They used a camera with a suction cup to follow the Sperm Whales down deep into the ocean, but never found the squid. They did see some interesting whale behavior though.
Later on we have found living giant squids and filmed them, often dying ones.
I'd like to point out it was almost 2 decades ago. Isn't it odd how we all still think of the time around 2000 as a decade ago even though it isn't anymore? I do it all the time too lol
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:14:53 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Whales are pretty smart, no? I wonder if they realized the critter cam was responsible for the very unusual light down there, and rubbed against the whale to get it off.
At 1:14, when the guy comes in and says "sure made sense to me," he talks so in sync with the music that at first I thought he was gonna start rapping.
[deleted] ยท 368 points ยท Posted at 21:45:10 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Sure made sense to me / We will use the whales to see / All those squid beneath the sea
fuckin awesome find, seems cameras can survive the pressure. Now if only they had nightvision. They are focusing entirely on whales here, not just what the whales see. All you see is dark and the whale's skin.
[deleted] ยท 95 points ยท Posted at 18:35:34 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
From what little I've read giant squid quickly dry out above water which makes them shrink so accurate measurements can be hard, perhaps this affects their skin color as well?
dekket ยท 99 points ยท Posted at 17:59:18 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Nightvision is pretty useless in zero light. 0 times <anything> is still zero.
You need infrared. If that'll even work. I don't know how cold it is or how much the creatures differ in temperature.
[deleted] ยท 83 points ยท Posted at 18:54:46 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 22:56:21 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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dekket ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:20:58 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Does that include whales and squid?
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 19:53:56 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
He's talking about infrared illumination, not heat vision. I'm pretty sure that cam does have infrared illumination, it has some illumination anyway. Infrared penetrates pretty well and solid state cameras are extremely sensitive to IR.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 23:24:40 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
If we just had meat vision, we could see everything in the sea perfectly, because all fish/animals are made of meat.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:08:03 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Hell ya...btw are you high?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:42:23 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
No, I was trying to reference the meat vision thing from fairly odd parents. I am also a frequent viewer/commenter on /r/shittyaskscience
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:42:16 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
I was wondering about IR's penetrating water. I was going to not post that, but then I thought "probably either UV or IR penetrate, and I think UV doesn't penetrate at all so IR probably does."
Should have gone with my first instinct. Or, you know, just kept my yap shut about stuff I don't know. That would be good too I guess.
Doesn't matter. Everything emits radiation of some sort. The chemical processes that keep living things alive are enough to register on a sensitive enough camera.
It wouldn't be a clear picture, but you'd see something.
Infrared is only used because its not visible. This makes it so you're still stealthy. It's easier just to use real lights because they're a lot brighter and you need that in 0 light situations.
Edit: I'm talking about active night vision
dekket ยท 67 points ยท Posted at 18:26:16 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
And you can't exactly attach an artificial light source to a whale, that'll screw up their natural life.
What if the light was equipped with a special sensor that would only turn on when the whale was attacking (since I assume there's a lot of thrashing around)? That way it wouldn't affect its hunting and would consume far less power.
I reckon modern technology would allow us to equip a whale with headlights. You could make them motion sensitive or something so it could still sleep in the dark.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:43:11 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
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dekket ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:06:00 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Semantics but yes. You are technically correct. The best kind of correct. I meant visible light. It is cheaper to create wide spectrum flood lights though. Either way, someone else in this thread pointed out the real flaw in this idea. Strapping a spotlight to a whale is not an option.
Ok then how about this. We strap a tracker to the whale, which we already do every day anyway. We get a small vehicle kind of like those things than scuba divers hold onto with the propeller. We set the tracker device to send it's location data out every few seconds. This data is received by the propeller vehicle thing which has a huge IR light mounted to it, and it can adjust its course according to the location data given by the tracker. Now you have a big IR light (or could be UV, or anything else) that follows the whales and can see, without creating any actual visible light (though I don't know what the visible spectrum of sea cretures is, it can't be too far off of ours), and can record without actually being strapped on the whale.
OR, bioengineer a biolumenescent whale. Like its entire body would glow fiercely.
Travzaz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:19:33 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You had me at Bioluminescent whale.
EDIT: To resolve the spotlight problem, it does not need to be on at all times. We could tether the light turning on to some variable, like the whale's pulse increasing (which insures we get epic squid battles recorded.)
This reminds me of an episode of the show Better Off Ted where they create a bioluminescent squirrel. The squirrel goes crazy from never being able to sleep due to the glow.
Obviously that's a TV show, but I imagine making it glow would alert any possible prey and likely work against he whale in the long run?
No the whole idea is that the whales lead you to the giant squids!
shuey1 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 21:26:08 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The amount of energy you'd need to light up the area around a whale at the depths they dive to would probably boil the water at the surface, and it would take a lot of energy. think of it this way, if the light from the sun can't reach those depths, we'd need more power than that from the sun which is reaching the surface of the ocean, and a bioluminescent whale which makes enough light for a Camera to see things around the whale would never be able to consume enough calories to create that much light, partly because everything would see it coming and partly because it's a shit ton of energy thats needed to create that much light. However if you do get the IR spotlight working, I would love to see that thing boiling off tons of water to watch a whale swim.
I was entirely sarcastic, but ok. You would not need nearly as much power as you think, the light source would already be at the depths you want to see at, it wouldn't have to be concerned with travelling over a thousand meters through fluid. You have terrible energy intuition if you think that it would take anywhere near the energy required to boil the ocean. And boiling "part" of the ocean makes no sense and would never happen.
What makes you think that the amount of light has to be more than the sun? The sun can't reach that depth because it needs to penetrate all that water. While you'd still need incredibly strong lamps to make an impact, it doesn't need to go as far as the sun does.
n9-00 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:55:34 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Why? Strapping a camera is, why not a spotlight too?
Maybe becase we are trying to observe the journey of the whale. Not screw with it by attaching a bright light to it. Observe not disturb
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:01:00 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The camera in that video was infrared. But if there's nothing to see but empty water, yeah, it will mostly be a black video. The light won't show anything until there's an object for it to reflect off. If the whales had come across a squid, we probably would have seen it, but as the narrator says, it was probably just a diving exercise for the calves.
[deleted] ยท 317 points ยท Posted at 17:27:04 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
After about 1000 meters you need a no light camera. At about 200 meters down you need low light cameras. These cameras also need to withstand pressure differences, be able to stay attached without harming the animal, be able to withstand temperature differences, and then be retrievable.
All of that, except once we have a global network established, the cameras can batch stream when the whale surfaces for air, which should be for at least a few seconds every hour or two, so theoretically possible with a strong enough transmission signal.
It is much more logical to have a method for the camera to break loose and float to the surface after a certain period of time. Then it's just an easy retrieval with a net.
You are absolutely correct. Easier on battery life, better control over quality of data, easier to retrieve equipment, less chance of interference with host's normal activities.
You should sell this to someone.
hezwat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:33:07 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You should sell this to someone.
"Foursquare for marine animals. I think I'll pass." - someone
I'm pretty sure you could use something similar to veterinary suture glue. It would wear off in about a week or so and wouldn't cause any long term damage.
Rekane ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:06:59 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
But then you'd have to attach cameras all over again
[deleted] ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 17:45:32 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
that's a good point, I hadn't considered that, but how strong would this signal need to be and could it interfere with anything the whale is doing?
Someone else commented on my last comment, and it actually makes a lot more sense to do it the way they commented. Especially in light of your comment.
Just let the camera roll until it's full, and then it detaches from the whale and floats to the surface.
Once there, it can give of a GPS signal, which is easier on battery life to blip once every hour than to try and stream video data. It reduces the hassle in getting the equipment back, it gets more reliable footage, since you don't risk transmission degradation, and it also removes almost all of the risk of the camera interfering with the whale's normal life (especially as small as cameras can be these days).
Depends how far they transmit; you basically have a triangle of low energy consumption, long transmission range and high transmission data rate; you can only have 2.
You could give them something really fancy like a SHF/UHF satellite uplink and constantly send something like standard definition video of the time the whale had just been underwater, but to power that you would need something like a turbine on / in it (which would eventually get clogged) and also a decently sized battery. The satellite antenna would also be about the size of a dinner plate and would have issues in signal strength (due to the whales not keeping their backs pointed directly upwards) unless you also put it on a mechanical gimbal, or spent a ridiculous amount of money building an electronically steered array.
Just skip the actual whale entirely and build a whale shaped power generation facility with a camera and fully gimballed satellite uplink. Leave some room for a couple of passengers and have them drive around the ocean picking fights with giant squid.
be able to stay attached without harming the animal
If whales get barnacles then surely it's possible to attach a camera without harming the whale anymore than a barnacle would?
Also... how do other fish see each other that far down? If 'conventional' cameras don't work because there's no light, then use whatever the marine life uses..? Or maybe attach a light to the camera (but not projecting any visible light, so the whale isn't disturbed).
[deleted] ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 17:54:35 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
"Once theyโre satisfied with their location, the barnacles dig in โ literally. As they mature into adults, they form tube-shaped cavities in their shells that actually draw in prongs of growing whale skin. The result is an attachment as firmly rooted as the most pernicious weed."
I don't know of any technology we have that would do that.
I dunno. We've created technology by observing other lifeforms before - I forget what the term is - bio-something... biomimetrics?
Does whale skin grow in a standard shape? i.e. would it be possible just to add a surface of tubes onto the side of the camera, that were shaped like the tubes the barnacles use?
kavien ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:38:50 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I doubt that a degradable barbed dart or the like would present sufficient to the whale and would suffice for attachment.
Well, considering a mini robot costs $1.72. The weight is 33 gram, so the shipping from Honolulu to Geneva is $6.39. And if you make the box yourself with a bit of cardboard you could do it for under $10.
TNT will always find a way to fuck up your customs clearance though.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:13:16 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Except that their is now a living organism involved that we should not harm. And the point is to see it living its normal life. Anything that impacts its behavior ruins the whole idea.
The lack of a global dipolar magnetic field and a thick atmosphere with an ozone layer, which would respectively divert cosmic rays or solar energetic particles and absorb ultraviolet rays, makes Marsโ surface is now a sterile place where life cannot survive. So if you get the chance to look beneath rocks or deep underground in the possibly wet and more temperate part of the planetโs interior and find something, do let me know.
presumably the interesting things are not at thermal equilibrium, maybe IR stuff can capture thermal radiation, if it does not get absorbed by the water too quickly.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:00:05 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
We put men in space... I'm sure we can make this camera.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:55:38 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You could have a camera with a really good light on a whale, even with a battery pack that recharges using an impeller generator. Not sure if this would make the whale a target, but whales certainly would be less bothered by this bulky equipment than other animals.
TLDR; you need a light.
me_suds ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:59:26 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
if only we could also make a light source portable enough to strap to the whale as well , maybe some day we will have that technology
I'd be concerned about exposing animals that live in total darkness to direct UV. Would it be possible to burn a squid? I'm thinking of that fat vampire boiling in Blade
Squids are cold-blooded. meaning their body temperature won't be that much different from the environment's...which means they would be hard as fuck to see with an infrared camera. You might see some fuzzy shapes but not much else. If they were able to use a floodlight and a normal camera they'd be better off.
They should strap bright spotlights to the whale which will draw more life to it at great depths out of the other animals curiosity. That could cause some interesting interactions.
Might make the whale more vulnerable to predators and make it hard for them to find prey. But sending a submarine drone to a whale carcass could be interesting
Tobiand ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:22:44 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think anything that spends its entire life in pitch black darkness will be "intrigued" by hi-beams
Boshaft ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:50:57 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It's possible that some species down there will have gone blind, like the Mexican Tetra, but there are other sources of light than the sun, like the bioluminescence of the anglerfish
Sperm Whales are my bae. I love everything about them and I will (hopefully) soon be dedicating my life, time wise, to learn more about them.
One of the biggest issues is that they remove the cameras from one another. Something about the cameras annoys the sperm whales, so they have a buddy remove it for them. It could be some sort of frequency the camera is putting out that they can detect. The sperm whale could feel this strange sensation on its skin and not like it. It could even be that the sperm whale can tell that the camera is affecting its hydrodynamics and for an animal that thrives on diving that is pretty much a big no. It could even be a fellow sperm whale seeing the foreign device and removing it without the sperm whale knowing it had a camera on it.
We have the technology for cameras to go as deep as sperm whales dive... the sperm whales just don't like the cameras.
And actually, now watching that YouTube video that is exactly what happened. The sperm whales just do not like the cameras. Until we can make a camera that we know is utterly silent and incredibly tiny we will probably never get full footage of a sperm whale critter cam.
They have an infrared illuminator, that's the only reason it can see as much as it can. "Night vision" if by that you mean low light and not infrared, would be utterly useless. It's not "low light" down there, it's "no light". No camera can see down there, any more than they can see in a deep cave with no lights.
Why wouldn't an inanimate object with no moving parts not survive the pressure? Just seal it up, maybe even pre-pressurize it. The things that don't survive the pressure are large squishy objects with big egos which require large, complicated vessels to protect them.
You know, anytime I see something like this, I'm asking myself why the fuck they didn't do it more than just the once or twice. This was way back in 2008 or even before and you're telling me that no one has tried this again in seven years?
ONe trip was more than enough, we've seen all there was to see. Now quit your yapping, the lizard men don't want the location of their secret underwater bases disclosed. Look, a free Reddit gold thread is going on at /r/circlejerk, go, go, go!
[deleted] ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 17:05:04 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
This is the one I loved watching as a kid. Sea Monsters: The Search for the Giant Squid. Full of great facts, and cool 3D animations which were pretty good for the time, 1998.
Saving the video for later, but can I get a heads up on how they attach the camera to the whale?
jsveiga ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:24:49 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It's quite clever, looks like a pump sucks air from a suction cup which attaches to the whale. Then I guess it releases the pressure when they want the device to surface. When it surfaces, it radio signals the mother ship for recovery.
That's awesome, I could only think they would harpoon a hook into or a team of guys would put a belt on the whale
jsveiga ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:43:30 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I first though that too, but then I was wondering how hard it would be to recover the equipment. The suction cup thing solves the recovering issue and is easier/less painful to attach. Clever scientists!
tevert ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:00:05 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
"Octopuses" Used in a history channel bit. Are you fucking kidding?
[deleted] ยท 4262 points ยท Posted at 15:52:58 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
What if you spend millions to rent a boat and crew and sail around looking for a sperm whale, successfully attach a camera, only to find out that Steve the sperm whale has no interest in fighting giant squids. In fact, he spends most of his time in his room listening to the Cure while painting shitty paintings with only black and brown.
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Not my app, unfortunately. I don't even think it has to do with the app, but rather the phone (and my amazing for budget Huawei Ascend Mate 2 unfortunately doesn't have those symbols installed it seems).
[deleted] ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 19:24:05 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Actually they do. My biology teacher in high school told us that when it is whale mating season, you can literally see their semen from a helicopter because it's all in the water in a small area. Not sure how real this is but he was a good teacher and really knew his shit so maybe it's true.
edit: turns out my biology teacher knew his shit. He was a great guy and an even better teacher. We didn't actually learn about whale mating, but he would give us the most random, awesome facts almost daily and this was one of them.
Yes it is true. Its funny because not only am i a helicopter pilot who has taken people over the reefs of southern Australia and seen this, but i also studied marine geography and learnt all about this. We watched a documentary on whale semen.
Flying in a helicopter over the reefs of southern Australia has now been added to my bucket list.
[deleted] ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 18:19:24 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I've heard some whale species do it missionary style, but the bottom partner starts sinking down, so they get a third involved to basically be a bed for Thing 1 and Thing 2 to get their freak on.
[deleted] ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 20:11:37 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Friend zoned
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:01:30 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Dolphins do that! I learned that by reading about sex in space, and how humans will also need a third wheel to help them have sex because there is nothing to push against.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:27:24 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Haha really? Man, I feel like our technological capabilities might come in a bit more handy than "hey, Mike, get in here so I can fuck my wife on your back!"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:29:54 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Zero gee sex cages
tinkthe ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:47:26 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I think whales normally mass mate aka lots of males around females, or something obviously to not show which one may or may not be the father or something.
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 19:08:09 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I bet there are tons of former goth kids, current adults who get like really perturbed that The Cure is played on 80s stations just the same as the pop that was big back then. They tried to hard to make it different, but now we think it's the same.
I wasn't alive in the 80s and this really surprised me. It's totally like you said, the music is so strongly associated with 80s pop now that I never thought of it in any other context.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:53:32 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Well, they didn't just 'try', they succeeded. Musically, they are very different. People do the same thing to all 'classical' (I mean that in the broad sense, not actually the classical period) musicians, and clump them together without realizing how absurdly different their styles are, just because of the context they know them from.
Goth are people who are into darker sides of reality/culture/etc. It was initially entirely a music trend. They aren't (edit: necessarily) depressed, but their views come of as 'depressing'.
Emo is based on the word 'emo'tional. They like to overreact about their own issues. Whereas goth people would ignore many aspects of life and think of them as meaningless due to their eventual demise, emo people would be whining about their relationships (or lack thereof). I don't care for either viewpoint, but goth is more respectable.
40's, but the term back then describes a very different trend than the one now. And there haven't been waves/generations of hipsters, this is either the first or the second, depending how you want to look at it.
As a widespread movement by name, yes. But the movement by name overlapped with emo (see Armor For Sleep's Williamsburg music video), not just existing after its death, as you suggest. In fact, it started in the 90s (Montage of Heck refers to an early Nirvana review by hipsters), and it was named referencing the 40s trend, so it's not unfair to call it a second wave (by name). I also don't think the 40s trend was as different as you claim. It was a scene built around new trends in underground music. Same idea, hence the name copying.
The current hipster trend was described as 'bohemian' when it was first forming, which was what 40s hipsters were, then replaced by the beatniks, and then the hippies, before coming back to hipsters, as this describes. The hipster vibe has had many generations and iterations. So you're correct that, by name, there haven't been a plethora, but I'll stand by my original statement if we're talking about vibe and lifestyle choice (especially since I wrote hipsters in quotes to begin with).
"It was a scene built around new trends in underground music. Same idea, hence the name copying."
Which I agree with to some extent. It makes sense why they used the same term, but the genre/motivation of the music they are following are absurdly different. At their heart, it's two separate trends with superficial similarities.
"But the movement by named overlapped with emo...not just existing after its death, as you suggest."
That's misleading. Sure, they 'overlap', but only in the brief period as emo was dying out and hipster was picking up steam.
"Montage of Heck refers to an early Nirvana review by hipsters"
Huh?
"The current hipster trend was described as 'bohemian' when it was first forming..."
Yawn. We all have access to google. Don't bring up irrelevant shit to try to make yourself sound smarter. Pretentious as can be.
~'hipsters/beatniks/hippies/hipsters'"
Each their own unique counter-cultures with little to no relation to the previous.
"plethora"
Christ mate.
"...I'll stand by my original statement..."
It's wrong, I told you why it's wrong, you clearly googled it and failed to find any information to back up your claim, and then stuck your entire argument on an idiotic article that actually disagrees with what you said anyway. "And now we've come full circle". The article itself says this is the second wave of hipsters.
Agree to disagree. There have been two waves of hipsters by name and more by ideology. That's what I've said all along and that's what I stand by. Sorry if you disagree, but you have given me nothing to change my mind on the topic. It's mostly semantics anyway.
"So you're correct that, by name, there haven't been a plethora,"
The problem is that you tried to pointlessly use a complicated word that you couldn't form a sentence with. What you said doesn't make sense. As long as I can understand what a person is trying to say I'm normally fine with it, but not when they are trying to sound smart instead of focusing on the topic at hand.
"...two waves of hipsters by name..."
Yes.
"...more by ideology..."
No, this is the very first by ideology.
"...you have given me nothing to change my mind on the topic."
The problem is that you made up your mind with no evidence. You were convinced that the have been previous 'waves' of hipsters. You then looked up evidence to specifically back that up, rather than researching for the truth. When you didn't find evidence, instead of realizing you were wrong, you went full moving goalpost fallacy.
"Agree to disagree"
That only works in the case of two valid stances. That's not what we have here though.
"it's mostly semantics anyway"
Semantics are incredibly important. Aside from that, you entirely dismissed the semantics based argument when you said "...two waves of hipsters by name and more by ideology...". There is no argument of semantics here, we both agree that there have only been two waves of hipsters by name.
"...you have given me nothing to change my mind..."
But I have. You also made up your mind based on absolutely 0 evidence or reasoning.
So let's go over the shred of non-existence 'evidence' you are sticking to, which is that 'hipsters/beatneks/hippies/(current) hipsters all share the same ideology'.
Hipster (1940's):
-Listened exclusively to Jazz music.
-"The hipster adopted the lifestyle of the jazz musician, including some or all of the following: dress, slang, use of cannabis and other drugs, relaxed attitude, sarcastic humor, self-imposed poverty and relaxed sexual codes."
-Followed African American culture
-No overarching philosophy.
Hippy
-Psychedelic music + drugs
-Eastern philosophy and spirituality
-Nomad-esque
-Sexual revolution
-Pacifist/anti-war
(Modern) Hipster:
-Vintage/retro/ironic materialistic fashion/objects
-Indie music
-No overarching philosophy
None of the counter-cultures have the same 'ideology', and the current hipster trend has no relation to any of the previous movements. It's an insult to your own intelligence to try to argue differently, but I will gladly watch you try.
The mind of a moron is baffling. I am entirely calm, and never claimed you to not be calm. When you realize you are wrong, simply acknowledge it and move on. That's the difference between smart people who become smarter and stupid people who become even more idiotic. I can only give you the information and the reasoning, I can't make you pick a path.
I was referencing Big Lebowski. Dude, chill. You obviously won the argument, no need for more name calling (not that there ever was, but if it made you feel better, who am I to stop you?). I just think it's funny how passionate people get over stupid issues, just to be right. How long did you spend typing and formatting your perfect internet reply? lol. No biggie. You were right, and I was wrong. Hopefully you can move on too.
Sorry, I didn't get the reference at all (still don't know it).
I'm not passionate over the issue, I just don't care for 'unresolved' discussions so to speak. As long as the other person is being rational, I continue the discussion until every point has been covered.
"How long did you spend typing and formatting your perfect internet reply"
Hard to say. Typed it while watching netflix/listening to music/playing video games. Spent quite some time reading articles and stuff, but that's because I felt like learning more about it, and making sure my previous inclinations were actually backed up by facts. I'd say 30 minutes or so spent typing/researching.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:43:26 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I miss the days of Rites of Spring and Hot Water Music. Also, later, The Get Up Kids. That was some fucking good emo.
Panic! At The Disco is not actually emo! Panic is pop-punk, and at some points leans more towards just plain pop, whereas emo is more of an offshoot of punk. In fact, there's a pretty big emo revival going on right now, it's just mostly underground. This is a pretty good example of modern emo, or, say, this.
