This isn't really a detail within the film, but its been 12 hours and its on the frontpage so there wouldn't be much point in removing it at this point.
For future reference, r/BeforePost is probably the better fit for posts like these
I agree. People like to call out shitty mods for being shitty (rightfully so), but we should also recognize good mods for being good. So I’m gonna recognize YOU for recognizing him. Good looks hommie.
[deleted] · 6 points · Posted at 04:28:14 on June 18, 2018 · (Permalink)
Fun fact: the reference actress is Sherri Stoner, who would go on to write for Tiny Toon Adventures and Animaniacs. She was also the voice of Slappy Squirrel
[deleted] · 661 points · Posted at 14:53:18 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
What a time to be alive in. I had the same question in mind, before I even attempted to google "who is the real human actress the little mermaid 1989" the answer just appeared right in front of my eyes without me doing anything.
[deleted] · 62 points · Posted at 16:10:35 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Based on facial features (lips, nose shape, bone structure, etc...) as far as I understand. Not necessarily color pallet or even an exact 1:1 representation.
[deleted] · 33 points · Posted at 16:28:48 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
(Shrug). She mostly looks like Sherri Stoner to me. I guess Alyssa's nose is there. Mouth, maybe. Eyebrows?
You know what, I'm seeing it now. Translate by making Alyssa's small eyes about 5 times their size into absurd cartoon eyes, and then yes, give her some PCP because they are on opposite ends of the emotional spectrum.
Without doing that, Sherri looks way more like Ariel because she is closer to having cartoon eyes and emotions.
The animator looked at a lot of photos including the live action reference to create Ariel. The goal was to create a princess that would appeal to young girls in the 80s, so that’s one reason they picked young Alyssa Milano. She was popular. A photograph of Milano apparently appears in a BTS shot on the animator’s drawing board.
This article talks a bit about it including some extra stuff about classical art inspiration and clothing references to other Disney works.
Sorry I appear to have replied to the wrong line. I was responding to people who said she looked like someone else. My point. Was that the animators did have a model in mind and similarities to someone else were coincidental. Sorry to waste everyone’s time.
There's a Nostalgia Critic video about Animaniacs where the cast (including Sherri Stoner) talk about the making of the show and stuff. It's an interesting watch
Butch Hartman, the guy who created Fairly Odd Parents and Danny Phantom was a reference actor in Pocahontas for the blonde guy I can't remember the name of
Wow. I was watching Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency yesterday and I couldn't figure out who Bart reminded me of (besides a far more bad ass Domino). I realized that the way she talked and even the shape of her head/hair and all is just like Slappy Squirrel. Weird that I would see her referenced not even 24 hours later.
Professional animator here: this shot is not rotoscoped or drawn over. Its used for reference and inspiration. All animators usually film themselves before starting a shot, you have no idea how much footage exsists of thirty something men acting like 17 year old girls, or horses... or whatever.
Also, rotoscoping as a very particular look and feel. It is definitely the 2d version of the uncanny valley. Animation needs to be pushed beyond reality to give it that extra umph.
Famous scenes like the snow white dance number (which was reused frame by frame in jungle book and aristocats) are rotoscoped, and you can tell cause its more smooth and less weighty than the rest of the animation.
TIL of the term uncanny valley. This is what makes The Polar Express look so weird, yes? Also Leia’s and Tarkin’s appearances in Rogue One, IMHO. I’ve also read that Shrek’s Fiona was way over the line and had to be pulled back....true?
Yea, motion capture when poorly done is the 3d version of rotoscoping. Andy Skerkis is LOATHED in the animation community because if you hear him talk you think the computers just record his performance and poof its 1x1. The reality is there is an army of artists taking his performance pushing and adapting it.
I had never realized this until my animator sister told me about it. On one hand, I get that with the work he puts in, he wants to be able to say that he was Gollum. The same way Helen Mirren played the Queen. But on the other, a big part of Gollum and Caesar is the CG makeup and it's pretty rough to ignore that
Yea, his performance is %100 collaboration of dozens if not hundreds of artists. He has been on a campaign for years to get the academy to allow mocap in the best actor categories. Its extremely disingenuous. Its not just "digital makeup" as he would have you believe.
To be fair, he's put down some amazing work. It's not odd that he'd want some recognition for it. He should upsell his animators more. But don't they have CGI categories in the Oscars?
They do, and he has... but thats not good enough for him. And after beauty and the beast was the first animation feature nominated for best picutre the academy changed the rules so animation could no longer be in best picture, because of their precious actors feel feels.
Not even close. Best Animated as a category was created in 2001, ten years after Beauty and the Beast. The idea had been batted around for a while before that but to put it frankly there just weren't enough competitors that met AMPAS nomination criteria to make it worthwhile.
Consider: if Beauty and the Beast had competed in the best animated category, it would have been guaranteed to compete against Rock-A-Doodle, which might also be known as the film that bankrupted Don Bluth's animation studio. Don Bluth is the guy who made All Dogs Go To Heaven, The Secret of NIMH, and The Land Before Time, and this film did so poorly it killed his studio. Oscar contender? Probably not. But it would have been in 91, because the only other animated film that met the nomination criteria that year was An American Tail: Fievel Goes West and you need at least three nominees on the shortlist.
Best Animated is a bullshit category for a few reasons, but a bunch of old movie dudes who are afraid of competing against singing teacups isn't one of them.
Dahn_0 · 4 points · Posted at 18:03:18 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
When did they change it exactly? I mean, Toy Story 3 was nominated to best picture in 2010 so...
You are correct, I mispoke, but they specifically added the category of best Animated Feature to try and prevent that. I don't think you will ever see an animated film ever win Best Picture, ever. The academy is bias'd towards.... lots of things....
Or as Frank explained it to Tracy in the 30 Rock episode Succession:
FRANK: Check out this chart. You see, as artificial representations of humans become more and more realistic, they reach a point where they stop being endearing and become creepy.
TRACY: Tell it to me in Star Wars.
FRANK: Alright. We like R2-D2 [points to “industrial robot”] and C-3PO [“humanoid robot”].
TRACY: They’re nice.
FRANK: And up here [points to “healthy person”] we have a real person like Han Solo.
TRACY: He acts like he doesn’t care, but he does.
FRANK: [pointing to the “uncanny valley”] But down here we have a CGI stormtrooper or Tom Hanks in The Polar Express.
I was waiting to see what Star Wars reference they were going to use for the uncanny valley (since that's the whole point of the bit) and they switched to Polar Express. lame writing.
CGI stormtroopers looked fine (real people look better, but the CGI stormtroopers were not uncanny valley) since they had helmets on their faces.
I felt like Leia's main problem was her acting, rather than the CGI face morph thing. The whole "stand there looking off at a weird angle, smiling like a drug addict who's just taken a good hit, and saying 'we have hope'" thing just strikes me as distinctly un-Leia. Too starry-eyed, not enough fierceness in the triumph, really too Disney Princess a moment, laid on a bit too thick.
Like it felt like Leia putting on a beauty-queen persona to record some kind of recruitment ad that she knew was being filmed, and it made the moment feel more like Spaceballs than Star Wars.
It's like if somebody did a biopic of George Washington and in the middle of crossing the Delaware he stood up in the front of the boat to pose for all the paintings that would be made of him crossing the Delaware.
The effect is somewhat mitigated by wrinkles, blemishes and other imperfections. There was that Final Fantasy movie back in 2001 that was a textbook example of the uncanny valley, but the old man scientist character came off looking the most believable.
In my first RO viewing I didn't catch on that Tarkin was a motion-capture animation. I wasn't aware that actor Peter Cushing had passed in 1994 at the age of 81. My disbelief was completely suspended.
My second viewing (of an eventual six times), I was aware that Tarkin's appearance was a work of motion-capture art. I was more critical of the character's movements, and I noticed subtle, strange things with a tilt of his head or a wave of his arm which took me into GTA-5 cutscene territory. But still, Tarkin is absolutely my favorite nostalgic character appearance by a parsec (other than Vader and his huuuuge can of Sith whoopass at the end of the movie).
And games. Although it seems like most games these days dont give af about the uncanny valley and just try to make it as realistic as possible anyways.
But i personally think its part of the reason why sims 4 looks more cartoony than sims 3. I think when they made it they made the decision to steer away from that for that reason. Especially since it seems most people try to murder their sims all the time, I think it would be suuuper weird if it was really realistic.
I really prefer a more cartoony look in games. Not just the characters, but the environment as well. I don't know what it is, but some of those semi realistic environments graphics give me headaches and nausea. Thought it might've been the FoV, but enough other games where I don't get that from.
Also yes, you are correct about Polar Express. Last I checked, the characters in that movie often showed up on Google Images when you searched "uncanny valley."
Interesting. In the OP’s gif, the actress is acting in a way that humans do not normally act. Her actions are way over the top, beyond reality in a sense. Does that impact rotoscoping? Meaning, would an actor who was acting over the top produce a rotoscope that wouldn’t have the negative effects?
I've always wondered about this since I've heard it for years. (Actually what I've heard said is they reused the Snow White dance scene in Robin Hood). How do you reuse animation? I can see how the movements are the same but wouldn't you still have to redraw everything since Maid Marion et al look completely different from Snow White and her costars? Do you know?
You have to redraw everything, yes, but you don't have to rechoreograph the whole movement and figure out everything about it. A dancer is spinning, okay, what are her hands doing? How is her head tilting? Is she on tiptoe or not? When she's got her back turned, what is her head doing? What are her arms doing? What kind of skirt does she have, how does it move?
It's quite complex to coordinate all the body parts so something doesn't look fake or off about the animation; there's a whole lot of stuff that the audience will never even notice if you get it right, but instantly feel that it looks wrong or fake somehow if you don't.
Copying animation sequences cuts down on the complexity of that problem---a lot. And while, yes, they do look quite a bit different, translating from one animation sequence to another is still easier than translating it from life. If someone were going to make a new animation sequence featuring a woman combing her hair like in the gif up top here, they would find it easier to use Ariel as a reference than the model, since much of the simplifying, the outlining, the shift into two dimensions, is taken care of already.
Yea they still have to redraw everything, but it saves you a ton of time and energy. Disney went through a low point in the 70s where the animation got a lot cheaper.... who hear remembers the disaster that was Black Cauldren?
I had that movie! And I hardly remember it. Was that really Disney? I thought it was a weird production company like Thumbelina or Troll in Central Park.
Noooope. Its disney. They mostly pretend it didnt happen. Not only is it bad but its really dark too. They turned things around after Fox and the Hound. On that production Don Bluth quit and took like 1/3 of the animators with him and started Bluth Studios (american tale, secret of nimh, and others). Suddenly artists who were inbetweeners and clean up were promited to animator, and it injected a lot of fresh blood and talent into disney.
Exactly. I want to upvote this post since I love seeing animation history on here, but the drawn-over comment is just so wildly off base. I think a lot of people assume reference and tracing are the same thing
As far as I know, it has that if it's done badly. If you rotoscope a whole character, it sucks. But in a show like Your Lie in April, they rotoscoped the hands in piano scenes iirc, and it made the scenes look freaking amazing. That kind of movement is very difficult to get right, especially with the timing of everything.
Heh, i dont have any men like girls footage handy, but Jeff Gabor is one of the best modern animators who does amazing acting work in his reference footage and translates it to his characters.
I personally love hiw his hands and hat translate into his trunk and ears.
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Horton Hears a Who Comparison Reel
Here is the original comparison reel. I created this as my first attempt to help aspiring animators understand the process to creating feature film animations. I hope it still finds a use. I'm very proud of the animations I was part of on that movie. It was definitely a very special crew we had, and a very special movie.
Fun fact: Jim Carry felt that Steve Carrels shots were getting more laughs than him, so near the end of production he re-recorded some lines AFTER they had been animated, so they look pretty odd that his voice isnt really matching up with the acting.
this is why I feel like all animated films are starting to blend together and feel the same. Everything has to have this over exaggerated movement and mimicry and it is just getting to the point it is becoming annoying cause every. single. animated. movie. is the same in this regard. Rarely any difference and it feels like there are like... 5 different characters throughout the animated movies, because you have one exagerrated movement for a bad guy, one for a hero, one for a comic relief, one for a girl and one for something else. Everything the same looking and moving. Like if there is no versatility. Of course, except some exceptions.
And I get that you have to make an animated character to feel like it's alive and moving all the time so it is not stiff and looking dead and like a doll, but it is just getting to a point when its more annoying than enyojable since everytime you see only few same set of movements on different characters.
I wish it went more subtle at times. Cause quite honestly, it feels like this needs a bit of a change, just not to feel we are stuck in a circle, or loop, of neverchanging movesets.
I love animated movies, but I just... after all this times, this feels like it is starting to turn me away from them. It's just constantly the same character with the same movement just in a different body.
But as I said, at least there are still some exceptions from time to time, which gives hope.
This is not written from hate, but from love to animated movies.
but.. that's what I'm saying.. It is all starting to blend together cause it is stagnating and not changing and every other character feels the very same as the one before that
Saying that it's stagnating in this regard implies that it's supposed to be changing. Big exaggerated movement will always be visually appealing and kids will always love it. If you don't like it, the thing that needs changing is your viewing habits. Adult-oriented animation (The Simpsons, etc) doesn't do this, and generally neither does most anime.
[deleted] · 6 points · Posted at 15:52:13 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Elsa from frozen?
I feel the exaggerated animation is for comedic effect. Toy story didn't have it, some characters from frozen didn't. Honestly I think exaggeration in animation is a wonderful comedic tool that is used sparingly by proper companies like Disney.
that's why I'm saying there at least are some exceptions. And exagerration is great, but if it's all the time, it gets boring and feels almost like a big cliché
Well, the point is that like in any profession there are people with different skill levels, and different companies have different hiring standards. If you graduated from Devry you are probably not going to get a job at Google.
Pixar and Disney have the best animators and other studios not so much. So if you want good animation watch Pixar and Disney and skip the crap by Dreamworks and whatever.
Wow!!! I’m gunna think of that whenever I watch her bending scenes now. I was skeptical about that guy being a genuine Kung fu master until he demonstrated how he fights without looking. Really cool stuff, thanks for sharing. There will never be enough ATLA content.
If he is the highest ranking master of his style, that would put him among the best. While it of course is debateable whether or not he would do well against grandmasters of different styles, because of his imparemant, he is no doubt one of the best. He could likely beat every average Redditor in a one on one fight.
If he is the highest ranking master of his style, that would put him among the best.
Would it really though? Like couldn't any MMA fighter have no problem dropping him?
While it of course is debateable whether or not he would do well against grandmasters of different styles, because of his imparemant, he is no doubt one of the best. He could likely beat every average Redditor in a one on one fight.
I doubt he is one of the best! If the best fighter in the world is man that barely looks under morbidly obese then what does that title even mean? Saying he can beat up redditors doesn't mean shit to me although I bet there's someone on this shit hole website that could probably take him easily. I don't doubt this man has a lot of experience with martial arts but I just don't think that's necessarily equivalent to actually ability in a fight.
