jasiad ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:51:10 on March 20, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
please leave my baby boy alone
WickCT ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 13:29:13 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
"more than just a change in enemy values" so that really gets my hopes up. One of my biggest complaints about 3 is the enemies and placement. Hopefully it's new moves or replacements
๐๏ธ Trimirlan ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 13:34:01 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, fingers crossed, they use the data after release to give us exactly what we want. Particularly hoping for Zero Attractions ability
ak2899 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 13:42:48 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Attractions were quite necessary for me in Level 1 Proud. Though, I think they should make it so that Sora can actually die. Yes, you can take damage, but I noticed Sora does not die as he retains 1HP for the whole length of the Ride or Link and gets a defense boost (something that should one-shot you does a fixed chip damage instead)
Only necessary one i mountain coaster. I level 1 proud this game and didnt use any of the attractions. Tbh it was alot of fun.
ak2899 ยท 187 points ยท Posted at 12:51:37 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
Vanilla KH2 also did not have the following:
Roxas fight in TWTNW. Yes, it was cutscene-only in Vanilla KH2!
Fight with Org XIII from Castle Oblivion (Larxene, Vexen, Zexion, Marluxia, Lexaeus),
Cavern of Remembrance and Repeatable Data fights of Org XIII
The Mushrooms XIII: Similar to KH3 Flantastic Seven
Limit Form and Dodge Roll as a growth ability. Yes, we only had Quick Run in Vanilla KH2 as a form of dodge!
Edit : 6. Crown Pieces collection: Similar to Lucky Emblems in KH3, these pieces are scattered all over the world and rewards you items after collecting. Some require growth abilities.
Edit: 7. Lingering Will (Terra) boss fight.
I am sure we will get similar content in DLC for KH3.
I watched an old kh2 speedrun and remember being very surprised at how they got explosion after the fire and ice bosses in agrabah, first visit IIRC. Now you get it after the final boss in Tron's world, which you unlock after being done with all the worlds. Thank god kh2fm reworked most of the progression, that was crazy lmao.
The โmistakesโ they made in Vanilla KH2 were exclusive to that game cuz the battle system was significantly different.
KH3 needs to be balanced in its own way because of this, and the best way to rebalance a game is to respond to and implement fixes based on criticism of the gameplay.
And if youโre talking about a dearth of content, itโs ridiculous to expect them to add a ton of extra bosses and post game shit when they were struggling with fitting just the base game on the disc (which already has more side content in the main story than any prior KH game), and rubbing up on the deadline while working on the last segments of the game.
That all sounds like a bunch of excuses to me. I know KH3 is a different game but to act like they couldn't get any ideas on what to put for post launch content from past main Final mix games doesn't make sense.
What? The post launch content is already confirmed to be like past Final Mixes. And theyโve already said theyโll be tweaking the battle system based on criticism (which theyโve done for every Final Mix).
I was talking about how people act like KH3 should have all the extra content and battle system of KH2FM on launch when itโs a significantly different game and combat in the series has always been super easy, and the game is already pretty huge in terms of content and they struggled to fit the base game on the disc.
You have 2 methods available to craft Critical Mode. Either gain player input, either by a beta or by delaying the release of said mode...or create it without said data, and hope you get it right enough that you can tweak it. KH has traditionally always done the former, and their final products(the Final Mix version of the games) stand as classics. I'm glad we can get the same effect without rebuying the game in this era of DLC.
As for post game content, well, I heard they ran into time constraints to meet their deadline. Considering the alternative to what we have is a delayed launch with no content at all I'm happy to wait provided they continue to release the extra stuff they couldn't make in time in a somewhat timely manner. So long as they don't abuse the trust invested by their consumers this will work fine.
Yes because I am sure it's impossible to get player feedback data from the previous main games and tweak it to match the new features of the new game.
Didn't know they needed new player data to tell them enemies don't hardly hit you, magic being OP (again like it is for almost every KH game), attractions commands triggering too often, or certain physical abilities Sora had in previous games now missing.
Don't take my "sarcastic asshole" as a personal attack I just get a little frustrated hearing that excuse thrown at me everytime.
Some of this stuff I'm sure was obvious to them but they wanted to cater to a new casual audience anyway.
I get it it's something they've always done but that doesn't mean they can't ever do it the second way. Which actually would be better as a game being too hard is a lot more acceptable than a game being too easy with many gamers.
Don't get me wrong I sure I'll play it and enjoy it the second time but it's very hard for me to find justification in this day and age.
You said for post-launch content a moment ago. Why would they add tons of extraneous Final Mix level content without even completing the base experience?
Uh... for KH3 yes? The game is massive and focusing on the base experience before adding extraneous stuff is more important than an optional difficulty mode that they now have time to make actually interesting instead of just a stat and aggression number swap like previous games.
They were already struggling to finish the game in time for the deadlines.
The game isn't massive imo and why wouldn't they make sure to have lots of post content day 1? This all sounds like a excuse for poor game development management.
I'm sorry but you aren't going to conceive me that was impossible for them to have meatier product day 1 no matter what you say. We just have different tolerance when it comes to this I guess.
I don't think you get that games have to release in a time frame and they only have so much time. They lost a year of that time when switching engines and had to learn the engine so obviously post game stuff was going to be left out in order to release what they felt was important to the main game. If they had extra time the stuff they are releasing as DLC probably would be there day 1.
I hope they add more Nobody and Unversed enemies tbh, would also love to see what new cutscenes they are adding besides the one explaining Xionโs return more elaborately
keimarr ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:31:47 on March 20, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Not that many people will care but the EX gummi missions were added in the Final Mix too which rewarded some new gummi blocks in return.
brand3rs ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 14:22:56 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I only had vanilla KH2, but I think the game was way better than KH3. I can only hope that content gets added to alleviate some of my problems with the game. I am afraid the story pacing will never improve though
If they are able to add a dlc world specifically for the main story and somehow fit it mid way in the story (like KH2 Radiant Garden vs 1000 heartless event) and if its a good standard, that would fix the pacing issue for me.
Because for me the beginning was great the end was great, but there wasn't enough main story content in the mid to mid-late game.
I was thinking Sora, Riku, Mickey, Axel & Kairi battle some XIII members attacking radiant garden or twilight town (to stop ansem's apprentices from helping them) and help set up later events that would easily fix a lot of the story pacing issues for me. But I really don't know how feasible or likely that is.
I was not prepared for that Roxana fight. Beating that game dozens of times as a kid prepared me for every single boss, but having never faced Roxas before absolutely wrecked me on critical. It took a good couple days worth of trying before I finally figured it out and man it was awesome.
KH2 DID at least have sephiroth and hades paradox, but both of those were ridonkulously easy compared to lingering will and most of the data org fights.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 13:28:53 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
It still had enjoyable boss fights, something KH3 lacks.
