IDK. I did buy it for my butt because I have rougher skin there and, well, it's in the name! But I just love the smell, so I use it on my hands and arms so I can smell it better. It's honestly too expensive for me to want to use it everywhere all the time.
neslynn ยท 58 points ยท Posted at 06:10:40 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Pro tip, try Amlactin or a similar AHA body moisturizer on your booty. My SO was asking within 2 weeks of use how my butt was so smooth. It's amazing. I also use it on my legs and armpits and it significantly reduced ingrown hairs/razor burn. Almost wanna try the max strength one for my legs. My skin on my face is crazy sensitive but my legs aren't and seem like they need even more since i still have some KP.
Itโs more expensive than other drugstore moisturizers, but not outrageous. I stock up when Samโs or Costco have it on sale so you may have luck trying those places!
Do you wear sunscreen daily? I have wanted to try this but not sure how to handle the photosensitivity aspect of the AHA on my body since I do not wear body sunscreen daily.
neslynn ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:39:40 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I live in the Pacific NW in the US so it hasn't been an issue honestly haha. I started using Amlactin in December and it hasn't been warm enough for me to expose my legs or arms outside yet since then! However, for our 2 months of warmth here, I always wear sunscreen if it's warm enough for me to go outside without my limbs covered since I'm a ginger and and burn easily anyway. If you are outside, especially in a sunny area, without your skin covered for more than a few minutes, I would use sunscreen if also using Amlactin to be safe.
I'm getting the feeling that with strategic advertising more men will get into self care if the sense that they rather have separate products than a 20in1 just so companies can exploit uneducated men to buy more products like they have for women for years.
Untapped market is my hunch seeing all these "men" targeted products.
(on the other hand I appreciate the volumes of products aimed at shaving for men for my legs.)
[deleted] ยท 85 points ยท Posted at 02:17:46 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I get that though. The same way I get not using my body lotion on my face. My head hair and body hair (I don't have a beard, I'm a girl) are two different textures, so they'd have different needs if I were to grow them out. Plus, a beard is on your face and having oils and conditioner in it will likely make you break out. The question is, why are we only seeing it now? Surely this is a problem for some people.
For real I know some guys who can barely shave with out a break out, then there's my boyfriend, who literally uses shampoo/bodywash interchangeably for his his beard. Never has a break out, I've inspected because I was horrified and was sure under the beard was gross but it wasn't.
[deleted] ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 02:43:37 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Mine too. He's also been trying to get me to use lemon on my face. Crazy person.
EconoMD ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:43:37 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Can confirm. Am bearded man. Products for beard were there before but in nich markets.
Meewah ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 03:00:18 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Then beards exploded and became this huge trend that people were talking about and whenever that happens, products appear everywhere.
Eh, (dont have beard, am girl) could be interperated as such. Either way, like i said. Small nitpick and i wasnt trying to make someone feel bad, so i hope that didn't happen!
As a dude who spends 10 minutes every morning applying creams in front of a mirror, I still feel in the back of my mind, "damn this is a lil bit feminine" when I do it.
I know it's 100% baseless but I can't shake that association. I can imagine that's why skincare is a tough pitch to men.
Since I am in Korea, I tend to only buy the more gender-neutral looking products, and the other non-Asian guys at my university makes jokes on me for taking care of my skin.
I'm getting the feeling that with strategic advertising more men will get into self care if the sense that they rather have separate products than a 20in1 just so companies can exploit uneducated men to buy more products like they have for women for years.
This has been the case for at least a decade now, maybe 15 years--whenever "metrosexual" became a buzzword.
Mmm. I dont know about that. Dude here and Im not really happy buying products that only do one thing. If Ill get this spf100 sunscreen, this better make my skin bulletproof.
I think especially in the US, skincare is not seen as "manly". It's not seen in a bad way either, but companies may not know how to market it yet. I decided to get into skincare because of this sub mainly and my previous face wash was causing me to break out. I also got into single blade shaving (s/o /r/wicked_edge) since they are much less irritating and next thing I know, I have a new obsession!
Don't you know that the epidermis on your left elbow is much thinner and prone to aging and sun damage than the epidermis of your right elbow and requires totally unique and specialized treatment?!
But for real tho, my pet peeve is "neck cream" I think... If the stuff can "lift and rejuvenate" your neck so much I think I should slap it on my face... And vice versa for face creams on the neck LOL
Ya i never use the men products. All the cosmetics skincare products are in the makeup aisles at stores. I'm always the only guy there but whatever got better skin now
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I'm there with you. Also, ~man products~ usually smell like Arctic Wind or Cedar Spice. Or something along those lines. And they never usually smell that great.
[deleted] ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 02:18:43 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I love the old spice "swagger" that smells like old man aftershave. Nothing is going to turn me on less than you smelling like my grandpap.
Aww man I like swagger (hate the name though wtf) now I feel judged
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:20 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lol, I love my grandpap and I like the smell, but I could not date somebody who smelled like him. Thank god I was with my boyfriend when he picked out his last deodorant because he almost bought it.
So glad I found Creamo shave cream. One product that doesn't have the "traditional" shave smell. Nice mild citrus instead. Also, more like moisturizer than soap, not drying, Ph neutral.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:35 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lol. I like the Fiji and the Amber. Neither are super I'M A MAN AND I'M GOING TO SMELL LIKE THIS ONE PARTICULAR SMELL WAY TOO HEAVILY. I currently use the Fiji, but the Amber is almost feminine. Or maybe I just like how it smells.
On the flip side, as a guy I prefer some womenโs fragrances over menโs. Eg. Tom Ford Black Orchid is marketed specifically for women, but itโs a pretty musky, citrusy scent that Iโve been complimented on a fair bit.
Depends on the brands, I won't get close to the orchid product line because they are purple. But black tea and green tea? Snail? Ginger? All safe packagings!
Even the gender neutral stuff like CeraVe and Cetaphil are lumped in the makeup/cosmetics aisle. I was so self-conscious about it at the beginning but now IDGAF
Auracity ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 04:00:40 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I hate all the for men scents. Gimme dat flowery ass shit fam.
They use the cheapest ingredients and it drives me crazy. The men's dove soap is all SLS while regular dove isn't. So dumb and taking advantage of people.
Mostly because most men aren't metrosexual, and really don't care, I mean we tried and then realized who gives a fuck , if you don't like me for what I look like then your probably not worth it.
This is dead on, but also most men do like or at least settle for all in one products. For some men on this sub to even say they have this elaborate step by step routine is hard enough. The last time some guy here asked if men can use the same products as women?? I just told him not to see products as "only for men" or "only for women" and I got downvoted for that! The rest of the comments were about finding plain or simple products over overtly feminine ones and I'm like "why are y'all protecting this guy's masculinity???"
Idk maybe I was overthinking it, but I always believe that men will be catered to just to protect their fragile masculinity.
Clinique has a skincare line specifically for men. When I worked at ULTA the specialist told me thereโs literally no difference between the menโs line and the regular line, itโs just repackaged in masculine dark grey containers. I thought that was so silly. itโs not even like Clinique skincare is super feminine or pink or flowery, itโs all pretty plain looking to me. But guys are so damn afraid lol
Except for one or two products that are stronger (exfoliators for example), yep, same stuff.
And we will even tell that to them a lot, and faced with getting the same product FOR A BETTER PRICE in the standard line, they will almost always buy the menโs line anyway.
Ps- there is a hydrating serum that is the exact same except one is pink and the other is blue between the menโs and womenโs lines. I have direct confirmation that there is no difference what so ever except color. Iโve told this to woman who refuse to buy the menโs product when the womanโs version is sold outโ or to even take home a sample.
I can believe it. Walking down those aisles, everything is so pink and flowery, there's always a couple women in that aisle and they look at me like wtf am I doing there, so I just grab the first thing that's grey or like a deep blue and get the fuck out of dodge. It's always uncomfortable.
rainfal ยท 51 points ยท Posted at 05:03:57 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dare you to stare them down, grab the most flowery bottle and then scoff at their skincare choices as they probably don't follow this sub and or wear sunscreen. Bonus if you have better skin.
When I worked for Clinique, we were told that the men's exfoliant was a little rougher, but that otherwise, the products were all the same.
MitchH87 ยท 144 points ยท Posted at 00:14:08 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Men's masculinity is a very fragile thing, can't be seen as 'weak' and inline with femininity. Wouldn't sell otherwise, damned stupid but won't change until society accepts something other than a 1 dimensional man. I don't care though, I smell like strawberries
[deleted] ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 06:34:20 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Eymou ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:44:24 on April 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I know this post is a month old, but I just wanted to share that my Shower Gel smells like vanilla puddig and it's awesome.
xamdou ยท 68 points ยท Posted at 00:43:18 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Smelling like strawberries is better than smelling like you just woke up
Girls like it better, too ๐
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 00:44:42 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's not really a fair comparison. Skincare is done at home. With the exception of buying the product (which you can do online if you're that worried about it), it's an entirely private thing.
On the other hand, I wear my underarm hair out in public. If I wanted to hide it, I would have to actively change my life, or at least my wardrobe. And because I don't care about hiding it, I experience the social consequences anew every day, every time it gets warm outside.
By the way, those social consequences aren't just open disapproval or mocking. That's most of it, and I've been lucky enough that I've never experienced anything worse, but not conforming to standards of femininity can have much more serious consequences, like not being hired for jobs, being fired from jobs, harassment, being spit on, threats of violence, and even actual actual violence (especially for very masculine women/butch lesbians - usually not for otherwise feminine or ostensibly straight women).
No man has ever been turned down for a job because he wore sunscreen. No man has ever been spit on because his skin was just too blemish-free. It's not a fair comparison.
Didn't see the original comment, but I wonder if a man might have a similar experience wearing a full face of makeup. Of course moisturizers and light cover-up isn't noticeable, but bright lipstick and eyeliner probably wouldn't be too well received in most circumstances.
It was basically "You think masculinity is fragile? Tell me how many girls walk around with hairy armpits."
Yeah, that would be a MUCH more appropriate comparison to women who don't shave.
Tutiloo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:44:14 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Men wearing make up is seen as trailblazing (even though itโs really not) where as women rejecting feminity is seen as dirty, lazy and innadaquate.
Tutiloo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:45:16 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sadly corrective rape of lesbians is a very present issue in western society. (As well as elsewhere, just emphasising the West is pro miosogyny as much as anywhere else).
Every time I leave Austin it always surprises and amuses me how scandalized people look when they realize I don't shave my underarms. It's a toss up here, no one cares lol.
Comments about fragile masculinity and your idea to defend your masculinity is to say women are the ones who are fragile, ok. I'm sure we are missing out on you and the other men who avoid this sub ๐ข
Man checking in. I have a 4 step process featuring Tony Moly snail emulsion and have spread the good word to many of my male friends. Iโm gay but theyโre all straight. Weโre out here! ๐
I mean, I'm not gay and when I saw my bud I haven't seen in a while I kissed him on the lips for shits and giggles, but you keep going on thinking that every guy without two dicks feels like they have to protect their masculinity with their life.
I overheard a guy ask the girl he was with if he can use the acne products she recommended him be he thought "aren't these, you know, for girls" at Target a while ago.
And his friend was like "they're for acne & you have acne?". Then the dude was quiet & they walked to the checkout together.
Aevui ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 22:09:27 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't care as long as I don't smell like a cheap cherry whore
Get gender neutral products--literally all the French pharmacy brands, la Roche Posay, Bioderma, Avene, Vichy, are very inoffensive and neutral in their packaging and their scents, and they have scent free options too, which IMO could benefit both men and women (fragrance can irritate and has no skin soothing benefits)
Speaking as a (sort of?) masculine man, not really protection? We're uneducated, generally. I have a routine, sure. I labeled the bottles 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 so I can't screw it up.
I know there's an order. Because someone else said so. To me, it all winds up in the places it's supposed to go, why an order (this is rhetorical)? There are female-specific deoderants, female-specific (or marketed) shampoos, and nearly all skincare products are aimed at one group. And they aren't dudes.
It shouldn't surprise that men are thusly surprised when it turns out, shit, we can use almost anything. Why don't those commercials that play every 12 seconds have some guys? I want some goddamn sheen some days. Where's my herbal essence commercial implying my shampoo will result in suggestive responses commonly associated with coitus, dammit?
Some (lots of) guys don't care. I have rosacea, seb derm, and giant ears (Obama doesn't have a damn thing on these). Realizing I can just be done with it (not the ears, damn), with a simple routine has dramatically changed my perspective on myself. I'm still self-conscious but at least I look better while being so. And all it took was a conversation with some female friends encouraging me and explaining some really simple things.
This isn't a matter of fragile masculinity, it's a matter of choosing to market to really only one gender. Guys weren't it. Some are kinda kicking their way in, but yeah, I get a little self-conscious picking up sensitive skin products which is seemingly always in a make-up aisle, mostly filled with other shoppers who are women.
But screw it. My face is clear, I intend to keep it that way.
Yeah I'd say it's more like fear of being ridiculed. It's hard not to think these products are only for women after being bombarded by ads with only women in them.
I thankfully have supportive friends and/or they just don't give a fuck. I been complimented by girls on my skin and some ask what I use.
but I always believe that men will be catered to just to protect their fragile masculinity.
I personally don't think it's that. I just think most guys don't really care about their skin. So they just buy the one-size-fits-all option. And skincare products know that so why would they waste their time making all these specific products for guys?
[deleted] ยท 63 points ยท Posted at 00:03:40 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
For women, skincare isn't so much accepted as it is expected, the same, however, isn't generally true for men. There's a certain amount of cultural expectation that men have to overcome to invest in a targeted skincare routine, I'm curious as to how op and guys in general came to that conclusion because I lack the experience and perspective that only being a man could provide. It's fine if you're not interested in sharing, it's just a question.
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 01:38:52 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท -21 points ยท Posted at 02:18:40 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Firmly disagree. First off you left out an exfoliant and thatโs a must. You also left out any kind of moisturizer. The most basic of basic skin care should have a cleanser, exfoliant, moisturizer.
Also for some guys doing any skin care at all is great, but the generalization that thatโs all they need just doesnโt fit the times.
I got into skincare simply because it is a logical step in maintaining good health, just as much as working out & eating well are. I donโt see why there would be a stigma around that.
Well if a manโs masculinity is so fragile that merely the thought of washing his face and applying sunscreen threatens it, I would assume he has larger issues to confront.
That's more extreme than what I'm talking about but I agree with the sentiment. Living in a patriarchal society doesn't just repress women, but men too. Things are changing, which is why I'm curious about the guys on this sub. I remember guys in school who were mocked endlessly for this kind of thing, not just by their peers either but their parents too. It sucked. I'm glad there are people who have no idea what I'm going on about!
I have ok skin, not really anything bad enough that I've needed to use anything for it. I've been looking up the guides because I want to take better care of my body but it's a lot like learning a new language.
So many new terms and I don't know what qualities my skin has to start with. How much is normal oily? Is there a big difference or just subtle ones that we're supposed to somehow pick up on? The guides kind of help but the descriptions of the one's I've seen are pretty lacking so I'm still not sure which start to pick. It doesn't help that I'm working in a country that I'm only just getting the basics of the language down.
18scsc ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:05:30 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
For me it was that basic methods didn't work and forced me to dive deeper into research than most men would go. I have always struggled with acne, the first thing I did was go straight to a dermatologist. I tried about 5 different prescriptions without really having a routine (except moisturizing places that were visibly peeling from the actives and at some point I started occasionally cleansing with a product that was probably clogging my pores because of coconut oil). I even went on accutane for longer than is really recommended in spite of pretty serious side effects, and it helped me about 70% but not all the way, so I decided that was the best I could do, gave up, and grew a beard over it.
Only once I picked up a wet shaving/double edge hobby did I decide to get back into it, and at that point did I FINALLY have to research a routine because I had already exhausted all the prescriptions. Before, I thought "if prescriptions aren't working, why would over the counter products work?"
Basically it is a lack of education. Even my dermatologist didn't bother informing me other than "here put this benzoyl peroxide on your face", because that's about as deep as people expect guys to go. But I would have gone deeper if he had just told me. I was dedicated enough to persist accutane through heart pain and hide the side effects so that he wouldn't make me quit, so it wasn't a lack of care. But I wasn't even using some basic routine steps, just because I didn't know.
