Remember, they initially wanted to rewrite the story too. To make in more inline with the WoW characterizations.
They dropped it hard after the hard backlash people had. Imagine now if they had gone through with it.
Jltwo ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 19:38:08 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
That's full bullshit. There wasn't any backlash from anyone aside from five randoms. Blizzard just used that excuse to drop the game into a half-assed shit.
There's plenty of evidence inside the game that they were half-way into doing changes to the story. And people complained a lot on the W3 subreddit that they DID want the story changes.
In any case, fuck game puritans. That type of people always ends up screwing things up for the rest.
I dunno. Blizzard did a pretty good job screwing it up for everyone all by themselves.
Jltwo ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:50:29 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
What i mean is that Blizzard wanted to drop the game with minimun investment, and that some random people on the internet were the perfect scapegoat for Blizzard to not pour any more money into the game, and it was a middle of the road decision.
There's many and weird changes to maps that don't add up to the idea the devs gave that they didn't want to change the story. They were half way on it and then they drop it, instead of never starting it as they claim.
It's possible. It sounded like they had some pretty grand ideas with that initial Blizzcon reveal. We can't know what happened internally, but they clearly just said "Fuck it we can't sink more money into this to match our vision" and pushed it out the door bugs and all.
First one is a good standalone movie. I'm not familiar with the video games though. The second movie though. . . I definitely don't talk about that one.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:53:59 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
I was mad someone that saw the movie knew Pyramidhead, even though canonically Heather doesn't meet Pyramidhead.
Not really. I would've preferred seeing Harry Mason going through hell and high water to save Cheryl on the big screen instead of a gender-swapped mish-mash of Silent Hill and Silent Hill 2 because the director found seeing a man scream and cry uncomfortable even though a talented creator could easily work around that. I mean, fathers can express fear for their children in different ways.
From what little I know about Silent Hill there's shit in there that would me cry period, let alone out of fear for a child. I dunno which game it's from, but the "father" figure that's a man half fused with a bed is the stuff of nightmares
It's really not though, per Eternal lore it's a continuation/ sequel and not really fit for this comparison. Interestingly enough, it was a soft reboot in 2016 but via Eternal's retcon it no longer falls into that category.
๐๏ธ henlp ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:56:38 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, but GoW4 is still a soft reboot in spite of being a blatant sequel. And furthermore, the gameplay in Doom 2016/Eternal is OBVIOUSLY not the same as the original. It is still rebooting the series, it's just not doing so to erase the previous titles from existence or to shit all over them.
There are degrees to these categories, and quality isn't inherent in one or the other.
No it doesn't. All it needs is more games (or movies or whatever) while mostly ignoring the previous. The new Modern Warfare is a reboot despite the overall aesthetic being the same as previous Modern Warfares. If an aesthetic change was required for something to be a reboot then pretty much nothing would be considered a reboot.
Megatics ยท 117 points ยท Posted at 17:51:17 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
FF7R was advertised in everyway to not reveal that it is actually a re-imagining of the original. All I can see is, why did they make so many excuses about the original game being too long to fit in a single game when they are adding fantastical elements (that would be considered fantastical in FF7) that change the focus from the original direction of the game? It annoys the hell out of me to think about it. All anyone wanted was the same game with nicer polish on it. Something to show the new generations a game style that still works.
Like, Square knew what fans wanted and chose to trick them anyway.
bejyyx ยท 53 points ยท Posted at 18:03:13 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Square seems to be a real basket case of a company. Less work, quicker and more popular move is to do a straight remake instead they mess with it as much as possible, really strange to me.
You could already see the cracks forming when one of the later trailers revealed a Jenova boss fight in Shinra HQ.
Creiz ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 19:26:29 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
You know what? I'm cool with the story changes. It's a game for a new generation, we already have the old story and its sequels and prequel, we're good. I'm all in for a "fresh new view" of FFVII. Bonus points if Zack and Aerith are OK. There was bound to be changes, anyways, because of the sheer format of the two games.
But this whole hiding it was a bit too "meta" for my tastes. They probably wanted to "surprise" the players with and have a huge "WTF OMG SO DEEP" reaction from everyone like we're all 15 years old.
I am of the opinion that they should have come clean, I mean, nobody really cares. At the end of the day, it's still mostly FFVII,
I'm in the same boat, but if they decide not to kill off Aeris I'll be upset
Creiz ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:15:33 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
All I'm saying is give us the option to save her. Although that probably will be too much work, I guess, to have her appear in cutscenes and give her actual meaningful dialogue, etc.
My official waifu is Tifa, of course. But I'm in the pro-Aerith camp, too. The woman didn't deserve to be done in like that.
I agree, but I guess that's the point. I wouldn't be too upset if Cait Sith was killed off, but liking Aeris is what made her death meaningful. But you're right, I wouldn't mind an option to change events (especially now learning that the whole thing is basically to change the past)
That part confused me so much as a kid. They had this heartfelt farewell scene and Cait Sith making a heroic sacrifice for the good of the world, everyone mourns him, then he just walks back on screen and says "just kidding I'm an immortal robot". I could see if the farewell scene was played for laughs after he came back, like "ha ha fooled you into thinking I could die", but to my memory that didn't happen.
It's like they wrote the death scene, then later realized that killing yet another character would be unfun from a gameplay perspective and undid it without caring that it totally shits all over the continuity.
If that was the case, Squeenix would've played FF7R straight instead of SUBVERTING EXPECTATIONS with a ludicrously meta plot about Time Jannies trying to stop Sephiroth from "remaking" canon to his liking. The fact that I have to spoiler this shit shows how off-the-rails this train goes.
Unless you've played the original game and watched Advent Children, how the fuck are newcomers supposed to know who this Zack guy is, or why the white-haired pretty boy with cat eyes has such a hate-boner for Cloud?
Creiz ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:39:03 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
No I agree. They should have played it straight. I even said it.
Well, the games are there. Anyone can go back and play them. FFVII is in every single thing that can display an image, Advent Children is on every streaming anime site and well, I admit Crisis Core and Dirge of Cerberus need to be updated.
To be honest I wouldn't be too thrilled if they redid the same exact game but just in higher poly.
The last game Squeenix tried to turn into a "multimedia experience" was Final Fantasy XV, and that shit bombed because no one wants to buy an anime box set, watch three CGI movies, and read two light novels just to understand a single game.
As well as time-gating shit that their audience can't play, or even access anymore like the Chocobo-Moogle Carnival and Episode Platinum, respectively.
Also don't forget SE focusing their money into FFXV-related projects that went absolutely nowhere, like a VR fishing game (Monster of the Deep), a mobile game that had most of the main cast but nothing at all to do with the main plot (A New Empire), and a simplified, unnecessary retread of the main story with dumbed-down SD graphics (Pocket Edition). If they shredded those 3 things and better pooled their resources generally instead of spreading themselves too thin on media from the get-go, I guarantee we'd be playing that last batch of DLC right now.
Square learned nothing from their previous bankruptcy that forced them to merge with Enix. People used to joke that the Final Fantasy VII remake would save SE should they get into another financial hole. Well, now they're burning that escape rope too.
Creiz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:55:09 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I wouldn't say that exactly. It bombed because of multiple factors, the lack of proper waifus being a massive one. Woohoo, Cindy. You see her literally twice.
Other factors include the over complicated plot, cheap cop outs, massive development times, and deceptions over deceptions.
People got burned from FFXIII. All that over-arching, over complicated bullshit writing with nonsensical made up words and the pushing of ugly waifus, I mean, they even increased lightning's cup size (a liiitle bit) in XIII-3 because people thought the fetish was too ugly.
Final Fantasy still works. Look at XIV. It's been going strong and getting stronger still. The stories are amazing. The meta is massive.
Look at Tactics and FFXII. Ivalice did work.
The newer FF bombed, well not really because lots of people liked it, but well, you know. They "bombed" because Nojima and Co. went full ham on the edge and chi chou ni bou thing, were middle schoolers think they're "Noting Personel, kid".
Weak, bro. I stopped by to see her at least forty billion times. Granted, I was also telling the car to drive itself and playing that Metroid game on the 3DS while cruisin'. Playing a vidya while I vidya was a unique experience
Aranea was purty gudd too
FFXV is the poster boy of wasted potential
Creiz ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:38:14 on April 8, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Aranea was purty gudd too
I forgot about her. Why she wasn't a permanent party member was beyond me.
Although I would've been pissed playing as her without any jiggles.
Shit, I'm still waiting for a titties mod for this game.
When in the FUCK did he even get fucking Time Travel powers? What orifice did that even come out of? I know it's been awhile since I played 7 but I'm PRETTY SURE he didn't have that shit before.
JJAB91 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 23:28:53 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
You know what? I'm cool with the story changes.
I'm not. People have not been waiting over 20 years for a "re-imagining". They wanted FFVII but looking better than ever. You know...a remake.
So fans who have been waiting 23 years for this only to get shafted, what of them? The "Just go play the old game" excuse is bullshit because if that was the case then no one would have wanted a REMAKE in the first place. If fans didn't want a proper remake then there would have been no demand for this game at all.
Creiz ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 23:33:53 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
You wanna play FF7 in high poly? The same turn based game, with the same quests, same thing?
Google FFVII Reunion+Remako.
Or you can wait a bit and hopefully someone will make a mod putting the HD characters in the old engine.
For the rest of us, there's the new game.
JJAB91 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 23:36:59 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
"Whats that? You wanted an actual remake and not a completely different story out of the game that was advertised as a remake and is literally called FFVII Remake? Go play something else then"
Creiz ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 23:44:50 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Remake. It's in the name. Remaking means "Making again".
Sometimes when you "remake" something, there are changes. That's life.
It's not called FFVII Remaster or FFVII "The same old thing but in Full 3D".
JJAB91 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 23:46:26 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Thats a load of bullshit. Remake means they are remaking FFVII, this is not FFVII this is an original story. No one was asking for an original story from this. People wanted FFVII.
Creiz ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 23:53:50 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
"People".
You and a few elitists are hardly "People". There's no pleasing you people, anyway.
Cloud didn't do exactly 3 steps east when entering that church in that cutscene?
"HOLY SHIT THAT GAME IS SO FUCKING TRASH I CAN'T BELIEVE THEY FUCKED IT UP SO BAD!"
i know it's true that some people are super purist and will complain about any changes in a remake, adaptation, etc, yes
but you still presented an extreme view there
and in this case, they marketed a game as a remake when it actually has a new story about parallel dimensions and time travel, which, even if some people get unreasonably upset about minor changes, seems like a pretty major change that it is reasonable to be upset about
Creiz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:21:37 on April 8, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
I can see your point of view. It's true, I might have come off a bit extreme. My apologies.
Although, personally, I don't see what the big deal is. I mean, I was already expecting changes, the game cannot be realistically remade exactly the same, with the exact same plot points by virtue of it being a completely different scope. I was expecting new side-quests, new subplots, new areas, etc. already, so I figure a new "overarching" plot to "tie-up" everything back together was a given.
I've seen people bitching from every aspect of the remake since it's inception. When I say bitching, I mean "outraged". Cloud's hair is not big enough. Barrett is not Black enough. The train is too long. Seemingly every little thing is an affront the holy Bible that is the 4 Discs of '97.
Seriously. We all know the original plot. I'm personally sick of it. So yeah, I welcome a fresh new take on it. New plot for a new game.
JJAB91 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 00:33:03 on April 8, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
I like how you think minor changes are somehow the same as CHANGING THE ENTIRE STORY.
Somehow wanting the story of a game's remake to be the same as the game its remaking is "elitist" to you. Get the fuck out of here.
Creiz ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:42:45 on April 8, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Alright. They changed the story.
So what?
You want Squeenix to go back and change the whole thing just for you? Because Mister is pissed about "Muh Story ain't the same"?
Though luck. FFVII story has been discussed to death and we know every nook and cranny about it. You can still drown in it if you so wish it.
JJAB91 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:20:38 on April 8, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
So what?
You do realize story is literally the main focus of FF games right?
You want Squeenix to go back and change the whole thing just for you? Because Mister is pissed about "Muh Story ain't the same"?
Or you know they could have just not changed it in the first place
So everyone these days is a literal moron and all they want to do is do microtransactions to make up for their pathetic existence as they grind their skinner boxes. Doesn't mean they have to ruin the legacy of FF7.
Just because humanity is descending into mediocrity doesn't mean I'm going to like it.
Funny, because JRPGs were lambasted in the 90s for being simplistic spoon fed baby toys by hardcore PC/tabletop RPG players. No permadeath? Plentiful healing items? Everyone can use magic? Wow, why not just skip right to the credits and skip the gameplay entirely?
Times change, and what you perceive as the objectively correct beginning of all things was a change in and of itself.
Also the fact that you lambasted grinding as if it's some new thing while discussing FF7 makes me wonder if you even remember the game, or just your rose colored nostalgia. Go get a golden chocobo and see how much of a "skinner box" the new game is.
Go get a golden chocobo and see how much of a "skinner box" the new game is.
I didn't know optional end game content was a requirement for oh wait it isn't.
Try harder.
keeleon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:59:28 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Like it seems like it will be a decent game however they pretty much removed everything I liked about FF7. Its so ADHD now. I didnt even really like when FF added the ATB system. It would be like "remaking" Uncharted as a tactical turn based puzzle game.
