100 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:30:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She's actually been my favorite all this time
bionix90 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:32:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe this time she won't be a useless traitor sent down a trash compactor.
Hey, Phasma. You're a soldier of the First Order. If they want you to lower the fucking shields so that your weapon of ultimate destruction becomes vulnerable, what you do is scream "Hail Supreme Leader Snoke", and shoot yourself in the head before endangering his grand design.
matata_hakuna ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:25:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The AT ATs in the first shot, stomping the ground with the red dust coming up, near those cliffs. Spoils how they literally slaughter the fighters that attacked them. How both Snoke and Luke mention raw power obviously referring to Rey. Luke on the ground obviously hurt saying this won't end the way you think it is. Kylo targeting Leia. Rey hinting that she joins the dark side. Maybe Kylo switching back over to the light.
Regardless I think way too much was spoiled for me in this trailer and I regret watching it. Still beyond excited.
deftPirate ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:27:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty positive they were referencing Kylo. Luke is saying he saw what Kylo was capable of and did nothing (or did the wrong thing), and won't make that mistake with Rey.
McDreads ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:25:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So should I watch this or are there spoilers?
silversipe87 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:27:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tons of spoilers don't watch
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:31:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Spoilers or misdirection?
silversipe87 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:32:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably some of both
bionix90 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:28:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Plenty of spoilers.
brandonorlowski ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:29:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Meh, they hint at things that "might" happen.
AdventureNoble ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:26:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Does anyone know who Luke is talking about when he says he has only seen such raw power once before?
skategate ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:27:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Either Vader or Kylo ยฏ\(ใ)/ยฏ
ZebZ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:27:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo, clearly. Considering they showed the shot of the destroyed academy as he said it.
rbarton812 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:29:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Perhaps Anakin?
ProdigalTrev ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:29:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo, and Rey probably.
Robinisthemother ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:30:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rey
Jedi-El1823 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:30:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo, because he said it didn't scare him then.
Phoenix_King76 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:32:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was thinking vader at first.
crookedbydesign ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:26:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone is talking about snow, but it's salt. It's a giant salt flat, and I bet those wolf/fox creatures are covered in crystals.
Also, does it look like the new AT-AT's have front legs that will rotate to grip? Possibly to climb that line of cliffs?
masoe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:30:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Great observation. I like this.
Joivid27 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:27:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Could Rey be another child born of the force?
Krative_Lifestyle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:27:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
there was a lot of misdirection there but we have no way of know what was misdirected and what wasnt.
DonnieM27 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:27:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo (and knights of Ren) is a pawn deployed by Luke to destroy both the light and dark side of the force.....my prediction you heard it here first.
Tgclark ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:28:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The opening shot has original AT-ATs in the hangar. Maybe the First Order will reuse some Imperial tech after all.
Gimli_a_Break ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:28:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
God bless you John Williams
MrDeeds117 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:28:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Godddamnn! Literally rolling on the floor
Eisscholle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:28:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Guys cmon up vote the shit out of the post !!
nicebrice ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:28:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit, did anyone else notice how good the cgi is on snoke? It looks incredible
Peanlocket ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:30:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They told me not to watch the trailer but I looked right at it.
Fragzilla360 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:30:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
CGI Chewbacca eyes look weird
DaBrokenMeta ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:30:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Excited for that inevitable Kylo Ren redemption arch in the 9th film!!!
Skorua ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:31:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
PANIC
Death_and_Gravity1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:31:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shout to the whites in Chewies eyes. Something I never thought I want to see and there it is
aentropy75 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:33:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sad seeing Chewbacca flying without Han there beside him.
jedwards999 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:34:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke's hand popping out of the destruction was fucking terrifying
The_Imps_Delight ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:35:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love you guys.
AlbinoNoob21 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:36:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like we may get a good look at Luke's remastered Jedi Temple failure. Better view of shit burning at least.
freedvictors ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:37:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Goddammit Disney. You win. I will buy your porg plushies.
freedvictors ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:38:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also, holy flippin heck this trailer is amazing. I cannot wait for December.
MisterMcFunk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:39:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"This is not going to go the way you think!" - Rian Johnson speaking to us through Luke
morroIan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:40:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah that was my thought on one of my rewatches.
yumyuminmatumtum ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:39:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even with what they showed, I still feel like they didn't show TOO much of the plot. Hell we didn't even see Rose!
DreamingofFlorida ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:40:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When they show the close-up of Leia's face, I was reminded of Empire Strikes Back, when Luke was calling out for help to Leia, and they were force-communicating. Perhaps she is doing the same with Kylo.
Also, what if, at the very end of the trailer, Kylo is actually reaching out his hand to LEIA? To help her in some way??
I think there is lots of misdirection in the trailer. Can't wait to see it!
vhiran ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:48:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
props to adam driver for looking like he was about to throw up when considering taking that shot.
DonnieM27 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:41:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Geez whizz this snoke dude looks like Vader at the end of 6th movie. But they burnt Vader.....just like his helmet.
BlueSurfingWombat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:41:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
X-Wing nitrous confirmed
RiseoftheTrumpwaffen ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:44:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Too Fast Too Sidious
rocketpastsix ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:41:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Imgur album of screenshots I took.
https://imgur.com/a/PQRuf
a10kendall ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:42:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can we talk about how great that music was too? If we get music like this throughout the film then it will top The Force Awakens by a mile.
ujpops ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:42:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm going to watch this movie.
-BMP- ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:42:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think Luke will refuse to train Rei to her full potential. โItโs time for the Jedi to end.โ She will seek out Kylo for his help in some way.
MeanSurray ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:43:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Okay listen up this is what will happen: Luke figures out that Rey is as strong as Snoke. He refuses to go with her to destroy Snoke. She goes alone, gets captured and tortured by Snoke. Luke finds out, follows her and before he can reach her Kylo takes him by surprise and hurts him bad and leaves him for dead. He goes to Rey and rescues her from Snoke. They both destroy Snoke. They form a pact to bring order to the galaxy. Like a mad evil king and his queen. Movie ends with both Snoke and Luke still alive, albeit very very hurt. (Luke lost an arm)
Yamaha234 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:43:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hereโs my quick prediction of the seriesโ direction based off the trailer:
Rey is upset Luke decides to not train her. She confronts Kylo and confesses her thoughts to him. He, in a moment of compassion and accidentally tipping towards the light, agrees to help her find her way. He takes her to Snoke, thinking he will help her the way he helped him. Instead, Snoke chokes the fuck out of her as punishment for Kylo caving into the light just a little. However, this finally pushes Kylo into the light fully, and he saves Rey completely betraying Snoke and the First Order.
Episode IX will feature a (mostly) good guy Ben Solo, with Snoke being the absolute primary Antagonist.
MeanSurray ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:46:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sure weโll just forgive the psycopath killing both his parents. No, my theory is far superior.
Yamaha234 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:24:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First off, we donโt know if he actually kills Leia.
Second, I didnโt say he would be forgiven. I said he would be a (mostly) good guy. Besides, Luke forgave Vader why canโt Rey forgive Kylo?
This isnโt a competition.
MeanSurray ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:57:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was joking stop being so serious. My theory is superior. Kneel for my theory.
Bryce2826 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:43:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really dont believe we were shown anything major that we didn't already know from previous trailers/media. However, I have a theory about certain scenes, including the final scene...
Spoilers
Just a thought.
TheOtherSkywalker_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:44:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Feels way more fantastical than any of the others. I like it.
fasnoosh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:44:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke has seen the raw strength before in Kylo Ren. He was not scared, but now he sees the same thing in Rey. He is scared now, due the past trauma. Luke then abandons rey due to fear of repeating history. Rey goes and finds Kylo for guidence. And Kylo and Rey are siblings.
Electric_god ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:44:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I absolutely love the way that when Rey is practicing with her lightsaber it matches up perfectly with the music and then the rock breaks on the next beat. Luke looks terrified and I peed my pants.
BlazeKnight7 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:44:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure someone has pointed this out already, but I'm pretty certain the Rey and Kylo scene at the end is a massive misdirect.
The lighting on Rey's face is more of a subtle warmth more of a gentle feel, and only covers part of her face, while Kylos is much more of a red color and the light flickers slightly, while Rey's light is consistent the entire time.
there's also no smoke or flames in the background, evidenced by the background being still while there's clearly moving smoke behind Kylo.
I think the Rey scene is during her training with Luke in a cave of some kind, while the Kylo scene is during a battle, perhaps him saving a fellow first order member, offering another hero to turn to the Darkside, Or maybe even offering himself to Luke? (this one's probably a stretch but it's not completely out of possibility)
twat--waffle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:47:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's right before he guts his mother like he did his father.
BlazeKnight7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:03:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno if they'd go that route tbh
Mumorperger ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:45:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wot I think will happen:
We see Kylo thinking about killing Leia, and then cut to him raging out. I think he will fail to kill Leia and then later receive a report that she died later anyways. This failure to kill her and his rage over her death is what causes him to freak out.
Codyw28 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:45:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is anyone elseโs brain machine exploding with theories?
Satyrsol ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:46:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So why are the big AT-ATs literal knuckle-draggers? They seem to walk on "knuckles", and more to the point, one of them seems to drag the "knuckles".
Wouldn't that be really inefficient?
LuckySpade13 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:47:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's said that these are designed after gorillas so that they don't get tripped up like the old AT-ATs
lw934 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:46:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think all of our hearts sank at that first shot of Gen. Leia...
Kimjongillun ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:47:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke taking a tyrion approach
Portatort ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:47:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Still so much we haven't seen, Canto Bight, DJ, Rose, Paige, Admiral Holdo, lightsaber on lightsaber action,
ayram3824 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:47:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
trailers usually impress me like 4-5 times a year
that was impressive.
chekeymonk10 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:47:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So Kylo has to kill his mother-and he canโt do it.
I KNEW Kylo could be redeemed somehow.
AbsolXGuardian ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:47:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Does anyone have any ideas about the silhouette in the first shot? I thought it might be Rae Solane at first, but I think that might be wishful thinking.
Red_coats ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:48:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's Kylo.
AbsolXGuardian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:52:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's my second guess, and another comment is backing up your thoughts so I'm inclined to agree with you.
OviraptorGaming ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:49:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs Kylo Ren.
AbsolXGuardian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:52:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's my second guess, and another comment is backing up your thoughts so I'm inclined to agree with you.
thatstarwarsdude ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:52:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She'd be a really old woman at this point
AbsolXGuardian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:18:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She's 74. That's her age. She was 19 years before the clone wars started. And even without advanced space medicine, in our world she would still be capable of having what's basically a desk job commanding folks.
Ryno555 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:47:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know if the amount of WTF's and Holy Shit's that came out of my mouth watching this trailer will ever be topped. WOW - Hype Level 1000
thehangryhippo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:48:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"This is not going to go the way you think"
DarthCondescending ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:48:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is that a mod on Poe's x-wing?
Portatort ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:48:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the lack of any lightsaber on lightsaber action here, makes me think the main lightsaber fight in this film will be Luke v Kylo, which they wouldn't dare put in a trailer.
scottemonk52 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:48:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Star Wars isnโt Star Wars without friends
KingKrisspyKream ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:49:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
$10s fin is going to call phasma traitor.
jewnior109 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:49:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looking like they trying to throw some hard curve balls with all these cuts between scenes. The Kylo/Leia scene, the Kylo/Rey scene, too hard to tell what's what. Bought my tickets about 3 seconds after the trailer finished, so keen!
CantaloupeCamper ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:49:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe a lot of misdirection but still.... i kinda like those scenes to be fresh..er.
RiseoftheTrumpwaffen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:50:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In reality all the dialogue happens during a tense but cordial dinner party with all the important people.
the_tailor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:53:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is that firey house with Luke in it a flashback to his Jedi training school being destroyed?
Perhaps Luke saying he felt this power before was Luke referencing Snoke. Snoke destroys the school. He feels the same power in Rey and refuses to train her, attempting to make himself the Last Jedi. Rey rebels, leading to the interaction with Kylo and Snoke.
infestedjoker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:54:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would be better.
eatmymonkey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:59:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I also think Luke was talking about Snoke and i think near the end that Snoke is talking to Luke in a flashback maybe.
E1hwaz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:54:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You all hide and watch, those large walkers at the start of the trailer can totally walk on two legs.
parkaboy75 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:54:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Perhaps at the end of the trailer Rey is addressingโ, not Kylo, but either a force ghost or a Shaman if the Whills. It was deliberately edited to make us believe Rey was seeking answers from Kylo.
It is apprant though, Kylo is struggling with his identity and his aligence. Patricide will have that effect on you.
1000thghost ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:55:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thankfully this should put to rest all the she's a Skywalker crap
whysoserious409 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:55:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's very interesting that Luke is afraid. Yoda spoke about avoiding fear and Luke had his iconic "I'm not afraid line". Doesn't seem to add up. I'm thinking one of the story arcs is how Luke is afraid and therefore has lost his way. That could roll into an explanation about him going into exile or why he won't leave exile for this crisis.
AnakinShitposter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:12:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But Yoda called it. "You will be... you... will be."
Filmmagician ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:56:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looks awesome. Looks like it'll be darker. Was hoping to hear classic star wars score, but, oh well. Cannot effing wait
BklynWhovian ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:56:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Porg = Chewie's snack.
MondoBizarro ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:02:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This movie looks like it will be really heavy, need those Porgs for some levity. That's gonna be Chewie's new buddy.
therealjpop ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:56:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe Lando is in the Falcon lol
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:57:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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RiseoftheTrumpwaffen ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:01:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jedi in the streets
Sith between the sheets.
a_fking_feeder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:01:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yeah that's a very popular theory, that she'd be a gray jedi
Daisy_Of_Doom ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:58:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nothing really to add to the conversation, I'm just majorly stoked!
MondoBizarro ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:00:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me too!!
Daisy_Of_Doom ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:05:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yay!!
Duckman1337 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:58:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
hi /r/all
inb4 this doesn't reach all
IhaveAmanCave ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:58:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who got their tickets?!
bigdog2330 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:58:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is that luke in front of a burning jedi temple?!?
sciencedenton ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:01:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They explained that in Force Awakens. Luke was trying to reestablish the Jedi order, then Kylo and the Knights of Ren killed everyone and burned the place down .
bigdog2330 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:05:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Huh, I don't remember that from the movie. I just thought it was just a popular fan theory. I guess I need to rewatch it!
sciencedenton ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:07:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Han explains it to Finn and Rey when they're looking over the map in the Falcon.
grantly0711 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:06:58 on November 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's the Joker.
MichaelM_Yaa ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:59:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That shot of SNOKE is INCREDIBLE!
ehgarcia331 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:08:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think he may be palpatine
MichaelM_Yaa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:12:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
maybe he is rey grandfather
CrayzeyHayzey ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:59:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I came.
theTANbananas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:59:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just hope we see some raw power from Luke. He is supposed to have become a very powerful jedi master, after all
sum12321 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:59:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't realize it before, but Kylo makes me think of a young Alan Rickman/Snape from Harry Potter.
StormtrooperFinn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:59:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That trailer suggests a story so brilliant, so desirable, that I would hope it's what we get, but I wish I didn't know anything about it. Make sense?
Gundam336 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:59:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Already preordered tickets
ProfessorPancakes917 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:00:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo goes good, Rey goes bad. Calling it now.
sirms ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:00:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
no one's gonna talk about the insane amount of CGI here?
brandonorlowski ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:05:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The way of the world nowadays...
sirms ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:07:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Abrams didn't do it.
I mean. I haven't seen the movie yet. maybe there will be more adherence to the George Lucas style than this trailer is letting on, but right now I'm a little nervous.
glad to know that Abrams will be directing 9 so this def won't be an issue
WeylandCorp4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:09:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It shouldn't be
Fragzilla360 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:05:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I already did
Scarbane ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:01:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://i.imgur.com/gJn7Bom.gifv
Ryanbrasher ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:01:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's no way Ren pulls the trigger when its locked on the bridge of Leia's ship.
He's still struggling with the pull to the light and Snoke is going to abandon him for it, taking on Rey as his pupil. Shes struggling to find her place and wants answers, Luke won't help her but Snoke will.
Watch Kylo Ren and Rey swap sides at the end of the film.
cmath89 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:02:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No BB-h8 footage? OUTRAGE! /s
bionix90 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:16:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We see a bit of him in the space battle.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:04:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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3ntr0py_ ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:07:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, he has his scar there.
prettyhappydude ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:08:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Goood call. he can time travel!!!
longshanks7 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:04:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
OH MY FUCKING GOD WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK DUDE NO WAIT FUCK GOD
lettucebang ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:05:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When the lightsaber sounds synced with the music mmmm
Jblack2236 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:05:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ohhhh shiiitt son
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:05:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just noticed, Kylo's Face scars don't match up from the trailer to the poster.
for_the_revolution ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:13:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's got some weird tape over it
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:14:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Spooky
kaltivel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:16:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As in they're placed wrong or because he has the metal thing on the trailer shot?
dfrtyfiver ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:10:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And what is with the metal mesh inside the "new" scar? It was already healed, so I wouldn't think it's some sort of space age stitches.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:11:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And why the inconsistencies within content released on the same day? Maybe the metal is added within the course of the film?
dfrtyfiver ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:26:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Could be that. Maybe it's from a flashback?
zeroarelius ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:08:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
SPLOOSH
Subbert10 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:08:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Noooo, thatโs not true, thatโs impossible!
Rogue_N_PeasantSlave ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:08:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Speculation: Kylo holding out his hand is "force-cave Kylo" who Rey has battled, starting in the foggy area we see near the start of the trailer.
cruzercruz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:10:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://media.giphy.com/media/l1J9IUxqAptvGdSBq/giphy.gif
YandalfTheYellow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:11:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Andy Serkis says โrawโ like he does for Gollum.
sonic7777 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:11:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like Luke refuses to train Rey further because of the raw power. She then tells him that she will learn from Kylo or snoke to learn to destroy them if he won't train her. He then tell her it won't go the way she thinks. She is not ready
Nelsaroni ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:11:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love trailers like this. I have no idea what I saw, but it was amazing.
dizacht ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:12:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can someone make that shooting stars meme with Rey being force tortured please
Aquaticwhales ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:13:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone's talking about Jedis and Snoke and i can't stop think about Chewies new Hampster-Penguin friend.
Brad_Chanderson ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:13:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How the fuck can they not get Chewie.right? Itโs been shit since ROTS...
mylovedrc ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:14:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
tfw you have shit tons of kylo helmet related merchandise and he wrecks it in the second movie he appears in
mjc1027 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:14:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't believe Darth Vader is Luke's Father....
racquell ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:15:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rey to the dark side, kylo to the light
commander217 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:17:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The person with that power once before better be Vader, I mean cmon, HE WAS THE CHOSEN ONE.
FloatMy_GoatBoat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:17:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snoke is a gross motherfucker.
Fragzilla360 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:25:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is true
FloatMy_GoatBoat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:26:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is known Khaleesi.
Fragzilla360 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:27:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Call me Khal Vader
Codyw28 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:18:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did anyone notice how pained Kylo looked in many of these scenes? Very interesting...
Ryanbrasher ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:22:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's totally going to change sides. i can see it now
smokedspirit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:19:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stayed up till 4am to wait for this to drop.
Have spent the last hour just Sat on the toilet waiting...
And it's hype!
Dikardo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:19:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Too many comments to look, but did anyone notice the gold underneath Lukes robe?
gyutop ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:23:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes! I wonder if the robe itself might be a Jedi relic.
Dikardo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:50:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think Snoke and Luke have a relationship; Luke was looking for other force users, right?
He finds Snoke (or vice versa), they train together. Snoke is able to cherry pick from Lukes โstable.โ
Snoke witnesses Kylo, and sees he is is very powerful, Snoke exploits that. New Jedi are all fucked up.
Luke is beaten and dismayed.
Rey finds Luke... heโs only seen raw power like that, once before.
Poiter54 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:58:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo betrayed Luke during his training. Killing other Jedi trainees
Dikardo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:08:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why? Also, they are padawans, not trainees.
Galle_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:20:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Alright, now I'm optimistic. There's going to be at least one major space battle, so it can't just be a retread of ESB.
b0rgullet ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:20:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Audio based justification of dark side Rey theory
At about 0:26 we start hearing a rendition of a dark side theme through shots of Rey talking about something inside her always being there. NOW THIS IS THE BIG PART: Listen to the the sound her lightsaber makes at 0:44. IT MAKES THE EXACT SAME SOUND PATTERN. It matches rhythm AND pitch. It is only slightly off time in the measure, I think this is meant to make it not so immediately noticeable (i.e. there is a shorter distance in time between the last time you hear those notes and the sound of the lightsaber than between the last time you hear those notes and the time before that, make sense?) Thoughts?
EDIT: Formatting, Spelling
sageleader ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:26:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't put too much into this. In the TFA trailer Luke says "The force is strong in my family. My father had it, I have it, you have that power too." He doesn't say that in the film anywhere. He recorded it just for the trailer. Just because it's in a trailer doesn't mean it will be in the movie.
olddicklemon72 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:57:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was from ROTJ
sageleader ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:32:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The last part of that "you have that power too" wasn't in RoTJ. It was recorded only for TFA trailer
olddicklemon72 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:38:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
incorrect
b0rgullet ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:35:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course. But we should certainly be looking for thematic hints from the trailer, even if some are misdirection. My thoughts are that the super subtle stuff (like this) is more likely to be indicative of what will actually happen, but that is just speculation.
Felipefabricio ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:21:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
OH BOY THE HYPE
mandaryn72 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:24:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have NEVER wanted to wake my 10 year old up as much as I do right now...heโs going to flip!! I love it!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:27:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hopefully Luke wasn't talking about my exam on Thursday not going the way I think.
pmMeOurLoveStory ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:29:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The shots in this trailer are STUNNING. Damn. Did they get a new cinematographer?
for_the_revolution ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:44:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep! TFA had Dan Mindel, and TLJ has Steve Yedlin. Neither have had very noteworthy careers, though. Rian Johnson, the director, is definitely adding a lot to the mix.
Jbird_87 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:29:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is that Snoke that has Rey bent backwards?? There's a body in the background of that scene with a gold robe on. And Snoke has on a gold robe while he's reaching out.
GrandZebraCrew ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:35:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. that's Snoke and Rey. Freaky.
Contreras1991 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:31:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I got some KOTOR vibes right here for some reason
legarrettesblount ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:32:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd love to see them GOT this, develop several independent subplots then tie them together in the last movie
cassiopieces ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:33:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It seems he is talking to Kylo Ren, maybe. Snoke says, "When I found you..." which doesn't imply it's a 'he' that he's talking to. In the novel "Bloodlines" Snoke already knows Ben Solo exists in Leia's womb. Snoke pulls at him and it is stated in the book. This is speculation, but it seems that the opening dialogue is about Rey. She seems pretty special. We've all seen what she did in TFA. He could very well be talking to Kylo, and about Kylo, but even the part of dialogue I just posted makes me believe that Rey is the subject of the sentence.
Kiostuv ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:39:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I read Bloodline and don't remember Snoke being mentioned at all. I remember there being a mention of Kylo training with Luke but nothing beyond that.
for_the_revolution ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:38:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Books aren't canon
cassiopieces ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:39:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My mistake, I meant the book "Star Wars: Bloodline" Amazingly enough they're canon for those who can read
for_the_revolution ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:48:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, I mean all of the Star Wars books have been declared as not canon to the movies.
Unless Bloodline was excluded from that rule, using that as a source for predictions is useless. Feel free to correct me if i'm wrong, though.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:19:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No... anything book before 2014 is not canon. All the new books are definitely canon buddy.
jopaymc_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:35:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
2:07 of the trailer shows similar lighting to RotJ and TFA for Luke and Kylo. She too is torn, but why tho? Will Luke give up on her because he did see this power before and it does scare him now? I dunno.
ironphan24 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:36:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One of my favorite parts is that shot of electricity flying in front of Phasma's face. Can't wait for her time to shine. (big fan of Brienne)
planetcraig ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:37:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
confirmed kylo ren is the last jedi
JoblessSniper ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:39:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was just thinking the entire time about the theory. I really felt like Snoke was talking to her in the beginning.
planetcraig ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:49:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
maybe he was talking to darth vader
jryan1991 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:39:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yass! The power! Thanks e men should fear.
gmtegins ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:39:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I imagine Luke joining the darkside!!! Hammil likes playing the villain
darfmaj ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:41:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think we'll find out Luke trained Snoke and he is the "raw power" that he should have been afraid of
brandonorlowski ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:53:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snoke is Sors Bandeam confirmed
ArceusBlitz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:44:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
UGH this was so amazing. I swear Kylo better not kill Leia cause I'm gonna bawl. Seeing Snoke in the flesh was awesome. I hope he doesn't kill Rey. Finn and Phasma battling it out is gonna be so cool. And that last scene though! Whhhaat?
stupidtyonparade ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:00:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
wow, did you drink all of the kool aid or just most of it?
ArceusBlitz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:02:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is my personal opinion...
acogs53 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:46:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But will we see Matt, the radar technician?
madforpeace ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:47:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where is Jar Jar theory conspiracies???
I_Work_For_The_GovT ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:48:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snoke giving Rey the ultimate force orgasm.
surfwax584 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:50:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
that scene where peeps are thinking Rey turns to the dark side towards the end when Kylo puts out his hand def can't be true.. he doesn't have the carbon scar yet.. that scene is prob just "him" and earlier in the film no?
Edit: unless that carbon scar is like a Wolverine type technology
lowpaidnoverfed ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:59:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm hard of hearing, would someone give me all the quotes from this trailer?
senior_dgaf ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:00:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When I found you I saw raw untamed hype!
3ntr0py_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:01:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if the Raw Strength/Power comparison mentioned is between Rey and Darth Vader? Luke turns her down so she seeks the help of Kylo and Snokes to teach her about the force. Kylo senses hes being put on the back burner by Snoke hence his tantrum and willingness to kill Leia because he thinks his past is suppressing his full potential. In the end, Kylo couldnโt kill Leia and he flips and stops Rey from making the same mistake he did.
deltaWhiskey91L ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:07:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm expecting Rey and Snoke to have a scene between the two of them in the dark cave where Rey asks a riddle of Snoke to figure out what she has in her pocket.
Mackaf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:42:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A porg in her pocket
Jagasaur ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:09:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So, Finn has a lightsaber?
Godzilla54 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:14:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, one of them riot baton things. Saw them in the behind the scenes video released recently. I do hope he gets one, that'd be nice
johndelvec3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:16:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lightning Baton thingy. I thought exactly as you at first glance
Jagasaur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:23:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah okay. That would have been sort of cool, but flashy baton thing fits his arc much better.
blueindsm ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:13:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sooo....when do we get the International Trailer?
meanstreetpussy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:13:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What a fucking trailer!
AH_Josh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:18:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who is at 0:55? Also porg so cute:)
ChrisWubWub ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:37:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean R2 is righ there so I assume its Luke after he escaped the fire looking on
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:22:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some old dude. Probably a bad guy or another relative of Kylo
AH_Josh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:23:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Intresting. I think this scene means more than we think? Also where's my obi-wan?! :(
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:07:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
...He's been dead for thirty years
4609203 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:19:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where did Kylo's carbon fiber stitches go?
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:38:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably in the garbage after doing their job?
surfwax584 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:26:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wolverine Technology
Gamesison ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:19:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are we not going to talk about the AT-ATs on steroids? I thought they were just modified AT-ATs but if you look closely you can see regular ones next the giant gorilla like one. They are menacingly HUGE.
nateakabrog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:54:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Didnโt even notice this first time watching but now that you bring it up they are MASSIVE.
Jennondorf ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:24:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
..
have my money Fandango
drguillen13 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:25:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What is Kylo saying in his monologue? I can't tell
"When the parents die... kill it.. if you have to" ???
FazbearADULTEntBS ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:26:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Let the past die...kill it, if you have to."
AlphaMooseXIII ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:26:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really Rosh they would give Finn a lightsaber, even if he wasn't a Jedi. He can clearly begin to understand how to use one.
meehan101 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:27:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stopped watching after 30 seconds, im convinced to see it don't need any more potential spoilers.
SymbioticVariables ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:33:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am guessing Rey might have went berserk as a child causing collateral damage when Ben attacked Luke's new jedi order.
burningblacksun ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:42:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Any chance luke has the same results from solitude as yoda. As in the the crazy behavior laughing and not being yoda like. Though luke obviously isn't the laughy kinda of crazy but maybe the other side of that spectrum.
A_Wild_Zyra ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:54:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is Leia the real deal, or is that the same technology they used for Tarkin in Rogue One?
RiseoftheTrumpwaffen ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:58:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She was there during filming of the movie pretty sure they got her scenes done before she passed
MicroWin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:57:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They wrapped before Carrie died I think so real, yes.
DC26DC ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:57:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"I've seen this raw strength only once before..."
guineapig_69 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:58:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That was way to spoilery I'm upset that I watched it.
PodTheImpaler ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:01:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The shot of Snoke attacking Rey made me think of Hanโs line to Kylo : โWhen he gets what he wants, heโll crush you.โ
AlbyStan71 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:11:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is anyone else sad that Kylo destroys his helmet? That thing is so badass, I hope we get to hear him talk even just a little bit with it on in this movie! The voice in TFA...gave me goosebumps. Who knows how far into the movie he'll destroy it. It does make perfect sense for his character development though to destroy it.
muffin80r ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:15:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In that opening scene of Kylo he's looking out over a hanger bay with dropships holding multiple AT-ATs on each side - Snoke's ship?
bandk111 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:16:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is it weird that I don't think we've seen Rey' s arms fully, still?
ownage99988 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:18:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
broo
mrglubglub ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:21:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you don't see the person actually saying the words you probably won't even hear it in the actual movie.
capybara14 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:23:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone else feel a little uncomfortable when it showed Chewie?
mathemon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:55:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, he looked a little off. Like maybe he was CG or CG enhanced.
FirebirdTA ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:55:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's CG in that shot which took me off guard. Had to check and see if Peter Mayhew was in credits.
Mackaf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:17:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mayhew retired after TFA. He cant act anymore due to age and physical limitation
IronDragonRider ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:29:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe the title says it all, it's so simple. In the teaser we hear Luke say the Jedi must die. Meaning the beliefs, morals, way of thinking, feeling and acting, basically the Jedi religion is too soft. It's what cause them to fall. So a new religion must be made. Like how the Canon has grey Jedi. And that's what he's been doing all these years in self exile. Which we also see very old books of the Jedi. Could be going the ways way before anyone can remember.
Mackaf ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:16:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ancient Jedi were grey Jedi before it fractured into dark amd light
IronDragonRider ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:02:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not too familiar with them. I was just using that as an example. Since Disney isn't acknowledging the Canon
twentyoneTIEpilots ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:43:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First Order AT-STs http://prntscr.com/gvh5mw
RomeosHomeos ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:43:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit all of the leaks I read were right I'm going to die
HK-47b ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:40:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bladerunner was cool.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:46:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can tell I'm going to like this more that the force awakens.
trsvrs ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:56:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The whole trailer had this whole animalistic vibe that I really dug.
The ATs in the beginning lurched like apes, an ice fox, words like "untamed" and "raw," an animal sidekick porg. Even the ships crashing into the red sand and breaking apart instead of exploding reminded me of a downed bird. The brutishness and kineticism of Finn's Z6 riot baton, too.
It seemed more physical than technological, which is a bit different, but I really thought it was super cool.
the_nidificator ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:57:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Idk how this'll end up, but someone's hand is definitely getting cut off in this one.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:03:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iโve been feeling so depressed all day and having this on repeat made my heart tingle.
jerkin_on_jakku ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:24:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same bro. I'm happy for the first time in a while.
Trust_Me_ImFrog ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:12:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't Snoke that rat who trained Ninja Turtles ?
Gestrid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:14:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is getting out of hand. Now it's trending on three subreddits in /r/all!
germainelol ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:18:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That soundtrack though
m0atzart ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:18:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Chewie finally gets the pet Han never would allow on the ship.
Mackaf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:10:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gizka
sh4mmat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:18:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So basically, Snoke to Rey:
"You are strong, child, but I will break you."
lichfilms ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:28:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Last time Kylo Ren was close to having a heart to heart moment with someone... well...
mutually_awkward ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:29:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
LOOKS AMAZING. Luke's epic. I love the rawness of Rey's training scenes. Finn vs Phasma โย holy shit.
What a time to be alive!
lastatlas_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:29:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I trust nothing! The final part between Rey and Kylo are in 2 different locations though. I think Rey is talking to Luke by a campfire and Kylo just made a new ally somewhere.
Not_who_you_think__ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:35:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo smashing his mask, his hesitation to fire on Leia's ship, and that line about killing the past and becoming who you're supposed to be... I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that Kylo turns back to the light or becomes a grey Jedi.
Phathom ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:42:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
None of these scenes will be in the movie.
HK-47b ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:33:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Correct.
Coragus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:41:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I though Luke Skywalker was meant to be the most powerful force wielder to ever live?
assuser ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:33:21 on October 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
According to some weird EU book written by some hack, maybe that was the case. If we look at the films themselves there's really nothing at all that should lead a viewer to believe this. Even if you looked at the OT alone there's no reason to think that, he was owned by Palpatine who only got taken out because of hubris over controlling Vader and thus letting his guard down. And if we do take into account the PT, Luke doesn't really hold a candle to the Jedi in their prime just before their fall. That's what makes Luke an interesting character. He's an average Jedi at best who is continually thrown into these situations with other force users who outmatch him. He's 1-1 to Vader, 0-1 to Palpatine, 0-1 to Kylo and ostensibly 0-1 to Rey. He wants whats best for his friends, his family and for the galaxy at large but continually has the odds stacked against him.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 07:01:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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HK-47b ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:32:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He turned his back, like all jedi do, in the end. Meatbags.
loveandmonsters ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:46:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just a note cos I'm super busy, at the end it looks like Kylo is talking to Rey, but if you look at her background it's all calm and stuff, while in his background it's raining fire. If they were in the same area you'd think there'd be a samey background. Could be though that stuff's burning behind him but not her, but just thought I'd add that.
raiigiic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:49:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the most important question we can ask here is: who is luke talking to when he's talking about seeing raw strength before and being afraid? Yoda? Anakin? The obvious would be rey of course, but i feel his facial features and dramatic appearance may state otherwise, and that in fact, he is talking ABOUT rey?
wishbackjumpsta ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:51:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ben?
raiigiic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:54:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it could be! Ewan confirmed? or Alec CGI? or are we talking Ben Solo? perhaps its a final shot.. Ben Solo returns after saving Leia (its her hes reaching out to at the end) and after snoke has convinced rey to turn! Another comment i made was how it definitely looks like Snoke whos torturing her; you can see similar robes/ clothing in the background to what he was wearing in his close up!
MykeeB ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:09:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://i.imgur.com/7gS1maH.jpg
ForgottenKnightt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:06:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably Kylo, since when he's talking about it we can see what I assume it's the Jedi Academy burning.
raiigiic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:15:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like a cave in acht-to to me? The overdub continues and you his hand coming out of the burnt rubble though
raiigiic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:51:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely looks like snoke torturing rey. You can see similar clothing on him in the close up that you also see in the background of her torture!
ThatYoungBro ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:51:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AMC's website says that The Last Jedi runtime is 150 minutes, making it the longest Star Wars movie yet.
rustycrafty ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:51:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hype porgs & chewie
Croft_01 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:54:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This just looks really good
moschles ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:00:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I need someone to show me Rey's place in all this.
ersatz_substitutes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:03:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've been noticing a lot of Disney movies have characters yelling "C'MON" while making a strike during a fight scene. Could just be edited in for the trailer, but Finn does it against Phasma. I've also noticed Captain America do it once or twice. It's kinda in character for him, but I also noticed a villain do it in another movie, I now forget which though.
bon_bons ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:11:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylos scar looks incredible.
FrankFurterPlayz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:49:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This looks cool, I guess probs will only watch it for Luke Skywalker tho aha
GrandZebraCrew ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:52:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Okay maybe really dumb question but is that kylo in the opening shot? I don't recognize him without the cape.
NixFifty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:59:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah
LAW_99 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:01:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What...the fuck... did I just saw? Awesome!
TaddWinter ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:14:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo on Mustafar at the beginning (overhead shot with troops following) and with the outreached hand. Guess he finds Vader's Castle.
aditseth03 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:19:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I contained myself for 6 hours but i had to watch it. Probably a misdirectional trailer but I liked it.
DarthDarDar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:53:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really miss your hair in my face
CrayZz88s ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:09:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo Vs Poe. The traditional and epic TIE vs X-Wing MUST feature at some point.... And I can't wait.
lukasden1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:15:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Damn it lokks dark as fuck
zoidar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:54:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not a big fan of the cinematography. Some great shots here and there and It's certainly better than TFA's but it seems to share the same DNA of it where it feels ultra vivid, ultra clear, almost product shot or magazine photoshoot looking images.
Why couldn't they just have made the cinematography naturalistic like in Looper, Rogue One, or in the old SW films. TLJ is shot on film yet looks so surreal and digital.
brutallamas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:17:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Production value
PyrrhicVictory7 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:56:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ordered midnight tickets to the Australian premier, so excited :D
tyrannustyrannus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:27:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rey isn't going to Kylo for help. The last time she saw him she kicked his ass and left him for dead. If anything he needs her help
Mr_BruceWayne ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:34:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snoke attacking Rey though! HOLY SHIT!
ElzahirAlive ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:19:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not gonna lie I hated the teaser. But this, this right has got me rock solid.
kotor610 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:25:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really had hoped that face slice on kylo would have made him never remove his mask, and we'd get the scar reveal later in the trilogy.
red_keshik ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:43:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why did Luke downgrade his hand ?
teamgizzy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:16:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm thinking just years of rot on an island. no way to upkeep
mutually_awkward ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:08:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It looks like the synthetic skin was torn off during the Knights of Ren's attack on his academy.
ToushiroX10 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:46:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think Luke will ditch Rey because heโs afraid of her power just as he was with Kylo (as seen in the trailer), Then later on near the end of the movie Snoke will pull her to the dark side while over the course of this movie we see Kyloโs journey to the light side (Slowly but surely). I think this whole trilogy is a play on Duality (Thinking of Black Swan in particular) and they are making us believe that Rey is the Hero in this while really this is Kyloโs story of redemption. Heโs the ultimate Antihero and he will be the one to kill Snoke. Not sure how Luke will fit into all this yet but I have this gut feeling it will turn out like this.
Ohiostate124 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:10:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm. At the end, when it looks like Klyo is reaching out to Rey, he doesnโt have that black thing covering his scar. Massive swerves incoming.
primiordinis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:39:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm super excited, but the trailer isn't as full of hype as the TFA trailer. The score isn't really inspiring me..
RomuRaf ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:13:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well it's just another generic trailer music piece (elevated by the SW themes), not really linked with the movie in any way.
skorponok ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:50:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just as I thought. She is bad. I fucking knew it. Heโs going to end up redeeming himself somehow and sheโll go the opposite way.
breezett93 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:34:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even though it is highly unlikely, if Rey mid-way through TLJ does join Kylo and the FO, wreaking havoc on the New Republic, causing Luke to break out of his stupor and make a bad ass return in IX, I would be onboard.
Vyergulf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:17:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is what I think will happen. That he will have to kill both Ren and Rey.
StarWars_and_SNL ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:41:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And let's not forget that some of this may not even end up in the movie.
I'm looking at you, Maz and Rey exchange: "Who arrrre you?" "I am no one."
Bhalgoth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:22:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just noticed that Kylo stretching out his hand to Rey kinda parallels Vader asking Luke to join him in Empire.
ha7on ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:57:54 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good editing. He's not reaching out to Rey.
Shorvok ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:47:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder what kind of training montage there will be for Finn in there for him to have any chance in hell of beating Phasma in hand to hand combat.
RomuRaf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:16:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Matrix kind in his coma. "I know kung-fu"
cel_ad0r ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:10:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When Luke says 'I've only seen this kind of power once before( it shows his hand bursting through the rubble of the Jedi temple...
I think Luke is the one who destroyed it...
bill2401 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:40:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure he was talking about Kylo
deftPirate ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:47:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or Kylo collapsed something on him, which prevented him from intervening.
manuscelerdei ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:24:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It looks like the major theme of the sequel trilogy is old vs. young.
Divewinds ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:29:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't the first trailer feature stuff about 'the balance' as opposed to simply being on the 'light side' and the 'dark side'; everyone's talking about Rey and Kylo possibly switching sides - maybe the whole thing is instead them finding the perfect compromise, using both light and dark?
KidTheCurry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:02:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is not such thing as "the light side". There is "The force" and the "dark side of the force". That whole "light side" thing is video game BS.
NathanielTheGrublet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:56:42 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Saying there is a dark side to the force implies that there is a light side as well. Good and bad. Yin and yang. What you're saying is along the lines of "The moon and the dark side of the moon". Unless you're trying to say that the dark side is actually a part of the force as a whole, in which case I would ask what makes up the other part.
KidTheCurry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:29:29 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The force is just "the force", but the dark side is simply a corrupted aspect of the force. Your Moon analogy does not work here since that specifically pertains to actual, physical, literal light reflecting off of a surface.
NathanielTheGrublet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:45:24 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The force is just "the force", but the dark side is simply a corrupted aspect of the force.
So the dark side is park of the force, and "the force" contains the dark side?
It's an analogy. There is "the moon" and a "dark side of the moon". But let me make it simpler then. An apple with a bruise. The apple is the force and the bruise is the dark side. Or the sound waves from a song coming out of a speaker being the force, and the bass guitar is the dark side. Yes?
KidTheCurry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:17:02 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, yes. Those are much better analogies. Much better.
Leegh229 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:09:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love Supreme Leader Snoke's lines in the trailer: "When I found you, I saw RAW, untamed power! And beyond that...something truly special."
Of all the characters I'm looking forward to seeing the most in The Last Jedi, Snoke has to top the list.
TygarStyle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:01:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Raw and wriggling untamed power!
QuakingPunch ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:42:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This was so good
Wealthyman1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:29:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why the hell does Luke have a mechanical robot hand? ESB had him receiving artificial skin over it
Ottott ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 23:33:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My guess is the skin burned off in Kylo's destruction of the Jedi Temple.
cpillarie ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:41:52 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shoutout to the blaster hole still in his hand from when he got hit in Episode VI, though. Love these continuity details
UberMcwinsauce ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:08:16 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's a neat touch, but why in the world wouldn't he have fixed it by now?
moltenrokk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:29:21 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think Luke ever purchased health insurance.
durdyg ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:35:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have no idea what's going on here.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:31:32 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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cpillarie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:39:53 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
porg* lol
be_vigilant_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:23:38 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jek Porgins
___Blue___ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:41:55 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow! To be honest, I canโt believe weโre alresdy at this point (Iโve been waiting for this for almost two years). Reading the commentsโโ I think that the Leia-Kylo scene is probably legit, and itโs probably how Leia dies. I know it would be impossible given the circumstances, but Iโd prefer it if she died in a less blow-up kind of way. Also, it would be a GREAT plot twist if Rey went to the Dark Side / teamed up with Kylo. I agree that it does look like there was a bit of editing, but who knows..!
Ralph-Hinkley ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:52:27 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rey and Kylo at the end were two different scenes. Total misdirection like they always do with the trailers.
mustbejust ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:47:58 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm trying soooo hard not to watch it!
Ralph-Hinkley ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:47:59 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Go ahead, it gives nothing away.
CoffeeCannon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:27:32 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So much misdirection and I love it.
whozurdaddy ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:28:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like R2 and 3P0 are taking backseat in this one. Again. This time to BB8 and a muppetbird :(
GetReady4Action ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:41:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly kind of okay with this. 3PO is easily the worst main character in the series. Not that he sucks, but if he wasnโt there I donโt think Iโd feel like something was missing. The only times I really really enjoyed 3POโs presence is when Han is being a dick to him. R2 is great due to him kind of being like manโs best friend to Luke, but also kind of feel like BB-8 has him beat for this new trilogy due to how expressive and full of life he is.