After a friend had a small basal cell growth removed from her chest, I noticed one day that I had dry, flaking areas on the crests of my cheeks. Lotion would make them go away for a short time, then they would come back. It kind of spooked me into seeing my doctor. She said it was a combination of sun and wind burn, from riding my motorcycle.
After a quick lecture about helmets, she suggested that I try the CeraVe AM and PM lotions. They worked well, and I soon started using their foaming facial cleanser instead of soap to wash my face.
Then I learned about OCM, and started doing that 2-3 times a week. I think this is going to be the extent of it, but you never know!
Personally I feel like it's easier to 'exploit' women's pressure to conform to beauty standards. A lot of skin care stuff is marketed as fixing and preventing stuff like wrinkles, fine lines etc while the health benefits of sunscreen etc are secondary.
I can definitely why a guy suffering from acne may be interested in it, but I can't see why men on average with normal skin would necessarily think about skincare like that (especially given how outrageous the prices are). Why care when society tells you nothing is wrong?
Men are interested. I sometimes go to the gym before work which means I need to apply all my skincare stuff in my works bathroom. Some of the guys in my office ask what I'm doing and after I tell them while showing my before and after pictures they ask me what to buy for their crows feet and etc.
There's a market out there, someone just needs to make a curology like product marketed towards men.
But time and time again it's been proven men do care so why must they create a divide? All the buzz from this past year on skincare and grooming becoming more popular has also been met with an increase of sales from men. As well as advertising with makeup companies featuring more male models than before. The market is there yet companies still do this Men x Women thing.
For sure thereโs a lot of guys who care, but in my experience thereโs more who donโt. As a guy, I think a big turnoff from womenโs products is the smell and the price. Do I have some massive problem with smelling like flowers etc...? No, but itโs not how I want to present myself and I donโt really like that smell. Most guys also arenโt used to spending that amount of money on skincare, so even if they know the benefits they wonโt spend the money. I donโt know, maybe I have a fragile masculinity but I am more likely to buy a product targeted towards men then a neutral or more feminine product. I definitely do use neutral and feminine branded products sometimes like for my hair but I still have a preference.
clegh20 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:50:34 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I would love more fragrance free or at least fragrance neutral products on the market, and I work in Skincare product development. Unfortunately some markets prefer smellier products or bolder fragrances, so the preference numbers don't support going in a fragrance free/neutral direction.
Yeah. I will say that skincare products are usually better than haircare products on this though both because a lot of skin stuff gets washed off or doesnโt smell super strong I feel. Hair products on the other can be super strong, specifically womenโs products. I wish everything was just made in light mint type scents honestly.
clegh20 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:17:31 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The Tea tree line by Paul Mitchell is a nice minty fragrance, definitely gender neutral. The shampoo is a little too cleansing/stripping for my preference, but the fragrance is on point and fades nicely.
Since they so heavily targeted their products towards women, the only way for them to reach all men is to make products that are CLEARLY for men so it doesn't hurt their masculinity ๐
Because telling women that they must look 20 forever and photoshopped 24/7 and will not achieve this without XYZ products is what boosted their sales. They just took advantage of already existing societal pressure on women to look good and now they must feed the expectations they set themselves via advertising.
Now there is a small market for men but why would they change a formula that still works? I mean the makeup industry is booming and it's not because of men...
Obviously the interest is not parallel between men and women if men are buying "all in one" products and women are buying more specialty products.
You ever notice how women's products usually cost more than their male counterpart products? From deodorant to shaving gel to lotions. Why aren't more women buying men's products? Fragile femininity?
I mean that doesn't explain why everything became gendered bcs many women are like this too...
It's just the industry taking advantage of gender roles and even creating new expectations to sell more stuff. It's a tale as old as time.
One of the last places I thought I'd experience such casual sexism is this subreddit.
There are differences between men's skin and women's skin. The clearest example of this is why men get dandruff vs why women get dandruff. Men get dandruff because their scalp gets too greasy, whereas women get dandruff because their scalp gets too dry. This is why, if you look at the ingredients in "dandruff shampoo for men" vs "dandruff shampoo", the "for men" shampoo will have limonene, which is a grease-killer.
Another difference is seen in acne: non-medical-condition acne is typically caused by sebum from the sebaceous glands, which are activated by testosterone, which is why we see adolescent boys with more consistent acne. In women, however, it flares up usually around the time of ovulation, where estrogen levels are peaking.
Men's skin also has a higher collagen density, leading to about 25% thicker skin.
All of this to say that not only is your sexism appalling, but unfounded as well. Stop.
EDIT: Wow those down votes came in fast! Can I call it "fragile femininity" for not handling being called out sexism? Or would that be sexist of me?
EDIT2: And it got fixed fast. This place moves quick.
Blythulu ยท 78 points ยท Posted at 00:12:57 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
On one level, you are correct. This 'fragile masculinity' phrase is hurtful and unfair.
On another level, you are incorrect. Yes, that is the reason that those dandruff shapoo's are marketed that way. It is also why as a woman with a greasy scalp, I spent several months having to do my own research before finding out I should use the men's dandruff shampoo.
It's the same for acne. You can say that it is very often this or that for men or for women, but as the common line of this sub goes 'everyone's skin is different'. That's why there are very few 'for women' skin products, since it's considered to be a woman's market and marketed almost only to women, and why the 'for [insert gender here]' products are, by in large, unnecessary. It excludes any men who might want to protect or improve their skin, unless they want the basic 'for men' allotment they have been given. It's fine for shorthand, but it doesn't mean that men should not or can not use 'female' labeled products or vice-versa. Unfortunately that is the system we have now because there are very few companies that want to label their product for what it actually does because the huge majority of people, men and women, just want a simple product that will wash and moisturize their face and all that other junk is a bonus.
If a guy comes into this sub asking for good products, the first questions should be what his issues are and what he is looking for in his products, the same as any woman. And he shouldn't be made to feel bad for wanting to use men's products or for preferring women's. There is some very shitty, very hurtful irony in the fact that people these days laugh at men for their "fragile masculinity" when many men grew up conditioned to be afraid of laughter, which is why they feel the need to aggressively continue to enforce the social norms seen as 'masculine'. It's cruel, it's uncalled for, and it's sexist. Bottom line. But the idea that gendered products need to exist also stems from sexism (ie: assuming men don't care about their skin so not providing them with options, so sexism with a smattering of laziness), so that's hardly something to defend, either.
Yeah because if I trust anything itโs the majority of people voting for comments anonymously on Reddit. Thatโs basically a scientifically backed study right there.
The marketing exists on a general trend basis. It's why breast cancer screenings are marketed towards women even though men can get breast cancer as well. Most men will not ever need breast cancer screenings, but if a man starts exhibiting the symptoms of breast cancer, perhaps he should get one.
I'm not saying gendered products "need" to exist, per se, but if a man with no knowledge of skin care decides he wants to get into it, he can get started by looking for skincare products "for men". In regards to the other stuff about "all-in-one" products and whatnot, that's not what I'm referring to.
Blythulu ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 00:44:09 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not trying to fuel any debate, but I do want to make note that when I never refereed to "all in one" products, either (at least not in the sense the post does). Anything you may have inferred I was saying about those, I meant that in the sense that "for women" and "for men" skincare products are general to the point where you won't find many that are meant for a specific issue, and that any specific problem-solvers in skincare are marketed entirely towards woman.
mmm I think you're also missing the point and hyper-focusing on one comment. You're reacting like those people in the first post. Yes men and women have different skin, WE KNOW. That doesn't mean every made for men product is what you need. Because in the end you should be using what your skin needs. Trust I've read comments here from men saying how some men products are way too strong and irritating and they needed to stop using them. The only reason I told the guy that he shouldn't view products as gendered from the get-go was so that he wasn't hung up on this idea that he needs MEN products.
But everyone acted like "omg this poor guy, you know they have unisex designed products! If you're too shy to go to the women's section, order online! No one will know you chemically exfoliate wink"
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18scsc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:54:34 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean I think the other guy is over reacting, but maybe that's because I feel you didn't really try to use the phrase in a mean spirited fashion. You also do have a bit of a point, but masculinity and masculine signaling is expected from men, especially hetero men. There can be social penalties for not fitting into what's expected.
I mean it's stupid, and we're mostly on the same page here, but the way you phrased things was dismissive, and to some extent playing into bs stereotypes.
That's like saying black people calling racism have "fragile blackness".
๐๏ธ anvitality ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:51:10 on March 26, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Faulty analogy because this reverses power dynamics. Black people do not exist to get thrown under the bus every time you need to make a misguided point about "reverse sexism." You might as well just call us Nazis or compare us to Hitler.
No one said anything about "reverse" anything. It's just sexism. Either calling out discrimination based on unchangeable characteristics such as race or sex is a sign of fragility or it isn't. Either such discrimination is wrong or it isn't. Being able to label someone a member of the Bourgeoisie doesn't mean that you're right or that violating their rights is right, both important linchpins to this sexist attitude you have.
๐๏ธ anvitality ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:34:58 on March 26, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Except what you're speaking about is "reverse sexism" (which doesn't exist). "Just sexism" is a system that disadvantages women while placing men at the top of a social hierarchy. Thus, the reverse cannot be true.
There's a difference between criticizing those who have social power and those who lack it. If you really want to pursue this faulty analogy, let's do it: black people who call out racism are doing so on the basis of economic and social injustice--being killed on the streets by police, getting paid less, having less opportunity. So when they speak of "white fragility," it's not "reverse racism" or "just racism" or whatever imaginary discrimination you want to name it. It's the discomfort and defensiveness a white person experiences when discussing matters of race. White people do not suddenly experience a smaller paycheck and social disadvantages when "white fragility" comes into play. But perpetuating racism does encourage these behaviors of the status quo.
Similarly, you seem extremely uncomfortable discussing things that disadvantage women. Thus, "fragile masculinity." Women and men are not on the same level playing field, and it's disingenuous to act like they experience the same generic "discrimination." They don't.
No, what I'm speaking about is sexism. Prejudice or discrimination against someone on the basis of sex. Sexism.
Similarly, you seem extremely uncomfortable discussing things that disadvantage women.
A laughable claim at best. No one here has presented any situation that disadvantages women, therefore there's no way you could have seen such a thing.
Look, rationalize your sexism all you want, you're still being sexist but just telling yourself it's okay. You know who does that? The people you claim to be fighting against.
๐๏ธ anvitality ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:43:08 on March 26, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When men are ashamed to own cosmetics that are "floral" or "fruity," it's because they're ashamed to be associated with femininity. Men who DO own such things are called the worst insult imaginable: a girl.
I think you insist on the victim complex to detract from the fact that women do experience sexism. You pretend that criticizing sexism is the same as experiencing sexism. It's a way to not have to take personal responsibility for your own actions and beliefs that perpetuate these harmful behaviors, and ultimately to invalidate women's experiences. I feel sorry for your ignorance. I really do.
Or because a guy just doesn't want to smell like fruit or flowers all the time.
That's a lot of mind-reading you're attempting there, Professor X. Perhaps you should try to actually discuss the points rather than fabricate these hilarious stories about people you don't know at all.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:51:33 on March 26, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, the fact that women's products are the same as men's, just better-smelling, is part of my point,
Are they? We've already talked about how dandruff shampoo labelled "for men" has limonene in it whereas the "regular" does not. What's your source? Because, taking a cue from your Clinique mention later, I looked it up. Here is Clinique's hydrator for men and here is the "regular" hydrator. (presumably for women, although not marketed as such).
So besides the fact that we already deviate within the first three listed, it's important to also note that being lower in the list means a lower concentration. So while sodium hyaluronate appears in both, in the men's it's the 13th ingredient, in the women's it's 16th, which also debunks your claim.
and the fact that smelling like fruit is so terrifying is absolutely part of my point too
No one said anything about "terrifying". Could just be "annoying".
but wasn't this conversation about Clinique's packaging?
Nope. Click "parent" on this chain and you'll never see the word "Clinique" show up in my posts or anyone I'm responding to.
When did I say ANYTHING about scent?
The following quote can be reasonably interpreted to mean smells, especially considering feminine cosmetics typically smell in such a way:
cosmetics that are "floral" or "fruity,"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:17:08 on March 26, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No idea why you're getting downvoted, honestly. I mean, there are definitely some societal reasons why men would shy away from "feminine" products, but I think by and large it really is a difference in biology as well as the simple fact that men tend to care less/are less educated about skin care.
As a guy who doesn't care about skincare routines even a tiny bit, I'll always just buy whatever's cheapest. 9 times out of 10, that will be the men's product.
18scsc ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:58:24 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As a guy that's not been my experience. Highly generic unisex products are the cheapest.
I upvoted you. This is actual sexism and you are completely right.
If a man doesn't want to buy feminine or body specific products because it is not valuable to him, all of the sudden he is "fragile"? I don't like buying certain men's products because I either don't care for them or don't enjoy them. Is my femininity fragile now as well?
People are more likely to buy products that are marketed towards their demographic, not just men. General demographics tend to place value on different things. End of the day, buy whatever you want.
Ugh, this and "toxic masculinity" are two phrases that need to die.
And you're a guy? Stop it.
18scsc ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 07:40:23 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Toxic masculinity is a phrase that very specifically only applies to aspects of masculinity that are toxic. Not to masculinity as a whole.
I'm a dude.
Tutiloo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:59:42 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
While this is perfect in itself itโs important to recognise that masculinity (ie conditioned sex role stereotypes) is not at all inherent to being male and that the phrase toxic masculinity is criticising those sex role stereotypes and not men themselves. Itโs feminism 101 to know that femininity and masculinity are not inherent to either sex but rather socially condition stereotypes that prop up partirarchal rule. So toxic masculinity is not a bat to hit men over the heads with but rather a recognition that men themselves are most definately not toxic, but the behaviour expected and allowed of them is.
Yeah, and it's still a phrase that's overused and/or misused. It's currently acting as a simplistic catchall to explain nearly every societal ill. This is about as credible and cogent as "hysterical femininity" of the past--though I'm sure toxic masculinity is the reason behind that, too. It can't be that society is a complex interplay of individual and collective needs, expectations, drives, and desires and that both men and women are the ones who create it, inform it, and reinforce it.
But sure, #killallmen was a healthy response and definitely was not aimed at masculinity as a whole.
As a large man myself I use what works for me regardless of marketing. The whole idea of for males or for females is dumb. Package it however they want what matters is if it works or not and I only know that by trying it. I promise there are plenty of us who don't tie our identities to meaningless shit like marketing copy, colors or packaging.
The big problem with many "overtly feminine" products isn't the packaging but the scent; unscented products (regardless of packaging) are indeed universal, but scents like lavender and lilac etc. are weird on dudes.
Don't really know how exactly you meant "overtly feminine"; packaging alone doesn't mean anything, but scent matters a lot, IMO.
Some smells are at least conventionally gendered, ones like leather and woodsmoke and roses and flowers, no? Obviously you can wear whatever scent you want, and a number of scents don't have a "gender," but my understanding is that there's a reason why perfumes generally smell "soft" while colognes generally smell "sharp," and that that reason is because we associate certain smells with men and others with women.
but I always believe that men will be catered to just to protect their fragile masculinity.
God damn I don't post or read comments on this sub often but when the hell did it turn into some crazy community for sexists? Jesus Christ, I was shocked by the title as it is although not everyone knows about business and marketing so I can understand the ignorance but I was not expecting this shit in the comments.
yea, for ref. "sake", just replace it w/ "fragile femininity", does it sound "sexist"?'!" (honestly, hope the mod's do smth,. bout this.)
Restberg ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 00:23:02 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Most men don't want to spend more time than they need to in front of the mirror, while most women don't have any problem with that. Therefore you see these products marketed towards men like '3 in 1' etc etc. it has nothing to do with "fragile masculinity", it's just that men usually doesn't give two cents about skin care and just want to go about their day instead of wasting it on 3 different products in the bathroom when they could get it done with 1.
I also read some comments on how men lack "education" around skin care, which sounds like men need to be educated so that they can take proper care of their skin. If men generally wanted to get heavily invested in their skin then they would decide to get the education they need themselves.
Most men don't want to spend more time than they need to in front of the mirror, while most women don't have any problem with that
Because women are more concerned with how they look? This is what I'm talking about. I know damn well men spend as much time looking into a mirror as women do. If men didn't care about skincare there wouldn't be these products sold to men in the first place. I do agree that there's a lack of education hence the reason for even buying all in one products in the first place, but to say men don't care as much or want to put that much effort is just more bs
I know damn well men spend as much time looking into a mirror as women do.