I especially enjoyed the Young Xehanort, Ansem and Xemnas boss fight, these bosses had such cool combination attacks when fighting all three of them at once
Yeah theres one with Young Xehanort trying to freeze you and then Ansem can use his dark claws that spring from the ground to hit you, or Xemnas binding you and Ansem proceeds to draw you in as he explodes an energy around himself, or Young Xehanort time stopping you and Xemnas whacks you in later with his Ethereal Blades
My problem with the bosses is 90% of them being fucking Heartless, which are just dumb to me. The only Heartless boss I liked was the wolf in Frozen.
I wish the Org fights at the end had had tease/single versions in the worlds they were in, and then the big group battles at the end. They were the best part of the game.
I loved every single boss fight in the boss gauntlet, and not a single boss fight before that. I have mixed feelings about this.
[deleted] ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 15:10:01 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
Yeah it is subjective, I just thought they were okay. The fights in the final world were some of the most disappointing battle Royale garbage I've ever witnessed in these kind of games.
Felt like they had absolutely no idea how to make those bosses good, so they just implemented some nostalgic attacks, threw them together in an arena, and called it a day.
Edit: I am sorry but you guys defending the game have rose tinted glasses on. I waited just as long as all of you guys and was met with a lackluster sequel. That was the most empty platinum I have ever obtained in a game, and nothing is going to change my feelings on it.
Rocky323 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:32:37 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I am sorry but you guys defending the game have rose tinted glasses on.
Or you have hater glasses on because you hyped it up too much. But I guess that doesn't fit your narrative, huh?
[deleted] ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 18:39:00 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
Didn't know expecting things that were present in previous games is considered "hyping up" ยฏ\_(ใ)_/ยฏ
I at least agree with you regarding these bosses, I prefer 1-on-1 fights to having six people doing crazy attacks all at once and you just press X a bunch to join in.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:46:35 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks, I've found it difficult to actually have a discussion with this game, regarding it's criticisms. I have many only because I cared so much about this games release, and after digesting everything from my platinum run, I can't help but feel they are valid.
I wanted to love this game 110% but I just cannot, I know it can be done better, and I would've been okay with waiting longer.
Final Xehanort , Darkness boss battles , Dark Inferno..
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:50:34 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Final Xehanort is acceptable, although I didn't particularly enjoy it. When the final boss of a game locks you into a 12-hit+ combo and not even a pixel of health is taken off my health bar when I'm level 40 something, that's a problem.
I was not a fan of the 13 darknesses battle.
As for Dark Inferno, again acceptable, but I thought this was a regular enemy when I came across it. I had no idea this was supposed to be the "secret boss" battle of this game. Freaking steamrolled him without even trying.
Yeah because the common Berserker Nobody & Sorceror Nobody (both common enemies that we have already fought in KH2) in KH3 has almost just as many.
They only appers as super enemies/mini bosses in the battle gates tho.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:42:02 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Right, they were common in KH2, and I came upon them first in KH3 during my traversal of the battle gates. That's why I had no idea Dark Inferno was a Superboss, I just thought it was a buffed up heartless, since they buffed up the previously common nobodies.
I went there at level 45, and he was an immovable wall of pain. Went and did all the battlegates and farmed enough to hit 80. Decided to try a rematch...never touched my items as I steamrolled him. Wasn't a matter of skill, but stats.
I bet you went into that battle with the best equips and had boosted your defense several times.
If you want a challenge from these bosses, try a level 1 run. Plenty of people out here havin fun with these bosses while you whine about things that are well within your control.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:06:16 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
No it's not. It's bad game design where I have to force myself to do a level 1 run of a game in order to get a challenge and enjoyment out of it.
Just like in KH2 you had to play in critical mode, a mode that limited your HP and made all enemies hit like a truck to get any difficulty.
None of KH games are hard and always had to limit yourself to get some difficulty. Level 1 Critical mode for KH2 is pretty popular for a reason.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:40:51 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I get you, but KH2 Critical mode is very enjoyable without the level 1 challenge.
But that is useless to talk about, base KH2 proud was enjoyable to play, not too challenging but not overwhelmingly difficult, it was a nice happy medium.
KH2 was enjoyable but was far from medium , if anything i would say KH 1 Proud was way harder.. It was easy asides from Demyx on Hollow bastion ( because his insta death water clones) and Xaldin , when you don't know about his reaction command.. When i almost beated KH2 when i was 10, o stucked on Xaldin but after that nothing was difficulty.
Vanilla KH2 didnโt have a zero exp option the devs had to account for when balancing. Try again.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:50:56 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I know it didn't. My argument is that it's an extra, not a necessity. Which is what it ended up being.
You're arguing that KH3 needs it to be enjoyable. To which my response is, "The game shouldn't need that to be enjoyable, as I consider that bad game design."
Iโm not arguing that. KH3 is enjoyable at any difficulty. YOU clearly want more difficulty. Instead of using the provided in game option to get it, you whine about how easy the game is. Youโre just here to stir shit up.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:18:28 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit man, how blind are you? I didn't need to do that in Kingdom Hearts 1, 2, Chain of Memories, Birth by Sleep, Dream Drop Distance, 0.2 Fragmentary Passage, to have an enjoyable experience with an ARPG that wasn't mindlessly easy, why do I have to force myself to be level in KH3 in order to do so?
This is why I argue that it is bad game design to force players to intentionally gimp themselves. It's asinine to do so, and just means the options implemented in the games mechanics are not all viable, and therefore not fleshed out well. Everything should be organic like KH1 & KH2's combat options. Not just spam Thundaza everywhere you go.
Holy shit man, how selfish and childish are you that you think you have to be catered to?
Grown ass man playing a children's game and is surprised it's made fairly easy unless you take an extra step. Grown ass man doesn't see how making the game beatable at any level changes the difficulty design. Grown ass man can't click a single button to get the experience he wants.
As said before, if you want this challenging experience IT'S RIGHT THERE IN THE GAME. But you wanna piss and moan that you have to tick an option to get it rather than actually doing it.
I've had this amazing challenging experience with KH3, as well as mindless fun. I have both a Level 1 and Level 99 profile. The game provides what I wanted. I was solution oriented. You're piss and moan oriented. It's clear.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:43:14 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, I apologize for going off, trying to have an actual critical discussion regarding this game is frustrating (because I wanted it to be amazing and after I settled in everything after obtaining platinum, it was a very hollow experience).
Maybe I am wrong for thinking this, but enjoyable difficulty should be a simple expectation that all gaming experiences should strive for. It needs to be organic, it needs to be engaging, across all spectrums of players, good and bad, low level or high level.
Currently by default it is not, unless you force the game to do so, by changing it's default settings. That automatically means the game is not designed around the mechanics it proposes to you. A player shouldn't need to make that choice in order to enjoy the game in it's default state. They should only do so because they want to, not because they need to. You're telling me I need to switch zero experience on because that is my only option for mimicing my previous experiences with KH games.
I have already stated that every single other entry in this series has an enjoyable experiencewithout the need to force zero exp to be on, so why in the world should I not expect that for 3? Because it's a game I've been waiting over 13 years for?
No. That's not acceptable in game design and shouldn't ever be, KH3 is not exclusive in this regard. I am simply arguing that a game should be enjoyable difficulty wise from the start, without the need of forcing myself to be level 1.