BenSolo12345 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:45:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
R2 is on the Falcon, with Chewie.
3PO, though... might take a backseat.
PSU19420 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:03:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
REN KILLS LEIA; REY HAS WET T SHIRT SCENE; REY MARRIES REN.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:31:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So glad JJ Abrams has nothing to do with this one. I have high hopes.
Pickle9775 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:48:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except he's coming back for IX so this will be shoehorned between them.
BadMrSlappy ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 06:45:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He'll be back to fuck up 9 though, god bless
Captain_Frylock ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:32:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Something seems off...not sure if it's the paint-by-numbers Dagobah or Hoth throwbacks, but this isn't piquing my interest like Rogue One did.
AnOnlineHandle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:09:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gotta agree, paint by the numbers is exactly how this looks. I'm hoping it's just a non-spoilery trailer.
Needbouttreefiddy ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:38:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What? This looks fucking badass
numonestun ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:21:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My concern is related to toy sales...we've had Ewoks, Jar Jar, Pod racing...and now screaming pokemon?
Cascadianranger ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:24:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's been with star wars since literally before the first movie.
deftPirate ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:40:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why would that concern you?
PardonMyBart ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:01:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I stopped watching when I saw Chewie was CGI.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:12:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's an actor in there, that's not CGI
PardonMyBart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:34:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The mouth and eyes looked to be not quite real - maybe they're not CGI but they everything looked too smooth to be a real costume at first glance.
greatjorb88 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:15:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not CGI
et5291 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:13:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He isn't cgi though, but the cgi isnso bad right? Just awful
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:08:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, the CGI looks so fucking awful for all the creatures.. like come on you don't have to CGI everything bring in some real costumes etc...
Drzhivago138 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:55:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not CGI.
JackPanic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:31:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Absol-fucking-lutely this whole trailer felt โoffโ it just didnโt feel Star Wars.
TheNekroJoey ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:16:13 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Theory: What if Rey is clone/reincarnation of Anakin Skywalker?
assuser ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 10:13:12 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's spelled reyncarnation.
Baphometronic ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:30:16 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That theory has been floating around for a while but Anakin died like 11 years before Rey was born
Ragingtampon1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:22:39 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To be a clone doesn't mean someone needs to be alive I'm sure the empire has Anakin's DNA stored for Vader maintenance....doubt she is but being dead doesn't rule that out
Baphometronic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:37:02 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True, i was thinking reincarnation just isnt really feasible
echonian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:45:40 on December 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At best she could be a test tube baby with his DNA mixed with someone else's DNA, since you can't get a clone of a different sex on the same set of DNA. Or maybe they took his sperm and froze it, who knows.
Though then she would just be Luke's half-sister, and that wouldn't be all that exciting or compelling.
mutually_awkward ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:00:49 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I prefer the theory that Rey is a clone of The Emperor. It connects the shady science facility he had running on Jakku.
mutually_awkward ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:58:04 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I prefer the theory that Rey is a clone of The Emperor. It connects the shady science facility he had running on Jakku.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:00:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
God dammit grats on the karma!
MediaLoaf ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:21:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I loved Force Awakens, I loved the first trailer for The Last Jedi, I love Star Wars... I despised this trailer. If Rey is stronger than Luke and he spends the movie making dopey faces as she does massive force attacks I'm going to be so disappointed. I know this is a trailer and 90% of it is misdirection (that last line between Rey and Kylo was def not between Rey and Kylo based on the lighting), but the feeling of Luke being some incapable trainer was too much...
baseball1kek ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:24:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's hard to let go of the borderline Force God Luke was in the old EU books, but it does feel like they're going to swing too far the other way.
It's already canon that Anakin was going to become basically a Force God in the Clone Wars series, so for Luke to seem this outclassed by raw power seems wrong.
MediaLoaf ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:29:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Believe me, I want to love it SO bad... but the picture of Luke's stupified face as she shakes the ground is painful...
MichaelM_Yaa ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:29:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
maybe her parents were sith?
blow_hard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:32:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I'm positive Rey's line about needing guidance is being spoken to Luke, that's the only scenario that would make sense.
Iokuas ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:26:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hm. That wasn't a very good trailer.
for_the_revolution ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:45:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How come?
Iokuas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:52:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It just didn't show anything interesting and ended on a lame ass tease. It was just a bunch of little clips of the cast doing some action movie shit without any cohesion. It's like someone just vomited all the movie trailer tropes.
for_the_revolution ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:04:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Would you rather they give away the whole plot of the movie?
I was satisfied. It gave us enough to chew on without giving anything away so far.
Also, it makes complete sense it would end on a tease. The whole point of a trailer is to get people to see the movie. They want to know what'll happen.
Iokuas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:32:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, I would rather they focus on something. The previous trailer worked because it had a theme, this one is just 'OMG LASERS, OMG REY PEW PEW PEW LIGHTSABER NEERRRHHH PEW PEW PEW KYLO REN IN SPACE SHIP PEW PEW PEW FINN'S GOT A CLUB PEW PEW PEW BRAGHARA!' it didn't feel like a Star Wars trailer.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:39:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just gonna say it, not a fan of whatever that fur ball is. I get what they are trying to do introducing it but imo I donโt think stuff like that belongs in Star Wars.
sciencedenton ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 03:43:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, we need more gritty alien species like the original films had, like the Ewoks!
ankerous ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:27:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It probably exists to sell toys like BB-8.
Bojangles657 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:30:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, there are 10s of thousands of systems in the known galaxy, not all of the creatures are gonna be cool and badass looking.
boomboxpinata ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:19:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
even if its a bait and switch and they turn out to be crazy, violent little dudes itll be too much like minions or rocket raccoon and just annoy me. we dont need fucking porgs.
Dont_Call_Me_John ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:06:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So, they're definitely siblings right?
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:27:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No.
ProdigalTrev ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:23:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably not, yo.
Link_start ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:17:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm gonna be honest. I liked the first trailer more than this one.
NihiloZero ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:39:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This one revealed too much. I'm now fairly certain about how it's all gonna play out.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:48:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Meh I'm not gonna spread my butt cheeks just yet. Not that exciting of a trailer. Maybe I'm just bitter TFA wasn't a very good or original movie. Perhaps that's good because my standards are pretty low. If Luke doesnt fire up a lightsaber I'm going to be bitter as fuck. They managed to make him look like a disheveled whacky professor in this; not a good sign
ayyitsjameslmao ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:02:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Marky as a disheveled professor? Kingsman?
Iโm with you on that, I really didnโt like TFA, so I hope this blows me away
ExcuseMeImHeadBoy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:08:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was more excited before I saw this trailer. Looks like Star Wars is headed for more of the same.
Source:Star Wars fan, not a troll
for_the_revolution ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:11:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Based off of what? What do you think's going to be the same?
ExcuseMeImHeadBoy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:29:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A Master training a Padawan. First Order/ Empire trying to take over the universe. Emo Kylo. I hope I am wrong. I want this movie to be great. The formula of previous Star Wars movies has worked so why deviate from it? But I wish for something new and mind blowing which we may not get.
Side note: Thanks for asking.
for_the_revolution ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:35:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I totally agree that I want it to be different, but I think this trailer doesn't give all the details as to what's going down. We don't know how much training Luke with give to Rey, or what the consequences will be. First Order taking over the universe is a cliche, but they kinda have to stick with it coming off episode VII. And I think Kylo won't be quite as emo as he was last time.
The trailer's doing a lot to throw people off right now. We'll just have to wait and see if Disney wants to make something original and exciting, or if they just want another cash cow. Let's hope it's the first.
By the way, I love your username!
ExcuseMeImHeadBoy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:00:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And I love your optimism!
Thanks!
SirZar ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:32:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
CGI was rough?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:48:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No
5-in-1Bleach ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:48:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did anyone else notice that the AT-ATs looked less like elephants (from the original series) and more like gorillas? Demonstrating their aggressive, bad-ass, donโt-fuck-with-me offense stances.
Nothingaddsup ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:13:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This was a very interesting change
Mikalton ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:50:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why is chewie cgi?
JRMiel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:54:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have the same question... I was a little bit chocked when I saw it. A little bit weird. By the way,I think that this trailer was "to much CGI". In comparaison with precedent movies, we can clearly see all the special effects. That's ugly
stupidtyonparade ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:56:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
seriously. what the fuck.
greatjorb88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:20:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's not
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:19:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was alright. The fact that JJ Abrams will do the next one tempers my expectations
Jerome_Bettis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:44:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol Wtf do you have against JJ Abrams?
salaciousbumm ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:24:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously. Perhaps his uninspired , unoriginal , ripoff make known as TFA. There's a start
Jerome_Bettis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:29:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How is it unoriginal?
salaciousbumm ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:39:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're joking right? You can't be seriously asking me how the TFA wasn't original.
Jerome_Bettis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:48:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trustfully I would like to hear your point of view on it
salaciousbumm ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 05:57:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah. I'll let you google it.
Jerome_Bettis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:29:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah I'll just let you be a miserable Star Wars fan ๐
salaciousbumm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:49:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
http://cdn-9chat-fun.9cache.com/media/photo/am9vwDOvo_480w_v1.jpg
optimusjprime ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:47:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Howโs it going?
scandalousmambo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:50:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He makes $150 million movies out of fan fiction.
mprey ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:27:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unpopular opinion but I hate the Porg thing. If Lucas had been the one to introduce it there would have been a shitstorm guaranteed.
loveandmonsters ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:46:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let the kids have their fun. If it's the "new" Ewoks/Jar-Jar (cute/funny sidekick creature with no major relevance to the story), so be it.
[deleted] ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 05:22:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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optimusjprime ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:45:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How about you let others enjoy?
salaciousbumm ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 05:47:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Go ahead, enjoy away.
Meatslinger ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:51:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just have to make one criticism: the AT-AT "v2" looks far too aggressive. I know this is the second Empire we're taking about - basically Space Nazis with even more Nazi this time - but the red, glowing, triangular view ports just look a little too hokey. There's "let's make this faction look a little like Nazi Germany", and then there's "let's make them look like Nazi Germany if they were into worshipping Satan and as drawn in the margin of an angsty young boy's notebook".
Put another way, in canon, the designs of the Empire have always been very utilitarian. Giant and imposing, but always functional. The AT-AT had a simple horizontal slit view port for both the pilots to look out of. It was never designed to look specifically "evil" because its intimidation factor - in adherence to the Tarkin Doctrine - was achieved through its sheer imposing size. The new ones, with "angry faces" as part of their design, come across as a bit juvenile, IMHO.
hulibuli ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 10:12:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know it's mostly because our overall technology has advanced, but I'm really baffled about the fact that Luke, Han, Leia and the rest crippling the Empire only resulted it to turn into a more powerful war machine with advanced tech and insane super weapons.
The First Order should be the underdog resulting to underdog tactics, but I guess there's two problems with that: Humans and therefore the audience generally siding with the underdog and that those underdog tactics would basically make The First Order terrorists, Space ISIS instead of Space Nazis.
Making the good guys semi-rebels hiding again just makes it feel like the triumph in the original trilogy was for nothing.
AnOnlineHandle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:49:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So so agree. Been saying this ever since the super black and scary ships of TFA were first shown.
Don't tell the audience that they're evil by putting horns on all of their heads and red visors for their eyes. The originals had them as utilitarian mass produced grays, which could belong to either side, and then showed us how they're evil with actual plot where they're authoritarian and fascists, etc.
It's the old show, don't tell argument in writing, and the new Star Wars design is a huge weak point that actually makes me a bit sad for the wasted potential.
smashing3000 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:23:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Loved how Chewie led straight to the Porg, like they're saying we've always done cute.
Yasurata ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 12:17:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Calling it now. Rey goes dark side, Kylo goes light side.
Fragzilla360 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 12:28:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Chewbacca goes to plaid.
kutwijf ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 12:41:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not before visiting the Mr. Coffee.
cpillarie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:48:45 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ray kills Leia, Kylo feels conflicted, targets ship Ray is on after kiling Leia
TomassTheTank ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:54:11 on October 21, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is Luke in a bad mood cause he lost his "Fapping" hand?
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 05:02:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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salaciousbumm ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:09:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because now SW isn't a long time ago in a galaxy far away. It's people acting and talking like they're from earth.
greatjorb88 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:45:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll see you in hell!
salaciousbumm ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:46:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds good
greatjorb88 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:50:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You get it though, right?
salaciousbumm ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:54:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, you're going to kill me and we will be in hell together
greatjorb88 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:57:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, it's a line from a movie
salaciousbumm ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:13:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like that lines been in a lot of movies tho
greatjorb88 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:14:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's your point?
salaciousbumm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:19:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What is your point?
greatjorb88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:24:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well this is what I was replying to, put 2 and 2 together...
salaciousbumm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:28:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can we just be friends now? We can get some snacks, rent a video game, talk about our crushes?
Heitokun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:29:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stop trying to be a smart ass, smart ass.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 05:13:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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TheFinalMetroid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:52:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It hurts to read it like that
xStrobeJordan ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:01:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snoke skin reveal!!
fuckitidunno ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:01:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well...Rian was right about that spoiler...
KickingLettuce ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:06:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snoke is not a hologram confirmed.
NihiloZero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:37:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Still a puppet though. He's working for Luke.
Jack-fa18 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:06:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Confirmed Snoke isn't 4 stories tall!
The_Gielotine ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:10:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They are doing Star Wars so right. Hype train has officially reached max capacity.
Dr-Haus ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:13:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
GF: You can't have a new favorite character just based off of one trailer.
Me: https://im.ezgif.com/tmp/ezgif-1-254acd232e.gif
MsPenguinette ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:07:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
404 file not found is my favorite character as well.
Dr-Haus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:10:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The link stopped working. I have failed you.
MsPenguinette ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:16:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
<force choke like Veers>
Btw, have you heard the tragedy of Darth Plagius the Wise?
Empyrius ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:17:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"I wasn't afraid of it then. I am now" - I think he's talking about Vader, not any new character. Luke tells Yoda multiple times he's not afraid.
deftPirate ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:18:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's definitely talking about Kylo.
wings31 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:22:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Definetly
mognats ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:37:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or Palpatine
TrueshotBarrage ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:20:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not to brag or anything (and certainly when we aren't really sure of anything just quite yet) but I posted this thread a while back, and--it just might be happening!!!!! SUPER EXCITED FOR THE MOVIE
https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/5twq3p/why_the_last_jedi_is_not_luke_skywalker_but_is/?ref=share&ref_source=link
moongaming ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:28:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it's the last jediS (plural) confirmed in title translation in some language
elbuzzard ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:26:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What kind of conditioner is Chewbacca using? That is done seriously smooth and shiny hair.
masoe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:30:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pantene Palpatine.
Robinisthemother ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:29:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He kinda looked fake cgi to me
Deathisrebirth ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:26:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And in that second all tickets sold out.
Nursultan_Tuliagby ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:26:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finally get to see Gwendoline Christie perform some of her GoT moves in Star Wars, something I've been waiting for since I saw her name on the cast list!
Danc777 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:29:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I killed so many younglings watching this.
belthat ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:36:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man I'm leaning more and more towards Rey being Palpatine's descendent. That line about facing that kind of raw power before...
Batmanhush ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:44:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's fairly clear he is talking about Kylo, not palpy.
not_a-replicant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:51:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Based on u/mikewhoneedsabike deleted post.
Here's my predictions on who/what these characters are talking about:
Talking to Rey about her past.
Talking to Luke during training.
Talking about Rey to Rey, but pulling a bit of an Old Ben certain point of view deal...
Talking to Rey, trying to convince her to switch sides.
Talking about whatever DJ gives the Resistance.
Generic battle cry.
Talking to Snoke during end confrontation.
Talking to Kylo during his training.
Rey talking to Leia, Chewbacca, Finn, or Poe - lamenting her place in life.
TheWindWaker01 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:42:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think Luke's "this is not going to go the way you think" line is to Rey - looks like he's in the same cave they showed Rey getting out of the water in.
This would mean Rey overpowers Luke, which I really hope doesn't happen because I don't see how that's possible.
NihiloZero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:31:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And then Luke uses force lightning on him? If Luke confronts Snoke... that will absolutely happen.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:21:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm
What if Kylo is going to kill Leia but someone else does it? What if FINN kills Leia and Kylo finds Rey and tells him what happened?
OH FUCK DUDE!!!
WHAT IF KYLO JOINS THE LIGHT SIDE?!
WHAT THE FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK.
Zeta42 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:25:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
> submitted 2 hours ago
> already over 6k replies
Jesus F. Christ.
themickeym ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:03:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck the Justice League Trailer
Nemo_Barbarossa ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:06:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, now, I normally don't like title translations but this one may give some hints.
In German the title is not "The [one] last Jedi" but it's plural, basically "The last Jedis" if you will.
And I don't think this is just a translation error.
Epigonias ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:23:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Likewise, "Return of the Jedi" is "Return of the Jedi knights" in German. Which is why I, for example, automatically presumed the English title to refer to more than one Jedi.
CarterG4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:27:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was under the assumption that it meant Rey would be the last singular Jedi, but now I'm not so sure.
Mackaf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:56:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its a odd translation. Jedi is singular and plural like moose. Therefore its ambiguity lends thought to rey not being the only Jedi but one of the last few
ForgottenKnightt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:01:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Spanish title also references to more than one Jedi.
Calvinball88 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 08:38:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm just afraid they're gonna wash away Luke to leave room for the new guys and start a new franchise...
KidTheCurry ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:32:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No offenss, but even George Lucas had this plan for his sequel trilogy. That is the sort of the point for these new movies - to usher in a new era of heroes while the torch is slowly passed.
danerer ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:23:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh SHIT what a birthday present. I haven't been excited for a birthday in a while.
nubbie ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:51:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh.
My.
Fucking.
God.
Matthias20x ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:33:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone else nervous that this could mirror Empire Strikes back very closely? Rey trains with Luke, then sees a vision of Finn being in trouble so she goes and has to face Snoke?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:38:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think she'll leave Luke. I could see her convincing Luke that they need to leave Ach-to rather than her giving up on her training.
DanFromSales2 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:01:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just want to say if you think the movie looks terrible then don't fucking watch it. Nobody is going to Clockwork Orange your eyes open and force you to. Try not to ruin it for the rest of us that love Star Wars and want to enjoy these movies.
RomuRaf ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:13:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you're letting other people's comments / opinions ruin it for you, I'd say it's probably something you should try and change in yourself rather than trying to change a huge load of random people instead. But just my perspective of course, as you shared yours.
DanFromSales2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:56:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You raise a good point. I definitely don't care about these people's comments when I close Reddit. I just don't understand why they think this movie is so terrible before even watching it.
RomuRaf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:16:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I'd have to agree. I have expectations based on trailers, but I always take it with a grain of salt and reserve judgement until I've seen it. At least I try to.
In terms of the reddit thing, I removed the quick link from my start page because it was taking way too much of my time (like today haha), and I got worked up a bit by things that have no other meaning or value to the rest of my life. Me problems eh. But yeah, still here commenting on your comment commenting on other people's comments :P so... yeah.
HAWG ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:45:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I dont care if people think the movie is not great after it comes out. But the people declaring it a disappointment after seeing a 2 minute trailer are ridiculous.
BigDuse ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:34:50 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is the movie really that enjoyable if random negative comments on here can ruin it for you?
ChicagoFaucet ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:19:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What I get from this trailer:
โข You have Rey, who is a powerful but untrained force-user.
โข You have Kylo, who is also a powerful but untamed force-user.
โข I think Rey gets Jedi training from Luke on that island, and Kylo gets some training from Snoke.
โข Then, since Jedis are all about balance in the force and the universe, the two of them probably decide that this whole war that has been going on between the Rebels and the Empire โ for literally generations โ has gone on long enough, and they decide to team up and forcibly end the war themselves โ to bring order and balance to the galaxy.
โข Star Wars is known for its repeating themes โ like family lineages, and limbs being cut off by lightsabers. So, the theme of a pair of force-users teaming up to bring โorderโ to the galaxy is also a repeating theme.
โข Poor Finn. Looks like he goes back into the ranks of the Empire.
stupidtyonparade ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:24:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
finn? no he doesn't. it's been well publicized that he does an undercover mission.
MicroWarp ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 10:46:09 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ben feels/wants to be like his grandfather Vader right? And he is.
Vader was good, turned from the light side, was redeemed.
Ben will do EXACTLY the same thing.
So he IS the same as his grandfather. But you know, still with his legs.
Yassssss.
SchinzonOfRemus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:57:33 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But doesn't he destroy his masks and try to put the past behind? I interpreted this as him deciding to stop trying to be like Vader and becoming an own kind of sith or turning away from the dark side altogether, without the need to choose between his life and that of a close relative he cares too much about.
PositiveChi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:52:26 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm guessing the smashing comes right after the scene where Kylo was kneeling in that red throne room. If I had to guess Snoke's gonna berate the shit out of him for being a wannabe bitch that got slapped by Rey (who he already had kind of a "wtf is wrong with you kylo" reaction to) and that'll make him feel like a weak fanboi.
SchinzonOfRemus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:53:10 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So Snoke is going to be like ~50% of the fans after TFA were? Mad, that despite all of the physical wounds and psychological trauma, he could not kill or capture someone who is incredibly powerful with the force? That'd be so meta lol.
PositiveChi ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:03:30 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, I'm guessing it'll boil down to something like, "I thought you were supposed to be some raw af badass, but instead this scavenger reads YOUR mind and cuts your face? She might be replacing you, Linkin Park, go find her and try not to lose this time"
TheDreadPirateHam ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 11:04:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"I've got a bad feeling about this..."
[deleted] ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 05:04:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This looks like complete shit that everyone is going to gobble up like it's frosting.
DanFromSales2 ยท 150 points ยท Posted at 16:53:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow. Do you have a problem with people enjoying things that you don't like? You do know that "good" and "bad" are subjective right?
gregthestrange ยท 68 points ยท Posted at 21:00:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you have a problem with people not enjoying things that you like?
ailish ยท 83 points ยท Posted at 21:34:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, and I also don't go to the subreddits of the movies I don't like to complain about people who like those movies.
SilentDager ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 22:06:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe he liked every film up until this trailer? You don't know this person.
Obscu ยท 55 points ยท Posted at 22:38:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's still being an un-called-for dick. There isnt any context that would mitigate that.
[deleted] ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 23:09:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Having an opinion isn't being a dick.
Obscu ยท 88 points ยท Posted at 23:21:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nor does it preclude one from being a dick. Opinions dont get a free pass. It's fine if you think a movie is bad, for example, or outright the worst movie you've ever seen. If, however, you express that opinion as stating that the movie is utter shite that people are mindlessly lapping up, then you are being a dick because you've gone from criticising the movie to calling anybody who likes the movie a shiteater just because you didnt like it.
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Obscu ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 04:29:46 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for your insight. Truly, this moment shall go down in the annals of history as the one where you enriched all of our lives.
Trauermarsch ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:53:44 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Re-read the sidebar, please.
Irishbread ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:27:33 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's all about how you say it, but that requires a certain level of social skills and awareness and we're not in the best of places for that.
If he had worded it like "I've been a fan of the series for a while but this isn't doing it for me because x y z" that's a valid opinion. Instead he declared it as shit in a way that his view is fact and that's the problem.
For the record I think Star Wars stuff is neat and I'll watch it but I'm not really invested in it, I just wanted to make a point in regards to that post.
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Obscu ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 03:10:44 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For... explaining how language works?
Trauermarsch ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:54:40 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Check the sidebar for subreddit rules and guidelines.
DanFromSales2 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:59:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really don't. I try not to feel superior to other people's views. Especially when it comes to entertainment. I am not perfect, however, so sometimes I do look down on others opinions. I try to make that a rarity.
avalanches ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:30:12 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A film can be objectively bad and/or good, fyi.
DanFromSales2 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:14:24 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How do you figure?
DankOfTheEndless ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 09:22:10 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Easy, they don't like it!
DahLegend27 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:43:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs pointless to go here and post how it looks like with no reasoning.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:36:28 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
P R O J E C T I N G
I literally just said "This looks like complete shit that everyone is going to gobble up like it's frosting."
What part of that implies that I have a problem with people liking it? Quit assuming the intension* of my words, you epsilon, and keep ya dang mouf shut.
*Intension =/= intention.
DanFromSales2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:04:18 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Damn my bad.
b3rn13mac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:48:01 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow. Do you have a problem with people enjoying things that you don't like? You do know that "good" and "bad" are subjective right?
snoozeflu ยท -23 points ยท Posted at 19:38:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
While what you say is correct, if everyone continues to accept the dogshit, then there is very little reason for the filmmakers to improve. That's where the problem lies.
I agree with the person you replied to. In that trailer I wanted to see Luke Skywalker wreck someone with his lightsaber, not Rey hitting rocks.
[deleted] ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 20:01:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I looked at for a map
SlamSlayer1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:19:50 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just because it's dogshit to you doesn't mean everyone else is wrong for enjoying it (and by extension encouraging more of what they enjoy). Clearly the vast overwhelming majority of people like/love these films. Theyre not gonna cater to the insignificant amount that don't.
[deleted] ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 00:52:25 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow. Do you have a problem with people hating things that you like? You do know that "bad" and "good" are subjective right?
DanFromSales2 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 01:32:48 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Super original comment bud. I have no problem with other people's preferences. I thought the guy who's comment I replied to did. Which is why I asked. Any other questions?
DopeMeme_Deficiency ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 21:36:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Frosting is complete shit that everyone gobbles up like Star Wars. What's your point?
swordbeam ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:19:47 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Underrated comment right here
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:37:50 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You made my point. Tyvm.
DopeMeme_Deficiency ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:52:13 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You must be fun at parties
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:36:02 on October 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your mom's box
DopeMeme_Deficiency ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:50:15 on October 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At this point, this comment refers to the place that holds her ashes... Not terribly exciting
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:36:08 on October 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your mom's box
SlamSlayer1 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:14:16 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What about it looks like shit?
HumbrolUser ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:01:19 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The overly silly looking walkers and that X-Wing with an attached "afterburner" on it behind the hyperdrive unit.
The tall eared animal looks like something they plagiarised from the movie 'Riddick'.
I didn't watch all of the trailer, I just looked for ONE stupid thing, to make me NEVER see any of the new Star Wars movies. All of the have been disappointing, becuase the people that make these movies don't seem to care about sci-fi or fantasy (oddly enough), they seem to care about an superficial action adventure and making money. Not the type of movie I want to watch given the standard set with the original SW trilogy.
SlamSlayer1 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:48:19 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah so you fit into Original purist elitist category of old man fan gotcha lol.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:37:29 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What about it looks good? It just looks like a mash cut of a bunch of random scenes with a been-there-heard-that voiceover. It's somewhere between a teaser and a trailer, but purposely refuses to commit to either.
max_caulfield_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:14:51 on January 4, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My God, you were so right. We didn't listen...
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 13:27:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I completely agree. I watched the trailer this morning and was very disappointed. Looks like straight garbage.
CapytannHook ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 18:24:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well what do you want to see going on in this next film?
Urethra ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 00:45:31 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They retconned Ep 7 and started making the Thrawn trilogy instead? A man can dream...
NebbyMan ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 02:24:05 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, lucky for you, Thrawn's story is being told in Rebels starting from season 3. Season 4 will be starting soon, and that'll probably be the end of his story.
the_innerneh ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:08:57 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What about non-straight garbage?
postdochell ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:56:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Figured I'd have to sort by controversial to find the sensible comments.
SlamSlayer1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:17:52 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In what way?
Shoryuhadoken ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 11:02:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it's reddit. they'll worship it even if it's shit.
SquanchMcSquanchFace ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 22:47:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Complaining about all of reddit while you arbitrarily decide what appeals to different people and what they should like. Are you incapable of accepting that people have different tastes and like different things from different movies? You guys need to calm the fuck down.
Edit: That was a quick delete of your response there buddy.
salaciousbumm ยท -24 points ยท Posted at 05:07:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bingo. Just like TFA. There is a new breed of movie goer that is all about the "popcorn movie" and this will be just that. Transformers, Fast and furious, the avengers etc and now Star Wars has lost its creator/innovation and become just another popcorn cash grab and the people will eat it up
[deleted] ยท 84 points ยท Posted at 05:54:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Um, have you seen A New Hope?
salaciousbumm ยท -27 points ยท Posted at 05:57:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, and it was by no means an unoriginal cash grab. It is widely considered the first blockbuster (and Jaws). The original can't be the copy.
Mattsoup ยท 67 points ยท Posted at 18:37:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A New Hope was basically a copy of Kurosowa films but instead of samurai it was space wizards with laser swords.
salaciousbumm ยท -19 points ยท Posted at 18:43:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
oh, is that all it was?
Which Kurosowa film was it?
[deleted] ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 18:46:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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thomascale96 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:45:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You couldnt market Star wars as an R rated film I guess
[deleted] ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 22:56:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hidden Fortress characters acting out all the plot to Hero's Journey, written in the form of a Flash Gordon fan fiction.
Obviously the criteria for a bad movie is not so simple, otherwise New Hope would have been garbage. The reason your argument is struggling is because you're basing it on the premise that it is that simple
Stupidog ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 22:20:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Hidden Fortress
woahmanitsme ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:34:57 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the hidden fortress, homie
Nyushi ยท 125 points ยท Posted at 08:30:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh piss off. It was a soap opera in space.
Honestly, I don't get why some of you are so elitist. Star Wars has always been a fun popcorn film and always will be.
Galle_ ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:32:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is true.
On the other hand, A New Hope was absolutely a popcorn movie.
SlamSlayer1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:17:00 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not an unoriginal cash grab? A New Hope is the hidden fortress in space with a dash of flash gordon mixed in because he was denied the rights to make a flash gordon film. And then he went and basically INVENTED merchandising/cash grabbing.
fragileegos2017 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:37:52 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't be so ignorant.
It was not an unoriginal cash grab because there was no fan base in place to grab the cash from (unlike now). Also, Hollywood blockbusters were not the same in the 1970s as they are now. Think harder. There was Jaws and then star wars. There were no franchises in place, the production line blockbuster hadn't been invented. Lucas INNOVATED merchandising. Stop acting like he was some money hungry hack who released some rip off of a kurosawa film. He stated many times his influences for his movies. You act like he was fucking michael bay and hasbro.
Also, TFA taking the plot from a new hope is completely different. IT ripped off it's own franchise and called it a sequel, when really it's a rehash/soft reboot. At least lucas created his own nouns and technologies, planets, ships, aliens, location, etc. Or did he steal that too? TFA simply took and modified all of his ideas. There is no way any sane person would watch "The lost fortress" and then watch "star wars" and say " oh man what a rip off." On the other hand it's very easy to watch "Star Wars' and then watch TFA and say "what a rip off."
You're disrespect for Lucas is sickening and you should be slapped.
You fanboys are unbearable and devoid of critical and logical thinking.
LionlyLion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:34:16 on October 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"You're disrespect for Lucas.." lmfao
[deleted] ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 05:48:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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salaciousbumm ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:20:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The prequel hate is a Reddit circle jerk.
Baphometronic ยท 57 points ยท Posted at 13:30:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You clearly werent alive for the release of phantom menace
CapytannHook ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 18:31:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think I might speak for a lot of people who were born in the early 90s when I say that The Phantom Menace was pretty fucking awesome to experience as a kid, ya know when you aren't actively seeking flaws with a movie and it's the first actual installment of the franchise youve been exposed to.
retnuh730 ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 18:46:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup. I didn't know people disliked Episode 1 until I read about it a few years later. Darth Maul was badass, Podracing was awesome, Dual lightsabers were insane, the Battle for Naboo was wild. People hated the prequels for not being the original trilogy, then the same people hate the sequels for being too much like the original trilogy.
Arkadii ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 11:27:48 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Born in 92, Phantom Menace was great as a kid, but you don't have to "seek" flaws in those movies to find them as an adult. They're fucking terrible. I'm not saying there's not plenty of good things about them and there isn't some great imagination and world building behind it, but all of the basic functionality of a movie (acting, cinematography, writing) is pretty dreadful even for someone who loved them as a kid.
Baphometronic ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:44:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was the same way but tye publicโ was not
waywardwoodwork ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:31:32 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sadly, the vast majority of things we like as children just don't stand the test of time.
Over the years I've rewatched a bunch of films/tv shows that I liked as a child and maintained a fondness for over the years, and most were straight trash, many were meh, very few still had something of qualitative value to them. Kids will like anything that hits certain simple marks. If it happens to be regarded as "good" that's just a happy coincidence.
fwiw the prequel trilogy had some great stuff going on, it has phenomenal music, some fantastic art direction and character/costume design, and Ewen McGregor's dedicated performance as a young Alec Guinness as a jedi is terrific. The problems with the trilogy are vast and storied. I won't retread willingly.
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CapytannHook ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:32:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Revenge was pretty good!
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Yunners ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:10:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Knock it off you two.
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Yunners ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:10:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Knock it off you two.
DanFromSales2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:00:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My apologies, Knight Yunners.
The_Senate27 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 12:03:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs pretty widespread. Iโd say the circlejerk applies more to the sequels.
[deleted] ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 08:49:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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salaciousbumm ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 14:40:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
anyone who starts their message with "LOL" is clearly 12
manfly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:23:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually it's an everyone circle jerk including actual Reddit circle jerk comic Patton Oswalt who does a very circle jerky standup bit about the prequels
kutwijf ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 11:45:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The prequels weren't that bad. Disney obviously misunderstood what people disliked about those films. It wasn't their originality or even the political drama. It was the dialogue and the way the story was told.
[deleted] ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 11:52:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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kutwijf ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 12:09:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And? I'll bet the majority of Star Wars fans like the prequels despite their faults. If you look at the ratings on RT or Metacritic, they really aren't rated that low. Over time, I think more and more people have come to enjoy them for what they are.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 13:01:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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kutwijf ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:04:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know there are SW fans outside of that sub, right? How abour SW fans that don't even use reddit?
vonpoppm ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:14:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shh don't break the circle. I mean who cares if it's only a vocal minority who didn't like them. Forgetting that pre Phantom lightsaber fights were like swinging big heavy swords with slow movements.
[deleted] ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 13:29:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I actually enjoyed the prequels and I think that this one looks like garbage.
LukeKane ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:17:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You got a reason why it looks garbage?
Edin8999 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:44:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm sorry but are you really comparing Star Wars to the shit show that Transformers and fast&furious have become?
Have you seen the latest transformer movie? The last Jedi could be a 3 hour long movie about Luke taking a dump and it would be more enjoyable then the last Transformers movie.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 05:10:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol
Savber ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:41:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Congrats. That was the most moronic thing I have read today.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 05:08:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So?
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salaciousbumm ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:43:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For people to have standards. I love Star Wars. And Star Wars was once an original, creative series (even with its misses) and now it's production line , Hollywood blockbuster fodder that gets eaten up no matter what they put out. It's disappointing to say the least.
Scoopie ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 11:28:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would hardly say Star Wars is Original.
salaciousbumm ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:44:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
compared to TFA, SW is as original as it comes.
Also, you're being purposely acute. Sure, Lucas has influences for SW, like any other film maker, but don't act as if there was a movie that Lucas just straight up copied when he made SW
Mattsoup ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:39:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He made a Kurosowa film from a French sci fi comic. It wasn't that original, but that doesn't mean I can't enjoy it.
salaciousbumm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:45:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you're comparing apples and hamburgers. Using your influences to create your own art isn't the same as blatantly copying someone else's work, especially in the same franchise.
Mattsoup ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:47:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Look. Lucas remade The Hidden Fortress in the world of Valerian. I don't care if it's a little different, you can't say he didn't rip off an older work. You can even see how the cinematography was copied.
salaciousbumm ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you are wrong. Influence and copying are not the same. ESpecially in technique.
"Two bedraggled peasants, Tahei and Matashichi through conversation, reveal that they had intended to fight alongside the Yamana clan, but turned up too late, were taken for soldiers of the defeated Akizuki clan, and forced to bury the dead. After quarreling and splitting up, the two are both again captured separately then forced to dig for gold in the Akizuki castle with other prisoners.
After a prisoner uprising, Tahei and Matashichi escape. Near a river they find gold marked with the crescent of the Akizuki clan. They thereafter travel with the General of the defeated Akizuki clan, Makabe Rokurลta, while escorting Princess Yuki Akizuki and what remains of her family's gold to a secret territory. In order to keep her identity secret, Yuki poses as a mute.
During the mission, the peasants impede it and sometimes try to seize the gold. They are later joined by a farmerโs daughter, whom they acquire from a slave-trader. Eventually, they are captured and held by Rokurลta's rival, who later unexpectedly sides with the Princess and Rokurลta.
After another escape with the gold, the princess and Rokurลta, and the peasants go separate ways. The peasants stumble upon the gold, but are then arrested by Akizuki clansmen. The clansmen take the peasants to see the general, whereupon Rokurลta explains Yuki's true identity, and states that all of the gold has been used to restore her family's domain. The peasants are then dispatched, taking a single ryล. Finally, Tahei gives this to Matashichi to protect; but Matashichi allows Tahei to keep it."
How can you honestly read that plot and say Star Wars is a rip off of that. He even admits it was an influence.
But you are still missing the complete point. Lucas to Kurosawa is not the same as TFA to A New Hope.
but believe what you will.
Scoopie ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:56:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldnt say as much as he copied a movie right out. there are tons of similaries to other works. He took a bunch stuff from other works and mashed them together. Even the plot line is a basic Hero's journey story. Not much of an original story or concept. Yea i love star wars just as much as the next guy but you cant say with a straight face his work was original and completly new. I mean the original concept was suppose to be a Flash Gordon movie. He just couldn't secure the rights to it.
salaciousbumm ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:08:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it was never my point to say Lucas's movie was 100% original. My point was he took many influences and made SW - something born of his influences and yet also with his own original ideas. That is how most Art is made.
My point is that TFA is no way the same situation.
Supersighs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:37:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So the originals can have influences/similarities to previous things but TFA can't?
salaciousbumm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:13:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
that's where you mind goes? That's where you train of thought leads you to?
I can no longer communicate with you. The point has gone completely over your head.
Scoopie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:23:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TFA is part of the star wars universe. Of course its not original. TFA is just as Original as ANH. TFA and ANH both rely on the hero's journey trope so of course it seems similar. Yes it seems like a remake of ANH but its a new set of character with new set of ideas or influences. It works off of the original, I mean TPM is the same way. They all follow a pattern. One is not superior to the other, one shouldn't be held to a superior movie its all pretty basic nothing special about star wars, not really. It just a fun story with fun characters and fun visuals. Who doesn't like a Hero's journey in space?
salaciousbumm ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:37:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ill just leave this here. You can keep minimizing and justifying TFA's blatant lack of originality and blatant plot steal all you want. But it's undeniable. And TPM is not the same. No need to reply, we are never going to see eye to eye on this. Have a nice day
http://cdn-9chat-fun.9cache.com/media/photo/am9vwDOvo_480w_v1.jpg
Scoopie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:50:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm gonna reply anyways. This write up is garbage, and does not tell the story of TFA, so many inaccuracies. Go to bed you've embarrassed yourself enough for one day.
Ycrjbdek ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 10:09:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did you see episode 1? And 2 and 3? That's probably a 50% miss rate for movies before TFA
Borchers34 ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 05:41:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Genuine criticism over this trailer on how it's shaping up to be TFA all over again maybe?
Trauermarsch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:56:54 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Please check the rules and guidelines on the subreddit's sidebar.
23423423423451 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:02:14 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude just chill and go watch Blade Runner 2049 if you want to stick it to the man and fight back against "popcorn movies."
kutwijf ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 10:40:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're not entirely wrong. Sorry you're getting so many downvotes.
TrollinTrolls ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:26:30 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A) I'm shocked you actually think this is somehow "new". Did you just learn about movies a week ago or something?
B) So fucking what? "People like certain kinds of movies". Great. What's your point? You'll "eat up" the shit you like, too. That's kinda the way it works.
[deleted] ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 05:20:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Careful... You're going to get downvoted into oblivion. TFA had so many cringey scenes and poor development this will follow suit. Mark Hamill will probably be sweet, the rest of the characters will just whiny annoying with no real incentives. To top it off you have the horrible looking CGI that stick out in all the wrong ways.
LaserQuest ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 17:30:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're complaining about whiny characters... have you not watched Star Wars before??
SquanchMcSquanchFace ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 22:50:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously, some of these people clearly havenโt watched their beloved movies in a long time. Iโve always loved SW but some of the acting/dialogue/characters even in the originals were campy to say the least.
Dinosauringg ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:05:57 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The movies have always only been okay to me. Itโs the universe and history and lore that Iโm intrigued by
SquanchMcSquanchFace ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:59:41 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This nails it for me. So does this.
Bobinsky ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 12:03:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Could you elaborate on the cgi? Looked mostly good to me
tedbrogan12 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:45:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TFA was cringey in your defense. I showed it to a buddy of mine he said verbatim, "damn dude are they all this corny?"
Too many tongue in cheek moments for me.
Still love it and will see this one though.
MrQuickDraw ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:43:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I swear on Palatine's nut sack if this is just an ESB rehash in the same way TFA was a rehash of ANH I am done with star wars
ArcturusSevert ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:13:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't mommy teach you not to lie? We all know you're going to see all of them anyways.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:45:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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MrQuickDraw ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:49:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So was the trailer for TFA. I thought it was going to be something completely new but it was so much like ANH. For this movie we know Rey finds the last Jedi for training, Luke found the last in ESB for training, AT-ATs attacked in ESB, New AT-ATs attack but this time is a desert planet not snowy. From what I've seen I feel like it's going to be a rehash of ESB. I could be wrong and I probably am but I'm not getting my hopes up so if it sucks I won't be mad, and if it's good I'll be blown out of the water.
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 02:29:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anybody else find Hammillโs acting unconvincing in this?
snoosnoosewsew ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 03:34:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah Iโm a bit worried. I blame the dialogue more than the acting, but still..
Pepperpwni ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:21:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's dialogue out of context in a quick trailer; everyone needs to relax.
SlamSlayer1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:34:40 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What was wrong with it? Gave me chills. I loved how foreboding it was
snoosnoosewsew ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:35:20 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well I donโt want to rush to any conclusions, since itโs just a trailer, and of course theyโre going to choose the most dramatic lines for maximum impact. I just hope we get some of the old Luke personality we know and love. Or something like exiled Obi-Wan/Yoda - more sad than mad. Rarely yelling. Never exactly furious. Iโm fine if Luke has some outbursts, I just hope he wonโt be turned up to 11 like this for the whole film.
8-bit-eyes ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:51:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
His acting always came off as kinda cheesy, and I think thatโs part of the charm of star wars. Think about any of his moments in the original trilogy.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:17:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah thatโs true. But it worked then when he was this doe-eyed rube from some desert planet. Now heโs supposed to be an old, wise Jedi and, well, Iโm not sure he can pull it off.
gotmaps ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 02:30:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean in the 15 seconds of new Luke footage in the last 35 years?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:39:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes
MichaelM_Yaa ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:27:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
he had 1 line and it was delivered great!
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:18:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He did have one line. I donโt share the opinion it was delivered great.
SlamSlayer1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:34:05 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
His delivery was my favorite part of the trailer. It was perfect!
OleCrankyGamer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:52:55 on October 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, Mark Hamill
pdmasta ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:38:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
looks terrible, fuck, can't believe it, not excited at all.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 03:42:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did you watch the same trailer as everyone else?
Fragzilla360 ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 03:50:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Heโs got a different opinion
pdmasta ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 03:49:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ya :(
nopeitsnotme ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 02:01:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bah! No Han Solo, Iโm out!
tlhrek2011 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 02:16:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope this is sarcastic.
Because he died in the last film.
nopeitsnotme ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:22:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ZOMG! SPOILERS!!!