What world are you living in? My girlfriend spends no less than an hour applying makeup, doing her skincare regimen, untangling her hair, etc. per day. I'm lucky if I even comb my hair before work.
I think your perception of the average man is skewed by your own experience as a man who is apparently into skincare. You're thinking of yourself and not the average Joe the welder.
A dude already gave you a source which directly contradicts you, why do you still defend your wrong argument? I don't understand how anyone who has ever dated a single girl in his life can claim they spend more time in front of the mirror than her.
you barely have time to do your hair means what?
That's not what I said. Try reading it slower.
Restberg ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 01:00:32 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Actually a study by skinfo.com shows that men spend on average 15 minutes a day on their appearance while women spend on average 30 minutes, it does however show that they spend about the same amount on skincare products.
Speaking from experience and general observations, men usually don't wear make up, women do. Men usually don't put on anything at all, not even moisturizers, at least few of my male friends, school mates and colleagues do, while most of the women can't wait for lunch break to occur so they can run into the bathroom to slap on more sunscreen and check their makeup.
If men now want to put in as much effort as women do they would all have realized by now that 3-in-1 products are usually not as friendly and effective as using different products with the right ingredients list that suits your needs. These 3-in-1 products are generally very popular. If men now are so invested in skincare, why are they looking for such a quick fix?
If men now are so invested in skincare, why are they looking for such a quick fix?
As per my first comment "men settle for all in one" they don't bother looking for other options and that's what they're sold so they buy it and this leads the market to believe that it's what they want when actually it's all they're offering them in the first place
So let me get this straight.. Men don't want 3-in-1 products but that's all they're offered so they buy it despite the lack of interest in it, so now the oblivious market believes that's what they want so they keep a constant supply so that these customers can go into the store every now and then and keep purchasing products they don't like? .. doesn't make a lot of sense.
They don't bother looking for other options
You just made my point, the very point you argued against in your first reply, thanks!
are you purposely missing what I'm saying? I never argued that men DONT buy all-in-one and I never said they're buying stuff they don't like. The keyword was 'settle' that's literally what an all in one product is for to settle on a simpler product, It's lazy. What I've been saying this whole time is that there are men who do go out of their way to look beyond their gendered specific products and although it's been noted that men spend just about/equal to women on beauty products/grooming. There's still this divide that supposedly says "Gee men are just not that interested in themselves" which is obviously bs.
All in one products are considered "lazy" by people who dislike them, and products you "settle" with by the same people. I'm a man, and I use specific products for my specific needs. But before that a few years ago I didn't walk into a store and picked up a 3-in-1 shampoo because I "settled" with it, I bought it because I didn't want to spend more time in the shower than what is necessary, and it was the perfect kind of product for my needs at the time. It wasn't lazy, it was simply that I didn't have the need for any other products, nor did I want any other products. I could wake up a few minutes earlier in the morning to use other products but I simply didn't want to because I simply didn't care.
Gee men are just not that interested in themselves which is obviously bs
That's why I specifically went out of my way to use words such as "most, generally" and "usually" as in "most men usually" and "generally men do this and that" etc etc to pin point that it doesn't mean ALL men, but the majority of them as in above 50%. I do this in arguments otherwise people show up in masses and point out my generalization of a group of people, but in this case it didn't help which was a first for me. Does it help if I write "Most men usually generally doesn't usually like generally to use tons of products to get their day going, usually and generally, non-majority, usually.. and generally."?
I mean as a man, if you told me rubbing horse shit into my face would make my skin better, j still wouldn't, because men in average don't give a fuck about there skin in a weird obsession that is this sub,
(Disclaimer: I am a man. Obviously most of us here wouldn't purchase a moisturizer for your left elbow, but the double standard is alive and well and it's really quite dumb. Over the years of searching for the perfect skincare/ makeup/ haircare products, I've acquired some tips and tricks that everyone can use. Hope this helps someone!)
1.) One word: Aquaphor. I've used it as everything from lip/ eczema balm, hair pomade, shaving cream (it will gunk up your razor if you don't rinse after every stroke!), body lotion, lube, cuticle cream, and to set my eyebrows for days when I'm not using a brow pencil/ gel. If I could only live with five products for the rest of my life, Aquaphor would be in my kit. You can also pick it up almost everywhere, from Walgreens to airports. The 1.75 ounce tube lasts three to six months.
2.) Conditioner. It's a pretty-well known trick, but it makes a good shaving cream in a pinch. I have keratosis pilaris, and my skin loves, loves, loves moisture. Sometimes I'll mix it with my body wash if I need a little extra moisture on my skin.
3) Lipstick. Again, it's a pretty well-known trick, but I use lipstick as blush and eyeshadow pretty often. It blends out seamlessly and makes your whole look coordinated and smooth.
4) Benzoyl peroxide. Its ability on acne is really amazing, but it makes a good aftershave whether you shave your face or the rest of you. It's almost eliminated ingrown hairs around my jaw and mouth, and it's done the same when I shave down under. The 8-ounce tube from acne.org lasts ages. I've had it for a year and I've still got a quarter of the tube left.
5) Coconut oil. I know I sound like the 50 million other people who blab about how amazing coconut oil is. My skin can't stand it, but my hair eats it up. I like to shower at night, and if I'm wearing waterproof or long-wearing makeup, I'll rub some coconut oil over my face, concentrating especially on my eyes (waterproof mascara and eyeliner, anyone?). I do the rest of my shower stuff and wash off the coconut oil with a foaming cleanser right before I get out. If there's any mascara streaks left over, I gently wipe it off with my regular micellar water.
It smells nice... But I honestly think it's gotten its rise from the whole n a t u r a l bandwagon.
bor__20 ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 23:59:21 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
my dad makes over $100k a year and he buys clothes at army and navy and uses a 3 in 1 shampoo-conditioner-bodywash lol
๐๏ธ anvitality ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 00:02:00 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"The question is, why isn't all your underwear good, Jay? You make a nice living." --Gloria from Modern Family. Same concept.
hyphie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:01:20 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My dad is a retired engineer, he's not like super rich but doing pretty well for himself, considering he's living alone in a fully paid-off apartment (and has been done with child support for quite some time now, since my brother and I are grown up).
He still wears the same hideous shirt I remember from my childhood. Jeans he turned into shorts (like cutoffs but thankfully longer) 10 years ago. Whyyyy.
I totally get not buying a ton of things and being vain, it's better for the environment and everything, but I still think there's a limit haha.
๐๏ธ anvitality ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:14:33 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Those cutoffs... does he wear them all the time? Is he a never nude?
hyphie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:47:17 on March 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There are dozens of us! ...but he's not part of them, thankfully :D
mostly there was a time when women didn't earn enough income to be considered a profitable market because they didn't have the dough to spend on leisure retail. then, when they did (us centric = late 1940s/50s roughly) , hella companies realized they could make money off of us and started targeted branding. Not because women are easier to sell to, just because it became possible to sell to women period.
That doesn't answer the question though. Did women go straight from buying nothing to buying 10 different products for AM and PM routines, or did the whole thing gradually increase?
no, i mean the multiple product am and pm routine thing is a recent marketing trend for sure (influx of "Asian beauty" marketing into the US consumer base) but also, yes there was a major boom in competing cosmetic companies after the Second World War (incl some familiar ones - L'Orรฉal, ponds, Elizabeth Arden) trying to sell as many different things as possible. TBH google "history of cosmetics" for some interested tracings of relative popularity of women's personal care - industry took a plunge in the 60 and 70s for instance.
Gradually. There's a great book called Hope in a Jar (after the infamous Charles Revson quote, not the Philosophy product) that details the rise of modern US beauty culture. There were always multiple product offerings and regimens but buyers had to trained to want day and night formulas, know the difference between cold cream and vanishing cream, that "skin food" and "muscle oil" were actually effective, that facial massage and mud packs were worhtwhile, etc.
Do you get the sense that the same is being tried with men? I can't recall any point where suddenly more products ended up on the shelves in the men's section, but it looks like there's more than a one size fits all offering.
You know what, the book I just recommended does go into detail about attempts to get men into skincare in the twentieth century. They would do the whole uber-dudebro thing when advertising too. So it's not really new, just a slow and eventual process. First, you have to sell them personal razors and talcum powder. Then an established skincare brand will offer a mens' line. Elizabeth Arden did that, for example.
I don't know about this history of it but you're completely wrong on the "women aren't easier to sell to" part. If women weren't easier to sell to there wouldn't be major industries dedicated to marketing to women as their primary demographic. Hell, there are a lot more companies with women as their primary demographic than those with men as their primary demographic. It's because the fact that women earn less than men than men but spend more than men meaning they're spending the income of men in their lives, mostly income of their SO. This is because they're in fact easier to sell to, at least for a lot of major industries. It also means that these companies can get money from members of the population who aren't even directly participating in the industry by targeting their female relatives.
Also before anyone gets offended, I am not at all saying that this is a bad thing. It isn't. It's just how men and women are. I'm sure men are the primary consumers of muscle cars and guns. Traditionally masculine things are marketed to men because they appeal to their biology and vice versa for femenine products for women.
๐๏ธ anvitality ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 19:18:19 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I love that product, too. It's the only lotion that lasts all day on my boyfriend's psoriasis patches. The catch? The regular version with a light feminine scent is 13 oz while the MILITARY GRADE TACTICAL BLACK men's version is 14.5 oz. AND cheaper. Guess the larger size is for the extra amount needed for face??
I mean, some dudes physically just have more area to cover than other dudes or ladies. Iโd presume the โmenโsโ version has more product to accommodate. Is it still a ripoff? Maybe.
I actually really like the Mens version smell. It's musky and very "MAN!", but fades really quickly, so you won't smell like a drag king (or you will, but only briefly, if that's your bag).
Mine does, and I've been searching for a product that helps.
๐๏ธ anvitality ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:09:24 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes! Nothing has helped more than this. CeraVe Soothing Eczema Oil = doesn't last long enough. CeraVe Renewing SA Cream = the salicylic acid stings too much. Gold Bond gets it just right. The urea provides a mild exfoliating action without stinging his skin too much.
Just to double check, it's the GoldBond Ultimates Men's Essentials Everyday Hydrating we're talking about?
๐๏ธ anvitality ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:14:03 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ah yeah, although the Ultimate Restoring Lotion With CoQ10 is almost exactly the same formula, just marketed for women and smells different (more feminine). We've bought both and they work the same! Choose the one that suits him better :)
It's exfoliating without the potential for over-exfoliation and also builds the moisture barrier, I think. It really should be listed in the ingredients of tab of this sub but isn't for some reason.
That article just convinced me to buy the Hada Labo premium lotion after I run out of the Hada Labo lotion I have now. I now want urea in my skincare routine!
I'm going to have to browse that website more. I love it when blogs/articles go in depth into the science of skincare.
It's a great ingredient for dry skin because it's a humectant (binds moisture to your skin). In the high amount found in this lotion, it has an exfoliating effect.
eeept ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:45:45 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
going to add that it comes in different %'s and I'd advise going small % for face. it can definitely burn
Urea, also known as carbamide, is an organic compound with chemical formula C O(N H2)2. This amide has two โNH2 groups joined by a carbonyl (C=O) functional group.
Urea serves an important role in the metabolism of nitrogen-containing compounds by animals and is the main nitrogen-containing substance in the urine of mammals. It is a colorless, odorless solid, highly soluble in water, and practically non-toxic (LD50 is 15 g/kg for rats).
Dude. Us women are lucky if we get our men to use ONE product, let alone an entire medicine cabinet full.
Iโve been a licensed Esthetician for nearly a decade. My husband has finally been convinced to use a daily cleanser. Iโm guessing heโll eventually use a moisturizer/SPF within the next decade.
I use a few CeraVe products that are usually found in the cosmetics section. I am just about always the only guy in there. Then I go outside, get on my Harley and ride home.
The beauty industry would certainly market their products to men if they could. For the most part, men historically haven't cared for their skin in the same manner as women. There's a number of reasons for this, but the idea that it's "feminine" and not necessary is near the top. That said, the culture is changing and the industry will change with it. While all products work for both genders, we will definitely be seeing the same products targeted toward just men and just women. This could benefit consumers by supplying more options and further competition, but it could go the other way too. Fingers crossed.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:13:41 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The guyโs formulation sounds horrendous, imagine smearing a functional toothpaste with SLS all over your face.
Thatโs enough to make me prefer the womenโs side of the double standard.
๐๏ธ anvitality ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 23:37:08 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Insta skincare gurus would go nuts over the first formulation lol. "How I BANISHED my zits overnight!"
Hey! There are men who are in SCA and most stuff we buy have gender neutral marketing and packaging. It's just that some of us have boyfriends whose routine is just washing their face with shower gel and somehow they still have flawless skin :')
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:12:53 on April 1, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sigh, only because we allow them to. Men would never buy so many products. If women stopped buying clothes every month and new skin care products all the time, do you think companies would continue to do this? No.
Also I am totally guilty of buying too many clothes and skin care products.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:18:34 on March 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's not even remotely how it works. Men do buy so many products, just in stereotypically "male" arenas, like gadgets for example.
Well obviously. That's why there are so many gadgets. Yet walking through JC penney or macys you will find a lot of good quality, practical clothes in the male section while womens section is all polyester, uncomfortable clothes.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:35:43 on March 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And women still need to buy clothes one way or another. We don't "allow" companies to do anything.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:27:11 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's because we buy it. There probably isn't a sizable difference but if you convince enough women that there is and get them to spend hundreds of dollars on it, they'll believe all of their products work.
It's almost like there is a market for what most women are willing to buy compared to most men.
Edit: I mean, I get it. It is funny. I'm just saying it's not a double standard. It's a free market. The reason all these odd products exists at stupid prices is because most women buy them. Otherwise they wouldn't make them.
There would be an equal amount of silly skin products for men, if most men cared about it. Look at razors and other beard products for instance. They are always releasing some new razor with a thousand blades made from rare rain forest rocks that vibrates and puts on a nifty laser show as you shave or whatever, even though a basic razor is the best.
Tutiloo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:07:59 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Only our preferences donโt exist in a vacume- they are heavily socially conditioned into us, and marketing plays on this.
Yeah there is no such thing as supply and demand and if you buy a product targeted towards men you're thrown in prison for 5 years!
๐๏ธ anvitality ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:25:46 on March 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I assure you I've never had a demand for a gimmicky product that doesn't do what it claims vs. another gimmicky product that shouldn't be used for what it claims.
And since you comprise 100% of the health and beauty market it's weird that they're still manufactured!
๐๏ธ anvitality ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:20:32 on March 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The beauty industry is not some ever-perfect, godly figure. It is susceptible to criticism and certainly has its faults. Thereโs absolutely a difference between believing you need something vs. marketing that deceives you into thinking you need something. The goal of this sub is awareness and education against such marketing. The industry doesnโt need you to defend its status quo, because nobody is asking why such marketing exists.
My point is people buy products, so they're made. No one puts a gun to your head and makes you buy something. Yes marketing can be downright misleading, but the onus falls on the consumer to look into a product. Also skincare is YMMV. What you and I might consider a gimmick product, someone else considers an HG. There are such a wide variety of products because everyone has such different needs and skin!
Men generally want 1 product to do everything. So there are all in one products that are targeted towards men. A lot of women tend to put more of an emphasis on skincare, and therefore the vast,majority of skincare products are targeted towards women. This isn't some evil structure, it's just the reality of who,is buying products. If you are a woman who doesn't care about skincare that's completely fine! You can purchase the all in one products and go nuts. If you're a man who has an interest in skincare then great! There are a while host of fun products for you.
๐๏ธ anvitality ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:24:21 on March 26, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
the onus falls on the consumer to look into a product
It also falls on us to make reasonable criticisms of the industries that don't serve our expectations and that aren't in touch with us. So we can 1) not buy them and 2) make fun of them at the same time. How are we supposed to encourage education and awareness to not buy products that don't work if people like you pounce at the opportunity to defend the beauty industry that preys on women's insecurities?
The point of this sub is education, not suppressing it.
Or you could stop buying it?
No one is forcing you to. This is kinda how the free market works.
