You sure it wasn't part of the plan to further boost his power level in the warp? Since him dying diefied him and really kicked into gear his worship as the God Empereror. Belief is omnipotent in the 40k universe.
His actual death will mean the cessation of the astronomicon, terra will prob be ripped to shreds. It would be on par with slaanesh fallout only difference being a god of order.
The Emperor is dead and has been for ten thousand years. That’s Horus on the throne, serving an eternal penance for his betrayal.
It’s why CSM say “death to the slaves of the false emperor”- Horus is the false emperor, and at the last second he turned against the ruinous powers and was interred on the Throne.
I mean Rowboat Gorillaman spoke with the Emperor and knew it was him. I'm all for wild 40konspiracy theories but that one has pretty much been debunked.
Sigismund is a lost primarch though, can't change my mind.
His name is actually Roboute Guilliman but he gets made fun of a lot. His Ultramarines (from the Ultramar system, of course, and they're painted Ultramarine) are considered to be the Mary Sues of the setting.
yunivor · 3 points · Posted at 13:49:22 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
wait i thought the god emperor couldn't die but was reduced to a horrible state because he got stabbed ages ago in a fatal way but the orcs believe he's too badass to die.
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I mean, does it cost the souls of a thousand psykers a day? Sure, but who cares about psykers? Surely not you, right. I mean, only a psyker or a heretic would and you’re a good Emperor-fearing citizen, RIGHT?
[deleted] · 102 points · Posted at 16:57:56 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
I think it's very important that we sacrifice those psykers for the glory of the blood thro--I mean, uh, the golden throne! Long live the Emporer of Mankind and all that jazz!
On one side he is a perpetual so had he died he would have revived, hell vulcan revived from falling in a generator.
On the other side if he was to die now no one knows what woudl happen with how shattered his soul has become after 10thousand years of splits.
There are civil wars in the inquesition about it with factions saying they should kill him and others saying tis a bad idea and better the status quo then the unkown.
Then theres the theory his soul is slowly spliting and each piece becomes its own perpetual. . . or merging with other souls to create living saints . .
There are quite abit thanks to who writes the story so hard to say sadly what will happen if he dies, its lookign like gw is poised to make him a god atm ala sigmar style but tiem will tell.
He's also the only force capable of keeping the Webway project sealed shut, and it was breached when Magnus broke the rules to try and warn the Emperor of Horus's treachery...
So now, the daemons of the warp have a direct tunnel to earth that only the Emperors consciousness seals shut...
Even if he can regenerate, what will happen in the interim?
Same thing with the Beacon that allows interstellar travel dependent on the Emperor's powers to maintain it...
It's like a case study in why you don't hinge all your plans on your strongest dude... which is exactly in keeping with this thread's message.
Kings are the embodiment of "too big to fail", even the immortal ones with psychic abilities and power armor.
This is somehtign they could kind of soft retcon . . .. . maybe the sacrifice of psykers could be enough to keep it closed.
also we still dont know too much how the emperor powers the Beacon and have seen theories that since it has existed for a while maybe all he does is makes it stronger . . . where it might be possible it will have power normally just wont be as strong.
My biggest question tho is why is cypher and the lions sword so important and what does he plan on doing when he finds the emperor . . .
yunivor · 1 points · Posted at 13:54:34 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
My biggest question tho is why is cypher and the lions sword so important and what does he plan on doing when he finds the emperor . . .
Considering Big E gets more worship on the minute than the Chaos Gods and has for 10k years while also being able to contend with them prior to dying means he's definitely a full fledged "Chaos God" at this point
Bobby G spoke to the emps recently so he is still there and still as shit of a father ad he were 10k years prior
There are like a hundred theories surrounding what the emperors plan is. What the big button do. Is Jimmy space a chaos god now via human worship and warp shenanigans held from drop kicking the chaos fucks in the warp itself by that stupid yellow chair.
So many theories and all it takes is 28 hours required reading and then several hours of I depth lore youtube analysis vids to understand them
There are also some theories that the Emperor doesn't want to come off the Throne, either, at least not yet. He has actually acted through parties like the Custodes to stop people trying to bring him back whole.
And then there's the implication that the thing in the throne coming off the Throne might be a bad thing...
basically the emperors souls, either knowingly or unkowingly has had pieces split off over thousands of years so hes more detached and less human then he ever was before . . . . its interestign and theres alot of lore but the issue starts to get into how writers depict it and what writer writes what.
The world building and stories are usually good but there some pretty bad books as well, one being where eldar abandon their tank for a Leman Russ, even tho they probably wouldnt know how to drive it lol.
The perpetuals are effectively closer to warp deamons than people as long as anything is left they will regenerate unless something is sapling their soul in big E'S case it's the astronomicon so if the throne failed and let him heal the galactic light house would go out and humanity would be up shit creek without a paddle and unable to travel the stars ever again
Technology regression basically the beacon worked before when he was maintaining it with a team of people who understood it when it was new. Now the imperium couldn't fix it no matter how bad they wanted to and its been running for millennia if you turn it off it probably won't turn back on and the vast majority of the imperium don't understand what a perpetual is
Oh yes, 10.000 years of science stagnation can do wonders…
kybergi · 2 points · Posted at 01:21:00 on February 6, 2022 · (Permalink)
The emperor kept the beacon working even when not on the throne with his psychich might, but now if he dies (even for a limited time) the beacon will shut down and the imperium will fall apart while he regenerates.
Never played the table top. But I've read probably 30 books and play dawn of war one and two as well as Gothic armada to this day. Here's to hoping creative assembly makes enough money from fantasy warhammer and creates a 40k total war in my lifetime.
The books outshine the games including tabletop imo.
It is less that he planned it and more that if he leaves the throne the earth would turn into another eye of terror immediately because of the broken webway project.
Chaos won, the imperium has been stalemated and delivers all the suffering chaos needs to sustain itself forever.
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 18:57:20 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)*
No one knows if he even would be back. Maybe chaos noms him before he can. Maybe he does come back, only to face Abaddon wielding the one thing that can put him down forever, the end of empires.
All in all, Emps is just a background piece, not a character anymore. It works better if the Deus ex machina was used, failed, and now we are left fighting for the scraps of light before the night comes.
[deleted] · 5 points · Posted at 20:30:04 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
The ork power of belief is overstated. Does it exist? Yes. But much of it is due to tech priests not understanding ork technology and instead chalking it up to "magic" that they worked at all. Red ones do go faster, but ork guns still need bullets. Also, the power has a range, more orks in 1 place, the bigger the wah and the more wah energy around. The emperor is likely too far away for any of that to matter.
I’ve only ever heard Psykers. I mean, I’m theory anything but a null would work, but you’d need a lot of vanilla humans to match the psychic energy in one psyker.
Edit: this is making me wonder if you could fuel it with other races. Just grow orcs in captivity and use them, since they all have some level of link to the warp (in order to fuel the waaaaaaagh field).
Didn't that end up leading to the worst future possible, where the emperor doesn't exactly rule since he's the equivalent of a vegetable and life sucks because if you're not killed in the latest WAGHHHHH, you'll probably be eaten by Tyranids?
Remember when 40k said sacrificing 1000 people a day to keep the king alive, and thus galactic economy. was such a terrible thing. Unthinkable even.
More then a thousand Covid deaths a day (average) since September in America. Alone. And we could lock down any time… just have any basic precautions… at all
It would cause the warp to fail. Well kinda. Basically the emperor in in a catatonic state and his presence makes this North Star like point in the warp. It’s used to navigate the warp in a safe enough way. So you know where you’re going.
That brings me to the battle maidens. A group of all female crusades who drop churches from low orbit, and they are so fucking cool
[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 01:42:54 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
I advocate for rex machina, it is immoral for any human being to hold authority over another, but ultimately necessary until machine administrators can be created
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Yeah imagine having a kind who dies LMAO. At least we in north Korea have our invincible god like supreme leader who will never die
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 18:14:15 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Have one Chad son with good stats that's groomed for leadership. Murder, disinherit, and force to take vows the rest of your worthless hell spawn that just want to break up your duchy.
Don't let the crown be inherited by a blood family member and adopt the Roman tradition of adopting an heir from outside the family a la the Nerva-Antonine Dynasty. Just don't Marcus Aurelius fuck it up again.
not sure what the exact name is but theres a book that apparently has details of US and the CIA's involvement with the thai government during the cold war
How dare you forget the three year old rightful heir! His regent will surely act purely for the good of the kingdom!
[deleted] · 256 points · Posted at 16:12:28 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
"look we didn't want to kill you and your family, i promise you it is the wish of the 3y old king, I'm not gonna go against the wish of our wise monarch"
my family has been loyal to the chaddeus line for generations! oh hey the neighboring kingdom across the sea needs a new bookkeeper, good luck everybody else!
[deleted] · 130 points · Posted at 16:04:46 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
berdking · 44 points · Posted at 16:15:41 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)*
He's the acting high king until a moot can safely be convened. To anyone who wasn't a direct observer, Ulfric successfully challenged the throne, and he'd obviously be elected if skyrim stayed independent for long enough.
It is a monarchy in practice, he just wants to stroke his ego
No, a thane is just an honorary title for a land owner within a hold, think like a knight. An important political role, but pretty far down the line of succession for jarl, if in it at all.
Unless they were able to force themselves into the position of jarl, hold it, and then curry favor with their new equals
What I am saying is that the dragonborn is on good terms with every single jarl if they wish and their other deeds shouldn't go unnoticed either. What I am saying is that the dragonborn should be the high king
They do have high favor, but their politcal experience is pretty much limited to favors and the occasional military advising. It's unlikely they'd get any real consideration.
[deleted] · 5 points · Posted at 20:06:53 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
I mean, Ulfric's experience is pretty limited to murder and making the Dhovahkin win a war for him.
The civil war was supposed to be way more important than it was, they just ran out of time. It's a shame Bethesda has to hit those holiday sales, maybe their shit wouldn't need to be modded if they could push the release dates back
They've been selling new editions of Skyrim for the past 10 years. There's been plenty of time to add in missing content, they're just too cheap to do it.
I mean, the American version of “democracy” isn’t much better. We elect people to cast our votes for us and then when everyone says “So, you’re gonna at least try to get this bipartisan bill through, right?” The person we chose is always like “Hmmm… nah.” We almost never have a direct say in what goes on in the legislatures.
They wanted to create a Democracy, they wanted a Representative Republic. Some retards nowadays call Representative Republics Democracies, for some reason. Drop an Athenian in the average "Democratic Nation", he wouldn't see any democracy in sight.
I believe that's literally correct. Hannah Arendt outlines this in her analytical poli-sci classic On Revolution when she explains that the founding fathers leaned towards a constitutional republic because they feared an "elective despotism" of simple majority rule. There's something to be considered there, for sure, but mostly cutting the people off from almost all decision-making seems like the wrong choice to me.
A republic sounds nice until those reps start becoming less and less representative of the people and their interests. A system where we have to vote on most/all of the decisions ourselves may sound perhaps a little tedious at times, but I'd much rather deal with that than never have a real say in anything.
mostly cutting the people off from almost all decision-making seems like the wrong choice to me.
Do you think it would be right for the residents of New York and California to decide every election because of their high population, while the "fly over" states get essentially no political representation?
That's one of the given reasons that the founding fathers turned their noses up at actual democracy. In our current system, though, residents of small states have like twice the voting power of residents of large states, but still the people themselves from any of those states aren't the ones voting on actual decisions, just the reps and the prez. I'm not really taking an actual stance one way or the other in this regard, though.
Perhaps the actual issue here is centralization of the government. The US is almost large enough to be a continent in itself. It's hard to say that the House of Representatives actually represents you in any real way when the great majority of them you didn't pick and are from totally different parts of the country with perhaps different interests at heart. A focus on a more localized, decentralized state of affairs would almost certainly better represent the people of that region.
I disagree with you, but thank you for taking the time to actually write out your opinion to share it with me. I appreciate you sharing your thoughts, hope you have a great night bro.
Yeah but the fact that the entire system can grind to a complete and utter halt for TWELVE GODDAMN YEARS because of one or two people that have a hard-on for obstruction (lookin' at you, Mitch and Joe) is ABSOLUTELY a design flaw. I very much doubt the founding fathers intended for the President to have to rule by executive order because congress is fundamentally unable to do jackshit.
Necro42 · 2 points · Posted at 00:40:55 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)*
nah actually I’d argue that way too much power has consolidated into the executive and that the founding fathers (and esp george) never wanted the executive ruling by fiat via executive order spam (ESPECIALLY ONES THEY KNOW ARE UNCONSTITUTIONAL). Congress should be obstructionist. They can and do pass necessary bills all the time, but the big and controversial ones are obstructed unless one party has decent majority as they ought to be. Congress has problems but much of it has to do with all the overpacking they try to do with every bill so they dont have to go on record voting for something
Ceapple · 5 points · Posted at 16:26:13 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Elective Monarchy*
[deleted] · 5 points · Posted at 16:42:24 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
I remember when Ulfric ruled PCM and I can tell you he was terrible. Just terrible. The worst. That's why he was scrubbed from the PCM history books and now nobody knows of him.
There were places where kingdom inheritance goes to nephews, sons of sisters. The logic goes that everyone is 100% sure who their mother is, therefore the King knows who his mother is, and he also knows his sister is truly his sister by his mother, therefore his sister's son is definitively his nephew by blood.
I would like to press the strong claim of my son Bernard l'Inbredia to the kingdom of dingleberry that he inherited by marrying my sister, who in turn inherited the claim from her daughter's husband's slave's owner. Accept this claim or have war.
It would be interesting if they had this type of dystopian government in a work of fiction like a book, movie, or book. Definitely a new take on the classic clichés that we have all the time.
[deleted] · 4 points · Posted at 16:09:44 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Bruh I thought you were going off game of thrones for a minute
It was based on The War of the Roses for a reason. Wiped out 2 royal lines and a good portion of the other nobility. Reality is sometimes more brutal than any fiction.
Boobr · 2 points · Posted at 17:38:59 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
I am consistently shocked that the hat simulator genre didn't blow up like Mobas or 'jump out of a flying bus into a shrinking circle to fight people' games did.
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I live in an area with loads of orthodox jews and they wear smaller versions of that hat with long black overcoats when it's 90 degrees out. It's absolutely mad. The hats are genuinely cool though.
Sir_Elm · 1 points · Posted at 17:42:01 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Throughout history, men have worn hats as a way of asserting dominance over other men. “I buy hats,” a behatted man seems to say. “I am better than you.”
In wartime, hats were a useful way of conferring rank, and ensuring that casualties were confined to the lower classes (hence the famous command of “Don't fire till you see the tops of their heads” at the Battle of Bunker Hill by William Prescott, a general renowned for only shooting enemy combatants who were poor). During peacetime, hats have been instrumental for men to let the non-hatted know just who is wearing the hat around here.
The latter will end up getting "the Great" moniker because he had enough piety to ask pope for money which allowed you to finally form the empire. Meanwhile the former is "the Fishy" or "the Bully"
Atanar · -2 points · Posted at 19:46:48 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
"the great" is also usually not well earned in history. Alexander was really just a very, very sucessful highway robber, he achieved nothing but total chaos. Catherine was so great that on the onset of Stalinism people still though "yeah, this is still better than going back to Tsar rulership".
[deleted] · 4 points · Posted at 20:24:20 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
You're off by over a century. Catherine the Great died in 1796, Stalin took power in the 1920's. Catherine got the 'Great' epitaph in large part because she left behind a stable Tsardom. It was more so the century of moronic tyrants between her and Stalin that made people open to Stalinism.
Was true in CKII. In CKIII they give you these "dynasty perks" that can basically guarantee elite stats for all family members and heirs. It's pretty dumb, makes the game too easy, and kills role playing.
I hate to be that guy but you usually make banana bread from bananas that are starting to go bad, usually you want a LOT of brown spots on the bananas first, makes them much more fragrant and easier to bake with.
Also I would have thought the brown aspect would have been the go-to here for an Auth-Right joke.
The population votes for what sounds good, and often do so based on envy and identity politics. You want a system where the majority of people are property owners so they vote in the interests of someone who owns property and wants the government to fuck off of it
I’m not a georgist but if Georgism can do that than I would love to see someone try to apply it in action.
C3LM3R · 14 points · Posted at 19:03:28 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Let me start this with saying, there is no perfect system and eventually they will all get abused:
In the case of system where only land owners vote, how do you combat the centralization of voting rights around land-owners who specifically buy up as much land as possible (as is their right) to monopolize their power?
I'm not arguing for a system where only land owners vote, I'm arguing for a system that would make most people land owners so that most people, voting in their own interests, will vote for policies that encourage property rights
So if we were to implement this, would we take all of the land and distribute it to everybody, or a certain percentage of people? Like how would we ensure the majority of people are land owners?
Tax system most likely. Georgists want there to only be a tax on land value so land ceases to be a viable investment. Then it would become cheap enough that everyone could own land while still providing enough revenue for the government to function and provide services. The Distributist Hilaire Belloc proposed that a differential tax should be levied on the sale of land and the size of that tax would depend on if the sale worked towards a wide or narrow distribution of property. Basically, if a man with a lot of property sells to someone with no property he should pay little to no tax. If someone sells to someone with a lot of property already the tax on the sale should be high. This would encourage a wider distribution of property over time.
Land value tax, basically, taxes are based on how much your land is worth. This incentivizes people to maximize the use of their land, preventing things like urban sprawl. In theory, if the taxes are high enough, you would see landlording occur minimally.
I do see a few holes in the theory of course, but it's interesting
C3LM3R · 2 points · Posted at 20:24:04 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Thanks for the clarification. I like the premise, but increased land ownership immediately has me wondering about problems of even more urban sprawl. Not to say I don't agree about increasing land ownership, it just raises a new set of challenges.
Isn't suburbs what we need to get rid of? I thought cities had the least carbon impact, as everyone just lives on top of each other and you can walk everywhere.
This sounds sensible, but in Spain we have 76% home ownership rate and people still vote for governments that defend and promote squatting. As in, if you get squatters on your second home, the only legal way to get them out is through a lengthy years long legal process and you need to keep paying the electricity/gas/water bills through that time.
People vote against their own interests all the time.
Awobbie · 5 points · Posted at 17:46:49 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
That presumes that the majority of the voting population even knows what would be in the interests of property owners and small government, and were firm enough in that knowledge that they couldn’t be persuaded by good advertising.
No, because you’re in the enemy tribe and my tribe is good 😡
Awobbie · 3 points · Posted at 18:36:15 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Obesity rates and the drug addiction epidemics show that the people don’t always know what’s in their own best interests. Which is whatever when they are choosing things that only affect themselves, but what they vote for affects me too.
In the states, when people were settling, you could only vote if you bought property in the area cause that ment you were investing in the areas future instead of just looking for free handouts. This lead to successful communities and forced all the people looking for free handouts further west till they settled in California
ieilael · 88 points · Posted at 17:52:23 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Why would anyone go to the American frontier looking for free handouts? Everybody knows it's hard and dangerous out there. That makes zero sense, you would stay closer to civilization and government if you wanted to be a mooch.
Many people went during the gold rush, which was basically gambling. There was a tiny chance you’ll end up a millionaire, and that was enough for people to track across the country. Now build a society off of those people.
This is a gross oversimplification. California has had many population booms owing to the building of railroads, agriculture, shipping, and film industries just to name a few. Yes, California famously had a gold rush that resulted in a huge population boom, but the gold rush is a small blip on the radar. It was indeed a catalyst of sorts, but most people not from California (and some from there) seriously underestimate the size and geopolitical diversity of the state.
It was a gross simplification, as was the comment I responded to. I was just trying to say people weren’t honest, hard working pioneers just because they went west
People come to California for work, historically. Almost all of the families in the area I live in came here during the Great Depression and Dust Bowl from the Midwest.
Lmao if you think the phenomenon of people pulling shit out of their ass on the spot is exclusive to one political ideology you really need to interact with more people.
Lol sure dude, let's just pretend the entirety of the Left hasn't been reduced to a hive mind of NPCs believing in a fictional make believe world defined by corporate media for the past several years. The coming right wing backlash across the west has nothing to do with the Left's utter detachment from reality, I assure you.
And almost every other slightly political sub showing the exact same tendency from the American left. Hes right dude. Basically everyone pulls dumb and easily disproven "facts" out of their ass and the ideology eats it up. When the reality is actually shown its too late as the damage has been done and then the morons (L&R) hop on the next overly sensationalized bullshit. Left and right aren't 2 magically different types of people where only their side doesn't play mind games and attempt to generate support for their cause.
Theres sensationalism and then theres outright lies. The right wing is known for outright lies. You guys supported trump for fucks sake. Whataboutism doesnt change the fact right wing news is 90% lies and opinions.
Never supported Trump a day in my life. Maybe talk about shit that you know instead of bullshitting through things you don't. And what the fuck about my statement made you think I believe the shit Republicans are selling? This isn't whstaboutism. Its truth. The Democratic party, for the most part, lies in a more subtle way than Republicans who will scream to the sky about the baby-eating lizard people if they think it will bring them more votes. [D] tends to either stretch a singular grain of truth well past the breaking point, or will pull the wool down around a lie and say, "well its the Republicans fault because of x,y,z." Remember the last hurrah of a drone strike that took place in the final hours of US engagement in Afghanistan? How long did the Biden admin continue to parrot that it was a good strike and neutralized a known IS agent? And then when it was too big to contain the fact they murdered a dozen innocent people, most of them children, did they spin the story that "our intel source was faulty". Fuck, they said it was that same Intel that told them he was a bomber. They knew within hours whether it was a good strike and tried to cover it up for days.
And all I have to bring up for another is the 2016 DNC collaboration and corruption that was literally shown and subsequently ignored by democrats from then on.
I'm not going to go any further with this because I honestly don't care, and I can recognize you are so far up a parties ass that you will always find guilt with the "bad guys" and excuse or ignore the scandals in your own house. Once you actually denounce your parties and dismantle them to start anew, maybe we can actually have some constructive conversations in this country.
Then I'll be mature enough to admit I'm wrong about something. The context clues I had i.e. your consistent accusation of only right wing politics, with references to American right wing specifically, pushed the notion you supported the opposition, which is the American "left" Democrats. You haven't really addressed anything else though, so you could very likely just be lying. Who knows?
Then I'll be mature enough to admit I'm wrong about something. The context clues I had i.e. your consistent accusation of only right wing politics, with references to American right wing specifically, pushed the notion you supported the opposition, which is the American "left" Democrats. You haven't really addressed anything else though, so you could very likely just be lying. Who knows?
I respect you for admitting that. Both parties are bought by the same people. If you want politics without corruption you need campaigns which arent financed by large donors and a ban on politicians taking jobs with the companies theyre meant to be regulating.
Dude I'm monke in the fullest terms. I believe that tribalism is an honest way to bring balance without corruption. I don't disagree with you because you support one party over the other, I disagree with your supporting of any style of High governance overall. We all are idealists in our own way and I know people think that tribalism leads to many bad things and ya know what? They're right. But every other government example they can give me doesn't fill me with hope either.
What did I say that was false? I only use examples I could find sources and media reports for, and anyone can easily scan through any political subreddit to find wild batcrazy stories regarding American Republicans and their voters.
Nah I was agreeing with you you're 100% spot on, I meant the other guy spewing shit out of his ass is the height of irony after he started this off by claiming only Right wingers make up shit on the spot.
some people are just so mad over california existing that they have to make up fake history to act like it has always been libtard capital of the world, as if the entire republican party platform isn't just concentrated worship of some californian guy...
How would a monarchy be better for preserving freedom private property rights?
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 19:05:26 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
As opposed to what other form of governance? Monarchy is also a broad term so you'll need to be specific. Are we talking absolute monarchy, constitutional monarchy, parliamentary monarchy, or what? I have a feeling that you and I have very different definitions of "freedom" anyway.
Freedom is the right to do as you please as long as it doesn't harm others, the right to own property and do what you wish with your property. I would say I also value the prosperity that comes from freedom, and social cohesion (which to me means the ability to trust your neighbor and the local policeman, knowing they won't try to steal from you or murder you, and instead have your bests interests at heart)
(of course, for a lot of that stuff political change is only half the battle, you also need to have a culture that values those things, and every society becomes decadent and broken after a long enough time period)
do you think monarchy would be a better system for enabling those things in a society? And why would that be the case?
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 21:07:30 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)*
Freedom is the right to do as you please as long as it doesn't harm others
No, I don't think this is right. Freedom is possessing the right and ability to obey human reason, seek moral good/virtue, and to strive after your last end/telos without forsaking the common good (which includes private property), disturbing rightful order, or falling into moral decadence.
You didn't specify which form of monarchy, so I can only be general. Essentially, the origin of democracy and republicanism ultimately are based in classical liberal principles. Liberalism bases truth claims in the subjective, for example, social contract theory. However, it has no mechanism of ensuring that the population's agreed upon social contract is encouraged or consistent with true freedom and liberty. In fact, I think it actually contains some mechanisms, albeit possibly unintended, that encourage the gradual erosion of freedom and liberty, such as the separation of church and state and the separation of the purpose of law from the final end/telos of humanity. I think you actually acknowledge that a bit here:
of course, for a lot of that stuff political change is only half the battle, you also need to have a culture that values those things, and every society becomes decadent and broken after a long enough time period
In my studies, I have come to see that the law is pedagogical. You cannot ever ensure a completely moral populace, but you can uphold standards and privilege those who follow it. I also have not seen that monarchy has struggled with these problems to the same extent unless it also starts instituting policies based in classical liberal principals like democratic votes or the separation of Church and State. There are, of course, exceptions to every rule. I won't deny you on that, but, ultimately, I do think monarchy is preferable.
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 19:12:10 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
I don't think you read what I wrote. I said I want a system that makes most people into property owners, not a system where only property owners can vote.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 21:33:57 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
How the hell would you get most people to own property these days? Your system either means you have to forcibly divide large properties and give them away, or have a "democracy" where most people can't and never will be able to vote.
Georgism would disincentivize renting out property through a land value tax without the absolutely godawful idea of forcibly distributing plots of land
Unless you had rent controls (which in a system where only landowners vote would never happen), then any amount of tax can be mitigated by raising rent on property you rent out. There's no reason to sell it off, especially since selling it weakens your own political power as one of the exclusive "voting class" of landowners.
It's the exact opposite. The people vote for the interests of themselves, and the technocrats try and keep their own interests above the interests of the people. And technocrats are retards.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 03:23:56 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)*
The people vote for the interests of themselves
Short term interests of themselves*. I love the fact that nothing are done to combat unsustainable housing prices due to homeowners ability to effectively veto every election in just about every democacy on earth.
The only way you can honestly believe that bullshit is if you conveniently define your opinions as rational and women's as emotional. Men are every bit as susceptible to emotion based rhetoric as women are.
Did I even allude to that? No. Don’t put words in people’s mouths, that’s how shit hits the fan real quick. I don’t treat blacks differently than whites “despite”. And I’m not treating women differently than men either. It’s just an observation that should be made.
That is why I think most young people are libleft.
Because they don't care about the principles of their country, and if there's something they would like to change through politics, they want their lives to become less shitty. And as we all should know, the left is mostly about society.
While the right lets people decide about their personal life, where they need to act on their own, the left would like to engage in the problems of people and society.
But the thing is, politics should be about the international trades and corporations, about laws and stuff like that, not about the questions of religion or LGBTQ, because these problems should be solved by the society without the need of the government's interference.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 18:06:30 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
I think Plato or Aristotle said democracy is the least worse politic system, but is has some flaws (as you said, people tend to vote for their convenience and not the most appropriate politic)
[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 21:45:32 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
They also said democracy inevitably becomes oligarchy, and the oligarchy is eventually destroyed by a tyrant.
Monarchism is the natural state of mankind. History always regresses to the mean.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 19:24:48 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Democracy works when the majority of voters still remember the hard times and what caused them. When those generations die and the new voters only remember everything always magically improving around them, things start to turn bad.
Assad the Lion has outlived everyone who has tried to oust him from power.
He’s actively had the most brutal terrorist regime in modern history operating on his doorstep (Israel) AND ISIS AND America trying to sabotage him through covert warfare and he still came out on top.
Drachos · 20 points · Posted at 18:01:42 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
I mean its worth noting that the US trained Afghan and Iraqi military, AND paid and trained counter Assad forces. They helped select the leaders of those groups.
Yet (excluding the Kurds) the Syrian Rebels got fucked by both ISIS and Assad's forces. The Iraqi military and its leadership buckled before ISIS. And 10 years of training couldn't give the Afghan government or Military a hope in hell of beating the Taliban.
Assad's plans seem stupid.... and maybe some of them are. But he is still standing and everyone we have backed in the region is not.
(excluding Sauldi Arabia of course. Despite loosing basically every conflict they have ever been in, money does buy stability, I'll give them that.
Oh and Israel. I must acknowledge they have chewed up everything thrown their way.)
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 20:08:15 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Being less incompetent than the US-backed rebels isn't exactly a major commendation for him. It's better than being dumber than them, but still a very lower bar to clear.
Drachos · 0 points · Posted at 04:25:57 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Assad fought ISIS so he at least gets "Better then US backed government and US trained Foreign military."
So its a SLIGHTLY higher bar.
Whats embarrassing is that the US used to be so good at this. Step 1) Send Marshall Green to a country on a diplomatic mission. Step 2) Coup happens and competent pro US government takes control.
And while he couped his way across Asia, several other US diplomats did it across South America.
Yet somehow in the early 90s it all falls apart.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 04:30:59 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Except USA has been terrible at this art for a long time. We have always been great at toppling regimes until recently but the new regime usually sucks. Hell look at Liberia that's our fault for the last 200 years
Drachos · 1 points · Posted at 17:35:47 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Depends on what you want in a Regime. If you want a democracy, yeah the US hasn't had any success at that. However if you want a Authoritarian state like Assad's that controls or eliminates terrorist/communist activity, the US has a fairly good history till the late 90s.
Lets start with Marshall Green's whose work basically always went well.
South Korea: Green arrives, Park Chung-hee came to power as a dictator who is basically responsible for SK getting the ecconomic boom we remember as the 'Miracle on the Han River'
Indonesia: Green showed up, and the Transition to the New Order began ousting President Sukarno, and killing half a million people, mostly communists AND turned the alignment of the Indonesian government away from China/Russia and towards Western powers.
Australia: Marshal Green showed up, talked to a few people, and then the only Prime Minister of Australia has had that was hostile to the US was toppled and a new PM was elected in his place. This secured Pine Gap and the ANZUS alliance to this day.
I would also argue Operation Condor was a success. Ignoring Venezuela (which didn't see the rise of the Bolivarian government till 1997, 8 years after Conder's conclusion) it successfully dealt with any Communist rebels in South America and kept the area capitalist.
Lets be clear, I wouldn't want to live in these states.... but they achieved the US's objectives.
Bombing supposedly rebel villages that disagree with him using a horrible mixture of tnt and random metal shrapnel such as cut up bits of rebar inside of an oil barrel. Often they’ll wait for more people to rush to the scene of the damage to help the wounded, and then bomb those people too.