A Change is adding extra rooms and fleshing out dialogue so it makes more sense over some awkward dialogue and room placement in the original work. Essentially a kind of artistic refactoring of elements. What FF7R does is add a complete new focus to the plot that was originally simple to understand and had motivations that are not individual to any specific Ideal set.
๐๏ธ henlp ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 16:53:42 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Trying this again: a handy-dandy guide to the second go-arounds in entertainment (games as example).
My recent experience with remakes, reboots and adaptations can be summarized with this
[1], which I remembered thanks to that blue vase being a trigger.
[1]
๐๏ธ henlp ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:02:04 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
It fits.
kadivs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:28:33 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
this, at least for movies/tv (I don't play re-something often enough to judge)
This is the exact same reason that I get sad when there are rumors about a reboot/remake of a series I like, while everyone else seems excited.
So, what would a โremaster plusโ game like Spyro: Reignited Trilogy or Crash Bandicoot: N Sane Trilogy fall under?
๐๏ธ henlp ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:01:36 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
In the original source, someone brought up the N Sane Trilogy. The consensus would be that it's actually more of a Remake, since it's done from scratch based on the original(s).
gnbman ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:03:22 on April 8, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
I guess Spyro Reignited would be a plain gray cylindrical vase with a sippy cup lid on top. Has almost all the functionality of the originals, but without the artistry and with all the edges shaved off.
I don't know about that. I 100% the entire trilogy, and it's a net positive in my mind.
Nostalgia definitely helped accentuate my perception of the experience, but I honestly thought all the games looked fantastic with the new graphics, they ran smooth as all get out, and being able to play with the original music tracks was a huge plus.
gnbman ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:29:53 on April 8, 2020 ยท (Permalink)*
It was a good time, sure, but its visual identity was all over the place, which is pretty bad considering the game is an attempt to reintroduce a mascot platformer franchise. Since they only had a year to make three games, they had to scout ArtStation and DeviantArt to find concept artists and 3D modelers; thus, characters (and even locations sometimes) tend to look like they belong in different franchises from one another.
The voice acting is probably the biggest issue in Reignited. The line delivery of most characters is very samey, jokes fall flat, NPC personalities are lost, and the entire tone of the game feels much more safe and kiddie than the originals, despite the dialog being mostly the same. Two of the playable characters, Sheila and Bentley, look and sound like different characters now.
Second biggest issue (aside from the rampant glitches) might possibly be the sound effects. Mario and Sonic have kept their most iconic sounds throughout their games' lifetime because sound design is an integral part of their identity, and Crash got his back in N. Sane Trilogy as well. But Toys for Bob unwisely replaced almost all of Spyro's sounds with more realistic and subdued sounds that are much less memorable and satisfying.
There was also censorship. The machine guns were changed to Splatoon-like goo guns, and grenades and army helmets were changed to wood. The censorship is even inconsistent in some places, as blunderbusses are changed to slingshots in one level but not in another. And then there are harmless lines of dialog that were changed or removed, like a little girl humorously calling her brother "stupid and wearing an ugly shirt," and Moneybags taunting Spyro for not having enough gems by implying he spent his money to woo fauns.
Edit: Regarding the visual identity, the original PS1 trilogy had a clear, easily definable aesthetic: Colorful and zany, classic Warner Bros.-inspired character designs against painterly backdrops and watercolor-esque skys.
kiaway1 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:39:11 on April 8, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Crash is a low resolution vase with some spots on it, N Sane is a higher resolution vase with different spots on it.
Kord228 ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 17:24:41 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Very. The fanbase is currently in shambles apparently
lyra833 ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 18:17:38 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)*
They sound entitled. The egregious changes to the story and game mechanics coupled with false advertising based on nostalgia bait were clearly just an attempt to make the fantasy game more realistic.
Watch porn if you want to play the original FF7, jeez.
๐๏ธ henlp ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 18:21:50 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
This time there's no wiggle room and retarded excuses, because this shit is going down in spite of the Ethics Department. Pure unadulterated corporate fuckery, of a giant AAA company lying about a product.
lyra833 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 18:37:00 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
here's no wiggle room and retarded excuses
You underestimate how hard SJWโs defend corporate power.
๐๏ธ henlp ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 19:00:39 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not talking about SJWs. I'm talking about consoomers, regardless of political or ideological leanings.
lyra833 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:32:04 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Them too.
๐๏ธ henlp ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:45:56 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
They're worse, because they're the ones that allowed and continue to allow SJWs to run rampant and perpetuate the corporate-progressivist alliance that's ruining entertainment.
lyra833 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:18:49 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Theyโre quite often the same people.
๐๏ธ henlp ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:25:49 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
It's worse when they're not.
Kord228 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 18:35:10 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Ah yes, completely change the story while branding it as a remake, how ENTITLED.
Nah, people have every right to be mad with how long they waited for this.
lyra833 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 18:35:55 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs a joke about people defending the censorship Realistic Redesignโข of a certain character.
Kord228 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:36:40 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
I decided to Google it. Looks like they added a lot of content and changed the combat system. I think I'll like the new one better, but I can see why people would be upset with this change.
Kord228 ยท 69 points ยท Posted at 17:27:21 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
The combat and extra content isn't the issue.
It's the plot being changed.
Do some more googling. Nomura is pulling some KH3D shit in this.
๐๏ธ henlp ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 17:31:18 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
I'd even disagree with the plot being an issue, because if it had been labeled and marketed as what it is, sure, it would get a lot of shit and appropriate skepticism, but it wouldn't have been a FUCKING LIE.
Kord228 ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 17:32:36 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
I agree there, a reboot instead of a remake, but they didn't market it that way.
This game is apparently a sequel to Advent children, not what they promised.
๐๏ธ henlp ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 18:07:39 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Spoiler warning Sephiroth is time traveling to try and remake his destiny (that's where the tagline remake comes from). In the course of this game, you face entities that are trying to maintain the course of events and you, alongside Sephiroth, KILL them (effectively changing the events of the story permanently). Also, Zack survived his Last Stand in an alt timeline, and his seemingly crossing into this new one alongside another Cloud, with Aerith sensing him as he walks towards Midgar)
Was FF VII not already complicated enough? It's not crazy complicated but it certainly didn't need more bullshit thrown at it.
is Sephiroth a "good" guy in this game or are Cloud & Co. acting as unwitting pawns?
๐๏ธ henlp ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 19:13:31 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Both. Sephiroth is fighting the Whisperers and his clones in an attempt to alter his fate. In spite of his assistance, he's still bad because he's Sephiroth
This effectively means that one way they could go forward with this is having the actual plot of the original being the plot twist of the remake "see, he's actually bad because look at what happened and made him time travel and shit". This plot just gave me vibes of World of Final Fantasy, an otherwise enjoyable game, but god was the story absolute crap. This remake will just be generic jrpg plot #1348463829. Sigh...
๐๏ธ henlp ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:44:31 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
I've said it on another thread: they could RotJ it.
And I totally agree with the WoFF description: I fucking love that game, but it's a generic kiddie animu plot on top of a monster catcher game, and the payoff only really exists for people that have an investment in the Final Fantasy franchise. At least it has the only likable version of Lightning, so... credit where it's due.
Common, it'll be like Kingdom Hearts...only Final Fantasy VII!
anothga ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 18:12:13 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
In other words, it's an entirely different game. Fucking hell, does Square-Enix not know what the word "remake" means?
I find it ironic. /v/ complained about the game 24/7 and it did turn out to be bad at the end, just not exactly in the way they expected.
๐๏ธ henlp ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 18:14:13 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Clearly they do, otherwise they wouldn't have used it on the fucking title as false marketing to lie and swindle people by exploiting their hype for this game.
Yes. but Nomura the "genius" that he is decide to use term as a plot device (ala Time Travel) instead of doing a straight remake.
NLight7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:31:55 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Lol, did you see the Japanese government using weird words for the pandemic? Japanese people in general are really weird when it comes to English, I guess this is Nomuras big problem, he has no clue what the words coming from his mouth mean.
I am actually weirdly fine with this actually. Gives me a reason to play both versions to death. The again the only thing I dislike from all the FF7 stuff is Crisis Core and only because I think the combat with the damn slots mechanic is dumb as shit. Granted my favorite is FF is IV not VII so maybe I don't have the massive insane investment needed in the original VII to be super pissed off
๐๏ธ henlp ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:11:06 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, but the problem isn't the changes, it's the false advertising, misleading marketing, and abusing demonstrable hype by the FF7 fans to push this shit on false pretenses.
It's unquestionably an unethical and anti-consumer action. It is WORSE than Battlefront 2, and should not be rewarded. If you are unwilling to stand on principle against this bullshit, then at the very least wait for it to go on sale, or better yet, wait for Sony's retarded timed-exclusive is over so you can play it on PC with the added benefits of a cheaper price and mods.
My problem is several friends who have never played the original waiting to play this one. I already told them they'd be missing out by skipping OG, but now it sounds like they'll actually completely ruin their experience.
They're going to be confused as fuck with all the subverted expectations happening without knowing what the hell's being subverted.
sp8der ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:20:01 on April 8, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. My boyfriend agreed to give the remake a go as his very first FF game since I told him it was the series that pushed me down the jRPG rabbit hole.
I will be giving him a copy of actual FF7 instead, along with my apologies.
My PC sucks I preordered it long ago and I am bored as shit. Plus honestly I am not personally bothered enough by this to go through the annoyance of trying to fight Sony.
๐๏ธ henlp ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:44:31 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Okay. Then you are rewarding unethical behavior and you can't talk about anti-consumer bullshit in games and expect to be taken seriously. If not this, then nothing, and you might as well go perk up for EA and every other AAA company assraping this industry.
I have bought games from EA recently I bought Jedi Fallen Order this last fall. Look sorry my panties are not in as big a wad as yours are but cancelling a preorder with Sony is not fun and I just have better ways to use my time than a fight with Sony over $60 I spent months ago. If this were a physical preorder and we were not dealing with the commie cough spreading everywhere yeah maybe I would give more of a shit but to be blunt I have a busy annoying life more so with the virus spreading around so yeah I am not adding the stress of fighting with Sony for some moral crusade over $60 what is done is done I have already paid for it, it is preloaded before I heard about this and I am pretty sure I am going to love it hell I am still more upset about the sports bra and spats on Tifa than I am about this
vhiran ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:41:21 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
The game plays it mostly straight, but once it goes off the rails, it really goes off the rails. Also it expects you to know everything already, re: Zack and who he is, which was a mid-to-late game reveal in the original. You also immediately fight Sephiroth (the final boss of the original game) at the end, while really not knowing who he was. Then time travel/alternate dimension fuckery.
๐๏ธ henlp ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:37:26 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not a fan of FF7 either, that's probably why I'm so mirked by this shit. Because in spite of not liking the Squeeenix trend of killing turn-based combat, I could have still judged FF7R as was... but they are scumfucks lying and taking advantage of FF7 fans' hype, so they can get fucked.
n0rdic ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:11:54 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
My god, anything but DDD shit. That game's plot is such a fucking disaster that it singlehandedly ruined the franchise, with Ux being the only modern KH story thats remotely understandable. Half of it is retcons just because they wanted to bring all the old villains back and had to undo all of their deaths in a string of ass pulls that stretch believability so far it cant even be called a "reach". Even the lore introduced an hour beforehand gets retconned in it. Its fucking terribad.
If Tetsu is back to his shit writing in FFVIIR then I'm not interested in it at all (and tbf I was barely interested in it to begin with). Im fine with story changes, maybe incorporate some of the other FFVII game's lore into it. What im not fine with is Tetsu's "lol im super clever and smart" writing style that makes up shitty and unbelievable plot twists not because they actually had proper build up but because the audience isn't expecting them.
Kord228 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:39:07 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Remake is the subtitle of the game, not a descriptor of it being a remake. Let's leave it at that.
Honestly, the FFVII Remake is more akin to something like the Rebuild of Evangelion movies in terms of the approach taken. Personally, Iโm more intrigued by it now than before when I thought it was just a straight remake.
But yeah, I can see why some would be irked.
๐๏ธ henlp ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:26:14 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Except the Eva movies never builked themselves as "It's the same as the original, but prettier!", and aren't inserting some retarded time-travelling bullshit that makes them direct sequels to the previous content.
One prevailing theory is that the Rebuild films are in fact sequels to the original series. And it wasn't until the second film that the movies began to advertise themselves as being more than just a prettier upgrade of the show.
I do think that the FFVII Remake should have taken more strides to tell the fans that it was more of a stealth sequel to the original, I agree. But with that said, I'm still really looking forward to see where this new game goes in terms of direction.
๐๏ธ henlp ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:48:08 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Look, I get the complaints surrounding the whole situation, and agree that SE should've been a bit more transparent ( even if they didn't want to spoil things, a bit more clarification goes a long way). But even so, I'm still looking forward to it not out of brand loyalty or anything (FF is actually not one of my favorites), but simply because it looks like a fun and interesting game on its own merits. Heck, a lot of people have said that the gameplay and presentation are top notch, and the story, once you look past the misleading marketing, isn't half bad either (though one's tolerance for Nomura's favored tropes does come into play).
Again, I get why some aren't happy with all this. But for me, I'm more interested now than before, as I always enjoy seeing different interpretations and even stealth sequels provided that they are done well. While a 1:1 faithful retelling would've been awesome to have, I welcome other people's visions if they are done in an interesting and overall well done manner. The Remake, while not perfect (as it still requires more episodes), looks to be just fine, imo.
