Ok, you can be a 'god damned man' - I'm going to sit over here and not self-incriminate myself in front of a police officer as I am afforded by the 5th amendment.

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B...b...but cops r bad n dey all gon com aftr mE

Any other way would promptly annoy and agitate the cop, admitting fault is part of being a responsible adult

FTFY, sans the sexist terminology.

Meh, don't push that "be a man" bologna.

However, I agree with the rest.

Yes, sucking cops dicks to not make them mad is how you should live your life.

It's a speeding ticket. Not a homicide charge.

I'd rather take a chance of getting out of the ticket on the spot then have to take a day off work and go to court to fight it and likely lose.

He was also speeding...which for most people who are not douchebags, is called being accountable for your actions.

Claiming innocence is going to get you a ticket. And you're unlikely to get out of it in court.

It doesn't matter if you admit guilt or not, the cop clocked you doing X and his testimony is good enough for a traffic ticket either way.

It seems like your best chance of getting out of a ticket is before it gets written. If this makes the cop less likely to write the ticket it might be worth any deniability you would lose. Also, what are you going to do, go to court and say that you were not speeding when you know damn well you were?

He admitted to speeding. Which he was doing. And the cop knew it and likely had the radar gun to prove it.

Classic example of being rewarded for being honest.

I've never lied to a cop. I've never spoke to them in any tone other than a humble, respectful one. And I've never gotten a ticket out of the dozen or so times I've been pulled over.

Except that one time that my license and registration had both expired three months prior... Had to ride the bus to the clerk's office to get everything renewed. Was almost physically assaulted by a 80+ year old man with a cane and fedora. Then missed my court date because I thought it was on Friday instead of Thursday, but they through it out anyway. I still have a clean record after 17 years of driving.

Do you really think that admitting of guilt, especially one that the cop has to testify that you said, is really going to mean anything? They don't need a signed confession for a speeding ticket, and they know this. The radar gun reading is more than enough guilt.

Dumbass

i know. it's better to say, i wasn't aware. that gives you an out later instead of relying on the mercy of the cop. he has a quota to fulfill too so you may not get out of it no matter what you do.

lets be honest here, If you get a speeding ticket you are just going to pay it rather than fight it in court. It's worth admitting fault if it might get you out of the ticket.

That would be hearsay and inadmissible if i remember correctly. Though for a speeding ticket probably would not come up.

Just admit it and pay the freakin' ticket. If you can't afford it then don't speed!

"Now remember kids: lawyers aren't for making sure everyone has equal representation, interpretation and knowledge of the law, they are for making sure you don't have to face the music for the bad thing you actually did, because you are better than everyone else and are above the law. That's why everyone loves them, especially the ones that get drunk drivers that kill people off scot free, because no one is responsible for their actions, except for politicians and police officers."

Best answer is "I want to speak to my attorney"

Where are you getting that idea? Police report violations, that's all. It's up to a judge to determine guilt even in events where guilt was admitted or implied on scene. I've had people admit to it and get out of the ticket in court. It's just a minor violation, not an arrest where rights need to be read.

The number of speed traps in upstate NY is too damn high. Seriously, they have 35 mph limits on numbered highways with two lanes in each direction in towns of 1000 people. Those hick towns must make so much goddamn money off of people going skiing or camping. Having speed limits that low in such sparsely populated areas should be illegal.

Southern hospitality I suppose. Although I am from louisiana, just not venice.

Yeah, I know that there are plenty of policemen that are jerks, or shady, but if you automatically go into super defensive mode with them over something small, they'll automatically go into their "by the book" mode as well. And that means a ticket. And let's be honest, most people don't fight the ticket they just pay it. If you fight it, how much time are you going to be investing in this process? It's better all around if you can just avoid it going on your record at all in the first place.

Close, but no cigar.

As a pretty white girl with several speeding tickets, back in the day... it doesn't work that way. Although they were from State Troopers and they kind of have to give you a ticket, so maybe I'm wrong.

As a black guy, I'm gonna go ahead and wait for him to ask me to move before I get my paperwork. And announce what I'm reaching for and where.

You could also be hiding things.

This is why I keep all those documents in an easily reachable envelope. Barely even have to move.

That's why I keep my documents in my sun visor

Or they think you are stashing drugs. I've had my car searched this way.

In that case I can just tell him my gun is in my holster on my right side. Should make him feel better.

My best friends dad is SWAT. This is what he always told me. My neighbor Highway Patrolman corroborated.