He should just bomb supposedly rebel villages that disagree with him using drones. Then wait for more people to rush to the scene of the damage to help the wounded, and then drone strike those people too.
Assad is extremely intelligent, he knew exactly how to pull off the Syria war. Either he or someone advising him is 200IQ.
It is impossible to beat a force with the full support of the US and the West, so what do you do? Make the rebels unsupportable by tainting them with terrorists.
"It's Assad or we burn the whole region" was their slogan, and Assad achieved it by ordering the release of thousands of imprisoned jihadists and targeting only the moderate elements in the war.
This tactic was very innovative. It was a scorched earth strategy, except instead of scorching the earth with fire, Assad scorched it with terrorists.
By the time the slow US government was thinking about escalating anything, the moderate rebels had been dominated over by extremists because Assad had successfully tainted the movement, and it really was either Assad or terrorists - so there was no longer any political will to oust Assad.
Then we get them out every 4-8 years. That, combined with the lack of dynasties or similar traditional means of passing down power, results in a system more capable of changing and growing.
Nonetheless, I believe democracy is growing stale. A form of combined federal meritocratic technocracy merged with local partial democratic republics would be, imho, the best thing to evolve into.
Giocri · 44 points · Posted at 17:04:06 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
The problem with meritocracy and technocracy is that whatever metrics by which you determine who is worthy are inevitably going to be biased and not rappresentative of actual competence and even the most competent person can have desires in direct contrast with what is good for the people.
That's an issue in working on in my first book of theory, titled Post-Animalism. I, personally, believe we've been dragging our feet, letting capitalism and democracy stagnate and only dredging up archaic, failed systems like communism to "replace" them. It's time for something new, and I'm gonna write it.
Tzozfg · 6 points · Posted at 19:25:55 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Another manifesto, huh. Other guy's right though. Merit for what? That's wicked subjective and what happens to the people at the bottom of the totem pole? If a society doesn't allow for self actualization on as wide a scale as possible, it's failed because freeing time to self actualize is literally the only reason to contribute to one.
Merit based on a structured, elective system. I get where you're coming from, but that's like asking "the president is elected? By who?"
Which is a good question with an answer.
And so I'll answer what I have so far. Do note this is a theoretical system I'm still actively working on and not the finalized version of what I'll public.
First, there's no "president".
Second, I'm expanding upon the concept of a Congress, and adjusting it. One of my biggest issues, right now, is that Congress creates three letter agencies that then bypass the law making process (ATF, DEA, so on and so forth). It's broken.
So, the first portion of government, which I'll call the Station Assembly, or just "the Assembly"
This consists of the leaders of every Station (referred to as Principals), and five elected members from every Station (referred to as Speakers). This will be explained in just a moment.
Every Station represents a different field. Some basic examples will be Agriculture, Law & Order, Defense, Infrastructure, etc etc. It will also include scientific ends, such as Space, Energy, Information Technology. It will try to maintain 12 or less Stations, with a cap of 24.
The Assembly creates and votes upon federal laws and bills that are considered cross-station. In addition, the Assembly provides a final vote on any Station-passed laws.
There's two stages to a bill being finalized. Whenever a Station passes a bill, it moves to the Assembly and goes to Minor Vote, voted on by the Speaker and The Speakers of the original station count as 1 votes, and the Principal counts as 3. It simply requires more 'yes' notes than 'no'. This gives the Principal more power, but provides our first check with the Speakers being able to override the Principal if they all vote No (a 5-4 decision).
After it passes here, it then goes to the Major Vote. The Station where the bill originated from doesn't vote here; instead, every other station does. Every Station gets 1 vote total. The Principal of every Station counts as 5/10 vote (1/2 station total voting power), and every Speaker gets 1/10 vote. To deny a bill, the rest of the Assembly has to total more votes than Yes votes made during the Minor Vote.
I.E., if it passes with 6 Yes votes during the Minor Vote, the Major Vote needs more than 6 No votes to shut it down.
This is our second check, and it's a doozy. This gives the Speakers of each Station more power to deny in the Major Vote, as they can lower the barrier to turning the bill down. Additionally, it means that the rest of the Assembly can turn down other Station's bills. It also means that the more confident a Station is in their bill, the more difficult it is to shut it down.
In the starting 12 station assembly, this means that it takes over 81% of votes (11 stations voting) to veto a 9 Point Bill. However, with a weaker, say, 6 Point Bill, it takes just over 61% to turn it down.
Now, let's talk about the second group. Stations. As discussed before, Stations represent the different facets of what the federal government manages. Space, agriculture, health, etc etc.
Each station consists of 61 members. These members are split into 4 groups.
1 member is the Principal.
5 are Speakers.
15 are Masters.
40 are Adepts.
1/5/15/40. 61 members.
This works similar to congress, too. Each Station drafts and votes on bills. As one note, Adepts cannot submit bills.
This system also works on a point-based voting system.
Adepts get 1 vote.
Masters get 5 votes.
Speakers get 15 votes.
Uniquely, Principals do not get to vote. To prevent too high a concentration of power, their voting strength is relegated to the Assembly.
This is a simple system. 5 adepts can override a Masters vote. 5 Masters can override a Speakers vote. It's, again, relatively simple. They draft bills, discuss, and pass to the Assembly.
One note, Bills must be 25 pages or under, and cannot have unrelated riders (which is handled later). This is because riders are a fucking cancer.
The truly unique part of Stations is how each group is elected. They have to be elected up. Every election cycle (which varies, explained below), your subordinates elect you. It's a system that encourages mobility and flushing out old blood.
One note, this uses a ranked voting system, and when votes are cast, every possible option must be ranked (except when voting Adepts, explained later).
Every Principal cycle, every Master and Adept votes in a new Principal, or votes to keep the current Principal.. Speakers don't vote. The voters retain their voting power, and the individual must be a current Speaker.
Every Speaker cycle, every Adept votes. They elect new Speakers from either the current Speakers or current Masters.
This system means those in power cannot just appeal to those in power to retain it. Those below them must vote them up. This acts as a check on those in power.
The Adept cycle is a bit more unique. Here, every skilled member of society votes. Which leads us into our third part of government...
The People.
Adepts are votes in by people. However, even this is ranked.
It's relatively simple. There's 7 rankings of individuals, called Representation Class, and it's basically college. Layman, Tutor, Laborer, Associate, Bachelor's, Master, Doctor.
Associate through Bachelor's are simple. They pull from a total pool of votes, equal to 1/5 the total Layman population of the country. In addition, each has 5x the voting power of the prior level of education.
Let's say, for example, the country has a Layman population of 3,120, and for easy reference, let's say there's only 1 of each education level. The Associate would have a voting power of 10, the Bachelor 50, the Master 250, the doctor 1250.
This means that if >20% of the laymen vote against a new Adept, they'll be turned down. While this would be rare, as there's a LOT of Adepts, it gives the people the opportunity to shut them down.
Layman's are either individuals with no education, and that do not work in the respective field they're voting for. Uniquely, they cannot vote for Adepts, only against.
Tutors are individuals with any level of college education that does not relate to the station they're voting for. Their votes count as 1/10 an Associate's vote, so 1 in our example.
Labors are individual who aren't educated in a Stations field, but are working in the field of said Station. Their vote counts as 1/2 of an associate's vote.
Now here's where thing get fancy.
Representation Equality Division
RED is our first 3 letter agency, but operates differently than any today. Their job is to manage the rankings of individuals without an education, or in a Station that doesn't exactly use education (military).
People can apply to the RED to have their Representation Class increased. This can range from something as simple as "I've been a farmer for 20 years, I have a doctor's equivalent education in it", to "I'm a general, obviously I'm a doctor", to people who make great strides without an education.
I'm still hammering the exact parts of this out.
Supreme Court
I love the supreme court, frankly. I think it's a genius system. I'm still hammering out my version of it, but it's similar and acts as a similar check to the other branches. They can vote things unconstitutional, manage major legal disputes, set legal precedent, etc etc.
Education, to the highest level, must be free. This whole system is focused on power fluidity, mobility and preventing stagnation. If education is locked behind a paywall, that grinds to an immediate halt.
Universal healthcare and a UBI to be established. This doesn't need to be much at first, but a UBI would be implemented to help individuals. Eventually, with a focus in automation and good taxes, it'd be the goal to let people live off of this. However, there's a few caveats.
The goal of the UBI is to free people from the NEED to work, which should be a goal of mankind. However, that doesn't make it free.
One, there's a physical requirement. This is a requirement, whether you want the UBi or not. Every individual must maintain a good level of physical health. They don't have to do this on their own, the government will provide help and healthcare. And if an individual fails, they aren't immediately cut. They're provided help, and given time to recover. We aren't perfect.
But should an individual fail, and refuse to improve, they lose all government benefits and are taxed higher.
Obviously, medical exceptions will be made on a case by case basis.
This is applied because it's a fact that good physical health is good for mental health. A healthy, educated populace is a strong populace.
In addition, mental healthcare is provided, and another necessity. If you have something say, like, schizophrenia, you have to take meds for it.
Military service is mandatory from 18-22. This couples with teaching individuals unity and plays into the physical health above.
Two parent households are encouraged, and even given tax benefits. Gender and sexual orientation doesn't matter.
Minimum wage automatically adjusts for inflation. On top, the goal is for on individual to be able to support a 2 parent, 3 child household by the time they're 35 years old.
This plays into the above. One of the facets of post animalism is balance. In this case, it's simple. One, society should expect two parent households, caring for their kids. However, society should also make that as easily obtainable as possible.
Obviously, there's much more. But that's what I feel like sharing.
Tzozfg · 2 points · Posted at 20:48:15 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
OK, it's good that you got it out, that's important for exploring thoughts, but this is the first time I'll say that I'm not reading all of that. I just don't have the time; I work as a welder in a manufacturing environment, I have errands, kids, a pregnant partner--but I'm interested. So here's what I want you to do, if you would be so kind. In the interest of making this more digestable for anyone who reads this, as well as making it easier for you to convey to people in the future, I want you to tell me the purpose of each structure rather than the mechanics of it. For example, "the Supreme Court exists to determine the federal interpretation of the constitution." Obviously what it is and how it works is way more complex than that, but that's the general purpose, and if I have questions about how these things work we can drill down from there. Are you up for that?
Yeah I'm down, just not this minute. I'm at work, I'm a jeweler.
Respond to this message and I'll leave it on unread until I have time to respond, that way I don't forget.
Tzozfg · 1 points · Posted at 21:45:53 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Cool just answer this reply when you can
Vivalas · 1 points · Posted at 20:59:32 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
I'll have to give this a look-y over, but I do have a quick question from a cursory skim of it: do you think literally having rankings for people in society would be a good thing? I can only imagine an even more stratified and self-obssessed society than we have now. Think of how pretentious and narcissistic people are already, now imagine giving them literal rankings that determine their access to the political process. Meritocracy is ideal, but remember that the more jealous and covet-y we get of each other in society, the less stable the society becomes. Kinda like with how marriage and basic ethical codes are more or less universal across the beginning of human history, since we naturally tend to form these sorts of moral structures to keep society from devolving into a monke-kill-monke for breeding rights type deal.
You're thinking of a traditional, rigid caste system. Which is bad.
What's proposed here is a fluid system. One think of note, there's only one way up. You have to be voted in by those "below" you.
This means the system maintain itself from the bottom up. Those in power cannot use their own power to sustain said power.
On top of that, there's always going to be classes. Not defining them and providing clear, forward ways to climb them is unhealthy.
In this system, for example, if you stay at the bottom class (politically, not socially or financially), the government will help support you. However, you'll have the least possible power to change the government.
This is by design. Staying there is 100% your choice. It's built on rewarding merit and drive, but also providing a clear way to move up.
It's fluid and highly mobile.
Giocri · -4 points · Posted at 17:31:20 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
I personally think the solution is farely simple we should just make our society more democratic and educate people better, we need people to learn to recognize propaganda and to have a good enough understanding of the world to hold leaders accountable for their decisions, once we have that I feel like democracy would be the most reliable system.
Pre-octavian Rome (Cursus Honorum) was a relatively stable State. Different offices to do their assigned duties and little interference allowed. Balance was increased by the Tribune of the Plebs, pre-Sulla at least so the ordinary people wouldn't get trampled. And with 2 consuls, the power of a king was balanced between 2 people, preventing any single man becoming too powerful.
Is it still susceptible to corruption? Yeah, but so is absolute democracy, Monarchy, and basically every other system we've tried.
Xciv · 2 points · Posted at 13:20:40 on February 8, 2022 · (Permalink)
Very sad and very much what happened to China. They implement the imperial state examinations and it was at first a powerful form of meritocracy that pulled intelligent capable people out of backwater villages and put them in charge of running the country.
But over time it just became a way to test people on their ability to memorize Confucian texts and super outdated philosophies that did not prepare the bureacratic scholarly class for how to handle major 19th century issues like British Imperialism, Industrialisation, Opium Addiction, and Hyperinflation.
combined with the lack of dynasties or similar traditional means of passing down power, results in a system more capable of changing and growing.
I mean, there’s the Trudeau, Bush, and the Kennedy families, but I see your point. Having 4-5 royal families is superior, as you can have 4-5 different flavours of shit sandwich, instead of just one.
[deleted] · 24 points · Posted at 16:59:54 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
The Bush family is an American dynastic family that is prominent in the fields of American politics, news, sports, entertainment, and business. Best known for its involvement in politics, the family has held various national and state offices spanning across four generations, including a U.S. Senator, Prescott Bush, a Governor, Jeb Bush, and two U.S. presidents—one having also served as Vice President, George H. W. Bush, while the other was also a governor, George W. Bush. Other family members include a National Football League (NFL) executive, Joe Ellis, and two nationally known TV personalities, Billy Bush and Jenna Bush Hager.
The Kennedy family is an American political family that has long been prominent in American politics, public service, entertainment, and business. In 1884, 35 years after the family's arrival from Ireland, Patrick Joseph "P. J." Kennedy became the first Kennedy elected to public office, serving in the Massachusetts state legislature until 1895. There was at least one Kennedy family member in federal elective office from 1947, when P. J. Kennedy's grandson John F. Kennedy became a member of Congress from Massachusetts, until 2011, when Patrick J. Kennedy II (John's nephew) retired as a member of Congress from Rhode Island.
I mean one is politically hated now and the other is kinda doomed to die any time they get close to the presidency so I guess it balances?
Drachos · 6 points · Posted at 18:07:41 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
That, combined with the lack of dynasties or similar traditional means of passing down power.
The Bush's, Clinton's, Kennedy's, Rooservelt's, Tafts', and GOD knows how many state based political families, agree with you whole heartedly. No dynasty system here.
Sure you get the occational Obama, but lets not forget that SOMEHOW the US democratic system forms very powerful Dynesties in a way that anywhere else is limited to Lords and Ladies.
Democracy does not preclude aristocracy and dynasties. The Aristocratic Republic is one of the most well known "democratic" forms of the ancient world, and has been adapted today with the countless political dynasties and machines from a few select families.
America doesn't have a landed aristocracy, but saying we have no dynasties is incorrect.
Slow down their, China. Democratic politicians also are the type of people who want to win popularity contests, so there's already a personality filter on the job. Royalty are just regular people, but rich.
Merit based on a structured, elective system. I get where you're coming from, but that's like asking "the president is elected? By who?"
Which is a good question with an answer.
And so I'll answer what I have so far. Do note this is a theoretical system I'm still actively working on and not the finalized version of what I'll public.
First, there's no "president".
Second, I'm expanding upon the concept of a Congress, and adjusting it. One of my biggest issues, right now, is that Congress creates three letter agencies that then bypass the law making process (ATF, DEA, so on and so forth). It's broken.
So, the first portion of government, which I'll call the Station Assembly, or just "the Assembly"
This consists of the leaders of every Station (referred to as Principals), and five elected members from every Station (referred to as Speakers). This will be explained in just a moment.
Every Station represents a different field. Some basic examples will be Agriculture, Law & Order, Defense, Infrastructure, etc etc. It will also include scientific ends, such as Space, Energy, Information Technology. It will try to maintain 12 or less Stations, with a cap of 24.
The Assembly creates and votes upon federal laws and bills that are considered cross-station. In addition, the Assembly provides a final vote on any Station-passed laws.
There's two stages to a bill being finalized. Whenever a Station passes a bill, it moves to the Assembly and goes to Minor Vote, voted on by the Speaker and The Speakers of the original station count as 1 votes, and the Principal counts as 3. It simply requires more 'yes' notes than 'no'. This gives the Principal more power, but provides our first check with the Speakers being able to override the Principal if they all vote No (a 5-4 decision).
After it passes here, it then goes to the Major Vote. The Station where the bill originated from doesn't vote here; instead, every other station does. Every Station gets 1 vote total. The Principal of every Station counts as 5/10 vote (1/2 station total voting power), and every Speaker gets 1/10 vote. To deny a bill, the rest of the Assembly has to total more votes than Yes votes made during the Minor Vote.
I.E., if it passes with 6 Yes votes during the Minor Vote, the Major Vote needs more than 6 No votes to shut it down.
This is our second check, and it's a doozy. This gives the Speakers of each Station more power to deny in the Major Vote, as they can lower the barrier to turning the bill down. Additionally, it means that the rest of the Assembly can turn down other Station's bills. It also means that the more confident a Station is in their bill, the more difficult it is to shut it down.
In the starting 12 station assembly, this means that it takes over 81% of votes (11 stations voting) to veto a 9 Point Bill. However, with a weaker, say, 6 Point Bill, it takes just over 61% to turn it down.
Now, let's talk about the second group. Stations. As discussed before, Stations represent the different facets of what the federal government manages. Space, agriculture, health, etc etc.
Each station consists of 61 members. These members are split into 4 groups.
1 member is the Principal.
5 are Speakers.
15 are Masters.
40 are Adepts.
1/5/15/40. 61 members.
This works similar to congress, too. Each Station drafts and votes on bills. As one note, Adepts cannot submit bills.
This system also works on a point-based voting system.
Adepts get 1 vote.
Masters get 5 votes.
Speakers get 15 votes.
Uniquely, Principals do not get to vote. To prevent too high a concentration of power, their voting strength is relegated to the Assembly.
This is a simple system. 5 adepts can override a Masters vote. 5 Masters can override a Speakers vote. It's, again, relatively simple. They draft bills, discuss, and pass to the Assembly.
One note, Bills must be 25 pages or under, and cannot have unrelated riders (which is handled later). This is because riders are a fucking cancer.
The truly unique part of Stations is how each group is elected. They have to be elected up. Every election cycle (which varies, explained below), your subordinates elect you. It's a system that encourages mobility and flushing out old blood.
One note, this uses a ranked voting system, and when votes are cast, every possible option must be ranked (except when voting Adepts, explained later).
Every Principal cycle, every Master and Adept votes in a new Principal, or votes to keep the current Principal.. Speakers don't vote. The voters retain their voting power, and the individual must be a current Speaker.
Every Speaker cycle, every Adept votes. They elect new Speakers from either the current Speakers or current Masters.
This system means those in power cannot just appeal to those in power to retain it. Those below them must vote them up. This acts as a check on those in power.
The Adept cycle is a bit more unique. Here, every skilled member of society votes. Which leads us into our third part of government...
The People.
Adepts are votes in by people. However, even this is ranked.
It's relatively simple. There's 7 rankings of individuals, called Representation Class, and it's basically college. Layman, Tutor, Laborer, Associate, Bachelor's, Master, Doctor.
Associate through Bachelor's are simple. They pull from a total pool of votes, equal to 1/5 the total Layman population of the country. In addition, each has 5x the voting power of the prior level of education.
Let's say, for example, the country has a Layman population of 3,120, and for easy reference, let's say there's only 1 of each education level. The Associate would have a voting power of 10, the Bachelor 50, the Master 250, the doctor 1250.
This means that if >20% of the laymen vote against a new Adept, they'll be turned down. While this would be rare, as there's a LOT of Adepts, it gives the people the opportunity to shut them down.
Layman's are either individuals with no education, and that do not work in the respective field they're voting for. Uniquely, they cannot vote for Adepts, only against.
Tutors are individuals with any level of college education that does not relate to the station they're voting for. Their votes count as 1/10 an Associate's vote, so 1 in our example.
Labors are individual who aren't educated in a Stations field, but are working in the field of said Station. Their vote counts as 1/2 of an associate's vote.
Now here's where thing get fancy.
Representation Equality Division
RED is our first 3 letter agency, but operates differently than any today. Their job is to manage the rankings of individuals without an education, or in a Station that doesn't exactly use education (military).
People can apply to the RED to have their Representation Class increased. This can range from something as simple as "I've been a farmer for 20 years, I have a doctor's equivalent education in it", to "I'm a general, obviously I'm a doctor", to people who make great strides without an education.
I'm still hammering the exact parts of this out.
Supreme Court
I love the supreme court, frankly. I think it's a genius system. I'm still hammering out my version of it, but it's similar and acts as a similar check to the other branches. They can vote things unconstitutional, manage major legal disputes, set legal precedent, etc etc.
Education, to the highest level, must be free. This whole system is focused on power fluidity, mobility and preventing stagnation. If education is locked behind a paywall, that grinds to an immediate halt.
Universal healthcare and a UBI to be established. This doesn't need to be much at first, but a UBI would be implemented to help individuals. Eventually, with a focus in automation and good taxes, it'd be the goal to let people live off of this. However, there's a few caveats.
The goal of the UBI is to free people from the NEED to work, which should be a goal of mankind. However, that doesn't make it free.
One, there's a physical requirement. This is a requirement, whether you want the UBi or not. Every individual must maintain a good level of physical health. They don't have to do this on their own, the government will provide help and healthcare. And if an individual fails, they aren't immediately cut. They're provided help, and given time to recover. We aren't perfect.
But should an individual fail, and refuse to improve, they lose all government benefits and are taxed higher.
Obviously, medical exceptions will be made on a case by case basis.
This is applied because it's a fact that good physical health is good for mental health. A healthy, educated populace is a strong populace.
In addition, mental healthcare is provided, and another necessity. If you have something say, like, schizophrenia, you have to take meds for it.
Military service is mandatory from 18-22. This couples with teaching individuals unity and plays into the physical health above.
Two parent households are encouraged, and even given tax benefits. Gender and sexual orientation doesn't matter.
Minimum wage automatically adjusts for inflation. On top, the goal is for on individual to be able to support a 2 parent, 3 child household by the time they're 35 years old.
This plays into the above. One of the facets of post animalism is balance. In this case, it's simple. One, society should expect two parent households, caring for their kids. However, society should also make that as easily obtainable as possible.
Obviously, there's much more. But that's what I feel like sharing.
Vivalas · 1 points · Posted at 20:54:32 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
I would like to know more.
LLadi · 1 points · Posted at 21:06:21 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Yes, and after you take them out, you put a new idiot in
You talking about that one guy who's parents were uncle and niece, and their parents were uncle and niece, or that one girl who's parents were uncle and niece, and their parents were uncle and niece, and their parents were uncle and niece?
u/Max-Kreuzer's Based Count has increased by 1. Their Based Count is now 35.
Congratulations, u/Max-Kreuzer! You have ranked up to Sumo Wrestler! You are adept in the ring, but you still tend to rely on simply being bigger than the competition.
USA and Europe bad, Russia and China good. That's the argument I believe. But it's hard to know what they say when they have Putin's dick so far up their throat.
Awobbie · 11 points · Posted at 17:49:04 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Electing idiots every 4-8 years is resistant to idiots ruling?
Yes, because those idiots are LESS stupid, on average, than a grab bag produced via monarchy, AND their capacity for stupidity is deliberately handicapped by checks and balances
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 21:48:01 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
those idiots are LESS stupid, on average
Tell me you've bever read de Tocqueville without telling me you've never read de Tocqueville.
At least there’s the the potential to replace them with a competent leader instead of being stuck with king smoothbrain III for most of your lifetime
Awobbie · 8 points · Posted at 18:15:53 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Is there any potential that the majority of voters will actually choose a competent leader? It hasn’t happened since Coolidge in the US, and most certainly hasn’t happened in my lifetime.
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 18:40:57 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
My point still stands that there is at least the option whereas there isn’t with a monarchy, at least not without a violent revolution.
Awobbie · 4 points · Posted at 18:21:38 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
It isn’t a real option, though. It is only the illusion of an option. It isn’t the most competent man who wins, but instead the best advertiser. Even making a system which selects the next ruler based off of a literal dice roll would increase your chances of having a decent ruler.
Because there’s never been a competent elected head of state? Just because there hasn’t been for a while doesn’t mean it’ll never happen again. Yeah there are issues with the system but monarchy’s problems are wayyyyyy worse.
Awobbie · 7 points · Posted at 18:34:23 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
My Great Grandmother died without ever seeing a decent president in her lifetime (born during Hoover, died during Obama, a year before Donald Trump). Throughout the majority of her lifetime, Britain has been ruled by King George VI and Queen Elizabeth II. It’s not a good idea to wait around hoping that 51% of voters will wise up and choose a decent candidate when they are only given two realistic options (which are usually both bad) and their primary source of information (social media) is being dictated to them by an algorithm designed to manipulate the way they think. You keep appealing to people having the option to make positive change, but they also have the option to royally mess everything up, and that’s consistently what Americans have done since 1928. I’d honestly rather just roll the dice and get whatever monarch I get. At least the problems with one consistently bad ruler are problems I can adapt to long term.
The British royal family doesn’t “rule” Britain, they’re figureheads who have no part in the governance of the country. The only countries today with actual monarches are Saudi Arabia, Oman, Brunei, Eswatini and the arguably the Vatican and they all have their issues. I’m not gonna argue with you about trump, I disagree but I’m not trying to open that can of worms. I personally think the US should be reorganized to be a parliamentary system because the US system sucks and basically forces voters into choosing between two parties. And you say that social media manipulates people but a monarchy depends on manipulating people into having a sense of loyalty to a family even though they don’t have any merits in of themselves. A monarchy teaches you that you must obey a monarch no matter what and that to go against them is treason and you’re calling social media manipulative. Not to mention no monarchy will ever support a free press or freedom of information, they depend on censorship to maintain control over their populace. And you talk about rolling the dice with a monarchy but I’d say you have better odds overall with more leaders than with only one or two in your entire lifetime. I don’t see how you can adapt to your king tanking the economy and preventing any sort of recovery because they suck at economics. Not to mention the succession crises that happens every time a monarch dies. And yeah the public has the option to royally mess it up but I’d rather that be in the public’s hands than a single dude who is kept in power through military force and repression. Even if the public is stupid throwing your hands in the air and giving all your power to one person is terrible solution.
That is true, but I still think the American system is a big mess. On one side you have the less productive part of society that gets to try and vote away their problems, without any consequences since they aren't invested in the system. On the other side you get the richest part of society that gets to buy monopolies via government favors.
Some do, but people from other classes do to. I mean a significant number of people voting for policies that are bad for America are the college educated middle and upper classes.
Yes but them being able to vote away their problems only benefits the entire system from top to bottom becauase poor people bad. And rich people tend to do what they want anyway.
They aren't able to vote away their problems though, they just think they are. In truth, they just mess up the system top that with the 1% of the 1% paying off the government to destroy their competition and you end up in a race to the bottom, the US is basically becoming the late Roman empire except the senate is more corrupt. Luckily there is no barbarian at the gates to bring the whole thing crashing down.
WASD_00 · 2 points · Posted at 01:02:52 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Getting out of hospital in debt is stellar quality of life?
Not being able to afford insulin is a stellar quality of life?
Romania is the best shithole in the balkans, but atleast you don't get in debt if you need to make an appointment with a doctor
This clearly makes romania glorious nation 🇹🇩🇹🇩🇹🇩🇹🇩🇹🇩🇹🇩🇹🇩
My expectation is pretty much just basic competence. Leaders that are leaders rather than actors who’re good at pretending to be a leader.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 20:34:09 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Venice as a Republic lasted for over a millenia and spent a significant period of that time as one of the richest and most powerful states in the world. The only reason it didn't last until today was that tiny French motherfucker conquering the world.
People are too stupid to realize that American republicanism is not the only way a democracy can be run. In fact it's arguably the dumbest way to implement a democracy other than direct democracy.
Well Venice didn't have universal suffrage, in fact neither did America when it was founded. Allowing people without any investment in the system to vote just leads to the deterioration of the system
[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 22:17:52 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Well the easiest way is owning property, since the thing that garantees your ownership is the system. I'm sure there are other criteria that could work like the starship troopers (the book not the movie) federal service system. It needs to be a benefit a person has that depends on the system existing, but at the same time it has to also benefit the system. It should also incur a personal cost, be it taxes, the draft or something else, so as to aligned the voting decisions with responsible rulership I.e. if you're part of the minority paying taxes you probably not gonna vote for massive spending.
Most hillbillies don't own property though, but I will grant you farm subsidies are bad. The reason they actually vote for them is because its not coming out of their pocket. I should have added a restructure of taxitation to focus more on land and natural resource taxes instead of production tax, like it was in the early years of the republic.
I don't think property is a good way to measure someone's investment in the system. All it takes to be invested in the system is citizenship.
Citizenship is definitely not enough to get people invested, the people voting for the policies destroying the system are all citizens.
Hans Hermann-Hoppe has a saying something like that: "You can have a good monarch, or a bad monarch. This is pure chance. On the other hand, democracy guarantees that your leader is an egocentric bastard"
Monarchy doesn't need to be hereditary. Even though I must say that a system that can define who will rule by birthright and focus on training that person all their life for that purpose doesn't seem as absurd as one where you have to convince roughly half the people to vote for you.
The point of monarchism is to be monocratic, to give to a single person a defined amount of responsibility and the necessary power to act on their function. Goverining by commitee always leads by a diluition of responsibilty and an inability to act. All working structures are monarchical in this sense: a CEO is the king of their company. The President is the king of the country.
Or somehow institutionalize a system of designation/adoption like during the 5 good emperors of Rome. Whoever becomes king cannot have children before taking the throne and once designated as heir he get an irreversible vasectomy.
[deleted] · 26 points · Posted at 16:55:08 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Because the fragmentation period under the piasts was so much better lol
Being a monarch can actually be a curse rather than a blessing.
Pedro II of Brazil always wanted to study science and be a teacher, but he had to content to being an emperor otherwise the country would collapse, which was literally happening on his teens years.
He did the best he could, but being an emperor doesn't mean you do whatever you want. He had to marry someone who he didn't like, deal with the worst war in South America, and especially slavery, which all elites defended despite being ethicallly unjustifiable. Money over values.
What you're proposing is cruel even when it works.
Yes, I wrote a Wall of Text folks, cope.
[deleted] · 12 points · Posted at 18:42:28 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
It can be both a curse and a blessing, depending on who you ask
[deleted] · 5 points · Posted at 18:40:12 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Dude sounded like he was miserable. Then you have to deal with a bunch of rich psycho's and murderers all the time.
And coup d etat, Pedro II didn't finished his job at the office, but was removed with the Republican Declaration of Brazil and forced to flee as an exiled man. It happened soon after the abolition of slavery, the agrarian elites were really angry with him.