Hardcore scenesters are still around, much less than in the nineties and early aughts, but they def haven't died out. I also have a problem with the progression from Goth -> emo -> hipster, although all of the emo kids and scenesters I knew in high school all live in Silver Lake and play in beardy folk bands now, maybe there was a progression.
It's not so much a progression, as it is just a shift in trends. I doubt the people who actually took the ideals to heart actually made the transition, as emo and hipster have absolutely no relation (at least not any I can think of).
Timguin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:55:06 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Both have almost entirely died out.
Where do you live? US? I'm just interested in where they've died out. I live in England and we still have a good sized and active community going on. Mostly the EBM/industrial and dark wave crowd, but also quite a few 80's goths and crust punks running around. My native Germany has a lot going on still as well, as far as I know. I'm guessing there's not much going on across the pond anymore. It never really took off as much there as over here, I believe.
Oh, my bad. Yes I live in the US and am honestly 100% ignorant to the cultures in other countries. There's still some goths/emo/scene/etc clinging on here, but the trends are entirely gone.
hennel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:28:58 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Already is one, and they're already making a documentary
The 52-hertz whale is an individual whale of unidentified species, which calls at the very unusual frequency of 52 Hz. This pitch is a much higher frequency than that of the other whale species with migration patterns most closely resembling this whale's[1] โ the Blue Whale (10โ39 Hz)[2] or Fin Whale (20 Hz).[1] It has been detected regularly in many locations since the 1980s and appears to be the only individual emitting a whale call at this frequency. It has been described as the "world's loneliest whale".
No whales can hear the poor fucker.
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A feature-length documentary entitled 52: The Search for the Loneliest Whale is in production, shot by Joshua Zeman, the director of Cropsey, and produced by Adrian Grenier. Funded through a Kickstarter campaign, the film is due for release sometime in 2015.[9][10][11]
I think you have goth confused with mall goth, and emo confused with the faux "emo" movement of the mid 2000s. In reality, the two are worlds away from each other.
That'd be goth. The difference is that emos listen to shitty music.
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 17:55:29 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The only difference between emo, scene, and goth is that scene kids wear color and emo kids are trying to be goth but can't actually nut up and do the things that come with it.
Charnt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:58:22 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Or emos just like the style of clothing?
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 18:54:48 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I told you, Mom, it's not Steve it's Azraeth the Pained and I don't fight squids, I just travel to the darkest depths of the sea to swim where the water is as black as my soul and for the last time this is not just a phase! This is who I am! Deal with it!
What if you spend millions to rent a boat and crew and sail around looking for a sperm whale, successfully attach a camera, only to find out that Steve the sperm whale that cameras can't withstand the pressure at the deepest parts of the ocean
Actually, a few years back they did in fact attach a camera to a sperm whale. The whale started diving, then stopped for no reason. Within a few minutes another sperm whale swam right up to the camera to (to the point were all you could see is its huge eye) then preceded to ram the camera untill it was knocked off. Pretty amazing stuff.
Humans aren't the brightest fish in the sea, either. We've almost killed the planet in just a few centuries... Not exactly what you're saying (accidents happen no matter the species), but still!
"Jรคtteblรคckfisken" reminds me of some of the long words used for street names that I saw during my trip to Europe. I think one of them was 28 letters and began with a D. Good story.
Lumpkyns ยท 180 points ยท Posted at 12:37:38 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That is a brilliant idea. But would they need lights, and how would the whales tolerate strange lights stick on them?
mmmkunz ยท 176 points ยท Posted at 17:55:16 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
With some sensors, you could have the camera trigger a flash when it detects that the sperm whale is closing in for a kill. I'm sure there'd be some possible way to do this like looking for distinctive sonar pings or a burst of acceleration.
This would also have the effect of blinding and disorienting deep sea creatures in the moments before the whale attacks. To be honest, my goal isn't to study the ocean but instead to make cyborg whales which work cooperatively with human technology to overcome their enemies.
Natural selection would begin to favor these whales, and those that are inclined to approach the scientists would live longer. Eventually stopping by the research vessels to get enhanced would be part of their migratory pattern.
[deleted] ยท 71 points ยท Posted at 20:30:00 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
We can take this further. Humanity should actively back certain species in the wild with weaponry and support gear.
They probably can't feel them, I mean we place trackers on turtles, seals, fish, sharks. I mean I saw some video with a gopro strapped to a turtle's back. Hell some whales live for decades or even a century with a harpoon in their back. Just put a small webcam sort of device with nightvision (lights would fuck up the whale's hunting) and it might get torn off or whatever, but there's a chance we could see some epic shit.
Unless the pressure in the deep ocean makes the camera break or something. I'd invest in developing such a technology. We spend too much time trying to explore space with idiotic hopes of terraforming a shithole like Mars when there's a ton of the Earth we've barely explored and need to focus our energy on preserving.
Well, I think the trouble there is Antarctica has nothing on it. Mars has minerals and shit, and even if it didn't it's massive next to Antarctica, so I guess it's more worth it.
Well, that defeats itself. No natural resources to export, not enough room to house very many people. It's nothing you want out of colony, and damn sure not worth what it takes to live there. I think McMurdo is as much colony as we need there.
CRISPR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:42:12 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Historically colonization has been very rarely a movement (as in UNIX "mv" command), it was expansion: some folks went to scalp Indians (or vice versa, I am not picking sides right now), and some folks left to make German genius rule The Old World in three easy installments.
But that's my point, that wouldn't be expansion. If anything that's stagnating a lot of resources by pouring them into an extreme southern ice cube. Expansion there wouldn't do anyone a ton of good for anything but research.
CRISPR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:49:53 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ok, fine, let's go to Mars instead. Just one time can the whole group go where I want?
Uh Antarctica has accessible water, an atmosphere (basically period), not to mention a breathable one, lower winds, less erosion, lack of sandstorms. Whereas mars has mineral trapped minute amounts of water, Mars has 1/150th of Earth's atmosphere, making it near vacuum, what atmosphere exists is 96% CO2, and argon and nitrogen make up 3.8 of the remaining 4%. Has hundred of mile an hour winds, which with such a small atmosphere wouldn't be that big a deal if it wasn't carrying such small dust and sand particles that can erode the shit out of stuff. Much easier to live in Antarctica. And there's a ton of room on Antarctica, as shown here compared to Europe: http://mallemaroking.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Antarctica.png
EDIT: The only upside really of going to Mars is to spread out humanity to increase our changes of survival.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:20:40 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not fucking with hard numbers here, I'm just armchair theorizing. My point was just that if we were going to further colonize something on Earth, there's plenty of room in America, Australia, and probably plenty of other places that don't regularly see subzero temperatures. Plenty of land here, but Mars is literally a whole other world. So if we want to further colonize Earth, pick the easier road. If want something really hard, may as well go big or go home.
Gotcha. My vote is Moon first for technology demonstration and maturing. It's close (only a couple days away) and then if shit goes downhill fast, you can save people and bring them back. Gravity on Moon is 1/6 Earth while Mars is 1/3 Earth. Regolith to simulate sand issues, similarly small to nonexistant atmosphere. Then Mars and Venus at same time. I'll let you look up all the pros of colonizing Venus, but it's some pretty cool stuff.
If memory serves, Venus has those superdeep caves all over it, right? Or, wait, actually that was a Vonnegut novel. Whatever. Anyway, the Moon would be cool. Wonder what humanity would look like after a few generations there.
Longer limbed, thin boned probably (see the Expanse sci-fi novel series, they discuss changes from all of the different places humans live, pretty cool). And we couldn't live on the surface of Venus, at least not without significant terraforming. Pressure 90x that of Earth. We could create a floating cloud city though, which would be sweet.
Mars has more promise than Antarctica. They're both cold, but mars actually has mineral filled soil, and it may be possible to farm there with some heavy bioengineering. Anarctica is a bunch of ice and stuff.
CRISPR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:55:48 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The main mineral resource known on the continent is coal. It was first recorded near the Beardmore Glacier by Frank Wild on the Nimrod Expedition, and now low-grade coal is known across many parts of the Transantarctic Mountains. The Prince Charles Mountains contain significant deposits of iron ore. The most valuable resources of Antarctica lie offshore, namely the oil and natural gas fields found in the Ross Sea in 1973.
I am 90% sure that global warming won't melt coal and iron.
24 h of darkness during certain times of the year wouldnt help antarctic agriculture
Inigo93 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:41:56 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Neither does -125 F nights. Gonna have to have a dome to protect from the elements any way you cut it. Once you're there, artificial lights are pretty trivial.
Haha, the poles of mars literally do have tons of ice
Inigo93 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:40:23 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
And you can't plant anything on Mars either. Oh, sure, you could bring your little biodome to Mars, but you could do that to Antarctica too for a fraction of the cost.
Well global warming is going to sort out the "sacredness" of Antarctica for us in good time, once it melts all the ice off and destroys the entire antarctic ecosystem...
Yes, but with nightvision, just because we can't see infrared, doesn't mean other creatures can't.
CRISPR ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:10:16 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
We spend too much time trying to explore space with idiotic hopes of terraforming a shithole like Mars when there's a ton of the Earth we've barely explored and need to focus our energy on preserving
fuck Mars and fuck space, let's make Earth perfect. The universe is infinite and for all we know aliens could be 2 dimensional or gas-based and impossible for us to even percieve, let alone interact with. It is the unknown, but if we keep looking at the stars we'll just rot. Let's make Earth great and explore the oceans
DasReap ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:23:54 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Why can't we do both? Honestly there's no reason to "fuck space." It's completely different organizations that take care of space and earth.
wealthier educated people have fewer children. If more people are wealthy and educated the population levels off.
DasReap ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:05:05 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Well I'm glad you've got that all squared away. Why has no one thought of this solution before?
Yeah man, in a perfect world everyone could be educated and wealth could be distributed fairly and we could all take care of the earth. But that's just so far from reality.
It would be one of the most unforgettable adventures of human mind, and those to go would leave a legacy far greater than Armstrong, or nearly anyone else. It would be a testament to the capability of humanity, the imagination and creativity of humanity, and the information learned will fill textbooks upon textbooks. It will change the world. The rocket fuel burned is one of the last things to consider when looking at the implications of a voyage to Mars. We will know the Cosmos just a little better (just like deep ocean exploration would do).
People may need to go there one day, if setting up a colony is successful. You read this as fiction, but no, there may very well be a day where there is absolutely no one on Earth, yet a population on Mars. It is the only reasonable platform for the extension of the lifetime of the species.
You sound so ignorant. You are telling thousands of astronomers, geologists, engineers, biologists, and more, that their work is pointless and should cease, without even taking any time to understand it.
It basically comes down to this: We have a problem on Earth, and that is that we are damamging the ecosystem which supports us, and we are arguably overpopulated. We need a solution. Some people choose to reach for the stars, and do whatever is possible to continue on, and experience the universe to its fullest. Some people, like you, would rather control the population, not giving two shits about the uneducated or the poor. Which one of those people are really concerned about the well being of humanity? The difference is simple: those who are for mars do not see a limit in our potential. You put strict limits on everyone.
What a stupid comment. We will rot either way. Earth will never be perfect. No matter what we do, everyone will die in a relatively short time period. So why not make the most of our time here while it lasts? There is so much to know, so many courageous questions to ask, and so many mind boggling answers that lie only in space. We do it because we crave adventure, and we crave to know. Telling someone to fuck space and stay on the ground is such a sad thing to hear.
Had you been living a couple hundred years ago, you would have condemned the voyages to America. "We have plenty of shit here to deal with, fuck the "new world", what's the point in wasting energy going over there"?
Don't you know that all the trackers on marine animals that you seem so excited about are only possible because man had a passion to learn about the cosmos, and launched satellites?
We have done way more than rot by looking at the stars, and we would be very behind if we never had. The fact that you even said that is an insult to hundreds of thousands of humans who have collectively worked on the study of the sky, which we have gotten so much out of. You have in one sentence told all of them that they have wasted their time, have fucked up priorities, and should be doing something else. Nobody who is passionate about space exploration is saying "fuck the oceans".
In what ways does exploring the deep ocean benefit us? With the whole global warming going on we are living on borrowed time. What good is exploring the ocean if we will all be dead on this planet in the end?
We have to leave earth if we want to survive as a species. It's stupid to have all the eggs in one basket. Exploring the oceans is a totally different, but still interesting endeavor, than reaching out into space.
I dunno I'm kinda hoping for us to build an underwater society...long as we don't call it "Rapture" everything ought to be okay. It would definitely be way cool to look at.
So we'll just put it off like a college student. Pop some adderall, stay up all night before the big extinction event the next day, develop that interplanetary travel, survival, and colonization technology in a grind, and mass produce it all before first class in the morning.
When you get deeper into the earth, the pressure is higher, so it would need major pressure resistance.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:22:06 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Meh, we explore space and the ocean to find cool shit. There's not a huge economic incentive to do so, or any obvious correlation with climate change solutions.
Also terraforming is hundreds, if not thousands of years away.
For some reason this is where my mind went on this one. "We now go live to our roving reporter Fudgie the Whale with the deep ocean report". "I fought a squid!". "Thanks Fudgie".
I think it's the same reason breath-hold divers don't. They're not continually breathing nitrogen, so not enough N2 dissolves at depth for it to be a problem when the pressure is relieved.
This link, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxygen_toxicity, says that it depends on the conditions (pressure mostly) under which intoxication occurs. For divers, it apparently hits the central nervous system first, causing twitching, tunnel vision, ringing in their ears, and sometimes-sudden seizures followed by unconsciousness. So to avoid this, if I understand this correctly, divers diving really deep (40m/130ft+) will use a blend with a lower volume-percent content of oxygen than normal air (which is 21% O2). I assume under those circumstances divers might not use this low-oxygen blend in shallow water and just switch to it once at depth.
Interesting, interesting. Where I live, there's oxygen bars everywhere, so I always assumed that pure oxygen was completely harmless, even though I'm sure those bars are safe. Always nice to learn something new!
It seems that its primarily focused on oxygen intake at high pressures. It mentions that it's dangerous for babies, but that it's almost totally safe in low pressure areas. How low pressure would it have to be for a grown adult to be totally fine breathing it for, say, 24 hours?
In low-pressure environments oxygen toxicity may be avoided since the toxicity is caused by high partial pressure of oxygen, not merely by high oxygen fraction. This is illustrated by modern pure oxygen use in spacesuits, which must operate at low pressure (also historically, very high percentage oxygen and lower than normal atmospheric pressure was used in early spacecraft, for example, the Gemini and Apollo spacecraft).[85] In such applications as extra-vehicular activity, high-fraction oxygen is non-toxic, even at breathing mixture fractions approaching 100%, because the oxygen partial pressure is not allowed to chronically exceed 0.3 bar (4.4 psi).[85]
Apparently the longest spacewalk was almost 9 hours long, and if the Apollo capsules used low-pressure O2 normally, well, those missions were multiple days long; it took Apollo 11 three days just to get to the Moon. This indicates (at least before the fire that killed the three Apollo 1 astronauts) that cruising pressure was pure O2 at 5 psi (34.5 kPa).
I2eapel ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:39:48 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
They do. Scuba tanks marked Nitrox have higher oxygen and lower nitrogen to improve dive times (you can't stay down very long at certain depths with regular air) and increase maximum depth.
They do! However, pure oxygen is also kinda toxic at higher pressures (not to mention dangerous), so if they're going deeper than shallow water, they blend helium in to create what is known in the field as Trimix. Yes, their voice get squeakier when breathing it.
The bends, also known as decompression sickness, occurs from breathing in compressed air for extended periods of time, like scuba divers.
When whales dive, they don't take a large breath and hold it in and dive, they exhale all the air then dive.
Whales have special lungs that are very efficient at absorbing oxygen and storing it in enlarged vessels, like an oxygen tank. Whale lungs absorb around 90% of the oxygen they inhale compared to us, who only absorb around 15%.
Some species can only hold their breath for only a few minutes before resurfacing for air while other whales can hold their breath for up to 90 minutes or more.
When you submerge an oxygen tank, all of the contents of that tank are compressed. Think of pulling a balloon under water. As the water pressure around the balloon increases, the balloon shrinks.
An oxygen tank does the same thing. Only these tanks aren't pure oxygen, there are other gasses as well - nitrogen being one of them.
So as you increase in depth, each breath is drawing more of those other gasses because they are so compressed. And therefore, to prevent poisoning, your body needs time to bleed them off. So you need to stop at lower pressures and get rid of them through respiration.
Whales don't have that problem because they are always breathing in at the same atmospheric pressure.
The next question I have is how the whales are able to breath in at the same atmospheric pressure. The air supply they take with them should still be subject to the compression you were talking about, no?
They breathe at the surface. Where the air is all under 1 atmosphere of compression.
They fill their lungs and then submerge.
This is very different with pre-compressed air. A single breath from a tank under many more atmospheres will give you much more oxygen (because it is compressed), but with that oxygen also comes much more 'contaminant' gasses - like nitrogen.
I wonder if it's prohibitively expensive to find out. My guess is the lens would crack, but we're humans we can probably put something together like a casing for it that survives crazy pressure. If we can send probes to the outer regions of the solar system we can strap a webcam to a whale's back
I wonder if it's prohibitively expensive to find out.
I don't see why it would be prohibitively expensive to stick a camera in a high pressure chamber to see if it still functions. Even sending it to the bottom of the ocean and back wouldn't be impossibly expensive.
k3g ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 12:45:33 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Even if those things aren't a problem, and lets pretend that night vision (pitch black vision) is all accounted for. What would we expect to see? The only way to see a full battle would be a 3rd person view of the whole whale, because it isn't head to head battle but merely a grapple and bite. At most, we'll be able to see tentacles flinging around.
You could implant it on the whale's nose, but you'd probably see more than giant squid fights. We dont know much about their life in the deepest parts of the ocean. It's the same with Manta Rays, people only observe them during part of the day, for the rest of it they go to the deep. Lots of sea creatures migrate to the upper zones and then down to the blackness.
For all we know there are crazy monsters down there that never leave the deep, or mountains, forests, shipwrecks. It'd be cool to see what a whale sees for a year. Maybe sea creatures we already know do weird shit down there at night or during the day. Who knows?
k3g ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:51:39 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It's a good idea no doubt, even if it has nothing to do with the whales themselves. It'll be interesting to widen our understanding of the deep sea, as we know more about space than the ocean depths.
maybe if the post is upvoted enough some armchair scientist will break down why its not possible. Better yet maybe a scientist will pitch this idea to their boss and it'll happen.
Get a wide-angle lens and attach it a far back on the whale as you possibly can, maybe even trail it with some sort of harness or device so you can get even further back and see the whole thing.
Not cameras per se, but the engineering know-how exists.
puge12 ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 17:46:45 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
As others have pointed out its so dark down there that a camera wouldn't be able to make out much and attaching lights would likely interfere with their natural hunting behaviour, it could alert squid to their presence. When I was in Dominica I met with Shane Gero from The Dominica Sperm Whale Project and he and his team were tagging groups of whales with acoustic sensors to record their social calls while diving. The Sperm Whales in Dominica are unique in that they stay in the area (around Dominica and Martinique) so they are easier to track and study long term. Shane and his team would listen in the morning with a hydrophone to hear the whales calls and find out what direction they were in. They'd try to get as close as possible to where the whales were going to surface then attempt to put on the acoustic sensor with a really long pole. The sensor had a suction cup that kept it on. It was really hard to time it right, but they have managed to do it and find out a lot of interesting things about Sperm Whale behaviour. If you're interested I suggest checking out their website thespermwhaleproject.org
What if they used something like an infrared or thermal camera, the whale wouldn't be able to see anything and unless its prey can detect those wavelengths it wouldn't affect anything.
What about infrared light? Not sure what wavelengths of light our ocean buddies can see, but a lot of times in manufacturing plants they use infrared lights. Humans can't see infrared, but most cameras can. This way they can light up the part without bothering the workers.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:20:35 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Or just use sonar that piggybacks off of the whales sonar.
Double sonar!! That would be pretty cool if you could get that to work. Although I think what we're ultimately getting at here is that we need to mount lasers to all sea going creatures.
jkohl ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:50:42 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I assume there's some kind of fight club going on down there? Or is it more like a gang war?
Why hasn't anyone strapped some cameras onto a sperm
Sickened but curious...
dekket ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:02:20 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Oh good, I wasn't the only one...
gonwi42 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:54:44 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
it has been tried. the whale asked another whale to help get the camera off. they succeded.
scobot ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:58:02 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
A) Nonstandard camera strap size; would need to be special-ordered. B) Whales fighting squid are too busy to take selfies. C) Marine biologists still not finished cleaning up the mess from their last Craigslist ad for Sperm Whale Volunteers. D) Dude, "Sperm Whale" is not the preferred term. "Spermaceti-Americans", please.
It's because sperm whales are narcissistic assholes who'd spend the whole time taking selfies and trying to get a vine of a penguin falling off an ice floe.
The Jarvis Circle strapped a camera to a sperm whale in 2003. But, the sperm whale was rejected by other sperm whales after accusations it was a reporter. The sperm whale left the sea and started working for The Guardian in the UK...but sadly died 15 minutes into its first day on the job. Breathing issues. And it was shot. Twice. In the face.
I'd like to try a thermal camera on the sperm whale, in combination with a night vision camera, or a camera with a light... because while the thermal camera would be great at telling scientist if they are looking at something, the problem is that picking up fish and plants would be harder, because fish are cold blooded, and well plants... And they would be lacking the ability to identify species well because it picks up radiation.
But like, it'd be waaaay too easy for the whale to bump into something and smash the camera in, and then there goes your research. It'd have to be pretty indestructible if you expect to get it back.
Maybe its really hard or some shit. Idk why they can't do the same as they do to sharks. Or maybe they are a rare Pokรฉmon that only a master Pokรฉmon collected can capture in there pokeball
Subsea cameras are rated to the depths and pressure the whales will go to. The problem would be that a light would also be needed and even then the range of the camera vision would only be a few metres. You could improve that with a SIT low light camera which needs less light and improves the range slightly.
Biggest problem I see is having to harpoon the whale to fit all this equipment.
Pressures too great at depths like that. The camera would just crush from it
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:05:06 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Any whale for that matter. All they use are stupid beacons.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:42:48 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
i vaguely remember seeing a youtube video for a homemade sperm whale gopro mount which i could find if any of you happen to own a sperm whale. and a gopro
chabone ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:06:12 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:45:48 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Of all the things I can think of as a shitty job, getting in the water and being the fucker who straps cameras to whales big enough to eat me is so close to #1 that I can't imagine anything worse, right meow.
Fuck that.