/s
Yeah, I know. Someone I was with yelled out a similar think about Han Solo during a preview of Episode One.
Kaden4552 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:01:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's sad that leia has to die
juice06870 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:04:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure she's not the only one. They probably have to get rid of most of the original characters between now and the end of Ep 9.
Kaden4552 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:04:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't remind me
juice06870 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:06:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm cool with most of it, but they can't take Chewbacca from us. That will be a rough pill to swallow.
Kaden4552 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:09:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
*grrrwaaaaggggh's sadly
wings31 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:23:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think its pretty obvious he doesnt pull the trigger. Im betting Leia doesnt die onscreen.
Drzhivago138 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:10:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lucasfilm/Rian Johnson said Carrie's death took them completely by surprise and that they had planned for Ep. IX to be "Carrie's movie" in the same way TFA was "Harrison's movie" and TLJ "Mark's movie." However they end up killing Leia off, it wasn't spoiled by this trailer.
Sriracha_Breath ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:25:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm very excited for the movie but I just have to get this off my chest...
The editing in this trailer wasn't great, it is no where near as polished as you'd come to expect from this type of big production. I also don't think the visuals looked that great either, the lighting was rather harsh for most of it, not enough contrast etc.
Either way, I'll be seeing the movie in a few months and I can't wait.
HAWG ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:40:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Im just here to bitch about a movie I have never seen. Empire strikes back 2.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:11:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
eh, its no more irrational as a person cheering a movie they haven't seen yet.
Funny how those people don't get downvoted.
HAWG ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:14:20 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Excitement for something coming is different to me than declaring something you havenโt even seen a disappointment.
KidTheCurry ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:59:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have officially logged your bitch. Thank you for joining us.
CulDeSax ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:46:20 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Crazy theory: What if Snoke is Kylo Ren in the future?
FSFlyingSnail ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:00:23 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's an interesting theory but there is no way Star Wars is going to introduce time travel.
AnOnlineHandle ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:10:41 on October 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They do have future sight at least, so um I guess information can travel back through time through the force, and somebody might be communicating backwards if they have a conduit? IDK. Kind of like the prophecy about Anakin.
FSFlyingSnail ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:21:52 on October 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because of future sight, the characters in Star Wars create that future. There is only one canon Star Wars timeline and it is linear. Introducing a non-linear timeline complicates things way too much.
NoSignal- ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:46:25 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You haven't seen Doctor Who, have you?
CulDeSax ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:47:15 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have not. How does this relate to Doctor Who?
NoSignal- ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:56:36 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can't just talk to your future/past self, even if time travel exists =p That would cause a massive time paradox.
CulDeSax ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:04:50 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's true. I have seen Back to the Future.
InvincibleAgent ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:24:02 on October 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The 50th anniversary special suggests otherwise.
echonian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:48:07 on December 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Star Wars is insane enough as it is without also adding in time travel for no good reason. Every movie I've ever seen which involves time travel has been garbage (though books tend to do a better job), because they are filled with paradoxes and inconsistencies that make it impossible to take their story seriously.
Which could be avoided, I suppose, but unless time travel is the central theme to a story - it is probably best left alone. I can't see any reason why they would need to introduce time travel here.
wildtangent1 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 08:39:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Real talk; while that was overall completely amazing, something resembling a wet turd was splattered center-screen for a half second.
what the fuck was that thing in the co-pilots chair? Is that the new Jar-Jar binks? It felt so out of place in this, and I can only imagine loathing it.
aviation1300 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 10:47:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That thing is the creature called "obligatory cute thing to sell toys"
wildtangent1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:31:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Basically. Jesus it's total crap.
GoTomArrow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:24:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yay, what a ridiculous piece of shit.
Wanna bet that thing saves all their lives once?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:49:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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GoTomArrow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:54:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if that thing is the Last Jedi?
KidTheCurry ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:31:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That creature was a Porg. It is the new Ewok; meant to be the cute comic relief meant to increase merchandise sales in much the same way that people bought Minions. Honestly, I think they will become somewhat popular, but nothing like Minions or Rick and Morty McDonald's sauce.
LordJournalism ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:53:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs a Porg. Theyโre Force sensitive natives on Ach-To based on the real life puffins that live on Skeling Michael, where it was filmed.
wildtangent1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:50:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So...in other words ewoks.
LordJournalism ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:51:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How did you get Ewoks from what I said?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:11:15 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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LordJournalism ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:19:25 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How did Ewoks not contribute to the storyline? What?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:14:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's the cute and fuzzy sidekick that tryhards who shit on Ewoks and Gungans now "adore".
JIDF-Shill ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 02:24:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Episode IV: A New Hope
Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back
Episode VI: Return of the Jedi
Episode VII: A New Hope 2
Episode VIII: The Empire Strikes Back 2
Episode IX:...
rbarton812 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 02:32:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reyturn of the Jedi
Kane_007 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:19:58 on October 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You all complain, yet will still fork over money to watch it. Lmao.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:01:32 on October 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Kane_007 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:39:06 on October 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're crazy if you think you'll find a torrent that has as near good quality as the actual film. Disney is sitting on a $2bil movie. No way they'll let it leak.
JIDF-Shill ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:48:19 on October 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Camrip for a piece of shit isn't a big loss for me. It's not like it's going to be any good based on the last one
JaberJaws ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:34:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This, so much this. God damnit, was not happy.
[deleted] ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 05:05:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking whine about it more then.
floppylobster ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:34:56 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not wanting to start a discussion over whether or not this is a reboot of Empire Strikes Back, but I'm curious - if they were to announce up front that this was a reboot of Empire Strikes Back, would anyone be excited by that? Or is everyone sitting somewhere between hoping it's not going to be one and accepting of it if it ends up being one?
Basically I'm wondering if anyone was really hoping for an Empire Strikes Back reboot. (And I'm not saying it is, I'm just asking if anyone was hoping it was going to be).
rebirthinreprise ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:16:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/moviescirclejerk
bionix90 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:33:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Re-Return of the Jedi.
GoTomArrow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:23:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What do you expect. :P
OleCrankyGamer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:49:17 on October 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Episode VII: A New Hope 2 (feminized,diversified,plot derived)
[deleted] ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 02:37:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure how many will be left watching
xProperlyBakedx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:03:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How many will it take to make a billion dollars? My guess is a bit more than that many...
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 04:17:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
About as predictable as expected.
BroseBroeno ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 04:28:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's gonna happen in the movie?
Borchers34 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:42:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finn fights the first order, Luke hesitantly trains rey, but when he sees her power he refuses, and she leaves, finding kylo ren, knowing he would be more willing to teach her. During the final battle, Kylo is going to hesitate to kill his mother. Contrasting this, Rey meets Snoke, who tells her the things we've heard, then uses the force to do something to her. Her allegiance is left in question at the end.
Any more questions?
HashSlingingSlash3r ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:29:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
RemindMe! 68 days
DanFromSales2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:59:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because the original trilogy wasn't predictable? The only twist being "I am your father." that everyone saw coming? I am genuinely curious to see if you're right though.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:46:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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DanFromSales2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:01:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was not alive when A New Hope came out, you are correct. I also did not see the Luke/Leia reveal coming. But to say Star Wars was a twist and turn story of plot devices is a bit of a stretch. Love Star Wars. Love the original trilogy. Not going to shit on a new one until after I see it.
BroseBroeno ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:47:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What would you want to happen?
Borchers34 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:17:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ANYTHING other than a reboot of the original trilogy which this is shaping up to be.
Vanodii ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:23:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is spot on. Incedible lmao
Borchers34 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:13:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously, this is the most spoilers in a movie trailer since BvS. Its ridiculous.
HashSlingingSlash3r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:18:56 on February 8, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
a little off, but pretty close. you did you get the ending wrong tho.
Wealthyman1 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:18:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
anakin ghost, leia trapped in a drifting spaceship, rey caught by snoke, chewie dying, etc
memebuster ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:03:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like it showed waaaay too much ๐ค
Unculturedswine55 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:09:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Time will tell. I dont expect any of it to go down like this trailer
JonMeadows ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:06:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ho Lee Fuk
Wi Tu Close
jbones619 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:22:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bang Ding Ow
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:38:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Borchers34 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:12:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We Tu Low
jdogsguitar ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:59:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Potential SPOILERS - First and foremost, let me say that this is the Star Wars movie I've been waiting most for since the Disney announcement of purchasing Lucasfilm, since the first film was always going to be a reintroduction. Now, I have some concerns.. I worry about there being too many parallels to Empire and Return (like TFA) with training montages and dark caves and the reluctant mentor.. but I will wait before judging. Kylo & Rey at the end is probably misdirection. Snoke looks great. Kylo' fighter looks great. Johnson's direction looks great. The part I'm most excited for is Finn potentially having to face back up to the troopers he has abandoned.
WeylandCorp4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:11:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So long as it doesn't kill off too many of my favorite characters, destroy too much lore, or be a close of ESB I'll be ok. So far so good though from what I've seen.
JebidusSkari ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 08:48:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe just me but didn't feel like a Star Wars trailer and neither did it get me excited. I guess after seeing Rogue One I have high expectations.
ZebZ ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:00:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rogue One was barely a Star Wars film.
AnOnlineHandle ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:19:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought Rogue One (the 2nd half anyway) was the most Star Wars thing since the OT. It was clearly crafted with a massive amount of Peter Jackson like love for somebody who knew every detail of the originals, and also didn't want to just repeat them, but tie it together in clever ways. It even bridged the weird universe of the prequels to the OT in some ways, with flashes of Coruscunt, Bail Organa, etc, and somehow brought them into the feel of the OT.
ZebZ ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:26:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was a fantastic war movie (the second half at least) set in the Star Wars universe. But it didn't feel like a Star Wars movie.
SlamSlayer1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:39:40 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That was the point. You just described the film. A war movie in the Star Wars universe lol. So they succeeded.
ZebZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:30:55 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"a war movie in the Star Wars universe" isn't necessarily the same as a "Star Wars movie"
SlamSlayer1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:55:04 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was what many fans wanted though. Many of us have been asking for a gritty, boots on the ground Star Wars war movie. It delivered. What could have been done to make it more Star Wars-y for you?
ZebZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:31:41 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have no problem with Rogue One. It succeeded as what it was intended to be. My comments were in context of the grandparent post saying that Rogue One changed expectations for The Last Jedi.
I don't think Rogue One, being an anthology movie, should factor into any such expectations.
JebidusSkari ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:30:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have to disagree IMO was the closest and best star wars film since the first since Return of the Jedi. Even if a spin off.and not part of the main story
Sodo_Fett ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:36:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously underwhelmed here...i guess thats a good thing, keeps the expectations low. "Cant be dissapointed if you already think its shit..."
The_reflection ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:02:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kill all porgs. Burn them all. No porgs please.
gotoucanario ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 08:43:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where the fuck is Jar Jar?
fortunegunner ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:46:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For the love of god. Am I the only one that wants to see Kylo redeemed and Rey fall to the dark side?
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:35:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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fortunegunner ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So edgy with your sarcasm.
Obazda ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:14:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
thanks!
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 08:28:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hoping we get a unique plot this time around, and like how Force Awakens was New Hope 2.0 I'm hoping for something different than The Emperor Strikes Back 2.0
toreachtheapex ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:53:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So fuckin stupid. Doesn't add up to the depth of Star Wars at all.
BradleyAllan23 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 05:00:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol its a trailer that is purposely cut and edited to misguide viewers. How much depth did you want from the plot in 2 minutes?
toreachtheapex ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 05:01:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its just all fucking cinematic bullshit with a bullshit plot. I miss the old starwars.
summersgod ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 05:13:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
then don't watch the film?
toreachtheapex ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 05:30:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lmao I wont
finkramsey ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 06:16:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Star Wars has always had a paper thin plot. It's swashbuckling in space
BradleyAllan23 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 05:04:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its impossible to know that without a time machine, no one knows the plot. I like all star wars. Original, prequel, sequel. All of them have had aspects I enjoy so far.
toreachtheapex ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 05:31:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The new one was fuckin horrible
BradleyAllan23 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 05:31:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rogue One or The Force Awakens? I liked em both.
toreachtheapex ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:32:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TFA.
istark ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:02:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No.
TrollinTrolls ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:29:26 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, it was fun.
suction ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:10:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
straight from the go Star Wars
SlamSlayer1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:29:39 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We'll get off your lawn now you crabby old man.
tribunetony ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:37:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
None of the movies do. If you want depth you need to go to the tv shows or the EU.
toreachtheapex ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:41:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I read the EU. The EU that Disney threw out for some darkside luke, teeny weeny villain, chosen one bullshit
DadoStar97 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 13:47:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The EU that was a complete mess made of infinite realities and possibilities, including Good White Vader, Mara Jade and the goddamned Crystal Star.
If you want to criticize Disney, at least do it for the bad things.
Drzhivago138 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:47:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Disney? The Lucasfilm Story Group made that decision. There's no indication that Disney exerts any creative control over their properties (Lucasfilm, Marvel, Pixar, etc.)
willmaster123 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:51:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This trailer revealed way, way too much in my opinion. Like, even with a misdirection, there was enough there that it felt like a whole load of spoilers. Kylo Ren hesitating to shoot his mom? Kylo holding his hand out to Rey? What looks like Finn under arrest? And that was only half of it.
They really need to think before releasing trailers like this. I feel really cheated kind of just by watching that.
Supernuke ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:53:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But those are the misdirections... those scenes were cut to look like they were together, doesnโt spoil anything imo
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:06:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of that could be misdirection. Maybe use critical thinking skills instead of telling professionals who have been doing this for decades how to do their jobs.
lmurphy213 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:15:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most of us like spoilers lmao
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:56:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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johndelvec3 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:58:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The only connection I see is the walkers that's it
Borchers34 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:12:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ATAT attack, snow planet (1:48), old Jedi training a new, a Sith asking a Jedi to change sides hand extended.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:35:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or the fact that it's much darker than VII
Gabe_Newells_Penis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:01:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But we're missing the most important character of all: Jar-Jar Binks. Where is he?
zgh5002 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:10:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's Snoke.
Gabe_Newells_Penis ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:13:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ultimate Sith lord, hiding in plain sight as a bumbling but heroic sidekick the whole time. Do you think Liam Neeson and young Alec McGuiness ever knew it was him?
zgh5002 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:22:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Qui-Gon knew. That's why there is no more Qui-Gon.
Gabe_Newells_Penis ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:40:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's like 9/11, but in space. With lasers and Jedi.
zgh5002 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:57:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This guy fucking gets it.
starwarsnerd42 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:09:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hopefully fucking dead
Gabe_Newells_Penis ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:12:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think you're underestimating the power of the greatest comedic relief in a movie ever. What is dead may never die, friend.
starwarsnerd42 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:25:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What is dead may never die
crispy111 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:02:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looks promising, I'm feeling a lot better after the bad aftertaste that was TFA.
vowell1055 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:11:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everything was awesome except that baby harp seal bullshit. It that gonna be the new Ewok? That's a clubbin', Joh Yowza.
The rest looks stankin' awesome.
sageleader ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:23:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah dude people are obsessed with Porgs already so get ready
vowell1055 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:34:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If it doesn't sing a song, I'll call it a win.
uncle_nurgle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:18:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well that was a whole pile of spoilers. I can see why Rian Johnson warned people away.
Euhn ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:45:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Calling it now that the little gerbil thing doesnt make the final cut.
SlumdogSkillionaire ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 04:53:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They've invested so much in merchandising the little bastards that by this point they're more likely to cut Luke out of the movie.
salaciousbumm ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:18:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You have called wrong
markdeez33 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:46:19 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did anyone else hear the legendary "Autistic Screeching" from Sidious' "It's Treason Then" scene from Revenge of The Sith? It is mixed into the build of the music just after Rey ignites the Legacy Saber in the first part of the trailer. I haven't seen anyone talking about this or pointing this out. What could the significance be?
santichrist ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:53:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looks boring
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 10:33:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder how perfect Rey will be again
kegufu ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 11:23:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We are going to find out she has the most Midi-chlorians of anyone ever tested. ROFL
OleCrankyGamer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:51:05 on October 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And previously, the Skywalker's were only good Jedis because of the Space Patriarchy & institutionalized racism
They actually were subpar heroes
KillerAceUSAF ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:56:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't matter, the entire subreddit is going to get off on protecting her image and saying how she isn't perfect against literally all the evidence showing she is a Mary Sue.
SlamSlayer1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:23:51 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And yet evidence she isn't is outright ignored by those who think she is. It's vicious cycle.
KillerAceUSAF ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:31:13 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What evidence is there that shows she isn't a Mary Sue?
SlamSlayer1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:57:24 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well what evidence is there that she IS? Please tell me, because I've had this conversation so many times at this point 99% of the points brought up were explained in the film and people just didn't pay attention.
But to give you some examples/counters
"Oh how was Rey able to fix the falcon better than Han could" - She literally says (after being asked about this) that she helped Unkar Putt fix and modify the Falcon. She knows her way around it because she helped make alterations to it.
"Oh how was Rey able to use mind trick on stormtroopers" - She just had Kylo Ren invade her mind and realized she was able to feel him in her head and push back with the force. She felt her connection to the force that Maz was telling her about. So she pushed him out and now realizes that the Force can be used to manipulate people's minds. So after a few tries on a stormtrooper, she succeeds. Which is the same thing as Luke, realizing he can feel his connection to the force, and for the first time in his life deflect blaster bolts with a lightsaber after a few tries.
etc etc etc.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:04:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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KillerAceUSAF ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:16:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly, she is more of a Mary Sue than the original Mary Sue which was a satire/parody of these kinds of characters! Anyone that defends Rey's writing is a moron, and is blinded by "but meh Star Wars" circlejerk. I love Star Wars, I would marathon the original trilogy at least once per year. But this new bullshit is disappointing. Between Mary Rey Sue, and a passive protagonist in Rogue One that could have been taken out and had the same exact film. I am really disappointed by Disney in Star Wars. The only good thing has been Rebels.
SlamSlayer1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:27:18 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You must not have been paying attention to the film because she SPECIFICALLY states how she HELPED Unkar Putt make modifications to and fix the Falcon. Which is why she knows it's ins and outs and why she calls it garbage.
Also Ren was shot in the GUT with a Crossbow that the movie sets up as so over powered people explode when they're hit by it. Ren was critically injured fighting a girl who could already handle herself having survived on the harsh planet of Jakku and was being guided by the Force in the fight.
You know the same way Luke's actions were guided by the Force when he shot the death star exhaust port
Or the same way Anakins actions were guided by the Force when he won the pod race
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:34:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Wantazmo ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:38:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And you came to that conclusion based on a trailer? Wow
[deleted] ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 04:35:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh look. Another super original fucking post. -_-
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:44:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh look another Redditor who thinks that only positive and uplifting opinions are allowed to be expressed.
InstagramLincoln ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:33:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ridiculous Rey and Snoke theory
shadow7786 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:43:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like fucked up clones?
InstagramLincoln ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:15:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I suppose. I'm guessing someone like Snoke genetically created Rey in a lab. That's why she's so fuzzy about her own identity.
The crazier level of my ridiculous theory is that Kylo Ren somehow created both Rey and Snoke.
HereComesJustice ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:03:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Les Enfants Terribles?
Like from METAL GEAR
mattmul ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:49:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A weapon to surpass the Death Star
MichaelM_Yaa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:26:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i think rey might be dark origins now...
DaemonTheRoguePrince ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:29:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hold your snakes there, Orochimaru.
AstroTwatter ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 12:50:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So a force-sensitive youngster trains with an old and cynical former jedi at a remote location, and goes to help her friends and join the final battle of the film, where she'll find out a ~big secret~. "This isn't going to go the way you think" is "you must complete your training." Canto Bight is Cloud City.
This is going to go exactly the way we think.
spiderpigface ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:00:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FINN LOOKS BADASS
Goose_Dies ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:01:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke is a BAMF Jedi!
cjn13 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:01:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ENGAGED THE HYPE SPEED THRUSTERS!! FULL POWER
Sixchr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:01:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
OH MY GOOOOOOOOD
Bexirt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:02:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
APOLOGY ACCEPTED CAPTAIN NEEDAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
mudermarshmallows ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:03:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man there's a lot of sneaky editing in here
woodys6604 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:03:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So Kylo and Rey huh? And im guessing Luke dies because if she needs someone, why doesnt she go with Luke?
IronMarauder ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:07:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe she has a falling out with Luke for some reason?
woodys6604 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Possibly. Maybe after that we dont see Luke again. This trilogy is about Kylo and Rey I think, so i wouldnt be surprised if they didnt do too much with Luke.
IronMarauder ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:22:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really want to see Luke kick some serious butt though. He never really got the opportunity to do so in the OT b/c he was just barely a Jedi + the fighting was much more primitive back then (compared to PT). If you catch my drift.
BlazeKnight7 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:12:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's possible that Luke abandons her because he's scared of her power. Or she says that line to Luke and the trailer is just making it look like she's talking to Kylo.
Moruitelda ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:18:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
maybe they're being a little tricky?
Trilligan_Island ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think Luke goes to the dark side
woodys6604 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
God I hope not. That would be a complete betrayal of the character. The thing with Luke was, no matter how hard the sith tried, no matter how tempting they were, Luke would never give in.
Trilligan_Island ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:07:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea I hope not either, but the short glimpse of him suited up looked very Sith like.
ADillPikl ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:03:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, Rey is evil.
-linear- ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:04:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Massive chills at the Kylo/Leia moment
Robinisthemother ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:05:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So Kylo kills Leia...
rocketpastsix ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:09:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She doesnt go out that easily.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:18:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You really believed that misdirection? C'mon man...
Robinisthemother ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:27:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, that's not the misdirection. The misdirection is thatRey is a good guy
bb8675309 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:10:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This looks pretty good. Do I have to see the the first seven movies to follow the plot?
realjaywalker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not necessarily, but I highly recommend for the full experience.
MuayThaiJudo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:58:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You'll be okay if you do Rogue One then Episode 4, 5, 6 and 7.
OneFunkeeMunkee ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:12:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TBQH, you can skip the first 3. There's a spin-off movie that's pretty good, though.
Percilus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:11:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This should have been the First Order of business when halftime started
Sketch13 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:12:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ITT: people who don't understand misdirection.
impeccabletim ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:16:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
IโM SH๐K. GREAT TRAILER AND I LOVE THE POSSIBILITY OF REY & KYLO FUCKING WORKING TOGETHER!!!
Njdevils11 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:23:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I bet Liea reaches out to Kylo with the force and speaks to him right as he's about to kill her. Heartstrings, prepare thy-selves.
bionix90 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:37:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think he either doesn't fire or the shot gets intercepted. I doubt they'll kill off Leia. Maybe make her retire, or something so that she is far less prominent in the story.
Njdevils11 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:45:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would love if she could talk him out of it something Han couldn't do. As for Leia making it, I'm not so sure. I'm saying 70-30, she's killed. Leia could never be retired. She's not a quitter.
stephensmat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:27:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
RIP Carrie Fischer. If she hadn't died, I doubt it would have gone the way the Trailer is pointing us, but I wager there's plenty of misdirection in the trailer. Also, it will be an epic moment, whichever way it goes.
But the trailer will drive all the people who wonder if Rey is a Skywalker completely up the wall.
macbeezy_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:31:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
โIโve seen this kind of power beforeโ short list of names it could be
Edit: How the fuck did I forget - Rey
dizacht ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:32:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Damn. Looks like my theory of Finn becoming a force-sensitive paraplegic like Professor X goes out the window.
Mojo12000 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:41:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So much good stuff... but then the fucking art design of the ships and stuff is a total let down... again. It's more freaking slightly revamped OT stuff, slightly different Mon Cala Crusier, Slightly Different AT-AT. So freaking boring. New ships and stuff were one of the things I always would look forward to in Star Wars the most. The art team for the ST has just immensely disappointed me so far.
zootskippedagroove6 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:43:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't like it.
GamiCross ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:47:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Force Awakens was filmed with the identical beats to A New Hope...
The Last Jedi has walkers in a snow area, Jedi training, lots of space combat-- I'm not saying it's going to be Empire Strikes Back 2.0... buuuut~
rsnellings25 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:53:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thatโs sand, not snow
Oh_Help_Me_Rhonda ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:03:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's salt, not sand.
rsnellings25 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:20:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Duh. Iโm the real dummy here
connorstory97 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:05:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Really weโre gonna complain about it being ESB 2.0 because there is Jedi training? When the hell is Rey gonna be trained? Episode 9?
Hvutti ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:50:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit I started tearing up as soon as I hit play, did anyone else experience that?
jonsnowme ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:51:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep! I did during Force Awakens but for this one I thought I got my cool back. Nah, no chill for me.
DiceRightYoYo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:51:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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piglet24 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:59:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anakin killing everyone on Mustafar
DiceRightYoYo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:09:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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TOGHeinz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:52:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hoping there aren't too many similarities to ESB. From a couple of quick shots.. we have ice creatures seeming to run under cover before a gate closes, bringing images of Hoth to mind (not so much the creatures, but the fact that they're ice-based and we have another gate hurrying up to close as they run underneath). We also have a line of Imperial walkers storming along, though here it is apparently an arid planet.
Also, Rey meets Snoke it looks like. Those images at the very end. Wonder how she gets out.. if she gets out.
20171245 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:55:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why is none talking about the cute screaming gerbil thing?
Edit: Im retarded and it's name is Porgs
sciencedenton ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:02:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We've been talking about Porgs for months yo
1leggeddog ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:04:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok let's talk about the real controversial thing in this movie...
That screaming thing on the dash with Chewie...
Wtf
HouseOfBull3209 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:12:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Porg.
the_fuego ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:22:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's called a Porg.... and it's cute.... that is all.
1leggeddog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:08:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How exactly do you know that?
captaineighttrack ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:12:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is no one going to point out CGI Chewbacca? Yes the trailer was amazing but you can't make Chewie CGI.
Red_coats ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:15:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If Rey turns to the Dark Side I think I may cry myself to sleep every night :(
SarahLightBringer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:29:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like Rey is going to the Darkside and Kylo is going to the Light. Going to be a good movie.
Zin-Fed ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:33:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
General Kenobi - Hello There !!
Satans_bloody_farts ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:34:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke will get caught in an explosion and it will burn all his flesh off and it turns out he was a terminator the whole time
Fragzilla360 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:51:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sarah Connor confirmed
iunderstoodthatrfrnc ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:42:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know Disney is a big company and all, but did they seriously have to change Christmas by ten days?? Couldn't they just wait or leave it at Dec 15th?? Disney better at least send out letters if they plan on changing a national holiday.
jwgarcia82 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:19:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No movie ever says "This Christmas season" but that's generally always what they mean.
iunderstoodthatrfrnc ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:20:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is it though?? I smell corporate greed and manipulation.
jwgarcia82 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:56:59 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's wrong with them wanting to capitalize on a franchise if they continue to make good stories? Both Rogue One and Force Awakens were fantastic, so as far as I'm concerned, if the price for more good Star Wars movies is Disney making money on toys around Christmas, so be it. The won't get made if nobody can make money on it. It sucks, but that's just how capitalism works.
iunderstoodthatrfrnc ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:00:15 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh don't get me wrong, I love capitalism. It's just the whole moving of Christmas to the 15th. The good book says it's on December 25th and that's when I'm gonna celebrate it kap slap it! Not gonna let big corporations say when the wise men showed up at the manger, no siree!
jwgarcia82 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:04:15 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh lord lol! What would Jesus think!? Is anyone even gonna get him presents this year!? DAMN YOU DISNEY!
iunderstoodthatrfrnc ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:09:25 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I made a petition at change.org pls support and tell didnee u don wan thim mezsinn w/hour secred hooleedays
Assassinsayswhat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:04:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stop right there Lucasfilm, you've betrayed my trust enough.
johndelvec3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:20:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh calm down they're not spoiling anything you really believe they're gonna blow their money shot on a trailer?
Assassinsayswhat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:25:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not afraid of them spoiling anything, they know better than that. I'm afraid of being misdirected again.
Mackaf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:43:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Misdirection is the point
Assassinsayswhat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:32:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That doesn't mean I should want to be misdirected.
PumpedUpParrot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:42:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What is more likely:
Rey and Kylo essentially switch sides?
OR
Rey falls to the dark side, and Snoke sees more power in her than Kylo Ren?
Kasuge ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:10:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
seems likely Kylo switches to the light, Rey goes to the dark, in a way it makes for a more dramatic story.
We know Rey already beat Kylo, we know she is incredible gifted, and basically achieves what she wants almost immediately. that makes for an incredible boring protagonist. where as Kylo isn't. Kylo has struggles, and this is shown, which means he has a much greater potential as a protagonist.
plus we all know Kylo has to get some redemption. and the first trailer kinda alluded to that, luke even says their is so much more to the light V Dark. if anything I can see Kylo being a grey force essentially. neither completely light, or dark. the perfect balance if you will.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:46:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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vitalAscension ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:51:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke looks like he's going to be a total turd
tribunetony ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:53:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But you know he's going to do something immensely badass at some point
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:49:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo and Stormtroopers arrive at Ach-To. The island has already been abandoned by Rey and Luke. Kylo and the troopers tear apart the whole island looking for the two Jedi and destroying all Jedi artifacts Luke has collected. They enter a room filled with holocrons. Kylo sends the troopers away. Kylo is alone and activates a holocron. A jedi appears and instructs about lightsaber techniques, Kylo opens another holocron and it is another random Jedi. Frustrated, he opens multiple holocrons at a time and there is nothing useful. He drops them all. One holocron pulls to him. He slowly lifts it and activates it. A jedi stands before him... "My name is Anakin Skywalker..."๏ปฟ
I copy/pasted this from the YT top comments. I just thought you all would love this as much as I did.
tribunetony ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:43:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anakin Skywalker never goes to Ach-To, maybe after he became Vader but certainly never before.
emzycap ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:02:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, my boyfriend and I both came when we saw this during the game
PM-ME-UR-KNICKERS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:17:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yeee
raiigiic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:57:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
my reaction to this trailer
emberaith ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:29:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know the popular theory is Kylo goes good and Rey goes bad, but I just don't see redemption for Kylo after killing Leia. After killing Han, maybe. Big maybe. But both parents? Nahhhh, fuck that guy.
RomuRaf ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 10:43:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No reason to think he kills Leia really...
DeadBea116 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:00:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well to be perfectly honest, and this is just my opinion, since Carrie has passed it would make sense for her to be written out. Not to mention it adds to Ben's character development making it harder for him to come back.
PayForYourGas ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 11:57:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have a feeling the trailer misdirected us to think that way and its not what actually happens.
DeadBea116 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:59:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
More than likely you are correct
RomuRaf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I guess I was a bit harsh with "no reason", but it's just that I don't think we can conclude anything from trailer like that. It's possible, but I don't think the trailer made it any more likely than not. In fact, it gave me the feeling where it could be a possible turning back point. Although all of that could be misdirection as well.
DeadBea116 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man now you got me thinking... You know what this means... We have to see it!
RomuRaf ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:08:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Haha, sure thing :)
emberaith ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:53:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This entire thread is speculation, so I'm speculating. It also looks like he smashed his helmet, given that it makes no appearance in the rest of the trailer. That could indicate a change of heart, perhaps.
RomuRaf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:10:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, no harm in that. Me too. I sort of replied to you in one of the other replies here...
FuzzyStorm ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:20:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We dont know if he kills Leia yet.
Gundam336 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:57:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have literally watched this like 20 times straight
JayGooner14 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:00:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
About this said power Luke is talking about, "being afraid". What if he's talking about himself?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:01:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right it does show his hand coming out of the rubble
WpCarlos ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:37:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jar jar back in action!
Thejklay ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:13:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good trailer
underachiever47 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:17:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol why did Luke look so shocked when Rey cracked the ground behind him?
JangoAllTheWay ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 12:19:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because she has unlimited powah
StingKing456 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:50:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Okay so Mark Hamill is using the EXACT same voice he used for Master Eraqus in Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep, which is basically a retelling of Revenge of the Sith, and he's basically the Obi-Wan of that game. And the main character Terra is Anakin.
Sooooo this is getting weird. Very very spoopy.
I'm actually really excited for the movie even though I didn't love TFA (and Star Wars is my all time favorite series) Rogue One was amazing though. (7 was definitely still a very good movie, I just ended up not loving it as much as I hoped.)
But I'm glad because I love the characters in 7, I just don't like Abrams directing style much these days. It also felt like he played it so so safe. However, Rian Johnson is an incredible director and I'm psyched.
_Ardhan_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:06:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Prediction:
Luke will reject Rey as an apprentice, out of fear for her power and him training another failure. During their argument about this, Luke will say something along the lines of "Why do you think I left you on Jakku?!" and reveal that he is Rey's father. The realization that her father left her to rot on Jakku will lead to an angry outburst where Rey will declare that in order to find the balance between the light and the dark (which seems to be the theme) she will seek out another teacher, giving us the scene where Luke is lying on the ground and saying "this will not go the way you think".
clitcthulu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:22:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As anyone else pissed at the lack of lightsaber battles? It's all I care about in the swu.
IV-IVm-I ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:31:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
weโll get them in the November TV spots, like they did with TFA
Rawrgodzilla ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:03:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Porg sound is cuteeee
Galifrae ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:19:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Once again, ladies and gentleman; don't trust the trailer. There's a golden rule in trailers, especially when it comes to these kinds of movies where everyone will be picking it apart, and that is to not show anything obvious. I don't think Kylo will kill his mom. I think that's who he is reaching his hand out to in the fire and rubble, maybe after putting her ship out of commission he lands and takes her somewhere safe to live out her days in exile, who knows. But, I don't think they'd just tease that moment in the trailer, it's too big. Also, notice how the backgrounds for Rey and Kylo are wildly different in those scenes, there's no way it's her he's reaching out to. Also, that's definitely Rey talking to Luke somewhere near the beginning of the movie when he refuses to train her. I think we might honestly see a crazy Luke in this, who might die doing some kind of redemption thing. I honestly think he might attack Rey at some point, but she won't kill him.
Also, at this point I don't think Snoke is anyone we know, or have known.
OliviaElevenDunham ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:51:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The new trailer was amazing! Luke's reaction to Rey's powers was great. Chewie with the Porg was cute. Can't wait for this to come out.
Thegreeper43 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:14:41 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hear ya, just overall I donโt want to be disappointed in anyway after I see it.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:18:45 on November 3, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You'll be crying by the end. And knowing this whole re-boot...er...I mean sequel is attached to JJ Abrams, it might not be out of joy.
ImEdwardd ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:01:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I AM JUMPING AROUND SCREAMING LIKE A LITTLE GIRL AFTER I SAW THE ENDING OF THE TRAILER JAISEIQQOAJSNWJQOSNEB
Kirillb85 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:01:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Those walkers look worse than the original. How is that possible?
CGI is garbage. They haven't learned a thing.
The_Senate27 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 12:05:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ILM, the industry leaders, havenโt learned a thing about CGI - (Random Reddit dick. 2017)
TrigglyPuffs ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:53:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They look like they're dragging their knuckles.
Baphometronic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:32:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I forget their technical name, but the colloquial term is "gorilla walkers"
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 09:05:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The CGI is most likely not finished yet.
IV-IVm-I ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 09:08:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought the same, but the movie is 100% done
MayIServeYouWell ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:18:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope the NFL paid Disney to run that, and not the other way around, because everyone was tuning in for the trailer, not this 2-3 "game".
b_dills ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:21:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Disney owns ESPN. Just some synergy
olddicklemon72 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:19:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Disney owns ESPN
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:25:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trailer was probably placed in this game because it was always going to be awful. Give people a reason to tune in.
coryjgomez ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:34:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No Lando!?
HawkeyeHero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:25:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also CGI Chewbacca. Not sure how I feel about that. I do like getting a bit more facial expressions, but then again, it just feels fake.
greatjorb88 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:27:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
EDIT: It's definitely not cgi. https://twitter.com/rianjohnson/status/917609292810698752
I don't think that's cgi, just a weird angle on his eyeball and the actor opening his eyes really wide
HawkeyeHero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:13:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh man?! Really. Wow, hard to believe. Going to have to watch it over and over and over and over. :)
Fragzilla360 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:35:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely looked like CGI eyes at the very least
moosemanjonny ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:40:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My first thought was CGI, but I have crap tablet so can't tell for sure.
blh1003 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:32:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're cgi...hes cgi...were all cgi
RiseoftheTrumpwaffen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:34:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Plot Twist: This whole trilogy is a Matrix simulation set up so Luke can find the best way to make the right choices.
36105097 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:43:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rey = Palpatine's daughter confirmed
AkashicRecorder ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:19:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have a bad feeling about this...
thrownormal ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:28:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a little worried about this trailer. At the risk of sounding hot takey, and before I forget, please indulge me while I jot down my thoughts extemporaneously.
I don't know why all the subterfuge, it makes me nervous when trailers are purposely obfuscatory.
Snoke is obviously referring to Rey at the beginning (presumably as part of his conversation with her in the trailer's penultimate scene where Rey is being sort of blown/bent backwards). But he says he "found" her, which means he set all these events into motion. Which, if we follow logically (and jumping ahead a few steps) means a sort of arc reversal between Kylo and Rey is in play (as many of you have already pointed out). That will require some storytelling ninjitsu because nothing in Rey's character so far suggests she's capable of a heel turn, and I dunno, I'm just not buying Daisy Ridley as a villain, at least not in this role.
Working off of that assumption, if we are to believe Kylo is reaching out to Luke at the end, then Kylo is likely on the path to self-sacrifice, a la Vader, because it would be awfully tricky redeeming a character who was complicit in the destruction of an entire planet as well as first degree murder of his own father -- regardless of Adam Driver's charisma.
The whole thing seems disjointed, and not just because it's a trailer.
More than anything I'm troubled by Rey saying (paraphrasing): "Something inside me has always been there, and now it's awake." But, nuh uh. You (Rey) were as surprised as anyone by your power in TFA. So you can't retroactively say, "Oh yeah, something's always been in there, I've always known it, and now it's awake." And "I'm just trying to figure out my place in all this." You were a scavenger waiting for your parents like two weeks ago -- your most ambitious dream was having a family. Pump the brakes. That's lazy storytelling. Like, Walking Dead lazy.
Rey's power seems to be immense, especially if Luke a/o Snoke is referring to her "raw" and "untamed" power. If that's the case, and the source of her power is something that's going to require a whole backstory into the Force and how Rey is special by birth, I'll be extremely disappointed. For midichlorian reasons. There's a difference between fantasy/hyperrealism and straight-up magic. Ultimately, it seems like that's the path. That Snoke is related to Luke's research into these ancient Jedi texts and talismans and whatnot, and that Rey is in some way a function of that. And that the plotline is some deus ex machina Chosen One retread. Hope I'm wrong. Sorry so long.
assuser ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:08:27 on October 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok well after sifting through all these posts, this is something I'm just going to have to jump on.
But, yeah-uh. Something inside her was always there. She showed extraordinary talent as a scavenger. For direct evidence, she'd have the dreams about Ahch To, as per Kylo's mind reading, so she was already seeing the future through the Force but didn't know it at the time. She doesn't say to Luke she was consciously aware of what was there, just that something was always there. Which it was. It wasn't until she had that force vision, the conversation with Maz, the mini freakout, escaped a kidnapping and began fighting Kylo that she came to terms with reality. It's character development. This is like arguing it's bad writing for her to go from saying to Maz "I'm never touching that thing [the lightsaber] again", to later summoning it to fight Kylo. She said she's never touching it again but low and behold there she is touching it again. Bad writing?
The dialogue in that trailer just shows that Rey has a modicum of self-awareness. She's having this conversation with someone who two weeks ago she thought was just a myth. She let go of her delusion about her parents coming back (clearly a coping mechanism to aid her in surviving the harsh conditions of Jakku) and has started a new life. Throughout TFA we really saw the force awaken inside of her. It doesn't really get more on the nose than that.
thrownormal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:01:06 on October 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First, I would dispute that she shows "extraordinary talent" as a scavenger. I'm not saying she isn't an extraordinary scavenger, but we don't exactly have a reliable barometer for this. For all we know, she's an average scavenger. Second, even if we concede she's an extraordinary scavenger, it's hardly support for her claim that something inside her has always been there and now it's awake.
In re: to her dreaming about Ahch-To, we don't know that she's never been there before; therefore, we can't assume that her dreaming about it constitutes precognition. Dreaming happens on the subconscious level. If she has been there before, her subconscious would remember it.
And yes, she does say to Luke something has always been there and now it's awake. But we are not shown that she believes this. Of course, we are shown that it's true, but we aren't shown that she has even considered it until she picks up the light saber; moreover, her reaction to what happens once she does pick up the lightsaber indicates that she's terrified and suggests she's never had such a Force-sensitive experience before.
Maybe throughout TLJ there will be information on the page that suggests as she was growing up, she acknowledges that something inside her has always been there. But based on the evidence, again, on the page, she was never aware of, nor did she display any such prowess.
Finally, your penultimate sentence is support for my point. You say: "Throughout TFA we really saw the force awaken inside of her." I agree with that. It awakened inside her during TFA. It wasn't always there. But to retcon the idea that she's always known, while providing evidence to the contrary throughout the first film, is, in fact, lazy storytelling.
assuser ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:55:24 on October 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well then you are arguing semantics. It was always there, now it's awake.
You'll note that I specifically laid out how she did not, she could not consciously know. Only in retrospect, once it had awakened, could she realize what was there all along.
Literally zero retconning. I call that lazy nitpicking.
thrownormal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:54:48 on October 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're arguing that she subconsciously knew it was there and I'm nitpicking? That's great if she knew it was there. But we were never shown that. It's not our job to decipher what is in characters' heads. It is the writer's job to creatively convey it, or at least give us enough to draw our own conclusions. And if, in TLJ, we see evidence that would lead us to draw the conclusion that "it" was always there, and it's skillfully done, I withdraw my objection.
Ultimately, the jury is still out. We know very little of Rey's past, so it's entirely possible that she has always known something was there and it just wasn't in TLJ.
I would point out that in my original post I was jotting down notes extemporaneously after one viewing of the trailer, and my position was just that I hope they don't retcon some sort of post facto, deus ex machina, magic-by-birth element to her character. I concede that I didn't make that clear since some of those thoughts were still just sort of half-formed.
BTW: This is probably the nerdiest conversation I've ever had with someone, and I love it. I think your points are valid, and I'd bet we agree on more than we wouldn't.
assuser ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:40:57 on October 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your line of defense is that she might have been to Ahch To already, therefore she might not have what is clearly a premonition. That's pretty thin.
She had 'raw' talent that was awakened throughout TFA. Maybe that doesn't jibe with you, but there's no fault with the writing there. I'm not an amateur film critic, I know what I'm talking about. The setup with Rey with regards to a sense of 'inner strenght' is fine.
thrownormal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:49:37 on October 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're arguing against a straw man. That's not the point I made.
Are you a professional film critic? I'm just curious what your bona fides are.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:35:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just hope that we can put all those 'Rey is a Kenobi' theories to bed now...
Enhancemon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:35:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Alot of people are talking about misdirection in the trailer. However I think the trailer does make it more apparent that Rey isn't a Skywalker.
Now I don't have any proof of this but what if she is actually the daughter of the Emperor?
mapbc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:09:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What was the Falcon flying inside of? Another Death Star?
davidm89 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:06:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like a cave on the planet Luke and Rey are on.
pic2022 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:50:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I needed to post this somewhere. I'm pretty sure that Benicio Del Toro's character, DJ, is Jango.
Here me out! Here me out!
The D's silent.