I might just feel blue from the confinement, but I'm genuinely feeling tired and depressed of the trend off long, highly anticipated games covered in vague or even straight disingenious marketing campaigns appealing to people's emotions/nostalgia to get them to buy something they otherwise would potentially not buy and then seeing the obvious controversy explosion everywhere. It's just tiresome.
๐๏ธ henlp ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:12:29 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
You and me both, dood. And with the latest contestant, people can't even weasel out of it by excusing censorship, it's straight up corporate assfuckery.
Filgaia ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:48:41 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
highly anticipated games covered in vague or even straight disingenious marketing campaigns appealing to people's emotions/nostalgia to get them to buy something they otherwise would potentially not buy and then seeing the obvious controversy explosion everywhere. It's just tiresome.
I clocked out of the FF VII remake when i saw the combat system. Iยดve been on the fence before with all the shit Square announced beforehand but this was the last straw. Iยดve been wanting a proper FF VII remake since the PS2 days since the first rumors started. This is not my FF VII! This is something for the hipsters who werenยดt there to make the series as big as it is today.
lyra833 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 18:42:16 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
I dropped it when I saw how Square responded to the Tifa controversy.
If youโre censoring a character, be honest. Fucking say โthe old design was sexually inappropriateโ, or โSony told us to nix itโ. Yeah, youโll start a flame war, but even people who are upset will be able to level with you. Instead, they vomited up a giant pile of word salad, made a vague reference to an โethics departmentโ that was never brought up before or since, and relied on Twitter nastiness and โheh gamersโ level shit from ERA to shield them from accountability and then hoped it would just blow over.
If thatโs how you respond to a minor controversy, something fucky is going on.
kadivs ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:32:31 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
I missed that because I had no interest in FF. Just looked up some images.. Is the controversy the undershirt or is there more?
lyra833 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:46:40 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Spats and sports bra, breast size reduced.
Response to questions was a simultaneous โno it didnโt happenโ and โgoodโ.
kadivs ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:00:16 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
spats = knee socks? never heard the word "spats" (not native english) and a search for it confused me a bit
lyra833 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:12:26 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Short skintight pants, usually worn during exercise. In video games, frequently added to charactersโ outfits that contain skirts to censor out inappropriate amounts of thigh.
I got slammed for saying I don't like this shit too. I didn't realize that there is a movement of people who want the old turn based system and those who prefer the modern systems. I was just sharing how I didn't like it and a dude rambled off a bunch of modern games, to which I responded none of them seemed interesting and then a bunch of people started bashing and downvoting me. I had no idea what was going on.
Filgaia ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:49:06 on April 8, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
. I didn't realize that there is a movement of people who want the old turn based system and those who prefer the modern systems. I was just sharing how I didn't like it and a dude rambled off a bunch of modern games,
Got that too. But you know what if Square isnยดt catering to my likenesses anymore i donยดt care. Honestly FF has gotten very shallow once Sakaguchi left, starting imo with the beloved FF X. Since X the games have more and more become vapid, going away from the formula that made the series big. But thatยดs ok! There are other studios like ATLUS and Nihon Falcom who cater to my interest (good old turn-based JRPGs). Those are the companies my money is going to now and i also support Square if they do a turn-based game (Octopath Traveler, World of Final Fantasy, Braverly Default Series, DragonQuest Series).
kiaway1 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:35:26 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
I don't like having the vase be stained and cracked in the original version, The Last of Us, Skyrim, Dark Souls, SOTC, Crash, Halo etc. are not fixed in any big way in their remasters/remakes, and have changes or straight up downgrades aesthetically. They rarely do much to amend flaws besides poor framerate, it's more like the starting point is the completely fine vase and then the re-whatever has that but in higher resolution/more detail. Not flaws per se but an improvement in technical presentation.
As-is the top two are absolute best case scenario (very rare) while the bottom is worst case scenario where half of the two examples don't even fit because RE2 isn't cracked and stained, and the remake/boot isn't a retarded misinterpretation. There are more effective ways of making fun of FFVII remake, like simply showing a scene with the time janny mystery niggas.
๐๏ธ henlp ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 18:11:52 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
I think you missed the point of the original vase being presented in this way. It is not to indicate that it's lesser, but that time has passed and it's been affected by it. This is particularly demonstrable in videogames, since, as technology develops and improves, some technical flaws due to either constraints or limitations are lifted, and these older titles might suffer while comparing them to newer games. It's not bad or good, it's just how it is. And that's what the remaster is about, attempting to preserve the original as was while bringing it to new platforms. You cannot possibly say that the flaws of older Final Fantasy games that have been remastered (10, 8, 9) were fixed after being ported.
kiaway1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:24:56 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
I see where you're coming from, though I disagree that quality of games changes over time due to technological restraints. If technology is limiting the quality then that's the case no matter when you play it. Pong is shallow and simplistic, doesn't matter that it was all that was possible with the technology, it is that now and it always was (imo ofc). If the framerate of a game is poor, like with SOTC and Dark Souls, then that was a flaw at the time and not something that has changed over time. The only way that games age to me is that standards rise, which you could say for Pong but not any of the others I mentioned (some are barely a generation apart). New = better is just something I can't agree with, unless you go to the very extremes.
๐๏ธ henlp ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:53:30 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
I did not mean it that way AT ALL. I'm talking about demonstrable flaws brought about due to limitations of its era when compared to newer entries that do not have those limitations.
Great fucking example: Golden Sun has one of the most retarded quality-of-life detractions in its combat, that if you target an enemy and it dies before that character can execute their attack, you lose a turn. It's asinine. Meanwhile, Regalia of Men and Monarchs, a more recent game, has some of the most ass-backwards optimization controls in its menus, in spite of being created for now. FF9 has terrible loading times and slow-ass game speed, which has not been altered in recent ports (that I'm aware of). You can clean that up, but it's very likely that no dev team is gonna bother to go into the game and reformat everything so that it's better optimized.
kiaway1 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:33:41 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure what point you're arguing, those examples seem to be in favor of games not aging and technology not having much influence on the quality.
kadivs ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:44:34 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
another example. Think back to some of the first 3D games. Some of those didn't have mouse support. You moved around and targeted using the keyboard. That is very much a sign of the game aging.
This is an extreme example, but when you replay older games, you often notice such things. It's not always technical limitations, sometimes it's just gameplay conventions that didn't exist back then and so on. Another example would be games that didn't allow you to rebind the keys and used the arrow keys instead of WASD. Or without going that far back, the lack of autosaves.
You may prefer the "old way" and that is fine, but most people would see such things as flaws, even if they weren't back when the game came out.
kiaway1 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:30:00 on April 8, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
I already covered that kind of thing with standards rising. Though Doom was intended to be played with mouse and keyboard once you get used to that, Romero has said he never played it with keyboard only. Besides, standards have not risen and made the original Dark Souls any more cracked or dirty in comparison to newer games. The performance was poor then and is poor now, NES games ran at 60 fps and the drops in Blighttown / Lost Izalith were never liked.
In addition to that, performance isn't everything and many of these remasters/remakes have made big changes that are not for the better and not in line with the original aesthetic and artistic vision, so portraying them as a strictly better, fixed version of the original is misleading.
๐๏ธ henlp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:37:22 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Golden Sun is as is. It has flaws that are there for it's time, those are the cracks. A remaster is you polishing the game to work on newer systems, and that's it. A remake is you reconstructing the game as is, but fixing the cracks, and maybe adding some extras. A reboot/reimagining/etc is you taking Golden Sun, making it a card game where you may or may not follow a similar plot as the original.
kiaway1 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:26:33 on April 8, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Well my original point stands then, many of the games mentioned do not fit that description. Dark Souls Remastered wasn't just polished up, they made it aesthetically worse. They didn't heal the cracks in SOTC, they completely changed parts of the aesthetic and even the procedural animations. It's still a best case scenario for the first two, while a worst case for the last one.
keeleon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:05:30 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
A vase that cracked due to age was most likely perfect when it was first made. The crack doesnt make it ugly, it just shows its age. People pay money to go see cracked pottery in museums.
kiaway1 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:36:31 on April 8, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
How did the game get worse over time? Dark Souls had performance issues on launch and continues to have them now, while the remaster undeniably fixes that, as well as mouse controls and such. Yet the remaster also fucks up the art direction and atmosphere of the game. The things that the remaster improves are flaws in the original product and not a product of the <10 years that have passed, while what it gets wrong isn't represented by the analogy at all.
For remakes/remasters that are good and bring it up to higher standards, showing the original pot as having aged doesn't make sense, and it should instead be that the new pot is higher resolution or something. A 256x256 pot might look good at the time but when we're used to 4k textures and such it's possible to bring it up to those more modern standards without fixing flaws nor making it worse.
keeleon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:36:05 on April 8, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Black Mesa is a reboot but bigger and made of solid gold
kadivs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:34:57 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
wasn't black mesa pretty much 1 to 1 Half Life? I only played it back when it was incomplete and still free, but it seemed more of a remake than a reboot to me
Somewhere in between, it was mostly 1:1 but they added dialogue in spots that were just loading areas in the original, they changed things like how the shotgun was introduced to be more engaging, and they totally redid Xen from the ground up in such a phenomenal way that filled in plotholes valve left
I would call that a proper remake. Take the old game, give it new, shiny graphics, and expand it to fix plot holes and throw off veterans with new content.
Another excellent remake was the first Resident Evil. So much so that it eclipses the original PS1 game and universally held to be the version to play.
You are wrong about reboots. Reboots are reusing an old name for new games: Doom, Thief, Prey, DmC, God of War(although it is a sequel...).
๐๏ธ henlp ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:04:17 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Okay. God of War 4 is not a reboot, it is a sequel, so it falls right out (I would even argue the same for Thief 4). Second, none of the examples you have fall off of the example provided: Prey and DmC both try to use the original for inspiration but are demonstrably distinct experiences; Doom 2016 is the same, since it is not just going point-for-point on what the original Doom was doing as a game (it doesn't imply quality). Third, the examples provided perfectly encapsulate the third category (Reboot/Reimagining), with RE2R being borderline and FF7R being a SEQUEL prenteding to be a remake of the original, while also Endgaming this shit to play with time travel.
In related news Saints Row 3 is getting a remaster... thatโs exclusive to the Epic Games Store. Go fuck yourself Deep Silver.
Why does SR3 get a full remaster, meanwhile SR2 is given to a modded and like 3 guys to just fix, SR3 was fine, SR2 needed the remaster treatment.
kadivs ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:52:24 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
cunts. But you can still play SR3 no problem, it doesn't look that bad.
SR2 was probably the first port I saw where the game speed was dependant on the CPU clock speed so much that if it differed at all from the original console, you're gonna lose all races. I thought I was going crazy because it wasn't that obvious outside of races until I found a clock speed fix and won the next race first try.
Anyone who says RE:2R is a borderline remake never played the original, doesn't know the series lore, and has questionable tastes. That last one is my opinion, the first two are factual.
๐๏ธ henlp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:11:13 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
FF7 Remake should have a cardboard cutout of the pretty vase with the blue abomination hiding behind it.
YU5AKU ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:37:22 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
I can remember it cause remastering in music production is taking the existing tracks and everything and mastering them anew with better technology. It's the same exact song and the same exact recordings except the audio quality is better due to better editing.
๐๏ธ henlp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:11:38 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
It's not, it's a sequel where Sephiroth is Endgaming it.
keeleon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:01:27 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Except FF7 looks like a ferrari now, not a pot.
๐๏ธ henlp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:10:40 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Except it's not FF7, it's FF7-2. In your analogy, you walk into the Ferrari, and it turns out it's their new eco-friendly alternative, the quad-seated bicycle.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:03:14 on April 8, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, RE2 2019 and RE3 2020 aren't really remakes. They're more like reboots. If they were remakes they'd be like REmake and stay true to their original counterparts. To me, it would be as if Super Mario Bros 3 was remade except that it was in 3D and the game was in first person.
Ah, I consider a "reboot" a cleaning of the slate in regards to lore and canon. Video games require more nuance in these terms than other mediums, because they are made up of narrative and interactive components, and you can keep the narrative while changing the way users interact with the game or its presentation and it brings up the question of what that is.
I call things like FF7R or RE2 "Retellings." They're covering approximately the same narrative ground, but the interactive element is different. Or, in other words, the way that the story is being told has changed.
๐๏ธ henlp ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:39:45 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
FF7R is not retelling, because it requires the other games to function. A retelling is also more in line with remakes, as emphasized by the soulless cashgrab live-action Disney remakes. They are retelling the original stories and remaking the same product. The third category would be them making Lion King a sentai movie, for example.
Well, I went and completely spoiled myself after all.
I donโt know what to think. Obviously this situation is 100% unethical. I can see that clearly now. I wonder if itโs better that I know this now rather than finding out at the end of the game though. Wish I had some time travel powers of my own now.
I feel betrayed. I was holding out and I spent the last hour fighting with myself about whether or not to completely spoil myself. I hate KH and thereโs no need to change anything in the original. I just donโt understand. I almost donโt want to play anymore now. Iโve been so stressed and anxious for the last month because Iโve been so excited to finally have my dreams come true, and itโs all been for nothing. All of it.
๐๏ธ henlp ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:40:25 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Look, I'm standing on principle and never getting this game. But you don't have to do that. Just wait for it to come out on PC, so you can flip off Squeeenix, stick it to Sony, get it for much cheaper and with the added benefit of mods.