That's probably hwhy.
puge12 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:12:14 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Actually Sperm Whales only eat squid, they're very timid and more afraid of us than we are of them. You do have to be careful of their tail smashing you if you get too close and they get scared, but most likely they'll just swim away if they don't want you near them. I managed to get in the water and swim with several different sperm whales and it was the one of the most amazing experiences of my life.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:28:53 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Scientists have tried, but it's harder than it looks because the camera first of all have to get attached to the whale (which is hard because it's hard to get close to the whale) and then the camera has to be able to handle the high pressure while diving
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:05:28 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Because once it goes deeper than ~200 meters or so, there's almost no light. And that's if the camera could take the depth.
Researchers have attached various recording devices such as depth gauges to various diving marine animals, like whales and seals. But the more depth the instrument can take, the bigger and heavier it is, and the harder it is to attach it to the animal. For whales, researcher typically just spike it in or use a special type of organic glue.
They do! However not with cameras, since after about 30 meters you wouldn't see a thing (as others mentioned). Whales have been tagged and acoustically monitored for a few days.
This experiment tries to determine how whales react on sonar transmissions. They tag a whale (or other marine mammal), and do controlled exposure experiments to investigate if whales change their behaviour when a sonar is active. Using the tag, which is attached to the whale, they monitor position, depth, acceleration ans received sound as heard by the whale.
Cause the technology we have can't handle those pressure.
Those camera will be crush into a tiny pebble.
The closest thing I've seen was a documentary where they put a suction cup camera on them and when it hit a certain depth it floats up to the surface.
So this is basically engineering, we did the most closest thing we can within the budget and our current tech.
The depth where those awesome giant squid fights are happening are in depth where our technology can't handle those pressure.
Although James Camera had a submarine that went down very deep in one of those deepest trench. Unfortunately, I'm not sure what's preventing them to use that technology with whales and camera (perhaps apples and oranges tech).
I also wouldn't go alone down that depth with that sub and a camera. I do not want to be near any giant squid in a submarine that's struggling to handle pressure in those depth while dealing with squid.
Because the depths at which these epic battles take place are so low there is barely any light so footage would be unusable, also the pressure down there would absolutely destroy a camera
1wsx10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:18:50 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
if they deal with the pressure, thy can use an infra red light to see without disturbing the wild life (hopefully)
I can honestly say I'm not expert on the subject, and I don't really know if infra red light cameras would actually work down there, I may be making a stupid mistake here, but doesn't red also dissapear from the spectrum if you go down deep enough? or does that not effect infra red at all?
I guess we'll just leave the science to the science guys then.
1wsx10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:07:15 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
by "use infra red light" i mean they have an infra red light on their vehicle, like a torch. you dont need a special camera to see infra red light btw
the reason i suggested it is because most land mammals can not see infra red light - so maybe most aquatic creatures can not see it either? thing is it entirely depends on the environment they evolved to deal with. eg. the mantis shrimp can see a wide range of colours but most of the marine world is largely undiscovered - especially in the deepest parts so we never know what we could be disturbing if we shine any kind of light down there really.
yeah you have a point there, I know most of the deep sea life has a way to attract prey, mainly lights right? like the angler fish? however there are things that eat an angler fish and find it based on its light,
So maybe use the same source of light to produce the same effect? that way were sure to find something, and we'll get to see it from the inside! (just to make sure, this is a joke, I don't seriously believe we could get a live feed from so far away from a camera submerged under a good 5-6 kilometers of salt water)
I watched a documentary about this just a few days ago (Vetenskapens Vรคrld, ~Swedish for World of Science. The particular experiment with the Sperm Whale camera wasn't successful, two sperm whales bumped into each other, knocking the camera off their body.
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I don't think it could withstand that sort of pressure. How would you recover the data?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:58:08 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
They already strap cameras to sea creatures that go pretty deep and they have timed release mechanisms and the cameras float back up and have GPS trackers on them. The problems I've seen so far are getting a good angle, night vision, and making sure it stays strapped to the animals. I think it can be done.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:33:58 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I was saw it a few times during shark week. The one I remember specifically was the bride of jaws but they didn't go as deep. They also strapped one on a Mako shark and it went way deeper, but I don't remember the name of the show that had that and the footage really wasn't great because of the bad angle/darkness.
If we can send probes into space we can probably send probes into the ocean no? Is oceanic pressure greater than pressure in space?
jsveiga ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 12:54:44 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Much more; in space you have close to zero atmospheres (atm), a difference of -1 atm from our standard environment. In the ocean we have about 1 atm more for each 10 meters of depth, so 30 m is about 4 atm, a difference of +3 in relation to sea level.
Atmospheres - how much pressure the atmostphere exerts on you. The weight of the air above your head.
ralusek ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:07:44 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Basically in space there is almost NO pressure. It is a vacuum, meaning that it is virtually devoid of all matter. The ocean is the opposite, as water has a higher density than air and the density increases significantly as you go deeper.
1 atm is approximately 15 pounds per square inch or 100 kiloPascals (1 kilopascal = 1000 newtons per square meter), so in space there's only 1 atmosphere difference in pressure compared to at 150 meters deep (~500 feet), where the pressure would be about an extra 15 atmosphere's worth of pressure, i.e. an extra 225psi / 1550kPa. Sperm whales apparently dive up to 7,382 ft (2,250 meters), which would be 228,000kPa / 3300psi.
ValeK_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:58:36 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yea. It's a he'll of a lot more pressure seen as space is a vacuum. (Huge pressure compared to huge negative pressure.) The tech would need to be completely different structure wise
Can't find anything yet. They could even use this method to find where great white sharks give birth. They can use a tracker but a lot of information is left out.
all a tracker can do is tell you where it goes. When we sent the Mars rover or all those other probes they have cameras, listening devices, sediment analysis.
You'd think they'd have little drone submarines by now to do this sort of research, though nowadays naval warfare is kind of obsolete so theres no reason to invest in it.
Operation Praying Mantis, for one. Battleships are obsolete, USS Iowa was retired in 1990. Submarines are extremely important because of espionage and nuclear missiles.
Yeah, the whole operation was diplomacy. With explosives.
A few months later, we accidentally shot down an airliner of theirs. Not that trying to end the Iran-Iraq war wasn't a good thing, but it sure seems like we goofed in the process. Sorry, Iran.
Okay. You do realize that a country with regional power aims at a minimum is building a blue-water navy, complete with fully functional aircraft carriers, right? Hint: those are most certainly naval. We also haven't done an opposed amphibious landing since Korea - why don't we do away with marines while we're at it? Sorry if I'm coming across as a snarky dick, but the idea of a military is to be ready for war. The fact we haven't used our navy in actual combat is a success, not a failure.
Unless you had some hydro powered battery but it would probably be too big and make the whale look like a steam punk cartoon. Wouldn't want to be the guy who had to edit a year's worth of footage either.
You'd think they'd have little drone submarines by now to do this sort of research
I think oil companies are interested in this too. I'm a little surprised we don't have them already, but it's probably because of comm issues. VLF radio might put allow you to give instructions to the probe, but it wouldn't be able to talk back, best option might be a tethered buoy following along on the surface. Power might also be a problem, but that might be solvable with an RTG.
Adonous ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:45:43 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yes there is a difference. Space is a vaccum, there is no external pressure, where as the depths youd expect a sper whale to go to are several times the atmospheric pressure felt on the surface.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:42:57 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds easy enough! I'll get right on it!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:45:08 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:39:23 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
They dive to around 2000m beneath the surface, a tiny camera wouldn't survive the crushing weight of water above. You'd need to put it inside a big and well armored box (which would be heavy) to survive that depth, which would obstruct the whale's swim.
Most of the footage we have of sperm whale's in the deep comes either from research submarines or cameras that were strapped to whales but at a shallower distance than where they can actually dive.
For how many humans have died for medical science. Would I be wrong in just drilling the cameras into the whale? Anchor em into their bones so they cant break off or move. We could make a terminator whale basically, tons of lights, cameras, just doss em up , start drilling in, and let em free. He will be in pain for a fe weeks I assume, but its for science. We wont even have to redrill, we can attach new mounts/cameras/gps trackers to the pre drilled rods inserted all over em. God science excites me
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:17:38 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Would I be wrong in just drilling the cameras into the whale? ... Anchor em into their bones
Affirmative.
Though maybe a subdermal implant that then shoots spikes out once embedded to anchor it, assuming the skin is tough and that would actually hold, might be acceptable. To a whale I guess that'd be like getting a flu shot. Then the spikes can retract on a timed release mechanism and then wait for the implant to work its way out. Unless the whale grows some sort of callous or scar around it that still holds it in... o_o
ermac12 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:14:55 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
ITT: People who think they are experts on marine biology because they have a go-pro.
Miles down in the ocean? Ha ha.
Regardless of this, the camera wouldn't stand the pressure, a fucking submarine can't stand the pressure of that much water weight.
What if the whale doesn't want a camera strapped to its body? What if it wants a quiet life of peace and comfort? Do we care about what the whale wants?
Something something something ethics.
Something something save the whales.
Something. Something. You are killing the Eart.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:15:07 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Not the Eart!
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 19:23:06 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Because you can't do that. They're mammals, you need permission.
BTW, why are so many boats polluting the ocean? All that exhaust going down there to kill the wildlife. Imagine spewing that in the air, that would kill everyone. But it's ok in the water because we don't see the pollution footprint, eh?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:54:26 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
They are right you really do have the dumb about this.
Saved comment
[deleted] ยท 534 points ยท Posted at 17:02:33 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
They did exactly this, like a decade ago!
They used a camera with a suction cup to follow the Sperm Whales down deep into the ocean, but never found the squid. They did see some interesting whale behavior though.
Later on we have found living giant squids and filmed them, often dying ones.
rosenbergstein ยท 409 points ยท Posted at 19:46:43 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
So it's technically possible to attach a laser instead of a camera
catseatcookies ยท 152 points ยท Posted at 20:46:58 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Laser beams attached to their freaking heads. Cause everyone deserves a warm meal..
[deleted] ยท 55 points ยท Posted at 23:09:30 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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Gravity-Lens ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:25:26 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ya just don't get it. Do ya Scott?
briansvgaudio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:56:07 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
But they can melt steel beams.
Hamsandwichmasterace ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:11:01 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
https://youtu.be/Nh5Lh-tTSZQ
[deleted] ยท 115 points ยท Posted at 19:48:59 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
...Yes
The_Celtic_Chemist ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 00:07:16 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Damn it Krieger, no! Stop asking!
Young_Aria ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:12:49 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Literally Hitler
pawnman99 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:01:02 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Go on...
AvatarJack ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 21:54:56 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Now that's the kind of whale behavioral science they don't teach you in whale behavioral science class.
Michmatch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:42:59 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to point out it was almost 2 decades ago. Isn't it odd how we all still think of the time around 2000 as a decade ago even though it isn't anymore? I do it all the time too lol
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:14:53 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Whales are pretty smart, no? I wonder if they realized the critter cam was responsible for the very unusual light down there, and rubbed against the whale to get it off.
chevyman94 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:12:45 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
in my head So in the 90's? Wait, 2005, damn.
jsveiga ยท 1420 points ยท Posted at 13:02:56 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I think they have done it (I recalled seeing footage from squid cam and turtle cam, but just found this).
https://youtu.be/W_PuO7gzfqI
Soothsaer ยท 1300 points ยท Posted at 18:35:03 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
At 1:14, when the guy comes in and says "sure made sense to me," he talks so in sync with the music that at first I thought he was gonna start rapping.
[deleted] ยท 368 points ยท Posted at 21:45:10 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Sure made sense to me / We will use the whales to see / All those squid beneath the sea
It's happening
SweetRas13 ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 01:46:10 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Sure made sense to me / We will use the whales to see / All those squid beneath the sea / It's happening, dropping dank memes /
BeckonJM ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 23:50:15 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Rhyming "see" twice, but changed it's meaning and spelling. That's some Kweli-ty hip hop.
lakerswiz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:52:28 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Damn good one. Kweli is too much on his "white people are the devil" kick lately to care about his wordplay though.
daskrip ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:31:53 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The undawata reality / With reversed gravity / Catchin' squids day and night / Can't escape the camera's track light / Gotta catch 'em all, Pokemon!
It's happening
[deleted] ยท 147 points ยท Posted at 21:10:55 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This made me burst out laughing, hahaha
[deleted] ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 23:23:05 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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ghoti_fry ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:49:47 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
me too thanks
bacon_cake ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 22:40:31 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Dammit, now I wish there was a song. I won't sleep well tonight with that unfinished cadence in my head.
ColinMansfield ยท 86 points ยท Posted at 23:40:03 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I made something for you https://youtu.be/rSY--HtmuDE
FuckNope ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:46:22 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This needs to be in /r/edgyedits
ColinMansfield ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:59:10 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
๐๐ผ the edgiest
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:36:04 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Fantastic
IronChefAndronicus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:52:33 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
There is a definite lack of airhorn
laikamonkey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:59:59 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
And X's on the screen.
ups_drug_dealer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:51:35 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That ending though... did not see that coming!
amplesamurai ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:54:13 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
next weekend when I'm home i'm going to try and dubstep the first 20 seconds
sophiepritch5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:13:22 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ha this is great.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:15:03 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
mookystank ยท 56 points ยท Posted at 21:33:53 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
how is this not the top comment? i can't unhear it
justcool393 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:45:45 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It is the top reply to the top comment.
mookystank ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:56:15 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It definitely was not when I commented, it had only like 20 points then, but I'm glad to see it blew up.
throwawayqazaa ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:01:25 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
So it made sense to me
To get down low in the deep blue sea
Levelis ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:09:29 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
So it made sense to me - at least
To use the sperm whale, to go down into the deep
We use the whale like a dog
to lead us along
on this quest - to success
to find the biggest and the best
the biggest squid, the strongest squid
that ever did live
New_To_This_Place ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:07:00 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0X5KQylRz4T
Somebody please remix this. We need this.
ColinMansfield ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:46:53 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I did my best in a video below
laikamonkey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:00:50 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Looks cool, what program did you use, if you don't mind me asking?
ColinMansfield ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:58:55 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
iMovie
AndyDuhAwesome ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:15:58 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I did too that's awesome.
carl_the_litter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:14:31 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
so it made sense to me
that I wanted to see!
through the eyes of a spermwhale I look in the ocean I drink a ginger ale and kill all yo emotion
tl;dr: I will get stabbed if I ever get into a rapbattle
Michmatch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:39:15 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I've been going back and replaying it at that part a few times now, wishing so much that he would break out into further dank verses. Too funny
Srcler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:53:25 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That definitely WAS some funky pre-rap build up music too..
Champs27 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:20:01 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
oh man that was funny
aguyandhiscomputer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:47:29 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I thought it was going the porno route. Sperm whale and all.
sophiepritch5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:13:05 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Oh wow this really made me laugh, it really does sound like he's about to get down.
JonasBrosSuck ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:18:44 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
and the way the whale twitched, so disappointed he didn't rap
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:40:07 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Oh my god I thought I was just high
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:47:06 on July 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
i can't stop laughing
JeffreyJackoff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:01:17 on August 11, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Lmao
๐๏ธ MordorsFinest ยท 497 points ยท Posted at 13:05:00 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
fuckin awesome find, seems cameras can survive the pressure. Now if only they had nightvision. They are focusing entirely on whales here, not just what the whales see. All you see is dark and the whale's skin.
[deleted] ยท 95 points ยท Posted at 18:35:34 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
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iwillrememberthisnow ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 20:46:04 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
David Attenborough narrating. Solid.
whooptheretis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:01:05 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It's not a real nature programme unless Sir David is narrating!
PureImbalance ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:36:39 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for posting this! Why am I not surprised it's japanese scientists researching beautiful squid-senpais? :D
Plazma10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:12:12 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
they're hungry
HaiBroBunnyHere ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:25:41 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
At 35:30
narrator: What could it be thinking?
Squid: Get that damn light out of my eyes, I'm eating here!
NyxsnOMFG ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:26:37 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
thanks for that link ... love it
acidkrn0 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:12:45 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
imagine the calamari
PM__happy_thoughts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:25:18 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Why does their metallic colour disappear when they wash ashore? Could the skin be so delicate that it flakes off?
I_dig_fe ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:09:56 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
From what little I've read giant squid quickly dry out above water which makes them shrink so accurate measurements can be hard, perhaps this affects their skin color as well?
dekket ยท 99 points ยท Posted at 17:59:18 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Nightvision is pretty useless in zero light. 0 times <anything> is still zero.
You need infrared. If that'll even work. I don't know how cold it is or how much the creatures differ in temperature.
[deleted] ยท 83 points ยท Posted at 18:54:46 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 22:56:21 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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dekket ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:20:58 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Does that include whales and squid?
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 19:53:56 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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exploitativity ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:58:59 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Because whales are mammals, and squids are fish.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 23:05:48 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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exploitativity ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:06:58 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ah. Silly me.
PhilxBefore ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:01:48 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Whales are mammals so they're warm blooded. It sometimes blows people's minds when I explain why whale sharks are the biggest fish in the ocean.
verheyen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:32:34 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Do people still think whales are fish..?
manplancanal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:22:56 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I think he meant he corrects people that think whale sharks are whales
Ta2whitey ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:59:07 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Then we need to attract Zoidberg to track the fishes!
PizzaGood ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:07:49 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
He's talking about infrared illumination, not heat vision. I'm pretty sure that cam does have infrared illumination, it has some illumination anyway. Infrared penetrates pretty well and solid state cameras are extremely sensitive to IR.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 23:24:40 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
If we just had meat vision, we could see everything in the sea perfectly, because all fish/animals are made of meat.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:08:03 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Hell ya...btw are you high?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:42:23 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
No, I was trying to reference the meat vision thing from fairly odd parents. I am also a frequent viewer/commenter on /r/shittyaskscience
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:42:16 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
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PizzaGood ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:07:04 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I was wondering about IR's penetrating water. I was going to not post that, but then I thought "probably either UV or IR penetrate, and I think UV doesn't penetrate at all so IR probably does."
Should have gone with my first instinct. Or, you know, just kept my yap shut about stuff I don't know. That would be good too I guess.
Bittersweet_squid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:19:39 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
But you learn more cool scientific facts this way!
Redlaces123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:00:20 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Neither of the subjects we're looking for are fish
Although I'm pretty sure squids are cold blooded too.
Etherius ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:58:52 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't matter. Everything emits radiation of some sort. The chemical processes that keep living things alive are enough to register on a sensitive enough camera.
It wouldn't be a clear picture, but you'd see something.
ImmortalBrother1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:09:55 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
What every big foot series centers around.
Etherius ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:13:05 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Eh actually I went did a bit of looking. I forgot water does a great job of absorbing most wavelengths of light.
The entire reason we can see the wavelengths that we do is because water absorbs them poorly, so they're all evolution had to work with.
Chances are good a FLIR camera would appear completely black.
ScionoicS ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 18:22:36 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
Infrared is only used because its not visible. This makes it so you're still stealthy. It's easier just to use real lights because they're a lot brighter and you need that in 0 light situations.
Edit: I'm talking about active night vision
dekket ยท 67 points ยท Posted at 18:26:16 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
And you can't exactly attach an artificial light source to a whale, that'll screw up their natural life.
ScionoicS ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:29:38 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Fair point!
whooptheretis ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:04:12 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Either that, or he'll become King Whale!
"Check me out... I got a LIGHT!!!"
"All hail the King!"
Doublepirate ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:36:00 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
In the army we had ultra violet torches for our rifles. You can't see it with your bare eyes, but it looks like a regular light through a nvg.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:11:51 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
UV is blocked by water pretty well (after a few feet at most).
Doublepirate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:56:56 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Well. You learn something every day :)
Doublepirate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:57:35 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Well. You learn something every day :)
UmphreysMcGee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:41:30 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
What if the light was equipped with a special sensor that would only turn on when the whale was attacking (since I assume there's a lot of thrashing around)? That way it wouldn't affect its hunting and would consume far less power.
zen_what ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:13:02 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I reckon modern technology would allow us to equip a whale with headlights. You could make them motion sensitive or something so it could still sleep in the dark.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:43:11 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
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dekket ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:06:00 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Spot on :)
GoSox2525 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 18:37:33 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
IR is still "real light". You could have a floodlight or something that could be as bright as you want, while still being infrared
ScionoicS ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 18:41:49 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Semantics but yes. You are technically correct. The best kind of correct. I meant visible light. It is cheaper to create wide spectrum flood lights though. Either way, someone else in this thread pointed out the real flaw in this idea. Strapping a spotlight to a whale is not an option.
GoSox2525 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 19:42:37 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
Ok then how about this. We strap a tracker to the whale, which we already do every day anyway. We get a small vehicle kind of like those things than scuba divers hold onto with the propeller. We set the tracker device to send it's location data out every few seconds. This data is received by the propeller vehicle thing which has a huge IR light mounted to it, and it can adjust its course according to the location data given by the tracker. Now you have a big IR light (or could be UV, or anything else) that follows the whales and can see, without creating any actual visible light (though I don't know what the visible spectrum of sea cretures is, it can't be too far off of ours), and can record without actually being strapped on the whale.
OR, bioengineer a biolumenescent whale. Like its entire body would glow fiercely.
PhilxBefore ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:37:38 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure about giant squid but I believe mantis shrimp can see UV
Bittersweet_squid ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:22:18 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. They see in ways that make almost no sense. Crazy little bastards.
ScionoicS ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:25:16 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I like your style
Travzaz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:19:33 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You had me at Bioluminescent whale.
EDIT: To resolve the spotlight problem, it does not need to be on at all times. We could tether the light turning on to some variable, like the whale's pulse increasing (which insures we get epic squid battles recorded.)
machina99 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:50:03 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This reminds me of an episode of the show Better Off Ted where they create a bioluminescent squirrel. The squirrel goes crazy from never being able to sleep due to the glow.
Obviously that's a TV show, but I imagine making it glow would alert any possible prey and likely work against he whale in the long run?
GoSox2525 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:51:14 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Haha yea I just thought the image of a glowing sperm whale was funny
lemlemons ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:24:20 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't that the idea? we want it to fight a 25m long colossal squid
pogtheawesome ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:01:20 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Well if it's an independent camera, why is it following a whale? Op just wanted to use whales to get the camera deeper and stuff
GoSox2525 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:52:00 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
No the whole idea is that the whales lead you to the giant squids!
shuey1 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 21:26:08 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The amount of energy you'd need to light up the area around a whale at the depths they dive to would probably boil the water at the surface, and it would take a lot of energy. think of it this way, if the light from the sun can't reach those depths, we'd need more power than that from the sun which is reaching the surface of the ocean, and a bioluminescent whale which makes enough light for a Camera to see things around the whale would never be able to consume enough calories to create that much light, partly because everything would see it coming and partly because it's a shit ton of energy thats needed to create that much light. However if you do get the IR spotlight working, I would love to see that thing boiling off tons of water to watch a whale swim.