KidTheCurry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:12:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I keep seeing so many posts about the "light side" as if it is a thing on the Star Wars Universe. However, even since before the prequels, it has been clear that there is no such thing as "the light side". There is "the force" and "the dark side of the force". Where in the movies has anyone ever mentioned "the light side"? My only guess is that is all video game BS from games like KOTOR where you can be a "light" or "dark" Jedi. Furthermore, what is this nonsense of a "gray Jedi"? What? Qui Gon Jinn was not a "gray Jedi"; some kind of mixture between a Jedi and a Sith? I understand that Jedi can be a mixture between good and bad, but that does not make them "gray Jedi". I just...some of this terminology being tossed around like they are actual terms is a bit absurd it would seem.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:46:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You haven't paid much attention to the movies or shows, have you?
KidTheCurry ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:54:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have. So, please, give me a scene that references "the light side". Go ahead. "The light" does not equate "light side" since everyone refers to it as the "dark side" rather than "the dark". Go ahead. Please
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:05:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Have you felt it? The dark side...and the light."
Repeating the word "side" would make for a clunky sentence.
KidTheCurry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:07:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yet it has always been referred to it at "The Dark Side". Always. Regardless of how clunky it is. There is "the light" but "the force" is "the light". Not "the light side".
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:11:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thus an implicit light side. There're better things to try and argue about than explicit naming. -_-
KidTheCurry ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:38:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is just absurd to keep referring it to "the light side" whenever it is never called that.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:52:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think you might not understand the meaning of "absurd" if you're applying it to something as trivial as this.
KidTheCurry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:16:03 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But it is not trivial is Star Wars fans make up terms, use them in conversation as if they are actual terms, and then try to be defensive when told that the terms are not even real terms. That is absurd.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:22:05 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Light side is inferred when people say "the light". If someone wants to say "light side", let them. Who cares?
KidTheCurry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:23:15 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Show me in ALL of the Star Wars canon where it is referred to as the "light side". I can show you hundreds of cases for "darkside". Wonder why NO ONE has used it before?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:25:00 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You need a better hobby than being pedantic about Star Wars terms.
KidTheCurry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:37:28 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not really. Everyone keeps arguing with me, failing to find evidence of there being a "light side", and then calling me pedantic and implying how sad I am for actually discussing Star Wars in a Star Wars sub.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:40:57 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is obviously a "light side", you're just arguing semantics which is pretty petty stuff.
KidTheCurry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:54:33 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Obviously? Show me a reference from the films, TV shows, or comic books that refer to "The Light Side". I can provide evidence from ALL forms of canon in which the "darkside" is referenced. For now, there is "the force (the light)" and the "darkside of the force". Go ahead.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:13:35 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you not understand implicit? Beyond that, if there's one side, there's another. It's not difficult. Anyway, I'm done with this. It's getting beyond sad.
KidTheCurry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:30:09 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. There are "two sides". The "light" is THE FORCE and then there is a "darkside of the force". The movies even make this EXPLICITLY clear.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:39:34 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't believe how badly you're freaking out about soneone tacking "side" onto "light". No wonder people hate Star Wars fans. I can see you spazzing out on someone in public over this and it's hilarious.
KidTheCurry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:44:44 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You keeping calling it "the light side" even though it has never been referred to as the "light side". You refuse to accept reality.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:49:18 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you on the spectrum? 'Cause you act like you're on the spectrum.
KidTheCurry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:25:06 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The definition of being on "the spectrum" includes believing in nonsense and things that do not exist. Also, you have this weird tick of trying to defend positions whenever you have been shown countless facts to the contrary. Honestly, you know you have lost a debate when you continue to attack my intelligence and bring in absurd assumptions like I am autistic, stupid, or a moron. All I have asked from you is just ONE quote or reference to a "light side". You keep saying it is explicit, but why do every single property of Star Wars continue to avoid "light side" language when they explicitly refer to "darkside" language hundreds of times. All I want is the following - using the eight films, the animated film, Holiday Special, Clone Wars Cartoon, Rebels Cartoon, or ANY of the Disney Star Wars comic books, find a reference that mentions "the light side". Out of all of those forms of media, why has there not been a SINGLE mention of "the light side" when ALL of those properties mention "the darkside" in an explicit and consistent basis. That is all I ask. You have every single bit of the canon at your disposal. Just please, for the love of God, find a single reference to such a thing called "The Light Side". You can keep saying that it is implicitly mentioned, but I find it curious that if it exists in the way of a "side" that not a single form of media has referred to it as "the light side". That is all I ask. I will admit defeat and my misinterpretation of the entire concept of the Force if you can just find anything to suggest a "light side". Until then, it makes more sense to refer to the "force" and the darkside of the force.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:33:55 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No. I said it was "implicit". Reread. Also, holy fuck. Nice novel. You realize you're just proving my point over and over and over?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:37:56 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also...
http://mashable.com/2015/12/08/star-wars-calendar-8/#_NE4GC_q6Eqo
https://www.rundisney.com/star-wars-half-marathon/
KidTheCurry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:47:50 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So, a "press junket" and a "running marathon" makes this canon? Digging at the bottom of the barrel here, man. Big time. Stick to the actual Star Wars films, books, comics, and television shows. I guess that means that any of the Star Wars theme park rides are canon too? Come on, now.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:12:21 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You said find any reference. Try reading the article. You also seem to be avoiding the fact that you've been trying to call me out on explicit references but that was never something I said.
KidTheCurry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:20:59 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are right. That was a typo. I concede that point. My mistake. My entire point is that out of 8 films, hundreds of comics, hundreds of hours of cartoons, and thousands of pages of novels, there has still never been a reference to "the light side of the force". Even the article you referenced still holds the opinion that there is the dark side and the force.
WattsALightbulb ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:13:18 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can someone make an iPhone 6 wallpaper of Rey with the lightsaber by the rock?
vexunumgods ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:18:42 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tell me I'm crazy, watch the trailer againg, eyes closed, luke says "I've seen this raw strength in you" once before, it didn't scare me then but it does now. You<----how does he know you? He omg!! Says ive seen this in you before
electedrobocop ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:49:52 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He definitely says 'I've seen this raw strength "only" once before'.
vexunumgods ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:28:16 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rey destroyed the temple with her raw stretch, that is only possible if she is a Skywalker,anikins granddaughter
learnyouahaskell ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:44:34 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I swear somewhere I saw the last name "Kenobi"
thergud ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:15:18 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's General Kenobi to you pal.
cutemoney4evateehee ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:21:20 on October 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder if they meant ole Ben Kenobi
learnyouahaskell ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:29:47 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rey General Kenobi?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:34:41 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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learnyouahaskell ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:36:39 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ehhh
frustratedpolarbear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:13:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm already thinking this is a rehash of empire strikes back. We'll just have to see.
CarterG4 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:33:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope not. Wishful thinking here: Force Awakens was just giving us some nostalgia so we can get back into the series, then episodes 8 and 9 will be something completely different.
frustratedpolarbear ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:11:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really hope so. Thus movies under a lot of pressure not to be another clone. "Rey, I am your brother" is a line I wouldn't be surprised Kylo would say.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:02:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Sgtcrunch ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:07:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean the porg? It's a bird not a Wookiee....
cmath89 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs a Porg.
Haymitch12345 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:48:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not watching this. Haven't watched a trailer in years and I sincerely believe it improves the experience.
PersianImm0rtal ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:49:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It does improve the experience to not watch.
mattzky ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:55:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is the desolate plant with the AT-ATs potentially Parnassos from Phasma?
jmario99 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 09:17:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's already confirmed to be Crait
mattzky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:48:32 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ahh cool! Not sure why a question gets downvoted :(
jmario99 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:17:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's already confirmed to be Crait
redditdude500 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:20:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When Luke was talking about seeing raw power like this once before he meant Dagobah swamp Dark side cave. There is probably a place with more raw power on Ahch-To island that he's reluctant to enter. He's been waiting on Rey.
Also salty dogs. Not ice.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:25:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm glad to see most of the Kylo shots are without the dumb helmet.
I hope they dump the Kylo tantrums, he just sounded like a 30 something version of whiny teenage Anakin. Adam Driver is a good actor (I enjoyed Patterson) but I think his performance in TFA was very wooden.
I hope they show Rey humbled somewhat. There was no dramatic tension with her previously, she could do no wrong. It would be nice to see a clear progression upward against some adversity. Otherwise she is as boring as Superman.
I'd rather they dump the Phasma character. Other than a really cool costume, she didn't do anything to merit further appeal. I understand the actress who plays her has some cult status because of game of thrones.......but so what?
cpillarie ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:43:33 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I loved his character in TFA, if they had made him a carbon copy of Darth Vader, I would have rolled my eyes in the theater, but they pulled a genius move in making everyone in the film think he is just like Darth Vader when he was really just this dude trying to act tough but was really kind of pathetic
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:41:40 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To each their own.
He seemed like Anakin to me. People rightly criticized Anakin as a whiny brat - but at least it made some sense as he was a teenager in Ep II.........but Kylo is in his 30s, the tantrums just seemed sad.
moltenrokk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:42:18 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In a way you are correct. TFA Kylo Ren and Clone Wars era Anakin are similar in the fact that they both strive for greater power. However, Kylo strives to become stronger out of some sort of entitlement. He feels he should be as strong and renouned as his grandfather and his uncle yet this behavior causes him to act childish and spoiled. Anakin sought to gain greater strength out of a flase obligation. He thought he needed to become stronger because everyone told him he was the "chosen one." This lead him to doubt himself and fear losing things he held dear which drove him to betray his own morals and friends.
Basically, they are both immature but in their own way. They have the same goal, to get stronger, but the reasons behind why they want those goals are completely different.
grackula ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:19:33 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo did a better Anakin than Anakin did if you get my meaning
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:40:42 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I disagree, I think fans aren't being logically honest.
ha7on ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:50:15 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dump iconic helmet? Okay.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:27:45 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iconic?? To who?
I've never heard anyone call Kylo's helmet "iconic". That's a joke, right?
Vader's helmet is iconic. Boba Fett's helmet is iconic.
You need to learn what iconic means. I think the word you're looking for is "derivative".
ha7on ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:37:15 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 02:50:00 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Derivative? Yes. Iconic? Ha, no.
Risenzealot ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:57:03 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You were downvoted but I agree almost completely. His helmet is not iconic rofl, it's been seen in 1 movie...
He was also the weakest villain I've ever seen, I mean WOW he stopped a blaster bolt. Big fucking deal. Vader straight stopped one with his hand. Yoda damn absorbed pure force lightning.
Say what you want about him being weak from the blaster bolt but the guy got beat by two complete noobs. Hell one literally just found out that exact day she was even force sensitive. I'm sorry but Kylo is pathetic.
Anakin and others got entire limbs chopped off and still kicked ass.
Mrpoedameron ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:28:20 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did it ever occur to you that Kylo is not meant to be this diabolical super villain, and instead he is a scared, angry and confused young man who is unsure of his place in the world?
hellomondays ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:32:03 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah kylo is a flawed antihero not a big baddy.
This trilogy is about the young characters, rey, finn, kylo, finding their purpose outside of the shadow of the earlier generations, that they are resisting the destinies that others have forced on them.
Risenzealot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:50:48 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes that occurred to me but then I felt like that would just be kind of stupid. Iโm not saying you or your thought is stupid! Iโm saying that writing kind of would be.
Think about it, if he isnโt some super villain then where does the conflict or actual danger come from? Luke is supposed to be the ultimate Jedi ever right? Him or anakin. So why doesnโt he just smack him down?
Also admittedly it was kind of cool how he stopped that blaster bolt. The first time we see him he looks bad ass, do you personally think the way he was introduced wasnโt meant to show him as a super villain? I did, I just think he got weaker and weaker as the movie went on.
Mrpoedameron ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:29:27 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the first time we meet him, we are supposed to think that he is a supervillain, yes. But as the film unfolds, we learn more about his character and we see that he is a 'fake'. He isn't as evil as he makes out to be; he feels the call to the light - he wants to be good but he feels like he needs to be evil if he wants to be as powerful as he thinks he should be (being the grandson of Darth Vader). This fills him with torment and despair, ultimately culminating in him murdering his father. But it doesn't bring him the power he craves - he's defeated by an untrained desert scavenger. What will this to do his self-esteem? How will he come back from this?
Personally, I find this infinitely more interesting than your generic, over powered super villain. The Emperor was a cool villain, but all he was motivated by was the desire to be evil. Darth Vader was a much more interesting villain as he had conflict within him - he had baggage, a dead wife, children he didn't know about. There was still good in him deep down.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:57:16 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
THANK YOU. One sane person here.
Dragoryu3000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:22:46 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd rather they just have Phasma do more things.
Cheshire_Human ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:32:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iโve commented on this so many times, I may as well just make it a midnight comment:
Rey being even remotely on the same level as Luke or Anakin would ruin the movie for me. Itโs always been pretty obvious that after Order 66 a lot of knowledge was lost, and even Yoda was unsure if it was possible for someone to be born through the force. Thereโs no way Snoke or Sidious made her, and if they use the same โThe midiclorians did itโ from Phantom Iโm going to be pissed.
A few things I think will happen
(This is stuff I personally want) 6. Luke bring Han back (maybe using the Holocron) 7. Boba Fett or a Fett descendant 8. ANYTHING to do with Revan. I thought thatโs what Kylos mask was originally, and I still want it.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 04:37:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously one of the cringiest "want" lists I've seen in a while. Prepare to be disappointed.
Cheshire_Human ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:26:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ Iโm a huge fan of the books, so when Disney made them non canonical it made me kind of worried. As far as Iโm aware, there has been no Revan references in the new canon yet so idk if heโs even counted as canon anymore. And he is probably my favorite force user.
SlamSlayer1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:31:14 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There kind of has actually. Lots of Old Republic stuff from KoToR/ToR in Rebels. And in the Obi-Wan and Anakin mini series they're shown a hologram of a Sith shrouded in shows who looks VERY Revan like.
Legsofwood ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:09:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Grey Jedi aren't a thing, this has been stated by Lucasfilm time and time again
mutually_awkward ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:25:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
From my point of view, Rey has already proven to be more powerful than both Luke and Anakin.
Kane_007 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:58 on October 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit, this sounds so awful. Like something out of Shrek or Minions.
NoSignal- ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:45:23 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That Porg creature is like the minions cancer epidemy all over again. Brace yourselves.
notajackal ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:32:04 on October 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
...do you mean epidemic?
cuddlefish333 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:02:32 on October 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
eporgdemic
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:40:46 on October 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not even close, but ok?
NoSignal- ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:05:39 on October 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is. Even from that short clip you can see it's gonna be pure marketing.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:46:35 on October 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:09:58 on October 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Porg marketing isnt anywhere near the Minion marketing. That's all I'm saying. Take a pill.
Yunners ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:04:02 on October 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Knock that off.
[deleted] ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 03:36:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow looks shit
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 03:43:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You should be a critic.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 03:53:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks, rather happy with my critique.
DanFromSales2 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:57:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No one else is.
GuyOnTheLake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:01:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
WHAT WAS THAT END?
waveland720 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:01:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AMAZING
MisterBiscuit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:01:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
BRUH WHAT
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:01:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We will see Snoke in action ๐ฑ
Yoshisauce ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:01:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Whoa whoa whoa what the fuck did I just watch?
Schkateboarda ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:01:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gasp!
ThiefofNobility ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:01:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Leia.
-ElloAsty- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:01:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo's going to psych her out
KingUltimate1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:01:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A massive object has come out of Hyperspace
Hawkeyestate24 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:01:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Congrats Nick!
thaifood1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:01:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow. Just wow. Cannot wait!
donkeybong67 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:01:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
jesus christ
baitXtheXnoose ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:01:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm crying
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:01:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know who is good or bad now
rbarton812 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:01:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm hopping on the hype train before it leaves the station.
BilBoSwagginS-28 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:01:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uh oh..
YoungM0ney ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:01:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey ur the chosen one
notsure500 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:01:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Awesome!!!! Got goosebumps with those new walkers showed up at the beginning
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:01:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seems like Kylo will make it His mission to take down Leia as well.
ticklemythigh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
LUKE!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
IDK if this will live up to the next generation
smbr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
God damn I'm excited
kidwifi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HYPE DRIVES AT MAXIMUM
Cyberian_Husky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
PORG ALERT
A_Freaking_12_Gauge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"...it does now."
soils pants
brandonorlowski ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus fuck I'm hard
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
SNOKE AND REY AT THE END OMG
Turdferguson313 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh shit. Rey is going to fuck some shit up.
csw1sh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wtf
SneedJenkins ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
what.
MikeyCarrick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
SNOKE!!!!!!!!!!
Wanaquelito ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some major spoilers, mainly because of the implication.
tnyalc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Almost watched it!! Three months may be too long to wait!!!
2phresh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The cinematography in this looks absolutely incredible. I'm so excited.
Silence_Dobad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty big spoiler. Obi Wan doesn't know Rey from her past.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reys going to fight Luke...
Warlord_of_Wulf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looks EPIC
Crackerpool ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't even. I can't even. I WON'T EVEN!
msmouse05 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am looking forward to this movie.
The_Conkerer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder if that was Snoke talking to Kylo or Rey in the beginning, I feel like it could be either.
DankisKhan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
-I'm very intrigued to see if Rey and Kylo actually team up, that would be super interesting -Was that a turbo booster on an X-Wing? -Cant wait for the breakdown videos -Definitely like the tone and direction they're going, it doesn't look straightforward
baseball44121 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
meh? What do you all think? Luke seems a bit angst-y.
SewerLad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Does Kylo Ren kill Leia? It'd be a good way to send her out
Propuhganduh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit this trailer gave me goosebumps the entire way. So many unanswered questions, I canโt wait for this movie.
B-Rad15 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you are trying to avoid spoilers - DO NOT WATCH THE TRAILER
JakkuScavenger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HOLY SHIT! WHAT?!?
WabiSabiFuture ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
chills.
hobohunter13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I may or may not have freaked out when Kylo held out his hand in the end.
Okay who am I kidding? I definitely freaked out.
superfluouselk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oooooohhhhh Baby! I have a GOOD feeling about this!
Ishtastic08 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit that was a lot more Snoke than I expected. Consider me hyped.
hiredantispammer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
DOES she join Kylo??? Wtf that last part
pic2022 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit that was awesome.
douglashole ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HI r/ALL
fideliocrochett ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"I need someone".... FUCK THE FUCKING FUCKINESS. LET'S SKIP TO DECEMBER.
GoldenDragon645 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hooooooooollllllyyyyyyyyyyyyy shiiiiiiiiiiiiittttttttttt!!!!!!!
l3thalbloo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So Kylo probably kills his mother too :(
pizza_party_pete ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I DONT KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH MY HANDS
longhorns420 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
IM JUST HERE FOR MARK HAMILL
gandaalf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What the fuuuuuck this is amazing
snarskitouch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke looked so scared and terrified.
Thegreatrace ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
PUMPED!
Sunshine145 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hyped af! Holy Shit!
ugatz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just the right amount of plot, those new AT-AT and the dialogue makes me wonder if what's being said is actually to Rey not to Kylo.
MooseontheInterstate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
GODS I WAS HYPED THEN
jnewman90 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AWESOME!!!!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Should I avoid it or give in to to the dark side?
DeekoOne ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Avoid it. Big spoilers
jellyfungus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fulfill your destiny
JupitersClock ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That misdirection of Kylo taking out Leia.
onepride81 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
nice.
djvortix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
PORG!
bigbootyjoes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Those new AT-ATs stole it. Badass
phrausty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I got chills twice during that trailer. Wow.
fluxuation ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just saw the trailer at a sports bar, the entire place was quiet while watching. Iโm so stoked for the movie!
GTDwarf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HI REDDIT!
huhwhat90 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Okay! No more trailers for me from here on out! Hopefully Probably Maybe!
AUBeastmaster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
MY BODY IS READY
AssertiveDude ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Release the hype engine!
merkon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit... those walkers... So good.
PurpDjango ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't believe they're playing that card....
ctsmith76 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm getting a strong Empire vibe from it
noshoes77 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rey and Kylo abandon their respective sides to be together?
CorporalThornberry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rey and Kylo at the end has me super interested. Are they teaming up to bring balance? Is Rey learning from both he and Luke? I need it.
hellraiser24 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HOLY SHIT
enjoithelrg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HOLY FUCK
dmun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Apologies on behalf of NFL fans to all Star Wars fans...
Really, it's usually more interesting than this. It really is....
Riccolatesla ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And here we gooooooo!
FAILT4STIC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Damn Luke looks out of his element. The gravity of everything hitting him
dwebb93 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like they showed a lot in that trailer. Hopefully itโs just enough to keep me guessing. Better watch it a dozen more times to make sure.
Lacexwarrior ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit. I am so hyped right now. This is going to be an amazing film!
mistarteechur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So wow. So much to think about.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've got a bad feeling about this
geyserpj ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe showed a lot, idc so pumped
TurboCamel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Goose bumps .. of the good kind.
EnderVex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNGHHHHH
hgilbert2020 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who thinks that the end bit is a misdirection? Who thinks that it isn't?
zeekaran ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not in 1080 no thanks
whydidijointhis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh SHIT this looks good
lurker-no1234 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I THINK IT WAS A BIT MUCH BUT IDGAF WOW
AdamJensensCoat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
PANTS FULLY BROWNED
CaptainInertia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude my Midi-chlorians are going crazy
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It would be cool if Rey turned.
FloopyMuscles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy fuck, Hamill and Johnson were not kidding when they said don't watch it if you don't want big spoilers.
checknate1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like they showed a lot...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Wantazmo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:04:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Classic misdirection
whiskey-monk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:04:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Calling it now: one of those "spoilers" is really a Force vision
TheManInsideMe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:04:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm at the stadium and couldn't here anything but there were stormtroopers. Worth it.
AdamJensensCoat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:04:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snoke looks pretty sick! Can't wait!!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:04:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So many cuts that I think are intentional fake-outs that I actually hope aren't fake-outs and would be super intriguing.
Lenlfc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:04:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wasn't that hyped after the first trailer. Now!? There are no words to describe hype of this magnitude!
PHDfromTrumpUni ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:04:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To the top we go!
wittyusernamefailed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:04:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They are going to clean house on all the OG characters, calling it now. Luke, Leia... all gone.
greatunknownpub ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:04:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Porgs!!!
Pm_me_fruitsnacks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:04:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit. I'm expecting it to be a fakeout but damn.
thebeefy23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:04:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That last scene...holy shit!
H_Donna_Gust ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:04:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mind blowing. Holy fuck.
MNcomicGeek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:04:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
that trailer looked amazing too bad I had to watch it with people who hate star wars
StockManx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:04:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
krazygamerhead ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:04:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love what I saw and can't wait for reddit to decipher what all they showed.
Atone13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:04:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hell yes!!
cmrncstn1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:04:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh. My. God. Holy shit!
aprilmeijunebug ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:04:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do we know what the little arctic fox creatures are called? Very cute.
MegalaErga ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:04:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
wadu heck
Sgtcrunch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:04:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"For Phil"
-Snoke
ManOfIronAnSteel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:04:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is it safe to watch? Doesnt spoil to much?
Jpp06001 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:04:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In Rian We Trust
hgilbert2020 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:04:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Falcon in the cave was a fantastic set of shots
GreyRevan51 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:04:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like a lot of the recent leaks have been right...
The_Spartan_CV ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HOLY SHIT!
Theoson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you keep on refreshing the page, every second the comment count goes up by a couple dozen...
justinxduff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone making assumptions on purposefully placed scene cuts lol
mistarteechur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is Luke going to fuck up again???
SegundaMortem ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo is super powerful and Luke is scared of it. Holy Shit.
RossSpecter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a puddle of goosebumps and hype.
me_funny__ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Was Ren about to turn to the light side in the end? And was phasma actually doing something?!?
JRZee45 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo's gonna be the coolest kid in the first order with that band-aid
Occasionally_Correct ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There has been a tremor in my pants...have you felt it?
fireshighway ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
WOW. The Flacon flying through that cavern with all the crystals was incredible. Also did not expect a Finn vs Phasma fight but I love it.
I suspect that in some ways Luke is using Rey to โwin backโ Kylo, as it seems Benโs falling out with Luke will be a key piece of the story. Overall looks super impressive and probably will be the most visually stunning Star Wars film.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Way to get karma is kill both your parents....great....
haftor1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What a fucking roller coaster of emotions
Fro_Zone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
CHAOS H A O S
DarkJedi3000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm glad they're showing Rey's temptation of the Dark Side. That shot with Kylo extending his hand and Snoke using the force on Rey says it all. I really hope Anakin's ghost plays a role in her temptation as well.
ZebZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
SQUEEE!
Roxlvox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have a feeling nothing was really spoiled and itโs all just editing to make it look that way. Disney isnโt stupid enough to pull a Batman v Superman and spoil the movie before it release
oranguthang87 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HYPEEEE TIME!!!!
bobthecow81 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I doubt the Kylo killing Leia foreshadowing is real...wouldnโt show that much in the trailer Iโd imagine...
Nissin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea this ainโt a DC comic movie should be ok
chabo77 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy fuck that was epic. Lol at Lukes face https://imgur.com/gallery/qGQB5
pupmaster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TypeExpert ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just breathe.....
sammyjamjars ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"This is not going to go... The way you think." Yes!!!
Sideways_8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Punch it into HYPERDRIVE !
bushrod121 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I learned that I love porgs.
tatsumakisenpuukyaku ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I never knew there was so much hype in the world
Moldeyawsome12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
DECEMBER CANNOT COME SOON ENOUGH
I_AM_ETHAN_BRADBERRY ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone got it in HD?
IWrex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HOLY SHIT IM SO EXCITED
bear-assed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rey bad. Kylo good. Its gotta happen
savageApostle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That TIE Silencer though...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AASASDSJKDNASDNASDNA
that trailer was amazing. so many things that I hoped for an they all came true.
Spoiler
MikeRotch4756 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Now this is Podracing!
wawaboy2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am unbelievably excited for the space battles. I want them in my eyeballs now!
GoAViking ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is not going to go the way you think
passwordisTaco879 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First!
Razorwing23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snoke is on like an entirely different level of Force training.
mallaire ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So Kylo is probably gonna end up being good, right?
ProdigalTrev ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:24:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No...
Deadybears ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm so happy I was able to get tickets to the Thursday show!
Someguy2020 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finn with the lightsaber again?
If Kylo Ren joines forces with them we party. yeah.
Ohiostate124 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He had one of those stun baton things TR8R had in TFA.
eloso1974 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:09:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think Finn actually has one of those 1st Oder batons
Someguy2020 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
he does yeah.
J_G_B ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit y'all.
snarskitouch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What is up with Kylaโs scar? A black bandage over it in the first bit of the trailer. Then, just the scar with nothing on it later on.
bengopo22 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
REY AND KYLO!?!? Wtf
beeramz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
SPOILER REPORT
johndelvec3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy balls
Gerden ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I"M FREAKING OUT
josiahdurie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:07:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Assuming everything is a misdirection. TFA trailer made us thing Finn was a Jedi
GyngerSnapp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:07:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This post is rising ridiculously quick. Meanwhile u/Nickbloom is taking a shit and smiling to hismelf
greenismyhomeboy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:07:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy smokes
8nate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:07:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hell yeah.
hockeystar331 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:07:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
900 comments 8 minutes in... jesus
Toa_Quarax ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:07:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snowtroopers are back! I guess Crait is close enough to a snow environment.
pacmain1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:07:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That ending though
Threedawg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:07:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
WHICH FAKEOUT ISNT THE ACTUAL FAKEOUT
Cankleb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:07:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
PORGS CONFIRMED!!!!!!
swankyjerboa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:07:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"This is not going to go the way you think!" Me: Holy Fuck!
Mastermind521 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:07:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
too many spoilers. should not have watched
Trumpologist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:07:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The raw power comment, was that describing anakin/vader or Kylo
Also does Rey become evil at the end, or does Kylo become good?
Keyan27 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm guessing it's Kylo and it shows the memory of Kylo destroying the jedi temple is my guess.
Trumpologist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who is he reaching a hand out to. Also he isn't much older than Rey so it can't be him
brandonorlowski ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo
Kylo extends his hand, but Rey expresses her wish to understand the force to him as well. So I'm assuming Kylo wants her on his (dark) side. That can't be what happens, though. Gotta be a twist right after that moment.
Trumpologist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why not, it's always darkest before the dawn. Snoke getting both Rey and Kylo homie
UrdnotWrekt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd guess that Luke was referring to Vader. I don't think they've given us any indication that Kylo is supposed to be as powerful as Vader was, and I don't think Luke was every truly appreciative of how powerful Vader was in comparison to himself because he was generally hoped up on his own self-importance during most of the original trilogy.
infestedjoker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:18:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure it was Vader.
And I think he's referencing snoke.
ProdigalTrev ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:21:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You actually think Rey would turn evil? There literally wouldn't be another movie...that would be the worst idea ever. How can u think that?
Trumpologist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:25:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke turned evil for a while in the post trilogy material
br14n ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:07:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0CbN8sfihY
toots_a_horn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:07:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let the speculations begin! ....or continue
rafikiknowsdeway1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:07:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
anyone else getting deeply concerned that this is just a much a copy of empire as a force awakens was of a new hope? the parallels from what can be seen in the trailers are astounding
EmeraldMilcham ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:18:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can tell Disney is halfway afraid to try something new, lest their creation may face criticism in the same vein as the prequels. They'll play it safe and won't deviate too far from the formula that made the OT iconic. Their rehash and throwbacks will invoke the nostalgia in the older fans, while the newer generation enjoys all the bells and whistles that come with 40 years of technological advancement. Empire 2.0 will be a hit.
SublimeSC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:07:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hope this one is something more than what the first was.
clariwench ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:07:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I LITERALLY SQUEALED AND WAVED MY HANDS BECAUSE OF HOW CUTE THAT PORG WAS, OMFG. FUCK THE HATERS.
And Reylo is happening, no doubt about it. Are we still wearing purple shirts on opening weekend to signify that we're Reylos?
bipbophil ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:07:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ray = Bastila
karatemanchan37 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:07:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I NEED MY SCREENCAPS
tggoulart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:07:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looks amazing
bigpig1054 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:07:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Without reading the thread someone tell me how spoilery it is relative to the plot of the movie?
bluefunnel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:17:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely a lot of reveals about where certain characters go/end up later on in the film as well as some scenes that you can pretty much make out what happens. I lot of misleading scene combinations too though, it seems like.
Vanlande ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:07:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nothing makes me tear up like a new Star Wars
alphatrooper987 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:07:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love the ideas portrayed in this trailer. Luke not wanting to teach Rey, more to Kyle Ren, return of Phasma. This is looking good.
SnaxB ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:07:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Penguin!!!!
jtpaynter18 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:07:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well that was intense
Moekazool ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:07:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
MAXIUM HYPE
Porkopolis12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:07:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey /r/all this trailer is a little heavy on possible spoilers. Maybe don't watch if that bugs you.
tornshorts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:07:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
YEAH THE PORG!!!
_maynard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:07:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Quick: do I want to see in 3D the first time or regular? I'm a glasses wearer and generally dislike 3D but I'm hesitating
ToodlesXIV ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:07:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This movie looks BEAUTIFUL
just_regular_guy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
SNOKE
barefootBam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
holy shit. i am so hype.
evilone17 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ugh God damn it... I should've just waited for the movie.
HammaDaWhamma ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So many headfakes that I don't even know which head is real.
abraksis747 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To the FRONT PAGE!!
LavenderGoomes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are there spoilers I should worry about or was the whole "you shouldn't watch this" overstated?
vhiran ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:23:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
about 3-4 super spoilery scenes among the fluff.
Keyan27 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So are they going to have Kylo kill Leia now too?!?! Can't handle this wait!
ProdigalTrev ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:16:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She will probably go out in her own way, doing something special.
vhiran ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:22:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
prob not, he was blasting away at the ship until they seemed to connect and he immediately hesitated a nd has a mini-freakout. Seems like until that moment he wasn't even aware she was on it.
Despite the voiceovers of 'kill the past if you have to' we don't know who he's talking to, and he is the one character who never seems to believe what he's selling anyway.
Captain-Faptain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This was by far the most interesting part of the game!
flamingmonkey911 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
BUT WHAT DOES IT MEAN
Noblehammer16 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Soon...
Obie-two ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
lol 1100 comments in 10 minutes? That's the force
Coal_Cartoon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait is that Luke going up against Rey?
JacobJasonJerry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did the porg replace Han??
modifieddevice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
is that a black scout walker in the hanger bay?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man, snoke looks like a nutsack with eyes.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just realised ESPN Australia was the first place to show the trailer in Australia at 1pm during a sporting match of a sport most people in the country donโt care about. I assume most Australians didnโt tune in especially with how few people own Foxtel these days.
noshato ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm so fucking excited! Going to re-watch over and over tonight.
Revived_Bacon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Now THIS is a Star Wars trailer!
IAmRareBatman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Very well edited. The visuals are amazing. This like Blade Runner 2049 mixed in with some Harry Potter: Deathly Hallows.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maaaan. Rey bringing Kylo to the light or is he dragging her to darkness, making Luke the last Jedi?
deathmouse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke already is The Last Jedi.
Think about it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:33:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right. But will Rey take up the mantle if/when he dies?
DragonLair4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snoke is one ugly dude.
SirUlrichVonLichten ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snoke is totally talking to Rey in the beginning of the trailer.
vhiran ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
so... guess we're gonna be taking risks now.
yippy_13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
With the way the last one ended I would've preferred Luke to not talk in the trailer
wittyusernamefailed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So Rey DOES end up in Snokes throne room. That should be interesting.
Jedi-El1823 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We saw Finn in the clutches of The First Order, so she probably offers herself up to save him.
ripper007 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like Kylo going all Ziggy Stardust
Shucked_Corn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sweet Mother of God.
TheBigAndy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I legitimately can't believe they spoiled that much.
Proxx99 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:09:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy hell this is the most plot dense trailer I have ever seen.
alextastic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:09:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Digimon crossover confirmed at 1:32
CapsuleCorp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:09:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've never been more excited about anything in my entire life ever
Aeceus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:09:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Still no green blade sightings.
infestedjoker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because we aren't going to get it man. Luke isn't gonna whip out his lightsaber they are making Rey the hero.
Just sucks we have 30 years of the strongest Jedi ever and he is afraid and lacks confidence. So he's weak. Hopefully we see a Luke in action. No one should be able to stop him.
SamuraiFlamenco ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:09:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
THE LIL' PORG THO
deephal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:09:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The tragedy of Rey.
jrose6717 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:09:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What the fuck is Snoke??
RiseoftheTrumpwaffen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:14:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Heโs a geniune Sith like the race.
jrose6717 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:00:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ohhhh so he's og lol
MiracleBeliever ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:09:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'M VERY SHOOK, I HAVE SO MANY QUESTIONS. BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY SO MUCH HYPE.
Eric77TA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rebellions are made of Hype.
GuyWithTheFae ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:09:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm convinced this trailer was made so that everyone would speculate everything and it be a massive misdirection in the actual film.
iceeaholic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:09:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"I need someone....to show me my place in all this"
Get ready to make the jump to HYPE-erspace!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:09:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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MoeSzyslac ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:10:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
BIRB
Eric77TA ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:10:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a Porg.
BigTall81 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:09:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well that escalated quickly.
BozePerkovic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:09:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow fuck me was that good but so spoilery
RiseoftheTrumpwaffen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not enough Jar Jar
coolhatguy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
remember when they said snoke wasn't a force user
vhiran ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:24:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"benedict cumberbatch is definitely not playing khan in star wars."
SkillfulShade ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
fuuuuuuuck
Wee_Baby_Samus_Aran ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So is there a crap ton of spoilers or what?
damn_jexy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Karma is off the scale for /u/nickbloom
Jesse1198 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
spoiler?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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opfeels ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/u/ProudNitro is slightly positive. view results - Ranked #88061 of 163082"
LeMattJM ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like Star Wars.
ellbell0409 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As for the story, Iโm glad I donโt know whatโs happening. I absolutely CANNOT WAIT for December. 2 months to go...
hermiona52 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HOLY FUCK!!! THAT ENDING!!!
dmkolobanov ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iโve been looking forward to this
troyareyes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
YOU GUYS ARE MAKING IT REALLY HARD TO NOT WATCH IT!
vhiran ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
mary sue status revoked
jk021 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How did this get uploaded so quickly? Haha
AntiAbleism ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Amazing trailer!
Dragoryu3000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Christ, Reylos are going to have field day with this. . .
Krauser_Kahn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What does Luke say in 0:51?
dpaugh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can we talk about Kyloโs lightsaber pls!?
OhThatEll ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh I am not ready for these emotions at all.
GrandZebraCrew ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love the porg even more now!
OrganicDoom23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finn looked straight Sith.
buffyangel808 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The last two trailers have had more vocal work in the score. I miss that so much about the Prequels and I hope The Last Jedi brings it back!
ninjanolan1128 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone else notice how Kylo had that metal strip on his scar in the beginning of the trailer but not in his confrontation with Rey? Could mean something idk
EtticosLebos ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:15:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm guessing it's some sort of accelerated healing space band aid. By the time he faces Rey the scar is healed completely.
robbo4025 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo kills leia = confirmed?
Flare-Vortex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:23:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Leia was supposed to also be in Episode IX. I highly doubt that they'd want to TFA Spoilers, but even if Kylo does kill Leia (which is highly unlikely), we don't know for sure if Leia can be a Force Ghost.
ExtraLucky13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My daughter is going to love this! I love being able to get her to need out on stuff.
nascentia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Going through and pausing to check out details now...
1) That AT-AT hangar is huuuuuuge! And there's an AT-ST!
2) New variants of AT-AT, and holy SHIT - they're twice the size of the ones we first saw on Hoth. There's a standard AT-AT in the midst of them and it's dwarfed.
3) The AT-STs are new variants, too, and there are also a LOT of them.
4) Rey meeting Snoke, damn! He's flanked by his praetorian guards.
5) The last shot of Kylo...no "carbon fiber" bandage on his facial scar. Hmm.
winslowpete ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wasnโt hyped for this movie before......BUT I AM NOW HOLY SHIT!!!!!!
systor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oscar Isaac's eyes though. Something happened internally to me when they showed Poe.
bitbee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What I got from the trailer: I still know nothing about how it's going to go down.
abductodude ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"I've seen this raw strength only once before. It didn't scare me enough then. It does now."
nymarya_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So that weird vision when Rey touches Luke's lightsaber in FA was that the same scene that Kylo was with R2?? And Luke said he knew her before??? Soo she was training with him before Kylo turned bad???
I need answers!!
josiahdurie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"This is not going to go the way you think"
cb75 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's no way i was going to avoid this trailer. I think i resisted for about 5 seconds.
b_runt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let the speculation begin!
ChurlieWags ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Great trailer soundtrack, got goosebumps on those transitions to kylo!!!
SparkySywer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Congrats, you just won reddit.
koshyguy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck this is so cool. I'm so hyped up, I wanna punch my wall.
sharkhuh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hamil's line about fearing Kylo is HYPEEEEEE
sageleader ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:21:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What does he say exactly? I can't tell
sharkhuh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:51:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0CbN8sfihY&feature=youtu.be&t=51s until 1:01
sageleader ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:27:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I still can't understand what he's saying. What has he seen before?
sharkhuh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:44:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke: "I've seen this raw strength only once before. It didn't scare me enough then...it does now."
sageleader ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:33:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks! I thought he was talking about some weird trees
AwesomePossum5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For Phil!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man so tired of this head fuckery. Just make a trailer that isnโt designed to make me think it gave away plot details. Now Iโm gonna be fucked for the next two months covering my ears so that I donโt find any โdetailed explanationโ of what we saw. Glad everyone else enjoyed the trailer though. I should have just not watched it and been happy with myself like a good little JJ Abrams
xT1DE ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
trailer got me dumb hyped i think this will be really good
shouldaUsedAThroway ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Omnis_Vir_Lupus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck!!!!!!!!
Ryino12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok I'm shook.
Ryino12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That bird tho
FireThief7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone else interested in the 5th engine on the back of that x-wing?
thi86 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
wow!!!!!! THAT END!!!!!!
ogsoul ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That was fucking AWESOME
dancesrarely ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That hanger bay of AT-ATs.....
Boomy925 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I see at-sts and at-ats?
forkness ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo goes good, Rey goes evil
ijustwanttogohome2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:14:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke goes evil to save Kylo and Rey.
Prophet92 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:21:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Now that would be a ballsy twist.
squirtjohnson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:13:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"THIS IS NOT GOING TO GO THE WAY.... YOU THINK IT WILL."
Don't over analyze this, people. They're playing with us.
candichi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:13:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can we have a discussion about those storm troopers that marched onto Soldier Field? They did NOT look ready for battle in any way.
ijustwanttogohome2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:13:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're more accurate than Sam Bradford.
IllinoisBroski ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:13:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously. Should I watch the trailer? I'm afraid of ruining the movie for myself 2 months out.
joemc72 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:19:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The trailer is almost entirely new footage. I personally didnโt think it gave away any plot points though. Lots of misdirection though with the editing.
sageleader ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:20:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you're afraid then don't watch it. If you want some cool scenes and stuff then do
TheBarberOfFleetSt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:13:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kyle's scar didn't look the same when he was reaching to rey at the end than the rest of it.
ilikemusictheory ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:13:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rey and Kylo work together to stop Snoke and finally bring balance to the force.
RyanSas17 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:13:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Last scene is amazing so far. Looks like Snoke is using the force on Rey. You could see the robes in background
Relwolf1991 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:14:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Plagueis
gunnermcgavin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:13:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just have a feeling that Kylo and Rey will team up against Snoke. Vader went evil in the older films, so it would make sense to have evil come back to good in the new films.
Perhaps the "tattoo" that Kylo has over his scar is after he became good? He was just flying a different fighter trying to shoot down that TIE that was shown in the trailer.
Remember, Star Wars trailers are to be taken with a grain of salt!
Mastacon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:13:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who is speaking at the start of the trailer?
joemc72 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:17:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snoke.
Shinkyo81 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:18:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snoke?
Errk_fu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:13:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone else notice the AT-ATs walk like gorillas now?
koleye ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:13:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Calling it now: Snoke is Rey's father.
guillelon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:13:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can someone tell me what does Luke said to Rey when the earth cracks?
IceClownFromIceTown ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:16:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've seen this raw strength only once before. It didn't scare me enough then, it does now.
guillelon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:26:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks !!
IceClownFromIceTown ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:29:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No problem.
honestlyj ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:13:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They should have had peterson whacking everyone with a switch..
John_Rustle98 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:14:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I canโt wait for the inevitable โLooks like the Empire Strikes Backโ comments. This was an amazing trailer and Iโm more hyped for this movie than I was an hour ago.
archronin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:14:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't get any Halloween costume ideas.
PBandJellyJesus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:14:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Those AT-ATs tho...
sageleader ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:14:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What does Luke say he has seen before and scares him now? Ross trees?
ConorJay25 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:14:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I slap my moms ass
TheSenateJr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:14:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It didnโt scare me then... it does now
TheZooBoy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:14:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looks awesome! Glad it didn't seem to spoil anything. I can't wait!
wowthisiscooleo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:14:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
RIP Princess Leia
melancholiac_239 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:14:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ugh, too much!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:14:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Woah woah WOAH!!!! Jaw dropping good trailer!!!
JamesLLL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:14:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo's TIE and those icy foxes could get me to see the movie on their own.
scigs6 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:14:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In the beginning of the trailer I wonder what Kylo Ren was watching being constructed?
ASH503 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:15:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just want to point out something besides the spoilers/red herrings.
THE MUSIC WAS AMAZING, EVEN IF IT WAS JUST A TRAILER
RaskolnikovShotFirst ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:15:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Star Wars - Episode VIII: I Have a Bad Feeling About This
rocketpastsix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:15:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What is interesting to me is that they didnt allude to anything with Benicio Del Toro's character or the casino. That seems big.
piso_mojado ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:17:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They didnโt mention the briefcase full of drugs or a fire engine red convertible either.
phillythrone20 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:15:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
WHY DO OLD MAN RINKLY DUDES ALWAYS HAVE THE MOST POWER IN THIS FRANCHISE!?!?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:15:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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bothsidesofthestory ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:16:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought the same anything. Honestly hard to tell.