NVCGenny ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:41:12 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I see more men with even skintone and clearer skin though. I think women suffer more do to a good amount have hormonal acne and need birth control. While men don't do birth control as a form of fixing acne. But also maybe the fact that some men's skincare is more simple, sometimes simplicity helps more than overload.
Birth control makes my acne worse. And I do believe statistics say women in general deal with acne, but the guys who do have acne get it worse, especially as teenagers.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:16:31 on March 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have read the opposite, that acne more often afflicts men because they have more androgens.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:32:10 on March 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Men also have hormonal acne. Hormonal acne =/= PMS acne. Men don't use birth control to fix acne because they can't take estrogen.
Well, I'm a woman and don't want any 3-in-1 products specifically marketed toward women. Have you ever used one of those overpriced, highly fragranced Philosophy shower gels as an actual shampoo? I stupidly have, and not surprisingly, it absolutely sucked and dried my hair out.
Please keep giving me carefully formulated, highly specific products that do their intended job well. I'm not interested in bogus multi-taskers that do three things badly.
I donโt think the commentary here is that womenโs products should be 3-in-1s. Itโs that the marketing of products is sexist. Plain olโ products are advertised as โhighly specific productsโ (see many moisturizers vs. eye creams) for women, and products are marketed as suitable for everything under the sun for men when they really shouldnโt be.
Marketing is about making money. Plenty of products prey on men's insecurities as well (products to combat hair loss, improve penis size/function, etc.), so the "sexism" cuts both ways.
And the recent spate of "for men" skincare products is actively getting away from 3-in-1s and into highly specific uses as well; companies want to tap into a newer viable market to make more money.
There are now plenty of examples of eye cream for men: 12345 and dozens more. But somehow I'm sure there will be a denial of this or a special case will be made about how everything is so terrible for women (and we're talking about elective consumerism here), even with tons of actual evidence to the contrary.
Sorry, I was just trying to explain the meme to you because it seemed like you didnโt get what it was saying. Sexism certainly does cut both ways and has negatives for both women and men, as I mentioned in my earlier comment!!
That is obvious now, youโre right. Did not seem obvious to me in the first comment, it seemed like you thought the tweet was encouraging 3-in-1 type products for women. Truly was not trying to argue with anyoneโs views, just make an explanatory comment.
[deleted] ยท -26 points ยท Posted at 19:57:38 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 20:07:17 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
E- Make fun of the beauty industry for being dumb.
Tutiloo ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 20:43:36 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Only they (and I mean the white men who own and profit from it) clearly arenโt as they are making a fortune out of playing on sex role stereotypes that disadvantage women.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:53:43 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Making a profit is the definition of intelligence now?
๐๏ธ anvitality ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 20:16:17 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This deliberately and painfully misses the point.
Tutiloo ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:44:08 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Agree. Although I do buy menโs razors to use on my legs ; )
Double edged safety razors are the shit and you can very cheaply get a razor handle and a sample pack of blades. I don't bother with fancy shaving soaps on my legs: Suave conditioner is hella cheap, comes in large bottles that last me months, and actually gives me less razor burn than anything else I've ever tried.
Tutiloo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:11:05 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Here's the thing, any guy with nice skin/hair/beard/whatever doesn't use any of that 20in1 crap. That's designed for the average person that doesn't know any better, and won't get any results from it nor will they care.
It is sexist but not in the way that this phrases it, it's sexist against guys, not convenient for guys. So your choices are, use the 20in1 products, get no results (go see the guys that are using those) or use the specific products and actually see something.
It's the same thing with that "Women's shirts are 50$ and men get 3 shirts in a pack for 10$" I guarantee you that you won't be dating the guy that wears those.
![[Humor] It's almost like there's a double standard or something!](https://i.redd.it/bxk4vx3q6kn01.jpg){kind=link}
starlightsymphonies ยท 1644 points ยท Posted at 19:08:10 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The catch is that itโs $45 an ounce, and you have to buy the matching right elbow product
thisusernamebullshit ยท 830 points ยท Posted at 19:41:29 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget Day and Night formulas
[deleted] ยท 373 points ยท Posted at 23:04:27 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And a sensitive formula!
aberrasian ยท 255 points ยท Posted at 23:51:42 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
and do i need the oily/combination one or the normal/dry one?
tacosaladinabowl ยท 161 points ยท Posted at 00:02:28 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
One of each. For each elbow.
[deleted] ยท 114 points ยท Posted at 00:25:13 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Donโt forget one for winter & one for summer!
rainbowsandbutter ยท 98 points ยท Posted at 00:54:07 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And the matching toner, serum and elbow mask!
[deleted] ยท 63 points ยท Posted at 01:08:46 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But make sure you have a hydrating toner as well as a pH balancing one.. donโt want those elbows dehydrated!
2016spring ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 09:48:06 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Depends on your elbows mood that day.
gatoapestoso ยท 206 points ยท Posted at 22:56:24 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Donโt dare mix brands. Doesnโt matter if Tripping Rhino works better for your right elbow, you must use the whole line!
๐๏ธ anvitality ยท 93 points ยท Posted at 23:48:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How about Buzzed Hippopotamus?
[deleted] ยท 91 points ยท Posted at 00:51:22 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Bkbunny87 ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 03:04:02 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Tipsy manatee omg
Iโd buy it
[deleted] ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 03:22:34 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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NewOhm ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 11:41:54 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But do I get Rainforest Beauty Points with every purchase that I can use toward more product if I save up enough?
Capefoulweather ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 04:28:10 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Boozy Baboon! Smashed Mammoth! Wasted Rhino!
DeterminedEm ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 04:59:07 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Slightly Inebriated Giraffe!
hamsterhams ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:24:16 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
omfg
esdash ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:31:50 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This
Powerpopelora ยท 470 points ยท Posted at 20:32:00 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lush has a cream for breasts... lovely jubblies.
HarkAMaiden ยท 216 points ยท Posted at 22:04:21 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They also have one for butts called Rump
Boneal171 ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 01:04:12 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ha, โrumpโ
kay-el-sea ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 13:22:21 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just bought the rump cream and I LOVE IT
lacielaplante ยท 190 points ยท Posted at 00:44:37 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Brazilian "bum bum" cream.. I use that, but all over. Everythings a butt.
ediblesprysky ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 04:35:43 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Is that actually just supposed to be for butts? Iโve actually never tried it because I find it confusing...
lacielaplante ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 05:29:37 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
IDK. I did buy it for my butt because I have rougher skin there and, well, it's in the name! But I just love the smell, so I use it on my hands and arms so I can smell it better. It's honestly too expensive for me to want to use it everywhere all the time.
neslynn ยท 58 points ยท Posted at 06:10:40 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Pro tip, try Amlactin or a similar AHA body moisturizer on your booty. My SO was asking within 2 weeks of use how my butt was so smooth. It's amazing. I also use it on my legs and armpits and it significantly reduced ingrown hairs/razor burn. Almost wanna try the max strength one for my legs. My skin on my face is crazy sensitive but my legs aren't and seem like they need even more since i still have some KP.
lacielaplante ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 07:26:03 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have KP and have tried using my AHA toner on my legs and bum but its kinda expensive to do so consistently. Is amlactin reasonably priced?
EgregiousWeasel ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 11:51:31 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's expensive for lotion, but totally worth it. You can also get it at Costco.
Dr_Bogart ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:29:21 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs more expensive than other drugstore moisturizers, but not outrageous. I stock up when Samโs or Costco have it on sale so you may have luck trying those places!
thatkindofgurl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:31 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Try using a body wash with salicylic acid.
apaixao ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:16 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I know it's a bit controversial at the moment, but I decant The Ordinary AHA to a spray bottle and go to town.
Pro tip - works like a dream for ingrowns after a botched brazilian.
goawaynocomeback ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:24:23 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Saved this comment for later! Thank you!
problem_me ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:32:18 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
omg great advice! i'm gonna try to find it.
kodyloki ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:33:11 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Do you wear sunscreen daily? I have wanted to try this but not sure how to handle the photosensitivity aspect of the AHA on my body since I do not wear body sunscreen daily.
neslynn ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:39:40 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I live in the Pacific NW in the US so it hasn't been an issue honestly haha. I started using Amlactin in December and it hasn't been warm enough for me to expose my legs or arms outside yet since then! However, for our 2 months of warmth here, I always wear sunscreen if it's warm enough for me to go outside without my limbs covered since I'm a ginger and and burn easily anyway. If you are outside, especially in a sunny area, without your skin covered for more than a few minutes, I would use sunscreen if also using Amlactin to be safe.
kodyloki ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:00:46 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lol yeah I would have the same experience, should have thought about trying this months ago. Maybe next winter xD
rapeberries ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:25:28 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh I just bought it a few weeks ago and I never thought of using it on my armpits!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:55:28 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Chrysmiau ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 10:53:06 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lol it's pronounced boom boom by Spanish ppl.
aspophilia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:01:37 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It smells soooo good and has an absurd price wo go along with it.
AnalyticalAlpaca ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:14:37 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, seriously?
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:55:09 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Boob/nipple salve is common for nursing mothers.
anniecakes ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 06:13:46 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's not what Lovely Jubblies is.
libertysince05 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:53:48 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I use it for my lips, the best lip salve ever!
suburban-bad-boy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:08:18 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I like it when people call it jubblies. I have to grow up. Hehe...
Tutiloo ยท -80 points ยท Posted at 20:41:29 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Because adult women canโt possible use real words for womensโ issues ofcourse.
maybe_little_pinch ยท 293 points ยท Posted at 21:43:21 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Is there something wrong with having a funny name for a product...? I don't really care what they call the ketchup I put on my tater tits.
niadeo ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 02:34:11 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Tater tits.....you have killed me
maybe_little_pinch ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 04:28:39 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I would like it to be known that I am not usually funny, and I was absurdly proud of that comment.
born2stab ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:27:31 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've been giggling at tater tits for a while now.
biopuppet ยท 97 points ยท Posted at 22:07:09 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"Hydrate U Mammary Tissues". Do you think it has potential? ๐ค
mydogisfabulous ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 23:27:11 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Moisturize the skin of your breasts religiously (~หโพห)~
oOPersephoneOo ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 00:24:43 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Moist yo mamms?
GlockWan ยท 64 points ยท Posted at 01:14:12 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
have you ever been to lush?... all the names are wordplay
Saltykelp ยท 251 points ยท Posted at 21:37:00 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm getting the feeling that with strategic advertising more men will get into self care if the sense that they rather have separate products than a 20in1 just so companies can exploit uneducated men to buy more products like they have for women for years.
Untapped market is my hunch seeing all these "men" targeted products.
(on the other hand I appreciate the volumes of products aimed at shaving for men for my legs.)
oceanscales ยท 129 points ยท Posted at 01:28:47 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I saw "beard shampoo" recently. It's starting.
[deleted] ยท 85 points ยท Posted at 02:17:46 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I get that though. The same way I get not using my body lotion on my face. My head hair and body hair (I don't have a beard, I'm a girl) are two different textures, so they'd have different needs if I were to grow them out. Plus, a beard is on your face and having oils and conditioner in it will likely make you break out. The question is, why are we only seeing it now? Surely this is a problem for some people.
bookwormsister1 ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 02:23:02 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
For real I know some guys who can barely shave with out a break out, then there's my boyfriend, who literally uses shampoo/bodywash interchangeably for his his beard. Never has a break out, I've inspected because I was horrified and was sure under the beard was gross but it wasn't.
[deleted] ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 02:43:37 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Mine too. He's also been trying to get me to use lemon on my face. Crazy person.
EconoMD ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:43:37 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Can confirm. Am bearded man. Products for beard were there before but in nich markets.
Meewah ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 03:00:18 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Then beards exploded and became this huge trend that people were talking about and whenever that happens, products appear everywhere.
partypooperpuppy ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 06:13:46 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Beards where so 2010
ACRBSTKNT ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 06:33:11 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nitpick, but some girls, both cis and trans, have beards <3
throwawayfrustrat ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 11:42:44 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The commenter never said that bears and being a woman were mutually exclusive.
cleanforever ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:17:44 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Berenstain Bears?
ACRBSTKNT ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:08:54 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, (dont have beard, am girl) could be interperated as such. Either way, like i said. Small nitpick and i wasnt trying to make someone feel bad, so i hope that didn't happen!
apaniyam ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 08:55:30 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Beard shampoo has been a thing for decades. It's a gentler soap so you don't get face dandruff.
thejoggler44 ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 02:48:48 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The industry has been claiming the menโs market was going to be the next big growth opportunity since the early 1990s. Iโm skeptical.
PutMeInAJailCel ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 05:06:45 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As a dude who spends 10 minutes every morning applying creams in front of a mirror, I still feel in the back of my mind, "damn this is a lil bit feminine" when I do it.
I know it's 100% baseless but I can't shake that association. I can imagine that's why skincare is a tough pitch to men.
MapleGiraffe ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 06:18:21 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Since I am in Korea, I tend to only buy the more gender-neutral looking products, and the other non-Asian guys at my university makes jokes on me for taking care of my skin.
Gojiquats ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 12:23:53 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The joke will be on them at your reunion when you look 10 years younger than the other men.
MapleGiraffe ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 12:36:26 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have maybe physically aged 1 year in the last 10 years, think I can keep going that way.
spanishgalacian ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:25:45 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They just need to do what curology does and stuff everything into one bottle. That would sell to men easily.
glimmeringsea ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 05:05:13 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This has been the case for at least a decade now, maybe 15 years--whenever "metrosexual" became a buzzword.
ttchoubs ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:12:31 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Korea has been this way for a good while and are even starting to get men into the makeup industry
gummybear904 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:12:28 on March 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I kinda hope this happens in the US. Imagine how many pimples we could hide!
shadowedges ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:24:22 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Mmm. I dont know about that. Dude here and Im not really happy buying products that only do one thing. If Ill get this spf100 sunscreen, this better make my skin bulletproof.
izy_virgin ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:45:59 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think many ppl are happy about it ๐
gummybear904 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:08:06 on March 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think especially in the US, skincare is not seen as "manly". It's not seen in a bad way either, but companies may not know how to market it yet. I decided to get into skincare because of this sub mainly and my previous face wash was causing me to break out. I also got into single blade shaving (s/o /r/wicked_edge) since they are much less irritating and next thing I know, I have a new obsession!
Piepumpkinpie ยท 117 points ยท Posted at 23:05:08 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Don't you know that the epidermis on your left elbow is much thinner and prone to aging and sun damage than the epidermis of your right elbow and requires totally unique and specialized treatment?!
But for real tho, my pet peeve is "neck cream" I think... If the stuff can "lift and rejuvenate" your neck so much I think I should slap it on my face... And vice versa for face creams on the neck LOL
partypooperpuppy ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 06:18:37 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How dare you not give into marketing!!!
spanishgalacian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:32:41 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I told my girlfriend to just use Retin-A for her eyes and she told me no she needs special eye cream. You know the eye cream that has retinol in it.
I just can't. Whenever I buy something new I look for research papers and the science behind it because there is so much bullshit out there.
Piepumpkinpie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:29:54 on March 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I try to take everything up to my eyes as long as they can handle them lol
The__Korean ยท 362 points ยท Posted at 20:27:41 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ya i never use the men products. All the cosmetics skincare products are in the makeup aisles at stores. I'm always the only guy there but whatever got better skin now (โข_โข)
( โข_โข)>โโ -โ
(โโ _โ )
phamily_fotos ยท 74 points ยท Posted at 01:23:55 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm there with you. Also, ~man products~ usually smell like Arctic Wind or Cedar Spice. Or something along those lines. And they never usually smell that great.
[deleted] ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 02:18:43 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I love the old spice "swagger" that smells like old man aftershave. Nothing is going to turn me on less than you smelling like my grandpap.
trombonerchick ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 08:41:40 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Aww man I like swagger (hate the name though wtf) now I feel judged
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:20 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lol, I love my grandpap and I like the smell, but I could not date somebody who smelled like him. Thank god I was with my boyfriend when he picked out his last deodorant because he almost bought it.
Jim_E_Hat ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:25:34 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So glad I found Creamo shave cream. One product that doesn't have the "traditional" shave smell. Nice mild citrus instead. Also, more like moisturizer than soap, not drying, Ph neutral.
RobinElizabeth94 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:19:45 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My boyfriend has really sensitive skin and breaks out when he shaves and he loves creamo, it was a big deal when he discovered it.