I have already stated that every single other entry in this series has an enjoyable experience without the need to force zero exp to be on, so why in the world should I not expect that for 3? Because it's a game I've been waiting over 13 years for?
Not every game had the option. Try again. Reminder: You're whining about a feature.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:37:23 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Again, that's not what I'm talking about. Those games didn't need that feature because the combat wasn't painstakingly easy.
It was implemented after 2:FM as an added bonus, because a select few hardcore players like having that as an option. It isn't mandatory, again.
Once again. Because KH3 has a lvl 1 option. That changes the difficulty scaling. You keep comparing a game that has the option to games that donโt and you wonder why youโre disappointed.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:20:02 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry but you just don't understand the topic of the conversation at hand.
If you're claiming, "the game was designed around a level 1 playthrough" then that is just simply untrue, because 90% (perhaps even higher) of KH3 Consumers don't do level 1 playthroughs.
And those 90% are casual players who donโt give a shit about how hard the game is. You seem to be in the hardcore group because youโre frothing at the mouth for a challenge, but instead of taking the challenge ALREADY PRESENT IN THE GAME, youโre sitting around moaning you have to do ONE MORE STEP to get it.
And the devs already said theyโre making a critical mode and youโre still sitting around trashing the game cause you didnโt get catered to the first time around. Entitled spoiled gamers.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:00:17 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
It's not entitlement, it's a perfectly valid reason for criticism when the issue was never prevalent before, I have factual evidence of that, and find it lacking in a game where I spent my own hard earned money to purchase.
Stop trying to normalize a valid criticism for the game. I am absolutely in 100% agreement with that it is a fantastic step forward that it's included in the game by default, but my difference lies in that it shouldn't be necessary for the enjoyment of regular playthrough.
Except those games arenโt built with it in mind. What a shit comparison. Do you even know what the dialog box says when you tick Zero Exp?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:28:43 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Of course I do, so if we are going to use your argument, why would KH3 allow you to level past 1 if it was, "designed" with it in mind? You're completely overlooking the fact that the game is just easy, period...
Yes you can. And Iโm not going to explain to you why because there are obvious reasons you choose not to see so you can have a lane to shit on the game.
KeenHyd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:46:47 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Roxas fight in TWTNW. Yes, it was cutscene-only in Vanilla KH2!
I remember playing vanilla KH2 last year (omg I've been a KH fan for more than a year time flies) and getting very confused as a friend of mine warned me about the dreaded Roxas fight.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:01:56 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I see people mention "X KH game didn't have this, this, or this originally" but I don't get how that's a good excuse. Excuse may not be the correct word to use but this is like the eighth game in the series and is the grand conclusion to the xehanort saga. I don't get why Final Mix type stuff couldn't be in the game from the start.
ak2899 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:23:30 on March 20, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
If it is all in the main game, how would they be able to charge you more than the standard $60 via DLC? The FM in the past were re-releases and people actually had to buy the game again thus Square managed to sell about $120 per person to Japanese fans. (numbers are made up, but hope you get the point)
Games are getting more and more expensive to make with realistic graphics and 60fps. I don't know if they can keep making games like this for only $60.
If Critical mode gives us some sweet abilities to start the game with, then I am all for it. Honestly speaking, the 10-ish abilities you start with in KH2FM Critical mode is the only reason I bother with it; TWO!? (in Axel voice) Lucky Lucky's right from the start? Yes please!
I'm actually really excited for critical mode. I feel like I can now play the game like it was meant to be played. Was going to start a level 1 proud mode run last night but I'll wait for this :D Hope it doesn't take too long to release.
I actually did start a level 1 proud mode kingdom key only run last night. I think I'll still complete it, just to compare it to Critical mode's difficulty. So far it doesn't seem that bad.
I heard the news about this mode a while ago. Luckily I had a backlog of games and only got to the first external world. I thought the game was way too easy so i am just going to restart the game and play on critical. So glad I have a backlog of games that I could wait for this mode haha
randi77 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:39:45 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Just gold crowned kh2fm crit mode. I am very, very, very keen on the crit mode update. (I just hope there's some semblance of an extra boss fight with it.... who am I kidding, gotta wait for the final mix dlc for that.)
Hopefully this very soon is before June. Summer work keeps me busy
Cikess ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:13:04 on March 20, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I'm super keen for this game mode but I can see myself just jumping straight into another lvl 1 run on it as soon as it drops. I hope they don't arbitrarily take abilities away like in 0.2
You mean a proud mode cause this games proud mode was no proud mode. I had more difficulty when I replayed every game on standard during my KH3 prep than I did with KH3 on proud mode.
I have problem with people keep teeling "BUT vanilla KH2 did not include X or Y".
Cmon guys they had a whole decade.
I think it's because you are to kind with studio they offer us average content nowadays.
That aside, adding critical mode this quick IS a nice move from them !
๐๏ธ Trimirlan ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 15:54:48 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, when they released KH2, they already did the whole KH1 Final Mix thing, so they could have added critical mode then too. So in terms of bad habits, I'm happy they decided to move away from full re-release a year later, to DLC method. Hopefully they'll take our feedback into account and make the game into a legend it should be.
ak2899 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:20:06 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
KH1FM Proud was signifantly harder than Vanilla KH1 Proud. I think in FM Proud, the damage factor was increased from x4 to x6 and experience received was reduced from x1.00 to x0.75. So, in a way they did add a harder version to the existing Proud mode in 1FM.
I still get chills thinking about Guard Armor fight on Traverse Town.
soraownz ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:12:58 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
But Vanilla KH2 still was a clear improvement over KHFM, even with less superbosses. The game felt like a true Sequel, instead of a recovery after 17 steps back. KH3 is the definite best game of the โexpanded universeโ after the original Triology, but thats like saying Revenge of the Sith is the best Star Wars prequel.
KazuFL ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:37:59 on March 20, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
They didn't have a "whole decade" they had 5 years, a couple of which were spent restarting development from scratch. In reality, they had about the same amount of time to work on KH3 as they did KH2. And KH3's FM content will likely be out in relatively shorter time than KH2FM. Especially if you count the fact that KH2FM took 8 years to be brought west...
No one is being too kind. A lot of people are being way unreasonable though.
They didn't have a whole decade, they had 5 years. At least one or more of those years was re-done because they switched from the garbage Luminous engine (FFXV's engine) to the much, much better Unreal engine. Not to mention, look at how much visual and external content was packaged into this game! We would be waiting until 2020 for it to have all the features the critical people on this sub want.
I know you may think it's fair to look at KH2FM's features and say, "they did that back then. Why can't they do it now?" But it's kind of not.
Here's why.
Kh2FM's worlds, comparatively, are tiny, fast, and empty. With the exception of TWTNW, Twilight Town, and Radiant Garden, you can blaze through every world in MINUTES. There are few technical environmental details. That did not change in the Final Mix. Not only that, but you spend at least half of the game grinding experience for drive forms and summons just so you can have maximum mobility (especially for endgame). Not to mention all the grinding that's recommended for you to do to synthesize items for the endgame fights.