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Edit: sorry, i thought you were agreeing with me. Yea, he might think that briefly but when he walls up and sees your papers on the dash and your hands on the steering wheel he will know what's up.

*Original comment: Absolutely. "My license is in my wallet in my inside jacket pocket, Sir."

I agree completely. I keep my registration and insurance together in a little packet thingy. Easy to grab and pop up on the dash at any moment.

As a general rule of life, one should take off their sunglasses when talking to anyone in a situation where you should show respect or courtesy.

Sure. Extinguish cigarettes, turn music down....set the tone.

Like a one-legged man talking about ass-kicking contests...

Story checks out.

That isn't true. You don't waive your rights by shutting the car off.

I had a cop go completely Super Troopers on me once. He was coming from the other direction, careened his car into the median with his lights and pointed right out. So I pulled over. He came to my window and started cussing me like I just raped his daughter. I have no idea how fast I was going that day, but people were passing me so it couldn't have been too bad.

Anyway, I'm sure I was looking scared as hell, but I kept it together and was respectful as always. He ran my license and saw that I was squeaky clean and that I had a CDL. I had quit driving professionally, but he didn't know that. He asked if I knew how it would affect my livelihood if he wrote me a ticket. I said, "Yes, sir." He handed my license back and continued screaming and cussing at me.

Eventually, he stopped mid-sentence. He looked like he was so mad that he couldn't even talk anymore. Walked back to his car and drove off. He never told me I was free to go or anything, so I waited until he was out of sight before I drove off very slowly. lol

Didn't get a ticket, but definitely an abuse of power. I still have no idea why I was pulled over.

If you are being recorded and you admit guilt, it can be used on court if you try and fight the ticket. Never admit guilt.

I'm sorry, not that you necessarily feel that's okay (your comment didn't imply either opinion), but I vehemently disagree with anybody that says it's "okay" for a cop to have a bad day and have that influence his judgment insofar as the course of justice is concerned. If you are a cop, you are not allowed to have a "bad day" and let that influence the way you treat people, in my opinion. Period. With great power comes great responsibility and all of that.

It is absolutely not okay for a cop (who, yes, is Human after all) to have a bad day and at the same time let his mood affect decisions which could possibly alter the course of another human being's life. Absolutely unacceptable.

Cops - please remember that the tickets you write affect way more than just the wallet of the motorist relating to the cost of the ticket and any "surcharges" your state may apply. There are insurance premiums, possible license suspensions after not being able to afford the fine (for people who may have fallen on hard times and cannot live without a car - is public transport actually adequate in your jurisdiction?).

If you are a non-white driver, this really must be part of you calculus on deciding how to interact with police during a traffic stop. Not every officer is making assumptions based on race, but as a driver you have to consider what assumptions the officer is acting on. Living on a major highway from Mexico with a high volume of drug traffic, our officers are often pulling drivers over hoping for a drug bust. When they don't find anything, they write them minor tickets, like no driver's license (our state does not recognize Mexican driver's licenses as valid).

Only if the cop is white and is also a racist. Not all cops are bad.

Only if the cop is white.

I lost my license ones for speeding, doing 80mph on a 45 street. It was in the middle of the night and it had been a 70 street earlier. Stupid fuckup Sure as hell wasn't pissed at the cops, i deserved that shit.

I told them my story. They gave me a 600$ ticket but did not ticket me for my loose dog. With their recomendations i got my license back after only a month. Good guys

Deserved or not, no one wants that ticket. Being cautious as you speak to a police officer is not the mark of some shit head criminal or the mark of a perfect model of citizen. There's nothing wrong with knowing you rights and exercising them to force law enforcement to do its job and show you why you are guilty of x.

You need not volunteer information to not lie.

I agree completely. Admit what you did and they are a lot more likely to let you off with a warning.

I got pulled over for 90km/h in a 50 and could have had my car impounded and I admitted what I did. The cop let me off with a warning.

I ran a red light at 2 am with no cars in sight except the one behind me waiting. I was usually really good about telling the model of car by the shape of its headlights at the time, but I was wrong that night.

I got about half way through the light before he turned his lights on. Pulled me over on the other side. It was kinda funny.

"I know there were no cars coming, but ya can't do that..."

No ticket.

This. If you've been pulled over for speeding, then one of two things is true: you were speeding, or your weren't. If it's the latter, then there's no guilt to admit. If it's the former, then refusing to admit guilt will only help if you decide to challenge the ticket in court. And if you do challenge a ticket in court that you know you deserved, then all you're doing is wasting the time of the judge, clerks, and potentially the officer -all of whom are part of already over-extended legal system - just so your selfish ass can try to get out of facing the consequences of your actions.