Half of your points are under "remaster" and not "remake," even.
You know what? Fuck it. I don't care. I've had enough brain dead nonsense for the day. Argumentative dipshits too eager to be "right" than to comprehend what the fuck they're even saying never mind what they're reading and looking at.
It was never gonna succeed. They butchered just about everything they could from the original series, nobody was gonna accept that game with that title and those characters.
You're not the only one with that opinion. But, since I haven't heard anything about Capcom trying anything like that again, I'm fine with just ignoring it and leaving it in the past.
I bashed Capcom relentlessly for years about it. Then they released DMC5 so I stopped a bit, but I always make sure to remind people what a fucking travesty was their attempt at rebooting a franchise that didn't need it at all. To make it more appealing to the Western market nonetheless.
I feel like Capcom likes to troll every now and again.
Given Street Fighter x Tekken had MegaMan from one of the Western covers as part of the roster instead of the Blue Bomber, I'd say it was a joke stretched out.
I do try to not hold it against them unless I see the pattern forming.
This wasn't a troll. It's well documented. Capcom, because of that hack Inafune saying the Japanese game industry was in a crisis because it failed to appeal to Western gamers, outsourced the everliving hell out of most of their franchises to Western devs and proceeded to butcher most of their attempts at westernizing those franchises via specific directions to throw in the trash what made those franchises special. I don't hold it against Ninja Theory (though Antoniades and another guy there had absolutely no respect for the characters), because Capcom was the one that told them to distance themselves as much as possible from DMC to make that new abomination.
They might've gone back to their normal selves now, but I will forever remind them the time when they thought it was appropriate to destroy what made them giants, just to earn more money.
Depends on the extent of the reimagination. I'd say sometimes it's the same shape and different color, sometimes it's the same color and different shape, sometimes the handles are square, sometimes there's a different pattern on the vase and so on.
R&C 2016 changes the story in some aspects and mostly keeps artstyle, level design, characters, gameplay the same. RE2 Remake keeps the story the same (although it merges two storylines, IIRC) and completely changes the gameplay).
I consider both of those reimaginings (and no, RE2 being called a remake has no bearing on this just like Acti calling Crash and Spyro remasters doesn't change the fact that those are remakes).
I just want Ishin to the west. I don't care if the translation is less than accurate (as long as it isn't censored) because of the bakumatsu setting and the west being ignorant af in general about japanese history.
Reboot is wrong IMO. Reboot is taking the entire franchise and just starting over.
REMake and FF7 Remake are Remakes, not Reboots.
๐๏ธ henlp ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:59:59 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
FF7R isn't a remake, it's a sequel. That's why it's in the latter category of 'Reboot/Reimagining/Reborn', because it's pretending to be FF7 but it's actually FF7-2.
No, its telling the same story in a different way. Its a remake. A sequel is a continuation of the same story
๐๏ธ henlp ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:06:10 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
It is a direct continuation of the events in Advent Children. Sephiroth is Endgaming it up for the purpose of remaking his destiny. It does not exist without the previous game and expanded media content.
It IS a sequel. And it is an even more eggregious and unethical anti-consumer action than Battlefront 2.
So, Iโve been trying to avoid spoilers, and I appreciate all the spoiler tags, but ever since I saw the last trailer and what was undoubtedly someone using a Phoenix Down on Zack, Iโve been really fighting the urge to look up more. That said, I do want to be able to temper my expectations going in.
From where I sit, everything Iโve seen and heard from this game EXCEPT the ending (which I still donโt want to know any details about) seems to be an extremely faithful recreation of the original. The music is incredible, the gameplay in the demo was awesome, it looks like they kept everything and added a bunch of new stuff that people have been receiving well, so Iโm left here just wondering what that means for the rest of the series. Like, do you think thereโs a good chance that we still get to see the rest of the original story done as faithfully as the majority of this game has been? Or would they actually have the audacity to make 99% of this game identical to the original, completely flip it at the end, and then make two additional games with completely original plots and a brand new conclusion? Because thatโs whatโs so weird to me. If they were going in such a different direction, then why is so much of the game so faithful to the original still? I would think that no matter what they change, thereโs very little chance that they go too far off the path in the sequel(s) as far as pure content goes, even if they end up reimagining the themes and grand story arc, right?
Because I feel like Iโd still be interested in such a โreimaginingโ if thatโs what ends up happening. I can always just play the original if I prefer it.
๐๏ธ henlp ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:15:07 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
You're not going to see the rest of the original, the events of this game solidify that. And it's not a reimagining, it's a sequel.
Furthermore, the problem here stems from the false advertising and unethical marketing. If it had been titled FF7 R:Cloud, or FF7: Remake Fate, or FF7-2, it wouldn't have been a problem. But Squeeenix went out of their way to title this FF7Remake with the intended purpose of misleading their audience and take advantage of the inherent hype from FF7 fans, tricking everyone into thinking this was a remake of the original game, when it's nothing of the sort.
Well if they decided to call it that who am i to argue about it. I don't see it as a mistake because both developers/publishers decided it was fine.
Ussurin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:41:43 on April 8, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
I guess I have no arguments for someone who takes a person selling you stuff as gospel.
Have fun.
ivnwng ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:21:23 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
RE2 isnโt a remake???
๐๏ธ henlp ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:50:00 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
It's borderline, as the original creator of this image states, because it changes things from the ground up, but introduces a whole lot of things into the experience that were not there before, which in turn create a completely different experience.
This guide isn't about quality, keep in mind. Doom 2016 is a reboot/soft reboot sequel, and it's great.
keeleon ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:57:21 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think it was, Wind Waker HD was closer to a port/remaster to the original. It uses the same Wind Waker assets, just added in 16:9 support, higher resolution output and some enhanced lighting effects as well as making some fairly minor gameplay changes, namely cutting out some of the Triforce charts and pieces to make the later part of the game less of a grind and making it easier to finish the pictograph quest when it came to some one-time encounters.
So is P5R a remake or a โreimaginingโ? Also Skyrim Special Edition is less than a remaster, itโs just a graphics update, Last of Us at least had a UI cleaning and DMC:HD redid the music score
I havenโt played the final fantasy seven remake yet. Itโs not that bad is it? I mean they kept the cross-dressing cloud part of the game which I was more than certain they were going to take out in current year 2020.
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Rottkopf ยท 231 points ยท Posted at 17:09:39 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Need to add a poorly made clay ashtray at the end for "reforged"
๐๏ธ henlp ยท 77 points ยท Posted at 17:13:50 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
I'd say it needs to be a charred clay ashtray that's been pissed on. We have to account for Man-at-Arms: Reforged being fucked over as well.
FoxyTorryn ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 22:21:59 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
RIP Man at Arms: Reforged. I wondered what the hell happened to em!
๐๏ธ henlp ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 22:26:33 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Their network caved in on itself, refused to pay what all those channels were contracted to get, and there was a class-action lawsuit against it.
Shippoyasha ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 17:59:47 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
I'm still sad it turned out that bad when the Starcraft reskin turned out pretty good. No more soul left at new Blizzard
Calico_fox ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 18:58:03 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Remember, all the people that made Blizzard what it was are gone. (hell, even people who replaced them are jumping ship)
Rottkopf ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:13:15 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
It really is a damn shame too. I was looking forward to it since I played the hell out of WC 3.
Wolfeh2012 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:09:37 on April 8, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
It's the stupidest thing.
If they had just remade the game well, it would have made them money. Barely any effort involved. They already had all the assets.
They chose to intentionally fail - I don't understand it.
Adamrises ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:21:09 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Remember, they initially wanted to rewrite the story too. To make in more inline with the WoW characterizations.
They dropped it hard after the hard backlash people had. Imagine now if they had gone through with it.
Jltwo ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 19:38:08 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
That's full bullshit. There wasn't any backlash from anyone aside from five randoms. Blizzard just used that excuse to drop the game into a half-assed shit.
There's plenty of evidence inside the game that they were half-way into doing changes to the story. And people complained a lot on the W3 subreddit that they DID want the story changes.
In any case, fuck game puritans. That type of people always ends up screwing things up for the rest.
Letsgetacid ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:20:48 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno. Blizzard did a pretty good job screwing it up for everyone all by themselves.
Jltwo ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:50:29 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
What i mean is that Blizzard wanted to drop the game with minimun investment, and that some random people on the internet were the perfect scapegoat for Blizzard to not pour any more money into the game, and it was a middle of the road decision.
There's many and weird changes to maps that don't add up to the idea the devs gave that they didn't want to change the story. They were half way on it and then they drop it, instead of never starting it as they claim.
Letsgetacid ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:53:42 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
It's possible. It sounded like they had some pretty grand ideas with that initial Blizzcon reveal. We can't know what happened internally, but they clearly just said "Fuck it we can't sink more money into this to match our vision" and pushed it out the door bugs and all.
mewfour123412 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:53:10 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
The moment WoW does Blizzard dies with it
akafamilyfunny ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:30:06 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Sticker Star and Color Splash
SixtyFours ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 17:18:17 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
The Silent Hill HD Collection would be a broken vase
๐๏ธ henlp ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 17:28:06 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Would the movies be a picture of the vase someone took a dump on?
ShadowCory1101 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 19:04:36 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
First one is a good standalone movie. I'm not familiar with the video games though. The second movie though. . . I definitely don't talk about that one.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:53:59 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
I was mad someone that saw the movie knew Pyramidhead, even though canonically Heather doesn't meet Pyramidhead.
Keenin455 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:45:43 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Not really. I would've preferred seeing Harry Mason going through hell and high water to save Cheryl on the big screen instead of a gender-swapped mish-mash of Silent Hill and Silent Hill 2 because the director found seeing a man scream and cry uncomfortable even though a talented creator could easily work around that. I mean, fathers can express fear for their children in different ways.
AnonymousFH ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:08:19 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
From what little I know about Silent Hill there's shit in there that would me cry period, let alone out of fear for a child. I dunno which game it's from, but the "father" figure that's a man half fused with a bed is the stuff of nightmares
Watch_Plebbit_Die ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:59:50 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
It's more like that Potato Jesus painting.
Keenin455 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:41:33 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Broken?!
Shattered, more like it.
Ryanious ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 18:08:01 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
This is inaccurate, the reboot looks way too competently constructed
๐๏ธ henlp ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 18:13:25 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, Doom 2016 is a reboot.
BewareTheSuperman ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 18:22:10 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)*
Itโs not, though?
Itโs a stealth sequel with a rehash of the first gameโs plot.
Edit: Upon reflection, the term โsoft rebootโ does apply to the game, but itโs definitely not a hard reboot.
๐๏ธ henlp ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:03:34 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
The Doomslayer is not Doomguy, but they do not exist en tandem. The story of the original isn't part of the canon of the 2016 game.
freelancer799 ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 19:05:35 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Doom Slayer is Doom guy, they made that clear in Eternal
๐๏ธ henlp ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:07:48 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
If that's the case, then it's a soft reboot, like the chap above said.
C0untry_Blumpkin ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 19:52:16 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
It's really not though, per Eternal lore it's a continuation/ sequel and not really fit for this comparison. Interestingly enough, it was a soft reboot in 2016 but via Eternal's retcon it no longer falls into that category.
๐๏ธ henlp ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:56:38 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, but GoW4 is still a soft reboot in spite of being a blatant sequel. And furthermore, the gameplay in Doom 2016/Eternal is OBVIOUSLY not the same as the original. It is still rebooting the series, it's just not doing so to erase the previous titles from existence or to shit all over them.
There are degrees to these categories, and quality isn't inherent in one or the other.
sgloux3470 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:52:41 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs technically a sequel as of Doom Eternal.
The events of Doom 1, 2 and 64 are canon and took place prior to 2016/eternal.
lyra833 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 18:39:40 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
โRebootโ implies a change in aesthetic direction. Iโd use the term โrevivalโ.
waffleboardedburrito ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:43:55 on April 8, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Reboot is just a new continuity.
pornarella ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:16:20 on April 8, 2020 ยท (Permalink)*
No it doesn't. All it needs is more games (or movies or whatever) while mostly ignoring the previous. The new Modern Warfare is a reboot despite the overall aesthetic being the same as previous Modern Warfares. If an aesthetic change was required for something to be a reboot then pretty much nothing would be considered a reboot.
Megatics ยท 117 points ยท Posted at 17:51:17 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
FF7R was advertised in everyway to not reveal that it is actually a re-imagining of the original. All I can see is, why did they make so many excuses about the original game being too long to fit in a single game when they are adding fantastical elements (that would be considered fantastical in FF7) that change the focus from the original direction of the game? It annoys the hell out of me to think about it. All anyone wanted was the same game with nicer polish on it. Something to show the new generations a game style that still works.
Like, Square knew what fans wanted and chose to trick them anyway.
bejyyx ยท 53 points ยท Posted at 18:03:13 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Square seems to be a real basket case of a company. Less work, quicker and more popular move is to do a straight remake instead they mess with it as much as possible, really strange to me.
HallucinatoryBeing ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 20:37:36 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
You could already see the cracks forming when one of the later trailers revealed a Jenova boss fight in Shinra HQ.
Creiz ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 19:26:29 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
You know what? I'm cool with the story changes. It's a game for a new generation, we already have the old story and its sequels and prequel, we're good. I'm all in for a "fresh new view" of FFVII. Bonus points if Zack and Aerith are OK. There was bound to be changes, anyways, because of the sheer format of the two games.