KH3 took time to fill the worlds with details, interactive surfaces, and tried to make them look as full of life as possible (except for Arendelle which I will get into later). That kind of development cannot be compared to KH2FM.
Now, if you're complaining about the existing parts we got, like Arendelle and (lack of) twilight town, that's fair. The development on Arendelle should have been used on Radiant Garden, but Frozen was a major cash grab. Additionally, the development on like 3-4 of the islands for pirates could have definitely been put instead towards finishing the rest of Twilight Town. That's my opinion personally.
TL; DR: consider all the factors before you spew out "but muh 10 years of development"
Excellent. Thank god I waited before I bought it. Kh2 on critical mode was a fkn fun experience and I wanted my 1st play through of kh3 to be critical.
DDrift ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:12:17 on March 20, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I hope that it is really more technical rather than spammy
Not sure if it was asked/answered earlier, but when Critical Mode comes out, will we need to beat the game before it unlocks? Or will it just be there available from the start? Or no idea at this point?
After I replayed the whole series last year KH2 is def the worst one imo. People say the Disney worlds here served no purpose well neither did the ones in KH2, I'd argue they were even more pointless in KH2. You were able to outright skip Tron if you wanted to in KH2.
It was decent but I was expecting just tad bit more content. I did want and expect a final mix but I was bit disappointed in what the base game came with.
I think we have a great foundation with wonderful visuals and combat. And I'm so eager to test out the new content as well as the new critical mode that's supposed to be here "very soon".
Besides the lack of a great secret boss, difficulty was my biggest complaint
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TheRealRaiden ยท 191 points ยท Posted at 15:47:40 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Plot twist: It's exactly the same as Proud Mode, but occasionally Sora will drop a random racial slur during combat.
superc2j ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 16:27:10 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Corona isn't for Nobodies like you.
sonicjamareiz ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 17:47:31 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
Sora: C'mon Donald and Goofy lets destroy these n*****!
Shadow: O_O
Dusk: :O
LagiaDOS ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:04:15 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
"And we'll round up all of these dirty nig-!"
"Okay, you need to chill!"
Kereminde ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:16:57 on March 20, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
"Yes Arendelle, we have come to save you . . . from yourselves!"
"Oh no, it's Sora, Donald, and Goofy." (Ding)
KLPlex ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:58:40 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
LMFAO the shadow heartless?. r/lmGoingToHellForThis
BarefootSquadron84 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 21:45:18 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
A Firaga gaming moment.
STranCovers ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 17:31:24 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
And Song of the South gets added as a world
andrea_g_amato_art ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:14:22 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
โHey, I think thatโs piece of Olafโ
โHey, I think I donโt give a kupo about that carrot-nosed ice creamโ
โGawrsh, I think I saw a lucky emblemโ
โAnd why donโt you fill me in on its whereabouts you piece of shield?โ
โThis might be a good spot to find some ingredientsโ
โReally Donald? Chinese food leftovers? What the quack is wrong with youโฝโ
Gotta love a passive-aggressive Sora.
SoraForBestBoy ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:26:43 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, I believe you
jasiad ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:51:10 on March 20, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
please leave my baby boy alone
WickCT ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 13:29:13 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
"more than just a change in enemy values" so that really gets my hopes up. One of my biggest complaints about 3 is the enemies and placement. Hopefully it's new moves or replacements
๐๏ธ Trimirlan ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 13:34:01 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, fingers crossed, they use the data after release to give us exactly what we want. Particularly hoping for Zero Attractions ability
ak2899 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 13:42:48 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Attractions were quite necessary for me in Level 1 Proud. Though, I think they should make it so that Sora can actually die. Yes, you can take damage, but I noticed Sora does not die as he retains 1HP for the whole length of the Ride or Link and gets a defense boost (something that should one-shot you does a fixed chip damage instead)
DrakoPlays ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:29 on March 20, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Only necessary one i mountain coaster. I level 1 proud this game and didnt use any of the attractions. Tbh it was alot of fun.
ak2899 ยท 187 points ยท Posted at 12:51:37 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
Vanilla KH2 also did not have the following:
Edit : 6. Crown Pieces collection: Similar to Lucky Emblems in KH3, these pieces are scattered all over the world and rewards you items after collecting. Some require growth abilities.
Edit: 7. Lingering Will (Terra) boss fight.
I am sure we will get similar content in DLC for KH3.
Ultimakey ยท 77 points ยท Posted at 13:02:35 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Lingering Will!
SoraForBestBoy ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 15:39:18 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
It would be so cool to play as the Lingering Will during the Keyblade Graveyard
SoraForBestBoy ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 16:05:37 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Oh and in Rexโs words โI would like Yozora as a boss!โ
bobguy117 ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 14:01:31 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Also the sticker album
Gestrid ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:12:03 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Puzzle pieces, but yes.
Sticker album was BBS Final Mix, not KH2.
WickCT ยท 57 points ยท Posted at 13:25:52 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
If I'm not mistaken, 2FM also had some small changes, balancing stuff. It brought a lot of extra content and I think a lot of people forget that
SoraForBestBoy ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 15:40:22 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm certainly looking forward to the extra content and balances to KH3, I would love post game content and nice replay value
dishonoredbr ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 16:09:27 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
They added some abilities too and move some powerful abilities like Explosion to later to the game.
In KH2 vanilla it you got explosion on the first visit of Hollow Bastion , in 2FM you get on Agrabah , second visit IIRC.
quick1ez ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:39:34 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I watched an old kh2 speedrun and remember being very surprised at how they got explosion after the fire and ice bosses in agrabah, first visit IIRC. Now you get it after the final boss in Tron's world, which you unlock after being done with all the worlds. Thank god kh2fm reworked most of the progression, that was crazy lmao.
dishonoredbr ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:06:46 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Explosion is super overpowered that early. You melt thought enemies lol And yeah , thankfully they made much harder to get.
wallabywrangler ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:41:55 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs definitely not in hollow bastion in either version. Kh2 was from first visit to agrabah, 2fm was from second visit to space paranoids
dishonoredbr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:03:00 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, your right.. For some reason when i remember about explosion , hollow bastion is the first thing that come to my mind.
Lucinastar ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 18:42:24 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of people didn't forget it we just expected them to actually learn from their mistakes for once since it has been 13 years.
TheFox333 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:02:53 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
โLearn from their mistakesโ
The โmistakesโ they made in Vanilla KH2 were exclusive to that game cuz the battle system was significantly different.
KH3 needs to be balanced in its own way because of this, and the best way to rebalance a game is to respond to and implement fixes based on criticism of the gameplay.
And if youโre talking about a dearth of content, itโs ridiculous to expect them to add a ton of extra bosses and post game shit when they were struggling with fitting just the base game on the disc (which already has more side content in the main story than any prior KH game), and rubbing up on the deadline while working on the last segments of the game.
LagomorphicEntity ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:55:51 on March 20, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
But why don't they just release all the content and all the extra content for free the day they announce it. Lazy developers.