Don't be a douche - if you speed and get caught, pay your ticket. If you can't afford to pay the ticket/increased premiums, don't speed.

Man, it won't be hard to control and oppress you people. I understand what you're saying, but let the police prove your wrongdoing.

Actually, speeding is a weird offense and I'd fight a ticket every. single. time. If everyone drove according to conditions, speed limits would be pointless (see German highways). So there's that.

agreed. this is the real power of law enforcement. there is some interpretation, some manipulation built into our legal system. these are decisions that should be decided in court legally, but the truth is they are not - they're settled right there, on the street. the tactic of never admitting guilt and sticking to your rights as a civilian takes the "sloppiness" out of the legal issue and forces those decisions to go to court for a decision. for me, it comes down to where do i want that decision to be made - in court by a judge, or on the street by a cop. depends on the consequences, i think.

Right, just like we should be putting people in prison for having half an ounce of pot because it's breaking the law and that's the punishment so they deserve it.

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I disagree. When Rosa Parks broke the law and sat in the white section of the bus, did she deserve the consequences? No, she didn't. Laws can be wrong. Now, I don't mean to imply that speeding is some noble thing on par with her actions. The only purpose of that example was to demonstrate that the premise "If you break the law, you deserve the consequences" is incorrect.

Most people think speeding laws as they currently exist are wrong (as you can see by the fact that most people speed). So framing it as "you don't deserve a ticket, but that a grumpy cop has the power to override that and stick it to you anyway" is actually pretty accurate, by most people's standards.

When I get pulled over for speeding, I'm not "assuming" I don't deserve a ticket. I know I don't deserve a ticket. Unfortunately, I live in a country where the law says I can be given one anyway. Oh well, no society is perfect.

You act like people don't change their demeanor when their lives might be in different situations from the time they joined the force...

That's bullshit.

I've got something in both of my eyes.

I almost did this because an ex girlfriend was nagging me. I stopped a couple feet into the intersection and avoided an accident though. She called her Mom to tell her the horrible thing I had done and her Mom asked her what she was doing to distract me.

I did that in the only accident I ever got in - bunch of teenagers in the car next to me were playing loud music and honking, and I looked over, and then the car to the left of me went and I took my foot off the brake. Hit the car in front of me (very slowly). Stupid, stupid accident. I only scratched the car ahead of me, luckily. And I think they lost my contact info because they called me once to tell me the cost of the bill to fix the scratch, and then never contacted me again to actually collect the money.

I was a delivery driver for a while and I wanted to yell that at about 80% of the cars on the road. Once passed someone sitting at a green light staring at the Mountain on a sunny day smoking a joint.

That all depends on whether or not he can hit you with a DWB.

Most likely but my middle name is Murphy and my second middle name is Law. I act awkward as fuck and cop would have been able to tell something was up.

I'm more awkward than the socially awkward penguin on a lubed up treadmill. The cop would have been able to tell something was up if I had known, not to mention the smell could have given us away pretty easily too, shits not usually that tightly packed around here, still fresh and smelly. Also was less aware of my rights at the time.

That sucks. My friend killed my car in the court parking lot. Had to wait 3 hours for a jump. I wanted to get outta there so bad.

read my response to /u/speedstix

Nope :)

read my response to /u/speedstix

When I was delivering there was a light next to the store that was notorious for this. Had to run it about 10 times after waiting for 3 minutes for what should have been an instant light, so that I wouldn't be late. A few times it turned green while I was already in the intersection.

1. Good luck with the chemo. (& Fuck cancer).

2. It's good to know that there are some humans working in the legal system.

No, I always pretty much expected to get at ticket when I was pulled over, which is why I would just cooperate and be truthful and polite. Seems like they would always find a way to cut you off or imply that you weren't telling the truth. And always the lecture...

In my experience, they usually make irritating snide comments while writing the citations, comments I'm sure those cowards wouldn't make if they weren't wearing their badges. If they were just doing their job they would simply inform me of my violation, write my citation and get on with their day.

4 in the past 10 years.

I'm not a lawyer, but I believe there was a Supreme Court case about this awhile ago. You do have to stop for the police, and stay to answer questions. You're not free to go simply because you're not under arrest. If they're just making you stand there to make you stand there, you might have a case against them later; if you just decide to leave because you're not under arrest, I imagine you'll be in a world of trouble.

makes sense, I guess I just assumed that he was pulled over during the day :)

You're new to this, aren't you?