Jim_E_Hat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:46 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yup, and cheap/readily available. That, and ditching "aftershave" are really beneficial. Does he wetshave (use the school double edge blade razors)?
nothingbuttherainsir ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:53:48 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Had an ex that called it โArctic Rapeโ
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:35 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lol. I like the Fiji and the Amber. Neither are super I'M A MAN AND I'M GOING TO SMELL LIKE THIS ONE PARTICULAR SMELL WAY TOO HEAVILY. I currently use the Fiji, but the Amber is almost feminine. Or maybe I just like how it smells.
I wish that women's deodorant wasn't so useless.
poplarleaves ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 04:28:12 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There's a few Old Spice scents that my bf wears, and the names are ULTRA MANLY and stuff but they're fruity as fuck and it's great!
epicwisdom ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 06:37:53 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I knew I made the right choice getting Old Spice Wolfthorn AKA Fruit Punch.
poplarleaves ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:58:49 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
yes i'd say that was a wise choice on an epic scale
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:05:57 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Smells like fruity pebbles to me. It's the only stick of deodorant that made me relieved when I ran out.
DNA_ligase ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:05:39 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Their Fiji deo is awesome
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 08:47:47 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As a woman, Fiji is one of my favorite deo's for myself. Men's deodorants are just better for some reason.
DNA_ligase ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:04:02 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Same. Certain men's scents are better than the women's versions. I have two men's colognes because they were much nicer than the women's versions.
Stranded_In_A_Desert ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:36:43 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
On the flip side, as a guy I prefer some womenโs fragrances over menโs. Eg. Tom Ford Black Orchid is marketed specifically for women, but itโs a pretty musky, citrusy scent that Iโve been complimented on a fair bit.
canuckles_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:35:21 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
YES. my boyfriend has this citrus sandalwood one thatโs a really nice unisex scent, I use it all the time.
gloomdweller ยท 98 points ยท Posted at 01:31:51 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I just use the gender neutral stuff. CeraVe all the things.
[deleted] ยท 61 points ยท Posted at 05:02:19 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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MapleGiraffe ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:19:39 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Depends on the brands, I won't get close to the orchid product line because they are purple. But black tea and green tea? Snail? Ginger? All safe packagings!
kodyloki ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:36:43 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What?!!!? You donโt say!!!!!! The horrors!!!!
The__Korean ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 07:17:54 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Even the gender neutral stuff like CeraVe and Cetaphil are lumped in the makeup/cosmetics aisle. I was so self-conscious about it at the beginning but now IDGAF
Auracity ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 04:00:40 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I hate all the for men scents. Gimme dat flowery ass shit fam.
AnonymousRedditor83 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 04:21:33 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Menโs gendered products generally suck. They smell horrible, and worse, donโt work.
macman156 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 05:48:25 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They use the cheapest ingredients and it drives me crazy. The men's dove soap is all SLS while regular dove isn't. So dumb and taking advantage of people.
MapleGiraffe ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:20:51 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They all have alcohol too and from what I saw are slighly more expensive. I won't pay $5 more for less quantity and lesser ingredients.
partypooperpuppy ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 06:17:04 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Mostly because most men aren't metrosexual, and really don't care, I mean we tried and then realized who gives a fuck , if you don't like me for what I look like then your probably not worth it.
epicwisdom ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 06:39:13 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
BO is nasty and so are most deodorants. That's not really a metrosexual thing.
mdlnnttng ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 21:14:16 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
reminds me of this Mitchell and Webb sketch
chuckiestealady ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:15:40 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Perfect!
BlackFaerie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:04:45 on March 26, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
omg this is perfect, cant believe I never watched this show before haha
youremyfather ยท 678 points ยท Posted at 20:16:57 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is dead on, but also most men do like or at least settle for all in one products. For some men on this sub to even say they have this elaborate step by step routine is hard enough. The last time some guy here asked if men can use the same products as women?? I just told him not to see products as "only for men" or "only for women" and I got downvoted for that! The rest of the comments were about finding plain or simple products over overtly feminine ones and I'm like "why are y'all protecting this guy's masculinity???"
Idk maybe I was overthinking it, but I always believe that men will be catered to just to protect their fragile masculinity.
inthepines- ยท 348 points ยท Posted at 22:09:19 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Clinique has a skincare line specifically for men. When I worked at ULTA the specialist told me thereโs literally no difference between the menโs line and the regular line, itโs just repackaged in masculine dark grey containers. I thought that was so silly. itโs not even like Clinique skincare is super feminine or pink or flowery, itโs all pretty plain looking to me. But guys are so damn afraid lol
Bkbunny87 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 03:07:30 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Except for one or two products that are stronger (exfoliators for example), yep, same stuff.
And we will even tell that to them a lot, and faced with getting the same product FOR A BETTER PRICE in the standard line, they will almost always buy the menโs line anyway.
Ps- there is a hydrating serum that is the exact same except one is pink and the other is blue between the menโs and womenโs lines. I have direct confirmation that there is no difference what so ever except color. Iโve told this to woman who refuse to buy the menโs product when the womanโs version is sold outโ or to even take home a sample.
Works both ways.
Walkabeast ยท 68 points ยท Posted at 00:06:38 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I can believe it. Walking down those aisles, everything is so pink and flowery, there's always a couple women in that aisle and they look at me like wtf am I doing there, so I just grab the first thing that's grey or like a deep blue and get the fuck out of dodge. It's always uncomfortable.
rainfal ยท 51 points ยท Posted at 05:03:57 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dare you to stare them down, grab the most flowery bottle and then scoff at their skincare choices as they probably don't follow this sub and or wear sunscreen. Bonus if you have better skin.
partypooperpuppy ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:23:35 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Am I the only person alive that doesn't use sunscreen?
giraffecakes ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 06:45:51 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, definitely not. But you should.
partypooperpuppy ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 07:17:46 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But why? My skin is 100% better when I actually am in the sun
[deleted] ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 07:28:39 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
For now, maybe.
partypooperpuppy ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 08:01:26 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Then I end up dead
cubatista92 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:29:58 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
R/scacirclejerk has your back
hauntsVII ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 00:17:04 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When I worked for Clinique, we were told that the men's exfoliant was a little rougher, but that otherwise, the products were all the same.
MitchH87 ยท 144 points ยท Posted at 00:14:08 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Men's masculinity is a very fragile thing, can't be seen as 'weak' and inline with femininity. Wouldn't sell otherwise, damned stupid but won't change until society accepts something other than a 1 dimensional man. I don't care though, I smell like strawberries
[deleted] ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 06:34:20 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Eymou ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:44:24 on April 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I know this post is a month old, but I just wanted to share that my Shower Gel smells like vanilla puddig and it's awesome.
xamdou ยท 68 points ยท Posted at 00:43:18 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Smelling like strawberries is better than smelling like you just woke up
Girls like it better, too ๐
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ParabolicTrajectory ยท 65 points ยท Posted at 01:09:21 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's not really a fair comparison. Skincare is done at home. With the exception of buying the product (which you can do online if you're that worried about it), it's an entirely private thing.
On the other hand, I wear my underarm hair out in public. If I wanted to hide it, I would have to actively change my life, or at least my wardrobe. And because I don't care about hiding it, I experience the social consequences anew every day, every time it gets warm outside.
By the way, those social consequences aren't just open disapproval or mocking. That's most of it, and I've been lucky enough that I've never experienced anything worse, but not conforming to standards of femininity can have much more serious consequences, like not being hired for jobs, being fired from jobs, harassment, being spit on, threats of violence, and even actual actual violence (especially for very masculine women/butch lesbians - usually not for otherwise feminine or ostensibly straight women).
No man has ever been turned down for a job because he wore sunscreen. No man has ever been spit on because his skin was just too blemish-free. It's not a fair comparison.
TotalSarcasm ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 08:38:34 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't see the original comment, but I wonder if a man might have a similar experience wearing a full face of makeup. Of course moisturizers and light cover-up isn't noticeable, but bright lipstick and eyeliner probably wouldn't be too well received in most circumstances.
ParabolicTrajectory ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 10:28:56 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It was basically "You think masculinity is fragile? Tell me how many girls walk around with hairy armpits."
Yeah, that would be a MUCH more appropriate comparison to women who don't shave.
Tutiloo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:44:14 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Men wearing make up is seen as trailblazing (even though itโs really not) where as women rejecting feminity is seen as dirty, lazy and innadaquate.
Tutiloo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:45:16 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sadly corrective rape of lesbians is a very present issue in western society. (As well as elsewhere, just emphasising the West is pro miosogyny as much as anywhere else).
Meowzebub666 ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 00:51:52 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Every time I leave Austin it always surprises and amuses me how scandalized people look when they realize I don't shave my underarms. It's a toss up here, no one cares lol.
yul_brynner ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:39:21 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh look, they deleted his comment...
youremyfather ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 01:24:23 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Comments about fragile masculinity and your idea to defend your masculinity is to say women are the ones who are fragile, ok. I'm sure we are missing out on you and the other men who avoid this sub ๐ข
smith7018 ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 02:11:04 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Man checking in. I have a 4 step process featuring Tony Moly snail emulsion and have spread the good word to many of my male friends. Iโm gay but theyโre all straight. Weโre out here! ๐
youremyfather ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:18:05 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Are any of them single? I'm gay and love snail mucus
smith7018 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:40:23 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, girl, but I am ๐๐
youremyfather ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 02:42:57 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, story of my life, well hi boo ๐
smith7018 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 02:44:31 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If this were Runescape, weโd be married by now <3
youremyfather ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:54:27 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's the most romantic thing someone has ever said to me here ๐ I do
stresstwig ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:09:30 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Awww, you may now kiss your spouse! ๐
youremyfather ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:47:35 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you, you're all invited
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:26:37 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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youremyfather ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:30:31 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you didn't want to be involved you could have just not replied but you did. So don't act like you're somehow above it all lol
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:31:18 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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rqnadi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:26:10 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder how many millions of dollars in marketing research the industry had to spend to come to that conclusion....
LameName95 ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 00:57:58 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, I'm not gay and when I saw my bud I haven't seen in a while I kissed him on the lips for shits and giggles, but you keep going on thinking that every guy without two dicks feels like they have to protect their masculinity with their life.
deadcivilwar ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:59:48 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What is this comment supposed to mean
LameName95 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:21:57 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Are you not using context clues? It's pretty clear even without them...
deadcivilwar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:38:19 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm saying I literally donโt know what youโre trying to say in the comment because of the way itโs (badly) written.
LameName95 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:25:04 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's written in plain English besides a few common expressions.
Donaldtrumppo ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 04:07:01 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm just glad feminism is dying lol
supurbwhiteshark ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:41:17 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have also recently been told the same thing.
Saltykelp ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 01:37:31 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I overheard a guy ask the girl he was with if he can use the acne products she recommended him be he thought "aren't these, you know, for girls" at Target a while ago. And his friend was like "they're for acne & you have acne?". Then the dude was quiet & they walked to the checkout together.
Aevui ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 22:09:27 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't care as long as I don't smell like a cheap cherry whore
pocket-ful-of-dildos ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 02:00:56 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Cheap cherry whore happens to be my new band name
[deleted] ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 01:06:50 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Get mint scented things. Mint's about as gender neutral a scent as I think can exist outside of like, lasagna.
DeathIsAnArt36 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 07:16:47 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well now you made me crave lasagna scented shampoo
Piepumpkinpie ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 03:43:26 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Get gender neutral products--literally all the French pharmacy brands, la Roche Posay, Bioderma, Avene, Vichy, are very inoffensive and neutral in their packaging and their scents, and they have scent free options too, which IMO could benefit both men and women (fragrance can irritate and has no skin soothing benefits)
Meowzebub666 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 00:53:59 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ugh, that smell. Smells like teenaged glittery vomit.
marshmallowandjam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:36:23 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
most reputable brands will have no/very little fragrance :)
to my knowledge at least
RuinAllTheThings ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 00:28:53 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Speaking as a (sort of?) masculine man, not really protection? We're uneducated, generally. I have a routine, sure. I labeled the bottles 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 so I can't screw it up.
I know there's an order. Because someone else said so. To me, it all winds up in the places it's supposed to go, why an order (this is rhetorical)? There are female-specific deoderants, female-specific (or marketed) shampoos, and nearly all skincare products are aimed at one group. And they aren't dudes.
It shouldn't surprise that men are thusly surprised when it turns out, shit, we can use almost anything. Why don't those commercials that play every 12 seconds have some guys? I want some goddamn sheen some days. Where's my herbal essence commercial implying my shampoo will result in suggestive responses commonly associated with coitus, dammit?
Some (lots of) guys don't care. I have rosacea, seb derm, and giant ears (Obama doesn't have a damn thing on these). Realizing I can just be done with it (not the ears, damn), with a simple routine has dramatically changed my perspective on myself. I'm still self-conscious but at least I look better while being so. And all it took was a conversation with some female friends encouraging me and explaining some really simple things.
This isn't a matter of fragile masculinity, it's a matter of choosing to market to really only one gender. Guys weren't it. Some are kinda kicking their way in, but yeah, I get a little self-conscious picking up sensitive skin products which is seemingly always in a make-up aisle, mostly filled with other shoppers who are women.
But screw it. My face is clear, I intend to keep it that way.
gummybear904 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:20:09 on March 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I'd say it's more like fear of being ridiculed. It's hard not to think these products are only for women after being bombarded by ads with only women in them.
I thankfully have supportive friends and/or they just don't give a fuck. I been complimented by girls on my skin and some ask what I use.
YellowShorts ยท 57 points ยท Posted at 23:11:33 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I personally don't think it's that. I just think most guys don't really care about their skin. So they just buy the one-size-fits-all option. And skincare products know that so why would they waste their time making all these specific products for guys?
[deleted] ยท 63 points ยท Posted at 00:03:40 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Meowzebub666 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:52:59 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What got you into skincare?
GlockWan ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 01:12:52 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
like most of us, having bad skin
Meowzebub666 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 01:30:37 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
For women, skincare isn't so much accepted as it is expected, the same, however, isn't generally true for men. There's a certain amount of cultural expectation that men have to overcome to invest in a targeted skincare routine, I'm curious as to how op and guys in general came to that conclusion because I lack the experience and perspective that only being a man could provide. It's fine if you're not interested in sharing, it's just a question.
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 01:38:52 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท -21 points ยท Posted at 02:18:40 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Bkbunny87 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 03:18:25 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Firmly disagree. First off you left out an exfoliant and thatโs a must. You also left out any kind of moisturizer. The most basic of basic skin care should have a cleanser, exfoliant, moisturizer.
Also for some guys doing any skin care at all is great, but the generalization that thatโs all they need just doesnโt fit the times.
Capefoulweather ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 04:34:48 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Right, because men are biologically incapable of having acne, wrinkles, dry skin...
GlockWan ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 11:16:11 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
are you mental?
pinthewind ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:56:07 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I got into skincare simply because it is a logical step in maintaining good health, just as much as working out & eating well are. I donโt see why there would be a stigma around that.
Meowzebub666 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:56:06 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't see why there should be. It's rediculous but it's not surprising either.
pinthewind ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:19:23 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well if a manโs masculinity is so fragile that merely the thought of washing his face and applying sunscreen threatens it, I would assume he has larger issues to confront.
Meowzebub666 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:14:36 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's more extreme than what I'm talking about but I agree with the sentiment. Living in a patriarchal society doesn't just repress women, but men too. Things are changing, which is why I'm curious about the guys on this sub. I remember guys in school who were mocked endlessly for this kind of thing, not just by their peers either but their parents too. It sucked. I'm glad there are people who have no idea what I'm going on about!
Oni_Eyes ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 08:43:46 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have ok skin, not really anything bad enough that I've needed to use anything for it. I've been looking up the guides because I want to take better care of my body but it's a lot like learning a new language.
So many new terms and I don't know what qualities my skin has to start with. How much is normal oily? Is there a big difference or just subtle ones that we're supposed to somehow pick up on? The guides kind of help but the descriptions of the one's I've seen are pretty lacking so I'm still not sure which start to pick. It doesn't help that I'm working in a country that I'm only just getting the basics of the language down.