You may say he was happy for losing the weight of his shoulders, but he was already too old at this point, he sacrificed everything for Brazil, so he didn't have a propose after that and didn't recieve any pention.
He lived in hotels and small apartments in Paris and people said that he was a shadow, a sad and melancholy old man.
Still, he never supported the restoration of monarchy or kept anger for his deposition, he wanted the good will of Brazil over anything.
[deleted] · 4 points · Posted at 19:53:44 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Fuck slavery he did the right thing even if it costed him his throne. I'd have put all the slave owners on a boat and torpedoed that mofo tbh.
Honestly, his big defect is that he was too nice. He should have heard Admiral Tamandaré and gone full extreme on the republicans. I guess he didn't want to shed brazilian blood just for his throne.
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 01:55:52 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
The worst part is that the coup was opposed by most, common people and even the old guard of higher classes, the problem were people who were born after he managed to make the country stable and prosperous so they had no appreciation for it. Iirc Pedro had some chance to return to the throne but he passed that opportunity.
He was a reluctant and skilled ruler, which is probably what made him so great.
There are many examples of good monarchs and unstable democracies, but in the end, democracies will be more stable long term, and are better for people living in them.
Izithel · 2 points · Posted at 21:24:47 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
For all the power that the Crown commands over the country, the Crown commands as much power over those who wear it.
One needs strong shoulders, for it is a heavy burden indeed.
And those who take their crown for granted tend to be quick to lose both it and their head.
It's why dynasties that did endure for long periods, and their courts, tended to put a lot of work in preparing their heirs-apparent, or at the very least tried their damnedest to make sure that those who'd be a threat to the stability where made as harmless as possible...
Sometimes permanently so they could be replaced with a more suitable heir.
The least part thought, Byzantine emperors would literally cut potential heirs noses and ears, and when they discovered it was not enough, blind them to avoid civil wars.
It was brutal but seen as a Christian way to deal with things, because you're not technically killing your own kind.
Ottomans didn't bothered, a new Sultan would kill all of his male brothers to ensure no competition. Even his baby half brothers. Apparently they stopped when in 1600s Mehemed III had killed 19 of his half brothers, mostly baby and toddlers, making the religious population of Konstantinople outrageous and damaging their international reputation in Europe.
The most successful monarchy are the Yamatos because they stayed out of politics for a long time, to the point of they being considered gods on earth. Second one is likely the Thai monarchy, they are hugely popular to this day.
Training your heir their whole life still doesn’t work half the time. Just look at Marcus Aurelius who constantly tried to teach Commodus to not be a fuckup, and how that that went. Rome went from Pax and greatest civilization ever to 3rd Century Crisis and never recovering real quick
Yeah but that was way after his time. He sucked but that was mostly it, even tho he does mark the end of the Pax Romana. I'd say his fault was that because of him, the Severans came into the picture and they were the ones that caused the Crisis directly.
Must be hard living with the attention span of an amoeba.
[deleted] · 47 points · Posted at 16:52:28 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
PCMers have become so mentally incapable by their constant use of soyjak memes as actual arguments that two paragraphs are now considered impossible to read.
Memes and it's consequences have been a disaster for the human race
It's mostly generational , so not just on PCM; though most folk here are zoomers. As a younger millenial my attention span is also rather low (curse getting a smart phone in middle school!) but damn, two short paragraphs is a "wall of text"?
Imagine when these kids go to college and have to write a paper. Or when they go to work and have to deal with 200-page reports. They'll cry in a bathroom.
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 17:04:55 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
I mean, I don't like her as a person but she is definitely very qualified for the position
ieilael · 1 points · Posted at 17:58:49 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
The President is the king of the country.
It wasn't intended to be that way and it wasn't always. It wasn't supposed to be the president leading a branch of eleven million people that controls every aspect of our daily lives, our money supply, our state of war, our immigration laws, and even the ability to execute Americans without trial or charge.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 20:28:41 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
It doesn't seem absurd until you make it a bloodline thing. The Five Good Emperor's of Rome were almost all absolute monarchs who ruled due to a meritocracy. People who showed potential to be great were encouraged to become great and rewarded appropriately.
Then one motherfucker named his son as heir and started the Empire's long, slow decline. An authoritarian meritocracy would be a perfectly functional way to run a stable nation, except for the part where you can't really prevent an authoritarian from changing the rules to benefit themselves and their children. It only takes one to fuck everything up.
What stops the monarch from abusing all his power for personal gain? If limited power politicians are corrupt, imagine the level of corruption an unlimited one would have.
If the current structure indoctrinates the new monarch from birth, and so on, then there will be an absolute stagnation of ideas. How could fresh ideas ever make their way into power? It's impossible
Yes... I do consider myself a renaissance woman. I have a certain... quality. I do not belong in this age. I belong in years gone by, having sophisticated conversation with two whores in arms, smoking opium and debating sqrt-1 with the finest intellects of the time. I despise modern British women, they're nothing but harlots. They only like "Daves and Johns" wearing red chino pants and rhianna t-shirts. Maybe drinking a pint in "da pub". I'm trying to not get angry but I fucking am. How could Britain go from the pinnacle of fine art and science to.....this. Oh why, foul demiurge, did you see it fit to put me here in this FUCKING TORTURE. Not only am I alone in appreciating Monarchy in a group of primitives, I am also alone in appreciating......... traps, as you disrespectful barbarians call them.
This song is all that exists in mind. I am curse, I am too smart for this fucking island. And so I have nothing to do................but lament.
I am a Mathematical Monarchist. Care to do battle?
[deleted] · 45 points · Posted at 16:26:26 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Authright: Monarchies are more stable than republics
Monarchies: Yayyy our king has died, time to have our centennial sucession crisis and civil war with a bit of foreign invasion thrown in just to spice it up a bit.
Between 877 and 1649 there were depending on how you count, between 16 and 30 monarchs in the British Isles killed doing King Shit. And that number does not include any of the Not Kings who died trying to be King, or any of the regular folk who got caught up in that shit.
In the 300 years of Prime Ministership there have been 55 of them and ONE has been killed.
[deleted] · 8 points · Posted at 20:41:16 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Also Venice. You know, 1200 years of uninterrupted Republic and only needing to depose a Doge every century or two. The secret is having an active populace who have a vested interest in the success of their state.
You're telling me that people got killed for searching power in the times were diplomacy was made with swords, and the borders changed every year. Who would have known?
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 01:41:21 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
When was the last time that happened in England?
[deleted] · 0 points · Posted at 01:43:13 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
1689 glorious revolution, conveniently the same revolution that made england a constitutional monarchy with a de facto powerless monarch.
[deleted] · 0 points · Posted at 02:07:58 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Two Words if you think the Queen has no power: Gough Whitlam
[deleted] · 0 points · Posted at 02:13:06 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
He was removed by the Governor General, not the queen.
[deleted] · 0 points · Posted at 02:17:29 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
You're an idiot, who does the Governor General represent and whose authority do they act on behalf of and whose assent do they have to have in order to remove the Prime Minister?
Hint: She's the Queen of the United Kingdom fuckhead
[deleted] · 0 points · Posted at 02:20:13 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Nominal authority means nothing, Parliament also nominally acts on behalf of the queen, but we all know what would happen if she ever moved a finger against them, this is why i use the term "de facto".
[deleted] · 0 points · Posted at 02:24:17 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Dude, you're just mad because you thought the Queen had no power and it turns out she has the authority to remove foreign Prime Ministers.
Fun Fact: Her removal of Gough Whitlam was unprecedented in Australian history and is one of the leading reasons for Republicanism in Australia. Cope retard
[deleted] · 0 points · Posted at 02:25:25 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Makes bullshit point
Point gets argued against
Yo... Yo... You are just... Ma... Mad, co...co...cope
[deleted] · 0 points · Posted at 02:28:43 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Dude you tried to tell me about my own county's constitution and history without knowing a fucking thing about Australian history or its politics.
Your "argument" was literally a shitty meme you stole of someone else proving you're a loser who obsesses over capeshit. You're coping right now
P.S. Don't ever study constitutional law if you get Australia's shitpot of a constitution wrong then I'd hate to see how badly you'd fuck up your own.
[deleted] · 0 points · Posted at 02:29:55 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Confuses meme posted to illustrate the point for the actual point
Least braindead monarchist
[deleted] · 0 points · Posted at 02:33:11 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
I'm not a Monarchist retard, I'm an economic Distributist and I vote DLP who are a Catholic split off from the Australian Labor Party (who are my preference of the Liberal National Coalition).
Maybe stop using straw men when you're actually talking to people and you won't look so autistic.
[deleted] · 0 points · Posted at 02:35:32 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Gets into an argument about monarchies in relation to republics on the side of monarchy
Tries to change the topic of the conversation to australian politics for no fucking reason
Noooo i am not a monarchist that is a straw man
[deleted] · 0 points · Posted at 03:03:52 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Dude if you were any more retarded your parents wouldn't be letting you on your computer. Australia exists under the Commonwealth, the Queen is our head of state...
Monarchism is literally a factor in Australian politics you absolute tardlete
You assumed I was a monarchist for pointing out the Queen actually had powers and like a retard tried to call me out as one and got BTFOed
Go and get your head checked cunt
[deleted] · 0 points · Posted at 03:04:35 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Seethe
[deleted] · 0 points · Posted at 03:06:27 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Is that all you have to say after being made to look like you're mentally retarded? Figures
Oh shit, you're Brazilian that explains everything...
[deleted] · 0 points · Posted at 03:08:47 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Doesn't know the basic difference between de jure and de facto power
Tries to lecture others about constitutional law
Gets whiny and agressive when argued against
Doesn't even address the arguments presented and just asserts the same thing over and over
Acts like it had just won a humiliating victory
Least infantile monarchist
[deleted] · 0 points · Posted at 03:10:48 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
So you're just repeating yourself because you don't have any real arguments, poor Brazilian.
Hopefully they find a cure soon
[deleted] · 0 points · Posted at 03:12:16 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)*
Gets argued against
Incapable of responding to the argument
Yo.. yo... you don't have any arguments
Brings nationality into it for no reason
Edit: So confident in your rightousness that you just blocked me huh ? Well i wrote this shit so i am posting it regardless:
Imagine feeling so intimidated by a basic argument that you pretend it doesn't exist.
I will reiterate in a more elaborate manner to see if your pitiful brain can actually keep up this time:
There is a difference between what's written on a piece of paper (de jure power) and how things actually function (de facto), the australian constitution can say the queen is the supreme executive power, but this matters little when she can't reasonably wield that supposed power (she just can't).
Just as the Tenth Amendment of the US constitution claims that anything not explicitly outlined in the constitution itself is under the jurisdiction of the states, but anyone with a brain (which unfortunately doesn't include you i guess) can tell you that's just not how things work in reality.
Another example is the roman empire being a republic according to the law until the third century.
Seriously, the distinction between de jure and de facto is and has been an extremely basic part of the discipline of law for a long time, which is why i find it so funny that you don't even know about it and yet acts in the way you do.
TL:DR: Seethe
[deleted] · 0 points · Posted at 03:18:39 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
You have no arguments
So far your responses have just been autistically screeching like a parrot
Again, you have no arguments
You call Brazilian a nationality? Now that's Seething and Coping
SNEED
[deleted] · 7 points · Posted at 15:47:26 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
It is fine, monarchies are designed to function often with a incompetent head of state.
First, the monarch does not have centralized power in the country outside of his own city. He has vassals that govern the rest of the country that operates independently, being bind by contacts and duty.
Second, monarchs doesn't have to make all the decisions, there can be a council or a parliament doing it, the monarch only has to bear responsibility of the action.
Third, monarchs are replaceable, plenty of the high nobelity can take over if the need arises.
The most important of monarchist governments is that responsibilities are clearly distributed, and unable to be muddled like a democracy often can.
[deleted] · 44 points · Posted at 17:01:17 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)*
PCM's unironic monarchists accomplish the herculean lift of making ancaps not-the-most-ridiculous-people-in-the-room.
When you read shit like
Third, monarchs are replaceable, plenty of the high nobelity can take over if the need arises.
it's mind exploding. Overthrowing thrones has been a historically violent activity that is shitty for almost everyone involved. I have ZERO interest in being conscripted into the Bloomberg Battalion to fight the Lindell Legion to overthrow a shitty king.
Monarchists are in terms of right wing conversation are like unironic nazis but dumber they try to insert themselves into any conversation weather or not anyone wants their input and only hold their beliefs only for the sake of contrarianism and not out of practicality
I get the feeling a democratic system almost requires you to lie. If you are too honest you are gonna end up either losing your power or losing your votes.
"King Chad" - I like how this concedes that the original king was actually a good ruler.
[deleted] · 0 points · Posted at 20:43:05 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Well yeah, some kings were. If every king could be trusted to be a Cyrus, Saladin, Aurelius or Suleman then absolute monarchy would be the ideal form of governance. However, since we can't make that guarantee I would prefer my rulers to be ineffectual and bound to the will of the people.
Kek. Presidents don't give a shit once they are in power. It's almost like they lie to get it.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 22:17:32 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Then let's bring out the guillotine. Even the founding fathers of the USA knew that democracies only work when the leaders of the nation fear the people of the nation.
The point is that for every great king you have a terrible one, and they rule for life or until some bloody civil war replaces them. Republics can rarely get as great heads of state and government as monarchies, but they also will much more rarely get buffons in power, and they will last just for a few years.
Republics have less variance in leadership quality because the number of rulers per unit of time is a lot bigger than in monarchies.
Both bible and Book of Mormon say this. But King Mosiah (son of King Benjamin) points out more clearly that the people are royally boned if there is a bad king (he was only being figurative and didn't say "boned" but getting literally raped by royals/nobility IS part of the problem).
Anyway, yeah, monarchy has never been cool in Jehovah/Christ's eyes.
p_pio · 27 points · Posted at 15:12:11 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
From the bunch of nobodies that got independence mostly because mainland decided that sending bigger army would cost to much to be profitable to greatest superpower dominating worlds economy and cultuure with greatest military might.
[deleted] · 7 points · Posted at 16:59:42 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
We exist.
p_pio · 18 points · Posted at 15:22:08 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
I'm not even american, so I don't know. I know only that leaving decision who should run country to middle America ended much better for USA than leaving it to nobles ended for my country ;).
It has. You get to bitch over purple haired women and their genders/ someone flying a Gadsden flag instead of worrying about what whether or not your family will live to see tomorrow.
Yes. Because they're ultimately accountable to the people, so they have to at least pretend to care. A king can tell the peasants to get fucked without any consequences.
SFX1415 · 3 points · Posted at 16:59:58 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
monarchy with a good ruler is one of the best forms of goverment, if not the best, with a bad ruler it is one of the worst forms of goverment
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[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 19:06:58 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Imagine a ecclesiastical college that trains governors, and based off merit and character are installed in power by the Pope, who acts on a carefully written constitution that prevents blood succession or accumulation of power among families.
Or you can be like the Chad roman empire, not have an enumerated process for succession because the emperors authority was always defacto and not dejur so you just have a civil war anytime an emperor dies.
democrats can do it anytime, it is implied that Darlene gave it to. Perspective in life is very important and will have a hard time of it all. But there is no reason for him to slip like nononono pls don't
They say a cheat code for a nation succeeding is getting lucky enough to have 100 years of good leadership. I’m no monarchist, but that’s not really viable when your country switches their leader every 4-8 years
[deleted] · 5 points · Posted at 20:52:51 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Can you name any five nations in world history that had a full century of good governance? The closest we get are places like Venice and San Marino that had multiple centuries with only minor issues.
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 18:13:33 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Like a president, but they serve till death? Could work, as long as their powers are limited
btw339 · 2 points · Posted at 18:45:55 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
>Not de-clawing your monarch with a constitution.
They aren't there to be some le based dictator. They are there to put an upper limit on scheming and ambitious men. When these lizard brains reach for the cookie jar of power, they are to discover a harmless fat cat has beaten them to it by birthright.
They give people residential status, and only give citizenship to people with jobs in the country. Anyone who resigns has their citizenship revoked and automatically replaced with Italian citizenship
I thought we talk about the real thing not that knock of versions of presidents with out power.
vonbalt · 0 points · Posted at 12:06:27 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
They are all the real thing be it democratic or autocratic, constitutional or absolutist and so on.
My "flavor" of monarchy is a constitutional one where the monarch holds significant power but well defined and limited by the constitution while aided by a council/parliament in the day to day rulling of the realm.
Many countries had such systems before the last few centuries where republics were romanticized back to life only to replace well functioning monarchies by shit oligarchies be it by revolution, coup or aftermatch of wars.
Not every monarchy was shit-tier like the French absolutists.
ryry117 · 1 points · Posted at 17:06:01 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
A Catholic Theocratic Constitutional Monarchy is the ultimate government. The world will continue to suffer until this is implemented.
You claim that monarchy doesn’t work in theory or practice, despite historical evidence to the contrary. Even a retard could make accurate comments regarding your historical knowledge
Not even some terribly staunch monarchist, but history shows that monarchy in practice works just like this meme. There’s a good king and things work really well, then later there’s a stupid king and things go to shit.
Monarchism always works in theory because the king’s God’s special boy or some shit
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in an ideal scenario, the king would die and his son would be trained from childhood to be the perfect king, this happens a good portion of the time but once every century the son is a retarded power freak, or a 2 year old, this made sense when most of the population were illiterate peasants that didn't know what was good for them, not that people today do, constitutional monarchies were really a step in the right direction.
If i had to be a monarchist, then id want a system like the one that picks supreme court justices or the pope. You rule for life, yes, BUT you are elected democratically by a supermajority and not inherited the positon. Also, you can be forced to abdicate at any time by a simple majority.
[deleted] · 0 points · Posted at 19:55:51 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
I assume no one is serious when they push monarchism, so much as expressing how futile it seems to have non-corrupt competent leaders in democracy.
Of course you traitor American hate Monarchy because the King is absolutely superior than your founding fathers. You have to keep on making lies and propaganda about the king, tearing down his statues just like how those leftists tear down yours stupid statues. If you really read through your pathetic history, you will see those orange woke leftists are the one who truly inherit founding fathers and Puritan settlers spirit. That’s why America is hopeless. Karma is real, bitch. American patriots are trying to the defend their exact opposite, traitors and nonbelievers. America is wrong from the beginning. DEATH TO AMERICA!
What is Doing Carlos II of Spain El Hechizado:format(jpg)/f.elconfidencial.com%2Foriginal%2Fe95%2F449%2F51c%2Fe9544951c85f8de1b21df143075b2e9c.jpg) there?
It is not that people didn't know back them that incest leads to fucked up children, people were not stupid, it was just that it was a preferable option to risk losing your throne later on or an ugly civil war.
Like, prior to the Portuguese Civil War, Pedro IV of Portugal tried to marry his daughter Mary II of Portugal to his brother, Miguel I, to try to avoid it. It didn't work out, but it is a clear example why they married close relatives.
this is why a war of succession should break out everytime a monarch dies, and the person who crowns himself the king is the winner (probably better than an elected E*ropean head of state)
the monarchist darwinism pack is out
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 20:50:50 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Not a war, just a battle Royale. Drop all the potential heirs into an arena and the last one standing wins.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 16:37:58 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
No King but Jesus!
leeljay · 1 points · Posted at 16:50:58 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Monarchism in a nutshell step 1 king conquers region step 2 have multiple sons step 3 king dies step 4 sons fight a civil war. Step 5 everyone dies rince and repeat
ApXv · 1 points · Posted at 17:41:17 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
I'm afraid this is happening in Norway. We've had 3 kings since gaining independence in 1905 and they were great an immensly popular but I'm skeptical about the next ones in line. Our king isn't gonna live for many more years so we'll see soon.
The massive advantage of monarchism is that killing one person (the king) is enough to stop the tyranny. But with current governments you could kill a 100 people and the trash political party wouldn’t budge.
When the king dies, the new king should be chosen through feats of strength.
Meowshi · 1 points · Posted at 20:27:32 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Market Socialism is the belief that workplace democracy in the form of worker co-ops should be mandated, and that markets have been historically more effective at structuring the economy around rather than a centrally-planned command center. It is more than a policy, it is an entire ideology that is focused on eliminating the bourgeoisie as a political power class.
Kireba2 · 1 points · Posted at 20:48:37 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
That a problem with absolutism in a normal monarchy he would be thrown out of power by the elite , killed by the population or in the case of Germany and Japan replaced by a militant junta
Elected Monarchy with random chance of regicide. Only power is veto over parliament and max one parliamentary execution per week, free nice house & harem.
Gladiatorial games for capital crimes. Indentured servitude for property crimes. I get to decide on the flag.
That's the problem with hereditary monarchies, if you're going to have a monarchy you're better off having something like the Witan select a new king after the old one dies. That has it's own issues but it's way better than just giving it to someone just because he was part of the king's jizz at some point.
tugue · 1 points · Posted at 02:32:09 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Everyone after Prince Charles becomes a king be like:
Vladimir Putin, I fear. He's an amazing leader for such a superpower that Russia is, and deals with America pretty peacefully. I fear what may happen after him, when American presidents keep getting dumber and dumber, someone without the patience of Putin may cause WW3, Which would go nuclear for sure.
"The idea of hereditary legislators is as inconsistent as that of hereditary judges, or hereditary juries; and as absurd as an hereditary mathematician, or an hereditary wise man; and as ridiculous as an hereditary poet laureate." - Thomas Paine
Penguin_Warlord · 2937 points · Posted at 15:18:25 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Just don’t let your king die lmao
Pantheon73 · 2017 points · Posted at 15:41:35 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
WH 40k moment.
SartosaTrap · 722 points · Posted at 15:43:59 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Based and golden throne pilled.
[deleted] · 315 points · Posted at 16:40:55 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
The Emperor protects.
Lukthar123 · 201 points · Posted at 17:38:06 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Ironic. He could protect others, but not himself.
Nunerrim · 120 points · Posted at 18:05:00 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Is it possible to learn this power?
Lukthar123 · 138 points · Posted at 18:06:02 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Not from a heretic.
Logue_Yne · 39 points · Posted at 18:27:39 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Not from the imperium either though…
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KojinaSama · 9 points · Posted at 19:27:21 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
What about a necron?
yunivor · 3 points · Posted at 13:46:43 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
I'll take a million year nap and get back to ya.
KojinaSama · 1 points · Posted at 14:22:01 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Thanks
ThousandWinds · 19 points · Posted at 18:38:44 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
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FloofyImperialist · 4 points · Posted at 05:32:32 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Suffer not the unflaired!
Bismarck40 · 7 points · Posted at 19:00:05 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Purge the unflaired heretic, IN HOLY FIRE!
justamobileuserhere · 5 points · Posted at 20:50:37 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
HERESY
CoraxtheRavenLord · 38 points · Posted at 18:56:36 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Blessed is the mind too small to doubt.
sippycupjoe · 5 points · Posted at 21:16:08 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
One must have the mental will to stay uncorrupted while navigating the warp.
Brazilian_Slaughter · 3 points · Posted at 22:02:01 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Not from the Custodes.
SuperfluousApathy · 2 points · Posted at 00:00:44 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
You sure it wasn't part of the plan to further boost his power level in the warp? Since him dying diefied him and really kicked into gear his worship as the God Empereror. Belief is omnipotent in the 40k universe.
workthrowaway00000 · 1 points · Posted at 03:12:02 on February 6, 2022 · (Permalink)
His actual death will mean the cessation of the astronomicon, terra will prob be ripped to shreds. It would be on par with slaanesh fallout only difference being a god of order.
LITERALLY_A_TYRANID · 34 points · Posted at 21:02:02 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
The Emperor is dead and has been for ten thousand years. That’s Horus on the throne, serving an eternal penance for his betrayal.
It’s why CSM say “death to the slaves of the false emperor”- Horus is the false emperor, and at the last second he turned against the ruinous powers and was interred on the Throne.
Josiador · 48 points · Posted at 22:16:40 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Neat completely baseless conspiracy theory that doesn't hold up under the slightest scrutiny, heretic.
Subli-minal · 33 points · Posted at 22:18:22 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
So like the entirely of 40k lore then.
Josiador · 25 points · Posted at 22:31:32 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Yes, and it's based.
yunivor · 2 points · Posted at 13:48:23 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Everything is canon although not everything is true.
[deleted] · 14 points · Posted at 22:28:12 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
That's a hard redpill to taste.
system_root_420 · 11 points · Posted at 00:16:41 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
I mean Rowboat Gorillaman spoke with the Emperor and knew it was him. I'm all for wild 40konspiracy theories but that one has pretty much been debunked.
Sigismund is a lost primarch though, can't change my mind.
Dontinsultautomod · 3 points · Posted at 02:47:30 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
I refuse to believe that person exists
system_root_420 · 5 points · Posted at 04:13:34 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
His name is actually Roboute Guilliman but he gets made fun of a lot. His Ultramarines (from the Ultramar system, of course, and they're painted Ultramarine) are considered to be the Mary Sues of the setting.
yunivor · 3 points · Posted at 13:49:22 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
And he has a space elf girlfriend.
LITERALLY_A_TYRANID · 1 points · Posted at 22:02:23 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
That's not how you spell Tau
system_root_420 · 2 points · Posted at 22:57:18 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
If you think Tau are more Mary Sue than the Smurfs, you should put down the Lho sticks lmfao
workthrowaway00000 · 2 points · Posted at 03:13:21 on February 6, 2022 · (Permalink)
Name suggests you know where to try lho sticks citizen
unusual_sneeuw · 2 points · Posted at 01:50:34 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
wait i thought the god emperor couldn't die but was reduced to a horrible state because he got stabbed ages ago in a fatal way but the orcs believe he's too badass to die.
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Sillyvanya · 3 points · Posted at 20:32:34 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
I'd rather be Golden Path pilled.
stationhollow · 2 points · Posted at 01:37:38 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Based and sand worm pilled
HungryBroom01 · 3 points · Posted at 21:00:20 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
From the moment I understood the weakness of my flesh it disgusted me.
That’s literally all I know about Warhammer 40k. That, and “The Planet Fell Before the Guard Did”
artificeintel · 200 points · Posted at 16:25:37 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
I mean, does it cost the souls of a thousand psykers a day? Sure, but who cares about psykers? Surely not you, right. I mean, only a psyker or a heretic would and you’re a good Emperor-fearing citizen, RIGHT?
[deleted] · 102 points · Posted at 16:57:56 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
I think it's very important that we sacrifice those psykers for the glory of the blood thro--I mean, uh, the golden throne! Long live the Emporer of Mankind and all that jazz!
TwerkReform · 86 points · Posted at 17:31:27 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Heresy, in my WH40K thread?
Its more common than you might think.
[deleted] · 51 points · Posted at 18:02:44 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
It's 11pm, do you know where your Primarchs are?
artificeintel · 7 points · Posted at 23:01:55 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
I mean, it says they’re sacrificed, but it never says that their blood flows. …although it doesn’t say that it doesn’t….*
*says the person who has done extremely limited 40K reading…
stationhollow · 3 points · Posted at 01:39:14 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
I assumed they got turned into withered husks and dust like the dude who saved the Empire while big daddy E went to fight Horus.
yunivor · 2 points · Posted at 13:51:16 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Malcador the Sigilite, probably the only real friend the emperor ever had and a real bro as long as you don't ask him too many questions
[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 13:14:27 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Their blood's gotta go somewhere.
yunivor · 1 points · Posted at 13:51:52 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
All is dust.
Applesoup69 · 62 points · Posted at 16:51:30 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)*
Isn't the emperor still alive because the orks belive he is?
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grpprofesional · 31 points · Posted at 17:21:56 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Wdym keeping him from regenerating, I thought he wouldn’t be able to regenerate from the state of his body
BecomeAsGod · 62 points · Posted at 17:35:50 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)*
its an odd lore point . . . . .
On one side he is a perpetual so had he died he would have revived, hell vulcan revived from falling in a generator.
On the other side if he was to die now no one knows what woudl happen with how shattered his soul has become after 10thousand years of splits.
There are civil wars in the inquesition about it with factions saying they should kill him and others saying tis a bad idea and better the status quo then the unkown.
Then theres the theory his soul is slowly spliting and each piece becomes its own perpetual. . . or merging with other souls to create living saints . .
There are quite abit thanks to who writes the story so hard to say sadly what will happen if he dies, its lookign like gw is poised to make him a god atm ala sigmar style but tiem will tell.
ThousandWinds · 30 points · Posted at 18:44:59 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
He's also the only force capable of keeping the Webway project sealed shut, and it was breached when Magnus broke the rules to try and warn the Emperor of Horus's treachery...
So now, the daemons of the warp have a direct tunnel to earth that only the Emperors consciousness seals shut...
Even if he can regenerate, what will happen in the interim?
Same thing with the Beacon that allows interstellar travel dependent on the Emperor's powers to maintain it...
It's like a case study in why you don't hinge all your plans on your strongest dude... which is exactly in keeping with this thread's message.
Kings are the embodiment of "too big to fail", even the immortal ones with psychic abilities and power armor.
Southforwinter · 9 points · Posted at 19:55:58 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Hey now there was a backup beacon they could use, y'know the one that drew the Tyranids to the galaxy.
BecomeAsGod · 5 points · Posted at 20:12:59 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
This is somehtign they could kind of soft retcon . . .. . maybe the sacrifice of psykers could be enough to keep it closed.
also we still dont know too much how the emperor powers the Beacon and have seen theories that since it has existed for a while maybe all he does is makes it stronger . . . where it might be possible it will have power normally just wont be as strong.
My biggest question tho is why is cypher and the lions sword so important and what does he plan on doing when he finds the emperor . . .
yunivor · 1 points · Posted at 13:54:34 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Not even Tzeentch is sure about that one.
grpprofesional · 26 points · Posted at 17:40:11 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Yeah prolly they’re going to try, but in the end he’s gonna either remain in the throne or just die and not come back, I know this kind of cliche
Hot_Share3660 · 18 points · Posted at 17:43:32 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Considering Big E gets more worship on the minute than the Chaos Gods and has for 10k years while also being able to contend with them prior to dying means he's definitely a full fledged "Chaos God" at this point
stationhollow · 3 points · Posted at 01:41:56 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Order God I assume. Pretty much the opposite of a Chaos God.
mrducky78 · 19 points · Posted at 17:45:53 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Bobby G spoke to the emps recently so he is still there and still as shit of a father ad he were 10k years prior
There are like a hundred theories surrounding what the emperors plan is. What the big button do. Is Jimmy space a chaos god now via human worship and warp shenanigans held from drop kicking the chaos fucks in the warp itself by that stupid yellow chair.
So many theories and all it takes is 28 hours required reading and then several hours of I depth lore youtube analysis vids to understand them
Brazilian_Slaughter · 6 points · Posted at 22:21:39 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
There are also some theories that the Emperor doesn't want to come off the Throne, either, at least not yet. He has actually acted through parties like the Custodes to stop people trying to bring him back whole.
And then there's the implication that the thing in the throne coming off the Throne might be a bad thing...