GoSox2525 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:57:32 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
I was entirely sarcastic, but ok. You would not need nearly as much power as you think, the light source would already be at the depths you want to see at, it wouldn't have to be concerned with travelling over a thousand meters through fluid. You have terrible energy intuition if you think that it would take anywhere near the energy required to boil the ocean. And boiling "part" of the ocean makes no sense and would never happen.
the_swolestice ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:17:57 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I think that was his point.
GoSox2525 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:51:32 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think it was. He literally said that it "would probably boil the water at the surface "
16skittles ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:06:36 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
What makes you think that the amount of light has to be more than the sun? The sun can't reach that depth because it needs to penetrate all that water. While you'd still need incredibly strong lamps to make an impact, it doesn't need to go as far as the sun does.
n9-00 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:55:34 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Why? Strapping a camera is, why not a spotlight too?
ScionoicS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:52:37 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
spotlight is a beacon
n9-00 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:04:05 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
An IR spotlight isn't
ScionoicS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:30:22 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
As someone else has said in this thread, water tends to absorb IR very well. Many ocean predators may also have senses which extend into IR
n9-00 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:46:43 on July 14, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but someone else said that was nonsense
ScionoicS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:03:31 on July 14, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_absorption_by_water#/media/File:Absorption_spectrum_of_liquid_water.png
paulec252 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:02:45 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, not an option unless we find an asshhole whale that we don't like. \
Denali_Laniakea ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:29:21 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Infra red is absorbed pretty quickly by water as well. It doesn't pass through all that well. That is why we use sonar on subs etc.
ScionoicS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:37:37 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
til. Now that I think about it, this seems totally obvious.
AnotherThroneAway ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 18:19:25 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Infrared won't reveal any terrain. You might see other living things, but only ones large enough to leave a heat signature.
dekket ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 18:26:38 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yea that's what I assumed OP was after..
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:43:56 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
like...whales?
aguyandhiscomputer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:48:52 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
No, bigger. Maybe a dinosaur.
DukeOnTheInternet ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:11:17 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I think they are referring to an infrared light at around 70nm, as opposed to FLIR like you're saying.
Murtank ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:27:48 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Infrared wont reveal anything. It doesnt work in the ocean. Ir light gets absorbed by the water
edwardsnowden8494 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:52:03 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You can emit an infrared light that is picked up by infrared cameras. Thats how infrared vision works.
AnotherThroneAway ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:53:30 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Sure. But then why not attach a visible-spectrum light and camera instead? If nothing else, with IR you can't get color.
edwardsnowden8494 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:57:05 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe becase we are trying to observe the journey of the whale. Not screw with it by attaching a bright light to it. Observe not disturb
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:01:00 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The camera in that video was infrared. But if there's nothing to see but empty water, yeah, it will mostly be a black video. The light won't show anything until there's an object for it to reflect off. If the whales had come across a squid, we probably would have seen it, but as the narrator says, it was probably just a diving exercise for the calves.
redditwentdownhill ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:11:55 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It would also need a tracker to recover the camera. Unless it broadcast the image.
JonahCorona ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:14:23 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Nightvision cameras could possibly have their own light source.
TheQuestionableYarn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:46:24 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
But what if you attached a weak flashlight to the night vision camera? This is some troll science shit here.
JRSHAW7576 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:19:00 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That's not how night vision works in all cases some use infared flashlights and can capture that.
loganed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:49:33 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I mean we could attach a flashlight.....
IronyGiant ยท 215 points ยท Posted at 17:08:43 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I can't believe they didn't think about using a low-light camera on it.
zxDanKwan ยท 718 points ยท Posted at 17:10:05 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Deep enough down, you need a no-light camera.
[deleted] ยท 317 points ยท Posted at 17:27:04 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
After about 1000 meters you need a no light camera. At about 200 meters down you need low light cameras. These cameras also need to withstand pressure differences, be able to stay attached without harming the animal, be able to withstand temperature differences, and then be retrievable.
zxDanKwan ยท 118 points ยท Posted at 17:29:11 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
All of that, except once we have a global network established, the cameras can batch stream when the whale surfaces for air, which should be for at least a few seconds every hour or two, so theoretically possible with a strong enough transmission signal.
ReallyFnCleverName ยท 164 points ยท Posted at 18:23:14 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It is much more logical to have a method for the camera to break loose and float to the surface after a certain period of time. Then it's just an easy retrieval with a net.
k9centipede ยท 210 points ยท Posted at 19:46:14 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
https://xkcd.com/585/
ReallyFnCleverName ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 19:50:47 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
ohhhhh, that's where the whales in the GTAV mod come from...makes so much sense now.
SantaMonsanto ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:55:42 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
...whale mod you say?
radicalelation ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:41:32 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Mods featuring whales, because there are whales in the game, so some models, including the player model, can be swapped for a whale.
Two-Tone- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:05:53 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I guess you could say that it's a whale of a good mod
lewy01 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:56:40 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure it's a Hitchhikers guide reference
Jeffde ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:55:00 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Just incredible
MOTHERLOVR ยท 68 points ยท Posted at 19:20:23 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Good call. Had a friend, call him Ishmael, who tried to hunt down a specific whale once. Says it was a nightmare.
LordDurfIV ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 20:31:00 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This crazy old man Ahab, just wouldn't let up... Must've had something against it.
TheCatcherOfThePie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:10:38 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You see, that's what I like about Moby Dick: no metaphors or symbolism, just a simple tale about a man who hates a fish.
zxDanKwan ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 18:50:20 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You are absolutely correct. Easier on battery life, better control over quality of data, easier to retrieve equipment, less chance of interference with host's normal activities.
You should sell this to someone.
hezwat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:33:07 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
"Foursquare for marine animals. I think I'll pass." - someone
zxDanKwan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:54:35 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. Looking back, someone was smarter than me. :(
pawnman99 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:51:55 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Except then you have to regularly schedule a ship to pick it up. But if you stream the data, you can just leave the cameras attached indefinitely.
VladislavThePoker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:20:33 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure you could use something similar to veterinary suture glue. It would wear off in about a week or so and wouldn't cause any long term damage.
Rekane ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:06:59 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
But then you'd have to attach cameras all over again
[deleted] ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 17:45:32 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
that's a good point, I hadn't considered that, but how strong would this signal need to be and could it interfere with anything the whale is doing?
zxDanKwan ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 18:48:44 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Someone else commented on my last comment, and it actually makes a lot more sense to do it the way they commented. Especially in light of your comment.
Just let the camera roll until it's full, and then it detaches from the whale and floats to the surface.
Once there, it can give of a GPS signal, which is easier on battery life to blip once every hour than to try and stream video data. It reduces the hassle in getting the equipment back, it gets more reliable footage, since you don't risk transmission degradation, and it also removes almost all of the risk of the camera interfering with the whale's normal life (especially as small as cameras can be these days).
Overall, this method just makes much more sense.
maca77aq ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:34:00 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Unless it's mistaken for food as it floats up and is eaten.
PhilxBefore ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:41:53 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Better footage once it passes through the GI tract of you ask me.
CRISPR ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 18:06:12 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
That's very interesting conversation, but did anybody else imagine bunch of grown naked men talking to each other in the shower while reading it?
I have a very young mind.
Semyonov ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:03:47 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Please point at the doll where he touched you, for the jury.
Rhamni ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:08:20 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Turns out the bad man only touched him on this doll!
EasyxTiger ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:28:38 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Don't fret, just get in.
PuffTheMagicHobo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:12:10 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Goddamnit man, I'm pretty sure you just caused me to have the same problem you do for the rest of my life.
Dragon029 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:23:58 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Depends how far they transmit; you basically have a triangle of low energy consumption, long transmission range and high transmission data rate; you can only have 2.
You could give them something really fancy like a SHF/UHF satellite uplink and constantly send something like standard definition video of the time the whale had just been underwater, but to power that you would need something like a turbine on / in it (which would eventually get clogged) and also a decently sized battery. The satellite antenna would also be about the size of a dinner plate and would have issues in signal strength (due to the whales not keeping their backs pointed directly upwards) unless you also put it on a mechanical gimbal, or spent a ridiculous amount of money building an electronically steered array.
KeetoNet ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 18:40:52 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Just skip the actual whale entirely and build a whale shaped power generation facility with a camera and fully gimballed satellite uplink. Leave some room for a couple of passengers and have them drive around the ocean picking fights with giant squid.
Science!
Oxideist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:10:42 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Shut up and take my money
Craziest_Cat_Lady ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:00:27 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Science? Sounds like a steampunk novel.
PhilxBefore ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:45:15 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Or https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Deepsea_Challenger&mobileaction=toggle_view_desktop
Craziest_Cat_Lady ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:25:41 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but I don't think he managed to pick a fight with any giant squid. I guess he's saving that for a future journey.
panamaspace ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:21:28 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I scrolled through the comments carefully, hoping nobody stole my idea. You stole my idea.
ermac12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:10:11 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
a 'global network' of 'batch streaming' cameras just so see where some sperm whales are going? right.....
zxDanKwan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:12:34 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Well, not quite.
1 - I said when the global network was here, not that we should make one just for this.
2 - giant squid fights. Come'on. You know that would sell some ads.
ermac12 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:19:43 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
please define and expand on this 'global network'?
zxDanKwan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:38:04 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
As always, XKCD has a relevant strip.
ermac12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:23:23 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
riiiiiiiight
wolfman1911 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:49:54 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
A global network? Maybe I'm just a horrible cynic, but that seems overly optimistic, Utopian, even.
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 17:29:39 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
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duniyadnd ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 17:56:46 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
In our next news story - exploding whales.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:52:45 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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OkToBeTakei ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:17:35 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I lost my shit.
StaigerTiger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:34:50 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The whale lost a lot more than its shit.
NashHarvey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:05:36 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
South Park did it... kind of
Patrik333 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 17:45:45 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
If whales get barnacles then surely it's possible to attach a camera without harming the whale anymore than a barnacle would?
Also... how do other fish see each other that far down? If 'conventional' cameras don't work because there's no light, then use whatever the marine life uses..? Or maybe attach a light to the camera (but not projecting any visible light, so the whale isn't disturbed).
[deleted] ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 17:54:35 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
"Once theyโre satisfied with their location, the barnacles dig in โ literally. As they mature into adults, they form tube-shaped cavities in their shells that actually draw in prongs of growing whale skin. The result is an attachment as firmly rooted as the most pernicious weed."
I don't know of any technology we have that would do that.
kapntoad ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 18:07:13 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
So instead of attaching it to the whale, attach it to the barnacle?
QuasarSandwich ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 20:25:33 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This is the kind of thinking that will save us from ourselves.
AnotherThroneAway ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:18:26 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't it ironic?
ZeroV ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:19:30 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Don't ya think?
ermac12 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:11:27 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
No.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:57:13 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Toggle bolts.
Patrik333 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:58:30 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno. We've created technology by observing other lifeforms before - I forget what the term is - bio-something... biomimetrics?
Does whale skin grow in a standard shape? i.e. would it be possible just to add a surface of tubes onto the side of the camera, that were shaped like the tubes the barnacles use?
kavien ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:38:50 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I doubt that a degradable barbed dart or the like would present sufficient to the whale and would suffice for attachment.
Falsequivalence ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:56:02 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Whales can use echolocation among other things.
QuasarSandwich ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:26:20 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Well, yes, because if they're not amongst other things there's nothing for the sound to bounce off.
Falsequivalence ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:43:24 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Well they can tell which way is up and down, so they're not gonna get lost running around until they find something for sound to bounce off of.
oneidamojo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:22:12 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
But first we have to sedate the whale.
chefwafflezs ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:04:38 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Considering humans have accomplished things like sending a robot to Mars and CERN, these demands do not seem that daunting.
KeetoNet ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 18:42:18 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Really, it's not that hard to send a robot to CERN.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:09:26 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Really depends from where you're sending it. Geneva OK, Honolulu mhh
Influenz-A ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:40:47 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Well, considering a mini robot costs $1.72. The weight is 33 gram, so the shipping from Honolulu to Geneva is $6.39. And if you make the box yourself with a bit of cardboard you could do it for under $10.
eekstatic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:33:38 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
TNT will always find a way to fuck up your customs clearance though.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:13:16 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Except that their is now a living organism involved that we should not harm. And the point is to see it living its normal life. Anything that impacts its behavior ruins the whole idea.
selfiethrowaway1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:23:33 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Well shooting something into space is a bit more straight forward than dealing with a live animal and the bottom of the ocean.
mikehaysjr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:56:34 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Says you
awdasdaafawda ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:15:33 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Operating in a sterile, weightless environment is child's play compared to exploring under the sea.
chefwafflezs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:19:15 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Are you suggesting that Mars, space, or our atmosphere are sterile environments?
RIGHT-IS-RIGHT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:38:23 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The lack of a global dipolar magnetic field and a thick atmosphere with an ozone layer, which would respectively divert cosmic rays or solar energetic particles and absorb ultraviolet rays, makes Marsโ surface is now a sterile place where life cannot survive. So if you get the chance to look beneath rocks or deep underground in the possibly wet and more temperate part of the planetโs interior and find something, do let me know.
dfpoetry ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:12:25 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
presumably the interesting things are not at thermal equilibrium, maybe IR stuff can capture thermal radiation, if it does not get absorbed by the water too quickly.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:00:05 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yes
whooptheretis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:05:51 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
We put men in space... I'm sure we can make this camera.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:55:38 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You could have a camera with a really good light on a whale, even with a battery pack that recharges using an impeller generator. Not sure if this would make the whale a target, but whales certainly would be less bothered by this bulky equipment than other animals.
TLDR; you need a light.
me_suds ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:59:26 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
if only we could also make a light source portable enough to strap to the whale as well , maybe some day we will have that technology
Walktillyoucrawl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:27:54 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
If only there was some method of replicating the light from a fire. And harnessing it to somehow burn under water.
sneakybaelish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:28:12 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
There is total darkness down there so this won't help much.
GoSox2525 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:33:21 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
They could just use an IR camera
conversationBlist ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:02:15 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Then you need to attach a giant IR light to it, and IR doesn't travel well in water at all. Best would be a blueish light.
supah ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:24:13 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
so a UV?
SlackJawCretin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:55:34 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'd be concerned about exposing animals that live in total darkness to direct UV. Would it be possible to burn a squid? I'm thinking of that fat vampire boiling in Blade
mleibowitz97 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:06:18 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
nightvision works off of different kinds of "light" in the light spectrum. Go deep enough and there isn't much light of any kind...
๐๏ธ MordorsFinest ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:10:24 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Heat camera?
BucketHatJay ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:26:02 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I was thinking IR camera with an IR flood light
mleibowitz97 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:54:44 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Squids are cold-blooded. meaning their body temperature won't be that much different from the environment's...which means they would be hard as fuck to see with an infrared camera. You might see some fuzzy shapes but not much else. If they were able to use a floodlight and a normal camera they'd be better off.
๐๏ธ MordorsFinest ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:57:17 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
maybe a floodlight they can turn on when they see a heat or infrared signature. IDK man I'm sure we have the tech already
SquaredRootBeer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:21:35 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Why not have the IR light source pressure activated?
Only turns on at the depths at which natural light sources are a no go, and saves battery life.
Laeosari ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:23:19 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Retrieval is always interesting. https://xkcd.com/585/
jtioannou ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:01:58 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
They should strap bright spotlights to the whale which will draw more life to it at great depths out of the other animals curiosity. That could cause some interesting interactions.
๐๏ธ MordorsFinest ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:11:04 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Might make the whale more vulnerable to predators and make it hard for them to find prey. But sending a submarine drone to a whale carcass could be interesting
Tobiand ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:22:44 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This has been done and it is kind of interesting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKTRv3hx1s0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQbGk4sHROg
jtioannou ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:14:01 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
What predators do sperm whales have?
๐๏ธ MordorsFinest ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 18:15:02 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'm convinced there are monsters in the deep
ChristopherT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:28:35 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Perhaps maybe something more intelligent than humans?
EasyxTiger ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:30:40 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The first step to avoiding a trap is knowing of its existence.
Tibleman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:58:26 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
KeetoNet ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:43:15 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ultra whales.
Smoke_deGrasse_Sagan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:04:29 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ovum whales
ovi_left_faceoff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:58:41 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Vangaurds ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:10:23 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think anything that spends its entire life in pitch black darkness will be "intrigued" by hi-beams
Boshaft ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:50:57 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It's possible that some species down there will have gone blind, like the Mexican Tetra, but there are other sources of light than the sun, like the bioluminescence of the anglerfish
jtioannou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:13:43 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Why not? Something they have never seen before wouldn't generate curiosity?
deekaydubya ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:18:33 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Until they are blinded maybe
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:17:08 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
But with lights attached how will the whale feed ?
CRISPR ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:04:16 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Also, a way for camera not to be knocked off by other twirking whales.
BEN_therocketman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:26:40 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
But... but it's WHALE-VISION. The cool name justifies the thing's existence.
zeaga2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:52:24 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I just love the child-like interest you show in this. It's awesome.
scotscott ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:52:36 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It's easier to make small things survive high pressure because of the surface area to volume ratio.
ResRevolution ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:49:27 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'm just going to respond to this comment.
Sperm Whales are my bae. I love everything about them and I will (hopefully) soon be dedicating my life, time wise, to learn more about them.
One of the biggest issues is that they remove the cameras from one another. Something about the cameras annoys the sperm whales, so they have a buddy remove it for them. It could be some sort of frequency the camera is putting out that they can detect. The sperm whale could feel this strange sensation on its skin and not like it. It could even be that the sperm whale can tell that the camera is affecting its hydrodynamics and for an animal that thrives on diving that is pretty much a big no. It could even be a fellow sperm whale seeing the foreign device and removing it without the sperm whale knowing it had a camera on it.
We have the technology for cameras to go as deep as sperm whales dive... the sperm whales just don't like the cameras.
And actually, now watching that YouTube video that is exactly what happened. The sperm whales just do not like the cameras. Until we can make a camera that we know is utterly silent and incredibly tiny we will probably never get full footage of a sperm whale critter cam.
PizzaGood ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:06:28 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
They have an infrared illuminator, that's the only reason it can see as much as it can. "Night vision" if by that you mean low light and not infrared, would be utterly useless. It's not "low light" down there, it's "no light". No camera can see down there, any more than they can see in a deep cave with no lights.
parrotsnest ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:19:01 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think that existed back then. Was CoD out yet? <_<
skintigh ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:42:17 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Why wouldn't an inanimate object with no moving parts not survive the pressure? Just seal it up, maybe even pre-pressurize it. The things that don't survive the pressure are large squishy objects with big egos which require large, complicated vessels to protect them.
I-HAVE-THE-POWER ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 19:21:09 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You know, anytime I see something like this, I'm asking myself why the fuck they didn't do it more than just the once or twice. This was way back in 2008 or even before and you're telling me that no one has tried this again in seven years?
panamaspace ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:23:25 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
ONe trip was more than enough, we've seen all there was to see. Now quit your yapping, the lizard men don't want the location of their secret underwater bases disclosed. Look, a free Reddit gold thread is going on at /r/circlejerk, go, go, go!
Vivalapapa ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 20:35:31 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It really bugs me that they had music playing while they're telling you to listen to these unique sperm whale sounds.
jsveiga ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:32:20 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, so you mean those synthesized electric bass and drums like sounds are NOT the unique sperm whale sounds? :-)
webchimp32 ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 15:31:10 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
God that music was annoying.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:55:03 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Where have I heard it before though (the first song)?
webchimp32 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:58:20 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know, I skipped forward
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:10:30 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I think it was from like Tony Hawk's Pro Skater or something.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:32:29 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yup: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6TMXbA08kQ
[deleted] ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 17:05:04 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
This is the one I loved watching as a kid. Sea Monsters: The Search for the Giant Squid. Full of great facts, and cool 3D animations which were pretty good for the time, 1998.
Edit; Downvotes? Really?
NW_thoughtful ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:40:03 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Don't know why you were downvoted, but is this the show?
Real Life Sea Monsters : Documentary on Hunting Giant Squid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qyMb9Xg9Ic
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:50:09 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, I linked it above somewhere. Thanks though!
It's a 1998 documentary, I remember getting a neighbor to record it on VHS for me. I wore that tape out.
NW_thoughtful ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:54:28 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Cool. Maybe that other one can give you more squid entertainment!
HakenkreuzHarry ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 18:17:10 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
downvoted
chicagobrews ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:38:19 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Upvoted
RodgerTheBong ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:03:38 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That is really interesting
MooseKnocker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:35:00 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Saving the video for later, but can I get a heads up on how they attach the camera to the whale?
jsveiga ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:24:49 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It's quite clever, looks like a pump sucks air from a suction cup which attaches to the whale. Then I guess it releases the pressure when they want the device to surface. When it surfaces, it radio signals the mother ship for recovery.
MooseKnocker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:31:36 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That's awesome, I could only think they would harpoon a hook into or a team of guys would put a belt on the whale
jsveiga ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:43:30 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I first though that too, but then I was wondering how hard it would be to recover the equipment. The suction cup thing solves the recovering issue and is easier/less painful to attach. Clever scientists!
tevert ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:00:05 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The sounds.....
BubblingMonkey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:17:08 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Down to the Abyss Colleseum, it's like the Pokรฉmon Colleseum under tornament, but in the deep abyss
2_minutes_in_the_box ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:38:11 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This was surprisingly badass.
WestOfTheField ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:07:37 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You know that whale vs giant squid footage almost had me fooled but I worked it out, it's CGI. No need to thank me.
crucialmind ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:11:10 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
At 6:01 in the video he sounds so much like Professor Frink
DOW_orks7391 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:13:35 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Hey some of these sounds the whales are making are new and have never been heard before so let's play music over it.
notevil22 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:01:17 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
so...they failed at the task that op suggested. i guess it was kind of interesting anyways.
caricamento ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:10:22 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Footage at 3:25
randomsnark ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:55:24 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
They should repeat this with the latest technology - slap a stereoscopic 360 camera on there and release the whole dive as a VR experience.
Drakken_LOL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:18:54 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit is that how people actually pronounce Azores? Yikes.
Squeakcab ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:05:09 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
"Octopuses" Used in a history channel bit. Are you fucking kidding?
[deleted] ยท 4262 points ยท Posted at 15:52:58 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
What if you spend millions to rent a boat and crew and sail around looking for a sperm whale, successfully attach a camera, only to find out that Steve the sperm whale has no interest in fighting giant squids. In fact, he spends most of his time in his room listening to the Cure while painting shitty paintings with only black and brown.
๐๏ธ MordorsFinest ยท 2391 points ยท Posted at 15:55:43 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I think I'd still become world famous and extremely rich to prove, on video, that there are emo whales. Or goth, i forgot the difference again.