But this whole hiding it was a bit too "meta" for my tastes. They probably wanted to "surprise" the players with and have a huge "WTF OMG SO DEEP" reaction from everyone like we're all 15 years old.
I am of the opinion that they should have come clean, I mean, nobody really cares. At the end of the day, it's still mostly FFVII,
vonDumpy ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 20:12:29 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
I'm in the same boat, but if they decide not to kill off Aeris I'll be upset
Creiz ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:15:33 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
All I'm saying is give us the option to save her. Although that probably will be too much work, I guess, to have her appear in cutscenes and give her actual meaningful dialogue, etc.
My official waifu is Tifa, of course. But I'm in the pro-Aerith camp, too. The woman didn't deserve to be done in like that.
vonDumpy ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:17:49 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
I agree, but I guess that's the point. I wouldn't be too upset if Cait Sith was killed off, but liking Aeris is what made her death meaningful. But you're right, I wouldn't mind an option to change events (especially now learning that the whole thing is basically to change the past)
CloudyPikachu ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:47:18 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Cait sith was killed off... And immediately replaced two seconds later.
The temple of the Ancients is the worst part of the game
Damderia ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:27:34 on April 8, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
That part confused me so much as a kid. They had this heartfelt farewell scene and Cait Sith making a heroic sacrifice for the good of the world, everyone mourns him, then he just walks back on screen and says "just kidding I'm an immortal robot". I could see if the farewell scene was played for laughs after he came back, like "ha ha fooled you into thinking I could die", but to my memory that didn't happen.
It's like they wrote the death scene, then later realized that killing yet another character would be unfun from a gameplay perspective and undid it without caring that it totally shits all over the continuity.
KrivenRaven ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:38:48 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Just allow players to keep her as a non-canon party member in New Game+.
WideEyedJackal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:24:36 on April 8, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't that break the game.... Who cast holy at the end?
Creiz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:33:37 on April 8, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Aerith. Except she'll have to get a better "holy" version or something.
HallucinatoryBeing ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 20:18:55 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)*
If that was the case, Squeenix would've played FF7R straight instead of SUBVERTING EXPECTATIONS with a ludicrously meta plot about Time Jannies trying to stop Sephiroth from "remaking" canon to his liking. The fact that I have to spoiler this shit shows how off-the-rails this train goes.
Unless you've played the original game and watched Advent Children, how the fuck are newcomers supposed to know who this Zack guy is, or why the white-haired pretty boy with cat eyes has such a hate-boner for Cloud?
Creiz ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:39:03 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
No I agree. They should have played it straight. I even said it.
Well, the games are there. Anyone can go back and play them. FFVII is in every single thing that can display an image, Advent Children is on every streaming anime site and well, I admit Crisis Core and Dirge of Cerberus need to be updated.
To be honest I wouldn't be too thrilled if they redid the same exact game but just in higher poly.
HallucinatoryBeing ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 20:43:43 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
The last game Squeenix tried to turn into a "multimedia experience" was Final Fantasy XV, and that shit bombed because no one wants to buy an anime box set, watch three CGI movies, and read two light novels just to understand a single game.
gamergaijin ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:56:37 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
As well as time-gating shit that their audience can't play, or even access anymore like the Chocobo-Moogle Carnival and Episode Platinum, respectively.
Also don't forget SE focusing their money into FFXV-related projects that went absolutely nowhere, like a VR fishing game (Monster of the Deep), a mobile game that had most of the main cast but nothing at all to do with the main plot (A New Empire), and a simplified, unnecessary retread of the main story with dumbed-down SD graphics (Pocket Edition). If they shredded those 3 things and better pooled their resources generally instead of spreading themselves too thin on media from the get-go, I guarantee we'd be playing that last batch of DLC right now.
HallucinatoryBeing ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:03:21 on April 8, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Square learned nothing from their previous bankruptcy that forced them to merge with Enix. People used to joke that the Final Fantasy VII remake would save SE should they get into another financial hole. Well, now they're burning that escape rope too.
Creiz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:55:09 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I wouldn't say that exactly. It bombed because of multiple factors, the lack of proper waifus being a massive one. Woohoo, Cindy. You see her literally twice.
Other factors include the over complicated plot, cheap cop outs, massive development times, and deceptions over deceptions.
People got burned from FFXIII. All that over-arching, over complicated bullshit writing with nonsensical made up words and the pushing of ugly waifus, I mean, they even increased lightning's cup size (a liiitle bit) in XIII-3 because people thought the fetish was too ugly.
Final Fantasy still works. Look at XIV. It's been going strong and getting stronger still. The stories are amazing. The meta is massive.
Look at Tactics and FFXII. Ivalice did work.
The newer FF bombed, well not really because lots of people liked it, but well, you know. They "bombed" because Nojima and Co. went full ham on the edge and chi chou ni bou thing, were middle schoolers think they're "Noting Personel, kid".
Far_Side_of_Forever ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:34:06 on April 8, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Weak, bro. I stopped by to see her at least forty billion times. Granted, I was also telling the car to drive itself and playing that Metroid game on the 3DS while cruisin'. Playing a vidya while I vidya was a unique experience
Aranea was purty gudd too
FFXV is the poster boy of wasted potential
Creiz ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:38:14 on April 8, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
I forgot about her. Why she wasn't a permanent party member was beyond me.
Although I would've been pissed playing as her without any jiggles.
Shit, I'm still waiting for a titties mod for this game.
katsuya_kaiba ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:27:20 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
When in the FUCK did he even get fucking Time Travel powers? What orifice did that even come out of? I know it's been awhile since I played 7 but I'm PRETTY SURE he didn't have that shit before.
JJAB91 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 23:28:53 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not. People have not been waiting over 20 years for a "re-imagining". They wanted FFVII but looking better than ever. You know...a remake.
So fans who have been waiting 23 years for this only to get shafted, what of them? The "Just go play the old game" excuse is bullshit because if that was the case then no one would have wanted a REMAKE in the first place. If fans didn't want a proper remake then there would have been no demand for this game at all.
Creiz ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 23:33:53 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
You wanna play FF7 in high poly? The same turn based game, with the same quests, same thing?
Google FFVII Reunion+Remako.
Or you can wait a bit and hopefully someone will make a mod putting the HD characters in the old engine.
For the rest of us, there's the new game.
JJAB91 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 23:36:59 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
"Whats that? You wanted an actual remake and not a completely different story out of the game that was advertised as a remake and is literally called FFVII Remake? Go play something else then"
Creiz ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 23:44:50 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Remake. It's in the name. Remaking means "Making again".
Sometimes when you "remake" something, there are changes. That's life.
It's not called FFVII Remaster or FFVII "The same old thing but in Full 3D".
JJAB91 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 23:46:26 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Thats a load of bullshit. Remake means they are remaking FFVII, this is not FFVII this is an original story. No one was asking for an original story from this. People wanted FFVII.
Creiz ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 23:53:50 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
"People".
You and a few elitists are hardly "People". There's no pleasing you people, anyway.
Cloud didn't do exactly 3 steps east when entering that church in that cutscene?
zachbrownies ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 00:06:16 on April 8, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
you are majorly strawmanning
"i'd prefer if the game was a remake and kept the same story"
"wow you complain about *any* change if it's not exactly the same, there's no pleasing you elitists, you wouldn't be happy about anything"
Creiz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:38:12 on April 8, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, here we go with the Argument Stopping Buzzwordsโข.
It's a valid "strawman", though. It's true. And you know that.
zachbrownies ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:09:14 on April 8, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
i know it's true that some people are super purist and will complain about any changes in a remake, adaptation, etc, yes
but you still presented an extreme view there
and in this case, they marketed a game as a remake when it actually has a new story about parallel dimensions and time travel, which, even if some people get unreasonably upset about minor changes, seems like a pretty major change that it is reasonable to be upset about
Creiz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:21:37 on April 8, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
I can see your point of view. It's true, I might have come off a bit extreme. My apologies.
Although, personally, I don't see what the big deal is. I mean, I was already expecting changes, the game cannot be realistically remade exactly the same, with the exact same plot points by virtue of it being a completely different scope. I was expecting new side-quests, new subplots, new areas, etc. already, so I figure a new "overarching" plot to "tie-up" everything back together was a given.
I've seen people bitching from every aspect of the remake since it's inception. When I say bitching, I mean "outraged". Cloud's hair is not big enough. Barrett is not Black enough. The train is too long. Seemingly every little thing is an affront the holy Bible that is the 4 Discs of '97.
Seriously. We all know the original plot. I'm personally sick of it. So yeah, I welcome a fresh new take on it. New plot for a new game.
JJAB91 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 00:33:03 on April 8, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
I like how you think minor changes are somehow the same as CHANGING THE ENTIRE STORY.
Somehow wanting the story of a game's remake to be the same as the game its remaking is "elitist" to you. Get the fuck out of here.
Creiz ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:42:45 on April 8, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Alright. They changed the story.
So what?
You want Squeenix to go back and change the whole thing just for you? Because Mister is pissed about "Muh Story ain't the same"?
Though luck. FFVII story has been discussed to death and we know every nook and cranny about it. You can still drown in it if you so wish it.
JJAB91 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:20:38 on April 8, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
You do realize story is literally the main focus of FF games right?
Or you know they could have just not changed it in the first place
KrivenRaven ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:37:48 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
They should just not call it "FF7: Remake" is all. Be honest about it. "Final Fantasy R: Cloud" would work fine.
CloudyPikachu ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:46:30 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
ok but I want to play as Cid
I want him to say the line about tea and I'll be happy
Creiz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:51:09 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
I really hope they don't fuck him up.
nogodafterall ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:55:57 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
A retarded game made for a retarded generation. Let's just "remake" all old games and make them inferior because it's now 2020.
Creiz ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:07:22 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
You're looking at this with pretty heavy nostalgia glasses.
A turn based RPG like FFVII wouldn't make a dent these days.
Hell, Dragon Quest XI is a massively high-profile game and it sold just shy of 4 million.
We all know how Squeenix views 4 million sales.
nogodafterall ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:14:55 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
So everyone these days is a literal moron and all they want to do is do microtransactions to make up for their pathetic existence as they grind their skinner boxes. Doesn't mean they have to ruin the legacy of FF7.
Just because humanity is descending into mediocrity doesn't mean I'm going to like it.
Damderia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:39:25 on April 8, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Funny, because JRPGs were lambasted in the 90s for being simplistic spoon fed baby toys by hardcore PC/tabletop RPG players. No permadeath? Plentiful healing items? Everyone can use magic? Wow, why not just skip right to the credits and skip the gameplay entirely?
Times change, and what you perceive as the objectively correct beginning of all things was a change in and of itself.
Also the fact that you lambasted grinding as if it's some new thing while discussing FF7 makes me wonder if you even remember the game, or just your rose colored nostalgia. Go get a golden chocobo and see how much of a "skinner box" the new game is.
nogodafterall ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:34:27 on April 9, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't know optional end game content was a requirement for oh wait it isn't.
Try harder.
keeleon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:59:28 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Like it seems like it will be a decent game however they pretty much removed everything I liked about FF7. Its so ADHD now. I didnt even really like when FF added the ATB system. It would be like "remaking" Uncharted as a tactical turn based puzzle game.
Bladeviper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:11:10 on April 8, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
They said as early as 2016 changes would happen, people ignore stuff they dont want to hear
Megatics ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:05:25 on April 8, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
A Change is adding extra rooms and fleshing out dialogue so it makes more sense over some awkward dialogue and room placement in the original work. Essentially a kind of artistic refactoring of elements. What FF7R does is add a complete new focus to the plot that was originally simple to understand and had motivations that are not individual to any specific Ideal set.
๐๏ธ henlp ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 16:53:42 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Trying this again: a handy-dandy guide to the second go-arounds in entertainment (games as example).
hulibuli ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 18:28:46 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
My recent experience with remakes, reboots and adaptations can be summarized with this
[1], which I remembered thanks to that blue vase being a trigger.[1]
๐๏ธ henlp ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:02:04 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
It fits.
kadivs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:28:33 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
this, at least for movies/tv (I don't play re-something often enough to judge)
This is the exact same reason that I get sad when there are rumors about a reboot/remake of a series I like, while everyone else seems excited.
Bacon_Kitteh9001 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:09:32 on April 8, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
lawl
BewareTheSuperman ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:28:51 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
So, what would a โremaster plusโ game like Spyro: Reignited Trilogy or Crash Bandicoot: N Sane Trilogy fall under?
๐๏ธ henlp ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:01:36 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
In the original source, someone brought up the N Sane Trilogy. The consensus would be that it's actually more of a Remake, since it's done from scratch based on the original(s).
Gr33nAlien ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:58:22 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Personally, I would call them remakes.
KrivenRaven ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:43:33 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Those are 100% remakes.
gnbman ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:03:22 on April 8, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
I guess Spyro Reignited would be a plain gray cylindrical vase with a sippy cup lid on top. Has almost all the functionality of the originals, but without the artistry and with all the edges shaved off.
BewareTheSuperman ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:12:50 on April 8, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know about that. I 100% the entire trilogy, and it's a net positive in my mind.