Both times I've been pulled over for speeding there really was a lot on my mind (recent family deaths and such) but I panicked. Great advice.

Speaking of having a lot on your mind: First time I was pulled over I was racing home after getting my dick sucked at my girlfriend's house because my parents were about to be home and I was grounded. I tell the cop the truth for better or worse. I was doing like 25 over and I didn't even get a warning - just a "good luck and get the hell home".

I've always responded this way for the most part. I am always polite (even the one time I really wanted to chew the officer out), and respectful to them. Most are great people and I see no reason to treat them otherwise. I just wish I knew which ones weren't a part of the great people, it would help me to not be jumpy when I see a cop haha

They don't always already know. Most local police cars aren't equipped with radar speed guns and often don't have anything to tell your speed. In Ohio, a cop's professional judgment is enough to say you were speeding.

I've also heard it was to do with funding. If your department gives out half the tickets of the neighbouring city, you must only need half the cops and half the funding. So by pushing up ticket numbers, you get better funding. The same way my college raised acceptance numbers and packed classrooms for a few years before a big expansion to "prove" then needed it.

Question though - does a ticket fought and won by the driver get subtracted from your "performance evaluation"? If I get a stupid ticket for 5km/h over simply because it's "quota time" and I go to fight it, will the cop show up to make sure it sticks because otherwise it was a waste of time?

This! This is the problem with the police system at it's core. People don't like cops because they fear cops are out to "get them" and they are. Cops are no longer here to protect and serve but rather to protect, serve, and (more importantly) collect revenue. This is a travesty.

I personally admire cops, and anyone who puts themselves in the line of danger such as this for the sake of some one else's safety. But most of my buddies HATE cops, and it's only because they are being pressured to write tickets. Inevitably they're going to have to write a ticket or two for people they don't want to, but most people don't understand this because the question of quota is still a debate.

Either we fuck off the quota system, or be up front about it. The relationship of citizens and police officers needs to be rekindled.

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My station doesn't do that :O

Protect and Serve!

Wrong Wrong Wrong Wrong... My dad is a cop and yes they do have a quota but its not in writing tickets, They are required to pull a certain number of people over. My dad hardly wrights tickets unless they have a suspended license. Most of the cops don't write tickets hardly at all but there are always the 2 kiss ass guys that wright fucktons of tickets so they can get a promotion. This leads to the leadership in the department being weasly assholes while the good guys stay down low on totem pole because the assholes are now the ones that give promotions and they only promote the new assholes

Also called "missions"

What are the usual "quotas"?

Yes! In New Jersey this summer, they are creating a new rule that says state troopers are expected to pull someone over for speeding every 10-20 minutes! They said also are tripling ticket fees for many offenses, including speeding. How is this fair?

I didn't know about that statistic, it puts it into perspective.

That being said, since I drive with a radar/laser detector, it's impossible for me to get off on a mercy call, no matter how polite and respectful I am. The non-admission of guilt (or saying "sorry"), ticket, court, lawyers, it's just business as usual and I'm sure the cop sees it the same way, so I never take it personally either way.

8 MPH is 73 in a 65 zone. You will literally get run off of the left lane going any slower than that where I live, and doing 65 in the left lane is actually illegal if it impedes the flow of traffic.

No, not out to get me, just extremely unpleasant to encounter, that's all.

I don't know where you work. But I live in southern California. Here, there are posted speed limits which are complete fiction.

65 on the freeway? Other drivers would murder you. You'd probably be pulled over for blocking traffic. No one, literally not one person, obeys posted speed limits. They are completely irrelevant to the standard practices of the community.

Southern California freeways are the autobahn, with the one critical exception that if someone has a quota to fill, you can be targeted.

(Interestingly enough, I did a simulation project in college... wrote some software to emulate just what would happen if everyone obeyed the posted speed limits. Gridlock.)

Kind of like how a brain surgeon is everybody's best friend when they find out they have a brain tumour. The key difference is that when you're perfectly healthy, brain surgeons don't cut open and poke around inside your head to generate extra city revenue, to stop you from protesting or to get you to quit smoking pot.

Preventing drivers from endangering the lives of the populace (and even themselves) is a legitimate and valuable service, just as breaking up domestic disputes and other non-glamorous duties are. It's just that so much of the other stuff (including ticketing quotas) that cops do that earns the animosity and distrust.