Prophet92 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:17:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My gut says fakeout.
tweeterpot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:15:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snoke is Jar Jar binks confirmed
iStrigoi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:15:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seems like Kylos scar is closing up throughout the movie? Beginning of the trailer we see some kind of fiber over the scar, but last scene itโs gone.
MrShago ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:15:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Home one no!
hulkulesenstein ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:15:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope the line about "not going to end the way you think" isn't that characters last line. Seems like they're down/defeated in that scene...
Unless, flashback?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:15:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So watch or no? I donโt mind minor spoilers but people are freaking out and the prod team literally said donโt watch if you are already going to see the film.
flamin_hot_keto ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:15:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Search your feelings
Cor-Kel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:16:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you watch it you should be fine. But stay off Reddit because they will diagnoseโ the ever living shit out of it.
e5390 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:15:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rylo CONFIRMED
jk021 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:15:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Now we just need the trailer for Spaceballs 2: The Search for More Money!
typocorrecto ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:15:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
YES!
itsjoho ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:15:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
OH PAPI CHULO
BalfazarTheWise ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:15:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dark saber definitely confirmed
Hstuckey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:17:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
?
BalfazarTheWise ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:19:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I meant by the cave which looked like dark red crystals. It's gotta show up in either this episode or next
redhead257 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:15:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can't wait it's gonna be a great movie!
GoalieJohnK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:15:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
OhMyGawd.
joedona1958 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:15:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Awesome shots and loved the music. Just donโt like how much they gave away(or seemed to have at the moment). Still extra hyped.
Jtneagle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:16:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So what was the spoiler
olddicklemon72 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:17:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Likely the implication that Ben kills Leia.
Jtneagle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:22:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They cut it before he does it, could easily have a change of heart. Also, Carrie Fischer is dead in real life, she won't appear in the next one whether she dies in this one or not
olddicklemon72 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:45:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What!?!
Jtneagle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:47:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope you're joking. You didn't know Carrie Fischer OD'd in December?
frdlt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:16:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Prediction: In ep. 5 darth asks, "Join me," and luke's like "NOOO." In ep. 8 rey asks, "Can I join?" and snoke's like๐
avocadont11 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:16:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ahhh my pretties. Speculate...SPECULATE
midnightmarket ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:16:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm still shaking
th_squirrel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:16:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh god I'm gonna hate the Porgs, aren't I?
cb75 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:17:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It feels like they're moving away from fan service alot more now
tbettz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:17:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know we saw his broken helmet in the teaser but now we see why/how itโs destroyed.
Kinda wish I didnโt spend all that money on a replica helmet for my Kylo Ren Halloween costume...
noshato ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:17:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just saw again.
thebasileus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:17:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snoke's lining up the decapitation test for Kylo like Palpatine did to Anakin.
mybigfatreddit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:17:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I yelled out "What the fuck!?" at the end. Scared my husband.
demusdesign ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:17:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When Snoke says "RAW..." did anyone else have Gollum flashbacks?
LandosFalcon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:17:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Whoa! Extra booster on that X-Wing! Poeโs feeling the need for speed!
RoboNinjaPirate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:17:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really need a version with subtitles so I can understand the Dialogue.
MusicalWrath ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:17:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yo that orange penguin thing, it's like part BB-8 part bird.
Shadesmctuba ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:17:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
YOU HAVENโT SEEN THE MOVIE YET. YOU DONโT KNOW IF ITโS A SPOILER OR NOT. Jeez.
zoomathurman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:17:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
PORG !!!
willismyname ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:18:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely think the Kylo/Leia moment is a misdirection, right before when he breaks the wall, Kylo has the same carbon fiber band-aid on his face. I think he might have the chance to do something, but doesn't and then gets angsty that he didn't.
Gasrim ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:18:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure that I'm happy with where I feel they're going with Luke.
Fragzilla360 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:19:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Youโre happy with it. waves hand
amrollz71 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:22:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm not.
I hope they are doing a very good job of fooling me about where is journey is going.
Wasnโt very impressed with the trailer either. TFA trailer was better IMO.
packardpa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:18:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Now it's time for weeks of speculation, woohoo!
theSchiller ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:18:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am so excited for the walkers!!!
spm201 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:18:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is Rian Johnson right? Is there a reason to skip this one?
RobertStyx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:18:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have a very strong suspicion that they going to kill both Luke and Leia.
whozurdaddy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:18:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Quick analysis... Kylo Ren sticking his had out to Rey at the end? That scar on his face isnt the same as whatever it is on his face when he is in the ship about to fire on Leia. Maybe the ending is just a dream sequence or something. Looks to me like Luke starts to train her but changes his mind, and maybe she talks to Kylo Ren through telepathy or something. Also, it looks like Luke never leaves the island...so seeing Luke kicking ass doesnt appear to be in the cards.
Cptcutter81 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:25:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lighting was way off, if it's actually that scene then it's terribly done. there were way too many points of light behind Kylo for there to be one tone on her face.
It's just bait.
tobeornottobeugly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:18:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looks dope
thegreaterfool714 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:18:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke looks genuinely fearful here. He looks so unnerved with Rey and I presume Kylo Ren.
HamQuestionMark ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:18:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did anyone notice the different facial scars on Kylo? Carbon fiber covers while flying the space ship, but regular when talking to Rey.
chugadaCheese ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:19:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Calm down calm down. I'm sure there's lots of misdirection in this trailer......at least I hope.
Exandrus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:19:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"It does now."
Fucking CHILLS.
Sentry459 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:19:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wonderful!
Kenobi-On-Degobah ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:19:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Before I watch, can someone who has seen it please give an idea of how spoilerific the trailer is? Canโt decide if I want to watch it or save myself for the film!
Krauser_Kahn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:20:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think in a 1 to 10 spoilery scale I'd give it a 4
b_dills ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:20:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wish I hadn't seen it. However I imagine it's gonna be impossible to avoid it if you watch tv or go to any movies.
ZebZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:23:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lots of implications that are most certainly misdirection.
Me_Gusta_Tortugas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:19:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What was that creature? love it.
ZebZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:22:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The porg? Or the fox thing?
Me_Gusta_Tortugas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:33:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The porg itโs so damn cute!
MakVolci ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:19:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For all the talk about Luke being bad, he seems to be the only one in the trailer that I know is good. But that could be a misdirection too. I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO BELIEVE.
Fratboy37 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:19:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Something in me has awakened".
I hope this hits home the point to all the people complaining about how "Muh Rey was too OP" and Rey was too untrained to be able to pull off the things she did. That is literally the entire point. The Force Awakens is in reference to Rey's powers awakening to a supreme, potentially terrifying new level.
skategate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:19:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HOOOOOLY CRAP. "I need someone to show me my place in all of this."
Chills. Actual, literal chills.
deftPirate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:44:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm really not sure how to feel about that line.
MeanSurray ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:19:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I said it before I will say it again: REY WILL TURN TO THE DARK SIDE AND CUTS LUKEโS ARM OFF
dagnummit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:19:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
GODDAMMIT I CANNOT TAKE IT IF KYLO KILLS BOTH HAN AND LEIA
dengarbh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:20:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lucasfilm knows how to score a damn trailer man.
CU_09 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:20:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
PORG HYPE TRAIN!!!
pidray ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:20:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
is 1:56 the planet i think it is?
SaintBernerd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:20:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why pick the Twitter link?
JohnnyLeeTravolta ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:20:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They tell you they are tricking us. The movie " isn't going to go how you think"
Drazen44 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:20:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Would love to see Rey actually turn to the dark side. And no more Death Stars, please.
turtlesbaconpie ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:23:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
no the death star is next movie. this one is about force training and battle on an ice planet
JaberJaws ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:39:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds.... Familiar....
EckhartsLadder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:20:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit. So much to unpack here. I'm loving the space scenes.
BombaFett ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:20:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is it me or did they change the lightsaber fx back to the original???
Iseden ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:26:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They did and it looks so much better.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:20:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think we may get a Luke SKywalker very different than what we've all been expecting for the ST
Kherro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:20:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That was amazing! Now to stitch the teaser and the trailer together as best we can...
IntentStudios ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:20:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, Chewie looked amazing!!
semajvc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:20:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who is Luke talking about when he says โIโve seen this strength before, and I wasnโt scared but I am nowโ Vader or Palpatine?
TheDoubleDecker ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:21:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo
WoodburyKing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:20:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't watch.. Should I watch?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:20:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Watched this. Loved it. Still only have vague ideas about what to expect!
randomsnark ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:21:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In light of the director's comments about not watching this trailer if you want to go in completely clean, can anyone who's watched it weigh in on how spoilery it is?
It sounded like he might be saying "It's not a big deal, but avoid it if you're a purist", in which case I'm fine with watching it, but I'd like to hear thoughts from people who've watched it.
eatmymonkey ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:34:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are lots of things i never expected to see but honestly i think it's all misdirection to be honest. It's also one of the best movie trailers i've ever seen and possibly the best Star Wars trailer ever. I wouldn't worry too much plus there's another two months until the film is out anyway.
randomsnark ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:39:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fair enough. I sort of expect it will be impossible to avoid the trailer and/or mention of the things in it anyway, unless I start living under a rock. Thanks for the reply :)
Edit: Yeah having watched it now I feel like there's nothing in there that is a spoiler, assuming you take the way trailers are cut together with a grain of salt. No single shot contains a crazy reveal I wish was saved for the theater.
eatmymonkey ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:54:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Glad you enjoyed it. I know i did.
bill2401 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:39:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a bit spoilery. One major thing at the end which is so spoilery that I'm almost certain it's just misdirection.
nwbradsher ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:21:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because of Force Awakens, I went into the trailer looking for Empire similarities.
So far as I can tell there are two major similarities suggested:
The first seems like clear misdirection, but the second seems pretty much a given, right down to an outreached hand that seems to say "Join me."
Also, I love seeing Rey's main character flaw develop, this compulsive need for guidance which stems from her parents' disappearance. We saw her get burned with Han, so the thing with Luke is JUST enough to suggest she might actually be tempted.
DaTruestEva ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:21:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HOLY CRAP!!!!! THAT WAS AMAZING!!!!! So much to take it! First off, I don't think that Rey is actually talking to Kylo at the end, but rather Luke. So interesting that Rey and Snoke will meet in person. Wonder what Luke is talking about when he says he's only ever seen this kind of raw power once before. Could Rey actually be the Chosen One reincarnated??
AnakinShitposter ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:24:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It seems like he's talking about Kylo, right?
Prophet92 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:27:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or descended from someone powerful, like a previous Sith Lord that Snoke would have trained under.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:21:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Winrar
Lefty_22 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:21:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
NOW ACCEPTING: Theories for the cliffhanger of the last installment!
STEP ON UP! NO THEORY WILL BE TURNED AWAY!
Thor_2099 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:22:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's Kylo trying to tempt her to join him by telling her Luke is her father but he lied to her.
Prophet92 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:26:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rey and Kylo reject their respective masters and decide, independently, to train in both sides of the force. The last scene of the trailer is a misdirection but points at where we are going to end up, with both of them headed towards the same point. Whether they team up in this film or the next I'm not sure, but I have a feeling they are both going to end up working together to fully understand the force in the end.
eatmymonkey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:30:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At the end of the trailer. Snoke is talking to Luke.
AtomicVGZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:32:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rey is the actual bad guy.
Tossablesalad22 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:21:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok but how good was the intro to that musical score
Thor_2099 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:21:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One thing I love about this trailer is we have the idea about some of the pieces but not much of a clue on the overall story. Love it.
Lord_Sylveon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:21:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kind of wish I didn't watch this trailer. They showed way way way too much for my liking. But god does it look amazing
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:21:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aaannnd now I want Rey to be seduced by the dark side and Kylo to learn the error in his ways and be pulled back to the light, ya know pull a switcharoo
MrDeeds117 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:22:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What do I even say, that's incredible
Sugarblood83 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:22:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This went almost exactly how a disgruntled marketing guy said it would in a leak.
Mooseymoose32 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:22:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
THE PORGS
onebadhorse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:22:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So.... Kylo already turns to the light during this movie?
DERPorDIE ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:22:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
WUT????
Mexican_Holster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:22:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
O_O
THELEERER ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:22:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That Phasma / Finn scene tho.
twerkmileyyy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:22:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Send help! I canโt stop watching it.
LeonOfLight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:23:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder why Kylo Ren doesn't have that scar covering thing in the final scene when he extends his arm to Rey...
deftPirate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:36:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Might just be a recovery tool he doesn't need anymore.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:23:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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sageleader ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:25:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's not it's a Z6 riot control baton
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:23:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh I hope we get a Luke lightsaber fight.
BlarpUM ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:23:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The AT-ATs had fist feet.
softestbuns ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:23:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The song that plays as Rey is cracking the ground sounds very similar to something from The Force Unleashed. Is it from another Star Wars movie or should I get excited about OP force powers?
TristinTargaryen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:52:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
OMG it does sound very similar doesn't it...
TheDangiestSlad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:24:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i bet the handshake scene is gonna be a really complex one
Kylo gets frustrated with Snoke and wants to join Luke
meanwhile, Rey gets frustrated with Luke and wants to join Snoke
so when they meet and do the handshake, they both think they're switching sides when in reality, idk what happens but it would be sick
Mattw242 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:24:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So many new critters for merchandise
nsj23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:24:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
R.I.P Carrie Fisher. OMG I had a tear or two swell up.
llamadoomrider ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:24:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
wtf is that weird animal
bionix90 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:33:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Porg aka New Merch for this Holiday season.
llamadoomrider ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:33:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course
ZebZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:35:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Porg
sologreedo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:25:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm thinking that scene at the end with Rey and Kylo is a dream sequence or vision of Luke's. Would explain the difference in scars.
snoozeflu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:25:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy fuck, now I've heard everything.
pethcir ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:27:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait what. I thought Luke meant that Rey is as powerful as his father was.
jayjaymore ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:25:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like I'm in the minority because I actually didn't really like this trailer. I liked the first one better, but I do know I like a little subtly more than everything kind of being thrown at me. I dunno, I felt like this trailer was really pushing something at me.
It was okay.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:36:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm with you. Felt the first was much better
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:25:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At-At porn!
bionix90 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:30:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No exceptions!
MtfbwyAlways ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:25:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I almost hope Kylo becomes ultimately hated by killing Leia
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:35:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you think weโd then still have to deal with theories about him redeeming himself?
MtfbwyAlways ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:37:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let's be real those will never end lol can't we just have a bad guy that we hate but we feel sorry for ? Idk I mean I wouldn't be mad if he redeemed himself but I don't necessarily want it
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:39:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bro, Disney. Kylo killed his dad. Ainโt no redemption after that
SupaReagan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:25:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That bird doe
bionix90 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:29:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Porg aka Merchandising.
boomboxpinata ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:25:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the hand picking up kylos sabre is lukes...calling it
Schwarzeneggerowns ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:25:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Now I think I over invested into the trailer as I am not blown away, But I got my Thursday tickets and me and father in law Star Wars tradition continues.
son_of_noah ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:25:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looks absolutely incredible, but I feel like a lot of red herrings here, don't think Rey is asking Kylo for help or anything. I'm done watching trailers till the movie come out ๐
KingofMadeupVille ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:26:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
PENGUIN GERBIL!
Oriolebird9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:26:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's a lot of comments
OhRatFarts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:26:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, Rey... :(
scroopy_nooperz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:26:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Loving the amount of red, something satisfying about it
masoe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:31:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the fact that White and Red are the primary focus on the poster and trailer ... I think you can actually say bye bye to the classic Jedi...
el_f3n1x187 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:26:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
wait wait wait, is he afraid or not, god damn broken english I need additional lessons.....
masoe ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:30:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's very afraid.
EzzenTv ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:32:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He wasn't scared. Now he is.
That is what he says in the trailer at least
el_f3n1x187 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:52:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
well fuck :(
Cougah ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:27:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope the media or just people at the stadium were able to get some cool high quality shots of the Stormtroopers on the field!
otivito ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:27:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
WHAT THE FORCE!?
ProfessorDerp22 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:27:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hope we get some Knights of Ren action this film.
CANTSTOPYODELING ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:28:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
reaction
Glarbluk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:28:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So can we pretty much all agree Luke dies after seeing this trailer?
Realsorceror ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:38:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean the trailer was cool and all but I don't think it would kill him.
Hubers57 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:39:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No
KingofMadeupVille ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:29:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And beyond that?
GORGON!
dizacht ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:29:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Disney with the insane jukes. I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO BELIEVE
Sincerely-a-bookworm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:29:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aaa, it looks so nice, but there's something about the sound or how they're speaking and I can't understand most of what's said (hearing impaired). I hope subtitles get added soon ;;
canadianbroncos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:30:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So how spoilery ? For a guy that doesnt really care for spoilers ?
masoe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:34:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not spoilery IMO...I think it shows an open box of puzzle pieces to the plot. It's up to you how you want to piece it together.
Hubers57 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:38:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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bush3102 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:30:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think that a lot of the plot will be around Luke Skywalker. Enough for JJ Abrams thinks Mark Hamill will win an Oscar for The Last Jedi
Also, I wonder how long it will take for Pornhub to publish their stats for how their traffic went down when the trailer became online.
Theophorus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:30:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure I saw a few nebulon b's and Mon Calamari cruisers in that space fight.
IIDennis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:30:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HOLY FUCK!!!!
goodfreeman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:30:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"For Phil."
uziair ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:30:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
rey is superman
JediJofis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:30:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously though, what the blue hell is up with that damn bird
fivebillionproud ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:30:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AT-ST's in the hanger!
CaptAmerica42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:31:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ive got so many questions I dont even know where to start.
Im so excited!
Musicki ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:31:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
PORGS!!!!! WOOHOO! I bought a Funko of one and now I'm ready to see them in action!
fj9002 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:31:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Need/want screen shot of adorable white fox like creature! Send now go! It's an emergency!
offbelmont_el ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:31:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who is that at 1:48?
seb2110 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:32:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I AM SO FUCKING HYPED RIGHT NOW HOLY SHIT!
aLLkiss_ismyname ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:33:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We saw AT-ST twise in the trailer!
And holy shit that was hype.
lost-genius ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:34:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Damn, the intensity in this trailer was captured so well. Feels like more of a story and character development than the Force Awakens - not trashing TFA, just felt like there were too many nods to ANH and not enough of it's own movie.
CryingEagle626 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:35:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For Phil!
opthomas_primal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:35:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As someone who is trying not to watch the trailer, can someone give minor details about the trailer?
Doright36 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:41:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pew pew pew... NOOO! BOOM.. OMG!!! pew pew... VROOOM VROOM.. PEW PEW PEW...
MakVolci ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:38:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It looks like Luke decides to train Rey who catches on a bit too well. Kylo is still up to his evil doings. Poe has an idea of how to crush the First Order. Finn looks like he has a climatic encounter during his own adventure. Rey seems to be torn.
IntentStudios ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:35:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My reaction to the trailer!!
stretchxray ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:35:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo's firing button is spring loaded like a ball point pen.
Therottobot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:36:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well that was amazingggg - and a bit spoilery. I know too much about Star Wars.
Bundon5300 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:36:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
With the last scene of the trailer Iโm thinking Spoilers for trailer
Hajikm-26 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:36:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We have Star Wars universes version of Direwolves. Fucking Ice Wolves man. Holy Crap. Snoke using his powers? Yo. Finn vs Phasma? We're actually getting a fight we should have gotten in the last one? By the Gods the creators DO listen to fan service. Luke sounds weird as hell and I love it.
Is Kylo gonna kill Mummy? Or is she gonna die off-screen? My money is on Leia actually dying by the end of this and revealing she was never coming back in IX. That's only if she dies onscreen. Offscreen and yeh, the wonders of technical magic and editing and visual effects.
This trailer was awesome. The whole feel is different. It doesn't feel like a Star Wars movie at all. It feel unique and new. The atmosphere and cinematography all around is just cool.
Thor_2099 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:41:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trailer definitely has an epic feel to it. I'm going to enjoy the long agonizing wait until release as this is my favorite part of the hype.
Darth_Picard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:36:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't watched it yet because of Rian Johnson and someone else telling me the trailer reveals too much. Can someone tell me whether the trailer is too revealing of the plot?
jonsnowme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:37:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you donโt think itโs misdirection, which I do, then yes.
Ps. I say this regretting not having the will power to not watch, I tried.
-BMP- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:37:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think there is a lot of misdirection. But could also be a ton of spoilers. I think itโs worth watching. Amazing trailer.
EzzenTv ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:51:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It reveals a lot but leaves a lot unanswered. We will probably end up with a thousand theories that will all be wrong. But there is still plenty of things that you wont truly know until the movie.
fender0327 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:37:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder if Luke doesn't really help her. Like he does to am extent but then kind of refuses to join with her. At that point, she'll lose her path and go to the dark side (temporarily).
Chipman94 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:37:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did Kylo Ren get a new lightsaber?
TheHumanSpider ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:37:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It looks like it just has a new coat of paint.
Chipman94 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:46:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe, it looks a bit cleaned up.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:37:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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BenSolo12345 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:41:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He still sounds like Luke, to me. Older, but still Luke. Not at all unrecognizable like Leia.
THE_PANDAMIC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:38:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck Iโm so excited! Were those modified AT-ATs?
TiedHands ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:38:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's eerie how everything from this looks like they knew it would be Carrie's last movie somehow.
drunkensantaclaus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:38:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone think Rey and Luke fight? From the scene I saw at the end where Rey is standing across from luke. and then when heโs saying โthis wont end how you thinkโ he is in the same area wearing the same cloak. Maybe he tries to destroy Rey before she can be seduced by the dark side? Or itโs a dark side Luke vision?
vhiran ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:51:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
imagine if luke went to immediately take on the emperor after hanging around yoda for a little while.
MuscularHaiku ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:39:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke talking to the force ghosts when heโs talking a bout being scared of the power???? (One can hope)
DarthJoker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:39:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This has brought peace, love, and excitement to my new life.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:39:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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vhiran ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:48:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
if he didn't han's sacrifice would have been completely pointless anyway.
vhiran ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:49:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
if he didn't han's sacrifice would have been completely pointless anyway.
puckslut ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:39:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wild speculation commence!
JumanJoker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:39:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm crying and smiling at the same time I donโt know what to do with my emotions over here
xobybr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:40:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What the fuck
what the FUCK
WHAT THE FUCK
spdz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:40:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke is looking so out of axis, dark and frustrated...
Ralph-Hinkley ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:40:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The X-Wing with the huge thruster on the back, what's that about?
RiseoftheTrumpwaffen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:45:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Too Fast Too Furious crossover
connorstory97 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:16:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
2 fast 2 furious*
Iโll see myself out
RiseoftheTrumpwaffen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:17:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Danger to Manifold.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:40:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
THE SENATE RETURNS..../s
Xerosnake90 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:40:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh my gooooood. I cannot wait
kevonicus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:41:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Twitter link. Gross
Kilmonjaro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:41:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We still donโt know the First order equivalent of the AT-ST yet! I want to know! Haha
benoderpity ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:43:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think we can see some AT-ST variant in the first shot of Kylo overlooking the factory-looking thing.
Kilmonjaro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:44:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can barely see them but they look interesting!
EarthlyAwakening ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:41:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For some reason neither this or the Justice League trailer showed up in my recommended.
TheBen91 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:41:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Now thatโs what I call plot twisting!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:41:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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BlackGhostPanda ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:46:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I figured luke being under something waa after Ben went rogue and destroyed the knew jedi temple with luke in it
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:41:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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bionix90 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:46:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, that would be the tits but there's no way they could explain his story in this movie.
GermFreeCloth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:41:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I watched it once and now im going to avoid all trailers, sneak peaks, leaks, anything until the movie comes out. Not even going to re watch the trailer.
hakoreh1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:41:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I don't want any major spoilers do I watch the trailer?
BigBirdJRB ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:43:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At first glance there are huge spoilers. That being said I am sure that they are fake outs given how huge the would be to the plot
SwagSwagRIPTupac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:41:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Chewie doesnโt look right to me.
connorstory97 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:17:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I thought the same.
MrFussy1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:42:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love how Reys lightsaber wave sounds were in time with the music
wydok ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:42:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you haven't watched it yet, maybe you shouldn't. Some plot point spoilers.
But I'm not sure everything is as it seems.
Chicken_Fingers777 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:42:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Idk why, but I get lord of the rings vibes from this trailer
dwmfives ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:42:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck your twitter link.
DDRDiesel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:42:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Minor spoilers for those worried, but a lot of it feels like misdirection and fake-outs. Good look at Snoke, the new walkers, and Kylo's TIE in action, but take every scene and voiceover with a grain of salt
Evancurtis9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:42:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Still absolutely nothing from Rose and DJ (new characters)
JanMichaelVincent16 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:42:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Steve Yedlin is a God.
kmoros ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:42:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My onnnnly concern is the ESB parallels.
Rey looks gung ho bout going to fight snoke/kylo while luke seems to be saying "no stupid you arent gonna win".
...a la luke and yoda in ESB.
Hope thats misdirection and this branches off from ESB.
vhiran ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:44:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well at least we know what would have happened if Luke immediately went to face off against the emperor after hanging around yoda for a little bit in ESB.
just a terrible idea. I guess Kylo may very well be the last jedi if he returns to the light.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:45:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not going to. They are remaking the original trilogy.
kmoros ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:51:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Given his prior work Id like to think Rian Johnson is gonna subvert expectations. Buy disney may have him on a tight leash
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:07:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was a little taken back by the trailer. There is a huge battle on a barren planet with giant walkers. The Rebels need a new base after the planets were destroyed. Rey leaves her master to fight some battle she isn't ready for yet. Much in the same way Luke left Yoda before he was able to finish his training. We are even introduced to Snoke little by little the same way The Emperor was introduced. If we go back to Cloud City to discover where this light saber came from, I might lose my mind.
I'm not saying it's going to be a total remake, but based on what I saw in the trailer, it's going to be the Empire Strikes Back 2. It's going to be awesome. But it's going to be as similar to ESB as TFA was to ANH. I really hope it's more original than what they were showing us.
Red_coats ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:43:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't see where people are saying Finn is using a lightsaber I only see him using the electrobaton from TFA.
vhiran ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:43:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
that's because he is. anyone who says he is using a lightsaber is high.
cloudnyne ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:43:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My body is ready...
ZenGrayJedi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:43:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You choose a dvd for tonight
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:43:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
RAW POWER
ComicCroc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:43:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ending with Kylo and Rey is obviously a red herring, but I;m not sure what for... Are we supposed to be thinking that Rey is turning to the dark side, or that Kylo is turning to the light side? I expected that to happen in ep 9.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:43:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rian, that trailer wasn't very spoilery at all!
GreenHero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:44:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
MARK HAMIL SAID DON'T WATCH THE TRAILERS!
Crazyripps ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:44:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yay new lines for mark! Looks so good.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:44:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right we see Ben holding out his hand to who we assume is rey, possible. Lets get the timeline down in terms of events. During the scene where we see the Silencer attacking what I assume is Home One, i mean come on he's talking about the past and to kill it; while this could be referencing the obvious Leia being on the ship. Now When it shows Ben in the ship he has a type of tape over his scar probably some type of bandage; later we see him without it. Now we know that the film will be beginning immediately where TFA left off we can say that the scene with the bandage and Silencer takes place Really early in the film. While Ben holding his hand out takes place mid to late film. Now, we see look breaking out of rubble as he states hes seen this power before and it didn't scare him, but now it does; this could allude to Ben falling and destroying his Academy so hence why he is afraid of that power now. Maybe with his hand breaking through rubble it could be a flashback to the academy's destruction or could be part of an actual fight scene.
jarstandaly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:44:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man I love the way Rey's light saber makes it's swinging sound to the trailer's soundtrack!!
ExcitablePancake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:45:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Guess I better watch the previous 2 movies then.
Dom_24 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:45:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looks fuggin awesome! Can't wait to see it!
threetogetready ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:45:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
RAWWWW POWERRRR
ZeneticX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:45:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone spot the SSD in the background during the space fight @ 1:12
Metaphysics12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:45:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone is suspecting that Kylo joins Rey, but KYLO is the one holding out the hand.
Rey to the dark side?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:46:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Awesome trailer. It didn't really spoil anything, they could easily be misleading us with some of these scenes
Slamboni12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:46:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The scar is healed up over time like Finns body. I wonder what amount of time passes...
Chipman94 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:46:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love the dude just walking by in the background at 1:16. Looks like some guy just put on a jacket and walked on set during filming.
greengo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:46:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Does the preview give away a lot? I don't want to watch it if so.
jpaulogf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:46:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have a bad feeling about if Rian Johnson blow up everything
kaptainkracker1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:46:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So much misdirection. Pretty sure Rian Johnson's comment was itself a marketing ploy to make you believe there were spoilers.
Darth_Stonewall ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:46:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone says Luke will die, maybe Rey will and Poe or Finn is force sensitive
Film_Director ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:47:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup pretty much sums up my face. https://twitter.com/mjgwrites/status/917577510979645440
Die4Ever ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:47:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
is there a 4k version anywhere?
IFearNoRecyclingBin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:47:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Please no more Death Stars .. plzzzz
TLhikan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:48:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Theory: Kylo is sent to blow up Leia's ship, targets her, hesitates, someone else swoops in and makes the kill shot.
Esquier16 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:48:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ID on the symbol at :53?
closetothesilence ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:48:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's always a bigger fish...
danajamesjones ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:48:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think a trailer has ever legitimately made me tear up but that sequence when Kylo is about to kill Leia got me so hard. I'm so excited for this movie AND I was lucky enough to get my IMAX tickets. Can't wait!
ExacRan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:49:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And that's how kylo ren lost his hand.
Toolspaper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:49:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"The good movie trailer this year" starter pack
arielzao150 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:50:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So I'm not watching trailers anymore. Without any spoilers, what do you have to say about this new trailer?
ayyitsjameslmao ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:00:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looks very ESB-y, lots of editing misdirection, just go watch the movie lol
johndelvec3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:14:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One thing to think about is if there truly is spoilers in a trailer, you won't 100% know until you see the movie
arielzao150 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:20:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, I will not watch the trailer, I just want to know what you guys are thinking about the movie after watching the trailer, wothout telling me what th trailer had. Are you more hyped? Less hyped? Worried? That kind of thing.
johndelvec3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:22:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hype train level: full steam ahead
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:52:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
so goood.
RoboModeTrip ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:53:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love the 480p twitter quality.
DrunkM0nkey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:53:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Whatever happened to Benicio Del Toro's character?
johndelvec3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:04:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Low key is it possible he's the one leading the storm troopers in that one scene?
DrunkM0nkey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:43:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wasn't he rumored way back to be Kylo Ren's teacher tho?
johndelvec3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:46:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't that snoke?
DrunkM0nkey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:51:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No it was snoke was the emperor type figure and Benicio was the next in command, who also happens to be a sith type. It was originally speculated that in TFA when Snoke told Kylo it was time to finish his training, that it would be with benicio's character
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:53:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel you. I do want them to make him a bigger player in the Resistance. He seemed like kind of a lucky loser in 7, when he should be a total badass.
ClutchCobra ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:55:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yo what the FUCK was the END im SO EXICTED
cramdizzl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:25:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo doesn't have a huge lightsaber scar in that last scene.
Merengues_1945 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:56:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck, that was a mistake. Should have listened to Rian's advice.
AnakinShitposter ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:11:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Young fool, only now, at the end, do you understand.
Merengues_1945 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:30:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Worst part is that on one side I'm now hyper hyped, so now the wait is even worse, and it'll be even worse with my mind going into intense speculation mode.
Himalayanoutbacks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:56:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did that Kylo-Rey interaction try to show Kylo Ren adopting a dark side apprentice or Rey and Ren saying fuck the rules letโs do whatโs right?
Confuzed
vhiran ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:58:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
by the end of the movie kylo is actually the last jedi
MouthFartWankMotion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:56:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jfhajzjggfjdhfkdljfoyfhdydjvjcsfagxohfysf!!!!
Starkiller32 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:57:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm really hoping that there are a lot of misdirections in this trailer. Also, that Kylo/Leia scene had me feeling all types of emotions.
Tyler-Walter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:57:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
OMG. I can sense that Rey's going to be on The Dark Side of the Force. She has more powerful force than Kylo, Snoke want's her to lead his group.
wiwtft ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:57:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Chills when it is moving back and forth between Kylo and Leia
cassiopieces ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:57:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The initial shot of Kylo standing in the bridge of that ship in what looked like some kind of shipyard was awesome. As well as, the shot of his shuttle hovering over the Gorilla Walkers.
DawnSennin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:58:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where's Rose?
davideverlong ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:58:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Chills
WillowSmithsBFF ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:59:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think Luke is talking about himself with the โthis power didnโt scare me beforeโ line
Slice_of_Chez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:00:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Coming out on my birthday gonna be sick!
forkness ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:02:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You better not be sick; wouldn't wanna miss this movie
Slice_of_Chez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:04:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ahhhh you got me
WeylandCorp4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:01:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So long as its not ESB 2.0 I'll be good, other than the walkers clip it seems like they're being original
impr0mptu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:01:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Was that luke climbing out of burning wreckage? Or someone else we all know?
Fragzilla360 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:11:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah it was Luke.
bionix90 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:17:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke after Ben burning down his original Jedi Temple and killed/converted to Knights of Ren his other students, leaving Luke for dead.
TheExile4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:01:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder which scenes are legitimate spoilers and which ones are just misdirections. Surely they can't all be misdirections.
So damn excited right now. December can't come soon enough!
Coldspark824 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:02:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So...what do people think about Kylo having a fiberglass patch on his face half the trailer, then not at the end?
Is it a bandage or something he has applied later?
polyisextra ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:02:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Those Logan brothers just can't stay out of trouble!
icouldbesurfing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:02:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Crazy theory: I think Snoke is talking to Kylo about Rey in the beginning of the trailer. He orders Kylo to bring Rey to him. Kylo is pissed because he is being passed up because Snoke tells him his past is still holding him back, hence the need to kill Leia, etc. He won't be able to do it and he'll realize he isn't capable to letting go of all ties. Coincidentally, Luke refuses to train Rey, she leaves to go back to the Resistance. Gets caught or willingly goes. Rey gets seduced by the Dark Side. Kylo escapes with his life, realizes he was being used. Pt. 3: Redemption. Rey vs. Kylo and The Knights of Ren.
zidapi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:02:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Supreme Leader Deadpool confirmed.
_Levitated_Shield_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:03:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"The Last Jedi" now has a whole new meaning.
patio87 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:03:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm really going to fucking hate these movies if they screw up with Luke.
for_the_revolution ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:14:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What do you define as screwing up Luke?
mattbrw08 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:04:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
wow.
Toast_Sandwich ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:04:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Jedi Steps soundtrack sounds amazing.
deep_space_cloud ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:04:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aww shucks
GetReady4Action ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:05:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are those Death Troopers in the hanger???
lorthic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:06:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Always exciting. Let's see what turns up!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:06:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I came
InnerMaverick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:24:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So will Kylo ;)
Jblack2236 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:07:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am your cousins brothers best friends sons sisters father.
RiseoftheTrumpwaffen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:14:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You forgot former roommate.
brandonorlowski ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:09:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What does that make us?
jonlorusso ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:20:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely nothing
Darth_Cindros ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:22:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely nothing! Which is what you are about to become. Prepare to die.
RiseoftheTrumpwaffen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:08:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In reality this isnโt a rehash of Empire but Godfather 2.
HobomanZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:08:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In the first shot, I legit thought it was showing Anakin. Took me a bit to realize I was looking at Kylo.
HellTrain72 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:08:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd just like to point out how cool the rhythm of the score and saber swirls synced and concluded with the saber stopping at the stone.
pfcfillmore ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:09:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stop giving links to fucking Twitter and just a link to the God damn YouTube. For fuck sake.
eharper9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:09:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Does that rock look like that because of the saber or is it naturally like that?
Fragzilla360 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:17:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Both
FragRaptor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:09:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Darth Rey?
Darth_Stonewall ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:12:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Darth Zena it's Croatian for female
FragRaptor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:20:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even better.
J0nnyGreenGiant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:09:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Does Disney have the balls to do it ?
WilsonTheBoarfish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:10:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Getting serious Empire Strikes Back vibes from the AT-ATs and the master & apprentice training session. Don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing.
Fragzilla360 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:15:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Depends on how the movie shakes out after you have seen the whole thing and had some time to reflect upon it.
cramdizzl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:10:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Appears to be red guards in Snoke's throne room.
prince_of_cannock ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:11:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Loved the trailer! CANNOT WAIT!
SpectreFire ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:11:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are those Gallofree transports good for anything besides blowing up?
SheepCloner ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:11:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously though, How does Kylo get his helmet back? I was expecting it to be gone with star killer base.
the_fuego ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:12:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably his helmet for Tuesday's.
Fragzilla360 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:29:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He wears a top hat ๐ฉ on Thursdays and Friday is dress down day.
Fragzilla360 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:13:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He has a suitcase under his bed filled with helmets and scary robes.
bionix90 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:13:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Replacement helmet. In any case, it looks like he's going helmetless moving forward.
PORTMANTEAU-BOT ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:13:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Replacelmet.
Bleep-bloop, I'm a bot. This portmanteau was created from the phrase 'Replacement helmet.'.
InnerMaverick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:19:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good bot
SheepCloner ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:32:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looks beat up and old, but I guess if he's going to slam it against the wall like that...
Menospan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:12:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FOR PHIL
pussyonapedestal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:12:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit that fandango website is major fucking ear rape. Make sure to mute the tab if you don't want to get your ears blasted.
DFxVader ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:13:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Spoilers much
SewItAlly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:13:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gtfo this looks so good
jwaldo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:14:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everybody keeps talking about Ice Foxes when they're CLEARLY Gypsum Lynxes. Y'all need to brush up on your animal-mineral hybrids.
rikjames90 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:14:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i've been replaying knights of the old republic 2. theres alot of talk about last jedi's. i feel it appropriate to name my character rey but then again, it's only fun to do sith shit.
Jbird_87 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:14:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
67 days...
connorstory97 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:15:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For all those complaining and predicting there will be ESB parallels. I really donโt think Rian Johnson would blatantly do that. I understand with the Jedi training and the walkers itโs hard to argue against it, but he just doesnโt seem like the type of filmmaker to rehash ESB. Especially with the backlash from TFA
myhihi1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:15:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't expect Kylo would be hunting down his mother, that's pretty dark for Star Wars. I mean we know what he did last movie but that was in the moment and he didn't go out of his way to do it.
TCanada808 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:15:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah yes, I see
I understand none of this
evenios ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:16:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i like the line "this is not going to go the way you think".. he didnt break the 4th wall then did he ;-). (though it would been more effective that way if he was looking at the camera when saying so) lol
Infinite_Otaku ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:16:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thrawn?
smartysmarts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:16:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"FOR PHIL" Who the fuck is phil? "YOUR DESTINY" oh ok
beefy87 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:17:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Knuckle dragging AT AT's niceee
RiotSucksEggs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:17:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did anyone else hear the Master Eraqus Mark Hamill when he said "this is not gonna go the way you think?"
anomaly_xb-6783746 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:17:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interestingly I don't recall seeing anything from Canto Bight in this trailer, which has been a rather large percentage of what we knew about VIII up to this point.
GrandZebraCrew ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:52:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes and no Benicio Del Toro or some of the other new characters. Sticking to the ones from TFA it seems.
for_the_revolution ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:18:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My theory: Kylo Ren and Rey join forces, away from Snoke and Luke. They start a new faction of the force.
Fragzilla360 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:22:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jedi Adjuncts
allmilhouse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:30:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Making Luke the last Jedi.
for_the_revolution ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:35:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
eeeeeeeexactly
cassiopieces ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:18:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think Snoke is talking about Rey in the beginning when he says, "...and beyond that I saw something truly special."
Fragzilla360 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:21:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Heโs talking to Kylie Ren
j0llypenguins ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:19:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I liked that shot of Kylo picking up his saber. Kinda like an iPhone commerical or something.
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Fragzilla360 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:20:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No
SaysKawaiiSometimes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:19:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So how long until Kylo Ren has to take down his extended family to be a better Sith?
olddicklemon72 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:59:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Confirmed: Kylo is Michael Myers
KillaOR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:19:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My potential theory on how this all turns out.
Luke hasnt felt that kindof power since he attempted to train Kylo, the hand reaching up out of the flames is Luke when Kylo tried to kill him and all the others he was training and what not, Luke is gonna be scared to train Rey, this fear will turn to anger in some way, Rey will get angry because luke will be hesistant to train him, she will go seeking answers and find snoke who is more than willing to convert her, ben will be not happy with the answers he finds, both on his personal journey and the journey to be more like vader, and he will turn to his own sort of good side, and him and rey will have a big fight and he will turn her back to the good side, because either Rey joins snoke unwillingly or willingly for a short period (maybe she gets her mind confused idk), and then the movie will end, and the last movie will be all about destroying snoke and rey and kylo will get happily married and boom it's all ogre BAM
JaytheChou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:20:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo does not have his black bandaid on his face in the last scene with rey? Is this scene a dream?
moosemanjonny ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:43:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or enough time has passed for him to heal.
MattRaybin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:20:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Whenever TFA came out, I had a theory that Rey & Kylo Ren could either swap places or Rey would be swayed by the dark side. This trailer is probably 90% misdirection since Luke himself says โthis wonโt end like you thinkโ but I have to admit itโd be incredible to see Disney take such a huge narrative & character risk.
They already proved with Rogue One that theyโre capable of gutsy endings and twists so itโd be amazing to see them really smash the mold of films like this and take it in a direction no one expects. Maybe Iโm being too optimistic but still.
ovodbo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:21:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I bet โthe last jediโ refers to Rey and Kylo.
Papa_Razzi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:22:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not crying, you're crying.
hipsterunderwear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:22:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did the soundtrack have a hint of "Battle of the Heroes" from RotS when Rey was talking to Kylo?
Itch_the_ditch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:22:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I get so misty eye whenever that music comes on....
bro_b1_kenobi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:25:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone else think Kylo in the beginning shot give you a real ROTJ Luke vibe?
19DanTheMan92 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:25:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
God I love starwars
cedricmordrin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:25:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I met that porg clip as a gif
supersaiyandragons ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:27:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know what's going to happen, but that's good and I'm hype
executeorder666999 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:28:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The very last moments had me screaming
Callahandy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:29:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
SO MANY QUESTIONS
Crustaceans_lol ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:29:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finn seems to be wearing some sort of uniform? It seems like something a First Order officer wears.
TheRealDarrenLee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:30:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo Ren is fully engulfed with the Dark Side, about to strike down another main character this time without hesitation when suddenly thereโs a blinding flash of light...
None other than Anakin Skywalker appears before him, giving a stark warning of the path heโs on before Anakinโs Ghost painfully transforms into Darth Vader (like TFA concept)
Kylo Ren stands there in disbelief, unable to process what just occurred and in this split second of hesitation the heroes to narrowly escape. End of film
Stealthcutter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:31:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iโll leave this hear for others who might have missed some things...
Opening dialogue, presumably Snoke: โ...Raw Powerโ
Luke later: โIโve seen this Raw Strength before...โ
Luke also: โit didnโt scare me enough then...it does now.โ
-Path to the Dark Side: fear>anger>hate>suffering
Begin speculating, you can.
PlayMoreExvius ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:31:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok ok I figured it out. Kylo actually turns to the light then she asks him for help to find her part in this oh boy did they get us, she doesnโt go Rogue he does.
Mzultan17 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:31:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did anyone notice Luke seems to be a lot more cybernetic then just his hand in one of the shots from the trailer? Either up to his shoulder or its some kind of new outfit
MrMolonLabe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:31:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Spoiler
Delsana ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:32:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Too many spoilers in this...