When you hear "master", think expert. Does an expert mma fighter stop being an expert if they break their leg or get old? Howabout a pianist that gets arthritis?
They don't stop being an expert but they absolutely stop being the best. Maybe he was the best, maybe no one living is as good as he was but I know nothing about this guy beyond the obvious fact he is currently nowhere close to the best fighter in the world which was exactly my point.
xywv58 · -1 points · Posted at 16:14:50 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Maybe he meant biggest fighter
MrSups · 10 points · Posted at 16:55:08 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
I remember watching the special features for Avatar and they talk about this. One of the creators was doing reference animation for a villain monologue and he said something that stuck with me.
"That's some bad acting, but Bad acting makes fantastic animation."
evr487 · 1 points · Posted at 20:48:57 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
you could watch ~48 year old Jack Black act like a 17 year old girl in Jumanji
I don't have a link handy, but I know the animators of robot chicken did this and it was released as bonus footage on DVD releases and whatnot, so I'm sure it's made it's way to youtube
kfmush · 27 points · Posted at 15:06:21 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah. It’s common for lots of art mediums. My roommates in college were both animators, and they would often use each other for reference or the one guy’s girlfriend. I’m an illustrator and ill sometimes photograph myself for reference, regardless if it’s a man or a woman in drawing. Usually, though, if it’s a pose I’m having trouble with, I’ll do the pose and just kind of visually imagine what position my body is in. It it’s more difficult, I’ll look in a mirror. I save the photos for the most difficult poses (because I’m lazy).
My favorite is how artists will mimic the facial expressions when they draw. I naturally just contort my face as I’m drawing a funny expression without realizing it. I’m trying to visualize what I’m drawing by reading my muscle movements, I guess. Being an animation major and having to draw so many ridiculous faces, it was always fun to watch my roommate draw hunched over, making stupid faces at his Wacom monitor.
Yep. I've seen the referenve for Toothless in How To Train Your Drahon, one of the animators taped a piece of paper to the tail of their cat. Really funny to see how closely they line up.
The problem I have with that franchise is that they went from full animation(as in animators would animate all characters themselves) to rotoscoping the human characters which looked so wrong to me for such a cartoony style.
Yeah from what I understand about the animation process this is a far from uncommon practice. There is also typically cameras set up during voice over sessions when actors come in to record, because often their actions during said session can be used to add more personality to characters. Then you have movies like Rango that take this practice to the next level.
[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 17:52:49 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
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19Kilo · 2 points · Posted at 02:45:45 on June 18, 2018 · (Permalink)
I do not watch Rango enough. Probably should be one of my favorite movies for the weird ass townspeople and their conversations...
[heating a marshmallow on their camp fire]
Waffles: Marshmallows remind me of goin’ campin’ with my daddy. I could eat ’em all night long.
[his marshmallow sets on fire]
Waffles: Of course, he did make me cough ’em back up again for breakfast.
Buford: This one time, I coughed up an entire Dalmatian.
Elgin: That ain’t nothin’. I coughed up a whole tribe of pygmies. They started lookin’ at me weird.
Furgus: I remember them. They was quit friendly.
Spoons: I found a human spinal column in my fecal matter once.
[there’s an awkward silence around the camp fire]
Sergeant Turley: You might wanna get that looked at.
I breifly did some work on Tangled under Glen Keane (he is responsible for Ariel, The Beast, Rapunzel). He was in his 50s and that man can channel the hopes and dreams on young teenage girls like no ones bussiness.
With modern animation I think the practice of hiring an actor to film something like this is less common. I personally haven't experienced that in my twelve years working. Its super easy to pull out your phone now and go into a room and jump around. Some studios have rooms set up with pads, mirrors, and camera/pc for doing that. Back in 1990 filming anything... even on VHS would be cumbersome. So it makes sense that they would get a little more... official about it and treat it more like a shoot. In some ways a mocap shoot feels very analogous to this.
(I don't want to say they didn't do this at all on Tangled, but I personally didn't see it)
On Tangled specifically we did have the recordings of the voice actors available to us, but I would say its just another source of reference. The voice actors are typically in a sound booth speaking into a mic, and not "acting" per say.
I can't tell you how jealous I am that you got to work under the master Glen Keane. Too bad it wasn't during a 2D film though! Nothing will ever equal good ol' 2d animation.
I am not. I was only there as a contractor for a few months. But not gonna lie, it was pretty great to meet him and have him draw over my shots, he was very pleasant and generous person.
I feel I got the full Glen Keane experience because he wasnt doing 3d, he was still drawing notes on our shots in 2d animation. I recall during one dailies he got bored when the directors went off on a tangent and he started animating a T-Rex chasing Rapunzel before our eyes. When the directors finally re-engaged the rest of the room was "Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, Glen is animating!!!!!"
Oh wow that is amazing. I've been a Keane fanboy since the 90s and it's largely thanks to him that I work in animation. What a great experience for you to have.
Ya know you got me thinking about this more, and i suspect a big reason is CG animation is a little more... daily iterative process than the old 2d disney way. I can submit my shots multiple times a day to directors if nessisary and with a push of a button the shot is playblasted and sandwiched in its contextual shots. The director can then draw over my shot frame by frame in a cintiq and then i can access that at my desk. The feedback loop is so much faster that you can experiment with acting choices quickly, where as 20-30 years ago you wanted to be pretty clear what you were animating before you put pencil to paper.
People do put time lapse videos of their progress up. Do a youtube search for "animation progress reel" and you should get lots of hits. I think Jeff Gabor had some good ones up at one point.
All of the above. Ive done work for feature, commercials, and these days I do video games
:)
Edit: i misunderstood your question, you mean like live stream my process? I feel that would be a really boring stream, considering i average 2 to 5 seconds of animation per week. ;)
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 17:51:20 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Thanks for the answer. I'd say the process would be interesting!
But tbh, I was trying to make a Simpsons based joke! 😊
It depends on what you are animating. If you are looking for acting and/or dialog beats its works just fine. If you need to know how a monkey walks you go and look at a monkey. See the post I made earlier of Jeff Gabors Horton Hears a Who video, where he films himself for an elephant.
When I try to animate you realize your mental image can't hold that much detail of movement, or at least mine can't. I'm sitting in my chair giving myself a thumbs up to see how I shake and move
Totally, there is a lot to keep track of! I currently work in games and i dont film myself much these days, but i do get up out of my seat and go through the physical motions.
I went to a 4 year art school for animation but that was 16 years ago and now there are a lot of great online trade schools like animationmentor, ianimate, and anim school. They are a lot cheaper and frankly better curriculums than many four year schools. There are even more self taught options online. Generally speaking employers dont care about your degree, only your demo reel. If you are just starting out on your artistic journey a strong foundation in drawing from life is always recomended.
Literally came here to say this because I knew people were going to be saying this was rotoscoped. Thank you and nice work on being the top and very educational comment :D
Kinda cheating though isn't it, to use a live action video with full sized props as reference. It must be the best way to do it economically because that's how Disney did it, but still when you think of hand drawn cells it's easy to think of an artist just drawing what he sees in his mind, instead of referencing a live video and xeroxing the lines.
Its less about economics and more about there are just details in posing, body mechanics, and timing that you just dont notice or think about until you see it in footage. I will shoot a shot of myself and with a bunch of takes and edit the best parts of the takes into one shot. I also have a mirror on my desk whenever i am doing dialog or facial. Being an animator is more about developing your eye for observation than developing straight from imagination.
The shots were composed before they filmed it. All animation (2d and CG) starts as story boards and then is edited into an "animatic" with audio, camera work, and light visual effects. As an animator when you are assigned a shot all the composition and main story beats have been figured out long before you touch it.
Boydle · 413 points · Posted at 14:37:10 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
There's a similar video for Zero to Hero from Hercules, it's amazing
Wow, that’s the kind of thing that starts up a theater production of Hercules!
Nas160 · 4 points · Posted at 23:15:10 on June 18, 2018 · (Permalink)
One of the most fun Disney numbers, it's just so energetic and fitting. There was a point in 2013 where I randomly just couldn't stop watching that song sequence over and over and over.
Fun Fact: Butch Hartman, creator of The Fairly Oddparents and Danny Phantom had this job and Disney used him as a reference for Pocahontas's Kocoum and John Smith
I believe Disney does this with a lot of their animated films. I know they did for sure with Snow White and Cinderella.
CJB95 · 215 points · Posted at 13:56:41 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
And Alice in wonderland
grim77 · 95 points · Posted at 14:23:47 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
yeah I remember seeing the Peter pan behind the scenes almost looked like they did a stage show of the script and animated over it pretty cool. that's probably how they've gotten such good movement animations over the years
It just really goes to show you the absolute skill Disney animators have, you know? My grandfather’s grandson knows a guy who works at Disney, and apparently they just animate Johnny Depp in real-time 24/7 which is really cool tbh
Not necessarily. I think rotoscoping is if they replaced that green screen with a different background, not creating a new animation with different movement of a reference video
I think you're mistaken, these days roto is usually referring to the process of tracing something frame by frame to remove it from a background, but technically it's just a general term for drawing over live action footage.
I believe that early animations like snow white and betty boop were actually rotoscoped, but the technique is rarely used in that way any more because it's so restrictive.
Snow White didn't use full rotoscoping in the modern sense of the word. They would trace over some frames and estimate movements for large swaths of frames between.
EDIT: There's a gif in this album where you can see differences in positioning between the footage and the animation. https://m.imgur.com/gallery/IZkSR
I don't think it was drawn over. More likely they were looking at the footage while drawing. It might seem like a subtle difference but it is a different technique!
In 'How to Train Your Dragon' one of the animators threw a ball of duct tape at their cat's tail to see how it would react. Here's that + the scene in the movie.
It started with Snow White. They did test animations without a reference and the movements just looked far too "rubbery" and I believe they've used reference footage ever since.
Rotoscoping predates Snow White by quite a bit, and much of the film is done without rotoscoping--you can see the difference in some of the reference footage we have, especially with the dance sequence, where some of the harder, quicker moves are rotoscoped and some of the slower ones are referenced.
You could still create traditional animation on computers. It just seems that Disney itself wants to go full 3D, which is a bit of a loss. There's so much that can be done stylistically with 2D animation.
Is there no good quality version of the Paperman short that does not have problems with audio/video after 38 seconds?
Xet · 1 points · Posted at 00:07:58 on June 18, 2018 · (Permalink)
That video is glitched, fyi. Doesn't play properly.
nilok1 · 47 points · Posted at 17:04:08 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
That's how South Park does it. Trey said its wild that they use basically the same computers they use to make Star Wars but they use them to make construction paper animation.
For the Warcraft episode they coincidentally used the same modeling program Blizzard did, so they could just download the character models the Blizzard people gave them instead of having to start from scratch.
swohio · 2 points · Posted at 21:13:57 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
I think I read that Blizzard worked with them and basically set up a private wow server and just used existing in game models/animation for that episode.
A lot of computer hand-drawn stuff still uses "cheats" like automatic inbetweening and stretching the drawings to create movement. (Think Foster's home for imaginary friends, or my little pony) It ends up looking more awkward than traditional animation even though the characters are drawn by hand. But it is very possible to create animation on a computer that looks nearly identical to pencil on paper traditional animation. It just takes a lot more time, effort, and money so it's not very popular. It's a shame though.
[deleted] · 0 points · Posted at 19:27:32 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
It doesn't matter when you were born. The portrayal is of an under age girl. A photograph of a 15 year old is still a 15 year old, even if the person is 40 years old now.
Yeah but let’s be real. They do not make little mermaid look young at all. She’s prancing around in strapless seashell bras..
Same goes for jasmine. The creators know what they’re doing.
I found that when people find out creators do that, they call the creators pedos and harrass them. Doesn't matter they're not real. Doesn't matter that the references the creator used were all adults. What matters is that they think its sinful.
Bluefin tuna (the closest fish I found that could become a hybrid, based on size and appearance) live to about 50 if they're lucky. averaging that with a traditional human lifespan of 80 (bump it up to 90 since she's royalty and would be getting the best medical treatment known to fish) and the average merfolk lifespan should be about 65, 70 for royalty. Humans become legal at the age of 18, 22.5% through our lives. 22.5% of 65 is just over 14 (14.625) which means that
(drumrolls)
Ariel has been legal for 1-2 years and I just spent half an hour researching whether you're allowed to fuck a half-fish or not
But wait, there's more.
Denmark (where the little mermaid took place, according to film theory) only passed laws against beastiality in 2015, hundreds of years after the little mermaid takes place. Ariel is fully legal guys, as long as it's inside the Disney universe.
Disney kind of glances over the fact at how young the princesses are. Because that would make it extremely creepy. Most people assume the prjncesses are adults. Cause like they go away and marry a random guy. Like snow white is 14.
A 14 year old whose stepmom wants killed cause she is more attractive. That lives with 7 men for a while. Before going in a coma. Being kissed by a random guy and then going with him to marry him...
It's creepy regardless of we think they are drawn to look their age.
I don't think anyone is getting arrested for finding the little mermaid attractive.
und88 · -1 points · Posted at 18:31:29 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'm kinda disappointed they didn't give Ariel human proportions.
Edit: I didn't mean that to sound sexual. I mean they have a real life woman there to model off, but they choose to model her torso off a Barbie doll.
Yes that’s the first thing I noticed. My immediate thought was, “They needed the reference for the hands.” Animating and drawing expressive hands is particularly difficult, especially with very dynamic motions like this.
There's a really great video with the animators and refrence actors who worked on The Little Mermaid and other Disney movies! It's really cool and even kind of mezmerising to see the actors and how it transitions into the animations!
The scene where Ariel sighs and blows upward to ruffle her bangs was taken from this actress sitting between takes. The animators loved it as something a young woman would do.
It doesn’t appear in the movie, so how can it be a movie detail? Actors each lunch, but I don’t think a picture of George Clooney eating a ham sandwich between takes for Ocean’s 11 is a movie detail.
He has to eat or he’ll die and then there is no movie.
Sorry, but I don’t consider general movie production techniques to be “movie details”. What’s next, a gif of Foley artists making the punching sounds for an action movie?
This is a mere conclusion. You need to state the reasoning, son.
And yeah, Foley artists ARE a part of movie details
They are a part of film production, not “movie details”, which to me are examples of the director’s...(wait for it)...attention to detail. For example, something like Laura moving the bag from the driver’s seat in Logan (that she presumably used as a booster), the train and hotel room having the same number in Inception, or Flash Thompson being at Harry’s funeral in Spider-Man 3. Not things like “hey, this is called a Dutch angle”.
Sorry that you don't consider these movie details, but the fact that it's still here is against you on that.
The fact that a position is popular has no bearing on its truth. It bothers me that I have to explain this to an adult.