[deleted] ยท 1000 points ยท Posted at 16:03:22 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Better that than the tentacle porn most of them are into these days.
๐๏ธ MordorsFinest ยท 1652 points ยท Posted at 16:04:25 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder if whales have orgies?
[deleted] ยท 4557 points ยท Posted at 16:05:20 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
ask your mom ;)
PackPup ยท 2296 points ยท Posted at 17:21:52 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
RIP op.
sneakybaelish ยท 2232 points ยท Posted at 18:07:29 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
"Yes, police? I just witnessed a fucking murder."
๐๏ธ MordorsFinest ยท 859 points ยท Posted at 18:12:24 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
And it was glorious
edit: well played
NoCountryForOldVan ยท 914 points ยท Posted at 18:20:39 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'm glad you're taking it so well. Just like your mom.
Ilosemyaccountsoften ยท 267 points ยท Posted at 18:27:07 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Sex...
keepsforgettinmyacc ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:18:54 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You are the closest to a username-brother I have found this far
Ilosemyaccountsoften ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:51:51 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This friendship is doomed. We should form a sub for people whi lose their accounts constantly.
keepsforgettinmyacc ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:20:22 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
/r/keepsforgettinmysub
๐๏ธ MordorsFinest ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:59:18 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
boo
Ilosemyaccountsoften ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:01:54 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry I uhhh... Did I say something wrong?
Geoffrey-Tempest ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:02:26 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
No, sperm!!
sneakybaelish ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:10:45 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
op's mom....
GustoB ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:23:08 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Hair...
CowboyAstronautClown ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:50:10 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It feels good to be the caboose.
OhMaaGodAmSoFatttttt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:21:13 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
She just wanna close her eyes this way...
with you, with you, with youuuuu
๐๏ธ MordorsFinest ยท 104 points ยท Posted at 18:26:27 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Oh man, I want to see how many of these we can get into the thread...
that's yet another setup, cmon guys make me proud
Naknaknaknaknaknak ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 18:41:22 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Unfortunately we could only fit two. The thread overflowed, just like your mother.
snr_espresso ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 18:28:30 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see how many of these we can get into your mother?
d0gmeat ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 19:22:02 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I came here to add one, but saw this and knew I wasn't capable of beating it.
Unlike OP's mom!
StankyNugz ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:47:14 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I came here to add one, I also came on ops mom.
d0gmeat ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:05:46 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Good one.
...
Again, unlike OP's mom. :)
sneakybaelish ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:27:01 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This will be a yomama train wreck.
sexfootbay ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:12:54 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
the last time I saw a thread this good it was flossing your mom's pubes.
StoryTime_With_Will ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:28:03 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
We don't take hand outs.
Unlike your mom.
NSA_Mailhandler ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:35:55 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'm proud of you, unlike your mom.
MissplacedLandmine ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:02:30 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Proud ? Like the thing you don't make your mom
(Fuck your setup)
OhHelloThere_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:41:23 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I made your mother proud last night ;)
LBJSmellsNice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:35:32 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I got your mum into a thread!
Smokey_Circles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:14:19 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I bet it does...
BB_Venum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:28:31 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I was surprised how many guys we could fit into your mom.
ಠ_ಠ
Xtrndk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:06:01 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That's what she said
rjohnston11 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:03:02 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Probably around the same amount as the number of dicks we can fit into your mom.
Cerxi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:12:00 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see if we can get your mom into the thread.
dogpos ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:34:40 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Penis!
NeroCloud ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:46:47 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You're not my dad
ProfWhite ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:30:23 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
OP's mom actually doesn't take it well. Part of the reason it's so damn hot.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:52:30 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure this is one of those Andy Kaufman, so not funny that it is, jokes.
prof_talc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:09:47 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I see Blue!
bobers654 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:36:09 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Well, it was MordorsFinest
NEXT_VICTIM ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:27:00 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Death by snu snu?
dyingstar24 ยท 104 points ยท Posted at 18:14:35 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Cause of death: third degree burns
pognut ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 18:18:49 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That's some fucking 7th degree burns right there.
AMasonJar ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:26:11 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It burned his very imprint on the universe as a whole?
whizzer0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:06:08 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The system is reversed in Britain, so third degree burns are very minor.
dyingstar24 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:11:38 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Oh. Then first?
M8asonmiller ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:18:37 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You have to make sure you say it with the accent though, so there's no confusion: Fuhst degree buhns
whizzer0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:54:16 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That sounds Scottish to meโฆ
M8asonmiller ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:04:46 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ferrrst degrrree berrrns
monsda ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 17:46:41 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
He was talking about sperm whales on Reddit, a mom joke was inevitable.
tt612 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:18:42 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
FTFY
fortcocks ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:50:36 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
A statistical certainty.
TheReal_DirtyDan ยท 169 points ยท Posted at 18:37:31 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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I-Argue-With-Myself ยท 84 points ยท Posted at 18:53:25 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
RIP mobile users
[deleted] ยท 109 points ยท Posted at 19:04:45 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
[deleted]
Darth_Ra ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 19:46:58 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Because you apple bastards are the downfall of civilization.
ShadowyDragon ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:56:03 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It works on my andriod.
-bears ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:29:00 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The guy could literally have an Android phone, I'm truly at a loss of what you're talking about.
rolledupdollabill ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:47:24 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Looks fine on my banana.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:04:34 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I don't have an apple?
HitlerWasADoozy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:24:20 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'm using an iphone and this turned out perfectly fine.
purple_monkey58 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:25:39 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It looks like a bunch of cupcakes some have sprinkles
LifeWulf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:08:20 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Not my app, unfortunately. I don't even think it has to do with the app, but rather the phone (and my amazing for budget Huawei Ascend Mate 2 unfortunately doesn't have those symbols installed it seems).
[deleted] ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 19:24:05 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Unless you don't have a shitty phone
NoBonesLikeJelly ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 19:05:10 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Jokes on you, man I love my G3
BerserkerBacon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:55:14 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Same for the G4, looks good.
Mutasyn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:46:13 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Jokes on you, my G4 does it better.
NoBonesLikeJelly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:06:54 on July 14, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
Well the extra money you spend has to be used for something :-)
Mutasyn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:11:33 on July 14, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Quite right!
HajaKensei ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:32:49 on July 14, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
LG best G
Glutenfreelumberjack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:19:44 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Same
scrabblex ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:49:13 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
shows fine on the website, no app!
xxxxcrisisxxxx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:04:03 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Looks fine on my Android turbo maxx
galironxero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:08:34 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Unless your phone isn't prehistoric
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:47:40 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
One of five Windows Phone users and still can see it.
Console_Master_Race ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:36:55 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Works on Baconit.
SSGoku4000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:46:59 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Works fine for me on my Note 3.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:15:23 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Looks fine on Reddit is Fun
bat_krasun ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:52:08 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
PanzershREKT
BenjiTheWalrus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:14:52 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Mass EREKT
Mass_Errect ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:13:01 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Wow I've never heard that, totally using it if you don't mind :D
BenjiTheWalrus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:21:26 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
yee
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:59:40 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Rekt and Confused
Rektangled
eRektor Set
droolingBONER ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:25:24 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Once upon a Time in the Rekt fucking killed me.
GameFreak4321 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:17:09 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Put 2 spaces at the end of each line so it doesn't end up all on the same line.
TheReal_DirtyDan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:00:32 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Will do my friend!
Ex_iledd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:38:50 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ahh the good ol' Reddit REKT-a-roo
IwillBeDamned ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:44:06 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
rektum? damn near killed him!
jhtr42 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:15:04 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Probably the hardest i've laughed at anything on reddit, ever. Wow
NumberM87 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:45:11 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
http://imgur.com/fHnPjUe
[deleted] ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 19:10:18 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This kills the OP...
JayBrundage ยท 111 points ยท Posted at 18:08:39 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ship Rekt
Cascadianarchist ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 18:42:22 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
OP
๐๏ธ MordorsFinest ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 19:00:18 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
what is dead may never die
AquaauqA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:05:11 on July 18, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Valar Morghulis
woofle07 ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 17:41:19 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Savage
ErockSnips ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 18:15:58 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
http://imgur.com/klIpozy Savage
swimmerv99 ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 18:48:51 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Was it that time of the month for OP's mom?
pasher71 ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 18:53:43 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
A real man loves his mother no matter what time of the month it is.
Cheeseologist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:38:39 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, even if his arms are broken.
Danster21 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:52:57 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Savage
GET_ME_REX_KRAMER ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:23:13 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Beyond perversion!
brand_new70x7 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:34:47 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
Where's the reaction gif of those black dudes going ohhhhhhhhhh. Lol
Edit: Here you go. http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/supa-hot-fire.gif
The_Caelondian ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:15:15 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Here you go
brand_new70x7 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:49:00 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That's doesn't really fit. Damn, now I'm gonna have to find it myself.
The_Caelondian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:57:01 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, I thought that was it. Not sure why now, they aren't even saying the same thing.
brand_new70x7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:44:50 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I appreciate the time you took out of your day regardless.
The_Caelondian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:55:51 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
no prob :)
Nature-Is-Awesome ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:18:45 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This is what I had thought he had asked for. I see you, man
ArMcK ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:51:24 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Well done!
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:36:47 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted]
mad0314 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:53:20 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_burn_centers_in_the_United_States
HellfireKyuubi ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:24:50 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
And that was the last time anyone saw /u/MordorsFinest again
๐๏ธ MordorsFinest ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:25:19 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
no it wont be
TheMusiKid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:52:25 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Oooooooooh
bitchtits_mcgoo ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:25:05 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Lethal.
savor_every_morsel ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 18:12:50 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
So unexpected that I said "oh my god" out loud and then startled my dog with quiet laughter
twoEZpayments ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:41:26 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Rekt.
JollyWhiskerThe4th ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:00:08 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Rektacular - Rektrostohpy - Rektamanjaro
The_M4G ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:01:10 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
butchered
Treatment87 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:52:16 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
mic drop
M8asonmiller ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:16:40 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
*Drops mic, raises hands, ascends into Heaven
ETNxMARU ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:01:21 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I can feel the heat radiating from OP's third degree burn.
AssholeBot9000 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:30:14 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Damn son, you just took my job away from me.
KHRJ ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:42:33 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
What a whalecum
unholymackerel ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:01:59 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That wasn't a fluke.
Johndough99999 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:31:12 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Meh, this pun thread aint gonna fly. Im baleen
ChurchOfFoles ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:07:44 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
OP has a family
tbonemcmotherfuck ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:19:02 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Oh damn!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:23:27 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This kills the OP
HumanID ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:38:06 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Well that explains his moms love of dorks.
lostTHENf0und ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:54:02 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
r.e.k.t.
Whiteout- ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:07:28 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
http://i.imgur.com/bfJ78FF.gif
HuskyPants ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:12:14 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Laughing so hard my baleen hurts
YourAverageCisWhite ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:35:33 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Oh my fucking god that was brilliant
Gibbenz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:48:41 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit...
porchdoor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:06:21 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
http://gfycat.com/PlaintiveGlossyAmmonite
M8asonmiller ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:14:33 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I say Got Daym
coolguy22329 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:08:06 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Where is the chill???!!
droolingBONER ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:24:06 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking dominated.
lakerswiz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:51:48 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Hope you don't fuck up your post with the "omg highest comment is about whale orgies" or that thanks for the gold bullshit.
AJB46 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:53:17 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You fucking savage.
stuffedcrustpizza ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:12:08 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Rekt
sounds_cat_fishy ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:34:56 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Rektum
BetaWAV ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:37:20 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
eREKTshun!
Goat42 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:56:41 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Rektum?! Damn near wrecked him.
Shoop_a_Doop ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:43:52 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Rektum?! Damn near killed him!
That's how the joke goes if I'm not mistaken.
Goat42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:42:32 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Shoop_a_Doop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:07:26 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Well if that's the case why did you say, "damn new wrecked him"? Not trying to be a shit just pointing that out.
Brasher16 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:49:47 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Wrecked him? I damn near killed him
chrisinurpants ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:11:04 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Hector's
Toomuchfun21 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:42:42 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This is why I love reddit...
wsuraider18 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:11:58 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
( อกยฐ อส อกยฐ)
Leonardo_DiCapricock ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:19:00 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Rekt
NightHawkRambo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:06:33 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That wrektage was deeper than the Titanic.
BRUTALLEEHONEST ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:48:36 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
His mom is into whales? How would she know?
mad0314 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:53:48 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Is that you Bryan Cranston?
Dentality ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:20:24 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
rekt.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:44:36 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Rekt
BabaGanoush12 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:31:44 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I was gonna call the cops but the cops cant unrape you..
ThatsMrShitheadToYou ยท 56 points ยท Posted at 17:45:46 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
Actually they do. My biology teacher in high school told us that when it is whale mating season, you can literally see their semen from a helicopter because it's all in the water in a small area. Not sure how real this is but he was a good teacher and really knew his shit so maybe it's true.
edit: turns out my biology teacher knew his shit. He was a great guy and an even better teacher. We didn't actually learn about whale mating, but he would give us the most random, awesome facts almost daily and this was one of them.
theyellowgoat ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 18:14:27 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Makes me feel good about swimming in the ocean.
VoyagerOfTheCosmos ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 18:26:44 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Whale semen should be the last of your worries.
SwenKa ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 19:17:03 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I enjoy that you said 'last' and not 'least', given the volume probably needed to be seen from a helicopter.
LBJSmellsNice ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:36:42 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Whale semen only is harmful to krill and plankton. You want to be watchful of shark semen
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:02:17 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
He quite clearly said whale sperm makes him feel good.
[deleted] ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 18:19:15 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
feel the motion of the ocean
Aqua783 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:15:04 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
commotion in the ocean
shittyhilux ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:16:10 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Thats why it's so salty
surfer_ryan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:20:52 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
And now everytime I surf I'm going to feel like I'm being raped by sea creatures
poop_dawg ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:17:55 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'm curious, but too scared to look that up...
sneakybaelish ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:01:52 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Still similar to OP's mom activities.
Dubsland12 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:24:53 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Teacher knew his shit, and his cum. A true double threat.
XxLokixX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:39:27 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yes it is true. Its funny because not only am i a helicopter pilot who has taken people over the reefs of southern Australia and seen this, but i also studied marine geography and learnt all about this. We watched a documentary on whale semen.
ThatsMrShitheadToYou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:39:32 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Flying in a helicopter over the reefs of southern Australia has now been added to my bucket list.
[deleted] ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 18:19:24 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I've heard some whale species do it missionary style, but the bottom partner starts sinking down, so they get a third involved to basically be a bed for Thing 1 and Thing 2 to get their freak on.
[deleted] ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 20:11:37 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Friend zoned
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:01:30 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
More like Wing Man of the fucking Year.
GreasyBreakfast ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:55:48 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
More like ... fin man.
Norwegosaurus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:06:09 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Third wheeled
panamaspace ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:25:39 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Dolphins do that! I learned that by reading about sex in space, and how humans will also need a third wheel to help them have sex because there is nothing to push against.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:27:24 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Haha really? Man, I feel like our technological capabilities might come in a bit more handy than "hey, Mike, get in here so I can fuck my wife on your back!"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:29:54 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Zero gee sex cages
tinkthe ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:47:26 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Orchies
Deathwatch101 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:28:35 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I think whales normally mass mate aka lots of males around females, or something obviously to not show which one may or may not be the father or something.
thewildsnorlax ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:46:02 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Whorgies?
gigglebeare ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:29:39 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Whalgies
miparasito ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:32:12 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Whorgies are something else.
finklefunk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:56:16 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
My cousin was watching a show on Netflix about whales the other night. They do.
sounddude ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:35:01 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Walk right in
whizzer0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:05:33 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
/r/nocontext
This_Name_Defines_Me ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:13:58 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Dolphins do.
pantofla ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:52:13 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Dolphins have 3-somes. Whales probably do too. Idk if this counts as orgy though
randomacccount ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:55:05 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit how the fuck do I get a get a gold star
panamaspace ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:24:21 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
If they are anything like dolphins, yes, and gang rape too.
sneakybaelish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:30:44 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That feel when OP is rekt so hard.
jackbristol ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:04:55 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
thought this deserved more love
FoxSanjuro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:22:11 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Allegedly.
CudiHaze ยท 69 points ยท Posted at 18:35:43 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Goths believes that deep down the world is totally fucked up. But an emo thinks that deep down, they are totally fucked up. Per se.
Source: Literally just watched this episode :p
[deleted] ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 18:59:56 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It's true though.
Also the only way to get rid of vampires is the burn down the hot topic.
GOTTA_GET_A_GRIP ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:06:44 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
But what if someone believed that deep down both the world and them are totally fucked up?
CudiHaze ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:21:31 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think you're totally fucked up /u/GOTTA_GET_A_GRIP :D
settingfires ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:54:35 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Plain old depressed?
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 19:08:09 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I bet there are tons of former goth kids, current adults who get like really perturbed that The Cure is played on 80s stations just the same as the pop that was big back then. They tried to hard to make it different, but now we think it's the same.
MrBokbagok ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 20:13:45 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This has always been the case. Nine Inch Nails and Blink 182 were practically played back to back in the 90s. No rhyme or reason.
secret-clouds ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:12:39 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
blink-182*
MrBokbagok ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:48:05 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
well you can see which one i was a fan of
IAmSamSamIAmAMA ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:00:55 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I wasn't alive in the 80s and this really surprised me. It's totally like you said, the music is so strongly associated with 80s pop now that I never thought of it in any other context.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:53:32 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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jelloskater ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:56:07 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Well, they didn't just 'try', they succeeded. Musically, they are very different. People do the same thing to all 'classical' (I mean that in the broad sense, not actually the classical period) musicians, and clump them together without realizing how absurdly different their styles are, just because of the context they know them from.
Princess_Little ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:04:35 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Emo want to die, Goth want you to die.
jelloskater ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:01:49 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The Cure is goth.
Goth are people who are into darker sides of reality/culture/etc. It was initially entirely a music trend. They aren't (edit: necessarily) depressed, but their views come of as 'depressing'.
Goth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64x_RCArfjU
Emo is based on the word 'emo'tional. They like to overreact about their own issues. Whereas goth people would ignore many aspects of life and think of them as meaningless due to their eventual demise, emo people would be whining about their relationships (or lack thereof). I don't care for either viewpoint, but goth is more respectable.
Emo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vc6vs-l5dkc
Both have almost entirely died out. Scene kinda followed them, which also died out. And now there's hipster.
wayne_fox ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:22:10 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Hipster as a word has existed since the 30s I believe. There have been many waves and generations of 'hipsters.'
jelloskater ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:52:55 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
40's, but the term back then describes a very different trend than the one now. And there haven't been waves/generations of hipsters, this is either the first or the second, depending how you want to look at it.
wayne_fox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:25:52 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
As a widespread movement by name, yes. But the movement by name overlapped with emo (see Armor For Sleep's Williamsburg music video), not just existing after its death, as you suggest. In fact, it started in the 90s (Montage of Heck refers to an early Nirvana review by hipsters), and it was named referencing the 40s trend, so it's not unfair to call it a second wave (by name). I also don't think the 40s trend was as different as you claim. It was a scene built around new trends in underground music. Same idea, hence the name copying.
The current hipster trend was described as 'bohemian' when it was first forming, which was what 40s hipsters were, then replaced by the beatniks, and then the hippies, before coming back to hipsters, as this describes. The hipster vibe has had many generations and iterations. So you're correct that, by name, there haven't been a plethora, but I'll stand by my original statement if we're talking about vibe and lifestyle choice (especially since I wrote hipsters in quotes to begin with).
jelloskater ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:59:17 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
"It was a scene built around new trends in underground music. Same idea, hence the name copying."
Which I agree with to some extent. It makes sense why they used the same term, but the genre/motivation of the music they are following are absurdly different. At their heart, it's two separate trends with superficial similarities.
"But the movement by named overlapped with emo...not just existing after its death, as you suggest."
That's misleading. Sure, they 'overlap', but only in the brief period as emo was dying out and hipster was picking up steam.
"Montage of Heck refers to an early Nirvana review by hipsters"
Huh?
"The current hipster trend was described as 'bohemian' when it was first forming..."
Yawn. We all have access to google. Don't bring up irrelevant shit to try to make yourself sound smarter. Pretentious as can be.
~'hipsters/beatniks/hippies/hipsters'"
Each their own unique counter-cultures with little to no relation to the previous.
"plethora"
Christ mate.
"...I'll stand by my original statement..."
It's wrong, I told you why it's wrong, you clearly googled it and failed to find any information to back up your claim, and then stuck your entire argument on an idiotic article that actually disagrees with what you said anyway. "And now we've come full circle". The article itself says this is the second wave of hipsters.
wayne_fox ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:39:12 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
"I'll attack your vocabulary."
Agree to disagree. There have been two waves of hipsters by name and more by ideology. That's what I've said all along and that's what I stand by. Sorry if you disagree, but you have given me nothing to change my mind on the topic. It's mostly semantics anyway.
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
jelloskater ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:43:07 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
"So you're correct that, by name, there haven't been a plethora,"
The problem is that you tried to pointlessly use a complicated word that you couldn't form a sentence with. What you said doesn't make sense. As long as I can understand what a person is trying to say I'm normally fine with it, but not when they are trying to sound smart instead of focusing on the topic at hand.
"...two waves of hipsters by name..."
Yes.
"...more by ideology..."
No, this is the very first by ideology.
"...you have given me nothing to change my mind on the topic."
The problem is that you made up your mind with no evidence. You were convinced that the have been previous 'waves' of hipsters. You then looked up evidence to specifically back that up, rather than researching for the truth. When you didn't find evidence, instead of realizing you were wrong, you went full moving goalpost fallacy.
"Agree to disagree"
That only works in the case of two valid stances. That's not what we have here though.
"it's mostly semantics anyway"
Semantics are incredibly important. Aside from that, you entirely dismissed the semantics based argument when you said "...two waves of hipsters by name and more by ideology...". There is no argument of semantics here, we both agree that there have only been two waves of hipsters by name.
"...you have given me nothing to change my mind..."
But I have. You also made up your mind based on absolutely 0 evidence or reasoning.
So let's go over the shred of non-existence 'evidence' you are sticking to, which is that 'hipsters/beatneks/hippies/(current) hipsters all share the same ideology'.
Hipster (1940's): -Listened exclusively to Jazz music. -"The hipster adopted the lifestyle of the jazz musician, including some or all of the following: dress, slang, use of cannabis and other drugs, relaxed attitude, sarcastic humor, self-imposed poverty and relaxed sexual codes." -Followed African American culture -No overarching philosophy.