300andWhat · 1 points · Posted at 20:25:53 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
What are splits? And I feel like getting into Warhammer lore could be interesting
BecomeAsGod · 5 points · Posted at 20:40:58 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
basically the emperors souls, either knowingly or unkowingly has had pieces split off over thousands of years so hes more detached and less human then he ever was before . . . . its interestign and theres alot of lore but the issue starts to get into how writers depict it and what writer writes what.
The world building and stories are usually good but there some pretty bad books as well, one being where eldar abandon their tank for a Leman Russ, even tho they probably wouldnt know how to drive it lol.
majormagnum1 · 18 points · Posted at 17:31:36 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
The perpetuals are effectively closer to warp deamons than people as long as anything is left they will regenerate unless something is sapling their soul in big E'S case it's the astronomicon so if the throne failed and let him heal the galactic light house would go out and humanity would be up shit creek without a paddle and unable to travel the stars ever again
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grpprofesional · 11 points · Posted at 17:37:24 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
But why don’t they let him regenerate then? When he was on good health the beacon worked without him needing to be on the throne
majormagnum1 · 13 points · Posted at 17:57:51 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Technology regression basically the beacon worked before when he was maintaining it with a team of people who understood it when it was new. Now the imperium couldn't fix it no matter how bad they wanted to and its been running for millennia if you turn it off it probably won't turn back on and the vast majority of the imperium don't understand what a perpetual is
grpprofesional · 14 points · Posted at 18:00:08 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Oh yes, 10.000 years of science stagnation can do wonders…
kybergi · 2 points · Posted at 01:21:00 on February 6, 2022 · (Permalink)
The emperor kept the beacon working even when not on the throne with his psychich might, but now if he dies (even for a limited time) the beacon will shut down and the imperium will fall apart while he regenerates.
westwind_ · 9 points · Posted at 17:49:18 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
God this game has such an awesome universe/lore, it's a shame that I just can't get into the actual tabletop gameplay..
SuperfluousApathy · 3 points · Posted at 00:19:37 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Never played the table top. But I've read probably 30 books and play dawn of war one and two as well as Gothic armada to this day. Here's to hoping creative assembly makes enough money from fantasy warhammer and creates a 40k total war in my lifetime.
The books outshine the games including tabletop imo.
Harambeeb · 4 points · Posted at 18:34:44 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
It is less that he planned it and more that if he leaves the throne the earth would turn into another eye of terror immediately because of the broken webway project.
Chaos won, the imperium has been stalemated and delivers all the suffering chaos needs to sustain itself forever.
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22442524 · 3 points · Posted at 20:17:32 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
No one knows if he even would be back. Maybe chaos noms him before he can. Maybe he does come back, only to face Abaddon wielding the one thing that can put him down forever, the end of empires.
All in all, Emps is just a background piece, not a character anymore. It works better if the Deus ex machina was used, failed, and now we are left fighting for the scraps of light before the night comes.
[deleted] · 5 points · Posted at 20:30:04 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
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22442524 · 3 points · Posted at 20:40:26 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
The end of empires almost did him in back in the webway, and it will always keep up. It's his own anathema. Armsbadman is just a vehicle.
DagonG2021 · 3 points · Posted at 22:37:58 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
His brain is shattered like glass, and the psychic scream of agony he produces is what allows ships to travel the Warp.
He sure as hell didn’t plan that.
MrLameJokes · 27 points · Posted at 16:58:00 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Humans are just pale Orks confirmed
Hurter_of_Feelings · 13 points · Posted at 17:02:40 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)*
Digganobz intensifies
Pecuthegreat · 3 points · Posted at 17:33:59 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Well, Humans are space orks after all.
ryry117 · 16 points · Posted at 17:01:55 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)*
No that's just a joke. Most orks don't even know who the Emperor is.
intrigbagarn · 3 points · Posted at 22:23:06 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
all they know is shootas, dakkas, big mek & WAAAGH!
delightfuldinosaur · 7 points · Posted at 19:33:13 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
That's a theory, but it would be hilarious if Abbadon got to Terra and stabbed Big E...but he didn't die because he's shielded by Ork belief.
Josiador · 2 points · Posted at 22:17:22 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
No. That. is. not. how. Orks. work.
artificeintel · 1 points · Posted at 23:57:55 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
It could be if I can convince GW to let me write a 40K book and have them publish it. ;P
Cinderheart · 1 points · Posted at 20:59:22 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
The ork power of belief is overstated. Does it exist? Yes. But much of it is due to tech priests not understanding ork technology and instead chalking it up to "magic" that they worked at all. Red ones do go faster, but ork guns still need bullets. Also, the power has a range, more orks in 1 place, the bigger the wah and the more wah energy around. The emperor is likely too far away for any of that to matter.
artificeintel · 1 points · Posted at 23:03:21 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Plot twist. O_0
Mind you I really do expect a lot of orks would pay good scrap to get to fight with the big ‘Oomie himself
Hurter_of_Feelings · 7 points · Posted at 17:01:46 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
heretical cackling
artificeintel · 1 points · Posted at 23:00:26 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Heretics. See, this is why we can’t have nice things.
GwennithMezriel · 2 points · Posted at 20:49:57 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
100% worth. Without the monolith that is the man emperor the Emperium would surely fall.
Pantheon73 · 1 points · Posted at 16:53:35 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
hehe...
squiddy555 · 1 points · Posted at 17:28:46 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Wait wasn’t it anyone. Not just Psykers
artificeintel · 1 points · Posted at 22:16:32 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
I’ve only ever heard Psykers. I mean, I’m theory anything but a null would work, but you’d need a lot of vanilla humans to match the psychic energy in one psyker.
Edit: this is making me wonder if you could fuel it with other races. Just grow orcs in captivity and use them, since they all have some level of link to the warp (in order to fuel the waaaaaaagh field).
UpboatOrNoBoat · 1 points · Posted at 19:24:52 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
I thought the psyker sacrifice is to keep the Astronomicon going, p sure Emps stays alive as long as the Golden Throne is powered.
Cinderheart · 2 points · Posted at 20:59:41 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
The emps is the astronomicon at this point.
artificeintel · 1 points · Posted at 22:14:58 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Pretty sure it’s both. I think the emperor fuels/generates the Astronomicon, but I think he himself requires the psykers.
300andWhat · 1 points · Posted at 20:23:54 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Wait, I thought he died? And he requires 1000 humans a day to survive? Damn
artificeintel · 2 points · Posted at 22:13:45 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
“In the far future of humanity this much is certain: no matter what happens, you will not be remembered.”
Azgabeth · 18 points · Posted at 17:12:49 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
ALL HAIL THE GOD EMPEROR!!!
IronAndFlame · 20 points · Posted at 17:10:39 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
He's only alive caus the orcs think he can't die.
Thefriendlyfaceplant · 15 points · Posted at 18:07:26 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Well, they're right then, aren't they?
IronAndFlame · 7 points · Posted at 21:04:37 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Da wa boys always wight
arufai · 3 points · Posted at 20:38:13 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
this theory is probably true
LordAnon5703 · 3 points · Posted at 18:24:15 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
This is now canon.
Cosmic_Mind89 · 6 points · Posted at 17:59:02 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Would have worked if he had just Exterminatused Lorgar's homeworld instead of rescuing him
Imperator_Romulus476 · 9 points · Posted at 17:05:41 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Also the Soul King in Bleach lol
Smith_Winston_6079 · 3 points · Posted at 18:07:41 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Based and sacrificing a thousand psykers everday pilled.
7DS_is_neat · 2 points · Posted at 17:58:37 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
FOR THE EMPEROR
notbobby125 · 2 points · Posted at 20:52:28 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Just add a text to speech device it will be fine.
Cvlt_ov_the_tomato · 2 points · Posted at 01:37:09 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Didn't that end up leading to the worst future possible, where the emperor doesn't exactly rule since he's the equivalent of a vegetable and life sucks because if you're not killed in the latest WAGHHHHH, you'll probably be eaten by Tyranids?
Szwedu111 · 2 points · Posted at 01:49:39 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Based and...wait, is that a GREEN AND RED I SEE? ARE YOU AN ORK?!
Vivid-Air7029 · 2 points · Posted at 21:40:09 on February 10, 2022 · (Permalink)
Umm I think it’s clearly a chess moment
squiddy555 · -2 points · Posted at 17:28:03 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Remember when 40k said sacrificing 1000 people a day to keep the king alive, and thus galactic economy. was such a terrible thing. Unthinkable even.
More then a thousand Covid deaths a day (average) since September in America. Alone. And we could lock down any time… just have any basic precautions… at all
Thefriendlyfaceplant · 11 points · Posted at 18:10:24 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Not sacrificing them would cause human civilization to crumble.
squiddy555 · 7 points · Posted at 18:29:21 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
It would cause the warp to fail. Well kinda. Basically the emperor in in a catatonic state and his presence makes this North Star like point in the warp. It’s used to navigate the warp in a safe enough way. So you know where you’re going.
That brings me to the battle maidens. A group of all female crusades who drop churches from low orbit, and they are so fucking cool
Thefriendlyfaceplant · 5 points · Posted at 18:33:54 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
I was talking about the covid patients.
squiddy555 · 6 points · Posted at 18:39:02 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
I’m taking about people who drop TACTICAL ATTACK CHURCHES from orbit.
Thefriendlyfaceplant · 3 points · Posted at 18:40:22 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Yeah we never tried that. Imagine how many lives we could've saved.
squiddy555 · 2 points · Posted at 18:40:46 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Or ended!
29Jackal · 3 points · Posted at 19:33:09 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
I like your reasoning
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 20:53:04 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)*
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Pantheon73 · 1 points · Posted at 22:15:18 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
With what?
VaassIsDaass · 1 points · Posted at 01:58:10 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
God-emperor is only alive because orks think he is too badass to die change my mind.
Voice-tan · 65 points · Posted at 17:10:51 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Elizabeth II moment
Skitterleap · 75 points · Posted at 16:26:20 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Cyber monarchy when?
Pecuthegreat · 17 points · Posted at 17:34:25 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Like Machine Government?
[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 01:42:54 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
I advocate for rex machina, it is immoral for any human being to hold authority over another, but ultimately necessary until machine administrators can be created
Valkrins · 3 points · Posted at 03:12:44 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
The episode of Futurama where bender is king, yes.
ProjectD13X · 9 points · Posted at 19:10:51 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Thermonuclear blockchain monarchy NOW
Duke_of_Lombardy · 7 points · Posted at 18:34:57 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
arasaka moment
Brazilian_Slaughter · 2 points · Posted at 22:25:00 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
In 2052
Fastfood9000 · 53 points · Posted at 16:49:28 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
immortal God emperor time
dovahkin1989 · 15 points · Posted at 17:38:11 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
How will he get the crusader stat and the Pope's gold if I don't send him to Jerusalem.
[deleted] · 24 points · Posted at 17:37:22 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Based and chess pilled
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SkollFenrirson · 3 points · Posted at 19:49:01 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
The King is dead. Long live the King.
Noskal_Borg · 3 points · Posted at 22:58:48 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Jesus Christ can't die twice, he is best candidate for king of world 😏.
Tig3rShark · 2 points · Posted at 20:01:55 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Aoe2 regicide mode players be like:
Left-Onion8927 · 2 points · Posted at 20:06:52 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
North Korea moment
Pretty_Monitor1221 · 2 points · Posted at 20:40:09 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Yeah imagine having a kind who dies LMAO. At least we in north Korea have our invincible god like supreme leader who will never die
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 18:14:15 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Have one Chad son with good stats that's groomed for leadership. Murder, disinherit, and force to take vows the rest of your worthless hell spawn that just want to break up your duchy.
tmoney144 · 1 points · Posted at 00:33:31 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Or use Tanistry
xFueresx · 1 points · Posted at 21:46:00 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
AI for a king, it’ll learn and become the best king of kings
VixzerZ · 1 points · Posted at 22:13:12 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)*
Just don't let the king have kids with related by blood people, Inbreeding was/is still a terrible thing.
Edit:grammar correction.
tyen0 · 1 points · Posted at 22:25:21 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
like making sandwiches with meat in the bread? ;p
VixzerZ · 1 points · Posted at 22:29:14 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Lol, I meant to say Inbreeding
Sorry. ;P
tyen0 · 1 points · Posted at 22:24:28 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
7 hours later and no one has pointed out the solution to this problem via cloning in The Foundation? :D
Brazilian_Slaughter · 1 points · Posted at 22:25:22 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Deus Ex moment.
PatnarDannesman · 1 points · Posted at 23:39:02 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Sad Prince Charles noises.
Zeriell · 1 points · Posted at 00:13:59 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Just turn your dead king into capture the flag
Coorssmoors · 1 points · Posted at 02:16:32 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Don't let the crown be inherited by a blood family member and adopt the Roman tradition of adopting an heir from outside the family a la the Nerva-Antonine Dynasty. Just don't Marcus Aurelius fuck it up again.
Rager001 · 1 points · Posted at 15:12:15 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Time for a Sunday School lesson!
What do we say Christ is called again??
Little Timmy in the back!
We say that Jesus Christ is "The ____" what?
wave_327 · 613 points · Posted at 15:30:37 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
basically Thailand, and now that I say this I'm gonna get arrested the moment I step foot there
jojoblogs · 267 points · Posted at 20:26:14 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Thailand is too shit to track everybody’s internet traffic don’t worry
-_______________-_- · 51 points · Posted at 00:31:08 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Absolutely correct.
NerdyGamerTH · 56 points · Posted at 00:05:48 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)*
basically the old king's cult of personality basically fell apart within like 6 years after his death
and fun fact: the old king's cult of personality was built up with CIA assistance during the cold war
-_______________-_- · 28 points · Posted at 00:32:49 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
6 years is generous in my opinion, but yeah, I think the people are pretty much "done" with the concept.
ImeWegrahah · 2 points · Posted at 12:33:16 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Wait. Source?
(btw pls don't arrest me yet)
NerdyGamerTH · 2 points · Posted at 12:49:50 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
not sure what the exact name is but theres a book that apparently has details of US and the CIA's involvement with the thai government during the cold war
xx_mashugana_xx · 74 points · Posted at 21:35:56 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Once knew a guy who worked for the Thai government who absolutely hated their king at the time. He was very upset about how work went.
camjam20xx · 1293 points · Posted at 15:25:06 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
whoops hunting accident, I weep for our king, the late Ivan von dingleberry ): who will rule in his stead?
The shadowy advisories of the court? Maybe the uncle who felt cheated? The kings daught- jk no women, hmmm lets fracture the kingdom and have war!
LHC_Timeline_Refugee · 691 points · Posted at 15:42:19 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
How dare you forget the three year old rightful heir! His regent will surely act purely for the good of the kingdom!
[deleted] · 256 points · Posted at 16:12:28 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
"look we didn't want to kill you and your family, i promise you it is the wish of the 3y old king, I'm not gonna go against the wish of our wise monarch"
Lukthar123 · 91 points · Posted at 17:40:28 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Just wait until that kid reaches adulthood. There's gonna be more blood than on a japanese dolphin hunt.
austrian_monarchist · 8 points · Posted at 02:14:39 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
dolphin?
WorkingNo6161 · 1 points · Posted at 09:43:09 on March 1, 2022 · (Permalink)
Fucker.
Handarthol · 30 points · Posted at 18:17:04 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
The most righteous of 3 year olds joust their regents off the balcony with a hobby horse
nofoax · 15 points · Posted at 20:54:25 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
This infant was chosen by God to rule our fair land -- what is your decree, baby king?
nerfyourmomsboobs · 3 points · Posted at 10:56:59 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
These words made my CK2 player senses tingle
WirBrauchenRum · 88 points · Posted at 16:23:53 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Give me a second, I need to see if I live on land administered by Count Chaddeus or Baron Wojack de Soy. Not sure who I'll be fighting for yet!
camjam20xx · 53 points · Posted at 16:32:37 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
my family has been loyal to the chaddeus line for generations! oh hey the neighboring kingdom across the sea needs a new bookkeeper, good luck everybody else!
[deleted] · 130 points · Posted at 16:04:46 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Ulfric Stormcloak is the true High King!
wait wrong monarchy
NVdeathclaw · 62 points · Posted at 16:07:15 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)*
Elective monarchy stormcloak waifu's.
berdking · 44 points · Posted at 16:15:41 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)*
He's the acting high king until a moot can safely be convened. To anyone who wasn't a direct observer, Ulfric successfully challenged the throne, and he'd obviously be elected if skyrim stayed independent for long enough.
It is a monarchy in practice, he just wants to stroke his ego
Offduty_shill · 12 points · Posted at 20:44:09 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
But he defeated king torrig in fair combat. Such is the custom of Skyrim and all NORDS
berdking · 6 points · Posted at 21:09:05 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
It wasn't fair combat though. It'd be like challenging someone to a fist fight and then immediately shooting them in the head
Offduty_shill · 7 points · Posted at 21:12:52 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Not ulfrics fault king bitchboy can't shout.
But I was mostly referencing an NPC line lol
berdking · 3 points · Posted at 21:40:10 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Oh my b, it's been a few years
[deleted] · -2 points · Posted at 23:10:34 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
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flair-checking-bot · 2 points · Posted at 23:10:44 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)*
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Insanefinn · 2 points · Posted at 18:46:49 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
If skyrim's monarchy was elective, the thane of every hold ever could probably become the ruler, don't you think?
berdking · 4 points · Posted at 19:08:33 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)*
No, a thane is just an honorary title for a land owner within a hold, think like a knight. An important political role, but pretty far down the line of succession for jarl, if in it at all.
Unless they were able to force themselves into the position of jarl, hold it, and then curry favor with their new equals
Insanefinn · 3 points · Posted at 19:39:52 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
What I am saying is that the dragonborn is on good terms with every single jarl if they wish and their other deeds shouldn't go unnoticed either. What I am saying is that the dragonborn should be the high king
berdking · 3 points · Posted at 19:47:51 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
They do have high favor, but their politcal experience is pretty much limited to favors and the occasional military advising. It's unlikely they'd get any real consideration.
[deleted] · 5 points · Posted at 20:06:53 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
I mean, Ulfric's experience is pretty limited to murder and making the Dhovahkin win a war for him.
22442524 · 4 points · Posted at 20:19:43 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
He was the son of the Jarl. He got more education than most n*rds.
PinkTrench · 1 points · Posted at 20:18:01 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Yeah....that's my major problem with the Civil War storyline.
There should have been a "marry into a Jarls family" option to become High King. Maybe even marrying Elisef or Ulfric directly.
berdking · 2 points · Posted at 21:48:24 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
The civil war was supposed to be way more important than it was, they just ran out of time. It's a shame Bethesda has to hit those holiday sales, maybe their shit wouldn't need to be modded if they could push the release dates back
gurthanix · 1 points · Posted at 09:20:55 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
They've been selling new editions of Skyrim for the past 10 years. There's been plenty of time to add in missing content, they're just too cheap to do it.
berdking · 1 points · Posted at 15:03:40 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Or they know if they did that they'd charge more and get people like you reeeing harder over re-releasing.
The current gen skyrim is free if you have the previous gen, which was ten dollars if you had the original 32bit
Anon_Monon · 20 points · Posted at 16:32:12 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
"Democracy," meanwhile only the Jarls get a vote.
IAmA_TheOneWhoKnocks · 1 points · Posted at 20:39:55 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
I mean, the American version of “democracy” isn’t much better. We elect people to cast our votes for us and then when everyone says “So, you’re gonna at least try to get this bipartisan bill through, right?” The person we chose is always like “Hmmm… nah.” We almost never have a direct say in what goes on in the legislatures.
Now that’s democracy in action!
Anon_Monon · 7 points · Posted at 20:44:18 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
That's by design, you know. The founding fathers were very conscious of the dangers of "overdosing" on democracy.
Brazilian_Slaughter · 5 points · Posted at 22:29:34 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
They wanted to create a Democracy, they wanted a Representative Republic. Some retards nowadays call Representative Republics Democracies, for some reason. Drop an Athenian in the average "Democratic Nation", he wouldn't see any democracy in sight.
IAmA_TheOneWhoKnocks · 3 points · Posted at 23:20:17 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
I believe that's literally correct. Hannah Arendt outlines this in her analytical poli-sci classic On Revolution when she explains that the founding fathers leaned towards a constitutional republic because they feared an "elective despotism" of simple majority rule. There's something to be considered there, for sure, but mostly cutting the people off from almost all decision-making seems like the wrong choice to me.
A republic sounds nice until those reps start becoming less and less representative of the people and their interests. A system where we have to vote on most/all of the decisions ourselves may sound perhaps a little tedious at times, but I'd much rather deal with that than never have a real say in anything.
Anon_Monon · 3 points · Posted at 23:23:12 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Do you think it would be right for the residents of New York and California to decide every election because of their high population, while the "fly over" states get essentially no political representation?
IAmA_TheOneWhoKnocks · 3 points · Posted at 23:55:34 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)*
That's one of the given reasons that the founding fathers turned their noses up at actual democracy. In our current system, though, residents of small states have like twice the voting power of residents of large states, but still the people themselves from any of those states aren't the ones voting on actual decisions, just the reps and the prez. I'm not really taking an actual stance one way or the other in this regard, though.
Perhaps the actual issue here is centralization of the government. The US is almost large enough to be a continent in itself. It's hard to say that the House of Representatives actually represents you in any real way when the great majority of them you didn't pick and are from totally different parts of the country with perhaps different interests at heart. A focus on a more localized, decentralized state of affairs would almost certainly better represent the people of that region.
Anon_Monon · 4 points · Posted at 23:59:02 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
I disagree with you, but thank you for taking the time to actually write out your opinion to share it with me. I appreciate you sharing your thoughts, hope you have a great night bro.
classicalySarcastic · 2 points · Posted at 22:25:42 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Yeah but the fact that the entire system can grind to a complete and utter halt for TWELVE GODDAMN YEARS because of one or two people that have a hard-on for obstruction (lookin' at you, Mitch and Joe) is ABSOLUTELY a design flaw. I very much doubt the founding fathers intended for the President to have to rule by executive order because congress is fundamentally unable to do jackshit.
Necro42 · 2 points · Posted at 00:40:55 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)*
nah actually I’d argue that way too much power has consolidated into the executive and that the founding fathers (and esp george) never wanted the executive ruling by fiat via executive order spam (ESPECIALLY ONES THEY KNOW ARE UNCONSTITUTIONAL). Congress should be obstructionist. They can and do pass necessary bills all the time, but the big and controversial ones are obstructed unless one party has decent majority as they ought to be. Congress has problems but much of it has to do with all the overpacking they try to do with every bill so they dont have to go on record voting for something
JohnTheMoron · 10 points · Posted at 16:13:13 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Fucking hyper based
Ceapple · 5 points · Posted at 16:26:13 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Elective Monarchy*
[deleted] · 5 points · Posted at 16:42:24 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
I remember when Ulfric ruled PCM and I can tell you he was terrible. Just terrible. The worst. That's why he was scrubbed from the PCM history books and now nobody knows of him.
ghostmetalblack · 2 points · Posted at 17:08:38 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Damn elves!
Zantre · 1 points · Posted at 20:33:58 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Down with Ulfric the killer of kings, on the day of your death we will drink and we'll sing
[deleted] · 4 points · Posted at 21:13:52 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Damn faithless Imperials!
Big_E_parenting_book · 15 points · Posted at 21:40:41 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Based and 3 year old nephews are more legitimate than women pilled
Brazilian_Slaughter · 7 points · Posted at 22:35:01 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
There were places where kingdom inheritance goes to nephews, sons of sisters. The logic goes that everyone is 100% sure who their mother is, therefore the King knows who his mother is, and he also knows his sister is truly his sister by his mother, therefore his sister's son is definitively his nephew by blood.
I think it was popular in West Africa.
basedcount_bot · 1 points · Posted at 21:40:57 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
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AntifaLad · 14 points · Posted at 17:26:47 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Based and crusader-kings-2 pilled
Handarthol · 9 points · Posted at 18:16:22 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
I would like to press the strong claim of my son Bernard l'Inbredia to the kingdom of dingleberry that he inherited by marrying my sister, who in turn inherited the claim from her daughter's husband's slave's owner. Accept this claim or have war.
UnassailableApex · 5 points · Posted at 19:41:36 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
What if we have a two party democracy, but both parties are more and more fervent about not accepting the outcome of the elections as the years go on.
Sounds like a stable method of governance to me.
camjam20xx · -1 points · Posted at 19:55:38 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
well your a grilling centrist so I can only assume your being serious or donkey brained....or dare I say seriously donkey brained
danshakuimo · 1 points · Posted at 23:30:57 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
It would be interesting if they had this type of dystopian government in a work of fiction like a book, movie, or book. Definitely a new take on the classic clichés that we have all the time.
[deleted] · 4 points · Posted at 16:09:44 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Bruh I thought you were going off game of thrones for a minute
camjam20xx · 10 points · Posted at 16:30:10 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
fiction or reality this shit happened a lot, murder-->power grab-->war
but yeah game thrones is a prime example
Jarl_Ivarr · 5 points · Posted at 20:06:32 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
It was based on The War of the Roses for a reason. Wiped out 2 royal lines and a good portion of the other nobility. Reality is sometimes more brutal than any fiction.
Boobr · 2 points · Posted at 17:38:59 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
I'm getting EU4 flashbacks...
camjam20xx · 2 points · Posted at 19:16:47 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
I'm numb to most forms of pain, but -1 stab, that hurts the most
poli421 · 1 points · Posted at 17:55:58 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
The best system we can come up with plunges the country we claim to love so much into civil war once a generation. What’s so wrong about that?
Master3530 · 1 points · Posted at 17:39:14 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
In Poland we actually had a woman king
Audrey_spino · 1 points · Posted at 21:41:44 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
So did Russia and a lot of other countries.
HeemeyerDidNoWrong · 1 points · Posted at 02:58:32 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
A king named Rufus was intolerable. It's like having President Keith.
Upbeat-Page-1805 · 1 points · Posted at 06:25:02 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
En*land moment
WorkingNo6161 · 1 points · Posted at 09:43:45 on March 1, 2022 · (Permalink)
This... somebody's watching Game of Thrones again.
My_Cringy_Video · 776 points · Posted at 15:00:46 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Status should be determined by whoever has the coolest hat
AloofBalloon · 274 points · Posted at 15:07:37 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Based and TF2 pilled
jmqnc · 61 points · Posted at 15:41:43 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Give me that hat
ThreatLevelNoonday · 3 points · Posted at 19:33:17 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
I am consistently shocked that the hat simulator genre didn't blow up like Mobas or 'jump out of a flying bus into a shrinking circle to fight people' games did.
boy_beauty · 1 points · Posted at 01:13:54 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
The reason why was because tournament organizers said it was too hard to spectate.
Then we got Overwatch a few years later :)
ThreatLevelNoonday · 1 points · Posted at 02:56:08 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
hang on a minute.
....are you telling me overwatch has hats now?
boy_beauty · 1 points · Posted at 16:46:00 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Sadly, no. The game is dead and buried and Blizzard are trying to make Overwatch 2 a thing.
But if people hadn't been so stupid, TF2 would be in Overwatch's place right now and we would have achieved world peace.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 01:47:06 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
More like "crash course history with John green" pilled
[deleted] · 213 points · Posted at 15:05:40 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Based and hat pilled
[deleted] · 71 points · Posted at 15:50:24 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Jews lose and Mexican folk singers win
UnlimitedPowell · 65 points · Posted at 16:52:12 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Well you've sold the authcenters on it
Nevermind
Positron311 · 23 points · Posted at 17:04:27 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
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Aarakokra · 16 points · Posted at 17:04:37 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
I disagree
[deleted] · 23 points · Posted at 17:06:15 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Okay the orthodox jews have some awesome hats
raymondduck · 13 points · Posted at 17:36:04 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
I live in an area with loads of orthodox jews and they wear smaller versions of that hat with long black overcoats when it's 90 degrees out. It's absolutely mad. The hats are genuinely cool though.
thematrix578 · 5 points · Posted at 18:08:33 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
LA or Miami?
raymondduck · 5 points · Posted at 19:08:47 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
LA
hay_guysss · 3 points · Posted at 18:35:37 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Chasidim, they tend to come in flocks.
raymondduck · 3 points · Posted at 19:09:42 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Oh yeah. The sidewalks are filled with them on Fridays after Temple.
silverhydra · 12 points · Posted at 17:08:55 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
A worthy adversary for Suleiman the Onion Lord
Veni_Vidi_Legi · 2 points · Posted at 18:31:59 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Those are like $5000 each!
ThreatLevelNoonday · 2 points · Posted at 19:34:41 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Wait, why do jews lose. Look at this dude's hat:
https://nosweatshakespeare.com/characters/shylock-merchant-of-venice/
That's a cool hat.
RehabValedictorian · 1 points · Posted at 21:44:59 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Idk Korean grooms are up there too
IrshamWindborn · 25 points · Posted at 16:26:58 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
So the Ottoman Empire?
Positron311 · 9 points · Posted at 17:04:48 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Based and turban pilled
[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 20:48:18 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
No, the Ottoman Empire offered the coolest hat to whichever heir murdered his brothers fastest.
Some___Guy___ · 21 points · Posted at 15:19:48 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Based and the-right-honourable-lord-mayor-of-London-pilled
umarcola · 19 points · Posted at 15:37:34 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
You just described Team Fortress 2.
turbowo · 9 points · Posted at 15:25:22 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Based and hat fashion caste system pilled
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programofuse · 7 points · Posted at 15:42:24 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
So monarchism? Them crowns do be dapper
[deleted] · 5 points · Posted at 16:20:57 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
All hail king Jamiroquai?
Mammoth_Frosting_014 · 2 points · Posted at 16:43:32 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Oh no, I lost a war of succession! But I don't have any money...
Upbeat-Page-1805 · 2 points · Posted at 06:27:29 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Does boat hair count
Reptile449 · 0 points · Posted at 17:47:01 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Based and WAAAAAGH! pilled
o_joo · 0 points · Posted at 18:20:12 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
so MAGA hat
Hvesterlos · 1 points · Posted at 16:55:54 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Based.
Sir_Elm · 1 points · Posted at 17:42:01 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Throughout history, men have worn hats as a way of asserting dominance over other men. “I buy hats,” a behatted man seems to say. “I am better than you.”
In wartime, hats were a useful way of conferring rank, and ensuring that casualties were confined to the lower classes (hence the famous command of “Don't fire till you see the tops of their heads” at the Battle of Bunker Hill by William Prescott, a general renowned for only shooting enemy combatants who were poor). During peacetime, hats have been instrumental for men to let the non-hatted know just who is wearing the hat around here.
vincen2309 · 1 points · Posted at 17:52:42 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Exactly! How you think Swedens monarchy is so popular? The king wears the best hats!
Jarl_Ivarr · 1 points · Posted at 19:58:15 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
We seem to have a Dawi-Zharr in our midst gentlemen. To arms!