[deleted] · -1 points · Posted at 01:58:35 on June 18, 2018 · (Permalink)
Isn't it? Correct me if I'm wrong, but rotoscoping is essentially animating something with an animated reference. Like tracing a video. Film someone doing something, draw each frame, rotoscoping. Right? I could be wrong.
[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 02:04:34 on June 18, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah, reference was poor word choice on my part. Still, the title of the post claims the footage was drawn over, so wouldn't that imply tracing/rotoscoping? I'm genuinely wanting to know.
Jt832 · 15 points · Posted at 13:35:39 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Oh my, she was gorgeous!
[deleted] · 25 points · Posted at 14:01:43 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Ariel was most likely my first little boy crush when I was in kindergarten. I remember ordering a small Little Mermaid book from the scholastic catalog.
Looking at this, I wonder if this could help explain why I feel a bit extra attracted to ditsy bimbos.
Naive and ditzy, maybe, but definitely not a bimbo.
sje46 · 9 points · Posted at 16:38:25 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
There isn't really a definite definition of bimbo. Sometimes it implies sexual promiscuity, sometimes it doesn't. Usually it implies ditziness or naivety, or just lack of intelligence. Very often it refers to a very beautiful or sexually desirable woman, to the point of a stereotype (large bust, blonde hair, blue eyes). It's easier to just find examples in pop culture than to define it. Kelly Bundy, Karen from Mean GIrls, the House Bunny, maybe Cher Horowitz. Elle Woods is a slightly averted example because she's ditzy, beautiful, fashion-obsessed, etc, but also very intelligent.
Would I call Ariel a bimbo? No. But she does act in a very silly way, sorta like a gullible star-eyed bimbo would. I can 100% see why someone attracted to Ariel would also be into more stereotypical bimbos.
Ariel is closer to Haley Dunphy in the first season of Modern Family than to any of those adult bimbos you listed.
sje46 · 2 points · Posted at 16:44:21 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
I actually can't remember too much of the first season, but her overall character has quality of a bimbos as well. Ditzy, beautiful, a bit naive, etc. Not blonde, though. I like what they did with her character in later seasons (I don't watch the show anymore) where they made her more successful and intelligent in a millennial kinda way.
The ability to be dominate in a relationship. To be in control of the decisions. Sure, it has it's drawbacks. Sometimes people want to make all the decisions while their partner gets to feel a sense of direction and purpose.
It can be exhausting at times, but the reward is that you have loyalty and control. 10 years of marriage and two kids later it feels good to be king on fathers day.
As a woman (and as a girl when I was little) I always found Ariel a little creepy lol. Seeing this side-by-side comparison now, sort of explains why. A grown woman being wayyy too excited by a fork is pushing it for me. But I guess a teenager being wayyy too excited by a fork is sort of cute? :)
I always thought Ariel’s sisters were prettier, but my favorite character by far was Ursula, even if she looked like a heavily overweight Elizabeth Taylor.
Old school motion capture. Drawing something from scratch is very time consuming, so tracing a real human will save you time from thinking about the proportions.
For anyone interested in more detail about how acting reference has been used in animation (mostly not actually rotoscoping), check out "The Animator's Survival Kit" by Richard Williams (of "Who Framed Roger Rabbit" fame). Among other things, Williams makes the case that learning to be a good animator is largely about learning how to be a good actor.
You may also be interested to know that they used her as a reference for the underwater shots as well, so they could accurately Ana made Ariel’s hair. They literally stuck her in a giant water tank on the universal lot.
Though this scene isnt rotoscoped as its different, what you described is what rotoscoping is. Max Fleischer invented the technique which was then picked up by disney.
There are live versions of snow white and other Disney movies on youtube.
I remember watching an interview years ago with one of the animators and he said in order to get inspiration for her flowing hair, they used footage of female astronauts in zero-g, figuring that was a good representation of living under the ocean.
Last month I met Margaret Kerry, who played in a couple episodes of the Andy Griffith show. But what I didn’t know was that she was the original live action model for Walt Disney’s Tinker Bell.
Do I? I don't really see it. The other guy made a half-assed creepy sounding comment, and I was just clearing stuff up. I'm not even defending him. I'm just saying it isn't pedophilia, just creepy as heck.
We're all brothers here, looking out for others esp the children. That is our only responsibility in this world... children, women, elderly. We come last
[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 20:25:47 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Though there is a technique called rotoscoping, in which the acting is essentially traced, that is not what is happening here. This live action footage is being used as reference. You can tell because the frames don’t match up exactly and Ariel’s proportions are very different and exaggerated than those of the actress.
Often times animators work in front of a mirror or take footage of themselves to use as reference too. Been going on since the early days of feature animation.
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ShaneH7646 · 1 points · Posted at 00:37:58 on June 18, 2018 · (Permalink)
This isn't really a detail within the film, but its been 12 hours and its on the frontpage so there wouldn't be much point in removing it at this point.
For future reference, r/BeforePost is probably the better fit for posts like these
Infraxion · 20 points · Posted at 00:55:12 on June 18, 2018 · (Permalink)
Kudos to you, even though this legitimately doesn't fit in this sub you won't remove it because it's been too long and has lots of votes.
A nice break from mods like mildlyinteresting where they remove day old posts with 30k because they feel like it.
Im_Currently_High · 16 points · Posted at 01:49:18 on June 18, 2018 · (Permalink)
I agree. People like to call out shitty mods for being shitty (rightfully so), but we should also recognize good mods for being good. So I’m gonna recognize YOU for recognizing him. Good looks hommie.
[deleted] · 6 points · Posted at 04:28:14 on June 18, 2018 · (Permalink)
Good mod.
ALittlePunk · 3557 points · Posted at 14:38:41 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Fun fact: the reference actress is Sherri Stoner, who would go on to write for Tiny Toon Adventures and Animaniacs. She was also the voice of Slappy Squirrel
[deleted] · 661 points · Posted at 14:53:18 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
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Omnipotent0 · 525 points · Posted at 15:53:07 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
"did she voice Slappy the squirrel?"
RoRo25 · 139 points · Posted at 17:03:58 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
The only important question really.
captainAwesomePants · 25 points · Posted at 17:04:07 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yes.
kioopi · 7 points · Posted at 18:03:37 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
You answered the question
DriedMiniFigs · 13 points · Posted at 17:21:18 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
“Who’s one of the crankiest of creatures in the whole wide world and who voiced them?”
Chance4e · 2 points · Posted at 18:32:03 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Slappy
theSquirrel. Her last name is just squirrel, her middle name isn’t “the.”Fuck_Mtn · 1 points · Posted at 17:39:30 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
No, it was "does anyone have any fun facts?"
ThatOneWeirdName · 1 points · Posted at 01:05:49 on June 18, 2018 · (Permalink)
Finally that question becomes relevant, apparently they don’t like you asking the company that in job interviews :/
Hotel_Joy · -1 points · Posted at 18:48:37 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
laughed out loud, way harder than was reasonable.
Not to hate on this actress/writer, but Slappy was the worst part of Animaniacs.
mydarkmeatrises · -1 points · Posted at 17:39:05 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Slap the squirrel.
That's a good idea. BRB
l_AM_NEGAN · 1 points · Posted at 04:56:22 on June 18, 2018 · (Permalink)
What a time to be alive in. I had the same question in mind, before I even attempted to google "who is the real human actress the little mermaid 1989" the answer just appeared right in front of my eyes without me doing anything.
[deleted] · 62 points · Posted at 16:10:35 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
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boo29may · 1 points · Posted at 18:24:57 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Ugh I can't see it!
relevant__comment · 110 points · Posted at 15:57:09 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Super Fun Fact: the look of Ariel was based on a young Alyssa Milano.
lethalmachine · 103 points · Posted at 16:12:42 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
I’m sorry but how does a red headed, blue eyed mermaid translate into Alyssa Milano without the help of PCP?
relevant__comment · 94 points · Posted at 16:18:15 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Based on facial features (lips, nose shape, bone structure, etc...) as far as I understand. Not necessarily color pallet or even an exact 1:1 representation.
3ViceAndreas · 1 points · Posted at 23:22:12 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
It helps if you get really fucked up on PCP :D
[deleted] · 33 points · Posted at 16:28:48 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
(Shrug). She mostly looks like Sherri Stoner to me. I guess Alyssa's nose is there. Mouth, maybe. Eyebrows?
You know what, I'm seeing it now. Translate by making Alyssa's small eyes about 5 times their size into absurd cartoon eyes, and then yes, give her some PCP because they are on opposite ends of the emotional spectrum.
Without doing that, Sherri looks way more like Ariel because she is closer to having cartoon eyes and emotions.
nearslighted · 33 points · Posted at 17:10:31 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
The animator looked at a lot of photos including the live action reference to create Ariel. The goal was to create a princess that would appeal to young girls in the 80s, so that’s one reason they picked young Alyssa Milano. She was popular. A photograph of Milano apparently appears in a BTS shot on the animator’s drawing board.
This article talks a bit about it including some extra stuff about classical art inspiration and clothing references to other Disney works.
http://www.fanpop.com/clubs/the-little-mermaid/articles/17208/title/creating-ariel-stuff-dont-tell
TallDuckandHandsome · 2 points · Posted at 18:57:43 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
But. Like. She was based on her. So obviously that what the animator used as a guide. You might see something else, but surely that’s moot.
[deleted] · 0 points · Posted at 19:23:20 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
lol they wouldn't have picked a model who's similarities to Ariel's were fucking moot, silly.
TallDuckandHandsome · 2 points · Posted at 19:38:07 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Sorry I appear to have replied to the wrong line. I was responding to people who said she looked like someone else. My point. Was that the animators did have a model in mind and similarities to someone else were coincidental. Sorry to waste everyone’s time.
SniggeringPiglett · -5 points · Posted at 16:44:18 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Very interesting. I'm off for a bit (grabs bottle of hand lotion)
DwayneTheBathJohnson · 1 points · Posted at 18:21:17 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Are we sure that no PCP was involved in the making of classic Disney films?
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 20:15:06 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
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[deleted] · 0 points · Posted at 20:16:29 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
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[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 20:17:07 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
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primetimemime · 1 points · Posted at 20:56:36 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
So was the ship in Guardians of the Galaxy.
blansten · 1 points · Posted at 02:44:11 on June 18, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wasn’t the villainess based on Divine?
brewmastermonk · -4 points · Posted at 18:56:22 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
I just googled "young Alyssa Milano" and I'm pretty sure she has a bunch of #metoo moment she should be sharing with the world.
gordothepin · 22 points · Posted at 14:53:27 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Thanks for doing the leg work! No pun intended.
RevWaldo · 8 points · Posted at 16:47:31 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Now that's comedy!
AllAboardMAGATrain45 · 5 points · Posted at 16:22:34 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Any chance she is from Oshkosh, Wisconsin?
ghostagainstdadjokes · 4 points · Posted at 16:32:51 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
She was also the reference actress for Belle I think!
Oooch · 8 points · Posted at 15:24:09 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'm going to marry her to take her last name
sje46 · 7 points · Posted at 16:48:55 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Marry Alyson Stoner instead!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alyson_Stoner
I mean, I would.
Dagithor · 0 points · Posted at 18:43:42 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Nah
gracklewolf · 1 points · Posted at 16:43:57 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
She looks like Pam Dawber's little sister. Nanu nanu.
jroddie4 · 1 points · Posted at 18:27:00 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
you can honestly almost hear her in this video
DriftlessAreaMan · 1 points · Posted at 19:14:43 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Her lip biting is what always sticks in my memory.
Cheesemacher · 1 points · Posted at 19:18:34 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
There's a Nostalgia Critic video about Animaniacs where the cast (including Sherri Stoner) talk about the making of the show and stuff. It's an interesting watch
BassCreat0r · 1 points · Posted at 19:22:35 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
I forgot that she existed. Oh man nostalgiaaaaaaa
DigbyChickenZone · 1 points · Posted at 20:39:56 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
She kind of looks like both Ariel and Slappy Squirrel too, interesting.
patrickoriley · 1 points · Posted at 22:50:10 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
She also wrote the Casper movie.
Sprickels · 1 points · Posted at 00:43:50 on June 18, 2018 · (Permalink)
Butch Hartman, the guy who created Fairly Odd Parents and Danny Phantom was a reference actor in Pocahontas for the blonde guy I can't remember the name of
The_Celtic_Chemist · 1 points · Posted at 00:53:27 on June 18, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wow. I was watching Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency yesterday and I couldn't figure out who Bart reminded me of (besides a far more bad ass Domino). I realized that the way she talked and even the shape of her head/hair and all is just like Slappy Squirrel. Weird that I would see her referenced not even 24 hours later.
rly_weird_guy · 1 points · Posted at 04:23:12 on June 18, 2018 · (Permalink)
Any chance Slappt Squirrel is a bdsm furry porn?
Chairmenmeow · 5768 points · Posted at 14:32:18 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Professional animator here: this shot is not rotoscoped or drawn over. Its used for reference and inspiration. All animators usually film themselves before starting a shot, you have no idea how much footage exsists of thirty something men acting like 17 year old girls, or horses... or whatever.
SwellFloop · 1839 points · Posted at 14:39:26 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Very rarely do artists literally trace reference images. We’ll usually just use certain parts of it for... reference.
tehbrucebanner · 1072 points · Posted at 15:23:06 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Why did you say that so... menacingly?
Lock-out · 574 points · Posted at 15:27:29 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
To see you shiver with antici...
zadtheinhaler · 457 points · Posted at 15:29:45 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
...PATION!
KingMagenta · 198 points · Posted at 15:57:40 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Man this movie would really suck without audience partici...
PM_TASTEFUL_PMS · 340 points · Posted at 15:58:59 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
ple
zadtheinhaler · 141 points · Posted at 16:05:34 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
C-C-C-COMBO-BREAKER
WarLorax · 53 points · Posted at 16:30:09 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
...paction. "Keep fit! And have fun!"
[deleted] · 36 points · Posted at 16:42:21 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
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LDWoodworth · 23 points · Posted at 16:57:10 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
/r/unexpectedbodybreak
nebaa · 6 points · Posted at 20:25:47 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
...cution *throws stone*
_doormat · 2 points · Posted at 17:29:58 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
...penis
blathaniel · 2 points · Posted at 17:46:43 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
It’s still a good film, you’re just miserable lmao.
KingMagenta · 3 points · Posted at 18:05:04 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Lol its just one of the callbacks I learned being a part of a shadow cast
blathaniel · 4 points · Posted at 18:06:26 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
That’s fair, sorry. I’m just used to people shitting on a film that was intentionally bad, just because they’re “serious” film students.
KingMagenta · 3 points · Posted at 18:25:32 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Nah it's okay! Just a huge fan of the movie and wanted to clarify. On the internet it's hard to tell who's serious and who's not.
charlyDNL · 10 points · Posted at 16:41:18 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
r/unexpectedfranknfurter
goopave · 6 points · Posted at 17:37:16 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
I wish.