Edit: Nope. Couldn't even say it ironically without throwing up in my mouth a little.
Lucinastar ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 19:11:58 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
That all sounds like a bunch of excuses to me. I know KH3 is a different game but to act like they couldn't get any ideas on what to put for post launch content from past main Final mix games doesn't make sense.
TheFox333 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:15:33 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
What? The post launch content is already confirmed to be like past Final Mixes. And theyโve already said theyโll be tweaking the battle system based on criticism (which theyโve done for every Final Mix).
I was talking about how people act like KH3 should have all the extra content and battle system of KH2FM on launch when itโs a significantly different game and combat in the series has always been super easy, and the game is already pretty huge in terms of content and they struggled to fit the base game on the disc.
Lucinastar ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:16:28 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I know what you were talking about and my point still stands.
TheFox333 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:16:42 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Uh what even is your point?
Lucinastar ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:21:43 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
That they could've look at what they added for past final mixes and get ideas on what should be on the base game KH3.
Or are actually telling me that a game having it's hardest difficulty in the base game day 1 is impossible?
Unjustifier ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:30:49 on March 20, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
You have 2 methods available to craft Critical Mode. Either gain player input, either by a beta or by delaying the release of said mode...or create it without said data, and hope you get it right enough that you can tweak it. KH has traditionally always done the former, and their final products(the Final Mix version of the games) stand as classics. I'm glad we can get the same effect without rebuying the game in this era of DLC.
As for post game content, well, I heard they ran into time constraints to meet their deadline. Considering the alternative to what we have is a delayed launch with no content at all I'm happy to wait provided they continue to release the extra stuff they couldn't make in time in a somewhat timely manner. So long as they don't abuse the trust invested by their consumers this will work fine.
Lucinastar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:57:57 on March 20, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Yes because I am sure it's impossible to get player feedback data from the previous main games and tweak it to match the new features of the new game.
Didn't know they needed new player data to tell them enemies don't hardly hit you, magic being OP (again like it is for almost every KH game), attractions commands triggering too often, or certain physical abilities Sora had in previous games now missing.
Don't take my "sarcastic asshole" as a personal attack I just get a little frustrated hearing that excuse thrown at me everytime.
Some of this stuff I'm sure was obvious to them but they wanted to cater to a new casual audience anyway.
I get it it's something they've always done but that doesn't mean they can't ever do it the second way. Which actually would be better as a game being too hard is a lot more acceptable than a game being too easy with many gamers.
Don't get me wrong I sure I'll play it and enjoy it the second time but it's very hard for me to find justification in this day and age.
TheFox333 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:24:28 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
You said for post-launch content a moment ago. Why would they add tons of extraneous Final Mix level content without even completing the base experience?
Uh... for KH3 yes? The game is massive and focusing on the base experience before adding extraneous stuff is more important than an optional difficulty mode that they now have time to make actually interesting instead of just a stat and aggression number swap like previous games.
They were already struggling to finish the game in time for the deadlines.
Lucinastar ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:29:47 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I did and my point still stands.
The game isn't massive imo and why wouldn't they make sure to have lots of post content day 1? This all sounds like a excuse for poor game development management.
I'm sorry but you aren't going to conceive me that was impossible for them to have meatier product day 1 no matter what you say. We just have different tolerance when it comes to this I guess.
QuasarDGames ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:58:49 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think you get that games have to release in a time frame and they only have so much time. They lost a year of that time when switching engines and had to learn the engine so obviously post game stuff was going to be left out in order to release what they felt was important to the main game. If they had extra time the stuff they are releasing as DLC probably would be there day 1.
Lucinastar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:05:20 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
No I definitely get it, hence why I said it's poor game development management.
QuasarDGames ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:52:09 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Ah okay my bad, yea that's just a square problem. If they started on UE4 I think we would have more post content
SoraForBestBoy ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:50:34 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I hope they add more Nobody and Unversed enemies tbh, would also love to see what new cutscenes they are adding besides the one explaining Xionโs return more elaborately
keimarr ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:31:47 on March 20, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I'll take KH2 Vanilla over KH3 Vanilla.
ShardofTruth ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:43:44 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Not that many people will care but the EX gummi missions were added in the Final Mix too which rewarded some new gummi blocks in return.
brand3rs ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 14:22:56 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I only had vanilla KH2, but I think the game was way better than KH3. I can only hope that content gets added to alleviate some of my problems with the game. I am afraid the story pacing will never improve though
Malaphice ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:53:28 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
If they are able to add a dlc world specifically for the main story and somehow fit it mid way in the story (like KH2 Radiant Garden vs 1000 heartless event) and if its a good standard, that would fix the pacing issue for me.
Because for me the beginning was great the end was great, but there wasn't enough main story content in the mid to mid-late game.
I was thinking Sora, Riku, Mickey, Axel & Kairi battle some XIII members attacking radiant garden or twilight town (to stop ansem's apprentices from helping them) and help set up later events that would easily fix a lot of the story pacing issues for me. But I really don't know how feasible or likely that is.
P00nz0r3d ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:47:59 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I was not prepared for that Roxana fight. Beating that game dozens of times as a kid prepared me for every single boss, but having never faced Roxas before absolutely wrecked me on critical. It took a good couple days worth of trying before I finally figured it out and man it was awesome.
rice_bledsoe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:22:51 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
KH2 DID at least have sephiroth and hades paradox, but both of those were ridonkulously easy compared to lingering will and most of the data org fights.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 13:28:53 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
It still had enjoyable boss fights, something KH3 lacks.
Chrifofer ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 14:39:30 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Thatโs just personal opinion though. I loved almost every boss in the game
SoraForBestBoy ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 15:41:38 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I especially enjoyed the Young Xehanort, Ansem and Xemnas boss fight, these bosses had such cool combination attacks when fighting all three of them at once
Daisuke322 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:07:59 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
they had combintion attacks? of i gotta refight them and fully enjoy the fight,snce i stomped them too easily
SoraForBestBoy ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:12:17 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
Yeah theres one with Young Xehanort trying to freeze you and then Ansem can use his dark claws that spring from the ground to hit you, or Xemnas binding you and Ansem proceeds to draw you in as he explodes an energy around himself, or Young Xehanort time stopping you and Xemnas whacks you in later with his Ethereal Blades
dishonoredbr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:19:47 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
No no. Xemnas do a somersault in your face then whacks you with his ethereal blades.
Daisuke322 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:48 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
oh ok. i only got hit with those indivvidual attacks
MindWeb125 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:25:06 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
My problem with the bosses is 90% of them being fucking Heartless, which are just dumb to me. The only Heartless boss I liked was the wolf in Frozen.
I wish the Org fights at the end had had tease/single versions in the worlds they were in, and then the big group battles at the end. They were the best part of the game.
Unjustifier ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:36:34 on March 20, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Data org existed in KH2FM. I would be downright shocked if we don't get something similar.
MeteorPhoenix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:52:22 on March 22, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I loved every single boss fight in the boss gauntlet, and not a single boss fight before that. I have mixed feelings about this.