Expensive-Anxiety-63 · 1 points · Posted at 20:19:58 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Silly Hats Only!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEiyBbP28g8
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classicalySarcastic · 1 points · Posted at 22:30:01 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
BRB going to go buy a ten gallon hat
byzantinelvr · 182 points · Posted at 15:47:17 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
My average ck3 game be like
Revelationret · 166 points · Posted at 16:18:47 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Your current King: Herculean, Genius, Beautiful, 15/15/25/22/20 stats
Your next King: Stupid, Lover's Pox, Dwarf, Frail, 8/4/6/7/10 stats
Paliacki · 79 points · Posted at 17:27:34 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
The latter will end up getting "the Great" moniker because he had enough piety to ask pope for money which allowed you to finally form the empire. Meanwhile the former is "the Fishy" or "the Bully"
PeasantTS · 37 points · Posted at 18:18:13 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Known in his epitaph just as a great partier, despite having conquered 90% of the current empire, just because he throwed 4 parties in his life time.
Veni_Vidi_Legi · 27 points · Posted at 19:26:35 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
He also built a wall and a dock, but got too drunk near a goat once.
Handarthol · 11 points · Posted at 18:21:05 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
The lovers pox tells me this guy probably isn't very pious
jojoblogs · 3 points · Posted at 20:28:37 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
No, just that his wife isn’t
danshakuimo · 3 points · Posted at 23:33:51 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Or maybe his wife isn't
Handarthol · 2 points · Posted at 23:38:40 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Or he just cheesed his crusade contribution a lot
Atanar · -2 points · Posted at 19:46:48 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
"the great" is also usually not well earned in history. Alexander was really just a very, very sucessful highway robber, he achieved nothing but total chaos. Catherine was so great that on the onset of Stalinism people still though "yeah, this is still better than going back to Tsar rulership".
[deleted] · 4 points · Posted at 20:24:20 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
You're off by over a century. Catherine the Great died in 1796, Stalin took power in the 1920's. Catherine got the 'Great' epitaph in large part because she left behind a stable Tsardom. It was more so the century of moronic tyrants between her and Stalin that made people open to Stalinism.
SnuggleMuffin42 · 2 points · Posted at 21:17:18 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Was true in CKII. In CKIII they give you these "dynasty perks" that can basically guarantee elite stats for all family members and heirs. It's pretty dumb, makes the game too easy, and kills role playing.
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LoreMasterJack · 1 points · Posted at 21:56:55 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
“This is you, unfortunately.”
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 01:48:47 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
It makes the game interesting and softens snowballing, offering many chances for rises and falls, though I suppose it ain't fun for peasants.
HeemeyerDidNoWrong · 1 points · Posted at 02:59:11 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Just get immortality through the power of Satan.
Alpha_pro2019 · 594 points · Posted at 15:58:03 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Problem with non-monarchies is for some reason the people tend to vote in the latter.
seventyeightmm · 97 points · Posted at 17:23:06 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Bummer, guess all government is illegitimate.
*whistles contentedly while climbing up his tree*
Alpha_pro2019 · 69 points · Posted at 17:50:28 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
The only legitimate government is the one I'm in control of.
seventyeightmm · 31 points · Posted at 17:58:06 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Here is your tree, call it a government if you'd like, its yours.
World Peace achieved
Hey, wait, your tree has more bananas than my tree...
Alpha_pro2019 · 24 points · Posted at 18:12:52 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Your tree? No, they are all my trees. And my bananas.
dacooljamaican · 13 points · Posted at 22:03:30 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Auth Left: Our bananas
Lib Right: Chiquita's bananas
Lib Left: They can be peaches if they want to
RepulsivePilot4 · 3 points · Posted at 22:24:48 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Auth-right: the moment the bananas turn color from green to yellow, they are made into banana bread and put into the oven.
dacooljamaican · 3 points · Posted at 23:10:23 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
I hate to be that guy but you usually make banana bread from bananas that are starting to go bad, usually you want a LOT of brown spots on the bananas first, makes them much more fragrant and easier to bake with.
Also I would have thought the brown aspect would have been the go-to here for an Auth-Right joke.
RepulsivePilot4 · 2 points · Posted at 23:12:32 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Dang it, I swung and missed at the obvious joke. Feels bad, man.
Veni_Vidi_Legi · 1 points · Posted at 19:24:44 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Have you ever heard of the Tropical Race 4 banana fungus?
ItIsKevin · 2 points · Posted at 23:38:09 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Based
Xoilicec · 2 points · Posted at 00:30:31 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Based
rexpimpwagen · 1 points · Posted at 23:41:52 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
No me.
TrilithideMachina · 0 points · Posted at 00:01:26 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
B-Based
happinessmachine · 1 points · Posted at 01:46:36 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
*alpha monkey sees you climbing up his tree*
"not so fast. oo aa"
Aarakokra · 206 points · Posted at 17:06:35 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
The population votes for what sounds good, and often do so based on envy and identity politics. You want a system where the majority of people are property owners so they vote in the interests of someone who owns property and wants the government to fuck off of it
I’m not a georgist but if Georgism can do that than I would love to see someone try to apply it in action.
C3LM3R · 14 points · Posted at 19:03:28 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Let me start this with saying, there is no perfect system and eventually they will all get abused:
In the case of system where only land owners vote, how do you combat the centralization of voting rights around land-owners who specifically buy up as much land as possible (as is their right) to monopolize their power?
Aarakokra · 13 points · Posted at 19:46:34 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
I'm not arguing for a system where only land owners vote, I'm arguing for a system that would make most people land owners so that most people, voting in their own interests, will vote for policies that encourage property rights
11711510111411009710 · 9 points · Posted at 21:07:44 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
So if we were to implement this, would we take all of the land and distribute it to everybody, or a certain percentage of people? Like how would we ensure the majority of people are land owners?
DarkLordFluffyBoots · 9 points · Posted at 22:24:10 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Tax system most likely. Georgists want there to only be a tax on land value so land ceases to be a viable investment. Then it would become cheap enough that everyone could own land while still providing enough revenue for the government to function and provide services. The Distributist Hilaire Belloc proposed that a differential tax should be levied on the sale of land and the size of that tax would depend on if the sale worked towards a wide or narrow distribution of property. Basically, if a man with a lot of property sells to someone with no property he should pay little to no tax. If someone sells to someone with a lot of property already the tax on the sale should be high. This would encourage a wider distribution of property over time.
11711510111411009710 · 6 points · Posted at 23:02:12 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Ah I see. That's actually quite interesting. I'm gonna read more about it, thank you.
Aarakokra · 2 points · Posted at 01:42:07 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Yep, georgists advocate for a land value tax system
Aarakokra · 1 points · Posted at 04:48:07 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Land value tax, basically, taxes are based on how much your land is worth. This incentivizes people to maximize the use of their land, preventing things like urban sprawl. In theory, if the taxes are high enough, you would see landlording occur minimally.
I do see a few holes in the theory of course, but it's interesting
C3LM3R · 2 points · Posted at 20:24:04 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Thanks for the clarification. I like the premise, but increased land ownership immediately has me wondering about problems of even more urban sprawl. Not to say I don't agree about increasing land ownership, it just raises a new set of challenges.
Aarakokra · 2 points · Posted at 21:02:03 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
I’ve heard that a land value tax system could actually help reduce urban sprawl, let me pull up the thing I saw
Guaymaster · 1 points · Posted at 22:08:41 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Isn't suburbs what we need to get rid of? I thought cities had the least carbon impact, as everyone just lives on top of each other and you can walk everywhere.
Aarakokra · 1 points · Posted at 05:32:02 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
yes exactly. Reduce urban sprawl. Urban sprawl is the rapid expansion of the geographic extent of cities and towns
SprucedUpSpices · 2 points · Posted at 09:42:47 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
This sounds sensible, but in Spain we have 76% home ownership rate and people still vote for governments that defend and promote squatting. As in, if you get squatters on your second home, the only legal way to get them out is through a lengthy years long legal process and you need to keep paying the electricity/gas/water bills through that time.
People vote against their own interests all the time.
Awobbie · 5 points · Posted at 17:46:49 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
That presumes that the majority of the voting population even knows what would be in the interests of property owners and small government, and were firm enough in that knowledge that they couldn’t be persuaded by good advertising.
Aarakokra · 1 points · Posted at 18:25:47 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Exactly, by having the population be property owners than they vote in their own interests
[deleted] · 4 points · Posted at 18:29:42 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Your interests are dogshit. Mine are clearly superior.
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Aarakokra · 2 points · Posted at 18:31:02 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
No, because you’re in the enemy tribe and my tribe is good 😡
Awobbie · 3 points · Posted at 18:36:15 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Obesity rates and the drug addiction epidemics show that the people don’t always know what’s in their own best interests. Which is whatever when they are choosing things that only affect themselves, but what they vote for affects me too.
mrcrazy_monkey · 42 points · Posted at 17:34:43 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
In the states, when people were settling, you could only vote if you bought property in the area cause that ment you were investing in the areas future instead of just looking for free handouts. This lead to successful communities and forced all the people looking for free handouts further west till they settled in California
ieilael · 88 points · Posted at 17:52:23 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Why would anyone go to the American frontier looking for free handouts? Everybody knows it's hard and dangerous out there. That makes zero sense, you would stay closer to civilization and government if you wanted to be a mooch.
rusty_programmer · 28 points · Posted at 18:26:55 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Because they lied and it holds no basis in reality.
spacemagicexo539 · 19 points · Posted at 17:58:14 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Many people went during the gold rush, which was basically gambling. There was a tiny chance you’ll end up a millionaire, and that was enough for people to track across the country. Now build a society off of those people.
a_noble_kaz · 37 points · Posted at 18:08:39 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
This is a gross oversimplification. California has had many population booms owing to the building of railroads, agriculture, shipping, and film industries just to name a few. Yes, California famously had a gold rush that resulted in a huge population boom, but the gold rush is a small blip on the radar. It was indeed a catalyst of sorts, but most people not from California (and some from there) seriously underestimate the size and geopolitical diversity of the state.
spacemagicexo539 · -1 points · Posted at 18:42:25 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
It was a gross simplification, as was the comment I responded to. I was just trying to say people weren’t honest, hard working pioneers just because they went west
rusty_programmer · 10 points · Posted at 18:30:10 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
People come to California for work, historically. Almost all of the families in the area I live in came here during the Great Depression and Dust Bowl from the Midwest.
ChaosLordSamNiell · 3 points · Posted at 19:49:05 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Because they have no idea what the fuck they are talking about.
zZCycoZz · 12 points · Posted at 18:46:13 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Because being right wing means just making shit up and hoping people believe you
disturbedcraka · 16 points · Posted at 19:08:35 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
zZCycoZz · -3 points · Posted at 19:40:12 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Maybe the people you know.
disturbedcraka · 5 points · Posted at 19:52:40 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Lmao if you think the phenomenon of people pulling shit out of their ass on the spot is exclusive to one political ideology you really need to interact with more people.
zZCycoZz · -1 points · Posted at 20:03:15 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Not exclusive to the right, definitely their standard practice though. This sub being a prime example.
disturbedcraka · 3 points · Posted at 20:30:46 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Lol sure dude, let's just pretend the entirety of the Left hasn't been reduced to a hive mind of NPCs believing in a fictional make believe world defined by corporate media for the past several years. The coming right wing backlash across the west has nothing to do with the Left's utter detachment from reality, I assure you.
Jarl_Ivarr · 2 points · Posted at 20:23:19 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
And almost every other slightly political sub showing the exact same tendency from the American left. Hes right dude. Basically everyone pulls dumb and easily disproven "facts" out of their ass and the ideology eats it up. When the reality is actually shown its too late as the damage has been done and then the morons (L&R) hop on the next overly sensationalized bullshit. Left and right aren't 2 magically different types of people where only their side doesn't play mind games and attempt to generate support for their cause.
zZCycoZz · -2 points · Posted at 20:26:47 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Theres sensationalism and then theres outright lies. The right wing is known for outright lies. You guys supported trump for fucks sake. Whataboutism doesnt change the fact right wing news is 90% lies and opinions.
Jarl_Ivarr · 0 points · Posted at 21:23:05 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Never supported Trump a day in my life. Maybe talk about shit that you know instead of bullshitting through things you don't. And what the fuck about my statement made you think I believe the shit Republicans are selling? This isn't whstaboutism. Its truth. The Democratic party, for the most part, lies in a more subtle way than Republicans who will scream to the sky about the baby-eating lizard people if they think it will bring them more votes. [D] tends to either stretch a singular grain of truth well past the breaking point, or will pull the wool down around a lie and say, "well its the Republicans fault because of x,y,z." Remember the last hurrah of a drone strike that took place in the final hours of US engagement in Afghanistan? How long did the Biden admin continue to parrot that it was a good strike and neutralized a known IS agent? And then when it was too big to contain the fact they murdered a dozen innocent people, most of them children, did they spin the story that "our intel source was faulty". Fuck, they said it was that same Intel that told them he was a bomber. They knew within hours whether it was a good strike and tried to cover it up for days.
And all I have to bring up for another is the 2016 DNC collaboration and corruption that was literally shown and subsequently ignored by democrats from then on.
I'm not going to go any further with this because I honestly don't care, and I can recognize you are so far up a parties ass that you will always find guilt with the "bad guys" and excuse or ignore the scandals in your own house. Once you actually denounce your parties and dismantle them to start anew, maybe we can actually have some constructive conversations in this country.
zZCycoZz · 2 points · Posted at 21:24:35 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Lmao at you thinking i suport the dems. Fuck joe biden and fuck the republicans as well. All a bunch of corrupt bastards
Jarl_Ivarr · 0 points · Posted at 21:30:09 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Then I'll be mature enough to admit I'm wrong about something. The context clues I had i.e. your consistent accusation of only right wing politics, with references to American right wing specifically, pushed the notion you supported the opposition, which is the American "left" Democrats. You haven't really addressed anything else though, so you could very likely just be lying. Who knows?
zZCycoZz · 2 points · Posted at 21:40:37 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
I respect you for admitting that. Both parties are bought by the same people. If you want politics without corruption you need campaigns which arent financed by large donors and a ban on politicians taking jobs with the companies theyre meant to be regulating.
Jarl_Ivarr · 0 points · Posted at 21:44:13 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Dude I'm monke in the fullest terms. I believe that tribalism is an honest way to bring balance without corruption. I don't disagree with you because you support one party over the other, I disagree with your supporting of any style of High governance overall. We all are idealists in our own way and I know people think that tribalism leads to many bad things and ya know what? They're right. But every other government example they can give me doesn't fill me with hope either.
disturbedcraka · 1 points · Posted at 21:36:29 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Fucking 10/10 irony considering the start of this chain
Jarl_Ivarr · 1 points · Posted at 21:40:42 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
What did I say that was false? I only use examples I could find sources and media reports for, and anyone can easily scan through any political subreddit to find wild batcrazy stories regarding American Republicans and their voters.
disturbedcraka · 1 points · Posted at 21:49:26 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Nah I was agreeing with you you're 100% spot on, I meant the other guy spewing shit out of his ass is the height of irony after he started this off by claiming only Right wingers make up shit on the spot.
Jarl_Ivarr · 1 points · Posted at 21:51:16 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Aight my bad, was honestly wondering why a right winger would be attacking me for being fair about their chosen quadrant.
disturbedcraka · 2 points · Posted at 21:55:49 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
How dare you act in a fair and balanced manner on the internet, I mean the sheer audacity of people these days
Jarl_Ivarr · 2 points · Posted at 21:57:08 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
I mean, have you been on reddit? Lol
TheKillerToast · 1 points · Posted at 04:37:45 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
He never said only just that conservatism is dependant on lies
csdspartans7 · 2 points · Posted at 19:10:05 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Am a right winger, can confirm
FlowersnFunds · 8 points · Posted at 18:48:55 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Lmao homesteaders were looking for “free handouts”? This can’t be serious
a_noble_kaz · 45 points · Posted at 17:54:28 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
This is easily one of the dumbest comments I've ever read on this site lmao
The earliest forms of an independent California government were all Ranchero families, ie landowners.
Americans that later settled and held power were all businessman and landowners.
I literally don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
ChaosLordSamNiell · 7 points · Posted at 19:50:32 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
People forget California was a swing state up until 1992.
stationhollow · 1 points · Posted at 01:55:11 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Because Regean fucked the state when he did his amnesty for all illegals former turning it blue forever.
burnlikefiyah · 20 points · Posted at 18:38:25 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
some people are just so mad over california existing that they have to make up fake history to act like it has always been libtard capital of the world, as if the entire republican party platform isn't just concentrated worship of some californian guy...
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mrcrazy_monkey · -3 points · Posted at 19:54:13 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Maybe you shouldn't take everything you read on the internet as super serious. Lmao
[deleted] · -2 points · Posted at 17:47:33 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Explains a lot actually
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 18:55:51 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Aaaaaand there's your problem
Aarakokra · 1 points · Posted at 18:57:42 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
How would a monarchy be better for preserving freedom private property rights?
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 19:05:26 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
As opposed to what other form of governance? Monarchy is also a broad term so you'll need to be specific. Are we talking absolute monarchy, constitutional monarchy, parliamentary monarchy, or what? I have a feeling that you and I have very different definitions of "freedom" anyway.
Aarakokra · 1 points · Posted at 19:53:33 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Freedom is the right to do as you please as long as it doesn't harm others, the right to own property and do what you wish with your property. I would say I also value the prosperity that comes from freedom, and social cohesion (which to me means the ability to trust your neighbor and the local policeman, knowing they won't try to steal from you or murder you, and instead have your bests interests at heart)
(of course, for a lot of that stuff political change is only half the battle, you also need to have a culture that values those things, and every society becomes decadent and broken after a long enough time period)
do you think monarchy would be a better system for enabling those things in a society? And why would that be the case?
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 21:07:30 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)*
No, I don't think this is right. Freedom is possessing the right and ability to obey human reason, seek moral good/virtue, and to strive after your last end/telos without forsaking the common good (which includes private property), disturbing rightful order, or falling into moral decadence.
You didn't specify which form of monarchy, so I can only be general. Essentially, the origin of democracy and republicanism ultimately are based in classical liberal principles. Liberalism bases truth claims in the subjective, for example, social contract theory. However, it has no mechanism of ensuring that the population's agreed upon social contract is encouraged or consistent with true freedom and liberty. In fact, I think it actually contains some mechanisms, albeit possibly unintended, that encourage the gradual erosion of freedom and liberty, such as the separation of church and state and the separation of the purpose of law from the final end/telos of humanity. I think you actually acknowledge that a bit here:
In my studies, I have come to see that the law is pedagogical. You cannot ever ensure a completely moral populace, but you can uphold standards and privilege those who follow it. I also have not seen that monarchy has struggled with these problems to the same extent unless it also starts instituting policies based in classical liberal principals like democratic votes or the separation of Church and State. There are, of course, exceptions to every rule. I won't deny you on that, but, ultimately, I do think monarchy is preferable.
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 19:12:10 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
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Aarakokra · 2 points · Posted at 19:48:49 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
I don't think you read what I wrote. I said I want a system that makes most people into property owners, not a system where only property owners can vote.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 21:33:57 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
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DarkLordFluffyBoots · 2 points · Posted at 22:25:17 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Tax the value of land so that it ceases to be a viable long term investment. It will only be used for home ownership and business development.
Guaymaster · 1 points · Posted at 22:05:34 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Assign property to people at birth, make it non-transactionable. The value of the property would be exclusively what you do with it.
If you run out of properties for the new people just conquer your neighbours for lebensraum.
TheBurningEmu · 3 points · Posted at 18:17:24 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
How the hell would you get most people to own property these days? Your system either means you have to forcibly divide large properties and give them away, or have a "democracy" where most people can't and never will be able to vote.
Aarakokra · 2 points · Posted at 18:23:12 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Georgism would disincentivize renting out property through a land value tax without the absolutely godawful idea of forcibly distributing plots of land
TheBurningEmu · 9 points · Posted at 18:35:54 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Unless you had rent controls (which in a system where only landowners vote would never happen), then any amount of tax can be mitigated by raising rent on property you rent out. There's no reason to sell it off, especially since selling it weakens your own political power as one of the exclusive "voting class" of landowners.
Aarakokra · -1 points · Posted at 18:43:56 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Rent controls 🤮
DarkLordFluffyBoots · 1 points · Posted at 22:19:56 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Distributism also supports a wide distribution of private property
EpicEfar · 1 points · Posted at 22:50:44 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Based and sees the cat pilled
xlbeutel · 1 points · Posted at 03:28:08 on February 7, 2022 · (Permalink)
Property ownership is such an arbitrary measurement though. I know many people who hold much wealth but still rent.
Considering land is finite, it's virtually impossible to make everyone a landowner.
red_ball_express · 10 points · Posted at 17:44:33 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Imagine trusting technocrats rather than the people.
Alpha_pro2019 · 17 points · Posted at 17:51:04 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
I think the people have proven they are 100% untrustworthy.
At least technocrats are 80% untrustworthy.
disturbedcraka · 5 points · Posted at 19:10:02 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Implying technocrat doesn't extend from people
red_ball_express · 1 points · Posted at 22:16:32 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
It's the exact opposite. The people vote for the interests of themselves, and the technocrats try and keep their own interests above the interests of the people. And technocrats are retards.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 03:23:56 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)*
Short term interests of themselves*. I love the fact that nothing are done to combat unsustainable housing prices due to homeowners ability to effectively veto every election in just about every democacy on earth.
red_ball_express · 1 points · Posted at 14:00:13 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
I don't even know what that means.
SprucedUpSpices · 1 points · Posted at 09:46:28 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
They don't.
red_ball_express · 1 points · Posted at 14:01:10 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Why wouldn't they?
HzPips · 2 points · Posted at 18:38:54 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
That’s why well designed democracies have checks to executive authority
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 21:39:46 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
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Guaymaster · 2 points · Posted at 21:58:57 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
RNG-based republic when
fishbulbx · 11 points · Posted at 17:25:01 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
At least there is one thing we can all agree on, giving women the right to vote was a mistake.
Martbell · 19 points · Posted at 17:41:46 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
For decades men and women voted mostly the same. It wasn't until the 1980s that voting patterns between the sexes began to diverge.
Even today it's mostly single women who are driving the statistical imbalance. Married women still vote mostly the same as married men.
Austin-137 · 8 points · Posted at 17:48:55 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Young, single women are the easiest demographic to persuade.
TruckADuck42 · 10 points · Posted at 18:10:00 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
At the risk of sounding like a dick, it makes sense. More easily swayed by emotional rhetoric, and without a significant other to argue against it.
To be sure, men also have emotionally-driven opinions, but it seems to me we tend to hold to those opinions more.
FireHazard11 · -2 points · Posted at 19:36:50 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Lol, you're a fucking idiot if you think that women are less emotionally stable than men.
TruckADuck42 · 3 points · Posted at 19:48:11 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
I didn't say that. I said they are more easily swayed by emotional arguments. "Think of the children" type stuff. On average, of course.
FireHazard11 · -3 points · Posted at 19:57:03 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
The only way you can honestly believe that bullshit is if you conveniently define your opinions as rational and women's as emotional. Men are every bit as susceptible to emotion based rhetoric as women are.
CrabClawAngry · 2 points · Posted at 20:04:14 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Yeah but man emotions like anger don't count
C3LM3R · 2 points · Posted at 19:06:04 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
And you say that based off what kinds of facts or science, exactly?
FireHazard11 · 0 points · Posted at 19:37:01 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Their ass.
Austin-137 · 3 points · Posted at 21:10:38 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
I made it up.
FireHazard11 · 1 points · Posted at 21:12:15 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
We know.
Captain_Riker · 0 points · Posted at 18:06:26 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
So, are you perhaps suggesting that we raise the voting age for women specifically to 25-27. As that's when they get married on average.
Austin-137 · 3 points · Posted at 18:23:48 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Did I even allude to that? No. Don’t put words in people’s mouths, that’s how shit hits the fan real quick. I don’t treat blacks differently than whites “despite”. And I’m not treating women differently than men either. It’s just an observation that should be made.
Captain_Riker · 0 points · Posted at 19:22:50 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Lmao, ur mad. Possibly even seething
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wow you're such an epic troller lmao
Captain_Riker · 1 points · Posted at 03:48:31 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
We do a little trolling folks
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CoolGuy10002 · 2 points · Posted at 17:41:48 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
And that's why parliament system > presidential system
drugusingthrowaway · 0 points · Posted at 17:52:00 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
The people tend to vote for someone they feel represents them.
It's smush-heads all the way down.
GreenAppleCZ · 0 points · Posted at 18:28:03 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
That is why I think most young people are libleft.
Because they don't care about the principles of their country, and if there's something they would like to change through politics, they want their lives to become less shitty. And as we all should know, the left is mostly about society.
While the right lets people decide about their personal life, where they need to act on their own, the left would like to engage in the problems of people and society.
But the thing is, politics should be about the international trades and corporations, about laws and stuff like that, not about the questions of religion or LGBTQ, because these problems should be solved by the society without the need of the government's interference.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 18:06:30 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
I think Plato or Aristotle said democracy is the least worse politic system, but is has some flaws (as you said, people tend to vote for their convenience and not the most appropriate politic)
[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 21:45:32 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
They also said democracy inevitably becomes oligarchy, and the oligarchy is eventually destroyed by a tyrant.
Monarchism is the natural state of mankind. History always regresses to the mean.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 19:24:48 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Democracy works when the majority of voters still remember the hard times and what caused them. When those generations die and the new voters only remember everything always magically improving around them, things start to turn bad.
SartosaTrap · 672 points · Posted at 15:45:32 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Whereas in a democracy you get that retarded ruler every 4-8 years.
Bunny_tornado · 273 points · Posted at 16:11:51 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Or 20+ like in Russia and Syria
rm_-rf_slashstar · 177 points · Posted at 17:19:32 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
My two favorite examples of functioning democracies: Russia and Syria.
Upbeat-Page-1805 · 3 points · Posted at 06:31:10 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Don't forget North Korea, with their one candidate for president and puppet parties for the "people's assembly"
LITERALLY_A_TYRANID · 9 points · Posted at 21:05:24 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Assad the Lion has outlived everyone who has tried to oust him from power.
He’s actively had the most brutal terrorist regime in modern history operating on his doorstep (Israel) AND ISIS AND America trying to sabotage him through covert warfare and he still came out on top.
ChocoOranges · 8 points · Posted at 23:58:50 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Far right <<shake hands>> Far left
Being Assad simps
LITERALLY_A_TYRANID · 3 points · Posted at 00:24:49 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
You can make a low effort highlighter meme out of that
rm_-rf_slashstar · 13 points · Posted at 21:18:00 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Truly the North Star of democracy.
RepulsivePilot4 · 3 points · Posted at 22:26:03 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Just because his neighbors are shit doesn’t excuse his piss-poor governance.
mailusernamepassword · 114 points · Posted at 16:22:00 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
or 14-16 years if the first retard manages to put an even more retarded in his place like in Brazil
[deleted] · 32 points · Posted at 18:29:01 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
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Wilhelm II’s daughter Victoria 😩😫
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TheEqualAtheist · 6 points · Posted at 19:41:08 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
You say this word but I do not think it means what you think it means.
mailusernamepassword · 9 points · Posted at 19:43:14 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
guy called me a retard and I'm proving I'm one indeed
TheEqualAtheist · 3 points · Posted at 19:49:15 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
For what it's worth, this random internet stranger doesn't think you're a retard. Just possibly partially blind.
baubeauftragter · 3 points · Posted at 21:40:46 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Just because I called you a retard does not mean you get to call yourself retarded. Check your privilege, Bigot.
mailusernamepassword · 2 points · Posted at 22:22:30 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Accodingly to Orange, I don't have many priviledges because I'm a latinx
Upbeat-Page-1805 · 2 points · Posted at 06:33:30 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Except for that one guy that didn't
Karl_fallout4 · 22 points · Posted at 18:05:32 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
seethe harder assad is eternal
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SartosaTrap · 71 points · Posted at 16:25:44 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Do you really think assad is retarded?
He has all of (western) and isrseli media leveled against him. So of course he will look bad/evil. But i dont think he is retsrded.
As for russia. I disagree with putin on...everything. but i dont think he is retarded. And neither was the czar pre-communism.
Aarakokra · 23 points · Posted at 16:55:12 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Should we tell him about the oil barrels
Drachos · 20 points · Posted at 18:01:42 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
I mean its worth noting that the US trained Afghan and Iraqi military, AND paid and trained counter Assad forces. They helped select the leaders of those groups.
Yet (excluding the Kurds) the Syrian Rebels got fucked by both ISIS and Assad's forces. The Iraqi military and its leadership buckled before ISIS. And 10 years of training couldn't give the Afghan government or Military a hope in hell of beating the Taliban.
Assad's plans seem stupid.... and maybe some of them are. But he is still standing and everyone we have backed in the region is not.
(excluding Sauldi Arabia of course. Despite loosing basically every conflict they have ever been in, money does buy stability, I'll give them that.
Oh and Israel. I must acknowledge they have chewed up everything thrown their way.)
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 20:08:15 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Being less incompetent than the US-backed rebels isn't exactly a major commendation for him. It's better than being dumber than them, but still a very lower bar to clear.
Drachos · 0 points · Posted at 04:25:57 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Assad fought ISIS so he at least gets "Better then US backed government and US trained Foreign military."
So its a SLIGHTLY higher bar.
Whats embarrassing is that the US used to be so good at this. Step 1) Send Marshall Green to a country on a diplomatic mission. Step 2) Coup happens and competent pro US government takes control.
And while he couped his way across Asia, several other US diplomats did it across South America.
Yet somehow in the early 90s it all falls apart.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 04:30:59 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Except USA has been terrible at this art for a long time. We have always been great at toppling regimes until recently but the new regime usually sucks. Hell look at Liberia that's our fault for the last 200 years
Drachos · 1 points · Posted at 17:35:47 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Depends on what you want in a Regime. If you want a democracy, yeah the US hasn't had any success at that. However if you want a Authoritarian state like Assad's that controls or eliminates terrorist/communist activity, the US has a fairly good history till the late 90s.
Lets start with Marshall Green's whose work basically always went well.
South Korea: Green arrives, Park Chung-hee came to power as a dictator who is basically responsible for SK getting the ecconomic boom we remember as the 'Miracle on the Han River'
Indonesia: Green showed up, and the Transition to the New Order began ousting President Sukarno, and killing half a million people, mostly communists AND turned the alignment of the Indonesian government away from China/Russia and towards Western powers.
Australia: Marshal Green showed up, talked to a few people, and then the only Prime Minister of Australia has had that was hostile to the US was toppled and a new PM was elected in his place. This secured Pine Gap and the ANZUS alliance to this day.
I would also argue Operation Condor was a success. Ignoring Venezuela (which didn't see the rise of the Bolivarian government till 1997, 8 years after Conder's conclusion) it successfully dealt with any Communist rebels in South America and kept the area capitalist.
Lets be clear, I wouldn't want to live in these states.... but they achieved the US's objectives.
Veni_Vidi_Legi · 6 points · Posted at 17:53:12 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
American here, desire to know more intensifies.