If your job consisted of ONLY helping people, and that's what you did, no one would consider you a bad guy.

That your job provider has created a veritable monopoly on public security services does not absolve you of responsibility for the many ways in which you abrogate the rights of good, common people.

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Hey, it's fine. I'm no saint, and I've had my fair share of run-ins with the law, but I don't think they're all bad. Even though my experience has been probably 70% bad, and I've encountered some that really take the cake, I know that you and the other 30% are out there risking your lives to keep us civilians safe. And I respect that.

It's the ones that have to get a power trip going, for no reason at all, and I'm not talking about city PD or Hi-Po, more sheriffs deputies. All my encounters with city or highway have been professional. I know it's all personal experience, but one bad cop can sour a civilian's point of view of all police, and I try not to take that stance.

But thanks for being an active part of not just your social community, like here, but your local community, wherever you are. And I mean it when I say, stay safe. I have and currently have relatives in the force, so it goes both ways.

3edgy5me

Then drive off as fast as you can to show your dominance.

Do they have internet in cell block B?

I can see it now Cop: sir do you know how fast you were going? Hubby: no habla inglas Cop:yo habla espanol Hubby: sheet

I saw an episode of cops ages ago where there was a guy who was pretending to not speak English and to only speak Spanish while the cops were talking to him. He thought he'd get away with it until they brought in the translator, that's when he couldn't even make up words anymore and just stared like a deer in headlights.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jkCKxWblE4

"Я не говорю по-английски".

To be fair, people who don't speak English know that the dominant language spoken in America is English.

Someone that actually speaks Spanish would know that the "yo" is redundant though.

Fake a heart attack?

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Que means that? Can you use it in a sentence please. I'm honestly curious.

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Entiendo.

Whut.

Ive gotten 2 tickets in my life...both were in Irvine

Irvine is always lauded as "America's Safest City" largely because of a well-equipped police force. I would imagine they're well-equipped based on the amount of revenue they bring in from tickets.

Damn. I was out in gold country and I thought it was bad there. There were so many different speeds with speed zones that I kept forgetting what the speed limit was after the zones and what not.

Yep, I thought I'd see my city here. There's a zone near me that goes from 45 to 25 and back in one block and cops love staking it out.

Speed limits in residential places in irvine are usually around 55 though. Which is plenty fast for non highway roada

This right here is why the jurisdictions around me in Florida have $0 fines for going 1-5 mph over the limit. Cop can still technically write you a ticket but there's no fine unless you're at least 6 over.

Of course this leads to ticket fudging like you wouldn't BELIEVE. I got one in a 50 mph zone on the interstate once; the ticket was written up for 56 mph (6 over). The comments section said I'd been "clocked by laser at 50 mph (20 over)". The officer told me I'd been doing 70 (which is likely true, moving with every other car in that area). But the ticket itself listed three different speeds! I went to court over it and it was dismissed because the cop didn't show up, but I think I'd have gotten it tossed anyway.

To answer the OP's question, I replied when asked "the same as the other cars around me; I wasn't watching my speedometer because I was watching traffic." Obviously got a ticket anyway. There were half a dozen highway patrol cars pulling people over like fish in a barrel.

Shit I'm from Medford, too. At least it's not as strict as Medford Lakes...

See both scenarios you present are reasonable.

The thing though is that these areas don't really have a high volume of traffic and if they do its because of the bottleneck that occurs when everyone collectively decides to brake and slow down so they don't get caught

You're right that it isn't fair to stereotype these areas and that its wrong but it really is better safe than sorry.

Some of the small towns that do this get a huge chunk of money from the tickets they issue.

The cop didn't show up.

I have had 5 speeding tickets, all between the ages of 16 and 20. Ridiculous ones unfortunately. A quick drop from 55 to 30 at the edge of my home town; I was drifting slower before the cop tailed me with insanely bright lights at 2am (sped back up and switched lanes by accident, just thought he was a jackass). Got hit with a "rear radar gun" 1 block from my work going 5 over. Couple others. After the 5th I decided to put my cruise control on everywhere I go. Haven't had a ticket in years, but now I am a constant annoyance to my wife since it has been ingrained into me to not get another ticket.

asks why he would have the control set that high anyway

"I always figured that the speedo was set a bit higher than my actual speed. I guess it's more accurate than I thought it was."

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If you don't care about losing a $100+ then you have no reason not to.

I've heard a story where someone was going near double over so the cop jokingly asked for the person's pilot's license (because he was "flying down the road"). Needless to say, the pilot's license was shown.