Damnmorrisdancer · 1 points · Posted at 17:29:13 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Great Scott!
zadtheinhaler · 1 points · Posted at 18:36:56 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Rocky!
Hermaan · 8 points · Posted at 17:28:09 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Aww.. How cute! You finish each others...
_doormat · 16 points · Posted at 17:30:12 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
...penises
zadtheinhaler · 2 points · Posted at 18:36:31 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
...wait, what?
NekoZombie0_o · 2 points · Posted at 17:34:53 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Sandwhiches
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 20:05:30 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
That's what I was gonna say!
kioopi · 2 points · Posted at 18:21:42 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
pation
zadtheinhaler · 1 points · Posted at 17:29:49 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Sentences.
McGobs · 27 points · Posted at 15:30:00 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
...p...
_doormat · 38 points · Posted at 15:38:04 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
...enis...
[deleted] · 46 points · Posted at 15:45:08 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Anticipenis?
_doormat · 28 points · Posted at 15:47:39 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
SirDooble · 7 points · Posted at 16:34:54 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
My favourite pasta.
Burndown9 · 8 points · Posted at 16:20:24 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
acito
supernova4562 · 9 points · Posted at 15:48:51 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
pación
249ba36000029bbe9749 · 8 points · Posted at 16:27:02 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
This guy waited five years for the punchline: https://twitter.com/drfnfurter
Waifus_cause_cancer · 8 points · Posted at 16:27:36 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Sandwiches!
IKindaLikeRunning · 3 points · Posted at 23:06:43 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
SAY IT! SAY IT!
MundaneInternetGuy · 2 points · Posted at 15:47:54 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
...nthia? She's cold, I'm not.
ItsMeSatan · 1 points · Posted at 16:24:45 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
...PATION
lostmau5 · 1 points · Posted at 19:38:54 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
...EROTIC!
pardonmyabsence · 23 points · Posted at 15:30:36 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
right? I actually believed him up until the last bit, now I just feel threatened.
UltravioIence · 14 points · Posted at 16:03:27 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Because of the implication....
Cessnaporsche01 · 8 points · Posted at 15:39:59 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Weewoo weewoo weewoo.
tanis_ivy · 8 points · Posted at 15:29:59 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
I heard an organ playing sinisterly in the background.
KingPimpCommander · 2 points · Posted at 15:34:21 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Like this? https://youtu.be/_4Vt0UGwmgQ
tanis_ivy · 1 points · Posted at 15:56:49 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Not quite. More like Darth Vader's theme music played slowly
skoy · 1 points · Posted at 18:09:07 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
No. Like this.
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 15:50:11 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
It's to emphasize...the implications. ;)
Gtapex · 1 points · Posted at 16:26:21 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Because of the ... implication
Shinygreencloud · 1 points · Posted at 16:53:28 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Give the man a break.......... man.
theblasphemer · 1 points · Posted at 17:17:24 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Maybe he animates... dead people.
UltimateInferno · 1 points · Posted at 20:13:56 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Sometimes we have to stare at images with tits which normal people flip out over.
alouwriter · 1 points · Posted at 21:56:56 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah next thing you know, Candlejack is goi
Guac__is__extra__ · 1 points · Posted at 03:00:08 on June 18, 2018 · (Permalink)
Because of the....implication
mrsegraves · 0 points · Posted at 21:10:28 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Because of the implication
cyborgcommando0 · 53 points · Posted at 16:50:28 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
I wish this wasn't the case in Marvel's current Star Wars run by Salvador Larocca.
blackhawkey · 9 points · Posted at 20:08:52 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
hey thanks for reminding me of this i hate it!!!
HowIsntBabbyFormed · 1 points · Posted at 02:14:11 on June 18, 2018 · (Permalink)
Bottom picture plus the text bubble reminds me of the music video for here comes your man: https://youtu.be/tPgf_btTFlc
Sks44 · 1 points · Posted at 04:49:13 on June 18, 2018 · (Permalink)
Marvel’s had a couple artists caught doing this.
Uncle_Lenny · 61 points · Posted at 15:22:49 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
My nephew's an artist and makes 6k figures while living in Central Park.
darkest_hour1428 · 93 points · Posted at 15:29:30 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
6 thousand figures?! Holy shit that’s more monetary material than the Earth can supply!
Rhamni · 24 points · Posted at 16:03:51 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
He's that good.
MJZMan · 2 points · Posted at 02:42:45 on June 18, 2018 · (Permalink)
No, no. They meant stick figures. Guy draws 6000 stick figures per year. And literally lives IN Central Park. On a bench.
ZeroCitizen · 2 points · Posted at 18:40:06 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Pastor says the Lord will provide
Timeshot · 29 points · Posted at 15:25:58 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Holy crap, tell me the secrets on how to make that much money. Must be nice being the richest person in the world lol
MasterbeaterPi · 10 points · Posted at 16:13:55 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
He creates the money as art.
[deleted] · 8 points · Posted at 15:50:24 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
it's funny how far a little gumption can take you if you have enough grit to see it through
[deleted] · 18 points · Posted at 15:46:02 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
/r/oldpeoplereddit?
Dorocche · 33 points · Posted at 15:51:24 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
/r/KenM
[deleted] · 0 points · Posted at 15:53:11 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
You’re right
Juvar23 · 9 points · Posted at 15:51:50 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
r/KenM
Juvar23 · 0 points · Posted at 15:51:36 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Did you mean 6 figures, or 6 thousand?
You're a dolt.
verylobsterlike · 12 points · Posted at 17:11:00 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
The reference
strain_of_thought · 4 points · Posted at 17:17:02 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Calm down, Weiss.
arduinonut · 0 points · Posted at 16:26:42 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
He did say the guy lives in Central park so.. 6000. Which is immediately spent on hobo handjobs.
Juvar23 · 3 points · Posted at 16:35:08 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
I think he earned them with hobo hand jobs. Lives IN Central Park after all
seanithanegan · 1 points · Posted at 23:02:31 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
He lives in the park?
Are you sure he’s not homeless?
Roolerk · 1 points · Posted at 17:12:04 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Not sure how that’s relevant but now I’m curious, what does he do specifically? How exactly is he monetizing his skillset?
gazow · 1 points · Posted at 18:12:23 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
im gonna go use it for reference right now
stuntobor · 1 points · Posted at 22:33:57 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Ralph Bakshi cough cough.
mightyhero370 · 1 points · Posted at 10:18:02 on June 18, 2018 · (Permalink)
... reference?
Chairmenmeow · 316 points · Posted at 14:44:58 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Also, rotoscoping as a very particular look and feel. It is definitely the 2d version of the uncanny valley. Animation needs to be pushed beyond reality to give it that extra umph.
Famous scenes like the snow white dance number (which was reused frame by frame in jungle book and aristocats) are rotoscoped, and you can tell cause its more smooth and less weighty than the rest of the animation.
mega_brown_note · 131 points · Posted at 14:58:02 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
TIL of the term uncanny valley. This is what makes The Polar Express look so weird, yes? Also Leia’s and Tarkin’s appearances in Rogue One, IMHO. I’ve also read that Shrek’s Fiona was way over the line and had to be pulled back....true?
Chairmenmeow · 143 points · Posted at 15:00:52 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yea, motion capture when poorly done is the 3d version of rotoscoping. Andy Skerkis is LOATHED in the animation community because if you hear him talk you think the computers just record his performance and poof its 1x1. The reality is there is an army of artists taking his performance pushing and adapting it.
cabose12 · 70 points · Posted at 15:24:30 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
I had never realized this until my animator sister told me about it. On one hand, I get that with the work he puts in, he wants to be able to say that he was Gollum. The same way Helen Mirren played the Queen. But on the other, a big part of Gollum and Caesar is the CG makeup and it's pretty rough to ignore that
Chairmenmeow · 70 points · Posted at 15:27:46 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yea, his performance is %100 collaboration of dozens if not hundreds of artists. He has been on a campaign for years to get the academy to allow mocap in the best actor categories. Its extremely disingenuous. Its not just "digital makeup" as he would have you believe.
greymalken · 44 points · Posted at 16:16:30 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
To be fair, he's put down some amazing work. It's not odd that he'd want some recognition for it. He should upsell his animators more. But don't they have CGI categories in the Oscars?
Chairmenmeow · 37 points · Posted at 16:20:20 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
They do, and he has... but thats not good enough for him. And after beauty and the beast was the first animation feature nominated for best picutre the academy changed the rules so animation could no longer be in best picture, because of their precious actors feel feels.
greymalken · 21 points · Posted at 16:26:09 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wow. Really? Is that when Best Animated came out?
Chairmenmeow · 7 points · Posted at 16:27:31 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeap
SharkRepellantSpray · 2 points · Posted at 00:47:52 on June 18, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah... no. Best Animated Film was introduced in 2001 at the 74th Academy Awards with Shrek being the first victor.
Mr_Mars · 2 points · Posted at 07:04:37 on June 20, 2018 · (Permalink)
Not even close. Best Animated as a category was created in 2001, ten years after Beauty and the Beast. The idea had been batted around for a while before that but to put it frankly there just weren't enough competitors that met AMPAS nomination criteria to make it worthwhile.
Consider: if Beauty and the Beast had competed in the best animated category, it would have been guaranteed to compete against Rock-A-Doodle, which might also be known as the film that bankrupted Don Bluth's animation studio. Don Bluth is the guy who made All Dogs Go To Heaven, The Secret of NIMH, and The Land Before Time, and this film did so poorly it killed his studio. Oscar contender? Probably not. But it would have been in 91, because the only other animated film that met the nomination criteria that year was An American Tail: Fievel Goes West and you need at least three nominees on the shortlist.
Best Animated is a bullshit category for a few reasons, but a bunch of old movie dudes who are afraid of competing against singing teacups isn't one of them.
Dahn_0 · 4 points · Posted at 18:03:18 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
When did they change it exactly? I mean, Toy Story 3 was nominated to best picture in 2010 so...
Chairmenmeow · 8 points · Posted at 18:19:08 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
You are correct, I mispoke, but they specifically added the category of best Animated Feature to try and prevent that. I don't think you will ever see an animated film ever win Best Picture, ever. The academy is bias'd towards.... lots of things....
seanithanegan · 2 points · Posted at 23:06:44 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Which is why I just ignore the awards ceremonies and push everyone else to do the same. Stop giving them power by watching, everyone.
Guac__is__extra__ · 1 points · Posted at 03:03:23 on June 18, 2018 · (Permalink)
He gets recognition for it, right there in the credits. Oh, and he gets a pretty decent paycheck too.
dasher11 · 1 points · Posted at 03:45:56 on June 18, 2018 · (Permalink)
How is he supposed to know what the animators do? You sound way too bitter.
976chip · 62 points · Posted at 16:09:14 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Or as Frank explained it to Tracy in the 30 Rock episode Succession:
FRANK: Check out this chart. You see, as artificial representations of humans become more and more realistic, they reach a point where they stop being endearing and become creepy.
TRACY: Tell it to me in Star Wars.
FRANK: Alright. We like R2-D2 [points to “industrial robot”] and C-3PO [“humanoid robot”].
TRACY: They’re nice.
FRANK: And up here [points to “healthy person”] we have a real person like Han Solo.
TRACY: He acts like he doesn’t care, but he does.
FRANK: [pointing to the “uncanny valley”] But down here we have a CGI stormtrooper or Tom Hanks in The Polar Express.
TRACY: I’m scared! Get me outta there!
dontforgetthispw · 15 points · Posted at 16:42:03 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
https://www.wired.com/wp-content/uploads/archive/wired/archive/12.11/images/PL_94_screen3_f.jpg
reluctantclinton · 6 points · Posted at 16:42:27 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Pick one.
Dangler42 · -6 points · Posted at 16:27:00 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
I was waiting to see what Star Wars reference they were going to use for the uncanny valley (since that's the whole point of the bit) and they switched to Polar Express. lame writing.
CGI stormtroopers looked fine (real people look better, but the CGI stormtroopers were not uncanny valley) since they had helmets on their faces.
Teamprime · 3 points · Posted at 21:42:26 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Second point is very true.
Iohet · 28 points · Posted at 16:02:05 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
I felt that Leia was kind of weird looking(her eyes), but Tarkin was actually extremely well executed
Cypraea · 48 points · Posted at 16:32:27 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
I felt like Leia's main problem was her acting, rather than the CGI face morph thing. The whole "stand there looking off at a weird angle, smiling like a drug addict who's just taken a good hit, and saying 'we have hope'" thing just strikes me as distinctly un-Leia. Too starry-eyed, not enough fierceness in the triumph, really too Disney Princess a moment, laid on a bit too thick.
Like it felt like Leia putting on a beauty-queen persona to record some kind of recruitment ad that she knew was being filmed, and it made the moment feel more like Spaceballs than Star Wars.
It's like if somebody did a biopic of George Washington and in the middle of crossing the Delaware he stood up in the front of the boat to pose for all the paintings that would be made of him crossing the Delaware.
Tarkin, on the other hand, is just like that.
LeenaNOLA · 1 points · Posted at 02:02:36 on July 11, 2018 · (Permalink)
Thank you! That was the least enjoyable part of the entire sequence, and I was so excited to see her!
dontforgetthispw · 23 points · Posted at 16:44:33 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
That's because Tarkin looks like an uncanny valley example even in real life.
bluebirdgm · 6 points · Posted at 17:18:03 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
The effect is somewhat mitigated by wrinkles, blemishes and other imperfections. There was that Final Fantasy movie back in 2001 that was a textbook example of the uncanny valley, but the old man scientist character came off looking the most believable.
mega_brown_note · 3 points · Posted at 11:58:33 on June 18, 2018 · (Permalink)
In my first RO viewing I didn't catch on that Tarkin was a motion-capture animation. I wasn't aware that actor Peter Cushing had passed in 1994 at the age of 81. My disbelief was completely suspended.
My second viewing (of an eventual six times), I was aware that Tarkin's appearance was a work of motion-capture art. I was more critical of the character's movements, and I noticed subtle, strange things with a tilt of his head or a wave of his arm which took me into GTA-5 cutscene territory. But still, Tarkin is absolutely my favorite nostalgic character appearance by a parsec (other than Vader and his huuuuge can of Sith whoopass at the end of the movie).
wonkey_monkey · 1 points · Posted at 18:51:03 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
My biggest problem was recognising the voice for Tarkin and seeing all of that actor's mannerisms in the end result.
Dinierto · 11 points · Posted at 15:00:59 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
All true! Uncanny Valley is a huge hurdle for modern CGI
hdfhhuddyjbkigfchhye · 12 points · Posted at 16:11:05 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
And games. Although it seems like most games these days dont give af about the uncanny valley and just try to make it as realistic as possible anyways. But i personally think its part of the reason why sims 4 looks more cartoony than sims 3. I think when they made it they made the decision to steer away from that for that reason. Especially since it seems most people try to murder their sims all the time, I think it would be suuuper weird if it was really realistic.