Nostalgia definitely helped accentuate my perception of the experience, but I honestly thought all the games looked fantastic with the new graphics, they ran smooth as all get out, and being able to play with the original music tracks was a huge plus.
gnbman ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:29:53 on April 8, 2020 ยท (Permalink)*
It was a good time, sure, but its visual identity was all over the place, which is pretty bad considering the game is an attempt to reintroduce a mascot platformer franchise. Since they only had a year to make three games, they had to scout ArtStation and DeviantArt to find concept artists and 3D modelers; thus, characters (and even locations sometimes) tend to look like they belong in different franchises from one another.
The voice acting is probably the biggest issue in Reignited. The line delivery of most characters is very samey, jokes fall flat, NPC personalities are lost, and the entire tone of the game feels much more safe and kiddie than the originals, despite the dialog being mostly the same. Two of the playable characters, Sheila and Bentley, look and sound like different characters now.
Second biggest issue (aside from the rampant glitches) might possibly be the sound effects. Mario and Sonic have kept their most iconic sounds throughout their games' lifetime because sound design is an integral part of their identity, and Crash got his back in N. Sane Trilogy as well. But Toys for Bob unwisely replaced almost all of Spyro's sounds with more realistic and subdued sounds that are much less memorable and satisfying.
There was also censorship. The machine guns were changed to Splatoon-like goo guns, and grenades and army helmets were changed to wood. The censorship is even inconsistent in some places, as blunderbusses are changed to slingshots in one level but not in another. And then there are harmless lines of dialog that were changed or removed, like a little girl humorously calling her brother "stupid and wearing an ugly shirt," and Moneybags taunting Spyro for not having enough gems by implying he spent his money to woo fauns.
Edit: Regarding the visual identity, the original PS1 trilogy had a clear, easily definable aesthetic: Colorful and zany, classic Warner Bros.-inspired character designs against painterly backdrops and watercolor-esque skys.
kiaway1 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:39:11 on April 8, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Crash is a low resolution vase with some spots on it, N Sane is a higher resolution vase with different spots on it.
Akesgeroth ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 17:21:52 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, how different is the FFVII remake?
Kord228 ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 17:24:41 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Very. The fanbase is currently in shambles apparently
lyra833 ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 18:17:38 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)*
They sound entitled. The egregious changes to the story and game mechanics coupled with false advertising based on nostalgia bait were clearly just an attempt to make the fantasy game more realistic.
Watch porn if you want to play the original FF7, jeez.
๐๏ธ henlp ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 18:21:50 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
This time there's no wiggle room and retarded excuses, because this shit is going down in spite of the Ethics Department. Pure unadulterated corporate fuckery, of a giant AAA company lying about a product.
lyra833 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 18:37:00 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
You underestimate how hard SJWโs defend corporate power.
๐๏ธ henlp ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 19:00:39 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not talking about SJWs. I'm talking about consoomers, regardless of political or ideological leanings.
lyra833 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:32:04 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Them too.
๐๏ธ henlp ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:45:56 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
They're worse, because they're the ones that allowed and continue to allow SJWs to run rampant and perpetuate the corporate-progressivist alliance that's ruining entertainment.
lyra833 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:18:49 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Theyโre quite often the same people.
๐๏ธ henlp ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:25:49 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
It's worse when they're not.
Kord228 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 18:35:10 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Ah yes, completely change the story while branding it as a remake, how ENTITLED.
Nah, people have every right to be mad with how long they waited for this.
lyra833 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 18:35:55 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs a joke about people defending the
censorshipRealistic Redesignโข of a certain character.Kord228 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:36:40 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, went over my head then.
Akesgeroth ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 17:26:12 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
I decided to Google it. Looks like they added a lot of content and changed the combat system. I think I'll like the new one better, but I can see why people would be upset with this change.
Kord228 ยท 69 points ยท Posted at 17:27:21 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
The combat and extra content isn't the issue.
It's the plot being changed.
Do some more googling. Nomura is pulling some KH3D shit in this.
๐๏ธ henlp ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 17:31:18 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
I'd even disagree with the plot being an issue, because if it had been labeled and marketed as what it is, sure, it would get a lot of shit and appropriate skepticism, but it wouldn't have been a FUCKING LIE.
Kord228 ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 17:32:36 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
I agree there, a reboot instead of a remake, but they didn't market it that way.
This game is apparently a sequel to Advent children, not what they promised.
I'm not a fan of FF7 but I do sympathize
GeorgiaNinja94 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 17:49:14 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
A sequel to Advent Children? How?
๐๏ธ henlp ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 18:07:39 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Spoiler warning Sephiroth is time traveling to try and remake his destiny (that's where the tagline remake comes from). In the course of this game, you face entities that are trying to maintain the course of events and you, alongside Sephiroth, KILL them (effectively changing the events of the story permanently). Also, Zack survived his Last Stand in an alt timeline, and his seemingly crossing into this new one alongside another Cloud, with Aerith sensing him as he walks towards Midgar)
AdminsAreCool ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 18:57:45 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Was FF VII not already complicated enough? It's not crazy complicated but it certainly didn't need more bullshit thrown at it.
is Sephiroth a "good" guy in this game or are Cloud & Co. acting as unwitting pawns?
๐๏ธ henlp ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 19:13:31 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Both. Sephiroth is fighting the Whisperers and his clones in an attempt to alter his fate. In spite of his assistance, he's still bad because he's Sephiroth
the_frickerman ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:39:11 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
This effectively means that one way they could go forward with this is having the actual plot of the original being the plot twist of the remake "see, he's actually bad because look at what happened and made him time travel and shit". This plot just gave me vibes of World of Final Fantasy, an otherwise enjoyable game, but god was the story absolute crap. This remake will just be generic jrpg plot #1348463829. Sigh...
๐๏ธ henlp ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:44:31 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
I've said it on another thread: they could RotJ it.
And I totally agree with the WoFF description: I fucking love that game, but it's a generic kiddie animu plot on top of a monster catcher game, and the payoff only really exists for people that have an investment in the Final Fantasy franchise. At least it has the only likable version of Lightning, so... credit where it's due.
AlseidesDD ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:54:07 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Da fuck, what about the leftover plot points from FF7:Crisis Core and FF7:Dirge of Cerberus
Where the fuck is Genesis Rhapsodos in all this
NLight7 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:34:05 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
New time line, we forget all the previous weird shit that makes no sense and start new shit that makes no sense
๐๏ธ henlp ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:09:13 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
STOP TUGGING AT THE MONKEY'S PAW!!
katsuya_kaiba ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:54:35 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Common, it'll be like Kingdom Hearts...only Final Fantasy VII!
anothga ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 18:12:13 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
In other words, it's an entirely different game. Fucking hell, does Square-Enix not know what the word "remake" means?
I find it ironic. /v/ complained about the game 24/7 and it did turn out to be bad at the end, just not exactly in the way they expected.
๐๏ธ henlp ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 18:14:13 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Clearly they do, otherwise they wouldn't have used it on the fucking title as false marketing to lie and swindle people by exploiting their hype for this game.
-SetsunaFSeiei- ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 18:29:56 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
/v/ always complains about everything so itโs not too surprising theyโre occasionally right
anothga ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:06:57 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Can't argue with that one, unfortunately.
Calico_fox ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 19:07:40 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. but Nomura the "genius" that he is decide to use term as a plot device (ala Time Travel) instead of doing a straight remake.
NLight7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:31:55 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Lol, did you see the Japanese government using weird words for the pandemic? Japanese people in general are really weird when it comes to English, I guess this is Nomuras big problem, he has no clue what the words coming from his mouth mean.
BioShock_Trigger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:41:52 on April 8, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit, are you serious? I don't know what to make of this game now.
dracoguardian30 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:58:56 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
I am actually weirdly fine with this actually. Gives me a reason to play both versions to death. The again the only thing I dislike from all the FF7 stuff is Crisis Core and only because I think the combat with the damn slots mechanic is dumb as shit. Granted my favorite is FF is IV not VII so maybe I don't have the massive insane investment needed in the original VII to be super pissed off
๐๏ธ henlp ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:11:06 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, but the problem isn't the changes, it's the false advertising, misleading marketing, and abusing demonstrable hype by the FF7 fans to push this shit on false pretenses.
It's unquestionably an unethical and anti-consumer action. It is WORSE than Battlefront 2, and should not be rewarded. If you are unwilling to stand on principle against this bullshit, then at the very least wait for it to go on sale, or better yet, wait for Sony's retarded timed-exclusive is over so you can play it on PC with the added benefits of a cheaper price and mods.
a21stcdb ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:24:28 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
My problem is several friends who have never played the original waiting to play this one. I already told them they'd be missing out by skipping OG, but now it sounds like they'll actually completely ruin their experience.
HallucinatoryBeing ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:24:19 on April 8, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
They're going to be confused as fuck with all the subverted expectations happening without knowing what the hell's being subverted.
sp8der ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:20:01 on April 8, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. My boyfriend agreed to give the remake a go as his very first FF game since I told him it was the series that pushed me down the jRPG rabbit hole.
I will be giving him a copy of actual FF7 instead, along with my apologies.
dracoguardian30 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:40:10 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
My PC sucks I preordered it long ago and I am bored as shit. Plus honestly I am not personally bothered enough by this to go through the annoyance of trying to fight Sony.
๐๏ธ henlp ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:44:31 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Okay. Then you are rewarding unethical behavior and you can't talk about anti-consumer bullshit in games and expect to be taken seriously. If not this, then nothing, and you might as well go perk up for EA and every other AAA company assraping this industry.
dracoguardian30 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:08:13 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
I have bought games from EA recently I bought Jedi Fallen Order this last fall. Look sorry my panties are not in as big a wad as yours are but cancelling a preorder with Sony is not fun and I just have better ways to use my time than a fight with Sony over $60 I spent months ago. If this were a physical preorder and we were not dealing with the commie cough spreading everywhere yeah maybe I would give more of a shit but to be blunt I have a busy annoying life more so with the virus spreading around so yeah I am not adding the stress of fighting with Sony for some moral crusade over $60 what is done is done I have already paid for it, it is preloaded before I heard about this and I am pretty sure I am going to love it hell I am still more upset about the sports bra and spats on Tifa than I am about this
vhiran ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:41:21 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
The game plays it mostly straight, but once it goes off the rails, it really goes off the rails. Also it expects you to know everything already, re: Zack and who he is, which was a mid-to-late game reveal in the original. You also immediately fight Sephiroth (the final boss of the original game) at the end, while really not knowing who he was. Then time travel/alternate dimension fuckery.
It's just messy.
The_Undertaker21 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:06:17 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
I'm curious with that too
๐๏ธ henlp ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:20:01 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/fwnypf/nerd_cult_guide_to_remastersremakesreboots/fmplb7g/ Here you go, a taste.
๐๏ธ henlp ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:37:26 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not a fan of FF7 either, that's probably why I'm so mirked by this shit. Because in spite of not liking the Squeeenix trend of killing turn-based combat, I could have still judged FF7R as was... but they are scumfucks lying and taking advantage of FF7 fans' hype, so they can get fucked.
The_Undertaker21 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:05:52 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, what?
n0rdic ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:11:54 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
My god, anything but DDD shit. That game's plot is such a fucking disaster that it singlehandedly ruined the franchise, with Ux being the only modern KH story thats remotely understandable. Half of it is retcons just because they wanted to bring all the old villains back and had to undo all of their deaths in a string of ass pulls that stretch believability so far it cant even be called a "reach". Even the lore introduced an hour beforehand gets retconned in it. Its fucking terribad.
If Tetsu is back to his shit writing in FFVIIR then I'm not interested in it at all (and tbf I was barely interested in it to begin with). Im fine with story changes, maybe incorporate some of the other FFVII game's lore into it. What im not fine with is Tetsu's "lol im super clever and smart" writing style that makes up shitty and unbelievable plot twists not because they actually had proper build up but because the audience isn't expecting them.
Kord228 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:39:07 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Remake is the subtitle of the game, not a descriptor of it being a remake. Let's leave it at that.
BioShock_Trigger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:39:33 on April 8, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think I'll be buying it, but I did enjoy the demo more than I expected. So there's that.
I'm still confused as to why they couldn't just do a simple visual upgrade for the game instead of putting in the effort for a complete overhaul.
๐๏ธ henlp ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:27:35 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
It's a sequel, not a remake. I can go on to say more if you wish.
Ghost5410 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:45:39 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Very different to the point where the fanbase wants Nomuraโs head based on rumor.
HallucinatoryBeing ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:46:48 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
It's not rumor, FF7R released early in Australia.
MasonTaylor22 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:47:00 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Needs an "SJW/Feminist Reboot"
Perfect pot --> Trash
๐๏ธ henlp ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:54:43 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Trash has some value.
LightDragonman1 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:20:59 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, the FFVII Remake is more akin to something like the Rebuild of Evangelion movies in terms of the approach taken. Personally, Iโm more intrigued by it now than before when I thought it was just a straight remake.
But yeah, I can see why some would be irked.
๐๏ธ henlp ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:26:14 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Except the Eva movies never builked themselves as "It's the same as the original, but prettier!", and aren't inserting some retarded time-travelling bullshit that makes them direct sequels to the previous content.
LightDragonman1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:45:06 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
One prevailing theory is that the Rebuild films are in fact sequels to the original series. And it wasn't until the second film that the movies began to advertise themselves as being more than just a prettier upgrade of the show.
I do think that the FFVII Remake should have taken more strides to tell the fans that it was more of a stealth sequel to the original, I agree. But with that said, I'm still really looking forward to see where this new game goes in terms of direction.