Beatnik -Underground, anti-conformist youth. -Unique style (black turtleneck/beret/dark glasses. not mimicked) -Antimaterialistic
Hippy -Psychedelic music + drugs -Eastern philosophy and spirituality -Nomad-esque -Sexual revolution -Pacifist/anti-war
(Modern) Hipster: -Vintage/retro/ironic materialistic fashion/objects -Indie music -No overarching philosophy
None of the counter-cultures have the same 'ideology', and the current hipster trend has no relation to any of the previous movements. It's an insult to your own intelligence to try to argue differently, but I will gladly watch you try.
wayne_fox ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:53:13 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Calmer than you are
jelloskater ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:44:25 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The mind of a moron is baffling. I am entirely calm, and never claimed you to not be calm. When you realize you are wrong, simply acknowledge it and move on. That's the difference between smart people who become smarter and stupid people who become even more idiotic. I can only give you the information and the reasoning, I can't make you pick a path.
wayne_fox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:53:42 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I was referencing Big Lebowski. Dude, chill. You obviously won the argument, no need for more name calling (not that there ever was, but if it made you feel better, who am I to stop you?). I just think it's funny how passionate people get over stupid issues, just to be right. How long did you spend typing and formatting your perfect internet reply? lol. No biggie. You were right, and I was wrong. Hopefully you can move on too.
jelloskater ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:16:06 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, I didn't get the reference at all (still don't know it).
I'm not passionate over the issue, I just don't care for 'unresolved' discussions so to speak. As long as the other person is being rational, I continue the discussion until every point has been covered.
"How long did you spend typing and formatting your perfect internet reply"
Hard to say. Typed it while watching netflix/listening to music/playing video games. Spent quite some time reading articles and stuff, but that's because I felt like learning more about it, and making sure my previous inclinations were actually backed up by facts. I'd say 30 minutes or so spent typing/researching.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:43:26 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I miss the days of Rites of Spring and Hot Water Music. Also, later, The Get Up Kids. That was some fucking good emo.
Johnzsmith ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:28:44 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Nice choice on the Joy Division track.
Ricepilaf ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:40:26 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Panic! At The Disco is not actually emo! Panic is pop-punk, and at some points leans more towards just plain pop, whereas emo is more of an offshoot of punk. In fact, there's a pretty big emo revival going on right now, it's just mostly underground. This is a pretty good example of modern emo, or, say, this.
jelloskater ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:41:50 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panic!_at_the_Disco#Musical_style
All the emo people I knew growing up and wikipedia say differently. I tried to pick a song people would recognize, but I'll give a different example.
Here, happy now?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUC5T8NxHuA
"there's a pretty big emo revival going on right now, it's just mostly underground"
No there isn't. That's just indie/emo. There's neo music for every genre, it doesn't mean the trend is reviving.
august_west_ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:52:01 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You're not wrong.
waterslidelobbyist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:28:57 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Hardcore scenesters are still around, much less than in the nineties and early aughts, but they def haven't died out. I also have a problem with the progression from Goth -> emo -> hipster, although all of the emo kids and scenesters I knew in high school all live in Silver Lake and play in beardy folk bands now, maybe there was a progression.
jelloskater ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:46:26 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It's not so much a progression, as it is just a shift in trends. I doubt the people who actually took the ideals to heart actually made the transition, as emo and hipster have absolutely no relation (at least not any I can think of).
Timguin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:55:06 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Where do you live? US? I'm just interested in where they've died out. I live in England and we still have a good sized and active community going on. Mostly the EBM/industrial and dark wave crowd, but also quite a few 80's goths and crust punks running around. My native Germany has a lot going on still as well, as far as I know. I'm guessing there's not much going on across the pond anymore. It never really took off as much there as over here, I believe.
jelloskater ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:07:52 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, my bad. Yes I live in the US and am honestly 100% ignorant to the cultures in other countries. There's still some goths/emo/scene/etc clinging on here, but the trends are entirely gone.
Hardcharger87 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:27:21 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Joy Division is absolutely not goth.
jelloskater ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:36:17 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
They are one of the most noted bands in the creation of the genre of goth music.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_gothic_rock_artists
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gothic_rock
Just googled "top goth albums". Pulled up the first 5 lists, each included a Joy Division album.
http://www.houstonpress.com/music/the-top-20-greatest-goth-albums-of-all-time-nos-10-1-6505490
http://www.treblezine.com/10-best-gothic-rock-albums/
http://www.factmag.com/2010/11/02/20-best-goth/
http://spectrumculture.com/2013/03/21/13-best-goth-albums-of-all-time/3/
I'm sure there are better examples I could have chosen, that was just the first band/song to pop into my head. Regardless, Joy Division is goth.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:52:22 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Emo isn't a phase, mom! ( อกยฐ อส อกยฐ)
sound_forsomething ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:43:37 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Emos hate themselves. Goths hate everything.
Lune__Noir ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:02:02 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The Loneliest Whale :(
rounding_error ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:34:24 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Wanna play 52 hertz? I mean, 52 pickup?
How about a Hertz donut?
Dammit, I fucked it up.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:02:13 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
South park says emos hate themselves, goths hate everything else.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:35:25 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
the difference is a decade,
๐๏ธ MordorsFinest ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:36:29 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
a decade ago text messages were a new feature
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:44:51 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Text messages have been around for longer than cell phones...
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:52:39 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
and a huge expense.
ProfWhite ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:29:28 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Goth, emo, or "scene" as my stepdaughter calls them. Why do kids insist on making new words for things?
Uncle_Bill ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:35:44 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Jargon is a way to differentiate who is in a tribe and who is out.
ProfWhite ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:59:01 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Are you telling me these creatures are able to self organize into tribes?!
Damn we're doomed...
jelloskater ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:14:02 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Scene are more colorful, outgoing, and think highly of themselves (or at least act like it). They also listen to unbearably shitty music.
Neg_Crepe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:20:56 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Did you just call the cure emo? Wtf
PM_ME_A_NEW_USERNAME ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:29:47 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The sea was angry that day, my friends
Thevilmuffinman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:40:16 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
goths eat the emos
T3hN1nj4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:01:07 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Goth2Boss rememberthename!
myrpou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:16:57 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
If there can be emo cows there can be emo whales.
gutter_rat_serenade ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:24:48 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I think the difference is in the direction that they cut...
HLef ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:08:27 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Rich how?
FatGuyANALLIttlecoat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:11:52 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The Cure is goth.
hennel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:28:58 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Already is one, and they're already making a documentary
No whales can hear the poor fucker.
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rounding_error ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:32:40 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
We already know that there are juggalo whales.
adhesivekoala ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:25:14 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
its so dark down there, you would need a huge light source as well
sveitthrone ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:09:20 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
An appreciation for Shelley.
sheslostcontrolx ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:48:10 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I think you have goth confused with mall goth, and emo confused with the faux "emo" movement of the mid 2000s. In reality, the two are worlds away from each other.
ultra242 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:13:42 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That'd be goth. The difference is that emos listen to shitty music.
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 17:55:29 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The only difference between emo, scene, and goth is that scene kids wear color and emo kids are trying to be goth but can't actually nut up and do the things that come with it.
Charnt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:58:22 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Or emos just like the style of clothing?
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 18:54:48 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Goths can listen to good music. Emo kids cannot.
clown-penisdotfart ยท 134 points ยท Posted at 18:10:28 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I told you, Mom, it's not Steve it's Azraeth the Pained and I don't fight squids, I just travel to the darkest depths of the sea to swim where the water is as black as my soul and for the last time this is not just a phase! This is who I am! Deal with it!
FartingBob ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 19:19:35 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Gawd mom! I told you, I only swim to the darkest depths of my soul!
foulfellow43 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:02:32 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
tell that mean ocean!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:15:24 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
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clown-penisdotfart ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:19:40 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
What are you talking about? I was late to join reddit and this was literally the last username available.
You_Dont_Exist_ ยท 63 points ยท Posted at 19:05:19 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The marine biologists just dont understand me
Shitty_Watercolour ยท 330 points ยท Posted at 20:32:50 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
watercoloured
http://i.imgur.com/B3L6LWa.png
scrazen ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 22:05:57 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
We Must Go Deeper
RogerDaShrubber ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 20:48:06 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Is this a self portrait? Is /u/shitty_watercolour a whale?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:33:39 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Always imagined /u/shitty_watercolour as a Narwhal, never a sperm whale...
LOLMUFFINLOL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:37:19 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Nice one! Have nice day
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:40:19 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Awesome! He even has a little camera!
4thekarma ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:44:09 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'm so glad you're back.
TheWinterKing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:45:24 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Nothing shitty about that watercolour, that's a beauty.
hoyeay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:46:44 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
My new favorite redditor(:
following_eyes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:11:31 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Do you actually use watercolours for these or are you digitally painting?
Speech500 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:48:28 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You've been busy lately
Cilicia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:56:54 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
8/10. There should be a Disintegration poster in the background.
lolthrash ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:23:45 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I love you shitty_watercolour
TheNerdyNegro ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 18:11:25 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Douglas Adams son confirmed.
frictionqt ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 17:45:39 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
thats not a sperm whale, thats an art major.
NorCalTico ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:40:54 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You say that as if black and brown weren't the two most beautiful colors.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:03:33 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I can't argue without sounding racist. Damn you.
CraftyDrac ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 18:34:47 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
FIFY
DisplacedNYorker ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 20:06:44 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Tell that to James Cameron.
teokk ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 21:06:40 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
James Cameran.
I... I don't know why I did that...
LintGrazOr8 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:30:58 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
James Cameraman.
TheBlackBear ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:17:36 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure they can figure out a rig of some kind. I mean we first descended there 55 years ago ffs.
CraftyDrac ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:08:22 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Have fun making a camera withstand 1000 bars+ in the worst conditions known to mankind strapped on a freaking whale that liked to smash everything
TheBlackBear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:33:28 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That sounds the biggest problem. They already have deep sea cameras.
flacidd ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:33:04 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Swim in his deep dark abyss
Lights0ff ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:41:24 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
"Goddammit Steven, you're a sperm whale, not an ovum whale. Quit being such a damn mermaid and get your ass out there!
...I swear Sheila, I don't care if that boy gets his ass kicked by a reef squid, he still needs to start somewhere. I work too hard for this shit."
thomasjthomasj ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:53:16 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I never understood how my parents felt until reading this ;~;
papasmurfio ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:07:58 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Haha, this is one of the best things I've ever read.
misspeelled ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:04:36 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Where is one of those novelty drawing accounts when you need one?
FayTheCat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:31:41 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
thats the most beautiful comment ive ever read
komatachan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:24:06 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Day 3, 1700 hours: Still nothing. SteveWhale hasn't left room; alternates between GTA V and WhaleCowsGoneWild.com.
I_DESTROY_PLANETS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:04:33 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
1000 hours*
komatachan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:11:52 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I spotted the civilian.
I_DESTROY_PLANETS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:29:45 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure if I'm missing out on another reference, but I'm referencing a song from the Cure.
komatachan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:42:48 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
And I was referencing military time. What a coincidence.
moscowrules ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:49:29 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You miss all the shots you don't take! And it would be equally interesting to discover that a whale could appreciate The Cure.
PiaJr ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:04:22 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I believe you have out showerthoughted the showerthoughter. Well done!
notillegalyhere ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:28:33 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Disintegration was the best album ever!!!
ayyyyyyyyychamp ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:15:32 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck yeah I loved the second half of that album.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:42:22 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
/r/nocontext
r3ndr4g ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:49:46 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Painting with poo: Goth. Painting with blood: emo There's ya difference
Budrox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:01:47 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Excellent answer. Now I dont need to wonder why! thanks!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:08:03 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You'd still get to call it the "sperm cam" which would make the endeavor worthwhile in my book.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:25:34 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
We would be disappointed like Steve's parents
recoverybelow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:41:54 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I think that's the coolest outcome so yea lets do this
Mr_Zero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:28:59 on August 28, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
And... That would still be interesting as fuck. Whales can paint and listen to the Cure? Holy living fuck guys, this is incredible!
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:59:18 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
L0l so random!!1!
tbonemcmotherfuck ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:21:20 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Fine, I'll say it. Holds up spork
WiidowMaker ยท 167 points ยท Posted at 18:21:54 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, a few years back they did in fact attach a camera to a sperm whale. The whale started diving, then stopped for no reason. Within a few minutes another sperm whale swam right up to the camera to (to the point were all you could see is its huge eye) then preceded to ram the camera untill it was knocked off. Pretty amazing stuff.
๐๏ธ MordorsFinest ยท 58 points ยท Posted at 18:25:37 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
they're smart animals
[deleted] ยท -19 points ยท Posted at 19:46:56 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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Murtank ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 21:30:59 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
So... No human has ever drowned?
SQUID_FUCKER ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:19:34 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
We're not too terribly bright at times either.
zacharythefirst ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:41:57 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That's correct, anyone who tells you otherwise is lying.
IMakeHaveQuestion ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 22:22:22 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Humans aren't the brightest fish in the sea, either. We've almost killed the planet in just a few centuries... Not exactly what you're saying (accidents happen no matter the species), but still!
ElectricManta ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 02:22:08 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
I can imagine the whale conversation that went down here.
"Wait, what the fuck? Bro come here."
"Sup bromingo."
"Yo is there some shit on my back?"
"Uhhh yeah bro..."
"Oh jesus christ is it a spider? GETITOFF."
"What no fuck you man I ain't touchin' that thing. Ay yo Mike. MIKE!"
"The fuck you want!"
"Come knock this nasty little fucker off Randy before it explodes or some shit."
Edit: More!
"What the hell is that? I ain't touching that."
"JUST GET IT OFF OF ME YOU DICKBAGS!"
"Alright alright jesus man but you owe me some krill."
"FUCK YOU."
"Hmmmm what I didn't hear a yes."
"FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU OKAY JUST GET IT OFF."
boop
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:39:48 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I was so entertained by this
MyOldUsernameWasLame ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:04:23 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Nice.
Anrza ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:58:06 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Source?
tyen0 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:32:42 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
From the comment above this one. :) https://www.reddit.com/r/Showerthoughts/comments/3d0c4e/why_hasnt_anyone_strapped_some_cameras_onto_a/ct0u7sf
Anrza ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:40:02 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure if it's a good source :P
WiidowMaker ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:46:12 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You guys are gonna think I'm full of crap but for the life of me I can't find a source. Saw this problem five years ago on tv
[deleted] ยท 191 points ยท Posted at 17:53:54 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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akame_21 ยท 106 points ยท Posted at 18:05:58 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Lol, I'm sure that's exactly how it went down.
[deleted] ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 19:59:50 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, actually, it kind of went down like this.
joshmanzors ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:49:02 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Choo choo!
Mrwazztazz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:02:39 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
They're hiding something...
treein303 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:14:07 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
"Jรคtteblรคckfisken" reminds me of some of the long words used for street names that I saw during my trip to Europe. I think one of them was 28 letters and began with a D. Good story.
Lumpkyns ยท 180 points ยท Posted at 12:37:38 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That is a brilliant idea. But would they need lights, and how would the whales tolerate strange lights stick on them?
mmmkunz ยท 176 points ยท Posted at 17:55:16 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
With some sensors, you could have the camera trigger a flash when it detects that the sperm whale is closing in for a kill. I'm sure there'd be some possible way to do this like looking for distinctive sonar pings or a burst of acceleration.
This would also have the effect of blinding and disorienting deep sea creatures in the moments before the whale attacks. To be honest, my goal isn't to study the ocean but instead to make cyborg whales which work cooperatively with human technology to overcome their enemies.
Darth_Hobbes ยท 68 points ยท Posted at 19:55:17 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Natural selection would begin to favor these whales, and those that are inclined to approach the scientists would live longer. Eventually stopping by the research vessels to get enhanced would be part of their migratory pattern.
[deleted] ยท 71 points ยท Posted at 20:30:00 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
We can take this further. Humanity should actively back certain species in the wild with weaponry and support gear.
i_am_hamza ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 21:07:13 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You must be from the good ol' U S of A
SQUID_FUCKER ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 22:17:22 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
We gotta give those deep oceans a taste of freedom.
I_dig_fe ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:32:59 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Username checks out
AGQ- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:57:55 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Bravo
buckshot307 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 21:17:10 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
GLADIATOR MICE!
little_seed ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:34:11 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Duuuude is that even a bad idea? "This species is dying out but they're super important!"
"Let's make them stronger. We can do it, we have the technology."
I'd watch that documentary.
AlcohoIicSemenThrowe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:14:50 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Do you want sharks with lasers? Because that's how you get sharks with lasers.
Ruleof2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:18:36 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
But happens when those species decide to turn on us and use our own weapons against us???
Lurking4Answers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:46:36 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This could be done with those evolution simulations.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:48:44 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Let's start with sharks.
HiMyNameIsBoard ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:36:38 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That's not how natural selection works.
Jeemdee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:27:41 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Okay I'm in, let's do this!
pawnman99 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:01:50 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
And to train them to cooperate with humans, before they kill us all for destroying their environment.
HappycamperNZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:31:04 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Like the dolphins from red alert 2?
ElectricManta ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:19:06 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
FTFY
๐๏ธ MordorsFinest ยท 51 points ยท Posted at 12:40:29 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
They probably can't feel them, I mean we place trackers on turtles, seals, fish, sharks. I mean I saw some video with a gopro strapped to a turtle's back. Hell some whales live for decades or even a century with a harpoon in their back. Just put a small webcam sort of device with nightvision (lights would fuck up the whale's hunting) and it might get torn off or whatever, but there's a chance we could see some epic shit.
Unless the pressure in the deep ocean makes the camera break or something. I'd invest in developing such a technology. We spend too much time trying to explore space with idiotic hopes of terraforming a shithole like Mars when there's a ton of the Earth we've barely explored and need to focus our energy on preserving.
ProfessionalDicker ยท 70 points ยท Posted at 17:32:18 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
We can, and should, explore both.
CRISPR ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 18:11:20 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
How about Antarctica? Surely before colonizing cold planets like Mars should not we consider colonizing Antarctica?
EasyxTiger ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:33:36 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I think the trouble there is Antarctica has nothing on it. Mars has minerals and shit, and even if it didn't it's massive next to Antarctica, so I guess it's more worth it.
QuantumField ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 18:38:25 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck you mean Antarctica has "nothing on it"?
What about those stylish tuxedo birds??
pawnman99 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 21:03:18 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Are you suggesting we mine penguins for minerals?
EasyxTiger ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:41:36 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
wah
VANY11A ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:23:28 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
According to Wikipedia those birds aren't from Antartica. They're actually from Pittsburg.. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh_Penguins
maca77aq ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:39:05 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Mars is also not rapidly melting and dissolving into the ocean.
kralrick ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:29:03 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That's the Arctic. Antarctica has solid land underneath all that ice. So really we're just creating new places to live!
maca77aq ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:30:52 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Well then melt away!
CRISPR ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:35:35 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
We do not have ALL go to the same place. I am sure there are people in this world I prefer not to live on the same planet.
Small selected group of people could colonize Antarctica. I am sure penguin meat tastes like chicken.
EasyxTiger ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:38:22 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Well, that defeats itself. No natural resources to export, not enough room to house very many people. It's nothing you want out of colony, and damn sure not worth what it takes to live there. I think McMurdo is as much colony as we need there.
CRISPR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:42:12 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Historically colonization has been very rarely a movement (as in UNIX "mv" command), it was expansion: some folks went to scalp Indians (or vice versa, I am not picking sides right now), and some folks left to make German genius rule The Old World in three easy installments.
EasyxTiger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:48:26 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
But that's my point, that wouldn't be expansion. If anything that's stagnating a lot of resources by pouring them into an extreme southern ice cube. Expansion there wouldn't do anyone a ton of good for anything but research.
CRISPR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:49:53 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ok, fine, let's go to Mars instead. Just one time can the whole group go where I want?
EasyxTiger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:52:04 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe when you stop suggesting Panda Express and then sighing audibly until we go, we'll start listening.
aerosurgery2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:15 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Uh Antarctica has accessible water, an atmosphere (basically period), not to mention a breathable one, lower winds, less erosion, lack of sandstorms. Whereas mars has mineral trapped minute amounts of water, Mars has 1/150th of Earth's atmosphere, making it near vacuum, what atmosphere exists is 96% CO2, and argon and nitrogen make up 3.8 of the remaining 4%. Has hundred of mile an hour winds, which with such a small atmosphere wouldn't be that big a deal if it wasn't carrying such small dust and sand particles that can erode the shit out of stuff. Much easier to live in Antarctica. And there's a ton of room on Antarctica, as shown here compared to Europe: http://mallemaroking.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Antarctica.png
EDIT: The only upside really of going to Mars is to spread out humanity to increase our changes of survival.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:20:40 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
And it would be easier to leave Antarctica
EasyxTiger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:00:30 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not fucking with hard numbers here, I'm just armchair theorizing. My point was just that if we were going to further colonize something on Earth, there's plenty of room in America, Australia, and probably plenty of other places that don't regularly see subzero temperatures. Plenty of land here, but Mars is literally a whole other world. So if we want to further colonize Earth, pick the easier road. If want something really hard, may as well go big or go home.
aerosurgery2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:07:44 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Gotcha. My vote is Moon first for technology demonstration and maturing. It's close (only a couple days away) and then if shit goes downhill fast, you can save people and bring them back. Gravity on Moon is 1/6 Earth while Mars is 1/3 Earth. Regolith to simulate sand issues, similarly small to nonexistant atmosphere. Then Mars and Venus at same time. I'll let you look up all the pros of colonizing Venus, but it's some pretty cool stuff.
EasyxTiger ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:17:33 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
If memory serves, Venus has those superdeep caves all over it, right? Or, wait, actually that was a Vonnegut novel. Whatever. Anyway, the Moon would be cool. Wonder what humanity would look like after a few generations there.
aerosurgery2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:19:56 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Longer limbed, thin boned probably (see the Expanse sci-fi novel series, they discuss changes from all of the different places humans live, pretty cool). And we couldn't live on the surface of Venus, at least not without significant terraforming. Pressure 90x that of Earth. We could create a floating cloud city though, which would be sweet.
EasyxTiger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:22:12 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Is the atmosphere hella thick there? I kind of imagined it would be bare bones for how close to the Sun it is, but that could just be more reason.
aerosurgery2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:29:08 on July 14, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Runaway greenhouse gas effect. Super thick atmosphere of CO2.
GoSox2525 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:51:45 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Mars has more promise than Antarctica. They're both cold, but mars actually has mineral filled soil, and it may be possible to farm there with some heavy bioengineering. Anarctica is a bunch of ice and stuff.
CRISPR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:55:48 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I am 90% sure that global warming won't melt coal and iron.
GoSox2525 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:36:44 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'm just saying you can't plant anything there.
CRISPR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:41:14 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
At least you have water. What is more needed for vegetation. Mars soil or water?