[deleted] ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 15:10:01 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
Yeah it is subjective, I just thought they were okay. The fights in the final world were some of the most disappointing battle Royale garbage I've ever witnessed in these kind of games.
Felt like they had absolutely no idea how to make those bosses good, so they just implemented some nostalgic attacks, threw them together in an arena, and called it a day.
Edit: I am sorry but you guys defending the game have rose tinted glasses on. I waited just as long as all of you guys and was met with a lackluster sequel. That was the most empty platinum I have ever obtained in a game, and nothing is going to change my feelings on it.
Rocky323 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:32:37 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Or you have hater glasses on because you hyped it up too much. But I guess that doesn't fit your narrative, huh?
[deleted] ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 18:39:00 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
Didn't know expecting things that were present in previous games is considered "hyping up" ยฏ\_(ใ)_/ยฏ
ChielArael ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:40:15 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I at least agree with you regarding these bosses, I prefer 1-on-1 fights to having six people doing crazy attacks all at once and you just press X a bunch to join in.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:46:35 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks, I've found it difficult to actually have a discussion with this game, regarding it's criticisms. I have many only because I cared so much about this games release, and after digesting everything from my platinum run, I can't help but feel they are valid.
I wanted to love this game 110% but I just cannot, I know it can be done better, and I would've been okay with waiting longer.
dishonoredbr ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:11:17 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Final Xehanort , Darkness boss battles , Dark Inferno..
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:50:34 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Final Xehanort is acceptable, although I didn't particularly enjoy it. When the final boss of a game locks you into a 12-hit+ combo and not even a pixel of health is taken off my health bar when I'm level 40 something, that's a problem.
I was not a fan of the 13 darknesses battle.
As for Dark Inferno, again acceptable, but I thought this was a regular enemy when I came across it. I had no idea this was supposed to be the "secret boss" battle of this game. Freaking steamrolled him without even trying.
TheCheeseOfYesterday ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:23:16 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
You thought something with that many health bars was a normal enemy?
[deleted] ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 18:05:31 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
Yeah because the common Berserker Nobody & Sorceror Nobody (both common enemies that we have already fought in KH2) in KH3 has almost just as many.
Sorry for basing my expectations on previous factual history.
Edit: I literally do not comprehend why I am downvoted for stating a fact.
dishonoredbr ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:27:03 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
They only appers as super enemies/mini bosses in the battle gates tho.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:42:02 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Right, they were common in KH2, and I came upon them first in KH3 during my traversal of the battle gates. That's why I had no idea Dark Inferno was a Superboss, I just thought it was a buffed up heartless, since they buffed up the previously common nobodies.
Unjustifier ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:38:58 on March 20, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I went there at level 45, and he was an immovable wall of pain. Went and did all the battlegates and farmed enough to hit 80. Decided to try a rematch...never touched my items as I steamrolled him. Wasn't a matter of skill, but stats.
I fear what the Critical version of him will be.
KH3DefenseForce ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:55:16 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, thatโs a feature.
I bet you went into that battle with the best equips and had boosted your defense several times.
If you want a challenge from these bosses, try a level 1 run. Plenty of people out here havin fun with these bosses while you whine about things that are well within your control.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:06:16 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
No it's not. It's bad game design where I have to force myself to do a level 1 run of a game in order to get a challenge and enjoyment out of it.
dishonoredbr ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:33:39 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Just like in KH2 you had to play in critical mode, a mode that limited your HP and made all enemies hit like a truck to get any difficulty.
None of KH games are hard and always had to limit yourself to get some difficulty. Level 1 Critical mode for KH2 is pretty popular for a reason.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:40:51 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I get you, but KH2 Critical mode is very enjoyable without the level 1 challenge.
But that is useless to talk about, base KH2 proud was enjoyable to play, not too challenging but not overwhelmingly difficult, it was a nice happy medium.
dishonoredbr ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:01:31 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
KH2 was enjoyable but was far from medium , if anything i would say KH 1 Proud was way harder.. It was easy asides from Demyx on Hollow bastion ( because his insta death water clones) and Xaldin , when you don't know about his reaction command.. When i almost beated KH2 when i was 10, o stucked on Xaldin but after that nothing was difficulty.
rice_bledsoe ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:26:22 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Kh2fm critical is like slowly conquering your bully. Kh1fm proud is that bully punching your balls every 10 minutes.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:02:20 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I agree wholeheartedly. KH1 still kicks my ass to this day on Proud if I'm not paying attention to what I'm doing.
KH3DefenseForce ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 18:44:51 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Vanilla KH2 didnโt have a zero exp option the devs had to account for when balancing. Try again.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:50:56 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I know it didn't. My argument is that it's an extra, not a necessity. Which is what it ended up being.
You're arguing that KH3 needs it to be enjoyable. To which my response is, "The game shouldn't need that to be enjoyable, as I consider that bad game design."
dishonoredbr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:03:04 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
The game is enjoyable but rn it's too easy. Just like any KH game is generaly stupidly easy outside of Critical.
KH3DefenseForce ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:07:40 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm not arguing that. KH3 is enjoyable at any difficulty. YOU clearly want more difficulty. Instead of using the provided in game option to get it, you whine about how easy the game is. Youโre just here to stir shit up.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:18:28 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit man, how blind are you? I didn't need to do that in Kingdom Hearts 1, 2, Chain of Memories, Birth by Sleep, Dream Drop Distance, 0.2 Fragmentary Passage, to have an enjoyable experience with an ARPG that wasn't mindlessly easy, why do I have to force myself to be level in KH3 in order to do so?
This is why I argue that it is bad game design to force players to intentionally gimp themselves. It's asinine to do so, and just means the options implemented in the games mechanics are not all viable, and therefore not fleshed out well. Everything should be organic like KH1 & KH2's combat options. Not just spam Thundaza everywhere you go.
KH3DefenseForce ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:26:50 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit man, how selfish and childish are you that you think you have to be catered to?
Grown ass man playing a children's game and is surprised it's made fairly easy unless you take an extra step. Grown ass man doesn't see how making the game beatable at any level changes the difficulty design. Grown ass man can't click a single button to get the experience he wants.
As said before, if you want this challenging experience IT'S RIGHT THERE IN THE GAME. But you wanna piss and moan that you have to tick an option to get it rather than actually doing it.
I've had this amazing challenging experience with KH3, as well as mindless fun. I have both a Level 1 and Level 99 profile. The game provides what I wanted. I was solution oriented. You're piss and moan oriented. It's clear.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:43:14 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, I apologize for going off, trying to have an actual critical discussion regarding this game is frustrating (because I wanted it to be amazing and after I settled in everything after obtaining platinum, it was a very hollow experience).
Maybe I am wrong for thinking this, but enjoyable difficulty should be a simple expectation that all gaming experiences should strive for. It needs to be organic, it needs to be engaging, across all spectrums of players, good and bad, low level or high level.
Currently by default it is not, unless you force the game to do so, by changing it's default settings. That automatically means the game is not designed around the mechanics it proposes to you. A player shouldn't need to make that choice in order to enjoy the game in it's default state. They should only do so because they want to, not because they need to. You're telling me I need to switch zero experience on because that is my only option for mimicing my previous experiences with KH games.