I_am_up_to_something · 5 points · Posted at 16:40:59 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
I really prefer a more cartoony look in games. Not just the characters, but the environment as well. I don't know what it is, but some of those semi realistic environments graphics give me headaches and nausea. Thought it might've been the FoV, but enough other games where I don't get that from.
Dinierto · 1 points · Posted at 17:27:27 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Well, games are CGI, so they are covered
1_point_21_gigawatts · 6 points · Posted at 15:17:24 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
r/UncannyValley is one of my favorite subreddits.
Also yes, you are correct about Polar Express. Last I checked, the characters in that movie often showed up on Google Images when you searched "uncanny valley."
dontforgetthispw · 7 points · Posted at 16:48:13 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
This is what came up for me, and I love it :): https://shellielewis.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/beavis-and-butthead.jpg
dm_your_thesis · 1 points · Posted at 15:03:38 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
True!?
OneLegsTheSame · 16 points · Posted at 15:15:24 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Interesting. In the OP’s gif, the actress is acting in a way that humans do not normally act. Her actions are way over the top, beyond reality in a sense. Does that impact rotoscoping? Meaning, would an actor who was acting over the top produce a rotoscope that wouldn’t have the negative effects?
Chairmenmeow · 10 points · Posted at 15:17:08 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Naw, I think thats more of of just acting choices. Animation is supposed to be entertaining. ;)
wonkey_monkey · 2 points · Posted at 18:52:19 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Cartoons don't have to be 100% realistic.
AliveProbably · 1 points · Posted at 06:14:55 on June 18, 2018 · (Permalink)
Not necessarily.
abacus_porkrind · 6 points · Posted at 15:48:05 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
I've always wondered about this since I've heard it for years. (Actually what I've heard said is they reused the Snow White dance scene in Robin Hood). How do you reuse animation? I can see how the movements are the same but wouldn't you still have to redraw everything since Maid Marion et al look completely different from Snow White and her costars? Do you know?
Cypraea · 24 points · Posted at 16:41:57 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
You have to redraw everything, yes, but you don't have to rechoreograph the whole movement and figure out everything about it. A dancer is spinning, okay, what are her hands doing? How is her head tilting? Is she on tiptoe or not? When she's got her back turned, what is her head doing? What are her arms doing? What kind of skirt does she have, how does it move?
It's quite complex to coordinate all the body parts so something doesn't look fake or off about the animation; there's a whole lot of stuff that the audience will never even notice if you get it right, but instantly feel that it looks wrong or fake somehow if you don't.
Copying animation sequences cuts down on the complexity of that problem---a lot. And while, yes, they do look quite a bit different, translating from one animation sequence to another is still easier than translating it from life. If someone were going to make a new animation sequence featuring a woman combing her hair like in the gif up top here, they would find it easier to use Ariel as a reference than the model, since much of the simplifying, the outlining, the shift into two dimensions, is taken care of already.
abacus_porkrind · 6 points · Posted at 21:17:35 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wow, thanks for this. I really didn't appreciate how involved animation is. Glad to finally have that answer.
Chairmenmeow · 1 points · Posted at 18:00:03 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
This guy fu.... errrrr animates! ;)
Chairmenmeow · 16 points · Posted at 15:51:46 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjmaOj3_sKk
Yea they still have to redraw everything, but it saves you a ton of time and energy. Disney went through a low point in the 70s where the animation got a lot cheaper.... who hear remembers the disaster that was Black Cauldren?
ScienceYouMonster · 4 points · Posted at 16:08:04 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
I had that movie! And I hardly remember it. Was that really Disney? I thought it was a weird production company like Thumbelina or Troll in Central Park.
Chairmenmeow · 15 points · Posted at 16:16:07 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Noooope. Its disney. They mostly pretend it didnt happen. Not only is it bad but its really dark too. They turned things around after Fox and the Hound. On that production Don Bluth quit and took like 1/3 of the animators with him and started Bluth Studios (american tale, secret of nimh, and others). Suddenly artists who were inbetweeners and clean up were promited to animator, and it injected a lot of fresh blood and talent into disney.
Janks_McSchlagg · 2 points · Posted at 17:52:31 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Fox and the Hound was the first movie I saw in a theater as a kid. Will never forget :)
HanSoloBolo · 1 points · Posted at 21:19:04 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
There was a great doc called Waking Sleeping Beauty about Disney animations downfall and rise in the early 90s. Definitely worth a watch.
freckled_octopus · 1 points · Posted at 22:59:33 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Exactly. I want to upvote this post since I love seeing animation history on here, but the drawn-over comment is just so wildly off base. I think a lot of people assume reference and tracing are the same thing
Shiroi_Kage · 1 points · Posted at 00:35:27 on June 18, 2018 · (Permalink)
As far as I know, it has that if it's done badly. If you rotoscope a whole character, it sucks. But in a show like Your Lie in April, they rotoscoped the hands in piano scenes iirc, and it made the scenes look freaking amazing. That kind of movement is very difficult to get right, especially with the timing of everything.
mgraunk · 0 points · Posted at 15:47:03 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Reused in Robin Hood too, IIRC
Kaligule · 74 points · Posted at 14:44:16 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
So ... would you mind sharing some footage. My research for "30 men go wild for young girls" was a bit too succesfull.
Chairmenmeow · 172 points · Posted at 14:51:03 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Heh, i dont have any men like girls footage handy, but Jeff Gabor is one of the best modern animators who does amazing acting work in his reference footage and translates it to his characters.
https://vimeo.com/38332730
[1]I personally love hiw his hands and hat translate into his trunk and ears.
[1]
Horton Hears a Who Comparison Reel
Here is the original comparison reel. I created this as my first attempt to help aspiring animators understand the process to creating feature film animations.
I hope it still finds a use. I'm very proud of the animations I was part of on that movie. It was definitely a very special crew we had, and a very special movie.
Kaligule · 23 points · Posted at 15:04:30 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
I love it, thank you.
AliveFromNewYork · 24 points · Posted at 15:26:02 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Omg what an adorable man
wardser · 12 points · Posted at 15:58:58 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
someone needs to get a sample of that guy's DNA and make Jim Carrey take a paternity test
Chairmenmeow · 8 points · Posted at 16:02:51 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Fun fact: Jim Carry felt that Steve Carrels shots were getting more laughs than him, so near the end of production he re-recorded some lines AFTER they had been animated, so they look pretty odd that his voice isnt really matching up with the acting.
TheLast_Centurion · 1 points · Posted at 15:25:43 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
this is why I feel like all animated films are starting to blend together and feel the same. Everything has to have this over exaggerated movement and mimicry and it is just getting to the point it is becoming annoying cause every. single. animated. movie. is the same in this regard. Rarely any difference and it feels like there are like... 5 different characters throughout the animated movies, because you have one exagerrated movement for a bad guy, one for a hero, one for a comic relief, one for a girl and one for something else. Everything the same looking and moving. Like if there is no versatility. Of course, except some exceptions.
And I get that you have to make an animated character to feel like it's alive and moving all the time so it is not stiff and looking dead and like a doll, but it is just getting to a point when its more annoying than enyojable since everytime you see only few same set of movements on different characters.
I wish it went more subtle at times. Cause quite honestly, it feels like this needs a bit of a change, just not to feel we are stuck in a circle, or loop, of neverchanging movesets.
I love animated movies, but I just... after all this times, this feels like it is starting to turn me away from them. It's just constantly the same character with the same movement just in a different body.
But as I said, at least there are still some exceptions from time to time, which gives hope.
This is not written from hate, but from love to animated movies.
MundaneInternetGuy · 19 points · Posted at 15:57:17 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
They've always been like that. It's your tastes that are changing.
TheLast_Centurion · 0 points · Posted at 16:04:46 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
but.. that's what I'm saying.. It is all starting to blend together cause it is stagnating and not changing and every other character feels the very same as the one before that
MundaneInternetGuy · 9 points · Posted at 16:37:42 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Saying that it's stagnating in this regard implies that it's supposed to be changing. Big exaggerated movement will always be visually appealing and kids will always love it. If you don't like it, the thing that needs changing is your viewing habits. Adult-oriented animation (The Simpsons, etc) doesn't do this, and generally neither does most anime.
TheLast_Centurion · 0 points · Posted at 16:40:25 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
yeah, I know it's me, cause after all those years you just start seeing how it's always the same.. but.. maybe a bit of a change would not be bad.
And I like animated movies of all kinds :(
MundaneInternetGuy · 4 points · Posted at 16:48:49 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
I mean, animated filmmaking resources are so accessible that there's plenty of what you want out there, you just have to look for it.
TheLast_Centurion · 0 points · Posted at 16:51:07 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
yeah, but it's like 40:1
[deleted] · 6 points · Posted at 15:52:13 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Elsa from frozen?
I feel the exaggerated animation is for comedic effect. Toy story didn't have it, some characters from frozen didn't. Honestly I think exaggeration in animation is a wonderful comedic tool that is used sparingly by proper companies like Disney.
TheLast_Centurion · 1 points · Posted at 16:04:12 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
that's why I'm saying there at least are some exceptions. And exagerration is great, but if it's all the time, it gets boring and feels almost like a big cliché
Dangler42 · 1 points · Posted at 16:30:14 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Well, the point is that like in any profession there are people with different skill levels, and different companies have different hiring standards. If you graduated from Devry you are probably not going to get a job at Google.
Pixar and Disney have the best animators and other studios not so much. So if you want good animation watch Pixar and Disney and skip the crap by Dreamworks and whatever.
TheLast_Centurion · 0 points · Posted at 16:37:09 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
But it is their decision to animate it like that. If you can animate exaggerated movement, you can animate not exaggerated one as well.
mfiasco · 1 points · Posted at 23:12:14 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
This is amazing, thank you
ArtByKC · 51 points · Posted at 15:08:55 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
The creators of Avatar: The Last Airbender did this quite a bit and you can see them acting out almost every character.
The martial arts references are cooler, though.
X-istenz · 38 points · Posted at 15:19:18 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
My favourite reference footage is for Toph.
ScienceYouMonster · 10 points · Posted at 16:14:34 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wow!!! I’m gunna think of that whenever I watch her bending scenes now. I was skeptical about that guy being a genuine Kung fu master until he demonstrated how he fights without looking. Really cool stuff, thanks for sharing. There will never be enough ATLA content.
thenewiBall · 2 points · Posted at 16:06:36 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
"Closet to one of the best fighters in the world"
Lol yeah ok...
dragonspeeddraco · 10 points · Posted at 18:19:27 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
If he is the highest ranking master of his style, that would put him among the best. While it of course is debateable whether or not he would do well against grandmasters of different styles, because of his imparemant, he is no doubt one of the best. He could likely beat every average Redditor in a one on one fight.
thenewiBall · 0 points · Posted at 18:25:27 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Would it really though? Like couldn't any MMA fighter have no problem dropping him?
I doubt he is one of the best! If the best fighter in the world is man that barely looks under morbidly obese then what does that title even mean? Saying he can beat up redditors doesn't mean shit to me although I bet there's someone on this shit hole website that could probably take him easily. I don't doubt this man has a lot of experience with martial arts but I just don't think that's necessarily equivalent to actually ability in a fight.
smallpoly · 9 points · Posted at 18:33:49 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
When you hear "master", think expert. Does an expert mma fighter stop being an expert if they break their leg or get old? Howabout a pianist that gets arthritis?
thenewiBall · 3 points · Posted at 18:55:58 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
They don't stop being an expert but they absolutely stop being the best. Maybe he was the best, maybe no one living is as good as he was but I know nothing about this guy beyond the obvious fact he is currently nowhere close to the best fighter in the world which was exactly my point.
xywv58 · -1 points · Posted at 16:14:50 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Maybe he meant biggest fighter
MrSups · 10 points · Posted at 16:55:08 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
I remember watching the special features for Avatar and they talk about this. One of the creators was doing reference animation for a villain monologue and he said something that stuck with me.
"That's some bad acting, but Bad acting makes fantastic animation."
evr487 · 1 points · Posted at 20:48:57 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
you could watch ~48 year old Jack Black act like a 17 year old girl in Jumanji
unoctium1 · 1 points · Posted at 07:08:31 on June 18, 2018 · (Permalink)
I don't have a link handy, but I know the animators of robot chicken did this and it was released as bonus footage on DVD releases and whatnot, so I'm sure it's made it's way to youtube
kfmush · 27 points · Posted at 15:06:21 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah. It’s common for lots of art mediums. My roommates in college were both animators, and they would often use each other for reference or the one guy’s girlfriend. I’m an illustrator and ill sometimes photograph myself for reference, regardless if it’s a man or a woman in drawing. Usually, though, if it’s a pose I’m having trouble with, I’ll do the pose and just kind of visually imagine what position my body is in. It it’s more difficult, I’ll look in a mirror. I save the photos for the most difficult poses (because I’m lazy).
My favorite is how artists will mimic the facial expressions when they draw. I naturally just contort my face as I’m drawing a funny expression without realizing it. I’m trying to visualize what I’m drawing by reading my muscle movements, I guess. Being an animation major and having to draw so many ridiculous faces, it was always fun to watch my roommate draw hunched over, making stupid faces at his Wacom monitor.
the_noodle · 4 points · Posted at 18:41:12 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Very relevant
SigurdZS · 25 points · Posted at 15:09:52 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yep. I've seen the referenve for Toothless in How To Train Your Drahon, one of the animators taped a piece of paper to the tail of their cat. Really funny to see how closely they line up.
klaatuverata_necktie · 15 points · Posted at 17:24:21 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
So adorable.
in_some_knee_yak · 1 points · Posted at 01:26:38 on June 18, 2018 · (Permalink)
The problem I have with that franchise is that they went from full animation(as in animators would animate all characters themselves) to rotoscoping the human characters which looked so wrong to me for such a cartoony style.
UnD3adSpaghetti · 4 points · Posted at 16:01:01 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah from what I understand about the animation process this is a far from uncommon practice. There is also typically cameras set up during voice over sessions when actors come in to record, because often their actions during said session can be used to add more personality to characters. Then you have movies like Rango that take this practice to the next level.
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19Kilo · 2 points · Posted at 02:45:45 on June 18, 2018 · (Permalink)
I do not watch Rango enough. Probably should be one of my favorite movies for the weird ass townspeople and their conversations...
Kuritos · 6 points · Posted at 16:15:42 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
You're saying Lauren Faust and her team have pony animated practice? Where can I watch this.
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 15:53:40 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yup. In fact Disney movies have been doing this going back to Snow White.
brainsapper · 15 points · Posted at 14:54:26 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
That left a disturbing image in my head.
Chairmenmeow · 50 points · Posted at 14:56:45 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
I breifly did some work on Tangled under Glen Keane (he is responsible for Ariel, The Beast, Rapunzel). He was in his 50s and that man can channel the hopes and dreams on young teenage girls like no ones bussiness.