Source: https://taskandpurpose.com/news/space-force-defense-budget-2020/
Aarakokra · 9 points · Posted at 18:25:08 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Bombing supposedly rebel villages that disagree with him using a horrible mixture of tnt and random metal shrapnel such as cut up bits of rebar inside of an oil barrel. Often they’ll wait for more people to rush to the scene of the damage to help the wounded, and then bomb those people too.
______NSA______ · 20 points · Posted at 19:07:28 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
What a savage.
He should just bomb supposedly rebel villages that disagree with him using drones. Then wait for more people to rush to the scene of the damage to help the wounded, and then drone strike those people too.
That's what civilized people do.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-24557333
Scorosin · 7 points · Posted at 19:44:29 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
You my friend are the most based lib I have ever met you have my respect and my admiration.
LITERALLY_A_TYRANID · 6 points · Posted at 21:06:34 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
He should just use white phosphorus on civilians like Israel does
Aura_Spher3 · 7 points · Posted at 20:33:28 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Wasn't that a mongol tactic? You know, let the survivors come back thinking the danger has passed and then strike again.
Aarakokra · 2 points · Posted at 21:01:20 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
I’d imagine so. The mongols were so fucking horrible, I don’t understand how anyone could think they did good for history
Veni_Vidi_Legi · 2 points · Posted at 18:29:21 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Oh the barrel bombs.
Eric1491625 · 16 points · Posted at 18:39:23 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Assad is extremely intelligent, he knew exactly how to pull off the Syria war. Either he or someone advising him is 200IQ.
It is impossible to beat a force with the full support of the US and the West, so what do you do? Make the rebels unsupportable by tainting them with terrorists.
"It's Assad or we burn the whole region" was their slogan, and Assad achieved it by ordering the release of thousands of imprisoned jihadists and targeting only the moderate elements in the war.
This tactic was very innovative. It was a scorched earth strategy, except instead of scorching the earth with fire, Assad scorched it with terrorists.
By the time the slow US government was thinking about escalating anything, the moderate rebels had been dominated over by extremists because Assad had successfully tainted the movement, and it really was either Assad or terrorists - so there was no longer any political will to oust Assad.
OwO-aniquilador · 2 points · Posted at 19:32:29 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Isn't Assad based though,
he wanted to be a the doctor of the teeth or the metal strings of the teeth doctor doctor im Britannica.
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123skh123 · 1 points · Posted at 17:39:24 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
“Fighting terrorists is like video game”
Yop_BombNA · 3 points · Posted at 18:09:53 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Or you just elect a Trudeau monarchy when they come of age.
TomNobleX · 3 points · Posted at 18:40:43 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Can't Mossad the Assad
Upbeat-Page-1805 · 1 points · Posted at 06:32:28 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Or forever for Kim Il Sung
MrNature73 · 62 points · Posted at 16:25:23 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
And?
Then we get them out every 4-8 years. That, combined with the lack of dynasties or similar traditional means of passing down power, results in a system more capable of changing and growing.
Nonetheless, I believe democracy is growing stale. A form of combined federal meritocratic technocracy merged with local partial democratic republics would be, imho, the best thing to evolve into.
Giocri · 44 points · Posted at 17:04:06 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
The problem with meritocracy and technocracy is that whatever metrics by which you determine who is worthy are inevitably going to be biased and not rappresentative of actual competence and even the most competent person can have desires in direct contrast with what is good for the people.
MrNature73 · 11 points · Posted at 17:16:23 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
That's an issue in working on in my first book of theory, titled Post-Animalism. I, personally, believe we've been dragging our feet, letting capitalism and democracy stagnate and only dredging up archaic, failed systems like communism to "replace" them. It's time for something new, and I'm gonna write it.
Tzozfg · 6 points · Posted at 19:25:55 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Another manifesto, huh. Other guy's right though. Merit for what? That's wicked subjective and what happens to the people at the bottom of the totem pole? If a society doesn't allow for self actualization on as wide a scale as possible, it's failed because freeing time to self actualize is literally the only reason to contribute to one.
MrNature73 · 3 points · Posted at 20:35:00 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Merit based on a structured, elective system. I get where you're coming from, but that's like asking "the president is elected? By who?"
Which is a good question with an answer.
And so I'll answer what I have so far. Do note this is a theoretical system I'm still actively working on and not the finalized version of what I'll public.
First, there's no "president".
Second, I'm expanding upon the concept of a Congress, and adjusting it. One of my biggest issues, right now, is that Congress creates three letter agencies that then bypass the law making process (ATF, DEA, so on and so forth). It's broken.
So, the first portion of government, which I'll call the Station Assembly, or just "the Assembly"
This consists of the leaders of every Station (referred to as Principals), and five elected members from every Station (referred to as Speakers). This will be explained in just a moment.
Every Station represents a different field. Some basic examples will be Agriculture, Law & Order, Defense, Infrastructure, etc etc. It will also include scientific ends, such as Space, Energy, Information Technology. It will try to maintain 12 or less Stations, with a cap of 24.
The Assembly creates and votes upon federal laws and bills that are considered cross-station. In addition, the Assembly provides a final vote on any Station-passed laws.
There's two stages to a bill being finalized. Whenever a Station passes a bill, it moves to the Assembly and goes to Minor Vote, voted on by the Speaker and The Speakers of the original station count as 1 votes, and the Principal counts as 3. It simply requires more 'yes' notes than 'no'. This gives the Principal more power, but provides our first check with the Speakers being able to override the Principal if they all vote No (a 5-4 decision).
After it passes here, it then goes to the Major Vote. The Station where the bill originated from doesn't vote here; instead, every other station does. Every Station gets 1 vote total. The Principal of every Station counts as 5/10 vote (1/2 station total voting power), and every Speaker gets 1/10 vote. To deny a bill, the rest of the Assembly has to total more votes than Yes votes made during the Minor Vote.
I.E., if it passes with 6 Yes votes during the Minor Vote, the Major Vote needs more than 6 No votes to shut it down.
This is our second check, and it's a doozy. This gives the Speakers of each Station more power to deny in the Major Vote, as they can lower the barrier to turning the bill down. Additionally, it means that the rest of the Assembly can turn down other Station's bills. It also means that the more confident a Station is in their bill, the more difficult it is to shut it down.
In the starting 12 station assembly, this means that it takes over 81% of votes (11 stations voting) to veto a 9 Point Bill. However, with a weaker, say, 6 Point Bill, it takes just over 61% to turn it down.
Now, let's talk about the second group. Stations. As discussed before, Stations represent the different facets of what the federal government manages. Space, agriculture, health, etc etc.
Each station consists of 61 members. These members are split into 4 groups.
1 member is the Principal.
5 are Speakers.
15 are Masters.
40 are Adepts.
1/5/15/40. 61 members.
This works similar to congress, too. Each Station drafts and votes on bills. As one note, Adepts cannot submit bills.
This system also works on a point-based voting system.
Adepts get 1 vote.
Masters get 5 votes.
Speakers get 15 votes.
Uniquely, Principals do not get to vote. To prevent too high a concentration of power, their voting strength is relegated to the Assembly.
This is a simple system. 5 adepts can override a Masters vote. 5 Masters can override a Speakers vote. It's, again, relatively simple. They draft bills, discuss, and pass to the Assembly.
One note, Bills must be 25 pages or under, and cannot have unrelated riders (which is handled later). This is because riders are a fucking cancer.
The truly unique part of Stations is how each group is elected. They have to be elected up. Every election cycle (which varies, explained below), your subordinates elect you. It's a system that encourages mobility and flushing out old blood.
One note, this uses a ranked voting system, and when votes are cast, every possible option must be ranked (except when voting Adepts, explained later).
Every Principal cycle, every Master and Adept votes in a new Principal, or votes to keep the current Principal.. Speakers don't vote. The voters retain their voting power, and the individual must be a current Speaker.
Every Speaker cycle, every Adept votes. They elect new Speakers from either the current Speakers or current Masters.
This system means those in power cannot just appeal to those in power to retain it. Those below them must vote them up. This acts as a check on those in power.
The Adept cycle is a bit more unique. Here, every skilled member of society votes. Which leads us into our third part of government...
The People.
Adepts are votes in by people. However, even this is ranked.
It's relatively simple. There's 7 rankings of individuals, called Representation Class, and it's basically college. Layman, Tutor, Laborer, Associate, Bachelor's, Master, Doctor.
Associate through Bachelor's are simple. They pull from a total pool of votes, equal to 1/5 the total Layman population of the country. In addition, each has 5x the voting power of the prior level of education.
Let's say, for example, the country has a Layman population of 3,120, and for easy reference, let's say there's only 1 of each education level. The Associate would have a voting power of 10, the Bachelor 50, the Master 250, the doctor 1250.
This means that if >20% of the laymen vote against a new Adept, they'll be turned down. While this would be rare, as there's a LOT of Adepts, it gives the people the opportunity to shut them down.
Layman's are either individuals with no education, and that do not work in the respective field they're voting for. Uniquely, they cannot vote for Adepts, only against.
Tutors are individuals with any level of college education that does not relate to the station they're voting for. Their votes count as 1/10 an Associate's vote, so 1 in our example.
Labors are individual who aren't educated in a Stations field, but are working in the field of said Station. Their vote counts as 1/2 of an associate's vote.
Now here's where thing get fancy.
Representation Equality Division
RED is our first 3 letter agency, but operates differently than any today. Their job is to manage the rankings of individuals without an education, or in a Station that doesn't exactly use education (military).
People can apply to the RED to have their Representation Class increased. This can range from something as simple as "I've been a farmer for 20 years, I have a doctor's equivalent education in it", to "I'm a general, obviously I'm a doctor", to people who make great strides without an education.
I'm still hammering the exact parts of this out.
Supreme Court
I love the supreme court, frankly. I think it's a genius system. I'm still hammering out my version of it, but it's similar and acts as a similar check to the other branches. They can vote things unconstitutional, manage major legal disputes, set legal precedent, etc etc.
Education, to the highest level, must be free. This whole system is focused on power fluidity, mobility and preventing stagnation. If education is locked behind a paywall, that grinds to an immediate halt.
Universal healthcare and a UBI to be established. This doesn't need to be much at first, but a UBI would be implemented to help individuals. Eventually, with a focus in automation and good taxes, it'd be the goal to let people live off of this. However, there's a few caveats.
The goal of the UBI is to free people from the NEED to work, which should be a goal of mankind. However, that doesn't make it free.
One, there's a physical requirement. This is a requirement, whether you want the UBi or not. Every individual must maintain a good level of physical health. They don't have to do this on their own, the government will provide help and healthcare. And if an individual fails, they aren't immediately cut. They're provided help, and given time to recover. We aren't perfect.
But should an individual fail, and refuse to improve, they lose all government benefits and are taxed higher.
Obviously, medical exceptions will be made on a case by case basis.
This is applied because it's a fact that good physical health is good for mental health. A healthy, educated populace is a strong populace.
In addition, mental healthcare is provided, and another necessity. If you have something say, like, schizophrenia, you have to take meds for it.
Military service is mandatory from 18-22. This couples with teaching individuals unity and plays into the physical health above.
Two parent households are encouraged, and even given tax benefits. Gender and sexual orientation doesn't matter.
Minimum wage automatically adjusts for inflation. On top, the goal is for on individual to be able to support a 2 parent, 3 child household by the time they're 35 years old.
This plays into the above. One of the facets of post animalism is balance. In this case, it's simple. One, society should expect two parent households, caring for their kids. However, society should also make that as easily obtainable as possible.
Obviously, there's much more. But that's what I feel like sharing.
Tzozfg · 2 points · Posted at 20:48:15 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
OK, it's good that you got it out, that's important for exploring thoughts, but this is the first time I'll say that I'm not reading all of that. I just don't have the time; I work as a welder in a manufacturing environment, I have errands, kids, a pregnant partner--but I'm interested. So here's what I want you to do, if you would be so kind. In the interest of making this more digestable for anyone who reads this, as well as making it easier for you to convey to people in the future, I want you to tell me the purpose of each structure rather than the mechanics of it. For example, "the Supreme Court exists to determine the federal interpretation of the constitution." Obviously what it is and how it works is way more complex than that, but that's the general purpose, and if I have questions about how these things work we can drill down from there. Are you up for that?
MrNature73 · 2 points · Posted at 21:24:38 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Yeah I'm down, just not this minute. I'm at work, I'm a jeweler.
Respond to this message and I'll leave it on unread until I have time to respond, that way I don't forget.
Tzozfg · 1 points · Posted at 21:45:53 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Cool just answer this reply when you can
Vivalas · 1 points · Posted at 20:59:32 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
I'll have to give this a look-y over, but I do have a quick question from a cursory skim of it: do you think literally having rankings for people in society would be a good thing? I can only imagine an even more stratified and self-obssessed society than we have now. Think of how pretentious and narcissistic people are already, now imagine giving them literal rankings that determine their access to the political process. Meritocracy is ideal, but remember that the more jealous and covet-y we get of each other in society, the less stable the society becomes. Kinda like with how marriage and basic ethical codes are more or less universal across the beginning of human history, since we naturally tend to form these sorts of moral structures to keep society from devolving into a monke-kill-monke for breeding rights type deal.
MrNature73 · 2 points · Posted at 21:23:41 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
You're thinking of a traditional, rigid caste system. Which is bad.
What's proposed here is a fluid system. One think of note, there's only one way up. You have to be voted in by those "below" you.
This means the system maintain itself from the bottom up. Those in power cannot use their own power to sustain said power.
On top of that, there's always going to be classes. Not defining them and providing clear, forward ways to climb them is unhealthy.
In this system, for example, if you stay at the bottom class (politically, not socially or financially), the government will help support you. However, you'll have the least possible power to change the government.
This is by design. Staying there is 100% your choice. It's built on rewarding merit and drive, but also providing a clear way to move up.
It's fluid and highly mobile.
Giocri · -4 points · Posted at 17:31:20 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
I personally think the solution is farely simple we should just make our society more democratic and educate people better, we need people to learn to recognize propaganda and to have a good enough understanding of the world to hold leaders accountable for their decisions, once we have that I feel like democracy would be the most reliable system.
ObviousTroll37 · 9 points · Posted at 17:41:01 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Oh you sweet summer child
personisguy · 1 points · Posted at 19:27:49 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
based and about-to-be-an-author-pilled
Jarl_Ivarr · 1 points · Posted at 20:16:15 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Pre-octavian Rome (Cursus Honorum) was a relatively stable State. Different offices to do their assigned duties and little interference allowed. Balance was increased by the Tribune of the Plebs, pre-Sulla at least so the ordinary people wouldn't get trampled. And with 2 consuls, the power of a king was balanced between 2 people, preventing any single man becoming too powerful.
Is it still susceptible to corruption? Yeah, but so is absolute democracy, Monarchy, and basically every other system we've tried.
Xciv · 2 points · Posted at 13:20:40 on February 8, 2022 · (Permalink)
Very sad and very much what happened to China. They implement the imperial state examinations and it was at first a powerful form of meritocracy that pulled intelligent capable people out of backwater villages and put them in charge of running the country.
But over time it just became a way to test people on their ability to memorize Confucian texts and super outdated philosophies that did not prepare the bureacratic scholarly class for how to handle major 19th century issues like British Imperialism, Industrialisation, Opium Addiction, and Hyperinflation.
SartosaTrap · 81 points · Posted at 16:26:44 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
And never replaced with a good leader.
Aarakokra · 3 points · Posted at 16:56:01 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
At the very least we do have a few good leaders but no one can agree on who the good leaders are
triggerhappy5 · -17 points · Posted at 16:36:42 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Ok
SartosaTrap · 34 points · Posted at 16:44:06 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Are you implying that the guy who doesnt like democracy must be a monarchist?
You realize there are more forms of government in a libcenter than just democracy.
Neon_Monkey · 8 points · Posted at 20:05:37 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Libcenter
Retarded take
Makes sense to me
Hvesterlos · 24 points · Posted at 16:55:13 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
I mean, there’s the Trudeau, Bush, and the Kennedy families, but I see your point. Having 4-5 royal families is superior, as you can have 4-5 different flavours of shit sandwich, instead of just one.
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xlbeutel · 1 points · Posted at 03:29:00 on February 7, 2022 · (Permalink)
I mean one is politically hated now and the other is kinda doomed to die any time they get close to the presidency so I guess it balances?
Drachos · 6 points · Posted at 18:07:41 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
The Bush's, Clinton's, Kennedy's, Rooservelt's, Tafts', and GOD knows how many state based political families, agree with you whole heartedly. No dynasty system here.
Sure you get the occational Obama, but lets not forget that SOMEHOW the US democratic system forms very powerful Dynesties in a way that anywhere else is limited to Lords and Ladies.
ProjectD13X · 2 points · Posted at 20:21:00 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Going full Cathedral is the last thing you'd want if you're libright bucko
ImperialTechnology · 3 points · Posted at 17:57:47 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Democracy does not preclude aristocracy and dynasties. The Aristocratic Republic is one of the most well known "democratic" forms of the ancient world, and has been adapted today with the countless political dynasties and machines from a few select families.
America doesn't have a landed aristocracy, but saying we have no dynasties is incorrect.
cakeisgreat · 1 points · Posted at 20:43:00 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Lack of dynasties? Have you not been paying attention to the last 60 years?
MrNature73 · 3 points · Posted at 21:26:53 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
I have, and that proves my point. 60 years?
None of the families other are claiming dynasties. I'm talking shit like the Zhou dynasty, that ran china for eight centuries.
Democracy isn't perfect but I'll take "60 years with a couple families having too much power" over "800 years of absolute rule by one name".
cakeisgreat · 1 points · Posted at 21:41:54 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
This guy thinks its just gonna be 60 years lol
MantisPRIME · 0 points · Posted at 18:00:56 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Slow down their, China. Democratic politicians also are the type of people who want to win popularity contests, so there's already a personality filter on the job. Royalty are just regular people, but rich.
MrNature73 · 3 points · Posted at 20:36:30 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
How am I china? Lmao.
MantisPRIME · 0 points · Posted at 01:16:21 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
MrNature73 · 2 points · Posted at 01:20:39 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
That's... Nothing like china.
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KingOfTheNightfort · 1 points · Posted at 20:30:22 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
I want to know more.
MrNature73 · 1 points · Posted at 20:36:08 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Copy and pasting response.
Merit based on a structured, elective system. I get where you're coming from, but that's like asking "the president is elected? By who?"
Which is a good question with an answer.
And so I'll answer what I have so far. Do note this is a theoretical system I'm still actively working on and not the finalized version of what I'll public.
First, there's no "president".
Second, I'm expanding upon the concept of a Congress, and adjusting it. One of my biggest issues, right now, is that Congress creates three letter agencies that then bypass the law making process (ATF, DEA, so on and so forth). It's broken.
So, the first portion of government, which I'll call the Station Assembly, or just "the Assembly"
This consists of the leaders of every Station (referred to as Principals), and five elected members from every Station (referred to as Speakers). This will be explained in just a moment.
Every Station represents a different field. Some basic examples will be Agriculture, Law & Order, Defense, Infrastructure, etc etc. It will also include scientific ends, such as Space, Energy, Information Technology. It will try to maintain 12 or less Stations, with a cap of 24.
The Assembly creates and votes upon federal laws and bills that are considered cross-station. In addition, the Assembly provides a final vote on any Station-passed laws.
There's two stages to a bill being finalized. Whenever a Station passes a bill, it moves to the Assembly and goes to Minor Vote, voted on by the Speaker and The Speakers of the original station count as 1 votes, and the Principal counts as 3. It simply requires more 'yes' notes than 'no'. This gives the Principal more power, but provides our first check with the Speakers being able to override the Principal if they all vote No (a 5-4 decision).
After it passes here, it then goes to the Major Vote. The Station where the bill originated from doesn't vote here; instead, every other station does. Every Station gets 1 vote total. The Principal of every Station counts as 5/10 vote (1/2 station total voting power), and every Speaker gets 1/10 vote. To deny a bill, the rest of the Assembly has to total more votes than Yes votes made during the Minor Vote.
I.E., if it passes with 6 Yes votes during the Minor Vote, the Major Vote needs more than 6 No votes to shut it down.
This is our second check, and it's a doozy. This gives the Speakers of each Station more power to deny in the Major Vote, as they can lower the barrier to turning the bill down. Additionally, it means that the rest of the Assembly can turn down other Station's bills. It also means that the more confident a Station is in their bill, the more difficult it is to shut it down.
In the starting 12 station assembly, this means that it takes over 81% of votes (11 stations voting) to veto a 9 Point Bill. However, with a weaker, say, 6 Point Bill, it takes just over 61% to turn it down.
Now, let's talk about the second group. Stations. As discussed before, Stations represent the different facets of what the federal government manages. Space, agriculture, health, etc etc.
Each station consists of 61 members. These members are split into 4 groups.
1 member is the Principal.
5 are Speakers.
15 are Masters.
40 are Adepts.
1/5/15/40. 61 members.
This works similar to congress, too. Each Station drafts and votes on bills. As one note, Adepts cannot submit bills.
This system also works on a point-based voting system.
Adepts get 1 vote.
Masters get 5 votes.
Speakers get 15 votes.
Uniquely, Principals do not get to vote. To prevent too high a concentration of power, their voting strength is relegated to the Assembly.
This is a simple system. 5 adepts can override a Masters vote. 5 Masters can override a Speakers vote. It's, again, relatively simple. They draft bills, discuss, and pass to the Assembly.
One note, Bills must be 25 pages or under, and cannot have unrelated riders (which is handled later). This is because riders are a fucking cancer.
The truly unique part of Stations is how each group is elected. They have to be elected up. Every election cycle (which varies, explained below), your subordinates elect you. It's a system that encourages mobility and flushing out old blood.
One note, this uses a ranked voting system, and when votes are cast, every possible option must be ranked (except when voting Adepts, explained later).
Every Principal cycle, every Master and Adept votes in a new Principal, or votes to keep the current Principal.. Speakers don't vote. The voters retain their voting power, and the individual must be a current Speaker.
Every Speaker cycle, every Adept votes. They elect new Speakers from either the current Speakers or current Masters.
This system means those in power cannot just appeal to those in power to retain it. Those below them must vote them up. This acts as a check on those in power.
The Adept cycle is a bit more unique. Here, every skilled member of society votes. Which leads us into our third part of government...
The People.
Adepts are votes in by people. However, even this is ranked.
It's relatively simple. There's 7 rankings of individuals, called Representation Class, and it's basically college. Layman, Tutor, Laborer, Associate, Bachelor's, Master, Doctor.
Associate through Bachelor's are simple. They pull from a total pool of votes, equal to 1/5 the total Layman population of the country. In addition, each has 5x the voting power of the prior level of education.
Let's say, for example, the country has a Layman population of 3,120, and for easy reference, let's say there's only 1 of each education level. The Associate would have a voting power of 10, the Bachelor 50, the Master 250, the doctor 1250.
This means that if >20% of the laymen vote against a new Adept, they'll be turned down. While this would be rare, as there's a LOT of Adepts, it gives the people the opportunity to shut them down.
Layman's are either individuals with no education, and that do not work in the respective field they're voting for. Uniquely, they cannot vote for Adepts, only against.
Tutors are individuals with any level of college education that does not relate to the station they're voting for. Their votes count as 1/10 an Associate's vote, so 1 in our example.
Labors are individual who aren't educated in a Stations field, but are working in the field of said Station. Their vote counts as 1/2 of an associate's vote.
Now here's where thing get fancy.
Representation Equality Division
RED is our first 3 letter agency, but operates differently than any today. Their job is to manage the rankings of individuals without an education, or in a Station that doesn't exactly use education (military).
People can apply to the RED to have their Representation Class increased. This can range from something as simple as "I've been a farmer for 20 years, I have a doctor's equivalent education in it", to "I'm a general, obviously I'm a doctor", to people who make great strides without an education.
I'm still hammering the exact parts of this out.
Supreme Court
I love the supreme court, frankly. I think it's a genius system. I'm still hammering out my version of it, but it's similar and acts as a similar check to the other branches. They can vote things unconstitutional, manage major legal disputes, set legal precedent, etc etc.
Education, to the highest level, must be free. This whole system is focused on power fluidity, mobility and preventing stagnation. If education is locked behind a paywall, that grinds to an immediate halt.
Universal healthcare and a UBI to be established. This doesn't need to be much at first, but a UBI would be implemented to help individuals. Eventually, with a focus in automation and good taxes, it'd be the goal to let people live off of this. However, there's a few caveats.
The goal of the UBI is to free people from the NEED to work, which should be a goal of mankind. However, that doesn't make it free.
One, there's a physical requirement. This is a requirement, whether you want the UBi or not. Every individual must maintain a good level of physical health. They don't have to do this on their own, the government will provide help and healthcare. And if an individual fails, they aren't immediately cut. They're provided help, and given time to recover. We aren't perfect.
But should an individual fail, and refuse to improve, they lose all government benefits and are taxed higher.
Obviously, medical exceptions will be made on a case by case basis.
This is applied because it's a fact that good physical health is good for mental health. A healthy, educated populace is a strong populace.
In addition, mental healthcare is provided, and another necessity. If you have something say, like, schizophrenia, you have to take meds for it.
Military service is mandatory from 18-22. This couples with teaching individuals unity and plays into the physical health above.
Two parent households are encouraged, and even given tax benefits. Gender and sexual orientation doesn't matter.
Minimum wage automatically adjusts for inflation. On top, the goal is for on individual to be able to support a 2 parent, 3 child household by the time they're 35 years old.
This plays into the above. One of the facets of post animalism is balance. In this case, it's simple. One, society should expect two parent households, caring for their kids. However, society should also make that as easily obtainable as possible.
Obviously, there's much more. But that's what I feel like sharing.
Vivalas · 1 points · Posted at 20:54:32 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
I would like to know more.
LLadi · 1 points · Posted at 21:06:21 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Yes, and after you take them out, you put a new idiot in
MrNature73 · 1 points · Posted at 21:28:13 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Yes, and?
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boy_beauty · 1 points · Posted at 01:28:30 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
The democracy meta is kinda boring.
Bo-Katan · 1 points · Posted at 10:55:33 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Democracy? We are in a Ochlocracy
ieilael · 4 points · Posted at 17:55:57 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
That's not democracy, it's oligarchy masquerading as two opposed parties so they can convince the people that they have a say.
SartosaTrap · 3 points · Posted at 18:23:31 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Thats....accurate. and further shows the weakness of democracy.
Tzozfg · 2 points · Posted at 19:22:15 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Yeah but their power is so limited that their actions have barely any effect on my day to day life.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 18:39:26 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Based and fuck-democracy pilled
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 03:51:35 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
In democracies you get like 4-6 years of the good ruler but decades of the bad ones
palpythepimp · 139 points · Posted at 15:16:48 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Based and strong incest chin pilled
Flylite · 25 points · Posted at 18:59:39 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Certified Habsburg moment
Upbeat-Page-1805 · 2 points · Posted at 06:36:28 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
You talking about that one guy who's parents were uncle and niece, and their parents were uncle and niece, or that one girl who's parents were uncle and niece, and their parents were uncle and niece, and their parents were uncle and niece?
JefersonJesus · 125 points · Posted at 15:47:50 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
If you pay attention, not just monarchism is like this. It happens to all sorts of regimes
Spndash64 · 41 points · Posted at 16:05:01 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Perhaps, but the governments that unironic monarchists hate the most just happen to be the ones most resistant to this effect long term
[deleted] · 35 points · Posted at 16:23:23 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
and þose would be?
Billysbilbolag · 31 points · Posted at 17:31:44 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Based and þ-Master-Race pilled
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ManFrom2018 · 22 points · Posted at 17:08:49 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Why are you using the letter thorn???
ImperialTechnology · 15 points · Posted at 17:55:23 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
He deadass just used thorn...
Spndash64 · -2 points · Posted at 16:28:27 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
The USA. You kill one guy, we have backup
caualan · 6 points · Posted at 17:04:58 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Vice presidents? Lame. Get yourself a viceroy 😎
[deleted] · 9 points · Posted at 16:29:58 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Þat's a good one
Spndash64 · 2 points · Posted at 17:03:31 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
I’m not seeing an argument here
[deleted] · 9 points · Posted at 17:05:49 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Þe U.S. is just a still functioning Joke
Spndash64 · 2 points · Posted at 20:34:04 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
As opposed to?
[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 21:12:44 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Countries þat value þeir people over money. Every country has it's flaws but damn þe U.S. is just someþing else regarding flaws
Spndash64 · 0 points · Posted at 00:57:42 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
You can’t give a specific example?
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 06:21:00 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Europe
Axe-actly · 1 points · Posted at 17:13:27 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
USA and Europe bad, Russia and China good. That's the argument I believe. But it's hard to know what they say when they have Putin's dick so far up their throat.
Awobbie · 11 points · Posted at 17:49:04 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Electing idiots every 4-8 years is resistant to idiots ruling?
Spndash64 · 2 points · Posted at 20:30:45 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Yes, because those idiots are LESS stupid, on average, than a grab bag produced via monarchy, AND their capacity for stupidity is deliberately handicapped by checks and balances
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 21:48:01 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Tell me you've bever read de Tocqueville without telling me you've never read de Tocqueville.
Spndash64 · 1 points · Posted at 00:57:03 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Don’t need to
Captain_Salty__ · -1 points · Posted at 18:05:47 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
At least there’s the the potential to replace them with a competent leader instead of being stuck with king smoothbrain III for most of your lifetime
Awobbie · 8 points · Posted at 18:15:53 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Is there any potential that the majority of voters will actually choose a competent leader? It hasn’t happened since Coolidge in the US, and most certainly hasn’t happened in my lifetime.
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 18:40:57 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Based and Coolidge pilled
Captain_Salty__ · -1 points · Posted at 18:18:10 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
My point still stands that there is at least the option whereas there isn’t with a monarchy, at least not without a violent revolution.
Awobbie · 4 points · Posted at 18:21:38 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
It isn’t a real option, though. It is only the illusion of an option. It isn’t the most competent man who wins, but instead the best advertiser. Even making a system which selects the next ruler based off of a literal dice roll would increase your chances of having a decent ruler.
Captain_Salty__ · -1 points · Posted at 18:23:23 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Because there’s never been a competent elected head of state? Just because there hasn’t been for a while doesn’t mean it’ll never happen again. Yeah there are issues with the system but monarchy’s problems are wayyyyyy worse.
Awobbie · 7 points · Posted at 18:34:23 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
My Great Grandmother died without ever seeing a decent president in her lifetime (born during Hoover, died during Obama, a year before Donald Trump). Throughout the majority of her lifetime, Britain has been ruled by King George VI and Queen Elizabeth II. It’s not a good idea to wait around hoping that 51% of voters will wise up and choose a decent candidate when they are only given two realistic options (which are usually both bad) and their primary source of information (social media) is being dictated to them by an algorithm designed to manipulate the way they think. You keep appealing to people having the option to make positive change, but they also have the option to royally mess everything up, and that’s consistently what Americans have done since 1928. I’d honestly rather just roll the dice and get whatever monarch I get. At least the problems with one consistently bad ruler are problems I can adapt to long term.