Now if this isn't just an old wise-tale, the guy got off with a warning. Still seems to be too good to be true, but heh, might as well share.

I once offered the cop a doughnut. He laughed and let me go.

Mario Kart has taught me that no matter how far behind you are, you can always win if you are willing to lose all of your friends.

I heard this joke so many years ago, I was a child and didn't even understand it. Glad it's still around!

"Sir, could you please step into the car?"

I work at a school and usually hang out with the cops during their speed traps in the school zone. More than once has their gun not communicated to the computer which causes the readout to not print. They can just write in the number manually in that case.

One time I was lasered at 16 over the limit but the officer reduced it to 6 over. Would have sucked if the readout was printed on the ticket.

Either way, if you were polite when asking the officer, he was a complete douche

I would've asked for his badge number and looked into the specific local laws later.

Changes with locality, plus there's multiple modes on the radar that they could fuck you with, or simply "rely on experience"

Cops aren't there to protect you, they are there to protect The State. Always remember that. Yes, some are awesome, but a particular mindset tends to gravitate to that position...

I had the same thing happen to me only this officer called 3 other squad cars to the scene including the sergeant. Mind you this was over a speeding ticket in which we had asked for the radar reading. He proceeded to explain that they did not have to show us any proof of what he recorded as our speed. At this point he called the others in and upon their arrival proceeded to try and throw everything possible at us and try and get us taken in. Reckless endangerment and fleeing were the most notable (none of which occurred). I know this because we pulled the police records and dash cam footage for that occurrence and have his conversation with the sergeant and other officers all recorded (he wasn't so good with the mute on his mic). The only reason why we didnt go to jail that night and later the city being sued was the sergeant repeatedly telling that officer that we did not commit any arrestable infractions and could not do anything other than issue a speeding ticket.

TL:DR got a quarter of the police force called on us after requesting to see an officers radar reading.

In Santa Barbara County, California, the Highway Patrol is not obligated to show you the radar gun (at least that's what my lawyer friend explained). Many of them leave it on 'tracking' mode to look for changes to speed. Also, a visual estimation is acceptable (per the judge's instructions), so the radar speed is only 'confirmation'.

That officer's attitude was unnecessary and you should have contested the ticket on those grounds. However I just asked my cop brother about asking to see the radar readout, and he says that they don't have to show you. It could be an area issue like others have said.

I bet all that intense stuff made you give up on your request for a readout, though, huh?

Police officers know the law better than 95% of the people they interact with. It should come as no surprise that they're usually pretty good at circumventing it themselves when it suits their purposes.

Same thing happened to me, I was going 91 in a 65 and he wrote me up for doing 87. Still a $300 ticket but beats having my car impounded.

Friend of mine got caught doing 90 in a 40 (canada) which means it goes on your criminal record, I forget for what though. He pleaded the cop, so the cop gave him 49 over. He was the happiest man alive that day.

I'm not all that young, but still very dumb. I was doing about 120mph in a 70.

[Perfect weather...saw only a handful of other cars all morning...slowed to around 80-90 while I was around other traffic, I wasn't looking to get anyone else hurt...I've never caused or been involved in an accident after 13 years...I had some place to be.]

I saw him light up on the opposite side of the freeway and I was parked on the shoulder before he even got on my side. I think that helped my cause.

Reckless driving. Yep. I didn't deny it or try to weasel out of it. I was polite and answered all of his questions. "Way too fast" was my answer. He wrote the ticket for only 30mph over and overlooked the rest. It was still ~$500 and 6 points. My insurance more than doubled as well. I'm still a natural lead foot though. 70 just seems so slow to me.

This is often done for compliance rather than for pity. You can write a bunch of $100 tickets all day or you can arrest a guy and spend all day dealing with the paper work, while loosing lots of revenue.

By lowering the number people are less likely to fight the ticket in court. Cops are there for revenue not to punish you.

What doesn't piss cops off in Indiana?

I have no idea about cops here (MN), nor do I particularly ever want to. But I've heard reasonable and prudent or acting polite will get you off. Except this one city. There's one city here, that cops will pull you over for having too long of a penis practically.

theres even classes and i guess a certification for clockign speeders by eye (i know its a thing in Hawaii)

If you intend to dispute charges, you will get off with absolutely nothing if the cop can't provide proof he got YOU at X mph.

Proof being a log from the lidar gun.

It's an interesting thought, but then wouldn't you have to prove that your odometer is calibrated correctly?

What?