Smoke_deGrasse_Sagan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:12:22 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
24 h of darkness during certain times of the year wouldnt help antarctic agriculture
Inigo93 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:41:56 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Neither does -125 F nights. Gonna have to have a dome to protect from the elements any way you cut it. Once you're there, artificial lights are pretty trivial.
GoSox2525 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:53:25 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
There is tons of ice on mars to get water from, and water may be able to be found beneath the ground
CRISPR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:00:57 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Now, if one takes this that statement literally you would look like Dr. Evil with your pinky at the corner of your mouth
GoSox2525 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:53:56 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Haha, the poles of mars literally do have tons of ice
Inigo93 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:40:23 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
And you can't plant anything on Mars either. Oh, sure, you could bring your little biodome to Mars, but you could do that to Antarctica too for a fraction of the cost.
GoSox2525 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:52:19 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The long term plan would be to engineer the plants to survive in the Martian soil, I believe.
Dark_Ethereal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:24:42 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Well global warming is going to sort out the "sacredness" of Antarctica for us in good time, once it melts all the ice off and destroys the entire antarctic ecosystem...
owiseone23 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:48:27 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, but with nightvision, just because we can't see infrared, doesn't mean other creatures can't.
CRISPR ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:10:16 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You sound very passionate.
๐๏ธ MordorsFinest ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 18:16:48 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
fuck Mars and fuck space, let's make Earth perfect. The universe is infinite and for all we know aliens could be 2 dimensional or gas-based and impossible for us to even percieve, let alone interact with. It is the unknown, but if we keep looking at the stars we'll just rot. Let's make Earth great and explore the oceans
DasReap ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:23:54 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Why can't we do both? Honestly there's no reason to "fuck space." It's completely different organizations that take care of space and earth.
๐๏ธ MordorsFinest ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:25:00 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I see space exploration as a pointless vanity project when the Earth is so filthy. You have to clean your room before you play outside
DasReap ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:27:16 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
At some point your room is too small to fit all your guests and you should really think about expanding.
๐๏ธ MordorsFinest ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 18:28:32 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
wealthier educated people have fewer children. If more people are wealthy and educated the population levels off.
DasReap ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:05:05 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Well I'm glad you've got that all squared away. Why has no one thought of this solution before?
Yeah man, in a perfect world everyone could be educated and wealth could be distributed fairly and we could all take care of the earth. But that's just so far from reality.
๐๏ธ MordorsFinest ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:06:28 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It's not much farther than sending humans to Mars and them surviving in a bubble long enough to plant enough trees to turn Mars into a lush paradise.
We're basically just shipping some human corpses to a new planet and all we'll accomplish is burning more rocket fuel.
GoSox2525 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:12:25 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
It would be one of the most unforgettable adventures of human mind, and those to go would leave a legacy far greater than Armstrong, or nearly anyone else. It would be a testament to the capability of humanity, the imagination and creativity of humanity, and the information learned will fill textbooks upon textbooks. It will change the world. The rocket fuel burned is one of the last things to consider when looking at the implications of a voyage to Mars. We will know the Cosmos just a little better (just like deep ocean exploration would do).
People may need to go there one day, if setting up a colony is successful. You read this as fiction, but no, there may very well be a day where there is absolutely no one on Earth, yet a population on Mars. It is the only reasonable platform for the extension of the lifetime of the species.
You sound so ignorant. You are telling thousands of astronomers, geologists, engineers, biologists, and more, that their work is pointless and should cease, without even taking any time to understand it.
It basically comes down to this: We have a problem on Earth, and that is that we are damamging the ecosystem which supports us, and we are arguably overpopulated. We need a solution. Some people choose to reach for the stars, and do whatever is possible to continue on, and experience the universe to its fullest. Some people, like you, would rather control the population, not giving two shits about the uneducated or the poor. Which one of those people are really concerned about the well being of humanity? The difference is simple: those who are for mars do not see a limit in our potential. You put strict limits on everyone.
ChristopherT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:39:28 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Good quote.
Do you think one world order would be the start of "cleaning the room?"
๐๏ธ MordorsFinest ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:43:43 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe
GoSox2525 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:48:49 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
Under that reasoning, how is deep ocean exploration not a pointless vanity project?
GoSox2525 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:44:56 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
What a stupid comment. We will rot either way. Earth will never be perfect. No matter what we do, everyone will die in a relatively short time period. So why not make the most of our time here while it lasts? There is so much to know, so many courageous questions to ask, and so many mind boggling answers that lie only in space. We do it because we crave adventure, and we crave to know. Telling someone to fuck space and stay on the ground is such a sad thing to hear.
Had you been living a couple hundred years ago, you would have condemned the voyages to America. "We have plenty of shit here to deal with, fuck the "new world", what's the point in wasting energy going over there"? Don't you know that all the trackers on marine animals that you seem so excited about are only possible because man had a passion to learn about the cosmos, and launched satellites?
We have done way more than rot by looking at the stars, and we would be very behind if we never had. The fact that you even said that is an insult to hundreds of thousands of humans who have collectively worked on the study of the sky, which we have gotten so much out of. You have in one sentence told all of them that they have wasted their time, have fucked up priorities, and should be doing something else. Nobody who is passionate about space exploration is saying "fuck the oceans".
read_write ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:55:23 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
In what ways does exploring the deep ocean benefit us? With the whole global warming going on we are living on borrowed time. What good is exploring the ocean if we will all be dead on this planet in the end?
๐๏ธ MordorsFinest ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:56:37 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
if we invest the resources this planet wont be dead and will continue to thrive.
we dont know what's in the oceans, but it might be interesting to find out. I think building underwater cities could be good practice for space.
Doubtingly ยท 81 points ยท Posted at 16:49:57 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
We have to leave earth if we want to survive as a species. It's stupid to have all the eggs in one basket. Exploring the oceans is a totally different, but still interesting endeavor, than reaching out into space.
hi_im_new_here01 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:19:16 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno I'm kinda hoping for us to build an underwater society...long as we don't call it "Rapture" everything ought to be okay. It would definitely be way cool to look at.
buckshot307 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:18:53 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure earth still has a couple billion years though.
At the least a few million barring we don't destroy it ourselves.
fullforce098 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:31:36 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
So we'll just put it off like a college student. Pop some adderall, stay up all night before the big extinction event the next day, develop that interplanetary travel, survival, and colonization technology in a grind, and mass produce it all before first class in the morning.
SQUID_FUCKER ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:18:12 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That seems to be a big 'if' these days.
SuperCashBrother ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:36 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Any lights would likely interfere with the whale's ability to hunt and socialize.
Phoenix_2015 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:16:57 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Night vision still needs light for amplification. Where is the source of light going to come from?
Turtwig476 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:18:19 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
When you get deeper into the earth, the pressure is higher, so it would need major pressure resistance.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:22:06 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Meh, we explore space and the ocean to find cool shit. There's not a huge economic incentive to do so, or any obvious correlation with climate change solutions.
Also terraforming is hundreds, if not thousands of years away.
JabberJaahs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:21:29 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
"... idiotic hopes of terraforming a shithole like Mars..."
Fuck you Earthling, leave my planet alone, we don't want your stinking trees.
3538492638483 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 17:14:06 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Inferred lights duuur
30mag ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:04:36 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe you're getting down voted for being rude, but I agree.
lecherous_hump ยท 319 points ยท Posted at 17:13:00 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Sperm whale here. Try it, motherfucker.
[deleted] ยท 84 points ยท Posted at 18:17:22 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
tries
HakenkreuzHarry ยท 102 points ยท Posted at 18:18:43 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
dies
[deleted] ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 19:20:29 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
guys
Chrisgomez182 ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 19:28:23 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
Fries
Edit: fuck your italics
Violator_of_Animals ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 19:40:29 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Surprise
SureAviator ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 20:10:52 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
All rise.
ZebraBurger ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:05:19 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ruth dies
techdawg667 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:34:01 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
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euphguy812 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:56:01 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
My eyes!
Mugut ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:45:00 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
No no no no no you don't dare go back to italics
LOLJ-dent ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:50:21 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
True lies
AksK17 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:39:11 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
*flies
[deleted] ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 19:40:20 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
sighs
AdventurePee ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:41:59 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
cries
connect_online ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:45:54 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Lies!!
Tomthink ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:48:05 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Pie
ryanstarbucks ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:10:37 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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thighs
Core_i9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:36:41 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
God dammit, Tomthink!
Kc125wave ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:42:30 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Pies
drunkenkyle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:17:07 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Elephant.
wergerfebt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:15:06 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Goddammit Kyle you fuck everything up
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:12:58 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Well this has been fun.
wergerfebt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:51:34 on July 21, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you!
HiMyNameIsBoard ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:39:33 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Eyes
mikepat92 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:14:26 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Lies
xDrSchnugglesx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:29:33 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ayy Macarena
ymmurri227 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:33:06 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Not bold italics. You lose.
MediocreMatt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:44:09 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Where's the god damn italics?
InsertDemiGod ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:48:06 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Potato!
Edit: Seems wrong..
schmandy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:45:48 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Lies
IllegalMexican6 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:02:58 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Five
Connguy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:17:15 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You'll need an 11 or higher.
Dirtydeedsinc ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 20:06:16 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
For some reason this is where my mind went on this one. "We now go live to our roving reporter Fudgie the Whale with the deep ocean report". "I fought a squid!". "Thanks Fudgie".
benchley ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:59:49 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Fudgie is voiced by Tracy Jordan/Morgan.
_BindersFullOfWomen_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:10:44 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Can we get you anything Fudgie?
xxkoloblicinxx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:52:48 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I heard this on Ollie Williams voice
Dirtydeedsinc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:04:35 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That's the way the voices in my head said it too.
xxkoloblicinxx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:34:08 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Hey I got one of those things... You know a headache with pictures
greenback44 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 17:23:25 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Why don't whales get the bends?
Tehbeefer ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 17:55:36 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's the same reason breath-hold divers don't. They're not continually breathing nitrogen, so not enough N2 dissolves at depth for it to be a problem when the pressure is relieved.
GrinningPariah ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:26:29 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Why don't divers use tanks of air with the nitrogen removed, then?
a_Light_Umbrella ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 21:36:33 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Because breathable air is 78% nitrogen.
brutinator ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:46:25 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't pure oxygen still breathable though? Or is oxygen poisoning a thing?
Tehbeefer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:58:54 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
Both. As an analogy, pure ethanol is edible, but alcohol poisoning is definitely a thing.
brutinator ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:44:09 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
What does oxygen poisoning do?
Tehbeefer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:14:41 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This link, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxygen_toxicity, says that it depends on the conditions (pressure mostly) under which intoxication occurs. For divers, it apparently hits the central nervous system first, causing twitching, tunnel vision, ringing in their ears, and sometimes-sudden seizures followed by unconsciousness. So to avoid this, if I understand this correctly, divers diving really deep (40m/130ft+) will use a blend with a lower volume-percent content of oxygen than normal air (which is 21% O2). I assume under those circumstances divers might not use this low-oxygen blend in shallow water and just switch to it once at depth.
brutinator ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:27:07 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting, interesting. Where I live, there's oxygen bars everywhere, so I always assumed that pure oxygen was completely harmless, even though I'm sure those bars are safe. Always nice to learn something new!
It seems that its primarily focused on oxygen intake at high pressures. It mentions that it's dangerous for babies, but that it's almost totally safe in low pressure areas. How low pressure would it have to be for a grown adult to be totally fine breathing it for, say, 24 hours?
Tehbeefer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:19:58 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
No idea. But, this part seems relevant:
Apparently the longest spacewalk was almost 9 hours long, and if the Apollo capsules used low-pressure O2 normally, well, those missions were multiple days long; it took Apollo 11 three days just to get to the Moon. This indicates (at least before the fire that killed the three Apollo 1 astronauts) that cruising pressure was pure O2 at 5 psi (34.5 kPa).
I2eapel ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:39:48 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
They do. Scuba tanks marked Nitrox have higher oxygen and lower nitrogen to improve dive times (you can't stay down very long at certain depths with regular air) and increase maximum depth.
Kitsyfluff ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:35:39 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Oxygen becomes increasingly more toxic to humans the deeper you go, and even here on the surface, pure oxygen is not good for you.
We need both oxygen and nitrogen and a bunch if other stuff to breathe
Tehbeefer ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:39:42 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
They do! However, pure oxygen is also kinda toxic at higher pressures (not to mention dangerous), so if they're going deeper than shallow water, they blend helium in to create what is known in the field as Trimix. Yes, their voice get squeakier when breathing it.
squattyroo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:54:00 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Oxygen Poisoning
Unencrypted_Thoughts ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:36:47 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The bends, also known as decompression sickness, occurs from breathing in compressed air for extended periods of time, like scuba divers.
When whales dive, they don't take a large breath and hold it in and dive, they exhale all the air then dive.
Whales have special lungs that are very efficient at absorbing oxygen and storing it in enlarged vessels, like an oxygen tank. Whale lungs absorb around 90% of the oxygen they inhale compared to us, who only absorb around 15%.
Some species can only hold their breath for only a few minutes before resurfacing for air while other whales can hold their breath for up to 90 minutes or more.
luger718 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:47:05 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
So they can exhale and then hold their breaths for up to 90 minutes?! Shit.
zombieattackfox ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:58:45 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This is a really good question. Probably warrants an ELI5.
Flashpoint_Rowsdower ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:29:36 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You only get the bends when you have a supply of air that you're breathing underwater.
Wtb_jetpack ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:31:32 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
When you submerge an oxygen tank, all of the contents of that tank are compressed. Think of pulling a balloon under water. As the water pressure around the balloon increases, the balloon shrinks.
An oxygen tank does the same thing. Only these tanks aren't pure oxygen, there are other gasses as well - nitrogen being one of them.
So as you increase in depth, each breath is drawing more of those other gasses because they are so compressed. And therefore, to prevent poisoning, your body needs time to bleed them off. So you need to stop at lower pressures and get rid of them through respiration.
Whales don't have that problem because they are always breathing in at the same atmospheric pressure.
That's how I understand it atleast.
Edit: Downvoted? Really?
novaKnine ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:11:11 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The next question I have is how the whales are able to breath in at the same atmospheric pressure. The air supply they take with them should still be subject to the compression you were talking about, no?
Wtb_jetpack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:23:04 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
They breathe at the surface. Where the air is all under 1 atmosphere of compression.
They fill their lungs and then submerge.
This is very different with pre-compressed air. A single breath from a tank under many more atmospheres will give you much more oxygen (because it is compressed), but with that oxygen also comes much more 'contaminant' gasses - like nitrogen.
DingeR340 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:35:42 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
At great enough (partial) pressure even oxygen will become toxic
zombieattackfox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:42:12 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you!
TohkYuBong ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:21 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
No....no it doesnt.
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=why+don%27t+whales+get+the+bends
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 17:28:21 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
no homo
k3g ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 12:40:42 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Would the cameras even survive such depths? And would the camera still be attached after the battle?
๐๏ธ MordorsFinest ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 12:41:58 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder if it's prohibitively expensive to find out. My guess is the lens would crack, but we're humans we can probably put something together like a casing for it that survives crazy pressure. If we can send probes to the outer regions of the solar system we can strap a webcam to a whale's back
mustnotthrowaway ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:29:48 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I don't see why it would be prohibitively expensive to stick a camera in a high pressure chamber to see if it still functions. Even sending it to the bottom of the ocean and back wouldn't be impossibly expensive.
k3g ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 12:45:33 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Even if those things aren't a problem, and lets pretend that night vision (pitch black vision) is all accounted for. What would we expect to see? The only way to see a full battle would be a 3rd person view of the whole whale, because it isn't head to head battle but merely a grapple and bite. At most, we'll be able to see tentacles flinging around.
cooldeadpunk ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 13:38:57 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
HOW IS THIS NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR YOU
Eh its just a giant squid fighting a whale. The graphics aren't very good. I don't even think this is in 1080p. Rubbish
derick1908 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:21:24 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Aim high as you can I guess.
raunchyfartbomb ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:16:29 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The tentacles had. Dark and mysterious past
๐๏ธ MordorsFinest ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 12:48:36 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You could implant it on the whale's nose, but you'd probably see more than giant squid fights. We dont know much about their life in the deepest parts of the ocean. It's the same with Manta Rays, people only observe them during part of the day, for the rest of it they go to the deep. Lots of sea creatures migrate to the upper zones and then down to the blackness.
For all we know there are crazy monsters down there that never leave the deep, or mountains, forests, shipwrecks. It'd be cool to see what a whale sees for a year. Maybe sea creatures we already know do weird shit down there at night or during the day. Who knows?
k3g ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:51:39 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It's a good idea no doubt, even if it has nothing to do with the whales themselves. It'll be interesting to widen our understanding of the deep sea, as we know more about space than the ocean depths.
Whether or not it's plausible is the question.
๐๏ธ MordorsFinest ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:52:40 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
maybe if the post is upvoted enough some armchair scientist will break down why its not possible. Better yet maybe a scientist will pitch this idea to their boss and it'll happen.
NoBonesLikeJelly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:16:46 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The Solution: A suction cup selfie stick!!!!
QuasarSandwich ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:32:31 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Please do not encourage the spread of the selfie stick. It is a diabolical device and must be eradicated, along with its users.
NoBonesLikeJelly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:37:28 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed, but I love the money I make selling them on eBay
QuasarSandwich ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:27:50 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I am sure certain Nazis loved the gold they got from their victims' teeth - an act on a par morally with your own.
NoBonesLikeJelly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:37:29 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, but mine does not involve the slaughter of often innocent lives.
QuasarSandwich ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:05:42 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
No. It involves the corruption thereo-
Fuck it, I can't be bothered to continue my nonsensical hyperbole. But you're still Satan.
midwestcreative ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:10:40 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
whale selfie stick would solve that
SQUID_FUCKER ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:24:37 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Get a wide-angle lens and attach it a far back on the whale as you possibly can, maybe even trail it with some sort of harness or device so you can get even further back and see the whole thing.
fancyhatman18 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:09:17 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Really strong lens, or allow water on both sides of the lens. Or have a box that protects the lens.
Predatormagnet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:11:36 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Put a goPro in a pyrex sphere. Pyrex gets harder the more pressure its under.
EasyxTiger ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:34:55 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Just call me Pyrex.
Vangaurds ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:19:53 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.spaceanswers.com/space-exploration/the-probe-that-survived-for-78-minutes-inside-jupiter/
Not cameras per se, but the engineering know-how exists.
puge12 ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 17:46:45 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
As others have pointed out its so dark down there that a camera wouldn't be able to make out much and attaching lights would likely interfere with their natural hunting behaviour, it could alert squid to their presence. When I was in Dominica I met with Shane Gero from The Dominica Sperm Whale Project and he and his team were tagging groups of whales with acoustic sensors to record their social calls while diving. The Sperm Whales in Dominica are unique in that they stay in the area (around Dominica and Martinique) so they are easier to track and study long term. Shane and his team would listen in the morning with a hydrophone to hear the whales calls and find out what direction they were in. They'd try to get as close as possible to where the whales were going to surface then attempt to put on the acoustic sensor with a really long pole. The sensor had a suction cup that kept it on. It was really hard to time it right, but they have managed to do it and find out a lot of interesting things about Sperm Whale behaviour. If you're interested I suggest checking out their website thespermwhaleproject.org
hokie_high ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:48:20 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
What if they used something like an infrared or thermal camera, the whale wouldn't be able to see anything and unless its prey can detect those wavelengths it wouldn't affect anything.
RecklessOinker ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:07:08 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
What about infrared light? Not sure what wavelengths of light our ocean buddies can see, but a lot of times in manufacturing plants they use infrared lights. Humans can't see infrared, but most cameras can. This way they can light up the part without bothering the workers.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:20:35 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Or just use sonar that piggybacks off of the whales sonar.
RecklessOinker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:41:42 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Double sonar!! That would be pretty cool if you could get that to work. Although I think what we're ultimately getting at here is that we need to mount lasers to all sea going creatures.
jkohl ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:50:42 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I assume there's some kind of fight club going on down there? Or is it more like a gang war?
akettleofdrunkfrogs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:53:10 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
They eatin' everybody down there.
Dremora_Lord ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:54:49 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
At first all I read was
Sickened but curious...
dekket ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:02:20 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Oh good, I wasn't the only one...
gonwi42 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:54:44 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
it has been tried. the whale asked another whale to help get the camera off. they succeded.
scobot ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:58:02 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
A) Nonstandard camera strap size; would need to be special-ordered. B) Whales fighting squid are too busy to take selfies. C) Marine biologists still not finished cleaning up the mess from their last Craigslist ad for Sperm Whale Volunteers. D) Dude, "Sperm Whale" is not the preferred term. "Spermaceti-Americans", please.
tomislava ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 18:57:14 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
because your mom wont sign the form
๐๏ธ MordorsFinest ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 18:57:57 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
hehehe
kjhwkejhkhdsfkjhsdkf ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:44:36 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
They have a really powerful union.
etommy13 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 00:52:15 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
Get me a 6 pack of beer, swim fins, a snorkle, a GoPro, super glue, and OP's mom's belt....I got this.
hemansteve ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 12:40:31 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You have to catch one first ... and not hack it up to harvest spermaceti.
๐๏ธ MordorsFinest ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 12:41:38 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Catching them doesn't seem to be so hard, we just need to beat the Japanese or Icelanders to one.
zxDanKwan ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:11:40 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Is that how they make spermicide, or rice a roni?
Delak_ ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:34:54 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Both! Rice-a-Roni is a substitute for spermicide, and vice versa.
zxDanKwan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:51:00 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'll go try with my girlfriend right now!
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:21:10 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Because they find shit like this.
That is real footage of a real animal that actually exists.
rubberchickenlips ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:12:18 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Why stop at cameras? How about whales with frickin' laser beams attached to their heads!
FOR_PRUSSIA ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:24:01 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Have you even read Moby Dick? Why don't you go try to catch one of those things and stick a camera on it.
geekmuseNU ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:49:03 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
They tried this actually, the depth pressure crushed the cameras
YouveBeenMillered ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:14:35 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Check with t the Sperm whale's PR team. I imagine the reins are pretty tight after the first PR guy came up with the name "Sperm".
Persomatey ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:07:35 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
GoPro that shit and watch that fight in slowmo
ninjajpbob ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:25:21 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Nice try, Sperm Whale PR Team.
PiggehPerson ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:47:21 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That would be a long strap.
coolgiraffe ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:31:36 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I believe the pressure from the water would destroy the camera. I'm just speculating though.
theblaggard ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:23:24 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It's because sperm whales are narcissistic assholes who'd spend the whole time taking selfies and trying to get a vine of a penguin falling off an ice floe.
PedroTeles ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:43:34 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
When I read the first sentence my immediate thought was "this guys from /r/shittyaskscience are getting more creative these days..."
snarkhunter ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:45:23 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Because sperm whales are giant and don't take kindly to a bunch of nerdy apes strapping shit to them.