Captain_Salty__ · 6 points · Posted at 18:47:33 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)*
The British royal family doesn’t “rule” Britain, they’re figureheads who have no part in the governance of the country. The only countries today with actual monarches are Saudi Arabia, Oman, Brunei, Eswatini and the arguably the Vatican and they all have their issues. I’m not gonna argue with you about trump, I disagree but I’m not trying to open that can of worms. I personally think the US should be reorganized to be a parliamentary system because the US system sucks and basically forces voters into choosing between two parties. And you say that social media manipulates people but a monarchy depends on manipulating people into having a sense of loyalty to a family even though they don’t have any merits in of themselves. A monarchy teaches you that you must obey a monarch no matter what and that to go against them is treason and you’re calling social media manipulative. Not to mention no monarchy will ever support a free press or freedom of information, they depend on censorship to maintain control over their populace. And you talk about rolling the dice with a monarchy but I’d say you have better odds overall with more leaders than with only one or two in your entire lifetime. I don’t see how you can adapt to your king tanking the economy and preventing any sort of recovery because they suck at economics. Not to mention the succession crises that happens every time a monarch dies. And yeah the public has the option to royally mess it up but I’d rather that be in the public’s hands than a single dude who is kept in power through military force and repression. Even if the public is stupid throwing your hands in the air and giving all your power to one person is terrible solution.
AntonGuerra · 1 points · Posted at 20:01:30 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Because instead of getting all the stupid concentrated in one person, the stupid is spread out across the entire political class and bureaucracy.
Spndash64 · 1 points · Posted at 20:25:43 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Exactly.
Atanar · 1 points · Posted at 19:48:20 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
It is even worse for modern Dictatorships because they can't even allow themselves to groom a sucessor.
[deleted] · 40 points · Posted at 15:44:07 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
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LITERALLY_A_TYRANID · 8 points · Posted at 21:07:49 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Brezhnev moment
101st_kilometre · 3 points · Posted at 07:31:48 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Lenin moment
Lord_of_the_Tide · 110 points · Posted at 17:14:10 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Republicanism in a nutshell
Well this president sucks maybe next will be better
Well this president sucks maybe next will be better
Well this president sucks maybe next will be better
Well this president sucks maybe next will be better
Well this president sucks maybe next will be better
Well this president sucks maybe next will be better
If only people would vote for my guy all the problems of society would be solved.
csdspartans7 · 30 points · Posted at 19:12:56 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Because people’s expectations are unrealistic. The government isn’t going to fix your life, that’s up to you.
America as a democracy has had stellar quality of life for a very long time
Lord_of_the_Tide · 3 points · Posted at 21:27:30 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
That is true, but I still think the American system is a big mess. On one side you have the less productive part of society that gets to try and vote away their problems, without any consequences since they aren't invested in the system. On the other side you get the richest part of society that gets to buy monopolies via government favors.
csdspartans7 · 2 points · Posted at 13:23:56 on February 8, 2022 · (Permalink)
Poor people consistently vote against their self interests
Lord_of_the_Tide · 2 points · Posted at 13:32:26 on February 8, 2022 · (Permalink)
Some do, but people from other classes do to. I mean a significant number of people voting for policies that are bad for America are the college educated middle and upper classes.
rexpimpwagen · 2 points · Posted at 23:44:07 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Yes but them being able to vote away their problems only benefits the entire system from top to bottom becauase poor people bad. And rich people tend to do what they want anyway.
Lord_of_the_Tide · 1 points · Posted at 23:51:15 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
They aren't able to vote away their problems though, they just think they are. In truth, they just mess up the system top that with the 1% of the 1% paying off the government to destroy their competition and you end up in a race to the bottom, the US is basically becoming the late Roman empire except the senate is more corrupt. Luckily there is no barbarian at the gates to bring the whole thing crashing down.
WASD_00 · 2 points · Posted at 01:02:52 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Getting out of hospital in debt is stellar quality of life?
Not being able to afford insulin is a stellar quality of life?
Romania is the best shithole in the balkans, but atleast you don't get in debt if you need to make an appointment with a doctor
This clearly makes romania glorious nation 🇹🇩🇹🇩🇹🇩🇹🇩🇹🇩🇹🇩🇹🇩
csdspartans7 · 1 points · Posted at 01:45:06 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Compared to the rest of the world yes Americas quality of life is too notch
ifyouarenuareu · 1 points · Posted at 01:35:37 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
My expectation is pretty much just basic competence. Leaders that are leaders rather than actors who’re good at pretending to be a leader.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 20:34:09 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Venice as a Republic lasted for over a millenia and spent a significant period of that time as one of the richest and most powerful states in the world. The only reason it didn't last until today was that tiny French motherfucker conquering the world.
People are too stupid to realize that American republicanism is not the only way a democracy can be run. In fact it's arguably the dumbest way to implement a democracy other than direct democracy.
Lord_of_the_Tide · 5 points · Posted at 21:33:09 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Well Venice didn't have universal suffrage, in fact neither did America when it was founded. Allowing people without any investment in the system to vote just leads to the deterioration of the system
[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 22:17:52 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Define investment in the system.
Lord_of_the_Tide · 1 points · Posted at 22:32:29 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Well the easiest way is owning property, since the thing that garantees your ownership is the system. I'm sure there are other criteria that could work like the starship troopers (the book not the movie) federal service system. It needs to be a benefit a person has that depends on the system existing, but at the same time it has to also benefit the system. It should also incur a personal cost, be it taxes, the draft or something else, so as to aligned the voting decisions with responsible rulership I.e. if you're part of the minority paying taxes you probably not gonna vote for massive spending.
101st_kilometre · 2 points · Posted at 07:47:01 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Well, people basically did that in the US, by giving the property owning hillbillies more power than the city dwellers through electoral college.
And what does that get you? Farming subsidies for them, homelessness and medical debt for the city dwellers.
I don't think property is a good way to measure someone's investment in the system. All it takes to be invested in the system is citizenship.
Lord_of_the_Tide · 1 points · Posted at 07:56:46 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Most hillbillies don't own property though, but I will grant you farm subsidies are bad. The reason they actually vote for them is because its not coming out of their pocket. I should have added a restructure of taxitation to focus more on land and natural resource taxes instead of production tax, like it was in the early years of the republic.
Citizenship is definitely not enough to get people invested, the people voting for the policies destroying the system are all citizens.
Legionator · 72 points · Posted at 17:11:44 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Hans Hermann-Hoppe has a saying something like that: "You can have a good monarch, or a bad monarch. This is pure chance. On the other hand, democracy guarantees that your leader is an egocentric bastard"
ProjectD13X · 10 points · Posted at 20:25:32 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Hoppe is based.
ifyouarenuareu · 5 points · Posted at 01:38:49 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Democracy might as well mean rule by actors and their electioneers.
DavideBatt · 163 points · Posted at 15:44:20 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Monarchy doesn't need to be hereditary. Even though I must say that a system that can define who will rule by birthright and focus on training that person all their life for that purpose doesn't seem as absurd as one where you have to convince roughly half the people to vote for you.
The point of monarchism is to be monocratic, to give to a single person a defined amount of responsibility and the necessary power to act on their function. Goverining by commitee always leads by a diluition of responsibilty and an inability to act. All working structures are monarchical in this sense: a CEO is the king of their company. The President is the king of the country.
HUNTtheGRUNT · 87 points · Posted at 16:13:38 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
For the love of God, please hereditary.
Am Polish, don't want to see elective monarchies anymore
[deleted] · 11 points · Posted at 18:05:27 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Elective monarchies suck. Better to steal an infant from somebody and raise him as your child, train him to be your heir
tlind1990 · 3 points · Posted at 21:04:09 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Or somehow institutionalize a system of designation/adoption like during the 5 good emperors of Rome. Whoever becomes king cannot have children before taking the throne and once designated as heir he get an irreversible vasectomy.
[deleted] · 26 points · Posted at 16:55:08 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Because the fragmentation period under the piasts was so much better lol
danshakuimo · 2 points · Posted at 23:41:08 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Based and RIP PLC pilled
11711510111411009710 · 1 points · Posted at 21:15:59 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
So which should be the family that all future rulers descend from?
HUNTtheGRUNT · 2 points · Posted at 21:17:12 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
I'd support Wettin
fREDlig- · 1 points · Posted at 00:50:48 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
As I Swede I love the idea of bringing back elective monarchy. Im not very good with polish history, but wasn't your biggest problem the veto thing?
HUNTtheGRUNT · 2 points · Posted at 08:57:22 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Liberum veto, yes. Although the biggest problem was the ridiculous amount of privileges given to nobility by kings so they had support
Godzilla_original · 76 points · Posted at 16:43:32 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)*
Being a monarch can actually be a curse rather than a blessing.
Pedro II of Brazil always wanted to study science and be a teacher, but he had to content to being an emperor otherwise the country would collapse, which was literally happening on his teens years.
He did the best he could, but being an emperor doesn't mean you do whatever you want. He had to marry someone who he didn't like, deal with the worst war in South America, and especially slavery, which all elites defended despite being ethicallly unjustifiable. Money over values.
What you're proposing is cruel even when it works.
Yes, I wrote a Wall of Text folks, cope.
[deleted] · 12 points · Posted at 18:42:28 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
It can be both a curse and a blessing, depending on who you ask
[deleted] · 5 points · Posted at 18:40:12 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Dude sounded like he was miserable. Then you have to deal with a bunch of rich psycho's and murderers all the time.
Godzilla_original · 12 points · Posted at 19:07:50 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
And coup d etat, Pedro II didn't finished his job at the office, but was removed with the Republican Declaration of Brazil and forced to flee as an exiled man. It happened soon after the abolition of slavery, the agrarian elites were really angry with him.
You may say he was happy for losing the weight of his shoulders, but he was already too old at this point, he sacrificed everything for Brazil, so he didn't have a propose after that and didn't recieve any pention.
He lived in hotels and small apartments in Paris and people said that he was a shadow, a sad and melancholy old man.
Still, he never supported the restoration of monarchy or kept anger for his deposition, he wanted the good will of Brazil over anything.
[deleted] · 4 points · Posted at 19:53:44 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Fuck slavery he did the right thing even if it costed him his throne. I'd have put all the slave owners on a boat and torpedoed that mofo tbh.
Brazilian_Slaughter · 2 points · Posted at 02:25:26 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Honestly, his big defect is that he was too nice. He should have heard Admiral Tamandaré and gone full extreme on the republicans. I guess he didn't want to shed brazilian blood just for his throne.
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 01:55:52 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
The worst part is that the coup was opposed by most, common people and even the old guard of higher classes, the problem were people who were born after he managed to make the country stable and prosperous so they had no appreciation for it. Iirc Pedro had some chance to return to the throne but he passed that opportunity.
He was a reluctant and skilled ruler, which is probably what made him so great.
There are many examples of good monarchs and unstable democracies, but in the end, democracies will be more stable long term, and are better for people living in them.
Izithel · 2 points · Posted at 21:24:47 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
For all the power that the Crown commands over the country, the Crown commands as much power over those who wear it.
One needs strong shoulders, for it is a heavy burden indeed.
And those who take their crown for granted tend to be quick to lose both it and their head.
It's why dynasties that did endure for long periods, and their courts, tended to put a lot of work in preparing their heirs-apparent, or at the very least tried their damnedest to make sure that those who'd be a threat to the stability where made as harmless as possible...
Sometimes permanently so they could be replaced with a more suitable heir.
Godzilla_original · 0 points · Posted at 21:32:56 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)*
The least part thought, Byzantine emperors would literally cut potential heirs noses and ears, and when they discovered it was not enough, blind them to avoid civil wars.
It was brutal but seen as a Christian way to deal with things, because you're not technically killing your own kind.
Ottomans didn't bothered, a new Sultan would kill all of his male brothers to ensure no competition. Even his baby half brothers. Apparently they stopped when in 1600s Mehemed III had killed 19 of his half brothers, mostly baby and toddlers, making the religious population of Konstantinople outrageous and damaging their international reputation in Europe.
The most successful monarchy are the Yamatos because they stayed out of politics for a long time, to the point of they being considered gods on earth. Second one is likely the Thai monarchy, they are hugely popular to this day.
Based_Department_Man · 2 points · Posted at 01:50:17 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Pedro II was the best leader that Brazil has ever had
caualan · -5 points · Posted at 17:01:26 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
oh yes daddy im coping!!! 😩😩😩
sjit_posts · 23 points · Posted at 17:04:29 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Training your heir their whole life still doesn’t work half the time. Just look at Marcus Aurelius who constantly tried to teach Commodus to not be a fuckup, and how that that went. Rome went from Pax and greatest civilization ever to 3rd Century Crisis and never recovering real quick
a_stupid_weirdo · 3 points · Posted at 21:39:44 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Hot take but Commodus wasn't solely responsible for the Crisis, the Severans are mostly to blame.
sjit_posts · 1 points · Posted at 01:18:31 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Definitely not, but a succession crisis and the civil wars that followed played a major part in the empire’s decline
a_stupid_weirdo · 1 points · Posted at 01:22:19 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Yeah but that was way after his time. He sucked but that was mostly it, even tho he does mark the end of the Pax Romana. I'd say his fault was that because of him, the Severans came into the picture and they were the ones that caused the Crisis directly.
monsuir_bruh · 35 points · Posted at 15:54:20 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Wall of text lol
Bunny_tornado · 36 points · Posted at 16:09:58 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Must be hard living with the attention span of an amoeba.
[deleted] · 47 points · Posted at 16:52:28 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
PCMers have become so mentally incapable by their constant use of soyjak memes as actual arguments that two paragraphs are now considered impossible to read.
Memes and it's consequences have been a disaster for the human race
Bunny_tornado · 12 points · Posted at 16:57:21 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
It's mostly generational , so not just on PCM; though most folk here are zoomers. As a younger millenial my attention span is also rather low (curse getting a smart phone in middle school!) but damn, two short paragraphs is a "wall of text"?
Imagine when these kids go to college and have to write a paper. Or when they go to work and have to deal with 200-page reports. They'll cry in a bathroom.
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 17:04:55 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
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Bunny_tornado · 1 points · Posted at 17:06:33 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
And HR, always being a loyal goon of the corporate, will fire them for "unrelated" reasons.
CrabClawAngry · 1 points · Posted at 20:12:48 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Based and unamemer pilled
TheAzureMage · 1 points · Posted at 20:41:58 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
This might be based, but it's sentence two, so I didn't read that far.
OMG--Kittens · 5 points · Posted at 16:14:49 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Based.
Reptile449 · 2 points · Posted at 17:49:07 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
CEOs answer to a board of directors.
JonathanTheZero · 7 points · Posted at 16:08:21 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Wall of text lol
guzmaya · 6 points · Posted at 16:00:13 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Wall of text lol
theneoroot · 0 points · Posted at 17:10:20 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
That's Hillay Clinton. You want Hillary Clinton in power.
11711510111411009710 · 1 points · Posted at 21:17:09 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
I mean, I don't like her as a person but she is definitely very qualified for the position
ieilael · 1 points · Posted at 17:58:49 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
It wasn't intended to be that way and it wasn't always. It wasn't supposed to be the president leading a branch of eleven million people that controls every aspect of our daily lives, our money supply, our state of war, our immigration laws, and even the ability to execute Americans without trial or charge.
metler88 · 1 points · Posted at 18:16:39 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Who trains the heir then? And when they die, how are they replaced?
11711510111411009710 · 1 points · Posted at 21:18:48 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
I was gonna say a second family could do it and then I thought, who replaces them when they die, and who educates them to educate the first person?
Handarthol · 1 points · Posted at 18:22:28 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Ck2 taught me tanistry is the best form of succession
csdspartans7 · 1 points · Posted at 19:11:01 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
CEOs are employed at will by the board
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 20:28:41 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
It doesn't seem absurd until you make it a bloodline thing. The Five Good Emperor's of Rome were almost all absolute monarchs who ruled due to a meritocracy. People who showed potential to be great were encouraged to become great and rewarded appropriately.
Then one motherfucker named his son as heir and started the Empire's long, slow decline. An authoritarian meritocracy would be a perfectly functional way to run a stable nation, except for the part where you can't really prevent an authoritarian from changing the rules to benefit themselves and their children. It only takes one to fuck everything up.
Cualkiera67 · 1 points · Posted at 20:32:08 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
What stops the monarch from abusing all his power for personal gain? If limited power politicians are corrupt, imagine the level of corruption an unlimited one would have.
If the current structure indoctrinates the new monarch from birth, and so on, then there will be an absolute stagnation of ideas. How could fresh ideas ever make their way into power? It's impossible
Pantheon73 · 19 points · Posted at 15:41:11 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
And that's why Monarchs are restricted by the Constitution.
GreenAppleCZ · 12 points · Posted at 19:40:29 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Based and actually knowing the smart monarchy pilled
yunivor · 2 points · Posted at 14:07:30 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
That's just parlamentarism with extra steps
Ultimatehoosier · 2 points · Posted at 03:47:22 on February 6, 2022 · (Permalink)
And a council to chose a good monarch
[deleted] · 15 points · Posted at 17:43:46 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
democracy is this except the leader didnt die he just expired and the new leader isn't retarded, he's corrupt.
WASD_00 · 2 points · Posted at 01:04:15 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Sounds like stellaris when you forget to change away from democracy
goose-and-fish · 17 points · Posted at 16:21:45 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Every man is his own king.
Captain_Salty__ · 7 points · Posted at 18:09:31 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Based and Huey Long Dong pilled
lopied1 · 128 points · Posted at 15:40:57 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Unfortunately 😞, but still better than d*mocracy
MostOriginalNickname · 32 points · Posted at 17:12:57 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
I'd rather have a good king envery once in a while than a retarded puppet every year.
programofuse · 71 points · Posted at 15:43:09 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Based and fuck democracy pilled
ThanksKanye-verycool · 12 points · Posted at 17:14:40 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Unbased and please tread on me dictator pilled
programofuse · 5 points · Posted at 18:35:18 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Cringe and can’t give a cringe pill properly pilled
xXBlackDragonYTXx · 5 points · Posted at 17:52:36 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Based and Democracy is Cringe, read some Aristotle pilled
LiamLynchCork · -2 points · Posted at 18:04:02 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Aristotle is a cringe greekoid
programofuse · 2 points · Posted at 18:37:31 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Better then Plato at least
CrabClawAngry · 0 points · Posted at 20:10:45 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Plato was way better. The trial and death of Socrates would later be adapted with the Greek guy replaced by a certain Jewish handyman.
throwaway62872 · 0 points · Posted at 07:40:35 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Cringe and tastes like shoe polish pilled
Possibly_a_Firetruck · -2 points · Posted at 19:43:09 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Censoring words that upset you is some next level snowflake-ism.
Poisonapples135 · 7 points · Posted at 20:55:53 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
It's a running joke which is a parody of people who do it unironically
Odd_Possession5858 · 32 points · Posted at 15:02:45 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Yes... I do consider myself a renaissance woman. I have a certain... quality. I do not belong in this age. I belong in years gone by, having sophisticated conversation with two whores in arms, smoking opium and debating sqrt-1 with the finest intellects of the time. I despise modern British women, they're nothing but harlots. They only like "Daves and Johns" wearing red chino pants and rhianna t-shirts. Maybe drinking a pint in "da pub". I'm trying to not get angry but I fucking am. How could Britain go from the pinnacle of fine art and science to.....this. Oh why, foul demiurge, did you see it fit to put me here in this FUCKING TORTURE. Not only am I alone in appreciating Monarchy in a group of primitives, I am also alone in appreciating......... traps, as you disrespectful barbarians call them.
This song is all that exists in mind. I am curse, I am too smart for this fucking island. And so I have nothing to do................but lament.
I am a Mathematical Monarchist. Care to do battle?
JimmyjamesI · 19 points · Posted at 15:38:34 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
2+2=Robespierre, checkmate
Lobstery_boi · 8 points · Posted at 15:44:32 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Based and terroirpilled
[deleted] · 45 points · Posted at 16:26:26 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Authright: Monarchies are more stable than republics
Monarchies: Yayyy our king has died, time to have our centennial sucession crisis and civil war with a bit of foreign invasion thrown in just to spice it up a bit.
TheGlennDavid · 10 points · Posted at 17:39:35 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Between 877 and 1649 there were depending on how you count, between 16 and 30 monarchs in the British Isles killed doing King Shit. And that number does not include any of the Not Kings who died trying to be King, or any of the regular folk who got caught up in that shit.
In the 300 years of Prime Ministership there have been 55 of them and ONE has been killed.
[deleted] · 8 points · Posted at 20:41:16 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Also Venice. You know, 1200 years of uninterrupted Republic and only needing to depose a Doge every century or two. The secret is having an active populace who have a vested interest in the success of their state.
Aura_Spher3 · 6 points · Posted at 20:59:00 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
You're telling me that people got killed for searching power in the times were diplomacy was made with swords, and the borders changed every year. Who would have known?
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 01:41:21 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
When was the last time that happened in England?
[deleted] · 0 points · Posted at 01:43:13 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
1689 glorious revolution, conveniently the same revolution that made england a constitutional monarchy with a de facto powerless monarch.
[deleted] · 0 points · Posted at 02:07:58 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Two Words if you think the Queen has no power: Gough Whitlam
[deleted] · 0 points · Posted at 02:13:06 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
He was removed by the Governor General, not the queen.
[deleted] · 0 points · Posted at 02:17:29 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
You're an idiot, who does the Governor General represent and whose authority do they act on behalf of and whose assent do they have to have in order to remove the Prime Minister?
Hint: She's the Queen of the United Kingdom fuckhead
[deleted] · 0 points · Posted at 02:20:13 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Nominal authority means nothing, Parliament also nominally acts on behalf of the queen, but we all know what would happen if she ever moved a finger against them, this is why i use the term "de facto".
Relevant meme
[deleted] · 0 points · Posted at 02:24:17 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Dude, you're just mad because you thought the Queen had no power and it turns out she has the authority to remove foreign Prime Ministers.
Fun Fact: Her removal of Gough Whitlam was unprecedented in Australian history and is one of the leading reasons for Republicanism in Australia. Cope retard
[deleted] · 0 points · Posted at 02:25:25 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
[deleted] · 0 points · Posted at 02:28:43 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Dude you tried to tell me about my own county's constitution and history without knowing a fucking thing about Australian history or its politics.
Your "argument" was literally a shitty meme you stole of someone else proving you're a loser who obsesses over capeshit. You're coping right now
P.S. Don't ever study constitutional law if you get Australia's shitpot of a constitution wrong then I'd hate to see how badly you'd fuck up your own.
[deleted] · 0 points · Posted at 02:29:55 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Least braindead monarchist
[deleted] · 0 points · Posted at 02:33:11 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
I'm not a Monarchist retard, I'm an economic Distributist and I vote DLP who are a Catholic split off from the Australian Labor Party (who are my preference of the Liberal National Coalition).
Maybe stop using straw men when you're actually talking to people and you won't look so autistic.
[deleted] · 0 points · Posted at 02:35:32 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
[deleted] · 0 points · Posted at 03:03:52 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Dude if you were any more retarded your parents wouldn't be letting you on your computer. Australia exists under the Commonwealth, the Queen is our head of state...
Monarchism is literally a factor in Australian politics you absolute tardlete
You assumed I was a monarchist for pointing out the Queen actually had powers and like a retard tried to call me out as one and got BTFOed
Go and get your head checked cunt
[deleted] · 0 points · Posted at 03:04:35 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Seethe
[deleted] · 0 points · Posted at 03:06:27 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Is that all you have to say after being made to look like you're mentally retarded? Figures
Oh shit, you're Brazilian that explains everything...
[deleted] · 0 points · Posted at 03:08:47 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Least infantile monarchist
[deleted] · 0 points · Posted at 03:10:48 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
So you're just repeating yourself because you don't have any real arguments, poor Brazilian.
Hopefully they find a cure soon
[deleted] · 0 points · Posted at 03:12:16 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)*
Edit: So confident in your rightousness that you just blocked me huh ? Well i wrote this shit so i am posting it regardless:
Imagine feeling so intimidated by a basic argument that you pretend it doesn't exist.
I will reiterate in a more elaborate manner to see if your pitiful brain can actually keep up this time:
There is a difference between what's written on a piece of paper (de jure power) and how things actually function (de facto), the australian constitution can say the queen is the supreme executive power, but this matters little when she can't reasonably wield that supposed power (she just can't).
Just as the Tenth Amendment of the US constitution claims that anything not explicitly outlined in the constitution itself is under the jurisdiction of the states, but anyone with a brain (which unfortunately doesn't include you i guess) can tell you that's just not how things work in reality.
Another example is the roman empire being a republic according to the law until the third century.
Seriously, the distinction between de jure and de facto is and has been an extremely basic part of the discipline of law for a long time, which is why i find it so funny that you don't even know about it and yet acts in the way you do.
TL:DR: Seethe
[deleted] · 0 points · Posted at 03:18:39 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
[deleted] · 7 points · Posted at 15:47:26 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
King Chad at your service
Genti2197 · 7 points · Posted at 15:51:01 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
just like the roman empire and byzantine But with Emperors
yunivor · 1 points · Posted at 14:12:41 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Emperor is just a fancy king change my mind
biebergotswag · 37 points · Posted at 15:59:45 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
It is fine, monarchies are designed to function often with a incompetent head of state.
First, the monarch does not have centralized power in the country outside of his own city. He has vassals that govern the rest of the country that operates independently, being bind by contacts and duty.
Second, monarchs doesn't have to make all the decisions, there can be a council or a parliament doing it, the monarch only has to bear responsibility of the action.
Third, monarchs are replaceable, plenty of the high nobelity can take over if the need arises.
The most important of monarchist governments is that responsibilities are clearly distributed, and unable to be muddled like a democracy often can.
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TheGlennDavid · 34 points · Posted at 17:31:36 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
PCM's unironic monarchists accomplish the herculean lift of making ancaps not-the-most-ridiculous-people-in-the-room.
When you read shit like
it's mind exploding. Overthrowing thrones has been a historically violent activity that is shitty for almost everyone involved. I have ZERO interest in being conscripted into the Bloomberg Battalion to fight the Lindell Legion to overthrow a shitty king.
Audrey_spino · 4 points · Posted at 21:53:03 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Damn sign me into Bass Pro Principality heard they got a cool pyramid.
danshakuimo · 4 points · Posted at 23:47:38 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
This Bass Pro Shop guy must be a powerful ruler if they get to have a glass pyramid
Audrey_spino · 1 points · Posted at 06:38:11 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
I heard their army consists of all middle aged dads in the states, must be very powerful.
Third_Ferguson · 11 points · Posted at 18:04:06 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Unironic monarchists are more delusional about their idealized system than unironic communists, which is saying something.
Xx_fazemaster69 · 6 points · Posted at 20:39:48 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Monarchists are in terms of right wing conversation are like unironic nazis but dumber they try to insert themselves into any conversation weather or not anyone wants their input and only hold their beliefs only for the sake of contrarianism and not out of practicality
TheAzureMage · -2 points · Posted at 20:44:56 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Yknow, us libright sorts appreciate it. Authright does us a favor from time to time, making us seem reasonable.
Cyberpunk anarchy might be gritty, but Techno-monarchy does hit that exact perfect combination of futuristic horror that is delightful to envision.
softhack · 0 points · Posted at 00:49:06 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
People really need to pay more attention to local government officials more.
ieilael · -2 points · Posted at 18:00:00 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Did you just forget about the age of absolutism?
xlbeutel · 1 points · Posted at 13:00:35 on August 6, 2022 · (Permalink)
True true incompetent kings have never caused the collapse of civilizations meanwhile the first bad us President destroyed the country
Wait
zisback12 · 13 points · Posted at 16:27:12 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Whoops the king is dead, now we must decide who the real heir is between his 20+ mistresses children
ghostmech007 · 5 points · Posted at 19:32:10 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Based and Robert Baratheon pilled.
[deleted] · 5 points · Posted at 18:04:24 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
This can actually sum up every political system "things were working great! till they didn't"
DrMahlek · 10 points · Posted at 16:56:56 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
I’d take this over a Democracy of scumbags who eternally lie to the people, no matter who you vote in it’s always the same lying bullshit.
GreenAppleCZ · 8 points · Posted at 19:42:52 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Based. Fuck populism, fuck idiots, and fuck low average IQ
WASD_00 · 3 points · Posted at 01:05:27 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Normalize beng more than average iq
danshakuimo · 3 points · Posted at 23:46:13 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
I get the feeling a democratic system almost requires you to lie. If you are too honest you are gonna end up either losing your power or losing your votes.
ZeroByteInFlight · 9 points · Posted at 16:49:25 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
"King Chad" - I like how this concedes that the original king was actually a good ruler.
[deleted] · 0 points · Posted at 20:43:05 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Well yeah, some kings were. If every king could be trusted to be a Cyrus, Saladin, Aurelius or Suleman then absolute monarchy would be the ideal form of governance. However, since we can't make that guarantee I would prefer my rulers to be ineffectual and bound to the will of the people.
a_stupid_weirdo · 4 points · Posted at 22:13:25 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Kek. Presidents don't give a shit once they are in power. It's almost like they lie to get it.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 22:17:32 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Then let's bring out the guillotine. Even the founding fathers of the USA knew that democracies only work when the leaders of the nation fear the people of the nation.
a_stupid_weirdo · 2 points · Posted at 21:50:58 on February 6, 2022 · (Permalink)
Unironically yes.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 18:44:35 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Lol!
Guaymaster · 1 points · Posted at 21:52:41 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
The point is that for every great king you have a terrible one, and they rule for life or until some bloody civil war replaces them. Republics can rarely get as great heads of state and government as monarchies, but they also will much more rarely get buffons in power, and they will last just for a few years.
Republics have less variance in leadership quality because the number of rulers per unit of time is a lot bigger than in monarchies.
Mammoth_Frosting_014 · 4 points · Posted at 16:42:41 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Nice chin, your majesty.
lil-fil · 5 points · Posted at 18:10:22 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Nice detail on the jaw
Manach_Irish · 4 points · Posted at 19:12:25 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Popes come and go. Some good or bad, but the Papacy endures.
fuzzygreentits · 4 points · Posted at 19:47:25 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
That's why I love democracy.
People just vote in the moron first while smearing the good guy with propaganda.
Rhyan_the_chad · 3 points · Posted at 19:54:26 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Republic: The president is perfect, what could go wrong? Not even a decade later: 😡
National_Goose · 4 points · Posted at 22:50:08 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Still based especially when your the king!
Noskal_Borg · 5 points · Posted at 22:51:58 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Both bible and Book of Mormon say this. But King Mosiah (son of King Benjamin) points out more clearly that the people are royally boned if there is a bad king (he was only being figurative and didn't say "boned" but getting literally raped by royals/nobility IS part of the problem).
Anyway, yeah, monarchy has never been cool in Jehovah/Christ's eyes.
AnExtremeMistake · 4 points · Posted at 23:00:05 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Arbroath moment
enraged_lunatic · 6 points · Posted at 15:36:39 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Lol another funni. Sometimes this sub delivers.