I have already stated that every single other entry in this series has an enjoyable experience without the need to force zero exp to be on, so why in the world should I not expect that for 3? Because it's a game I've been waiting over 13 years for?
No. That's not acceptable in game design and shouldn't ever be, KH3 is not exclusive in this regard. I am simply arguing that a game should be enjoyable difficulty wise from the start, without the need of forcing myself to be level 1.
KH3DefenseForce ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:32:53 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Not every game had the option. Try again. Reminder: You're whining about a feature.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:37:23 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Again, that's not what I'm talking about. Those games didn't need that feature because the combat wasn't painstakingly easy.
It was implemented after 2:FM as an added bonus, because a select few hardcore players like having that as an option. It isn't mandatory, again.
KH3DefenseForce ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:03:44 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Once again. Because KH3 has a lvl 1 option. That changes the difficulty scaling. You keep comparing a game that has the option to games that donโt and you wonder why youโre disappointed.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:20:02 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry but you just don't understand the topic of the conversation at hand.
If you're claiming, "the game was designed around a level 1 playthrough" then that is just simply untrue, because 90% (perhaps even higher) of KH3 Consumers don't do level 1 playthroughs.
KH3DefenseForce ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:37:23 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
And those 90% are casual players who donโt give a shit about how hard the game is. You seem to be in the hardcore group because youโre frothing at the mouth for a challenge, but instead of taking the challenge ALREADY PRESENT IN THE GAME, youโre sitting around moaning you have to do ONE MORE STEP to get it.
And the devs already said theyโre making a critical mode and youโre still sitting around trashing the game cause you didnโt get catered to the first time around. Entitled spoiled gamers.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:00:17 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
It's not entitlement, it's a perfectly valid reason for criticism when the issue was never prevalent before, I have factual evidence of that, and find it lacking in a game where I spent my own hard earned money to purchase.
Stop trying to normalize a valid criticism for the game. I am absolutely in 100% agreement with that it is a fantastic step forward that it's included in the game by default, but my difference lies in that it shouldn't be necessary for the enjoyment of regular playthrough.
KH3DefenseForce ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:02:28 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Thereโs no issue. If you want a challenge. You have an option. If you donโt want to use it. The only person to criticize is yourself.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:05:56 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Cool, I am sure you feel the same way about any other game with leveling, such as any online COD game, any Souls game, any RPG game ever made.
"Oh don't enjoy the game? Try playing the game at level 1 only for a challenge!"
KH3DefenseForce ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:24:28 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Except those games arenโt built with it in mind. What a shit comparison. Do you even know what the dialog box says when you tick Zero Exp?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:28:43 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Of course I do, so if we are going to use your argument, why would KH3 allow you to level past 1 if it was, "designed" with it in mind? You're completely overlooking the fact that the game is just easy, period...
KH3DefenseForce ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:46:34 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
This is how I know youโre trolling.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:06:20 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly not man.
If the game is designed for level 1, then by the same logic, there's no reason to level past level 1.
You can't claim one or the other here.
KH3DefenseForce ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:16:27 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Yes you can. And Iโm not going to explain to you why because there are obvious reasons you choose not to see so you can have a lane to shit on the game.
rmunoz1994 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:07:02 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I just want the base combos in kh3 to have more variety and feel quicker. That was the most disappointing thing for me. It didnโt feel right.
fuckshitasstitsmfer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:14 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
The FM DLC is separate from critical patch, fyi
KeenHyd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:46:47 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I remember playing vanilla KH2 last year (omg I've been a KH fan for more than a year time flies) and getting very confused as a friend of mine warned me about the dreaded Roxas fight.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:01:56 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Mushroom XIII as well
ImRedditNow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:00:26 on March 21, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Also, new keyblades. Winners Proof and Two Become One.
And lots of new abilities too!
hiimnewhere123 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:42:15 on March 20, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I see people mention "X KH game didn't have this, this, or this originally" but I don't get how that's a good excuse. Excuse may not be the correct word to use but this is like the eighth game in the series and is the grand conclusion to the xehanort saga. I don't get why Final Mix type stuff couldn't be in the game from the start.
ak2899 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:23:30 on March 20, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
If it is all in the main game, how would they be able to charge you more than the standard $60 via DLC? The FM in the past were re-releases and people actually had to buy the game again thus Square managed to sell about $120 per person to Japanese fans. (numbers are made up, but hope you get the point) Games are getting more and more expensive to make with realistic graphics and 60fps. I don't know if they can keep making games like this for only $60.
ReactorCritical ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 13:58:41 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
And to think that my PS4 Pro just died from a lightning strike WITH my copy of KH3 in it.
I really hope Sony gets my system (and my game) back to me quickly.
DormantDragon28 ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 14:45:32 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Larxene is such a bitch...
SoraForBestBoy ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 16:28:00 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
โYou donโt need your garbage systemโ -Larxene, probably
Unjustifier ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:46:10 on March 20, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Thundaza
hiimnewhere123 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:43:32 on March 20, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't there a manual eject for situations like that?
RachelTheIvysaur ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:58:22 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
If Critical mode gives us some sweet abilities to start the game with, then I am all for it. Honestly speaking, the 10-ish abilities you start with in KH2FM Critical mode is the only reason I bother with it; TWO!? (in Axel voice) Lucky Lucky's right from the start? Yes please!
Dannymayn ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 12:25:58 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I'm actually really excited for critical mode. I feel like I can now play the game like it was meant to be played. Was going to start a level 1 proud mode run last night but I'll wait for this :D Hope it doesn't take too long to release.
SoraForBestBoy ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 15:54:08 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Especially when this Critical Mode isnโt just stat squishes, Iโm looking forward to the balanced difficulty fun
TheRealRaiden ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:45:57 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I actually did start a level 1 proud mode kingdom key only run last night. I think I'll still complete it, just to compare it to Critical mode's difficulty. So far it doesn't seem that bad.
DrakoPlays ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:45:34 on March 20, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Ensure you use food mid to late. Or else you deal chip damage. Ariel is busted for that one really long fight (you will know when you get to it)
StormKing00 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:58:13 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Wish they would put in new game+
PfeiferWolf ยท 66 points ยท Posted at 11:30:14 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
Or to buy a rerelease of the game like in KH2
Yes, Vanilla KH2 also didn't have Critical
shadowhawk720 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 12:27:20 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I heard the news about this mode a while ago. Luckily I had a backlog of games and only got to the first external world. I thought the game was way too easy so i am just going to restart the game and play on critical. So glad I have a backlog of games that I could wait for this mode haha
randi77 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:39:45 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
People already knew that.
zookletanz ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 12:41:43 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
RAAWRRR DOWNVOTE THE FACTS -this subreddit
Too_Young_For_This ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 15:01:14 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
It's the second highest voted comment in this thread calm down
zookletanz ยท -37 points ยท Posted at 15:12:37 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Lmao it had -6 when I looked this morning. "My bad"? Shit changed. You calm down!!!!