AaronMT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:37:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where can one obtain a 4K version of the trailer?
eessheee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:42:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Whos arm is getting chopped off?
brandonorlowski ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:51:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rey slices off BOTH of Kyloโs arms after he extends his hand.
Fragzilla360 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:47:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rey
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:47:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy fuck
Plz_ShowBob_n_Vagene ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:47:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
๐ฉ
Mr_Hobbit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:48:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo is obviously not going to kill Leia if they are planning a redemption for him in the third movie. That would be too much.
Amazing trailer, the hype is going to be out of this world until December.
Obi1DidntHave2Die ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:48:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am pumped Kylo goes to vaders castle!
Wasted_Comment ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:50:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
REY is asking Luke to help Kylo and not to fight him. Kylo is reaching out to Luke for redemption.
haffbaked ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:51:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If after this movie Kylo and Rey team up to be bad then I hope the last film features a fight that is Luke v. Kylo and Rey, mimicking the Darth Maul v. Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan fight.
Fire_And_Blood_7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:51:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am honestly most concerned and excited for learning more about Snoke, who he is, where he comes from, and his history.
I will be very disappointed if we learn no background about him.
Asterend93 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:53:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They better not kill off who I think they will
Starks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:53:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Will we ever get a sense of the original plans for 8 and 9?
Shakill_The_GOD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:53:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like there maybe a spoiler in the trailer with the Leia scene. The first Leia is obviously Carrie Fisher as she is staring at what seems to be Kylo getting ready to kill her but the second scene she appears in you can tell it's the CGI version of her. This let's us know he does not follow through.
Fragzilla360 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:54:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm disturbed by the lack of C3PO.
Amartincelt ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:59:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You just didnโt recognize him.
BlackJediSword ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:56:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, Finn is just regular, which makes me sad. Great trailer though
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:56:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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SigmaKnight ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:57:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She escaped.
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Coppin-it-washin-it ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:22:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't show her surviving. Her death/survival is meant to be ambiguous.
However, a lot of fans loved the character and didn't think she got nearly enough attention. It seems that they want to show that she is back in a big way, and will be a bigger villain than "the big chrome storm trooper who got tossed in the trash".
She deserved better.
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Coppin-it-washin-it ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:19:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's writing issues. Most of us love the concept of Phasma.
And Boba Fett did get out of the Sarlacc in the old canon, which is why people still think he did
kiekura ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:21:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is in the books. Not in movie
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:53:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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SigmaKnight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:24:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The movie made sense on its own. You read the books and comics and anything else put out because it is part of the universe.
SigmaKnight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not shown in movie. Itโs implied in the movie because that is what happened to the original trio. And then there was a Phasma comic that explained what happened to her during the attack.
https://io9.gizmodo.com/now-we-know-how-captain-phasma-escaped-starkiller-base-1800680068
matheus886 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:56:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't have enough words to say, but GOD this trailer was amazing! As many said editing must be misleading for us to speculate more theories and try to predict more things but I am pretty hyped for this movie!
Side note: Would be even more hyped if it weren't for my headache. Fuck this. Ruined my experience watching the trailer.
ALSO, I think we can expect Crait to be a very important planet and The Battle of Crait to be a pivotal moment for both sides.
Guapscotch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:58:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Last 30 seconds seems kinda spoilery with rey meeting snoke and the alliance kinda thing with kylo and rey... idk how i feel about this trailer to be honest.
LuisXGonzalez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:58:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy hell!
Wasted_Comment ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:59:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo: Death to the last Jedi
Rey: We can all be last Jedi
Snoke: Kill the last Jedi
Luke: what happens when one possess this much power? Jedi (you die)
Iโll walk myself out.
TheDreadPirateHam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:00:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok, C3PO, and R2D2 are being replaced by a summer time miniature penguin, who already happens to be in cahoots with the mighty Chewbacca... I don't know how I feel about that.
TheBoobaloop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:02:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
fuck yes
Zammin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:05:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo Ren throughout this whole trailer.
extraneouspanthers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:07:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I WANT TO HEAR SCOTTS TAKE ON THE TRAILER
taylorsbrill ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:07:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone think it's weird Luke is wearing a dark robe? The movies are pretty consistent that heros wear light colors and villains (or soon to be villains) wear darker.
VegetaLF7 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:41:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Return of the Jedi. Luke wears black exclusively (aside from his camo on Endor) for the whole film. Han wears black and dark blue primarily throughout his appearances. Sure, he has a white undershirt but the majority of his clothing is dark colors. Jyn and the rest of Rogue One wore dark colors as well.
ordinator2008 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:27:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When Luke chooses the light path, his shirt flap falls open to reveal the white inside. It's a pretty big symbolic moment of victory, and stays open all through the end of the movie.
Edit Here. The point of Luke wearing black through the whole movie is because we are meant to think he may turn dark, but after that confrontation with the Emperor, his white flap is showing.
VegetaLF7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:56:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup, in previous posts I've made comments about how he was on the brink of falling and pointed out the flap, in this case I was just responding to the "good guys only wear light colors" line
nullvector ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:31:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Krennic?
FerrisMcFly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:08:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like it but i also feel i just saw all the cool bits from the movie... hate when they show so much
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:11:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If it makes you feel better, there are confirmed locations that weren't in the trailer as well as two main characters that weren't there at all
Variability ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:08:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who else went and checked if tickets are actually for sale?
Theatre only has showings for noonish.
TrekaTeka ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:20:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
bought opening night tickets AND IMAX tickets for weekend
LiveEvilLevi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:08:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sometimes I pronounce Jedi in a Scandinavian in my head when I read it. Other times the J sounds like an H when I imagine it pronounced in Spanish.
Drumboy168 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:15:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm unsure if I now know so much that the movie is ruined for me, or have been so thoroughly confused that it will be totally surprising.
jaytay4589 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:20:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm trying to figure out why Mark Hamill would want us to pass on this. If everything is a misdirect then there's nothing really ruined, and they couldn't be dumb enough to actually spoil much, right?
ChrisWubWub ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:33:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mark Hamill didnt want us to pass on it...the director did
jaytay4589 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:34:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I could have sworn I saw something from him way before the director said anything. I could totally be wrong though
rkellyturbo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:20:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've seen interviews with him where he just doesn't seem to get the mindset of wanting to spoil something for yourself in general.
Poopiepants666 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:34:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm curious about what exactly is going on at 1:59.
AgentDink ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:35:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
OuO
TheHeroicOnion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:51:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why would they show Snoke fucking Rey up? They meet?
branj70 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:16:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Might be a vision or dream
waqasurrehman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:01:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good One
GoldJadeSpiceCocoa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:02:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I expect Rey to go to the Dark Side, and Kylo going to the light. But already I'm seeing such character growth, especially from Kylo.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:05:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Red_coats ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:07:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At half time yeah.
NotNorthD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:09:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure the hangar/ factory Kylo is looking into in the first shot has ORIGINAL AT-ATs and AT-STs and not the gorilla walkers.
tribunetony ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:29:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Was Vader's command ship destroyed? Maybe they recommission it?
Mackaf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:20:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uh yea the executor crashed into death star ii. Rip a wing pilot
GregThePrettyGoodGuy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:14:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Another observation - Kyloโs shuttle is leading the First Order Walkers - perhaps a redemption isnโt as certain as we think
Or perhaps Iโm wildly speculating
Uchiha_Itachi22 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:37:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There could be multiples of that class of shuttle within the first order though. Just like the emperor and Vader didnโt share the same Lambda class shuttle, it could be another baddie in there instead of Kylo.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:16:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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GeorgeStamper ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:38:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"That bathroom is up the hall and to the left."
FirebirdTA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:26:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Feel kinda bummed with Kylo hunting down Leia. He seems sad and unbalanced more than killing Han.
NOVACNTURION ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:31:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
December 15th....โAlll-most-theyerโ
I have a feeling I am going to hate those damn Porgs.
What the hell is up with my boi Chewie. Had to sniff summa dat smuggled spice to stay awake?! What the hell?!?!!!
Time to see Luke UNLEASHED!!
Gaffsgvdhdgdvh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:32:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The shot right after AT-ATs at the beginning. Kylo walking in an entrance where the floor is covered with cold lava. Could it be Vader's castle?!!!
cheshire_mat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:50:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why would he be with snow troopers on a lava planet though?
Gaffsgvdhdgdvh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:52:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe it's the vader castle we saw in rouge one. It's on mustafar. There is an ancient sith temple under it. Maybe he's looking for something. I hope it's mustafar.
HK-47b ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:43:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sith temple built over the first Jedi temple.
zGoldenGiraffe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:34:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think Rey is going to be a gray jedi, there may have been some foreshadowing of this at around 2:00 minute based upon her clothing it being gray, and of course how she seemed to be confused as to whether or not she knows what she wants to do.
HK-47b ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:42:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She will master the dark and light, Rey Bridger.
saywee123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:35:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I sort of miss Kylo wearing his helmet.
lowkeygee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:40:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Take my money.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:51:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly till this day I still believe Kylo wouldโve been better at playing a live action Pinocchio movie instead.
ksfvbuzz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:52:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs almost as though you donโt think like should be American. Itโs Kirk he should be Obi Wan. But no he doesnโt have that accent. Am I the only one intrigued by this.
smashertheorc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:59:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm going to hope that Kylo slamming the helmet is his reaction to him killing Leia, with him saying let the past die referring to letting the dark side die, showing some actual regret.
summersgod ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:02:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it is going to be him being frustrated with the First Order I think the scene with Leia is a misdirect
Tasteful_Dick_Pics ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:10:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
More likely he's mad that he didn't have the strength to do it. He's frustrated because he thought killing Han would make his transition to the dark side complete. Killing his mother should have been easy if he was fully turned. When he realizes he can't kill his mom, that he didn't go full dark side when he killed Han, it infuriates him. His rage is further compounded by the nagging seed now planted in his head that he killed his father for nothing.
alligatorterror ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:02:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Daddy Lucas and Uncle Disney... please take my money
Narradisall ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:03:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Damn that was a good trailer. Misdirection, didn't give much away, built hype and oh god it's only a few months away too!
euxneks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:04:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I donโt know whatโs going on, I donโt know whatโs going to happen, I donโt know what the movie will be about, and Iโm super excited for it. Great trailer. AA++ would watch again.
the_kraken_queen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:06:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
holy fucking shit
WizQ_14 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:06:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't wait for two more months it's gonna kill me!
AnActualGarnish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:08:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ending was a surprise to be sure, but a welcome one.
YouveBeenKitFistoed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:11:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Edit: Watched it a few times more to absorb the dialogue. Love Luke's "This isn't going the way you think", kind of addressing the audience at the same time. I guess the "general" audience won't see it, but the more I watch the trailer the more obvious it seems that we will indeed get something of a switcheroo (Kylo / Rey). Snoke is talking about Rey in the beginning there, the link being "raw power" also being mentioned by Luke; we see Kylo in several situations where he is struggling with his conscience indicating that he'll stray back toward the light; and we see Snoke and Rey actually being in the same room (which was the biggest surprise for me).
I also notice that the trailer doesn't have as many "money shots" as the Rogue One trailers (IMO), but not worried.
Also also, I noticed a regular classic Scout Walker (to the right in the shot of the assembled First Order forces in that hangar).
All right, crawled out of bed way too early to get my fix o' Star Wars. I kept stalling because I knew how it would screw up my brain for the rest of the day. But now..it is done. First round I sat there slackjawed trying to process it all. Second time I was better able to settle in and third time the analysis began. Here are my thoughts, while I'm still a bit rushed (but the hype kind of faded quickly, for reasons described below).
I'll get this one out of the way first, I know people are tired of hearing this particular topic, but it still seems like TLJ will have similar plot beats to ESB, however the visuals here are (with the exception of walkers and interior First Order design) so different that it may be easier to overlook this niggle.
Lots of great shots, cinematography looks top notch..except the CGI which for some reason lacks weight and looks cartoonish; a bit like TFA in that regard (I feel Rogue One's CGI sequences look better). I don't know, it's something about how for example Poe's X-Wing moves that I find hard to buy. Not a super big deal.
Opening shot; I just assumed this was Leia but it isn't her, it's her son. Kind of standing like Anakin there. But where? Aboard Snoke's flagship? Why does it look like rain on the windows? Anyone have any idea about this shot?
Shot 2: Walkers. Least favorite part for me. I just don't like them. Note a smaller, more regular looking walker (second to farthest away) and Kylo's shuttle.
Shot 3: Didn't someone no one believed leak info on this shot? It's basically a remake of the scene in RotS where Anakin marched into the Jedi temple. Here we have Kylo march in with his troopers. Into the cave on Atchoo with the books, I assume. Kylo invading Luke's island confirmed; nods to prequels confirmed.
Kylo picking up the saber. Neat.
Rey firing up saber. For some reason these outdoor shots of her on Atchoo feel like they are from another film. There's such a contrast, maybe because these shots are less cluttered with no CGI. She looks great, love her.
Luke takes the saber. Great stuff, love it. Simple but gives me the feels. Luke's technohand looks awesome here..but the shot where he looks up at her..he looks a bit weird there, but I guess the emotion here is "WTF?"
Rey entering this film's version of the cave on Dagobah. Two stumps look lightning-wracked. I don't know how to feel about this potential plot beats from ESB, I hope it will be different enough in TLJ to avoid mental frustration.
Rey sees books. Could she discover them before Luke? Maybe he has been searching and here comes this young upstart and finds it right away, the Force being with her a lot and all.
Training shots. Different.. unusual angles..lighting may suggest the Dark Side is not far away from Rey..
Luke surprised (and looking a little weird again) as stone cracks open when Rey employs the Force. Is she a destructive force more than we thought? Luke has seen such raw power only once before.. which must mean the emperor, Yoda or Vader. I assume Vader, further linking Rey to the Dark Side? Maybe... Shit.
Luke's hand shoots out from pile of rubble. So there was some blast burying him. Probably a "now" sequence (after Kylo has arrived to hear the place down). Next shot is the "classic" temple burning similar to TFA, so it is relevant - but it could be part of the film's timeline (and thus a future vision when we saw it in TFA!) After all, R2 is on the island and Rian specifically wanted R2 there. So he may twist the timing of this shot.
And while Rey is nudging toward the dark (maybe), Kylo seems to have regrets. Looks at his helmet and trashes it.. lots of emotion in those eyes, not the cold Dark Side. Immediately followed by him having the opportunity to blast his mother's starship.. nice sequence.. my guess is he won't do it, of course, because the light pulls him...but it would be easy to have him shoot the ship, it explodes, and Leia is out of the series (I know it doesn't work because this is supposedly near the beginning).
Love the shots of Ben in the cockpit. Reminiscent of Vader, vaguely.
Chewie and the Porg: I'm amused. Niggle: Something about Chewie's eyes feels wrong.
Poe feels properly a hero in his shots.
Finn vs Phasma: yeah it looks great but feel this should have been the scene in TFA, now it feels repetitive. Love the close-up on Phasma with the lighting etc.
BB-8 gets fried. I dunno... he's not as big a presence this time around, so far anyway, and I think that is fine. R2 for the win. This shot felt too prequel-like for my taste, but it's short and quick so.mmeh
Luke in the rain.. he really sounds like young Luke there, love it.
Crystal dogs: Nice fresh detail. Fleeing the approaching walkers?
Rey clambers up from pool. Probably part of the dark side cave thing scene. What did she meet? Kylo with half a mask, hiding her half of the face?
Close up Snoke; yes! While I'm still unhappy with the design, he now looks real and "good". I believe in the character more here. Getting more curious about him.
And then..Rey bent backward, screaming in pain, and yup it's Snoke standing behind her, doing this to her. You can see his throne too and the red wall where Kylo picks up his saber. So, like someone else said here, shit, what if Kylo joins his mom and Rey joins Snoke. That would indeed be very unpredictable and support actors' statements about Rian taking the story in unexpected directions. It would also explain the focus on Rey not feeling that she belongs, her rough upbringing etc. It's prep for making her.. change.. more believable. Maybe.
last shot of Rey / Kylo: Definitely two different scenes stitched together to bewilder the audience. A very interesting choice none the less
agen_kolar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:15:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is Kylo in this shot wearing a different top from in this shot?
JzargoTheMage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:04:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ultimately it matters not since the fire and ash shows us that it's the same scene as well as the general posture of Kylo in the shot.
But he is not wearing a different top. The line down the middle coordinates with the shots seen of him in his Tie Silencer, which also matches with the pattern on his shoulders.
joyko123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:17:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i like this
BigBenC07 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:24:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's misdirection... all of it
surfwax584 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:25:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think itโs super safe to say that Kylo DOES NOT pull the trigger on his Mommy
Proof: the carbon-bandaid scar has to be a carryover move from TFA (that scene of him flying his TIE is most likely in the beginning of TLJ). Leia is on the ship, seems they are speaking to each other through the force.. Kylo does not pull trigger.
then, Bandaid has healed Kylo. Leia makes it to Crait which I think we know that scene will take place at the end of the movie as an awesome finish? Leia has that look of not surviving this one
Flipside: these scenes are reversed and Kylo chases Leia off Crait in the beginning of the movie then kills her as she tryโs to flee.
Fuzzzy_Bear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:31:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit so pumped.
DarknusAwild ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:34:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
GOD DAMN IT WHO IS SNOKE.
HK-47b ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:33:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Emperor P
DarknusAwild ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:48:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think so too especially after seeing him finally not in the hologram!
AlbertChessa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:36:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
STILL UNABLE TO BREATHE
samstarkiller ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:40:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's interesting that we didn't see any glimpses of Canto Bight, Benicio del Toro's character, or Rose.
Loved the trailer. And the music...gets chills
baxterrocky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:44:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snoke is Sloth from Goonies.
CONFIRMED.
AnimalFactsBot ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:44:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sloths can move along the ground at just 2 m (6.5 ft) per minute! In the trees they are slightly quicker at 3 m (10 ft) per minute.
baxterrocky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:46:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks you guys.
AnimalFactsBot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:47:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are most welcome. Beep boop.
Tasteful_Dick_Pics ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:45:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Subscribe
NotDangerousGame ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:45:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone else notice the AT-AT in with the first order walkers?
Bexirt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:49:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK????????
Lus_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:01:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy crap.
Snoke is talking about Kylo or to Rey?
Bexirt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:03:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FUCKKKKKK EVERYTHING
GIVE ME THE PORGS
sadflack_freeze ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:04:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Woa
Thats all I'm able to say.
The factory looks pretty cool
trutuna ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:09:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So what I take from this last Jedi IS plural
Mackaf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:02:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jedi is plural and singular like moose
trutuna ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:46:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean the title is meant to be plural as in more than one last Jedi
SentinelSquadron ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:26:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That scene where Kylo picks up the saber may be a forceback considering he's building a new one, right?
yyzable ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:31:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking can't wait!!
jd1ms4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:33:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love the scene with Kylo in the fighter.
Lunchladydorisfan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:36:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When I watched the section where luke says 'i wasn't afraid of it then I am now' I assumed at first it meant when he trained kylo ren, but in rtoj he tells Vader that he's not afraid.
Basically what if kylo was powerful, assumed the new chosen one, but instead luke realises Rey is as powerful as Vader and he's now afraid as Rey has equalled/ supparrsed that power.
DisgustinglySober ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:27:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought he was referring to the dark side?
Lunchladydorisfan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:15:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seen a few threads linking it to the speech from empire that Yoda gives Luke which would be cool and would mean that you're right about Luke talking about the dark side.
Probably won't be left to interpretation after the film but I'm excited to see the relevance of the Vader helmet and how they link that into the new film above it just being a bit of context for the conflict in Kylo.
Mackaf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:59:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well ya gotta think about lukes mindset. His student went dark and killed everyone and luke ran from it. It cracked his mind and his view on the Jedi because he wasnt strong enough to keep the light without he himself going dark
kurdG4mer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:37:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
does it worth watching star wars ? i never watched it !
UPRC ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 08:34:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It does very worth.
LitaKinochan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:55:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's very good and worth it! c:
thee_earl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:37:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
....and I just bought my tickets
KATAndJokic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:18:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This shit was soooo hype, i cant wait for december!!
Withyourfeetintheair ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:28:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
cool
Error_X ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:50:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hype intensifies
Silent_Knights ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:00:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Very excited!!
gameofsnowcones ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:30:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So we are getting helmeted Kyle again?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:37:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
he smashes it into the wall so prob for an hour of the movie
AresIsDale ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:42:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gimme some more of that Porg.
RomuRaf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:45:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure. I like the scene with Leia and Kylo, and the acting overall seems good. But I'm not sure, felt like from the get go with the voice over didn't seem to excite me in terms of writing. Also not a huge fan of the new feel of Luke, but we'll see how it ends up being in the film. There are several things at the moment that just do not work for me very well, which is probably hindering all of it in my eyes.
I was never sold on the Phasma Finn thing, and Phasma just in general was awful in TFA and so it's a bit weird to me that she is even back. I also kind of see the path of ESB here for Rey. Train with a master, go to face the enemy too early (Snoke I guess here). Maybe here she is actually turned, but still, it's a bit too familiar for now. Then there's the AT-AT thing on a ground assault. But like I said, we'll see. At least it's another SW story to see.
Also, I hope Kylo will turn back to the light side while Rey perhaps flips to the dark. That would be somewhat interesting. I'd like to see Luke more himself and less gritty ptsd type. It also feels like he might be the least powerful with the force of all these characters here, which is a bit sad as well. But I'm obviously biased :D
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:51:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What about that new X-Wing with the big engine in the middle?
Tenrac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:19:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not new, it's just Poe's black x-wing with a fancy engine stuck on the end of it.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:29:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So it's new.
Tenrac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:37:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, it's the same, but modified. New...to most people, means entirely different.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:45:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, an engine isn't something you just slap on. That's the exhaust port. The engine itself takes some space inside the hull, meaning there's been some redesign.
Tenrac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:24:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Take a closer look at the pictures, it is pretty slap dash. It looks like he just took an engine off of something else and just strapped on to the back. Kinda mad max style...I think it's pretty cool!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:19:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is that the spark that will light the fire that will burn the Resistance to the ground?
raiigiic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:57:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When like says "this is not going to go the way you think" I believe this scene is occurring around when rey is coming out of the water. To me, luke looks struck down, like he's been beaten. Either rey has defected? Or perhaps kylo ren has found them.
Or it might take place during that raining scene from episode 7
DoctorInsurgency ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:04:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What did Luke say that scares him now?
KidTheCurry ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 11:23:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jar Jar smokes, pass it on.
alxhghs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:17:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who do you all think that is at 1:53?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:24:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Could it be The Bandu Ray visit in the cave at 0:42?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:31:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rey is gonna be on a snow camel. She gonna colapse
ShinyPhasma ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:21:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Palpatine: UNLIMITED POWER!
Snoke: RAW untamed power!
Palpatine: That's my boy. cackles
WithSympathy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:29:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The music in the background reminds me a lot of this track
Snicsnipe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:42:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey call me crazy but did any of you see Gen. Hux in the trailer. I did not see him at all?
olddicklemon72 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:29:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I presumed thatโs his back looking out the window at the very beginning. No?
Snicsnipe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:43:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Haircut and clothing looks like Kylo to me?
olddicklemon72 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:08:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. I guess youโre right. Probably the setting more than anything has me project an officer on it.
RisingBlackStar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:03:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's so beautiful.
floggeriffic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:36:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Chills...that is all.
explore__ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:05:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
there's going to be some epic plot point because it's the middle episode. the implication is that Rey is going to turn. if it isn't that, then I feel like the episode will fall short. it would be cool if Rey plays the role of Vader and redeems herself in episode 9. something unexpected at least.
instrictionUnclear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:08:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
she looks like she's making a hole in that rock with her lightsaber
grandplans ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:15:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have already secured my tickets for Saturday 12/16 at the Alamo Draft House.
I got goosebumps multiple times.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:16:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
oh my gosh. that was amazing!!! My excitement level is got up 1000%. Also. PORGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So cute.
Klownicle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:46:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Am I the only one that could see Luke going after Rey? The line where he talks about how he's seen this kinda of strength before and it didn't scare him enough then. And it scares him enough now to do something about it? Then you have the scene where Luke and Rey are in the dark cave looking area and it just looks all sorts of bad. There's another scene were Luke is down on the ground talking up to someone (again a dark rain scene). Could be part of the flashback where he has scene the Jedi Temple in ruins, perhaps Kylo?
I wouldn't mind Luke going bad, attacking Rey. Kylo killing Princess Leia (his mother), then Snoke choosing Rey and Kylo and Rey teaming up while they go apeshit on Snoke.
Or is this just my n00b star wars backing talking?
Coppin-it-washin-it ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:32:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I don't see any of that happening tbh
Klownicle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:35:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol, either way. One thing is for sure, I think that trailer is shady as far as misdirection goes.
Coppin-it-washin-it ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:39:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with that! I am hoping they are leaving tons of surprises locked away. I'm sick of the entirety of every SW movie having the plot leaked before the film releases. It's actually pretty hard to avoid spoilers some times. Thankfully Rogue One was not spoiled for me but TFA was, except for Rey's big moment in the end.
I'm hoping this movie blows us all away with cool shit
wildard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:50:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What do you think about Luke?
Will he die in the end or will be carbonized for the SW IX?
FuckTheSooners ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:52:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm just here to see more aerial/vehicular combat
badass2000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:55:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Very nice. Looks like alot of conflict in this one.
heyfeefellskee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:02:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel the conflict
Snatch1414 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:51:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just don't release your hatred
badass2000 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:46:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
lol
FrankieFishsticks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:18:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who was piloting the Falcon with Chewie?
Vibranium_Dragon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:49:52 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
a porg
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:26:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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georgefriend3 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:00:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm guessing Rey is in the cave on Ach-To talking to Luke. The embers in Kylo's scene look like they match an explosion/fire on the Resistance ship earlier in the trailer - I'm wondering if he tries to rescue Leia from the ship he hesitates from shooting.
Getmoist04 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:38:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fear is the path to The Dark Side Luke
HellWolf1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:40:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, this is shaping up to be a much more interesting film than TFA. I'm actually really absorbed in the story and I can't wait to see it unfold.
Kylo, Luke and Rey all seem like they will have deep and engaging character arcs.
Speedbird757 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:41:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm so excited, and totally not just commenting so I can find this easily at a later date.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:51:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Obazda ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:36:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
huh, true. no shot of him or the "casino" scene either!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love how much gold is flying around in this thread. It's nice to see a community that's just happy and excited about what it loves.
Dontrell ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:53:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wtf Rey loves Kylo Ren now
bill2401 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:01:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure what gave you that idea
brown-tube ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:58:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Awesome to see Phasma use a black sabre!
aatencio91 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:09:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She was using a silver spear...
papa_ross_needs_meme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:59:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I legit started hyperventilating at the end of the trailer
MommysBigBoii ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:01:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck me if this doesn't look beautiful. Blockbusters don't tend to make me feel this way, but I reconsider watching this on the biggest possible screen available
IamHeretoSayThis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:02:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Awesome.
GabrahamLincoln9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:02:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
very cool
TheBigsquaduesh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:24:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In best southern accent "The Sith will rise again!"
IV-IVm-I ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:32:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
for real, itโs something like salt plains with a rich red soil
KidTheCurry ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:31:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rich like a red velvet cake. Oh, yes.
ValourWinds ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:06:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why does Anakin's lightsaber always look so amazing no matter which scene it's in.. the thing has aged tremendously well, but I guess that's just the thing about lightsaber construction. The blue tone looks just as powerful as it did 40 years on.
Xacto01 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:32:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's with the Gorilla Walkers?
SharkMassacre ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:45:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They seemed goofy to me at first. I like that, after looking closely at hangar shots, we see the First Order is still using the original AT-AT and AT-ST designs.
Xacto01 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:50:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I guess the old atats will do what their supposed to do and that's transport. The gorillas will have capital ship weapons:)
ijustwanttogohome2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:50:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Heavy assault.
mh337 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:44:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finally just watched it. Literal tears running down my face.
ECxTrillSteeze ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:34:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Saw on twitter came straight here so I can truly grasp what I just watched
wrongaboutall99 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:10:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm going to turn, it's gonna be unhappy with Rey as far as the pet will rely on him.
red5jam ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:52:29 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
English dude
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:05:32 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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๐๏ธ Nickbloom ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:06:44 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
wouldnt hurt to try blade runner, just because that movie is gorgeous in itself
ireditt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:23:32 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Canโt be BR, it was released beforehand. The teaser was attached to it, though.
businessmantis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:38:17 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Calling it now, Snoke is Star Wars Nosferatu.
evilbob2200 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:45:57 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i think hes a force wielder
thergud ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:32:29 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Force vampire
Darthigiveup ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:52:20 on April 2, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Is this a short witty smartmouth worthy of gold comment?
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Oh ya uh end of jedi mind trick no emd of bullshit .
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houtex727 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, that didn't confuse me at all. o.0?
:D
One thing is for certain. My insistence that Rey is NOT a Skywalker seems to be confirmed... pending the movie itself.
SO. MUCH. AWESOME.
This winter's movie lineup is going to be SICK. Capped with this.
CAN'T. FREAKING. WAIT.
GinoMarley1 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 08:28:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How can a real person talk like this.
houtex727 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:48:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I AM TOTALLY A REAL PERSON, HUMAN.
The_Blue_Rooster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:10:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So, uhh is this really where we're going as far as alien characters? Baby Groot-esque comic relief, and wildlife. Certainly seems like the Empire won the war, since their systematic oppression against non-humans seems to have resulted in all non-humans being completely useless. I get that actors want their faces in movies, but the Rebellion is looking an awful lot like the Empire these days.
Dragoryu3000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:58:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We know that there's another humanoid alien species on Ahch-to, and Canto Bight will have even more. Although I'm still upset that we don't have another alien main character besides Chewie.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:56:57 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone mentioned a great theory on Kylo and Snoke. Kyloe was seduced by the dark side and after killing the new Jedi Order he went into exile. After a while Snoke finds him and trains him.
Was there anything in Force Awakens that suggests Snoke seduced him to the Dark Side initially?
Mrpoedameron ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 14:47:28 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Leia literally says: "It was Snoke. He seduced our son to the dark side. But we can still save him."
GrimReaperGuttersInc ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:09:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kind of disappointed
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:26:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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AnOnlineHandle ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:31:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As a massive star wars fan I didn't get nothing from this video either, it just seemed like random scenes which were the same as what we've already seen in TFA.
WinterIsComing435 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:57:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Each time I watch this, the more semen leaves my body
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:29:24 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bit of a deadpan performance by Carrie
Ralph-Hinkley ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:49:14 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
sad trombone
oh-just-another-guy ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:49:53 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So Finn has the force now? Why does he have a light saber?
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 16:51:05 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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oh-just-another-guy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:46:04 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:31:04 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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UberMcwinsauce ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:56:29 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're probably based on the same technology from the staves Grievous' droid guards used, which is useful for a lot of things besides stopping lightsabers
Mrpoedameron ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:11:08 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like a stun baton - Stormtroopers used them in TFA. Also, Finn used a light saber in TFA...
oh-just-another-guy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:46:47 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks.
He did use one in TFA but not as a force user.
vinceole ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:18:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Am I the only one who thinks Finn is the last Jedi?
surfwax584 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 06:27:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep
HK-47b ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:35:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mace Windu is Finnโs uncle.
xProperlyBakedx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:17:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For a group of people who take a vow of celibacy, these Jedis get some serious ass...
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:46:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I fapped.
It had nothing to do with the trailer, just felt like fapping.
TrigglyPuffs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:52:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Spoiler alert: Princess Leia dies
HK-47b ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:39:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Meatbags canโt handle the truth.
I_Am_Dynamite6317 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:11:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke is Snoke. Snoke is Luke. I called it here first.
AudixMusic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:39:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh my God it's going to be so good
jayoduls ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:40:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Donโt take his hand, Rey. Heโll slice off your arm like what his grandfather did to his uncle.
Crashednburning ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:40:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I remember Mark Hamill saying something about urging people not to watch the promotional material and that there are huge spoilers. Is that true or is this safe to watch?
OneFunkeeMunkee ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 11:44:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It raises more questions than outright spoils things
krispness ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 12:03:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is one part that I wouldn't have believed was a spoiler until you said Hamill warned us. Now I know it will happen.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:06:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Crashednburning ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:15:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Has seen another comment that said "It was probably that bit at the end" . Haven't watched so Idk what that means.
krispness ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:14:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To avoid spoilers, the part where Kylo Ren was aiming at something intercut with someone watching intently. Usually in trailers they can deceive you by cutting two different parts together but if Hamill thinks there was spoilers, that was the only thing that seemed like one.
Crashednburning ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:12:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh. Well um, sorry then lol
mega512 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:53:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My God, I can't stop watching it.
salsathe4th ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:03:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone notice Rey's lightsaber is white?
RobertsonD ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:00:58 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I also thought her lightsaber was not blue enough.
cpillarie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:44:22 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
reminded me a bit of Luke's lightsaber in episode IV, back when they still used reflective tape and blue flashlights behind camera to get the lightsaber effect
MrDude65 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:32:43 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Got this movie figured out:
Luke is talking about Snoke when he talks about immense power. He trains Rey, but she wants to confront Kylo/Snoke, and Luke doesn't. She goes anyway, after learning that Kylo is sent to quell a rebellious planet with Phasma. She arrives, and Snoke tries to seduce her to the dark side, but she refuses. She is killed. Meanwhile, Kylo confronts Luke again, where he tells him that his sister has gone to kill Snoke. During this time, Leia is killed aboard her cruiser and Kylo and Luke feel it through the Force. Kylo, now seeing how Snoke has taken so much without giving him the power he desires asks Luke to help him redeem himself. He agrees, and they leave to join Rey, not knowing that she is already dead. The Resistance is defeated and retreats back, Poe and Finn having been captured as prisoners. At the end, Kylo and Luke fight through the Knights of Ren aboard Snokes Star Destroyer and enter the throne room to find Snoke and Rey's body. Praetorian guards attempt to attack them, but they escape. Snoke speaks to Hux, telling him that the Jedi are finished and they will now exterminate the Resistance. Credits roll.
grackula ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:56:03 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rey is not dying however.
MrDude65 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:05:23 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm just hoping that Disney will take a more mature outlook on the series, and realize the weight this would have for the film.
But I do agree, it's a long shot.
grackula ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:48:11 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
will be fun to find out but does much surprise you from this franchise?
MrDude65 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:54:09 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not anymore, haha. Still, gotta hope, and from what I've seen, if Disney can put some maturity into the writing, I think this is a plausible plotline.
Ottott ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:09:42 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You need my theory further down in this thread in a bad way.
MrDude65 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:38 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can you link it? Would love to read!
Ottott ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:12:00 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tagged you under it.
Ottott ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:03 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Search my post history it's a comment in this post.
Hellfalcon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:12:48 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yeah I definitely think this is mirroring the Dagobah seen of Luke running off to save them in Bespin and not listening to Yoda..and hes trying to tell her it wont go the way she thinks and shell probably lose a hand haha
MrDude65 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:09:46 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's what I'm getting too. I think the Kylo smashing the helmet as he talks about killing the past is genuine.
JJ3595 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:05:36 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not so sure Rey is going to be confrontation-hungry like ESB Luke. I think she wants understanding more than anything - who she is, who her parents are, why she can use the force, etc.
MrDude65 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:11:12 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What have we seen in TFA? She immediately attacks Finn when BB-8 says he stole the Jacket. She saw Kylo kill Han, and fought him, just barely winning. I think she is and it would be the turn I think the series needs to take here.
jafdunsef ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:06:07 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol. Your synopsis can only be described as "fanfic-y." You're gonna be so disappointed; Disney has no balls; they won't kill Rey or Kylo, Snoke won't bite the dust till 9, I doubt Luke will even leave his island and the Knights of Ren won't even show up.
MrDude65 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:18:55 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, not what I'm hoping for, just where I see it going based on what's been given.
thergud ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:33:40 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why would they feel Leia's death but not Rey's?
MrDude65 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:28:05 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not as strong of a connection. Luke just met Rey, and Kylo hasn't known her.
Granted, it's a super outside theory, but I thought it up in fifteen minutes and that's my (poor) reasoning, haha
GregThePrettyGoodGuy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:29:08 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rampant speculation (that, considering thereโs 10,000 comments will likely be buried) time;
We see that Rey confronts Snoke - assuming this is real, I believe itโs highly unlikely that Kylo Ren gets redeemed this time around
Because if we throw Rey at Snoke and both walk away, thatโll be pretty fukinโ disappointing. No, I think Snoke dies in this film, leaving a hole for new First Order leadership. And since Hux is a nothing character, and Phasma is a nothing character probably on her way out (for the same reason as Snoke, itโd be pretty lame to have her face Finn, again, and both walk away), thereโs only one person who can take that place; Kylo Ren.
I think heโs gonna save Rey by killing Snoke, but because the dude is still very clearly fuked up in the whole โmoral conscienceโ area, I donโt think sheโll side with him; that rejection will send him totally to the dark side
And hereโs why again; whoโs gonna be fought in 9 of Kylo is a good guy? Snoke doesnโt seem to be the fighting type, and thereโs no way episode 9 happen under J.J. with no Lightsaber duel.
Iโll bet approximately one Swish Chalet Quarter Chicken Dinner on that
P.S. itโs pretty fucked up that Finn, the co-protagonist of the sequel trilogy, is in 3 shots of this trailer, and I very much hope that itโs cause the Lucasfilm marketing department donโt want to deal with another โblack Stormtrooperโ controversy instead of the film being like that - otherwise Iโll have lost a lot of respect for Rian Johnson
P.P.S. For anyone whoโs made it this far down, Leia isnโt going to die in this film - we know 8 was unaltered after Carrie died, and we know she was to have a large role in 9. So any theory/โleakโ that predicates on her death is false
Mrpoedameron ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:18:01 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, they HAVE to say she had a role in IX otherwise they'd be revealing that she died in VIII.
I like your idea that Kylo kills Snoke. Perhaps he feels some kind of connection to Rey after they kind of 'mind shared' in TFA, and sympathises with her if she's disappointed by Luke. He saves her by killing Snoke, but she rejects his offer to join him and it pushes him over the edge.
GregThePrettyGoodGuy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:23:14 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And the best part is, I think that would make everyone happy. Iโd say itโs a fairly even split of those who want him redeemed, and those who donโt - this way both groups get their way. He doesnโt turn, at least not yet, but itโs firmly established that he has the potential in him
JJ3595 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:35:19 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yes, I think Kylo's redemption will be the main plot arc of IX.
LightningSaix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:32:47 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like its just me, but i really don't want Kylo to be redeemed back to the good side. He has such a good story that completely inverts what Luke went though. He is conflicted, not sure about what side he really wants to be on, confronts his father, makes the decision there, is finally able to fully embrace the dark side and end the conflict in his heart. No more whiny angst, no more tempter tantrums, just new sith badass with a helmet and a goofy lightsaber. Thats what i would like to see to redeem Kylo as a character to me. And Leia and everybody having to deal with realizing there is no saving him makes for a much better hook too.
CoffeeCannon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:23:44 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He could always get a Vader style redemption. One good act at the end to save the day just before he dies.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:30:08 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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GregThePrettyGoodGuy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:37:24 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That doesnโt help their case much - โyeah heโs just as important to the story as Rey, but he spends half of the movie unconsciousโ
SmokeyTheBear420 ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 02:01:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looks shit
Coop1534 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:29:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Care to back this up?
tlhrek2011 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:16:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
WTF dude. How does this look shit?
KillerAceUSAF ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:54:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Empire Strikes Back 2.0
tlhrek2011 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:40:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So it has some similarities.
You guys just want to hate movies don't you? You just want a movie to be bad so you can have something to complain about.
KillerAceUSAF ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:44:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, I want to love the movies. I love Star Wars, but I don't appreciate being given the exact same movies, but with a new cast. I also do appreciate being given a Mary Sue that out Mary Sue's the original Mary Sue that was a parody of characters like Rey. And the worst part, is that the entire subreddit seems to be get off on protecting Rey at all costs, and refuses to see how she is the literal definition of what a Mary Sue or Gary Stew is.
tlhrek2011 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:46:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not saying she isn't a Mary Sue.
But we haven't seen the movie yet. There's no telling what this has in store for us.
SlamSlayer1 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:35:52 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And at the same time Mary Sue believers ignore all evidence to the contrary. It's a vicious cycle.
Snf4le ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:30:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You too
ukfan758 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:59:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice
bspoots ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:00:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
THE WAIT WILL BE AGONIZING
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:00:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
!!!!!!!!!!
Opeeeeeee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:00:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That was intense!
OdaijiNi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:01:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FUCK YES
Dirtin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:01:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HYPE
mistarteechur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:01:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lordy.
FunkyBry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:01:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AHHHHH IM GOING TO LOSE IT
JohnnyUtah247 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:01:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus that was fast.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:01:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:03:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How could you possibly know i it's a spoiler if you haven't seen the movie?
TrustyStairway ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The only reason I switched the channel to NFL.
abrakadaver ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wanted to punch that NFL announcer. Laughing and mockingly saying โHappy holidays!โ. Argh.
IAmtheSADNESS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo lending his hand HOLY FUUUUUUUUCK
Gosko13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I watched it but maybe I'm dumb. What were the spoilers? When Luke talks about Rey's powers?
bobafoot17 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:19:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just that there were scenes from the movie. People just take it too seriously
obyteo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dark, beautiful, I hope this achieves the impossible and is better than The Empire Strikes Back!
Azwethinkweist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Alright Reddit, analyze every frame and tell me what to think
ThaAsbestosman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snoke looking fleshy!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Doctor_Cornelius ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:07:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did we ever think he wasn't?
tlhrek2011 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:10:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No shit.
How else would he have trained Kylo?
rockchalk88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
god damn that was awesome.
SirUlrichVonLichten ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh my god. What a trailer.
SupremeLeaderSnoop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What THE FUUUUUUUCK?!!? DECEMBER COME QUICKLY.
kingofthemonsters ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Daaaaaaaaaaamn
NotFranklinTheTurtle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD looks amazing!!!!
doveredmark ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The moment I saw carrie, tears sprang in my eyes
XxDaft7xX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are we blind ? Deploy the hype !
kanonnn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This looks so fucking sick omggggg so so so stoked!
whelps09 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So Luke's back to being a whimp, anyway I'm so HYPED!!!!
Trilligan_Island ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm speechless
Vinnys_Magic_Grits ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
YOU GUYS I JUST SAW LUKE SKYWALKER TALK AM I DEAD IS THIS HEAVEN
Justice4Noone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Was Rey looking to Kylo for help!?
architeuthidae ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They added Alolan Vulpix into the Star Wars universe! Cool!
DeekoOne ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Get the fuck outta here with these huge spoilers
3asteele ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh Ben... no...
romulus531 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finn has the TR8R electric tonfa in the trailer.
antemasque1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let me check. Yup, I came.
ridingthebluedragon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We saw more Luke in this trailer than we did in the last movie.
rondo420puff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
SKOL VIKINGS KEENUM CAN BRING BALANCE TO THE FORCE
AUBeastmaster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo Ren with the badass carbon-fiber faceplate (for maximum weight-savings).
lilstrecky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I donโt need it.. I donโt need it.. INEEEEDITTTT
Atraktape ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This looks interesting, I might go check it out.
JediHendrix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
God, my dick hurts...
keenynman343 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
OMG omg omg omg omg
end_of_discussion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm probably gonna need to see a doctor because this erection won't be going away within 4 hours.
guraqt2t ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:04:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We will watch your karma with great interest.
BlackGhostPanda ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:04:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
GUYS SOMEONE TELL ME WHAT TO THINK
Chadwick8505 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:04:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I should not have watched it. Rian was right. That scene with Ren and Leia... I should have listened.
vitalityy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:04:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm going to be honest, I didnโt enjoy that trailer as much as the force awakens trailer. Also, mark Hamills speaking roles donโt sound great
gated73 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same here. Just didn't have that hook.