18scsc ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:05:30 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Bad skin and enjoying research.
musicandpoptarts ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:18:49 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
For me it was that basic methods didn't work and forced me to dive deeper into research than most men would go. I have always struggled with acne, the first thing I did was go straight to a dermatologist. I tried about 5 different prescriptions without really having a routine (except moisturizing places that were visibly peeling from the actives and at some point I started occasionally cleansing with a product that was probably clogging my pores because of coconut oil). I even went on accutane for longer than is really recommended in spite of pretty serious side effects, and it helped me about 70% but not all the way, so I decided that was the best I could do, gave up, and grew a beard over it.
Only once I picked up a wet shaving/double edge hobby did I decide to get back into it, and at that point did I FINALLY have to research a routine because I had already exhausted all the prescriptions. Before, I thought "if prescriptions aren't working, why would over the counter products work?"
Basically it is a lack of education. Even my dermatologist didn't bother informing me other than "here put this benzoyl peroxide on your face", because that's about as deep as people expect guys to go. But I would have gone deeper if he had just told me. I was dedicated enough to persist accutane through heart pain and hide the side effects so that he wouldn't make me quit, so it wasn't a lack of care. But I wasn't even using some basic routine steps, just because I didn't know.
RealDavyJones ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 01:50:50 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
After a friend had a small basal cell growth removed from her chest, I noticed one day that I had dry, flaking areas on the crests of my cheeks. Lotion would make them go away for a short time, then they would come back. It kind of spooked me into seeing my doctor. She said it was a combination of sun and wind burn, from riding my motorcycle.
After a quick lecture about helmets, she suggested that I try the CeraVe AM and PM lotions. They worked well, and I soon started using their foaming facial cleanser instead of soap to wash my face.
Then I learned about OCM, and started doing that 2-3 times a week. I think this is going to be the extent of it, but you never know!
Cinna_Bunny ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 02:55:19 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Personally I feel like it's easier to 'exploit' women's pressure to conform to beauty standards. A lot of skin care stuff is marketed as fixing and preventing stuff like wrinkles, fine lines etc while the health benefits of sunscreen etc are secondary.
I can definitely why a guy suffering from acne may be interested in it, but I can't see why men on average with normal skin would necessarily think about skincare like that (especially given how outrageous the prices are). Why care when society tells you nothing is wrong?
spanishgalacian ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:41:14 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Men are interested. I sometimes go to the gym before work which means I need to apply all my skincare stuff in my works bathroom. Some of the guys in my office ask what I'm doing and after I tell them while showing my before and after pictures they ask me what to buy for their crows feet and etc.
There's a market out there, someone just needs to make a curology like product marketed towards men.
gummybear904 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:23:52 on March 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yep there's a lot of untapped market.
youremyfather ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 00:46:05 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But time and time again it's been proven men do care so why must they create a divide? All the buzz from this past year on skincare and grooming becoming more popular has also been met with an increase of sales from men. As well as advertising with makeup companies featuring more male models than before. The market is there yet companies still do this Men x Women thing.
incharge21 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:21:00 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
For sure thereโs a lot of guys who care, but in my experience thereโs more who donโt. As a guy, I think a big turnoff from womenโs products is the smell and the price. Do I have some massive problem with smelling like flowers etc...? No, but itโs not how I want to present myself and I donโt really like that smell. Most guys also arenโt used to spending that amount of money on skincare, so even if they know the benefits they wonโt spend the money. I donโt know, maybe I have a fragile masculinity but I am more likely to buy a product targeted towards men then a neutral or more feminine product. I definitely do use neutral and feminine branded products sometimes like for my hair but I still have a preference.
clegh20 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:50:34 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I would love more fragrance free or at least fragrance neutral products on the market, and I work in Skincare product development. Unfortunately some markets prefer smellier products or bolder fragrances, so the preference numbers don't support going in a fragrance free/neutral direction.
incharge21 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:12:06 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. I will say that skincare products are usually better than haircare products on this though both because a lot of skin stuff gets washed off or doesnโt smell super strong I feel. Hair products on the other can be super strong, specifically womenโs products. I wish everything was just made in light mint type scents honestly.
clegh20 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:17:31 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The Tea tree line by Paul Mitchell is a nice minty fragrance, definitely gender neutral. The shampoo is a little too cleansing/stripping for my preference, but the fragrance is on point and fades nicely.
incharge21 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:44:14 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks, I think Iโve heard of it before but I might give it a go now.
izy_virgin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:47:49 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Since they so heavily targeted their products towards women, the only way for them to reach all men is to make products that are CLEARLY for men so it doesn't hurt their masculinity ๐
izy_virgin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:42:04 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Because telling women that they must look 20 forever and photoshopped 24/7 and will not achieve this without XYZ products is what boosted their sales. They just took advantage of already existing societal pressure on women to look good and now they must feed the expectations they set themselves via advertising. Now there is a small market for men but why would they change a formula that still works? I mean the makeup industry is booming and it's not because of men...
Hatewrecked ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:41:02 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Obviously the interest is not parallel between men and women if men are buying "all in one" products and women are buying more specialty products.
You ever notice how women's products usually cost more than their male counterpart products? From deodorant to shaving gel to lotions. Why aren't more women buying men's products? Fragile femininity?
youremyfather ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:03:49 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wow you try really hard to miss the point don't you?
mastertinker ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:08:40 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
well it's really easy to miss the point when every other comment contains a blatant jibe at masculinity.
izy_virgin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:34:25 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean that doesn't explain why everything became gendered bcs many women are like this too... It's just the industry taking advantage of gender roles and even creating new expectations to sell more stuff. It's a tale as old as time.
Existanceisdenied ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 03:47:34 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
are you talking about in the market or like on reddit? also think the fragile masculinity comment is kinda sexist
youremyfather ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:58:34 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The market but it applies anywhere tbh
Existanceisdenied ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:48:04 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
isn't it kinda the natural order of things for the market to try and cater to different demographics?
18scsc ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:39:03 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Advertising also enforces and perpetuates societal norms. It's not just a one way street.
MittenMagick ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 23:58:41 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
One of the last places I thought I'd experience such casual sexism is this subreddit.
There are differences between men's skin and women's skin. The clearest example of this is why men get dandruff vs why women get dandruff. Men get dandruff because their scalp gets too greasy, whereas women get dandruff because their scalp gets too dry. This is why, if you look at the ingredients in "dandruff shampoo for men" vs "dandruff shampoo", the "for men" shampoo will have limonene, which is a grease-killer.
Another difference is seen in acne: non-medical-condition acne is typically caused by sebum from the sebaceous glands, which are activated by testosterone, which is why we see adolescent boys with more consistent acne. In women, however, it flares up usually around the time of ovulation, where estrogen levels are peaking.
Men's skin also has a higher collagen density, leading to about 25% thicker skin.
All of this to say that not only is your sexism appalling, but unfounded as well. Stop.
EDIT: Wow those down votes came in fast! Can I call it "fragile femininity" for not handling being called out sexism? Or would that be sexist of me?
EDIT2: And it got fixed fast. This place moves quick.
Blythulu ยท 78 points ยท Posted at 00:12:57 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
On one level, you are correct. This 'fragile masculinity' phrase is hurtful and unfair.
On another level, you are incorrect. Yes, that is the reason that those dandruff shapoo's are marketed that way. It is also why as a woman with a greasy scalp, I spent several months having to do my own research before finding out I should use the men's dandruff shampoo.
It's the same for acne. You can say that it is very often this or that for men or for women, but as the common line of this sub goes 'everyone's skin is different'. That's why there are very few 'for women' skin products, since it's considered to be a woman's market and marketed almost only to women, and why the 'for [insert gender here]' products are, by in large, unnecessary. It excludes any men who might want to protect or improve their skin, unless they want the basic 'for men' allotment they have been given. It's fine for shorthand, but it doesn't mean that men should not or can not use 'female' labeled products or vice-versa. Unfortunately that is the system we have now because there are very few companies that want to label their product for what it actually does because the huge majority of people, men and women, just want a simple product that will wash and moisturize their face and all that other junk is a bonus.
If a guy comes into this sub asking for good products, the first questions should be what his issues are and what he is looking for in his products, the same as any woman. And he shouldn't be made to feel bad for wanting to use men's products or for preferring women's. There is some very shitty, very hurtful irony in the fact that people these days laugh at men for their "fragile masculinity" when many men grew up conditioned to be afraid of laughter, which is why they feel the need to aggressively continue to enforce the social norms seen as 'masculine'. It's cruel, it's uncalled for, and it's sexist. Bottom line. But the idea that gendered products need to exist also stems from sexism (ie: assuming men don't care about their skin so not providing them with options, so sexism with a smattering of laziness), so that's hardly something to defend, either.
EmotionsAreGay ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:04:21 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Preach!
Hatewrecked ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:19:02 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm.
Blythulu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:00:35 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah because if I trust anything itโs the majority of people voting for comments anonymously on Reddit. Thatโs basically a scientifically backed study right there.
MittenMagick ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 00:25:19 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The marketing exists on a general trend basis. It's why breast cancer screenings are marketed towards women even though men can get breast cancer as well. Most men will not ever need breast cancer screenings, but if a man starts exhibiting the symptoms of breast cancer, perhaps he should get one.
I'm not saying gendered products "need" to exist, per se, but if a man with no knowledge of skin care decides he wants to get into it, he can get started by looking for skincare products "for men". In regards to the other stuff about "all-in-one" products and whatnot, that's not what I'm referring to.
Blythulu ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 00:44:09 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not trying to fuel any debate, but I do want to make note that when I never refereed to "all in one" products, either (at least not in the sense the post does). Anything you may have inferred I was saying about those, I meant that in the sense that "for women" and "for men" skincare products are general to the point where you won't find many that are meant for a specific issue, and that any specific problem-solvers in skincare are marketed entirely towards woman.
MittenMagick ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 00:54:46 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, I thought all-in-ones were what you were referring to with "not caring about their skin" and "laziness".
prettypleaser ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:06:53 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think you might have missed the point, they were saying that stereotype stems from sexism and they do not agree with that idea.
youremyfather ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 01:07:07 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
mmm I think you're also missing the point and hyper-focusing on one comment. You're reacting like those people in the first post. Yes men and women have different skin, WE KNOW. That doesn't mean every made for men product is what you need. Because in the end you should be using what your skin needs. Trust I've read comments here from men saying how some men products are way too strong and irritating and they needed to stop using them. The only reason I told the guy that he shouldn't view products as gendered from the get-go was so that he wasn't hung up on this idea that he needs MEN products.
But everyone acted like "omg this poor guy, you know they have unisex designed products! If you're too shy to go to the women's section, order online! No one will know you chemically exfoliate wink"
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18scsc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:54:34 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean I think the other guy is over reacting, but maybe that's because I feel you didn't really try to use the phrase in a mean spirited fashion. You also do have a bit of a point, but masculinity and masculine signaling is expected from men, especially hetero men. There can be social penalties for not fitting into what's expected.
I mean it's stupid, and we're mostly on the same page here, but the way you phrased things was dismissive, and to some extent playing into bs stereotypes.
MittenMagick ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 01:32:51 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So instead of apologizing for your sexism, you defend it. Nice.
youremyfather ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 01:36:49 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have nothing to apologize for
MittenMagick ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 01:40:01 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Your sexist statement, actually.
youremyfather ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:00:35 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh you're an MRA. Sorry I offended your masculinity.
MittenMagick ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:26:41 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not an MRA. It has nothing to do with "offending my masculinity". It has to do with making sexist statements. Just don't make them. It's not hard.
danielvutran ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:09:14 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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honestlyhas a hard-time, "grasping that" - insane,xd'"[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:17:45 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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MittenMagick ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:53:42 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's like saying black people calling racism have "fragile blackness".
๐๏ธ anvitality ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:51:10 on March 26, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Faulty analogy because this reverses power dynamics. Black people do not exist to get thrown under the bus every time you need to make a misguided point about "reverse sexism." You might as well just call us Nazis or compare us to Hitler.
MittenMagick ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:19:26 on March 26, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No one said anything about "reverse" anything. It's just sexism. Either calling out discrimination based on unchangeable characteristics such as race or sex is a sign of fragility or it isn't. Either such discrimination is wrong or it isn't. Being able to label someone a member of the Bourgeoisie doesn't mean that you're right or that violating their rights is right, both important linchpins to this sexist attitude you have.
๐๏ธ anvitality ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:34:58 on March 26, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Except what you're speaking about is "reverse sexism" (which doesn't exist). "Just sexism" is a system that disadvantages women while placing men at the top of a social hierarchy. Thus, the reverse cannot be true.
There's a difference between criticizing those who have social power and those who lack it. If you really want to pursue this faulty analogy, let's do it: black people who call out racism are doing so on the basis of economic and social injustice--being killed on the streets by police, getting paid less, having less opportunity. So when they speak of "white fragility," it's not "reverse racism" or "just racism" or whatever imaginary discrimination you want to name it. It's the discomfort and defensiveness a white person experiences when discussing matters of race. White people do not suddenly experience a smaller paycheck and social disadvantages when "white fragility" comes into play. But perpetuating racism does encourage these behaviors of the status quo.
Similarly, you seem extremely uncomfortable discussing things that disadvantage women. Thus, "fragile masculinity." Women and men are not on the same level playing field, and it's disingenuous to act like they experience the same generic "discrimination." They don't.
MittenMagick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:38:19 on March 26, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, what I'm speaking about is sexism. Prejudice or discrimination against someone on the basis of sex. Sexism.
A laughable claim at best. No one here has presented any situation that disadvantages women, therefore there's no way you could have seen such a thing.
Look, rationalize your sexism all you want, you're still being sexist but just telling yourself it's okay. You know who does that? The people you claim to be fighting against.
๐๏ธ anvitality ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:43:08 on March 26, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When men are ashamed to own cosmetics that are "floral" or "fruity," it's because they're ashamed to be associated with femininity. Men who DO own such things are called the worst insult imaginable: a girl.
I think you insist on the victim complex to detract from the fact that women do experience sexism. You pretend that criticizing sexism is the same as experiencing sexism. It's a way to not have to take personal responsibility for your own actions and beliefs that perpetuate these harmful behaviors, and ultimately to invalidate women's experiences. I feel sorry for your ignorance. I really do.
MittenMagick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:46:04 on March 26, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Or because a guy just doesn't want to smell like fruit or flowers all the time.
That's a lot of mind-reading you're attempting there, Professor X. Perhaps you should try to actually discuss the points rather than fabricate these hilarious stories about people you don't know at all.
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MittenMagick ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:06:48 on March 26, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Are they? We've already talked about how dandruff shampoo labelled "for men" has limonene in it whereas the "regular" does not. What's your source? Because, taking a cue from your Clinique mention later, I looked it up. Here is Clinique's hydrator for men and here is the "regular" hydrator. (presumably for women, although not marketed as such).
The ingredients in the men's:
Ingredient list for the regular:
So besides the fact that we already deviate within the first three listed, it's important to also note that being lower in the list means a lower concentration. So while sodium hyaluronate appears in both, in the men's it's the 13th ingredient, in the women's it's 16th, which also debunks your claim.
No one said anything about "terrifying". Could just be "annoying".
Nope. Click "parent" on this chain and you'll never see the word "Clinique" show up in my posts or anyone I'm responding to.
The following quote can be reasonably interpreted to mean smells, especially considering feminine cosmetics typically smell in such a way:
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MittenMagick ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:22:55 on March 26, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No one said gendered products didn't exist. Where are you getting this from? My claim is that your claim of:
is wrong, and Clinique's two hydrators prove it. No where have I claimed that gendered products don't exist.
In someone I replied to or someone replying to me in this chain? Who said it, and what was the quote?
Antonin__Dvorak ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 00:17:52 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No idea why you're getting downvoted, honestly. I mean, there are definitely some societal reasons why men would shy away from "feminine" products, but I think by and large it really is a difference in biology as well as the simple fact that men tend to care less/are less educated about skin care.
Hatewrecked ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:40:19 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As a guy who doesn't care about skincare routines even a tiny bit, I'll always just buy whatever's cheapest. 9 times out of 10, that will be the men's product.
18scsc ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:58:24 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As a guy that's not been my experience. Highly generic unisex products are the cheapest.
SunflowerHacker ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 00:24:02 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I upvoted you. This is actual sexism and you are completely right.
If a man doesn't want to buy feminine or body specific products because it is not valuable to him, all of the sudden he is "fragile"? I don't like buying certain men's products because I either don't care for them or don't enjoy them. Is my femininity fragile now as well?