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:24:11 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
You sound like such a child..
zookletanz ยท -33 points ยท Posted at 15:30:10 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
It's called sarcasm you ape.
rice_bledsoe ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:21:11 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Just gold crowned kh2fm crit mode. I am very, very, very keen on the crit mode update. (I just hope there's some semblance of an extra boss fight with it.... who am I kidding, gotta wait for the final mix dlc for that.)
VeiledWaifu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:26:56 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Hopefully this very soon is before June. Summer work keeps me busy
Cikess ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:13:04 on March 20, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I'm super keen for this game mode but I can see myself just jumping straight into another lvl 1 run on it as soon as it drops. I hope they don't arbitrarily take abilities away like in 0.2
Sunshine145 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:39:56 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
You mean a proud mode cause this games proud mode was no proud mode. I had more difficulty when I replayed every game on standard during my KH3 prep than I did with KH3 on proud mode.
Kujotaro ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:44:19 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I have problem with people keep teeling "BUT vanilla KH2 did not include X or Y".
Cmon guys they had a whole decade.
I think it's because you are to kind with studio they offer us average content nowadays.
That aside, adding critical mode this quick IS a nice move from them !
๐๏ธ Trimirlan ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 15:54:48 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, when they released KH2, they already did the whole KH1 Final Mix thing, so they could have added critical mode then too. So in terms of bad habits, I'm happy they decided to move away from full re-release a year later, to DLC method. Hopefully they'll take our feedback into account and make the game into a legend it should be.
AwesomeTheMighty ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:12:51 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Critical Mode wasn't actually released until KH2FM. I agree though, I'm glad they're not making us wait years just to purchase the game again.
Lego3400 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:47:08 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
KH1 didn't have critical in any version.
ak2899 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:20:06 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
KH1FM Proud was signifantly harder than Vanilla KH1 Proud. I think in FM Proud, the damage factor was increased from x4 to x6 and experience received was reduced from x1.00 to x0.75. So, in a way they did add a harder version to the existing Proud mode in 1FM. I still get chills thinking about Guard Armor fight on Traverse Town.
Lego3400 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:26:12 on March 20, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Vanilla KH didn't HAVE A proud IIRC
conflagads ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:23:12 on March 20, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Expert mode was the Proud Equivalent
soraownz ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:12:58 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
But Vanilla KH2 still was a clear improvement over KHFM, even with less superbosses. The game felt like a true Sequel, instead of a recovery after 17 steps back. KH3 is the definite best game of the โexpanded universeโ after the original Triology, but thats like saying Revenge of the Sith is the best Star Wars prequel.
KazuFL ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:37:59 on March 20, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
The game wasnt being made for a decade tho
MikeandMelly ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:36:18 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
They didn't have a "whole decade" they had 5 years, a couple of which were spent restarting development from scratch. In reality, they had about the same amount of time to work on KH3 as they did KH2. And KH3's FM content will likely be out in relatively shorter time than KH2FM. Especially if you count the fact that KH2FM took 8 years to be brought west...
No one is being too kind. A lot of people are being way unreasonable though.
rice_bledsoe ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:35:45 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
They didn't have a whole decade, they had 5 years. At least one or more of those years was re-done because they switched from the garbage Luminous engine (FFXV's engine) to the much, much better Unreal engine. Not to mention, look at how much visual and external content was packaged into this game! We would be waiting until 2020 for it to have all the features the critical people on this sub want.
I know you may think it's fair to look at KH2FM's features and say, "they did that back then. Why can't they do it now?" But it's kind of not.
Here's why.
Kh2FM's worlds, comparatively, are tiny, fast, and empty. With the exception of TWTNW, Twilight Town, and Radiant Garden, you can blaze through every world in MINUTES. There are few technical environmental details. That did not change in the Final Mix. Not only that, but you spend at least half of the game grinding experience for drive forms and summons just so you can have maximum mobility (especially for endgame). Not to mention all the grinding that's recommended for you to do to synthesize items for the endgame fights.
KH3 took time to fill the worlds with details, interactive surfaces, and tried to make them look as full of life as possible (except for Arendelle which I will get into later). That kind of development cannot be compared to KH2FM.
Now, if you're complaining about the existing parts we got, like Arendelle and (lack of) twilight town, that's fair. The development on Arendelle should have been used on Radiant Garden, but Frozen was a major cash grab. Additionally, the development on like 3-4 of the islands for pirates could have definitely been put instead towards finishing the rest of Twilight Town. That's my opinion personally.
TL; DR: consider all the factors before you spew out "but muh 10 years of development"
hiimnewhere123 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:45:52 on March 20, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you...
FFFan15 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:44:06 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
even though I doubt they would do this but would be if they added some new trophies for critical mode
Slash12771 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:12:06 on March 20, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Awesome. Hopefully he adds NG+ too.
mysexyrexy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:37:02 on March 20, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Excellent. Thank god I waited before I bought it. Kh2 on critical mode was a fkn fun experience and I wanted my 1st play through of kh3 to be critical.
DDrift ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:12:17 on March 20, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I hope that it is really more technical rather than spammy
Xansaibot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:24:09 on March 20, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
At this point, i would rather hear some news about upcoming DLC content than critical mode.
Or even better - news about future games!
Sludge_McDermit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:58:08 on March 25, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure if it was asked/answered earlier, but when Critical Mode comes out, will we need to beat the game before it unlocks? Or will it just be there available from the start? Or no idea at this point?
hpatel0392 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:16:08 on March 20, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
So they are upping the savage meter on donald, woody and laxrene? I'm down.
VicarLos ยท -16 points ยท Posted at 16:15:51 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Will it have a better game because this was not worth the wait.
Vitor190 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:17:36 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Ow the edge.
VicarLos ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 17:45:24 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, me stating I disliked the game is edgy and unique.
Lucinastar ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 18:46:17 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Lol people on this sub are such blind fanboys.
SomeColombianDude ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:42:00 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Nah we just enjoyed a game you didn't. Simple as that.
Lucinastar ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 20:44:49 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I did enjoy it but I am not going to ignore it's flaws and give it high praise.
SomeColombianDude ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:49:01 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
It was a flawed, but great game. Better than vanilla KH 2 for sure. But I guess to each their own.
It's just frustrating when people come to the sub, usually full of positivity, just to bash on the game. It's pointless and unwanted
Sunshine145 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 22:43:23 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
After I replayed the whole series last year KH2 is def the worst one imo. People say the Disney worlds here served no purpose well neither did the ones in KH2, I'd argue they were even more pointless in KH2. You were able to outright skip Tron if you wanted to in KH2.
Lucinastar ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 21:03:55 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
It was decent but I was expecting just tad bit more content. I did want and expect a final mix but I was bit disappointed in what the base game came with.
SomeColombianDude ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:11:57 on March 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I think we have a great foundation with wonderful visuals and combat. And I'm so eager to test out the new content as well as the new critical mode that's supposed to be here "very soon".
Besides the lack of a great secret boss, difficulty was my biggest complaint