ProfySloth · 9 points · Posted at 15:27:24 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
He also was the supervising animator for Pochahontas, if I’m not mistaken
Chairmenmeow · 6 points · Posted at 15:34:02 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yea... he is a living legend. Left Disney after Tangled.
in_some_knee_yak · 1 points · Posted at 01:29:00 on June 18, 2018 · (Permalink)
As well as Tarzan, which is still my favorite work of his.
Chinoiserie91 · 2 points · Posted at 18:34:23 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Was this kind of reference done there? I usually see these kinds of videos with only the older Disney films.
Chairmenmeow · 4 points · Posted at 18:42:10 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
With modern animation I think the practice of hiring an actor to film something like this is less common. I personally haven't experienced that in my twelve years working. Its super easy to pull out your phone now and go into a room and jump around. Some studios have rooms set up with pads, mirrors, and camera/pc for doing that. Back in 1990 filming anything... even on VHS would be cumbersome. So it makes sense that they would get a little more... official about it and treat it more like a shoot. In some ways a mocap shoot feels very analogous to this. (I don't want to say they didn't do this at all on Tangled, but I personally didn't see it)
On Tangled specifically we did have the recordings of the voice actors available to us, but I would say its just another source of reference. The voice actors are typically in a sound booth speaking into a mic, and not "acting" per say.
in_some_knee_yak · 2 points · Posted at 01:30:44 on June 18, 2018 · (Permalink)
I can't tell you how jealous I am that you got to work under the master Glen Keane. Too bad it wasn't during a 2D film though! Nothing will ever equal good ol' 2d animation.
Are you still at Disney?
Chairmenmeow · 4 points · Posted at 02:43:33 on June 18, 2018 · (Permalink)
I am not. I was only there as a contractor for a few months. But not gonna lie, it was pretty great to meet him and have him draw over my shots, he was very pleasant and generous person.
I feel I got the full Glen Keane experience because he wasnt doing 3d, he was still drawing notes on our shots in 2d animation. I recall during one dailies he got bored when the directors went off on a tangent and he started animating a T-Rex chasing Rapunzel before our eyes. When the directors finally re-engaged the rest of the room was "Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, Glen is animating!!!!!"
in_some_knee_yak · 2 points · Posted at 05:29:10 on June 18, 2018 · (Permalink)
Oh wow that is amazing. I've been a Keane fanboy since the 90s and it's largely thanks to him that I work in animation. What a great experience for you to have.
Chairmenmeow · 2 points · Posted at 19:07:55 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Ya know you got me thinking about this more, and i suspect a big reason is CG animation is a little more... daily iterative process than the old 2d disney way. I can submit my shots multiple times a day to directors if nessisary and with a push of a button the shot is playblasted and sandwiched in its contextual shots. The director can then draw over my shot frame by frame in a cintiq and then i can access that at my desk. The feedback loop is so much faster that you can experiment with acting choices quickly, where as 20-30 years ago you wanted to be pretty clear what you were animating before you put pencil to paper.
Dinierto · 9 points · Posted at 15:01:28 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
r/thatsmyfetish
AbleIndependence · 3 points · Posted at 16:20:42 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
This makes my heart so happy
Gurumba · 3 points · Posted at 17:48:01 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Surprised people don't put this together and show it off. I think so many people would love to see it.
Chairmenmeow · 1 points · Posted at 17:54:03 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
People do put time lapse videos of their progress up. Do a youtube search for "animation progress reel" and you should get lots of hits. I think Jeff Gabor had some good ones up at one point.
I found it: https://vimeo.com/43769992
I swear I am not affiliated with Mr. Gabor, he's just a well known animator in the community.
OopsAllSpells · 6 points · Posted at 15:59:54 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Person with common sense here: anyone who actually thinks it is rotoscoped knows nothing about animation.
DigbyChickenZone · 2 points · Posted at 20:45:16 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Common sense =/= knowing animation terms.
[deleted] · 2 points · Posted at 16:25:57 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
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I_Think_I_Cant · 3 points · Posted at 17:56:25 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
/r/4chan
slackerdan · 2 points · Posted at 16:30:54 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Just edit all footage together and make the The Brony Movie. You'll make millions.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 16:53:13 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Do you ever broadcast animated cartoons or films live?
Chairmenmeow · 1 points · Posted at 17:15:24 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
All of the above. Ive done work for feature, commercials, and these days I do video games :)
Edit: i misunderstood your question, you mean like live stream my process? I feel that would be a really boring stream, considering i average 2 to 5 seconds of animation per week. ;)
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 17:51:20 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Thanks for the answer. I'd say the process would be interesting!
But tbh, I was trying to make a Simpsons based joke! 😊
Chairmenmeow · 1 points · Posted at 17:57:00 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Doh!
what-the-muffin · 1 points · Posted at 17:07:01 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
I wish there was a documentary on this! It’s so fascinating!
SuchaPlainDude · 1 points · Posted at 17:24:36 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
This actually makes me really happy. Imagine getting to be the reference for Goofy!
Pennzoil · 1 points · Posted at 17:44:49 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
thank you. i came to comments to see an animator say this wasnt rotoscoped, just that it was reference material.
rotoscoping looks weird.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 17:46:40 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
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Chairmenmeow · 2 points · Posted at 17:55:35 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
It depends on what you are animating. If you are looking for acting and/or dialog beats its works just fine. If you need to know how a monkey walks you go and look at a monkey. See the post I made earlier of Jeff Gabors Horton Hears a Who video, where he films himself for an elephant.
Thurn42 · 1 points · Posted at 18:16:58 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Snow white dancing was rotoscoped i believe
smallpoly · 1 points · Posted at 18:21:44 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yep. Rotoscoped work has a very distinct look, and this isn't it.
bakesthecakes · 1 points · Posted at 19:11:43 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Whatever?
Chairmenmeow · 2 points · Posted at 19:18:04 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Any number of non-male or non-human character that an animator is filming performance reference for.
_Not_Bruce_Wayne_ · 1 points · Posted at 19:14:14 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Or animators with boards nailed to their shoes
downingp · 1 points · Posted at 19:34:37 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
It reminds me of how the toy story animaters strapped wooden boards to their feet and jumped around to get the motions of the toy soldiers.
Trankman · 1 points · Posted at 19:42:18 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
When I try to animate you realize your mental image can't hold that much detail of movement, or at least mine can't. I'm sitting in my chair giving myself a thumbs up to see how I shake and move
Chairmenmeow · 1 points · Posted at 19:55:17 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Totally, there is a lot to keep track of! I currently work in games and i dont film myself much these days, but i do get up out of my seat and go through the physical motions.
Trankman · 1 points · Posted at 20:07:13 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Got any tips for getting into the field? I'm trying to avoid the debt of college but Idk what I should really do
Chairmenmeow · 1 points · Posted at 22:13:37 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
I went to a 4 year art school for animation but that was 16 years ago and now there are a lot of great online trade schools like animationmentor, ianimate, and anim school. They are a lot cheaper and frankly better curriculums than many four year schools. There are even more self taught options online. Generally speaking employers dont care about your degree, only your demo reel. If you are just starting out on your artistic journey a strong foundation in drawing from life is always recomended.
Pedadinga · 1 points · Posted at 20:47:43 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Thank you. Was just about to make this point. I may be wrong, but I thought Snow White was the only rotoscoped (pieces) movie Disney made?
Deomon · 1 points · Posted at 22:07:00 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Now that is a 10 hour youtube video I would watch.
MonkeyOnYourMomsBack · 1 points · Posted at 00:18:05 on June 18, 2018 · (Permalink)
Literally came here to say this because I knew people were going to be saying this was rotoscoped. Thank you and nice work on being the top and very educational comment :D
_pure_supercool · 1 points · Posted at 00:52:37 on June 18, 2018 · (Permalink)
I really, really, really want to see the footage of the guys acting like horses.
luke_in_the_sky · 1 points · Posted at 01:39:37 on June 18, 2018 · (Permalink)
It was drawn over though. Obviously with the character style.
https://youtu.be/f5BEKRtvKA0?t=75
wholebunchofbees · 1 points · Posted at 01:02:27 on July 20, 2018 · (Permalink)
As a female animator in games, theres a lot of reference of myself as male super heros or sword wielding monsters and it’s all so weird looking.
lmea14 · 1 points · Posted at 15:53:01 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Came here to say the same!
slymiinc · -1 points · Posted at 15:39:23 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Proof of any of that??
OnionKnightReturns · -2 points · Posted at 17:20:03 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Uhhh no one claimed that it WAS rotoscoped. This was unnecessary.
LeoBoom · 4 points · Posted at 18:00:03 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
The title said the footage was ‘drawn over,’ which implies rotoscoping. But nothing was ‘drawn over’ in this instance.
CollectableRat · -14 points · Posted at 15:32:42 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Kinda cheating though isn't it, to use a live action video with full sized props as reference. It must be the best way to do it economically because that's how Disney did it, but still when you think of hand drawn cells it's easy to think of an artist just drawing what he sees in his mind, instead of referencing a live video and xeroxing the lines.
CptDecaf · 14 points · Posted at 15:44:33 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Cheating? Drawing with a reference is "cheating?" Lol.
Chairmenmeow · 10 points · Posted at 15:37:58 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Its less about economics and more about there are just details in posing, body mechanics, and timing that you just dont notice or think about until you see it in footage. I will shoot a shot of myself and with a bunch of takes and edit the best parts of the takes into one shot. I also have a mirror on my desk whenever i am doing dialog or facial. Being an animator is more about developing your eye for observation than developing straight from imagination.
toofemmetofunction · 4 points · Posted at 16:38:48 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Using a reference isn't just "xeroxing" / tracing. Almost all visual artists use reference of some kind, it's the right way to draw.
JakeArvizu · 2 points · Posted at 15:53:06 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Cheating what?
CollectableRat · 1 points · Posted at 16:39:12 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
The photographer/videographer composed the shots for them.
Chairmenmeow · 1 points · Posted at 18:05:34 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
The shots were composed before they filmed it. All animation (2d and CG) starts as story boards and then is edited into an "animatic" with audio, camera work, and light visual effects. As an animator when you are assigned a shot all the composition and main story beats have been figured out long before you touch it.
Boydle · 413 points · Posted at 14:37:10 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
There's a similar video for Zero to Hero from Hercules, it's amazing
VaJJ_Abrams · 497 points · Posted at 15:18:19 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Hell yes it is
https://youtu.be/sCoJvu8PF7Q
Majora101 · 74 points · Posted at 15:35:21 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Very cool, thank you for sharing the link!
kiki-cakes · 28 points · Posted at 19:14:42 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
I would like to have that job. All the fun, none of the worrying about being picture perfect (too much)
piicklechiick · 23 points · Posted at 17:06:03 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
My favorite Disney movie! That was awesome
garbageman13 · 9 points · Posted at 19:48:42 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wow, that’s the kind of thing that starts up a theater production of Hercules!
Nas160 · 4 points · Posted at 23:15:10 on June 18, 2018 · (Permalink)
One of the most fun Disney numbers, it's just so energetic and fitting. There was a point in 2013 where I randomly just couldn't stop watching that song sequence over and over and over.
Sabrotro · 265 points · Posted at 15:00:17 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Fun Fact: Butch Hartman, creator of The Fairly Oddparents and Danny Phantom had this job and Disney used him as a reference for Pocahontas's Kocoum and John Smith
RockySidewalk · 61 points · Posted at 16:39:28 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
That is pretty cool. No sarcasm intended! Heard he left Nickelodeon
Lara_the_dog · 44 points · Posted at 16:44:19 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah.
He has a youtube channel
whalep · 7 points · Posted at 23:26:50 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Link to his channel for anyone who wants to check it out!
Escheron · 3 points · Posted at 00:21:38 on June 18, 2018 · (Permalink)
youtube keeps recommending i watch his videos. i have no idea why, but it might have something to do with the fact that i keep watching his videos
Strawburys · 10 points · Posted at 21:12:19 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
r/bearclawnipplegifs
SenorWeird · 3 points · Posted at 21:43:18 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
I was just thinking about this subreddit earlier today. It was once my favorite novelty sub.
the_sloot · 659 points · Posted at 12:23:08 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
I believe Disney does this with a lot of their animated films. I know they did for sure with Snow White and Cinderella.
CJB95 · 215 points · Posted at 13:56:41 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
And Alice in wonderland
grim77 · 95 points · Posted at 14:23:47 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
yeah I remember seeing the Peter pan behind the scenes almost looked like they did a stage show of the script and animated over it pretty cool. that's probably how they've gotten such good movement animations over the years
JookJook · 37 points · Posted at 15:05:56 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
I knew it! Johnny Depp is an animated character.
Xechwill · 17 points · Posted at 15:36:53 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
It just really goes to show you the absolute skill Disney animators have, you know? My grandfather’s grandson knows a guy who works at Disney, and apparently they just animate Johnny Depp in real-time 24/7 which is really cool tbh
wonkey_monkey · 12 points · Posted at 18:58:14 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
So... your cousin?
Or your brother, or you...
Handoof · 1 points · Posted at 23:31:25 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'm struggling with this as well.
[deleted] · 6 points · Posted at 15:54:16 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
And Peter Pan. Animators need reference.
They even brought animals to the studio to study for Bambi.
nytrons · 75 points · Posted at 14:30:53 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Pretty much all animators use reference videos, although it's not very common to directly draw over them.
In this example there are clear differences in the timing, I don't think it was rotoscoped.
thepixelpaint · 27 points · Posted at 14:40:11 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
No rotoscoping here. This footage was used as reference material for the animation.
csupernova · 20 points · Posted at 14:37:28 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
No definitely not rotoscoped. I think they’re saying they draw over the live action for reference, embellishing as needed.
nytrons · 17 points · Posted at 14:44:05 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Isn't that what rotoscoping is? If they drew over the footage, as soon as there was even one frame difference in the timing it would be useless.
csupernova · -9 points · Posted at 14:45:59 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Not necessarily. I think rotoscoping is if they replaced that green screen with a different background, not creating a new animation with different movement of a reference video
lamercie · 15 points · Posted at 14:52:13 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Rotoscoping means tracing. No backgrounds involved.
csupernova · -7 points · Posted at 14:53:14 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
I meant they’d cut her out of the video and replace the background
lamercie · 7 points · Posted at 14:53:53 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
That’s just using a green screen haha
nytrons · 7 points · Posted at 14:54:47 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
I think you're mistaken, these days roto is usually referring to the process of tracing something frame by frame to remove it from a background, but technically it's just a general term for drawing over live action footage.
I believe that early animations like snow white and betty boop were actually rotoscoped, but the technique is rarely used in that way any more because it's so restrictive.
NikkoE82 · 9 points · Posted at 17:05:33 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Snow White didn't use full rotoscoping in the modern sense of the word. They would trace over some frames and estimate movements for large swaths of frames between.