Zezo268 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:04:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finn vs Phasma looks so damn sick
cptbownz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:04:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I FEEL A DISTURBANCE IN MY PANTS
HiHaterslol ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:04:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was going to bitch about Finn not being present enough in the trailer and then THE CLASH.
Mother of god
tadpoleguy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:04:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh bb. My body is ready.
mz4250 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Steve4964 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I LOVE THE LITTLE ALIEN THING NEXT TO CHEWIE.
Sunshine145 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought Finn's story would drag this movie down cause of how lame he is. But the shit in his story looks epic.
OldBenKenobi01 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
MINBACCA!!!
superjuan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:07:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
WHERE IS HAN?!?!
gregor630 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:07:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He fookin ded m8
brandonorlowski ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:11:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He want on a vacation to a happy meadow, honey.
jmacman12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:09:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At first I thought Luke was trying to abolish the notion of the Jedi and create some new form of grey force user. Now, I'm really unsure. It just seems like he's trying to shun the whole notion of the force when he uncovers who Rey is or what her potential is. I dislike that the writers are portraying Luke as an old hermit, parallel to how obi wan and Yoda did in the original movies.
Beercorn1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:09:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snoke using the Force to mindrape Rey and make her bend over backwards looks like itโs going to be a creepy scene.
vhiran ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:24:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
who needs lightsabers
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:09:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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FrankWhite2479 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:10:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What leaked shit? Link? Pm?
m0uzer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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BeyondModern ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just one thing, is it me or does Chewie look like awful CG? (it's a trailer, so it's probably not finished but really he looks bad.)
*I think it's a CG mouth on a real body?
CybertronianBukkake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought the same thing. It's like his fur doesn't move.
BeyondModern ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:15:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It actually looks like to me that his mouth is CG, like the shot didn't originally have him roaring and then they added it in post on top of the real footage. Or he did roar but they made an attempt to make his mouth super detailed using CG?
popcrnshower ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They gonna turn Rey heel
thebrownmancometh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:05:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo-Rey double turn ?
popcrnshower ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:26:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
sure hope so, that would be a swerve!
mintyfisher ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok but can we talk about that gerbil/penguin thing bleating with chewie?
TheStarVenge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:16:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if when Luke says he's only seen power like this once before he's referring to Palpatine's force lightning. He said I didn't scare him then, and I didn't until it was used on him. It would have destroyed him if not for Vader. Rey is a Palpatine anyone?
winslowpete ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:16:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
REY IS GOING TO THE DARKSIDE!!! FUCK YES
flamin_hot_keto ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:17:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
0% confirmed
winslowpete ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:17:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
100% MAYBE THOUGH!!
coolhatguy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:21:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
valid, i'm on board
wrex779 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:17:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Prediction: Snoke is actually Darth Plageuis the Wise
Jedi-El1823 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:20:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm going with him being Darth Bane.
Yellooooooow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:17:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Too thin to be bane.
Bojangles657 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:48:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's a completely new character, they've already said that. I'm almost positive that lots of elements of Plagueis from the book are being adapted to Snoke though. Same with Kylo and Rey for Revan and Bastila as well.
WCC5D1F0E ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:17:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy crap is Rey a descendant of Palpatine?
LegionofDoh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:19:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't get the people crying spoiler. A spoiler implies you know something now that you didn't know before. We don't know anything. We're still speculating and guessing. Nothing was spoiled, technically speaking. Just some leading and possible misleading clips strung together.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:25:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:30:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What are you freaking out about?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:33:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:35:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You do realize that people can change after 30 years and he's been through A LOT since then, right? If that doesn't make sense to you...
mearry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:27:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke has always sucked
Foxprowl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:26:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh. My. Science.
ResolverOshawott ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:27:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
WHAT A FANTASTIC THING TO WAKE UP TO.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:34:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Found the Aussie
ResolverOshawott ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:30:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Am in the Philippines actually.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:35:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
k
eatmymonkey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:28:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is one of the best movie trailers i have ever seen. Let's hope the movie is the same.
Green117v2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:30:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course I will see it, but this trailer didn't hit any feels like the build up I had to The Force Awakens trailer.
metalsluger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:31:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That shot of Kylo leading the stormtroopers reminds me of this
Revaq_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:31:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone else think snoke's eye (non fucked up one) look a lot like palpatine?
masoe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:32:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've seen it 5 times already. Anyone wanna join me for a 6th?
Vaderzer0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:32:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just want to know how "spoilery" were the spoilers?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:33:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kinda hope Phasma kills Finn in that battle scene. If itโs gonna be a dark movie some dark stuff should happen. I predict we lose Leia and Finn
Jeranda ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:34:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know its just the trailer, but Finn does not seem to be as "major" in this movie at all. First trailer was just him sleeping, and this trailer he wasn't shown that much either, just a few action shots. Obviously its just the trailer, but I hope they don't cut down on his importance.
jonsnowme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:42:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed! Heโs my favorite of the new kids.
aldorn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:34:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Misdirected at the start. He is speaking to jar jar
milesbergs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:35:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snoke is Luke, that is my hot take from all of this. Their words mirror each other too much not to be, and I bet they are both talking to Rey and not Kylo.
milesbergs ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:35:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also, Snoke and Luke have the same eyes.
Useless_Poop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:36:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just hope that penguin thing doesn't die
Mace_and_Lando_unite ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:38:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Darth Jar Jar confirmed.
Njdevils11 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:39:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That was a hell f a spoiler to just drop in a trailer like that.
Zark_Muckerberger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:40:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yousa thinkin...yousa people gonna die?
Cookieverse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:45:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AT-ATs. Snow planet. Pretty sure those were snowtroopers following Kylo, too. It looks alright, but I can't help but think it's going to take a lot of cues from Empire Strikes Back like how TFA did A New Hope.
NickMoore30 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:45:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo Ren redemption story is in full force. He is seen about to kill Leia, but I'm betting he resists his command and saves her instead. By killing his past he isn't referring to killing his parents, he is talking about killing his Sith training and killing off what he did to his father. He is letting that part of him die. Then we see Kylo with a healing scar in the end. We no longer see the black, which is not consistent with how Sith normally deal with injury. In the past scars have only worsened. I believe the healing his symbolic of Kylo healing from his sins, but showing the scar will always remain.
AperfectScreenName ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:47:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iโd watch a Kyle Ren movie too. If heโs anything like my friend Kyle heโs gonna get into some hilarious hijinks.
NickMoore30 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:54:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dammit I tried to edit that out immediately.
DreamingofFlorida ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:59:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree! We also see the same kind of look that happened between Luke and Leia in Empire Strikes Back. But I bet this look is between Kylo and Leia. His mother is the one who gets him to turn from the Dark Side. I also think it's Leia he's reaching his hand out to at the very end, not Rey. It could also be Luke. But I think with either one, it's in friendship.
Good theory!
XxICanDoThatxX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:48:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like the Wrath of the Lich king trailer? Like that kinda speech almost
infestedjoker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:02:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First we have game of thrones stealing WOTLK and now star wars shit lol.
ET3RNA4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:51:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Watching that made me insta buy 4 tickets to the nearest AMC for December 15th. I don't care about the money tbh, I'm going to remember this event and tell my grandkids about it. Now I need to find 3 friends.
LanikMan07 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:04:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ill be your friend
Obi-Juan16 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:52:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Chose not to watch it since Mark Hamill and Rian Johnson spoke out against it. Those of you that did, do you feel like it spoiled some things or not?
midnight93933 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:55:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A little, but honestly it's stuff you would expect with Ren, I don't feel spoiled
MakVolci ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:55:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There could quite possibly be a bunch of spoilers. Seems like there's some misdirection though.
SealClubbr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:59:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's for sure some misdirection. No way would they spoil anything or give away any serious parts of the plot. RJ/KK are smarter than that.
infestedjoker ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:55:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It did...don't watch.
Duder211 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:57:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol. All these lame ass people congratulating OP on his karma.
thedaddysaur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:02:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly not loving the idea of him being so scared as to hide and fear an untrained Rey. Luke should be overpowered as fuck.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:04:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They have to hype up her artificial and unearned powers.
WeylandCorp4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:08:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True
for_the_revolution ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:15:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Based off of what? We have no idea what experiences he had between VI and VII. His reasons for being terrified could be completely justified.
WarWolf343 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:11:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I had zero interest in this film, but now I'm intrigued, mostly by the ending of the trailer. It would be an awesome twist if the main protagonist and antagonist team up for their own ends.
c0rtexj4ckal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:12:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rey gettin' the force TORTURE. Come one Rey, quit getting captured.
Remodulate_It ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:13:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Those AT-ATs have been modified, you can see they have an almost ape-like structure to their front legs. The legs also look reenforced, maybe they took some lessons from Hoth. If you look closely they're also much bigger than the original AT-ATs where is the first order getting all this money?
VanguardN7 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:21:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the whole idea is that the First Order is the smaller but more prepared military government. This is to contrast Resistance that is more of a private army on vendetta. They may just be going about the AU stories/timeline but in a different way (Galactic Federation/Alliance).
shadowdra126 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:14:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So should I skip it like the director said? Or go ahead and watch?
Bojangles657 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:57:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know nothing for sure, and have watched it four times. It pretty much gives us things to speculate on, and someone is bound to get it right eventually.
evbomby ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:21:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably late to the show but in the scene right after we see snoke it looks like Rey is right in front of him while she's screaming bent over there.
Irapememes ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:21:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No shit
evbomby ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:25:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks
cschulein ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:21:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It would be awesome to see Luke as Snokeโs true apprentice just as his father was to Palp. There could be some use of Kylo being chosen to lure Rey to Luke (through โchanceโ engagements with Han, etc.) and playing them both in hopes of enticing her raw powerโs potential to the dark side by building her trust in Luke through his training proving Kylo to just being a weak puppet as weโve already seen in TFA and this trailer.
This would not only be a huge twist and go against every angle teased, but it would unify two characters that have a natural gravity attraction to fight on the same side (Rey and Kylo) and create an absolute end of the Jedi with the Snoke/Luke collaboration.
Just playing devilโs advocate to the obvious theories.
coochiecrook1992 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:26:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think at the end of this movie it's going to be luke vs Rey and Kylo in the third one.
caboose979 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:27:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rey asking for help from Kylo, Finn wearing a FO uniform. Poe is the only good guy left at the end of 8!
Fragzilla360 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:35:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Chewbacca
DuncanShifter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:52:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And his new Furby.
riskbreaker23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:53:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rey asking Kylo for help could be a complete misdirection. Finn is infiltrating the FO, he's undercover.
icebox3669 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:27:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Am I the only one who thinks that Finn will turn out to be the true hero of the trilogy? Imagine Rey turns to the dark side, Kylo turns good. Finale show down Finn VS Rey. Kylo VS Snoke.
NoBordersFromOrbit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:29:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Awaken's promo material positioned Finn as the Jedi protagonist. I am guessing that this promo material uses misdirection similarly in suggesting Rey's turn to the darkside.
Heisenbergs_own ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:39:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My thoughts exactly. Just the right edits to make it look that way.
AbyssalKultist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:30:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you look really closely you can see Jar Jar in there.
for_the_revolution ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:39:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well duh of course I saw the shot with Snoke.
pablo_hunny ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:35:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can someone explain where Rey got her natural ability from... Is she related to someone and I missed it or is she just a chosen one?
sciencedenton ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:41:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No one knows. Some people says she's Luke's daughter, or Kenboi's granddaughter. One crackpot theory floating around says she's a Luke clone (like the Thrawn trilogy, the "original" Episodes VII-IX).
I don't like everything having to tie back to.old stuff though. I prefer the idea that she's just some promising young force user that Luke hid away before his new temple got rekt.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:43:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We are all in the same boat. No one knows that answer
JoblessSniper ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:41:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sheโs the youngling that killed everyone at the temple and not Kylo. (Itโs just a popular theory.)
lupiinoctourne ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:47:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
none of us can wait to find out. Interesting though that she was compared to Kylo Ren. Seeing his terrified face when she breaks the cliff...
GarugasRevenge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:42:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really hope there's not a, "Luke, I am your grandfather" moment.
GarugasRevenge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:43:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really hope there's not a, "Luke, I am your grandfather" moment.
Julianhyde88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:14:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anybody think that maybe Rey is going to kill Leia?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:39:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No.
Julianhyde88 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:39:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thatโs just like, your opinion, man.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:42:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus Christ. BL quotes. How cool.
Lukavyy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:58:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm definitely seeing this when it comes out, but I am concerned that it'll end up being clone #2.
The AT-AT scene is reminiscent of ESB, that's a no-brainer.
The whole Luke training sequence reminds me of ESB, even up to the point where the master initially refuses to teach because the candidate is too undisciplined, or, "untamed."
Kylo holding out his hand (presumably to Rey) looks like Vader trying to get Luke to join him. Ooh, I wonder if they're brother and sister, and Kylo is gonna have a reveal ร la ESB. Eh, probably not.
Dunno. I don't enjoy rehashed stories, and certainly not the most beloved story in the galaxy, but we'll see.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:58:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I still don't understand that first point. Ever since the teaser people have been saying that it looks like Hoth 2.0, but how? Because they use similiar vehicles? To me, isn't that like saying any war movie is a rehash if they use tanks? It makes perfect sense for militarizes to reuse and upgrade the same equipment
Lukavyy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:01:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's because they're all marching in formation. Super similar.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:29:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well that's what all armies have done.. Like, for all time
Lukavyy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:34:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but it's only happened in Star Wars once. I'm jus' sayin', if it turns out that they're marching toward a base of sorts and everyone's trying to evacuate, it's too similar.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:48:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So the bad guys aren't allowed to find the base? Or if they do they're not allowed to attack or the good guys can't evacuate because they did that before? It's just common sense that that would happen multiple times in multiple wars
Lukavyy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:04:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
NOT in multiple movies, however. Real life things happen more than once, of course, but life's boring and unoriginal--hence the need to experience something new and exciting. For a movie, such a level of realism isn't as enjoyable as it would be if the writers conjured up another scenario. Unless you're into overt throwbacks, but I'm not.
Speaking of AT-AT's, you'd think they'd learn and make their armored transports less top heavy and add more legs.
WearingMyFleece ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:49:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really donโt like the misdirected Disney are putting into the trailers, I really donโt think there is a need at all.
colonelcactus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:37:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean there clearly is a need in order to show some wham moments that pull in viewers without actually spoiling a huge amount. The reaction of some people here prove that.
LdnGiant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:11:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting. Naturally I'm hyped, but I feel that as a trailer, the first one was better. Nothing massively spoilery in there I don't think? It's over 2 hours long and we saw some of the sort-of snow planet, a bit in space, and some of ach-to. No way there won't be more.
patriot159 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:16:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That little Pokรฉmon is so cute. Also ice fox looks super cool
ZebZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:03:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Salt Fox
fackboi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:39:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where is Tom Hardy?!
anartistinside ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:56:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Trailor looks amazing, I am looking forward to go ahead and watch the movie in PVR. Also will make sure to create sketch video on one of the character on my YouTube channel. Best of Luck Star Wars.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:55:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
kinda ok trailer
burritobitch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:41:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh god for everyone that couldn't wait, was so worried that it would never come out. Oh gosh were all so thank ful
NorthernLaw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:41:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Commenting before locked lol but this trailer is amazing
auntberuslover ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:40:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
While the trailer looks good, I thought it was noticeable that nothing seen in the trailer is new. Everything we're presented with, we have already seen in numerous promo material e.g. screen grabs from books, toys etc. Still the photography is good and the colour palette.
The story implications are interesting, as both Rey and Kylo are clearly wrestling with identity and choices they have made/will make. A few red herrings here are there imply perhaps both central figures may not end up in the place we thought they would. This is further emphasized by Luke's line when he says: 'This is not going to go the way you think'.
But for me anyway, this trailer failed to elicit any reaction other than 'Oh, it looks good'. Didn't experience anything close to the euphoric reaction after viewing the final TFA trailer for the first time. Having said that, this is so much better than the underwhelming teaser we got five months ago.
JazzFan619 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:08:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo and Rey, sitting in a tree........K-I-SS-I-N-G. The theme music for the final will be, bow-chicka-wow-wow.
Snatch1414 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:54:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I liked it and it seems to be less cookie cutter than TFA (though to be determined). Only things I didn't like where the cutesy alien in the Falcon and Luke's delivery of "it does now!". Think they could've tried another take there.....
RomuRaf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:09:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't mind / care about the porg (I think that's what they're called), but Chewie looks weird as hell in that shot :/ how could they suddenly screw Chewie up?
The delivery was pretty good imo, but the line overall was cheesy as hell. Well, most lines were here.
Snatch1414 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:31:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ya I think Chewie looks a little more artificial somehow compared to the old trilogy I think.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:20:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Dragoryu3000 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:53:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes.
StarWars_and_SNL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have no idea where is the right place to post this theory but at almost 10k comments, adding my idea here won't make a scene.
I think Snoke's power is that he can remove the light side of the force from people. Explains how Rey could join the dark side and why Kylo did before.
Maybe because of Kylo's Very Good parents, he's still got some light side battling the dark within him.
StarWars_and_SNL ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:47:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Theory #2: Luke is the one who (accidentally) killed the younglings in training. This made Kylo turn away. The raw power that Luke speaks of is his own, the scenes where Kylo shows up with his knights during that whole mess was so that Kylo could punish Luke.
It's basically a real plot killing theory.
Aeon_Mortuum ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:58:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kinda like how Dumbledore was painted as super benevolent in HP but then we find out he did some not-so-nice things and I suppose that does give some depth of character, yeah
Ottott ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:47:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Transfer_essence
Snoke gonna snatch that body boi.
KidTheCurry ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:06:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is no such thing as "the light side". There is "the force" and "the dark side of the force". Where in the movies has anyone ever mentioned "the light side"? That is all video game BS.
StarWars_and_SNL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:22:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for your life-changing lesson in force semantics.
Alagorn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:31:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope that The Empire Strikes Back-like scene with the walkers and the base doesn't end up being the same as The Empire Strikes Back. Like don't have it at the start, etc, or do a spin on it etc.
sirpsychosexy94 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:56:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It seems that Episode VIII is going to develop the relationship between Rey and Kylo Ren more in-depth than Ep. VII. I think a good endpoint for the narrative of the Last Jedi would be the revelation that the prophecy of the Chosen One, which was once misread as applying to Anakin, and which is seemingly fulfilled by Luke at the end of Ep. VI, actually refers to either Rey, Ren, or both. The transformation of Anakin into Vader and the rise of the Empire signify a tilt of the Force towards the Dark Side, while Luke's ascension into a Jedi Knight and the victory of the Rebellion represent a tilt of the Force towards the Light. It could very well be that the role of Rey (the paragon of the Light Side) and Ren (the paragon of the Dark Side) in this trilogy will be to finally bring the Force into Balance together.
TL;DR Anakin turning into Vader/Rise of Empire = Tilt of Balance towards Dark Side. Luke turning into Jedi/Victory of Rebellion = Tilt towards Light. Rey/Ren = mixture of Light/Dark to bring Balance to the Force
GregThePrettyGoodGuy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:43:33 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs been stated time and time again
The prophecy was not misread - Anakin was the chosen one, and in destroying the Sith he brought balance to the force
Balance = Light > Dark
I think the idea could work, but if it were where they were going, they wouldnโt have Pablo Hidalgo repeatedly stating the above on his Twitter for all the world to see
DarknessInUs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:04:07 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where can I find the music that starts playing around 2:06 in the trailer. It seems like hyped up version of the official starwars theme. But I can't find it.
"Help me Obi-Wan-Reddit. You're my only hope"
a_grillizaly_bear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:39:39 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It hasn't been released yet.
oh-just-another-guy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:48:51 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
OMG 2:12! This movie is going to rock!
narwi ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 12:33:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It looks like this will be a replay of ESB in major ways. For example an ice base that Luke is on being assaulted by AT-AT look-alikes.
I find this very unfortunate, I was expecting more of Rian.
IV-IVm-I ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:33:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke isnโt there, itโs not Ice
narwi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:02:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"There" ? He is very clearly on that planet at 1:49
IV-IVm-I ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:05:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
thatโs Leia. โThereโ is the planet in question, called Crait
e: you know what, I have no idea. It looks like Leia to me, however I can see it looking like Lukeโs robe as well. Guess weโll have to see in Dec!
BigSnoke ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 00:02:10 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All the Rey crap aside i'm genuinely convinced that TLJ is going to be good, but JJ will ensure the ST remains shit with IX.
TLJ actually looks and feels like a Lucasfilm movie, and Rian seems to fit right at home with the company.
cpillarie ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:41:04 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ST Beyond was actually pretty descent, and being JJ didn't write the script for TFA, his job as director was really just to make it look pretty, which, let's face it, it did.
BigSnoke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:43:27 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He did co-write with Kasdan though and had help from Pegg as well.
ryansithlord ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:04:30 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't know why you're getting down voted lol it's your opinion if you don't like JJ
BigSnoke ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:43:08 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This place is full of TFA/JJ apologists.
Most of them like and have the same opinions of YT's like RLM/HelloGreedo too.
LightningSaix ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:49:32 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It surprises me how much people seem to like 7. It was very disapointing to me. Being a retelling of 4 was lame, Rey was a terribly written character, Phasma was a joke surely, Finn was cool though. And i liked Poe if you ignore that truly ridiculously goofy scene of his X-wing doing a loop and killing like every tie fighter and 3 squads of troopers. Didn't enjoy Kylo being a tempter tantrum throwing emo teen the whole movie, but i thought they could save his character in the next movie at least. TFA had some really cool scenes and moments, and it looked awesome, but the main character being so poorly written (little miss i am literally the best at everything ive never done before and have no flaws because screw you thats why) really ruins things for me. That on top of it being a copy/paste of 4 adds up to me not enjoying TFA. I also think the way they've handled Rey is really going to hold back this trilogy.
I think people just want to like it really bad. Its not the prequels, it has our favorite stuff from the OT, we desperate want it to be good and people are trying to justify that.
Rothberry77 ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 02:03:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
...could they not spoil the entire movie during a trailer...
bobafoot17 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 02:16:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, they didn't. So...
Borchers34 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:41:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finn fights the first order, Luke hesitantly trains rey, but when he sees her power he refuses, and she leaves, finding kylo ren, knowing he would be more willing to teach her. During the final battle, Kylo is going to hesitate to kill his mother. Contrasting this, Rey meets Snoke, who tells her the things we've heard, then uses the force to do something to her. Her allegiance is left in question at the end.
Justinwc ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:31:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
!remindme 3 months
Justinwc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:39:04 on February 8, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lol.
TrumpWillDieInJail ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:18:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yep you figured it out... not that hard to see how the trilogy is going to go with all the clues. it was obvious from TFA even that Kylo and Trey will switch sides at some point, only for Trey to redeem herself at the end of #9
Borchers34 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:16:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think that is the "twist" IMO, Kylo hesitates to kill his mother, General Tarkin, sorry Hux does instead causing Kylo to turn good and Rey turns to the dark side with her redemption in episode 9.
scrffynrfhrdr ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:26:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can't wait to be ultimately dissapointed by this film.
maynardscollar ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 02:22:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hopefully it's better than the last one.
Please let finn die. Please.
bionix90 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:43:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Droid, please.
Fungi89 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:44:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting. Why do you want him dead??
AnOnlineHandle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:26:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finn and Rey (and Finn's scenes with Poe) were the only bits I really liked about TFA. The world building and visuals were crap. :/
shmimeathand ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 02:25:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just said this! I hate him!
blu1996 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:32:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone feel like Luke sounds similar to Snoke? Iโm wondering if it might be a Wizard of Oz type reveal with Luke being our Big Bad for the Trilogy.
ZebZ ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:42:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it was clearly Andy Serkis.
blu1996 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:44:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean yeah heโs playing Snoke. That doesnโt mean Snoke couldnโt be revealed to be a hologram or shape shifting device for Luke. It would make sense for Snoke to be different from Luke, especially if heโs turned to the dark side and doesnโt want anyone to know.
vhiran ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:54:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
their eyes are creepily similar
but i doubt it. that said the torch needs to be passed one way or another.
jagfanjosh3252 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:00:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All. That. Karma.
SnakePlissken_34 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 13:04:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't mean to be that guy but, I feel like this is just going to be the "Empire Strikes Back" of this new trilogy. In theory, doesn't sound like a bad thing, but considering how unoriginal Episode 7 was I'm not all that thrilled. There were a couple scenes in this trailer that reminded me of Empire Strikes Back in there.
cpillarie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:40:01 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm really worried about this, too, but the producers are pretty adamant that this is not like any Star Wars we've seen before, so... fingers crossed? The whole Ray running off to stop the evil guy before her training is complete, only to be captured and tortured, the whole giant walkers closing in on a hidden rebel base. a few too many similarities, but then again, it could just be the scenes they are showing us
Cloudy_mood ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:28:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No Han in the trailer?
bluesox ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 07:00:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hot take: This trailer was bad as fuck, and I can't wait to see the movie regardless of whether I was spoiled or not.
sabre21asdf ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 02:28:20 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trailer sucks
BurkeTSAS ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:32:00 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This trailer is amazing
sabre21asdf ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:37:50 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No
BurkeTSAS ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:38:26 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What donโt you like about it?
sabre21asdf ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:41:24 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TFA music, action, crescendo was amazing. Now chewy looks 100% cgi
Ralph-Hinkley ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:46:09 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It gave nothing away, and was full of misdirection. I think Chewie will still be practical.
hanguitarsolo ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:18:36 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not CGI. It's most likely just a better mask that can make more complex expressions.
Bornado ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:06:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, thought disney was better then this. Spoiled the entire movie it looks like. Lets hope its all misdirection, but man. They have been so secretive then this trailer just gives away mountains. So strange.
HLAW8S ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:08:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We don't know that until the movie is released.
Druz1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:22:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm 99% sure a good chunk of it was misdirection. Like Rey asking for guidance and Kylo reaching out. I'd bet that sequence isn't in the movie in that order, she's more likely talking to Luke.
JaxTheHobo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:07:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why the fuck was the post to a tweet chosen over the multitudes of links to the actual YT video
Sourcing a video from Twitter is literally cancer
Congrats on your karma I guess, OP
Ascythian ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:37:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rey becomes Sith confirmed and rules the galaxy alongside Ben Solo as Empress and Emperor!
xProperlyBakedx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:20:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have to say, I wouldn't hate this...
pinstrypsoldier ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:15:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iโd watch the trailer but I stopped doing that a long time ago. They just show you too much nowadays. If I know Iโm going to watch it regardless, I wonโt watch the trailer.
jerkin_on_jakku ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:22:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah. Watch it.
pinstrypsoldier ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:46:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ha! You make some valid points, good sir. I shall reconsider my position. :)
Mackaf ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:10:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its really good. Nothing plot revealing in it and It makes your brain go nuts trying to guess
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:45:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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UPRC ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:34:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't pick up on any major spoilers, but there is a part where we see Snoke (not hologram Snoke, but actual Snoke).
Egyptman09 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:23:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
cool
RyutoAtSchool ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:20:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hereโs what I want - Kylo Ren to go full evil and stay evil. Someone from the main โheroesโ to fall to the dark side Some lightsaber fights out the wazoo
sid-darth ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:03:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did anyone else notice that luke appears to have a cybernetic arm all the way to his shoulder?
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:58:08 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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ELOGURL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:09:17 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
esketit
Okami_oki ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:12:16 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Will this be like when Beth found Tommy, in Rick and Morty? Dude with a beard all alone with muppets...
drosophila_ninja ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:46:04 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What has Luke been doing to those Porgs?
sabre21asdf ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:47:20 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teaching them that the out hole is sometimes the in and out hole
KaPr3 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 12:18:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I loved TFA, but I have a bad feeling about this...
Madjack66 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 04:24:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm confused - when does Iron Man turn up?
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 09:00:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HOLY FUCKING SHIT REYLO'S HAPPENING
Desecr8or ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:05:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If a trailer contains something that looks like a huge spoiler, it's probably not an actual spoiler.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, like when they destroyed Starkiller in TFA trailer, that definitely didn't happen...
SuhDudeCU ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:32:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
PALPY IS BACK
Wantazmo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:41:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not Palpatine
SuhDudeCU ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah no shit, just kinda looks like him
cpillarie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:01:37 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Darth Plagueis! please! i dont care what the producers say! I want it to be him!
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:30:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:44:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Should you see the preceding movies to know what's going on in a continuing trilogy? I think you can figure that one out for yourself.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:59:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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red5jam ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:01:54 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
... and then the hook set a little deeper...
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:03:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No...
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:05:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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red5jam ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:02:22 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
...and this is where I really started to laugh.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:06:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't. Start with 4.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:10:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:13:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you're just trolling. So cool.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:25:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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A_Shocker ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:52:47 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And beautifully executed.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:35:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A kinda bad one considering this is on the front page and any number of clueless people can wander in.
red5jam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:00:38 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah pretty sure nobody who's not already a fan is stumbling into a discussion on reddit about the just released trailer.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:47:23 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except it was on the front page of Reddit for a bit. So yeah, they would.
red5jam ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:01:25 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I figured this for a joke...
KingJamon ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 04:51:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Love that all the stoned Millennials are showing up to troll.
Kylo Ren is the only asshole of your type we'll ever pay attention to.
salaciousbumm ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:17:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Deflection at its finest
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 02:22:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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LaThugger ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:26:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
that was lukes hand
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 02:30:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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LaThugger ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:32:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
hes talking about kylo ren. its a flashback to kylo destroying the new jedi order luke was building and thats lukes hand coming out of the ruble
twat--waffle ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:25:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No..that's probably a flash back to when Kylo destroyed whatever school Luke had setup.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:30:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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twat--waffle ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:37:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think he was speaking about Kylo.
littletoyboat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:18:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not how trailers work!
kylehunter24 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:25:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Idk. Definitely not Vader. Thats one long burning fire
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 02:30:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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kylehunter24 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:31:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
M-I-S-D-I-R-E-C-T-I-O-N
JohnnyLeeTravolta ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:27:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I spotted that too!
deftPirate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:38:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like the same scene where Luke's academy is destroyed, and he is pulling himself from the wreckage before joining R2-D2.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 04:40:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wished they cast someone else as Kylo. The guys a great actor. But he doesn't scream "villian" to me.
timmypix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:54:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And you don't think that's the point?
littleendian256 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 10:03:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone else not in love with what they did to the AT-ATs? They look too aggressive with those "eyes", more like something you'd expect from of a community created Total Annihilation unit...
Fragzilla360 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:49:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Their โfeetโ are different. They are like knuckle dragging now.
KidTheCurry ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:24:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The new AT-ATs give me Battlestar Galactica vibes.
whozurdaddy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:47:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How did the "Resistance" become more powerful and capable than the Empire? Thats where I struggle with all this. Death Star? Pffft.. we can suck a sun dry and destroy multiple planets across the galaxy. AT-ATs? Ha. Ours could pick one of those up and toss it down the road.
The resistance is supposed to be remnants of the Empire.
PayForYourGas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:54:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I always wondered the same thing. Its a fractured force that's probably not even close to the size of the empire, yet their technology seems way ahead of what it should be and they turned a fucking planet into a giant death star.
bill2401 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:06:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean the first order. The resistance are the good guys. And they aren't stronger than the empire, they don't have nearly the fleet size that the empire did. They compensate by prioritizing quality over quantity. What few ships they have are really good.
whozurdaddy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:04:34 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep my mistake. Meant First Order.
AdamJensensCoat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:15:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They look out of place. The detailing is too 'chunky' and expressive for their scale. All of the OT & R1 stuff looked great because all details were on a human scale. These ATATs look like they've taken their proportions from SW Rebels.
But this is just a nit โ the effects look amazing and everything looks really heavy and convincing. Also seems like this kind of detail is isolated to these units and isn't a larger production design theme. Not gonna get hung up on this.
AnOnlineHandle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:53:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So so agree. Been saying this ever since the super black and scary ships of TFA were first shown.
Don't tell the audience that they're evil by putting horns on all of their heads and red visors for their eyes. The originals had them as utilitarian mass produced grays, which could belong to either side, and then showed us how they're evil with actual plot where they're authoritarian and fascists, etc.
It's the old show, don't tell argument in writing, and the new Star Wars design is a huge weak point that actually makes me a bit sad for the wasted potential.
BenSolo12345 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 11:53:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm gonna find it really hard to care about the B plot in this film. I'm so invested in Luke/Rey/Ben/Snoke that I really couldn't give two shits what Finn and Poe are up to.
I don't actually mean that, Poe is probably my favorite new character, but still, I have a feeling the A plot will overshadow the B plot here.
jar45 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 11:58:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The magic is gonna be in how they tie the two together. Because you could argue that was the same issue going into Empire Strikes Back.
Chakinfingerz ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 12:44:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I still believe she's a Kenobi
Logiman43 ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 05:41:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sooo. a copy of TESB? The empire attacking, the jedi training and "join me im your cousin" ?
Disney, you destroyed Star Wars.
knightofsparta ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:01:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rey is so turning to the dark side.
StarfishSpencer ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:04:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Damn that final shot of the trailer...100% it's edited to look like something it isn't but goddamn if it wasn't a jaw-dropper!
Frankocean2 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:04:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I got so many questions...like....the hell is with a 3-2 game is this soccer???
A_Freaking_12_Gauge ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:04:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone else get major chills actually seeing/hearing Luke finally talk?
BenderB-Rodriguez ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:04:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm wondering if the scene of Kylo (possibly) strafing the bridge where Leia is was originally part of the script/movie or added after Carrie's death :'(
gaslightjoe ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:04:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ok so i was not ready for that last scene
Science_Smartass ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:04:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
".... wuh oh"
That Porg is behind everything. I've seen it all before.
morton12 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:04:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't wait to learn more about the fall of Ben Solo under the care of Luke's Jedi School.
JakeM917 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:04:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lukeโs hair and facial hair are on point
billothy ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:04:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So we are going to have two new force wielders? Rey and Finn?
joshwagstaff13 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:05:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Youtube link to it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0CbN8sfihY
DlmaoC ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:05:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel the trailer did show a bit too much. Also wasn't really impressed with Luke's lines in what I saw.
dabilee01 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:06:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Youtube link for the lazy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0CbN8sfihY
joecb91 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:07:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My lightsaber is fully extended
Kinderschlager ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:07:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
oh fuck that last second
this actually looks promising unlike 7!
deftPirate ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:32:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looked like some Exorcist insanity going on with Rey in front of Snoke. I'm really, really conflicted about all that, and the prospect of Rey turning to Kylo.
vhiran ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:55:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
imagine if luke tried to immediately take on the emperor after hanging around yoda for a little bit. that's what it would look like.
deftPirate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:57:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty much.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:32:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The first order is still using AT-STs and At-ATs. People forget the first order is a creation of the remnants of the fall of the empire. I donโt like this but itโs not that bad I just wish there was more new vehicles.
RiseoftheTrumpwaffen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:36:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Youโre talking about a setting where the level of technology has been stagnant for like 5,000 years minimum.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:37:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What do you mean?
RiseoftheTrumpwaffen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:41:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Republic has stood for thousands of years with the same tech (blasters, hyperspace engines, etc)
The star wars setting doesn't change at all
Hell you had some Old Republic cruisers in Rogue One and those ARE 5,000 years old.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:42:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you think itโs justified? If what you are saying is true then I understand it but I still donโt like it
RiseoftheTrumpwaffen ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:48:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Justified in the setting? Yeah
Good? Eh thatโs debatable. They could try different shit but they did that in the prequels and I didnโt enjoy most of it.
timmypix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:58:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, out of universe those cruisers are based on the ones from KOTOR. In-universe KOTOR doesn't exist and while they're old cruisers, they're decades, not millenia.
RiseoftheTrumpwaffen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:33:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Huh TIL. Still the canon age of the Republic means tech is still pretty stagnant in universe.
abductodude ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:33:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TO THE TOP!
opthomas_primal ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:33:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As someone who is trying not to watch the trailer, can someone give minor details about the trailer?
llamadoomrider ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:35:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Misdirection
RiseoftheTrumpwaffen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:35:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thereโs trouble abrewing
The bonds of family will be tested
Training will occur
A choice will be made
Cute new species to sell toys to kids will be featured.
llamadoomrider ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:36:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Njdevils11 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:38:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke speaks. Rey is really fucking powerful. Snoke's face is even uglier (in a good way) IRL. Kylo is moodier than ever. Finn is alive and well though maybe not if Phasma shoves that pike up his bum.
Rocket80 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:54:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can watch it and easily convince yourself that anything that looks like a spoiler is just misdirection.
lmurphy213 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:19:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just watch it.
Icculus33_33 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:35:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But what about the droid attack on the Wookies?
Bringyourfugshiz ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:38:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did anyone else think it looked like it was filmed differently? Its like they are doing what they did with The Hobbit and that did not go over well...
RatchetBro ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:42:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I CCCCCCCANT SSSSSTOP CCCCUMMMMMMINGGG!!!!
bionix90 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:45:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can't stop, won't stop.
devil_dog_0341 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:43:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow. Two great trailers this week. JL & This one. I cannot wait!!!
Ihavetheinternets ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:46:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I expect it to exceed my expectations, which aren't very high after this trailer if I'm being honest. Though I think that's a good thing, I'm interested enough to buy a ticket.
connorstory97 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:08:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey everyone! This guys interested enough to buy a ticket! ::round of applause and cheering::
magician-gob ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:55:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i'm afraid i just blue myself
Manaleaking ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:57:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AHSOKA WHERE ARE YOU
Ryanbrasher ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:58:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In Rebels season 4
spreedom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:07:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hitting the RAW roster at TLC!
ChurchOfRallys ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:57:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This made me horny
deep_space_cloud ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:58:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Loth Wolves? Did I just see a real live Loth Wolf?
RiseoftheTrumpwaffen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:00:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They arenโt real so no you didn't.
Also the trailer was prerecorded.
HarryPotter20 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:58:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can only get so erect.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:06:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Legsofwood ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How did you come to that conclusion?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:39:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Legsofwood ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finn is undercover, we've known this for awhile. He's wearing a FO officers outfit as a disguise
Slimy_Shart_Socket ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:06:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
NEW THEORY!!!!
What if Rey goes to the Dark side with Kylo near the beginning right, and then when he is sent to kill Leia he can't do it and switches to the light side.
Star Wars loves throwing Plot Twists in their movies. With the Episode V, Vader is Lukes father. In Episodes VI, its Leia is Lukes Sister. In Episode III its Palpatine is Sidious.
brandonorlowski ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:09:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm with you on 2 of those.
Bojangles657 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:56:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Palpatine was given his name in episode 6. So anyone who picked up on that and made the connection of Senator Palpatine being elected Supreme Chancellor at the end of episode 1 knew who it was all along.
LordSugarTits ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:09:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is Samuel Jackson coming back or not?!
bionix90 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:15:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Does Supreme Leader Snoke look like a bitch?
Fragzilla360 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:16:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah heโs coming back as Billy Dee Williams
Zainox ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:09:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
POTENTIAL SPOILERS IN LINK!! So, I was too lazy to find the original video. But it's in this top 5. It has a comment mentioned that may bring light to this trailer.
https://youtu.be/994gjmt4ge8
EDIT: It's top 1 of the 5 in the video.
kingstannis123 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:09:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Speculation: The movie will open just like Empire, but the First Order will wipe out everything on the faux ice planet. Sorry Leia, doesn't look like any shuttles are getting away today. But, like it's kind of a down note if this is the case. Tonally how will this be any different than Empire? There's still a constant down-note theme...
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:10:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
what the fuck what the fuck what the fuck what the fuck what the fuck
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:12:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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InnerMaverick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:19:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're the same color as when she arrives to meet Luke in TFA
gyutop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:28:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same color, different outfit.
commander217 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:16:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Please tell me smoke isnโt Jocasta nu at 1:58.
ClutchCobra ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:17:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Really hope we can see some intriguing world-building and not a "recycling" of worlds past - one of my favorite aspects of the OT was the fact that worlds were so unique and fantastical. It really made for a hell of an experience
dpaugh ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:18:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly Iโm so excited for new meme content! Maybe we can move past some of this weeks extremely exhausted content
lnclincoln ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:23:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ugh.. why did they show rey and snoke together. huge spoiler.
BillyBatson101 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:23:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone else think the fox things look like they're from Game of Thrones?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:29:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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morroIan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:33:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He has a scar where the stitches were in the last shot.
kaysho91 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:41:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=usZh7qOQV8w
schmuck-in-plaid ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:01:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anybody else have a brief panic attack with the part...??
Shoryuhadoken ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:29:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
no, she dies.
Barbzyy ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:25:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo looks much less epic with a band-aid on...
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:33:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Mackaf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:15:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke is afraid because he failed with Ben Solo and he doesn't want to train Jedi anymore because of failure
atomicbeecat ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:08:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finn joins the DarkSide.
You heard it here first folks.
HK-47b ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:36:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
His love of his friends will be his undoing.
Alanosbornftw ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:24:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This movie needs to be serious and it has Chewy with alien penguins........RUINED!
PilkingtonPies ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:43:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kinda thought it looks way too colourful/cartoony. Didnโt like the trailer. Letโs see how the final cut is, VII looked awesome so maybe theyโll pull it off.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:12:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like how it says no spoilers, but the trailer seems to just throw them out there
thundabot ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:16:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not watching this, going to try not watch the trailer for two months...wish me luck
rensch ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:59:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm kinda confused. There's some intentional misdirection here and I'm kinda cool with that.
amedyth ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:45:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo Ren better put his helmet back on!
IhaveSonar ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:34:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
10,000th comment
str8pipelambo ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 03:05:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Completely underwhelmed by this trailer
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 03:15:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This trailer looks like hot-garbage.. I'm sure everyone's just completely engulfed in nostalgia still. I mean i was at first until I stood back and noticed how bad TFA really was.
Legsofwood ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:17:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then leave
AnOnlineHandle ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 12:40:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It feels a bit like it doesn't offer anything new from what we saw in episode 7 (aside from Luke being some moody jedi hermit, which even that was implied in that one scene).
Kylo is onto another parent, Finn is back to fighting with Phasma, Rey is learning to be a Jedi again, Kylo is offering to train her again. I guess we can maybe thank the trailer for not spoiling anything, but at the same time it fails to build any hype with me since it's just suggesting more of the same old, without offering anything new.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:32:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Hubers57 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:33:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let you know in 66 days
Jedi-El1823 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:34:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's a bad number.
RiseoftheTrumpwaffen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:38:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nothing from the trailer points to that yet. Have to wait till it comes out to be sure.
Snf4le ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:25:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No because no one saw the movie yet. I'm think most of the implications this trailer makes are deliberately misleading.
guiltycitizen ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 09:36:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have an erection
joymode ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 13:48:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rey kills Leia for leaving Han. Mark my words.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Fragzilla360 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:49:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What is it you are looking for that would make it an R?
KidTheCurry ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:58:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently he wants language, which really has place in the Star Wars galaxy except "damn" and "hell". Maybe he wants blood and gore, which never seems to make any movie "better" except in the case of films like Kill Bill or horror films. Does he want sex? Even GoT cut back on all of the sex because of how much time it wasted in the show. Maybe this guy wants adult themes? But I am not sure what he wants as far as that is concerned.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:03:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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KidTheCurry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:08:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, it really does not make any sense at all. I am all for R rated romps, but that is so inconsistent with the Star Wars galaxy.
gilbeythebeast ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:17:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's time for some inconsistency then!!
KidTheCurry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:32:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok. Fine. But please elaborate. Please.