QuarantineSucksALot · 1 points · Posted at 22:09:25 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Lol I literally dissociated
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[deleted] · 6 points · Posted at 16:41:47 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Yep, the problem with kings is that they have shitty kids- and sometimes worse than everyone else's kid because of privilege.
csdspartans7 · 2 points · Posted at 19:15:07 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Like business, someone starts it, kid grows it, grandkid runs it into the ground
AloofBalloon · 40 points · Posted at 15:04:03 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Right because leaving the decision of who should run the country up to middle America has worked out sooooo well.
evesea2 · 48 points · Posted at 15:35:36 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Leaving who should run the country to coastal America has worked so well.
TheDadThatGrills · 34 points · Posted at 15:25:36 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
It's not a great system, just a better one.
OMG--Kittens · 3 points · Posted at 16:16:58 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Our newly elected king would like to have a word with you.
besticandois5bux · -5 points · Posted at 18:25:34 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Not a single fucking metric.
wave_327 · 4 points · Posted at 15:31:57 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
that's what the Tenth Amendment is for
AloofBalloon · 2 points · Posted at 15:33:33 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Is or was?
p_pio · 27 points · Posted at 15:12:11 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
From the bunch of nobodies that got independence mostly because mainland decided that sending bigger army would cost to much to be profitable to greatest superpower dominating worlds economy and cultuure with greatest military might.
It worked quite well.
AloofBalloon · 19 points · Posted at 15:13:44 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
They still make Patriotic Centrists?
[deleted] · 7 points · Posted at 16:59:42 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
We exist.
p_pio · 18 points · Posted at 15:22:08 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
I'm not even american, so I don't know. I know only that leaving decision who should run country to middle America ended much better for USA than leaving it to nobles ended for my country ;).
Lobstery_boi · 6 points · Posted at 15:40:26 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Based and monarchy is smoothbrain pilled
Informal_Chemist6054 · 18 points · Posted at 15:58:43 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
It has. You get to bitch over purple haired women and their genders/ someone flying a Gadsden flag instead of worrying about what whether or not your family will live to see tomorrow.
AloofBalloon · 8 points · Posted at 16:08:36 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Centrist, eh?
Handarthol · 2 points · Posted at 18:24:50 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Tbf that's mostly the doing of markets
[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 20:45:36 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Of course it is
[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 17:26:46 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
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AloofBalloon · 0 points · Posted at 17:39:12 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Thats certainly the case. But the illusion is strong and so long as people think they are free then the cycle continues unperturbed
[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 22:36:38 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Going into third generation of peace and prosperity
Science moving somewhat slowly but steadily forward
By far most powerful military on the globe
Could be worse I guess
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Psychicmonkeycultist · 15 points · Posted at 15:33:29 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Better than some inbred royalty that have no clue how to wipe their own asses
TheAzureMage · 4 points · Posted at 20:46:15 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
This guy's trying to take the jobs of the ass wipers! Get him!
AloofBalloon · 2 points · Posted at 15:37:19 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
So elitist whores that have no clue how to wipe their own asses is....superior?
FireHazard11 · 3 points · Posted at 19:43:39 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Yes. Because they're ultimately accountable to the people, so they have to at least pretend to care. A king can tell the peasants to get fucked without any consequences.
SFX1415 · 3 points · Posted at 16:59:58 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
monarchy with a good ruler is one of the best forms of goverment, if not the best, with a bad ruler it is one of the worst forms of goverment
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newsSAUR · 3 points · Posted at 17:25:30 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
We have been cursed! God have mercy on us all!
TheBigCR · 3 points · Posted at 17:52:22 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
what if they just make a chatbot AI the king? Like Tay or whatever authright is into these days
LudoAvarius · 3 points · Posted at 17:55:29 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
This is the 2020 election in a nutshell.
SinisterChef · 3 points · Posted at 18:30:38 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Good meme and all but more importantly, did OP make some OC in the middle face?
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[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 19:06:58 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Imagine a ecclesiastical college that trains governors, and based off merit and character are installed in power by the Pope, who acts on a carefully written constitution that prevents blood succession or accumulation of power among families.
Hnnnnggg
wanderingsalad · 3 points · Posted at 21:00:08 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
That's why Theistic Monarchy is based.
sewage_soup · 3 points · Posted at 23:59:40 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Monarchism is the definitive high risk-high reward playstyle
Finnlandball · 3 points · Posted at 00:47:13 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
King chad would have either abolished prince virgin’s right to succession, or trained him to become prince chad
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 00:52:17 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Prince Virgin 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
GreenAppleCZ · 5 points · Posted at 18:21:02 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
This only applies to absolute monarchism.
And even though, the prince has been educated in the ways of politics and ruling the country as well as etiquette since his very young years.
So the chance of him becoming a dickhead should be low.
The meme is funny and I like it, but I'm just leaving this here for those who decided to take the opportunity and spit on monarchy.
[deleted] · 7 points · Posted at 15:47:13 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
European history prior to 1914 in a nutshell
Above-Average-Foot · 8 points · Posted at 16:40:09 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Doesn’t look any worse than what “democracy” puts in office.
LynndorTruffle · 13 points · Posted at 16:43:49 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Please go outside.
besticandois5bux · 13 points · Posted at 18:27:11 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
....but I live in an actual monarchy tho
LynndorTruffle · 4 points · Posted at 18:58:58 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Exactly. Go outside!......and bring a guillotine!
FemboyJess666 · 11 points · Posted at 16:57:16 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
There is no greater honor than giving your life for your liege
For king and country
TheAzureMage · 4 points · Posted at 20:47:25 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
It would be rude of me to take the greatest honor for myself, instead of letting the glorious king have it.
In war, let us acknowledge their greatness by allowing our leaders to take the front lines.
Zelkiiro · 8 points · Posted at 17:11:19 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
No, I'm pretty sure the greatest honor is having Mulan for a daughter.
FemboyJess666 · 9 points · Posted at 17:13:10 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Where’s my nationalist tomboy gf?
Clilly1 · 2 points · Posted at 17:10:21 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Is this a joke I'm too free to understand?
bloodycups · 2 points · Posted at 18:10:24 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Or you can be like the Chad roman empire, not have an enumerated process for succession because the emperors authority was always defacto and not dejur so you just have a civil war anytime an emperor dies.
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RoscoMan1 · 1 points · Posted at 19:48:27 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
democrats can do it anytime, it is implied that Darlene gave it to. Perspective in life is very important and will have a hard time of it all. But there is no reason for him to slip like nononono pls don't
Kolakan_ · 2 points · Posted at 23:20:23 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Bruh, I thought this was a CK3 post at first
PM_ME_DNA · 2 points · Posted at 23:22:22 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
At least there is one good king.
1CEninja · 2 points · Posted at 23:39:42 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Time and time again in history, fantastic monarchs have left behind the worst empires once someone else takes over.
DarkGuts · 2 points · Posted at 00:21:11 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Guess he never played Crusader Kings. You learn this lesson real quick.
Shakespeare-Bot · 0 points · Posted at 00:21:27 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Guess he nev'r did play crusader kings. Thee learneth this lesson real quick
I am a bot and I swapp'd some of thy words with Shakespeare words.
Commands:
!ShakespeareInsult,!fordo,!optoutprogramofuse · 5 points · Posted at 15:42:05 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
It’s worth it
Scipio_Canadensis · 3 points · Posted at 16:18:08 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Just be an elective monarchy smh
SPECTREagent700 · 2 points · Posted at 18:07:05 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
The Holy Roman Empire was technically an elective monarch but it was basically rigged so the Hapsburg won almost every time.
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 18:45:26 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Based! Ideal form of governance.
caliguIa_ · 3 points · Posted at 19:38:25 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Better than having all your leaders be funded by corporations and elected by the stupidest people in your country
seraph582 · 2 points · Posted at 20:33:25 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Man whomever likes monarchy has utterly failed at learning history.
Dvaloin · 2 points · Posted at 16:32:16 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Based and historically accurate pilled.
Aarakokra · 2 points · Posted at 16:53:23 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
They say a cheat code for a nation succeeding is getting lucky enough to have 100 years of good leadership. I’m no monarchist, but that’s not really viable when your country switches their leader every 4-8 years
[deleted] · 5 points · Posted at 20:52:51 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Can you name any five nations in world history that had a full century of good governance? The closest we get are places like Venice and San Marino that had multiple centuries with only minor issues.
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 18:13:33 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
This is why elective monarchy
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DA-ZACHYZACHY · 1 points · Posted at 18:42:49 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Like a president, but they serve till death? Could work, as long as their powers are limited
btw339 · 2 points · Posted at 18:45:55 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
>Not de-clawing your monarch with a constitution.
They aren't there to be some le based dictator. They are there to put an upper limit on scheming and ambitious men. When these lizard brains reach for the cookie jar of power, they are to discover a harmless fat cat has beaten them to it by birthright.
AppleSavoy · 2 points · Posted at 19:12:06 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
What if you elected kings so they’re always competent ?
[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 21:33:22 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Yeah, elections are really working out great lately.
AppleSavoy · 2 points · Posted at 21:34:48 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Place a soldier near the ballot box that instructs you to vote the right candidate then
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 21:36:12 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Just let God decide. If a good king is deserved, a good king will be born. If the people deserve a bad king, then a retard will be born.
Elections are a disgusting way of deciding who runs the country.
Auth0ritySong · 1 points · Posted at 17:11:40 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Have the king appoint Knights and then the knights are the ones in the election for a new King
Birb-Person · 1 points · Posted at 17:13:45 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
That sounds like the Vatican. Pope appoints cardinals, cardinals elect the Pope
Auth0ritySong · 1 points · Posted at 17:32:34 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
It seems to work pretty well too. If only govt was as non-intrusive as the Catholic Church
Birb-Person · 1 points · Posted at 17:35:49 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
The Vatican is a government, and they’re one of the nations of the world with a 0% tax rate
Auth0ritySong · 1 points · Posted at 17:51:06 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Sounds awesome. Except I don't think they would just let me in
Birb-Person · 1 points · Posted at 17:59:52 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
They give people residential status, and only give citizenship to people with jobs in the country. Anyone who resigns has their citizenship revoked and automatically replaced with Italian citizenship
Handarthol · 1 points · Posted at 18:27:22 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Time to become a priest for tax evasion purposes. I guess if God lets me not pay taxes, God truly is good.
Guaymaster · 1 points · Posted at 21:44:23 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
And purples can become priests for other reasons, the Vatican is really the perfect libright state!
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 20:54:12 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
So Tanistry.
Auth0ritySong · 1 points · Posted at 00:02:34 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
I just looked it up, and no, not tanistry. Much more like the Pope election system
vonbalt · 0 points · Posted at 16:30:29 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
The chances of having a bad monarch are infinite smaller than the chances of having a bad president, just look at history.
Slow_Cow_5709 · 1 points · Posted at 03:53:36 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
vonbalt · -1 points · Posted at 04:22:14 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Yup, it's mostly the American librights whom have this hatebonner for monarchy thanks to their founding myths.
I'm mostly a minarchist and believe monarchy is much more suitable for that than those modern oligarchies larping as res publica.
DerRommelndeErwin · 2 points · Posted at 07:23:44 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Yeah, nothing is more liberal than a dictatorship
vonbalt · 0 points · Posted at 09:13:01 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Monarchy =/= dictatorship
Are the UK, Canada, Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Spain, Liechtenstein among others dictatorships?
DerRommelndeErwin · 3 points · Posted at 10:32:02 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
I thought we talk about the real thing not that knock of versions of presidents with out power.
vonbalt · 0 points · Posted at 12:06:27 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
They are all the real thing be it democratic or autocratic, constitutional or absolutist and so on.
My "flavor" of monarchy is a constitutional one where the monarch holds significant power but well defined and limited by the constitution while aided by a council/parliament in the day to day rulling of the realm.
Many countries had such systems before the last few centuries where republics were romanticized back to life only to replace well functioning monarchies by shit oligarchies be it by revolution, coup or aftermatch of wars.
Not every monarchy was shit-tier like the French absolutists.
ryry117 · 1 points · Posted at 17:06:01 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
A Catholic Theocratic Constitutional Monarchy is the ultimate government. The world will continue to suffer until this is implemented.
AcceptableSolution · 2 points · Posted at 00:56:56 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
eww c*tholics
danshakuimo · 1 points · Posted at 23:49:19 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Isn't that basically just the Papal States
Cy41995 · 0 points · Posted at 18:00:07 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Monarchy is great until you realize that the bad kings outnumber the good ones.
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besticandois5bux · 11 points · Posted at 18:28:42 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
This is what happens when your "history" classes consist of nothing but the holocaust and sucking off MLK
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besticandois5bux · 8 points · Posted at 19:20:43 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Comeback game weak
DeadKingOfScotland · -2 points · Posted at 02:14:28 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
He’s right though
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DeadKingOfScotland · 1 points · Posted at 03:10:19 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
You claim that monarchy doesn’t work in theory or practice, despite historical evidence to the contrary. Even a retard could make accurate comments regarding your historical knowledge
DeadKingOfScotland · 1 points · Posted at 03:18:46 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Not even some terribly staunch monarchist, but history shows that monarchy in practice works just like this meme. There’s a good king and things work really well, then later there’s a stupid king and things go to shit.
Monarchism always works in theory because the king’s God’s special boy or some shit
DeadKingOfScotland · 9 points · Posted at 17:22:15 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Objectively wrong, but okay
[deleted] · -3 points · Posted at 20:53:30 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Still better than democracy, where people will willingly vote for the idiot just to own their neighbors.
okThisYear · 0 points · Posted at 17:20:03 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
There will be kings who try to live forever by mixing technology with their biology. It's imperative that they die
[deleted] · 0 points · Posted at 17:28:28 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
This is beautiful!
tugged_titts69 · 0 points · Posted at 17:57:45 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Based
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breecekong · 0 points · Posted at 18:17:26 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Based and Thomas Paine pilled
Dear-Deer-Wife-Life · 0 points · Posted at 19:26:23 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
in an ideal scenario, the king would die and his son would be trained from childhood to be the perfect king, this happens a good portion of the time but once every century the son is a retarded power freak, or a 2 year old, this made sense when most of the population were illiterate peasants that didn't know what was good for them, not that people today do, constitutional monarchies were really a step in the right direction.
theredwolf71703 · 0 points · Posted at 19:28:27 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
This is why constitutional monarchy is the only really acceptable form of monarchy.
Muddycarpenter · 0 points · Posted at 19:40:17 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
If i had to be a monarchist, then id want a system like the one that picks supreme court justices or the pope. You rule for life, yes, BUT you are elected democratically by a supermajority and not inherited the positon. Also, you can be forced to abdicate at any time by a simple majority.
[deleted] · 0 points · Posted at 19:55:51 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
I assume no one is serious when they push monarchism, so much as expressing how futile it seems to have non-corrupt competent leaders in democracy.
pop_smurf · 0 points · Posted at 20:02:56 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Elective monarchy exists (is that auth-right)?
Jarl_Ivarr · 0 points · Posted at 20:03:00 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Virgin Hereditary Monarchy vs Chad Witenagemot Elective Monarchy
[deleted] · 0 points · Posted at 20:06:23 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
That's why you have elective monarchies.
[deleted] · 0 points · Posted at 21:36:54 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
People gaining power without working for it are almost always assholes or incompetent.
lUcYiM1939 · -3 points · Posted at 20:03:41 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Of course you traitor American hate Monarchy because the King is absolutely superior than your founding fathers. You have to keep on making lies and propaganda about the king, tearing down his statues just like how those leftists tear down yours stupid statues. If you really read through your pathetic history, you will see those orange woke leftists are the one who truly inherit founding fathers and Puritan settlers spirit. That’s why America is hopeless. Karma is real, bitch. American patriots are trying to the defend their exact opposite, traitors and nonbelievers. America is wrong from the beginning. DEATH TO AMERICA!
ComradesVodka · 1 points · Posted at 21:32:14 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Watch your tongue while talking about the best country in the goddamn. Suck my atomic nuts and Wash-ington that mouth.
Right__not__wrong · -1 points · Posted at 17:20:39 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Elected monarch with full power but for a limited time.
I'll go first.
Theelout · 2 points · Posted at 17:22:22 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Isn’t that just a democracy with an extremely powerful executive?
Right__not__wrong · 2 points · Posted at 18:39:57 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Yeah, you get to choose your tyrant :D
Everscore · -1 points · Posted at 17:29:03 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
But how?! His dad was BASED how come his firstborn son isn’t noooooooo
DopplerOctopus · 1 points · Posted at 15:56:21 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Based and Feet-of-clay-pilled
hamburgerlord · 1 points · Posted at 16:13:13 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Anyone have a link to the wojak i the middle? That’s a great expression.
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 16:14:59 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Here u go man. https://warosu.org/biz/thread/9920470
ComradeHavoc · 1 points · Posted at 16:16:41 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Killing the king's court is easier than the state government.
lyamc · 1 points · Posted at 16:19:54 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Tale as old as time
kaiserkulp · 1 points · Posted at 16:21:55 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Just elect a King, no big deal. Just be like Poland and have a unanimous vote
Mechanical_Jaguar · 1 points · Posted at 16:25:16 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
What is Doing Carlos II of Spain El Hechizado:format(jpg)/f.elconfidencial.com%2Foriginal%2Fe95%2F449%2F51c%2Fe9544951c85f8de1b21df143075b2e9c.jpg) there?
Godzilla_original · 1 points · Posted at 16:31:01 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
It is not that people didn't know back them that incest leads to fucked up children, people were not stupid, it was just that it was a preferable option to risk losing your throne later on or an ugly civil war.
Like, prior to the Portuguese Civil War, Pedro IV of Portugal tried to marry his daughter Mary II of Portugal to his brother, Miguel I, to try to avoid it. It didn't work out, but it is a clear example why they married close relatives.
JallerHCIM · 1 points · Posted at 16:33:27 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
I'm gonna tell my kids this was Game of Thrones
PunishedBagel · 1 points · Posted at 16:35:13 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
STOP POKING HOLES IN MY GUBBERNMENT
nicenicelol · 1 points · Posted at 16:35:55 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
this is why a war of succession should break out everytime a monarch dies, and the person who crowns himself the king is the winner (probably better than an elected E*ropean head of state)
the monarchist darwinism pack is out
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 20:50:50 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Not a war, just a battle Royale. Drop all the potential heirs into an arena and the last one standing wins.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 16:37:58 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
No King but Jesus!
leeljay · 1 points · Posted at 16:50:58 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Perhapsburg
FunnyColourEnjoyer · 1 points · Posted at 16:52:55 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Two words: elective monarchy
Psychological_Gain20 · 2 points · Posted at 18:07:24 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
That sounds like democracy with extra steps
SnooJokes1401 · 1 points · Posted at 16:54:44 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
The chin keeps coming and it don't stop coming
CagataySarp · 1 points · Posted at 16:57:32 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
you can always owerthrow the king
golddragon88 · 1 points · Posted at 17:06:32 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Yup
Savings-Treacle-4443 · 1 points · Posted at 17:07:11 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
There are elected monarchies...in theory, at least.
Pre-Norman England comes to mind. I mean, usually the current king's son was "elected," but not always. Harold Godwinson, for example...
...um, never mind.
Skelassassin · 1 points · Posted at 17:10:53 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Monarchism in a nutshell step 1 king conquers region step 2 have multiple sons step 3 king dies step 4 sons fight a civil war. Step 5 everyone dies rince and repeat
rileyuwu · 1 points · Posted at 17:14:20 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
This is why the king should be AI
Son_of_Sophroniscus · 1 points · Posted at 17:17:44 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
The king is dead, long love the king!
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but libertarians here actually think X Æ A-12 is going to be an innovative rocket scientist
Cannibal_Raven · 1 points · Posted at 17:21:08 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Case in point: Prince Markle Simp
QuickAsfUCK · 1 points · Posted at 17:27:20 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
in Brazil it was the opposite
TheMembership332 · 1 points · Posted at 17:27:54 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Pope when the retarded ill son takes the throne: my time has come
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 17:32:12 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
This is why the king has 100+ children and forces them to compete in a death game to pinpoint a worthy successor, duh
Gifigi600 · 1 points · Posted at 17:32:30 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
F in the chat for King Chad
ApXv · 1 points · Posted at 17:41:17 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
I'm afraid this is happening in Norway. We've had 3 kings since gaining independence in 1905 and they were great an immensly popular but I'm skeptical about the next ones in line. Our king isn't gonna live for many more years so we'll see soon.
previously_on_earth · 1 points · Posted at 17:46:32 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Give me Incest or give me death
Smith_Winston_6079 · 1 points · Posted at 18:06:59 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Monarchy is rule by a person.
But the person
Is retarded.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 18:09:14 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
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hvaffenoget · 1 points · Posted at 18:10:05 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Danish Crown Prince was on track to be bearable, almost even based sometimes.
Then he married A Modern Woman
ThreeHoleKamala · 1 points · Posted at 18:18:30 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
That's how it ends up, yeah, but that's not the rationale behind how it starts.
Outofmany · 1 points · Posted at 18:20:25 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Don’t worry, we’re all Marxists now. If you feel it’s true, it is.
FurryFurFur5 · 1 points · Posted at 18:28:15 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
The massive advantage of monarchism is that killing one person (the king) is enough to stop the tyranny. But with current governments you could kill a 100 people and the trash political party wouldn’t budge.
joeality · 1 points · Posted at 18:29:48 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Thailand
_MyHouseIsOnFire_ · 1 points · Posted at 18:36:18 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Average EU4 game when your ruler does from 5-6-6 to 1-0-0
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 18:42:20 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
The King of the LORD’s Castle will never die and that’s word to Nietzsche’s bitch ass
Yweain · 1 points · Posted at 18:42:54 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Reminds me of every play through of Crusader Kings that I did.
Agora_A · 1 points · Posted at 18:47:46 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
8 way civil war with a dipshit monarch every like 35 years
Calvinbah · 1 points · Posted at 18:55:37 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
This got me. This was gold.
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sircj05 · 1 points · Posted at 19:02:34 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Democracy, too, tends to be a cycle of Marcus Aurelius’ and Commodus’
Meme_Pope · 1 points · Posted at 19:04:29 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
New government type: Clone the same king and raise him under the exact same circumstances. (This is the plot of The Boys From Brazil)
Hugh__Jassman · 1 points · Posted at 19:05:17 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
King of Thailand be like
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Hugh__Jassman · 1 points · Posted at 19:07:17 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Suck my dick
csdspartans7 · 1 points · Posted at 19:07:46 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Not if we do it Foundation style and have the same man with 3 clones of himself at different ages constant cycling through
SmokyBarnable01 · 1 points · Posted at 19:08:26 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Ah the EU4 experience when your 6/6/6 heir dies in a hunting accident and you get a 0/0/1 replacement.
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NeoKnightArtorias · 1 points · Posted at 19:21:24 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
This is why Integralism is the answer
Forgatta · 1 points · Posted at 19:22:21 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Also Rome fall a millenia early beacuse purple lib right preatorian guard
RoscoMan1 · 1 points · Posted at 19:23:18 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
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ghostmech007 · 1 points · Posted at 19:29:11 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Someone doesn't know how to use the intrigue tab in CK3
DingiskhanOG · 1 points · Posted at 19:34:03 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Almost thought i was in the CK sub for a minut
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ChaosisStability · 1 points · Posted at 19:35:45 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
So what did the king inbreed his relatives or something
zc0p · 1 points · Posted at 19:41:03 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Habsjerk
Cincinnatusian · 1 points · Posted at 19:56:07 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Who would deny the rights of King Chad II
doihavemakeanewword · 1 points · Posted at 19:57:37 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
It's like a dictatorship but nepotism is seen as a necessary feature?
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 20:03:46 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Based
kittana91 · 1 points · Posted at 20:10:15 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Hey why are you making memes of my Crusader Kings III save
DraconianDebate · 1 points · Posted at 20:25:10 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
When the king dies, the new king should be chosen through feats of strength.
Meowshi · 1 points · Posted at 20:27:32 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Market Socialism is the belief that workplace democracy in the form of worker co-ops should be mandated, and that markets have been historically more effective at structuring the economy around rather than a centrally-planned command center. It is more than a policy, it is an entire ideology that is focused on eliminating the bourgeoisie as a political power class.
Kireba2 · 1 points · Posted at 20:48:37 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Charles II of Spain
samurai_for_hire · 1 points · Posted at 20:48:41 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Virgin letting the bad heir rule vs chad Mandate of Heaven has been revoked
IG_Triple_OG · 1 points · Posted at 20:51:01 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Love the edited chin of the retard wojak
Wielkopolskiziomal · 1 points · Posted at 21:06:17 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Thats why you need a RESTITVTOR ORBIS in your life
Richard_Stonee · 1 points · Posted at 21:15:37 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Just drag him to the nearest river and drown him. The krauts figured this out hundreds of years ago.
senor_Adolf · 1 points · Posted at 21:26:44 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
That's why many nations ended up electing kings
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 21:29:07 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Instead of losing our Chad king and possibly getting a retarded heir, we have democracy, where only retards can ever get elected.
Great argument.
superior_smv · 1 points · Posted at 21:34:24 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
That a problem with absolutism in a normal monarchy he would be thrown out of power by the elite , killed by the population or in the case of Germany and Japan replaced by a militant junta
Slap_duck · 1 points · Posted at 21:48:10 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Elective Monarchism ftw
ATHdelphinos · 1 points · Posted at 21:51:19 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
time for BLOODY REVOLUTION
TruckerGabe · 1 points · Posted at 21:52:43 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
King Chad of Incelvaynia
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 21:56:19 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
THUS MANDATE OF HEAVEN!
THUS ELECTION OF KINGS!
still a better chance of 50/50 for a good king vs 100/100 for an elected conman .
FartSmella3 · 1 points · Posted at 21:57:00 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
interbred king
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 22:16:24 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
There's a reason this anti-meritocratic nepotistic governance died out everywhere except crappy 3rd world African/Middle Eastern countries.
Ineedloveplz · 1 points · Posted at 22:24:36 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Ck3
QuarantineSucksALot · 1 points · Posted at 22:51:29 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Having a great deal
wellwhatnow443 · 1 points · Posted at 23:07:05 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Based
Iron_Wolf123 · 1 points · Posted at 23:30:27 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
6/6/5/ king, 0/0/0 heir
senfmann · 1 points · Posted at 23:34:31 on February 4, 2022 · (Permalink)
Crusader Kings moment
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 00:00:22 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Better than Commies
Rikers_Pet · 1 points · Posted at 00:00:49 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
50 years of chad is still better than democr*cy can manage.
twaraven1 · 1 points · Posted at 00:02:41 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Monarchy is good until it isn't.
ciganyvero1 · 1 points · Posted at 00:09:39 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Still the best state type by far
-_______________-_- · 1 points · Posted at 00:30:40 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Yeah, that's basically the best argument against dictatorships and monarchy.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 00:43:06 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
simple. Elected Monarch in a republic where you must be based and philosophy pilled in order to be a citizen
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 00:44:47 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Never gonna make it
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 00:52:32 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Cope Auths
Dabpenking · 1 points · Posted at 00:58:39 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Guys he was literally born to rule
suprised-sushi · 1 points · Posted at 01:02:58 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
That’s the fun part
Darklance · 1 points · Posted at 01:04:16 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Elected Monarchy with random chance of regicide. Only power is veto over parliament and max one parliamentary execution per week, free nice house & harem.
Gladiatorial games for capital crimes. Indentured servitude for property crimes. I get to decide on the flag.
thenighmareofdeath · 1 points · Posted at 01:23:23 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Well, who the hell told the king the king sleeping with his cousin was a good idea.
toast_across · 1 points · Posted at 01:27:47 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
This is why monarchism is bad.
Authoritarian Republicanism ftw
-YEETmcBEET- · 1 points · Posted at 01:37:19 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
poland cough cough
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 01:38:36 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
That's what you have regencies for...
Also based Habsburg political marriages!
MrBobBuilder · 1 points · Posted at 01:39:01 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
CK III
Ecstatic-Newspaper75 · 1 points · Posted at 01:52:11 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Ooga booga
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Ecstatic-Newspaper75 · 1 points · Posted at 01:52:50 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Unga bunga
happinessmachine · 1 points · Posted at 02:01:44 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
At least it says 50 years on the grave stone. In America this happens every 4-8 years.
Heavy_E79 · 1 points · Posted at 02:31:09 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
That's the problem with hereditary monarchies, if you're going to have a monarchy you're better off having something like the Witan select a new king after the old one dies. That has it's own issues but it's way better than just giving it to someone just because he was part of the king's jizz at some point.
tugue · 1 points · Posted at 02:32:09 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Everyone after Prince Charles becomes a king be like:
leolikesarson · 1 points · Posted at 03:28:30 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
A bullet is a beautiful thing.
FloofyImperialist · 1 points · Posted at 05:31:53 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Have you tried… elective monarchy?
Strict-Praline6994 · 1 points · Posted at 05:52:14 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
SIC SEMPER TYRANNUS
AnimatorGirl1231 · 1 points · Posted at 05:52:58 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
That’s quite literally what’d happen due to all the inbreeding monarchies tended to take part in.
Hosj_Karp · 1 points · Posted at 07:29:40 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
@unironic monarchists: what is the argument? help me to understand.
Perturabo_Iron_Lord · 1 points · Posted at 07:42:10 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
People love monarchies when they got that 6/6/6 ruler but screech when they inevitably get that 0/0/0 ruler
Leviathan_Lovecraft · 1 points · Posted at 09:11:55 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Vladimir Putin, I fear. He's an amazing leader for such a superpower that Russia is, and deals with America pretty peacefully. I fear what may happen after him, when American presidents keep getting dumber and dumber, someone without the patience of Putin may cause WW3, Which would go nuclear for sure.
hitchens1949 · 1 points · Posted at 09:48:32 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
"The idea of hereditary legislators is as inconsistent as that of hereditary judges, or hereditary juries; and as absurd as an hereditary mathematician, or an hereditary wise man; and as ridiculous as an hereditary poet laureate." - Thomas Paine
Bo-Katan · 1 points · Posted at 10:52:35 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Elective monarchy is the answer.
vjibomb · 1 points · Posted at 11:17:06 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
CHARLES THE FOURTH, KING OF BOHEMIA AND HOLY ROMAN EMPEROR HAD A LONG AND SUCCESSFUL REIGN.
Baileaf11 · 1 points · Posted at 11:24:51 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
It starts out good then one guy fucks it up
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 11:31:52 on February 5, 2022 · (Permalink)
Basically socrates dilemma
Kris091r · 1 points · Posted at 02:11:28 on February 10, 2022 · (Permalink)
I don't like how true this it
DiePack123 · 1 points · Posted at 17:10:27 on February 10, 2022 · (Permalink)
Even when the King is retarded monarchism is still the best system of government by absolute miles.
NahImGoDIThink · 1 points · Posted at 20:01:25 on February 10, 2022 · (Permalink)
Ha, primordial Rules of royals sucked!
Iskbartheonetruegod · 1 points · Posted at 13:47:04 on July 18, 2023 · (Permalink)
An actually good meme on
r/politicalcompassmemes!?!?! I never thought that I would see one