EDIT: There's a gif in this album where you can see differences in positioning between the footage and the animation. https://m.imgur.com/gallery/IZkSR
nytrons · 2 points · Posted at 17:27:30 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wow, thanks so much that was great!
Alysazombie · 1 points · Posted at 19:47:33 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Wow. That is a great link. Thanks for sharing!
roastytoastykitty · 1 points · Posted at 21:13:11 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
I don't think it was drawn over. More likely they were looking at the footage while drawing. It might seem like a subtle difference but it is a different technique!
Source: have read several books about animation
errorme · 30 points · Posted at 15:43:10 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
In 'How to Train Your Dragon' one of the animators threw a ball of duct tape at their cat's tail to see how it would react. Here's that + the scene in the movie.
NikkoE82 · 11 points · Posted at 14:35:10 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
It started with Snow White. They did test animations without a reference and the movements just looked far too "rubbery" and I believe they've used reference footage ever since.
AliveProbably · 1 points · Posted at 06:31:28 on June 18, 2018 · (Permalink)
Rotoscoping predates Snow White by quite a bit, and much of the film is done without rotoscoping--you can see the difference in some of the reference footage we have, especially with the dance sequence, where some of the harder, quicker moves are rotoscoped and some of the slower ones are referenced.
NikkoE82 · 1 points · Posted at 10:56:27 on June 18, 2018 · (Permalink)
When I say "they" I just mean Disney. I know rotoscoping predates Snow White.
happytrel · 2 points · Posted at 17:04:51 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Lion King as well.
ciaranthedinosaur · 1 points · Posted at 15:24:32 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
They brought in lions for the lion king.
SamfromRI · 1 points · Posted at 17:43:52 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
You can see examples from the early Disney classics in “The Illusion of Life” by Thomas and Johnston.
f1mxli · 1 points · Posted at 17:59:05 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Sleeping Beauty did this too. It's more common than what I (and hence, probably most of the general audience) used to think it was.
LubaUnderfoot · 2 points · Posted at 19:18:26 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
I think I recall hearing this about Bambi and Fantasia as well. Not only with animals, but with raindrops falling on plants.
JustToddIGuess · 1 points · Posted at 19:20:35 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Lion king. They sat in front of live lions and drew them
Hellodeeries · 1 points · Posted at 01:02:09 on June 18, 2018 · (Permalink)
Sleeping Beauty for sure - they had the models in the clothing as well for it and you can find cool side by sides of the dancing especially
[deleted] · 195 points · Posted at 15:43:25 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
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darkbreak · 118 points · Posted at 16:16:22 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
You could still create traditional animation on computers. It just seems that Disney itself wants to go full 3D, which is a bit of a loss. There's so much that can be done stylistically with 2D animation.
Sprinterstar7 · 22 points · Posted at 18:51:09 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
It's not like Disney hasn't already done it. I remember being blown away at what went into making their "Paperman" short.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZJLtujW6FY
Edit: Changed videos
darkbreak · 7 points · Posted at 19:41:09 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Of course, that was great. But animation like that is not their focus anymore.
N0stradamus · 1 points · Posted at 23:57:03 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Is there no good quality version of the Paperman short that does not have problems with audio/video after 38 seconds?
Xet · 1 points · Posted at 00:07:58 on June 18, 2018 · (Permalink)
That video is glitched, fyi. Doesn't play properly.
nilok1 · 47 points · Posted at 17:04:08 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
That's how South Park does it. Trey said its wild that they use basically the same computers they use to make Star Wars but they use them to make construction paper animation.
Crowbarmagic · 12 points · Posted at 19:24:17 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
For the Warcraft episode they coincidentally used the same modeling program Blizzard did, so they could just download the character models the Blizzard people gave them instead of having to start from scratch.
swohio · 2 points · Posted at 21:13:57 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
I think I read that Blizzard worked with them and basically set up a private wow server and just used existing in game models/animation for that episode.
Crowbarmagic · 3 points · Posted at 21:22:19 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Both that and what I said is mentioned in the commentary of that episode (which can be found on the southpark website!)
Someone "invaded" their private server, and that (and how the Blizzard people responded) influenced the story.
[deleted] · 6 points · Posted at 18:32:54 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
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roastytoastykitty · 1 points · Posted at 21:21:07 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
A lot of computer hand-drawn stuff still uses "cheats" like automatic inbetweening and stretching the drawings to create movement. (Think Foster's home for imaginary friends, or my little pony) It ends up looking more awkward than traditional animation even though the characters are drawn by hand. But it is very possible to create animation on a computer that looks nearly identical to pencil on paper traditional animation. It just takes a lot more time, effort, and money so it's not very popular. It's a shame though.
[deleted] · 0 points · Posted at 19:27:32 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
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darkbreak · 1 points · Posted at 19:42:22 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Well that hurts my heart and makes me think kids don’t know what the hell they’re talking about.
SurfaceGrinder · 6 points · Posted at 20:31:40 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
The hand animation studio at Disney was shut down.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 04:59:01 on June 28, 2018 · (Permalink)
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[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 15:54:41 on June 28, 2018 · (Permalink)
CGI films don't age as well. Beauty and the Beast still looks great today but the original Toy Story looks horrible compared to Toy Story 3.
RigasTelRuun · 411 points · Posted at 14:23:48 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'm kinda unnerved by how Ariel's lower torso seems to move independently from the rest of her.
GlaciusTS · 65 points · Posted at 16:09:16 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
I noticed that too, it’s like her boobs have a mind of their own.
iloveprettyladies · 80 points · Posted at 15:31:59 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
I have... other feelings towards that.
RigasTelRuun · 35 points · Posted at 15:40:43 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
The character is meant to be 15/16.
Edit: there is a surprising amount of pedophiles in this sub.
[deleted] · 95 points · Posted at 15:49:41 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
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RigasTelRuun · 16 points · Posted at 15:57:29 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Well you are on a watch list too now.
PunctuationsOptional · 1 points · Posted at 01:04:52 on June 18, 2018 · (Permalink)
Lol. I got that one. Nice
RowRowFightdaBoat · 44 points · Posted at 16:15:01 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
So? I wasn't born when the movie came out, and she's a drawing.
RigasTelRuun · -40 points · Posted at 16:18:58 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
It doesn't matter when you were born. The portrayal is of an under age girl. A photograph of a 15 year old is still a 15 year old, even if the person is 40 years old now.
RowRowFightdaBoat · 36 points · Posted at 16:35:57 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
But this isn't a photograph, its a drawing. A drawing of somebody that has never existed.
Edit: lmao pedophiles? Nice. Do you think people who draw voilence are murderers as well? Its crazy how many stuffy puritans are on reddit.
IdahoSkier · 26 points · Posted at 16:30:08 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Boy oh boy is your mind gonna melt when you discover /r/rule34
kayladu · 19 points · Posted at 16:41:32 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah but let’s be real. They do not make little mermaid look young at all. She’s prancing around in strapless seashell bras.. Same goes for jasmine. The creators know what they’re doing.
RowRowFightdaBoat · 4 points · Posted at 17:10:55 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
I found that when people find out creators do that, they call the creators pedos and harrass them. Doesn't matter they're not real. Doesn't matter that the references the creator used were all adults. What matters is that they think its sinful.
maddyzeemak · -13 points · Posted at 17:06:05 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
But officer, she didn't look 15.
Radicalbanana34 · 37 points · Posted at 16:29:14 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
You realize a large portion of reddit is made up of underage guys too right?
[deleted] · 31 points · Posted at 16:37:30 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Women aren't attractive until the moment they hit 18
Shawnj2 · 13 points · Posted at 16:08:15 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
So a 9.4/10 ?
o4zloiroman · 7 points · Posted at 17:37:51 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Which is, accidentally, the age of consent of many developed countries in the world.
BoomToll · 3 points · Posted at 20:49:37 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Bluefin tuna (the closest fish I found that could become a hybrid, based on size and appearance) live to about 50 if they're lucky. averaging that with a traditional human lifespan of 80 (bump it up to 90 since she's royalty and would be getting the best medical treatment known to fish) and the average merfolk lifespan should be about 65, 70 for royalty. Humans become legal at the age of 18, 22.5% through our lives. 22.5% of 65 is just over 14 (14.625) which means that
(drumrolls)
Ariel has been legal for 1-2 years and I just spent half an hour researching whether you're allowed to fuck a half-fish or not
But wait, there's more.
Denmark (where the little mermaid took place, according to film theory) only passed laws against beastiality in 2015, hundreds of years after the little mermaid takes place. Ariel is fully legal guys, as long as it's inside the Disney universe.
Lara_the_dog · 3 points · Posted at 16:43:39 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Who doesnt look like she is 15. And also escapes to get married.
Besides that no body should be able to do that.
RigasTelRuun · -9 points · Posted at 16:57:55 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
She didn't look 15! Is that what you said when they arrested you?
Lara_the_dog · 12 points · Posted at 17:08:36 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Disney kind of glances over the fact at how young the princesses are. Because that would make it extremely creepy. Most people assume the prjncesses are adults. Cause like they go away and marry a random guy. Like snow white is 14. A 14 year old whose stepmom wants killed cause she is more attractive. That lives with 7 men for a while. Before going in a coma. Being kissed by a random guy and then going with him to marry him...
It's creepy regardless of we think they are drawn to look their age.
HydroConz · 5 points · Posted at 17:10:52 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
I don't think anyone is getting arrested for finding the little mermaid attractive.
und88 · -1 points · Posted at 18:31:29 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'm kinda disappointed they didn't give Ariel human proportions. Edit: I didn't mean that to sound sexual. I mean they have a real life woman there to model off, but they choose to model her torso off a Barbie doll.
angrymamapaws · 0 points · Posted at 22:39:28 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Don't you hate it when a current grabs specific bits of you and jiggles them? When you're not in water any more?
Climbing-sunshine · 54 points · Posted at 16:00:15 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Did anybody else notice how well they copied her hands? She puts down each finger at a time when going through her hair it's super unique!
awildfoxappears · 15 points · Posted at 19:08:59 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yes that’s the first thing I noticed. My immediate thought was, “They needed the reference for the hands.” Animating and drawing expressive hands is particularly difficult, especially with very dynamic motions like this.
deadpan007 · 35 points · Posted at 15:54:46 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
There's a really great video with the animators and refrence actors who worked on The Little Mermaid and other Disney movies! It's really cool and even kind of mezmerising to see the actors and how it transitions into the animations!
Here's the link: https://youtu.be/HB3_TrXqwbU
yoshimiandtherobots · 5 points · Posted at 18:10:45 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Thanks for sharing! Animating is so collaborative.
Lily_May · 20 points · Posted at 18:22:23 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
The scene where Ariel sighs and blows upward to ruffle her bangs was taken from this actress sitting between takes. The animators loved it as something a young woman would do.
abradolph · 60 points · Posted at 14:31:55 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Butch Hartman recently did a video on his experience acting for Pocahontas.
the-bacon-king · 73 points · Posted at 12:43:25 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
This is how all animated movies are done.
clickfive4321 · 25 points · Posted at 15:38:42 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah but there's video of it so that makes it a movie detail.
officerkondo · 1 points · Posted at 16:01:21 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
It doesn’t appear in the movie, so how can it be a movie detail? Actors each lunch, but I don’t think a picture of George Clooney eating a ham sandwich between takes for Ocean’s 11 is a movie detail.
BoxOfDOG · 14 points · Posted at 16:53:16 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Because him eating lunch doesn't directly impact the content and quality of the movie.
What a weirdly irrelevant comparison.
officerkondo · 2 points · Posted at 23:45:34 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
He has to eat or he’ll die and then there is no movie.
Sorry, but I don’t consider general movie production techniques to be “movie details”. What’s next, a gif of Foley artists making the punching sounds for an action movie?
BoxOfDOG · 0 points · Posted at 01:13:54 on June 18, 2018 · (Permalink)
Your reasoning is nothing short of contrived.
And yeah, Foley artists ARE a part of movie details. It's interesting to know what techniques and objects they used to create sound effects.
Sorry that you don't consider these movie details, but the fact that it's still here is against you on that.
officerkondo · 3 points · Posted at 01:38:15 on June 18, 2018 · (Permalink)
This is a mere conclusion. You need to state the reasoning, son.
They are a part of film production, not “movie details”, which to me are examples of the director’s...(wait for it)...attention to detail. For example, something like Laura moving the bag from the driver’s seat in Logan (that she presumably used as a booster), the train and hotel room having the same number in Inception, or Flash Thompson being at Harry’s funeral in Spider-Man 3. Not things like “hey, this is called a Dutch angle”.
The fact that a position is popular has no bearing on its truth. It bothers me that I have to explain this to an adult.
[deleted] · -1 points · Posted at 01:58:35 on June 18, 2018 · (Permalink)
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officerkondo · 0 points · Posted at 02:00:11 on June 18, 2018 · (Permalink)
I appreciate that you conceded rather than dig in your heels. What reason do you have to believe your time is precious?
rasterbated · 1 points · Posted at 17:11:17 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah but Brad Pitt eating half a sandwich in every scene of that movie...
BobanaterBob · 1 points · Posted at 16:49:17 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
He forgot a /s I think
[deleted] · 6 points · Posted at 16:45:56 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
I am just surprised Andy Serkis did not go back in time for this role.
GuyNekologist · 13 points · Posted at 15:02:28 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
man, so many posts related to Disney animated movies recently. what gives
Sylvester_Scott · 17 points · Posted at 15:55:27 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
"That's interesting!" ➞ Copious upvotes ➞ Redditors digging up more hoping for the same.
'Tis the way of things.
[deleted] · 23 points · Posted at 15:26:11 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
How is this a movie detail ? This is is just some behind the scenes stuff and a Fun fact at best.
Cestus44 · 15 points · Posted at 16:08:54 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
This is definitely more /r/Moviesinthemaking than MovieDetails
[deleted] · -3 points · Posted at 16:10:34 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
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[deleted] · 4 points · Posted at 16:12:21 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Hi, welcome to Reddit.
AliveProbably · 1 points · Posted at 06:33:51 on June 18, 2018 · (Permalink)
If you don't care about the scope of a sub why even have /r/MovieDetails? We could all just post in /r/movies.
poopmaroop · 11 points · Posted at 15:19:54 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
I voted for Ariel in this year's Forbes most fuckable cartoon poll.
darkbreak · 5 points · Posted at 16:14:30 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
You got a link to said poll?
Ottfan1 · 3 points · Posted at 15:59:05 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yo shrooms can make that shit look animated too
NordinTheLich · 3 points · Posted at 17:48:35 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
I feel like this is less a movie detail and more a TIL. Still a great post! I love rotoscoping!
WamsyTheOneAndOnly · 2 points · Posted at 18:56:03 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
It's better to think of this subreddit as a movie trivia sub than a sub for details included in movies.
NordinTheLich · 1 points · Posted at 23:23:48 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah, that's how I'm starting to view it. I kinda would prefer the latter, but both are awesome!