People are more likely to buy products that are marketed towards their demographic, not just men. General demographics tend to place value on different things. End of the day, buy whatever you want.
AquaQuartz ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 00:23:27 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've been downvoted here for calling out a user on casual sexism before. It happens and people suck, but oh well.
Hatewrecked ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:39:53 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ridiculous that this comment is getting downvoted, you hit the nail on the head.
glimmeringsea ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:18:14 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ugh, this and "toxic masculinity" are two phrases that need to die.
And you're a guy? Stop it.
18scsc ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 07:40:23 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Toxic masculinity is a phrase that very specifically only applies to aspects of masculinity that are toxic. Not to masculinity as a whole.
I'm a dude.
Tutiloo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:59:42 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
While this is perfect in itself itโs important to recognise that masculinity (ie conditioned sex role stereotypes) is not at all inherent to being male and that the phrase toxic masculinity is criticising those sex role stereotypes and not men themselves. Itโs feminism 101 to know that femininity and masculinity are not inherent to either sex but rather socially condition stereotypes that prop up partirarchal rule. So toxic masculinity is not a bat to hit men over the heads with but rather a recognition that men themselves are most definately not toxic, but the behaviour expected and allowed of them is.
glimmeringsea ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 09:09:36 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, and it's still a phrase that's overused and/or misused. It's currently acting as a simplistic catchall to explain nearly every societal ill. This is about as credible and cogent as "hysterical femininity" of the past--though I'm sure toxic masculinity is the reason behind that, too. It can't be that society is a complex interplay of individual and collective needs, expectations, drives, and desires and that both men and women are the ones who create it, inform it, and reinforce it.
But sure, #killallmen was a healthy response and definitely was not aimed at masculinity as a whole.
youremyfather ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:22:40 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm also gay!
edit- I thought it was funny ๐คท๐ผโโ๏ธ
LiftsEatsSleeps ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:40:50 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As a large man myself I use what works for me regardless of marketing. The whole idea of for males or for females is dumb. Package it however they want what matters is if it works or not and I only know that by trying it. I promise there are plenty of us who don't tie our identities to meaningless shit like marketing copy, colors or packaging.
probablyhrenrai ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:18:42 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The big problem with many "overtly feminine" products isn't the packaging but the scent; unscented products (regardless of packaging) are indeed universal, but scents like lavender and lilac etc. are weird on dudes.
Don't really know how exactly you meant "overtly feminine"; packaging alone doesn't mean anything, but scent matters a lot, IMO.
youremyfather ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 05:08:55 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
'weird on dudes'
probablyhrenrai ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:09:05 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Some smells are at least conventionally gendered, ones like leather and woodsmoke and roses and flowers, no? Obviously you can wear whatever scent you want, and a number of scents don't have a "gender," but my understanding is that there's a reason why perfumes generally smell "soft" while colognes generally smell "sharp," and that that reason is because we associate certain smells with men and others with women.
MapleGiraffe ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:24:43 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There's always some alternatives that aren't smelling feminine, like green tea or ginger.
AssAssIn46 ยท -18 points ยท Posted at 00:33:19 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
God damn I don't post or read comments on this sub often but when the hell did it turn into some crazy community for sexists? Jesus Christ, I was shocked by the title as it is although not everyone knows about business and marketing so I can understand the ignorance but I was not expecting this shit in the comments.
danielvutran ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:13:53 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
yea, for ref. "sake", just replace it w/ "fragile femininity", does it sound "sexist"?'!" (honestly, hope the mod's do smth,. bout this.)
Restberg ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 00:23:02 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Most men don't want to spend more time than they need to in front of the mirror, while most women don't have any problem with that. Therefore you see these products marketed towards men like '3 in 1' etc etc. it has nothing to do with "fragile masculinity", it's just that men usually doesn't give two cents about skin care and just want to go about their day instead of wasting it on 3 different products in the bathroom when they could get it done with 1.
I also read some comments on how men lack "education" around skin care, which sounds like men need to be educated so that they can take proper care of their skin. If men generally wanted to get heavily invested in their skin then they would decide to get the education they need themselves.
youremyfather ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 00:35:22 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Because women are more concerned with how they look? This is what I'm talking about. I know damn well men spend as much time looking into a mirror as women do. If men didn't care about skincare there wouldn't be these products sold to men in the first place. I do agree that there's a lack of education hence the reason for even buying all in one products in the first place, but to say men don't care as much or want to put that much effort is just more bs
Hatewrecked ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:46:42 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What world are you living in? My girlfriend spends no less than an hour applying makeup, doing her skincare regimen, untangling her hair, etc. per day. I'm lucky if I even comb my hair before work.
I think your perception of the average man is skewed by your own experience as a man who is apparently into skincare. You're thinking of yourself and not the average Joe the welder.
youremyfather ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:55:03 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean you are in a skincare sub...
I could say the same to you. What? Because your girlfriend spends more time in the mirror and you barely have time to do your hair means what?
Hatewrecked ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:14:12 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A dude already gave you a source which directly contradicts you, why do you still defend your wrong argument? I don't understand how anyone who has ever dated a single girl in his life can claim they spend more time in front of the mirror than her.
That's not what I said. Try reading it slower.
Restberg ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 01:00:32 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Actually a study by skinfo.com shows that men spend on average 15 minutes a day on their appearance while women spend on average 30 minutes, it does however show that they spend about the same amount on skincare products.
Speaking from experience and general observations, men usually don't wear make up, women do. Men usually don't put on anything at all, not even moisturizers, at least few of my male friends, school mates and colleagues do, while most of the women can't wait for lunch break to occur so they can run into the bathroom to slap on more sunscreen and check their makeup.
If men now want to put in as much effort as women do they would all have realized by now that 3-in-1 products are usually not as friendly and effective as using different products with the right ingredients list that suits your needs. These 3-in-1 products are generally very popular. If men now are so invested in skincare, why are they looking for such a quick fix?
youremyfather ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:12:42 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As per my first comment "men settle for all in one" they don't bother looking for other options and that's what they're sold so they buy it and this leads the market to believe that it's what they want when actually it's all they're offering them in the first place
Restberg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:29:59 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So let me get this straight.. Men don't want 3-in-1 products but that's all they're offered so they buy it despite the lack of interest in it, so now the oblivious market believes that's what they want so they keep a constant supply so that these customers can go into the store every now and then and keep purchasing products they don't like? .. doesn't make a lot of sense.
You just made my point, the very point you argued against in your first reply, thanks!
youremyfather ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:10:41 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
are you purposely missing what I'm saying? I never argued that men DONT buy all-in-one and I never said they're buying stuff they don't like. The keyword was 'settle' that's literally what an all in one product is for to settle on a simpler product, It's lazy. What I've been saying this whole time is that there are men who do go out of their way to look beyond their gendered specific products and although it's been noted that men spend just about/equal to women on beauty products/grooming. There's still this divide that supposedly says "Gee men are just not that interested in themselves" which is obviously bs.
Restberg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:18:44 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
All in one products are considered "lazy" by people who dislike them, and products you "settle" with by the same people. I'm a man, and I use specific products for my specific needs. But before that a few years ago I didn't walk into a store and picked up a 3-in-1 shampoo because I "settled" with it, I bought it because I didn't want to spend more time in the shower than what is necessary, and it was the perfect kind of product for my needs at the time. It wasn't lazy, it was simply that I didn't have the need for any other products, nor did I want any other products. I could wake up a few minutes earlier in the morning to use other products but I simply didn't want to because I simply didn't care.
That's why I specifically went out of my way to use words such as "most, generally" and "usually" as in "most men usually" and "generally men do this and that" etc etc to pin point that it doesn't mean ALL men, but the majority of them as in above 50%. I do this in arguments otherwise people show up in masses and point out my generalization of a group of people, but in this case it didn't help which was a first for me. Does it help if I write "Most men usually generally doesn't usually like generally to use tons of products to get their day going, usually and generally, non-majority, usually.. and generally."?
partypooperpuppy ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 06:21:41 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean as a man, if you told me rubbing horse shit into my face would make my skin better, j still wouldn't, because men in average don't give a fuck about there skin in a weird obsession that is this sub,
phamily_fotos ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 01:20:59 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
(Disclaimer: I am a man. Obviously most of us here wouldn't purchase a moisturizer for your left elbow, but the double standard is alive and well and it's really quite dumb. Over the years of searching for the perfect skincare/ makeup/ haircare products, I've acquired some tips and tricks that everyone can use. Hope this helps someone!)
1.) One word: Aquaphor. I've used it as everything from lip/ eczema balm, hair pomade, shaving cream (it will gunk up your razor if you don't rinse after every stroke!), body lotion, lube, cuticle cream, and to set my eyebrows for days when I'm not using a brow pencil/ gel. If I could only live with five products for the rest of my life, Aquaphor would be in my kit. You can also pick it up almost everywhere, from Walgreens to airports. The 1.75 ounce tube lasts three to six months.
2.) Conditioner. It's a pretty-well known trick, but it makes a good shaving cream in a pinch. I have keratosis pilaris, and my skin loves, loves, loves moisture. Sometimes I'll mix it with my body wash if I need a little extra moisture on my skin.
3) Lipstick. Again, it's a pretty well-known trick, but I use lipstick as blush and eyeshadow pretty often. It blends out seamlessly and makes your whole look coordinated and smooth.
4) Benzoyl peroxide. Its ability on acne is really amazing, but it makes a good aftershave whether you shave your face or the rest of you. It's almost eliminated ingrown hairs around my jaw and mouth, and it's done the same when I shave down under. The 8-ounce tube from acne.org lasts ages. I've had it for a year and I've still got a quarter of the tube left.
5) Coconut oil. I know I sound like the 50 million other people who blab about how amazing coconut oil is. My skin can't stand it, but my hair eats it up. I like to shower at night, and if I'm wearing waterproof or long-wearing makeup, I'll rub some coconut oil over my face, concentrating especially on my eyes (waterproof mascara and eyeliner, anyone?). I do the rest of my shower stuff and wash off the coconut oil with a foaming cleanser right before I get out. If there's any mascara streaks left over, I gently wipe it off with my regular micellar water.
RaspyFall ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:17:01 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Which Aquaphor product do you use for dry lips? Their lip cream is tiny and very expensive.
SarcasticOptimist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:50:11 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Cerave has their version called healing ointment and it comes in 12 Oz tubs.
As someone who had a few courses of isotretonin/Accutane I personally find the less viscous Vaseline to be better at handling dry cracked lips.
RaspyFall ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:03:05 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Coincidentally I'm starting my Isotretinoin course today. You say you've done more than one?!
SarcasticOptimist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:45:57 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. Not in a row but yes I needed it. Good luck and pack both aquaphor and Vaseline then.
R0N ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:58:49 on March 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How many courses if I may ask? I'm currently 5 months in on my first.
SarcasticOptimist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:54:16 on March 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think two was enough.
phamily_fotos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:16:48 on March 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just the regular, plain oi' Aquaphor. The teensy little lip tube is basically the same but is more expensive ounce-for-ounce.
spanishgalacian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:35:45 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Coconut oil always makes me laugh, there's nothing special about it and only works because it moisturizers your skin like any other moisturizer.
phamily_fotos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:25:06 on March 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It smells nice... But I honestly think it's gotten its rise from the whole n a t u r a l bandwagon.
bor__20 ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 23:59:21 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
my dad makes over $100k a year and he buys clothes at army and navy and uses a 3 in 1 shampoo-conditioner-bodywash lol
๐๏ธ anvitality ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 00:02:00 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"The question is, why isn't all your underwear good, Jay? You make a nice living." --Gloria from Modern Family. Same concept.
hyphie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:01:20 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My dad is a retired engineer, he's not like super rich but doing pretty well for himself, considering he's living alone in a fully paid-off apartment (and has been done with child support for quite some time now, since my brother and I are grown up).
He still wears the same hideous shirt I remember from my childhood. Jeans he turned into shorts (like cutoffs but thankfully longer) 10 years ago. Whyyyy.
I totally get not buying a ton of things and being vain, it's better for the environment and everything, but I still think there's a limit haha.
๐๏ธ anvitality ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:14:33 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Those cutoffs... does he wear them all the time? Is he a never nude?
hyphie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:47:17 on March 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There are dozens of us! ...but he's not part of them, thankfully :D
anonlymouse ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 19:22:25 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What were beauty/skin-care products like 20 years ago? Or 50? Surely there must have been a time when women just used one type of moisturizer too?
scobyscout ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 20:12:45 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
mostly there was a time when women didn't earn enough income to be considered a profitable market because they didn't have the dough to spend on leisure retail. then, when they did (us centric = late 1940s/50s roughly) , hella companies realized they could make money off of us and started targeted branding. Not because women are easier to sell to, just because it became possible to sell to women period.
anonlymouse ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:19:08 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That doesn't answer the question though. Did women go straight from buying nothing to buying 10 different products for AM and PM routines, or did the whole thing gradually increase?
scobyscout ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 21:32:33 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
no, i mean the multiple product am and pm routine thing is a recent marketing trend for sure (influx of "Asian beauty" marketing into the US consumer base) but also, yes there was a major boom in competing cosmetic companies after the Second World War (incl some familiar ones - L'Orรฉal, ponds, Elizabeth Arden) trying to sell as many different things as possible. TBH google "history of cosmetics" for some interested tracings of relative popularity of women's personal care - industry took a plunge in the 60 and 70s for instance.
Selenite1 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 00:27:04 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Gradually. There's a great book called Hope in a Jar (after the infamous Charles Revson quote, not the Philosophy product) that details the rise of modern US beauty culture. There were always multiple product offerings and regimens but buyers had to trained to want day and night formulas, know the difference between cold cream and vanishing cream, that "skin food" and "muscle oil" were actually effective, that facial massage and mud packs were worhtwhile, etc.
anonlymouse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:59:14 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Do you get the sense that the same is being tried with men? I can't recall any point where suddenly more products ended up on the shelves in the men's section, but it looks like there's more than a one size fits all offering.
Selenite1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:21:09 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You know what, the book I just recommended does go into detail about attempts to get men into skincare in the twentieth century. They would do the whole uber-dudebro thing when advertising too. So it's not really new, just a slow and eventual process. First, you have to sell them personal razors and talcum powder. Then an established skincare brand will offer a mens' line. Elizabeth Arden did that, for example.
AssAssIn46 ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 00:42:56 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know about this history of it but you're completely wrong on the "women aren't easier to sell to" part. If women weren't easier to sell to there wouldn't be major industries dedicated to marketing to women as their primary demographic. Hell, there are a lot more companies with women as their primary demographic than those with men as their primary demographic. It's because the fact that women earn less than men than men but spend more than men meaning they're spending the income of men in their lives, mostly income of their SO. This is because they're in fact easier to sell to, at least for a lot of major industries. It also means that these companies can get money from members of the population who aren't even directly participating in the industry by targeting their female relatives.
Also before anyone gets offended, I am not at all saying that this is a bad thing. It isn't. It's just how men and women are. I'm sure men are the primary consumers of muscle cars and guns. Traditionally masculine things are marketed to men because they appeal to their biology and vice versa for femenine products for women.
agreywood ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:05:36 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Day & night moisterizers were certainly a thing in the late 90s.
kitty_in_a_tree ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:21:57 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Of course they were! Late 90s, this was, like, yesterday!
PootMcGroot ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 19:07:09 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
One of the reasons I adore Gold Bond Ultimates Restore - identical to the Mens version bar the smell.
The men's one is advertised as body/face/hands/anything. So it's pretty safe to presume that one is too... and it's cheap, and an amazing 10% urea.
Water, Hydroxyethyl Urea, Glycerin, Dimethicone, Jojoba Esters, Petrolatum, Glyceryl Stearate, Distearyldimonium Chloride, Aloe Barbadensis Leaf Juice, Cetearyl Alcohol, Methyl Gluceth-20, Behentrimonium Methosulfate, Cetyl Alcohol, Shea Butter Extract - Butyrospermum Parkii, Ubiquinone, Ceramide 2, Palmitoyl Oligopeptide, Cocodimonium Hydroxypropyl Hydrolyzed Rice Protein, Niacinamide, Tocopheryl Acetate, Magnesium Ascorbyl Phosphate, Retinyl Palmitate, PEG-10 Rapeseed Sterol, Hydrolyzed Collagen, Polysorbate 60, Stearamidopropyl PG-Dimonium Chloride Phosphate, Propylene Glycol, Steareth-21, Diazolidinyl Urea, Fragrance, Methylparaben, Hydrolyzed Jojoba Esters, EDTA, Propylparaben, Butylene Glycol, C12-15 Alkyl Benzoate, Tribehenin, Potassium Hydroxide
๐๏ธ anvitality ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 19:18:19 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I love that product, too. It's the only lotion that lasts all day on my boyfriend's psoriasis patches. The catch? The regular version with a light feminine scent is 13 oz while the MILITARY GRADE TACTICAL BLACK men's version is 14.5 oz. AND cheaper. Guess the larger size is for the extra amount needed for face??