๐๏ธ henlp ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:48:08 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Consoome if you want.
LightDragonman1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:57:29 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Well that's quite a respectful way to respond.
Look, I get the complaints surrounding the whole situation, and agree that SE should've been a bit more transparent ( even if they didn't want to spoil things, a bit more clarification goes a long way). But even so, I'm still looking forward to it not out of brand loyalty or anything (FF is actually not one of my favorites), but simply because it looks like a fun and interesting game on its own merits. Heck, a lot of people have said that the gameplay and presentation are top notch, and the story, once you look past the misleading marketing, isn't half bad either (though one's tolerance for Nomura's favored tropes does come into play).
Again, I get why some aren't happy with all this. But for me, I'm more interested now than before, as I always enjoy seeing different interpretations and even stealth sequels provided that they are done well. While a 1:1 faithful retelling would've been awesome to have, I welcome other people's visions if they are done in an interesting and overall well done manner. The Remake, while not perfect (as it still requires more episodes), looks to be just fine, imo.
the_frickerman ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 17:10:51 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
I might just feel blue from the confinement, but I'm genuinely feeling tired and depressed of the trend off long, highly anticipated games covered in vague or even straight disingenious marketing campaigns appealing to people's emotions/nostalgia to get them to buy something they otherwise would potentially not buy and then seeing the obvious controversy explosion everywhere. It's just tiresome.
๐๏ธ henlp ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:12:29 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
You and me both, dood. And with the latest contestant, people can't even weasel out of it by excusing censorship, it's straight up corporate assfuckery.
Filgaia ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:48:41 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
I clocked out of the FF VII remake when i saw the combat system. Iยดve been on the fence before with all the shit Square announced beforehand but this was the last straw. Iยดve been wanting a proper FF VII remake since the PS2 days since the first rumors started. This is not my FF VII! This is something for the hipsters who werenยดt there to make the series as big as it is today.
lyra833 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 18:42:16 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
I dropped it when I saw how Square responded to the Tifa controversy.
If youโre censoring a character, be honest. Fucking say โthe old design was sexually inappropriateโ, or โSony told us to nix itโ. Yeah, youโll start a flame war, but even people who are upset will be able to level with you. Instead, they vomited up a giant pile of word salad, made a vague reference to an โethics departmentโ that was never brought up before or since, and relied on Twitter nastiness and โheh gamersโ level shit from ERA to shield them from accountability and then hoped it would just blow over.
If thatโs how you respond to a minor controversy, something fucky is going on.
kadivs ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:32:31 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
I missed that because I had no interest in FF. Just looked up some images.. Is the controversy the undershirt or is there more?
lyra833 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:46:40 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Spats and sports bra, breast size reduced.
Response to questions was a simultaneous โno it didnโt happenโ and โgoodโ.
kadivs ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:00:16 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
spats = knee socks? never heard the word "spats" (not native english) and a search for it confused me a bit
lyra833 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:12:26 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Short skintight pants, usually worn during exercise. In video games, frequently added to charactersโ outfits that contain skirts to censor out inappropriate amounts of thigh.
insanemetal187 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:28:01 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
I got slammed for saying I don't like this shit too. I didn't realize that there is a movement of people who want the old turn based system and those who prefer the modern systems. I was just sharing how I didn't like it and a dude rambled off a bunch of modern games, to which I responded none of them seemed interesting and then a bunch of people started bashing and downvoting me. I had no idea what was going on.
Filgaia ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:49:06 on April 8, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Got that too. But you know what if Square isnยดt catering to my likenesses anymore i donยดt care. Honestly FF has gotten very shallow once Sakaguchi left, starting imo with the beloved FF X. Since X the games have more and more become vapid, going away from the formula that made the series big. But thatยดs ok! There are other studios like ATLUS and Nihon Falcom who cater to my interest (good old turn-based JRPGs). Those are the companies my money is going to now and i also support Square if they do a turn-based game (Octopath Traveler, World of Final Fantasy, Braverly Default Series, DragonQuest Series).
kiaway1 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:35:26 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
I don't like having the vase be stained and cracked in the original version, The Last of Us, Skyrim, Dark Souls, SOTC, Crash, Halo etc. are not fixed in any big way in their remasters/remakes, and have changes or straight up downgrades aesthetically. They rarely do much to amend flaws besides poor framerate, it's more like the starting point is the completely fine vase and then the re-whatever has that but in higher resolution/more detail. Not flaws per se but an improvement in technical presentation.
As-is the top two are absolute best case scenario (very rare) while the bottom is worst case scenario where half of the two examples don't even fit because RE2 isn't cracked and stained, and the remake/boot isn't a retarded misinterpretation. There are more effective ways of making fun of FFVII remake, like simply showing a scene with the time janny mystery niggas.
๐๏ธ henlp ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 18:11:52 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
I think you missed the point of the original vase being presented in this way. It is not to indicate that it's lesser, but that time has passed and it's been affected by it. This is particularly demonstrable in videogames, since, as technology develops and improves, some technical flaws due to either constraints or limitations are lifted, and these older titles might suffer while comparing them to newer games. It's not bad or good, it's just how it is. And that's what the remaster is about, attempting to preserve the original as was while bringing it to new platforms. You cannot possibly say that the flaws of older Final Fantasy games that have been remastered (10, 8, 9) were fixed after being ported.
kiaway1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:24:56 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
I see where you're coming from, though I disagree that quality of games changes over time due to technological restraints. If technology is limiting the quality then that's the case no matter when you play it. Pong is shallow and simplistic, doesn't matter that it was all that was possible with the technology, it is that now and it always was (imo ofc). If the framerate of a game is poor, like with SOTC and Dark Souls, then that was a flaw at the time and not something that has changed over time. The only way that games age to me is that standards rise, which you could say for Pong but not any of the others I mentioned (some are barely a generation apart). New = better is just something I can't agree with, unless you go to the very extremes.
๐๏ธ henlp ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:53:30 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
I did not mean it that way AT ALL. I'm talking about demonstrable flaws brought about due to limitations of its era when compared to newer entries that do not have those limitations.
Great fucking example: Golden Sun has one of the most retarded quality-of-life detractions in its combat, that if you target an enemy and it dies before that character can execute their attack, you lose a turn. It's asinine. Meanwhile, Regalia of Men and Monarchs, a more recent game, has some of the most ass-backwards optimization controls in its menus, in spite of being created for now. FF9 has terrible loading times and slow-ass game speed, which has not been altered in recent ports (that I'm aware of). You can clean that up, but it's very likely that no dev team is gonna bother to go into the game and reformat everything so that it's better optimized.
kiaway1 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:33:41 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure what point you're arguing, those examples seem to be in favor of games not aging and technology not having much influence on the quality.
kadivs ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:44:34 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
another example. Think back to some of the first 3D games. Some of those didn't have mouse support. You moved around and targeted using the keyboard. That is very much a sign of the game aging.
This is an extreme example, but when you replay older games, you often notice such things. It's not always technical limitations, sometimes it's just gameplay conventions that didn't exist back then and so on. Another example would be games that didn't allow you to rebind the keys and used the arrow keys instead of WASD. Or without going that far back, the lack of autosaves.
You may prefer the "old way" and that is fine, but most people would see such things as flaws, even if they weren't back when the game came out.
kiaway1 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:30:00 on April 8, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
I already covered that kind of thing with standards rising. Though Doom was intended to be played with mouse and keyboard once you get used to that, Romero has said he never played it with keyboard only. Besides, standards have not risen and made the original Dark Souls any more cracked or dirty in comparison to newer games. The performance was poor then and is poor now, NES games ran at 60 fps and the drops in Blighttown / Lost Izalith were never liked.
In addition to that, performance isn't everything and many of these remasters/remakes have made big changes that are not for the better and not in line with the original aesthetic and artistic vision, so portraying them as a strictly better, fixed version of the original is misleading.
๐๏ธ henlp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:37:22 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Golden Sun is as is. It has flaws that are there for it's time, those are the cracks. A remaster is you polishing the game to work on newer systems, and that's it. A remake is you reconstructing the game as is, but fixing the cracks, and maybe adding some extras. A reboot/reimagining/etc is you taking Golden Sun, making it a card game where you may or may not follow a similar plot as the original.
kiaway1 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:26:33 on April 8, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Well my original point stands then, many of the games mentioned do not fit that description. Dark Souls Remastered wasn't just polished up, they made it aesthetically worse. They didn't heal the cracks in SOTC, they completely changed parts of the aesthetic and even the procedural animations. It's still a best case scenario for the first two, while a worst case for the last one.
keeleon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:05:30 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
A vase that cracked due to age was most likely perfect when it was first made. The crack doesnt make it ugly, it just shows its age. People pay money to go see cracked pottery in museums.
kiaway1 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:36:31 on April 8, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
How did the game get worse over time? Dark Souls had performance issues on launch and continues to have them now, while the remaster undeniably fixes that, as well as mouse controls and such. Yet the remaster also fucks up the art direction and atmosphere of the game. The things that the remaster improves are flaws in the original product and not a product of the <10 years that have passed, while what it gets wrong isn't represented by the analogy at all.
For remakes/remasters that are good and bring it up to higher standards, showing the original pot as having aged doesn't make sense, and it should instead be that the new pot is higher resolution or something. A 256x256 pot might look good at the time but when we're used to 4k textures and such it's possible to bring it up to those more modern standards without fixing flaws nor making it worse.
keeleon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:36:05 on April 8, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
By becoming old and outdated.
Arizonaman5304 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:33:39 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for mentioning Xenoblade!
๐๏ธ henlp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:45:18 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Not I, can't link to the original creator on Twitter due to sub rules.
ThatDamnDragon ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:43:50 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Black Mesa is a reboot but bigger and made of solid gold
kadivs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:34:57 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
wasn't black mesa pretty much 1 to 1 Half Life? I only played it back when it was incomplete and still free, but it seemed more of a remake than a reboot to me
ThatDamnDragon ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:10:55 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Somewhere in between, it was mostly 1:1 but they added dialogue in spots that were just loading areas in the original, they changed things like how the shotgun was introduced to be more engaging, and they totally redid Xen from the ground up in such a phenomenal way that filled in plotholes valve left
HallucinatoryBeing ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:58:15 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
I would call that a proper remake. Take the old game, give it new, shiny graphics, and expand it to fix plot holes and throw off veterans with new content.
Another excellent remake was the first Resident Evil. So much so that it eclipses the original PS1 game and universally held to be the version to play.
TheGamingElitist ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:38:45 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
You are wrong about reboots. Reboots are reusing an old name for new games: Doom, Thief, Prey, DmC, God of War(although it is a sequel...).
๐๏ธ henlp ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:04:17 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Okay. God of War 4 is not a reboot, it is a sequel, so it falls right out (I would even argue the same for Thief 4). Second, none of the examples you have fall off of the example provided: Prey and DmC both try to use the original for inspiration but are demonstrably distinct experiences; Doom 2016 is the same, since it is not just going point-for-point on what the original Doom was doing as a game (it doesn't imply quality). Third, the examples provided perfectly encapsulate the third category (Reboot/Reimagining), with RE2R being borderline and FF7R being a SEQUEL prenteding to be a remake of the original, while also Endgaming this shit to play with time travel.
Bacon_Kitteh9001 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:12:44 on April 8, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Thief? I think you mean Thi4f
Jhawk163 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:15:04 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
In related news Saints Row 3 is getting a remaster... thatโs exclusive to the Epic Games Store. Go fuck yourself Deep Silver.
Why does SR3 get a full remaster, meanwhile SR2 is given to a modded and like 3 guys to just fix, SR3 was fine, SR2 needed the remaster treatment.
kadivs ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:52:24 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
cunts. But you can still play SR3 no problem, it doesn't look that bad.
SR2 was probably the first port I saw where the game speed was dependant on the CPU clock speed so much that if it differed at all from the original console, you're gonna lose all races. I thought I was going crazy because it wasn't that obvious outside of races until I found a clock speed fix and won the next race first try.
a21stcdb ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:35:54 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Broken PC port aside, SR2 still beats SR3 by a mile.
kadivs ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:14:56 on April 8, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
I liked them both, preferred 3 tho.
Too bad they overdid it with 4. Not that it wasn't fun, but "superhero simulator" is not really what I wanted
Chucanoris ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:21:52 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Where would you put something like black mesa?
๐๏ธ henlp ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:26:53 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm... I think fan remake?
Nevek_Green ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:56:23 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone who says RE:2R is a borderline remake never played the original, doesn't know the series lore, and has questionable tastes. That last one is my opinion, the first two are factual.
๐๏ธ henlp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:11:13 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Borderline reboot.
Ethos711 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:23:00 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
FF7 Remake should have a cardboard cutout of the pretty vase with the blue abomination hiding behind it.
YU5AKU ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:37:22 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
I can remember it cause remastering in music production is taking the existing tracks and everything and mastering them anew with better technology. It's the same exact song and the same exact recordings except the audio quality is better due to better editing.
Sandylocks2412 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:48:49 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
How is 7 a reimagining?
๐๏ธ henlp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:11:38 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
It's not, it's a sequel where Sephiroth is Endgaming it.
keeleon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:01:27 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Except FF7 looks like a ferrari now, not a pot.