KidTheCurry ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:56:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But every single Star Wars movie has been kid friendly with cutesy shit except Rogue One and Revenge of the Sith. Even Yoda in Empire is the cutest little guy ever whenever you meet him for the first time. Considering that TFA made essentially a BILLION dollars at the box office alone in the US, I doubt making adult Star Wars film with an R rating would "KILL at the box office". Come on, now.
gilbeythebeast ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:04:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ya, wasn't Rogue one fucking Amazing!! Anyways, the prequels were crap, with Revenge of Sith being so so. Notice how the violence & intensity level bumped up in that one? The audience grew with the those films sure, but anyone who says Phantom or Clones was better than Revenge is bananas. Empire is definitely the most violent/intense of the original trilogy and considered by many to be the best. Notice the bump in violence & intensity in that one? Truth be told perhaps an R rating might be too much, but SW, I feel needs to cut it with the kiddo shit and bump up its intensity 10 fold. The Batman revamp with Christian Bale which came in at a hard PG-13 rating revitalized Batman. Noticed the bump up in intensity of that trilogy compared to its predecessors like say Batman & Robin or Batman Forever? I don't remember much kiddo bullshit in the Christopher Nolan Version which destroyed all predecessors before. I agree all SW has been kiddo friendly besides Rouge. I just wish they'd ditch all the kiddo BS. Thoughts?
KidTheCurry ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:33:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Now THIS is a well written response and a logical argument. I completely agree with you on this.
cpillarie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:49:59 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Revenge of the sith was a weird bag for me, it had it's insanely dark moments, but it honestly just made the silly bits really awkward to watch. I understand they probably threw those in there to lighten the movie up, but it really did just make it feel really weird, as if it didn't know what it wanted to be
lategame ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 05:31:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Another strong female lead in an action movie. Wake me up when the next one comes out.
finkramsey ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 06:07:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What difference does it make that it's a female?
HK-47b ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:44:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Females prefer male leads that are sexy men, like Will Ferrell. Trolololo
PersianImm0rtal ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 05:50:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed.
jkillab ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 02:03:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How do you show a spoiler like that in a trailer
PurifiedVenom ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:17:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because it's obviously a misdirect? Seriously how do half the people on this thread not get that?
jkillab ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:18:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah my bad you clearly know more than the blatantly implied plot arc for someone that kinda has to die early on
PurifiedVenom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:53:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean it's painfully obvious that it's a misdirect, if you can't see it I really don't care to argue with you over it
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:15:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because its probably a misdirect.
skafo123 ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 07:21:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wish they made a Star Wars movie again for once where the villain isn't some whiny emo teen.
And one that isn't so utterly and overly pathetic/melodramatic and predictable. Lost any interest in the franchise by now.
cb75 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:56:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ok bye
LdnGiant ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 08:02:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah they've made 4.
skafo123 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 08:51:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes should have said "made one again for once". Edited.
HK-47b ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:28:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I only watch it for the pew pew.
pilriot ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 07:28:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think its because of all the backlash from jar jar binks - I personally love episode 1 but all these fans lost their minds because of the humor and it wasnt exactly like the star wars movies in the 70s
since then its all zero humor, and purely exactly what people expect - the fans dont know or care and will blow their load with this movie regardless
Tasteful_Dick_Pics ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:31:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is just objectively wrong. TFA had tons of comedic moments in it. Rogue One had its moments as well, for example, the "are you kidding me, I'm blind" line.
Episodes 2 and 3 tried at times to be funny, but mostly fell flat.
skafo123 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:40:36 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I watched The Force Awakens. Was ok for a while despite knowing what the deal with Rey and Finn would be. Kylo Ren was pretty cool at first - then came the scene where he takes off the helmet and I'm like "for fucks sake why".
I agree with you though, but just one addition. They're obviously just milking the cow without taking any risk anymore - which is lame as fuck imo.
It's why we only get shitty reboots and sequels instead of more original content. More movies like Inception or Watchmen please. It's the same with games. I'm sick and tired of sequels and reboots.
Mackaf ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 09:01:44 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's wrong with rogue one? It was the best since empire
KrampusBeats ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 02:59:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I still think Snoke is Tarkin
jamisonv ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 03:25:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
99% incredible. Porg and the ice doggy look stupid.
stupidtyonparade ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 03:59:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the trailer for the force awakens was so much more epic. there was so much hype, and the way it was structured built up so well. and the music, oh my god, calling back to the old themes....it had me so excited.
i still think this movie will be good but this trailer was underwhelming. the music didn't sound like star wars, luke's dialogue about seeing "this kind of power before" was so cheesy, and the cgi chewie was annoying as hell. i thought star wars was past that shit.
Gtdude44 ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 04:12:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Calling it now, Snoke is the last Jedi...aka obi wan. Rey turns bad, Luke is bad.
Egyptman09 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 07:44:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How spoilery is this trailer before I watch it :S
Jrippan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:30:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not really that much, its just full of misdirections to make people think stuff ;) It wont spoil the movie by watching this one
Egyptman09 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:23:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
cool
v13us0urce ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 08:21:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Non related question. What do you guys think would be a good way to get into this movies? I kind of want to see the new ones because the look pretty cool. I have tried to start from the first one but they seem so old and boring. What would be a good movie to watch first that doesn't have a lot to do with the previous ones, and then maybe I can go back to watching the old ones later?
unholysmoke ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:15:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you want to just get a feel, just watch the newest one, Episode 7 The Force Awakens. If you like it, check out the originals from the 70s and 80s.
Tenrac ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:30:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you haven't figured it out by now...
Flables ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:51:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unfortunately the original movies are never going to have the exact same impact as it did 30 years ago, those movies were so influential to movies that came after it, you will not feel like your seeing s brand new universe for the first time.
AnOnlineHandle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:45:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A New Hope can be dreadfully boring to watch in full - I remember trying to introduce somebody to the series but realizing just how bad the original is as we did that one - but it does have some great world building moments that pay off later. I recommend getting through it to get to the 2nd and 3rd original movie which really tightened things. Imo Return of the Jedi is still the best.
Watching them in release order is probably best as it's the way that the story was told, though Rogue One technically takes place right before A New Hope and ties in very cleverly, so might be a good starting place. It's also full of long slow moments until the awesome final section of the movie, so that would be two slow movies in a row, but also sets the stakes for ANH so much better, and you'll see crossover characters etc.
Mackaf ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 08:54:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Machete order. Do rogue one 4 5 6 1 2 3 7
cel_ad0r ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:17:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Machete order is Rogue 1,4,5,(1)2,3,6,7. Isn't it?
But if this guy doesn't like the OT, I say just give up now.
v13us0urce ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:10:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe you're right. I'll maybe just watch rouge and this new one just for the cinematography and CGI they look great.
Smallgenie549 ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 02:02:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Whoa. There are some major spoilers in the trailer.
Fucking hyped though, and I'm not even a big fan of Star Wars.
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 04:26:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Im that one guy who never seen star wars. I'll just pass by in peace.
-Koneesha24- ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 03:39:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm still mad they moved his scar....
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 11:35:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:20:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, who?
PersonFromPlace ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 15:55:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo Ren was portrayed in the way that Anakin shouldโve been. Shouldโve started out as a young teen romance with Padame, but kinda had the characteristics of a fucked up trenchoat Colombine kid. He couldโve been layered with potential and a good heart, but tragically haunted by his upbringing, and emotionally protective of the ones he loved to a fault.
cpillarie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:00:32 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really wish his slave past played a bigger hand in him turning to the darkside. They would have set it up perfectly in The Phantom Menace, after having learned the Republic won't do shit about slave owners in the outer rim territories, Palpatine slowly convinces him that if they overthrow the republic, they can together end slavery in the outer rims with force
PersonFromPlace ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:41:08 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow canโt believe so many people disagreed with me. I always imagined a disturbed teen like from Chronicle or Looper would make it feel a little more tragic and interesting.
BRK20170121 ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 07:49:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So Im guessing episode 9 they will be blowing up another Death Star. Am i really the only one that was annoyed by episode 7 being a new version of episode 4? The Rogue One was a really good movie the rest of the series is just the same old thing over and over again. Just do the spin offs and see where that goes
[deleted] ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 10:18:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm going to be honest here: this doesn't look too good. Just like in the previous movie, it seems quite likely that Daisy Ridley will be an overall annoyance, and the hype for both her character's and Kylo Ren's respective powers seems out of place. They aren't loving fan favourites, and I would hate for their strength to, in regards to lore, outshine the true favourites of Star Wars like Obi-Wan Kenobi, Darth Vader and Yoda etc. Seeing as how much of a disappointment I found "The Force Awakens", I'm going to keep sceptical of this one.
Cscactus ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 12:10:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course I'll go and watch it!
I must say it looks more like a Harry Potter movie than a Star Wars movie!
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:13:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It feels different and it looks like they'll be a lot of moving parts to it. Exactly what I was looking for after how they did VII
ProfessorDerp22 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reminds me a bit of Empires.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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timmypix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:52:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She filmed it before she died. No CGI.
Mas_Ciello ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ummm feel like this trailer was super spoiler heavy
Sounds definitely like Snoke was talking to Rey judging from the soundbites and later scene
and wtf just outright showing Rey and Kylo joining forces? pls be a misdirection
BigDickRichie ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Porg and Chewie doing battlecries brought a smile to my face.
jkillab ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:04:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mark hamill shouldn't have lines
RiseoftheTrumpwaffen ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:04:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah she totally cuts that hand off. Not even a question.
cahmstr ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:04:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is it a fake out? Is it real?!? What's going on?!? December can't come fast enough!!
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:04:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
WAS THAT A LIGHTSABER FINN HAD YOU'RE FUCKIN ME
chris10023 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:17:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looks more like that stun baton that we saw in TFA
beall49 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:07:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Meh. Felt kinda goofy/forced.
myluckranout ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:09:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke better die in this film.
thelazt1 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:17:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So whatโs the plan after this trilogy??
Can I recommend remaking the prequels
Or KOTOR reven story line?
stephensmat ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:18:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ha! I knew it!
https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/62z1od/what_if_rey_isnt_the_good_guy_spoilers_for_tfa/
Richt3r_scale ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:20:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I donโt see it
stephensmat ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:25:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Deep down, me neither; but it feels more plausible now than it did. (Happy dance) I love being right! I mean, I'll be happy if I'm not right, but I love being right!
jgreenz ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:24:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snoke for sure Palpatine.
vhiran ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:37:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
lol, so now we know what would have happened if Luke went to take on the emperor after training with Yoda for a little bit.
mary sue status revoked.
theguywhoisright ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:39:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snoke is Darth Vader. Calling it now.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:43:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, why would he kill his master and save his son, just to become his master and want to kill his son...
theguywhoisright ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:45:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno... cause the dark side donโt give a fuck?
I was just throwing my hat in the ring, everyoneโs guessing, so Iโd thought Iโd get that one out of the way.
topredditbot ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:41:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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vhiran ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:43:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
mary sue status revoked...
TabletTeacher ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:49:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Prediction:
Rey and Kylo turn to the Light side while Luke has/had been turned into the Dark side. Snoke is the raw power Luke is talking about and Luke tried to kill Snoke. Snoke will redeem the Light side with Kylo and Rey while they hunt Luke down in the third film.
pylon567 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:17:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rey coming out of that water reminds me of the Horcrux scene where Dumbledore went on the worst trip of his life.
adLiberation ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:27:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luke turns to the dark side to get close to Snoke. I almost guarantee it is him over Rey.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:27:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
deleted What is this?
Drzhivago138 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 05:09:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's so dense. No, really.
Joggebro ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 05:09:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Boy oh boy, can't wait to get me some o' that super cute space penguin merchandise
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 05:41:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snoke? SSSNOOOoOOOoOoOOOKEE!!!
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 05:41:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snoke? SSSNOOOoOOOoOoOOOKEE!!!
Cristian888 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 06:06:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh great, now have to deal with 30 subs posting the same bullshit
AnObviousSkeptic ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:39:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snoke definitely captures Rey
Soliantu ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 02:01:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Grats on the karma m8
TrigglyPuffs ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 05:49:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looks worse than the Force Awakens
coffedrank ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 06:08:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I remain skeptical and hope this is not another fan service like the turd TFA
UniQue1992 ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 08:43:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think I have this movie figured out already. Cant wait for December tho!
But I dont like what Disney is doing with the franchise, it feels like they are making it to family friendly. I mean Star Wars always had that dark feeling arround it. I dont feel that here.. I cant be alone guys?
Anyway I am hyped for the movie, just wanted to share my thought.
Mackaf ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:52:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its a family film thats what lucas wrote it for its all archetypal stories
UniQue1992 ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 08:56:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But you know what I mean right? Ofcourse its a family film but you cant denie it looks more kid friendly than the older movies. The whole dark aspect is toned down.
Truufs ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 09:53:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah son killing his father and contemplating killing his mother is so light and childish.
UniQue1992 ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 09:57:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You clearly dont understand my point made. Have a nice day.
Truufs ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:22:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You too!
Legsofwood ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:20:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh no, a family film that's aimed at children, who would've thought from Star Wars?
lefifa07 ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 09:18:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hello there. First, do not patronizing me, your question was rude, there is no reason for me to be on this forum to talk my opinions about the trailer and not have watched the last movie. You're probably smart and do not have to be condescending. Second, I do not remember the scene where it is clear that the first order comes to know that it was Finn who helped directly in the destruction of the starkiller. I have plans to watch TFA before TLJ and I'm going to look for this scene. The scenes in the trailer which Finn appears are confused, I would like him to appear more to have a greater understanding of his role in the story. And his return to the first order to me seemed obvious, he would not do it because he wants to, but on the orders of the resistance. Once he hates the first order he would do anything to help.
ScousePenguin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:31:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did you mean to reply to a comment?
a_crankycodger ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:17:09 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but we should patronize you for failing to properly reply to whatever comment set you off in the first place.
jonsnowme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:46:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The angel from my nightmare.
lefifa07 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:31:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah guys that's was my intention, I'm new around here, but now I know how to properly reply to a comment. Thx to you all!!
Bikeboy76 ยท -15 points ยท Posted at 01:03:20 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is it just me or is Luke still a whiny brat? He has come full circle. They should have just let you go to Tosche Station and then none of this would have happened.
This trailer was very spoilery. Kylo looking out a window like Anakin. Kylo blows something up... Attack of the Porg. Greenland is on Crate? (Loot Crate?) Rey goes to the Dark side, nice one Luke. Everyone has carbon fibre now?
Not impressed by this trailer, TFA final trailer was just epic (better then the film really, well hope it is the other way around this time.)
And no sign of Benicio. My hope that he would be a grey force user and get in the three way duel with Luke and Kylo is diminishing.๏ปฟ
TomassTheTank ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:24:23 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think Luke is just the neutral. His dad was Vader, he tried to spread the jedi way, his nephew fucked shit up, now he is reunited with the Idea with teaching Rey, he recalls the power she had (compaired to kylo) decides not to teach her.
He pretty much evens out as a character. I think he has nothing to bring to these 3 films besides a staple for us to question Light v Dark.
Im by no means a "Starwars mega fan" i am just questioning this seris. The main idea is light v dark and how they always even eachother out!
In that case its Snoke (master) Luke (master) Kylo (Snoke apprentice) Rey (Luke apprentice)
Luke says "sike!!! Rey you to strong GIRL! I aint teaching you!"
Snoke says "Obey me Kylo!"
Kylo says "Sike! You "made" me kill my parents"
Rey says "Damn Luke why you so stingy!"
Rey finds awnsers through the dark!
Kylo trys to make up his sins fighting for the light!
End of Starwars!!!!
Rey is the last survivor of both the light and the dark!
She is the balance half dark half light. She is the sole survior.
In conclusion as a viewer: you understand the "balance" of the light and the dark. The dark wins some (ep. 1 2 3) the light wins others (ep 4 5 6) But all together its even!
Ep. Light 7. Dark 8! Balance 9!
Bikeboy76 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:37:39 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
sike sสษชk noun SCOTTISH/NORTHERN ENGLISH noun: sike; plural noun: sikes a small stream or rill, typically one that flows through marshy ground and is often dry in summer.
Did you mean 'psych'?
MasterOfNoMercy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:24:19 on October 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He didn't. I recall it always being said/written "sike" since Eddie Murphy in "Delirious".
TomassTheTank ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:33:28 on October 21, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why did you feed the troll!!! Haha
Bikeboy76 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:01:48 on October 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your ignorance is not my problem.
Dragoryu3000 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:01:48 on October 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Benicio's playing a slicer.
500Republica ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 02:02:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mark Hamill may very well win an Oscar for this film.
pctech86 ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 15:54:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who else was entirely unimpressed by the trailer?
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 02:13:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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garrettfinstad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:19:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The cute sidekick got a cute sidekick
Lord_Varys ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 02:20:29 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who the hell is Snoke
lefifa07 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 06:33:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
what I managed to put together from the TLJ trailer.
Until 2:00 the story is told in chronological order. With some scenes and frames out of order. It is clear to notice the lack of order in some frames like the flashbacks in which Luke is in the Jedi temple.
Although the story is told in chronological order at the 1:41 minute there is a scene out of order where Finn confronts Captain Phasma and this scene is important to the end of the trailer.
Minute 1:54 we have Finn accompanied by the Stormtrooper. In this scene there are many things that draw attention, such as Finn's body language and his clothes. Finn's clothes are very similar to what Kylo uses at the beginning of the trailer (minute 0:01 until 0:04) and this leads me to believe that he is not being arrested but rather commanding. His body language and of who is ashamed of his actions with a little anger and not of who has just been arrested and is afraid.
So if we consider that scene 1:41 is really out of order and that 1:54 comes before this scene, things start to make sense and we have the explanation for the end of the trailer.
It is also clear that the last scenes with Kylo and Rey are not the same scenes. The echo of Rey's voice shows us where she is. In a cave with Luke and everything she says in the scene is directed at him. But is it Kylo? Where is he? It's still hard for me to track down Kylo in this scene, maybe at the end of the AT-AT battle. But to whom does he reach out to the last scene? Of course it's FUCKING FINN. And this is how we see Finn back the first order, probably reaching some high ranking in the hierarchy as a Kylo informant. Next we have him confronting Captain Phasma in what may be the last major confrontation of the film between the two great forces. Probably by the end of the movie we will have Finn back in the resistance.
THESHITLORDCOMETH129 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:54:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed that the Kylo and Rey scenes are different, but I think almost everything else is wrong. Especially #5
We saw Finn defect. We literally saw him steal a tie fighter and shoot his way off a ship. Further, the first order knows he helped blow up Starkiller base. Why would they let him be an officer?! Also, from the "traitor" dialogue in the last film, you can deduce that the FO hates Finn's guts. Second, a Kylo informant? We see Kylo almost kill him at the end of TFA. Not to be rude, but did you even watch the last movie? There's nothing that suggests Finn turns.
Also, we see Finn fight Phasma... Why would he do that if he had joined the FO?
lefifa07 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:35:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.gamesradar.com/john-boyega-shares-an-image-of-finn-undercover-in-star-wars-the-last-jedi-theres-a-lot-of-chasing/
LelouchDSnow ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 07:26:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Does Kylo have a robot hand? Because when they show him(most probably) in the burned house he has a robot hand....
DataLythe ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:48:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's definitely Luke, just after his failing w/ Kylo at his new Jedi academy. The following shot in the trailer confirms this, as it shows the TFA flash back view of Luke's hand on R2, looking at the destruction.
Jrippan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:31:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thats a flashback from when his Jedi temple got destroyed. Its Luke
Le_sychophante ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:22:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thatยดs probally Luke.
BlazeBro420 ยท -27 points ยท Posted at 04:18:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just popping in to say I don't care about Star Wars and I won't be watching the trailer, or the movie
agentup ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:53:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
wanna talk about girls and stuff?
ordinator2008 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:53:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you like collecting downvotes or something?
timmypix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:47:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
....so why comment?
Stiandary ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 03:45:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs good, bit underwhelming, nothing to get excited for. Snoke looks stupid. Phasma looks badass The rest meh. Still canโt take Kylo seriously. Was so hoping to be blown away. Please donโt ruin Luke.
[deleted] ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 11:22:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Coppin-it-washin-it ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:27:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What leaked script? Sounds like bologna
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:16:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Coppin-it-washin-it ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:26:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right.... But do you have a link? Nothing on the search results I can find
pilriot ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 07:11:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
these new movies are nothing but brooding and pandering and nobody will want to watch them again a year from now
they should just release a new movie every single year - nobody cares about the quality, they just want the nostalgic thrill for the release week it comes out
_Ardhan_ ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 10:16:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If they have Rey turning towards the dark in this film, I'll forgive them for the shitty writing of TFA. That would be such a cool thing to explore, though I'm very curious how she would be tempted.
Agent_Switters ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 10:21:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Think about that for just a minute
eatmymonkey ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 02:11:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone think Luke is Snoke? I do.
ThriceGreatHermes ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 02:25:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Sigh"
The spoilers it seems were mostly true.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:30:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You do know that the trailer was complete misdirection, right?
ThriceGreatHermes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:40:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The first TLJ trailer confirmed that the spoilers/leaks were at least partially accurate, and the second trailer has given them even more credence.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:43:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, you mean the first trailer that revealed basically nothing?
ThriceGreatHermes ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:55:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Trailers slot in pretty well with the leaks.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:03:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then stop reading leaks, genius. -_-
ThriceGreatHermes ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:36:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's because I am a genius that I read the leaks.
rbarton812 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:31:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't dispair... There was likely a lot of misdirection.
ThriceGreatHermes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:40:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I read the TFA spoilers and they proved to be accurate.
The first TLJ trailer confirmed that the spoilers/leaks were at least partially accurate, and the second trailer has given them more credence.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 02:33:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Xx-TheKid2238-xX ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:36:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
uhhhhhh lmao u blind honey?
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 03:21:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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sageleader ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:24:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. TFA trailer and poster tried to make it seem that Finn was the jedi and lightsaber wielder. In reality it was Rey who had the force, not him.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 03:27:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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sageleader ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:30:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because they wanted it to be a surprise when Rey had the Force. Honestly I think it was smart because when it happened in the movie it felt more powerful, versus knowing she would have it from the start.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 03:32:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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sageleader ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:35:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because all protagonists have the force? I guess that means Poe and Finn do too, right? I'm not an idiot but it wasn't obvious from trailers and posters what was going to happen in the movie.
ripshit_on_ham ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:27:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Remember when Finn was gonna be a lightsaber wielding badass from the FA trailer? That's what it seemed like.
Turns out he just held onto it for a bit until Rey got it.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:28:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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ripshit_on_ham ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:33:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I saw plenty of comments back then. Plenty of speculation that he was just in a stormtrooper costume and not an actual stormtrooper, too.
jboys ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 03:35:11 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Was that the elf from The Santa Clause??
strictlyhappystuff ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 03:51:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
10 days before Christmas
jwgarcia82 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:04:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure when any movie released in the last few weeks of December says "this Christmas" they mean "This Christmas season".
strictlyhappystuff ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:09:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Obviously.
jwgarcia82 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:47:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh I see. So your OP was just a bad joke... Got it.
strictlyhappystuff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:32:53 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you're so damn clever
redditdude500 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 05:07:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I see Disney is determined to sell more Cylons. Did threepio shut down that compactor as well?
mooseman923 ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 05:45:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The empire strikes back.. Er...
whineysilver4838 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 06:51:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait so kylo ren defects and falls in love with rey and snoke looks like a palpatine clone?
Anything else major I missed?
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 12:32:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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MakVolci ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:34:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Explain
ZebZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:35:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Edge Lord is edgy.
cdrewsr388 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:36:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Brilliant.
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theHawkmooner ยท -19 points ยท Posted at 17:45:38 on October 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This trailer is insulting
salaciousbumm ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 02:09:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The "popcorn movie" crowd will love it. Ugh.
HankLago ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:19:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Star Wars has always been a "popcorn movie".
lolyouseriousbro ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 06:16:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just let it die already Disney.
cricketfluffernutter ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 02:18:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Terrible.
Could they have crammed more cliches and callbacks in it? โFulfill your destinyโ? Really?
Star Wars is just the same story retold every single time.
ocyries ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 02:37:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know this movie will be crap just like the last, but i still get excited about it. I don't get it. I just want them to stop since they can't make good movies
GoTigers07 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:43:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Last wasnโt crap but congrats on being that guy
ocyries ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 03:06:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I will give you that rogue one was better than the others but doesn't make up for how bad the others have been
Njdevils11 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:41:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man, just go with it. I decided I'm going to like this movie no matter what. Did the same with episode VII. Who gives a shit. It's a movie and it makes me happy. I'm going to embrace it, whatever it is. I chose a long time ago to leave synicysm at the door when it comes to Star Wars. If you can, I suggest you do the same. Makes the whole experience so much more enjoyable.
ocyries ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:01:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just can't with the movies, they just aren't good. Bad acting, bad writing, and bad directing. I love the star wars universe, but these movies...
Legsofwood ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:27:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm afraid to see what films you think are good
kyaelmoss ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 21:58:37 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I watched the trailer without sound but I can already tell how this is gonna go. From what I can see Rey and Kylo Ren are gonna hook up. Their baby will be the one to set balance to the Force. Rey will lose a friend (probably Poe/definitely Luke). Perfect catalyst for revenge later on....hope I'm wrong but Hollywood can't do anything but play it safe.
MinimalisticUsername ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:52:20 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
...how long do you think episode 8 and 9 will be, exactly?
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 02:01:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm just here for the karma.
Starscream057 ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 02:35:17 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thought they'd change Kylo's look a lot. But it just a scar on the face. Was hoping for a scrawnier maybe with a scruffy beard. I mean he doesnt look evil. Look at Darth Maul, dude can haunt you in your sleep
MakVolci ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:48:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To me, that's the point.
He doesn't look like a villian. We don't believe him to be a villian. He's trying his hardest to be a villian but dammit he keeps hitting snags. It's like why he wears a mask. He literally wears it to look cool and intimidating, because he is not on his own. Vader needed that shit to live. Kylo is just insecure. I think his awkward look is perfect.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:38:24 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
After watching him play a sex addict in Girls I just can't quite buy the villain thing
gatesofelgroth ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 03:11:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lots of spoilers.
the_fuego ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:13:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most likely misdirections
UknowmeimGui ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 13:05:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And he just stopped being black?
IV-IVm-I ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:32:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
what?
UknowmeimGui ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:10:05 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Idk what happened, I was replying to someone who was un-ironically saying that Snoke is Mace Windu.
thejokerofunfic ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:09:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
...who?
UknowmeimGui ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:10:17 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Idk what happened, I was replying to someone who was un-ironically saying that Snoke is Mace Windu.
LetsGoChuckTaylor ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 14:45:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, so wait, hold on. Out of all the things to focus on in this trailer: Finn being awesome and fighting Phasma, Phasma not being useless, more space battles, Rey's training, seeing Luke again, Snoke being on screen, the fact that Poe Dameron is the man of all of our dreams, what all y'all decide to get from that trailer is "YAY! REY WILL FALL AND BE EVIL! KYLO WILL BE THE HERO! THAT'LL TEACH THOSE WOMZ THAT THE FORCE IS FOR MEN!"
Like, I get it. You're mad that The Force Awakens took your toys away so gross, icky girls could play with them and that JJ Abrams was trying to perpetuate a white genocide or something. But come on. Grow up. Kylo Ren murdered Han Solo and they very clearly want Rey to be the face of the franchise now (though you wouldn't know it from the marketing, where the First Order is all over fuckin' everything).
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 14:50:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're really fucking angry over literally nothing
Try getting over it?
Prophetofhelix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:00:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I guess you don't remember all the old toys where Maul was on every bit of packaging around the phantom menace. And before that, Vader was on every toy package.
Lumicide ยท -15 points ยท Posted at 11:36:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't look good. I'm not saying whether or not I think it'll be a good movie.
:05 AT-AT's are now knuckle dragging imitations of the originals, why? Also, CGI looks unconvincing. "But the CGI is not done yet" bs. it's out in a couple months, it's either done, or it wont be finished.
:23-:47 the lightsabers look very dull, (as does the rest of the scene when the lightsaber is present). As if it's not outputting at full RGB. Also, 45 is a stupid looking shot, and 47 the thing looks like a cheap photoshop effect.
Space tonfa is still stupid, and still looks too heavy/bulky to be of any use. The only use for this sort of weapon is to stun people, and take them captive. The prequils may be mediocre, but at least the droid carried staff things looked nimble enough to defend against a lightsaber wielding individual.
1:32 Oh look, another space rabbit. Better not be able to talk, or be anything more than a pet.
1:35 glass is a milimeter thick in space. interesting. Might be a nitpick.
jar45 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 11:59:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You sound like a lot of fun.
MagmaManOne ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 11:50:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Might be a nitpick"
lol, you mean like your entire complaint list?
KidTheCurry ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:21:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. The dude is already complaining about a "space rabbit".
davidm89 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:16:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And "glass 1mm thick in space." Don't you remember how every other Star Wars movie was hard sci-if? Yeah, me neither.
davidm89 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:32:25 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Whether or not it looks like something you want to spend money to see in theatre is entirely your prerogative. A bullet point list of nitpick things trying to convince other people not to see something most of us have been looking forward to since December 2015 is a bit ridiculous. If you choose to see it and have fun watching it, who gives a shit if the CGI was jenky in couple places or the movie committed the cardinal sin of having thin windows in space? I say this as someone who grew up on and loves Star Wars: It's just a movie.
usmnt2015 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:39:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Besides the lightsaber look Dull in 1 scene, I cannot agree, you are being ULTRA nitpickie.
cpillarie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:58:04 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lightsabers usually look washed out when shot outside. Honestly, in the prequels, maybes its just because i was so used to the original trilogy so much, but the lightsabers looked more fake when they were outside because they were just as vibrant as when they were inside. I personally prefer the outside washed out look
Lumicide ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:27:11 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is pretty false.
(blade color is sampled from the middle)
*this is the only time your claim appears possibly true (but it's indoors).
**swinging the sword in the original movies, even in the Tauntaun scene, results in the blurred center of the blade being just plain white.
cpillarie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:58:06 on October 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
holy shit, I've been seriously out-nerded. this is actually very impressive
Texaz88 ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 02:50:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just hope they do a better job of digitally rendering of certain characters than they did in Rogue One with Lea and Governor Tarkin...Cuz it was piss poor.The dialogue didn't even synch up with mouth movements
Krative_Lifestyle ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:53:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Grand Moff Tarkin. holy shit man!
Texaz88 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 02:55:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah it sucked cuz Tarkin was a kewl hombre.I didn't mind the digital character so much.Just couldn't stop watching his mouth.Was like those Saturday afternoon Kung Foo movies Yeah I edited it.He deserved better than old fart.My bad
Skymildpacer ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 03:22:52 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This Christmas.... then is says it Dec 15.
natertots83 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:24:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs nothing new, they do it all the time when movies are released around Christmas.
Skymildpacer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:48:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I figured as much, guess no one else found it amusing as I got downvoted.
EddieViscosity ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 07:03:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FULL OF SPOILERS.
Do not watch it, seriously.
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 12:32:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That was a good movie! Glad I donโt have to see it for real now!
The trailer is basically every character talking to someone off screen with dialog that makes you โthinkโ theyโre talking to person A, but the โtwistโ is itโs actually person B (which is very easy to guess โ just go down the list) Literally the entire trailer.
Also, I love that the only word multiple characters can come up to describe the power/strength is โraw.โ In a single trailer! A bit heavy-handed to make connections to Darth maybe.
cpillarie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:43:57 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it's almost as if gasp they don't want to spoil anything
mazafoz ยท -17 points ยท Posted at 16:21:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its already dead, please stop killing Star Wars T_T
Fragzilla360 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:53:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How is it dead?
mazafoz ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:07:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like zombie-dead.
Borchers34 ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 03:28:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snow planet? fml
ItsBuckinFueker ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 04:05:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This trailer showed WAAAAAY too much stuff. I wish I had made it to the theaters until I saw a lot of those shots. Fuck this trailer.
kiekura ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:17:40 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What? This was awesome trailer. Did not spoil anything special but was still packed with action and great scenes. 10/10 trailer
ItsBuckinFueker ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:26:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No spoilers? This trailer is BARELY ambiguous. It showed way too much of the plot that previously knew little about. I'm fine with shots and lines that are tied to the story of the movie but this showed too much plot. I'm pretty sure the director said to skip this trailer of possible bc of the elements is gives away, it would be way cooler to see then first time in theaters.
kiekura ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:21:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This was just clever editing. Just like force awakens
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:40:46 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Literally no spoilers in that entire trailer. Take a pill.
siltola ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 00:37:56 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No CGI, of course. Leia is starred by a monkey? I prefer Star Wars Holiday Special I think.
Sentry459 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 05:52:15 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wat
bessann28 ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 02:31:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't look like a Star Wars movie. It looks like a soundstage.
whatsupneighbor ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 03:44:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Meh
PersianImm0rtal ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 05:49:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This trailer was cool, but this movie looks really shitty.
HankLago ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:15:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Care to elaborate?
jayhalk1 ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 18:05:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I get this right, you may call me your god.
Finn is the last jedi. Rey is the first Gray Jedi.
KidTheCurry ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:31:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What in the Hell is this gray Jedi shit? It is not even a real thing.
jayhalk1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:45:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sure is.
KidTheCurry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:30:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:48:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They've been widely referenced. Just Google it.
KidTheCurry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:54:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How about...no. Since it is nowhere in the films, Clone Wars TV show, Rebels TV show, or the canon comics. There is no such thing as a "gray" Jedi.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:03:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's implied, and the Journal of Whills mentions the "resolving of gray". What do you think Bendu was?
KidTheCurry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:07:57 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But this has already been addressed in another post. The Bendu was separate from the battle between light and dark.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:11:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok, and?
cpillarie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:52:57 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're mostly in the Knights of the Old Republic canon, which i understand is a bit of a grey area (no pun intended) in terms of Star Wars Lore
bulkheads ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:49:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure Ashoka was the first or one of the first grey Jedi, then of course Luke thereafter
jayhalk1 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:50:45 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know about Ashoka but I'm pretty sure luke isn't a grey Jedi. Edit. Or officially a master jedi
atomicbeecat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:04:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
LOL no fucking way. Pretty apparent Finn is a minor character meant to be the filler for Rey vs kylo arc. Look at the new toys and what not confirm this.
jayhalk1 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:29:53 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol. You are goin down asshole.
[deleted] ยท -30 points ยท Posted at 10:26:10 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you think this looks good you are officially braindead.
Fragzilla360 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 10:47:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People who write stuff like that are usually immature children.
[deleted] ยท -15 points ยท Posted at 11:10:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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brutallamas ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 11:18:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Takes one to know one.
MAX_tmpu ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:56:54 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why don't you like Kevin Costner?
bill2401 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:02:13 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mature adults usually don't feel the need to insult a stranger's intelligence because they like a movie trailer.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:52:47 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or to pat themselves on the back by pointing out other people's immaturity.
Coppin-it-washin-it ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:30:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry your imagination died with your childhood.
Go back to r/the_Donald
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:03:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How did you make that connection?
MagmaManOne ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:56:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe go back to watching feet porn or whatever
[deleted] ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 02:11:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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jpylus ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:16:21 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Officially dead. This guy has seen the movie and knows this for a fact.
Pm_Me_Happy_Thingsxx ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:22:23 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its a shame this is how we have to find out that it is officially dead.
Piroca22 ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 02:12:31 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What a shit trailer lmao
[deleted] ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 04:57:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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BradleyAllan23 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 04:58:59 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its not the same snow planet, its a salt flat planet with red sand under the surface.
branj70 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 05:06:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah that in no way looks like snow, if anything it looks like a desert planet.
lesteyn ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 05:45:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
that actually looks really dumb
KillerAceUSAF ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 05:49:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My one, and only hope for this movie is that they don't have Rey as such a ridiculous Mary Sue like in Episode VII. That was completely ridiculous and pulled me out so many times.
m0atzart ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 06:17:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So was Luke at first. It's the hero's journey.
KillerAceUSAF ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:51:39 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
While Rey is a master of everything. Can fly a ship better than Han Solo? Check. Can out fight a Sith apprentice without any lights able experience? Check. Ever needs anyone's help? Nope, not really. She is good enough at everything to do everything herself.
Now Luke. Master pilot? Not really, but he does have experience flying before the movies. Master fighter? No, he needs Ben's and Yoda's help a lot to get good with the lightsaber, and still loses to a Sith. Destroys the Deathstar? Yeah, but couldn't have done it without Han or Ben, or all the others that sacrificed themselves to get him his shot.
The thing is, Rey is already amazingly good at literally everything, and required no training, unlike Anakin or Luke. Nor did she require anyone's help to do anything unlike Anakin or Luke.
Edit: tell me some skill that Rey ISN'T already really good at, because as far as I can tell, she is really God at everything, and I can't find any flaw in her. She is the literal definition of what a Mary Sue is.
thedick009 ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 11:44:30 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, ok, so way to spoil how Leia dies
ZebZ ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:40:41 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Obvious misdirection is obvious
lvsnowden ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:01 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"This isn't going to go the way you think!"--Luke Skywalker
TheDreadPirateHam ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 03:44:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This trailer has nothing to do with Star Wars
jwgarcia82 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:18:19 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Care to explain why?
HankLago ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:06:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because Disney has "ruined" Star Wars by turning a family friendly action-adventure franchise about space magic into a family friendly action-adventure franchise about space magic.
TheDreadPirateHam ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 11:29:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aside from the fact that this trailer has Disney vomit all over it, it feels completely foreign from the many Star Wars we all have experienced, yes, change is good, but it's good when done in a well thought out way. Seeing this trailer makes me think that Rian Johnson is focusing on the wrong changes to differentiate his take on something that already has a rich lore. This is only a trailer and I hope the film doesn't turn out to be what I just saw. I like the idea of blurring the lines between good and evil, "the dark side and the light". I really do. Story aside, that fucking penguin, and that fucking mint strip on Kylo Rens face is killing me.
If I had to associate this take on Star Wars based on this trailer, kinda reminds me of the prequels.
jwgarcia82 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:55:01 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What in the world is wrong with Disney?
Eh... I completely disagree, but to each their own I guess...
Such as?
Such as the novels? Sorry, but the owners have the right to make whatever they want non-canonical / canonical. Some of the novels were good, but there were some that were.... not so great...
Every Star Wars movie has had at least one cutesie little creature or robot in it. Did you think this one was going to be any different?
What in the world is wrong with that? For all you know it could be some sort of regenerative medical strip.
What??? Why?? I think you're reading quite a bit into a 2 minute trailer that just isn't there... That tells me you're probably one of those people that will refuse to like it regardless of how good it is. I don't get that... I really don't.
TheDreadPirateHam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:02:46 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This reply will be towards all your questions: As a fan of the original trilogy, and probably considered a "fan boy".It really doesn't matter how I express my input on this new wave Star Wars.. because ultimately, it's the only Star Wars I'm going to get from the silver screen this year. I'm just going to have to deal with it, like all the other poor saps like myself, that long for something.. that doesn't look like this trailer.. I'm sure I'll grow to like this film, like TFA.. but what was Star Wars to me, just doesn't feel there. In my opinion Rogue One was an amazing film that brought so much back to what Star Wars implied, it gave me hope for the future of this franchise. Just seeing this extremely different trailer puts doubt in my mind, and I can't help but feel that Disney has mastermind something that was otherwise at one point in time a badass story set a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away...
[deleted] ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 04:23:42 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Skeptickler ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 04:54:02 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iโll get excited when I see a trailer for the last fucking Star Wars movie.
loveandmonsters ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 05:47:16 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh shit, how are you living to 2347?
RiseoftheTrumpwaffen ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:58:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Last Star Wars movie? Maybe when they arenโt guaranteed money makers
Pencilhands ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 02:37:43 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So, basically almost the same as empire strikes back?
KalebT44 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:38:12 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Literally how
Thor_2099 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:39:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I expect this to be a bs narrative people find ways to support like they did with the TFA = ANH remake thing.
KalebT44 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:40:55 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People will find any way to shit on something new.
BlackGhostPanda ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:50:33 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You have to admit TFA took a lot of plot points from ANH.
jhur514 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:39:18 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
what? how?
commander_nice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:03:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Studios have learned to do what they know works. Fans don't demand experimentation enough.
Bacch ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:41:35 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, Kylo Ren will come out as Rey's father and try to seduce her to the dark side. Without a doubt. She'll lose a hand too.
faggot-charged9 ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 05:15:05 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Get a life
[deleted] ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 04:35:51 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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tribunetony ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:56:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're on /r/StarWars...
finkramsey ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:21:22 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, you can anytime you like
GregTheMad ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 05:22:28 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hate everything about this trailer. Most of all the gorilla walkers. They really just recycle the OT. If they mention carbonite in that movie I'll throw a fit.
HK-47b ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:46:32 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you want me to warm up my carbonite blaster? Oh, wait, nevermind.
JonnyArtois ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 10:48:48 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This not seeming just a tad similar to Empire Strikes Back for anyone else?
edit: Typical fan sub right here.
Darkimus-prime ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 11:05:06 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No
MagmaManOne ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:54:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let's not get that started so soon. And no.
SimoTRU7H ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:14:03 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, i hope so
(Like a little similar, not the same thing)
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:27:38 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't see anything reminding me of Empire. Honestly asking, what is it that you see that is triggering that?
JonnyArtois ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:04:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So that walkers land attack doesn't remind you of Empire, just with less snow ?
This episode like Empire is seemingly "striking back" against the rebels.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:08:27 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i don't know...i think it'll be the opposite. I think that might be the first order repelling an attack by the resistance. Poe seems very determined and aggressive in the trailer.
I get the sense that the new republic is the more militant group.
JonnyArtois ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:11:07 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe, not long until we find out. Hopefully it's different but with episode 7 so close to A New Hope, that's why I've jumped to the conclusion so quick I think.
cpillarie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:00:17 on October 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the walkers were also in RotJ (well, AT-STs) and Rogue One. It seems like a common gorilla warfare tactic (made into a literal pun with gorilla-styled knuckles/legs)
Thejklay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:09:08 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not to me
sixtysixpixistix ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 06:02:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like I said after dumping ~$50 to see the hot garbage that was The Feminist Awakens, I will be pirating every Star Wars film from here on. (Unless Lucasfilm wants to make a Rogue One sequel. That movie was tight.)
HK-47b ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:37:56 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So be it, meatbag.
sixtysixpixistix ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 07:54:34 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We're all meatbags, friend.
Metriacanthosaurus ยท -26 points ยท Posted at 02:28:37 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yawn. Could Disney please ruin Star Wars a little more? My childhood isnโt completely destroyed yet. Thanks.
WEASELdaDIESEL ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:30:14 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
why are you so mad that star wars is still loved by millions of people? or is that why you are mad?
nun_atoll ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:45:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're like that because "Hurr-de-blurrblr, Didney! Muh childhood!"
It's just like people who knew of a band before widespread fame cry "SELL OUT!" when a record deal rolls along. As if Star Wars hasn't been basically just a money machine for years. An enjoyable money machine, but still a money machine.
Apparently, the moment they're supposed to consume their media from a major corporation that makes no bones over what it is rather than imagining they're sucking straight from the hairy man-teat of George Lucas himself, it ruins everything for them.
WEASELdaDIESEL ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:47:00 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know, haha. I was hoping to get that response out of him/her but that is a stretch
nun_atoll ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:54:50 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Those sort never seem to have much of a good reason as to why they're complaining. They complain because they can. It's like breathing for them - they just do.
Metriacanthosaurus ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 04:04:58 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Star Wars was doing just fine being loved by millions of people before being sold to Disney.
Now it is just being loved by millions of different people, who apparently have no taste and are easy to please.
WEASELdaDIESEL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:15:04 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yea, a whole new generation of kids are involved in star wars, too, just not the same way you and I were, I don't understand what is so bad about that.
Hubers57 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:40:15 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just leave and move on if you don't wanna be a part of the new films. Bye
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:17:26 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Fragzilla360 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:22:49 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well lightsabers arenโt real, so sheโd probably be ok.