Holaitscarlos ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:13:29 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I actually prefer the women scent more than men scent. I just wish the women scent came in a bigger bottle ๐
๐๏ธ anvitality ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 19:24:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't really wanna think about what else men could use that extra lotion for that women don't...
Saltykelp ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 21:38:28 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You mean men don't spend quality time moisturizing their peen?
xamio ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 21:56:49 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Softest and hardest part of my body.
sajaschi ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:46:17 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I literally LOL'd at this. Thanks for that ๐
the-cats-jammies ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:45:45 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They apparently spend time exfoliating it
probably_green ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:35:01 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, some dudes physically just have more area to cover than other dudes or ladies. Iโd presume the โmenโsโ version has more product to accommodate. Is it still a ripoff? Maybe.
PootMcGroot ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:31:20 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I actually really like the Mens version smell. It's musky and very "MAN!", but fades really quickly, so you won't smell like a drag king (or you will, but only briefly, if that's your bag).
The_BusterKeaton ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:06:07 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Does your bf have scaly psoriasis?
Mine does, and I've been searching for a product that helps.
๐๏ธ anvitality ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:09:24 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes! Nothing has helped more than this. CeraVe Soothing Eczema Oil = doesn't last long enough. CeraVe Renewing SA Cream = the salicylic acid stings too much. Gold Bond gets it just right. The urea provides a mild exfoliating action without stinging his skin too much.
The_BusterKeaton ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:11:49 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just to double check, it's the GoldBond Ultimates Men's Essentials Everyday Hydrating we're talking about?
๐๏ธ anvitality ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:14:03 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ah yeah, although the Ultimate Restoring Lotion With CoQ10 is almost exactly the same formula, just marketed for women and smells different (more feminine). We've bought both and they work the same! Choose the one that suits him better :)
RamonTheJamon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:13:11 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Please tray hyaluronic acid on moist skin, then apply the lotion. It worked great for me when I had eczema. Feel free to DM.
Tutiloo ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:39:02 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nope itโs for their egos, but they pretend itโs for whatโs in their shorts.
fat_cat_guru ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:03:44 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why is urea beneficial?
dumazzbish ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 20:28:12 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's exfoliating without the potential for over-exfoliation and also builds the moisture barrier, I think. It really should be listed in the ingredients of tab of this sub but isn't for some reason.
Update: https://simpleskincarescience.com/urea-for-skin/
Michymakeup ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:24:29 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That article just convinced me to buy the Hada Labo premium lotion after I run out of the Hada Labo lotion I have now. I now want urea in my skincare routine! I'm going to have to browse that website more. I love it when blogs/articles go in depth into the science of skincare.
steph0112 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:19:58 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
omggg THANK YOU for this link
๐๏ธ anvitality ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:22:25 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This post explains it well.
It's a great ingredient for dry skin because it's a humectant (binds moisture to your skin). In the high amount found in this lotion, it has an exfoliating effect.
eeept ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:45:45 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
going to add that it comes in different %'s and I'd advise going small % for face. it can definitely burn
paws4wolves ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 22:01:54 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You do know what urea is right?https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urea
PootMcGroot ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 22:06:35 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, and it's excellent for skin, and is one of the fundamental natural moisturising factors of skin.
You know pee also contains sugar? And dozens of amino acids? Things..... YOU EAT! SHOCK HORROR!
๐๏ธ anvitality ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:16:43 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Also important to note that urea used in skincare is synthetically made! Definitely not derived from pee!
WikiTextBot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:02:02 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Urea
Urea, also known as carbamide, is an organic compound with chemical formula C O(N H2)2. This amide has two โNH2 groups joined by a carbonyl (C=O) functional group.
Urea serves an important role in the metabolism of nitrogen-containing compounds by animals and is the main nitrogen-containing substance in the urine of mammals. It is a colorless, odorless solid, highly soluble in water, and practically non-toxic (LD50 is 15 g/kg for rats).
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overnightdelight ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:35:50 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Male here, need a matching kneecap cream.
screamqueenjunkie ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 01:33:08 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dude. Us women are lucky if we get our men to use ONE product, let alone an entire medicine cabinet full.
Iโve been a licensed Esthetician for nearly a decade. My husband has finally been convinced to use a daily cleanser. Iโm guessing heโll eventually use a moisturizer/SPF within the next decade.
Fingers crossed!
gemini88mill ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:15:21 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I wish I could use just the 3-1's
RealDavyJones ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 01:21:40 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I use a few CeraVe products that are usually found in the cosmetics section. I am just about always the only guy in there. Then I go outside, get on my Harley and ride home.
I ain't afraid a nuthin'! :-)
mrimperfect ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:05:14 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Tell that to the thousands of dollars of product in my bachelor pad.
๐๏ธ anvitality ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 08:45:37 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You wouldnโt happen to be Patrick Bateman, would you?
Junkymix ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:16:52 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There are so many hair/skincare products unnecessarily genderized. But some men's skin are rough.
BMacintosh984 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:50:35 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The beauty industry would certainly market their products to men if they could. For the most part, men historically haven't cared for their skin in the same manner as women. There's a number of reasons for this, but the idea that it's "feminine" and not necessary is near the top. That said, the culture is changing and the industry will change with it. While all products work for both genders, we will definitely be seeing the same products targeted toward just men and just women. This could benefit consumers by supplying more options and further competition, but it could go the other way too. Fingers crossed.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:13:41 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The guyโs formulation sounds horrendous, imagine smearing a functional toothpaste with SLS all over your face.
Thatโs enough to make me prefer the womenโs side of the double standard.
๐๏ธ anvitality ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 23:37:08 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Insta skincare gurus would go nuts over the first formulation lol. "How I BANISHED my zits overnight!"
shinyshieldmaiden ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:09:45 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs the pink premium at work!
UpperAbility ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:56:05 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hey! There are men who are in SCA and most stuff we buy have gender neutral marketing and packaging. It's just that some of us have boyfriends whose routine is just washing their face with shower gel and somehow they still have flawless skin :')
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:12:53 on April 1, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So true!
hammerrrrrrr ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:13:42 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hahahahahah that made me laugh out loud for real. So true.
aloydestroy ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:16:14 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sigh, only because we allow them to. Men would never buy so many products. If women stopped buying clothes every month and new skin care products all the time, do you think companies would continue to do this? No. Also I am totally guilty of buying too many clothes and skin care products.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:18:34 on March 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's not even remotely how it works. Men do buy so many products, just in stereotypically "male" arenas, like gadgets for example.
aloydestroy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:02:46 on March 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well obviously. That's why there are so many gadgets. Yet walking through JC penney or macys you will find a lot of good quality, practical clothes in the male section while womens section is all polyester, uncomfortable clothes.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:35:43 on March 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And women still need to buy clothes one way or another. We don't "allow" companies to do anything.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:27:11 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's because we buy it. There probably isn't a sizable difference but if you convince enough women that there is and get them to spend hundreds of dollars on it, they'll believe all of their products work.
Martinoice ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:10:51 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's almost like there is a market for what most women are willing to buy compared to most men.
Edit: I mean, I get it. It is funny. I'm just saying it's not a double standard. It's a free market. The reason all these odd products exists at stupid prices is because most women buy them. Otherwise they wouldn't make them.
There would be an equal amount of silly skin products for men, if most men cared about it. Look at razors and other beard products for instance. They are always releasing some new razor with a thousand blades made from rare rain forest rocks that vibrates and puts on a nifty laser show as you shave or whatever, even though a basic razor is the best.
Tutiloo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:07:59 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Only our preferences donโt exist in a vacume- they are heavily socially conditioned into us, and marketing plays on this.
Martinoice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:55:33 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I guess either that, or the market adapted to our preferences. I don't really know but it is fascinating.
The7thNomad ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:50:28 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is so true for the guys who can't be arsed. But ever since I've gotten into men's skincare I've found a fair amount of detail too XD
Lonelyblep ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:23:17 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
OH MY GOD I AM SCREAMING TEA
MySkinsRedditAcct ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:54:54 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah there is no such thing as supply and demand and if you buy a product targeted towards men you're thrown in prison for 5 years!
๐๏ธ anvitality ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:25:46 on March 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I assure you I've never had a demand for a gimmicky product that doesn't do what it claims vs. another gimmicky product that shouldn't be used for what it claims.
MySkinsRedditAcct ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:47:45 on March 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And since you comprise 100% of the health and beauty market it's weird that they're still manufactured!
๐๏ธ anvitality ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:20:32 on March 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The beauty industry is not some ever-perfect, godly figure. It is susceptible to criticism and certainly has its faults. Thereโs absolutely a difference between believing you need something vs. marketing that deceives you into thinking you need something. The goal of this sub is awareness and education against such marketing. The industry doesnโt need you to defend its status quo, because nobody is asking why such marketing exists.
MySkinsRedditAcct ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:02:16 on March 26, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My point is people buy products, so they're made. No one puts a gun to your head and makes you buy something. Yes marketing can be downright misleading, but the onus falls on the consumer to look into a product. Also skincare is YMMV. What you and I might consider a gimmick product, someone else considers an HG. There are such a wide variety of products because everyone has such different needs and skin!
Men generally want 1 product to do everything. So there are all in one products that are targeted towards men. A lot of women tend to put more of an emphasis on skincare, and therefore the vast,majority of skincare products are targeted towards women. This isn't some evil structure, it's just the reality of who,is buying products. If you are a woman who doesn't care about skincare that's completely fine! You can purchase the all in one products and go nuts. If you're a man who has an interest in skincare then great! There are a while host of fun products for you.
๐๏ธ anvitality ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:24:21 on March 26, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It also falls on us to make reasonable criticisms of the industries that don't serve our expectations and that aren't in touch with us. So we can 1) not buy them and 2) make fun of them at the same time. How are we supposed to encourage education and awareness to not buy products that don't work if people like you pounce at the opportunity to defend the beauty industry that preys on women's insecurities?
The point of this sub is education, not suppressing it.
MySkinsRedditAcct ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:31:41 on March 26, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ok what products are we going after? What are we criticing? There are no left eyebrow products so what is your actual concern?
Winston_The_Ogre ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:33 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Then dont buy the shit.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:20:41 on March 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Don't buy it, and do joke about it on twitter (and ScA). Why is this so hard to understand?
coldhandses ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:37:59 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget paying ~$200 for haircuts when men pay ~$20.
FagHatLOL ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:57:38 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Guy here. I pay about $50-60 usually
CatchupCats ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:10:31 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs almost like they want us to consume more and more shit!
bangbangahah ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:43:57 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Or you could stop buying it? No one is forcing you to. This is kinda how the free market works.
NVCGenny ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:41:12 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I see more men with even skintone and clearer skin though. I think women suffer more do to a good amount have hormonal acne and need birth control. While men don't do birth control as a form of fixing acne. But also maybe the fact that some men's skincare is more simple, sometimes simplicity helps more than overload.
Picture_Maker ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:50:22 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Birth control makes my acne worse. And I do believe statistics say women in general deal with acne, but the guys who do have acne get it worse, especially as teenagers.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:16:31 on March 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have read the opposite, that acne more often afflicts men because they have more androgens.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:32:10 on March 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Men also have hormonal acne. Hormonal acne =/= PMS acne. Men don't use birth control to fix acne because they can't take estrogen.
glimmeringsea ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:30:31 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I'm a woman and don't want any 3-in-1 products specifically marketed toward women. Have you ever used one of those overpriced, highly fragranced Philosophy shower gels as an actual shampoo? I stupidly have, and not surprisingly, it absolutely sucked and dried my hair out.
Please keep giving me carefully formulated, highly specific products that do their intended job well. I'm not interested in bogus multi-taskers that do three things badly.
ugly-scientist ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:54:58 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I donโt think the commentary here is that womenโs products should be 3-in-1s. Itโs that the marketing of products is sexist. Plain olโ products are advertised as โhighly specific productsโ (see many moisturizers vs. eye creams) for women, and products are marketed as suitable for everything under the sun for men when they really shouldnโt be.
glimmeringsea ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 04:01:36 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Marketing is about making money. Plenty of products prey on men's insecurities as well (products to combat hair loss, improve penis size/function, etc.), so the "sexism" cuts both ways.
And the recent spate of "for men" skincare products is actively getting away from 3-in-1s and into highly specific uses as well; companies want to tap into a newer viable market to make more money.
There are now plenty of examples of eye cream for men: 1 2 3 4 5 and dozens more. But somehow I'm sure there will be a denial of this or a special case will be made about how everything is so terrible for women (and we're talking about elective consumerism here), even with tons of actual evidence to the contrary.
ugly-scientist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:22:23 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, I was just trying to explain the meme to you because it seemed like you didnโt get what it was saying. Sexism certainly does cut both ways and has negatives for both women and men, as I mentioned in my earlier comment!!
glimmeringsea ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 05:02:34 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't need the meme "explained" to me, lol. I obviously just don't agree with it.
ugly-scientist ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:12:04 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That is obvious now, youโre right. Did not seem obvious to me in the first comment, it seemed like you thought the tweet was encouraging 3-in-1 type products for women. Truly was not trying to argue with anyoneโs views, just make an explanatory comment.
AstuteBlackMan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:11:09 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Because they know women spend more money
Cristalit3 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:46:55 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You donโt have to buy anything. Itโs entirely your choice.
drearyspice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:03:06 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
where can I get that elbow cream
๐๏ธ anvitality ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:03:35 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sephora probably
TisRepliedAuntHelga ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 23:24:34 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
twitter is so funny and original!
[deleted] ยท -26 points ยท Posted at 19:57:38 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 20:07:17 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
E- Make fun of the beauty industry for being dumb.
Tutiloo ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 20:43:36 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Only they (and I mean the white men who own and profit from it) clearly arenโt as they are making a fortune out of playing on sex role stereotypes that disadvantage women.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:53:43 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Making a profit is the definition of intelligence now?
๐๏ธ anvitality ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 20:16:17 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This deliberately and painfully misses the point.
Tutiloo ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:44:08 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Agree. Although I do buy menโs razors to use on my legs ; )
LeucanthemumVulgare ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:43:04 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Double edged safety razors are the shit and you can very cheaply get a razor handle and a sample pack of blades. I don't bother with fancy shaving soaps on my legs: Suave conditioner is hella cheap, comes in large bottles that last me months, and actually gives me less razor burn than anything else I've ever tried.
Tutiloo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:11:05 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly what I use too!
LeucanthemumVulgare ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:52:17 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There are dozens of us!
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:03:51 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You sound fun ๐
The meme was clearly sarcasm, common.
BlackForestMountain ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 00:29:55 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's not sarcasm, it's hyperbole. Sarcasm is the use of remarks that clearly mean the opposite of what they say.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:10:50 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you so much for the English lesson, but Iโm well aware of what it means. But the meme still implies sarcasm, stated in a hyperbolic way.
Surfer_Khai ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 03:53:03 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Here's the thing, any guy with nice skin/hair/beard/whatever doesn't use any of that 20in1 crap. That's designed for the average person that doesn't know any better, and won't get any results from it nor will they care.
It is sexist but not in the way that this phrases it, it's sexist against guys, not convenient for guys. So your choices are, use the 20in1 products, get no results (go see the guys that are using those) or use the specific products and actually see something.
It's the same thing with that "Women's shirts are 50$ and men get 3 shirts in a pack for 10$" I guarantee you that you won't be dating the guy that wears those.
partypooperpuppy ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 06:10:46 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, you do buy "rose hip oil"
๐๏ธ anvitality ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:42:38 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wait wat?
partypooperpuppy ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 09:12:11 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's a play on marketing things that are scientifically just worthless.
๐๏ธ anvitality ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:14:28 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No?