BoomToll · 2 points · Posted at 20:54:47 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
There must be a hundred comments in this thread about how this isn't rotoscoping
NordinTheLich · 1 points · Posted at 23:25:10 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Isn't it? Correct me if I'm wrong, but rotoscoping is essentially animating something with an animated reference. Like tracing a video. Film someone doing something, draw each frame, rotoscoping. Right? I could be wrong.
[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 02:04:34 on June 18, 2018 · (Permalink)
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NordinTheLich · 1 points · Posted at 03:52:47 on June 18, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeah, reference was poor word choice on my part. Still, the title of the post claims the footage was drawn over, so wouldn't that imply tracing/rotoscoping? I'm genuinely wanting to know.
Jt832 · 15 points · Posted at 13:35:39 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Oh my, she was gorgeous!
[deleted] · 25 points · Posted at 14:01:43 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
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scotiej · 4 points · Posted at 14:52:30 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Holy shit, she was also the reference model for Belle and voiced Slappy Squirrel in the Animaniacs.
misplaced_my_pants · 2 points · Posted at 22:23:36 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
So what you're telling me is she's my soul mate.
connecteduser · 32 points · Posted at 14:30:10 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Ariel was most likely my first little boy crush when I was in kindergarten. I remember ordering a small Little Mermaid book from the scholastic catalog.
Looking at this, I wonder if this could help explain why I feel a bit extra attracted to ditsy bimbos.
clario6372 · 49 points · Posted at 14:33:21 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Aww, I don't think Ariel is a ditzy bimbo.
lydocia · 15 points · Posted at 15:56:42 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Naive and ditzy, maybe, but definitely not a bimbo.
sje46 · 9 points · Posted at 16:38:25 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
There isn't really a definite definition of bimbo. Sometimes it implies sexual promiscuity, sometimes it doesn't. Usually it implies ditziness or naivety, or just lack of intelligence. Very often it refers to a very beautiful or sexually desirable woman, to the point of a stereotype (large bust, blonde hair, blue eyes). It's easier to just find examples in pop culture than to define it. Kelly Bundy, Karen from Mean GIrls, the House Bunny, maybe Cher Horowitz. Elle Woods is a slightly averted example because she's ditzy, beautiful, fashion-obsessed, etc, but also very intelligent.
Would I call Ariel a bimbo? No. But she does act in a very silly way, sorta like a gullible star-eyed bimbo would. I can 100% see why someone attracted to Ariel would also be into more stereotypical bimbos.
lydocia · 9 points · Posted at 16:40:30 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Ariel is closer to Haley Dunphy in the first season of Modern Family than to any of those adult bimbos you listed.
sje46 · 2 points · Posted at 16:44:21 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
I actually can't remember too much of the first season, but her overall character has quality of a bimbos as well. Ditzy, beautiful, a bit naive, etc. Not blonde, though. I like what they did with her character in later seasons (I don't watch the show anymore) where they made her more successful and intelligent in a millennial kinda way.
connecteduser · 6 points · Posted at 14:38:40 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
So naive then? Like she needs to be rescued from the dangers of the world.
Brutal_Lobster · 6 points · Posted at 16:28:18 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Like a child. Never understood why people are into that.
connecteduser · -1 points · Posted at 17:37:04 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
The ability to be dominate in a relationship. To be in control of the decisions. Sure, it has it's drawbacks. Sometimes people want to make all the decisions while their partner gets to feel a sense of direction and purpose.
Brutal_Lobster · 2 points · Posted at 17:44:22 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Which sounds exhausting, like raising a child. Guess it just isn't my cup of tea.
connecteduser · -1 points · Posted at 19:49:48 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
It can be exhausting at times, but the reward is that you have loyalty and control. 10 years of marriage and two kids later it feels good to be king on fathers day.
Brutal_Lobster · 3 points · Posted at 20:10:12 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Happy Father's day my dude.
Halexander_Amilton · 56 points · Posted at 14:36:35 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Ariel wasn’t a ditzy bimbo, she was a 16 year old girl.
You’re probably attracted to ditzy bimbos because you have bad taste in women.
connecteduser · 10 points · Posted at 14:39:42 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
No need to shame a woman for being intellectually disabled. They also need love.
Noodle-Works · 3 points · Posted at 16:12:17 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
there is a ditzy bimbo for everyone out there! don't give up hope!
giggity · 4 points · Posted at 17:07:04 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
You get a bimbo, and YOU get a bimbo, EVERYONE GETS A BIMBO!!
BabyBritain8 · -5 points · Posted at 15:29:03 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
As a woman (and as a girl when I was little) I always found Ariel a little creepy lol. Seeing this side-by-side comparison now, sort of explains why. A grown woman being wayyy too excited by a fork is pushing it for me. But I guess a teenager being wayyy too excited by a fork is sort of cute? :)
I always thought Ariel’s sisters were prettier, but my favorite character by far was Ursula, even if she looked like a heavily overweight Elizabeth Taylor.
lydocia · 9 points · Posted at 15:57:21 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Except she's not a grown woman but a sheltered 16 year old.
BabyBritain8 · 2 points · Posted at 19:36:10 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
I meant the actress they’re basing her off of above ^ She was apparently born a year before my mom.
It’s a little weird, and I was never super into the little mermaid story, but I’m not knocking other people’s interests in it
prefontaintedlove · -7 points · Posted at 14:48:21 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
No ditsy bimbos are just fun to date.
De-Hond · 5 points · Posted at 16:45:11 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
She looks like a mental patient
HereForTheBanHammer · 2 points · Posted at 16:07:51 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
I believe that's Sheri Stoner, she was also the head writer for Animainics.
the_dumbledore · 2 points · Posted at 16:19:59 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
gif ended too soon
SphmrSlmp · 1 points · Posted at 15:22:27 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
I wonder how much do these reference actors get paid?
ace_urban · 2 points · Posted at 20:57:28 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
3 money
tanis_ivy · 1 points · Posted at 15:29:12 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
This is pretty cool, it's basically manual motion capture.
pure710 · 1 points · Posted at 15:39:34 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Is that the actress from MacGuyver?
Edit: Nevermind I’m just stoned. DAE(when high) mistakenly think strangers are people they know or recognize? I do this all the time!
bohenian12 · 1 points · Posted at 16:05:55 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Old school motion capture. Drawing something from scratch is very time consuming, so tracing a real human will save you time from thinking about the proportions.
angeleaniebeanie · 3 points · Posted at 16:18:14 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
They didn’t trace it, they used it for reference.
brush_between_meals · 1 points · Posted at 16:12:58 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
For anyone interested in more detail about how acting reference has been used in animation (mostly not actually rotoscoping), check out "The Animator's Survival Kit" by Richard Williams (of "Who Framed Roger Rabbit" fame). Among other things, Williams makes the case that learning to be a good animator is largely about learning how to be a good actor.
Me-Shell94 · 1 points · Posted at 16:22:42 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
I don't know why but her acting reminds me of the H3H3 hand model
BigAlsGal78 · 1 points · Posted at 16:29:35 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
I could never get a fork to go through my hair. 😂
alienhailey · 1 points · Posted at 16:50:00 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Just like Alice in Wonderland
Earthly_Delights_ · 1 points · Posted at 17:02:41 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
I’d love to see a compilation of more live action references for animation.
gadorp · 1 points · Posted at 17:31:50 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Holy crap, that Disney smile of hers was real!
RealOfficerHotPants · 1 points · Posted at 17:32:48 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Isn't this what's called rotoscoping? Or am I horrendously confused?
Moviesman8 · 1 points · Posted at 17:41:23 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
There's basically a live action reference movie for every animation.
misfit_11 · 1 points · Posted at 18:06:04 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
this goes back at least as far as Snow White (1937.) Most animated films are done this way for at least some scenes.
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 18:45:26 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Bakshi did it first
GrimaceIVXX · 1 points · Posted at 18:56:30 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Sha-la-la-la-la-la, don't be scared
Infinitely_Chaotic · 1 points · Posted at 18:56:51 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
This wasn't exactly a rotoscope. Anastasia is the perfect example of an animated film drawn over the actors movements
cellexo · 1 points · Posted at 18:57:57 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
The whole of Rango was done Li,e this with all the actors who voiced in it. It’s so cool. Makes the animators job easier too.
Malgayne · 1 points · Posted at 19:01:51 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
You may also be interested to know that they used her as a reference for the underwater shots as well, so they could accurately Ana made Ariel’s hair. They literally stuck her in a giant water tank on the universal lot.
grorthory · 1 points · Posted at 19:07:26 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
holds up spork
BetaInTheSheets · 1 points · Posted at 19:40:41 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
I want to see the whole film like this
alchemist23 · 1 points · Posted at 19:50:37 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Ariel's fingers grow and shrink
Jason0278 · 1 points · Posted at 20:07:44 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
This is trivia, not an "interesting and unnoticed detail that appears in a movie."
PeakProcessor · 1 points · Posted at 20:23:12 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
I’m confussed, how did we think they did it? Or are we just excited for the footage.
Concealer77 · 1 points · Posted at 21:55:44 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Look at this stuff
Mank_____Demes · 1 points · Posted at 21:55:57 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Same thing was done for Frozen. Look it up, it’s hilarious.
ReadyPlayer15 · 1 points · Posted at 22:24:21 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Isn't this just called rotoscoping
Supes_man · 1 points · Posted at 22:50:01 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Except Ariel’s boobs are perplexingly more animated.
wilberfan · 1 points · Posted at 23:23:46 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Live action reference footage has been used since at least Snow White...
Dreadknock · 1 points · Posted at 23:28:34 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
So Disney is a tracer
natotater · 1 points · Posted at 23:42:49 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
I feel like /r/moviesinthemaking would be more accurate.
bobster999 · 1 points · Posted at 00:01:31 on June 18, 2018 · (Permalink)
Though this scene isnt rotoscoped as its different, what you described is what rotoscoping is. Max Fleischer invented the technique which was then picked up by disney.
There are live versions of snow white and other Disney movies on youtube.
mschweini · 1 points · Posted at 02:07:27 on June 18, 2018 · (Permalink)
How can I find these reference videos? Sounds fascinating!
bobster999 · 2 points · Posted at 02:13:25 on June 18, 2018 · (Permalink)
Search on YouTube for rotoscoping live action. If you want to find out more about the technique look up Max Fleischer.
mschweini · 1 points · Posted at 02:19:33 on June 18, 2018 · (Permalink)
Thanks!
chocolate_spaghetti · 1 points · Posted at 00:37:25 on June 18, 2018 · (Permalink)
Isn’t that basically how they’ve made cartoons since the rotoscope was invented
Surely_Serious · 1 points · Posted at 00:49:22 on June 18, 2018 · (Permalink)
I remember watching an interview years ago with one of the animators and he said in order to get inspiration for her flowing hair, they used footage of female astronauts in zero-g, figuring that was a good representation of living under the ocean.
kayladu · 1 points · Posted at 00:51:34 on June 18, 2018 · (Permalink)
If I tried to brush my hair with a fork I would rip the hair out from my head.
SoVeryKerry · 1 points · Posted at 03:45:05 on June 19, 2018 · (Permalink)
Last month I met Margaret Kerry, who played in a couple episodes of the Andy Griffith show. But what I didn’t know was that she was the original live action model for Walt Disney’s Tinker Bell.
Misaria · 1 points · Posted at 15:50:25 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
"The Little Mermaid': Alyssa Milano Reveals She Was The Inspiration For Disney's Ariel"
[deleted] · 1 points · Posted at 19:09:08 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Ariel s by far the hottest Disney princess.
tugboattomp · -1 points · Posted at 20:18:58 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Pedo
FloopsMcGee · 4 points · Posted at 21:19:43 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
A 16 year old is not a child. A grown adult being attracted to a 16 year old is creepy, but it's not pedophilia.
tugboattomp · 0 points · Posted at 22:40:32 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Sorry buddy, you're parsing words and you're still a pedo leering at children's bodies, and just because it's anime doesn't give you cover
FloopsMcGee · 1 points · Posted at 23:02:01 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
I'm not that other dude
tugboattomp · 1 points · Posted at 01:15:26 on June 18, 2018 · (Permalink)
Yeabut you sound like him so how would I know?
FloopsMcGee · 1 points · Posted at 01:18:09 on June 18, 2018 · (Permalink)
Do I? I don't really see it. The other guy made a half-assed creepy sounding comment, and I was just clearing stuff up. I'm not even defending him. I'm just saying it isn't pedophilia, just creepy as heck.
tugboattomp · 1 points · Posted at 01:28:48 on June 18, 2018 · (Permalink)
With you I was just breaking your balls... You didn't come off anything like that. Sorry if I made it seem so.
But with the other guy I have only this to say:
In humor always lies a little bit of truth
FloopsMcGee · 1 points · Posted at 01:43:15 on June 18, 2018 · (Permalink)
Ah, I got it. It's all good.
tugboattomp · 1 points · Posted at 02:52:55 on June 18, 2018 · (Permalink)
We're all brothers here, looking out for others esp the children. That is our only responsibility in this world... children, women, elderly. We come last
[deleted] · 3 points · Posted at 20:25:47 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Dude, the age of consent in the ocean is 16, bro!
tugboattomp · 1 points · Posted at 22:44:01 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Then may a lobster chomp your nutz. Keep your hands an eyes off the children
[deleted] · -11 points · Posted at 14:16:42 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
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Stradocaster · 23 points · Posted at 14:34:58 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
This is not rotoscoping . They use the video of her for refefence.
thepixelpaint · 6 points · Posted at 14:38:45 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Though there is a technique called rotoscoping, in which the acting is essentially traced, that is not what is happening here. This live action footage is being used as reference. You can tell because the frames don’t match up exactly and Ariel’s proportions are very different and exaggerated than those of the actress.
Often times animators work in front of a mirror or take footage of themselves to use as reference too. Been going on since the early days of feature animation.
NikkoE82 · 3 points · Posted at 14:37:51 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
I don't believe this was actually rotoscoped. They didn't draw over the footage frame by frame. They just used it as a reference.
Dimwit0 · -6 points · Posted at 14:20:48 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Came here to say that.
tugboattomp · 0 points · Posted at 20:21:17 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Subliminal PsyOps brainwashing our kids.
My neice and nephew stand staring 2 feet from the screen when even just a ad for Frozen pops up on Tv.
Telling ya, they put some Dope in that shit
[deleted] · 0 points · Posted at 22:03:34 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Did they use a live action reference for the penis castle on the posters, too?
[deleted] · 0 points · Posted at 18:25:42 on June 19, 2018 · (Permalink)
Not very detailed
Odins-left-eye · -1 points · Posted at 15:11:42 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Early footage of Overly Attached Girlfriend?
[deleted] · -3 points · Posted at 18:20:34 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Also for masturbating to
chumley53 · 2 points · Posted at 19:21:14 on June 17, 2018 · (Permalink)
Oh wow