An_Unladen_Swallow ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:56:58 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Cause... http://www.nature.com/news/2005/050926/full/news050926-7.html
craigstone_ ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:27:33 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The Jarvis Circle strapped a camera to a sperm whale in 2003. But, the sperm whale was rejected by other sperm whales after accusations it was a reporter. The sperm whale left the sea and started working for The Guardian in the UK...but sadly died 15 minutes into its first day on the job. Breathing issues. And it was shot. Twice. In the face.
mashleys ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:05:04 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to try a thermal camera on the sperm whale, in combination with a night vision camera, or a camera with a light... because while the thermal camera would be great at telling scientist if they are looking at something, the problem is that picking up fish and plants would be harder, because fish are cold blooded, and well plants... And they would be lacking the ability to identify species well because it picks up radiation.
scandalousmambo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:54:33 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Because the pressure at those depths can crush a nuclear submarine.
The_camperdave ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:06:11 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
True. And a camera filled with a transparent oil can resist those pressures.
MidEastBeast ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:55:16 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Modern day Moby Dick?
ledzepretrauqon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:58:10 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
But like, it'd be waaaay too easy for the whale to bump into something and smash the camera in, and then there goes your research. It'd have to be pretty indestructible if you expect to get it back.
SublimeWaffleStomp ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:14:57 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe its really hard or some shit. Idk why they can't do the same as they do to sharks. Or maybe they are a rare Pokรฉmon that only a master Pokรฉmon collected can capture in there pokeball
MooingAssassin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:53:06 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ya scientists! WTF???
RodgerTheBong ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:55:55 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ok, if anybody ever plans on doing this please inform me because that sounds cool as shit.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:37:04 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
pressure
HumfreeBugart ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:44:39 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Subsea cameras are rated to the depths and pressure the whales will go to. The problem would be that a light would also be needed and even then the range of the camera vision would only be a few metres. You could improve that with a SIT low light camera which needs less light and improves the range slightly. Biggest problem I see is having to harpoon the whale to fit all this equipment.
david_yarz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:54:29 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Pressures too great at depths like that. The camera would just crush from it
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:05:06 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Any whale for that matter. All they use are stupid beacons.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:42:48 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
i vaguely remember seeing a youtube video for a homemade sperm whale gopro mount which i could find if any of you happen to own a sperm whale. and a gopro
chabone ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:06:12 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Because it would take a big fucking strap.
Bon_Gloader ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:13:44 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Here is a video of a Sperm Whale at 1,962 feet deep
valleyblog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:22:47 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
What a great video; the visual clarity and especially the exuberant geeking out of the researchers.
Floppy_Trombone ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:31:00 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
They have tried this, but the whales knock into each other as they descend for a reason i can't remember, and it usually knocks the camera off them.
TransposableElements ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:40:21 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_PuO7gzfqI
Melobyrro ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:33:14 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
How'd you power it? Would there be enough light for recordings?
valleyblog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:15:07 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
Infra red camera and as previously mentioned some sort of propeller driven charging mechanism that spins with the passing water.
Melobyrro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:59 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Got it...
michyum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:20:19 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
solar power and cocaine my friend
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:39:00 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That's why they are fighting the squids... the assholes won't quit stealing their cameras!
WalterWhiteRabbit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:13:11 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
What are you talking about? I strap a camera to your mom every weekend...
ShadowInMind ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:15:39 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'm an expert on this subject, due to the fact these depths will crush the whale. The camera would just float to the bottom.
omguraclown ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:10:14 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Cause no photons.
sirius4778 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:06:23 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Obviously marine biologists don't take showers.
esoterictree ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:16:25 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
...because congressional funding for "We're trying to videotape the place where the sperm goes" keeps getting canceled?
Kelbor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:58:51 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Someone Get Elon Musk on it already.
skrzypiec ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:08:37 on August 8, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
would give you gold but broke :S
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:45:48 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Of all the things I can think of as a shitty job, getting in the water and being the fucker who straps cameras to whales big enough to eat me is so close to #1 that I can't imagine anything worse, right meow.
Fuck that.
That's probably hwhy.
puge12 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:12:14 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Actually Sperm Whales only eat squid, they're very timid and more afraid of us than we are of them. You do have to be careful of their tail smashing you if you get too close and they get scared, but most likely they'll just swim away if they don't want you near them. I managed to get in the water and swim with several different sperm whales and it was the one of the most amazing experiences of my life.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:28:53 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Congratulations on having a great experience!
bigM15TER ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:20:00 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure if this is sarcasm
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:08:53 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Not at all. Sounds like a fun time.
defeatedbird ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:15:56 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
One does not simply strap a camera onto Moby.
Postboned ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:06:43 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Heh.. sperm whale.
superprez ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:19:59 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This is the response to the very same question asked in /r/ELI5 a year ago
๐๏ธ MordorsFinest ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:26:54 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
it's been linked several times in the thread. I think it's worth trying again
superprez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:26:19 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Weird, when I posted that link no-one else had. On the app I use to browse reddit I was about the 3rd or 4th comment
xargon666 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:39:51 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
they can probably dive deep enough to implode most of the equipment right? like in that movie? I think it was called "The Bus That Couldn't Slow Down"
NimblyJimblyNS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:25:29 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'm no biologist but I would think if you strapped something to a sperm whale, it would get whaley mad.
coloradofit24 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:16:35 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Cause a camera can't handle those depths parts become crushed and broken due to the pressure that water puts on things
outermarker2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:16:56 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
What about a bright IR light and camera? I doubt the whales/squid can see IR but I would work with the camera.
MrMilitaria ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:31:08 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ladies and gents, I give you the future of the international zoological research institute, /u/MordorsFinest
ProfWhite ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:31:45 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe they have and they discovered deep sea aliens, so they're hiding the evidence from us.
WarmNights ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:37:00 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
critter cam homie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_PuO7gzfqI
redbirdrising ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:40:43 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This seems like an ELI5 post
DeadMage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:46:56 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Camera has to withstand that kind of pressure.
Also there needs to be a light source.
beammeupwelshy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:52:59 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I saw a doco where they did this. One of the whales knocked the camera off the other whale. Must have been bothering them.
magaras ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:57:02 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
How big would that head strap have to be.
Mrgreen428 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:58:13 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Because atmospheric pressure I assume
waFFLEz_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:01:11 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Scientists have tried, but it's harder than it looks because the camera first of all have to get attached to the whale (which is hard because it's hard to get close to the whale) and then the camera has to be able to handle the high pressure while diving
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:05:28 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe sperm whales don't like strap ons.
F0RGMASTER ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:09:55 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The pressure would crush the camera
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:09:57 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
No one wants to waste money on that.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:10:25 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Because the camera would break from the water pressure I presume
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:13:35 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Theres a LOT of sperm whales. I guess you could strap a camera and a light to them....
DrColdReality ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:22:07 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Because once it goes deeper than ~200 meters or so, there's almost no light. And that's if the camera could take the depth.
Researchers have attached various recording devices such as depth gauges to various diving marine animals, like whales and seals. But the more depth the instrument can take, the bigger and heavier it is, and the harder it is to attach it to the animal. For whales, researcher typically just spike it in or use a special type of organic glue.
prometheus345 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:23:35 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
They do! However not with cameras, since after about 30 meters you wouldn't see a thing (as others mentioned). Whales have been tagged and acoustically monitored for a few days.
http://www.creem.st-and.ac.uk/mocha/open-meetings/brsworkshopsmmlam
This experiment tries to determine how whales react on sonar transmissions. They tag a whale (or other marine mammal), and do controlled exposure experiments to investigate if whales change their behaviour when a sonar is active. Using the tag, which is attached to the whale, they monitor position, depth, acceleration ans received sound as heard by the whale.
urmyheartBeatStopR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:35:07 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
Cause the technology we have can't handle those pressure.
Those camera will be crush into a tiny pebble.
The closest thing I've seen was a documentary where they put a suction cup camera on them and when it hit a certain depth it floats up to the surface.
So this is basically engineering, we did the most closest thing we can within the budget and our current tech.
The depth where those awesome giant squid fights are happening are in depth where our technology can't handle those pressure.
Although James Camera had a submarine that went down very deep in one of those deepest trench. Unfortunately, I'm not sure what's preventing them to use that technology with whales and camera (perhaps apples and oranges tech).
I also wouldn't go alone down that depth with that sub and a camera. I do not want to be near any giant squid in a submarine that's struggling to handle pressure in those depth while dealing with squid.
bihfutball ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:43:03 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This is genius. Lets make it happen!
Mlunde92 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:44:12 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
please let it be one!
RocketRiley ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:48:02 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
strap a low-light camera on them.
dhottawa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:04:08 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Who cares... with BP and climate change, in 10 years there will be nothing to be afraid of in the ocean.... except jellyfish.
stalcode ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:28:43 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
because the camera would be crushed by the pressure of the ocean.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:29:09 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
r/askscience
FoolishChemist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:58:10 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Relevant Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
Blauruman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:12:17 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Because the depths at which these epic battles take place are so low there is barely any light so footage would be unusable, also the pressure down there would absolutely destroy a camera
1wsx10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:18:50 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
if they deal with the pressure, thy can use an infra red light to see without disturbing the wild life (hopefully)
Blauruman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:22:00 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I can honestly say I'm not expert on the subject, and I don't really know if infra red light cameras would actually work down there, I may be making a stupid mistake here, but doesn't red also dissapear from the spectrum if you go down deep enough? or does that not effect infra red at all?
70m4h4wk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:28:37 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
infrared has less to do with red and more to do with the waves longer than red, that being said, I dunno what happens to it under water...
Blauruman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:30:26 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I guess we'll just leave the science to the science guys then.
1wsx10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:07:15 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
by "use infra red light" i mean they have an infra red light on their vehicle, like a torch. you dont need a special camera to see infra red light btw
the reason i suggested it is because most land mammals can not see infra red light - so maybe most aquatic creatures can not see it either? thing is it entirely depends on the environment they evolved to deal with. eg. the mantis shrimp can see a wide range of colours but most of the marine world is largely undiscovered - especially in the deepest parts so we never know what we could be disturbing if we shine any kind of light down there really.
Blauruman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:23:21 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
yeah you have a point there, I know most of the deep sea life has a way to attract prey, mainly lights right? like the angler fish? however there are things that eat an angler fish and find it based on its light, So maybe use the same source of light to produce the same effect? that way were sure to find something, and we'll get to see it from the inside! (just to make sure, this is a joke, I don't seriously believe we could get a live feed from so far away from a camera submerged under a good 5-6 kilometers of salt water)
jroddie4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:14:31 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I think it would be pretty hard to get a whale to sit still enough to let that happen.
Robinwolf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:55:18 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
They have. Several years ago.
goemon45 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:15:59 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
If we can do it with a comet we can with sperm whales
blankensh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:17:50 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Lol wanting to hear this song is the only thing i got outta this article
The_One_Who_Crafts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:25:18 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
What? Fighting giant squids?
ADSRelease ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:31:52 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
it gets crushed
wecannotsee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:02:26 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Do you know how strong a Sperm Whale is?
Ragadash7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:03:01 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
There is very little light down there
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:03:42 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Kind of like when Napoleon Dynamite fought wolverines in Alaska with his uncle.
NewAccount4Friday ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:04:14 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The porn music was an interesting touch. Someone at National Geographic has a sense of humor.
bsiviglia9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:14:33 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Just make the camera system run on the kinetic energy of the water that passes by the whale, and you've got a reliable power source.
reubenco ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:21:14 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Read Moby-Dick, you'll see sperm whales aren't the easiest animals to deal with.
colddonkey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:32:44 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The velcro releases at 165 meter depth.
Soperos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:44:21 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Wouldn't the cameras get crushed from the pressure?
Meltypants ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:02:04 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
No light at those depths
valleyblog ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:09:16 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
IR maybe?
datguyariel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:43 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
this should be an ELI5
groovehk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:21:34 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
How about dropping a swarm of go pro's into the sea? For sure there would be technical challenges around footage recovery etc but it might work?
lanadelraycharles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:11:42 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Someone has been enjoying shark week.
borakka ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:23:09 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Indeed I did. Carry on
eloy0612 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:09:32 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You're asking alot.
TheRecherche ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:26:33 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
We don't need to do that, we have anime.
Pyromaniac34 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:34:29 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This post has followed me from the front page back to page 5, so have my upvote, and please, do this!
Im_a_good_gay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:59:11 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I watched a documentary about this just a few days ago (Vetenskapens Vรคrld, ~Swedish for World of Science. The particular experiment with the Sperm Whale camera wasn't successful, two sperm whales bumped into each other, knocking the camera off their body.
Anticlimactic, but cool.
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:36:20 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Haha :)
bacontf2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:00:46 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
because the pressure is so high it would destroy the camera
ilovethesausage_dogs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:55:26 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I hope that sperm whales really do fight with giant squids. I hope one day someone will film it for my entertainment....
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:12:17 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Sperm whales grow their own selfie sticks.
idislikechairs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:44:05 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think it could withstand that sort of pressure. How would you recover the data?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:58:08 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
They already strap cameras to sea creatures that go pretty deep and they have timed release mechanisms and the cameras float back up and have GPS trackers on them. The problems I've seen so far are getting a good angle, night vision, and making sure it stays strapped to the animals. I think it can be done.
idislikechairs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:15:53 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That sounds great. Where can I see some footage?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:33:58 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I was saw it a few times during shark week. The one I remember specifically was the bride of jaws but they didn't go as deep. They also strapped one on a Mako shark and it went way deeper, but I don't remember the name of the show that had that and the footage really wasn't great because of the bad angle/darkness.
idislikechairs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:31:23 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Good old shark week. Thanks for that. Ill look it up.
๐๏ธ MordorsFinest ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:45:09 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
If we can send probes into space we can probably send probes into the ocean no? Is oceanic pressure greater than pressure in space?
jsveiga ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 12:54:44 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Much more; in space you have close to zero atmospheres (atm), a difference of -1 atm from our standard environment. In the ocean we have about 1 atm more for each 10 meters of depth, so 30 m is about 4 atm, a difference of +3 in relation to sea level.
๐๏ธ MordorsFinest ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:00:43 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
i dont know these units but i think i get it
ReCursing ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:54:02 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Atmospheres - how much pressure the atmostphere exerts on you. The weight of the air above your head.
ralusek ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:07:44 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Basically in space there is almost NO pressure. It is a vacuum, meaning that it is virtually devoid of all matter. The ocean is the opposite, as water has a higher density than air and the density increases significantly as you go deeper.
TL;DR:
Space: no pressure
Ocean: high pressure
Tehbeefer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:05:33 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
1 atm is approximately 15 pounds per square inch or 100 kiloPascals (1 kilopascal = 1000 newtons per square meter), so in space there's only 1 atmosphere difference in pressure compared to at 150 meters deep (~500 feet), where the pressure would be about an extra 15 atmosphere's worth of pressure, i.e. an extra 225psi / 1550kPa. Sperm whales apparently dive up to 7,382 ft (2,250 meters), which would be 228,000kPa / 3300psi.
ValeK_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:58:36 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yea. It's a he'll of a lot more pressure seen as space is a vacuum. (Huge pressure compared to huge negative pressure.) The tech would need to be completely different structure wise
๐๏ธ MordorsFinest ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:00:05 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
very good point
idislikechairs ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:54:04 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Can't find anything yet. They could even use this method to find where great white sharks give birth. They can use a tracker but a lot of information is left out.
๐๏ธ MordorsFinest ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:02:13 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
all a tracker can do is tell you where it goes. When we sent the Mars rover or all those other probes they have cameras, listening devices, sediment analysis.
You'd think they'd have little drone submarines by now to do this sort of research, though nowadays naval warfare is kind of obsolete so theres no reason to invest in it.
TroAhWei ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:37:54 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Did you just say naval warfare is obsolete?
๐๏ธ MordorsFinest ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:38:51 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely, when was the last time two battleships or subs fought since WW2 besides possibly the Falklands war?
Tehbeefer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:59:53 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Operation Praying Mantis, for one. Battleships are obsolete, USS Iowa was retired in 1990. Submarines are extremely important because of espionage and nuclear missiles.
๐๏ธ MordorsFinest ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:02:11 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
holy shit a whole naval battle between the US and Iran...Iranian navy got reckt worse than I did in this thread
Tehbeefer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:19:20 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, the whole operation was diplomacy. With explosives.
A few months later, we accidentally shot down an airliner of theirs. Not that trying to end the Iran-Iraq war wasn't a good thing, but it sure seems like we goofed in the process. Sorry, Iran.
๐๏ธ MordorsFinest ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:35 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
says here its one of 5 naval engagements the US has been in since WWII
TroAhWei ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:08:42 on July 14, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Okay. You do realize that a country with regional power aims at a minimum is building a blue-water navy, complete with fully functional aircraft carriers, right? Hint: those are most certainly naval. We also haven't done an opposed amphibious landing since Korea - why don't we do away with marines while we're at it? Sorry if I'm coming across as a snarky dick, but the idea of a military is to be ready for war. The fact we haven't used our navy in actual combat is a success, not a failure.
idislikechairs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:12:44 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
True. Sending radio waves underwater is a lot harder. You have to use a lower frequency. I guess at those depths you would lose the signal.
wwwhistler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:47:50 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
a sensor that would tell when a whale breaches and a data burst to a receiver should do it. but it would need a pretty good battery to last a year.
idislikechairs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:59:42 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Unless you had some hydro powered battery but it would probably be too big and make the whale look like a steam punk cartoon. Wouldn't want to be the guy who had to edit a year's worth of footage either.
Tehbeefer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:24:22 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I think oil companies are interested in this too. I'm a little surprised we don't have them already, but it's probably because of comm issues. VLF radio might put allow you to give instructions to the probe, but it wouldn't be able to talk back, best option might be a tethered buoy following along on the surface. Power might also be a problem, but that might be solvable with an RTG.
Adonous ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:45:43 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yes there is a difference. Space is a vaccum, there is no external pressure, where as the depths youd expect a sper whale to go to are several times the atmospheric pressure felt on the surface.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:42:57 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds easy enough! I'll get right on it!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:45:08 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I don't see you volunteering to do it.
AldurinIronfist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:56:54 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
There has to be a joke about OP's mom somewhere in this post. If only I could find it...
๐๏ธ MordorsFinest ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:11:39 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Someone had a great one when i asked about whale orgies
noneofthefoxes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:06:34 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Hm... I'm not sure how they would react to the light attached to their head, since no small camera can handle such low amount of light.
mjomark ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:33:25 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
They have. Actually saw a documentary about this today.
sam-man ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:58:33 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Whats it called chap ?
mjomark ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:11:26 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.wildscreenfestival.org/films/legends-of-the-deep-the-giant-squid.aspx
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:39:23 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
They dive to around 2000m beneath the surface, a tiny camera wouldn't survive the crushing weight of water above. You'd need to put it inside a big and well armored box (which would be heavy) to survive that depth, which would obstruct the whale's swim.
Most of the footage we have of sperm whale's in the deep comes either from research submarines or cameras that were strapped to whales but at a shallower distance than where they can actually dive.
GimmeCRACK ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 17:38:37 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
For how many humans have died for medical science. Would I be wrong in just drilling the cameras into the whale? Anchor em into their bones so they cant break off or move. We could make a terminator whale basically, tons of lights, cameras, just doss em up , start drilling in, and let em free. He will be in pain for a fe weeks I assume, but its for science. We wont even have to redrill, we can attach new mounts/cameras/gps trackers to the pre drilled rods inserted all over em. God science excites me
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:17:38 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Affirmative.
Though maybe a subdermal implant that then shoots spikes out once embedded to anchor it, assuming the skin is tough and that would actually hold, might be acceptable. To a whale I guess that'd be like getting a flu shot. Then the spikes can retract on a timed release mechanism and then wait for the implant to work its way out. Unless the whale grows some sort of callous or scar around it that still holds it in... o_o
ermac12 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:14:55 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
ITT: People who think they are experts on marine biology because they have a go-pro.
Chippy55 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:25:31 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Where would you strap it, around its waist? How? With a bungy cord? Or on its head? How? Who's going to watch the day-to-day antics of a whale?
tkinneyv ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:46:12 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You're kidding right?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:22:19 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It's because sperm whales aren't actually real.
Biologists just dress up like them to make people believe in magic.
borakka ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:58:16 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Why do we need the whale?
Hyperion1144 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:48:23 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Perhaps you missed the point that OP made that WE WANT TO SEE A GIANT FUCKING WHALE FIGHT A GIANT FUCKING SQUID.
RambunctiousGay ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:33:10 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'm thinking it would be really, really hard to get it back.
Hyperion1144 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:46:13 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
If only there were a way to transmit video wirelessly.
RambunctiousGay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:46:49 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Not 2,000 leagues under the sea there isn't.
HalogenFisk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:02:52 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Leagues is distance not depth, Ahab. ;)
2000 leagues is 6904 miles.
RambunctiousGay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:44:53 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Arrrrrrrr
kateshakes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:08:22 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
Miles down in the ocean? Ha ha. Regardless of this, the camera wouldn't stand the pressure, a fucking submarine can't stand the pressure of that much water weight.
Hyperion1144 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:30:17 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
We were sending manned subs deeper than that decades ago. It may not be cheap, but it is totally possible.
70m4h4wk ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:27:09 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Then how do they get all that footage at the bottom of the ocean?
NiteNiteSooty ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:39:45 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
im thinking it should be squid, not squids
ultimatesideboob ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:01:59 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Squidward
IcyMcSpicy ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:34:34 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
What if the whale doesn't want a camera strapped to its body? What if it wants a quiet life of peace and comfort? Do we care about what the whale wants?
evenoobs ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:37:30 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
No
Drectar_Duquene ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:07:42 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Not at all.
raixes ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:54:43 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
WHY IS IT NAMED SPERM WHALE? And do it have a completely different name in swedish.. Sperma Val would've been awesome
Bahndoos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:26:38 on July 13, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Because if you squint and look into the middle distance, it's shape looks like a sperm.
Religulousstink ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:57:01 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Lets strap one on you instead
theguyfromacrosstheb ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 19:12:35 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Something something something ethics. Something something save the whales. Something. Something. You are killing the Eart.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:15:07 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Not the Eart!
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 19:23:06 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Because you can't do that. They're mammals, you need permission.
BTW, why are so many boats polluting the ocean? All that exhaust going down there to kill the wildlife. Imagine spewing that in the air, that would kill everyone. But it's ok in the water because we don't see the pollution footprint, eh?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:54:26 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
They are right you really do have the dumb about this.
tacos_pizza_beer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:34:03 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You're a very special kind of stupid.
Tim100574 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:40:17 on July 12, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Just mosey up and strap a cam on eh?