๐๏ธ henlp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:10:40 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Except it's not FF7, it's FF7-2. In your analogy, you walk into the Ferrari, and it turns out it's their new eco-friendly alternative, the quad-seated bicycle.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:03:14 on April 8, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, RE2 2019 and RE3 2020 aren't really remakes. They're more like reboots. If they were remakes they'd be like REmake and stay true to their original counterparts. To me, it would be as if Super Mario Bros 3 was remade except that it was in 3D and the game was in first person.
KrivenRaven ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:34:01 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, I consider a "reboot" a cleaning of the slate in regards to lore and canon. Video games require more nuance in these terms than other mediums, because they are made up of narrative and interactive components, and you can keep the narrative while changing the way users interact with the game or its presentation and it brings up the question of what that is.
I call things like FF7R or RE2 "Retellings." They're covering approximately the same narrative ground, but the interactive element is different. Or, in other words, the way that the story is being told has changed.
๐๏ธ henlp ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:39:45 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
FF7R is not retelling, because it requires the other games to function. A retelling is also more in line with remakes, as emphasized by the soulless cashgrab live-action Disney remakes. They are retelling the original stories and remaking the same product. The third category would be them making Lion King a sentai movie, for example.
BueKojiro ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:33:36 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I went and completely spoiled myself after all.
I donโt know what to think. Obviously this situation is 100% unethical. I can see that clearly now. I wonder if itโs better that I know this now rather than finding out at the end of the game though. Wish I had some time travel powers of my own now.
I feel betrayed. I was holding out and I spent the last hour fighting with myself about whether or not to completely spoil myself. I hate KH and thereโs no need to change anything in the original. I just donโt understand. I almost donโt want to play anymore now. Iโve been so stressed and anxious for the last month because Iโve been so excited to finally have my dreams come true, and itโs all been for nothing. All of it.
๐๏ธ henlp ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:40:25 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Look, I'm standing on principle and never getting this game. But you don't have to do that. Just wait for it to come out on PC, so you can flip off Squeeenix, stick it to Sony, get it for much cheaper and with the added benefit of mods.
BueKojiro ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:44:21 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Oh my god, imagine if someone just mods out all the Whispers of Fate and mods out the entire ending. I would laugh so hard.
I think I might still get it, but man Iโm going to be so conflicted the whole time.
sp8der ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:23:52 on April 8, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
This is built in UE4, yeah?
I'm proficient. I'm down to mod it if it comes out on PC.
BueKojiro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:25:02 on April 8, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Please do. If you ever start a project, Iโd love to follow any updates.
๐๏ธ henlp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:47:20 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Do not be in a rush to reward unethical practices. Don't be a consoomer.
Combustibles ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:27:15 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Then there's the perfect game being HD remade but nothing is changed at all aside from the graphics getting slightly better - Okami. All hail Okami.
KrivenRaven ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:45:26 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
That isn't just a port running at a higher resolution?
Combustibles ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:10:09 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
And Shadow of the Colossus mentioned in the OP isn't? Same with Devil May Cry HD, The Last of Us Remastered etc.
KrivenRaven ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:20:01 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Where did I agree with the graphic?
Half of your points are under "remaster" and not "remake," even.
You know what? Fuck it. I don't care. I've had enough brain dead nonsense for the day. Argumentative dipshits too eager to be "right" than to comprehend what the fuck they're even saying never mind what they're reading and looking at.
Combustibles ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:01:04 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
k then.
๐๏ธ henlp ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:02:15 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Best dog.
Ryan64DD ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:14:35 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for this! I see people using these three terms interchangeably and it bugs me.
๐๏ธ henlp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:16:24 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't come up with it, but I couldn't link to the original creator due to the rules about Twitter nobodies.
I do agree that we need to set a demonstrable standard, and this image represents that very well.
nybx4life ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:38:30 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Would British Dante count as a reboot to Devil May Cry?
๐๏ธ henlp ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:44:58 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
A failed reboot is still a reboot, I'd say.
nybx4life ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:49:23 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
I don't recall sales numbers, but given it's been abandoned and DMC5 has original Dante, it can be seen as a failure.
Valtekken ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:04:18 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
It's still a reboot, just one that failed to result in a new timeline/series.
astalavista114 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:19:44 on April 8, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
c/f Terminators Salvation, Genisys, and Dark Fate.
Valtekken ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:46:08 on April 8, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Movies are different, but yeah
nybx4life ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:06:39 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
I'm glad that's been figured out.
Valtekken ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:08:08 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
It was never gonna succeed. They butchered just about everything they could from the original series, nobody was gonna accept that game with that title and those characters.
nybx4life ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:11:02 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
It's weird...I feel like they tried too much, yet not enough, to make that one.
It tried to abandon it's roots, just to return to it. At least gameplay was alright.
Valtekken ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:12:00 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like they shouldn't have tried at all. And gameplay was utter trash, because it was 30fps AND terribly dumbed down compared to DMC3 or 4.
nybx4life ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:14:42 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
You're not the only one with that opinion. But, since I haven't heard anything about Capcom trying anything like that again, I'm fine with just ignoring it and leaving it in the past.
Valtekken ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:17:36 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
I bashed Capcom relentlessly for years about it. Then they released DMC5 so I stopped a bit, but I always make sure to remind people what a fucking travesty was their attempt at rebooting a franchise that didn't need it at all. To make it more appealing to the Western market nonetheless.
nybx4life ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:21:41 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like Capcom likes to troll every now and again.
Given Street Fighter x Tekken had MegaMan from one of the Western covers as part of the roster instead of the Blue Bomber, I'd say it was a joke stretched out.
I do try to not hold it against them unless I see the pattern forming.
Valtekken ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:31:55 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
This wasn't a troll. It's well documented. Capcom, because of that hack Inafune saying the Japanese game industry was in a crisis because it failed to appeal to Western gamers, outsourced the everliving hell out of most of their franchises to Western devs and proceeded to butcher most of their attempts at westernizing those franchises via specific directions to throw in the trash what made those franchises special. I don't hold it against Ninja Theory (though Antoniades and another guy there had absolutely no respect for the characters), because Capcom was the one that told them to distance themselves as much as possible from DMC to make that new abomination.
They might've gone back to their normal selves now, but I will forever remind them the time when they thought it was appropriate to destroy what made them giants, just to earn more money.
Valtekken ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:03:11 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Almost correct. Reimagining is a half-step between a reboot and a remake.
Tiavor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:49:19 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
same form of the vase but in blue?
Valtekken ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:56:37 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Depends on the extent of the reimagination. I'd say sometimes it's the same shape and different color, sometimes it's the same color and different shape, sometimes the handles are square, sometimes there's a different pattern on the vase and so on.
R&C 2016 changes the story in some aspects and mostly keeps artstyle, level design, characters, gameplay the same. RE2 Remake keeps the story the same (although it merges two storylines, IIRC) and completely changes the gameplay).
I consider both of those reimaginings (and no, RE2 being called a remake has no bearing on this just like Acti calling Crash and Spyro remasters doesn't change the fact that those are remakes).
Bacon_Kitteh9001 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:16:54 on April 8, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
The music equivalent would be Remaster, Remix, and Re-recorded. Well, only if the majority of remasters and remixes weren't loudness war trash.
humanoid_synth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:48:47 on April 8, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Zelda link's awakening too
jlenoconel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:54:50 on April 8, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
I'm OK with reimaginings if done properly e.g. the TV series Wentworth.
CrankyDClown ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:17 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Still hoping for Yakuza 3-6 to hit PC.
Come on Japan, you can do it.
Combustibles ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:54:30 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
I just want Ishin to the west. I don't care if the translation is less than accurate (as long as it isn't censored) because of the bakumatsu setting and the west being ignorant af in general about japanese history.
I just want Ishin
๐๏ธ henlp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:27:05 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Give them time. They have to deal with Wuhan Wuhatchoo at the moment.
buddyparker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:41:00 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
So the Final Fantasy 7 remake is actually Final Destination 7
๐๏ธ henlp ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:06:27 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
There's at least two more games (intended) to follow, so...
kadivs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:24:32 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
How do you title things like Metro 2033/last light redux where its a remaster but often looks worse than the original?
๐๏ธ henlp ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:30:46 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
A failed remaster?
mattcruise ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:43:16 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Reboot is wrong IMO. Reboot is taking the entire franchise and just starting over.
REMake and FF7 Remake are Remakes, not Reboots.
๐๏ธ henlp ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:59:59 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
FF7R isn't a remake, it's a sequel. That's why it's in the latter category of 'Reboot/Reimagining/Reborn', because it's pretending to be FF7 but it's actually FF7-2.
mattcruise ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:03:00 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
No, its telling the same story in a different way. Its a remake. A sequel is a continuation of the same story
๐๏ธ henlp ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:06:10 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
It is a direct continuation of the events in Advent Children. Sephiroth is Endgaming it up for the purpose of remaking his destiny. It does not exist without the previous game and expanded media content.
It IS a sequel. And it is an even more eggregious and unethical anti-consumer action than Battlefront 2.
BueKojiro ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:45:53 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
So, Iโve been trying to avoid spoilers, and I appreciate all the spoiler tags, but ever since I saw the last trailer and what was undoubtedly someone using a Phoenix Down on Zack, Iโve been really fighting the urge to look up more. That said, I do want to be able to temper my expectations going in.
From where I sit, everything Iโve seen and heard from this game EXCEPT the ending (which I still donโt want to know any details about) seems to be an extremely faithful recreation of the original. The music is incredible, the gameplay in the demo was awesome, it looks like they kept everything and added a bunch of new stuff that people have been receiving well, so Iโm left here just wondering what that means for the rest of the series. Like, do you think thereโs a good chance that we still get to see the rest of the original story done as faithfully as the majority of this game has been? Or would they actually have the audacity to make 99% of this game identical to the original, completely flip it at the end, and then make two additional games with completely original plots and a brand new conclusion? Because thatโs whatโs so weird to me. If they were going in such a different direction, then why is so much of the game so faithful to the original still? I would think that no matter what they change, thereโs very little chance that they go too far off the path in the sequel(s) as far as pure content goes, even if they end up reimagining the themes and grand story arc, right?
Because I feel like Iโd still be interested in such a โreimaginingโ if thatโs what ends up happening. I can always just play the original if I prefer it.
๐๏ธ henlp ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:15:07 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
You're not going to see the rest of the original, the events of this game solidify that. And it's not a reimagining, it's a sequel.
Furthermore, the problem here stems from the false advertising and unethical marketing. If it had been titled FF7 R:Cloud, or FF7: Remake Fate, or FF7-2, it wouldn't have been a problem. But Squeeenix went out of their way to title this FF7Remake with the intended purpose of misleading their audience and take advantage of the inherent hype from FF7 fans, tricking everyone into thinking this was a remake of the original game, when it's nothing of the sort.
secretgamerX ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:24:14 on April 8, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
So do we just ignore the FF7 "Remake" title name?
Ussurin ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:33:18 on April 8, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, as it's false.
secretgamerX ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:30:52 on April 8, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Yet, they decided is a remake
Ussurin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:34:38 on April 8, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
If they say it's tower defense game, you will believe it blindly too? A mistake of developers/publishers doesn't change defibitions of words.
secretgamerX ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:40:52 on April 8, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Well if they decided to call it that who am i to argue about it. I don't see it as a mistake because both developers/publishers decided it was fine.
Ussurin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:41:43 on April 8, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
I guess I have no arguments for someone who takes a person selling you stuff as gospel.
Have fun.
ivnwng ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:21:23 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
RE2 isnโt a remake???
๐๏ธ henlp ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:50:00 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
It's borderline, as the original creator of this image states, because it changes things from the ground up, but introduces a whole lot of things into the experience that were not there before, which in turn create a completely different experience.
This guide isn't about quality, keep in mind. Doom 2016 is a reboot/soft reboot sequel, and it's great.
keeleon ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:57:21 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
So what is Starcraft Cartooned?
Temp549302 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:27:52 on April 8, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
A reskin.
Taco_Bell-kun ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:33:52 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
So by this, I'm guessing that The Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker HD is a remake, while Twilight Princess HD is a port.
๐๏ธ henlp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:41:15 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
The latter certainly. The former I'm not sure. If it was completely done from the ground up like Ocarina and MM 3D, then yes.
Supernova1138 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:45:55 on April 7, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think it was, Wind Waker HD was closer to a port/remaster to the original. It uses the same Wind Waker assets, just added in 16:9 support, higher resolution output and some enhanced lighting effects as well as making some fairly minor gameplay changes, namely cutting out some of the Triforce charts and pieces to make the later part of the game less of a grind and making it easier to finish the pictograph quest when it came to some one-time encounters.
Taco_Bell-kun ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:34:32 on April 8, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Also, would Pokemon FireRed Version be considered a reboot?
nick1wasd ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:03:27 on April 8, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
So is P5R a remake or a โreimaginingโ? Also Skyrim Special Edition is less than a remaster, itโs just a graphics update, Last of Us at least had a UI cleaning and DMC:HD redid the music score
_The_Scarecrow ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:26:23 on April 8, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
not gonna lie that ff7 reboot looking fresh asf
RaygunnerRei ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:27:50 on April 8, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
I havenโt played the final fantasy seven remake yet. Itโs not that bad is it? I mean they kept the cross-dressing cloud part of the game which I was more than certain they were going to take out in current year 2020.
Atigerwithlaserbeams ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:11:56 on April 8, 2020 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah... but the problem is right there in your titlesโthe FFVII โrebootโ has deliberately branded itself as a โremake.โ